{"post_id":"kj9kkm","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My boss canceled our holiday break because I asked when a good time would be to take my vacation days, feeling down about my chances of having a career in our (small, incestuous) field I'm a metallurgical engineer at a forensic engineering firm in Canada. I've been in the doghouse since July since my boss, the business owner, found out that I was working 8+ hours\/day but not always taking my full (unpaid) lunch hour and leaving early. My coworkers all work varying hours and it was stressed to me that flexibility was normal and expected, but what I was doing was apparently a huge trespass on my boss's generosity and taking advantage of him. I am paid a salary.  This month I asked when a good time would be to take my remaining vacation days and didn't hear back, and we got busy anyway. As the month drew down and it looked like we were going to close over christmas\/new years anyway, I asked if I should request for my vacation days to be held over since there wouldn't be an opportunity to take them. My boss called me into a meeting this week with the other engineers where he announced that he'd changed company policy to forbid holding over vacation days and had cancelled the holiday break, so anyone with remaining vacation days could use them next week. The technicians don't get vacation days and are required to come in.  He told everyone about my nefarious scheme to get extra holidays by holding over my vacation time to next year, and that was taking advantage of him and was damaging to the business, because who would cover in terms of cash and manpower if he was forced to allow employees to take vacation time that had... already been allocated...  The good news is that I got a recording (Canada is one-party consent) that's now on multiple cloud services of him describing how he didn't plan on following our province's employment laws regarding vacation time, and stating that canceling winter break was to retaliate against me for requesting the vacation time offered to me in my employee contract, but in the end I'm feeling really down about this.  Trying to work here has been a drain on my sanity and health, and I've been looking for other employment basically since about 6 months in, but the recruiter calls dried up with COVID. I'm thinking of an interview I had with another forensic engineering firm where they said that their engineers had to handle 20+ active investigations, and that they knew my boss, and I just feel defeated.   I've got a massive industrial investigation going right now and a handful of insurance ones, and the workload is so heavy. I do my own labwork and my boss yells at me if I pass too much to the technicians. I read more papers every few months than I did for my whole masters. We've skirted COVID restrictions so I've still been in the office every day. I have no short term memory and took on 3 prescriptions to try to control all my stress-related illnesses.  How can I manage 20 files and take on full responsibility for the conclusions instead of filtering it through my boss? He shows me all the bad forensic reports that he tears to shreds and tells me about other young engineers who were run out of the industry, and how bad it is at other firms. Yeah, he's doing that to control me, but maybe that is how it is.  Everybody seems to know everybody in this field, and my boss will just tell all his contacts how I screwed him over unfairly. I want to solve these forensic mysteries and help clients, but that might mean letting my boss do what he wants, because I need the experience and references. I'm going to go for a consultation with an employment lawyer, but I'm discouraged because the legal remedy may be at best a small financial payout + getting blacklisted in the industry.  I also keep trying to compose something to send my boss to try to keep the peace until he finally fires me, but it keeps turning into \"hey taintmonger, vacation time per year is guaranteed by law and not something you get to bestow on or snatch away from your employees\".  This a \"woe is me\" post but I'm looking for some perspective from other engineers, which might be \"STFU at least you have a job right now\". I applied to about 170 to get this one, which is my second job out of grad school. I have a masters and a 3.9 GPA, but I feel like that meme image of Boromir shot with three arrows. What do, askengineers, what do?","c_root_id_A":"ggvjzia","c_root_id_B":"ggvhvu4","created_at_utc_A":1608789883,"created_at_utc_B":1608788288,"score_A":634,"score_B":355,"human_ref_A":"The other firms know your firm and your boss.  So?  I know plenty of people at competitors in my industry.  They are *competitors*.  They don't work for your boss.  In fact, if they can gracefully fuck over your boss, that works in their favor.  In other words... Gee, they hire you.  They get someone already familiar with the industry AND they fuck over the competition.  What's not to like?  And anytime someone tells you that \"it's terrible over there\" as a way to keep you?  Odds are that they're lying their ass off.  If it really was terrible their reaction would more likely be, \"Sure, go over there for a few months.  You'll be back.\"","human_ref_B":"Ok.   You are a highly educated professional.   A person with limited education and little training can become stuck in a job they can\u2019t get out of.  But you don\u2019t fit that description.    If your job is that bad, get out.  If your recruiter is not finding you good opportunities, find another recruiter.  There is zero reason to stick with only one recruiter, especially if that individual is. It getting you opportunities.    The best thing about education is that it gives you options. Recommend you broaden your search both geographically, and which positions you consider.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1595.0,"score_ratio":1.785915493}
{"post_id":"kj9kkm","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My boss canceled our holiday break because I asked when a good time would be to take my vacation days, feeling down about my chances of having a career in our (small, incestuous) field I'm a metallurgical engineer at a forensic engineering firm in Canada. I've been in the doghouse since July since my boss, the business owner, found out that I was working 8+ hours\/day but not always taking my full (unpaid) lunch hour and leaving early. My coworkers all work varying hours and it was stressed to me that flexibility was normal and expected, but what I was doing was apparently a huge trespass on my boss's generosity and taking advantage of him. I am paid a salary.  This month I asked when a good time would be to take my remaining vacation days and didn't hear back, and we got busy anyway. As the month drew down and it looked like we were going to close over christmas\/new years anyway, I asked if I should request for my vacation days to be held over since there wouldn't be an opportunity to take them. My boss called me into a meeting this week with the other engineers where he announced that he'd changed company policy to forbid holding over vacation days and had cancelled the holiday break, so anyone with remaining vacation days could use them next week. The technicians don't get vacation days and are required to come in.  He told everyone about my nefarious scheme to get extra holidays by holding over my vacation time to next year, and that was taking advantage of him and was damaging to the business, because who would cover in terms of cash and manpower if he was forced to allow employees to take vacation time that had... already been allocated...  The good news is that I got a recording (Canada is one-party consent) that's now on multiple cloud services of him describing how he didn't plan on following our province's employment laws regarding vacation time, and stating that canceling winter break was to retaliate against me for requesting the vacation time offered to me in my employee contract, but in the end I'm feeling really down about this.  Trying to work here has been a drain on my sanity and health, and I've been looking for other employment basically since about 6 months in, but the recruiter calls dried up with COVID. I'm thinking of an interview I had with another forensic engineering firm where they said that their engineers had to handle 20+ active investigations, and that they knew my boss, and I just feel defeated.   I've got a massive industrial investigation going right now and a handful of insurance ones, and the workload is so heavy. I do my own labwork and my boss yells at me if I pass too much to the technicians. I read more papers every few months than I did for my whole masters. We've skirted COVID restrictions so I've still been in the office every day. I have no short term memory and took on 3 prescriptions to try to control all my stress-related illnesses.  How can I manage 20 files and take on full responsibility for the conclusions instead of filtering it through my boss? He shows me all the bad forensic reports that he tears to shreds and tells me about other young engineers who were run out of the industry, and how bad it is at other firms. Yeah, he's doing that to control me, but maybe that is how it is.  Everybody seems to know everybody in this field, and my boss will just tell all his contacts how I screwed him over unfairly. I want to solve these forensic mysteries and help clients, but that might mean letting my boss do what he wants, because I need the experience and references. I'm going to go for a consultation with an employment lawyer, but I'm discouraged because the legal remedy may be at best a small financial payout + getting blacklisted in the industry.  I also keep trying to compose something to send my boss to try to keep the peace until he finally fires me, but it keeps turning into \"hey taintmonger, vacation time per year is guaranteed by law and not something you get to bestow on or snatch away from your employees\".  This a \"woe is me\" post but I'm looking for some perspective from other engineers, which might be \"STFU at least you have a job right now\". I applied to about 170 to get this one, which is my second job out of grad school. I have a masters and a 3.9 GPA, but I feel like that meme image of Boromir shot with three arrows. What do, askengineers, what do?","c_root_id_A":"ggvjzia","c_root_id_B":"ggvjqkn","created_at_utc_A":1608789883,"created_at_utc_B":1608789692,"score_A":634,"score_B":56,"human_ref_A":"The other firms know your firm and your boss.  So?  I know plenty of people at competitors in my industry.  They are *competitors*.  They don't work for your boss.  In fact, if they can gracefully fuck over your boss, that works in their favor.  In other words... Gee, they hire you.  They get someone already familiar with the industry AND they fuck over the competition.  What's not to like?  And anytime someone tells you that \"it's terrible over there\" as a way to keep you?  Odds are that they're lying their ass off.  If it really was terrible their reaction would more likely be, \"Sure, go over there for a few months.  You'll be back.\"","human_ref_B":"Your boss is terrible and it sucks that he feels like he has soo much power over all those poor people. I would find a way out ASAP","labels":1,"seconds_difference":191.0,"score_ratio":11.3214285714}
{"post_id":"kj9kkm","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My boss canceled our holiday break because I asked when a good time would be to take my vacation days, feeling down about my chances of having a career in our (small, incestuous) field I'm a metallurgical engineer at a forensic engineering firm in Canada. I've been in the doghouse since July since my boss, the business owner, found out that I was working 8+ hours\/day but not always taking my full (unpaid) lunch hour and leaving early. My coworkers all work varying hours and it was stressed to me that flexibility was normal and expected, but what I was doing was apparently a huge trespass on my boss's generosity and taking advantage of him. I am paid a salary.  This month I asked when a good time would be to take my remaining vacation days and didn't hear back, and we got busy anyway. As the month drew down and it looked like we were going to close over christmas\/new years anyway, I asked if I should request for my vacation days to be held over since there wouldn't be an opportunity to take them. My boss called me into a meeting this week with the other engineers where he announced that he'd changed company policy to forbid holding over vacation days and had cancelled the holiday break, so anyone with remaining vacation days could use them next week. The technicians don't get vacation days and are required to come in.  He told everyone about my nefarious scheme to get extra holidays by holding over my vacation time to next year, and that was taking advantage of him and was damaging to the business, because who would cover in terms of cash and manpower if he was forced to allow employees to take vacation time that had... already been allocated...  The good news is that I got a recording (Canada is one-party consent) that's now on multiple cloud services of him describing how he didn't plan on following our province's employment laws regarding vacation time, and stating that canceling winter break was to retaliate against me for requesting the vacation time offered to me in my employee contract, but in the end I'm feeling really down about this.  Trying to work here has been a drain on my sanity and health, and I've been looking for other employment basically since about 6 months in, but the recruiter calls dried up with COVID. I'm thinking of an interview I had with another forensic engineering firm where they said that their engineers had to handle 20+ active investigations, and that they knew my boss, and I just feel defeated.   I've got a massive industrial investigation going right now and a handful of insurance ones, and the workload is so heavy. I do my own labwork and my boss yells at me if I pass too much to the technicians. I read more papers every few months than I did for my whole masters. We've skirted COVID restrictions so I've still been in the office every day. I have no short term memory and took on 3 prescriptions to try to control all my stress-related illnesses.  How can I manage 20 files and take on full responsibility for the conclusions instead of filtering it through my boss? He shows me all the bad forensic reports that he tears to shreds and tells me about other young engineers who were run out of the industry, and how bad it is at other firms. Yeah, he's doing that to control me, but maybe that is how it is.  Everybody seems to know everybody in this field, and my boss will just tell all his contacts how I screwed him over unfairly. I want to solve these forensic mysteries and help clients, but that might mean letting my boss do what he wants, because I need the experience and references. I'm going to go for a consultation with an employment lawyer, but I'm discouraged because the legal remedy may be at best a small financial payout + getting blacklisted in the industry.  I also keep trying to compose something to send my boss to try to keep the peace until he finally fires me, but it keeps turning into \"hey taintmonger, vacation time per year is guaranteed by law and not something you get to bestow on or snatch away from your employees\".  This a \"woe is me\" post but I'm looking for some perspective from other engineers, which might be \"STFU at least you have a job right now\". I applied to about 170 to get this one, which is my second job out of grad school. I have a masters and a 3.9 GPA, but I feel like that meme image of Boromir shot with three arrows. What do, askengineers, what do?","c_root_id_A":"ggvjyz0","c_root_id_B":"ggvjzia","created_at_utc_A":1608789872,"created_at_utc_B":1608789883,"score_A":23,"score_B":634,"human_ref_A":"If you have that recording you should feel obligated to report him so that he doesn't abuse the rights of present\/future employees. He doesn't deserve a  management position and should be reprimanded appropriately for his actions. Don't worry too much about finding another job just yet. You can't be reprised against for \"whistle blowing.\" Start with your company's HR department.","human_ref_B":"The other firms know your firm and your boss.  So?  I know plenty of people at competitors in my industry.  They are *competitors*.  They don't work for your boss.  In fact, if they can gracefully fuck over your boss, that works in their favor.  In other words... Gee, they hire you.  They get someone already familiar with the industry AND they fuck over the competition.  What's not to like?  And anytime someone tells you that \"it's terrible over there\" as a way to keep you?  Odds are that they're lying their ass off.  If it really was terrible their reaction would more likely be, \"Sure, go over there for a few months.  You'll be back.\"","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11.0,"score_ratio":27.5652173913}
{"post_id":"kj9kkm","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My boss canceled our holiday break because I asked when a good time would be to take my vacation days, feeling down about my chances of having a career in our (small, incestuous) field I'm a metallurgical engineer at a forensic engineering firm in Canada. I've been in the doghouse since July since my boss, the business owner, found out that I was working 8+ hours\/day but not always taking my full (unpaid) lunch hour and leaving early. My coworkers all work varying hours and it was stressed to me that flexibility was normal and expected, but what I was doing was apparently a huge trespass on my boss's generosity and taking advantage of him. I am paid a salary.  This month I asked when a good time would be to take my remaining vacation days and didn't hear back, and we got busy anyway. As the month drew down and it looked like we were going to close over christmas\/new years anyway, I asked if I should request for my vacation days to be held over since there wouldn't be an opportunity to take them. My boss called me into a meeting this week with the other engineers where he announced that he'd changed company policy to forbid holding over vacation days and had cancelled the holiday break, so anyone with remaining vacation days could use them next week. The technicians don't get vacation days and are required to come in.  He told everyone about my nefarious scheme to get extra holidays by holding over my vacation time to next year, and that was taking advantage of him and was damaging to the business, because who would cover in terms of cash and manpower if he was forced to allow employees to take vacation time that had... already been allocated...  The good news is that I got a recording (Canada is one-party consent) that's now on multiple cloud services of him describing how he didn't plan on following our province's employment laws regarding vacation time, and stating that canceling winter break was to retaliate against me for requesting the vacation time offered to me in my employee contract, but in the end I'm feeling really down about this.  Trying to work here has been a drain on my sanity and health, and I've been looking for other employment basically since about 6 months in, but the recruiter calls dried up with COVID. I'm thinking of an interview I had with another forensic engineering firm where they said that their engineers had to handle 20+ active investigations, and that they knew my boss, and I just feel defeated.   I've got a massive industrial investigation going right now and a handful of insurance ones, and the workload is so heavy. I do my own labwork and my boss yells at me if I pass too much to the technicians. I read more papers every few months than I did for my whole masters. We've skirted COVID restrictions so I've still been in the office every day. I have no short term memory and took on 3 prescriptions to try to control all my stress-related illnesses.  How can I manage 20 files and take on full responsibility for the conclusions instead of filtering it through my boss? He shows me all the bad forensic reports that he tears to shreds and tells me about other young engineers who were run out of the industry, and how bad it is at other firms. Yeah, he's doing that to control me, but maybe that is how it is.  Everybody seems to know everybody in this field, and my boss will just tell all his contacts how I screwed him over unfairly. I want to solve these forensic mysteries and help clients, but that might mean letting my boss do what he wants, because I need the experience and references. I'm going to go for a consultation with an employment lawyer, but I'm discouraged because the legal remedy may be at best a small financial payout + getting blacklisted in the industry.  I also keep trying to compose something to send my boss to try to keep the peace until he finally fires me, but it keeps turning into \"hey taintmonger, vacation time per year is guaranteed by law and not something you get to bestow on or snatch away from your employees\".  This a \"woe is me\" post but I'm looking for some perspective from other engineers, which might be \"STFU at least you have a job right now\". I applied to about 170 to get this one, which is my second job out of grad school. I have a masters and a 3.9 GPA, but I feel like that meme image of Boromir shot with three arrows. What do, askengineers, what do?","c_root_id_A":"ggvpdfk","c_root_id_B":"ggvjqkn","created_at_utc_A":1608794602,"created_at_utc_B":1608789692,"score_A":136,"score_B":56,"human_ref_A":"Yo, find a new job.  Your boss is an asshole, and if your field is as \"incestuous\" as you make it out to be, then this is probably a well-known fact.  Besides, any place that would listen to this toxic asshole's bullshit and deny you a job is probably just as toxic and horrible a workplace.","human_ref_B":"Your boss is terrible and it sucks that he feels like he has soo much power over all those poor people. I would find a way out ASAP","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4910.0,"score_ratio":2.4285714286}
{"post_id":"kj9kkm","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My boss canceled our holiday break because I asked when a good time would be to take my vacation days, feeling down about my chances of having a career in our (small, incestuous) field I'm a metallurgical engineer at a forensic engineering firm in Canada. I've been in the doghouse since July since my boss, the business owner, found out that I was working 8+ hours\/day but not always taking my full (unpaid) lunch hour and leaving early. My coworkers all work varying hours and it was stressed to me that flexibility was normal and expected, but what I was doing was apparently a huge trespass on my boss's generosity and taking advantage of him. I am paid a salary.  This month I asked when a good time would be to take my remaining vacation days and didn't hear back, and we got busy anyway. As the month drew down and it looked like we were going to close over christmas\/new years anyway, I asked if I should request for my vacation days to be held over since there wouldn't be an opportunity to take them. My boss called me into a meeting this week with the other engineers where he announced that he'd changed company policy to forbid holding over vacation days and had cancelled the holiday break, so anyone with remaining vacation days could use them next week. The technicians don't get vacation days and are required to come in.  He told everyone about my nefarious scheme to get extra holidays by holding over my vacation time to next year, and that was taking advantage of him and was damaging to the business, because who would cover in terms of cash and manpower if he was forced to allow employees to take vacation time that had... already been allocated...  The good news is that I got a recording (Canada is one-party consent) that's now on multiple cloud services of him describing how he didn't plan on following our province's employment laws regarding vacation time, and stating that canceling winter break was to retaliate against me for requesting the vacation time offered to me in my employee contract, but in the end I'm feeling really down about this.  Trying to work here has been a drain on my sanity and health, and I've been looking for other employment basically since about 6 months in, but the recruiter calls dried up with COVID. I'm thinking of an interview I had with another forensic engineering firm where they said that their engineers had to handle 20+ active investigations, and that they knew my boss, and I just feel defeated.   I've got a massive industrial investigation going right now and a handful of insurance ones, and the workload is so heavy. I do my own labwork and my boss yells at me if I pass too much to the technicians. I read more papers every few months than I did for my whole masters. We've skirted COVID restrictions so I've still been in the office every day. I have no short term memory and took on 3 prescriptions to try to control all my stress-related illnesses.  How can I manage 20 files and take on full responsibility for the conclusions instead of filtering it through my boss? He shows me all the bad forensic reports that he tears to shreds and tells me about other young engineers who were run out of the industry, and how bad it is at other firms. Yeah, he's doing that to control me, but maybe that is how it is.  Everybody seems to know everybody in this field, and my boss will just tell all his contacts how I screwed him over unfairly. I want to solve these forensic mysteries and help clients, but that might mean letting my boss do what he wants, because I need the experience and references. I'm going to go for a consultation with an employment lawyer, but I'm discouraged because the legal remedy may be at best a small financial payout + getting blacklisted in the industry.  I also keep trying to compose something to send my boss to try to keep the peace until he finally fires me, but it keeps turning into \"hey taintmonger, vacation time per year is guaranteed by law and not something you get to bestow on or snatch away from your employees\".  This a \"woe is me\" post but I'm looking for some perspective from other engineers, which might be \"STFU at least you have a job right now\". I applied to about 170 to get this one, which is my second job out of grad school. I have a masters and a 3.9 GPA, but I feel like that meme image of Boromir shot with three arrows. What do, askengineers, what do?","c_root_id_A":"ggvjyz0","c_root_id_B":"ggvpdfk","created_at_utc_A":1608789872,"created_at_utc_B":1608794602,"score_A":23,"score_B":136,"human_ref_A":"If you have that recording you should feel obligated to report him so that he doesn't abuse the rights of present\/future employees. He doesn't deserve a  management position and should be reprimanded appropriately for his actions. Don't worry too much about finding another job just yet. You can't be reprised against for \"whistle blowing.\" Start with your company's HR department.","human_ref_B":"Yo, find a new job.  Your boss is an asshole, and if your field is as \"incestuous\" as you make it out to be, then this is probably a well-known fact.  Besides, any place that would listen to this toxic asshole's bullshit and deny you a job is probably just as toxic and horrible a workplace.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4730.0,"score_ratio":5.9130434783}
{"post_id":"kj9kkm","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My boss canceled our holiday break because I asked when a good time would be to take my vacation days, feeling down about my chances of having a career in our (small, incestuous) field I'm a metallurgical engineer at a forensic engineering firm in Canada. I've been in the doghouse since July since my boss, the business owner, found out that I was working 8+ hours\/day but not always taking my full (unpaid) lunch hour and leaving early. My coworkers all work varying hours and it was stressed to me that flexibility was normal and expected, but what I was doing was apparently a huge trespass on my boss's generosity and taking advantage of him. I am paid a salary.  This month I asked when a good time would be to take my remaining vacation days and didn't hear back, and we got busy anyway. As the month drew down and it looked like we were going to close over christmas\/new years anyway, I asked if I should request for my vacation days to be held over since there wouldn't be an opportunity to take them. My boss called me into a meeting this week with the other engineers where he announced that he'd changed company policy to forbid holding over vacation days and had cancelled the holiday break, so anyone with remaining vacation days could use them next week. The technicians don't get vacation days and are required to come in.  He told everyone about my nefarious scheme to get extra holidays by holding over my vacation time to next year, and that was taking advantage of him and was damaging to the business, because who would cover in terms of cash and manpower if he was forced to allow employees to take vacation time that had... already been allocated...  The good news is that I got a recording (Canada is one-party consent) that's now on multiple cloud services of him describing how he didn't plan on following our province's employment laws regarding vacation time, and stating that canceling winter break was to retaliate against me for requesting the vacation time offered to me in my employee contract, but in the end I'm feeling really down about this.  Trying to work here has been a drain on my sanity and health, and I've been looking for other employment basically since about 6 months in, but the recruiter calls dried up with COVID. I'm thinking of an interview I had with another forensic engineering firm where they said that their engineers had to handle 20+ active investigations, and that they knew my boss, and I just feel defeated.   I've got a massive industrial investigation going right now and a handful of insurance ones, and the workload is so heavy. I do my own labwork and my boss yells at me if I pass too much to the technicians. I read more papers every few months than I did for my whole masters. We've skirted COVID restrictions so I've still been in the office every day. I have no short term memory and took on 3 prescriptions to try to control all my stress-related illnesses.  How can I manage 20 files and take on full responsibility for the conclusions instead of filtering it through my boss? He shows me all the bad forensic reports that he tears to shreds and tells me about other young engineers who were run out of the industry, and how bad it is at other firms. Yeah, he's doing that to control me, but maybe that is how it is.  Everybody seems to know everybody in this field, and my boss will just tell all his contacts how I screwed him over unfairly. I want to solve these forensic mysteries and help clients, but that might mean letting my boss do what he wants, because I need the experience and references. I'm going to go for a consultation with an employment lawyer, but I'm discouraged because the legal remedy may be at best a small financial payout + getting blacklisted in the industry.  I also keep trying to compose something to send my boss to try to keep the peace until he finally fires me, but it keeps turning into \"hey taintmonger, vacation time per year is guaranteed by law and not something you get to bestow on or snatch away from your employees\".  This a \"woe is me\" post but I'm looking for some perspective from other engineers, which might be \"STFU at least you have a job right now\". I applied to about 170 to get this one, which is my second job out of grad school. I have a masters and a 3.9 GPA, but I feel like that meme image of Boromir shot with three arrows. What do, askengineers, what do?","c_root_id_A":"ggvpdfk","c_root_id_B":"ggvmlzg","created_at_utc_A":1608794602,"created_at_utc_B":1608792076,"score_A":136,"score_B":23,"human_ref_A":"Yo, find a new job.  Your boss is an asshole, and if your field is as \"incestuous\" as you make it out to be, then this is probably a well-known fact.  Besides, any place that would listen to this toxic asshole's bullshit and deny you a job is probably just as toxic and horrible a workplace.","human_ref_B":"I would recommend finding a new job yourself.  ​  Search terms I would recommend Googling are \"Indeed job metallurgical engineer\", or the same with Glassdoor instead of Indeed.  Then fire off resumes everyday to any of these jobs within commuting distance.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2526.0,"score_ratio":5.9130434783}
{"post_id":"kj9kkm","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My boss canceled our holiday break because I asked when a good time would be to take my vacation days, feeling down about my chances of having a career in our (small, incestuous) field I'm a metallurgical engineer at a forensic engineering firm in Canada. I've been in the doghouse since July since my boss, the business owner, found out that I was working 8+ hours\/day but not always taking my full (unpaid) lunch hour and leaving early. My coworkers all work varying hours and it was stressed to me that flexibility was normal and expected, but what I was doing was apparently a huge trespass on my boss's generosity and taking advantage of him. I am paid a salary.  This month I asked when a good time would be to take my remaining vacation days and didn't hear back, and we got busy anyway. As the month drew down and it looked like we were going to close over christmas\/new years anyway, I asked if I should request for my vacation days to be held over since there wouldn't be an opportunity to take them. My boss called me into a meeting this week with the other engineers where he announced that he'd changed company policy to forbid holding over vacation days and had cancelled the holiday break, so anyone with remaining vacation days could use them next week. The technicians don't get vacation days and are required to come in.  He told everyone about my nefarious scheme to get extra holidays by holding over my vacation time to next year, and that was taking advantage of him and was damaging to the business, because who would cover in terms of cash and manpower if he was forced to allow employees to take vacation time that had... already been allocated...  The good news is that I got a recording (Canada is one-party consent) that's now on multiple cloud services of him describing how he didn't plan on following our province's employment laws regarding vacation time, and stating that canceling winter break was to retaliate against me for requesting the vacation time offered to me in my employee contract, but in the end I'm feeling really down about this.  Trying to work here has been a drain on my sanity and health, and I've been looking for other employment basically since about 6 months in, but the recruiter calls dried up with COVID. I'm thinking of an interview I had with another forensic engineering firm where they said that their engineers had to handle 20+ active investigations, and that they knew my boss, and I just feel defeated.   I've got a massive industrial investigation going right now and a handful of insurance ones, and the workload is so heavy. I do my own labwork and my boss yells at me if I pass too much to the technicians. I read more papers every few months than I did for my whole masters. We've skirted COVID restrictions so I've still been in the office every day. I have no short term memory and took on 3 prescriptions to try to control all my stress-related illnesses.  How can I manage 20 files and take on full responsibility for the conclusions instead of filtering it through my boss? He shows me all the bad forensic reports that he tears to shreds and tells me about other young engineers who were run out of the industry, and how bad it is at other firms. Yeah, he's doing that to control me, but maybe that is how it is.  Everybody seems to know everybody in this field, and my boss will just tell all his contacts how I screwed him over unfairly. I want to solve these forensic mysteries and help clients, but that might mean letting my boss do what he wants, because I need the experience and references. I'm going to go for a consultation with an employment lawyer, but I'm discouraged because the legal remedy may be at best a small financial payout + getting blacklisted in the industry.  I also keep trying to compose something to send my boss to try to keep the peace until he finally fires me, but it keeps turning into \"hey taintmonger, vacation time per year is guaranteed by law and not something you get to bestow on or snatch away from your employees\".  This a \"woe is me\" post but I'm looking for some perspective from other engineers, which might be \"STFU at least you have a job right now\". I applied to about 170 to get this one, which is my second job out of grad school. I have a masters and a 3.9 GPA, but I feel like that meme image of Boromir shot with three arrows. What do, askengineers, what do?","c_root_id_A":"ggvldwl","c_root_id_B":"ggvpdfk","created_at_utc_A":1608791019,"created_at_utc_B":1608794602,"score_A":9,"score_B":136,"human_ref_A":"I hope they don\u2019t make you do your sample prep because that is just a waste of time if you have technicians. Honestly if you can stand it stay the course and update your resume and look for something else. Then turn him in once you have something lined up. Mining seems to be doing ok have you looked that way?","human_ref_B":"Yo, find a new job.  Your boss is an asshole, and if your field is as \"incestuous\" as you make it out to be, then this is probably a well-known fact.  Besides, any place that would listen to this toxic asshole's bullshit and deny you a job is probably just as toxic and horrible a workplace.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3583.0,"score_ratio":15.1111111111}
{"post_id":"kj9kkm","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My boss canceled our holiday break because I asked when a good time would be to take my vacation days, feeling down about my chances of having a career in our (small, incestuous) field I'm a metallurgical engineer at a forensic engineering firm in Canada. I've been in the doghouse since July since my boss, the business owner, found out that I was working 8+ hours\/day but not always taking my full (unpaid) lunch hour and leaving early. My coworkers all work varying hours and it was stressed to me that flexibility was normal and expected, but what I was doing was apparently a huge trespass on my boss's generosity and taking advantage of him. I am paid a salary.  This month I asked when a good time would be to take my remaining vacation days and didn't hear back, and we got busy anyway. As the month drew down and it looked like we were going to close over christmas\/new years anyway, I asked if I should request for my vacation days to be held over since there wouldn't be an opportunity to take them. My boss called me into a meeting this week with the other engineers where he announced that he'd changed company policy to forbid holding over vacation days and had cancelled the holiday break, so anyone with remaining vacation days could use them next week. The technicians don't get vacation days and are required to come in.  He told everyone about my nefarious scheme to get extra holidays by holding over my vacation time to next year, and that was taking advantage of him and was damaging to the business, because who would cover in terms of cash and manpower if he was forced to allow employees to take vacation time that had... already been allocated...  The good news is that I got a recording (Canada is one-party consent) that's now on multiple cloud services of him describing how he didn't plan on following our province's employment laws regarding vacation time, and stating that canceling winter break was to retaliate against me for requesting the vacation time offered to me in my employee contract, but in the end I'm feeling really down about this.  Trying to work here has been a drain on my sanity and health, and I've been looking for other employment basically since about 6 months in, but the recruiter calls dried up with COVID. I'm thinking of an interview I had with another forensic engineering firm where they said that their engineers had to handle 20+ active investigations, and that they knew my boss, and I just feel defeated.   I've got a massive industrial investigation going right now and a handful of insurance ones, and the workload is so heavy. I do my own labwork and my boss yells at me if I pass too much to the technicians. I read more papers every few months than I did for my whole masters. We've skirted COVID restrictions so I've still been in the office every day. I have no short term memory and took on 3 prescriptions to try to control all my stress-related illnesses.  How can I manage 20 files and take on full responsibility for the conclusions instead of filtering it through my boss? He shows me all the bad forensic reports that he tears to shreds and tells me about other young engineers who were run out of the industry, and how bad it is at other firms. Yeah, he's doing that to control me, but maybe that is how it is.  Everybody seems to know everybody in this field, and my boss will just tell all his contacts how I screwed him over unfairly. I want to solve these forensic mysteries and help clients, but that might mean letting my boss do what he wants, because I need the experience and references. I'm going to go for a consultation with an employment lawyer, but I'm discouraged because the legal remedy may be at best a small financial payout + getting blacklisted in the industry.  I also keep trying to compose something to send my boss to try to keep the peace until he finally fires me, but it keeps turning into \"hey taintmonger, vacation time per year is guaranteed by law and not something you get to bestow on or snatch away from your employees\".  This a \"woe is me\" post but I'm looking for some perspective from other engineers, which might be \"STFU at least you have a job right now\". I applied to about 170 to get this one, which is my second job out of grad school. I have a masters and a 3.9 GPA, but I feel like that meme image of Boromir shot with three arrows. What do, askengineers, what do?","c_root_id_A":"ggvpdfk","c_root_id_B":"ggvmc5x","created_at_utc_A":1608794602,"created_at_utc_B":1608791840,"score_A":136,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Yo, find a new job.  Your boss is an asshole, and if your field is as \"incestuous\" as you make it out to be, then this is probably a well-known fact.  Besides, any place that would listen to this toxic asshole's bullshit and deny you a job is probably just as toxic and horrible a workplace.","human_ref_B":"Have you considered changing field to a less stressful one with more job opportunities and less nepotism?  Also, you should've spoken out at that meeting and said in front of everyone that you weren't getting extra leave, you were getting the hours already allocated. It's important to get the other employees on your side so you can unite against a bad boss.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2762.0,"score_ratio":15.1111111111}
{"post_id":"kj9kkm","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My boss canceled our holiday break because I asked when a good time would be to take my vacation days, feeling down about my chances of having a career in our (small, incestuous) field I'm a metallurgical engineer at a forensic engineering firm in Canada. I've been in the doghouse since July since my boss, the business owner, found out that I was working 8+ hours\/day but not always taking my full (unpaid) lunch hour and leaving early. My coworkers all work varying hours and it was stressed to me that flexibility was normal and expected, but what I was doing was apparently a huge trespass on my boss's generosity and taking advantage of him. I am paid a salary.  This month I asked when a good time would be to take my remaining vacation days and didn't hear back, and we got busy anyway. As the month drew down and it looked like we were going to close over christmas\/new years anyway, I asked if I should request for my vacation days to be held over since there wouldn't be an opportunity to take them. My boss called me into a meeting this week with the other engineers where he announced that he'd changed company policy to forbid holding over vacation days and had cancelled the holiday break, so anyone with remaining vacation days could use them next week. The technicians don't get vacation days and are required to come in.  He told everyone about my nefarious scheme to get extra holidays by holding over my vacation time to next year, and that was taking advantage of him and was damaging to the business, because who would cover in terms of cash and manpower if he was forced to allow employees to take vacation time that had... already been allocated...  The good news is that I got a recording (Canada is one-party consent) that's now on multiple cloud services of him describing how he didn't plan on following our province's employment laws regarding vacation time, and stating that canceling winter break was to retaliate against me for requesting the vacation time offered to me in my employee contract, but in the end I'm feeling really down about this.  Trying to work here has been a drain on my sanity and health, and I've been looking for other employment basically since about 6 months in, but the recruiter calls dried up with COVID. I'm thinking of an interview I had with another forensic engineering firm where they said that their engineers had to handle 20+ active investigations, and that they knew my boss, and I just feel defeated.   I've got a massive industrial investigation going right now and a handful of insurance ones, and the workload is so heavy. I do my own labwork and my boss yells at me if I pass too much to the technicians. I read more papers every few months than I did for my whole masters. We've skirted COVID restrictions so I've still been in the office every day. I have no short term memory and took on 3 prescriptions to try to control all my stress-related illnesses.  How can I manage 20 files and take on full responsibility for the conclusions instead of filtering it through my boss? He shows me all the bad forensic reports that he tears to shreds and tells me about other young engineers who were run out of the industry, and how bad it is at other firms. Yeah, he's doing that to control me, but maybe that is how it is.  Everybody seems to know everybody in this field, and my boss will just tell all his contacts how I screwed him over unfairly. I want to solve these forensic mysteries and help clients, but that might mean letting my boss do what he wants, because I need the experience and references. I'm going to go for a consultation with an employment lawyer, but I'm discouraged because the legal remedy may be at best a small financial payout + getting blacklisted in the industry.  I also keep trying to compose something to send my boss to try to keep the peace until he finally fires me, but it keeps turning into \"hey taintmonger, vacation time per year is guaranteed by law and not something you get to bestow on or snatch away from your employees\".  This a \"woe is me\" post but I'm looking for some perspective from other engineers, which might be \"STFU at least you have a job right now\". I applied to about 170 to get this one, which is my second job out of grad school. I have a masters and a 3.9 GPA, but I feel like that meme image of Boromir shot with three arrows. What do, askengineers, what do?","c_root_id_A":"ggvpdfk","c_root_id_B":"ggvn9wj","created_at_utc_A":1608794602,"created_at_utc_B":1608792659,"score_A":136,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Yo, find a new job.  Your boss is an asshole, and if your field is as \"incestuous\" as you make it out to be, then this is probably a well-known fact.  Besides, any place that would listen to this toxic asshole's bullshit and deny you a job is probably just as toxic and horrible a workplace.","human_ref_B":"If you send an email to him stating you will be taking leave over the holiday season, and that this is your legal entitlement, and cc the entire company, would they fire you, and if they do, would that not be a juicier lawsuit?  Maybe reach out to a legal advice sub on here and see what they think. Your being in an engineering role is not actually pertinent to the situation.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1943.0,"score_ratio":19.4285714286}
{"post_id":"kj9kkm","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My boss canceled our holiday break because I asked when a good time would be to take my vacation days, feeling down about my chances of having a career in our (small, incestuous) field I'm a metallurgical engineer at a forensic engineering firm in Canada. I've been in the doghouse since July since my boss, the business owner, found out that I was working 8+ hours\/day but not always taking my full (unpaid) lunch hour and leaving early. My coworkers all work varying hours and it was stressed to me that flexibility was normal and expected, but what I was doing was apparently a huge trespass on my boss's generosity and taking advantage of him. I am paid a salary.  This month I asked when a good time would be to take my remaining vacation days and didn't hear back, and we got busy anyway. As the month drew down and it looked like we were going to close over christmas\/new years anyway, I asked if I should request for my vacation days to be held over since there wouldn't be an opportunity to take them. My boss called me into a meeting this week with the other engineers where he announced that he'd changed company policy to forbid holding over vacation days and had cancelled the holiday break, so anyone with remaining vacation days could use them next week. The technicians don't get vacation days and are required to come in.  He told everyone about my nefarious scheme to get extra holidays by holding over my vacation time to next year, and that was taking advantage of him and was damaging to the business, because who would cover in terms of cash and manpower if he was forced to allow employees to take vacation time that had... already been allocated...  The good news is that I got a recording (Canada is one-party consent) that's now on multiple cloud services of him describing how he didn't plan on following our province's employment laws regarding vacation time, and stating that canceling winter break was to retaliate against me for requesting the vacation time offered to me in my employee contract, but in the end I'm feeling really down about this.  Trying to work here has been a drain on my sanity and health, and I've been looking for other employment basically since about 6 months in, but the recruiter calls dried up with COVID. I'm thinking of an interview I had with another forensic engineering firm where they said that their engineers had to handle 20+ active investigations, and that they knew my boss, and I just feel defeated.   I've got a massive industrial investigation going right now and a handful of insurance ones, and the workload is so heavy. I do my own labwork and my boss yells at me if I pass too much to the technicians. I read more papers every few months than I did for my whole masters. We've skirted COVID restrictions so I've still been in the office every day. I have no short term memory and took on 3 prescriptions to try to control all my stress-related illnesses.  How can I manage 20 files and take on full responsibility for the conclusions instead of filtering it through my boss? He shows me all the bad forensic reports that he tears to shreds and tells me about other young engineers who were run out of the industry, and how bad it is at other firms. Yeah, he's doing that to control me, but maybe that is how it is.  Everybody seems to know everybody in this field, and my boss will just tell all his contacts how I screwed him over unfairly. I want to solve these forensic mysteries and help clients, but that might mean letting my boss do what he wants, because I need the experience and references. I'm going to go for a consultation with an employment lawyer, but I'm discouraged because the legal remedy may be at best a small financial payout + getting blacklisted in the industry.  I also keep trying to compose something to send my boss to try to keep the peace until he finally fires me, but it keeps turning into \"hey taintmonger, vacation time per year is guaranteed by law and not something you get to bestow on or snatch away from your employees\".  This a \"woe is me\" post but I'm looking for some perspective from other engineers, which might be \"STFU at least you have a job right now\". I applied to about 170 to get this one, which is my second job out of grad school. I have a masters and a 3.9 GPA, but I feel like that meme image of Boromir shot with three arrows. What do, askengineers, what do?","c_root_id_A":"ggvnbcj","c_root_id_B":"ggvpdfk","created_at_utc_A":1608792694,"created_at_utc_B":1608794602,"score_A":6,"score_B":136,"human_ref_A":"If you're in a niche engineering field and have evidence against your boss that may be taken to court, I'm NAL but I think you need to remove this post","human_ref_B":"Yo, find a new job.  Your boss is an asshole, and if your field is as \"incestuous\" as you make it out to be, then this is probably a well-known fact.  Besides, any place that would listen to this toxic asshole's bullshit and deny you a job is probably just as toxic and horrible a workplace.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1908.0,"score_ratio":22.6666666667}
{"post_id":"kj9kkm","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My boss canceled our holiday break because I asked when a good time would be to take my vacation days, feeling down about my chances of having a career in our (small, incestuous) field I'm a metallurgical engineer at a forensic engineering firm in Canada. I've been in the doghouse since July since my boss, the business owner, found out that I was working 8+ hours\/day but not always taking my full (unpaid) lunch hour and leaving early. My coworkers all work varying hours and it was stressed to me that flexibility was normal and expected, but what I was doing was apparently a huge trespass on my boss's generosity and taking advantage of him. I am paid a salary.  This month I asked when a good time would be to take my remaining vacation days and didn't hear back, and we got busy anyway. As the month drew down and it looked like we were going to close over christmas\/new years anyway, I asked if I should request for my vacation days to be held over since there wouldn't be an opportunity to take them. My boss called me into a meeting this week with the other engineers where he announced that he'd changed company policy to forbid holding over vacation days and had cancelled the holiday break, so anyone with remaining vacation days could use them next week. The technicians don't get vacation days and are required to come in.  He told everyone about my nefarious scheme to get extra holidays by holding over my vacation time to next year, and that was taking advantage of him and was damaging to the business, because who would cover in terms of cash and manpower if he was forced to allow employees to take vacation time that had... already been allocated...  The good news is that I got a recording (Canada is one-party consent) that's now on multiple cloud services of him describing how he didn't plan on following our province's employment laws regarding vacation time, and stating that canceling winter break was to retaliate against me for requesting the vacation time offered to me in my employee contract, but in the end I'm feeling really down about this.  Trying to work here has been a drain on my sanity and health, and I've been looking for other employment basically since about 6 months in, but the recruiter calls dried up with COVID. I'm thinking of an interview I had with another forensic engineering firm where they said that their engineers had to handle 20+ active investigations, and that they knew my boss, and I just feel defeated.   I've got a massive industrial investigation going right now and a handful of insurance ones, and the workload is so heavy. I do my own labwork and my boss yells at me if I pass too much to the technicians. I read more papers every few months than I did for my whole masters. We've skirted COVID restrictions so I've still been in the office every day. I have no short term memory and took on 3 prescriptions to try to control all my stress-related illnesses.  How can I manage 20 files and take on full responsibility for the conclusions instead of filtering it through my boss? He shows me all the bad forensic reports that he tears to shreds and tells me about other young engineers who were run out of the industry, and how bad it is at other firms. Yeah, he's doing that to control me, but maybe that is how it is.  Everybody seems to know everybody in this field, and my boss will just tell all his contacts how I screwed him over unfairly. I want to solve these forensic mysteries and help clients, but that might mean letting my boss do what he wants, because I need the experience and references. I'm going to go for a consultation with an employment lawyer, but I'm discouraged because the legal remedy may be at best a small financial payout + getting blacklisted in the industry.  I also keep trying to compose something to send my boss to try to keep the peace until he finally fires me, but it keeps turning into \"hey taintmonger, vacation time per year is guaranteed by law and not something you get to bestow on or snatch away from your employees\".  This a \"woe is me\" post but I'm looking for some perspective from other engineers, which might be \"STFU at least you have a job right now\". I applied to about 170 to get this one, which is my second job out of grad school. I have a masters and a 3.9 GPA, but I feel like that meme image of Boromir shot with three arrows. What do, askengineers, what do?","c_root_id_A":"ggvjyz0","c_root_id_B":"ggvpjgo","created_at_utc_A":1608789872,"created_at_utc_B":1608794764,"score_A":23,"score_B":39,"human_ref_A":"If you have that recording you should feel obligated to report him so that he doesn't abuse the rights of present\/future employees. He doesn't deserve a  management position and should be reprimanded appropriately for his actions. Don't worry too much about finding another job just yet. You can't be reprised against for \"whistle blowing.\" Start with your company's HR department.","human_ref_B":"I'm also in a very incestuous little corner of industry. You know what else happens in this sort of corner? Everyone knows who the rotten eggs are. Either it's an actual mean-girls clique and your boss is completely right that he can do whatever he wants, because it's the same everywhere...or he's done this to enough people that they know not to take him seriously when he badmouths people.   In short, your boss disliking you is not going to torpedo your chances anywhere worth working. But you should probably find another job before quitting this one and taking legal action, because, y'know, paycheck.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4892.0,"score_ratio":1.6956521739}
{"post_id":"kj9kkm","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My boss canceled our holiday break because I asked when a good time would be to take my vacation days, feeling down about my chances of having a career in our (small, incestuous) field I'm a metallurgical engineer at a forensic engineering firm in Canada. I've been in the doghouse since July since my boss, the business owner, found out that I was working 8+ hours\/day but not always taking my full (unpaid) lunch hour and leaving early. My coworkers all work varying hours and it was stressed to me that flexibility was normal and expected, but what I was doing was apparently a huge trespass on my boss's generosity and taking advantage of him. I am paid a salary.  This month I asked when a good time would be to take my remaining vacation days and didn't hear back, and we got busy anyway. As the month drew down and it looked like we were going to close over christmas\/new years anyway, I asked if I should request for my vacation days to be held over since there wouldn't be an opportunity to take them. My boss called me into a meeting this week with the other engineers where he announced that he'd changed company policy to forbid holding over vacation days and had cancelled the holiday break, so anyone with remaining vacation days could use them next week. The technicians don't get vacation days and are required to come in.  He told everyone about my nefarious scheme to get extra holidays by holding over my vacation time to next year, and that was taking advantage of him and was damaging to the business, because who would cover in terms of cash and manpower if he was forced to allow employees to take vacation time that had... already been allocated...  The good news is that I got a recording (Canada is one-party consent) that's now on multiple cloud services of him describing how he didn't plan on following our province's employment laws regarding vacation time, and stating that canceling winter break was to retaliate against me for requesting the vacation time offered to me in my employee contract, but in the end I'm feeling really down about this.  Trying to work here has been a drain on my sanity and health, and I've been looking for other employment basically since about 6 months in, but the recruiter calls dried up with COVID. I'm thinking of an interview I had with another forensic engineering firm where they said that their engineers had to handle 20+ active investigations, and that they knew my boss, and I just feel defeated.   I've got a massive industrial investigation going right now and a handful of insurance ones, and the workload is so heavy. I do my own labwork and my boss yells at me if I pass too much to the technicians. I read more papers every few months than I did for my whole masters. We've skirted COVID restrictions so I've still been in the office every day. I have no short term memory and took on 3 prescriptions to try to control all my stress-related illnesses.  How can I manage 20 files and take on full responsibility for the conclusions instead of filtering it through my boss? He shows me all the bad forensic reports that he tears to shreds and tells me about other young engineers who were run out of the industry, and how bad it is at other firms. Yeah, he's doing that to control me, but maybe that is how it is.  Everybody seems to know everybody in this field, and my boss will just tell all his contacts how I screwed him over unfairly. I want to solve these forensic mysteries and help clients, but that might mean letting my boss do what he wants, because I need the experience and references. I'm going to go for a consultation with an employment lawyer, but I'm discouraged because the legal remedy may be at best a small financial payout + getting blacklisted in the industry.  I also keep trying to compose something to send my boss to try to keep the peace until he finally fires me, but it keeps turning into \"hey taintmonger, vacation time per year is guaranteed by law and not something you get to bestow on or snatch away from your employees\".  This a \"woe is me\" post but I'm looking for some perspective from other engineers, which might be \"STFU at least you have a job right now\". I applied to about 170 to get this one, which is my second job out of grad school. I have a masters and a 3.9 GPA, but I feel like that meme image of Boromir shot with three arrows. What do, askengineers, what do?","c_root_id_A":"ggvpjgo","c_root_id_B":"ggvmlzg","created_at_utc_A":1608794764,"created_at_utc_B":1608792076,"score_A":39,"score_B":23,"human_ref_A":"I'm also in a very incestuous little corner of industry. You know what else happens in this sort of corner? Everyone knows who the rotten eggs are. Either it's an actual mean-girls clique and your boss is completely right that he can do whatever he wants, because it's the same everywhere...or he's done this to enough people that they know not to take him seriously when he badmouths people.   In short, your boss disliking you is not going to torpedo your chances anywhere worth working. But you should probably find another job before quitting this one and taking legal action, because, y'know, paycheck.","human_ref_B":"I would recommend finding a new job yourself.  ​  Search terms I would recommend Googling are \"Indeed job metallurgical engineer\", or the same with Glassdoor instead of Indeed.  Then fire off resumes everyday to any of these jobs within commuting distance.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2688.0,"score_ratio":1.6956521739}
{"post_id":"kj9kkm","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My boss canceled our holiday break because I asked when a good time would be to take my vacation days, feeling down about my chances of having a career in our (small, incestuous) field I'm a metallurgical engineer at a forensic engineering firm in Canada. I've been in the doghouse since July since my boss, the business owner, found out that I was working 8+ hours\/day but not always taking my full (unpaid) lunch hour and leaving early. My coworkers all work varying hours and it was stressed to me that flexibility was normal and expected, but what I was doing was apparently a huge trespass on my boss's generosity and taking advantage of him. I am paid a salary.  This month I asked when a good time would be to take my remaining vacation days and didn't hear back, and we got busy anyway. As the month drew down and it looked like we were going to close over christmas\/new years anyway, I asked if I should request for my vacation days to be held over since there wouldn't be an opportunity to take them. My boss called me into a meeting this week with the other engineers where he announced that he'd changed company policy to forbid holding over vacation days and had cancelled the holiday break, so anyone with remaining vacation days could use them next week. The technicians don't get vacation days and are required to come in.  He told everyone about my nefarious scheme to get extra holidays by holding over my vacation time to next year, and that was taking advantage of him and was damaging to the business, because who would cover in terms of cash and manpower if he was forced to allow employees to take vacation time that had... already been allocated...  The good news is that I got a recording (Canada is one-party consent) that's now on multiple cloud services of him describing how he didn't plan on following our province's employment laws regarding vacation time, and stating that canceling winter break was to retaliate against me for requesting the vacation time offered to me in my employee contract, but in the end I'm feeling really down about this.  Trying to work here has been a drain on my sanity and health, and I've been looking for other employment basically since about 6 months in, but the recruiter calls dried up with COVID. I'm thinking of an interview I had with another forensic engineering firm where they said that their engineers had to handle 20+ active investigations, and that they knew my boss, and I just feel defeated.   I've got a massive industrial investigation going right now and a handful of insurance ones, and the workload is so heavy. I do my own labwork and my boss yells at me if I pass too much to the technicians. I read more papers every few months than I did for my whole masters. We've skirted COVID restrictions so I've still been in the office every day. I have no short term memory and took on 3 prescriptions to try to control all my stress-related illnesses.  How can I manage 20 files and take on full responsibility for the conclusions instead of filtering it through my boss? He shows me all the bad forensic reports that he tears to shreds and tells me about other young engineers who were run out of the industry, and how bad it is at other firms. Yeah, he's doing that to control me, but maybe that is how it is.  Everybody seems to know everybody in this field, and my boss will just tell all his contacts how I screwed him over unfairly. I want to solve these forensic mysteries and help clients, but that might mean letting my boss do what he wants, because I need the experience and references. I'm going to go for a consultation with an employment lawyer, but I'm discouraged because the legal remedy may be at best a small financial payout + getting blacklisted in the industry.  I also keep trying to compose something to send my boss to try to keep the peace until he finally fires me, but it keeps turning into \"hey taintmonger, vacation time per year is guaranteed by law and not something you get to bestow on or snatch away from your employees\".  This a \"woe is me\" post but I'm looking for some perspective from other engineers, which might be \"STFU at least you have a job right now\". I applied to about 170 to get this one, which is my second job out of grad school. I have a masters and a 3.9 GPA, but I feel like that meme image of Boromir shot with three arrows. What do, askengineers, what do?","c_root_id_A":"ggvpjgo","c_root_id_B":"ggvldwl","created_at_utc_A":1608794764,"created_at_utc_B":1608791019,"score_A":39,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"I'm also in a very incestuous little corner of industry. You know what else happens in this sort of corner? Everyone knows who the rotten eggs are. Either it's an actual mean-girls clique and your boss is completely right that he can do whatever he wants, because it's the same everywhere...or he's done this to enough people that they know not to take him seriously when he badmouths people.   In short, your boss disliking you is not going to torpedo your chances anywhere worth working. But you should probably find another job before quitting this one and taking legal action, because, y'know, paycheck.","human_ref_B":"I hope they don\u2019t make you do your sample prep because that is just a waste of time if you have technicians. Honestly if you can stand it stay the course and update your resume and look for something else. Then turn him in once you have something lined up. Mining seems to be doing ok have you looked that way?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3745.0,"score_ratio":4.3333333333}
{"post_id":"kj9kkm","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My boss canceled our holiday break because I asked when a good time would be to take my vacation days, feeling down about my chances of having a career in our (small, incestuous) field I'm a metallurgical engineer at a forensic engineering firm in Canada. I've been in the doghouse since July since my boss, the business owner, found out that I was working 8+ hours\/day but not always taking my full (unpaid) lunch hour and leaving early. My coworkers all work varying hours and it was stressed to me that flexibility was normal and expected, but what I was doing was apparently a huge trespass on my boss's generosity and taking advantage of him. I am paid a salary.  This month I asked when a good time would be to take my remaining vacation days and didn't hear back, and we got busy anyway. As the month drew down and it looked like we were going to close over christmas\/new years anyway, I asked if I should request for my vacation days to be held over since there wouldn't be an opportunity to take them. My boss called me into a meeting this week with the other engineers where he announced that he'd changed company policy to forbid holding over vacation days and had cancelled the holiday break, so anyone with remaining vacation days could use them next week. The technicians don't get vacation days and are required to come in.  He told everyone about my nefarious scheme to get extra holidays by holding over my vacation time to next year, and that was taking advantage of him and was damaging to the business, because who would cover in terms of cash and manpower if he was forced to allow employees to take vacation time that had... already been allocated...  The good news is that I got a recording (Canada is one-party consent) that's now on multiple cloud services of him describing how he didn't plan on following our province's employment laws regarding vacation time, and stating that canceling winter break was to retaliate against me for requesting the vacation time offered to me in my employee contract, but in the end I'm feeling really down about this.  Trying to work here has been a drain on my sanity and health, and I've been looking for other employment basically since about 6 months in, but the recruiter calls dried up with COVID. I'm thinking of an interview I had with another forensic engineering firm where they said that their engineers had to handle 20+ active investigations, and that they knew my boss, and I just feel defeated.   I've got a massive industrial investigation going right now and a handful of insurance ones, and the workload is so heavy. I do my own labwork and my boss yells at me if I pass too much to the technicians. I read more papers every few months than I did for my whole masters. We've skirted COVID restrictions so I've still been in the office every day. I have no short term memory and took on 3 prescriptions to try to control all my stress-related illnesses.  How can I manage 20 files and take on full responsibility for the conclusions instead of filtering it through my boss? He shows me all the bad forensic reports that he tears to shreds and tells me about other young engineers who were run out of the industry, and how bad it is at other firms. Yeah, he's doing that to control me, but maybe that is how it is.  Everybody seems to know everybody in this field, and my boss will just tell all his contacts how I screwed him over unfairly. I want to solve these forensic mysteries and help clients, but that might mean letting my boss do what he wants, because I need the experience and references. I'm going to go for a consultation with an employment lawyer, but I'm discouraged because the legal remedy may be at best a small financial payout + getting blacklisted in the industry.  I also keep trying to compose something to send my boss to try to keep the peace until he finally fires me, but it keeps turning into \"hey taintmonger, vacation time per year is guaranteed by law and not something you get to bestow on or snatch away from your employees\".  This a \"woe is me\" post but I'm looking for some perspective from other engineers, which might be \"STFU at least you have a job right now\". I applied to about 170 to get this one, which is my second job out of grad school. I have a masters and a 3.9 GPA, but I feel like that meme image of Boromir shot with three arrows. What do, askengineers, what do?","c_root_id_A":"ggvpjgo","c_root_id_B":"ggvmc5x","created_at_utc_A":1608794764,"created_at_utc_B":1608791840,"score_A":39,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"I'm also in a very incestuous little corner of industry. You know what else happens in this sort of corner? Everyone knows who the rotten eggs are. Either it's an actual mean-girls clique and your boss is completely right that he can do whatever he wants, because it's the same everywhere...or he's done this to enough people that they know not to take him seriously when he badmouths people.   In short, your boss disliking you is not going to torpedo your chances anywhere worth working. But you should probably find another job before quitting this one and taking legal action, because, y'know, paycheck.","human_ref_B":"Have you considered changing field to a less stressful one with more job opportunities and less nepotism?  Also, you should've spoken out at that meeting and said in front of everyone that you weren't getting extra leave, you were getting the hours already allocated. It's important to get the other employees on your side so you can unite against a bad boss.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2924.0,"score_ratio":4.3333333333}
{"post_id":"kj9kkm","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My boss canceled our holiday break because I asked when a good time would be to take my vacation days, feeling down about my chances of having a career in our (small, incestuous) field I'm a metallurgical engineer at a forensic engineering firm in Canada. I've been in the doghouse since July since my boss, the business owner, found out that I was working 8+ hours\/day but not always taking my full (unpaid) lunch hour and leaving early. My coworkers all work varying hours and it was stressed to me that flexibility was normal and expected, but what I was doing was apparently a huge trespass on my boss's generosity and taking advantage of him. I am paid a salary.  This month I asked when a good time would be to take my remaining vacation days and didn't hear back, and we got busy anyway. As the month drew down and it looked like we were going to close over christmas\/new years anyway, I asked if I should request for my vacation days to be held over since there wouldn't be an opportunity to take them. My boss called me into a meeting this week with the other engineers where he announced that he'd changed company policy to forbid holding over vacation days and had cancelled the holiday break, so anyone with remaining vacation days could use them next week. The technicians don't get vacation days and are required to come in.  He told everyone about my nefarious scheme to get extra holidays by holding over my vacation time to next year, and that was taking advantage of him and was damaging to the business, because who would cover in terms of cash and manpower if he was forced to allow employees to take vacation time that had... already been allocated...  The good news is that I got a recording (Canada is one-party consent) that's now on multiple cloud services of him describing how he didn't plan on following our province's employment laws regarding vacation time, and stating that canceling winter break was to retaliate against me for requesting the vacation time offered to me in my employee contract, but in the end I'm feeling really down about this.  Trying to work here has been a drain on my sanity and health, and I've been looking for other employment basically since about 6 months in, but the recruiter calls dried up with COVID. I'm thinking of an interview I had with another forensic engineering firm where they said that their engineers had to handle 20+ active investigations, and that they knew my boss, and I just feel defeated.   I've got a massive industrial investigation going right now and a handful of insurance ones, and the workload is so heavy. I do my own labwork and my boss yells at me if I pass too much to the technicians. I read more papers every few months than I did for my whole masters. We've skirted COVID restrictions so I've still been in the office every day. I have no short term memory and took on 3 prescriptions to try to control all my stress-related illnesses.  How can I manage 20 files and take on full responsibility for the conclusions instead of filtering it through my boss? He shows me all the bad forensic reports that he tears to shreds and tells me about other young engineers who were run out of the industry, and how bad it is at other firms. Yeah, he's doing that to control me, but maybe that is how it is.  Everybody seems to know everybody in this field, and my boss will just tell all his contacts how I screwed him over unfairly. I want to solve these forensic mysteries and help clients, but that might mean letting my boss do what he wants, because I need the experience and references. I'm going to go for a consultation with an employment lawyer, but I'm discouraged because the legal remedy may be at best a small financial payout + getting blacklisted in the industry.  I also keep trying to compose something to send my boss to try to keep the peace until he finally fires me, but it keeps turning into \"hey taintmonger, vacation time per year is guaranteed by law and not something you get to bestow on or snatch away from your employees\".  This a \"woe is me\" post but I'm looking for some perspective from other engineers, which might be \"STFU at least you have a job right now\". I applied to about 170 to get this one, which is my second job out of grad school. I have a masters and a 3.9 GPA, but I feel like that meme image of Boromir shot with three arrows. What do, askengineers, what do?","c_root_id_A":"ggvn9wj","c_root_id_B":"ggvpjgo","created_at_utc_A":1608792659,"created_at_utc_B":1608794764,"score_A":7,"score_B":39,"human_ref_A":"If you send an email to him stating you will be taking leave over the holiday season, and that this is your legal entitlement, and cc the entire company, would they fire you, and if they do, would that not be a juicier lawsuit?  Maybe reach out to a legal advice sub on here and see what they think. Your being in an engineering role is not actually pertinent to the situation.","human_ref_B":"I'm also in a very incestuous little corner of industry. You know what else happens in this sort of corner? Everyone knows who the rotten eggs are. Either it's an actual mean-girls clique and your boss is completely right that he can do whatever he wants, because it's the same everywhere...or he's done this to enough people that they know not to take him seriously when he badmouths people.   In short, your boss disliking you is not going to torpedo your chances anywhere worth working. But you should probably find another job before quitting this one and taking legal action, because, y'know, paycheck.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2105.0,"score_ratio":5.5714285714}
{"post_id":"kj9kkm","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My boss canceled our holiday break because I asked when a good time would be to take my vacation days, feeling down about my chances of having a career in our (small, incestuous) field I'm a metallurgical engineer at a forensic engineering firm in Canada. I've been in the doghouse since July since my boss, the business owner, found out that I was working 8+ hours\/day but not always taking my full (unpaid) lunch hour and leaving early. My coworkers all work varying hours and it was stressed to me that flexibility was normal and expected, but what I was doing was apparently a huge trespass on my boss's generosity and taking advantage of him. I am paid a salary.  This month I asked when a good time would be to take my remaining vacation days and didn't hear back, and we got busy anyway. As the month drew down and it looked like we were going to close over christmas\/new years anyway, I asked if I should request for my vacation days to be held over since there wouldn't be an opportunity to take them. My boss called me into a meeting this week with the other engineers where he announced that he'd changed company policy to forbid holding over vacation days and had cancelled the holiday break, so anyone with remaining vacation days could use them next week. The technicians don't get vacation days and are required to come in.  He told everyone about my nefarious scheme to get extra holidays by holding over my vacation time to next year, and that was taking advantage of him and was damaging to the business, because who would cover in terms of cash and manpower if he was forced to allow employees to take vacation time that had... already been allocated...  The good news is that I got a recording (Canada is one-party consent) that's now on multiple cloud services of him describing how he didn't plan on following our province's employment laws regarding vacation time, and stating that canceling winter break was to retaliate against me for requesting the vacation time offered to me in my employee contract, but in the end I'm feeling really down about this.  Trying to work here has been a drain on my sanity and health, and I've been looking for other employment basically since about 6 months in, but the recruiter calls dried up with COVID. I'm thinking of an interview I had with another forensic engineering firm where they said that their engineers had to handle 20+ active investigations, and that they knew my boss, and I just feel defeated.   I've got a massive industrial investigation going right now and a handful of insurance ones, and the workload is so heavy. I do my own labwork and my boss yells at me if I pass too much to the technicians. I read more papers every few months than I did for my whole masters. We've skirted COVID restrictions so I've still been in the office every day. I have no short term memory and took on 3 prescriptions to try to control all my stress-related illnesses.  How can I manage 20 files and take on full responsibility for the conclusions instead of filtering it through my boss? He shows me all the bad forensic reports that he tears to shreds and tells me about other young engineers who were run out of the industry, and how bad it is at other firms. Yeah, he's doing that to control me, but maybe that is how it is.  Everybody seems to know everybody in this field, and my boss will just tell all his contacts how I screwed him over unfairly. I want to solve these forensic mysteries and help clients, but that might mean letting my boss do what he wants, because I need the experience and references. I'm going to go for a consultation with an employment lawyer, but I'm discouraged because the legal remedy may be at best a small financial payout + getting blacklisted in the industry.  I also keep trying to compose something to send my boss to try to keep the peace until he finally fires me, but it keeps turning into \"hey taintmonger, vacation time per year is guaranteed by law and not something you get to bestow on or snatch away from your employees\".  This a \"woe is me\" post but I'm looking for some perspective from other engineers, which might be \"STFU at least you have a job right now\". I applied to about 170 to get this one, which is my second job out of grad school. I have a masters and a 3.9 GPA, but I feel like that meme image of Boromir shot with three arrows. What do, askengineers, what do?","c_root_id_A":"ggvpjgo","c_root_id_B":"ggvnbcj","created_at_utc_A":1608794764,"created_at_utc_B":1608792694,"score_A":39,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"I'm also in a very incestuous little corner of industry. You know what else happens in this sort of corner? Everyone knows who the rotten eggs are. Either it's an actual mean-girls clique and your boss is completely right that he can do whatever he wants, because it's the same everywhere...or he's done this to enough people that they know not to take him seriously when he badmouths people.   In short, your boss disliking you is not going to torpedo your chances anywhere worth working. But you should probably find another job before quitting this one and taking legal action, because, y'know, paycheck.","human_ref_B":"If you're in a niche engineering field and have evidence against your boss that may be taken to court, I'm NAL but I think you need to remove this post","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2070.0,"score_ratio":6.5}
{"post_id":"kj9kkm","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My boss canceled our holiday break because I asked when a good time would be to take my vacation days, feeling down about my chances of having a career in our (small, incestuous) field I'm a metallurgical engineer at a forensic engineering firm in Canada. I've been in the doghouse since July since my boss, the business owner, found out that I was working 8+ hours\/day but not always taking my full (unpaid) lunch hour and leaving early. My coworkers all work varying hours and it was stressed to me that flexibility was normal and expected, but what I was doing was apparently a huge trespass on my boss's generosity and taking advantage of him. I am paid a salary.  This month I asked when a good time would be to take my remaining vacation days and didn't hear back, and we got busy anyway. As the month drew down and it looked like we were going to close over christmas\/new years anyway, I asked if I should request for my vacation days to be held over since there wouldn't be an opportunity to take them. My boss called me into a meeting this week with the other engineers where he announced that he'd changed company policy to forbid holding over vacation days and had cancelled the holiday break, so anyone with remaining vacation days could use them next week. The technicians don't get vacation days and are required to come in.  He told everyone about my nefarious scheme to get extra holidays by holding over my vacation time to next year, and that was taking advantage of him and was damaging to the business, because who would cover in terms of cash and manpower if he was forced to allow employees to take vacation time that had... already been allocated...  The good news is that I got a recording (Canada is one-party consent) that's now on multiple cloud services of him describing how he didn't plan on following our province's employment laws regarding vacation time, and stating that canceling winter break was to retaliate against me for requesting the vacation time offered to me in my employee contract, but in the end I'm feeling really down about this.  Trying to work here has been a drain on my sanity and health, and I've been looking for other employment basically since about 6 months in, but the recruiter calls dried up with COVID. I'm thinking of an interview I had with another forensic engineering firm where they said that their engineers had to handle 20+ active investigations, and that they knew my boss, and I just feel defeated.   I've got a massive industrial investigation going right now and a handful of insurance ones, and the workload is so heavy. I do my own labwork and my boss yells at me if I pass too much to the technicians. I read more papers every few months than I did for my whole masters. We've skirted COVID restrictions so I've still been in the office every day. I have no short term memory and took on 3 prescriptions to try to control all my stress-related illnesses.  How can I manage 20 files and take on full responsibility for the conclusions instead of filtering it through my boss? He shows me all the bad forensic reports that he tears to shreds and tells me about other young engineers who were run out of the industry, and how bad it is at other firms. Yeah, he's doing that to control me, but maybe that is how it is.  Everybody seems to know everybody in this field, and my boss will just tell all his contacts how I screwed him over unfairly. I want to solve these forensic mysteries and help clients, but that might mean letting my boss do what he wants, because I need the experience and references. I'm going to go for a consultation with an employment lawyer, but I'm discouraged because the legal remedy may be at best a small financial payout + getting blacklisted in the industry.  I also keep trying to compose something to send my boss to try to keep the peace until he finally fires me, but it keeps turning into \"hey taintmonger, vacation time per year is guaranteed by law and not something you get to bestow on or snatch away from your employees\".  This a \"woe is me\" post but I'm looking for some perspective from other engineers, which might be \"STFU at least you have a job right now\". I applied to about 170 to get this one, which is my second job out of grad school. I have a masters and a 3.9 GPA, but I feel like that meme image of Boromir shot with three arrows. What do, askengineers, what do?","c_root_id_A":"ggvq10t","c_root_id_B":"ggvjyz0","created_at_utc_A":1608795238,"created_at_utc_B":1608789872,"score_A":36,"score_B":23,"human_ref_A":"Just wanted to start off by saying that this required a level of courage and you should feel proud that you are asking for help and seeking what might be the possible best method for help.  In Canada, and in about where I am there is the Workplace Safety and Insurance Board (WSIB).   Talk to your doctor about the stress your feeling, and the progression. In my personal feelings the drugs are not helping (not a Doctor). Stress is not a joke, I have seen how stress can change people including myself. Maybe ask your Doctor if he\/she knows anything about sick leave and see if your potentially able to help for sick leave from the WSIB.  If that works in your favor, take a couple days off then look for a new job. Just like u\/DMayo50 said   \" Ok. You are a highly educated professional. A person with limited education and little training can become stuck in a job they can\u2019t get out of. But you don\u2019t fit that description.  If your job is that bad, get out. If your recruiter is not finding you good opportunities, find another recruiter. There is zero reason to stick with only one recruiter, especially if that individual is. It getting you opportunities.  The best thing about education is that it gives you options. Recommend you broaden your search both geographically, and which positions you consider.\"  &#x200B;  I suggest looking into ...  https:\/\/aiac.ca\/member-directory\/ <- this is a link to all of the aerospace companies in Canada.   https:\/\/ca.linkedin.com\/jobs\/metallurgical-engineer-jobs?position=1&pageNum=0  https:\/\/www.jobbank.gc.ca\/marketreport\/jobs\/17862\/22437 (If you want to work in the Canadian Government it will make it easier on you if you had you and your immediate family to be Canadian residence due to the field you work in)  Also would like to mention that you have on the job experience, that means that means that it will be easier to get another job. (at least it should be, I think)  I hope you get this situation gets better.","human_ref_B":"If you have that recording you should feel obligated to report him so that he doesn't abuse the rights of present\/future employees. He doesn't deserve a  management position and should be reprimanded appropriately for his actions. Don't worry too much about finding another job just yet. You can't be reprised against for \"whistle blowing.\" Start with your company's HR department.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5366.0,"score_ratio":1.5652173913}
{"post_id":"kj9kkm","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My boss canceled our holiday break because I asked when a good time would be to take my vacation days, feeling down about my chances of having a career in our (small, incestuous) field I'm a metallurgical engineer at a forensic engineering firm in Canada. I've been in the doghouse since July since my boss, the business owner, found out that I was working 8+ hours\/day but not always taking my full (unpaid) lunch hour and leaving early. My coworkers all work varying hours and it was stressed to me that flexibility was normal and expected, but what I was doing was apparently a huge trespass on my boss's generosity and taking advantage of him. I am paid a salary.  This month I asked when a good time would be to take my remaining vacation days and didn't hear back, and we got busy anyway. As the month drew down and it looked like we were going to close over christmas\/new years anyway, I asked if I should request for my vacation days to be held over since there wouldn't be an opportunity to take them. My boss called me into a meeting this week with the other engineers where he announced that he'd changed company policy to forbid holding over vacation days and had cancelled the holiday break, so anyone with remaining vacation days could use them next week. The technicians don't get vacation days and are required to come in.  He told everyone about my nefarious scheme to get extra holidays by holding over my vacation time to next year, and that was taking advantage of him and was damaging to the business, because who would cover in terms of cash and manpower if he was forced to allow employees to take vacation time that had... already been allocated...  The good news is that I got a recording (Canada is one-party consent) that's now on multiple cloud services of him describing how he didn't plan on following our province's employment laws regarding vacation time, and stating that canceling winter break was to retaliate against me for requesting the vacation time offered to me in my employee contract, but in the end I'm feeling really down about this.  Trying to work here has been a drain on my sanity and health, and I've been looking for other employment basically since about 6 months in, but the recruiter calls dried up with COVID. I'm thinking of an interview I had with another forensic engineering firm where they said that their engineers had to handle 20+ active investigations, and that they knew my boss, and I just feel defeated.   I've got a massive industrial investigation going right now and a handful of insurance ones, and the workload is so heavy. I do my own labwork and my boss yells at me if I pass too much to the technicians. I read more papers every few months than I did for my whole masters. We've skirted COVID restrictions so I've still been in the office every day. I have no short term memory and took on 3 prescriptions to try to control all my stress-related illnesses.  How can I manage 20 files and take on full responsibility for the conclusions instead of filtering it through my boss? He shows me all the bad forensic reports that he tears to shreds and tells me about other young engineers who were run out of the industry, and how bad it is at other firms. Yeah, he's doing that to control me, but maybe that is how it is.  Everybody seems to know everybody in this field, and my boss will just tell all his contacts how I screwed him over unfairly. I want to solve these forensic mysteries and help clients, but that might mean letting my boss do what he wants, because I need the experience and references. I'm going to go for a consultation with an employment lawyer, but I'm discouraged because the legal remedy may be at best a small financial payout + getting blacklisted in the industry.  I also keep trying to compose something to send my boss to try to keep the peace until he finally fires me, but it keeps turning into \"hey taintmonger, vacation time per year is guaranteed by law and not something you get to bestow on or snatch away from your employees\".  This a \"woe is me\" post but I'm looking for some perspective from other engineers, which might be \"STFU at least you have a job right now\". I applied to about 170 to get this one, which is my second job out of grad school. I have a masters and a 3.9 GPA, but I feel like that meme image of Boromir shot with three arrows. What do, askengineers, what do?","c_root_id_A":"ggvmlzg","c_root_id_B":"ggvq10t","created_at_utc_A":1608792076,"created_at_utc_B":1608795238,"score_A":23,"score_B":36,"human_ref_A":"I would recommend finding a new job yourself.  &#x200B;  Search terms I would recommend Googling are \"Indeed job metallurgical engineer\", or the same with Glassdoor instead of Indeed.  Then fire off resumes everyday to any of these jobs within commuting distance.","human_ref_B":"Just wanted to start off by saying that this required a level of courage and you should feel proud that you are asking for help and seeking what might be the possible best method for help.  In Canada, and in about where I am there is the Workplace Safety and Insurance Board (WSIB).   Talk to your doctor about the stress your feeling, and the progression. In my personal feelings the drugs are not helping (not a Doctor). Stress is not a joke, I have seen how stress can change people including myself. Maybe ask your Doctor if he\/she knows anything about sick leave and see if your potentially able to help for sick leave from the WSIB.  If that works in your favor, take a couple days off then look for a new job. Just like u\/DMayo50 said   \" Ok. You are a highly educated professional. A person with limited education and little training can become stuck in a job they can\u2019t get out of. But you don\u2019t fit that description.  If your job is that bad, get out. If your recruiter is not finding you good opportunities, find another recruiter. There is zero reason to stick with only one recruiter, especially if that individual is. It getting you opportunities.  The best thing about education is that it gives you options. Recommend you broaden your search both geographically, and which positions you consider.\"  &#x200B;  I suggest looking into ...  https:\/\/aiac.ca\/member-directory\/ <- this is a link to all of the aerospace companies in Canada.   https:\/\/ca.linkedin.com\/jobs\/metallurgical-engineer-jobs?position=1&pageNum=0  https:\/\/www.jobbank.gc.ca\/marketreport\/jobs\/17862\/22437 (If you want to work in the Canadian Government it will make it easier on you if you had you and your immediate family to be Canadian residence due to the field you work in)  Also would like to mention that you have on the job experience, that means that means that it will be easier to get another job. (at least it should be, I think)  I hope you get this situation gets better.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3162.0,"score_ratio":1.5652173913}
{"post_id":"kj9kkm","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My boss canceled our holiday break because I asked when a good time would be to take my vacation days, feeling down about my chances of having a career in our (small, incestuous) field I'm a metallurgical engineer at a forensic engineering firm in Canada. I've been in the doghouse since July since my boss, the business owner, found out that I was working 8+ hours\/day but not always taking my full (unpaid) lunch hour and leaving early. My coworkers all work varying hours and it was stressed to me that flexibility was normal and expected, but what I was doing was apparently a huge trespass on my boss's generosity and taking advantage of him. I am paid a salary.  This month I asked when a good time would be to take my remaining vacation days and didn't hear back, and we got busy anyway. As the month drew down and it looked like we were going to close over christmas\/new years anyway, I asked if I should request for my vacation days to be held over since there wouldn't be an opportunity to take them. My boss called me into a meeting this week with the other engineers where he announced that he'd changed company policy to forbid holding over vacation days and had cancelled the holiday break, so anyone with remaining vacation days could use them next week. The technicians don't get vacation days and are required to come in.  He told everyone about my nefarious scheme to get extra holidays by holding over my vacation time to next year, and that was taking advantage of him and was damaging to the business, because who would cover in terms of cash and manpower if he was forced to allow employees to take vacation time that had... already been allocated...  The good news is that I got a recording (Canada is one-party consent) that's now on multiple cloud services of him describing how he didn't plan on following our province's employment laws regarding vacation time, and stating that canceling winter break was to retaliate against me for requesting the vacation time offered to me in my employee contract, but in the end I'm feeling really down about this.  Trying to work here has been a drain on my sanity and health, and I've been looking for other employment basically since about 6 months in, but the recruiter calls dried up with COVID. I'm thinking of an interview I had with another forensic engineering firm where they said that their engineers had to handle 20+ active investigations, and that they knew my boss, and I just feel defeated.   I've got a massive industrial investigation going right now and a handful of insurance ones, and the workload is so heavy. I do my own labwork and my boss yells at me if I pass too much to the technicians. I read more papers every few months than I did for my whole masters. We've skirted COVID restrictions so I've still been in the office every day. I have no short term memory and took on 3 prescriptions to try to control all my stress-related illnesses.  How can I manage 20 files and take on full responsibility for the conclusions instead of filtering it through my boss? He shows me all the bad forensic reports that he tears to shreds and tells me about other young engineers who were run out of the industry, and how bad it is at other firms. Yeah, he's doing that to control me, but maybe that is how it is.  Everybody seems to know everybody in this field, and my boss will just tell all his contacts how I screwed him over unfairly. I want to solve these forensic mysteries and help clients, but that might mean letting my boss do what he wants, because I need the experience and references. I'm going to go for a consultation with an employment lawyer, but I'm discouraged because the legal remedy may be at best a small financial payout + getting blacklisted in the industry.  I also keep trying to compose something to send my boss to try to keep the peace until he finally fires me, but it keeps turning into \"hey taintmonger, vacation time per year is guaranteed by law and not something you get to bestow on or snatch away from your employees\".  This a \"woe is me\" post but I'm looking for some perspective from other engineers, which might be \"STFU at least you have a job right now\". I applied to about 170 to get this one, which is my second job out of grad school. I have a masters and a 3.9 GPA, but I feel like that meme image of Boromir shot with three arrows. What do, askengineers, what do?","c_root_id_A":"ggvldwl","c_root_id_B":"ggvq10t","created_at_utc_A":1608791019,"created_at_utc_B":1608795238,"score_A":9,"score_B":36,"human_ref_A":"I hope they don\u2019t make you do your sample prep because that is just a waste of time if you have technicians. Honestly if you can stand it stay the course and update your resume and look for something else. Then turn him in once you have something lined up. Mining seems to be doing ok have you looked that way?","human_ref_B":"Just wanted to start off by saying that this required a level of courage and you should feel proud that you are asking for help and seeking what might be the possible best method for help.  In Canada, and in about where I am there is the Workplace Safety and Insurance Board (WSIB).   Talk to your doctor about the stress your feeling, and the progression. In my personal feelings the drugs are not helping (not a Doctor). Stress is not a joke, I have seen how stress can change people including myself. Maybe ask your Doctor if he\/she knows anything about sick leave and see if your potentially able to help for sick leave from the WSIB.  If that works in your favor, take a couple days off then look for a new job. Just like u\/DMayo50 said   \" Ok. You are a highly educated professional. A person with limited education and little training can become stuck in a job they can\u2019t get out of. But you don\u2019t fit that description.  If your job is that bad, get out. If your recruiter is not finding you good opportunities, find another recruiter. There is zero reason to stick with only one recruiter, especially if that individual is. It getting you opportunities.  The best thing about education is that it gives you options. Recommend you broaden your search both geographically, and which positions you consider.\"  &#x200B;  I suggest looking into ...  https:\/\/aiac.ca\/member-directory\/ <- this is a link to all of the aerospace companies in Canada.   https:\/\/ca.linkedin.com\/jobs\/metallurgical-engineer-jobs?position=1&pageNum=0  https:\/\/www.jobbank.gc.ca\/marketreport\/jobs\/17862\/22437 (If you want to work in the Canadian Government it will make it easier on you if you had you and your immediate family to be Canadian residence due to the field you work in)  Also would like to mention that you have on the job experience, that means that means that it will be easier to get another job. (at least it should be, I think)  I hope you get this situation gets better.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4219.0,"score_ratio":4.0}
{"post_id":"kj9kkm","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My boss canceled our holiday break because I asked when a good time would be to take my vacation days, feeling down about my chances of having a career in our (small, incestuous) field I'm a metallurgical engineer at a forensic engineering firm in Canada. I've been in the doghouse since July since my boss, the business owner, found out that I was working 8+ hours\/day but not always taking my full (unpaid) lunch hour and leaving early. My coworkers all work varying hours and it was stressed to me that flexibility was normal and expected, but what I was doing was apparently a huge trespass on my boss's generosity and taking advantage of him. I am paid a salary.  This month I asked when a good time would be to take my remaining vacation days and didn't hear back, and we got busy anyway. As the month drew down and it looked like we were going to close over christmas\/new years anyway, I asked if I should request for my vacation days to be held over since there wouldn't be an opportunity to take them. My boss called me into a meeting this week with the other engineers where he announced that he'd changed company policy to forbid holding over vacation days and had cancelled the holiday break, so anyone with remaining vacation days could use them next week. The technicians don't get vacation days and are required to come in.  He told everyone about my nefarious scheme to get extra holidays by holding over my vacation time to next year, and that was taking advantage of him and was damaging to the business, because who would cover in terms of cash and manpower if he was forced to allow employees to take vacation time that had... already been allocated...  The good news is that I got a recording (Canada is one-party consent) that's now on multiple cloud services of him describing how he didn't plan on following our province's employment laws regarding vacation time, and stating that canceling winter break was to retaliate against me for requesting the vacation time offered to me in my employee contract, but in the end I'm feeling really down about this.  Trying to work here has been a drain on my sanity and health, and I've been looking for other employment basically since about 6 months in, but the recruiter calls dried up with COVID. I'm thinking of an interview I had with another forensic engineering firm where they said that their engineers had to handle 20+ active investigations, and that they knew my boss, and I just feel defeated.   I've got a massive industrial investigation going right now and a handful of insurance ones, and the workload is so heavy. I do my own labwork and my boss yells at me if I pass too much to the technicians. I read more papers every few months than I did for my whole masters. We've skirted COVID restrictions so I've still been in the office every day. I have no short term memory and took on 3 prescriptions to try to control all my stress-related illnesses.  How can I manage 20 files and take on full responsibility for the conclusions instead of filtering it through my boss? He shows me all the bad forensic reports that he tears to shreds and tells me about other young engineers who were run out of the industry, and how bad it is at other firms. Yeah, he's doing that to control me, but maybe that is how it is.  Everybody seems to know everybody in this field, and my boss will just tell all his contacts how I screwed him over unfairly. I want to solve these forensic mysteries and help clients, but that might mean letting my boss do what he wants, because I need the experience and references. I'm going to go for a consultation with an employment lawyer, but I'm discouraged because the legal remedy may be at best a small financial payout + getting blacklisted in the industry.  I also keep trying to compose something to send my boss to try to keep the peace until he finally fires me, but it keeps turning into \"hey taintmonger, vacation time per year is guaranteed by law and not something you get to bestow on or snatch away from your employees\".  This a \"woe is me\" post but I'm looking for some perspective from other engineers, which might be \"STFU at least you have a job right now\". I applied to about 170 to get this one, which is my second job out of grad school. I have a masters and a 3.9 GPA, but I feel like that meme image of Boromir shot with three arrows. What do, askengineers, what do?","c_root_id_A":"ggvq10t","c_root_id_B":"ggvmc5x","created_at_utc_A":1608795238,"created_at_utc_B":1608791840,"score_A":36,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Just wanted to start off by saying that this required a level of courage and you should feel proud that you are asking for help and seeking what might be the possible best method for help.  In Canada, and in about where I am there is the Workplace Safety and Insurance Board (WSIB).   Talk to your doctor about the stress your feeling, and the progression. In my personal feelings the drugs are not helping (not a Doctor). Stress is not a joke, I have seen how stress can change people including myself. Maybe ask your Doctor if he\/she knows anything about sick leave and see if your potentially able to help for sick leave from the WSIB.  If that works in your favor, take a couple days off then look for a new job. Just like u\/DMayo50 said   \" Ok. You are a highly educated professional. A person with limited education and little training can become stuck in a job they can\u2019t get out of. But you don\u2019t fit that description.  If your job is that bad, get out. If your recruiter is not finding you good opportunities, find another recruiter. There is zero reason to stick with only one recruiter, especially if that individual is. It getting you opportunities.  The best thing about education is that it gives you options. Recommend you broaden your search both geographically, and which positions you consider.\"  &#x200B;  I suggest looking into ...  https:\/\/aiac.ca\/member-directory\/ <- this is a link to all of the aerospace companies in Canada.   https:\/\/ca.linkedin.com\/jobs\/metallurgical-engineer-jobs?position=1&pageNum=0  https:\/\/www.jobbank.gc.ca\/marketreport\/jobs\/17862\/22437 (If you want to work in the Canadian Government it will make it easier on you if you had you and your immediate family to be Canadian residence due to the field you work in)  Also would like to mention that you have on the job experience, that means that means that it will be easier to get another job. (at least it should be, I think)  I hope you get this situation gets better.","human_ref_B":"Have you considered changing field to a less stressful one with more job opportunities and less nepotism?  Also, you should've spoken out at that meeting and said in front of everyone that you weren't getting extra leave, you were getting the hours already allocated. It's important to get the other employees on your side so you can unite against a bad boss.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3398.0,"score_ratio":4.0}
{"post_id":"kj9kkm","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My boss canceled our holiday break because I asked when a good time would be to take my vacation days, feeling down about my chances of having a career in our (small, incestuous) field I'm a metallurgical engineer at a forensic engineering firm in Canada. I've been in the doghouse since July since my boss, the business owner, found out that I was working 8+ hours\/day but not always taking my full (unpaid) lunch hour and leaving early. My coworkers all work varying hours and it was stressed to me that flexibility was normal and expected, but what I was doing was apparently a huge trespass on my boss's generosity and taking advantage of him. I am paid a salary.  This month I asked when a good time would be to take my remaining vacation days and didn't hear back, and we got busy anyway. As the month drew down and it looked like we were going to close over christmas\/new years anyway, I asked if I should request for my vacation days to be held over since there wouldn't be an opportunity to take them. My boss called me into a meeting this week with the other engineers where he announced that he'd changed company policy to forbid holding over vacation days and had cancelled the holiday break, so anyone with remaining vacation days could use them next week. The technicians don't get vacation days and are required to come in.  He told everyone about my nefarious scheme to get extra holidays by holding over my vacation time to next year, and that was taking advantage of him and was damaging to the business, because who would cover in terms of cash and manpower if he was forced to allow employees to take vacation time that had... already been allocated...  The good news is that I got a recording (Canada is one-party consent) that's now on multiple cloud services of him describing how he didn't plan on following our province's employment laws regarding vacation time, and stating that canceling winter break was to retaliate against me for requesting the vacation time offered to me in my employee contract, but in the end I'm feeling really down about this.  Trying to work here has been a drain on my sanity and health, and I've been looking for other employment basically since about 6 months in, but the recruiter calls dried up with COVID. I'm thinking of an interview I had with another forensic engineering firm where they said that their engineers had to handle 20+ active investigations, and that they knew my boss, and I just feel defeated.   I've got a massive industrial investigation going right now and a handful of insurance ones, and the workload is so heavy. I do my own labwork and my boss yells at me if I pass too much to the technicians. I read more papers every few months than I did for my whole masters. We've skirted COVID restrictions so I've still been in the office every day. I have no short term memory and took on 3 prescriptions to try to control all my stress-related illnesses.  How can I manage 20 files and take on full responsibility for the conclusions instead of filtering it through my boss? He shows me all the bad forensic reports that he tears to shreds and tells me about other young engineers who were run out of the industry, and how bad it is at other firms. Yeah, he's doing that to control me, but maybe that is how it is.  Everybody seems to know everybody in this field, and my boss will just tell all his contacts how I screwed him over unfairly. I want to solve these forensic mysteries and help clients, but that might mean letting my boss do what he wants, because I need the experience and references. I'm going to go for a consultation with an employment lawyer, but I'm discouraged because the legal remedy may be at best a small financial payout + getting blacklisted in the industry.  I also keep trying to compose something to send my boss to try to keep the peace until he finally fires me, but it keeps turning into \"hey taintmonger, vacation time per year is guaranteed by law and not something you get to bestow on or snatch away from your employees\".  This a \"woe is me\" post but I'm looking for some perspective from other engineers, which might be \"STFU at least you have a job right now\". I applied to about 170 to get this one, which is my second job out of grad school. I have a masters and a 3.9 GPA, but I feel like that meme image of Boromir shot with three arrows. What do, askengineers, what do?","c_root_id_A":"ggvq10t","c_root_id_B":"ggvn9wj","created_at_utc_A":1608795238,"created_at_utc_B":1608792659,"score_A":36,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Just wanted to start off by saying that this required a level of courage and you should feel proud that you are asking for help and seeking what might be the possible best method for help.  In Canada, and in about where I am there is the Workplace Safety and Insurance Board (WSIB).   Talk to your doctor about the stress your feeling, and the progression. In my personal feelings the drugs are not helping (not a Doctor). Stress is not a joke, I have seen how stress can change people including myself. Maybe ask your Doctor if he\/she knows anything about sick leave and see if your potentially able to help for sick leave from the WSIB.  If that works in your favor, take a couple days off then look for a new job. Just like u\/DMayo50 said   \" Ok. You are a highly educated professional. A person with limited education and little training can become stuck in a job they can\u2019t get out of. But you don\u2019t fit that description.  If your job is that bad, get out. If your recruiter is not finding you good opportunities, find another recruiter. There is zero reason to stick with only one recruiter, especially if that individual is. It getting you opportunities.  The best thing about education is that it gives you options. Recommend you broaden your search both geographically, and which positions you consider.\"  &#x200B;  I suggest looking into ...  https:\/\/aiac.ca\/member-directory\/ <- this is a link to all of the aerospace companies in Canada.   https:\/\/ca.linkedin.com\/jobs\/metallurgical-engineer-jobs?position=1&pageNum=0  https:\/\/www.jobbank.gc.ca\/marketreport\/jobs\/17862\/22437 (If you want to work in the Canadian Government it will make it easier on you if you had you and your immediate family to be Canadian residence due to the field you work in)  Also would like to mention that you have on the job experience, that means that means that it will be easier to get another job. (at least it should be, I think)  I hope you get this situation gets better.","human_ref_B":"If you send an email to him stating you will be taking leave over the holiday season, and that this is your legal entitlement, and cc the entire company, would they fire you, and if they do, would that not be a juicier lawsuit?  Maybe reach out to a legal advice sub on here and see what they think. Your being in an engineering role is not actually pertinent to the situation.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2579.0,"score_ratio":5.1428571429}
{"post_id":"kj9kkm","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My boss canceled our holiday break because I asked when a good time would be to take my vacation days, feeling down about my chances of having a career in our (small, incestuous) field I'm a metallurgical engineer at a forensic engineering firm in Canada. I've been in the doghouse since July since my boss, the business owner, found out that I was working 8+ hours\/day but not always taking my full (unpaid) lunch hour and leaving early. My coworkers all work varying hours and it was stressed to me that flexibility was normal and expected, but what I was doing was apparently a huge trespass on my boss's generosity and taking advantage of him. I am paid a salary.  This month I asked when a good time would be to take my remaining vacation days and didn't hear back, and we got busy anyway. As the month drew down and it looked like we were going to close over christmas\/new years anyway, I asked if I should request for my vacation days to be held over since there wouldn't be an opportunity to take them. My boss called me into a meeting this week with the other engineers where he announced that he'd changed company policy to forbid holding over vacation days and had cancelled the holiday break, so anyone with remaining vacation days could use them next week. The technicians don't get vacation days and are required to come in.  He told everyone about my nefarious scheme to get extra holidays by holding over my vacation time to next year, and that was taking advantage of him and was damaging to the business, because who would cover in terms of cash and manpower if he was forced to allow employees to take vacation time that had... already been allocated...  The good news is that I got a recording (Canada is one-party consent) that's now on multiple cloud services of him describing how he didn't plan on following our province's employment laws regarding vacation time, and stating that canceling winter break was to retaliate against me for requesting the vacation time offered to me in my employee contract, but in the end I'm feeling really down about this.  Trying to work here has been a drain on my sanity and health, and I've been looking for other employment basically since about 6 months in, but the recruiter calls dried up with COVID. I'm thinking of an interview I had with another forensic engineering firm where they said that their engineers had to handle 20+ active investigations, and that they knew my boss, and I just feel defeated.   I've got a massive industrial investigation going right now and a handful of insurance ones, and the workload is so heavy. I do my own labwork and my boss yells at me if I pass too much to the technicians. I read more papers every few months than I did for my whole masters. We've skirted COVID restrictions so I've still been in the office every day. I have no short term memory and took on 3 prescriptions to try to control all my stress-related illnesses.  How can I manage 20 files and take on full responsibility for the conclusions instead of filtering it through my boss? He shows me all the bad forensic reports that he tears to shreds and tells me about other young engineers who were run out of the industry, and how bad it is at other firms. Yeah, he's doing that to control me, but maybe that is how it is.  Everybody seems to know everybody in this field, and my boss will just tell all his contacts how I screwed him over unfairly. I want to solve these forensic mysteries and help clients, but that might mean letting my boss do what he wants, because I need the experience and references. I'm going to go for a consultation with an employment lawyer, but I'm discouraged because the legal remedy may be at best a small financial payout + getting blacklisted in the industry.  I also keep trying to compose something to send my boss to try to keep the peace until he finally fires me, but it keeps turning into \"hey taintmonger, vacation time per year is guaranteed by law and not something you get to bestow on or snatch away from your employees\".  This a \"woe is me\" post but I'm looking for some perspective from other engineers, which might be \"STFU at least you have a job right now\". I applied to about 170 to get this one, which is my second job out of grad school. I have a masters and a 3.9 GPA, but I feel like that meme image of Boromir shot with three arrows. What do, askengineers, what do?","c_root_id_A":"ggvq10t","c_root_id_B":"ggvnbcj","created_at_utc_A":1608795238,"created_at_utc_B":1608792694,"score_A":36,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Just wanted to start off by saying that this required a level of courage and you should feel proud that you are asking for help and seeking what might be the possible best method for help.  In Canada, and in about where I am there is the Workplace Safety and Insurance Board (WSIB).   Talk to your doctor about the stress your feeling, and the progression. In my personal feelings the drugs are not helping (not a Doctor). Stress is not a joke, I have seen how stress can change people including myself. Maybe ask your Doctor if he\/she knows anything about sick leave and see if your potentially able to help for sick leave from the WSIB.  If that works in your favor, take a couple days off then look for a new job. Just like u\/DMayo50 said   \" Ok. You are a highly educated professional. A person with limited education and little training can become stuck in a job they can\u2019t get out of. But you don\u2019t fit that description.  If your job is that bad, get out. If your recruiter is not finding you good opportunities, find another recruiter. There is zero reason to stick with only one recruiter, especially if that individual is. It getting you opportunities.  The best thing about education is that it gives you options. Recommend you broaden your search both geographically, and which positions you consider.\"  &#x200B;  I suggest looking into ...  https:\/\/aiac.ca\/member-directory\/ <- this is a link to all of the aerospace companies in Canada.   https:\/\/ca.linkedin.com\/jobs\/metallurgical-engineer-jobs?position=1&pageNum=0  https:\/\/www.jobbank.gc.ca\/marketreport\/jobs\/17862\/22437 (If you want to work in the Canadian Government it will make it easier on you if you had you and your immediate family to be Canadian residence due to the field you work in)  Also would like to mention that you have on the job experience, that means that means that it will be easier to get another job. (at least it should be, I think)  I hope you get this situation gets better.","human_ref_B":"If you're in a niche engineering field and have evidence against your boss that may be taken to court, I'm NAL but I think you need to remove this post","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2544.0,"score_ratio":6.0}
{"post_id":"kj9kkm","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My boss canceled our holiday break because I asked when a good time would be to take my vacation days, feeling down about my chances of having a career in our (small, incestuous) field I'm a metallurgical engineer at a forensic engineering firm in Canada. I've been in the doghouse since July since my boss, the business owner, found out that I was working 8+ hours\/day but not always taking my full (unpaid) lunch hour and leaving early. My coworkers all work varying hours and it was stressed to me that flexibility was normal and expected, but what I was doing was apparently a huge trespass on my boss's generosity and taking advantage of him. I am paid a salary.  This month I asked when a good time would be to take my remaining vacation days and didn't hear back, and we got busy anyway. As the month drew down and it looked like we were going to close over christmas\/new years anyway, I asked if I should request for my vacation days to be held over since there wouldn't be an opportunity to take them. My boss called me into a meeting this week with the other engineers where he announced that he'd changed company policy to forbid holding over vacation days and had cancelled the holiday break, so anyone with remaining vacation days could use them next week. The technicians don't get vacation days and are required to come in.  He told everyone about my nefarious scheme to get extra holidays by holding over my vacation time to next year, and that was taking advantage of him and was damaging to the business, because who would cover in terms of cash and manpower if he was forced to allow employees to take vacation time that had... already been allocated...  The good news is that I got a recording (Canada is one-party consent) that's now on multiple cloud services of him describing how he didn't plan on following our province's employment laws regarding vacation time, and stating that canceling winter break was to retaliate against me for requesting the vacation time offered to me in my employee contract, but in the end I'm feeling really down about this.  Trying to work here has been a drain on my sanity and health, and I've been looking for other employment basically since about 6 months in, but the recruiter calls dried up with COVID. I'm thinking of an interview I had with another forensic engineering firm where they said that their engineers had to handle 20+ active investigations, and that they knew my boss, and I just feel defeated.   I've got a massive industrial investigation going right now and a handful of insurance ones, and the workload is so heavy. I do my own labwork and my boss yells at me if I pass too much to the technicians. I read more papers every few months than I did for my whole masters. We've skirted COVID restrictions so I've still been in the office every day. I have no short term memory and took on 3 prescriptions to try to control all my stress-related illnesses.  How can I manage 20 files and take on full responsibility for the conclusions instead of filtering it through my boss? He shows me all the bad forensic reports that he tears to shreds and tells me about other young engineers who were run out of the industry, and how bad it is at other firms. Yeah, he's doing that to control me, but maybe that is how it is.  Everybody seems to know everybody in this field, and my boss will just tell all his contacts how I screwed him over unfairly. I want to solve these forensic mysteries and help clients, but that might mean letting my boss do what he wants, because I need the experience and references. I'm going to go for a consultation with an employment lawyer, but I'm discouraged because the legal remedy may be at best a small financial payout + getting blacklisted in the industry.  I also keep trying to compose something to send my boss to try to keep the peace until he finally fires me, but it keeps turning into \"hey taintmonger, vacation time per year is guaranteed by law and not something you get to bestow on or snatch away from your employees\".  This a \"woe is me\" post but I'm looking for some perspective from other engineers, which might be \"STFU at least you have a job right now\". I applied to about 170 to get this one, which is my second job out of grad school. I have a masters and a 3.9 GPA, but I feel like that meme image of Boromir shot with three arrows. What do, askengineers, what do?","c_root_id_A":"ggvldwl","c_root_id_B":"ggvmlzg","created_at_utc_A":1608791019,"created_at_utc_B":1608792076,"score_A":9,"score_B":23,"human_ref_A":"I hope they don\u2019t make you do your sample prep because that is just a waste of time if you have technicians. Honestly if you can stand it stay the course and update your resume and look for something else. Then turn him in once you have something lined up. Mining seems to be doing ok have you looked that way?","human_ref_B":"I would recommend finding a new job yourself.  &#x200B;  Search terms I would recommend Googling are \"Indeed job metallurgical engineer\", or the same with Glassdoor instead of Indeed.  Then fire off resumes everyday to any of these jobs within commuting distance.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1057.0,"score_ratio":2.5555555556}
{"post_id":"kj9kkm","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My boss canceled our holiday break because I asked when a good time would be to take my vacation days, feeling down about my chances of having a career in our (small, incestuous) field I'm a metallurgical engineer at a forensic engineering firm in Canada. I've been in the doghouse since July since my boss, the business owner, found out that I was working 8+ hours\/day but not always taking my full (unpaid) lunch hour and leaving early. My coworkers all work varying hours and it was stressed to me that flexibility was normal and expected, but what I was doing was apparently a huge trespass on my boss's generosity and taking advantage of him. I am paid a salary.  This month I asked when a good time would be to take my remaining vacation days and didn't hear back, and we got busy anyway. As the month drew down and it looked like we were going to close over christmas\/new years anyway, I asked if I should request for my vacation days to be held over since there wouldn't be an opportunity to take them. My boss called me into a meeting this week with the other engineers where he announced that he'd changed company policy to forbid holding over vacation days and had cancelled the holiday break, so anyone with remaining vacation days could use them next week. The technicians don't get vacation days and are required to come in.  He told everyone about my nefarious scheme to get extra holidays by holding over my vacation time to next year, and that was taking advantage of him and was damaging to the business, because who would cover in terms of cash and manpower if he was forced to allow employees to take vacation time that had... already been allocated...  The good news is that I got a recording (Canada is one-party consent) that's now on multiple cloud services of him describing how he didn't plan on following our province's employment laws regarding vacation time, and stating that canceling winter break was to retaliate against me for requesting the vacation time offered to me in my employee contract, but in the end I'm feeling really down about this.  Trying to work here has been a drain on my sanity and health, and I've been looking for other employment basically since about 6 months in, but the recruiter calls dried up with COVID. I'm thinking of an interview I had with another forensic engineering firm where they said that their engineers had to handle 20+ active investigations, and that they knew my boss, and I just feel defeated.   I've got a massive industrial investigation going right now and a handful of insurance ones, and the workload is so heavy. I do my own labwork and my boss yells at me if I pass too much to the technicians. I read more papers every few months than I did for my whole masters. We've skirted COVID restrictions so I've still been in the office every day. I have no short term memory and took on 3 prescriptions to try to control all my stress-related illnesses.  How can I manage 20 files and take on full responsibility for the conclusions instead of filtering it through my boss? He shows me all the bad forensic reports that he tears to shreds and tells me about other young engineers who were run out of the industry, and how bad it is at other firms. Yeah, he's doing that to control me, but maybe that is how it is.  Everybody seems to know everybody in this field, and my boss will just tell all his contacts how I screwed him over unfairly. I want to solve these forensic mysteries and help clients, but that might mean letting my boss do what he wants, because I need the experience and references. I'm going to go for a consultation with an employment lawyer, but I'm discouraged because the legal remedy may be at best a small financial payout + getting blacklisted in the industry.  I also keep trying to compose something to send my boss to try to keep the peace until he finally fires me, but it keeps turning into \"hey taintmonger, vacation time per year is guaranteed by law and not something you get to bestow on or snatch away from your employees\".  This a \"woe is me\" post but I'm looking for some perspective from other engineers, which might be \"STFU at least you have a job right now\". I applied to about 170 to get this one, which is my second job out of grad school. I have a masters and a 3.9 GPA, but I feel like that meme image of Boromir shot with three arrows. What do, askengineers, what do?","c_root_id_A":"ggvmlzg","c_root_id_B":"ggvmc5x","created_at_utc_A":1608792076,"created_at_utc_B":1608791840,"score_A":23,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"I would recommend finding a new job yourself.  &#x200B;  Search terms I would recommend Googling are \"Indeed job metallurgical engineer\", or the same with Glassdoor instead of Indeed.  Then fire off resumes everyday to any of these jobs within commuting distance.","human_ref_B":"Have you considered changing field to a less stressful one with more job opportunities and less nepotism?  Also, you should've spoken out at that meeting and said in front of everyone that you weren't getting extra leave, you were getting the hours already allocated. It's important to get the other employees on your side so you can unite against a bad boss.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":236.0,"score_ratio":2.5555555556}
{"post_id":"kj9kkm","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My boss canceled our holiday break because I asked when a good time would be to take my vacation days, feeling down about my chances of having a career in our (small, incestuous) field I'm a metallurgical engineer at a forensic engineering firm in Canada. I've been in the doghouse since July since my boss, the business owner, found out that I was working 8+ hours\/day but not always taking my full (unpaid) lunch hour and leaving early. My coworkers all work varying hours and it was stressed to me that flexibility was normal and expected, but what I was doing was apparently a huge trespass on my boss's generosity and taking advantage of him. I am paid a salary.  This month I asked when a good time would be to take my remaining vacation days and didn't hear back, and we got busy anyway. As the month drew down and it looked like we were going to close over christmas\/new years anyway, I asked if I should request for my vacation days to be held over since there wouldn't be an opportunity to take them. My boss called me into a meeting this week with the other engineers where he announced that he'd changed company policy to forbid holding over vacation days and had cancelled the holiday break, so anyone with remaining vacation days could use them next week. The technicians don't get vacation days and are required to come in.  He told everyone about my nefarious scheme to get extra holidays by holding over my vacation time to next year, and that was taking advantage of him and was damaging to the business, because who would cover in terms of cash and manpower if he was forced to allow employees to take vacation time that had... already been allocated...  The good news is that I got a recording (Canada is one-party consent) that's now on multiple cloud services of him describing how he didn't plan on following our province's employment laws regarding vacation time, and stating that canceling winter break was to retaliate against me for requesting the vacation time offered to me in my employee contract, but in the end I'm feeling really down about this.  Trying to work here has been a drain on my sanity and health, and I've been looking for other employment basically since about 6 months in, but the recruiter calls dried up with COVID. I'm thinking of an interview I had with another forensic engineering firm where they said that their engineers had to handle 20+ active investigations, and that they knew my boss, and I just feel defeated.   I've got a massive industrial investigation going right now and a handful of insurance ones, and the workload is so heavy. I do my own labwork and my boss yells at me if I pass too much to the technicians. I read more papers every few months than I did for my whole masters. We've skirted COVID restrictions so I've still been in the office every day. I have no short term memory and took on 3 prescriptions to try to control all my stress-related illnesses.  How can I manage 20 files and take on full responsibility for the conclusions instead of filtering it through my boss? He shows me all the bad forensic reports that he tears to shreds and tells me about other young engineers who were run out of the industry, and how bad it is at other firms. Yeah, he's doing that to control me, but maybe that is how it is.  Everybody seems to know everybody in this field, and my boss will just tell all his contacts how I screwed him over unfairly. I want to solve these forensic mysteries and help clients, but that might mean letting my boss do what he wants, because I need the experience and references. I'm going to go for a consultation with an employment lawyer, but I'm discouraged because the legal remedy may be at best a small financial payout + getting blacklisted in the industry.  I also keep trying to compose something to send my boss to try to keep the peace until he finally fires me, but it keeps turning into \"hey taintmonger, vacation time per year is guaranteed by law and not something you get to bestow on or snatch away from your employees\".  This a \"woe is me\" post but I'm looking for some perspective from other engineers, which might be \"STFU at least you have a job right now\". I applied to about 170 to get this one, which is my second job out of grad school. I have a masters and a 3.9 GPA, but I feel like that meme image of Boromir shot with three arrows. What do, askengineers, what do?","c_root_id_A":"ggvldwl","c_root_id_B":"ggvsqll","created_at_utc_A":1608791019,"created_at_utc_B":1608797949,"score_A":9,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"I hope they don\u2019t make you do your sample prep because that is just a waste of time if you have technicians. Honestly if you can stand it stay the course and update your resume and look for something else. Then turn him in once you have something lined up. Mining seems to be doing ok have you looked that way?","human_ref_B":"Good leaders praise in public and admonish in private. Your boss sounds like the opposite of a good leader. Don't feel guilty in the slightest, this is a \"them\" problem, not a \"you\" problem.  Look for a new job (keep an open mind as to the specific field), keep track of the abuses with dates and times, and most importantly don't beat yourself up.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6930.0,"score_ratio":1.2222222222}
{"post_id":"kj9kkm","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My boss canceled our holiday break because I asked when a good time would be to take my vacation days, feeling down about my chances of having a career in our (small, incestuous) field I'm a metallurgical engineer at a forensic engineering firm in Canada. I've been in the doghouse since July since my boss, the business owner, found out that I was working 8+ hours\/day but not always taking my full (unpaid) lunch hour and leaving early. My coworkers all work varying hours and it was stressed to me that flexibility was normal and expected, but what I was doing was apparently a huge trespass on my boss's generosity and taking advantage of him. I am paid a salary.  This month I asked when a good time would be to take my remaining vacation days and didn't hear back, and we got busy anyway. As the month drew down and it looked like we were going to close over christmas\/new years anyway, I asked if I should request for my vacation days to be held over since there wouldn't be an opportunity to take them. My boss called me into a meeting this week with the other engineers where he announced that he'd changed company policy to forbid holding over vacation days and had cancelled the holiday break, so anyone with remaining vacation days could use them next week. The technicians don't get vacation days and are required to come in.  He told everyone about my nefarious scheme to get extra holidays by holding over my vacation time to next year, and that was taking advantage of him and was damaging to the business, because who would cover in terms of cash and manpower if he was forced to allow employees to take vacation time that had... already been allocated...  The good news is that I got a recording (Canada is one-party consent) that's now on multiple cloud services of him describing how he didn't plan on following our province's employment laws regarding vacation time, and stating that canceling winter break was to retaliate against me for requesting the vacation time offered to me in my employee contract, but in the end I'm feeling really down about this.  Trying to work here has been a drain on my sanity and health, and I've been looking for other employment basically since about 6 months in, but the recruiter calls dried up with COVID. I'm thinking of an interview I had with another forensic engineering firm where they said that their engineers had to handle 20+ active investigations, and that they knew my boss, and I just feel defeated.   I've got a massive industrial investigation going right now and a handful of insurance ones, and the workload is so heavy. I do my own labwork and my boss yells at me if I pass too much to the technicians. I read more papers every few months than I did for my whole masters. We've skirted COVID restrictions so I've still been in the office every day. I have no short term memory and took on 3 prescriptions to try to control all my stress-related illnesses.  How can I manage 20 files and take on full responsibility for the conclusions instead of filtering it through my boss? He shows me all the bad forensic reports that he tears to shreds and tells me about other young engineers who were run out of the industry, and how bad it is at other firms. Yeah, he's doing that to control me, but maybe that is how it is.  Everybody seems to know everybody in this field, and my boss will just tell all his contacts how I screwed him over unfairly. I want to solve these forensic mysteries and help clients, but that might mean letting my boss do what he wants, because I need the experience and references. I'm going to go for a consultation with an employment lawyer, but I'm discouraged because the legal remedy may be at best a small financial payout + getting blacklisted in the industry.  I also keep trying to compose something to send my boss to try to keep the peace until he finally fires me, but it keeps turning into \"hey taintmonger, vacation time per year is guaranteed by law and not something you get to bestow on or snatch away from your employees\".  This a \"woe is me\" post but I'm looking for some perspective from other engineers, which might be \"STFU at least you have a job right now\". I applied to about 170 to get this one, which is my second job out of grad school. I have a masters and a 3.9 GPA, but I feel like that meme image of Boromir shot with three arrows. What do, askengineers, what do?","c_root_id_A":"ggvmc5x","c_root_id_B":"ggvsqll","created_at_utc_A":1608791840,"created_at_utc_B":1608797949,"score_A":9,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"Have you considered changing field to a less stressful one with more job opportunities and less nepotism?  Also, you should've spoken out at that meeting and said in front of everyone that you weren't getting extra leave, you were getting the hours already allocated. It's important to get the other employees on your side so you can unite against a bad boss.","human_ref_B":"Good leaders praise in public and admonish in private. Your boss sounds like the opposite of a good leader. Don't feel guilty in the slightest, this is a \"them\" problem, not a \"you\" problem.  Look for a new job (keep an open mind as to the specific field), keep track of the abuses with dates and times, and most importantly don't beat yourself up.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6109.0,"score_ratio":1.2222222222}
{"post_id":"kj9kkm","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My boss canceled our holiday break because I asked when a good time would be to take my vacation days, feeling down about my chances of having a career in our (small, incestuous) field I'm a metallurgical engineer at a forensic engineering firm in Canada. I've been in the doghouse since July since my boss, the business owner, found out that I was working 8+ hours\/day but not always taking my full (unpaid) lunch hour and leaving early. My coworkers all work varying hours and it was stressed to me that flexibility was normal and expected, but what I was doing was apparently a huge trespass on my boss's generosity and taking advantage of him. I am paid a salary.  This month I asked when a good time would be to take my remaining vacation days and didn't hear back, and we got busy anyway. As the month drew down and it looked like we were going to close over christmas\/new years anyway, I asked if I should request for my vacation days to be held over since there wouldn't be an opportunity to take them. My boss called me into a meeting this week with the other engineers where he announced that he'd changed company policy to forbid holding over vacation days and had cancelled the holiday break, so anyone with remaining vacation days could use them next week. The technicians don't get vacation days and are required to come in.  He told everyone about my nefarious scheme to get extra holidays by holding over my vacation time to next year, and that was taking advantage of him and was damaging to the business, because who would cover in terms of cash and manpower if he was forced to allow employees to take vacation time that had... already been allocated...  The good news is that I got a recording (Canada is one-party consent) that's now on multiple cloud services of him describing how he didn't plan on following our province's employment laws regarding vacation time, and stating that canceling winter break was to retaliate against me for requesting the vacation time offered to me in my employee contract, but in the end I'm feeling really down about this.  Trying to work here has been a drain on my sanity and health, and I've been looking for other employment basically since about 6 months in, but the recruiter calls dried up with COVID. I'm thinking of an interview I had with another forensic engineering firm where they said that their engineers had to handle 20+ active investigations, and that they knew my boss, and I just feel defeated.   I've got a massive industrial investigation going right now and a handful of insurance ones, and the workload is so heavy. I do my own labwork and my boss yells at me if I pass too much to the technicians. I read more papers every few months than I did for my whole masters. We've skirted COVID restrictions so I've still been in the office every day. I have no short term memory and took on 3 prescriptions to try to control all my stress-related illnesses.  How can I manage 20 files and take on full responsibility for the conclusions instead of filtering it through my boss? He shows me all the bad forensic reports that he tears to shreds and tells me about other young engineers who were run out of the industry, and how bad it is at other firms. Yeah, he's doing that to control me, but maybe that is how it is.  Everybody seems to know everybody in this field, and my boss will just tell all his contacts how I screwed him over unfairly. I want to solve these forensic mysteries and help clients, but that might mean letting my boss do what he wants, because I need the experience and references. I'm going to go for a consultation with an employment lawyer, but I'm discouraged because the legal remedy may be at best a small financial payout + getting blacklisted in the industry.  I also keep trying to compose something to send my boss to try to keep the peace until he finally fires me, but it keeps turning into \"hey taintmonger, vacation time per year is guaranteed by law and not something you get to bestow on or snatch away from your employees\".  This a \"woe is me\" post but I'm looking for some perspective from other engineers, which might be \"STFU at least you have a job right now\". I applied to about 170 to get this one, which is my second job out of grad school. I have a masters and a 3.9 GPA, but I feel like that meme image of Boromir shot with three arrows. What do, askengineers, what do?","c_root_id_A":"ggvsqll","c_root_id_B":"ggvn9wj","created_at_utc_A":1608797949,"created_at_utc_B":1608792659,"score_A":11,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Good leaders praise in public and admonish in private. Your boss sounds like the opposite of a good leader. Don't feel guilty in the slightest, this is a \"them\" problem, not a \"you\" problem.  Look for a new job (keep an open mind as to the specific field), keep track of the abuses with dates and times, and most importantly don't beat yourself up.","human_ref_B":"If you send an email to him stating you will be taking leave over the holiday season, and that this is your legal entitlement, and cc the entire company, would they fire you, and if they do, would that not be a juicier lawsuit?  Maybe reach out to a legal advice sub on here and see what they think. Your being in an engineering role is not actually pertinent to the situation.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5290.0,"score_ratio":1.5714285714}
{"post_id":"kj9kkm","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My boss canceled our holiday break because I asked when a good time would be to take my vacation days, feeling down about my chances of having a career in our (small, incestuous) field I'm a metallurgical engineer at a forensic engineering firm in Canada. I've been in the doghouse since July since my boss, the business owner, found out that I was working 8+ hours\/day but not always taking my full (unpaid) lunch hour and leaving early. My coworkers all work varying hours and it was stressed to me that flexibility was normal and expected, but what I was doing was apparently a huge trespass on my boss's generosity and taking advantage of him. I am paid a salary.  This month I asked when a good time would be to take my remaining vacation days and didn't hear back, and we got busy anyway. As the month drew down and it looked like we were going to close over christmas\/new years anyway, I asked if I should request for my vacation days to be held over since there wouldn't be an opportunity to take them. My boss called me into a meeting this week with the other engineers where he announced that he'd changed company policy to forbid holding over vacation days and had cancelled the holiday break, so anyone with remaining vacation days could use them next week. The technicians don't get vacation days and are required to come in.  He told everyone about my nefarious scheme to get extra holidays by holding over my vacation time to next year, and that was taking advantage of him and was damaging to the business, because who would cover in terms of cash and manpower if he was forced to allow employees to take vacation time that had... already been allocated...  The good news is that I got a recording (Canada is one-party consent) that's now on multiple cloud services of him describing how he didn't plan on following our province's employment laws regarding vacation time, and stating that canceling winter break was to retaliate against me for requesting the vacation time offered to me in my employee contract, but in the end I'm feeling really down about this.  Trying to work here has been a drain on my sanity and health, and I've been looking for other employment basically since about 6 months in, but the recruiter calls dried up with COVID. I'm thinking of an interview I had with another forensic engineering firm where they said that their engineers had to handle 20+ active investigations, and that they knew my boss, and I just feel defeated.   I've got a massive industrial investigation going right now and a handful of insurance ones, and the workload is so heavy. I do my own labwork and my boss yells at me if I pass too much to the technicians. I read more papers every few months than I did for my whole masters. We've skirted COVID restrictions so I've still been in the office every day. I have no short term memory and took on 3 prescriptions to try to control all my stress-related illnesses.  How can I manage 20 files and take on full responsibility for the conclusions instead of filtering it through my boss? He shows me all the bad forensic reports that he tears to shreds and tells me about other young engineers who were run out of the industry, and how bad it is at other firms. Yeah, he's doing that to control me, but maybe that is how it is.  Everybody seems to know everybody in this field, and my boss will just tell all his contacts how I screwed him over unfairly. I want to solve these forensic mysteries and help clients, but that might mean letting my boss do what he wants, because I need the experience and references. I'm going to go for a consultation with an employment lawyer, but I'm discouraged because the legal remedy may be at best a small financial payout + getting blacklisted in the industry.  I also keep trying to compose something to send my boss to try to keep the peace until he finally fires me, but it keeps turning into \"hey taintmonger, vacation time per year is guaranteed by law and not something you get to bestow on or snatch away from your employees\".  This a \"woe is me\" post but I'm looking for some perspective from other engineers, which might be \"STFU at least you have a job right now\". I applied to about 170 to get this one, which is my second job out of grad school. I have a masters and a 3.9 GPA, but I feel like that meme image of Boromir shot with three arrows. What do, askengineers, what do?","c_root_id_A":"ggvnbcj","c_root_id_B":"ggvsqll","created_at_utc_A":1608792694,"created_at_utc_B":1608797949,"score_A":6,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"If you're in a niche engineering field and have evidence against your boss that may be taken to court, I'm NAL but I think you need to remove this post","human_ref_B":"Good leaders praise in public and admonish in private. Your boss sounds like the opposite of a good leader. Don't feel guilty in the slightest, this is a \"them\" problem, not a \"you\" problem.  Look for a new job (keep an open mind as to the specific field), keep track of the abuses with dates and times, and most importantly don't beat yourself up.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5255.0,"score_ratio":1.8333333333}
{"post_id":"kj9kkm","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My boss canceled our holiday break because I asked when a good time would be to take my vacation days, feeling down about my chances of having a career in our (small, incestuous) field I'm a metallurgical engineer at a forensic engineering firm in Canada. I've been in the doghouse since July since my boss, the business owner, found out that I was working 8+ hours\/day but not always taking my full (unpaid) lunch hour and leaving early. My coworkers all work varying hours and it was stressed to me that flexibility was normal and expected, but what I was doing was apparently a huge trespass on my boss's generosity and taking advantage of him. I am paid a salary.  This month I asked when a good time would be to take my remaining vacation days and didn't hear back, and we got busy anyway. As the month drew down and it looked like we were going to close over christmas\/new years anyway, I asked if I should request for my vacation days to be held over since there wouldn't be an opportunity to take them. My boss called me into a meeting this week with the other engineers where he announced that he'd changed company policy to forbid holding over vacation days and had cancelled the holiday break, so anyone with remaining vacation days could use them next week. The technicians don't get vacation days and are required to come in.  He told everyone about my nefarious scheme to get extra holidays by holding over my vacation time to next year, and that was taking advantage of him and was damaging to the business, because who would cover in terms of cash and manpower if he was forced to allow employees to take vacation time that had... already been allocated...  The good news is that I got a recording (Canada is one-party consent) that's now on multiple cloud services of him describing how he didn't plan on following our province's employment laws regarding vacation time, and stating that canceling winter break was to retaliate against me for requesting the vacation time offered to me in my employee contract, but in the end I'm feeling really down about this.  Trying to work here has been a drain on my sanity and health, and I've been looking for other employment basically since about 6 months in, but the recruiter calls dried up with COVID. I'm thinking of an interview I had with another forensic engineering firm where they said that their engineers had to handle 20+ active investigations, and that they knew my boss, and I just feel defeated.   I've got a massive industrial investigation going right now and a handful of insurance ones, and the workload is so heavy. I do my own labwork and my boss yells at me if I pass too much to the technicians. I read more papers every few months than I did for my whole masters. We've skirted COVID restrictions so I've still been in the office every day. I have no short term memory and took on 3 prescriptions to try to control all my stress-related illnesses.  How can I manage 20 files and take on full responsibility for the conclusions instead of filtering it through my boss? He shows me all the bad forensic reports that he tears to shreds and tells me about other young engineers who were run out of the industry, and how bad it is at other firms. Yeah, he's doing that to control me, but maybe that is how it is.  Everybody seems to know everybody in this field, and my boss will just tell all his contacts how I screwed him over unfairly. I want to solve these forensic mysteries and help clients, but that might mean letting my boss do what he wants, because I need the experience and references. I'm going to go for a consultation with an employment lawyer, but I'm discouraged because the legal remedy may be at best a small financial payout + getting blacklisted in the industry.  I also keep trying to compose something to send my boss to try to keep the peace until he finally fires me, but it keeps turning into \"hey taintmonger, vacation time per year is guaranteed by law and not something you get to bestow on or snatch away from your employees\".  This a \"woe is me\" post but I'm looking for some perspective from other engineers, which might be \"STFU at least you have a job right now\". I applied to about 170 to get this one, which is my second job out of grad school. I have a masters and a 3.9 GPA, but I feel like that meme image of Boromir shot with three arrows. What do, askengineers, what do?","c_root_id_A":"ggvn9wj","c_root_id_B":"ggwkv56","created_at_utc_A":1608792659,"created_at_utc_B":1608823765,"score_A":7,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"If you send an email to him stating you will be taking leave over the holiday season, and that this is your legal entitlement, and cc the entire company, would they fire you, and if they do, would that not be a juicier lawsuit?  Maybe reach out to a legal advice sub on here and see what they think. Your being in an engineering role is not actually pertinent to the situation.","human_ref_B":"You earn vacation.  It's not an entitlement.  Withholding it is the same as withholding your paycheck.  Maybe if you leave it will give others the courage to follow.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":31106.0,"score_ratio":1.2857142857}
{"post_id":"kj9kkm","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My boss canceled our holiday break because I asked when a good time would be to take my vacation days, feeling down about my chances of having a career in our (small, incestuous) field I'm a metallurgical engineer at a forensic engineering firm in Canada. I've been in the doghouse since July since my boss, the business owner, found out that I was working 8+ hours\/day but not always taking my full (unpaid) lunch hour and leaving early. My coworkers all work varying hours and it was stressed to me that flexibility was normal and expected, but what I was doing was apparently a huge trespass on my boss's generosity and taking advantage of him. I am paid a salary.  This month I asked when a good time would be to take my remaining vacation days and didn't hear back, and we got busy anyway. As the month drew down and it looked like we were going to close over christmas\/new years anyway, I asked if I should request for my vacation days to be held over since there wouldn't be an opportunity to take them. My boss called me into a meeting this week with the other engineers where he announced that he'd changed company policy to forbid holding over vacation days and had cancelled the holiday break, so anyone with remaining vacation days could use them next week. The technicians don't get vacation days and are required to come in.  He told everyone about my nefarious scheme to get extra holidays by holding over my vacation time to next year, and that was taking advantage of him and was damaging to the business, because who would cover in terms of cash and manpower if he was forced to allow employees to take vacation time that had... already been allocated...  The good news is that I got a recording (Canada is one-party consent) that's now on multiple cloud services of him describing how he didn't plan on following our province's employment laws regarding vacation time, and stating that canceling winter break was to retaliate against me for requesting the vacation time offered to me in my employee contract, but in the end I'm feeling really down about this.  Trying to work here has been a drain on my sanity and health, and I've been looking for other employment basically since about 6 months in, but the recruiter calls dried up with COVID. I'm thinking of an interview I had with another forensic engineering firm where they said that their engineers had to handle 20+ active investigations, and that they knew my boss, and I just feel defeated.   I've got a massive industrial investigation going right now and a handful of insurance ones, and the workload is so heavy. I do my own labwork and my boss yells at me if I pass too much to the technicians. I read more papers every few months than I did for my whole masters. We've skirted COVID restrictions so I've still been in the office every day. I have no short term memory and took on 3 prescriptions to try to control all my stress-related illnesses.  How can I manage 20 files and take on full responsibility for the conclusions instead of filtering it through my boss? He shows me all the bad forensic reports that he tears to shreds and tells me about other young engineers who were run out of the industry, and how bad it is at other firms. Yeah, he's doing that to control me, but maybe that is how it is.  Everybody seems to know everybody in this field, and my boss will just tell all his contacts how I screwed him over unfairly. I want to solve these forensic mysteries and help clients, but that might mean letting my boss do what he wants, because I need the experience and references. I'm going to go for a consultation with an employment lawyer, but I'm discouraged because the legal remedy may be at best a small financial payout + getting blacklisted in the industry.  I also keep trying to compose something to send my boss to try to keep the peace until he finally fires me, but it keeps turning into \"hey taintmonger, vacation time per year is guaranteed by law and not something you get to bestow on or snatch away from your employees\".  This a \"woe is me\" post but I'm looking for some perspective from other engineers, which might be \"STFU at least you have a job right now\". I applied to about 170 to get this one, which is my second job out of grad school. I have a masters and a 3.9 GPA, but I feel like that meme image of Boromir shot with three arrows. What do, askengineers, what do?","c_root_id_A":"ggvyjsf","c_root_id_B":"ggwkv56","created_at_utc_A":1608804366,"created_at_utc_B":1608823765,"score_A":7,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Hey dude,   There's some good stuff in this thread, but make sure you have a chat with someone about how you feel. The tone of your post is one of stress. Please look after yourself OP.   Also, your boss is a dick and you need a new job.","human_ref_B":"You earn vacation.  It's not an entitlement.  Withholding it is the same as withholding your paycheck.  Maybe if you leave it will give others the courage to follow.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":19399.0,"score_ratio":1.2857142857}
{"post_id":"kj9kkm","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My boss canceled our holiday break because I asked when a good time would be to take my vacation days, feeling down about my chances of having a career in our (small, incestuous) field I'm a metallurgical engineer at a forensic engineering firm in Canada. I've been in the doghouse since July since my boss, the business owner, found out that I was working 8+ hours\/day but not always taking my full (unpaid) lunch hour and leaving early. My coworkers all work varying hours and it was stressed to me that flexibility was normal and expected, but what I was doing was apparently a huge trespass on my boss's generosity and taking advantage of him. I am paid a salary.  This month I asked when a good time would be to take my remaining vacation days and didn't hear back, and we got busy anyway. As the month drew down and it looked like we were going to close over christmas\/new years anyway, I asked if I should request for my vacation days to be held over since there wouldn't be an opportunity to take them. My boss called me into a meeting this week with the other engineers where he announced that he'd changed company policy to forbid holding over vacation days and had cancelled the holiday break, so anyone with remaining vacation days could use them next week. The technicians don't get vacation days and are required to come in.  He told everyone about my nefarious scheme to get extra holidays by holding over my vacation time to next year, and that was taking advantage of him and was damaging to the business, because who would cover in terms of cash and manpower if he was forced to allow employees to take vacation time that had... already been allocated...  The good news is that I got a recording (Canada is one-party consent) that's now on multiple cloud services of him describing how he didn't plan on following our province's employment laws regarding vacation time, and stating that canceling winter break was to retaliate against me for requesting the vacation time offered to me in my employee contract, but in the end I'm feeling really down about this.  Trying to work here has been a drain on my sanity and health, and I've been looking for other employment basically since about 6 months in, but the recruiter calls dried up with COVID. I'm thinking of an interview I had with another forensic engineering firm where they said that their engineers had to handle 20+ active investigations, and that they knew my boss, and I just feel defeated.   I've got a massive industrial investigation going right now and a handful of insurance ones, and the workload is so heavy. I do my own labwork and my boss yells at me if I pass too much to the technicians. I read more papers every few months than I did for my whole masters. We've skirted COVID restrictions so I've still been in the office every day. I have no short term memory and took on 3 prescriptions to try to control all my stress-related illnesses.  How can I manage 20 files and take on full responsibility for the conclusions instead of filtering it through my boss? He shows me all the bad forensic reports that he tears to shreds and tells me about other young engineers who were run out of the industry, and how bad it is at other firms. Yeah, he's doing that to control me, but maybe that is how it is.  Everybody seems to know everybody in this field, and my boss will just tell all his contacts how I screwed him over unfairly. I want to solve these forensic mysteries and help clients, but that might mean letting my boss do what he wants, because I need the experience and references. I'm going to go for a consultation with an employment lawyer, but I'm discouraged because the legal remedy may be at best a small financial payout + getting blacklisted in the industry.  I also keep trying to compose something to send my boss to try to keep the peace until he finally fires me, but it keeps turning into \"hey taintmonger, vacation time per year is guaranteed by law and not something you get to bestow on or snatch away from your employees\".  This a \"woe is me\" post but I'm looking for some perspective from other engineers, which might be \"STFU at least you have a job right now\". I applied to about 170 to get this one, which is my second job out of grad school. I have a masters and a 3.9 GPA, but I feel like that meme image of Boromir shot with three arrows. What do, askengineers, what do?","c_root_id_A":"ggwkv56","c_root_id_B":"ggvnbcj","created_at_utc_A":1608823765,"created_at_utc_B":1608792694,"score_A":9,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"You earn vacation.  It's not an entitlement.  Withholding it is the same as withholding your paycheck.  Maybe if you leave it will give others the courage to follow.","human_ref_B":"If you're in a niche engineering field and have evidence against your boss that may be taken to court, I'm NAL but I think you need to remove this post","labels":1,"seconds_difference":31071.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"kj9kkm","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My boss canceled our holiday break because I asked when a good time would be to take my vacation days, feeling down about my chances of having a career in our (small, incestuous) field I'm a metallurgical engineer at a forensic engineering firm in Canada. I've been in the doghouse since July since my boss, the business owner, found out that I was working 8+ hours\/day but not always taking my full (unpaid) lunch hour and leaving early. My coworkers all work varying hours and it was stressed to me that flexibility was normal and expected, but what I was doing was apparently a huge trespass on my boss's generosity and taking advantage of him. I am paid a salary.  This month I asked when a good time would be to take my remaining vacation days and didn't hear back, and we got busy anyway. As the month drew down and it looked like we were going to close over christmas\/new years anyway, I asked if I should request for my vacation days to be held over since there wouldn't be an opportunity to take them. My boss called me into a meeting this week with the other engineers where he announced that he'd changed company policy to forbid holding over vacation days and had cancelled the holiday break, so anyone with remaining vacation days could use them next week. The technicians don't get vacation days and are required to come in.  He told everyone about my nefarious scheme to get extra holidays by holding over my vacation time to next year, and that was taking advantage of him and was damaging to the business, because who would cover in terms of cash and manpower if he was forced to allow employees to take vacation time that had... already been allocated...  The good news is that I got a recording (Canada is one-party consent) that's now on multiple cloud services of him describing how he didn't plan on following our province's employment laws regarding vacation time, and stating that canceling winter break was to retaliate against me for requesting the vacation time offered to me in my employee contract, but in the end I'm feeling really down about this.  Trying to work here has been a drain on my sanity and health, and I've been looking for other employment basically since about 6 months in, but the recruiter calls dried up with COVID. I'm thinking of an interview I had with another forensic engineering firm where they said that their engineers had to handle 20+ active investigations, and that they knew my boss, and I just feel defeated.   I've got a massive industrial investigation going right now and a handful of insurance ones, and the workload is so heavy. I do my own labwork and my boss yells at me if I pass too much to the technicians. I read more papers every few months than I did for my whole masters. We've skirted COVID restrictions so I've still been in the office every day. I have no short term memory and took on 3 prescriptions to try to control all my stress-related illnesses.  How can I manage 20 files and take on full responsibility for the conclusions instead of filtering it through my boss? He shows me all the bad forensic reports that he tears to shreds and tells me about other young engineers who were run out of the industry, and how bad it is at other firms. Yeah, he's doing that to control me, but maybe that is how it is.  Everybody seems to know everybody in this field, and my boss will just tell all his contacts how I screwed him over unfairly. I want to solve these forensic mysteries and help clients, but that might mean letting my boss do what he wants, because I need the experience and references. I'm going to go for a consultation with an employment lawyer, but I'm discouraged because the legal remedy may be at best a small financial payout + getting blacklisted in the industry.  I also keep trying to compose something to send my boss to try to keep the peace until he finally fires me, but it keeps turning into \"hey taintmonger, vacation time per year is guaranteed by law and not something you get to bestow on or snatch away from your employees\".  This a \"woe is me\" post but I'm looking for some perspective from other engineers, which might be \"STFU at least you have a job right now\". I applied to about 170 to get this one, which is my second job out of grad school. I have a masters and a 3.9 GPA, but I feel like that meme image of Boromir shot with three arrows. What do, askengineers, what do?","c_root_id_A":"ggvyjsf","c_root_id_B":"ggvnbcj","created_at_utc_A":1608804366,"created_at_utc_B":1608792694,"score_A":7,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Hey dude,   There's some good stuff in this thread, but make sure you have a chat with someone about how you feel. The tone of your post is one of stress. Please look after yourself OP.   Also, your boss is a dick and you need a new job.","human_ref_B":"If you're in a niche engineering field and have evidence against your boss that may be taken to court, I'm NAL but I think you need to remove this post","labels":1,"seconds_difference":11672.0,"score_ratio":1.1666666667}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1ciuc","c_root_id_B":"ff1ismx","created_at_utc_A":1579477502,"created_at_utc_B":1579479884,"score_A":309,"score_B":474,"human_ref_A":"\"if you do something every day eventually the information just sticks its got nothing to do with being smart, I'm sure I'd find it impossible to do your job if I tried tomorrow\"","human_ref_B":"\"Nah, driving trains is easy. 'CHOO CHOO!'\" - While making the 'Blow the horn chain pull' motion.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2382.0,"score_ratio":1.5339805825}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1ismx","c_root_id_B":"ff10uvh","created_at_utc_A":1579479884,"created_at_utc_B":1579474117,"score_A":474,"score_B":77,"human_ref_A":"\"Nah, driving trains is easy. 'CHOO CHOO!'\" - While making the 'Blow the horn chain pull' motion.","human_ref_B":"\"nah I'm just an engineer\"","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5767.0,"score_ratio":6.1558441558}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff116u5","c_root_id_B":"ff1ismx","created_at_utc_A":1579474233,"created_at_utc_B":1579479884,"score_A":39,"score_B":474,"human_ref_A":"I just say \u201cyep\u201d and move on. Sometimes I\u2019ll talk about my work, but usually I just move on.","human_ref_B":"\"Nah, driving trains is easy. 'CHOO CHOO!'\" - While making the 'Blow the horn chain pull' motion.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5651.0,"score_ratio":12.1538461538}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1ismx","c_root_id_B":"ff12736","created_at_utc_A":1579479884,"created_at_utc_B":1579474476,"score_A":474,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"\"Nah, driving trains is easy. 'CHOO CHOO!'\" - While making the 'Blow the horn chain pull' motion.","human_ref_B":"\"ya, that's why I drink and smoke weed.   Helps me understand the rest of you.\"","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5408.0,"score_ratio":31.6}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1ciuc","c_root_id_B":"ff1jj7y","created_at_utc_A":1579477502,"created_at_utc_B":1579480205,"score_A":309,"score_B":453,"human_ref_A":"\"if you do something every day eventually the information just sticks its got nothing to do with being smart, I'm sure I'd find it impossible to do your job if I tried tomorrow\"","human_ref_B":"\"Nah, I'm just good at taking things apart and almost putting them back together.\"","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2703.0,"score_ratio":1.4660194175}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1jj7y","c_root_id_B":"ff10uvh","created_at_utc_A":1579480205,"created_at_utc_B":1579474117,"score_A":453,"score_B":77,"human_ref_A":"\"Nah, I'm just good at taking things apart and almost putting them back together.\"","human_ref_B":"\"nah I'm just an engineer\"","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6088.0,"score_ratio":5.8831168831}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff116u5","c_root_id_B":"ff1jj7y","created_at_utc_A":1579474233,"created_at_utc_B":1579480205,"score_A":39,"score_B":453,"human_ref_A":"I just say \u201cyep\u201d and move on. Sometimes I\u2019ll talk about my work, but usually I just move on.","human_ref_B":"\"Nah, I'm just good at taking things apart and almost putting them back together.\"","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5972.0,"score_ratio":11.6153846154}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1jj7y","c_root_id_B":"ff12736","created_at_utc_A":1579480205,"created_at_utc_B":1579474476,"score_A":453,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"\"Nah, I'm just good at taking things apart and almost putting them back together.\"","human_ref_B":"\"ya, that's why I drink and smoke weed.   Helps me understand the rest of you.\"","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5729.0,"score_ratio":30.2}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff10uvh","c_root_id_B":"ff1ciuc","created_at_utc_A":1579474117,"created_at_utc_B":1579477502,"score_A":77,"score_B":309,"human_ref_A":"\"nah I'm just an engineer\"","human_ref_B":"\"if you do something every day eventually the information just sticks its got nothing to do with being smart, I'm sure I'd find it impossible to do your job if I tried tomorrow\"","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3385.0,"score_ratio":4.012987013}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1ciuc","c_root_id_B":"ff116u5","created_at_utc_A":1579477502,"created_at_utc_B":1579474233,"score_A":309,"score_B":39,"human_ref_A":"\"if you do something every day eventually the information just sticks its got nothing to do with being smart, I'm sure I'd find it impossible to do your job if I tried tomorrow\"","human_ref_B":"I just say \u201cyep\u201d and move on. Sometimes I\u2019ll talk about my work, but usually I just move on.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3269.0,"score_ratio":7.9230769231}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1ciuc","c_root_id_B":"ff12736","created_at_utc_A":1579477502,"created_at_utc_B":1579474476,"score_A":309,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"\"if you do something every day eventually the information just sticks its got nothing to do with being smart, I'm sure I'd find it impossible to do your job if I tried tomorrow\"","human_ref_B":"\"ya, that's why I drink and smoke weed.   Helps me understand the rest of you.\"","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3026.0,"score_ratio":20.6}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1r8a0","c_root_id_B":"ff1shyx","created_at_utc_A":1579484410,"created_at_utc_B":1579485195,"score_A":110,"score_B":201,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019m a roadway engineer. When people find out they usually just yell at me about potholes and the new city bus route.","human_ref_B":"What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I\u2019ll have you know I graduated top of my Engineering class, and I\u2019ve been involved in numerous secret projects on SpaceX, and I have over 3.9 confirmed GPA.   I am trained in Bridge Building Competition and I\u2019m the top Calculus student in the entire US Engineering forces. You are nothing to me but just another Business grad. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision of over 20 significant figures, mark my fucking words.  But you couldn\u2019t get into Engineering, you didn\u2019t, and now you\u2019re paying the price, you goddamn Business grad. I will shit fury my six-figure salary over you and you will envy it.  You\u2019re fucking dead, kiddo.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":785.0,"score_ratio":1.8272727273}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1shyx","c_root_id_B":"ff10uvh","created_at_utc_A":1579485195,"created_at_utc_B":1579474117,"score_A":201,"score_B":77,"human_ref_A":"What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I\u2019ll have you know I graduated top of my Engineering class, and I\u2019ve been involved in numerous secret projects on SpaceX, and I have over 3.9 confirmed GPA.   I am trained in Bridge Building Competition and I\u2019m the top Calculus student in the entire US Engineering forces. You are nothing to me but just another Business grad. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision of over 20 significant figures, mark my fucking words.  But you couldn\u2019t get into Engineering, you didn\u2019t, and now you\u2019re paying the price, you goddamn Business grad. I will shit fury my six-figure salary over you and you will envy it.  You\u2019re fucking dead, kiddo.","human_ref_B":"\"nah I'm just an engineer\"","labels":1,"seconds_difference":11078.0,"score_ratio":2.6103896104}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1qyxv","c_root_id_B":"ff1shyx","created_at_utc_A":1579484245,"created_at_utc_B":1579485195,"score_A":61,"score_B":201,"human_ref_A":"My go-to response to just about any compliment, including this one, is a simple and sincere \"thank you\".","human_ref_B":"What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I\u2019ll have you know I graduated top of my Engineering class, and I\u2019ve been involved in numerous secret projects on SpaceX, and I have over 3.9 confirmed GPA.   I am trained in Bridge Building Competition and I\u2019m the top Calculus student in the entire US Engineering forces. You are nothing to me but just another Business grad. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision of over 20 significant figures, mark my fucking words.  But you couldn\u2019t get into Engineering, you didn\u2019t, and now you\u2019re paying the price, you goddamn Business grad. I will shit fury my six-figure salary over you and you will envy it.  You\u2019re fucking dead, kiddo.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":950.0,"score_ratio":3.2950819672}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1nqje","c_root_id_B":"ff1shyx","created_at_utc_A":1579482231,"created_at_utc_B":1579485195,"score_A":44,"score_B":201,"human_ref_A":"\"Not really. I used to be smart. Then I made sure to kill the smart part of my brain when I was in college with massive amounts of tequila. Now I'm just like you.\"","human_ref_B":"What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I\u2019ll have you know I graduated top of my Engineering class, and I\u2019ve been involved in numerous secret projects on SpaceX, and I have over 3.9 confirmed GPA.   I am trained in Bridge Building Competition and I\u2019m the top Calculus student in the entire US Engineering forces. You are nothing to me but just another Business grad. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision of over 20 significant figures, mark my fucking words.  But you couldn\u2019t get into Engineering, you didn\u2019t, and now you\u2019re paying the price, you goddamn Business grad. I will shit fury my six-figure salary over you and you will envy it.  You\u2019re fucking dead, kiddo.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2964.0,"score_ratio":4.5681818182}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff116u5","c_root_id_B":"ff1shyx","created_at_utc_A":1579474233,"created_at_utc_B":1579485195,"score_A":39,"score_B":201,"human_ref_A":"I just say \u201cyep\u201d and move on. Sometimes I\u2019ll talk about my work, but usually I just move on.","human_ref_B":"What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I\u2019ll have you know I graduated top of my Engineering class, and I\u2019ve been involved in numerous secret projects on SpaceX, and I have over 3.9 confirmed GPA.   I am trained in Bridge Building Competition and I\u2019m the top Calculus student in the entire US Engineering forces. You are nothing to me but just another Business grad. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision of over 20 significant figures, mark my fucking words.  But you couldn\u2019t get into Engineering, you didn\u2019t, and now you\u2019re paying the price, you goddamn Business grad. I will shit fury my six-figure salary over you and you will envy it.  You\u2019re fucking dead, kiddo.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10962.0,"score_ratio":5.1538461538}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1shyx","c_root_id_B":"ff1mmja","created_at_utc_A":1579485195,"created_at_utc_B":1579481690,"score_A":201,"score_B":37,"human_ref_A":"What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I\u2019ll have you know I graduated top of my Engineering class, and I\u2019ve been involved in numerous secret projects on SpaceX, and I have over 3.9 confirmed GPA.   I am trained in Bridge Building Competition and I\u2019m the top Calculus student in the entire US Engineering forces. You are nothing to me but just another Business grad. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision of over 20 significant figures, mark my fucking words.  But you couldn\u2019t get into Engineering, you didn\u2019t, and now you\u2019re paying the price, you goddamn Business grad. I will shit fury my six-figure salary over you and you will envy it.  You\u2019re fucking dead, kiddo.","human_ref_B":"I usually make like a high pitched kind of ehhh noise that kind of inflects upward at the end, as if to imply unsureness, and i hold out my hand flat and kind of roll it side to side.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3505.0,"score_ratio":5.4324324324}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1p8v0","c_root_id_B":"ff1shyx","created_at_utc_A":1579483126,"created_at_utc_B":1579485195,"score_A":31,"score_B":201,"human_ref_A":"\"You'd think so, wouldn't you?\"","human_ref_B":"What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I\u2019ll have you know I graduated top of my Engineering class, and I\u2019ve been involved in numerous secret projects on SpaceX, and I have over 3.9 confirmed GPA.   I am trained in Bridge Building Competition and I\u2019m the top Calculus student in the entire US Engineering forces. You are nothing to me but just another Business grad. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision of over 20 significant figures, mark my fucking words.  But you couldn\u2019t get into Engineering, you didn\u2019t, and now you\u2019re paying the price, you goddamn Business grad. I will shit fury my six-figure salary over you and you will envy it.  You\u2019re fucking dead, kiddo.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2069.0,"score_ratio":6.4838709677}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1r3rb","c_root_id_B":"ff1shyx","created_at_utc_A":1579484333,"created_at_utc_B":1579485195,"score_A":29,"score_B":201,"human_ref_A":"Awkward laughter","human_ref_B":"What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I\u2019ll have you know I graduated top of my Engineering class, and I\u2019ve been involved in numerous secret projects on SpaceX, and I have over 3.9 confirmed GPA.   I am trained in Bridge Building Competition and I\u2019m the top Calculus student in the entire US Engineering forces. You are nothing to me but just another Business grad. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision of over 20 significant figures, mark my fucking words.  But you couldn\u2019t get into Engineering, you didn\u2019t, and now you\u2019re paying the price, you goddamn Business grad. I will shit fury my six-figure salary over you and you will envy it.  You\u2019re fucking dead, kiddo.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":862.0,"score_ratio":6.9310344828}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1mhv9","c_root_id_B":"ff1shyx","created_at_utc_A":1579481632,"created_at_utc_B":1579485195,"score_A":20,"score_B":201,"human_ref_A":"I channel my inner Walter White.   \"You're goddamn right.\"","human_ref_B":"What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I\u2019ll have you know I graduated top of my Engineering class, and I\u2019ve been involved in numerous secret projects on SpaceX, and I have over 3.9 confirmed GPA.   I am trained in Bridge Building Competition and I\u2019m the top Calculus student in the entire US Engineering forces. You are nothing to me but just another Business grad. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision of over 20 significant figures, mark my fucking words.  But you couldn\u2019t get into Engineering, you didn\u2019t, and now you\u2019re paying the price, you goddamn Business grad. I will shit fury my six-figure salary over you and you will envy it.  You\u2019re fucking dead, kiddo.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3563.0,"score_ratio":10.05}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1o8j2","c_root_id_B":"ff1shyx","created_at_utc_A":1579482504,"created_at_utc_B":1579485195,"score_A":12,"score_B":201,"human_ref_A":"\u201cYou could say that.\u201d Or \u201cyeah, something like that.\u201d","human_ref_B":"What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I\u2019ll have you know I graduated top of my Engineering class, and I\u2019ve been involved in numerous secret projects on SpaceX, and I have over 3.9 confirmed GPA.   I am trained in Bridge Building Competition and I\u2019m the top Calculus student in the entire US Engineering forces. You are nothing to me but just another Business grad. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision of over 20 significant figures, mark my fucking words.  But you couldn\u2019t get into Engineering, you didn\u2019t, and now you\u2019re paying the price, you goddamn Business grad. I will shit fury my six-figure salary over you and you will envy it.  You\u2019re fucking dead, kiddo.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2691.0,"score_ratio":16.75}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff12736","c_root_id_B":"ff1shyx","created_at_utc_A":1579474476,"created_at_utc_B":1579485195,"score_A":15,"score_B":201,"human_ref_A":"\"ya, that's why I drink and smoke weed.   Helps me understand the rest of you.\"","human_ref_B":"What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I\u2019ll have you know I graduated top of my Engineering class, and I\u2019ve been involved in numerous secret projects on SpaceX, and I have over 3.9 confirmed GPA.   I am trained in Bridge Building Competition and I\u2019m the top Calculus student in the entire US Engineering forces. You are nothing to me but just another Business grad. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision of over 20 significant figures, mark my fucking words.  But you couldn\u2019t get into Engineering, you didn\u2019t, and now you\u2019re paying the price, you goddamn Business grad. I will shit fury my six-figure salary over you and you will envy it.  You\u2019re fucking dead, kiddo.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10719.0,"score_ratio":13.4}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1r8a0","c_root_id_B":"ff1tj6k","created_at_utc_A":1579484410,"created_at_utc_B":1579485846,"score_A":110,"score_B":113,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019m a roadway engineer. When people find out they usually just yell at me about potholes and the new city bus route.","human_ref_B":"My go to is, \u201cI\u2019m smart enough to memorize what a lot of really smart people actually figured out\u201d","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1436.0,"score_ratio":1.0272727273}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff10uvh","c_root_id_B":"ff1tj6k","created_at_utc_A":1579474117,"created_at_utc_B":1579485846,"score_A":77,"score_B":113,"human_ref_A":"\"nah I'm just an engineer\"","human_ref_B":"My go to is, \u201cI\u2019m smart enough to memorize what a lot of really smart people actually figured out\u201d","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11729.0,"score_ratio":1.4675324675}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1tj6k","c_root_id_B":"ff1qyxv","created_at_utc_A":1579485846,"created_at_utc_B":1579484245,"score_A":113,"score_B":61,"human_ref_A":"My go to is, \u201cI\u2019m smart enough to memorize what a lot of really smart people actually figured out\u201d","human_ref_B":"My go-to response to just about any compliment, including this one, is a simple and sincere \"thank you\".","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1601.0,"score_ratio":1.8524590164}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1nqje","c_root_id_B":"ff1tj6k","created_at_utc_A":1579482231,"created_at_utc_B":1579485846,"score_A":44,"score_B":113,"human_ref_A":"\"Not really. I used to be smart. Then I made sure to kill the smart part of my brain when I was in college with massive amounts of tequila. Now I'm just like you.\"","human_ref_B":"My go to is, \u201cI\u2019m smart enough to memorize what a lot of really smart people actually figured out\u201d","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3615.0,"score_ratio":2.5681818182}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1tj6k","c_root_id_B":"ff116u5","created_at_utc_A":1579485846,"created_at_utc_B":1579474233,"score_A":113,"score_B":39,"human_ref_A":"My go to is, \u201cI\u2019m smart enough to memorize what a lot of really smart people actually figured out\u201d","human_ref_B":"I just say \u201cyep\u201d and move on. Sometimes I\u2019ll talk about my work, but usually I just move on.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":11613.0,"score_ratio":2.8974358974}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1mmja","c_root_id_B":"ff1tj6k","created_at_utc_A":1579481690,"created_at_utc_B":1579485846,"score_A":37,"score_B":113,"human_ref_A":"I usually make like a high pitched kind of ehhh noise that kind of inflects upward at the end, as if to imply unsureness, and i hold out my hand flat and kind of roll it side to side.","human_ref_B":"My go to is, \u201cI\u2019m smart enough to memorize what a lot of really smart people actually figured out\u201d","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4156.0,"score_ratio":3.0540540541}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1tj6k","c_root_id_B":"ff1p8v0","created_at_utc_A":1579485846,"created_at_utc_B":1579483126,"score_A":113,"score_B":31,"human_ref_A":"My go to is, \u201cI\u2019m smart enough to memorize what a lot of really smart people actually figured out\u201d","human_ref_B":"\"You'd think so, wouldn't you?\"","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2720.0,"score_ratio":3.6451612903}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1tj6k","c_root_id_B":"ff1r3rb","created_at_utc_A":1579485846,"created_at_utc_B":1579484333,"score_A":113,"score_B":29,"human_ref_A":"My go to is, \u201cI\u2019m smart enough to memorize what a lot of really smart people actually figured out\u201d","human_ref_B":"Awkward laughter","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1513.0,"score_ratio":3.8965517241}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1mhv9","c_root_id_B":"ff1tj6k","created_at_utc_A":1579481632,"created_at_utc_B":1579485846,"score_A":20,"score_B":113,"human_ref_A":"I channel my inner Walter White.   \"You're goddamn right.\"","human_ref_B":"My go to is, \u201cI\u2019m smart enough to memorize what a lot of really smart people actually figured out\u201d","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4214.0,"score_ratio":5.65}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1tgwc","c_root_id_B":"ff1tj6k","created_at_utc_A":1579485806,"created_at_utc_B":1579485846,"score_A":17,"score_B":113,"human_ref_A":"> \"I'm glad someone thinks so, could you let my professors know?\"","human_ref_B":"My go to is, \u201cI\u2019m smart enough to memorize what a lot of really smart people actually figured out\u201d","labels":0,"seconds_difference":40.0,"score_ratio":6.6470588235}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1o8j2","c_root_id_B":"ff1tj6k","created_at_utc_A":1579482504,"created_at_utc_B":1579485846,"score_A":12,"score_B":113,"human_ref_A":"\u201cYou could say that.\u201d Or \u201cyeah, something like that.\u201d","human_ref_B":"My go to is, \u201cI\u2019m smart enough to memorize what a lot of really smart people actually figured out\u201d","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3342.0,"score_ratio":9.4166666667}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1tj6k","c_root_id_B":"ff12736","created_at_utc_A":1579485846,"created_at_utc_B":1579474476,"score_A":113,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"My go to is, \u201cI\u2019m smart enough to memorize what a lot of really smart people actually figured out\u201d","human_ref_B":"\"ya, that's why I drink and smoke weed.   Helps me understand the rest of you.\"","labels":1,"seconds_difference":11370.0,"score_ratio":7.5333333333}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1r8a0","c_root_id_B":"ff10uvh","created_at_utc_A":1579484410,"created_at_utc_B":1579474117,"score_A":110,"score_B":77,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019m a roadway engineer. When people find out they usually just yell at me about potholes and the new city bus route.","human_ref_B":"\"nah I'm just an engineer\"","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10293.0,"score_ratio":1.4285714286}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1qyxv","c_root_id_B":"ff1r8a0","created_at_utc_A":1579484245,"created_at_utc_B":1579484410,"score_A":61,"score_B":110,"human_ref_A":"My go-to response to just about any compliment, including this one, is a simple and sincere \"thank you\".","human_ref_B":"I\u2019m a roadway engineer. When people find out they usually just yell at me about potholes and the new city bus route.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":165.0,"score_ratio":1.8032786885}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1r8a0","c_root_id_B":"ff1nqje","created_at_utc_A":1579484410,"created_at_utc_B":1579482231,"score_A":110,"score_B":44,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019m a roadway engineer. When people find out they usually just yell at me about potholes and the new city bus route.","human_ref_B":"\"Not really. I used to be smart. Then I made sure to kill the smart part of my brain when I was in college with massive amounts of tequila. Now I'm just like you.\"","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2179.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff116u5","c_root_id_B":"ff1r8a0","created_at_utc_A":1579474233,"created_at_utc_B":1579484410,"score_A":39,"score_B":110,"human_ref_A":"I just say \u201cyep\u201d and move on. Sometimes I\u2019ll talk about my work, but usually I just move on.","human_ref_B":"I\u2019m a roadway engineer. When people find out they usually just yell at me about potholes and the new city bus route.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10177.0,"score_ratio":2.8205128205}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1mmja","c_root_id_B":"ff1r8a0","created_at_utc_A":1579481690,"created_at_utc_B":1579484410,"score_A":37,"score_B":110,"human_ref_A":"I usually make like a high pitched kind of ehhh noise that kind of inflects upward at the end, as if to imply unsureness, and i hold out my hand flat and kind of roll it side to side.","human_ref_B":"I\u2019m a roadway engineer. When people find out they usually just yell at me about potholes and the new city bus route.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2720.0,"score_ratio":2.972972973}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1p8v0","c_root_id_B":"ff1r8a0","created_at_utc_A":1579483126,"created_at_utc_B":1579484410,"score_A":31,"score_B":110,"human_ref_A":"\"You'd think so, wouldn't you?\"","human_ref_B":"I\u2019m a roadway engineer. When people find out they usually just yell at me about potholes and the new city bus route.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1284.0,"score_ratio":3.5483870968}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1r3rb","c_root_id_B":"ff1r8a0","created_at_utc_A":1579484333,"created_at_utc_B":1579484410,"score_A":29,"score_B":110,"human_ref_A":"Awkward laughter","human_ref_B":"I\u2019m a roadway engineer. When people find out they usually just yell at me about potholes and the new city bus route.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":77.0,"score_ratio":3.7931034483}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1mhv9","c_root_id_B":"ff1r8a0","created_at_utc_A":1579481632,"created_at_utc_B":1579484410,"score_A":20,"score_B":110,"human_ref_A":"I channel my inner Walter White.   \"You're goddamn right.\"","human_ref_B":"I\u2019m a roadway engineer. When people find out they usually just yell at me about potholes and the new city bus route.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2778.0,"score_ratio":5.5}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1r8a0","c_root_id_B":"ff1o8j2","created_at_utc_A":1579484410,"created_at_utc_B":1579482504,"score_A":110,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019m a roadway engineer. When people find out they usually just yell at me about potholes and the new city bus route.","human_ref_B":"\u201cYou could say that.\u201d Or \u201cyeah, something like that.\u201d","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1906.0,"score_ratio":9.1666666667}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1r8a0","c_root_id_B":"ff12736","created_at_utc_A":1579484410,"created_at_utc_B":1579474476,"score_A":110,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019m a roadway engineer. When people find out they usually just yell at me about potholes and the new city bus route.","human_ref_B":"\"ya, that's why I drink and smoke weed.   Helps me understand the rest of you.\"","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9934.0,"score_ratio":7.3333333333}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1xu7l","c_root_id_B":"ff10uvh","created_at_utc_A":1579488651,"created_at_utc_B":1579474117,"score_A":81,"score_B":77,"human_ref_A":"\"I'm not smart, y'all are just dumb\"","human_ref_B":"\"nah I'm just an engineer\"","labels":1,"seconds_difference":14534.0,"score_ratio":1.0519480519}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1tvnb","c_root_id_B":"ff1xu7l","created_at_utc_A":1579486074,"created_at_utc_B":1579488651,"score_A":69,"score_B":81,"human_ref_A":"\"You must not know many engineers\"","human_ref_B":"\"I'm not smart, y'all are just dumb\"","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2577.0,"score_ratio":1.1739130435}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1qyxv","c_root_id_B":"ff1xu7l","created_at_utc_A":1579484245,"created_at_utc_B":1579488651,"score_A":61,"score_B":81,"human_ref_A":"My go-to response to just about any compliment, including this one, is a simple and sincere \"thank you\".","human_ref_B":"\"I'm not smart, y'all are just dumb\"","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4406.0,"score_ratio":1.3278688525}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1nqje","c_root_id_B":"ff1xu7l","created_at_utc_A":1579482231,"created_at_utc_B":1579488651,"score_A":44,"score_B":81,"human_ref_A":"\"Not really. I used to be smart. Then I made sure to kill the smart part of my brain when I was in college with massive amounts of tequila. Now I'm just like you.\"","human_ref_B":"\"I'm not smart, y'all are just dumb\"","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6420.0,"score_ratio":1.8409090909}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1xu7l","c_root_id_B":"ff116u5","created_at_utc_A":1579488651,"created_at_utc_B":1579474233,"score_A":81,"score_B":39,"human_ref_A":"\"I'm not smart, y'all are just dumb\"","human_ref_B":"I just say \u201cyep\u201d and move on. Sometimes I\u2019ll talk about my work, but usually I just move on.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":14418.0,"score_ratio":2.0769230769}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1mmja","c_root_id_B":"ff1xu7l","created_at_utc_A":1579481690,"created_at_utc_B":1579488651,"score_A":37,"score_B":81,"human_ref_A":"I usually make like a high pitched kind of ehhh noise that kind of inflects upward at the end, as if to imply unsureness, and i hold out my hand flat and kind of roll it side to side.","human_ref_B":"\"I'm not smart, y'all are just dumb\"","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6961.0,"score_ratio":2.1891891892}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1xu7l","c_root_id_B":"ff1p8v0","created_at_utc_A":1579488651,"created_at_utc_B":1579483126,"score_A":81,"score_B":31,"human_ref_A":"\"I'm not smart, y'all are just dumb\"","human_ref_B":"\"You'd think so, wouldn't you?\"","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5525.0,"score_ratio":2.6129032258}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1r3rb","c_root_id_B":"ff1xu7l","created_at_utc_A":1579484333,"created_at_utc_B":1579488651,"score_A":29,"score_B":81,"human_ref_A":"Awkward laughter","human_ref_B":"\"I'm not smart, y'all are just dumb\"","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4318.0,"score_ratio":2.7931034483}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1xu7l","c_root_id_B":"ff1mhv9","created_at_utc_A":1579488651,"created_at_utc_B":1579481632,"score_A":81,"score_B":20,"human_ref_A":"\"I'm not smart, y'all are just dumb\"","human_ref_B":"I channel my inner Walter White.   \"You're goddamn right.\"","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7019.0,"score_ratio":4.05}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1xu7l","c_root_id_B":"ff1tgwc","created_at_utc_A":1579488651,"created_at_utc_B":1579485806,"score_A":81,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"\"I'm not smart, y'all are just dumb\"","human_ref_B":"> \"I'm glad someone thinks so, could you let my professors know?\"","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2845.0,"score_ratio":4.7647058824}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1xu7l","c_root_id_B":"ff1o8j2","created_at_utc_A":1579488651,"created_at_utc_B":1579482504,"score_A":81,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"\"I'm not smart, y'all are just dumb\"","human_ref_B":"\u201cYou could say that.\u201d Or \u201cyeah, something like that.\u201d","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6147.0,"score_ratio":6.75}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1uir2","c_root_id_B":"ff1xu7l","created_at_utc_A":1579486488,"created_at_utc_B":1579488651,"score_A":12,"score_B":81,"human_ref_A":"\"and rich, don't forget rich.\"","human_ref_B":"\"I'm not smart, y'all are just dumb\"","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2163.0,"score_ratio":6.75}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff12736","c_root_id_B":"ff1xu7l","created_at_utc_A":1579474476,"created_at_utc_B":1579488651,"score_A":15,"score_B":81,"human_ref_A":"\"ya, that's why I drink and smoke weed.   Helps me understand the rest of you.\"","human_ref_B":"\"I'm not smart, y'all are just dumb\"","labels":0,"seconds_difference":14175.0,"score_ratio":5.4}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1tvnb","c_root_id_B":"ff1qyxv","created_at_utc_A":1579486074,"created_at_utc_B":1579484245,"score_A":69,"score_B":61,"human_ref_A":"\"You must not know many engineers\"","human_ref_B":"My go-to response to just about any compliment, including this one, is a simple and sincere \"thank you\".","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1829.0,"score_ratio":1.131147541}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1tvnb","c_root_id_B":"ff1nqje","created_at_utc_A":1579486074,"created_at_utc_B":1579482231,"score_A":69,"score_B":44,"human_ref_A":"\"You must not know many engineers\"","human_ref_B":"\"Not really. I used to be smart. Then I made sure to kill the smart part of my brain when I was in college with massive amounts of tequila. Now I'm just like you.\"","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3843.0,"score_ratio":1.5681818182}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff116u5","c_root_id_B":"ff1tvnb","created_at_utc_A":1579474233,"created_at_utc_B":1579486074,"score_A":39,"score_B":69,"human_ref_A":"I just say \u201cyep\u201d and move on. Sometimes I\u2019ll talk about my work, but usually I just move on.","human_ref_B":"\"You must not know many engineers\"","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11841.0,"score_ratio":1.7692307692}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1mmja","c_root_id_B":"ff1tvnb","created_at_utc_A":1579481690,"created_at_utc_B":1579486074,"score_A":37,"score_B":69,"human_ref_A":"I usually make like a high pitched kind of ehhh noise that kind of inflects upward at the end, as if to imply unsureness, and i hold out my hand flat and kind of roll it side to side.","human_ref_B":"\"You must not know many engineers\"","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4384.0,"score_ratio":1.8648648649}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1tvnb","c_root_id_B":"ff1p8v0","created_at_utc_A":1579486074,"created_at_utc_B":1579483126,"score_A":69,"score_B":31,"human_ref_A":"\"You must not know many engineers\"","human_ref_B":"\"You'd think so, wouldn't you?\"","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2948.0,"score_ratio":2.2258064516}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1tvnb","c_root_id_B":"ff1r3rb","created_at_utc_A":1579486074,"created_at_utc_B":1579484333,"score_A":69,"score_B":29,"human_ref_A":"\"You must not know many engineers\"","human_ref_B":"Awkward laughter","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1741.0,"score_ratio":2.3793103448}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1mhv9","c_root_id_B":"ff1tvnb","created_at_utc_A":1579481632,"created_at_utc_B":1579486074,"score_A":20,"score_B":69,"human_ref_A":"I channel my inner Walter White.   \"You're goddamn right.\"","human_ref_B":"\"You must not know many engineers\"","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4442.0,"score_ratio":3.45}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1tvnb","c_root_id_B":"ff1tgwc","created_at_utc_A":1579486074,"created_at_utc_B":1579485806,"score_A":69,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"\"You must not know many engineers\"","human_ref_B":"> \"I'm glad someone thinks so, could you let my professors know?\"","labels":1,"seconds_difference":268.0,"score_ratio":4.0588235294}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1tvnb","c_root_id_B":"ff1o8j2","created_at_utc_A":1579486074,"created_at_utc_B":1579482504,"score_A":69,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"\"You must not know many engineers\"","human_ref_B":"\u201cYou could say that.\u201d Or \u201cyeah, something like that.\u201d","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3570.0,"score_ratio":5.75}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff12736","c_root_id_B":"ff1tvnb","created_at_utc_A":1579474476,"created_at_utc_B":1579486074,"score_A":15,"score_B":69,"human_ref_A":"\"ya, that's why I drink and smoke weed.   Helps me understand the rest of you.\"","human_ref_B":"\"You must not know many engineers\"","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11598.0,"score_ratio":4.6}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1nqje","c_root_id_B":"ff1qyxv","created_at_utc_A":1579482231,"created_at_utc_B":1579484245,"score_A":44,"score_B":61,"human_ref_A":"\"Not really. I used to be smart. Then I made sure to kill the smart part of my brain when I was in college with massive amounts of tequila. Now I'm just like you.\"","human_ref_B":"My go-to response to just about any compliment, including this one, is a simple and sincere \"thank you\".","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2014.0,"score_ratio":1.3863636364}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff116u5","c_root_id_B":"ff1qyxv","created_at_utc_A":1579474233,"created_at_utc_B":1579484245,"score_A":39,"score_B":61,"human_ref_A":"I just say \u201cyep\u201d and move on. Sometimes I\u2019ll talk about my work, but usually I just move on.","human_ref_B":"My go-to response to just about any compliment, including this one, is a simple and sincere \"thank you\".","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10012.0,"score_ratio":1.5641025641}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1qyxv","c_root_id_B":"ff1mmja","created_at_utc_A":1579484245,"created_at_utc_B":1579481690,"score_A":61,"score_B":37,"human_ref_A":"My go-to response to just about any compliment, including this one, is a simple and sincere \"thank you\".","human_ref_B":"I usually make like a high pitched kind of ehhh noise that kind of inflects upward at the end, as if to imply unsureness, and i hold out my hand flat and kind of roll it side to side.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2555.0,"score_ratio":1.6486486486}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1p8v0","c_root_id_B":"ff1qyxv","created_at_utc_A":1579483126,"created_at_utc_B":1579484245,"score_A":31,"score_B":61,"human_ref_A":"\"You'd think so, wouldn't you?\"","human_ref_B":"My go-to response to just about any compliment, including this one, is a simple and sincere \"thank you\".","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1119.0,"score_ratio":1.9677419355}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1qyxv","c_root_id_B":"ff1mhv9","created_at_utc_A":1579484245,"created_at_utc_B":1579481632,"score_A":61,"score_B":20,"human_ref_A":"My go-to response to just about any compliment, including this one, is a simple and sincere \"thank you\".","human_ref_B":"I channel my inner Walter White.   \"You're goddamn right.\"","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2613.0,"score_ratio":3.05}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1o8j2","c_root_id_B":"ff1qyxv","created_at_utc_A":1579482504,"created_at_utc_B":1579484245,"score_A":12,"score_B":61,"human_ref_A":"\u201cYou could say that.\u201d Or \u201cyeah, something like that.\u201d","human_ref_B":"My go-to response to just about any compliment, including this one, is a simple and sincere \"thank you\".","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1741.0,"score_ratio":5.0833333333}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff12736","c_root_id_B":"ff1qyxv","created_at_utc_A":1579474476,"created_at_utc_B":1579484245,"score_A":15,"score_B":61,"human_ref_A":"\"ya, that's why I drink and smoke weed.   Helps me understand the rest of you.\"","human_ref_B":"My go-to response to just about any compliment, including this one, is a simple and sincere \"thank you\".","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9769.0,"score_ratio":4.0666666667}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1nqje","c_root_id_B":"ff116u5","created_at_utc_A":1579482231,"created_at_utc_B":1579474233,"score_A":44,"score_B":39,"human_ref_A":"\"Not really. I used to be smart. Then I made sure to kill the smart part of my brain when I was in college with massive amounts of tequila. Now I'm just like you.\"","human_ref_B":"I just say \u201cyep\u201d and move on. Sometimes I\u2019ll talk about my work, but usually I just move on.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7998.0,"score_ratio":1.1282051282}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1nqje","c_root_id_B":"ff1mmja","created_at_utc_A":1579482231,"created_at_utc_B":1579481690,"score_A":44,"score_B":37,"human_ref_A":"\"Not really. I used to be smart. Then I made sure to kill the smart part of my brain when I was in college with massive amounts of tequila. Now I'm just like you.\"","human_ref_B":"I usually make like a high pitched kind of ehhh noise that kind of inflects upward at the end, as if to imply unsureness, and i hold out my hand flat and kind of roll it side to side.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":541.0,"score_ratio":1.1891891892}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1nqje","c_root_id_B":"ff1mhv9","created_at_utc_A":1579482231,"created_at_utc_B":1579481632,"score_A":44,"score_B":20,"human_ref_A":"\"Not really. I used to be smart. Then I made sure to kill the smart part of my brain when I was in college with massive amounts of tequila. Now I'm just like you.\"","human_ref_B":"I channel my inner Walter White.   \"You're goddamn right.\"","labels":1,"seconds_difference":599.0,"score_ratio":2.2}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff12736","c_root_id_B":"ff1nqje","created_at_utc_A":1579474476,"created_at_utc_B":1579482231,"score_A":15,"score_B":44,"human_ref_A":"\"ya, that's why I drink and smoke weed.   Helps me understand the rest of you.\"","human_ref_B":"\"Not really. I used to be smart. Then I made sure to kill the smart part of my brain when I was in college with massive amounts of tequila. Now I'm just like you.\"","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7755.0,"score_ratio":2.9333333333}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff116u5","c_root_id_B":"ff1z2bi","created_at_utc_A":1579474233,"created_at_utc_B":1579489502,"score_A":39,"score_B":44,"human_ref_A":"I just say \u201cyep\u201d and move on. Sometimes I\u2019ll talk about my work, but usually I just move on.","human_ref_B":"Hair dressers say this to me, I always tell them, let me have a go with those scissors and you'd think I was retarded.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":15269.0,"score_ratio":1.1282051282}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1mmja","c_root_id_B":"ff1z2bi","created_at_utc_A":1579481690,"created_at_utc_B":1579489502,"score_A":37,"score_B":44,"human_ref_A":"I usually make like a high pitched kind of ehhh noise that kind of inflects upward at the end, as if to imply unsureness, and i hold out my hand flat and kind of roll it side to side.","human_ref_B":"Hair dressers say this to me, I always tell them, let me have a go with those scissors and you'd think I was retarded.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7812.0,"score_ratio":1.1891891892}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1z2bi","c_root_id_B":"ff1p8v0","created_at_utc_A":1579489502,"created_at_utc_B":1579483126,"score_A":44,"score_B":31,"human_ref_A":"Hair dressers say this to me, I always tell them, let me have a go with those scissors and you'd think I was retarded.","human_ref_B":"\"You'd think so, wouldn't you?\"","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6376.0,"score_ratio":1.4193548387}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1z2bi","c_root_id_B":"ff1r3rb","created_at_utc_A":1579489502,"created_at_utc_B":1579484333,"score_A":44,"score_B":29,"human_ref_A":"Hair dressers say this to me, I always tell them, let me have a go with those scissors and you'd think I was retarded.","human_ref_B":"Awkward laughter","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5169.0,"score_ratio":1.5172413793}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1z2bi","c_root_id_B":"ff1mhv9","created_at_utc_A":1579489502,"created_at_utc_B":1579481632,"score_A":44,"score_B":20,"human_ref_A":"Hair dressers say this to me, I always tell them, let me have a go with those scissors and you'd think I was retarded.","human_ref_B":"I channel my inner Walter White.   \"You're goddamn right.\"","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7870.0,"score_ratio":2.2}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1z2bi","c_root_id_B":"ff1tgwc","created_at_utc_A":1579489502,"created_at_utc_B":1579485806,"score_A":44,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"Hair dressers say this to me, I always tell them, let me have a go with those scissors and you'd think I was retarded.","human_ref_B":"> \"I'm glad someone thinks so, could you let my professors know?\"","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3696.0,"score_ratio":2.5882352941}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1z2bi","c_root_id_B":"ff1o8j2","created_at_utc_A":1579489502,"created_at_utc_B":1579482504,"score_A":44,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"Hair dressers say this to me, I always tell them, let me have a go with those scissors and you'd think I was retarded.","human_ref_B":"\u201cYou could say that.\u201d Or \u201cyeah, something like that.\u201d","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6998.0,"score_ratio":3.6666666667}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1z2bi","c_root_id_B":"ff1uir2","created_at_utc_A":1579489502,"created_at_utc_B":1579486488,"score_A":44,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"Hair dressers say this to me, I always tell them, let me have a go with those scissors and you'd think I was retarded.","human_ref_B":"\"and rich, don't forget rich.\"","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3014.0,"score_ratio":3.6666666667}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1z2bi","c_root_id_B":"ff12736","created_at_utc_A":1579489502,"created_at_utc_B":1579474476,"score_A":44,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"Hair dressers say this to me, I always tell them, let me have a go with those scissors and you'd think I was retarded.","human_ref_B":"\"ya, that's why I drink and smoke weed.   Helps me understand the rest of you.\"","labels":1,"seconds_difference":15026.0,"score_ratio":2.9333333333}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1mhv9","c_root_id_B":"ff1mmja","created_at_utc_A":1579481632,"created_at_utc_B":1579481690,"score_A":20,"score_B":37,"human_ref_A":"I channel my inner Walter White.   \"You're goddamn right.\"","human_ref_B":"I usually make like a high pitched kind of ehhh noise that kind of inflects upward at the end, as if to imply unsureness, and i hold out my hand flat and kind of roll it side to side.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":58.0,"score_ratio":1.85}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff12736","c_root_id_B":"ff1mmja","created_at_utc_A":1579474476,"created_at_utc_B":1579481690,"score_A":15,"score_B":37,"human_ref_A":"\"ya, that's why I drink and smoke weed.   Helps me understand the rest of you.\"","human_ref_B":"I usually make like a high pitched kind of ehhh noise that kind of inflects upward at the end, as if to imply unsureness, and i hold out my hand flat and kind of roll it side to side.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7214.0,"score_ratio":2.4666666667}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1r3rb","c_root_id_B":"ff1zbx6","created_at_utc_A":1579484333,"created_at_utc_B":1579489696,"score_A":29,"score_B":31,"human_ref_A":"Awkward laughter","human_ref_B":"last time this came up two best ways to respond were:  1. either downplay \/ self-deprecate  e.g. \"you must not know any engineers\" or \"I started a degree and was too dumb to quit\"  2. just agree with them, \"yep, good looking too\"","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5363.0,"score_ratio":1.0689655172}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1zbx6","c_root_id_B":"ff1mhv9","created_at_utc_A":1579489696,"created_at_utc_B":1579481632,"score_A":31,"score_B":20,"human_ref_A":"last time this came up two best ways to respond were:  1. either downplay \/ self-deprecate  e.g. \"you must not know any engineers\" or \"I started a degree and was too dumb to quit\"  2. just agree with them, \"yep, good looking too\"","human_ref_B":"I channel my inner Walter White.   \"You're goddamn right.\"","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8064.0,"score_ratio":1.55}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1tgwc","c_root_id_B":"ff1zbx6","created_at_utc_A":1579485806,"created_at_utc_B":1579489696,"score_A":17,"score_B":31,"human_ref_A":"> \"I'm glad someone thinks so, could you let my professors know?\"","human_ref_B":"last time this came up two best ways to respond were:  1. either downplay \/ self-deprecate  e.g. \"you must not know any engineers\" or \"I started a degree and was too dumb to quit\"  2. just agree with them, \"yep, good looking too\"","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3890.0,"score_ratio":1.8235294118}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1zbx6","c_root_id_B":"ff1o8j2","created_at_utc_A":1579489696,"created_at_utc_B":1579482504,"score_A":31,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"last time this came up two best ways to respond were:  1. either downplay \/ self-deprecate  e.g. \"you must not know any engineers\" or \"I started a degree and was too dumb to quit\"  2. just agree with them, \"yep, good looking too\"","human_ref_B":"\u201cYou could say that.\u201d Or \u201cyeah, something like that.\u201d","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7192.0,"score_ratio":2.5833333333}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1zbx6","c_root_id_B":"ff1uir2","created_at_utc_A":1579489696,"created_at_utc_B":1579486488,"score_A":31,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"last time this came up two best ways to respond were:  1. either downplay \/ self-deprecate  e.g. \"you must not know any engineers\" or \"I started a degree and was too dumb to quit\"  2. just agree with them, \"yep, good looking too\"","human_ref_B":"\"and rich, don't forget rich.\"","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3208.0,"score_ratio":2.5833333333}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1zbx6","c_root_id_B":"ff12736","created_at_utc_A":1579489696,"created_at_utc_B":1579474476,"score_A":31,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"last time this came up two best ways to respond were:  1. either downplay \/ self-deprecate  e.g. \"you must not know any engineers\" or \"I started a degree and was too dumb to quit\"  2. just agree with them, \"yep, good looking too\"","human_ref_B":"\"ya, that's why I drink and smoke weed.   Helps me understand the rest of you.\"","labels":1,"seconds_difference":15220.0,"score_ratio":2.0666666667}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1p8v0","c_root_id_B":"ff1mhv9","created_at_utc_A":1579483126,"created_at_utc_B":1579481632,"score_A":31,"score_B":20,"human_ref_A":"\"You'd think so, wouldn't you?\"","human_ref_B":"I channel my inner Walter White.   \"You're goddamn right.\"","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1494.0,"score_ratio":1.55}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1o8j2","c_root_id_B":"ff1p8v0","created_at_utc_A":1579482504,"created_at_utc_B":1579483126,"score_A":12,"score_B":31,"human_ref_A":"\u201cYou could say that.\u201d Or \u201cyeah, something like that.\u201d","human_ref_B":"\"You'd think so, wouldn't you?\"","labels":0,"seconds_difference":622.0,"score_ratio":2.5833333333}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff12736","c_root_id_B":"ff1p8v0","created_at_utc_A":1579474476,"created_at_utc_B":1579483126,"score_A":15,"score_B":31,"human_ref_A":"\"ya, that's why I drink and smoke weed.   Helps me understand the rest of you.\"","human_ref_B":"\"You'd think so, wouldn't you?\"","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8650.0,"score_ratio":2.0666666667}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1r3rb","c_root_id_B":"ff1mhv9","created_at_utc_A":1579484333,"created_at_utc_B":1579481632,"score_A":29,"score_B":20,"human_ref_A":"Awkward laughter","human_ref_B":"I channel my inner Walter White.   \"You're goddamn right.\"","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2701.0,"score_ratio":1.45}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1o8j2","c_root_id_B":"ff1r3rb","created_at_utc_A":1579482504,"created_at_utc_B":1579484333,"score_A":12,"score_B":29,"human_ref_A":"\u201cYou could say that.\u201d Or \u201cyeah, something like that.\u201d","human_ref_B":"Awkward laughter","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1829.0,"score_ratio":2.4166666667}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff12736","c_root_id_B":"ff1r3rb","created_at_utc_A":1579474476,"created_at_utc_B":1579484333,"score_A":15,"score_B":29,"human_ref_A":"\"ya, that's why I drink and smoke weed.   Helps me understand the rest of you.\"","human_ref_B":"Awkward laughter","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9857.0,"score_ratio":1.9333333333}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1mhv9","c_root_id_B":"ff12736","created_at_utc_A":1579481632,"created_at_utc_B":1579474476,"score_A":20,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"I channel my inner Walter White.   \"You're goddamn right.\"","human_ref_B":"\"ya, that's why I drink and smoke weed.   Helps me understand the rest of you.\"","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7156.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff1o8j2","c_root_id_B":"ff1tgwc","created_at_utc_A":1579482504,"created_at_utc_B":1579485806,"score_A":12,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"\u201cYou could say that.\u201d Or \u201cyeah, something like that.\u201d","human_ref_B":"> \"I'm glad someone thinks so, could you let my professors know?\"","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3302.0,"score_ratio":1.4166666667}
{"post_id":"er3pfo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How do you respond to \"You are an engineer? You must be really smart\" I'm not a fan of the remark. Yes I did well in university, yes I work for a big company and do some math every once in a while, yes I'm getting my masters, but personally, I would never say that I'm smart. I believe it's all situational. I could talk to a welder,plumber, machinest, or anybody who picked going for a trade instead of a degree and get schooled by their knowledge  regarding their profession. The list is long... I'm not an accountant, I suck at writing, I cant rymn, I'm not great at sports analysis, and good lord I suck understanding the stock market.  Basically, if there is only one thing I've learned in my time in engineering is how much I dont know about how anything works, regarding things in my profession or outside of it.   Therefore, currently my response to \"you must be smart\", is \"we all are in some way\". I dont like that answer and I need a better one.  So engineers, how do you respond?","c_root_id_A":"ff12736","c_root_id_B":"ff1tgwc","created_at_utc_A":1579474476,"created_at_utc_B":1579485806,"score_A":15,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"\"ya, that's why I drink and smoke weed.   Helps me understand the rest of you.\"","human_ref_B":"> \"I'm glad someone thinks so, could you let my professors know?\"","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11330.0,"score_ratio":1.1333333333}
{"post_id":"o12iu6","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do you guys actually enjoy being an engineer or did you mostly become one because people\/society told you the positions are lucrative? I've worked other career fields and in my personal opinion,  engineering kind of sucks.  I enjoyed schooling. But I don't necessarily want to become a professor or go back.   I would wager most of us are somewhat overthinkers. And my brain just doesn't turn off. This was probably a good thing 500 years ago. If my problem was \"I don't know when my next meal is\" or \"I want to have easy access to water\" then it would be very reasonable for my brain brain to constantly think of solutions.   But now I can overthink EVERYTHING. When I'm showering, going to bed, random ideas and solutions for work problems just pop in my head.  This is just how my brain works, and if I was using these solution processes for personal matters or home projects I'd be ecstatic,  but I don't get to choose, well the ones that stress me out the most probably get priority.   I'm not sure I'm going anywhere with this.  Just kind of ranting I guess.","c_root_id_A":"h1z04l5","c_root_id_B":"h1yxcbd","created_at_utc_A":1623853981,"created_at_utc_B":1623852703,"score_A":72,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"I have ADHD, so I\u2019m terrible at working an 8-5 job consistently. That being said, I do love the work of making a process better. I HATE the daily slog and would love to be able to work only whenever inspiration grabbed me. But that\u2019s not how the world or full time jobs work.","human_ref_B":"I absolutely love it. So much so that I\u2019m freaking out because I need to start thinking about retirement.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1278.0,"score_ratio":5.1428571429}
{"post_id":"o12iu6","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do you guys actually enjoy being an engineer or did you mostly become one because people\/society told you the positions are lucrative? I've worked other career fields and in my personal opinion,  engineering kind of sucks.  I enjoyed schooling. But I don't necessarily want to become a professor or go back.   I would wager most of us are somewhat overthinkers. And my brain just doesn't turn off. This was probably a good thing 500 years ago. If my problem was \"I don't know when my next meal is\" or \"I want to have easy access to water\" then it would be very reasonable for my brain brain to constantly think of solutions.   But now I can overthink EVERYTHING. When I'm showering, going to bed, random ideas and solutions for work problems just pop in my head.  This is just how my brain works, and if I was using these solution processes for personal matters or home projects I'd be ecstatic,  but I don't get to choose, well the ones that stress me out the most probably get priority.   I'm not sure I'm going anywhere with this.  Just kind of ranting I guess.","c_root_id_A":"h1z04l5","c_root_id_B":"h1z0204","created_at_utc_A":1623853981,"created_at_utc_B":1623853947,"score_A":72,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"I have ADHD, so I\u2019m terrible at working an 8-5 job consistently. That being said, I do love the work of making a process better. I HATE the daily slog and would love to be able to work only whenever inspiration grabbed me. But that\u2019s not how the world or full time jobs work.","human_ref_B":"I feel you. My experience after graduating has largely been disappointing. I still work in an engineering capacity but I moved away from engineering firms and project based work to dedicated positions in a specific factory or location.   While this isn't always the case, this move lead to a higher salary and a big improvement to my quality of life. I still overthink a lot but over time I've managed to control it a bit and focus it on things that are worth overthinking.  Side note: I'm a controls\/automation engineer and many mills\/factories like to have at least one on staff. This isn't the case for the other disciplines.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":34.0,"score_ratio":6.5454545455}
{"post_id":"o12iu6","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do you guys actually enjoy being an engineer or did you mostly become one because people\/society told you the positions are lucrative? I've worked other career fields and in my personal opinion,  engineering kind of sucks.  I enjoyed schooling. But I don't necessarily want to become a professor or go back.   I would wager most of us are somewhat overthinkers. And my brain just doesn't turn off. This was probably a good thing 500 years ago. If my problem was \"I don't know when my next meal is\" or \"I want to have easy access to water\" then it would be very reasonable for my brain brain to constantly think of solutions.   But now I can overthink EVERYTHING. When I'm showering, going to bed, random ideas and solutions for work problems just pop in my head.  This is just how my brain works, and if I was using these solution processes for personal matters or home projects I'd be ecstatic,  but I don't get to choose, well the ones that stress me out the most probably get priority.   I'm not sure I'm going anywhere with this.  Just kind of ranting I guess.","c_root_id_A":"h1z04l5","c_root_id_B":"h1yi7db","created_at_utc_A":1623853981,"created_at_utc_B":1623844385,"score_A":72,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"I have ADHD, so I\u2019m terrible at working an 8-5 job consistently. That being said, I do love the work of making a process better. I HATE the daily slog and would love to be able to work only whenever inspiration grabbed me. But that\u2019s not how the world or full time jobs work.","human_ref_B":"Engineerng sucks because...you think about things a lot?  You got into it because someone told you it was lucrative?   I don't think anyone, or society, ever gave the impression that engineering pays anything more than \"comfortable\" or that it is anything more than a stable way to make a middle class living. I got into engineering because the stuff engineers do all day is what I wanted to do all day. Absolutely no regrets, and I wouldn't do anything else.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9596.0,"score_ratio":6.0}
{"post_id":"o12iu6","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do you guys actually enjoy being an engineer or did you mostly become one because people\/society told you the positions are lucrative? I've worked other career fields and in my personal opinion,  engineering kind of sucks.  I enjoyed schooling. But I don't necessarily want to become a professor or go back.   I would wager most of us are somewhat overthinkers. And my brain just doesn't turn off. This was probably a good thing 500 years ago. If my problem was \"I don't know when my next meal is\" or \"I want to have easy access to water\" then it would be very reasonable for my brain brain to constantly think of solutions.   But now I can overthink EVERYTHING. When I'm showering, going to bed, random ideas and solutions for work problems just pop in my head.  This is just how my brain works, and if I was using these solution processes for personal matters or home projects I'd be ecstatic,  but I don't get to choose, well the ones that stress me out the most probably get priority.   I'm not sure I'm going anywhere with this.  Just kind of ranting I guess.","c_root_id_A":"h1zaly0","c_root_id_B":"h1z0w5y","created_at_utc_A":1623858475,"created_at_utc_B":1623854327,"score_A":45,"score_B":26,"human_ref_A":"2.5 years an engineer. I don\u2019t enjoy it but I had to pick something when I was 18 that I have to do the rest of my life so here I am","human_ref_B":">This is just how my brain works *now*  FTFY..  If you're having trouble with anxiety and intrusive thoughts, there are ways to deal with that. Personally I take an anti anxiety med. But I also found that brain training and meditation have helped. Also some CBT.   You're already used to changing the way your brain functions. That's what you've been doing in school. This is no different.   And personally, I love engineering. There are plenty of other things I would do instead if I didn't. That moment when something you worked really hard on passes some test or performs its mission is exhilarating. So good.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4148.0,"score_ratio":1.7307692308}
{"post_id":"o12iu6","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do you guys actually enjoy being an engineer or did you mostly become one because people\/society told you the positions are lucrative? I've worked other career fields and in my personal opinion,  engineering kind of sucks.  I enjoyed schooling. But I don't necessarily want to become a professor or go back.   I would wager most of us are somewhat overthinkers. And my brain just doesn't turn off. This was probably a good thing 500 years ago. If my problem was \"I don't know when my next meal is\" or \"I want to have easy access to water\" then it would be very reasonable for my brain brain to constantly think of solutions.   But now I can overthink EVERYTHING. When I'm showering, going to bed, random ideas and solutions for work problems just pop in my head.  This is just how my brain works, and if I was using these solution processes for personal matters or home projects I'd be ecstatic,  but I don't get to choose, well the ones that stress me out the most probably get priority.   I'm not sure I'm going anywhere with this.  Just kind of ranting I guess.","c_root_id_A":"h1yxcbd","c_root_id_B":"h1zaly0","created_at_utc_A":1623852703,"created_at_utc_B":1623858475,"score_A":14,"score_B":45,"human_ref_A":"I absolutely love it. So much so that I\u2019m freaking out because I need to start thinking about retirement.","human_ref_B":"2.5 years an engineer. I don\u2019t enjoy it but I had to pick something when I was 18 that I have to do the rest of my life so here I am","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5772.0,"score_ratio":3.2142857143}
{"post_id":"o12iu6","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do you guys actually enjoy being an engineer or did you mostly become one because people\/society told you the positions are lucrative? I've worked other career fields and in my personal opinion,  engineering kind of sucks.  I enjoyed schooling. But I don't necessarily want to become a professor or go back.   I would wager most of us are somewhat overthinkers. And my brain just doesn't turn off. This was probably a good thing 500 years ago. If my problem was \"I don't know when my next meal is\" or \"I want to have easy access to water\" then it would be very reasonable for my brain brain to constantly think of solutions.   But now I can overthink EVERYTHING. When I'm showering, going to bed, random ideas and solutions for work problems just pop in my head.  This is just how my brain works, and if I was using these solution processes for personal matters or home projects I'd be ecstatic,  but I don't get to choose, well the ones that stress me out the most probably get priority.   I'm not sure I'm going anywhere with this.  Just kind of ranting I guess.","c_root_id_A":"h1zaly0","c_root_id_B":"h1z8rb6","created_at_utc_A":1623858475,"created_at_utc_B":1623857723,"score_A":45,"score_B":16,"human_ref_A":"2.5 years an engineer. I don\u2019t enjoy it but I had to pick something when I was 18 that I have to do the rest of my life so here I am","human_ref_B":"Nope, hate it. Have always hated it. Grew up poor, wanted a job where I knew I'd make money.   I do enjoy some ASPECTS of engineering - I like solving problems, I like debugging the programs I write to do my analyses. I like when I'm so caught up in a problem that my day flies by... but I find that my ability to dig into those issues gets less and less over time - because I don't really look forward to it.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":752.0,"score_ratio":2.8125}
{"post_id":"o12iu6","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do you guys actually enjoy being an engineer or did you mostly become one because people\/society told you the positions are lucrative? I've worked other career fields and in my personal opinion,  engineering kind of sucks.  I enjoyed schooling. But I don't necessarily want to become a professor or go back.   I would wager most of us are somewhat overthinkers. And my brain just doesn't turn off. This was probably a good thing 500 years ago. If my problem was \"I don't know when my next meal is\" or \"I want to have easy access to water\" then it would be very reasonable for my brain brain to constantly think of solutions.   But now I can overthink EVERYTHING. When I'm showering, going to bed, random ideas and solutions for work problems just pop in my head.  This is just how my brain works, and if I was using these solution processes for personal matters or home projects I'd be ecstatic,  but I don't get to choose, well the ones that stress me out the most probably get priority.   I'm not sure I'm going anywhere with this.  Just kind of ranting I guess.","c_root_id_A":"h1zaly0","c_root_id_B":"h1z0204","created_at_utc_A":1623858475,"created_at_utc_B":1623853947,"score_A":45,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"2.5 years an engineer. I don\u2019t enjoy it but I had to pick something when I was 18 that I have to do the rest of my life so here I am","human_ref_B":"I feel you. My experience after graduating has largely been disappointing. I still work in an engineering capacity but I moved away from engineering firms and project based work to dedicated positions in a specific factory or location.   While this isn't always the case, this move lead to a higher salary and a big improvement to my quality of life. I still overthink a lot but over time I've managed to control it a bit and focus it on things that are worth overthinking.  Side note: I'm a controls\/automation engineer and many mills\/factories like to have at least one on staff. This isn't the case for the other disciplines.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4528.0,"score_ratio":4.0909090909}
{"post_id":"o12iu6","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do you guys actually enjoy being an engineer or did you mostly become one because people\/society told you the positions are lucrative? I've worked other career fields and in my personal opinion,  engineering kind of sucks.  I enjoyed schooling. But I don't necessarily want to become a professor or go back.   I would wager most of us are somewhat overthinkers. And my brain just doesn't turn off. This was probably a good thing 500 years ago. If my problem was \"I don't know when my next meal is\" or \"I want to have easy access to water\" then it would be very reasonable for my brain brain to constantly think of solutions.   But now I can overthink EVERYTHING. When I'm showering, going to bed, random ideas and solutions for work problems just pop in my head.  This is just how my brain works, and if I was using these solution processes for personal matters or home projects I'd be ecstatic,  but I don't get to choose, well the ones that stress me out the most probably get priority.   I'm not sure I'm going anywhere with this.  Just kind of ranting I guess.","c_root_id_A":"h1z6pna","c_root_id_B":"h1zaly0","created_at_utc_A":1623856835,"created_at_utc_B":1623858475,"score_A":10,"score_B":45,"human_ref_A":"I was definitely \"strongly encouraged\" to pursue engineering, as it was considered to be an easier lifestyle compared to screenwriting. Reason being, my parents looked to great pay to indicate a comfortable lifestyle for their kid. Not an inherently bad reason, which made it really hard for me to argue against, lol. The line I always heard was, \"You can be an engineer who writes but not a writer who engineers\".  It was sheer chance that I preferred a certain lifestyle, and that lifestyle was not one of the starving artist. It was also sheer chance that this year I discovered that I love coding! So, ya know, maybe industrial engineer was just a good stepping stone. The biggest thing that holds me back from loving my work, regardless of the job title, is that I can't \"drink the kool-aid\". I can't get myself to buy into the mindset of \"I love this company, I want to work here forever, I believe in this product\". I don't know if that mindset will come with time, or if I'm really a hobbiest at heart.  Biggest thing I can say is to find an industry you don't hate. Food processing (wine, cheese, tomato canning, etc) was right up my alley due to my love of cooking and baking. So when I got internships at those kinds of companies, I relied on the product to inspire learning in other areas of engineering. I also enjoyed my time more if I liked the people around me, for obvious reasons. Nothing made me want to quit more than a bad boss!!","human_ref_B":"2.5 years an engineer. I don\u2019t enjoy it but I had to pick something when I was 18 that I have to do the rest of my life so here I am","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1640.0,"score_ratio":4.5}
{"post_id":"o12iu6","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do you guys actually enjoy being an engineer or did you mostly become one because people\/society told you the positions are lucrative? I've worked other career fields and in my personal opinion,  engineering kind of sucks.  I enjoyed schooling. But I don't necessarily want to become a professor or go back.   I would wager most of us are somewhat overthinkers. And my brain just doesn't turn off. This was probably a good thing 500 years ago. If my problem was \"I don't know when my next meal is\" or \"I want to have easy access to water\" then it would be very reasonable for my brain brain to constantly think of solutions.   But now I can overthink EVERYTHING. When I'm showering, going to bed, random ideas and solutions for work problems just pop in my head.  This is just how my brain works, and if I was using these solution processes for personal matters or home projects I'd be ecstatic,  but I don't get to choose, well the ones that stress me out the most probably get priority.   I'm not sure I'm going anywhere with this.  Just kind of ranting I guess.","c_root_id_A":"h1z74zo","c_root_id_B":"h1zaly0","created_at_utc_A":1623857014,"created_at_utc_B":1623858475,"score_A":9,"score_B":45,"human_ref_A":"lucrative my ass","human_ref_B":"2.5 years an engineer. I don\u2019t enjoy it but I had to pick something when I was 18 that I have to do the rest of my life so here I am","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1461.0,"score_ratio":5.0}
{"post_id":"o12iu6","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do you guys actually enjoy being an engineer or did you mostly become one because people\/society told you the positions are lucrative? I've worked other career fields and in my personal opinion,  engineering kind of sucks.  I enjoyed schooling. But I don't necessarily want to become a professor or go back.   I would wager most of us are somewhat overthinkers. And my brain just doesn't turn off. This was probably a good thing 500 years ago. If my problem was \"I don't know when my next meal is\" or \"I want to have easy access to water\" then it would be very reasonable for my brain brain to constantly think of solutions.   But now I can overthink EVERYTHING. When I'm showering, going to bed, random ideas and solutions for work problems just pop in my head.  This is just how my brain works, and if I was using these solution processes for personal matters or home projects I'd be ecstatic,  but I don't get to choose, well the ones that stress me out the most probably get priority.   I'm not sure I'm going anywhere with this.  Just kind of ranting I guess.","c_root_id_A":"h1yi7db","c_root_id_B":"h1zaly0","created_at_utc_A":1623844385,"created_at_utc_B":1623858475,"score_A":12,"score_B":45,"human_ref_A":"Engineerng sucks because...you think about things a lot?  You got into it because someone told you it was lucrative?   I don't think anyone, or society, ever gave the impression that engineering pays anything more than \"comfortable\" or that it is anything more than a stable way to make a middle class living. I got into engineering because the stuff engineers do all day is what I wanted to do all day. Absolutely no regrets, and I wouldn't do anything else.","human_ref_B":"2.5 years an engineer. I don\u2019t enjoy it but I had to pick something when I was 18 that I have to do the rest of my life so here I am","labels":0,"seconds_difference":14090.0,"score_ratio":3.75}
{"post_id":"o12iu6","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do you guys actually enjoy being an engineer or did you mostly become one because people\/society told you the positions are lucrative? I've worked other career fields and in my personal opinion,  engineering kind of sucks.  I enjoyed schooling. But I don't necessarily want to become a professor or go back.   I would wager most of us are somewhat overthinkers. And my brain just doesn't turn off. This was probably a good thing 500 years ago. If my problem was \"I don't know when my next meal is\" or \"I want to have easy access to water\" then it would be very reasonable for my brain brain to constantly think of solutions.   But now I can overthink EVERYTHING. When I'm showering, going to bed, random ideas and solutions for work problems just pop in my head.  This is just how my brain works, and if I was using these solution processes for personal matters or home projects I'd be ecstatic,  but I don't get to choose, well the ones that stress me out the most probably get priority.   I'm not sure I'm going anywhere with this.  Just kind of ranting I guess.","c_root_id_A":"h1zaly0","c_root_id_B":"h1z3ewz","created_at_utc_A":1623858475,"created_at_utc_B":1623855444,"score_A":45,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"2.5 years an engineer. I don\u2019t enjoy it but I had to pick something when I was 18 that I have to do the rest of my life so here I am","human_ref_B":"I don\u2019t love it every day, but I do enjoy it over pretty much any other job I\u2019ve tried or considered. And some days it\u2019s just pure fun.   And the pay is good, which allows me to live the life I want with a good margin. It\u2019s nice to see my savings account grow while still having fun. Not having financial problems is awesome.   Regarding the overthinking thing, it\u2019s important to find ways to relax and charge your batteries, for me I\u2019ve found that jogging, mindfulness meditation and talking (even if it\u2019s just over the phone) with friend and family helps a ton.   You just have to find your outlets!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3031.0,"score_ratio":5.625}
{"post_id":"o12iu6","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do you guys actually enjoy being an engineer or did you mostly become one because people\/society told you the positions are lucrative? I've worked other career fields and in my personal opinion,  engineering kind of sucks.  I enjoyed schooling. But I don't necessarily want to become a professor or go back.   I would wager most of us are somewhat overthinkers. And my brain just doesn't turn off. This was probably a good thing 500 years ago. If my problem was \"I don't know when my next meal is\" or \"I want to have easy access to water\" then it would be very reasonable for my brain brain to constantly think of solutions.   But now I can overthink EVERYTHING. When I'm showering, going to bed, random ideas and solutions for work problems just pop in my head.  This is just how my brain works, and if I was using these solution processes for personal matters or home projects I'd be ecstatic,  but I don't get to choose, well the ones that stress me out the most probably get priority.   I'm not sure I'm going anywhere with this.  Just kind of ranting I guess.","c_root_id_A":"h1yxcbd","c_root_id_B":"h1z0w5y","created_at_utc_A":1623852703,"created_at_utc_B":1623854327,"score_A":14,"score_B":26,"human_ref_A":"I absolutely love it. So much so that I\u2019m freaking out because I need to start thinking about retirement.","human_ref_B":">This is just how my brain works *now*  FTFY..  If you're having trouble with anxiety and intrusive thoughts, there are ways to deal with that. Personally I take an anti anxiety med. But I also found that brain training and meditation have helped. Also some CBT.   You're already used to changing the way your brain functions. That's what you've been doing in school. This is no different.   And personally, I love engineering. There are plenty of other things I would do instead if I didn't. That moment when something you worked really hard on passes some test or performs its mission is exhilarating. So good.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1624.0,"score_ratio":1.8571428571}
{"post_id":"o12iu6","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do you guys actually enjoy being an engineer or did you mostly become one because people\/society told you the positions are lucrative? I've worked other career fields and in my personal opinion,  engineering kind of sucks.  I enjoyed schooling. But I don't necessarily want to become a professor or go back.   I would wager most of us are somewhat overthinkers. And my brain just doesn't turn off. This was probably a good thing 500 years ago. If my problem was \"I don't know when my next meal is\" or \"I want to have easy access to water\" then it would be very reasonable for my brain brain to constantly think of solutions.   But now I can overthink EVERYTHING. When I'm showering, going to bed, random ideas and solutions for work problems just pop in my head.  This is just how my brain works, and if I was using these solution processes for personal matters or home projects I'd be ecstatic,  but I don't get to choose, well the ones that stress me out the most probably get priority.   I'm not sure I'm going anywhere with this.  Just kind of ranting I guess.","c_root_id_A":"h1z0204","c_root_id_B":"h1z0w5y","created_at_utc_A":1623853947,"created_at_utc_B":1623854327,"score_A":11,"score_B":26,"human_ref_A":"I feel you. My experience after graduating has largely been disappointing. I still work in an engineering capacity but I moved away from engineering firms and project based work to dedicated positions in a specific factory or location.   While this isn't always the case, this move lead to a higher salary and a big improvement to my quality of life. I still overthink a lot but over time I've managed to control it a bit and focus it on things that are worth overthinking.  Side note: I'm a controls\/automation engineer and many mills\/factories like to have at least one on staff. This isn't the case for the other disciplines.","human_ref_B":">This is just how my brain works *now*  FTFY..  If you're having trouble with anxiety and intrusive thoughts, there are ways to deal with that. Personally I take an anti anxiety med. But I also found that brain training and meditation have helped. Also some CBT.   You're already used to changing the way your brain functions. That's what you've been doing in school. This is no different.   And personally, I love engineering. There are plenty of other things I would do instead if I didn't. That moment when something you worked really hard on passes some test or performs its mission is exhilarating. So good.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":380.0,"score_ratio":2.3636363636}
{"post_id":"o12iu6","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do you guys actually enjoy being an engineer or did you mostly become one because people\/society told you the positions are lucrative? I've worked other career fields and in my personal opinion,  engineering kind of sucks.  I enjoyed schooling. But I don't necessarily want to become a professor or go back.   I would wager most of us are somewhat overthinkers. And my brain just doesn't turn off. This was probably a good thing 500 years ago. If my problem was \"I don't know when my next meal is\" or \"I want to have easy access to water\" then it would be very reasonable for my brain brain to constantly think of solutions.   But now I can overthink EVERYTHING. When I'm showering, going to bed, random ideas and solutions for work problems just pop in my head.  This is just how my brain works, and if I was using these solution processes for personal matters or home projects I'd be ecstatic,  but I don't get to choose, well the ones that stress me out the most probably get priority.   I'm not sure I'm going anywhere with this.  Just kind of ranting I guess.","c_root_id_A":"h1z0w5y","c_root_id_B":"h1yi7db","created_at_utc_A":1623854327,"created_at_utc_B":1623844385,"score_A":26,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":">This is just how my brain works *now*  FTFY..  If you're having trouble with anxiety and intrusive thoughts, there are ways to deal with that. Personally I take an anti anxiety med. But I also found that brain training and meditation have helped. Also some CBT.   You're already used to changing the way your brain functions. That's what you've been doing in school. This is no different.   And personally, I love engineering. There are plenty of other things I would do instead if I didn't. That moment when something you worked really hard on passes some test or performs its mission is exhilarating. So good.","human_ref_B":"Engineerng sucks because...you think about things a lot?  You got into it because someone told you it was lucrative?   I don't think anyone, or society, ever gave the impression that engineering pays anything more than \"comfortable\" or that it is anything more than a stable way to make a middle class living. I got into engineering because the stuff engineers do all day is what I wanted to do all day. Absolutely no regrets, and I wouldn't do anything else.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9942.0,"score_ratio":2.1666666667}
{"post_id":"o12iu6","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do you guys actually enjoy being an engineer or did you mostly become one because people\/society told you the positions are lucrative? I've worked other career fields and in my personal opinion,  engineering kind of sucks.  I enjoyed schooling. But I don't necessarily want to become a professor or go back.   I would wager most of us are somewhat overthinkers. And my brain just doesn't turn off. This was probably a good thing 500 years ago. If my problem was \"I don't know when my next meal is\" or \"I want to have easy access to water\" then it would be very reasonable for my brain brain to constantly think of solutions.   But now I can overthink EVERYTHING. When I'm showering, going to bed, random ideas and solutions for work problems just pop in my head.  This is just how my brain works, and if I was using these solution processes for personal matters or home projects I'd be ecstatic,  but I don't get to choose, well the ones that stress me out the most probably get priority.   I'm not sure I'm going anywhere with this.  Just kind of ranting I guess.","c_root_id_A":"h1yxcbd","c_root_id_B":"h1zij48","created_at_utc_A":1623852703,"created_at_utc_B":1623861827,"score_A":14,"score_B":19,"human_ref_A":"I absolutely love it. So much so that I\u2019m freaking out because I need to start thinking about retirement.","human_ref_B":"Engineer's still get a good deal. Minimal schooling, good job market, normal schedules\/hours mostly. I wanted to make nice money in my 20's and start my life after a bachelor's degree. I could've made $200k at the start of my 20's or $350k in my mid 30's doing a few other career paths like relatives had taken. But realized you can live like a king on an engineer's salary if you don't want kids, and that my free time and 20's were invaluable to me.  I get my afternoon and weekends, and get to spend money freely within reason. Its a good gig.  Knew I then needed to be an engineer, so found an area of concentration that I liked and wouldn't kill myself with. People miss that second step often.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9124.0,"score_ratio":1.3571428571}
{"post_id":"o12iu6","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do you guys actually enjoy being an engineer or did you mostly become one because people\/society told you the positions are lucrative? I've worked other career fields and in my personal opinion,  engineering kind of sucks.  I enjoyed schooling. But I don't necessarily want to become a professor or go back.   I would wager most of us are somewhat overthinkers. And my brain just doesn't turn off. This was probably a good thing 500 years ago. If my problem was \"I don't know when my next meal is\" or \"I want to have easy access to water\" then it would be very reasonable for my brain brain to constantly think of solutions.   But now I can overthink EVERYTHING. When I'm showering, going to bed, random ideas and solutions for work problems just pop in my head.  This is just how my brain works, and if I was using these solution processes for personal matters or home projects I'd be ecstatic,  but I don't get to choose, well the ones that stress me out the most probably get priority.   I'm not sure I'm going anywhere with this.  Just kind of ranting I guess.","c_root_id_A":"h1z8rb6","c_root_id_B":"h1zij48","created_at_utc_A":1623857723,"created_at_utc_B":1623861827,"score_A":16,"score_B":19,"human_ref_A":"Nope, hate it. Have always hated it. Grew up poor, wanted a job where I knew I'd make money.   I do enjoy some ASPECTS of engineering - I like solving problems, I like debugging the programs I write to do my analyses. I like when I'm so caught up in a problem that my day flies by... but I find that my ability to dig into those issues gets less and less over time - because I don't really look forward to it.","human_ref_B":"Engineer's still get a good deal. Minimal schooling, good job market, normal schedules\/hours mostly. I wanted to make nice money in my 20's and start my life after a bachelor's degree. I could've made $200k at the start of my 20's or $350k in my mid 30's doing a few other career paths like relatives had taken. But realized you can live like a king on an engineer's salary if you don't want kids, and that my free time and 20's were invaluable to me.  I get my afternoon and weekends, and get to spend money freely within reason. Its a good gig.  Knew I then needed to be an engineer, so found an area of concentration that I liked and wouldn't kill myself with. People miss that second step often.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4104.0,"score_ratio":1.1875}
{"post_id":"o12iu6","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do you guys actually enjoy being an engineer or did you mostly become one because people\/society told you the positions are lucrative? I've worked other career fields and in my personal opinion,  engineering kind of sucks.  I enjoyed schooling. But I don't necessarily want to become a professor or go back.   I would wager most of us are somewhat overthinkers. And my brain just doesn't turn off. This was probably a good thing 500 years ago. If my problem was \"I don't know when my next meal is\" or \"I want to have easy access to water\" then it would be very reasonable for my brain brain to constantly think of solutions.   But now I can overthink EVERYTHING. When I'm showering, going to bed, random ideas and solutions for work problems just pop in my head.  This is just how my brain works, and if I was using these solution processes for personal matters or home projects I'd be ecstatic,  but I don't get to choose, well the ones that stress me out the most probably get priority.   I'm not sure I'm going anywhere with this.  Just kind of ranting I guess.","c_root_id_A":"h1zij48","c_root_id_B":"h1z0204","created_at_utc_A":1623861827,"created_at_utc_B":1623853947,"score_A":19,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"Engineer's still get a good deal. Minimal schooling, good job market, normal schedules\/hours mostly. I wanted to make nice money in my 20's and start my life after a bachelor's degree. I could've made $200k at the start of my 20's or $350k in my mid 30's doing a few other career paths like relatives had taken. But realized you can live like a king on an engineer's salary if you don't want kids, and that my free time and 20's were invaluable to me.  I get my afternoon and weekends, and get to spend money freely within reason. Its a good gig.  Knew I then needed to be an engineer, so found an area of concentration that I liked and wouldn't kill myself with. People miss that second step often.","human_ref_B":"I feel you. My experience after graduating has largely been disappointing. I still work in an engineering capacity but I moved away from engineering firms and project based work to dedicated positions in a specific factory or location.   While this isn't always the case, this move lead to a higher salary and a big improvement to my quality of life. I still overthink a lot but over time I've managed to control it a bit and focus it on things that are worth overthinking.  Side note: I'm a controls\/automation engineer and many mills\/factories like to have at least one on staff. This isn't the case for the other disciplines.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7880.0,"score_ratio":1.7272727273}
{"post_id":"o12iu6","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do you guys actually enjoy being an engineer or did you mostly become one because people\/society told you the positions are lucrative? I've worked other career fields and in my personal opinion,  engineering kind of sucks.  I enjoyed schooling. But I don't necessarily want to become a professor or go back.   I would wager most of us are somewhat overthinkers. And my brain just doesn't turn off. This was probably a good thing 500 years ago. If my problem was \"I don't know when my next meal is\" or \"I want to have easy access to water\" then it would be very reasonable for my brain brain to constantly think of solutions.   But now I can overthink EVERYTHING. When I'm showering, going to bed, random ideas and solutions for work problems just pop in my head.  This is just how my brain works, and if I was using these solution processes for personal matters or home projects I'd be ecstatic,  but I don't get to choose, well the ones that stress me out the most probably get priority.   I'm not sure I'm going anywhere with this.  Just kind of ranting I guess.","c_root_id_A":"h1zij48","c_root_id_B":"h1z6pna","created_at_utc_A":1623861827,"created_at_utc_B":1623856835,"score_A":19,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"Engineer's still get a good deal. Minimal schooling, good job market, normal schedules\/hours mostly. I wanted to make nice money in my 20's and start my life after a bachelor's degree. I could've made $200k at the start of my 20's or $350k in my mid 30's doing a few other career paths like relatives had taken. But realized you can live like a king on an engineer's salary if you don't want kids, and that my free time and 20's were invaluable to me.  I get my afternoon and weekends, and get to spend money freely within reason. Its a good gig.  Knew I then needed to be an engineer, so found an area of concentration that I liked and wouldn't kill myself with. People miss that second step often.","human_ref_B":"I was definitely \"strongly encouraged\" to pursue engineering, as it was considered to be an easier lifestyle compared to screenwriting. Reason being, my parents looked to great pay to indicate a comfortable lifestyle for their kid. Not an inherently bad reason, which made it really hard for me to argue against, lol. The line I always heard was, \"You can be an engineer who writes but not a writer who engineers\".  It was sheer chance that I preferred a certain lifestyle, and that lifestyle was not one of the starving artist. It was also sheer chance that this year I discovered that I love coding! So, ya know, maybe industrial engineer was just a good stepping stone. The biggest thing that holds me back from loving my work, regardless of the job title, is that I can't \"drink the kool-aid\". I can't get myself to buy into the mindset of \"I love this company, I want to work here forever, I believe in this product\". I don't know if that mindset will come with time, or if I'm really a hobbiest at heart.  Biggest thing I can say is to find an industry you don't hate. Food processing (wine, cheese, tomato canning, etc) was right up my alley due to my love of cooking and baking. So when I got internships at those kinds of companies, I relied on the product to inspire learning in other areas of engineering. I also enjoyed my time more if I liked the people around me, for obvious reasons. Nothing made me want to quit more than a bad boss!!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4992.0,"score_ratio":1.9}
{"post_id":"o12iu6","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do you guys actually enjoy being an engineer or did you mostly become one because people\/society told you the positions are lucrative? I've worked other career fields and in my personal opinion,  engineering kind of sucks.  I enjoyed schooling. But I don't necessarily want to become a professor or go back.   I would wager most of us are somewhat overthinkers. And my brain just doesn't turn off. This was probably a good thing 500 years ago. If my problem was \"I don't know when my next meal is\" or \"I want to have easy access to water\" then it would be very reasonable for my brain brain to constantly think of solutions.   But now I can overthink EVERYTHING. When I'm showering, going to bed, random ideas and solutions for work problems just pop in my head.  This is just how my brain works, and if I was using these solution processes for personal matters or home projects I'd be ecstatic,  but I don't get to choose, well the ones that stress me out the most probably get priority.   I'm not sure I'm going anywhere with this.  Just kind of ranting I guess.","c_root_id_A":"h1zij48","c_root_id_B":"h1z74zo","created_at_utc_A":1623861827,"created_at_utc_B":1623857014,"score_A":19,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Engineer's still get a good deal. Minimal schooling, good job market, normal schedules\/hours mostly. I wanted to make nice money in my 20's and start my life after a bachelor's degree. I could've made $200k at the start of my 20's or $350k in my mid 30's doing a few other career paths like relatives had taken. But realized you can live like a king on an engineer's salary if you don't want kids, and that my free time and 20's were invaluable to me.  I get my afternoon and weekends, and get to spend money freely within reason. Its a good gig.  Knew I then needed to be an engineer, so found an area of concentration that I liked and wouldn't kill myself with. People miss that second step often.","human_ref_B":"lucrative my ass","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4813.0,"score_ratio":2.1111111111}
{"post_id":"o12iu6","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do you guys actually enjoy being an engineer or did you mostly become one because people\/society told you the positions are lucrative? I've worked other career fields and in my personal opinion,  engineering kind of sucks.  I enjoyed schooling. But I don't necessarily want to become a professor or go back.   I would wager most of us are somewhat overthinkers. And my brain just doesn't turn off. This was probably a good thing 500 years ago. If my problem was \"I don't know when my next meal is\" or \"I want to have easy access to water\" then it would be very reasonable for my brain brain to constantly think of solutions.   But now I can overthink EVERYTHING. When I'm showering, going to bed, random ideas and solutions for work problems just pop in my head.  This is just how my brain works, and if I was using these solution processes for personal matters or home projects I'd be ecstatic,  but I don't get to choose, well the ones that stress me out the most probably get priority.   I'm not sure I'm going anywhere with this.  Just kind of ranting I guess.","c_root_id_A":"h1yi7db","c_root_id_B":"h1zij48","created_at_utc_A":1623844385,"created_at_utc_B":1623861827,"score_A":12,"score_B":19,"human_ref_A":"Engineerng sucks because...you think about things a lot?  You got into it because someone told you it was lucrative?   I don't think anyone, or society, ever gave the impression that engineering pays anything more than \"comfortable\" or that it is anything more than a stable way to make a middle class living. I got into engineering because the stuff engineers do all day is what I wanted to do all day. Absolutely no regrets, and I wouldn't do anything else.","human_ref_B":"Engineer's still get a good deal. Minimal schooling, good job market, normal schedules\/hours mostly. I wanted to make nice money in my 20's and start my life after a bachelor's degree. I could've made $200k at the start of my 20's or $350k in my mid 30's doing a few other career paths like relatives had taken. But realized you can live like a king on an engineer's salary if you don't want kids, and that my free time and 20's were invaluable to me.  I get my afternoon and weekends, and get to spend money freely within reason. Its a good gig.  Knew I then needed to be an engineer, so found an area of concentration that I liked and wouldn't kill myself with. People miss that second step often.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":17442.0,"score_ratio":1.5833333333}
{"post_id":"o12iu6","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do you guys actually enjoy being an engineer or did you mostly become one because people\/society told you the positions are lucrative? I've worked other career fields and in my personal opinion,  engineering kind of sucks.  I enjoyed schooling. But I don't necessarily want to become a professor or go back.   I would wager most of us are somewhat overthinkers. And my brain just doesn't turn off. This was probably a good thing 500 years ago. If my problem was \"I don't know when my next meal is\" or \"I want to have easy access to water\" then it would be very reasonable for my brain brain to constantly think of solutions.   But now I can overthink EVERYTHING. When I'm showering, going to bed, random ideas and solutions for work problems just pop in my head.  This is just how my brain works, and if I was using these solution processes for personal matters or home projects I'd be ecstatic,  but I don't get to choose, well the ones that stress me out the most probably get priority.   I'm not sure I'm going anywhere with this.  Just kind of ranting I guess.","c_root_id_A":"h1zij48","c_root_id_B":"h1z3ewz","created_at_utc_A":1623861827,"created_at_utc_B":1623855444,"score_A":19,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"Engineer's still get a good deal. Minimal schooling, good job market, normal schedules\/hours mostly. I wanted to make nice money in my 20's and start my life after a bachelor's degree. I could've made $200k at the start of my 20's or $350k in my mid 30's doing a few other career paths like relatives had taken. But realized you can live like a king on an engineer's salary if you don't want kids, and that my free time and 20's were invaluable to me.  I get my afternoon and weekends, and get to spend money freely within reason. Its a good gig.  Knew I then needed to be an engineer, so found an area of concentration that I liked and wouldn't kill myself with. People miss that second step often.","human_ref_B":"I don\u2019t love it every day, but I do enjoy it over pretty much any other job I\u2019ve tried or considered. And some days it\u2019s just pure fun.   And the pay is good, which allows me to live the life I want with a good margin. It\u2019s nice to see my savings account grow while still having fun. Not having financial problems is awesome.   Regarding the overthinking thing, it\u2019s important to find ways to relax and charge your batteries, for me I\u2019ve found that jogging, mindfulness meditation and talking (even if it\u2019s just over the phone) with friend and family helps a ton.   You just have to find your outlets!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6383.0,"score_ratio":2.375}
{"post_id":"o12iu6","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do you guys actually enjoy being an engineer or did you mostly become one because people\/society told you the positions are lucrative? I've worked other career fields and in my personal opinion,  engineering kind of sucks.  I enjoyed schooling. But I don't necessarily want to become a professor or go back.   I would wager most of us are somewhat overthinkers. And my brain just doesn't turn off. This was probably a good thing 500 years ago. If my problem was \"I don't know when my next meal is\" or \"I want to have easy access to water\" then it would be very reasonable for my brain brain to constantly think of solutions.   But now I can overthink EVERYTHING. When I'm showering, going to bed, random ideas and solutions for work problems just pop in my head.  This is just how my brain works, and if I was using these solution processes for personal matters or home projects I'd be ecstatic,  but I don't get to choose, well the ones that stress me out the most probably get priority.   I'm not sure I'm going anywhere with this.  Just kind of ranting I guess.","c_root_id_A":"h1z8rb6","c_root_id_B":"h1yxcbd","created_at_utc_A":1623857723,"created_at_utc_B":1623852703,"score_A":16,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"Nope, hate it. Have always hated it. Grew up poor, wanted a job where I knew I'd make money.   I do enjoy some ASPECTS of engineering - I like solving problems, I like debugging the programs I write to do my analyses. I like when I'm so caught up in a problem that my day flies by... but I find that my ability to dig into those issues gets less and less over time - because I don't really look forward to it.","human_ref_B":"I absolutely love it. So much so that I\u2019m freaking out because I need to start thinking about retirement.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5020.0,"score_ratio":1.1428571429}
{"post_id":"o12iu6","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do you guys actually enjoy being an engineer or did you mostly become one because people\/society told you the positions are lucrative? I've worked other career fields and in my personal opinion,  engineering kind of sucks.  I enjoyed schooling. But I don't necessarily want to become a professor or go back.   I would wager most of us are somewhat overthinkers. And my brain just doesn't turn off. This was probably a good thing 500 years ago. If my problem was \"I don't know when my next meal is\" or \"I want to have easy access to water\" then it would be very reasonable for my brain brain to constantly think of solutions.   But now I can overthink EVERYTHING. When I'm showering, going to bed, random ideas and solutions for work problems just pop in my head.  This is just how my brain works, and if I was using these solution processes for personal matters or home projects I'd be ecstatic,  but I don't get to choose, well the ones that stress me out the most probably get priority.   I'm not sure I'm going anywhere with this.  Just kind of ranting I guess.","c_root_id_A":"h1yxcbd","c_root_id_B":"h1yi7db","created_at_utc_A":1623852703,"created_at_utc_B":1623844385,"score_A":14,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"I absolutely love it. So much so that I\u2019m freaking out because I need to start thinking about retirement.","human_ref_B":"Engineerng sucks because...you think about things a lot?  You got into it because someone told you it was lucrative?   I don't think anyone, or society, ever gave the impression that engineering pays anything more than \"comfortable\" or that it is anything more than a stable way to make a middle class living. I got into engineering because the stuff engineers do all day is what I wanted to do all day. Absolutely no regrets, and I wouldn't do anything else.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8318.0,"score_ratio":1.1666666667}
{"post_id":"o12iu6","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do you guys actually enjoy being an engineer or did you mostly become one because people\/society told you the positions are lucrative? I've worked other career fields and in my personal opinion,  engineering kind of sucks.  I enjoyed schooling. But I don't necessarily want to become a professor or go back.   I would wager most of us are somewhat overthinkers. And my brain just doesn't turn off. This was probably a good thing 500 years ago. If my problem was \"I don't know when my next meal is\" or \"I want to have easy access to water\" then it would be very reasonable for my brain brain to constantly think of solutions.   But now I can overthink EVERYTHING. When I'm showering, going to bed, random ideas and solutions for work problems just pop in my head.  This is just how my brain works, and if I was using these solution processes for personal matters or home projects I'd be ecstatic,  but I don't get to choose, well the ones that stress me out the most probably get priority.   I'm not sure I'm going anywhere with this.  Just kind of ranting I guess.","c_root_id_A":"h1z8rb6","c_root_id_B":"h1z0204","created_at_utc_A":1623857723,"created_at_utc_B":1623853947,"score_A":16,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"Nope, hate it. Have always hated it. Grew up poor, wanted a job where I knew I'd make money.   I do enjoy some ASPECTS of engineering - I like solving problems, I like debugging the programs I write to do my analyses. I like when I'm so caught up in a problem that my day flies by... but I find that my ability to dig into those issues gets less and less over time - because I don't really look forward to it.","human_ref_B":"I feel you. My experience after graduating has largely been disappointing. I still work in an engineering capacity but I moved away from engineering firms and project based work to dedicated positions in a specific factory or location.   While this isn't always the case, this move lead to a higher salary and a big improvement to my quality of life. I still overthink a lot but over time I've managed to control it a bit and focus it on things that are worth overthinking.  Side note: I'm a controls\/automation engineer and many mills\/factories like to have at least one on staff. This isn't the case for the other disciplines.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3776.0,"score_ratio":1.4545454545}
{"post_id":"o12iu6","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do you guys actually enjoy being an engineer or did you mostly become one because people\/society told you the positions are lucrative? I've worked other career fields and in my personal opinion,  engineering kind of sucks.  I enjoyed schooling. But I don't necessarily want to become a professor or go back.   I would wager most of us are somewhat overthinkers. And my brain just doesn't turn off. This was probably a good thing 500 years ago. If my problem was \"I don't know when my next meal is\" or \"I want to have easy access to water\" then it would be very reasonable for my brain brain to constantly think of solutions.   But now I can overthink EVERYTHING. When I'm showering, going to bed, random ideas and solutions for work problems just pop in my head.  This is just how my brain works, and if I was using these solution processes for personal matters or home projects I'd be ecstatic,  but I don't get to choose, well the ones that stress me out the most probably get priority.   I'm not sure I'm going anywhere with this.  Just kind of ranting I guess.","c_root_id_A":"h1z6pna","c_root_id_B":"h1z8rb6","created_at_utc_A":1623856835,"created_at_utc_B":1623857723,"score_A":10,"score_B":16,"human_ref_A":"I was definitely \"strongly encouraged\" to pursue engineering, as it was considered to be an easier lifestyle compared to screenwriting. Reason being, my parents looked to great pay to indicate a comfortable lifestyle for their kid. Not an inherently bad reason, which made it really hard for me to argue against, lol. The line I always heard was, \"You can be an engineer who writes but not a writer who engineers\".  It was sheer chance that I preferred a certain lifestyle, and that lifestyle was not one of the starving artist. It was also sheer chance that this year I discovered that I love coding! So, ya know, maybe industrial engineer was just a good stepping stone. The biggest thing that holds me back from loving my work, regardless of the job title, is that I can't \"drink the kool-aid\". I can't get myself to buy into the mindset of \"I love this company, I want to work here forever, I believe in this product\". I don't know if that mindset will come with time, or if I'm really a hobbiest at heart.  Biggest thing I can say is to find an industry you don't hate. Food processing (wine, cheese, tomato canning, etc) was right up my alley due to my love of cooking and baking. So when I got internships at those kinds of companies, I relied on the product to inspire learning in other areas of engineering. I also enjoyed my time more if I liked the people around me, for obvious reasons. Nothing made me want to quit more than a bad boss!!","human_ref_B":"Nope, hate it. Have always hated it. Grew up poor, wanted a job where I knew I'd make money.   I do enjoy some ASPECTS of engineering - I like solving problems, I like debugging the programs I write to do my analyses. I like when I'm so caught up in a problem that my day flies by... but I find that my ability to dig into those issues gets less and less over time - because I don't really look forward to it.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":888.0,"score_ratio":1.6}
{"post_id":"o12iu6","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do you guys actually enjoy being an engineer or did you mostly become one because people\/society told you the positions are lucrative? I've worked other career fields and in my personal opinion,  engineering kind of sucks.  I enjoyed schooling. But I don't necessarily want to become a professor or go back.   I would wager most of us are somewhat overthinkers. And my brain just doesn't turn off. This was probably a good thing 500 years ago. If my problem was \"I don't know when my next meal is\" or \"I want to have easy access to water\" then it would be very reasonable for my brain brain to constantly think of solutions.   But now I can overthink EVERYTHING. When I'm showering, going to bed, random ideas and solutions for work problems just pop in my head.  This is just how my brain works, and if I was using these solution processes for personal matters or home projects I'd be ecstatic,  but I don't get to choose, well the ones that stress me out the most probably get priority.   I'm not sure I'm going anywhere with this.  Just kind of ranting I guess.","c_root_id_A":"h1z8rb6","c_root_id_B":"h1z74zo","created_at_utc_A":1623857723,"created_at_utc_B":1623857014,"score_A":16,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Nope, hate it. Have always hated it. Grew up poor, wanted a job where I knew I'd make money.   I do enjoy some ASPECTS of engineering - I like solving problems, I like debugging the programs I write to do my analyses. I like when I'm so caught up in a problem that my day flies by... but I find that my ability to dig into those issues gets less and less over time - because I don't really look forward to it.","human_ref_B":"lucrative my ass","labels":1,"seconds_difference":709.0,"score_ratio":1.7777777778}
{"post_id":"o12iu6","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do you guys actually enjoy being an engineer or did you mostly become one because people\/society told you the positions are lucrative? I've worked other career fields and in my personal opinion,  engineering kind of sucks.  I enjoyed schooling. But I don't necessarily want to become a professor or go back.   I would wager most of us are somewhat overthinkers. And my brain just doesn't turn off. This was probably a good thing 500 years ago. If my problem was \"I don't know when my next meal is\" or \"I want to have easy access to water\" then it would be very reasonable for my brain brain to constantly think of solutions.   But now I can overthink EVERYTHING. When I'm showering, going to bed, random ideas and solutions for work problems just pop in my head.  This is just how my brain works, and if I was using these solution processes for personal matters or home projects I'd be ecstatic,  but I don't get to choose, well the ones that stress me out the most probably get priority.   I'm not sure I'm going anywhere with this.  Just kind of ranting I guess.","c_root_id_A":"h1yi7db","c_root_id_B":"h1z8rb6","created_at_utc_A":1623844385,"created_at_utc_B":1623857723,"score_A":12,"score_B":16,"human_ref_A":"Engineerng sucks because...you think about things a lot?  You got into it because someone told you it was lucrative?   I don't think anyone, or society, ever gave the impression that engineering pays anything more than \"comfortable\" or that it is anything more than a stable way to make a middle class living. I got into engineering because the stuff engineers do all day is what I wanted to do all day. Absolutely no regrets, and I wouldn't do anything else.","human_ref_B":"Nope, hate it. Have always hated it. Grew up poor, wanted a job where I knew I'd make money.   I do enjoy some ASPECTS of engineering - I like solving problems, I like debugging the programs I write to do my analyses. I like when I'm so caught up in a problem that my day flies by... but I find that my ability to dig into those issues gets less and less over time - because I don't really look forward to it.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":13338.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"o12iu6","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do you guys actually enjoy being an engineer or did you mostly become one because people\/society told you the positions are lucrative? I've worked other career fields and in my personal opinion,  engineering kind of sucks.  I enjoyed schooling. But I don't necessarily want to become a professor or go back.   I would wager most of us are somewhat overthinkers. And my brain just doesn't turn off. This was probably a good thing 500 years ago. If my problem was \"I don't know when my next meal is\" or \"I want to have easy access to water\" then it would be very reasonable for my brain brain to constantly think of solutions.   But now I can overthink EVERYTHING. When I'm showering, going to bed, random ideas and solutions for work problems just pop in my head.  This is just how my brain works, and if I was using these solution processes for personal matters or home projects I'd be ecstatic,  but I don't get to choose, well the ones that stress me out the most probably get priority.   I'm not sure I'm going anywhere with this.  Just kind of ranting I guess.","c_root_id_A":"h1z8rb6","c_root_id_B":"h1z3ewz","created_at_utc_A":1623857723,"created_at_utc_B":1623855444,"score_A":16,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"Nope, hate it. Have always hated it. Grew up poor, wanted a job where I knew I'd make money.   I do enjoy some ASPECTS of engineering - I like solving problems, I like debugging the programs I write to do my analyses. I like when I'm so caught up in a problem that my day flies by... but I find that my ability to dig into those issues gets less and less over time - because I don't really look forward to it.","human_ref_B":"I don\u2019t love it every day, but I do enjoy it over pretty much any other job I\u2019ve tried or considered. And some days it\u2019s just pure fun.   And the pay is good, which allows me to live the life I want with a good margin. It\u2019s nice to see my savings account grow while still having fun. Not having financial problems is awesome.   Regarding the overthinking thing, it\u2019s important to find ways to relax and charge your batteries, for me I\u2019ve found that jogging, mindfulness meditation and talking (even if it\u2019s just over the phone) with friend and family helps a ton.   You just have to find your outlets!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2279.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"o12iu6","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do you guys actually enjoy being an engineer or did you mostly become one because people\/society told you the positions are lucrative? I've worked other career fields and in my personal opinion,  engineering kind of sucks.  I enjoyed schooling. But I don't necessarily want to become a professor or go back.   I would wager most of us are somewhat overthinkers. And my brain just doesn't turn off. This was probably a good thing 500 years ago. If my problem was \"I don't know when my next meal is\" or \"I want to have easy access to water\" then it would be very reasonable for my brain brain to constantly think of solutions.   But now I can overthink EVERYTHING. When I'm showering, going to bed, random ideas and solutions for work problems just pop in my head.  This is just how my brain works, and if I was using these solution processes for personal matters or home projects I'd be ecstatic,  but I don't get to choose, well the ones that stress me out the most probably get priority.   I'm not sure I'm going anywhere with this.  Just kind of ranting I guess.","c_root_id_A":"h1z6pna","c_root_id_B":"h1z3ewz","created_at_utc_A":1623856835,"created_at_utc_B":1623855444,"score_A":10,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"I was definitely \"strongly encouraged\" to pursue engineering, as it was considered to be an easier lifestyle compared to screenwriting. Reason being, my parents looked to great pay to indicate a comfortable lifestyle for their kid. Not an inherently bad reason, which made it really hard for me to argue against, lol. The line I always heard was, \"You can be an engineer who writes but not a writer who engineers\".  It was sheer chance that I preferred a certain lifestyle, and that lifestyle was not one of the starving artist. It was also sheer chance that this year I discovered that I love coding! So, ya know, maybe industrial engineer was just a good stepping stone. The biggest thing that holds me back from loving my work, regardless of the job title, is that I can't \"drink the kool-aid\". I can't get myself to buy into the mindset of \"I love this company, I want to work here forever, I believe in this product\". I don't know if that mindset will come with time, or if I'm really a hobbiest at heart.  Biggest thing I can say is to find an industry you don't hate. Food processing (wine, cheese, tomato canning, etc) was right up my alley due to my love of cooking and baking. So when I got internships at those kinds of companies, I relied on the product to inspire learning in other areas of engineering. I also enjoyed my time more if I liked the people around me, for obvious reasons. Nothing made me want to quit more than a bad boss!!","human_ref_B":"I don\u2019t love it every day, but I do enjoy it over pretty much any other job I\u2019ve tried or considered. And some days it\u2019s just pure fun.   And the pay is good, which allows me to live the life I want with a good margin. It\u2019s nice to see my savings account grow while still having fun. Not having financial problems is awesome.   Regarding the overthinking thing, it\u2019s important to find ways to relax and charge your batteries, for me I\u2019ve found that jogging, mindfulness meditation and talking (even if it\u2019s just over the phone) with friend and family helps a ton.   You just have to find your outlets!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1391.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"o12iu6","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do you guys actually enjoy being an engineer or did you mostly become one because people\/society told you the positions are lucrative? I've worked other career fields and in my personal opinion,  engineering kind of sucks.  I enjoyed schooling. But I don't necessarily want to become a professor or go back.   I would wager most of us are somewhat overthinkers. And my brain just doesn't turn off. This was probably a good thing 500 years ago. If my problem was \"I don't know when my next meal is\" or \"I want to have easy access to water\" then it would be very reasonable for my brain brain to constantly think of solutions.   But now I can overthink EVERYTHING. When I'm showering, going to bed, random ideas and solutions for work problems just pop in my head.  This is just how my brain works, and if I was using these solution processes for personal matters or home projects I'd be ecstatic,  but I don't get to choose, well the ones that stress me out the most probably get priority.   I'm not sure I'm going anywhere with this.  Just kind of ranting I guess.","c_root_id_A":"h1z3ewz","c_root_id_B":"h1z74zo","created_at_utc_A":1623855444,"created_at_utc_B":1623857014,"score_A":8,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"I don\u2019t love it every day, but I do enjoy it over pretty much any other job I\u2019ve tried or considered. And some days it\u2019s just pure fun.   And the pay is good, which allows me to live the life I want with a good margin. It\u2019s nice to see my savings account grow while still having fun. Not having financial problems is awesome.   Regarding the overthinking thing, it\u2019s important to find ways to relax and charge your batteries, for me I\u2019ve found that jogging, mindfulness meditation and talking (even if it\u2019s just over the phone) with friend and family helps a ton.   You just have to find your outlets!","human_ref_B":"lucrative my ass","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1570.0,"score_ratio":1.125}
{"post_id":"fs31it","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"After hundreds of interviews I lost my only accepted offer for an internship Hundreds of applications, many rejections, and I finally got one. Then this virus turns everything to crap. sucks even more because I\u2019m a junior graduating next year. Engineers that\u2019ve gone through the recession you got any tips aside from the \u201ckeep your head up\u201d general ones?","c_root_id_A":"flzcuru","c_root_id_B":"flzaarr","created_at_utc_A":1585620691,"created_at_utc_B":1585619024,"score_A":216,"score_B":23,"human_ref_A":"My tip would be to at least work. See if you can find something tangentially related to engineering, like drafting, maintenance work, etc. Even working at Amazon looks better than nothing.","human_ref_B":"At least you're not dying of it.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1667.0,"score_ratio":9.3913043478}
{"post_id":"fs31it","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"After hundreds of interviews I lost my only accepted offer for an internship Hundreds of applications, many rejections, and I finally got one. Then this virus turns everything to crap. sucks even more because I\u2019m a junior graduating next year. Engineers that\u2019ve gone through the recession you got any tips aside from the \u201ckeep your head up\u201d general ones?","c_root_id_A":"flzo6vs","c_root_id_B":"flzaarr","created_at_utc_A":1585628657,"created_at_utc_B":1585619024,"score_A":26,"score_B":23,"human_ref_A":"Sorry to hear that. Have you looked for any internships that are offering remote work? I was scrolling through linkedin and came across this link:   https:\/\/covintern.com\/jobs\/  I know most of these arent traditional engineering but could be worth a shot. Good luck!","human_ref_B":"At least you're not dying of it.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9633.0,"score_ratio":1.1304347826}
{"post_id":"fs31it","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"After hundreds of interviews I lost my only accepted offer for an internship Hundreds of applications, many rejections, and I finally got one. Then this virus turns everything to crap. sucks even more because I\u2019m a junior graduating next year. Engineers that\u2019ve gone through the recession you got any tips aside from the \u201ckeep your head up\u201d general ones?","c_root_id_A":"flzlykv","c_root_id_B":"flzo6vs","created_at_utc_A":1585626961,"created_at_utc_B":1585628657,"score_A":11,"score_B":26,"human_ref_A":"Instead of working the internship this summer, you might spend some serious time working a college competition.  FSAE.  IREC.  AIAA.  Whatever.  There are a lot of them and they can look every bit as good on your resume as an internship if you do it right (better for some industries, actually).  And YOU control if get to do those, right?  Just show up and bust your ass.","human_ref_B":"Sorry to hear that. Have you looked for any internships that are offering remote work? I was scrolling through linkedin and came across this link:   https:\/\/covintern.com\/jobs\/  I know most of these arent traditional engineering but could be worth a shot. Good luck!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1696.0,"score_ratio":2.3636363636}
{"post_id":"fs31it","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"After hundreds of interviews I lost my only accepted offer for an internship Hundreds of applications, many rejections, and I finally got one. Then this virus turns everything to crap. sucks even more because I\u2019m a junior graduating next year. Engineers that\u2019ve gone through the recession you got any tips aside from the \u201ckeep your head up\u201d general ones?","c_root_id_A":"flzihmz","c_root_id_B":"flzo6vs","created_at_utc_A":1585624478,"created_at_utc_B":1585628657,"score_A":4,"score_B":26,"human_ref_A":"Just chill. I'm an engineer and I've been working from home for the last 2.5 weeks. Looks like it'll be another month at the very least. Not an environment to perform an internship in. How would you be mentored and what kind of work would you do from home? Relax. Study for your classes and prep for graduation next year.","human_ref_B":"Sorry to hear that. Have you looked for any internships that are offering remote work? I was scrolling through linkedin and came across this link:   https:\/\/covintern.com\/jobs\/  I know most of these arent traditional engineering but could be worth a shot. Good luck!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4179.0,"score_ratio":6.5}
{"post_id":"fs31it","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"After hundreds of interviews I lost my only accepted offer for an internship Hundreds of applications, many rejections, and I finally got one. Then this virus turns everything to crap. sucks even more because I\u2019m a junior graduating next year. Engineers that\u2019ve gone through the recession you got any tips aside from the \u201ckeep your head up\u201d general ones?","c_root_id_A":"flzhrz5","c_root_id_B":"flzo6vs","created_at_utc_A":1585623987,"created_at_utc_B":1585628657,"score_A":3,"score_B":26,"human_ref_A":"Thought about doing classes in the summer? It\u2019ll help you to do a semester of only Tuesday and thursdays for a co-op your senior year.","human_ref_B":"Sorry to hear that. Have you looked for any internships that are offering remote work? I was scrolling through linkedin and came across this link:   https:\/\/covintern.com\/jobs\/  I know most of these arent traditional engineering but could be worth a shot. Good luck!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4670.0,"score_ratio":8.6666666667}
{"post_id":"fs31it","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"After hundreds of interviews I lost my only accepted offer for an internship Hundreds of applications, many rejections, and I finally got one. Then this virus turns everything to crap. sucks even more because I\u2019m a junior graduating next year. Engineers that\u2019ve gone through the recession you got any tips aside from the \u201ckeep your head up\u201d general ones?","c_root_id_A":"flzx3c2","c_root_id_B":"flzlykv","created_at_utc_A":1585636424,"created_at_utc_B":1585626961,"score_A":16,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"It's ok, at least you're not senior graduating this year","human_ref_B":"Instead of working the internship this summer, you might spend some serious time working a college competition.  FSAE.  IREC.  AIAA.  Whatever.  There are a lot of them and they can look every bit as good on your resume as an internship if you do it right (better for some industries, actually).  And YOU control if get to do those, right?  Just show up and bust your ass.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9463.0,"score_ratio":1.4545454545}
{"post_id":"fs31it","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"After hundreds of interviews I lost my only accepted offer for an internship Hundreds of applications, many rejections, and I finally got one. Then this virus turns everything to crap. sucks even more because I\u2019m a junior graduating next year. Engineers that\u2019ve gone through the recession you got any tips aside from the \u201ckeep your head up\u201d general ones?","c_root_id_A":"flzx3c2","c_root_id_B":"flzihmz","created_at_utc_A":1585636424,"created_at_utc_B":1585624478,"score_A":16,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"It's ok, at least you're not senior graduating this year","human_ref_B":"Just chill. I'm an engineer and I've been working from home for the last 2.5 weeks. Looks like it'll be another month at the very least. Not an environment to perform an internship in. How would you be mentored and what kind of work would you do from home? Relax. Study for your classes and prep for graduation next year.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":11946.0,"score_ratio":4.0}
{"post_id":"fs31it","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"After hundreds of interviews I lost my only accepted offer for an internship Hundreds of applications, many rejections, and I finally got one. Then this virus turns everything to crap. sucks even more because I\u2019m a junior graduating next year. Engineers that\u2019ve gone through the recession you got any tips aside from the \u201ckeep your head up\u201d general ones?","c_root_id_A":"flzx3c2","c_root_id_B":"flzhrz5","created_at_utc_A":1585636424,"created_at_utc_B":1585623987,"score_A":16,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"It's ok, at least you're not senior graduating this year","human_ref_B":"Thought about doing classes in the summer? It\u2019ll help you to do a semester of only Tuesday and thursdays for a co-op your senior year.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":12437.0,"score_ratio":5.3333333333}
{"post_id":"fs31it","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"After hundreds of interviews I lost my only accepted offer for an internship Hundreds of applications, many rejections, and I finally got one. Then this virus turns everything to crap. sucks even more because I\u2019m a junior graduating next year. Engineers that\u2019ve gone through the recession you got any tips aside from the \u201ckeep your head up\u201d general ones?","c_root_id_A":"flzx3c2","c_root_id_B":"flzomck","created_at_utc_A":1585636424,"created_at_utc_B":1585628994,"score_A":16,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"It's ok, at least you're not senior graduating this year","human_ref_B":"Perfect opportunity to start your own project\/business\/ side gig. Do something to stand out","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7430.0,"score_ratio":5.3333333333}
{"post_id":"fs31it","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"After hundreds of interviews I lost my only accepted offer for an internship Hundreds of applications, many rejections, and I finally got one. Then this virus turns everything to crap. sucks even more because I\u2019m a junior graduating next year. Engineers that\u2019ve gone through the recession you got any tips aside from the \u201ckeep your head up\u201d general ones?","c_root_id_A":"flzx3c2","c_root_id_B":"flzuc0k","created_at_utc_A":1585636424,"created_at_utc_B":1585633822,"score_A":16,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"It's ok, at least you're not senior graduating this year","human_ref_B":"Have you do an internship previously? My only internship was between sophomore and junior year and I\u2019m about to graduate and have a job lined up so it worked out for me.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2602.0,"score_ratio":8.0}
{"post_id":"fs31it","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"After hundreds of interviews I lost my only accepted offer for an internship Hundreds of applications, many rejections, and I finally got one. Then this virus turns everything to crap. sucks even more because I\u2019m a junior graduating next year. Engineers that\u2019ve gone through the recession you got any tips aside from the \u201ckeep your head up\u201d general ones?","c_root_id_A":"flzihmz","c_root_id_B":"flzlykv","created_at_utc_A":1585624478,"created_at_utc_B":1585626961,"score_A":4,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"Just chill. I'm an engineer and I've been working from home for the last 2.5 weeks. Looks like it'll be another month at the very least. Not an environment to perform an internship in. How would you be mentored and what kind of work would you do from home? Relax. Study for your classes and prep for graduation next year.","human_ref_B":"Instead of working the internship this summer, you might spend some serious time working a college competition.  FSAE.  IREC.  AIAA.  Whatever.  There are a lot of them and they can look every bit as good on your resume as an internship if you do it right (better for some industries, actually).  And YOU control if get to do those, right?  Just show up and bust your ass.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2483.0,"score_ratio":2.75}
{"post_id":"fs31it","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"After hundreds of interviews I lost my only accepted offer for an internship Hundreds of applications, many rejections, and I finally got one. Then this virus turns everything to crap. sucks even more because I\u2019m a junior graduating next year. Engineers that\u2019ve gone through the recession you got any tips aside from the \u201ckeep your head up\u201d general ones?","c_root_id_A":"flzhrz5","c_root_id_B":"flzlykv","created_at_utc_A":1585623987,"created_at_utc_B":1585626961,"score_A":3,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"Thought about doing classes in the summer? It\u2019ll help you to do a semester of only Tuesday and thursdays for a co-op your senior year.","human_ref_B":"Instead of working the internship this summer, you might spend some serious time working a college competition.  FSAE.  IREC.  AIAA.  Whatever.  There are a lot of them and they can look every bit as good on your resume as an internship if you do it right (better for some industries, actually).  And YOU control if get to do those, right?  Just show up and bust your ass.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2974.0,"score_ratio":3.6666666667}
{"post_id":"fs31it","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"After hundreds of interviews I lost my only accepted offer for an internship Hundreds of applications, many rejections, and I finally got one. Then this virus turns everything to crap. sucks even more because I\u2019m a junior graduating next year. Engineers that\u2019ve gone through the recession you got any tips aside from the \u201ckeep your head up\u201d general ones?","c_root_id_A":"fm08kns","c_root_id_B":"flzihmz","created_at_utc_A":1585648960,"created_at_utc_B":1585624478,"score_A":5,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Do an independent project. Something that you can put together in a portfolio and show off during interviews.  Building an FPV drone from scratch, or a 3d printer from scratch, it something like that will help you stand out.  You could also connect with a makerspace and try to make ppe. I have a feeling that is going to be looked back on fondly.","human_ref_B":"Just chill. I'm an engineer and I've been working from home for the last 2.5 weeks. Looks like it'll be another month at the very least. Not an environment to perform an internship in. How would you be mentored and what kind of work would you do from home? Relax. Study for your classes and prep for graduation next year.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":24482.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"fs31it","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"After hundreds of interviews I lost my only accepted offer for an internship Hundreds of applications, many rejections, and I finally got one. Then this virus turns everything to crap. sucks even more because I\u2019m a junior graduating next year. Engineers that\u2019ve gone through the recession you got any tips aside from the \u201ckeep your head up\u201d general ones?","c_root_id_A":"flzihmz","c_root_id_B":"flzhrz5","created_at_utc_A":1585624478,"created_at_utc_B":1585623987,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Just chill. I'm an engineer and I've been working from home for the last 2.5 weeks. Looks like it'll be another month at the very least. Not an environment to perform an internship in. How would you be mentored and what kind of work would you do from home? Relax. Study for your classes and prep for graduation next year.","human_ref_B":"Thought about doing classes in the summer? It\u2019ll help you to do a semester of only Tuesday and thursdays for a co-op your senior year.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":491.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"fs31it","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"After hundreds of interviews I lost my only accepted offer for an internship Hundreds of applications, many rejections, and I finally got one. Then this virus turns everything to crap. sucks even more because I\u2019m a junior graduating next year. Engineers that\u2019ve gone through the recession you got any tips aside from the \u201ckeep your head up\u201d general ones?","c_root_id_A":"flzhrz5","c_root_id_B":"fm08kns","created_at_utc_A":1585623987,"created_at_utc_B":1585648960,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Thought about doing classes in the summer? It\u2019ll help you to do a semester of only Tuesday and thursdays for a co-op your senior year.","human_ref_B":"Do an independent project. Something that you can put together in a portfolio and show off during interviews.  Building an FPV drone from scratch, or a 3d printer from scratch, it something like that will help you stand out.  You could also connect with a makerspace and try to make ppe. I have a feeling that is going to be looked back on fondly.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":24973.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"fs31it","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"After hundreds of interviews I lost my only accepted offer for an internship Hundreds of applications, many rejections, and I finally got one. Then this virus turns everything to crap. sucks even more because I\u2019m a junior graduating next year. Engineers that\u2019ve gone through the recession you got any tips aside from the \u201ckeep your head up\u201d general ones?","c_root_id_A":"flzomck","c_root_id_B":"fm08kns","created_at_utc_A":1585628994,"created_at_utc_B":1585648960,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Perfect opportunity to start your own project\/business\/ side gig. Do something to stand out","human_ref_B":"Do an independent project. Something that you can put together in a portfolio and show off during interviews.  Building an FPV drone from scratch, or a 3d printer from scratch, it something like that will help you stand out.  You could also connect with a makerspace and try to make ppe. I have a feeling that is going to be looked back on fondly.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":19966.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"fs31it","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"After hundreds of interviews I lost my only accepted offer for an internship Hundreds of applications, many rejections, and I finally got one. Then this virus turns everything to crap. sucks even more because I\u2019m a junior graduating next year. Engineers that\u2019ve gone through the recession you got any tips aside from the \u201ckeep your head up\u201d general ones?","c_root_id_A":"fm08kns","c_root_id_B":"flzuc0k","created_at_utc_A":1585648960,"created_at_utc_B":1585633822,"score_A":5,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Do an independent project. Something that you can put together in a portfolio and show off during interviews.  Building an FPV drone from scratch, or a 3d printer from scratch, it something like that will help you stand out.  You could also connect with a makerspace and try to make ppe. I have a feeling that is going to be looked back on fondly.","human_ref_B":"Have you do an internship previously? My only internship was between sophomore and junior year and I\u2019m about to graduate and have a job lined up so it worked out for me.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":15138.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"fs31it","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"After hundreds of interviews I lost my only accepted offer for an internship Hundreds of applications, many rejections, and I finally got one. Then this virus turns everything to crap. sucks even more because I\u2019m a junior graduating next year. Engineers that\u2019ve gone through the recession you got any tips aside from the \u201ckeep your head up\u201d general ones?","c_root_id_A":"fm08kns","c_root_id_B":"flzzz7m","created_at_utc_A":1585648960,"created_at_utc_B":1585639404,"score_A":5,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Do an independent project. Something that you can put together in a portfolio and show off during interviews.  Building an FPV drone from scratch, or a 3d printer from scratch, it something like that will help you stand out.  You could also connect with a makerspace and try to make ppe. I have a feeling that is going to be looked back on fondly.","human_ref_B":"Find something man, if it's general labor where you're working long hours for low pay. It's better than nothing and it looks a hell of a lot better than doing nothing for a summer","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9556.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"fs31it","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"After hundreds of interviews I lost my only accepted offer for an internship Hundreds of applications, many rejections, and I finally got one. Then this virus turns everything to crap. sucks even more because I\u2019m a junior graduating next year. Engineers that\u2019ve gone through the recession you got any tips aside from the \u201ckeep your head up\u201d general ones?","c_root_id_A":"fm00t1z","c_root_id_B":"fm08kns","created_at_utc_A":1585640294,"created_at_utc_B":1585648960,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"At least you aren't graduating into this.","human_ref_B":"Do an independent project. Something that you can put together in a portfolio and show off during interviews.  Building an FPV drone from scratch, or a 3d printer from scratch, it something like that will help you stand out.  You could also connect with a makerspace and try to make ppe. I have a feeling that is going to be looked back on fondly.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8666.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"fs31it","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"After hundreds of interviews I lost my only accepted offer for an internship Hundreds of applications, many rejections, and I finally got one. Then this virus turns everything to crap. sucks even more because I\u2019m a junior graduating next year. Engineers that\u2019ve gone through the recession you got any tips aside from the \u201ckeep your head up\u201d general ones?","c_root_id_A":"fm04ih4","c_root_id_B":"fm08kns","created_at_utc_A":1585644382,"created_at_utc_B":1585648960,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Don\u2019t stress about it. I didn\u2019t start looking for a job until 9 months after I graduated. You still have a year left until you graduate.","human_ref_B":"Do an independent project. Something that you can put together in a portfolio and show off during interviews.  Building an FPV drone from scratch, or a 3d printer from scratch, it something like that will help you stand out.  You could also connect with a makerspace and try to make ppe. I have a feeling that is going to be looked back on fondly.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4578.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"fs31it","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"After hundreds of interviews I lost my only accepted offer for an internship Hundreds of applications, many rejections, and I finally got one. Then this virus turns everything to crap. sucks even more because I\u2019m a junior graduating next year. Engineers that\u2019ve gone through the recession you got any tips aside from the \u201ckeep your head up\u201d general ones?","c_root_id_A":"fm10ok0","c_root_id_B":"flzhrz5","created_at_utc_A":1585669823,"created_at_utc_B":1585623987,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"While job searching, study to take the EIT exam. You might never need your PE license for your career (only Civil \/ Structural Engs require it), but it's a nice to have in case you start consulting later on.","human_ref_B":"Thought about doing classes in the summer? It\u2019ll help you to do a semester of only Tuesday and thursdays for a co-op your senior year.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":45836.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"fs31it","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"After hundreds of interviews I lost my only accepted offer for an internship Hundreds of applications, many rejections, and I finally got one. Then this virus turns everything to crap. sucks even more because I\u2019m a junior graduating next year. Engineers that\u2019ve gone through the recession you got any tips aside from the \u201ckeep your head up\u201d general ones?","c_root_id_A":"flzomck","c_root_id_B":"fm10ok0","created_at_utc_A":1585628994,"created_at_utc_B":1585669823,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Perfect opportunity to start your own project\/business\/ side gig. Do something to stand out","human_ref_B":"While job searching, study to take the EIT exam. You might never need your PE license for your career (only Civil \/ Structural Engs require it), but it's a nice to have in case you start consulting later on.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":40829.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"fs31it","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"After hundreds of interviews I lost my only accepted offer for an internship Hundreds of applications, many rejections, and I finally got one. Then this virus turns everything to crap. sucks even more because I\u2019m a junior graduating next year. Engineers that\u2019ve gone through the recession you got any tips aside from the \u201ckeep your head up\u201d general ones?","c_root_id_A":"fm0f3ik","c_root_id_B":"fm10ok0","created_at_utc_A":1585655799,"created_at_utc_B":1585669823,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"You need something to help you stand out on your resume. Obviously internships would be the best but if you did an independent project, like a raspberry pi project, it would separate you from your peers in a positive way.","human_ref_B":"While job searching, study to take the EIT exam. You might never need your PE license for your career (only Civil \/ Structural Engs require it), but it's a nice to have in case you start consulting later on.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":14024.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"fs31it","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"After hundreds of interviews I lost my only accepted offer for an internship Hundreds of applications, many rejections, and I finally got one. Then this virus turns everything to crap. sucks even more because I\u2019m a junior graduating next year. Engineers that\u2019ve gone through the recession you got any tips aside from the \u201ckeep your head up\u201d general ones?","c_root_id_A":"flzuc0k","c_root_id_B":"fm10ok0","created_at_utc_A":1585633822,"created_at_utc_B":1585669823,"score_A":2,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Have you do an internship previously? My only internship was between sophomore and junior year and I\u2019m about to graduate and have a job lined up so it worked out for me.","human_ref_B":"While job searching, study to take the EIT exam. You might never need your PE license for your career (only Civil \/ Structural Engs require it), but it's a nice to have in case you start consulting later on.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":36001.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"fs31it","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"After hundreds of interviews I lost my only accepted offer for an internship Hundreds of applications, many rejections, and I finally got one. Then this virus turns everything to crap. sucks even more because I\u2019m a junior graduating next year. Engineers that\u2019ve gone through the recession you got any tips aside from the \u201ckeep your head up\u201d general ones?","c_root_id_A":"fm10ok0","c_root_id_B":"flzzz7m","created_at_utc_A":1585669823,"created_at_utc_B":1585639404,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"While job searching, study to take the EIT exam. You might never need your PE license for your career (only Civil \/ Structural Engs require it), but it's a nice to have in case you start consulting later on.","human_ref_B":"Find something man, if it's general labor where you're working long hours for low pay. It's better than nothing and it looks a hell of a lot better than doing nothing for a summer","labels":1,"seconds_difference":30419.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"fs31it","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"After hundreds of interviews I lost my only accepted offer for an internship Hundreds of applications, many rejections, and I finally got one. Then this virus turns everything to crap. sucks even more because I\u2019m a junior graduating next year. Engineers that\u2019ve gone through the recession you got any tips aside from the \u201ckeep your head up\u201d general ones?","c_root_id_A":"fm00t1z","c_root_id_B":"fm10ok0","created_at_utc_A":1585640294,"created_at_utc_B":1585669823,"score_A":2,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"At least you aren't graduating into this.","human_ref_B":"While job searching, study to take the EIT exam. You might never need your PE license for your career (only Civil \/ Structural Engs require it), but it's a nice to have in case you start consulting later on.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":29529.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"fs31it","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"After hundreds of interviews I lost my only accepted offer for an internship Hundreds of applications, many rejections, and I finally got one. Then this virus turns everything to crap. sucks even more because I\u2019m a junior graduating next year. Engineers that\u2019ve gone through the recession you got any tips aside from the \u201ckeep your head up\u201d general ones?","c_root_id_A":"fm10ok0","c_root_id_B":"fm04ih4","created_at_utc_A":1585669823,"created_at_utc_B":1585644382,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"While job searching, study to take the EIT exam. You might never need your PE license for your career (only Civil \/ Structural Engs require it), but it's a nice to have in case you start consulting later on.","human_ref_B":"Don\u2019t stress about it. I didn\u2019t start looking for a job until 9 months after I graduated. You still have a year left until you graduate.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":25441.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"fs31it","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"After hundreds of interviews I lost my only accepted offer for an internship Hundreds of applications, many rejections, and I finally got one. Then this virus turns everything to crap. sucks even more because I\u2019m a junior graduating next year. Engineers that\u2019ve gone through the recession you got any tips aside from the \u201ckeep your head up\u201d general ones?","c_root_id_A":"fm10ok0","c_root_id_B":"fm0enn1","created_at_utc_A":1585669823,"created_at_utc_B":1585655392,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"While job searching, study to take the EIT exam. You might never need your PE license for your career (only Civil \/ Structural Engs require it), but it's a nice to have in case you start consulting later on.","human_ref_B":"Welcome to real life. You\u2019re going to have to slug it out any way your can. I hustled odd jobs on craigslist between jobs during the last recession. Time to get resourceful, do whatever work you can find.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":14431.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"fs31it","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"After hundreds of interviews I lost my only accepted offer for an internship Hundreds of applications, many rejections, and I finally got one. Then this virus turns everything to crap. sucks even more because I\u2019m a junior graduating next year. Engineers that\u2019ve gone through the recession you got any tips aside from the \u201ckeep your head up\u201d general ones?","c_root_id_A":"fm10ok0","c_root_id_B":"fm0va19","created_at_utc_A":1585669823,"created_at_utc_B":1585666859,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"While job searching, study to take the EIT exam. You might never need your PE license for your career (only Civil \/ Structural Engs require it), but it's a nice to have in case you start consulting later on.","human_ref_B":"The reason internships are valuable is because you learn the practical skills of work.  For developers, that's managing PRs, entering tasks in JIRA, etc.  For other engineering types, there's AutoCad, Autodesk, etc.  Learn the tools through tutorials even if you have to use an open source version.     Learning Python, Excel, and Microsoft Project along with practicing your written communication (a lot of engineering work is email) will help you out no matter what field you're in.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2964.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"fs31it","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"After hundreds of interviews I lost my only accepted offer for an internship Hundreds of applications, many rejections, and I finally got one. Then this virus turns everything to crap. sucks even more because I\u2019m a junior graduating next year. Engineers that\u2019ve gone through the recession you got any tips aside from the \u201ckeep your head up\u201d general ones?","c_root_id_A":"fm0f3ik","c_root_id_B":"flzuc0k","created_at_utc_A":1585655799,"created_at_utc_B":1585633822,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"You need something to help you stand out on your resume. Obviously internships would be the best but if you did an independent project, like a raspberry pi project, it would separate you from your peers in a positive way.","human_ref_B":"Have you do an internship previously? My only internship was between sophomore and junior year and I\u2019m about to graduate and have a job lined up so it worked out for me.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":21977.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"fs31it","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"After hundreds of interviews I lost my only accepted offer for an internship Hundreds of applications, many rejections, and I finally got one. Then this virus turns everything to crap. sucks even more because I\u2019m a junior graduating next year. Engineers that\u2019ve gone through the recession you got any tips aside from the \u201ckeep your head up\u201d general ones?","c_root_id_A":"flzzz7m","c_root_id_B":"fm0f3ik","created_at_utc_A":1585639404,"created_at_utc_B":1585655799,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Find something man, if it's general labor where you're working long hours for low pay. It's better than nothing and it looks a hell of a lot better than doing nothing for a summer","human_ref_B":"You need something to help you stand out on your resume. Obviously internships would be the best but if you did an independent project, like a raspberry pi project, it would separate you from your peers in a positive way.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":16395.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"fs31it","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"After hundreds of interviews I lost my only accepted offer for an internship Hundreds of applications, many rejections, and I finally got one. Then this virus turns everything to crap. sucks even more because I\u2019m a junior graduating next year. Engineers that\u2019ve gone through the recession you got any tips aside from the \u201ckeep your head up\u201d general ones?","c_root_id_A":"fm0f3ik","c_root_id_B":"fm00t1z","created_at_utc_A":1585655799,"created_at_utc_B":1585640294,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"You need something to help you stand out on your resume. Obviously internships would be the best but if you did an independent project, like a raspberry pi project, it would separate you from your peers in a positive way.","human_ref_B":"At least you aren't graduating into this.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":15505.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
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{"post_id":"rtuaze","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Whats one disadvantage of being an engineer? What do you not like about engineering?","c_root_id_A":"hqvbdh3","c_root_id_B":"hqvckzm","created_at_utc_A":1641081818,"created_at_utc_B":1641082350,"score_A":64,"score_B":73,"human_ref_A":"I didn\u2019t realize my life creating things would require me to sit behind a computer anywhere from 40-60 hours a week. The ability to work remote has its advantages like no traffic, but all meetings and work on a computer all day, I felt like I was going mad. Also the sitting all day caught up to me. Sitting is the new smoking.","human_ref_B":"Most of the people you work with are male nerds, most likely including yourself  Also, the more lucrative career path seems to progress towards management or at least team lead, so you can't just put your head down and make stuff all day even if you want to  (please feel free to prove me wrong on these)","labels":0,"seconds_difference":532.0,"score_ratio":1.140625}
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{"post_id":"rtuaze","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Whats one disadvantage of being an engineer? What do you not like about engineering?","c_root_id_A":"hqv8343","c_root_id_B":"hqvbdh3","created_at_utc_A":1641080393,"created_at_utc_B":1641081818,"score_A":61,"score_B":64,"human_ref_A":"I hate how rich I am","human_ref_B":"I didn\u2019t realize my life creating things would require me to sit behind a computer anywhere from 40-60 hours a week. The ability to work remote has its advantages like no traffic, but all meetings and work on a computer all day, I felt like I was going mad. Also the sitting all day caught up to me. Sitting is the new smoking.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1425.0,"score_ratio":1.0491803279}
{"post_id":"rtuaze","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Whats one disadvantage of being an engineer? What do you not like about engineering?","c_root_id_A":"hqvbdh3","c_root_id_B":"hqv9wis","created_at_utc_A":1641081818,"created_at_utc_B":1641081173,"score_A":64,"score_B":36,"human_ref_A":"I didn\u2019t realize my life creating things would require me to sit behind a computer anywhere from 40-60 hours a week. The ability to work remote has its advantages like no traffic, but all meetings and work on a computer all day, I felt like I was going mad. Also the sitting all day caught up to me. Sitting is the new smoking.","human_ref_B":"People expect you to repair and fix their stuff","labels":1,"seconds_difference":645.0,"score_ratio":1.7777777778}
{"post_id":"rtuaze","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Whats one disadvantage of being an engineer? What do you not like about engineering?","c_root_id_A":"hqvjk3o","c_root_id_B":"hqv9wis","created_at_utc_A":1641085458,"created_at_utc_B":1641081173,"score_A":51,"score_B":36,"human_ref_A":"I've learned to tolerate the annoying aspects of the job but being a woman that is an engineer will never get old.   People in the field are usually great, it's the non engineers that tend to be sexist and obnoxious.  And when dating, you're basically limited to other engineers, people who are overly confident or the rare mature person that isn't insecure about his own intelligence.  Dating was a minefield of great dates, only for them to lose interest the more they asked about what i do for a living. I don't think doctors and lawyers run into the same kind of shit because even non technical men assume they're better than you at technical things and it hurts their ego when they're not or when you correct something.  Of course, there are mature people out there who aren't like that but a LOT of men in their early 20s are.  Otherwise i love being an engineer, it's fun haha","human_ref_B":"People expect you to repair and fix their stuff","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4285.0,"score_ratio":1.4166666667}
{"post_id":"gh20x5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Help. I just completed my degree in aerospace engineering with a 2.68\/4.0 gpa am I doomed as an engineer. I had 3 D\u2019s some B\u2019s and some C\u2019s and I had trouble of panicking and not remembering staff during exams and I don\u2019t think anyone could ever hire me. Any advice","c_root_id_A":"fq5ykyu","c_root_id_B":"fq5zj6p","created_at_utc_A":1589120680,"created_at_utc_B":1589121289,"score_A":23,"score_B":502,"human_ref_A":"You'll be able to get a job eventually, but you honestly need to learn that material. \"Panicking\" during a test is an excuse. Do you currently understand all that information? Could you teach it to someone else? If not, then you need to brush up before you start interviewing.","human_ref_B":"Your first job will likely be the only job that cares about your GPA. Experience trumps grades very quickly. Make sure you know the material you are saying you do when you apply for a job or at the very least be honest during the interview if you don't know something. Prepare to discuss your GPA during the interview. The excuse you gave in your headline will probably cause some concern for the interviewer as it would be an indicator for how you react in stressful situations. I would suggest coming up with a different way to explain that.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":609.0,"score_ratio":21.8260869565}
{"post_id":"gh20x5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Help. I just completed my degree in aerospace engineering with a 2.68\/4.0 gpa am I doomed as an engineer. I had 3 D\u2019s some B\u2019s and some C\u2019s and I had trouble of panicking and not remembering staff during exams and I don\u2019t think anyone could ever hire me. Any advice","c_root_id_A":"fq62atn","c_root_id_B":"fq5ykyu","created_at_utc_A":1589123009,"created_at_utc_B":1589120680,"score_A":163,"score_B":23,"human_ref_A":"It only matters for your first job. Unfortunately you're graduating into a market that is extremely challenging for getting your first job. My advice is to get good at selling yourself and make applying to jobs more than fulltime work because it's probably going to be a tough go.","human_ref_B":"You'll be able to get a job eventually, but you honestly need to learn that material. \"Panicking\" during a test is an excuse. Do you currently understand all that information? Could you teach it to someone else? If not, then you need to brush up before you start interviewing.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2329.0,"score_ratio":7.0869565217}
{"post_id":"gh20x5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Help. I just completed my degree in aerospace engineering with a 2.68\/4.0 gpa am I doomed as an engineer. I had 3 D\u2019s some B\u2019s and some C\u2019s and I had trouble of panicking and not remembering staff during exams and I don\u2019t think anyone could ever hire me. Any advice","c_root_id_A":"fq63wxr","c_root_id_B":"fq5ykyu","created_at_utc_A":1589123976,"created_at_utc_B":1589120680,"score_A":84,"score_B":23,"human_ref_A":"As robotics engineering manager, I\u2019m always impressed by enthusiasm for the subject matter. One way candidates demonstrate this is by working on interesting personal projects. In my experience, these practical sorts of thinkers who are self-motivated make great engineers.","human_ref_B":"You'll be able to get a job eventually, but you honestly need to learn that material. \"Panicking\" during a test is an excuse. Do you currently understand all that information? Could you teach it to someone else? If not, then you need to brush up before you start interviewing.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3296.0,"score_ratio":3.652173913}
{"post_id":"gh20x5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Help. I just completed my degree in aerospace engineering with a 2.68\/4.0 gpa am I doomed as an engineer. I had 3 D\u2019s some B\u2019s and some C\u2019s and I had trouble of panicking and not remembering staff during exams and I don\u2019t think anyone could ever hire me. Any advice","c_root_id_A":"fq5ykyu","c_root_id_B":"fq67pnx","created_at_utc_A":1589120680,"created_at_utc_B":1589126176,"score_A":23,"score_B":44,"human_ref_A":"You'll be able to get a job eventually, but you honestly need to learn that material. \"Panicking\" during a test is an excuse. Do you currently understand all that information? Could you teach it to someone else? If not, then you need to brush up before you start interviewing.","human_ref_B":"You graduated and have the degree. That\u2019s all that really matters. Don\u2019t voluntarily give out your GPA during the interview process. I\u2019ve only been asked my GPA once. If they ask you about it just be honest. Your GPA is behind you now. You should be working on your understanding more than anything. Continual improvement. You\u2019ll be fine. Don\u2019t sweat it so much.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5496.0,"score_ratio":1.9130434783}
{"post_id":"gh20x5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Help. I just completed my degree in aerospace engineering with a 2.68\/4.0 gpa am I doomed as an engineer. I had 3 D\u2019s some B\u2019s and some C\u2019s and I had trouble of panicking and not remembering staff during exams and I don\u2019t think anyone could ever hire me. Any advice","c_root_id_A":"fq5ykyu","c_root_id_B":"fq6nthe","created_at_utc_A":1589120680,"created_at_utc_B":1589135109,"score_A":23,"score_B":27,"human_ref_A":"You'll be able to get a job eventually, but you honestly need to learn that material. \"Panicking\" during a test is an excuse. Do you currently understand all that information? Could you teach it to someone else? If not, then you need to brush up before you start interviewing.","human_ref_B":"I wish i would have had that high of a gpa lol. Am a PE now.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":14429.0,"score_ratio":1.1739130435}
{"post_id":"gh20x5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Help. I just completed my degree in aerospace engineering with a 2.68\/4.0 gpa am I doomed as an engineer. I had 3 D\u2019s some B\u2019s and some C\u2019s and I had trouble of panicking and not remembering staff during exams and I don\u2019t think anyone could ever hire me. Any advice","c_root_id_A":"fq6hmuj","c_root_id_B":"fq6nthe","created_at_utc_A":1589131698,"created_at_utc_B":1589135109,"score_A":9,"score_B":27,"human_ref_A":"Man I got my first job as a staff engineer a year before I even graduated. (6 years of technical experience before my BS). If you can demonstrate performance, there is not one company that cares about your GPA. Its the guys who are so hung up on their GPA being their identity who perform the worst. If you're on my team, your 4.0 isn't going to get you ahead on a project when my buddy who had a 2.0 actually knows how to use his hands.  That said, I did graduate with a 3.26, but no one knows and no one cares.","human_ref_B":"I wish i would have had that high of a gpa lol. Am a PE now.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3411.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"gh20x5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Help. I just completed my degree in aerospace engineering with a 2.68\/4.0 gpa am I doomed as an engineer. I had 3 D\u2019s some B\u2019s and some C\u2019s and I had trouble of panicking and not remembering staff during exams and I don\u2019t think anyone could ever hire me. Any advice","c_root_id_A":"fq6nthe","c_root_id_B":"fq6lpbf","created_at_utc_A":1589135109,"created_at_utc_B":1589133938,"score_A":27,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"I wish i would have had that high of a gpa lol. Am a PE now.","human_ref_B":"For the most part it really only matters for your first job.  My advice is get a job, be really good at it, and build relationships with people who can testify to your competence in a reference.  That's it.  You'll be fine.  Now, I have also worked with people who had a terrible GPA and it turned out there was a good reason for that.  They weren't \"good at taking tests\" because they weren't good at math, couldn't apply the equations unless a professor told them which to use, and were just generally bad at problem-solving.  So from experience I don't dismiss grades as meaningless either.  Grades are an indicator of a person's knowledge of engineering, *and* it's an indicator of someone's ability to perform under pressure.  If someone crumbles during an exam, who's to say they won't do the same when faced with a deadline for an important project?    If your grades come up in the interview, I would suggest two things.  First, don't make excuses about panicking and not remembering stuff.  I wouldn't want to hire someone who panics and is useless under pressure.  Second, focus on the positive.  Just own it, admit you didn't perform too well on the final exams, but point out your good grades up until the end, and highlight any projects, papers, or classes in which you really excelled.  Your goal is to attempt to demonstrate competence independent of your grades.  Recommendations may really help here as well.  You definitely aren't hopeless.  Just get that first job and everything will turn around for you if you're good at your job.  Good luck!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1171.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"gh20x5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Help. I just completed my degree in aerospace engineering with a 2.68\/4.0 gpa am I doomed as an engineer. I had 3 D\u2019s some B\u2019s and some C\u2019s and I had trouble of panicking and not remembering staff during exams and I don\u2019t think anyone could ever hire me. Any advice","c_root_id_A":"fq6mxup","c_root_id_B":"fq6nthe","created_at_utc_A":1589134629,"created_at_utc_B":1589135109,"score_A":7,"score_B":27,"human_ref_A":"I had 4 F\u2019s 5 D\u2019s and 12 C\u2019s and I graduated in 4 years while taking a few summer classes. I\u2019m also starting a job at a big aerospace company in June. Don\u2019t be discouraged about your grades. Set yourself apart by being personable and asking a TON of questions","human_ref_B":"I wish i would have had that high of a gpa lol. Am a PE now.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":480.0,"score_ratio":3.8571428571}
{"post_id":"gh20x5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Help. I just completed my degree in aerospace engineering with a 2.68\/4.0 gpa am I doomed as an engineer. I had 3 D\u2019s some B\u2019s and some C\u2019s and I had trouble of panicking and not remembering staff during exams and I don\u2019t think anyone could ever hire me. Any advice","c_root_id_A":"fq6pyxw","c_root_id_B":"fq6hmuj","created_at_utc_A":1589136208,"created_at_utc_B":1589131698,"score_A":15,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Not sure where in the world you are or what kind of work you are looking for but I know Honeywell Aerospace is hiring entry level in a few locations around the US even with Covid. I'd leave your GPA off your resume but be prepared to discuss it in an interview.   You aren't doomed, but getting your first job may take extra time, just be patient and know you'll be ok","human_ref_B":"Man I got my first job as a staff engineer a year before I even graduated. (6 years of technical experience before my BS). If you can demonstrate performance, there is not one company that cares about your GPA. Its the guys who are so hung up on their GPA being their identity who perform the worst. If you're on my team, your 4.0 isn't going to get you ahead on a project when my buddy who had a 2.0 actually knows how to use his hands.  That said, I did graduate with a 3.26, but no one knows and no one cares.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4510.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"gh20x5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Help. I just completed my degree in aerospace engineering with a 2.68\/4.0 gpa am I doomed as an engineer. I had 3 D\u2019s some B\u2019s and some C\u2019s and I had trouble of panicking and not remembering staff during exams and I don\u2019t think anyone could ever hire me. Any advice","c_root_id_A":"fq6pyxw","c_root_id_B":"fq6lpbf","created_at_utc_A":1589136208,"created_at_utc_B":1589133938,"score_A":15,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Not sure where in the world you are or what kind of work you are looking for but I know Honeywell Aerospace is hiring entry level in a few locations around the US even with Covid. I'd leave your GPA off your resume but be prepared to discuss it in an interview.   You aren't doomed, but getting your first job may take extra time, just be patient and know you'll be ok","human_ref_B":"For the most part it really only matters for your first job.  My advice is get a job, be really good at it, and build relationships with people who can testify to your competence in a reference.  That's it.  You'll be fine.  Now, I have also worked with people who had a terrible GPA and it turned out there was a good reason for that.  They weren't \"good at taking tests\" because they weren't good at math, couldn't apply the equations unless a professor told them which to use, and were just generally bad at problem-solving.  So from experience I don't dismiss grades as meaningless either.  Grades are an indicator of a person's knowledge of engineering, *and* it's an indicator of someone's ability to perform under pressure.  If someone crumbles during an exam, who's to say they won't do the same when faced with a deadline for an important project?    If your grades come up in the interview, I would suggest two things.  First, don't make excuses about panicking and not remembering stuff.  I wouldn't want to hire someone who panics and is useless under pressure.  Second, focus on the positive.  Just own it, admit you didn't perform too well on the final exams, but point out your good grades up until the end, and highlight any projects, papers, or classes in which you really excelled.  Your goal is to attempt to demonstrate competence independent of your grades.  Recommendations may really help here as well.  You definitely aren't hopeless.  Just get that first job and everything will turn around for you if you're good at your job.  Good luck!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2270.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"gh20x5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Help. I just completed my degree in aerospace engineering with a 2.68\/4.0 gpa am I doomed as an engineer. I had 3 D\u2019s some B\u2019s and some C\u2019s and I had trouble of panicking and not remembering staff during exams and I don\u2019t think anyone could ever hire me. Any advice","c_root_id_A":"fq6pyxw","c_root_id_B":"fq6mxup","created_at_utc_A":1589136208,"created_at_utc_B":1589134629,"score_A":15,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Not sure where in the world you are or what kind of work you are looking for but I know Honeywell Aerospace is hiring entry level in a few locations around the US even with Covid. I'd leave your GPA off your resume but be prepared to discuss it in an interview.   You aren't doomed, but getting your first job may take extra time, just be patient and know you'll be ok","human_ref_B":"I had 4 F\u2019s 5 D\u2019s and 12 C\u2019s and I graduated in 4 years while taking a few summer classes. I\u2019m also starting a job at a big aerospace company in June. Don\u2019t be discouraged about your grades. Set yourself apart by being personable and asking a TON of questions","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1579.0,"score_ratio":2.1428571429}
{"post_id":"gh20x5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Help. I just completed my degree in aerospace engineering with a 2.68\/4.0 gpa am I doomed as an engineer. I had 3 D\u2019s some B\u2019s and some C\u2019s and I had trouble of panicking and not remembering staff during exams and I don\u2019t think anyone could ever hire me. Any advice","c_root_id_A":"fq72kbh","c_root_id_B":"fq6xghq","created_at_utc_A":1589140963,"created_at_utc_B":1589139092,"score_A":7,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Hiring manager in big aero: I would never see your resume because the system will ask for your gpa and you\u2019ll be screened for it on entry-level jobs.  This is going to be true at most major companies right now.  Your best bet for a job is a small (<100 people) company like a machine shop or other parts supplier.  Things would be different in an industry upswing but right now the market is VERY competitive and half of the industry is laying off.  During an upswing, the big companies will have mass hiring binges and you can get your foot in the door despite a bad gpa, but right now everyone\u2019s getting to be\/having to be extra picky because there are so many people looking for work.  Do you have ANY work experience?  Not just internships, I mean anything.","human_ref_B":"The majority of other people's comments here are spot on.  Don't panic and wind up drawing attention to the negatives.  You have strengths to focus on and should do so.  I worked my way thru school and struggled, but graduated with a BSME and a GPA that was *almost* as high as yours and now - after over 30 years work, multiple patents and such - no one would ever guess my school record today.  If you follow good advice, you can most certainly get hired, and after a few months on the job, that GPA won't mean a thing anymore.  My engineering training started on the job and continues to this day.  I've said this in response to similar postings:  Most employers are looking for good engineers, not good students.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1871.0,"score_ratio":1.1666666667}
{"post_id":"gh20x5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Help. I just completed my degree in aerospace engineering with a 2.68\/4.0 gpa am I doomed as an engineer. I had 3 D\u2019s some B\u2019s and some C\u2019s and I had trouble of panicking and not remembering staff during exams and I don\u2019t think anyone could ever hire me. Any advice","c_root_id_A":"fq72kbh","c_root_id_B":"fq6vtxs","created_at_utc_A":1589140963,"created_at_utc_B":1589138495,"score_A":7,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Hiring manager in big aero: I would never see your resume because the system will ask for your gpa and you\u2019ll be screened for it on entry-level jobs.  This is going to be true at most major companies right now.  Your best bet for a job is a small (<100 people) company like a machine shop or other parts supplier.  Things would be different in an industry upswing but right now the market is VERY competitive and half of the industry is laying off.  During an upswing, the big companies will have mass hiring binges and you can get your foot in the door despite a bad gpa, but right now everyone\u2019s getting to be\/having to be extra picky because there are so many people looking for work.  Do you have ANY work experience?  Not just internships, I mean anything.","human_ref_B":"Eh, my GPA was bad, maybe worse- I got my start in startups and now nobody asks my GPA. Made it to Senior engineer, got patents, am often considered for more senior roles. You just need to keep working hard and accept that maybe at first you come in a slightly different door than the valedictorian.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2468.0,"score_ratio":1.75}
{"post_id":"gh20x5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Help. I just completed my degree in aerospace engineering with a 2.68\/4.0 gpa am I doomed as an engineer. I had 3 D\u2019s some B\u2019s and some C\u2019s and I had trouble of panicking and not remembering staff during exams and I don\u2019t think anyone could ever hire me. Any advice","c_root_id_A":"fq72kbh","c_root_id_B":"fq6zmy8","created_at_utc_A":1589140963,"created_at_utc_B":1589139885,"score_A":7,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Hiring manager in big aero: I would never see your resume because the system will ask for your gpa and you\u2019ll be screened for it on entry-level jobs.  This is going to be true at most major companies right now.  Your best bet for a job is a small (<100 people) company like a machine shop or other parts supplier.  Things would be different in an industry upswing but right now the market is VERY competitive and half of the industry is laying off.  During an upswing, the big companies will have mass hiring binges and you can get your foot in the door despite a bad gpa, but right now everyone\u2019s getting to be\/having to be extra picky because there are so many people looking for work.  Do you have ANY work experience?  Not just internships, I mean anything.","human_ref_B":"My first few years didn't go too well with grades as I was struggling with some personal things and even had my sister go through a major surgery at a young age. Landed myself on probation early on, even had my advisor tell me maybe I should rethink my career path and schooling plans. I also screwed up a bit as distractions hanging out and partying with friends helped me cope but seriously hurt my grades. Towards the final years I was crushing it though, Dean's list final 4 semesters as example. I didn't graduate with top honors or anything so no major corporation looked my way at first. I got in to a decent small firm, learned what the real world was like and moved up. I got into a bigger firm eventually. Honestly, I have met many really smart engineers and colleagues and can tell you it isn't all about grades even if some companies think so. Some of the most accredited folk, smartest people i worked with were just awful coworkers and were completely lost in the real world. Try where you can get in but learn and grow wherever you land up. If it's not for you, move on and keep learning and growing. Eventually the experience you have under your belt matters more then a GPA you had years ago when you were in school.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1078.0,"score_ratio":2.3333333333}
{"post_id":"gh20x5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Help. I just completed my degree in aerospace engineering with a 2.68\/4.0 gpa am I doomed as an engineer. I had 3 D\u2019s some B\u2019s and some C\u2019s and I had trouble of panicking and not remembering staff during exams and I don\u2019t think anyone could ever hire me. Any advice","c_root_id_A":"fq6xghq","c_root_id_B":"fq6vtxs","created_at_utc_A":1589139092,"created_at_utc_B":1589138495,"score_A":6,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"The majority of other people's comments here are spot on.  Don't panic and wind up drawing attention to the negatives.  You have strengths to focus on and should do so.  I worked my way thru school and struggled, but graduated with a BSME and a GPA that was *almost* as high as yours and now - after over 30 years work, multiple patents and such - no one would ever guess my school record today.  If you follow good advice, you can most certainly get hired, and after a few months on the job, that GPA won't mean a thing anymore.  My engineering training started on the job and continues to this day.  I've said this in response to similar postings:  Most employers are looking for good engineers, not good students.","human_ref_B":"Eh, my GPA was bad, maybe worse- I got my start in startups and now nobody asks my GPA. Made it to Senior engineer, got patents, am often considered for more senior roles. You just need to keep working hard and accept that maybe at first you come in a slightly different door than the valedictorian.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":597.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"gh20x5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Help. I just completed my degree in aerospace engineering with a 2.68\/4.0 gpa am I doomed as an engineer. I had 3 D\u2019s some B\u2019s and some C\u2019s and I had trouble of panicking and not remembering staff during exams and I don\u2019t think anyone could ever hire me. Any advice","c_root_id_A":"fq78tx5","c_root_id_B":"fq6zmy8","created_at_utc_A":1589143268,"created_at_utc_B":1589139885,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"During my interview to get my first job they asked me why your GPA is 2.75. I told them the truth, that I'm a terrible test taker. They hired me and never asked me again. Make sure you have other things to show. You'll be fine brother\/sister.","human_ref_B":"My first few years didn't go too well with grades as I was struggling with some personal things and even had my sister go through a major surgery at a young age. Landed myself on probation early on, even had my advisor tell me maybe I should rethink my career path and schooling plans. I also screwed up a bit as distractions hanging out and partying with friends helped me cope but seriously hurt my grades. Towards the final years I was crushing it though, Dean's list final 4 semesters as example. I didn't graduate with top honors or anything so no major corporation looked my way at first. I got in to a decent small firm, learned what the real world was like and moved up. I got into a bigger firm eventually. Honestly, I have met many really smart engineers and colleagues and can tell you it isn't all about grades even if some companies think so. Some of the most accredited folk, smartest people i worked with were just awful coworkers and were completely lost in the real world. Try where you can get in but learn and grow wherever you land up. If it's not for you, move on and keep learning and growing. Eventually the experience you have under your belt matters more then a GPA you had years ago when you were in school.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3383.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"bfd6xh","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Facebook stored millions of Instagram passwords in plaintext. How can a company of this scale make such a stupid mistake?","c_root_id_A":"elcx33d","c_root_id_B":"elcvtqy","created_at_utc_A":1555778138,"created_at_utc_B":1555777246,"score_A":275,"score_B":60,"human_ref_A":"Who knows in this instance, but it's surprisingly easy.  It might go like this:  Someone runs into an operational problem that they need to fix immediately-- users are impacted!  They add logging that they don't realize is capturing password submissions.  They go home and come back the next day and use the log to fix the issue, and turn off the logging.  The log file is kept around, maybe even in a bug database.  Later, someone realizes it contains millions of plaintext passwords.","human_ref_B":"I think some of your shock comes from the idea that there are individuals with full scope and vision over the entirety of a product at a company like Facebook, and that this stems from a single individual not requiring the passwords be secure.  A product like Instagram isn't a small scale endeavor that one person can hold in their head at once. There are hundreds of engineers, managers, trackers, \"attribute\" \/ \"experience\" people, finance people, etc. assigned to even a small project. Corporations function by taking a big project and chopping it up into a lot of smaller parts, and chopping those parts into smaller still, until you have small tasks you can hand off to a mountain of individually \"interchangeable\" (in the corporate mind) Engineers. The login and authentication portion of Instagram is probably dozens of people on its own.  What tends to happen (in my experience in the corporate world) is that these types of missteps stem from situations where there is a function that either has no one directly in charge of it, or is expected to be partially covered by a number of different groups. I'd bet the authentication people expected the storage people to encrypt the passwords, and the storage people expected to be getting encrypted data.  &#x200B;  Which I guess is a longwinded way to say \"the surprising thing to me is they didn't store all of them like that, and they didn't store other products the same way too.\" THAT would speak to weak process standardization in the company, which is perhaps the greatest sin, because now you have no idea what other batty things they're doing.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":892.0,"score_ratio":4.5833333333}
{"post_id":"bfd6xh","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Facebook stored millions of Instagram passwords in plaintext. How can a company of this scale make such a stupid mistake?","c_root_id_A":"elcr1e7","c_root_id_B":"elcx33d","created_at_utc_A":1555773908,"created_at_utc_B":1555778138,"score_A":14,"score_B":275,"human_ref_A":"I deleted my Facebook a while back due to this and other security reasons. I feel like they have not added any new features in the past five years or so. They have literally spent the past few years perfecting their ad algorithms to try to charge the most money for the perfect targeted ads. And my feed was still just literally ads for cat food\/toys and mattresses from that one time I went to mattressfirm.com and visited PetSmart.","human_ref_B":"Who knows in this instance, but it's surprisingly easy.  It might go like this:  Someone runs into an operational problem that they need to fix immediately-- users are impacted!  They add logging that they don't realize is capturing password submissions.  They go home and come back the next day and use the log to fix the issue, and turn off the logging.  The log file is kept around, maybe even in a bug database.  Later, someone realizes it contains millions of plaintext passwords.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4230.0,"score_ratio":19.6428571429}
{"post_id":"bfd6xh","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Facebook stored millions of Instagram passwords in plaintext. How can a company of this scale make such a stupid mistake?","c_root_id_A":"elcqh2x","c_root_id_B":"elcx33d","created_at_utc_A":1555773505,"created_at_utc_B":1555778138,"score_A":3,"score_B":275,"human_ref_A":"Hubris most likely, plus if it were from before it went big they may have just never updated it. Especially if they're focused on improving the user experience, they may just have never allocated any interest into updating their security. Which is really dumb.","human_ref_B":"Who knows in this instance, but it's surprisingly easy.  It might go like this:  Someone runs into an operational problem that they need to fix immediately-- users are impacted!  They add logging that they don't realize is capturing password submissions.  They go home and come back the next day and use the log to fix the issue, and turn off the logging.  The log file is kept around, maybe even in a bug database.  Later, someone realizes it contains millions of plaintext passwords.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4633.0,"score_ratio":91.6666666667}
{"post_id":"bfd6xh","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Facebook stored millions of Instagram passwords in plaintext. How can a company of this scale make such a stupid mistake?","c_root_id_A":"elcvtqy","c_root_id_B":"elcr1e7","created_at_utc_A":1555777246,"created_at_utc_B":1555773908,"score_A":60,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"I think some of your shock comes from the idea that there are individuals with full scope and vision over the entirety of a product at a company like Facebook, and that this stems from a single individual not requiring the passwords be secure.  A product like Instagram isn't a small scale endeavor that one person can hold in their head at once. There are hundreds of engineers, managers, trackers, \"attribute\" \/ \"experience\" people, finance people, etc. assigned to even a small project. Corporations function by taking a big project and chopping it up into a lot of smaller parts, and chopping those parts into smaller still, until you have small tasks you can hand off to a mountain of individually \"interchangeable\" (in the corporate mind) Engineers. The login and authentication portion of Instagram is probably dozens of people on its own.  What tends to happen (in my experience in the corporate world) is that these types of missteps stem from situations where there is a function that either has no one directly in charge of it, or is expected to be partially covered by a number of different groups. I'd bet the authentication people expected the storage people to encrypt the passwords, and the storage people expected to be getting encrypted data.  &#x200B;  Which I guess is a longwinded way to say \"the surprising thing to me is they didn't store all of them like that, and they didn't store other products the same way too.\" THAT would speak to weak process standardization in the company, which is perhaps the greatest sin, because now you have no idea what other batty things they're doing.","human_ref_B":"I deleted my Facebook a while back due to this and other security reasons. I feel like they have not added any new features in the past five years or so. They have literally spent the past few years perfecting their ad algorithms to try to charge the most money for the perfect targeted ads. And my feed was still just literally ads for cat food\/toys and mattresses from that one time I went to mattressfirm.com and visited PetSmart.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3338.0,"score_ratio":4.2857142857}
{"post_id":"bfd6xh","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Facebook stored millions of Instagram passwords in plaintext. How can a company of this scale make such a stupid mistake?","c_root_id_A":"elcqh2x","c_root_id_B":"elcvtqy","created_at_utc_A":1555773505,"created_at_utc_B":1555777246,"score_A":3,"score_B":60,"human_ref_A":"Hubris most likely, plus if it were from before it went big they may have just never updated it. Especially if they're focused on improving the user experience, they may just have never allocated any interest into updating their security. Which is really dumb.","human_ref_B":"I think some of your shock comes from the idea that there are individuals with full scope and vision over the entirety of a product at a company like Facebook, and that this stems from a single individual not requiring the passwords be secure.  A product like Instagram isn't a small scale endeavor that one person can hold in their head at once. There are hundreds of engineers, managers, trackers, \"attribute\" \/ \"experience\" people, finance people, etc. assigned to even a small project. Corporations function by taking a big project and chopping it up into a lot of smaller parts, and chopping those parts into smaller still, until you have small tasks you can hand off to a mountain of individually \"interchangeable\" (in the corporate mind) Engineers. The login and authentication portion of Instagram is probably dozens of people on its own.  What tends to happen (in my experience in the corporate world) is that these types of missteps stem from situations where there is a function that either has no one directly in charge of it, or is expected to be partially covered by a number of different groups. I'd bet the authentication people expected the storage people to encrypt the passwords, and the storage people expected to be getting encrypted data.  &#x200B;  Which I guess is a longwinded way to say \"the surprising thing to me is they didn't store all of them like that, and they didn't store other products the same way too.\" THAT would speak to weak process standardization in the company, which is perhaps the greatest sin, because now you have no idea what other batty things they're doing.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3741.0,"score_ratio":20.0}
{"post_id":"bfd6xh","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Facebook stored millions of Instagram passwords in plaintext. How can a company of this scale make such a stupid mistake?","c_root_id_A":"elcr1e7","c_root_id_B":"eldapz1","created_at_utc_A":1555773908,"created_at_utc_B":1555787431,"score_A":14,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"I deleted my Facebook a while back due to this and other security reasons. I feel like they have not added any new features in the past five years or so. They have literally spent the past few years perfecting their ad algorithms to try to charge the most money for the perfect targeted ads. And my feed was still just literally ads for cat food\/toys and mattresses from that one time I went to mattressfirm.com and visited PetSmart.","human_ref_B":"A lot of people are giving answers despite not knowing the details of the problem.  First let me say that I despise Zuckerberg as much as the next red blooded American, and I haven't had a FB account for years. But....  Facebook was logging requests for a separate purpose, and it happened that the requests they chose to log also captured passwords. Logs are not typically encrypted because you don't expect that they'll capture passwords. It appears that they used this data for years without anyone realizing that it also contained passwords. Or, if someone did realize it, they didn't report it.  It's entirely possible, especially in an organization as big as Facebook, for something like this to happen without it being gross negligence or malicious intent.  Naturally since Facebook is a terrible company they're trying to weasel their way out of taking responsibility, but that should be expected and does not reflect on the actual problem.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":13523.0,"score_ratio":1.0714285714}
{"post_id":"bfd6xh","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Facebook stored millions of Instagram passwords in plaintext. How can a company of this scale make such a stupid mistake?","c_root_id_A":"elcqh2x","c_root_id_B":"elcr1e7","created_at_utc_A":1555773505,"created_at_utc_B":1555773908,"score_A":3,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"Hubris most likely, plus if it were from before it went big they may have just never updated it. Especially if they're focused on improving the user experience, they may just have never allocated any interest into updating their security. Which is really dumb.","human_ref_B":"I deleted my Facebook a while back due to this and other security reasons. I feel like they have not added any new features in the past five years or so. They have literally spent the past few years perfecting their ad algorithms to try to charge the most money for the perfect targeted ads. And my feed was still just literally ads for cat food\/toys and mattresses from that one time I went to mattressfirm.com and visited PetSmart.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":403.0,"score_ratio":4.6666666667}
{"post_id":"bfd6xh","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Facebook stored millions of Instagram passwords in plaintext. How can a company of this scale make such a stupid mistake?","c_root_id_A":"eldapz1","c_root_id_B":"elcqh2x","created_at_utc_A":1555787431,"created_at_utc_B":1555773505,"score_A":15,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"A lot of people are giving answers despite not knowing the details of the problem.  First let me say that I despise Zuckerberg as much as the next red blooded American, and I haven't had a FB account for years. But....  Facebook was logging requests for a separate purpose, and it happened that the requests they chose to log also captured passwords. Logs are not typically encrypted because you don't expect that they'll capture passwords. It appears that they used this data for years without anyone realizing that it also contained passwords. Or, if someone did realize it, they didn't report it.  It's entirely possible, especially in an organization as big as Facebook, for something like this to happen without it being gross negligence or malicious intent.  Naturally since Facebook is a terrible company they're trying to weasel their way out of taking responsibility, but that should be expected and does not reflect on the actual problem.","human_ref_B":"Hubris most likely, plus if it were from before it went big they may have just never updated it. Especially if they're focused on improving the user experience, they may just have never allocated any interest into updating their security. Which is really dumb.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":13926.0,"score_ratio":5.0}
{"post_id":"bfd6xh","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Facebook stored millions of Instagram passwords in plaintext. How can a company of this scale make such a stupid mistake?","c_root_id_A":"elcysx2","c_root_id_B":"eldapz1","created_at_utc_A":1555779333,"created_at_utc_B":1555787431,"score_A":2,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"Was it a mistake, or just low effort?","human_ref_B":"A lot of people are giving answers despite not knowing the details of the problem.  First let me say that I despise Zuckerberg as much as the next red blooded American, and I haven't had a FB account for years. But....  Facebook was logging requests for a separate purpose, and it happened that the requests they chose to log also captured passwords. Logs are not typically encrypted because you don't expect that they'll capture passwords. It appears that they used this data for years without anyone realizing that it also contained passwords. Or, if someone did realize it, they didn't report it.  It's entirely possible, especially in an organization as big as Facebook, for something like this to happen without it being gross negligence or malicious intent.  Naturally since Facebook is a terrible company they're trying to weasel their way out of taking responsibility, but that should be expected and does not reflect on the actual problem.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8098.0,"score_ratio":7.5}
{"post_id":"bfd6xh","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Facebook stored millions of Instagram passwords in plaintext. How can a company of this scale make such a stupid mistake?","c_root_id_A":"elcqh2x","c_root_id_B":"eldaqyb","created_at_utc_A":1555773505,"created_at_utc_B":1555787450,"score_A":3,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Hubris most likely, plus if it were from before it went big they may have just never updated it. Especially if they're focused on improving the user experience, they may just have never allocated any interest into updating their security. Which is really dumb.","human_ref_B":"Having worked with them:  They are SUPREMELY arrogant, most engineers there I've worked with can't imagine having made a mistake.  This sounds like something hacked together once, then forgotten because something cooler came around, and the tpms are basically terrified of the engineers.  It's on my list of 'not even if you have to starve' companies.  Tl;dr - because they're complete morons.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":13945.0,"score_ratio":2.3333333333}
{"post_id":"bfd6xh","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Facebook stored millions of Instagram passwords in plaintext. How can a company of this scale make such a stupid mistake?","c_root_id_A":"eldaqyb","c_root_id_B":"elcysx2","created_at_utc_A":1555787450,"created_at_utc_B":1555779333,"score_A":7,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Having worked with them:  They are SUPREMELY arrogant, most engineers there I've worked with can't imagine having made a mistake.  This sounds like something hacked together once, then forgotten because something cooler came around, and the tpms are basically terrified of the engineers.  It's on my list of 'not even if you have to starve' companies.  Tl;dr - because they're complete morons.","human_ref_B":"Was it a mistake, or just low effort?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8117.0,"score_ratio":3.5}
{"post_id":"hpwl9u","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Starting to think about retirement after working as an engineer since 1984. What are the long term expectations? What has been the experience of those who have retired and have active lives?  General situation: I love my job, I like the current company I work for. My job is incredibly challenging, I\u2019m on my toes all day long, solving problems, answering questions and overall see the project grow and evolve. I just love it! I have many different hobbies and outside interests, I\u2019m an artist, a photographer, love to hike and bike and I live in Florida with great outdoors all year long. I have a very balanced life.    This is the now: My job is very stressful, stress that I impose, but stressful. I love the chaos of everyday solving problems (we\u2019re building a systems, it is not in steady state). I love being around people like me (geeks and nerds with Sci-fi decorated offices). I love working with young people, most in my team are young enough to be my children; the interactions are funny as hell. And I love their point of view! I\u2019m 62, and I\u2019m starting to get tired. I don\u2019t feel my brain is as fast as it used to be. I know I need to go, I just don\u2019t know how, when, why and to do what?  My older sisters, also engineers, tell me I have to have a plan. They are all retired, happy, and with things to do. But somehow, they suddenly got \u201cold\u201d. I don\u2019t want to get old. I definitely don\u2019t want to grow up. Now what?  I don\u2019t know that I can spend the next 20 or so years not being an engineer. I know I\u2019ll do everything I can to stay up in technology, but that is all I know.","c_root_id_A":"fxufra8","c_root_id_B":"fxu7p4n","created_at_utc_A":1594573997,"created_at_utc_B":1594569785,"score_A":230,"score_B":229,"human_ref_A":"> I know I need to go  Heh.  You remind me of a former (now retired) colleague of mine.  His last 2-3 years his mantra was, \"I gotsta go.  I'm old, gray, and in the way!\"  That said... Don't be my father.  He did about 50 years as an engineer.  He retired because his wife more or less demanded that he do so.  But he had no hobbies.  Once he retired?  Sure, they went on cruises and such but his life lost meaning.  He ate a bullet about 2 years after he retired.  Whatever it is, find your post-retirement purpose.","human_ref_B":"Teaching the next generation may be an option.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4212.0,"score_ratio":1.0043668122}
{"post_id":"hpwl9u","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Starting to think about retirement after working as an engineer since 1984. What are the long term expectations? What has been the experience of those who have retired and have active lives?  General situation: I love my job, I like the current company I work for. My job is incredibly challenging, I\u2019m on my toes all day long, solving problems, answering questions and overall see the project grow and evolve. I just love it! I have many different hobbies and outside interests, I\u2019m an artist, a photographer, love to hike and bike and I live in Florida with great outdoors all year long. I have a very balanced life.    This is the now: My job is very stressful, stress that I impose, but stressful. I love the chaos of everyday solving problems (we\u2019re building a systems, it is not in steady state). I love being around people like me (geeks and nerds with Sci-fi decorated offices). I love working with young people, most in my team are young enough to be my children; the interactions are funny as hell. And I love their point of view! I\u2019m 62, and I\u2019m starting to get tired. I don\u2019t feel my brain is as fast as it used to be. I know I need to go, I just don\u2019t know how, when, why and to do what?  My older sisters, also engineers, tell me I have to have a plan. They are all retired, happy, and with things to do. But somehow, they suddenly got \u201cold\u201d. I don\u2019t want to get old. I definitely don\u2019t want to grow up. Now what?  I don\u2019t know that I can spend the next 20 or so years not being an engineer. I know I\u2019ll do everything I can to stay up in technology, but that is all I know.","c_root_id_A":"fxu8fxj","c_root_id_B":"fxufra8","created_at_utc_A":1594570179,"created_at_utc_B":1594573997,"score_A":78,"score_B":230,"human_ref_A":"Start looking into hobbies do and clubs you can join or look into consultant work. Everyone should retire eventually but not everyone uses that time wisely.  Retirement does not mean you are done with engineering or to old to do engineering. It just means you have saved up enough to do what you want with your time.   I still keep in touch with my mentor from my first job. He felt the same way as you but our company offered him a consultant job at 10 hours a week. He comes in shoots shit and mentors the newer engineers on projects they are working on. He also joined a remote control aircraft club and builds scale aircrafts and flies them at competitions. He also kayaks a couple miles a day the guy is more active for a 70 year old than most people I have ever met","human_ref_B":"> I know I need to go  Heh.  You remind me of a former (now retired) colleague of mine.  His last 2-3 years his mantra was, \"I gotsta go.  I'm old, gray, and in the way!\"  That said... Don't be my father.  He did about 50 years as an engineer.  He retired because his wife more or less demanded that he do so.  But he had no hobbies.  Once he retired?  Sure, they went on cruises and such but his life lost meaning.  He ate a bullet about 2 years after he retired.  Whatever it is, find your post-retirement purpose.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3818.0,"score_ratio":2.9487179487}
{"post_id":"hpwl9u","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Starting to think about retirement after working as an engineer since 1984. What are the long term expectations? What has been the experience of those who have retired and have active lives?  General situation: I love my job, I like the current company I work for. My job is incredibly challenging, I\u2019m on my toes all day long, solving problems, answering questions and overall see the project grow and evolve. I just love it! I have many different hobbies and outside interests, I\u2019m an artist, a photographer, love to hike and bike and I live in Florida with great outdoors all year long. I have a very balanced life.    This is the now: My job is very stressful, stress that I impose, but stressful. I love the chaos of everyday solving problems (we\u2019re building a systems, it is not in steady state). I love being around people like me (geeks and nerds with Sci-fi decorated offices). I love working with young people, most in my team are young enough to be my children; the interactions are funny as hell. And I love their point of view! I\u2019m 62, and I\u2019m starting to get tired. I don\u2019t feel my brain is as fast as it used to be. I know I need to go, I just don\u2019t know how, when, why and to do what?  My older sisters, also engineers, tell me I have to have a plan. They are all retired, happy, and with things to do. But somehow, they suddenly got \u201cold\u201d. I don\u2019t want to get old. I definitely don\u2019t want to grow up. Now what?  I don\u2019t know that I can spend the next 20 or so years not being an engineer. I know I\u2019ll do everything I can to stay up in technology, but that is all I know.","c_root_id_A":"fxufra8","c_root_id_B":"fxuaxgt","created_at_utc_A":1594573997,"created_at_utc_B":1594571503,"score_A":230,"score_B":32,"human_ref_A":"> I know I need to go  Heh.  You remind me of a former (now retired) colleague of mine.  His last 2-3 years his mantra was, \"I gotsta go.  I'm old, gray, and in the way!\"  That said... Don't be my father.  He did about 50 years as an engineer.  He retired because his wife more or less demanded that he do so.  But he had no hobbies.  Once he retired?  Sure, they went on cruises and such but his life lost meaning.  He ate a bullet about 2 years after he retired.  Whatever it is, find your post-retirement purpose.","human_ref_B":"I retired in '18. I dream about it (an engineer also) almost every night. 47 years is a long time. The funk can be so bad sometimes...","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2494.0,"score_ratio":7.1875}
{"post_id":"hpwl9u","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Starting to think about retirement after working as an engineer since 1984. What are the long term expectations? What has been the experience of those who have retired and have active lives?  General situation: I love my job, I like the current company I work for. My job is incredibly challenging, I\u2019m on my toes all day long, solving problems, answering questions and overall see the project grow and evolve. I just love it! I have many different hobbies and outside interests, I\u2019m an artist, a photographer, love to hike and bike and I live in Florida with great outdoors all year long. I have a very balanced life.    This is the now: My job is very stressful, stress that I impose, but stressful. I love the chaos of everyday solving problems (we\u2019re building a systems, it is not in steady state). I love being around people like me (geeks and nerds with Sci-fi decorated offices). I love working with young people, most in my team are young enough to be my children; the interactions are funny as hell. And I love their point of view! I\u2019m 62, and I\u2019m starting to get tired. I don\u2019t feel my brain is as fast as it used to be. I know I need to go, I just don\u2019t know how, when, why and to do what?  My older sisters, also engineers, tell me I have to have a plan. They are all retired, happy, and with things to do. But somehow, they suddenly got \u201cold\u201d. I don\u2019t want to get old. I definitely don\u2019t want to grow up. Now what?  I don\u2019t know that I can spend the next 20 or so years not being an engineer. I know I\u2019ll do everything I can to stay up in technology, but that is all I know.","c_root_id_A":"fxufra8","c_root_id_B":"fxuex9d","created_at_utc_A":1594573997,"created_at_utc_B":1594573579,"score_A":230,"score_B":18,"human_ref_A":"> I know I need to go  Heh.  You remind me of a former (now retired) colleague of mine.  His last 2-3 years his mantra was, \"I gotsta go.  I'm old, gray, and in the way!\"  That said... Don't be my father.  He did about 50 years as an engineer.  He retired because his wife more or less demanded that he do so.  But he had no hobbies.  Once he retired?  Sure, they went on cruises and such but his life lost meaning.  He ate a bullet about 2 years after he retired.  Whatever it is, find your post-retirement purpose.","human_ref_B":"I don\u2019t know how many fields they\u2019re involved in, but I wonder if getting into guiding a chapter of Engineers Without Borders would be a good option.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":418.0,"score_ratio":12.7777777778}
{"post_id":"hpwl9u","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Starting to think about retirement after working as an engineer since 1984. What are the long term expectations? What has been the experience of those who have retired and have active lives?  General situation: I love my job, I like the current company I work for. My job is incredibly challenging, I\u2019m on my toes all day long, solving problems, answering questions and overall see the project grow and evolve. I just love it! I have many different hobbies and outside interests, I\u2019m an artist, a photographer, love to hike and bike and I live in Florida with great outdoors all year long. I have a very balanced life.    This is the now: My job is very stressful, stress that I impose, but stressful. I love the chaos of everyday solving problems (we\u2019re building a systems, it is not in steady state). I love being around people like me (geeks and nerds with Sci-fi decorated offices). I love working with young people, most in my team are young enough to be my children; the interactions are funny as hell. And I love their point of view! I\u2019m 62, and I\u2019m starting to get tired. I don\u2019t feel my brain is as fast as it used to be. I know I need to go, I just don\u2019t know how, when, why and to do what?  My older sisters, also engineers, tell me I have to have a plan. They are all retired, happy, and with things to do. But somehow, they suddenly got \u201cold\u201d. I don\u2019t want to get old. I definitely don\u2019t want to grow up. Now what?  I don\u2019t know that I can spend the next 20 or so years not being an engineer. I know I\u2019ll do everything I can to stay up in technology, but that is all I know.","c_root_id_A":"fxufp5s","c_root_id_B":"fxufra8","created_at_utc_A":1594573968,"created_at_utc_B":1594573997,"score_A":8,"score_B":230,"human_ref_A":"You can do summer programs with local middle\/high schools doing something like teaching them to do robotics with arduinos, tinkering with circuits, 3D modeling and printing out the results, whatever you're comfortable doing.  You can also do home engineering projects.  I had plans to build an aquarium with a self-regulating pH loop, automated feeding, etc. I decided it sounded too much like work, but I'd still like to do it if I had an engineering itch to scratch.    Building a smart house system is another fun one if you're into technology.  Get a couple cameras, control them with microprocessors and pull the feed into a drive that you connect with your router.  You can also do fun things like put a bunch of movies on there that anyone connected to your wifi can access at your house.  I don't know how good smart house ecosystems are now, but I wanted to make some little simple app that could control everything in my house, like the thermostat.  That's another one that started sounding too much like work since I spend most of my day programming already.  Home brewing is another engineering-adjacent project if you drink.  There are a ton of ways to apply engineering skills outside of a work context.  Personally, I think your other hobbies are what will really keep you young for as long as possible!  A big source of brain aging is poor oxygen circulation, which should be mitigated by your cardio activities.  I would suggest working some cardio in *every day*.  I live next door to you, and 'round these parts (and this time of year) swimming is an awesome option for cardio.  Easier on your joints, too.  Best of luck, I know aging sucks.  I can already tell it isn't as effortless for me to devour information as it was a decade ago.  Some part of a solution has to be accepting what mitigation can't accomplish.","human_ref_B":"> I know I need to go  Heh.  You remind me of a former (now retired) colleague of mine.  His last 2-3 years his mantra was, \"I gotsta go.  I'm old, gray, and in the way!\"  That said... Don't be my father.  He did about 50 years as an engineer.  He retired because his wife more or less demanded that he do so.  But he had no hobbies.  Once he retired?  Sure, they went on cruises and such but his life lost meaning.  He ate a bullet about 2 years after he retired.  Whatever it is, find your post-retirement purpose.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":29.0,"score_ratio":28.75}
{"post_id":"hpwl9u","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Starting to think about retirement after working as an engineer since 1984. What are the long term expectations? What has been the experience of those who have retired and have active lives?  General situation: I love my job, I like the current company I work for. My job is incredibly challenging, I\u2019m on my toes all day long, solving problems, answering questions and overall see the project grow and evolve. I just love it! I have many different hobbies and outside interests, I\u2019m an artist, a photographer, love to hike and bike and I live in Florida with great outdoors all year long. I have a very balanced life.    This is the now: My job is very stressful, stress that I impose, but stressful. I love the chaos of everyday solving problems (we\u2019re building a systems, it is not in steady state). I love being around people like me (geeks and nerds with Sci-fi decorated offices). I love working with young people, most in my team are young enough to be my children; the interactions are funny as hell. And I love their point of view! I\u2019m 62, and I\u2019m starting to get tired. I don\u2019t feel my brain is as fast as it used to be. I know I need to go, I just don\u2019t know how, when, why and to do what?  My older sisters, also engineers, tell me I have to have a plan. They are all retired, happy, and with things to do. But somehow, they suddenly got \u201cold\u201d. I don\u2019t want to get old. I definitely don\u2019t want to grow up. Now what?  I don\u2019t know that I can spend the next 20 or so years not being an engineer. I know I\u2019ll do everything I can to stay up in technology, but that is all I know.","c_root_id_A":"fxuex9d","c_root_id_B":"fxukocl","created_at_utc_A":1594573579,"created_at_utc_B":1594576504,"score_A":18,"score_B":31,"human_ref_A":"I don\u2019t know how many fields they\u2019re involved in, but I wonder if getting into guiding a chapter of Engineers Without Borders would be a good option.","human_ref_B":"You sound like a really cool person. Every supervising engineer I have ever had with lots of experience seems like they hate interaction with younger engineers.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2925.0,"score_ratio":1.7222222222}
{"post_id":"hpwl9u","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Starting to think about retirement after working as an engineer since 1984. What are the long term expectations? What has been the experience of those who have retired and have active lives?  General situation: I love my job, I like the current company I work for. My job is incredibly challenging, I\u2019m on my toes all day long, solving problems, answering questions and overall see the project grow and evolve. I just love it! I have many different hobbies and outside interests, I\u2019m an artist, a photographer, love to hike and bike and I live in Florida with great outdoors all year long. I have a very balanced life.    This is the now: My job is very stressful, stress that I impose, but stressful. I love the chaos of everyday solving problems (we\u2019re building a systems, it is not in steady state). I love being around people like me (geeks and nerds with Sci-fi decorated offices). I love working with young people, most in my team are young enough to be my children; the interactions are funny as hell. And I love their point of view! I\u2019m 62, and I\u2019m starting to get tired. I don\u2019t feel my brain is as fast as it used to be. I know I need to go, I just don\u2019t know how, when, why and to do what?  My older sisters, also engineers, tell me I have to have a plan. They are all retired, happy, and with things to do. But somehow, they suddenly got \u201cold\u201d. I don\u2019t want to get old. I definitely don\u2019t want to grow up. Now what?  I don\u2019t know that I can spend the next 20 or so years not being an engineer. I know I\u2019ll do everything I can to stay up in technology, but that is all I know.","c_root_id_A":"fxuk1yd","c_root_id_B":"fxukocl","created_at_utc_A":1594576179,"created_at_utc_B":1594576504,"score_A":12,"score_B":31,"human_ref_A":"Look into non profits.   Manny of my colleagues retired to work part time with a non profit. The pace is slower so it gives you a way to ease out of the stress instead of quitting it cold turkey. It gives you somewhere to go so you have a schedule, and they are very interested in your expertise.  We work with the United Way to find non profits that need \u201cskill based volunteering\u201d.  They can help you match your interests to the organizations.  Try a few out before you commit.  Note that our united way is very professional. Yours may not be.  The city sometimes has volunteer coordinators as well.   There are over 100 non profits in my town so lots of different options.  My dad was going bonkers when he retired. He\u2019d go to Walmart every morning for free coffee and come home with odds and ends. 2 weeks in he realized he had 10 bags from Walmart and no idea what crap was in them.  He found a historic church to work with. They needed a ton of maintenance done. They helped him round up a crew of underemployed folks, and he is the foreman. The church covers materials and an hourly wage for his \u201cstaff\u201d.  So far they have refinished the pews, pulled and painted the shutters, and resealed the windows.  He likes being helpful and in charge. The renovation work scratches that itch for him.  I work with the food bank to help them with their IT, websites and software. I\u2019m not retired yet, but it\u2019s a nice low stress way to help in the community.  Also look at joining boards. So much of engineering budgeting, schedules, mentoring and risk analysis happens in the board room too. All those non profits need board members too. The United Way can again help you find places needing board members too YMMV.  Boards are a great place to meet folks in the community and expand your impact.  I spend 2-3 hours a month on my board position.  Good luck. The transition can be scary, but is totally worth it.","human_ref_B":"You sound like a really cool person. Every supervising engineer I have ever had with lots of experience seems like they hate interaction with younger engineers.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":325.0,"score_ratio":2.5833333333}
{"post_id":"hpwl9u","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Starting to think about retirement after working as an engineer since 1984. What are the long term expectations? What has been the experience of those who have retired and have active lives?  General situation: I love my job, I like the current company I work for. My job is incredibly challenging, I\u2019m on my toes all day long, solving problems, answering questions and overall see the project grow and evolve. I just love it! I have many different hobbies and outside interests, I\u2019m an artist, a photographer, love to hike and bike and I live in Florida with great outdoors all year long. I have a very balanced life.    This is the now: My job is very stressful, stress that I impose, but stressful. I love the chaos of everyday solving problems (we\u2019re building a systems, it is not in steady state). I love being around people like me (geeks and nerds with Sci-fi decorated offices). I love working with young people, most in my team are young enough to be my children; the interactions are funny as hell. And I love their point of view! I\u2019m 62, and I\u2019m starting to get tired. I don\u2019t feel my brain is as fast as it used to be. I know I need to go, I just don\u2019t know how, when, why and to do what?  My older sisters, also engineers, tell me I have to have a plan. They are all retired, happy, and with things to do. But somehow, they suddenly got \u201cold\u201d. I don\u2019t want to get old. I definitely don\u2019t want to grow up. Now what?  I don\u2019t know that I can spend the next 20 or so years not being an engineer. I know I\u2019ll do everything I can to stay up in technology, but that is all I know.","c_root_id_A":"fxukocl","c_root_id_B":"fxufp5s","created_at_utc_A":1594576504,"created_at_utc_B":1594573968,"score_A":31,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"You sound like a really cool person. Every supervising engineer I have ever had with lots of experience seems like they hate interaction with younger engineers.","human_ref_B":"You can do summer programs with local middle\/high schools doing something like teaching them to do robotics with arduinos, tinkering with circuits, 3D modeling and printing out the results, whatever you're comfortable doing.  You can also do home engineering projects.  I had plans to build an aquarium with a self-regulating pH loop, automated feeding, etc. I decided it sounded too much like work, but I'd still like to do it if I had an engineering itch to scratch.    Building a smart house system is another fun one if you're into technology.  Get a couple cameras, control them with microprocessors and pull the feed into a drive that you connect with your router.  You can also do fun things like put a bunch of movies on there that anyone connected to your wifi can access at your house.  I don't know how good smart house ecosystems are now, but I wanted to make some little simple app that could control everything in my house, like the thermostat.  That's another one that started sounding too much like work since I spend most of my day programming already.  Home brewing is another engineering-adjacent project if you drink.  There are a ton of ways to apply engineering skills outside of a work context.  Personally, I think your other hobbies are what will really keep you young for as long as possible!  A big source of brain aging is poor oxygen circulation, which should be mitigated by your cardio activities.  I would suggest working some cardio in *every day*.  I live next door to you, and 'round these parts (and this time of year) swimming is an awesome option for cardio.  Easier on your joints, too.  Best of luck, I know aging sucks.  I can already tell it isn't as effortless for me to devour information as it was a decade ago.  Some part of a solution has to be accepting what mitigation can't accomplish.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2536.0,"score_ratio":3.875}
{"post_id":"hpwl9u","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Starting to think about retirement after working as an engineer since 1984. What are the long term expectations? What has been the experience of those who have retired and have active lives?  General situation: I love my job, I like the current company I work for. My job is incredibly challenging, I\u2019m on my toes all day long, solving problems, answering questions and overall see the project grow and evolve. I just love it! I have many different hobbies and outside interests, I\u2019m an artist, a photographer, love to hike and bike and I live in Florida with great outdoors all year long. I have a very balanced life.    This is the now: My job is very stressful, stress that I impose, but stressful. I love the chaos of everyday solving problems (we\u2019re building a systems, it is not in steady state). I love being around people like me (geeks and nerds with Sci-fi decorated offices). I love working with young people, most in my team are young enough to be my children; the interactions are funny as hell. And I love their point of view! I\u2019m 62, and I\u2019m starting to get tired. I don\u2019t feel my brain is as fast as it used to be. I know I need to go, I just don\u2019t know how, when, why and to do what?  My older sisters, also engineers, tell me I have to have a plan. They are all retired, happy, and with things to do. But somehow, they suddenly got \u201cold\u201d. I don\u2019t want to get old. I definitely don\u2019t want to grow up. Now what?  I don\u2019t know that I can spend the next 20 or so years not being an engineer. I know I\u2019ll do everything I can to stay up in technology, but that is all I know.","c_root_id_A":"fxukocl","c_root_id_B":"fxujzpx","created_at_utc_A":1594576504,"created_at_utc_B":1594576146,"score_A":31,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"You sound like a really cool person. Every supervising engineer I have ever had with lots of experience seems like they hate interaction with younger engineers.","human_ref_B":"What about working part-time or contract\/consultant?  Set your own schedule and still work in the environment you want to work in.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":358.0,"score_ratio":7.75}
{"post_id":"hpwl9u","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Starting to think about retirement after working as an engineer since 1984. What are the long term expectations? What has been the experience of those who have retired and have active lives?  General situation: I love my job, I like the current company I work for. My job is incredibly challenging, I\u2019m on my toes all day long, solving problems, answering questions and overall see the project grow and evolve. I just love it! I have many different hobbies and outside interests, I\u2019m an artist, a photographer, love to hike and bike and I live in Florida with great outdoors all year long. I have a very balanced life.    This is the now: My job is very stressful, stress that I impose, but stressful. I love the chaos of everyday solving problems (we\u2019re building a systems, it is not in steady state). I love being around people like me (geeks and nerds with Sci-fi decorated offices). I love working with young people, most in my team are young enough to be my children; the interactions are funny as hell. And I love their point of view! I\u2019m 62, and I\u2019m starting to get tired. I don\u2019t feel my brain is as fast as it used to be. I know I need to go, I just don\u2019t know how, when, why and to do what?  My older sisters, also engineers, tell me I have to have a plan. They are all retired, happy, and with things to do. But somehow, they suddenly got \u201cold\u201d. I don\u2019t want to get old. I definitely don\u2019t want to grow up. Now what?  I don\u2019t know that I can spend the next 20 or so years not being an engineer. I know I\u2019ll do everything I can to stay up in technology, but that is all I know.","c_root_id_A":"fxukocl","c_root_id_B":"fxuk7yl","created_at_utc_A":1594576504,"created_at_utc_B":1594576265,"score_A":31,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"You sound like a really cool person. Every supervising engineer I have ever had with lots of experience seems like they hate interaction with younger engineers.","human_ref_B":"You could try consulting. Your current company may not want the sudden brain drain that goes along with a losing an experienced engineer of 36 years. Keep some side income, but do it mostly on your schedule.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":239.0,"score_ratio":10.3333333333}
{"post_id":"hpwl9u","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Starting to think about retirement after working as an engineer since 1984. What are the long term expectations? What has been the experience of those who have retired and have active lives?  General situation: I love my job, I like the current company I work for. My job is incredibly challenging, I\u2019m on my toes all day long, solving problems, answering questions and overall see the project grow and evolve. I just love it! I have many different hobbies and outside interests, I\u2019m an artist, a photographer, love to hike and bike and I live in Florida with great outdoors all year long. I have a very balanced life.    This is the now: My job is very stressful, stress that I impose, but stressful. I love the chaos of everyday solving problems (we\u2019re building a systems, it is not in steady state). I love being around people like me (geeks and nerds with Sci-fi decorated offices). I love working with young people, most in my team are young enough to be my children; the interactions are funny as hell. And I love their point of view! I\u2019m 62, and I\u2019m starting to get tired. I don\u2019t feel my brain is as fast as it used to be. I know I need to go, I just don\u2019t know how, when, why and to do what?  My older sisters, also engineers, tell me I have to have a plan. They are all retired, happy, and with things to do. But somehow, they suddenly got \u201cold\u201d. I don\u2019t want to get old. I definitely don\u2019t want to grow up. Now what?  I don\u2019t know that I can spend the next 20 or so years not being an engineer. I know I\u2019ll do everything I can to stay up in technology, but that is all I know.","c_root_id_A":"fxuk1yd","c_root_id_B":"fxufp5s","created_at_utc_A":1594576179,"created_at_utc_B":1594573968,"score_A":12,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"Look into non profits.   Manny of my colleagues retired to work part time with a non profit. The pace is slower so it gives you a way to ease out of the stress instead of quitting it cold turkey. It gives you somewhere to go so you have a schedule, and they are very interested in your expertise.  We work with the United Way to find non profits that need \u201cskill based volunteering\u201d.  They can help you match your interests to the organizations.  Try a few out before you commit.  Note that our united way is very professional. Yours may not be.  The city sometimes has volunteer coordinators as well.   There are over 100 non profits in my town so lots of different options.  My dad was going bonkers when he retired. He\u2019d go to Walmart every morning for free coffee and come home with odds and ends. 2 weeks in he realized he had 10 bags from Walmart and no idea what crap was in them.  He found a historic church to work with. They needed a ton of maintenance done. They helped him round up a crew of underemployed folks, and he is the foreman. The church covers materials and an hourly wage for his \u201cstaff\u201d.  So far they have refinished the pews, pulled and painted the shutters, and resealed the windows.  He likes being helpful and in charge. The renovation work scratches that itch for him.  I work with the food bank to help them with their IT, websites and software. I\u2019m not retired yet, but it\u2019s a nice low stress way to help in the community.  Also look at joining boards. So much of engineering budgeting, schedules, mentoring and risk analysis happens in the board room too. All those non profits need board members too. The United Way can again help you find places needing board members too YMMV.  Boards are a great place to meet folks in the community and expand your impact.  I spend 2-3 hours a month on my board position.  Good luck. The transition can be scary, but is totally worth it.","human_ref_B":"You can do summer programs with local middle\/high schools doing something like teaching them to do robotics with arduinos, tinkering with circuits, 3D modeling and printing out the results, whatever you're comfortable doing.  You can also do home engineering projects.  I had plans to build an aquarium with a self-regulating pH loop, automated feeding, etc. I decided it sounded too much like work, but I'd still like to do it if I had an engineering itch to scratch.    Building a smart house system is another fun one if you're into technology.  Get a couple cameras, control them with microprocessors and pull the feed into a drive that you connect with your router.  You can also do fun things like put a bunch of movies on there that anyone connected to your wifi can access at your house.  I don't know how good smart house ecosystems are now, but I wanted to make some little simple app that could control everything in my house, like the thermostat.  That's another one that started sounding too much like work since I spend most of my day programming already.  Home brewing is another engineering-adjacent project if you drink.  There are a ton of ways to apply engineering skills outside of a work context.  Personally, I think your other hobbies are what will really keep you young for as long as possible!  A big source of brain aging is poor oxygen circulation, which should be mitigated by your cardio activities.  I would suggest working some cardio in *every day*.  I live next door to you, and 'round these parts (and this time of year) swimming is an awesome option for cardio.  Easier on your joints, too.  Best of luck, I know aging sucks.  I can already tell it isn't as effortless for me to devour information as it was a decade ago.  Some part of a solution has to be accepting what mitigation can't accomplish.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2211.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"hpwl9u","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Starting to think about retirement after working as an engineer since 1984. What are the long term expectations? What has been the experience of those who have retired and have active lives?  General situation: I love my job, I like the current company I work for. My job is incredibly challenging, I\u2019m on my toes all day long, solving problems, answering questions and overall see the project grow and evolve. I just love it! I have many different hobbies and outside interests, I\u2019m an artist, a photographer, love to hike and bike and I live in Florida with great outdoors all year long. I have a very balanced life.    This is the now: My job is very stressful, stress that I impose, but stressful. I love the chaos of everyday solving problems (we\u2019re building a systems, it is not in steady state). I love being around people like me (geeks and nerds with Sci-fi decorated offices). I love working with young people, most in my team are young enough to be my children; the interactions are funny as hell. And I love their point of view! I\u2019m 62, and I\u2019m starting to get tired. I don\u2019t feel my brain is as fast as it used to be. I know I need to go, I just don\u2019t know how, when, why and to do what?  My older sisters, also engineers, tell me I have to have a plan. They are all retired, happy, and with things to do. But somehow, they suddenly got \u201cold\u201d. I don\u2019t want to get old. I definitely don\u2019t want to grow up. Now what?  I don\u2019t know that I can spend the next 20 or so years not being an engineer. I know I\u2019ll do everything I can to stay up in technology, but that is all I know.","c_root_id_A":"fxujzpx","c_root_id_B":"fxuk1yd","created_at_utc_A":1594576146,"created_at_utc_B":1594576179,"score_A":4,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"What about working part-time or contract\/consultant?  Set your own schedule and still work in the environment you want to work in.","human_ref_B":"Look into non profits.   Manny of my colleagues retired to work part time with a non profit. The pace is slower so it gives you a way to ease out of the stress instead of quitting it cold turkey. It gives you somewhere to go so you have a schedule, and they are very interested in your expertise.  We work with the United Way to find non profits that need \u201cskill based volunteering\u201d.  They can help you match your interests to the organizations.  Try a few out before you commit.  Note that our united way is very professional. Yours may not be.  The city sometimes has volunteer coordinators as well.   There are over 100 non profits in my town so lots of different options.  My dad was going bonkers when he retired. He\u2019d go to Walmart every morning for free coffee and come home with odds and ends. 2 weeks in he realized he had 10 bags from Walmart and no idea what crap was in them.  He found a historic church to work with. They needed a ton of maintenance done. They helped him round up a crew of underemployed folks, and he is the foreman. The church covers materials and an hourly wage for his \u201cstaff\u201d.  So far they have refinished the pews, pulled and painted the shutters, and resealed the windows.  He likes being helpful and in charge. The renovation work scratches that itch for him.  I work with the food bank to help them with their IT, websites and software. I\u2019m not retired yet, but it\u2019s a nice low stress way to help in the community.  Also look at joining boards. So much of engineering budgeting, schedules, mentoring and risk analysis happens in the board room too. All those non profits need board members too. The United Way can again help you find places needing board members too YMMV.  Boards are a great place to meet folks in the community and expand your impact.  I spend 2-3 hours a month on my board position.  Good luck. The transition can be scary, but is totally worth it.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":33.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"hpwl9u","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Starting to think about retirement after working as an engineer since 1984. What are the long term expectations? What has been the experience of those who have retired and have active lives?  General situation: I love my job, I like the current company I work for. My job is incredibly challenging, I\u2019m on my toes all day long, solving problems, answering questions and overall see the project grow and evolve. I just love it! I have many different hobbies and outside interests, I\u2019m an artist, a photographer, love to hike and bike and I live in Florida with great outdoors all year long. I have a very balanced life.    This is the now: My job is very stressful, stress that I impose, but stressful. I love the chaos of everyday solving problems (we\u2019re building a systems, it is not in steady state). I love being around people like me (geeks and nerds with Sci-fi decorated offices). I love working with young people, most in my team are young enough to be my children; the interactions are funny as hell. And I love their point of view! I\u2019m 62, and I\u2019m starting to get tired. I don\u2019t feel my brain is as fast as it used to be. I know I need to go, I just don\u2019t know how, when, why and to do what?  My older sisters, also engineers, tell me I have to have a plan. They are all retired, happy, and with things to do. But somehow, they suddenly got \u201cold\u201d. I don\u2019t want to get old. I definitely don\u2019t want to grow up. Now what?  I don\u2019t know that I can spend the next 20 or so years not being an engineer. I know I\u2019ll do everything I can to stay up in technology, but that is all I know.","c_root_id_A":"fxuvoo2","c_root_id_B":"fxufp5s","created_at_utc_A":1594582322,"created_at_utc_B":1594573968,"score_A":9,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"You\u2019re a more dedicated engineer than I am! I just hit 20 years in the biz and I\u2019m over it. Product design engineering has become the same old thing, over and over again. I\u2019m finishing out my four years at my current job then I\u2019m done. Not sure what career 2.0 is gonna be but my #1 requirement is that it\u2019s part time and fully remote. I\u2019ve done my time in the pressure cooker and that is over for me.","human_ref_B":"You can do summer programs with local middle\/high schools doing something like teaching them to do robotics with arduinos, tinkering with circuits, 3D modeling and printing out the results, whatever you're comfortable doing.  You can also do home engineering projects.  I had plans to build an aquarium with a self-regulating pH loop, automated feeding, etc. I decided it sounded too much like work, but I'd still like to do it if I had an engineering itch to scratch.    Building a smart house system is another fun one if you're into technology.  Get a couple cameras, control them with microprocessors and pull the feed into a drive that you connect with your router.  You can also do fun things like put a bunch of movies on there that anyone connected to your wifi can access at your house.  I don't know how good smart house ecosystems are now, but I wanted to make some little simple app that could control everything in my house, like the thermostat.  That's another one that started sounding too much like work since I spend most of my day programming already.  Home brewing is another engineering-adjacent project if you drink.  There are a ton of ways to apply engineering skills outside of a work context.  Personally, I think your other hobbies are what will really keep you young for as long as possible!  A big source of brain aging is poor oxygen circulation, which should be mitigated by your cardio activities.  I would suggest working some cardio in *every day*.  I live next door to you, and 'round these parts (and this time of year) swimming is an awesome option for cardio.  Easier on your joints, too.  Best of luck, I know aging sucks.  I can already tell it isn't as effortless for me to devour information as it was a decade ago.  Some part of a solution has to be accepting what mitigation can't accomplish.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8354.0,"score_ratio":1.125}
{"post_id":"hpwl9u","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Starting to think about retirement after working as an engineer since 1984. What are the long term expectations? What has been the experience of those who have retired and have active lives?  General situation: I love my job, I like the current company I work for. My job is incredibly challenging, I\u2019m on my toes all day long, solving problems, answering questions and overall see the project grow and evolve. I just love it! I have many different hobbies and outside interests, I\u2019m an artist, a photographer, love to hike and bike and I live in Florida with great outdoors all year long. I have a very balanced life.    This is the now: My job is very stressful, stress that I impose, but stressful. I love the chaos of everyday solving problems (we\u2019re building a systems, it is not in steady state). I love being around people like me (geeks and nerds with Sci-fi decorated offices). I love working with young people, most in my team are young enough to be my children; the interactions are funny as hell. And I love their point of view! I\u2019m 62, and I\u2019m starting to get tired. I don\u2019t feel my brain is as fast as it used to be. I know I need to go, I just don\u2019t know how, when, why and to do what?  My older sisters, also engineers, tell me I have to have a plan. They are all retired, happy, and with things to do. But somehow, they suddenly got \u201cold\u201d. I don\u2019t want to get old. I definitely don\u2019t want to grow up. Now what?  I don\u2019t know that I can spend the next 20 or so years not being an engineer. I know I\u2019ll do everything I can to stay up in technology, but that is all I know.","c_root_id_A":"fxuvoo2","c_root_id_B":"fxun41v","created_at_utc_A":1594582322,"created_at_utc_B":1594577788,"score_A":9,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"You\u2019re a more dedicated engineer than I am! I just hit 20 years in the biz and I\u2019m over it. Product design engineering has become the same old thing, over and over again. I\u2019m finishing out my four years at my current job then I\u2019m done. Not sure what career 2.0 is gonna be but my #1 requirement is that it\u2019s part time and fully remote. I\u2019ve done my time in the pressure cooker and that is over for me.","human_ref_B":"A Buddy of mine retired from being an engineer, and now enjoys a very active lifestyle biking and being a full time paramedic.   Emergency medicine is (in my mind) very similar a lot of times to engineering. You are given a machine (a human) that is failing to function properly. Using your knowledge of the tools and machine, you need to correct any major issues as best you can in order to avoid a catastrophic failure (death) before the maintenance crew (ER) can get their hands on them and perform   a long term fix.  It is quite exhilarating.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4534.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"hpwl9u","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Starting to think about retirement after working as an engineer since 1984. What are the long term expectations? What has been the experience of those who have retired and have active lives?  General situation: I love my job, I like the current company I work for. My job is incredibly challenging, I\u2019m on my toes all day long, solving problems, answering questions and overall see the project grow and evolve. I just love it! I have many different hobbies and outside interests, I\u2019m an artist, a photographer, love to hike and bike and I live in Florida with great outdoors all year long. I have a very balanced life.    This is the now: My job is very stressful, stress that I impose, but stressful. I love the chaos of everyday solving problems (we\u2019re building a systems, it is not in steady state). I love being around people like me (geeks and nerds with Sci-fi decorated offices). I love working with young people, most in my team are young enough to be my children; the interactions are funny as hell. And I love their point of view! I\u2019m 62, and I\u2019m starting to get tired. I don\u2019t feel my brain is as fast as it used to be. I know I need to go, I just don\u2019t know how, when, why and to do what?  My older sisters, also engineers, tell me I have to have a plan. They are all retired, happy, and with things to do. But somehow, they suddenly got \u201cold\u201d. I don\u2019t want to get old. I definitely don\u2019t want to grow up. Now what?  I don\u2019t know that I can spend the next 20 or so years not being an engineer. I know I\u2019ll do everything I can to stay up in technology, but that is all I know.","c_root_id_A":"fxuvoo2","c_root_id_B":"fxujzpx","created_at_utc_A":1594582322,"created_at_utc_B":1594576146,"score_A":9,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"You\u2019re a more dedicated engineer than I am! I just hit 20 years in the biz and I\u2019m over it. Product design engineering has become the same old thing, over and over again. I\u2019m finishing out my four years at my current job then I\u2019m done. Not sure what career 2.0 is gonna be but my #1 requirement is that it\u2019s part time and fully remote. I\u2019ve done my time in the pressure cooker and that is over for me.","human_ref_B":"What about working part-time or contract\/consultant?  Set your own schedule and still work in the environment you want to work in.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6176.0,"score_ratio":2.25}
{"post_id":"hpwl9u","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Starting to think about retirement after working as an engineer since 1984. What are the long term expectations? What has been the experience of those who have retired and have active lives?  General situation: I love my job, I like the current company I work for. My job is incredibly challenging, I\u2019m on my toes all day long, solving problems, answering questions and overall see the project grow and evolve. I just love it! I have many different hobbies and outside interests, I\u2019m an artist, a photographer, love to hike and bike and I live in Florida with great outdoors all year long. I have a very balanced life.    This is the now: My job is very stressful, stress that I impose, but stressful. I love the chaos of everyday solving problems (we\u2019re building a systems, it is not in steady state). I love being around people like me (geeks and nerds with Sci-fi decorated offices). I love working with young people, most in my team are young enough to be my children; the interactions are funny as hell. And I love their point of view! I\u2019m 62, and I\u2019m starting to get tired. I don\u2019t feel my brain is as fast as it used to be. I know I need to go, I just don\u2019t know how, when, why and to do what?  My older sisters, also engineers, tell me I have to have a plan. They are all retired, happy, and with things to do. But somehow, they suddenly got \u201cold\u201d. I don\u2019t want to get old. I definitely don\u2019t want to grow up. Now what?  I don\u2019t know that I can spend the next 20 or so years not being an engineer. I know I\u2019ll do everything I can to stay up in technology, but that is all I know.","c_root_id_A":"fxuvoo2","c_root_id_B":"fxuk7yl","created_at_utc_A":1594582322,"created_at_utc_B":1594576265,"score_A":9,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"You\u2019re a more dedicated engineer than I am! I just hit 20 years in the biz and I\u2019m over it. Product design engineering has become the same old thing, over and over again. I\u2019m finishing out my four years at my current job then I\u2019m done. Not sure what career 2.0 is gonna be but my #1 requirement is that it\u2019s part time and fully remote. I\u2019ve done my time in the pressure cooker and that is over for me.","human_ref_B":"You could try consulting. Your current company may not want the sudden brain drain that goes along with a losing an experienced engineer of 36 years. Keep some side income, but do it mostly on your schedule.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6057.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"hpwl9u","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Starting to think about retirement after working as an engineer since 1984. What are the long term expectations? What has been the experience of those who have retired and have active lives?  General situation: I love my job, I like the current company I work for. My job is incredibly challenging, I\u2019m on my toes all day long, solving problems, answering questions and overall see the project grow and evolve. I just love it! I have many different hobbies and outside interests, I\u2019m an artist, a photographer, love to hike and bike and I live in Florida with great outdoors all year long. I have a very balanced life.    This is the now: My job is very stressful, stress that I impose, but stressful. I love the chaos of everyday solving problems (we\u2019re building a systems, it is not in steady state). I love being around people like me (geeks and nerds with Sci-fi decorated offices). I love working with young people, most in my team are young enough to be my children; the interactions are funny as hell. And I love their point of view! I\u2019m 62, and I\u2019m starting to get tired. I don\u2019t feel my brain is as fast as it used to be. I know I need to go, I just don\u2019t know how, when, why and to do what?  My older sisters, also engineers, tell me I have to have a plan. They are all retired, happy, and with things to do. But somehow, they suddenly got \u201cold\u201d. I don\u2019t want to get old. I definitely don\u2019t want to grow up. Now what?  I don\u2019t know that I can spend the next 20 or so years not being an engineer. I know I\u2019ll do everything I can to stay up in technology, but that is all I know.","c_root_id_A":"fxunnb3","c_root_id_B":"fxuvoo2","created_at_utc_A":1594578072,"created_at_utc_B":1594582322,"score_A":3,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"If you dont mind to answer, which field of engineering you do, mechanical, electrical or chemical? Thanks and wish you happy work life and retirement.","human_ref_B":"You\u2019re a more dedicated engineer than I am! I just hit 20 years in the biz and I\u2019m over it. Product design engineering has become the same old thing, over and over again. I\u2019m finishing out my four years at my current job then I\u2019m done. Not sure what career 2.0 is gonna be but my #1 requirement is that it\u2019s part time and fully remote. I\u2019ve done my time in the pressure cooker and that is over for me.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4250.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"hpwl9u","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Starting to think about retirement after working as an engineer since 1984. What are the long term expectations? What has been the experience of those who have retired and have active lives?  General situation: I love my job, I like the current company I work for. My job is incredibly challenging, I\u2019m on my toes all day long, solving problems, answering questions and overall see the project grow and evolve. I just love it! I have many different hobbies and outside interests, I\u2019m an artist, a photographer, love to hike and bike and I live in Florida with great outdoors all year long. I have a very balanced life.    This is the now: My job is very stressful, stress that I impose, but stressful. I love the chaos of everyday solving problems (we\u2019re building a systems, it is not in steady state). I love being around people like me (geeks and nerds with Sci-fi decorated offices). I love working with young people, most in my team are young enough to be my children; the interactions are funny as hell. And I love their point of view! I\u2019m 62, and I\u2019m starting to get tired. I don\u2019t feel my brain is as fast as it used to be. I know I need to go, I just don\u2019t know how, when, why and to do what?  My older sisters, also engineers, tell me I have to have a plan. They are all retired, happy, and with things to do. But somehow, they suddenly got \u201cold\u201d. I don\u2019t want to get old. I definitely don\u2019t want to grow up. Now what?  I don\u2019t know that I can spend the next 20 or so years not being an engineer. I know I\u2019ll do everything I can to stay up in technology, but that is all I know.","c_root_id_A":"fxun6e3","c_root_id_B":"fxuvoo2","created_at_utc_A":1594577823,"created_at_utc_B":1594582322,"score_A":4,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"I'm about 30 and I fear the same thing you do ~when~ if I get to that point. I love engineering and problem solving, and I can't imagine myself not working (once I find a job, that is). I always imagined that if it got to that point, I'd do one or more of the following:  - Work reduced hours (sounds like that might be on your mind as well) - Teach, either engineering, math, or physics, esp. at a local community college - Go back to school! Take some classes at a community college. Things like astronomy and physics, fun or different kinds of math, etc. - Pick up a hobby that I can afford. I want to build telescopes for low-income schools and offer to teach community science and astronomy classes to get young, disadvantaged youth interested in science and engineering. - Learn to fly? Idk might be too late for that. - Grow my own garden - The list goes on.  I suppose the question you need to ask yourself is \"what drives me?\", followed by \"How can I continue to use my skills and interests?\", and possibly even \"Can I still continue to give to the community?\". I suspect the sense of service and reward from it will keep you happy for a long time, work be damned.","human_ref_B":"You\u2019re a more dedicated engineer than I am! I just hit 20 years in the biz and I\u2019m over it. Product design engineering has become the same old thing, over and over again. I\u2019m finishing out my four years at my current job then I\u2019m done. Not sure what career 2.0 is gonna be but my #1 requirement is that it\u2019s part time and fully remote. I\u2019ve done my time in the pressure cooker and that is over for me.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4499.0,"score_ratio":2.25}
{"post_id":"hpwl9u","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Starting to think about retirement after working as an engineer since 1984. What are the long term expectations? What has been the experience of those who have retired and have active lives?  General situation: I love my job, I like the current company I work for. My job is incredibly challenging, I\u2019m on my toes all day long, solving problems, answering questions and overall see the project grow and evolve. I just love it! I have many different hobbies and outside interests, I\u2019m an artist, a photographer, love to hike and bike and I live in Florida with great outdoors all year long. I have a very balanced life.    This is the now: My job is very stressful, stress that I impose, but stressful. I love the chaos of everyday solving problems (we\u2019re building a systems, it is not in steady state). I love being around people like me (geeks and nerds with Sci-fi decorated offices). I love working with young people, most in my team are young enough to be my children; the interactions are funny as hell. And I love their point of view! I\u2019m 62, and I\u2019m starting to get tired. I don\u2019t feel my brain is as fast as it used to be. I know I need to go, I just don\u2019t know how, when, why and to do what?  My older sisters, also engineers, tell me I have to have a plan. They are all retired, happy, and with things to do. But somehow, they suddenly got \u201cold\u201d. I don\u2019t want to get old. I definitely don\u2019t want to grow up. Now what?  I don\u2019t know that I can spend the next 20 or so years not being an engineer. I know I\u2019ll do everything I can to stay up in technology, but that is all I know.","c_root_id_A":"fxuokww","c_root_id_B":"fxuvoo2","created_at_utc_A":1594578558,"created_at_utc_B":1594582322,"score_A":3,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"You don't need to retire until you feel comfortable doing so. I have a colleague in his late seventies and we've been saying for the past 10+ years that he's going to retire soon but he has no intention of doing so - he loves his work too much!  If you wanted room to explore more of your life, you could consider going part-time or acting as a consultant to your company instead of an employee. They will likely to be open to the possibilities as they won't want to just suddenly lose you and your expertise.  My parents have both retired at similar ages to you and they love having the time to pursue personal projects or go on impromptu holidays. Going part time could give you time to discover what your interests might be. Woodworking, mechanics or other home projects might be a good thing to look into if you still want to be designing and problem-solving.","human_ref_B":"You\u2019re a more dedicated engineer than I am! I just hit 20 years in the biz and I\u2019m over it. Product design engineering has become the same old thing, over and over again. I\u2019m finishing out my four years at my current job then I\u2019m done. Not sure what career 2.0 is gonna be but my #1 requirement is that it\u2019s part time and fully remote. I\u2019ve done my time in the pressure cooker and that is over for me.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3764.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"hpwl9u","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Starting to think about retirement after working as an engineer since 1984. What are the long term expectations? What has been the experience of those who have retired and have active lives?  General situation: I love my job, I like the current company I work for. My job is incredibly challenging, I\u2019m on my toes all day long, solving problems, answering questions and overall see the project grow and evolve. I just love it! I have many different hobbies and outside interests, I\u2019m an artist, a photographer, love to hike and bike and I live in Florida with great outdoors all year long. I have a very balanced life.    This is the now: My job is very stressful, stress that I impose, but stressful. I love the chaos of everyday solving problems (we\u2019re building a systems, it is not in steady state). I love being around people like me (geeks and nerds with Sci-fi decorated offices). I love working with young people, most in my team are young enough to be my children; the interactions are funny as hell. And I love their point of view! I\u2019m 62, and I\u2019m starting to get tired. I don\u2019t feel my brain is as fast as it used to be. I know I need to go, I just don\u2019t know how, when, why and to do what?  My older sisters, also engineers, tell me I have to have a plan. They are all retired, happy, and with things to do. But somehow, they suddenly got \u201cold\u201d. I don\u2019t want to get old. I definitely don\u2019t want to grow up. Now what?  I don\u2019t know that I can spend the next 20 or so years not being an engineer. I know I\u2019ll do everything I can to stay up in technology, but that is all I know.","c_root_id_A":"fxuoz1d","c_root_id_B":"fxuvoo2","created_at_utc_A":1594578762,"created_at_utc_B":1594582322,"score_A":3,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Maybe ask about taking a sabbatical. Use that time to think about what *you * like to do. Maybe you can drop to part time. I\u2019m working hard to retire at 53 when my kid goes to college. I\u2019ll still work but I\u2019m looking forward to doing it on my own terms.","human_ref_B":"You\u2019re a more dedicated engineer than I am! I just hit 20 years in the biz and I\u2019m over it. Product design engineering has become the same old thing, over and over again. I\u2019m finishing out my four years at my current job then I\u2019m done. Not sure what career 2.0 is gonna be but my #1 requirement is that it\u2019s part time and fully remote. I\u2019ve done my time in the pressure cooker and that is over for me.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3560.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"hpwl9u","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Starting to think about retirement after working as an engineer since 1984. What are the long term expectations? What has been the experience of those who have retired and have active lives?  General situation: I love my job, I like the current company I work for. My job is incredibly challenging, I\u2019m on my toes all day long, solving problems, answering questions and overall see the project grow and evolve. I just love it! I have many different hobbies and outside interests, I\u2019m an artist, a photographer, love to hike and bike and I live in Florida with great outdoors all year long. I have a very balanced life.    This is the now: My job is very stressful, stress that I impose, but stressful. I love the chaos of everyday solving problems (we\u2019re building a systems, it is not in steady state). I love being around people like me (geeks and nerds with Sci-fi decorated offices). I love working with young people, most in my team are young enough to be my children; the interactions are funny as hell. And I love their point of view! I\u2019m 62, and I\u2019m starting to get tired. I don\u2019t feel my brain is as fast as it used to be. I know I need to go, I just don\u2019t know how, when, why and to do what?  My older sisters, also engineers, tell me I have to have a plan. They are all retired, happy, and with things to do. But somehow, they suddenly got \u201cold\u201d. I don\u2019t want to get old. I definitely don\u2019t want to grow up. Now what?  I don\u2019t know that I can spend the next 20 or so years not being an engineer. I know I\u2019ll do everything I can to stay up in technology, but that is all I know.","c_root_id_A":"fxun41v","c_root_id_B":"fxujzpx","created_at_utc_A":1594577788,"created_at_utc_B":1594576146,"score_A":6,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"A Buddy of mine retired from being an engineer, and now enjoys a very active lifestyle biking and being a full time paramedic.   Emergency medicine is (in my mind) very similar a lot of times to engineering. You are given a machine (a human) that is failing to function properly. Using your knowledge of the tools and machine, you need to correct any major issues as best you can in order to avoid a catastrophic failure (death) before the maintenance crew (ER) can get their hands on them and perform   a long term fix.  It is quite exhilarating.","human_ref_B":"What about working part-time or contract\/consultant?  Set your own schedule and still work in the environment you want to work in.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1642.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"hpwl9u","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Starting to think about retirement after working as an engineer since 1984. What are the long term expectations? What has been the experience of those who have retired and have active lives?  General situation: I love my job, I like the current company I work for. My job is incredibly challenging, I\u2019m on my toes all day long, solving problems, answering questions and overall see the project grow and evolve. I just love it! I have many different hobbies and outside interests, I\u2019m an artist, a photographer, love to hike and bike and I live in Florida with great outdoors all year long. I have a very balanced life.    This is the now: My job is very stressful, stress that I impose, but stressful. I love the chaos of everyday solving problems (we\u2019re building a systems, it is not in steady state). I love being around people like me (geeks and nerds with Sci-fi decorated offices). I love working with young people, most in my team are young enough to be my children; the interactions are funny as hell. And I love their point of view! I\u2019m 62, and I\u2019m starting to get tired. I don\u2019t feel my brain is as fast as it used to be. I know I need to go, I just don\u2019t know how, when, why and to do what?  My older sisters, also engineers, tell me I have to have a plan. They are all retired, happy, and with things to do. But somehow, they suddenly got \u201cold\u201d. I don\u2019t want to get old. I definitely don\u2019t want to grow up. Now what?  I don\u2019t know that I can spend the next 20 or so years not being an engineer. I know I\u2019ll do everything I can to stay up in technology, but that is all I know.","c_root_id_A":"fxun41v","c_root_id_B":"fxuk7yl","created_at_utc_A":1594577788,"created_at_utc_B":1594576265,"score_A":6,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"A Buddy of mine retired from being an engineer, and now enjoys a very active lifestyle biking and being a full time paramedic.   Emergency medicine is (in my mind) very similar a lot of times to engineering. You are given a machine (a human) that is failing to function properly. Using your knowledge of the tools and machine, you need to correct any major issues as best you can in order to avoid a catastrophic failure (death) before the maintenance crew (ER) can get their hands on them and perform   a long term fix.  It is quite exhilarating.","human_ref_B":"You could try consulting. Your current company may not want the sudden brain drain that goes along with a losing an experienced engineer of 36 years. Keep some side income, but do it mostly on your schedule.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1523.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"hpwl9u","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Starting to think about retirement after working as an engineer since 1984. What are the long term expectations? What has been the experience of those who have retired and have active lives?  General situation: I love my job, I like the current company I work for. My job is incredibly challenging, I\u2019m on my toes all day long, solving problems, answering questions and overall see the project grow and evolve. I just love it! I have many different hobbies and outside interests, I\u2019m an artist, a photographer, love to hike and bike and I live in Florida with great outdoors all year long. I have a very balanced life.    This is the now: My job is very stressful, stress that I impose, but stressful. I love the chaos of everyday solving problems (we\u2019re building a systems, it is not in steady state). I love being around people like me (geeks and nerds with Sci-fi decorated offices). I love working with young people, most in my team are young enough to be my children; the interactions are funny as hell. And I love their point of view! I\u2019m 62, and I\u2019m starting to get tired. I don\u2019t feel my brain is as fast as it used to be. I know I need to go, I just don\u2019t know how, when, why and to do what?  My older sisters, also engineers, tell me I have to have a plan. They are all retired, happy, and with things to do. But somehow, they suddenly got \u201cold\u201d. I don\u2019t want to get old. I definitely don\u2019t want to grow up. Now what?  I don\u2019t know that I can spend the next 20 or so years not being an engineer. I know I\u2019ll do everything I can to stay up in technology, but that is all I know.","c_root_id_A":"fxujzpx","c_root_id_B":"fxvagz7","created_at_utc_A":1594576146,"created_at_utc_B":1594590345,"score_A":4,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"What about working part-time or contract\/consultant?  Set your own schedule and still work in the environment you want to work in.","human_ref_B":"I think an engineer true to the heart, like you describe yourself, has always worked on a project or a goal. Albeit for someone else.  You NEED to have a goal or project. I'm not retired myself but have seen and still talk to many retirees.   My grandfather kept up with a lot of home projects and became a coach for golf and tai chi.  I often think that when I retire I'd start my own hobby building or tinkering. Like mini robots or something.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":14199.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"hpwl9u","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Starting to think about retirement after working as an engineer since 1984. What are the long term expectations? What has been the experience of those who have retired and have active lives?  General situation: I love my job, I like the current company I work for. My job is incredibly challenging, I\u2019m on my toes all day long, solving problems, answering questions and overall see the project grow and evolve. I just love it! I have many different hobbies and outside interests, I\u2019m an artist, a photographer, love to hike and bike and I live in Florida with great outdoors all year long. I have a very balanced life.    This is the now: My job is very stressful, stress that I impose, but stressful. I love the chaos of everyday solving problems (we\u2019re building a systems, it is not in steady state). I love being around people like me (geeks and nerds with Sci-fi decorated offices). I love working with young people, most in my team are young enough to be my children; the interactions are funny as hell. And I love their point of view! I\u2019m 62, and I\u2019m starting to get tired. I don\u2019t feel my brain is as fast as it used to be. I know I need to go, I just don\u2019t know how, when, why and to do what?  My older sisters, also engineers, tell me I have to have a plan. They are all retired, happy, and with things to do. But somehow, they suddenly got \u201cold\u201d. I don\u2019t want to get old. I definitely don\u2019t want to grow up. Now what?  I don\u2019t know that I can spend the next 20 or so years not being an engineer. I know I\u2019ll do everything I can to stay up in technology, but that is all I know.","c_root_id_A":"fxv59f0","c_root_id_B":"fxvagz7","created_at_utc_A":1594587488,"created_at_utc_B":1594590345,"score_A":5,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"This isn't strictly engineering related, so apologies in advance.   You're at a stage of your life where you need to be planning for your future, on both a personal and professional basis.   Don't neglect the personal aspects. You're of sound body and mind - and now is the time to make decisions about what you want to happen in the future when that changes.   Talk to a lawyer. Get a will. Talk about setting up assets to potentially avoid probate. Want to stay at home? Go to a nursing home? How will it be paid for? Are you DNR? Need long term care insurance? Are there a bunch of loose ends if you get hit by a bus tomorrow?  Figure that stuff out now, and write it down. It'll save your from something you don't want, and will save your family a whole lot of grief.   (I'm writing this as I'm realizing that my retirement's going to get pushed out by a few years, as I'm going to help with my Aunt, who had a great income, lived like a rockstar, spent every dime she had, and now needs assisted living. Don't be her.)","human_ref_B":"I think an engineer true to the heart, like you describe yourself, has always worked on a project or a goal. Albeit for someone else.  You NEED to have a goal or project. I'm not retired myself but have seen and still talk to many retirees.   My grandfather kept up with a lot of home projects and became a coach for golf and tai chi.  I often think that when I retire I'd start my own hobby building or tinkering. Like mini robots or something.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2857.0,"score_ratio":1.2}
{"post_id":"hpwl9u","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Starting to think about retirement after working as an engineer since 1984. What are the long term expectations? What has been the experience of those who have retired and have active lives?  General situation: I love my job, I like the current company I work for. My job is incredibly challenging, I\u2019m on my toes all day long, solving problems, answering questions and overall see the project grow and evolve. I just love it! I have many different hobbies and outside interests, I\u2019m an artist, a photographer, love to hike and bike and I live in Florida with great outdoors all year long. I have a very balanced life.    This is the now: My job is very stressful, stress that I impose, but stressful. I love the chaos of everyday solving problems (we\u2019re building a systems, it is not in steady state). I love being around people like me (geeks and nerds with Sci-fi decorated offices). I love working with young people, most in my team are young enough to be my children; the interactions are funny as hell. And I love their point of view! I\u2019m 62, and I\u2019m starting to get tired. I don\u2019t feel my brain is as fast as it used to be. I know I need to go, I just don\u2019t know how, when, why and to do what?  My older sisters, also engineers, tell me I have to have a plan. They are all retired, happy, and with things to do. But somehow, they suddenly got \u201cold\u201d. I don\u2019t want to get old. I definitely don\u2019t want to grow up. Now what?  I don\u2019t know that I can spend the next 20 or so years not being an engineer. I know I\u2019ll do everything I can to stay up in technology, but that is all I know.","c_root_id_A":"fxvagz7","c_root_id_B":"fxuk7yl","created_at_utc_A":1594590345,"created_at_utc_B":1594576265,"score_A":6,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I think an engineer true to the heart, like you describe yourself, has always worked on a project or a goal. Albeit for someone else.  You NEED to have a goal or project. I'm not retired myself but have seen and still talk to many retirees.   My grandfather kept up with a lot of home projects and became a coach for golf and tai chi.  I often think that when I retire I'd start my own hobby building or tinkering. Like mini robots or something.","human_ref_B":"You could try consulting. Your current company may not want the sudden brain drain that goes along with a losing an experienced engineer of 36 years. Keep some side income, but do it mostly on your schedule.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":14080.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"hpwl9u","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Starting to think about retirement after working as an engineer since 1984. What are the long term expectations? What has been the experience of those who have retired and have active lives?  General situation: I love my job, I like the current company I work for. My job is incredibly challenging, I\u2019m on my toes all day long, solving problems, answering questions and overall see the project grow and evolve. I just love it! I have many different hobbies and outside interests, I\u2019m an artist, a photographer, love to hike and bike and I live in Florida with great outdoors all year long. I have a very balanced life.    This is the now: My job is very stressful, stress that I impose, but stressful. I love the chaos of everyday solving problems (we\u2019re building a systems, it is not in steady state). I love being around people like me (geeks and nerds with Sci-fi decorated offices). I love working with young people, most in my team are young enough to be my children; the interactions are funny as hell. And I love their point of view! I\u2019m 62, and I\u2019m starting to get tired. I don\u2019t feel my brain is as fast as it used to be. I know I need to go, I just don\u2019t know how, when, why and to do what?  My older sisters, also engineers, tell me I have to have a plan. They are all retired, happy, and with things to do. But somehow, they suddenly got \u201cold\u201d. I don\u2019t want to get old. I definitely don\u2019t want to grow up. Now what?  I don\u2019t know that I can spend the next 20 or so years not being an engineer. I know I\u2019ll do everything I can to stay up in technology, but that is all I know.","c_root_id_A":"fxvagz7","c_root_id_B":"fxunnb3","created_at_utc_A":1594590345,"created_at_utc_B":1594578072,"score_A":6,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I think an engineer true to the heart, like you describe yourself, has always worked on a project or a goal. Albeit for someone else.  You NEED to have a goal or project. I'm not retired myself but have seen and still talk to many retirees.   My grandfather kept up with a lot of home projects and became a coach for golf and tai chi.  I often think that when I retire I'd start my own hobby building or tinkering. Like mini robots or something.","human_ref_B":"If you dont mind to answer, which field of engineering you do, mechanical, electrical or chemical? Thanks and wish you happy work life and retirement.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":12273.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"hpwl9u","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Starting to think about retirement after working as an engineer since 1984. What are the long term expectations? What has been the experience of those who have retired and have active lives?  General situation: I love my job, I like the current company I work for. My job is incredibly challenging, I\u2019m on my toes all day long, solving problems, answering questions and overall see the project grow and evolve. I just love it! I have many different hobbies and outside interests, I\u2019m an artist, a photographer, love to hike and bike and I live in Florida with great outdoors all year long. I have a very balanced life.    This is the now: My job is very stressful, stress that I impose, but stressful. I love the chaos of everyday solving problems (we\u2019re building a systems, it is not in steady state). I love being around people like me (geeks and nerds with Sci-fi decorated offices). I love working with young people, most in my team are young enough to be my children; the interactions are funny as hell. And I love their point of view! I\u2019m 62, and I\u2019m starting to get tired. I don\u2019t feel my brain is as fast as it used to be. I know I need to go, I just don\u2019t know how, when, why and to do what?  My older sisters, also engineers, tell me I have to have a plan. They are all retired, happy, and with things to do. But somehow, they suddenly got \u201cold\u201d. I don\u2019t want to get old. I definitely don\u2019t want to grow up. Now what?  I don\u2019t know that I can spend the next 20 or so years not being an engineer. I know I\u2019ll do everything I can to stay up in technology, but that is all I know.","c_root_id_A":"fxvagz7","c_root_id_B":"fxun6e3","created_at_utc_A":1594590345,"created_at_utc_B":1594577823,"score_A":6,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I think an engineer true to the heart, like you describe yourself, has always worked on a project or a goal. Albeit for someone else.  You NEED to have a goal or project. I'm not retired myself but have seen and still talk to many retirees.   My grandfather kept up with a lot of home projects and became a coach for golf and tai chi.  I often think that when I retire I'd start my own hobby building or tinkering. Like mini robots or something.","human_ref_B":"I'm about 30 and I fear the same thing you do ~when~ if I get to that point. I love engineering and problem solving, and I can't imagine myself not working (once I find a job, that is). I always imagined that if it got to that point, I'd do one or more of the following:  - Work reduced hours (sounds like that might be on your mind as well) - Teach, either engineering, math, or physics, esp. at a local community college - Go back to school! Take some classes at a community college. Things like astronomy and physics, fun or different kinds of math, etc. - Pick up a hobby that I can afford. I want to build telescopes for low-income schools and offer to teach community science and astronomy classes to get young, disadvantaged youth interested in science and engineering. - Learn to fly? Idk might be too late for that. - Grow my own garden - The list goes on.  I suppose the question you need to ask yourself is \"what drives me?\", followed by \"How can I continue to use my skills and interests?\", and possibly even \"Can I still continue to give to the community?\". I suspect the sense of service and reward from it will keep you happy for a long time, work be damned.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":12522.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"hpwl9u","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Starting to think about retirement after working as an engineer since 1984. What are the long term expectations? What has been the experience of those who have retired and have active lives?  General situation: I love my job, I like the current company I work for. My job is incredibly challenging, I\u2019m on my toes all day long, solving problems, answering questions and overall see the project grow and evolve. I just love it! I have many different hobbies and outside interests, I\u2019m an artist, a photographer, love to hike and bike and I live in Florida with great outdoors all year long. I have a very balanced life.    This is the now: My job is very stressful, stress that I impose, but stressful. I love the chaos of everyday solving problems (we\u2019re building a systems, it is not in steady state). I love being around people like me (geeks and nerds with Sci-fi decorated offices). I love working with young people, most in my team are young enough to be my children; the interactions are funny as hell. And I love their point of view! I\u2019m 62, and I\u2019m starting to get tired. I don\u2019t feel my brain is as fast as it used to be. I know I need to go, I just don\u2019t know how, when, why and to do what?  My older sisters, also engineers, tell me I have to have a plan. They are all retired, happy, and with things to do. But somehow, they suddenly got \u201cold\u201d. I don\u2019t want to get old. I definitely don\u2019t want to grow up. Now what?  I don\u2019t know that I can spend the next 20 or so years not being an engineer. I know I\u2019ll do everything I can to stay up in technology, but that is all I know.","c_root_id_A":"fxuokww","c_root_id_B":"fxvagz7","created_at_utc_A":1594578558,"created_at_utc_B":1594590345,"score_A":3,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"You don't need to retire until you feel comfortable doing so. I have a colleague in his late seventies and we've been saying for the past 10+ years that he's going to retire soon but he has no intention of doing so - he loves his work too much!  If you wanted room to explore more of your life, you could consider going part-time or acting as a consultant to your company instead of an employee. They will likely to be open to the possibilities as they won't want to just suddenly lose you and your expertise.  My parents have both retired at similar ages to you and they love having the time to pursue personal projects or go on impromptu holidays. Going part time could give you time to discover what your interests might be. Woodworking, mechanics or other home projects might be a good thing to look into if you still want to be designing and problem-solving.","human_ref_B":"I think an engineer true to the heart, like you describe yourself, has always worked on a project or a goal. Albeit for someone else.  You NEED to have a goal or project. I'm not retired myself but have seen and still talk to many retirees.   My grandfather kept up with a lot of home projects and became a coach for golf and tai chi.  I often think that when I retire I'd start my own hobby building or tinkering. Like mini robots or something.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11787.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"hpwl9u","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Starting to think about retirement after working as an engineer since 1984. What are the long term expectations? What has been the experience of those who have retired and have active lives?  General situation: I love my job, I like the current company I work for. My job is incredibly challenging, I\u2019m on my toes all day long, solving problems, answering questions and overall see the project grow and evolve. I just love it! I have many different hobbies and outside interests, I\u2019m an artist, a photographer, love to hike and bike and I live in Florida with great outdoors all year long. I have a very balanced life.    This is the now: My job is very stressful, stress that I impose, but stressful. I love the chaos of everyday solving problems (we\u2019re building a systems, it is not in steady state). I love being around people like me (geeks and nerds with Sci-fi decorated offices). I love working with young people, most in my team are young enough to be my children; the interactions are funny as hell. And I love their point of view! I\u2019m 62, and I\u2019m starting to get tired. I don\u2019t feel my brain is as fast as it used to be. I know I need to go, I just don\u2019t know how, when, why and to do what?  My older sisters, also engineers, tell me I have to have a plan. They are all retired, happy, and with things to do. But somehow, they suddenly got \u201cold\u201d. I don\u2019t want to get old. I definitely don\u2019t want to grow up. Now what?  I don\u2019t know that I can spend the next 20 or so years not being an engineer. I know I\u2019ll do everything I can to stay up in technology, but that is all I know.","c_root_id_A":"fxuoz1d","c_root_id_B":"fxvagz7","created_at_utc_A":1594578762,"created_at_utc_B":1594590345,"score_A":3,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Maybe ask about taking a sabbatical. Use that time to think about what *you * like to do. Maybe you can drop to part time. I\u2019m working hard to retire at 53 when my kid goes to college. I\u2019ll still work but I\u2019m looking forward to doing it on my own terms.","human_ref_B":"I think an engineer true to the heart, like you describe yourself, has always worked on a project or a goal. Albeit for someone else.  You NEED to have a goal or project. I'm not retired myself but have seen and still talk to many retirees.   My grandfather kept up with a lot of home projects and became a coach for golf and tai chi.  I often think that when I retire I'd start my own hobby building or tinkering. Like mini robots or something.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11583.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"hpwl9u","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Starting to think about retirement after working as an engineer since 1984. What are the long term expectations? What has been the experience of those who have retired and have active lives?  General situation: I love my job, I like the current company I work for. My job is incredibly challenging, I\u2019m on my toes all day long, solving problems, answering questions and overall see the project grow and evolve. I just love it! I have many different hobbies and outside interests, I\u2019m an artist, a photographer, love to hike and bike and I live in Florida with great outdoors all year long. I have a very balanced life.    This is the now: My job is very stressful, stress that I impose, but stressful. I love the chaos of everyday solving problems (we\u2019re building a systems, it is not in steady state). I love being around people like me (geeks and nerds with Sci-fi decorated offices). I love working with young people, most in my team are young enough to be my children; the interactions are funny as hell. And I love their point of view! I\u2019m 62, and I\u2019m starting to get tired. I don\u2019t feel my brain is as fast as it used to be. I know I need to go, I just don\u2019t know how, when, why and to do what?  My older sisters, also engineers, tell me I have to have a plan. They are all retired, happy, and with things to do. But somehow, they suddenly got \u201cold\u201d. I don\u2019t want to get old. I definitely don\u2019t want to grow up. Now what?  I don\u2019t know that I can spend the next 20 or so years not being an engineer. I know I\u2019ll do everything I can to stay up in technology, but that is all I know.","c_root_id_A":"fxvagz7","c_root_id_B":"fxuvqez","created_at_utc_A":1594590345,"created_at_utc_B":1594582347,"score_A":6,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I think an engineer true to the heart, like you describe yourself, has always worked on a project or a goal. Albeit for someone else.  You NEED to have a goal or project. I'm not retired myself but have seen and still talk to many retirees.   My grandfather kept up with a lot of home projects and became a coach for golf and tai chi.  I often think that when I retire I'd start my own hobby building or tinkering. Like mini robots or something.","human_ref_B":"Try asking this in:  https:\/\/www.reddit.com\/r\/financialindependence\/  What about law?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7998.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"hpwl9u","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Starting to think about retirement after working as an engineer since 1984. What are the long term expectations? What has been the experience of those who have retired and have active lives?  General situation: I love my job, I like the current company I work for. My job is incredibly challenging, I\u2019m on my toes all day long, solving problems, answering questions and overall see the project grow and evolve. I just love it! I have many different hobbies and outside interests, I\u2019m an artist, a photographer, love to hike and bike and I live in Florida with great outdoors all year long. I have a very balanced life.    This is the now: My job is very stressful, stress that I impose, but stressful. I love the chaos of everyday solving problems (we\u2019re building a systems, it is not in steady state). I love being around people like me (geeks and nerds with Sci-fi decorated offices). I love working with young people, most in my team are young enough to be my children; the interactions are funny as hell. And I love their point of view! I\u2019m 62, and I\u2019m starting to get tired. I don\u2019t feel my brain is as fast as it used to be. I know I need to go, I just don\u2019t know how, when, why and to do what?  My older sisters, also engineers, tell me I have to have a plan. They are all retired, happy, and with things to do. But somehow, they suddenly got \u201cold\u201d. I don\u2019t want to get old. I definitely don\u2019t want to grow up. Now what?  I don\u2019t know that I can spend the next 20 or so years not being an engineer. I know I\u2019ll do everything I can to stay up in technology, but that is all I know.","c_root_id_A":"fxujzpx","c_root_id_B":"fxv59f0","created_at_utc_A":1594576146,"created_at_utc_B":1594587488,"score_A":4,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"What about working part-time or contract\/consultant?  Set your own schedule and still work in the environment you want to work in.","human_ref_B":"This isn't strictly engineering related, so apologies in advance.   You're at a stage of your life where you need to be planning for your future, on both a personal and professional basis.   Don't neglect the personal aspects. You're of sound body and mind - and now is the time to make decisions about what you want to happen in the future when that changes.   Talk to a lawyer. Get a will. Talk about setting up assets to potentially avoid probate. Want to stay at home? Go to a nursing home? How will it be paid for? Are you DNR? Need long term care insurance? Are there a bunch of loose ends if you get hit by a bus tomorrow?  Figure that stuff out now, and write it down. It'll save your from something you don't want, and will save your family a whole lot of grief.   (I'm writing this as I'm realizing that my retirement's going to get pushed out by a few years, as I'm going to help with my Aunt, who had a great income, lived like a rockstar, spent every dime she had, and now needs assisted living. Don't be her.)","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11342.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"hpwl9u","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Starting to think about retirement after working as an engineer since 1984. What are the long term expectations? What has been the experience of those who have retired and have active lives?  General situation: I love my job, I like the current company I work for. My job is incredibly challenging, I\u2019m on my toes all day long, solving problems, answering questions and overall see the project grow and evolve. I just love it! I have many different hobbies and outside interests, I\u2019m an artist, a photographer, love to hike and bike and I live in Florida with great outdoors all year long. I have a very balanced life.    This is the now: My job is very stressful, stress that I impose, but stressful. I love the chaos of everyday solving problems (we\u2019re building a systems, it is not in steady state). I love being around people like me (geeks and nerds with Sci-fi decorated offices). I love working with young people, most in my team are young enough to be my children; the interactions are funny as hell. And I love their point of view! I\u2019m 62, and I\u2019m starting to get tired. I don\u2019t feel my brain is as fast as it used to be. I know I need to go, I just don\u2019t know how, when, why and to do what?  My older sisters, also engineers, tell me I have to have a plan. They are all retired, happy, and with things to do. But somehow, they suddenly got \u201cold\u201d. I don\u2019t want to get old. I definitely don\u2019t want to grow up. Now what?  I don\u2019t know that I can spend the next 20 or so years not being an engineer. I know I\u2019ll do everything I can to stay up in technology, but that is all I know.","c_root_id_A":"fxuk7yl","c_root_id_B":"fxv59f0","created_at_utc_A":1594576265,"created_at_utc_B":1594587488,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"You could try consulting. Your current company may not want the sudden brain drain that goes along with a losing an experienced engineer of 36 years. Keep some side income, but do it mostly on your schedule.","human_ref_B":"This isn't strictly engineering related, so apologies in advance.   You're at a stage of your life where you need to be planning for your future, on both a personal and professional basis.   Don't neglect the personal aspects. You're of sound body and mind - and now is the time to make decisions about what you want to happen in the future when that changes.   Talk to a lawyer. Get a will. Talk about setting up assets to potentially avoid probate. Want to stay at home? Go to a nursing home? How will it be paid for? Are you DNR? Need long term care insurance? Are there a bunch of loose ends if you get hit by a bus tomorrow?  Figure that stuff out now, and write it down. It'll save your from something you don't want, and will save your family a whole lot of grief.   (I'm writing this as I'm realizing that my retirement's going to get pushed out by a few years, as I'm going to help with my Aunt, who had a great income, lived like a rockstar, spent every dime she had, and now needs assisted living. Don't be her.)","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11223.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"hpwl9u","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Starting to think about retirement after working as an engineer since 1984. What are the long term expectations? What has been the experience of those who have retired and have active lives?  General situation: I love my job, I like the current company I work for. My job is incredibly challenging, I\u2019m on my toes all day long, solving problems, answering questions and overall see the project grow and evolve. I just love it! I have many different hobbies and outside interests, I\u2019m an artist, a photographer, love to hike and bike and I live in Florida with great outdoors all year long. I have a very balanced life.    This is the now: My job is very stressful, stress that I impose, but stressful. I love the chaos of everyday solving problems (we\u2019re building a systems, it is not in steady state). I love being around people like me (geeks and nerds with Sci-fi decorated offices). I love working with young people, most in my team are young enough to be my children; the interactions are funny as hell. And I love their point of view! I\u2019m 62, and I\u2019m starting to get tired. I don\u2019t feel my brain is as fast as it used to be. I know I need to go, I just don\u2019t know how, when, why and to do what?  My older sisters, also engineers, tell me I have to have a plan. They are all retired, happy, and with things to do. But somehow, they suddenly got \u201cold\u201d. I don\u2019t want to get old. I definitely don\u2019t want to grow up. Now what?  I don\u2019t know that I can spend the next 20 or so years not being an engineer. I know I\u2019ll do everything I can to stay up in technology, but that is all I know.","c_root_id_A":"fxv59f0","c_root_id_B":"fxunnb3","created_at_utc_A":1594587488,"created_at_utc_B":1594578072,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"This isn't strictly engineering related, so apologies in advance.   You're at a stage of your life where you need to be planning for your future, on both a personal and professional basis.   Don't neglect the personal aspects. You're of sound body and mind - and now is the time to make decisions about what you want to happen in the future when that changes.   Talk to a lawyer. Get a will. Talk about setting up assets to potentially avoid probate. Want to stay at home? Go to a nursing home? How will it be paid for? Are you DNR? Need long term care insurance? Are there a bunch of loose ends if you get hit by a bus tomorrow?  Figure that stuff out now, and write it down. It'll save your from something you don't want, and will save your family a whole lot of grief.   (I'm writing this as I'm realizing that my retirement's going to get pushed out by a few years, as I'm going to help with my Aunt, who had a great income, lived like a rockstar, spent every dime she had, and now needs assisted living. Don't be her.)","human_ref_B":"If you dont mind to answer, which field of engineering you do, mechanical, electrical or chemical? Thanks and wish you happy work life and retirement.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9416.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"hpwl9u","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Starting to think about retirement after working as an engineer since 1984. What are the long term expectations? What has been the experience of those who have retired and have active lives?  General situation: I love my job, I like the current company I work for. My job is incredibly challenging, I\u2019m on my toes all day long, solving problems, answering questions and overall see the project grow and evolve. I just love it! I have many different hobbies and outside interests, I\u2019m an artist, a photographer, love to hike and bike and I live in Florida with great outdoors all year long. I have a very balanced life.    This is the now: My job is very stressful, stress that I impose, but stressful. I love the chaos of everyday solving problems (we\u2019re building a systems, it is not in steady state). I love being around people like me (geeks and nerds with Sci-fi decorated offices). I love working with young people, most in my team are young enough to be my children; the interactions are funny as hell. And I love their point of view! I\u2019m 62, and I\u2019m starting to get tired. I don\u2019t feel my brain is as fast as it used to be. I know I need to go, I just don\u2019t know how, when, why and to do what?  My older sisters, also engineers, tell me I have to have a plan. They are all retired, happy, and with things to do. But somehow, they suddenly got \u201cold\u201d. I don\u2019t want to get old. I definitely don\u2019t want to grow up. Now what?  I don\u2019t know that I can spend the next 20 or so years not being an engineer. I know I\u2019ll do everything I can to stay up in technology, but that is all I know.","c_root_id_A":"fxun6e3","c_root_id_B":"fxv59f0","created_at_utc_A":1594577823,"created_at_utc_B":1594587488,"score_A":4,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"I'm about 30 and I fear the same thing you do ~when~ if I get to that point. I love engineering and problem solving, and I can't imagine myself not working (once I find a job, that is). I always imagined that if it got to that point, I'd do one or more of the following:  - Work reduced hours (sounds like that might be on your mind as well) - Teach, either engineering, math, or physics, esp. at a local community college - Go back to school! Take some classes at a community college. Things like astronomy and physics, fun or different kinds of math, etc. - Pick up a hobby that I can afford. I want to build telescopes for low-income schools and offer to teach community science and astronomy classes to get young, disadvantaged youth interested in science and engineering. - Learn to fly? Idk might be too late for that. - Grow my own garden - The list goes on.  I suppose the question you need to ask yourself is \"what drives me?\", followed by \"How can I continue to use my skills and interests?\", and possibly even \"Can I still continue to give to the community?\". I suspect the sense of service and reward from it will keep you happy for a long time, work be damned.","human_ref_B":"This isn't strictly engineering related, so apologies in advance.   You're at a stage of your life where you need to be planning for your future, on both a personal and professional basis.   Don't neglect the personal aspects. You're of sound body and mind - and now is the time to make decisions about what you want to happen in the future when that changes.   Talk to a lawyer. Get a will. Talk about setting up assets to potentially avoid probate. Want to stay at home? Go to a nursing home? How will it be paid for? Are you DNR? Need long term care insurance? Are there a bunch of loose ends if you get hit by a bus tomorrow?  Figure that stuff out now, and write it down. It'll save your from something you don't want, and will save your family a whole lot of grief.   (I'm writing this as I'm realizing that my retirement's going to get pushed out by a few years, as I'm going to help with my Aunt, who had a great income, lived like a rockstar, spent every dime she had, and now needs assisted living. Don't be her.)","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9665.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"hpwl9u","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Starting to think about retirement after working as an engineer since 1984. What are the long term expectations? What has been the experience of those who have retired and have active lives?  General situation: I love my job, I like the current company I work for. My job is incredibly challenging, I\u2019m on my toes all day long, solving problems, answering questions and overall see the project grow and evolve. I just love it! I have many different hobbies and outside interests, I\u2019m an artist, a photographer, love to hike and bike and I live in Florida with great outdoors all year long. I have a very balanced life.    This is the now: My job is very stressful, stress that I impose, but stressful. I love the chaos of everyday solving problems (we\u2019re building a systems, it is not in steady state). I love being around people like me (geeks and nerds with Sci-fi decorated offices). I love working with young people, most in my team are young enough to be my children; the interactions are funny as hell. And I love their point of view! I\u2019m 62, and I\u2019m starting to get tired. I don\u2019t feel my brain is as fast as it used to be. I know I need to go, I just don\u2019t know how, when, why and to do what?  My older sisters, also engineers, tell me I have to have a plan. They are all retired, happy, and with things to do. But somehow, they suddenly got \u201cold\u201d. I don\u2019t want to get old. I definitely don\u2019t want to grow up. Now what?  I don\u2019t know that I can spend the next 20 or so years not being an engineer. I know I\u2019ll do everything I can to stay up in technology, but that is all I know.","c_root_id_A":"fxv59f0","c_root_id_B":"fxuokww","created_at_utc_A":1594587488,"created_at_utc_B":1594578558,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"This isn't strictly engineering related, so apologies in advance.   You're at a stage of your life where you need to be planning for your future, on both a personal and professional basis.   Don't neglect the personal aspects. You're of sound body and mind - and now is the time to make decisions about what you want to happen in the future when that changes.   Talk to a lawyer. Get a will. Talk about setting up assets to potentially avoid probate. Want to stay at home? Go to a nursing home? How will it be paid for? Are you DNR? Need long term care insurance? Are there a bunch of loose ends if you get hit by a bus tomorrow?  Figure that stuff out now, and write it down. It'll save your from something you don't want, and will save your family a whole lot of grief.   (I'm writing this as I'm realizing that my retirement's going to get pushed out by a few years, as I'm going to help with my Aunt, who had a great income, lived like a rockstar, spent every dime she had, and now needs assisted living. Don't be her.)","human_ref_B":"You don't need to retire until you feel comfortable doing so. I have a colleague in his late seventies and we've been saying for the past 10+ years that he's going to retire soon but he has no intention of doing so - he loves his work too much!  If you wanted room to explore more of your life, you could consider going part-time or acting as a consultant to your company instead of an employee. They will likely to be open to the possibilities as they won't want to just suddenly lose you and your expertise.  My parents have both retired at similar ages to you and they love having the time to pursue personal projects or go on impromptu holidays. Going part time could give you time to discover what your interests might be. Woodworking, mechanics or other home projects might be a good thing to look into if you still want to be designing and problem-solving.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8930.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"hpwl9u","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Starting to think about retirement after working as an engineer since 1984. What are the long term expectations? What has been the experience of those who have retired and have active lives?  General situation: I love my job, I like the current company I work for. My job is incredibly challenging, I\u2019m on my toes all day long, solving problems, answering questions and overall see the project grow and evolve. I just love it! I have many different hobbies and outside interests, I\u2019m an artist, a photographer, love to hike and bike and I live in Florida with great outdoors all year long. I have a very balanced life.    This is the now: My job is very stressful, stress that I impose, but stressful. I love the chaos of everyday solving problems (we\u2019re building a systems, it is not in steady state). I love being around people like me (geeks and nerds with Sci-fi decorated offices). I love working with young people, most in my team are young enough to be my children; the interactions are funny as hell. And I love their point of view! I\u2019m 62, and I\u2019m starting to get tired. I don\u2019t feel my brain is as fast as it used to be. I know I need to go, I just don\u2019t know how, when, why and to do what?  My older sisters, also engineers, tell me I have to have a plan. They are all retired, happy, and with things to do. But somehow, they suddenly got \u201cold\u201d. I don\u2019t want to get old. I definitely don\u2019t want to grow up. Now what?  I don\u2019t know that I can spend the next 20 or so years not being an engineer. I know I\u2019ll do everything I can to stay up in technology, but that is all I know.","c_root_id_A":"fxuoz1d","c_root_id_B":"fxv59f0","created_at_utc_A":1594578762,"created_at_utc_B":1594587488,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Maybe ask about taking a sabbatical. Use that time to think about what *you * like to do. Maybe you can drop to part time. I\u2019m working hard to retire at 53 when my kid goes to college. I\u2019ll still work but I\u2019m looking forward to doing it on my own terms.","human_ref_B":"This isn't strictly engineering related, so apologies in advance.   You're at a stage of your life where you need to be planning for your future, on both a personal and professional basis.   Don't neglect the personal aspects. You're of sound body and mind - and now is the time to make decisions about what you want to happen in the future when that changes.   Talk to a lawyer. Get a will. Talk about setting up assets to potentially avoid probate. Want to stay at home? Go to a nursing home? How will it be paid for? Are you DNR? Need long term care insurance? Are there a bunch of loose ends if you get hit by a bus tomorrow?  Figure that stuff out now, and write it down. It'll save your from something you don't want, and will save your family a whole lot of grief.   (I'm writing this as I'm realizing that my retirement's going to get pushed out by a few years, as I'm going to help with my Aunt, who had a great income, lived like a rockstar, spent every dime she had, and now needs assisted living. Don't be her.)","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8726.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"hpwl9u","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Starting to think about retirement after working as an engineer since 1984. What are the long term expectations? What has been the experience of those who have retired and have active lives?  General situation: I love my job, I like the current company I work for. My job is incredibly challenging, I\u2019m on my toes all day long, solving problems, answering questions and overall see the project grow and evolve. I just love it! I have many different hobbies and outside interests, I\u2019m an artist, a photographer, love to hike and bike and I live in Florida with great outdoors all year long. I have a very balanced life.    This is the now: My job is very stressful, stress that I impose, but stressful. I love the chaos of everyday solving problems (we\u2019re building a systems, it is not in steady state). I love being around people like me (geeks and nerds with Sci-fi decorated offices). I love working with young people, most in my team are young enough to be my children; the interactions are funny as hell. And I love their point of view! I\u2019m 62, and I\u2019m starting to get tired. I don\u2019t feel my brain is as fast as it used to be. I know I need to go, I just don\u2019t know how, when, why and to do what?  My older sisters, also engineers, tell me I have to have a plan. They are all retired, happy, and with things to do. But somehow, they suddenly got \u201cold\u201d. I don\u2019t want to get old. I definitely don\u2019t want to grow up. Now what?  I don\u2019t know that I can spend the next 20 or so years not being an engineer. I know I\u2019ll do everything I can to stay up in technology, but that is all I know.","c_root_id_A":"fxuvqez","c_root_id_B":"fxv59f0","created_at_utc_A":1594582347,"created_at_utc_B":1594587488,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Try asking this in:  https:\/\/www.reddit.com\/r\/financialindependence\/  What about law?","human_ref_B":"This isn't strictly engineering related, so apologies in advance.   You're at a stage of your life where you need to be planning for your future, on both a personal and professional basis.   Don't neglect the personal aspects. You're of sound body and mind - and now is the time to make decisions about what you want to happen in the future when that changes.   Talk to a lawyer. Get a will. Talk about setting up assets to potentially avoid probate. Want to stay at home? Go to a nursing home? How will it be paid for? Are you DNR? Need long term care insurance? Are there a bunch of loose ends if you get hit by a bus tomorrow?  Figure that stuff out now, and write it down. It'll save your from something you don't want, and will save your family a whole lot of grief.   (I'm writing this as I'm realizing that my retirement's going to get pushed out by a few years, as I'm going to help with my Aunt, who had a great income, lived like a rockstar, spent every dime she had, and now needs assisted living. Don't be her.)","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5141.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"hpwl9u","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Starting to think about retirement after working as an engineer since 1984. What are the long term expectations? What has been the experience of those who have retired and have active lives?  General situation: I love my job, I like the current company I work for. My job is incredibly challenging, I\u2019m on my toes all day long, solving problems, answering questions and overall see the project grow and evolve. I just love it! I have many different hobbies and outside interests, I\u2019m an artist, a photographer, love to hike and bike and I live in Florida with great outdoors all year long. I have a very balanced life.    This is the now: My job is very stressful, stress that I impose, but stressful. I love the chaos of everyday solving problems (we\u2019re building a systems, it is not in steady state). I love being around people like me (geeks and nerds with Sci-fi decorated offices). I love working with young people, most in my team are young enough to be my children; the interactions are funny as hell. And I love their point of view! I\u2019m 62, and I\u2019m starting to get tired. I don\u2019t feel my brain is as fast as it used to be. I know I need to go, I just don\u2019t know how, when, why and to do what?  My older sisters, also engineers, tell me I have to have a plan. They are all retired, happy, and with things to do. But somehow, they suddenly got \u201cold\u201d. I don\u2019t want to get old. I definitely don\u2019t want to grow up. Now what?  I don\u2019t know that I can spend the next 20 or so years not being an engineer. I know I\u2019ll do everything I can to stay up in technology, but that is all I know.","c_root_id_A":"fxuk7yl","c_root_id_B":"fxun6e3","created_at_utc_A":1594576265,"created_at_utc_B":1594577823,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"You could try consulting. Your current company may not want the sudden brain drain that goes along with a losing an experienced engineer of 36 years. Keep some side income, but do it mostly on your schedule.","human_ref_B":"I'm about 30 and I fear the same thing you do ~when~ if I get to that point. I love engineering and problem solving, and I can't imagine myself not working (once I find a job, that is). I always imagined that if it got to that point, I'd do one or more of the following:  - Work reduced hours (sounds like that might be on your mind as well) - Teach, either engineering, math, or physics, esp. at a local community college - Go back to school! Take some classes at a community college. Things like astronomy and physics, fun or different kinds of math, etc. - Pick up a hobby that I can afford. I want to build telescopes for low-income schools and offer to teach community science and astronomy classes to get young, disadvantaged youth interested in science and engineering. - Learn to fly? Idk might be too late for that. - Grow my own garden - The list goes on.  I suppose the question you need to ask yourself is \"what drives me?\", followed by \"How can I continue to use my skills and interests?\", and possibly even \"Can I still continue to give to the community?\". I suspect the sense of service and reward from it will keep you happy for a long time, work be damned.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1558.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"hpwl9u","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Starting to think about retirement after working as an engineer since 1984. What are the long term expectations? What has been the experience of those who have retired and have active lives?  General situation: I love my job, I like the current company I work for. My job is incredibly challenging, I\u2019m on my toes all day long, solving problems, answering questions and overall see the project grow and evolve. I just love it! I have many different hobbies and outside interests, I\u2019m an artist, a photographer, love to hike and bike and I live in Florida with great outdoors all year long. I have a very balanced life.    This is the now: My job is very stressful, stress that I impose, but stressful. I love the chaos of everyday solving problems (we\u2019re building a systems, it is not in steady state). I love being around people like me (geeks and nerds with Sci-fi decorated offices). I love working with young people, most in my team are young enough to be my children; the interactions are funny as hell. And I love their point of view! I\u2019m 62, and I\u2019m starting to get tired. I don\u2019t feel my brain is as fast as it used to be. I know I need to go, I just don\u2019t know how, when, why and to do what?  My older sisters, also engineers, tell me I have to have a plan. They are all retired, happy, and with things to do. But somehow, they suddenly got \u201cold\u201d. I don\u2019t want to get old. I definitely don\u2019t want to grow up. Now what?  I don\u2019t know that I can spend the next 20 or so years not being an engineer. I know I\u2019ll do everything I can to stay up in technology, but that is all I know.","c_root_id_A":"fxuk7yl","c_root_id_B":"fxvu216","created_at_utc_A":1594576265,"created_at_utc_B":1594601769,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"You could try consulting. Your current company may not want the sudden brain drain that goes along with a losing an experienced engineer of 36 years. Keep some side income, but do it mostly on your schedule.","human_ref_B":"Since retiring I have:   Chaired a city commission setting environmental and energy policy  Been paid to teach continuing education classes to architects and engineers  Consulted with a colleague still in business on several jobs and some fieldwork  Bought rental property and kept it fixed  Built several rather complex hobby projects - teardrop trailer, custom e-bike, keep my truck repaired, etc.  Been an adult leader of a scout troop  Taught sex ed classes cuz teenagers need to know that stuff  Audio editing of a church's podcast  More engineering consulting for another colleague. Total billing averages about 20k per year, not enough to live on if I didn't have other sources.   I'm a bit rubber-legged just now because I biked 50 miles today.   And I'm driven to do all this because if I don't I get depressed as hell. Seriously I'm running scared. Retire? Ha! I'm busier than ever. Only about half of it is paid work, but I don't care, it needs to get done.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":25504.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"hpwl9u","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Starting to think about retirement after working as an engineer since 1984. What are the long term expectations? What has been the experience of those who have retired and have active lives?  General situation: I love my job, I like the current company I work for. My job is incredibly challenging, I\u2019m on my toes all day long, solving problems, answering questions and overall see the project grow and evolve. I just love it! I have many different hobbies and outside interests, I\u2019m an artist, a photographer, love to hike and bike and I live in Florida with great outdoors all year long. I have a very balanced life.    This is the now: My job is very stressful, stress that I impose, but stressful. I love the chaos of everyday solving problems (we\u2019re building a systems, it is not in steady state). I love being around people like me (geeks and nerds with Sci-fi decorated offices). I love working with young people, most in my team are young enough to be my children; the interactions are funny as hell. And I love their point of view! I\u2019m 62, and I\u2019m starting to get tired. I don\u2019t feel my brain is as fast as it used to be. I know I need to go, I just don\u2019t know how, when, why and to do what?  My older sisters, also engineers, tell me I have to have a plan. They are all retired, happy, and with things to do. But somehow, they suddenly got \u201cold\u201d. I don\u2019t want to get old. I definitely don\u2019t want to grow up. Now what?  I don\u2019t know that I can spend the next 20 or so years not being an engineer. I know I\u2019ll do everything I can to stay up in technology, but that is all I know.","c_root_id_A":"fxvu216","c_root_id_B":"fxunnb3","created_at_utc_A":1594601769,"created_at_utc_B":1594578072,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Since retiring I have:   Chaired a city commission setting environmental and energy policy  Been paid to teach continuing education classes to architects and engineers  Consulted with a colleague still in business on several jobs and some fieldwork  Bought rental property and kept it fixed  Built several rather complex hobby projects - teardrop trailer, custom e-bike, keep my truck repaired, etc.  Been an adult leader of a scout troop  Taught sex ed classes cuz teenagers need to know that stuff  Audio editing of a church's podcast  More engineering consulting for another colleague. Total billing averages about 20k per year, not enough to live on if I didn't have other sources.   I'm a bit rubber-legged just now because I biked 50 miles today.   And I'm driven to do all this because if I don't I get depressed as hell. Seriously I'm running scared. Retire? Ha! I'm busier than ever. Only about half of it is paid work, but I don't care, it needs to get done.","human_ref_B":"If you dont mind to answer, which field of engineering you do, mechanical, electrical or chemical? Thanks and wish you happy work life and retirement.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":23697.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"hpwl9u","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Starting to think about retirement after working as an engineer since 1984. What are the long term expectations? What has been the experience of those who have retired and have active lives?  General situation: I love my job, I like the current company I work for. My job is incredibly challenging, I\u2019m on my toes all day long, solving problems, answering questions and overall see the project grow and evolve. I just love it! I have many different hobbies and outside interests, I\u2019m an artist, a photographer, love to hike and bike and I live in Florida with great outdoors all year long. I have a very balanced life.    This is the now: My job is very stressful, stress that I impose, but stressful. I love the chaos of everyday solving problems (we\u2019re building a systems, it is not in steady state). I love being around people like me (geeks and nerds with Sci-fi decorated offices). I love working with young people, most in my team are young enough to be my children; the interactions are funny as hell. And I love their point of view! I\u2019m 62, and I\u2019m starting to get tired. I don\u2019t feel my brain is as fast as it used to be. I know I need to go, I just don\u2019t know how, when, why and to do what?  My older sisters, also engineers, tell me I have to have a plan. They are all retired, happy, and with things to do. But somehow, they suddenly got \u201cold\u201d. I don\u2019t want to get old. I definitely don\u2019t want to grow up. Now what?  I don\u2019t know that I can spend the next 20 or so years not being an engineer. I know I\u2019ll do everything I can to stay up in technology, but that is all I know.","c_root_id_A":"fxvu216","c_root_id_B":"fxuokww","created_at_utc_A":1594601769,"created_at_utc_B":1594578558,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Since retiring I have:   Chaired a city commission setting environmental and energy policy  Been paid to teach continuing education classes to architects and engineers  Consulted with a colleague still in business on several jobs and some fieldwork  Bought rental property and kept it fixed  Built several rather complex hobby projects - teardrop trailer, custom e-bike, keep my truck repaired, etc.  Been an adult leader of a scout troop  Taught sex ed classes cuz teenagers need to know that stuff  Audio editing of a church's podcast  More engineering consulting for another colleague. Total billing averages about 20k per year, not enough to live on if I didn't have other sources.   I'm a bit rubber-legged just now because I biked 50 miles today.   And I'm driven to do all this because if I don't I get depressed as hell. Seriously I'm running scared. Retire? Ha! I'm busier than ever. Only about half of it is paid work, but I don't care, it needs to get done.","human_ref_B":"You don't need to retire until you feel comfortable doing so. I have a colleague in his late seventies and we've been saying for the past 10+ years that he's going to retire soon but he has no intention of doing so - he loves his work too much!  If you wanted room to explore more of your life, you could consider going part-time or acting as a consultant to your company instead of an employee. They will likely to be open to the possibilities as they won't want to just suddenly lose you and your expertise.  My parents have both retired at similar ages to you and they love having the time to pursue personal projects or go on impromptu holidays. Going part time could give you time to discover what your interests might be. Woodworking, mechanics or other home projects might be a good thing to look into if you still want to be designing and problem-solving.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":23211.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"hpwl9u","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Starting to think about retirement after working as an engineer since 1984. What are the long term expectations? What has been the experience of those who have retired and have active lives?  General situation: I love my job, I like the current company I work for. My job is incredibly challenging, I\u2019m on my toes all day long, solving problems, answering questions and overall see the project grow and evolve. I just love it! I have many different hobbies and outside interests, I\u2019m an artist, a photographer, love to hike and bike and I live in Florida with great outdoors all year long. I have a very balanced life.    This is the now: My job is very stressful, stress that I impose, but stressful. I love the chaos of everyday solving problems (we\u2019re building a systems, it is not in steady state). I love being around people like me (geeks and nerds with Sci-fi decorated offices). I love working with young people, most in my team are young enough to be my children; the interactions are funny as hell. And I love their point of view! I\u2019m 62, and I\u2019m starting to get tired. I don\u2019t feel my brain is as fast as it used to be. I know I need to go, I just don\u2019t know how, when, why and to do what?  My older sisters, also engineers, tell me I have to have a plan. They are all retired, happy, and with things to do. But somehow, they suddenly got \u201cold\u201d. I don\u2019t want to get old. I definitely don\u2019t want to grow up. Now what?  I don\u2019t know that I can spend the next 20 or so years not being an engineer. I know I\u2019ll do everything I can to stay up in technology, but that is all I know.","c_root_id_A":"fxvu216","c_root_id_B":"fxuoz1d","created_at_utc_A":1594601769,"created_at_utc_B":1594578762,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Since retiring I have:   Chaired a city commission setting environmental and energy policy  Been paid to teach continuing education classes to architects and engineers  Consulted with a colleague still in business on several jobs and some fieldwork  Bought rental property and kept it fixed  Built several rather complex hobby projects - teardrop trailer, custom e-bike, keep my truck repaired, etc.  Been an adult leader of a scout troop  Taught sex ed classes cuz teenagers need to know that stuff  Audio editing of a church's podcast  More engineering consulting for another colleague. Total billing averages about 20k per year, not enough to live on if I didn't have other sources.   I'm a bit rubber-legged just now because I biked 50 miles today.   And I'm driven to do all this because if I don't I get depressed as hell. Seriously I'm running scared. Retire? Ha! I'm busier than ever. Only about half of it is paid work, but I don't care, it needs to get done.","human_ref_B":"Maybe ask about taking a sabbatical. Use that time to think about what *you * like to do. Maybe you can drop to part time. I\u2019m working hard to retire at 53 when my kid goes to college. I\u2019ll still work but I\u2019m looking forward to doing it on my own terms.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":23007.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"hpwl9u","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Starting to think about retirement after working as an engineer since 1984. What are the long term expectations? What has been the experience of those who have retired and have active lives?  General situation: I love my job, I like the current company I work for. My job is incredibly challenging, I\u2019m on my toes all day long, solving problems, answering questions and overall see the project grow and evolve. I just love it! I have many different hobbies and outside interests, I\u2019m an artist, a photographer, love to hike and bike and I live in Florida with great outdoors all year long. I have a very balanced life.    This is the now: My job is very stressful, stress that I impose, but stressful. I love the chaos of everyday solving problems (we\u2019re building a systems, it is not in steady state). I love being around people like me (geeks and nerds with Sci-fi decorated offices). I love working with young people, most in my team are young enough to be my children; the interactions are funny as hell. And I love their point of view! I\u2019m 62, and I\u2019m starting to get tired. I don\u2019t feel my brain is as fast as it used to be. I know I need to go, I just don\u2019t know how, when, why and to do what?  My older sisters, also engineers, tell me I have to have a plan. They are all retired, happy, and with things to do. But somehow, they suddenly got \u201cold\u201d. I don\u2019t want to get old. I definitely don\u2019t want to grow up. Now what?  I don\u2019t know that I can spend the next 20 or so years not being an engineer. I know I\u2019ll do everything I can to stay up in technology, but that is all I know.","c_root_id_A":"fxuvqez","c_root_id_B":"fxvu216","created_at_utc_A":1594582347,"created_at_utc_B":1594601769,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Try asking this in:  https:\/\/www.reddit.com\/r\/financialindependence\/  What about law?","human_ref_B":"Since retiring I have:   Chaired a city commission setting environmental and energy policy  Been paid to teach continuing education classes to architects and engineers  Consulted with a colleague still in business on several jobs and some fieldwork  Bought rental property and kept it fixed  Built several rather complex hobby projects - teardrop trailer, custom e-bike, keep my truck repaired, etc.  Been an adult leader of a scout troop  Taught sex ed classes cuz teenagers need to know that stuff  Audio editing of a church's podcast  More engineering consulting for another colleague. Total billing averages about 20k per year, not enough to live on if I didn't have other sources.   I'm a bit rubber-legged just now because I biked 50 miles today.   And I'm driven to do all this because if I don't I get depressed as hell. Seriously I'm running scared. Retire? Ha! I'm busier than ever. Only about half of it is paid work, but I don't care, it needs to get done.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":19422.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"jkcyps","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"I started my first full time position out of college a few months ago and I feel like I\u2019m completely incompetent at my job. Is this normal? Or is there something I should do differently? I am a recent ME grad (\u201820) and I got a job at a small manufacturing company. I have gone through a few smaller projects and handled them okay, but not great. Now I\u2019m onto a pretty complex, multi-layered project and I feel completely lost. I\u2019ve had several design reviews with my boss this week and every time I walk away from them feeling like an idiot because of oversights or dumb mistakes I make. Has anyone else had an experience like this?","c_root_id_A":"gajdxl5","c_root_id_B":"gai841y","created_at_utc_A":1604008285,"created_at_utc_B":1603989730,"score_A":32,"score_B":20,"human_ref_A":"> **first full time position out of college**   &#x200B;  > **completely incompetent at my job**   Thats normal.  No really, a new engineer will only cost money the first half a year, and take more than a year before you become anywhere useful. Getting trough college just proves you have the ability to learn.","human_ref_B":"It's ok to get a project with a scope that is big and intimidating. I do this to my underlings because I want them to understand the whole scope of work involved in a project.  Once you have demonstrated that you can do the individual tasks separately,  I will give you a bigger chunk.  But I will always work with you to show you what the individual pieces are and how to accomplish each one.  I just want you to see the whole thing as well as the individual tasks.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":18555.0,"score_ratio":1.6}
{"post_id":"jkcyps","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"I started my first full time position out of college a few months ago and I feel like I\u2019m completely incompetent at my job. Is this normal? Or is there something I should do differently? I am a recent ME grad (\u201820) and I got a job at a small manufacturing company. I have gone through a few smaller projects and handled them okay, but not great. Now I\u2019m onto a pretty complex, multi-layered project and I feel completely lost. I\u2019ve had several design reviews with my boss this week and every time I walk away from them feeling like an idiot because of oversights or dumb mistakes I make. Has anyone else had an experience like this?","c_root_id_A":"gajdxl5","c_root_id_B":"gaiwkfo","created_at_utc_A":1604008285,"created_at_utc_B":1603999843,"score_A":32,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"> **first full time position out of college**   &#x200B;  > **completely incompetent at my job**   Thats normal.  No really, a new engineer will only cost money the first half a year, and take more than a year before you become anywhere useful. Getting trough college just proves you have the ability to learn.","human_ref_B":"I wouldn't think of them as dumb mistakes being caught by your boss, I would think of them as your best effort, and your boss is helping you to develop your design skills by helping you work through the problems you've been given.  Some people have insight or experience that would let them hit the ground running in a job. If you do not, you have to develop it at that job.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8442.0,"score_ratio":3.2}
{"post_id":"jkcyps","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"I started my first full time position out of college a few months ago and I feel like I\u2019m completely incompetent at my job. Is this normal? Or is there something I should do differently? I am a recent ME grad (\u201820) and I got a job at a small manufacturing company. I have gone through a few smaller projects and handled them okay, but not great. Now I\u2019m onto a pretty complex, multi-layered project and I feel completely lost. I\u2019ve had several design reviews with my boss this week and every time I walk away from them feeling like an idiot because of oversights or dumb mistakes I make. Has anyone else had an experience like this?","c_root_id_A":"gajaubu","c_root_id_B":"gajdxl5","created_at_utc_A":1604006728,"created_at_utc_B":1604008285,"score_A":9,"score_B":32,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019m two weeks into my job after graduating and I feel the exact same! My boss said to me that \u201cnow is the time for you to make mistakes so you learn, and you won\u2019t make the same mistakes in the future\u201d. You\u2019ve got this, just always double check everything you do and get someone else to look over it too! Best of luck and I hope you feel more comfortable too!","human_ref_B":"> **first full time position out of college**   &#x200B;  > **completely incompetent at my job**   Thats normal.  No really, a new engineer will only cost money the first half a year, and take more than a year before you become anywhere useful. Getting trough college just proves you have the ability to learn.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1557.0,"score_ratio":3.5555555556}
{"post_id":"jkcyps","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"I started my first full time position out of college a few months ago and I feel like I\u2019m completely incompetent at my job. Is this normal? Or is there something I should do differently? I am a recent ME grad (\u201820) and I got a job at a small manufacturing company. I have gone through a few smaller projects and handled them okay, but not great. Now I\u2019m onto a pretty complex, multi-layered project and I feel completely lost. I\u2019ve had several design reviews with my boss this week and every time I walk away from them feeling like an idiot because of oversights or dumb mistakes I make. Has anyone else had an experience like this?","c_root_id_A":"gajdxl5","c_root_id_B":"gaj6qeg","created_at_utc_A":1604008285,"created_at_utc_B":1604004696,"score_A":32,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"> **first full time position out of college**   &#x200B;  > **completely incompetent at my job**   Thats normal.  No really, a new engineer will only cost money the first half a year, and take more than a year before you become anywhere useful. Getting trough college just proves you have the ability to learn.","human_ref_B":"Yes. None of your coworkers were caught and frogmarched out the door once the boss realized they were as incompetent as you feel.  Welcome to impostor syndrome.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3589.0,"score_ratio":4.5714285714}
{"post_id":"jkcyps","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"I started my first full time position out of college a few months ago and I feel like I\u2019m completely incompetent at my job. Is this normal? Or is there something I should do differently? I am a recent ME grad (\u201820) and I got a job at a small manufacturing company. I have gone through a few smaller projects and handled them okay, but not great. Now I\u2019m onto a pretty complex, multi-layered project and I feel completely lost. I\u2019ve had several design reviews with my boss this week and every time I walk away from them feeling like an idiot because of oversights or dumb mistakes I make. Has anyone else had an experience like this?","c_root_id_A":"gaj0sjr","c_root_id_B":"gajdxl5","created_at_utc_A":1604001840,"created_at_utc_B":1604008285,"score_A":5,"score_B":32,"human_ref_A":"Welcome to the industry, you are learning things are a bit different than in school where you only need to make a 1 off prototype and present it in your class, here you will need to consider about other things as well.  Just take notes and try not to make the same mistake next time. It is totally normal. Just don't keep making the same or similar mistake because that's prove that you ARE incompetent and that will become your reputation.","human_ref_B":"> **first full time position out of college**   &#x200B;  > **completely incompetent at my job**   Thats normal.  No really, a new engineer will only cost money the first half a year, and take more than a year before you become anywhere useful. Getting trough college just proves you have the ability to learn.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6445.0,"score_ratio":6.4}
{"post_id":"jkcyps","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"I started my first full time position out of college a few months ago and I feel like I\u2019m completely incompetent at my job. Is this normal? Or is there something I should do differently? I am a recent ME grad (\u201820) and I got a job at a small manufacturing company. I have gone through a few smaller projects and handled them okay, but not great. Now I\u2019m onto a pretty complex, multi-layered project and I feel completely lost. I\u2019ve had several design reviews with my boss this week and every time I walk away from them feeling like an idiot because of oversights or dumb mistakes I make. Has anyone else had an experience like this?","c_root_id_A":"gajdxl5","c_root_id_B":"gajdnv0","created_at_utc_A":1604008285,"created_at_utc_B":1604008149,"score_A":32,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"> **first full time position out of college**   &#x200B;  > **completely incompetent at my job**   Thats normal.  No really, a new engineer will only cost money the first half a year, and take more than a year before you become anywhere useful. Getting trough college just proves you have the ability to learn.","human_ref_B":"Hint....everyone\u2019s incompetent at their jobs when new.  From doctors, to engineers....to chefs and plumbers.   Fake it till you make it.... and ask lots of questions","labels":1,"seconds_difference":136.0,"score_ratio":10.6666666667}
{"post_id":"jkcyps","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"I started my first full time position out of college a few months ago and I feel like I\u2019m completely incompetent at my job. Is this normal? Or is there something I should do differently? I am a recent ME grad (\u201820) and I got a job at a small manufacturing company. I have gone through a few smaller projects and handled them okay, but not great. Now I\u2019m onto a pretty complex, multi-layered project and I feel completely lost. I\u2019ve had several design reviews with my boss this week and every time I walk away from them feeling like an idiot because of oversights or dumb mistakes I make. Has anyone else had an experience like this?","c_root_id_A":"gaj6qeg","c_root_id_B":"gajaubu","created_at_utc_A":1604004696,"created_at_utc_B":1604006728,"score_A":7,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Yes. None of your coworkers were caught and frogmarched out the door once the boss realized they were as incompetent as you feel.  Welcome to impostor syndrome.","human_ref_B":"I\u2019m two weeks into my job after graduating and I feel the exact same! My boss said to me that \u201cnow is the time for you to make mistakes so you learn, and you won\u2019t make the same mistakes in the future\u201d. You\u2019ve got this, just always double check everything you do and get someone else to look over it too! Best of luck and I hope you feel more comfortable too!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2032.0,"score_ratio":1.2857142857}
{"post_id":"jkcyps","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"I started my first full time position out of college a few months ago and I feel like I\u2019m completely incompetent at my job. Is this normal? Or is there something I should do differently? I am a recent ME grad (\u201820) and I got a job at a small manufacturing company. I have gone through a few smaller projects and handled them okay, but not great. Now I\u2019m onto a pretty complex, multi-layered project and I feel completely lost. I\u2019ve had several design reviews with my boss this week and every time I walk away from them feeling like an idiot because of oversights or dumb mistakes I make. Has anyone else had an experience like this?","c_root_id_A":"gajaubu","c_root_id_B":"gaj0sjr","created_at_utc_A":1604006728,"created_at_utc_B":1604001840,"score_A":9,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019m two weeks into my job after graduating and I feel the exact same! My boss said to me that \u201cnow is the time for you to make mistakes so you learn, and you won\u2019t make the same mistakes in the future\u201d. You\u2019ve got this, just always double check everything you do and get someone else to look over it too! Best of luck and I hope you feel more comfortable too!","human_ref_B":"Welcome to the industry, you are learning things are a bit different than in school where you only need to make a 1 off prototype and present it in your class, here you will need to consider about other things as well.  Just take notes and try not to make the same mistake next time. It is totally normal. Just don't keep making the same or similar mistake because that's prove that you ARE incompetent and that will become your reputation.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4888.0,"score_ratio":1.8}
{"post_id":"jkcyps","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"I started my first full time position out of college a few months ago and I feel like I\u2019m completely incompetent at my job. Is this normal? Or is there something I should do differently? I am a recent ME grad (\u201820) and I got a job at a small manufacturing company. I have gone through a few smaller projects and handled them okay, but not great. Now I\u2019m onto a pretty complex, multi-layered project and I feel completely lost. I\u2019ve had several design reviews with my boss this week and every time I walk away from them feeling like an idiot because of oversights or dumb mistakes I make. Has anyone else had an experience like this?","c_root_id_A":"gajfvpu","c_root_id_B":"gaj6qeg","created_at_utc_A":1604009272,"created_at_utc_B":1604004696,"score_A":8,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Ahh hahahahaha. Yes. Absolutely yes. 1000% yes.  School is a terrible proxy for the professional environment; however many things that you have learned at school may be applied.  Look man, don\u2019t feel bad, this is a very relatable situation. Learn everything you can, find some seasoned vets that have knowledge and show that you\u2019re eager to do the right thing. Coming out swinging like you\u2019re the best thing to get churned out of academia will turn off a lot of people, so read the room.  You\u2019ll be fine. Asking questions like this show that you\u2019re paying attention and making an effort to adjust, because the adjustment is a bitch. Hang on, give it a fair shake, and set a timeline in which you assess how you feel. Maybe a year or so, because there is a level of culture shock.","human_ref_B":"Yes. None of your coworkers were caught and frogmarched out the door once the boss realized they were as incompetent as you feel.  Welcome to impostor syndrome.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4576.0,"score_ratio":1.1428571429}
{"post_id":"jkcyps","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"I started my first full time position out of college a few months ago and I feel like I\u2019m completely incompetent at my job. Is this normal? Or is there something I should do differently? I am a recent ME grad (\u201820) and I got a job at a small manufacturing company. I have gone through a few smaller projects and handled them okay, but not great. Now I\u2019m onto a pretty complex, multi-layered project and I feel completely lost. I\u2019ve had several design reviews with my boss this week and every time I walk away from them feeling like an idiot because of oversights or dumb mistakes I make. Has anyone else had an experience like this?","c_root_id_A":"gaj6qeg","c_root_id_B":"gaj0sjr","created_at_utc_A":1604004696,"created_at_utc_B":1604001840,"score_A":7,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Yes. None of your coworkers were caught and frogmarched out the door once the boss realized they were as incompetent as you feel.  Welcome to impostor syndrome.","human_ref_B":"Welcome to the industry, you are learning things are a bit different than in school where you only need to make a 1 off prototype and present it in your class, here you will need to consider about other things as well.  Just take notes and try not to make the same mistake next time. It is totally normal. Just don't keep making the same or similar mistake because that's prove that you ARE incompetent and that will become your reputation.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2856.0,"score_ratio":1.4}
{"post_id":"jkcyps","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"I started my first full time position out of college a few months ago and I feel like I\u2019m completely incompetent at my job. Is this normal? Or is there something I should do differently? I am a recent ME grad (\u201820) and I got a job at a small manufacturing company. I have gone through a few smaller projects and handled them okay, but not great. Now I\u2019m onto a pretty complex, multi-layered project and I feel completely lost. I\u2019ve had several design reviews with my boss this week and every time I walk away from them feeling like an idiot because of oversights or dumb mistakes I make. Has anyone else had an experience like this?","c_root_id_A":"gajfvpu","c_root_id_B":"gaj0sjr","created_at_utc_A":1604009272,"created_at_utc_B":1604001840,"score_A":8,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Ahh hahahahaha. Yes. Absolutely yes. 1000% yes.  School is a terrible proxy for the professional environment; however many things that you have learned at school may be applied.  Look man, don\u2019t feel bad, this is a very relatable situation. Learn everything you can, find some seasoned vets that have knowledge and show that you\u2019re eager to do the right thing. Coming out swinging like you\u2019re the best thing to get churned out of academia will turn off a lot of people, so read the room.  You\u2019ll be fine. Asking questions like this show that you\u2019re paying attention and making an effort to adjust, because the adjustment is a bitch. Hang on, give it a fair shake, and set a timeline in which you assess how you feel. Maybe a year or so, because there is a level of culture shock.","human_ref_B":"Welcome to the industry, you are learning things are a bit different than in school where you only need to make a 1 off prototype and present it in your class, here you will need to consider about other things as well.  Just take notes and try not to make the same mistake next time. It is totally normal. Just don't keep making the same or similar mistake because that's prove that you ARE incompetent and that will become your reputation.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7432.0,"score_ratio":1.6}
{"post_id":"jkcyps","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"I started my first full time position out of college a few months ago and I feel like I\u2019m completely incompetent at my job. Is this normal? Or is there something I should do differently? I am a recent ME grad (\u201820) and I got a job at a small manufacturing company. I have gone through a few smaller projects and handled them okay, but not great. Now I\u2019m onto a pretty complex, multi-layered project and I feel completely lost. I\u2019ve had several design reviews with my boss this week and every time I walk away from them feeling like an idiot because of oversights or dumb mistakes I make. Has anyone else had an experience like this?","c_root_id_A":"gajfvpu","c_root_id_B":"gajei9x","created_at_utc_A":1604009272,"created_at_utc_B":1604008575,"score_A":8,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Ahh hahahahaha. Yes. Absolutely yes. 1000% yes.  School is a terrible proxy for the professional environment; however many things that you have learned at school may be applied.  Look man, don\u2019t feel bad, this is a very relatable situation. Learn everything you can, find some seasoned vets that have knowledge and show that you\u2019re eager to do the right thing. Coming out swinging like you\u2019re the best thing to get churned out of academia will turn off a lot of people, so read the room.  You\u2019ll be fine. Asking questions like this show that you\u2019re paying attention and making an effort to adjust, because the adjustment is a bitch. Hang on, give it a fair shake, and set a timeline in which you assess how you feel. Maybe a year or so, because there is a level of culture shock.","human_ref_B":"If you look into a design\/solution you've made a year ago and you have more to add to it\/slightly ashamed of your signature on it, it means you're growing and your boss's plan to invest in you because of your potential has worked well and is paying back.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":697.0,"score_ratio":1.6}
{"post_id":"jkcyps","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"I started my first full time position out of college a few months ago and I feel like I\u2019m completely incompetent at my job. Is this normal? Or is there something I should do differently? I am a recent ME grad (\u201820) and I got a job at a small manufacturing company. I have gone through a few smaller projects and handled them okay, but not great. Now I\u2019m onto a pretty complex, multi-layered project and I feel completely lost. I\u2019ve had several design reviews with my boss this week and every time I walk away from them feeling like an idiot because of oversights or dumb mistakes I make. Has anyone else had an experience like this?","c_root_id_A":"gajdnv0","c_root_id_B":"gajfvpu","created_at_utc_A":1604008149,"created_at_utc_B":1604009272,"score_A":3,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"Hint....everyone\u2019s incompetent at their jobs when new.  From doctors, to engineers....to chefs and plumbers.   Fake it till you make it.... and ask lots of questions","human_ref_B":"Ahh hahahahaha. Yes. Absolutely yes. 1000% yes.  School is a terrible proxy for the professional environment; however many things that you have learned at school may be applied.  Look man, don\u2019t feel bad, this is a very relatable situation. Learn everything you can, find some seasoned vets that have knowledge and show that you\u2019re eager to do the right thing. Coming out swinging like you\u2019re the best thing to get churned out of academia will turn off a lot of people, so read the room.  You\u2019ll be fine. Asking questions like this show that you\u2019re paying attention and making an effort to adjust, because the adjustment is a bitch. Hang on, give it a fair shake, and set a timeline in which you assess how you feel. Maybe a year or so, because there is a level of culture shock.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1123.0,"score_ratio":2.6666666667}
{"post_id":"jkcyps","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"I started my first full time position out of college a few months ago and I feel like I\u2019m completely incompetent at my job. Is this normal? Or is there something I should do differently? I am a recent ME grad (\u201820) and I got a job at a small manufacturing company. I have gone through a few smaller projects and handled them okay, but not great. Now I\u2019m onto a pretty complex, multi-layered project and I feel completely lost. I\u2019ve had several design reviews with my boss this week and every time I walk away from them feeling like an idiot because of oversights or dumb mistakes I make. Has anyone else had an experience like this?","c_root_id_A":"gajdnv0","c_root_id_B":"gajei9x","created_at_utc_A":1604008149,"created_at_utc_B":1604008575,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Hint....everyone\u2019s incompetent at their jobs when new.  From doctors, to engineers....to chefs and plumbers.   Fake it till you make it.... and ask lots of questions","human_ref_B":"If you look into a design\/solution you've made a year ago and you have more to add to it\/slightly ashamed of your signature on it, it means you're growing and your boss's plan to invest in you because of your potential has worked well and is paying back.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":426.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"jkcyps","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"I started my first full time position out of college a few months ago and I feel like I\u2019m completely incompetent at my job. Is this normal? Or is there something I should do differently? I am a recent ME grad (\u201820) and I got a job at a small manufacturing company. I have gone through a few smaller projects and handled them okay, but not great. Now I\u2019m onto a pretty complex, multi-layered project and I feel completely lost. I\u2019ve had several design reviews with my boss this week and every time I walk away from them feeling like an idiot because of oversights or dumb mistakes I make. Has anyone else had an experience like this?","c_root_id_A":"gajn5bj","c_root_id_B":"gajdnv0","created_at_utc_A":1604013096,"created_at_utc_B":1604008149,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Imposter syndrome is a real thing and it sucks. If it's something beyond that and you really are sinking, please don't be afraid to ask for help. Your company may be annoyed at having to shift resources, but they will be a lot more frustrated if things come crashing down. If your superiors scoff at an engineer asking for some help, you may want to keep your eyes on the job listings.","human_ref_B":"Hint....everyone\u2019s incompetent at their jobs when new.  From doctors, to engineers....to chefs and plumbers.   Fake it till you make it.... and ask lots of questions","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4947.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"jkcyps","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"I started my first full time position out of college a few months ago and I feel like I\u2019m completely incompetent at my job. Is this normal? Or is there something I should do differently? I am a recent ME grad (\u201820) and I got a job at a small manufacturing company. I have gone through a few smaller projects and handled them okay, but not great. Now I\u2019m onto a pretty complex, multi-layered project and I feel completely lost. I\u2019ve had several design reviews with my boss this week and every time I walk away from them feeling like an idiot because of oversights or dumb mistakes I make. Has anyone else had an experience like this?","c_root_id_A":"gajh59p","c_root_id_B":"gajn5bj","created_at_utc_A":1604009924,"created_at_utc_B":1604013096,"score_A":2,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019m 6 months into my first job too and I feel like an absolute idiot every day. Less so than when I started but when I listen to some of the more senior engineers talk about stuff it still feels like I\u2019ll never know that much. I did well on my first performance review tho so I\u2019m pretty sure they expect fresh grads to be useless for their first year or so.","human_ref_B":"Imposter syndrome is a real thing and it sucks. If it's something beyond that and you really are sinking, please don't be afraid to ask for help. Your company may be annoyed at having to shift resources, but they will be a lot more frustrated if things come crashing down. If your superiors scoff at an engineer asking for some help, you may want to keep your eyes on the job listings.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3172.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"jkcyps","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"I started my first full time position out of college a few months ago and I feel like I\u2019m completely incompetent at my job. Is this normal? Or is there something I should do differently? I am a recent ME grad (\u201820) and I got a job at a small manufacturing company. I have gone through a few smaller projects and handled them okay, but not great. Now I\u2019m onto a pretty complex, multi-layered project and I feel completely lost. I\u2019ve had several design reviews with my boss this week and every time I walk away from them feeling like an idiot because of oversights or dumb mistakes I make. Has anyone else had an experience like this?","c_root_id_A":"gajhkzn","c_root_id_B":"gajn5bj","created_at_utc_A":1604010149,"created_at_utc_B":1604013096,"score_A":2,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Good luck, everyone has to eventually get thrown in the deep end to learn.  Don't be afraid to ask questions.","human_ref_B":"Imposter syndrome is a real thing and it sucks. If it's something beyond that and you really are sinking, please don't be afraid to ask for help. Your company may be annoyed at having to shift resources, but they will be a lot more frustrated if things come crashing down. If your superiors scoff at an engineer asking for some help, you may want to keep your eyes on the job listings.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2947.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"jkcyps","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"I started my first full time position out of college a few months ago and I feel like I\u2019m completely incompetent at my job. Is this normal? Or is there something I should do differently? I am a recent ME grad (\u201820) and I got a job at a small manufacturing company. I have gone through a few smaller projects and handled them okay, but not great. Now I\u2019m onto a pretty complex, multi-layered project and I feel completely lost. I\u2019ve had several design reviews with my boss this week and every time I walk away from them feeling like an idiot because of oversights or dumb mistakes I make. Has anyone else had an experience like this?","c_root_id_A":"gajs0rz","c_root_id_B":"gajh59p","created_at_utc_A":1604015736,"created_at_utc_B":1604009924,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I am literally in the same spot as you right now and what I think it is is not being organized enough. What I am trying to do is keep better notes about what I am doing and about the project. It seems like every time I make a dumb mistake, it could have been avoided by keeping better track of things.","human_ref_B":"I\u2019m 6 months into my first job too and I feel like an absolute idiot every day. Less so than when I started but when I listen to some of the more senior engineers talk about stuff it still feels like I\u2019ll never know that much. I did well on my first performance review tho so I\u2019m pretty sure they expect fresh grads to be useless for their first year or so.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5812.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"jkcyps","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"I started my first full time position out of college a few months ago and I feel like I\u2019m completely incompetent at my job. Is this normal? Or is there something I should do differently? I am a recent ME grad (\u201820) and I got a job at a small manufacturing company. I have gone through a few smaller projects and handled them okay, but not great. Now I\u2019m onto a pretty complex, multi-layered project and I feel completely lost. I\u2019ve had several design reviews with my boss this week and every time I walk away from them feeling like an idiot because of oversights or dumb mistakes I make. Has anyone else had an experience like this?","c_root_id_A":"gajs0rz","c_root_id_B":"gajhkzn","created_at_utc_A":1604015736,"created_at_utc_B":1604010149,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I am literally in the same spot as you right now and what I think it is is not being organized enough. What I am trying to do is keep better notes about what I am doing and about the project. It seems like every time I make a dumb mistake, it could have been avoided by keeping better track of things.","human_ref_B":"Good luck, everyone has to eventually get thrown in the deep end to learn.  Don't be afraid to ask questions.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5587.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"mtywan","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Any Engineers here work in Recycling plants? I'm curious how the recycling process is affected when items are dirty or include non-recyclable parts? I'm a Mechanical Engineer but I've zero knowledge on how good recycling plants are at processing things.  Many of the things I recycle, like packets of sliced meat, will have a non-recyclable film.  If this isn't removed from the packet - how does that affect the process?  Is there a way of filtering that stuff out by density or something?  Similarly, what about things like glass jars that haven't been washed out - like a jar half full of solid coconut oil.  Is everything just smashed down into small bits and washed together?  Given our current environment issues with plastic and recycling, it would be great to know how negatively the above affects the entire process.  I'm optimistically assuming we have a good way of dealing with it given I haven't seen my local authority making a big deal of it ever.","c_root_id_A":"gv2lwt3","c_root_id_B":"gv2q3ar","created_at_utc_A":1618833856,"created_at_utc_B":1618836400,"score_A":92,"score_B":104,"human_ref_A":"I don\u2019t work in recycling but I did learn a bit about glass sorting\/recycling at one point.  As far as separating other recyclables from glass they use a combination of magnetic and eddy current based technologies to separate ferrous and non ferrous metals. They can use float tanks to separate anything less dense than water (plastics mainly).  But beyond that idk mush about the process either I\u2019ve always been told that greasy cardboard is trash because it can foul up the chemistry in the recycling process, which I believe having worked in a paper mill that used cardboard as feedstock to make brown paper towels.","human_ref_B":"I work as an intern in a cardboard recycling plant. As for non-fibrous materials, we use a lot of devices called hydrocyclones to separate materials based on density, as well as a lot of screens to filter by physical size\/particle orientation. As others have mentioned, a lot of grease in the board can swell fibers and make them harder to use, or cause the formation of \u201cstickies\u201d on felts and rollers, which can cause paper or felt tears. However, a few pizza boxes won\u2019t destroy an entire batch, at least according to the process engineers. We get some really messy crap coming in, I\u2019ve found chunks of glass in samples taken from screens and the like, and apparently they\u2019ve been shipped loads that have dead animals. Generally as long as the hydrocyclones and screens are running right, we have no problem filtering stuff out after the stuff is repulped. Larger stuff (like the aforementioned carcasses) can be picked out manually before the pulper.   If you want more information there\u2019s some textbooks on paper recycling due to the large amount of equipment unique to paper production.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2544.0,"score_ratio":1.1304347826}
{"post_id":"mtywan","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Any Engineers here work in Recycling plants? I'm curious how the recycling process is affected when items are dirty or include non-recyclable parts? I'm a Mechanical Engineer but I've zero knowledge on how good recycling plants are at processing things.  Many of the things I recycle, like packets of sliced meat, will have a non-recyclable film.  If this isn't removed from the packet - how does that affect the process?  Is there a way of filtering that stuff out by density or something?  Similarly, what about things like glass jars that haven't been washed out - like a jar half full of solid coconut oil.  Is everything just smashed down into small bits and washed together?  Given our current environment issues with plastic and recycling, it would be great to know how negatively the above affects the entire process.  I'm optimistically assuming we have a good way of dealing with it given I haven't seen my local authority making a big deal of it ever.","c_root_id_A":"gv2q3ar","c_root_id_B":"gv2oyt0","created_at_utc_A":1618836400,"created_at_utc_B":1618835754,"score_A":104,"score_B":49,"human_ref_A":"I work as an intern in a cardboard recycling plant. As for non-fibrous materials, we use a lot of devices called hydrocyclones to separate materials based on density, as well as a lot of screens to filter by physical size\/particle orientation. As others have mentioned, a lot of grease in the board can swell fibers and make them harder to use, or cause the formation of \u201cstickies\u201d on felts and rollers, which can cause paper or felt tears. However, a few pizza boxes won\u2019t destroy an entire batch, at least according to the process engineers. We get some really messy crap coming in, I\u2019ve found chunks of glass in samples taken from screens and the like, and apparently they\u2019ve been shipped loads that have dead animals. Generally as long as the hydrocyclones and screens are running right, we have no problem filtering stuff out after the stuff is repulped. Larger stuff (like the aforementioned carcasses) can be picked out manually before the pulper.   If you want more information there\u2019s some textbooks on paper recycling due to the large amount of equipment unique to paper production.","human_ref_B":"I'd love for there to be more discussion on this, but this can't be the best subreddit for attracting the people who know the most about it.  I suspect, though, that you are doing more harm than good putting your sandwich meat and coconut oil in the recycling.  I'm near-certain that stuff is going to get pulled out, by a human, and put in the waste pile to go to a landfill.  I've seen various news programs and documentaries that discuss the problems with recycling.  Most plastics, for instance, despite being labeled with the three arrows and their number, aren't recycled.  Things that used to be recyclable aren't any longer, since China has banned mixed plastics imports.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":646.0,"score_ratio":2.1224489796}
{"post_id":"mtywan","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Any Engineers here work in Recycling plants? I'm curious how the recycling process is affected when items are dirty or include non-recyclable parts? I'm a Mechanical Engineer but I've zero knowledge on how good recycling plants are at processing things.  Many of the things I recycle, like packets of sliced meat, will have a non-recyclable film.  If this isn't removed from the packet - how does that affect the process?  Is there a way of filtering that stuff out by density or something?  Similarly, what about things like glass jars that haven't been washed out - like a jar half full of solid coconut oil.  Is everything just smashed down into small bits and washed together?  Given our current environment issues with plastic and recycling, it would be great to know how negatively the above affects the entire process.  I'm optimistically assuming we have a good way of dealing with it given I haven't seen my local authority making a big deal of it ever.","c_root_id_A":"gv2q3ar","c_root_id_B":"gv2p984","created_at_utc_A":1618836400,"created_at_utc_B":1618835922,"score_A":104,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"I work as an intern in a cardboard recycling plant. As for non-fibrous materials, we use a lot of devices called hydrocyclones to separate materials based on density, as well as a lot of screens to filter by physical size\/particle orientation. As others have mentioned, a lot of grease in the board can swell fibers and make them harder to use, or cause the formation of \u201cstickies\u201d on felts and rollers, which can cause paper or felt tears. However, a few pizza boxes won\u2019t destroy an entire batch, at least according to the process engineers. We get some really messy crap coming in, I\u2019ve found chunks of glass in samples taken from screens and the like, and apparently they\u2019ve been shipped loads that have dead animals. Generally as long as the hydrocyclones and screens are running right, we have no problem filtering stuff out after the stuff is repulped. Larger stuff (like the aforementioned carcasses) can be picked out manually before the pulper.   If you want more information there\u2019s some textbooks on paper recycling due to the large amount of equipment unique to paper production.","human_ref_B":"I'm not a recycling expert myself, but a Wisconsin recycling center has a TikTok showing a lot of the machines and mishaps that can happen. This one shows the glass rotary trommel:  https:\/\/vm.tiktok.com\/ZMe9MyhFU\/  It's a bit more tongue in cheek and PSA-like than you're probably looking for, but I thought I'd share.  Much of the contamination is \"caught\" during the pre-screening process, which is typically done by hand.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":478.0,"score_ratio":6.1176470588}
{"post_id":"mtywan","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Any Engineers here work in Recycling plants? I'm curious how the recycling process is affected when items are dirty or include non-recyclable parts? I'm a Mechanical Engineer but I've zero knowledge on how good recycling plants are at processing things.  Many of the things I recycle, like packets of sliced meat, will have a non-recyclable film.  If this isn't removed from the packet - how does that affect the process?  Is there a way of filtering that stuff out by density or something?  Similarly, what about things like glass jars that haven't been washed out - like a jar half full of solid coconut oil.  Is everything just smashed down into small bits and washed together?  Given our current environment issues with plastic and recycling, it would be great to know how negatively the above affects the entire process.  I'm optimistically assuming we have a good way of dealing with it given I haven't seen my local authority making a big deal of it ever.","c_root_id_A":"gv2ogzb","c_root_id_B":"gv2q3ar","created_at_utc_A":1618835463,"created_at_utc_B":1618836400,"score_A":13,"score_B":104,"human_ref_A":"Good question, I am also very curious, I can confirm though that at most plants, indeed sorting is done by hand.   1 thing I also know that the trash goes through a sieve, so really small stuff does not even get sorted, just go str8 to the landfill. (makes sense so the personell does not have to bother with small stuff)  This is the main reason plastic bottle caps should be collected sperately, they also worth more.","human_ref_B":"I work as an intern in a cardboard recycling plant. As for non-fibrous materials, we use a lot of devices called hydrocyclones to separate materials based on density, as well as a lot of screens to filter by physical size\/particle orientation. As others have mentioned, a lot of grease in the board can swell fibers and make them harder to use, or cause the formation of \u201cstickies\u201d on felts and rollers, which can cause paper or felt tears. However, a few pizza boxes won\u2019t destroy an entire batch, at least according to the process engineers. We get some really messy crap coming in, I\u2019ve found chunks of glass in samples taken from screens and the like, and apparently they\u2019ve been shipped loads that have dead animals. Generally as long as the hydrocyclones and screens are running right, we have no problem filtering stuff out after the stuff is repulped. Larger stuff (like the aforementioned carcasses) can be picked out manually before the pulper.   If you want more information there\u2019s some textbooks on paper recycling due to the large amount of equipment unique to paper production.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":937.0,"score_ratio":8.0}
{"post_id":"mtywan","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Any Engineers here work in Recycling plants? I'm curious how the recycling process is affected when items are dirty or include non-recyclable parts? I'm a Mechanical Engineer but I've zero knowledge on how good recycling plants are at processing things.  Many of the things I recycle, like packets of sliced meat, will have a non-recyclable film.  If this isn't removed from the packet - how does that affect the process?  Is there a way of filtering that stuff out by density or something?  Similarly, what about things like glass jars that haven't been washed out - like a jar half full of solid coconut oil.  Is everything just smashed down into small bits and washed together?  Given our current environment issues with plastic and recycling, it would be great to know how negatively the above affects the entire process.  I'm optimistically assuming we have a good way of dealing with it given I haven't seen my local authority making a big deal of it ever.","c_root_id_A":"gv2q3ar","c_root_id_B":"gv2pf9e","created_at_utc_A":1618836400,"created_at_utc_B":1618836018,"score_A":104,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"I work as an intern in a cardboard recycling plant. As for non-fibrous materials, we use a lot of devices called hydrocyclones to separate materials based on density, as well as a lot of screens to filter by physical size\/particle orientation. As others have mentioned, a lot of grease in the board can swell fibers and make them harder to use, or cause the formation of \u201cstickies\u201d on felts and rollers, which can cause paper or felt tears. However, a few pizza boxes won\u2019t destroy an entire batch, at least according to the process engineers. We get some really messy crap coming in, I\u2019ve found chunks of glass in samples taken from screens and the like, and apparently they\u2019ve been shipped loads that have dead animals. Generally as long as the hydrocyclones and screens are running right, we have no problem filtering stuff out after the stuff is repulped. Larger stuff (like the aforementioned carcasses) can be picked out manually before the pulper.   If you want more information there\u2019s some textbooks on paper recycling due to the large amount of equipment unique to paper production.","human_ref_B":"Here is a poster that will help answer some of your questions.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":382.0,"score_ratio":17.3333333333}
{"post_id":"mtywan","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Any Engineers here work in Recycling plants? I'm curious how the recycling process is affected when items are dirty or include non-recyclable parts? I'm a Mechanical Engineer but I've zero knowledge on how good recycling plants are at processing things.  Many of the things I recycle, like packets of sliced meat, will have a non-recyclable film.  If this isn't removed from the packet - how does that affect the process?  Is there a way of filtering that stuff out by density or something?  Similarly, what about things like glass jars that haven't been washed out - like a jar half full of solid coconut oil.  Is everything just smashed down into small bits and washed together?  Given our current environment issues with plastic and recycling, it would be great to know how negatively the above affects the entire process.  I'm optimistically assuming we have a good way of dealing with it given I haven't seen my local authority making a big deal of it ever.","c_root_id_A":"gv2pone","c_root_id_B":"gv2q3ar","created_at_utc_A":1618836169,"created_at_utc_B":1618836400,"score_A":6,"score_B":104,"human_ref_A":"There's a lot of good information online about the effectiveness of recycling and \"wish-cycling.\" People contaminate batches of material by throwing things in that aren't recyclable. And since China stopped buying our recycled materials, a significant amount ends up in landfills, but I believe paper\/cardboard and steel products are still somewhat recycled.","human_ref_B":"I work as an intern in a cardboard recycling plant. As for non-fibrous materials, we use a lot of devices called hydrocyclones to separate materials based on density, as well as a lot of screens to filter by physical size\/particle orientation. As others have mentioned, a lot of grease in the board can swell fibers and make them harder to use, or cause the formation of \u201cstickies\u201d on felts and rollers, which can cause paper or felt tears. However, a few pizza boxes won\u2019t destroy an entire batch, at least according to the process engineers. We get some really messy crap coming in, I\u2019ve found chunks of glass in samples taken from screens and the like, and apparently they\u2019ve been shipped loads that have dead animals. Generally as long as the hydrocyclones and screens are running right, we have no problem filtering stuff out after the stuff is repulped. Larger stuff (like the aforementioned carcasses) can be picked out manually before the pulper.   If you want more information there\u2019s some textbooks on paper recycling due to the large amount of equipment unique to paper production.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":231.0,"score_ratio":17.3333333333}
{"post_id":"mtywan","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Any Engineers here work in Recycling plants? I'm curious how the recycling process is affected when items are dirty or include non-recyclable parts? I'm a Mechanical Engineer but I've zero knowledge on how good recycling plants are at processing things.  Many of the things I recycle, like packets of sliced meat, will have a non-recyclable film.  If this isn't removed from the packet - how does that affect the process?  Is there a way of filtering that stuff out by density or something?  Similarly, what about things like glass jars that haven't been washed out - like a jar half full of solid coconut oil.  Is everything just smashed down into small bits and washed together?  Given our current environment issues with plastic and recycling, it would be great to know how negatively the above affects the entire process.  I'm optimistically assuming we have a good way of dealing with it given I haven't seen my local authority making a big deal of it ever.","c_root_id_A":"gv2oyt0","c_root_id_B":"gv2ogzb","created_at_utc_A":1618835754,"created_at_utc_B":1618835463,"score_A":49,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"I'd love for there to be more discussion on this, but this can't be the best subreddit for attracting the people who know the most about it.  I suspect, though, that you are doing more harm than good putting your sandwich meat and coconut oil in the recycling.  I'm near-certain that stuff is going to get pulled out, by a human, and put in the waste pile to go to a landfill.  I've seen various news programs and documentaries that discuss the problems with recycling.  Most plastics, for instance, despite being labeled with the three arrows and their number, aren't recycled.  Things that used to be recyclable aren't any longer, since China has banned mixed plastics imports.","human_ref_B":"Good question, I am also very curious, I can confirm though that at most plants, indeed sorting is done by hand.   1 thing I also know that the trash goes through a sieve, so really small stuff does not even get sorted, just go str8 to the landfill. (makes sense so the personell does not have to bother with small stuff)  This is the main reason plastic bottle caps should be collected sperately, they also worth more.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":291.0,"score_ratio":3.7692307692}
{"post_id":"mtywan","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Any Engineers here work in Recycling plants? I'm curious how the recycling process is affected when items are dirty or include non-recyclable parts? I'm a Mechanical Engineer but I've zero knowledge on how good recycling plants are at processing things.  Many of the things I recycle, like packets of sliced meat, will have a non-recyclable film.  If this isn't removed from the packet - how does that affect the process?  Is there a way of filtering that stuff out by density or something?  Similarly, what about things like glass jars that haven't been washed out - like a jar half full of solid coconut oil.  Is everything just smashed down into small bits and washed together?  Given our current environment issues with plastic and recycling, it would be great to know how negatively the above affects the entire process.  I'm optimistically assuming we have a good way of dealing with it given I haven't seen my local authority making a big deal of it ever.","c_root_id_A":"gv2p984","c_root_id_B":"gv2ti4h","created_at_utc_A":1618835922,"created_at_utc_B":1618838254,"score_A":17,"score_B":29,"human_ref_A":"I'm not a recycling expert myself, but a Wisconsin recycling center has a TikTok showing a lot of the machines and mishaps that can happen. This one shows the glass rotary trommel:  https:\/\/vm.tiktok.com\/ZMe9MyhFU\/  It's a bit more tongue in cheek and PSA-like than you're probably looking for, but I thought I'd share.  Much of the contamination is \"caught\" during the pre-screening process, which is typically done by hand.","human_ref_B":"If it's not metal or paper, it's basically trash.  Aluminum is worth it to recycle, that's why they give you money back to bring it in.  Consigned glass gets washed and re-used as is.  Plastic recycling is pretty much just to make us \"feel good\" but in reality it's complet environmental shit.  Sorry for being half-off topic.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2332.0,"score_ratio":1.7058823529}
{"post_id":"mtywan","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Any Engineers here work in Recycling plants? I'm curious how the recycling process is affected when items are dirty or include non-recyclable parts? I'm a Mechanical Engineer but I've zero knowledge on how good recycling plants are at processing things.  Many of the things I recycle, like packets of sliced meat, will have a non-recyclable film.  If this isn't removed from the packet - how does that affect the process?  Is there a way of filtering that stuff out by density or something?  Similarly, what about things like glass jars that haven't been washed out - like a jar half full of solid coconut oil.  Is everything just smashed down into small bits and washed together?  Given our current environment issues with plastic and recycling, it would be great to know how negatively the above affects the entire process.  I'm optimistically assuming we have a good way of dealing with it given I haven't seen my local authority making a big deal of it ever.","c_root_id_A":"gv2ogzb","c_root_id_B":"gv2ti4h","created_at_utc_A":1618835463,"created_at_utc_B":1618838254,"score_A":13,"score_B":29,"human_ref_A":"Good question, I am also very curious, I can confirm though that at most plants, indeed sorting is done by hand.   1 thing I also know that the trash goes through a sieve, so really small stuff does not even get sorted, just go str8 to the landfill. (makes sense so the personell does not have to bother with small stuff)  This is the main reason plastic bottle caps should be collected sperately, they also worth more.","human_ref_B":"If it's not metal or paper, it's basically trash.  Aluminum is worth it to recycle, that's why they give you money back to bring it in.  Consigned glass gets washed and re-used as is.  Plastic recycling is pretty much just to make us \"feel good\" but in reality it's complet environmental shit.  Sorry for being half-off topic.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2791.0,"score_ratio":2.2307692308}
{"post_id":"mtywan","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Any Engineers here work in Recycling plants? I'm curious how the recycling process is affected when items are dirty or include non-recyclable parts? I'm a Mechanical Engineer but I've zero knowledge on how good recycling plants are at processing things.  Many of the things I recycle, like packets of sliced meat, will have a non-recyclable film.  If this isn't removed from the packet - how does that affect the process?  Is there a way of filtering that stuff out by density or something?  Similarly, what about things like glass jars that haven't been washed out - like a jar half full of solid coconut oil.  Is everything just smashed down into small bits and washed together?  Given our current environment issues with plastic and recycling, it would be great to know how negatively the above affects the entire process.  I'm optimistically assuming we have a good way of dealing with it given I haven't seen my local authority making a big deal of it ever.","c_root_id_A":"gv2pf9e","c_root_id_B":"gv2ti4h","created_at_utc_A":1618836018,"created_at_utc_B":1618838254,"score_A":6,"score_B":29,"human_ref_A":"Here is a poster that will help answer some of your questions.","human_ref_B":"If it's not metal or paper, it's basically trash.  Aluminum is worth it to recycle, that's why they give you money back to bring it in.  Consigned glass gets washed and re-used as is.  Plastic recycling is pretty much just to make us \"feel good\" but in reality it's complet environmental shit.  Sorry for being half-off topic.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2236.0,"score_ratio":4.8333333333}
{"post_id":"mtywan","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Any Engineers here work in Recycling plants? I'm curious how the recycling process is affected when items are dirty or include non-recyclable parts? I'm a Mechanical Engineer but I've zero knowledge on how good recycling plants are at processing things.  Many of the things I recycle, like packets of sliced meat, will have a non-recyclable film.  If this isn't removed from the packet - how does that affect the process?  Is there a way of filtering that stuff out by density or something?  Similarly, what about things like glass jars that haven't been washed out - like a jar half full of solid coconut oil.  Is everything just smashed down into small bits and washed together?  Given our current environment issues with plastic and recycling, it would be great to know how negatively the above affects the entire process.  I'm optimistically assuming we have a good way of dealing with it given I haven't seen my local authority making a big deal of it ever.","c_root_id_A":"gv2pone","c_root_id_B":"gv2ti4h","created_at_utc_A":1618836169,"created_at_utc_B":1618838254,"score_A":6,"score_B":29,"human_ref_A":"There's a lot of good information online about the effectiveness of recycling and \"wish-cycling.\" People contaminate batches of material by throwing things in that aren't recyclable. And since China stopped buying our recycled materials, a significant amount ends up in landfills, but I believe paper\/cardboard and steel products are still somewhat recycled.","human_ref_B":"If it's not metal or paper, it's basically trash.  Aluminum is worth it to recycle, that's why they give you money back to bring it in.  Consigned glass gets washed and re-used as is.  Plastic recycling is pretty much just to make us \"feel good\" but in reality it's complet environmental shit.  Sorry for being half-off topic.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2085.0,"score_ratio":4.8333333333}
{"post_id":"mtywan","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Any Engineers here work in Recycling plants? I'm curious how the recycling process is affected when items are dirty or include non-recyclable parts? I'm a Mechanical Engineer but I've zero knowledge on how good recycling plants are at processing things.  Many of the things I recycle, like packets of sliced meat, will have a non-recyclable film.  If this isn't removed from the packet - how does that affect the process?  Is there a way of filtering that stuff out by density or something?  Similarly, what about things like glass jars that haven't been washed out - like a jar half full of solid coconut oil.  Is everything just smashed down into small bits and washed together?  Given our current environment issues with plastic and recycling, it would be great to know how negatively the above affects the entire process.  I'm optimistically assuming we have a good way of dealing with it given I haven't seen my local authority making a big deal of it ever.","c_root_id_A":"gv2ogzb","c_root_id_B":"gv2p984","created_at_utc_A":1618835463,"created_at_utc_B":1618835922,"score_A":13,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"Good question, I am also very curious, I can confirm though that at most plants, indeed sorting is done by hand.   1 thing I also know that the trash goes through a sieve, so really small stuff does not even get sorted, just go str8 to the landfill. (makes sense so the personell does not have to bother with small stuff)  This is the main reason plastic bottle caps should be collected sperately, they also worth more.","human_ref_B":"I'm not a recycling expert myself, but a Wisconsin recycling center has a TikTok showing a lot of the machines and mishaps that can happen. This one shows the glass rotary trommel:  https:\/\/vm.tiktok.com\/ZMe9MyhFU\/  It's a bit more tongue in cheek and PSA-like than you're probably looking for, but I thought I'd share.  Much of the contamination is \"caught\" during the pre-screening process, which is typically done by hand.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":459.0,"score_ratio":1.3076923077}
{"post_id":"mtywan","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Any Engineers here work in Recycling plants? I'm curious how the recycling process is affected when items are dirty or include non-recyclable parts? I'm a Mechanical Engineer but I've zero knowledge on how good recycling plants are at processing things.  Many of the things I recycle, like packets of sliced meat, will have a non-recyclable film.  If this isn't removed from the packet - how does that affect the process?  Is there a way of filtering that stuff out by density or something?  Similarly, what about things like glass jars that haven't been washed out - like a jar half full of solid coconut oil.  Is everything just smashed down into small bits and washed together?  Given our current environment issues with plastic and recycling, it would be great to know how negatively the above affects the entire process.  I'm optimistically assuming we have a good way of dealing with it given I haven't seen my local authority making a big deal of it ever.","c_root_id_A":"gv2tix0","c_root_id_B":"gv2pf9e","created_at_utc_A":1618838266,"created_at_utc_B":1618836018,"score_A":12,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"This is how the sorting is done. The part they missed in the video is that the whole truck load is taken to landfill if there is too much contamination, especially from organic matter.","human_ref_B":"Here is a poster that will help answer some of your questions.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2248.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"mtywan","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Any Engineers here work in Recycling plants? I'm curious how the recycling process is affected when items are dirty or include non-recyclable parts? I'm a Mechanical Engineer but I've zero knowledge on how good recycling plants are at processing things.  Many of the things I recycle, like packets of sliced meat, will have a non-recyclable film.  If this isn't removed from the packet - how does that affect the process?  Is there a way of filtering that stuff out by density or something?  Similarly, what about things like glass jars that haven't been washed out - like a jar half full of solid coconut oil.  Is everything just smashed down into small bits and washed together?  Given our current environment issues with plastic and recycling, it would be great to know how negatively the above affects the entire process.  I'm optimistically assuming we have a good way of dealing with it given I haven't seen my local authority making a big deal of it ever.","c_root_id_A":"gv2tix0","c_root_id_B":"gv2pone","created_at_utc_A":1618838266,"created_at_utc_B":1618836169,"score_A":12,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"This is how the sorting is done. The part they missed in the video is that the whole truck load is taken to landfill if there is too much contamination, especially from organic matter.","human_ref_B":"There's a lot of good information online about the effectiveness of recycling and \"wish-cycling.\" People contaminate batches of material by throwing things in that aren't recyclable. And since China stopped buying our recycled materials, a significant amount ends up in landfills, but I believe paper\/cardboard and steel products are still somewhat recycled.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2097.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"mtywan","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Any Engineers here work in Recycling plants? I'm curious how the recycling process is affected when items are dirty or include non-recyclable parts? I'm a Mechanical Engineer but I've zero knowledge on how good recycling plants are at processing things.  Many of the things I recycle, like packets of sliced meat, will have a non-recyclable film.  If this isn't removed from the packet - how does that affect the process?  Is there a way of filtering that stuff out by density or something?  Similarly, what about things like glass jars that haven't been washed out - like a jar half full of solid coconut oil.  Is everything just smashed down into small bits and washed together?  Given our current environment issues with plastic and recycling, it would be great to know how negatively the above affects the entire process.  I'm optimistically assuming we have a good way of dealing with it given I haven't seen my local authority making a big deal of it ever.","c_root_id_A":"gv2pf9e","c_root_id_B":"gv319ea","created_at_utc_A":1618836018,"created_at_utc_B":1618842033,"score_A":6,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"Here is a poster that will help answer some of your questions.","human_ref_B":"Yes, those things are contributing to the stellar US recycling statistics.   Only 33% of glass is recycled into glass because it's dirty, tinted, or not near a glassmaker buying cullet. They sell more as crushed aggregate instead.   Whole PET and HDPE bottles are baled and shipped sorted, most of the rest is garbage. If liquid density sorting of plastics were widely used then granules containing multiple polymers, polymer blends, or copolymers would effectively be contaminants in the process.   Metals are the only items that can be sorted reliably and reprocessed with contaminants. Please don't throw your cans in the trash.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6015.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"mtywan","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Any Engineers here work in Recycling plants? I'm curious how the recycling process is affected when items are dirty or include non-recyclable parts? I'm a Mechanical Engineer but I've zero knowledge on how good recycling plants are at processing things.  Many of the things I recycle, like packets of sliced meat, will have a non-recyclable film.  If this isn't removed from the packet - how does that affect the process?  Is there a way of filtering that stuff out by density or something?  Similarly, what about things like glass jars that haven't been washed out - like a jar half full of solid coconut oil.  Is everything just smashed down into small bits and washed together?  Given our current environment issues with plastic and recycling, it would be great to know how negatively the above affects the entire process.  I'm optimistically assuming we have a good way of dealing with it given I haven't seen my local authority making a big deal of it ever.","c_root_id_A":"gv2pone","c_root_id_B":"gv319ea","created_at_utc_A":1618836169,"created_at_utc_B":1618842033,"score_A":6,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"There's a lot of good information online about the effectiveness of recycling and \"wish-cycling.\" People contaminate batches of material by throwing things in that aren't recyclable. And since China stopped buying our recycled materials, a significant amount ends up in landfills, but I believe paper\/cardboard and steel products are still somewhat recycled.","human_ref_B":"Yes, those things are contributing to the stellar US recycling statistics.   Only 33% of glass is recycled into glass because it's dirty, tinted, or not near a glassmaker buying cullet. They sell more as crushed aggregate instead.   Whole PET and HDPE bottles are baled and shipped sorted, most of the rest is garbage. If liquid density sorting of plastics were widely used then granules containing multiple polymers, polymer blends, or copolymers would effectively be contaminants in the process.   Metals are the only items that can be sorted reliably and reprocessed with contaminants. Please don't throw your cans in the trash.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5864.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"mtywan","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Any Engineers here work in Recycling plants? I'm curious how the recycling process is affected when items are dirty or include non-recyclable parts? I'm a Mechanical Engineer but I've zero knowledge on how good recycling plants are at processing things.  Many of the things I recycle, like packets of sliced meat, will have a non-recyclable film.  If this isn't removed from the packet - how does that affect the process?  Is there a way of filtering that stuff out by density or something?  Similarly, what about things like glass jars that haven't been washed out - like a jar half full of solid coconut oil.  Is everything just smashed down into small bits and washed together?  Given our current environment issues with plastic and recycling, it would be great to know how negatively the above affects the entire process.  I'm optimistically assuming we have a good way of dealing with it given I haven't seen my local authority making a big deal of it ever.","c_root_id_A":"gv308au","c_root_id_B":"gv319ea","created_at_utc_A":1618841562,"created_at_utc_B":1618842033,"score_A":3,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"My capstone project was with an aluminum recycling plant.  As I recall it was a combination of shaking the stuff, magnets, and burning via the preheating before it actually went to the furnace.","human_ref_B":"Yes, those things are contributing to the stellar US recycling statistics.   Only 33% of glass is recycled into glass because it's dirty, tinted, or not near a glassmaker buying cullet. They sell more as crushed aggregate instead.   Whole PET and HDPE bottles are baled and shipped sorted, most of the rest is garbage. If liquid density sorting of plastics were widely used then granules containing multiple polymers, polymer blends, or copolymers would effectively be contaminants in the process.   Metals are the only items that can be sorted reliably and reprocessed with contaminants. Please don't throw your cans in the trash.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":471.0,"score_ratio":3.3333333333}
{"post_id":"mtywan","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Any Engineers here work in Recycling plants? I'm curious how the recycling process is affected when items are dirty or include non-recyclable parts? I'm a Mechanical Engineer but I've zero knowledge on how good recycling plants are at processing things.  Many of the things I recycle, like packets of sliced meat, will have a non-recyclable film.  If this isn't removed from the packet - how does that affect the process?  Is there a way of filtering that stuff out by density or something?  Similarly, what about things like glass jars that haven't been washed out - like a jar half full of solid coconut oil.  Is everything just smashed down into small bits and washed together?  Given our current environment issues with plastic and recycling, it would be great to know how negatively the above affects the entire process.  I'm optimistically assuming we have a good way of dealing with it given I haven't seen my local authority making a big deal of it ever.","c_root_id_A":"gv2pf9e","c_root_id_B":"gv3f39h","created_at_utc_A":1618836018,"created_at_utc_B":1618848008,"score_A":6,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"Here is a poster that will help answer some of your questions.","human_ref_B":"They scrap batches if they are contaminated to the point of it no longer being cost effective to sort. States and counties have different material collection procedures in place and standards. When it comes to recycling plastic that sadly is one of the biggest piles of trash people have been fed for decades. Not to say that plastics never gets recycled.   The world of recycling and waste management has a lot of protected information from the public. It's pretty bad. There is one really interesting NPR coverage of how polluted the actual practice of recycling plastic really is. I'll find it and comment to this response.   However not to say that it's impossible to apply the whole Reduce, Reuse, Recycle into over-drive to manage plastic waste. There are not enough incentives\/benefits for plastic recycling as of now. It especially sucks that China no longer wants our plastic scraps. I am a Materials Science and Engineer who has been researching plastic recycling and waste management. It can be quite depressing when you truly sift and sort through all of it.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11990.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"mtywan","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Any Engineers here work in Recycling plants? I'm curious how the recycling process is affected when items are dirty or include non-recyclable parts? I'm a Mechanical Engineer but I've zero knowledge on how good recycling plants are at processing things.  Many of the things I recycle, like packets of sliced meat, will have a non-recyclable film.  If this isn't removed from the packet - how does that affect the process?  Is there a way of filtering that stuff out by density or something?  Similarly, what about things like glass jars that haven't been washed out - like a jar half full of solid coconut oil.  Is everything just smashed down into small bits and washed together?  Given our current environment issues with plastic and recycling, it would be great to know how negatively the above affects the entire process.  I'm optimistically assuming we have a good way of dealing with it given I haven't seen my local authority making a big deal of it ever.","c_root_id_A":"gv2pone","c_root_id_B":"gv3f39h","created_at_utc_A":1618836169,"created_at_utc_B":1618848008,"score_A":6,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"There's a lot of good information online about the effectiveness of recycling and \"wish-cycling.\" People contaminate batches of material by throwing things in that aren't recyclable. And since China stopped buying our recycled materials, a significant amount ends up in landfills, but I believe paper\/cardboard and steel products are still somewhat recycled.","human_ref_B":"They scrap batches if they are contaminated to the point of it no longer being cost effective to sort. States and counties have different material collection procedures in place and standards. When it comes to recycling plastic that sadly is one of the biggest piles of trash people have been fed for decades. Not to say that plastics never gets recycled.   The world of recycling and waste management has a lot of protected information from the public. It's pretty bad. There is one really interesting NPR coverage of how polluted the actual practice of recycling plastic really is. I'll find it and comment to this response.   However not to say that it's impossible to apply the whole Reduce, Reuse, Recycle into over-drive to manage plastic waste. There are not enough incentives\/benefits for plastic recycling as of now. It especially sucks that China no longer wants our plastic scraps. I am a Materials Science and Engineer who has been researching plastic recycling and waste management. It can be quite depressing when you truly sift and sort through all of it.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11839.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"mtywan","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Any Engineers here work in Recycling plants? I'm curious how the recycling process is affected when items are dirty or include non-recyclable parts? I'm a Mechanical Engineer but I've zero knowledge on how good recycling plants are at processing things.  Many of the things I recycle, like packets of sliced meat, will have a non-recyclable film.  If this isn't removed from the packet - how does that affect the process?  Is there a way of filtering that stuff out by density or something?  Similarly, what about things like glass jars that haven't been washed out - like a jar half full of solid coconut oil.  Is everything just smashed down into small bits and washed together?  Given our current environment issues with plastic and recycling, it would be great to know how negatively the above affects the entire process.  I'm optimistically assuming we have a good way of dealing with it given I haven't seen my local authority making a big deal of it ever.","c_root_id_A":"gv3aedo","c_root_id_B":"gv3f39h","created_at_utc_A":1618846041,"created_at_utc_B":1618848008,"score_A":6,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"I took a course while in school, mandatory for all students. But as you may know, you get what you want out. Many didn\u2019t take seriously. We all had projects, environmental type deal. For my project we had to research and implement those water fountains with bottle fillers, I was in charge of the impact on plastic bottles. Well I found out that majority of the time cities just burn the recycling. Either sell it then it gets burnt.... it\u2019s cheaper. Research and textbook for the course, and phone calls to the port authority confirmed it.  I still recycle but I was shocked when I found out they burned recycling, regardless of state the contents( recyclable or not). Many cities ship it to foreign nations where ultimately the majority ends up being burned.","human_ref_B":"They scrap batches if they are contaminated to the point of it no longer being cost effective to sort. States and counties have different material collection procedures in place and standards. When it comes to recycling plastic that sadly is one of the biggest piles of trash people have been fed for decades. Not to say that plastics never gets recycled.   The world of recycling and waste management has a lot of protected information from the public. It's pretty bad. There is one really interesting NPR coverage of how polluted the actual practice of recycling plastic really is. I'll find it and comment to this response.   However not to say that it's impossible to apply the whole Reduce, Reuse, Recycle into over-drive to manage plastic waste. There are not enough incentives\/benefits for plastic recycling as of now. It especially sucks that China no longer wants our plastic scraps. I am a Materials Science and Engineer who has been researching plastic recycling and waste management. It can be quite depressing when you truly sift and sort through all of it.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1967.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"mtywan","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Any Engineers here work in Recycling plants? I'm curious how the recycling process is affected when items are dirty or include non-recyclable parts? I'm a Mechanical Engineer but I've zero knowledge on how good recycling plants are at processing things.  Many of the things I recycle, like packets of sliced meat, will have a non-recyclable film.  If this isn't removed from the packet - how does that affect the process?  Is there a way of filtering that stuff out by density or something?  Similarly, what about things like glass jars that haven't been washed out - like a jar half full of solid coconut oil.  Is everything just smashed down into small bits and washed together?  Given our current environment issues with plastic and recycling, it would be great to know how negatively the above affects the entire process.  I'm optimistically assuming we have a good way of dealing with it given I haven't seen my local authority making a big deal of it ever.","c_root_id_A":"gv3f39h","c_root_id_B":"gv308au","created_at_utc_A":1618848008,"created_at_utc_B":1618841562,"score_A":10,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"They scrap batches if they are contaminated to the point of it no longer being cost effective to sort. States and counties have different material collection procedures in place and standards. When it comes to recycling plastic that sadly is one of the biggest piles of trash people have been fed for decades. Not to say that plastics never gets recycled.   The world of recycling and waste management has a lot of protected information from the public. It's pretty bad. There is one really interesting NPR coverage of how polluted the actual practice of recycling plastic really is. I'll find it and comment to this response.   However not to say that it's impossible to apply the whole Reduce, Reuse, Recycle into over-drive to manage plastic waste. There are not enough incentives\/benefits for plastic recycling as of now. It especially sucks that China no longer wants our plastic scraps. I am a Materials Science and Engineer who has been researching plastic recycling and waste management. It can be quite depressing when you truly sift and sort through all of it.","human_ref_B":"My capstone project was with an aluminum recycling plant.  As I recall it was a combination of shaking the stuff, magnets, and burning via the preheating before it actually went to the furnace.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6446.0,"score_ratio":3.3333333333}
{"post_id":"mtywan","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Any Engineers here work in Recycling plants? I'm curious how the recycling process is affected when items are dirty or include non-recyclable parts? I'm a Mechanical Engineer but I've zero knowledge on how good recycling plants are at processing things.  Many of the things I recycle, like packets of sliced meat, will have a non-recyclable film.  If this isn't removed from the packet - how does that affect the process?  Is there a way of filtering that stuff out by density or something?  Similarly, what about things like glass jars that haven't been washed out - like a jar half full of solid coconut oil.  Is everything just smashed down into small bits and washed together?  Given our current environment issues with plastic and recycling, it would be great to know how negatively the above affects the entire process.  I'm optimistically assuming we have a good way of dealing with it given I haven't seen my local authority making a big deal of it ever.","c_root_id_A":"gv3aedo","c_root_id_B":"gv308au","created_at_utc_A":1618846041,"created_at_utc_B":1618841562,"score_A":6,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I took a course while in school, mandatory for all students. But as you may know, you get what you want out. Many didn\u2019t take seriously. We all had projects, environmental type deal. For my project we had to research and implement those water fountains with bottle fillers, I was in charge of the impact on plastic bottles. Well I found out that majority of the time cities just burn the recycling. Either sell it then it gets burnt.... it\u2019s cheaper. Research and textbook for the course, and phone calls to the port authority confirmed it.  I still recycle but I was shocked when I found out they burned recycling, regardless of state the contents( recyclable or not). Many cities ship it to foreign nations where ultimately the majority ends up being burned.","human_ref_B":"My capstone project was with an aluminum recycling plant.  As I recall it was a combination of shaking the stuff, magnets, and burning via the preheating before it actually went to the furnace.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4479.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"mtywan","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Any Engineers here work in Recycling plants? I'm curious how the recycling process is affected when items are dirty or include non-recyclable parts? I'm a Mechanical Engineer but I've zero knowledge on how good recycling plants are at processing things.  Many of the things I recycle, like packets of sliced meat, will have a non-recyclable film.  If this isn't removed from the packet - how does that affect the process?  Is there a way of filtering that stuff out by density or something?  Similarly, what about things like glass jars that haven't been washed out - like a jar half full of solid coconut oil.  Is everything just smashed down into small bits and washed together?  Given our current environment issues with plastic and recycling, it would be great to know how negatively the above affects the entire process.  I'm optimistically assuming we have a good way of dealing with it given I haven't seen my local authority making a big deal of it ever.","c_root_id_A":"gv3y3mz","c_root_id_B":"gv308au","created_at_utc_A":1618855973,"created_at_utc_B":1618841562,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"We reviewed available recycling technologies and recycling versus virgin material usage on a carbon output basis in a solid waste course I took several years back.   Optical system to sort glass by color. Eddy current and magnets for nonferrous and ferrous metals. Optimal sorting of plastics is by hand otherwise guaranteeing not mixing polymers is almost impossible. If anything is dirty... and I mean anything... it goes to the landfill with anything it contaminated.  As far as the carbon output comparison, based on the parameters we were provided it was basically a wash. Obviously there are a lot of variables and parts to consider here so one calculation for one situation isn\u2019t the entirety of reality. The main benefit of recycling is not utilizing virgin material, but both wood fibers and polymers can only be broken down and reconstituted so many times before they will no longer retain any valuable properties.","human_ref_B":"My capstone project was with an aluminum recycling plant.  As I recall it was a combination of shaking the stuff, magnets, and burning via the preheating before it actually went to the furnace.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":14411.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"r7gsmt","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Solid shaft is always stronger than hollow shaft, right? I got into a pretty heated discussion with someone who would not budge on this idea that you always use a hollow shaft for load bearing applications. They went so far to claim that for two shafts with the same **diameter** the hollow one would be stronger.   Devoid of an application - there's no way that removing material will make a shaft stronger, right? I had to dust off some moments of inertia equations and I think they must be confusing **equal weight** with **equal diameter.** Yes, I get it that there's not much \"stiffness\" in the center of the shaft. But drilling out the center of a shaft isn't going to make it stronger. Strength\/weight will go up, sure. But I think they actually believe the shaft will be stronger based on some adage they must have heard years ago.","c_root_id_A":"hmzamps","c_root_id_B":"hmzb47u","created_at_utc_A":1638478555,"created_at_utc_B":1638478735,"score_A":43,"score_B":656,"human_ref_A":"It's just properties based on geometry. The thicker it is the stronger it is, up to the point where your inside diameter is zero (thus solid). Check the back of any text book that has geometric properties of various shapes. It will have one for solid circle and hollow circle.","human_ref_B":"In tension and compression the stress is just force divided by cross sectional area. Solid has more cross sectional area and therefore lower stress.  Bending is more complicated but ultimately you're dividing by moment of inertia which is larger for a solid cylinder and therefore lower stress.  Torsion is the polar moment of inertia, which again is higher in the solid cylinder.  Ask him to specify how much material needs to be removed from the center to optimize the strength. Might solve the disagreement really quickly.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":180.0,"score_ratio":15.2558139535}
{"post_id":"r7gsmt","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Solid shaft is always stronger than hollow shaft, right? I got into a pretty heated discussion with someone who would not budge on this idea that you always use a hollow shaft for load bearing applications. They went so far to claim that for two shafts with the same **diameter** the hollow one would be stronger.   Devoid of an application - there's no way that removing material will make a shaft stronger, right? I had to dust off some moments of inertia equations and I think they must be confusing **equal weight** with **equal diameter.** Yes, I get it that there's not much \"stiffness\" in the center of the shaft. But drilling out the center of a shaft isn't going to make it stronger. Strength\/weight will go up, sure. But I think they actually believe the shaft will be stronger based on some adage they must have heard years ago.","c_root_id_A":"hmzc61u","c_root_id_B":"hmzamps","created_at_utc_A":1638479127,"created_at_utc_B":1638478555,"score_A":161,"score_B":43,"human_ref_A":"They're definitely confusing constant mass vs constant diameter.","human_ref_B":"It's just properties based on geometry. The thicker it is the stronger it is, up to the point where your inside diameter is zero (thus solid). Check the back of any text book that has geometric properties of various shapes. It will have one for solid circle and hollow circle.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":572.0,"score_ratio":3.7441860465}
{"post_id":"r7gsmt","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Solid shaft is always stronger than hollow shaft, right? I got into a pretty heated discussion with someone who would not budge on this idea that you always use a hollow shaft for load bearing applications. They went so far to claim that for two shafts with the same **diameter** the hollow one would be stronger.   Devoid of an application - there's no way that removing material will make a shaft stronger, right? I had to dust off some moments of inertia equations and I think they must be confusing **equal weight** with **equal diameter.** Yes, I get it that there's not much \"stiffness\" in the center of the shaft. But drilling out the center of a shaft isn't going to make it stronger. Strength\/weight will go up, sure. But I think they actually believe the shaft will be stronger based on some adage they must have heard years ago.","c_root_id_A":"hmzamps","c_root_id_B":"hmzcz3i","created_at_utc_A":1638478555,"created_at_utc_B":1638479430,"score_A":43,"score_B":134,"human_ref_A":"It's just properties based on geometry. The thicker it is the stronger it is, up to the point where your inside diameter is zero (thus solid). Check the back of any text book that has geometric properties of various shapes. It will have one for solid circle and hollow circle.","human_ref_B":"I had this same argument with my engineering buddy. He was on the \"hollow tube is stronger\" side. I ended up proving that a solid tube was stronger using a SOLIDWORKS stress analysis.  While a hollow tube is not stronger, it does have a higher strength to weight ratio.  Edit: solid tube == rod. Lol","labels":0,"seconds_difference":875.0,"score_ratio":3.1162790698}
{"post_id":"r7gsmt","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Solid shaft is always stronger than hollow shaft, right? I got into a pretty heated discussion with someone who would not budge on this idea that you always use a hollow shaft for load bearing applications. They went so far to claim that for two shafts with the same **diameter** the hollow one would be stronger.   Devoid of an application - there's no way that removing material will make a shaft stronger, right? I had to dust off some moments of inertia equations and I think they must be confusing **equal weight** with **equal diameter.** Yes, I get it that there's not much \"stiffness\" in the center of the shaft. But drilling out the center of a shaft isn't going to make it stronger. Strength\/weight will go up, sure. But I think they actually believe the shaft will be stronger based on some adage they must have heard years ago.","c_root_id_A":"hmzamps","c_root_id_B":"hmzhivn","created_at_utc_A":1638478555,"created_at_utc_B":1638481151,"score_A":43,"score_B":71,"human_ref_A":"It's just properties based on geometry. The thicker it is the stronger it is, up to the point where your inside diameter is zero (thus solid). Check the back of any text book that has geometric properties of various shapes. It will have one for solid circle and hollow circle.","human_ref_B":"There are some situations where your friend is technically right. Like if the vibrational frequency harmonics are changed in such a way that the structure this tube is in becomes unstable. Fatigue strength is another area of concern. A non-metal with a really high thermal expansion coefficient may prefer a more evenly heated tube in certain high temperature change environments.   If this \"someone\" is a more experienced engineer, you might want to dig into his claim if what he is saying is specifically true in that particular application.  But generally? No.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2596.0,"score_ratio":1.6511627907}
{"post_id":"r7gsmt","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Solid shaft is always stronger than hollow shaft, right? I got into a pretty heated discussion with someone who would not budge on this idea that you always use a hollow shaft for load bearing applications. They went so far to claim that for two shafts with the same **diameter** the hollow one would be stronger.   Devoid of an application - there's no way that removing material will make a shaft stronger, right? I had to dust off some moments of inertia equations and I think they must be confusing **equal weight** with **equal diameter.** Yes, I get it that there's not much \"stiffness\" in the center of the shaft. But drilling out the center of a shaft isn't going to make it stronger. Strength\/weight will go up, sure. But I think they actually believe the shaft will be stronger based on some adage they must have heard years ago.","c_root_id_A":"hmzhivn","c_root_id_B":"hmzgei6","created_at_utc_A":1638481151,"created_at_utc_B":1638480723,"score_A":71,"score_B":22,"human_ref_A":"There are some situations where your friend is technically right. Like if the vibrational frequency harmonics are changed in such a way that the structure this tube is in becomes unstable. Fatigue strength is another area of concern. A non-metal with a really high thermal expansion coefficient may prefer a more evenly heated tube in certain high temperature change environments.   If this \"someone\" is a more experienced engineer, you might want to dig into his claim if what he is saying is specifically true in that particular application.  But generally? No.","human_ref_B":"A solid shaft will have a higher tensile strength than a hollow one. You can also visualize it (solid shaft) as a number of hollow concentric shafts inside one another leading to a much stronger shaft.  Making it hollow is an engineering consideration for achieving the highest strength\/material ratio and thus also strength\/Cost ratio.  Unnecessary weight will lead to higher cost to the bearings, support structure and thus to the over all system.  Not good.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":428.0,"score_ratio":3.2272727273}
{"post_id":"r7gsmt","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Solid shaft is always stronger than hollow shaft, right? I got into a pretty heated discussion with someone who would not budge on this idea that you always use a hollow shaft for load bearing applications. They went so far to claim that for two shafts with the same **diameter** the hollow one would be stronger.   Devoid of an application - there's no way that removing material will make a shaft stronger, right? I had to dust off some moments of inertia equations and I think they must be confusing **equal weight** with **equal diameter.** Yes, I get it that there's not much \"stiffness\" in the center of the shaft. But drilling out the center of a shaft isn't going to make it stronger. Strength\/weight will go up, sure. But I think they actually believe the shaft will be stronger based on some adage they must have heard years ago.","c_root_id_A":"hn0fpqh","c_root_id_B":"hn1b9tt","created_at_utc_A":1638495769,"created_at_utc_B":1638511004,"score_A":9,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"To play devil's advocate a hollow cylinder (tube), assuming it is made of steel, does allow for proper heat treatment through the thickness and you will have much higher strength material on the outer surfaces, including the inner wall of the tube. In that sense a tube could be 'stronger' than a solid cylinder when considering through-thickness effects.","human_ref_B":"Holy dick an engineering question not related to earning money with their careers.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":15235.0,"score_ratio":1.4444444444}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goxt0cx","c_root_id_B":"goy0qgt","created_at_utc_A":1614398032,"created_at_utc_B":1614400718,"score_A":83,"score_B":215,"human_ref_A":"> I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site.  Absolutely.  And nothing designed by our new engineers gets sent to our fabrication shop without the engineer first taking his drawings down to the fab shop and discussing it with the shop guys.  If the shop guys are cool with the design?  Great!  But more often than not they'll be pointing out manufacturing issues and\/or improvements.  Everybody wins.  The engineer learns something.  The machinist gets input on the design.  The company saves money while turning out a superior product.  There's just no down side.","human_ref_B":"Often times if an engineer was made aware of a construction issue, they would do all they can to adjust the design for constructability. Due to rushed construction schedules, unreasonable design deadlines, staffing shortages, and lack of communication this doesn't happen.  I've been to many job sites where I come across deviations from the approved plans, and a common responses that it get is that they had an easier way to built it. Sometimes their \"solutions\" are perfectly acceptable, sometime they're not great but can be fixed, and other times their work is unacceptable and unsafe. Inspectors don't catch all the issues, and even when they do, they let some things slide.  It might take a day or two to issue an RFI, ask for an alternative detail, and if it's reasonable most engineers will approve it. That's better than having the issue come up later, and having to correct the as-built condition.  This happens on projects big and small. An extreme example of this was The Harmon, in Las Vegas. On that project, the concrete sub decided that the concrete beams had too much rebar, so he removed some of it. A county inspector noticed this when **15** out of the **49** floor have been poured. The building height was reduced to **28** floors, and it was as such built, it stood on the Strip for 5 years, never opened, then got demolished","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2686.0,"score_ratio":2.5903614458}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goxrqah","c_root_id_B":"goy0qgt","created_at_utc_A":1614397616,"created_at_utc_B":1614400718,"score_A":78,"score_B":215,"human_ref_A":"Depends on the project - some engineers are \"paper\" engineers in that they don't go out in the field ever\/so rarely it might as well be never which limits their experience and makes it hard to design \"buildable\" designs. Other engineers do better at this, but can have their foot shot off limiting how successful they can be at this due to other factors - some aspects of \"buildable\" cost more and cash is still king. Or you have the budget, but not the real estate (trust me, that one is very painful) or things just get missed - I've dealt with a crane that had it been 1 foot higher would actual been able to reach and take care of a needed task instead of using a huge mobile crane to accomplish the same task.","human_ref_B":"Often times if an engineer was made aware of a construction issue, they would do all they can to adjust the design for constructability. Due to rushed construction schedules, unreasonable design deadlines, staffing shortages, and lack of communication this doesn't happen.  I've been to many job sites where I come across deviations from the approved plans, and a common responses that it get is that they had an easier way to built it. Sometimes their \"solutions\" are perfectly acceptable, sometime they're not great but can be fixed, and other times their work is unacceptable and unsafe. Inspectors don't catch all the issues, and even when they do, they let some things slide.  It might take a day or two to issue an RFI, ask for an alternative detail, and if it's reasonable most engineers will approve it. That's better than having the issue come up later, and having to correct the as-built condition.  This happens on projects big and small. An extreme example of this was The Harmon, in Las Vegas. On that project, the concrete sub decided that the concrete beams had too much rebar, so he removed some of it. A county inspector noticed this when **15** out of the **49** floor have been poured. The building height was reduced to **28** floors, and it was as such built, it stood on the Strip for 5 years, never opened, then got demolished","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3102.0,"score_ratio":2.7564102564}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goy008m","c_root_id_B":"goy0qgt","created_at_utc_A":1614400419,"created_at_utc_B":1614400718,"score_A":30,"score_B":215,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019m a mechanical engineer for a smallish company in the aerospace industry.    Do I think of the \u201clittle guy\u201d? Absolutely. The technicians, machinists, and all those that build what I design are just as important as I am to the success of a mission. These aren\u2019t just some some hollow accolades either, when dealing with human spaceflight every part of the chain is critical because mistakes can easily become catastrophic. There are countless ways something little can become a big problem and the guys on the ground know it all. In fact they have probably forgotten much more than I could ever learn. Any time I\u2019m starting a new project or changing a design I seek out their advice because I don\u2019t know it all (don\u2019t tell them that). I specifically ask them how to design something so that they can assemble it, or what should I consider for ease of machining. I continue this process throughout the entire design phase of the project, involving the techs and machinists as much as the other engineers. Occasionally they have the audacity to question my decisions; it\u2019s an even split between me having to explain a sound engineering reason for my decision and their idea\/suggestion being better than mine and becoming incorporated into the design. During the build phase I\u2019m there on call help anyway I can, if they stay late I stay late. The most important thing is keeping astronauts safe and having a successful mission.","human_ref_B":"Often times if an engineer was made aware of a construction issue, they would do all they can to adjust the design for constructability. Due to rushed construction schedules, unreasonable design deadlines, staffing shortages, and lack of communication this doesn't happen.  I've been to many job sites where I come across deviations from the approved plans, and a common responses that it get is that they had an easier way to built it. Sometimes their \"solutions\" are perfectly acceptable, sometime they're not great but can be fixed, and other times their work is unacceptable and unsafe. Inspectors don't catch all the issues, and even when they do, they let some things slide.  It might take a day or two to issue an RFI, ask for an alternative detail, and if it's reasonable most engineers will approve it. That's better than having the issue come up later, and having to correct the as-built condition.  This happens on projects big and small. An extreme example of this was The Harmon, in Las Vegas. On that project, the concrete sub decided that the concrete beams had too much rebar, so he removed some of it. A county inspector noticed this when **15** out of the **49** floor have been poured. The building height was reduced to **28** floors, and it was as such built, it stood on the Strip for 5 years, never opened, then got demolished","labels":0,"seconds_difference":299.0,"score_ratio":7.1666666667}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goy0qgt","c_root_id_B":"goxvsa3","created_at_utc_A":1614400718,"created_at_utc_B":1614398938,"score_A":215,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Often times if an engineer was made aware of a construction issue, they would do all they can to adjust the design for constructability. Due to rushed construction schedules, unreasonable design deadlines, staffing shortages, and lack of communication this doesn't happen.  I've been to many job sites where I come across deviations from the approved plans, and a common responses that it get is that they had an easier way to built it. Sometimes their \"solutions\" are perfectly acceptable, sometime they're not great but can be fixed, and other times their work is unacceptable and unsafe. Inspectors don't catch all the issues, and even when they do, they let some things slide.  It might take a day or two to issue an RFI, ask for an alternative detail, and if it's reasonable most engineers will approve it. That's better than having the issue come up later, and having to correct the as-built condition.  This happens on projects big and small. An extreme example of this was The Harmon, in Las Vegas. On that project, the concrete sub decided that the concrete beams had too much rebar, so he removed some of it. A county inspector noticed this when **15** out of the **49** floor have been poured. The building height was reduced to **28** floors, and it was as such built, it stood on the Strip for 5 years, never opened, then got demolished","human_ref_B":"Not in the automotive industry, specifically German cars. The amount of tear down required to remove and replace some parts is ridiculous it's as if the engineers think so highly of their designs that's it's inconceivable they'll require any type of repairs ever...","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1780.0,"score_ratio":53.75}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goy0qgt","c_root_id_B":"goxwh13","created_at_utc_A":1614400718,"created_at_utc_B":1614399161,"score_A":215,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Often times if an engineer was made aware of a construction issue, they would do all they can to adjust the design for constructability. Due to rushed construction schedules, unreasonable design deadlines, staffing shortages, and lack of communication this doesn't happen.  I've been to many job sites where I come across deviations from the approved plans, and a common responses that it get is that they had an easier way to built it. Sometimes their \"solutions\" are perfectly acceptable, sometime they're not great but can be fixed, and other times their work is unacceptable and unsafe. Inspectors don't catch all the issues, and even when they do, they let some things slide.  It might take a day or two to issue an RFI, ask for an alternative detail, and if it's reasonable most engineers will approve it. That's better than having the issue come up later, and having to correct the as-built condition.  This happens on projects big and small. An extreme example of this was The Harmon, in Las Vegas. On that project, the concrete sub decided that the concrete beams had too much rebar, so he removed some of it. A county inspector noticed this when **15** out of the **49** floor have been poured. The building height was reduced to **28** floors, and it was as such built, it stood on the Strip for 5 years, never opened, then got demolished","human_ref_B":"Before I completed my engineering degree I worked for a commercial plumbing company and I would hear complaints about the engineers who do just that: not think about the builders.  You have to get out there as much as possible and I try to reflect that in any drawings I produce, make sure whoever builds it can easily read it and I try to understand what the cost is on the field to go left instead of right with a conduit, how tough it is to pull wiring, that you cant \"just drill another hole\" through that wall, etc.  Just because code allows it, doesn't mean it's the best thing to do, and that ignoring the implications of what you ask will cost you in the end anyway as extra hours, so yes listen to \"the little guys\".  Anything an electrician tells me about what it's like onsite, I take note and add it to my checklist to consider.  Have nothing but respect for you guys. Honestly I'm just drawing lines with crayons on a piece of paper and my company thinks it's a valid reason to pay me because another piece of paper framed on my wall says I'm really good at math.  New engineers: GET. FIELD. EXPERIENCE. DONT STAY AT YOUR DESK.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1557.0,"score_ratio":71.6666666667}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goxt0cx","c_root_id_B":"goxrqah","created_at_utc_A":1614398032,"created_at_utc_B":1614397616,"score_A":83,"score_B":78,"human_ref_A":"> I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site.  Absolutely.  And nothing designed by our new engineers gets sent to our fabrication shop without the engineer first taking his drawings down to the fab shop and discussing it with the shop guys.  If the shop guys are cool with the design?  Great!  But more often than not they'll be pointing out manufacturing issues and\/or improvements.  Everybody wins.  The engineer learns something.  The machinist gets input on the design.  The company saves money while turning out a superior product.  There's just no down side.","human_ref_B":"Depends on the project - some engineers are \"paper\" engineers in that they don't go out in the field ever\/so rarely it might as well be never which limits their experience and makes it hard to design \"buildable\" designs. Other engineers do better at this, but can have their foot shot off limiting how successful they can be at this due to other factors - some aspects of \"buildable\" cost more and cash is still king. Or you have the budget, but not the real estate (trust me, that one is very painful) or things just get missed - I've dealt with a crane that had it been 1 foot higher would actual been able to reach and take care of a needed task instead of using a huge mobile crane to accomplish the same task.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":416.0,"score_ratio":1.0641025641}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goy4ado","c_root_id_B":"goy008m","created_at_utc_A":1614402215,"created_at_utc_B":1614400419,"score_A":50,"score_B":30,"human_ref_A":"All the time, only problem is that there are so many of the little guys and only 1 of me. Its really easy to forget 1 person or operator when doing a big project.  Even on small projects you sometimes have to make compromises to get the desired results.","human_ref_B":"I\u2019m a mechanical engineer for a smallish company in the aerospace industry.    Do I think of the \u201clittle guy\u201d? Absolutely. The technicians, machinists, and all those that build what I design are just as important as I am to the success of a mission. These aren\u2019t just some some hollow accolades either, when dealing with human spaceflight every part of the chain is critical because mistakes can easily become catastrophic. There are countless ways something little can become a big problem and the guys on the ground know it all. In fact they have probably forgotten much more than I could ever learn. Any time I\u2019m starting a new project or changing a design I seek out their advice because I don\u2019t know it all (don\u2019t tell them that). I specifically ask them how to design something so that they can assemble it, or what should I consider for ease of machining. I continue this process throughout the entire design phase of the project, involving the techs and machinists as much as the other engineers. Occasionally they have the audacity to question my decisions; it\u2019s an even split between me having to explain a sound engineering reason for my decision and their idea\/suggestion being better than mine and becoming incorporated into the design. During the build phase I\u2019m there on call help anyway I can, if they stay late I stay late. The most important thing is keeping astronauts safe and having a successful mission.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1796.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goy4ado","c_root_id_B":"goy3537","created_at_utc_A":1614402215,"created_at_utc_B":1614401739,"score_A":50,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"All the time, only problem is that there are so many of the little guys and only 1 of me. Its really easy to forget 1 person or operator when doing a big project.  Even on small projects you sometimes have to make compromises to get the desired results.","human_ref_B":"I\u2019m a natural gas engineer. So similar field. I\u2019m sure it\u2019s not this way with all companies, but it\u2019s our job to make it easy for operations. We\u2019re not above operations. Yes it\u2019s my design but if it can\u2019t be easily done or there is a much better way to do it, I want operations to call me and ask for a redesign. I\u2019m not trying to make y\u2019all\u2019s job suck. If I have to do it a certain way to stay in a utility easement, weird road right of way, other utilities, so on and so forth I\u2019ll let you know, but I want the best design possible and that\u2019s not always the design that looks best on paper. I want all jobs to be smooth and straight forward for operations.  My district director and operations supervisor work in the same building, which is a different building than me. If my operations supervisor is saying that all my designs are garbage around my district director that looks terrible on my part.  TLDR: Call the Engineer if it\u2019s a seemingly bad design. If it\u2019s that way for a reason they\u2019ll let you know, if there\u2019s no reason he should fix it.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":476.0,"score_ratio":4.5454545455}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goy4ado","c_root_id_B":"goxvsa3","created_at_utc_A":1614402215,"created_at_utc_B":1614398938,"score_A":50,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"All the time, only problem is that there are so many of the little guys and only 1 of me. Its really easy to forget 1 person or operator when doing a big project.  Even on small projects you sometimes have to make compromises to get the desired results.","human_ref_B":"Not in the automotive industry, specifically German cars. The amount of tear down required to remove and replace some parts is ridiculous it's as if the engineers think so highly of their designs that's it's inconceivable they'll require any type of repairs ever...","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3277.0,"score_ratio":12.5}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goxwh13","c_root_id_B":"goy4ado","created_at_utc_A":1614399161,"created_at_utc_B":1614402215,"score_A":3,"score_B":50,"human_ref_A":"Before I completed my engineering degree I worked for a commercial plumbing company and I would hear complaints about the engineers who do just that: not think about the builders.  You have to get out there as much as possible and I try to reflect that in any drawings I produce, make sure whoever builds it can easily read it and I try to understand what the cost is on the field to go left instead of right with a conduit, how tough it is to pull wiring, that you cant \"just drill another hole\" through that wall, etc.  Just because code allows it, doesn't mean it's the best thing to do, and that ignoring the implications of what you ask will cost you in the end anyway as extra hours, so yes listen to \"the little guys\".  Anything an electrician tells me about what it's like onsite, I take note and add it to my checklist to consider.  Have nothing but respect for you guys. Honestly I'm just drawing lines with crayons on a piece of paper and my company thinks it's a valid reason to pay me because another piece of paper framed on my wall says I'm really good at math.  New engineers: GET. FIELD. EXPERIENCE. DONT STAY AT YOUR DESK.","human_ref_B":"All the time, only problem is that there are so many of the little guys and only 1 of me. Its really easy to forget 1 person or operator when doing a big project.  Even on small projects you sometimes have to make compromises to get the desired results.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3054.0,"score_ratio":16.6666666667}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goyhr8b","c_root_id_B":"goya0cj","created_at_utc_A":1614410234,"created_at_utc_B":1614404685,"score_A":38,"score_B":36,"human_ref_A":"Of course. Because I was a mechanic first and can wholeheartedly say fuck engineers.      But now that I'm an engineer, I can also say that it's usually not the engineer's fault. Blame the business group.","human_ref_B":"I am an engineer. I thought I was the little guy. News to me that I\u2019m the big man on the totem pole. Seriously, we\u2019re all working on the same team here.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5549.0,"score_ratio":1.0555555556}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goy008m","c_root_id_B":"goyhr8b","created_at_utc_A":1614400419,"created_at_utc_B":1614410234,"score_A":30,"score_B":38,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019m a mechanical engineer for a smallish company in the aerospace industry.    Do I think of the \u201clittle guy\u201d? Absolutely. The technicians, machinists, and all those that build what I design are just as important as I am to the success of a mission. These aren\u2019t just some some hollow accolades either, when dealing with human spaceflight every part of the chain is critical because mistakes can easily become catastrophic. There are countless ways something little can become a big problem and the guys on the ground know it all. In fact they have probably forgotten much more than I could ever learn. Any time I\u2019m starting a new project or changing a design I seek out their advice because I don\u2019t know it all (don\u2019t tell them that). I specifically ask them how to design something so that they can assemble it, or what should I consider for ease of machining. I continue this process throughout the entire design phase of the project, involving the techs and machinists as much as the other engineers. Occasionally they have the audacity to question my decisions; it\u2019s an even split between me having to explain a sound engineering reason for my decision and their idea\/suggestion being better than mine and becoming incorporated into the design. During the build phase I\u2019m there on call help anyway I can, if they stay late I stay late. The most important thing is keeping astronauts safe and having a successful mission.","human_ref_B":"Of course. Because I was a mechanic first and can wholeheartedly say fuck engineers.      But now that I'm an engineer, I can also say that it's usually not the engineer's fault. Blame the business group.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9815.0,"score_ratio":1.2666666667}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goy8am8","c_root_id_B":"goyhr8b","created_at_utc_A":1614403650,"created_at_utc_B":1614410234,"score_A":24,"score_B":38,"human_ref_A":"Almost every choice in engineering is a value decision in the cost, schedule, performance trade space. Usually cost and schedule are kind of linked and functionality is really the most valued thing. If something doesn't function then it doesn't matter how long it took or how much it cost, it is a failure.  Then after that there are the other qualities; scalability, maintainability, serviceability, etc. These should be thought about because long term they end up impacting the three trade space areas, but often cost and schedule make them an afterthought.  I work in software, so I guess the equivalent for me is making sure field updates are easy, interfaces that technicians will be using are thoughtfully designed, appropriate safeguards are in place to prevent human error, etc.  I think about these things because to me software is a craft like woodworking. I take pride in making the best thing I can from all standpoints. On a practical note, since software is so malleable, any issues will eventually come back to haunt me, so part of it is also making my job easier in the future.","human_ref_B":"Of course. Because I was a mechanic first and can wholeheartedly say fuck engineers.      But now that I'm an engineer, I can also say that it's usually not the engineer's fault. Blame the business group.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6584.0,"score_ratio":1.5833333333}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goyhr8b","c_root_id_B":"goygr2w","created_at_utc_A":1614410234,"created_at_utc_B":1614409469,"score_A":38,"score_B":20,"human_ref_A":"Of course. Because I was a mechanic first and can wholeheartedly say fuck engineers.      But now that I'm an engineer, I can also say that it's usually not the engineer's fault. Blame the business group.","human_ref_B":"Hmmm...let me see if I can answer this with an example from my own experience.  One of our fitters was complaining that changing a certain hydraulic motor was harder than it needed to be and that the \"engineers\" designing it knew nothing, a few modifications and it would have been easier to swap. Meanwhile, this was the first time it had needed changing in 15 years. And his modifications would have changed it from a 4 hour job to a 2 hour job. It then needed doing about another 4 times in the next two years because they put under-sized parts in, then a cheap unit with shitty seals but I'm sure that was the engineers fault too.  My point in the above is that the designer gets told to make a certain machine, component or structure that is going to perform a certain function and to do it for less than a certain price. After that they begin to consider things like redundancy, reliability ease of operation etc. But the #1 and #2 priority is that it needs to work as intended and be manufactured at an acceptable price.  The unit my fitter was bitching about? Works like a charm, up and down with 500 odd kg's multiple times a day for 15 years straight. That ticks most of the designers priorities and then some. Ease of swapping parts is pretty far down the list, especially when you can instead design it to be more reliable and require less frequent maintenance.  But, designers also make mistakes. A lot of engineers are not very practical people or they don't work in or around machine shops everyday so don't understand the best\/easiest way to make their design. However they know how to specify something that works (hopefully).","labels":1,"seconds_difference":765.0,"score_ratio":1.9}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goy94s9","c_root_id_B":"goyhr8b","created_at_utc_A":1614404051,"created_at_utc_B":1614410234,"score_A":19,"score_B":38,"human_ref_A":"We love the tradesmen and laborers, you guys are the ones who build our designs! Every engineer I know wants to make their design the absolute best thing in the world, but you quickly realize that designs are art, and an art project is never finished, just abandoned. Unfortunately, sometimes we make economic choices that stick it to the assemblers, and sometimes we can't come up with a better way to get a thing done a certain way without spending 10x as much, and sometimes we just don't think about all the issues that would pop up in production or assembly. And sometimes we come up with a new and improved design that will fix some persistent assembly problems that don't need to happen, and the customer says nah, even though it would work better for them, and I just want to scream because we'd all benefit! Aerospace, man.","human_ref_B":"Of course. Because I was a mechanic first and can wholeheartedly say fuck engineers.      But now that I'm an engineer, I can also say that it's usually not the engineer's fault. Blame the business group.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6183.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goy3537","c_root_id_B":"goyhr8b","created_at_utc_A":1614401739,"created_at_utc_B":1614410234,"score_A":11,"score_B":38,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019m a natural gas engineer. So similar field. I\u2019m sure it\u2019s not this way with all companies, but it\u2019s our job to make it easy for operations. We\u2019re not above operations. Yes it\u2019s my design but if it can\u2019t be easily done or there is a much better way to do it, I want operations to call me and ask for a redesign. I\u2019m not trying to make y\u2019all\u2019s job suck. If I have to do it a certain way to stay in a utility easement, weird road right of way, other utilities, so on and so forth I\u2019ll let you know, but I want the best design possible and that\u2019s not always the design that looks best on paper. I want all jobs to be smooth and straight forward for operations.  My district director and operations supervisor work in the same building, which is a different building than me. If my operations supervisor is saying that all my designs are garbage around my district director that looks terrible on my part.  TLDR: Call the Engineer if it\u2019s a seemingly bad design. If it\u2019s that way for a reason they\u2019ll let you know, if there\u2019s no reason he should fix it.","human_ref_B":"Of course. Because I was a mechanic first and can wholeheartedly say fuck engineers.      But now that I'm an engineer, I can also say that it's usually not the engineer's fault. Blame the business group.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8495.0,"score_ratio":3.4545454545}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goyg1kf","c_root_id_B":"goyhr8b","created_at_utc_A":1614409016,"created_at_utc_B":1614410234,"score_A":12,"score_B":38,"human_ref_A":"In an ideal world we do.      But a lot of the time the combination of time restrictions and budget restrictions prevent it.      Consulting engineers are on a budget and time restriction, they just don't have the time to design things to be buildable, you have to put out the cheapest possible design that will work.     I know this is prevalent in civil engineering, I imagine its lets so when an engineer is designing something for the company they work for to make, because then the cost of unbuildable designs starts to impact the company the engineer works for.     Its the old truism, you can pick two between cheap fast and good, most people only pay for cheap and fast.     And remember, if you have to issue an RFI, thats probably not in the contract so the engineer gets to have a change order at the end for all the time they spend on it.","human_ref_B":"Of course. Because I was a mechanic first and can wholeheartedly say fuck engineers.      But now that I'm an engineer, I can also say that it's usually not the engineer's fault. Blame the business group.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1218.0,"score_ratio":3.1666666667}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goy71r9","c_root_id_B":"goyhr8b","created_at_utc_A":1614403193,"created_at_utc_B":1614410234,"score_A":7,"score_B":38,"human_ref_A":"A lot of us are taught to. The best of us it seems spent no small amount of time in construction or in a shop.  But a sad trend is that it is cheap to go to colleges and grab fresh engineers so you can pay them less. This leads to people learning lessons the hard way.  Just what I have observed. I, personally, usually prototype in the shop consulting the people who will be building\/operating it step by step. Sometimes they have terrible input. Sometimes I have terrible ideas. But I would rather explain bad input to them then have them roll their eyes if I ask them to do something stupid.","human_ref_B":"Of course. Because I was a mechanic first and can wholeheartedly say fuck engineers.      But now that I'm an engineer, I can also say that it's usually not the engineer's fault. Blame the business group.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7041.0,"score_ratio":5.4285714286}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goxvsa3","c_root_id_B":"goyhr8b","created_at_utc_A":1614398938,"created_at_utc_B":1614410234,"score_A":4,"score_B":38,"human_ref_A":"Not in the automotive industry, specifically German cars. The amount of tear down required to remove and replace some parts is ridiculous it's as if the engineers think so highly of their designs that's it's inconceivable they'll require any type of repairs ever...","human_ref_B":"Of course. Because I was a mechanic first and can wholeheartedly say fuck engineers.      But now that I'm an engineer, I can also say that it's usually not the engineer's fault. Blame the business group.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11296.0,"score_ratio":9.5}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goxwh13","c_root_id_B":"goyhr8b","created_at_utc_A":1614399161,"created_at_utc_B":1614410234,"score_A":3,"score_B":38,"human_ref_A":"Before I completed my engineering degree I worked for a commercial plumbing company and I would hear complaints about the engineers who do just that: not think about the builders.  You have to get out there as much as possible and I try to reflect that in any drawings I produce, make sure whoever builds it can easily read it and I try to understand what the cost is on the field to go left instead of right with a conduit, how tough it is to pull wiring, that you cant \"just drill another hole\" through that wall, etc.  Just because code allows it, doesn't mean it's the best thing to do, and that ignoring the implications of what you ask will cost you in the end anyway as extra hours, so yes listen to \"the little guys\".  Anything an electrician tells me about what it's like onsite, I take note and add it to my checklist to consider.  Have nothing but respect for you guys. Honestly I'm just drawing lines with crayons on a piece of paper and my company thinks it's a valid reason to pay me because another piece of paper framed on my wall says I'm really good at math.  New engineers: GET. FIELD. EXPERIENCE. DONT STAY AT YOUR DESK.","human_ref_B":"Of course. Because I was a mechanic first and can wholeheartedly say fuck engineers.      But now that I'm an engineer, I can also say that it's usually not the engineer's fault. Blame the business group.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11073.0,"score_ratio":12.6666666667}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goye2qo","c_root_id_B":"goyhr8b","created_at_utc_A":1614407842,"created_at_utc_B":1614410234,"score_A":3,"score_B":38,"human_ref_A":"I just got back from helping out install sensors on garbage trucks. We were helped by third shift guys, but we were turning wrenches and getting under vehicles. Im not a third shift worker, it was a long day.  What happens is a series of compromises. After market sensors trying to prove out new technology for OEMs to bite is going out and just finding whatever fleet managers are interested. Whatever location we can find, we are trying to get it on there.   Cost of labor, estimated annual units sold, ergonomics, and whatever my PM wants to be an asshole about drive my decisions. At the end of the day im just a dude that wants to make the least amount of people unhappy. This doesnt leave room for many people to be happy.","human_ref_B":"Of course. Because I was a mechanic first and can wholeheartedly say fuck engineers.      But now that I'm an engineer, I can also say that it's usually not the engineer's fault. Blame the business group.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2392.0,"score_ratio":12.6666666667}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goya0cj","c_root_id_B":"goy008m","created_at_utc_A":1614404685,"created_at_utc_B":1614400419,"score_A":36,"score_B":30,"human_ref_A":"I am an engineer. I thought I was the little guy. News to me that I\u2019m the big man on the totem pole. Seriously, we\u2019re all working on the same team here.","human_ref_B":"I\u2019m a mechanical engineer for a smallish company in the aerospace industry.    Do I think of the \u201clittle guy\u201d? Absolutely. The technicians, machinists, and all those that build what I design are just as important as I am to the success of a mission. These aren\u2019t just some some hollow accolades either, when dealing with human spaceflight every part of the chain is critical because mistakes can easily become catastrophic. There are countless ways something little can become a big problem and the guys on the ground know it all. In fact they have probably forgotten much more than I could ever learn. Any time I\u2019m starting a new project or changing a design I seek out their advice because I don\u2019t know it all (don\u2019t tell them that). I specifically ask them how to design something so that they can assemble it, or what should I consider for ease of machining. I continue this process throughout the entire design phase of the project, involving the techs and machinists as much as the other engineers. Occasionally they have the audacity to question my decisions; it\u2019s an even split between me having to explain a sound engineering reason for my decision and their idea\/suggestion being better than mine and becoming incorporated into the design. During the build phase I\u2019m there on call help anyway I can, if they stay late I stay late. The most important thing is keeping astronauts safe and having a successful mission.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4266.0,"score_ratio":1.2}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goy8am8","c_root_id_B":"goya0cj","created_at_utc_A":1614403650,"created_at_utc_B":1614404685,"score_A":24,"score_B":36,"human_ref_A":"Almost every choice in engineering is a value decision in the cost, schedule, performance trade space. Usually cost and schedule are kind of linked and functionality is really the most valued thing. If something doesn't function then it doesn't matter how long it took or how much it cost, it is a failure.  Then after that there are the other qualities; scalability, maintainability, serviceability, etc. These should be thought about because long term they end up impacting the three trade space areas, but often cost and schedule make them an afterthought.  I work in software, so I guess the equivalent for me is making sure field updates are easy, interfaces that technicians will be using are thoughtfully designed, appropriate safeguards are in place to prevent human error, etc.  I think about these things because to me software is a craft like woodworking. I take pride in making the best thing I can from all standpoints. On a practical note, since software is so malleable, any issues will eventually come back to haunt me, so part of it is also making my job easier in the future.","human_ref_B":"I am an engineer. I thought I was the little guy. News to me that I\u2019m the big man on the totem pole. Seriously, we\u2019re all working on the same team here.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1035.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goya0cj","c_root_id_B":"goy94s9","created_at_utc_A":1614404685,"created_at_utc_B":1614404051,"score_A":36,"score_B":19,"human_ref_A":"I am an engineer. I thought I was the little guy. News to me that I\u2019m the big man on the totem pole. Seriously, we\u2019re all working on the same team here.","human_ref_B":"We love the tradesmen and laborers, you guys are the ones who build our designs! Every engineer I know wants to make their design the absolute best thing in the world, but you quickly realize that designs are art, and an art project is never finished, just abandoned. Unfortunately, sometimes we make economic choices that stick it to the assemblers, and sometimes we can't come up with a better way to get a thing done a certain way without spending 10x as much, and sometimes we just don't think about all the issues that would pop up in production or assembly. And sometimes we come up with a new and improved design that will fix some persistent assembly problems that don't need to happen, and the customer says nah, even though it would work better for them, and I just want to scream because we'd all benefit! Aerospace, man.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":634.0,"score_ratio":1.8947368421}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goy3537","c_root_id_B":"goya0cj","created_at_utc_A":1614401739,"created_at_utc_B":1614404685,"score_A":11,"score_B":36,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019m a natural gas engineer. So similar field. I\u2019m sure it\u2019s not this way with all companies, but it\u2019s our job to make it easy for operations. We\u2019re not above operations. Yes it\u2019s my design but if it can\u2019t be easily done or there is a much better way to do it, I want operations to call me and ask for a redesign. I\u2019m not trying to make y\u2019all\u2019s job suck. If I have to do it a certain way to stay in a utility easement, weird road right of way, other utilities, so on and so forth I\u2019ll let you know, but I want the best design possible and that\u2019s not always the design that looks best on paper. I want all jobs to be smooth and straight forward for operations.  My district director and operations supervisor work in the same building, which is a different building than me. If my operations supervisor is saying that all my designs are garbage around my district director that looks terrible on my part.  TLDR: Call the Engineer if it\u2019s a seemingly bad design. If it\u2019s that way for a reason they\u2019ll let you know, if there\u2019s no reason he should fix it.","human_ref_B":"I am an engineer. I thought I was the little guy. News to me that I\u2019m the big man on the totem pole. Seriously, we\u2019re all working on the same team here.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2946.0,"score_ratio":3.2727272727}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goy71r9","c_root_id_B":"goya0cj","created_at_utc_A":1614403193,"created_at_utc_B":1614404685,"score_A":7,"score_B":36,"human_ref_A":"A lot of us are taught to. The best of us it seems spent no small amount of time in construction or in a shop.  But a sad trend is that it is cheap to go to colleges and grab fresh engineers so you can pay them less. This leads to people learning lessons the hard way.  Just what I have observed. I, personally, usually prototype in the shop consulting the people who will be building\/operating it step by step. Sometimes they have terrible input. Sometimes I have terrible ideas. But I would rather explain bad input to them then have them roll their eyes if I ask them to do something stupid.","human_ref_B":"I am an engineer. I thought I was the little guy. News to me that I\u2019m the big man on the totem pole. Seriously, we\u2019re all working on the same team here.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1492.0,"score_ratio":5.1428571429}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goya0cj","c_root_id_B":"goxvsa3","created_at_utc_A":1614404685,"created_at_utc_B":1614398938,"score_A":36,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I am an engineer. I thought I was the little guy. News to me that I\u2019m the big man on the totem pole. Seriously, we\u2019re all working on the same team here.","human_ref_B":"Not in the automotive industry, specifically German cars. The amount of tear down required to remove and replace some parts is ridiculous it's as if the engineers think so highly of their designs that's it's inconceivable they'll require any type of repairs ever...","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5747.0,"score_ratio":9.0}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goxwh13","c_root_id_B":"goya0cj","created_at_utc_A":1614399161,"created_at_utc_B":1614404685,"score_A":3,"score_B":36,"human_ref_A":"Before I completed my engineering degree I worked for a commercial plumbing company and I would hear complaints about the engineers who do just that: not think about the builders.  You have to get out there as much as possible and I try to reflect that in any drawings I produce, make sure whoever builds it can easily read it and I try to understand what the cost is on the field to go left instead of right with a conduit, how tough it is to pull wiring, that you cant \"just drill another hole\" through that wall, etc.  Just because code allows it, doesn't mean it's the best thing to do, and that ignoring the implications of what you ask will cost you in the end anyway as extra hours, so yes listen to \"the little guys\".  Anything an electrician tells me about what it's like onsite, I take note and add it to my checklist to consider.  Have nothing but respect for you guys. Honestly I'm just drawing lines with crayons on a piece of paper and my company thinks it's a valid reason to pay me because another piece of paper framed on my wall says I'm really good at math.  New engineers: GET. FIELD. EXPERIENCE. DONT STAY AT YOUR DESK.","human_ref_B":"I am an engineer. I thought I was the little guy. News to me that I\u2019m the big man on the totem pole. Seriously, we\u2019re all working on the same team here.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5524.0,"score_ratio":12.0}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goxvsa3","c_root_id_B":"goy008m","created_at_utc_A":1614398938,"created_at_utc_B":1614400419,"score_A":4,"score_B":30,"human_ref_A":"Not in the automotive industry, specifically German cars. The amount of tear down required to remove and replace some parts is ridiculous it's as if the engineers think so highly of their designs that's it's inconceivable they'll require any type of repairs ever...","human_ref_B":"I\u2019m a mechanical engineer for a smallish company in the aerospace industry.    Do I think of the \u201clittle guy\u201d? Absolutely. The technicians, machinists, and all those that build what I design are just as important as I am to the success of a mission. These aren\u2019t just some some hollow accolades either, when dealing with human spaceflight every part of the chain is critical because mistakes can easily become catastrophic. There are countless ways something little can become a big problem and the guys on the ground know it all. In fact they have probably forgotten much more than I could ever learn. Any time I\u2019m starting a new project or changing a design I seek out their advice because I don\u2019t know it all (don\u2019t tell them that). I specifically ask them how to design something so that they can assemble it, or what should I consider for ease of machining. I continue this process throughout the entire design phase of the project, involving the techs and machinists as much as the other engineers. Occasionally they have the audacity to question my decisions; it\u2019s an even split between me having to explain a sound engineering reason for my decision and their idea\/suggestion being better than mine and becoming incorporated into the design. During the build phase I\u2019m there on call help anyway I can, if they stay late I stay late. The most important thing is keeping astronauts safe and having a successful mission.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1481.0,"score_ratio":7.5}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goy008m","c_root_id_B":"goxwh13","created_at_utc_A":1614400419,"created_at_utc_B":1614399161,"score_A":30,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019m a mechanical engineer for a smallish company in the aerospace industry.    Do I think of the \u201clittle guy\u201d? Absolutely. The technicians, machinists, and all those that build what I design are just as important as I am to the success of a mission. These aren\u2019t just some some hollow accolades either, when dealing with human spaceflight every part of the chain is critical because mistakes can easily become catastrophic. There are countless ways something little can become a big problem and the guys on the ground know it all. In fact they have probably forgotten much more than I could ever learn. Any time I\u2019m starting a new project or changing a design I seek out their advice because I don\u2019t know it all (don\u2019t tell them that). I specifically ask them how to design something so that they can assemble it, or what should I consider for ease of machining. I continue this process throughout the entire design phase of the project, involving the techs and machinists as much as the other engineers. Occasionally they have the audacity to question my decisions; it\u2019s an even split between me having to explain a sound engineering reason for my decision and their idea\/suggestion being better than mine and becoming incorporated into the design. During the build phase I\u2019m there on call help anyway I can, if they stay late I stay late. The most important thing is keeping astronauts safe and having a successful mission.","human_ref_B":"Before I completed my engineering degree I worked for a commercial plumbing company and I would hear complaints about the engineers who do just that: not think about the builders.  You have to get out there as much as possible and I try to reflect that in any drawings I produce, make sure whoever builds it can easily read it and I try to understand what the cost is on the field to go left instead of right with a conduit, how tough it is to pull wiring, that you cant \"just drill another hole\" through that wall, etc.  Just because code allows it, doesn't mean it's the best thing to do, and that ignoring the implications of what you ask will cost you in the end anyway as extra hours, so yes listen to \"the little guys\".  Anything an electrician tells me about what it's like onsite, I take note and add it to my checklist to consider.  Have nothing but respect for you guys. Honestly I'm just drawing lines with crayons on a piece of paper and my company thinks it's a valid reason to pay me because another piece of paper framed on my wall says I'm really good at math.  New engineers: GET. FIELD. EXPERIENCE. DONT STAY AT YOUR DESK.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1258.0,"score_ratio":10.0}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goy3537","c_root_id_B":"goy8am8","created_at_utc_A":1614401739,"created_at_utc_B":1614403650,"score_A":11,"score_B":24,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019m a natural gas engineer. So similar field. I\u2019m sure it\u2019s not this way with all companies, but it\u2019s our job to make it easy for operations. We\u2019re not above operations. Yes it\u2019s my design but if it can\u2019t be easily done or there is a much better way to do it, I want operations to call me and ask for a redesign. I\u2019m not trying to make y\u2019all\u2019s job suck. If I have to do it a certain way to stay in a utility easement, weird road right of way, other utilities, so on and so forth I\u2019ll let you know, but I want the best design possible and that\u2019s not always the design that looks best on paper. I want all jobs to be smooth and straight forward for operations.  My district director and operations supervisor work in the same building, which is a different building than me. If my operations supervisor is saying that all my designs are garbage around my district director that looks terrible on my part.  TLDR: Call the Engineer if it\u2019s a seemingly bad design. If it\u2019s that way for a reason they\u2019ll let you know, if there\u2019s no reason he should fix it.","human_ref_B":"Almost every choice in engineering is a value decision in the cost, schedule, performance trade space. Usually cost and schedule are kind of linked and functionality is really the most valued thing. If something doesn't function then it doesn't matter how long it took or how much it cost, it is a failure.  Then after that there are the other qualities; scalability, maintainability, serviceability, etc. These should be thought about because long term they end up impacting the three trade space areas, but often cost and schedule make them an afterthought.  I work in software, so I guess the equivalent for me is making sure field updates are easy, interfaces that technicians will be using are thoughtfully designed, appropriate safeguards are in place to prevent human error, etc.  I think about these things because to me software is a craft like woodworking. I take pride in making the best thing I can from all standpoints. On a practical note, since software is so malleable, any issues will eventually come back to haunt me, so part of it is also making my job easier in the future.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1911.0,"score_ratio":2.1818181818}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goy8am8","c_root_id_B":"goy71r9","created_at_utc_A":1614403650,"created_at_utc_B":1614403193,"score_A":24,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Almost every choice in engineering is a value decision in the cost, schedule, performance trade space. Usually cost and schedule are kind of linked and functionality is really the most valued thing. If something doesn't function then it doesn't matter how long it took or how much it cost, it is a failure.  Then after that there are the other qualities; scalability, maintainability, serviceability, etc. These should be thought about because long term they end up impacting the three trade space areas, but often cost and schedule make them an afterthought.  I work in software, so I guess the equivalent for me is making sure field updates are easy, interfaces that technicians will be using are thoughtfully designed, appropriate safeguards are in place to prevent human error, etc.  I think about these things because to me software is a craft like woodworking. I take pride in making the best thing I can from all standpoints. On a practical note, since software is so malleable, any issues will eventually come back to haunt me, so part of it is also making my job easier in the future.","human_ref_B":"A lot of us are taught to. The best of us it seems spent no small amount of time in construction or in a shop.  But a sad trend is that it is cheap to go to colleges and grab fresh engineers so you can pay them less. This leads to people learning lessons the hard way.  Just what I have observed. I, personally, usually prototype in the shop consulting the people who will be building\/operating it step by step. Sometimes they have terrible input. Sometimes I have terrible ideas. But I would rather explain bad input to them then have them roll their eyes if I ask them to do something stupid.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":457.0,"score_ratio":3.4285714286}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goxvsa3","c_root_id_B":"goy8am8","created_at_utc_A":1614398938,"created_at_utc_B":1614403650,"score_A":4,"score_B":24,"human_ref_A":"Not in the automotive industry, specifically German cars. The amount of tear down required to remove and replace some parts is ridiculous it's as if the engineers think so highly of their designs that's it's inconceivable they'll require any type of repairs ever...","human_ref_B":"Almost every choice in engineering is a value decision in the cost, schedule, performance trade space. Usually cost and schedule are kind of linked and functionality is really the most valued thing. If something doesn't function then it doesn't matter how long it took or how much it cost, it is a failure.  Then after that there are the other qualities; scalability, maintainability, serviceability, etc. These should be thought about because long term they end up impacting the three trade space areas, but often cost and schedule make them an afterthought.  I work in software, so I guess the equivalent for me is making sure field updates are easy, interfaces that technicians will be using are thoughtfully designed, appropriate safeguards are in place to prevent human error, etc.  I think about these things because to me software is a craft like woodworking. I take pride in making the best thing I can from all standpoints. On a practical note, since software is so malleable, any issues will eventually come back to haunt me, so part of it is also making my job easier in the future.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4712.0,"score_ratio":6.0}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goy8am8","c_root_id_B":"goxwh13","created_at_utc_A":1614403650,"created_at_utc_B":1614399161,"score_A":24,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Almost every choice in engineering is a value decision in the cost, schedule, performance trade space. Usually cost and schedule are kind of linked and functionality is really the most valued thing. If something doesn't function then it doesn't matter how long it took or how much it cost, it is a failure.  Then after that there are the other qualities; scalability, maintainability, serviceability, etc. These should be thought about because long term they end up impacting the three trade space areas, but often cost and schedule make them an afterthought.  I work in software, so I guess the equivalent for me is making sure field updates are easy, interfaces that technicians will be using are thoughtfully designed, appropriate safeguards are in place to prevent human error, etc.  I think about these things because to me software is a craft like woodworking. I take pride in making the best thing I can from all standpoints. On a practical note, since software is so malleable, any issues will eventually come back to haunt me, so part of it is also making my job easier in the future.","human_ref_B":"Before I completed my engineering degree I worked for a commercial plumbing company and I would hear complaints about the engineers who do just that: not think about the builders.  You have to get out there as much as possible and I try to reflect that in any drawings I produce, make sure whoever builds it can easily read it and I try to understand what the cost is on the field to go left instead of right with a conduit, how tough it is to pull wiring, that you cant \"just drill another hole\" through that wall, etc.  Just because code allows it, doesn't mean it's the best thing to do, and that ignoring the implications of what you ask will cost you in the end anyway as extra hours, so yes listen to \"the little guys\".  Anything an electrician tells me about what it's like onsite, I take note and add it to my checklist to consider.  Have nothing but respect for you guys. Honestly I'm just drawing lines with crayons on a piece of paper and my company thinks it's a valid reason to pay me because another piece of paper framed on my wall says I'm really good at math.  New engineers: GET. FIELD. EXPERIENCE. DONT STAY AT YOUR DESK.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4489.0,"score_ratio":8.0}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goygr2w","c_root_id_B":"goy94s9","created_at_utc_A":1614409469,"created_at_utc_B":1614404051,"score_A":20,"score_B":19,"human_ref_A":"Hmmm...let me see if I can answer this with an example from my own experience.  One of our fitters was complaining that changing a certain hydraulic motor was harder than it needed to be and that the \"engineers\" designing it knew nothing, a few modifications and it would have been easier to swap. Meanwhile, this was the first time it had needed changing in 15 years. And his modifications would have changed it from a 4 hour job to a 2 hour job. It then needed doing about another 4 times in the next two years because they put under-sized parts in, then a cheap unit with shitty seals but I'm sure that was the engineers fault too.  My point in the above is that the designer gets told to make a certain machine, component or structure that is going to perform a certain function and to do it for less than a certain price. After that they begin to consider things like redundancy, reliability ease of operation etc. But the #1 and #2 priority is that it needs to work as intended and be manufactured at an acceptable price.  The unit my fitter was bitching about? Works like a charm, up and down with 500 odd kg's multiple times a day for 15 years straight. That ticks most of the designers priorities and then some. Ease of swapping parts is pretty far down the list, especially when you can instead design it to be more reliable and require less frequent maintenance.  But, designers also make mistakes. A lot of engineers are not very practical people or they don't work in or around machine shops everyday so don't understand the best\/easiest way to make their design. However they know how to specify something that works (hopefully).","human_ref_B":"We love the tradesmen and laborers, you guys are the ones who build our designs! Every engineer I know wants to make their design the absolute best thing in the world, but you quickly realize that designs are art, and an art project is never finished, just abandoned. Unfortunately, sometimes we make economic choices that stick it to the assemblers, and sometimes we can't come up with a better way to get a thing done a certain way without spending 10x as much, and sometimes we just don't think about all the issues that would pop up in production or assembly. And sometimes we come up with a new and improved design that will fix some persistent assembly problems that don't need to happen, and the customer says nah, even though it would work better for them, and I just want to scream because we'd all benefit! Aerospace, man.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5418.0,"score_ratio":1.0526315789}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goygr2w","c_root_id_B":"goy3537","created_at_utc_A":1614409469,"created_at_utc_B":1614401739,"score_A":20,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"Hmmm...let me see if I can answer this with an example from my own experience.  One of our fitters was complaining that changing a certain hydraulic motor was harder than it needed to be and that the \"engineers\" designing it knew nothing, a few modifications and it would have been easier to swap. Meanwhile, this was the first time it had needed changing in 15 years. And his modifications would have changed it from a 4 hour job to a 2 hour job. It then needed doing about another 4 times in the next two years because they put under-sized parts in, then a cheap unit with shitty seals but I'm sure that was the engineers fault too.  My point in the above is that the designer gets told to make a certain machine, component or structure that is going to perform a certain function and to do it for less than a certain price. After that they begin to consider things like redundancy, reliability ease of operation etc. But the #1 and #2 priority is that it needs to work as intended and be manufactured at an acceptable price.  The unit my fitter was bitching about? Works like a charm, up and down with 500 odd kg's multiple times a day for 15 years straight. That ticks most of the designers priorities and then some. Ease of swapping parts is pretty far down the list, especially when you can instead design it to be more reliable and require less frequent maintenance.  But, designers also make mistakes. A lot of engineers are not very practical people or they don't work in or around machine shops everyday so don't understand the best\/easiest way to make their design. However they know how to specify something that works (hopefully).","human_ref_B":"I\u2019m a natural gas engineer. So similar field. I\u2019m sure it\u2019s not this way with all companies, but it\u2019s our job to make it easy for operations. We\u2019re not above operations. Yes it\u2019s my design but if it can\u2019t be easily done or there is a much better way to do it, I want operations to call me and ask for a redesign. I\u2019m not trying to make y\u2019all\u2019s job suck. If I have to do it a certain way to stay in a utility easement, weird road right of way, other utilities, so on and so forth I\u2019ll let you know, but I want the best design possible and that\u2019s not always the design that looks best on paper. I want all jobs to be smooth and straight forward for operations.  My district director and operations supervisor work in the same building, which is a different building than me. If my operations supervisor is saying that all my designs are garbage around my district director that looks terrible on my part.  TLDR: Call the Engineer if it\u2019s a seemingly bad design. If it\u2019s that way for a reason they\u2019ll let you know, if there\u2019s no reason he should fix it.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7730.0,"score_ratio":1.8181818182}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goyg1kf","c_root_id_B":"goygr2w","created_at_utc_A":1614409016,"created_at_utc_B":1614409469,"score_A":12,"score_B":20,"human_ref_A":"In an ideal world we do.      But a lot of the time the combination of time restrictions and budget restrictions prevent it.      Consulting engineers are on a budget and time restriction, they just don't have the time to design things to be buildable, you have to put out the cheapest possible design that will work.     I know this is prevalent in civil engineering, I imagine its lets so when an engineer is designing something for the company they work for to make, because then the cost of unbuildable designs starts to impact the company the engineer works for.     Its the old truism, you can pick two between cheap fast and good, most people only pay for cheap and fast.     And remember, if you have to issue an RFI, thats probably not in the contract so the engineer gets to have a change order at the end for all the time they spend on it.","human_ref_B":"Hmmm...let me see if I can answer this with an example from my own experience.  One of our fitters was complaining that changing a certain hydraulic motor was harder than it needed to be and that the \"engineers\" designing it knew nothing, a few modifications and it would have been easier to swap. Meanwhile, this was the first time it had needed changing in 15 years. And his modifications would have changed it from a 4 hour job to a 2 hour job. It then needed doing about another 4 times in the next two years because they put under-sized parts in, then a cheap unit with shitty seals but I'm sure that was the engineers fault too.  My point in the above is that the designer gets told to make a certain machine, component or structure that is going to perform a certain function and to do it for less than a certain price. After that they begin to consider things like redundancy, reliability ease of operation etc. But the #1 and #2 priority is that it needs to work as intended and be manufactured at an acceptable price.  The unit my fitter was bitching about? Works like a charm, up and down with 500 odd kg's multiple times a day for 15 years straight. That ticks most of the designers priorities and then some. Ease of swapping parts is pretty far down the list, especially when you can instead design it to be more reliable and require less frequent maintenance.  But, designers also make mistakes. A lot of engineers are not very practical people or they don't work in or around machine shops everyday so don't understand the best\/easiest way to make their design. However they know how to specify something that works (hopefully).","labels":0,"seconds_difference":453.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goy71r9","c_root_id_B":"goygr2w","created_at_utc_A":1614403193,"created_at_utc_B":1614409469,"score_A":7,"score_B":20,"human_ref_A":"A lot of us are taught to. The best of us it seems spent no small amount of time in construction or in a shop.  But a sad trend is that it is cheap to go to colleges and grab fresh engineers so you can pay them less. This leads to people learning lessons the hard way.  Just what I have observed. I, personally, usually prototype in the shop consulting the people who will be building\/operating it step by step. Sometimes they have terrible input. Sometimes I have terrible ideas. But I would rather explain bad input to them then have them roll their eyes if I ask them to do something stupid.","human_ref_B":"Hmmm...let me see if I can answer this with an example from my own experience.  One of our fitters was complaining that changing a certain hydraulic motor was harder than it needed to be and that the \"engineers\" designing it knew nothing, a few modifications and it would have been easier to swap. Meanwhile, this was the first time it had needed changing in 15 years. And his modifications would have changed it from a 4 hour job to a 2 hour job. It then needed doing about another 4 times in the next two years because they put under-sized parts in, then a cheap unit with shitty seals but I'm sure that was the engineers fault too.  My point in the above is that the designer gets told to make a certain machine, component or structure that is going to perform a certain function and to do it for less than a certain price. After that they begin to consider things like redundancy, reliability ease of operation etc. But the #1 and #2 priority is that it needs to work as intended and be manufactured at an acceptable price.  The unit my fitter was bitching about? Works like a charm, up and down with 500 odd kg's multiple times a day for 15 years straight. That ticks most of the designers priorities and then some. Ease of swapping parts is pretty far down the list, especially when you can instead design it to be more reliable and require less frequent maintenance.  But, designers also make mistakes. A lot of engineers are not very practical people or they don't work in or around machine shops everyday so don't understand the best\/easiest way to make their design. However they know how to specify something that works (hopefully).","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6276.0,"score_ratio":2.8571428571}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goxvsa3","c_root_id_B":"goygr2w","created_at_utc_A":1614398938,"created_at_utc_B":1614409469,"score_A":4,"score_B":20,"human_ref_A":"Not in the automotive industry, specifically German cars. The amount of tear down required to remove and replace some parts is ridiculous it's as if the engineers think so highly of their designs that's it's inconceivable they'll require any type of repairs ever...","human_ref_B":"Hmmm...let me see if I can answer this with an example from my own experience.  One of our fitters was complaining that changing a certain hydraulic motor was harder than it needed to be and that the \"engineers\" designing it knew nothing, a few modifications and it would have been easier to swap. Meanwhile, this was the first time it had needed changing in 15 years. And his modifications would have changed it from a 4 hour job to a 2 hour job. It then needed doing about another 4 times in the next two years because they put under-sized parts in, then a cheap unit with shitty seals but I'm sure that was the engineers fault too.  My point in the above is that the designer gets told to make a certain machine, component or structure that is going to perform a certain function and to do it for less than a certain price. After that they begin to consider things like redundancy, reliability ease of operation etc. But the #1 and #2 priority is that it needs to work as intended and be manufactured at an acceptable price.  The unit my fitter was bitching about? Works like a charm, up and down with 500 odd kg's multiple times a day for 15 years straight. That ticks most of the designers priorities and then some. Ease of swapping parts is pretty far down the list, especially when you can instead design it to be more reliable and require less frequent maintenance.  But, designers also make mistakes. A lot of engineers are not very practical people or they don't work in or around machine shops everyday so don't understand the best\/easiest way to make their design. However they know how to specify something that works (hopefully).","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10531.0,"score_ratio":5.0}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goxwh13","c_root_id_B":"goygr2w","created_at_utc_A":1614399161,"created_at_utc_B":1614409469,"score_A":3,"score_B":20,"human_ref_A":"Before I completed my engineering degree I worked for a commercial plumbing company and I would hear complaints about the engineers who do just that: not think about the builders.  You have to get out there as much as possible and I try to reflect that in any drawings I produce, make sure whoever builds it can easily read it and I try to understand what the cost is on the field to go left instead of right with a conduit, how tough it is to pull wiring, that you cant \"just drill another hole\" through that wall, etc.  Just because code allows it, doesn't mean it's the best thing to do, and that ignoring the implications of what you ask will cost you in the end anyway as extra hours, so yes listen to \"the little guys\".  Anything an electrician tells me about what it's like onsite, I take note and add it to my checklist to consider.  Have nothing but respect for you guys. Honestly I'm just drawing lines with crayons on a piece of paper and my company thinks it's a valid reason to pay me because another piece of paper framed on my wall says I'm really good at math.  New engineers: GET. FIELD. EXPERIENCE. DONT STAY AT YOUR DESK.","human_ref_B":"Hmmm...let me see if I can answer this with an example from my own experience.  One of our fitters was complaining that changing a certain hydraulic motor was harder than it needed to be and that the \"engineers\" designing it knew nothing, a few modifications and it would have been easier to swap. Meanwhile, this was the first time it had needed changing in 15 years. And his modifications would have changed it from a 4 hour job to a 2 hour job. It then needed doing about another 4 times in the next two years because they put under-sized parts in, then a cheap unit with shitty seals but I'm sure that was the engineers fault too.  My point in the above is that the designer gets told to make a certain machine, component or structure that is going to perform a certain function and to do it for less than a certain price. After that they begin to consider things like redundancy, reliability ease of operation etc. But the #1 and #2 priority is that it needs to work as intended and be manufactured at an acceptable price.  The unit my fitter was bitching about? Works like a charm, up and down with 500 odd kg's multiple times a day for 15 years straight. That ticks most of the designers priorities and then some. Ease of swapping parts is pretty far down the list, especially when you can instead design it to be more reliable and require less frequent maintenance.  But, designers also make mistakes. A lot of engineers are not very practical people or they don't work in or around machine shops everyday so don't understand the best\/easiest way to make their design. However they know how to specify something that works (hopefully).","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10308.0,"score_ratio":6.6666666667}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goygr2w","c_root_id_B":"goye2qo","created_at_utc_A":1614409469,"created_at_utc_B":1614407842,"score_A":20,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Hmmm...let me see if I can answer this with an example from my own experience.  One of our fitters was complaining that changing a certain hydraulic motor was harder than it needed to be and that the \"engineers\" designing it knew nothing, a few modifications and it would have been easier to swap. Meanwhile, this was the first time it had needed changing in 15 years. And his modifications would have changed it from a 4 hour job to a 2 hour job. It then needed doing about another 4 times in the next two years because they put under-sized parts in, then a cheap unit with shitty seals but I'm sure that was the engineers fault too.  My point in the above is that the designer gets told to make a certain machine, component or structure that is going to perform a certain function and to do it for less than a certain price. After that they begin to consider things like redundancy, reliability ease of operation etc. But the #1 and #2 priority is that it needs to work as intended and be manufactured at an acceptable price.  The unit my fitter was bitching about? Works like a charm, up and down with 500 odd kg's multiple times a day for 15 years straight. That ticks most of the designers priorities and then some. Ease of swapping parts is pretty far down the list, especially when you can instead design it to be more reliable and require less frequent maintenance.  But, designers also make mistakes. A lot of engineers are not very practical people or they don't work in or around machine shops everyday so don't understand the best\/easiest way to make their design. However they know how to specify something that works (hopefully).","human_ref_B":"I just got back from helping out install sensors on garbage trucks. We were helped by third shift guys, but we were turning wrenches and getting under vehicles. Im not a third shift worker, it was a long day.  What happens is a series of compromises. After market sensors trying to prove out new technology for OEMs to bite is going out and just finding whatever fleet managers are interested. Whatever location we can find, we are trying to get it on there.   Cost of labor, estimated annual units sold, ergonomics, and whatever my PM wants to be an asshole about drive my decisions. At the end of the day im just a dude that wants to make the least amount of people unhappy. This doesnt leave room for many people to be happy.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1627.0,"score_ratio":6.6666666667}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goy94s9","c_root_id_B":"goy3537","created_at_utc_A":1614404051,"created_at_utc_B":1614401739,"score_A":19,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"We love the tradesmen and laborers, you guys are the ones who build our designs! Every engineer I know wants to make their design the absolute best thing in the world, but you quickly realize that designs are art, and an art project is never finished, just abandoned. Unfortunately, sometimes we make economic choices that stick it to the assemblers, and sometimes we can't come up with a better way to get a thing done a certain way without spending 10x as much, and sometimes we just don't think about all the issues that would pop up in production or assembly. And sometimes we come up with a new and improved design that will fix some persistent assembly problems that don't need to happen, and the customer says nah, even though it would work better for them, and I just want to scream because we'd all benefit! Aerospace, man.","human_ref_B":"I\u2019m a natural gas engineer. So similar field. I\u2019m sure it\u2019s not this way with all companies, but it\u2019s our job to make it easy for operations. We\u2019re not above operations. Yes it\u2019s my design but if it can\u2019t be easily done or there is a much better way to do it, I want operations to call me and ask for a redesign. I\u2019m not trying to make y\u2019all\u2019s job suck. If I have to do it a certain way to stay in a utility easement, weird road right of way, other utilities, so on and so forth I\u2019ll let you know, but I want the best design possible and that\u2019s not always the design that looks best on paper. I want all jobs to be smooth and straight forward for operations.  My district director and operations supervisor work in the same building, which is a different building than me. If my operations supervisor is saying that all my designs are garbage around my district director that looks terrible on my part.  TLDR: Call the Engineer if it\u2019s a seemingly bad design. If it\u2019s that way for a reason they\u2019ll let you know, if there\u2019s no reason he should fix it.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2312.0,"score_ratio":1.7272727273}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goy94s9","c_root_id_B":"goy71r9","created_at_utc_A":1614404051,"created_at_utc_B":1614403193,"score_A":19,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"We love the tradesmen and laborers, you guys are the ones who build our designs! Every engineer I know wants to make their design the absolute best thing in the world, but you quickly realize that designs are art, and an art project is never finished, just abandoned. Unfortunately, sometimes we make economic choices that stick it to the assemblers, and sometimes we can't come up with a better way to get a thing done a certain way without spending 10x as much, and sometimes we just don't think about all the issues that would pop up in production or assembly. And sometimes we come up with a new and improved design that will fix some persistent assembly problems that don't need to happen, and the customer says nah, even though it would work better for them, and I just want to scream because we'd all benefit! Aerospace, man.","human_ref_B":"A lot of us are taught to. The best of us it seems spent no small amount of time in construction or in a shop.  But a sad trend is that it is cheap to go to colleges and grab fresh engineers so you can pay them less. This leads to people learning lessons the hard way.  Just what I have observed. I, personally, usually prototype in the shop consulting the people who will be building\/operating it step by step. Sometimes they have terrible input. Sometimes I have terrible ideas. But I would rather explain bad input to them then have them roll their eyes if I ask them to do something stupid.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":858.0,"score_ratio":2.7142857143}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goxvsa3","c_root_id_B":"goy94s9","created_at_utc_A":1614398938,"created_at_utc_B":1614404051,"score_A":4,"score_B":19,"human_ref_A":"Not in the automotive industry, specifically German cars. The amount of tear down required to remove and replace some parts is ridiculous it's as if the engineers think so highly of their designs that's it's inconceivable they'll require any type of repairs ever...","human_ref_B":"We love the tradesmen and laborers, you guys are the ones who build our designs! Every engineer I know wants to make their design the absolute best thing in the world, but you quickly realize that designs are art, and an art project is never finished, just abandoned. Unfortunately, sometimes we make economic choices that stick it to the assemblers, and sometimes we can't come up with a better way to get a thing done a certain way without spending 10x as much, and sometimes we just don't think about all the issues that would pop up in production or assembly. And sometimes we come up with a new and improved design that will fix some persistent assembly problems that don't need to happen, and the customer says nah, even though it would work better for them, and I just want to scream because we'd all benefit! Aerospace, man.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5113.0,"score_ratio":4.75}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goy94s9","c_root_id_B":"goxwh13","created_at_utc_A":1614404051,"created_at_utc_B":1614399161,"score_A":19,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"We love the tradesmen and laborers, you guys are the ones who build our designs! Every engineer I know wants to make their design the absolute best thing in the world, but you quickly realize that designs are art, and an art project is never finished, just abandoned. Unfortunately, sometimes we make economic choices that stick it to the assemblers, and sometimes we can't come up with a better way to get a thing done a certain way without spending 10x as much, and sometimes we just don't think about all the issues that would pop up in production or assembly. And sometimes we come up with a new and improved design that will fix some persistent assembly problems that don't need to happen, and the customer says nah, even though it would work better for them, and I just want to scream because we'd all benefit! Aerospace, man.","human_ref_B":"Before I completed my engineering degree I worked for a commercial plumbing company and I would hear complaints about the engineers who do just that: not think about the builders.  You have to get out there as much as possible and I try to reflect that in any drawings I produce, make sure whoever builds it can easily read it and I try to understand what the cost is on the field to go left instead of right with a conduit, how tough it is to pull wiring, that you cant \"just drill another hole\" through that wall, etc.  Just because code allows it, doesn't mean it's the best thing to do, and that ignoring the implications of what you ask will cost you in the end anyway as extra hours, so yes listen to \"the little guys\".  Anything an electrician tells me about what it's like onsite, I take note and add it to my checklist to consider.  Have nothing but respect for you guys. Honestly I'm just drawing lines with crayons on a piece of paper and my company thinks it's a valid reason to pay me because another piece of paper framed on my wall says I'm really good at math.  New engineers: GET. FIELD. EXPERIENCE. DONT STAY AT YOUR DESK.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4890.0,"score_ratio":6.3333333333}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goyg1kf","c_root_id_B":"goy3537","created_at_utc_A":1614409016,"created_at_utc_B":1614401739,"score_A":12,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"In an ideal world we do.      But a lot of the time the combination of time restrictions and budget restrictions prevent it.      Consulting engineers are on a budget and time restriction, they just don't have the time to design things to be buildable, you have to put out the cheapest possible design that will work.     I know this is prevalent in civil engineering, I imagine its lets so when an engineer is designing something for the company they work for to make, because then the cost of unbuildable designs starts to impact the company the engineer works for.     Its the old truism, you can pick two between cheap fast and good, most people only pay for cheap and fast.     And remember, if you have to issue an RFI, thats probably not in the contract so the engineer gets to have a change order at the end for all the time they spend on it.","human_ref_B":"I\u2019m a natural gas engineer. So similar field. I\u2019m sure it\u2019s not this way with all companies, but it\u2019s our job to make it easy for operations. We\u2019re not above operations. Yes it\u2019s my design but if it can\u2019t be easily done or there is a much better way to do it, I want operations to call me and ask for a redesign. I\u2019m not trying to make y\u2019all\u2019s job suck. If I have to do it a certain way to stay in a utility easement, weird road right of way, other utilities, so on and so forth I\u2019ll let you know, but I want the best design possible and that\u2019s not always the design that looks best on paper. I want all jobs to be smooth and straight forward for operations.  My district director and operations supervisor work in the same building, which is a different building than me. If my operations supervisor is saying that all my designs are garbage around my district director that looks terrible on my part.  TLDR: Call the Engineer if it\u2019s a seemingly bad design. If it\u2019s that way for a reason they\u2019ll let you know, if there\u2019s no reason he should fix it.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7277.0,"score_ratio":1.0909090909}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goy3537","c_root_id_B":"goxvsa3","created_at_utc_A":1614401739,"created_at_utc_B":1614398938,"score_A":11,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019m a natural gas engineer. So similar field. I\u2019m sure it\u2019s not this way with all companies, but it\u2019s our job to make it easy for operations. We\u2019re not above operations. Yes it\u2019s my design but if it can\u2019t be easily done or there is a much better way to do it, I want operations to call me and ask for a redesign. I\u2019m not trying to make y\u2019all\u2019s job suck. If I have to do it a certain way to stay in a utility easement, weird road right of way, other utilities, so on and so forth I\u2019ll let you know, but I want the best design possible and that\u2019s not always the design that looks best on paper. I want all jobs to be smooth and straight forward for operations.  My district director and operations supervisor work in the same building, which is a different building than me. If my operations supervisor is saying that all my designs are garbage around my district director that looks terrible on my part.  TLDR: Call the Engineer if it\u2019s a seemingly bad design. If it\u2019s that way for a reason they\u2019ll let you know, if there\u2019s no reason he should fix it.","human_ref_B":"Not in the automotive industry, specifically German cars. The amount of tear down required to remove and replace some parts is ridiculous it's as if the engineers think so highly of their designs that's it's inconceivable they'll require any type of repairs ever...","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2801.0,"score_ratio":2.75}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goxwh13","c_root_id_B":"goy3537","created_at_utc_A":1614399161,"created_at_utc_B":1614401739,"score_A":3,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"Before I completed my engineering degree I worked for a commercial plumbing company and I would hear complaints about the engineers who do just that: not think about the builders.  You have to get out there as much as possible and I try to reflect that in any drawings I produce, make sure whoever builds it can easily read it and I try to understand what the cost is on the field to go left instead of right with a conduit, how tough it is to pull wiring, that you cant \"just drill another hole\" through that wall, etc.  Just because code allows it, doesn't mean it's the best thing to do, and that ignoring the implications of what you ask will cost you in the end anyway as extra hours, so yes listen to \"the little guys\".  Anything an electrician tells me about what it's like onsite, I take note and add it to my checklist to consider.  Have nothing but respect for you guys. Honestly I'm just drawing lines with crayons on a piece of paper and my company thinks it's a valid reason to pay me because another piece of paper framed on my wall says I'm really good at math.  New engineers: GET. FIELD. EXPERIENCE. DONT STAY AT YOUR DESK.","human_ref_B":"I\u2019m a natural gas engineer. So similar field. I\u2019m sure it\u2019s not this way with all companies, but it\u2019s our job to make it easy for operations. We\u2019re not above operations. Yes it\u2019s my design but if it can\u2019t be easily done or there is a much better way to do it, I want operations to call me and ask for a redesign. I\u2019m not trying to make y\u2019all\u2019s job suck. If I have to do it a certain way to stay in a utility easement, weird road right of way, other utilities, so on and so forth I\u2019ll let you know, but I want the best design possible and that\u2019s not always the design that looks best on paper. I want all jobs to be smooth and straight forward for operations.  My district director and operations supervisor work in the same building, which is a different building than me. If my operations supervisor is saying that all my designs are garbage around my district director that looks terrible on my part.  TLDR: Call the Engineer if it\u2019s a seemingly bad design. If it\u2019s that way for a reason they\u2019ll let you know, if there\u2019s no reason he should fix it.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2578.0,"score_ratio":3.6666666667}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goyg1kf","c_root_id_B":"goy71r9","created_at_utc_A":1614409016,"created_at_utc_B":1614403193,"score_A":12,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"In an ideal world we do.      But a lot of the time the combination of time restrictions and budget restrictions prevent it.      Consulting engineers are on a budget and time restriction, they just don't have the time to design things to be buildable, you have to put out the cheapest possible design that will work.     I know this is prevalent in civil engineering, I imagine its lets so when an engineer is designing something for the company they work for to make, because then the cost of unbuildable designs starts to impact the company the engineer works for.     Its the old truism, you can pick two between cheap fast and good, most people only pay for cheap and fast.     And remember, if you have to issue an RFI, thats probably not in the contract so the engineer gets to have a change order at the end for all the time they spend on it.","human_ref_B":"A lot of us are taught to. The best of us it seems spent no small amount of time in construction or in a shop.  But a sad trend is that it is cheap to go to colleges and grab fresh engineers so you can pay them less. This leads to people learning lessons the hard way.  Just what I have observed. I, personally, usually prototype in the shop consulting the people who will be building\/operating it step by step. Sometimes they have terrible input. Sometimes I have terrible ideas. But I would rather explain bad input to them then have them roll their eyes if I ask them to do something stupid.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5823.0,"score_ratio":1.7142857143}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goxvsa3","c_root_id_B":"goyg1kf","created_at_utc_A":1614398938,"created_at_utc_B":1614409016,"score_A":4,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"Not in the automotive industry, specifically German cars. The amount of tear down required to remove and replace some parts is ridiculous it's as if the engineers think so highly of their designs that's it's inconceivable they'll require any type of repairs ever...","human_ref_B":"In an ideal world we do.      But a lot of the time the combination of time restrictions and budget restrictions prevent it.      Consulting engineers are on a budget and time restriction, they just don't have the time to design things to be buildable, you have to put out the cheapest possible design that will work.     I know this is prevalent in civil engineering, I imagine its lets so when an engineer is designing something for the company they work for to make, because then the cost of unbuildable designs starts to impact the company the engineer works for.     Its the old truism, you can pick two between cheap fast and good, most people only pay for cheap and fast.     And remember, if you have to issue an RFI, thats probably not in the contract so the engineer gets to have a change order at the end for all the time they spend on it.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10078.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goxwh13","c_root_id_B":"goyg1kf","created_at_utc_A":1614399161,"created_at_utc_B":1614409016,"score_A":3,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"Before I completed my engineering degree I worked for a commercial plumbing company and I would hear complaints about the engineers who do just that: not think about the builders.  You have to get out there as much as possible and I try to reflect that in any drawings I produce, make sure whoever builds it can easily read it and I try to understand what the cost is on the field to go left instead of right with a conduit, how tough it is to pull wiring, that you cant \"just drill another hole\" through that wall, etc.  Just because code allows it, doesn't mean it's the best thing to do, and that ignoring the implications of what you ask will cost you in the end anyway as extra hours, so yes listen to \"the little guys\".  Anything an electrician tells me about what it's like onsite, I take note and add it to my checklist to consider.  Have nothing but respect for you guys. Honestly I'm just drawing lines with crayons on a piece of paper and my company thinks it's a valid reason to pay me because another piece of paper framed on my wall says I'm really good at math.  New engineers: GET. FIELD. EXPERIENCE. DONT STAY AT YOUR DESK.","human_ref_B":"In an ideal world we do.      But a lot of the time the combination of time restrictions and budget restrictions prevent it.      Consulting engineers are on a budget and time restriction, they just don't have the time to design things to be buildable, you have to put out the cheapest possible design that will work.     I know this is prevalent in civil engineering, I imagine its lets so when an engineer is designing something for the company they work for to make, because then the cost of unbuildable designs starts to impact the company the engineer works for.     Its the old truism, you can pick two between cheap fast and good, most people only pay for cheap and fast.     And remember, if you have to issue an RFI, thats probably not in the contract so the engineer gets to have a change order at the end for all the time they spend on it.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9855.0,"score_ratio":4.0}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goye2qo","c_root_id_B":"goyg1kf","created_at_utc_A":1614407842,"created_at_utc_B":1614409016,"score_A":3,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"I just got back from helping out install sensors on garbage trucks. We were helped by third shift guys, but we were turning wrenches and getting under vehicles. Im not a third shift worker, it was a long day.  What happens is a series of compromises. After market sensors trying to prove out new technology for OEMs to bite is going out and just finding whatever fleet managers are interested. Whatever location we can find, we are trying to get it on there.   Cost of labor, estimated annual units sold, ergonomics, and whatever my PM wants to be an asshole about drive my decisions. At the end of the day im just a dude that wants to make the least amount of people unhappy. This doesnt leave room for many people to be happy.","human_ref_B":"In an ideal world we do.      But a lot of the time the combination of time restrictions and budget restrictions prevent it.      Consulting engineers are on a budget and time restriction, they just don't have the time to design things to be buildable, you have to put out the cheapest possible design that will work.     I know this is prevalent in civil engineering, I imagine its lets so when an engineer is designing something for the company they work for to make, because then the cost of unbuildable designs starts to impact the company the engineer works for.     Its the old truism, you can pick two between cheap fast and good, most people only pay for cheap and fast.     And remember, if you have to issue an RFI, thats probably not in the contract so the engineer gets to have a change order at the end for all the time they spend on it.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1174.0,"score_ratio":4.0}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goy71r9","c_root_id_B":"goyrad1","created_at_utc_A":1614403193,"created_at_utc_B":1614417170,"score_A":7,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"A lot of us are taught to. The best of us it seems spent no small amount of time in construction or in a shop.  But a sad trend is that it is cheap to go to colleges and grab fresh engineers so you can pay them less. This leads to people learning lessons the hard way.  Just what I have observed. I, personally, usually prototype in the shop consulting the people who will be building\/operating it step by step. Sometimes they have terrible input. Sometimes I have terrible ideas. But I would rather explain bad input to them then have them roll their eyes if I ask them to do something stupid.","human_ref_B":"First and foremost they\u2019re not \u201cthe little guys\u201d they\u2019re the people that keep me in a job, without shop floor workers I\u2019m just a guy at a desk.   Secondly I spent 12 years on the shop floor and the well-being of the individuals doing the job is my first priority. I\u2019m a manufacturing engineer I set up production lines and processes and ensure safety is prioritised. I value their opinions over my colleagues, just because we\u2019ve always done things a certain way doesn\u2019t mean we should have.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":13977.0,"score_ratio":1.2857142857}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goyi2tb","c_root_id_B":"goyrad1","created_at_utc_A":1614410521,"created_at_utc_B":1614417170,"score_A":4,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"The work I\u2019ve done has always been on manufactured products, (different from your field of construction OP.) I try to put in the time to make contributions to everyone involved meaningful. My background is in testing, so my job was to sorta, find the weak points of a design and document the issues. Basically- rooting out issues of design. Creating a record of which issues in a design need to be reconsidered- or to create tests for quality or manufacturing operators to check the products.  ... There are so many people involved in the creation of a physical product- it\u2019s incredible! From manufacturing operators, fabricators, machinists, field technicians, quality engineers, original supplier\u2019s perspective, designers, etc...  But, also remember there are purchasers, accountants, inspectors, material shippers, packaging constraints, standards on product design for the public, (example: food equipment must be made of materials that are: non-porous for no mold, cleans easily, material is safe to ingest, etc...) and most importantly CUSTOMER input of the final product.   Eventually all of these perspectives come into play in designs and compete for attention. The mentors in my career have always fought for the \u201clittle man.\u201d They\u2019ve trained me to look for how to make a design easier to assemble, less time-consuming, or  less back-breaking, less tedious, or more consistent in the process etc... But there are just so many perspectives to juggle. Sometimes a design has to be frozen in time and kept the same- just to start making many of them and to make money.  It really all comes down to the perspective which is prioritized and the demands when the design reaches a static point. ... What I\u2019ve learned, is that every design has a story and reasoning behind it. You\u2019ll see something and think- that\u2019s so hard to service! But... the original goal of the design was just to make it a better product for the customer with improved performance- so no one looked out for serviceability. ... If you\u2019re interested OP, I think engineering, (in general) is a great field to dig into! And the best people in making things are the people who see something and go, \u201cthat\u2019s dumb- there\u2019s a better way.\u201d It doesn\u2019t matter if you\u2019re the little man or the manager- the best ideas should win out before the title of the person does.","human_ref_B":"First and foremost they\u2019re not \u201cthe little guys\u201d they\u2019re the people that keep me in a job, without shop floor workers I\u2019m just a guy at a desk.   Secondly I spent 12 years on the shop floor and the well-being of the individuals doing the job is my first priority. I\u2019m a manufacturing engineer I set up production lines and processes and ensure safety is prioritised. I value their opinions over my colleagues, just because we\u2019ve always done things a certain way doesn\u2019t mean we should have.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6649.0,"score_ratio":2.25}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goyqngu","c_root_id_B":"goyrad1","created_at_utc_A":1614416641,"created_at_utc_B":1614417170,"score_A":4,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"field experience is what separates good engineers from the bad ones. as for you, that's just the luck of the draw(ing) - maybe your plans were done by an EIT w\/o guidance, who the hell knows - but I can tell you there are plenty of terrible engineers out there who should have their license revoked - i'll end my rant here...","human_ref_B":"First and foremost they\u2019re not \u201cthe little guys\u201d they\u2019re the people that keep me in a job, without shop floor workers I\u2019m just a guy at a desk.   Secondly I spent 12 years on the shop floor and the well-being of the individuals doing the job is my first priority. I\u2019m a manufacturing engineer I set up production lines and processes and ensure safety is prioritised. I value their opinions over my colleagues, just because we\u2019ve always done things a certain way doesn\u2019t mean we should have.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":529.0,"score_ratio":2.25}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goyrad1","c_root_id_B":"goxvsa3","created_at_utc_A":1614417170,"created_at_utc_B":1614398938,"score_A":9,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"First and foremost they\u2019re not \u201cthe little guys\u201d they\u2019re the people that keep me in a job, without shop floor workers I\u2019m just a guy at a desk.   Secondly I spent 12 years on the shop floor and the well-being of the individuals doing the job is my first priority. I\u2019m a manufacturing engineer I set up production lines and processes and ensure safety is prioritised. I value their opinions over my colleagues, just because we\u2019ve always done things a certain way doesn\u2019t mean we should have.","human_ref_B":"Not in the automotive industry, specifically German cars. The amount of tear down required to remove and replace some parts is ridiculous it's as if the engineers think so highly of their designs that's it's inconceivable they'll require any type of repairs ever...","labels":1,"seconds_difference":18232.0,"score_ratio":2.25}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goxwh13","c_root_id_B":"goyrad1","created_at_utc_A":1614399161,"created_at_utc_B":1614417170,"score_A":3,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Before I completed my engineering degree I worked for a commercial plumbing company and I would hear complaints about the engineers who do just that: not think about the builders.  You have to get out there as much as possible and I try to reflect that in any drawings I produce, make sure whoever builds it can easily read it and I try to understand what the cost is on the field to go left instead of right with a conduit, how tough it is to pull wiring, that you cant \"just drill another hole\" through that wall, etc.  Just because code allows it, doesn't mean it's the best thing to do, and that ignoring the implications of what you ask will cost you in the end anyway as extra hours, so yes listen to \"the little guys\".  Anything an electrician tells me about what it's like onsite, I take note and add it to my checklist to consider.  Have nothing but respect for you guys. Honestly I'm just drawing lines with crayons on a piece of paper and my company thinks it's a valid reason to pay me because another piece of paper framed on my wall says I'm really good at math.  New engineers: GET. FIELD. EXPERIENCE. DONT STAY AT YOUR DESK.","human_ref_B":"First and foremost they\u2019re not \u201cthe little guys\u201d they\u2019re the people that keep me in a job, without shop floor workers I\u2019m just a guy at a desk.   Secondly I spent 12 years on the shop floor and the well-being of the individuals doing the job is my first priority. I\u2019m a manufacturing engineer I set up production lines and processes and ensure safety is prioritised. I value their opinions over my colleagues, just because we\u2019ve always done things a certain way doesn\u2019t mean we should have.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":18009.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goyrad1","c_root_id_B":"goye2qo","created_at_utc_A":1614417170,"created_at_utc_B":1614407842,"score_A":9,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"First and foremost they\u2019re not \u201cthe little guys\u201d they\u2019re the people that keep me in a job, without shop floor workers I\u2019m just a guy at a desk.   Secondly I spent 12 years on the shop floor and the well-being of the individuals doing the job is my first priority. I\u2019m a manufacturing engineer I set up production lines and processes and ensure safety is prioritised. I value their opinions over my colleagues, just because we\u2019ve always done things a certain way doesn\u2019t mean we should have.","human_ref_B":"I just got back from helping out install sensors on garbage trucks. We were helped by third shift guys, but we were turning wrenches and getting under vehicles. Im not a third shift worker, it was a long day.  What happens is a series of compromises. After market sensors trying to prove out new technology for OEMs to bite is going out and just finding whatever fleet managers are interested. Whatever location we can find, we are trying to get it on there.   Cost of labor, estimated annual units sold, ergonomics, and whatever my PM wants to be an asshole about drive my decisions. At the end of the day im just a dude that wants to make the least amount of people unhappy. This doesnt leave room for many people to be happy.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9328.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goyrad1","c_root_id_B":"goyi5ul","created_at_utc_A":1614417170,"created_at_utc_B":1614410596,"score_A":9,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"First and foremost they\u2019re not \u201cthe little guys\u201d they\u2019re the people that keep me in a job, without shop floor workers I\u2019m just a guy at a desk.   Secondly I spent 12 years on the shop floor and the well-being of the individuals doing the job is my first priority. I\u2019m a manufacturing engineer I set up production lines and processes and ensure safety is prioritised. I value their opinions over my colleagues, just because we\u2019ve always done things a certain way doesn\u2019t mean we should have.","human_ref_B":"As a working electrical engineer, I can't imagine my job without the help of my technicians and lab assistants. A good engineer will learn early on that the easier I make their job, the better results for my job. Thinking of the \"little guys\" is a great way to make everybody's job easier.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6574.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goyknjb","c_root_id_B":"goyrad1","created_at_utc_A":1614412925,"created_at_utc_B":1614417170,"score_A":3,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"In my line of work, the amount of regulations and part specifications make it to where some designs come out less user friendly then I would like. I do try my best to make it as easy as I can and lessen the amount of labor and frustration put into the manufacturing.   These regulations are usually mandated by an organization (OSHA, Local, and State) as well as any engineering specific organizations. Also, if a company uses an engineering firm or contractor company to do most their designs the list of regulations is unbareably long.   One last downside is the fact that most engineers have to report or get approval for designs by a Professional Engineer (PE), and if they don't like what they see then they don't approve the design.","human_ref_B":"First and foremost they\u2019re not \u201cthe little guys\u201d they\u2019re the people that keep me in a job, without shop floor workers I\u2019m just a guy at a desk.   Secondly I spent 12 years on the shop floor and the well-being of the individuals doing the job is my first priority. I\u2019m a manufacturing engineer I set up production lines and processes and ensure safety is prioritised. I value their opinions over my colleagues, just because we\u2019ve always done things a certain way doesn\u2019t mean we should have.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4245.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goy71r9","c_root_id_B":"goxvsa3","created_at_utc_A":1614403193,"created_at_utc_B":1614398938,"score_A":7,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"A lot of us are taught to. The best of us it seems spent no small amount of time in construction or in a shop.  But a sad trend is that it is cheap to go to colleges and grab fresh engineers so you can pay them less. This leads to people learning lessons the hard way.  Just what I have observed. I, personally, usually prototype in the shop consulting the people who will be building\/operating it step by step. Sometimes they have terrible input. Sometimes I have terrible ideas. But I would rather explain bad input to them then have them roll their eyes if I ask them to do something stupid.","human_ref_B":"Not in the automotive industry, specifically German cars. The amount of tear down required to remove and replace some parts is ridiculous it's as if the engineers think so highly of their designs that's it's inconceivable they'll require any type of repairs ever...","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4255.0,"score_ratio":1.75}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goxwh13","c_root_id_B":"goy71r9","created_at_utc_A":1614399161,"created_at_utc_B":1614403193,"score_A":3,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Before I completed my engineering degree I worked for a commercial plumbing company and I would hear complaints about the engineers who do just that: not think about the builders.  You have to get out there as much as possible and I try to reflect that in any drawings I produce, make sure whoever builds it can easily read it and I try to understand what the cost is on the field to go left instead of right with a conduit, how tough it is to pull wiring, that you cant \"just drill another hole\" through that wall, etc.  Just because code allows it, doesn't mean it's the best thing to do, and that ignoring the implications of what you ask will cost you in the end anyway as extra hours, so yes listen to \"the little guys\".  Anything an electrician tells me about what it's like onsite, I take note and add it to my checklist to consider.  Have nothing but respect for you guys. Honestly I'm just drawing lines with crayons on a piece of paper and my company thinks it's a valid reason to pay me because another piece of paper framed on my wall says I'm really good at math.  New engineers: GET. FIELD. EXPERIENCE. DONT STAY AT YOUR DESK.","human_ref_B":"A lot of us are taught to. The best of us it seems spent no small amount of time in construction or in a shop.  But a sad trend is that it is cheap to go to colleges and grab fresh engineers so you can pay them less. This leads to people learning lessons the hard way.  Just what I have observed. I, personally, usually prototype in the shop consulting the people who will be building\/operating it step by step. Sometimes they have terrible input. Sometimes I have terrible ideas. But I would rather explain bad input to them then have them roll their eyes if I ask them to do something stupid.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4032.0,"score_ratio":2.3333333333}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goyi2tb","c_root_id_B":"goyted8","created_at_utc_A":1614410521,"created_at_utc_B":1614419372,"score_A":4,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"The work I\u2019ve done has always been on manufactured products, (different from your field of construction OP.) I try to put in the time to make contributions to everyone involved meaningful. My background is in testing, so my job was to sorta, find the weak points of a design and document the issues. Basically- rooting out issues of design. Creating a record of which issues in a design need to be reconsidered- or to create tests for quality or manufacturing operators to check the products.  ... There are so many people involved in the creation of a physical product- it\u2019s incredible! From manufacturing operators, fabricators, machinists, field technicians, quality engineers, original supplier\u2019s perspective, designers, etc...  But, also remember there are purchasers, accountants, inspectors, material shippers, packaging constraints, standards on product design for the public, (example: food equipment must be made of materials that are: non-porous for no mold, cleans easily, material is safe to ingest, etc...) and most importantly CUSTOMER input of the final product.   Eventually all of these perspectives come into play in designs and compete for attention. The mentors in my career have always fought for the \u201clittle man.\u201d They\u2019ve trained me to look for how to make a design easier to assemble, less time-consuming, or  less back-breaking, less tedious, or more consistent in the process etc... But there are just so many perspectives to juggle. Sometimes a design has to be frozen in time and kept the same- just to start making many of them and to make money.  It really all comes down to the perspective which is prioritized and the demands when the design reaches a static point. ... What I\u2019ve learned, is that every design has a story and reasoning behind it. You\u2019ll see something and think- that\u2019s so hard to service! But... the original goal of the design was just to make it a better product for the customer with improved performance- so no one looked out for serviceability. ... If you\u2019re interested OP, I think engineering, (in general) is a great field to dig into! And the best people in making things are the people who see something and go, \u201cthat\u2019s dumb- there\u2019s a better way.\u201d It doesn\u2019t matter if you\u2019re the little man or the manager- the best ideas should win out before the title of the person does.","human_ref_B":"I'm yet to meet any engineer that would design something to be difficult to make on purpose.   It could be the only way to meet specifications, constraints, or work around existing things. Sometimes the choice is aesthetic. Sometimes, it is simply ignorance: maybe the engineer doesn't know it is hard to build because nobody ever told or shown them?  I'm working in electronics and I've personally had to sacrifice manufacturability to meet certain constraints. I've also used a very exotic board layer stackup while I didn't have to, because I wrongfully assumed it was common and readily available. Our manufacturer didn't ask about that until 4 years and 10 projects had passed; they assumed there was a good reason to use it, despite it costing more and leading to longer production times.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8851.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goyi2tb","c_root_id_B":"gozwfcf","created_at_utc_A":1614410521,"created_at_utc_B":1614432310,"score_A":4,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"The work I\u2019ve done has always been on manufactured products, (different from your field of construction OP.) I try to put in the time to make contributions to everyone involved meaningful. My background is in testing, so my job was to sorta, find the weak points of a design and document the issues. Basically- rooting out issues of design. Creating a record of which issues in a design need to be reconsidered- or to create tests for quality or manufacturing operators to check the products.  ... There are so many people involved in the creation of a physical product- it\u2019s incredible! From manufacturing operators, fabricators, machinists, field technicians, quality engineers, original supplier\u2019s perspective, designers, etc...  But, also remember there are purchasers, accountants, inspectors, material shippers, packaging constraints, standards on product design for the public, (example: food equipment must be made of materials that are: non-porous for no mold, cleans easily, material is safe to ingest, etc...) and most importantly CUSTOMER input of the final product.   Eventually all of these perspectives come into play in designs and compete for attention. The mentors in my career have always fought for the \u201clittle man.\u201d They\u2019ve trained me to look for how to make a design easier to assemble, less time-consuming, or  less back-breaking, less tedious, or more consistent in the process etc... But there are just so many perspectives to juggle. Sometimes a design has to be frozen in time and kept the same- just to start making many of them and to make money.  It really all comes down to the perspective which is prioritized and the demands when the design reaches a static point. ... What I\u2019ve learned, is that every design has a story and reasoning behind it. You\u2019ll see something and think- that\u2019s so hard to service! But... the original goal of the design was just to make it a better product for the customer with improved performance- so no one looked out for serviceability. ... If you\u2019re interested OP, I think engineering, (in general) is a great field to dig into! And the best people in making things are the people who see something and go, \u201cthat\u2019s dumb- there\u2019s a better way.\u201d It doesn\u2019t matter if you\u2019re the little man or the manager- the best ideas should win out before the title of the person does.","human_ref_B":"Depends on the industry and proximity.   Where I work, the hangars where we install all of our mods are a 30 second walk away. The installation techs are in our offices every day to bring up issues they've found, and we're climbing over the aircraft all the time to make sure our plans to meet the customers' requirements can actually be installed.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":21789.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goxwh13","c_root_id_B":"goyi2tb","created_at_utc_A":1614399161,"created_at_utc_B":1614410521,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Before I completed my engineering degree I worked for a commercial plumbing company and I would hear complaints about the engineers who do just that: not think about the builders.  You have to get out there as much as possible and I try to reflect that in any drawings I produce, make sure whoever builds it can easily read it and I try to understand what the cost is on the field to go left instead of right with a conduit, how tough it is to pull wiring, that you cant \"just drill another hole\" through that wall, etc.  Just because code allows it, doesn't mean it's the best thing to do, and that ignoring the implications of what you ask will cost you in the end anyway as extra hours, so yes listen to \"the little guys\".  Anything an electrician tells me about what it's like onsite, I take note and add it to my checklist to consider.  Have nothing but respect for you guys. Honestly I'm just drawing lines with crayons on a piece of paper and my company thinks it's a valid reason to pay me because another piece of paper framed on my wall says I'm really good at math.  New engineers: GET. FIELD. EXPERIENCE. DONT STAY AT YOUR DESK.","human_ref_B":"The work I\u2019ve done has always been on manufactured products, (different from your field of construction OP.) I try to put in the time to make contributions to everyone involved meaningful. My background is in testing, so my job was to sorta, find the weak points of a design and document the issues. Basically- rooting out issues of design. Creating a record of which issues in a design need to be reconsidered- or to create tests for quality or manufacturing operators to check the products.  ... There are so many people involved in the creation of a physical product- it\u2019s incredible! From manufacturing operators, fabricators, machinists, field technicians, quality engineers, original supplier\u2019s perspective, designers, etc...  But, also remember there are purchasers, accountants, inspectors, material shippers, packaging constraints, standards on product design for the public, (example: food equipment must be made of materials that are: non-porous for no mold, cleans easily, material is safe to ingest, etc...) and most importantly CUSTOMER input of the final product.   Eventually all of these perspectives come into play in designs and compete for attention. The mentors in my career have always fought for the \u201clittle man.\u201d They\u2019ve trained me to look for how to make a design easier to assemble, less time-consuming, or  less back-breaking, less tedious, or more consistent in the process etc... But there are just so many perspectives to juggle. Sometimes a design has to be frozen in time and kept the same- just to start making many of them and to make money.  It really all comes down to the perspective which is prioritized and the demands when the design reaches a static point. ... What I\u2019ve learned, is that every design has a story and reasoning behind it. You\u2019ll see something and think- that\u2019s so hard to service! But... the original goal of the design was just to make it a better product for the customer with improved performance- so no one looked out for serviceability. ... If you\u2019re interested OP, I think engineering, (in general) is a great field to dig into! And the best people in making things are the people who see something and go, \u201cthat\u2019s dumb- there\u2019s a better way.\u201d It doesn\u2019t matter if you\u2019re the little man or the manager- the best ideas should win out before the title of the person does.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11360.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goyi2tb","c_root_id_B":"goye2qo","created_at_utc_A":1614410521,"created_at_utc_B":1614407842,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"The work I\u2019ve done has always been on manufactured products, (different from your field of construction OP.) I try to put in the time to make contributions to everyone involved meaningful. My background is in testing, so my job was to sorta, find the weak points of a design and document the issues. Basically- rooting out issues of design. Creating a record of which issues in a design need to be reconsidered- or to create tests for quality or manufacturing operators to check the products.  ... There are so many people involved in the creation of a physical product- it\u2019s incredible! From manufacturing operators, fabricators, machinists, field technicians, quality engineers, original supplier\u2019s perspective, designers, etc...  But, also remember there are purchasers, accountants, inspectors, material shippers, packaging constraints, standards on product design for the public, (example: food equipment must be made of materials that are: non-porous for no mold, cleans easily, material is safe to ingest, etc...) and most importantly CUSTOMER input of the final product.   Eventually all of these perspectives come into play in designs and compete for attention. The mentors in my career have always fought for the \u201clittle man.\u201d They\u2019ve trained me to look for how to make a design easier to assemble, less time-consuming, or  less back-breaking, less tedious, or more consistent in the process etc... But there are just so many perspectives to juggle. Sometimes a design has to be frozen in time and kept the same- just to start making many of them and to make money.  It really all comes down to the perspective which is prioritized and the demands when the design reaches a static point. ... What I\u2019ve learned, is that every design has a story and reasoning behind it. You\u2019ll see something and think- that\u2019s so hard to service! But... the original goal of the design was just to make it a better product for the customer with improved performance- so no one looked out for serviceability. ... If you\u2019re interested OP, I think engineering, (in general) is a great field to dig into! And the best people in making things are the people who see something and go, \u201cthat\u2019s dumb- there\u2019s a better way.\u201d It doesn\u2019t matter if you\u2019re the little man or the manager- the best ideas should win out before the title of the person does.","human_ref_B":"I just got back from helping out install sensors on garbage trucks. We were helped by third shift guys, but we were turning wrenches and getting under vehicles. Im not a third shift worker, it was a long day.  What happens is a series of compromises. After market sensors trying to prove out new technology for OEMs to bite is going out and just finding whatever fleet managers are interested. Whatever location we can find, we are trying to get it on there.   Cost of labor, estimated annual units sold, ergonomics, and whatever my PM wants to be an asshole about drive my decisions. At the end of the day im just a dude that wants to make the least amount of people unhappy. This doesnt leave room for many people to be happy.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2679.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goyted8","c_root_id_B":"goyqngu","created_at_utc_A":1614419372,"created_at_utc_B":1614416641,"score_A":5,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I'm yet to meet any engineer that would design something to be difficult to make on purpose.   It could be the only way to meet specifications, constraints, or work around existing things. Sometimes the choice is aesthetic. Sometimes, it is simply ignorance: maybe the engineer doesn't know it is hard to build because nobody ever told or shown them?  I'm working in electronics and I've personally had to sacrifice manufacturability to meet certain constraints. I've also used a very exotic board layer stackup while I didn't have to, because I wrongfully assumed it was common and readily available. Our manufacturer didn't ask about that until 4 years and 10 projects had passed; they assumed there was a good reason to use it, despite it costing more and leading to longer production times.","human_ref_B":"field experience is what separates good engineers from the bad ones. as for you, that's just the luck of the draw(ing) - maybe your plans were done by an EIT w\/o guidance, who the hell knows - but I can tell you there are plenty of terrible engineers out there who should have their license revoked - i'll end my rant here...","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2731.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goyqngu","c_root_id_B":"gozwfcf","created_at_utc_A":1614416641,"created_at_utc_B":1614432310,"score_A":4,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"field experience is what separates good engineers from the bad ones. as for you, that's just the luck of the draw(ing) - maybe your plans were done by an EIT w\/o guidance, who the hell knows - but I can tell you there are plenty of terrible engineers out there who should have their license revoked - i'll end my rant here...","human_ref_B":"Depends on the industry and proximity.   Where I work, the hangars where we install all of our mods are a 30 second walk away. The installation techs are in our offices every day to bring up issues they've found, and we're climbing over the aircraft all the time to make sure our plans to meet the customers' requirements can actually be installed.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":15669.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goyqngu","c_root_id_B":"goxwh13","created_at_utc_A":1614416641,"created_at_utc_B":1614399161,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"field experience is what separates good engineers from the bad ones. as for you, that's just the luck of the draw(ing) - maybe your plans were done by an EIT w\/o guidance, who the hell knows - but I can tell you there are plenty of terrible engineers out there who should have their license revoked - i'll end my rant here...","human_ref_B":"Before I completed my engineering degree I worked for a commercial plumbing company and I would hear complaints about the engineers who do just that: not think about the builders.  You have to get out there as much as possible and I try to reflect that in any drawings I produce, make sure whoever builds it can easily read it and I try to understand what the cost is on the field to go left instead of right with a conduit, how tough it is to pull wiring, that you cant \"just drill another hole\" through that wall, etc.  Just because code allows it, doesn't mean it's the best thing to do, and that ignoring the implications of what you ask will cost you in the end anyway as extra hours, so yes listen to \"the little guys\".  Anything an electrician tells me about what it's like onsite, I take note and add it to my checklist to consider.  Have nothing but respect for you guys. Honestly I'm just drawing lines with crayons on a piece of paper and my company thinks it's a valid reason to pay me because another piece of paper framed on my wall says I'm really good at math.  New engineers: GET. FIELD. EXPERIENCE. DONT STAY AT YOUR DESK.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":17480.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goye2qo","c_root_id_B":"goyqngu","created_at_utc_A":1614407842,"created_at_utc_B":1614416641,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I just got back from helping out install sensors on garbage trucks. We were helped by third shift guys, but we were turning wrenches and getting under vehicles. Im not a third shift worker, it was a long day.  What happens is a series of compromises. After market sensors trying to prove out new technology for OEMs to bite is going out and just finding whatever fleet managers are interested. Whatever location we can find, we are trying to get it on there.   Cost of labor, estimated annual units sold, ergonomics, and whatever my PM wants to be an asshole about drive my decisions. At the end of the day im just a dude that wants to make the least amount of people unhappy. This doesnt leave room for many people to be happy.","human_ref_B":"field experience is what separates good engineers from the bad ones. as for you, that's just the luck of the draw(ing) - maybe your plans were done by an EIT w\/o guidance, who the hell knows - but I can tell you there are plenty of terrible engineers out there who should have their license revoked - i'll end my rant here...","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8799.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goyqngu","c_root_id_B":"goyi5ul","created_at_utc_A":1614416641,"created_at_utc_B":1614410596,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"field experience is what separates good engineers from the bad ones. as for you, that's just the luck of the draw(ing) - maybe your plans were done by an EIT w\/o guidance, who the hell knows - but I can tell you there are plenty of terrible engineers out there who should have their license revoked - i'll end my rant here...","human_ref_B":"As a working electrical engineer, I can't imagine my job without the help of my technicians and lab assistants. A good engineer will learn early on that the easier I make their job, the better results for my job. Thinking of the \"little guys\" is a great way to make everybody's job easier.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6045.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goyknjb","c_root_id_B":"goyqngu","created_at_utc_A":1614412925,"created_at_utc_B":1614416641,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"In my line of work, the amount of regulations and part specifications make it to where some designs come out less user friendly then I would like. I do try my best to make it as easy as I can and lessen the amount of labor and frustration put into the manufacturing.   These regulations are usually mandated by an organization (OSHA, Local, and State) as well as any engineering specific organizations. Also, if a company uses an engineering firm or contractor company to do most their designs the list of regulations is unbareably long.   One last downside is the fact that most engineers have to report or get approval for designs by a Professional Engineer (PE), and if they don't like what they see then they don't approve the design.","human_ref_B":"field experience is what separates good engineers from the bad ones. as for you, that's just the luck of the draw(ing) - maybe your plans were done by an EIT w\/o guidance, who the hell knows - but I can tell you there are plenty of terrible engineers out there who should have their license revoked - i'll end my rant here...","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3716.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goxvsa3","c_root_id_B":"goyted8","created_at_utc_A":1614398938,"created_at_utc_B":1614419372,"score_A":4,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Not in the automotive industry, specifically German cars. The amount of tear down required to remove and replace some parts is ridiculous it's as if the engineers think so highly of their designs that's it's inconceivable they'll require any type of repairs ever...","human_ref_B":"I'm yet to meet any engineer that would design something to be difficult to make on purpose.   It could be the only way to meet specifications, constraints, or work around existing things. Sometimes the choice is aesthetic. Sometimes, it is simply ignorance: maybe the engineer doesn't know it is hard to build because nobody ever told or shown them?  I'm working in electronics and I've personally had to sacrifice manufacturability to meet certain constraints. I've also used a very exotic board layer stackup while I didn't have to, because I wrongfully assumed it was common and readily available. Our manufacturer didn't ask about that until 4 years and 10 projects had passed; they assumed there was a good reason to use it, despite it costing more and leading to longer production times.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":20434.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goxwh13","c_root_id_B":"goyted8","created_at_utc_A":1614399161,"created_at_utc_B":1614419372,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Before I completed my engineering degree I worked for a commercial plumbing company and I would hear complaints about the engineers who do just that: not think about the builders.  You have to get out there as much as possible and I try to reflect that in any drawings I produce, make sure whoever builds it can easily read it and I try to understand what the cost is on the field to go left instead of right with a conduit, how tough it is to pull wiring, that you cant \"just drill another hole\" through that wall, etc.  Just because code allows it, doesn't mean it's the best thing to do, and that ignoring the implications of what you ask will cost you in the end anyway as extra hours, so yes listen to \"the little guys\".  Anything an electrician tells me about what it's like onsite, I take note and add it to my checklist to consider.  Have nothing but respect for you guys. Honestly I'm just drawing lines with crayons on a piece of paper and my company thinks it's a valid reason to pay me because another piece of paper framed on my wall says I'm really good at math.  New engineers: GET. FIELD. EXPERIENCE. DONT STAY AT YOUR DESK.","human_ref_B":"I'm yet to meet any engineer that would design something to be difficult to make on purpose.   It could be the only way to meet specifications, constraints, or work around existing things. Sometimes the choice is aesthetic. Sometimes, it is simply ignorance: maybe the engineer doesn't know it is hard to build because nobody ever told or shown them?  I'm working in electronics and I've personally had to sacrifice manufacturability to meet certain constraints. I've also used a very exotic board layer stackup while I didn't have to, because I wrongfully assumed it was common and readily available. Our manufacturer didn't ask about that until 4 years and 10 projects had passed; they assumed there was a good reason to use it, despite it costing more and leading to longer production times.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":20211.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goyted8","c_root_id_B":"goye2qo","created_at_utc_A":1614419372,"created_at_utc_B":1614407842,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I'm yet to meet any engineer that would design something to be difficult to make on purpose.   It could be the only way to meet specifications, constraints, or work around existing things. Sometimes the choice is aesthetic. Sometimes, it is simply ignorance: maybe the engineer doesn't know it is hard to build because nobody ever told or shown them?  I'm working in electronics and I've personally had to sacrifice manufacturability to meet certain constraints. I've also used a very exotic board layer stackup while I didn't have to, because I wrongfully assumed it was common and readily available. Our manufacturer didn't ask about that until 4 years and 10 projects had passed; they assumed there was a good reason to use it, despite it costing more and leading to longer production times.","human_ref_B":"I just got back from helping out install sensors on garbage trucks. We were helped by third shift guys, but we were turning wrenches and getting under vehicles. Im not a third shift worker, it was a long day.  What happens is a series of compromises. After market sensors trying to prove out new technology for OEMs to bite is going out and just finding whatever fleet managers are interested. Whatever location we can find, we are trying to get it on there.   Cost of labor, estimated annual units sold, ergonomics, and whatever my PM wants to be an asshole about drive my decisions. At the end of the day im just a dude that wants to make the least amount of people unhappy. This doesnt leave room for many people to be happy.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":11530.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goyted8","c_root_id_B":"goyi5ul","created_at_utc_A":1614419372,"created_at_utc_B":1614410596,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I'm yet to meet any engineer that would design something to be difficult to make on purpose.   It could be the only way to meet specifications, constraints, or work around existing things. Sometimes the choice is aesthetic. Sometimes, it is simply ignorance: maybe the engineer doesn't know it is hard to build because nobody ever told or shown them?  I'm working in electronics and I've personally had to sacrifice manufacturability to meet certain constraints. I've also used a very exotic board layer stackup while I didn't have to, because I wrongfully assumed it was common and readily available. Our manufacturer didn't ask about that until 4 years and 10 projects had passed; they assumed there was a good reason to use it, despite it costing more and leading to longer production times.","human_ref_B":"As a working electrical engineer, I can't imagine my job without the help of my technicians and lab assistants. A good engineer will learn early on that the easier I make their job, the better results for my job. Thinking of the \"little guys\" is a great way to make everybody's job easier.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8776.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goyknjb","c_root_id_B":"goyted8","created_at_utc_A":1614412925,"created_at_utc_B":1614419372,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"In my line of work, the amount of regulations and part specifications make it to where some designs come out less user friendly then I would like. I do try my best to make it as easy as I can and lessen the amount of labor and frustration put into the manufacturing.   These regulations are usually mandated by an organization (OSHA, Local, and State) as well as any engineering specific organizations. Also, if a company uses an engineering firm or contractor company to do most their designs the list of regulations is unbareably long.   One last downside is the fact that most engineers have to report or get approval for designs by a Professional Engineer (PE), and if they don't like what they see then they don't approve the design.","human_ref_B":"I'm yet to meet any engineer that would design something to be difficult to make on purpose.   It could be the only way to meet specifications, constraints, or work around existing things. Sometimes the choice is aesthetic. Sometimes, it is simply ignorance: maybe the engineer doesn't know it is hard to build because nobody ever told or shown them?  I'm working in electronics and I've personally had to sacrifice manufacturability to meet certain constraints. I've also used a very exotic board layer stackup while I didn't have to, because I wrongfully assumed it was common and readily available. Our manufacturer didn't ask about that until 4 years and 10 projects had passed; they assumed there was a good reason to use it, despite it costing more and leading to longer production times.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6447.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"gozwfcf","c_root_id_B":"goxvsa3","created_at_utc_A":1614432310,"created_at_utc_B":1614398938,"score_A":5,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Depends on the industry and proximity.   Where I work, the hangars where we install all of our mods are a 30 second walk away. The installation techs are in our offices every day to bring up issues they've found, and we're climbing over the aircraft all the time to make sure our plans to meet the customers' requirements can actually be installed.","human_ref_B":"Not in the automotive industry, specifically German cars. The amount of tear down required to remove and replace some parts is ridiculous it's as if the engineers think so highly of their designs that's it's inconceivable they'll require any type of repairs ever...","labels":1,"seconds_difference":33372.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"gozwfcf","c_root_id_B":"goxwh13","created_at_utc_A":1614432310,"created_at_utc_B":1614399161,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Depends on the industry and proximity.   Where I work, the hangars where we install all of our mods are a 30 second walk away. The installation techs are in our offices every day to bring up issues they've found, and we're climbing over the aircraft all the time to make sure our plans to meet the customers' requirements can actually be installed.","human_ref_B":"Before I completed my engineering degree I worked for a commercial plumbing company and I would hear complaints about the engineers who do just that: not think about the builders.  You have to get out there as much as possible and I try to reflect that in any drawings I produce, make sure whoever builds it can easily read it and I try to understand what the cost is on the field to go left instead of right with a conduit, how tough it is to pull wiring, that you cant \"just drill another hole\" through that wall, etc.  Just because code allows it, doesn't mean it's the best thing to do, and that ignoring the implications of what you ask will cost you in the end anyway as extra hours, so yes listen to \"the little guys\".  Anything an electrician tells me about what it's like onsite, I take note and add it to my checklist to consider.  Have nothing but respect for you guys. Honestly I'm just drawing lines with crayons on a piece of paper and my company thinks it's a valid reason to pay me because another piece of paper framed on my wall says I'm really good at math.  New engineers: GET. FIELD. EXPERIENCE. DONT STAY AT YOUR DESK.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":33149.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"gozwfcf","c_root_id_B":"goye2qo","created_at_utc_A":1614432310,"created_at_utc_B":1614407842,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Depends on the industry and proximity.   Where I work, the hangars where we install all of our mods are a 30 second walk away. The installation techs are in our offices every day to bring up issues they've found, and we're climbing over the aircraft all the time to make sure our plans to meet the customers' requirements can actually be installed.","human_ref_B":"I just got back from helping out install sensors on garbage trucks. We were helped by third shift guys, but we were turning wrenches and getting under vehicles. Im not a third shift worker, it was a long day.  What happens is a series of compromises. After market sensors trying to prove out new technology for OEMs to bite is going out and just finding whatever fleet managers are interested. Whatever location we can find, we are trying to get it on there.   Cost of labor, estimated annual units sold, ergonomics, and whatever my PM wants to be an asshole about drive my decisions. At the end of the day im just a dude that wants to make the least amount of people unhappy. This doesnt leave room for many people to be happy.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":24468.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goyi5ul","c_root_id_B":"gozwfcf","created_at_utc_A":1614410596,"created_at_utc_B":1614432310,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"As a working electrical engineer, I can't imagine my job without the help of my technicians and lab assistants. A good engineer will learn early on that the easier I make their job, the better results for my job. Thinking of the \"little guys\" is a great way to make everybody's job easier.","human_ref_B":"Depends on the industry and proximity.   Where I work, the hangars where we install all of our mods are a 30 second walk away. The installation techs are in our offices every day to bring up issues they've found, and we're climbing over the aircraft all the time to make sure our plans to meet the customers' requirements can actually be installed.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":21714.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goyknjb","c_root_id_B":"gozwfcf","created_at_utc_A":1614412925,"created_at_utc_B":1614432310,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"In my line of work, the amount of regulations and part specifications make it to where some designs come out less user friendly then I would like. I do try my best to make it as easy as I can and lessen the amount of labor and frustration put into the manufacturing.   These regulations are usually mandated by an organization (OSHA, Local, and State) as well as any engineering specific organizations. Also, if a company uses an engineering firm or contractor company to do most their designs the list of regulations is unbareably long.   One last downside is the fact that most engineers have to report or get approval for designs by a Professional Engineer (PE), and if they don't like what they see then they don't approve the design.","human_ref_B":"Depends on the industry and proximity.   Where I work, the hangars where we install all of our mods are a 30 second walk away. The installation techs are in our offices every day to bring up issues they've found, and we're climbing over the aircraft all the time to make sure our plans to meet the customers' requirements can actually be installed.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":19385.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"gozwfcf","c_root_id_B":"goziv8c","created_at_utc_A":1614432310,"created_at_utc_B":1614428881,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Depends on the industry and proximity.   Where I work, the hangars where we install all of our mods are a 30 second walk away. The installation techs are in our offices every day to bring up issues they've found, and we're climbing over the aircraft all the time to make sure our plans to meet the customers' requirements can actually be installed.","human_ref_B":"Absolutely, yes, we think about you in our designs.  We also sometimes are forced to say, \u201cwell, this is going to be a pain in the field\u201d due to technical requirements.  That being said, there are engineers who haven\u2019t spent the time in the field, but also have egos and don\u2019t want to compromise their design for you.  Sometimes this gets caught before going out the door, but we can\u2019t catch everything and try to get feedback from the field to fix things.  Reality is, once it\u2019s out the door, it will have to be a pretty big problem to get the design redone to improve serviceability.     The last part is, at least in my industry, we don\u2019t get good feedback from the field.  Our sites are in remote places and the jobs are done under a tight time schedule.  Everyone is focused on what is in front of them, bitches about the shitty design while on the job, then is moved on to another job.  There isn\u2019t always a robust feedback loop with the field.  Edit:  also, your example of electrical systems made me laugh a bit.  I\u2019d say those are some of the least service friendly designs in what I do.  Our latest designs are definitely fixing it, but electrical layouts at a power plant can be a nightmare.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3429.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goxwh13","c_root_id_B":"gp2by5f","created_at_utc_A":1614399161,"created_at_utc_B":1614454954,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Before I completed my engineering degree I worked for a commercial plumbing company and I would hear complaints about the engineers who do just that: not think about the builders.  You have to get out there as much as possible and I try to reflect that in any drawings I produce, make sure whoever builds it can easily read it and I try to understand what the cost is on the field to go left instead of right with a conduit, how tough it is to pull wiring, that you cant \"just drill another hole\" through that wall, etc.  Just because code allows it, doesn't mean it's the best thing to do, and that ignoring the implications of what you ask will cost you in the end anyway as extra hours, so yes listen to \"the little guys\".  Anything an electrician tells me about what it's like onsite, I take note and add it to my checklist to consider.  Have nothing but respect for you guys. Honestly I'm just drawing lines with crayons on a piece of paper and my company thinks it's a valid reason to pay me because another piece of paper framed on my wall says I'm really good at math.  New engineers: GET. FIELD. EXPERIENCE. DONT STAY AT YOUR DESK.","human_ref_B":"Not enough.  I've been a civil for nearly 20 years, working in the public works sector.  I started in development plan review, started designing projects, and now work in operations, so I've seen a pretty broad spectrum.    As a design engineer, I thought I was an in the weeds guy, working closely with ops, but now that I'm 100% in ops, I'm really in the weeds.    Some lessons I've learned:  * Engineers, listen to the boots on the ground guys, they truly are the experts in constructability and operability. * Ops guys, keep in mind that you only see a small piece of the pie, there are a lot more constraints than you realize in terms of regulations, future planning and politics.  There's more to this than this project.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":55793.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"gp2by5f","c_root_id_B":"goye2qo","created_at_utc_A":1614454954,"created_at_utc_B":1614407842,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Not enough.  I've been a civil for nearly 20 years, working in the public works sector.  I started in development plan review, started designing projects, and now work in operations, so I've seen a pretty broad spectrum.    As a design engineer, I thought I was an in the weeds guy, working closely with ops, but now that I'm 100% in ops, I'm really in the weeds.    Some lessons I've learned:  * Engineers, listen to the boots on the ground guys, they truly are the experts in constructability and operability. * Ops guys, keep in mind that you only see a small piece of the pie, there are a lot more constraints than you realize in terms of regulations, future planning and politics.  There's more to this than this project.","human_ref_B":"I just got back from helping out install sensors on garbage trucks. We were helped by third shift guys, but we were turning wrenches and getting under vehicles. Im not a third shift worker, it was a long day.  What happens is a series of compromises. After market sensors trying to prove out new technology for OEMs to bite is going out and just finding whatever fleet managers are interested. Whatever location we can find, we are trying to get it on there.   Cost of labor, estimated annual units sold, ergonomics, and whatever my PM wants to be an asshole about drive my decisions. At the end of the day im just a dude that wants to make the least amount of people unhappy. This doesnt leave room for many people to be happy.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":47112.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"goyi5ul","c_root_id_B":"gp2by5f","created_at_utc_A":1614410596,"created_at_utc_B":1614454954,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"As a working electrical engineer, I can't imagine my job without the help of my technicians and lab assistants. A good engineer will learn early on that the easier I make their job, the better results for my job. Thinking of the \"little guys\" is a great way to make everybody's job easier.","human_ref_B":"Not enough.  I've been a civil for nearly 20 years, working in the public works sector.  I started in development plan review, started designing projects, and now work in operations, so I've seen a pretty broad spectrum.    As a design engineer, I thought I was an in the weeds guy, working closely with ops, but now that I'm 100% in ops, I'm really in the weeds.    Some lessons I've learned:  * Engineers, listen to the boots on the ground guys, they truly are the experts in constructability and operability. * Ops guys, keep in mind that you only see a small piece of the pie, there are a lot more constraints than you realize in terms of regulations, future planning and politics.  There's more to this than this project.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":44358.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"gp2by5f","c_root_id_B":"goyknjb","created_at_utc_A":1614454954,"created_at_utc_B":1614412925,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Not enough.  I've been a civil for nearly 20 years, working in the public works sector.  I started in development plan review, started designing projects, and now work in operations, so I've seen a pretty broad spectrum.    As a design engineer, I thought I was an in the weeds guy, working closely with ops, but now that I'm 100% in ops, I'm really in the weeds.    Some lessons I've learned:  * Engineers, listen to the boots on the ground guys, they truly are the experts in constructability and operability. * Ops guys, keep in mind that you only see a small piece of the pie, there are a lot more constraints than you realize in terms of regulations, future planning and politics.  There's more to this than this project.","human_ref_B":"In my line of work, the amount of regulations and part specifications make it to where some designs come out less user friendly then I would like. I do try my best to make it as easy as I can and lessen the amount of labor and frustration put into the manufacturing.   These regulations are usually mandated by an organization (OSHA, Local, and State) as well as any engineering specific organizations. Also, if a company uses an engineering firm or contractor company to do most their designs the list of regulations is unbareably long.   One last downside is the fact that most engineers have to report or get approval for designs by a Professional Engineer (PE), and if they don't like what they see then they don't approve the design.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":42029.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"gp2by5f","c_root_id_B":"goziv8c","created_at_utc_A":1614454954,"created_at_utc_B":1614428881,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Not enough.  I've been a civil for nearly 20 years, working in the public works sector.  I started in development plan review, started designing projects, and now work in operations, so I've seen a pretty broad spectrum.    As a design engineer, I thought I was an in the weeds guy, working closely with ops, but now that I'm 100% in ops, I'm really in the weeds.    Some lessons I've learned:  * Engineers, listen to the boots on the ground guys, they truly are the experts in constructability and operability. * Ops guys, keep in mind that you only see a small piece of the pie, there are a lot more constraints than you realize in terms of regulations, future planning and politics.  There's more to this than this project.","human_ref_B":"Absolutely, yes, we think about you in our designs.  We also sometimes are forced to say, \u201cwell, this is going to be a pain in the field\u201d due to technical requirements.  That being said, there are engineers who haven\u2019t spent the time in the field, but also have egos and don\u2019t want to compromise their design for you.  Sometimes this gets caught before going out the door, but we can\u2019t catch everything and try to get feedback from the field to fix things.  Reality is, once it\u2019s out the door, it will have to be a pretty big problem to get the design redone to improve serviceability.     The last part is, at least in my industry, we don\u2019t get good feedback from the field.  Our sites are in remote places and the jobs are done under a tight time schedule.  Everyone is focused on what is in front of them, bitches about the shitty design while on the job, then is moved on to another job.  There isn\u2019t always a robust feedback loop with the field.  Edit:  also, your example of electrical systems made me laugh a bit.  I\u2019d say those are some of the least service friendly designs in what I do.  Our latest designs are definitely fixing it, but electrical layouts at a power plant can be a nightmare.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":26073.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"gp03zh0","c_root_id_B":"gp2by5f","created_at_utc_A":1614434029,"created_at_utc_B":1614454954,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"This is particularly obnoxious for consumer products.  I had a Black & Decker coffee maker.  Made good coffee.  But stuff happens. You snatch an early cup, and it overflows.    * The basket carrier swung out.  You lifted the basket out to empty it.  The inside of the basket was all ribs. * Now, figure out how to clean it.  You had to dissassemble the machine to free the basket carrier.  OR you could take the entire machine over to the sink, and try to spray it out \\*without getting water into the interior\\* * On top of that the outside case had numerous right angles that were hard to clean.  I threw it out, and have never bought anything from B&D again.  &#x200B;  \\*\\*\\*  Lots of times the guys who make things don't use them.  A local company gets a lot of their stuff custom made in China with their trademarks.   They have a whole line of tools that are black or very dark blue.  I don't buy tools from them any more even though they are reasonably good tools.  Just because they are black.  Put down a black crowbar.  Find it with your lawn mower a year later.  All my crowbars now are powder coated bright yellow.  (Which is still a bad colour in late summer.)  Hot pink, international orange, sky blue are good colours.  I lost a GPS once.  Olive green, another colour that vanishes.  Tools that require manipulation:  box knives, pruning shears, power tools with hand openings  that cannot be used with gloves on are another issue.  Take kitchens.  I saw a plan for a cheap worker's cottage for use in the American south.  It was 16x24 built on pylons (inexpensive foundation) it had open plywood shelves instead of cupboards.  But the neat thing:  It had counters at 3 different elevations.  And the heights were set for easy use by women.  Most were about 2\" lower than modern counter tops.  One was the right height for kneading bread. The sink was set up so that you could have a straight back and touch the bottom of the sink.  There is a whole science called \"human ergonomics\" about how to size\/place things to make them more usable.  A lot of building code stuff comes out of this area.  Hand rails in particular, but stair tread gradients, step height, tread width, nosing.  &#x200B;  \\*\\*\\*  Often stuff isn't designed to be maintained, or sometimes is deliberately designed to be difficult to maintain.  I had a car that it took 3 hours to replace a light in the dash.  I've heard stories about vehicles where you have to remove the body to change the spark plugs.  In general airplanes and ships are designed to be maintained.  Houses, cars, and cities are not.  Whenever I have to do \\*any\\* plumbing work on my house:  * I install a shutoff for that line.  If I have to fix it once, I will have to fix it again.  So NEXT tme I don't have to turn off half the house to fix it. * ALL plumbing connections are accessible.","human_ref_B":"Not enough.  I've been a civil for nearly 20 years, working in the public works sector.  I started in development plan review, started designing projects, and now work in operations, so I've seen a pretty broad spectrum.    As a design engineer, I thought I was an in the weeds guy, working closely with ops, but now that I'm 100% in ops, I'm really in the weeds.    Some lessons I've learned:  * Engineers, listen to the boots on the ground guys, they truly are the experts in constructability and operability. * Ops guys, keep in mind that you only see a small piece of the pie, there are a lot more constraints than you realize in terms of regulations, future planning and politics.  There's more to this than this project.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":20925.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"ltfc2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Do engineers think about the little guys? Hello everyone, I\u2019m not sure if this has been asked yet or it\u2019s even relevant but I have been thinking about this for some time and would like your input. I\u2019m not an engineer, but I\u2019m curious if those of you who are think of how things actually get built by the labourers and tradesmen on site. Just as an example I\u2019m in shallow utility construction and I am often perplexed at who the hell thought of designing an electrical system the way the did. A lot of the time it seems like the person drawing up the plans for a project just wants to make things difficult for us. I know that there are regulations and that things are designed the way they are for a reason, and that it\u2019s not just engineers but inspectors, pm\u2019s and everyone in between who needs to do their job so that the project can be completed safely and properly however arduous the task may be once everyone has added their two cents. Do engineers think about how hard something will actually be to build and attempt to make things easier for the guy on the ground, or is it all function in the end?   Ps. This isn\u2019t a dig at engineers, I\u2019ve got nothing but respect for what you people do to keep the world running.","c_root_id_A":"gp1nsi8","c_root_id_B":"gp2by5f","created_at_utc_A":1614448809,"created_at_utc_B":1614454954,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I'm a engineer who deals with roads and stuff.  After meeting minimum requirements (legal) my priorities are safety, maintainability and constructability in that order, balanced with cost.  Sometimes I decide to have something done in a way that seems harder, often that is for future maintenance ( example I put in a lot of conduit when direct bury would be ok, because I believe the wire is better protected and future rework has more options even though it is harder to install)  Most of the issues I see are engineers who never get out of the office and don't really understand HOW things are done, just the end product.  Lots of things looks good on paper until you understand the equipment that actually is used.    I did have the same thoughts today while working on a car at home and was thinking why did somebody design this that way, it is more complicated, more material and no advantage","human_ref_B":"Not enough.  I've been a civil for nearly 20 years, working in the public works sector.  I started in development plan review, started designing projects, and now work in operations, so I've seen a pretty broad spectrum.    As a design engineer, I thought I was an in the weeds guy, working closely with ops, but now that I'm 100% in ops, I'm really in the weeds.    Some lessons I've learned:  * Engineers, listen to the boots on the ground guys, they truly are the experts in constructability and operability. * Ops guys, keep in mind that you only see a small piece of the pie, there are a lot more constraints than you realize in terms of regulations, future planning and politics.  There's more to this than this project.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6145.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"qvpexp","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Current or former Tesla employees.. Is Tesla really that bad for salaried employees? I am in the process of changing jobs and one of the options I was looking st was Tesla in Austin. But whenever I run across a post in reddit it'd always infested with negative comments.  Can the real engineers working there share their experiences?","c_root_id_A":"hkxz9lx","c_root_id_B":"hkxxl4i","created_at_utc_A":1637119677,"created_at_utc_B":1637118902,"score_A":71,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"Important data point: What if the huge portion of your pay which is stock options suddenly lost most of its value?","human_ref_B":"My neighbor is a SWE for Tesla and he loves it. I enjoy talking with him about what he is working on.   So that\u2019s an alternative data point.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":775.0,"score_ratio":5.4615384615}
{"post_id":"qvpexp","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Current or former Tesla employees.. Is Tesla really that bad for salaried employees? I am in the process of changing jobs and one of the options I was looking st was Tesla in Austin. But whenever I run across a post in reddit it'd always infested with negative comments.  Can the real engineers working there share their experiences?","c_root_id_A":"hky50a6","c_root_id_B":"hkxxl4i","created_at_utc_A":1637122467,"created_at_utc_B":1637118902,"score_A":37,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"Have not worked there personally but have a friend that does. He said your expected to be working 50 hour weeks, often weekends. If you have weekend plans but a project is hot and needs to be done, tough luck. He did say he thinks he is in one of the more demanding departments and some might be easier, but overall they work them to the bones it sounds like. He is actively looking to get out, it's not worth the pay he says.","human_ref_B":"My neighbor is a SWE for Tesla and he loves it. I enjoy talking with him about what he is working on.   So that\u2019s an alternative data point.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3565.0,"score_ratio":2.8461538462}
{"post_id":"lgdogu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Mechanical Engineers: Jobs where you don't take work home with you? I've had this \"crazy\" dream that I'd like to have an engineering job where the work (thus stress) does not follow me home. That is, once you get home, your time is your own. All work (or almost all work) is done at the workplace. If anyone has a job like this in engineering, please share what you do and what industry you work in.","c_root_id_A":"gmqtan3","c_root_id_B":"gmqu2be","created_at_utc_A":1612906081,"created_at_utc_B":1612906411,"score_A":49,"score_B":427,"human_ref_A":"HVAC and plumbing.  90% of the time I don't take with home.  There isn't any secret. If you are scheduling your work and managing client expectations you should not be stressed.  You need to have a written schedule. If you have multiple projects (at any given time I am managing about 20 projects) you need to graphically represent your time so you know when you don't have spare time and when you can work on another job.  I make sure my team doesn't work more than 45 hours. Typical weeks are 40 hours with overtime being rare.","human_ref_B":"Defense.    Across all disciplines, in most cases it's literally illegal to take your work home with you.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":330.0,"score_ratio":8.7142857143}
{"post_id":"lgdogu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Mechanical Engineers: Jobs where you don't take work home with you? I've had this \"crazy\" dream that I'd like to have an engineering job where the work (thus stress) does not follow me home. That is, once you get home, your time is your own. All work (or almost all work) is done at the workplace. If anyone has a job like this in engineering, please share what you do and what industry you work in.","c_root_id_A":"gmr09n4","c_root_id_B":"gmqyoys","created_at_utc_A":1612909164,"created_at_utc_B":1612908448,"score_A":347,"score_B":212,"human_ref_A":"Most positions with the government.","human_ref_B":"Just have boundaries man.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":716.0,"score_ratio":1.6367924528}
{"post_id":"lgdogu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Mechanical Engineers: Jobs where you don't take work home with you? I've had this \"crazy\" dream that I'd like to have an engineering job where the work (thus stress) does not follow me home. That is, once you get home, your time is your own. All work (or almost all work) is done at the workplace. If anyone has a job like this in engineering, please share what you do and what industry you work in.","c_root_id_A":"gmqtan3","c_root_id_B":"gmr09n4","created_at_utc_A":1612906081,"created_at_utc_B":1612909164,"score_A":49,"score_B":347,"human_ref_A":"HVAC and plumbing.  90% of the time I don't take with home.  There isn't any secret. If you are scheduling your work and managing client expectations you should not be stressed.  You need to have a written schedule. If you have multiple projects (at any given time I am managing about 20 projects) you need to graphically represent your time so you know when you don't have spare time and when you can work on another job.  I make sure my team doesn't work more than 45 hours. Typical weeks are 40 hours with overtime being rare.","human_ref_B":"Most positions with the government.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3083.0,"score_ratio":7.0816326531}
{"post_id":"lgdogu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Mechanical Engineers: Jobs where you don't take work home with you? I've had this \"crazy\" dream that I'd like to have an engineering job where the work (thus stress) does not follow me home. That is, once you get home, your time is your own. All work (or almost all work) is done at the workplace. If anyone has a job like this in engineering, please share what you do and what industry you work in.","c_root_id_A":"gmqyoys","c_root_id_B":"gmqtan3","created_at_utc_A":1612908448,"created_at_utc_B":1612906081,"score_A":212,"score_B":49,"human_ref_A":"Just have boundaries man.","human_ref_B":"HVAC and plumbing.  90% of the time I don't take with home.  There isn't any secret. If you are scheduling your work and managing client expectations you should not be stressed.  You need to have a written schedule. If you have multiple projects (at any given time I am managing about 20 projects) you need to graphically represent your time so you know when you don't have spare time and when you can work on another job.  I make sure my team doesn't work more than 45 hours. Typical weeks are 40 hours with overtime being rare.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2367.0,"score_ratio":4.3265306122}
{"post_id":"lgdogu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Mechanical Engineers: Jobs where you don't take work home with you? I've had this \"crazy\" dream that I'd like to have an engineering job where the work (thus stress) does not follow me home. That is, once you get home, your time is your own. All work (or almost all work) is done at the workplace. If anyone has a job like this in engineering, please share what you do and what industry you work in.","c_root_id_A":"gmr5i0p","c_root_id_B":"gmr4m5m","created_at_utc_A":1612911683,"created_at_utc_B":1612911237,"score_A":135,"score_B":99,"human_ref_A":"Design and production here (oil & gas).   Just don\u2019t take your work home with you. It\u2019ll still be there in the morning exactly where you left it.  The other half of it is self confidence. Everyone assumes their manager is breathing down their neck to get work done. This is not the case 9\/10 times. Go your own pace and keep a healthy mind. This will ensure the work you do is of a quality level. When the time comes to leave work at the end of the day, pack up and go home. Your papers\/files\/people will be there in the morning.","human_ref_B":"It's not jobs. It's you. You stop bringing your work home.  &#x200B;  That said, do try to pick jobs that minimize overtime.  &#x200B;  I'm in the medical field doing failure analysis and we aren't allowed to bring our work home (cause it's all biohazards).","labels":1,"seconds_difference":446.0,"score_ratio":1.3636363636}
{"post_id":"lgdogu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Mechanical Engineers: Jobs where you don't take work home with you? I've had this \"crazy\" dream that I'd like to have an engineering job where the work (thus stress) does not follow me home. That is, once you get home, your time is your own. All work (or almost all work) is done at the workplace. If anyone has a job like this in engineering, please share what you do and what industry you work in.","c_root_id_A":"gmqtan3","c_root_id_B":"gmr5i0p","created_at_utc_A":1612906081,"created_at_utc_B":1612911683,"score_A":49,"score_B":135,"human_ref_A":"HVAC and plumbing.  90% of the time I don't take with home.  There isn't any secret. If you are scheduling your work and managing client expectations you should not be stressed.  You need to have a written schedule. If you have multiple projects (at any given time I am managing about 20 projects) you need to graphically represent your time so you know when you don't have spare time and when you can work on another job.  I make sure my team doesn't work more than 45 hours. Typical weeks are 40 hours with overtime being rare.","human_ref_B":"Design and production here (oil & gas).   Just don\u2019t take your work home with you. It\u2019ll still be there in the morning exactly where you left it.  The other half of it is self confidence. Everyone assumes their manager is breathing down their neck to get work done. This is not the case 9\/10 times. Go your own pace and keep a healthy mind. This will ensure the work you do is of a quality level. When the time comes to leave work at the end of the day, pack up and go home. Your papers\/files\/people will be there in the morning.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5602.0,"score_ratio":2.7551020408}
{"post_id":"lgdogu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Mechanical Engineers: Jobs where you don't take work home with you? I've had this \"crazy\" dream that I'd like to have an engineering job where the work (thus stress) does not follow me home. That is, once you get home, your time is your own. All work (or almost all work) is done at the workplace. If anyone has a job like this in engineering, please share what you do and what industry you work in.","c_root_id_A":"gmr4x13","c_root_id_B":"gmr5i0p","created_at_utc_A":1612911391,"created_at_utc_B":1612911683,"score_A":22,"score_B":135,"human_ref_A":"I work from home, due to the pandemic.  I'm personally terrible at keeping the two separate because I can't seem to turn my brain off from work.  It's important to establish boundaries with work so it doesn't follow you home.  I think it's also something to inquire about when you are interviewing.  Ask what a typical work week looks like.  If they talk about working 24\/7 and that's \"part of the work culture\", steer clear of those companies.","human_ref_B":"Design and production here (oil & gas).   Just don\u2019t take your work home with you. It\u2019ll still be there in the morning exactly where you left it.  The other half of it is self confidence. Everyone assumes their manager is breathing down their neck to get work done. This is not the case 9\/10 times. Go your own pace and keep a healthy mind. This will ensure the work you do is of a quality level. When the time comes to leave work at the end of the day, pack up and go home. Your papers\/files\/people will be there in the morning.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":292.0,"score_ratio":6.1363636364}
{"post_id":"lgdogu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Mechanical Engineers: Jobs where you don't take work home with you? I've had this \"crazy\" dream that I'd like to have an engineering job where the work (thus stress) does not follow me home. That is, once you get home, your time is your own. All work (or almost all work) is done at the workplace. If anyone has a job like this in engineering, please share what you do and what industry you work in.","c_root_id_A":"gmqtan3","c_root_id_B":"gmr4m5m","created_at_utc_A":1612906081,"created_at_utc_B":1612911237,"score_A":49,"score_B":99,"human_ref_A":"HVAC and plumbing.  90% of the time I don't take with home.  There isn't any secret. If you are scheduling your work and managing client expectations you should not be stressed.  You need to have a written schedule. If you have multiple projects (at any given time I am managing about 20 projects) you need to graphically represent your time so you know when you don't have spare time and when you can work on another job.  I make sure my team doesn't work more than 45 hours. Typical weeks are 40 hours with overtime being rare.","human_ref_B":"It's not jobs. It's you. You stop bringing your work home.  &#x200B;  That said, do try to pick jobs that minimize overtime.  &#x200B;  I'm in the medical field doing failure analysis and we aren't allowed to bring our work home (cause it's all biohazards).","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5156.0,"score_ratio":2.0204081633}
{"post_id":"lgdogu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Mechanical Engineers: Jobs where you don't take work home with you? I've had this \"crazy\" dream that I'd like to have an engineering job where the work (thus stress) does not follow me home. That is, once you get home, your time is your own. All work (or almost all work) is done at the workplace. If anyone has a job like this in engineering, please share what you do and what industry you work in.","c_root_id_A":"gmr4x13","c_root_id_B":"gmrab1x","created_at_utc_A":1612911391,"created_at_utc_B":1612914140,"score_A":22,"score_B":29,"human_ref_A":"I work from home, due to the pandemic.  I'm personally terrible at keeping the two separate because I can't seem to turn my brain off from work.  It's important to establish boundaries with work so it doesn't follow you home.  I think it's also something to inquire about when you are interviewing.  Ask what a typical work week looks like.  If they talk about working 24\/7 and that's \"part of the work culture\", steer clear of those companies.","human_ref_B":"Steer clear of high volume manufacturing. I worked for a plant as an intern, so luckily it didn't apply to me, where the production was done on 1 shift 9 months of the year and 2 shifts during the busy season. This meant that the salaried engineers were having to work ridiculous hours in the busy months to keep the machines running, and even during the rest of the year, it was not uncommon for them to have to come on Saturdays in order to do work that would interfere with production.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2749.0,"score_ratio":1.3181818182}
{"post_id":"lgdogu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Mechanical Engineers: Jobs where you don't take work home with you? I've had this \"crazy\" dream that I'd like to have an engineering job where the work (thus stress) does not follow me home. That is, once you get home, your time is your own. All work (or almost all work) is done at the workplace. If anyone has a job like this in engineering, please share what you do and what industry you work in.","c_root_id_A":"gmrab1x","c_root_id_B":"gmr96a6","created_at_utc_A":1612914140,"created_at_utc_B":1612913576,"score_A":29,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"Steer clear of high volume manufacturing. I worked for a plant as an intern, so luckily it didn't apply to me, where the production was done on 1 shift 9 months of the year and 2 shifts during the busy season. This meant that the salaried engineers were having to work ridiculous hours in the busy months to keep the machines running, and even during the rest of the year, it was not uncommon for them to have to come on Saturdays in order to do work that would interfere with production.","human_ref_B":"You have to build boundaries between work life and home life. I\u2019m a design engineer and I had to get over worrying with work stuff once I leave work (or walk out of the home office with COVID wfh).","labels":1,"seconds_difference":564.0,"score_ratio":2.2307692308}
{"post_id":"lgdogu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Mechanical Engineers: Jobs where you don't take work home with you? I've had this \"crazy\" dream that I'd like to have an engineering job where the work (thus stress) does not follow me home. That is, once you get home, your time is your own. All work (or almost all work) is done at the workplace. If anyone has a job like this in engineering, please share what you do and what industry you work in.","c_root_id_A":"gmrab1x","c_root_id_B":"gmr7y66","created_at_utc_A":1612914140,"created_at_utc_B":1612912915,"score_A":29,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Steer clear of high volume manufacturing. I worked for a plant as an intern, so luckily it didn't apply to me, where the production was done on 1 shift 9 months of the year and 2 shifts during the busy season. This meant that the salaried engineers were having to work ridiculous hours in the busy months to keep the machines running, and even during the rest of the year, it was not uncommon for them to have to come on Saturdays in order to do work that would interfere with production.","human_ref_B":"Consultant company in oil and gas here. Don\u2019t routinely work more than 40 hours a week, and don\u2019t work for a company that demands constant overtime. A couple of really intense deadlines a year is fine and expected, and if your job has a travel component, that will probably result in some weird hours, but most of the time you should draw that boundary and leave work at work. And your bosses should be ok with that.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1225.0,"score_ratio":4.8333333333}
{"post_id":"lgdogu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Mechanical Engineers: Jobs where you don't take work home with you? I've had this \"crazy\" dream that I'd like to have an engineering job where the work (thus stress) does not follow me home. That is, once you get home, your time is your own. All work (or almost all work) is done at the workplace. If anyone has a job like this in engineering, please share what you do and what industry you work in.","c_root_id_A":"gmr4x13","c_root_id_B":"gmrvgfu","created_at_utc_A":1612911391,"created_at_utc_B":1612925119,"score_A":22,"score_B":27,"human_ref_A":"I work from home, due to the pandemic.  I'm personally terrible at keeping the two separate because I can't seem to turn my brain off from work.  It's important to establish boundaries with work so it doesn't follow you home.  I think it's also something to inquire about when you are interviewing.  Ask what a typical work week looks like.  If they talk about working 24\/7 and that's \"part of the work culture\", steer clear of those companies.","human_ref_B":"I\u2019d argue this goes beyond just Engineering. Our workforce is getting heavily taxed. Maybe the work doesn\u2019t come home, but that doesn\u2019t matter when you can\u2019t go home in the first place.   Where I work (private company,  not consulting) the engineers are overloaded. Construction, shop staff and operations are as well, but where I can take mine home, they can\u2019t. At least they get overtime. My rambling point is this:  The C-suite wherever you are will take all you are willing to give and then try for more. Give enough to meet your (personal) goals, whatever they are.   I\u2019ve said in another post here that everywhere I\u2019ve worked implements lean one way. They don\u2019t backfill 5 or so vacancies, (yAy We\u2019Re LeAn NoW) and they only think about the damage that did when another 5 resign in protest within 12 months. They hire back up and the cycle begins anew.   Things in the work culture need to change. More employers need to realize that we work to live, not vice versa, and that we are actually more productive and efficient when we are able to work to live.   But no - people glorify the bastards like Elon who run abusive companies that burn out most of their staff. Yeah. I said it. He\u2019s an ass, at least when it comes to employee treatment. I know enough people that have worked for one of those companies to know I never would.   Sorry. Rant over. Today was rough.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":13728.0,"score_ratio":1.2272727273}
{"post_id":"lgdogu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Mechanical Engineers: Jobs where you don't take work home with you? I've had this \"crazy\" dream that I'd like to have an engineering job where the work (thus stress) does not follow me home. That is, once you get home, your time is your own. All work (or almost all work) is done at the workplace. If anyone has a job like this in engineering, please share what you do and what industry you work in.","c_root_id_A":"gmrdz3d","c_root_id_B":"gmrvgfu","created_at_utc_A":1612915987,"created_at_utc_B":1612925119,"score_A":26,"score_B":27,"human_ref_A":"Stay away from manufacturing","human_ref_B":"I\u2019d argue this goes beyond just Engineering. Our workforce is getting heavily taxed. Maybe the work doesn\u2019t come home, but that doesn\u2019t matter when you can\u2019t go home in the first place.   Where I work (private company,  not consulting) the engineers are overloaded. Construction, shop staff and operations are as well, but where I can take mine home, they can\u2019t. At least they get overtime. My rambling point is this:  The C-suite wherever you are will take all you are willing to give and then try for more. Give enough to meet your (personal) goals, whatever they are.   I\u2019ve said in another post here that everywhere I\u2019ve worked implements lean one way. They don\u2019t backfill 5 or so vacancies, (yAy We\u2019Re LeAn NoW) and they only think about the damage that did when another 5 resign in protest within 12 months. They hire back up and the cycle begins anew.   Things in the work culture need to change. More employers need to realize that we work to live, not vice versa, and that we are actually more productive and efficient when we are able to work to live.   But no - people glorify the bastards like Elon who run abusive companies that burn out most of their staff. Yeah. I said it. He\u2019s an ass, at least when it comes to employee treatment. I know enough people that have worked for one of those companies to know I never would.   Sorry. Rant over. Today was rough.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9132.0,"score_ratio":1.0384615385}
{"post_id":"lgdogu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Mechanical Engineers: Jobs where you don't take work home with you? I've had this \"crazy\" dream that I'd like to have an engineering job where the work (thus stress) does not follow me home. That is, once you get home, your time is your own. All work (or almost all work) is done at the workplace. If anyone has a job like this in engineering, please share what you do and what industry you work in.","c_root_id_A":"gmr96a6","c_root_id_B":"gmrvgfu","created_at_utc_A":1612913576,"created_at_utc_B":1612925119,"score_A":13,"score_B":27,"human_ref_A":"You have to build boundaries between work life and home life. I\u2019m a design engineer and I had to get over worrying with work stuff once I leave work (or walk out of the home office with COVID wfh).","human_ref_B":"I\u2019d argue this goes beyond just Engineering. Our workforce is getting heavily taxed. Maybe the work doesn\u2019t come home, but that doesn\u2019t matter when you can\u2019t go home in the first place.   Where I work (private company,  not consulting) the engineers are overloaded. Construction, shop staff and operations are as well, but where I can take mine home, they can\u2019t. At least they get overtime. My rambling point is this:  The C-suite wherever you are will take all you are willing to give and then try for more. Give enough to meet your (personal) goals, whatever they are.   I\u2019ve said in another post here that everywhere I\u2019ve worked implements lean one way. They don\u2019t backfill 5 or so vacancies, (yAy We\u2019Re LeAn NoW) and they only think about the damage that did when another 5 resign in protest within 12 months. They hire back up and the cycle begins anew.   Things in the work culture need to change. More employers need to realize that we work to live, not vice versa, and that we are actually more productive and efficient when we are able to work to live.   But no - people glorify the bastards like Elon who run abusive companies that burn out most of their staff. Yeah. I said it. He\u2019s an ass, at least when it comes to employee treatment. I know enough people that have worked for one of those companies to know I never would.   Sorry. Rant over. Today was rough.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11543.0,"score_ratio":2.0769230769}
{"post_id":"lgdogu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Mechanical Engineers: Jobs where you don't take work home with you? I've had this \"crazy\" dream that I'd like to have an engineering job where the work (thus stress) does not follow me home. That is, once you get home, your time is your own. All work (or almost all work) is done at the workplace. If anyone has a job like this in engineering, please share what you do and what industry you work in.","c_root_id_A":"gmrannl","c_root_id_B":"gmrvgfu","created_at_utc_A":1612914318,"created_at_utc_B":1612925119,"score_A":13,"score_B":27,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019ll chime in with some of the other folks here and just say it\u2019s probably mostly a mental thing. You gotta make yourself a good life at home and intentionally \u201cturn off\u201d work mode as soon as you\u2019re leaving work. Additionally, yeah, you should probably as a rule not work more than 40 hours per week unless you absolutely have to. Work to live your life, don\u2019t live your life to work!","human_ref_B":"I\u2019d argue this goes beyond just Engineering. Our workforce is getting heavily taxed. Maybe the work doesn\u2019t come home, but that doesn\u2019t matter when you can\u2019t go home in the first place.   Where I work (private company,  not consulting) the engineers are overloaded. Construction, shop staff and operations are as well, but where I can take mine home, they can\u2019t. At least they get overtime. My rambling point is this:  The C-suite wherever you are will take all you are willing to give and then try for more. Give enough to meet your (personal) goals, whatever they are.   I\u2019ve said in another post here that everywhere I\u2019ve worked implements lean one way. They don\u2019t backfill 5 or so vacancies, (yAy We\u2019Re LeAn NoW) and they only think about the damage that did when another 5 resign in protest within 12 months. They hire back up and the cycle begins anew.   Things in the work culture need to change. More employers need to realize that we work to live, not vice versa, and that we are actually more productive and efficient when we are able to work to live.   But no - people glorify the bastards like Elon who run abusive companies that burn out most of their staff. Yeah. I said it. He\u2019s an ass, at least when it comes to employee treatment. I know enough people that have worked for one of those companies to know I never would.   Sorry. Rant over. Today was rough.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10801.0,"score_ratio":2.0769230769}
{"post_id":"lgdogu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Mechanical Engineers: Jobs where you don't take work home with you? I've had this \"crazy\" dream that I'd like to have an engineering job where the work (thus stress) does not follow me home. That is, once you get home, your time is your own. All work (or almost all work) is done at the workplace. If anyone has a job like this in engineering, please share what you do and what industry you work in.","c_root_id_A":"gmrhkpr","c_root_id_B":"gmrvgfu","created_at_utc_A":1612917843,"created_at_utc_B":1612925119,"score_A":7,"score_B":27,"human_ref_A":"In my experience here in Germany people with \"office work\" usually stop working the minute their 8h (or if their day is shorter then earlier) are over. No calls after work, no expectations to do stuff in your free time etc.. Of course there are some companies\/jobs where one has to be available for emergencies but usually that's pretty damn well compensated. The same with SOME leadership positions which may require \"taking some work home\"\/be available outside the regular work times. But generally speaking here the consent is: If you are at work you are supposed to actually work. No hanging around on facebook or talking to your colleagues at the coffee machine. But then the requirements AND expectations stop the second your normal work time is over. A pretty strict separation between work and free time for a nice worl-life balance are considered important here. Afterall statistics have shown that this causes employees to not only be happier but also more productive. In many cases the work hours could be reduced even more which can result in higher efficiency and the same or even better effectiveness.    But yeah... Depending on the company this is pretty much normal for engineers of almost any field here.","human_ref_B":"I\u2019d argue this goes beyond just Engineering. Our workforce is getting heavily taxed. Maybe the work doesn\u2019t come home, but that doesn\u2019t matter when you can\u2019t go home in the first place.   Where I work (private company,  not consulting) the engineers are overloaded. Construction, shop staff and operations are as well, but where I can take mine home, they can\u2019t. At least they get overtime. My rambling point is this:  The C-suite wherever you are will take all you are willing to give and then try for more. Give enough to meet your (personal) goals, whatever they are.   I\u2019ve said in another post here that everywhere I\u2019ve worked implements lean one way. They don\u2019t backfill 5 or so vacancies, (yAy We\u2019Re LeAn NoW) and they only think about the damage that did when another 5 resign in protest within 12 months. They hire back up and the cycle begins anew.   Things in the work culture need to change. More employers need to realize that we work to live, not vice versa, and that we are actually more productive and efficient when we are able to work to live.   But no - people glorify the bastards like Elon who run abusive companies that burn out most of their staff. Yeah. I said it. He\u2019s an ass, at least when it comes to employee treatment. I know enough people that have worked for one of those companies to know I never would.   Sorry. Rant over. Today was rough.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7276.0,"score_ratio":3.8571428571}
{"post_id":"lgdogu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Mechanical Engineers: Jobs where you don't take work home with you? I've had this \"crazy\" dream that I'd like to have an engineering job where the work (thus stress) does not follow me home. That is, once you get home, your time is your own. All work (or almost all work) is done at the workplace. If anyone has a job like this in engineering, please share what you do and what industry you work in.","c_root_id_A":"gmrvgfu","c_root_id_B":"gmrb8i8","created_at_utc_A":1612925119,"created_at_utc_B":1612914610,"score_A":27,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019d argue this goes beyond just Engineering. Our workforce is getting heavily taxed. Maybe the work doesn\u2019t come home, but that doesn\u2019t matter when you can\u2019t go home in the first place.   Where I work (private company,  not consulting) the engineers are overloaded. Construction, shop staff and operations are as well, but where I can take mine home, they can\u2019t. At least they get overtime. My rambling point is this:  The C-suite wherever you are will take all you are willing to give and then try for more. Give enough to meet your (personal) goals, whatever they are.   I\u2019ve said in another post here that everywhere I\u2019ve worked implements lean one way. They don\u2019t backfill 5 or so vacancies, (yAy We\u2019Re LeAn NoW) and they only think about the damage that did when another 5 resign in protest within 12 months. They hire back up and the cycle begins anew.   Things in the work culture need to change. More employers need to realize that we work to live, not vice versa, and that we are actually more productive and efficient when we are able to work to live.   But no - people glorify the bastards like Elon who run abusive companies that burn out most of their staff. Yeah. I said it. He\u2019s an ass, at least when it comes to employee treatment. I know enough people that have worked for one of those companies to know I never would.   Sorry. Rant over. Today was rough.","human_ref_B":"Its one thing to think about something when you get home - like you saw a cool mechanism on your washing machine that might work well for the machine that you are designing - but to a large degree leave your work at work.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10509.0,"score_ratio":3.375}
{"post_id":"lgdogu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Mechanical Engineers: Jobs where you don't take work home with you? I've had this \"crazy\" dream that I'd like to have an engineering job where the work (thus stress) does not follow me home. That is, once you get home, your time is your own. All work (or almost all work) is done at the workplace. If anyone has a job like this in engineering, please share what you do and what industry you work in.","c_root_id_A":"gmr7y66","c_root_id_B":"gmrvgfu","created_at_utc_A":1612912915,"created_at_utc_B":1612925119,"score_A":6,"score_B":27,"human_ref_A":"Consultant company in oil and gas here. Don\u2019t routinely work more than 40 hours a week, and don\u2019t work for a company that demands constant overtime. A couple of really intense deadlines a year is fine and expected, and if your job has a travel component, that will probably result in some weird hours, but most of the time you should draw that boundary and leave work at work. And your bosses should be ok with that.","human_ref_B":"I\u2019d argue this goes beyond just Engineering. Our workforce is getting heavily taxed. Maybe the work doesn\u2019t come home, but that doesn\u2019t matter when you can\u2019t go home in the first place.   Where I work (private company,  not consulting) the engineers are overloaded. Construction, shop staff and operations are as well, but where I can take mine home, they can\u2019t. At least they get overtime. My rambling point is this:  The C-suite wherever you are will take all you are willing to give and then try for more. Give enough to meet your (personal) goals, whatever they are.   I\u2019ve said in another post here that everywhere I\u2019ve worked implements lean one way. They don\u2019t backfill 5 or so vacancies, (yAy We\u2019Re LeAn NoW) and they only think about the damage that did when another 5 resign in protest within 12 months. They hire back up and the cycle begins anew.   Things in the work culture need to change. More employers need to realize that we work to live, not vice versa, and that we are actually more productive and efficient when we are able to work to live.   But no - people glorify the bastards like Elon who run abusive companies that burn out most of their staff. Yeah. I said it. He\u2019s an ass, at least when it comes to employee treatment. I know enough people that have worked for one of those companies to know I never would.   Sorry. Rant over. Today was rough.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":12204.0,"score_ratio":4.5}
{"post_id":"lgdogu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Mechanical Engineers: Jobs where you don't take work home with you? I've had this \"crazy\" dream that I'd like to have an engineering job where the work (thus stress) does not follow me home. That is, once you get home, your time is your own. All work (or almost all work) is done at the workplace. If anyone has a job like this in engineering, please share what you do and what industry you work in.","c_root_id_A":"gmrdz3d","c_root_id_B":"gmr4x13","created_at_utc_A":1612915987,"created_at_utc_B":1612911391,"score_A":26,"score_B":22,"human_ref_A":"Stay away from manufacturing","human_ref_B":"I work from home, due to the pandemic.  I'm personally terrible at keeping the two separate because I can't seem to turn my brain off from work.  It's important to establish boundaries with work so it doesn't follow you home.  I think it's also something to inquire about when you are interviewing.  Ask what a typical work week looks like.  If they talk about working 24\/7 and that's \"part of the work culture\", steer clear of those companies.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4596.0,"score_ratio":1.1818181818}
{"post_id":"lgdogu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Mechanical Engineers: Jobs where you don't take work home with you? I've had this \"crazy\" dream that I'd like to have an engineering job where the work (thus stress) does not follow me home. That is, once you get home, your time is your own. All work (or almost all work) is done at the workplace. If anyone has a job like this in engineering, please share what you do and what industry you work in.","c_root_id_A":"gmrdz3d","c_root_id_B":"gmr96a6","created_at_utc_A":1612915987,"created_at_utc_B":1612913576,"score_A":26,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"Stay away from manufacturing","human_ref_B":"You have to build boundaries between work life and home life. I\u2019m a design engineer and I had to get over worrying with work stuff once I leave work (or walk out of the home office with COVID wfh).","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2411.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"lgdogu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Mechanical Engineers: Jobs where you don't take work home with you? I've had this \"crazy\" dream that I'd like to have an engineering job where the work (thus stress) does not follow me home. That is, once you get home, your time is your own. All work (or almost all work) is done at the workplace. If anyone has a job like this in engineering, please share what you do and what industry you work in.","c_root_id_A":"gmrdz3d","c_root_id_B":"gmrannl","created_at_utc_A":1612915987,"created_at_utc_B":1612914318,"score_A":26,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"Stay away from manufacturing","human_ref_B":"I\u2019ll chime in with some of the other folks here and just say it\u2019s probably mostly a mental thing. You gotta make yourself a good life at home and intentionally \u201cturn off\u201d work mode as soon as you\u2019re leaving work. Additionally, yeah, you should probably as a rule not work more than 40 hours per week unless you absolutely have to. Work to live your life, don\u2019t live your life to work!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1669.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"lgdogu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Mechanical Engineers: Jobs where you don't take work home with you? I've had this \"crazy\" dream that I'd like to have an engineering job where the work (thus stress) does not follow me home. That is, once you get home, your time is your own. All work (or almost all work) is done at the workplace. If anyone has a job like this in engineering, please share what you do and what industry you work in.","c_root_id_A":"gmrb8i8","c_root_id_B":"gmrdz3d","created_at_utc_A":1612914610,"created_at_utc_B":1612915987,"score_A":8,"score_B":26,"human_ref_A":"Its one thing to think about something when you get home - like you saw a cool mechanism on your washing machine that might work well for the machine that you are designing - but to a large degree leave your work at work.","human_ref_B":"Stay away from manufacturing","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1377.0,"score_ratio":3.25}
{"post_id":"lgdogu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Mechanical Engineers: Jobs where you don't take work home with you? I've had this \"crazy\" dream that I'd like to have an engineering job where the work (thus stress) does not follow me home. That is, once you get home, your time is your own. All work (or almost all work) is done at the workplace. If anyone has a job like this in engineering, please share what you do and what industry you work in.","c_root_id_A":"gmrdz3d","c_root_id_B":"gmr7y66","created_at_utc_A":1612915987,"created_at_utc_B":1612912915,"score_A":26,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Stay away from manufacturing","human_ref_B":"Consultant company in oil and gas here. Don\u2019t routinely work more than 40 hours a week, and don\u2019t work for a company that demands constant overtime. A couple of really intense deadlines a year is fine and expected, and if your job has a travel component, that will probably result in some weird hours, but most of the time you should draw that boundary and leave work at work. And your bosses should be ok with that.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3072.0,"score_ratio":4.3333333333}
{"post_id":"lgdogu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Mechanical Engineers: Jobs where you don't take work home with you? I've had this \"crazy\" dream that I'd like to have an engineering job where the work (thus stress) does not follow me home. That is, once you get home, your time is your own. All work (or almost all work) is done at the workplace. If anyone has a job like this in engineering, please share what you do and what industry you work in.","c_root_id_A":"gmr7y66","c_root_id_B":"gmr96a6","created_at_utc_A":1612912915,"created_at_utc_B":1612913576,"score_A":6,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"Consultant company in oil and gas here. Don\u2019t routinely work more than 40 hours a week, and don\u2019t work for a company that demands constant overtime. A couple of really intense deadlines a year is fine and expected, and if your job has a travel component, that will probably result in some weird hours, but most of the time you should draw that boundary and leave work at work. And your bosses should be ok with that.","human_ref_B":"You have to build boundaries between work life and home life. I\u2019m a design engineer and I had to get over worrying with work stuff once I leave work (or walk out of the home office with COVID wfh).","labels":0,"seconds_difference":661.0,"score_ratio":2.1666666667}
{"post_id":"lgdogu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Mechanical Engineers: Jobs where you don't take work home with you? I've had this \"crazy\" dream that I'd like to have an engineering job where the work (thus stress) does not follow me home. That is, once you get home, your time is your own. All work (or almost all work) is done at the workplace. If anyone has a job like this in engineering, please share what you do and what industry you work in.","c_root_id_A":"gmrannl","c_root_id_B":"gmr7y66","created_at_utc_A":1612914318,"created_at_utc_B":1612912915,"score_A":13,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019ll chime in with some of the other folks here and just say it\u2019s probably mostly a mental thing. You gotta make yourself a good life at home and intentionally \u201cturn off\u201d work mode as soon as you\u2019re leaving work. Additionally, yeah, you should probably as a rule not work more than 40 hours per week unless you absolutely have to. Work to live your life, don\u2019t live your life to work!","human_ref_B":"Consultant company in oil and gas here. Don\u2019t routinely work more than 40 hours a week, and don\u2019t work for a company that demands constant overtime. A couple of really intense deadlines a year is fine and expected, and if your job has a travel component, that will probably result in some weird hours, but most of the time you should draw that boundary and leave work at work. And your bosses should be ok with that.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1403.0,"score_ratio":2.1666666667}
{"post_id":"lgdogu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Mechanical Engineers: Jobs where you don't take work home with you? I've had this \"crazy\" dream that I'd like to have an engineering job where the work (thus stress) does not follow me home. That is, once you get home, your time is your own. All work (or almost all work) is done at the workplace. If anyone has a job like this in engineering, please share what you do and what industry you work in.","c_root_id_A":"gmrhkpr","c_root_id_B":"gmr7y66","created_at_utc_A":1612917843,"created_at_utc_B":1612912915,"score_A":7,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"In my experience here in Germany people with \"office work\" usually stop working the minute their 8h (or if their day is shorter then earlier) are over. No calls after work, no expectations to do stuff in your free time etc.. Of course there are some companies\/jobs where one has to be available for emergencies but usually that's pretty damn well compensated. The same with SOME leadership positions which may require \"taking some work home\"\/be available outside the regular work times. But generally speaking here the consent is: If you are at work you are supposed to actually work. No hanging around on facebook or talking to your colleagues at the coffee machine. But then the requirements AND expectations stop the second your normal work time is over. A pretty strict separation between work and free time for a nice worl-life balance are considered important here. Afterall statistics have shown that this causes employees to not only be happier but also more productive. In many cases the work hours could be reduced even more which can result in higher efficiency and the same or even better effectiveness.    But yeah... Depending on the company this is pretty much normal for engineers of almost any field here.","human_ref_B":"Consultant company in oil and gas here. Don\u2019t routinely work more than 40 hours a week, and don\u2019t work for a company that demands constant overtime. A couple of really intense deadlines a year is fine and expected, and if your job has a travel component, that will probably result in some weird hours, but most of the time you should draw that boundary and leave work at work. And your bosses should be ok with that.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4928.0,"score_ratio":1.1666666667}
{"post_id":"lgdogu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Mechanical Engineers: Jobs where you don't take work home with you? I've had this \"crazy\" dream that I'd like to have an engineering job where the work (thus stress) does not follow me home. That is, once you get home, your time is your own. All work (or almost all work) is done at the workplace. If anyone has a job like this in engineering, please share what you do and what industry you work in.","c_root_id_A":"gmrb8i8","c_root_id_B":"gmr7y66","created_at_utc_A":1612914610,"created_at_utc_B":1612912915,"score_A":8,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Its one thing to think about something when you get home - like you saw a cool mechanism on your washing machine that might work well for the machine that you are designing - but to a large degree leave your work at work.","human_ref_B":"Consultant company in oil and gas here. Don\u2019t routinely work more than 40 hours a week, and don\u2019t work for a company that demands constant overtime. A couple of really intense deadlines a year is fine and expected, and if your job has a travel component, that will probably result in some weird hours, but most of the time you should draw that boundary and leave work at work. And your bosses should be ok with that.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1695.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"crly8k","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"If the situation like The Martian actually happened, would NASA really try to save Marco Watney? I wasn\u2019t sure where to ask about this question so I decided to post here hoping maybe someone here has worked for NASA or a space agency.   Assuming technologically possible, would NASA spend billions to save one person? Why or why not?  Edit: Sorry about the name typo. Mark*","c_root_id_A":"ex6nyrd","c_root_id_B":"ex6ocw2","created_at_utc_A":1566048707,"created_at_utc_B":1566048893,"score_A":120,"score_B":334,"human_ref_A":"Obviously it is hard to know without all the details, but here's my (non-authoratative) opinion: it would be very unlikely that the situation could even happen because if we are going to Mars then we are probably going for a while (i.e. years), so they would have stock piled plenty of rations, spare parts, etc. for the entire team for that time.   Furthermore all that equipment wouldn't all be placed in one vulnerable, inflated habitat because that is too expense compared to just leaving them in containers nearby, reducing the probability that a single failure could substantially affect the mission.  There also could be a ship on Mars or Earth specifically waiting to travel to Mars as a lifeboat. For reference, there is almost always a life boat on the ISS: https:\/\/space.stackexchange.com\/questions\/27793\/has-the-iss-ever-not-had-a-lifeboat  Thus my real gut feeling is that this possibility would be completely designed out of the mission.  But for the sake of answering your question: no I don't think we would spend such extraordinary effort because if all the other failsafes broke down it is unlikely we would have the ability to execute a rescue mission. This was the plan for the moon landings: http:\/\/news.bbc.co.uk\/2\/hi\/science\/nature\/390634.stm","human_ref_B":"I don't work at NASA, but I've spoken with a few who have, including one high-level director. Based on that relatively small sample of experience, I'd say that the story is plausible, in that most would feel a moral duty to do so, but the motivation to spend the money to do so would come more from public expectations and pressure, which would give them political cover to recover the funds spent on a rescue mission.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":186.0,"score_ratio":2.7833333333}
{"post_id":"crly8k","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"If the situation like The Martian actually happened, would NASA really try to save Marco Watney? I wasn\u2019t sure where to ask about this question so I decided to post here hoping maybe someone here has worked for NASA or a space agency.   Assuming technologically possible, would NASA spend billions to save one person? Why or why not?  Edit: Sorry about the name typo. Mark*","c_root_id_A":"ex6nvfu","c_root_id_B":"ex6ocw2","created_at_utc_A":1566048663,"created_at_utc_B":1566048893,"score_A":13,"score_B":334,"human_ref_A":"I doubt it. I imagine part of the contract is that you don't get rescued, and I thought the first missions were one way. I imagine they'd have many contingency plans in place but a rescue mission for one single person would seem unlikely. It would make sense to make this known up front to avoid bad press if something did go wrong.    Although, I do wonder about the feasability to send a series of food+spare-parts packages to Mars on a continuous basis.  \"SpaceX quotes the Falcon Heavy for $135m can get 13,200kg to Mars (ie a loaded Dragon), though it isn't clear if that's payload on the surface. Realistically, a Falcon Heavy could deliver at most 3 or 4 tonnes of cargo to Mars. That implies a cost of $10.2k\/kg including the spacecraft, or $45k\/kg for the payload.\"  https:\/\/www.quora.com\/How-much-would-landing-and-returning-one-kilogram-of-payload-on-from-the-surface-of-Mars-cost","human_ref_B":"I don't work at NASA, but I've spoken with a few who have, including one high-level director. Based on that relatively small sample of experience, I'd say that the story is plausible, in that most would feel a moral duty to do so, but the motivation to spend the money to do so would come more from public expectations and pressure, which would give them political cover to recover the funds spent on a rescue mission.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":230.0,"score_ratio":25.6923076923}
{"post_id":"crly8k","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"If the situation like The Martian actually happened, would NASA really try to save Marco Watney? I wasn\u2019t sure where to ask about this question so I decided to post here hoping maybe someone here has worked for NASA or a space agency.   Assuming technologically possible, would NASA spend billions to save one person? Why or why not?  Edit: Sorry about the name typo. Mark*","c_root_id_A":"ex6nvfu","c_root_id_B":"ex6nyrd","created_at_utc_A":1566048663,"created_at_utc_B":1566048707,"score_A":13,"score_B":120,"human_ref_A":"I doubt it. I imagine part of the contract is that you don't get rescued, and I thought the first missions were one way. I imagine they'd have many contingency plans in place but a rescue mission for one single person would seem unlikely. It would make sense to make this known up front to avoid bad press if something did go wrong.    Although, I do wonder about the feasability to send a series of food+spare-parts packages to Mars on a continuous basis.  \"SpaceX quotes the Falcon Heavy for $135m can get 13,200kg to Mars (ie a loaded Dragon), though it isn't clear if that's payload on the surface. Realistically, a Falcon Heavy could deliver at most 3 or 4 tonnes of cargo to Mars. That implies a cost of $10.2k\/kg including the spacecraft, or $45k\/kg for the payload.\"  https:\/\/www.quora.com\/How-much-would-landing-and-returning-one-kilogram-of-payload-on-from-the-surface-of-Mars-cost","human_ref_B":"Obviously it is hard to know without all the details, but here's my (non-authoratative) opinion: it would be very unlikely that the situation could even happen because if we are going to Mars then we are probably going for a while (i.e. years), so they would have stock piled plenty of rations, spare parts, etc. for the entire team for that time.   Furthermore all that equipment wouldn't all be placed in one vulnerable, inflated habitat because that is too expense compared to just leaving them in containers nearby, reducing the probability that a single failure could substantially affect the mission.  There also could be a ship on Mars or Earth specifically waiting to travel to Mars as a lifeboat. For reference, there is almost always a life boat on the ISS: https:\/\/space.stackexchange.com\/questions\/27793\/has-the-iss-ever-not-had-a-lifeboat  Thus my real gut feeling is that this possibility would be completely designed out of the mission.  But for the sake of answering your question: no I don't think we would spend such extraordinary effort because if all the other failsafes broke down it is unlikely we would have the ability to execute a rescue mission. This was the plan for the moon landings: http:\/\/news.bbc.co.uk\/2\/hi\/science\/nature\/390634.stm","labels":0,"seconds_difference":44.0,"score_ratio":9.2307692308}
{"post_id":"crly8k","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"If the situation like The Martian actually happened, would NASA really try to save Marco Watney? I wasn\u2019t sure where to ask about this question so I decided to post here hoping maybe someone here has worked for NASA or a space agency.   Assuming technologically possible, would NASA spend billions to save one person? Why or why not?  Edit: Sorry about the name typo. Mark*","c_root_id_A":"ex7qlyq","c_root_id_B":"ex6vt36","created_at_utc_A":1566063605,"created_at_utc_B":1566052242,"score_A":28,"score_B":20,"human_ref_A":"As someone who was a NASA supplier, I can assure you there would be no rescue because there would be no \"cowboy departure\".  The air on Mars is less than 1% the air on Earth.  The biggest Mars storms would barely ruffle a flag.  The worst case wind is an engineering constraint on the lander.  Nobody is going unless the lander can survive worst case winds with ample margin.  In the case of high winds, launching the lander is \"the last thing to do\".  You'd sit in your space suit and wait for better conditions.  Andy Weir, the author of the book, admitted he made those first scenes up, \"to set the stage for drama\" even they are the least realistic part of the story.  Engineers that work for NASA do better design work than was shown in the start of the story.","human_ref_B":"An interesting comparison that might shed light on your question would be to look at the Apollo 11 moon landing. In the event the ascent stage engine failed to ignite and couldn\u2019t lift Neil and Buzz back into lunar orbit, there was no rescue mission available, no emergency provisions, and Michael Collins had orders to return to earth in the command module alone. President Nixon even had a speech prepared for if the two moonwalkers got stranded. And that wasn\u2019t 6 months away like Mars, it\u2019s only 3 days away.  There would be no rescue mission or supply drop coming for Mark Watney.   Not to be morbid, but he would have left earth knowing that in the event of a major catastrophe, like that shown in the movie, there would be no rescue option.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":11363.0,"score_ratio":1.4}
{"post_id":"crly8k","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"If the situation like The Martian actually happened, would NASA really try to save Marco Watney? I wasn\u2019t sure where to ask about this question so I decided to post here hoping maybe someone here has worked for NASA or a space agency.   Assuming technologically possible, would NASA spend billions to save one person? Why or why not?  Edit: Sorry about the name typo. Mark*","c_root_id_A":"ex6nvfu","c_root_id_B":"ex7qlyq","created_at_utc_A":1566048663,"created_at_utc_B":1566063605,"score_A":13,"score_B":28,"human_ref_A":"I doubt it. I imagine part of the contract is that you don't get rescued, and I thought the first missions were one way. I imagine they'd have many contingency plans in place but a rescue mission for one single person would seem unlikely. It would make sense to make this known up front to avoid bad press if something did go wrong.    Although, I do wonder about the feasability to send a series of food+spare-parts packages to Mars on a continuous basis.  \"SpaceX quotes the Falcon Heavy for $135m can get 13,200kg to Mars (ie a loaded Dragon), though it isn't clear if that's payload on the surface. Realistically, a Falcon Heavy could deliver at most 3 or 4 tonnes of cargo to Mars. That implies a cost of $10.2k\/kg including the spacecraft, or $45k\/kg for the payload.\"  https:\/\/www.quora.com\/How-much-would-landing-and-returning-one-kilogram-of-payload-on-from-the-surface-of-Mars-cost","human_ref_B":"As someone who was a NASA supplier, I can assure you there would be no rescue because there would be no \"cowboy departure\".  The air on Mars is less than 1% the air on Earth.  The biggest Mars storms would barely ruffle a flag.  The worst case wind is an engineering constraint on the lander.  Nobody is going unless the lander can survive worst case winds with ample margin.  In the case of high winds, launching the lander is \"the last thing to do\".  You'd sit in your space suit and wait for better conditions.  Andy Weir, the author of the book, admitted he made those first scenes up, \"to set the stage for drama\" even they are the least realistic part of the story.  Engineers that work for NASA do better design work than was shown in the start of the story.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":14942.0,"score_ratio":2.1538461538}
{"post_id":"crly8k","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"If the situation like The Martian actually happened, would NASA really try to save Marco Watney? I wasn\u2019t sure where to ask about this question so I decided to post here hoping maybe someone here has worked for NASA or a space agency.   Assuming technologically possible, would NASA spend billions to save one person? Why or why not?  Edit: Sorry about the name typo. Mark*","c_root_id_A":"ex7qlyq","c_root_id_B":"ex6xjmy","created_at_utc_A":1566063605,"created_at_utc_B":1566053023,"score_A":28,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"As someone who was a NASA supplier, I can assure you there would be no rescue because there would be no \"cowboy departure\".  The air on Mars is less than 1% the air on Earth.  The biggest Mars storms would barely ruffle a flag.  The worst case wind is an engineering constraint on the lander.  Nobody is going unless the lander can survive worst case winds with ample margin.  In the case of high winds, launching the lander is \"the last thing to do\".  You'd sit in your space suit and wait for better conditions.  Andy Weir, the author of the book, admitted he made those first scenes up, \"to set the stage for drama\" even they are the least realistic part of the story.  Engineers that work for NASA do better design work than was shown in the start of the story.","human_ref_B":"I'm going to say that with the situation laid out in the film, the chances of Earth [as a United whole] putting all the resources into getting someone back from being stranded on Mars is high. Here are my reasons, and for this I'm going to assume it was a SpaceX\/NASA joint mission using something like the Starship.  [previously known as bfr]  If we look back at Apollo 13 we can see some inspiration. This is during a period when the US and the Soviet Union were ready to knowingly end all human life on Earth through nuclear war. A tense scary time in history.   And it didn't matter. When Apollo 13 was a damaged spacecraft slowly making it's way to Earth the Soviet Union offered full cooperation to retrieve the Astronauts. Saving these heros was more important.  Next thing I'll point out is SpaceX and their way of doing things. If there are people stuck on Mars, SpaceX is going to do everything possible to help. Starship would be in production, and I have no doubts a resupply ship [or even two] would be launched at the soonest possible transfer window. This would be relatively easy considering they would using most of these same parts for regularly scheduled missions anyway.   Even now, if there was need, SpaceX could launch a fully expended falcon heavy with less notice than you'd think. Maybe you'd make some modifications to a dragon capsule to get those supply's to the surface, maybe you'd use a different delivery method to get from Martian orbit the surface. That's the only difficult part.  You've bought time. At a relatively low cost.   The hard part is getting our astronaut back though. This depends on what are known as transfer Windows. Outside of these windows the journey will require more fuel or take longer than waiting. Return trips outside a good transfer window are usually not be possible. This means our friend will be in Mars for a while, simply waiting the planets to be in the right place relative to each other.   Conclusion: Most likely our friend would die while we were helplessly unable to do anything about it at all. The world would mourn as a United group and we'd build a bitching monument. However, if they were able to grow enough poo potatoes, the entire world would band together and do anything possible to get him back alive.   Somewhat related notes: NASA and SpaceX have said very clearly that they will not consider a one way trip. The company that proposed this has gone defunk and they were kind of a joke.  There are two big scientific inaccuracies in the Martian, that storm was one of them. Mars could never have wind strong enough to jeopardize the escape vehicle. The author knew this. The other is when he cuts his suit, but it's funny so don't worry about it.  Sources: YouTube Scott Manly and The Everyday Astronaut along with many hours of Kerbal Space Program.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10582.0,"score_ratio":14.0}
{"post_id":"crly8k","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"If the situation like The Martian actually happened, would NASA really try to save Marco Watney? I wasn\u2019t sure where to ask about this question so I decided to post here hoping maybe someone here has worked for NASA or a space agency.   Assuming technologically possible, would NASA spend billions to save one person? Why or why not?  Edit: Sorry about the name typo. Mark*","c_root_id_A":"ex6nvfu","c_root_id_B":"ex6vt36","created_at_utc_A":1566048663,"created_at_utc_B":1566052242,"score_A":13,"score_B":20,"human_ref_A":"I doubt it. I imagine part of the contract is that you don't get rescued, and I thought the first missions were one way. I imagine they'd have many contingency plans in place but a rescue mission for one single person would seem unlikely. It would make sense to make this known up front to avoid bad press if something did go wrong.    Although, I do wonder about the feasability to send a series of food+spare-parts packages to Mars on a continuous basis.  \"SpaceX quotes the Falcon Heavy for $135m can get 13,200kg to Mars (ie a loaded Dragon), though it isn't clear if that's payload on the surface. Realistically, a Falcon Heavy could deliver at most 3 or 4 tonnes of cargo to Mars. That implies a cost of $10.2k\/kg including the spacecraft, or $45k\/kg for the payload.\"  https:\/\/www.quora.com\/How-much-would-landing-and-returning-one-kilogram-of-payload-on-from-the-surface-of-Mars-cost","human_ref_B":"An interesting comparison that might shed light on your question would be to look at the Apollo 11 moon landing. In the event the ascent stage engine failed to ignite and couldn\u2019t lift Neil and Buzz back into lunar orbit, there was no rescue mission available, no emergency provisions, and Michael Collins had orders to return to earth in the command module alone. President Nixon even had a speech prepared for if the two moonwalkers got stranded. And that wasn\u2019t 6 months away like Mars, it\u2019s only 3 days away.  There would be no rescue mission or supply drop coming for Mark Watney.   Not to be morbid, but he would have left earth knowing that in the event of a major catastrophe, like that shown in the movie, there would be no rescue option.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3579.0,"score_ratio":1.5384615385}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5fokdi","c_root_id_B":"g5fqg8b","created_at_utc_A":1600226153,"created_at_utc_B":1600227134,"score_A":17,"score_B":102,"human_ref_A":"Try learning what systems engineering is maybe? They get involved with all different disciplines of engineering and from what I\u2019ve learned it\u2019s like solving a puzzle haha. This is kind of why I\u2019m going into Cybersecurity because problem solving is also very abundant, but entry levels positions everywhere are to build you up and prepare you for the bigger projects. Just continue to stay hungry and continue to learn.","human_ref_B":"There are very few industries that can\u2019t get shit on.  I\u2019d say focus on the positives rather than the negatives.    But if you\u2019re looking for work that\u2019s more varied, you might want to look for smaller companies or even a start-up thats looking more for attitude, passion and work ethic rather than expertise in a particular skill.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":981.0,"score_ratio":6.0}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5fj0hj","c_root_id_B":"g5fqg8b","created_at_utc_A":1600223004,"created_at_utc_B":1600227134,"score_A":13,"score_B":102,"human_ref_A":"You could do consulting engineering and every project is different. I don't know if what you're specialized in would translate to designing building systems. I'm electrical, but it's rewarding to design a building on paper and see it built. Work for a smaller-ish firm and you won't be in a cubicle. You'll work directly with people on a daily basis and develop a lot of relationships with a lot of different people.","human_ref_B":"There are very few industries that can\u2019t get shit on.  I\u2019d say focus on the positives rather than the negatives.    But if you\u2019re looking for work that\u2019s more varied, you might want to look for smaller companies or even a start-up thats looking more for attitude, passion and work ethic rather than expertise in a particular skill.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4130.0,"score_ratio":7.8461538462}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5fzx6o","c_root_id_B":"g5fs2fi","created_at_utc_A":1600233221,"created_at_utc_B":1600227940,"score_A":47,"score_B":29,"human_ref_A":"You might try looking for jobs in wind power\/ wind turbine design. Same skillset.   I personally pivoted pretty hard away from being a general CAD monkey of an engineer and now I analyze and optimize mechanical systems for the purposes of using less energy. And sometimes I try to convince the big wigs to spend big on big renewable projects company wide.","human_ref_B":"Does your company have a space side that you could transition into? I was working at an aerospace company in a commercial sector. I used to be depressed in my cubicle but ever since I've been looking for jobs in the space sector I've been much happier and excited for the future.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5281.0,"score_ratio":1.6206896552}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5fzx6o","c_root_id_B":"g5fwdnx","created_at_utc_A":1600233221,"created_at_utc_B":1600230625,"score_A":47,"score_B":26,"human_ref_A":"You might try looking for jobs in wind power\/ wind turbine design. Same skillset.   I personally pivoted pretty hard away from being a general CAD monkey of an engineer and now I analyze and optimize mechanical systems for the purposes of using less energy. And sometimes I try to convince the big wigs to spend big on big renewable projects company wide.","human_ref_B":"This is Maslow's hierarchy of needs creeping up on you. You know you'll always have \"a job\" given your situation now you want fulfillment. I'd just suggest pursuing both where you have connections already and what interests you. You'll find something just fine.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2596.0,"score_ratio":1.8076923077}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5fzx6o","c_root_id_B":"g5fokdi","created_at_utc_A":1600233221,"created_at_utc_B":1600226153,"score_A":47,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"You might try looking for jobs in wind power\/ wind turbine design. Same skillset.   I personally pivoted pretty hard away from being a general CAD monkey of an engineer and now I analyze and optimize mechanical systems for the purposes of using less energy. And sometimes I try to convince the big wigs to spend big on big renewable projects company wide.","human_ref_B":"Try learning what systems engineering is maybe? They get involved with all different disciplines of engineering and from what I\u2019ve learned it\u2019s like solving a puzzle haha. This is kind of why I\u2019m going into Cybersecurity because problem solving is also very abundant, but entry levels positions everywhere are to build you up and prepare you for the bigger projects. Just continue to stay hungry and continue to learn.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7068.0,"score_ratio":2.7647058824}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5fj0hj","c_root_id_B":"g5fzx6o","created_at_utc_A":1600223004,"created_at_utc_B":1600233221,"score_A":13,"score_B":47,"human_ref_A":"You could do consulting engineering and every project is different. I don't know if what you're specialized in would translate to designing building systems. I'm electrical, but it's rewarding to design a building on paper and see it built. Work for a smaller-ish firm and you won't be in a cubicle. You'll work directly with people on a daily basis and develop a lot of relationships with a lot of different people.","human_ref_B":"You might try looking for jobs in wind power\/ wind turbine design. Same skillset.   I personally pivoted pretty hard away from being a general CAD monkey of an engineer and now I analyze and optimize mechanical systems for the purposes of using less energy. And sometimes I try to convince the big wigs to spend big on big renewable projects company wide.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10217.0,"score_ratio":3.6153846154}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5fyuye","c_root_id_B":"g5fzx6o","created_at_utc_A":1600232404,"created_at_utc_B":1600233221,"score_A":8,"score_B":47,"human_ref_A":"If you are looking to help people maybe look into biomedical engineering. You will most likely need a masters\/phd to really delve into design work. But it sounds like you might enjoy it.  Small or large companies, they are all doing interesting work. It's a growing industry. Which will just become larger with the ageing population living longer etc.","human_ref_B":"You might try looking for jobs in wind power\/ wind turbine design. Same skillset.   I personally pivoted pretty hard away from being a general CAD monkey of an engineer and now I analyze and optimize mechanical systems for the purposes of using less energy. And sometimes I try to convince the big wigs to spend big on big renewable projects company wide.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":817.0,"score_ratio":5.875}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5fxjae","c_root_id_B":"g5fzx6o","created_at_utc_A":1600231436,"created_at_utc_B":1600233221,"score_A":6,"score_B":47,"human_ref_A":"work in manufacturing at a small company! fun solving problems without all the red tape","human_ref_B":"You might try looking for jobs in wind power\/ wind turbine design. Same skillset.   I personally pivoted pretty hard away from being a general CAD monkey of an engineer and now I analyze and optimize mechanical systems for the purposes of using less energy. And sometimes I try to convince the big wigs to spend big on big renewable projects company wide.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1785.0,"score_ratio":7.8333333333}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5fzx6o","c_root_id_B":"g5fvs7j","created_at_utc_A":1600233221,"created_at_utc_B":1600230218,"score_A":47,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"You might try looking for jobs in wind power\/ wind turbine design. Same skillset.   I personally pivoted pretty hard away from being a general CAD monkey of an engineer and now I analyze and optimize mechanical systems for the purposes of using less energy. And sometimes I try to convince the big wigs to spend big on big renewable projects company wide.","human_ref_B":"I would definitely do graduate school, but before that I would talk to someone at your work to get a clear idea of a career path. If its in defense there's a good chance you may like another group or area to work, I would ask before you jump ship.   If thats not the case make sure you start graduate school with a clear idea of what you want to do. What makes you happy and what your passion is. So you don't waste anytime during the school year and get a good start on the path that's right for you. Maybe look into some national laboratories or a more technical job.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3003.0,"score_ratio":23.5}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5fokdi","c_root_id_B":"g5fs2fi","created_at_utc_A":1600226153,"created_at_utc_B":1600227940,"score_A":17,"score_B":29,"human_ref_A":"Try learning what systems engineering is maybe? They get involved with all different disciplines of engineering and from what I\u2019ve learned it\u2019s like solving a puzzle haha. This is kind of why I\u2019m going into Cybersecurity because problem solving is also very abundant, but entry levels positions everywhere are to build you up and prepare you for the bigger projects. Just continue to stay hungry and continue to learn.","human_ref_B":"Does your company have a space side that you could transition into? I was working at an aerospace company in a commercial sector. I used to be depressed in my cubicle but ever since I've been looking for jobs in the space sector I've been much happier and excited for the future.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1787.0,"score_ratio":1.7058823529}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5fs2fi","c_root_id_B":"g5fj0hj","created_at_utc_A":1600227940,"created_at_utc_B":1600223004,"score_A":29,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"Does your company have a space side that you could transition into? I was working at an aerospace company in a commercial sector. I used to be depressed in my cubicle but ever since I've been looking for jobs in the space sector I've been much happier and excited for the future.","human_ref_B":"You could do consulting engineering and every project is different. I don't know if what you're specialized in would translate to designing building systems. I'm electrical, but it's rewarding to design a building on paper and see it built. Work for a smaller-ish firm and you won't be in a cubicle. You'll work directly with people on a daily basis and develop a lot of relationships with a lot of different people.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4936.0,"score_ratio":2.2307692308}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5fwdnx","c_root_id_B":"g5fokdi","created_at_utc_A":1600230625,"created_at_utc_B":1600226153,"score_A":26,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"This is Maslow's hierarchy of needs creeping up on you. You know you'll always have \"a job\" given your situation now you want fulfillment. I'd just suggest pursuing both where you have connections already and what interests you. You'll find something just fine.","human_ref_B":"Try learning what systems engineering is maybe? They get involved with all different disciplines of engineering and from what I\u2019ve learned it\u2019s like solving a puzzle haha. This is kind of why I\u2019m going into Cybersecurity because problem solving is also very abundant, but entry levels positions everywhere are to build you up and prepare you for the bigger projects. Just continue to stay hungry and continue to learn.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4472.0,"score_ratio":1.5294117647}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5fj0hj","c_root_id_B":"g5fwdnx","created_at_utc_A":1600223004,"created_at_utc_B":1600230625,"score_A":13,"score_B":26,"human_ref_A":"You could do consulting engineering and every project is different. I don't know if what you're specialized in would translate to designing building systems. I'm electrical, but it's rewarding to design a building on paper and see it built. Work for a smaller-ish firm and you won't be in a cubicle. You'll work directly with people on a daily basis and develop a lot of relationships with a lot of different people.","human_ref_B":"This is Maslow's hierarchy of needs creeping up on you. You know you'll always have \"a job\" given your situation now you want fulfillment. I'd just suggest pursuing both where you have connections already and what interests you. You'll find something just fine.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7621.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5fvs7j","c_root_id_B":"g5fwdnx","created_at_utc_A":1600230218,"created_at_utc_B":1600230625,"score_A":2,"score_B":26,"human_ref_A":"I would definitely do graduate school, but before that I would talk to someone at your work to get a clear idea of a career path. If its in defense there's a good chance you may like another group or area to work, I would ask before you jump ship.   If thats not the case make sure you start graduate school with a clear idea of what you want to do. What makes you happy and what your passion is. So you don't waste anytime during the school year and get a good start on the path that's right for you. Maybe look into some national laboratories or a more technical job.","human_ref_B":"This is Maslow's hierarchy of needs creeping up on you. You know you'll always have \"a job\" given your situation now you want fulfillment. I'd just suggest pursuing both where you have connections already and what interests you. You'll find something just fine.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":407.0,"score_ratio":13.0}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5fokdi","c_root_id_B":"g5gaoxr","created_at_utc_A":1600226153,"created_at_utc_B":1600243220,"score_A":17,"score_B":24,"human_ref_A":"Try learning what systems engineering is maybe? They get involved with all different disciplines of engineering and from what I\u2019ve learned it\u2019s like solving a puzzle haha. This is kind of why I\u2019m going into Cybersecurity because problem solving is also very abundant, but entry levels positions everywhere are to build you up and prepare you for the bigger projects. Just continue to stay hungry and continue to learn.","human_ref_B":"10yrs out here. Worked quite a few indistries. Only thing that gives me purpose is home projects and now got a few kids so that's fun. Engineering was sold as this dream job of designing stuff to change the world. In reality it's 3% that and the rest is talking about money, office politics, company restructures, arguing about processes, struggling with payment systems,  listening to safety presentations by peoole who have never used a screwdriver. Just how it is it seems. Work for me is very much get it done and get paid.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":17067.0,"score_ratio":1.4117647059}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5fj0hj","c_root_id_B":"g5gaoxr","created_at_utc_A":1600223004,"created_at_utc_B":1600243220,"score_A":13,"score_B":24,"human_ref_A":"You could do consulting engineering and every project is different. I don't know if what you're specialized in would translate to designing building systems. I'm electrical, but it's rewarding to design a building on paper and see it built. Work for a smaller-ish firm and you won't be in a cubicle. You'll work directly with people on a daily basis and develop a lot of relationships with a lot of different people.","human_ref_B":"10yrs out here. Worked quite a few indistries. Only thing that gives me purpose is home projects and now got a few kids so that's fun. Engineering was sold as this dream job of designing stuff to change the world. In reality it's 3% that and the rest is talking about money, office politics, company restructures, arguing about processes, struggling with payment systems,  listening to safety presentations by peoole who have never used a screwdriver. Just how it is it seems. Work for me is very much get it done and get paid.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":20216.0,"score_ratio":1.8461538462}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5gaoxr","c_root_id_B":"g5fyuye","created_at_utc_A":1600243220,"created_at_utc_B":1600232404,"score_A":24,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"10yrs out here. Worked quite a few indistries. Only thing that gives me purpose is home projects and now got a few kids so that's fun. Engineering was sold as this dream job of designing stuff to change the world. In reality it's 3% that and the rest is talking about money, office politics, company restructures, arguing about processes, struggling with payment systems,  listening to safety presentations by peoole who have never used a screwdriver. Just how it is it seems. Work for me is very much get it done and get paid.","human_ref_B":"If you are looking to help people maybe look into biomedical engineering. You will most likely need a masters\/phd to really delve into design work. But it sounds like you might enjoy it.  Small or large companies, they are all doing interesting work. It's a growing industry. Which will just become larger with the ageing population living longer etc.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10816.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5g3deq","c_root_id_B":"g5gaoxr","created_at_utc_A":1600236045,"created_at_utc_B":1600243220,"score_A":7,"score_B":24,"human_ref_A":"I really enjoy Quality engineering since I get to do stuff with my hands often, and at my desk. It's really fulfilling to sort out issues and make life easier for the folks on the assembly line","human_ref_B":"10yrs out here. Worked quite a few indistries. Only thing that gives me purpose is home projects and now got a few kids so that's fun. Engineering was sold as this dream job of designing stuff to change the world. In reality it's 3% that and the rest is talking about money, office politics, company restructures, arguing about processes, struggling with payment systems,  listening to safety presentations by peoole who have never used a screwdriver. Just how it is it seems. Work for me is very much get it done and get paid.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7175.0,"score_ratio":3.4285714286}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5gaoxr","c_root_id_B":"g5ga4kj","created_at_utc_A":1600243220,"created_at_utc_B":1600242597,"score_A":24,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"10yrs out here. Worked quite a few indistries. Only thing that gives me purpose is home projects and now got a few kids so that's fun. Engineering was sold as this dream job of designing stuff to change the world. In reality it's 3% that and the rest is talking about money, office politics, company restructures, arguing about processes, struggling with payment systems,  listening to safety presentations by peoole who have never used a screwdriver. Just how it is it seems. Work for me is very much get it done and get paid.","human_ref_B":"I work as an engineer doing R&D at an oceanography centre.  This might be the kind of role that you're looking for.  The various engineering teams here develop underwater robots and\/or novel instruments for scientific applications.  This former role in particular might be a good fit for someone with an aero background.  Controls would probably come into it a bit, regardless of the role.  The engineering teams are small enough that most people have to do at least some interdiscipinary work.  R&D tends to be about developing and making small numbers of new things so we have to be flexible.    I really like this work - it's really cutting-edge and in support of something that I think is important.  It's quite mixed, technically, and we get to do the full development cycle from concept on paper through to deployment of equipment in the field.  The caveat is that if you want to go this route, it's very likely that you're going to take a big salary hit compared to a \"top aerospace company\".   > I'm wondering if graduate school would help.   Grad school does open some doors, certainly in R&D.  It will close other doors, though.  Before you sign up for grad school, invest some time into reading a *lot* of job ads.  Look far and wide geographically (not just where you would apply), and don't only use job aggregator sites but really spend some time looking at various companies or institutes.  The goal here is to find out what jobs exist and what background\/education\/experience they require.  Anytime you find something that really sparks your interest, save a copy of the job ad and note down the basics in a spreadsheet.  The once you've found enough jobs to do some statistics, check out what fraction of the most appealing jobs require a masters (or other credentials).  Apply for some of the ones that don't, and if you get an interview you can use that to decide whether the options available to you are what you're looking for.  *Then* decide on grad school.   > I'm hoping graduate school would... give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in  Grad school is not the place for this.  You need to come in entirely focused on what you want to get out of it, or you'll get nothing out of it.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":623.0,"score_ratio":4.8}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5gaoxr","c_root_id_B":"g5fxjae","created_at_utc_A":1600243220,"created_at_utc_B":1600231436,"score_A":24,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"10yrs out here. Worked quite a few indistries. Only thing that gives me purpose is home projects and now got a few kids so that's fun. Engineering was sold as this dream job of designing stuff to change the world. In reality it's 3% that and the rest is talking about money, office politics, company restructures, arguing about processes, struggling with payment systems,  listening to safety presentations by peoole who have never used a screwdriver. Just how it is it seems. Work for me is very much get it done and get paid.","human_ref_B":"work in manufacturing at a small company! fun solving problems without all the red tape","labels":1,"seconds_difference":11784.0,"score_ratio":4.0}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5gaoxr","c_root_id_B":"g5g0ieo","created_at_utc_A":1600243220,"created_at_utc_B":1600233689,"score_A":24,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"10yrs out here. Worked quite a few indistries. Only thing that gives me purpose is home projects and now got a few kids so that's fun. Engineering was sold as this dream job of designing stuff to change the world. In reality it's 3% that and the rest is talking about money, office politics, company restructures, arguing about processes, struggling with payment systems,  listening to safety presentations by peoole who have never used a screwdriver. Just how it is it seems. Work for me is very much get it done and get paid.","human_ref_B":"There are lots of \"non-violent\" aerospace companies like the EVTOL startups and drone delivery or rocketry, there's a lot of brain using in them where you can make a significant impact as an individual. PM me if that's something that would interest you","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9531.0,"score_ratio":6.0}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5gaoxr","c_root_id_B":"g5g3y2s","created_at_utc_A":1600243220,"created_at_utc_B":1600236549,"score_A":24,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"10yrs out here. Worked quite a few indistries. Only thing that gives me purpose is home projects and now got a few kids so that's fun. Engineering was sold as this dream job of designing stuff to change the world. In reality it's 3% that and the rest is talking about money, office politics, company restructures, arguing about processes, struggling with payment systems,  listening to safety presentations by peoole who have never used a screwdriver. Just how it is it seems. Work for me is very much get it done and get paid.","human_ref_B":"I'm a ChemE, and I had a similar issue I ran into when looking for jobs. I had an offer to work for oil & gas, but it didn't reflect on working towards a more sustainable future. Also, I would have started in manufacturing, which I hated from a previous internship. My brain was turned off during the internship, because of how mind-numbing the work was and is. There were some really cool controls work some of the engineers were working on, but I wouldn't have been able to touch that for who knows how long.  Then I looked towards batteries, where ChemE is still relevant and also fulfills the goal of working towards a more sustainable future. I was always interested in electrochemistry, but didn't have any prior internships in the field. Now I'm working in cell engineering and modeling in automotive, which I find amazing.   Maybe going to grad school could be helpful. I was hesitant on applying to grad school right after undergrad, because I didn't know what I was truly passionate in to dedicate time towards research that I would find worthwhile. At the end of the day, I would either be in academia or industry, and I knew I would be industry. Staying more in academia doing research would not help me directly find work I would enjoy in industry, so I decided to push grad school off.  If there's an industry that piqued your interest, try finding a position in that industry, and see if you like it. Modeling and simulation work is very technical, so maybe a modeling position for an industry you care about would be good. For working with people and doing technical work, maybe you could find a project engineering position, closer towards the start of the product development life cycle. Some ideas, good luck!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6671.0,"score_ratio":4.8}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5fvs7j","c_root_id_B":"g5gaoxr","created_at_utc_A":1600230218,"created_at_utc_B":1600243220,"score_A":2,"score_B":24,"human_ref_A":"I would definitely do graduate school, but before that I would talk to someone at your work to get a clear idea of a career path. If its in defense there's a good chance you may like another group or area to work, I would ask before you jump ship.   If thats not the case make sure you start graduate school with a clear idea of what you want to do. What makes you happy and what your passion is. So you don't waste anytime during the school year and get a good start on the path that's right for you. Maybe look into some national laboratories or a more technical job.","human_ref_B":"10yrs out here. Worked quite a few indistries. Only thing that gives me purpose is home projects and now got a few kids so that's fun. Engineering was sold as this dream job of designing stuff to change the world. In reality it's 3% that and the rest is talking about money, office politics, company restructures, arguing about processes, struggling with payment systems,  listening to safety presentations by peoole who have never used a screwdriver. Just how it is it seems. Work for me is very much get it done and get paid.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":13002.0,"score_ratio":12.0}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5gaoxr","c_root_id_B":"g5g0d1k","created_at_utc_A":1600243220,"created_at_utc_B":1600233569,"score_A":24,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"10yrs out here. Worked quite a few indistries. Only thing that gives me purpose is home projects and now got a few kids so that's fun. Engineering was sold as this dream job of designing stuff to change the world. In reality it's 3% that and the rest is talking about money, office politics, company restructures, arguing about processes, struggling with payment systems,  listening to safety presentations by peoole who have never used a screwdriver. Just how it is it seems. Work for me is very much get it done and get paid.","human_ref_B":"Graduate school may help, but every field, every company within that field, every team at each company has a different feel.  You could get the exact same job at another company and it would be a totally different experience.  My advice is to find a smaller company where you have more responsibility. Large defense companies are notoriously red-tape heavy and hands-off. The future are small, agile companies. Find them and apply to them. Plenty of people have followed the same path I'm describing.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9651.0,"score_ratio":12.0}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5gaoxr","c_root_id_B":"g5g58vl","created_at_utc_A":1600243220,"created_at_utc_B":1600237714,"score_A":24,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"10yrs out here. Worked quite a few indistries. Only thing that gives me purpose is home projects and now got a few kids so that's fun. Engineering was sold as this dream job of designing stuff to change the world. In reality it's 3% that and the rest is talking about money, office politics, company restructures, arguing about processes, struggling with payment systems,  listening to safety presentations by peoole who have never used a screwdriver. Just how it is it seems. Work for me is very much get it done and get paid.","human_ref_B":"I can completely understand and relate. For me, the answer was working at startups, and starting my own project I felt passionate about getting out of bed in the morning to work on, coupled with the reality that nobody wants to be in poverty, nor live in a golden cage. The both suck. I\u2019d say follow your passion while doing what you need to do.  Can also relate to feeling ambivalent about working on weapons. We live in a world where they are needed, and there IS evil in this world that only understands bullets, along with things worth defending with weapons of mass destruction, but I also see we just come up with clever ways to kill and destroy our own civilization. I like space and space technologies because they are inspiring, and offer the best realistic but ambitious future for humankind.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5506.0,"score_ratio":12.0}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5fokdi","c_root_id_B":"g5fj0hj","created_at_utc_A":1600226153,"created_at_utc_B":1600223004,"score_A":17,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"Try learning what systems engineering is maybe? They get involved with all different disciplines of engineering and from what I\u2019ve learned it\u2019s like solving a puzzle haha. This is kind of why I\u2019m going into Cybersecurity because problem solving is also very abundant, but entry levels positions everywhere are to build you up and prepare you for the bigger projects. Just continue to stay hungry and continue to learn.","human_ref_B":"You could do consulting engineering and every project is different. I don't know if what you're specialized in would translate to designing building systems. I'm electrical, but it's rewarding to design a building on paper and see it built. Work for a smaller-ish firm and you won't be in a cubicle. You'll work directly with people on a daily basis and develop a lot of relationships with a lot of different people.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3149.0,"score_ratio":1.3076923077}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5fj0hj","c_root_id_B":"g5ggqkb","created_at_utc_A":1600223004,"created_at_utc_B":1600250214,"score_A":13,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"You could do consulting engineering and every project is different. I don't know if what you're specialized in would translate to designing building systems. I'm electrical, but it's rewarding to design a building on paper and see it built. Work for a smaller-ish firm and you won't be in a cubicle. You'll work directly with people on a daily basis and develop a lot of relationships with a lot of different people.","human_ref_B":"\"Engineering is so revered by society...\"  It is? I haven't noticed.   I'd actually directly argue against this. Engineering is grunt labor. The only reason it's at all elevated above blue collar work is because you don't literally get dirty while doing it quite as often.   The basic mentality of the public sector is \"I have an idea, it doesn't matter how difficult it is to acoustic do, I'll just get some stupid smart people to do all the work and I'll make massive money.\"  That isn't to entirely dismiss the value of people providing new ideas. That's often important, and also often people with little to no technical knowledge.  I just want you to know that people valuing you for the capabilities of your brain ended in high school. We as engineers are entirely replaceable, and viewed as such. You could be the best engineer in the world in your little niche, and maybe you're the equivalent of 3-4 \"average\" engineers. Maybe you're an anomaly and you're the equivalent of 10. Doesn't matter, you're still replaceable.  Make peace with the fact that nothing you ever do will be functionally unique. Don't expect to be applauded, it won't come. When a car wins the F1 series, the applause are for the driver. No one gives a fuck what the engineers did or the hours they put in except other engineers.   If this seems like a tangent, here's the connection: you have to derive your satisfaction from the work. It can't be pats on the back, because they won't come. It can't be respect, because it isn't there. You have to be able to stand by yourself and say \"I'm valuable because the work that i do is important, and i do it well.\" And when no one, and i mean NOT A SINGLE GODDAMN PERSON gives you props or recognition, and you're still ok, then you're there.   Engineering is not about applause. It's not about accolades. It's simply about answers. Can you provide them? Are your answers better based on the metrics provided than those of others?  If you can say yes to that you have a job, but you will never have a fan club. If that's enough, go for it. If not, seek some other line of work.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":27210.0,"score_ratio":1.1538461538}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5ggqkb","c_root_id_B":"g5fyuye","created_at_utc_A":1600250214,"created_at_utc_B":1600232404,"score_A":15,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"\"Engineering is so revered by society...\"  It is? I haven't noticed.   I'd actually directly argue against this. Engineering is grunt labor. The only reason it's at all elevated above blue collar work is because you don't literally get dirty while doing it quite as often.   The basic mentality of the public sector is \"I have an idea, it doesn't matter how difficult it is to acoustic do, I'll just get some stupid smart people to do all the work and I'll make massive money.\"  That isn't to entirely dismiss the value of people providing new ideas. That's often important, and also often people with little to no technical knowledge.  I just want you to know that people valuing you for the capabilities of your brain ended in high school. We as engineers are entirely replaceable, and viewed as such. You could be the best engineer in the world in your little niche, and maybe you're the equivalent of 3-4 \"average\" engineers. Maybe you're an anomaly and you're the equivalent of 10. Doesn't matter, you're still replaceable.  Make peace with the fact that nothing you ever do will be functionally unique. Don't expect to be applauded, it won't come. When a car wins the F1 series, the applause are for the driver. No one gives a fuck what the engineers did or the hours they put in except other engineers.   If this seems like a tangent, here's the connection: you have to derive your satisfaction from the work. It can't be pats on the back, because they won't come. It can't be respect, because it isn't there. You have to be able to stand by yourself and say \"I'm valuable because the work that i do is important, and i do it well.\" And when no one, and i mean NOT A SINGLE GODDAMN PERSON gives you props or recognition, and you're still ok, then you're there.   Engineering is not about applause. It's not about accolades. It's simply about answers. Can you provide them? Are your answers better based on the metrics provided than those of others?  If you can say yes to that you have a job, but you will never have a fan club. If that's enough, go for it. If not, seek some other line of work.","human_ref_B":"If you are looking to help people maybe look into biomedical engineering. You will most likely need a masters\/phd to really delve into design work. But it sounds like you might enjoy it.  Small or large companies, they are all doing interesting work. It's a growing industry. Which will just become larger with the ageing population living longer etc.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":17810.0,"score_ratio":1.875}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5g3deq","c_root_id_B":"g5ggqkb","created_at_utc_A":1600236045,"created_at_utc_B":1600250214,"score_A":7,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"I really enjoy Quality engineering since I get to do stuff with my hands often, and at my desk. It's really fulfilling to sort out issues and make life easier for the folks on the assembly line","human_ref_B":"\"Engineering is so revered by society...\"  It is? I haven't noticed.   I'd actually directly argue against this. Engineering is grunt labor. The only reason it's at all elevated above blue collar work is because you don't literally get dirty while doing it quite as often.   The basic mentality of the public sector is \"I have an idea, it doesn't matter how difficult it is to acoustic do, I'll just get some stupid smart people to do all the work and I'll make massive money.\"  That isn't to entirely dismiss the value of people providing new ideas. That's often important, and also often people with little to no technical knowledge.  I just want you to know that people valuing you for the capabilities of your brain ended in high school. We as engineers are entirely replaceable, and viewed as such. You could be the best engineer in the world in your little niche, and maybe you're the equivalent of 3-4 \"average\" engineers. Maybe you're an anomaly and you're the equivalent of 10. Doesn't matter, you're still replaceable.  Make peace with the fact that nothing you ever do will be functionally unique. Don't expect to be applauded, it won't come. When a car wins the F1 series, the applause are for the driver. No one gives a fuck what the engineers did or the hours they put in except other engineers.   If this seems like a tangent, here's the connection: you have to derive your satisfaction from the work. It can't be pats on the back, because they won't come. It can't be respect, because it isn't there. You have to be able to stand by yourself and say \"I'm valuable because the work that i do is important, and i do it well.\" And when no one, and i mean NOT A SINGLE GODDAMN PERSON gives you props or recognition, and you're still ok, then you're there.   Engineering is not about applause. It's not about accolades. It's simply about answers. Can you provide them? Are your answers better based on the metrics provided than those of others?  If you can say yes to that you have a job, but you will never have a fan club. If that's enough, go for it. If not, seek some other line of work.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":14169.0,"score_ratio":2.1428571429}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5ga4kj","c_root_id_B":"g5ggqkb","created_at_utc_A":1600242597,"created_at_utc_B":1600250214,"score_A":5,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"I work as an engineer doing R&D at an oceanography centre.  This might be the kind of role that you're looking for.  The various engineering teams here develop underwater robots and\/or novel instruments for scientific applications.  This former role in particular might be a good fit for someone with an aero background.  Controls would probably come into it a bit, regardless of the role.  The engineering teams are small enough that most people have to do at least some interdiscipinary work.  R&D tends to be about developing and making small numbers of new things so we have to be flexible.    I really like this work - it's really cutting-edge and in support of something that I think is important.  It's quite mixed, technically, and we get to do the full development cycle from concept on paper through to deployment of equipment in the field.  The caveat is that if you want to go this route, it's very likely that you're going to take a big salary hit compared to a \"top aerospace company\".   > I'm wondering if graduate school would help.   Grad school does open some doors, certainly in R&D.  It will close other doors, though.  Before you sign up for grad school, invest some time into reading a *lot* of job ads.  Look far and wide geographically (not just where you would apply), and don't only use job aggregator sites but really spend some time looking at various companies or institutes.  The goal here is to find out what jobs exist and what background\/education\/experience they require.  Anytime you find something that really sparks your interest, save a copy of the job ad and note down the basics in a spreadsheet.  The once you've found enough jobs to do some statistics, check out what fraction of the most appealing jobs require a masters (or other credentials).  Apply for some of the ones that don't, and if you get an interview you can use that to decide whether the options available to you are what you're looking for.  *Then* decide on grad school.   > I'm hoping graduate school would... give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in  Grad school is not the place for this.  You need to come in entirely focused on what you want to get out of it, or you'll get nothing out of it.","human_ref_B":"\"Engineering is so revered by society...\"  It is? I haven't noticed.   I'd actually directly argue against this. Engineering is grunt labor. The only reason it's at all elevated above blue collar work is because you don't literally get dirty while doing it quite as often.   The basic mentality of the public sector is \"I have an idea, it doesn't matter how difficult it is to acoustic do, I'll just get some stupid smart people to do all the work and I'll make massive money.\"  That isn't to entirely dismiss the value of people providing new ideas. That's often important, and also often people with little to no technical knowledge.  I just want you to know that people valuing you for the capabilities of your brain ended in high school. We as engineers are entirely replaceable, and viewed as such. You could be the best engineer in the world in your little niche, and maybe you're the equivalent of 3-4 \"average\" engineers. Maybe you're an anomaly and you're the equivalent of 10. Doesn't matter, you're still replaceable.  Make peace with the fact that nothing you ever do will be functionally unique. Don't expect to be applauded, it won't come. When a car wins the F1 series, the applause are for the driver. No one gives a fuck what the engineers did or the hours they put in except other engineers.   If this seems like a tangent, here's the connection: you have to derive your satisfaction from the work. It can't be pats on the back, because they won't come. It can't be respect, because it isn't there. You have to be able to stand by yourself and say \"I'm valuable because the work that i do is important, and i do it well.\" And when no one, and i mean NOT A SINGLE GODDAMN PERSON gives you props or recognition, and you're still ok, then you're there.   Engineering is not about applause. It's not about accolades. It's simply about answers. Can you provide them? Are your answers better based on the metrics provided than those of others?  If you can say yes to that you have a job, but you will never have a fan club. If that's enough, go for it. If not, seek some other line of work.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7617.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5fxjae","c_root_id_B":"g5ggqkb","created_at_utc_A":1600231436,"created_at_utc_B":1600250214,"score_A":6,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"work in manufacturing at a small company! fun solving problems without all the red tape","human_ref_B":"\"Engineering is so revered by society...\"  It is? I haven't noticed.   I'd actually directly argue against this. Engineering is grunt labor. The only reason it's at all elevated above blue collar work is because you don't literally get dirty while doing it quite as often.   The basic mentality of the public sector is \"I have an idea, it doesn't matter how difficult it is to acoustic do, I'll just get some stupid smart people to do all the work and I'll make massive money.\"  That isn't to entirely dismiss the value of people providing new ideas. That's often important, and also often people with little to no technical knowledge.  I just want you to know that people valuing you for the capabilities of your brain ended in high school. We as engineers are entirely replaceable, and viewed as such. You could be the best engineer in the world in your little niche, and maybe you're the equivalent of 3-4 \"average\" engineers. Maybe you're an anomaly and you're the equivalent of 10. Doesn't matter, you're still replaceable.  Make peace with the fact that nothing you ever do will be functionally unique. Don't expect to be applauded, it won't come. When a car wins the F1 series, the applause are for the driver. No one gives a fuck what the engineers did or the hours they put in except other engineers.   If this seems like a tangent, here's the connection: you have to derive your satisfaction from the work. It can't be pats on the back, because they won't come. It can't be respect, because it isn't there. You have to be able to stand by yourself and say \"I'm valuable because the work that i do is important, and i do it well.\" And when no one, and i mean NOT A SINGLE GODDAMN PERSON gives you props or recognition, and you're still ok, then you're there.   Engineering is not about applause. It's not about accolades. It's simply about answers. Can you provide them? Are your answers better based on the metrics provided than those of others?  If you can say yes to that you have a job, but you will never have a fan club. If that's enough, go for it. If not, seek some other line of work.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":18778.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5g0ieo","c_root_id_B":"g5ggqkb","created_at_utc_A":1600233689,"created_at_utc_B":1600250214,"score_A":4,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"There are lots of \"non-violent\" aerospace companies like the EVTOL startups and drone delivery or rocketry, there's a lot of brain using in them where you can make a significant impact as an individual. PM me if that's something that would interest you","human_ref_B":"\"Engineering is so revered by society...\"  It is? I haven't noticed.   I'd actually directly argue against this. Engineering is grunt labor. The only reason it's at all elevated above blue collar work is because you don't literally get dirty while doing it quite as often.   The basic mentality of the public sector is \"I have an idea, it doesn't matter how difficult it is to acoustic do, I'll just get some stupid smart people to do all the work and I'll make massive money.\"  That isn't to entirely dismiss the value of people providing new ideas. That's often important, and also often people with little to no technical knowledge.  I just want you to know that people valuing you for the capabilities of your brain ended in high school. We as engineers are entirely replaceable, and viewed as such. You could be the best engineer in the world in your little niche, and maybe you're the equivalent of 3-4 \"average\" engineers. Maybe you're an anomaly and you're the equivalent of 10. Doesn't matter, you're still replaceable.  Make peace with the fact that nothing you ever do will be functionally unique. Don't expect to be applauded, it won't come. When a car wins the F1 series, the applause are for the driver. No one gives a fuck what the engineers did or the hours they put in except other engineers.   If this seems like a tangent, here's the connection: you have to derive your satisfaction from the work. It can't be pats on the back, because they won't come. It can't be respect, because it isn't there. You have to be able to stand by yourself and say \"I'm valuable because the work that i do is important, and i do it well.\" And when no one, and i mean NOT A SINGLE GODDAMN PERSON gives you props or recognition, and you're still ok, then you're there.   Engineering is not about applause. It's not about accolades. It's simply about answers. Can you provide them? Are your answers better based on the metrics provided than those of others?  If you can say yes to that you have a job, but you will never have a fan club. If that's enough, go for it. If not, seek some other line of work.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":16525.0,"score_ratio":3.75}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5g3y2s","c_root_id_B":"g5ggqkb","created_at_utc_A":1600236549,"created_at_utc_B":1600250214,"score_A":5,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"I'm a ChemE, and I had a similar issue I ran into when looking for jobs. I had an offer to work for oil & gas, but it didn't reflect on working towards a more sustainable future. Also, I would have started in manufacturing, which I hated from a previous internship. My brain was turned off during the internship, because of how mind-numbing the work was and is. There were some really cool controls work some of the engineers were working on, but I wouldn't have been able to touch that for who knows how long.  Then I looked towards batteries, where ChemE is still relevant and also fulfills the goal of working towards a more sustainable future. I was always interested in electrochemistry, but didn't have any prior internships in the field. Now I'm working in cell engineering and modeling in automotive, which I find amazing.   Maybe going to grad school could be helpful. I was hesitant on applying to grad school right after undergrad, because I didn't know what I was truly passionate in to dedicate time towards research that I would find worthwhile. At the end of the day, I would either be in academia or industry, and I knew I would be industry. Staying more in academia doing research would not help me directly find work I would enjoy in industry, so I decided to push grad school off.  If there's an industry that piqued your interest, try finding a position in that industry, and see if you like it. Modeling and simulation work is very technical, so maybe a modeling position for an industry you care about would be good. For working with people and doing technical work, maybe you could find a project engineering position, closer towards the start of the product development life cycle. Some ideas, good luck!","human_ref_B":"\"Engineering is so revered by society...\"  It is? I haven't noticed.   I'd actually directly argue against this. Engineering is grunt labor. The only reason it's at all elevated above blue collar work is because you don't literally get dirty while doing it quite as often.   The basic mentality of the public sector is \"I have an idea, it doesn't matter how difficult it is to acoustic do, I'll just get some stupid smart people to do all the work and I'll make massive money.\"  That isn't to entirely dismiss the value of people providing new ideas. That's often important, and also often people with little to no technical knowledge.  I just want you to know that people valuing you for the capabilities of your brain ended in high school. We as engineers are entirely replaceable, and viewed as such. You could be the best engineer in the world in your little niche, and maybe you're the equivalent of 3-4 \"average\" engineers. Maybe you're an anomaly and you're the equivalent of 10. Doesn't matter, you're still replaceable.  Make peace with the fact that nothing you ever do will be functionally unique. Don't expect to be applauded, it won't come. When a car wins the F1 series, the applause are for the driver. No one gives a fuck what the engineers did or the hours they put in except other engineers.   If this seems like a tangent, here's the connection: you have to derive your satisfaction from the work. It can't be pats on the back, because they won't come. It can't be respect, because it isn't there. You have to be able to stand by yourself and say \"I'm valuable because the work that i do is important, and i do it well.\" And when no one, and i mean NOT A SINGLE GODDAMN PERSON gives you props or recognition, and you're still ok, then you're there.   Engineering is not about applause. It's not about accolades. It's simply about answers. Can you provide them? Are your answers better based on the metrics provided than those of others?  If you can say yes to that you have a job, but you will never have a fan club. If that's enough, go for it. If not, seek some other line of work.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":13665.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5fvs7j","c_root_id_B":"g5ggqkb","created_at_utc_A":1600230218,"created_at_utc_B":1600250214,"score_A":2,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"I would definitely do graduate school, but before that I would talk to someone at your work to get a clear idea of a career path. If its in defense there's a good chance you may like another group or area to work, I would ask before you jump ship.   If thats not the case make sure you start graduate school with a clear idea of what you want to do. What makes you happy and what your passion is. So you don't waste anytime during the school year and get a good start on the path that's right for you. Maybe look into some national laboratories or a more technical job.","human_ref_B":"\"Engineering is so revered by society...\"  It is? I haven't noticed.   I'd actually directly argue against this. Engineering is grunt labor. The only reason it's at all elevated above blue collar work is because you don't literally get dirty while doing it quite as often.   The basic mentality of the public sector is \"I have an idea, it doesn't matter how difficult it is to acoustic do, I'll just get some stupid smart people to do all the work and I'll make massive money.\"  That isn't to entirely dismiss the value of people providing new ideas. That's often important, and also often people with little to no technical knowledge.  I just want you to know that people valuing you for the capabilities of your brain ended in high school. We as engineers are entirely replaceable, and viewed as such. You could be the best engineer in the world in your little niche, and maybe you're the equivalent of 3-4 \"average\" engineers. Maybe you're an anomaly and you're the equivalent of 10. Doesn't matter, you're still replaceable.  Make peace with the fact that nothing you ever do will be functionally unique. Don't expect to be applauded, it won't come. When a car wins the F1 series, the applause are for the driver. No one gives a fuck what the engineers did or the hours they put in except other engineers.   If this seems like a tangent, here's the connection: you have to derive your satisfaction from the work. It can't be pats on the back, because they won't come. It can't be respect, because it isn't there. You have to be able to stand by yourself and say \"I'm valuable because the work that i do is important, and i do it well.\" And when no one, and i mean NOT A SINGLE GODDAMN PERSON gives you props or recognition, and you're still ok, then you're there.   Engineering is not about applause. It's not about accolades. It's simply about answers. Can you provide them? Are your answers better based on the metrics provided than those of others?  If you can say yes to that you have a job, but you will never have a fan club. If that's enough, go for it. If not, seek some other line of work.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":19996.0,"score_ratio":7.5}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5ggqkb","c_root_id_B":"g5g0d1k","created_at_utc_A":1600250214,"created_at_utc_B":1600233569,"score_A":15,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"\"Engineering is so revered by society...\"  It is? I haven't noticed.   I'd actually directly argue against this. Engineering is grunt labor. The only reason it's at all elevated above blue collar work is because you don't literally get dirty while doing it quite as often.   The basic mentality of the public sector is \"I have an idea, it doesn't matter how difficult it is to acoustic do, I'll just get some stupid smart people to do all the work and I'll make massive money.\"  That isn't to entirely dismiss the value of people providing new ideas. That's often important, and also often people with little to no technical knowledge.  I just want you to know that people valuing you for the capabilities of your brain ended in high school. We as engineers are entirely replaceable, and viewed as such. You could be the best engineer in the world in your little niche, and maybe you're the equivalent of 3-4 \"average\" engineers. Maybe you're an anomaly and you're the equivalent of 10. Doesn't matter, you're still replaceable.  Make peace with the fact that nothing you ever do will be functionally unique. Don't expect to be applauded, it won't come. When a car wins the F1 series, the applause are for the driver. No one gives a fuck what the engineers did or the hours they put in except other engineers.   If this seems like a tangent, here's the connection: you have to derive your satisfaction from the work. It can't be pats on the back, because they won't come. It can't be respect, because it isn't there. You have to be able to stand by yourself and say \"I'm valuable because the work that i do is important, and i do it well.\" And when no one, and i mean NOT A SINGLE GODDAMN PERSON gives you props or recognition, and you're still ok, then you're there.   Engineering is not about applause. It's not about accolades. It's simply about answers. Can you provide them? Are your answers better based on the metrics provided than those of others?  If you can say yes to that you have a job, but you will never have a fan club. If that's enough, go for it. If not, seek some other line of work.","human_ref_B":"Graduate school may help, but every field, every company within that field, every team at each company has a different feel.  You could get the exact same job at another company and it would be a totally different experience.  My advice is to find a smaller company where you have more responsibility. Large defense companies are notoriously red-tape heavy and hands-off. The future are small, agile companies. Find them and apply to them. Plenty of people have followed the same path I'm describing.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":16645.0,"score_ratio":7.5}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5ggqkb","c_root_id_B":"g5g58vl","created_at_utc_A":1600250214,"created_at_utc_B":1600237714,"score_A":15,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"\"Engineering is so revered by society...\"  It is? I haven't noticed.   I'd actually directly argue against this. Engineering is grunt labor. The only reason it's at all elevated above blue collar work is because you don't literally get dirty while doing it quite as often.   The basic mentality of the public sector is \"I have an idea, it doesn't matter how difficult it is to acoustic do, I'll just get some stupid smart people to do all the work and I'll make massive money.\"  That isn't to entirely dismiss the value of people providing new ideas. That's often important, and also often people with little to no technical knowledge.  I just want you to know that people valuing you for the capabilities of your brain ended in high school. We as engineers are entirely replaceable, and viewed as such. You could be the best engineer in the world in your little niche, and maybe you're the equivalent of 3-4 \"average\" engineers. Maybe you're an anomaly and you're the equivalent of 10. Doesn't matter, you're still replaceable.  Make peace with the fact that nothing you ever do will be functionally unique. Don't expect to be applauded, it won't come. When a car wins the F1 series, the applause are for the driver. No one gives a fuck what the engineers did or the hours they put in except other engineers.   If this seems like a tangent, here's the connection: you have to derive your satisfaction from the work. It can't be pats on the back, because they won't come. It can't be respect, because it isn't there. You have to be able to stand by yourself and say \"I'm valuable because the work that i do is important, and i do it well.\" And when no one, and i mean NOT A SINGLE GODDAMN PERSON gives you props or recognition, and you're still ok, then you're there.   Engineering is not about applause. It's not about accolades. It's simply about answers. Can you provide them? Are your answers better based on the metrics provided than those of others?  If you can say yes to that you have a job, but you will never have a fan club. If that's enough, go for it. If not, seek some other line of work.","human_ref_B":"I can completely understand and relate. For me, the answer was working at startups, and starting my own project I felt passionate about getting out of bed in the morning to work on, coupled with the reality that nobody wants to be in poverty, nor live in a golden cage. The both suck. I\u2019d say follow your passion while doing what you need to do.  Can also relate to feeling ambivalent about working on weapons. We live in a world where they are needed, and there IS evil in this world that only understands bullets, along with things worth defending with weapons of mass destruction, but I also see we just come up with clever ways to kill and destroy our own civilization. I like space and space technologies because they are inspiring, and offer the best realistic but ambitious future for humankind.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":12500.0,"score_ratio":7.5}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5fyuye","c_root_id_B":"g5gmt65","created_at_utc_A":1600232404,"created_at_utc_B":1600256424,"score_A":8,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"If you are looking to help people maybe look into biomedical engineering. You will most likely need a masters\/phd to really delve into design work. But it sounds like you might enjoy it.  Small or large companies, they are all doing interesting work. It's a growing industry. Which will just become larger with the ageing population living longer etc.","human_ref_B":"Consider the Peace Corps or Engineers without Borders.  One of my friends gave up her safe and lucrative career to go to South America to help impoverished children and do all kinds of engineering projects and I see her pics \u2014 she never smiled like that at work.  She even met the love of her life down there.   Maybe you\u2019re meant for something else?  Another example, my friend took all her 401k cash, went to a coding boot camp, & then got a job in The Netherlands working for a coding company.   She\u2019s an expat. I\u2019ve met tons of expats over here in Europe.   They look so laid back, happy, & relaxed.  Money isn\u2019t everything.   You may need to take some time off and re-evaluate your priorities, my friend.  Final example, promise. My buddy, Lawrence, wanted a high-paying career, he went into petroleum engineering and then the industry went bust.   He went into defense, didn\u2019t like it, then went into sales. He didn\u2019t like that either. He\u2019s finally in customer relations (billion dollar accounts) & he was living life up in Manhattan until COVID.  Now he\u2019s got a girl and wants to move to the \u2018burbs.  Even when you get what you\u2019ve always wanted, you might realize it\u2019s not what you really wanted.   I recommend Alaskan wilderness for a week or two to clear your head.   Fishing licenses can be purchased in Walmart, go during salmon fishing season and be alone with your thoughts fishing for salmon.   That helped me.   Good Luck, buddy!!  P.S.  In case you\u2019re curious, I work for the Federal Government. My pay is *comparatively* crap, but my life is so peaceful, relaxing, & amazing compared to my high-stress friends.   Again, good luck, my friend, I hope you find what you\u2019re looking for!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":24020.0,"score_ratio":1.625}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5gmt65","c_root_id_B":"g5g3deq","created_at_utc_A":1600256424,"created_at_utc_B":1600236045,"score_A":13,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Consider the Peace Corps or Engineers without Borders.  One of my friends gave up her safe and lucrative career to go to South America to help impoverished children and do all kinds of engineering projects and I see her pics \u2014 she never smiled like that at work.  She even met the love of her life down there.   Maybe you\u2019re meant for something else?  Another example, my friend took all her 401k cash, went to a coding boot camp, & then got a job in The Netherlands working for a coding company.   She\u2019s an expat. I\u2019ve met tons of expats over here in Europe.   They look so laid back, happy, & relaxed.  Money isn\u2019t everything.   You may need to take some time off and re-evaluate your priorities, my friend.  Final example, promise. My buddy, Lawrence, wanted a high-paying career, he went into petroleum engineering and then the industry went bust.   He went into defense, didn\u2019t like it, then went into sales. He didn\u2019t like that either. He\u2019s finally in customer relations (billion dollar accounts) & he was living life up in Manhattan until COVID.  Now he\u2019s got a girl and wants to move to the \u2018burbs.  Even when you get what you\u2019ve always wanted, you might realize it\u2019s not what you really wanted.   I recommend Alaskan wilderness for a week or two to clear your head.   Fishing licenses can be purchased in Walmart, go during salmon fishing season and be alone with your thoughts fishing for salmon.   That helped me.   Good Luck, buddy!!  P.S.  In case you\u2019re curious, I work for the Federal Government. My pay is *comparatively* crap, but my life is so peaceful, relaxing, & amazing compared to my high-stress friends.   Again, good luck, my friend, I hope you find what you\u2019re looking for!","human_ref_B":"I really enjoy Quality engineering since I get to do stuff with my hands often, and at my desk. It's really fulfilling to sort out issues and make life easier for the folks on the assembly line","labels":1,"seconds_difference":20379.0,"score_ratio":1.8571428571}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5gmt65","c_root_id_B":"g5ga4kj","created_at_utc_A":1600256424,"created_at_utc_B":1600242597,"score_A":13,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Consider the Peace Corps or Engineers without Borders.  One of my friends gave up her safe and lucrative career to go to South America to help impoverished children and do all kinds of engineering projects and I see her pics \u2014 she never smiled like that at work.  She even met the love of her life down there.   Maybe you\u2019re meant for something else?  Another example, my friend took all her 401k cash, went to a coding boot camp, & then got a job in The Netherlands working for a coding company.   She\u2019s an expat. I\u2019ve met tons of expats over here in Europe.   They look so laid back, happy, & relaxed.  Money isn\u2019t everything.   You may need to take some time off and re-evaluate your priorities, my friend.  Final example, promise. My buddy, Lawrence, wanted a high-paying career, he went into petroleum engineering and then the industry went bust.   He went into defense, didn\u2019t like it, then went into sales. He didn\u2019t like that either. He\u2019s finally in customer relations (billion dollar accounts) & he was living life up in Manhattan until COVID.  Now he\u2019s got a girl and wants to move to the \u2018burbs.  Even when you get what you\u2019ve always wanted, you might realize it\u2019s not what you really wanted.   I recommend Alaskan wilderness for a week or two to clear your head.   Fishing licenses can be purchased in Walmart, go during salmon fishing season and be alone with your thoughts fishing for salmon.   That helped me.   Good Luck, buddy!!  P.S.  In case you\u2019re curious, I work for the Federal Government. My pay is *comparatively* crap, but my life is so peaceful, relaxing, & amazing compared to my high-stress friends.   Again, good luck, my friend, I hope you find what you\u2019re looking for!","human_ref_B":"I work as an engineer doing R&D at an oceanography centre.  This might be the kind of role that you're looking for.  The various engineering teams here develop underwater robots and\/or novel instruments for scientific applications.  This former role in particular might be a good fit for someone with an aero background.  Controls would probably come into it a bit, regardless of the role.  The engineering teams are small enough that most people have to do at least some interdiscipinary work.  R&D tends to be about developing and making small numbers of new things so we have to be flexible.    I really like this work - it's really cutting-edge and in support of something that I think is important.  It's quite mixed, technically, and we get to do the full development cycle from concept on paper through to deployment of equipment in the field.  The caveat is that if you want to go this route, it's very likely that you're going to take a big salary hit compared to a \"top aerospace company\".   > I'm wondering if graduate school would help.   Grad school does open some doors, certainly in R&D.  It will close other doors, though.  Before you sign up for grad school, invest some time into reading a *lot* of job ads.  Look far and wide geographically (not just where you would apply), and don't only use job aggregator sites but really spend some time looking at various companies or institutes.  The goal here is to find out what jobs exist and what background\/education\/experience they require.  Anytime you find something that really sparks your interest, save a copy of the job ad and note down the basics in a spreadsheet.  The once you've found enough jobs to do some statistics, check out what fraction of the most appealing jobs require a masters (or other credentials).  Apply for some of the ones that don't, and if you get an interview you can use that to decide whether the options available to you are what you're looking for.  *Then* decide on grad school.   > I'm hoping graduate school would... give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in  Grad school is not the place for this.  You need to come in entirely focused on what you want to get out of it, or you'll get nothing out of it.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":13827.0,"score_ratio":2.6}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5fxjae","c_root_id_B":"g5gmt65","created_at_utc_A":1600231436,"created_at_utc_B":1600256424,"score_A":6,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"work in manufacturing at a small company! fun solving problems without all the red tape","human_ref_B":"Consider the Peace Corps or Engineers without Borders.  One of my friends gave up her safe and lucrative career to go to South America to help impoverished children and do all kinds of engineering projects and I see her pics \u2014 she never smiled like that at work.  She even met the love of her life down there.   Maybe you\u2019re meant for something else?  Another example, my friend took all her 401k cash, went to a coding boot camp, & then got a job in The Netherlands working for a coding company.   She\u2019s an expat. I\u2019ve met tons of expats over here in Europe.   They look so laid back, happy, & relaxed.  Money isn\u2019t everything.   You may need to take some time off and re-evaluate your priorities, my friend.  Final example, promise. My buddy, Lawrence, wanted a high-paying career, he went into petroleum engineering and then the industry went bust.   He went into defense, didn\u2019t like it, then went into sales. He didn\u2019t like that either. He\u2019s finally in customer relations (billion dollar accounts) & he was living life up in Manhattan until COVID.  Now he\u2019s got a girl and wants to move to the \u2018burbs.  Even when you get what you\u2019ve always wanted, you might realize it\u2019s not what you really wanted.   I recommend Alaskan wilderness for a week or two to clear your head.   Fishing licenses can be purchased in Walmart, go during salmon fishing season and be alone with your thoughts fishing for salmon.   That helped me.   Good Luck, buddy!!  P.S.  In case you\u2019re curious, I work for the Federal Government. My pay is *comparatively* crap, but my life is so peaceful, relaxing, & amazing compared to my high-stress friends.   Again, good luck, my friend, I hope you find what you\u2019re looking for!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":24988.0,"score_ratio":2.1666666667}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5g0ieo","c_root_id_B":"g5gmt65","created_at_utc_A":1600233689,"created_at_utc_B":1600256424,"score_A":4,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"There are lots of \"non-violent\" aerospace companies like the EVTOL startups and drone delivery or rocketry, there's a lot of brain using in them where you can make a significant impact as an individual. PM me if that's something that would interest you","human_ref_B":"Consider the Peace Corps or Engineers without Borders.  One of my friends gave up her safe and lucrative career to go to South America to help impoverished children and do all kinds of engineering projects and I see her pics \u2014 she never smiled like that at work.  She even met the love of her life down there.   Maybe you\u2019re meant for something else?  Another example, my friend took all her 401k cash, went to a coding boot camp, & then got a job in The Netherlands working for a coding company.   She\u2019s an expat. I\u2019ve met tons of expats over here in Europe.   They look so laid back, happy, & relaxed.  Money isn\u2019t everything.   You may need to take some time off and re-evaluate your priorities, my friend.  Final example, promise. My buddy, Lawrence, wanted a high-paying career, he went into petroleum engineering and then the industry went bust.   He went into defense, didn\u2019t like it, then went into sales. He didn\u2019t like that either. He\u2019s finally in customer relations (billion dollar accounts) & he was living life up in Manhattan until COVID.  Now he\u2019s got a girl and wants to move to the \u2018burbs.  Even when you get what you\u2019ve always wanted, you might realize it\u2019s not what you really wanted.   I recommend Alaskan wilderness for a week or two to clear your head.   Fishing licenses can be purchased in Walmart, go during salmon fishing season and be alone with your thoughts fishing for salmon.   That helped me.   Good Luck, buddy!!  P.S.  In case you\u2019re curious, I work for the Federal Government. My pay is *comparatively* crap, but my life is so peaceful, relaxing, & amazing compared to my high-stress friends.   Again, good luck, my friend, I hope you find what you\u2019re looking for!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":22735.0,"score_ratio":3.25}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5gmt65","c_root_id_B":"g5g3y2s","created_at_utc_A":1600256424,"created_at_utc_B":1600236549,"score_A":13,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Consider the Peace Corps or Engineers without Borders.  One of my friends gave up her safe and lucrative career to go to South America to help impoverished children and do all kinds of engineering projects and I see her pics \u2014 she never smiled like that at work.  She even met the love of her life down there.   Maybe you\u2019re meant for something else?  Another example, my friend took all her 401k cash, went to a coding boot camp, & then got a job in The Netherlands working for a coding company.   She\u2019s an expat. I\u2019ve met tons of expats over here in Europe.   They look so laid back, happy, & relaxed.  Money isn\u2019t everything.   You may need to take some time off and re-evaluate your priorities, my friend.  Final example, promise. My buddy, Lawrence, wanted a high-paying career, he went into petroleum engineering and then the industry went bust.   He went into defense, didn\u2019t like it, then went into sales. He didn\u2019t like that either. He\u2019s finally in customer relations (billion dollar accounts) & he was living life up in Manhattan until COVID.  Now he\u2019s got a girl and wants to move to the \u2018burbs.  Even when you get what you\u2019ve always wanted, you might realize it\u2019s not what you really wanted.   I recommend Alaskan wilderness for a week or two to clear your head.   Fishing licenses can be purchased in Walmart, go during salmon fishing season and be alone with your thoughts fishing for salmon.   That helped me.   Good Luck, buddy!!  P.S.  In case you\u2019re curious, I work for the Federal Government. My pay is *comparatively* crap, but my life is so peaceful, relaxing, & amazing compared to my high-stress friends.   Again, good luck, my friend, I hope you find what you\u2019re looking for!","human_ref_B":"I'm a ChemE, and I had a similar issue I ran into when looking for jobs. I had an offer to work for oil & gas, but it didn't reflect on working towards a more sustainable future. Also, I would have started in manufacturing, which I hated from a previous internship. My brain was turned off during the internship, because of how mind-numbing the work was and is. There were some really cool controls work some of the engineers were working on, but I wouldn't have been able to touch that for who knows how long.  Then I looked towards batteries, where ChemE is still relevant and also fulfills the goal of working towards a more sustainable future. I was always interested in electrochemistry, but didn't have any prior internships in the field. Now I'm working in cell engineering and modeling in automotive, which I find amazing.   Maybe going to grad school could be helpful. I was hesitant on applying to grad school right after undergrad, because I didn't know what I was truly passionate in to dedicate time towards research that I would find worthwhile. At the end of the day, I would either be in academia or industry, and I knew I would be industry. Staying more in academia doing research would not help me directly find work I would enjoy in industry, so I decided to push grad school off.  If there's an industry that piqued your interest, try finding a position in that industry, and see if you like it. Modeling and simulation work is very technical, so maybe a modeling position for an industry you care about would be good. For working with people and doing technical work, maybe you could find a project engineering position, closer towards the start of the product development life cycle. Some ideas, good luck!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":19875.0,"score_ratio":2.6}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5gica7","c_root_id_B":"g5gmt65","created_at_utc_A":1600252000,"created_at_utc_B":1600256424,"score_A":3,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"Look in the public sector. Agencies may move slower than the private sector but feels like you can see your projects making a difference. Transportation, water, fire, air quality. See who's hiring and if anything sparks your interest, keep looking. Lots of aviation, UAS\/UAV in mine.  That's my recommendation. Good luck, covid can also make us all feel less purpose at times, so be good to yourself.","human_ref_B":"Consider the Peace Corps or Engineers without Borders.  One of my friends gave up her safe and lucrative career to go to South America to help impoverished children and do all kinds of engineering projects and I see her pics \u2014 she never smiled like that at work.  She even met the love of her life down there.   Maybe you\u2019re meant for something else?  Another example, my friend took all her 401k cash, went to a coding boot camp, & then got a job in The Netherlands working for a coding company.   She\u2019s an expat. I\u2019ve met tons of expats over here in Europe.   They look so laid back, happy, & relaxed.  Money isn\u2019t everything.   You may need to take some time off and re-evaluate your priorities, my friend.  Final example, promise. My buddy, Lawrence, wanted a high-paying career, he went into petroleum engineering and then the industry went bust.   He went into defense, didn\u2019t like it, then went into sales. He didn\u2019t like that either. He\u2019s finally in customer relations (billion dollar accounts) & he was living life up in Manhattan until COVID.  Now he\u2019s got a girl and wants to move to the \u2018burbs.  Even when you get what you\u2019ve always wanted, you might realize it\u2019s not what you really wanted.   I recommend Alaskan wilderness for a week or two to clear your head.   Fishing licenses can be purchased in Walmart, go during salmon fishing season and be alone with your thoughts fishing for salmon.   That helped me.   Good Luck, buddy!!  P.S.  In case you\u2019re curious, I work for the Federal Government. My pay is *comparatively* crap, but my life is so peaceful, relaxing, & amazing compared to my high-stress friends.   Again, good luck, my friend, I hope you find what you\u2019re looking for!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4424.0,"score_ratio":4.3333333333}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5fvs7j","c_root_id_B":"g5gmt65","created_at_utc_A":1600230218,"created_at_utc_B":1600256424,"score_A":2,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"I would definitely do graduate school, but before that I would talk to someone at your work to get a clear idea of a career path. If its in defense there's a good chance you may like another group or area to work, I would ask before you jump ship.   If thats not the case make sure you start graduate school with a clear idea of what you want to do. What makes you happy and what your passion is. So you don't waste anytime during the school year and get a good start on the path that's right for you. Maybe look into some national laboratories or a more technical job.","human_ref_B":"Consider the Peace Corps or Engineers without Borders.  One of my friends gave up her safe and lucrative career to go to South America to help impoverished children and do all kinds of engineering projects and I see her pics \u2014 she never smiled like that at work.  She even met the love of her life down there.   Maybe you\u2019re meant for something else?  Another example, my friend took all her 401k cash, went to a coding boot camp, & then got a job in The Netherlands working for a coding company.   She\u2019s an expat. I\u2019ve met tons of expats over here in Europe.   They look so laid back, happy, & relaxed.  Money isn\u2019t everything.   You may need to take some time off and re-evaluate your priorities, my friend.  Final example, promise. My buddy, Lawrence, wanted a high-paying career, he went into petroleum engineering and then the industry went bust.   He went into defense, didn\u2019t like it, then went into sales. He didn\u2019t like that either. He\u2019s finally in customer relations (billion dollar accounts) & he was living life up in Manhattan until COVID.  Now he\u2019s got a girl and wants to move to the \u2018burbs.  Even when you get what you\u2019ve always wanted, you might realize it\u2019s not what you really wanted.   I recommend Alaskan wilderness for a week or two to clear your head.   Fishing licenses can be purchased in Walmart, go during salmon fishing season and be alone with your thoughts fishing for salmon.   That helped me.   Good Luck, buddy!!  P.S.  In case you\u2019re curious, I work for the Federal Government. My pay is *comparatively* crap, but my life is so peaceful, relaxing, & amazing compared to my high-stress friends.   Again, good luck, my friend, I hope you find what you\u2019re looking for!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":26206.0,"score_ratio":6.5}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5gmt65","c_root_id_B":"g5g0d1k","created_at_utc_A":1600256424,"created_at_utc_B":1600233569,"score_A":13,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Consider the Peace Corps or Engineers without Borders.  One of my friends gave up her safe and lucrative career to go to South America to help impoverished children and do all kinds of engineering projects and I see her pics \u2014 she never smiled like that at work.  She even met the love of her life down there.   Maybe you\u2019re meant for something else?  Another example, my friend took all her 401k cash, went to a coding boot camp, & then got a job in The Netherlands working for a coding company.   She\u2019s an expat. I\u2019ve met tons of expats over here in Europe.   They look so laid back, happy, & relaxed.  Money isn\u2019t everything.   You may need to take some time off and re-evaluate your priorities, my friend.  Final example, promise. My buddy, Lawrence, wanted a high-paying career, he went into petroleum engineering and then the industry went bust.   He went into defense, didn\u2019t like it, then went into sales. He didn\u2019t like that either. He\u2019s finally in customer relations (billion dollar accounts) & he was living life up in Manhattan until COVID.  Now he\u2019s got a girl and wants to move to the \u2018burbs.  Even when you get what you\u2019ve always wanted, you might realize it\u2019s not what you really wanted.   I recommend Alaskan wilderness for a week or two to clear your head.   Fishing licenses can be purchased in Walmart, go during salmon fishing season and be alone with your thoughts fishing for salmon.   That helped me.   Good Luck, buddy!!  P.S.  In case you\u2019re curious, I work for the Federal Government. My pay is *comparatively* crap, but my life is so peaceful, relaxing, & amazing compared to my high-stress friends.   Again, good luck, my friend, I hope you find what you\u2019re looking for!","human_ref_B":"Graduate school may help, but every field, every company within that field, every team at each company has a different feel.  You could get the exact same job at another company and it would be a totally different experience.  My advice is to find a smaller company where you have more responsibility. Large defense companies are notoriously red-tape heavy and hands-off. The future are small, agile companies. Find them and apply to them. Plenty of people have followed the same path I'm describing.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":22855.0,"score_ratio":6.5}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5g58vl","c_root_id_B":"g5gmt65","created_at_utc_A":1600237714,"created_at_utc_B":1600256424,"score_A":2,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"I can completely understand and relate. For me, the answer was working at startups, and starting my own project I felt passionate about getting out of bed in the morning to work on, coupled with the reality that nobody wants to be in poverty, nor live in a golden cage. The both suck. I\u2019d say follow your passion while doing what you need to do.  Can also relate to feeling ambivalent about working on weapons. We live in a world where they are needed, and there IS evil in this world that only understands bullets, along with things worth defending with weapons of mass destruction, but I also see we just come up with clever ways to kill and destroy our own civilization. I like space and space technologies because they are inspiring, and offer the best realistic but ambitious future for humankind.","human_ref_B":"Consider the Peace Corps or Engineers without Borders.  One of my friends gave up her safe and lucrative career to go to South America to help impoverished children and do all kinds of engineering projects and I see her pics \u2014 she never smiled like that at work.  She even met the love of her life down there.   Maybe you\u2019re meant for something else?  Another example, my friend took all her 401k cash, went to a coding boot camp, & then got a job in The Netherlands working for a coding company.   She\u2019s an expat. I\u2019ve met tons of expats over here in Europe.   They look so laid back, happy, & relaxed.  Money isn\u2019t everything.   You may need to take some time off and re-evaluate your priorities, my friend.  Final example, promise. My buddy, Lawrence, wanted a high-paying career, he went into petroleum engineering and then the industry went bust.   He went into defense, didn\u2019t like it, then went into sales. He didn\u2019t like that either. He\u2019s finally in customer relations (billion dollar accounts) & he was living life up in Manhattan until COVID.  Now he\u2019s got a girl and wants to move to the \u2018burbs.  Even when you get what you\u2019ve always wanted, you might realize it\u2019s not what you really wanted.   I recommend Alaskan wilderness for a week or two to clear your head.   Fishing licenses can be purchased in Walmart, go during salmon fishing season and be alone with your thoughts fishing for salmon.   That helped me.   Good Luck, buddy!!  P.S.  In case you\u2019re curious, I work for the Federal Government. My pay is *comparatively* crap, but my life is so peaceful, relaxing, & amazing compared to my high-stress friends.   Again, good luck, my friend, I hope you find what you\u2019re looking for!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":18710.0,"score_ratio":6.5}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5gmt65","c_root_id_B":"g5ghi2u","created_at_utc_A":1600256424,"created_at_utc_B":1600251075,"score_A":13,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Consider the Peace Corps or Engineers without Borders.  One of my friends gave up her safe and lucrative career to go to South America to help impoverished children and do all kinds of engineering projects and I see her pics \u2014 she never smiled like that at work.  She even met the love of her life down there.   Maybe you\u2019re meant for something else?  Another example, my friend took all her 401k cash, went to a coding boot camp, & then got a job in The Netherlands working for a coding company.   She\u2019s an expat. I\u2019ve met tons of expats over here in Europe.   They look so laid back, happy, & relaxed.  Money isn\u2019t everything.   You may need to take some time off and re-evaluate your priorities, my friend.  Final example, promise. My buddy, Lawrence, wanted a high-paying career, he went into petroleum engineering and then the industry went bust.   He went into defense, didn\u2019t like it, then went into sales. He didn\u2019t like that either. He\u2019s finally in customer relations (billion dollar accounts) & he was living life up in Manhattan until COVID.  Now he\u2019s got a girl and wants to move to the \u2018burbs.  Even when you get what you\u2019ve always wanted, you might realize it\u2019s not what you really wanted.   I recommend Alaskan wilderness for a week or two to clear your head.   Fishing licenses can be purchased in Walmart, go during salmon fishing season and be alone with your thoughts fishing for salmon.   That helped me.   Good Luck, buddy!!  P.S.  In case you\u2019re curious, I work for the Federal Government. My pay is *comparatively* crap, but my life is so peaceful, relaxing, & amazing compared to my high-stress friends.   Again, good luck, my friend, I hope you find what you\u2019re looking for!","human_ref_B":"Work at a smaller company, you\u2019ll be much more engaged there.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5349.0,"score_ratio":6.5}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5fyuye","c_root_id_B":"g5fxjae","created_at_utc_A":1600232404,"created_at_utc_B":1600231436,"score_A":8,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"If you are looking to help people maybe look into biomedical engineering. You will most likely need a masters\/phd to really delve into design work. But it sounds like you might enjoy it.  Small or large companies, they are all doing interesting work. It's a growing industry. Which will just become larger with the ageing population living longer etc.","human_ref_B":"work in manufacturing at a small company! fun solving problems without all the red tape","labels":1,"seconds_difference":968.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5fvs7j","c_root_id_B":"g5fyuye","created_at_utc_A":1600230218,"created_at_utc_B":1600232404,"score_A":2,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"I would definitely do graduate school, but before that I would talk to someone at your work to get a clear idea of a career path. If its in defense there's a good chance you may like another group or area to work, I would ask before you jump ship.   If thats not the case make sure you start graduate school with a clear idea of what you want to do. What makes you happy and what your passion is. So you don't waste anytime during the school year and get a good start on the path that's right for you. Maybe look into some national laboratories or a more technical job.","human_ref_B":"If you are looking to help people maybe look into biomedical engineering. You will most likely need a masters\/phd to really delve into design work. But it sounds like you might enjoy it.  Small or large companies, they are all doing interesting work. It's a growing industry. Which will just become larger with the ageing population living longer etc.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2186.0,"score_ratio":4.0}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5fxjae","c_root_id_B":"g5g3deq","created_at_utc_A":1600231436,"created_at_utc_B":1600236045,"score_A":6,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"work in manufacturing at a small company! fun solving problems without all the red tape","human_ref_B":"I really enjoy Quality engineering since I get to do stuff with my hands often, and at my desk. It's really fulfilling to sort out issues and make life easier for the folks on the assembly line","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4609.0,"score_ratio":1.1666666667}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5g0ieo","c_root_id_B":"g5g3deq","created_at_utc_A":1600233689,"created_at_utc_B":1600236045,"score_A":4,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"There are lots of \"non-violent\" aerospace companies like the EVTOL startups and drone delivery or rocketry, there's a lot of brain using in them where you can make a significant impact as an individual. PM me if that's something that would interest you","human_ref_B":"I really enjoy Quality engineering since I get to do stuff with my hands often, and at my desk. It's really fulfilling to sort out issues and make life easier for the folks on the assembly line","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2356.0,"score_ratio":1.75}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5g3deq","c_root_id_B":"g5fvs7j","created_at_utc_A":1600236045,"created_at_utc_B":1600230218,"score_A":7,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I really enjoy Quality engineering since I get to do stuff with my hands often, and at my desk. It's really fulfilling to sort out issues and make life easier for the folks on the assembly line","human_ref_B":"I would definitely do graduate school, but before that I would talk to someone at your work to get a clear idea of a career path. If its in defense there's a good chance you may like another group or area to work, I would ask before you jump ship.   If thats not the case make sure you start graduate school with a clear idea of what you want to do. What makes you happy and what your passion is. So you don't waste anytime during the school year and get a good start on the path that's right for you. Maybe look into some national laboratories or a more technical job.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5827.0,"score_ratio":3.5}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5g0d1k","c_root_id_B":"g5g3deq","created_at_utc_A":1600233569,"created_at_utc_B":1600236045,"score_A":2,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Graduate school may help, but every field, every company within that field, every team at each company has a different feel.  You could get the exact same job at another company and it would be a totally different experience.  My advice is to find a smaller company where you have more responsibility. Large defense companies are notoriously red-tape heavy and hands-off. The future are small, agile companies. Find them and apply to them. Plenty of people have followed the same path I'm describing.","human_ref_B":"I really enjoy Quality engineering since I get to do stuff with my hands often, and at my desk. It's really fulfilling to sort out issues and make life easier for the folks on the assembly line","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2476.0,"score_ratio":3.5}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5g0ieo","c_root_id_B":"g5ga4kj","created_at_utc_A":1600233689,"created_at_utc_B":1600242597,"score_A":4,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"There are lots of \"non-violent\" aerospace companies like the EVTOL startups and drone delivery or rocketry, there's a lot of brain using in them where you can make a significant impact as an individual. PM me if that's something that would interest you","human_ref_B":"I work as an engineer doing R&D at an oceanography centre.  This might be the kind of role that you're looking for.  The various engineering teams here develop underwater robots and\/or novel instruments for scientific applications.  This former role in particular might be a good fit for someone with an aero background.  Controls would probably come into it a bit, regardless of the role.  The engineering teams are small enough that most people have to do at least some interdiscipinary work.  R&D tends to be about developing and making small numbers of new things so we have to be flexible.    I really like this work - it's really cutting-edge and in support of something that I think is important.  It's quite mixed, technically, and we get to do the full development cycle from concept on paper through to deployment of equipment in the field.  The caveat is that if you want to go this route, it's very likely that you're going to take a big salary hit compared to a \"top aerospace company\".   > I'm wondering if graduate school would help.   Grad school does open some doors, certainly in R&D.  It will close other doors, though.  Before you sign up for grad school, invest some time into reading a *lot* of job ads.  Look far and wide geographically (not just where you would apply), and don't only use job aggregator sites but really spend some time looking at various companies or institutes.  The goal here is to find out what jobs exist and what background\/education\/experience they require.  Anytime you find something that really sparks your interest, save a copy of the job ad and note down the basics in a spreadsheet.  The once you've found enough jobs to do some statistics, check out what fraction of the most appealing jobs require a masters (or other credentials).  Apply for some of the ones that don't, and if you get an interview you can use that to decide whether the options available to you are what you're looking for.  *Then* decide on grad school.   > I'm hoping graduate school would... give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in  Grad school is not the place for this.  You need to come in entirely focused on what you want to get out of it, or you'll get nothing out of it.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8908.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5fvs7j","c_root_id_B":"g5ga4kj","created_at_utc_A":1600230218,"created_at_utc_B":1600242597,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"I would definitely do graduate school, but before that I would talk to someone at your work to get a clear idea of a career path. If its in defense there's a good chance you may like another group or area to work, I would ask before you jump ship.   If thats not the case make sure you start graduate school with a clear idea of what you want to do. What makes you happy and what your passion is. So you don't waste anytime during the school year and get a good start on the path that's right for you. Maybe look into some national laboratories or a more technical job.","human_ref_B":"I work as an engineer doing R&D at an oceanography centre.  This might be the kind of role that you're looking for.  The various engineering teams here develop underwater robots and\/or novel instruments for scientific applications.  This former role in particular might be a good fit for someone with an aero background.  Controls would probably come into it a bit, regardless of the role.  The engineering teams are small enough that most people have to do at least some interdiscipinary work.  R&D tends to be about developing and making small numbers of new things so we have to be flexible.    I really like this work - it's really cutting-edge and in support of something that I think is important.  It's quite mixed, technically, and we get to do the full development cycle from concept on paper through to deployment of equipment in the field.  The caveat is that if you want to go this route, it's very likely that you're going to take a big salary hit compared to a \"top aerospace company\".   > I'm wondering if graduate school would help.   Grad school does open some doors, certainly in R&D.  It will close other doors, though.  Before you sign up for grad school, invest some time into reading a *lot* of job ads.  Look far and wide geographically (not just where you would apply), and don't only use job aggregator sites but really spend some time looking at various companies or institutes.  The goal here is to find out what jobs exist and what background\/education\/experience they require.  Anytime you find something that really sparks your interest, save a copy of the job ad and note down the basics in a spreadsheet.  The once you've found enough jobs to do some statistics, check out what fraction of the most appealing jobs require a masters (or other credentials).  Apply for some of the ones that don't, and if you get an interview you can use that to decide whether the options available to you are what you're looking for.  *Then* decide on grad school.   > I'm hoping graduate school would... give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in  Grad school is not the place for this.  You need to come in entirely focused on what you want to get out of it, or you'll get nothing out of it.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":12379.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5g0d1k","c_root_id_B":"g5ga4kj","created_at_utc_A":1600233569,"created_at_utc_B":1600242597,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Graduate school may help, but every field, every company within that field, every team at each company has a different feel.  You could get the exact same job at another company and it would be a totally different experience.  My advice is to find a smaller company where you have more responsibility. Large defense companies are notoriously red-tape heavy and hands-off. The future are small, agile companies. Find them and apply to them. Plenty of people have followed the same path I'm describing.","human_ref_B":"I work as an engineer doing R&D at an oceanography centre.  This might be the kind of role that you're looking for.  The various engineering teams here develop underwater robots and\/or novel instruments for scientific applications.  This former role in particular might be a good fit for someone with an aero background.  Controls would probably come into it a bit, regardless of the role.  The engineering teams are small enough that most people have to do at least some interdiscipinary work.  R&D tends to be about developing and making small numbers of new things so we have to be flexible.    I really like this work - it's really cutting-edge and in support of something that I think is important.  It's quite mixed, technically, and we get to do the full development cycle from concept on paper through to deployment of equipment in the field.  The caveat is that if you want to go this route, it's very likely that you're going to take a big salary hit compared to a \"top aerospace company\".   > I'm wondering if graduate school would help.   Grad school does open some doors, certainly in R&D.  It will close other doors, though.  Before you sign up for grad school, invest some time into reading a *lot* of job ads.  Look far and wide geographically (not just where you would apply), and don't only use job aggregator sites but really spend some time looking at various companies or institutes.  The goal here is to find out what jobs exist and what background\/education\/experience they require.  Anytime you find something that really sparks your interest, save a copy of the job ad and note down the basics in a spreadsheet.  The once you've found enough jobs to do some statistics, check out what fraction of the most appealing jobs require a masters (or other credentials).  Apply for some of the ones that don't, and if you get an interview you can use that to decide whether the options available to you are what you're looking for.  *Then* decide on grad school.   > I'm hoping graduate school would... give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in  Grad school is not the place for this.  You need to come in entirely focused on what you want to get out of it, or you'll get nothing out of it.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9028.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5ga4kj","c_root_id_B":"g5g58vl","created_at_utc_A":1600242597,"created_at_utc_B":1600237714,"score_A":5,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I work as an engineer doing R&D at an oceanography centre.  This might be the kind of role that you're looking for.  The various engineering teams here develop underwater robots and\/or novel instruments for scientific applications.  This former role in particular might be a good fit for someone with an aero background.  Controls would probably come into it a bit, regardless of the role.  The engineering teams are small enough that most people have to do at least some interdiscipinary work.  R&D tends to be about developing and making small numbers of new things so we have to be flexible.    I really like this work - it's really cutting-edge and in support of something that I think is important.  It's quite mixed, technically, and we get to do the full development cycle from concept on paper through to deployment of equipment in the field.  The caveat is that if you want to go this route, it's very likely that you're going to take a big salary hit compared to a \"top aerospace company\".   > I'm wondering if graduate school would help.   Grad school does open some doors, certainly in R&D.  It will close other doors, though.  Before you sign up for grad school, invest some time into reading a *lot* of job ads.  Look far and wide geographically (not just where you would apply), and don't only use job aggregator sites but really spend some time looking at various companies or institutes.  The goal here is to find out what jobs exist and what background\/education\/experience they require.  Anytime you find something that really sparks your interest, save a copy of the job ad and note down the basics in a spreadsheet.  The once you've found enough jobs to do some statistics, check out what fraction of the most appealing jobs require a masters (or other credentials).  Apply for some of the ones that don't, and if you get an interview you can use that to decide whether the options available to you are what you're looking for.  *Then* decide on grad school.   > I'm hoping graduate school would... give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in  Grad school is not the place for this.  You need to come in entirely focused on what you want to get out of it, or you'll get nothing out of it.","human_ref_B":"I can completely understand and relate. For me, the answer was working at startups, and starting my own project I felt passionate about getting out of bed in the morning to work on, coupled with the reality that nobody wants to be in poverty, nor live in a golden cage. The both suck. I\u2019d say follow your passion while doing what you need to do.  Can also relate to feeling ambivalent about working on weapons. We live in a world where they are needed, and there IS evil in this world that only understands bullets, along with things worth defending with weapons of mass destruction, but I also see we just come up with clever ways to kill and destroy our own civilization. I like space and space technologies because they are inspiring, and offer the best realistic but ambitious future for humankind.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4883.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5fxjae","c_root_id_B":"g5fvs7j","created_at_utc_A":1600231436,"created_at_utc_B":1600230218,"score_A":6,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"work in manufacturing at a small company! fun solving problems without all the red tape","human_ref_B":"I would definitely do graduate school, but before that I would talk to someone at your work to get a clear idea of a career path. If its in defense there's a good chance you may like another group or area to work, I would ask before you jump ship.   If thats not the case make sure you start graduate school with a clear idea of what you want to do. What makes you happy and what your passion is. So you don't waste anytime during the school year and get a good start on the path that's right for you. Maybe look into some national laboratories or a more technical job.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1218.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5g0ieo","c_root_id_B":"g5g3y2s","created_at_utc_A":1600233689,"created_at_utc_B":1600236549,"score_A":4,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"There are lots of \"non-violent\" aerospace companies like the EVTOL startups and drone delivery or rocketry, there's a lot of brain using in them where you can make a significant impact as an individual. PM me if that's something that would interest you","human_ref_B":"I'm a ChemE, and I had a similar issue I ran into when looking for jobs. I had an offer to work for oil & gas, but it didn't reflect on working towards a more sustainable future. Also, I would have started in manufacturing, which I hated from a previous internship. My brain was turned off during the internship, because of how mind-numbing the work was and is. There were some really cool controls work some of the engineers were working on, but I wouldn't have been able to touch that for who knows how long.  Then I looked towards batteries, where ChemE is still relevant and also fulfills the goal of working towards a more sustainable future. I was always interested in electrochemistry, but didn't have any prior internships in the field. Now I'm working in cell engineering and modeling in automotive, which I find amazing.   Maybe going to grad school could be helpful. I was hesitant on applying to grad school right after undergrad, because I didn't know what I was truly passionate in to dedicate time towards research that I would find worthwhile. At the end of the day, I would either be in academia or industry, and I knew I would be industry. Staying more in academia doing research would not help me directly find work I would enjoy in industry, so I decided to push grad school off.  If there's an industry that piqued your interest, try finding a position in that industry, and see if you like it. Modeling and simulation work is very technical, so maybe a modeling position for an industry you care about would be good. For working with people and doing technical work, maybe you could find a project engineering position, closer towards the start of the product development life cycle. Some ideas, good luck!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2860.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5fvs7j","c_root_id_B":"g5g0ieo","created_at_utc_A":1600230218,"created_at_utc_B":1600233689,"score_A":2,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I would definitely do graduate school, but before that I would talk to someone at your work to get a clear idea of a career path. If its in defense there's a good chance you may like another group or area to work, I would ask before you jump ship.   If thats not the case make sure you start graduate school with a clear idea of what you want to do. What makes you happy and what your passion is. So you don't waste anytime during the school year and get a good start on the path that's right for you. Maybe look into some national laboratories or a more technical job.","human_ref_B":"There are lots of \"non-violent\" aerospace companies like the EVTOL startups and drone delivery or rocketry, there's a lot of brain using in them where you can make a significant impact as an individual. PM me if that's something that would interest you","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3471.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5g0ieo","c_root_id_B":"g5g0d1k","created_at_utc_A":1600233689,"created_at_utc_B":1600233569,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"There are lots of \"non-violent\" aerospace companies like the EVTOL startups and drone delivery or rocketry, there's a lot of brain using in them where you can make a significant impact as an individual. PM me if that's something that would interest you","human_ref_B":"Graduate school may help, but every field, every company within that field, every team at each company has a different feel.  You could get the exact same job at another company and it would be a totally different experience.  My advice is to find a smaller company where you have more responsibility. Large defense companies are notoriously red-tape heavy and hands-off. The future are small, agile companies. Find them and apply to them. Plenty of people have followed the same path I'm describing.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":120.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5g3y2s","c_root_id_B":"g5fvs7j","created_at_utc_A":1600236549,"created_at_utc_B":1600230218,"score_A":5,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I'm a ChemE, and I had a similar issue I ran into when looking for jobs. I had an offer to work for oil & gas, but it didn't reflect on working towards a more sustainable future. Also, I would have started in manufacturing, which I hated from a previous internship. My brain was turned off during the internship, because of how mind-numbing the work was and is. There were some really cool controls work some of the engineers were working on, but I wouldn't have been able to touch that for who knows how long.  Then I looked towards batteries, where ChemE is still relevant and also fulfills the goal of working towards a more sustainable future. I was always interested in electrochemistry, but didn't have any prior internships in the field. Now I'm working in cell engineering and modeling in automotive, which I find amazing.   Maybe going to grad school could be helpful. I was hesitant on applying to grad school right after undergrad, because I didn't know what I was truly passionate in to dedicate time towards research that I would find worthwhile. At the end of the day, I would either be in academia or industry, and I knew I would be industry. Staying more in academia doing research would not help me directly find work I would enjoy in industry, so I decided to push grad school off.  If there's an industry that piqued your interest, try finding a position in that industry, and see if you like it. Modeling and simulation work is very technical, so maybe a modeling position for an industry you care about would be good. For working with people and doing technical work, maybe you could find a project engineering position, closer towards the start of the product development life cycle. Some ideas, good luck!","human_ref_B":"I would definitely do graduate school, but before that I would talk to someone at your work to get a clear idea of a career path. If its in defense there's a good chance you may like another group or area to work, I would ask before you jump ship.   If thats not the case make sure you start graduate school with a clear idea of what you want to do. What makes you happy and what your passion is. So you don't waste anytime during the school year and get a good start on the path that's right for you. Maybe look into some national laboratories or a more technical job.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6331.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5g0d1k","c_root_id_B":"g5g3y2s","created_at_utc_A":1600233569,"created_at_utc_B":1600236549,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Graduate school may help, but every field, every company within that field, every team at each company has a different feel.  You could get the exact same job at another company and it would be a totally different experience.  My advice is to find a smaller company where you have more responsibility. Large defense companies are notoriously red-tape heavy and hands-off. The future are small, agile companies. Find them and apply to them. Plenty of people have followed the same path I'm describing.","human_ref_B":"I'm a ChemE, and I had a similar issue I ran into when looking for jobs. I had an offer to work for oil & gas, but it didn't reflect on working towards a more sustainable future. Also, I would have started in manufacturing, which I hated from a previous internship. My brain was turned off during the internship, because of how mind-numbing the work was and is. There were some really cool controls work some of the engineers were working on, but I wouldn't have been able to touch that for who knows how long.  Then I looked towards batteries, where ChemE is still relevant and also fulfills the goal of working towards a more sustainable future. I was always interested in electrochemistry, but didn't have any prior internships in the field. Now I'm working in cell engineering and modeling in automotive, which I find amazing.   Maybe going to grad school could be helpful. I was hesitant on applying to grad school right after undergrad, because I didn't know what I was truly passionate in to dedicate time towards research that I would find worthwhile. At the end of the day, I would either be in academia or industry, and I knew I would be industry. Staying more in academia doing research would not help me directly find work I would enjoy in industry, so I decided to push grad school off.  If there's an industry that piqued your interest, try finding a position in that industry, and see if you like it. Modeling and simulation work is very technical, so maybe a modeling position for an industry you care about would be good. For working with people and doing technical work, maybe you could find a project engineering position, closer towards the start of the product development life cycle. Some ideas, good luck!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2980.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5fvs7j","c_root_id_B":"g5gica7","created_at_utc_A":1600230218,"created_at_utc_B":1600252000,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I would definitely do graduate school, but before that I would talk to someone at your work to get a clear idea of a career path. If its in defense there's a good chance you may like another group or area to work, I would ask before you jump ship.   If thats not the case make sure you start graduate school with a clear idea of what you want to do. What makes you happy and what your passion is. So you don't waste anytime during the school year and get a good start on the path that's right for you. Maybe look into some national laboratories or a more technical job.","human_ref_B":"Look in the public sector. Agencies may move slower than the private sector but feels like you can see your projects making a difference. Transportation, water, fire, air quality. See who's hiring and if anything sparks your interest, keep looking. Lots of aviation, UAS\/UAV in mine.  That's my recommendation. Good luck, covid can also make us all feel less purpose at times, so be good to yourself.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":21782.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5g0d1k","c_root_id_B":"g5gica7","created_at_utc_A":1600233569,"created_at_utc_B":1600252000,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Graduate school may help, but every field, every company within that field, every team at each company has a different feel.  You could get the exact same job at another company and it would be a totally different experience.  My advice is to find a smaller company where you have more responsibility. Large defense companies are notoriously red-tape heavy and hands-off. The future are small, agile companies. Find them and apply to them. Plenty of people have followed the same path I'm describing.","human_ref_B":"Look in the public sector. Agencies may move slower than the private sector but feels like you can see your projects making a difference. Transportation, water, fire, air quality. See who's hiring and if anything sparks your interest, keep looking. Lots of aviation, UAS\/UAV in mine.  That's my recommendation. Good luck, covid can also make us all feel less purpose at times, so be good to yourself.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":18431.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5gica7","c_root_id_B":"g5g58vl","created_at_utc_A":1600252000,"created_at_utc_B":1600237714,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Look in the public sector. Agencies may move slower than the private sector but feels like you can see your projects making a difference. Transportation, water, fire, air quality. See who's hiring and if anything sparks your interest, keep looking. Lots of aviation, UAS\/UAV in mine.  That's my recommendation. Good luck, covid can also make us all feel less purpose at times, so be good to yourself.","human_ref_B":"I can completely understand and relate. For me, the answer was working at startups, and starting my own project I felt passionate about getting out of bed in the morning to work on, coupled with the reality that nobody wants to be in poverty, nor live in a golden cage. The both suck. I\u2019d say follow your passion while doing what you need to do.  Can also relate to feeling ambivalent about working on weapons. We live in a world where they are needed, and there IS evil in this world that only understands bullets, along with things worth defending with weapons of mass destruction, but I also see we just come up with clever ways to kill and destroy our own civilization. I like space and space technologies because they are inspiring, and offer the best realistic but ambitious future for humankind.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":14286.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5gica7","c_root_id_B":"g5ghi2u","created_at_utc_A":1600252000,"created_at_utc_B":1600251075,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Look in the public sector. Agencies may move slower than the private sector but feels like you can see your projects making a difference. Transportation, water, fire, air quality. See who's hiring and if anything sparks your interest, keep looking. Lots of aviation, UAS\/UAV in mine.  That's my recommendation. Good luck, covid can also make us all feel less purpose at times, so be good to yourself.","human_ref_B":"Work at a smaller company, you\u2019ll be much more engaged there.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":925.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5h26t3","c_root_id_B":"g5fvs7j","created_at_utc_A":1600266447,"created_at_utc_B":1600230218,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"First, as a people person in engineering, you will be very quickly moved to a managerial role unless you take a hard line against it, which may affect your career long-term.  I think society, and especially the millennial and Gen Z'ers, has started to place too much emphasis on finding fulfillment in their careers.    The last thing you want to do is dread going to work everyday because you feel like the work runs counter to your values or is taking away from the rest of your life in other ways.  If you are looking for a career that is absolutely fulfilling, you need to be willing to forego certain levels of pay and locations to find that.  As your kind internet stranger offering advice, look for ways outside of work to find fulfillment, and then find a job that suits your values.  There are likely ways to feel good about most jobs.  If you are designing bombs for example, perhaps you look for ways that those bombs can kill only their intended targets.  The world will never be free from violence, so do you want someone with your mindset designing what you're designing, or do you want someone with a shoot first diplomacy second mindset designing what you're designing.  There are also other industries if you don't want to get creative in your thinking as others have mentioned.","human_ref_B":"I would definitely do graduate school, but before that I would talk to someone at your work to get a clear idea of a career path. If its in defense there's a good chance you may like another group or area to work, I would ask before you jump ship.   If thats not the case make sure you start graduate school with a clear idea of what you want to do. What makes you happy and what your passion is. So you don't waste anytime during the school year and get a good start on the path that's right for you. Maybe look into some national laboratories or a more technical job.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":36229.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5g0d1k","c_root_id_B":"g5h26t3","created_at_utc_A":1600233569,"created_at_utc_B":1600266447,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Graduate school may help, but every field, every company within that field, every team at each company has a different feel.  You could get the exact same job at another company and it would be a totally different experience.  My advice is to find a smaller company where you have more responsibility. Large defense companies are notoriously red-tape heavy and hands-off. The future are small, agile companies. Find them and apply to them. Plenty of people have followed the same path I'm describing.","human_ref_B":"First, as a people person in engineering, you will be very quickly moved to a managerial role unless you take a hard line against it, which may affect your career long-term.  I think society, and especially the millennial and Gen Z'ers, has started to place too much emphasis on finding fulfillment in their careers.    The last thing you want to do is dread going to work everyday because you feel like the work runs counter to your values or is taking away from the rest of your life in other ways.  If you are looking for a career that is absolutely fulfilling, you need to be willing to forego certain levels of pay and locations to find that.  As your kind internet stranger offering advice, look for ways outside of work to find fulfillment, and then find a job that suits your values.  There are likely ways to feel good about most jobs.  If you are designing bombs for example, perhaps you look for ways that those bombs can kill only their intended targets.  The world will never be free from violence, so do you want someone with your mindset designing what you're designing, or do you want someone with a shoot first diplomacy second mindset designing what you're designing.  There are also other industries if you don't want to get creative in your thinking as others have mentioned.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":32878.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5g58vl","c_root_id_B":"g5h26t3","created_at_utc_A":1600237714,"created_at_utc_B":1600266447,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I can completely understand and relate. For me, the answer was working at startups, and starting my own project I felt passionate about getting out of bed in the morning to work on, coupled with the reality that nobody wants to be in poverty, nor live in a golden cage. The both suck. I\u2019d say follow your passion while doing what you need to do.  Can also relate to feeling ambivalent about working on weapons. We live in a world where they are needed, and there IS evil in this world that only understands bullets, along with things worth defending with weapons of mass destruction, but I also see we just come up with clever ways to kill and destroy our own civilization. I like space and space technologies because they are inspiring, and offer the best realistic but ambitious future for humankind.","human_ref_B":"First, as a people person in engineering, you will be very quickly moved to a managerial role unless you take a hard line against it, which may affect your career long-term.  I think society, and especially the millennial and Gen Z'ers, has started to place too much emphasis on finding fulfillment in their careers.    The last thing you want to do is dread going to work everyday because you feel like the work runs counter to your values or is taking away from the rest of your life in other ways.  If you are looking for a career that is absolutely fulfilling, you need to be willing to forego certain levels of pay and locations to find that.  As your kind internet stranger offering advice, look for ways outside of work to find fulfillment, and then find a job that suits your values.  There are likely ways to feel good about most jobs.  If you are designing bombs for example, perhaps you look for ways that those bombs can kill only their intended targets.  The world will never be free from violence, so do you want someone with your mindset designing what you're designing, or do you want someone with a shoot first diplomacy second mindset designing what you're designing.  There are also other industries if you don't want to get creative in your thinking as others have mentioned.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":28733.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5h26t3","c_root_id_B":"g5ghi2u","created_at_utc_A":1600266447,"created_at_utc_B":1600251075,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"First, as a people person in engineering, you will be very quickly moved to a managerial role unless you take a hard line against it, which may affect your career long-term.  I think society, and especially the millennial and Gen Z'ers, has started to place too much emphasis on finding fulfillment in their careers.    The last thing you want to do is dread going to work everyday because you feel like the work runs counter to your values or is taking away from the rest of your life in other ways.  If you are looking for a career that is absolutely fulfilling, you need to be willing to forego certain levels of pay and locations to find that.  As your kind internet stranger offering advice, look for ways outside of work to find fulfillment, and then find a job that suits your values.  There are likely ways to feel good about most jobs.  If you are designing bombs for example, perhaps you look for ways that those bombs can kill only their intended targets.  The world will never be free from violence, so do you want someone with your mindset designing what you're designing, or do you want someone with a shoot first diplomacy second mindset designing what you're designing.  There are also other industries if you don't want to get creative in your thinking as others have mentioned.","human_ref_B":"Work at a smaller company, you\u2019ll be much more engaged there.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":15372.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5gqtq5","c_root_id_B":"g5h26t3","created_at_utc_A":1600259569,"created_at_utc_B":1600266447,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"You might consider working in medical devices. They are always looking for mechanical engineers and your experience in a regulated industry would help get you an interview.  Big companies touch thousands of patients every day with their products and you can never have a bad day - someone gets to spend more time with their family because of the products you design EVERY single day.","human_ref_B":"First, as a people person in engineering, you will be very quickly moved to a managerial role unless you take a hard line against it, which may affect your career long-term.  I think society, and especially the millennial and Gen Z'ers, has started to place too much emphasis on finding fulfillment in their careers.    The last thing you want to do is dread going to work everyday because you feel like the work runs counter to your values or is taking away from the rest of your life in other ways.  If you are looking for a career that is absolutely fulfilling, you need to be willing to forego certain levels of pay and locations to find that.  As your kind internet stranger offering advice, look for ways outside of work to find fulfillment, and then find a job that suits your values.  There are likely ways to feel good about most jobs.  If you are designing bombs for example, perhaps you look for ways that those bombs can kill only their intended targets.  The world will never be free from violence, so do you want someone with your mindset designing what you're designing, or do you want someone with a shoot first diplomacy second mindset designing what you're designing.  There are also other industries if you don't want to get creative in your thinking as others have mentioned.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6878.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"itlmbq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Finding a better purpose in engineering? Hi everyone,  I'm looking for advice.  I have followed a very secure path -- graduated from a top 5 mechanical engineering school and directly hired into a top aerospace company, where I've been for the past year. I thought I was hired into my dream job, but working as a design engineer in a cubicle farm makes me feel like my brain is atrophying. Working in defense as I have become more firm in my values of non-violence makes me feel icky as well. When I look around my current workplace, I'm not excited by the job that anyone around me has. I want something closer to full-brain (analytical + creative) problem-solving in my every day, for a problem that matters. I'm frustrated that engineering is so revered in society, but so far it feels like my skills are being wasted and I'm creating something bad for the world.  I don't know where to start in this search for better purpose in engineering.  I'm wondering if graduate school would help. I had an interest in controls in college but was told this field may be too \"deep\" for my liking. I'm a people person who wants to use my brain on good technology. I'm hoping graduate school would reaffirm my technical abilities and give me time\/experience to better determine what kind of tech I'm interested in.  Any thoughts\/advice?  Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"g5h26t3","c_root_id_B":"g5gvu8i","created_at_utc_A":1600266447,"created_at_utc_B":1600262827,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"First, as a people person in engineering, you will be very quickly moved to a managerial role unless you take a hard line against it, which may affect your career long-term.  I think society, and especially the millennial and Gen Z'ers, has started to place too much emphasis on finding fulfillment in their careers.    The last thing you want to do is dread going to work everyday because you feel like the work runs counter to your values or is taking away from the rest of your life in other ways.  If you are looking for a career that is absolutely fulfilling, you need to be willing to forego certain levels of pay and locations to find that.  As your kind internet stranger offering advice, look for ways outside of work to find fulfillment, and then find a job that suits your values.  There are likely ways to feel good about most jobs.  If you are designing bombs for example, perhaps you look for ways that those bombs can kill only their intended targets.  The world will never be free from violence, so do you want someone with your mindset designing what you're designing, or do you want someone with a shoot first diplomacy second mindset designing what you're designing.  There are also other industries if you don't want to get creative in your thinking as others have mentioned.","human_ref_B":"Honestly this sounds very typical for a big aerospace \/ defense company. It\u2019s going to be very bureaucratic and most \u201cengineers\u201d are really project managers. The awesome design jobs are for a few staff, and over time less and less. Most get subcontracted out and the big companies are system integrators. It sounds like you have two problems though, wanting to do more engineering and also wanting it to do good for the world.   Three pathways I suggest you explore: 1) work in renewable energy. I see several comments saying a wind power company would be a good fit. Also check out solar and battery storage companies that are looking for MEs. Tesla is not the only place but it\u2019s a good example.   2) consider working for a smaller engineering consultancy, in whatever industry. The smaller firms will likely be doing more of the real design work, understand first principles, and at the same time you get to see more of the holistic view of how something is made or created whereas at a big defense company you are just one cog in the machine.   3) you mentioned grad school. It\u2019s worth exploring if you really know what you want to specialize in, but it helps to have a year or two of experience to explore and know what you really wanna do\u2014 it\u2019ll make grad school so much more fruitful for you. Also if #1 or #2 don\u2019t work out for you consider grad school as an opportunity to pivot. Make sure your post- grad job hunt is concentrated on companies that match your values and don\u2019t apply to the big defense companies.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3620.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"al1qb1","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Engineers who went from entry-level technical role to an Executive level role, what was your career path like?","c_root_id_A":"ef9ux99","c_root_id_B":"ef9wenm","created_at_utc_A":1548780211,"created_at_utc_B":1548781037,"score_A":81,"score_B":317,"human_ref_A":"Obligatory not me but my mentor.   He was promoted to a mid level manager at his previous company, then came to our current one as a senior pm.  He was asked to move to a new location and start a new office, the office grew tremendously to the second largest (~100 people) and he got promoted to vp along the way.  Tldr: grew a new office from 3 people to 100.   EDIT: This is also an engineering design firm (consulting), so basically another story that agrees with u\/judgeholtman .","human_ref_B":"I've asked a dozen VP's and they all have the same basic story.  Start as entry level technical, get to senior Technical.  Pick up a masters in Engineering and\/or business somewhere along the way.   Then land a client.  That puts you on the radar.  The more clients you land the higher you rise.    If you want to go executive track, start networking now.  Make friends and never burn bridges when changing jobs.  Eventually start converting friendships and contacts into sales leads and sell your services.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":826.0,"score_ratio":3.9135802469}
{"post_id":"al1qb1","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Engineers who went from entry-level technical role to an Executive level role, what was your career path like?","c_root_id_A":"ef9wenm","c_root_id_B":"ef9welr","created_at_utc_A":1548781037,"created_at_utc_B":1548781036,"score_A":317,"score_B":51,"human_ref_A":"I've asked a dozen VP's and they all have the same basic story.  Start as entry level technical, get to senior Technical.  Pick up a masters in Engineering and\/or business somewhere along the way.   Then land a client.  That puts you on the radar.  The more clients you land the higher you rise.    If you want to go executive track, start networking now.  Make friends and never burn bridges when changing jobs.  Eventually start converting friendships and contacts into sales leads and sell your services.","human_ref_B":"Probably didn't spend their time cruising Reddit. :)","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1.0,"score_ratio":6.2156862745}
{"post_id":"al1qb1","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Engineers who went from entry-level technical role to an Executive level role, what was your career path like?","c_root_id_A":"ef9welr","c_root_id_B":"efa6i9k","created_at_utc_A":1548781036,"created_at_utc_B":1548786287,"score_A":51,"score_B":64,"human_ref_A":"Probably didn't spend their time cruising Reddit. :)","human_ref_B":"Engineer -> Lead Engineer -> Technical Supervisor - > Engineering Manager (at executive level) -> Started my own company","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5251.0,"score_ratio":1.2549019608}
{"post_id":"al1qb1","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Engineers who went from entry-level technical role to an Executive level role, what was your career path like?","c_root_id_A":"efa7g38","c_root_id_B":"efafotd","created_at_utc_A":1548786773,"created_at_utc_B":1548791047,"score_A":4,"score_B":51,"human_ref_A":"was technical advisor to my CTO for 6 months. he did BS MS PhD, started working in missile controls, worked his way up through manager, senior manager, director, VP, etc. all about hard work and knowing certain people and working on high profile projects and executing them well.","human_ref_B":"I haven't hit the full Executive level yet, but I've been (and am now, I hope) on my way up.  I'm in the Structural field.  Here's my path:  * Hard, INTELLIGENT work.  Don't work a ton of hours to do what everyone else does.  Work extra where it's required, but make sure it's justified.  But at the same time, don't slack off (she says as she posts from work on her lunch break) * Make sure you keep clients happy.  Hit every deadline you can.  If you can't, let them know in advance.  Communicate well with them.  Make sure they're happy with your designs; ask for feedback on how they worked in the field.  If they're larger projects, check in with both the Architect and Contractor once in a while. * Once you're a more senior position, consider taking them donuts.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4274.0,"score_ratio":12.75}
{"post_id":"al1qb1","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Engineers who went from entry-level technical role to an Executive level role, what was your career path like?","c_root_id_A":"efa7g38","c_root_id_B":"efakbzx","created_at_utc_A":1548786773,"created_at_utc_B":1548793537,"score_A":4,"score_B":22,"human_ref_A":"was technical advisor to my CTO for 6 months. he did BS MS PhD, started working in missile controls, worked his way up through manager, senior manager, director, VP, etc. all about hard work and knowing certain people and working on high profile projects and executing them well.","human_ref_B":"I think a lot of companies have bios on their executive staff, you could probably look at that. Most have pretty typical rises, good positions where they were challenged and succeeded with good managers that recognize the success. Most at my company spent 6+ years in a single area to get the \"depth\" followed by various roles on the way up that get you \"breadth\". A lot of it is luck and personal politics at the end of the day, so be at the right place at the right time and network constantly.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6764.0,"score_ratio":5.5}
{"post_id":"al1qb1","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Engineers who went from entry-level technical role to an Executive level role, what was your career path like?","c_root_id_A":"efarkd6","c_root_id_B":"efa7g38","created_at_utc_A":1548797673,"created_at_utc_B":1548786773,"score_A":17,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I co-op'ed with the same company the entire time I went to undergrad (3 months school, 3 months work, for 4 years). It is a huge company, and I was rotated through 5-6 different areas at the company while I was there. It was hugely helpful to get that much exposure while I was going through undergrad, I'd highly highly recommend that approach for undergrad to anyone considering it. After graduating I worked full time for that company relatively briefly, but I soon left to attend a good grad school to get my Master's degree in Mechanical Engineering.  Grad school was super valuable for me. I realized early on it wasn't just an opportunity for me to attend classes, I had a chance to work on things that interested me and to really figure out what I wanted to do. While I was there, I ended up extending my time in grad school from a planned 4 quarters to 6 quarters, and I started two companies while I was going to school with some of my classmates. We continued developing and running those companies after we graduated. It was tough for the first year or so, we were raising money, so we weren't able to get paid much and we lived in an expensive city.  To make ends meet, I picked up consulting work. That consulting work grew into a full time gig, and I ended up leaving both of the companies I started (they're going strong today though). I worked full time at the startup I was consulting for 3 years as product engineer initially, and ultimately Product Manager. This role allowed me to build out a lot of my management skills. I was leading the company through new product introductions and product changes, and it exposed me to more of the business than I had been able to access in the smaller startups I'd been working at.  I left that company to join a friend's startup as CTO. Being CTO at this company required me to lead product development, and to also work with contract manufacturers to get the product produced. I gained a ton of skills during this period around electronics and manufacturing. The new company was a small startup again, and I once again had to lean on consulting to get by. I consulted for several companies during the nights and weekends, and I'd work long days at my full time job as well. I'd say I worked on average 80-90 hours a week for most of my 20's. It was exhausting, but I was exposed to so many different products and systems that I was learning a ton.  Eventually this lifestyle started to wear on me (and my now wife), and one of the companies I had consulted for offered me a position as VP of Product Management and I took it. This company was also a startup, but much later stage (later stage startups = higher pay). My work load today is still significant, but it's nice to be able to have my nights and weekends back for the most part.  TL;DR: Intern (4yrs) -> ME (5mo) -> MSME (21mo) -> our startups + consulting (2 years) -> Product Engineer (1yr) -> Product Manager (2yrs) -> CTO@small startup (3.5yrs) -> VP@medium startup (2.5yrs - present)","human_ref_B":"was technical advisor to my CTO for 6 months. he did BS MS PhD, started working in missile controls, worked his way up through manager, senior manager, director, VP, etc. all about hard work and knowing certain people and working on high profile projects and executing them well.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10900.0,"score_ratio":4.25}
{"post_id":"al1qb1","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Engineers who went from entry-level technical role to an Executive level role, what was your career path like?","c_root_id_A":"efarkd6","c_root_id_B":"efamqn5","created_at_utc_A":1548797673,"created_at_utc_B":1548794911,"score_A":17,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"I co-op'ed with the same company the entire time I went to undergrad (3 months school, 3 months work, for 4 years). It is a huge company, and I was rotated through 5-6 different areas at the company while I was there. It was hugely helpful to get that much exposure while I was going through undergrad, I'd highly highly recommend that approach for undergrad to anyone considering it. After graduating I worked full time for that company relatively briefly, but I soon left to attend a good grad school to get my Master's degree in Mechanical Engineering.  Grad school was super valuable for me. I realized early on it wasn't just an opportunity for me to attend classes, I had a chance to work on things that interested me and to really figure out what I wanted to do. While I was there, I ended up extending my time in grad school from a planned 4 quarters to 6 quarters, and I started two companies while I was going to school with some of my classmates. We continued developing and running those companies after we graduated. It was tough for the first year or so, we were raising money, so we weren't able to get paid much and we lived in an expensive city.  To make ends meet, I picked up consulting work. That consulting work grew into a full time gig, and I ended up leaving both of the companies I started (they're going strong today though). I worked full time at the startup I was consulting for 3 years as product engineer initially, and ultimately Product Manager. This role allowed me to build out a lot of my management skills. I was leading the company through new product introductions and product changes, and it exposed me to more of the business than I had been able to access in the smaller startups I'd been working at.  I left that company to join a friend's startup as CTO. Being CTO at this company required me to lead product development, and to also work with contract manufacturers to get the product produced. I gained a ton of skills during this period around electronics and manufacturing. The new company was a small startup again, and I once again had to lean on consulting to get by. I consulted for several companies during the nights and weekends, and I'd work long days at my full time job as well. I'd say I worked on average 80-90 hours a week for most of my 20's. It was exhausting, but I was exposed to so many different products and systems that I was learning a ton.  Eventually this lifestyle started to wear on me (and my now wife), and one of the companies I had consulted for offered me a position as VP of Product Management and I took it. This company was also a startup, but much later stage (later stage startups = higher pay). My work load today is still significant, but it's nice to be able to have my nights and weekends back for the most part.  TL;DR: Intern (4yrs) -> ME (5mo) -> MSME (21mo) -> our startups + consulting (2 years) -> Product Engineer (1yr) -> Product Manager (2yrs) -> CTO@small startup (3.5yrs) -> VP@medium startup (2.5yrs - present)","human_ref_B":"It's not a recipe.  Everyone of us got here through a different path, with different skills, challenges and risks.  And luck.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2762.0,"score_ratio":3.4}
{"post_id":"al1qb1","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Engineers who went from entry-level technical role to an Executive level role, what was your career path like?","c_root_id_A":"efco3b5","c_root_id_B":"efa7g38","created_at_utc_A":1548850961,"created_at_utc_B":1548786773,"score_A":5,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Contractor\/Temp Engineer -> Associate Engineer -> Engineer -> Sr Engineer -> Manager -> Sr Manager -> Director (Head of R&D for my business)  It\u2019s all about PIE (Performance, Image, Exposure). Everyone knows about performance, but image and exposure are just as critical for rapid career advancement.  That journey took me about 9 years. Note that this is at a very large corporate company. I never ended-up getting an M.S. or MBA. MBA I am still considering.  Having a good mentor is critical as well.  Also need good management\/leadership that is willing to advance you.  Take advantage of opportunities to lead. Identify business needs, take ownership, lead, be accountable, and deliver results.  Once you get into people management, practice authentic leadership. Truly care about your team and employees. Help develop them. Motivate them. Give them all the tools to succeed. Encourage them to be open, honest, and transparent. Give them the exposure they need for their own rapid advancement. Be a servant leader.  Luck plays a factor as well. Everything mentioned above needs to line up.","human_ref_B":"was technical advisor to my CTO for 6 months. he did BS MS PhD, started working in missile controls, worked his way up through manager, senior manager, director, VP, etc. all about hard work and knowing certain people and working on high profile projects and executing them well.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":64188.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"al1qb1","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Engineers who went from entry-level technical role to an Executive level role, what was your career path like?","c_root_id_A":"efatlow","c_root_id_B":"efco3b5","created_at_utc_A":1548798900,"created_at_utc_B":1548850961,"score_A":4,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Assuming the path takes you through a management role, learning how to deal with people very well is important.  Not just on the surface . . . you need to be able to recruit, train, lead, coach, inspire, and motivate people.  If people like working for you as a supervisor, it will make your climb through the ranks much easier.  The same principles of dealing with people successfully apply to both your direct reports and your superiors.  &#x200B;  Source:  Head of a small department for a big company, just below executive level and expecting promotion in 2019.","human_ref_B":"Contractor\/Temp Engineer -> Associate Engineer -> Engineer -> Sr Engineer -> Manager -> Sr Manager -> Director (Head of R&D for my business)  It\u2019s all about PIE (Performance, Image, Exposure). Everyone knows about performance, but image and exposure are just as critical for rapid career advancement.  That journey took me about 9 years. Note that this is at a very large corporate company. I never ended-up getting an M.S. or MBA. MBA I am still considering.  Having a good mentor is critical as well.  Also need good management\/leadership that is willing to advance you.  Take advantage of opportunities to lead. Identify business needs, take ownership, lead, be accountable, and deliver results.  Once you get into people management, practice authentic leadership. Truly care about your team and employees. Help develop them. Motivate them. Give them all the tools to succeed. Encourage them to be open, honest, and transparent. Give them the exposure they need for their own rapid advancement. Be a servant leader.  Luck plays a factor as well. Everything mentioned above needs to line up.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":52061.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"al1qb1","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Engineers who went from entry-level technical role to an Executive level role, what was your career path like?","c_root_id_A":"efa7g38","c_root_id_B":"efamqn5","created_at_utc_A":1548786773,"created_at_utc_B":1548794911,"score_A":4,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"was technical advisor to my CTO for 6 months. he did BS MS PhD, started working in missile controls, worked his way up through manager, senior manager, director, VP, etc. all about hard work and knowing certain people and working on high profile projects and executing them well.","human_ref_B":"It's not a recipe.  Everyone of us got here through a different path, with different skills, challenges and risks.  And luck.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8138.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"mzppwx","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Any Engineers That Live Rural? What Type Of Jobs Do You Have? I am pursuing a Mechanical Engineering degree in Canada and currently live in a very rural area about 20 mina from a town. I hate cities and want to continue living the way I am once I move out in a few years.   I would like to get into ocean\/marine engineering but willing to look everywhere to be able to live rural.   Anyone out there with advice or comments?","c_root_id_A":"gw22whw","c_root_id_B":"gw22x0z","created_at_utc_A":1619535772,"created_at_utc_B":1619535779,"score_A":15,"score_B":100,"human_ref_A":"I am also Canadian and there used to be lots of jobs in Oil & Gas that would allow you to live in pretty rural areas as a field engineer","human_ref_B":"Plenty of manufacturing still in rural areas. One thing about rural jobs is they tend to pay low wages, unless the area is really undesirable","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7.0,"score_ratio":6.6666666667}
{"post_id":"mzppwx","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Any Engineers That Live Rural? What Type Of Jobs Do You Have? I am pursuing a Mechanical Engineering degree in Canada and currently live in a very rural area about 20 mina from a town. I hate cities and want to continue living the way I am once I move out in a few years.   I would like to get into ocean\/marine engineering but willing to look everywhere to be able to live rural.   Anyone out there with advice or comments?","c_root_id_A":"gw26x0b","c_root_id_B":"gw22whw","created_at_utc_A":1619537493,"created_at_utc_B":1619535772,"score_A":21,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"I would say to look for hotspots of manufacturing\/technology.    As an example, I live in Bozeman, Montana, and depending on your definition of rural, the total population of Montana recently exceed 1 million people.  Bozeman happens to be a photonics hotspot.  Each of these companies has a need for ME's.","human_ref_B":"I am also Canadian and there used to be lots of jobs in Oil & Gas that would allow you to live in pretty rural areas as a field engineer","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1721.0,"score_ratio":1.4}
{"post_id":"mzppwx","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Any Engineers That Live Rural? What Type Of Jobs Do You Have? I am pursuing a Mechanical Engineering degree in Canada and currently live in a very rural area about 20 mina from a town. I hate cities and want to continue living the way I am once I move out in a few years.   I would like to get into ocean\/marine engineering but willing to look everywhere to be able to live rural.   Anyone out there with advice or comments?","c_root_id_A":"gw26x0b","c_root_id_B":"gw26pkf","created_at_utc_A":1619537493,"created_at_utc_B":1619537405,"score_A":21,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"I would say to look for hotspots of manufacturing\/technology.    As an example, I live in Bozeman, Montana, and depending on your definition of rural, the total population of Montana recently exceed 1 million people.  Bozeman happens to be a photonics hotspot.  Each of these companies has a need for ME's.","human_ref_B":"I live in a town of 15k and I work in Pharmaceuticals.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":88.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"mzppwx","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Any Engineers That Live Rural? What Type Of Jobs Do You Have? I am pursuing a Mechanical Engineering degree in Canada and currently live in a very rural area about 20 mina from a town. I hate cities and want to continue living the way I am once I move out in a few years.   I would like to get into ocean\/marine engineering but willing to look everywhere to be able to live rural.   Anyone out there with advice or comments?","c_root_id_A":"gw26pkf","c_root_id_B":"gw2q4zb","created_at_utc_A":1619537405,"created_at_utc_B":1619545552,"score_A":7,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"I live in a town of 15k and I work in Pharmaceuticals.","human_ref_B":"I'm a chemical engineer by training and work a lot with Pharma, Personal Care, and Food companies.  They often have large facilities, with well-paid jobs in rural areas.  One big complaint I often hear is they find it hard to attract talent.    I've done a lot of business in Canada (Quebec and Ontario) and find this to be true there.  Add to it because of Canada's Greenbelt structure it's pretty easy to be \"out of the city\".  Areas like London, Brantford, Guelph, the outskirts of Montreal, or Ottawa you can quickly be in the woods.  Also, I know that the government of Canada has several programs to support rural communities with development, you might want to look into some of these development corporations as part of your search.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8147.0,"score_ratio":1.7142857143}
{"post_id":"mzppwx","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Any Engineers That Live Rural? What Type Of Jobs Do You Have? I am pursuing a Mechanical Engineering degree in Canada and currently live in a very rural area about 20 mina from a town. I hate cities and want to continue living the way I am once I move out in a few years.   I would like to get into ocean\/marine engineering but willing to look everywhere to be able to live rural.   Anyone out there with advice or comments?","c_root_id_A":"gw2q4zb","c_root_id_B":"gw2h8dk","created_at_utc_A":1619545552,"created_at_utc_B":1619541820,"score_A":12,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"I'm a chemical engineer by training and work a lot with Pharma, Personal Care, and Food companies.  They often have large facilities, with well-paid jobs in rural areas.  One big complaint I often hear is they find it hard to attract talent.    I've done a lot of business in Canada (Quebec and Ontario) and find this to be true there.  Add to it because of Canada's Greenbelt structure it's pretty easy to be \"out of the city\".  Areas like London, Brantford, Guelph, the outskirts of Montreal, or Ottawa you can quickly be in the woods.  Also, I know that the government of Canada has several programs to support rural communities with development, you might want to look into some of these development corporations as part of your search.","human_ref_B":"I don't know where you are in Canada, but if you can find a job in a small city in a more outlying area, there are great opportunities to live rural with a 20-30 minute commute.   For instance, about 30 minutes outside my city there was an 8 bedroom house for sale for less than 400k. My Brother in law purchased a house out here with 5-6 bedrooms (can't remember exactly) for less than 300k. He works remotely, I do most of my work remotely for now but I only live 8 minutes from the office so it's not a huge deal. Look for jobs in cities with populations of around or less than 100,000 people. Lots of times, employers in these cities have a hard time hiring new guys, because a lot of young recent grads want to live in the city and party. If you are willing to relocate and show that you'll put down some stakes, that could make you really valuable.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3732.0,"score_ratio":2.4}
{"post_id":"mzppwx","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Any Engineers That Live Rural? What Type Of Jobs Do You Have? I am pursuing a Mechanical Engineering degree in Canada and currently live in a very rural area about 20 mina from a town. I hate cities and want to continue living the way I am once I move out in a few years.   I would like to get into ocean\/marine engineering but willing to look everywhere to be able to live rural.   Anyone out there with advice or comments?","c_root_id_A":"gw2mi15","c_root_id_B":"gw2q4zb","created_at_utc_A":1619544028,"created_at_utc_B":1619545552,"score_A":3,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"I lived in the biggest city in a very very rural state. Paper mill, and equipment manufacturer. Also, waste water processing is another one! Altho city budgets are obviously leaner due to the nature of small cities\/towns.  There's also the possibility of working in food processing! Altho I think really big places tend to go for the biggest city in an underpopulated area so it may not truly be rural. I had a professor who worked for GE remotely, so remote setups that way are def possible too.","human_ref_B":"I'm a chemical engineer by training and work a lot with Pharma, Personal Care, and Food companies.  They often have large facilities, with well-paid jobs in rural areas.  One big complaint I often hear is they find it hard to attract talent.    I've done a lot of business in Canada (Quebec and Ontario) and find this to be true there.  Add to it because of Canada's Greenbelt structure it's pretty easy to be \"out of the city\".  Areas like London, Brantford, Guelph, the outskirts of Montreal, or Ottawa you can quickly be in the woods.  Also, I know that the government of Canada has several programs to support rural communities with development, you might want to look into some of these development corporations as part of your search.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1524.0,"score_ratio":4.0}
{"post_id":"mzppwx","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Any Engineers That Live Rural? What Type Of Jobs Do You Have? I am pursuing a Mechanical Engineering degree in Canada and currently live in a very rural area about 20 mina from a town. I hate cities and want to continue living the way I am once I move out in a few years.   I would like to get into ocean\/marine engineering but willing to look everywhere to be able to live rural.   Anyone out there with advice or comments?","c_root_id_A":"gw2q4zb","c_root_id_B":"gw2mn0f","created_at_utc_A":1619545552,"created_at_utc_B":1619544084,"score_A":12,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I'm a chemical engineer by training and work a lot with Pharma, Personal Care, and Food companies.  They often have large facilities, with well-paid jobs in rural areas.  One big complaint I often hear is they find it hard to attract talent.    I've done a lot of business in Canada (Quebec and Ontario) and find this to be true there.  Add to it because of Canada's Greenbelt structure it's pretty easy to be \"out of the city\".  Areas like London, Brantford, Guelph, the outskirts of Montreal, or Ottawa you can quickly be in the woods.  Also, I know that the government of Canada has several programs to support rural communities with development, you might want to look into some of these development corporations as part of your search.","human_ref_B":"Sorta rural here , or at least a more spread out suburbia with farms mixed in. Work industrial gases","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1468.0,"score_ratio":4.0}
{"post_id":"mzppwx","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Any Engineers That Live Rural? What Type Of Jobs Do You Have? I am pursuing a Mechanical Engineering degree in Canada and currently live in a very rural area about 20 mina from a town. I hate cities and want to continue living the way I am once I move out in a few years.   I would like to get into ocean\/marine engineering but willing to look everywhere to be able to live rural.   Anyone out there with advice or comments?","c_root_id_A":"gw2q4zb","c_root_id_B":"gw2mv3i","created_at_utc_A":1619545552,"created_at_utc_B":1619544176,"score_A":12,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I'm a chemical engineer by training and work a lot with Pharma, Personal Care, and Food companies.  They often have large facilities, with well-paid jobs in rural areas.  One big complaint I often hear is they find it hard to attract talent.    I've done a lot of business in Canada (Quebec and Ontario) and find this to be true there.  Add to it because of Canada's Greenbelt structure it's pretty easy to be \"out of the city\".  Areas like London, Brantford, Guelph, the outskirts of Montreal, or Ottawa you can quickly be in the woods.  Also, I know that the government of Canada has several programs to support rural communities with development, you might want to look into some of these development corporations as part of your search.","human_ref_B":"I work in a fairly rural area. It\u2019s a \u201ctown\u201d but definitely not a city. Plenty of places nearby that are at least 15 minutes from town and 30 from a city.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1376.0,"score_ratio":4.0}
{"post_id":"mzppwx","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Any Engineers That Live Rural? What Type Of Jobs Do You Have? I am pursuing a Mechanical Engineering degree in Canada and currently live in a very rural area about 20 mina from a town. I hate cities and want to continue living the way I am once I move out in a few years.   I would like to get into ocean\/marine engineering but willing to look everywhere to be able to live rural.   Anyone out there with advice or comments?","c_root_id_A":"gw2mi15","c_root_id_B":"gw2qtpq","created_at_utc_A":1619544028,"created_at_utc_B":1619545834,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"I lived in the biggest city in a very very rural state. Paper mill, and equipment manufacturer. Also, waste water processing is another one! Altho city budgets are obviously leaner due to the nature of small cities\/towns.  There's also the possibility of working in food processing! Altho I think really big places tend to go for the biggest city in an underpopulated area so it may not truly be rural. I had a professor who worked for GE remotely, so remote setups that way are def possible too.","human_ref_B":"I work for the US gov't. Since covid started I have worked remote... And my agency may make that permanent.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1806.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"mzppwx","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Any Engineers That Live Rural? What Type Of Jobs Do You Have? I am pursuing a Mechanical Engineering degree in Canada and currently live in a very rural area about 20 mina from a town. I hate cities and want to continue living the way I am once I move out in a few years.   I would like to get into ocean\/marine engineering but willing to look everywhere to be able to live rural.   Anyone out there with advice or comments?","c_root_id_A":"gw2qtpq","c_root_id_B":"gw2mn0f","created_at_utc_A":1619545834,"created_at_utc_B":1619544084,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I work for the US gov't. Since covid started I have worked remote... And my agency may make that permanent.","human_ref_B":"Sorta rural here , or at least a more spread out suburbia with farms mixed in. Work industrial gases","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1750.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"mzppwx","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Any Engineers That Live Rural? What Type Of Jobs Do You Have? I am pursuing a Mechanical Engineering degree in Canada and currently live in a very rural area about 20 mina from a town. I hate cities and want to continue living the way I am once I move out in a few years.   I would like to get into ocean\/marine engineering but willing to look everywhere to be able to live rural.   Anyone out there with advice or comments?","c_root_id_A":"gw2qtpq","c_root_id_B":"gw2mv3i","created_at_utc_A":1619545834,"created_at_utc_B":1619544176,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I work for the US gov't. Since covid started I have worked remote... And my agency may make that permanent.","human_ref_B":"I work in a fairly rural area. It\u2019s a \u201ctown\u201d but definitely not a city. Plenty of places nearby that are at least 15 minutes from town and 30 from a city.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1658.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"mzppwx","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Any Engineers That Live Rural? What Type Of Jobs Do You Have? I am pursuing a Mechanical Engineering degree in Canada and currently live in a very rural area about 20 mina from a town. I hate cities and want to continue living the way I am once I move out in a few years.   I would like to get into ocean\/marine engineering but willing to look everywhere to be able to live rural.   Anyone out there with advice or comments?","c_root_id_A":"gw45hsm","c_root_id_B":"gw2mi15","created_at_utc_A":1619568567,"created_at_utc_B":1619544028,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019m an embedded security engineer working for an autonomous car company. I work remotely, but admittedly live in a small city, although, I could just as easy be a recluse in the bush of rural Saskatchewan if choose to, granted I have solid broadband.  To work remote, you\u2019ll need at least few years of experience. Even if you\u2019re given the opportunity, you learn so much from the social aspect of an engineering office that I\u2019d initially refrain. Learn as much as you can in your first job(s), and only when you feel self-sufficient in your job, take a good opportunity to work remote. And after you get one remote role, you have all the leverage from your past merits to continue your career remotely at your leisure. Best of luck!","human_ref_B":"I lived in the biggest city in a very very rural state. Paper mill, and equipment manufacturer. Also, waste water processing is another one! Altho city budgets are obviously leaner due to the nature of small cities\/towns.  There's also the possibility of working in food processing! Altho I think really big places tend to go for the biggest city in an underpopulated area so it may not truly be rural. I had a professor who worked for GE remotely, so remote setups that way are def possible too.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":24539.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"mzppwx","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Any Engineers That Live Rural? What Type Of Jobs Do You Have? I am pursuing a Mechanical Engineering degree in Canada and currently live in a very rural area about 20 mina from a town. I hate cities and want to continue living the way I am once I move out in a few years.   I would like to get into ocean\/marine engineering but willing to look everywhere to be able to live rural.   Anyone out there with advice or comments?","c_root_id_A":"gw2mn0f","c_root_id_B":"gw45hsm","created_at_utc_A":1619544084,"created_at_utc_B":1619568567,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Sorta rural here , or at least a more spread out suburbia with farms mixed in. Work industrial gases","human_ref_B":"I\u2019m an embedded security engineer working for an autonomous car company. I work remotely, but admittedly live in a small city, although, I could just as easy be a recluse in the bush of rural Saskatchewan if choose to, granted I have solid broadband.  To work remote, you\u2019ll need at least few years of experience. Even if you\u2019re given the opportunity, you learn so much from the social aspect of an engineering office that I\u2019d initially refrain. Learn as much as you can in your first job(s), and only when you feel self-sufficient in your job, take a good opportunity to work remote. And after you get one remote role, you have all the leverage from your past merits to continue your career remotely at your leisure. Best of luck!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":24483.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"mzppwx","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Any Engineers That Live Rural? What Type Of Jobs Do You Have? I am pursuing a Mechanical Engineering degree in Canada and currently live in a very rural area about 20 mina from a town. I hate cities and want to continue living the way I am once I move out in a few years.   I would like to get into ocean\/marine engineering but willing to look everywhere to be able to live rural.   Anyone out there with advice or comments?","c_root_id_A":"gw2mv3i","c_root_id_B":"gw45hsm","created_at_utc_A":1619544176,"created_at_utc_B":1619568567,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I work in a fairly rural area. It\u2019s a \u201ctown\u201d but definitely not a city. Plenty of places nearby that are at least 15 minutes from town and 30 from a city.","human_ref_B":"I\u2019m an embedded security engineer working for an autonomous car company. I work remotely, but admittedly live in a small city, although, I could just as easy be a recluse in the bush of rural Saskatchewan if choose to, granted I have solid broadband.  To work remote, you\u2019ll need at least few years of experience. Even if you\u2019re given the opportunity, you learn so much from the social aspect of an engineering office that I\u2019d initially refrain. Learn as much as you can in your first job(s), and only when you feel self-sufficient in your job, take a good opportunity to work remote. And after you get one remote role, you have all the leverage from your past merits to continue your career remotely at your leisure. Best of luck!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":24391.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"mzppwx","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Any Engineers That Live Rural? What Type Of Jobs Do You Have? I am pursuing a Mechanical Engineering degree in Canada and currently live in a very rural area about 20 mina from a town. I hate cities and want to continue living the way I am once I move out in a few years.   I would like to get into ocean\/marine engineering but willing to look everywhere to be able to live rural.   Anyone out there with advice or comments?","c_root_id_A":"gw2zwda","c_root_id_B":"gw2tbys","created_at_utc_A":1619549658,"created_at_utc_B":1619546887,"score_A":5,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"You can easily find a rural company to work at but they\u2019d be manufacturing based and not ocean\/marine engineering. These types of companies are probably on the coast.","human_ref_B":"I live about a 20 minute drive from a small city of 45,000 or so. Live on 5 acres out in the country and really don\u2019t mind the commute at all. Gives me 20 mins to drink coffee and listen to the news on the way into work, and 20 mins to decompress on the drive home.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2771.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"mzppwx","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Any Engineers That Live Rural? What Type Of Jobs Do You Have? I am pursuing a Mechanical Engineering degree in Canada and currently live in a very rural area about 20 mina from a town. I hate cities and want to continue living the way I am once I move out in a few years.   I would like to get into ocean\/marine engineering but willing to look everywhere to be able to live rural.   Anyone out there with advice or comments?","c_root_id_A":"gw2tbys","c_root_id_B":"gw2mi15","created_at_utc_A":1619546887,"created_at_utc_B":1619544028,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I live about a 20 minute drive from a small city of 45,000 or so. Live on 5 acres out in the country and really don\u2019t mind the commute at all. Gives me 20 mins to drink coffee and listen to the news on the way into work, and 20 mins to decompress on the drive home.","human_ref_B":"I lived in the biggest city in a very very rural state. Paper mill, and equipment manufacturer. Also, waste water processing is another one! Altho city budgets are obviously leaner due to the nature of small cities\/towns.  There's also the possibility of working in food processing! Altho I think really big places tend to go for the biggest city in an underpopulated area so it may not truly be rural. I had a professor who worked for GE remotely, so remote setups that way are def possible too.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2859.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"mzppwx","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Any Engineers That Live Rural? What Type Of Jobs Do You Have? I am pursuing a Mechanical Engineering degree in Canada and currently live in a very rural area about 20 mina from a town. I hate cities and want to continue living the way I am once I move out in a few years.   I would like to get into ocean\/marine engineering but willing to look everywhere to be able to live rural.   Anyone out there with advice or comments?","c_root_id_A":"gw2tbys","c_root_id_B":"gw2mn0f","created_at_utc_A":1619546887,"created_at_utc_B":1619544084,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I live about a 20 minute drive from a small city of 45,000 or so. Live on 5 acres out in the country and really don\u2019t mind the commute at all. Gives me 20 mins to drink coffee and listen to the news on the way into work, and 20 mins to decompress on the drive home.","human_ref_B":"Sorta rural here , or at least a more spread out suburbia with farms mixed in. Work industrial gases","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2803.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"mzppwx","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Any Engineers That Live Rural? What Type Of Jobs Do You Have? I am pursuing a Mechanical Engineering degree in Canada and currently live in a very rural area about 20 mina from a town. I hate cities and want to continue living the way I am once I move out in a few years.   I would like to get into ocean\/marine engineering but willing to look everywhere to be able to live rural.   Anyone out there with advice or comments?","c_root_id_A":"gw2mv3i","c_root_id_B":"gw2tbys","created_at_utc_A":1619544176,"created_at_utc_B":1619546887,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I work in a fairly rural area. It\u2019s a \u201ctown\u201d but definitely not a city. Plenty of places nearby that are at least 15 minutes from town and 30 from a city.","human_ref_B":"I live about a 20 minute drive from a small city of 45,000 or so. Live on 5 acres out in the country and really don\u2019t mind the commute at all. Gives me 20 mins to drink coffee and listen to the news on the way into work, and 20 mins to decompress on the drive home.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2711.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"mzppwx","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Any Engineers That Live Rural? What Type Of Jobs Do You Have? I am pursuing a Mechanical Engineering degree in Canada and currently live in a very rural area about 20 mina from a town. I hate cities and want to continue living the way I am once I move out in a few years.   I would like to get into ocean\/marine engineering but willing to look everywhere to be able to live rural.   Anyone out there with advice or comments?","c_root_id_A":"gw2xuc0","c_root_id_B":"gw2zwda","created_at_utc_A":1619548787,"created_at_utc_B":1619549658,"score_A":4,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"I work in development at an automotive OEM and I live rurally, run a little hobby farm on the side. I commute about 35 minutes to work which is about the bare minimum drive to live rural and work in the city where I am","human_ref_B":"You can easily find a rural company to work at but they\u2019d be manufacturing based and not ocean\/marine engineering. These types of companies are probably on the coast.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":871.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"mzppwx","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Any Engineers That Live Rural? What Type Of Jobs Do You Have? I am pursuing a Mechanical Engineering degree in Canada and currently live in a very rural area about 20 mina from a town. I hate cities and want to continue living the way I am once I move out in a few years.   I would like to get into ocean\/marine engineering but willing to look everywhere to be able to live rural.   Anyone out there with advice or comments?","c_root_id_A":"gw2mi15","c_root_id_B":"gw2xuc0","created_at_utc_A":1619544028,"created_at_utc_B":1619548787,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I lived in the biggest city in a very very rural state. Paper mill, and equipment manufacturer. Also, waste water processing is another one! Altho city budgets are obviously leaner due to the nature of small cities\/towns.  There's also the possibility of working in food processing! Altho I think really big places tend to go for the biggest city in an underpopulated area so it may not truly be rural. I had a professor who worked for GE remotely, so remote setups that way are def possible too.","human_ref_B":"I work in development at an automotive OEM and I live rurally, run a little hobby farm on the side. I commute about 35 minutes to work which is about the bare minimum drive to live rural and work in the city where I am","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4759.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"mzppwx","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Any Engineers That Live Rural? What Type Of Jobs Do You Have? I am pursuing a Mechanical Engineering degree in Canada and currently live in a very rural area about 20 mina from a town. I hate cities and want to continue living the way I am once I move out in a few years.   I would like to get into ocean\/marine engineering but willing to look everywhere to be able to live rural.   Anyone out there with advice or comments?","c_root_id_A":"gw2xuc0","c_root_id_B":"gw2mn0f","created_at_utc_A":1619548787,"created_at_utc_B":1619544084,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I work in development at an automotive OEM and I live rurally, run a little hobby farm on the side. I commute about 35 minutes to work which is about the bare minimum drive to live rural and work in the city where I am","human_ref_B":"Sorta rural here , or at least a more spread out suburbia with farms mixed in. Work industrial gases","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4703.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"mzppwx","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Any Engineers That Live Rural? What Type Of Jobs Do You Have? I am pursuing a Mechanical Engineering degree in Canada and currently live in a very rural area about 20 mina from a town. I hate cities and want to continue living the way I am once I move out in a few years.   I would like to get into ocean\/marine engineering but willing to look everywhere to be able to live rural.   Anyone out there with advice or comments?","c_root_id_A":"gw2xuc0","c_root_id_B":"gw2mv3i","created_at_utc_A":1619548787,"created_at_utc_B":1619544176,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I work in development at an automotive OEM and I live rurally, run a little hobby farm on the side. I commute about 35 minutes to work which is about the bare minimum drive to live rural and work in the city where I am","human_ref_B":"I work in a fairly rural area. It\u2019s a \u201ctown\u201d but definitely not a city. Plenty of places nearby that are at least 15 minutes from town and 30 from a city.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4611.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"mzppwx","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Any Engineers That Live Rural? What Type Of Jobs Do You Have? I am pursuing a Mechanical Engineering degree in Canada and currently live in a very rural area about 20 mina from a town. I hate cities and want to continue living the way I am once I move out in a few years.   I would like to get into ocean\/marine engineering but willing to look everywhere to be able to live rural.   Anyone out there with advice or comments?","c_root_id_A":"gw2mi15","c_root_id_B":"gw2zwda","created_at_utc_A":1619544028,"created_at_utc_B":1619549658,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"I lived in the biggest city in a very very rural state. Paper mill, and equipment manufacturer. Also, waste water processing is another one! Altho city budgets are obviously leaner due to the nature of small cities\/towns.  There's also the possibility of working in food processing! Altho I think really big places tend to go for the biggest city in an underpopulated area so it may not truly be rural. I had a professor who worked for GE remotely, so remote setups that way are def possible too.","human_ref_B":"You can easily find a rural company to work at but they\u2019d be manufacturing based and not ocean\/marine engineering. These types of companies are probably on the coast.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5630.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"mzppwx","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Any Engineers That Live Rural? What Type Of Jobs Do You Have? I am pursuing a Mechanical Engineering degree in Canada and currently live in a very rural area about 20 mina from a town. I hate cities and want to continue living the way I am once I move out in a few years.   I would like to get into ocean\/marine engineering but willing to look everywhere to be able to live rural.   Anyone out there with advice or comments?","c_root_id_A":"gw2mn0f","c_root_id_B":"gw2zwda","created_at_utc_A":1619544084,"created_at_utc_B":1619549658,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Sorta rural here , or at least a more spread out suburbia with farms mixed in. Work industrial gases","human_ref_B":"You can easily find a rural company to work at but they\u2019d be manufacturing based and not ocean\/marine engineering. These types of companies are probably on the coast.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5574.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"mzppwx","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Any Engineers That Live Rural? What Type Of Jobs Do You Have? I am pursuing a Mechanical Engineering degree in Canada and currently live in a very rural area about 20 mina from a town. I hate cities and want to continue living the way I am once I move out in a few years.   I would like to get into ocean\/marine engineering but willing to look everywhere to be able to live rural.   Anyone out there with advice or comments?","c_root_id_A":"gw2mv3i","c_root_id_B":"gw2zwda","created_at_utc_A":1619544176,"created_at_utc_B":1619549658,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"I work in a fairly rural area. It\u2019s a \u201ctown\u201d but definitely not a city. Plenty of places nearby that are at least 15 minutes from town and 30 from a city.","human_ref_B":"You can easily find a rural company to work at but they\u2019d be manufacturing based and not ocean\/marine engineering. These types of companies are probably on the coast.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5482.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"mzppwx","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Any Engineers That Live Rural? What Type Of Jobs Do You Have? I am pursuing a Mechanical Engineering degree in Canada and currently live in a very rural area about 20 mina from a town. I hate cities and want to continue living the way I am once I move out in a few years.   I would like to get into ocean\/marine engineering but willing to look everywhere to be able to live rural.   Anyone out there with advice or comments?","c_root_id_A":"gw3f9c4","c_root_id_B":"gw2mi15","created_at_utc_A":1619556165,"created_at_utc_B":1619544028,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"If you were into getting a professional\/graduate degree in something agricultural, that might be a very good fit. UC Davis (my alma mater) has the most kickass agricultural engineering program\u2014where you can develop humidity testing bots, harvesting machines, and all sorts of cool valuable stuff. It\u2019s a whole secret industry I was delighted to get some exposure to.","human_ref_B":"I lived in the biggest city in a very very rural state. Paper mill, and equipment manufacturer. Also, waste water processing is another one! Altho city budgets are obviously leaner due to the nature of small cities\/towns.  There's also the possibility of working in food processing! Altho I think really big places tend to go for the biggest city in an underpopulated area so it may not truly be rural. I had a professor who worked for GE remotely, so remote setups that way are def possible too.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":12137.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"mzppwx","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Any Engineers That Live Rural? What Type Of Jobs Do You Have? I am pursuing a Mechanical Engineering degree in Canada and currently live in a very rural area about 20 mina from a town. I hate cities and want to continue living the way I am once I move out in a few years.   I would like to get into ocean\/marine engineering but willing to look everywhere to be able to live rural.   Anyone out there with advice or comments?","c_root_id_A":"gw3f9c4","c_root_id_B":"gw2mn0f","created_at_utc_A":1619556165,"created_at_utc_B":1619544084,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"If you were into getting a professional\/graduate degree in something agricultural, that might be a very good fit. UC Davis (my alma mater) has the most kickass agricultural engineering program\u2014where you can develop humidity testing bots, harvesting machines, and all sorts of cool valuable stuff. It\u2019s a whole secret industry I was delighted to get some exposure to.","human_ref_B":"Sorta rural here , or at least a more spread out suburbia with farms mixed in. Work industrial gases","labels":1,"seconds_difference":12081.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"mzppwx","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Any Engineers That Live Rural? What Type Of Jobs Do You Have? I am pursuing a Mechanical Engineering degree in Canada and currently live in a very rural area about 20 mina from a town. I hate cities and want to continue living the way I am once I move out in a few years.   I would like to get into ocean\/marine engineering but willing to look everywhere to be able to live rural.   Anyone out there with advice or comments?","c_root_id_A":"gw3f9c4","c_root_id_B":"gw2mv3i","created_at_utc_A":1619556165,"created_at_utc_B":1619544176,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"If you were into getting a professional\/graduate degree in something agricultural, that might be a very good fit. UC Davis (my alma mater) has the most kickass agricultural engineering program\u2014where you can develop humidity testing bots, harvesting machines, and all sorts of cool valuable stuff. It\u2019s a whole secret industry I was delighted to get some exposure to.","human_ref_B":"I work in a fairly rural area. It\u2019s a \u201ctown\u201d but definitely not a city. Plenty of places nearby that are at least 15 minutes from town and 30 from a city.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":11989.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"mzppwx","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Any Engineers That Live Rural? What Type Of Jobs Do You Have? I am pursuing a Mechanical Engineering degree in Canada and currently live in a very rural area about 20 mina from a town. I hate cities and want to continue living the way I am once I move out in a few years.   I would like to get into ocean\/marine engineering but willing to look everywhere to be able to live rural.   Anyone out there with advice or comments?","c_root_id_A":"gw2mi15","c_root_id_B":"gw3zy9m","created_at_utc_A":1619544028,"created_at_utc_B":1619565785,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I lived in the biggest city in a very very rural state. Paper mill, and equipment manufacturer. Also, waste water processing is another one! Altho city budgets are obviously leaner due to the nature of small cities\/towns.  There's also the possibility of working in food processing! Altho I think really big places tend to go for the biggest city in an underpopulated area so it may not truly be rural. I had a professor who worked for GE remotely, so remote setups that way are def possible too.","human_ref_B":"I live rural. Look into mining. If you don't mind northern Ontario, you can live outside of a town and get well paying work. I make ~75k as a new grad (class of 2020) with lots of growth opportunities.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":21757.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"mzppwx","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Any Engineers That Live Rural? What Type Of Jobs Do You Have? I am pursuing a Mechanical Engineering degree in Canada and currently live in a very rural area about 20 mina from a town. I hate cities and want to continue living the way I am once I move out in a few years.   I would like to get into ocean\/marine engineering but willing to look everywhere to be able to live rural.   Anyone out there with advice or comments?","c_root_id_A":"gw3zy9m","c_root_id_B":"gw2mn0f","created_at_utc_A":1619565785,"created_at_utc_B":1619544084,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I live rural. Look into mining. If you don't mind northern Ontario, you can live outside of a town and get well paying work. I make ~75k as a new grad (class of 2020) with lots of growth opportunities.","human_ref_B":"Sorta rural here , or at least a more spread out suburbia with farms mixed in. Work industrial gases","labels":1,"seconds_difference":21701.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"mzppwx","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Any Engineers That Live Rural? What Type Of Jobs Do You Have? I am pursuing a Mechanical Engineering degree in Canada and currently live in a very rural area about 20 mina from a town. I hate cities and want to continue living the way I am once I move out in a few years.   I would like to get into ocean\/marine engineering but willing to look everywhere to be able to live rural.   Anyone out there with advice or comments?","c_root_id_A":"gw3zy9m","c_root_id_B":"gw2mv3i","created_at_utc_A":1619565785,"created_at_utc_B":1619544176,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I live rural. Look into mining. If you don't mind northern Ontario, you can live outside of a town and get well paying work. I make ~75k as a new grad (class of 2020) with lots of growth opportunities.","human_ref_B":"I work in a fairly rural area. It\u2019s a \u201ctown\u201d but definitely not a city. Plenty of places nearby that are at least 15 minutes from town and 30 from a city.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":21609.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"rgo6ag","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"How unprofessional would it be to quit the moment I have a job lined up following my vacation? I hate my coworkers, i face sexual innuendos and grossness at work, if they give me the opportunity to get a signed offer letter, i have enough savings to just screw off in the interim period (a month or even three months or more max) but after 3 months i\u2019d get bored   Is it unprofessional to burn that bridge? I hate the company deeply","c_root_id_A":"holh38p","c_root_id_B":"holf2dd","created_at_utc_A":1639536615,"created_at_utc_B":1639535711,"score_A":123,"score_B":35,"human_ref_A":"Some bridges may be burned.  Just don\u2019t make a habit of it.  Just make sure you take your personal belongings home ahead of time.  Wipe the computer of your personality cookies and stuff.  Then adios muchachos","human_ref_B":"Would you ever want to work there again? What is your industry like? Do people talk? I'd it in a new location?  Just today, coworkers were chatting at happy hour how an offer was extended to the weakest candidate out of the pool of 3. Turns out he's from a competitor and another coworker immediately phones up someone at the competitor to get the inside scoop. It is really that easy to lose a job just on people talking.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":904.0,"score_ratio":3.5142857143}
{"post_id":"rgo6ag","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"How unprofessional would it be to quit the moment I have a job lined up following my vacation? I hate my coworkers, i face sexual innuendos and grossness at work, if they give me the opportunity to get a signed offer letter, i have enough savings to just screw off in the interim period (a month or even three months or more max) but after 3 months i\u2019d get bored   Is it unprofessional to burn that bridge? I hate the company deeply","c_root_id_A":"holf2dd","c_root_id_B":"holv4p8","created_at_utc_A":1639535711,"created_at_utc_B":1639543493,"score_A":35,"score_B":46,"human_ref_A":"Would you ever want to work there again? What is your industry like? Do people talk? I'd it in a new location?  Just today, coworkers were chatting at happy hour how an offer was extended to the weakest candidate out of the pool of 3. Turns out he's from a competitor and another coworker immediately phones up someone at the competitor to get the inside scoop. It is really that easy to lose a job just on people talking.","human_ref_B":"I went on vacation and while I was out of office, I finalized the details of my new job. Before I can even get my computer booted the day I came back, my boss went on another tirade about some bullshit, making threats and the like. I put my resignation letter on his desk (and HR\u2019s) about 15 minutes later.   My boss thought it was spontaneous and a direct response to his tirade. I did not see him until my last day.   If you really want to stir the pot, type up a resignation letter and instead of putting a date two weeks out,say,   \u201cThis letter is to notify you of my intent to leave XYZ Company. My resignation is effective immediately as I do not feel safe working here.\u201d   Take any company owned equipment and leave it with HR and walk out the door.   Don\u2019t even engage with your boss. HR will want an exit interview. Since you\u2019re burning the bridge, you might as well highlight the toxic work environment and all of the harassment you\u2019ve suffered before you leave.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7782.0,"score_ratio":1.3142857143}
{"post_id":"rgo6ag","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"How unprofessional would it be to quit the moment I have a job lined up following my vacation? I hate my coworkers, i face sexual innuendos and grossness at work, if they give me the opportunity to get a signed offer letter, i have enough savings to just screw off in the interim period (a month or even three months or more max) but after 3 months i\u2019d get bored   Is it unprofessional to burn that bridge? I hate the company deeply","c_root_id_A":"holv4p8","c_root_id_B":"holqsm6","created_at_utc_A":1639543493,"created_at_utc_B":1639541205,"score_A":46,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"I went on vacation and while I was out of office, I finalized the details of my new job. Before I can even get my computer booted the day I came back, my boss went on another tirade about some bullshit, making threats and the like. I put my resignation letter on his desk (and HR\u2019s) about 15 minutes later.   My boss thought it was spontaneous and a direct response to his tirade. I did not see him until my last day.   If you really want to stir the pot, type up a resignation letter and instead of putting a date two weeks out,say,   \u201cThis letter is to notify you of my intent to leave XYZ Company. My resignation is effective immediately as I do not feel safe working here.\u201d   Take any company owned equipment and leave it with HR and walk out the door.   Don\u2019t even engage with your boss. HR will want an exit interview. Since you\u2019re burning the bridge, you might as well highlight the toxic work environment and all of the harassment you\u2019ve suffered before you leave.","human_ref_B":"It doesn't sound like they deserve the courtesy of two weeks notice.   Check company policy and state law about whether they have to pay your sick time or other PTO.   Use up all your vacation time before you quit, if necessary.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2288.0,"score_ratio":2.7058823529}
{"post_id":"rgo6ag","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"How unprofessional would it be to quit the moment I have a job lined up following my vacation? I hate my coworkers, i face sexual innuendos and grossness at work, if they give me the opportunity to get a signed offer letter, i have enough savings to just screw off in the interim period (a month or even three months or more max) but after 3 months i\u2019d get bored   Is it unprofessional to burn that bridge? I hate the company deeply","c_root_id_A":"holnzkq","c_root_id_B":"holv4p8","created_at_utc_A":1639539822,"created_at_utc_B":1639543493,"score_A":9,"score_B":46,"human_ref_A":"You clearly hate it. Leave whenever convenient and give them hell","human_ref_B":"I went on vacation and while I was out of office, I finalized the details of my new job. Before I can even get my computer booted the day I came back, my boss went on another tirade about some bullshit, making threats and the like. I put my resignation letter on his desk (and HR\u2019s) about 15 minutes later.   My boss thought it was spontaneous and a direct response to his tirade. I did not see him until my last day.   If you really want to stir the pot, type up a resignation letter and instead of putting a date two weeks out,say,   \u201cThis letter is to notify you of my intent to leave XYZ Company. My resignation is effective immediately as I do not feel safe working here.\u201d   Take any company owned equipment and leave it with HR and walk out the door.   Don\u2019t even engage with your boss. HR will want an exit interview. Since you\u2019re burning the bridge, you might as well highlight the toxic work environment and all of the harassment you\u2019ve suffered before you leave.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3671.0,"score_ratio":5.1111111111}
{"post_id":"rgo6ag","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"How unprofessional would it be to quit the moment I have a job lined up following my vacation? I hate my coworkers, i face sexual innuendos and grossness at work, if they give me the opportunity to get a signed offer letter, i have enough savings to just screw off in the interim period (a month or even three months or more max) but after 3 months i\u2019d get bored   Is it unprofessional to burn that bridge? I hate the company deeply","c_root_id_A":"holv4p8","c_root_id_B":"holkjt4","created_at_utc_A":1639543493,"created_at_utc_B":1639538209,"score_A":46,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"I went on vacation and while I was out of office, I finalized the details of my new job. Before I can even get my computer booted the day I came back, my boss went on another tirade about some bullshit, making threats and the like. I put my resignation letter on his desk (and HR\u2019s) about 15 minutes later.   My boss thought it was spontaneous and a direct response to his tirade. I did not see him until my last day.   If you really want to stir the pot, type up a resignation letter and instead of putting a date two weeks out,say,   \u201cThis letter is to notify you of my intent to leave XYZ Company. My resignation is effective immediately as I do not feel safe working here.\u201d   Take any company owned equipment and leave it with HR and walk out the door.   Don\u2019t even engage with your boss. HR will want an exit interview. Since you\u2019re burning the bridge, you might as well highlight the toxic work environment and all of the harassment you\u2019ve suffered before you leave.","human_ref_B":"Not clear to me how you are burning your bridge. Are you saying you aren't going to give them two week notice?  I'm generally in favor of two weeks and leaving to \"explore new opportunities\" simply because it's the professional way to approach things.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5284.0,"score_ratio":7.6666666667}
{"post_id":"rgo6ag","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"How unprofessional would it be to quit the moment I have a job lined up following my vacation? I hate my coworkers, i face sexual innuendos and grossness at work, if they give me the opportunity to get a signed offer letter, i have enough savings to just screw off in the interim period (a month or even three months or more max) but after 3 months i\u2019d get bored   Is it unprofessional to burn that bridge? I hate the company deeply","c_root_id_A":"holv4p8","c_root_id_B":"holqhdb","created_at_utc_A":1639543493,"created_at_utc_B":1639541049,"score_A":46,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I went on vacation and while I was out of office, I finalized the details of my new job. Before I can even get my computer booted the day I came back, my boss went on another tirade about some bullshit, making threats and the like. I put my resignation letter on his desk (and HR\u2019s) about 15 minutes later.   My boss thought it was spontaneous and a direct response to his tirade. I did not see him until my last day.   If you really want to stir the pot, type up a resignation letter and instead of putting a date two weeks out,say,   \u201cThis letter is to notify you of my intent to leave XYZ Company. My resignation is effective immediately as I do not feel safe working here.\u201d   Take any company owned equipment and leave it with HR and walk out the door.   Don\u2019t even engage with your boss. HR will want an exit interview. Since you\u2019re burning the bridge, you might as well highlight the toxic work environment and all of the harassment you\u2019ve suffered before you leave.","human_ref_B":"Seeing as how you've been treated in a profoundly unprofessional way by your soon to be former coworkers, I'd say your within your rights to kick over the can of kerosene and toss the Zippo. Good luck on the new opportunities!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2444.0,"score_ratio":11.5}
{"post_id":"rgo6ag","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"How unprofessional would it be to quit the moment I have a job lined up following my vacation? I hate my coworkers, i face sexual innuendos and grossness at work, if they give me the opportunity to get a signed offer letter, i have enough savings to just screw off in the interim period (a month or even three months or more max) but after 3 months i\u2019d get bored   Is it unprofessional to burn that bridge? I hate the company deeply","c_root_id_A":"holnzkq","c_root_id_B":"holqsm6","created_at_utc_A":1639539822,"created_at_utc_B":1639541205,"score_A":9,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"You clearly hate it. Leave whenever convenient and give them hell","human_ref_B":"It doesn't sound like they deserve the courtesy of two weeks notice.   Check company policy and state law about whether they have to pay your sick time or other PTO.   Use up all your vacation time before you quit, if necessary.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1383.0,"score_ratio":1.8888888889}
{"post_id":"rgo6ag","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"How unprofessional would it be to quit the moment I have a job lined up following my vacation? I hate my coworkers, i face sexual innuendos and grossness at work, if they give me the opportunity to get a signed offer letter, i have enough savings to just screw off in the interim period (a month or even three months or more max) but after 3 months i\u2019d get bored   Is it unprofessional to burn that bridge? I hate the company deeply","c_root_id_A":"holqsm6","c_root_id_B":"holkjt4","created_at_utc_A":1639541205,"created_at_utc_B":1639538209,"score_A":17,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"It doesn't sound like they deserve the courtesy of two weeks notice.   Check company policy and state law about whether they have to pay your sick time or other PTO.   Use up all your vacation time before you quit, if necessary.","human_ref_B":"Not clear to me how you are burning your bridge. Are you saying you aren't going to give them two week notice?  I'm generally in favor of two weeks and leaving to \"explore new opportunities\" simply because it's the professional way to approach things.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2996.0,"score_ratio":2.8333333333}
{"post_id":"rgo6ag","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"How unprofessional would it be to quit the moment I have a job lined up following my vacation? I hate my coworkers, i face sexual innuendos and grossness at work, if they give me the opportunity to get a signed offer letter, i have enough savings to just screw off in the interim period (a month or even three months or more max) but after 3 months i\u2019d get bored   Is it unprofessional to burn that bridge? I hate the company deeply","c_root_id_A":"holqhdb","c_root_id_B":"holqsm6","created_at_utc_A":1639541049,"created_at_utc_B":1639541205,"score_A":4,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"Seeing as how you've been treated in a profoundly unprofessional way by your soon to be former coworkers, I'd say your within your rights to kick over the can of kerosene and toss the Zippo. Good luck on the new opportunities!","human_ref_B":"It doesn't sound like they deserve the courtesy of two weeks notice.   Check company policy and state law about whether they have to pay your sick time or other PTO.   Use up all your vacation time before you quit, if necessary.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":156.0,"score_ratio":4.25}
{"post_id":"rgo6ag","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"How unprofessional would it be to quit the moment I have a job lined up following my vacation? I hate my coworkers, i face sexual innuendos and grossness at work, if they give me the opportunity to get a signed offer letter, i have enough savings to just screw off in the interim period (a month or even three months or more max) but after 3 months i\u2019d get bored   Is it unprofessional to burn that bridge? I hate the company deeply","c_root_id_A":"holnzkq","c_root_id_B":"hom61xo","created_at_utc_A":1639539822,"created_at_utc_B":1639549987,"score_A":9,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"You clearly hate it. Leave whenever convenient and give them hell","human_ref_B":"Yes, just please leave. I was in the same situation. My previous job was really toxic. I quit and fortunately had enough saved up for a 3 month hiatus. Life is too short to overthink it. If you\u2019re not happy with your current job and they treat you like shit, just leave. You don\u2019t owe anyone anything.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10165.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"rgo6ag","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"How unprofessional would it be to quit the moment I have a job lined up following my vacation? I hate my coworkers, i face sexual innuendos and grossness at work, if they give me the opportunity to get a signed offer letter, i have enough savings to just screw off in the interim period (a month or even three months or more max) but after 3 months i\u2019d get bored   Is it unprofessional to burn that bridge? I hate the company deeply","c_root_id_A":"hom61xo","c_root_id_B":"holvclj","created_at_utc_A":1639549987,"created_at_utc_B":1639543613,"score_A":15,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"Yes, just please leave. I was in the same situation. My previous job was really toxic. I quit and fortunately had enough saved up for a 3 month hiatus. Life is too short to overthink it. If you\u2019re not happy with your current job and they treat you like shit, just leave. You don\u2019t owe anyone anything.","human_ref_B":"Im just on this sub for interesting engineering stuff, but i quit a shitty job at a screen printing place after i came back from vacation cuz i losing my mind and took the time to use my GI Bill and sign up for school. I came back  on a payday and while the boss was at the clock, handing checks out to everybody i told him in front of everybody that this was my 1 week notice. he started to say something under his breath and when i asked him to repeat it he didnt respond. it was a really good feeling. you already have a job lined up, you should be good","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6374.0,"score_ratio":1.875}
{"post_id":"rgo6ag","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"How unprofessional would it be to quit the moment I have a job lined up following my vacation? I hate my coworkers, i face sexual innuendos and grossness at work, if they give me the opportunity to get a signed offer letter, i have enough savings to just screw off in the interim period (a month or even three months or more max) but after 3 months i\u2019d get bored   Is it unprofessional to burn that bridge? I hate the company deeply","c_root_id_A":"hom61xo","c_root_id_B":"holkjt4","created_at_utc_A":1639549987,"created_at_utc_B":1639538209,"score_A":15,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Yes, just please leave. I was in the same situation. My previous job was really toxic. I quit and fortunately had enough saved up for a 3 month hiatus. Life is too short to overthink it. If you\u2019re not happy with your current job and they treat you like shit, just leave. You don\u2019t owe anyone anything.","human_ref_B":"Not clear to me how you are burning your bridge. Are you saying you aren't going to give them two week notice?  I'm generally in favor of two weeks and leaving to \"explore new opportunities\" simply because it's the professional way to approach things.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":11778.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"rgo6ag","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"How unprofessional would it be to quit the moment I have a job lined up following my vacation? I hate my coworkers, i face sexual innuendos and grossness at work, if they give me the opportunity to get a signed offer letter, i have enough savings to just screw off in the interim period (a month or even three months or more max) but after 3 months i\u2019d get bored   Is it unprofessional to burn that bridge? I hate the company deeply","c_root_id_A":"holqhdb","c_root_id_B":"hom61xo","created_at_utc_A":1639541049,"created_at_utc_B":1639549987,"score_A":4,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"Seeing as how you've been treated in a profoundly unprofessional way by your soon to be former coworkers, I'd say your within your rights to kick over the can of kerosene and toss the Zippo. Good luck on the new opportunities!","human_ref_B":"Yes, just please leave. I was in the same situation. My previous job was really toxic. I quit and fortunately had enough saved up for a 3 month hiatus. Life is too short to overthink it. If you\u2019re not happy with your current job and they treat you like shit, just leave. You don\u2019t owe anyone anything.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8938.0,"score_ratio":3.75}
{"post_id":"rgo6ag","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"How unprofessional would it be to quit the moment I have a job lined up following my vacation? I hate my coworkers, i face sexual innuendos and grossness at work, if they give me the opportunity to get a signed offer letter, i have enough savings to just screw off in the interim period (a month or even three months or more max) but after 3 months i\u2019d get bored   Is it unprofessional to burn that bridge? I hate the company deeply","c_root_id_A":"hom61xo","c_root_id_B":"hom4sa8","created_at_utc_A":1639549987,"created_at_utc_B":1639549150,"score_A":15,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Yes, just please leave. I was in the same situation. My previous job was really toxic. I quit and fortunately had enough saved up for a 3 month hiatus. Life is too short to overthink it. If you\u2019re not happy with your current job and they treat you like shit, just leave. You don\u2019t owe anyone anything.","human_ref_B":"You owe your company nothing.  You can quit on the spot just as easy as they can fire you on the spot.  You don't even need a reason or anything.  You can just stop showing up if you want.  There's no real consequences to any action you take.  Also, I'm sorry your coworkers are terrible.  Ideally your boss should be standing up for you and dealing with this garbage, but my guess is said boss is probably also one of them.  This could go up another level or more if you feel like it, but at some point the effort isn't worth it if you're already leaving.  The only reason you or anyone leaves a company amicably is to use that company later on as a reference.  Otherwise a lot of states are right to work states, and you can leave or be fired in an instant for any reason or no reason at all.  Yay!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":837.0,"score_ratio":5.0}
{"post_id":"rgo6ag","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"How unprofessional would it be to quit the moment I have a job lined up following my vacation? I hate my coworkers, i face sexual innuendos and grossness at work, if they give me the opportunity to get a signed offer letter, i have enough savings to just screw off in the interim period (a month or even three months or more max) but after 3 months i\u2019d get bored   Is it unprofessional to burn that bridge? I hate the company deeply","c_root_id_A":"holkjt4","c_root_id_B":"holnzkq","created_at_utc_A":1639538209,"created_at_utc_B":1639539822,"score_A":6,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Not clear to me how you are burning your bridge. Are you saying you aren't going to give them two week notice?  I'm generally in favor of two weeks and leaving to \"explore new opportunities\" simply because it's the professional way to approach things.","human_ref_B":"You clearly hate it. Leave whenever convenient and give them hell","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1613.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"rgo6ag","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"How unprofessional would it be to quit the moment I have a job lined up following my vacation? I hate my coworkers, i face sexual innuendos and grossness at work, if they give me the opportunity to get a signed offer letter, i have enough savings to just screw off in the interim period (a month or even three months or more max) but after 3 months i\u2019d get bored   Is it unprofessional to burn that bridge? I hate the company deeply","c_root_id_A":"holvclj","c_root_id_B":"hompmur","created_at_utc_A":1639543613,"created_at_utc_B":1639565634,"score_A":8,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Im just on this sub for interesting engineering stuff, but i quit a shitty job at a screen printing place after i came back from vacation cuz i losing my mind and took the time to use my GI Bill and sign up for school. I came back  on a payday and while the boss was at the clock, handing checks out to everybody i told him in front of everybody that this was my 1 week notice. he started to say something under his breath and when i asked him to repeat it he didnt respond. it was a really good feeling. you already have a job lined up, you should be good","human_ref_B":"Your relationship isn't with the company, it is with the people. If any of those relationships are worth saving, you could take steps to preserve them. If they aren't worth saving, you really don't have much to lose.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":22021.0,"score_ratio":1.125}
{"post_id":"rgo6ag","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"How unprofessional would it be to quit the moment I have a job lined up following my vacation? I hate my coworkers, i face sexual innuendos and grossness at work, if they give me the opportunity to get a signed offer letter, i have enough savings to just screw off in the interim period (a month or even three months or more max) but after 3 months i\u2019d get bored   Is it unprofessional to burn that bridge? I hate the company deeply","c_root_id_A":"hompmur","c_root_id_B":"holkjt4","created_at_utc_A":1639565634,"created_at_utc_B":1639538209,"score_A":9,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Your relationship isn't with the company, it is with the people. If any of those relationships are worth saving, you could take steps to preserve them. If they aren't worth saving, you really don't have much to lose.","human_ref_B":"Not clear to me how you are burning your bridge. Are you saying you aren't going to give them two week notice?  I'm generally in favor of two weeks and leaving to \"explore new opportunities\" simply because it's the professional way to approach things.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":27425.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"rgo6ag","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"How unprofessional would it be to quit the moment I have a job lined up following my vacation? I hate my coworkers, i face sexual innuendos and grossness at work, if they give me the opportunity to get a signed offer letter, i have enough savings to just screw off in the interim period (a month or even three months or more max) but after 3 months i\u2019d get bored   Is it unprofessional to burn that bridge? I hate the company deeply","c_root_id_A":"holqhdb","c_root_id_B":"hompmur","created_at_utc_A":1639541049,"created_at_utc_B":1639565634,"score_A":4,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Seeing as how you've been treated in a profoundly unprofessional way by your soon to be former coworkers, I'd say your within your rights to kick over the can of kerosene and toss the Zippo. Good luck on the new opportunities!","human_ref_B":"Your relationship isn't with the company, it is with the people. If any of those relationships are worth saving, you could take steps to preserve them. If they aren't worth saving, you really don't have much to lose.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":24585.0,"score_ratio":2.25}
{"post_id":"rgo6ag","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"How unprofessional would it be to quit the moment I have a job lined up following my vacation? I hate my coworkers, i face sexual innuendos and grossness at work, if they give me the opportunity to get a signed offer letter, i have enough savings to just screw off in the interim period (a month or even three months or more max) but after 3 months i\u2019d get bored   Is it unprofessional to burn that bridge? I hate the company deeply","c_root_id_A":"hom4sa8","c_root_id_B":"hompmur","created_at_utc_A":1639549150,"created_at_utc_B":1639565634,"score_A":3,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"You owe your company nothing.  You can quit on the spot just as easy as they can fire you on the spot.  You don't even need a reason or anything.  You can just stop showing up if you want.  There's no real consequences to any action you take.  Also, I'm sorry your coworkers are terrible.  Ideally your boss should be standing up for you and dealing with this garbage, but my guess is said boss is probably also one of them.  This could go up another level or more if you feel like it, but at some point the effort isn't worth it if you're already leaving.  The only reason you or anyone leaves a company amicably is to use that company later on as a reference.  Otherwise a lot of states are right to work states, and you can leave or be fired in an instant for any reason or no reason at all.  Yay!","human_ref_B":"Your relationship isn't with the company, it is with the people. If any of those relationships are worth saving, you could take steps to preserve them. If they aren't worth saving, you really don't have much to lose.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":16484.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"rgo6ag","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"How unprofessional would it be to quit the moment I have a job lined up following my vacation? I hate my coworkers, i face sexual innuendos and grossness at work, if they give me the opportunity to get a signed offer letter, i have enough savings to just screw off in the interim period (a month or even three months or more max) but after 3 months i\u2019d get bored   Is it unprofessional to burn that bridge? I hate the company deeply","c_root_id_A":"homa7bq","c_root_id_B":"hompmur","created_at_utc_A":1639552926,"created_at_utc_B":1639565634,"score_A":3,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"11","human_ref_B":"Your relationship isn't with the company, it is with the people. If any of those relationships are worth saving, you could take steps to preserve them. If they aren't worth saving, you really don't have much to lose.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":12708.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"rgo6ag","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"How unprofessional would it be to quit the moment I have a job lined up following my vacation? I hate my coworkers, i face sexual innuendos and grossness at work, if they give me the opportunity to get a signed offer letter, i have enough savings to just screw off in the interim period (a month or even three months or more max) but after 3 months i\u2019d get bored   Is it unprofessional to burn that bridge? I hate the company deeply","c_root_id_A":"holvclj","c_root_id_B":"holkjt4","created_at_utc_A":1639543613,"created_at_utc_B":1639538209,"score_A":8,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Im just on this sub for interesting engineering stuff, but i quit a shitty job at a screen printing place after i came back from vacation cuz i losing my mind and took the time to use my GI Bill and sign up for school. I came back  on a payday and while the boss was at the clock, handing checks out to everybody i told him in front of everybody that this was my 1 week notice. he started to say something under his breath and when i asked him to repeat it he didnt respond. it was a really good feeling. you already have a job lined up, you should be good","human_ref_B":"Not clear to me how you are burning your bridge. Are you saying you aren't going to give them two week notice?  I'm generally in favor of two weeks and leaving to \"explore new opportunities\" simply because it's the professional way to approach things.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5404.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"rgo6ag","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"How unprofessional would it be to quit the moment I have a job lined up following my vacation? I hate my coworkers, i face sexual innuendos and grossness at work, if they give me the opportunity to get a signed offer letter, i have enough savings to just screw off in the interim period (a month or even three months or more max) but after 3 months i\u2019d get bored   Is it unprofessional to burn that bridge? I hate the company deeply","c_root_id_A":"holvclj","c_root_id_B":"holqhdb","created_at_utc_A":1639543613,"created_at_utc_B":1639541049,"score_A":8,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Im just on this sub for interesting engineering stuff, but i quit a shitty job at a screen printing place after i came back from vacation cuz i losing my mind and took the time to use my GI Bill and sign up for school. I came back  on a payday and while the boss was at the clock, handing checks out to everybody i told him in front of everybody that this was my 1 week notice. he started to say something under his breath and when i asked him to repeat it he didnt respond. it was a really good feeling. you already have a job lined up, you should be good","human_ref_B":"Seeing as how you've been treated in a profoundly unprofessional way by your soon to be former coworkers, I'd say your within your rights to kick over the can of kerosene and toss the Zippo. Good luck on the new opportunities!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2564.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"rgo6ag","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"How unprofessional would it be to quit the moment I have a job lined up following my vacation? I hate my coworkers, i face sexual innuendos and grossness at work, if they give me the opportunity to get a signed offer letter, i have enough savings to just screw off in the interim period (a month or even three months or more max) but after 3 months i\u2019d get bored   Is it unprofessional to burn that bridge? I hate the company deeply","c_root_id_A":"holkjt4","c_root_id_B":"homwqyo","created_at_utc_A":1639538209,"created_at_utc_B":1639570767,"score_A":6,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Not clear to me how you are burning your bridge. Are you saying you aren't going to give them two week notice?  I'm generally in favor of two weeks and leaving to \"explore new opportunities\" simply because it's the professional way to approach things.","human_ref_B":"Also , whenever two weeks are mentioned I like to point out that you need to be prepared for them to walk you out that day to never return. Happened to me; and I was in good report with my management and coworkers.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":32558.0,"score_ratio":1.1666666667}
{"post_id":"rgo6ag","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"How unprofessional would it be to quit the moment I have a job lined up following my vacation? I hate my coworkers, i face sexual innuendos and grossness at work, if they give me the opportunity to get a signed offer letter, i have enough savings to just screw off in the interim period (a month or even three months or more max) but after 3 months i\u2019d get bored   Is it unprofessional to burn that bridge? I hate the company deeply","c_root_id_A":"homwqyo","c_root_id_B":"holqhdb","created_at_utc_A":1639570767,"created_at_utc_B":1639541049,"score_A":7,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Also , whenever two weeks are mentioned I like to point out that you need to be prepared for them to walk you out that day to never return. Happened to me; and I was in good report with my management and coworkers.","human_ref_B":"Seeing as how you've been treated in a profoundly unprofessional way by your soon to be former coworkers, I'd say your within your rights to kick over the can of kerosene and toss the Zippo. Good luck on the new opportunities!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":29718.0,"score_ratio":1.75}
{"post_id":"rgo6ag","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"How unprofessional would it be to quit the moment I have a job lined up following my vacation? I hate my coworkers, i face sexual innuendos and grossness at work, if they give me the opportunity to get a signed offer letter, i have enough savings to just screw off in the interim period (a month or even three months or more max) but after 3 months i\u2019d get bored   Is it unprofessional to burn that bridge? I hate the company deeply","c_root_id_A":"hom4sa8","c_root_id_B":"homwqyo","created_at_utc_A":1639549150,"created_at_utc_B":1639570767,"score_A":3,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"You owe your company nothing.  You can quit on the spot just as easy as they can fire you on the spot.  You don't even need a reason or anything.  You can just stop showing up if you want.  There's no real consequences to any action you take.  Also, I'm sorry your coworkers are terrible.  Ideally your boss should be standing up for you and dealing with this garbage, but my guess is said boss is probably also one of them.  This could go up another level or more if you feel like it, but at some point the effort isn't worth it if you're already leaving.  The only reason you or anyone leaves a company amicably is to use that company later on as a reference.  Otherwise a lot of states are right to work states, and you can leave or be fired in an instant for any reason or no reason at all.  Yay!","human_ref_B":"Also , whenever two weeks are mentioned I like to point out that you need to be prepared for them to walk you out that day to never return. Happened to me; and I was in good report with my management and coworkers.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":21617.0,"score_ratio":2.3333333333}
{"post_id":"rgo6ag","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"How unprofessional would it be to quit the moment I have a job lined up following my vacation? I hate my coworkers, i face sexual innuendos and grossness at work, if they give me the opportunity to get a signed offer letter, i have enough savings to just screw off in the interim period (a month or even three months or more max) but after 3 months i\u2019d get bored   Is it unprofessional to burn that bridge? I hate the company deeply","c_root_id_A":"homa7bq","c_root_id_B":"homwqyo","created_at_utc_A":1639552926,"created_at_utc_B":1639570767,"score_A":3,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"11","human_ref_B":"Also , whenever two weeks are mentioned I like to point out that you need to be prepared for them to walk you out that day to never return. Happened to me; and I was in good report with my management and coworkers.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":17841.0,"score_ratio":2.3333333333}
{"post_id":"rgo6ag","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"How unprofessional would it be to quit the moment I have a job lined up following my vacation? I hate my coworkers, i face sexual innuendos and grossness at work, if they give me the opportunity to get a signed offer letter, i have enough savings to just screw off in the interim period (a month or even three months or more max) but after 3 months i\u2019d get bored   Is it unprofessional to burn that bridge? I hate the company deeply","c_root_id_A":"homwqyo","c_root_id_B":"homstp1","created_at_utc_A":1639570767,"created_at_utc_B":1639568094,"score_A":7,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Also , whenever two weeks are mentioned I like to point out that you need to be prepared for them to walk you out that day to never return. Happened to me; and I was in good report with my management and coworkers.","human_ref_B":"If you were a boss, and one of your employees were sexually harassing others, would you give them two weeks notice before firing them?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2673.0,"score_ratio":2.3333333333}
{"post_id":"rgo6ag","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"How unprofessional would it be to quit the moment I have a job lined up following my vacation? I hate my coworkers, i face sexual innuendos and grossness at work, if they give me the opportunity to get a signed offer letter, i have enough savings to just screw off in the interim period (a month or even three months or more max) but after 3 months i\u2019d get bored   Is it unprofessional to burn that bridge? I hate the company deeply","c_root_id_A":"holqhdb","c_root_id_B":"hon7cv9","created_at_utc_A":1639541049,"created_at_utc_B":1639576626,"score_A":4,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Seeing as how you've been treated in a profoundly unprofessional way by your soon to be former coworkers, I'd say your within your rights to kick over the can of kerosene and toss the Zippo. Good luck on the new opportunities!","human_ref_B":"Unprofessional? Maybe...  Does it matter? Also no.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":35577.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"rgo6ag","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"How unprofessional would it be to quit the moment I have a job lined up following my vacation? I hate my coworkers, i face sexual innuendos and grossness at work, if they give me the opportunity to get a signed offer letter, i have enough savings to just screw off in the interim period (a month or even three months or more max) but after 3 months i\u2019d get bored   Is it unprofessional to burn that bridge? I hate the company deeply","c_root_id_A":"hom4sa8","c_root_id_B":"hon7cv9","created_at_utc_A":1639549150,"created_at_utc_B":1639576626,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"You owe your company nothing.  You can quit on the spot just as easy as they can fire you on the spot.  You don't even need a reason or anything.  You can just stop showing up if you want.  There's no real consequences to any action you take.  Also, I'm sorry your coworkers are terrible.  Ideally your boss should be standing up for you and dealing with this garbage, but my guess is said boss is probably also one of them.  This could go up another level or more if you feel like it, but at some point the effort isn't worth it if you're already leaving.  The only reason you or anyone leaves a company amicably is to use that company later on as a reference.  Otherwise a lot of states are right to work states, and you can leave or be fired in an instant for any reason or no reason at all.  Yay!","human_ref_B":"Unprofessional? Maybe...  Does it matter? Also no.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":27476.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"rgo6ag","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"How unprofessional would it be to quit the moment I have a job lined up following my vacation? I hate my coworkers, i face sexual innuendos and grossness at work, if they give me the opportunity to get a signed offer letter, i have enough savings to just screw off in the interim period (a month or even three months or more max) but after 3 months i\u2019d get bored   Is it unprofessional to burn that bridge? I hate the company deeply","c_root_id_A":"homa7bq","c_root_id_B":"hon7cv9","created_at_utc_A":1639552926,"created_at_utc_B":1639576626,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"11","human_ref_B":"Unprofessional? Maybe...  Does it matter? Also no.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":23700.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"rgo6ag","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"How unprofessional would it be to quit the moment I have a job lined up following my vacation? I hate my coworkers, i face sexual innuendos and grossness at work, if they give me the opportunity to get a signed offer letter, i have enough savings to just screw off in the interim period (a month or even three months or more max) but after 3 months i\u2019d get bored   Is it unprofessional to burn that bridge? I hate the company deeply","c_root_id_A":"homstp1","c_root_id_B":"hon7cv9","created_at_utc_A":1639568094,"created_at_utc_B":1639576626,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"If you were a boss, and one of your employees were sexually harassing others, would you give them two weeks notice before firing them?","human_ref_B":"Unprofessional? Maybe...  Does it matter? Also no.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8532.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"rgo6ag","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"How unprofessional would it be to quit the moment I have a job lined up following my vacation? I hate my coworkers, i face sexual innuendos and grossness at work, if they give me the opportunity to get a signed offer letter, i have enough savings to just screw off in the interim period (a month or even three months or more max) but after 3 months i\u2019d get bored   Is it unprofessional to burn that bridge? I hate the company deeply","c_root_id_A":"hon0yu2","c_root_id_B":"holqhdb","created_at_utc_A":1639573293,"created_at_utc_B":1639541049,"score_A":5,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Burn it, baby. These chances rarely come by...","human_ref_B":"Seeing as how you've been treated in a profoundly unprofessional way by your soon to be former coworkers, I'd say your within your rights to kick over the can of kerosene and toss the Zippo. Good luck on the new opportunities!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":32244.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"rgo6ag","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"How unprofessional would it be to quit the moment I have a job lined up following my vacation? I hate my coworkers, i face sexual innuendos and grossness at work, if they give me the opportunity to get a signed offer letter, i have enough savings to just screw off in the interim period (a month or even three months or more max) but after 3 months i\u2019d get bored   Is it unprofessional to burn that bridge? I hate the company deeply","c_root_id_A":"holqhdb","c_root_id_B":"hoob67u","created_at_utc_A":1639541049,"created_at_utc_B":1639592836,"score_A":4,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Seeing as how you've been treated in a profoundly unprofessional way by your soon to be former coworkers, I'd say your within your rights to kick over the can of kerosene and toss the Zippo. Good luck on the new opportunities!","human_ref_B":"Company doesn\u2019t give a single f about you. So do not care about company feelings.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":51787.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"rgo6ag","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"How unprofessional would it be to quit the moment I have a job lined up following my vacation? I hate my coworkers, i face sexual innuendos and grossness at work, if they give me the opportunity to get a signed offer letter, i have enough savings to just screw off in the interim period (a month or even three months or more max) but after 3 months i\u2019d get bored   Is it unprofessional to burn that bridge? I hate the company deeply","c_root_id_A":"hon0yu2","c_root_id_B":"hom4sa8","created_at_utc_A":1639573293,"created_at_utc_B":1639549150,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Burn it, baby. These chances rarely come by...","human_ref_B":"You owe your company nothing.  You can quit on the spot just as easy as they can fire you on the spot.  You don't even need a reason or anything.  You can just stop showing up if you want.  There's no real consequences to any action you take.  Also, I'm sorry your coworkers are terrible.  Ideally your boss should be standing up for you and dealing with this garbage, but my guess is said boss is probably also one of them.  This could go up another level or more if you feel like it, but at some point the effort isn't worth it if you're already leaving.  The only reason you or anyone leaves a company amicably is to use that company later on as a reference.  Otherwise a lot of states are right to work states, and you can leave or be fired in an instant for any reason or no reason at all.  Yay!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":24143.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"rgo6ag","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"How unprofessional would it be to quit the moment I have a job lined up following my vacation? I hate my coworkers, i face sexual innuendos and grossness at work, if they give me the opportunity to get a signed offer letter, i have enough savings to just screw off in the interim period (a month or even three months or more max) but after 3 months i\u2019d get bored   Is it unprofessional to burn that bridge? I hate the company deeply","c_root_id_A":"hon0yu2","c_root_id_B":"homa7bq","created_at_utc_A":1639573293,"created_at_utc_B":1639552926,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Burn it, baby. These chances rarely come by...","human_ref_B":"11","labels":1,"seconds_difference":20367.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"rgo6ag","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"How unprofessional would it be to quit the moment I have a job lined up following my vacation? I hate my coworkers, i face sexual innuendos and grossness at work, if they give me the opportunity to get a signed offer letter, i have enough savings to just screw off in the interim period (a month or even three months or more max) but after 3 months i\u2019d get bored   Is it unprofessional to burn that bridge? I hate the company deeply","c_root_id_A":"hon0yu2","c_root_id_B":"homstp1","created_at_utc_A":1639573293,"created_at_utc_B":1639568094,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Burn it, baby. These chances rarely come by...","human_ref_B":"If you were a boss, and one of your employees were sexually harassing others, would you give them two weeks notice before firing them?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5199.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"rgo6ag","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"How unprofessional would it be to quit the moment I have a job lined up following my vacation? I hate my coworkers, i face sexual innuendos and grossness at work, if they give me the opportunity to get a signed offer letter, i have enough savings to just screw off in the interim period (a month or even three months or more max) but after 3 months i\u2019d get bored   Is it unprofessional to burn that bridge? I hate the company deeply","c_root_id_A":"hom4sa8","c_root_id_B":"hoob67u","created_at_utc_A":1639549150,"created_at_utc_B":1639592836,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"You owe your company nothing.  You can quit on the spot just as easy as they can fire you on the spot.  You don't even need a reason or anything.  You can just stop showing up if you want.  There's no real consequences to any action you take.  Also, I'm sorry your coworkers are terrible.  Ideally your boss should be standing up for you and dealing with this garbage, but my guess is said boss is probably also one of them.  This could go up another level or more if you feel like it, but at some point the effort isn't worth it if you're already leaving.  The only reason you or anyone leaves a company amicably is to use that company later on as a reference.  Otherwise a lot of states are right to work states, and you can leave or be fired in an instant for any reason or no reason at all.  Yay!","human_ref_B":"Company doesn\u2019t give a single f about you. So do not care about company feelings.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":43686.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"rgo6ag","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"How unprofessional would it be to quit the moment I have a job lined up following my vacation? I hate my coworkers, i face sexual innuendos and grossness at work, if they give me the opportunity to get a signed offer letter, i have enough savings to just screw off in the interim period (a month or even three months or more max) but after 3 months i\u2019d get bored   Is it unprofessional to burn that bridge? I hate the company deeply","c_root_id_A":"homa7bq","c_root_id_B":"hoob67u","created_at_utc_A":1639552926,"created_at_utc_B":1639592836,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"11","human_ref_B":"Company doesn\u2019t give a single f about you. So do not care about company feelings.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":39910.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"rgo6ag","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"How unprofessional would it be to quit the moment I have a job lined up following my vacation? I hate my coworkers, i face sexual innuendos and grossness at work, if they give me the opportunity to get a signed offer letter, i have enough savings to just screw off in the interim period (a month or even three months or more max) but after 3 months i\u2019d get bored   Is it unprofessional to burn that bridge? I hate the company deeply","c_root_id_A":"hoob67u","c_root_id_B":"homstp1","created_at_utc_A":1639592836,"created_at_utc_B":1639568094,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Company doesn\u2019t give a single f about you. So do not care about company feelings.","human_ref_B":"If you were a boss, and one of your employees were sexually harassing others, would you give them two weeks notice before firing them?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":24742.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"rnev9v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Taking vacation after not being given a raise? Here's the situation.   I'm an engineer who inherited an upside project when the former leads left the company a year ago.  I'm now doing work\/using skills that are far above my pay grade (and have been for a while including working OT).   I'm planning on asking for a significant raise at the start of the year to bring my pay up to what I feel like it should be at.  I'm skeptical that the company is going to want to give me the raise.  If they don't I'm planning on taking my 7 weeks of vacation that I have saved ( which means we will miss the contract dates ) so that I can apply for new jobs (I'm in a super in demand field and can pick up a new job in a month easy).  Does anyone find this unethical?","c_root_id_A":"hps2g7w","c_root_id_B":"hpry2uh","created_at_utc_A":1640325868,"created_at_utc_B":1640323208,"score_A":430,"score_B":196,"human_ref_A":"Not to be Debbie Downer, but at the places I\u2019ve worked, vacation requests are subject to supervisor approval.  Generally, I haven\u2019t seen a situation where a supervisor has approved a large block of vacation for someone during a time where a project has critical milestones coming due.  My advice:  get another job, provide notice, and get paid for the vacation days.","human_ref_B":"Why would it be unethical to take vacation that you earned? Go for it.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2660.0,"score_ratio":2.193877551}
{"post_id":"rnev9v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Taking vacation after not being given a raise? Here's the situation.   I'm an engineer who inherited an upside project when the former leads left the company a year ago.  I'm now doing work\/using skills that are far above my pay grade (and have been for a while including working OT).   I'm planning on asking for a significant raise at the start of the year to bring my pay up to what I feel like it should be at.  I'm skeptical that the company is going to want to give me the raise.  If they don't I'm planning on taking my 7 weeks of vacation that I have saved ( which means we will miss the contract dates ) so that I can apply for new jobs (I'm in a super in demand field and can pick up a new job in a month easy).  Does anyone find this unethical?","c_root_id_A":"hps2g7w","c_root_id_B":"hps1tn0","created_at_utc_A":1640325868,"created_at_utc_B":1640325470,"score_A":430,"score_B":35,"human_ref_A":"Not to be Debbie Downer, but at the places I\u2019ve worked, vacation requests are subject to supervisor approval.  Generally, I haven\u2019t seen a situation where a supervisor has approved a large block of vacation for someone during a time where a project has critical milestones coming due.  My advice:  get another job, provide notice, and get paid for the vacation days.","human_ref_B":"Quitting like that burns the bridge. You\u2019re entitled to compensation for your vacation time. I\u2019d start looking now and quit with a surplus of vacation time. They\u2019ll pay you out that time right as you start a new job, so it\u2019s like you\u2019ll get that money as a bonus. That\u2019s what I did when I left my last company. I could\u2019ve ridden out 1 month of per diem too but chose not to","labels":1,"seconds_difference":398.0,"score_ratio":12.2857142857}
{"post_id":"rnev9v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Taking vacation after not being given a raise? Here's the situation.   I'm an engineer who inherited an upside project when the former leads left the company a year ago.  I'm now doing work\/using skills that are far above my pay grade (and have been for a while including working OT).   I'm planning on asking for a significant raise at the start of the year to bring my pay up to what I feel like it should be at.  I'm skeptical that the company is going to want to give me the raise.  If they don't I'm planning on taking my 7 weeks of vacation that I have saved ( which means we will miss the contract dates ) so that I can apply for new jobs (I'm in a super in demand field and can pick up a new job in a month easy).  Does anyone find this unethical?","c_root_id_A":"hpry55l","c_root_id_B":"hps2g7w","created_at_utc_A":1640323245,"created_at_utc_B":1640325868,"score_A":15,"score_B":430,"human_ref_A":"Absolutely nothing unethical about it.  You earned the vacation and they've (presumably) made it clear that they don't value you.  As such... Hey, there's no reason for you to value them.  Cash in your chips (vacation) and walk if that's an easy thing to do.","human_ref_B":"Not to be Debbie Downer, but at the places I\u2019ve worked, vacation requests are subject to supervisor approval.  Generally, I haven\u2019t seen a situation where a supervisor has approved a large block of vacation for someone during a time where a project has critical milestones coming due.  My advice:  get another job, provide notice, and get paid for the vacation days.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2623.0,"score_ratio":28.6666666667}
{"post_id":"rnev9v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Taking vacation after not being given a raise? Here's the situation.   I'm an engineer who inherited an upside project when the former leads left the company a year ago.  I'm now doing work\/using skills that are far above my pay grade (and have been for a while including working OT).   I'm planning on asking for a significant raise at the start of the year to bring my pay up to what I feel like it should be at.  I'm skeptical that the company is going to want to give me the raise.  If they don't I'm planning on taking my 7 weeks of vacation that I have saved ( which means we will miss the contract dates ) so that I can apply for new jobs (I'm in a super in demand field and can pick up a new job in a month easy).  Does anyone find this unethical?","c_root_id_A":"hps8cpa","c_root_id_B":"hps4huc","created_at_utc_A":1640329970,"created_at_utc_B":1640327200,"score_A":93,"score_B":42,"human_ref_A":"I have a feeling they won't approve 7 straight weeks off. 1 or 2 weeks at a time here are usually fine, but after that you're talking about rebalancing projects and moving people around.","human_ref_B":"If you live in a state where they have to pay out Vacation, just quit. Or tell them you're planning on quitting when you get back. This at least doesn't put your manager out of an employee for 3 months.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2770.0,"score_ratio":2.2142857143}
{"post_id":"rnev9v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Taking vacation after not being given a raise? Here's the situation.   I'm an engineer who inherited an upside project when the former leads left the company a year ago.  I'm now doing work\/using skills that are far above my pay grade (and have been for a while including working OT).   I'm planning on asking for a significant raise at the start of the year to bring my pay up to what I feel like it should be at.  I'm skeptical that the company is going to want to give me the raise.  If they don't I'm planning on taking my 7 weeks of vacation that I have saved ( which means we will miss the contract dates ) so that I can apply for new jobs (I'm in a super in demand field and can pick up a new job in a month easy).  Does anyone find this unethical?","c_root_id_A":"hps1tn0","c_root_id_B":"hps8cpa","created_at_utc_A":1640325470,"created_at_utc_B":1640329970,"score_A":35,"score_B":93,"human_ref_A":"Quitting like that burns the bridge. You\u2019re entitled to compensation for your vacation time. I\u2019d start looking now and quit with a surplus of vacation time. They\u2019ll pay you out that time right as you start a new job, so it\u2019s like you\u2019ll get that money as a bonus. That\u2019s what I did when I left my last company. I could\u2019ve ridden out 1 month of per diem too but chose not to","human_ref_B":"I have a feeling they won't approve 7 straight weeks off. 1 or 2 weeks at a time here are usually fine, but after that you're talking about rebalancing projects and moving people around.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4500.0,"score_ratio":2.6571428571}
{"post_id":"rnev9v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Taking vacation after not being given a raise? Here's the situation.   I'm an engineer who inherited an upside project when the former leads left the company a year ago.  I'm now doing work\/using skills that are far above my pay grade (and have been for a while including working OT).   I'm planning on asking for a significant raise at the start of the year to bring my pay up to what I feel like it should be at.  I'm skeptical that the company is going to want to give me the raise.  If they don't I'm planning on taking my 7 weeks of vacation that I have saved ( which means we will miss the contract dates ) so that I can apply for new jobs (I'm in a super in demand field and can pick up a new job in a month easy).  Does anyone find this unethical?","c_root_id_A":"hps5kts","c_root_id_B":"hps8cpa","created_at_utc_A":1640327937,"created_at_utc_B":1640329970,"score_A":20,"score_B":93,"human_ref_A":"I would just quit and have the vacation paid out. Then your manager isn\u2019t expecting you to come back.","human_ref_B":"I have a feeling they won't approve 7 straight weeks off. 1 or 2 weeks at a time here are usually fine, but after that you're talking about rebalancing projects and moving people around.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2033.0,"score_ratio":4.65}
{"post_id":"rnev9v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Taking vacation after not being given a raise? Here's the situation.   I'm an engineer who inherited an upside project when the former leads left the company a year ago.  I'm now doing work\/using skills that are far above my pay grade (and have been for a while including working OT).   I'm planning on asking for a significant raise at the start of the year to bring my pay up to what I feel like it should be at.  I'm skeptical that the company is going to want to give me the raise.  If they don't I'm planning on taking my 7 weeks of vacation that I have saved ( which means we will miss the contract dates ) so that I can apply for new jobs (I'm in a super in demand field and can pick up a new job in a month easy).  Does anyone find this unethical?","c_root_id_A":"hpry55l","c_root_id_B":"hps8cpa","created_at_utc_A":1640323245,"created_at_utc_B":1640329970,"score_A":15,"score_B":93,"human_ref_A":"Absolutely nothing unethical about it.  You earned the vacation and they've (presumably) made it clear that they don't value you.  As such... Hey, there's no reason for you to value them.  Cash in your chips (vacation) and walk if that's an easy thing to do.","human_ref_B":"I have a feeling they won't approve 7 straight weeks off. 1 or 2 weeks at a time here are usually fine, but after that you're talking about rebalancing projects and moving people around.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6725.0,"score_ratio":6.2}
{"post_id":"rnev9v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Taking vacation after not being given a raise? Here's the situation.   I'm an engineer who inherited an upside project when the former leads left the company a year ago.  I'm now doing work\/using skills that are far above my pay grade (and have been for a while including working OT).   I'm planning on asking for a significant raise at the start of the year to bring my pay up to what I feel like it should be at.  I'm skeptical that the company is going to want to give me the raise.  If they don't I'm planning on taking my 7 weeks of vacation that I have saved ( which means we will miss the contract dates ) so that I can apply for new jobs (I'm in a super in demand field and can pick up a new job in a month easy).  Does anyone find this unethical?","c_root_id_A":"hps4huc","c_root_id_B":"hps1tn0","created_at_utc_A":1640327200,"created_at_utc_B":1640325470,"score_A":42,"score_B":35,"human_ref_A":"If you live in a state where they have to pay out Vacation, just quit. Or tell them you're planning on quitting when you get back. This at least doesn't put your manager out of an employee for 3 months.","human_ref_B":"Quitting like that burns the bridge. You\u2019re entitled to compensation for your vacation time. I\u2019d start looking now and quit with a surplus of vacation time. They\u2019ll pay you out that time right as you start a new job, so it\u2019s like you\u2019ll get that money as a bonus. That\u2019s what I did when I left my last company. I could\u2019ve ridden out 1 month of per diem too but chose not to","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1730.0,"score_ratio":1.2}
{"post_id":"rnev9v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Taking vacation after not being given a raise? Here's the situation.   I'm an engineer who inherited an upside project when the former leads left the company a year ago.  I'm now doing work\/using skills that are far above my pay grade (and have been for a while including working OT).   I'm planning on asking for a significant raise at the start of the year to bring my pay up to what I feel like it should be at.  I'm skeptical that the company is going to want to give me the raise.  If they don't I'm planning on taking my 7 weeks of vacation that I have saved ( which means we will miss the contract dates ) so that I can apply for new jobs (I'm in a super in demand field and can pick up a new job in a month easy).  Does anyone find this unethical?","c_root_id_A":"hpry55l","c_root_id_B":"hps4huc","created_at_utc_A":1640323245,"created_at_utc_B":1640327200,"score_A":15,"score_B":42,"human_ref_A":"Absolutely nothing unethical about it.  You earned the vacation and they've (presumably) made it clear that they don't value you.  As such... Hey, there's no reason for you to value them.  Cash in your chips (vacation) and walk if that's an easy thing to do.","human_ref_B":"If you live in a state where they have to pay out Vacation, just quit. Or tell them you're planning on quitting when you get back. This at least doesn't put your manager out of an employee for 3 months.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3955.0,"score_ratio":2.8}
{"post_id":"rnev9v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Taking vacation after not being given a raise? Here's the situation.   I'm an engineer who inherited an upside project when the former leads left the company a year ago.  I'm now doing work\/using skills that are far above my pay grade (and have been for a while including working OT).   I'm planning on asking for a significant raise at the start of the year to bring my pay up to what I feel like it should be at.  I'm skeptical that the company is going to want to give me the raise.  If they don't I'm planning on taking my 7 weeks of vacation that I have saved ( which means we will miss the contract dates ) so that I can apply for new jobs (I'm in a super in demand field and can pick up a new job in a month easy).  Does anyone find this unethical?","c_root_id_A":"hps1tn0","c_root_id_B":"hpry55l","created_at_utc_A":1640325470,"created_at_utc_B":1640323245,"score_A":35,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"Quitting like that burns the bridge. You\u2019re entitled to compensation for your vacation time. I\u2019d start looking now and quit with a surplus of vacation time. They\u2019ll pay you out that time right as you start a new job, so it\u2019s like you\u2019ll get that money as a bonus. That\u2019s what I did when I left my last company. I could\u2019ve ridden out 1 month of per diem too but chose not to","human_ref_B":"Absolutely nothing unethical about it.  You earned the vacation and they've (presumably) made it clear that they don't value you.  As such... Hey, there's no reason for you to value them.  Cash in your chips (vacation) and walk if that's an easy thing to do.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2225.0,"score_ratio":2.3333333333}
{"post_id":"rnev9v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Taking vacation after not being given a raise? Here's the situation.   I'm an engineer who inherited an upside project when the former leads left the company a year ago.  I'm now doing work\/using skills that are far above my pay grade (and have been for a while including working OT).   I'm planning on asking for a significant raise at the start of the year to bring my pay up to what I feel like it should be at.  I'm skeptical that the company is going to want to give me the raise.  If they don't I'm planning on taking my 7 weeks of vacation that I have saved ( which means we will miss the contract dates ) so that I can apply for new jobs (I'm in a super in demand field and can pick up a new job in a month easy).  Does anyone find this unethical?","c_root_id_A":"hps5kts","c_root_id_B":"hpswdl2","created_at_utc_A":1640327937,"created_at_utc_B":1640349560,"score_A":20,"score_B":27,"human_ref_A":"I would just quit and have the vacation paid out. Then your manager isn\u2019t expecting you to come back.","human_ref_B":"That\u2019s a terrible plan.   Who will be your reference for the next job? The Manager won\u2019t approve the leave, and you will be abandoning your job. And you are sticking the middle finger to everyone else on your team who has also worked OT for a project they care about.   Putting an ultimatum like that on your manager is a great way to piss people off.   I have seen plenty of people quit because \u201cthe grass is greener\u201d, and end up sitting on the couch for 6 months cause they don\u2019t have a job.  Just get another job offer first, then go back to your manager and be like \u201chere is what the market thinks I am worth, here is what I am on now. I don\u2019t want to leave but I find it hard to pass this up.\u201d Be prepared to actually leave though.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":21623.0,"score_ratio":1.35}
{"post_id":"rnev9v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Taking vacation after not being given a raise? Here's the situation.   I'm an engineer who inherited an upside project when the former leads left the company a year ago.  I'm now doing work\/using skills that are far above my pay grade (and have been for a while including working OT).   I'm planning on asking for a significant raise at the start of the year to bring my pay up to what I feel like it should be at.  I'm skeptical that the company is going to want to give me the raise.  If they don't I'm planning on taking my 7 weeks of vacation that I have saved ( which means we will miss the contract dates ) so that I can apply for new jobs (I'm in a super in demand field and can pick up a new job in a month easy).  Does anyone find this unethical?","c_root_id_A":"hpswdl2","c_root_id_B":"hpry55l","created_at_utc_A":1640349560,"created_at_utc_B":1640323245,"score_A":27,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"That\u2019s a terrible plan.   Who will be your reference for the next job? The Manager won\u2019t approve the leave, and you will be abandoning your job. And you are sticking the middle finger to everyone else on your team who has also worked OT for a project they care about.   Putting an ultimatum like that on your manager is a great way to piss people off.   I have seen plenty of people quit because \u201cthe grass is greener\u201d, and end up sitting on the couch for 6 months cause they don\u2019t have a job.  Just get another job offer first, then go back to your manager and be like \u201chere is what the market thinks I am worth, here is what I am on now. I don\u2019t want to leave but I find it hard to pass this up.\u201d Be prepared to actually leave though.","human_ref_B":"Absolutely nothing unethical about it.  You earned the vacation and they've (presumably) made it clear that they don't value you.  As such... Hey, there's no reason for you to value them.  Cash in your chips (vacation) and walk if that's an easy thing to do.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":26315.0,"score_ratio":1.8}
{"post_id":"rnev9v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Taking vacation after not being given a raise? Here's the situation.   I'm an engineer who inherited an upside project when the former leads left the company a year ago.  I'm now doing work\/using skills that are far above my pay grade (and have been for a while including working OT).   I'm planning on asking for a significant raise at the start of the year to bring my pay up to what I feel like it should be at.  I'm skeptical that the company is going to want to give me the raise.  If they don't I'm planning on taking my 7 weeks of vacation that I have saved ( which means we will miss the contract dates ) so that I can apply for new jobs (I'm in a super in demand field and can pick up a new job in a month easy).  Does anyone find this unethical?","c_root_id_A":"hpswdl2","c_root_id_B":"hpsjkhe","created_at_utc_A":1640349560,"created_at_utc_B":1640339056,"score_A":27,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"That\u2019s a terrible plan.   Who will be your reference for the next job? The Manager won\u2019t approve the leave, and you will be abandoning your job. And you are sticking the middle finger to everyone else on your team who has also worked OT for a project they care about.   Putting an ultimatum like that on your manager is a great way to piss people off.   I have seen plenty of people quit because \u201cthe grass is greener\u201d, and end up sitting on the couch for 6 months cause they don\u2019t have a job.  Just get another job offer first, then go back to your manager and be like \u201chere is what the market thinks I am worth, here is what I am on now. I don\u2019t want to leave but I find it hard to pass this up.\u201d Be prepared to actually leave though.","human_ref_B":"Not unethical.  I find it odd that you think that you'll be successful in just saying you will take 7 weeks vacation without a discussion though. There has to be some sort of approval, can't imagine a company is remotely successful letting employees randomly disappear without some sort of heads up.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10504.0,"score_ratio":3.375}
{"post_id":"rnev9v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Taking vacation after not being given a raise? Here's the situation.   I'm an engineer who inherited an upside project when the former leads left the company a year ago.  I'm now doing work\/using skills that are far above my pay grade (and have been for a while including working OT).   I'm planning on asking for a significant raise at the start of the year to bring my pay up to what I feel like it should be at.  I'm skeptical that the company is going to want to give me the raise.  If they don't I'm planning on taking my 7 weeks of vacation that I have saved ( which means we will miss the contract dates ) so that I can apply for new jobs (I'm in a super in demand field and can pick up a new job in a month easy).  Does anyone find this unethical?","c_root_id_A":"hps5kts","c_root_id_B":"hpry55l","created_at_utc_A":1640327937,"created_at_utc_B":1640323245,"score_A":20,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"I would just quit and have the vacation paid out. Then your manager isn\u2019t expecting you to come back.","human_ref_B":"Absolutely nothing unethical about it.  You earned the vacation and they've (presumably) made it clear that they don't value you.  As such... Hey, there's no reason for you to value them.  Cash in your chips (vacation) and walk if that's an easy thing to do.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4692.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"rnev9v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Taking vacation after not being given a raise? Here's the situation.   I'm an engineer who inherited an upside project when the former leads left the company a year ago.  I'm now doing work\/using skills that are far above my pay grade (and have been for a while including working OT).   I'm planning on asking for a significant raise at the start of the year to bring my pay up to what I feel like it should be at.  I'm skeptical that the company is going to want to give me the raise.  If they don't I'm planning on taking my 7 weeks of vacation that I have saved ( which means we will miss the contract dates ) so that I can apply for new jobs (I'm in a super in demand field and can pick up a new job in a month easy).  Does anyone find this unethical?","c_root_id_A":"hpt0yzs","c_root_id_B":"hptm7qd","created_at_utc_A":1640352560,"created_at_utc_B":1640363458,"score_A":9,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"Not a problem at all. But let\u2019s face it, if a signature is required for you to take the 7 weeks, you will not get it approved if it affects the schedule.    A better plan is to present a plan to your management. You need to give them a chance to have the proper budget in place, if you request a raise now or \u201celse\u201d, if the budget is not in place two things can happen: one, they say no and you leave or two, you get it and the other guys that were getting raises will not because you tipped the scales and threatened to leave. You\u2019ll be the life of the party.   But seriously, it will be much more effective if you help them plan it.","human_ref_B":"This is the equivalent of telegraphing a punch in a fight with a seasoned boxer, they're gonna see it coming a mile away.   I highly recommend you take a more tactful approach.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10898.0,"score_ratio":1.5555555556}
{"post_id":"rnev9v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Taking vacation after not being given a raise? Here's the situation.   I'm an engineer who inherited an upside project when the former leads left the company a year ago.  I'm now doing work\/using skills that are far above my pay grade (and have been for a while including working OT).   I'm planning on asking for a significant raise at the start of the year to bring my pay up to what I feel like it should be at.  I'm skeptical that the company is going to want to give me the raise.  If they don't I'm planning on taking my 7 weeks of vacation that I have saved ( which means we will miss the contract dates ) so that I can apply for new jobs (I'm in a super in demand field and can pick up a new job in a month easy).  Does anyone find this unethical?","c_root_id_A":"hpsjkhe","c_root_id_B":"hptm7qd","created_at_utc_A":1640339056,"created_at_utc_B":1640363458,"score_A":8,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"Not unethical.  I find it odd that you think that you'll be successful in just saying you will take 7 weeks vacation without a discussion though. There has to be some sort of approval, can't imagine a company is remotely successful letting employees randomly disappear without some sort of heads up.","human_ref_B":"This is the equivalent of telegraphing a punch in a fight with a seasoned boxer, they're gonna see it coming a mile away.   I highly recommend you take a more tactful approach.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":24402.0,"score_ratio":1.75}
{"post_id":"rnev9v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Taking vacation after not being given a raise? Here's the situation.   I'm an engineer who inherited an upside project when the former leads left the company a year ago.  I'm now doing work\/using skills that are far above my pay grade (and have been for a while including working OT).   I'm planning on asking for a significant raise at the start of the year to bring my pay up to what I feel like it should be at.  I'm skeptical that the company is going to want to give me the raise.  If they don't I'm planning on taking my 7 weeks of vacation that I have saved ( which means we will miss the contract dates ) so that I can apply for new jobs (I'm in a super in demand field and can pick up a new job in a month easy).  Does anyone find this unethical?","c_root_id_A":"hpt9fkc","c_root_id_B":"hptm7qd","created_at_utc_A":1640357267,"created_at_utc_B":1640363458,"score_A":6,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"This is absolutely ethical, and totally within your agreed upon compensation.  unpopular opinion: As many pointed out, it does burn a bridge.  If you can afford to do that, I think more people should.  It discourages horrible practices within companies and makes them stronger and better for all that remain in the long term.    I had a coworker in a similarish situation that rage quit on a dime, and totally screwed up a multi million $ project.  Since than, almost all programs have 2 engineers responsible for it.  It\u2019s improved quality, flexibility, and also makes each engineers job a little more interesting (diversity of tasks).  It\u2019s a little harder to manage everything, but the trade off seems worth it.  I say teach those bastards a lesson and maybe they will learn from it.","human_ref_B":"This is the equivalent of telegraphing a punch in a fight with a seasoned boxer, they're gonna see it coming a mile away.   I highly recommend you take a more tactful approach.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6191.0,"score_ratio":2.3333333333}
{"post_id":"rnev9v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Taking vacation after not being given a raise? Here's the situation.   I'm an engineer who inherited an upside project when the former leads left the company a year ago.  I'm now doing work\/using skills that are far above my pay grade (and have been for a while including working OT).   I'm planning on asking for a significant raise at the start of the year to bring my pay up to what I feel like it should be at.  I'm skeptical that the company is going to want to give me the raise.  If they don't I'm planning on taking my 7 weeks of vacation that I have saved ( which means we will miss the contract dates ) so that I can apply for new jobs (I'm in a super in demand field and can pick up a new job in a month easy).  Does anyone find this unethical?","c_root_id_A":"hptm7qd","c_root_id_B":"hpta5la","created_at_utc_A":1640363458,"created_at_utc_B":1640357641,"score_A":14,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"This is the equivalent of telegraphing a punch in a fight with a seasoned boxer, they're gonna see it coming a mile away.   I highly recommend you take a more tactful approach.","human_ref_B":">I'm planning on asking for a significant raise at the start of the year to bring my pay up to what I feel like it should be at.  Well you aren't really 'planning' are you?    Here's the thing about advocating for a raise, and why people get behind.  *You should always be advocating.*  When I was in a position in my career where I got annual reviews at the end of each review I would immediately ask \"How do I get \\[promotion\/raise\\] for next year?\".  Your goal is to know what the requirements are and have them filled before your manager has to even think about it.  Advocating for yourself should be a 365 day a year thing.  One minute after your promotion you should ask, \"What do I need to do to get to the next one?\".  Then you should have regular development meetings with your boss to see how he feels you are meeting those objectives.  Then you should ask for all the support and resources you can get to meet them.  I've left jobs and positions a few times in my career, and threatened an internal move once.  By the point I left it was no surprise to anyone and each of my bosses was cordial and understanding.  \"I can't say as I blame you\".  So no you aren't planning on asking for a raise.  Because you should have been laying the ground work already.  Think of it like any large complicated engineering project.  You don't just cram for it all night and hope it works out?  You lay the ground work, do research, test systems, and then wrap it up to completion.  Engineer it like any other problem.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5817.0,"score_ratio":7.0}
{"post_id":"rnev9v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Taking vacation after not being given a raise? Here's the situation.   I'm an engineer who inherited an upside project when the former leads left the company a year ago.  I'm now doing work\/using skills that are far above my pay grade (and have been for a while including working OT).   I'm planning on asking for a significant raise at the start of the year to bring my pay up to what I feel like it should be at.  I'm skeptical that the company is going to want to give me the raise.  If they don't I'm planning on taking my 7 weeks of vacation that I have saved ( which means we will miss the contract dates ) so that I can apply for new jobs (I'm in a super in demand field and can pick up a new job in a month easy).  Does anyone find this unethical?","c_root_id_A":"hpteqa0","c_root_id_B":"hptm7qd","created_at_utc_A":1640359925,"created_at_utc_B":1640363458,"score_A":2,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"Missing contractual deadlines is a bad move, in my opinion.    It sounds like you have some resentment built up for feeling overworked with regards to your compensation, and that's fine it seems like you may very well be right to feel that. But to retaliate in this manner....I think you'll regret it.  Justify your raise in a quantitative manner.  Aim high, they're going to counter.    If\/when they don't provide what you feel is a fair compensation, then request a a week or two off (after your project obligations are met) and if the opportunity arises state that it's to think about your future at the company.  This gives everyone a chance to take a step back and consider options in varying emotional states.  Like \"post nut clarity\", but for work.  If after your vacation you still feel like you aren't appreciated, move on.","human_ref_B":"This is the equivalent of telegraphing a punch in a fight with a seasoned boxer, they're gonna see it coming a mile away.   I highly recommend you take a more tactful approach.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3533.0,"score_ratio":7.0}
{"post_id":"rnev9v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Taking vacation after not being given a raise? Here's the situation.   I'm an engineer who inherited an upside project when the former leads left the company a year ago.  I'm now doing work\/using skills that are far above my pay grade (and have been for a while including working OT).   I'm planning on asking for a significant raise at the start of the year to bring my pay up to what I feel like it should be at.  I'm skeptical that the company is going to want to give me the raise.  If they don't I'm planning on taking my 7 weeks of vacation that I have saved ( which means we will miss the contract dates ) so that I can apply for new jobs (I'm in a super in demand field and can pick up a new job in a month easy).  Does anyone find this unethical?","c_root_id_A":"hptm7qd","c_root_id_B":"hptfah3","created_at_utc_A":1640363458,"created_at_utc_B":1640360196,"score_A":14,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"This is the equivalent of telegraphing a punch in a fight with a seasoned boxer, they're gonna see it coming a mile away.   I highly recommend you take a more tactful approach.","human_ref_B":"Using up all 7 weeks at once just to apply to jobs seems a bit much to me and potentially counter productive.  I would probably take a week or 2 off to fix up my resume and get a good start on applying. Then I might take a day off each week just to give me more time to work on applying, and when you actually get interviews take more time off.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3262.0,"score_ratio":7.0}
{"post_id":"rnev9v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Taking vacation after not being given a raise? Here's the situation.   I'm an engineer who inherited an upside project when the former leads left the company a year ago.  I'm now doing work\/using skills that are far above my pay grade (and have been for a while including working OT).   I'm planning on asking for a significant raise at the start of the year to bring my pay up to what I feel like it should be at.  I'm skeptical that the company is going to want to give me the raise.  If they don't I'm planning on taking my 7 weeks of vacation that I have saved ( which means we will miss the contract dates ) so that I can apply for new jobs (I'm in a super in demand field and can pick up a new job in a month easy).  Does anyone find this unethical?","c_root_id_A":"hptm7qd","c_root_id_B":"hptkiak","created_at_utc_A":1640363458,"created_at_utc_B":1640362671,"score_A":14,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"This is the equivalent of telegraphing a punch in a fight with a seasoned boxer, they're gonna see it coming a mile away.   I highly recommend you take a more tactful approach.","human_ref_B":"Without notice, this is a shitty thing to do. Perhaps not unethical, but you are basically saying \u201cif I don\u2019t get my way, I\u2019m gonna drag you through the shit\u201d. Poor character.   If you want a new job, apply to new jobs. Take time you need off to interview or do whatever.   Take a week vacation to do your resume.   Take vacation to take vacation.   But, don\u2019t take 7 weeks straight vacation and tank the project. If the project tanks because you get a new role that\u2019s another story.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":787.0,"score_ratio":7.0}
{"post_id":"rnev9v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Taking vacation after not being given a raise? Here's the situation.   I'm an engineer who inherited an upside project when the former leads left the company a year ago.  I'm now doing work\/using skills that are far above my pay grade (and have been for a while including working OT).   I'm planning on asking for a significant raise at the start of the year to bring my pay up to what I feel like it should be at.  I'm skeptical that the company is going to want to give me the raise.  If they don't I'm planning on taking my 7 weeks of vacation that I have saved ( which means we will miss the contract dates ) so that I can apply for new jobs (I'm in a super in demand field and can pick up a new job in a month easy).  Does anyone find this unethical?","c_root_id_A":"hpsjkhe","c_root_id_B":"hpt0yzs","created_at_utc_A":1640339056,"created_at_utc_B":1640352560,"score_A":8,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Not unethical.  I find it odd that you think that you'll be successful in just saying you will take 7 weeks vacation without a discussion though. There has to be some sort of approval, can't imagine a company is remotely successful letting employees randomly disappear without some sort of heads up.","human_ref_B":"Not a problem at all. But let\u2019s face it, if a signature is required for you to take the 7 weeks, you will not get it approved if it affects the schedule.    A better plan is to present a plan to your management. You need to give them a chance to have the proper budget in place, if you request a raise now or \u201celse\u201d, if the budget is not in place two things can happen: one, they say no and you leave or two, you get it and the other guys that were getting raises will not because you tipped the scales and threatened to leave. You\u2019ll be the life of the party.   But seriously, it will be much more effective if you help them plan it.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":13504.0,"score_ratio":1.125}
{"post_id":"n1oudo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"A youtuber's 50 cal exploded and the explanation from the manufacturer seems odd... I have no knowledge of guns at all but in this video:  https:\/\/old.reddit.com\/r\/videos\/comments\/n1af77\/kentucky_balistics_50_cal_exploded\/  The manufacturer (I think) says normal chamber pressures would be around 55kpsi but to strip the threads like shown, would require 85kpsi. This seems like a very small safety factor. Is this correct and\/or normal for these sorts of guns?","c_root_id_A":"gwehk15","c_root_id_B":"gwemagp","created_at_utc_A":1619771454,"created_at_utc_B":1619774993,"score_A":7,"score_B":113,"human_ref_A":"I was also surprised by this but i think 85 kPSI might be a number for yield strenth and not Ultimate tensile strength...if you calculate the full material strength on a static load it might be something like 120kPSI to reach ultimate tensile strength, but the material should stay within the elastic region up to minimum 85 kPSI, hence the use of \"atleast\".  only way to know for sure is to contact Mark Serbu and ask him directly.","human_ref_B":"Gun barrel safety factors are around 1.5. When I first was going through the math reverse engineering a regular AR barrel, I thought this was very low too. But in the firearms industry we know the maximum cartridge pressure rating. The ammunition supplier has to ensure their ammo doesn't surpass the rated pressure. The odds of getting an overpressure cartridge are very low too. With a 1.5 SF, that fully accounts for any ammo manufacturer giving a slight defect with higher pressure.   The only problems come into play are when same cartridge dimensions are used, people reloading ammo (trying to push the limits or making an error), and cartridges with different max pressures for the same caliber (which is what I heard happened here). The first problem is rare and only happens with say you bought a .223 AR and loaded it with 5.56mm, you aren't going to have a fun time. The 5.56 has higher pressures than the .223 but both are often used interchangeably. As for reloading ammo, it is important for the individual to understand the firearm has limits and they need to ensure not to go past the pressure rating for the cartridge. Lastly, from what I gathered from without actually watching the video and reading other reddit posts about it; the ammo the guy used was rated for 85000psi while the barrel was rated for 55000psi. The ammo in question was designed for the M2 machine gun and some other .50 cals with beefier barrels. Therefore when the guy used it in his gun, which did not have one of the special barrels that can handle it, it resulted in the catastrophic failure. Thankfully I hear he is doing fine, but it is not a failure on the firearm manufacturer nor the ammo manufacturer.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3539.0,"score_ratio":16.1428571429}
{"post_id":"n1oudo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"A youtuber's 50 cal exploded and the explanation from the manufacturer seems odd... I have no knowledge of guns at all but in this video:  https:\/\/old.reddit.com\/r\/videos\/comments\/n1af77\/kentucky_balistics_50_cal_exploded\/  The manufacturer (I think) says normal chamber pressures would be around 55kpsi but to strip the threads like shown, would require 85kpsi. This seems like a very small safety factor. Is this correct and\/or normal for these sorts of guns?","c_root_id_A":"gwehk15","c_root_id_B":"gwerhpg","created_at_utc_A":1619771454,"created_at_utc_B":1619778960,"score_A":7,"score_B":20,"human_ref_A":"I was also surprised by this but i think 85 kPSI might be a number for yield strenth and not Ultimate tensile strength...if you calculate the full material strength on a static load it might be something like 120kPSI to reach ultimate tensile strength, but the material should stay within the elastic region up to minimum 85 kPSI, hence the use of \"atleast\".  only way to know for sure is to contact Mark Serbu and ask him directly.","human_ref_B":"85 KSI to strip the threads actually seems low to me. I've seen the gun in question and it's a pretty hefty breech plug and pretty large threads with plenty of thread engagement.   The only thing is it uses coarse threads instead of time threads and if I remember correctly fine threads are actually stronger when it comes to being stripped because you get more threads per unit length.   I would be questioning if the threads were machined properly or not, on a part like that those threads are probably turned with a single point cutter on a lathe rather than a tap, and it's very possible the threads were cut oversized which would weaken them. Add to that that a lot of small manufacturing companies have shotty quality control at best and all it would take is one operator not checking his parts with the proper gage because \"we've been running this for years it's always been fine\" for this to happen.  This seems like the most likely failure mode to me to be quite honest. Impossible to tell now that the breech is destroyed.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7506.0,"score_ratio":2.8571428571}
{"post_id":"n1oudo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"A youtuber's 50 cal exploded and the explanation from the manufacturer seems odd... I have no knowledge of guns at all but in this video:  https:\/\/old.reddit.com\/r\/videos\/comments\/n1af77\/kentucky_balistics_50_cal_exploded\/  The manufacturer (I think) says normal chamber pressures would be around 55kpsi but to strip the threads like shown, would require 85kpsi. This seems like a very small safety factor. Is this correct and\/or normal for these sorts of guns?","c_root_id_A":"gwehk15","c_root_id_B":"gwf3bwo","created_at_utc_A":1619771454,"created_at_utc_B":1619786472,"score_A":7,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"I was also surprised by this but i think 85 kPSI might be a number for yield strenth and not Ultimate tensile strength...if you calculate the full material strength on a static load it might be something like 120kPSI to reach ultimate tensile strength, but the material should stay within the elastic region up to minimum 85 kPSI, hence the use of \"atleast\".  only way to know for sure is to contact Mark Serbu and ask him directly.","human_ref_B":"In firearms 1.5 isn't crazy as the ammo is regulated based on size, grain, and quality. A 5.56 72 grain bullet will have a pretty close tolerance range bullet to bullet.   In the video you're talking about, he loaded an old ammo type, this can let to all sorts of issues. This is also why you should know what you're doing when reloading, there's a huge chance for catastrophe.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":15018.0,"score_ratio":1.7142857143}
{"post_id":"n1oudo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"A youtuber's 50 cal exploded and the explanation from the manufacturer seems odd... I have no knowledge of guns at all but in this video:  https:\/\/old.reddit.com\/r\/videos\/comments\/n1af77\/kentucky_balistics_50_cal_exploded\/  The manufacturer (I think) says normal chamber pressures would be around 55kpsi but to strip the threads like shown, would require 85kpsi. This seems like a very small safety factor. Is this correct and\/or normal for these sorts of guns?","c_root_id_A":"gwet0ih","c_root_id_B":"gwf3bwo","created_at_utc_A":1619780048,"created_at_utc_B":1619786472,"score_A":5,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"Yeah the rating seems super low and honestly the gun seems super sketchy. Generally you want to beef up any pressure bearing components, so I am surprised at seeing how the weak the back end of the gun appears to be constructed. The breech cap appeared to only have 5-7 ish shallow threads, and with the extreme forces involved, I would not be surprised if the thread interface is not of adequate strength or tolerance to prevent the gun from exploding. Something else to consider is that the extreme forces may be causing deformation and cracking in the threads every time the gun is shot due to the low failure pressure and how relatively thin the threads are axially, so even if the gun is safe on the first shot it may not be later in its life. This would be due to the relatively low amount of surface contact on the threads compared to the extremely high forces on the breech cap, which would create a high pressure on the threads that would not be able to be contained by the relatively thin metal backing the threads, leading to deformation\/cracking over time and eventually failure. The treatment that the metal in the breech cap and threads on the barrel went through would also affect the strength and deformation\/cracking resistance as well.  From the simplistic and seemingly thin \"locking lugs\" of the design, I would not be surprised if the manufacturer didn't actually do or just half-assed the calculations and analysis, and the physical design of the action or the materials\/treatments used may be dangerously defective upon a more rigorous analysis. They potentially may have simply multiplied the number of threads by the thread thickness without fully accounting for any deformation or cracking that would appear due to the low axial thickness of the threads.  For guns that I have seen and shot, the bolt interface with the barrel is usually quite beefy for rounds that are of considerably lower energy than a .50 BMG. Comparatively, for bolt action rifles that shoot rounds like .270 or even .308, the locking lugs have a relatively high contact area and are usually 1+ cm thick. Visually, the gun that exploded looks seriously underbuilt compared to its peers like the Barrett M99, especially the breech. Compared to the Barrett M99 bolt, the breech cap on the youtuber's gun looks dangerously underbuilt for such a powerful round such as the .50 BMG. Personally, I wouldn't shoot that gun as it visually appears to be dangerously defective, with the experience of the youtuber, even though he was using exotic ammunition and this is an n of 1, being evidence of the dangers. Also it appears that you can fire it without screwing on the breech cap fully, and that would be extremely dangerous given the low safety margin. I am on the electrical side of things however, so take my opinion with a grain of salt.","human_ref_B":"In firearms 1.5 isn't crazy as the ammo is regulated based on size, grain, and quality. A 5.56 72 grain bullet will have a pretty close tolerance range bullet to bullet.   In the video you're talking about, he loaded an old ammo type, this can let to all sorts of issues. This is also why you should know what you're doing when reloading, there's a huge chance for catastrophe.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6424.0,"score_ratio":2.4}
{"post_id":"n1oudo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"A youtuber's 50 cal exploded and the explanation from the manufacturer seems odd... I have no knowledge of guns at all but in this video:  https:\/\/old.reddit.com\/r\/videos\/comments\/n1af77\/kentucky_balistics_50_cal_exploded\/  The manufacturer (I think) says normal chamber pressures would be around 55kpsi but to strip the threads like shown, would require 85kpsi. This seems like a very small safety factor. Is this correct and\/or normal for these sorts of guns?","c_root_id_A":"gwehk15","c_root_id_B":"gwfkskp","created_at_utc_A":1619771454,"created_at_utc_B":1619794829,"score_A":7,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"I was also surprised by this but i think 85 kPSI might be a number for yield strenth and not Ultimate tensile strength...if you calculate the full material strength on a static load it might be something like 120kPSI to reach ultimate tensile strength, but the material should stay within the elastic region up to minimum 85 kPSI, hence the use of \"atleast\".  only way to know for sure is to contact Mark Serbu and ask him directly.","human_ref_B":"Most likely not a manufacturing issue. The rounds he was using were \"supposedly\" military surplus .50 SLAP rounds. Those haven't been in use for decades, he probably bought it from a third party. And at that point the round could have been tampered with, or the powder had some adverse reaction over a long time.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":23375.0,"score_ratio":1.1428571429}
{"post_id":"n1oudo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"A youtuber's 50 cal exploded and the explanation from the manufacturer seems odd... I have no knowledge of guns at all but in this video:  https:\/\/old.reddit.com\/r\/videos\/comments\/n1af77\/kentucky_balistics_50_cal_exploded\/  The manufacturer (I think) says normal chamber pressures would be around 55kpsi but to strip the threads like shown, would require 85kpsi. This seems like a very small safety factor. Is this correct and\/or normal for these sorts of guns?","c_root_id_A":"gwet0ih","c_root_id_B":"gwfkskp","created_at_utc_A":1619780048,"created_at_utc_B":1619794829,"score_A":5,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"Yeah the rating seems super low and honestly the gun seems super sketchy. Generally you want to beef up any pressure bearing components, so I am surprised at seeing how the weak the back end of the gun appears to be constructed. The breech cap appeared to only have 5-7 ish shallow threads, and with the extreme forces involved, I would not be surprised if the thread interface is not of adequate strength or tolerance to prevent the gun from exploding. Something else to consider is that the extreme forces may be causing deformation and cracking in the threads every time the gun is shot due to the low failure pressure and how relatively thin the threads are axially, so even if the gun is safe on the first shot it may not be later in its life. This would be due to the relatively low amount of surface contact on the threads compared to the extremely high forces on the breech cap, which would create a high pressure on the threads that would not be able to be contained by the relatively thin metal backing the threads, leading to deformation\/cracking over time and eventually failure. The treatment that the metal in the breech cap and threads on the barrel went through would also affect the strength and deformation\/cracking resistance as well.  From the simplistic and seemingly thin \"locking lugs\" of the design, I would not be surprised if the manufacturer didn't actually do or just half-assed the calculations and analysis, and the physical design of the action or the materials\/treatments used may be dangerously defective upon a more rigorous analysis. They potentially may have simply multiplied the number of threads by the thread thickness without fully accounting for any deformation or cracking that would appear due to the low axial thickness of the threads.  For guns that I have seen and shot, the bolt interface with the barrel is usually quite beefy for rounds that are of considerably lower energy than a .50 BMG. Comparatively, for bolt action rifles that shoot rounds like .270 or even .308, the locking lugs have a relatively high contact area and are usually 1+ cm thick. Visually, the gun that exploded looks seriously underbuilt compared to its peers like the Barrett M99, especially the breech. Compared to the Barrett M99 bolt, the breech cap on the youtuber's gun looks dangerously underbuilt for such a powerful round such as the .50 BMG. Personally, I wouldn't shoot that gun as it visually appears to be dangerously defective, with the experience of the youtuber, even though he was using exotic ammunition and this is an n of 1, being evidence of the dangers. Also it appears that you can fire it without screwing on the breech cap fully, and that would be extremely dangerous given the low safety margin. I am on the electrical side of things however, so take my opinion with a grain of salt.","human_ref_B":"Most likely not a manufacturing issue. The rounds he was using were \"supposedly\" military surplus .50 SLAP rounds. Those haven't been in use for decades, he probably bought it from a third party. And at that point the round could have been tampered with, or the powder had some adverse reaction over a long time.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":14781.0,"score_ratio":1.6}
{"post_id":"n1oudo","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"A youtuber's 50 cal exploded and the explanation from the manufacturer seems odd... I have no knowledge of guns at all but in this video:  https:\/\/old.reddit.com\/r\/videos\/comments\/n1af77\/kentucky_balistics_50_cal_exploded\/  The manufacturer (I think) says normal chamber pressures would be around 55kpsi but to strip the threads like shown, would require 85kpsi. This seems like a very small safety factor. Is this correct and\/or normal for these sorts of guns?","c_root_id_A":"gwfkskp","c_root_id_B":"gwf55lx","created_at_utc_A":1619794829,"created_at_utc_B":1619787480,"score_A":8,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Most likely not a manufacturing issue. The rounds he was using were \"supposedly\" military surplus .50 SLAP rounds. Those haven't been in use for decades, he probably bought it from a third party. And at that point the round could have been tampered with, or the powder had some adverse reaction over a long time.","human_ref_B":"150% seems like a perfectly reasonable safety factor to me.  You have to be stupid about having a hot  round to overload a cartridge that much. Kinda of like what happened here.. Whoever last messed with that round did something wrong, or it was meant for a much beefier 50cal.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7349.0,"score_ratio":1.6}
{"post_id":"7ohnl1","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Whats the biggest \"WTH THAT EXISTS?\" moment you have had in engineering? So recently, I discovered that the porsche 918 has a paint option that costs $64,000 in which porsche uses high strength magnets to align the tiny metallic flakes on the car so that they perfectly face the direction they want.","c_root_id_A":"ds9pqzg","c_root_id_B":"ds9o3d4","created_at_utc_A":1515231867,"created_at_utc_B":1515227426,"score_A":117,"score_B":55,"human_ref_A":"The B-25 G. This is what happens when you give madmen a military budget. It's a plane on which they put 12+ machine guns, rockets, 2000 pounds of bombs and a freaking 75mm canon.  Thingiverse would be a personal pick, as I got a new 3D printer. It's really cool to just download a model for ikea towel hooks because you're missing one and having it ready in 20 minutes.","human_ref_B":"Whenever an aircraft in operation has a defective part and we don't have any spare part, my airline robs (that's how they call it) that part from a standby aircraft and install it on the defective one.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4441.0,"score_ratio":2.1272727273}
{"post_id":"7ohnl1","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Whats the biggest \"WTH THAT EXISTS?\" moment you have had in engineering? So recently, I discovered that the porsche 918 has a paint option that costs $64,000 in which porsche uses high strength magnets to align the tiny metallic flakes on the car so that they perfectly face the direction they want.","c_root_id_A":"ds9r68h","c_root_id_B":"ds9s62s","created_at_utc_A":1515235878,"created_at_utc_B":1515238701,"score_A":69,"score_B":109,"human_ref_A":"The Knock Nevis\/Happy Giant\/Seawise Giant - a ship so large and with so much draught, it could not navigate the English Channel. 458 m long and with a 68 m beam. 24 m draught. An unimaginably large object. Could still make 30 km\/h, though. It was even bombed by the Iraqi Air Force. It sank and they salvaged and refloated it.    https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Seawise_Giant  It's just fucking ridiculous. At what point do you decide to actually ask someone for the cash to make such a thing? I bet they ran through those calculations a few times...","human_ref_B":"Refrigerated car seats. It's like heaven on hot days! I discovered that this was a thing during an internship at Audi. Nobody drives well-equipped cars in my family because our budget is rather tight, and nobody talks about cars either, so I didn't know this had existed for some years already...","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2823.0,"score_ratio":1.5797101449}
{"post_id":"7ohnl1","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Whats the biggest \"WTH THAT EXISTS?\" moment you have had in engineering? So recently, I discovered that the porsche 918 has a paint option that costs $64,000 in which porsche uses high strength magnets to align the tiny metallic flakes on the car so that they perfectly face the direction they want.","c_root_id_A":"ds9s62s","c_root_id_B":"ds9o3d4","created_at_utc_A":1515238701,"created_at_utc_B":1515227426,"score_A":109,"score_B":55,"human_ref_A":"Refrigerated car seats. It's like heaven on hot days! I discovered that this was a thing during an internship at Audi. Nobody drives well-equipped cars in my family because our budget is rather tight, and nobody talks about cars either, so I didn't know this had existed for some years already...","human_ref_B":"Whenever an aircraft in operation has a defective part and we don't have any spare part, my airline robs (that's how they call it) that part from a standby aircraft and install it on the defective one.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":11275.0,"score_ratio":1.9818181818}
{"post_id":"7ohnl1","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Whats the biggest \"WTH THAT EXISTS?\" moment you have had in engineering? So recently, I discovered that the porsche 918 has a paint option that costs $64,000 in which porsche uses high strength magnets to align the tiny metallic flakes on the car so that they perfectly face the direction they want.","c_root_id_A":"dsa3m0v","c_root_id_B":"ds9r68h","created_at_utc_A":1515258153,"created_at_utc_B":1515235878,"score_A":89,"score_B":69,"human_ref_A":"The Fast Fourier Transform remains a silent marvel. You mean I can just take this signal of someone whistling and see what the frequency content\/pitch is with some pretty simple math, implemented in a way I can easily program onto an embedded device? WHAT IS THIS DEMONRY?  Runner up is nuclear centrifuges: let\u2019s just keep this uranium hot enough tonremain a vapor for a few months, and spin it around til the heavier garbage is collected on the outside, while that sweet precious U-235 stays closer to the center. Oh, ok.","human_ref_B":"The Knock Nevis\/Happy Giant\/Seawise Giant - a ship so large and with so much draught, it could not navigate the English Channel. 458 m long and with a 68 m beam. 24 m draught. An unimaginably large object. Could still make 30 km\/h, though. It was even bombed by the Iraqi Air Force. It sank and they salvaged and refloated it.    https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Seawise_Giant  It's just fucking ridiculous. At what point do you decide to actually ask someone for the cash to make such a thing? I bet they ran through those calculations a few times...","labels":1,"seconds_difference":22275.0,"score_ratio":1.2898550725}
{"post_id":"7ohnl1","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Whats the biggest \"WTH THAT EXISTS?\" moment you have had in engineering? So recently, I discovered that the porsche 918 has a paint option that costs $64,000 in which porsche uses high strength magnets to align the tiny metallic flakes on the car so that they perfectly face the direction they want.","c_root_id_A":"dsa3m0v","c_root_id_B":"ds9v8m7","created_at_utc_A":1515258153,"created_at_utc_B":1515246042,"score_A":89,"score_B":67,"human_ref_A":"The Fast Fourier Transform remains a silent marvel. You mean I can just take this signal of someone whistling and see what the frequency content\/pitch is with some pretty simple math, implemented in a way I can easily program onto an embedded device? WHAT IS THIS DEMONRY?  Runner up is nuclear centrifuges: let\u2019s just keep this uranium hot enough tonremain a vapor for a few months, and spin it around til the heavier garbage is collected on the outside, while that sweet precious U-235 stays closer to the center. Oh, ok.","human_ref_B":"The first time I saw a lump of steel weighing about 400 metric Tons being parked on top of a well head about 2 km under the ocean.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":12111.0,"score_ratio":1.328358209}
{"post_id":"7ohnl1","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Whats the biggest \"WTH THAT EXISTS?\" moment you have had in engineering? So recently, I discovered that the porsche 918 has a paint option that costs $64,000 in which porsche uses high strength magnets to align the tiny metallic flakes on the car so that they perfectly face the direction they want.","c_root_id_A":"ds9o3d4","c_root_id_B":"dsa3m0v","created_at_utc_A":1515227426,"created_at_utc_B":1515258153,"score_A":55,"score_B":89,"human_ref_A":"Whenever an aircraft in operation has a defective part and we don't have any spare part, my airline robs (that's how they call it) that part from a standby aircraft and install it on the defective one.","human_ref_B":"The Fast Fourier Transform remains a silent marvel. You mean I can just take this signal of someone whistling and see what the frequency content\/pitch is with some pretty simple math, implemented in a way I can easily program onto an embedded device? WHAT IS THIS DEMONRY?  Runner up is nuclear centrifuges: let\u2019s just keep this uranium hot enough tonremain a vapor for a few months, and spin it around til the heavier garbage is collected on the outside, while that sweet precious U-235 stays closer to the center. Oh, ok.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":30727.0,"score_ratio":1.6181818182}
{"post_id":"7ohnl1","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Whats the biggest \"WTH THAT EXISTS?\" moment you have had in engineering? So recently, I discovered that the porsche 918 has a paint option that costs $64,000 in which porsche uses high strength magnets to align the tiny metallic flakes on the car so that they perfectly face the direction they want.","c_root_id_A":"ds9xa2h","c_root_id_B":"dsa3m0v","created_at_utc_A":1515249651,"created_at_utc_B":1515258153,"score_A":43,"score_B":89,"human_ref_A":"Ultra high performance concrete (UHPC). The stuff has an initial f\u2019c of 3-4 ksi in 12-24 hrs and has a final f\u2019c over 15ksi.  It basically allows you build a workhorse style bridge over a weekend with precast elements and using UHPC for the closure pours. It\u2019s expensive but when you factor in the traffic protection and user delay costs you save its truly amazing stuff.","human_ref_B":"The Fast Fourier Transform remains a silent marvel. You mean I can just take this signal of someone whistling and see what the frequency content\/pitch is with some pretty simple math, implemented in a way I can easily program onto an embedded device? WHAT IS THIS DEMONRY?  Runner up is nuclear centrifuges: let\u2019s just keep this uranium hot enough tonremain a vapor for a few months, and spin it around til the heavier garbage is collected on the outside, while that sweet precious U-235 stays closer to the center. Oh, ok.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8502.0,"score_ratio":2.0697674419}
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{"post_id":"pvzayb","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Is my life just going to be work once I graduate? I already study so much. Like 50 hours a week is school and studying. I don't want to just have work be my life. The occasional long hour week is fine just as long as it's not every week. Prefer 40 hours typically.","c_root_id_A":"hee40wx","c_root_id_B":"hedlxih","created_at_utc_A":1632688745,"created_at_utc_B":1632681420,"score_A":339,"score_B":143,"human_ref_A":"I've never worked more than 45 hours in a week. Work is awesome, and 100x better and easier than school. Would highly recommend. Just go work, and come home and enjoy life, without thinking about work for 16 hours. You don't have to feel guilty about hanging out with friends, or playing video games or whatever. Work is over and your time is yours and you don't have to study.   Working life fucking rocks, and it's so easy.","human_ref_B":"It really depends on where you work.  I've worked places where you work a 75 hour week, then the next week is 30 hours.  Sometimes you'll go on streaks where its 40-45 hrs for the majority of the time.  Other times, its a crunch of constant 80hr weeks for a month, but its unsustainable at an entry level.  Yes, its a lot of work.  Its not as bad as school because you're getting paid for it, and its more \"real\" where you're solving real world problems instead of questions from a textbook.  Hang in there, calm down, and you're going to be fine.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7325.0,"score_ratio":2.3706293706}
{"post_id":"pvzayb","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Is my life just going to be work once I graduate? I already study so much. Like 50 hours a week is school and studying. I don't want to just have work be my life. The occasional long hour week is fine just as long as it's not every week. Prefer 40 hours typically.","c_root_id_A":"hee40wx","c_root_id_B":"heduf0b","created_at_utc_A":1632688745,"created_at_utc_B":1632684867,"score_A":339,"score_B":59,"human_ref_A":"I've never worked more than 45 hours in a week. Work is awesome, and 100x better and easier than school. Would highly recommend. Just go work, and come home and enjoy life, without thinking about work for 16 hours. You don't have to feel guilty about hanging out with friends, or playing video games or whatever. Work is over and your time is yours and you don't have to study.   Working life fucking rocks, and it's so easy.","human_ref_B":"I'll say 40 hours working at a job is really different from 40 hours in classes and doing homework. A big difference is, for most jobs, once you leave, you're done. You don't have to figure out when to do homework or having the threat of a test looming over your head (maybe I should be studying instead of watching Netflix...).  There's also a lot more down time at most jobs versus in class. A 90 minute lecture is way, way more mentally draining than a 90 minute meeting. You aren't going to be expected to regurgitate every detail that's spit out; you're typically there to be an expert on some small portions of it, and can pay a lower level of attention to the bulk of what's going on.  Now and then I'll go back and take a week long class (8 hours a day for 5 days) and holy cow I forget how draining it can be.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3878.0,"score_ratio":5.7457627119}
{"post_id":"pvzayb","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Is my life just going to be work once I graduate? I already study so much. Like 50 hours a week is school and studying. I don't want to just have work be my life. The occasional long hour week is fine just as long as it's not every week. Prefer 40 hours typically.","c_root_id_A":"hedmre0","c_root_id_B":"hee40wx","created_at_utc_A":1632681759,"created_at_utc_B":1632688745,"score_A":15,"score_B":339,"human_ref_A":"That's entirely up to you  There are engineering jobs that have good work\/life balance.  Every job is going to come with its own unique balance of hours, pay, benefits, and job satisfaction even at the same employer.  But the more you focus on one of these the more you tend to trade off in other areas.  You want to clock out at 40 hours and be home in time to play with the kids (or video games... no judgement), then you're probably going to sacrifice some pay and long term career prospects to get there.  While some jobs are undoubtedly better than others, it really comes down to knowing what you want out of a job and putting yourself in a position to get that job.  With that said the first job is a bit of guessing game.  You have minimal marketable skills as a recent grad.  This might mean taking a job you don't love to put yourself in a position to get a job that's more of what you want a couple years down the road.","human_ref_B":"I've never worked more than 45 hours in a week. Work is awesome, and 100x better and easier than school. Would highly recommend. Just go work, and come home and enjoy life, without thinking about work for 16 hours. You don't have to feel guilty about hanging out with friends, or playing video games or whatever. Work is over and your time is yours and you don't have to study.   Working life fucking rocks, and it's so easy.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6986.0,"score_ratio":22.6}
{"post_id":"pvzayb","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Is my life just going to be work once I graduate? I already study so much. Like 50 hours a week is school and studying. I don't want to just have work be my life. The occasional long hour week is fine just as long as it's not every week. Prefer 40 hours typically.","c_root_id_A":"hednhir","c_root_id_B":"hee40wx","created_at_utc_A":1632682060,"created_at_utc_B":1632688745,"score_A":7,"score_B":339,"human_ref_A":"At my site, the engineers work pretty close to 40 hours on normal weeks. Were in TAR right now so its obviously jumped up.. but for the most part its 40-45. 9:80 schedule is the norm and on our \"on\" fridays we'll usually take a longer lunch. Depends on where you're at though. As you crawl up the ladder, your ability to find work to stay late opens up (from what I've heard\/ seen, im still a recent grad).  &#x200B;  When I've had projects being worked on on-site, I can definitely be there for 12 hours \"supervising\" or answering questions. And then when that next Friday comes I'll cut out at lunch.   &#x200B;  Finding the right place to work is crucial.","human_ref_B":"I've never worked more than 45 hours in a week. Work is awesome, and 100x better and easier than school. Would highly recommend. Just go work, and come home and enjoy life, without thinking about work for 16 hours. You don't have to feel guilty about hanging out with friends, or playing video games or whatever. Work is over and your time is yours and you don't have to study.   Working life fucking rocks, and it's so easy.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6685.0,"score_ratio":48.4285714286}
{"post_id":"pvzayb","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Is my life just going to be work once I graduate? I already study so much. Like 50 hours a week is school and studying. I don't want to just have work be my life. The occasional long hour week is fine just as long as it's not every week. Prefer 40 hours typically.","c_root_id_A":"heduf0b","c_root_id_B":"hedmre0","created_at_utc_A":1632684867,"created_at_utc_B":1632681759,"score_A":59,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"I'll say 40 hours working at a job is really different from 40 hours in classes and doing homework. A big difference is, for most jobs, once you leave, you're done. You don't have to figure out when to do homework or having the threat of a test looming over your head (maybe I should be studying instead of watching Netflix...).  There's also a lot more down time at most jobs versus in class. A 90 minute lecture is way, way more mentally draining than a 90 minute meeting. You aren't going to be expected to regurgitate every detail that's spit out; you're typically there to be an expert on some small portions of it, and can pay a lower level of attention to the bulk of what's going on.  Now and then I'll go back and take a week long class (8 hours a day for 5 days) and holy cow I forget how draining it can be.","human_ref_B":"That's entirely up to you  There are engineering jobs that have good work\/life balance.  Every job is going to come with its own unique balance of hours, pay, benefits, and job satisfaction even at the same employer.  But the more you focus on one of these the more you tend to trade off in other areas.  You want to clock out at 40 hours and be home in time to play with the kids (or video games... no judgement), then you're probably going to sacrifice some pay and long term career prospects to get there.  While some jobs are undoubtedly better than others, it really comes down to knowing what you want out of a job and putting yourself in a position to get that job.  With that said the first job is a bit of guessing game.  You have minimal marketable skills as a recent grad.  This might mean taking a job you don't love to put yourself in a position to get a job that's more of what you want a couple years down the road.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3108.0,"score_ratio":3.9333333333}
{"post_id":"pvzayb","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Is my life just going to be work once I graduate? I already study so much. Like 50 hours a week is school and studying. I don't want to just have work be my life. The occasional long hour week is fine just as long as it's not every week. Prefer 40 hours typically.","c_root_id_A":"heduf0b","c_root_id_B":"hednhir","created_at_utc_A":1632684867,"created_at_utc_B":1632682060,"score_A":59,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"I'll say 40 hours working at a job is really different from 40 hours in classes and doing homework. A big difference is, for most jobs, once you leave, you're done. You don't have to figure out when to do homework or having the threat of a test looming over your head (maybe I should be studying instead of watching Netflix...).  There's also a lot more down time at most jobs versus in class. A 90 minute lecture is way, way more mentally draining than a 90 minute meeting. You aren't going to be expected to regurgitate every detail that's spit out; you're typically there to be an expert on some small portions of it, and can pay a lower level of attention to the bulk of what's going on.  Now and then I'll go back and take a week long class (8 hours a day for 5 days) and holy cow I forget how draining it can be.","human_ref_B":"At my site, the engineers work pretty close to 40 hours on normal weeks. Were in TAR right now so its obviously jumped up.. but for the most part its 40-45. 9:80 schedule is the norm and on our \"on\" fridays we'll usually take a longer lunch. Depends on where you're at though. As you crawl up the ladder, your ability to find work to stay late opens up (from what I've heard\/ seen, im still a recent grad).  &#x200B;  When I've had projects being worked on on-site, I can definitely be there for 12 hours \"supervising\" or answering questions. And then when that next Friday comes I'll cut out at lunch.   &#x200B;  Finding the right place to work is crucial.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2807.0,"score_ratio":8.4285714286}
{"post_id":"pvzayb","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Is my life just going to be work once I graduate? I already study so much. Like 50 hours a week is school and studying. I don't want to just have work be my life. The occasional long hour week is fine just as long as it's not every week. Prefer 40 hours typically.","c_root_id_A":"heedt7r","c_root_id_B":"hedmre0","created_at_utc_A":1632692956,"created_at_utc_B":1632681759,"score_A":40,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"I rather found the opposite. When I started working I had a lot more free time, especially guilt-free. After work, I was free.   Now with kids it's different...","human_ref_B":"That's entirely up to you  There are engineering jobs that have good work\/life balance.  Every job is going to come with its own unique balance of hours, pay, benefits, and job satisfaction even at the same employer.  But the more you focus on one of these the more you tend to trade off in other areas.  You want to clock out at 40 hours and be home in time to play with the kids (or video games... no judgement), then you're probably going to sacrifice some pay and long term career prospects to get there.  While some jobs are undoubtedly better than others, it really comes down to knowing what you want out of a job and putting yourself in a position to get that job.  With that said the first job is a bit of guessing game.  You have minimal marketable skills as a recent grad.  This might mean taking a job you don't love to put yourself in a position to get a job that's more of what you want a couple years down the road.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":11197.0,"score_ratio":2.6666666667}
{"post_id":"pvzayb","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Is my life just going to be work once I graduate? I already study so much. Like 50 hours a week is school and studying. I don't want to just have work be my life. The occasional long hour week is fine just as long as it's not every week. Prefer 40 hours typically.","c_root_id_A":"heedt7r","c_root_id_B":"heecf80","created_at_utc_A":1632692956,"created_at_utc_B":1632692340,"score_A":40,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"I rather found the opposite. When I started working I had a lot more free time, especially guilt-free. After work, I was free.   Now with kids it's different...","human_ref_B":"I work in oil and gas and do 2 weeks on 2 weeks off. ~150hrs a month. I love the work and the lifestyle. 2 weeks off every month and enjoyable work. Study is very different to work.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":616.0,"score_ratio":4.0}
{"post_id":"pvzayb","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Is my life just going to be work once I graduate? I already study so much. Like 50 hours a week is school and studying. I don't want to just have work be my life. The occasional long hour week is fine just as long as it's not every week. Prefer 40 hours typically.","c_root_id_A":"hednhir","c_root_id_B":"heedt7r","created_at_utc_A":1632682060,"created_at_utc_B":1632692956,"score_A":7,"score_B":40,"human_ref_A":"At my site, the engineers work pretty close to 40 hours on normal weeks. Were in TAR right now so its obviously jumped up.. but for the most part its 40-45. 9:80 schedule is the norm and on our \"on\" fridays we'll usually take a longer lunch. Depends on where you're at though. As you crawl up the ladder, your ability to find work to stay late opens up (from what I've heard\/ seen, im still a recent grad).  &#x200B;  When I've had projects being worked on on-site, I can definitely be there for 12 hours \"supervising\" or answering questions. And then when that next Friday comes I'll cut out at lunch.   &#x200B;  Finding the right place to work is crucial.","human_ref_B":"I rather found the opposite. When I started working I had a lot more free time, especially guilt-free. After work, I was free.   Now with kids it's different...","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10896.0,"score_ratio":5.7142857143}
{"post_id":"pvzayb","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Is my life just going to be work once I graduate? I already study so much. Like 50 hours a week is school and studying. I don't want to just have work be my life. The occasional long hour week is fine just as long as it's not every week. Prefer 40 hours typically.","c_root_id_A":"hednhir","c_root_id_B":"heecf80","created_at_utc_A":1632682060,"created_at_utc_B":1632692340,"score_A":7,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"At my site, the engineers work pretty close to 40 hours on normal weeks. Were in TAR right now so its obviously jumped up.. but for the most part its 40-45. 9:80 schedule is the norm and on our \"on\" fridays we'll usually take a longer lunch. Depends on where you're at though. As you crawl up the ladder, your ability to find work to stay late opens up (from what I've heard\/ seen, im still a recent grad).  &#x200B;  When I've had projects being worked on on-site, I can definitely be there for 12 hours \"supervising\" or answering questions. And then when that next Friday comes I'll cut out at lunch.   &#x200B;  Finding the right place to work is crucial.","human_ref_B":"I work in oil and gas and do 2 weeks on 2 weeks off. ~150hrs a month. I love the work and the lifestyle. 2 weeks off every month and enjoyable work. Study is very different to work.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10280.0,"score_ratio":1.4285714286}
{"post_id":"pvzayb","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Is my life just going to be work once I graduate? I already study so much. Like 50 hours a week is school and studying. I don't want to just have work be my life. The occasional long hour week is fine just as long as it's not every week. Prefer 40 hours typically.","c_root_id_A":"hef1qq6","c_root_id_B":"heeq899","created_at_utc_A":1632704311,"created_at_utc_B":1632698730,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"You are in a unique situation as an early-career engineer. From the company's perspective, you are about as fungible as it is possible to be. They will be looking for \"do you get it\" and \"do you put the company first\" when the chips are down. No need to go overboard working 80 hour weeks of course, but staying a step ahead of the others will absolutely get you noticed.  Companies tend not to care about the number of hours worked as much as they care about the results delivered.  You may find yourself sort of \"percolating\" after you come home. You are not overtly working, but will be thinking about that problem you are trying to solve as you cook dinner or walk the dog. Often, those in-the-background, low-key thoughts about a technical problem tends to lead to an aha moment the next day\/week\/month and you begin to deliver real value to the company.  Ultimately it is up to your life choice and you need to decide how much to invest in a career (=challenges, resources, wins, advancement) versus a just having a job","human_ref_B":"I work 40 hrs a week in manufacturing as a process\/ project engineer. Finding something you enjoy and a good company that treats you well makes all the difference.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5581.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"pvzayb","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Is my life just going to be work once I graduate? I already study so much. Like 50 hours a week is school and studying. I don't want to just have work be my life. The occasional long hour week is fine just as long as it's not every week. Prefer 40 hours typically.","c_root_id_A":"hef1qq6","c_root_id_B":"heeziat","created_at_utc_A":1632704311,"created_at_utc_B":1632703261,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"You are in a unique situation as an early-career engineer. From the company's perspective, you are about as fungible as it is possible to be. They will be looking for \"do you get it\" and \"do you put the company first\" when the chips are down. No need to go overboard working 80 hour weeks of course, but staying a step ahead of the others will absolutely get you noticed.  Companies tend not to care about the number of hours worked as much as they care about the results delivered.  You may find yourself sort of \"percolating\" after you come home. You are not overtly working, but will be thinking about that problem you are trying to solve as you cook dinner or walk the dog. Often, those in-the-background, low-key thoughts about a technical problem tends to lead to an aha moment the next day\/week\/month and you begin to deliver real value to the company.  Ultimately it is up to your life choice and you need to decide how much to invest in a career (=challenges, resources, wins, advancement) versus a just having a job","human_ref_B":"Probably.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1050.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"pvzayb","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Is my life just going to be work once I graduate? I already study so much. Like 50 hours a week is school and studying. I don't want to just have work be my life. The occasional long hour week is fine just as long as it's not every week. Prefer 40 hours typically.","c_root_id_A":"heh6zyo","c_root_id_B":"heeq899","created_at_utc_A":1632754125,"created_at_utc_B":1632698730,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I work 40 hours. Sometimes more depending on work load. You will have to find yourself a hobby and friends to occupy your time outside of work. The biggest adjustment for me once I left school was that my nights and weekends were finally my own. The loss of summer vacation sucked the big one tho lol.","human_ref_B":"I work 40 hrs a week in manufacturing as a process\/ project engineer. Finding something you enjoy and a good company that treats you well makes all the difference.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":55395.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"pvzayb","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Is my life just going to be work once I graduate? I already study so much. Like 50 hours a week is school and studying. I don't want to just have work be my life. The occasional long hour week is fine just as long as it's not every week. Prefer 40 hours typically.","c_root_id_A":"heh6zyo","c_root_id_B":"heeziat","created_at_utc_A":1632754125,"created_at_utc_B":1632703261,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I work 40 hours. Sometimes more depending on work load. You will have to find yourself a hobby and friends to occupy your time outside of work. The biggest adjustment for me once I left school was that my nights and weekends were finally my own. The loss of summer vacation sucked the big one tho lol.","human_ref_B":"Probably.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":50864.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"pvzayb","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Is my life just going to be work once I graduate? I already study so much. Like 50 hours a week is school and studying. I don't want to just have work be my life. The occasional long hour week is fine just as long as it's not every week. Prefer 40 hours typically.","c_root_id_A":"heh6zyo","c_root_id_B":"hef82e3","created_at_utc_A":1632754125,"created_at_utc_B":1632707216,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I work 40 hours. Sometimes more depending on work load. You will have to find yourself a hobby and friends to occupy your time outside of work. The biggest adjustment for me once I left school was that my nights and weekends were finally my own. The loss of summer vacation sucked the big one tho lol.","human_ref_B":"When I graduated, I moved across the country to a smallish town.  I remember my first weekend after a full 5-day work week And thought, \"now what?\"  I had so much time on my hands.  Most of the time, work ended at 430 or 5. It took some getting used to","labels":1,"seconds_difference":46909.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"pvzayb","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Is my life just going to be work once I graduate? I already study so much. Like 50 hours a week is school and studying. I don't want to just have work be my life. The occasional long hour week is fine just as long as it's not every week. Prefer 40 hours typically.","c_root_id_A":"heh6zyo","c_root_id_B":"heftmb7","created_at_utc_A":1632754125,"created_at_utc_B":1632719420,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I work 40 hours. Sometimes more depending on work load. You will have to find yourself a hobby and friends to occupy your time outside of work. The biggest adjustment for me once I left school was that my nights and weekends were finally my own. The loss of summer vacation sucked the big one tho lol.","human_ref_B":"The school was more fun for me... my work is just so boring and I don't feel as fulfilled as when I was in school. Gosh, I just hate my boss badly and I want to quit every second.  In school, I got to move on from one bad professor after a semester is over. Now I have to quit my job to move on. Looking for a new job is not fun :\\\\","labels":1,"seconds_difference":34705.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"pvzayb","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Is my life just going to be work once I graduate? I already study so much. Like 50 hours a week is school and studying. I don't want to just have work be my life. The occasional long hour week is fine just as long as it's not every week. Prefer 40 hours typically.","c_root_id_A":"hegp5lf","c_root_id_B":"heh6zyo","created_at_utc_A":1632745396,"created_at_utc_B":1632754125,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Yes and no.  Work is much easier, in most aspects, than studying. But there are different types of difficulties you will face throughout your career. i.e. undesirable managers\/coworkers\/conditions etc.. The work itself can be challenging too. And it should be. Gravy work gets boring, IMO, so having challenges mixed in keeps it from getting dull.  Hours that you work will depend on where you work, but also it depends on the standard or image you set for yourself in your new roles. If you come out the gate trying to impress with 60hr weeks, it tends to be expected of you thereafter. So, keep that in mind and don't feel like you need to work past 40 every week, like you mentioned. A long week here and there is rewarding. A long week every week is taxing and draining. Moderate your workload and only take on what you know you can handle. Sure, take a challenge here and there, but don't take everything that is thrown at you. Learn to say, 'No' or 'I don't have the capacity to take this on right now'.  The world is in a hurry; don't get caught up in the storm. Take YOUR time and build YOUR life. Not everyone is or can be a Nikola Tesla and make work their life. People like that are freaks of nature and they should be regarded as so and definitely not considered the norm.  Take care of yourself first. Then those around you.  Also, do the work that YOU enjoy and pursue the interests YOU are curious about. It makes for a much more fulfilling career. We now live in an age where that is possible, where before you more often than not had to take a job, even if you hated it, just to survive.  Do what you love, explore your interests, and have fun with it. And definitely don't try to live up to anyone else's standards or expectations other than your own. And don't overburden yourself when you do.  You will be fine. Just take it one step at a time and follow the path your intuition reveals to you.","human_ref_B":"I work 40 hours. Sometimes more depending on work load. You will have to find yourself a hobby and friends to occupy your time outside of work. The biggest adjustment for me once I left school was that my nights and weekends were finally my own. The loss of summer vacation sucked the big one tho lol.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8729.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"izp7hp","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"How did you prepare for your mechanical engineering technical interview questions?","c_root_id_A":"g6keoyi","c_root_id_B":"g6kcm24","created_at_utc_A":1601063243,"created_at_utc_B":1601062140,"score_A":154,"score_B":48,"human_ref_A":"The technical interviews I've given were about knowing first principles, not being distracted by extra information, and being able to admit you were wrong and keep going when we would give a hint or correction. It's amazing the holes people will dig themselves into just to not admit that their initial answer was wrong.  Don't get too flustered if you don't think you're doing well. Be willing to stop talking and ask for some help. We would stay quiet and let people keep going down a wrong path to see if they would eventually realize it. If you think you answered the question say so. A couple of people we hired thought they bombed the interview.","human_ref_B":"I listen to \"Damm it feels good to be a gangsta\" and know that all the work I did on engineering school \/my career will show off.  Engineers always ask about beam bending, stress strain curves, and conservation of work. Know the theory and any technical questions are easy.  Edit : Tolerance analysis ie max and min material conditions, and manufacturing capabilities ie molding, machining, stamping are some of the other technical subjects we ask about","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1103.0,"score_ratio":3.2083333333}
{"post_id":"izp7hp","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"How did you prepare for your mechanical engineering technical interview questions?","c_root_id_A":"g6ksr3h","c_root_id_B":"g6l9xl4","created_at_utc_A":1601071039,"created_at_utc_B":1601080423,"score_A":14,"score_B":18,"human_ref_A":"I ask super simple questions.  Its all in how you can explain things  Practice explaining stuff to other technical people. What is a 3rd angle projection? How does it work? How do you dimension two parts to make sure they'll always go together? What does the cross section of the weld described by this symbol look like?","human_ref_B":"I run the technical aspect of our group's interview panel (Design Engineers of all levels).  I present the exact same scenario to every candidate so that I can compare apples to apples.  Depending on what level you are applying for, I expect different things:  * For new hire\/junior level roles, I expect you to be able to identify principles and demonstrate a knowledge of mechanics.  You can take the prompt in lots of different directions, so let them take one direction as far as they can and see where they hit a wall.  Check knowledge of mechanics, materials, and how to solve problems\/root cause analysis. * For mid-levels, I want them to take the problem prompt, identify a solution that should work, demonstrate how they'd decide on what to do and convince the team it's the right thing to do, and how they'd validate that it worked. * For senior levels, I want everything from mid-levels, but also identifying what risks may be coming, what mitigation strategies could be, push back on their mitigation strategies with restrictions from cross functional partners (timelines, cost, industrial design).  From there, a focus on vendor relations on how they would industrialize the product to scale, giving them changing conditions (i.e. what would be the action plan if we were making 10,000 of these annually? How about 100,000,000 of them?).","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9384.0,"score_ratio":1.2857142857}
{"post_id":"izp7hp","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"How did you prepare for your mechanical engineering technical interview questions?","c_root_id_A":"g6l283t","c_root_id_B":"g6l9xl4","created_at_utc_A":1601075798,"created_at_utc_B":1601080423,"score_A":11,"score_B":18,"human_ref_A":"I had 2 hours of technical interviewing for my last internship, and I'd like to think I fared pretty well, here's what I remember doing:   * Connect with people who had the same position, ask them for advice and tips for the interview * Review your textbooks and fundamentals, they serve as the building blocks for many of the questions * When in doubt, talk it out. They care for the thought process, not just the answer. Silence sounds like you're blanking, talking it out sounds like you're thinking   * Send a portfolio before the interview, hopefully they'll have questions to ask you which means time will be taken up by talking about a project you're familiar with * If you find prior questions online, put them in a big question bank and practice them * First principles as always, lay down a bed of truths and then start to build up your answer from there * Always state your assumptions, and if you can't answer a question as it's posed, make an assumption to roll with to get to *an* answer, even though it's not the general answer   * Don't be afraid to ask for more info, sometimes a question will be underdefined and they're testing you to identify that","human_ref_B":"I run the technical aspect of our group's interview panel (Design Engineers of all levels).  I present the exact same scenario to every candidate so that I can compare apples to apples.  Depending on what level you are applying for, I expect different things:  * For new hire\/junior level roles, I expect you to be able to identify principles and demonstrate a knowledge of mechanics.  You can take the prompt in lots of different directions, so let them take one direction as far as they can and see where they hit a wall.  Check knowledge of mechanics, materials, and how to solve problems\/root cause analysis. * For mid-levels, I want them to take the problem prompt, identify a solution that should work, demonstrate how they'd decide on what to do and convince the team it's the right thing to do, and how they'd validate that it worked. * For senior levels, I want everything from mid-levels, but also identifying what risks may be coming, what mitigation strategies could be, push back on their mitigation strategies with restrictions from cross functional partners (timelines, cost, industrial design).  From there, a focus on vendor relations on how they would industrialize the product to scale, giving them changing conditions (i.e. what would be the action plan if we were making 10,000 of these annually? How about 100,000,000 of them?).","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4625.0,"score_ratio":1.6363636364}
{"post_id":"izp7hp","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"How did you prepare for your mechanical engineering technical interview questions?","c_root_id_A":"g6l7q2c","c_root_id_B":"g6l9xl4","created_at_utc_A":1601079005,"created_at_utc_B":1601080423,"score_A":6,"score_B":18,"human_ref_A":"I always struggle with technical interview questions. I get flustered when I am asked a technical question. Any pointers on how to improve that? Like if someone asks me a basic question, I will answer it but if they (interviewers) dig deep into a particular concept, I panic internally and I am not able to answer them. That's the reason I failed in my interview with Tesla.   &#x200B;  Thank you OP for the post. I was gonna make a post on this myself on the subreddit.","human_ref_B":"I run the technical aspect of our group's interview panel (Design Engineers of all levels).  I present the exact same scenario to every candidate so that I can compare apples to apples.  Depending on what level you are applying for, I expect different things:  * For new hire\/junior level roles, I expect you to be able to identify principles and demonstrate a knowledge of mechanics.  You can take the prompt in lots of different directions, so let them take one direction as far as they can and see where they hit a wall.  Check knowledge of mechanics, materials, and how to solve problems\/root cause analysis. * For mid-levels, I want them to take the problem prompt, identify a solution that should work, demonstrate how they'd decide on what to do and convince the team it's the right thing to do, and how they'd validate that it worked. * For senior levels, I want everything from mid-levels, but also identifying what risks may be coming, what mitigation strategies could be, push back on their mitigation strategies with restrictions from cross functional partners (timelines, cost, industrial design).  From there, a focus on vendor relations on how they would industrialize the product to scale, giving them changing conditions (i.e. what would be the action plan if we were making 10,000 of these annually? How about 100,000,000 of them?).","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1418.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"izp7hp","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"How did you prepare for your mechanical engineering technical interview questions?","c_root_id_A":"g6l6947","c_root_id_B":"g6l9xl4","created_at_utc_A":1601078046,"created_at_utc_B":1601080423,"score_A":5,"score_B":18,"human_ref_A":"I ask people to explain how they would solve particular problems, I\u2019m looking for a solid qualitative thought path, some key terminology, etc. if there is going to be a problem to work through it might be a not too complex elasticity (strength of materials) or statics\/dynamics problem. For the love of god, be able to draw a free body diagram. I don\u2019t expect people to have memorized the specific heat of aluminum or some other chickenshit piece of trivia, easily looked up.","human_ref_B":"I run the technical aspect of our group's interview panel (Design Engineers of all levels).  I present the exact same scenario to every candidate so that I can compare apples to apples.  Depending on what level you are applying for, I expect different things:  * For new hire\/junior level roles, I expect you to be able to identify principles and demonstrate a knowledge of mechanics.  You can take the prompt in lots of different directions, so let them take one direction as far as they can and see where they hit a wall.  Check knowledge of mechanics, materials, and how to solve problems\/root cause analysis. * For mid-levels, I want them to take the problem prompt, identify a solution that should work, demonstrate how they'd decide on what to do and convince the team it's the right thing to do, and how they'd validate that it worked. * For senior levels, I want everything from mid-levels, but also identifying what risks may be coming, what mitigation strategies could be, push back on their mitigation strategies with restrictions from cross functional partners (timelines, cost, industrial design).  From there, a focus on vendor relations on how they would industrialize the product to scale, giving them changing conditions (i.e. what would be the action plan if we were making 10,000 of these annually? How about 100,000,000 of them?).","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2377.0,"score_ratio":3.6}
{"post_id":"izp7hp","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"How did you prepare for your mechanical engineering technical interview questions?","c_root_id_A":"g6l9xl4","c_root_id_B":"g6kyj07","created_at_utc_A":1601080423,"created_at_utc_B":1601074172,"score_A":18,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I run the technical aspect of our group's interview panel (Design Engineers of all levels).  I present the exact same scenario to every candidate so that I can compare apples to apples.  Depending on what level you are applying for, I expect different things:  * For new hire\/junior level roles, I expect you to be able to identify principles and demonstrate a knowledge of mechanics.  You can take the prompt in lots of different directions, so let them take one direction as far as they can and see where they hit a wall.  Check knowledge of mechanics, materials, and how to solve problems\/root cause analysis. * For mid-levels, I want them to take the problem prompt, identify a solution that should work, demonstrate how they'd decide on what to do and convince the team it's the right thing to do, and how they'd validate that it worked. * For senior levels, I want everything from mid-levels, but also identifying what risks may be coming, what mitigation strategies could be, push back on their mitigation strategies with restrictions from cross functional partners (timelines, cost, industrial design).  From there, a focus on vendor relations on how they would industrialize the product to scale, giving them changing conditions (i.e. what would be the action plan if we were making 10,000 of these annually? How about 100,000,000 of them?).","human_ref_B":"Make a website for yourself to showcase your previous projects, designs, work experience,  etc. I did this before I graduated and it made showing off my technical experience a breeze..\"pull up my website and let's have a look, I have an exact example that will help answer this question \"...","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6251.0,"score_ratio":6.0}
{"post_id":"izp7hp","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"How did you prepare for your mechanical engineering technical interview questions?","c_root_id_A":"g6l283t","c_root_id_B":"g6kyj07","created_at_utc_A":1601075798,"created_at_utc_B":1601074172,"score_A":11,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I had 2 hours of technical interviewing for my last internship, and I'd like to think I fared pretty well, here's what I remember doing:   * Connect with people who had the same position, ask them for advice and tips for the interview * Review your textbooks and fundamentals, they serve as the building blocks for many of the questions * When in doubt, talk it out. They care for the thought process, not just the answer. Silence sounds like you're blanking, talking it out sounds like you're thinking   * Send a portfolio before the interview, hopefully they'll have questions to ask you which means time will be taken up by talking about a project you're familiar with * If you find prior questions online, put them in a big question bank and practice them * First principles as always, lay down a bed of truths and then start to build up your answer from there * Always state your assumptions, and if you can't answer a question as it's posed, make an assumption to roll with to get to *an* answer, even though it's not the general answer   * Don't be afraid to ask for more info, sometimes a question will be underdefined and they're testing you to identify that","human_ref_B":"Make a website for yourself to showcase your previous projects, designs, work experience,  etc. I did this before I graduated and it made showing off my technical experience a breeze..\"pull up my website and let's have a look, I have an exact example that will help answer this question \"...","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1626.0,"score_ratio":3.6666666667}
{"post_id":"izp7hp","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"How did you prepare for your mechanical engineering technical interview questions?","c_root_id_A":"g6l7q2c","c_root_id_B":"g6l6947","created_at_utc_A":1601079005,"created_at_utc_B":1601078046,"score_A":6,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"I always struggle with technical interview questions. I get flustered when I am asked a technical question. Any pointers on how to improve that? Like if someone asks me a basic question, I will answer it but if they (interviewers) dig deep into a particular concept, I panic internally and I am not able to answer them. That's the reason I failed in my interview with Tesla.   &#x200B;  Thank you OP for the post. I was gonna make a post on this myself on the subreddit.","human_ref_B":"I ask people to explain how they would solve particular problems, I\u2019m looking for a solid qualitative thought path, some key terminology, etc. if there is going to be a problem to work through it might be a not too complex elasticity (strength of materials) or statics\/dynamics problem. For the love of god, be able to draw a free body diagram. I don\u2019t expect people to have memorized the specific heat of aluminum or some other chickenshit piece of trivia, easily looked up.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":959.0,"score_ratio":1.2}
{"post_id":"izp7hp","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"How did you prepare for your mechanical engineering technical interview questions?","c_root_id_A":"g6kyj07","c_root_id_B":"g6l7q2c","created_at_utc_A":1601074172,"created_at_utc_B":1601079005,"score_A":3,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Make a website for yourself to showcase your previous projects, designs, work experience,  etc. I did this before I graduated and it made showing off my technical experience a breeze..\"pull up my website and let's have a look, I have an exact example that will help answer this question \"...","human_ref_B":"I always struggle with technical interview questions. I get flustered when I am asked a technical question. Any pointers on how to improve that? Like if someone asks me a basic question, I will answer it but if they (interviewers) dig deep into a particular concept, I panic internally and I am not able to answer them. That's the reason I failed in my interview with Tesla.   &#x200B;  Thank you OP for the post. I was gonna make a post on this myself on the subreddit.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4833.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"izp7hp","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"How did you prepare for your mechanical engineering technical interview questions?","c_root_id_A":"g6kyj07","c_root_id_B":"g6l6947","created_at_utc_A":1601074172,"created_at_utc_B":1601078046,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Make a website for yourself to showcase your previous projects, designs, work experience,  etc. I did this before I graduated and it made showing off my technical experience a breeze..\"pull up my website and let's have a look, I have an exact example that will help answer this question \"...","human_ref_B":"I ask people to explain how they would solve particular problems, I\u2019m looking for a solid qualitative thought path, some key terminology, etc. if there is going to be a problem to work through it might be a not too complex elasticity (strength of materials) or statics\/dynamics problem. For the love of god, be able to draw a free body diagram. I don\u2019t expect people to have memorized the specific heat of aluminum or some other chickenshit piece of trivia, easily looked up.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3874.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"izp7hp","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"How did you prepare for your mechanical engineering technical interview questions?","c_root_id_A":"g6pcd0w","c_root_id_B":"g6na8sx","created_at_utc_A":1601142839,"created_at_utc_B":1601110049,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Had an interview for my internship in a mechanical role.   I focused my preparation to the company and what it does(and thus the most relevant engineering principles). One if the things I had to remind myself of was the equation for heat transfer through a material, that was one if the exact questions they asked me.   Doesn't hurt to do a bit if extra prep for each specific company.","human_ref_B":"I didn't.  I felt if I didn't know the answers to their quesions off-hand, I didn't deserve the job they were interviewing for.   They gave me the job in the end, it was 25% less than I was already earning.  I hate interviewing...","labels":1,"seconds_difference":32790.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"izp7hp","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"How did you prepare for your mechanical engineering technical interview questions?","c_root_id_A":"g7fh8xm","c_root_id_B":"g6na8sx","created_at_utc_A":1601664762,"created_at_utc_B":1601110049,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Check out https:\/\/www.hardwareinterviews.fyi\/. It's a tool that my friends and I made to prepare specifically for mechanical engineers.   Typically in the past I would read textbooks and brush up on fundamentals as mentioned by TheJoven. The link above pretty much consolidates all of our efforts into one centralized platform.","human_ref_B":"I didn't.  I felt if I didn't know the answers to their quesions off-hand, I didn't deserve the job they were interviewing for.   They gave me the job in the end, it was 25% less than I was already earning.  I hate interviewing...","labels":1,"seconds_difference":554713.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"ugs5wz","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Are there any engineering unions in the USA? If not, why not?","c_root_id_A":"i71kwi8","c_root_id_B":"i71gl08","created_at_utc_A":1651508273,"created_at_utc_B":1651506502,"score_A":215,"score_B":49,"human_ref_A":"One thing to keep in mind is unions are primarily beneficial to workers who don't have much leverage to negotiate on their own (typically because they are relatively easy to replace). Engineers and other \"professional\" fields for that matter are much more difficult to replace because of the education\/training requirements, so there is much less incentive to unionize since workers already have a degree of bargaining power.  That said, there are unionized engineers in the US. IFPTE is the main \"national\" union. SPEEA is a union that represents engineers for Boeing Commercial and many of it's larger sub-contractors. UAW includes engineers. There are (federal) government engineers covered by AFGE and NFFE.","human_ref_B":"Boeing has speea","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1771.0,"score_ratio":4.387755102}
{"post_id":"ugs5wz","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Are there any engineering unions in the USA? If not, why not?","c_root_id_A":"i71ef4b","c_root_id_B":"i71kwi8","created_at_utc_A":1651505611,"created_at_utc_B":1651508273,"score_A":26,"score_B":215,"human_ref_A":"There are a small handful. However they aren't a popular idea among Engineers. Unlike other professions, there is a wide range of talent and skill sets that an Engineer could have.   A union pay scale would be a death sentence for many companies trying to get highly in-demand talent.","human_ref_B":"One thing to keep in mind is unions are primarily beneficial to workers who don't have much leverage to negotiate on their own (typically because they are relatively easy to replace). Engineers and other \"professional\" fields for that matter are much more difficult to replace because of the education\/training requirements, so there is much less incentive to unionize since workers already have a degree of bargaining power.  That said, there are unionized engineers in the US. IFPTE is the main \"national\" union. SPEEA is a union that represents engineers for Boeing Commercial and many of it's larger sub-contractors. UAW includes engineers. There are (federal) government engineers covered by AFGE and NFFE.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2662.0,"score_ratio":8.2692307692}
{"post_id":"ugs5wz","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Are there any engineering unions in the USA? If not, why not?","c_root_id_A":"i71o3vb","c_root_id_B":"i71gl08","created_at_utc_A":1651509554,"created_at_utc_B":1651506502,"score_A":102,"score_B":49,"human_ref_A":"I'm covered under Professional Division Laborer's International Union Local 335.","human_ref_B":"Boeing has speea","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3052.0,"score_ratio":2.0816326531}
{"post_id":"ugs5wz","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Are there any engineering unions in the USA? If not, why not?","c_root_id_A":"i71ef4b","c_root_id_B":"i71o3vb","created_at_utc_A":1651505611,"created_at_utc_B":1651509554,"score_A":26,"score_B":102,"human_ref_A":"There are a small handful. However they aren't a popular idea among Engineers. Unlike other professions, there is a wide range of talent and skill sets that an Engineer could have.   A union pay scale would be a death sentence for many companies trying to get highly in-demand talent.","human_ref_B":"I'm covered under Professional Division Laborer's International Union Local 335.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3943.0,"score_ratio":3.9230769231}
{"post_id":"ugs5wz","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Are there any engineering unions in the USA? If not, why not?","c_root_id_A":"i71mjl6","c_root_id_B":"i71o3vb","created_at_utc_A":1651508921,"created_at_utc_B":1651509554,"score_A":13,"score_B":102,"human_ref_A":"I think boeing has one but generally no. Usually engineers are considered by unions to be adversarial in the same way as management. They\u2019re salaried professionals and it\u2019s hard to commoditize their labor","human_ref_B":"I'm covered under Professional Division Laborer's International Union Local 335.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":633.0,"score_ratio":7.8461538462}
{"post_id":"ugs5wz","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Are there any engineering unions in the USA? If not, why not?","c_root_id_A":"i71ef4b","c_root_id_B":"i71gl08","created_at_utc_A":1651505611,"created_at_utc_B":1651506502,"score_A":26,"score_B":49,"human_ref_A":"There are a small handful. However they aren't a popular idea among Engineers. Unlike other professions, there is a wide range of talent and skill sets that an Engineer could have.   A union pay scale would be a death sentence for many companies trying to get highly in-demand talent.","human_ref_B":"Boeing has speea","labels":0,"seconds_difference":891.0,"score_ratio":1.8846153846}
{"post_id":"ugs5wz","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Are there any engineering unions in the USA? If not, why not?","c_root_id_A":"i71ef4b","c_root_id_B":"i72s78y","created_at_utc_A":1651505611,"created_at_utc_B":1651525635,"score_A":26,"score_B":43,"human_ref_A":"There are a small handful. However they aren't a popular idea among Engineers. Unlike other professions, there is a wide range of talent and skill sets that an Engineer could have.   A union pay scale would be a death sentence for many companies trying to get highly in-demand talent.","human_ref_B":"I love how many of the engineers posting here are convinced they're a 10X engineer","labels":0,"seconds_difference":20024.0,"score_ratio":1.6538461538}
{"post_id":"ugs5wz","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Are there any engineering unions in the USA? If not, why not?","c_root_id_A":"i72s78y","c_root_id_B":"i7243ky","created_at_utc_A":1651525635,"created_at_utc_B":1651515879,"score_A":43,"score_B":29,"human_ref_A":"I love how many of the engineers posting here are convinced they're a 10X engineer","human_ref_B":"As you can see in this thread, unions have been so tarnished through propaganda that most Americans, engineer or not, have no clue how they operate.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9756.0,"score_ratio":1.4827586207}
{"post_id":"ugs5wz","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Are there any engineering unions in the USA? If not, why not?","c_root_id_A":"i72n3n0","c_root_id_B":"i72s78y","created_at_utc_A":1651523540,"created_at_utc_B":1651525635,"score_A":20,"score_B":43,"human_ref_A":"That's what we're going to do today, we're going to fight?","human_ref_B":"I love how many of the engineers posting here are convinced they're a 10X engineer","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2095.0,"score_ratio":2.15}
{"post_id":"ugs5wz","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Are there any engineering unions in the USA? If not, why not?","c_root_id_A":"i71tyi7","c_root_id_B":"i72s78y","created_at_utc_A":1651511853,"created_at_utc_B":1651525635,"score_A":14,"score_B":43,"human_ref_A":"In California, there is a union for engineers employed by the state, and it also covers some other job classifications that involve technical work.","human_ref_B":"I love how many of the engineers posting here are convinced they're a 10X engineer","labels":0,"seconds_difference":13782.0,"score_ratio":3.0714285714}
{"post_id":"ugs5wz","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Are there any engineering unions in the USA? If not, why not?","c_root_id_A":"i72s78y","c_root_id_B":"i71mjl6","created_at_utc_A":1651525635,"created_at_utc_B":1651508921,"score_A":43,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"I love how many of the engineers posting here are convinced they're a 10X engineer","human_ref_B":"I think boeing has one but generally no. Usually engineers are considered by unions to be adversarial in the same way as management. They\u2019re salaried professionals and it\u2019s hard to commoditize their labor","labels":1,"seconds_difference":16714.0,"score_ratio":3.3076923077}
{"post_id":"ugs5wz","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Are there any engineering unions in the USA? If not, why not?","c_root_id_A":"i72s78y","c_root_id_B":"i71vm2q","created_at_utc_A":1651525635,"created_at_utc_B":1651512500,"score_A":43,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"I love how many of the engineers posting here are convinced they're a 10X engineer","human_ref_B":"Some federal employees do.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":13135.0,"score_ratio":4.7777777778}
{"post_id":"ugs5wz","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Are there any engineering unions in the USA? If not, why not?","c_root_id_A":"i72s78y","c_root_id_B":"i71o4u7","created_at_utc_A":1651525635,"created_at_utc_B":1651509565,"score_A":43,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"I love how many of the engineers posting here are convinced they're a 10X engineer","human_ref_B":"My dad is actually part of a Stationary Engineers union, and from what I understand, theres multiple localities that have stationary engineering unions. They require Stationary engineering licensure, which often comes in \"grades\" based on your education and skill level, and then you can work up from apprenticeship to journeyman levels through your career. From what I've seen, the highest grade requires a mechanical engineering degree or equivalent experience (determined by that states licensing board) and allows you to work with the highest HP equipment (equipment can be boilers, motors, pumps, chillers, etc.).   At my undergrad, very few people knew that stationary engineering existed at all, but just about every building needs someone to operate and manage the equipment that keep it running, so its fairly reliable work.  I'll try to link the source info below, but Im on mobile, so apologies if it doesn't work.  source","labels":1,"seconds_difference":16070.0,"score_ratio":5.375}
{"post_id":"ugs5wz","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Are there any engineering unions in the USA? If not, why not?","c_root_id_A":"i72s78y","c_root_id_B":"i727qqx","created_at_utc_A":1651525635,"created_at_utc_B":1651517348,"score_A":43,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"I love how many of the engineers posting here are convinced they're a 10X engineer","human_ref_B":"Glad to see this discussion here. I wish there was more unionization in engineering. I was unionized as a graduate student and it was great knowing they had your back and were fighting for better conditions for us.   My perception is that engineering is typically one of the better paid non-executive roles at companies that hire them and so there simply hasn\u2019t been much drive to unionize. I\u2019d love to convince my colleagues to unionize but I just don\u2019t see it happening. Overall my colleagues seem mostly happen with the way things work around here; which to be clear, is a good thing, just not an environment very conducive to labor action. I do strongly believe that nearly every worker should be in a union. Maybe some day\u2026","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8287.0,"score_ratio":7.1666666667}
{"post_id":"ugs5wz","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Are there any engineering unions in the USA? If not, why not?","c_root_id_A":"i71ef4b","c_root_id_B":"i7243ky","created_at_utc_A":1651505611,"created_at_utc_B":1651515879,"score_A":26,"score_B":29,"human_ref_A":"There are a small handful. However they aren't a popular idea among Engineers. Unlike other professions, there is a wide range of talent and skill sets that an Engineer could have.   A union pay scale would be a death sentence for many companies trying to get highly in-demand talent.","human_ref_B":"As you can see in this thread, unions have been so tarnished through propaganda that most Americans, engineer or not, have no clue how they operate.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10268.0,"score_ratio":1.1153846154}
{"post_id":"ugs5wz","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Are there any engineering unions in the USA? If not, why not?","c_root_id_A":"i71tyi7","c_root_id_B":"i7243ky","created_at_utc_A":1651511853,"created_at_utc_B":1651515879,"score_A":14,"score_B":29,"human_ref_A":"In California, there is a union for engineers employed by the state, and it also covers some other job classifications that involve technical work.","human_ref_B":"As you can see in this thread, unions have been so tarnished through propaganda that most Americans, engineer or not, have no clue how they operate.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4026.0,"score_ratio":2.0714285714}
{"post_id":"ugs5wz","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Are there any engineering unions in the USA? If not, why not?","c_root_id_A":"i71mjl6","c_root_id_B":"i7243ky","created_at_utc_A":1651508921,"created_at_utc_B":1651515879,"score_A":13,"score_B":29,"human_ref_A":"I think boeing has one but generally no. Usually engineers are considered by unions to be adversarial in the same way as management. They\u2019re salaried professionals and it\u2019s hard to commoditize their labor","human_ref_B":"As you can see in this thread, unions have been so tarnished through propaganda that most Americans, engineer or not, have no clue how they operate.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6958.0,"score_ratio":2.2307692308}
{"post_id":"ugs5wz","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Are there any engineering unions in the USA? If not, why not?","c_root_id_A":"i71vm2q","c_root_id_B":"i7243ky","created_at_utc_A":1651512500,"created_at_utc_B":1651515879,"score_A":9,"score_B":29,"human_ref_A":"Some federal employees do.","human_ref_B":"As you can see in this thread, unions have been so tarnished through propaganda that most Americans, engineer or not, have no clue how they operate.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3379.0,"score_ratio":3.2222222222}
{"post_id":"ugs5wz","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Are there any engineering unions in the USA? If not, why not?","c_root_id_A":"i71o4u7","c_root_id_B":"i7243ky","created_at_utc_A":1651509565,"created_at_utc_B":1651515879,"score_A":8,"score_B":29,"human_ref_A":"My dad is actually part of a Stationary Engineers union, and from what I understand, theres multiple localities that have stationary engineering unions. They require Stationary engineering licensure, which often comes in \"grades\" based on your education and skill level, and then you can work up from apprenticeship to journeyman levels through your career. From what I've seen, the highest grade requires a mechanical engineering degree or equivalent experience (determined by that states licensing board) and allows you to work with the highest HP equipment (equipment can be boilers, motors, pumps, chillers, etc.).   At my undergrad, very few people knew that stationary engineering existed at all, but just about every building needs someone to operate and manage the equipment that keep it running, so its fairly reliable work.  I'll try to link the source info below, but Im on mobile, so apologies if it doesn't work.  source","human_ref_B":"As you can see in this thread, unions have been so tarnished through propaganda that most Americans, engineer or not, have no clue how they operate.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6314.0,"score_ratio":3.625}
{"post_id":"ugs5wz","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Are there any engineering unions in the USA? If not, why not?","c_root_id_A":"i71tyi7","c_root_id_B":"i72n3n0","created_at_utc_A":1651511853,"created_at_utc_B":1651523540,"score_A":14,"score_B":20,"human_ref_A":"In California, there is a union for engineers employed by the state, and it also covers some other job classifications that involve technical work.","human_ref_B":"That's what we're going to do today, we're going to fight?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11687.0,"score_ratio":1.4285714286}
{"post_id":"ugs5wz","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Are there any engineering unions in the USA? If not, why not?","c_root_id_A":"i72n3n0","c_root_id_B":"i71mjl6","created_at_utc_A":1651523540,"created_at_utc_B":1651508921,"score_A":20,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"That's what we're going to do today, we're going to fight?","human_ref_B":"I think boeing has one but generally no. Usually engineers are considered by unions to be adversarial in the same way as management. They\u2019re salaried professionals and it\u2019s hard to commoditize their labor","labels":1,"seconds_difference":14619.0,"score_ratio":1.5384615385}
{"post_id":"ugs5wz","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Are there any engineering unions in the USA? If not, why not?","c_root_id_A":"i71vm2q","c_root_id_B":"i72n3n0","created_at_utc_A":1651512500,"created_at_utc_B":1651523540,"score_A":9,"score_B":20,"human_ref_A":"Some federal employees do.","human_ref_B":"That's what we're going to do today, we're going to fight?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11040.0,"score_ratio":2.2222222222}
{"post_id":"ugs5wz","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Are there any engineering unions in the USA? If not, why not?","c_root_id_A":"i71o4u7","c_root_id_B":"i72n3n0","created_at_utc_A":1651509565,"created_at_utc_B":1651523540,"score_A":8,"score_B":20,"human_ref_A":"My dad is actually part of a Stationary Engineers union, and from what I understand, theres multiple localities that have stationary engineering unions. They require Stationary engineering licensure, which often comes in \"grades\" based on your education and skill level, and then you can work up from apprenticeship to journeyman levels through your career. From what I've seen, the highest grade requires a mechanical engineering degree or equivalent experience (determined by that states licensing board) and allows you to work with the highest HP equipment (equipment can be boilers, motors, pumps, chillers, etc.).   At my undergrad, very few people knew that stationary engineering existed at all, but just about every building needs someone to operate and manage the equipment that keep it running, so its fairly reliable work.  I'll try to link the source info below, but Im on mobile, so apologies if it doesn't work.  source","human_ref_B":"That's what we're going to do today, we're going to fight?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":13975.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"ugs5wz","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Are there any engineering unions in the USA? If not, why not?","c_root_id_A":"i727qqx","c_root_id_B":"i72n3n0","created_at_utc_A":1651517348,"created_at_utc_B":1651523540,"score_A":6,"score_B":20,"human_ref_A":"Glad to see this discussion here. I wish there was more unionization in engineering. I was unionized as a graduate student and it was great knowing they had your back and were fighting for better conditions for us.   My perception is that engineering is typically one of the better paid non-executive roles at companies that hire them and so there simply hasn\u2019t been much drive to unionize. I\u2019d love to convince my colleagues to unionize but I just don\u2019t see it happening. Overall my colleagues seem mostly happen with the way things work around here; which to be clear, is a good thing, just not an environment very conducive to labor action. I do strongly believe that nearly every worker should be in a union. Maybe some day\u2026","human_ref_B":"That's what we're going to do today, we're going to fight?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6192.0,"score_ratio":3.3333333333}
{"post_id":"ugs5wz","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Are there any engineering unions in the USA? If not, why not?","c_root_id_A":"i71mjl6","c_root_id_B":"i71tyi7","created_at_utc_A":1651508921,"created_at_utc_B":1651511853,"score_A":13,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"I think boeing has one but generally no. Usually engineers are considered by unions to be adversarial in the same way as management. They\u2019re salaried professionals and it\u2019s hard to commoditize their labor","human_ref_B":"In California, there is a union for engineers employed by the state, and it also covers some other job classifications that involve technical work.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2932.0,"score_ratio":1.0769230769}
{"post_id":"ugs5wz","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Are there any engineering unions in the USA? If not, why not?","c_root_id_A":"i71o4u7","c_root_id_B":"i71tyi7","created_at_utc_A":1651509565,"created_at_utc_B":1651511853,"score_A":8,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"My dad is actually part of a Stationary Engineers union, and from what I understand, theres multiple localities that have stationary engineering unions. They require Stationary engineering licensure, which often comes in \"grades\" based on your education and skill level, and then you can work up from apprenticeship to journeyman levels through your career. From what I've seen, the highest grade requires a mechanical engineering degree or equivalent experience (determined by that states licensing board) and allows you to work with the highest HP equipment (equipment can be boilers, motors, pumps, chillers, etc.).   At my undergrad, very few people knew that stationary engineering existed at all, but just about every building needs someone to operate and manage the equipment that keep it running, so its fairly reliable work.  I'll try to link the source info below, but Im on mobile, so apologies if it doesn't work.  source","human_ref_B":"In California, there is a union for engineers employed by the state, and it also covers some other job classifications that involve technical work.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2288.0,"score_ratio":1.75}
{"post_id":"ugs5wz","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Are there any engineering unions in the USA? If not, why not?","c_root_id_A":"i71o4u7","c_root_id_B":"i71vm2q","created_at_utc_A":1651509565,"created_at_utc_B":1651512500,"score_A":8,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"My dad is actually part of a Stationary Engineers union, and from what I understand, theres multiple localities that have stationary engineering unions. They require Stationary engineering licensure, which often comes in \"grades\" based on your education and skill level, and then you can work up from apprenticeship to journeyman levels through your career. From what I've seen, the highest grade requires a mechanical engineering degree or equivalent experience (determined by that states licensing board) and allows you to work with the highest HP equipment (equipment can be boilers, motors, pumps, chillers, etc.).   At my undergrad, very few people knew that stationary engineering existed at all, but just about every building needs someone to operate and manage the equipment that keep it running, so its fairly reliable work.  I'll try to link the source info below, but Im on mobile, so apologies if it doesn't work.  source","human_ref_B":"Some federal employees do.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2935.0,"score_ratio":1.125}
{"post_id":"sgcxas","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"How do people just seem to \"know\" what certain jobs or industries pay in engineering? In my experience in engineering, engineers *love* to talk about what other engineers make. I think the fact that 3\/4 of the discussion on this sub boils down to that will attest, and it happens often at the jobs I've had. I've had a variety of jobs in different industries and roles myself over about a decade of working.  I come from a blue collar background, so I was never inherently familiar with salary negotiation and white collar career growth. A decade out, I've come to notice that the people who progress faster in their career are the ones who have this sixth sense for career growth, when it's time to move, what industries are hot, and things like that. We've all seen examples of someone clearly disconnected from that sixth sense - \"I'm an EE doing embedded systems for 10 years making $65k, is that good\"? And I think I'm aware enough to know ballpark numbers of what's reasonable. But I'm interested in the people who seem to be experts at it.  Both on this sub, and in real life networking, I'll hear phrases like \"Check out Parker Hannifin, they can't hire people fast enough!\" or \"Try Boeing's electronics division, starting salary $130k, minimum\" or \"my buddy tells me 3M is starting a new location in Pennsylvania, they're desperate for people, I heard numbers like $120k being thrown around\" or \"with your experience, you should be getting $150k at least\".  These phrases are usually worded and said with the utmost confidence. And I've always wondered, where do these people get all this information? I thought the general conclusion was that Glassdoor lowballs salaries, just because it doesn't update for inflation or new market conditions. If they're talking with a friend or professional contact who's an engineer, without being the manager or the one hiring, it's very likely that they don't have the full context of what the personnel ramp up or salary range is. In the end, it seems like these confident proclamations essentially come down to anecdotal hearsay.  I did listen to a connection who told me that ASML was ramping up and that it would be a big jump for me. I interviewed and got a job offer from them...and it was within a couple of percent of what I already make. I renegotiated and they said that was the range for the position, and I didn't end up taking it.  I'm so fascinated in this subject because as we know, engineers tend not to be the type to be social butterflies, gossiping at parties about who's dating who. But the second salary and career progression comes up at work, I've seen absolute 180s in personalities and everyone seems to have a buddy who's making 150k-175k here or has salary\/bonuses that blow us out of the water, and be unusually confident about how correct their \"map\" of compensation and salaries for engineers are.  I'm wondering where do these people get this information? Even after being an engineer for over a decade, I've never given my opinion on this subject because I don't know any of this stuff for sure. I'd feel embarrassed speaking with such certainty about something that I feel should actually come with many caveats. My personal career is winding and unique. People exaggerate or underrepresent what they make. But in any discussion about engineering salary, there's no shortage of people giving their 2 cents. Where do they get this information? Is there some secret Glassdoor alternative I don't know about? Is it just a natural effect where the people who are most self-confident are the ones who are more likely to speak up? Should a certain percentage of my week be spent networking with the goal of getting salary information and building a \"map\" of what different job functions and industries pay? Is this \"sixth sense\" BS, or is there a way to develop it?","c_root_id_A":"huvl9bn","c_root_id_B":"huvg92r","created_at_utc_A":1643564495,"created_at_utc_B":1643562587,"score_A":37,"score_B":28,"human_ref_A":"It\u2019s much easier once you\u2019re a hiring manager. I see what the company pay brackets are for the levels I\u2019m hiring at. Then I see who I hire and what industry\/company they come from and how that compares to our company bracket. The brackets tend to be pretty wide so it takes a little bit of hiring to start seeing resolution within the brackets themselves.","human_ref_B":"Places like Levels.fyi , Reddit, etc. etc.  Honestly, salaries for other industries (like accounting) are even more transparent, you can literally search up pay structures within companies and the years of experience to hit certain promotions or pay grades.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1908.0,"score_ratio":1.3214285714}
{"post_id":"sgcxas","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"How do people just seem to \"know\" what certain jobs or industries pay in engineering? In my experience in engineering, engineers *love* to talk about what other engineers make. I think the fact that 3\/4 of the discussion on this sub boils down to that will attest, and it happens often at the jobs I've had. I've had a variety of jobs in different industries and roles myself over about a decade of working.  I come from a blue collar background, so I was never inherently familiar with salary negotiation and white collar career growth. A decade out, I've come to notice that the people who progress faster in their career are the ones who have this sixth sense for career growth, when it's time to move, what industries are hot, and things like that. We've all seen examples of someone clearly disconnected from that sixth sense - \"I'm an EE doing embedded systems for 10 years making $65k, is that good\"? And I think I'm aware enough to know ballpark numbers of what's reasonable. But I'm interested in the people who seem to be experts at it.  Both on this sub, and in real life networking, I'll hear phrases like \"Check out Parker Hannifin, they can't hire people fast enough!\" or \"Try Boeing's electronics division, starting salary $130k, minimum\" or \"my buddy tells me 3M is starting a new location in Pennsylvania, they're desperate for people, I heard numbers like $120k being thrown around\" or \"with your experience, you should be getting $150k at least\".  These phrases are usually worded and said with the utmost confidence. And I've always wondered, where do these people get all this information? I thought the general conclusion was that Glassdoor lowballs salaries, just because it doesn't update for inflation or new market conditions. If they're talking with a friend or professional contact who's an engineer, without being the manager or the one hiring, it's very likely that they don't have the full context of what the personnel ramp up or salary range is. In the end, it seems like these confident proclamations essentially come down to anecdotal hearsay.  I did listen to a connection who told me that ASML was ramping up and that it would be a big jump for me. I interviewed and got a job offer from them...and it was within a couple of percent of what I already make. I renegotiated and they said that was the range for the position, and I didn't end up taking it.  I'm so fascinated in this subject because as we know, engineers tend not to be the type to be social butterflies, gossiping at parties about who's dating who. But the second salary and career progression comes up at work, I've seen absolute 180s in personalities and everyone seems to have a buddy who's making 150k-175k here or has salary\/bonuses that blow us out of the water, and be unusually confident about how correct their \"map\" of compensation and salaries for engineers are.  I'm wondering where do these people get this information? Even after being an engineer for over a decade, I've never given my opinion on this subject because I don't know any of this stuff for sure. I'd feel embarrassed speaking with such certainty about something that I feel should actually come with many caveats. My personal career is winding and unique. People exaggerate or underrepresent what they make. But in any discussion about engineering salary, there's no shortage of people giving their 2 cents. Where do they get this information? Is there some secret Glassdoor alternative I don't know about? Is it just a natural effect where the people who are most self-confident are the ones who are more likely to speak up? Should a certain percentage of my week be spent networking with the goal of getting salary information and building a \"map\" of what different job functions and industries pay? Is this \"sixth sense\" BS, or is there a way to develop it?","c_root_id_A":"huvhk4n","c_root_id_B":"huvl9bn","created_at_utc_A":1643563092,"created_at_utc_B":1643564495,"score_A":27,"score_B":37,"human_ref_A":"You can generally find out the range of positions within your company and if you talk to people within those programs you can get even more specific numbers. And we just had our all hands meeting where they said they are going on a hiring spree.  I also just got an email that said one location is so desperate to hire people that no matter your current salary, they will give you a 25% bump and pay the cost for food and housing and then send you back home whenever you want.  As you meet people through work they can also share this info with you and you can find out more about your industry.","human_ref_B":"It\u2019s much easier once you\u2019re a hiring manager. I see what the company pay brackets are for the levels I\u2019m hiring at. Then I see who I hire and what industry\/company they come from and how that compares to our company bracket. The brackets tend to be pretty wide so it takes a little bit of hiring to start seeing resolution within the brackets themselves.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1403.0,"score_ratio":1.3703703704}
{"post_id":"sgcxas","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"How do people just seem to \"know\" what certain jobs or industries pay in engineering? In my experience in engineering, engineers *love* to talk about what other engineers make. I think the fact that 3\/4 of the discussion on this sub boils down to that will attest, and it happens often at the jobs I've had. I've had a variety of jobs in different industries and roles myself over about a decade of working.  I come from a blue collar background, so I was never inherently familiar with salary negotiation and white collar career growth. A decade out, I've come to notice that the people who progress faster in their career are the ones who have this sixth sense for career growth, when it's time to move, what industries are hot, and things like that. We've all seen examples of someone clearly disconnected from that sixth sense - \"I'm an EE doing embedded systems for 10 years making $65k, is that good\"? And I think I'm aware enough to know ballpark numbers of what's reasonable. But I'm interested in the people who seem to be experts at it.  Both on this sub, and in real life networking, I'll hear phrases like \"Check out Parker Hannifin, they can't hire people fast enough!\" or \"Try Boeing's electronics division, starting salary $130k, minimum\" or \"my buddy tells me 3M is starting a new location in Pennsylvania, they're desperate for people, I heard numbers like $120k being thrown around\" or \"with your experience, you should be getting $150k at least\".  These phrases are usually worded and said with the utmost confidence. And I've always wondered, where do these people get all this information? I thought the general conclusion was that Glassdoor lowballs salaries, just because it doesn't update for inflation or new market conditions. If they're talking with a friend or professional contact who's an engineer, without being the manager or the one hiring, it's very likely that they don't have the full context of what the personnel ramp up or salary range is. In the end, it seems like these confident proclamations essentially come down to anecdotal hearsay.  I did listen to a connection who told me that ASML was ramping up and that it would be a big jump for me. I interviewed and got a job offer from them...and it was within a couple of percent of what I already make. I renegotiated and they said that was the range for the position, and I didn't end up taking it.  I'm so fascinated in this subject because as we know, engineers tend not to be the type to be social butterflies, gossiping at parties about who's dating who. But the second salary and career progression comes up at work, I've seen absolute 180s in personalities and everyone seems to have a buddy who's making 150k-175k here or has salary\/bonuses that blow us out of the water, and be unusually confident about how correct their \"map\" of compensation and salaries for engineers are.  I'm wondering where do these people get this information? Even after being an engineer for over a decade, I've never given my opinion on this subject because I don't know any of this stuff for sure. I'd feel embarrassed speaking with such certainty about something that I feel should actually come with many caveats. My personal career is winding and unique. People exaggerate or underrepresent what they make. But in any discussion about engineering salary, there's no shortage of people giving their 2 cents. Where do they get this information? Is there some secret Glassdoor alternative I don't know about? Is it just a natural effect where the people who are most self-confident are the ones who are more likely to speak up? Should a certain percentage of my week be spent networking with the goal of getting salary information and building a \"map\" of what different job functions and industries pay? Is this \"sixth sense\" BS, or is there a way to develop it?","c_root_id_A":"huveshf","c_root_id_B":"huvl9bn","created_at_utc_A":1643562025,"created_at_utc_B":1643564495,"score_A":27,"score_B":37,"human_ref_A":"Honestly most people, talking about most things, are uninformed at best or lying at worst.  In my mind this is just the nature of conversation; lf you don't talk about anything you aren't 100% confident on you will never speak, and if you don't speak confidently you tend to be seen as a poor conversationalist.  This is one of the things I had to discover as my career progressed, there are few people that care as much about objective fact more than engineers, and even they are glossing over the holes in their knowlege most of the time. Try taking a coworker and get them to walk you through what they actually do, step by step, and ask about the specifics. As a young engineer I did this a lot, and not one person I met could answer all of my questions accurately.   I also realised that talking to people who hedge their every statement in 'maybe' and 'should' are generally profoundly difficult to actually talk to. My brain just doesn't bother storing what they say after a while, since it's by their own admission likely not correct.  And it's also worth noting that in most careers the salary you are given is not public knowledge, and as such is word-of-mouth by it's very nature. It's very rarely accurate, and often filtered through layers and layers of exaggeration - which is the heart of many good stories, love it or hate it.","human_ref_B":"It\u2019s much easier once you\u2019re a hiring manager. I see what the company pay brackets are for the levels I\u2019m hiring at. Then I see who I hire and what industry\/company they come from and how that compares to our company bracket. The brackets tend to be pretty wide so it takes a little bit of hiring to start seeing resolution within the brackets themselves.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2470.0,"score_ratio":1.3703703704}
{"post_id":"sgcxas","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"How do people just seem to \"know\" what certain jobs or industries pay in engineering? In my experience in engineering, engineers *love* to talk about what other engineers make. I think the fact that 3\/4 of the discussion on this sub boils down to that will attest, and it happens often at the jobs I've had. I've had a variety of jobs in different industries and roles myself over about a decade of working.  I come from a blue collar background, so I was never inherently familiar with salary negotiation and white collar career growth. A decade out, I've come to notice that the people who progress faster in their career are the ones who have this sixth sense for career growth, when it's time to move, what industries are hot, and things like that. We've all seen examples of someone clearly disconnected from that sixth sense - \"I'm an EE doing embedded systems for 10 years making $65k, is that good\"? And I think I'm aware enough to know ballpark numbers of what's reasonable. But I'm interested in the people who seem to be experts at it.  Both on this sub, and in real life networking, I'll hear phrases like \"Check out Parker Hannifin, they can't hire people fast enough!\" or \"Try Boeing's electronics division, starting salary $130k, minimum\" or \"my buddy tells me 3M is starting a new location in Pennsylvania, they're desperate for people, I heard numbers like $120k being thrown around\" or \"with your experience, you should be getting $150k at least\".  These phrases are usually worded and said with the utmost confidence. And I've always wondered, where do these people get all this information? I thought the general conclusion was that Glassdoor lowballs salaries, just because it doesn't update for inflation or new market conditions. If they're talking with a friend or professional contact who's an engineer, without being the manager or the one hiring, it's very likely that they don't have the full context of what the personnel ramp up or salary range is. In the end, it seems like these confident proclamations essentially come down to anecdotal hearsay.  I did listen to a connection who told me that ASML was ramping up and that it would be a big jump for me. I interviewed and got a job offer from them...and it was within a couple of percent of what I already make. I renegotiated and they said that was the range for the position, and I didn't end up taking it.  I'm so fascinated in this subject because as we know, engineers tend not to be the type to be social butterflies, gossiping at parties about who's dating who. But the second salary and career progression comes up at work, I've seen absolute 180s in personalities and everyone seems to have a buddy who's making 150k-175k here or has salary\/bonuses that blow us out of the water, and be unusually confident about how correct their \"map\" of compensation and salaries for engineers are.  I'm wondering where do these people get this information? Even after being an engineer for over a decade, I've never given my opinion on this subject because I don't know any of this stuff for sure. I'd feel embarrassed speaking with such certainty about something that I feel should actually come with many caveats. My personal career is winding and unique. People exaggerate or underrepresent what they make. But in any discussion about engineering salary, there's no shortage of people giving their 2 cents. Where do they get this information? Is there some secret Glassdoor alternative I don't know about? Is it just a natural effect where the people who are most self-confident are the ones who are more likely to speak up? Should a certain percentage of my week be spent networking with the goal of getting salary information and building a \"map\" of what different job functions and industries pay? Is this \"sixth sense\" BS, or is there a way to develop it?","c_root_id_A":"huvjg3g","c_root_id_B":"huvl9bn","created_at_utc_A":1643563804,"created_at_utc_B":1643564495,"score_A":6,"score_B":37,"human_ref_A":"I generally will ask the rate if I get called by a recruiter, you can get an idea of what pay is for positions they are calling for like by that.","human_ref_B":"It\u2019s much easier once you\u2019re a hiring manager. I see what the company pay brackets are for the levels I\u2019m hiring at. Then I see who I hire and what industry\/company they come from and how that compares to our company bracket. The brackets tend to be pretty wide so it takes a little bit of hiring to start seeing resolution within the brackets themselves.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":691.0,"score_ratio":6.1666666667}
{"post_id":"sgcxas","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"How do people just seem to \"know\" what certain jobs or industries pay in engineering? In my experience in engineering, engineers *love* to talk about what other engineers make. I think the fact that 3\/4 of the discussion on this sub boils down to that will attest, and it happens often at the jobs I've had. I've had a variety of jobs in different industries and roles myself over about a decade of working.  I come from a blue collar background, so I was never inherently familiar with salary negotiation and white collar career growth. A decade out, I've come to notice that the people who progress faster in their career are the ones who have this sixth sense for career growth, when it's time to move, what industries are hot, and things like that. We've all seen examples of someone clearly disconnected from that sixth sense - \"I'm an EE doing embedded systems for 10 years making $65k, is that good\"? And I think I'm aware enough to know ballpark numbers of what's reasonable. But I'm interested in the people who seem to be experts at it.  Both on this sub, and in real life networking, I'll hear phrases like \"Check out Parker Hannifin, they can't hire people fast enough!\" or \"Try Boeing's electronics division, starting salary $130k, minimum\" or \"my buddy tells me 3M is starting a new location in Pennsylvania, they're desperate for people, I heard numbers like $120k being thrown around\" or \"with your experience, you should be getting $150k at least\".  These phrases are usually worded and said with the utmost confidence. And I've always wondered, where do these people get all this information? I thought the general conclusion was that Glassdoor lowballs salaries, just because it doesn't update for inflation or new market conditions. If they're talking with a friend or professional contact who's an engineer, without being the manager or the one hiring, it's very likely that they don't have the full context of what the personnel ramp up or salary range is. In the end, it seems like these confident proclamations essentially come down to anecdotal hearsay.  I did listen to a connection who told me that ASML was ramping up and that it would be a big jump for me. I interviewed and got a job offer from them...and it was within a couple of percent of what I already make. I renegotiated and they said that was the range for the position, and I didn't end up taking it.  I'm so fascinated in this subject because as we know, engineers tend not to be the type to be social butterflies, gossiping at parties about who's dating who. But the second salary and career progression comes up at work, I've seen absolute 180s in personalities and everyone seems to have a buddy who's making 150k-175k here or has salary\/bonuses that blow us out of the water, and be unusually confident about how correct their \"map\" of compensation and salaries for engineers are.  I'm wondering where do these people get this information? Even after being an engineer for over a decade, I've never given my opinion on this subject because I don't know any of this stuff for sure. I'd feel embarrassed speaking with such certainty about something that I feel should actually come with many caveats. My personal career is winding and unique. People exaggerate or underrepresent what they make. But in any discussion about engineering salary, there's no shortage of people giving their 2 cents. Where do they get this information? Is there some secret Glassdoor alternative I don't know about? Is it just a natural effect where the people who are most self-confident are the ones who are more likely to speak up? Should a certain percentage of my week be spent networking with the goal of getting salary information and building a \"map\" of what different job functions and industries pay? Is this \"sixth sense\" BS, or is there a way to develop it?","c_root_id_A":"huvg92r","c_root_id_B":"huveshf","created_at_utc_A":1643562587,"created_at_utc_B":1643562025,"score_A":28,"score_B":27,"human_ref_A":"Places like Levels.fyi , Reddit, etc. etc.  Honestly, salaries for other industries (like accounting) are even more transparent, you can literally search up pay structures within companies and the years of experience to hit certain promotions or pay grades.","human_ref_B":"Honestly most people, talking about most things, are uninformed at best or lying at worst.  In my mind this is just the nature of conversation; lf you don't talk about anything you aren't 100% confident on you will never speak, and if you don't speak confidently you tend to be seen as a poor conversationalist.  This is one of the things I had to discover as my career progressed, there are few people that care as much about objective fact more than engineers, and even they are glossing over the holes in their knowlege most of the time. Try taking a coworker and get them to walk you through what they actually do, step by step, and ask about the specifics. As a young engineer I did this a lot, and not one person I met could answer all of my questions accurately.   I also realised that talking to people who hedge their every statement in 'maybe' and 'should' are generally profoundly difficult to actually talk to. My brain just doesn't bother storing what they say after a while, since it's by their own admission likely not correct.  And it's also worth noting that in most careers the salary you are given is not public knowledge, and as such is word-of-mouth by it's very nature. It's very rarely accurate, and often filtered through layers and layers of exaggeration - which is the heart of many good stories, love it or hate it.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":562.0,"score_ratio":1.037037037}
{"post_id":"sgcxas","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"How do people just seem to \"know\" what certain jobs or industries pay in engineering? In my experience in engineering, engineers *love* to talk about what other engineers make. I think the fact that 3\/4 of the discussion on this sub boils down to that will attest, and it happens often at the jobs I've had. I've had a variety of jobs in different industries and roles myself over about a decade of working.  I come from a blue collar background, so I was never inherently familiar with salary negotiation and white collar career growth. A decade out, I've come to notice that the people who progress faster in their career are the ones who have this sixth sense for career growth, when it's time to move, what industries are hot, and things like that. We've all seen examples of someone clearly disconnected from that sixth sense - \"I'm an EE doing embedded systems for 10 years making $65k, is that good\"? And I think I'm aware enough to know ballpark numbers of what's reasonable. But I'm interested in the people who seem to be experts at it.  Both on this sub, and in real life networking, I'll hear phrases like \"Check out Parker Hannifin, they can't hire people fast enough!\" or \"Try Boeing's electronics division, starting salary $130k, minimum\" or \"my buddy tells me 3M is starting a new location in Pennsylvania, they're desperate for people, I heard numbers like $120k being thrown around\" or \"with your experience, you should be getting $150k at least\".  These phrases are usually worded and said with the utmost confidence. And I've always wondered, where do these people get all this information? I thought the general conclusion was that Glassdoor lowballs salaries, just because it doesn't update for inflation or new market conditions. If they're talking with a friend or professional contact who's an engineer, without being the manager or the one hiring, it's very likely that they don't have the full context of what the personnel ramp up or salary range is. In the end, it seems like these confident proclamations essentially come down to anecdotal hearsay.  I did listen to a connection who told me that ASML was ramping up and that it would be a big jump for me. I interviewed and got a job offer from them...and it was within a couple of percent of what I already make. I renegotiated and they said that was the range for the position, and I didn't end up taking it.  I'm so fascinated in this subject because as we know, engineers tend not to be the type to be social butterflies, gossiping at parties about who's dating who. But the second salary and career progression comes up at work, I've seen absolute 180s in personalities and everyone seems to have a buddy who's making 150k-175k here or has salary\/bonuses that blow us out of the water, and be unusually confident about how correct their \"map\" of compensation and salaries for engineers are.  I'm wondering where do these people get this information? Even after being an engineer for over a decade, I've never given my opinion on this subject because I don't know any of this stuff for sure. I'd feel embarrassed speaking with such certainty about something that I feel should actually come with many caveats. My personal career is winding and unique. People exaggerate or underrepresent what they make. But in any discussion about engineering salary, there's no shortage of people giving their 2 cents. Where do they get this information? Is there some secret Glassdoor alternative I don't know about? Is it just a natural effect where the people who are most self-confident are the ones who are more likely to speak up? Should a certain percentage of my week be spent networking with the goal of getting salary information and building a \"map\" of what different job functions and industries pay? Is this \"sixth sense\" BS, or is there a way to develop it?","c_root_id_A":"huvlllu","c_root_id_B":"huvjg3g","created_at_utc_A":1643564625,"created_at_utc_B":1643563804,"score_A":21,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"People will contact me on LinkedIn for jobs really frequently, and I'll ask them what the range on the position is, regardless of if I'm interested in the role.  Usually, they'll tell you.","human_ref_B":"I generally will ask the rate if I get called by a recruiter, you can get an idea of what pay is for positions they are calling for like by that.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":821.0,"score_ratio":3.5}
{"post_id":"sgcxas","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"How do people just seem to \"know\" what certain jobs or industries pay in engineering? In my experience in engineering, engineers *love* to talk about what other engineers make. I think the fact that 3\/4 of the discussion on this sub boils down to that will attest, and it happens often at the jobs I've had. I've had a variety of jobs in different industries and roles myself over about a decade of working.  I come from a blue collar background, so I was never inherently familiar with salary negotiation and white collar career growth. A decade out, I've come to notice that the people who progress faster in their career are the ones who have this sixth sense for career growth, when it's time to move, what industries are hot, and things like that. We've all seen examples of someone clearly disconnected from that sixth sense - \"I'm an EE doing embedded systems for 10 years making $65k, is that good\"? And I think I'm aware enough to know ballpark numbers of what's reasonable. But I'm interested in the people who seem to be experts at it.  Both on this sub, and in real life networking, I'll hear phrases like \"Check out Parker Hannifin, they can't hire people fast enough!\" or \"Try Boeing's electronics division, starting salary $130k, minimum\" or \"my buddy tells me 3M is starting a new location in Pennsylvania, they're desperate for people, I heard numbers like $120k being thrown around\" or \"with your experience, you should be getting $150k at least\".  These phrases are usually worded and said with the utmost confidence. And I've always wondered, where do these people get all this information? I thought the general conclusion was that Glassdoor lowballs salaries, just because it doesn't update for inflation or new market conditions. If they're talking with a friend or professional contact who's an engineer, without being the manager or the one hiring, it's very likely that they don't have the full context of what the personnel ramp up or salary range is. In the end, it seems like these confident proclamations essentially come down to anecdotal hearsay.  I did listen to a connection who told me that ASML was ramping up and that it would be a big jump for me. I interviewed and got a job offer from them...and it was within a couple of percent of what I already make. I renegotiated and they said that was the range for the position, and I didn't end up taking it.  I'm so fascinated in this subject because as we know, engineers tend not to be the type to be social butterflies, gossiping at parties about who's dating who. But the second salary and career progression comes up at work, I've seen absolute 180s in personalities and everyone seems to have a buddy who's making 150k-175k here or has salary\/bonuses that blow us out of the water, and be unusually confident about how correct their \"map\" of compensation and salaries for engineers are.  I'm wondering where do these people get this information? Even after being an engineer for over a decade, I've never given my opinion on this subject because I don't know any of this stuff for sure. I'd feel embarrassed speaking with such certainty about something that I feel should actually come with many caveats. My personal career is winding and unique. People exaggerate or underrepresent what they make. But in any discussion about engineering salary, there's no shortage of people giving their 2 cents. Where do they get this information? Is there some secret Glassdoor alternative I don't know about? Is it just a natural effect where the people who are most self-confident are the ones who are more likely to speak up? Should a certain percentage of my week be spent networking with the goal of getting salary information and building a \"map\" of what different job functions and industries pay? Is this \"sixth sense\" BS, or is there a way to develop it?","c_root_id_A":"huvm30t","c_root_id_B":"huvowoe","created_at_utc_A":1643564811,"created_at_utc_B":1643565887,"score_A":8,"score_B":16,"human_ref_A":"When people on LinkedIn try and headhunt me, it tells me a lot about many industries. Lots of recruiters don't read profiles, they just do queries and then tell people about a job and pay rate. I then tell other people because even though i don't want a job, that info is valuable to others.","human_ref_B":"I have a tip that works for any occupation, really.  Colorado apparently has new salary transparency laws on the books, so it's as simple as going on Indeed, looking for a similar post in Denver or CS, and adjusting that salary to your city's CoL (plethora of calculators online).","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1076.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"sgcxas","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"How do people just seem to \"know\" what certain jobs or industries pay in engineering? In my experience in engineering, engineers *love* to talk about what other engineers make. I think the fact that 3\/4 of the discussion on this sub boils down to that will attest, and it happens often at the jobs I've had. I've had a variety of jobs in different industries and roles myself over about a decade of working.  I come from a blue collar background, so I was never inherently familiar with salary negotiation and white collar career growth. A decade out, I've come to notice that the people who progress faster in their career are the ones who have this sixth sense for career growth, when it's time to move, what industries are hot, and things like that. We've all seen examples of someone clearly disconnected from that sixth sense - \"I'm an EE doing embedded systems for 10 years making $65k, is that good\"? And I think I'm aware enough to know ballpark numbers of what's reasonable. But I'm interested in the people who seem to be experts at it.  Both on this sub, and in real life networking, I'll hear phrases like \"Check out Parker Hannifin, they can't hire people fast enough!\" or \"Try Boeing's electronics division, starting salary $130k, minimum\" or \"my buddy tells me 3M is starting a new location in Pennsylvania, they're desperate for people, I heard numbers like $120k being thrown around\" or \"with your experience, you should be getting $150k at least\".  These phrases are usually worded and said with the utmost confidence. And I've always wondered, where do these people get all this information? I thought the general conclusion was that Glassdoor lowballs salaries, just because it doesn't update for inflation or new market conditions. If they're talking with a friend or professional contact who's an engineer, without being the manager or the one hiring, it's very likely that they don't have the full context of what the personnel ramp up or salary range is. In the end, it seems like these confident proclamations essentially come down to anecdotal hearsay.  I did listen to a connection who told me that ASML was ramping up and that it would be a big jump for me. I interviewed and got a job offer from them...and it was within a couple of percent of what I already make. I renegotiated and they said that was the range for the position, and I didn't end up taking it.  I'm so fascinated in this subject because as we know, engineers tend not to be the type to be social butterflies, gossiping at parties about who's dating who. But the second salary and career progression comes up at work, I've seen absolute 180s in personalities and everyone seems to have a buddy who's making 150k-175k here or has salary\/bonuses that blow us out of the water, and be unusually confident about how correct their \"map\" of compensation and salaries for engineers are.  I'm wondering where do these people get this information? Even after being an engineer for over a decade, I've never given my opinion on this subject because I don't know any of this stuff for sure. I'd feel embarrassed speaking with such certainty about something that I feel should actually come with many caveats. My personal career is winding and unique. People exaggerate or underrepresent what they make. But in any discussion about engineering salary, there's no shortage of people giving their 2 cents. Where do they get this information? Is there some secret Glassdoor alternative I don't know about? Is it just a natural effect where the people who are most self-confident are the ones who are more likely to speak up? Should a certain percentage of my week be spent networking with the goal of getting salary information and building a \"map\" of what different job functions and industries pay? Is this \"sixth sense\" BS, or is there a way to develop it?","c_root_id_A":"huvjg3g","c_root_id_B":"huvowoe","created_at_utc_A":1643563804,"created_at_utc_B":1643565887,"score_A":6,"score_B":16,"human_ref_A":"I generally will ask the rate if I get called by a recruiter, you can get an idea of what pay is for positions they are calling for like by that.","human_ref_B":"I have a tip that works for any occupation, really.  Colorado apparently has new salary transparency laws on the books, so it's as simple as going on Indeed, looking for a similar post in Denver or CS, and adjusting that salary to your city's CoL (plethora of calculators online).","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2083.0,"score_ratio":2.6666666667}
{"post_id":"sgcxas","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"How do people just seem to \"know\" what certain jobs or industries pay in engineering? In my experience in engineering, engineers *love* to talk about what other engineers make. I think the fact that 3\/4 of the discussion on this sub boils down to that will attest, and it happens often at the jobs I've had. I've had a variety of jobs in different industries and roles myself over about a decade of working.  I come from a blue collar background, so I was never inherently familiar with salary negotiation and white collar career growth. A decade out, I've come to notice that the people who progress faster in their career are the ones who have this sixth sense for career growth, when it's time to move, what industries are hot, and things like that. We've all seen examples of someone clearly disconnected from that sixth sense - \"I'm an EE doing embedded systems for 10 years making $65k, is that good\"? And I think I'm aware enough to know ballpark numbers of what's reasonable. But I'm interested in the people who seem to be experts at it.  Both on this sub, and in real life networking, I'll hear phrases like \"Check out Parker Hannifin, they can't hire people fast enough!\" or \"Try Boeing's electronics division, starting salary $130k, minimum\" or \"my buddy tells me 3M is starting a new location in Pennsylvania, they're desperate for people, I heard numbers like $120k being thrown around\" or \"with your experience, you should be getting $150k at least\".  These phrases are usually worded and said with the utmost confidence. And I've always wondered, where do these people get all this information? I thought the general conclusion was that Glassdoor lowballs salaries, just because it doesn't update for inflation or new market conditions. If they're talking with a friend or professional contact who's an engineer, without being the manager or the one hiring, it's very likely that they don't have the full context of what the personnel ramp up or salary range is. In the end, it seems like these confident proclamations essentially come down to anecdotal hearsay.  I did listen to a connection who told me that ASML was ramping up and that it would be a big jump for me. I interviewed and got a job offer from them...and it was within a couple of percent of what I already make. I renegotiated and they said that was the range for the position, and I didn't end up taking it.  I'm so fascinated in this subject because as we know, engineers tend not to be the type to be social butterflies, gossiping at parties about who's dating who. But the second salary and career progression comes up at work, I've seen absolute 180s in personalities and everyone seems to have a buddy who's making 150k-175k here or has salary\/bonuses that blow us out of the water, and be unusually confident about how correct their \"map\" of compensation and salaries for engineers are.  I'm wondering where do these people get this information? Even after being an engineer for over a decade, I've never given my opinion on this subject because I don't know any of this stuff for sure. I'd feel embarrassed speaking with such certainty about something that I feel should actually come with many caveats. My personal career is winding and unique. People exaggerate or underrepresent what they make. But in any discussion about engineering salary, there's no shortage of people giving their 2 cents. Where do they get this information? Is there some secret Glassdoor alternative I don't know about? Is it just a natural effect where the people who are most self-confident are the ones who are more likely to speak up? Should a certain percentage of my week be spent networking with the goal of getting salary information and building a \"map\" of what different job functions and industries pay? Is this \"sixth sense\" BS, or is there a way to develop it?","c_root_id_A":"huvowoe","c_root_id_B":"huvngcq","created_at_utc_A":1643565887,"created_at_utc_B":1643565333,"score_A":16,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I have a tip that works for any occupation, really.  Colorado apparently has new salary transparency laws on the books, so it's as simple as going on Indeed, looking for a similar post in Denver or CS, and adjusting that salary to your city's CoL (plethora of calculators online).","human_ref_B":"Part of my job is managing the budgets for my projects, where I can see the raw rate and billable rate whenever anyone charges to them.  In a large corporation this has exposed me to the exact salary of a wide range of positions.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":554.0,"score_ratio":5.3333333333}
{"post_id":"sgcxas","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"How do people just seem to \"know\" what certain jobs or industries pay in engineering? In my experience in engineering, engineers *love* to talk about what other engineers make. I think the fact that 3\/4 of the discussion on this sub boils down to that will attest, and it happens often at the jobs I've had. I've had a variety of jobs in different industries and roles myself over about a decade of working.  I come from a blue collar background, so I was never inherently familiar with salary negotiation and white collar career growth. A decade out, I've come to notice that the people who progress faster in their career are the ones who have this sixth sense for career growth, when it's time to move, what industries are hot, and things like that. We've all seen examples of someone clearly disconnected from that sixth sense - \"I'm an EE doing embedded systems for 10 years making $65k, is that good\"? And I think I'm aware enough to know ballpark numbers of what's reasonable. But I'm interested in the people who seem to be experts at it.  Both on this sub, and in real life networking, I'll hear phrases like \"Check out Parker Hannifin, they can't hire people fast enough!\" or \"Try Boeing's electronics division, starting salary $130k, minimum\" or \"my buddy tells me 3M is starting a new location in Pennsylvania, they're desperate for people, I heard numbers like $120k being thrown around\" or \"with your experience, you should be getting $150k at least\".  These phrases are usually worded and said with the utmost confidence. And I've always wondered, where do these people get all this information? I thought the general conclusion was that Glassdoor lowballs salaries, just because it doesn't update for inflation or new market conditions. If they're talking with a friend or professional contact who's an engineer, without being the manager or the one hiring, it's very likely that they don't have the full context of what the personnel ramp up or salary range is. In the end, it seems like these confident proclamations essentially come down to anecdotal hearsay.  I did listen to a connection who told me that ASML was ramping up and that it would be a big jump for me. I interviewed and got a job offer from them...and it was within a couple of percent of what I already make. I renegotiated and they said that was the range for the position, and I didn't end up taking it.  I'm so fascinated in this subject because as we know, engineers tend not to be the type to be social butterflies, gossiping at parties about who's dating who. But the second salary and career progression comes up at work, I've seen absolute 180s in personalities and everyone seems to have a buddy who's making 150k-175k here or has salary\/bonuses that blow us out of the water, and be unusually confident about how correct their \"map\" of compensation and salaries for engineers are.  I'm wondering where do these people get this information? Even after being an engineer for over a decade, I've never given my opinion on this subject because I don't know any of this stuff for sure. I'd feel embarrassed speaking with such certainty about something that I feel should actually come with many caveats. My personal career is winding and unique. People exaggerate or underrepresent what they make. But in any discussion about engineering salary, there's no shortage of people giving their 2 cents. Where do they get this information? Is there some secret Glassdoor alternative I don't know about? Is it just a natural effect where the people who are most self-confident are the ones who are more likely to speak up? Should a certain percentage of my week be spent networking with the goal of getting salary information and building a \"map\" of what different job functions and industries pay? Is this \"sixth sense\" BS, or is there a way to develop it?","c_root_id_A":"huvm30t","c_root_id_B":"huvjg3g","created_at_utc_A":1643564811,"created_at_utc_B":1643563804,"score_A":8,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"When people on LinkedIn try and headhunt me, it tells me a lot about many industries. Lots of recruiters don't read profiles, they just do queries and then tell people about a job and pay rate. I then tell other people because even though i don't want a job, that info is valuable to others.","human_ref_B":"I generally will ask the rate if I get called by a recruiter, you can get an idea of what pay is for positions they are calling for like by that.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1007.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"sgcxas","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"How do people just seem to \"know\" what certain jobs or industries pay in engineering? In my experience in engineering, engineers *love* to talk about what other engineers make. I think the fact that 3\/4 of the discussion on this sub boils down to that will attest, and it happens often at the jobs I've had. I've had a variety of jobs in different industries and roles myself over about a decade of working.  I come from a blue collar background, so I was never inherently familiar with salary negotiation and white collar career growth. A decade out, I've come to notice that the people who progress faster in their career are the ones who have this sixth sense for career growth, when it's time to move, what industries are hot, and things like that. We've all seen examples of someone clearly disconnected from that sixth sense - \"I'm an EE doing embedded systems for 10 years making $65k, is that good\"? And I think I'm aware enough to know ballpark numbers of what's reasonable. But I'm interested in the people who seem to be experts at it.  Both on this sub, and in real life networking, I'll hear phrases like \"Check out Parker Hannifin, they can't hire people fast enough!\" or \"Try Boeing's electronics division, starting salary $130k, minimum\" or \"my buddy tells me 3M is starting a new location in Pennsylvania, they're desperate for people, I heard numbers like $120k being thrown around\" or \"with your experience, you should be getting $150k at least\".  These phrases are usually worded and said with the utmost confidence. And I've always wondered, where do these people get all this information? I thought the general conclusion was that Glassdoor lowballs salaries, just because it doesn't update for inflation or new market conditions. If they're talking with a friend or professional contact who's an engineer, without being the manager or the one hiring, it's very likely that they don't have the full context of what the personnel ramp up or salary range is. In the end, it seems like these confident proclamations essentially come down to anecdotal hearsay.  I did listen to a connection who told me that ASML was ramping up and that it would be a big jump for me. I interviewed and got a job offer from them...and it was within a couple of percent of what I already make. I renegotiated and they said that was the range for the position, and I didn't end up taking it.  I'm so fascinated in this subject because as we know, engineers tend not to be the type to be social butterflies, gossiping at parties about who's dating who. But the second salary and career progression comes up at work, I've seen absolute 180s in personalities and everyone seems to have a buddy who's making 150k-175k here or has salary\/bonuses that blow us out of the water, and be unusually confident about how correct their \"map\" of compensation and salaries for engineers are.  I'm wondering where do these people get this information? Even after being an engineer for over a decade, I've never given my opinion on this subject because I don't know any of this stuff for sure. I'd feel embarrassed speaking with such certainty about something that I feel should actually come with many caveats. My personal career is winding and unique. People exaggerate or underrepresent what they make. But in any discussion about engineering salary, there's no shortage of people giving their 2 cents. Where do they get this information? Is there some secret Glassdoor alternative I don't know about? Is it just a natural effect where the people who are most self-confident are the ones who are more likely to speak up? Should a certain percentage of my week be spent networking with the goal of getting salary information and building a \"map\" of what different job functions and industries pay? Is this \"sixth sense\" BS, or is there a way to develop it?","c_root_id_A":"huvpn16","c_root_id_B":"huvjg3g","created_at_utc_A":1643566165,"created_at_utc_B":1643563804,"score_A":8,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Pay transparency is becoming more common. I won\u2019t even apply for a role unless they list a pay range or it is a well known tech company that pays well.","human_ref_B":"I generally will ask the rate if I get called by a recruiter, you can get an idea of what pay is for positions they are calling for like by that.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2361.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"sgcxas","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"How do people just seem to \"know\" what certain jobs or industries pay in engineering? In my experience in engineering, engineers *love* to talk about what other engineers make. I think the fact that 3\/4 of the discussion on this sub boils down to that will attest, and it happens often at the jobs I've had. I've had a variety of jobs in different industries and roles myself over about a decade of working.  I come from a blue collar background, so I was never inherently familiar with salary negotiation and white collar career growth. A decade out, I've come to notice that the people who progress faster in their career are the ones who have this sixth sense for career growth, when it's time to move, what industries are hot, and things like that. We've all seen examples of someone clearly disconnected from that sixth sense - \"I'm an EE doing embedded systems for 10 years making $65k, is that good\"? And I think I'm aware enough to know ballpark numbers of what's reasonable. But I'm interested in the people who seem to be experts at it.  Both on this sub, and in real life networking, I'll hear phrases like \"Check out Parker Hannifin, they can't hire people fast enough!\" or \"Try Boeing's electronics division, starting salary $130k, minimum\" or \"my buddy tells me 3M is starting a new location in Pennsylvania, they're desperate for people, I heard numbers like $120k being thrown around\" or \"with your experience, you should be getting $150k at least\".  These phrases are usually worded and said with the utmost confidence. And I've always wondered, where do these people get all this information? I thought the general conclusion was that Glassdoor lowballs salaries, just because it doesn't update for inflation or new market conditions. If they're talking with a friend or professional contact who's an engineer, without being the manager or the one hiring, it's very likely that they don't have the full context of what the personnel ramp up or salary range is. In the end, it seems like these confident proclamations essentially come down to anecdotal hearsay.  I did listen to a connection who told me that ASML was ramping up and that it would be a big jump for me. I interviewed and got a job offer from them...and it was within a couple of percent of what I already make. I renegotiated and they said that was the range for the position, and I didn't end up taking it.  I'm so fascinated in this subject because as we know, engineers tend not to be the type to be social butterflies, gossiping at parties about who's dating who. But the second salary and career progression comes up at work, I've seen absolute 180s in personalities and everyone seems to have a buddy who's making 150k-175k here or has salary\/bonuses that blow us out of the water, and be unusually confident about how correct their \"map\" of compensation and salaries for engineers are.  I'm wondering where do these people get this information? Even after being an engineer for over a decade, I've never given my opinion on this subject because I don't know any of this stuff for sure. I'd feel embarrassed speaking with such certainty about something that I feel should actually come with many caveats. My personal career is winding and unique. People exaggerate or underrepresent what they make. But in any discussion about engineering salary, there's no shortage of people giving their 2 cents. Where do they get this information? Is there some secret Glassdoor alternative I don't know about? Is it just a natural effect where the people who are most self-confident are the ones who are more likely to speak up? Should a certain percentage of my week be spent networking with the goal of getting salary information and building a \"map\" of what different job functions and industries pay? Is this \"sixth sense\" BS, or is there a way to develop it?","c_root_id_A":"huvngcq","c_root_id_B":"huvpn16","created_at_utc_A":1643565333,"created_at_utc_B":1643566165,"score_A":3,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"Part of my job is managing the budgets for my projects, where I can see the raw rate and billable rate whenever anyone charges to them.  In a large corporation this has exposed me to the exact salary of a wide range of positions.","human_ref_B":"Pay transparency is becoming more common. I won\u2019t even apply for a role unless they list a pay range or it is a well known tech company that pays well.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":832.0,"score_ratio":2.6666666667}
{"post_id":"sgcxas","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"How do people just seem to \"know\" what certain jobs or industries pay in engineering? In my experience in engineering, engineers *love* to talk about what other engineers make. I think the fact that 3\/4 of the discussion on this sub boils down to that will attest, and it happens often at the jobs I've had. I've had a variety of jobs in different industries and roles myself over about a decade of working.  I come from a blue collar background, so I was never inherently familiar with salary negotiation and white collar career growth. A decade out, I've come to notice that the people who progress faster in their career are the ones who have this sixth sense for career growth, when it's time to move, what industries are hot, and things like that. We've all seen examples of someone clearly disconnected from that sixth sense - \"I'm an EE doing embedded systems for 10 years making $65k, is that good\"? And I think I'm aware enough to know ballpark numbers of what's reasonable. But I'm interested in the people who seem to be experts at it.  Both on this sub, and in real life networking, I'll hear phrases like \"Check out Parker Hannifin, they can't hire people fast enough!\" or \"Try Boeing's electronics division, starting salary $130k, minimum\" or \"my buddy tells me 3M is starting a new location in Pennsylvania, they're desperate for people, I heard numbers like $120k being thrown around\" or \"with your experience, you should be getting $150k at least\".  These phrases are usually worded and said with the utmost confidence. And I've always wondered, where do these people get all this information? I thought the general conclusion was that Glassdoor lowballs salaries, just because it doesn't update for inflation or new market conditions. If they're talking with a friend or professional contact who's an engineer, without being the manager or the one hiring, it's very likely that they don't have the full context of what the personnel ramp up or salary range is. In the end, it seems like these confident proclamations essentially come down to anecdotal hearsay.  I did listen to a connection who told me that ASML was ramping up and that it would be a big jump for me. I interviewed and got a job offer from them...and it was within a couple of percent of what I already make. I renegotiated and they said that was the range for the position, and I didn't end up taking it.  I'm so fascinated in this subject because as we know, engineers tend not to be the type to be social butterflies, gossiping at parties about who's dating who. But the second salary and career progression comes up at work, I've seen absolute 180s in personalities and everyone seems to have a buddy who's making 150k-175k here or has salary\/bonuses that blow us out of the water, and be unusually confident about how correct their \"map\" of compensation and salaries for engineers are.  I'm wondering where do these people get this information? Even after being an engineer for over a decade, I've never given my opinion on this subject because I don't know any of this stuff for sure. I'd feel embarrassed speaking with such certainty about something that I feel should actually come with many caveats. My personal career is winding and unique. People exaggerate or underrepresent what they make. But in any discussion about engineering salary, there's no shortage of people giving their 2 cents. Where do they get this information? Is there some secret Glassdoor alternative I don't know about? Is it just a natural effect where the people who are most self-confident are the ones who are more likely to speak up? Should a certain percentage of my week be spent networking with the goal of getting salary information and building a \"map\" of what different job functions and industries pay? Is this \"sixth sense\" BS, or is there a way to develop it?","c_root_id_A":"huvr6f1","c_root_id_B":"huw6ako","created_at_utc_A":1643566744,"created_at_utc_B":1643572499,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I believe EEJournal has a yearly EE salary survey.  I found that very useful.","human_ref_B":"My coworkers and I have a google spreadsheet where we list our salaries, years of experience, job title, and any other relevant info in order to best set each other up to negotiate, so I have a good sense of what the ranges are at my company specifically for meches and software engineers. For the industry in general I have friends in a few different cities\/fields and we talk about our salaries so I have some sense of the range there. Any other context is from Glassdoor\/payscale","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5755.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"sgcxas","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"How do people just seem to \"know\" what certain jobs or industries pay in engineering? In my experience in engineering, engineers *love* to talk about what other engineers make. I think the fact that 3\/4 of the discussion on this sub boils down to that will attest, and it happens often at the jobs I've had. I've had a variety of jobs in different industries and roles myself over about a decade of working.  I come from a blue collar background, so I was never inherently familiar with salary negotiation and white collar career growth. A decade out, I've come to notice that the people who progress faster in their career are the ones who have this sixth sense for career growth, when it's time to move, what industries are hot, and things like that. We've all seen examples of someone clearly disconnected from that sixth sense - \"I'm an EE doing embedded systems for 10 years making $65k, is that good\"? And I think I'm aware enough to know ballpark numbers of what's reasonable. But I'm interested in the people who seem to be experts at it.  Both on this sub, and in real life networking, I'll hear phrases like \"Check out Parker Hannifin, they can't hire people fast enough!\" or \"Try Boeing's electronics division, starting salary $130k, minimum\" or \"my buddy tells me 3M is starting a new location in Pennsylvania, they're desperate for people, I heard numbers like $120k being thrown around\" or \"with your experience, you should be getting $150k at least\".  These phrases are usually worded and said with the utmost confidence. And I've always wondered, where do these people get all this information? I thought the general conclusion was that Glassdoor lowballs salaries, just because it doesn't update for inflation or new market conditions. If they're talking with a friend or professional contact who's an engineer, without being the manager or the one hiring, it's very likely that they don't have the full context of what the personnel ramp up or salary range is. In the end, it seems like these confident proclamations essentially come down to anecdotal hearsay.  I did listen to a connection who told me that ASML was ramping up and that it would be a big jump for me. I interviewed and got a job offer from them...and it was within a couple of percent of what I already make. I renegotiated and they said that was the range for the position, and I didn't end up taking it.  I'm so fascinated in this subject because as we know, engineers tend not to be the type to be social butterflies, gossiping at parties about who's dating who. But the second salary and career progression comes up at work, I've seen absolute 180s in personalities and everyone seems to have a buddy who's making 150k-175k here or has salary\/bonuses that blow us out of the water, and be unusually confident about how correct their \"map\" of compensation and salaries for engineers are.  I'm wondering where do these people get this information? Even after being an engineer for over a decade, I've never given my opinion on this subject because I don't know any of this stuff for sure. I'd feel embarrassed speaking with such certainty about something that I feel should actually come with many caveats. My personal career is winding and unique. People exaggerate or underrepresent what they make. But in any discussion about engineering salary, there's no shortage of people giving their 2 cents. Where do they get this information? Is there some secret Glassdoor alternative I don't know about? Is it just a natural effect where the people who are most self-confident are the ones who are more likely to speak up? Should a certain percentage of my week be spent networking with the goal of getting salary information and building a \"map\" of what different job functions and industries pay? Is this \"sixth sense\" BS, or is there a way to develop it?","c_root_id_A":"huw3n7n","c_root_id_B":"huw6ako","created_at_utc_A":1643571474,"created_at_utc_B":1643572499,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I'm a hiring manager.  I deal with salary discussions constantly.","human_ref_B":"My coworkers and I have a google spreadsheet where we list our salaries, years of experience, job title, and any other relevant info in order to best set each other up to negotiate, so I have a good sense of what the ranges are at my company specifically for meches and software engineers. For the industry in general I have friends in a few different cities\/fields and we talk about our salaries so I have some sense of the range there. Any other context is from Glassdoor\/payscale","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1025.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"sgcxas","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"How do people just seem to \"know\" what certain jobs or industries pay in engineering? In my experience in engineering, engineers *love* to talk about what other engineers make. I think the fact that 3\/4 of the discussion on this sub boils down to that will attest, and it happens often at the jobs I've had. I've had a variety of jobs in different industries and roles myself over about a decade of working.  I come from a blue collar background, so I was never inherently familiar with salary negotiation and white collar career growth. A decade out, I've come to notice that the people who progress faster in their career are the ones who have this sixth sense for career growth, when it's time to move, what industries are hot, and things like that. We've all seen examples of someone clearly disconnected from that sixth sense - \"I'm an EE doing embedded systems for 10 years making $65k, is that good\"? And I think I'm aware enough to know ballpark numbers of what's reasonable. But I'm interested in the people who seem to be experts at it.  Both on this sub, and in real life networking, I'll hear phrases like \"Check out Parker Hannifin, they can't hire people fast enough!\" or \"Try Boeing's electronics division, starting salary $130k, minimum\" or \"my buddy tells me 3M is starting a new location in Pennsylvania, they're desperate for people, I heard numbers like $120k being thrown around\" or \"with your experience, you should be getting $150k at least\".  These phrases are usually worded and said with the utmost confidence. And I've always wondered, where do these people get all this information? I thought the general conclusion was that Glassdoor lowballs salaries, just because it doesn't update for inflation or new market conditions. If they're talking with a friend or professional contact who's an engineer, without being the manager or the one hiring, it's very likely that they don't have the full context of what the personnel ramp up or salary range is. In the end, it seems like these confident proclamations essentially come down to anecdotal hearsay.  I did listen to a connection who told me that ASML was ramping up and that it would be a big jump for me. I interviewed and got a job offer from them...and it was within a couple of percent of what I already make. I renegotiated and they said that was the range for the position, and I didn't end up taking it.  I'm so fascinated in this subject because as we know, engineers tend not to be the type to be social butterflies, gossiping at parties about who's dating who. But the second salary and career progression comes up at work, I've seen absolute 180s in personalities and everyone seems to have a buddy who's making 150k-175k here or has salary\/bonuses that blow us out of the water, and be unusually confident about how correct their \"map\" of compensation and salaries for engineers are.  I'm wondering where do these people get this information? Even after being an engineer for over a decade, I've never given my opinion on this subject because I don't know any of this stuff for sure. I'd feel embarrassed speaking with such certainty about something that I feel should actually come with many caveats. My personal career is winding and unique. People exaggerate or underrepresent what they make. But in any discussion about engineering salary, there's no shortage of people giving their 2 cents. Where do they get this information? Is there some secret Glassdoor alternative I don't know about? Is it just a natural effect where the people who are most self-confident are the ones who are more likely to speak up? Should a certain percentage of my week be spent networking with the goal of getting salary information and building a \"map\" of what different job functions and industries pay? Is this \"sixth sense\" BS, or is there a way to develop it?","c_root_id_A":"huvr6f1","c_root_id_B":"huvs00d","created_at_utc_A":1643566744,"created_at_utc_B":1643567052,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I believe EEJournal has a yearly EE salary survey.  I found that very useful.","human_ref_B":"I think a decent amount probably comes from knowing people in the fields and what they make. Some sites like GlassDoor help get a feel for which industires and positions have what salaries, but it's still pretty noisy data.  Like, I had apparently been under-asking when I thought 65K was reasonable in Indiana. Like, that sounded like awesome pay. Then I started in embedded software for thermostats and seems 100k is relatively standard.  For Silicon Valley positions, there are some good youtube videos that talk about what pay is like there. They can usually get pretty specific, likely due to stricter regulations on employee compensation. So they'll say an engineer at Tesla will start at 130k with like 40k in stock options, and that your base salary will peak at 150k but your stock options keep going up until 300k total is common in a senior position.  But otherwise, if I say this job pays this or that job pays that, it's generally a pretty broad estimate just based on my own job searches, research, and talking with others in the industry.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":308.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"sgcxas","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"How do people just seem to \"know\" what certain jobs or industries pay in engineering? In my experience in engineering, engineers *love* to talk about what other engineers make. I think the fact that 3\/4 of the discussion on this sub boils down to that will attest, and it happens often at the jobs I've had. I've had a variety of jobs in different industries and roles myself over about a decade of working.  I come from a blue collar background, so I was never inherently familiar with salary negotiation and white collar career growth. A decade out, I've come to notice that the people who progress faster in their career are the ones who have this sixth sense for career growth, when it's time to move, what industries are hot, and things like that. We've all seen examples of someone clearly disconnected from that sixth sense - \"I'm an EE doing embedded systems for 10 years making $65k, is that good\"? And I think I'm aware enough to know ballpark numbers of what's reasonable. But I'm interested in the people who seem to be experts at it.  Both on this sub, and in real life networking, I'll hear phrases like \"Check out Parker Hannifin, they can't hire people fast enough!\" or \"Try Boeing's electronics division, starting salary $130k, minimum\" or \"my buddy tells me 3M is starting a new location in Pennsylvania, they're desperate for people, I heard numbers like $120k being thrown around\" or \"with your experience, you should be getting $150k at least\".  These phrases are usually worded and said with the utmost confidence. And I've always wondered, where do these people get all this information? I thought the general conclusion was that Glassdoor lowballs salaries, just because it doesn't update for inflation or new market conditions. If they're talking with a friend or professional contact who's an engineer, without being the manager or the one hiring, it's very likely that they don't have the full context of what the personnel ramp up or salary range is. In the end, it seems like these confident proclamations essentially come down to anecdotal hearsay.  I did listen to a connection who told me that ASML was ramping up and that it would be a big jump for me. I interviewed and got a job offer from them...and it was within a couple of percent of what I already make. I renegotiated and they said that was the range for the position, and I didn't end up taking it.  I'm so fascinated in this subject because as we know, engineers tend not to be the type to be social butterflies, gossiping at parties about who's dating who. But the second salary and career progression comes up at work, I've seen absolute 180s in personalities and everyone seems to have a buddy who's making 150k-175k here or has salary\/bonuses that blow us out of the water, and be unusually confident about how correct their \"map\" of compensation and salaries for engineers are.  I'm wondering where do these people get this information? Even after being an engineer for over a decade, I've never given my opinion on this subject because I don't know any of this stuff for sure. I'd feel embarrassed speaking with such certainty about something that I feel should actually come with many caveats. My personal career is winding and unique. People exaggerate or underrepresent what they make. But in any discussion about engineering salary, there's no shortage of people giving their 2 cents. Where do they get this information? Is there some secret Glassdoor alternative I don't know about? Is it just a natural effect where the people who are most self-confident are the ones who are more likely to speak up? Should a certain percentage of my week be spent networking with the goal of getting salary information and building a \"map\" of what different job functions and industries pay? Is this \"sixth sense\" BS, or is there a way to develop it?","c_root_id_A":"huw0mzv","c_root_id_B":"huvr6f1","created_at_utc_A":1643570321,"created_at_utc_B":1643566744,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Glassdoor makes it pretty easy to snoop around. You can check your company and simlar ones to see where you fall. However I kinow because I am a hiring manager at a large company that the same job can pay wildly different salaries depending on the interview and salary target at the time of hiring.   We have people in the same role making 110k-160k.   We have new people making more than the experienced people on our team because that is what the market is demanding now. We have to offer more to get people, but HR wont typically offer more to keep people.","human_ref_B":"I believe EEJournal has a yearly EE salary survey.  I found that very useful.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3577.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"jh37e3","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Current engineers, did getting all A's in those classes made you a better engineer? I want to know if grades should be something I should really spend all my energy on. I am in my second year going on third in mechanical engineering. My first year of uni really did take a hit on my grades but my second year has definitely gotten better as I've learned how to study better. However, most if not all my time is just spent finishing lab reports and assignments and meeting those deadlines that I barely have any time to do anything else. Can anyone tell me if what I'm doing is good or should I somehow try to do more projects?","c_root_id_A":"g9v429r","c_root_id_B":"g9v2l7p","created_at_utc_A":1603520169,"created_at_utc_B":1603519561,"score_A":437,"score_B":43,"human_ref_A":"It's not the grades that make you a good or bad engineer, it's the understanding. If you feel like you're learning the material and developing a good understanding of the underlying concepts, that's what's really important. Of course, good understanding usually results in good grades as well, but there are times when this may not necessarily be the case.  Companies hiring new grads will likely care about grades somewhat because there's not much else for them to evaluate you on. But after you get your first job, no one really cares much.","human_ref_B":"Grades are important because your GPA is important. Many companies have minimum GPAs and because engineering is more competitive they can be higher requirements. I did not get great grades, but I got my GPA to .02 above the minimum for my company. For 5 of my 8 years here I have gotten an exceeds expectations and my boss uses me as an example of why GPA shouldn't mean much. I graduated 6 months later than several people who work at the same company and I started another 18 months later (so they had 2 years experience on me when I started) and I am now their equal or higher than them due to my work. Just keep working hard!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":608.0,"score_ratio":10.1627906977}
{"post_id":"jh37e3","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Current engineers, did getting all A's in those classes made you a better engineer? I want to know if grades should be something I should really spend all my energy on. I am in my second year going on third in mechanical engineering. My first year of uni really did take a hit on my grades but my second year has definitely gotten better as I've learned how to study better. However, most if not all my time is just spent finishing lab reports and assignments and meeting those deadlines that I barely have any time to do anything else. Can anyone tell me if what I'm doing is good or should I somehow try to do more projects?","c_root_id_A":"g9v429r","c_root_id_B":"g9uz8az","created_at_utc_A":1603520169,"created_at_utc_B":1603518189,"score_A":437,"score_B":34,"human_ref_A":"It's not the grades that make you a good or bad engineer, it's the understanding. If you feel like you're learning the material and developing a good understanding of the underlying concepts, that's what's really important. Of course, good understanding usually results in good grades as well, but there are times when this may not necessarily be the case.  Companies hiring new grads will likely care about grades somewhat because there's not much else for them to evaluate you on. But after you get your first job, no one really cares much.","human_ref_B":"Grades don\u2019t mean a whole lot in the grand scheme, depending on your path. An ability to problem solve and study is what is really critical when you go out into the field. As long as you have a decent foundation of the principles involved, it should be good enough for general industry. A pursuit like higher ed however will typically require the grades to reflect a very thorough understanding of engineering principles.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1980.0,"score_ratio":12.8529411765}
{"post_id":"jh37e3","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Current engineers, did getting all A's in those classes made you a better engineer? I want to know if grades should be something I should really spend all my energy on. I am in my second year going on third in mechanical engineering. My first year of uni really did take a hit on my grades but my second year has definitely gotten better as I've learned how to study better. However, most if not all my time is just spent finishing lab reports and assignments and meeting those deadlines that I barely have any time to do anything else. Can anyone tell me if what I'm doing is good or should I somehow try to do more projects?","c_root_id_A":"g9v2l7p","c_root_id_B":"g9v7ff0","created_at_utc_A":1603519561,"created_at_utc_B":1603521702,"score_A":43,"score_B":180,"human_ref_A":"Grades are important because your GPA is important. Many companies have minimum GPAs and because engineering is more competitive they can be higher requirements. I did not get great grades, but I got my GPA to .02 above the minimum for my company. For 5 of my 8 years here I have gotten an exceeds expectations and my boss uses me as an example of why GPA shouldn't mean much. I graduated 6 months later than several people who work at the same company and I started another 18 months later (so they had 2 years experience on me when I started) and I am now their equal or higher than them due to my work. Just keep working hard!","human_ref_B":"It didn\u2019t make me a good engineer but it meant I didn\u2019t get screened out when applying to a big company.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2141.0,"score_ratio":4.1860465116}
{"post_id":"jh37e3","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Current engineers, did getting all A's in those classes made you a better engineer? I want to know if grades should be something I should really spend all my energy on. I am in my second year going on third in mechanical engineering. My first year of uni really did take a hit on my grades but my second year has definitely gotten better as I've learned how to study better. However, most if not all my time is just spent finishing lab reports and assignments and meeting those deadlines that I barely have any time to do anything else. Can anyone tell me if what I'm doing is good or should I somehow try to do more projects?","c_root_id_A":"g9uz8az","c_root_id_B":"g9v7ff0","created_at_utc_A":1603518189,"created_at_utc_B":1603521702,"score_A":34,"score_B":180,"human_ref_A":"Grades don\u2019t mean a whole lot in the grand scheme, depending on your path. An ability to problem solve and study is what is really critical when you go out into the field. As long as you have a decent foundation of the principles involved, it should be good enough for general industry. A pursuit like higher ed however will typically require the grades to reflect a very thorough understanding of engineering principles.","human_ref_B":"It didn\u2019t make me a good engineer but it meant I didn\u2019t get screened out when applying to a big company.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3513.0,"score_ratio":5.2941176471}
{"post_id":"jh37e3","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Current engineers, did getting all A's in those classes made you a better engineer? I want to know if grades should be something I should really spend all my energy on. I am in my second year going on third in mechanical engineering. My first year of uni really did take a hit on my grades but my second year has definitely gotten better as I've learned how to study better. However, most if not all my time is just spent finishing lab reports and assignments and meeting those deadlines that I barely have any time to do anything else. Can anyone tell me if what I'm doing is good or should I somehow try to do more projects?","c_root_id_A":"g9v2l7p","c_root_id_B":"g9vw518","created_at_utc_A":1603519561,"created_at_utc_B":1603532959,"score_A":43,"score_B":71,"human_ref_A":"Grades are important because your GPA is important. Many companies have minimum GPAs and because engineering is more competitive they can be higher requirements. I did not get great grades, but I got my GPA to .02 above the minimum for my company. For 5 of my 8 years here I have gotten an exceeds expectations and my boss uses me as an example of why GPA shouldn't mean much. I graduated 6 months later than several people who work at the same company and I started another 18 months later (so they had 2 years experience on me when I started) and I am now their equal or higher than them due to my work. Just keep working hard!","human_ref_B":"In my startup, we hire a lot of fresh grads after they graduate, b and I personally never look at the grades. This hasn't stopped us from hiring exceptionally technical, ambitious engineers.  My opinion is that grades are actually a poor signal... University courses have, in many cases, really become an optimization of performing well on multiple choice exams, or practising old exams.   Some students have mediocre grades, but they were spending all their time in robotics competition or designing new parts for a car project, which are more like the skills that I want to hire for.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":13398.0,"score_ratio":1.6511627907}
{"post_id":"jh37e3","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Current engineers, did getting all A's in those classes made you a better engineer? I want to know if grades should be something I should really spend all my energy on. I am in my second year going on third in mechanical engineering. My first year of uni really did take a hit on my grades but my second year has definitely gotten better as I've learned how to study better. However, most if not all my time is just spent finishing lab reports and assignments and meeting those deadlines that I barely have any time to do anything else. Can anyone tell me if what I'm doing is good or should I somehow try to do more projects?","c_root_id_A":"g9vw518","c_root_id_B":"g9uz8az","created_at_utc_A":1603532959,"created_at_utc_B":1603518189,"score_A":71,"score_B":34,"human_ref_A":"In my startup, we hire a lot of fresh grads after they graduate, b and I personally never look at the grades. This hasn't stopped us from hiring exceptionally technical, ambitious engineers.  My opinion is that grades are actually a poor signal... University courses have, in many cases, really become an optimization of performing well on multiple choice exams, or practising old exams.   Some students have mediocre grades, but they were spending all their time in robotics competition or designing new parts for a car project, which are more like the skills that I want to hire for.","human_ref_B":"Grades don\u2019t mean a whole lot in the grand scheme, depending on your path. An ability to problem solve and study is what is really critical when you go out into the field. As long as you have a decent foundation of the principles involved, it should be good enough for general industry. A pursuit like higher ed however will typically require the grades to reflect a very thorough understanding of engineering principles.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":14770.0,"score_ratio":2.0882352941}
{"post_id":"jh37e3","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Current engineers, did getting all A's in those classes made you a better engineer? I want to know if grades should be something I should really spend all my energy on. I am in my second year going on third in mechanical engineering. My first year of uni really did take a hit on my grades but my second year has definitely gotten better as I've learned how to study better. However, most if not all my time is just spent finishing lab reports and assignments and meeting those deadlines that I barely have any time to do anything else. Can anyone tell me if what I'm doing is good or should I somehow try to do more projects?","c_root_id_A":"g9uz8az","c_root_id_B":"g9v2l7p","created_at_utc_A":1603518189,"created_at_utc_B":1603519561,"score_A":34,"score_B":43,"human_ref_A":"Grades don\u2019t mean a whole lot in the grand scheme, depending on your path. An ability to problem solve and study is what is really critical when you go out into the field. As long as you have a decent foundation of the principles involved, it should be good enough for general industry. A pursuit like higher ed however will typically require the grades to reflect a very thorough understanding of engineering principles.","human_ref_B":"Grades are important because your GPA is important. Many companies have minimum GPAs and because engineering is more competitive they can be higher requirements. I did not get great grades, but I got my GPA to .02 above the minimum for my company. For 5 of my 8 years here I have gotten an exceeds expectations and my boss uses me as an example of why GPA shouldn't mean much. I graduated 6 months later than several people who work at the same company and I started another 18 months later (so they had 2 years experience on me when I started) and I am now their equal or higher than them due to my work. Just keep working hard!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1372.0,"score_ratio":1.2647058824}
{"post_id":"jh37e3","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Current engineers, did getting all A's in those classes made you a better engineer? I want to know if grades should be something I should really spend all my energy on. I am in my second year going on third in mechanical engineering. My first year of uni really did take a hit on my grades but my second year has definitely gotten better as I've learned how to study better. However, most if not all my time is just spent finishing lab reports and assignments and meeting those deadlines that I barely have any time to do anything else. Can anyone tell me if what I'm doing is good or should I somehow try to do more projects?","c_root_id_A":"g9wkg9m","c_root_id_B":"g9vzd68","created_at_utc_A":1603544363,"created_at_utc_B":1603534554,"score_A":19,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I worked on a project with a NASA rep and mentioned my goal of finishing my BS with a 4.0.  \"If I look at your resume and see a 4.0, my first impression is gonna be you're a fuckin weirdo and I don't want you on my team. Don't hamstring yourself, do some clubs and projects until the best you can manage are B's.\"","human_ref_B":"My grades we're even asked about during my interview for my current job and it's my first job out of college. GPA wasn't on my resume either.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9809.0,"score_ratio":4.75}
{"post_id":"jh37e3","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Current engineers, did getting all A's in those classes made you a better engineer? I want to know if grades should be something I should really spend all my energy on. I am in my second year going on third in mechanical engineering. My first year of uni really did take a hit on my grades but my second year has definitely gotten better as I've learned how to study better. However, most if not all my time is just spent finishing lab reports and assignments and meeting those deadlines that I barely have any time to do anything else. Can anyone tell me if what I'm doing is good or should I somehow try to do more projects?","c_root_id_A":"g9wd135","c_root_id_B":"g9wkg9m","created_at_utc_A":1603540968,"created_at_utc_B":1603544363,"score_A":3,"score_B":19,"human_ref_A":"Actually understanding the material from classes has benefited me enormously. So in a sense, yes, because grade and level of understanding are generally correlated.  Good grades *can* also be pretty critical for landing first jobs and internships.","human_ref_B":"I worked on a project with a NASA rep and mentioned my goal of finishing my BS with a 4.0.  \"If I look at your resume and see a 4.0, my first impression is gonna be you're a fuckin weirdo and I don't want you on my team. Don't hamstring yourself, do some clubs and projects until the best you can manage are B's.\"","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3395.0,"score_ratio":6.3333333333}
{"post_id":"jh37e3","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Current engineers, did getting all A's in those classes made you a better engineer? I want to know if grades should be something I should really spend all my energy on. I am in my second year going on third in mechanical engineering. My first year of uni really did take a hit on my grades but my second year has definitely gotten better as I've learned how to study better. However, most if not all my time is just spent finishing lab reports and assignments and meeting those deadlines that I barely have any time to do anything else. Can anyone tell me if what I'm doing is good or should I somehow try to do more projects?","c_root_id_A":"g9wkg9m","c_root_id_B":"g9wdctq","created_at_utc_A":1603544363,"created_at_utc_B":1603541095,"score_A":19,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I worked on a project with a NASA rep and mentioned my goal of finishing my BS with a 4.0.  \"If I look at your resume and see a 4.0, my first impression is gonna be you're a fuckin weirdo and I don't want you on my team. Don't hamstring yourself, do some clubs and projects until the best you can manage are B's.\"","human_ref_B":"I think the question is backwards, as a result of learning to become a better engineer I started getting all A's.  When I started helping others in my class I learned how to be a better communicator and how to explain things differently so that others (and not just myself) would understand them.  If you think you're good at a subject try teaching someone who is struggling, then you'll really find out how good you are. Even if you're good in a class joining a study group or going to after class help sessions is very valuable.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3268.0,"score_ratio":6.3333333333}
{"post_id":"jh37e3","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Current engineers, did getting all A's in those classes made you a better engineer? I want to know if grades should be something I should really spend all my energy on. I am in my second year going on third in mechanical engineering. My first year of uni really did take a hit on my grades but my second year has definitely gotten better as I've learned how to study better. However, most if not all my time is just spent finishing lab reports and assignments and meeting those deadlines that I barely have any time to do anything else. Can anyone tell me if what I'm doing is good or should I somehow try to do more projects?","c_root_id_A":"g9wtii9","c_root_id_B":"g9vzd68","created_at_utc_A":1603548507,"created_at_utc_B":1603534554,"score_A":5,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Learning the underlying concepts is important either way - but how important is your GPA for getting hired?  When applying for new grad positions, it is a significant factor, but it's not as important as in, say, college applications.  A hiring manager isn't gonna pick a resume to interview based off of GPA, but your GPA will help the recruiter not throw away your resume when they need to thin their pile.  The way I think about it, there are a couple of bins.  3.9-4.0: Really great, but probably won't do much for you.  3.7-3.9: Threshold for a great GPA.  3.5-3.7: Threshold for a good GPA, min threshold for some places.  3.2-3.5: Threshold for a pretty good GPA.  3.0-3.2: Meets minimum threshold for most places.  Sub-3.0: Job hunting will probably be more difficult for you.  Anyone can get hired in any bin - but think about it like this: the higher your bin, the less impressive the rest of your application has to be.  Finally, keep in mind even with 3.9-4.0, you'll still need more experience on your resume.   Every hiring manager is different, but in general I'd say most hired new grads' GPA explains no more than 15% of why they were hired. So think of it like your graduating GPA is worth 15% of your hireability. That number will go down as you get more years of experience.","human_ref_B":"My grades we're even asked about during my interview for my current job and it's my first job out of college. GPA wasn't on my resume either.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":13953.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"jh37e3","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Current engineers, did getting all A's in those classes made you a better engineer? I want to know if grades should be something I should really spend all my energy on. I am in my second year going on third in mechanical engineering. My first year of uni really did take a hit on my grades but my second year has definitely gotten better as I've learned how to study better. However, most if not all my time is just spent finishing lab reports and assignments and meeting those deadlines that I barely have any time to do anything else. Can anyone tell me if what I'm doing is good or should I somehow try to do more projects?","c_root_id_A":"g9wd135","c_root_id_B":"g9wtii9","created_at_utc_A":1603540968,"created_at_utc_B":1603548507,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Actually understanding the material from classes has benefited me enormously. So in a sense, yes, because grade and level of understanding are generally correlated.  Good grades *can* also be pretty critical for landing first jobs and internships.","human_ref_B":"Learning the underlying concepts is important either way - but how important is your GPA for getting hired?  When applying for new grad positions, it is a significant factor, but it's not as important as in, say, college applications.  A hiring manager isn't gonna pick a resume to interview based off of GPA, but your GPA will help the recruiter not throw away your resume when they need to thin their pile.  The way I think about it, there are a couple of bins.  3.9-4.0: Really great, but probably won't do much for you.  3.7-3.9: Threshold for a great GPA.  3.5-3.7: Threshold for a good GPA, min threshold for some places.  3.2-3.5: Threshold for a pretty good GPA.  3.0-3.2: Meets minimum threshold for most places.  Sub-3.0: Job hunting will probably be more difficult for you.  Anyone can get hired in any bin - but think about it like this: the higher your bin, the less impressive the rest of your application has to be.  Finally, keep in mind even with 3.9-4.0, you'll still need more experience on your resume.   Every hiring manager is different, but in general I'd say most hired new grads' GPA explains no more than 15% of why they were hired. So think of it like your graduating GPA is worth 15% of your hireability. That number will go down as you get more years of experience.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7539.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"jh37e3","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Current engineers, did getting all A's in those classes made you a better engineer? I want to know if grades should be something I should really spend all my energy on. I am in my second year going on third in mechanical engineering. My first year of uni really did take a hit on my grades but my second year has definitely gotten better as I've learned how to study better. However, most if not all my time is just spent finishing lab reports and assignments and meeting those deadlines that I barely have any time to do anything else. Can anyone tell me if what I'm doing is good or should I somehow try to do more projects?","c_root_id_A":"g9wdctq","c_root_id_B":"g9wtii9","created_at_utc_A":1603541095,"created_at_utc_B":1603548507,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"I think the question is backwards, as a result of learning to become a better engineer I started getting all A's.  When I started helping others in my class I learned how to be a better communicator and how to explain things differently so that others (and not just myself) would understand them.  If you think you're good at a subject try teaching someone who is struggling, then you'll really find out how good you are. Even if you're good in a class joining a study group or going to after class help sessions is very valuable.","human_ref_B":"Learning the underlying concepts is important either way - but how important is your GPA for getting hired?  When applying for new grad positions, it is a significant factor, but it's not as important as in, say, college applications.  A hiring manager isn't gonna pick a resume to interview based off of GPA, but your GPA will help the recruiter not throw away your resume when they need to thin their pile.  The way I think about it, there are a couple of bins.  3.9-4.0: Really great, but probably won't do much for you.  3.7-3.9: Threshold for a great GPA.  3.5-3.7: Threshold for a good GPA, min threshold for some places.  3.2-3.5: Threshold for a pretty good GPA.  3.0-3.2: Meets minimum threshold for most places.  Sub-3.0: Job hunting will probably be more difficult for you.  Anyone can get hired in any bin - but think about it like this: the higher your bin, the less impressive the rest of your application has to be.  Finally, keep in mind even with 3.9-4.0, you'll still need more experience on your resume.   Every hiring manager is different, but in general I'd say most hired new grads' GPA explains no more than 15% of why they were hired. So think of it like your graduating GPA is worth 15% of your hireability. That number will go down as you get more years of experience.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7412.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"jh37e3","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Current engineers, did getting all A's in those classes made you a better engineer? I want to know if grades should be something I should really spend all my energy on. I am in my second year going on third in mechanical engineering. My first year of uni really did take a hit on my grades but my second year has definitely gotten better as I've learned how to study better. However, most if not all my time is just spent finishing lab reports and assignments and meeting those deadlines that I barely have any time to do anything else. Can anyone tell me if what I'm doing is good or should I somehow try to do more projects?","c_root_id_A":"g9wpia9","c_root_id_B":"g9vzd68","created_at_utc_A":1603546469,"created_at_utc_B":1603534554,"score_A":6,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"All the D's and C's made me an engineer \ud83e\udd37\u200d\u2642\ufe0f","human_ref_B":"My grades we're even asked about during my interview for my current job and it's my first job out of college. GPA wasn't on my resume either.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":11915.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"jh37e3","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Current engineers, did getting all A's in those classes made you a better engineer? I want to know if grades should be something I should really spend all my energy on. I am in my second year going on third in mechanical engineering. My first year of uni really did take a hit on my grades but my second year has definitely gotten better as I've learned how to study better. However, most if not all my time is just spent finishing lab reports and assignments and meeting those deadlines that I barely have any time to do anything else. Can anyone tell me if what I'm doing is good or should I somehow try to do more projects?","c_root_id_A":"g9wpia9","c_root_id_B":"g9wd135","created_at_utc_A":1603546469,"created_at_utc_B":1603540968,"score_A":6,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"All the D's and C's made me an engineer \ud83e\udd37\u200d\u2642\ufe0f","human_ref_B":"Actually understanding the material from classes has benefited me enormously. So in a sense, yes, because grade and level of understanding are generally correlated.  Good grades *can* also be pretty critical for landing first jobs and internships.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5501.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"jh37e3","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Current engineers, did getting all A's in those classes made you a better engineer? I want to know if grades should be something I should really spend all my energy on. I am in my second year going on third in mechanical engineering. My first year of uni really did take a hit on my grades but my second year has definitely gotten better as I've learned how to study better. However, most if not all my time is just spent finishing lab reports and assignments and meeting those deadlines that I barely have any time to do anything else. Can anyone tell me if what I'm doing is good or should I somehow try to do more projects?","c_root_id_A":"g9wpia9","c_root_id_B":"g9wdctq","created_at_utc_A":1603546469,"created_at_utc_B":1603541095,"score_A":6,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"All the D's and C's made me an engineer \ud83e\udd37\u200d\u2642\ufe0f","human_ref_B":"I think the question is backwards, as a result of learning to become a better engineer I started getting all A's.  When I started helping others in my class I learned how to be a better communicator and how to explain things differently so that others (and not just myself) would understand them.  If you think you're good at a subject try teaching someone who is struggling, then you'll really find out how good you are. Even if you're good in a class joining a study group or going to after class help sessions is very valuable.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5374.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"jh37e3","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Current engineers, did getting all A's in those classes made you a better engineer? I want to know if grades should be something I should really spend all my energy on. I am in my second year going on third in mechanical engineering. My first year of uni really did take a hit on my grades but my second year has definitely gotten better as I've learned how to study better. However, most if not all my time is just spent finishing lab reports and assignments and meeting those deadlines that I barely have any time to do anything else. Can anyone tell me if what I'm doing is good or should I somehow try to do more projects?","c_root_id_A":"g9xtxc1","c_root_id_B":"g9wd135","created_at_utc_A":1603566336,"created_at_utc_B":1603540968,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"NO.  You can get shit below average grades and still be the finest engineer in the field.   How? PROJECTS (Experience)  Have an understanding of the concepts behind the material and apply them to real life projects. Build something - literally. You learn through practice.   When it comes to applying to jobs, they don\u2019t give a flying fuck if you got an A in fluids. They want to know WHAT HAVE YOU DONE PROJECT WISE.  Those number crunchers who cruise through A\u2019s are not great engineers. They just memorize facts and punch numbers. A real engineer is someone who understands the concepts and is able to apply them to actual work.  Look. You\u2019re not doing anything wrong. Do you best in your courses but don\u2019t kill yourself over it. Your busy schedule sounds like a normal engineering course load. That\u2019s fine. BUT please get involved in as many projects as possible. BUILD THAT CV. Trust me.","human_ref_B":"Actually understanding the material from classes has benefited me enormously. So in a sense, yes, because grade and level of understanding are generally correlated.  Good grades *can* also be pretty critical for landing first jobs and internships.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":25368.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"jh37e3","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Current engineers, did getting all A's in those classes made you a better engineer? I want to know if grades should be something I should really spend all my energy on. I am in my second year going on third in mechanical engineering. My first year of uni really did take a hit on my grades but my second year has definitely gotten better as I've learned how to study better. However, most if not all my time is just spent finishing lab reports and assignments and meeting those deadlines that I barely have any time to do anything else. Can anyone tell me if what I'm doing is good or should I somehow try to do more projects?","c_root_id_A":"g9wdctq","c_root_id_B":"g9xtxc1","created_at_utc_A":1603541095,"created_at_utc_B":1603566336,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I think the question is backwards, as a result of learning to become a better engineer I started getting all A's.  When I started helping others in my class I learned how to be a better communicator and how to explain things differently so that others (and not just myself) would understand them.  If you think you're good at a subject try teaching someone who is struggling, then you'll really find out how good you are. Even if you're good in a class joining a study group or going to after class help sessions is very valuable.","human_ref_B":"NO.  You can get shit below average grades and still be the finest engineer in the field.   How? PROJECTS (Experience)  Have an understanding of the concepts behind the material and apply them to real life projects. Build something - literally. You learn through practice.   When it comes to applying to jobs, they don\u2019t give a flying fuck if you got an A in fluids. They want to know WHAT HAVE YOU DONE PROJECT WISE.  Those number crunchers who cruise through A\u2019s are not great engineers. They just memorize facts and punch numbers. A real engineer is someone who understands the concepts and is able to apply them to actual work.  Look. You\u2019re not doing anything wrong. Do you best in your courses but don\u2019t kill yourself over it. Your busy schedule sounds like a normal engineering course load. That\u2019s fine. BUT please get involved in as many projects as possible. BUILD THAT CV. Trust me.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":25241.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"jh37e3","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Current engineers, did getting all A's in those classes made you a better engineer? I want to know if grades should be something I should really spend all my energy on. I am in my second year going on third in mechanical engineering. My first year of uni really did take a hit on my grades but my second year has definitely gotten better as I've learned how to study better. However, most if not all my time is just spent finishing lab reports and assignments and meeting those deadlines that I barely have any time to do anything else. Can anyone tell me if what I'm doing is good or should I somehow try to do more projects?","c_root_id_A":"g9xtxc1","c_root_id_B":"g9wveu7","created_at_utc_A":1603566336,"created_at_utc_B":1603549394,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"NO.  You can get shit below average grades and still be the finest engineer in the field.   How? PROJECTS (Experience)  Have an understanding of the concepts behind the material and apply them to real life projects. Build something - literally. You learn through practice.   When it comes to applying to jobs, they don\u2019t give a flying fuck if you got an A in fluids. They want to know WHAT HAVE YOU DONE PROJECT WISE.  Those number crunchers who cruise through A\u2019s are not great engineers. They just memorize facts and punch numbers. A real engineer is someone who understands the concepts and is able to apply them to actual work.  Look. You\u2019re not doing anything wrong. Do you best in your courses but don\u2019t kill yourself over it. Your busy schedule sounds like a normal engineering course load. That\u2019s fine. BUT please get involved in as many projects as possible. BUILD THAT CV. Trust me.","human_ref_B":"Getting good grades and being a good engineer are not the same thing.  I got F's in some of my classes, yet am considered to be a good engineer with excellent technical skills in my field.  I've hired several engineers over the course of my career and never paid attention to grades.  When looking at applications, I look for attention to detail, grammar and spelling.  Those are important engineering skills and if someone can't do that when putting their best foot forward, they're probably not going to do it on the job.  I'm old school, I still look for a watermark on the cover sheet.  In an interview, I ask questions to help me assess problem solving skills, demeanor and engineering intuition.  Engineering intuition is the best measure of understanding of the work.   I'm a civil in water, so I'll ask a fairly involved hydraulics question that can be solved by consideration of the HGL.  I favor the candidate that either sketches out the HGL or looks up to picture it.  I'll watch the candidate who pulls out their calculator to see if the light comes on regarding how simple the problem becomes.  I also look for certain things in the interview. like if they dressed for the occasion and how they walk into the room.  The best engineers I've hired are the ones that walk into the interview looking at their shoes and as they open up, they look at the table in front of the interview panel.  A guy I work with says if they got over a \"B-\" in anything, they're wasting time and effort.  I don't agree completely, but he does have more wisdom than me.  He's the best gut level decisions on the fly engineer I know.    You know what they call the guy who graduated last in his class from medical school?  Doctor.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":16942.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"jh37e3","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Current engineers, did getting all A's in those classes made you a better engineer? I want to know if grades should be something I should really spend all my energy on. I am in my second year going on third in mechanical engineering. My first year of uni really did take a hit on my grades but my second year has definitely gotten better as I've learned how to study better. However, most if not all my time is just spent finishing lab reports and assignments and meeting those deadlines that I barely have any time to do anything else. Can anyone tell me if what I'm doing is good or should I somehow try to do more projects?","c_root_id_A":"g9wd135","c_root_id_B":"g9y5ksy","created_at_utc_A":1603540968,"created_at_utc_B":1603571981,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Actually understanding the material from classes has benefited me enormously. So in a sense, yes, because grade and level of understanding are generally correlated.  Good grades *can* also be pretty critical for landing first jobs and internships.","human_ref_B":"Engineering is, in its purest form, picking a fight against nature for the benefit of humanity -- and nature cannot be fooled.   So having a powerful command of math, of the equations and tables that define how nature operates, is a big advantage if you want to be a \"good engineer\".   So yes, master your coursework.  But on top of the difficulties that nature presents, you have the added layer of human complexity.   People who, by their actions (or inactions) generate obstacles to the conquering of nature, within the limits of time and materials allocated for engineering projects.  Engineers are generally good at dealing with the matter & energy side of a project, but not so much at dealing with people -- convincing them to exert their utmost efforts, channeling that effort effectively, dispelling bad ideas and replacing them with better ones; these are not taught well in engineering schools, if they are taught at all.  If you're fortunate enough to have your classwork under control, and have time left over, I strongly suggest you begin to \"level up\" your ability to deal with the human side of the engineering process.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":31013.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"jh37e3","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Current engineers, did getting all A's in those classes made you a better engineer? I want to know if grades should be something I should really spend all my energy on. I am in my second year going on third in mechanical engineering. My first year of uni really did take a hit on my grades but my second year has definitely gotten better as I've learned how to study better. However, most if not all my time is just spent finishing lab reports and assignments and meeting those deadlines that I barely have any time to do anything else. Can anyone tell me if what I'm doing is good or should I somehow try to do more projects?","c_root_id_A":"g9wdctq","c_root_id_B":"g9y5ksy","created_at_utc_A":1603541095,"created_at_utc_B":1603571981,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I think the question is backwards, as a result of learning to become a better engineer I started getting all A's.  When I started helping others in my class I learned how to be a better communicator and how to explain things differently so that others (and not just myself) would understand them.  If you think you're good at a subject try teaching someone who is struggling, then you'll really find out how good you are. Even if you're good in a class joining a study group or going to after class help sessions is very valuable.","human_ref_B":"Engineering is, in its purest form, picking a fight against nature for the benefit of humanity -- and nature cannot be fooled.   So having a powerful command of math, of the equations and tables that define how nature operates, is a big advantage if you want to be a \"good engineer\".   So yes, master your coursework.  But on top of the difficulties that nature presents, you have the added layer of human complexity.   People who, by their actions (or inactions) generate obstacles to the conquering of nature, within the limits of time and materials allocated for engineering projects.  Engineers are generally good at dealing with the matter & energy side of a project, but not so much at dealing with people -- convincing them to exert their utmost efforts, channeling that effort effectively, dispelling bad ideas and replacing them with better ones; these are not taught well in engineering schools, if they are taught at all.  If you're fortunate enough to have your classwork under control, and have time left over, I strongly suggest you begin to \"level up\" your ability to deal with the human side of the engineering process.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":30886.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"jh37e3","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Current engineers, did getting all A's in those classes made you a better engineer? I want to know if grades should be something I should really spend all my energy on. I am in my second year going on third in mechanical engineering. My first year of uni really did take a hit on my grades but my second year has definitely gotten better as I've learned how to study better. However, most if not all my time is just spent finishing lab reports and assignments and meeting those deadlines that I barely have any time to do anything else. Can anyone tell me if what I'm doing is good or should I somehow try to do more projects?","c_root_id_A":"g9y5ksy","c_root_id_B":"g9wveu7","created_at_utc_A":1603571981,"created_at_utc_B":1603549394,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Engineering is, in its purest form, picking a fight against nature for the benefit of humanity -- and nature cannot be fooled.   So having a powerful command of math, of the equations and tables that define how nature operates, is a big advantage if you want to be a \"good engineer\".   So yes, master your coursework.  But on top of the difficulties that nature presents, you have the added layer of human complexity.   People who, by their actions (or inactions) generate obstacles to the conquering of nature, within the limits of time and materials allocated for engineering projects.  Engineers are generally good at dealing with the matter & energy side of a project, but not so much at dealing with people -- convincing them to exert their utmost efforts, channeling that effort effectively, dispelling bad ideas and replacing them with better ones; these are not taught well in engineering schools, if they are taught at all.  If you're fortunate enough to have your classwork under control, and have time left over, I strongly suggest you begin to \"level up\" your ability to deal with the human side of the engineering process.","human_ref_B":"Getting good grades and being a good engineer are not the same thing.  I got F's in some of my classes, yet am considered to be a good engineer with excellent technical skills in my field.  I've hired several engineers over the course of my career and never paid attention to grades.  When looking at applications, I look for attention to detail, grammar and spelling.  Those are important engineering skills and if someone can't do that when putting their best foot forward, they're probably not going to do it on the job.  I'm old school, I still look for a watermark on the cover sheet.  In an interview, I ask questions to help me assess problem solving skills, demeanor and engineering intuition.  Engineering intuition is the best measure of understanding of the work.   I'm a civil in water, so I'll ask a fairly involved hydraulics question that can be solved by consideration of the HGL.  I favor the candidate that either sketches out the HGL or looks up to picture it.  I'll watch the candidate who pulls out their calculator to see if the light comes on regarding how simple the problem becomes.  I also look for certain things in the interview. like if they dressed for the occasion and how they walk into the room.  The best engineers I've hired are the ones that walk into the interview looking at their shoes and as they open up, they look at the table in front of the interview panel.  A guy I work with says if they got over a \"B-\" in anything, they're wasting time and effort.  I don't agree completely, but he does have more wisdom than me.  He's the best gut level decisions on the fly engineer I know.    You know what they call the guy who graduated last in his class from medical school?  Doctor.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":22587.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"dur1bn","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"How much does appearance affect employability in engineering? I am a male currently looking for work in the mechanical engineering sector. I have long hair but keep it in a bun or in another neat looking hairstyle during the day and I wash it as much as necessary. In your experience is my hair going to be something that will hold me back from getting a job? Furthering on from this question, generally how conservative is engineering as a whole with regard to dress and appearances? Thanks for your time.","c_root_id_A":"f77txlr","c_root_id_B":"f77s98v","created_at_utc_A":1573475571,"created_at_utc_B":1573473563,"score_A":38,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"If you are nothing (grad \/ junior \/ unrespected in your field) and will look unprofessional in front of a customer then you will get passed over for someone who is.   If you are known in your field and well respected  it\u2019s a different matter. Key point, if you give an unprofessional vibe either by your looks, speech, demeanour or knowledge then you better have something great offset it. Otherwise, and I\u2019ve had this happen, as we all walk out of the meeting the customer just says \u201cyou get the job so long as I don\u2019t see an hour billed from that person\u201d.  Oh and how do you offset poor knowledge I hear?  Looks. A hot girl or guy, again I\u2019ve had both circumstances, can swing a job even if they are dumb. People subconsciously feel better around attractive people.","human_ref_B":"It may matter to some. Personally I see it this way : if you're applying to a position where you will not be facing the client or at least not be the main cave of the company to said client, and you're still ruled out because of jus thavinf long hait.... Consider that you have filtered that company out, not them. I wouldn't work for people who are that tight that they won't give a technical positon to a man with long hair.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2008.0,"score_ratio":3.4545454545}
{"post_id":"dur1bn","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"How much does appearance affect employability in engineering? I am a male currently looking for work in the mechanical engineering sector. I have long hair but keep it in a bun or in another neat looking hairstyle during the day and I wash it as much as necessary. In your experience is my hair going to be something that will hold me back from getting a job? Furthering on from this question, generally how conservative is engineering as a whole with regard to dress and appearances? Thanks for your time.","c_root_id_A":"f77s98v","c_root_id_B":"f77weso","created_at_utc_A":1573473563,"created_at_utc_B":1573478183,"score_A":11,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"It may matter to some. Personally I see it this way : if you're applying to a position where you will not be facing the client or at least not be the main cave of the company to said client, and you're still ruled out because of jus thavinf long hait.... Consider that you have filtered that company out, not them. I wouldn't work for people who are that tight that they won't give a technical positon to a man with long hair.","human_ref_B":"\"I wash it as much as necessary\"  Just make sure you bath\/shower daily. I'll believe you wash your hair when you need too if you are spending effort not to wash it some days.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4620.0,"score_ratio":1.0909090909}
{"post_id":"dur1bn","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"How much does appearance affect employability in engineering? I am a male currently looking for work in the mechanical engineering sector. I have long hair but keep it in a bun or in another neat looking hairstyle during the day and I wash it as much as necessary. In your experience is my hair going to be something that will hold me back from getting a job? Furthering on from this question, generally how conservative is engineering as a whole with regard to dress and appearances? Thanks for your time.","c_root_id_A":"f77weso","c_root_id_B":"f77tzen","created_at_utc_A":1573478183,"created_at_utc_B":1573475626,"score_A":12,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"\"I wash it as much as necessary\"  Just make sure you bath\/shower daily. I'll believe you wash your hair when you need too if you are spending effort not to wash it some days.","human_ref_B":"It ultimately depends on the type of work environment you're applying to.   If you're trying to get into manufacturing, I doubt anyone would really care as long as you're presenting yourself in a neat fashion.  If you're trying to get into an office environment (i.e. consulting) then the size of the company and type of role comes into play. If its a small company or if you're applying for a senior role, there's a good chance you'll be client facing so your appearance will matter and buns are kind of in the gray area\/leaning towards the unprofessional side. but if you're just trying to get a junior level role, then see my comment regarding manufacturing.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2557.0,"score_ratio":2.4}
{"post_id":"dur1bn","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"How much does appearance affect employability in engineering? I am a male currently looking for work in the mechanical engineering sector. I have long hair but keep it in a bun or in another neat looking hairstyle during the day and I wash it as much as necessary. In your experience is my hair going to be something that will hold me back from getting a job? Furthering on from this question, generally how conservative is engineering as a whole with regard to dress and appearances? Thanks for your time.","c_root_id_A":"f77weso","c_root_id_B":"f77vhq1","created_at_utc_A":1573478183,"created_at_utc_B":1573477248,"score_A":12,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"\"I wash it as much as necessary\"  Just make sure you bath\/shower daily. I'll believe you wash your hair when you need too if you are spending effort not to wash it some days.","human_ref_B":"Sounds like a weird 2 cents but long hair with a beard will be much better received than long hair clean shaven. Provided it is a neatly trimmed beard that has full coverage. I think it also depends on the engineering field. In Civil, I found design companies were more concerned with appearance and that stuff than construction companies. I imagine it's dependent on the country as well.  Source: Have been a long hair and beardy civil engineer and a clean shaven, short back and sides civil engineer.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":935.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"dur1bn","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"How much does appearance affect employability in engineering? I am a male currently looking for work in the mechanical engineering sector. I have long hair but keep it in a bun or in another neat looking hairstyle during the day and I wash it as much as necessary. In your experience is my hair going to be something that will hold me back from getting a job? Furthering on from this question, generally how conservative is engineering as a whole with regard to dress and appearances? Thanks for your time.","c_root_id_A":"f77weso","c_root_id_B":"f77um1x","created_at_utc_A":1573478183,"created_at_utc_B":1573476312,"score_A":12,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"\"I wash it as much as necessary\"  Just make sure you bath\/shower daily. I'll believe you wash your hair when you need too if you are spending effort not to wash it some days.","human_ref_B":"I did not graduate or looked for a job yet. However, humans are humans whether doctors, engineers... Looks are important no one can deny that. There things you cannot do anything about,  but at least dress well, be hygienic (smells sweat, mouth..) and if you have time hit the gym. Good luck dude","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1871.0,"score_ratio":6.0}
{"post_id":"dur1bn","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"How much does appearance affect employability in engineering? I am a male currently looking for work in the mechanical engineering sector. I have long hair but keep it in a bun or in another neat looking hairstyle during the day and I wash it as much as necessary. In your experience is my hair going to be something that will hold me back from getting a job? Furthering on from this question, generally how conservative is engineering as a whole with regard to dress and appearances? Thanks for your time.","c_root_id_A":"f77tzen","c_root_id_B":"f783qj7","created_at_utc_A":1573475626,"created_at_utc_B":1573484441,"score_A":5,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"It ultimately depends on the type of work environment you're applying to.   If you're trying to get into manufacturing, I doubt anyone would really care as long as you're presenting yourself in a neat fashion.  If you're trying to get into an office environment (i.e. consulting) then the size of the company and type of role comes into play. If its a small company or if you're applying for a senior role, there's a good chance you'll be client facing so your appearance will matter and buns are kind of in the gray area\/leaning towards the unprofessional side. but if you're just trying to get a junior level role, then see my comment regarding manufacturing.","human_ref_B":"You may want to blend in with the company culture; this way there will be less friction with people particularly if you are new. You want to look like everyone else. HR will interpret this as \"business casual\". If you deviate from cookie cutter looks, you will be seen by many as a rebel, even if they don't admit it. Being a \"team player\" is really important, even if it means changing your appearance. You see, some people will be resentful if you deviate, because they themselves hold this to their standards, and they don't think it is fair that the new guy can get away with it. But what really matters in the end, is what your manager thinks of you. You will help your manager to like you if you \"NPC\" your looks.    I work in the defense industry, so looking clean cut (like military personnel) will give you brownie points. We often bring military clients into our facilities, and they are used to clean cut individuals. Managers like to show that their employees have the \"soldier\" discipline, even if the messege is conveyed through just looks. Unconscious biases exists. And you may want to swim with the current on this one. I just think this is the most optimum path.    Many will disagree with me. I'm sure you can take a different path successfully as well. But, isn't it better to have a \"culturally accepted look\" and not worry about any complications that may come because you wanted to \"complicate\" things? I'm sure your manager appreciates that you are easy and uncomplicated.   This is coming from a previously long haired, big bearded hippie looking dude. Money trumps your aesthetic identity, my brother.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8815.0,"score_ratio":1.4}
{"post_id":"dur1bn","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"How much does appearance affect employability in engineering? I am a male currently looking for work in the mechanical engineering sector. I have long hair but keep it in a bun or in another neat looking hairstyle during the day and I wash it as much as necessary. In your experience is my hair going to be something that will hold me back from getting a job? Furthering on from this question, generally how conservative is engineering as a whole with regard to dress and appearances? Thanks for your time.","c_root_id_A":"f783qj7","c_root_id_B":"f77wkem","created_at_utc_A":1573484441,"created_at_utc_B":1573478341,"score_A":7,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"You may want to blend in with the company culture; this way there will be less friction with people particularly if you are new. You want to look like everyone else. HR will interpret this as \"business casual\". If you deviate from cookie cutter looks, you will be seen by many as a rebel, even if they don't admit it. Being a \"team player\" is really important, even if it means changing your appearance. You see, some people will be resentful if you deviate, because they themselves hold this to their standards, and they don't think it is fair that the new guy can get away with it. But what really matters in the end, is what your manager thinks of you. You will help your manager to like you if you \"NPC\" your looks.    I work in the defense industry, so looking clean cut (like military personnel) will give you brownie points. We often bring military clients into our facilities, and they are used to clean cut individuals. Managers like to show that their employees have the \"soldier\" discipline, even if the messege is conveyed through just looks. Unconscious biases exists. And you may want to swim with the current on this one. I just think this is the most optimum path.    Many will disagree with me. I'm sure you can take a different path successfully as well. But, isn't it better to have a \"culturally accepted look\" and not worry about any complications that may come because you wanted to \"complicate\" things? I'm sure your manager appreciates that you are easy and uncomplicated.   This is coming from a previously long haired, big bearded hippie looking dude. Money trumps your aesthetic identity, my brother.","human_ref_B":"Prove your abilities and the people that matter won't care.  If you are low performing, you better look good.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6100.0,"score_ratio":1.75}
{"post_id":"dur1bn","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"How much does appearance affect employability in engineering? I am a male currently looking for work in the mechanical engineering sector. I have long hair but keep it in a bun or in another neat looking hairstyle during the day and I wash it as much as necessary. In your experience is my hair going to be something that will hold me back from getting a job? Furthering on from this question, generally how conservative is engineering as a whole with regard to dress and appearances? Thanks for your time.","c_root_id_A":"f77yf1g","c_root_id_B":"f783qj7","created_at_utc_A":1573480069,"created_at_utc_B":1573484441,"score_A":3,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Really depends on company, culture,  and who you'll be working for.  Things are much less conservative nowadays.  The last place I worked there were quite a few men with long hair, tattoos, and piercings, and we could wear distressed clothes as long as we weren't visiting a customer. I think that if you're going to be in front of customers it may drive the dress code and you'll find the employer much more conservative.","human_ref_B":"You may want to blend in with the company culture; this way there will be less friction with people particularly if you are new. You want to look like everyone else. HR will interpret this as \"business casual\". If you deviate from cookie cutter looks, you will be seen by many as a rebel, even if they don't admit it. Being a \"team player\" is really important, even if it means changing your appearance. You see, some people will be resentful if you deviate, because they themselves hold this to their standards, and they don't think it is fair that the new guy can get away with it. But what really matters in the end, is what your manager thinks of you. You will help your manager to like you if you \"NPC\" your looks.    I work in the defense industry, so looking clean cut (like military personnel) will give you brownie points. We often bring military clients into our facilities, and they are used to clean cut individuals. Managers like to show that their employees have the \"soldier\" discipline, even if the messege is conveyed through just looks. Unconscious biases exists. And you may want to swim with the current on this one. I just think this is the most optimum path.    Many will disagree with me. I'm sure you can take a different path successfully as well. But, isn't it better to have a \"culturally accepted look\" and not worry about any complications that may come because you wanted to \"complicate\" things? I'm sure your manager appreciates that you are easy and uncomplicated.   This is coming from a previously long haired, big bearded hippie looking dude. Money trumps your aesthetic identity, my brother.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4372.0,"score_ratio":2.3333333333}
{"post_id":"dur1bn","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"How much does appearance affect employability in engineering? I am a male currently looking for work in the mechanical engineering sector. I have long hair but keep it in a bun or in another neat looking hairstyle during the day and I wash it as much as necessary. In your experience is my hair going to be something that will hold me back from getting a job? Furthering on from this question, generally how conservative is engineering as a whole with regard to dress and appearances? Thanks for your time.","c_root_id_A":"f77vhq1","c_root_id_B":"f783qj7","created_at_utc_A":1573477248,"created_at_utc_B":1573484441,"score_A":4,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Sounds like a weird 2 cents but long hair with a beard will be much better received than long hair clean shaven. Provided it is a neatly trimmed beard that has full coverage. I think it also depends on the engineering field. In Civil, I found design companies were more concerned with appearance and that stuff than construction companies. I imagine it's dependent on the country as well.  Source: Have been a long hair and beardy civil engineer and a clean shaven, short back and sides civil engineer.","human_ref_B":"You may want to blend in with the company culture; this way there will be less friction with people particularly if you are new. You want to look like everyone else. HR will interpret this as \"business casual\". If you deviate from cookie cutter looks, you will be seen by many as a rebel, even if they don't admit it. Being a \"team player\" is really important, even if it means changing your appearance. You see, some people will be resentful if you deviate, because they themselves hold this to their standards, and they don't think it is fair that the new guy can get away with it. But what really matters in the end, is what your manager thinks of you. You will help your manager to like you if you \"NPC\" your looks.    I work in the defense industry, so looking clean cut (like military personnel) will give you brownie points. We often bring military clients into our facilities, and they are used to clean cut individuals. Managers like to show that their employees have the \"soldier\" discipline, even if the messege is conveyed through just looks. Unconscious biases exists. And you may want to swim with the current on this one. I just think this is the most optimum path.    Many will disagree with me. I'm sure you can take a different path successfully as well. But, isn't it better to have a \"culturally accepted look\" and not worry about any complications that may come because you wanted to \"complicate\" things? I'm sure your manager appreciates that you are easy and uncomplicated.   This is coming from a previously long haired, big bearded hippie looking dude. Money trumps your aesthetic identity, my brother.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7193.0,"score_ratio":1.75}
{"post_id":"dur1bn","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"How much does appearance affect employability in engineering? I am a male currently looking for work in the mechanical engineering sector. I have long hair but keep it in a bun or in another neat looking hairstyle during the day and I wash it as much as necessary. In your experience is my hair going to be something that will hold me back from getting a job? Furthering on from this question, generally how conservative is engineering as a whole with regard to dress and appearances? Thanks for your time.","c_root_id_A":"f783qj7","c_root_id_B":"f77um1x","created_at_utc_A":1573484441,"created_at_utc_B":1573476312,"score_A":7,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"You may want to blend in with the company culture; this way there will be less friction with people particularly if you are new. You want to look like everyone else. HR will interpret this as \"business casual\". If you deviate from cookie cutter looks, you will be seen by many as a rebel, even if they don't admit it. Being a \"team player\" is really important, even if it means changing your appearance. You see, some people will be resentful if you deviate, because they themselves hold this to their standards, and they don't think it is fair that the new guy can get away with it. But what really matters in the end, is what your manager thinks of you. You will help your manager to like you if you \"NPC\" your looks.    I work in the defense industry, so looking clean cut (like military personnel) will give you brownie points. We often bring military clients into our facilities, and they are used to clean cut individuals. Managers like to show that their employees have the \"soldier\" discipline, even if the messege is conveyed through just looks. Unconscious biases exists. And you may want to swim with the current on this one. I just think this is the most optimum path.    Many will disagree with me. I'm sure you can take a different path successfully as well. But, isn't it better to have a \"culturally accepted look\" and not worry about any complications that may come because you wanted to \"complicate\" things? I'm sure your manager appreciates that you are easy and uncomplicated.   This is coming from a previously long haired, big bearded hippie looking dude. Money trumps your aesthetic identity, my brother.","human_ref_B":"I did not graduate or looked for a job yet. However, humans are humans whether doctors, engineers... Looks are important no one can deny that. There things you cannot do anything about,  but at least dress well, be hygienic (smells sweat, mouth..) and if you have time hit the gym. Good luck dude","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8129.0,"score_ratio":3.5}
{"post_id":"dur1bn","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"How much does appearance affect employability in engineering? I am a male currently looking for work in the mechanical engineering sector. I have long hair but keep it in a bun or in another neat looking hairstyle during the day and I wash it as much as necessary. In your experience is my hair going to be something that will hold me back from getting a job? Furthering on from this question, generally how conservative is engineering as a whole with regard to dress and appearances? Thanks for your time.","c_root_id_A":"f783qj7","c_root_id_B":"f77yj50","created_at_utc_A":1573484441,"created_at_utc_B":1573480173,"score_A":7,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"You may want to blend in with the company culture; this way there will be less friction with people particularly if you are new. You want to look like everyone else. HR will interpret this as \"business casual\". If you deviate from cookie cutter looks, you will be seen by many as a rebel, even if they don't admit it. Being a \"team player\" is really important, even if it means changing your appearance. You see, some people will be resentful if you deviate, because they themselves hold this to their standards, and they don't think it is fair that the new guy can get away with it. But what really matters in the end, is what your manager thinks of you. You will help your manager to like you if you \"NPC\" your looks.    I work in the defense industry, so looking clean cut (like military personnel) will give you brownie points. We often bring military clients into our facilities, and they are used to clean cut individuals. Managers like to show that their employees have the \"soldier\" discipline, even if the messege is conveyed through just looks. Unconscious biases exists. And you may want to swim with the current on this one. I just think this is the most optimum path.    Many will disagree with me. I'm sure you can take a different path successfully as well. But, isn't it better to have a \"culturally accepted look\" and not worry about any complications that may come because you wanted to \"complicate\" things? I'm sure your manager appreciates that you are easy and uncomplicated.   This is coming from a previously long haired, big bearded hippie looking dude. Money trumps your aesthetic identity, my brother.","human_ref_B":"I work for a very conservative civil firm, and they recently hired a new graduate with the same hair as you described. However, in the civil market right now, new graduates are getting a bunch of offers and can basically go wherever they want. I\u2019m not sure if this guy received the same amount of offers as his short-haired cohorts or not.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4268.0,"score_ratio":3.5}
{"post_id":"dur1bn","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"How much does appearance affect employability in engineering? I am a male currently looking for work in the mechanical engineering sector. I have long hair but keep it in a bun or in another neat looking hairstyle during the day and I wash it as much as necessary. In your experience is my hair going to be something that will hold me back from getting a job? Furthering on from this question, generally how conservative is engineering as a whole with regard to dress and appearances? Thanks for your time.","c_root_id_A":"f77wkem","c_root_id_B":"f77um1x","created_at_utc_A":1573478341,"created_at_utc_B":1573476312,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Prove your abilities and the people that matter won't care.  If you are low performing, you better look good.","human_ref_B":"I did not graduate or looked for a job yet. However, humans are humans whether doctors, engineers... Looks are important no one can deny that. There things you cannot do anything about,  but at least dress well, be hygienic (smells sweat, mouth..) and if you have time hit the gym. Good luck dude","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2029.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"dur1bn","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"How much does appearance affect employability in engineering? I am a male currently looking for work in the mechanical engineering sector. I have long hair but keep it in a bun or in another neat looking hairstyle during the day and I wash it as much as necessary. In your experience is my hair going to be something that will hold me back from getting a job? Furthering on from this question, generally how conservative is engineering as a whole with regard to dress and appearances? Thanks for your time.","c_root_id_A":"f77yf1g","c_root_id_B":"f784uel","created_at_utc_A":1573480069,"created_at_utc_B":1573485267,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Really depends on company, culture,  and who you'll be working for.  Things are much less conservative nowadays.  The last place I worked there were quite a few men with long hair, tattoos, and piercings, and we could wear distressed clothes as long as we weren't visiting a customer. I think that if you're going to be in front of customers it may drive the dress code and you'll find the employer much more conservative.","human_ref_B":"For day to day work:  Dress and style yourself appropriately for the company culture.  If company culture is suit and tie, your long hair may not go over.  But I will say that what is considered \"professional\" is definitely evolving.    &#x200B;  For interviewing:  Dress and style yourself for the team you want a position on.  Go stalk LinkedIn and look at profile pics.  Is everyone dressed and styled super conservative and traditionally professional?  You might want a shorter haircut.  If it's a younger company and the engineering team is more casual, the long hair might go over ok.  You can always grow your hair out when you've got the position you want.  &#x200B;  In general:  As a dude who is married to a dude and also an engineer...if you're gonna rock the long hair, rock the long hair.  But don't half ass the long hair.  It may be a cliche, but a lot of the dudes I've seen who have long hair don't seem like they have long hair because they like long hair.  They seem like they have long hair because they're lazy.  Frizzy.  Dull.  Split ends.  Tied up in a messy pony tail with a standard office supply rubber band.  If that's your long hair look, then you should ditch it.  &#x200B;  If you want to rock the long hair as a dude, you need to be going to a stylist every couple months to get the ends cleaned up.  Style your hair like the long hair is intentional and not lazy.  Get a flat iron or a hot brush and learn how to use it.    &#x200B;  >I wash it as much as necessary  This concerns me.  I'm not sure if you mean that you don't over-wash it or if you mean that you're not washing it because it means you don't like conditioning, blow drying and styling it.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5198.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"dur1bn","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"How much does appearance affect employability in engineering? I am a male currently looking for work in the mechanical engineering sector. I have long hair but keep it in a bun or in another neat looking hairstyle during the day and I wash it as much as necessary. In your experience is my hair going to be something that will hold me back from getting a job? Furthering on from this question, generally how conservative is engineering as a whole with regard to dress and appearances? Thanks for your time.","c_root_id_A":"f784uel","c_root_id_B":"f77um1x","created_at_utc_A":1573485267,"created_at_utc_B":1573476312,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"For day to day work:  Dress and style yourself appropriately for the company culture.  If company culture is suit and tie, your long hair may not go over.  But I will say that what is considered \"professional\" is definitely evolving.    &#x200B;  For interviewing:  Dress and style yourself for the team you want a position on.  Go stalk LinkedIn and look at profile pics.  Is everyone dressed and styled super conservative and traditionally professional?  You might want a shorter haircut.  If it's a younger company and the engineering team is more casual, the long hair might go over ok.  You can always grow your hair out when you've got the position you want.  &#x200B;  In general:  As a dude who is married to a dude and also an engineer...if you're gonna rock the long hair, rock the long hair.  But don't half ass the long hair.  It may be a cliche, but a lot of the dudes I've seen who have long hair don't seem like they have long hair because they like long hair.  They seem like they have long hair because they're lazy.  Frizzy.  Dull.  Split ends.  Tied up in a messy pony tail with a standard office supply rubber band.  If that's your long hair look, then you should ditch it.  &#x200B;  If you want to rock the long hair as a dude, you need to be going to a stylist every couple months to get the ends cleaned up.  Style your hair like the long hair is intentional and not lazy.  Get a flat iron or a hot brush and learn how to use it.    &#x200B;  >I wash it as much as necessary  This concerns me.  I'm not sure if you mean that you don't over-wash it or if you mean that you're not washing it because it means you don't like conditioning, blow drying and styling it.","human_ref_B":"I did not graduate or looked for a job yet. However, humans are humans whether doctors, engineers... Looks are important no one can deny that. There things you cannot do anything about,  but at least dress well, be hygienic (smells sweat, mouth..) and if you have time hit the gym. Good luck dude","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8955.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"dur1bn","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"How much does appearance affect employability in engineering? I am a male currently looking for work in the mechanical engineering sector. I have long hair but keep it in a bun or in another neat looking hairstyle during the day and I wash it as much as necessary. In your experience is my hair going to be something that will hold me back from getting a job? Furthering on from this question, generally how conservative is engineering as a whole with regard to dress and appearances? Thanks for your time.","c_root_id_A":"f784uel","c_root_id_B":"f77yj50","created_at_utc_A":1573485267,"created_at_utc_B":1573480173,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"For day to day work:  Dress and style yourself appropriately for the company culture.  If company culture is suit and tie, your long hair may not go over.  But I will say that what is considered \"professional\" is definitely evolving.    &#x200B;  For interviewing:  Dress and style yourself for the team you want a position on.  Go stalk LinkedIn and look at profile pics.  Is everyone dressed and styled super conservative and traditionally professional?  You might want a shorter haircut.  If it's a younger company and the engineering team is more casual, the long hair might go over ok.  You can always grow your hair out when you've got the position you want.  &#x200B;  In general:  As a dude who is married to a dude and also an engineer...if you're gonna rock the long hair, rock the long hair.  But don't half ass the long hair.  It may be a cliche, but a lot of the dudes I've seen who have long hair don't seem like they have long hair because they like long hair.  They seem like they have long hair because they're lazy.  Frizzy.  Dull.  Split ends.  Tied up in a messy pony tail with a standard office supply rubber band.  If that's your long hair look, then you should ditch it.  &#x200B;  If you want to rock the long hair as a dude, you need to be going to a stylist every couple months to get the ends cleaned up.  Style your hair like the long hair is intentional and not lazy.  Get a flat iron or a hot brush and learn how to use it.    &#x200B;  >I wash it as much as necessary  This concerns me.  I'm not sure if you mean that you don't over-wash it or if you mean that you're not washing it because it means you don't like conditioning, blow drying and styling it.","human_ref_B":"I work for a very conservative civil firm, and they recently hired a new graduate with the same hair as you described. However, in the civil market right now, new graduates are getting a bunch of offers and can basically go wherever they want. I\u2019m not sure if this guy received the same amount of offers as his short-haired cohorts or not.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5094.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"dur1bn","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"How much does appearance affect employability in engineering? I am a male currently looking for work in the mechanical engineering sector. I have long hair but keep it in a bun or in another neat looking hairstyle during the day and I wash it as much as necessary. In your experience is my hair going to be something that will hold me back from getting a job? Furthering on from this question, generally how conservative is engineering as a whole with regard to dress and appearances? Thanks for your time.","c_root_id_A":"f77yf1g","c_root_id_B":"f77um1x","created_at_utc_A":1573480069,"created_at_utc_B":1573476312,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Really depends on company, culture,  and who you'll be working for.  Things are much less conservative nowadays.  The last place I worked there were quite a few men with long hair, tattoos, and piercings, and we could wear distressed clothes as long as we weren't visiting a customer. I think that if you're going to be in front of customers it may drive the dress code and you'll find the employer much more conservative.","human_ref_B":"I did not graduate or looked for a job yet. However, humans are humans whether doctors, engineers... Looks are important no one can deny that. There things you cannot do anything about,  but at least dress well, be hygienic (smells sweat, mouth..) and if you have time hit the gym. Good luck dude","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3757.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"dur1bn","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"How much does appearance affect employability in engineering? I am a male currently looking for work in the mechanical engineering sector. I have long hair but keep it in a bun or in another neat looking hairstyle during the day and I wash it as much as necessary. In your experience is my hair going to be something that will hold me back from getting a job? Furthering on from this question, generally how conservative is engineering as a whole with regard to dress and appearances? Thanks for your time.","c_root_id_A":"f77vhq1","c_root_id_B":"f77um1x","created_at_utc_A":1573477248,"created_at_utc_B":1573476312,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Sounds like a weird 2 cents but long hair with a beard will be much better received than long hair clean shaven. Provided it is a neatly trimmed beard that has full coverage. I think it also depends on the engineering field. In Civil, I found design companies were more concerned with appearance and that stuff than construction companies. I imagine it's dependent on the country as well.  Source: Have been a long hair and beardy civil engineer and a clean shaven, short back and sides civil engineer.","human_ref_B":"I did not graduate or looked for a job yet. However, humans are humans whether doctors, engineers... Looks are important no one can deny that. There things you cannot do anything about,  but at least dress well, be hygienic (smells sweat, mouth..) and if you have time hit the gym. Good luck dude","labels":1,"seconds_difference":936.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"idrtymf","c_root_id_B":"idrtu9j","created_at_utc_A":1656219837,"created_at_utc_B":1656219759,"score_A":246,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"If you want to stay ME because you like it, then stay ME. 66k is low for HCOL, but 100k+ is very reasonable to get to within 5 years depending on industry and location. Sure it's not software money, but ME is still going to be solidly above average earning.  If you want to chase the money in software, then do that. You don't need to justify your choices to anyone but yourself.  Either way, just you do you","human_ref_B":"RemindMe! 20 years","labels":1,"seconds_difference":78.0,"score_ratio":16.4}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"idrtymf","c_root_id_B":"idrtjzk","created_at_utc_A":1656219837,"created_at_utc_B":1656219575,"score_A":246,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"If you want to stay ME because you like it, then stay ME. 66k is low for HCOL, but 100k+ is very reasonable to get to within 5 years depending on industry and location. Sure it's not software money, but ME is still going to be solidly above average earning.  If you want to chase the money in software, then do that. You don't need to justify your choices to anyone but yourself.  Either way, just you do you","human_ref_B":"RemindMe! 2 day","labels":1,"seconds_difference":262.0,"score_ratio":61.5}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"idruack","c_root_id_B":"idrypww","created_at_utc_A":1656220046,"created_at_utc_B":1656223086,"score_A":32,"score_B":67,"human_ref_A":"just because you are underpaid as hell doesnt mean you wont make money lol.","human_ref_B":"Going to take this approach to this thread.  You'll make more money doing Software if you are good at it. You don't know the answer to that so you should figure that out and pull the trigger.  There are plenty of ways to see if you are good or if you have a few years before you get good.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3040.0,"score_ratio":2.09375}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"idrvmeq","c_root_id_B":"idrypww","created_at_utc_A":1656220911,"created_at_utc_B":1656223086,"score_A":16,"score_B":67,"human_ref_A":"Getting into SWE isn\u2019t the easiest unless you know for sure you have a place where you can work without a CS degree or work experience.  Any for-profit school is a waste of money","human_ref_B":"Going to take this approach to this thread.  You'll make more money doing Software if you are good at it. You don't know the answer to that so you should figure that out and pull the trigger.  There are plenty of ways to see if you are good or if you have a few years before you get good.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2175.0,"score_ratio":4.1875}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"idrtu9j","c_root_id_B":"idrypww","created_at_utc_A":1656219759,"created_at_utc_B":1656223086,"score_A":15,"score_B":67,"human_ref_A":"RemindMe! 20 years","human_ref_B":"Going to take this approach to this thread.  You'll make more money doing Software if you are good at it. You don't know the answer to that so you should figure that out and pull the trigger.  There are plenty of ways to see if you are good or if you have a few years before you get good.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3327.0,"score_ratio":4.4666666667}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"idrypww","c_root_id_B":"idru54u","created_at_utc_A":1656223086,"created_at_utc_B":1656219954,"score_A":67,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"Going to take this approach to this thread.  You'll make more money doing Software if you are good at it. You don't know the answer to that so you should figure that out and pull the trigger.  There are plenty of ways to see if you are good or if you have a few years before you get good.","human_ref_B":"I enjoy money","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3132.0,"score_ratio":6.7}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"idrypww","c_root_id_B":"idrtjzk","created_at_utc_A":1656223086,"created_at_utc_B":1656219575,"score_A":67,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Going to take this approach to this thread.  You'll make more money doing Software if you are good at it. You don't know the answer to that so you should figure that out and pull the trigger.  There are plenty of ways to see if you are good or if you have a few years before you get good.","human_ref_B":"RemindMe! 2 day","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3511.0,"score_ratio":16.75}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"idruack","c_root_id_B":"ids1zo0","created_at_utc_A":1656220046,"created_at_utc_B":1656225505,"score_A":32,"score_B":42,"human_ref_A":"just because you are underpaid as hell doesnt mean you wont make money lol.","human_ref_B":"If you feel unjust by the salaries delta now, its only going to get worse. A college buddy of mine working as a AE with about 10 years of experience is getting a little over 100k. Switched over to SWE and got a position for 200k TC. At this point, if you want to retire early and be able to get a job doing whatever you want, coding is not a bad delta. But like other said, if you can get into FAANG with a ME, you can also be compensated well, just not so much in the \"traditional\" big companies.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5459.0,"score_ratio":1.3125}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"ids1zo0","c_root_id_B":"idrvmeq","created_at_utc_A":1656225505,"created_at_utc_B":1656220911,"score_A":42,"score_B":16,"human_ref_A":"If you feel unjust by the salaries delta now, its only going to get worse. A college buddy of mine working as a AE with about 10 years of experience is getting a little over 100k. Switched over to SWE and got a position for 200k TC. At this point, if you want to retire early and be able to get a job doing whatever you want, coding is not a bad delta. But like other said, if you can get into FAANG with a ME, you can also be compensated well, just not so much in the \"traditional\" big companies.","human_ref_B":"Getting into SWE isn\u2019t the easiest unless you know for sure you have a place where you can work without a CS degree or work experience.  Any for-profit school is a waste of money","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4594.0,"score_ratio":2.625}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"idrtu9j","c_root_id_B":"ids1zo0","created_at_utc_A":1656219759,"created_at_utc_B":1656225505,"score_A":15,"score_B":42,"human_ref_A":"RemindMe! 20 years","human_ref_B":"If you feel unjust by the salaries delta now, its only going to get worse. A college buddy of mine working as a AE with about 10 years of experience is getting a little over 100k. Switched over to SWE and got a position for 200k TC. At this point, if you want to retire early and be able to get a job doing whatever you want, coding is not a bad delta. But like other said, if you can get into FAANG with a ME, you can also be compensated well, just not so much in the \"traditional\" big companies.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5746.0,"score_ratio":2.8}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"idru54u","c_root_id_B":"ids1zo0","created_at_utc_A":1656219954,"created_at_utc_B":1656225505,"score_A":10,"score_B":42,"human_ref_A":"I enjoy money","human_ref_B":"If you feel unjust by the salaries delta now, its only going to get worse. A college buddy of mine working as a AE with about 10 years of experience is getting a little over 100k. Switched over to SWE and got a position for 200k TC. At this point, if you want to retire early and be able to get a job doing whatever you want, coding is not a bad delta. But like other said, if you can get into FAANG with a ME, you can also be compensated well, just not so much in the \"traditional\" big companies.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5551.0,"score_ratio":4.2}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"idrtjzk","c_root_id_B":"ids1zo0","created_at_utc_A":1656219575,"created_at_utc_B":1656225505,"score_A":4,"score_B":42,"human_ref_A":"RemindMe! 2 day","human_ref_B":"If you feel unjust by the salaries delta now, its only going to get worse. A college buddy of mine working as a AE with about 10 years of experience is getting a little over 100k. Switched over to SWE and got a position for 200k TC. At this point, if you want to retire early and be able to get a job doing whatever you want, coding is not a bad delta. But like other said, if you can get into FAANG with a ME, you can also be compensated well, just not so much in the \"traditional\" big companies.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5930.0,"score_ratio":10.5}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"idrvmeq","c_root_id_B":"idsn1r5","created_at_utc_A":1656220911,"created_at_utc_B":1656243049,"score_A":16,"score_B":31,"human_ref_A":"Getting into SWE isn\u2019t the easiest unless you know for sure you have a place where you can work without a CS degree or work experience.  Any for-profit school is a waste of money","human_ref_B":"Sure it is.  Plus you can get into robotics if you want and utilize ME and coding skills.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":22138.0,"score_ratio":1.9375}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"idsn1r5","c_root_id_B":"idrtu9j","created_at_utc_A":1656243049,"created_at_utc_B":1656219759,"score_A":31,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"Sure it is.  Plus you can get into robotics if you want and utilize ME and coding skills.","human_ref_B":"RemindMe! 20 years","labels":1,"seconds_difference":23290.0,"score_ratio":2.0666666667}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"idsn1r5","c_root_id_B":"ids6hex","created_at_utc_A":1656243049,"created_at_utc_B":1656229093,"score_A":31,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"Sure it is.  Plus you can get into robotics if you want and utilize ME and coding skills.","human_ref_B":"I think that inless you like more coding than ME, better to stay a bit more. You can earn more after a few years and\/or changing companies. And at the end of the day, enjoying your job is important. Unless you really need the money and can make a happiness difference at the end of the month.  Money vs work joy is the issue here.  And i think money will come","labels":1,"seconds_difference":13956.0,"score_ratio":2.8181818182}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"idru54u","c_root_id_B":"idsn1r5","created_at_utc_A":1656219954,"created_at_utc_B":1656243049,"score_A":10,"score_B":31,"human_ref_A":"I enjoy money","human_ref_B":"Sure it is.  Plus you can get into robotics if you want and utilize ME and coding skills.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":23095.0,"score_ratio":3.1}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"ids5wd6","c_root_id_B":"idsn1r5","created_at_utc_A":1656228607,"created_at_utc_B":1656243049,"score_A":9,"score_B":31,"human_ref_A":"Also considering this an ME. More wfh opportunities as well","human_ref_B":"Sure it is.  Plus you can get into robotics if you want and utilize ME and coding skills.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":14442.0,"score_ratio":3.4444444444}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"idsinwp","c_root_id_B":"idsn1r5","created_at_utc_A":1656239645,"created_at_utc_B":1656243049,"score_A":8,"score_B":31,"human_ref_A":"How to u take the step to software engineering, which program does most engineers use?   I'm currently almost in the same situation, I'm just newly graduated but wants to learn about software development in my free time meanwhile I search for a job, I would like to have some knowledge it this field since we never had been taught about it as chemical and biotechnology engineer","human_ref_B":"Sure it is.  Plus you can get into robotics if you want and utilize ME and coding skills.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3404.0,"score_ratio":3.875}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"idsn1r5","c_root_id_B":"idsbwey","created_at_utc_A":1656243049,"created_at_utc_B":1656233708,"score_A":31,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Sure it is.  Plus you can get into robotics if you want and utilize ME and coding skills.","human_ref_B":"This is **your** career. If it's worth it to you, it's worth it. Sincerely, a banker who took a pay cut to become an engineer.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9341.0,"score_ratio":5.1666666667}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"idsn1r5","c_root_id_B":"idrtjzk","created_at_utc_A":1656243049,"created_at_utc_B":1656219575,"score_A":31,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Sure it is.  Plus you can get into robotics if you want and utilize ME and coding skills.","human_ref_B":"RemindMe! 2 day","labels":1,"seconds_difference":23474.0,"score_ratio":7.75}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"idslnbw","c_root_id_B":"idruack","created_at_utc_A":1656242015,"created_at_utc_B":1656220046,"score_A":34,"score_B":32,"human_ref_A":"Personally I think it's kind of strange to want to jump off the ME ship after only 1 year at what you admit is an underpaid position, effectively wasting the work you did on your degree.  If you like ME, search for better-paying ME jobs. It's still very much an employee's job market right now.  It's easy to get caught up in what you *could* (not necessarily would) make in software. But do you know if you even like programming?","human_ref_B":"just because you are underpaid as hell doesnt mean you wont make money lol.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":21969.0,"score_ratio":1.0625}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"idruack","c_root_id_B":"idrtu9j","created_at_utc_A":1656220046,"created_at_utc_B":1656219759,"score_A":32,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"just because you are underpaid as hell doesnt mean you wont make money lol.","human_ref_B":"RemindMe! 20 years","labels":1,"seconds_difference":287.0,"score_ratio":2.1333333333}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"idruack","c_root_id_B":"idru54u","created_at_utc_A":1656220046,"created_at_utc_B":1656219954,"score_A":32,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"just because you are underpaid as hell doesnt mean you wont make money lol.","human_ref_B":"I enjoy money","labels":1,"seconds_difference":92.0,"score_ratio":3.2}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"idruack","c_root_id_B":"idrtjzk","created_at_utc_A":1656220046,"created_at_utc_B":1656219575,"score_A":32,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"just because you are underpaid as hell doesnt mean you wont make money lol.","human_ref_B":"RemindMe! 2 day","labels":1,"seconds_difference":471.0,"score_ratio":8.0}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"idrvmeq","c_root_id_B":"idslnbw","created_at_utc_A":1656220911,"created_at_utc_B":1656242015,"score_A":16,"score_B":34,"human_ref_A":"Getting into SWE isn\u2019t the easiest unless you know for sure you have a place where you can work without a CS degree or work experience.  Any for-profit school is a waste of money","human_ref_B":"Personally I think it's kind of strange to want to jump off the ME ship after only 1 year at what you admit is an underpaid position, effectively wasting the work you did on your degree.  If you like ME, search for better-paying ME jobs. It's still very much an employee's job market right now.  It's easy to get caught up in what you *could* (not necessarily would) make in software. But do you know if you even like programming?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":21104.0,"score_ratio":2.125}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"idslnbw","c_root_id_B":"idrtu9j","created_at_utc_A":1656242015,"created_at_utc_B":1656219759,"score_A":34,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"Personally I think it's kind of strange to want to jump off the ME ship after only 1 year at what you admit is an underpaid position, effectively wasting the work you did on your degree.  If you like ME, search for better-paying ME jobs. It's still very much an employee's job market right now.  It's easy to get caught up in what you *could* (not necessarily would) make in software. But do you know if you even like programming?","human_ref_B":"RemindMe! 20 years","labels":1,"seconds_difference":22256.0,"score_ratio":2.2666666667}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"ids6hex","c_root_id_B":"idslnbw","created_at_utc_A":1656229093,"created_at_utc_B":1656242015,"score_A":11,"score_B":34,"human_ref_A":"I think that inless you like more coding than ME, better to stay a bit more. You can earn more after a few years and\/or changing companies. And at the end of the day, enjoying your job is important. Unless you really need the money and can make a happiness difference at the end of the month.  Money vs work joy is the issue here.  And i think money will come","human_ref_B":"Personally I think it's kind of strange to want to jump off the ME ship after only 1 year at what you admit is an underpaid position, effectively wasting the work you did on your degree.  If you like ME, search for better-paying ME jobs. It's still very much an employee's job market right now.  It's easy to get caught up in what you *could* (not necessarily would) make in software. But do you know if you even like programming?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":12922.0,"score_ratio":3.0909090909}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"idslnbw","c_root_id_B":"idru54u","created_at_utc_A":1656242015,"created_at_utc_B":1656219954,"score_A":34,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"Personally I think it's kind of strange to want to jump off the ME ship after only 1 year at what you admit is an underpaid position, effectively wasting the work you did on your degree.  If you like ME, search for better-paying ME jobs. It's still very much an employee's job market right now.  It's easy to get caught up in what you *could* (not necessarily would) make in software. But do you know if you even like programming?","human_ref_B":"I enjoy money","labels":1,"seconds_difference":22061.0,"score_ratio":3.4}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"idslnbw","c_root_id_B":"ids5wd6","created_at_utc_A":1656242015,"created_at_utc_B":1656228607,"score_A":34,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Personally I think it's kind of strange to want to jump off the ME ship after only 1 year at what you admit is an underpaid position, effectively wasting the work you did on your degree.  If you like ME, search for better-paying ME jobs. It's still very much an employee's job market right now.  It's easy to get caught up in what you *could* (not necessarily would) make in software. But do you know if you even like programming?","human_ref_B":"Also considering this an ME. More wfh opportunities as well","labels":1,"seconds_difference":13408.0,"score_ratio":3.7777777778}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"idslnbw","c_root_id_B":"idsinwp","created_at_utc_A":1656242015,"created_at_utc_B":1656239645,"score_A":34,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"Personally I think it's kind of strange to want to jump off the ME ship after only 1 year at what you admit is an underpaid position, effectively wasting the work you did on your degree.  If you like ME, search for better-paying ME jobs. It's still very much an employee's job market right now.  It's easy to get caught up in what you *could* (not necessarily would) make in software. But do you know if you even like programming?","human_ref_B":"How to u take the step to software engineering, which program does most engineers use?   I'm currently almost in the same situation, I'm just newly graduated but wants to learn about software development in my free time meanwhile I search for a job, I would like to have some knowledge it this field since we never had been taught about it as chemical and biotechnology engineer","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2370.0,"score_ratio":4.25}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"idslnbw","c_root_id_B":"idsbwey","created_at_utc_A":1656242015,"created_at_utc_B":1656233708,"score_A":34,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Personally I think it's kind of strange to want to jump off the ME ship after only 1 year at what you admit is an underpaid position, effectively wasting the work you did on your degree.  If you like ME, search for better-paying ME jobs. It's still very much an employee's job market right now.  It's easy to get caught up in what you *could* (not necessarily would) make in software. But do you know if you even like programming?","human_ref_B":"This is **your** career. If it's worth it to you, it's worth it. Sincerely, a banker who took a pay cut to become an engineer.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8307.0,"score_ratio":5.6666666667}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"idrtjzk","c_root_id_B":"idslnbw","created_at_utc_A":1656219575,"created_at_utc_B":1656242015,"score_A":4,"score_B":34,"human_ref_A":"RemindMe! 2 day","human_ref_B":"Personally I think it's kind of strange to want to jump off the ME ship after only 1 year at what you admit is an underpaid position, effectively wasting the work you did on your degree.  If you like ME, search for better-paying ME jobs. It's still very much an employee's job market right now.  It's easy to get caught up in what you *could* (not necessarily would) make in software. But do you know if you even like programming?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":22440.0,"score_ratio":8.5}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"idrvmeq","c_root_id_B":"idso7r0","created_at_utc_A":1656220911,"created_at_utc_B":1656243891,"score_A":16,"score_B":27,"human_ref_A":"Getting into SWE isn\u2019t the easiest unless you know for sure you have a place where you can work without a CS degree or work experience.  Any for-profit school is a waste of money","human_ref_B":"You can expect to make ~120-140k as a ME (2019 dollars)  Yes software pays more, but not much more.   However, I have a proposal. DONT do web dev, anyone can do that. Its outsourced easily, its done by non-degreed people, teenagers, etc..  What you want is some combination of ME and programming.   I'm doing something similar right now, I write scripts for CAD software and generally automate engineering jobs. To do this, it helps to know what engineers do, it helps to know what makes CAD useful, it helps to know their timelines\/deliverables.   Here is a starting point, try to automate your job. Two topics to look into:  >python + pyautogui (You can do this without being an admin, I believe I used miniconda)  >VBA and excel","labels":0,"seconds_difference":22980.0,"score_ratio":1.6875}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"idrtu9j","c_root_id_B":"idso7r0","created_at_utc_A":1656219759,"created_at_utc_B":1656243891,"score_A":15,"score_B":27,"human_ref_A":"RemindMe! 20 years","human_ref_B":"You can expect to make ~120-140k as a ME (2019 dollars)  Yes software pays more, but not much more.   However, I have a proposal. DONT do web dev, anyone can do that. Its outsourced easily, its done by non-degreed people, teenagers, etc..  What you want is some combination of ME and programming.   I'm doing something similar right now, I write scripts for CAD software and generally automate engineering jobs. To do this, it helps to know what engineers do, it helps to know what makes CAD useful, it helps to know their timelines\/deliverables.   Here is a starting point, try to automate your job. Two topics to look into:  >python + pyautogui (You can do this without being an admin, I believe I used miniconda)  >VBA and excel","labels":0,"seconds_difference":24132.0,"score_ratio":1.8}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"ids6hex","c_root_id_B":"idso7r0","created_at_utc_A":1656229093,"created_at_utc_B":1656243891,"score_A":11,"score_B":27,"human_ref_A":"I think that inless you like more coding than ME, better to stay a bit more. You can earn more after a few years and\/or changing companies. And at the end of the day, enjoying your job is important. Unless you really need the money and can make a happiness difference at the end of the month.  Money vs work joy is the issue here.  And i think money will come","human_ref_B":"You can expect to make ~120-140k as a ME (2019 dollars)  Yes software pays more, but not much more.   However, I have a proposal. DONT do web dev, anyone can do that. Its outsourced easily, its done by non-degreed people, teenagers, etc..  What you want is some combination of ME and programming.   I'm doing something similar right now, I write scripts for CAD software and generally automate engineering jobs. To do this, it helps to know what engineers do, it helps to know what makes CAD useful, it helps to know their timelines\/deliverables.   Here is a starting point, try to automate your job. Two topics to look into:  >python + pyautogui (You can do this without being an admin, I believe I used miniconda)  >VBA and excel","labels":0,"seconds_difference":14798.0,"score_ratio":2.4545454545}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"idru54u","c_root_id_B":"idso7r0","created_at_utc_A":1656219954,"created_at_utc_B":1656243891,"score_A":10,"score_B":27,"human_ref_A":"I enjoy money","human_ref_B":"You can expect to make ~120-140k as a ME (2019 dollars)  Yes software pays more, but not much more.   However, I have a proposal. DONT do web dev, anyone can do that. Its outsourced easily, its done by non-degreed people, teenagers, etc..  What you want is some combination of ME and programming.   I'm doing something similar right now, I write scripts for CAD software and generally automate engineering jobs. To do this, it helps to know what engineers do, it helps to know what makes CAD useful, it helps to know their timelines\/deliverables.   Here is a starting point, try to automate your job. Two topics to look into:  >python + pyautogui (You can do this without being an admin, I believe I used miniconda)  >VBA and excel","labels":0,"seconds_difference":23937.0,"score_ratio":2.7}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"idso7r0","c_root_id_B":"ids5wd6","created_at_utc_A":1656243891,"created_at_utc_B":1656228607,"score_A":27,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"You can expect to make ~120-140k as a ME (2019 dollars)  Yes software pays more, but not much more.   However, I have a proposal. DONT do web dev, anyone can do that. Its outsourced easily, its done by non-degreed people, teenagers, etc..  What you want is some combination of ME and programming.   I'm doing something similar right now, I write scripts for CAD software and generally automate engineering jobs. To do this, it helps to know what engineers do, it helps to know what makes CAD useful, it helps to know their timelines\/deliverables.   Here is a starting point, try to automate your job. Two topics to look into:  >python + pyautogui (You can do this without being an admin, I believe I used miniconda)  >VBA and excel","human_ref_B":"Also considering this an ME. More wfh opportunities as well","labels":1,"seconds_difference":15284.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"idso7r0","c_root_id_B":"idsinwp","created_at_utc_A":1656243891,"created_at_utc_B":1656239645,"score_A":27,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"You can expect to make ~120-140k as a ME (2019 dollars)  Yes software pays more, but not much more.   However, I have a proposal. DONT do web dev, anyone can do that. Its outsourced easily, its done by non-degreed people, teenagers, etc..  What you want is some combination of ME and programming.   I'm doing something similar right now, I write scripts for CAD software and generally automate engineering jobs. To do this, it helps to know what engineers do, it helps to know what makes CAD useful, it helps to know their timelines\/deliverables.   Here is a starting point, try to automate your job. Two topics to look into:  >python + pyautogui (You can do this without being an admin, I believe I used miniconda)  >VBA and excel","human_ref_B":"How to u take the step to software engineering, which program does most engineers use?   I'm currently almost in the same situation, I'm just newly graduated but wants to learn about software development in my free time meanwhile I search for a job, I would like to have some knowledge it this field since we never had been taught about it as chemical and biotechnology engineer","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4246.0,"score_ratio":3.375}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"idsbwey","c_root_id_B":"idso7r0","created_at_utc_A":1656233708,"created_at_utc_B":1656243891,"score_A":6,"score_B":27,"human_ref_A":"This is **your** career. If it's worth it to you, it's worth it. Sincerely, a banker who took a pay cut to become an engineer.","human_ref_B":"You can expect to make ~120-140k as a ME (2019 dollars)  Yes software pays more, but not much more.   However, I have a proposal. DONT do web dev, anyone can do that. Its outsourced easily, its done by non-degreed people, teenagers, etc..  What you want is some combination of ME and programming.   I'm doing something similar right now, I write scripts for CAD software and generally automate engineering jobs. To do this, it helps to know what engineers do, it helps to know what makes CAD useful, it helps to know their timelines\/deliverables.   Here is a starting point, try to automate your job. Two topics to look into:  >python + pyautogui (You can do this without being an admin, I believe I used miniconda)  >VBA and excel","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10183.0,"score_ratio":4.5}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"idso7r0","c_root_id_B":"idrtjzk","created_at_utc_A":1656243891,"created_at_utc_B":1656219575,"score_A":27,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"You can expect to make ~120-140k as a ME (2019 dollars)  Yes software pays more, but not much more.   However, I have a proposal. DONT do web dev, anyone can do that. Its outsourced easily, its done by non-degreed people, teenagers, etc..  What you want is some combination of ME and programming.   I'm doing something similar right now, I write scripts for CAD software and generally automate engineering jobs. To do this, it helps to know what engineers do, it helps to know what makes CAD useful, it helps to know their timelines\/deliverables.   Here is a starting point, try to automate your job. Two topics to look into:  >python + pyautogui (You can do this without being an admin, I believe I used miniconda)  >VBA and excel","human_ref_B":"RemindMe! 2 day","labels":1,"seconds_difference":24316.0,"score_ratio":6.75}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"idrtu9j","c_root_id_B":"idt64aq","created_at_utc_A":1656219759,"created_at_utc_B":1656254087,"score_A":15,"score_B":16,"human_ref_A":"RemindMe! 20 years","human_ref_B":"I mean, do you like software? Writing code for hours at a time can be extremely boring if you don't like what you're doing.  I got my degree in ME because I thought that's what you did if you wanted to work on robots, and I HATED it. I had enough experience with arduinos and the like to leverage an entry level embedded software role and have never looked back. Totally worth it, and yes I make a lot more than I did as an ME, but I jumped because I wanted to like my work. The money will definitely make it go down smooth, but if you find software boring you're going to be miserable.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":34328.0,"score_ratio":1.0666666667}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"ids6hex","c_root_id_B":"idt64aq","created_at_utc_A":1656229093,"created_at_utc_B":1656254087,"score_A":11,"score_B":16,"human_ref_A":"I think that inless you like more coding than ME, better to stay a bit more. You can earn more after a few years and\/or changing companies. And at the end of the day, enjoying your job is important. Unless you really need the money and can make a happiness difference at the end of the month.  Money vs work joy is the issue here.  And i think money will come","human_ref_B":"I mean, do you like software? Writing code for hours at a time can be extremely boring if you don't like what you're doing.  I got my degree in ME because I thought that's what you did if you wanted to work on robots, and I HATED it. I had enough experience with arduinos and the like to leverage an entry level embedded software role and have never looked back. Totally worth it, and yes I make a lot more than I did as an ME, but I jumped because I wanted to like my work. The money will definitely make it go down smooth, but if you find software boring you're going to be miserable.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":24994.0,"score_ratio":1.4545454545}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"idt64aq","c_root_id_B":"idru54u","created_at_utc_A":1656254087,"created_at_utc_B":1656219954,"score_A":16,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"I mean, do you like software? Writing code for hours at a time can be extremely boring if you don't like what you're doing.  I got my degree in ME because I thought that's what you did if you wanted to work on robots, and I HATED it. I had enough experience with arduinos and the like to leverage an entry level embedded software role and have never looked back. Totally worth it, and yes I make a lot more than I did as an ME, but I jumped because I wanted to like my work. The money will definitely make it go down smooth, but if you find software boring you're going to be miserable.","human_ref_B":"I enjoy money","labels":1,"seconds_difference":34133.0,"score_ratio":1.6}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"idt64aq","c_root_id_B":"ids5wd6","created_at_utc_A":1656254087,"created_at_utc_B":1656228607,"score_A":16,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"I mean, do you like software? Writing code for hours at a time can be extremely boring if you don't like what you're doing.  I got my degree in ME because I thought that's what you did if you wanted to work on robots, and I HATED it. I had enough experience with arduinos and the like to leverage an entry level embedded software role and have never looked back. Totally worth it, and yes I make a lot more than I did as an ME, but I jumped because I wanted to like my work. The money will definitely make it go down smooth, but if you find software boring you're going to be miserable.","human_ref_B":"Also considering this an ME. More wfh opportunities as well","labels":1,"seconds_difference":25480.0,"score_ratio":1.7777777778}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"idsinwp","c_root_id_B":"idt64aq","created_at_utc_A":1656239645,"created_at_utc_B":1656254087,"score_A":8,"score_B":16,"human_ref_A":"How to u take the step to software engineering, which program does most engineers use?   I'm currently almost in the same situation, I'm just newly graduated but wants to learn about software development in my free time meanwhile I search for a job, I would like to have some knowledge it this field since we never had been taught about it as chemical and biotechnology engineer","human_ref_B":"I mean, do you like software? Writing code for hours at a time can be extremely boring if you don't like what you're doing.  I got my degree in ME because I thought that's what you did if you wanted to work on robots, and I HATED it. I had enough experience with arduinos and the like to leverage an entry level embedded software role and have never looked back. Totally worth it, and yes I make a lot more than I did as an ME, but I jumped because I wanted to like my work. The money will definitely make it go down smooth, but if you find software boring you're going to be miserable.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":14442.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"idsbwey","c_root_id_B":"idt64aq","created_at_utc_A":1656233708,"created_at_utc_B":1656254087,"score_A":6,"score_B":16,"human_ref_A":"This is **your** career. If it's worth it to you, it's worth it. Sincerely, a banker who took a pay cut to become an engineer.","human_ref_B":"I mean, do you like software? Writing code for hours at a time can be extremely boring if you don't like what you're doing.  I got my degree in ME because I thought that's what you did if you wanted to work on robots, and I HATED it. I had enough experience with arduinos and the like to leverage an entry level embedded software role and have never looked back. Totally worth it, and yes I make a lot more than I did as an ME, but I jumped because I wanted to like my work. The money will definitely make it go down smooth, but if you find software boring you're going to be miserable.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":20379.0,"score_ratio":2.6666666667}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"idt64aq","c_root_id_B":"idrtjzk","created_at_utc_A":1656254087,"created_at_utc_B":1656219575,"score_A":16,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I mean, do you like software? Writing code for hours at a time can be extremely boring if you don't like what you're doing.  I got my degree in ME because I thought that's what you did if you wanted to work on robots, and I HATED it. I had enough experience with arduinos and the like to leverage an entry level embedded software role and have never looked back. Totally worth it, and yes I make a lot more than I did as an ME, but I jumped because I wanted to like my work. The money will definitely make it go down smooth, but if you find software boring you're going to be miserable.","human_ref_B":"RemindMe! 2 day","labels":1,"seconds_difference":34512.0,"score_ratio":4.0}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"idsql6i","c_root_id_B":"idt64aq","created_at_utc_A":1656245522,"created_at_utc_B":1656254087,"score_A":3,"score_B":16,"human_ref_A":"I made the switch about 4 years back and am loving it. But if you dont like programming, I dont think just doing it for the money is worth it. I would at least venture out and so some online courses to see if you would enjoy it first.","human_ref_B":"I mean, do you like software? Writing code for hours at a time can be extremely boring if you don't like what you're doing.  I got my degree in ME because I thought that's what you did if you wanted to work on robots, and I HATED it. I had enough experience with arduinos and the like to leverage an entry level embedded software role and have never looked back. Totally worth it, and yes I make a lot more than I did as an ME, but I jumped because I wanted to like my work. The money will definitely make it go down smooth, but if you find software boring you're going to be miserable.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8565.0,"score_ratio":5.3333333333}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"idt64aq","c_root_id_B":"idsy9x9","created_at_utc_A":1656254087,"created_at_utc_B":1656250118,"score_A":16,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I mean, do you like software? Writing code for hours at a time can be extremely boring if you don't like what you're doing.  I got my degree in ME because I thought that's what you did if you wanted to work on robots, and I HATED it. I had enough experience with arduinos and the like to leverage an entry level embedded software role and have never looked back. Totally worth it, and yes I make a lot more than I did as an ME, but I jumped because I wanted to like my work. The money will definitely make it go down smooth, but if you find software boring you're going to be miserable.","human_ref_B":"A friend of mine just did exactly this, and he loves it. I think part of it was he didnt actually enjoy engineering that much. At the moment he gets paid about the same, but with a much less stressful job, and in a few years he will be making radically more than he would be as an ME.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3969.0,"score_ratio":4.0}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"idsz8bn","c_root_id_B":"idt64aq","created_at_utc_A":1656250632,"created_at_utc_B":1656254087,"score_A":4,"score_B":16,"human_ref_A":"I had 5 years experience in ME before switching to software. I didn\u2019t go the developer route though, I went with engineering simulation software and did technical sales. Now I work at a FAANG doing roughly the same thing but making considerably more money. For me, it\u2019s not just the money but the fact tech jobs just end up being more flexible and you have more options. I do miss being hands on with things though (but that\u2019s what hobbies are for).","human_ref_B":"I mean, do you like software? Writing code for hours at a time can be extremely boring if you don't like what you're doing.  I got my degree in ME because I thought that's what you did if you wanted to work on robots, and I HATED it. I had enough experience with arduinos and the like to leverage an entry level embedded software role and have never looked back. Totally worth it, and yes I make a lot more than I did as an ME, but I jumped because I wanted to like my work. The money will definitely make it go down smooth, but if you find software boring you're going to be miserable.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3455.0,"score_ratio":4.0}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"idrtu9j","c_root_id_B":"idrvmeq","created_at_utc_A":1656219759,"created_at_utc_B":1656220911,"score_A":15,"score_B":16,"human_ref_A":"RemindMe! 20 years","human_ref_B":"Getting into SWE isn\u2019t the easiest unless you know for sure you have a place where you can work without a CS degree or work experience.  Any for-profit school is a waste of money","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1152.0,"score_ratio":1.0666666667}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"idrvmeq","c_root_id_B":"idru54u","created_at_utc_A":1656220911,"created_at_utc_B":1656219954,"score_A":16,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"Getting into SWE isn\u2019t the easiest unless you know for sure you have a place where you can work without a CS degree or work experience.  Any for-profit school is a waste of money","human_ref_B":"I enjoy money","labels":1,"seconds_difference":957.0,"score_ratio":1.6}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"idrtjzk","c_root_id_B":"idrvmeq","created_at_utc_A":1656219575,"created_at_utc_B":1656220911,"score_A":4,"score_B":16,"human_ref_A":"RemindMe! 2 day","human_ref_B":"Getting into SWE isn\u2019t the easiest unless you know for sure you have a place where you can work without a CS degree or work experience.  Any for-profit school is a waste of money","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1336.0,"score_ratio":4.0}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"idrtu9j","c_root_id_B":"idrtjzk","created_at_utc_A":1656219759,"created_at_utc_B":1656219575,"score_A":15,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"RemindMe! 20 years","human_ref_B":"RemindMe! 2 day","labels":1,"seconds_difference":184.0,"score_ratio":3.75}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"ids6hex","c_root_id_B":"idru54u","created_at_utc_A":1656229093,"created_at_utc_B":1656219954,"score_A":11,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"I think that inless you like more coding than ME, better to stay a bit more. You can earn more after a few years and\/or changing companies. And at the end of the day, enjoying your job is important. Unless you really need the money and can make a happiness difference at the end of the month.  Money vs work joy is the issue here.  And i think money will come","human_ref_B":"I enjoy money","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9139.0,"score_ratio":1.1}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"ids6hex","c_root_id_B":"ids5wd6","created_at_utc_A":1656229093,"created_at_utc_B":1656228607,"score_A":11,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"I think that inless you like more coding than ME, better to stay a bit more. You can earn more after a few years and\/or changing companies. And at the end of the day, enjoying your job is important. Unless you really need the money and can make a happiness difference at the end of the month.  Money vs work joy is the issue here.  And i think money will come","human_ref_B":"Also considering this an ME. More wfh opportunities as well","labels":1,"seconds_difference":486.0,"score_ratio":1.2222222222}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"ids6hex","c_root_id_B":"idrtjzk","created_at_utc_A":1656229093,"created_at_utc_B":1656219575,"score_A":11,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I think that inless you like more coding than ME, better to stay a bit more. You can earn more after a few years and\/or changing companies. And at the end of the day, enjoying your job is important. Unless you really need the money and can make a happiness difference at the end of the month.  Money vs work joy is the issue here.  And i think money will come","human_ref_B":"RemindMe! 2 day","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9518.0,"score_ratio":2.75}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"idru54u","c_root_id_B":"idrtjzk","created_at_utc_A":1656219954,"created_at_utc_B":1656219575,"score_A":10,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I enjoy money","human_ref_B":"RemindMe! 2 day","labels":1,"seconds_difference":379.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"idrtjzk","c_root_id_B":"ids5wd6","created_at_utc_A":1656219575,"created_at_utc_B":1656228607,"score_A":4,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"RemindMe! 2 day","human_ref_B":"Also considering this an ME. More wfh opportunities as well","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9032.0,"score_ratio":2.25}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"idsbwey","c_root_id_B":"idsinwp","created_at_utc_A":1656233708,"created_at_utc_B":1656239645,"score_A":6,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"This is **your** career. If it's worth it to you, it's worth it. Sincerely, a banker who took a pay cut to become an engineer.","human_ref_B":"How to u take the step to software engineering, which program does most engineers use?   I'm currently almost in the same situation, I'm just newly graduated but wants to learn about software development in my free time meanwhile I search for a job, I would like to have some knowledge it this field since we never had been taught about it as chemical and biotechnology engineer","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5937.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"idsinwp","c_root_id_B":"idrtjzk","created_at_utc_A":1656239645,"created_at_utc_B":1656219575,"score_A":8,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"How to u take the step to software engineering, which program does most engineers use?   I'm currently almost in the same situation, I'm just newly graduated but wants to learn about software development in my free time meanwhile I search for a job, I would like to have some knowledge it this field since we never had been taught about it as chemical and biotechnology engineer","human_ref_B":"RemindMe! 2 day","labels":1,"seconds_difference":20070.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"idrtjzk","c_root_id_B":"idsbwey","created_at_utc_A":1656219575,"created_at_utc_B":1656233708,"score_A":4,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"RemindMe! 2 day","human_ref_B":"This is **your** career. If it's worth it to you, it's worth it. Sincerely, a banker who took a pay cut to become an engineer.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":14133.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"idts16w","c_root_id_B":"idrtjzk","created_at_utc_A":1656263735,"created_at_utc_B":1656219575,"score_A":5,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"As an EE who just moved away from a software position, software sucks if it's not what you're interested in. Software is great for a lot of people, but in my experience, doing things just for the money, (especially when the alternative is still good, just not great money) is a recipe for just being miserable for a good portion of your life to make things moderately easier financially. Not worth it in my opinion, but everyone is different","human_ref_B":"RemindMe! 2 day","labels":1,"seconds_difference":44160.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"idts16w","c_root_id_B":"idsql6i","created_at_utc_A":1656263735,"created_at_utc_B":1656245522,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"As an EE who just moved away from a software position, software sucks if it's not what you're interested in. Software is great for a lot of people, but in my experience, doing things just for the money, (especially when the alternative is still good, just not great money) is a recipe for just being miserable for a good portion of your life to make things moderately easier financially. Not worth it in my opinion, but everyone is different","human_ref_B":"I made the switch about 4 years back and am loving it. But if you dont like programming, I dont think just doing it for the money is worth it. I would at least venture out and so some online courses to see if you would enjoy it first.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":18213.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"idsy9x9","c_root_id_B":"idts16w","created_at_utc_A":1656250118,"created_at_utc_B":1656263735,"score_A":4,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"A friend of mine just did exactly this, and he loves it. I think part of it was he didnt actually enjoy engineering that much. At the moment he gets paid about the same, but with a much less stressful job, and in a few years he will be making radically more than he would be as an ME.","human_ref_B":"As an EE who just moved away from a software position, software sucks if it's not what you're interested in. Software is great for a lot of people, but in my experience, doing things just for the money, (especially when the alternative is still good, just not great money) is a recipe for just being miserable for a good portion of your life to make things moderately easier financially. Not worth it in my opinion, but everyone is different","labels":0,"seconds_difference":13617.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"idts16w","c_root_id_B":"idsz8bn","created_at_utc_A":1656263735,"created_at_utc_B":1656250632,"score_A":5,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"As an EE who just moved away from a software position, software sucks if it's not what you're interested in. Software is great for a lot of people, but in my experience, doing things just for the money, (especially when the alternative is still good, just not great money) is a recipe for just being miserable for a good portion of your life to make things moderately easier financially. Not worth it in my opinion, but everyone is different","human_ref_B":"I had 5 years experience in ME before switching to software. I didn\u2019t go the developer route though, I went with engineering simulation software and did technical sales. Now I work at a FAANG doing roughly the same thing but making considerably more money. For me, it\u2019s not just the money but the fact tech jobs just end up being more flexible and you have more options. I do miss being hands on with things though (but that\u2019s what hobbies are for).","labels":1,"seconds_difference":13103.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"idu1ncd","c_root_id_B":"idrtjzk","created_at_utc_A":1656267940,"created_at_utc_B":1656219575,"score_A":5,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Wow some of the top comments are horrible\/bad advice\/copium\/ignorance to reality\u2026  Yeah it\u2019s a good enough reason but you should probably have more reasons. Career flexibility, career growth, remote work potential, etc are all additional reasons. You should also make sure you don\u2019t hate\/dislike SWE. Being miserable in the career after two years and wanting to go back and\/or change again can quickly wipe out the \u201cfor the money\u201d benefit.   FWIW the 90+ percentile Mech E makes ~50th percentile SWE money. Even in big FAANG, the base salary for a given level might not be too far off, but the stock grants and the advancement will be where the massive disparity lies.  Oh and not to mention regarding your \u201clove for mech E\u201d, I have it too but I\u2019ll tell you the job can feel way way different from small mech E low paying job to high paying mech E tech job at a megacorp. Many of those jobs feel way different, and you might not like it as you thought you did (or at least more than software). You could also get pigeon holed into various sub fields of mech E if you chase pay within the field (reliability Eng. Systems eng. Test Eng etc.)","human_ref_B":"RemindMe! 2 day","labels":1,"seconds_difference":48365.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"idu1ncd","c_root_id_B":"idsql6i","created_at_utc_A":1656267940,"created_at_utc_B":1656245522,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Wow some of the top comments are horrible\/bad advice\/copium\/ignorance to reality\u2026  Yeah it\u2019s a good enough reason but you should probably have more reasons. Career flexibility, career growth, remote work potential, etc are all additional reasons. You should also make sure you don\u2019t hate\/dislike SWE. Being miserable in the career after two years and wanting to go back and\/or change again can quickly wipe out the \u201cfor the money\u201d benefit.   FWIW the 90+ percentile Mech E makes ~50th percentile SWE money. Even in big FAANG, the base salary for a given level might not be too far off, but the stock grants and the advancement will be where the massive disparity lies.  Oh and not to mention regarding your \u201clove for mech E\u201d, I have it too but I\u2019ll tell you the job can feel way way different from small mech E low paying job to high paying mech E tech job at a megacorp. Many of those jobs feel way different, and you might not like it as you thought you did (or at least more than software). You could also get pigeon holed into various sub fields of mech E if you chase pay within the field (reliability Eng. Systems eng. Test Eng etc.)","human_ref_B":"I made the switch about 4 years back and am loving it. But if you dont like programming, I dont think just doing it for the money is worth it. I would at least venture out and so some online courses to see if you would enjoy it first.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":22418.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"idsy9x9","c_root_id_B":"idu1ncd","created_at_utc_A":1656250118,"created_at_utc_B":1656267940,"score_A":4,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"A friend of mine just did exactly this, and he loves it. I think part of it was he didnt actually enjoy engineering that much. At the moment he gets paid about the same, but with a much less stressful job, and in a few years he will be making radically more than he would be as an ME.","human_ref_B":"Wow some of the top comments are horrible\/bad advice\/copium\/ignorance to reality\u2026  Yeah it\u2019s a good enough reason but you should probably have more reasons. Career flexibility, career growth, remote work potential, etc are all additional reasons. You should also make sure you don\u2019t hate\/dislike SWE. Being miserable in the career after two years and wanting to go back and\/or change again can quickly wipe out the \u201cfor the money\u201d benefit.   FWIW the 90+ percentile Mech E makes ~50th percentile SWE money. Even in big FAANG, the base salary for a given level might not be too far off, but the stock grants and the advancement will be where the massive disparity lies.  Oh and not to mention regarding your \u201clove for mech E\u201d, I have it too but I\u2019ll tell you the job can feel way way different from small mech E low paying job to high paying mech E tech job at a megacorp. Many of those jobs feel way different, and you might not like it as you thought you did (or at least more than software). You could also get pigeon holed into various sub fields of mech E if you chase pay within the field (reliability Eng. Systems eng. Test Eng etc.)","labels":0,"seconds_difference":17822.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"idsz8bn","c_root_id_B":"idu1ncd","created_at_utc_A":1656250632,"created_at_utc_B":1656267940,"score_A":4,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"I had 5 years experience in ME before switching to software. I didn\u2019t go the developer route though, I went with engineering simulation software and did technical sales. Now I work at a FAANG doing roughly the same thing but making considerably more money. For me, it\u2019s not just the money but the fact tech jobs just end up being more flexible and you have more options. I do miss being hands on with things though (but that\u2019s what hobbies are for).","human_ref_B":"Wow some of the top comments are horrible\/bad advice\/copium\/ignorance to reality\u2026  Yeah it\u2019s a good enough reason but you should probably have more reasons. Career flexibility, career growth, remote work potential, etc are all additional reasons. You should also make sure you don\u2019t hate\/dislike SWE. Being miserable in the career after two years and wanting to go back and\/or change again can quickly wipe out the \u201cfor the money\u201d benefit.   FWIW the 90+ percentile Mech E makes ~50th percentile SWE money. Even in big FAANG, the base salary for a given level might not be too far off, but the stock grants and the advancement will be where the massive disparity lies.  Oh and not to mention regarding your \u201clove for mech E\u201d, I have it too but I\u2019ll tell you the job can feel way way different from small mech E low paying job to high paying mech E tech job at a megacorp. Many of those jobs feel way different, and you might not like it as you thought you did (or at least more than software). You could also get pigeon holed into various sub fields of mech E if you chase pay within the field (reliability Eng. Systems eng. Test Eng etc.)","labels":0,"seconds_difference":17308.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"idrtjzk","c_root_id_B":"idvj8jh","created_at_utc_A":1656219575,"created_at_utc_B":1656292694,"score_A":4,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"RemindMe! 2 day","human_ref_B":"Let\u2019s be serious here for a second OP.  You\u2019re in a HCOL area which likely attracts top talent because it\u2019s a desirable area. You probably weren\u2019t a strong candidate for ME as you ended up with what most entry level engineers in HCOL and even LCOL areas would consider on the low side.   You want to pivot to software as probably self taught and then expect to make the salaries you\u2019re seeing simply because you believe there\u2019s a lot of openings and they\u2019ll throw money at you. What if you end up on the low end for that as well. The ceiling for software seems high because you\u2019re selectively looking at desirable postings to support your current feelings. It\u2019s also low for many people if you\u2019re not at some top company or if you don\u2019t continuously adapt and impress and play office politics just like any other job.   Can you guarantee you\u2019ll make it to a top company and out perform all the other candidates that want those jobs. You like ME. Get another couple years of experience and bounce once you actually have an established skill set and can demand higher pay.  Only you can know for sure what your life goals are and what success will mean to you. Is the pay important because you want to retire as early as possible? Would you rather be doing something you actually enjoy that still pays well? Have a serious talk with yourself about what you want out of life, because a lot of people think money solves everything and quickly realize it doesn\u2019t once they have it.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":73119.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"idsql6i","c_root_id_B":"idvj8jh","created_at_utc_A":1656245522,"created_at_utc_B":1656292694,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"I made the switch about 4 years back and am loving it. But if you dont like programming, I dont think just doing it for the money is worth it. I would at least venture out and so some online courses to see if you would enjoy it first.","human_ref_B":"Let\u2019s be serious here for a second OP.  You\u2019re in a HCOL area which likely attracts top talent because it\u2019s a desirable area. You probably weren\u2019t a strong candidate for ME as you ended up with what most entry level engineers in HCOL and even LCOL areas would consider on the low side.   You want to pivot to software as probably self taught and then expect to make the salaries you\u2019re seeing simply because you believe there\u2019s a lot of openings and they\u2019ll throw money at you. What if you end up on the low end for that as well. The ceiling for software seems high because you\u2019re selectively looking at desirable postings to support your current feelings. It\u2019s also low for many people if you\u2019re not at some top company or if you don\u2019t continuously adapt and impress and play office politics just like any other job.   Can you guarantee you\u2019ll make it to a top company and out perform all the other candidates that want those jobs. You like ME. Get another couple years of experience and bounce once you actually have an established skill set and can demand higher pay.  Only you can know for sure what your life goals are and what success will mean to you. Is the pay important because you want to retire as early as possible? Would you rather be doing something you actually enjoy that still pays well? Have a serious talk with yourself about what you want out of life, because a lot of people think money solves everything and quickly realize it doesn\u2019t once they have it.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":47172.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"idvj8jh","c_root_id_B":"idsy9x9","created_at_utc_A":1656292694,"created_at_utc_B":1656250118,"score_A":5,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Let\u2019s be serious here for a second OP.  You\u2019re in a HCOL area which likely attracts top talent because it\u2019s a desirable area. You probably weren\u2019t a strong candidate for ME as you ended up with what most entry level engineers in HCOL and even LCOL areas would consider on the low side.   You want to pivot to software as probably self taught and then expect to make the salaries you\u2019re seeing simply because you believe there\u2019s a lot of openings and they\u2019ll throw money at you. What if you end up on the low end for that as well. The ceiling for software seems high because you\u2019re selectively looking at desirable postings to support your current feelings. It\u2019s also low for many people if you\u2019re not at some top company or if you don\u2019t continuously adapt and impress and play office politics just like any other job.   Can you guarantee you\u2019ll make it to a top company and out perform all the other candidates that want those jobs. You like ME. Get another couple years of experience and bounce once you actually have an established skill set and can demand higher pay.  Only you can know for sure what your life goals are and what success will mean to you. Is the pay important because you want to retire as early as possible? Would you rather be doing something you actually enjoy that still pays well? Have a serious talk with yourself about what you want out of life, because a lot of people think money solves everything and quickly realize it doesn\u2019t once they have it.","human_ref_B":"A friend of mine just did exactly this, and he loves it. I think part of it was he didnt actually enjoy engineering that much. At the moment he gets paid about the same, but with a much less stressful job, and in a few years he will be making radically more than he would be as an ME.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":42576.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"idsz8bn","c_root_id_B":"idvj8jh","created_at_utc_A":1656250632,"created_at_utc_B":1656292694,"score_A":4,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"I had 5 years experience in ME before switching to software. I didn\u2019t go the developer route though, I went with engineering simulation software and did technical sales. Now I work at a FAANG doing roughly the same thing but making considerably more money. For me, it\u2019s not just the money but the fact tech jobs just end up being more flexible and you have more options. I do miss being hands on with things though (but that\u2019s what hobbies are for).","human_ref_B":"Let\u2019s be serious here for a second OP.  You\u2019re in a HCOL area which likely attracts top talent because it\u2019s a desirable area. You probably weren\u2019t a strong candidate for ME as you ended up with what most entry level engineers in HCOL and even LCOL areas would consider on the low side.   You want to pivot to software as probably self taught and then expect to make the salaries you\u2019re seeing simply because you believe there\u2019s a lot of openings and they\u2019ll throw money at you. What if you end up on the low end for that as well. The ceiling for software seems high because you\u2019re selectively looking at desirable postings to support your current feelings. It\u2019s also low for many people if you\u2019re not at some top company or if you don\u2019t continuously adapt and impress and play office politics just like any other job.   Can you guarantee you\u2019ll make it to a top company and out perform all the other candidates that want those jobs. You like ME. Get another couple years of experience and bounce once you actually have an established skill set and can demand higher pay.  Only you can know for sure what your life goals are and what success will mean to you. Is the pay important because you want to retire as early as possible? Would you rather be doing something you actually enjoy that still pays well? Have a serious talk with yourself about what you want out of life, because a lot of people think money solves everything and quickly realize it doesn\u2019t once they have it.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":42062.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"idtn5oq","c_root_id_B":"idrtjzk","created_at_utc_A":1656261632,"created_at_utc_B":1656219575,"score_A":5,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Yes, switching careers for higher pay is a good idea. We live in an economy where we need money to survive and increase our wealth. If you\u2019re not making enough at your current job to sustain your lifestyle or increase your net worth, then it\u2019s best that you move.","human_ref_B":"RemindMe! 2 day","labels":1,"seconds_difference":42057.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"idsy9x9","c_root_id_B":"idsql6i","created_at_utc_A":1656250118,"created_at_utc_B":1656245522,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"A friend of mine just did exactly this, and he loves it. I think part of it was he didnt actually enjoy engineering that much. At the moment he gets paid about the same, but with a much less stressful job, and in a few years he will be making radically more than he would be as an ME.","human_ref_B":"I made the switch about 4 years back and am loving it. But if you dont like programming, I dont think just doing it for the money is worth it. I would at least venture out and so some online courses to see if you would enjoy it first.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4596.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"idsql6i","c_root_id_B":"idsz8bn","created_at_utc_A":1656245522,"created_at_utc_B":1656250632,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I made the switch about 4 years back and am loving it. But if you dont like programming, I dont think just doing it for the money is worth it. I would at least venture out and so some online courses to see if you would enjoy it first.","human_ref_B":"I had 5 years experience in ME before switching to software. I didn\u2019t go the developer route though, I went with engineering simulation software and did technical sales. Now I work at a FAANG doing roughly the same thing but making considerably more money. For me, it\u2019s not just the money but the fact tech jobs just end up being more flexible and you have more options. I do miss being hands on with things though (but that\u2019s what hobbies are for).","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5110.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"idsql6i","c_root_id_B":"idtn5oq","created_at_utc_A":1656245522,"created_at_utc_B":1656261632,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"I made the switch about 4 years back and am loving it. But if you dont like programming, I dont think just doing it for the money is worth it. I would at least venture out and so some online courses to see if you would enjoy it first.","human_ref_B":"Yes, switching careers for higher pay is a good idea. We live in an economy where we need money to survive and increase our wealth. If you\u2019re not making enough at your current job to sustain your lifestyle or increase your net worth, then it\u2019s best that you move.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":16110.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"idtn5oq","c_root_id_B":"idsy9x9","created_at_utc_A":1656261632,"created_at_utc_B":1656250118,"score_A":5,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Yes, switching careers for higher pay is a good idea. We live in an economy where we need money to survive and increase our wealth. If you\u2019re not making enough at your current job to sustain your lifestyle or increase your net worth, then it\u2019s best that you move.","human_ref_B":"A friend of mine just did exactly this, and he loves it. I think part of it was he didnt actually enjoy engineering that much. At the moment he gets paid about the same, but with a much less stressful job, and in a few years he will be making radically more than he would be as an ME.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":11514.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"vkwptk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is making the switch from ME to Software \"just for the money\" a good enough reason? Hey everyone..    I'm an ME with 1 year of experience working in mechanical design in a niche industry. I'm pretty underpaid (making $66k in a VHCOL because it was what I could get), and recently I've been seriously thinking about starting to go down the software path (whether it's web dev or anything else) because the pay seemed so much better. Just doing a quick search for entry level developer jobs in my city showed the lower end of the entry level salaries at 80\\~90k which is almost 50% more of what I'm making now, and most of them didn't even require a degree.. That's not including the FAANG pay which is on a whole other level.. That and the fact that their jobs are way more flexible and in higher demand and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.  Now the problem is that I genuinely like ME, but it seems like the a senior ME salary is the same as an entry level software salary these days and the gap is growing every day..    What do you guys think.. Is doing it just for the money a good idea?      Thanks in advance!","c_root_id_A":"idtn5oq","c_root_id_B":"idsz8bn","created_at_utc_A":1656261632,"created_at_utc_B":1656250632,"score_A":5,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Yes, switching careers for higher pay is a good idea. We live in an economy where we need money to survive and increase our wealth. If you\u2019re not making enough at your current job to sustain your lifestyle or increase your net worth, then it\u2019s best that you move.","human_ref_B":"I had 5 years experience in ME before switching to software. I didn\u2019t go the developer route though, I went with engineering simulation software and did technical sales. Now I work at a FAANG doing roughly the same thing but making considerably more money. For me, it\u2019s not just the money but the fact tech jobs just end up being more flexible and you have more options. I do miss being hands on with things though (but that\u2019s what hobbies are for).","labels":1,"seconds_difference":11000.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"amhs3e","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What do you think of Elon Musk building his spaceship out of stainless steel? https:\/\/www.popularmechanics.com\/space\/rockets\/a25953663\/elon-musk-spacex-bfr-stainless-steel\/","c_root_id_A":"efm4kyk","c_root_id_B":"efm14jl","created_at_utc_A":1549141021,"created_at_utc_B":1549138224,"score_A":186,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"from what I've heard, cryo-forming of large sheets was difficult in the past. now I think they can cryo-form 301 stainless sheet, which makes it stronger and more available for a project like a rocket than ever before. it's also been confirmed that SpaceX will be customizing the alloy for rocket use, and possibly doing some advanced modern \"superalloy\" stuff. I read that musk retweeted something about a alloy of steel that had some impregnation of oxygen or hydrogen or something that dramatically increase its performance. I wish I could find that tweet now.  &#x200B;  even with regular stainless, there are some good properties, when you consider building reusable rockets:- endurance limit (good if you want a reusable rocket).   &#x200B;  \\- fracture toughness  \\- fracture toughness from cryo temps all the way up to re-entry temps (SUPER important factor)  \\- resistance to heat cycling fatigue (good if you want a reusable rocket)  \\- IR Reflectivity, (for building a reusable metal heatshield)  I've been using matweb and AZOM to look up metals while thinking about this:  &#x200B;  the Falcon 9 uses  AA 2198, I think. I can't find good information on that exact alloy.  from matweb, 2000 sieries AL:  Density \t 0.0932 - 0.104 lb\/in\u00b3  Fracture Toughness \t19.0 - 49.0 MPa  Tensile Strength     172 - 670 MPa  &#x200B;  from AZOM, 316 stainless:  Density   491.308  - 503.794  lb\/ft3 (0.284 - 0.291 lb\/cubit inch)  Fracture Toughness 112 - 278 MPa  Tensile Strength   480 - 620MPa  &#x200B;  edit: From AZOM, 301 stainless:  Density 7.83 - 8.03Mg\/m3  Fracture Toughness  68 - 280 MPa.m1\/2  Tensile Strength  515 - 760 MPa  &#x200B;  &#x200B;  so, if you look at F9 material (2000 series) vs Starship material (300 series), stainless is about 2.8x more dense, but tensile strength ranges from 3x stronger to around the same stregth. since SpaceX is spinning their own alloy of steel (rumor has it), I think it's safe to say that *IF* AA2198 is at the high end of that range, the steel is going to be stronger. so, the steel will be stronger but heavier, worse S\/W than AA2198. however, the toughness of stainless is definitely more than 3x higher (10x in part of that range). now, keep in mind that the AA2198 would not be able to re-enter the atmosphere from mars without heat shield, so the weight of the AA2198+heatshield probably gives away most, if not all, of the yield strength to wright ratio advantage it had.  &#x200B;  now, I'm not a materials expert, I only had one \"mechanical\" materials class in college (I'm an EE). on top of that, there are more factors involved than the ones shown, but you get the picture; stainless might have been an OKAY option if you're not considering the heat-shield (heavier, but tougher); some rockets have been made with SS. now, in a world where toughness and endurance limit matters a lot more (re-use of rockets) and you have a scenario where the AL needs heat shield bus SS does not, then I think SS wins, hands down.  &#x200B;  I wish I had comparable data for carbon fiber, but it's such a different material that it's hard to compare. I do know it would have a MUCH higher strength to weight ratio, but would have a MUCH worse toughness, and again, would require heat shield.  &#x200B;  titanium is a sort of middle child; toughness and density right between the two, but with potentially better strength to weight than both, but lower service temperature and less reflective of IR (thus, not as good for re-entry). ti is also going to be harder to build\/weld without losing strength, some some of the great tensile strength to weight of Ti will be lost due to weakening in manufacture. also Ti a lot more expensive.  &#x200B;  TL;DR: if you look at it, Stainless has never been far behind the other space-grade metals, but re-use, heat reflection, and active cooling put the metal over the top in terms of mission priorities. methane fuel is cheap, so re-use of the booster will save you a lot more money than you MIGHT lose on a slightly heavier rocket.","human_ref_B":"Interesting idea reminiscent of the Soviet Union building Mig-25s out of steel, but perhaps with a better foundation.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2797.0,"score_ratio":15.5}
{"post_id":"amhs3e","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What do you think of Elon Musk building his spaceship out of stainless steel? https:\/\/www.popularmechanics.com\/space\/rockets\/a25953663\/elon-musk-spacex-bfr-stainless-steel\/","c_root_id_A":"efm3h03","c_root_id_B":"efm4kyk","created_at_utc_A":1549140109,"created_at_utc_B":1549141021,"score_A":9,"score_B":186,"human_ref_A":"Here\u2019s the thing about the engineering. So long as you meet the physical restraints of a problem, you can solve it in any fashion you want. You could go to space in a ship made out of bubblegum. Sure you\u2019re gonna need a ton of bubble gum and mor fuel and everything but it\u2019s theoretically possible. Is it feasible, probably not. But possible.   So in terms of him using SS, cool. I\u2019m sure the purposes he needs are different than others. Thus justifying the use of SS.","human_ref_B":"from what I've heard, cryo-forming of large sheets was difficult in the past. now I think they can cryo-form 301 stainless sheet, which makes it stronger and more available for a project like a rocket than ever before. it's also been confirmed that SpaceX will be customizing the alloy for rocket use, and possibly doing some advanced modern \"superalloy\" stuff. I read that musk retweeted something about a alloy of steel that had some impregnation of oxygen or hydrogen or something that dramatically increase its performance. I wish I could find that tweet now.  &#x200B;  even with regular stainless, there are some good properties, when you consider building reusable rockets:- endurance limit (good if you want a reusable rocket).   &#x200B;  \\- fracture toughness  \\- fracture toughness from cryo temps all the way up to re-entry temps (SUPER important factor)  \\- resistance to heat cycling fatigue (good if you want a reusable rocket)  \\- IR Reflectivity, (for building a reusable metal heatshield)  I've been using matweb and AZOM to look up metals while thinking about this:  &#x200B;  the Falcon 9 uses  AA 2198, I think. I can't find good information on that exact alloy.  from matweb, 2000 sieries AL:  Density \t 0.0932 - 0.104 lb\/in\u00b3  Fracture Toughness \t19.0 - 49.0 MPa  Tensile Strength     172 - 670 MPa  &#x200B;  from AZOM, 316 stainless:  Density   491.308  - 503.794  lb\/ft3 (0.284 - 0.291 lb\/cubit inch)  Fracture Toughness 112 - 278 MPa  Tensile Strength   480 - 620MPa  &#x200B;  edit: From AZOM, 301 stainless:  Density 7.83 - 8.03Mg\/m3  Fracture Toughness  68 - 280 MPa.m1\/2  Tensile Strength  515 - 760 MPa  &#x200B;  &#x200B;  so, if you look at F9 material (2000 series) vs Starship material (300 series), stainless is about 2.8x more dense, but tensile strength ranges from 3x stronger to around the same stregth. since SpaceX is spinning their own alloy of steel (rumor has it), I think it's safe to say that *IF* AA2198 is at the high end of that range, the steel is going to be stronger. so, the steel will be stronger but heavier, worse S\/W than AA2198. however, the toughness of stainless is definitely more than 3x higher (10x in part of that range). now, keep in mind that the AA2198 would not be able to re-enter the atmosphere from mars without heat shield, so the weight of the AA2198+heatshield probably gives away most, if not all, of the yield strength to wright ratio advantage it had.  &#x200B;  now, I'm not a materials expert, I only had one \"mechanical\" materials class in college (I'm an EE). on top of that, there are more factors involved than the ones shown, but you get the picture; stainless might have been an OKAY option if you're not considering the heat-shield (heavier, but tougher); some rockets have been made with SS. now, in a world where toughness and endurance limit matters a lot more (re-use of rockets) and you have a scenario where the AL needs heat shield bus SS does not, then I think SS wins, hands down.  &#x200B;  I wish I had comparable data for carbon fiber, but it's such a different material that it's hard to compare. I do know it would have a MUCH higher strength to weight ratio, but would have a MUCH worse toughness, and again, would require heat shield.  &#x200B;  titanium is a sort of middle child; toughness and density right between the two, but with potentially better strength to weight than both, but lower service temperature and less reflective of IR (thus, not as good for re-entry). ti is also going to be harder to build\/weld without losing strength, some some of the great tensile strength to weight of Ti will be lost due to weakening in manufacture. also Ti a lot more expensive.  &#x200B;  TL;DR: if you look at it, Stainless has never been far behind the other space-grade metals, but re-use, heat reflection, and active cooling put the metal over the top in terms of mission priorities. methane fuel is cheap, so re-use of the booster will save you a lot more money than you MIGHT lose on a slightly heavier rocket.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":912.0,"score_ratio":20.6666666667}
{"post_id":"amhs3e","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What do you think of Elon Musk building his spaceship out of stainless steel? https:\/\/www.popularmechanics.com\/space\/rockets\/a25953663\/elon-musk-spacex-bfr-stainless-steel\/","c_root_id_A":"efm4kyk","c_root_id_B":"efm22d7","created_at_utc_A":1549141021,"created_at_utc_B":1549138975,"score_A":186,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"from what I've heard, cryo-forming of large sheets was difficult in the past. now I think they can cryo-form 301 stainless sheet, which makes it stronger and more available for a project like a rocket than ever before. it's also been confirmed that SpaceX will be customizing the alloy for rocket use, and possibly doing some advanced modern \"superalloy\" stuff. I read that musk retweeted something about a alloy of steel that had some impregnation of oxygen or hydrogen or something that dramatically increase its performance. I wish I could find that tweet now.  &#x200B;  even with regular stainless, there are some good properties, when you consider building reusable rockets:- endurance limit (good if you want a reusable rocket).   &#x200B;  \\- fracture toughness  \\- fracture toughness from cryo temps all the way up to re-entry temps (SUPER important factor)  \\- resistance to heat cycling fatigue (good if you want a reusable rocket)  \\- IR Reflectivity, (for building a reusable metal heatshield)  I've been using matweb and AZOM to look up metals while thinking about this:  &#x200B;  the Falcon 9 uses  AA 2198, I think. I can't find good information on that exact alloy.  from matweb, 2000 sieries AL:  Density \t 0.0932 - 0.104 lb\/in\u00b3  Fracture Toughness \t19.0 - 49.0 MPa  Tensile Strength     172 - 670 MPa  &#x200B;  from AZOM, 316 stainless:  Density   491.308  - 503.794  lb\/ft3 (0.284 - 0.291 lb\/cubit inch)  Fracture Toughness 112 - 278 MPa  Tensile Strength   480 - 620MPa  &#x200B;  edit: From AZOM, 301 stainless:  Density 7.83 - 8.03Mg\/m3  Fracture Toughness  68 - 280 MPa.m1\/2  Tensile Strength  515 - 760 MPa  &#x200B;  &#x200B;  so, if you look at F9 material (2000 series) vs Starship material (300 series), stainless is about 2.8x more dense, but tensile strength ranges from 3x stronger to around the same stregth. since SpaceX is spinning their own alloy of steel (rumor has it), I think it's safe to say that *IF* AA2198 is at the high end of that range, the steel is going to be stronger. so, the steel will be stronger but heavier, worse S\/W than AA2198. however, the toughness of stainless is definitely more than 3x higher (10x in part of that range). now, keep in mind that the AA2198 would not be able to re-enter the atmosphere from mars without heat shield, so the weight of the AA2198+heatshield probably gives away most, if not all, of the yield strength to wright ratio advantage it had.  &#x200B;  now, I'm not a materials expert, I only had one \"mechanical\" materials class in college (I'm an EE). on top of that, there are more factors involved than the ones shown, but you get the picture; stainless might have been an OKAY option if you're not considering the heat-shield (heavier, but tougher); some rockets have been made with SS. now, in a world where toughness and endurance limit matters a lot more (re-use of rockets) and you have a scenario where the AL needs heat shield bus SS does not, then I think SS wins, hands down.  &#x200B;  I wish I had comparable data for carbon fiber, but it's such a different material that it's hard to compare. I do know it would have a MUCH higher strength to weight ratio, but would have a MUCH worse toughness, and again, would require heat shield.  &#x200B;  titanium is a sort of middle child; toughness and density right between the two, but with potentially better strength to weight than both, but lower service temperature and less reflective of IR (thus, not as good for re-entry). ti is also going to be harder to build\/weld without losing strength, some some of the great tensile strength to weight of Ti will be lost due to weakening in manufacture. also Ti a lot more expensive.  &#x200B;  TL;DR: if you look at it, Stainless has never been far behind the other space-grade metals, but re-use, heat reflection, and active cooling put the metal over the top in terms of mission priorities. methane fuel is cheap, so re-use of the booster will save you a lot more money than you MIGHT lose on a slightly heavier rocket.","human_ref_B":"This guy has a few good comparisons https:\/\/youtu.be\/LogE40_wR9k","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2046.0,"score_ratio":62.0}
{"post_id":"amhs3e","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What do you think of Elon Musk building his spaceship out of stainless steel? https:\/\/www.popularmechanics.com\/space\/rockets\/a25953663\/elon-musk-spacex-bfr-stainless-steel\/","c_root_id_A":"efm14jl","c_root_id_B":"efmae3t","created_at_utc_A":1549138224,"created_at_utc_B":1549145831,"score_A":12,"score_B":58,"human_ref_A":"Interesting idea reminiscent of the Soviet Union building Mig-25s out of steel, but perhaps with a better foundation.","human_ref_B":"A better way to think of it is that SpaceX is building the thermal protection system out of stainless steel.  If I recall correctly, the entire windward surface is perspiration-cooled. Stainless steel is a fairly good choice for this application because it will not oxidize at the elevated operating temperatures. Common choices for similar applications (i.e. turbine blades) are titanium and inconel (nickel alloy), but making an entire rocket out of either of those materials would be prohibitively expensive.   My biggest question is how they expect to manifold all of that coolant underneath an entire face of the spacecraft. Presumably trade studies were done on whether or not it is worth carrying all of the fluid control hardware and extra fuel, vs. just carrying enough ablative material to get you through a couple re-entries. The stagnation pressure on those orifices is probably going to require some hefty turbomachinery that can't be staged off. Maybe they're using some sort of blowdown, I don't know... In any case, I'd want to see a couple come back safe before I hopped in one.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7607.0,"score_ratio":4.8333333333}
{"post_id":"amhs3e","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What do you think of Elon Musk building his spaceship out of stainless steel? https:\/\/www.popularmechanics.com\/space\/rockets\/a25953663\/elon-musk-spacex-bfr-stainless-steel\/","c_root_id_A":"efm3h03","c_root_id_B":"efmae3t","created_at_utc_A":1549140109,"created_at_utc_B":1549145831,"score_A":9,"score_B":58,"human_ref_A":"Here\u2019s the thing about the engineering. So long as you meet the physical restraints of a problem, you can solve it in any fashion you want. You could go to space in a ship made out of bubblegum. Sure you\u2019re gonna need a ton of bubble gum and mor fuel and everything but it\u2019s theoretically possible. Is it feasible, probably not. But possible.   So in terms of him using SS, cool. I\u2019m sure the purposes he needs are different than others. Thus justifying the use of SS.","human_ref_B":"A better way to think of it is that SpaceX is building the thermal protection system out of stainless steel.  If I recall correctly, the entire windward surface is perspiration-cooled. Stainless steel is a fairly good choice for this application because it will not oxidize at the elevated operating temperatures. Common choices for similar applications (i.e. turbine blades) are titanium and inconel (nickel alloy), but making an entire rocket out of either of those materials would be prohibitively expensive.   My biggest question is how they expect to manifold all of that coolant underneath an entire face of the spacecraft. Presumably trade studies were done on whether or not it is worth carrying all of the fluid control hardware and extra fuel, vs. just carrying enough ablative material to get you through a couple re-entries. The stagnation pressure on those orifices is probably going to require some hefty turbomachinery that can't be staged off. Maybe they're using some sort of blowdown, I don't know... In any case, I'd want to see a couple come back safe before I hopped in one.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5722.0,"score_ratio":6.4444444444}
{"post_id":"amhs3e","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What do you think of Elon Musk building his spaceship out of stainless steel? https:\/\/www.popularmechanics.com\/space\/rockets\/a25953663\/elon-musk-spacex-bfr-stainless-steel\/","c_root_id_A":"efmae3t","c_root_id_B":"efm22d7","created_at_utc_A":1549145831,"created_at_utc_B":1549138975,"score_A":58,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"A better way to think of it is that SpaceX is building the thermal protection system out of stainless steel.  If I recall correctly, the entire windward surface is perspiration-cooled. Stainless steel is a fairly good choice for this application because it will not oxidize at the elevated operating temperatures. Common choices for similar applications (i.e. turbine blades) are titanium and inconel (nickel alloy), but making an entire rocket out of either of those materials would be prohibitively expensive.   My biggest question is how they expect to manifold all of that coolant underneath an entire face of the spacecraft. Presumably trade studies were done on whether or not it is worth carrying all of the fluid control hardware and extra fuel, vs. just carrying enough ablative material to get you through a couple re-entries. The stagnation pressure on those orifices is probably going to require some hefty turbomachinery that can't be staged off. Maybe they're using some sort of blowdown, I don't know... In any case, I'd want to see a couple come back safe before I hopped in one.","human_ref_B":"This guy has a few good comparisons https:\/\/youtu.be\/LogE40_wR9k","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6856.0,"score_ratio":19.3333333333}
{"post_id":"amhs3e","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What do you think of Elon Musk building his spaceship out of stainless steel? https:\/\/www.popularmechanics.com\/space\/rockets\/a25953663\/elon-musk-spacex-bfr-stainless-steel\/","c_root_id_A":"efm14jl","c_root_id_B":"efn0zdk","created_at_utc_A":1549138224,"created_at_utc_B":1549169136,"score_A":12,"score_B":39,"human_ref_A":"Interesting idea reminiscent of the Soviet Union building Mig-25s out of steel, but perhaps with a better foundation.","human_ref_B":"Millwright\/stainless fabricator here. The single most important thing for mars bound technology is that you can fix the bloody thing. Tig welding stainless on mars? I\u2019m sure it can be done. There should be enough atmospheric pressure to get an argon bubble to form around your arc and there is hopefully enough gravity that you can float out impurities. With the 0.1% oxygen content of mars you won\u2019t even need to back purge.   Good luck fixing your damaged composite hull on the red planet.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":30912.0,"score_ratio":3.25}
{"post_id":"amhs3e","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What do you think of Elon Musk building his spaceship out of stainless steel? https:\/\/www.popularmechanics.com\/space\/rockets\/a25953663\/elon-musk-spacex-bfr-stainless-steel\/","c_root_id_A":"efm3h03","c_root_id_B":"efn0zdk","created_at_utc_A":1549140109,"created_at_utc_B":1549169136,"score_A":9,"score_B":39,"human_ref_A":"Here\u2019s the thing about the engineering. So long as you meet the physical restraints of a problem, you can solve it in any fashion you want. You could go to space in a ship made out of bubblegum. Sure you\u2019re gonna need a ton of bubble gum and mor fuel and everything but it\u2019s theoretically possible. Is it feasible, probably not. But possible.   So in terms of him using SS, cool. I\u2019m sure the purposes he needs are different than others. Thus justifying the use of SS.","human_ref_B":"Millwright\/stainless fabricator here. The single most important thing for mars bound technology is that you can fix the bloody thing. Tig welding stainless on mars? I\u2019m sure it can be done. There should be enough atmospheric pressure to get an argon bubble to form around your arc and there is hopefully enough gravity that you can float out impurities. With the 0.1% oxygen content of mars you won\u2019t even need to back purge.   Good luck fixing your damaged composite hull on the red planet.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":29027.0,"score_ratio":4.3333333333}
{"post_id":"amhs3e","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What do you think of Elon Musk building his spaceship out of stainless steel? https:\/\/www.popularmechanics.com\/space\/rockets\/a25953663\/elon-musk-spacex-bfr-stainless-steel\/","c_root_id_A":"efmd6th","c_root_id_B":"efn0zdk","created_at_utc_A":1549148164,"created_at_utc_B":1549169136,"score_A":9,"score_B":39,"human_ref_A":"Two big things stainless steel will bring over more traditional aerospace materials: endurance limit and much higher weldability.   Theoretically longer lifespan for the part, and repairs are much more feasible.","human_ref_B":"Millwright\/stainless fabricator here. The single most important thing for mars bound technology is that you can fix the bloody thing. Tig welding stainless on mars? I\u2019m sure it can be done. There should be enough atmospheric pressure to get an argon bubble to form around your arc and there is hopefully enough gravity that you can float out impurities. With the 0.1% oxygen content of mars you won\u2019t even need to back purge.   Good luck fixing your damaged composite hull on the red planet.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":20972.0,"score_ratio":4.3333333333}
{"post_id":"amhs3e","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What do you think of Elon Musk building his spaceship out of stainless steel? https:\/\/www.popularmechanics.com\/space\/rockets\/a25953663\/elon-musk-spacex-bfr-stainless-steel\/","c_root_id_A":"efmsnqr","c_root_id_B":"efn0zdk","created_at_utc_A":1549161425,"created_at_utc_B":1549169136,"score_A":5,"score_B":39,"human_ref_A":"Everyone talking about the pros of using stainless steel. But what are the cons of using stainless steel?","human_ref_B":"Millwright\/stainless fabricator here. The single most important thing for mars bound technology is that you can fix the bloody thing. Tig welding stainless on mars? I\u2019m sure it can be done. There should be enough atmospheric pressure to get an argon bubble to form around your arc and there is hopefully enough gravity that you can float out impurities. With the 0.1% oxygen content of mars you won\u2019t even need to back purge.   Good luck fixing your damaged composite hull on the red planet.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7711.0,"score_ratio":7.8}
{"post_id":"amhs3e","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What do you think of Elon Musk building his spaceship out of stainless steel? https:\/\/www.popularmechanics.com\/space\/rockets\/a25953663\/elon-musk-spacex-bfr-stainless-steel\/","c_root_id_A":"efn0zdk","c_root_id_B":"efm22d7","created_at_utc_A":1549169136,"created_at_utc_B":1549138975,"score_A":39,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Millwright\/stainless fabricator here. The single most important thing for mars bound technology is that you can fix the bloody thing. Tig welding stainless on mars? I\u2019m sure it can be done. There should be enough atmospheric pressure to get an argon bubble to form around your arc and there is hopefully enough gravity that you can float out impurities. With the 0.1% oxygen content of mars you won\u2019t even need to back purge.   Good luck fixing your damaged composite hull on the red planet.","human_ref_B":"This guy has a few good comparisons https:\/\/youtu.be\/LogE40_wR9k","labels":1,"seconds_difference":30161.0,"score_ratio":13.0}
{"post_id":"amhs3e","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What do you think of Elon Musk building his spaceship out of stainless steel? https:\/\/www.popularmechanics.com\/space\/rockets\/a25953663\/elon-musk-spacex-bfr-stainless-steel\/","c_root_id_A":"efn0zdk","c_root_id_B":"efmue4t","created_at_utc_A":1549169136,"created_at_utc_B":1549162962,"score_A":39,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Millwright\/stainless fabricator here. The single most important thing for mars bound technology is that you can fix the bloody thing. Tig welding stainless on mars? I\u2019m sure it can be done. There should be enough atmospheric pressure to get an argon bubble to form around your arc and there is hopefully enough gravity that you can float out impurities. With the 0.1% oxygen content of mars you won\u2019t even need to back purge.   Good luck fixing your damaged composite hull on the red planet.","human_ref_B":"I honestly think it's a cost-cutting measure more than anything. Not only will the material be vastly cheaper, the analysis and testing involved with a well-known metal alloy compared to a composite will be quite straight forward. If the weight tradeoff is worth it and the cryogenic strength is one of the limiting design requirements, it seems reasonable.  Bonus points that it makes the thing look pretty cool!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6174.0,"score_ratio":13.0}
{"post_id":"amhs3e","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What do you think of Elon Musk building his spaceship out of stainless steel? https:\/\/www.popularmechanics.com\/space\/rockets\/a25953663\/elon-musk-spacex-bfr-stainless-steel\/","c_root_id_A":"efm3h03","c_root_id_B":"efm22d7","created_at_utc_A":1549140109,"created_at_utc_B":1549138975,"score_A":9,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Here\u2019s the thing about the engineering. So long as you meet the physical restraints of a problem, you can solve it in any fashion you want. You could go to space in a ship made out of bubblegum. Sure you\u2019re gonna need a ton of bubble gum and mor fuel and everything but it\u2019s theoretically possible. Is it feasible, probably not. But possible.   So in terms of him using SS, cool. I\u2019m sure the purposes he needs are different than others. Thus justifying the use of SS.","human_ref_B":"This guy has a few good comparisons https:\/\/youtu.be\/LogE40_wR9k","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1134.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"amhs3e","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What do you think of Elon Musk building his spaceship out of stainless steel? https:\/\/www.popularmechanics.com\/space\/rockets\/a25953663\/elon-musk-spacex-bfr-stainless-steel\/","c_root_id_A":"efmd6th","c_root_id_B":"efm22d7","created_at_utc_A":1549148164,"created_at_utc_B":1549138975,"score_A":9,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Two big things stainless steel will bring over more traditional aerospace materials: endurance limit and much higher weldability.   Theoretically longer lifespan for the part, and repairs are much more feasible.","human_ref_B":"This guy has a few good comparisons https:\/\/youtu.be\/LogE40_wR9k","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9189.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"amhs3e","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"What do you think of Elon Musk building his spaceship out of stainless steel? https:\/\/www.popularmechanics.com\/space\/rockets\/a25953663\/elon-musk-spacex-bfr-stainless-steel\/","c_root_id_A":"efmsnqr","c_root_id_B":"efm22d7","created_at_utc_A":1549161425,"created_at_utc_B":1549138975,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Everyone talking about the pros of using stainless steel. But what are the cons of using stainless steel?","human_ref_B":"This guy has a few good comparisons https:\/\/youtu.be\/LogE40_wR9k","labels":1,"seconds_difference":22450.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"bpgm51","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are alternative career paths for a recent engineering graduate who's effectively unhireable as an engineer? Hola, amigos!  I just graduated from a top ten university with a degree in Chemical Engineering. Sounds great, right? Well...I graduated with a 2.21 gpa (2.43 major). Zero internship experience. Spent most of my semesters on academic probation. Took 6.5 years to graduate.  To be blunt, I'm not hireable. No company in the world could look at my academic record and choose to give me a shot. I know that, and I recognize that engineering simply isn't an option for me at this point.  With that said, what *are* the options for someone like me? I don't want to work a minimum-wage job the rest of my life, like I have been full-time since graduating, and I have to believe it's possible to find some job somewhere that I could be qualified for. Or become qualified for.  What should someone in a situation like mine do?*  I appreciate any and all insight.  *I don't want to make this question specific to me, but rather broadly applicable to anyone whose undergraduate experience was, to put it mildly, an unmitigated disaster. I'm happy to answer questions about my specific situation, but I want to keep the situation generalizable for everyone.   **Addendum:** I don't want to portray myself as completely hopeless. Yes, my overall gpa is dire, but the context is that I \"earned\" a 1.42 gpa during my freshman year, and subsequently took two years off to take community college courses before returning. With the exception of a semester that proved to be almost a total loss (1.37 gpa and two D's; I should have dropped out of classes before the deadline), I earned a 2.44 gpa or higher in my other 5 semesters, and a 2.82 and 3.20 in my final two semesters, respectively (while working 20+ hours per week during both semesters). So it's not a complete wash. But it's very hard to be optimistic... I have a friend who enjoyed a full ride, earned a 3.95 gpa, and worked multiple internships...and he applied to 60 jobs, with only 2 interviews!","c_root_id_A":"ensvd83","c_root_id_B":"ensvirv","created_at_utc_A":1558033955,"created_at_utc_B":1558034014,"score_A":45,"score_B":273,"human_ref_A":"I think you can leave the gpa off your resume and get a job without too much trouble. Maybe start out at a related job- some type of tech or something and work it into an engineering position.  I think the more important question is do you want to be an engineer? What is the reason behind that gpa, was is disinterest or were there other factors?","human_ref_B":"Three thoughts....  1 - If you turned your studies around and did decent towards the end, you're probably not as unhireable as you believe you are.  2 - \"Failed\" engineers often make *great* technicians, so that's a definite career route.  Note that this is the route my wife took.  She dropped out of Chem Eng halfway through her junior year (never finished her BS) and got a job as a tech.  She makes 6 figures.  So, yeah, you can do much better than minimum wage.  3 - I'd lay odds that either (a) your friend was just shotgunning resumes, or (b) his resume sucks.  Doesn't mean that *he* sucks, mind you, just that his resume almost certainly looks like ass.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":59.0,"score_ratio":6.0666666667}
{"post_id":"bpgm51","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are alternative career paths for a recent engineering graduate who's effectively unhireable as an engineer? Hola, amigos!  I just graduated from a top ten university with a degree in Chemical Engineering. Sounds great, right? Well...I graduated with a 2.21 gpa (2.43 major). Zero internship experience. Spent most of my semesters on academic probation. Took 6.5 years to graduate.  To be blunt, I'm not hireable. No company in the world could look at my academic record and choose to give me a shot. I know that, and I recognize that engineering simply isn't an option for me at this point.  With that said, what *are* the options for someone like me? I don't want to work a minimum-wage job the rest of my life, like I have been full-time since graduating, and I have to believe it's possible to find some job somewhere that I could be qualified for. Or become qualified for.  What should someone in a situation like mine do?*  I appreciate any and all insight.  *I don't want to make this question specific to me, but rather broadly applicable to anyone whose undergraduate experience was, to put it mildly, an unmitigated disaster. I'm happy to answer questions about my specific situation, but I want to keep the situation generalizable for everyone.   **Addendum:** I don't want to portray myself as completely hopeless. Yes, my overall gpa is dire, but the context is that I \"earned\" a 1.42 gpa during my freshman year, and subsequently took two years off to take community college courses before returning. With the exception of a semester that proved to be almost a total loss (1.37 gpa and two D's; I should have dropped out of classes before the deadline), I earned a 2.44 gpa or higher in my other 5 semesters, and a 2.82 and 3.20 in my final two semesters, respectively (while working 20+ hours per week during both semesters). So it's not a complete wash. But it's very hard to be optimistic... I have a friend who enjoyed a full ride, earned a 3.95 gpa, and worked multiple internships...and he applied to 60 jobs, with only 2 interviews!","c_root_id_A":"ensvirv","c_root_id_B":"ensvfd9","created_at_utc_A":1558034014,"created_at_utc_B":1558033978,"score_A":273,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Three thoughts....  1 - If you turned your studies around and did decent towards the end, you're probably not as unhireable as you believe you are.  2 - \"Failed\" engineers often make *great* technicians, so that's a definite career route.  Note that this is the route my wife took.  She dropped out of Chem Eng halfway through her junior year (never finished her BS) and got a job as a tech.  She makes 6 figures.  So, yeah, you can do much better than minimum wage.  3 - I'd lay odds that either (a) your friend was just shotgunning resumes, or (b) his resume sucks.  Doesn't mean that *he* sucks, mind you, just that his resume almost certainly looks like ass.","human_ref_B":"You\u2019re not unemployable.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":36.0,"score_ratio":30.3333333333}
{"post_id":"bpgm51","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are alternative career paths for a recent engineering graduate who's effectively unhireable as an engineer? Hola, amigos!  I just graduated from a top ten university with a degree in Chemical Engineering. Sounds great, right? Well...I graduated with a 2.21 gpa (2.43 major). Zero internship experience. Spent most of my semesters on academic probation. Took 6.5 years to graduate.  To be blunt, I'm not hireable. No company in the world could look at my academic record and choose to give me a shot. I know that, and I recognize that engineering simply isn't an option for me at this point.  With that said, what *are* the options for someone like me? I don't want to work a minimum-wage job the rest of my life, like I have been full-time since graduating, and I have to believe it's possible to find some job somewhere that I could be qualified for. Or become qualified for.  What should someone in a situation like mine do?*  I appreciate any and all insight.  *I don't want to make this question specific to me, but rather broadly applicable to anyone whose undergraduate experience was, to put it mildly, an unmitigated disaster. I'm happy to answer questions about my specific situation, but I want to keep the situation generalizable for everyone.   **Addendum:** I don't want to portray myself as completely hopeless. Yes, my overall gpa is dire, but the context is that I \"earned\" a 1.42 gpa during my freshman year, and subsequently took two years off to take community college courses before returning. With the exception of a semester that proved to be almost a total loss (1.37 gpa and two D's; I should have dropped out of classes before the deadline), I earned a 2.44 gpa or higher in my other 5 semesters, and a 2.82 and 3.20 in my final two semesters, respectively (while working 20+ hours per week during both semesters). So it's not a complete wash. But it's very hard to be optimistic... I have a friend who enjoyed a full ride, earned a 3.95 gpa, and worked multiple internships...and he applied to 60 jobs, with only 2 interviews!","c_root_id_A":"ent3j1n","c_root_id_B":"ent3hs1","created_at_utc_A":1558036940,"created_at_utc_B":1558036926,"score_A":128,"score_B":87,"human_ref_A":"> I recognize that engineering simply isn't an option for me at this point.   That is, to put it bluntly, a bullshit cop out. You screwed up early in your college years. You are not unique in this. You also pulled up, got your shit together and graduated. The good news is that after a few years of work, no one will ask about your grades.   * Apply for contract\/temp jobs through an agency. Companies are more likely to take a risk on a worker they can easily dismiss.  * Apply for technician jobs as a gap filler. You'll get great hands-on experience. The risk is that the longer you stay in a technician role, you may get pigeonholed into being a technician and not an engineer. That's OK if you really like it, but I'm assuming that you studied engineering to become and engineer. * Start your own company. A guy I graduated with wasn't the best student and got laid off from the first three jobs he got after graduation. He started his own company working out of his basement office. 20 years later, he still works out of his basement, but only when he feels like it. He turns away more business than he takes.","human_ref_B":"The real question is \"Why did you study chemical engineering?\" and \"Why did you do so poorly in school?\".  5 years from now, nobody will care what your GPA was.  So, consider why you made the choices you made and go from there.  If you did poorly in school because you don't like chemical engineering, then the **last thing you want** is a chemical engineering job.  That's all those folks do all day, chemical engineering.  Find another job in a company that makes chemicals.  Maybe work in sales, finding out what the company's customers need, and why they need them.  Help your company figure out what is the most profitable thing to make and help your customers get the right product for their needs.  Your knowledge of chemical engineering will be very valuable, and you'll be able to speak knowledgeably to the chemical engineers that are designing the company's products.  If your problem was that you had to work to pay for college and you want to be a chemical engineer, then explain the adversity you've faced and the effort you've spent overcoming it.  It's an upbeat message, and hiring managers with stacks of millennial resumes for folks who can't show they're willing to work hard (or come right out and say they don't want to work hard) will pick your folder out and toss the rest.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":14.0,"score_ratio":1.4712643678}
{"post_id":"bpgm51","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are alternative career paths for a recent engineering graduate who's effectively unhireable as an engineer? Hola, amigos!  I just graduated from a top ten university with a degree in Chemical Engineering. Sounds great, right? Well...I graduated with a 2.21 gpa (2.43 major). Zero internship experience. Spent most of my semesters on academic probation. Took 6.5 years to graduate.  To be blunt, I'm not hireable. No company in the world could look at my academic record and choose to give me a shot. I know that, and I recognize that engineering simply isn't an option for me at this point.  With that said, what *are* the options for someone like me? I don't want to work a minimum-wage job the rest of my life, like I have been full-time since graduating, and I have to believe it's possible to find some job somewhere that I could be qualified for. Or become qualified for.  What should someone in a situation like mine do?*  I appreciate any and all insight.  *I don't want to make this question specific to me, but rather broadly applicable to anyone whose undergraduate experience was, to put it mildly, an unmitigated disaster. I'm happy to answer questions about my specific situation, but I want to keep the situation generalizable for everyone.   **Addendum:** I don't want to portray myself as completely hopeless. Yes, my overall gpa is dire, but the context is that I \"earned\" a 1.42 gpa during my freshman year, and subsequently took two years off to take community college courses before returning. With the exception of a semester that proved to be almost a total loss (1.37 gpa and two D's; I should have dropped out of classes before the deadline), I earned a 2.44 gpa or higher in my other 5 semesters, and a 2.82 and 3.20 in my final two semesters, respectively (while working 20+ hours per week during both semesters). So it's not a complete wash. But it's very hard to be optimistic... I have a friend who enjoyed a full ride, earned a 3.95 gpa, and worked multiple internships...and he applied to 60 jobs, with only 2 interviews!","c_root_id_A":"ent3j1n","c_root_id_B":"ensvd83","created_at_utc_A":1558036940,"created_at_utc_B":1558033955,"score_A":128,"score_B":45,"human_ref_A":"> I recognize that engineering simply isn't an option for me at this point.   That is, to put it bluntly, a bullshit cop out. You screwed up early in your college years. You are not unique in this. You also pulled up, got your shit together and graduated. The good news is that after a few years of work, no one will ask about your grades.   * Apply for contract\/temp jobs through an agency. Companies are more likely to take a risk on a worker they can easily dismiss.  * Apply for technician jobs as a gap filler. You'll get great hands-on experience. The risk is that the longer you stay in a technician role, you may get pigeonholed into being a technician and not an engineer. That's OK if you really like it, but I'm assuming that you studied engineering to become and engineer. * Start your own company. A guy I graduated with wasn't the best student and got laid off from the first three jobs he got after graduation. He started his own company working out of his basement office. 20 years later, he still works out of his basement, but only when he feels like it. He turns away more business than he takes.","human_ref_B":"I think you can leave the gpa off your resume and get a job without too much trouble. Maybe start out at a related job- some type of tech or something and work it into an engineering position.  I think the more important question is do you want to be an engineer? What is the reason behind that gpa, was is disinterest or were there other factors?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2985.0,"score_ratio":2.8444444444}
{"post_id":"bpgm51","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are alternative career paths for a recent engineering graduate who's effectively unhireable as an engineer? Hola, amigos!  I just graduated from a top ten university with a degree in Chemical Engineering. Sounds great, right? Well...I graduated with a 2.21 gpa (2.43 major). Zero internship experience. Spent most of my semesters on academic probation. Took 6.5 years to graduate.  To be blunt, I'm not hireable. No company in the world could look at my academic record and choose to give me a shot. I know that, and I recognize that engineering simply isn't an option for me at this point.  With that said, what *are* the options for someone like me? I don't want to work a minimum-wage job the rest of my life, like I have been full-time since graduating, and I have to believe it's possible to find some job somewhere that I could be qualified for. Or become qualified for.  What should someone in a situation like mine do?*  I appreciate any and all insight.  *I don't want to make this question specific to me, but rather broadly applicable to anyone whose undergraduate experience was, to put it mildly, an unmitigated disaster. I'm happy to answer questions about my specific situation, but I want to keep the situation generalizable for everyone.   **Addendum:** I don't want to portray myself as completely hopeless. Yes, my overall gpa is dire, but the context is that I \"earned\" a 1.42 gpa during my freshman year, and subsequently took two years off to take community college courses before returning. With the exception of a semester that proved to be almost a total loss (1.37 gpa and two D's; I should have dropped out of classes before the deadline), I earned a 2.44 gpa or higher in my other 5 semesters, and a 2.82 and 3.20 in my final two semesters, respectively (while working 20+ hours per week during both semesters). So it's not a complete wash. But it's very hard to be optimistic... I have a friend who enjoyed a full ride, earned a 3.95 gpa, and worked multiple internships...and he applied to 60 jobs, with only 2 interviews!","c_root_id_A":"ent3j1n","c_root_id_B":"ent23d6","created_at_utc_A":1558036940,"created_at_utc_B":1558036396,"score_A":128,"score_B":26,"human_ref_A":"> I recognize that engineering simply isn't an option for me at this point.   That is, to put it bluntly, a bullshit cop out. You screwed up early in your college years. You are not unique in this. You also pulled up, got your shit together and graduated. The good news is that after a few years of work, no one will ask about your grades.   * Apply for contract\/temp jobs through an agency. Companies are more likely to take a risk on a worker they can easily dismiss.  * Apply for technician jobs as a gap filler. You'll get great hands-on experience. The risk is that the longer you stay in a technician role, you may get pigeonholed into being a technician and not an engineer. That's OK if you really like it, but I'm assuming that you studied engineering to become and engineer. * Start your own company. A guy I graduated with wasn't the best student and got laid off from the first three jobs he got after graduation. He started his own company working out of his basement office. 20 years later, he still works out of his basement, but only when he feels like it. He turns away more business than he takes.","human_ref_B":"Hail fellow 2sy! I'll grant that I had it a bit easier, with a 2.6ish out of my BS, but here's another option for you, if you think you've got what it takes to be an engineer long-term.  Hit up every engineering masters program you can google. Literally all of them, if possible. Preferably show up in person at their graduate admissions office\/advisor's office. Beg to get let in, make sure to mention your greatly improved final two semesters, and how you've turned it around, give them whatever reassurances or even excuses they need for why you're better now than you were before. There are enough small programs around that you'll find something.  I had it fairly easy, as the mechanical engineering master's program at my university let me in without much complaint (I was kind of coming in from \"outside\" since I was coming from a physics BS), but I worked my butt off in the master's program, and came out with a mid-3s GPA from there. At that point, it wasn't difficult to find work, and no one ever inquired about my bachelor's GPA again.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":544.0,"score_ratio":4.9230769231}
{"post_id":"bpgm51","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are alternative career paths for a recent engineering graduate who's effectively unhireable as an engineer? Hola, amigos!  I just graduated from a top ten university with a degree in Chemical Engineering. Sounds great, right? Well...I graduated with a 2.21 gpa (2.43 major). Zero internship experience. Spent most of my semesters on academic probation. Took 6.5 years to graduate.  To be blunt, I'm not hireable. No company in the world could look at my academic record and choose to give me a shot. I know that, and I recognize that engineering simply isn't an option for me at this point.  With that said, what *are* the options for someone like me? I don't want to work a minimum-wage job the rest of my life, like I have been full-time since graduating, and I have to believe it's possible to find some job somewhere that I could be qualified for. Or become qualified for.  What should someone in a situation like mine do?*  I appreciate any and all insight.  *I don't want to make this question specific to me, but rather broadly applicable to anyone whose undergraduate experience was, to put it mildly, an unmitigated disaster. I'm happy to answer questions about my specific situation, but I want to keep the situation generalizable for everyone.   **Addendum:** I don't want to portray myself as completely hopeless. Yes, my overall gpa is dire, but the context is that I \"earned\" a 1.42 gpa during my freshman year, and subsequently took two years off to take community college courses before returning. With the exception of a semester that proved to be almost a total loss (1.37 gpa and two D's; I should have dropped out of classes before the deadline), I earned a 2.44 gpa or higher in my other 5 semesters, and a 2.82 and 3.20 in my final two semesters, respectively (while working 20+ hours per week during both semesters). So it's not a complete wash. But it's very hard to be optimistic... I have a friend who enjoyed a full ride, earned a 3.95 gpa, and worked multiple internships...and he applied to 60 jobs, with only 2 interviews!","c_root_id_A":"ent2hax","c_root_id_B":"ent3j1n","created_at_utc_A":1558036542,"created_at_utc_B":1558036940,"score_A":12,"score_B":128,"human_ref_A":"GPA means nothing when you get into the working world.  It doesn\u2019t define you, it\u2019s simply a number designed to reflect how well you managed in school - it is by no means perfect.  You are seriously selling your future employers short if you think that is what they will base everything on when it comes to hiring.  Is it a good thing, no, but it\u2019s not a deal breaker.  Don\u2019t dwell on it just offer a brief explanation and move on.  Do you think every single one of the people on the other end of that interview table graduated with a 4.0?  No way.    You\u2019re also selling yourself short, you got the degree, congrats!  The tone of your post sounds like you didn\u2019t and you\u2019ve already given up - you need to ditch that mentality.  Be proud and go for it if that\u2019s what you want.  I get it, I t\u2019s definitely easier to not try because of embarrassment or whatever it is, but I think owning your shortcomings will end up working more in your favor than you think. As long as you can demonstrate all the other qualities they are looking for you shouldn\u2019t worry too much.  Best of luck.","human_ref_B":"> I recognize that engineering simply isn't an option for me at this point.   That is, to put it bluntly, a bullshit cop out. You screwed up early in your college years. You are not unique in this. You also pulled up, got your shit together and graduated. The good news is that after a few years of work, no one will ask about your grades.   * Apply for contract\/temp jobs through an agency. Companies are more likely to take a risk on a worker they can easily dismiss.  * Apply for technician jobs as a gap filler. You'll get great hands-on experience. The risk is that the longer you stay in a technician role, you may get pigeonholed into being a technician and not an engineer. That's OK if you really like it, but I'm assuming that you studied engineering to become and engineer. * Start your own company. A guy I graduated with wasn't the best student and got laid off from the first three jobs he got after graduation. He started his own company working out of his basement office. 20 years later, he still works out of his basement, but only when he feels like it. He turns away more business than he takes.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":398.0,"score_ratio":10.6666666667}
{"post_id":"bpgm51","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are alternative career paths for a recent engineering graduate who's effectively unhireable as an engineer? Hola, amigos!  I just graduated from a top ten university with a degree in Chemical Engineering. Sounds great, right? Well...I graduated with a 2.21 gpa (2.43 major). Zero internship experience. Spent most of my semesters on academic probation. Took 6.5 years to graduate.  To be blunt, I'm not hireable. No company in the world could look at my academic record and choose to give me a shot. I know that, and I recognize that engineering simply isn't an option for me at this point.  With that said, what *are* the options for someone like me? I don't want to work a minimum-wage job the rest of my life, like I have been full-time since graduating, and I have to believe it's possible to find some job somewhere that I could be qualified for. Or become qualified for.  What should someone in a situation like mine do?*  I appreciate any and all insight.  *I don't want to make this question specific to me, but rather broadly applicable to anyone whose undergraduate experience was, to put it mildly, an unmitigated disaster. I'm happy to answer questions about my specific situation, but I want to keep the situation generalizable for everyone.   **Addendum:** I don't want to portray myself as completely hopeless. Yes, my overall gpa is dire, but the context is that I \"earned\" a 1.42 gpa during my freshman year, and subsequently took two years off to take community college courses before returning. With the exception of a semester that proved to be almost a total loss (1.37 gpa and two D's; I should have dropped out of classes before the deadline), I earned a 2.44 gpa or higher in my other 5 semesters, and a 2.82 and 3.20 in my final two semesters, respectively (while working 20+ hours per week during both semesters). So it's not a complete wash. But it's very hard to be optimistic... I have a friend who enjoyed a full ride, earned a 3.95 gpa, and worked multiple internships...and he applied to 60 jobs, with only 2 interviews!","c_root_id_A":"ensvfd9","c_root_id_B":"ent3j1n","created_at_utc_A":1558033978,"created_at_utc_B":1558036940,"score_A":9,"score_B":128,"human_ref_A":"You\u2019re not unemployable.","human_ref_B":"> I recognize that engineering simply isn't an option for me at this point.   That is, to put it bluntly, a bullshit cop out. You screwed up early in your college years. You are not unique in this. You also pulled up, got your shit together and graduated. The good news is that after a few years of work, no one will ask about your grades.   * Apply for contract\/temp jobs through an agency. Companies are more likely to take a risk on a worker they can easily dismiss.  * Apply for technician jobs as a gap filler. You'll get great hands-on experience. The risk is that the longer you stay in a technician role, you may get pigeonholed into being a technician and not an engineer. That's OK if you really like it, but I'm assuming that you studied engineering to become and engineer. * Start your own company. A guy I graduated with wasn't the best student and got laid off from the first three jobs he got after graduation. He started his own company working out of his basement office. 20 years later, he still works out of his basement, but only when he feels like it. He turns away more business than he takes.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2962.0,"score_ratio":14.2222222222}
{"post_id":"bpgm51","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are alternative career paths for a recent engineering graduate who's effectively unhireable as an engineer? Hola, amigos!  I just graduated from a top ten university with a degree in Chemical Engineering. Sounds great, right? Well...I graduated with a 2.21 gpa (2.43 major). Zero internship experience. Spent most of my semesters on academic probation. Took 6.5 years to graduate.  To be blunt, I'm not hireable. No company in the world could look at my academic record and choose to give me a shot. I know that, and I recognize that engineering simply isn't an option for me at this point.  With that said, what *are* the options for someone like me? I don't want to work a minimum-wage job the rest of my life, like I have been full-time since graduating, and I have to believe it's possible to find some job somewhere that I could be qualified for. Or become qualified for.  What should someone in a situation like mine do?*  I appreciate any and all insight.  *I don't want to make this question specific to me, but rather broadly applicable to anyone whose undergraduate experience was, to put it mildly, an unmitigated disaster. I'm happy to answer questions about my specific situation, but I want to keep the situation generalizable for everyone.   **Addendum:** I don't want to portray myself as completely hopeless. Yes, my overall gpa is dire, but the context is that I \"earned\" a 1.42 gpa during my freshman year, and subsequently took two years off to take community college courses before returning. With the exception of a semester that proved to be almost a total loss (1.37 gpa and two D's; I should have dropped out of classes before the deadline), I earned a 2.44 gpa or higher in my other 5 semesters, and a 2.82 and 3.20 in my final two semesters, respectively (while working 20+ hours per week during both semesters). So it's not a complete wash. But it's very hard to be optimistic... I have a friend who enjoyed a full ride, earned a 3.95 gpa, and worked multiple internships...and he applied to 60 jobs, with only 2 interviews!","c_root_id_A":"ent1h8s","c_root_id_B":"ent3j1n","created_at_utc_A":1558036161,"created_at_utc_B":1558036940,"score_A":7,"score_B":128,"human_ref_A":"Don't give up! I absolutely understand how you feel, I was in the same position and the years of relentless disappointment destroyed my self esteem.   I am a design engineer now. I love it. My boss and my colleagues love me.   I did pretty well at secondary school, and then did really well in my A-levels and thought I was hot shit. I had loved cars and machines for a long time, but had no idea what engineering was, I thought an engineer was someone who swang spanners. I happened to be browsing the triumph website one day and saw their \"careers\" link. I clicked through and saw a job advert for a power train engineer and I immediately knew that that was what I wanted to be. The problem was that to get into a good uni in the UK I needed a physics A-level, generally regarded as one of the toughest, and I was halfway through my A-levels. So I convinced my teachers to let me take the A-level in half the usual time so as to not delay my starting university and I got an A.   So I got into one of the top ten unis in the country to study an integrated masters in mechanical engineering. And I failed. I failed so hard that I was immediately kicked out of the university with no appeal.   So then I applied to a top 30 university to study an integrated masters in mechanical engineering, and they gave me second chance. So there I was in first year again and this time it was gonna be different! And it was, but I still failed 30% of my modules and had to come back in summer to resit them, which I did and scraped into second year.   So then I was in second year and shit went bad, in my personal life I had a horrible year that year, and I still wasn't a model student. I failed about half my modules. I got 2% in one exam. So I had to resit in summer, but this time I still failed 3 modules.   So I had to spend a whole extra year just enrolled on those 3 modules. I sat them and passed them. And I started to pull myself together, I brushed up on everything I had learnt so far and snuck into some 3rd year lectures to get a headstart.   So now I'm in 3rd year (having spend 4 years on 1st and 2nd year) and I finally get my shit together. I join the formula student team, I do well in my individual project, and I pass everything that year. I even pull my average up to a 2:2 and I actually get into my masters year!   I start my masters year, I have my shit together, but actually no I don't because life is a bitch (and I am immature) and I fail it.   So 6 years after first sitting in an engineering lecture I leave university with a 2:2 bachelors degree that should have taken 3 years, and I have no internship or work experience because I spend basically every summer doing resits. And in the UK, in theory anyway, a design engineer should have a masters degree. A masters degree is considered a requirement for a design engineer (in theory).   So I was pretty convinced I had no chance of getting an engineering job, but I really didn't want to be a barista for the rest of my life. What the fuck was I gonna do? Well I applied to design engineer jobs anyway, because I couldn't fucking bear losing that career for ever.   And I got one. Quite quickly too. At a small local company who probably didn't know that I really should have had a masters, and probably didn't realise they should have asked my I had only just graduated when I was 24.   And its great! The people are lovely. The work is interesting and varied and creative and it really is proper design engineering. I talk to my friends from uni, some of whom went to work for massive, prestigious companies, and they don't do much design at all. I use stuff I learnt in uni all the time, and my boss thinks its great. I get nothing but good reviews.   I'm not saying that it will definitely work out for you, maybe I got lucky, but I damn well know you have already paid the price for that degree, you might as keep pushing on with that same bloody-mindedness for at least another 6 months.  Apply to small companies, get feedback on your CV and applications, and put yourself out there. Feel free to message me and I will help out however I can.","human_ref_B":"> I recognize that engineering simply isn't an option for me at this point.   That is, to put it bluntly, a bullshit cop out. You screwed up early in your college years. You are not unique in this. You also pulled up, got your shit together and graduated. The good news is that after a few years of work, no one will ask about your grades.   * Apply for contract\/temp jobs through an agency. Companies are more likely to take a risk on a worker they can easily dismiss.  * Apply for technician jobs as a gap filler. You'll get great hands-on experience. The risk is that the longer you stay in a technician role, you may get pigeonholed into being a technician and not an engineer. That's OK if you really like it, but I'm assuming that you studied engineering to become and engineer. * Start your own company. A guy I graduated with wasn't the best student and got laid off from the first three jobs he got after graduation. He started his own company working out of his basement office. 20 years later, he still works out of his basement, but only when he feels like it. He turns away more business than he takes.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":779.0,"score_ratio":18.2857142857}
{"post_id":"bpgm51","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are alternative career paths for a recent engineering graduate who's effectively unhireable as an engineer? Hola, amigos!  I just graduated from a top ten university with a degree in Chemical Engineering. Sounds great, right? Well...I graduated with a 2.21 gpa (2.43 major). Zero internship experience. Spent most of my semesters on academic probation. Took 6.5 years to graduate.  To be blunt, I'm not hireable. No company in the world could look at my academic record and choose to give me a shot. I know that, and I recognize that engineering simply isn't an option for me at this point.  With that said, what *are* the options for someone like me? I don't want to work a minimum-wage job the rest of my life, like I have been full-time since graduating, and I have to believe it's possible to find some job somewhere that I could be qualified for. Or become qualified for.  What should someone in a situation like mine do?*  I appreciate any and all insight.  *I don't want to make this question specific to me, but rather broadly applicable to anyone whose undergraduate experience was, to put it mildly, an unmitigated disaster. I'm happy to answer questions about my specific situation, but I want to keep the situation generalizable for everyone.   **Addendum:** I don't want to portray myself as completely hopeless. Yes, my overall gpa is dire, but the context is that I \"earned\" a 1.42 gpa during my freshman year, and subsequently took two years off to take community college courses before returning. With the exception of a semester that proved to be almost a total loss (1.37 gpa and two D's; I should have dropped out of classes before the deadline), I earned a 2.44 gpa or higher in my other 5 semesters, and a 2.82 and 3.20 in my final two semesters, respectively (while working 20+ hours per week during both semesters). So it's not a complete wash. But it's very hard to be optimistic... I have a friend who enjoyed a full ride, earned a 3.95 gpa, and worked multiple internships...and he applied to 60 jobs, with only 2 interviews!","c_root_id_A":"ensxghs","c_root_id_B":"ent3j1n","created_at_utc_A":1558034703,"created_at_utc_B":1558036940,"score_A":5,"score_B":128,"human_ref_A":"I don't have a degree, so I'm not certain how important GPA is viewed when hiring.  I will say that the one time I saw it on a resume (3.99) I mentioned it to my employer and he said the guy seemed a bit pretentious.  That said, I'm in a different field (Structural), and the same employer generally refused to hire people with Masters level or better educations.","human_ref_B":"> I recognize that engineering simply isn't an option for me at this point.   That is, to put it bluntly, a bullshit cop out. You screwed up early in your college years. You are not unique in this. You also pulled up, got your shit together and graduated. The good news is that after a few years of work, no one will ask about your grades.   * Apply for contract\/temp jobs through an agency. Companies are more likely to take a risk on a worker they can easily dismiss.  * Apply for technician jobs as a gap filler. You'll get great hands-on experience. The risk is that the longer you stay in a technician role, you may get pigeonholed into being a technician and not an engineer. That's OK if you really like it, but I'm assuming that you studied engineering to become and engineer. * Start your own company. A guy I graduated with wasn't the best student and got laid off from the first three jobs he got after graduation. He started his own company working out of his basement office. 20 years later, he still works out of his basement, but only when he feels like it. He turns away more business than he takes.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2237.0,"score_ratio":25.6}
{"post_id":"bpgm51","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are alternative career paths for a recent engineering graduate who's effectively unhireable as an engineer? Hola, amigos!  I just graduated from a top ten university with a degree in Chemical Engineering. Sounds great, right? Well...I graduated with a 2.21 gpa (2.43 major). Zero internship experience. Spent most of my semesters on academic probation. Took 6.5 years to graduate.  To be blunt, I'm not hireable. No company in the world could look at my academic record and choose to give me a shot. I know that, and I recognize that engineering simply isn't an option for me at this point.  With that said, what *are* the options for someone like me? I don't want to work a minimum-wage job the rest of my life, like I have been full-time since graduating, and I have to believe it's possible to find some job somewhere that I could be qualified for. Or become qualified for.  What should someone in a situation like mine do?*  I appreciate any and all insight.  *I don't want to make this question specific to me, but rather broadly applicable to anyone whose undergraduate experience was, to put it mildly, an unmitigated disaster. I'm happy to answer questions about my specific situation, but I want to keep the situation generalizable for everyone.   **Addendum:** I don't want to portray myself as completely hopeless. Yes, my overall gpa is dire, but the context is that I \"earned\" a 1.42 gpa during my freshman year, and subsequently took two years off to take community college courses before returning. With the exception of a semester that proved to be almost a total loss (1.37 gpa and two D's; I should have dropped out of classes before the deadline), I earned a 2.44 gpa or higher in my other 5 semesters, and a 2.82 and 3.20 in my final two semesters, respectively (while working 20+ hours per week during both semesters). So it's not a complete wash. But it's very hard to be optimistic... I have a friend who enjoyed a full ride, earned a 3.95 gpa, and worked multiple internships...and he applied to 60 jobs, with only 2 interviews!","c_root_id_A":"ent3hs1","c_root_id_B":"ensvd83","created_at_utc_A":1558036926,"created_at_utc_B":1558033955,"score_A":87,"score_B":45,"human_ref_A":"The real question is \"Why did you study chemical engineering?\" and \"Why did you do so poorly in school?\".  5 years from now, nobody will care what your GPA was.  So, consider why you made the choices you made and go from there.  If you did poorly in school because you don't like chemical engineering, then the **last thing you want** is a chemical engineering job.  That's all those folks do all day, chemical engineering.  Find another job in a company that makes chemicals.  Maybe work in sales, finding out what the company's customers need, and why they need them.  Help your company figure out what is the most profitable thing to make and help your customers get the right product for their needs.  Your knowledge of chemical engineering will be very valuable, and you'll be able to speak knowledgeably to the chemical engineers that are designing the company's products.  If your problem was that you had to work to pay for college and you want to be a chemical engineer, then explain the adversity you've faced and the effort you've spent overcoming it.  It's an upbeat message, and hiring managers with stacks of millennial resumes for folks who can't show they're willing to work hard (or come right out and say they don't want to work hard) will pick your folder out and toss the rest.","human_ref_B":"I think you can leave the gpa off your resume and get a job without too much trouble. Maybe start out at a related job- some type of tech or something and work it into an engineering position.  I think the more important question is do you want to be an engineer? What is the reason behind that gpa, was is disinterest or were there other factors?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2971.0,"score_ratio":1.9333333333}
{"post_id":"bpgm51","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are alternative career paths for a recent engineering graduate who's effectively unhireable as an engineer? Hola, amigos!  I just graduated from a top ten university with a degree in Chemical Engineering. Sounds great, right? Well...I graduated with a 2.21 gpa (2.43 major). Zero internship experience. Spent most of my semesters on academic probation. Took 6.5 years to graduate.  To be blunt, I'm not hireable. No company in the world could look at my academic record and choose to give me a shot. I know that, and I recognize that engineering simply isn't an option for me at this point.  With that said, what *are* the options for someone like me? I don't want to work a minimum-wage job the rest of my life, like I have been full-time since graduating, and I have to believe it's possible to find some job somewhere that I could be qualified for. Or become qualified for.  What should someone in a situation like mine do?*  I appreciate any and all insight.  *I don't want to make this question specific to me, but rather broadly applicable to anyone whose undergraduate experience was, to put it mildly, an unmitigated disaster. I'm happy to answer questions about my specific situation, but I want to keep the situation generalizable for everyone.   **Addendum:** I don't want to portray myself as completely hopeless. Yes, my overall gpa is dire, but the context is that I \"earned\" a 1.42 gpa during my freshman year, and subsequently took two years off to take community college courses before returning. With the exception of a semester that proved to be almost a total loss (1.37 gpa and two D's; I should have dropped out of classes before the deadline), I earned a 2.44 gpa or higher in my other 5 semesters, and a 2.82 and 3.20 in my final two semesters, respectively (while working 20+ hours per week during both semesters). So it's not a complete wash. But it's very hard to be optimistic... I have a friend who enjoyed a full ride, earned a 3.95 gpa, and worked multiple internships...and he applied to 60 jobs, with only 2 interviews!","c_root_id_A":"ent23d6","c_root_id_B":"ent3hs1","created_at_utc_A":1558036396,"created_at_utc_B":1558036926,"score_A":26,"score_B":87,"human_ref_A":"Hail fellow 2sy! I'll grant that I had it a bit easier, with a 2.6ish out of my BS, but here's another option for you, if you think you've got what it takes to be an engineer long-term.  Hit up every engineering masters program you can google. Literally all of them, if possible. Preferably show up in person at their graduate admissions office\/advisor's office. Beg to get let in, make sure to mention your greatly improved final two semesters, and how you've turned it around, give them whatever reassurances or even excuses they need for why you're better now than you were before. There are enough small programs around that you'll find something.  I had it fairly easy, as the mechanical engineering master's program at my university let me in without much complaint (I was kind of coming in from \"outside\" since I was coming from a physics BS), but I worked my butt off in the master's program, and came out with a mid-3s GPA from there. At that point, it wasn't difficult to find work, and no one ever inquired about my bachelor's GPA again.","human_ref_B":"The real question is \"Why did you study chemical engineering?\" and \"Why did you do so poorly in school?\".  5 years from now, nobody will care what your GPA was.  So, consider why you made the choices you made and go from there.  If you did poorly in school because you don't like chemical engineering, then the **last thing you want** is a chemical engineering job.  That's all those folks do all day, chemical engineering.  Find another job in a company that makes chemicals.  Maybe work in sales, finding out what the company's customers need, and why they need them.  Help your company figure out what is the most profitable thing to make and help your customers get the right product for their needs.  Your knowledge of chemical engineering will be very valuable, and you'll be able to speak knowledgeably to the chemical engineers that are designing the company's products.  If your problem was that you had to work to pay for college and you want to be a chemical engineer, then explain the adversity you've faced and the effort you've spent overcoming it.  It's an upbeat message, and hiring managers with stacks of millennial resumes for folks who can't show they're willing to work hard (or come right out and say they don't want to work hard) will pick your folder out and toss the rest.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":530.0,"score_ratio":3.3461538462}
{"post_id":"bpgm51","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are alternative career paths for a recent engineering graduate who's effectively unhireable as an engineer? Hola, amigos!  I just graduated from a top ten university with a degree in Chemical Engineering. Sounds great, right? Well...I graduated with a 2.21 gpa (2.43 major). Zero internship experience. Spent most of my semesters on academic probation. Took 6.5 years to graduate.  To be blunt, I'm not hireable. No company in the world could look at my academic record and choose to give me a shot. I know that, and I recognize that engineering simply isn't an option for me at this point.  With that said, what *are* the options for someone like me? I don't want to work a minimum-wage job the rest of my life, like I have been full-time since graduating, and I have to believe it's possible to find some job somewhere that I could be qualified for. Or become qualified for.  What should someone in a situation like mine do?*  I appreciate any and all insight.  *I don't want to make this question specific to me, but rather broadly applicable to anyone whose undergraduate experience was, to put it mildly, an unmitigated disaster. I'm happy to answer questions about my specific situation, but I want to keep the situation generalizable for everyone.   **Addendum:** I don't want to portray myself as completely hopeless. Yes, my overall gpa is dire, but the context is that I \"earned\" a 1.42 gpa during my freshman year, and subsequently took two years off to take community college courses before returning. With the exception of a semester that proved to be almost a total loss (1.37 gpa and two D's; I should have dropped out of classes before the deadline), I earned a 2.44 gpa or higher in my other 5 semesters, and a 2.82 and 3.20 in my final two semesters, respectively (while working 20+ hours per week during both semesters). So it's not a complete wash. But it's very hard to be optimistic... I have a friend who enjoyed a full ride, earned a 3.95 gpa, and worked multiple internships...and he applied to 60 jobs, with only 2 interviews!","c_root_id_A":"ent3hs1","c_root_id_B":"ent2hax","created_at_utc_A":1558036926,"created_at_utc_B":1558036542,"score_A":87,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"The real question is \"Why did you study chemical engineering?\" and \"Why did you do so poorly in school?\".  5 years from now, nobody will care what your GPA was.  So, consider why you made the choices you made and go from there.  If you did poorly in school because you don't like chemical engineering, then the **last thing you want** is a chemical engineering job.  That's all those folks do all day, chemical engineering.  Find another job in a company that makes chemicals.  Maybe work in sales, finding out what the company's customers need, and why they need them.  Help your company figure out what is the most profitable thing to make and help your customers get the right product for their needs.  Your knowledge of chemical engineering will be very valuable, and you'll be able to speak knowledgeably to the chemical engineers that are designing the company's products.  If your problem was that you had to work to pay for college and you want to be a chemical engineer, then explain the adversity you've faced and the effort you've spent overcoming it.  It's an upbeat message, and hiring managers with stacks of millennial resumes for folks who can't show they're willing to work hard (or come right out and say they don't want to work hard) will pick your folder out and toss the rest.","human_ref_B":"GPA means nothing when you get into the working world.  It doesn\u2019t define you, it\u2019s simply a number designed to reflect how well you managed in school - it is by no means perfect.  You are seriously selling your future employers short if you think that is what they will base everything on when it comes to hiring.  Is it a good thing, no, but it\u2019s not a deal breaker.  Don\u2019t dwell on it just offer a brief explanation and move on.  Do you think every single one of the people on the other end of that interview table graduated with a 4.0?  No way.    You\u2019re also selling yourself short, you got the degree, congrats!  The tone of your post sounds like you didn\u2019t and you\u2019ve already given up - you need to ditch that mentality.  Be proud and go for it if that\u2019s what you want.  I get it, I t\u2019s definitely easier to not try because of embarrassment or whatever it is, but I think owning your shortcomings will end up working more in your favor than you think. As long as you can demonstrate all the other qualities they are looking for you shouldn\u2019t worry too much.  Best of luck.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":384.0,"score_ratio":7.25}
{"post_id":"bpgm51","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are alternative career paths for a recent engineering graduate who's effectively unhireable as an engineer? Hola, amigos!  I just graduated from a top ten university with a degree in Chemical Engineering. Sounds great, right? Well...I graduated with a 2.21 gpa (2.43 major). Zero internship experience. Spent most of my semesters on academic probation. Took 6.5 years to graduate.  To be blunt, I'm not hireable. No company in the world could look at my academic record and choose to give me a shot. I know that, and I recognize that engineering simply isn't an option for me at this point.  With that said, what *are* the options for someone like me? I don't want to work a minimum-wage job the rest of my life, like I have been full-time since graduating, and I have to believe it's possible to find some job somewhere that I could be qualified for. Or become qualified for.  What should someone in a situation like mine do?*  I appreciate any and all insight.  *I don't want to make this question specific to me, but rather broadly applicable to anyone whose undergraduate experience was, to put it mildly, an unmitigated disaster. I'm happy to answer questions about my specific situation, but I want to keep the situation generalizable for everyone.   **Addendum:** I don't want to portray myself as completely hopeless. Yes, my overall gpa is dire, but the context is that I \"earned\" a 1.42 gpa during my freshman year, and subsequently took two years off to take community college courses before returning. With the exception of a semester that proved to be almost a total loss (1.37 gpa and two D's; I should have dropped out of classes before the deadline), I earned a 2.44 gpa or higher in my other 5 semesters, and a 2.82 and 3.20 in my final two semesters, respectively (while working 20+ hours per week during both semesters). So it's not a complete wash. But it's very hard to be optimistic... I have a friend who enjoyed a full ride, earned a 3.95 gpa, and worked multiple internships...and he applied to 60 jobs, with only 2 interviews!","c_root_id_A":"ent3hs1","c_root_id_B":"ensvfd9","created_at_utc_A":1558036926,"created_at_utc_B":1558033978,"score_A":87,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"The real question is \"Why did you study chemical engineering?\" and \"Why did you do so poorly in school?\".  5 years from now, nobody will care what your GPA was.  So, consider why you made the choices you made and go from there.  If you did poorly in school because you don't like chemical engineering, then the **last thing you want** is a chemical engineering job.  That's all those folks do all day, chemical engineering.  Find another job in a company that makes chemicals.  Maybe work in sales, finding out what the company's customers need, and why they need them.  Help your company figure out what is the most profitable thing to make and help your customers get the right product for their needs.  Your knowledge of chemical engineering will be very valuable, and you'll be able to speak knowledgeably to the chemical engineers that are designing the company's products.  If your problem was that you had to work to pay for college and you want to be a chemical engineer, then explain the adversity you've faced and the effort you've spent overcoming it.  It's an upbeat message, and hiring managers with stacks of millennial resumes for folks who can't show they're willing to work hard (or come right out and say they don't want to work hard) will pick your folder out and toss the rest.","human_ref_B":"You\u2019re not unemployable.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2948.0,"score_ratio":9.6666666667}
{"post_id":"bpgm51","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are alternative career paths for a recent engineering graduate who's effectively unhireable as an engineer? Hola, amigos!  I just graduated from a top ten university with a degree in Chemical Engineering. Sounds great, right? Well...I graduated with a 2.21 gpa (2.43 major). Zero internship experience. Spent most of my semesters on academic probation. Took 6.5 years to graduate.  To be blunt, I'm not hireable. No company in the world could look at my academic record and choose to give me a shot. I know that, and I recognize that engineering simply isn't an option for me at this point.  With that said, what *are* the options for someone like me? I don't want to work a minimum-wage job the rest of my life, like I have been full-time since graduating, and I have to believe it's possible to find some job somewhere that I could be qualified for. Or become qualified for.  What should someone in a situation like mine do?*  I appreciate any and all insight.  *I don't want to make this question specific to me, but rather broadly applicable to anyone whose undergraduate experience was, to put it mildly, an unmitigated disaster. I'm happy to answer questions about my specific situation, but I want to keep the situation generalizable for everyone.   **Addendum:** I don't want to portray myself as completely hopeless. Yes, my overall gpa is dire, but the context is that I \"earned\" a 1.42 gpa during my freshman year, and subsequently took two years off to take community college courses before returning. With the exception of a semester that proved to be almost a total loss (1.37 gpa and two D's; I should have dropped out of classes before the deadline), I earned a 2.44 gpa or higher in my other 5 semesters, and a 2.82 and 3.20 in my final two semesters, respectively (while working 20+ hours per week during both semesters). So it's not a complete wash. But it's very hard to be optimistic... I have a friend who enjoyed a full ride, earned a 3.95 gpa, and worked multiple internships...and he applied to 60 jobs, with only 2 interviews!","c_root_id_A":"ent1h8s","c_root_id_B":"ent3hs1","created_at_utc_A":1558036161,"created_at_utc_B":1558036926,"score_A":7,"score_B":87,"human_ref_A":"Don't give up! I absolutely understand how you feel, I was in the same position and the years of relentless disappointment destroyed my self esteem.   I am a design engineer now. I love it. My boss and my colleagues love me.   I did pretty well at secondary school, and then did really well in my A-levels and thought I was hot shit. I had loved cars and machines for a long time, but had no idea what engineering was, I thought an engineer was someone who swang spanners. I happened to be browsing the triumph website one day and saw their \"careers\" link. I clicked through and saw a job advert for a power train engineer and I immediately knew that that was what I wanted to be. The problem was that to get into a good uni in the UK I needed a physics A-level, generally regarded as one of the toughest, and I was halfway through my A-levels. So I convinced my teachers to let me take the A-level in half the usual time so as to not delay my starting university and I got an A.   So I got into one of the top ten unis in the country to study an integrated masters in mechanical engineering. And I failed. I failed so hard that I was immediately kicked out of the university with no appeal.   So then I applied to a top 30 university to study an integrated masters in mechanical engineering, and they gave me second chance. So there I was in first year again and this time it was gonna be different! And it was, but I still failed 30% of my modules and had to come back in summer to resit them, which I did and scraped into second year.   So then I was in second year and shit went bad, in my personal life I had a horrible year that year, and I still wasn't a model student. I failed about half my modules. I got 2% in one exam. So I had to resit in summer, but this time I still failed 3 modules.   So I had to spend a whole extra year just enrolled on those 3 modules. I sat them and passed them. And I started to pull myself together, I brushed up on everything I had learnt so far and snuck into some 3rd year lectures to get a headstart.   So now I'm in 3rd year (having spend 4 years on 1st and 2nd year) and I finally get my shit together. I join the formula student team, I do well in my individual project, and I pass everything that year. I even pull my average up to a 2:2 and I actually get into my masters year!   I start my masters year, I have my shit together, but actually no I don't because life is a bitch (and I am immature) and I fail it.   So 6 years after first sitting in an engineering lecture I leave university with a 2:2 bachelors degree that should have taken 3 years, and I have no internship or work experience because I spend basically every summer doing resits. And in the UK, in theory anyway, a design engineer should have a masters degree. A masters degree is considered a requirement for a design engineer (in theory).   So I was pretty convinced I had no chance of getting an engineering job, but I really didn't want to be a barista for the rest of my life. What the fuck was I gonna do? Well I applied to design engineer jobs anyway, because I couldn't fucking bear losing that career for ever.   And I got one. Quite quickly too. At a small local company who probably didn't know that I really should have had a masters, and probably didn't realise they should have asked my I had only just graduated when I was 24.   And its great! The people are lovely. The work is interesting and varied and creative and it really is proper design engineering. I talk to my friends from uni, some of whom went to work for massive, prestigious companies, and they don't do much design at all. I use stuff I learnt in uni all the time, and my boss thinks its great. I get nothing but good reviews.   I'm not saying that it will definitely work out for you, maybe I got lucky, but I damn well know you have already paid the price for that degree, you might as keep pushing on with that same bloody-mindedness for at least another 6 months.  Apply to small companies, get feedback on your CV and applications, and put yourself out there. Feel free to message me and I will help out however I can.","human_ref_B":"The real question is \"Why did you study chemical engineering?\" and \"Why did you do so poorly in school?\".  5 years from now, nobody will care what your GPA was.  So, consider why you made the choices you made and go from there.  If you did poorly in school because you don't like chemical engineering, then the **last thing you want** is a chemical engineering job.  That's all those folks do all day, chemical engineering.  Find another job in a company that makes chemicals.  Maybe work in sales, finding out what the company's customers need, and why they need them.  Help your company figure out what is the most profitable thing to make and help your customers get the right product for their needs.  Your knowledge of chemical engineering will be very valuable, and you'll be able to speak knowledgeably to the chemical engineers that are designing the company's products.  If your problem was that you had to work to pay for college and you want to be a chemical engineer, then explain the adversity you've faced and the effort you've spent overcoming it.  It's an upbeat message, and hiring managers with stacks of millennial resumes for folks who can't show they're willing to work hard (or come right out and say they don't want to work hard) will pick your folder out and toss the rest.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":765.0,"score_ratio":12.4285714286}
{"post_id":"bpgm51","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are alternative career paths for a recent engineering graduate who's effectively unhireable as an engineer? Hola, amigos!  I just graduated from a top ten university with a degree in Chemical Engineering. Sounds great, right? Well...I graduated with a 2.21 gpa (2.43 major). Zero internship experience. Spent most of my semesters on academic probation. Took 6.5 years to graduate.  To be blunt, I'm not hireable. No company in the world could look at my academic record and choose to give me a shot. I know that, and I recognize that engineering simply isn't an option for me at this point.  With that said, what *are* the options for someone like me? I don't want to work a minimum-wage job the rest of my life, like I have been full-time since graduating, and I have to believe it's possible to find some job somewhere that I could be qualified for. Or become qualified for.  What should someone in a situation like mine do?*  I appreciate any and all insight.  *I don't want to make this question specific to me, but rather broadly applicable to anyone whose undergraduate experience was, to put it mildly, an unmitigated disaster. I'm happy to answer questions about my specific situation, but I want to keep the situation generalizable for everyone.   **Addendum:** I don't want to portray myself as completely hopeless. Yes, my overall gpa is dire, but the context is that I \"earned\" a 1.42 gpa during my freshman year, and subsequently took two years off to take community college courses before returning. With the exception of a semester that proved to be almost a total loss (1.37 gpa and two D's; I should have dropped out of classes before the deadline), I earned a 2.44 gpa or higher in my other 5 semesters, and a 2.82 and 3.20 in my final two semesters, respectively (while working 20+ hours per week during both semesters). So it's not a complete wash. But it's very hard to be optimistic... I have a friend who enjoyed a full ride, earned a 3.95 gpa, and worked multiple internships...and he applied to 60 jobs, with only 2 interviews!","c_root_id_A":"ensxghs","c_root_id_B":"ent3hs1","created_at_utc_A":1558034703,"created_at_utc_B":1558036926,"score_A":5,"score_B":87,"human_ref_A":"I don't have a degree, so I'm not certain how important GPA is viewed when hiring.  I will say that the one time I saw it on a resume (3.99) I mentioned it to my employer and he said the guy seemed a bit pretentious.  That said, I'm in a different field (Structural), and the same employer generally refused to hire people with Masters level or better educations.","human_ref_B":"The real question is \"Why did you study chemical engineering?\" and \"Why did you do so poorly in school?\".  5 years from now, nobody will care what your GPA was.  So, consider why you made the choices you made and go from there.  If you did poorly in school because you don't like chemical engineering, then the **last thing you want** is a chemical engineering job.  That's all those folks do all day, chemical engineering.  Find another job in a company that makes chemicals.  Maybe work in sales, finding out what the company's customers need, and why they need them.  Help your company figure out what is the most profitable thing to make and help your customers get the right product for their needs.  Your knowledge of chemical engineering will be very valuable, and you'll be able to speak knowledgeably to the chemical engineers that are designing the company's products.  If your problem was that you had to work to pay for college and you want to be a chemical engineer, then explain the adversity you've faced and the effort you've spent overcoming it.  It's an upbeat message, and hiring managers with stacks of millennial resumes for folks who can't show they're willing to work hard (or come right out and say they don't want to work hard) will pick your folder out and toss the rest.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2223.0,"score_ratio":17.4}
{"post_id":"bpgm51","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are alternative career paths for a recent engineering graduate who's effectively unhireable as an engineer? Hola, amigos!  I just graduated from a top ten university with a degree in Chemical Engineering. Sounds great, right? Well...I graduated with a 2.21 gpa (2.43 major). Zero internship experience. Spent most of my semesters on academic probation. Took 6.5 years to graduate.  To be blunt, I'm not hireable. No company in the world could look at my academic record and choose to give me a shot. I know that, and I recognize that engineering simply isn't an option for me at this point.  With that said, what *are* the options for someone like me? I don't want to work a minimum-wage job the rest of my life, like I have been full-time since graduating, and I have to believe it's possible to find some job somewhere that I could be qualified for. Or become qualified for.  What should someone in a situation like mine do?*  I appreciate any and all insight.  *I don't want to make this question specific to me, but rather broadly applicable to anyone whose undergraduate experience was, to put it mildly, an unmitigated disaster. I'm happy to answer questions about my specific situation, but I want to keep the situation generalizable for everyone.   **Addendum:** I don't want to portray myself as completely hopeless. Yes, my overall gpa is dire, but the context is that I \"earned\" a 1.42 gpa during my freshman year, and subsequently took two years off to take community college courses before returning. With the exception of a semester that proved to be almost a total loss (1.37 gpa and two D's; I should have dropped out of classes before the deadline), I earned a 2.44 gpa or higher in my other 5 semesters, and a 2.82 and 3.20 in my final two semesters, respectively (while working 20+ hours per week during both semesters). So it's not a complete wash. But it's very hard to be optimistic... I have a friend who enjoyed a full ride, earned a 3.95 gpa, and worked multiple internships...and he applied to 60 jobs, with only 2 interviews!","c_root_id_A":"ensvfd9","c_root_id_B":"ent23d6","created_at_utc_A":1558033978,"created_at_utc_B":1558036396,"score_A":9,"score_B":26,"human_ref_A":"You\u2019re not unemployable.","human_ref_B":"Hail fellow 2sy! I'll grant that I had it a bit easier, with a 2.6ish out of my BS, but here's another option for you, if you think you've got what it takes to be an engineer long-term.  Hit up every engineering masters program you can google. Literally all of them, if possible. Preferably show up in person at their graduate admissions office\/advisor's office. Beg to get let in, make sure to mention your greatly improved final two semesters, and how you've turned it around, give them whatever reassurances or even excuses they need for why you're better now than you were before. There are enough small programs around that you'll find something.  I had it fairly easy, as the mechanical engineering master's program at my university let me in without much complaint (I was kind of coming in from \"outside\" since I was coming from a physics BS), but I worked my butt off in the master's program, and came out with a mid-3s GPA from there. At that point, it wasn't difficult to find work, and no one ever inquired about my bachelor's GPA again.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2418.0,"score_ratio":2.8888888889}
{"post_id":"bpgm51","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are alternative career paths for a recent engineering graduate who's effectively unhireable as an engineer? Hola, amigos!  I just graduated from a top ten university with a degree in Chemical Engineering. Sounds great, right? Well...I graduated with a 2.21 gpa (2.43 major). Zero internship experience. Spent most of my semesters on academic probation. Took 6.5 years to graduate.  To be blunt, I'm not hireable. No company in the world could look at my academic record and choose to give me a shot. I know that, and I recognize that engineering simply isn't an option for me at this point.  With that said, what *are* the options for someone like me? I don't want to work a minimum-wage job the rest of my life, like I have been full-time since graduating, and I have to believe it's possible to find some job somewhere that I could be qualified for. Or become qualified for.  What should someone in a situation like mine do?*  I appreciate any and all insight.  *I don't want to make this question specific to me, but rather broadly applicable to anyone whose undergraduate experience was, to put it mildly, an unmitigated disaster. I'm happy to answer questions about my specific situation, but I want to keep the situation generalizable for everyone.   **Addendum:** I don't want to portray myself as completely hopeless. Yes, my overall gpa is dire, but the context is that I \"earned\" a 1.42 gpa during my freshman year, and subsequently took two years off to take community college courses before returning. With the exception of a semester that proved to be almost a total loss (1.37 gpa and two D's; I should have dropped out of classes before the deadline), I earned a 2.44 gpa or higher in my other 5 semesters, and a 2.82 and 3.20 in my final two semesters, respectively (while working 20+ hours per week during both semesters). So it's not a complete wash. But it's very hard to be optimistic... I have a friend who enjoyed a full ride, earned a 3.95 gpa, and worked multiple internships...and he applied to 60 jobs, with only 2 interviews!","c_root_id_A":"ent1h8s","c_root_id_B":"ent23d6","created_at_utc_A":1558036161,"created_at_utc_B":1558036396,"score_A":7,"score_B":26,"human_ref_A":"Don't give up! I absolutely understand how you feel, I was in the same position and the years of relentless disappointment destroyed my self esteem.   I am a design engineer now. I love it. My boss and my colleagues love me.   I did pretty well at secondary school, and then did really well in my A-levels and thought I was hot shit. I had loved cars and machines for a long time, but had no idea what engineering was, I thought an engineer was someone who swang spanners. I happened to be browsing the triumph website one day and saw their \"careers\" link. I clicked through and saw a job advert for a power train engineer and I immediately knew that that was what I wanted to be. The problem was that to get into a good uni in the UK I needed a physics A-level, generally regarded as one of the toughest, and I was halfway through my A-levels. So I convinced my teachers to let me take the A-level in half the usual time so as to not delay my starting university and I got an A.   So I got into one of the top ten unis in the country to study an integrated masters in mechanical engineering. And I failed. I failed so hard that I was immediately kicked out of the university with no appeal.   So then I applied to a top 30 university to study an integrated masters in mechanical engineering, and they gave me second chance. So there I was in first year again and this time it was gonna be different! And it was, but I still failed 30% of my modules and had to come back in summer to resit them, which I did and scraped into second year.   So then I was in second year and shit went bad, in my personal life I had a horrible year that year, and I still wasn't a model student. I failed about half my modules. I got 2% in one exam. So I had to resit in summer, but this time I still failed 3 modules.   So I had to spend a whole extra year just enrolled on those 3 modules. I sat them and passed them. And I started to pull myself together, I brushed up on everything I had learnt so far and snuck into some 3rd year lectures to get a headstart.   So now I'm in 3rd year (having spend 4 years on 1st and 2nd year) and I finally get my shit together. I join the formula student team, I do well in my individual project, and I pass everything that year. I even pull my average up to a 2:2 and I actually get into my masters year!   I start my masters year, I have my shit together, but actually no I don't because life is a bitch (and I am immature) and I fail it.   So 6 years after first sitting in an engineering lecture I leave university with a 2:2 bachelors degree that should have taken 3 years, and I have no internship or work experience because I spend basically every summer doing resits. And in the UK, in theory anyway, a design engineer should have a masters degree. A masters degree is considered a requirement for a design engineer (in theory).   So I was pretty convinced I had no chance of getting an engineering job, but I really didn't want to be a barista for the rest of my life. What the fuck was I gonna do? Well I applied to design engineer jobs anyway, because I couldn't fucking bear losing that career for ever.   And I got one. Quite quickly too. At a small local company who probably didn't know that I really should have had a masters, and probably didn't realise they should have asked my I had only just graduated when I was 24.   And its great! The people are lovely. The work is interesting and varied and creative and it really is proper design engineering. I talk to my friends from uni, some of whom went to work for massive, prestigious companies, and they don't do much design at all. I use stuff I learnt in uni all the time, and my boss thinks its great. I get nothing but good reviews.   I'm not saying that it will definitely work out for you, maybe I got lucky, but I damn well know you have already paid the price for that degree, you might as keep pushing on with that same bloody-mindedness for at least another 6 months.  Apply to small companies, get feedback on your CV and applications, and put yourself out there. Feel free to message me and I will help out however I can.","human_ref_B":"Hail fellow 2sy! I'll grant that I had it a bit easier, with a 2.6ish out of my BS, but here's another option for you, if you think you've got what it takes to be an engineer long-term.  Hit up every engineering masters program you can google. Literally all of them, if possible. Preferably show up in person at their graduate admissions office\/advisor's office. Beg to get let in, make sure to mention your greatly improved final two semesters, and how you've turned it around, give them whatever reassurances or even excuses they need for why you're better now than you were before. There are enough small programs around that you'll find something.  I had it fairly easy, as the mechanical engineering master's program at my university let me in without much complaint (I was kind of coming in from \"outside\" since I was coming from a physics BS), but I worked my butt off in the master's program, and came out with a mid-3s GPA from there. At that point, it wasn't difficult to find work, and no one ever inquired about my bachelor's GPA again.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":235.0,"score_ratio":3.7142857143}
{"post_id":"bpgm51","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are alternative career paths for a recent engineering graduate who's effectively unhireable as an engineer? Hola, amigos!  I just graduated from a top ten university with a degree in Chemical Engineering. Sounds great, right? Well...I graduated with a 2.21 gpa (2.43 major). Zero internship experience. Spent most of my semesters on academic probation. Took 6.5 years to graduate.  To be blunt, I'm not hireable. No company in the world could look at my academic record and choose to give me a shot. I know that, and I recognize that engineering simply isn't an option for me at this point.  With that said, what *are* the options for someone like me? I don't want to work a minimum-wage job the rest of my life, like I have been full-time since graduating, and I have to believe it's possible to find some job somewhere that I could be qualified for. Or become qualified for.  What should someone in a situation like mine do?*  I appreciate any and all insight.  *I don't want to make this question specific to me, but rather broadly applicable to anyone whose undergraduate experience was, to put it mildly, an unmitigated disaster. I'm happy to answer questions about my specific situation, but I want to keep the situation generalizable for everyone.   **Addendum:** I don't want to portray myself as completely hopeless. Yes, my overall gpa is dire, but the context is that I \"earned\" a 1.42 gpa during my freshman year, and subsequently took two years off to take community college courses before returning. With the exception of a semester that proved to be almost a total loss (1.37 gpa and two D's; I should have dropped out of classes before the deadline), I earned a 2.44 gpa or higher in my other 5 semesters, and a 2.82 and 3.20 in my final two semesters, respectively (while working 20+ hours per week during both semesters). So it's not a complete wash. But it's very hard to be optimistic... I have a friend who enjoyed a full ride, earned a 3.95 gpa, and worked multiple internships...and he applied to 60 jobs, with only 2 interviews!","c_root_id_A":"ent23d6","c_root_id_B":"ensxghs","created_at_utc_A":1558036396,"created_at_utc_B":1558034703,"score_A":26,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Hail fellow 2sy! I'll grant that I had it a bit easier, with a 2.6ish out of my BS, but here's another option for you, if you think you've got what it takes to be an engineer long-term.  Hit up every engineering masters program you can google. Literally all of them, if possible. Preferably show up in person at their graduate admissions office\/advisor's office. Beg to get let in, make sure to mention your greatly improved final two semesters, and how you've turned it around, give them whatever reassurances or even excuses they need for why you're better now than you were before. There are enough small programs around that you'll find something.  I had it fairly easy, as the mechanical engineering master's program at my university let me in without much complaint (I was kind of coming in from \"outside\" since I was coming from a physics BS), but I worked my butt off in the master's program, and came out with a mid-3s GPA from there. At that point, it wasn't difficult to find work, and no one ever inquired about my bachelor's GPA again.","human_ref_B":"I don't have a degree, so I'm not certain how important GPA is viewed when hiring.  I will say that the one time I saw it on a resume (3.99) I mentioned it to my employer and he said the guy seemed a bit pretentious.  That said, I'm in a different field (Structural), and the same employer generally refused to hire people with Masters level or better educations.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1693.0,"score_ratio":5.2}
{"post_id":"bpgm51","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are alternative career paths for a recent engineering graduate who's effectively unhireable as an engineer? Hola, amigos!  I just graduated from a top ten university with a degree in Chemical Engineering. Sounds great, right? Well...I graduated with a 2.21 gpa (2.43 major). Zero internship experience. Spent most of my semesters on academic probation. Took 6.5 years to graduate.  To be blunt, I'm not hireable. No company in the world could look at my academic record and choose to give me a shot. I know that, and I recognize that engineering simply isn't an option for me at this point.  With that said, what *are* the options for someone like me? I don't want to work a minimum-wage job the rest of my life, like I have been full-time since graduating, and I have to believe it's possible to find some job somewhere that I could be qualified for. Or become qualified for.  What should someone in a situation like mine do?*  I appreciate any and all insight.  *I don't want to make this question specific to me, but rather broadly applicable to anyone whose undergraduate experience was, to put it mildly, an unmitigated disaster. I'm happy to answer questions about my specific situation, but I want to keep the situation generalizable for everyone.   **Addendum:** I don't want to portray myself as completely hopeless. Yes, my overall gpa is dire, but the context is that I \"earned\" a 1.42 gpa during my freshman year, and subsequently took two years off to take community college courses before returning. With the exception of a semester that proved to be almost a total loss (1.37 gpa and two D's; I should have dropped out of classes before the deadline), I earned a 2.44 gpa or higher in my other 5 semesters, and a 2.82 and 3.20 in my final two semesters, respectively (while working 20+ hours per week during both semesters). So it's not a complete wash. But it's very hard to be optimistic... I have a friend who enjoyed a full ride, earned a 3.95 gpa, and worked multiple internships...and he applied to 60 jobs, with only 2 interviews!","c_root_id_A":"entw1c9","c_root_id_B":"ent2hax","created_at_utc_A":1558048500,"created_at_utc_B":1558036542,"score_A":15,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"Join us over in sales sucka","human_ref_B":"GPA means nothing when you get into the working world.  It doesn\u2019t define you, it\u2019s simply a number designed to reflect how well you managed in school - it is by no means perfect.  You are seriously selling your future employers short if you think that is what they will base everything on when it comes to hiring.  Is it a good thing, no, but it\u2019s not a deal breaker.  Don\u2019t dwell on it just offer a brief explanation and move on.  Do you think every single one of the people on the other end of that interview table graduated with a 4.0?  No way.    You\u2019re also selling yourself short, you got the degree, congrats!  The tone of your post sounds like you didn\u2019t and you\u2019ve already given up - you need to ditch that mentality.  Be proud and go for it if that\u2019s what you want.  I get it, I t\u2019s definitely easier to not try because of embarrassment or whatever it is, but I think owning your shortcomings will end up working more in your favor than you think. As long as you can demonstrate all the other qualities they are looking for you shouldn\u2019t worry too much.  Best of luck.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":11958.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"bpgm51","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are alternative career paths for a recent engineering graduate who's effectively unhireable as an engineer? Hola, amigos!  I just graduated from a top ten university with a degree in Chemical Engineering. Sounds great, right? Well...I graduated with a 2.21 gpa (2.43 major). Zero internship experience. Spent most of my semesters on academic probation. Took 6.5 years to graduate.  To be blunt, I'm not hireable. No company in the world could look at my academic record and choose to give me a shot. I know that, and I recognize that engineering simply isn't an option for me at this point.  With that said, what *are* the options for someone like me? I don't want to work a minimum-wage job the rest of my life, like I have been full-time since graduating, and I have to believe it's possible to find some job somewhere that I could be qualified for. Or become qualified for.  What should someone in a situation like mine do?*  I appreciate any and all insight.  *I don't want to make this question specific to me, but rather broadly applicable to anyone whose undergraduate experience was, to put it mildly, an unmitigated disaster. I'm happy to answer questions about my specific situation, but I want to keep the situation generalizable for everyone.   **Addendum:** I don't want to portray myself as completely hopeless. Yes, my overall gpa is dire, but the context is that I \"earned\" a 1.42 gpa during my freshman year, and subsequently took two years off to take community college courses before returning. With the exception of a semester that proved to be almost a total loss (1.37 gpa and two D's; I should have dropped out of classes before the deadline), I earned a 2.44 gpa or higher in my other 5 semesters, and a 2.82 and 3.20 in my final two semesters, respectively (while working 20+ hours per week during both semesters). So it's not a complete wash. But it's very hard to be optimistic... I have a friend who enjoyed a full ride, earned a 3.95 gpa, and worked multiple internships...and he applied to 60 jobs, with only 2 interviews!","c_root_id_A":"ensvfd9","c_root_id_B":"entw1c9","created_at_utc_A":1558033978,"created_at_utc_B":1558048500,"score_A":9,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"You\u2019re not unemployable.","human_ref_B":"Join us over in sales sucka","labels":0,"seconds_difference":14522.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"bpgm51","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are alternative career paths for a recent engineering graduate who's effectively unhireable as an engineer? Hola, amigos!  I just graduated from a top ten university with a degree in Chemical Engineering. Sounds great, right? Well...I graduated with a 2.21 gpa (2.43 major). Zero internship experience. Spent most of my semesters on academic probation. Took 6.5 years to graduate.  To be blunt, I'm not hireable. No company in the world could look at my academic record and choose to give me a shot. I know that, and I recognize that engineering simply isn't an option for me at this point.  With that said, what *are* the options for someone like me? I don't want to work a minimum-wage job the rest of my life, like I have been full-time since graduating, and I have to believe it's possible to find some job somewhere that I could be qualified for. Or become qualified for.  What should someone in a situation like mine do?*  I appreciate any and all insight.  *I don't want to make this question specific to me, but rather broadly applicable to anyone whose undergraduate experience was, to put it mildly, an unmitigated disaster. I'm happy to answer questions about my specific situation, but I want to keep the situation generalizable for everyone.   **Addendum:** I don't want to portray myself as completely hopeless. Yes, my overall gpa is dire, but the context is that I \"earned\" a 1.42 gpa during my freshman year, and subsequently took two years off to take community college courses before returning. With the exception of a semester that proved to be almost a total loss (1.37 gpa and two D's; I should have dropped out of classes before the deadline), I earned a 2.44 gpa or higher in my other 5 semesters, and a 2.82 and 3.20 in my final two semesters, respectively (while working 20+ hours per week during both semesters). So it's not a complete wash. But it's very hard to be optimistic... I have a friend who enjoyed a full ride, earned a 3.95 gpa, and worked multiple internships...and he applied to 60 jobs, with only 2 interviews!","c_root_id_A":"entw1c9","c_root_id_B":"ent1h8s","created_at_utc_A":1558048500,"created_at_utc_B":1558036161,"score_A":15,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Join us over in sales sucka","human_ref_B":"Don't give up! I absolutely understand how you feel, I was in the same position and the years of relentless disappointment destroyed my self esteem.   I am a design engineer now. I love it. My boss and my colleagues love me.   I did pretty well at secondary school, and then did really well in my A-levels and thought I was hot shit. I had loved cars and machines for a long time, but had no idea what engineering was, I thought an engineer was someone who swang spanners. I happened to be browsing the triumph website one day and saw their \"careers\" link. I clicked through and saw a job advert for a power train engineer and I immediately knew that that was what I wanted to be. The problem was that to get into a good uni in the UK I needed a physics A-level, generally regarded as one of the toughest, and I was halfway through my A-levels. So I convinced my teachers to let me take the A-level in half the usual time so as to not delay my starting university and I got an A.   So I got into one of the top ten unis in the country to study an integrated masters in mechanical engineering. And I failed. I failed so hard that I was immediately kicked out of the university with no appeal.   So then I applied to a top 30 university to study an integrated masters in mechanical engineering, and they gave me second chance. So there I was in first year again and this time it was gonna be different! And it was, but I still failed 30% of my modules and had to come back in summer to resit them, which I did and scraped into second year.   So then I was in second year and shit went bad, in my personal life I had a horrible year that year, and I still wasn't a model student. I failed about half my modules. I got 2% in one exam. So I had to resit in summer, but this time I still failed 3 modules.   So I had to spend a whole extra year just enrolled on those 3 modules. I sat them and passed them. And I started to pull myself together, I brushed up on everything I had learnt so far and snuck into some 3rd year lectures to get a headstart.   So now I'm in 3rd year (having spend 4 years on 1st and 2nd year) and I finally get my shit together. I join the formula student team, I do well in my individual project, and I pass everything that year. I even pull my average up to a 2:2 and I actually get into my masters year!   I start my masters year, I have my shit together, but actually no I don't because life is a bitch (and I am immature) and I fail it.   So 6 years after first sitting in an engineering lecture I leave university with a 2:2 bachelors degree that should have taken 3 years, and I have no internship or work experience because I spend basically every summer doing resits. And in the UK, in theory anyway, a design engineer should have a masters degree. A masters degree is considered a requirement for a design engineer (in theory).   So I was pretty convinced I had no chance of getting an engineering job, but I really didn't want to be a barista for the rest of my life. What the fuck was I gonna do? Well I applied to design engineer jobs anyway, because I couldn't fucking bear losing that career for ever.   And I got one. Quite quickly too. At a small local company who probably didn't know that I really should have had a masters, and probably didn't realise they should have asked my I had only just graduated when I was 24.   And its great! The people are lovely. The work is interesting and varied and creative and it really is proper design engineering. I talk to my friends from uni, some of whom went to work for massive, prestigious companies, and they don't do much design at all. I use stuff I learnt in uni all the time, and my boss thinks its great. I get nothing but good reviews.   I'm not saying that it will definitely work out for you, maybe I got lucky, but I damn well know you have already paid the price for that degree, you might as keep pushing on with that same bloody-mindedness for at least another 6 months.  Apply to small companies, get feedback on your CV and applications, and put yourself out there. Feel free to message me and I will help out however I can.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":12339.0,"score_ratio":2.1428571429}
{"post_id":"bpgm51","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are alternative career paths for a recent engineering graduate who's effectively unhireable as an engineer? Hola, amigos!  I just graduated from a top ten university with a degree in Chemical Engineering. Sounds great, right? Well...I graduated with a 2.21 gpa (2.43 major). Zero internship experience. Spent most of my semesters on academic probation. Took 6.5 years to graduate.  To be blunt, I'm not hireable. No company in the world could look at my academic record and choose to give me a shot. I know that, and I recognize that engineering simply isn't an option for me at this point.  With that said, what *are* the options for someone like me? I don't want to work a minimum-wage job the rest of my life, like I have been full-time since graduating, and I have to believe it's possible to find some job somewhere that I could be qualified for. Or become qualified for.  What should someone in a situation like mine do?*  I appreciate any and all insight.  *I don't want to make this question specific to me, but rather broadly applicable to anyone whose undergraduate experience was, to put it mildly, an unmitigated disaster. I'm happy to answer questions about my specific situation, but I want to keep the situation generalizable for everyone.   **Addendum:** I don't want to portray myself as completely hopeless. Yes, my overall gpa is dire, but the context is that I \"earned\" a 1.42 gpa during my freshman year, and subsequently took two years off to take community college courses before returning. With the exception of a semester that proved to be almost a total loss (1.37 gpa and two D's; I should have dropped out of classes before the deadline), I earned a 2.44 gpa or higher in my other 5 semesters, and a 2.82 and 3.20 in my final two semesters, respectively (while working 20+ hours per week during both semesters). So it's not a complete wash. But it's very hard to be optimistic... I have a friend who enjoyed a full ride, earned a 3.95 gpa, and worked multiple internships...and he applied to 60 jobs, with only 2 interviews!","c_root_id_A":"ent51q3","c_root_id_B":"entw1c9","created_at_utc_A":1558037532,"created_at_utc_B":1558048500,"score_A":5,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"I don't think it is nearly that dire.  I graduated in a somewhat similar situation in 2010.  Now I am a P.E. working on really good projects in water treatment, aquaculture, and renewable energy.  I even did a brief hiatus from water treatment to work on a portion of the Navy\/Boeing F-18 Super Hornet program, and some projects for Rolls-Royce.  Currently, I am helping to build the largest and most ambitious sustainable fish farm in the Western Hemisphere.  Don't go straight for the Fortune 500 companies, they aren't all that they seem to be.  Get started with a small company, find a mentor, and build experience.  I have never had an employer ask my GPA, mostly because my technical skills speak for themselves.  Work on confidence in your interviews, and learn how to steer conversation away from academics, many interviewers at small firms will go there by default if you let them lead you there.  If you can turn the conversation to technical and industry topics, you may be able to avoid it completely.  On my resume, I just had my degrees and graduation dates, nothing else.","human_ref_B":"Join us over in sales sucka","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10968.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"bpgm51","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are alternative career paths for a recent engineering graduate who's effectively unhireable as an engineer? Hola, amigos!  I just graduated from a top ten university with a degree in Chemical Engineering. Sounds great, right? Well...I graduated with a 2.21 gpa (2.43 major). Zero internship experience. Spent most of my semesters on academic probation. Took 6.5 years to graduate.  To be blunt, I'm not hireable. No company in the world could look at my academic record and choose to give me a shot. I know that, and I recognize that engineering simply isn't an option for me at this point.  With that said, what *are* the options for someone like me? I don't want to work a minimum-wage job the rest of my life, like I have been full-time since graduating, and I have to believe it's possible to find some job somewhere that I could be qualified for. Or become qualified for.  What should someone in a situation like mine do?*  I appreciate any and all insight.  *I don't want to make this question specific to me, but rather broadly applicable to anyone whose undergraduate experience was, to put it mildly, an unmitigated disaster. I'm happy to answer questions about my specific situation, but I want to keep the situation generalizable for everyone.   **Addendum:** I don't want to portray myself as completely hopeless. Yes, my overall gpa is dire, but the context is that I \"earned\" a 1.42 gpa during my freshman year, and subsequently took two years off to take community college courses before returning. With the exception of a semester that proved to be almost a total loss (1.37 gpa and two D's; I should have dropped out of classes before the deadline), I earned a 2.44 gpa or higher in my other 5 semesters, and a 2.82 and 3.20 in my final two semesters, respectively (while working 20+ hours per week during both semesters). So it's not a complete wash. But it's very hard to be optimistic... I have a friend who enjoyed a full ride, earned a 3.95 gpa, and worked multiple internships...and he applied to 60 jobs, with only 2 interviews!","c_root_id_A":"entw1c9","c_root_id_B":"ensxghs","created_at_utc_A":1558048500,"created_at_utc_B":1558034703,"score_A":15,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Join us over in sales sucka","human_ref_B":"I don't have a degree, so I'm not certain how important GPA is viewed when hiring.  I will say that the one time I saw it on a resume (3.99) I mentioned it to my employer and he said the guy seemed a bit pretentious.  That said, I'm in a different field (Structural), and the same employer generally refused to hire people with Masters level or better educations.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":13797.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"bpgm51","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are alternative career paths for a recent engineering graduate who's effectively unhireable as an engineer? Hola, amigos!  I just graduated from a top ten university with a degree in Chemical Engineering. Sounds great, right? Well...I graduated with a 2.21 gpa (2.43 major). Zero internship experience. Spent most of my semesters on academic probation. Took 6.5 years to graduate.  To be blunt, I'm not hireable. No company in the world could look at my academic record and choose to give me a shot. I know that, and I recognize that engineering simply isn't an option for me at this point.  With that said, what *are* the options for someone like me? I don't want to work a minimum-wage job the rest of my life, like I have been full-time since graduating, and I have to believe it's possible to find some job somewhere that I could be qualified for. Or become qualified for.  What should someone in a situation like mine do?*  I appreciate any and all insight.  *I don't want to make this question specific to me, but rather broadly applicable to anyone whose undergraduate experience was, to put it mildly, an unmitigated disaster. I'm happy to answer questions about my specific situation, but I want to keep the situation generalizable for everyone.   **Addendum:** I don't want to portray myself as completely hopeless. Yes, my overall gpa is dire, but the context is that I \"earned\" a 1.42 gpa during my freshman year, and subsequently took two years off to take community college courses before returning. With the exception of a semester that proved to be almost a total loss (1.37 gpa and two D's; I should have dropped out of classes before the deadline), I earned a 2.44 gpa or higher in my other 5 semesters, and a 2.82 and 3.20 in my final two semesters, respectively (while working 20+ hours per week during both semesters). So it's not a complete wash. But it's very hard to be optimistic... I have a friend who enjoyed a full ride, earned a 3.95 gpa, and worked multiple internships...and he applied to 60 jobs, with only 2 interviews!","c_root_id_A":"entw1c9","c_root_id_B":"entd7cq","created_at_utc_A":1558048500,"created_at_utc_B":1558040478,"score_A":15,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Join us over in sales sucka","human_ref_B":"Just leave it off the resume. Id say continue applying to all the engineering jobs you want. Be aware they will SOMETIMES ask to which you tell them straight up the number. You can then tell them how you brought it back. The job I have now never even asked my gpa despite me being a recent graduate with my bachelors. My company does not ask about gpa cause who cares. I would not sell yourself short but know the gpa will cause the job search to be a bit longer.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8022.0,"score_ratio":5.0}
{"post_id":"bpgm51","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are alternative career paths for a recent engineering graduate who's effectively unhireable as an engineer? Hola, amigos!  I just graduated from a top ten university with a degree in Chemical Engineering. Sounds great, right? Well...I graduated with a 2.21 gpa (2.43 major). Zero internship experience. Spent most of my semesters on academic probation. Took 6.5 years to graduate.  To be blunt, I'm not hireable. No company in the world could look at my academic record and choose to give me a shot. I know that, and I recognize that engineering simply isn't an option for me at this point.  With that said, what *are* the options for someone like me? I don't want to work a minimum-wage job the rest of my life, like I have been full-time since graduating, and I have to believe it's possible to find some job somewhere that I could be qualified for. Or become qualified for.  What should someone in a situation like mine do?*  I appreciate any and all insight.  *I don't want to make this question specific to me, but rather broadly applicable to anyone whose undergraduate experience was, to put it mildly, an unmitigated disaster. I'm happy to answer questions about my specific situation, but I want to keep the situation generalizable for everyone.   **Addendum:** I don't want to portray myself as completely hopeless. Yes, my overall gpa is dire, but the context is that I \"earned\" a 1.42 gpa during my freshman year, and subsequently took two years off to take community college courses before returning. With the exception of a semester that proved to be almost a total loss (1.37 gpa and two D's; I should have dropped out of classes before the deadline), I earned a 2.44 gpa or higher in my other 5 semesters, and a 2.82 and 3.20 in my final two semesters, respectively (while working 20+ hours per week during both semesters). So it's not a complete wash. But it's very hard to be optimistic... I have a friend who enjoyed a full ride, earned a 3.95 gpa, and worked multiple internships...and he applied to 60 jobs, with only 2 interviews!","c_root_id_A":"entw1c9","c_root_id_B":"entkpf3","created_at_utc_A":1558048500,"created_at_utc_B":1558043419,"score_A":15,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Join us over in sales sucka","human_ref_B":"I didn't graduate and got a job as a project engineer in construction very solid pay. I was able to move on from that into another project engineer role at a AEC company working for an expert witness. I make a very solid living in a high cost of living metro area.    jobs are out there but you wont get one if you tell yourself (or god forbid other people) you're \"unhireable\"","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5081.0,"score_ratio":5.0}
{"post_id":"bpgm51","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are alternative career paths for a recent engineering graduate who's effectively unhireable as an engineer? Hola, amigos!  I just graduated from a top ten university with a degree in Chemical Engineering. Sounds great, right? Well...I graduated with a 2.21 gpa (2.43 major). Zero internship experience. Spent most of my semesters on academic probation. Took 6.5 years to graduate.  To be blunt, I'm not hireable. No company in the world could look at my academic record and choose to give me a shot. I know that, and I recognize that engineering simply isn't an option for me at this point.  With that said, what *are* the options for someone like me? I don't want to work a minimum-wage job the rest of my life, like I have been full-time since graduating, and I have to believe it's possible to find some job somewhere that I could be qualified for. Or become qualified for.  What should someone in a situation like mine do?*  I appreciate any and all insight.  *I don't want to make this question specific to me, but rather broadly applicable to anyone whose undergraduate experience was, to put it mildly, an unmitigated disaster. I'm happy to answer questions about my specific situation, but I want to keep the situation generalizable for everyone.   **Addendum:** I don't want to portray myself as completely hopeless. Yes, my overall gpa is dire, but the context is that I \"earned\" a 1.42 gpa during my freshman year, and subsequently took two years off to take community college courses before returning. With the exception of a semester that proved to be almost a total loss (1.37 gpa and two D's; I should have dropped out of classes before the deadline), I earned a 2.44 gpa or higher in my other 5 semesters, and a 2.82 and 3.20 in my final two semesters, respectively (while working 20+ hours per week during both semesters). So it's not a complete wash. But it's very hard to be optimistic... I have a friend who enjoyed a full ride, earned a 3.95 gpa, and worked multiple internships...and he applied to 60 jobs, with only 2 interviews!","c_root_id_A":"entw1c9","c_root_id_B":"entmk4v","created_at_utc_A":1558048500,"created_at_utc_B":1558044223,"score_A":15,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Join us over in sales sucka","human_ref_B":"I graduated with a similar GPA and a degree in industrial design, with a concentration in furniture design. Basically I have a degree in chairs. That was ten years ago. Now I'm a senior engineer for a $70b aerospace company. I have a great job and it happened because I took a job as an engineering designer right out of school at a baby aero firm and absorbed everything like a sponge for 7 years. Make sure your resume is good and practice interviewing so you interview well. Apply for things you'd never accept for the interview practice. Don't put the GPA on the resume and nobody will ask. If they ask why you took so long to finish, tell them you had to move home for a while for family or something. Trust me, performance in school does not equate to performance in a career.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4277.0,"score_ratio":5.0}
{"post_id":"bpgm51","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are alternative career paths for a recent engineering graduate who's effectively unhireable as an engineer? Hola, amigos!  I just graduated from a top ten university with a degree in Chemical Engineering. Sounds great, right? Well...I graduated with a 2.21 gpa (2.43 major). Zero internship experience. Spent most of my semesters on academic probation. Took 6.5 years to graduate.  To be blunt, I'm not hireable. No company in the world could look at my academic record and choose to give me a shot. I know that, and I recognize that engineering simply isn't an option for me at this point.  With that said, what *are* the options for someone like me? I don't want to work a minimum-wage job the rest of my life, like I have been full-time since graduating, and I have to believe it's possible to find some job somewhere that I could be qualified for. Or become qualified for.  What should someone in a situation like mine do?*  I appreciate any and all insight.  *I don't want to make this question specific to me, but rather broadly applicable to anyone whose undergraduate experience was, to put it mildly, an unmitigated disaster. I'm happy to answer questions about my specific situation, but I want to keep the situation generalizable for everyone.   **Addendum:** I don't want to portray myself as completely hopeless. Yes, my overall gpa is dire, but the context is that I \"earned\" a 1.42 gpa during my freshman year, and subsequently took two years off to take community college courses before returning. With the exception of a semester that proved to be almost a total loss (1.37 gpa and two D's; I should have dropped out of classes before the deadline), I earned a 2.44 gpa or higher in my other 5 semesters, and a 2.82 and 3.20 in my final two semesters, respectively (while working 20+ hours per week during both semesters). So it's not a complete wash. But it's very hard to be optimistic... I have a friend who enjoyed a full ride, earned a 3.95 gpa, and worked multiple internships...and he applied to 60 jobs, with only 2 interviews!","c_root_id_A":"entw1c9","c_root_id_B":"entsh78","created_at_utc_A":1558048500,"created_at_utc_B":1558047100,"score_A":15,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Join us over in sales sucka","human_ref_B":"Do some technical projects on the side to showcase some talent \/ skills. (Doesn\u2019t have to be chemical engineering) then take them to interviews.  People like that.  People also like authenticity, and I don\u2019t think you have a problem there.  Also remove your GPa from your resume.   But I donno. What are you interested in when you\u2019re not working?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1400.0,"score_ratio":7.5}
{"post_id":"bpgm51","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are alternative career paths for a recent engineering graduate who's effectively unhireable as an engineer? Hola, amigos!  I just graduated from a top ten university with a degree in Chemical Engineering. Sounds great, right? Well...I graduated with a 2.21 gpa (2.43 major). Zero internship experience. Spent most of my semesters on academic probation. Took 6.5 years to graduate.  To be blunt, I'm not hireable. No company in the world could look at my academic record and choose to give me a shot. I know that, and I recognize that engineering simply isn't an option for me at this point.  With that said, what *are* the options for someone like me? I don't want to work a minimum-wage job the rest of my life, like I have been full-time since graduating, and I have to believe it's possible to find some job somewhere that I could be qualified for. Or become qualified for.  What should someone in a situation like mine do?*  I appreciate any and all insight.  *I don't want to make this question specific to me, but rather broadly applicable to anyone whose undergraduate experience was, to put it mildly, an unmitigated disaster. I'm happy to answer questions about my specific situation, but I want to keep the situation generalizable for everyone.   **Addendum:** I don't want to portray myself as completely hopeless. Yes, my overall gpa is dire, but the context is that I \"earned\" a 1.42 gpa during my freshman year, and subsequently took two years off to take community college courses before returning. With the exception of a semester that proved to be almost a total loss (1.37 gpa and two D's; I should have dropped out of classes before the deadline), I earned a 2.44 gpa or higher in my other 5 semesters, and a 2.82 and 3.20 in my final two semesters, respectively (while working 20+ hours per week during both semesters). So it's not a complete wash. But it's very hard to be optimistic... I have a friend who enjoyed a full ride, earned a 3.95 gpa, and worked multiple internships...and he applied to 60 jobs, with only 2 interviews!","c_root_id_A":"ent2hax","c_root_id_B":"ent47gg","created_at_utc_A":1558036542,"created_at_utc_B":1558037207,"score_A":12,"score_B":16,"human_ref_A":"GPA means nothing when you get into the working world.  It doesn\u2019t define you, it\u2019s simply a number designed to reflect how well you managed in school - it is by no means perfect.  You are seriously selling your future employers short if you think that is what they will base everything on when it comes to hiring.  Is it a good thing, no, but it\u2019s not a deal breaker.  Don\u2019t dwell on it just offer a brief explanation and move on.  Do you think every single one of the people on the other end of that interview table graduated with a 4.0?  No way.    You\u2019re also selling yourself short, you got the degree, congrats!  The tone of your post sounds like you didn\u2019t and you\u2019ve already given up - you need to ditch that mentality.  Be proud and go for it if that\u2019s what you want.  I get it, I t\u2019s definitely easier to not try because of embarrassment or whatever it is, but I think owning your shortcomings will end up working more in your favor than you think. As long as you can demonstrate all the other qualities they are looking for you shouldn\u2019t worry too much.  Best of luck.","human_ref_B":"Don't put your GPA on there but do not lie when they ask. Explain your case and tell them you worked through it. Just reading your post you can tell you communicate well so I'm guessing you're a confident speaker. Just be open and honest and tell them that you didn't quit and aren't interested in quitting. This career field means something to you and you'd like a chance at a job with a place that has some patience to help somebody learn. You'll probably do just fine.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":665.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"bpgm51","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are alternative career paths for a recent engineering graduate who's effectively unhireable as an engineer? Hola, amigos!  I just graduated from a top ten university with a degree in Chemical Engineering. Sounds great, right? Well...I graduated with a 2.21 gpa (2.43 major). Zero internship experience. Spent most of my semesters on academic probation. Took 6.5 years to graduate.  To be blunt, I'm not hireable. No company in the world could look at my academic record and choose to give me a shot. I know that, and I recognize that engineering simply isn't an option for me at this point.  With that said, what *are* the options for someone like me? I don't want to work a minimum-wage job the rest of my life, like I have been full-time since graduating, and I have to believe it's possible to find some job somewhere that I could be qualified for. Or become qualified for.  What should someone in a situation like mine do?*  I appreciate any and all insight.  *I don't want to make this question specific to me, but rather broadly applicable to anyone whose undergraduate experience was, to put it mildly, an unmitigated disaster. I'm happy to answer questions about my specific situation, but I want to keep the situation generalizable for everyone.   **Addendum:** I don't want to portray myself as completely hopeless. Yes, my overall gpa is dire, but the context is that I \"earned\" a 1.42 gpa during my freshman year, and subsequently took two years off to take community college courses before returning. With the exception of a semester that proved to be almost a total loss (1.37 gpa and two D's; I should have dropped out of classes before the deadline), I earned a 2.44 gpa or higher in my other 5 semesters, and a 2.82 and 3.20 in my final two semesters, respectively (while working 20+ hours per week during both semesters). So it's not a complete wash. But it's very hard to be optimistic... I have a friend who enjoyed a full ride, earned a 3.95 gpa, and worked multiple internships...and he applied to 60 jobs, with only 2 interviews!","c_root_id_A":"ensvfd9","c_root_id_B":"ent47gg","created_at_utc_A":1558033978,"created_at_utc_B":1558037207,"score_A":9,"score_B":16,"human_ref_A":"You\u2019re not unemployable.","human_ref_B":"Don't put your GPA on there but do not lie when they ask. Explain your case and tell them you worked through it. Just reading your post you can tell you communicate well so I'm guessing you're a confident speaker. Just be open and honest and tell them that you didn't quit and aren't interested in quitting. This career field means something to you and you'd like a chance at a job with a place that has some patience to help somebody learn. You'll probably do just fine.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3229.0,"score_ratio":1.7777777778}
{"post_id":"bpgm51","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are alternative career paths for a recent engineering graduate who's effectively unhireable as an engineer? Hola, amigos!  I just graduated from a top ten university with a degree in Chemical Engineering. Sounds great, right? Well...I graduated with a 2.21 gpa (2.43 major). Zero internship experience. Spent most of my semesters on academic probation. Took 6.5 years to graduate.  To be blunt, I'm not hireable. No company in the world could look at my academic record and choose to give me a shot. I know that, and I recognize that engineering simply isn't an option for me at this point.  With that said, what *are* the options for someone like me? I don't want to work a minimum-wage job the rest of my life, like I have been full-time since graduating, and I have to believe it's possible to find some job somewhere that I could be qualified for. Or become qualified for.  What should someone in a situation like mine do?*  I appreciate any and all insight.  *I don't want to make this question specific to me, but rather broadly applicable to anyone whose undergraduate experience was, to put it mildly, an unmitigated disaster. I'm happy to answer questions about my specific situation, but I want to keep the situation generalizable for everyone.   **Addendum:** I don't want to portray myself as completely hopeless. Yes, my overall gpa is dire, but the context is that I \"earned\" a 1.42 gpa during my freshman year, and subsequently took two years off to take community college courses before returning. With the exception of a semester that proved to be almost a total loss (1.37 gpa and two D's; I should have dropped out of classes before the deadline), I earned a 2.44 gpa or higher in my other 5 semesters, and a 2.82 and 3.20 in my final two semesters, respectively (while working 20+ hours per week during both semesters). So it's not a complete wash. But it's very hard to be optimistic... I have a friend who enjoyed a full ride, earned a 3.95 gpa, and worked multiple internships...and he applied to 60 jobs, with only 2 interviews!","c_root_id_A":"ent47gg","c_root_id_B":"ent1h8s","created_at_utc_A":1558037207,"created_at_utc_B":1558036161,"score_A":16,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Don't put your GPA on there but do not lie when they ask. Explain your case and tell them you worked through it. Just reading your post you can tell you communicate well so I'm guessing you're a confident speaker. Just be open and honest and tell them that you didn't quit and aren't interested in quitting. This career field means something to you and you'd like a chance at a job with a place that has some patience to help somebody learn. You'll probably do just fine.","human_ref_B":"Don't give up! I absolutely understand how you feel, I was in the same position and the years of relentless disappointment destroyed my self esteem.   I am a design engineer now. I love it. My boss and my colleagues love me.   I did pretty well at secondary school, and then did really well in my A-levels and thought I was hot shit. I had loved cars and machines for a long time, but had no idea what engineering was, I thought an engineer was someone who swang spanners. I happened to be browsing the triumph website one day and saw their \"careers\" link. I clicked through and saw a job advert for a power train engineer and I immediately knew that that was what I wanted to be. The problem was that to get into a good uni in the UK I needed a physics A-level, generally regarded as one of the toughest, and I was halfway through my A-levels. So I convinced my teachers to let me take the A-level in half the usual time so as to not delay my starting university and I got an A.   So I got into one of the top ten unis in the country to study an integrated masters in mechanical engineering. And I failed. I failed so hard that I was immediately kicked out of the university with no appeal.   So then I applied to a top 30 university to study an integrated masters in mechanical engineering, and they gave me second chance. So there I was in first year again and this time it was gonna be different! And it was, but I still failed 30% of my modules and had to come back in summer to resit them, which I did and scraped into second year.   So then I was in second year and shit went bad, in my personal life I had a horrible year that year, and I still wasn't a model student. I failed about half my modules. I got 2% in one exam. So I had to resit in summer, but this time I still failed 3 modules.   So I had to spend a whole extra year just enrolled on those 3 modules. I sat them and passed them. And I started to pull myself together, I brushed up on everything I had learnt so far and snuck into some 3rd year lectures to get a headstart.   So now I'm in 3rd year (having spend 4 years on 1st and 2nd year) and I finally get my shit together. I join the formula student team, I do well in my individual project, and I pass everything that year. I even pull my average up to a 2:2 and I actually get into my masters year!   I start my masters year, I have my shit together, but actually no I don't because life is a bitch (and I am immature) and I fail it.   So 6 years after first sitting in an engineering lecture I leave university with a 2:2 bachelors degree that should have taken 3 years, and I have no internship or work experience because I spend basically every summer doing resits. And in the UK, in theory anyway, a design engineer should have a masters degree. A masters degree is considered a requirement for a design engineer (in theory).   So I was pretty convinced I had no chance of getting an engineering job, but I really didn't want to be a barista for the rest of my life. What the fuck was I gonna do? Well I applied to design engineer jobs anyway, because I couldn't fucking bear losing that career for ever.   And I got one. Quite quickly too. At a small local company who probably didn't know that I really should have had a masters, and probably didn't realise they should have asked my I had only just graduated when I was 24.   And its great! The people are lovely. The work is interesting and varied and creative and it really is proper design engineering. I talk to my friends from uni, some of whom went to work for massive, prestigious companies, and they don't do much design at all. I use stuff I learnt in uni all the time, and my boss thinks its great. I get nothing but good reviews.   I'm not saying that it will definitely work out for you, maybe I got lucky, but I damn well know you have already paid the price for that degree, you might as keep pushing on with that same bloody-mindedness for at least another 6 months.  Apply to small companies, get feedback on your CV and applications, and put yourself out there. Feel free to message me and I will help out however I can.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1046.0,"score_ratio":2.2857142857}
{"post_id":"bpgm51","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are alternative career paths for a recent engineering graduate who's effectively unhireable as an engineer? Hola, amigos!  I just graduated from a top ten university with a degree in Chemical Engineering. Sounds great, right? Well...I graduated with a 2.21 gpa (2.43 major). Zero internship experience. Spent most of my semesters on academic probation. Took 6.5 years to graduate.  To be blunt, I'm not hireable. No company in the world could look at my academic record and choose to give me a shot. I know that, and I recognize that engineering simply isn't an option for me at this point.  With that said, what *are* the options for someone like me? I don't want to work a minimum-wage job the rest of my life, like I have been full-time since graduating, and I have to believe it's possible to find some job somewhere that I could be qualified for. Or become qualified for.  What should someone in a situation like mine do?*  I appreciate any and all insight.  *I don't want to make this question specific to me, but rather broadly applicable to anyone whose undergraduate experience was, to put it mildly, an unmitigated disaster. I'm happy to answer questions about my specific situation, but I want to keep the situation generalizable for everyone.   **Addendum:** I don't want to portray myself as completely hopeless. Yes, my overall gpa is dire, but the context is that I \"earned\" a 1.42 gpa during my freshman year, and subsequently took two years off to take community college courses before returning. With the exception of a semester that proved to be almost a total loss (1.37 gpa and two D's; I should have dropped out of classes before the deadline), I earned a 2.44 gpa or higher in my other 5 semesters, and a 2.82 and 3.20 in my final two semesters, respectively (while working 20+ hours per week during both semesters). So it's not a complete wash. But it's very hard to be optimistic... I have a friend who enjoyed a full ride, earned a 3.95 gpa, and worked multiple internships...and he applied to 60 jobs, with only 2 interviews!","c_root_id_A":"ent47gg","c_root_id_B":"ensxghs","created_at_utc_A":1558037207,"created_at_utc_B":1558034703,"score_A":16,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Don't put your GPA on there but do not lie when they ask. Explain your case and tell them you worked through it. Just reading your post you can tell you communicate well so I'm guessing you're a confident speaker. Just be open and honest and tell them that you didn't quit and aren't interested in quitting. This career field means something to you and you'd like a chance at a job with a place that has some patience to help somebody learn. You'll probably do just fine.","human_ref_B":"I don't have a degree, so I'm not certain how important GPA is viewed when hiring.  I will say that the one time I saw it on a resume (3.99) I mentioned it to my employer and he said the guy seemed a bit pretentious.  That said, I'm in a different field (Structural), and the same employer generally refused to hire people with Masters level or better educations.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2504.0,"score_ratio":3.2}
{"post_id":"bpgm51","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are alternative career paths for a recent engineering graduate who's effectively unhireable as an engineer? Hola, amigos!  I just graduated from a top ten university with a degree in Chemical Engineering. Sounds great, right? Well...I graduated with a 2.21 gpa (2.43 major). Zero internship experience. Spent most of my semesters on academic probation. Took 6.5 years to graduate.  To be blunt, I'm not hireable. No company in the world could look at my academic record and choose to give me a shot. I know that, and I recognize that engineering simply isn't an option for me at this point.  With that said, what *are* the options for someone like me? I don't want to work a minimum-wage job the rest of my life, like I have been full-time since graduating, and I have to believe it's possible to find some job somewhere that I could be qualified for. Or become qualified for.  What should someone in a situation like mine do?*  I appreciate any and all insight.  *I don't want to make this question specific to me, but rather broadly applicable to anyone whose undergraduate experience was, to put it mildly, an unmitigated disaster. I'm happy to answer questions about my specific situation, but I want to keep the situation generalizable for everyone.   **Addendum:** I don't want to portray myself as completely hopeless. Yes, my overall gpa is dire, but the context is that I \"earned\" a 1.42 gpa during my freshman year, and subsequently took two years off to take community college courses before returning. With the exception of a semester that proved to be almost a total loss (1.37 gpa and two D's; I should have dropped out of classes before the deadline), I earned a 2.44 gpa or higher in my other 5 semesters, and a 2.82 and 3.20 in my final two semesters, respectively (while working 20+ hours per week during both semesters). So it's not a complete wash. But it's very hard to be optimistic... I have a friend who enjoyed a full ride, earned a 3.95 gpa, and worked multiple internships...and he applied to 60 jobs, with only 2 interviews!","c_root_id_A":"ent84xw","c_root_id_B":"ent2hax","created_at_utc_A":1558038640,"created_at_utc_B":1558036542,"score_A":15,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"If took me 5.5 years, I think my gpa was 2.1. I am a hard working person, self motivated, easy to work with, and and communicate clearly. Not everything in a job is purely academic. There are qualities to a person that you cannon learn in school. Ask your friends, ask your parents, cold call, get your foot in the door for an interview, and talk about the growth you\u2019re capable of.   For reference, I had a job prior to graduating my 5th year, and now I am running a department 5 years later. People with 4.0 gpa\u2019s often feel as they are entitled to a job. Don\u2019t let your gpa bring you down.","human_ref_B":"GPA means nothing when you get into the working world.  It doesn\u2019t define you, it\u2019s simply a number designed to reflect how well you managed in school - it is by no means perfect.  You are seriously selling your future employers short if you think that is what they will base everything on when it comes to hiring.  Is it a good thing, no, but it\u2019s not a deal breaker.  Don\u2019t dwell on it just offer a brief explanation and move on.  Do you think every single one of the people on the other end of that interview table graduated with a 4.0?  No way.    You\u2019re also selling yourself short, you got the degree, congrats!  The tone of your post sounds like you didn\u2019t and you\u2019ve already given up - you need to ditch that mentality.  Be proud and go for it if that\u2019s what you want.  I get it, I t\u2019s definitely easier to not try because of embarrassment or whatever it is, but I think owning your shortcomings will end up working more in your favor than you think. As long as you can demonstrate all the other qualities they are looking for you shouldn\u2019t worry too much.  Best of luck.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2098.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"bpgm51","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are alternative career paths for a recent engineering graduate who's effectively unhireable as an engineer? Hola, amigos!  I just graduated from a top ten university with a degree in Chemical Engineering. Sounds great, right? Well...I graduated with a 2.21 gpa (2.43 major). Zero internship experience. Spent most of my semesters on academic probation. Took 6.5 years to graduate.  To be blunt, I'm not hireable. No company in the world could look at my academic record and choose to give me a shot. I know that, and I recognize that engineering simply isn't an option for me at this point.  With that said, what *are* the options for someone like me? I don't want to work a minimum-wage job the rest of my life, like I have been full-time since graduating, and I have to believe it's possible to find some job somewhere that I could be qualified for. Or become qualified for.  What should someone in a situation like mine do?*  I appreciate any and all insight.  *I don't want to make this question specific to me, but rather broadly applicable to anyone whose undergraduate experience was, to put it mildly, an unmitigated disaster. I'm happy to answer questions about my specific situation, but I want to keep the situation generalizable for everyone.   **Addendum:** I don't want to portray myself as completely hopeless. Yes, my overall gpa is dire, but the context is that I \"earned\" a 1.42 gpa during my freshman year, and subsequently took two years off to take community college courses before returning. With the exception of a semester that proved to be almost a total loss (1.37 gpa and two D's; I should have dropped out of classes before the deadline), I earned a 2.44 gpa or higher in my other 5 semesters, and a 2.82 and 3.20 in my final two semesters, respectively (while working 20+ hours per week during both semesters). So it's not a complete wash. But it's very hard to be optimistic... I have a friend who enjoyed a full ride, earned a 3.95 gpa, and worked multiple internships...and he applied to 60 jobs, with only 2 interviews!","c_root_id_A":"ensvfd9","c_root_id_B":"ent84xw","created_at_utc_A":1558033978,"created_at_utc_B":1558038640,"score_A":9,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"You\u2019re not unemployable.","human_ref_B":"If took me 5.5 years, I think my gpa was 2.1. I am a hard working person, self motivated, easy to work with, and and communicate clearly. Not everything in a job is purely academic. There are qualities to a person that you cannon learn in school. Ask your friends, ask your parents, cold call, get your foot in the door for an interview, and talk about the growth you\u2019re capable of.   For reference, I had a job prior to graduating my 5th year, and now I am running a department 5 years later. People with 4.0 gpa\u2019s often feel as they are entitled to a job. Don\u2019t let your gpa bring you down.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4662.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"bpgm51","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are alternative career paths for a recent engineering graduate who's effectively unhireable as an engineer? Hola, amigos!  I just graduated from a top ten university with a degree in Chemical Engineering. Sounds great, right? Well...I graduated with a 2.21 gpa (2.43 major). Zero internship experience. Spent most of my semesters on academic probation. Took 6.5 years to graduate.  To be blunt, I'm not hireable. No company in the world could look at my academic record and choose to give me a shot. I know that, and I recognize that engineering simply isn't an option for me at this point.  With that said, what *are* the options for someone like me? I don't want to work a minimum-wage job the rest of my life, like I have been full-time since graduating, and I have to believe it's possible to find some job somewhere that I could be qualified for. Or become qualified for.  What should someone in a situation like mine do?*  I appreciate any and all insight.  *I don't want to make this question specific to me, but rather broadly applicable to anyone whose undergraduate experience was, to put it mildly, an unmitigated disaster. I'm happy to answer questions about my specific situation, but I want to keep the situation generalizable for everyone.   **Addendum:** I don't want to portray myself as completely hopeless. Yes, my overall gpa is dire, but the context is that I \"earned\" a 1.42 gpa during my freshman year, and subsequently took two years off to take community college courses before returning. With the exception of a semester that proved to be almost a total loss (1.37 gpa and two D's; I should have dropped out of classes before the deadline), I earned a 2.44 gpa or higher in my other 5 semesters, and a 2.82 and 3.20 in my final two semesters, respectively (while working 20+ hours per week during both semesters). So it's not a complete wash. But it's very hard to be optimistic... I have a friend who enjoyed a full ride, earned a 3.95 gpa, and worked multiple internships...and he applied to 60 jobs, with only 2 interviews!","c_root_id_A":"ent84xw","c_root_id_B":"ent1h8s","created_at_utc_A":1558038640,"created_at_utc_B":1558036161,"score_A":15,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"If took me 5.5 years, I think my gpa was 2.1. I am a hard working person, self motivated, easy to work with, and and communicate clearly. Not everything in a job is purely academic. There are qualities to a person that you cannon learn in school. Ask your friends, ask your parents, cold call, get your foot in the door for an interview, and talk about the growth you\u2019re capable of.   For reference, I had a job prior to graduating my 5th year, and now I am running a department 5 years later. People with 4.0 gpa\u2019s often feel as they are entitled to a job. Don\u2019t let your gpa bring you down.","human_ref_B":"Don't give up! I absolutely understand how you feel, I was in the same position and the years of relentless disappointment destroyed my self esteem.   I am a design engineer now. I love it. My boss and my colleagues love me.   I did pretty well at secondary school, and then did really well in my A-levels and thought I was hot shit. I had loved cars and machines for a long time, but had no idea what engineering was, I thought an engineer was someone who swang spanners. I happened to be browsing the triumph website one day and saw their \"careers\" link. I clicked through and saw a job advert for a power train engineer and I immediately knew that that was what I wanted to be. The problem was that to get into a good uni in the UK I needed a physics A-level, generally regarded as one of the toughest, and I was halfway through my A-levels. So I convinced my teachers to let me take the A-level in half the usual time so as to not delay my starting university and I got an A.   So I got into one of the top ten unis in the country to study an integrated masters in mechanical engineering. And I failed. I failed so hard that I was immediately kicked out of the university with no appeal.   So then I applied to a top 30 university to study an integrated masters in mechanical engineering, and they gave me second chance. So there I was in first year again and this time it was gonna be different! And it was, but I still failed 30% of my modules and had to come back in summer to resit them, which I did and scraped into second year.   So then I was in second year and shit went bad, in my personal life I had a horrible year that year, and I still wasn't a model student. I failed about half my modules. I got 2% in one exam. So I had to resit in summer, but this time I still failed 3 modules.   So I had to spend a whole extra year just enrolled on those 3 modules. I sat them and passed them. And I started to pull myself together, I brushed up on everything I had learnt so far and snuck into some 3rd year lectures to get a headstart.   So now I'm in 3rd year (having spend 4 years on 1st and 2nd year) and I finally get my shit together. I join the formula student team, I do well in my individual project, and I pass everything that year. I even pull my average up to a 2:2 and I actually get into my masters year!   I start my masters year, I have my shit together, but actually no I don't because life is a bitch (and I am immature) and I fail it.   So 6 years after first sitting in an engineering lecture I leave university with a 2:2 bachelors degree that should have taken 3 years, and I have no internship or work experience because I spend basically every summer doing resits. And in the UK, in theory anyway, a design engineer should have a masters degree. A masters degree is considered a requirement for a design engineer (in theory).   So I was pretty convinced I had no chance of getting an engineering job, but I really didn't want to be a barista for the rest of my life. What the fuck was I gonna do? Well I applied to design engineer jobs anyway, because I couldn't fucking bear losing that career for ever.   And I got one. Quite quickly too. At a small local company who probably didn't know that I really should have had a masters, and probably didn't realise they should have asked my I had only just graduated when I was 24.   And its great! The people are lovely. The work is interesting and varied and creative and it really is proper design engineering. I talk to my friends from uni, some of whom went to work for massive, prestigious companies, and they don't do much design at all. I use stuff I learnt in uni all the time, and my boss thinks its great. I get nothing but good reviews.   I'm not saying that it will definitely work out for you, maybe I got lucky, but I damn well know you have already paid the price for that degree, you might as keep pushing on with that same bloody-mindedness for at least another 6 months.  Apply to small companies, get feedback on your CV and applications, and put yourself out there. Feel free to message me and I will help out however I can.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2479.0,"score_ratio":2.1428571429}
{"post_id":"bpgm51","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are alternative career paths for a recent engineering graduate who's effectively unhireable as an engineer? Hola, amigos!  I just graduated from a top ten university with a degree in Chemical Engineering. Sounds great, right? Well...I graduated with a 2.21 gpa (2.43 major). Zero internship experience. Spent most of my semesters on academic probation. Took 6.5 years to graduate.  To be blunt, I'm not hireable. No company in the world could look at my academic record and choose to give me a shot. I know that, and I recognize that engineering simply isn't an option for me at this point.  With that said, what *are* the options for someone like me? I don't want to work a minimum-wage job the rest of my life, like I have been full-time since graduating, and I have to believe it's possible to find some job somewhere that I could be qualified for. Or become qualified for.  What should someone in a situation like mine do?*  I appreciate any and all insight.  *I don't want to make this question specific to me, but rather broadly applicable to anyone whose undergraduate experience was, to put it mildly, an unmitigated disaster. I'm happy to answer questions about my specific situation, but I want to keep the situation generalizable for everyone.   **Addendum:** I don't want to portray myself as completely hopeless. Yes, my overall gpa is dire, but the context is that I \"earned\" a 1.42 gpa during my freshman year, and subsequently took two years off to take community college courses before returning. With the exception of a semester that proved to be almost a total loss (1.37 gpa and two D's; I should have dropped out of classes before the deadline), I earned a 2.44 gpa or higher in my other 5 semesters, and a 2.82 and 3.20 in my final two semesters, respectively (while working 20+ hours per week during both semesters). So it's not a complete wash. But it's very hard to be optimistic... I have a friend who enjoyed a full ride, earned a 3.95 gpa, and worked multiple internships...and he applied to 60 jobs, with only 2 interviews!","c_root_id_A":"ent84xw","c_root_id_B":"ent51q3","created_at_utc_A":1558038640,"created_at_utc_B":1558037532,"score_A":15,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"If took me 5.5 years, I think my gpa was 2.1. I am a hard working person, self motivated, easy to work with, and and communicate clearly. Not everything in a job is purely academic. There are qualities to a person that you cannon learn in school. Ask your friends, ask your parents, cold call, get your foot in the door for an interview, and talk about the growth you\u2019re capable of.   For reference, I had a job prior to graduating my 5th year, and now I am running a department 5 years later. People with 4.0 gpa\u2019s often feel as they are entitled to a job. Don\u2019t let your gpa bring you down.","human_ref_B":"I don't think it is nearly that dire.  I graduated in a somewhat similar situation in 2010.  Now I am a P.E. working on really good projects in water treatment, aquaculture, and renewable energy.  I even did a brief hiatus from water treatment to work on a portion of the Navy\/Boeing F-18 Super Hornet program, and some projects for Rolls-Royce.  Currently, I am helping to build the largest and most ambitious sustainable fish farm in the Western Hemisphere.  Don't go straight for the Fortune 500 companies, they aren't all that they seem to be.  Get started with a small company, find a mentor, and build experience.  I have never had an employer ask my GPA, mostly because my technical skills speak for themselves.  Work on confidence in your interviews, and learn how to steer conversation away from academics, many interviewers at small firms will go there by default if you let them lead you there.  If you can turn the conversation to technical and industry topics, you may be able to avoid it completely.  On my resume, I just had my degrees and graduation dates, nothing else.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1108.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"bpgm51","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are alternative career paths for a recent engineering graduate who's effectively unhireable as an engineer? Hola, amigos!  I just graduated from a top ten university with a degree in Chemical Engineering. Sounds great, right? Well...I graduated with a 2.21 gpa (2.43 major). Zero internship experience. Spent most of my semesters on academic probation. Took 6.5 years to graduate.  To be blunt, I'm not hireable. No company in the world could look at my academic record and choose to give me a shot. I know that, and I recognize that engineering simply isn't an option for me at this point.  With that said, what *are* the options for someone like me? I don't want to work a minimum-wage job the rest of my life, like I have been full-time since graduating, and I have to believe it's possible to find some job somewhere that I could be qualified for. Or become qualified for.  What should someone in a situation like mine do?*  I appreciate any and all insight.  *I don't want to make this question specific to me, but rather broadly applicable to anyone whose undergraduate experience was, to put it mildly, an unmitigated disaster. I'm happy to answer questions about my specific situation, but I want to keep the situation generalizable for everyone.   **Addendum:** I don't want to portray myself as completely hopeless. Yes, my overall gpa is dire, but the context is that I \"earned\" a 1.42 gpa during my freshman year, and subsequently took two years off to take community college courses before returning. With the exception of a semester that proved to be almost a total loss (1.37 gpa and two D's; I should have dropped out of classes before the deadline), I earned a 2.44 gpa or higher in my other 5 semesters, and a 2.82 and 3.20 in my final two semesters, respectively (while working 20+ hours per week during both semesters). So it's not a complete wash. But it's very hard to be optimistic... I have a friend who enjoyed a full ride, earned a 3.95 gpa, and worked multiple internships...and he applied to 60 jobs, with only 2 interviews!","c_root_id_A":"ent84xw","c_root_id_B":"ensxghs","created_at_utc_A":1558038640,"created_at_utc_B":1558034703,"score_A":15,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"If took me 5.5 years, I think my gpa was 2.1. I am a hard working person, self motivated, easy to work with, and and communicate clearly. Not everything in a job is purely academic. There are qualities to a person that you cannon learn in school. Ask your friends, ask your parents, cold call, get your foot in the door for an interview, and talk about the growth you\u2019re capable of.   For reference, I had a job prior to graduating my 5th year, and now I am running a department 5 years later. People with 4.0 gpa\u2019s often feel as they are entitled to a job. Don\u2019t let your gpa bring you down.","human_ref_B":"I don't have a degree, so I'm not certain how important GPA is viewed when hiring.  I will say that the one time I saw it on a resume (3.99) I mentioned it to my employer and he said the guy seemed a bit pretentious.  That said, I'm in a different field (Structural), and the same employer generally refused to hire people with Masters level or better educations.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3937.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"bpgm51","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are alternative career paths for a recent engineering graduate who's effectively unhireable as an engineer? Hola, amigos!  I just graduated from a top ten university with a degree in Chemical Engineering. Sounds great, right? Well...I graduated with a 2.21 gpa (2.43 major). Zero internship experience. Spent most of my semesters on academic probation. Took 6.5 years to graduate.  To be blunt, I'm not hireable. No company in the world could look at my academic record and choose to give me a shot. I know that, and I recognize that engineering simply isn't an option for me at this point.  With that said, what *are* the options for someone like me? I don't want to work a minimum-wage job the rest of my life, like I have been full-time since graduating, and I have to believe it's possible to find some job somewhere that I could be qualified for. Or become qualified for.  What should someone in a situation like mine do?*  I appreciate any and all insight.  *I don't want to make this question specific to me, but rather broadly applicable to anyone whose undergraduate experience was, to put it mildly, an unmitigated disaster. I'm happy to answer questions about my specific situation, but I want to keep the situation generalizable for everyone.   **Addendum:** I don't want to portray myself as completely hopeless. Yes, my overall gpa is dire, but the context is that I \"earned\" a 1.42 gpa during my freshman year, and subsequently took two years off to take community college courses before returning. With the exception of a semester that proved to be almost a total loss (1.37 gpa and two D's; I should have dropped out of classes before the deadline), I earned a 2.44 gpa or higher in my other 5 semesters, and a 2.82 and 3.20 in my final two semesters, respectively (while working 20+ hours per week during both semesters). So it's not a complete wash. But it's very hard to be optimistic... I have a friend who enjoyed a full ride, earned a 3.95 gpa, and worked multiple internships...and he applied to 60 jobs, with only 2 interviews!","c_root_id_A":"ensvfd9","c_root_id_B":"ent2hax","created_at_utc_A":1558033978,"created_at_utc_B":1558036542,"score_A":9,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"You\u2019re not unemployable.","human_ref_B":"GPA means nothing when you get into the working world.  It doesn\u2019t define you, it\u2019s simply a number designed to reflect how well you managed in school - it is by no means perfect.  You are seriously selling your future employers short if you think that is what they will base everything on when it comes to hiring.  Is it a good thing, no, but it\u2019s not a deal breaker.  Don\u2019t dwell on it just offer a brief explanation and move on.  Do you think every single one of the people on the other end of that interview table graduated with a 4.0?  No way.    You\u2019re also selling yourself short, you got the degree, congrats!  The tone of your post sounds like you didn\u2019t and you\u2019ve already given up - you need to ditch that mentality.  Be proud and go for it if that\u2019s what you want.  I get it, I t\u2019s definitely easier to not try because of embarrassment or whatever it is, but I think owning your shortcomings will end up working more in your favor than you think. As long as you can demonstrate all the other qualities they are looking for you shouldn\u2019t worry too much.  Best of luck.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2564.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"bpgm51","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are alternative career paths for a recent engineering graduate who's effectively unhireable as an engineer? Hola, amigos!  I just graduated from a top ten university with a degree in Chemical Engineering. Sounds great, right? Well...I graduated with a 2.21 gpa (2.43 major). Zero internship experience. Spent most of my semesters on academic probation. Took 6.5 years to graduate.  To be blunt, I'm not hireable. No company in the world could look at my academic record and choose to give me a shot. I know that, and I recognize that engineering simply isn't an option for me at this point.  With that said, what *are* the options for someone like me? I don't want to work a minimum-wage job the rest of my life, like I have been full-time since graduating, and I have to believe it's possible to find some job somewhere that I could be qualified for. Or become qualified for.  What should someone in a situation like mine do?*  I appreciate any and all insight.  *I don't want to make this question specific to me, but rather broadly applicable to anyone whose undergraduate experience was, to put it mildly, an unmitigated disaster. I'm happy to answer questions about my specific situation, but I want to keep the situation generalizable for everyone.   **Addendum:** I don't want to portray myself as completely hopeless. Yes, my overall gpa is dire, but the context is that I \"earned\" a 1.42 gpa during my freshman year, and subsequently took two years off to take community college courses before returning. With the exception of a semester that proved to be almost a total loss (1.37 gpa and two D's; I should have dropped out of classes before the deadline), I earned a 2.44 gpa or higher in my other 5 semesters, and a 2.82 and 3.20 in my final two semesters, respectively (while working 20+ hours per week during both semesters). So it's not a complete wash. But it's very hard to be optimistic... I have a friend who enjoyed a full ride, earned a 3.95 gpa, and worked multiple internships...and he applied to 60 jobs, with only 2 interviews!","c_root_id_A":"ent2hax","c_root_id_B":"ent1h8s","created_at_utc_A":1558036542,"created_at_utc_B":1558036161,"score_A":12,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"GPA means nothing when you get into the working world.  It doesn\u2019t define you, it\u2019s simply a number designed to reflect how well you managed in school - it is by no means perfect.  You are seriously selling your future employers short if you think that is what they will base everything on when it comes to hiring.  Is it a good thing, no, but it\u2019s not a deal breaker.  Don\u2019t dwell on it just offer a brief explanation and move on.  Do you think every single one of the people on the other end of that interview table graduated with a 4.0?  No way.    You\u2019re also selling yourself short, you got the degree, congrats!  The tone of your post sounds like you didn\u2019t and you\u2019ve already given up - you need to ditch that mentality.  Be proud and go for it if that\u2019s what you want.  I get it, I t\u2019s definitely easier to not try because of embarrassment or whatever it is, but I think owning your shortcomings will end up working more in your favor than you think. As long as you can demonstrate all the other qualities they are looking for you shouldn\u2019t worry too much.  Best of luck.","human_ref_B":"Don't give up! I absolutely understand how you feel, I was in the same position and the years of relentless disappointment destroyed my self esteem.   I am a design engineer now. I love it. My boss and my colleagues love me.   I did pretty well at secondary school, and then did really well in my A-levels and thought I was hot shit. I had loved cars and machines for a long time, but had no idea what engineering was, I thought an engineer was someone who swang spanners. I happened to be browsing the triumph website one day and saw their \"careers\" link. I clicked through and saw a job advert for a power train engineer and I immediately knew that that was what I wanted to be. The problem was that to get into a good uni in the UK I needed a physics A-level, generally regarded as one of the toughest, and I was halfway through my A-levels. So I convinced my teachers to let me take the A-level in half the usual time so as to not delay my starting university and I got an A.   So I got into one of the top ten unis in the country to study an integrated masters in mechanical engineering. And I failed. I failed so hard that I was immediately kicked out of the university with no appeal.   So then I applied to a top 30 university to study an integrated masters in mechanical engineering, and they gave me second chance. So there I was in first year again and this time it was gonna be different! And it was, but I still failed 30% of my modules and had to come back in summer to resit them, which I did and scraped into second year.   So then I was in second year and shit went bad, in my personal life I had a horrible year that year, and I still wasn't a model student. I failed about half my modules. I got 2% in one exam. So I had to resit in summer, but this time I still failed 3 modules.   So I had to spend a whole extra year just enrolled on those 3 modules. I sat them and passed them. And I started to pull myself together, I brushed up on everything I had learnt so far and snuck into some 3rd year lectures to get a headstart.   So now I'm in 3rd year (having spend 4 years on 1st and 2nd year) and I finally get my shit together. I join the formula student team, I do well in my individual project, and I pass everything that year. I even pull my average up to a 2:2 and I actually get into my masters year!   I start my masters year, I have my shit together, but actually no I don't because life is a bitch (and I am immature) and I fail it.   So 6 years after first sitting in an engineering lecture I leave university with a 2:2 bachelors degree that should have taken 3 years, and I have no internship or work experience because I spend basically every summer doing resits. And in the UK, in theory anyway, a design engineer should have a masters degree. A masters degree is considered a requirement for a design engineer (in theory).   So I was pretty convinced I had no chance of getting an engineering job, but I really didn't want to be a barista for the rest of my life. What the fuck was I gonna do? Well I applied to design engineer jobs anyway, because I couldn't fucking bear losing that career for ever.   And I got one. Quite quickly too. At a small local company who probably didn't know that I really should have had a masters, and probably didn't realise they should have asked my I had only just graduated when I was 24.   And its great! The people are lovely. The work is interesting and varied and creative and it really is proper design engineering. I talk to my friends from uni, some of whom went to work for massive, prestigious companies, and they don't do much design at all. I use stuff I learnt in uni all the time, and my boss thinks its great. I get nothing but good reviews.   I'm not saying that it will definitely work out for you, maybe I got lucky, but I damn well know you have already paid the price for that degree, you might as keep pushing on with that same bloody-mindedness for at least another 6 months.  Apply to small companies, get feedback on your CV and applications, and put yourself out there. Feel free to message me and I will help out however I can.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":381.0,"score_ratio":1.7142857143}
{"post_id":"bpgm51","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are alternative career paths for a recent engineering graduate who's effectively unhireable as an engineer? Hola, amigos!  I just graduated from a top ten university with a degree in Chemical Engineering. Sounds great, right? Well...I graduated with a 2.21 gpa (2.43 major). Zero internship experience. Spent most of my semesters on academic probation. Took 6.5 years to graduate.  To be blunt, I'm not hireable. No company in the world could look at my academic record and choose to give me a shot. I know that, and I recognize that engineering simply isn't an option for me at this point.  With that said, what *are* the options for someone like me? I don't want to work a minimum-wage job the rest of my life, like I have been full-time since graduating, and I have to believe it's possible to find some job somewhere that I could be qualified for. Or become qualified for.  What should someone in a situation like mine do?*  I appreciate any and all insight.  *I don't want to make this question specific to me, but rather broadly applicable to anyone whose undergraduate experience was, to put it mildly, an unmitigated disaster. I'm happy to answer questions about my specific situation, but I want to keep the situation generalizable for everyone.   **Addendum:** I don't want to portray myself as completely hopeless. Yes, my overall gpa is dire, but the context is that I \"earned\" a 1.42 gpa during my freshman year, and subsequently took two years off to take community college courses before returning. With the exception of a semester that proved to be almost a total loss (1.37 gpa and two D's; I should have dropped out of classes before the deadline), I earned a 2.44 gpa or higher in my other 5 semesters, and a 2.82 and 3.20 in my final two semesters, respectively (while working 20+ hours per week during both semesters). So it's not a complete wash. But it's very hard to be optimistic... I have a friend who enjoyed a full ride, earned a 3.95 gpa, and worked multiple internships...and he applied to 60 jobs, with only 2 interviews!","c_root_id_A":"ensxghs","c_root_id_B":"ent2hax","created_at_utc_A":1558034703,"created_at_utc_B":1558036542,"score_A":5,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"I don't have a degree, so I'm not certain how important GPA is viewed when hiring.  I will say that the one time I saw it on a resume (3.99) I mentioned it to my employer and he said the guy seemed a bit pretentious.  That said, I'm in a different field (Structural), and the same employer generally refused to hire people with Masters level or better educations.","human_ref_B":"GPA means nothing when you get into the working world.  It doesn\u2019t define you, it\u2019s simply a number designed to reflect how well you managed in school - it is by no means perfect.  You are seriously selling your future employers short if you think that is what they will base everything on when it comes to hiring.  Is it a good thing, no, but it\u2019s not a deal breaker.  Don\u2019t dwell on it just offer a brief explanation and move on.  Do you think every single one of the people on the other end of that interview table graduated with a 4.0?  No way.    You\u2019re also selling yourself short, you got the degree, congrats!  The tone of your post sounds like you didn\u2019t and you\u2019ve already given up - you need to ditch that mentality.  Be proud and go for it if that\u2019s what you want.  I get it, I t\u2019s definitely easier to not try because of embarrassment or whatever it is, but I think owning your shortcomings will end up working more in your favor than you think. As long as you can demonstrate all the other qualities they are looking for you shouldn\u2019t worry too much.  Best of luck.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1839.0,"score_ratio":2.4}
{"post_id":"bpgm51","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are alternative career paths for a recent engineering graduate who's effectively unhireable as an engineer? Hola, amigos!  I just graduated from a top ten university with a degree in Chemical Engineering. Sounds great, right? Well...I graduated with a 2.21 gpa (2.43 major). Zero internship experience. Spent most of my semesters on academic probation. Took 6.5 years to graduate.  To be blunt, I'm not hireable. No company in the world could look at my academic record and choose to give me a shot. I know that, and I recognize that engineering simply isn't an option for me at this point.  With that said, what *are* the options for someone like me? I don't want to work a minimum-wage job the rest of my life, like I have been full-time since graduating, and I have to believe it's possible to find some job somewhere that I could be qualified for. Or become qualified for.  What should someone in a situation like mine do?*  I appreciate any and all insight.  *I don't want to make this question specific to me, but rather broadly applicable to anyone whose undergraduate experience was, to put it mildly, an unmitigated disaster. I'm happy to answer questions about my specific situation, but I want to keep the situation generalizable for everyone.   **Addendum:** I don't want to portray myself as completely hopeless. Yes, my overall gpa is dire, but the context is that I \"earned\" a 1.42 gpa during my freshman year, and subsequently took two years off to take community college courses before returning. With the exception of a semester that proved to be almost a total loss (1.37 gpa and two D's; I should have dropped out of classes before the deadline), I earned a 2.44 gpa or higher in my other 5 semesters, and a 2.82 and 3.20 in my final two semesters, respectively (while working 20+ hours per week during both semesters). So it's not a complete wash. But it's very hard to be optimistic... I have a friend who enjoyed a full ride, earned a 3.95 gpa, and worked multiple internships...and he applied to 60 jobs, with only 2 interviews!","c_root_id_A":"ent1h8s","c_root_id_B":"ensxghs","created_at_utc_A":1558036161,"created_at_utc_B":1558034703,"score_A":7,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Don't give up! I absolutely understand how you feel, I was in the same position and the years of relentless disappointment destroyed my self esteem.   I am a design engineer now. I love it. My boss and my colleagues love me.   I did pretty well at secondary school, and then did really well in my A-levels and thought I was hot shit. I had loved cars and machines for a long time, but had no idea what engineering was, I thought an engineer was someone who swang spanners. I happened to be browsing the triumph website one day and saw their \"careers\" link. I clicked through and saw a job advert for a power train engineer and I immediately knew that that was what I wanted to be. The problem was that to get into a good uni in the UK I needed a physics A-level, generally regarded as one of the toughest, and I was halfway through my A-levels. So I convinced my teachers to let me take the A-level in half the usual time so as to not delay my starting university and I got an A.   So I got into one of the top ten unis in the country to study an integrated masters in mechanical engineering. And I failed. I failed so hard that I was immediately kicked out of the university with no appeal.   So then I applied to a top 30 university to study an integrated masters in mechanical engineering, and they gave me second chance. So there I was in first year again and this time it was gonna be different! And it was, but I still failed 30% of my modules and had to come back in summer to resit them, which I did and scraped into second year.   So then I was in second year and shit went bad, in my personal life I had a horrible year that year, and I still wasn't a model student. I failed about half my modules. I got 2% in one exam. So I had to resit in summer, but this time I still failed 3 modules.   So I had to spend a whole extra year just enrolled on those 3 modules. I sat them and passed them. And I started to pull myself together, I brushed up on everything I had learnt so far and snuck into some 3rd year lectures to get a headstart.   So now I'm in 3rd year (having spend 4 years on 1st and 2nd year) and I finally get my shit together. I join the formula student team, I do well in my individual project, and I pass everything that year. I even pull my average up to a 2:2 and I actually get into my masters year!   I start my masters year, I have my shit together, but actually no I don't because life is a bitch (and I am immature) and I fail it.   So 6 years after first sitting in an engineering lecture I leave university with a 2:2 bachelors degree that should have taken 3 years, and I have no internship or work experience because I spend basically every summer doing resits. And in the UK, in theory anyway, a design engineer should have a masters degree. A masters degree is considered a requirement for a design engineer (in theory).   So I was pretty convinced I had no chance of getting an engineering job, but I really didn't want to be a barista for the rest of my life. What the fuck was I gonna do? Well I applied to design engineer jobs anyway, because I couldn't fucking bear losing that career for ever.   And I got one. Quite quickly too. At a small local company who probably didn't know that I really should have had a masters, and probably didn't realise they should have asked my I had only just graduated when I was 24.   And its great! The people are lovely. The work is interesting and varied and creative and it really is proper design engineering. I talk to my friends from uni, some of whom went to work for massive, prestigious companies, and they don't do much design at all. I use stuff I learnt in uni all the time, and my boss thinks its great. I get nothing but good reviews.   I'm not saying that it will definitely work out for you, maybe I got lucky, but I damn well know you have already paid the price for that degree, you might as keep pushing on with that same bloody-mindedness for at least another 6 months.  Apply to small companies, get feedback on your CV and applications, and put yourself out there. Feel free to message me and I will help out however I can.","human_ref_B":"I don't have a degree, so I'm not certain how important GPA is viewed when hiring.  I will say that the one time I saw it on a resume (3.99) I mentioned it to my employer and he said the guy seemed a bit pretentious.  That said, I'm in a different field (Structural), and the same employer generally refused to hire people with Masters level or better educations.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1458.0,"score_ratio":1.4}
{"post_id":"bpgm51","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are alternative career paths for a recent engineering graduate who's effectively unhireable as an engineer? Hola, amigos!  I just graduated from a top ten university with a degree in Chemical Engineering. Sounds great, right? Well...I graduated with a 2.21 gpa (2.43 major). Zero internship experience. Spent most of my semesters on academic probation. Took 6.5 years to graduate.  To be blunt, I'm not hireable. No company in the world could look at my academic record and choose to give me a shot. I know that, and I recognize that engineering simply isn't an option for me at this point.  With that said, what *are* the options for someone like me? I don't want to work a minimum-wage job the rest of my life, like I have been full-time since graduating, and I have to believe it's possible to find some job somewhere that I could be qualified for. Or become qualified for.  What should someone in a situation like mine do?*  I appreciate any and all insight.  *I don't want to make this question specific to me, but rather broadly applicable to anyone whose undergraduate experience was, to put it mildly, an unmitigated disaster. I'm happy to answer questions about my specific situation, but I want to keep the situation generalizable for everyone.   **Addendum:** I don't want to portray myself as completely hopeless. Yes, my overall gpa is dire, but the context is that I \"earned\" a 1.42 gpa during my freshman year, and subsequently took two years off to take community college courses before returning. With the exception of a semester that proved to be almost a total loss (1.37 gpa and two D's; I should have dropped out of classes before the deadline), I earned a 2.44 gpa or higher in my other 5 semesters, and a 2.82 and 3.20 in my final two semesters, respectively (while working 20+ hours per week during both semesters). So it's not a complete wash. But it's very hard to be optimistic... I have a friend who enjoyed a full ride, earned a 3.95 gpa, and worked multiple internships...and he applied to 60 jobs, with only 2 interviews!","c_root_id_A":"enu3gw5","c_root_id_B":"ent51q3","created_at_utc_A":1558051575,"created_at_utc_B":1558037532,"score_A":6,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Don't lose hope. I was in a similar situation only a year ago. Took 6 years to graduate, no internships, similar gpa, was still working my college weekend job. Very bumpy ride and it killed my confidence.  I knew I needed to just find something technical where I could build confidence. Started walking into machine shops asking if they had any opportunities for someone with a mech e degree to jump in. I was lucky, the fifth guy related to me and let me work as an intern at his small shop. Learned as much as I could in 4 months about the machines and machinists he had. I eventually went to a temp agency to find something related to manufacturing (could have been anything that got me around people doing engineering type work) where I could just get my foot in the door and prove myself as an engaged worker and an asset. I started working as an assembler and learned as much as I could about the processes i was involved with. I tried to be personable and went out of my way to help the people I worked with. Fortunately, my boss liked me and his boss alerted me to an upcoming manufacturing engineer position being made. During my interview, I was honest about my failures in school but I highlighted my response and all the things I've learned since.  I think they hired me because they knew my face and my work ethic already and I had an engineering degree. Now I'm back into the swing of progressing as a titled engineer and my company will pay for things like more school and certifications. Your not unhirable. You just need to do make some moves to get traction. The whole point of engineering is to analyze, understand and solve problems so apply that to yourself and do some self reflection to figure out what went wrong and why. Make some lateral moves to get experience then sell your decisions as career investments. Good luck.","human_ref_B":"I don't think it is nearly that dire.  I graduated in a somewhat similar situation in 2010.  Now I am a P.E. working on really good projects in water treatment, aquaculture, and renewable energy.  I even did a brief hiatus from water treatment to work on a portion of the Navy\/Boeing F-18 Super Hornet program, and some projects for Rolls-Royce.  Currently, I am helping to build the largest and most ambitious sustainable fish farm in the Western Hemisphere.  Don't go straight for the Fortune 500 companies, they aren't all that they seem to be.  Get started with a small company, find a mentor, and build experience.  I have never had an employer ask my GPA, mostly because my technical skills speak for themselves.  Work on confidence in your interviews, and learn how to steer conversation away from academics, many interviewers at small firms will go there by default if you let them lead you there.  If you can turn the conversation to technical and industry topics, you may be able to avoid it completely.  On my resume, I just had my degrees and graduation dates, nothing else.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":14043.0,"score_ratio":1.2}
{"post_id":"bpgm51","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are alternative career paths for a recent engineering graduate who's effectively unhireable as an engineer? Hola, amigos!  I just graduated from a top ten university with a degree in Chemical Engineering. Sounds great, right? Well...I graduated with a 2.21 gpa (2.43 major). Zero internship experience. Spent most of my semesters on academic probation. Took 6.5 years to graduate.  To be blunt, I'm not hireable. No company in the world could look at my academic record and choose to give me a shot. I know that, and I recognize that engineering simply isn't an option for me at this point.  With that said, what *are* the options for someone like me? I don't want to work a minimum-wage job the rest of my life, like I have been full-time since graduating, and I have to believe it's possible to find some job somewhere that I could be qualified for. Or become qualified for.  What should someone in a situation like mine do?*  I appreciate any and all insight.  *I don't want to make this question specific to me, but rather broadly applicable to anyone whose undergraduate experience was, to put it mildly, an unmitigated disaster. I'm happy to answer questions about my specific situation, but I want to keep the situation generalizable for everyone.   **Addendum:** I don't want to portray myself as completely hopeless. Yes, my overall gpa is dire, but the context is that I \"earned\" a 1.42 gpa during my freshman year, and subsequently took two years off to take community college courses before returning. With the exception of a semester that proved to be almost a total loss (1.37 gpa and two D's; I should have dropped out of classes before the deadline), I earned a 2.44 gpa or higher in my other 5 semesters, and a 2.82 and 3.20 in my final two semesters, respectively (while working 20+ hours per week during both semesters). So it's not a complete wash. But it's very hard to be optimistic... I have a friend who enjoyed a full ride, earned a 3.95 gpa, and worked multiple internships...and he applied to 60 jobs, with only 2 interviews!","c_root_id_A":"enu3gw5","c_root_id_B":"ensxghs","created_at_utc_A":1558051575,"created_at_utc_B":1558034703,"score_A":6,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Don't lose hope. I was in a similar situation only a year ago. Took 6 years to graduate, no internships, similar gpa, was still working my college weekend job. Very bumpy ride and it killed my confidence.  I knew I needed to just find something technical where I could build confidence. Started walking into machine shops asking if they had any opportunities for someone with a mech e degree to jump in. I was lucky, the fifth guy related to me and let me work as an intern at his small shop. Learned as much as I could in 4 months about the machines and machinists he had. I eventually went to a temp agency to find something related to manufacturing (could have been anything that got me around people doing engineering type work) where I could just get my foot in the door and prove myself as an engaged worker and an asset. I started working as an assembler and learned as much as I could about the processes i was involved with. I tried to be personable and went out of my way to help the people I worked with. Fortunately, my boss liked me and his boss alerted me to an upcoming manufacturing engineer position being made. During my interview, I was honest about my failures in school but I highlighted my response and all the things I've learned since.  I think they hired me because they knew my face and my work ethic already and I had an engineering degree. Now I'm back into the swing of progressing as a titled engineer and my company will pay for things like more school and certifications. Your not unhirable. You just need to do make some moves to get traction. The whole point of engineering is to analyze, understand and solve problems so apply that to yourself and do some self reflection to figure out what went wrong and why. Make some lateral moves to get experience then sell your decisions as career investments. Good luck.","human_ref_B":"I don't have a degree, so I'm not certain how important GPA is viewed when hiring.  I will say that the one time I saw it on a resume (3.99) I mentioned it to my employer and he said the guy seemed a bit pretentious.  That said, I'm in a different field (Structural), and the same employer generally refused to hire people with Masters level or better educations.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":16872.0,"score_ratio":1.2}
{"post_id":"bpgm51","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are alternative career paths for a recent engineering graduate who's effectively unhireable as an engineer? Hola, amigos!  I just graduated from a top ten university with a degree in Chemical Engineering. Sounds great, right? Well...I graduated with a 2.21 gpa (2.43 major). Zero internship experience. Spent most of my semesters on academic probation. Took 6.5 years to graduate.  To be blunt, I'm not hireable. No company in the world could look at my academic record and choose to give me a shot. I know that, and I recognize that engineering simply isn't an option for me at this point.  With that said, what *are* the options for someone like me? I don't want to work a minimum-wage job the rest of my life, like I have been full-time since graduating, and I have to believe it's possible to find some job somewhere that I could be qualified for. Or become qualified for.  What should someone in a situation like mine do?*  I appreciate any and all insight.  *I don't want to make this question specific to me, but rather broadly applicable to anyone whose undergraduate experience was, to put it mildly, an unmitigated disaster. I'm happy to answer questions about my specific situation, but I want to keep the situation generalizable for everyone.   **Addendum:** I don't want to portray myself as completely hopeless. Yes, my overall gpa is dire, but the context is that I \"earned\" a 1.42 gpa during my freshman year, and subsequently took two years off to take community college courses before returning. With the exception of a semester that proved to be almost a total loss (1.37 gpa and two D's; I should have dropped out of classes before the deadline), I earned a 2.44 gpa or higher in my other 5 semesters, and a 2.82 and 3.20 in my final two semesters, respectively (while working 20+ hours per week during both semesters). So it's not a complete wash. But it's very hard to be optimistic... I have a friend who enjoyed a full ride, earned a 3.95 gpa, and worked multiple internships...and he applied to 60 jobs, with only 2 interviews!","c_root_id_A":"entd7cq","c_root_id_B":"enu3gw5","created_at_utc_A":1558040478,"created_at_utc_B":1558051575,"score_A":3,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Just leave it off the resume. Id say continue applying to all the engineering jobs you want. Be aware they will SOMETIMES ask to which you tell them straight up the number. You can then tell them how you brought it back. The job I have now never even asked my gpa despite me being a recent graduate with my bachelors. My company does not ask about gpa cause who cares. I would not sell yourself short but know the gpa will cause the job search to be a bit longer.","human_ref_B":"Don't lose hope. I was in a similar situation only a year ago. Took 6 years to graduate, no internships, similar gpa, was still working my college weekend job. Very bumpy ride and it killed my confidence.  I knew I needed to just find something technical where I could build confidence. Started walking into machine shops asking if they had any opportunities for someone with a mech e degree to jump in. I was lucky, the fifth guy related to me and let me work as an intern at his small shop. Learned as much as I could in 4 months about the machines and machinists he had. I eventually went to a temp agency to find something related to manufacturing (could have been anything that got me around people doing engineering type work) where I could just get my foot in the door and prove myself as an engaged worker and an asset. I started working as an assembler and learned as much as I could about the processes i was involved with. I tried to be personable and went out of my way to help the people I worked with. Fortunately, my boss liked me and his boss alerted me to an upcoming manufacturing engineer position being made. During my interview, I was honest about my failures in school but I highlighted my response and all the things I've learned since.  I think they hired me because they knew my face and my work ethic already and I had an engineering degree. Now I'm back into the swing of progressing as a titled engineer and my company will pay for things like more school and certifications. Your not unhirable. You just need to do make some moves to get traction. The whole point of engineering is to analyze, understand and solve problems so apply that to yourself and do some self reflection to figure out what went wrong and why. Make some lateral moves to get experience then sell your decisions as career investments. Good luck.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11097.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"bpgm51","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are alternative career paths for a recent engineering graduate who's effectively unhireable as an engineer? Hola, amigos!  I just graduated from a top ten university with a degree in Chemical Engineering. Sounds great, right? Well...I graduated with a 2.21 gpa (2.43 major). Zero internship experience. Spent most of my semesters on academic probation. Took 6.5 years to graduate.  To be blunt, I'm not hireable. No company in the world could look at my academic record and choose to give me a shot. I know that, and I recognize that engineering simply isn't an option for me at this point.  With that said, what *are* the options for someone like me? I don't want to work a minimum-wage job the rest of my life, like I have been full-time since graduating, and I have to believe it's possible to find some job somewhere that I could be qualified for. Or become qualified for.  What should someone in a situation like mine do?*  I appreciate any and all insight.  *I don't want to make this question specific to me, but rather broadly applicable to anyone whose undergraduate experience was, to put it mildly, an unmitigated disaster. I'm happy to answer questions about my specific situation, but I want to keep the situation generalizable for everyone.   **Addendum:** I don't want to portray myself as completely hopeless. Yes, my overall gpa is dire, but the context is that I \"earned\" a 1.42 gpa during my freshman year, and subsequently took two years off to take community college courses before returning. With the exception of a semester that proved to be almost a total loss (1.37 gpa and two D's; I should have dropped out of classes before the deadline), I earned a 2.44 gpa or higher in my other 5 semesters, and a 2.82 and 3.20 in my final two semesters, respectively (while working 20+ hours per week during both semesters). So it's not a complete wash. But it's very hard to be optimistic... I have a friend who enjoyed a full ride, earned a 3.95 gpa, and worked multiple internships...and he applied to 60 jobs, with only 2 interviews!","c_root_id_A":"entkpf3","c_root_id_B":"enu3gw5","created_at_utc_A":1558043419,"created_at_utc_B":1558051575,"score_A":3,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"I didn't graduate and got a job as a project engineer in construction very solid pay. I was able to move on from that into another project engineer role at a AEC company working for an expert witness. I make a very solid living in a high cost of living metro area.    jobs are out there but you wont get one if you tell yourself (or god forbid other people) you're \"unhireable\"","human_ref_B":"Don't lose hope. I was in a similar situation only a year ago. Took 6 years to graduate, no internships, similar gpa, was still working my college weekend job. Very bumpy ride and it killed my confidence.  I knew I needed to just find something technical where I could build confidence. Started walking into machine shops asking if they had any opportunities for someone with a mech e degree to jump in. I was lucky, the fifth guy related to me and let me work as an intern at his small shop. Learned as much as I could in 4 months about the machines and machinists he had. I eventually went to a temp agency to find something related to manufacturing (could have been anything that got me around people doing engineering type work) where I could just get my foot in the door and prove myself as an engaged worker and an asset. I started working as an assembler and learned as much as I could about the processes i was involved with. I tried to be personable and went out of my way to help the people I worked with. Fortunately, my boss liked me and his boss alerted me to an upcoming manufacturing engineer position being made. During my interview, I was honest about my failures in school but I highlighted my response and all the things I've learned since.  I think they hired me because they knew my face and my work ethic already and I had an engineering degree. Now I'm back into the swing of progressing as a titled engineer and my company will pay for things like more school and certifications. Your not unhirable. You just need to do make some moves to get traction. The whole point of engineering is to analyze, understand and solve problems so apply that to yourself and do some self reflection to figure out what went wrong and why. Make some lateral moves to get experience then sell your decisions as career investments. Good luck.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8156.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"bpgm51","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are alternative career paths for a recent engineering graduate who's effectively unhireable as an engineer? Hola, amigos!  I just graduated from a top ten university with a degree in Chemical Engineering. Sounds great, right? Well...I graduated with a 2.21 gpa (2.43 major). Zero internship experience. Spent most of my semesters on academic probation. Took 6.5 years to graduate.  To be blunt, I'm not hireable. No company in the world could look at my academic record and choose to give me a shot. I know that, and I recognize that engineering simply isn't an option for me at this point.  With that said, what *are* the options for someone like me? I don't want to work a minimum-wage job the rest of my life, like I have been full-time since graduating, and I have to believe it's possible to find some job somewhere that I could be qualified for. Or become qualified for.  What should someone in a situation like mine do?*  I appreciate any and all insight.  *I don't want to make this question specific to me, but rather broadly applicable to anyone whose undergraduate experience was, to put it mildly, an unmitigated disaster. I'm happy to answer questions about my specific situation, but I want to keep the situation generalizable for everyone.   **Addendum:** I don't want to portray myself as completely hopeless. Yes, my overall gpa is dire, but the context is that I \"earned\" a 1.42 gpa during my freshman year, and subsequently took two years off to take community college courses before returning. With the exception of a semester that proved to be almost a total loss (1.37 gpa and two D's; I should have dropped out of classes before the deadline), I earned a 2.44 gpa or higher in my other 5 semesters, and a 2.82 and 3.20 in my final two semesters, respectively (while working 20+ hours per week during both semesters). So it's not a complete wash. But it's very hard to be optimistic... I have a friend who enjoyed a full ride, earned a 3.95 gpa, and worked multiple internships...and he applied to 60 jobs, with only 2 interviews!","c_root_id_A":"entmk4v","c_root_id_B":"enu3gw5","created_at_utc_A":1558044223,"created_at_utc_B":1558051575,"score_A":3,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"I graduated with a similar GPA and a degree in industrial design, with a concentration in furniture design. Basically I have a degree in chairs. That was ten years ago. Now I'm a senior engineer for a $70b aerospace company. I have a great job and it happened because I took a job as an engineering designer right out of school at a baby aero firm and absorbed everything like a sponge for 7 years. Make sure your resume is good and practice interviewing so you interview well. Apply for things you'd never accept for the interview practice. Don't put the GPA on the resume and nobody will ask. If they ask why you took so long to finish, tell them you had to move home for a while for family or something. Trust me, performance in school does not equate to performance in a career.","human_ref_B":"Don't lose hope. I was in a similar situation only a year ago. Took 6 years to graduate, no internships, similar gpa, was still working my college weekend job. Very bumpy ride and it killed my confidence.  I knew I needed to just find something technical where I could build confidence. Started walking into machine shops asking if they had any opportunities for someone with a mech e degree to jump in. I was lucky, the fifth guy related to me and let me work as an intern at his small shop. Learned as much as I could in 4 months about the machines and machinists he had. I eventually went to a temp agency to find something related to manufacturing (could have been anything that got me around people doing engineering type work) where I could just get my foot in the door and prove myself as an engaged worker and an asset. I started working as an assembler and learned as much as I could about the processes i was involved with. I tried to be personable and went out of my way to help the people I worked with. Fortunately, my boss liked me and his boss alerted me to an upcoming manufacturing engineer position being made. During my interview, I was honest about my failures in school but I highlighted my response and all the things I've learned since.  I think they hired me because they knew my face and my work ethic already and I had an engineering degree. Now I'm back into the swing of progressing as a titled engineer and my company will pay for things like more school and certifications. Your not unhirable. You just need to do make some moves to get traction. The whole point of engineering is to analyze, understand and solve problems so apply that to yourself and do some self reflection to figure out what went wrong and why. Make some lateral moves to get experience then sell your decisions as career investments. Good luck.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7352.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"bpgm51","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are alternative career paths for a recent engineering graduate who's effectively unhireable as an engineer? Hola, amigos!  I just graduated from a top ten university with a degree in Chemical Engineering. Sounds great, right? Well...I graduated with a 2.21 gpa (2.43 major). Zero internship experience. Spent most of my semesters on academic probation. Took 6.5 years to graduate.  To be blunt, I'm not hireable. No company in the world could look at my academic record and choose to give me a shot. I know that, and I recognize that engineering simply isn't an option for me at this point.  With that said, what *are* the options for someone like me? I don't want to work a minimum-wage job the rest of my life, like I have been full-time since graduating, and I have to believe it's possible to find some job somewhere that I could be qualified for. Or become qualified for.  What should someone in a situation like mine do?*  I appreciate any and all insight.  *I don't want to make this question specific to me, but rather broadly applicable to anyone whose undergraduate experience was, to put it mildly, an unmitigated disaster. I'm happy to answer questions about my specific situation, but I want to keep the situation generalizable for everyone.   **Addendum:** I don't want to portray myself as completely hopeless. Yes, my overall gpa is dire, but the context is that I \"earned\" a 1.42 gpa during my freshman year, and subsequently took two years off to take community college courses before returning. With the exception of a semester that proved to be almost a total loss (1.37 gpa and two D's; I should have dropped out of classes before the deadline), I earned a 2.44 gpa or higher in my other 5 semesters, and a 2.82 and 3.20 in my final two semesters, respectively (while working 20+ hours per week during both semesters). So it's not a complete wash. But it's very hard to be optimistic... I have a friend who enjoyed a full ride, earned a 3.95 gpa, and worked multiple internships...and he applied to 60 jobs, with only 2 interviews!","c_root_id_A":"enu3gw5","c_root_id_B":"entsh78","created_at_utc_A":1558051575,"created_at_utc_B":1558047100,"score_A":6,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Don't lose hope. I was in a similar situation only a year ago. Took 6 years to graduate, no internships, similar gpa, was still working my college weekend job. Very bumpy ride and it killed my confidence.  I knew I needed to just find something technical where I could build confidence. Started walking into machine shops asking if they had any opportunities for someone with a mech e degree to jump in. I was lucky, the fifth guy related to me and let me work as an intern at his small shop. Learned as much as I could in 4 months about the machines and machinists he had. I eventually went to a temp agency to find something related to manufacturing (could have been anything that got me around people doing engineering type work) where I could just get my foot in the door and prove myself as an engaged worker and an asset. I started working as an assembler and learned as much as I could about the processes i was involved with. I tried to be personable and went out of my way to help the people I worked with. Fortunately, my boss liked me and his boss alerted me to an upcoming manufacturing engineer position being made. During my interview, I was honest about my failures in school but I highlighted my response and all the things I've learned since.  I think they hired me because they knew my face and my work ethic already and I had an engineering degree. Now I'm back into the swing of progressing as a titled engineer and my company will pay for things like more school and certifications. Your not unhirable. You just need to do make some moves to get traction. The whole point of engineering is to analyze, understand and solve problems so apply that to yourself and do some self reflection to figure out what went wrong and why. Make some lateral moves to get experience then sell your decisions as career investments. Good luck.","human_ref_B":"Do some technical projects on the side to showcase some talent \/ skills. (Doesn\u2019t have to be chemical engineering) then take them to interviews.  People like that.  People also like authenticity, and I don\u2019t think you have a problem there.  Also remove your GPa from your resume.   But I donno. What are you interested in when you\u2019re not working?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4475.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"bpgm51","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are alternative career paths for a recent engineering graduate who's effectively unhireable as an engineer? Hola, amigos!  I just graduated from a top ten university with a degree in Chemical Engineering. Sounds great, right? Well...I graduated with a 2.21 gpa (2.43 major). Zero internship experience. Spent most of my semesters on academic probation. Took 6.5 years to graduate.  To be blunt, I'm not hireable. No company in the world could look at my academic record and choose to give me a shot. I know that, and I recognize that engineering simply isn't an option for me at this point.  With that said, what *are* the options for someone like me? I don't want to work a minimum-wage job the rest of my life, like I have been full-time since graduating, and I have to believe it's possible to find some job somewhere that I could be qualified for. Or become qualified for.  What should someone in a situation like mine do?*  I appreciate any and all insight.  *I don't want to make this question specific to me, but rather broadly applicable to anyone whose undergraduate experience was, to put it mildly, an unmitigated disaster. I'm happy to answer questions about my specific situation, but I want to keep the situation generalizable for everyone.   **Addendum:** I don't want to portray myself as completely hopeless. Yes, my overall gpa is dire, but the context is that I \"earned\" a 1.42 gpa during my freshman year, and subsequently took two years off to take community college courses before returning. With the exception of a semester that proved to be almost a total loss (1.37 gpa and two D's; I should have dropped out of classes before the deadline), I earned a 2.44 gpa or higher in my other 5 semesters, and a 2.82 and 3.20 in my final two semesters, respectively (while working 20+ hours per week during both semesters). So it's not a complete wash. But it's very hard to be optimistic... I have a friend who enjoyed a full ride, earned a 3.95 gpa, and worked multiple internships...and he applied to 60 jobs, with only 2 interviews!","c_root_id_A":"enu3gw5","c_root_id_B":"enty4uh","created_at_utc_A":1558051575,"created_at_utc_B":1558049330,"score_A":6,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Don't lose hope. I was in a similar situation only a year ago. Took 6 years to graduate, no internships, similar gpa, was still working my college weekend job. Very bumpy ride and it killed my confidence.  I knew I needed to just find something technical where I could build confidence. Started walking into machine shops asking if they had any opportunities for someone with a mech e degree to jump in. I was lucky, the fifth guy related to me and let me work as an intern at his small shop. Learned as much as I could in 4 months about the machines and machinists he had. I eventually went to a temp agency to find something related to manufacturing (could have been anything that got me around people doing engineering type work) where I could just get my foot in the door and prove myself as an engaged worker and an asset. I started working as an assembler and learned as much as I could about the processes i was involved with. I tried to be personable and went out of my way to help the people I worked with. Fortunately, my boss liked me and his boss alerted me to an upcoming manufacturing engineer position being made. During my interview, I was honest about my failures in school but I highlighted my response and all the things I've learned since.  I think they hired me because they knew my face and my work ethic already and I had an engineering degree. Now I'm back into the swing of progressing as a titled engineer and my company will pay for things like more school and certifications. Your not unhirable. You just need to do make some moves to get traction. The whole point of engineering is to analyze, understand and solve problems so apply that to yourself and do some self reflection to figure out what went wrong and why. Make some lateral moves to get experience then sell your decisions as career investments. Good luck.","human_ref_B":"Get your shit together and do grad school.  Or  Find a small company looking to bring in new knowledge that you have.   It both.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2245.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"bpgm51","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are alternative career paths for a recent engineering graduate who's effectively unhireable as an engineer? Hola, amigos!  I just graduated from a top ten university with a degree in Chemical Engineering. Sounds great, right? Well...I graduated with a 2.21 gpa (2.43 major). Zero internship experience. Spent most of my semesters on academic probation. Took 6.5 years to graduate.  To be blunt, I'm not hireable. No company in the world could look at my academic record and choose to give me a shot. I know that, and I recognize that engineering simply isn't an option for me at this point.  With that said, what *are* the options for someone like me? I don't want to work a minimum-wage job the rest of my life, like I have been full-time since graduating, and I have to believe it's possible to find some job somewhere that I could be qualified for. Or become qualified for.  What should someone in a situation like mine do?*  I appreciate any and all insight.  *I don't want to make this question specific to me, but rather broadly applicable to anyone whose undergraduate experience was, to put it mildly, an unmitigated disaster. I'm happy to answer questions about my specific situation, but I want to keep the situation generalizable for everyone.   **Addendum:** I don't want to portray myself as completely hopeless. Yes, my overall gpa is dire, but the context is that I \"earned\" a 1.42 gpa during my freshman year, and subsequently took two years off to take community college courses before returning. With the exception of a semester that proved to be almost a total loss (1.37 gpa and two D's; I should have dropped out of classes before the deadline), I earned a 2.44 gpa or higher in my other 5 semesters, and a 2.82 and 3.20 in my final two semesters, respectively (while working 20+ hours per week during both semesters). So it's not a complete wash. But it's very hard to be optimistic... I have a friend who enjoyed a full ride, earned a 3.95 gpa, and worked multiple internships...and he applied to 60 jobs, with only 2 interviews!","c_root_id_A":"enu1b72","c_root_id_B":"enu3gw5","created_at_utc_A":1558050695,"created_at_utc_B":1558051575,"score_A":2,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"If chemical engineering is what you want to do, never say never. I was a cheme in my undergrad and several of my classmates were in your shoes. It may take longer, you may have to be willing to relocate to an undesirable location for a few years, but you can definitely get hired.   In addition, work on scripting out your story better. Don't come in with this negative attitude (even if you believe this to be true.) Redo your resume and focus on the projects you've been apart of in your classes. Use professional language and be sure to focus on showing your leadership in these projects and what technical knowledge you gained. I too recently switched my engineering focus all together and I struggled with explaining my 0 experience and why I want to completely change my field. If people ask why you have a low gpa be honest but speak about how it took you a while to find that passion or something (turn it into a positive).  Lastly, look into engineering recruiters and maybe get a  job as a technician or contractor for a chemical company or whatever. I had a few friends who did this for a year to build up their resume. then they  were able to get engineering positions at great companies.   Sorry for the 5 paragraph essay but you are going to be fine and be a great engineer!! You went through 6.5 years of schooling do not give up now. If you want please dm me and I can send you my resume and cover letters as examples. I worked basically all year on them with my grad school career offices to best script my story","human_ref_B":"Don't lose hope. I was in a similar situation only a year ago. Took 6 years to graduate, no internships, similar gpa, was still working my college weekend job. Very bumpy ride and it killed my confidence.  I knew I needed to just find something technical where I could build confidence. Started walking into machine shops asking if they had any opportunities for someone with a mech e degree to jump in. I was lucky, the fifth guy related to me and let me work as an intern at his small shop. Learned as much as I could in 4 months about the machines and machinists he had. I eventually went to a temp agency to find something related to manufacturing (could have been anything that got me around people doing engineering type work) where I could just get my foot in the door and prove myself as an engaged worker and an asset. I started working as an assembler and learned as much as I could about the processes i was involved with. I tried to be personable and went out of my way to help the people I worked with. Fortunately, my boss liked me and his boss alerted me to an upcoming manufacturing engineer position being made. During my interview, I was honest about my failures in school but I highlighted my response and all the things I've learned since.  I think they hired me because they knew my face and my work ethic already and I had an engineering degree. Now I'm back into the swing of progressing as a titled engineer and my company will pay for things like more school and certifications. Your not unhirable. You just need to do make some moves to get traction. The whole point of engineering is to analyze, understand and solve problems so apply that to yourself and do some self reflection to figure out what went wrong and why. Make some lateral moves to get experience then sell your decisions as career investments. Good luck.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":880.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"bpgm51","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are alternative career paths for a recent engineering graduate who's effectively unhireable as an engineer? Hola, amigos!  I just graduated from a top ten university with a degree in Chemical Engineering. Sounds great, right? Well...I graduated with a 2.21 gpa (2.43 major). Zero internship experience. Spent most of my semesters on academic probation. Took 6.5 years to graduate.  To be blunt, I'm not hireable. No company in the world could look at my academic record and choose to give me a shot. I know that, and I recognize that engineering simply isn't an option for me at this point.  With that said, what *are* the options for someone like me? I don't want to work a minimum-wage job the rest of my life, like I have been full-time since graduating, and I have to believe it's possible to find some job somewhere that I could be qualified for. Or become qualified for.  What should someone in a situation like mine do?*  I appreciate any and all insight.  *I don't want to make this question specific to me, but rather broadly applicable to anyone whose undergraduate experience was, to put it mildly, an unmitigated disaster. I'm happy to answer questions about my specific situation, but I want to keep the situation generalizable for everyone.   **Addendum:** I don't want to portray myself as completely hopeless. Yes, my overall gpa is dire, but the context is that I \"earned\" a 1.42 gpa during my freshman year, and subsequently took two years off to take community college courses before returning. With the exception of a semester that proved to be almost a total loss (1.37 gpa and two D's; I should have dropped out of classes before the deadline), I earned a 2.44 gpa or higher in my other 5 semesters, and a 2.82 and 3.20 in my final two semesters, respectively (while working 20+ hours per week during both semesters). So it's not a complete wash. But it's very hard to be optimistic... I have a friend who enjoyed a full ride, earned a 3.95 gpa, and worked multiple internships...and he applied to 60 jobs, with only 2 interviews!","c_root_id_A":"entd7cq","c_root_id_B":"enu70os","created_at_utc_A":1558040478,"created_at_utc_B":1558053022,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Just leave it off the resume. Id say continue applying to all the engineering jobs you want. Be aware they will SOMETIMES ask to which you tell them straight up the number. You can then tell them how you brought it back. The job I have now never even asked my gpa despite me being a recent graduate with my bachelors. My company does not ask about gpa cause who cares. I would not sell yourself short but know the gpa will cause the job search to be a bit longer.","human_ref_B":"Become a technician! They get to do the fun stuff anyway and make pretty good money. I want to touch the airplanes...","labels":0,"seconds_difference":12544.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"bpgm51","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are alternative career paths for a recent engineering graduate who's effectively unhireable as an engineer? Hola, amigos!  I just graduated from a top ten university with a degree in Chemical Engineering. Sounds great, right? Well...I graduated with a 2.21 gpa (2.43 major). Zero internship experience. Spent most of my semesters on academic probation. Took 6.5 years to graduate.  To be blunt, I'm not hireable. No company in the world could look at my academic record and choose to give me a shot. I know that, and I recognize that engineering simply isn't an option for me at this point.  With that said, what *are* the options for someone like me? I don't want to work a minimum-wage job the rest of my life, like I have been full-time since graduating, and I have to believe it's possible to find some job somewhere that I could be qualified for. Or become qualified for.  What should someone in a situation like mine do?*  I appreciate any and all insight.  *I don't want to make this question specific to me, but rather broadly applicable to anyone whose undergraduate experience was, to put it mildly, an unmitigated disaster. I'm happy to answer questions about my specific situation, but I want to keep the situation generalizable for everyone.   **Addendum:** I don't want to portray myself as completely hopeless. Yes, my overall gpa is dire, but the context is that I \"earned\" a 1.42 gpa during my freshman year, and subsequently took two years off to take community college courses before returning. With the exception of a semester that proved to be almost a total loss (1.37 gpa and two D's; I should have dropped out of classes before the deadline), I earned a 2.44 gpa or higher in my other 5 semesters, and a 2.82 and 3.20 in my final two semesters, respectively (while working 20+ hours per week during both semesters). So it's not a complete wash. But it's very hard to be optimistic... I have a friend who enjoyed a full ride, earned a 3.95 gpa, and worked multiple internships...and he applied to 60 jobs, with only 2 interviews!","c_root_id_A":"enu70os","c_root_id_B":"entkpf3","created_at_utc_A":1558053022,"created_at_utc_B":1558043419,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Become a technician! They get to do the fun stuff anyway and make pretty good money. I want to touch the airplanes...","human_ref_B":"I didn't graduate and got a job as a project engineer in construction very solid pay. I was able to move on from that into another project engineer role at a AEC company working for an expert witness. I make a very solid living in a high cost of living metro area.    jobs are out there but you wont get one if you tell yourself (or god forbid other people) you're \"unhireable\"","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9603.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"bpgm51","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are alternative career paths for a recent engineering graduate who's effectively unhireable as an engineer? Hola, amigos!  I just graduated from a top ten university with a degree in Chemical Engineering. Sounds great, right? Well...I graduated with a 2.21 gpa (2.43 major). Zero internship experience. Spent most of my semesters on academic probation. Took 6.5 years to graduate.  To be blunt, I'm not hireable. No company in the world could look at my academic record and choose to give me a shot. I know that, and I recognize that engineering simply isn't an option for me at this point.  With that said, what *are* the options for someone like me? I don't want to work a minimum-wage job the rest of my life, like I have been full-time since graduating, and I have to believe it's possible to find some job somewhere that I could be qualified for. Or become qualified for.  What should someone in a situation like mine do?*  I appreciate any and all insight.  *I don't want to make this question specific to me, but rather broadly applicable to anyone whose undergraduate experience was, to put it mildly, an unmitigated disaster. I'm happy to answer questions about my specific situation, but I want to keep the situation generalizable for everyone.   **Addendum:** I don't want to portray myself as completely hopeless. Yes, my overall gpa is dire, but the context is that I \"earned\" a 1.42 gpa during my freshman year, and subsequently took two years off to take community college courses before returning. With the exception of a semester that proved to be almost a total loss (1.37 gpa and two D's; I should have dropped out of classes before the deadline), I earned a 2.44 gpa or higher in my other 5 semesters, and a 2.82 and 3.20 in my final two semesters, respectively (while working 20+ hours per week during both semesters). So it's not a complete wash. But it's very hard to be optimistic... I have a friend who enjoyed a full ride, earned a 3.95 gpa, and worked multiple internships...and he applied to 60 jobs, with only 2 interviews!","c_root_id_A":"enu70os","c_root_id_B":"entmk4v","created_at_utc_A":1558053022,"created_at_utc_B":1558044223,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Become a technician! They get to do the fun stuff anyway and make pretty good money. I want to touch the airplanes...","human_ref_B":"I graduated with a similar GPA and a degree in industrial design, with a concentration in furniture design. Basically I have a degree in chairs. That was ten years ago. Now I'm a senior engineer for a $70b aerospace company. I have a great job and it happened because I took a job as an engineering designer right out of school at a baby aero firm and absorbed everything like a sponge for 7 years. Make sure your resume is good and practice interviewing so you interview well. Apply for things you'd never accept for the interview practice. Don't put the GPA on the resume and nobody will ask. If they ask why you took so long to finish, tell them you had to move home for a while for family or something. Trust me, performance in school does not equate to performance in a career.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8799.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"bpgm51","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are alternative career paths for a recent engineering graduate who's effectively unhireable as an engineer? Hola, amigos!  I just graduated from a top ten university with a degree in Chemical Engineering. Sounds great, right? Well...I graduated with a 2.21 gpa (2.43 major). Zero internship experience. Spent most of my semesters on academic probation. Took 6.5 years to graduate.  To be blunt, I'm not hireable. No company in the world could look at my academic record and choose to give me a shot. I know that, and I recognize that engineering simply isn't an option for me at this point.  With that said, what *are* the options for someone like me? I don't want to work a minimum-wage job the rest of my life, like I have been full-time since graduating, and I have to believe it's possible to find some job somewhere that I could be qualified for. Or become qualified for.  What should someone in a situation like mine do?*  I appreciate any and all insight.  *I don't want to make this question specific to me, but rather broadly applicable to anyone whose undergraduate experience was, to put it mildly, an unmitigated disaster. I'm happy to answer questions about my specific situation, but I want to keep the situation generalizable for everyone.   **Addendum:** I don't want to portray myself as completely hopeless. Yes, my overall gpa is dire, but the context is that I \"earned\" a 1.42 gpa during my freshman year, and subsequently took two years off to take community college courses before returning. With the exception of a semester that proved to be almost a total loss (1.37 gpa and two D's; I should have dropped out of classes before the deadline), I earned a 2.44 gpa or higher in my other 5 semesters, and a 2.82 and 3.20 in my final two semesters, respectively (while working 20+ hours per week during both semesters). So it's not a complete wash. But it's very hard to be optimistic... I have a friend who enjoyed a full ride, earned a 3.95 gpa, and worked multiple internships...and he applied to 60 jobs, with only 2 interviews!","c_root_id_A":"entsh78","c_root_id_B":"enu70os","created_at_utc_A":1558047100,"created_at_utc_B":1558053022,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Do some technical projects on the side to showcase some talent \/ skills. (Doesn\u2019t have to be chemical engineering) then take them to interviews.  People like that.  People also like authenticity, and I don\u2019t think you have a problem there.  Also remove your GPa from your resume.   But I donno. What are you interested in when you\u2019re not working?","human_ref_B":"Become a technician! They get to do the fun stuff anyway and make pretty good money. I want to touch the airplanes...","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5922.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"bpgm51","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are alternative career paths for a recent engineering graduate who's effectively unhireable as an engineer? Hola, amigos!  I just graduated from a top ten university with a degree in Chemical Engineering. Sounds great, right? Well...I graduated with a 2.21 gpa (2.43 major). Zero internship experience. Spent most of my semesters on academic probation. Took 6.5 years to graduate.  To be blunt, I'm not hireable. No company in the world could look at my academic record and choose to give me a shot. I know that, and I recognize that engineering simply isn't an option for me at this point.  With that said, what *are* the options for someone like me? I don't want to work a minimum-wage job the rest of my life, like I have been full-time since graduating, and I have to believe it's possible to find some job somewhere that I could be qualified for. Or become qualified for.  What should someone in a situation like mine do?*  I appreciate any and all insight.  *I don't want to make this question specific to me, but rather broadly applicable to anyone whose undergraduate experience was, to put it mildly, an unmitigated disaster. I'm happy to answer questions about my specific situation, but I want to keep the situation generalizable for everyone.   **Addendum:** I don't want to portray myself as completely hopeless. Yes, my overall gpa is dire, but the context is that I \"earned\" a 1.42 gpa during my freshman year, and subsequently took two years off to take community college courses before returning. With the exception of a semester that proved to be almost a total loss (1.37 gpa and two D's; I should have dropped out of classes before the deadline), I earned a 2.44 gpa or higher in my other 5 semesters, and a 2.82 and 3.20 in my final two semesters, respectively (while working 20+ hours per week during both semesters). So it's not a complete wash. But it's very hard to be optimistic... I have a friend who enjoyed a full ride, earned a 3.95 gpa, and worked multiple internships...and he applied to 60 jobs, with only 2 interviews!","c_root_id_A":"enu70os","c_root_id_B":"enty4uh","created_at_utc_A":1558053022,"created_at_utc_B":1558049330,"score_A":5,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Become a technician! They get to do the fun stuff anyway and make pretty good money. I want to touch the airplanes...","human_ref_B":"Get your shit together and do grad school.  Or  Find a small company looking to bring in new knowledge that you have.   It both.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3692.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"bpgm51","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are alternative career paths for a recent engineering graduate who's effectively unhireable as an engineer? Hola, amigos!  I just graduated from a top ten university with a degree in Chemical Engineering. Sounds great, right? Well...I graduated with a 2.21 gpa (2.43 major). Zero internship experience. Spent most of my semesters on academic probation. Took 6.5 years to graduate.  To be blunt, I'm not hireable. No company in the world could look at my academic record and choose to give me a shot. I know that, and I recognize that engineering simply isn't an option for me at this point.  With that said, what *are* the options for someone like me? I don't want to work a minimum-wage job the rest of my life, like I have been full-time since graduating, and I have to believe it's possible to find some job somewhere that I could be qualified for. Or become qualified for.  What should someone in a situation like mine do?*  I appreciate any and all insight.  *I don't want to make this question specific to me, but rather broadly applicable to anyone whose undergraduate experience was, to put it mildly, an unmitigated disaster. I'm happy to answer questions about my specific situation, but I want to keep the situation generalizable for everyone.   **Addendum:** I don't want to portray myself as completely hopeless. Yes, my overall gpa is dire, but the context is that I \"earned\" a 1.42 gpa during my freshman year, and subsequently took two years off to take community college courses before returning. With the exception of a semester that proved to be almost a total loss (1.37 gpa and two D's; I should have dropped out of classes before the deadline), I earned a 2.44 gpa or higher in my other 5 semesters, and a 2.82 and 3.20 in my final two semesters, respectively (while working 20+ hours per week during both semesters). So it's not a complete wash. But it's very hard to be optimistic... I have a friend who enjoyed a full ride, earned a 3.95 gpa, and worked multiple internships...and he applied to 60 jobs, with only 2 interviews!","c_root_id_A":"enu1b72","c_root_id_B":"enu70os","created_at_utc_A":1558050695,"created_at_utc_B":1558053022,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"If chemical engineering is what you want to do, never say never. I was a cheme in my undergrad and several of my classmates were in your shoes. It may take longer, you may have to be willing to relocate to an undesirable location for a few years, but you can definitely get hired.   In addition, work on scripting out your story better. Don't come in with this negative attitude (even if you believe this to be true.) Redo your resume and focus on the projects you've been apart of in your classes. Use professional language and be sure to focus on showing your leadership in these projects and what technical knowledge you gained. I too recently switched my engineering focus all together and I struggled with explaining my 0 experience and why I want to completely change my field. If people ask why you have a low gpa be honest but speak about how it took you a while to find that passion or something (turn it into a positive).  Lastly, look into engineering recruiters and maybe get a  job as a technician or contractor for a chemical company or whatever. I had a few friends who did this for a year to build up their resume. then they  were able to get engineering positions at great companies.   Sorry for the 5 paragraph essay but you are going to be fine and be a great engineer!! You went through 6.5 years of schooling do not give up now. If you want please dm me and I can send you my resume and cover letters as examples. I worked basically all year on them with my grad school career offices to best script my story","human_ref_B":"Become a technician! They get to do the fun stuff anyway and make pretty good money. I want to touch the airplanes...","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2327.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"bpgm51","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are alternative career paths for a recent engineering graduate who's effectively unhireable as an engineer? Hola, amigos!  I just graduated from a top ten university with a degree in Chemical Engineering. Sounds great, right? Well...I graduated with a 2.21 gpa (2.43 major). Zero internship experience. Spent most of my semesters on academic probation. Took 6.5 years to graduate.  To be blunt, I'm not hireable. No company in the world could look at my academic record and choose to give me a shot. I know that, and I recognize that engineering simply isn't an option for me at this point.  With that said, what *are* the options for someone like me? I don't want to work a minimum-wage job the rest of my life, like I have been full-time since graduating, and I have to believe it's possible to find some job somewhere that I could be qualified for. Or become qualified for.  What should someone in a situation like mine do?*  I appreciate any and all insight.  *I don't want to make this question specific to me, but rather broadly applicable to anyone whose undergraduate experience was, to put it mildly, an unmitigated disaster. I'm happy to answer questions about my specific situation, but I want to keep the situation generalizable for everyone.   **Addendum:** I don't want to portray myself as completely hopeless. Yes, my overall gpa is dire, but the context is that I \"earned\" a 1.42 gpa during my freshman year, and subsequently took two years off to take community college courses before returning. With the exception of a semester that proved to be almost a total loss (1.37 gpa and two D's; I should have dropped out of classes before the deadline), I earned a 2.44 gpa or higher in my other 5 semesters, and a 2.82 and 3.20 in my final two semesters, respectively (while working 20+ hours per week during both semesters). So it's not a complete wash. But it's very hard to be optimistic... I have a friend who enjoyed a full ride, earned a 3.95 gpa, and worked multiple internships...and he applied to 60 jobs, with only 2 interviews!","c_root_id_A":"entsh78","c_root_id_B":"enu940t","created_at_utc_A":1558047100,"created_at_utc_B":1558053881,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Do some technical projects on the side to showcase some talent \/ skills. (Doesn\u2019t have to be chemical engineering) then take them to interviews.  People like that.  People also like authenticity, and I don\u2019t think you have a problem there.  Also remove your GPa from your resume.   But I donno. What are you interested in when you\u2019re not working?","human_ref_B":"An engineering degree goes a long way. If you are really interested then apply for 100s of positions and you will get at least one. Focus on Project Management if that\u2019s of interest. I don\u2019t hire people based on grades. I learned a long time that the highest GPA doesn\u2019t necessarily equate to the Engineers I want.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6781.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"bpgm51","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are alternative career paths for a recent engineering graduate who's effectively unhireable as an engineer? Hola, amigos!  I just graduated from a top ten university with a degree in Chemical Engineering. Sounds great, right? Well...I graduated with a 2.21 gpa (2.43 major). Zero internship experience. Spent most of my semesters on academic probation. Took 6.5 years to graduate.  To be blunt, I'm not hireable. No company in the world could look at my academic record and choose to give me a shot. I know that, and I recognize that engineering simply isn't an option for me at this point.  With that said, what *are* the options for someone like me? I don't want to work a minimum-wage job the rest of my life, like I have been full-time since graduating, and I have to believe it's possible to find some job somewhere that I could be qualified for. Or become qualified for.  What should someone in a situation like mine do?*  I appreciate any and all insight.  *I don't want to make this question specific to me, but rather broadly applicable to anyone whose undergraduate experience was, to put it mildly, an unmitigated disaster. I'm happy to answer questions about my specific situation, but I want to keep the situation generalizable for everyone.   **Addendum:** I don't want to portray myself as completely hopeless. Yes, my overall gpa is dire, but the context is that I \"earned\" a 1.42 gpa during my freshman year, and subsequently took two years off to take community college courses before returning. With the exception of a semester that proved to be almost a total loss (1.37 gpa and two D's; I should have dropped out of classes before the deadline), I earned a 2.44 gpa or higher in my other 5 semesters, and a 2.82 and 3.20 in my final two semesters, respectively (while working 20+ hours per week during both semesters). So it's not a complete wash. But it's very hard to be optimistic... I have a friend who enjoyed a full ride, earned a 3.95 gpa, and worked multiple internships...and he applied to 60 jobs, with only 2 interviews!","c_root_id_A":"enu940t","c_root_id_B":"enty4uh","created_at_utc_A":1558053881,"created_at_utc_B":1558049330,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"An engineering degree goes a long way. If you are really interested then apply for 100s of positions and you will get at least one. Focus on Project Management if that\u2019s of interest. I don\u2019t hire people based on grades. I learned a long time that the highest GPA doesn\u2019t necessarily equate to the Engineers I want.","human_ref_B":"Get your shit together and do grad school.  Or  Find a small company looking to bring in new knowledge that you have.   It both.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4551.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"bpgm51","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What are alternative career paths for a recent engineering graduate who's effectively unhireable as an engineer? Hola, amigos!  I just graduated from a top ten university with a degree in Chemical Engineering. Sounds great, right? Well...I graduated with a 2.21 gpa (2.43 major). Zero internship experience. Spent most of my semesters on academic probation. Took 6.5 years to graduate.  To be blunt, I'm not hireable. No company in the world could look at my academic record and choose to give me a shot. I know that, and I recognize that engineering simply isn't an option for me at this point.  With that said, what *are* the options for someone like me? I don't want to work a minimum-wage job the rest of my life, like I have been full-time since graduating, and I have to believe it's possible to find some job somewhere that I could be qualified for. Or become qualified for.  What should someone in a situation like mine do?*  I appreciate any and all insight.  *I don't want to make this question specific to me, but rather broadly applicable to anyone whose undergraduate experience was, to put it mildly, an unmitigated disaster. I'm happy to answer questions about my specific situation, but I want to keep the situation generalizable for everyone.   **Addendum:** I don't want to portray myself as completely hopeless. Yes, my overall gpa is dire, but the context is that I \"earned\" a 1.42 gpa during my freshman year, and subsequently took two years off to take community college courses before returning. With the exception of a semester that proved to be almost a total loss (1.37 gpa and two D's; I should have dropped out of classes before the deadline), I earned a 2.44 gpa or higher in my other 5 semesters, and a 2.82 and 3.20 in my final two semesters, respectively (while working 20+ hours per week during both semesters). So it's not a complete wash. But it's very hard to be optimistic... I have a friend who enjoyed a full ride, earned a 3.95 gpa, and worked multiple internships...and he applied to 60 jobs, with only 2 interviews!","c_root_id_A":"enu1b72","c_root_id_B":"enu940t","created_at_utc_A":1558050695,"created_at_utc_B":1558053881,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"If chemical engineering is what you want to do, never say never. I was a cheme in my undergrad and several of my classmates were in your shoes. It may take longer, you may have to be willing to relocate to an undesirable location for a few years, but you can definitely get hired.   In addition, work on scripting out your story better. Don't come in with this negative attitude (even if you believe this to be true.) Redo your resume and focus on the projects you've been apart of in your classes. Use professional language and be sure to focus on showing your leadership in these projects and what technical knowledge you gained. I too recently switched my engineering focus all together and I struggled with explaining my 0 experience and why I want to completely change my field. If people ask why you have a low gpa be honest but speak about how it took you a while to find that passion or something (turn it into a positive).  Lastly, look into engineering recruiters and maybe get a  job as a technician or contractor for a chemical company or whatever. I had a few friends who did this for a year to build up their resume. then they  were able to get engineering positions at great companies.   Sorry for the 5 paragraph essay but you are going to be fine and be a great engineer!! You went through 6.5 years of schooling do not give up now. If you want please dm me and I can send you my resume and cover letters as examples. I worked basically all year on them with my grad school career offices to best script my story","human_ref_B":"An engineering degree goes a long way. If you are really interested then apply for 100s of positions and you will get at least one. Focus on Project Management if that\u2019s of interest. I don\u2019t hire people based on grades. I learned a long time that the highest GPA doesn\u2019t necessarily equate to the Engineers I want.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3186.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"zi7zu7","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What's the general consensus on people having an Engineering title without having an engineering degree? I (37m) recently received a new title at work of 'Applications Engineer'. I'm a long time CNC machinist and programmer that manages our CAD\/CAM systems. I implement new processes and train folks on both our CAD and CAM platforms. I also write some scripts from time to time with Python, SQL, VBA, and Fanuc Macro B for task that we either want to simplify, automate, or just happens to be complex and would warrant it. I'm relatively proficient at CAD design, even have a product I helped a friend develop on the side which you can buy in Cabela's, Bass Pro Shops, and other big stores of that nature.  That being said, I personally asked for this specific title as it's a role in my industry (CNC Machine Tool Programming) that I want to further my career in. Essentially becoming a subject matter expert for a future company. However, some in my group feel that 'Engineer' in the job title is only for those who have degrees and it's a disservice to those who do have them. They also won't call the only person in our group an 'Engineer' because he's fresh out of school(with a BA in EE) and doesn't have the experience.  So, I want to pose a question to the community, where do you draw the line between Engineer and non-Engineers with regards to titles and duties? Do you make the distinct line for degree holders and non-degree holders?","c_root_id_A":"izq7d82","c_root_id_B":"izq7zex","created_at_utc_A":1670719931,"created_at_utc_B":1670720235,"score_A":36,"score_B":201,"human_ref_A":"An engineer is someone who has taken the time to study the fine art of making shit work, either through book study or practical experience.  College education used to be a shortcut around spending years on the drafting board or as a technician.  It's only in more recent times as technology has advanced, and college became more readily available, that the other paths closed.  So let's see, you have studied your desired field, and you make shit work.  Welcome fellow engineer.","human_ref_B":"I've earned such titles, still chipping away at my degree part time though. IMO there is an element of truth to the comment about not being an engineer without the degree.   If you don't have the math and science background you're probably not going to approach problems the same way an engineer with a degree would. Those courses really change the way you look at the world.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":304.0,"score_ratio":5.5833333333}
{"post_id":"zi7zu7","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What's the general consensus on people having an Engineering title without having an engineering degree? I (37m) recently received a new title at work of 'Applications Engineer'. I'm a long time CNC machinist and programmer that manages our CAD\/CAM systems. I implement new processes and train folks on both our CAD and CAM platforms. I also write some scripts from time to time with Python, SQL, VBA, and Fanuc Macro B for task that we either want to simplify, automate, or just happens to be complex and would warrant it. I'm relatively proficient at CAD design, even have a product I helped a friend develop on the side which you can buy in Cabela's, Bass Pro Shops, and other big stores of that nature.  That being said, I personally asked for this specific title as it's a role in my industry (CNC Machine Tool Programming) that I want to further my career in. Essentially becoming a subject matter expert for a future company. However, some in my group feel that 'Engineer' in the job title is only for those who have degrees and it's a disservice to those who do have them. They also won't call the only person in our group an 'Engineer' because he's fresh out of school(with a BA in EE) and doesn't have the experience.  So, I want to pose a question to the community, where do you draw the line between Engineer and non-Engineers with regards to titles and duties? Do you make the distinct line for degree holders and non-degree holders?","c_root_id_A":"izq7d82","c_root_id_B":"izqdzoy","created_at_utc_A":1670719931,"created_at_utc_B":1670723278,"score_A":36,"score_B":111,"human_ref_A":"An engineer is someone who has taken the time to study the fine art of making shit work, either through book study or practical experience.  College education used to be a shortcut around spending years on the drafting board or as a technician.  It's only in more recent times as technology has advanced, and college became more readily available, that the other paths closed.  So let's see, you have studied your desired field, and you make shit work.  Welcome fellow engineer.","human_ref_B":"In Italy you can't call yourself engineer without a master degree, Is illegal and you risk a lot by doing It.(even 5years of jail)","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3347.0,"score_ratio":3.0833333333}
{"post_id":"zi7zu7","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What's the general consensus on people having an Engineering title without having an engineering degree? I (37m) recently received a new title at work of 'Applications Engineer'. I'm a long time CNC machinist and programmer that manages our CAD\/CAM systems. I implement new processes and train folks on both our CAD and CAM platforms. I also write some scripts from time to time with Python, SQL, VBA, and Fanuc Macro B for task that we either want to simplify, automate, or just happens to be complex and would warrant it. I'm relatively proficient at CAD design, even have a product I helped a friend develop on the side which you can buy in Cabela's, Bass Pro Shops, and other big stores of that nature.  That being said, I personally asked for this specific title as it's a role in my industry (CNC Machine Tool Programming) that I want to further my career in. Essentially becoming a subject matter expert for a future company. However, some in my group feel that 'Engineer' in the job title is only for those who have degrees and it's a disservice to those who do have them. They also won't call the only person in our group an 'Engineer' because he's fresh out of school(with a BA in EE) and doesn't have the experience.  So, I want to pose a question to the community, where do you draw the line between Engineer and non-Engineers with regards to titles and duties? Do you make the distinct line for degree holders and non-degree holders?","c_root_id_A":"izqdzoy","c_root_id_B":"izq9s3m","created_at_utc_A":1670723278,"created_at_utc_B":1670721148,"score_A":111,"score_B":32,"human_ref_A":"In Italy you can't call yourself engineer without a master degree, Is illegal and you risk a lot by doing It.(even 5years of jail)","human_ref_B":"You won\u2019t get a general consensus on Reddit.  Edit- this is not to say a consensus does not exist. But the real answer is not in Reddit anecdotes.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2130.0,"score_ratio":3.46875}
{"post_id":"zi7zu7","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What's the general consensus on people having an Engineering title without having an engineering degree? I (37m) recently received a new title at work of 'Applications Engineer'. I'm a long time CNC machinist and programmer that manages our CAD\/CAM systems. I implement new processes and train folks on both our CAD and CAM platforms. I also write some scripts from time to time with Python, SQL, VBA, and Fanuc Macro B for task that we either want to simplify, automate, or just happens to be complex and would warrant it. I'm relatively proficient at CAD design, even have a product I helped a friend develop on the side which you can buy in Cabela's, Bass Pro Shops, and other big stores of that nature.  That being said, I personally asked for this specific title as it's a role in my industry (CNC Machine Tool Programming) that I want to further my career in. Essentially becoming a subject matter expert for a future company. However, some in my group feel that 'Engineer' in the job title is only for those who have degrees and it's a disservice to those who do have them. They also won't call the only person in our group an 'Engineer' because he's fresh out of school(with a BA in EE) and doesn't have the experience.  So, I want to pose a question to the community, where do you draw the line between Engineer and non-Engineers with regards to titles and duties? Do you make the distinct line for degree holders and non-degree holders?","c_root_id_A":"izqdzoy","c_root_id_B":"izq8l3s","created_at_utc_A":1670723278,"created_at_utc_B":1670720541,"score_A":111,"score_B":30,"human_ref_A":"In Italy you can't call yourself engineer without a master degree, Is illegal and you risk a lot by doing It.(even 5years of jail)","human_ref_B":"There isn't concensus because there is so much grey. Ask yourself: am I doing engineering work? Am I applying the scientific method and the appropriate theories to ensure the success of my assigned task? If not, then I would say no, you're doing something else.   When it comes to the \"grading\", I tend to favour the \"round up\" approach, so if the answer is around 50%, aye, your an engineer, just in one of those strange jobs where you have other non-engineering task (finance, HR, logistics, etc etc)","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2737.0,"score_ratio":3.7}
{"post_id":"zi7zu7","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What's the general consensus on people having an Engineering title without having an engineering degree? I (37m) recently received a new title at work of 'Applications Engineer'. I'm a long time CNC machinist and programmer that manages our CAD\/CAM systems. I implement new processes and train folks on both our CAD and CAM platforms. I also write some scripts from time to time with Python, SQL, VBA, and Fanuc Macro B for task that we either want to simplify, automate, or just happens to be complex and would warrant it. I'm relatively proficient at CAD design, even have a product I helped a friend develop on the side which you can buy in Cabela's, Bass Pro Shops, and other big stores of that nature.  That being said, I personally asked for this specific title as it's a role in my industry (CNC Machine Tool Programming) that I want to further my career in. Essentially becoming a subject matter expert for a future company. However, some in my group feel that 'Engineer' in the job title is only for those who have degrees and it's a disservice to those who do have them. They also won't call the only person in our group an 'Engineer' because he's fresh out of school(with a BA in EE) and doesn't have the experience.  So, I want to pose a question to the community, where do you draw the line between Engineer and non-Engineers with regards to titles and duties? Do you make the distinct line for degree holders and non-degree holders?","c_root_id_A":"izqdqmq","c_root_id_B":"izqdzoy","created_at_utc_A":1670723149,"created_at_utc_B":1670723278,"score_A":15,"score_B":111,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019ve been alternately titled as a field service engineer or a field service technician. I currently and paid better as a technician than I was as an engineer. It seems to come down the task complexity and problem solving skills required. Now I fix 10-15 thermal printers in a day, where before I would spend 2-3 days fixing industrial 3d printers. It helps when the test print takes 0.05 seconds and not 5 hours plus a 3 step post processing to see if you\u2019ve fixed a leaking vacuum line.  I always felt awkward telling people I was a field service engineer. I went to school for 3d modeling and product design, but got into cad, 3d printing and such. I don\u2019t feel like I\u2019ve earned the engineer title through schooling, and the difference between a technician and engineer for field service is gray at best.","human_ref_B":"In Italy you can't call yourself engineer without a master degree, Is illegal and you risk a lot by doing It.(even 5years of jail)","labels":0,"seconds_difference":129.0,"score_ratio":7.4}
{"post_id":"zi7zu7","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What's the general consensus on people having an Engineering title without having an engineering degree? I (37m) recently received a new title at work of 'Applications Engineer'. I'm a long time CNC machinist and programmer that manages our CAD\/CAM systems. I implement new processes and train folks on both our CAD and CAM platforms. I also write some scripts from time to time with Python, SQL, VBA, and Fanuc Macro B for task that we either want to simplify, automate, or just happens to be complex and would warrant it. I'm relatively proficient at CAD design, even have a product I helped a friend develop on the side which you can buy in Cabela's, Bass Pro Shops, and other big stores of that nature.  That being said, I personally asked for this specific title as it's a role in my industry (CNC Machine Tool Programming) that I want to further my career in. Essentially becoming a subject matter expert for a future company. However, some in my group feel that 'Engineer' in the job title is only for those who have degrees and it's a disservice to those who do have them. They also won't call the only person in our group an 'Engineer' because he's fresh out of school(with a BA in EE) and doesn't have the experience.  So, I want to pose a question to the community, where do you draw the line between Engineer and non-Engineers with regards to titles and duties? Do you make the distinct line for degree holders and non-degree holders?","c_root_id_A":"izqfnkv","c_root_id_B":"izq7d82","created_at_utc_A":1670724122,"created_at_utc_B":1670719931,"score_A":64,"score_B":36,"human_ref_A":"I don\u2019t view someone as an engineer without the degree. They can do engineering work, but they aren\u2019t an engineer without the piece of paper.   That being said, there\u2019s probably a million plus people out there with no degree who are head and shoulders better engineers then me, and there were people engineering a hundred plus years ago before the piece of paper existed so in the end I guess it doesn\u2019t matter","human_ref_B":"An engineer is someone who has taken the time to study the fine art of making shit work, either through book study or practical experience.  College education used to be a shortcut around spending years on the drafting board or as a technician.  It's only in more recent times as technology has advanced, and college became more readily available, that the other paths closed.  So let's see, you have studied your desired field, and you make shit work.  Welcome fellow engineer.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4191.0,"score_ratio":1.7777777778}
{"post_id":"zi7zu7","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What's the general consensus on people having an Engineering title without having an engineering degree? I (37m) recently received a new title at work of 'Applications Engineer'. I'm a long time CNC machinist and programmer that manages our CAD\/CAM systems. I implement new processes and train folks on both our CAD and CAM platforms. I also write some scripts from time to time with Python, SQL, VBA, and Fanuc Macro B for task that we either want to simplify, automate, or just happens to be complex and would warrant it. I'm relatively proficient at CAD design, even have a product I helped a friend develop on the side which you can buy in Cabela's, Bass Pro Shops, and other big stores of that nature.  That being said, I personally asked for this specific title as it's a role in my industry (CNC Machine Tool Programming) that I want to further my career in. Essentially becoming a subject matter expert for a future company. However, some in my group feel that 'Engineer' in the job title is only for those who have degrees and it's a disservice to those who do have them. They also won't call the only person in our group an 'Engineer' because he's fresh out of school(with a BA in EE) and doesn't have the experience.  So, I want to pose a question to the community, where do you draw the line between Engineer and non-Engineers with regards to titles and duties? Do you make the distinct line for degree holders and non-degree holders?","c_root_id_A":"izqfnkv","c_root_id_B":"izq9s3m","created_at_utc_A":1670724122,"created_at_utc_B":1670721148,"score_A":64,"score_B":32,"human_ref_A":"I don\u2019t view someone as an engineer without the degree. They can do engineering work, but they aren\u2019t an engineer without the piece of paper.   That being said, there\u2019s probably a million plus people out there with no degree who are head and shoulders better engineers then me, and there were people engineering a hundred plus years ago before the piece of paper existed so in the end I guess it doesn\u2019t matter","human_ref_B":"You won\u2019t get a general consensus on Reddit.  Edit- this is not to say a consensus does not exist. But the real answer is not in Reddit anecdotes.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2974.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"zi7zu7","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What's the general consensus on people having an Engineering title without having an engineering degree? I (37m) recently received a new title at work of 'Applications Engineer'. I'm a long time CNC machinist and programmer that manages our CAD\/CAM systems. I implement new processes and train folks on both our CAD and CAM platforms. I also write some scripts from time to time with Python, SQL, VBA, and Fanuc Macro B for task that we either want to simplify, automate, or just happens to be complex and would warrant it. I'm relatively proficient at CAD design, even have a product I helped a friend develop on the side which you can buy in Cabela's, Bass Pro Shops, and other big stores of that nature.  That being said, I personally asked for this specific title as it's a role in my industry (CNC Machine Tool Programming) that I want to further my career in. Essentially becoming a subject matter expert for a future company. However, some in my group feel that 'Engineer' in the job title is only for those who have degrees and it's a disservice to those who do have them. They also won't call the only person in our group an 'Engineer' because he's fresh out of school(with a BA in EE) and doesn't have the experience.  So, I want to pose a question to the community, where do you draw the line between Engineer and non-Engineers with regards to titles and duties? Do you make the distinct line for degree holders and non-degree holders?","c_root_id_A":"izq8l3s","c_root_id_B":"izqfnkv","created_at_utc_A":1670720541,"created_at_utc_B":1670724122,"score_A":30,"score_B":64,"human_ref_A":"There isn't concensus because there is so much grey. Ask yourself: am I doing engineering work? Am I applying the scientific method and the appropriate theories to ensure the success of my assigned task? If not, then I would say no, you're doing something else.   When it comes to the \"grading\", I tend to favour the \"round up\" approach, so if the answer is around 50%, aye, your an engineer, just in one of those strange jobs where you have other non-engineering task (finance, HR, logistics, etc etc)","human_ref_B":"I don\u2019t view someone as an engineer without the degree. They can do engineering work, but they aren\u2019t an engineer without the piece of paper.   That being said, there\u2019s probably a million plus people out there with no degree who are head and shoulders better engineers then me, and there were people engineering a hundred plus years ago before the piece of paper existed so in the end I guess it doesn\u2019t matter","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3581.0,"score_ratio":2.1333333333}
{"post_id":"zi7zu7","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What's the general consensus on people having an Engineering title without having an engineering degree? I (37m) recently received a new title at work of 'Applications Engineer'. I'm a long time CNC machinist and programmer that manages our CAD\/CAM systems. I implement new processes and train folks on both our CAD and CAM platforms. I also write some scripts from time to time with Python, SQL, VBA, and Fanuc Macro B for task that we either want to simplify, automate, or just happens to be complex and would warrant it. I'm relatively proficient at CAD design, even have a product I helped a friend develop on the side which you can buy in Cabela's, Bass Pro Shops, and other big stores of that nature.  That being said, I personally asked for this specific title as it's a role in my industry (CNC Machine Tool Programming) that I want to further my career in. Essentially becoming a subject matter expert for a future company. However, some in my group feel that 'Engineer' in the job title is only for those who have degrees and it's a disservice to those who do have them. They also won't call the only person in our group an 'Engineer' because he's fresh out of school(with a BA in EE) and doesn't have the experience.  So, I want to pose a question to the community, where do you draw the line between Engineer and non-Engineers with regards to titles and duties? Do you make the distinct line for degree holders and non-degree holders?","c_root_id_A":"izqdqmq","c_root_id_B":"izqfnkv","created_at_utc_A":1670723149,"created_at_utc_B":1670724122,"score_A":15,"score_B":64,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019ve been alternately titled as a field service engineer or a field service technician. I currently and paid better as a technician than I was as an engineer. It seems to come down the task complexity and problem solving skills required. Now I fix 10-15 thermal printers in a day, where before I would spend 2-3 days fixing industrial 3d printers. It helps when the test print takes 0.05 seconds and not 5 hours plus a 3 step post processing to see if you\u2019ve fixed a leaking vacuum line.  I always felt awkward telling people I was a field service engineer. I went to school for 3d modeling and product design, but got into cad, 3d printing and such. I don\u2019t feel like I\u2019ve earned the engineer title through schooling, and the difference between a technician and engineer for field service is gray at best.","human_ref_B":"I don\u2019t view someone as an engineer without the degree. They can do engineering work, but they aren\u2019t an engineer without the piece of paper.   That being said, there\u2019s probably a million plus people out there with no degree who are head and shoulders better engineers then me, and there were people engineering a hundred plus years ago before the piece of paper existed so in the end I guess it doesn\u2019t matter","labels":0,"seconds_difference":973.0,"score_ratio":4.2666666667}
{"post_id":"zi7zu7","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What's the general consensus on people having an Engineering title without having an engineering degree? I (37m) recently received a new title at work of 'Applications Engineer'. I'm a long time CNC machinist and programmer that manages our CAD\/CAM systems. I implement new processes and train folks on both our CAD and CAM platforms. I also write some scripts from time to time with Python, SQL, VBA, and Fanuc Macro B for task that we either want to simplify, automate, or just happens to be complex and would warrant it. I'm relatively proficient at CAD design, even have a product I helped a friend develop on the side which you can buy in Cabela's, Bass Pro Shops, and other big stores of that nature.  That being said, I personally asked for this specific title as it's a role in my industry (CNC Machine Tool Programming) that I want to further my career in. Essentially becoming a subject matter expert for a future company. However, some in my group feel that 'Engineer' in the job title is only for those who have degrees and it's a disservice to those who do have them. They also won't call the only person in our group an 'Engineer' because he's fresh out of school(with a BA in EE) and doesn't have the experience.  So, I want to pose a question to the community, where do you draw the line between Engineer and non-Engineers with regards to titles and duties? Do you make the distinct line for degree holders and non-degree holders?","c_root_id_A":"izqeg72","c_root_id_B":"izqfnkv","created_at_utc_A":1670723510,"created_at_utc_B":1670724122,"score_A":11,"score_B":64,"human_ref_A":"Generally speaking, \u2018Engineer\u2019 is not a protected title, \u2018Professional Engineer\u2019 is a protected title. No one has to call themselves a professional medicial practicioner to differentiate themselves from faux medical practioners because the title of medical practioner is protected and regulated.  There definitely is a push (in my country at least) for \u2018Engineer\u2019 to become a protected title with compulsory registration coming into effect across some states. I am in support of this, it chases out the pretenders who potentially act and advise beyond their competency which in turn brings  a lot of legal risk.","human_ref_B":"I don\u2019t view someone as an engineer without the degree. They can do engineering work, but they aren\u2019t an engineer without the piece of paper.   That being said, there\u2019s probably a million plus people out there with no degree who are head and shoulders better engineers then me, and there were people engineering a hundred plus years ago before the piece of paper existed so in the end I guess it doesn\u2019t matter","labels":0,"seconds_difference":612.0,"score_ratio":5.8181818182}
{"post_id":"zi7zu7","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What's the general consensus on people having an Engineering title without having an engineering degree? I (37m) recently received a new title at work of 'Applications Engineer'. I'm a long time CNC machinist and programmer that manages our CAD\/CAM systems. I implement new processes and train folks on both our CAD and CAM platforms. I also write some scripts from time to time with Python, SQL, VBA, and Fanuc Macro B for task that we either want to simplify, automate, or just happens to be complex and would warrant it. I'm relatively proficient at CAD design, even have a product I helped a friend develop on the side which you can buy in Cabela's, Bass Pro Shops, and other big stores of that nature.  That being said, I personally asked for this specific title as it's a role in my industry (CNC Machine Tool Programming) that I want to further my career in. Essentially becoming a subject matter expert for a future company. However, some in my group feel that 'Engineer' in the job title is only for those who have degrees and it's a disservice to those who do have them. They also won't call the only person in our group an 'Engineer' because he's fresh out of school(with a BA in EE) and doesn't have the experience.  So, I want to pose a question to the community, where do you draw the line between Engineer and non-Engineers with regards to titles and duties? Do you make the distinct line for degree holders and non-degree holders?","c_root_id_A":"izq7d82","c_root_id_B":"izqi3vh","created_at_utc_A":1670719931,"created_at_utc_B":1670725342,"score_A":36,"score_B":43,"human_ref_A":"An engineer is someone who has taken the time to study the fine art of making shit work, either through book study or practical experience.  College education used to be a shortcut around spending years on the drafting board or as a technician.  It's only in more recent times as technology has advanced, and college became more readily available, that the other paths closed.  So let's see, you have studied your desired field, and you make shit work.  Welcome fellow engineer.","human_ref_B":"Offering a regional view-point since I didn't see much of one yet. In Canada 'Engineer', and 'Professional Engineer' are protected titles:    > In Canada 'Engineer' is a protected title, 'In Canada, only those licensed by a provincial or territorial engineering regulator may practise engineering and refer to themselves as an \u201cengineer\u201d. The exclusive use of this title by licensed engineers helps assure the public that only qualified individuals are practicing in the profession. Regulators, whose mandate is to protect the public, have policies, acts, and programs in place that work to ensure that members uphold high standards and ethics in the public interest.'   Engineers Canada.      Some people feel this goes a bit over-kill, Here again has some Canada-specific information.      I'm region-specific, but I do feel that to have a position \/ person with the role of \"XX Engineer\" SHOULD be licensed and regulated; mostly to avoid de-valuing the position as seen by anyone who codes an Android App calling themselves a software engineer. Software engineering to me is the ability to design safety critical applications, such as vehicle control code, and are built in a way that applies engineering principals and rigor, and not just hacked together C code.    I think that the title conveys an inherently more analytical \/ detailed approach to problem solving. Also, in Canada at least, having a P.Eng license gives a mandate to uphold specific guidelines as to protecting the general public. By removing the requirements \/ regulation for that title you open it up to being abused \/ misused.      I'm not trying to say that there aren't machinists \/ developers \/ CNC programmers who absolutely should fit the bill; the challenge will always come down to where do you draw the line? For Canada, in Ontario] (https:\/\/www.peo.on.ca\/licence-applications\/become-professional-engineer\/academic-requirements-non-ceab) I believe there is an option to become an engineer without the degree, but only in very few circumstances, and it still requires a degree of testing to avoid the dilution of the title, and a lot of work experience.      -Not an engineer, but someone with 5+years as a technologist who went back to get an EE degree and is graduating in a few weeks.      EDIT: Thought I'd tack on, for most responsibilities and day-to-day work I don't think there is much difference for the Technologist with 20+ years vs the Engineer in something like electronics design. The difference will be liability; a P.Eng can be held accountable by their licensing board for improper conduct [Ontario Reference, which might be hard-pressed even if they are licensed as a certified technologist.      There is also a seal: > Affixing the seal on documents and drawings indicates they are final for the intended purpose and have been prepared by or under the supervision of a person licensed to practise professional engineering who is assuming responsibility for them. By sealing documents and drawings, licence holders acknowledge that they assume professional responsibility for the design, opinions, judgments or directions given in the documents and drawings.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5411.0,"score_ratio":1.1944444444}
{"post_id":"zi7zu7","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What's the general consensus on people having an Engineering title without having an engineering degree? I (37m) recently received a new title at work of 'Applications Engineer'. I'm a long time CNC machinist and programmer that manages our CAD\/CAM systems. I implement new processes and train folks on both our CAD and CAM platforms. I also write some scripts from time to time with Python, SQL, VBA, and Fanuc Macro B for task that we either want to simplify, automate, or just happens to be complex and would warrant it. I'm relatively proficient at CAD design, even have a product I helped a friend develop on the side which you can buy in Cabela's, Bass Pro Shops, and other big stores of that nature.  That being said, I personally asked for this specific title as it's a role in my industry (CNC Machine Tool Programming) that I want to further my career in. Essentially becoming a subject matter expert for a future company. However, some in my group feel that 'Engineer' in the job title is only for those who have degrees and it's a disservice to those who do have them. They also won't call the only person in our group an 'Engineer' because he's fresh out of school(with a BA in EE) and doesn't have the experience.  So, I want to pose a question to the community, where do you draw the line between Engineer and non-Engineers with regards to titles and duties? Do you make the distinct line for degree holders and non-degree holders?","c_root_id_A":"izq9s3m","c_root_id_B":"izqi3vh","created_at_utc_A":1670721148,"created_at_utc_B":1670725342,"score_A":32,"score_B":43,"human_ref_A":"You won\u2019t get a general consensus on Reddit.  Edit- this is not to say a consensus does not exist. But the real answer is not in Reddit anecdotes.","human_ref_B":"Offering a regional view-point since I didn't see much of one yet. In Canada 'Engineer', and 'Professional Engineer' are protected titles:    > In Canada 'Engineer' is a protected title, 'In Canada, only those licensed by a provincial or territorial engineering regulator may practise engineering and refer to themselves as an \u201cengineer\u201d. The exclusive use of this title by licensed engineers helps assure the public that only qualified individuals are practicing in the profession. Regulators, whose mandate is to protect the public, have policies, acts, and programs in place that work to ensure that members uphold high standards and ethics in the public interest.'   Engineers Canada.      Some people feel this goes a bit over-kill, Here again has some Canada-specific information.      I'm region-specific, but I do feel that to have a position \/ person with the role of \"XX Engineer\" SHOULD be licensed and regulated; mostly to avoid de-valuing the position as seen by anyone who codes an Android App calling themselves a software engineer. Software engineering to me is the ability to design safety critical applications, such as vehicle control code, and are built in a way that applies engineering principals and rigor, and not just hacked together C code.    I think that the title conveys an inherently more analytical \/ detailed approach to problem solving. Also, in Canada at least, having a P.Eng license gives a mandate to uphold specific guidelines as to protecting the general public. By removing the requirements \/ regulation for that title you open it up to being abused \/ misused.      I'm not trying to say that there aren't machinists \/ developers \/ CNC programmers who absolutely should fit the bill; the challenge will always come down to where do you draw the line? For Canada, in Ontario] (https:\/\/www.peo.on.ca\/licence-applications\/become-professional-engineer\/academic-requirements-non-ceab) I believe there is an option to become an engineer without the degree, but only in very few circumstances, and it still requires a degree of testing to avoid the dilution of the title, and a lot of work experience.      -Not an engineer, but someone with 5+years as a technologist who went back to get an EE degree and is graduating in a few weeks.      EDIT: Thought I'd tack on, for most responsibilities and day-to-day work I don't think there is much difference for the Technologist with 20+ years vs the Engineer in something like electronics design. The difference will be liability; a P.Eng can be held accountable by their licensing board for improper conduct [Ontario Reference, which might be hard-pressed even if they are licensed as a certified technologist.      There is also a seal: > Affixing the seal on documents and drawings indicates they are final for the intended purpose and have been prepared by or under the supervision of a person licensed to practise professional engineering who is assuming responsibility for them. By sealing documents and drawings, licence holders acknowledge that they assume professional responsibility for the design, opinions, judgments or directions given in the documents and drawings.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4194.0,"score_ratio":1.34375}
{"post_id":"zi7zu7","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What's the general consensus on people having an Engineering title without having an engineering degree? I (37m) recently received a new title at work of 'Applications Engineer'. I'm a long time CNC machinist and programmer that manages our CAD\/CAM systems. I implement new processes and train folks on both our CAD and CAM platforms. I also write some scripts from time to time with Python, SQL, VBA, and Fanuc Macro B for task that we either want to simplify, automate, or just happens to be complex and would warrant it. I'm relatively proficient at CAD design, even have a product I helped a friend develop on the side which you can buy in Cabela's, Bass Pro Shops, and other big stores of that nature.  That being said, I personally asked for this specific title as it's a role in my industry (CNC Machine Tool Programming) that I want to further my career in. Essentially becoming a subject matter expert for a future company. However, some in my group feel that 'Engineer' in the job title is only for those who have degrees and it's a disservice to those who do have them. They also won't call the only person in our group an 'Engineer' because he's fresh out of school(with a BA in EE) and doesn't have the experience.  So, I want to pose a question to the community, where do you draw the line between Engineer and non-Engineers with regards to titles and duties? Do you make the distinct line for degree holders and non-degree holders?","c_root_id_A":"izq8l3s","c_root_id_B":"izqi3vh","created_at_utc_A":1670720541,"created_at_utc_B":1670725342,"score_A":30,"score_B":43,"human_ref_A":"There isn't concensus because there is so much grey. Ask yourself: am I doing engineering work? Am I applying the scientific method and the appropriate theories to ensure the success of my assigned task? If not, then I would say no, you're doing something else.   When it comes to the \"grading\", I tend to favour the \"round up\" approach, so if the answer is around 50%, aye, your an engineer, just in one of those strange jobs where you have other non-engineering task (finance, HR, logistics, etc etc)","human_ref_B":"Offering a regional view-point since I didn't see much of one yet. In Canada 'Engineer', and 'Professional Engineer' are protected titles:    > In Canada 'Engineer' is a protected title, 'In Canada, only those licensed by a provincial or territorial engineering regulator may practise engineering and refer to themselves as an \u201cengineer\u201d. The exclusive use of this title by licensed engineers helps assure the public that only qualified individuals are practicing in the profession. Regulators, whose mandate is to protect the public, have policies, acts, and programs in place that work to ensure that members uphold high standards and ethics in the public interest.'   Engineers Canada.      Some people feel this goes a bit over-kill, Here again has some Canada-specific information.      I'm region-specific, but I do feel that to have a position \/ person with the role of \"XX Engineer\" SHOULD be licensed and regulated; mostly to avoid de-valuing the position as seen by anyone who codes an Android App calling themselves a software engineer. Software engineering to me is the ability to design safety critical applications, such as vehicle control code, and are built in a way that applies engineering principals and rigor, and not just hacked together C code.    I think that the title conveys an inherently more analytical \/ detailed approach to problem solving. Also, in Canada at least, having a P.Eng license gives a mandate to uphold specific guidelines as to protecting the general public. By removing the requirements \/ regulation for that title you open it up to being abused \/ misused.      I'm not trying to say that there aren't machinists \/ developers \/ CNC programmers who absolutely should fit the bill; the challenge will always come down to where do you draw the line? For Canada, in Ontario] (https:\/\/www.peo.on.ca\/licence-applications\/become-professional-engineer\/academic-requirements-non-ceab) I believe there is an option to become an engineer without the degree, but only in very few circumstances, and it still requires a degree of testing to avoid the dilution of the title, and a lot of work experience.      -Not an engineer, but someone with 5+years as a technologist who went back to get an EE degree and is graduating in a few weeks.      EDIT: Thought I'd tack on, for most responsibilities and day-to-day work I don't think there is much difference for the Technologist with 20+ years vs the Engineer in something like electronics design. The difference will be liability; a P.Eng can be held accountable by their licensing board for improper conduct [Ontario Reference, which might be hard-pressed even if they are licensed as a certified technologist.      There is also a seal: > Affixing the seal on documents and drawings indicates they are final for the intended purpose and have been prepared by or under the supervision of a person licensed to practise professional engineering who is assuming responsibility for them. By sealing documents and drawings, licence holders acknowledge that they assume professional responsibility for the design, opinions, judgments or directions given in the documents and drawings.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4801.0,"score_ratio":1.4333333333}
{"post_id":"zi7zu7","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What's the general consensus on people having an Engineering title without having an engineering degree? I (37m) recently received a new title at work of 'Applications Engineer'. I'm a long time CNC machinist and programmer that manages our CAD\/CAM systems. I implement new processes and train folks on both our CAD and CAM platforms. I also write some scripts from time to time with Python, SQL, VBA, and Fanuc Macro B for task that we either want to simplify, automate, or just happens to be complex and would warrant it. I'm relatively proficient at CAD design, even have a product I helped a friend develop on the side which you can buy in Cabela's, Bass Pro Shops, and other big stores of that nature.  That being said, I personally asked for this specific title as it's a role in my industry (CNC Machine Tool Programming) that I want to further my career in. Essentially becoming a subject matter expert for a future company. However, some in my group feel that 'Engineer' in the job title is only for those who have degrees and it's a disservice to those who do have them. They also won't call the only person in our group an 'Engineer' because he's fresh out of school(with a BA in EE) and doesn't have the experience.  So, I want to pose a question to the community, where do you draw the line between Engineer and non-Engineers with regards to titles and duties? Do you make the distinct line for degree holders and non-degree holders?","c_root_id_A":"izqh3sl","c_root_id_B":"izqi3vh","created_at_utc_A":1670724838,"created_at_utc_B":1670725342,"score_A":24,"score_B":43,"human_ref_A":"I think one can practice engineering without being an engineer.  That title should be reserved for degreed engineers.  Just the same as one can practice law without being a lawyer, practice medicine without being a doctor, etc... although those two could get you in trouble legally.","human_ref_B":"Offering a regional view-point since I didn't see much of one yet. In Canada 'Engineer', and 'Professional Engineer' are protected titles:    > In Canada 'Engineer' is a protected title, 'In Canada, only those licensed by a provincial or territorial engineering regulator may practise engineering and refer to themselves as an \u201cengineer\u201d. The exclusive use of this title by licensed engineers helps assure the public that only qualified individuals are practicing in the profession. Regulators, whose mandate is to protect the public, have policies, acts, and programs in place that work to ensure that members uphold high standards and ethics in the public interest.'   Engineers Canada.      Some people feel this goes a bit over-kill, Here again has some Canada-specific information.      I'm region-specific, but I do feel that to have a position \/ person with the role of \"XX Engineer\" SHOULD be licensed and regulated; mostly to avoid de-valuing the position as seen by anyone who codes an Android App calling themselves a software engineer. Software engineering to me is the ability to design safety critical applications, such as vehicle control code, and are built in a way that applies engineering principals and rigor, and not just hacked together C code.    I think that the title conveys an inherently more analytical \/ detailed approach to problem solving. Also, in Canada at least, having a P.Eng license gives a mandate to uphold specific guidelines as to protecting the general public. By removing the requirements \/ regulation for that title you open it up to being abused \/ misused.      I'm not trying to say that there aren't machinists \/ developers \/ CNC programmers who absolutely should fit the bill; the challenge will always come down to where do you draw the line? For Canada, in Ontario] (https:\/\/www.peo.on.ca\/licence-applications\/become-professional-engineer\/academic-requirements-non-ceab) I believe there is an option to become an engineer without the degree, but only in very few circumstances, and it still requires a degree of testing to avoid the dilution of the title, and a lot of work experience.      -Not an engineer, but someone with 5+years as a technologist who went back to get an EE degree and is graduating in a few weeks.      EDIT: Thought I'd tack on, for most responsibilities and day-to-day work I don't think there is much difference for the Technologist with 20+ years vs the Engineer in something like electronics design. The difference will be liability; a P.Eng can be held accountable by their licensing board for improper conduct [Ontario Reference, which might be hard-pressed even if they are licensed as a certified technologist.      There is also a seal: > Affixing the seal on documents and drawings indicates they are final for the intended purpose and have been prepared by or under the supervision of a person licensed to practise professional engineering who is assuming responsibility for them. By sealing documents and drawings, licence holders acknowledge that they assume professional responsibility for the design, opinions, judgments or directions given in the documents and drawings.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":504.0,"score_ratio":1.7916666667}
{"post_id":"zi7zu7","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What's the general consensus on people having an Engineering title without having an engineering degree? I (37m) recently received a new title at work of 'Applications Engineer'. I'm a long time CNC machinist and programmer that manages our CAD\/CAM systems. I implement new processes and train folks on both our CAD and CAM platforms. I also write some scripts from time to time with Python, SQL, VBA, and Fanuc Macro B for task that we either want to simplify, automate, or just happens to be complex and would warrant it. I'm relatively proficient at CAD design, even have a product I helped a friend develop on the side which you can buy in Cabela's, Bass Pro Shops, and other big stores of that nature.  That being said, I personally asked for this specific title as it's a role in my industry (CNC Machine Tool Programming) that I want to further my career in. Essentially becoming a subject matter expert for a future company. However, some in my group feel that 'Engineer' in the job title is only for those who have degrees and it's a disservice to those who do have them. They also won't call the only person in our group an 'Engineer' because he's fresh out of school(with a BA in EE) and doesn't have the experience.  So, I want to pose a question to the community, where do you draw the line between Engineer and non-Engineers with regards to titles and duties? Do you make the distinct line for degree holders and non-degree holders?","c_root_id_A":"izqi3vh","c_root_id_B":"izqfnxo","created_at_utc_A":1670725342,"created_at_utc_B":1670724127,"score_A":43,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"Offering a regional view-point since I didn't see much of one yet. In Canada 'Engineer', and 'Professional Engineer' are protected titles:    > In Canada 'Engineer' is a protected title, 'In Canada, only those licensed by a provincial or territorial engineering regulator may practise engineering and refer to themselves as an \u201cengineer\u201d. The exclusive use of this title by licensed engineers helps assure the public that only qualified individuals are practicing in the profession. Regulators, whose mandate is to protect the public, have policies, acts, and programs in place that work to ensure that members uphold high standards and ethics in the public interest.'   Engineers Canada.      Some people feel this goes a bit over-kill, Here again has some Canada-specific information.      I'm region-specific, but I do feel that to have a position \/ person with the role of \"XX Engineer\" SHOULD be licensed and regulated; mostly to avoid de-valuing the position as seen by anyone who codes an Android App calling themselves a software engineer. Software engineering to me is the ability to design safety critical applications, such as vehicle control code, and are built in a way that applies engineering principals and rigor, and not just hacked together C code.    I think that the title conveys an inherently more analytical \/ detailed approach to problem solving. Also, in Canada at least, having a P.Eng license gives a mandate to uphold specific guidelines as to protecting the general public. By removing the requirements \/ regulation for that title you open it up to being abused \/ misused.      I'm not trying to say that there aren't machinists \/ developers \/ CNC programmers who absolutely should fit the bill; the challenge will always come down to where do you draw the line? For Canada, in Ontario] (https:\/\/www.peo.on.ca\/licence-applications\/become-professional-engineer\/academic-requirements-non-ceab) I believe there is an option to become an engineer without the degree, but only in very few circumstances, and it still requires a degree of testing to avoid the dilution of the title, and a lot of work experience.      -Not an engineer, but someone with 5+years as a technologist who went back to get an EE degree and is graduating in a few weeks.      EDIT: Thought I'd tack on, for most responsibilities and day-to-day work I don't think there is much difference for the Technologist with 20+ years vs the Engineer in something like electronics design. The difference will be liability; a P.Eng can be held accountable by their licensing board for improper conduct [Ontario Reference, which might be hard-pressed even if they are licensed as a certified technologist.      There is also a seal: > Affixing the seal on documents and drawings indicates they are final for the intended purpose and have been prepared by or under the supervision of a person licensed to practise professional engineering who is assuming responsibility for them. By sealing documents and drawings, licence holders acknowledge that they assume professional responsibility for the design, opinions, judgments or directions given in the documents and drawings.","human_ref_B":"Fun debate topic. I actually agree that the title should be reserved, but not based on education. Rather I think it's the accountability and adherence to the engineering code of ethics that makes an engineer.   I think it's a good compromise since I don't think someone fresh out of school deserves the title more than someone with a technologist education but with decades of experience. In Canada both can apply to be PEng which seems fair to me.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1215.0,"score_ratio":2.5294117647}
{"post_id":"zi7zu7","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What's the general consensus on people having an Engineering title without having an engineering degree? I (37m) recently received a new title at work of 'Applications Engineer'. I'm a long time CNC machinist and programmer that manages our CAD\/CAM systems. I implement new processes and train folks on both our CAD and CAM platforms. I also write some scripts from time to time with Python, SQL, VBA, and Fanuc Macro B for task that we either want to simplify, automate, or just happens to be complex and would warrant it. I'm relatively proficient at CAD design, even have a product I helped a friend develop on the side which you can buy in Cabela's, Bass Pro Shops, and other big stores of that nature.  That being said, I personally asked for this specific title as it's a role in my industry (CNC Machine Tool Programming) that I want to further my career in. Essentially becoming a subject matter expert for a future company. However, some in my group feel that 'Engineer' in the job title is only for those who have degrees and it's a disservice to those who do have them. They also won't call the only person in our group an 'Engineer' because he's fresh out of school(with a BA in EE) and doesn't have the experience.  So, I want to pose a question to the community, where do you draw the line between Engineer and non-Engineers with regards to titles and duties? Do you make the distinct line for degree holders and non-degree holders?","c_root_id_A":"izqi3vh","c_root_id_B":"izqgl1q","created_at_utc_A":1670725342,"created_at_utc_B":1670724577,"score_A":43,"score_B":16,"human_ref_A":"Offering a regional view-point since I didn't see much of one yet. In Canada 'Engineer', and 'Professional Engineer' are protected titles:    > In Canada 'Engineer' is a protected title, 'In Canada, only those licensed by a provincial or territorial engineering regulator may practise engineering and refer to themselves as an \u201cengineer\u201d. The exclusive use of this title by licensed engineers helps assure the public that only qualified individuals are practicing in the profession. Regulators, whose mandate is to protect the public, have policies, acts, and programs in place that work to ensure that members uphold high standards and ethics in the public interest.'   Engineers Canada.      Some people feel this goes a bit over-kill, Here again has some Canada-specific information.      I'm region-specific, but I do feel that to have a position \/ person with the role of \"XX Engineer\" SHOULD be licensed and regulated; mostly to avoid de-valuing the position as seen by anyone who codes an Android App calling themselves a software engineer. Software engineering to me is the ability to design safety critical applications, such as vehicle control code, and are built in a way that applies engineering principals and rigor, and not just hacked together C code.    I think that the title conveys an inherently more analytical \/ detailed approach to problem solving. Also, in Canada at least, having a P.Eng license gives a mandate to uphold specific guidelines as to protecting the general public. By removing the requirements \/ regulation for that title you open it up to being abused \/ misused.      I'm not trying to say that there aren't machinists \/ developers \/ CNC programmers who absolutely should fit the bill; the challenge will always come down to where do you draw the line? For Canada, in Ontario] (https:\/\/www.peo.on.ca\/licence-applications\/become-professional-engineer\/academic-requirements-non-ceab) I believe there is an option to become an engineer without the degree, but only in very few circumstances, and it still requires a degree of testing to avoid the dilution of the title, and a lot of work experience.      -Not an engineer, but someone with 5+years as a technologist who went back to get an EE degree and is graduating in a few weeks.      EDIT: Thought I'd tack on, for most responsibilities and day-to-day work I don't think there is much difference for the Technologist with 20+ years vs the Engineer in something like electronics design. The difference will be liability; a P.Eng can be held accountable by their licensing board for improper conduct [Ontario Reference, which might be hard-pressed even if they are licensed as a certified technologist.      There is also a seal: > Affixing the seal on documents and drawings indicates they are final for the intended purpose and have been prepared by or under the supervision of a person licensed to practise professional engineering who is assuming responsibility for them. By sealing documents and drawings, licence holders acknowledge that they assume professional responsibility for the design, opinions, judgments or directions given in the documents and drawings.","human_ref_B":">\tsome in my group feel that \u2018Engineer\u2019 in the job title is only for those who have degrees and it\u2019s a disservice to those who do have them.  common attitude, buuuuut  >\tThey also won\u2019t call the only person in our group an \u2018Engineer\u2019 because he\u2019s fresh out of school(with a BA in EE) and doesn\u2019t have the experience.  lmao. so. is it about the degree, in which case mr bachelor\u2019s in electrical *engineering* is an engineer and should be called such, or is it about the experience, in which case you should? can\u2019t have it both ways  anyway. if you do engineering then you\u2019re an engineer. whether or not you hold a Professional Engineer license is a different matter entirely than if you are a person who does lowercase-e engineering  the real arbiter is this line:  >\tthis specific title as it\u2019s a role in my industry  when the *title of your job* has the E-word in it, you are an engineer. no further quibbling","labels":1,"seconds_difference":765.0,"score_ratio":2.6875}
{"post_id":"zi7zu7","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What's the general consensus on people having an Engineering title without having an engineering degree? I (37m) recently received a new title at work of 'Applications Engineer'. I'm a long time CNC machinist and programmer that manages our CAD\/CAM systems. I implement new processes and train folks on both our CAD and CAM platforms. I also write some scripts from time to time with Python, SQL, VBA, and Fanuc Macro B for task that we either want to simplify, automate, or just happens to be complex and would warrant it. I'm relatively proficient at CAD design, even have a product I helped a friend develop on the side which you can buy in Cabela's, Bass Pro Shops, and other big stores of that nature.  That being said, I personally asked for this specific title as it's a role in my industry (CNC Machine Tool Programming) that I want to further my career in. Essentially becoming a subject matter expert for a future company. However, some in my group feel that 'Engineer' in the job title is only for those who have degrees and it's a disservice to those who do have them. They also won't call the only person in our group an 'Engineer' because he's fresh out of school(with a BA in EE) and doesn't have the experience.  So, I want to pose a question to the community, where do you draw the line between Engineer and non-Engineers with regards to titles and duties? Do you make the distinct line for degree holders and non-degree holders?","c_root_id_A":"izqdqmq","c_root_id_B":"izqi3vh","created_at_utc_A":1670723149,"created_at_utc_B":1670725342,"score_A":15,"score_B":43,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019ve been alternately titled as a field service engineer or a field service technician. I currently and paid better as a technician than I was as an engineer. It seems to come down the task complexity and problem solving skills required. Now I fix 10-15 thermal printers in a day, where before I would spend 2-3 days fixing industrial 3d printers. It helps when the test print takes 0.05 seconds and not 5 hours plus a 3 step post processing to see if you\u2019ve fixed a leaking vacuum line.  I always felt awkward telling people I was a field service engineer. I went to school for 3d modeling and product design, but got into cad, 3d printing and such. I don\u2019t feel like I\u2019ve earned the engineer title through schooling, and the difference between a technician and engineer for field service is gray at best.","human_ref_B":"Offering a regional view-point since I didn't see much of one yet. In Canada 'Engineer', and 'Professional Engineer' are protected titles:    > In Canada 'Engineer' is a protected title, 'In Canada, only those licensed by a provincial or territorial engineering regulator may practise engineering and refer to themselves as an \u201cengineer\u201d. The exclusive use of this title by licensed engineers helps assure the public that only qualified individuals are practicing in the profession. Regulators, whose mandate is to protect the public, have policies, acts, and programs in place that work to ensure that members uphold high standards and ethics in the public interest.'   Engineers Canada.      Some people feel this goes a bit over-kill, Here again has some Canada-specific information.      I'm region-specific, but I do feel that to have a position \/ person with the role of \"XX Engineer\" SHOULD be licensed and regulated; mostly to avoid de-valuing the position as seen by anyone who codes an Android App calling themselves a software engineer. Software engineering to me is the ability to design safety critical applications, such as vehicle control code, and are built in a way that applies engineering principals and rigor, and not just hacked together C code.    I think that the title conveys an inherently more analytical \/ detailed approach to problem solving. Also, in Canada at least, having a P.Eng license gives a mandate to uphold specific guidelines as to protecting the general public. By removing the requirements \/ regulation for that title you open it up to being abused \/ misused.      I'm not trying to say that there aren't machinists \/ developers \/ CNC programmers who absolutely should fit the bill; the challenge will always come down to where do you draw the line? For Canada, in Ontario] (https:\/\/www.peo.on.ca\/licence-applications\/become-professional-engineer\/academic-requirements-non-ceab) I believe there is an option to become an engineer without the degree, but only in very few circumstances, and it still requires a degree of testing to avoid the dilution of the title, and a lot of work experience.      -Not an engineer, but someone with 5+years as a technologist who went back to get an EE degree and is graduating in a few weeks.      EDIT: Thought I'd tack on, for most responsibilities and day-to-day work I don't think there is much difference for the Technologist with 20+ years vs the Engineer in something like electronics design. The difference will be liability; a P.Eng can be held accountable by their licensing board for improper conduct [Ontario Reference, which might be hard-pressed even if they are licensed as a certified technologist.      There is also a seal: > Affixing the seal on documents and drawings indicates they are final for the intended purpose and have been prepared by or under the supervision of a person licensed to practise professional engineering who is assuming responsibility for them. By sealing documents and drawings, licence holders acknowledge that they assume professional responsibility for the design, opinions, judgments or directions given in the documents and drawings.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2193.0,"score_ratio":2.8666666667}
{"post_id":"zi7zu7","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What's the general consensus on people having an Engineering title without having an engineering degree? I (37m) recently received a new title at work of 'Applications Engineer'. I'm a long time CNC machinist and programmer that manages our CAD\/CAM systems. I implement new processes and train folks on both our CAD and CAM platforms. I also write some scripts from time to time with Python, SQL, VBA, and Fanuc Macro B for task that we either want to simplify, automate, or just happens to be complex and would warrant it. I'm relatively proficient at CAD design, even have a product I helped a friend develop on the side which you can buy in Cabela's, Bass Pro Shops, and other big stores of that nature.  That being said, I personally asked for this specific title as it's a role in my industry (CNC Machine Tool Programming) that I want to further my career in. Essentially becoming a subject matter expert for a future company. However, some in my group feel that 'Engineer' in the job title is only for those who have degrees and it's a disservice to those who do have them. They also won't call the only person in our group an 'Engineer' because he's fresh out of school(with a BA in EE) and doesn't have the experience.  So, I want to pose a question to the community, where do you draw the line between Engineer and non-Engineers with regards to titles and duties? Do you make the distinct line for degree holders and non-degree holders?","c_root_id_A":"izqi3vh","c_root_id_B":"izqeg72","created_at_utc_A":1670725342,"created_at_utc_B":1670723510,"score_A":43,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"Offering a regional view-point since I didn't see much of one yet. In Canada 'Engineer', and 'Professional Engineer' are protected titles:    > In Canada 'Engineer' is a protected title, 'In Canada, only those licensed by a provincial or territorial engineering regulator may practise engineering and refer to themselves as an \u201cengineer\u201d. The exclusive use of this title by licensed engineers helps assure the public that only qualified individuals are practicing in the profession. Regulators, whose mandate is to protect the public, have policies, acts, and programs in place that work to ensure that members uphold high standards and ethics in the public interest.'   Engineers Canada.      Some people feel this goes a bit over-kill, Here again has some Canada-specific information.      I'm region-specific, but I do feel that to have a position \/ person with the role of \"XX Engineer\" SHOULD be licensed and regulated; mostly to avoid de-valuing the position as seen by anyone who codes an Android App calling themselves a software engineer. Software engineering to me is the ability to design safety critical applications, such as vehicle control code, and are built in a way that applies engineering principals and rigor, and not just hacked together C code.    I think that the title conveys an inherently more analytical \/ detailed approach to problem solving. Also, in Canada at least, having a P.Eng license gives a mandate to uphold specific guidelines as to protecting the general public. By removing the requirements \/ regulation for that title you open it up to being abused \/ misused.      I'm not trying to say that there aren't machinists \/ developers \/ CNC programmers who absolutely should fit the bill; the challenge will always come down to where do you draw the line? For Canada, in Ontario] (https:\/\/www.peo.on.ca\/licence-applications\/become-professional-engineer\/academic-requirements-non-ceab) I believe there is an option to become an engineer without the degree, but only in very few circumstances, and it still requires a degree of testing to avoid the dilution of the title, and a lot of work experience.      -Not an engineer, but someone with 5+years as a technologist who went back to get an EE degree and is graduating in a few weeks.      EDIT: Thought I'd tack on, for most responsibilities and day-to-day work I don't think there is much difference for the Technologist with 20+ years vs the Engineer in something like electronics design. The difference will be liability; a P.Eng can be held accountable by their licensing board for improper conduct [Ontario Reference, which might be hard-pressed even if they are licensed as a certified technologist.      There is also a seal: > Affixing the seal on documents and drawings indicates they are final for the intended purpose and have been prepared by or under the supervision of a person licensed to practise professional engineering who is assuming responsibility for them. By sealing documents and drawings, licence holders acknowledge that they assume professional responsibility for the design, opinions, judgments or directions given in the documents and drawings.","human_ref_B":"Generally speaking, \u2018Engineer\u2019 is not a protected title, \u2018Professional Engineer\u2019 is a protected title. No one has to call themselves a professional medicial practicioner to differentiate themselves from faux medical practioners because the title of medical practioner is protected and regulated.  There definitely is a push (in my country at least) for \u2018Engineer\u2019 to become a protected title with compulsory registration coming into effect across some states. I am in support of this, it chases out the pretenders who potentially act and advise beyond their competency which in turn brings  a lot of legal risk.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1832.0,"score_ratio":3.9090909091}
{"post_id":"zi7zu7","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What's the general consensus on people having an Engineering title without having an engineering degree? I (37m) recently received a new title at work of 'Applications Engineer'. I'm a long time CNC machinist and programmer that manages our CAD\/CAM systems. I implement new processes and train folks on both our CAD and CAM platforms. I also write some scripts from time to time with Python, SQL, VBA, and Fanuc Macro B for task that we either want to simplify, automate, or just happens to be complex and would warrant it. I'm relatively proficient at CAD design, even have a product I helped a friend develop on the side which you can buy in Cabela's, Bass Pro Shops, and other big stores of that nature.  That being said, I personally asked for this specific title as it's a role in my industry (CNC Machine Tool Programming) that I want to further my career in. Essentially becoming a subject matter expert for a future company. However, some in my group feel that 'Engineer' in the job title is only for those who have degrees and it's a disservice to those who do have them. They also won't call the only person in our group an 'Engineer' because he's fresh out of school(with a BA in EE) and doesn't have the experience.  So, I want to pose a question to the community, where do you draw the line between Engineer and non-Engineers with regards to titles and duties? Do you make the distinct line for degree holders and non-degree holders?","c_root_id_A":"izqi3vh","c_root_id_B":"izqh77z","created_at_utc_A":1670725342,"created_at_utc_B":1670724887,"score_A":43,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"Offering a regional view-point since I didn't see much of one yet. In Canada 'Engineer', and 'Professional Engineer' are protected titles:    > In Canada 'Engineer' is a protected title, 'In Canada, only those licensed by a provincial or territorial engineering regulator may practise engineering and refer to themselves as an \u201cengineer\u201d. The exclusive use of this title by licensed engineers helps assure the public that only qualified individuals are practicing in the profession. Regulators, whose mandate is to protect the public, have policies, acts, and programs in place that work to ensure that members uphold high standards and ethics in the public interest.'   Engineers Canada.      Some people feel this goes a bit over-kill, Here again has some Canada-specific information.      I'm region-specific, but I do feel that to have a position \/ person with the role of \"XX Engineer\" SHOULD be licensed and regulated; mostly to avoid de-valuing the position as seen by anyone who codes an Android App calling themselves a software engineer. Software engineering to me is the ability to design safety critical applications, such as vehicle control code, and are built in a way that applies engineering principals and rigor, and not just hacked together C code.    I think that the title conveys an inherently more analytical \/ detailed approach to problem solving. Also, in Canada at least, having a P.Eng license gives a mandate to uphold specific guidelines as to protecting the general public. By removing the requirements \/ regulation for that title you open it up to being abused \/ misused.      I'm not trying to say that there aren't machinists \/ developers \/ CNC programmers who absolutely should fit the bill; the challenge will always come down to where do you draw the line? For Canada, in Ontario] (https:\/\/www.peo.on.ca\/licence-applications\/become-professional-engineer\/academic-requirements-non-ceab) I believe there is an option to become an engineer without the degree, but only in very few circumstances, and it still requires a degree of testing to avoid the dilution of the title, and a lot of work experience.      -Not an engineer, but someone with 5+years as a technologist who went back to get an EE degree and is graduating in a few weeks.      EDIT: Thought I'd tack on, for most responsibilities and day-to-day work I don't think there is much difference for the Technologist with 20+ years vs the Engineer in something like electronics design. The difference will be liability; a P.Eng can be held accountable by their licensing board for improper conduct [Ontario Reference, which might be hard-pressed even if they are licensed as a certified technologist.      There is also a seal: > Affixing the seal on documents and drawings indicates they are final for the intended purpose and have been prepared by or under the supervision of a person licensed to practise professional engineering who is assuming responsibility for them. By sealing documents and drawings, licence holders acknowledge that they assume professional responsibility for the design, opinions, judgments or directions given in the documents and drawings.","human_ref_B":"Eh, I don\u2019t know.  There are plenty of people with degrees who can\u2019t engineer jack.  There are plenty of people without degrees who can build useful things.  But, out of all the people I\u2019ve met who truly *understand* what they\u2019re engineering, there\u2019s maybe only 1 who didn\u2019t have a degree.  So, take of that what you will.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":455.0,"score_ratio":5.375}
{"post_id":"zi7zu7","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What's the general consensus on people having an Engineering title without having an engineering degree? I (37m) recently received a new title at work of 'Applications Engineer'. I'm a long time CNC machinist and programmer that manages our CAD\/CAM systems. I implement new processes and train folks on both our CAD and CAM platforms. I also write some scripts from time to time with Python, SQL, VBA, and Fanuc Macro B for task that we either want to simplify, automate, or just happens to be complex and would warrant it. I'm relatively proficient at CAD design, even have a product I helped a friend develop on the side which you can buy in Cabela's, Bass Pro Shops, and other big stores of that nature.  That being said, I personally asked for this specific title as it's a role in my industry (CNC Machine Tool Programming) that I want to further my career in. Essentially becoming a subject matter expert for a future company. However, some in my group feel that 'Engineer' in the job title is only for those who have degrees and it's a disservice to those who do have them. They also won't call the only person in our group an 'Engineer' because he's fresh out of school(with a BA in EE) and doesn't have the experience.  So, I want to pose a question to the community, where do you draw the line between Engineer and non-Engineers with regards to titles and duties? Do you make the distinct line for degree holders and non-degree holders?","c_root_id_A":"izqi3vh","c_root_id_B":"izqhu35","created_at_utc_A":1670725342,"created_at_utc_B":1670725208,"score_A":43,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"Offering a regional view-point since I didn't see much of one yet. In Canada 'Engineer', and 'Professional Engineer' are protected titles:    > In Canada 'Engineer' is a protected title, 'In Canada, only those licensed by a provincial or territorial engineering regulator may practise engineering and refer to themselves as an \u201cengineer\u201d. The exclusive use of this title by licensed engineers helps assure the public that only qualified individuals are practicing in the profession. Regulators, whose mandate is to protect the public, have policies, acts, and programs in place that work to ensure that members uphold high standards and ethics in the public interest.'   Engineers Canada.      Some people feel this goes a bit over-kill, Here again has some Canada-specific information.      I'm region-specific, but I do feel that to have a position \/ person with the role of \"XX Engineer\" SHOULD be licensed and regulated; mostly to avoid de-valuing the position as seen by anyone who codes an Android App calling themselves a software engineer. Software engineering to me is the ability to design safety critical applications, such as vehicle control code, and are built in a way that applies engineering principals and rigor, and not just hacked together C code.    I think that the title conveys an inherently more analytical \/ detailed approach to problem solving. Also, in Canada at least, having a P.Eng license gives a mandate to uphold specific guidelines as to protecting the general public. By removing the requirements \/ regulation for that title you open it up to being abused \/ misused.      I'm not trying to say that there aren't machinists \/ developers \/ CNC programmers who absolutely should fit the bill; the challenge will always come down to where do you draw the line? For Canada, in Ontario] (https:\/\/www.peo.on.ca\/licence-applications\/become-professional-engineer\/academic-requirements-non-ceab) I believe there is an option to become an engineer without the degree, but only in very few circumstances, and it still requires a degree of testing to avoid the dilution of the title, and a lot of work experience.      -Not an engineer, but someone with 5+years as a technologist who went back to get an EE degree and is graduating in a few weeks.      EDIT: Thought I'd tack on, for most responsibilities and day-to-day work I don't think there is much difference for the Technologist with 20+ years vs the Engineer in something like electronics design. The difference will be liability; a P.Eng can be held accountable by their licensing board for improper conduct [Ontario Reference, which might be hard-pressed even if they are licensed as a certified technologist.      There is also a seal: > Affixing the seal on documents and drawings indicates they are final for the intended purpose and have been prepared by or under the supervision of a person licensed to practise professional engineering who is assuming responsibility for them. By sealing documents and drawings, licence holders acknowledge that they assume professional responsibility for the design, opinions, judgments or directions given in the documents and drawings.","human_ref_B":"Not an engineer  There are no engineering apprenticeships any more.   Doing cad\/solid works etc is not engineering. Using the tools of that trade doesn\u2019t make you that thing. I can twist wires together and put new lights, outlets etc all day but I\u2019m not an electrician. I could probably make my way around some machinist tools but wouldnt call myself a machinist  Degree is now the only path. If you got a engineering job without a degree, good chance you are not really engineering and anyone can do what u do. (Probably means underpaid too)","labels":1,"seconds_difference":134.0,"score_ratio":5.375}
{"post_id":"zi7zu7","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What's the general consensus on people having an Engineering title without having an engineering degree? I (37m) recently received a new title at work of 'Applications Engineer'. I'm a long time CNC machinist and programmer that manages our CAD\/CAM systems. I implement new processes and train folks on both our CAD and CAM platforms. I also write some scripts from time to time with Python, SQL, VBA, and Fanuc Macro B for task that we either want to simplify, automate, or just happens to be complex and would warrant it. I'm relatively proficient at CAD design, even have a product I helped a friend develop on the side which you can buy in Cabela's, Bass Pro Shops, and other big stores of that nature.  That being said, I personally asked for this specific title as it's a role in my industry (CNC Machine Tool Programming) that I want to further my career in. Essentially becoming a subject matter expert for a future company. However, some in my group feel that 'Engineer' in the job title is only for those who have degrees and it's a disservice to those who do have them. They also won't call the only person in our group an 'Engineer' because he's fresh out of school(with a BA in EE) and doesn't have the experience.  So, I want to pose a question to the community, where do you draw the line between Engineer and non-Engineers with regards to titles and duties? Do you make the distinct line for degree holders and non-degree holders?","c_root_id_A":"izq8l3s","c_root_id_B":"izq9s3m","created_at_utc_A":1670720541,"created_at_utc_B":1670721148,"score_A":30,"score_B":32,"human_ref_A":"There isn't concensus because there is so much grey. Ask yourself: am I doing engineering work? Am I applying the scientific method and the appropriate theories to ensure the success of my assigned task? If not, then I would say no, you're doing something else.   When it comes to the \"grading\", I tend to favour the \"round up\" approach, so if the answer is around 50%, aye, your an engineer, just in one of those strange jobs where you have other non-engineering task (finance, HR, logistics, etc etc)","human_ref_B":"You won\u2019t get a general consensus on Reddit.  Edit- this is not to say a consensus does not exist. But the real answer is not in Reddit anecdotes.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":607.0,"score_ratio":1.0666666667}
{"post_id":"zi7zu7","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What's the general consensus on people having an Engineering title without having an engineering degree? I (37m) recently received a new title at work of 'Applications Engineer'. I'm a long time CNC machinist and programmer that manages our CAD\/CAM systems. I implement new processes and train folks on both our CAD and CAM platforms. I also write some scripts from time to time with Python, SQL, VBA, and Fanuc Macro B for task that we either want to simplify, automate, or just happens to be complex and would warrant it. I'm relatively proficient at CAD design, even have a product I helped a friend develop on the side which you can buy in Cabela's, Bass Pro Shops, and other big stores of that nature.  That being said, I personally asked for this specific title as it's a role in my industry (CNC Machine Tool Programming) that I want to further my career in. Essentially becoming a subject matter expert for a future company. However, some in my group feel that 'Engineer' in the job title is only for those who have degrees and it's a disservice to those who do have them. They also won't call the only person in our group an 'Engineer' because he's fresh out of school(with a BA in EE) and doesn't have the experience.  So, I want to pose a question to the community, where do you draw the line between Engineer and non-Engineers with regards to titles and duties? Do you make the distinct line for degree holders and non-degree holders?","c_root_id_A":"izqfnxo","c_root_id_B":"izqh3sl","created_at_utc_A":1670724127,"created_at_utc_B":1670724838,"score_A":17,"score_B":24,"human_ref_A":"Fun debate topic. I actually agree that the title should be reserved, but not based on education. Rather I think it's the accountability and adherence to the engineering code of ethics that makes an engineer.   I think it's a good compromise since I don't think someone fresh out of school deserves the title more than someone with a technologist education but with decades of experience. In Canada both can apply to be PEng which seems fair to me.","human_ref_B":"I think one can practice engineering without being an engineer.  That title should be reserved for degreed engineers.  Just the same as one can practice law without being a lawyer, practice medicine without being a doctor, etc... although those two could get you in trouble legally.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":711.0,"score_ratio":1.4117647059}
{"post_id":"zi7zu7","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What's the general consensus on people having an Engineering title without having an engineering degree? I (37m) recently received a new title at work of 'Applications Engineer'. I'm a long time CNC machinist and programmer that manages our CAD\/CAM systems. I implement new processes and train folks on both our CAD and CAM platforms. I also write some scripts from time to time with Python, SQL, VBA, and Fanuc Macro B for task that we either want to simplify, automate, or just happens to be complex and would warrant it. I'm relatively proficient at CAD design, even have a product I helped a friend develop on the side which you can buy in Cabela's, Bass Pro Shops, and other big stores of that nature.  That being said, I personally asked for this specific title as it's a role in my industry (CNC Machine Tool Programming) that I want to further my career in. Essentially becoming a subject matter expert for a future company. However, some in my group feel that 'Engineer' in the job title is only for those who have degrees and it's a disservice to those who do have them. They also won't call the only person in our group an 'Engineer' because he's fresh out of school(with a BA in EE) and doesn't have the experience.  So, I want to pose a question to the community, where do you draw the line between Engineer and non-Engineers with regards to titles and duties? Do you make the distinct line for degree holders and non-degree holders?","c_root_id_A":"izqgl1q","c_root_id_B":"izqh3sl","created_at_utc_A":1670724577,"created_at_utc_B":1670724838,"score_A":16,"score_B":24,"human_ref_A":">\tsome in my group feel that \u2018Engineer\u2019 in the job title is only for those who have degrees and it\u2019s a disservice to those who do have them.  common attitude, buuuuut  >\tThey also won\u2019t call the only person in our group an \u2018Engineer\u2019 because he\u2019s fresh out of school(with a BA in EE) and doesn\u2019t have the experience.  lmao. so. is it about the degree, in which case mr bachelor\u2019s in electrical *engineering* is an engineer and should be called such, or is it about the experience, in which case you should? can\u2019t have it both ways  anyway. if you do engineering then you\u2019re an engineer. whether or not you hold a Professional Engineer license is a different matter entirely than if you are a person who does lowercase-e engineering  the real arbiter is this line:  >\tthis specific title as it\u2019s a role in my industry  when the *title of your job* has the E-word in it, you are an engineer. no further quibbling","human_ref_B":"I think one can practice engineering without being an engineer.  That title should be reserved for degreed engineers.  Just the same as one can practice law without being a lawyer, practice medicine without being a doctor, etc... although those two could get you in trouble legally.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":261.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"zi7zu7","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What's the general consensus on people having an Engineering title without having an engineering degree? I (37m) recently received a new title at work of 'Applications Engineer'. I'm a long time CNC machinist and programmer that manages our CAD\/CAM systems. I implement new processes and train folks on both our CAD and CAM platforms. I also write some scripts from time to time with Python, SQL, VBA, and Fanuc Macro B for task that we either want to simplify, automate, or just happens to be complex and would warrant it. I'm relatively proficient at CAD design, even have a product I helped a friend develop on the side which you can buy in Cabela's, Bass Pro Shops, and other big stores of that nature.  That being said, I personally asked for this specific title as it's a role in my industry (CNC Machine Tool Programming) that I want to further my career in. Essentially becoming a subject matter expert for a future company. However, some in my group feel that 'Engineer' in the job title is only for those who have degrees and it's a disservice to those who do have them. They also won't call the only person in our group an 'Engineer' because he's fresh out of school(with a BA in EE) and doesn't have the experience.  So, I want to pose a question to the community, where do you draw the line between Engineer and non-Engineers with regards to titles and duties? Do you make the distinct line for degree holders and non-degree holders?","c_root_id_A":"izqh3sl","c_root_id_B":"izqdqmq","created_at_utc_A":1670724838,"created_at_utc_B":1670723149,"score_A":24,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"I think one can practice engineering without being an engineer.  That title should be reserved for degreed engineers.  Just the same as one can practice law without being a lawyer, practice medicine without being a doctor, etc... although those two could get you in trouble legally.","human_ref_B":"I\u2019ve been alternately titled as a field service engineer or a field service technician. I currently and paid better as a technician than I was as an engineer. It seems to come down the task complexity and problem solving skills required. Now I fix 10-15 thermal printers in a day, where before I would spend 2-3 days fixing industrial 3d printers. It helps when the test print takes 0.05 seconds and not 5 hours plus a 3 step post processing to see if you\u2019ve fixed a leaking vacuum line.  I always felt awkward telling people I was a field service engineer. I went to school for 3d modeling and product design, but got into cad, 3d printing and such. I don\u2019t feel like I\u2019ve earned the engineer title through schooling, and the difference between a technician and engineer for field service is gray at best.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1689.0,"score_ratio":1.6}
{"post_id":"zi7zu7","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What's the general consensus on people having an Engineering title without having an engineering degree? I (37m) recently received a new title at work of 'Applications Engineer'. I'm a long time CNC machinist and programmer that manages our CAD\/CAM systems. I implement new processes and train folks on both our CAD and CAM platforms. I also write some scripts from time to time with Python, SQL, VBA, and Fanuc Macro B for task that we either want to simplify, automate, or just happens to be complex and would warrant it. I'm relatively proficient at CAD design, even have a product I helped a friend develop on the side which you can buy in Cabela's, Bass Pro Shops, and other big stores of that nature.  That being said, I personally asked for this specific title as it's a role in my industry (CNC Machine Tool Programming) that I want to further my career in. Essentially becoming a subject matter expert for a future company. However, some in my group feel that 'Engineer' in the job title is only for those who have degrees and it's a disservice to those who do have them. They also won't call the only person in our group an 'Engineer' because he's fresh out of school(with a BA in EE) and doesn't have the experience.  So, I want to pose a question to the community, where do you draw the line between Engineer and non-Engineers with regards to titles and duties? Do you make the distinct line for degree holders and non-degree holders?","c_root_id_A":"izqh3sl","c_root_id_B":"izqeg72","created_at_utc_A":1670724838,"created_at_utc_B":1670723510,"score_A":24,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"I think one can practice engineering without being an engineer.  That title should be reserved for degreed engineers.  Just the same as one can practice law without being a lawyer, practice medicine without being a doctor, etc... although those two could get you in trouble legally.","human_ref_B":"Generally speaking, \u2018Engineer\u2019 is not a protected title, \u2018Professional Engineer\u2019 is a protected title. No one has to call themselves a professional medicial practicioner to differentiate themselves from faux medical practioners because the title of medical practioner is protected and regulated.  There definitely is a push (in my country at least) for \u2018Engineer\u2019 to become a protected title with compulsory registration coming into effect across some states. I am in support of this, it chases out the pretenders who potentially act and advise beyond their competency which in turn brings  a lot of legal risk.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1328.0,"score_ratio":2.1818181818}
{"post_id":"zi7zu7","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What's the general consensus on people having an Engineering title without having an engineering degree? I (37m) recently received a new title at work of 'Applications Engineer'. I'm a long time CNC machinist and programmer that manages our CAD\/CAM systems. I implement new processes and train folks on both our CAD and CAM platforms. I also write some scripts from time to time with Python, SQL, VBA, and Fanuc Macro B for task that we either want to simplify, automate, or just happens to be complex and would warrant it. I'm relatively proficient at CAD design, even have a product I helped a friend develop on the side which you can buy in Cabela's, Bass Pro Shops, and other big stores of that nature.  That being said, I personally asked for this specific title as it's a role in my industry (CNC Machine Tool Programming) that I want to further my career in. Essentially becoming a subject matter expert for a future company. However, some in my group feel that 'Engineer' in the job title is only for those who have degrees and it's a disservice to those who do have them. They also won't call the only person in our group an 'Engineer' because he's fresh out of school(with a BA in EE) and doesn't have the experience.  So, I want to pose a question to the community, where do you draw the line between Engineer and non-Engineers with regards to titles and duties? Do you make the distinct line for degree holders and non-degree holders?","c_root_id_A":"izqfnxo","c_root_id_B":"izqpm6b","created_at_utc_A":1670724127,"created_at_utc_B":1670729269,"score_A":17,"score_B":21,"human_ref_A":"Fun debate topic. I actually agree that the title should be reserved, but not based on education. Rather I think it's the accountability and adherence to the engineering code of ethics that makes an engineer.   I think it's a good compromise since I don't think someone fresh out of school deserves the title more than someone with a technologist education but with decades of experience. In Canada both can apply to be PEng which seems fair to me.","human_ref_B":"Surprised the mods haven\u2019t come by to shut this down yet. They don\u2019t allow \u201cgeneral\u201d questions, but their definition of what is allowed is about as loose as an O-ring on the Challenger.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5142.0,"score_ratio":1.2352941176}
{"post_id":"zi7zu7","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What's the general consensus on people having an Engineering title without having an engineering degree? I (37m) recently received a new title at work of 'Applications Engineer'. I'm a long time CNC machinist and programmer that manages our CAD\/CAM systems. I implement new processes and train folks on both our CAD and CAM platforms. I also write some scripts from time to time with Python, SQL, VBA, and Fanuc Macro B for task that we either want to simplify, automate, or just happens to be complex and would warrant it. I'm relatively proficient at CAD design, even have a product I helped a friend develop on the side which you can buy in Cabela's, Bass Pro Shops, and other big stores of that nature.  That being said, I personally asked for this specific title as it's a role in my industry (CNC Machine Tool Programming) that I want to further my career in. Essentially becoming a subject matter expert for a future company. However, some in my group feel that 'Engineer' in the job title is only for those who have degrees and it's a disservice to those who do have them. They also won't call the only person in our group an 'Engineer' because he's fresh out of school(with a BA in EE) and doesn't have the experience.  So, I want to pose a question to the community, where do you draw the line between Engineer and non-Engineers with regards to titles and duties? Do you make the distinct line for degree holders and non-degree holders?","c_root_id_A":"izqgl1q","c_root_id_B":"izqpm6b","created_at_utc_A":1670724577,"created_at_utc_B":1670729269,"score_A":16,"score_B":21,"human_ref_A":">\tsome in my group feel that \u2018Engineer\u2019 in the job title is only for those who have degrees and it\u2019s a disservice to those who do have them.  common attitude, buuuuut  >\tThey also won\u2019t call the only person in our group an \u2018Engineer\u2019 because he\u2019s fresh out of school(with a BA in EE) and doesn\u2019t have the experience.  lmao. so. is it about the degree, in which case mr bachelor\u2019s in electrical *engineering* is an engineer and should be called such, or is it about the experience, in which case you should? can\u2019t have it both ways  anyway. if you do engineering then you\u2019re an engineer. whether or not you hold a Professional Engineer license is a different matter entirely than if you are a person who does lowercase-e engineering  the real arbiter is this line:  >\tthis specific title as it\u2019s a role in my industry  when the *title of your job* has the E-word in it, you are an engineer. no further quibbling","human_ref_B":"Surprised the mods haven\u2019t come by to shut this down yet. They don\u2019t allow \u201cgeneral\u201d questions, but their definition of what is allowed is about as loose as an O-ring on the Challenger.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4692.0,"score_ratio":1.3125}
{"post_id":"zi7zu7","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What's the general consensus on people having an Engineering title without having an engineering degree? I (37m) recently received a new title at work of 'Applications Engineer'. I'm a long time CNC machinist and programmer that manages our CAD\/CAM systems. I implement new processes and train folks on both our CAD and CAM platforms. I also write some scripts from time to time with Python, SQL, VBA, and Fanuc Macro B for task that we either want to simplify, automate, or just happens to be complex and would warrant it. I'm relatively proficient at CAD design, even have a product I helped a friend develop on the side which you can buy in Cabela's, Bass Pro Shops, and other big stores of that nature.  That being said, I personally asked for this specific title as it's a role in my industry (CNC Machine Tool Programming) that I want to further my career in. Essentially becoming a subject matter expert for a future company. However, some in my group feel that 'Engineer' in the job title is only for those who have degrees and it's a disservice to those who do have them. They also won't call the only person in our group an 'Engineer' because he's fresh out of school(with a BA in EE) and doesn't have the experience.  So, I want to pose a question to the community, where do you draw the line between Engineer and non-Engineers with regards to titles and duties? Do you make the distinct line for degree holders and non-degree holders?","c_root_id_A":"izqdqmq","c_root_id_B":"izqpm6b","created_at_utc_A":1670723149,"created_at_utc_B":1670729269,"score_A":15,"score_B":21,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019ve been alternately titled as a field service engineer or a field service technician. I currently and paid better as a technician than I was as an engineer. It seems to come down the task complexity and problem solving skills required. Now I fix 10-15 thermal printers in a day, where before I would spend 2-3 days fixing industrial 3d printers. It helps when the test print takes 0.05 seconds and not 5 hours plus a 3 step post processing to see if you\u2019ve fixed a leaking vacuum line.  I always felt awkward telling people I was a field service engineer. I went to school for 3d modeling and product design, but got into cad, 3d printing and such. I don\u2019t feel like I\u2019ve earned the engineer title through schooling, and the difference between a technician and engineer for field service is gray at best.","human_ref_B":"Surprised the mods haven\u2019t come by to shut this down yet. They don\u2019t allow \u201cgeneral\u201d questions, but their definition of what is allowed is about as loose as an O-ring on the Challenger.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6120.0,"score_ratio":1.4}
{"post_id":"zi7zu7","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What's the general consensus on people having an Engineering title without having an engineering degree? I (37m) recently received a new title at work of 'Applications Engineer'. I'm a long time CNC machinist and programmer that manages our CAD\/CAM systems. I implement new processes and train folks on both our CAD and CAM platforms. I also write some scripts from time to time with Python, SQL, VBA, and Fanuc Macro B for task that we either want to simplify, automate, or just happens to be complex and would warrant it. I'm relatively proficient at CAD design, even have a product I helped a friend develop on the side which you can buy in Cabela's, Bass Pro Shops, and other big stores of that nature.  That being said, I personally asked for this specific title as it's a role in my industry (CNC Machine Tool Programming) that I want to further my career in. Essentially becoming a subject matter expert for a future company. However, some in my group feel that 'Engineer' in the job title is only for those who have degrees and it's a disservice to those who do have them. They also won't call the only person in our group an 'Engineer' because he's fresh out of school(with a BA in EE) and doesn't have the experience.  So, I want to pose a question to the community, where do you draw the line between Engineer and non-Engineers with regards to titles and duties? Do you make the distinct line for degree holders and non-degree holders?","c_root_id_A":"izqeg72","c_root_id_B":"izqpm6b","created_at_utc_A":1670723510,"created_at_utc_B":1670729269,"score_A":11,"score_B":21,"human_ref_A":"Generally speaking, \u2018Engineer\u2019 is not a protected title, \u2018Professional Engineer\u2019 is a protected title. No one has to call themselves a professional medicial practicioner to differentiate themselves from faux medical practioners because the title of medical practioner is protected and regulated.  There definitely is a push (in my country at least) for \u2018Engineer\u2019 to become a protected title with compulsory registration coming into effect across some states. I am in support of this, it chases out the pretenders who potentially act and advise beyond their competency which in turn brings  a lot of legal risk.","human_ref_B":"Surprised the mods haven\u2019t come by to shut this down yet. They don\u2019t allow \u201cgeneral\u201d questions, but their definition of what is allowed is about as loose as an O-ring on the Challenger.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5759.0,"score_ratio":1.9090909091}
{"post_id":"zi7zu7","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What's the general consensus on people having an Engineering title without having an engineering degree? I (37m) recently received a new title at work of 'Applications Engineer'. I'm a long time CNC machinist and programmer that manages our CAD\/CAM systems. I implement new processes and train folks on both our CAD and CAM platforms. I also write some scripts from time to time with Python, SQL, VBA, and Fanuc Macro B for task that we either want to simplify, automate, or just happens to be complex and would warrant it. I'm relatively proficient at CAD design, even have a product I helped a friend develop on the side which you can buy in Cabela's, Bass Pro Shops, and other big stores of that nature.  That being said, I personally asked for this specific title as it's a role in my industry (CNC Machine Tool Programming) that I want to further my career in. Essentially becoming a subject matter expert for a future company. However, some in my group feel that 'Engineer' in the job title is only for those who have degrees and it's a disservice to those who do have them. They also won't call the only person in our group an 'Engineer' because he's fresh out of school(with a BA in EE) and doesn't have the experience.  So, I want to pose a question to the community, where do you draw the line between Engineer and non-Engineers with regards to titles and duties? Do you make the distinct line for degree holders and non-degree holders?","c_root_id_A":"izqjgna","c_root_id_B":"izqpm6b","created_at_utc_A":1670726033,"created_at_utc_B":1670729269,"score_A":12,"score_B":21,"human_ref_A":"An Engineer is someone who has an accredited engineering degree with experience as well.  That's where I would draw the line.","human_ref_B":"Surprised the mods haven\u2019t come by to shut this down yet. They don\u2019t allow \u201cgeneral\u201d questions, but their definition of what is allowed is about as loose as an O-ring on the Challenger.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3236.0,"score_ratio":1.75}
{"post_id":"zi7zu7","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What's the general consensus on people having an Engineering title without having an engineering degree? I (37m) recently received a new title at work of 'Applications Engineer'. I'm a long time CNC machinist and programmer that manages our CAD\/CAM systems. I implement new processes and train folks on both our CAD and CAM platforms. I also write some scripts from time to time with Python, SQL, VBA, and Fanuc Macro B for task that we either want to simplify, automate, or just happens to be complex and would warrant it. I'm relatively proficient at CAD design, even have a product I helped a friend develop on the side which you can buy in Cabela's, Bass Pro Shops, and other big stores of that nature.  That being said, I personally asked for this specific title as it's a role in my industry (CNC Machine Tool Programming) that I want to further my career in. Essentially becoming a subject matter expert for a future company. However, some in my group feel that 'Engineer' in the job title is only for those who have degrees and it's a disservice to those who do have them. They also won't call the only person in our group an 'Engineer' because he's fresh out of school(with a BA in EE) and doesn't have the experience.  So, I want to pose a question to the community, where do you draw the line between Engineer and non-Engineers with regards to titles and duties? Do you make the distinct line for degree holders and non-degree holders?","c_root_id_A":"izqpjr2","c_root_id_B":"izqpm6b","created_at_utc_A":1670729234,"created_at_utc_B":1670729269,"score_A":11,"score_B":21,"human_ref_A":"In my opinion, you can\u2019t be an engineer without the degree and work experience.   My first job out of college had a \u201cengineering\u201d manager who only had a draftsmen degree. There were quite a few things he didn\u2019t know how to solve mathematically or applying the appropriate equations. In fact, him and the other draftsmen didn\u2019t apply any stress analysis to their designs. It was quite depressing. I got out of the company as soon as possible.","human_ref_B":"Surprised the mods haven\u2019t come by to shut this down yet. They don\u2019t allow \u201cgeneral\u201d questions, but their definition of what is allowed is about as loose as an O-ring on the Challenger.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":35.0,"score_ratio":1.9090909091}
{"post_id":"zi7zu7","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What's the general consensus on people having an Engineering title without having an engineering degree? I (37m) recently received a new title at work of 'Applications Engineer'. I'm a long time CNC machinist and programmer that manages our CAD\/CAM systems. I implement new processes and train folks on both our CAD and CAM platforms. I also write some scripts from time to time with Python, SQL, VBA, and Fanuc Macro B for task that we either want to simplify, automate, or just happens to be complex and would warrant it. I'm relatively proficient at CAD design, even have a product I helped a friend develop on the side which you can buy in Cabela's, Bass Pro Shops, and other big stores of that nature.  That being said, I personally asked for this specific title as it's a role in my industry (CNC Machine Tool Programming) that I want to further my career in. Essentially becoming a subject matter expert for a future company. However, some in my group feel that 'Engineer' in the job title is only for those who have degrees and it's a disservice to those who do have them. They also won't call the only person in our group an 'Engineer' because he's fresh out of school(with a BA in EE) and doesn't have the experience.  So, I want to pose a question to the community, where do you draw the line between Engineer and non-Engineers with regards to titles and duties? Do you make the distinct line for degree holders and non-degree holders?","c_root_id_A":"izqh77z","c_root_id_B":"izqpm6b","created_at_utc_A":1670724887,"created_at_utc_B":1670729269,"score_A":8,"score_B":21,"human_ref_A":"Eh, I don\u2019t know.  There are plenty of people with degrees who can\u2019t engineer jack.  There are plenty of people without degrees who can build useful things.  But, out of all the people I\u2019ve met who truly *understand* what they\u2019re engineering, there\u2019s maybe only 1 who didn\u2019t have a degree.  So, take of that what you will.","human_ref_B":"Surprised the mods haven\u2019t come by to shut this down yet. They don\u2019t allow \u201cgeneral\u201d questions, but their definition of what is allowed is about as loose as an O-ring on the Challenger.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4382.0,"score_ratio":2.625}
{"post_id":"zi7zu7","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What's the general consensus on people having an Engineering title without having an engineering degree? I (37m) recently received a new title at work of 'Applications Engineer'. I'm a long time CNC machinist and programmer that manages our CAD\/CAM systems. I implement new processes and train folks on both our CAD and CAM platforms. I also write some scripts from time to time with Python, SQL, VBA, and Fanuc Macro B for task that we either want to simplify, automate, or just happens to be complex and would warrant it. I'm relatively proficient at CAD design, even have a product I helped a friend develop on the side which you can buy in Cabela's, Bass Pro Shops, and other big stores of that nature.  That being said, I personally asked for this specific title as it's a role in my industry (CNC Machine Tool Programming) that I want to further my career in. Essentially becoming a subject matter expert for a future company. However, some in my group feel that 'Engineer' in the job title is only for those who have degrees and it's a disservice to those who do have them. They also won't call the only person in our group an 'Engineer' because he's fresh out of school(with a BA in EE) and doesn't have the experience.  So, I want to pose a question to the community, where do you draw the line between Engineer and non-Engineers with regards to titles and duties? Do you make the distinct line for degree holders and non-degree holders?","c_root_id_A":"izqpm6b","c_root_id_B":"izqhu35","created_at_utc_A":1670729269,"created_at_utc_B":1670725208,"score_A":21,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"Surprised the mods haven\u2019t come by to shut this down yet. They don\u2019t allow \u201cgeneral\u201d questions, but their definition of what is allowed is about as loose as an O-ring on the Challenger.","human_ref_B":"Not an engineer  There are no engineering apprenticeships any more.   Doing cad\/solid works etc is not engineering. Using the tools of that trade doesn\u2019t make you that thing. I can twist wires together and put new lights, outlets etc all day but I\u2019m not an electrician. I could probably make my way around some machinist tools but wouldnt call myself a machinist  Degree is now the only path. If you got a engineering job without a degree, good chance you are not really engineering and anyone can do what u do. (Probably means underpaid too)","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4061.0,"score_ratio":2.625}
{"post_id":"zi7zu7","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What's the general consensus on people having an Engineering title without having an engineering degree? I (37m) recently received a new title at work of 'Applications Engineer'. I'm a long time CNC machinist and programmer that manages our CAD\/CAM systems. I implement new processes and train folks on both our CAD and CAM platforms. I also write some scripts from time to time with Python, SQL, VBA, and Fanuc Macro B for task that we either want to simplify, automate, or just happens to be complex and would warrant it. I'm relatively proficient at CAD design, even have a product I helped a friend develop on the side which you can buy in Cabela's, Bass Pro Shops, and other big stores of that nature.  That being said, I personally asked for this specific title as it's a role in my industry (CNC Machine Tool Programming) that I want to further my career in. Essentially becoming a subject matter expert for a future company. However, some in my group feel that 'Engineer' in the job title is only for those who have degrees and it's a disservice to those who do have them. They also won't call the only person in our group an 'Engineer' because he's fresh out of school(with a BA in EE) and doesn't have the experience.  So, I want to pose a question to the community, where do you draw the line between Engineer and non-Engineers with regards to titles and duties? Do you make the distinct line for degree holders and non-degree holders?","c_root_id_A":"izqpm6b","c_root_id_B":"izqm3xt","created_at_utc_A":1670729269,"created_at_utc_B":1670727387,"score_A":21,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Surprised the mods haven\u2019t come by to shut this down yet. They don\u2019t allow \u201cgeneral\u201d questions, but their definition of what is allowed is about as loose as an O-ring on the Challenger.","human_ref_B":"I have an Advanced Diploma in Engineering, work as a Fire Safety Engineer, yet I don\u2019t refer to myself as an engineer as I don\u2019t t have a bachelors degree in engineering.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1882.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"zi7zu7","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What's the general consensus on people having an Engineering title without having an engineering degree? I (37m) recently received a new title at work of 'Applications Engineer'. I'm a long time CNC machinist and programmer that manages our CAD\/CAM systems. I implement new processes and train folks on both our CAD and CAM platforms. I also write some scripts from time to time with Python, SQL, VBA, and Fanuc Macro B for task that we either want to simplify, automate, or just happens to be complex and would warrant it. I'm relatively proficient at CAD design, even have a product I helped a friend develop on the side which you can buy in Cabela's, Bass Pro Shops, and other big stores of that nature.  That being said, I personally asked for this specific title as it's a role in my industry (CNC Machine Tool Programming) that I want to further my career in. Essentially becoming a subject matter expert for a future company. However, some in my group feel that 'Engineer' in the job title is only for those who have degrees and it's a disservice to those who do have them. They also won't call the only person in our group an 'Engineer' because he's fresh out of school(with a BA in EE) and doesn't have the experience.  So, I want to pose a question to the community, where do you draw the line between Engineer and non-Engineers with regards to titles and duties? Do you make the distinct line for degree holders and non-degree holders?","c_root_id_A":"izqdqmq","c_root_id_B":"izqfnxo","created_at_utc_A":1670723149,"created_at_utc_B":1670724127,"score_A":15,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019ve been alternately titled as a field service engineer or a field service technician. I currently and paid better as a technician than I was as an engineer. It seems to come down the task complexity and problem solving skills required. Now I fix 10-15 thermal printers in a day, where before I would spend 2-3 days fixing industrial 3d printers. It helps when the test print takes 0.05 seconds and not 5 hours plus a 3 step post processing to see if you\u2019ve fixed a leaking vacuum line.  I always felt awkward telling people I was a field service engineer. I went to school for 3d modeling and product design, but got into cad, 3d printing and such. I don\u2019t feel like I\u2019ve earned the engineer title through schooling, and the difference between a technician and engineer for field service is gray at best.","human_ref_B":"Fun debate topic. I actually agree that the title should be reserved, but not based on education. Rather I think it's the accountability and adherence to the engineering code of ethics that makes an engineer.   I think it's a good compromise since I don't think someone fresh out of school deserves the title more than someone with a technologist education but with decades of experience. In Canada both can apply to be PEng which seems fair to me.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":978.0,"score_ratio":1.1333333333}
{"post_id":"zi7zu7","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What's the general consensus on people having an Engineering title without having an engineering degree? I (37m) recently received a new title at work of 'Applications Engineer'. I'm a long time CNC machinist and programmer that manages our CAD\/CAM systems. I implement new processes and train folks on both our CAD and CAM platforms. I also write some scripts from time to time with Python, SQL, VBA, and Fanuc Macro B for task that we either want to simplify, automate, or just happens to be complex and would warrant it. I'm relatively proficient at CAD design, even have a product I helped a friend develop on the side which you can buy in Cabela's, Bass Pro Shops, and other big stores of that nature.  That being said, I personally asked for this specific title as it's a role in my industry (CNC Machine Tool Programming) that I want to further my career in. Essentially becoming a subject matter expert for a future company. However, some in my group feel that 'Engineer' in the job title is only for those who have degrees and it's a disservice to those who do have them. They also won't call the only person in our group an 'Engineer' because he's fresh out of school(with a BA in EE) and doesn't have the experience.  So, I want to pose a question to the community, where do you draw the line between Engineer and non-Engineers with regards to titles and duties? Do you make the distinct line for degree holders and non-degree holders?","c_root_id_A":"izqeg72","c_root_id_B":"izqfnxo","created_at_utc_A":1670723510,"created_at_utc_B":1670724127,"score_A":11,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"Generally speaking, \u2018Engineer\u2019 is not a protected title, \u2018Professional Engineer\u2019 is a protected title. No one has to call themselves a professional medicial practicioner to differentiate themselves from faux medical practioners because the title of medical practioner is protected and regulated.  There definitely is a push (in my country at least) for \u2018Engineer\u2019 to become a protected title with compulsory registration coming into effect across some states. I am in support of this, it chases out the pretenders who potentially act and advise beyond their competency which in turn brings  a lot of legal risk.","human_ref_B":"Fun debate topic. I actually agree that the title should be reserved, but not based on education. Rather I think it's the accountability and adherence to the engineering code of ethics that makes an engineer.   I think it's a good compromise since I don't think someone fresh out of school deserves the title more than someone with a technologist education but with decades of experience. In Canada both can apply to be PEng which seems fair to me.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":617.0,"score_ratio":1.5454545455}
{"post_id":"zi7zu7","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What's the general consensus on people having an Engineering title without having an engineering degree? I (37m) recently received a new title at work of 'Applications Engineer'. I'm a long time CNC machinist and programmer that manages our CAD\/CAM systems. I implement new processes and train folks on both our CAD and CAM platforms. I also write some scripts from time to time with Python, SQL, VBA, and Fanuc Macro B for task that we either want to simplify, automate, or just happens to be complex and would warrant it. I'm relatively proficient at CAD design, even have a product I helped a friend develop on the side which you can buy in Cabela's, Bass Pro Shops, and other big stores of that nature.  That being said, I personally asked for this specific title as it's a role in my industry (CNC Machine Tool Programming) that I want to further my career in. Essentially becoming a subject matter expert for a future company. However, some in my group feel that 'Engineer' in the job title is only for those who have degrees and it's a disservice to those who do have them. They also won't call the only person in our group an 'Engineer' because he's fresh out of school(with a BA in EE) and doesn't have the experience.  So, I want to pose a question to the community, where do you draw the line between Engineer and non-Engineers with regards to titles and duties? Do you make the distinct line for degree holders and non-degree holders?","c_root_id_A":"izqdqmq","c_root_id_B":"izqgl1q","created_at_utc_A":1670723149,"created_at_utc_B":1670724577,"score_A":15,"score_B":16,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019ve been alternately titled as a field service engineer or a field service technician. I currently and paid better as a technician than I was as an engineer. It seems to come down the task complexity and problem solving skills required. Now I fix 10-15 thermal printers in a day, where before I would spend 2-3 days fixing industrial 3d printers. It helps when the test print takes 0.05 seconds and not 5 hours plus a 3 step post processing to see if you\u2019ve fixed a leaking vacuum line.  I always felt awkward telling people I was a field service engineer. I went to school for 3d modeling and product design, but got into cad, 3d printing and such. I don\u2019t feel like I\u2019ve earned the engineer title through schooling, and the difference between a technician and engineer for field service is gray at best.","human_ref_B":">\tsome in my group feel that \u2018Engineer\u2019 in the job title is only for those who have degrees and it\u2019s a disservice to those who do have them.  common attitude, buuuuut  >\tThey also won\u2019t call the only person in our group an \u2018Engineer\u2019 because he\u2019s fresh out of school(with a BA in EE) and doesn\u2019t have the experience.  lmao. so. is it about the degree, in which case mr bachelor\u2019s in electrical *engineering* is an engineer and should be called such, or is it about the experience, in which case you should? can\u2019t have it both ways  anyway. if you do engineering then you\u2019re an engineer. whether or not you hold a Professional Engineer license is a different matter entirely than if you are a person who does lowercase-e engineering  the real arbiter is this line:  >\tthis specific title as it\u2019s a role in my industry  when the *title of your job* has the E-word in it, you are an engineer. no further quibbling","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1428.0,"score_ratio":1.0666666667}
{"post_id":"zi7zu7","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What's the general consensus on people having an Engineering title without having an engineering degree? I (37m) recently received a new title at work of 'Applications Engineer'. I'm a long time CNC machinist and programmer that manages our CAD\/CAM systems. I implement new processes and train folks on both our CAD and CAM platforms. I also write some scripts from time to time with Python, SQL, VBA, and Fanuc Macro B for task that we either want to simplify, automate, or just happens to be complex and would warrant it. I'm relatively proficient at CAD design, even have a product I helped a friend develop on the side which you can buy in Cabela's, Bass Pro Shops, and other big stores of that nature.  That being said, I personally asked for this specific title as it's a role in my industry (CNC Machine Tool Programming) that I want to further my career in. Essentially becoming a subject matter expert for a future company. However, some in my group feel that 'Engineer' in the job title is only for those who have degrees and it's a disservice to those who do have them. They also won't call the only person in our group an 'Engineer' because he's fresh out of school(with a BA in EE) and doesn't have the experience.  So, I want to pose a question to the community, where do you draw the line between Engineer and non-Engineers with regards to titles and duties? Do you make the distinct line for degree holders and non-degree holders?","c_root_id_A":"izqgl1q","c_root_id_B":"izqeg72","created_at_utc_A":1670724577,"created_at_utc_B":1670723510,"score_A":16,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":">\tsome in my group feel that \u2018Engineer\u2019 in the job title is only for those who have degrees and it\u2019s a disservice to those who do have them.  common attitude, buuuuut  >\tThey also won\u2019t call the only person in our group an \u2018Engineer\u2019 because he\u2019s fresh out of school(with a BA in EE) and doesn\u2019t have the experience.  lmao. so. is it about the degree, in which case mr bachelor\u2019s in electrical *engineering* is an engineer and should be called such, or is it about the experience, in which case you should? can\u2019t have it both ways  anyway. if you do engineering then you\u2019re an engineer. whether or not you hold a Professional Engineer license is a different matter entirely than if you are a person who does lowercase-e engineering  the real arbiter is this line:  >\tthis specific title as it\u2019s a role in my industry  when the *title of your job* has the E-word in it, you are an engineer. no further quibbling","human_ref_B":"Generally speaking, \u2018Engineer\u2019 is not a protected title, \u2018Professional Engineer\u2019 is a protected title. No one has to call themselves a professional medicial practicioner to differentiate themselves from faux medical practioners because the title of medical practioner is protected and regulated.  There definitely is a push (in my country at least) for \u2018Engineer\u2019 to become a protected title with compulsory registration coming into effect across some states. I am in support of this, it chases out the pretenders who potentially act and advise beyond their competency which in turn brings  a lot of legal risk.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1067.0,"score_ratio":1.4545454545}
{"post_id":"zi7zu7","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What's the general consensus on people having an Engineering title without having an engineering degree? I (37m) recently received a new title at work of 'Applications Engineer'. I'm a long time CNC machinist and programmer that manages our CAD\/CAM systems. I implement new processes and train folks on both our CAD and CAM platforms. I also write some scripts from time to time with Python, SQL, VBA, and Fanuc Macro B for task that we either want to simplify, automate, or just happens to be complex and would warrant it. I'm relatively proficient at CAD design, even have a product I helped a friend develop on the side which you can buy in Cabela's, Bass Pro Shops, and other big stores of that nature.  That being said, I personally asked for this specific title as it's a role in my industry (CNC Machine Tool Programming) that I want to further my career in. Essentially becoming a subject matter expert for a future company. However, some in my group feel that 'Engineer' in the job title is only for those who have degrees and it's a disservice to those who do have them. They also won't call the only person in our group an 'Engineer' because he's fresh out of school(with a BA in EE) and doesn't have the experience.  So, I want to pose a question to the community, where do you draw the line between Engineer and non-Engineers with regards to titles and duties? Do you make the distinct line for degree holders and non-degree holders?","c_root_id_A":"izqjgna","c_root_id_B":"izqeg72","created_at_utc_A":1670726033,"created_at_utc_B":1670723510,"score_A":12,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"An Engineer is someone who has an accredited engineering degree with experience as well.  That's where I would draw the line.","human_ref_B":"Generally speaking, \u2018Engineer\u2019 is not a protected title, \u2018Professional Engineer\u2019 is a protected title. No one has to call themselves a professional medicial practicioner to differentiate themselves from faux medical practioners because the title of medical practioner is protected and regulated.  There definitely is a push (in my country at least) for \u2018Engineer\u2019 to become a protected title with compulsory registration coming into effect across some states. I am in support of this, it chases out the pretenders who potentially act and advise beyond their competency which in turn brings  a lot of legal risk.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2523.0,"score_ratio":1.0909090909}
{"post_id":"zi7zu7","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What's the general consensus on people having an Engineering title without having an engineering degree? I (37m) recently received a new title at work of 'Applications Engineer'. I'm a long time CNC machinist and programmer that manages our CAD\/CAM systems. I implement new processes and train folks on both our CAD and CAM platforms. I also write some scripts from time to time with Python, SQL, VBA, and Fanuc Macro B for task that we either want to simplify, automate, or just happens to be complex and would warrant it. I'm relatively proficient at CAD design, even have a product I helped a friend develop on the side which you can buy in Cabela's, Bass Pro Shops, and other big stores of that nature.  That being said, I personally asked for this specific title as it's a role in my industry (CNC Machine Tool Programming) that I want to further my career in. Essentially becoming a subject matter expert for a future company. However, some in my group feel that 'Engineer' in the job title is only for those who have degrees and it's a disservice to those who do have them. They also won't call the only person in our group an 'Engineer' because he's fresh out of school(with a BA in EE) and doesn't have the experience.  So, I want to pose a question to the community, where do you draw the line between Engineer and non-Engineers with regards to titles and duties? Do you make the distinct line for degree holders and non-degree holders?","c_root_id_A":"izqh77z","c_root_id_B":"izqjgna","created_at_utc_A":1670724887,"created_at_utc_B":1670726033,"score_A":8,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"Eh, I don\u2019t know.  There are plenty of people with degrees who can\u2019t engineer jack.  There are plenty of people without degrees who can build useful things.  But, out of all the people I\u2019ve met who truly *understand* what they\u2019re engineering, there\u2019s maybe only 1 who didn\u2019t have a degree.  So, take of that what you will.","human_ref_B":"An Engineer is someone who has an accredited engineering degree with experience as well.  That's where I would draw the line.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1146.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"zi7zu7","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What's the general consensus on people having an Engineering title without having an engineering degree? I (37m) recently received a new title at work of 'Applications Engineer'. I'm a long time CNC machinist and programmer that manages our CAD\/CAM systems. I implement new processes and train folks on both our CAD and CAM platforms. I also write some scripts from time to time with Python, SQL, VBA, and Fanuc Macro B for task that we either want to simplify, automate, or just happens to be complex and would warrant it. I'm relatively proficient at CAD design, even have a product I helped a friend develop on the side which you can buy in Cabela's, Bass Pro Shops, and other big stores of that nature.  That being said, I personally asked for this specific title as it's a role in my industry (CNC Machine Tool Programming) that I want to further my career in. Essentially becoming a subject matter expert for a future company. However, some in my group feel that 'Engineer' in the job title is only for those who have degrees and it's a disservice to those who do have them. They also won't call the only person in our group an 'Engineer' because he's fresh out of school(with a BA in EE) and doesn't have the experience.  So, I want to pose a question to the community, where do you draw the line between Engineer and non-Engineers with regards to titles and duties? Do you make the distinct line for degree holders and non-degree holders?","c_root_id_A":"izqjgna","c_root_id_B":"izqhu35","created_at_utc_A":1670726033,"created_at_utc_B":1670725208,"score_A":12,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"An Engineer is someone who has an accredited engineering degree with experience as well.  That's where I would draw the line.","human_ref_B":"Not an engineer  There are no engineering apprenticeships any more.   Doing cad\/solid works etc is not engineering. Using the tools of that trade doesn\u2019t make you that thing. I can twist wires together and put new lights, outlets etc all day but I\u2019m not an electrician. I could probably make my way around some machinist tools but wouldnt call myself a machinist  Degree is now the only path. If you got a engineering job without a degree, good chance you are not really engineering and anyone can do what u do. (Probably means underpaid too)","labels":1,"seconds_difference":825.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"zi7zu7","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What's the general consensus on people having an Engineering title without having an engineering degree? I (37m) recently received a new title at work of 'Applications Engineer'. I'm a long time CNC machinist and programmer that manages our CAD\/CAM systems. I implement new processes and train folks on both our CAD and CAM platforms. I also write some scripts from time to time with Python, SQL, VBA, and Fanuc Macro B for task that we either want to simplify, automate, or just happens to be complex and would warrant it. I'm relatively proficient at CAD design, even have a product I helped a friend develop on the side which you can buy in Cabela's, Bass Pro Shops, and other big stores of that nature.  That being said, I personally asked for this specific title as it's a role in my industry (CNC Machine Tool Programming) that I want to further my career in. Essentially becoming a subject matter expert for a future company. However, some in my group feel that 'Engineer' in the job title is only for those who have degrees and it's a disservice to those who do have them. They also won't call the only person in our group an 'Engineer' because he's fresh out of school(with a BA in EE) and doesn't have the experience.  So, I want to pose a question to the community, where do you draw the line between Engineer and non-Engineers with regards to titles and duties? Do you make the distinct line for degree holders and non-degree holders?","c_root_id_A":"izqh77z","c_root_id_B":"izqpjr2","created_at_utc_A":1670724887,"created_at_utc_B":1670729234,"score_A":8,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"Eh, I don\u2019t know.  There are plenty of people with degrees who can\u2019t engineer jack.  There are plenty of people without degrees who can build useful things.  But, out of all the people I\u2019ve met who truly *understand* what they\u2019re engineering, there\u2019s maybe only 1 who didn\u2019t have a degree.  So, take of that what you will.","human_ref_B":"In my opinion, you can\u2019t be an engineer without the degree and work experience.   My first job out of college had a \u201cengineering\u201d manager who only had a draftsmen degree. There were quite a few things he didn\u2019t know how to solve mathematically or applying the appropriate equations. In fact, him and the other draftsmen didn\u2019t apply any stress analysis to their designs. It was quite depressing. I got out of the company as soon as possible.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4347.0,"score_ratio":1.375}
{"post_id":"zi7zu7","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What's the general consensus on people having an Engineering title without having an engineering degree? I (37m) recently received a new title at work of 'Applications Engineer'. I'm a long time CNC machinist and programmer that manages our CAD\/CAM systems. I implement new processes and train folks on both our CAD and CAM platforms. I also write some scripts from time to time with Python, SQL, VBA, and Fanuc Macro B for task that we either want to simplify, automate, or just happens to be complex and would warrant it. I'm relatively proficient at CAD design, even have a product I helped a friend develop on the side which you can buy in Cabela's, Bass Pro Shops, and other big stores of that nature.  That being said, I personally asked for this specific title as it's a role in my industry (CNC Machine Tool Programming) that I want to further my career in. Essentially becoming a subject matter expert for a future company. However, some in my group feel that 'Engineer' in the job title is only for those who have degrees and it's a disservice to those who do have them. They also won't call the only person in our group an 'Engineer' because he's fresh out of school(with a BA in EE) and doesn't have the experience.  So, I want to pose a question to the community, where do you draw the line between Engineer and non-Engineers with regards to titles and duties? Do you make the distinct line for degree holders and non-degree holders?","c_root_id_A":"izqpjr2","c_root_id_B":"izqhu35","created_at_utc_A":1670729234,"created_at_utc_B":1670725208,"score_A":11,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"In my opinion, you can\u2019t be an engineer without the degree and work experience.   My first job out of college had a \u201cengineering\u201d manager who only had a draftsmen degree. There were quite a few things he didn\u2019t know how to solve mathematically or applying the appropriate equations. In fact, him and the other draftsmen didn\u2019t apply any stress analysis to their designs. It was quite depressing. I got out of the company as soon as possible.","human_ref_B":"Not an engineer  There are no engineering apprenticeships any more.   Doing cad\/solid works etc is not engineering. Using the tools of that trade doesn\u2019t make you that thing. I can twist wires together and put new lights, outlets etc all day but I\u2019m not an electrician. I could probably make my way around some machinist tools but wouldnt call myself a machinist  Degree is now the only path. If you got a engineering job without a degree, good chance you are not really engineering and anyone can do what u do. (Probably means underpaid too)","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4026.0,"score_ratio":1.375}
{"post_id":"zi7zu7","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What's the general consensus on people having an Engineering title without having an engineering degree? I (37m) recently received a new title at work of 'Applications Engineer'. I'm a long time CNC machinist and programmer that manages our CAD\/CAM systems. I implement new processes and train folks on both our CAD and CAM platforms. I also write some scripts from time to time with Python, SQL, VBA, and Fanuc Macro B for task that we either want to simplify, automate, or just happens to be complex and would warrant it. I'm relatively proficient at CAD design, even have a product I helped a friend develop on the side which you can buy in Cabela's, Bass Pro Shops, and other big stores of that nature.  That being said, I personally asked for this specific title as it's a role in my industry (CNC Machine Tool Programming) that I want to further my career in. Essentially becoming a subject matter expert for a future company. However, some in my group feel that 'Engineer' in the job title is only for those who have degrees and it's a disservice to those who do have them. They also won't call the only person in our group an 'Engineer' because he's fresh out of school(with a BA in EE) and doesn't have the experience.  So, I want to pose a question to the community, where do you draw the line between Engineer and non-Engineers with regards to titles and duties? Do you make the distinct line for degree holders and non-degree holders?","c_root_id_A":"izqpjr2","c_root_id_B":"izqm3xt","created_at_utc_A":1670729234,"created_at_utc_B":1670727387,"score_A":11,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"In my opinion, you can\u2019t be an engineer without the degree and work experience.   My first job out of college had a \u201cengineering\u201d manager who only had a draftsmen degree. There were quite a few things he didn\u2019t know how to solve mathematically or applying the appropriate equations. In fact, him and the other draftsmen didn\u2019t apply any stress analysis to their designs. It was quite depressing. I got out of the company as soon as possible.","human_ref_B":"I have an Advanced Diploma in Engineering, work as a Fire Safety Engineer, yet I don\u2019t refer to myself as an engineer as I don\u2019t t have a bachelors degree in engineering.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1847.0,"score_ratio":1.5714285714}
{"post_id":"thzfo1","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"WTF is horsepower and does it actually matter? I'm sorry if this is the wrong place to post it, but I figured you guys would hopefully know the answer.     I'm a long time car guy, certified engine machinist, automotive nutcase. Something I've been having a hard time with recently is horsepower. This all came about because I was discussing gear shift points for maximum acceleration, with some fellows on the interweb. Many people were of the erroneous understanding that the best time to shift for maximum acceleration is at peak hp, however the actual answer is based on current torque x current gear ratio compared to shifted torque x shifted gear ratio.   What really stands out to me is that from a peak acceleration perspective, hp has literally no part of this calculation. Which then made me wonder, why on earth do we care about hp then? All you ever hear talk about is hp, and many manufacturers go out of their way to prioritize peak hp over ample torque, especially when designing a race oriented vehicle.  I've watched videos before explaining what hp is and why it matters, but I feel like they always glaze over most of the important details and skip right to the end result. I also feel like my current shift calculation\/acceleration context is probably skewing my perspective and making it harder to wrap my head around. Help me please!","c_root_id_A":"i1bink2","c_root_id_B":"i1bm2lr","created_at_utc_A":1647720146,"created_at_utc_B":1647721633,"score_A":21,"score_B":34,"human_ref_A":"In car performance terms, horsepower is the only thing that matters. You can never do more work than your engine can provide in maximum horsepower. If you need to adjust for tractive effort (the force the tires put to the ground, what a lot of people equate with torque) or rpm, you can simply change gearing to get there. A 200hp sport bike and a 200hp smog era BBC can both pull the same loads with gearing changes at the same speed, at different rpm.  In terms of the optimum shift points for acceleration, you want to look at shifting when the gearing allows for the engine to have the most average horsepower.","human_ref_B":"Lots of good answers already, but just to make one thing clear: horsepower is the same physical thing as watts, and that is energy per time.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1487.0,"score_ratio":1.619047619}
{"post_id":"thzfo1","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"WTF is horsepower and does it actually matter? I'm sorry if this is the wrong place to post it, but I figured you guys would hopefully know the answer.     I'm a long time car guy, certified engine machinist, automotive nutcase. Something I've been having a hard time with recently is horsepower. This all came about because I was discussing gear shift points for maximum acceleration, with some fellows on the interweb. Many people were of the erroneous understanding that the best time to shift for maximum acceleration is at peak hp, however the actual answer is based on current torque x current gear ratio compared to shifted torque x shifted gear ratio.   What really stands out to me is that from a peak acceleration perspective, hp has literally no part of this calculation. Which then made me wonder, why on earth do we care about hp then? All you ever hear talk about is hp, and many manufacturers go out of their way to prioritize peak hp over ample torque, especially when designing a race oriented vehicle.  I've watched videos before explaining what hp is and why it matters, but I feel like they always glaze over most of the important details and skip right to the end result. I also feel like my current shift calculation\/acceleration context is probably skewing my perspective and making it harder to wrap my head around. Help me please!","c_root_id_A":"i1bdtni","c_root_id_B":"i1bm2lr","created_at_utc_A":1647718020,"created_at_utc_B":1647721633,"score_A":3,"score_B":34,"human_ref_A":"I'm just a student so take everything I say with a grain of salt as I don't have the experience to back up my textbook learning  In order to make the car accelerate, you have to increase its kinetic energy. Horsepower is an ordinary unit of power, equal to 745.7 watts, which is a measure of energy transfer per second. The maximum power rating of an engine is the maximum amount of kinetic energy it can impart to the vehicle at a time. But internal combustion engines are not magic and you cannot transfer any more energy from an piston if the shaft is already spinning as fast as the mechanisms allow, therefore we have to shift gears up in order to slow down the engine RPM's such that the engine can continue transmitting mechanical power. The actual amount of horsepower is irrelevant in determining *when* acceleration occurs, but it IS relevant in determining *how much* acceleration occurs. And since your equation for gear shift points is only concerned about when to shift, the magnitude of the effect once you do shift doesn't come into play at all.     One other thing about caring about HP: As I'm sure you know there are a lot of parasitic effects on vehicles. These effects, ESPECIALLY air drag, increase dramatically with speed. The parasitic effects have a direct energy cost to overcome, meaning you can measure parasitic effects in HP as well. The faster you go, the higher the \"power\" of drag and stuff, and it gets to the point where the engine's HP and the parasitic effects are balanced out, meaning no further acceleration can occur. The force of the engine on the driveshaft matches the force of air drag and frictional losses, etc on the rest of the vehicle. The lower your horsepower, the less friction\/air drag it is able to overcome and the force balance happens at a lower speed than a high HP engine.","human_ref_B":"Lots of good answers already, but just to make one thing clear: horsepower is the same physical thing as watts, and that is energy per time.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3613.0,"score_ratio":11.3333333333}
{"post_id":"thzfo1","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"WTF is horsepower and does it actually matter? I'm sorry if this is the wrong place to post it, but I figured you guys would hopefully know the answer.     I'm a long time car guy, certified engine machinist, automotive nutcase. Something I've been having a hard time with recently is horsepower. This all came about because I was discussing gear shift points for maximum acceleration, with some fellows on the interweb. Many people were of the erroneous understanding that the best time to shift for maximum acceleration is at peak hp, however the actual answer is based on current torque x current gear ratio compared to shifted torque x shifted gear ratio.   What really stands out to me is that from a peak acceleration perspective, hp has literally no part of this calculation. Which then made me wonder, why on earth do we care about hp then? All you ever hear talk about is hp, and many manufacturers go out of their way to prioritize peak hp over ample torque, especially when designing a race oriented vehicle.  I've watched videos before explaining what hp is and why it matters, but I feel like they always glaze over most of the important details and skip right to the end result. I also feel like my current shift calculation\/acceleration context is probably skewing my perspective and making it harder to wrap my head around. Help me please!","c_root_id_A":"i1bm2lr","c_root_id_B":"i1b17qb","created_at_utc_A":1647721633,"created_at_utc_B":1647712661,"score_A":34,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Lots of good answers already, but just to make one thing clear: horsepower is the same physical thing as watts, and that is energy per time.","human_ref_B":"Every upshift forces the engine to jump across the peak of the lug curve. More power raises the whole curve. Power = torque x speed so as speed increases the available torque is reduced.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8972.0,"score_ratio":11.3333333333}
{"post_id":"thzfo1","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"WTF is horsepower and does it actually matter? I'm sorry if this is the wrong place to post it, but I figured you guys would hopefully know the answer.     I'm a long time car guy, certified engine machinist, automotive nutcase. Something I've been having a hard time with recently is horsepower. This all came about because I was discussing gear shift points for maximum acceleration, with some fellows on the interweb. Many people were of the erroneous understanding that the best time to shift for maximum acceleration is at peak hp, however the actual answer is based on current torque x current gear ratio compared to shifted torque x shifted gear ratio.   What really stands out to me is that from a peak acceleration perspective, hp has literally no part of this calculation. Which then made me wonder, why on earth do we care about hp then? All you ever hear talk about is hp, and many manufacturers go out of their way to prioritize peak hp over ample torque, especially when designing a race oriented vehicle.  I've watched videos before explaining what hp is and why it matters, but I feel like they always glaze over most of the important details and skip right to the end result. I also feel like my current shift calculation\/acceleration context is probably skewing my perspective and making it harder to wrap my head around. Help me please!","c_root_id_A":"i1bdtni","c_root_id_B":"i1bink2","created_at_utc_A":1647718020,"created_at_utc_B":1647720146,"score_A":3,"score_B":21,"human_ref_A":"I'm just a student so take everything I say with a grain of salt as I don't have the experience to back up my textbook learning  In order to make the car accelerate, you have to increase its kinetic energy. Horsepower is an ordinary unit of power, equal to 745.7 watts, which is a measure of energy transfer per second. The maximum power rating of an engine is the maximum amount of kinetic energy it can impart to the vehicle at a time. But internal combustion engines are not magic and you cannot transfer any more energy from an piston if the shaft is already spinning as fast as the mechanisms allow, therefore we have to shift gears up in order to slow down the engine RPM's such that the engine can continue transmitting mechanical power. The actual amount of horsepower is irrelevant in determining *when* acceleration occurs, but it IS relevant in determining *how much* acceleration occurs. And since your equation for gear shift points is only concerned about when to shift, the magnitude of the effect once you do shift doesn't come into play at all.     One other thing about caring about HP: As I'm sure you know there are a lot of parasitic effects on vehicles. These effects, ESPECIALLY air drag, increase dramatically with speed. The parasitic effects have a direct energy cost to overcome, meaning you can measure parasitic effects in HP as well. The faster you go, the higher the \"power\" of drag and stuff, and it gets to the point where the engine's HP and the parasitic effects are balanced out, meaning no further acceleration can occur. The force of the engine on the driveshaft matches the force of air drag and frictional losses, etc on the rest of the vehicle. The lower your horsepower, the less friction\/air drag it is able to overcome and the force balance happens at a lower speed than a high HP engine.","human_ref_B":"In car performance terms, horsepower is the only thing that matters. You can never do more work than your engine can provide in maximum horsepower. If you need to adjust for tractive effort (the force the tires put to the ground, what a lot of people equate with torque) or rpm, you can simply change gearing to get there. A 200hp sport bike and a 200hp smog era BBC can both pull the same loads with gearing changes at the same speed, at different rpm.  In terms of the optimum shift points for acceleration, you want to look at shifting when the gearing allows for the engine to have the most average horsepower.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2126.0,"score_ratio":7.0}
{"post_id":"thzfo1","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"WTF is horsepower and does it actually matter? I'm sorry if this is the wrong place to post it, but I figured you guys would hopefully know the answer.     I'm a long time car guy, certified engine machinist, automotive nutcase. Something I've been having a hard time with recently is horsepower. This all came about because I was discussing gear shift points for maximum acceleration, with some fellows on the interweb. Many people were of the erroneous understanding that the best time to shift for maximum acceleration is at peak hp, however the actual answer is based on current torque x current gear ratio compared to shifted torque x shifted gear ratio.   What really stands out to me is that from a peak acceleration perspective, hp has literally no part of this calculation. Which then made me wonder, why on earth do we care about hp then? All you ever hear talk about is hp, and many manufacturers go out of their way to prioritize peak hp over ample torque, especially when designing a race oriented vehicle.  I've watched videos before explaining what hp is and why it matters, but I feel like they always glaze over most of the important details and skip right to the end result. I also feel like my current shift calculation\/acceleration context is probably skewing my perspective and making it harder to wrap my head around. Help me please!","c_root_id_A":"i1b17qb","c_root_id_B":"i1bink2","created_at_utc_A":1647712661,"created_at_utc_B":1647720146,"score_A":3,"score_B":21,"human_ref_A":"Every upshift forces the engine to jump across the peak of the lug curve. More power raises the whole curve. Power = torque x speed so as speed increases the available torque is reduced.","human_ref_B":"In car performance terms, horsepower is the only thing that matters. You can never do more work than your engine can provide in maximum horsepower. If you need to adjust for tractive effort (the force the tires put to the ground, what a lot of people equate with torque) or rpm, you can simply change gearing to get there. A 200hp sport bike and a 200hp smog era BBC can both pull the same loads with gearing changes at the same speed, at different rpm.  In terms of the optimum shift points for acceleration, you want to look at shifting when the gearing allows for the engine to have the most average horsepower.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7485.0,"score_ratio":7.0}
{"post_id":"thzfo1","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"WTF is horsepower and does it actually matter? I'm sorry if this is the wrong place to post it, but I figured you guys would hopefully know the answer.     I'm a long time car guy, certified engine machinist, automotive nutcase. Something I've been having a hard time with recently is horsepower. This all came about because I was discussing gear shift points for maximum acceleration, with some fellows on the interweb. Many people were of the erroneous understanding that the best time to shift for maximum acceleration is at peak hp, however the actual answer is based on current torque x current gear ratio compared to shifted torque x shifted gear ratio.   What really stands out to me is that from a peak acceleration perspective, hp has literally no part of this calculation. Which then made me wonder, why on earth do we care about hp then? All you ever hear talk about is hp, and many manufacturers go out of their way to prioritize peak hp over ample torque, especially when designing a race oriented vehicle.  I've watched videos before explaining what hp is and why it matters, but I feel like they always glaze over most of the important details and skip right to the end result. I also feel like my current shift calculation\/acceleration context is probably skewing my perspective and making it harder to wrap my head around. Help me please!","c_root_id_A":"i1cg1ht","c_root_id_B":"i1bdtni","created_at_utc_A":1647735166,"created_at_utc_B":1647718020,"score_A":19,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"The amount of arguing in this post over hp vs torque in a performance car is exactly what I expected when I saw the title.","human_ref_B":"I'm just a student so take everything I say with a grain of salt as I don't have the experience to back up my textbook learning  In order to make the car accelerate, you have to increase its kinetic energy. Horsepower is an ordinary unit of power, equal to 745.7 watts, which is a measure of energy transfer per second. The maximum power rating of an engine is the maximum amount of kinetic energy it can impart to the vehicle at a time. But internal combustion engines are not magic and you cannot transfer any more energy from an piston if the shaft is already spinning as fast as the mechanisms allow, therefore we have to shift gears up in order to slow down the engine RPM's such that the engine can continue transmitting mechanical power. The actual amount of horsepower is irrelevant in determining *when* acceleration occurs, but it IS relevant in determining *how much* acceleration occurs. And since your equation for gear shift points is only concerned about when to shift, the magnitude of the effect once you do shift doesn't come into play at all.     One other thing about caring about HP: As I'm sure you know there are a lot of parasitic effects on vehicles. These effects, ESPECIALLY air drag, increase dramatically with speed. The parasitic effects have a direct energy cost to overcome, meaning you can measure parasitic effects in HP as well. The faster you go, the higher the \"power\" of drag and stuff, and it gets to the point where the engine's HP and the parasitic effects are balanced out, meaning no further acceleration can occur. The force of the engine on the driveshaft matches the force of air drag and frictional losses, etc on the rest of the vehicle. The lower your horsepower, the less friction\/air drag it is able to overcome and the force balance happens at a lower speed than a high HP engine.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":17146.0,"score_ratio":6.3333333333}
{"post_id":"thzfo1","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"WTF is horsepower and does it actually matter? I'm sorry if this is the wrong place to post it, but I figured you guys would hopefully know the answer.     I'm a long time car guy, certified engine machinist, automotive nutcase. Something I've been having a hard time with recently is horsepower. This all came about because I was discussing gear shift points for maximum acceleration, with some fellows on the interweb. Many people were of the erroneous understanding that the best time to shift for maximum acceleration is at peak hp, however the actual answer is based on current torque x current gear ratio compared to shifted torque x shifted gear ratio.   What really stands out to me is that from a peak acceleration perspective, hp has literally no part of this calculation. Which then made me wonder, why on earth do we care about hp then? All you ever hear talk about is hp, and many manufacturers go out of their way to prioritize peak hp over ample torque, especially when designing a race oriented vehicle.  I've watched videos before explaining what hp is and why it matters, but I feel like they always glaze over most of the important details and skip right to the end result. I also feel like my current shift calculation\/acceleration context is probably skewing my perspective and making it harder to wrap my head around. Help me please!","c_root_id_A":"i1b17qb","c_root_id_B":"i1cg1ht","created_at_utc_A":1647712661,"created_at_utc_B":1647735166,"score_A":3,"score_B":19,"human_ref_A":"Every upshift forces the engine to jump across the peak of the lug curve. More power raises the whole curve. Power = torque x speed so as speed increases the available torque is reduced.","human_ref_B":"The amount of arguing in this post over hp vs torque in a performance car is exactly what I expected when I saw the title.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":22505.0,"score_ratio":6.3333333333}
{"post_id":"thzfo1","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"WTF is horsepower and does it actually matter? I'm sorry if this is the wrong place to post it, but I figured you guys would hopefully know the answer.     I'm a long time car guy, certified engine machinist, automotive nutcase. Something I've been having a hard time with recently is horsepower. This all came about because I was discussing gear shift points for maximum acceleration, with some fellows on the interweb. Many people were of the erroneous understanding that the best time to shift for maximum acceleration is at peak hp, however the actual answer is based on current torque x current gear ratio compared to shifted torque x shifted gear ratio.   What really stands out to me is that from a peak acceleration perspective, hp has literally no part of this calculation. Which then made me wonder, why on earth do we care about hp then? All you ever hear talk about is hp, and many manufacturers go out of their way to prioritize peak hp over ample torque, especially when designing a race oriented vehicle.  I've watched videos before explaining what hp is and why it matters, but I feel like they always glaze over most of the important details and skip right to the end result. I also feel like my current shift calculation\/acceleration context is probably skewing my perspective and making it harder to wrap my head around. Help me please!","c_root_id_A":"i1bsgoj","c_root_id_B":"i1cg1ht","created_at_utc_A":1647724388,"created_at_utc_B":1647735166,"score_A":4,"score_B":19,"human_ref_A":"Horspwer is a measurement of torque and engine rpm when looking at an engine dyno.  Hp = Torque x rpm\/5252   Yes horsepower matters, its just a different unit of measurement. But its all about your frame of reference. If you make more torque at a certain rpm, you will obviously make more Hp. If you make more Hp at a certain rpm, you will obviously make more torque.  This is why i roll my eyes when someone says its all about the torque, not the horsepower.  To back up my claim, look at every graph of an engine dyno, torque and Hp will always intersect at 5,252rpm...","human_ref_B":"The amount of arguing in this post over hp vs torque in a performance car is exactly what I expected when I saw the title.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10778.0,"score_ratio":4.75}
{"post_id":"thzfo1","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"WTF is horsepower and does it actually matter? I'm sorry if this is the wrong place to post it, but I figured you guys would hopefully know the answer.     I'm a long time car guy, certified engine machinist, automotive nutcase. Something I've been having a hard time with recently is horsepower. This all came about because I was discussing gear shift points for maximum acceleration, with some fellows on the interweb. Many people were of the erroneous understanding that the best time to shift for maximum acceleration is at peak hp, however the actual answer is based on current torque x current gear ratio compared to shifted torque x shifted gear ratio.   What really stands out to me is that from a peak acceleration perspective, hp has literally no part of this calculation. Which then made me wonder, why on earth do we care about hp then? All you ever hear talk about is hp, and many manufacturers go out of their way to prioritize peak hp over ample torque, especially when designing a race oriented vehicle.  I've watched videos before explaining what hp is and why it matters, but I feel like they always glaze over most of the important details and skip right to the end result. I also feel like my current shift calculation\/acceleration context is probably skewing my perspective and making it harder to wrap my head around. Help me please!","c_root_id_A":"i1e7fio","c_root_id_B":"i1bdtni","created_at_utc_A":1647777723,"created_at_utc_B":1647718020,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"OP, it seems to me like your assessment that torque is all that matters is based on the fact that the online calculators use the torque curve as their input, and not the hp curve. What I think you are missing is that the torque curve and the hp curve are two different representations of exactly the same data. Give me one and I can directly calculate the other. So, the calculators could have been written to use the hp curve as the input if they wanted to, I guess it\u2019s just convenient to use the torque curve. Fundamentally though, both curves are showing the same thing, just in two different ways.","human_ref_B":"I'm just a student so take everything I say with a grain of salt as I don't have the experience to back up my textbook learning  In order to make the car accelerate, you have to increase its kinetic energy. Horsepower is an ordinary unit of power, equal to 745.7 watts, which is a measure of energy transfer per second. The maximum power rating of an engine is the maximum amount of kinetic energy it can impart to the vehicle at a time. But internal combustion engines are not magic and you cannot transfer any more energy from an piston if the shaft is already spinning as fast as the mechanisms allow, therefore we have to shift gears up in order to slow down the engine RPM's such that the engine can continue transmitting mechanical power. The actual amount of horsepower is irrelevant in determining *when* acceleration occurs, but it IS relevant in determining *how much* acceleration occurs. And since your equation for gear shift points is only concerned about when to shift, the magnitude of the effect once you do shift doesn't come into play at all.     One other thing about caring about HP: As I'm sure you know there are a lot of parasitic effects on vehicles. These effects, ESPECIALLY air drag, increase dramatically with speed. The parasitic effects have a direct energy cost to overcome, meaning you can measure parasitic effects in HP as well. The faster you go, the higher the \"power\" of drag and stuff, and it gets to the point where the engine's HP and the parasitic effects are balanced out, meaning no further acceleration can occur. The force of the engine on the driveshaft matches the force of air drag and frictional losses, etc on the rest of the vehicle. The lower your horsepower, the less friction\/air drag it is able to overcome and the force balance happens at a lower speed than a high HP engine.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":59703.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"thzfo1","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"WTF is horsepower and does it actually matter? I'm sorry if this is the wrong place to post it, but I figured you guys would hopefully know the answer.     I'm a long time car guy, certified engine machinist, automotive nutcase. Something I've been having a hard time with recently is horsepower. This all came about because I was discussing gear shift points for maximum acceleration, with some fellows on the interweb. Many people were of the erroneous understanding that the best time to shift for maximum acceleration is at peak hp, however the actual answer is based on current torque x current gear ratio compared to shifted torque x shifted gear ratio.   What really stands out to me is that from a peak acceleration perspective, hp has literally no part of this calculation. Which then made me wonder, why on earth do we care about hp then? All you ever hear talk about is hp, and many manufacturers go out of their way to prioritize peak hp over ample torque, especially when designing a race oriented vehicle.  I've watched videos before explaining what hp is and why it matters, but I feel like they always glaze over most of the important details and skip right to the end result. I also feel like my current shift calculation\/acceleration context is probably skewing my perspective and making it harder to wrap my head around. Help me please!","c_root_id_A":"i1bdtni","c_root_id_B":"i1bsgoj","created_at_utc_A":1647718020,"created_at_utc_B":1647724388,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I'm just a student so take everything I say with a grain of salt as I don't have the experience to back up my textbook learning  In order to make the car accelerate, you have to increase its kinetic energy. Horsepower is an ordinary unit of power, equal to 745.7 watts, which is a measure of energy transfer per second. The maximum power rating of an engine is the maximum amount of kinetic energy it can impart to the vehicle at a time. But internal combustion engines are not magic and you cannot transfer any more energy from an piston if the shaft is already spinning as fast as the mechanisms allow, therefore we have to shift gears up in order to slow down the engine RPM's such that the engine can continue transmitting mechanical power. The actual amount of horsepower is irrelevant in determining *when* acceleration occurs, but it IS relevant in determining *how much* acceleration occurs. And since your equation for gear shift points is only concerned about when to shift, the magnitude of the effect once you do shift doesn't come into play at all.     One other thing about caring about HP: As I'm sure you know there are a lot of parasitic effects on vehicles. These effects, ESPECIALLY air drag, increase dramatically with speed. The parasitic effects have a direct energy cost to overcome, meaning you can measure parasitic effects in HP as well. The faster you go, the higher the \"power\" of drag and stuff, and it gets to the point where the engine's HP and the parasitic effects are balanced out, meaning no further acceleration can occur. The force of the engine on the driveshaft matches the force of air drag and frictional losses, etc on the rest of the vehicle. The lower your horsepower, the less friction\/air drag it is able to overcome and the force balance happens at a lower speed than a high HP engine.","human_ref_B":"Horspwer is a measurement of torque and engine rpm when looking at an engine dyno.  Hp = Torque x rpm\/5252   Yes horsepower matters, its just a different unit of measurement. But its all about your frame of reference. If you make more torque at a certain rpm, you will obviously make more Hp. If you make more Hp at a certain rpm, you will obviously make more torque.  This is why i roll my eyes when someone says its all about the torque, not the horsepower.  To back up my claim, look at every graph of an engine dyno, torque and Hp will always intersect at 5,252rpm...","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6368.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"thzfo1","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"WTF is horsepower and does it actually matter? I'm sorry if this is the wrong place to post it, but I figured you guys would hopefully know the answer.     I'm a long time car guy, certified engine machinist, automotive nutcase. Something I've been having a hard time with recently is horsepower. This all came about because I was discussing gear shift points for maximum acceleration, with some fellows on the interweb. Many people were of the erroneous understanding that the best time to shift for maximum acceleration is at peak hp, however the actual answer is based on current torque x current gear ratio compared to shifted torque x shifted gear ratio.   What really stands out to me is that from a peak acceleration perspective, hp has literally no part of this calculation. Which then made me wonder, why on earth do we care about hp then? All you ever hear talk about is hp, and many manufacturers go out of their way to prioritize peak hp over ample torque, especially when designing a race oriented vehicle.  I've watched videos before explaining what hp is and why it matters, but I feel like they always glaze over most of the important details and skip right to the end result. I also feel like my current shift calculation\/acceleration context is probably skewing my perspective and making it harder to wrap my head around. Help me please!","c_root_id_A":"i1e7fio","c_root_id_B":"i1b17qb","created_at_utc_A":1647777723,"created_at_utc_B":1647712661,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"OP, it seems to me like your assessment that torque is all that matters is based on the fact that the online calculators use the torque curve as their input, and not the hp curve. What I think you are missing is that the torque curve and the hp curve are two different representations of exactly the same data. Give me one and I can directly calculate the other. So, the calculators could have been written to use the hp curve as the input if they wanted to, I guess it\u2019s just convenient to use the torque curve. Fundamentally though, both curves are showing the same thing, just in two different ways.","human_ref_B":"Every upshift forces the engine to jump across the peak of the lug curve. More power raises the whole curve. Power = torque x speed so as speed increases the available torque is reduced.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":65062.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"thzfo1","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"WTF is horsepower and does it actually matter? I'm sorry if this is the wrong place to post it, but I figured you guys would hopefully know the answer.     I'm a long time car guy, certified engine machinist, automotive nutcase. Something I've been having a hard time with recently is horsepower. This all came about because I was discussing gear shift points for maximum acceleration, with some fellows on the interweb. Many people were of the erroneous understanding that the best time to shift for maximum acceleration is at peak hp, however the actual answer is based on current torque x current gear ratio compared to shifted torque x shifted gear ratio.   What really stands out to me is that from a peak acceleration perspective, hp has literally no part of this calculation. Which then made me wonder, why on earth do we care about hp then? All you ever hear talk about is hp, and many manufacturers go out of their way to prioritize peak hp over ample torque, especially when designing a race oriented vehicle.  I've watched videos before explaining what hp is and why it matters, but I feel like they always glaze over most of the important details and skip right to the end result. I also feel like my current shift calculation\/acceleration context is probably skewing my perspective and making it harder to wrap my head around. Help me please!","c_root_id_A":"i1e7fio","c_root_id_B":"i1bsgoj","created_at_utc_A":1647777723,"created_at_utc_B":1647724388,"score_A":5,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"OP, it seems to me like your assessment that torque is all that matters is based on the fact that the online calculators use the torque curve as their input, and not the hp curve. What I think you are missing is that the torque curve and the hp curve are two different representations of exactly the same data. Give me one and I can directly calculate the other. So, the calculators could have been written to use the hp curve as the input if they wanted to, I guess it\u2019s just convenient to use the torque curve. Fundamentally though, both curves are showing the same thing, just in two different ways.","human_ref_B":"Horspwer is a measurement of torque and engine rpm when looking at an engine dyno.  Hp = Torque x rpm\/5252   Yes horsepower matters, its just a different unit of measurement. But its all about your frame of reference. If you make more torque at a certain rpm, you will obviously make more Hp. If you make more Hp at a certain rpm, you will obviously make more torque.  This is why i roll my eyes when someone says its all about the torque, not the horsepower.  To back up my claim, look at every graph of an engine dyno, torque and Hp will always intersect at 5,252rpm...","labels":1,"seconds_difference":53335.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"thzfo1","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"WTF is horsepower and does it actually matter? I'm sorry if this is the wrong place to post it, but I figured you guys would hopefully know the answer.     I'm a long time car guy, certified engine machinist, automotive nutcase. Something I've been having a hard time with recently is horsepower. This all came about because I was discussing gear shift points for maximum acceleration, with some fellows on the interweb. Many people were of the erroneous understanding that the best time to shift for maximum acceleration is at peak hp, however the actual answer is based on current torque x current gear ratio compared to shifted torque x shifted gear ratio.   What really stands out to me is that from a peak acceleration perspective, hp has literally no part of this calculation. Which then made me wonder, why on earth do we care about hp then? All you ever hear talk about is hp, and many manufacturers go out of their way to prioritize peak hp over ample torque, especially when designing a race oriented vehicle.  I've watched videos before explaining what hp is and why it matters, but I feel like they always glaze over most of the important details and skip right to the end result. I also feel like my current shift calculation\/acceleration context is probably skewing my perspective and making it harder to wrap my head around. Help me please!","c_root_id_A":"i1e7fio","c_root_id_B":"i1cy9pb","created_at_utc_A":1647777723,"created_at_utc_B":1647744393,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"OP, it seems to me like your assessment that torque is all that matters is based on the fact that the online calculators use the torque curve as their input, and not the hp curve. What I think you are missing is that the torque curve and the hp curve are two different representations of exactly the same data. Give me one and I can directly calculate the other. So, the calculators could have been written to use the hp curve as the input if they wanted to, I guess it\u2019s just convenient to use the torque curve. Fundamentally though, both curves are showing the same thing, just in two different ways.","human_ref_B":"Power is energy produced over a unit time period  Speed \"is\" kinetic energy  More energy = more speed  The more power you're making, the \"quicker\" your speed will increase.  For most cars the power curve is such that it goes up and then dips back down at the latter parts of the rev range. You want to shift at the point where your power output in the higher (next) gear is as close to or equal to the power output in the lower (current) gear.  This is the ONLY right answer and literally everyone gets it wrong.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":33330.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"thzfo1","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"WTF is horsepower and does it actually matter? I'm sorry if this is the wrong place to post it, but I figured you guys would hopefully know the answer.     I'm a long time car guy, certified engine machinist, automotive nutcase. Something I've been having a hard time with recently is horsepower. This all came about because I was discussing gear shift points for maximum acceleration, with some fellows on the interweb. Many people were of the erroneous understanding that the best time to shift for maximum acceleration is at peak hp, however the actual answer is based on current torque x current gear ratio compared to shifted torque x shifted gear ratio.   What really stands out to me is that from a peak acceleration perspective, hp has literally no part of this calculation. Which then made me wonder, why on earth do we care about hp then? All you ever hear talk about is hp, and many manufacturers go out of their way to prioritize peak hp over ample torque, especially when designing a race oriented vehicle.  I've watched videos before explaining what hp is and why it matters, but I feel like they always glaze over most of the important details and skip right to the end result. I also feel like my current shift calculation\/acceleration context is probably skewing my perspective and making it harder to wrap my head around. Help me please!","c_root_id_A":"i1b17qb","c_root_id_B":"i1bsgoj","created_at_utc_A":1647712661,"created_at_utc_B":1647724388,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Every upshift forces the engine to jump across the peak of the lug curve. More power raises the whole curve. Power = torque x speed so as speed increases the available torque is reduced.","human_ref_B":"Horspwer is a measurement of torque and engine rpm when looking at an engine dyno.  Hp = Torque x rpm\/5252   Yes horsepower matters, its just a different unit of measurement. But its all about your frame of reference. If you make more torque at a certain rpm, you will obviously make more Hp. If you make more Hp at a certain rpm, you will obviously make more torque.  This is why i roll my eyes when someone says its all about the torque, not the horsepower.  To back up my claim, look at every graph of an engine dyno, torque and Hp will always intersect at 5,252rpm...","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11727.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"q9lhvq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"I was asked in an interview why am I applying for a manufacturing engineering position as a mech major It was weird seeing how confrontative the question was framed like I\u2019m not supposed to that as a mechanical engineering major. Is this role me selling myself short due to lacking in technicality?","c_root_id_A":"hgx2k78","c_root_id_B":"hgy8ibs","created_at_utc_A":1634426048,"created_at_utc_B":1634447459,"score_A":4,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"If you were a manufacturing engineering major they would have still asked you the same question. It's a standard question, \"Why do you want this job\".","human_ref_B":"HR doesn\u2019t know jack. I went to a career fair in college when my specialty was manufacturing and I had an HR person ask me why I was applying at a production company when I specialized in manufacturing as if there was a difference between the 2","labels":0,"seconds_difference":21411.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"q9lhvq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"I was asked in an interview why am I applying for a manufacturing engineering position as a mech major It was weird seeing how confrontative the question was framed like I\u2019m not supposed to that as a mechanical engineering major. Is this role me selling myself short due to lacking in technicality?","c_root_id_A":"hgxqapz","c_root_id_B":"hgy8ibs","created_at_utc_A":1634437427,"created_at_utc_B":1634447459,"score_A":2,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"I mean\u2026what kind of manufacturing?  I work in electronics manufacturing as a test engineer. I need to know about the fundamentals of PCB assembly and testing. My job prefers EEs because of this.","human_ref_B":"HR doesn\u2019t know jack. I went to a career fair in college when my specialty was manufacturing and I had an HR person ask me why I was applying at a production company when I specialized in manufacturing as if there was a difference between the 2","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10032.0,"score_ratio":6.0}
{"post_id":"q9lhvq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"I was asked in an interview why am I applying for a manufacturing engineering position as a mech major It was weird seeing how confrontative the question was framed like I\u2019m not supposed to that as a mechanical engineering major. Is this role me selling myself short due to lacking in technicality?","c_root_id_A":"hgy824n","c_root_id_B":"hgy8ibs","created_at_utc_A":1634447164,"created_at_utc_B":1634447459,"score_A":2,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"manufacturing is long hours, lots of work, and stressful. They want to know if you're up to the challenge or will dip in a year","human_ref_B":"HR doesn\u2019t know jack. I went to a career fair in college when my specialty was manufacturing and I had an HR person ask me why I was applying at a production company when I specialized in manufacturing as if there was a difference between the 2","labels":0,"seconds_difference":295.0,"score_ratio":6.0}
{"post_id":"q9lhvq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"I was asked in an interview why am I applying for a manufacturing engineering position as a mech major It was weird seeing how confrontative the question was framed like I\u2019m not supposed to that as a mechanical engineering major. Is this role me selling myself short due to lacking in technicality?","c_root_id_A":"hgx2k78","c_root_id_B":"hh0177t","created_at_utc_A":1634426048,"created_at_utc_B":1634488286,"score_A":4,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"If you were a manufacturing engineering major they would have still asked you the same question. It's a standard question, \"Why do you want this job\".","human_ref_B":"Manufacturing engineering does not entail as much \"design\" or \"engineering\" as you would think. Manufacturing engineers are basically responsible for the bridge between what the engineers design and a finished part. This can be anything in the middle - such as tooling, packaging, determining assembly flow, supporting machining of the products, etc. It's really important you understand the role manufacturing engineers have vs. mechanical (design) engineers.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":62238.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"q9lhvq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"I was asked in an interview why am I applying for a manufacturing engineering position as a mech major It was weird seeing how confrontative the question was framed like I\u2019m not supposed to that as a mechanical engineering major. Is this role me selling myself short due to lacking in technicality?","c_root_id_A":"hh0177t","c_root_id_B":"hgz2gpo","created_at_utc_A":1634488286,"created_at_utc_B":1634470740,"score_A":6,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Manufacturing engineering does not entail as much \"design\" or \"engineering\" as you would think. Manufacturing engineers are basically responsible for the bridge between what the engineers design and a finished part. This can be anything in the middle - such as tooling, packaging, determining assembly flow, supporting machining of the products, etc. It's really important you understand the role manufacturing engineers have vs. mechanical (design) engineers.","human_ref_B":"This is interesting. I work in manufacturing and the majority of our new engineers are either mechanical or chemical (depending on the products the specific plant makes). Most of the schools we recruit heavily at don't have a specific manufacturing engineering program, and at our plant I think there is a general feeling that MechEs and ChemEs are going to have a stronger technical background than MfgE or IE. Can't say whether that is founded or not, I think that is just something that has developed over the years due to experiences with specific engineers.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":17546.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"q9lhvq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"I was asked in an interview why am I applying for a manufacturing engineering position as a mech major It was weird seeing how confrontative the question was framed like I\u2019m not supposed to that as a mechanical engineering major. Is this role me selling myself short due to lacking in technicality?","c_root_id_A":"hgzes58","c_root_id_B":"hh0177t","created_at_utc_A":1634478149,"created_at_utc_B":1634488286,"score_A":3,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"It\u2019s a question about why you want to go into an operational role vs a design role.  I had the same question when pivoting from a field engineer role into a design engineer role at a consulting firm.","human_ref_B":"Manufacturing engineering does not entail as much \"design\" or \"engineering\" as you would think. Manufacturing engineers are basically responsible for the bridge between what the engineers design and a finished part. This can be anything in the middle - such as tooling, packaging, determining assembly flow, supporting machining of the products, etc. It's really important you understand the role manufacturing engineers have vs. mechanical (design) engineers.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10137.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"q9lhvq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"I was asked in an interview why am I applying for a manufacturing engineering position as a mech major It was weird seeing how confrontative the question was framed like I\u2019m not supposed to that as a mechanical engineering major. Is this role me selling myself short due to lacking in technicality?","c_root_id_A":"hgzlz9t","c_root_id_B":"hh0177t","created_at_utc_A":1634481614,"created_at_utc_B":1634488286,"score_A":3,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"I think it's a good question if asked in a non condescending way. It would help them clarify what your goals are and if they fit the role. When I studied there was no Manufacturing Engineering so to me they are one in the same. It just depends on what you want to focus on.","human_ref_B":"Manufacturing engineering does not entail as much \"design\" or \"engineering\" as you would think. Manufacturing engineers are basically responsible for the bridge between what the engineers design and a finished part. This can be anything in the middle - such as tooling, packaging, determining assembly flow, supporting machining of the products, etc. It's really important you understand the role manufacturing engineers have vs. mechanical (design) engineers.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6672.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"q9lhvq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"I was asked in an interview why am I applying for a manufacturing engineering position as a mech major It was weird seeing how confrontative the question was framed like I\u2019m not supposed to that as a mechanical engineering major. Is this role me selling myself short due to lacking in technicality?","c_root_id_A":"hh0177t","c_root_id_B":"hgxqapz","created_at_utc_A":1634488286,"created_at_utc_B":1634437427,"score_A":6,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Manufacturing engineering does not entail as much \"design\" or \"engineering\" as you would think. Manufacturing engineers are basically responsible for the bridge between what the engineers design and a finished part. This can be anything in the middle - such as tooling, packaging, determining assembly flow, supporting machining of the products, etc. It's really important you understand the role manufacturing engineers have vs. mechanical (design) engineers.","human_ref_B":"I mean\u2026what kind of manufacturing?  I work in electronics manufacturing as a test engineer. I need to know about the fundamentals of PCB assembly and testing. My job prefers EEs because of this.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":50859.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"q9lhvq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"I was asked in an interview why am I applying for a manufacturing engineering position as a mech major It was weird seeing how confrontative the question was framed like I\u2019m not supposed to that as a mechanical engineering major. Is this role me selling myself short due to lacking in technicality?","c_root_id_A":"hh0177t","c_root_id_B":"hgy824n","created_at_utc_A":1634488286,"created_at_utc_B":1634447164,"score_A":6,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Manufacturing engineering does not entail as much \"design\" or \"engineering\" as you would think. Manufacturing engineers are basically responsible for the bridge between what the engineers design and a finished part. This can be anything in the middle - such as tooling, packaging, determining assembly flow, supporting machining of the products, etc. It's really important you understand the role manufacturing engineers have vs. mechanical (design) engineers.","human_ref_B":"manufacturing is long hours, lots of work, and stressful. They want to know if you're up to the challenge or will dip in a year","labels":1,"seconds_difference":41122.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"q9lhvq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"I was asked in an interview why am I applying for a manufacturing engineering position as a mech major It was weird seeing how confrontative the question was framed like I\u2019m not supposed to that as a mechanical engineering major. Is this role me selling myself short due to lacking in technicality?","c_root_id_A":"hgxqapz","c_root_id_B":"hgz2gpo","created_at_utc_A":1634437427,"created_at_utc_B":1634470740,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I mean\u2026what kind of manufacturing?  I work in electronics manufacturing as a test engineer. I need to know about the fundamentals of PCB assembly and testing. My job prefers EEs because of this.","human_ref_B":"This is interesting. I work in manufacturing and the majority of our new engineers are either mechanical or chemical (depending on the products the specific plant makes). Most of the schools we recruit heavily at don't have a specific manufacturing engineering program, and at our plant I think there is a general feeling that MechEs and ChemEs are going to have a stronger technical background than MfgE or IE. Can't say whether that is founded or not, I think that is just something that has developed over the years due to experiences with specific engineers.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":33313.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"q9lhvq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"I was asked in an interview why am I applying for a manufacturing engineering position as a mech major It was weird seeing how confrontative the question was framed like I\u2019m not supposed to that as a mechanical engineering major. Is this role me selling myself short due to lacking in technicality?","c_root_id_A":"hgz2gpo","c_root_id_B":"hgy824n","created_at_utc_A":1634470740,"created_at_utc_B":1634447164,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"This is interesting. I work in manufacturing and the majority of our new engineers are either mechanical or chemical (depending on the products the specific plant makes). Most of the schools we recruit heavily at don't have a specific manufacturing engineering program, and at our plant I think there is a general feeling that MechEs and ChemEs are going to have a stronger technical background than MfgE or IE. Can't say whether that is founded or not, I think that is just something that has developed over the years due to experiences with specific engineers.","human_ref_B":"manufacturing is long hours, lots of work, and stressful. They want to know if you're up to the challenge or will dip in a year","labels":1,"seconds_difference":23576.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"q9lhvq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"I was asked in an interview why am I applying for a manufacturing engineering position as a mech major It was weird seeing how confrontative the question was framed like I\u2019m not supposed to that as a mechanical engineering major. Is this role me selling myself short due to lacking in technicality?","c_root_id_A":"hgzes58","c_root_id_B":"hgxqapz","created_at_utc_A":1634478149,"created_at_utc_B":1634437427,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"It\u2019s a question about why you want to go into an operational role vs a design role.  I had the same question when pivoting from a field engineer role into a design engineer role at a consulting firm.","human_ref_B":"I mean\u2026what kind of manufacturing?  I work in electronics manufacturing as a test engineer. I need to know about the fundamentals of PCB assembly and testing. My job prefers EEs because of this.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":40722.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"q9lhvq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"I was asked in an interview why am I applying for a manufacturing engineering position as a mech major It was weird seeing how confrontative the question was framed like I\u2019m not supposed to that as a mechanical engineering major. Is this role me selling myself short due to lacking in technicality?","c_root_id_A":"hgy824n","c_root_id_B":"hgzes58","created_at_utc_A":1634447164,"created_at_utc_B":1634478149,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"manufacturing is long hours, lots of work, and stressful. They want to know if you're up to the challenge or will dip in a year","human_ref_B":"It\u2019s a question about why you want to go into an operational role vs a design role.  I had the same question when pivoting from a field engineer role into a design engineer role at a consulting firm.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":30985.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"q9lhvq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"I was asked in an interview why am I applying for a manufacturing engineering position as a mech major It was weird seeing how confrontative the question was framed like I\u2019m not supposed to that as a mechanical engineering major. Is this role me selling myself short due to lacking in technicality?","c_root_id_A":"hgzlz9t","c_root_id_B":"hgxqapz","created_at_utc_A":1634481614,"created_at_utc_B":1634437427,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I think it's a good question if asked in a non condescending way. It would help them clarify what your goals are and if they fit the role. When I studied there was no Manufacturing Engineering so to me they are one in the same. It just depends on what you want to focus on.","human_ref_B":"I mean\u2026what kind of manufacturing?  I work in electronics manufacturing as a test engineer. I need to know about the fundamentals of PCB assembly and testing. My job prefers EEs because of this.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":44187.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"q9lhvq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"I was asked in an interview why am I applying for a manufacturing engineering position as a mech major It was weird seeing how confrontative the question was framed like I\u2019m not supposed to that as a mechanical engineering major. Is this role me selling myself short due to lacking in technicality?","c_root_id_A":"hgzlz9t","c_root_id_B":"hgy824n","created_at_utc_A":1634481614,"created_at_utc_B":1634447164,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I think it's a good question if asked in a non condescending way. It would help them clarify what your goals are and if they fit the role. When I studied there was no Manufacturing Engineering so to me they are one in the same. It just depends on what you want to focus on.","human_ref_B":"manufacturing is long hours, lots of work, and stressful. They want to know if you're up to the challenge or will dip in a year","labels":1,"seconds_difference":34450.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"rzjadu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"A full time engineering job, and a remote part time engineering opportunity. What are some things I should consider if I do take it? I was fortunate enough to be head hunted by a recruiter, they're looking for someone to work 15hrs a week.  My job says I cannot do anything that competes with my main role in anyway.  P.S. I have only been working FT for a year. What is a good way to know if this second job is \"competing\" I assume it's not. But is there a intuitive way without asking HR?.....","c_root_id_A":"hrvl36t","c_root_id_B":"hrvn1pu","created_at_utc_A":1641705003,"created_at_utc_B":1641706066,"score_A":7,"score_B":19,"human_ref_A":"If the business hours conflict at all. It is unlikely that ths part time job requires 0 normal business hours.   It sounds like a slippery slope and a great way to end with 0 jobs, or at a minimum getting burned out quickly. Are you also 100% sure the 15 hours a week won't creep into more?  Recruiters (especially 3rd party) are notorious for telling you anything you want to hear. They get a % of your salary.","human_ref_B":"The employer at the full time position is giving you benefits, salary, and (one would assume) a position for indefinite period of time as long as their business doesnt get fucked OR YOU DONT FUCK THEM OVER. Employers usually state \u201cno conflict\u201d positions in addition to the \u201cany second job that impacts your performance\u201d spiel. Advice is dont do it. Seriously. You\u2019re saying (at a minimum) you can work 55 hours for two different companies, with multiple groups, separate clients, and presumably different hardware\/software. Freelance is abundant out there in engineering industry. There is a reason you don\u2019t hear about many people having full-time jobs and a part time job like you are describing. Ive worked with people in those positions and they were horrible performers. And when shit hits the fan, youre the first person on the chopping block.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1063.0,"score_ratio":2.7142857143}
{"post_id":"rzjadu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"A full time engineering job, and a remote part time engineering opportunity. What are some things I should consider if I do take it? I was fortunate enough to be head hunted by a recruiter, they're looking for someone to work 15hrs a week.  My job says I cannot do anything that competes with my main role in anyway.  P.S. I have only been working FT for a year. What is a good way to know if this second job is \"competing\" I assume it's not. But is there a intuitive way without asking HR?.....","c_root_id_A":"hrxo846","c_root_id_B":"hrx8oge","created_at_utc_A":1641748057,"created_at_utc_B":1641742063,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"If you do this and your current employer finds out they will 100% fire you.","human_ref_B":"Have you signed anything with your current job for generating intellectual property?   My current job, I agreed to give ownership of anything I created in my off hours if I didn't have prior written agreement.  So, if I'm developing the next new dating app, they'd have a claim to it. Even if it wasn't related to airplanes.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5994.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"rzjadu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"A full time engineering job, and a remote part time engineering opportunity. What are some things I should consider if I do take it? I was fortunate enough to be head hunted by a recruiter, they're looking for someone to work 15hrs a week.  My job says I cannot do anything that competes with my main role in anyway.  P.S. I have only been working FT for a year. What is a good way to know if this second job is \"competing\" I assume it's not. But is there a intuitive way without asking HR?.....","c_root_id_A":"hrxo846","c_root_id_B":"hrwimig","created_at_utc_A":1641748057,"created_at_utc_B":1641727992,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"If you do this and your current employer finds out they will 100% fire you.","human_ref_B":"If you can do the work on your own time. Fly under the  radar. Might be worth doing. Could be the first step in working for yourself","labels":1,"seconds_difference":20065.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"rzjadu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"A full time engineering job, and a remote part time engineering opportunity. What are some things I should consider if I do take it? I was fortunate enough to be head hunted by a recruiter, they're looking for someone to work 15hrs a week.  My job says I cannot do anything that competes with my main role in anyway.  P.S. I have only been working FT for a year. What is a good way to know if this second job is \"competing\" I assume it's not. But is there a intuitive way without asking HR?.....","c_root_id_A":"hrwqzei","c_root_id_B":"hrxo846","created_at_utc_A":1641733494,"created_at_utc_B":1641748057,"score_A":2,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Look at your company policy. It may require prior approval. That is how they determine \u201ccompetition\u201d.  In your case, I believe that it would be denied because you will be performing similar work and while the companies might not be competing against each other in the same industry, they are competing for your time and IP can get very incestive between two companies.   I knew of a software engineer with two full time jobs, neither company knew. Completely different business section and domain. Irrelevant, he did not ask because he knew it be denied, he got caught and fired.","human_ref_B":"If you do this and your current employer finds out they will 100% fire you.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":14563.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"rzjadu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"A full time engineering job, and a remote part time engineering opportunity. What are some things I should consider if I do take it? I was fortunate enough to be head hunted by a recruiter, they're looking for someone to work 15hrs a week.  My job says I cannot do anything that competes with my main role in anyway.  P.S. I have only been working FT for a year. What is a good way to know if this second job is \"competing\" I assume it's not. But is there a intuitive way without asking HR?.....","c_root_id_A":"hrwimig","c_root_id_B":"hrx8oge","created_at_utc_A":1641727992,"created_at_utc_B":1641742063,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"If you can do the work on your own time. Fly under the  radar. Might be worth doing. Could be the first step in working for yourself","human_ref_B":"Have you signed anything with your current job for generating intellectual property?   My current job, I agreed to give ownership of anything I created in my off hours if I didn't have prior written agreement.  So, if I'm developing the next new dating app, they'd have a claim to it. Even if it wasn't related to airplanes.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":14071.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"rzjadu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"A full time engineering job, and a remote part time engineering opportunity. What are some things I should consider if I do take it? I was fortunate enough to be head hunted by a recruiter, they're looking for someone to work 15hrs a week.  My job says I cannot do anything that competes with my main role in anyway.  P.S. I have only been working FT for a year. What is a good way to know if this second job is \"competing\" I assume it's not. But is there a intuitive way without asking HR?.....","c_root_id_A":"hrx8oge","c_root_id_B":"hrwqzei","created_at_utc_A":1641742063,"created_at_utc_B":1641733494,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Have you signed anything with your current job for generating intellectual property?   My current job, I agreed to give ownership of anything I created in my off hours if I didn't have prior written agreement.  So, if I'm developing the next new dating app, they'd have a claim to it. Even if it wasn't related to airplanes.","human_ref_B":"Look at your company policy. It may require prior approval. That is how they determine \u201ccompetition\u201d.  In your case, I believe that it would be denied because you will be performing similar work and while the companies might not be competing against each other in the same industry, they are competing for your time and IP can get very incestive between two companies.   I knew of a software engineer with two full time jobs, neither company knew. Completely different business section and domain. Irrelevant, he did not ask because he knew it be denied, he got caught and fired.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8569.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"zr8p1t","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"coworker asked me to calculate how much percent thread engagement would be affected by increasing the minor diameter of a threaded hole. I'm guessing there is a formula for this?","c_root_id_A":"j12c3yo","c_root_id_B":"j12w1vk","created_at_utc_A":1671594348,"created_at_utc_B":1671606543,"score_A":10,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019d take the 1a and 3a (or max and min of whatever fit spec) diameters and plot a line. Use that line to approximate the engagement at other diameters.","human_ref_B":"Never heard of that being a concern. Done loads of bolt analyses. Thread depth is the sensitive parameter. If you've fucked up and have an oversized hole you can switch to fine thread which requires a slightly larger hole and is unintuitively stronger.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":12195.0,"score_ratio":1.4}
{"post_id":"zr8p1t","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"coworker asked me to calculate how much percent thread engagement would be affected by increasing the minor diameter of a threaded hole. I'm guessing there is a formula for this?","c_root_id_A":"j12sohh","c_root_id_B":"j12w1vk","created_at_utc_A":1671604114,"created_at_utc_B":1671606543,"score_A":3,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"ASME B1.1 has the thread tables and some formulas for thread strength, that\u2019s a good reference to look through.   I haven\u2019t really checked, but if by thread engagement you\u2019re talking about the thread tensile area, I don\u2019t think changing the minor diameter between standard fit classes would change it all that much. Check it out and let us know how different it is.","human_ref_B":"Never heard of that being a concern. Done loads of bolt analyses. Thread depth is the sensitive parameter. If you've fucked up and have an oversized hole you can switch to fine thread which requires a slightly larger hole and is unintuitively stronger.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2429.0,"score_ratio":4.6666666667}
{"post_id":"pnm1fg","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"I don\u2019t know what to do about my boss  I\u2019m 25M working in an engineering consultancy in London. As a systems engineer but I have a masters in mechanical.   I\u2019ve been wfh commuting down to London 1-2 days a week due to covid. I\u2019ve been getting the feeling my boss is a bit of a busybody twat and turns out, he is. After being told for 2 weeks that there was no pressure to find anywhere in London yet and I could take my time, they\u2019ve suddenly u-turned and told me I have 2 weeks.   Finding a place in London on a grad salary in 2 weeks? Close to impossible at this time of the year. I\u2019ll have to get up at 5:30am every day and get back at 10.   I feel so so stressed out by this. Add on to this that me and my gf have gone long distance, my dad has health issues and I\u2019m moving away from my family properly for the first time since college, I\u2019m honestly a giant ball of stress.   My boss is saying there\u2019s no leeway on this even though I could easily do this entire job from home. The only reason to be in the office is coz he wants me to be. Nothing to do with the job.   I don\u2019t know what to do.  I\u2019m thinking of quitting because this is too much, but I don\u2019t want to go back to shitty bar jobs. It took me a year to find this and a masters in engineering. It was also my dream to go to London but I\u2019m questioning if it\u2019s for me anymore.   I\u2019m struggling and need some advice. Sorry if this is the wrong place to post.   Thanks","c_root_id_A":"hcqktt8","c_root_id_B":"hcq5fyb","created_at_utc_A":1631566519,"created_at_utc_B":1631560320,"score_A":43,"score_B":35,"human_ref_A":"Ask if you can sleep on your boss's couch until you find a place, that'll shut them up fast.","human_ref_B":"I dont think I have any useful advice but I wanted to lend whatever emotional support a reddit comment is worth, sounds like you're in a tough spot  Personally I think I would stick with it temporarily, given finding the first job is the hardest. That said it doesn't sound like a great work environment so maybe keep an eye on the exist and bolt whenever another opportunity turns up?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6199.0,"score_ratio":1.2285714286}
{"post_id":"pnm1fg","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"I don\u2019t know what to do about my boss  I\u2019m 25M working in an engineering consultancy in London. As a systems engineer but I have a masters in mechanical.   I\u2019ve been wfh commuting down to London 1-2 days a week due to covid. I\u2019ve been getting the feeling my boss is a bit of a busybody twat and turns out, he is. After being told for 2 weeks that there was no pressure to find anywhere in London yet and I could take my time, they\u2019ve suddenly u-turned and told me I have 2 weeks.   Finding a place in London on a grad salary in 2 weeks? Close to impossible at this time of the year. I\u2019ll have to get up at 5:30am every day and get back at 10.   I feel so so stressed out by this. Add on to this that me and my gf have gone long distance, my dad has health issues and I\u2019m moving away from my family properly for the first time since college, I\u2019m honestly a giant ball of stress.   My boss is saying there\u2019s no leeway on this even though I could easily do this entire job from home. The only reason to be in the office is coz he wants me to be. Nothing to do with the job.   I don\u2019t know what to do.  I\u2019m thinking of quitting because this is too much, but I don\u2019t want to go back to shitty bar jobs. It took me a year to find this and a masters in engineering. It was also my dream to go to London but I\u2019m questioning if it\u2019s for me anymore.   I\u2019m struggling and need some advice. Sorry if this is the wrong place to post.   Thanks","c_root_id_A":"hcqd7lj","c_root_id_B":"hcqktt8","created_at_utc_A":1631563451,"created_at_utc_B":1631566519,"score_A":14,"score_B":43,"human_ref_A":"Could maybe ask for some relocation assistance? This is your first job after masters but might not quite be entry level so idk if you get that.   Either way seems like a shitty situation with a shit boss. Good luck man.","human_ref_B":"Ask if you can sleep on your boss's couch until you find a place, that'll shut them up fast.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3068.0,"score_ratio":3.0714285714}
{"post_id":"pnm1fg","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"I don\u2019t know what to do about my boss  I\u2019m 25M working in an engineering consultancy in London. As a systems engineer but I have a masters in mechanical.   I\u2019ve been wfh commuting down to London 1-2 days a week due to covid. I\u2019ve been getting the feeling my boss is a bit of a busybody twat and turns out, he is. After being told for 2 weeks that there was no pressure to find anywhere in London yet and I could take my time, they\u2019ve suddenly u-turned and told me I have 2 weeks.   Finding a place in London on a grad salary in 2 weeks? Close to impossible at this time of the year. I\u2019ll have to get up at 5:30am every day and get back at 10.   I feel so so stressed out by this. Add on to this that me and my gf have gone long distance, my dad has health issues and I\u2019m moving away from my family properly for the first time since college, I\u2019m honestly a giant ball of stress.   My boss is saying there\u2019s no leeway on this even though I could easily do this entire job from home. The only reason to be in the office is coz he wants me to be. Nothing to do with the job.   I don\u2019t know what to do.  I\u2019m thinking of quitting because this is too much, but I don\u2019t want to go back to shitty bar jobs. It took me a year to find this and a masters in engineering. It was also my dream to go to London but I\u2019m questioning if it\u2019s for me anymore.   I\u2019m struggling and need some advice. Sorry if this is the wrong place to post.   Thanks","c_root_id_A":"hcqdvqq","c_root_id_B":"hcqktt8","created_at_utc_A":1631563719,"created_at_utc_B":1631566519,"score_A":7,"score_B":43,"human_ref_A":"How long have you worked for them? Are you in probationary period still? A lot depends on the company. Does it have an HR department?","human_ref_B":"Ask if you can sleep on your boss's couch until you find a place, that'll shut them up fast.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2800.0,"score_ratio":6.1428571429}
{"post_id":"pnm1fg","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"I don\u2019t know what to do about my boss  I\u2019m 25M working in an engineering consultancy in London. As a systems engineer but I have a masters in mechanical.   I\u2019ve been wfh commuting down to London 1-2 days a week due to covid. I\u2019ve been getting the feeling my boss is a bit of a busybody twat and turns out, he is. After being told for 2 weeks that there was no pressure to find anywhere in London yet and I could take my time, they\u2019ve suddenly u-turned and told me I have 2 weeks.   Finding a place in London on a grad salary in 2 weeks? Close to impossible at this time of the year. I\u2019ll have to get up at 5:30am every day and get back at 10.   I feel so so stressed out by this. Add on to this that me and my gf have gone long distance, my dad has health issues and I\u2019m moving away from my family properly for the first time since college, I\u2019m honestly a giant ball of stress.   My boss is saying there\u2019s no leeway on this even though I could easily do this entire job from home. The only reason to be in the office is coz he wants me to be. Nothing to do with the job.   I don\u2019t know what to do.  I\u2019m thinking of quitting because this is too much, but I don\u2019t want to go back to shitty bar jobs. It took me a year to find this and a masters in engineering. It was also my dream to go to London but I\u2019m questioning if it\u2019s for me anymore.   I\u2019m struggling and need some advice. Sorry if this is the wrong place to post.   Thanks","c_root_id_A":"hcqktt8","c_root_id_B":"hcqi3tj","created_at_utc_A":1631566519,"created_at_utc_B":1631565406,"score_A":43,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Ask if you can sleep on your boss's couch until you find a place, that'll shut them up fast.","human_ref_B":"Why anyone would want to work in London.. I've no idea.  Move out, the pay for engineers is fairly consistent across the UK for big companies.. and the ratio to cost of living just gets better out of London.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1113.0,"score_ratio":10.75}
{"post_id":"pnm1fg","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"I don\u2019t know what to do about my boss  I\u2019m 25M working in an engineering consultancy in London. As a systems engineer but I have a masters in mechanical.   I\u2019ve been wfh commuting down to London 1-2 days a week due to covid. I\u2019ve been getting the feeling my boss is a bit of a busybody twat and turns out, he is. After being told for 2 weeks that there was no pressure to find anywhere in London yet and I could take my time, they\u2019ve suddenly u-turned and told me I have 2 weeks.   Finding a place in London on a grad salary in 2 weeks? Close to impossible at this time of the year. I\u2019ll have to get up at 5:30am every day and get back at 10.   I feel so so stressed out by this. Add on to this that me and my gf have gone long distance, my dad has health issues and I\u2019m moving away from my family properly for the first time since college, I\u2019m honestly a giant ball of stress.   My boss is saying there\u2019s no leeway on this even though I could easily do this entire job from home. The only reason to be in the office is coz he wants me to be. Nothing to do with the job.   I don\u2019t know what to do.  I\u2019m thinking of quitting because this is too much, but I don\u2019t want to go back to shitty bar jobs. It took me a year to find this and a masters in engineering. It was also my dream to go to London but I\u2019m questioning if it\u2019s for me anymore.   I\u2019m struggling and need some advice. Sorry if this is the wrong place to post.   Thanks","c_root_id_A":"hcr8c35","c_root_id_B":"hcrm42c","created_at_utc_A":1631577077,"created_at_utc_B":1631583399,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"... What happens at the end of two weeks? Did they say they would fire you?","human_ref_B":"You'll notice regularly that customers (and yes, your boss is a customer who you sell your labor and time to) regularly aren't fully aware of what requirements are necessary, regardless of how confident they seem in asking for them.  As others have said, it's very important to communicate what your agreement was prior to this shift, and the limiting factors that will drastically influence your ability to deliver your value while greatly degrading your mental health. You are responsible for communicating this to them, and to your boss's boss and\/or HR if necessary, because they would have no way of knowing.  It's a bit scary to do the first few times, but as an asset to your company, and as you owe it to yourself, just explain it to them plainly and objectively. It's hard to feel like you aren't at fault, but it's their job to understand that you're a human, not an unfeeling \"yes man\" robot.  Draft an email and send it to him tonight when you feel it's an accurate explanation of your situation. Ask to talk in person or on the phone tomorrow to take care of this before time allows it to get out of hand. You're being responsible in this way, and this will lead to the best possible outcome for you AND your company, whatever that may be.  Good luck!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6322.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"pt0vrk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"When there's a problem stuck in your head, how do you shut down the part of your brain that's working on it when you are trying to relax?","c_root_id_A":"hdtivju","c_root_id_B":"hdtee2r","created_at_utc_A":1632296450,"created_at_utc_B":1632292549,"score_A":171,"score_B":55,"human_ref_A":"The best trick I've found is write it out.  Document all your current thinking and plans for next steps so you can confidently pick up your notes in the morning and you won't have missed anything.  Once I've done this, my mind can finally let that thing go for the moment.","human_ref_B":"Get sucked into a different problem","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3901.0,"score_ratio":3.1090909091}
{"post_id":"pt0vrk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"When there's a problem stuck in your head, how do you shut down the part of your brain that's working on it when you are trying to relax?","c_root_id_A":"hdtecth","c_root_id_B":"hdtivju","created_at_utc_A":1632292522,"created_at_utc_B":1632296450,"score_A":14,"score_B":171,"human_ref_A":"Mindfulness meditation can help","human_ref_B":"The best trick I've found is write it out.  Document all your current thinking and plans for next steps so you can confidently pick up your notes in the morning and you won't have missed anything.  Once I've done this, my mind can finally let that thing go for the moment.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3928.0,"score_ratio":12.2142857143}
{"post_id":"pt0vrk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"When there's a problem stuck in your head, how do you shut down the part of your brain that's working on it when you are trying to relax?","c_root_id_A":"hdtivju","c_root_id_B":"hdt9zot","created_at_utc_A":1632296450,"created_at_utc_B":1632289172,"score_A":171,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"The best trick I've found is write it out.  Document all your current thinking and plans for next steps so you can confidently pick up your notes in the morning and you won't have missed anything.  Once I've done this, my mind can finally let that thing go for the moment.","human_ref_B":"I love this question. I'd ask this to a good psychologist and read about stress, what parts of the brain are activated by it, etc. The Body Keeps the Score is about how the body\/mind deals with trauma.   I started an SSRI this year and I'm SO MUCH more able to disconnect from stress, but it's hard to be motivated about things too. In ADHD and traumatized people often have executive functioning problems and this makes things like planning, organizing, and stuff tough.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7278.0,"score_ratio":24.4285714286}
{"post_id":"pt0vrk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"When there's a problem stuck in your head, how do you shut down the part of your brain that's working on it when you are trying to relax?","c_root_id_A":"hdtee2r","c_root_id_B":"hdtecth","created_at_utc_A":1632292549,"created_at_utc_B":1632292522,"score_A":55,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"Get sucked into a different problem","human_ref_B":"Mindfulness meditation can help","labels":1,"seconds_difference":27.0,"score_ratio":3.9285714286}
{"post_id":"pt0vrk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"When there's a problem stuck in your head, how do you shut down the part of your brain that's working on it when you are trying to relax?","c_root_id_A":"hdtee2r","c_root_id_B":"hdt9zot","created_at_utc_A":1632292549,"created_at_utc_B":1632289172,"score_A":55,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Get sucked into a different problem","human_ref_B":"I love this question. I'd ask this to a good psychologist and read about stress, what parts of the brain are activated by it, etc. The Body Keeps the Score is about how the body\/mind deals with trauma.   I started an SSRI this year and I'm SO MUCH more able to disconnect from stress, but it's hard to be motivated about things too. In ADHD and traumatized people often have executive functioning problems and this makes things like planning, organizing, and stuff tough.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3377.0,"score_ratio":7.8571428571}
{"post_id":"pt0vrk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"When there's a problem stuck in your head, how do you shut down the part of your brain that's working on it when you are trying to relax?","c_root_id_A":"hdtl8ho","c_root_id_B":"hdtecth","created_at_utc_A":1632298666,"created_at_utc_B":1632292522,"score_A":40,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"I've sought out hobbies that involve more physical work, beating on a car or working on some other project in my shop for a bit really helps me decompress. And something that provides visible progress sometimes feels really refreshing if I'm not necessarily getting that from my day job at that moment.  An adult beverage can also occasionally help damp the noise, though this isn't necessarily the healthiest coping mechanism to use on a regular basis.","human_ref_B":"Mindfulness meditation can help","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6144.0,"score_ratio":2.8571428571}
{"post_id":"pt0vrk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"When there's a problem stuck in your head, how do you shut down the part of your brain that's working on it when you are trying to relax?","c_root_id_A":"hdtl8ho","c_root_id_B":"hdt9zot","created_at_utc_A":1632298666,"created_at_utc_B":1632289172,"score_A":40,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"I've sought out hobbies that involve more physical work, beating on a car or working on some other project in my shop for a bit really helps me decompress. And something that provides visible progress sometimes feels really refreshing if I'm not necessarily getting that from my day job at that moment.  An adult beverage can also occasionally help damp the noise, though this isn't necessarily the healthiest coping mechanism to use on a regular basis.","human_ref_B":"I love this question. I'd ask this to a good psychologist and read about stress, what parts of the brain are activated by it, etc. The Body Keeps the Score is about how the body\/mind deals with trauma.   I started an SSRI this year and I'm SO MUCH more able to disconnect from stress, but it's hard to be motivated about things too. In ADHD and traumatized people often have executive functioning problems and this makes things like planning, organizing, and stuff tough.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9494.0,"score_ratio":5.7142857143}
{"post_id":"pt0vrk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"When there's a problem stuck in your head, how do you shut down the part of your brain that's working on it when you are trying to relax?","c_root_id_A":"hdtpk0k","c_root_id_B":"hdtecth","created_at_utc_A":1632302795,"created_at_utc_B":1632292522,"score_A":29,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"That's the neat part, you don't","human_ref_B":"Mindfulness meditation can help","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10273.0,"score_ratio":2.0714285714}
{"post_id":"pt0vrk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"When there's a problem stuck in your head, how do you shut down the part of your brain that's working on it when you are trying to relax?","c_root_id_A":"hdt9zot","c_root_id_B":"hdtpk0k","created_at_utc_A":1632289172,"created_at_utc_B":1632302795,"score_A":7,"score_B":29,"human_ref_A":"I love this question. I'd ask this to a good psychologist and read about stress, what parts of the brain are activated by it, etc. The Body Keeps the Score is about how the body\/mind deals with trauma.   I started an SSRI this year and I'm SO MUCH more able to disconnect from stress, but it's hard to be motivated about things too. In ADHD and traumatized people often have executive functioning problems and this makes things like planning, organizing, and stuff tough.","human_ref_B":"That's the neat part, you don't","labels":0,"seconds_difference":13623.0,"score_ratio":4.1428571429}
{"post_id":"pt0vrk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"When there's a problem stuck in your head, how do you shut down the part of your brain that's working on it when you are trying to relax?","c_root_id_A":"hdtohel","c_root_id_B":"hdtpk0k","created_at_utc_A":1632301768,"created_at_utc_B":1632302795,"score_A":7,"score_B":29,"human_ref_A":"I definitely suffer from this. The best I\u2019ve found is art. I\u2019m a terrible artist, but coloring or painting with my kids takes me to a different place. Try a coloring book!","human_ref_B":"That's the neat part, you don't","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1027.0,"score_ratio":4.1428571429}
{"post_id":"pt0vrk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"When there's a problem stuck in your head, how do you shut down the part of your brain that's working on it when you are trying to relax?","c_root_id_A":"hdtov5v","c_root_id_B":"hdtpk0k","created_at_utc_A":1632302140,"created_at_utc_B":1632302795,"score_A":6,"score_B":29,"human_ref_A":"I play games with problems and let it figure itself out. More generally, I often deliberately focus on another problem and let my brain do the heavy lifting.   I like engineering\/computingy games with problems like Human Resource Machine, Factorio and Kerbal Space Program. They give me enjoyable \"problems\" to focus on in lieu of the task that's bothering me.","human_ref_B":"That's the neat part, you don't","labels":0,"seconds_difference":655.0,"score_ratio":4.8333333333}
{"post_id":"pt0vrk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"When there's a problem stuck in your head, how do you shut down the part of your brain that's working on it when you are trying to relax?","c_root_id_A":"hdtecth","c_root_id_B":"hdtrapi","created_at_utc_A":1632292522,"created_at_utc_B":1632304427,"score_A":14,"score_B":20,"human_ref_A":"Mindfulness meditation can help","human_ref_B":".... Engineers relax????  I usually replace it with other problems, or exercise","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11905.0,"score_ratio":1.4285714286}
{"post_id":"pt0vrk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"When there's a problem stuck in your head, how do you shut down the part of your brain that's working on it when you are trying to relax?","c_root_id_A":"hdtrapi","c_root_id_B":"hdtqa4j","created_at_utc_A":1632304427,"created_at_utc_B":1632303484,"score_A":20,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":".... Engineers relax????  I usually replace it with other problems, or exercise","human_ref_B":"With moderation\u2026 drugs.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":943.0,"score_ratio":1.8181818182}
{"post_id":"pt0vrk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"When there's a problem stuck in your head, how do you shut down the part of your brain that's working on it when you are trying to relax?","c_root_id_A":"hdt9zot","c_root_id_B":"hdtrapi","created_at_utc_A":1632289172,"created_at_utc_B":1632304427,"score_A":7,"score_B":20,"human_ref_A":"I love this question. I'd ask this to a good psychologist and read about stress, what parts of the brain are activated by it, etc. The Body Keeps the Score is about how the body\/mind deals with trauma.   I started an SSRI this year and I'm SO MUCH more able to disconnect from stress, but it's hard to be motivated about things too. In ADHD and traumatized people often have executive functioning problems and this makes things like planning, organizing, and stuff tough.","human_ref_B":".... Engineers relax????  I usually replace it with other problems, or exercise","labels":0,"seconds_difference":15255.0,"score_ratio":2.8571428571}
{"post_id":"pt0vrk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"When there's a problem stuck in your head, how do you shut down the part of your brain that's working on it when you are trying to relax?","c_root_id_A":"hdtr5sb","c_root_id_B":"hdtrapi","created_at_utc_A":1632304302,"created_at_utc_B":1632304427,"score_A":7,"score_B":20,"human_ref_A":"Activities that encourage a flow state like yoga or playing an instrument. Or really anything creative at all. Or just staring at the wall.","human_ref_B":".... Engineers relax????  I usually replace it with other problems, or exercise","labels":0,"seconds_difference":125.0,"score_ratio":2.8571428571}
{"post_id":"pt0vrk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"When there's a problem stuck in your head, how do you shut down the part of your brain that's working on it when you are trying to relax?","c_root_id_A":"hdtohel","c_root_id_B":"hdtrapi","created_at_utc_A":1632301768,"created_at_utc_B":1632304427,"score_A":7,"score_B":20,"human_ref_A":"I definitely suffer from this. The best I\u2019ve found is art. I\u2019m a terrible artist, but coloring or painting with my kids takes me to a different place. Try a coloring book!","human_ref_B":".... Engineers relax????  I usually replace it with other problems, or exercise","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2659.0,"score_ratio":2.8571428571}
{"post_id":"pt0vrk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"When there's a problem stuck in your head, how do you shut down the part of your brain that's working on it when you are trying to relax?","c_root_id_A":"hdtrapi","c_root_id_B":"hdtov5v","created_at_utc_A":1632304427,"created_at_utc_B":1632302140,"score_A":20,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":".... Engineers relax????  I usually replace it with other problems, or exercise","human_ref_B":"I play games with problems and let it figure itself out. More generally, I often deliberately focus on another problem and let my brain do the heavy lifting.   I like engineering\/computingy games with problems like Human Resource Machine, Factorio and Kerbal Space Program. They give me enjoyable \"problems\" to focus on in lieu of the task that's bothering me.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2287.0,"score_ratio":3.3333333333}
{"post_id":"pt0vrk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"When there's a problem stuck in your head, how do you shut down the part of your brain that's working on it when you are trying to relax?","c_root_id_A":"hdtrapi","c_root_id_B":"hdtq7hi","created_at_utc_A":1632304427,"created_at_utc_B":1632303415,"score_A":20,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":".... Engineers relax????  I usually replace it with other problems, or exercise","human_ref_B":"I have to write it out.  Get the things that stress you out and demand your attention out of your head and onto paper, in a file, onto your calendar, etc.  That's the *Getting Things Done* way of doing it.    Once it's out of your head and into a 'backlog' of sorts, you can go through and sort your backlog, further develop your ideas, *make time* to work on them in the future, etc.  The one exception is if it takes less than two minutes to do it, just do it--it's not worth the planning effort if it only takes two minutes.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1012.0,"score_ratio":6.6666666667}
{"post_id":"pt0vrk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"When there's a problem stuck in your head, how do you shut down the part of your brain that's working on it when you are trying to relax?","c_root_id_A":"hdt9zot","c_root_id_B":"hdtecth","created_at_utc_A":1632289172,"created_at_utc_B":1632292522,"score_A":7,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"I love this question. I'd ask this to a good psychologist and read about stress, what parts of the brain are activated by it, etc. The Body Keeps the Score is about how the body\/mind deals with trauma.   I started an SSRI this year and I'm SO MUCH more able to disconnect from stress, but it's hard to be motivated about things too. In ADHD and traumatized people often have executive functioning problems and this makes things like planning, organizing, and stuff tough.","human_ref_B":"Mindfulness meditation can help","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3350.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"pt0vrk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"When there's a problem stuck in your head, how do you shut down the part of your brain that's working on it when you are trying to relax?","c_root_id_A":"hdt9zot","c_root_id_B":"hdtqa4j","created_at_utc_A":1632289172,"created_at_utc_B":1632303484,"score_A":7,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"I love this question. I'd ask this to a good psychologist and read about stress, what parts of the brain are activated by it, etc. The Body Keeps the Score is about how the body\/mind deals with trauma.   I started an SSRI this year and I'm SO MUCH more able to disconnect from stress, but it's hard to be motivated about things too. In ADHD and traumatized people often have executive functioning problems and this makes things like planning, organizing, and stuff tough.","human_ref_B":"With moderation\u2026 drugs.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":14312.0,"score_ratio":1.5714285714}
{"post_id":"pt0vrk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"When there's a problem stuck in your head, how do you shut down the part of your brain that's working on it when you are trying to relax?","c_root_id_A":"hdtqa4j","c_root_id_B":"hdtohel","created_at_utc_A":1632303484,"created_at_utc_B":1632301768,"score_A":11,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"With moderation\u2026 drugs.","human_ref_B":"I definitely suffer from this. The best I\u2019ve found is art. I\u2019m a terrible artist, but coloring or painting with my kids takes me to a different place. Try a coloring book!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1716.0,"score_ratio":1.5714285714}
{"post_id":"pt0vrk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"When there's a problem stuck in your head, how do you shut down the part of your brain that's working on it when you are trying to relax?","c_root_id_A":"hdtqa4j","c_root_id_B":"hdtov5v","created_at_utc_A":1632303484,"created_at_utc_B":1632302140,"score_A":11,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"With moderation\u2026 drugs.","human_ref_B":"I play games with problems and let it figure itself out. More generally, I often deliberately focus on another problem and let my brain do the heavy lifting.   I like engineering\/computingy games with problems like Human Resource Machine, Factorio and Kerbal Space Program. They give me enjoyable \"problems\" to focus on in lieu of the task that's bothering me.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1344.0,"score_ratio":1.8333333333}
{"post_id":"pt0vrk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"When there's a problem stuck in your head, how do you shut down the part of your brain that's working on it when you are trying to relax?","c_root_id_A":"hdtq7hi","c_root_id_B":"hdtqa4j","created_at_utc_A":1632303415,"created_at_utc_B":1632303484,"score_A":3,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"I have to write it out.  Get the things that stress you out and demand your attention out of your head and onto paper, in a file, onto your calendar, etc.  That's the *Getting Things Done* way of doing it.    Once it's out of your head and into a 'backlog' of sorts, you can go through and sort your backlog, further develop your ideas, *make time* to work on them in the future, etc.  The one exception is if it takes less than two minutes to do it, just do it--it's not worth the planning effort if it only takes two minutes.","human_ref_B":"With moderation\u2026 drugs.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":69.0,"score_ratio":3.6666666667}
{"post_id":"pt0vrk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"When there's a problem stuck in your head, how do you shut down the part of your brain that's working on it when you are trying to relax?","c_root_id_A":"hdtr5sb","c_root_id_B":"hdtov5v","created_at_utc_A":1632304302,"created_at_utc_B":1632302140,"score_A":7,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Activities that encourage a flow state like yoga or playing an instrument. Or really anything creative at all. Or just staring at the wall.","human_ref_B":"I play games with problems and let it figure itself out. More generally, I often deliberately focus on another problem and let my brain do the heavy lifting.   I like engineering\/computingy games with problems like Human Resource Machine, Factorio and Kerbal Space Program. They give me enjoyable \"problems\" to focus on in lieu of the task that's bothering me.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2162.0,"score_ratio":1.1666666667}
{"post_id":"pt0vrk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"When there's a problem stuck in your head, how do you shut down the part of your brain that's working on it when you are trying to relax?","c_root_id_A":"hdtr5sb","c_root_id_B":"hdtq7hi","created_at_utc_A":1632304302,"created_at_utc_B":1632303415,"score_A":7,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Activities that encourage a flow state like yoga or playing an instrument. Or really anything creative at all. Or just staring at the wall.","human_ref_B":"I have to write it out.  Get the things that stress you out and demand your attention out of your head and onto paper, in a file, onto your calendar, etc.  That's the *Getting Things Done* way of doing it.    Once it's out of your head and into a 'backlog' of sorts, you can go through and sort your backlog, further develop your ideas, *make time* to work on them in the future, etc.  The one exception is if it takes less than two minutes to do it, just do it--it's not worth the planning effort if it only takes two minutes.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":887.0,"score_ratio":2.3333333333}
{"post_id":"pt0vrk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"When there's a problem stuck in your head, how do you shut down the part of your brain that's working on it when you are trying to relax?","c_root_id_A":"hdtt54g","c_root_id_B":"hdtq7hi","created_at_utc_A":1632306058,"created_at_utc_B":1632303415,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I have a beer.","human_ref_B":"I have to write it out.  Get the things that stress you out and demand your attention out of your head and onto paper, in a file, onto your calendar, etc.  That's the *Getting Things Done* way of doing it.    Once it's out of your head and into a 'backlog' of sorts, you can go through and sort your backlog, further develop your ideas, *make time* to work on them in the future, etc.  The one exception is if it takes less than two minutes to do it, just do it--it's not worth the planning effort if it only takes two minutes.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2643.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"pt0vrk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"When there's a problem stuck in your head, how do you shut down the part of your brain that's working on it when you are trying to relax?","c_root_id_A":"hdtt54g","c_root_id_B":"hdtrgur","created_at_utc_A":1632306058,"created_at_utc_B":1632304584,"score_A":5,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I have a beer.","human_ref_B":"Hah, that's an excellent question.  I don't think I have a method to get it out of my head, but being alone in nature at least allows me to get some relaxation while still puzzling.  Being away from technology helps you realize how insignificant that technical problem is in the grand scheme of things, so what seems like an annoying obstacle becomes an optional challenge again.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1474.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"pt0vrk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"When there's a problem stuck in your head, how do you shut down the part of your brain that's working on it when you are trying to relax?","c_root_id_A":"hdtq7hi","c_root_id_B":"hduw6rd","created_at_utc_A":1632303415,"created_at_utc_B":1632326244,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I have to write it out.  Get the things that stress you out and demand your attention out of your head and onto paper, in a file, onto your calendar, etc.  That's the *Getting Things Done* way of doing it.    Once it's out of your head and into a 'backlog' of sorts, you can go through and sort your backlog, further develop your ideas, *make time* to work on them in the future, etc.  The one exception is if it takes less than two minutes to do it, just do it--it's not worth the planning effort if it only takes two minutes.","human_ref_B":"C2H5OH","labels":0,"seconds_difference":22829.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"pt0vrk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"When there's a problem stuck in your head, how do you shut down the part of your brain that's working on it when you are trying to relax?","c_root_id_A":"hduw6rd","c_root_id_B":"hdtrgur","created_at_utc_A":1632326244,"created_at_utc_B":1632304584,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"C2H5OH","human_ref_B":"Hah, that's an excellent question.  I don't think I have a method to get it out of my head, but being alone in nature at least allows me to get some relaxation while still puzzling.  Being away from technology helps you realize how insignificant that technical problem is in the grand scheme of things, so what seems like an annoying obstacle becomes an optional challenge again.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":21660.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"pt0vrk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"When there's a problem stuck in your head, how do you shut down the part of your brain that's working on it when you are trying to relax?","c_root_id_A":"hduw6rd","c_root_id_B":"hdtx8sj","created_at_utc_A":1632326244,"created_at_utc_B":1632309260,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"C2H5OH","human_ref_B":"This is one of the \"points\" of mindfulness meditation, but it's not a rescue technique.  It's a skill you have built up with practice before you get into this situation.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":16984.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"pt0vrk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"When there's a problem stuck in your head, how do you shut down the part of your brain that's working on it when you are trying to relax?","c_root_id_A":"hduw6rd","c_root_id_B":"hdu7vd1","created_at_utc_A":1632326244,"created_at_utc_B":1632315584,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"C2H5OH","human_ref_B":"Beer","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10660.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"2b06p0","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.75,"history":"After graduating last spring I've finally landed myself a great job, this means I have to quit my internship of 15 months, I want to give them a gift but have no ideas? Hello all!  I have recently completed a dual bachelor's in Mechanical and Electrical Engineering (my school is old school and hasn't started using the term \"mechatronics\" yet).  I started an internship in April 2013 that was only supposed to last 6 months but they kept telling me they needed me and my \"good work\" and \"good attitude\" longer.  I stuck around after graduation in May because there was a hint of a full time position opening for me but I guess with budgets the way they are they just can't bring anyone else on.  I began my search for a job and landed two jobs, one good, the other great.  I took the great option and have notified the people at my internship that I'll be resigning.    ---  * I want to buy a good gift for the engineering department to show my gratitude and appreciation, but don't know where to start.  I thought about buying some plants but didn't want to dump the upkeep on them.  Office supplies or anything related is out of the question, as this particular group gets whatever they want if they request it from the company.  I don't really know where else to begin.  ---  If anyone has had a similar experience in the past where a parting member of the team did something nice or gave a gift upon leaving, please let me know.  Ask any and all questions you might have, I welcome all ideas.  Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"cj0qn8i","c_root_id_B":"cj0p4uo","created_at_utc_A":1405668702,"created_at_utc_B":1405662996,"score_A":6,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Whatever you decide, give a short handwritten thank you note to everyone you worked with! It doesn't take a lot of time, shows you appreciate what they taught you, and it sets you apart.","human_ref_B":"Cake? I love it when someone brings cake into the office! Cake or a big jar of sweets.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5706.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"2b06p0","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.75,"history":"After graduating last spring I've finally landed myself a great job, this means I have to quit my internship of 15 months, I want to give them a gift but have no ideas? Hello all!  I have recently completed a dual bachelor's in Mechanical and Electrical Engineering (my school is old school and hasn't started using the term \"mechatronics\" yet).  I started an internship in April 2013 that was only supposed to last 6 months but they kept telling me they needed me and my \"good work\" and \"good attitude\" longer.  I stuck around after graduation in May because there was a hint of a full time position opening for me but I guess with budgets the way they are they just can't bring anyone else on.  I began my search for a job and landed two jobs, one good, the other great.  I took the great option and have notified the people at my internship that I'll be resigning.    ---  * I want to buy a good gift for the engineering department to show my gratitude and appreciation, but don't know where to start.  I thought about buying some plants but didn't want to dump the upkeep on them.  Office supplies or anything related is out of the question, as this particular group gets whatever they want if they request it from the company.  I don't really know where else to begin.  ---  If anyone has had a similar experience in the past where a parting member of the team did something nice or gave a gift upon leaving, please let me know.  Ask any and all questions you might have, I welcome all ideas.  Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"cj0qn8i","c_root_id_B":"cj0qh8p","created_at_utc_A":1405668702,"created_at_utc_B":1405668004,"score_A":6,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Whatever you decide, give a short handwritten thank you note to everyone you worked with! It doesn't take a lot of time, shows you appreciate what they taught you, and it sets you apart.","human_ref_B":"Cake, pizza and beers.  I sure hope they upped your pay after the initial 6 months of the internship, otherwise they should be getting dog crap on their desks as a gift :p","labels":1,"seconds_difference":698.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"yk428h","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"What calculator should I get for the Civil PE exam? My daily calculator is the TI-84 Plus C Silver Edition, is there one that is similar to this one minus the graphing function?","c_root_id_A":"iur6bl6","c_root_id_B":"iur4s4o","created_at_utc_A":1667393898,"created_at_utc_B":1667393121,"score_A":82,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"NCEES is *very* specific about what calculators you can use for the PE exam. If you're Team TI, pick one of those.  https:\/\/ncees.org\/exams\/calculator\/","human_ref_B":"TI 36X PRO or TI 30X PRO MATHPRINT  edit: its TI 30X PRO MATHPRINT not TI 30X PLUS MATHPRINT","labels":1,"seconds_difference":777.0,"score_ratio":5.8571428571}
{"post_id":"yk428h","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"What calculator should I get for the Civil PE exam? My daily calculator is the TI-84 Plus C Silver Edition, is there one that is similar to this one minus the graphing function?","c_root_id_A":"iur6be9","c_root_id_B":"iur6bl6","created_at_utc_A":1667393895,"created_at_utc_B":1667393898,"score_A":8,"score_B":82,"human_ref_A":"I used Casio fx-115ES Plus. I didn\u2019t feel comfortable with the TI\u2026","human_ref_B":"NCEES is *very* specific about what calculators you can use for the PE exam. If you're Team TI, pick one of those.  https:\/\/ncees.org\/exams\/calculator\/","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3.0,"score_ratio":10.25}
{"post_id":"yk428h","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"What calculator should I get for the Civil PE exam? My daily calculator is the TI-84 Plus C Silver Edition, is there one that is similar to this one minus the graphing function?","c_root_id_A":"iurgxmc","c_root_id_B":"iur4s4o","created_at_utc_A":1667398734,"created_at_utc_B":1667393121,"score_A":49,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"Highly recommend the TI-36X Pro","human_ref_B":"TI 36X PRO or TI 30X PRO MATHPRINT  edit: its TI 30X PRO MATHPRINT not TI 30X PLUS MATHPRINT","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5613.0,"score_ratio":3.5}
{"post_id":"yk428h","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"What calculator should I get for the Civil PE exam? My daily calculator is the TI-84 Plus C Silver Edition, is there one that is similar to this one minus the graphing function?","c_root_id_A":"iurgxmc","c_root_id_B":"iur6be9","created_at_utc_A":1667398734,"created_at_utc_B":1667393895,"score_A":49,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"Highly recommend the TI-36X Pro","human_ref_B":"I used Casio fx-115ES Plus. I didn\u2019t feel comfortable with the TI\u2026","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4839.0,"score_ratio":6.125}
{"post_id":"yk428h","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"What calculator should I get for the Civil PE exam? My daily calculator is the TI-84 Plus C Silver Edition, is there one that is similar to this one minus the graphing function?","c_root_id_A":"iur7azy","c_root_id_B":"iurgxmc","created_at_utc_A":1667394383,"created_at_utc_B":1667398734,"score_A":7,"score_B":49,"human_ref_A":"The TI 36x is so similar and less annoying to carry around that it became my daily.","human_ref_B":"Highly recommend the TI-36X Pro","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4351.0,"score_ratio":7.0}
{"post_id":"yk428h","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"What calculator should I get for the Civil PE exam? My daily calculator is the TI-84 Plus C Silver Edition, is there one that is similar to this one minus the graphing function?","c_root_id_A":"iurpido","c_root_id_B":"ius79ju","created_at_utc_A":1667402266,"created_at_utc_B":1667409157,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"The most capable non graphic calculator I have is the TI-68. Showing my age a bit.  But as others have said, just get one from the recommended list and not risk it.","human_ref_B":"I used the TI-36 because I went through school using TI-83\/84 so I was used to the TI interface. However, people who are used to Casio should use Casio.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6891.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"yk428h","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"What calculator should I get for the Civil PE exam? My daily calculator is the TI-84 Plus C Silver Edition, is there one that is similar to this one minus the graphing function?","c_root_id_A":"ius79ju","c_root_id_B":"iuryh1e","created_at_utc_A":1667409157,"created_at_utc_B":1667405789,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I used the TI-36 because I went through school using TI-83\/84 so I was used to the TI interface. However, people who are used to Casio should use Casio.","human_ref_B":"one that qualifies under NCEES rules. they\u2019re all fairly similar","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3368.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"x8xuf7","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What's the hardest technical problem you or your team ever faced? What made it so difficult?","c_root_id_A":"inkxstb","c_root_id_B":"inlmqvf","created_at_utc_A":1662640744,"created_at_utc_B":1662651289,"score_A":54,"score_B":70,"human_ref_A":"> What's the hardest technical problem you faced?  How to increase my salary.   > What made it so difficult?  Companies don't want to pay much for MEs, at least in Europe.  > What's the 2nd hardest technical problem you faced?  Developing a low-nox atmospheric gas burner from idea to series B prototype within a 1yr timeframe.  >  What made it so difficult?  1yr is a very short time (irrealistic management expectations regarding time to market).","human_ref_B":"[REDACTED]","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10545.0,"score_ratio":1.2962962963}
{"post_id":"x8xuf7","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What's the hardest technical problem you or your team ever faced? What made it so difficult?","c_root_id_A":"inlzl9h","c_root_id_B":"inlqhgv","created_at_utc_A":1662656108,"created_at_utc_B":1662652703,"score_A":54,"score_B":26,"human_ref_A":"Getting my degree. Have never been challenged this hard ever again in my entire career.","human_ref_B":"Working with incompetent dickheads from other departments that think they can engineer because they have been given a desk","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3405.0,"score_ratio":2.0769230769}
{"post_id":"x8xuf7","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What's the hardest technical problem you or your team ever faced? What made it so difficult?","c_root_id_A":"inlrgcj","c_root_id_B":"inlzl9h","created_at_utc_A":1662653073,"created_at_utc_B":1662656108,"score_A":14,"score_B":54,"human_ref_A":"How to connect two rural community water systems. They're a few miles apart and most of that gap is filled with a Tiger Salamander preserve.","human_ref_B":"Getting my degree. Have never been challenged this hard ever again in my entire career.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3035.0,"score_ratio":3.8571428571}
{"post_id":"x8xuf7","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What's the hardest technical problem you or your team ever faced? What made it so difficult?","c_root_id_A":"inlrehj","c_root_id_B":"inlzl9h","created_at_utc_A":1662653053,"created_at_utc_B":1662656108,"score_A":9,"score_B":54,"human_ref_A":"I was given orders to stitch a bridge back together after a primary truss member shattered releasing a million pounds of force like bomb drop leaving a sag and a gap and relying on literally every other stick on metal in the bridge to keep it from collapsing.","human_ref_B":"Getting my degree. Have never been challenged this hard ever again in my entire career.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3055.0,"score_ratio":6.0}
{"post_id":"x8xuf7","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What's the hardest technical problem you or your team ever faced? What made it so difficult?","c_root_id_A":"inlrehj","c_root_id_B":"inlrgcj","created_at_utc_A":1662653053,"created_at_utc_B":1662653073,"score_A":9,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"I was given orders to stitch a bridge back together after a primary truss member shattered releasing a million pounds of force like bomb drop leaving a sag and a gap and relying on literally every other stick on metal in the bridge to keep it from collapsing.","human_ref_B":"How to connect two rural community water systems. They're a few miles apart and most of that gap is filled with a Tiger Salamander preserve.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":20.0,"score_ratio":1.5555555556}
{"post_id":"x8xuf7","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What's the hardest technical problem you or your team ever faced? What made it so difficult?","c_root_id_A":"inm5i9i","c_root_id_B":"inm1ubd","created_at_utc_A":1662658326,"created_at_utc_B":1662656950,"score_A":9,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Usually it\u2019s trying to find ways to test for and eliminate the possibility of having failures in \u201ccorner cases\u201d that are very difficult to find in prototype phase, but they can occur in mass production by which time you\u2019re generally already in trouble by the time you identify them.    And it could be more a solvable problem except the testing of every corner case would take an exceedingly long time, an order of magnitude longer than what time we have, and an insane amount of test resources.    So there is no real solution to this yet","human_ref_B":"Most of the time, what you think of as the most technically complex problem is fairly straightforward to solve. It gets brought up early in the process, is given adequate attention, and modeled prior to committing to a build. The hardest problems are usually the ones with artificial constraints like how do I get these to ICs to sync up without a board spin?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1376.0,"score_ratio":1.8}
{"post_id":"x8xuf7","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What's the hardest technical problem you or your team ever faced? What made it so difficult?","c_root_id_A":"innecjb","c_root_id_B":"innhw08","created_at_utc_A":1662675739,"created_at_utc_B":1662677206,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Trying to release the second mass produced USB-C\/PD power adapter while  USB-IF was still releasing red-line copies of the USB-C and Power Delivery specifications.","human_ref_B":"taking 18 semester hours at college in a semester all engineering classes... I regret that...","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1467.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"t3dw6o","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.73,"history":"What are the most important transferable skills an Engineering graduate of the future will need? In your opinion what do you think are the most important transferable skills for a new graduate engineer to hold. This can be technical skills or emotional skills?","c_root_id_A":"hyte78i","c_root_id_B":"hyt4ykl","created_at_utc_A":1646076634,"created_at_utc_B":1646073101,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Understanding the big picture. My young engineers will spend 8 hours designing a new part but never questioned if a new part was necessary.   They rarely think to ask about the business case. Who is the customer? How many are they buying? What's the risk if we build\/ship this and something goes wrong?","human_ref_B":"Communication...  The ability to convey your ideas in a way that others understand and support.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3533.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"syp0fg","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"(Quality Engineers) How do you handle customers that are 100% wrong? Really, if you have any go-to phrases in your arsenal, I could surely use some, I feel like I've already used every phrase there is, every type of strategic communication that I am capable of coming up with.  Over the last 7 months, I have had a roll of customer prioritization; I fix one issue and headache only to move on to the next. Normal, but it's been \"This is now top priority\" from one to the next.  My most recent headache was just this morning, a customer being upset with a report regarding a product they tried to warranty. Long story short, it's not warranty. However, they emailed back within 24 hrs saying, paraphrasing here, that \"I (my company) continuously blame the end-user and one of the products was not even placed in service.\" Keep in mind, like any product, it can be screwed by customers prior to use. Also, this is literally the first return of 2 units within a 6 month period and they also claim they've had so many issues within the last 6 months.   Sometimes, I am literally gasping for air over the \"shocked\" people and insane customer claims over 1-5 products they fucked over and want my company to eat the cost.  Curious to know how you all respond to customers like this.","c_root_id_A":"hxz5n7l","c_root_id_B":"hxz5muq","created_at_utc_A":1645545312,"created_at_utc_B":1645545308,"score_A":24,"score_B":20,"human_ref_A":"> Also, this is literally the first return of 2 units within a 6 month period and they also claim they've had so many issues within the last 6 months.  Lean into it until they have to admit they are grossly exaggerating.   As to the rest of it, it is not clear enough what your role or your companies services are to provide any advice. You are ranting.  If you wanna respond in a collected manner, collect your thoughts appropriately first.   \"Hello customer, it is extremely concerning that you have had tons of issues, I am only aware of two, can you please provide more details so we can look into making our products work better for you?\"","human_ref_B":"Are you the owner of the company or responsible for P&L? If not, relax on it, help the customer out to the best of your ability, and most importantly I find it's to call the customer and talk with them. No emails.   Emails are great, for certain communications. Not so great for others.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4.0,"score_ratio":1.2}
{"post_id":"syp0fg","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"(Quality Engineers) How do you handle customers that are 100% wrong? Really, if you have any go-to phrases in your arsenal, I could surely use some, I feel like I've already used every phrase there is, every type of strategic communication that I am capable of coming up with.  Over the last 7 months, I have had a roll of customer prioritization; I fix one issue and headache only to move on to the next. Normal, but it's been \"This is now top priority\" from one to the next.  My most recent headache was just this morning, a customer being upset with a report regarding a product they tried to warranty. Long story short, it's not warranty. However, they emailed back within 24 hrs saying, paraphrasing here, that \"I (my company) continuously blame the end-user and one of the products was not even placed in service.\" Keep in mind, like any product, it can be screwed by customers prior to use. Also, this is literally the first return of 2 units within a 6 month period and they also claim they've had so many issues within the last 6 months.   Sometimes, I am literally gasping for air over the \"shocked\" people and insane customer claims over 1-5 products they fucked over and want my company to eat the cost.  Curious to know how you all respond to customers like this.","c_root_id_A":"hxzuzkj","c_root_id_B":"hxzk6e3","created_at_utc_A":1645555068,"created_at_utc_B":1645550962,"score_A":12,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"I don't. QC should always speak truth and verifiable numbers.  If that truth is inconvenient or not being accepted, then it's time to involve management and have QC stop communicating directly with the client.   Instead, QC sends their stuff to whoever holds the actual relationship with the client. They can earn their 5% by deciding how to communicate the issues and troubleshoot the problem.  If it can be resolved with Engineering, then it can he resolved in the contract. Maybe we accept a 5% higher error rate, no problem, let's just adjust the contract rates in-kind.  That conversation isn't QC's job.","human_ref_B":"Ha, I used to be on the customer end telling the manufacturers that their equipment is arriving broken. I would record every little issue and compile it in a spreadsheet. We've had many hours of arguments with manufacturers.  This isn't what you asked for, but maybe it will help to understand what is happening on the customer end. Most of the time it really is a manufacturing or shipping issue (obviously biased). After many heated debates we decided to inspect the equipment before offloading it from the trucks. Took pictures and sent them to the manufacturers until they conceded. Maybe you can suggest a similar process for a few shipments.  Remember that there's also internal politics on the customer side. As a customer, I hated some products we were buying. The products were vastly inferior to the competitors but slightly cheaper. To justify the cost difference for changing manufacturers, I recorded every little problem to show to my management. Those situations are going to be hard for you to handle but it's often in your company's best interest to play along and offer small adjustments to the manufacturing process or QA process.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4106.0,"score_ratio":2.4}
{"post_id":"syp0fg","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"(Quality Engineers) How do you handle customers that are 100% wrong? Really, if you have any go-to phrases in your arsenal, I could surely use some, I feel like I've already used every phrase there is, every type of strategic communication that I am capable of coming up with.  Over the last 7 months, I have had a roll of customer prioritization; I fix one issue and headache only to move on to the next. Normal, but it's been \"This is now top priority\" from one to the next.  My most recent headache was just this morning, a customer being upset with a report regarding a product they tried to warranty. Long story short, it's not warranty. However, they emailed back within 24 hrs saying, paraphrasing here, that \"I (my company) continuously blame the end-user and one of the products was not even placed in service.\" Keep in mind, like any product, it can be screwed by customers prior to use. Also, this is literally the first return of 2 units within a 6 month period and they also claim they've had so many issues within the last 6 months.   Sometimes, I am literally gasping for air over the \"shocked\" people and insane customer claims over 1-5 products they fucked over and want my company to eat the cost.  Curious to know how you all respond to customers like this.","c_root_id_A":"hxzuzkj","c_root_id_B":"hxzq6hb","created_at_utc_A":1645555068,"created_at_utc_B":1645553246,"score_A":12,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I don't. QC should always speak truth and verifiable numbers.  If that truth is inconvenient or not being accepted, then it's time to involve management and have QC stop communicating directly with the client.   Instead, QC sends their stuff to whoever holds the actual relationship with the client. They can earn their 5% by deciding how to communicate the issues and troubleshoot the problem.  If it can be resolved with Engineering, then it can he resolved in the contract. Maybe we accept a 5% higher error rate, no problem, let's just adjust the contract rates in-kind.  That conversation isn't QC's job.","human_ref_B":"I am the engineering manager in a food production facility; Production is our customer.   We have a really great management team here, but sometimes we get some bananas request or ideas come up. I usually start by asking what problem they are trying to solve, what they think the solution is, and what does success look like (reduction in downtime, $ saved, safety risk mitigation) and I always ask for the data that supports this. There is healthy discussion, but the best idea always needs to win.   Now, sometimes we have to do things for the sake of trying. Most times we come to solid conclusions. For the ideas that will likely fail, I communicate this to the top with my concerns, backed by data, experience, etc. If I am told to do it anyways, drop that gem in my CYA folder and get to work.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1822.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"syp0fg","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"(Quality Engineers) How do you handle customers that are 100% wrong? Really, if you have any go-to phrases in your arsenal, I could surely use some, I feel like I've already used every phrase there is, every type of strategic communication that I am capable of coming up with.  Over the last 7 months, I have had a roll of customer prioritization; I fix one issue and headache only to move on to the next. Normal, but it's been \"This is now top priority\" from one to the next.  My most recent headache was just this morning, a customer being upset with a report regarding a product they tried to warranty. Long story short, it's not warranty. However, they emailed back within 24 hrs saying, paraphrasing here, that \"I (my company) continuously blame the end-user and one of the products was not even placed in service.\" Keep in mind, like any product, it can be screwed by customers prior to use. Also, this is literally the first return of 2 units within a 6 month period and they also claim they've had so many issues within the last 6 months.   Sometimes, I am literally gasping for air over the \"shocked\" people and insane customer claims over 1-5 products they fucked over and want my company to eat the cost.  Curious to know how you all respond to customers like this.","c_root_id_A":"hxzqput","c_root_id_B":"hxzuzkj","created_at_utc_A":1645553450,"created_at_utc_B":1645555068,"score_A":5,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"problem with being an engineer\/fixer is that everything that everybody brings to you seems to be \"top priority\" because everybody thinks their thing is the most important and that you have nothing else to be doing.","human_ref_B":"I don't. QC should always speak truth and verifiable numbers.  If that truth is inconvenient or not being accepted, then it's time to involve management and have QC stop communicating directly with the client.   Instead, QC sends their stuff to whoever holds the actual relationship with the client. They can earn their 5% by deciding how to communicate the issues and troubleshoot the problem.  If it can be resolved with Engineering, then it can he resolved in the contract. Maybe we accept a 5% higher error rate, no problem, let's just adjust the contract rates in-kind.  That conversation isn't QC's job.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1618.0,"score_ratio":2.4}
{"post_id":"syp0fg","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"(Quality Engineers) How do you handle customers that are 100% wrong? Really, if you have any go-to phrases in your arsenal, I could surely use some, I feel like I've already used every phrase there is, every type of strategic communication that I am capable of coming up with.  Over the last 7 months, I have had a roll of customer prioritization; I fix one issue and headache only to move on to the next. Normal, but it's been \"This is now top priority\" from one to the next.  My most recent headache was just this morning, a customer being upset with a report regarding a product they tried to warranty. Long story short, it's not warranty. However, they emailed back within 24 hrs saying, paraphrasing here, that \"I (my company) continuously blame the end-user and one of the products was not even placed in service.\" Keep in mind, like any product, it can be screwed by customers prior to use. Also, this is literally the first return of 2 units within a 6 month period and they also claim they've had so many issues within the last 6 months.   Sometimes, I am literally gasping for air over the \"shocked\" people and insane customer claims over 1-5 products they fucked over and want my company to eat the cost.  Curious to know how you all respond to customers like this.","c_root_id_A":"hxzuzkj","c_root_id_B":"hxzfabk","created_at_utc_A":1645555068,"created_at_utc_B":1645549078,"score_A":12,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I don't. QC should always speak truth and verifiable numbers.  If that truth is inconvenient or not being accepted, then it's time to involve management and have QC stop communicating directly with the client.   Instead, QC sends their stuff to whoever holds the actual relationship with the client. They can earn their 5% by deciding how to communicate the issues and troubleshoot the problem.  If it can be resolved with Engineering, then it can he resolved in the contract. Maybe we accept a 5% higher error rate, no problem, let's just adjust the contract rates in-kind.  That conversation isn't QC's job.","human_ref_B":"Depending on how big and annoying these claims are, you can hire an outside consulting firm to do failure analysis and they will provide a report that details what the evidence shows happened to these units, providing an objective opinion on the matter.  Note, this is not cheap.   I used to work for a consulting firm and we did this kind of thing from time to time.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5990.0,"score_ratio":4.0}
{"post_id":"syp0fg","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"(Quality Engineers) How do you handle customers that are 100% wrong? Really, if you have any go-to phrases in your arsenal, I could surely use some, I feel like I've already used every phrase there is, every type of strategic communication that I am capable of coming up with.  Over the last 7 months, I have had a roll of customer prioritization; I fix one issue and headache only to move on to the next. Normal, but it's been \"This is now top priority\" from one to the next.  My most recent headache was just this morning, a customer being upset with a report regarding a product they tried to warranty. Long story short, it's not warranty. However, they emailed back within 24 hrs saying, paraphrasing here, that \"I (my company) continuously blame the end-user and one of the products was not even placed in service.\" Keep in mind, like any product, it can be screwed by customers prior to use. Also, this is literally the first return of 2 units within a 6 month period and they also claim they've had so many issues within the last 6 months.   Sometimes, I am literally gasping for air over the \"shocked\" people and insane customer claims over 1-5 products they fucked over and want my company to eat the cost.  Curious to know how you all respond to customers like this.","c_root_id_A":"hxzuzkj","c_root_id_B":"hxzo7sw","created_at_utc_A":1645555068,"created_at_utc_B":1645552497,"score_A":12,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I don't. QC should always speak truth and verifiable numbers.  If that truth is inconvenient or not being accepted, then it's time to involve management and have QC stop communicating directly with the client.   Instead, QC sends their stuff to whoever holds the actual relationship with the client. They can earn their 5% by deciding how to communicate the issues and troubleshoot the problem.  If it can be resolved with Engineering, then it can he resolved in the contract. Maybe we accept a 5% higher error rate, no problem, let's just adjust the contract rates in-kind.  That conversation isn't QC's job.","human_ref_B":"Facts. Take emotion out and just use facts.   Make sure your manager and\/or sales is on the same page","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2571.0,"score_ratio":6.0}
{"post_id":"syp0fg","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"(Quality Engineers) How do you handle customers that are 100% wrong? Really, if you have any go-to phrases in your arsenal, I could surely use some, I feel like I've already used every phrase there is, every type of strategic communication that I am capable of coming up with.  Over the last 7 months, I have had a roll of customer prioritization; I fix one issue and headache only to move on to the next. Normal, but it's been \"This is now top priority\" from one to the next.  My most recent headache was just this morning, a customer being upset with a report regarding a product they tried to warranty. Long story short, it's not warranty. However, they emailed back within 24 hrs saying, paraphrasing here, that \"I (my company) continuously blame the end-user and one of the products was not even placed in service.\" Keep in mind, like any product, it can be screwed by customers prior to use. Also, this is literally the first return of 2 units within a 6 month period and they also claim they've had so many issues within the last 6 months.   Sometimes, I am literally gasping for air over the \"shocked\" people and insane customer claims over 1-5 products they fucked over and want my company to eat the cost.  Curious to know how you all respond to customers like this.","c_root_id_A":"hxzfabk","c_root_id_B":"hxzk6e3","created_at_utc_A":1645549078,"created_at_utc_B":1645550962,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Depending on how big and annoying these claims are, you can hire an outside consulting firm to do failure analysis and they will provide a report that details what the evidence shows happened to these units, providing an objective opinion on the matter.  Note, this is not cheap.   I used to work for a consulting firm and we did this kind of thing from time to time.","human_ref_B":"Ha, I used to be on the customer end telling the manufacturers that their equipment is arriving broken. I would record every little issue and compile it in a spreadsheet. We've had many hours of arguments with manufacturers.  This isn't what you asked for, but maybe it will help to understand what is happening on the customer end. Most of the time it really is a manufacturing or shipping issue (obviously biased). After many heated debates we decided to inspect the equipment before offloading it from the trucks. Took pictures and sent them to the manufacturers until they conceded. Maybe you can suggest a similar process for a few shipments.  Remember that there's also internal politics on the customer side. As a customer, I hated some products we were buying. The products were vastly inferior to the competitors but slightly cheaper. To justify the cost difference for changing manufacturers, I recorded every little problem to show to my management. Those situations are going to be hard for you to handle but it's often in your company's best interest to play along and offer small adjustments to the manufacturing process or QA process.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1884.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"syp0fg","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"(Quality Engineers) How do you handle customers that are 100% wrong? Really, if you have any go-to phrases in your arsenal, I could surely use some, I feel like I've already used every phrase there is, every type of strategic communication that I am capable of coming up with.  Over the last 7 months, I have had a roll of customer prioritization; I fix one issue and headache only to move on to the next. Normal, but it's been \"This is now top priority\" from one to the next.  My most recent headache was just this morning, a customer being upset with a report regarding a product they tried to warranty. Long story short, it's not warranty. However, they emailed back within 24 hrs saying, paraphrasing here, that \"I (my company) continuously blame the end-user and one of the products was not even placed in service.\" Keep in mind, like any product, it can be screwed by customers prior to use. Also, this is literally the first return of 2 units within a 6 month period and they also claim they've had so many issues within the last 6 months.   Sometimes, I am literally gasping for air over the \"shocked\" people and insane customer claims over 1-5 products they fucked over and want my company to eat the cost.  Curious to know how you all respond to customers like this.","c_root_id_A":"hxzz1jk","c_root_id_B":"hxzq6hb","created_at_utc_A":1645556591,"created_at_utc_B":1645553246,"score_A":5,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"As someone who routinely blames suppliers incorrectly about 20% of the time, walk me thru the explanation of why your product is complainant or not at fault.  If my spec or design is shit, I\u2019ll concede and apologize for your trouble.  But this is basically a guilty until proven innocent situation. The burden is on you to prove your product is right.  Note - this is from the context of custom designed stuff and your company bid to build.   Not stuff i picked out of a catalog.   Nothing pisses me off more than vendors who don\u2019t read the specs until after they are awarded the work.","human_ref_B":"I am the engineering manager in a food production facility; Production is our customer.   We have a really great management team here, but sometimes we get some bananas request or ideas come up. I usually start by asking what problem they are trying to solve, what they think the solution is, and what does success look like (reduction in downtime, $ saved, safety risk mitigation) and I always ask for the data that supports this. There is healthy discussion, but the best idea always needs to win.   Now, sometimes we have to do things for the sake of trying. Most times we come to solid conclusions. For the ideas that will likely fail, I communicate this to the top with my concerns, backed by data, experience, etc. If I am told to do it anyways, drop that gem in my CYA folder and get to work.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3345.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"syp0fg","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"(Quality Engineers) How do you handle customers that are 100% wrong? Really, if you have any go-to phrases in your arsenal, I could surely use some, I feel like I've already used every phrase there is, every type of strategic communication that I am capable of coming up with.  Over the last 7 months, I have had a roll of customer prioritization; I fix one issue and headache only to move on to the next. Normal, but it's been \"This is now top priority\" from one to the next.  My most recent headache was just this morning, a customer being upset with a report regarding a product they tried to warranty. Long story short, it's not warranty. However, they emailed back within 24 hrs saying, paraphrasing here, that \"I (my company) continuously blame the end-user and one of the products was not even placed in service.\" Keep in mind, like any product, it can be screwed by customers prior to use. Also, this is literally the first return of 2 units within a 6 month period and they also claim they've had so many issues within the last 6 months.   Sometimes, I am literally gasping for air over the \"shocked\" people and insane customer claims over 1-5 products they fucked over and want my company to eat the cost.  Curious to know how you all respond to customers like this.","c_root_id_A":"hxzz1jk","c_root_id_B":"hxzfabk","created_at_utc_A":1645556591,"created_at_utc_B":1645549078,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"As someone who routinely blames suppliers incorrectly about 20% of the time, walk me thru the explanation of why your product is complainant or not at fault.  If my spec or design is shit, I\u2019ll concede and apologize for your trouble.  But this is basically a guilty until proven innocent situation. The burden is on you to prove your product is right.  Note - this is from the context of custom designed stuff and your company bid to build.   Not stuff i picked out of a catalog.   Nothing pisses me off more than vendors who don\u2019t read the specs until after they are awarded the work.","human_ref_B":"Depending on how big and annoying these claims are, you can hire an outside consulting firm to do failure analysis and they will provide a report that details what the evidence shows happened to these units, providing an objective opinion on the matter.  Note, this is not cheap.   I used to work for a consulting firm and we did this kind of thing from time to time.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7513.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"syp0fg","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"(Quality Engineers) How do you handle customers that are 100% wrong? Really, if you have any go-to phrases in your arsenal, I could surely use some, I feel like I've already used every phrase there is, every type of strategic communication that I am capable of coming up with.  Over the last 7 months, I have had a roll of customer prioritization; I fix one issue and headache only to move on to the next. Normal, but it's been \"This is now top priority\" from one to the next.  My most recent headache was just this morning, a customer being upset with a report regarding a product they tried to warranty. Long story short, it's not warranty. However, they emailed back within 24 hrs saying, paraphrasing here, that \"I (my company) continuously blame the end-user and one of the products was not even placed in service.\" Keep in mind, like any product, it can be screwed by customers prior to use. Also, this is literally the first return of 2 units within a 6 month period and they also claim they've had so many issues within the last 6 months.   Sometimes, I am literally gasping for air over the \"shocked\" people and insane customer claims over 1-5 products they fucked over and want my company to eat the cost.  Curious to know how you all respond to customers like this.","c_root_id_A":"hxzz1jk","c_root_id_B":"hxzx10s","created_at_utc_A":1645556591,"created_at_utc_B":1645555837,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"As someone who routinely blames suppliers incorrectly about 20% of the time, walk me thru the explanation of why your product is complainant or not at fault.  If my spec or design is shit, I\u2019ll concede and apologize for your trouble.  But this is basically a guilty until proven innocent situation. The burden is on you to prove your product is right.  Note - this is from the context of custom designed stuff and your company bid to build.   Not stuff i picked out of a catalog.   Nothing pisses me off more than vendors who don\u2019t read the specs until after they are awarded the work.","human_ref_B":"The way i see it, there are two possibilities:  1. Customer screwed up, they know, and they are lying.  2. Somebody screwed up, and neither You nor the Person representing the Customer know who and have no way of knowing.  Second one is the hardest and usually requires individual assessment of value lost versus potential value gained.  First one. I usually talk with a customer as long as possible, only saying things I'm 100% sure of. Not things I can deduce with certainty, but things I'm actually certain of. If you keep the conversation long enough, the customer will \"trip\" and they will contradict something they said in the heat of the discussion. Then you point that out, and usually they either back off, or lie even more and create even more contradictions, but from that point on things are easy for You.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":754.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"syp0fg","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"(Quality Engineers) How do you handle customers that are 100% wrong? Really, if you have any go-to phrases in your arsenal, I could surely use some, I feel like I've already used every phrase there is, every type of strategic communication that I am capable of coming up with.  Over the last 7 months, I have had a roll of customer prioritization; I fix one issue and headache only to move on to the next. Normal, but it's been \"This is now top priority\" from one to the next.  My most recent headache was just this morning, a customer being upset with a report regarding a product they tried to warranty. Long story short, it's not warranty. However, they emailed back within 24 hrs saying, paraphrasing here, that \"I (my company) continuously blame the end-user and one of the products was not even placed in service.\" Keep in mind, like any product, it can be screwed by customers prior to use. Also, this is literally the first return of 2 units within a 6 month period and they also claim they've had so many issues within the last 6 months.   Sometimes, I am literally gasping for air over the \"shocked\" people and insane customer claims over 1-5 products they fucked over and want my company to eat the cost.  Curious to know how you all respond to customers like this.","c_root_id_A":"hxzo7sw","c_root_id_B":"hxzz1jk","created_at_utc_A":1645552497,"created_at_utc_B":1645556591,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Facts. Take emotion out and just use facts.   Make sure your manager and\/or sales is on the same page","human_ref_B":"As someone who routinely blames suppliers incorrectly about 20% of the time, walk me thru the explanation of why your product is complainant or not at fault.  If my spec or design is shit, I\u2019ll concede and apologize for your trouble.  But this is basically a guilty until proven innocent situation. The burden is on you to prove your product is right.  Note - this is from the context of custom designed stuff and your company bid to build.   Not stuff i picked out of a catalog.   Nothing pisses me off more than vendors who don\u2019t read the specs until after they are awarded the work.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4094.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"syp0fg","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"(Quality Engineers) How do you handle customers that are 100% wrong? Really, if you have any go-to phrases in your arsenal, I could surely use some, I feel like I've already used every phrase there is, every type of strategic communication that I am capable of coming up with.  Over the last 7 months, I have had a roll of customer prioritization; I fix one issue and headache only to move on to the next. Normal, but it's been \"This is now top priority\" from one to the next.  My most recent headache was just this morning, a customer being upset with a report regarding a product they tried to warranty. Long story short, it's not warranty. However, they emailed back within 24 hrs saying, paraphrasing here, that \"I (my company) continuously blame the end-user and one of the products was not even placed in service.\" Keep in mind, like any product, it can be screwed by customers prior to use. Also, this is literally the first return of 2 units within a 6 month period and they also claim they've had so many issues within the last 6 months.   Sometimes, I am literally gasping for air over the \"shocked\" people and insane customer claims over 1-5 products they fucked over and want my company to eat the cost.  Curious to know how you all respond to customers like this.","c_root_id_A":"hxzq6hb","c_root_id_B":"hxzqput","created_at_utc_A":1645553246,"created_at_utc_B":1645553450,"score_A":4,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"I am the engineering manager in a food production facility; Production is our customer.   We have a really great management team here, but sometimes we get some bananas request or ideas come up. I usually start by asking what problem they are trying to solve, what they think the solution is, and what does success look like (reduction in downtime, $ saved, safety risk mitigation) and I always ask for the data that supports this. There is healthy discussion, but the best idea always needs to win.   Now, sometimes we have to do things for the sake of trying. Most times we come to solid conclusions. For the ideas that will likely fail, I communicate this to the top with my concerns, backed by data, experience, etc. If I am told to do it anyways, drop that gem in my CYA folder and get to work.","human_ref_B":"problem with being an engineer\/fixer is that everything that everybody brings to you seems to be \"top priority\" because everybody thinks their thing is the most important and that you have nothing else to be doing.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":204.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"syp0fg","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"(Quality Engineers) How do you handle customers that are 100% wrong? Really, if you have any go-to phrases in your arsenal, I could surely use some, I feel like I've already used every phrase there is, every type of strategic communication that I am capable of coming up with.  Over the last 7 months, I have had a roll of customer prioritization; I fix one issue and headache only to move on to the next. Normal, but it's been \"This is now top priority\" from one to the next.  My most recent headache was just this morning, a customer being upset with a report regarding a product they tried to warranty. Long story short, it's not warranty. However, they emailed back within 24 hrs saying, paraphrasing here, that \"I (my company) continuously blame the end-user and one of the products was not even placed in service.\" Keep in mind, like any product, it can be screwed by customers prior to use. Also, this is literally the first return of 2 units within a 6 month period and they also claim they've had so many issues within the last 6 months.   Sometimes, I am literally gasping for air over the \"shocked\" people and insane customer claims over 1-5 products they fucked over and want my company to eat the cost.  Curious to know how you all respond to customers like this.","c_root_id_A":"hxzq6hb","c_root_id_B":"hxzfabk","created_at_utc_A":1645553246,"created_at_utc_B":1645549078,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I am the engineering manager in a food production facility; Production is our customer.   We have a really great management team here, but sometimes we get some bananas request or ideas come up. I usually start by asking what problem they are trying to solve, what they think the solution is, and what does success look like (reduction in downtime, $ saved, safety risk mitigation) and I always ask for the data that supports this. There is healthy discussion, but the best idea always needs to win.   Now, sometimes we have to do things for the sake of trying. Most times we come to solid conclusions. For the ideas that will likely fail, I communicate this to the top with my concerns, backed by data, experience, etc. If I am told to do it anyways, drop that gem in my CYA folder and get to work.","human_ref_B":"Depending on how big and annoying these claims are, you can hire an outside consulting firm to do failure analysis and they will provide a report that details what the evidence shows happened to these units, providing an objective opinion on the matter.  Note, this is not cheap.   I used to work for a consulting firm and we did this kind of thing from time to time.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4168.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"syp0fg","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"(Quality Engineers) How do you handle customers that are 100% wrong? Really, if you have any go-to phrases in your arsenal, I could surely use some, I feel like I've already used every phrase there is, every type of strategic communication that I am capable of coming up with.  Over the last 7 months, I have had a roll of customer prioritization; I fix one issue and headache only to move on to the next. Normal, but it's been \"This is now top priority\" from one to the next.  My most recent headache was just this morning, a customer being upset with a report regarding a product they tried to warranty. Long story short, it's not warranty. However, they emailed back within 24 hrs saying, paraphrasing here, that \"I (my company) continuously blame the end-user and one of the products was not even placed in service.\" Keep in mind, like any product, it can be screwed by customers prior to use. Also, this is literally the first return of 2 units within a 6 month period and they also claim they've had so many issues within the last 6 months.   Sometimes, I am literally gasping for air over the \"shocked\" people and insane customer claims over 1-5 products they fucked over and want my company to eat the cost.  Curious to know how you all respond to customers like this.","c_root_id_A":"hxzo7sw","c_root_id_B":"hxzq6hb","created_at_utc_A":1645552497,"created_at_utc_B":1645553246,"score_A":2,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Facts. Take emotion out and just use facts.   Make sure your manager and\/or sales is on the same page","human_ref_B":"I am the engineering manager in a food production facility; Production is our customer.   We have a really great management team here, but sometimes we get some bananas request or ideas come up. I usually start by asking what problem they are trying to solve, what they think the solution is, and what does success look like (reduction in downtime, $ saved, safety risk mitigation) and I always ask for the data that supports this. There is healthy discussion, but the best idea always needs to win.   Now, sometimes we have to do things for the sake of trying. Most times we come to solid conclusions. For the ideas that will likely fail, I communicate this to the top with my concerns, backed by data, experience, etc. If I am told to do it anyways, drop that gem in my CYA folder and get to work.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":749.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"syp0fg","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"(Quality Engineers) How do you handle customers that are 100% wrong? Really, if you have any go-to phrases in your arsenal, I could surely use some, I feel like I've already used every phrase there is, every type of strategic communication that I am capable of coming up with.  Over the last 7 months, I have had a roll of customer prioritization; I fix one issue and headache only to move on to the next. Normal, but it's been \"This is now top priority\" from one to the next.  My most recent headache was just this morning, a customer being upset with a report regarding a product they tried to warranty. Long story short, it's not warranty. However, they emailed back within 24 hrs saying, paraphrasing here, that \"I (my company) continuously blame the end-user and one of the products was not even placed in service.\" Keep in mind, like any product, it can be screwed by customers prior to use. Also, this is literally the first return of 2 units within a 6 month period and they also claim they've had so many issues within the last 6 months.   Sometimes, I am literally gasping for air over the \"shocked\" people and insane customer claims over 1-5 products they fucked over and want my company to eat the cost.  Curious to know how you all respond to customers like this.","c_root_id_A":"hxzqput","c_root_id_B":"hxzfabk","created_at_utc_A":1645553450,"created_at_utc_B":1645549078,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"problem with being an engineer\/fixer is that everything that everybody brings to you seems to be \"top priority\" because everybody thinks their thing is the most important and that you have nothing else to be doing.","human_ref_B":"Depending on how big and annoying these claims are, you can hire an outside consulting firm to do failure analysis and they will provide a report that details what the evidence shows happened to these units, providing an objective opinion on the matter.  Note, this is not cheap.   I used to work for a consulting firm and we did this kind of thing from time to time.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4372.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"syp0fg","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"(Quality Engineers) How do you handle customers that are 100% wrong? Really, if you have any go-to phrases in your arsenal, I could surely use some, I feel like I've already used every phrase there is, every type of strategic communication that I am capable of coming up with.  Over the last 7 months, I have had a roll of customer prioritization; I fix one issue and headache only to move on to the next. Normal, but it's been \"This is now top priority\" from one to the next.  My most recent headache was just this morning, a customer being upset with a report regarding a product they tried to warranty. Long story short, it's not warranty. However, they emailed back within 24 hrs saying, paraphrasing here, that \"I (my company) continuously blame the end-user and one of the products was not even placed in service.\" Keep in mind, like any product, it can be screwed by customers prior to use. Also, this is literally the first return of 2 units within a 6 month period and they also claim they've had so many issues within the last 6 months.   Sometimes, I am literally gasping for air over the \"shocked\" people and insane customer claims over 1-5 products they fucked over and want my company to eat the cost.  Curious to know how you all respond to customers like this.","c_root_id_A":"hxzo7sw","c_root_id_B":"hxzqput","created_at_utc_A":1645552497,"created_at_utc_B":1645553450,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Facts. Take emotion out and just use facts.   Make sure your manager and\/or sales is on the same page","human_ref_B":"problem with being an engineer\/fixer is that everything that everybody brings to you seems to be \"top priority\" because everybody thinks their thing is the most important and that you have nothing else to be doing.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":953.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"syp0fg","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"(Quality Engineers) How do you handle customers that are 100% wrong? Really, if you have any go-to phrases in your arsenal, I could surely use some, I feel like I've already used every phrase there is, every type of strategic communication that I am capable of coming up with.  Over the last 7 months, I have had a roll of customer prioritization; I fix one issue and headache only to move on to the next. Normal, but it's been \"This is now top priority\" from one to the next.  My most recent headache was just this morning, a customer being upset with a report regarding a product they tried to warranty. Long story short, it's not warranty. However, they emailed back within 24 hrs saying, paraphrasing here, that \"I (my company) continuously blame the end-user and one of the products was not even placed in service.\" Keep in mind, like any product, it can be screwed by customers prior to use. Also, this is literally the first return of 2 units within a 6 month period and they also claim they've had so many issues within the last 6 months.   Sometimes, I am literally gasping for air over the \"shocked\" people and insane customer claims over 1-5 products they fucked over and want my company to eat the cost.  Curious to know how you all respond to customers like this.","c_root_id_A":"hxzfabk","c_root_id_B":"hy0ojo5","created_at_utc_A":1645549078,"created_at_utc_B":1645566241,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Depending on how big and annoying these claims are, you can hire an outside consulting firm to do failure analysis and they will provide a report that details what the evidence shows happened to these units, providing an objective opinion on the matter.  Note, this is not cheap.   I used to work for a consulting firm and we did this kind of thing from time to time.","human_ref_B":"Best advice I ever got as an engineer: inform, document. Don\u2019t defend. Your customer is allowed to make their own decision. You inform them as to why you don\u2019t agree with it from a technical perspective, you document that position to protect yourself from liability for a potentially bad decision, then you allow them to decide.   The other option is to fight with them, which generally results in the same decision and a poisoned relationship.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":17163.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"syp0fg","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"(Quality Engineers) How do you handle customers that are 100% wrong? Really, if you have any go-to phrases in your arsenal, I could surely use some, I feel like I've already used every phrase there is, every type of strategic communication that I am capable of coming up with.  Over the last 7 months, I have had a roll of customer prioritization; I fix one issue and headache only to move on to the next. Normal, but it's been \"This is now top priority\" from one to the next.  My most recent headache was just this morning, a customer being upset with a report regarding a product they tried to warranty. Long story short, it's not warranty. However, they emailed back within 24 hrs saying, paraphrasing here, that \"I (my company) continuously blame the end-user and one of the products was not even placed in service.\" Keep in mind, like any product, it can be screwed by customers prior to use. Also, this is literally the first return of 2 units within a 6 month period and they also claim they've had so many issues within the last 6 months.   Sometimes, I am literally gasping for air over the \"shocked\" people and insane customer claims over 1-5 products they fucked over and want my company to eat the cost.  Curious to know how you all respond to customers like this.","c_root_id_A":"hxzx10s","c_root_id_B":"hy0ojo5","created_at_utc_A":1645555837,"created_at_utc_B":1645566241,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"The way i see it, there are two possibilities:  1. Customer screwed up, they know, and they are lying.  2. Somebody screwed up, and neither You nor the Person representing the Customer know who and have no way of knowing.  Second one is the hardest and usually requires individual assessment of value lost versus potential value gained.  First one. I usually talk with a customer as long as possible, only saying things I'm 100% sure of. Not things I can deduce with certainty, but things I'm actually certain of. If you keep the conversation long enough, the customer will \"trip\" and they will contradict something they said in the heat of the discussion. Then you point that out, and usually they either back off, or lie even more and create even more contradictions, but from that point on things are easy for You.","human_ref_B":"Best advice I ever got as an engineer: inform, document. Don\u2019t defend. Your customer is allowed to make their own decision. You inform them as to why you don\u2019t agree with it from a technical perspective, you document that position to protect yourself from liability for a potentially bad decision, then you allow them to decide.   The other option is to fight with them, which generally results in the same decision and a poisoned relationship.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10404.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"syp0fg","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"(Quality Engineers) How do you handle customers that are 100% wrong? Really, if you have any go-to phrases in your arsenal, I could surely use some, I feel like I've already used every phrase there is, every type of strategic communication that I am capable of coming up with.  Over the last 7 months, I have had a roll of customer prioritization; I fix one issue and headache only to move on to the next. Normal, but it's been \"This is now top priority\" from one to the next.  My most recent headache was just this morning, a customer being upset with a report regarding a product they tried to warranty. Long story short, it's not warranty. However, they emailed back within 24 hrs saying, paraphrasing here, that \"I (my company) continuously blame the end-user and one of the products was not even placed in service.\" Keep in mind, like any product, it can be screwed by customers prior to use. Also, this is literally the first return of 2 units within a 6 month period and they also claim they've had so many issues within the last 6 months.   Sometimes, I am literally gasping for air over the \"shocked\" people and insane customer claims over 1-5 products they fucked over and want my company to eat the cost.  Curious to know how you all respond to customers like this.","c_root_id_A":"hy0ojo5","c_root_id_B":"hxzo7sw","created_at_utc_A":1645566241,"created_at_utc_B":1645552497,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Best advice I ever got as an engineer: inform, document. Don\u2019t defend. Your customer is allowed to make their own decision. You inform them as to why you don\u2019t agree with it from a technical perspective, you document that position to protect yourself from liability for a potentially bad decision, then you allow them to decide.   The other option is to fight with them, which generally results in the same decision and a poisoned relationship.","human_ref_B":"Facts. Take emotion out and just use facts.   Make sure your manager and\/or sales is on the same page","labels":1,"seconds_difference":13744.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"syp0fg","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"(Quality Engineers) How do you handle customers that are 100% wrong? Really, if you have any go-to phrases in your arsenal, I could surely use some, I feel like I've already used every phrase there is, every type of strategic communication that I am capable of coming up with.  Over the last 7 months, I have had a roll of customer prioritization; I fix one issue and headache only to move on to the next. Normal, but it's been \"This is now top priority\" from one to the next.  My most recent headache was just this morning, a customer being upset with a report regarding a product they tried to warranty. Long story short, it's not warranty. However, they emailed back within 24 hrs saying, paraphrasing here, that \"I (my company) continuously blame the end-user and one of the products was not even placed in service.\" Keep in mind, like any product, it can be screwed by customers prior to use. Also, this is literally the first return of 2 units within a 6 month period and they also claim they've had so many issues within the last 6 months.   Sometimes, I am literally gasping for air over the \"shocked\" people and insane customer claims over 1-5 products they fucked over and want my company to eat the cost.  Curious to know how you all respond to customers like this.","c_root_id_A":"hy0ojo5","c_root_id_B":"hy00e5q","created_at_utc_A":1645566241,"created_at_utc_B":1645557106,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Best advice I ever got as an engineer: inform, document. Don\u2019t defend. Your customer is allowed to make their own decision. You inform them as to why you don\u2019t agree with it from a technical perspective, you document that position to protect yourself from liability for a potentially bad decision, then you allow them to decide.   The other option is to fight with them, which generally results in the same decision and a poisoned relationship.","human_ref_B":"Yeah, I've been through that. \"This product literally never works and has always been terrible since you shipped 10 to us a year ago\". Interesting that we are just now hearing about it.   In my personal experience, it's important to know how the product is being sold. Some companies have a sales culture where they will tell the customer literally ANYTHING. They'll tell them the warranty is just a formality and everything is repaired for free. They'll tell them that the product does things it isn't supposed to do. They'll keep trunk stock of product that is used and install it for customers without their knowledge. They'll fail to report actually recurring issues then try to act like it's your fault. The worst part is that it works most of the time.   I know you don't want meetings, but it's important to level with the sales organization about the problems you are seeing, and in many cases, the sales person needs to be the one to smooth this over with the customer. If that involves giving the customer products or services for free, that comes from the sales budget. Stick with your facts and make the special allowances their call and their expense. They may not be aware, or the specific sales person may not be aware how their actions are affecting the business.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9135.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"syp0fg","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"(Quality Engineers) How do you handle customers that are 100% wrong? Really, if you have any go-to phrases in your arsenal, I could surely use some, I feel like I've already used every phrase there is, every type of strategic communication that I am capable of coming up with.  Over the last 7 months, I have had a roll of customer prioritization; I fix one issue and headache only to move on to the next. Normal, but it's been \"This is now top priority\" from one to the next.  My most recent headache was just this morning, a customer being upset with a report regarding a product they tried to warranty. Long story short, it's not warranty. However, they emailed back within 24 hrs saying, paraphrasing here, that \"I (my company) continuously blame the end-user and one of the products was not even placed in service.\" Keep in mind, like any product, it can be screwed by customers prior to use. Also, this is literally the first return of 2 units within a 6 month period and they also claim they've had so many issues within the last 6 months.   Sometimes, I am literally gasping for air over the \"shocked\" people and insane customer claims over 1-5 products they fucked over and want my company to eat the cost.  Curious to know how you all respond to customers like this.","c_root_id_A":"hxzo7sw","c_root_id_B":"hxzx10s","created_at_utc_A":1645552497,"created_at_utc_B":1645555837,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Facts. Take emotion out and just use facts.   Make sure your manager and\/or sales is on the same page","human_ref_B":"The way i see it, there are two possibilities:  1. Customer screwed up, they know, and they are lying.  2. Somebody screwed up, and neither You nor the Person representing the Customer know who and have no way of knowing.  Second one is the hardest and usually requires individual assessment of value lost versus potential value gained.  First one. I usually talk with a customer as long as possible, only saying things I'm 100% sure of. Not things I can deduce with certainty, but things I'm actually certain of. If you keep the conversation long enough, the customer will \"trip\" and they will contradict something they said in the heat of the discussion. Then you point that out, and usually they either back off, or lie even more and create even more contradictions, but from that point on things are easy for You.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3340.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"syp0fg","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"(Quality Engineers) How do you handle customers that are 100% wrong? Really, if you have any go-to phrases in your arsenal, I could surely use some, I feel like I've already used every phrase there is, every type of strategic communication that I am capable of coming up with.  Over the last 7 months, I have had a roll of customer prioritization; I fix one issue and headache only to move on to the next. Normal, but it's been \"This is now top priority\" from one to the next.  My most recent headache was just this morning, a customer being upset with a report regarding a product they tried to warranty. Long story short, it's not warranty. However, they emailed back within 24 hrs saying, paraphrasing here, that \"I (my company) continuously blame the end-user and one of the products was not even placed in service.\" Keep in mind, like any product, it can be screwed by customers prior to use. Also, this is literally the first return of 2 units within a 6 month period and they also claim they've had so many issues within the last 6 months.   Sometimes, I am literally gasping for air over the \"shocked\" people and insane customer claims over 1-5 products they fucked over and want my company to eat the cost.  Curious to know how you all respond to customers like this.","c_root_id_A":"hy0rb62","c_root_id_B":"hxzo7sw","created_at_utc_A":1645567288,"created_at_utc_B":1645552497,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I have had to say something in writing like, \"As a PE, I am bound by our code of ethics to inform you that <insert relevant info here>. If you choose to ignore this information, I cannot support you.\"","human_ref_B":"Facts. Take emotion out and just use facts.   Make sure your manager and\/or sales is on the same page","labels":1,"seconds_difference":14791.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"syp0fg","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"(Quality Engineers) How do you handle customers that are 100% wrong? Really, if you have any go-to phrases in your arsenal, I could surely use some, I feel like I've already used every phrase there is, every type of strategic communication that I am capable of coming up with.  Over the last 7 months, I have had a roll of customer prioritization; I fix one issue and headache only to move on to the next. Normal, but it's been \"This is now top priority\" from one to the next.  My most recent headache was just this morning, a customer being upset with a report regarding a product they tried to warranty. Long story short, it's not warranty. However, they emailed back within 24 hrs saying, paraphrasing here, that \"I (my company) continuously blame the end-user and one of the products was not even placed in service.\" Keep in mind, like any product, it can be screwed by customers prior to use. Also, this is literally the first return of 2 units within a 6 month period and they also claim they've had so many issues within the last 6 months.   Sometimes, I am literally gasping for air over the \"shocked\" people and insane customer claims over 1-5 products they fucked over and want my company to eat the cost.  Curious to know how you all respond to customers like this.","c_root_id_A":"hy00e5q","c_root_id_B":"hy0rb62","created_at_utc_A":1645557106,"created_at_utc_B":1645567288,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Yeah, I've been through that. \"This product literally never works and has always been terrible since you shipped 10 to us a year ago\". Interesting that we are just now hearing about it.   In my personal experience, it's important to know how the product is being sold. Some companies have a sales culture where they will tell the customer literally ANYTHING. They'll tell them the warranty is just a formality and everything is repaired for free. They'll tell them that the product does things it isn't supposed to do. They'll keep trunk stock of product that is used and install it for customers without their knowledge. They'll fail to report actually recurring issues then try to act like it's your fault. The worst part is that it works most of the time.   I know you don't want meetings, but it's important to level with the sales organization about the problems you are seeing, and in many cases, the sales person needs to be the one to smooth this over with the customer. If that involves giving the customer products or services for free, that comes from the sales budget. Stick with your facts and make the special allowances their call and their expense. They may not be aware, or the specific sales person may not be aware how their actions are affecting the business.","human_ref_B":"I have had to say something in writing like, \"As a PE, I am bound by our code of ethics to inform you that <insert relevant info here>. If you choose to ignore this information, I cannot support you.\"","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10182.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"u6y3ns","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Why aren\u2019t plasma waste converters more popular? They appear to be excellent alternative solutions to landfills and supplementing grids.","c_root_id_A":"i5bx4e7","c_root_id_B":"i5bo3j6","created_at_utc_A":1650368902,"created_at_utc_B":1650362779,"score_A":54,"score_B":38,"human_ref_A":"Years ago my home town was looking to have a plasma plant built.  We found out that the contracts required a certain volume of garbage, which out town could not produce, and the operator was allowed to get that garbage from anywhere with no restrictions on hazardous materials.  We decided we didn\u2019t want big-city industrial\/medical waste being trucked into our tourist-town and we gave up on the project.  I assume this scenario has played out numerous times.","human_ref_B":"The mantra for engineers is to achieve the minimum of what's required and maximize profits. As long as the environmental regulations allow the simple dumping in landfills while it is also cheaper than alternatives, it is exactly what will be done.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6123.0,"score_ratio":1.4210526316}
{"post_id":"u6y3ns","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Why aren\u2019t plasma waste converters more popular? They appear to be excellent alternative solutions to landfills and supplementing grids.","c_root_id_A":"i5bx4e7","c_root_id_B":"i5bmta8","created_at_utc_A":1650368902,"created_at_utc_B":1650361758,"score_A":54,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"Years ago my home town was looking to have a plasma plant built.  We found out that the contracts required a certain volume of garbage, which out town could not produce, and the operator was allowed to get that garbage from anywhere with no restrictions on hazardous materials.  We decided we didn\u2019t want big-city industrial\/medical waste being trucked into our tourist-town and we gave up on the project.  I assume this scenario has played out numerous times.","human_ref_B":"People dislike change and are inherently cheapskates.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7144.0,"score_ratio":6.75}
{"post_id":"u6y3ns","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Why aren\u2019t plasma waste converters more popular? They appear to be excellent alternative solutions to landfills and supplementing grids.","c_root_id_A":"i5bx4e7","c_root_id_B":"i5bs4wh","created_at_utc_A":1650368902,"created_at_utc_B":1650365762,"score_A":54,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Years ago my home town was looking to have a plasma plant built.  We found out that the contracts required a certain volume of garbage, which out town could not produce, and the operator was allowed to get that garbage from anywhere with no restrictions on hazardous materials.  We decided we didn\u2019t want big-city industrial\/medical waste being trucked into our tourist-town and we gave up on the project.  I assume this scenario has played out numerous times.","human_ref_B":"Interesting question !   Here in europe we don't do landfill, so garbage is not cheap.  About 150eur\/ton (metric)  Here I see the plasma projects only advertised and not realized.   Any one more arguments?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3140.0,"score_ratio":6.0}
{"post_id":"u6y3ns","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Why aren\u2019t plasma waste converters more popular? They appear to be excellent alternative solutions to landfills and supplementing grids.","c_root_id_A":"i5bo3j6","c_root_id_B":"i5bmta8","created_at_utc_A":1650362779,"created_at_utc_B":1650361758,"score_A":38,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"The mantra for engineers is to achieve the minimum of what's required and maximize profits. As long as the environmental regulations allow the simple dumping in landfills while it is also cheaper than alternatives, it is exactly what will be done.","human_ref_B":"People dislike change and are inherently cheapskates.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1021.0,"score_ratio":4.75}
{"post_id":"u6y3ns","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Why aren\u2019t plasma waste converters more popular? They appear to be excellent alternative solutions to landfills and supplementing grids.","c_root_id_A":"i5bmta8","c_root_id_B":"i5c4kso","created_at_utc_A":1650361758,"created_at_utc_B":1650372820,"score_A":8,"score_B":23,"human_ref_A":"People dislike change and are inherently cheapskates.","human_ref_B":"My research group in grad school had a plasma arc gasification unit. It was petty cool. I didn't work directly on it, but my impression was that there are cheaper ways to achieve everything they achieve, and they're probably not going to reach widespread adoption.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11062.0,"score_ratio":2.875}
{"post_id":"u6y3ns","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Why aren\u2019t plasma waste converters more popular? They appear to be excellent alternative solutions to landfills and supplementing grids.","c_root_id_A":"i5bs4wh","c_root_id_B":"i5c4kso","created_at_utc_A":1650365762,"created_at_utc_B":1650372820,"score_A":9,"score_B":23,"human_ref_A":"Interesting question !   Here in europe we don't do landfill, so garbage is not cheap.  About 150eur\/ton (metric)  Here I see the plasma projects only advertised and not realized.   Any one more arguments?","human_ref_B":"My research group in grad school had a plasma arc gasification unit. It was petty cool. I didn't work directly on it, but my impression was that there are cheaper ways to achieve everything they achieve, and they're probably not going to reach widespread adoption.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7058.0,"score_ratio":2.5555555556}
{"post_id":"u6y3ns","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Why aren\u2019t plasma waste converters more popular? They appear to be excellent alternative solutions to landfills and supplementing grids.","c_root_id_A":"i5c2bmo","c_root_id_B":"i5c4kso","created_at_utc_A":1650371717,"created_at_utc_B":1650372820,"score_A":7,"score_B":23,"human_ref_A":"Everything has a price. That price may not be purely money-based.","human_ref_B":"My research group in grad school had a plasma arc gasification unit. It was petty cool. I didn't work directly on it, but my impression was that there are cheaper ways to achieve everything they achieve, and they're probably not going to reach widespread adoption.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1103.0,"score_ratio":3.2857142857}
{"post_id":"u6y3ns","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Why aren\u2019t plasma waste converters more popular? They appear to be excellent alternative solutions to landfills and supplementing grids.","c_root_id_A":"i5bmta8","c_root_id_B":"i5ch5sp","created_at_utc_A":1650361758,"created_at_utc_B":1650378268,"score_A":8,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"People dislike change and are inherently cheapskates.","human_ref_B":"Stuff you should know did a good podcast on this.  https:\/\/www.iheart.com\/podcast\/105-stuff-you-should-know-26940277\/episode\/please-listen-to-how-plasma-waste-29467780\/  The plants can be made self sufficient but the cost to construct such plants is crazy high.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":16510.0,"score_ratio":1.375}
{"post_id":"u6y3ns","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Why aren\u2019t plasma waste converters more popular? They appear to be excellent alternative solutions to landfills and supplementing grids.","c_root_id_A":"i5bs4wh","c_root_id_B":"i5ch5sp","created_at_utc_A":1650365762,"created_at_utc_B":1650378268,"score_A":9,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"Interesting question !   Here in europe we don't do landfill, so garbage is not cheap.  About 150eur\/ton (metric)  Here I see the plasma projects only advertised and not realized.   Any one more arguments?","human_ref_B":"Stuff you should know did a good podcast on this.  https:\/\/www.iheart.com\/podcast\/105-stuff-you-should-know-26940277\/episode\/please-listen-to-how-plasma-waste-29467780\/  The plants can be made self sufficient but the cost to construct such plants is crazy high.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":12506.0,"score_ratio":1.2222222222}
{"post_id":"u6y3ns","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Why aren\u2019t plasma waste converters more popular? They appear to be excellent alternative solutions to landfills and supplementing grids.","c_root_id_A":"i5c2bmo","c_root_id_B":"i5ch5sp","created_at_utc_A":1650371717,"created_at_utc_B":1650378268,"score_A":7,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"Everything has a price. That price may not be purely money-based.","human_ref_B":"Stuff you should know did a good podcast on this.  https:\/\/www.iheart.com\/podcast\/105-stuff-you-should-know-26940277\/episode\/please-listen-to-how-plasma-waste-29467780\/  The plants can be made self sufficient but the cost to construct such plants is crazy high.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6551.0,"score_ratio":1.5714285714}
{"post_id":"u6y3ns","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Why aren\u2019t plasma waste converters more popular? They appear to be excellent alternative solutions to landfills and supplementing grids.","c_root_id_A":"i5bmta8","c_root_id_B":"i5bs4wh","created_at_utc_A":1650361758,"created_at_utc_B":1650365762,"score_A":8,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"People dislike change and are inherently cheapskates.","human_ref_B":"Interesting question !   Here in europe we don't do landfill, so garbage is not cheap.  About 150eur\/ton (metric)  Here I see the plasma projects only advertised and not realized.   Any one more arguments?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4004.0,"score_ratio":1.125}
{"post_id":"ceyurs","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Should I be worried about forgetting 95% of what I learned in college? Usually a couple months after I finish a course I forget nearly everything unless the follow up course is directly related to the previous one. But in the office, everyone I work with seems to remember everything they've ever learned. For example, I took an electric motors class about 2 years ago and now I couldn't tell you how most of them worked if you held a gun to my head. But people I work with somehow know all the different kinds of electric motors and all the technical details that come along with them. Their day to day duties have 0 exposure to electrical motors and the last time they took an electrical motors class was probably over 20 years ago. Should I be worried about how much knowledge I'm failing to retain from my classes?","c_root_id_A":"eu5y288","c_root_id_B":"eu5xa8x","created_at_utc_A":1563487989,"created_at_utc_B":1563487463,"score_A":70,"score_B":47,"human_ref_A":"Nope. This is why most engineers have a number of reference books on a shelf in their office. More about recognizing when you need one of those references or some of that info you had in your brain years ago.","human_ref_B":"Lol. Forget away. If you\u2019re not using it you don\u2019t need it. If you do need it, you\u2019ll pick it back up quickly. Mostly you\u2019ll be learning and using stuff that was never in any of your classes.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":526.0,"score_ratio":1.4893617021}
{"post_id":"j6035u","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"I hear a lot of people complain about there job on here, is all the careers out there after college really that bad? Are my expectations of the work field going to be crushed after I graduate? Is their an ideal engineering job which any of you guys are happy with or are they all soul crushing?  Bonus question is: Whats a dream engineer job you guys have? Im studying Mechanical Engineering.","c_root_id_A":"g7w3ogt","c_root_id_B":"g7vyvy8","created_at_utc_A":1601989980,"created_at_utc_B":1601986641,"score_A":10,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"People get disappointed when the job they get isn't the fulfillment of their life's ambitions. That's also a very rare thing. When people don't find this unicorn, they complain.  My advice is to seek fulfillment elsewhere in life; with friends, family, hobbies. You know, all the other things in life. Think of your job as something that makes those other things possible and don't place it at the center of your universe expecting it to make you a complete person.   In other words, work to live, don't live to work.","human_ref_B":"Don't ever mistake the internet, or god forbid - Reddit, as an accurate representation or sampling of the real world.   On any given subject, what you see on the internet is posted by the 10% on the farthest ends of a scale, while the 80% of us somewhere in the middle just go about our lives and feel bad for the folks that worked up about what seems to be absolutely everything.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3339.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"j6035u","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"I hear a lot of people complain about there job on here, is all the careers out there after college really that bad? Are my expectations of the work field going to be crushed after I graduate? Is their an ideal engineering job which any of you guys are happy with or are they all soul crushing?  Bonus question is: Whats a dream engineer job you guys have? Im studying Mechanical Engineering.","c_root_id_A":"g7w9ag4","c_root_id_B":"g7w74mt","created_at_utc_A":1601993340,"created_at_utc_B":1601992106,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"For the first 20ish years, I loved my job.  Loved to the tune of putting in unpaid overtime on the regular simply because I genuinely considered it fun.  Then I moved into management.  Meh.  Not so fun.","human_ref_B":"I like my job! I\u2019m a process engineer. It\u2019s different everyday and I\u2019m on my feet a lot and I get to work with lots of different kinds of people and the work is super interesting. Work just sucks in general and a few years in you go, oh shit, I just go to work every day until I\u2019m 65 and this is it... I actually had a quarter life crisis and changed careers from being a teacher.   Anyway, yes, good jobs exist but a) working sucks and we\u2019d all rather be traveling or sitting at home or doing hobbies instead or whatever and b) often you gotta take a job or two early on that isn\u2019t your dream job so you can get your foot in the door.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1234.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"j6035u","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"I hear a lot of people complain about there job on here, is all the careers out there after college really that bad? Are my expectations of the work field going to be crushed after I graduate? Is their an ideal engineering job which any of you guys are happy with or are they all soul crushing?  Bonus question is: Whats a dream engineer job you guys have? Im studying Mechanical Engineering.","c_root_id_A":"g7w74mt","c_root_id_B":"g7w9ws5","created_at_utc_A":1601992106,"created_at_utc_B":1601993685,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I like my job! I\u2019m a process engineer. It\u2019s different everyday and I\u2019m on my feet a lot and I get to work with lots of different kinds of people and the work is super interesting. Work just sucks in general and a few years in you go, oh shit, I just go to work every day until I\u2019m 65 and this is it... I actually had a quarter life crisis and changed careers from being a teacher.   Anyway, yes, good jobs exist but a) working sucks and we\u2019d all rather be traveling or sitting at home or doing hobbies instead or whatever and b) often you gotta take a job or two early on that isn\u2019t your dream job so you can get your foot in the door.","human_ref_B":"Outside of a few very specific subs, posting on Reddit about how happy you are and how much you love your job will generally get you downvoted by people who will say you\u2019re gloating or \u201clying to make yourself feel better\u201d. People assume because they\u2019re unhappy, everybody has to be.   I love my engineering job. I work in a development lab where I try to solve up and coming issues while also supporting plant based engineers with current issues via lab testing.  There are jobs out there that will suit most people, but you may have to sacrifice other things. For me, staying in my (technical) position and doing the work I like means sacrificing upward mobility since I\u2019m not interested in Management","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1579.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"j6035u","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"I hear a lot of people complain about there job on here, is all the careers out there after college really that bad? Are my expectations of the work field going to be crushed after I graduate? Is their an ideal engineering job which any of you guys are happy with or are they all soul crushing?  Bonus question is: Whats a dream engineer job you guys have? Im studying Mechanical Engineering.","c_root_id_A":"g7wu9ns","c_root_id_B":"g7w74mt","created_at_utc_A":1602004047,"created_at_utc_B":1601992106,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"when I graduated I got crushed for the first couple of years, long hours , tough environments, stressful deadlines, 1hour 45minute commute, working on projects solo, uncooperative colleagues, relentless managers that didnt take the time to guide me and just learning the ropes combined with a low salary. It's going to sound sadistic but it helped me because in my mind I just wanted to learn all the good things and forget the bad and get out of there. I eventually left and got a masters in mechanical engineering. Now I'm working for one of the best companies in the field and it's great. You just got to believe and have relentless perseverance. I struggled for 7years to get to this point. Diamonds are formed under pressure.  Think of it as a engineering problem when you get stuck do you stop solving? No you keep going, you research, you think some more, you ask for help. Until the problem is solved.","human_ref_B":"I like my job! I\u2019m a process engineer. It\u2019s different everyday and I\u2019m on my feet a lot and I get to work with lots of different kinds of people and the work is super interesting. Work just sucks in general and a few years in you go, oh shit, I just go to work every day until I\u2019m 65 and this is it... I actually had a quarter life crisis and changed careers from being a teacher.   Anyway, yes, good jobs exist but a) working sucks and we\u2019d all rather be traveling or sitting at home or doing hobbies instead or whatever and b) often you gotta take a job or two early on that isn\u2019t your dream job so you can get your foot in the door.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":11941.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"j6035u","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"I hear a lot of people complain about there job on here, is all the careers out there after college really that bad? Are my expectations of the work field going to be crushed after I graduate? Is their an ideal engineering job which any of you guys are happy with or are they all soul crushing?  Bonus question is: Whats a dream engineer job you guys have? Im studying Mechanical Engineering.","c_root_id_A":"g7wu9ns","c_root_id_B":"g7wpjd0","created_at_utc_A":1602004047,"created_at_utc_B":1602001704,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"when I graduated I got crushed for the first couple of years, long hours , tough environments, stressful deadlines, 1hour 45minute commute, working on projects solo, uncooperative colleagues, relentless managers that didnt take the time to guide me and just learning the ropes combined with a low salary. It's going to sound sadistic but it helped me because in my mind I just wanted to learn all the good things and forget the bad and get out of there. I eventually left and got a masters in mechanical engineering. Now I'm working for one of the best companies in the field and it's great. You just got to believe and have relentless perseverance. I struggled for 7years to get to this point. Diamonds are formed under pressure.  Think of it as a engineering problem when you get stuck do you stop solving? No you keep going, you research, you think some more, you ask for help. Until the problem is solved.","human_ref_B":"My job at an electric utility has been pretty good.  There are some frustrating days, like you'll find anywhere, but I'm quite happy where I am.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2343.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"iqrf5s","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"Why Is It Impossible to Get An Engineering Job These Days? Honestly, I am curious if companies are just hiring people with 5+ years of experience for an entry level position that is meant for a new grad because they can get it considering all the people who are laid off due to pandemic.","c_root_id_A":"g4ttdfv","c_root_id_B":"g4tyjx5","created_at_utc_A":1599835421,"created_at_utc_B":1599838014,"score_A":37,"score_B":66,"human_ref_A":"Because the market is currently in their favor. You\u2019ve got a whole bunch of COVID layoffs and probably more coming. Also, it takes a lot more effort\/cost to train someone fresh out of school vs someone with 5 years experience. My advice is to apply to those entry level jobs regardless, keep learning new skills\/keep yourself sharp, consider an internship if it looks like a good opportunity, and remember that this isn\u2019t forever. Things will shift; you may just have to start your career outside of engineering and work in\/up.","human_ref_B":"I dealt with the same thing during the 2008 recession. The company I interned with put a freeze on new hires right as I graduated. Every job listing got hundreds of experienced applicants so it was tough just getting a call back.  After a few months of job searching and mounting debt I was offered a Sales Engineer position halfway across the country for $45k per year. Not ideal, but I needed income so I took it. By 2012 the job market improved and I was able to move to a design engineer position with double the salary.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2593.0,"score_ratio":1.7837837838}
{"post_id":"iqrf5s","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"Why Is It Impossible to Get An Engineering Job These Days? Honestly, I am curious if companies are just hiring people with 5+ years of experience for an entry level position that is meant for a new grad because they can get it considering all the people who are laid off due to pandemic.","c_root_id_A":"g4ts5ot","c_root_id_B":"g4tyjx5","created_at_utc_A":1599834785,"created_at_utc_B":1599838014,"score_A":15,"score_B":66,"human_ref_A":"We fill all and I mean *all* entry level positions with people who were already interns for us.  We don\u2019t even post new grad jobs as it\u2019s unnecessary.    5 years experience is the lowest level we need to post a job opening for.  Thus, 5 YOE is entry level as we post no jobs for less than 5 YOE.","human_ref_B":"I dealt with the same thing during the 2008 recession. The company I interned with put a freeze on new hires right as I graduated. Every job listing got hundreds of experienced applicants so it was tough just getting a call back.  After a few months of job searching and mounting debt I was offered a Sales Engineer position halfway across the country for $45k per year. Not ideal, but I needed income so I took it. By 2012 the job market improved and I was able to move to a design engineer position with double the salary.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3229.0,"score_ratio":4.4}
{"post_id":"iqrf5s","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"Why Is It Impossible to Get An Engineering Job These Days? Honestly, I am curious if companies are just hiring people with 5+ years of experience for an entry level position that is meant for a new grad because they can get it considering all the people who are laid off due to pandemic.","c_root_id_A":"g4tyjx5","c_root_id_B":"g4ttepx","created_at_utc_A":1599838014,"created_at_utc_B":1599835440,"score_A":66,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"I dealt with the same thing during the 2008 recession. The company I interned with put a freeze on new hires right as I graduated. Every job listing got hundreds of experienced applicants so it was tough just getting a call back.  After a few months of job searching and mounting debt I was offered a Sales Engineer position halfway across the country for $45k per year. Not ideal, but I needed income so I took it. By 2012 the job market improved and I was able to move to a design engineer position with double the salary.","human_ref_B":"Personally, I think it\u2019s a lot harder to hire somebody with 5 years of experience somewhere else. They are more expensive and often have many skills that don\u2019t translate well to a different job. We love to hire new grads and train them the way we want then it\u2019s easier to promote from within for the other jobs. And like the other guy mentioned, first place we look is our interns.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2574.0,"score_ratio":11.0}
{"post_id":"iqrf5s","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"Why Is It Impossible to Get An Engineering Job These Days? Honestly, I am curious if companies are just hiring people with 5+ years of experience for an entry level position that is meant for a new grad because they can get it considering all the people who are laid off due to pandemic.","c_root_id_A":"g4ts5ot","c_root_id_B":"g4ttdfv","created_at_utc_A":1599834785,"created_at_utc_B":1599835421,"score_A":15,"score_B":37,"human_ref_A":"We fill all and I mean *all* entry level positions with people who were already interns for us.  We don\u2019t even post new grad jobs as it\u2019s unnecessary.    5 years experience is the lowest level we need to post a job opening for.  Thus, 5 YOE is entry level as we post no jobs for less than 5 YOE.","human_ref_B":"Because the market is currently in their favor. You\u2019ve got a whole bunch of COVID layoffs and probably more coming. Also, it takes a lot more effort\/cost to train someone fresh out of school vs someone with 5 years experience. My advice is to apply to those entry level jobs regardless, keep learning new skills\/keep yourself sharp, consider an internship if it looks like a good opportunity, and remember that this isn\u2019t forever. Things will shift; you may just have to start your career outside of engineering and work in\/up.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":636.0,"score_ratio":2.4666666667}
{"post_id":"iqrf5s","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"Why Is It Impossible to Get An Engineering Job These Days? Honestly, I am curious if companies are just hiring people with 5+ years of experience for an entry level position that is meant for a new grad because they can get it considering all the people who are laid off due to pandemic.","c_root_id_A":"g4ts5ot","c_root_id_B":"g4u9wmr","created_at_utc_A":1599834785,"created_at_utc_B":1599843599,"score_A":15,"score_B":30,"human_ref_A":"We fill all and I mean *all* entry level positions with people who were already interns for us.  We don\u2019t even post new grad jobs as it\u2019s unnecessary.    5 years experience is the lowest level we need to post a job opening for.  Thus, 5 YOE is entry level as we post no jobs for less than 5 YOE.","human_ref_B":"Companies will leverage a bad economy in their favor just like job seekers will. It sucks especially when you're first starting out and yes, if they will hire someone more experienced for an entry level position so they can pay them less. My other \"favorite\" things companies will sometimes do is open an intern position that involves the work load of a full time engineer so they don't have to pay engineering wages.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8814.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"iqrf5s","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"Why Is It Impossible to Get An Engineering Job These Days? Honestly, I am curious if companies are just hiring people with 5+ years of experience for an entry level position that is meant for a new grad because they can get it considering all the people who are laid off due to pandemic.","c_root_id_A":"g4ttepx","c_root_id_B":"g4u9wmr","created_at_utc_A":1599835440,"created_at_utc_B":1599843599,"score_A":6,"score_B":30,"human_ref_A":"Personally, I think it\u2019s a lot harder to hire somebody with 5 years of experience somewhere else. They are more expensive and often have many skills that don\u2019t translate well to a different job. We love to hire new grads and train them the way we want then it\u2019s easier to promote from within for the other jobs. And like the other guy mentioned, first place we look is our interns.","human_ref_B":"Companies will leverage a bad economy in their favor just like job seekers will. It sucks especially when you're first starting out and yes, if they will hire someone more experienced for an entry level position so they can pay them less. My other \"favorite\" things companies will sometimes do is open an intern position that involves the work load of a full time engineer so they don't have to pay engineering wages.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8159.0,"score_ratio":5.0}
{"post_id":"iqrf5s","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"Why Is It Impossible to Get An Engineering Job These Days? Honestly, I am curious if companies are just hiring people with 5+ years of experience for an entry level position that is meant for a new grad because they can get it considering all the people who are laid off due to pandemic.","c_root_id_A":"g4ucxpe","c_root_id_B":"g4ttepx","created_at_utc_A":1599845096,"created_at_utc_B":1599835440,"score_A":9,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Apply anyways.  Lot of feedback will cite interns or \"the economy.\" As someone that has changed jobs in the middle of multiple economic collapses  (2008 to present ), and changed jobs before having 5 years experience don't listen to them.  Contact companies directly send your resume for future consideration or apply for the entry level jobs that you don't \"qualify for.\" The majority of the time these qualifications are thrown together by HR and they have no idea what it all means so the real fight is just getting your resume in front of someone that is doing the actual work oversight. Point being if it is entry level then apply disregard anything that isn't specific to the job function such as program familiarity or field of engineering. The flip side is that no engineer with 5 years of experience is going to apply for or accept an entry level position.","human_ref_B":"Personally, I think it\u2019s a lot harder to hire somebody with 5 years of experience somewhere else. They are more expensive and often have many skills that don\u2019t translate well to a different job. We love to hire new grads and train them the way we want then it\u2019s easier to promote from within for the other jobs. And like the other guy mentioned, first place we look is our interns.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9656.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"iqrf5s","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"Why Is It Impossible to Get An Engineering Job These Days? Honestly, I am curious if companies are just hiring people with 5+ years of experience for an entry level position that is meant for a new grad because they can get it considering all the people who are laid off due to pandemic.","c_root_id_A":"g4ucxpe","c_root_id_B":"g4uc6hl","created_at_utc_A":1599845096,"created_at_utc_B":1599844723,"score_A":9,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Apply anyways.  Lot of feedback will cite interns or \"the economy.\" As someone that has changed jobs in the middle of multiple economic collapses  (2008 to present ), and changed jobs before having 5 years experience don't listen to them.  Contact companies directly send your resume for future consideration or apply for the entry level jobs that you don't \"qualify for.\" The majority of the time these qualifications are thrown together by HR and they have no idea what it all means so the real fight is just getting your resume in front of someone that is doing the actual work oversight. Point being if it is entry level then apply disregard anything that isn't specific to the job function such as program familiarity or field of engineering. The flip side is that no engineer with 5 years of experience is going to apply for or accept an entry level position.","human_ref_B":"Same it's brutal","labels":1,"seconds_difference":373.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"iqrf5s","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"Why Is It Impossible to Get An Engineering Job These Days? Honestly, I am curious if companies are just hiring people with 5+ years of experience for an entry level position that is meant for a new grad because they can get it considering all the people who are laid off due to pandemic.","c_root_id_A":"g4uc6hl","c_root_id_B":"g4ufi9f","created_at_utc_A":1599844723,"created_at_utc_B":1599846360,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Same it's brutal","human_ref_B":"Apply anyways. Don't be scared of what it says until you know you are getting an interview.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1637.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"iqrf5s","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"Why Is It Impossible to Get An Engineering Job These Days? Honestly, I am curious if companies are just hiring people with 5+ years of experience for an entry level position that is meant for a new grad because they can get it considering all the people who are laid off due to pandemic.","c_root_id_A":"g4uc6hl","c_root_id_B":"g4v386a","created_at_utc_A":1599844723,"created_at_utc_B":1599857260,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Same it's brutal","human_ref_B":"No. My company is desperately trying to hire engineers right now","labels":0,"seconds_difference":12537.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"iqrf5s","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"Why Is It Impossible to Get An Engineering Job These Days? Honestly, I am curious if companies are just hiring people with 5+ years of experience for an entry level position that is meant for a new grad because they can get it considering all the people who are laid off due to pandemic.","c_root_id_A":"g4v386a","c_root_id_B":"g4uge8u","created_at_utc_A":1599857260,"created_at_utc_B":1599846796,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"No. My company is desperately trying to hire engineers right now","human_ref_B":"I get that there\u2019s a stigma surrounding Defense contracting, but we\u2019re increasing our hiring goals for new grads\/entry level positions by 15% across all departments for 2021 graduates. We had a hiring freeze for March-May, but the prediction is that it\u2019s actually going to be tough to hire good 2021 graduates.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10464.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"iqrf5s","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"Why Is It Impossible to Get An Engineering Job These Days? Honestly, I am curious if companies are just hiring people with 5+ years of experience for an entry level position that is meant for a new grad because they can get it considering all the people who are laid off due to pandemic.","c_root_id_A":"g4unmn7","c_root_id_B":"g4v386a","created_at_utc_A":1599850354,"created_at_utc_B":1599857260,"score_A":2,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Ik quite a few places that are hiring entry level manufacturing and quality engineers. A lot of your other positions are on hold because it\u2019s quite an undertaking to bring a new person on board with a department that\u2019s completely remote until next year.","human_ref_B":"No. My company is desperately trying to hire engineers right now","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6906.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"7jtbgb","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Did the construction of a project like the Suez canal have to take into account the curvature of the earth? If so, what methods were used to account for the curvature?","c_root_id_A":"dr9hrfc","c_root_id_B":"dr9kdyb","created_at_utc_A":1513292672,"created_at_utc_B":1513296378,"score_A":2,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"My surveying class made sure we understood spherical trigonometry for such cases.","human_ref_B":"YES. All construction projects take the earths curvature into account. Any time you establish survey control on a grid coordinate system you are translating a ground based control to a grid system you account for curvature. Those that dont get screwed or get lucky that the distortions were small enough to not affect the project.  Ive seen numerous projects where the design team and contractors were ignorant to distortions that occur when they neglect grid vs ground translations or mix two different grids.  Not understanding survey control fucks up construction projects all the time.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3706.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"pz9bir","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Should I leave an entry level engineer job if they\u2019re giving me no technical work I started my first engineering job out of college 3 months ago. As a systems engineering in a big construction and infrastructure consultancy.   Something I\u2019ve realised is that they\u2019re so huge, they outsource all their technical work. I find this quite concerning. I have an MEng degree in mechanical. I\u2019ve designed systems and software that can literally simulate the healing process of bone over time. The company have chucked me on asset management and as much as I\u2019ve asked to be moved, they\u2019ve done nothing.   It feels like glorified data entry. Even my line manager laughs at it. I\u2019ve gotten so bored of the excel spreadsheets I\u2019ve created my own python code that will automate the whole process for me. It\u2019s that easy.   I\u2019m not sure how this will benefit me at all. The company want me to get chartered with the IET but how am I gonna do that if my work hits none of their targets. There\u2019s hardly anything outside of this other than rams that is technical.   I\u2019m considering taking a job at a smaller design consultancy. But it\u2019s in a different city. As a lower level engineer I feel I should be learning technical skills. Not this boring data entry and management stuff. Plus also technical work stimulates me so much more.   Any advice on this? Thanks","c_root_id_A":"hezge5q","c_root_id_B":"hezgjcy","created_at_utc_A":1633101769,"created_at_utc_B":1633101832,"score_A":169,"score_B":170,"human_ref_A":"Stick around for the paycheck and the \"experience\" on your resume, but start applying for other jobs now. Yes, you should be looking for more fulfilling work, but no, you shouldn't quit your very easy job until you have something better lined up. Just my opinion, so grains of salt, etc.","human_ref_B":">As a systems engineer  doing:  > data entry and management stuff  This i what the position entails, unless you are pretty direct in the \"Integration and Test\" part of the SEIT structure.      You want to be a design engineer. You should leave SysE and get to where you want to be, especially since you already have the MS.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":63.0,"score_ratio":1.0059171598}
{"post_id":"pz9bir","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Should I leave an entry level engineer job if they\u2019re giving me no technical work I started my first engineering job out of college 3 months ago. As a systems engineering in a big construction and infrastructure consultancy.   Something I\u2019ve realised is that they\u2019re so huge, they outsource all their technical work. I find this quite concerning. I have an MEng degree in mechanical. I\u2019ve designed systems and software that can literally simulate the healing process of bone over time. The company have chucked me on asset management and as much as I\u2019ve asked to be moved, they\u2019ve done nothing.   It feels like glorified data entry. Even my line manager laughs at it. I\u2019ve gotten so bored of the excel spreadsheets I\u2019ve created my own python code that will automate the whole process for me. It\u2019s that easy.   I\u2019m not sure how this will benefit me at all. The company want me to get chartered with the IET but how am I gonna do that if my work hits none of their targets. There\u2019s hardly anything outside of this other than rams that is technical.   I\u2019m considering taking a job at a smaller design consultancy. But it\u2019s in a different city. As a lower level engineer I feel I should be learning technical skills. Not this boring data entry and management stuff. Plus also technical work stimulates me so much more.   Any advice on this? Thanks","c_root_id_A":"heza1sc","c_root_id_B":"hezge5q","created_at_utc_A":1633099000,"created_at_utc_B":1633101769,"score_A":7,"score_B":169,"human_ref_A":"Yes","human_ref_B":"Stick around for the paycheck and the \"experience\" on your resume, but start applying for other jobs now. Yes, you should be looking for more fulfilling work, but no, you shouldn't quit your very easy job until you have something better lined up. Just my opinion, so grains of salt, etc.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2769.0,"score_ratio":24.1428571429}
{"post_id":"pz9bir","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Should I leave an entry level engineer job if they\u2019re giving me no technical work I started my first engineering job out of college 3 months ago. As a systems engineering in a big construction and infrastructure consultancy.   Something I\u2019ve realised is that they\u2019re so huge, they outsource all their technical work. I find this quite concerning. I have an MEng degree in mechanical. I\u2019ve designed systems and software that can literally simulate the healing process of bone over time. The company have chucked me on asset management and as much as I\u2019ve asked to be moved, they\u2019ve done nothing.   It feels like glorified data entry. Even my line manager laughs at it. I\u2019ve gotten so bored of the excel spreadsheets I\u2019ve created my own python code that will automate the whole process for me. It\u2019s that easy.   I\u2019m not sure how this will benefit me at all. The company want me to get chartered with the IET but how am I gonna do that if my work hits none of their targets. There\u2019s hardly anything outside of this other than rams that is technical.   I\u2019m considering taking a job at a smaller design consultancy. But it\u2019s in a different city. As a lower level engineer I feel I should be learning technical skills. Not this boring data entry and management stuff. Plus also technical work stimulates me so much more.   Any advice on this? Thanks","c_root_id_A":"hezgajx","c_root_id_B":"hezge5q","created_at_utc_A":1633101724,"created_at_utc_B":1633101769,"score_A":6,"score_B":169,"human_ref_A":"If you get a job offer at a place that looks like you'll learn, take it.","human_ref_B":"Stick around for the paycheck and the \"experience\" on your resume, but start applying for other jobs now. Yes, you should be looking for more fulfilling work, but no, you shouldn't quit your very easy job until you have something better lined up. Just my opinion, so grains of salt, etc.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":45.0,"score_ratio":28.1666666667}
{"post_id":"pz9bir","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Should I leave an entry level engineer job if they\u2019re giving me no technical work I started my first engineering job out of college 3 months ago. As a systems engineering in a big construction and infrastructure consultancy.   Something I\u2019ve realised is that they\u2019re so huge, they outsource all their technical work. I find this quite concerning. I have an MEng degree in mechanical. I\u2019ve designed systems and software that can literally simulate the healing process of bone over time. The company have chucked me on asset management and as much as I\u2019ve asked to be moved, they\u2019ve done nothing.   It feels like glorified data entry. Even my line manager laughs at it. I\u2019ve gotten so bored of the excel spreadsheets I\u2019ve created my own python code that will automate the whole process for me. It\u2019s that easy.   I\u2019m not sure how this will benefit me at all. The company want me to get chartered with the IET but how am I gonna do that if my work hits none of their targets. There\u2019s hardly anything outside of this other than rams that is technical.   I\u2019m considering taking a job at a smaller design consultancy. But it\u2019s in a different city. As a lower level engineer I feel I should be learning technical skills. Not this boring data entry and management stuff. Plus also technical work stimulates me so much more.   Any advice on this? Thanks","c_root_id_A":"hezgjcy","c_root_id_B":"heza1sc","created_at_utc_A":1633101832,"created_at_utc_B":1633099000,"score_A":170,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":">As a systems engineer  doing:  > data entry and management stuff  This i what the position entails, unless you are pretty direct in the \"Integration and Test\" part of the SEIT structure.      You want to be a design engineer. You should leave SysE and get to where you want to be, especially since you already have the MS.","human_ref_B":"Yes","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2832.0,"score_ratio":24.2857142857}
{"post_id":"pz9bir","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Should I leave an entry level engineer job if they\u2019re giving me no technical work I started my first engineering job out of college 3 months ago. As a systems engineering in a big construction and infrastructure consultancy.   Something I\u2019ve realised is that they\u2019re so huge, they outsource all their technical work. I find this quite concerning. I have an MEng degree in mechanical. I\u2019ve designed systems and software that can literally simulate the healing process of bone over time. The company have chucked me on asset management and as much as I\u2019ve asked to be moved, they\u2019ve done nothing.   It feels like glorified data entry. Even my line manager laughs at it. I\u2019ve gotten so bored of the excel spreadsheets I\u2019ve created my own python code that will automate the whole process for me. It\u2019s that easy.   I\u2019m not sure how this will benefit me at all. The company want me to get chartered with the IET but how am I gonna do that if my work hits none of their targets. There\u2019s hardly anything outside of this other than rams that is technical.   I\u2019m considering taking a job at a smaller design consultancy. But it\u2019s in a different city. As a lower level engineer I feel I should be learning technical skills. Not this boring data entry and management stuff. Plus also technical work stimulates me so much more.   Any advice on this? Thanks","c_root_id_A":"hezgjcy","c_root_id_B":"hezgajx","created_at_utc_A":1633101832,"created_at_utc_B":1633101724,"score_A":170,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":">As a systems engineer  doing:  > data entry and management stuff  This i what the position entails, unless you are pretty direct in the \"Integration and Test\" part of the SEIT structure.      You want to be a design engineer. You should leave SysE and get to where you want to be, especially since you already have the MS.","human_ref_B":"If you get a job offer at a place that looks like you'll learn, take it.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":108.0,"score_ratio":28.3333333333}
{"post_id":"pz9bir","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Should I leave an entry level engineer job if they\u2019re giving me no technical work I started my first engineering job out of college 3 months ago. As a systems engineering in a big construction and infrastructure consultancy.   Something I\u2019ve realised is that they\u2019re so huge, they outsource all their technical work. I find this quite concerning. I have an MEng degree in mechanical. I\u2019ve designed systems and software that can literally simulate the healing process of bone over time. The company have chucked me on asset management and as much as I\u2019ve asked to be moved, they\u2019ve done nothing.   It feels like glorified data entry. Even my line manager laughs at it. I\u2019ve gotten so bored of the excel spreadsheets I\u2019ve created my own python code that will automate the whole process for me. It\u2019s that easy.   I\u2019m not sure how this will benefit me at all. The company want me to get chartered with the IET but how am I gonna do that if my work hits none of their targets. There\u2019s hardly anything outside of this other than rams that is technical.   I\u2019m considering taking a job at a smaller design consultancy. But it\u2019s in a different city. As a lower level engineer I feel I should be learning technical skills. Not this boring data entry and management stuff. Plus also technical work stimulates me so much more.   Any advice on this? Thanks","c_root_id_A":"hezohea","c_root_id_B":"hezlki8","created_at_utc_A":1633105245,"created_at_utc_B":1633103994,"score_A":10,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"Let me ask a question....   How do you define \"Technical work\"?","human_ref_B":"Shitty take. You automated a process. Go do another one. It basically sounds like you have an opportunity to have real impact but because it\u2019s \u201cnot assigned technical work\u201d it\u2019s no good.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1251.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"pz9bir","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Should I leave an entry level engineer job if they\u2019re giving me no technical work I started my first engineering job out of college 3 months ago. As a systems engineering in a big construction and infrastructure consultancy.   Something I\u2019ve realised is that they\u2019re so huge, they outsource all their technical work. I find this quite concerning. I have an MEng degree in mechanical. I\u2019ve designed systems and software that can literally simulate the healing process of bone over time. The company have chucked me on asset management and as much as I\u2019ve asked to be moved, they\u2019ve done nothing.   It feels like glorified data entry. Even my line manager laughs at it. I\u2019ve gotten so bored of the excel spreadsheets I\u2019ve created my own python code that will automate the whole process for me. It\u2019s that easy.   I\u2019m not sure how this will benefit me at all. The company want me to get chartered with the IET but how am I gonna do that if my work hits none of their targets. There\u2019s hardly anything outside of this other than rams that is technical.   I\u2019m considering taking a job at a smaller design consultancy. But it\u2019s in a different city. As a lower level engineer I feel I should be learning technical skills. Not this boring data entry and management stuff. Plus also technical work stimulates me so much more.   Any advice on this? Thanks","c_root_id_A":"hezohea","c_root_id_B":"heza1sc","created_at_utc_A":1633105245,"created_at_utc_B":1633099000,"score_A":10,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Let me ask a question....   How do you define \"Technical work\"?","human_ref_B":"Yes","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6245.0,"score_ratio":1.4285714286}
{"post_id":"pz9bir","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Should I leave an entry level engineer job if they\u2019re giving me no technical work I started my first engineering job out of college 3 months ago. As a systems engineering in a big construction and infrastructure consultancy.   Something I\u2019ve realised is that they\u2019re so huge, they outsource all their technical work. I find this quite concerning. I have an MEng degree in mechanical. I\u2019ve designed systems and software that can literally simulate the healing process of bone over time. The company have chucked me on asset management and as much as I\u2019ve asked to be moved, they\u2019ve done nothing.   It feels like glorified data entry. Even my line manager laughs at it. I\u2019ve gotten so bored of the excel spreadsheets I\u2019ve created my own python code that will automate the whole process for me. It\u2019s that easy.   I\u2019m not sure how this will benefit me at all. The company want me to get chartered with the IET but how am I gonna do that if my work hits none of their targets. There\u2019s hardly anything outside of this other than rams that is technical.   I\u2019m considering taking a job at a smaller design consultancy. But it\u2019s in a different city. As a lower level engineer I feel I should be learning technical skills. Not this boring data entry and management stuff. Plus also technical work stimulates me so much more.   Any advice on this? Thanks","c_root_id_A":"hezohea","c_root_id_B":"hezgajx","created_at_utc_A":1633105245,"created_at_utc_B":1633101724,"score_A":10,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Let me ask a question....   How do you define \"Technical work\"?","human_ref_B":"If you get a job offer at a place that looks like you'll learn, take it.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3521.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"pz9bir","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Should I leave an entry level engineer job if they\u2019re giving me no technical work I started my first engineering job out of college 3 months ago. As a systems engineering in a big construction and infrastructure consultancy.   Something I\u2019ve realised is that they\u2019re so huge, they outsource all their technical work. I find this quite concerning. I have an MEng degree in mechanical. I\u2019ve designed systems and software that can literally simulate the healing process of bone over time. The company have chucked me on asset management and as much as I\u2019ve asked to be moved, they\u2019ve done nothing.   It feels like glorified data entry. Even my line manager laughs at it. I\u2019ve gotten so bored of the excel spreadsheets I\u2019ve created my own python code that will automate the whole process for me. It\u2019s that easy.   I\u2019m not sure how this will benefit me at all. The company want me to get chartered with the IET but how am I gonna do that if my work hits none of their targets. There\u2019s hardly anything outside of this other than rams that is technical.   I\u2019m considering taking a job at a smaller design consultancy. But it\u2019s in a different city. As a lower level engineer I feel I should be learning technical skills. Not this boring data entry and management stuff. Plus also technical work stimulates me so much more.   Any advice on this? Thanks","c_root_id_A":"hezkxey","c_root_id_B":"hezohea","created_at_utc_A":1633103721,"created_at_utc_B":1633105245,"score_A":6,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"You should line up another job first","human_ref_B":"Let me ask a question....   How do you define \"Technical work\"?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1524.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"pz9bir","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Should I leave an entry level engineer job if they\u2019re giving me no technical work I started my first engineering job out of college 3 months ago. As a systems engineering in a big construction and infrastructure consultancy.   Something I\u2019ve realised is that they\u2019re so huge, they outsource all their technical work. I find this quite concerning. I have an MEng degree in mechanical. I\u2019ve designed systems and software that can literally simulate the healing process of bone over time. The company have chucked me on asset management and as much as I\u2019ve asked to be moved, they\u2019ve done nothing.   It feels like glorified data entry. Even my line manager laughs at it. I\u2019ve gotten so bored of the excel spreadsheets I\u2019ve created my own python code that will automate the whole process for me. It\u2019s that easy.   I\u2019m not sure how this will benefit me at all. The company want me to get chartered with the IET but how am I gonna do that if my work hits none of their targets. There\u2019s hardly anything outside of this other than rams that is technical.   I\u2019m considering taking a job at a smaller design consultancy. But it\u2019s in a different city. As a lower level engineer I feel I should be learning technical skills. Not this boring data entry and management stuff. Plus also technical work stimulates me so much more.   Any advice on this? Thanks","c_root_id_A":"hezn7d2","c_root_id_B":"hezohea","created_at_utc_A":1633104696,"created_at_utc_B":1633105245,"score_A":3,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"My entry level position was not terribly technical.   I stuck it out though and it eventually did start to become more technical.  I did have to make some internal moves to build up to the more technical roles and projects.  I'm not sure that most entry level positions are going to give you something very technical right off the bat.    I wouldn't necessarily recommend that you bail on the position.  It definitely doesn't sound like a good fit for you right away, but what kind of potential is there in the company?   Are there more technical roles that you would like to move into eventually?  This initial stage where things aren't all that interesting or technical aren't all that unusual and you may just end up in the same boat in a different entry level position.  3 months is a drop in the bucket when it comes to your career as well.  I'd say it's a bit early to tell if you should move on.  Rather than think of the current role, try to think longer term and see what the future may hold for you there.  Do you see any other opportunities there that would give you the technical side you are looking for?  If so, start working towards getting into those roles.  Talk to those that do that kind of work and see if you can find out how to get yourself into that role.","human_ref_B":"Let me ask a question....   How do you define \"Technical work\"?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":549.0,"score_ratio":3.3333333333}
{"post_id":"pz9bir","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Should I leave an entry level engineer job if they\u2019re giving me no technical work I started my first engineering job out of college 3 months ago. As a systems engineering in a big construction and infrastructure consultancy.   Something I\u2019ve realised is that they\u2019re so huge, they outsource all their technical work. I find this quite concerning. I have an MEng degree in mechanical. I\u2019ve designed systems and software that can literally simulate the healing process of bone over time. The company have chucked me on asset management and as much as I\u2019ve asked to be moved, they\u2019ve done nothing.   It feels like glorified data entry. Even my line manager laughs at it. I\u2019ve gotten so bored of the excel spreadsheets I\u2019ve created my own python code that will automate the whole process for me. It\u2019s that easy.   I\u2019m not sure how this will benefit me at all. The company want me to get chartered with the IET but how am I gonna do that if my work hits none of their targets. There\u2019s hardly anything outside of this other than rams that is technical.   I\u2019m considering taking a job at a smaller design consultancy. But it\u2019s in a different city. As a lower level engineer I feel I should be learning technical skills. Not this boring data entry and management stuff. Plus also technical work stimulates me so much more.   Any advice on this? Thanks","c_root_id_A":"hezlki8","c_root_id_B":"heza1sc","created_at_utc_A":1633103994,"created_at_utc_B":1633099000,"score_A":8,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Shitty take. You automated a process. Go do another one. It basically sounds like you have an opportunity to have real impact but because it\u2019s \u201cnot assigned technical work\u201d it\u2019s no good.","human_ref_B":"Yes","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4994.0,"score_ratio":1.1428571429}
{"post_id":"pz9bir","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Should I leave an entry level engineer job if they\u2019re giving me no technical work I started my first engineering job out of college 3 months ago. As a systems engineering in a big construction and infrastructure consultancy.   Something I\u2019ve realised is that they\u2019re so huge, they outsource all their technical work. I find this quite concerning. I have an MEng degree in mechanical. I\u2019ve designed systems and software that can literally simulate the healing process of bone over time. The company have chucked me on asset management and as much as I\u2019ve asked to be moved, they\u2019ve done nothing.   It feels like glorified data entry. Even my line manager laughs at it. I\u2019ve gotten so bored of the excel spreadsheets I\u2019ve created my own python code that will automate the whole process for me. It\u2019s that easy.   I\u2019m not sure how this will benefit me at all. The company want me to get chartered with the IET but how am I gonna do that if my work hits none of their targets. There\u2019s hardly anything outside of this other than rams that is technical.   I\u2019m considering taking a job at a smaller design consultancy. But it\u2019s in a different city. As a lower level engineer I feel I should be learning technical skills. Not this boring data entry and management stuff. Plus also technical work stimulates me so much more.   Any advice on this? Thanks","c_root_id_A":"hezgajx","c_root_id_B":"hezlki8","created_at_utc_A":1633101724,"created_at_utc_B":1633103994,"score_A":6,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"If you get a job offer at a place that looks like you'll learn, take it.","human_ref_B":"Shitty take. You automated a process. Go do another one. It basically sounds like you have an opportunity to have real impact but because it\u2019s \u201cnot assigned technical work\u201d it\u2019s no good.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2270.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"pz9bir","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Should I leave an entry level engineer job if they\u2019re giving me no technical work I started my first engineering job out of college 3 months ago. As a systems engineering in a big construction and infrastructure consultancy.   Something I\u2019ve realised is that they\u2019re so huge, they outsource all their technical work. I find this quite concerning. I have an MEng degree in mechanical. I\u2019ve designed systems and software that can literally simulate the healing process of bone over time. The company have chucked me on asset management and as much as I\u2019ve asked to be moved, they\u2019ve done nothing.   It feels like glorified data entry. Even my line manager laughs at it. I\u2019ve gotten so bored of the excel spreadsheets I\u2019ve created my own python code that will automate the whole process for me. It\u2019s that easy.   I\u2019m not sure how this will benefit me at all. The company want me to get chartered with the IET but how am I gonna do that if my work hits none of their targets. There\u2019s hardly anything outside of this other than rams that is technical.   I\u2019m considering taking a job at a smaller design consultancy. But it\u2019s in a different city. As a lower level engineer I feel I should be learning technical skills. Not this boring data entry and management stuff. Plus also technical work stimulates me so much more.   Any advice on this? Thanks","c_root_id_A":"hezkxey","c_root_id_B":"hezlki8","created_at_utc_A":1633103721,"created_at_utc_B":1633103994,"score_A":6,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"You should line up another job first","human_ref_B":"Shitty take. You automated a process. Go do another one. It basically sounds like you have an opportunity to have real impact but because it\u2019s \u201cnot assigned technical work\u201d it\u2019s no good.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":273.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"yd2dn5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Why are pipelines bent for seemingly no reason? Hello,  would be anyone able to explain why industrial pipelines are bent for seemingly no reason?     What do I mean:   https:\/\/www.industrytap.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/09\/industry-2632179\\_1280.jpg  &#x200B;  Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"itpwmyu","c_root_id_B":"itpqa0i","created_at_utc_A":1666704042,"created_at_utc_B":1666700909,"score_A":106,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"thermal expansion.  otherwise the pipes would bend like spaghetti when they got hot","human_ref_B":"Helps keep stress low during Thermal expansion. Expansion loops are common because the loops take all the stress away from the straight run pipe.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3133.0,"score_ratio":6.2352941176}
{"post_id":"yd2dn5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Why are pipelines bent for seemingly no reason? Hello,  would be anyone able to explain why industrial pipelines are bent for seemingly no reason?     What do I mean:   https:\/\/www.industrytap.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/09\/industry-2632179\\_1280.jpg  &#x200B;  Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"itqlb3e","c_root_id_B":"itpqa0i","created_at_utc_A":1666714201,"created_at_utc_B":1666700909,"score_A":36,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"Thermal expansion. Those pipes need to grow and shrink.   It still blows my mind that rail tracks handle 40c in summer and -40C in winter even with expansion joints. Of course, sometimes they don\u2019t.","human_ref_B":"Helps keep stress low during Thermal expansion. Expansion loops are common because the loops take all the stress away from the straight run pipe.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":13292.0,"score_ratio":2.1176470588}
{"post_id":"yd2dn5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Why are pipelines bent for seemingly no reason? Hello,  would be anyone able to explain why industrial pipelines are bent for seemingly no reason?     What do I mean:   https:\/\/www.industrytap.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/09\/industry-2632179\\_1280.jpg  &#x200B;  Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"itpqa0i","c_root_id_B":"itqxr8l","created_at_utc_A":1666700909,"created_at_utc_B":1666719026,"score_A":17,"score_B":20,"human_ref_A":"Helps keep stress low during Thermal expansion. Expansion loops are common because the loops take all the stress away from the straight run pipe.","human_ref_B":"Know how steel expands when it gets hot?  Run boiling water through a pipe it's going to go up to 200F. Shut down for the night and it's going to drop down to say 50F.  The expansion and contraction for that temperature isn't too much for a short run, but for 1000ft of pipe that could be around 1ft longer!  Now you could anchor against that movement, but that's going to add a TON of stress on the pipe, which means more steel for your pipe which means more Expansion which means more anchoring which means....  Or you build in slip connections so everything can slide in and out of whatever is holding it. But 1ft is alot of movement. Whatever that pipe plugs into might not be able to handle that.  Or you build in an expansion loop every 500ft or so. That gets you only 6in of movement each loop. At the loop you build in twisty connections so everything can roll around with only one end of the line anchored. No extra forces, no extra movement at the thing you're piping into.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":18117.0,"score_ratio":1.1764705882}
{"post_id":"dgxofc","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Do you know of anyone who was unable to become an engineer despite getting the degree and their best efforts? Just for an introduction, I graduated back in April, and got a job that was pitched to me in interviews as a true engineering position. However, this turned out to be a sales role with almost no engineering work, and I was let go in July for being a poor fit. Ever since then, I have been searching mainly in Western PA and other places within a 5-6 hour drive since I am in a serious relationship. Despite getting interviews and making it to the second round in a few of them, I'm still out of luck.  I am genuinely terrified that I will be unable to get my career started. I'm also worried that accepting a tech\/CAD operator position would cement this and eat up valuable time I could be using to get a real engineering position. It seems that every second that passes without engineering experience lowers my prospects further, and I have a very limited amount of time to turn it around in an industry that doesn't seem to take in anyone less than perfect. I tried to gain experience during school, but I had to do it through extracurriculars since I couldn't get an actual engineering internship, and co-ops were out of the question due to my transfer situation.","c_root_id_A":"f3gc2lt","c_root_id_B":"f3gnzjk","created_at_utc_A":1570909583,"created_at_utc_B":1570913312,"score_A":10,"score_B":28,"human_ref_A":"The only one's I met were foreign kids trying to get sponsored which is pretty hard to get. One other had his engineering degree from a south american country and he could never get on as an electrical engineer even after getting asylum status and not requiring sponsorship","human_ref_B":"Western PA, come to Baltimore or the DC burbs. Always hiring. Send me a PM and I can link you the firm I work at.  On the serious relationship part. They should support you. I sold my house and moved across the country with my now wife so she could pursue her career of working in space.   My first job out of college was help desk. It doesn\u2019t always work out the way we want; but it will work out","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3729.0,"score_ratio":2.8}
{"post_id":"dgxofc","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Do you know of anyone who was unable to become an engineer despite getting the degree and their best efforts? Just for an introduction, I graduated back in April, and got a job that was pitched to me in interviews as a true engineering position. However, this turned out to be a sales role with almost no engineering work, and I was let go in July for being a poor fit. Ever since then, I have been searching mainly in Western PA and other places within a 5-6 hour drive since I am in a serious relationship. Despite getting interviews and making it to the second round in a few of them, I'm still out of luck.  I am genuinely terrified that I will be unable to get my career started. I'm also worried that accepting a tech\/CAD operator position would cement this and eat up valuable time I could be using to get a real engineering position. It seems that every second that passes without engineering experience lowers my prospects further, and I have a very limited amount of time to turn it around in an industry that doesn't seem to take in anyone less than perfect. I tried to gain experience during school, but I had to do it through extracurriculars since I couldn't get an actual engineering internship, and co-ops were out of the question due to my transfer situation.","c_root_id_A":"f3gnzjk","c_root_id_B":"f3gfhwq","created_at_utc_A":1570913312,"created_at_utc_B":1570910676,"score_A":28,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Western PA, come to Baltimore or the DC burbs. Always hiring. Send me a PM and I can link you the firm I work at.  On the serious relationship part. They should support you. I sold my house and moved across the country with my now wife so she could pursue her career of working in space.   My first job out of college was help desk. It doesn\u2019t always work out the way we want; but it will work out","human_ref_B":"I did not get one for over a year after graduation. Mostly due to bad location where SO was based; not many ppl were looking for an engineer, but a technician. They got a new job in a different state, I found a job within a reasonable commute, so we could still live together, and have been in engineering since.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2636.0,"score_ratio":4.6666666667}
{"post_id":"dgxofc","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Do you know of anyone who was unable to become an engineer despite getting the degree and their best efforts? Just for an introduction, I graduated back in April, and got a job that was pitched to me in interviews as a true engineering position. However, this turned out to be a sales role with almost no engineering work, and I was let go in July for being a poor fit. Ever since then, I have been searching mainly in Western PA and other places within a 5-6 hour drive since I am in a serious relationship. Despite getting interviews and making it to the second round in a few of them, I'm still out of luck.  I am genuinely terrified that I will be unable to get my career started. I'm also worried that accepting a tech\/CAD operator position would cement this and eat up valuable time I could be using to get a real engineering position. It seems that every second that passes without engineering experience lowers my prospects further, and I have a very limited amount of time to turn it around in an industry that doesn't seem to take in anyone less than perfect. I tried to gain experience during school, but I had to do it through extracurriculars since I couldn't get an actual engineering internship, and co-ops were out of the question due to my transfer situation.","c_root_id_A":"f3gnzjk","c_root_id_B":"f3g77f0","created_at_utc_A":1570913312,"created_at_utc_B":1570908095,"score_A":28,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Western PA, come to Baltimore or the DC burbs. Always hiring. Send me a PM and I can link you the firm I work at.  On the serious relationship part. They should support you. I sold my house and moved across the country with my now wife so she could pursue her career of working in space.   My first job out of college was help desk. It doesn\u2019t always work out the way we want; but it will work out","human_ref_B":"Only bottom of the barrel GPA students.   Redo your resume. Redo your interview style. Keep an excel spread sheet and track your apps. Shoot for a 10% interview ratio on for jobs to align with.   Your resume package should identify all the skills that match the job add several times. One time in cover letter, one time in resume, one time in your attachments. Obviously, there are going to be more skills listed in the add than on your resume, but mirror as many as you can. Don\u2019t leave out simple ones like excel too.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5217.0,"score_ratio":4.6666666667}
{"post_id":"dgxofc","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Do you know of anyone who was unable to become an engineer despite getting the degree and their best efforts? Just for an introduction, I graduated back in April, and got a job that was pitched to me in interviews as a true engineering position. However, this turned out to be a sales role with almost no engineering work, and I was let go in July for being a poor fit. Ever since then, I have been searching mainly in Western PA and other places within a 5-6 hour drive since I am in a serious relationship. Despite getting interviews and making it to the second round in a few of them, I'm still out of luck.  I am genuinely terrified that I will be unable to get my career started. I'm also worried that accepting a tech\/CAD operator position would cement this and eat up valuable time I could be using to get a real engineering position. It seems that every second that passes without engineering experience lowers my prospects further, and I have a very limited amount of time to turn it around in an industry that doesn't seem to take in anyone less than perfect. I tried to gain experience during school, but I had to do it through extracurriculars since I couldn't get an actual engineering internship, and co-ops were out of the question due to my transfer situation.","c_root_id_A":"f3fv083","c_root_id_B":"f3gnzjk","created_at_utc_A":1570903115,"created_at_utc_B":1570913312,"score_A":3,"score_B":28,"human_ref_A":"Not sure what industry you\u2019re in but if you haven\u2019t already, take a closer look at how you interview.   Are you using SMART responses or telling wandering stories?   How much are you researching the companies?   What kind of questions are you asking?   Interviewing for new grads is a lot of \u201chow well does this person learn\u201d and \u201cwould I like working with this person\u201d. The skills are somewhat important but at every engineering job I\u2019ve had to learn on the fly.","human_ref_B":"Western PA, come to Baltimore or the DC burbs. Always hiring. Send me a PM and I can link you the firm I work at.  On the serious relationship part. They should support you. I sold my house and moved across the country with my now wife so she could pursue her career of working in space.   My first job out of college was help desk. It doesn\u2019t always work out the way we want; but it will work out","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10197.0,"score_ratio":9.3333333333}
{"post_id":"dgxofc","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Do you know of anyone who was unable to become an engineer despite getting the degree and their best efforts? Just for an introduction, I graduated back in April, and got a job that was pitched to me in interviews as a true engineering position. However, this turned out to be a sales role with almost no engineering work, and I was let go in July for being a poor fit. Ever since then, I have been searching mainly in Western PA and other places within a 5-6 hour drive since I am in a serious relationship. Despite getting interviews and making it to the second round in a few of them, I'm still out of luck.  I am genuinely terrified that I will be unable to get my career started. I'm also worried that accepting a tech\/CAD operator position would cement this and eat up valuable time I could be using to get a real engineering position. It seems that every second that passes without engineering experience lowers my prospects further, and I have a very limited amount of time to turn it around in an industry that doesn't seem to take in anyone less than perfect. I tried to gain experience during school, but I had to do it through extracurriculars since I couldn't get an actual engineering internship, and co-ops were out of the question due to my transfer situation.","c_root_id_A":"f3gwmko","c_root_id_B":"f3gc2lt","created_at_utc_A":1570916036,"created_at_utc_B":1570909583,"score_A":15,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"The closest I personally know of is a person who got a degree in mechanical engineering and immediately went into sales. He never did a single day of engineering; after 20+ years, he\u2019s now VP of sales at a multibillion dollar medical device company.","human_ref_B":"The only one's I met were foreign kids trying to get sponsored which is pretty hard to get. One other had his engineering degree from a south american country and he could never get on as an electrical engineer even after getting asylum status and not requiring sponsorship","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6453.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"dgxofc","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Do you know of anyone who was unable to become an engineer despite getting the degree and their best efforts? Just for an introduction, I graduated back in April, and got a job that was pitched to me in interviews as a true engineering position. However, this turned out to be a sales role with almost no engineering work, and I was let go in July for being a poor fit. Ever since then, I have been searching mainly in Western PA and other places within a 5-6 hour drive since I am in a serious relationship. Despite getting interviews and making it to the second round in a few of them, I'm still out of luck.  I am genuinely terrified that I will be unable to get my career started. I'm also worried that accepting a tech\/CAD operator position would cement this and eat up valuable time I could be using to get a real engineering position. It seems that every second that passes without engineering experience lowers my prospects further, and I have a very limited amount of time to turn it around in an industry that doesn't seem to take in anyone less than perfect. I tried to gain experience during school, but I had to do it through extracurriculars since I couldn't get an actual engineering internship, and co-ops were out of the question due to my transfer situation.","c_root_id_A":"f3gwmko","c_root_id_B":"f3gfhwq","created_at_utc_A":1570916036,"created_at_utc_B":1570910676,"score_A":15,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"The closest I personally know of is a person who got a degree in mechanical engineering and immediately went into sales. He never did a single day of engineering; after 20+ years, he\u2019s now VP of sales at a multibillion dollar medical device company.","human_ref_B":"I did not get one for over a year after graduation. Mostly due to bad location where SO was based; not many ppl were looking for an engineer, but a technician. They got a new job in a different state, I found a job within a reasonable commute, so we could still live together, and have been in engineering since.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5360.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"dgxofc","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Do you know of anyone who was unable to become an engineer despite getting the degree and their best efforts? Just for an introduction, I graduated back in April, and got a job that was pitched to me in interviews as a true engineering position. However, this turned out to be a sales role with almost no engineering work, and I was let go in July for being a poor fit. Ever since then, I have been searching mainly in Western PA and other places within a 5-6 hour drive since I am in a serious relationship. Despite getting interviews and making it to the second round in a few of them, I'm still out of luck.  I am genuinely terrified that I will be unable to get my career started. I'm also worried that accepting a tech\/CAD operator position would cement this and eat up valuable time I could be using to get a real engineering position. It seems that every second that passes without engineering experience lowers my prospects further, and I have a very limited amount of time to turn it around in an industry that doesn't seem to take in anyone less than perfect. I tried to gain experience during school, but I had to do it through extracurriculars since I couldn't get an actual engineering internship, and co-ops were out of the question due to my transfer situation.","c_root_id_A":"f3gwmko","c_root_id_B":"f3g77f0","created_at_utc_A":1570916036,"created_at_utc_B":1570908095,"score_A":15,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"The closest I personally know of is a person who got a degree in mechanical engineering and immediately went into sales. He never did a single day of engineering; after 20+ years, he\u2019s now VP of sales at a multibillion dollar medical device company.","human_ref_B":"Only bottom of the barrel GPA students.   Redo your resume. Redo your interview style. Keep an excel spread sheet and track your apps. Shoot for a 10% interview ratio on for jobs to align with.   Your resume package should identify all the skills that match the job add several times. One time in cover letter, one time in resume, one time in your attachments. Obviously, there are going to be more skills listed in the add than on your resume, but mirror as many as you can. Don\u2019t leave out simple ones like excel too.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7941.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"dgxofc","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Do you know of anyone who was unable to become an engineer despite getting the degree and their best efforts? Just for an introduction, I graduated back in April, and got a job that was pitched to me in interviews as a true engineering position. However, this turned out to be a sales role with almost no engineering work, and I was let go in July for being a poor fit. Ever since then, I have been searching mainly in Western PA and other places within a 5-6 hour drive since I am in a serious relationship. Despite getting interviews and making it to the second round in a few of them, I'm still out of luck.  I am genuinely terrified that I will be unable to get my career started. I'm also worried that accepting a tech\/CAD operator position would cement this and eat up valuable time I could be using to get a real engineering position. It seems that every second that passes without engineering experience lowers my prospects further, and I have a very limited amount of time to turn it around in an industry that doesn't seem to take in anyone less than perfect. I tried to gain experience during school, but I had to do it through extracurriculars since I couldn't get an actual engineering internship, and co-ops were out of the question due to my transfer situation.","c_root_id_A":"f3gwmko","c_root_id_B":"f3fv083","created_at_utc_A":1570916036,"created_at_utc_B":1570903115,"score_A":15,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"The closest I personally know of is a person who got a degree in mechanical engineering and immediately went into sales. He never did a single day of engineering; after 20+ years, he\u2019s now VP of sales at a multibillion dollar medical device company.","human_ref_B":"Not sure what industry you\u2019re in but if you haven\u2019t already, take a closer look at how you interview.   Are you using SMART responses or telling wandering stories?   How much are you researching the companies?   What kind of questions are you asking?   Interviewing for new grads is a lot of \u201chow well does this person learn\u201d and \u201cwould I like working with this person\u201d. The skills are somewhat important but at every engineering job I\u2019ve had to learn on the fly.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":12921.0,"score_ratio":5.0}
{"post_id":"dgxofc","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Do you know of anyone who was unable to become an engineer despite getting the degree and their best efforts? Just for an introduction, I graduated back in April, and got a job that was pitched to me in interviews as a true engineering position. However, this turned out to be a sales role with almost no engineering work, and I was let go in July for being a poor fit. Ever since then, I have been searching mainly in Western PA and other places within a 5-6 hour drive since I am in a serious relationship. Despite getting interviews and making it to the second round in a few of them, I'm still out of luck.  I am genuinely terrified that I will be unable to get my career started. I'm also worried that accepting a tech\/CAD operator position would cement this and eat up valuable time I could be using to get a real engineering position. It seems that every second that passes without engineering experience lowers my prospects further, and I have a very limited amount of time to turn it around in an industry that doesn't seem to take in anyone less than perfect. I tried to gain experience during school, but I had to do it through extracurriculars since I couldn't get an actual engineering internship, and co-ops were out of the question due to my transfer situation.","c_root_id_A":"f3gc2lt","c_root_id_B":"f3g77f0","created_at_utc_A":1570909583,"created_at_utc_B":1570908095,"score_A":10,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"The only one's I met were foreign kids trying to get sponsored which is pretty hard to get. One other had his engineering degree from a south american country and he could never get on as an electrical engineer even after getting asylum status and not requiring sponsorship","human_ref_B":"Only bottom of the barrel GPA students.   Redo your resume. Redo your interview style. Keep an excel spread sheet and track your apps. Shoot for a 10% interview ratio on for jobs to align with.   Your resume package should identify all the skills that match the job add several times. One time in cover letter, one time in resume, one time in your attachments. Obviously, there are going to be more skills listed in the add than on your resume, but mirror as many as you can. Don\u2019t leave out simple ones like excel too.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1488.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"dgxofc","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Do you know of anyone who was unable to become an engineer despite getting the degree and their best efforts? Just for an introduction, I graduated back in April, and got a job that was pitched to me in interviews as a true engineering position. However, this turned out to be a sales role with almost no engineering work, and I was let go in July for being a poor fit. Ever since then, I have been searching mainly in Western PA and other places within a 5-6 hour drive since I am in a serious relationship. Despite getting interviews and making it to the second round in a few of them, I'm still out of luck.  I am genuinely terrified that I will be unable to get my career started. I'm also worried that accepting a tech\/CAD operator position would cement this and eat up valuable time I could be using to get a real engineering position. It seems that every second that passes without engineering experience lowers my prospects further, and I have a very limited amount of time to turn it around in an industry that doesn't seem to take in anyone less than perfect. I tried to gain experience during school, but I had to do it through extracurriculars since I couldn't get an actual engineering internship, and co-ops were out of the question due to my transfer situation.","c_root_id_A":"f3gc2lt","c_root_id_B":"f3fv083","created_at_utc_A":1570909583,"created_at_utc_B":1570903115,"score_A":10,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"The only one's I met were foreign kids trying to get sponsored which is pretty hard to get. One other had his engineering degree from a south american country and he could never get on as an electrical engineer even after getting asylum status and not requiring sponsorship","human_ref_B":"Not sure what industry you\u2019re in but if you haven\u2019t already, take a closer look at how you interview.   Are you using SMART responses or telling wandering stories?   How much are you researching the companies?   What kind of questions are you asking?   Interviewing for new grads is a lot of \u201chow well does this person learn\u201d and \u201cwould I like working with this person\u201d. The skills are somewhat important but at every engineering job I\u2019ve had to learn on the fly.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6468.0,"score_ratio":3.3333333333}
{"post_id":"dgxofc","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Do you know of anyone who was unable to become an engineer despite getting the degree and their best efforts? Just for an introduction, I graduated back in April, and got a job that was pitched to me in interviews as a true engineering position. However, this turned out to be a sales role with almost no engineering work, and I was let go in July for being a poor fit. Ever since then, I have been searching mainly in Western PA and other places within a 5-6 hour drive since I am in a serious relationship. Despite getting interviews and making it to the second round in a few of them, I'm still out of luck.  I am genuinely terrified that I will be unable to get my career started. I'm also worried that accepting a tech\/CAD operator position would cement this and eat up valuable time I could be using to get a real engineering position. It seems that every second that passes without engineering experience lowers my prospects further, and I have a very limited amount of time to turn it around in an industry that doesn't seem to take in anyone less than perfect. I tried to gain experience during school, but I had to do it through extracurriculars since I couldn't get an actual engineering internship, and co-ops were out of the question due to my transfer situation.","c_root_id_A":"f3fv083","c_root_id_B":"f3gfhwq","created_at_utc_A":1570903115,"created_at_utc_B":1570910676,"score_A":3,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Not sure what industry you\u2019re in but if you haven\u2019t already, take a closer look at how you interview.   Are you using SMART responses or telling wandering stories?   How much are you researching the companies?   What kind of questions are you asking?   Interviewing for new grads is a lot of \u201chow well does this person learn\u201d and \u201cwould I like working with this person\u201d. The skills are somewhat important but at every engineering job I\u2019ve had to learn on the fly.","human_ref_B":"I did not get one for over a year after graduation. Mostly due to bad location where SO was based; not many ppl were looking for an engineer, but a technician. They got a new job in a different state, I found a job within a reasonable commute, so we could still live together, and have been in engineering since.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7561.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"dgxofc","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Do you know of anyone who was unable to become an engineer despite getting the degree and their best efforts? Just for an introduction, I graduated back in April, and got a job that was pitched to me in interviews as a true engineering position. However, this turned out to be a sales role with almost no engineering work, and I was let go in July for being a poor fit. Ever since then, I have been searching mainly in Western PA and other places within a 5-6 hour drive since I am in a serious relationship. Despite getting interviews and making it to the second round in a few of them, I'm still out of luck.  I am genuinely terrified that I will be unable to get my career started. I'm also worried that accepting a tech\/CAD operator position would cement this and eat up valuable time I could be using to get a real engineering position. It seems that every second that passes without engineering experience lowers my prospects further, and I have a very limited amount of time to turn it around in an industry that doesn't seem to take in anyone less than perfect. I tried to gain experience during school, but I had to do it through extracurriculars since I couldn't get an actual engineering internship, and co-ops were out of the question due to my transfer situation.","c_root_id_A":"f3fv083","c_root_id_B":"f3g77f0","created_at_utc_A":1570903115,"created_at_utc_B":1570908095,"score_A":3,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Not sure what industry you\u2019re in but if you haven\u2019t already, take a closer look at how you interview.   Are you using SMART responses or telling wandering stories?   How much are you researching the companies?   What kind of questions are you asking?   Interviewing for new grads is a lot of \u201chow well does this person learn\u201d and \u201cwould I like working with this person\u201d. The skills are somewhat important but at every engineering job I\u2019ve had to learn on the fly.","human_ref_B":"Only bottom of the barrel GPA students.   Redo your resume. Redo your interview style. Keep an excel spread sheet and track your apps. Shoot for a 10% interview ratio on for jobs to align with.   Your resume package should identify all the skills that match the job add several times. One time in cover letter, one time in resume, one time in your attachments. Obviously, there are going to be more skills listed in the add than on your resume, but mirror as many as you can. Don\u2019t leave out simple ones like excel too.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4980.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"dgxofc","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Do you know of anyone who was unable to become an engineer despite getting the degree and their best efforts? Just for an introduction, I graduated back in April, and got a job that was pitched to me in interviews as a true engineering position. However, this turned out to be a sales role with almost no engineering work, and I was let go in July for being a poor fit. Ever since then, I have been searching mainly in Western PA and other places within a 5-6 hour drive since I am in a serious relationship. Despite getting interviews and making it to the second round in a few of them, I'm still out of luck.  I am genuinely terrified that I will be unable to get my career started. I'm also worried that accepting a tech\/CAD operator position would cement this and eat up valuable time I could be using to get a real engineering position. It seems that every second that passes without engineering experience lowers my prospects further, and I have a very limited amount of time to turn it around in an industry that doesn't seem to take in anyone less than perfect. I tried to gain experience during school, but I had to do it through extracurriculars since I couldn't get an actual engineering internship, and co-ops were out of the question due to my transfer situation.","c_root_id_A":"f3fv083","c_root_id_B":"f3gyp5d","created_at_utc_A":1570903115,"created_at_utc_B":1570916609,"score_A":3,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Not sure what industry you\u2019re in but if you haven\u2019t already, take a closer look at how you interview.   Are you using SMART responses or telling wandering stories?   How much are you researching the companies?   What kind of questions are you asking?   Interviewing for new grads is a lot of \u201chow well does this person learn\u201d and \u201cwould I like working with this person\u201d. The skills are somewhat important but at every engineering job I\u2019ve had to learn on the fly.","human_ref_B":"You might have to start with some sort of engineering internship or something like a tech to get on-the-job industry experience.    Typically, an engineering degree just gives the graduate a theoretical foundation but nearly zero industry usefulness. (I\u2019ve trained about 6+ interns).    For a short term project (less than one year), I\u2019d rather hire a tech with no degree and with 4 years of on-the-job industry experience than a degreed engineer with zero industry experience.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":13494.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"s0lp88","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"If heat pumps can be more than 100% efficient, why don't we see kitchen appliances (ovens, stoves) using heat pumps? Even if it's not cost effective in the home, I feel like it would be in commercial kitchens. My dream is a house where everything is as efficient as possible. It occurred to me you could have an oven providing 3kw of heating using a fraction of that electrical power with a heat pump. Even better if you can use the chilling for HVAC or refrigeration.","c_root_id_A":"hs323mg","c_root_id_B":"hs311yi","created_at_utc_A":1641834290,"created_at_utc_B":1641833908,"score_A":9,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Good points as far as stoves in this thread. What about refrigerators\/freezers? Temperature gradient to outdoors is less extreme and they are less dependent on rapid cooling.","human_ref_B":"Induction cooktops put the heat right where you want it. Can\u2019t do that with radiant heat. You would be hard pressed to beat that for efficiency short if a microwave oven.  Also have a toaster oven that uses infrared quartz heaters. It puts more heat to the food.   Heat pumps would be poor for the application. Not enough heat in that small of an area.  If your home had a geothermal heat pump loop, linking your water heater to that loop would be low hanging fruit.  The refrigerator is so efficient these days that it is pretty pointless to try to harvest a little heat, and you want that heat in winter. But I bet there is a fridge out there somewhere with a hookup for a water loop to your geothermal system.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":382.0,"score_ratio":2.25}
{"post_id":"s0lp88","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"If heat pumps can be more than 100% efficient, why don't we see kitchen appliances (ovens, stoves) using heat pumps? Even if it's not cost effective in the home, I feel like it would be in commercial kitchens. My dream is a house where everything is as efficient as possible. It occurred to me you could have an oven providing 3kw of heating using a fraction of that electrical power with a heat pump. Even better if you can use the chilling for HVAC or refrigeration.","c_root_id_A":"hs3x114","c_root_id_B":"hs33zkd","created_at_utc_A":1641845514,"created_at_utc_B":1641834970,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Heat pumps are NOT more than 100% efficient.","human_ref_B":"They use them in dryers for clothing. It keeps my clothing lasting longer due to not needing high heat like the traditional ones.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10544.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"s0lp88","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"If heat pumps can be more than 100% efficient, why don't we see kitchen appliances (ovens, stoves) using heat pumps? Even if it's not cost effective in the home, I feel like it would be in commercial kitchens. My dream is a house where everything is as efficient as possible. It occurred to me you could have an oven providing 3kw of heating using a fraction of that electrical power with a heat pump. Even better if you can use the chilling for HVAC or refrigeration.","c_root_id_A":"hs3fl1q","c_root_id_B":"hs3x114","created_at_utc_A":1641839167,"created_at_utc_B":1641845514,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Two basic reasons - first, efficiency is not a very high priority of cooking equipment buyers, and second because the design of a heat pump to achieve the high temperatures necessary is very tough.  First point: Older ranges from the 1980s and before used more power driving the clock than actually cooking over the lifetime of the appliance - this is why now pretty much all appliance makers try for less than 1w standby power. The cooking power consumption is orders of magnitude less than (say) your fridge, which is already a heat pump :)  Second point: Heat pumps use refrigerants, usually something like R410a or R32, and those have upper pressure\/temperature limits, which make getting much above about 180F very difficult. See heat pump water heaters for details. There are also some severe limitations when the ambient temperature drops (so delta T, the difference you need to pump through) gets large. Imagine not being able to cook supper if it was below freezing outside?","human_ref_B":"Heat pumps are NOT more than 100% efficient.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6347.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"wpzibh","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Is heat pump heating more efficient than natural gas heating? Electric heat pumps can me more efficient than \"1\" when heating a house.  Is heat pump heating, energetically speaking, also more efficient than a modern natural natural gas heating system, if the same natural gas would be used in a utility-run bug gas-fueled electricity plant?  If so, why is running an electric heat pump still more expensive, watt-for-watt than using has heating?  (I'm thinking about Germany in particular, but everyone I know says that electric heat pump heating is more expensive than gas burning)","c_root_id_A":"ikjp03z","c_root_id_B":"ikjosta","created_at_utc_A":1660671557,"created_at_utc_B":1660671480,"score_A":84,"score_B":27,"human_ref_A":"Yes a heat pump is more efficient than gas at heating in most climates. This is due to the thermodynamic properties of a refrigerant and the ability of a heat pump to \"pump\" heat from cold to hot.  Even though a heat pump is generally more efficient and takes less fuel to create the same amount of heat as gas it can be more expensive to run a heat pump. The cost of generating electricity and delivering it to your home can be more expensive than delivering gas on a cost per energy basis.   There are probably better resources out there, but check out the illustration on the bottom of the page from the link below which shows a simplified view of this  For example the heat pump uses 0.9 units of fuel to produce 1 unit of heating the house with heat pump. The gas furnace uses 1.4 units of fuel for 1 unit of heating. Clearly the heat pump is more efficient.  If you look at the energy being delivered to the house you see that it is 0.3 units for electric and 1.4 units for gas.  As an example, If you consider the cost of electricity to be say $50\/unit and the cost of gas is $10\/unit then the electric bill for the heat pump would be $15 per unit of heat ($50x0.3 units) and $14 per unit of heat for gas ($10x1.4 units).  Heat Pump","human_ref_B":"Heat pumps are always more efficient from an energy in to energy applied perspective. However, it isn't always cheaper. In my area, we use almost exclusively hydroelectric power. Even with that, gas heating is still stupidly cheap and nobody buys heat pumps. For reference, it's like 1\/10th the price of electricity.      I was living in a tiny apartment with only electric heat pumps and electric resistance water heaters. Switched to a house double the size and added another person to the household. The only switch in appliances is a gas water heater, gas furnace, and less efficienct hvac cooling. My gas bill is $12 and the electric bill stayed the same price even with all the additional requirements.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":77.0,"score_ratio":3.1111111111}
{"post_id":"wpzibh","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Is heat pump heating more efficient than natural gas heating? Electric heat pumps can me more efficient than \"1\" when heating a house.  Is heat pump heating, energetically speaking, also more efficient than a modern natural natural gas heating system, if the same natural gas would be used in a utility-run bug gas-fueled electricity plant?  If so, why is running an electric heat pump still more expensive, watt-for-watt than using has heating?  (I'm thinking about Germany in particular, but everyone I know says that electric heat pump heating is more expensive than gas burning)","c_root_id_A":"ikkexk2","c_root_id_B":"ikkw71c","created_at_utc_A":1660681461,"created_at_utc_B":1660688495,"score_A":7,"score_B":16,"human_ref_A":"There's a whooooooole lot of factors that go into this.  For gas heating you're about 90-96% efficient on converting fuel to heat. Meanwhile, a heat pump can be anywhere from 150% to 300%? (I'm not exactly sure where the limit is anymore, the technology is improving rapidly) efficient.  The hiccup in the entire thing is the fact that on a cost-per-unit of equivalent energy basis, gas gets you about 60% more fuel per dollar than electricity (varies heavily based on location, this is what it works out to in my region).  So, most of the time, it's more efficient to use a heat pump. There is a real crossover point though where either the heat pump becomes less efficient on a cost basis, or the heat pump isn't capable of putting out enough heat due to outdoor temps becoming too cold for it to operate at a reasonable point on its efficiency curve.","human_ref_B":"Enjoy: https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=7J52mDjZzto   Heat pumps lose efficiency in some conditions and work amazingly efficiently in others. Humidity is a big factor in heat pump efficiency, as is ambient temp. Also transmission losses mean that electricity usually costs more than natural gas, watt for watt.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7034.0,"score_ratio":2.2857142857}
{"post_id":"wpzibh","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Is heat pump heating more efficient than natural gas heating? Electric heat pumps can me more efficient than \"1\" when heating a house.  Is heat pump heating, energetically speaking, also more efficient than a modern natural natural gas heating system, if the same natural gas would be used in a utility-run bug gas-fueled electricity plant?  If so, why is running an electric heat pump still more expensive, watt-for-watt than using has heating?  (I'm thinking about Germany in particular, but everyone I know says that electric heat pump heating is more expensive than gas burning)","c_root_id_A":"ikkw71c","c_root_id_B":"ikjq9sy","created_at_utc_A":1660688495,"created_at_utc_B":1660672036,"score_A":16,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Enjoy: https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=7J52mDjZzto   Heat pumps lose efficiency in some conditions and work amazingly efficiently in others. Humidity is a big factor in heat pump efficiency, as is ambient temp. Also transmission losses mean that electricity usually costs more than natural gas, watt for watt.","human_ref_B":"Heat pumps are more efficient (in terms of energy in vs energy out) than gas furnaces *at certain temperatures.* At lower temperatures (and it's different for every heat pump), efficiency drops off dramatically.  You don't see heat pumps being used to generate electricity because while they produce *heat*, they don't produce the *temperatures* it takes to drive the turbines.  And as others have pointed out, just because a heat pump is more efficient than gas doesn't necessarily mean it's less expensive to operate. In many areas, gas is cheaper than a heat pump on a BTU-to-BTU basis.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":16459.0,"score_ratio":5.3333333333}
{"post_id":"wpzibh","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Is heat pump heating more efficient than natural gas heating? Electric heat pumps can me more efficient than \"1\" when heating a house.  Is heat pump heating, energetically speaking, also more efficient than a modern natural natural gas heating system, if the same natural gas would be used in a utility-run bug gas-fueled electricity plant?  If so, why is running an electric heat pump still more expensive, watt-for-watt than using has heating?  (I'm thinking about Germany in particular, but everyone I know says that electric heat pump heating is more expensive than gas burning)","c_root_id_A":"ikk3nfr","c_root_id_B":"ikkw71c","created_at_utc_A":1660677098,"created_at_utc_B":1660688495,"score_A":4,"score_B":16,"human_ref_A":"Don't have much experience so I only can speak in theories... Assuming gas fired power-plat having 45% and COP 4 for heat pump... It generates about 180% of heat compared to basic gas burning heater...  But COP of heat pump will drop in low ambient  temperatures and not everything is ideal, so the difference may be less... But i think heat pump is still better  Correct me if i'm wrong","human_ref_B":"Enjoy: https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=7J52mDjZzto   Heat pumps lose efficiency in some conditions and work amazingly efficiently in others. Humidity is a big factor in heat pump efficiency, as is ambient temp. Also transmission losses mean that electricity usually costs more than natural gas, watt for watt.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11397.0,"score_ratio":4.0}
{"post_id":"wpzibh","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Is heat pump heating more efficient than natural gas heating? Electric heat pumps can me more efficient than \"1\" when heating a house.  Is heat pump heating, energetically speaking, also more efficient than a modern natural natural gas heating system, if the same natural gas would be used in a utility-run bug gas-fueled electricity plant?  If so, why is running an electric heat pump still more expensive, watt-for-watt than using has heating?  (I'm thinking about Germany in particular, but everyone I know says that electric heat pump heating is more expensive than gas burning)","c_root_id_A":"ikki635","c_root_id_B":"ikkw71c","created_at_utc_A":1660682741,"created_at_utc_B":1660688495,"score_A":3,"score_B":16,"human_ref_A":"This may be of interest:  Technology Connections - Why Heat Pumps are Immensely Important Right Now","human_ref_B":"Enjoy: https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=7J52mDjZzto   Heat pumps lose efficiency in some conditions and work amazingly efficiently in others. Humidity is a big factor in heat pump efficiency, as is ambient temp. Also transmission losses mean that electricity usually costs more than natural gas, watt for watt.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5754.0,"score_ratio":5.3333333333}
{"post_id":"wpzibh","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Is heat pump heating more efficient than natural gas heating? Electric heat pumps can me more efficient than \"1\" when heating a house.  Is heat pump heating, energetically speaking, also more efficient than a modern natural natural gas heating system, if the same natural gas would be used in a utility-run bug gas-fueled electricity plant?  If so, why is running an electric heat pump still more expensive, watt-for-watt than using has heating?  (I'm thinking about Germany in particular, but everyone I know says that electric heat pump heating is more expensive than gas burning)","c_root_id_A":"ikkw71c","c_root_id_B":"ikklwym","created_at_utc_A":1660688495,"created_at_utc_B":1660684224,"score_A":16,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Enjoy: https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=7J52mDjZzto   Heat pumps lose efficiency in some conditions and work amazingly efficiently in others. Humidity is a big factor in heat pump efficiency, as is ambient temp. Also transmission losses mean that electricity usually costs more than natural gas, watt for watt.","human_ref_B":"Of course it's more efficient watt-for-watt. The question is how much does electricity cost and how much does natural gas cost. Here in California, electricity is very expensive, sometimes more expensive than Germany, and gas is pretty cheap, so a typical modern gas-fired furnace is cheaper to operate than a heat pump.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4271.0,"score_ratio":5.3333333333}
{"post_id":"wpzibh","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Is heat pump heating more efficient than natural gas heating? Electric heat pumps can me more efficient than \"1\" when heating a house.  Is heat pump heating, energetically speaking, also more efficient than a modern natural natural gas heating system, if the same natural gas would be used in a utility-run bug gas-fueled electricity plant?  If so, why is running an electric heat pump still more expensive, watt-for-watt than using has heating?  (I'm thinking about Germany in particular, but everyone I know says that electric heat pump heating is more expensive than gas burning)","c_root_id_A":"ikkw71c","c_root_id_B":"ikkafuj","created_at_utc_A":1660688495,"created_at_utc_B":1660679698,"score_A":16,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Enjoy: https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=7J52mDjZzto   Heat pumps lose efficiency in some conditions and work amazingly efficiently in others. Humidity is a big factor in heat pump efficiency, as is ambient temp. Also transmission losses mean that electricity usually costs more than natural gas, watt for watt.","human_ref_B":">If so, why is running an electric heat pump still more expensive, watt-for-watt than using has heating  I'm guessing this is based on in use data. Heat pumps do not work below a certain temperature and will back up to electric heat. So on the really cold days the unit will not be more cost efficient than gas.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8797.0,"score_ratio":8.0}
{"post_id":"wpzibh","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Is heat pump heating more efficient than natural gas heating? Electric heat pumps can me more efficient than \"1\" when heating a house.  Is heat pump heating, energetically speaking, also more efficient than a modern natural natural gas heating system, if the same natural gas would be used in a utility-run bug gas-fueled electricity plant?  If so, why is running an electric heat pump still more expensive, watt-for-watt than using has heating?  (I'm thinking about Germany in particular, but everyone I know says that electric heat pump heating is more expensive than gas burning)","c_root_id_A":"ikkw71c","c_root_id_B":"ikki2ba","created_at_utc_A":1660688495,"created_at_utc_B":1660682699,"score_A":16,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Enjoy: https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=7J52mDjZzto   Heat pumps lose efficiency in some conditions and work amazingly efficiently in others. Humidity is a big factor in heat pump efficiency, as is ambient temp. Also transmission losses mean that electricity usually costs more than natural gas, watt for watt.","human_ref_B":"Example:  Wholesale gas costs \u20ac0.30 per cubic meter. Power plant operates at 50% efficiency. Heat pump operates at a COP of 3.0 Energy content of gas is 10 kWh\/m^3 Retail electricity delivery costs an extra \u20ac0.15\/kWh Retail gas delivery costs an extra \u20ac0.20\/m^3  Gas heat: (\u20ac0.3 + \u20ac0.2) \/ 10 = \u20ac0.05\/kWh of heat  Heat pump: ((\u20ac0.3 \/ 50%) \/ 10 + \u20ac0.15) \/ 3.0 = \u20ac0.07\/kWh of heat","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5796.0,"score_ratio":8.0}
{"post_id":"wpzibh","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Is heat pump heating more efficient than natural gas heating? Electric heat pumps can me more efficient than \"1\" when heating a house.  Is heat pump heating, energetically speaking, also more efficient than a modern natural natural gas heating system, if the same natural gas would be used in a utility-run bug gas-fueled electricity plant?  If so, why is running an electric heat pump still more expensive, watt-for-watt than using has heating?  (I'm thinking about Germany in particular, but everyone I know says that electric heat pump heating is more expensive than gas burning)","c_root_id_A":"ikkexk2","c_root_id_B":"ikku3ty","created_at_utc_A":1660681461,"created_at_utc_B":1660687587,"score_A":7,"score_B":16,"human_ref_A":"There's a whooooooole lot of factors that go into this.  For gas heating you're about 90-96% efficient on converting fuel to heat. Meanwhile, a heat pump can be anywhere from 150% to 300%? (I'm not exactly sure where the limit is anymore, the technology is improving rapidly) efficient.  The hiccup in the entire thing is the fact that on a cost-per-unit of equivalent energy basis, gas gets you about 60% more fuel per dollar than electricity (varies heavily based on location, this is what it works out to in my region).  So, most of the time, it's more efficient to use a heat pump. There is a real crossover point though where either the heat pump becomes less efficient on a cost basis, or the heat pump isn't capable of putting out enough heat due to outdoor temps becoming too cold for it to operate at a reasonable point on its efficiency curve.","human_ref_B":"Define \u201cefficiency\u201d  A heat pump is not burning the fuel (electricity) to create heat, it is using the fuel to pump heat from the atmosphere (or whatever your source) to your house. It\u2019s thermal efficiency is over 300% because the heat source is free, only the pumping costs you energy.  A furnace actually burns the fuel input to create heat. It is limited to a theoretical cap of 100% efficiency. The electrical equivalent to a gas furnace is an electric resistance heater.  This huge difference in efficiency is lessened by the fact that a watt-hour of gas is often cheaper than a watt-hour of electricity. This is mostly because of distribution losses from the power plant to your house (over half of the electrical energy is lost in transmission, but not much gas is lost in the pipe network).  With typical energy prices in the US, the heat pump is more economical. But if gas is hella cheap, the furnace will have a better **cost efficiency** even though it is less thermally efficient of a machine.  This all assumes that the heat pump can even cover your entire heat load. Really cold climates need supplemental heat other than a heat pump.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6126.0,"score_ratio":2.2857142857}
{"post_id":"wpzibh","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Is heat pump heating more efficient than natural gas heating? Electric heat pumps can me more efficient than \"1\" when heating a house.  Is heat pump heating, energetically speaking, also more efficient than a modern natural natural gas heating system, if the same natural gas would be used in a utility-run bug gas-fueled electricity plant?  If so, why is running an electric heat pump still more expensive, watt-for-watt than using has heating?  (I'm thinking about Germany in particular, but everyone I know says that electric heat pump heating is more expensive than gas burning)","c_root_id_A":"ikjq9sy","c_root_id_B":"ikku3ty","created_at_utc_A":1660672036,"created_at_utc_B":1660687587,"score_A":3,"score_B":16,"human_ref_A":"Heat pumps are more efficient (in terms of energy in vs energy out) than gas furnaces *at certain temperatures.* At lower temperatures (and it's different for every heat pump), efficiency drops off dramatically.  You don't see heat pumps being used to generate electricity because while they produce *heat*, they don't produce the *temperatures* it takes to drive the turbines.  And as others have pointed out, just because a heat pump is more efficient than gas doesn't necessarily mean it's less expensive to operate. In many areas, gas is cheaper than a heat pump on a BTU-to-BTU basis.","human_ref_B":"Define \u201cefficiency\u201d  A heat pump is not burning the fuel (electricity) to create heat, it is using the fuel to pump heat from the atmosphere (or whatever your source) to your house. It\u2019s thermal efficiency is over 300% because the heat source is free, only the pumping costs you energy.  A furnace actually burns the fuel input to create heat. It is limited to a theoretical cap of 100% efficiency. The electrical equivalent to a gas furnace is an electric resistance heater.  This huge difference in efficiency is lessened by the fact that a watt-hour of gas is often cheaper than a watt-hour of electricity. This is mostly because of distribution losses from the power plant to your house (over half of the electrical energy is lost in transmission, but not much gas is lost in the pipe network).  With typical energy prices in the US, the heat pump is more economical. But if gas is hella cheap, the furnace will have a better **cost efficiency** even though it is less thermally efficient of a machine.  This all assumes that the heat pump can even cover your entire heat load. Really cold climates need supplemental heat other than a heat pump.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":15551.0,"score_ratio":5.3333333333}
{"post_id":"wpzibh","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Is heat pump heating more efficient than natural gas heating? Electric heat pumps can me more efficient than \"1\" when heating a house.  Is heat pump heating, energetically speaking, also more efficient than a modern natural natural gas heating system, if the same natural gas would be used in a utility-run bug gas-fueled electricity plant?  If so, why is running an electric heat pump still more expensive, watt-for-watt than using has heating?  (I'm thinking about Germany in particular, but everyone I know says that electric heat pump heating is more expensive than gas burning)","c_root_id_A":"ikku3ty","c_root_id_B":"ikk3nfr","created_at_utc_A":1660687587,"created_at_utc_B":1660677098,"score_A":16,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Define \u201cefficiency\u201d  A heat pump is not burning the fuel (electricity) to create heat, it is using the fuel to pump heat from the atmosphere (or whatever your source) to your house. It\u2019s thermal efficiency is over 300% because the heat source is free, only the pumping costs you energy.  A furnace actually burns the fuel input to create heat. It is limited to a theoretical cap of 100% efficiency. The electrical equivalent to a gas furnace is an electric resistance heater.  This huge difference in efficiency is lessened by the fact that a watt-hour of gas is often cheaper than a watt-hour of electricity. This is mostly because of distribution losses from the power plant to your house (over half of the electrical energy is lost in transmission, but not much gas is lost in the pipe network).  With typical energy prices in the US, the heat pump is more economical. But if gas is hella cheap, the furnace will have a better **cost efficiency** even though it is less thermally efficient of a machine.  This all assumes that the heat pump can even cover your entire heat load. Really cold climates need supplemental heat other than a heat pump.","human_ref_B":"Don't have much experience so I only can speak in theories... Assuming gas fired power-plat having 45% and COP 4 for heat pump... It generates about 180% of heat compared to basic gas burning heater...  But COP of heat pump will drop in low ambient  temperatures and not everything is ideal, so the difference may be less... But i think heat pump is still better  Correct me if i'm wrong","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10489.0,"score_ratio":4.0}
{"post_id":"wpzibh","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Is heat pump heating more efficient than natural gas heating? Electric heat pumps can me more efficient than \"1\" when heating a house.  Is heat pump heating, energetically speaking, also more efficient than a modern natural natural gas heating system, if the same natural gas would be used in a utility-run bug gas-fueled electricity plant?  If so, why is running an electric heat pump still more expensive, watt-for-watt than using has heating?  (I'm thinking about Germany in particular, but everyone I know says that electric heat pump heating is more expensive than gas burning)","c_root_id_A":"ikki635","c_root_id_B":"ikku3ty","created_at_utc_A":1660682741,"created_at_utc_B":1660687587,"score_A":3,"score_B":16,"human_ref_A":"This may be of interest:  Technology Connections - Why Heat Pumps are Immensely Important Right Now","human_ref_B":"Define \u201cefficiency\u201d  A heat pump is not burning the fuel (electricity) to create heat, it is using the fuel to pump heat from the atmosphere (or whatever your source) to your house. It\u2019s thermal efficiency is over 300% because the heat source is free, only the pumping costs you energy.  A furnace actually burns the fuel input to create heat. It is limited to a theoretical cap of 100% efficiency. The electrical equivalent to a gas furnace is an electric resistance heater.  This huge difference in efficiency is lessened by the fact that a watt-hour of gas is often cheaper than a watt-hour of electricity. This is mostly because of distribution losses from the power plant to your house (over half of the electrical energy is lost in transmission, but not much gas is lost in the pipe network).  With typical energy prices in the US, the heat pump is more economical. But if gas is hella cheap, the furnace will have a better **cost efficiency** even though it is less thermally efficient of a machine.  This all assumes that the heat pump can even cover your entire heat load. Really cold climates need supplemental heat other than a heat pump.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4846.0,"score_ratio":5.3333333333}
{"post_id":"wpzibh","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Is heat pump heating more efficient than natural gas heating? Electric heat pumps can me more efficient than \"1\" when heating a house.  Is heat pump heating, energetically speaking, also more efficient than a modern natural natural gas heating system, if the same natural gas would be used in a utility-run bug gas-fueled electricity plant?  If so, why is running an electric heat pump still more expensive, watt-for-watt than using has heating?  (I'm thinking about Germany in particular, but everyone I know says that electric heat pump heating is more expensive than gas burning)","c_root_id_A":"ikku3ty","c_root_id_B":"ikklwym","created_at_utc_A":1660687587,"created_at_utc_B":1660684224,"score_A":16,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Define \u201cefficiency\u201d  A heat pump is not burning the fuel (electricity) to create heat, it is using the fuel to pump heat from the atmosphere (or whatever your source) to your house. It\u2019s thermal efficiency is over 300% because the heat source is free, only the pumping costs you energy.  A furnace actually burns the fuel input to create heat. It is limited to a theoretical cap of 100% efficiency. The electrical equivalent to a gas furnace is an electric resistance heater.  This huge difference in efficiency is lessened by the fact that a watt-hour of gas is often cheaper than a watt-hour of electricity. This is mostly because of distribution losses from the power plant to your house (over half of the electrical energy is lost in transmission, but not much gas is lost in the pipe network).  With typical energy prices in the US, the heat pump is more economical. But if gas is hella cheap, the furnace will have a better **cost efficiency** even though it is less thermally efficient of a machine.  This all assumes that the heat pump can even cover your entire heat load. Really cold climates need supplemental heat other than a heat pump.","human_ref_B":"Of course it's more efficient watt-for-watt. The question is how much does electricity cost and how much does natural gas cost. Here in California, electricity is very expensive, sometimes more expensive than Germany, and gas is pretty cheap, so a typical modern gas-fired furnace is cheaper to operate than a heat pump.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3363.0,"score_ratio":5.3333333333}
{"post_id":"wpzibh","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Is heat pump heating more efficient than natural gas heating? Electric heat pumps can me more efficient than \"1\" when heating a house.  Is heat pump heating, energetically speaking, also more efficient than a modern natural natural gas heating system, if the same natural gas would be used in a utility-run bug gas-fueled electricity plant?  If so, why is running an electric heat pump still more expensive, watt-for-watt than using has heating?  (I'm thinking about Germany in particular, but everyone I know says that electric heat pump heating is more expensive than gas burning)","c_root_id_A":"ikku3ty","c_root_id_B":"ikkafuj","created_at_utc_A":1660687587,"created_at_utc_B":1660679698,"score_A":16,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Define \u201cefficiency\u201d  A heat pump is not burning the fuel (electricity) to create heat, it is using the fuel to pump heat from the atmosphere (or whatever your source) to your house. It\u2019s thermal efficiency is over 300% because the heat source is free, only the pumping costs you energy.  A furnace actually burns the fuel input to create heat. It is limited to a theoretical cap of 100% efficiency. The electrical equivalent to a gas furnace is an electric resistance heater.  This huge difference in efficiency is lessened by the fact that a watt-hour of gas is often cheaper than a watt-hour of electricity. This is mostly because of distribution losses from the power plant to your house (over half of the electrical energy is lost in transmission, but not much gas is lost in the pipe network).  With typical energy prices in the US, the heat pump is more economical. But if gas is hella cheap, the furnace will have a better **cost efficiency** even though it is less thermally efficient of a machine.  This all assumes that the heat pump can even cover your entire heat load. Really cold climates need supplemental heat other than a heat pump.","human_ref_B":">If so, why is running an electric heat pump still more expensive, watt-for-watt than using has heating  I'm guessing this is based on in use data. Heat pumps do not work below a certain temperature and will back up to electric heat. So on the really cold days the unit will not be more cost efficient than gas.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7889.0,"score_ratio":8.0}
{"post_id":"wpzibh","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Is heat pump heating more efficient than natural gas heating? Electric heat pumps can me more efficient than \"1\" when heating a house.  Is heat pump heating, energetically speaking, also more efficient than a modern natural natural gas heating system, if the same natural gas would be used in a utility-run bug gas-fueled electricity plant?  If so, why is running an electric heat pump still more expensive, watt-for-watt than using has heating?  (I'm thinking about Germany in particular, but everyone I know says that electric heat pump heating is more expensive than gas burning)","c_root_id_A":"ikku3ty","c_root_id_B":"ikki2ba","created_at_utc_A":1660687587,"created_at_utc_B":1660682699,"score_A":16,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Define \u201cefficiency\u201d  A heat pump is not burning the fuel (electricity) to create heat, it is using the fuel to pump heat from the atmosphere (or whatever your source) to your house. It\u2019s thermal efficiency is over 300% because the heat source is free, only the pumping costs you energy.  A furnace actually burns the fuel input to create heat. It is limited to a theoretical cap of 100% efficiency. The electrical equivalent to a gas furnace is an electric resistance heater.  This huge difference in efficiency is lessened by the fact that a watt-hour of gas is often cheaper than a watt-hour of electricity. This is mostly because of distribution losses from the power plant to your house (over half of the electrical energy is lost in transmission, but not much gas is lost in the pipe network).  With typical energy prices in the US, the heat pump is more economical. But if gas is hella cheap, the furnace will have a better **cost efficiency** even though it is less thermally efficient of a machine.  This all assumes that the heat pump can even cover your entire heat load. Really cold climates need supplemental heat other than a heat pump.","human_ref_B":"Example:  Wholesale gas costs \u20ac0.30 per cubic meter. Power plant operates at 50% efficiency. Heat pump operates at a COP of 3.0 Energy content of gas is 10 kWh\/m^3 Retail electricity delivery costs an extra \u20ac0.15\/kWh Retail gas delivery costs an extra \u20ac0.20\/m^3  Gas heat: (\u20ac0.3 + \u20ac0.2) \/ 10 = \u20ac0.05\/kWh of heat  Heat pump: ((\u20ac0.3 \/ 50%) \/ 10 + \u20ac0.15) \/ 3.0 = \u20ac0.07\/kWh of heat","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4888.0,"score_ratio":8.0}
{"post_id":"wpzibh","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Is heat pump heating more efficient than natural gas heating? Electric heat pumps can me more efficient than \"1\" when heating a house.  Is heat pump heating, energetically speaking, also more efficient than a modern natural natural gas heating system, if the same natural gas would be used in a utility-run bug gas-fueled electricity plant?  If so, why is running an electric heat pump still more expensive, watt-for-watt than using has heating?  (I'm thinking about Germany in particular, but everyone I know says that electric heat pump heating is more expensive than gas burning)","c_root_id_A":"ikjq9sy","c_root_id_B":"ikkexk2","created_at_utc_A":1660672036,"created_at_utc_B":1660681461,"score_A":3,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Heat pumps are more efficient (in terms of energy in vs energy out) than gas furnaces *at certain temperatures.* At lower temperatures (and it's different for every heat pump), efficiency drops off dramatically.  You don't see heat pumps being used to generate electricity because while they produce *heat*, they don't produce the *temperatures* it takes to drive the turbines.  And as others have pointed out, just because a heat pump is more efficient than gas doesn't necessarily mean it's less expensive to operate. In many areas, gas is cheaper than a heat pump on a BTU-to-BTU basis.","human_ref_B":"There's a whooooooole lot of factors that go into this.  For gas heating you're about 90-96% efficient on converting fuel to heat. Meanwhile, a heat pump can be anywhere from 150% to 300%? (I'm not exactly sure where the limit is anymore, the technology is improving rapidly) efficient.  The hiccup in the entire thing is the fact that on a cost-per-unit of equivalent energy basis, gas gets you about 60% more fuel per dollar than electricity (varies heavily based on location, this is what it works out to in my region).  So, most of the time, it's more efficient to use a heat pump. There is a real crossover point though where either the heat pump becomes less efficient on a cost basis, or the heat pump isn't capable of putting out enough heat due to outdoor temps becoming too cold for it to operate at a reasonable point on its efficiency curve.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9425.0,"score_ratio":2.3333333333}
{"post_id":"wpzibh","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Is heat pump heating more efficient than natural gas heating? Electric heat pumps can me more efficient than \"1\" when heating a house.  Is heat pump heating, energetically speaking, also more efficient than a modern natural natural gas heating system, if the same natural gas would be used in a utility-run bug gas-fueled electricity plant?  If so, why is running an electric heat pump still more expensive, watt-for-watt than using has heating?  (I'm thinking about Germany in particular, but everyone I know says that electric heat pump heating is more expensive than gas burning)","c_root_id_A":"ikkexk2","c_root_id_B":"ikk3nfr","created_at_utc_A":1660681461,"created_at_utc_B":1660677098,"score_A":7,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"There's a whooooooole lot of factors that go into this.  For gas heating you're about 90-96% efficient on converting fuel to heat. Meanwhile, a heat pump can be anywhere from 150% to 300%? (I'm not exactly sure where the limit is anymore, the technology is improving rapidly) efficient.  The hiccup in the entire thing is the fact that on a cost-per-unit of equivalent energy basis, gas gets you about 60% more fuel per dollar than electricity (varies heavily based on location, this is what it works out to in my region).  So, most of the time, it's more efficient to use a heat pump. There is a real crossover point though where either the heat pump becomes less efficient on a cost basis, or the heat pump isn't capable of putting out enough heat due to outdoor temps becoming too cold for it to operate at a reasonable point on its efficiency curve.","human_ref_B":"Don't have much experience so I only can speak in theories... Assuming gas fired power-plat having 45% and COP 4 for heat pump... It generates about 180% of heat compared to basic gas burning heater...  But COP of heat pump will drop in low ambient  temperatures and not everything is ideal, so the difference may be less... But i think heat pump is still better  Correct me if i'm wrong","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4363.0,"score_ratio":1.75}
{"post_id":"wpzibh","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Is heat pump heating more efficient than natural gas heating? Electric heat pumps can me more efficient than \"1\" when heating a house.  Is heat pump heating, energetically speaking, also more efficient than a modern natural natural gas heating system, if the same natural gas would be used in a utility-run bug gas-fueled electricity plant?  If so, why is running an electric heat pump still more expensive, watt-for-watt than using has heating?  (I'm thinking about Germany in particular, but everyone I know says that electric heat pump heating is more expensive than gas burning)","c_root_id_A":"ikkexk2","c_root_id_B":"ikkafuj","created_at_utc_A":1660681461,"created_at_utc_B":1660679698,"score_A":7,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"There's a whooooooole lot of factors that go into this.  For gas heating you're about 90-96% efficient on converting fuel to heat. Meanwhile, a heat pump can be anywhere from 150% to 300%? (I'm not exactly sure where the limit is anymore, the technology is improving rapidly) efficient.  The hiccup in the entire thing is the fact that on a cost-per-unit of equivalent energy basis, gas gets you about 60% more fuel per dollar than electricity (varies heavily based on location, this is what it works out to in my region).  So, most of the time, it's more efficient to use a heat pump. There is a real crossover point though where either the heat pump becomes less efficient on a cost basis, or the heat pump isn't capable of putting out enough heat due to outdoor temps becoming too cold for it to operate at a reasonable point on its efficiency curve.","human_ref_B":">If so, why is running an electric heat pump still more expensive, watt-for-watt than using has heating  I'm guessing this is based on in use data. Heat pumps do not work below a certain temperature and will back up to electric heat. So on the really cold days the unit will not be more cost efficient than gas.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1763.0,"score_ratio":3.5}
{"post_id":"wpzibh","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Is heat pump heating more efficient than natural gas heating? Electric heat pumps can me more efficient than \"1\" when heating a house.  Is heat pump heating, energetically speaking, also more efficient than a modern natural natural gas heating system, if the same natural gas would be used in a utility-run bug gas-fueled electricity plant?  If so, why is running an electric heat pump still more expensive, watt-for-watt than using has heating?  (I'm thinking about Germany in particular, but everyone I know says that electric heat pump heating is more expensive than gas burning)","c_root_id_A":"ikjq9sy","c_root_id_B":"ikmq99g","created_at_utc_A":1660672036,"created_at_utc_B":1660724049,"score_A":3,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Heat pumps are more efficient (in terms of energy in vs energy out) than gas furnaces *at certain temperatures.* At lower temperatures (and it's different for every heat pump), efficiency drops off dramatically.  You don't see heat pumps being used to generate electricity because while they produce *heat*, they don't produce the *temperatures* it takes to drive the turbines.  And as others have pointed out, just because a heat pump is more efficient than gas doesn't necessarily mean it's less expensive to operate. In many areas, gas is cheaper than a heat pump on a BTU-to-BTU basis.","human_ref_B":"Gas power station (CCGT) efficiency = 60%  Domestic gas boiler efficiency = 95%   ASHP efficiency = 300%  1kWh gas -> CCGT -> ASHP = 1.8x gas kWh to heat delivered  1kWh gas -> domestic gas boiler -> 0.95x gas kWh to heat delivered  So it is in the order of twice as efficient. If you have an electricity grid which uses a multitude of sources then the proportion of gas used goes down (ideally renewables, but may need coal to the electricity). In the UK, a kWh electricity is already less carbon intensive than a kWh of gas, and by using a heat pump it is a third less again.  As others have mentioned, cost wise, gas boiler is cheaper, but that could be changed with a carbon tax.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":52013.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"wpzibh","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Is heat pump heating more efficient than natural gas heating? Electric heat pumps can me more efficient than \"1\" when heating a house.  Is heat pump heating, energetically speaking, also more efficient than a modern natural natural gas heating system, if the same natural gas would be used in a utility-run bug gas-fueled electricity plant?  If so, why is running an electric heat pump still more expensive, watt-for-watt than using has heating?  (I'm thinking about Germany in particular, but everyone I know says that electric heat pump heating is more expensive than gas burning)","c_root_id_A":"ikk3nfr","c_root_id_B":"ikmq99g","created_at_utc_A":1660677098,"created_at_utc_B":1660724049,"score_A":4,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Don't have much experience so I only can speak in theories... Assuming gas fired power-plat having 45% and COP 4 for heat pump... It generates about 180% of heat compared to basic gas burning heater...  But COP of heat pump will drop in low ambient  temperatures and not everything is ideal, so the difference may be less... But i think heat pump is still better  Correct me if i'm wrong","human_ref_B":"Gas power station (CCGT) efficiency = 60%  Domestic gas boiler efficiency = 95%   ASHP efficiency = 300%  1kWh gas -> CCGT -> ASHP = 1.8x gas kWh to heat delivered  1kWh gas -> domestic gas boiler -> 0.95x gas kWh to heat delivered  So it is in the order of twice as efficient. If you have an electricity grid which uses a multitude of sources then the proportion of gas used goes down (ideally renewables, but may need coal to the electricity). In the UK, a kWh electricity is already less carbon intensive than a kWh of gas, and by using a heat pump it is a third less again.  As others have mentioned, cost wise, gas boiler is cheaper, but that could be changed with a carbon tax.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":46951.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"wpzibh","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Is heat pump heating more efficient than natural gas heating? Electric heat pumps can me more efficient than \"1\" when heating a house.  Is heat pump heating, energetically speaking, also more efficient than a modern natural natural gas heating system, if the same natural gas would be used in a utility-run bug gas-fueled electricity plant?  If so, why is running an electric heat pump still more expensive, watt-for-watt than using has heating?  (I'm thinking about Germany in particular, but everyone I know says that electric heat pump heating is more expensive than gas burning)","c_root_id_A":"ikki635","c_root_id_B":"ikmq99g","created_at_utc_A":1660682741,"created_at_utc_B":1660724049,"score_A":3,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"This may be of interest:  Technology Connections - Why Heat Pumps are Immensely Important Right Now","human_ref_B":"Gas power station (CCGT) efficiency = 60%  Domestic gas boiler efficiency = 95%   ASHP efficiency = 300%  1kWh gas -> CCGT -> ASHP = 1.8x gas kWh to heat delivered  1kWh gas -> domestic gas boiler -> 0.95x gas kWh to heat delivered  So it is in the order of twice as efficient. If you have an electricity grid which uses a multitude of sources then the proportion of gas used goes down (ideally renewables, but may need coal to the electricity). In the UK, a kWh electricity is already less carbon intensive than a kWh of gas, and by using a heat pump it is a third less again.  As others have mentioned, cost wise, gas boiler is cheaper, but that could be changed with a carbon tax.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":41308.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"wpzibh","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Is heat pump heating more efficient than natural gas heating? Electric heat pumps can me more efficient than \"1\" when heating a house.  Is heat pump heating, energetically speaking, also more efficient than a modern natural natural gas heating system, if the same natural gas would be used in a utility-run bug gas-fueled electricity plant?  If so, why is running an electric heat pump still more expensive, watt-for-watt than using has heating?  (I'm thinking about Germany in particular, but everyone I know says that electric heat pump heating is more expensive than gas burning)","c_root_id_A":"ikklwym","c_root_id_B":"ikmq99g","created_at_utc_A":1660684224,"created_at_utc_B":1660724049,"score_A":3,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Of course it's more efficient watt-for-watt. The question is how much does electricity cost and how much does natural gas cost. Here in California, electricity is very expensive, sometimes more expensive than Germany, and gas is pretty cheap, so a typical modern gas-fired furnace is cheaper to operate than a heat pump.","human_ref_B":"Gas power station (CCGT) efficiency = 60%  Domestic gas boiler efficiency = 95%   ASHP efficiency = 300%  1kWh gas -> CCGT -> ASHP = 1.8x gas kWh to heat delivered  1kWh gas -> domestic gas boiler -> 0.95x gas kWh to heat delivered  So it is in the order of twice as efficient. If you have an electricity grid which uses a multitude of sources then the proportion of gas used goes down (ideally renewables, but may need coal to the electricity). In the UK, a kWh electricity is already less carbon intensive than a kWh of gas, and by using a heat pump it is a third less again.  As others have mentioned, cost wise, gas boiler is cheaper, but that could be changed with a carbon tax.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":39825.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"wpzibh","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Is heat pump heating more efficient than natural gas heating? Electric heat pumps can me more efficient than \"1\" when heating a house.  Is heat pump heating, energetically speaking, also more efficient than a modern natural natural gas heating system, if the same natural gas would be used in a utility-run bug gas-fueled electricity plant?  If so, why is running an electric heat pump still more expensive, watt-for-watt than using has heating?  (I'm thinking about Germany in particular, but everyone I know says that electric heat pump heating is more expensive than gas burning)","c_root_id_A":"ikl7fzu","c_root_id_B":"ikmq99g","created_at_utc_A":1660693381,"created_at_utc_B":1660724049,"score_A":3,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Anyone here please challenge my thinking here:  HSPF number on a Heat Pump is supposed to give you a seasonal estimation of cost it will take to run the heat pump in Climate Region 4. Which has few hours in 5F more in 17F etc..  This is a good approximation of average COP you can get out of the unit over a season. (Since COP changes depending on outdoor temperate).  1 HSPF is estimated to be 0.293 COP; so to get your average COP you just multiply HSPF number by 0.293 to get average COP for the season.  Now you can use this to calculate your \"break-even\" on heat pump vs gas.  So for my area in Northern California using PG&E for gas and electric:  **1 Therm = $2.50 f**or winter (estimated 2022)  average cost for **1 kWh** in Winter **= $0.30** (based on TIOU rates published on 2022)  1 Therm = 29.3kWh  so if I take (29.3kWh \\* $0.30) \/ (1Therm \\* $2.50) = 3.5 avg COP required.  3.5\\*0.293 => 12 HSPF  **Break-even HSPF for me =  12**","human_ref_B":"Gas power station (CCGT) efficiency = 60%  Domestic gas boiler efficiency = 95%   ASHP efficiency = 300%  1kWh gas -> CCGT -> ASHP = 1.8x gas kWh to heat delivered  1kWh gas -> domestic gas boiler -> 0.95x gas kWh to heat delivered  So it is in the order of twice as efficient. If you have an electricity grid which uses a multitude of sources then the proportion of gas used goes down (ideally renewables, but may need coal to the electricity). In the UK, a kWh electricity is already less carbon intensive than a kWh of gas, and by using a heat pump it is a third less again.  As others have mentioned, cost wise, gas boiler is cheaper, but that could be changed with a carbon tax.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":30668.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"wpzibh","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Is heat pump heating more efficient than natural gas heating? Electric heat pumps can me more efficient than \"1\" when heating a house.  Is heat pump heating, energetically speaking, also more efficient than a modern natural natural gas heating system, if the same natural gas would be used in a utility-run bug gas-fueled electricity plant?  If so, why is running an electric heat pump still more expensive, watt-for-watt than using has heating?  (I'm thinking about Germany in particular, but everyone I know says that electric heat pump heating is more expensive than gas burning)","c_root_id_A":"ikmq99g","c_root_id_B":"iklcc2u","created_at_utc_A":1660724049,"created_at_utc_B":1660695554,"score_A":6,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Gas power station (CCGT) efficiency = 60%  Domestic gas boiler efficiency = 95%   ASHP efficiency = 300%  1kWh gas -> CCGT -> ASHP = 1.8x gas kWh to heat delivered  1kWh gas -> domestic gas boiler -> 0.95x gas kWh to heat delivered  So it is in the order of twice as efficient. If you have an electricity grid which uses a multitude of sources then the proportion of gas used goes down (ideally renewables, but may need coal to the electricity). In the UK, a kWh electricity is already less carbon intensive than a kWh of gas, and by using a heat pump it is a third less again.  As others have mentioned, cost wise, gas boiler is cheaper, but that could be changed with a carbon tax.","human_ref_B":"Surprised at the people saying natural gas is so much cheaper than electricity.  Historically this is the case, though not to the level some of you may think. Lately with the war in Ukraine gas prices have gone up anywhere from 3x - 5x their historic rates. A month ago we were paying $9+ per dth for natural gas. The only reason the price went down is because there was a fire at a terminal in Louisiana that took 2-3 BILLION cf of natural gas out of the export lane and allowed the US to build back up reserves for the heating season. By contrast most of Europe has been paying $30-$45 per dth for natural gas. This is why the corporations have been filling every bulk cargo container they can find with NG and sending it to Europe, driving up our prices.  Electricity prices usually track NG prices because of NG fired plants, but with so much nuclear already and other renewable energy sources coming on line and in the works the price to generate electricity is getting cheaper. Notice I said the price of generation (what the utilities are paying to generate the power). Prices are still set by commodity markets and utilities are mostly monopolies or near monopolies who will bribe their way to more fees etc., but overall electricity is becoming cheaper than NG and eventually with renewables and advances in battery storage those prices will Come down even further.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":28495.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"wpzibh","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Is heat pump heating more efficient than natural gas heating? Electric heat pumps can me more efficient than \"1\" when heating a house.  Is heat pump heating, energetically speaking, also more efficient than a modern natural natural gas heating system, if the same natural gas would be used in a utility-run bug gas-fueled electricity plant?  If so, why is running an electric heat pump still more expensive, watt-for-watt than using has heating?  (I'm thinking about Germany in particular, but everyone I know says that electric heat pump heating is more expensive than gas burning)","c_root_id_A":"ikkafuj","c_root_id_B":"ikmq99g","created_at_utc_A":1660679698,"created_at_utc_B":1660724049,"score_A":2,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":">If so, why is running an electric heat pump still more expensive, watt-for-watt than using has heating  I'm guessing this is based on in use data. Heat pumps do not work below a certain temperature and will back up to electric heat. So on the really cold days the unit will not be more cost efficient than gas.","human_ref_B":"Gas power station (CCGT) efficiency = 60%  Domestic gas boiler efficiency = 95%   ASHP efficiency = 300%  1kWh gas -> CCGT -> ASHP = 1.8x gas kWh to heat delivered  1kWh gas -> domestic gas boiler -> 0.95x gas kWh to heat delivered  So it is in the order of twice as efficient. If you have an electricity grid which uses a multitude of sources then the proportion of gas used goes down (ideally renewables, but may need coal to the electricity). In the UK, a kWh electricity is already less carbon intensive than a kWh of gas, and by using a heat pump it is a third less again.  As others have mentioned, cost wise, gas boiler is cheaper, but that could be changed with a carbon tax.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":44351.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"wpzibh","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Is heat pump heating more efficient than natural gas heating? Electric heat pumps can me more efficient than \"1\" when heating a house.  Is heat pump heating, energetically speaking, also more efficient than a modern natural natural gas heating system, if the same natural gas would be used in a utility-run bug gas-fueled electricity plant?  If so, why is running an electric heat pump still more expensive, watt-for-watt than using has heating?  (I'm thinking about Germany in particular, but everyone I know says that electric heat pump heating is more expensive than gas burning)","c_root_id_A":"ikki2ba","c_root_id_B":"ikmq99g","created_at_utc_A":1660682699,"created_at_utc_B":1660724049,"score_A":2,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Example:  Wholesale gas costs \u20ac0.30 per cubic meter. Power plant operates at 50% efficiency. Heat pump operates at a COP of 3.0 Energy content of gas is 10 kWh\/m^3 Retail electricity delivery costs an extra \u20ac0.15\/kWh Retail gas delivery costs an extra \u20ac0.20\/m^3  Gas heat: (\u20ac0.3 + \u20ac0.2) \/ 10 = \u20ac0.05\/kWh of heat  Heat pump: ((\u20ac0.3 \/ 50%) \/ 10 + \u20ac0.15) \/ 3.0 = \u20ac0.07\/kWh of heat","human_ref_B":"Gas power station (CCGT) efficiency = 60%  Domestic gas boiler efficiency = 95%   ASHP efficiency = 300%  1kWh gas -> CCGT -> ASHP = 1.8x gas kWh to heat delivered  1kWh gas -> domestic gas boiler -> 0.95x gas kWh to heat delivered  So it is in the order of twice as efficient. If you have an electricity grid which uses a multitude of sources then the proportion of gas used goes down (ideally renewables, but may need coal to the electricity). In the UK, a kWh electricity is already less carbon intensive than a kWh of gas, and by using a heat pump it is a third less again.  As others have mentioned, cost wise, gas boiler is cheaper, but that could be changed with a carbon tax.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":41350.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"wpzibh","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Is heat pump heating more efficient than natural gas heating? Electric heat pumps can me more efficient than \"1\" when heating a house.  Is heat pump heating, energetically speaking, also more efficient than a modern natural natural gas heating system, if the same natural gas would be used in a utility-run bug gas-fueled electricity plant?  If so, why is running an electric heat pump still more expensive, watt-for-watt than using has heating?  (I'm thinking about Germany in particular, but everyone I know says that electric heat pump heating is more expensive than gas burning)","c_root_id_A":"iklc5hw","c_root_id_B":"ikmq99g","created_at_utc_A":1660695475,"created_at_utc_B":1660724049,"score_A":2,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"More efficient, yes.  Cheaper, not always.  Even though (newer) heat pumps are objectively more efficient through a wide temperature range, natural gas costs in your area may make it so that it is cheaper to run your gas furnace than to get all your heating from a heat pump.  You need to do the math, and possibly run a test with your equipment to find the most economical option for your specific situation.   If you have an older heat pump, and live somewhere with really cheap natural gas, then it becomes even more likely that gas heating will be cheaper.  You have to decide if personal ecomonic savings, or doing what is objectively best for the planet, is the goal you are pursuing.  Personally, I live in a 55 year old house with a furnace installed in 1990, and a 5 ton a\/c unit that was replaced in 2018 under the home warranty (btw, home warranties are a scam, never pay for one) that came with my house, and upgrading to a heat pump was not an option that the home warranty contractor was able to provide, even if I paid the difference.   So I make do with (really inefficient) gas heat for all 8 days of the year that I need it. I'm not going to spend $12k to upgrade to a heat pump, it will never pay for itself.  If it freezes in Texas, the power grid fails anyway, so having a gas heating backup is a better option.","human_ref_B":"Gas power station (CCGT) efficiency = 60%  Domestic gas boiler efficiency = 95%   ASHP efficiency = 300%  1kWh gas -> CCGT -> ASHP = 1.8x gas kWh to heat delivered  1kWh gas -> domestic gas boiler -> 0.95x gas kWh to heat delivered  So it is in the order of twice as efficient. If you have an electricity grid which uses a multitude of sources then the proportion of gas used goes down (ideally renewables, but may need coal to the electricity). In the UK, a kWh electricity is already less carbon intensive than a kWh of gas, and by using a heat pump it is a third less again.  As others have mentioned, cost wise, gas boiler is cheaper, but that could be changed with a carbon tax.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":28574.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"wpzibh","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Is heat pump heating more efficient than natural gas heating? Electric heat pumps can me more efficient than \"1\" when heating a house.  Is heat pump heating, energetically speaking, also more efficient than a modern natural natural gas heating system, if the same natural gas would be used in a utility-run bug gas-fueled electricity plant?  If so, why is running an electric heat pump still more expensive, watt-for-watt than using has heating?  (I'm thinking about Germany in particular, but everyone I know says that electric heat pump heating is more expensive than gas burning)","c_root_id_A":"iklmgbr","c_root_id_B":"ikmq99g","created_at_utc_A":1660700036,"created_at_utc_B":1660724049,"score_A":2,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Yes, their efficiency is often over 2.5 and on good days (so, the days where it doesn't make much sense to run them instead of just wearing a sweater, but i digress) it can reach and exceed 4. Even when taking that 2.5 figure, it's still more efficient to burn the gas at a natural gas turbine power plant, deal with transmission losses, and have you use it to move heat, than use a gas burning furnace.","human_ref_B":"Gas power station (CCGT) efficiency = 60%  Domestic gas boiler efficiency = 95%   ASHP efficiency = 300%  1kWh gas -> CCGT -> ASHP = 1.8x gas kWh to heat delivered  1kWh gas -> domestic gas boiler -> 0.95x gas kWh to heat delivered  So it is in the order of twice as efficient. If you have an electricity grid which uses a multitude of sources then the proportion of gas used goes down (ideally renewables, but may need coal to the electricity). In the UK, a kWh electricity is already less carbon intensive than a kWh of gas, and by using a heat pump it is a third less again.  As others have mentioned, cost wise, gas boiler is cheaper, but that could be changed with a carbon tax.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":24013.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"wpzibh","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Is heat pump heating more efficient than natural gas heating? Electric heat pumps can me more efficient than \"1\" when heating a house.  Is heat pump heating, energetically speaking, also more efficient than a modern natural natural gas heating system, if the same natural gas would be used in a utility-run bug gas-fueled electricity plant?  If so, why is running an electric heat pump still more expensive, watt-for-watt than using has heating?  (I'm thinking about Germany in particular, but everyone I know says that electric heat pump heating is more expensive than gas burning)","c_root_id_A":"iklo8hh","c_root_id_B":"ikmq99g","created_at_utc_A":1660700825,"created_at_utc_B":1660724049,"score_A":2,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"I agree with all efficiency comments. I just want to add to the discussion of cost   I've had propane, oil, natural gas, and finally a cold climate heat pump system in the various houses I've lived in. They all got the job done. In terms of utility cost, in my location, propane is by far the most expensive followed by oil, then heat pump, and finally natural gas as the cheapest. The final running cost between propane and oil might be a tossup since propane is a cleaner fuel which results in less maintenance.   The house I currently live in does not have access to natural gas. It had an oil furnace that I replaced with a Mitsubishi heat pump and later installed a Blaze King wood stove. The first few years I was here oil was $2.00-2.50 a gallon and heating costs were about $1500 per year. The first heating season I had with the heat pump cost me around $950. Last year oil was over $5 a gallon. I was ecstatic that I got rid of the oil furnace.   By supplementing heat with the wood stove I heated my house at a total cost of ~$400 last year. So far I've been lucky enough to scrounge up enough wood to build a 2 year stockpile. I've been getting firewood for free when utilities cut along the right of ways and when neighbors cut trees down. I figure that's the most environmentally sound way of heating a house. It's also a good workout.","human_ref_B":"Gas power station (CCGT) efficiency = 60%  Domestic gas boiler efficiency = 95%   ASHP efficiency = 300%  1kWh gas -> CCGT -> ASHP = 1.8x gas kWh to heat delivered  1kWh gas -> domestic gas boiler -> 0.95x gas kWh to heat delivered  So it is in the order of twice as efficient. If you have an electricity grid which uses a multitude of sources then the proportion of gas used goes down (ideally renewables, but may need coal to the electricity). In the UK, a kWh electricity is already less carbon intensive than a kWh of gas, and by using a heat pump it is a third less again.  As others have mentioned, cost wise, gas boiler is cheaper, but that could be changed with a carbon tax.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":23224.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"wpzibh","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Is heat pump heating more efficient than natural gas heating? Electric heat pumps can me more efficient than \"1\" when heating a house.  Is heat pump heating, energetically speaking, also more efficient than a modern natural natural gas heating system, if the same natural gas would be used in a utility-run bug gas-fueled electricity plant?  If so, why is running an electric heat pump still more expensive, watt-for-watt than using has heating?  (I'm thinking about Germany in particular, but everyone I know says that electric heat pump heating is more expensive than gas burning)","c_root_id_A":"ikk3nfr","c_root_id_B":"ikjq9sy","created_at_utc_A":1660677098,"created_at_utc_B":1660672036,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Don't have much experience so I only can speak in theories... Assuming gas fired power-plat having 45% and COP 4 for heat pump... It generates about 180% of heat compared to basic gas burning heater...  But COP of heat pump will drop in low ambient  temperatures and not everything is ideal, so the difference may be less... But i think heat pump is still better  Correct me if i'm wrong","human_ref_B":"Heat pumps are more efficient (in terms of energy in vs energy out) than gas furnaces *at certain temperatures.* At lower temperatures (and it's different for every heat pump), efficiency drops off dramatically.  You don't see heat pumps being used to generate electricity because while they produce *heat*, they don't produce the *temperatures* it takes to drive the turbines.  And as others have pointed out, just because a heat pump is more efficient than gas doesn't necessarily mean it's less expensive to operate. In many areas, gas is cheaper than a heat pump on a BTU-to-BTU basis.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5062.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"wpzibh","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Is heat pump heating more efficient than natural gas heating? Electric heat pumps can me more efficient than \"1\" when heating a house.  Is heat pump heating, energetically speaking, also more efficient than a modern natural natural gas heating system, if the same natural gas would be used in a utility-run bug gas-fueled electricity plant?  If so, why is running an electric heat pump still more expensive, watt-for-watt than using has heating?  (I'm thinking about Germany in particular, but everyone I know says that electric heat pump heating is more expensive than gas burning)","c_root_id_A":"ikki635","c_root_id_B":"ikkafuj","created_at_utc_A":1660682741,"created_at_utc_B":1660679698,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"This may be of interest:  Technology Connections - Why Heat Pumps are Immensely Important Right Now","human_ref_B":">If so, why is running an electric heat pump still more expensive, watt-for-watt than using has heating  I'm guessing this is based on in use data. Heat pumps do not work below a certain temperature and will back up to electric heat. So on the really cold days the unit will not be more cost efficient than gas.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3043.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"wpzibh","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Is heat pump heating more efficient than natural gas heating? Electric heat pumps can me more efficient than \"1\" when heating a house.  Is heat pump heating, energetically speaking, also more efficient than a modern natural natural gas heating system, if the same natural gas would be used in a utility-run bug gas-fueled electricity plant?  If so, why is running an electric heat pump still more expensive, watt-for-watt than using has heating?  (I'm thinking about Germany in particular, but everyone I know says that electric heat pump heating is more expensive than gas burning)","c_root_id_A":"ikki635","c_root_id_B":"ikki2ba","created_at_utc_A":1660682741,"created_at_utc_B":1660682699,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"This may be of interest:  Technology Connections - Why Heat Pumps are Immensely Important Right Now","human_ref_B":"Example:  Wholesale gas costs \u20ac0.30 per cubic meter. Power plant operates at 50% efficiency. Heat pump operates at a COP of 3.0 Energy content of gas is 10 kWh\/m^3 Retail electricity delivery costs an extra \u20ac0.15\/kWh Retail gas delivery costs an extra \u20ac0.20\/m^3  Gas heat: (\u20ac0.3 + \u20ac0.2) \/ 10 = \u20ac0.05\/kWh of heat  Heat pump: ((\u20ac0.3 \/ 50%) \/ 10 + \u20ac0.15) \/ 3.0 = \u20ac0.07\/kWh of heat","labels":1,"seconds_difference":42.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"wpzibh","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Is heat pump heating more efficient than natural gas heating? Electric heat pumps can me more efficient than \"1\" when heating a house.  Is heat pump heating, energetically speaking, also more efficient than a modern natural natural gas heating system, if the same natural gas would be used in a utility-run bug gas-fueled electricity plant?  If so, why is running an electric heat pump still more expensive, watt-for-watt than using has heating?  (I'm thinking about Germany in particular, but everyone I know says that electric heat pump heating is more expensive than gas burning)","c_root_id_A":"ikklwym","c_root_id_B":"ikkafuj","created_at_utc_A":1660684224,"created_at_utc_B":1660679698,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Of course it's more efficient watt-for-watt. The question is how much does electricity cost and how much does natural gas cost. Here in California, electricity is very expensive, sometimes more expensive than Germany, and gas is pretty cheap, so a typical modern gas-fired furnace is cheaper to operate than a heat pump.","human_ref_B":">If so, why is running an electric heat pump still more expensive, watt-for-watt than using has heating  I'm guessing this is based on in use data. Heat pumps do not work below a certain temperature and will back up to electric heat. So on the really cold days the unit will not be more cost efficient than gas.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4526.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"wpzibh","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Is heat pump heating more efficient than natural gas heating? Electric heat pumps can me more efficient than \"1\" when heating a house.  Is heat pump heating, energetically speaking, also more efficient than a modern natural natural gas heating system, if the same natural gas would be used in a utility-run bug gas-fueled electricity plant?  If so, why is running an electric heat pump still more expensive, watt-for-watt than using has heating?  (I'm thinking about Germany in particular, but everyone I know says that electric heat pump heating is more expensive than gas burning)","c_root_id_A":"ikki2ba","c_root_id_B":"ikklwym","created_at_utc_A":1660682699,"created_at_utc_B":1660684224,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Example:  Wholesale gas costs \u20ac0.30 per cubic meter. Power plant operates at 50% efficiency. Heat pump operates at a COP of 3.0 Energy content of gas is 10 kWh\/m^3 Retail electricity delivery costs an extra \u20ac0.15\/kWh Retail gas delivery costs an extra \u20ac0.20\/m^3  Gas heat: (\u20ac0.3 + \u20ac0.2) \/ 10 = \u20ac0.05\/kWh of heat  Heat pump: ((\u20ac0.3 \/ 50%) \/ 10 + \u20ac0.15) \/ 3.0 = \u20ac0.07\/kWh of heat","human_ref_B":"Of course it's more efficient watt-for-watt. The question is how much does electricity cost and how much does natural gas cost. Here in California, electricity is very expensive, sometimes more expensive than Germany, and gas is pretty cheap, so a typical modern gas-fired furnace is cheaper to operate than a heat pump.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1525.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"wpzibh","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Is heat pump heating more efficient than natural gas heating? Electric heat pumps can me more efficient than \"1\" when heating a house.  Is heat pump heating, energetically speaking, also more efficient than a modern natural natural gas heating system, if the same natural gas would be used in a utility-run bug gas-fueled electricity plant?  If so, why is running an electric heat pump still more expensive, watt-for-watt than using has heating?  (I'm thinking about Germany in particular, but everyone I know says that electric heat pump heating is more expensive than gas burning)","c_root_id_A":"ikl7fzu","c_root_id_B":"ikkafuj","created_at_utc_A":1660693381,"created_at_utc_B":1660679698,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Anyone here please challenge my thinking here:  HSPF number on a Heat Pump is supposed to give you a seasonal estimation of cost it will take to run the heat pump in Climate Region 4. Which has few hours in 5F more in 17F etc..  This is a good approximation of average COP you can get out of the unit over a season. (Since COP changes depending on outdoor temperate).  1 HSPF is estimated to be 0.293 COP; so to get your average COP you just multiply HSPF number by 0.293 to get average COP for the season.  Now you can use this to calculate your \"break-even\" on heat pump vs gas.  So for my area in Northern California using PG&E for gas and electric:  **1 Therm = $2.50 f**or winter (estimated 2022)  average cost for **1 kWh** in Winter **= $0.30** (based on TIOU rates published on 2022)  1 Therm = 29.3kWh  so if I take (29.3kWh \\* $0.30) \/ (1Therm \\* $2.50) = 3.5 avg COP required.  3.5\\*0.293 => 12 HSPF  **Break-even HSPF for me =  12**","human_ref_B":">If so, why is running an electric heat pump still more expensive, watt-for-watt than using has heating  I'm guessing this is based on in use data. Heat pumps do not work below a certain temperature and will back up to electric heat. So on the really cold days the unit will not be more cost efficient than gas.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":13683.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"wpzibh","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Is heat pump heating more efficient than natural gas heating? Electric heat pumps can me more efficient than \"1\" when heating a house.  Is heat pump heating, energetically speaking, also more efficient than a modern natural natural gas heating system, if the same natural gas would be used in a utility-run bug gas-fueled electricity plant?  If so, why is running an electric heat pump still more expensive, watt-for-watt than using has heating?  (I'm thinking about Germany in particular, but everyone I know says that electric heat pump heating is more expensive than gas burning)","c_root_id_A":"ikl7fzu","c_root_id_B":"ikki2ba","created_at_utc_A":1660693381,"created_at_utc_B":1660682699,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Anyone here please challenge my thinking here:  HSPF number on a Heat Pump is supposed to give you a seasonal estimation of cost it will take to run the heat pump in Climate Region 4. Which has few hours in 5F more in 17F etc..  This is a good approximation of average COP you can get out of the unit over a season. (Since COP changes depending on outdoor temperate).  1 HSPF is estimated to be 0.293 COP; so to get your average COP you just multiply HSPF number by 0.293 to get average COP for the season.  Now you can use this to calculate your \"break-even\" on heat pump vs gas.  So for my area in Northern California using PG&E for gas and electric:  **1 Therm = $2.50 f**or winter (estimated 2022)  average cost for **1 kWh** in Winter **= $0.30** (based on TIOU rates published on 2022)  1 Therm = 29.3kWh  so if I take (29.3kWh \\* $0.30) \/ (1Therm \\* $2.50) = 3.5 avg COP required.  3.5\\*0.293 => 12 HSPF  **Break-even HSPF for me =  12**","human_ref_B":"Example:  Wholesale gas costs \u20ac0.30 per cubic meter. Power plant operates at 50% efficiency. Heat pump operates at a COP of 3.0 Energy content of gas is 10 kWh\/m^3 Retail electricity delivery costs an extra \u20ac0.15\/kWh Retail gas delivery costs an extra \u20ac0.20\/m^3  Gas heat: (\u20ac0.3 + \u20ac0.2) \/ 10 = \u20ac0.05\/kWh of heat  Heat pump: ((\u20ac0.3 \/ 50%) \/ 10 + \u20ac0.15) \/ 3.0 = \u20ac0.07\/kWh of heat","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10682.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"wpzibh","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Is heat pump heating more efficient than natural gas heating? Electric heat pumps can me more efficient than \"1\" when heating a house.  Is heat pump heating, energetically speaking, also more efficient than a modern natural natural gas heating system, if the same natural gas would be used in a utility-run bug gas-fueled electricity plant?  If so, why is running an electric heat pump still more expensive, watt-for-watt than using has heating?  (I'm thinking about Germany in particular, but everyone I know says that electric heat pump heating is more expensive than gas burning)","c_root_id_A":"iklcc2u","c_root_id_B":"ikkafuj","created_at_utc_A":1660695554,"created_at_utc_B":1660679698,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Surprised at the people saying natural gas is so much cheaper than electricity.  Historically this is the case, though not to the level some of you may think. Lately with the war in Ukraine gas prices have gone up anywhere from 3x - 5x their historic rates. A month ago we were paying $9+ per dth for natural gas. The only reason the price went down is because there was a fire at a terminal in Louisiana that took 2-3 BILLION cf of natural gas out of the export lane and allowed the US to build back up reserves for the heating season. By contrast most of Europe has been paying $30-$45 per dth for natural gas. This is why the corporations have been filling every bulk cargo container they can find with NG and sending it to Europe, driving up our prices.  Electricity prices usually track NG prices because of NG fired plants, but with so much nuclear already and other renewable energy sources coming on line and in the works the price to generate electricity is getting cheaper. Notice I said the price of generation (what the utilities are paying to generate the power). Prices are still set by commodity markets and utilities are mostly monopolies or near monopolies who will bribe their way to more fees etc., but overall electricity is becoming cheaper than NG and eventually with renewables and advances in battery storage those prices will Come down even further.","human_ref_B":">If so, why is running an electric heat pump still more expensive, watt-for-watt than using has heating  I'm guessing this is based on in use data. Heat pumps do not work below a certain temperature and will back up to electric heat. So on the really cold days the unit will not be more cost efficient than gas.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":15856.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"wpzibh","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Is heat pump heating more efficient than natural gas heating? Electric heat pumps can me more efficient than \"1\" when heating a house.  Is heat pump heating, energetically speaking, also more efficient than a modern natural natural gas heating system, if the same natural gas would be used in a utility-run bug gas-fueled electricity plant?  If so, why is running an electric heat pump still more expensive, watt-for-watt than using has heating?  (I'm thinking about Germany in particular, but everyone I know says that electric heat pump heating is more expensive than gas burning)","c_root_id_A":"ikki2ba","c_root_id_B":"iklcc2u","created_at_utc_A":1660682699,"created_at_utc_B":1660695554,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Example:  Wholesale gas costs \u20ac0.30 per cubic meter. Power plant operates at 50% efficiency. Heat pump operates at a COP of 3.0 Energy content of gas is 10 kWh\/m^3 Retail electricity delivery costs an extra \u20ac0.15\/kWh Retail gas delivery costs an extra \u20ac0.20\/m^3  Gas heat: (\u20ac0.3 + \u20ac0.2) \/ 10 = \u20ac0.05\/kWh of heat  Heat pump: ((\u20ac0.3 \/ 50%) \/ 10 + \u20ac0.15) \/ 3.0 = \u20ac0.07\/kWh of heat","human_ref_B":"Surprised at the people saying natural gas is so much cheaper than electricity.  Historically this is the case, though not to the level some of you may think. Lately with the war in Ukraine gas prices have gone up anywhere from 3x - 5x their historic rates. A month ago we were paying $9+ per dth for natural gas. The only reason the price went down is because there was a fire at a terminal in Louisiana that took 2-3 BILLION cf of natural gas out of the export lane and allowed the US to build back up reserves for the heating season. By contrast most of Europe has been paying $30-$45 per dth for natural gas. This is why the corporations have been filling every bulk cargo container they can find with NG and sending it to Europe, driving up our prices.  Electricity prices usually track NG prices because of NG fired plants, but with so much nuclear already and other renewable energy sources coming on line and in the works the price to generate electricity is getting cheaper. Notice I said the price of generation (what the utilities are paying to generate the power). Prices are still set by commodity markets and utilities are mostly monopolies or near monopolies who will bribe their way to more fees etc., but overall electricity is becoming cheaper than NG and eventually with renewables and advances in battery storage those prices will Come down even further.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":12855.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"wpzibh","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Is heat pump heating more efficient than natural gas heating? Electric heat pumps can me more efficient than \"1\" when heating a house.  Is heat pump heating, energetically speaking, also more efficient than a modern natural natural gas heating system, if the same natural gas would be used in a utility-run bug gas-fueled electricity plant?  If so, why is running an electric heat pump still more expensive, watt-for-watt than using has heating?  (I'm thinking about Germany in particular, but everyone I know says that electric heat pump heating is more expensive than gas burning)","c_root_id_A":"iklcc2u","c_root_id_B":"iklc5hw","created_at_utc_A":1660695554,"created_at_utc_B":1660695475,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Surprised at the people saying natural gas is so much cheaper than electricity.  Historically this is the case, though not to the level some of you may think. Lately with the war in Ukraine gas prices have gone up anywhere from 3x - 5x their historic rates. A month ago we were paying $9+ per dth for natural gas. The only reason the price went down is because there was a fire at a terminal in Louisiana that took 2-3 BILLION cf of natural gas out of the export lane and allowed the US to build back up reserves for the heating season. By contrast most of Europe has been paying $30-$45 per dth for natural gas. This is why the corporations have been filling every bulk cargo container they can find with NG and sending it to Europe, driving up our prices.  Electricity prices usually track NG prices because of NG fired plants, but with so much nuclear already and other renewable energy sources coming on line and in the works the price to generate electricity is getting cheaper. Notice I said the price of generation (what the utilities are paying to generate the power). Prices are still set by commodity markets and utilities are mostly monopolies or near monopolies who will bribe their way to more fees etc., but overall electricity is becoming cheaper than NG and eventually with renewables and advances in battery storage those prices will Come down even further.","human_ref_B":"More efficient, yes.  Cheaper, not always.  Even though (newer) heat pumps are objectively more efficient through a wide temperature range, natural gas costs in your area may make it so that it is cheaper to run your gas furnace than to get all your heating from a heat pump.  You need to do the math, and possibly run a test with your equipment to find the most economical option for your specific situation.   If you have an older heat pump, and live somewhere with really cheap natural gas, then it becomes even more likely that gas heating will be cheaper.  You have to decide if personal ecomonic savings, or doing what is objectively best for the planet, is the goal you are pursuing.  Personally, I live in a 55 year old house with a furnace installed in 1990, and a 5 ton a\/c unit that was replaced in 2018 under the home warranty (btw, home warranties are a scam, never pay for one) that came with my house, and upgrading to a heat pump was not an option that the home warranty contractor was able to provide, even if I paid the difference.   So I make do with (really inefficient) gas heat for all 8 days of the year that I need it. I'm not going to spend $12k to upgrade to a heat pump, it will never pay for itself.  If it freezes in Texas, the power grid fails anyway, so having a gas heating backup is a better option.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":79.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"13dr0l","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Electrical Engineers of Reddit, what is something that you feel that future engineers should work on or improve while they are still young? Hello Electrical Engineers! (or just Engineers in general!) My interest in engineering has been exponentially growing since last year, however I have no idea where to start. I am still in high school, but close to going into college, and there are no classes that the school provides that relate to engineering, other than physics and calculus. I am currently taking both classes in hopes of learning concepts that will be used in engineering. My question is : What is something you successful engineers advise younger engineers to work, learn, or improve on?      tl;dr : title","c_root_id_A":"c7322bi","c_root_id_B":"c7321o0","created_at_utc_A":1353212883,"created_at_utc_B":1353212802,"score_A":41,"score_B":22,"human_ref_A":"Hygiene","human_ref_B":"Practice continuous sanity checking as you work.  You should be able to pick out order-of-magnitude errors without having to resort to calculations.  Most junior techs that I work with are quite bright, but have severely underdeveloped senses of what looks right and what doesn't.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":81.0,"score_ratio":1.8636363636}
{"post_id":"13dr0l","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Electrical Engineers of Reddit, what is something that you feel that future engineers should work on or improve while they are still young? Hello Electrical Engineers! (or just Engineers in general!) My interest in engineering has been exponentially growing since last year, however I have no idea where to start. I am still in high school, but close to going into college, and there are no classes that the school provides that relate to engineering, other than physics and calculus. I am currently taking both classes in hopes of learning concepts that will be used in engineering. My question is : What is something you successful engineers advise younger engineers to work, learn, or improve on?      tl;dr : title","c_root_id_A":"c7322bi","c_root_id_B":"c731cvz","created_at_utc_A":1353212883,"created_at_utc_B":1353209632,"score_A":41,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"Hygiene","human_ref_B":"Learn to program...  Python is a good start as it's very user friendly but extremely powerful.  Also, MIT has all their EE classes online for free, so you can start learning now.  Hope this info helps, good luck!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3251.0,"score_ratio":3.4166666667}
{"post_id":"13dr0l","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Electrical Engineers of Reddit, what is something that you feel that future engineers should work on or improve while they are still young? Hello Electrical Engineers! (or just Engineers in general!) My interest in engineering has been exponentially growing since last year, however I have no idea where to start. I am still in high school, but close to going into college, and there are no classes that the school provides that relate to engineering, other than physics and calculus. I am currently taking both classes in hopes of learning concepts that will be used in engineering. My question is : What is something you successful engineers advise younger engineers to work, learn, or improve on?      tl;dr : title","c_root_id_A":"c7322bi","c_root_id_B":"c731yod","created_at_utc_A":1353212883,"created_at_utc_B":1353212419,"score_A":41,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Hygiene","human_ref_B":"It really depends on what sector of electrical engineering you're looking at. I'm a senior undergrad EE doing research in antenna synthesis with machine learning algorithms and having roughly 13 years of programming experience made my life so much easier the last 3 years.   Here's my list things to learn\/start doing now:  1) Learn Object Oriented Programming (OOP) in C++ by doing small projects (e.g. 'Idea generator', calculator, pong game, small chat program, file encryptor, etc)  2) Learn Python and write a web application  3) Google is your best friend in engineering. Google\/Youtube everything you don't understand. With the internet at your fingertips there's no reason you can't understand something.  4) Pick up the book \"Engineering Mathematics Pocket Book\" by John Bird. Throughout your engineering education you're going to take a lot of math classes (I've taken 7 so far I think) and you're bound to forget how to do all the little details of a certain problem. Also, it's really good for quickly teaching yourself just 'how to do' the math without having to deal with all the unnecessary formalities that math books go through.   5) Take notes on blank computer paper. I started doing this last year and my notes are SO much better now. Engineering requires many pictures to be drawn (i.e. circuit diagrams, weird mathematical graphs, etc) and really big equations won't fit between normal ruled paper. Think of your notes as a work of art and pretend your taking these notes to use to teach a class of your own. The best professors don't even require you to read a textbook because their personal notes (from which they're basically copying to the whiteboard) are so clear and comprehensive that there's no need.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":464.0,"score_ratio":6.8333333333}
{"post_id":"13dr0l","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Electrical Engineers of Reddit, what is something that you feel that future engineers should work on or improve while they are still young? Hello Electrical Engineers! (or just Engineers in general!) My interest in engineering has been exponentially growing since last year, however I have no idea where to start. I am still in high school, but close to going into college, and there are no classes that the school provides that relate to engineering, other than physics and calculus. I am currently taking both classes in hopes of learning concepts that will be used in engineering. My question is : What is something you successful engineers advise younger engineers to work, learn, or improve on?      tl;dr : title","c_root_id_A":"c732dyj","c_root_id_B":"c7321o0","created_at_utc_A":1353214321,"created_at_utc_B":1353212802,"score_A":36,"score_B":22,"human_ref_A":"People skills and office politics. All your other skills become meaningless at a point if you can't relate to you team or co-workers.","human_ref_B":"Practice continuous sanity checking as you work.  You should be able to pick out order-of-magnitude errors without having to resort to calculations.  Most junior techs that I work with are quite bright, but have severely underdeveloped senses of what looks right and what doesn't.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1519.0,"score_ratio":1.6363636364}
{"post_id":"13dr0l","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Electrical Engineers of Reddit, what is something that you feel that future engineers should work on or improve while they are still young? Hello Electrical Engineers! (or just Engineers in general!) My interest in engineering has been exponentially growing since last year, however I have no idea where to start. I am still in high school, but close to going into college, and there are no classes that the school provides that relate to engineering, other than physics and calculus. I am currently taking both classes in hopes of learning concepts that will be used in engineering. My question is : What is something you successful engineers advise younger engineers to work, learn, or improve on?      tl;dr : title","c_root_id_A":"c732dyj","c_root_id_B":"c731cvz","created_at_utc_A":1353214321,"created_at_utc_B":1353209632,"score_A":36,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"People skills and office politics. All your other skills become meaningless at a point if you can't relate to you team or co-workers.","human_ref_B":"Learn to program...  Python is a good start as it's very user friendly but extremely powerful.  Also, MIT has all their EE classes online for free, so you can start learning now.  Hope this info helps, good luck!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4689.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"13dr0l","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Electrical Engineers of Reddit, what is something that you feel that future engineers should work on or improve while they are still young? Hello Electrical Engineers! (or just Engineers in general!) My interest in engineering has been exponentially growing since last year, however I have no idea where to start. I am still in high school, but close to going into college, and there are no classes that the school provides that relate to engineering, other than physics and calculus. I am currently taking both classes in hopes of learning concepts that will be used in engineering. My question is : What is something you successful engineers advise younger engineers to work, learn, or improve on?      tl;dr : title","c_root_id_A":"c732dyj","c_root_id_B":"c731yod","created_at_utc_A":1353214321,"created_at_utc_B":1353212419,"score_A":36,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"People skills and office politics. All your other skills become meaningless at a point if you can't relate to you team or co-workers.","human_ref_B":"It really depends on what sector of electrical engineering you're looking at. I'm a senior undergrad EE doing research in antenna synthesis with machine learning algorithms and having roughly 13 years of programming experience made my life so much easier the last 3 years.   Here's my list things to learn\/start doing now:  1) Learn Object Oriented Programming (OOP) in C++ by doing small projects (e.g. 'Idea generator', calculator, pong game, small chat program, file encryptor, etc)  2) Learn Python and write a web application  3) Google is your best friend in engineering. Google\/Youtube everything you don't understand. With the internet at your fingertips there's no reason you can't understand something.  4) Pick up the book \"Engineering Mathematics Pocket Book\" by John Bird. Throughout your engineering education you're going to take a lot of math classes (I've taken 7 so far I think) and you're bound to forget how to do all the little details of a certain problem. Also, it's really good for quickly teaching yourself just 'how to do' the math without having to deal with all the unnecessary formalities that math books go through.   5) Take notes on blank computer paper. I started doing this last year and my notes are SO much better now. Engineering requires many pictures to be drawn (i.e. circuit diagrams, weird mathematical graphs, etc) and really big equations won't fit between normal ruled paper. Think of your notes as a work of art and pretend your taking these notes to use to teach a class of your own. The best professors don't even require you to read a textbook because their personal notes (from which they're basically copying to the whiteboard) are so clear and comprehensive that there's no need.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1902.0,"score_ratio":6.0}
{"post_id":"13dr0l","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Electrical Engineers of Reddit, what is something that you feel that future engineers should work on or improve while they are still young? Hello Electrical Engineers! (or just Engineers in general!) My interest in engineering has been exponentially growing since last year, however I have no idea where to start. I am still in high school, but close to going into college, and there are no classes that the school provides that relate to engineering, other than physics and calculus. I am currently taking both classes in hopes of learning concepts that will be used in engineering. My question is : What is something you successful engineers advise younger engineers to work, learn, or improve on?      tl;dr : title","c_root_id_A":"c7321o0","c_root_id_B":"c731cvz","created_at_utc_A":1353212802,"created_at_utc_B":1353209632,"score_A":22,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"Practice continuous sanity checking as you work.  You should be able to pick out order-of-magnitude errors without having to resort to calculations.  Most junior techs that I work with are quite bright, but have severely underdeveloped senses of what looks right and what doesn't.","human_ref_B":"Learn to program...  Python is a good start as it's very user friendly but extremely powerful.  Also, MIT has all their EE classes online for free, so you can start learning now.  Hope this info helps, good luck!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3170.0,"score_ratio":1.8333333333}
{"post_id":"13dr0l","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Electrical Engineers of Reddit, what is something that you feel that future engineers should work on or improve while they are still young? Hello Electrical Engineers! (or just Engineers in general!) My interest in engineering has been exponentially growing since last year, however I have no idea where to start. I am still in high school, but close to going into college, and there are no classes that the school provides that relate to engineering, other than physics and calculus. I am currently taking both classes in hopes of learning concepts that will be used in engineering. My question is : What is something you successful engineers advise younger engineers to work, learn, or improve on?      tl;dr : title","c_root_id_A":"c731yod","c_root_id_B":"c7321o0","created_at_utc_A":1353212419,"created_at_utc_B":1353212802,"score_A":6,"score_B":22,"human_ref_A":"It really depends on what sector of electrical engineering you're looking at. I'm a senior undergrad EE doing research in antenna synthesis with machine learning algorithms and having roughly 13 years of programming experience made my life so much easier the last 3 years.   Here's my list things to learn\/start doing now:  1) Learn Object Oriented Programming (OOP) in C++ by doing small projects (e.g. 'Idea generator', calculator, pong game, small chat program, file encryptor, etc)  2) Learn Python and write a web application  3) Google is your best friend in engineering. Google\/Youtube everything you don't understand. With the internet at your fingertips there's no reason you can't understand something.  4) Pick up the book \"Engineering Mathematics Pocket Book\" by John Bird. Throughout your engineering education you're going to take a lot of math classes (I've taken 7 so far I think) and you're bound to forget how to do all the little details of a certain problem. Also, it's really good for quickly teaching yourself just 'how to do' the math without having to deal with all the unnecessary formalities that math books go through.   5) Take notes on blank computer paper. I started doing this last year and my notes are SO much better now. Engineering requires many pictures to be drawn (i.e. circuit diagrams, weird mathematical graphs, etc) and really big equations won't fit between normal ruled paper. Think of your notes as a work of art and pretend your taking these notes to use to teach a class of your own. The best professors don't even require you to read a textbook because their personal notes (from which they're basically copying to the whiteboard) are so clear and comprehensive that there's no need.","human_ref_B":"Practice continuous sanity checking as you work.  You should be able to pick out order-of-magnitude errors without having to resort to calculations.  Most junior techs that I work with are quite bright, but have severely underdeveloped senses of what looks right and what doesn't.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":383.0,"score_ratio":3.6666666667}
{"post_id":"13dr0l","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Electrical Engineers of Reddit, what is something that you feel that future engineers should work on or improve while they are still young? Hello Electrical Engineers! (or just Engineers in general!) My interest in engineering has been exponentially growing since last year, however I have no idea where to start. I am still in high school, but close to going into college, and there are no classes that the school provides that relate to engineering, other than physics and calculus. I am currently taking both classes in hopes of learning concepts that will be used in engineering. My question is : What is something you successful engineers advise younger engineers to work, learn, or improve on?      tl;dr : title","c_root_id_A":"c732qwv","c_root_id_B":"c731cvz","created_at_utc_A":1353215966,"created_at_utc_B":1353209632,"score_A":21,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"Public speaking.  There are no where near enough engineers with serious social presence and abilities.","human_ref_B":"Learn to program...  Python is a good start as it's very user friendly but extremely powerful.  Also, MIT has all their EE classes online for free, so you can start learning now.  Hope this info helps, good luck!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6334.0,"score_ratio":1.75}
{"post_id":"13dr0l","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Electrical Engineers of Reddit, what is something that you feel that future engineers should work on or improve while they are still young? Hello Electrical Engineers! (or just Engineers in general!) My interest in engineering has been exponentially growing since last year, however I have no idea where to start. I am still in high school, but close to going into college, and there are no classes that the school provides that relate to engineering, other than physics and calculus. I am currently taking both classes in hopes of learning concepts that will be used in engineering. My question is : What is something you successful engineers advise younger engineers to work, learn, or improve on?      tl;dr : title","c_root_id_A":"c731yod","c_root_id_B":"c732qwv","created_at_utc_A":1353212419,"created_at_utc_B":1353215966,"score_A":6,"score_B":21,"human_ref_A":"It really depends on what sector of electrical engineering you're looking at. I'm a senior undergrad EE doing research in antenna synthesis with machine learning algorithms and having roughly 13 years of programming experience made my life so much easier the last 3 years.   Here's my list things to learn\/start doing now:  1) Learn Object Oriented Programming (OOP) in C++ by doing small projects (e.g. 'Idea generator', calculator, pong game, small chat program, file encryptor, etc)  2) Learn Python and write a web application  3) Google is your best friend in engineering. Google\/Youtube everything you don't understand. With the internet at your fingertips there's no reason you can't understand something.  4) Pick up the book \"Engineering Mathematics Pocket Book\" by John Bird. Throughout your engineering education you're going to take a lot of math classes (I've taken 7 so far I think) and you're bound to forget how to do all the little details of a certain problem. Also, it's really good for quickly teaching yourself just 'how to do' the math without having to deal with all the unnecessary formalities that math books go through.   5) Take notes on blank computer paper. I started doing this last year and my notes are SO much better now. Engineering requires many pictures to be drawn (i.e. circuit diagrams, weird mathematical graphs, etc) and really big equations won't fit between normal ruled paper. Think of your notes as a work of art and pretend your taking these notes to use to teach a class of your own. The best professors don't even require you to read a textbook because their personal notes (from which they're basically copying to the whiteboard) are so clear and comprehensive that there's no need.","human_ref_B":"Public speaking.  There are no where near enough engineers with serious social presence and abilities.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3547.0,"score_ratio":3.5}
{"post_id":"13dr0l","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Electrical Engineers of Reddit, what is something that you feel that future engineers should work on or improve while they are still young? Hello Electrical Engineers! (or just Engineers in general!) My interest in engineering has been exponentially growing since last year, however I have no idea where to start. I am still in high school, but close to going into college, and there are no classes that the school provides that relate to engineering, other than physics and calculus. I am currently taking both classes in hopes of learning concepts that will be used in engineering. My question is : What is something you successful engineers advise younger engineers to work, learn, or improve on?      tl;dr : title","c_root_id_A":"c737e4y","c_root_id_B":"c731yod","created_at_utc_A":1353253478,"created_at_utc_B":1353212419,"score_A":8,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Start working out now, before you fall behind all the pizza and mountain dew and beer.","human_ref_B":"It really depends on what sector of electrical engineering you're looking at. I'm a senior undergrad EE doing research in antenna synthesis with machine learning algorithms and having roughly 13 years of programming experience made my life so much easier the last 3 years.   Here's my list things to learn\/start doing now:  1) Learn Object Oriented Programming (OOP) in C++ by doing small projects (e.g. 'Idea generator', calculator, pong game, small chat program, file encryptor, etc)  2) Learn Python and write a web application  3) Google is your best friend in engineering. Google\/Youtube everything you don't understand. With the internet at your fingertips there's no reason you can't understand something.  4) Pick up the book \"Engineering Mathematics Pocket Book\" by John Bird. Throughout your engineering education you're going to take a lot of math classes (I've taken 7 so far I think) and you're bound to forget how to do all the little details of a certain problem. Also, it's really good for quickly teaching yourself just 'how to do' the math without having to deal with all the unnecessary formalities that math books go through.   5) Take notes on blank computer paper. I started doing this last year and my notes are SO much better now. Engineering requires many pictures to be drawn (i.e. circuit diagrams, weird mathematical graphs, etc) and really big equations won't fit between normal ruled paper. Think of your notes as a work of art and pretend your taking these notes to use to teach a class of your own. The best professors don't even require you to read a textbook because their personal notes (from which they're basically copying to the whiteboard) are so clear and comprehensive that there's no need.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":41059.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"13dr0l","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Electrical Engineers of Reddit, what is something that you feel that future engineers should work on or improve while they are still young? Hello Electrical Engineers! (or just Engineers in general!) My interest in engineering has been exponentially growing since last year, however I have no idea where to start. I am still in high school, but close to going into college, and there are no classes that the school provides that relate to engineering, other than physics and calculus. I am currently taking both classes in hopes of learning concepts that will be used in engineering. My question is : What is something you successful engineers advise younger engineers to work, learn, or improve on?      tl;dr : title","c_root_id_A":"c737e4y","c_root_id_B":"c734bt3","created_at_utc_A":1353253478,"created_at_utc_B":1353225224,"score_A":8,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Start working out now, before you fall behind all the pizza and mountain dew and beer.","human_ref_B":"start messing with circuit..hell learn to solder would help. at least learn resistor's color code","labels":1,"seconds_difference":28254.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"13dr0l","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Electrical Engineers of Reddit, what is something that you feel that future engineers should work on or improve while they are still young? Hello Electrical Engineers! (or just Engineers in general!) My interest in engineering has been exponentially growing since last year, however I have no idea where to start. I am still in high school, but close to going into college, and there are no classes that the school provides that relate to engineering, other than physics and calculus. I am currently taking both classes in hopes of learning concepts that will be used in engineering. My question is : What is something you successful engineers advise younger engineers to work, learn, or improve on?      tl;dr : title","c_root_id_A":"c734sip","c_root_id_B":"c737e4y","created_at_utc_A":1353228835,"created_at_utc_B":1353253478,"score_A":2,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"Try to keep your intrest in engineering, there are too many dropouts these days, oh and try not to go insane: we have enough crazy people at college already","human_ref_B":"Start working out now, before you fall behind all the pizza and mountain dew and beer.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":24643.0,"score_ratio":4.0}
{"post_id":"4y338w","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Engineers of Reddit, what does the best engineer you know personally do for work, and what makes them the best engineer you know? Mine is the chief engineer of a major fighter jet program.  He could do a boundary flow analysis in his head.","c_root_id_A":"d6kqxcr","c_root_id_B":"d6ktijd","created_at_utc_A":1471409274,"created_at_utc_B":1471415136,"score_A":35,"score_B":85,"human_ref_A":"Am I allowed to ask what boundary flow analysis is?","human_ref_B":"All the best engineers I know are deeply cynical and happy to say a project is completely flawed and fucked from the get-go. And yet they find a way to not be seen as contrary or belligerent, and instead actually respected. For example, they get in early enough to get their way, and they substitute better ideas that are equally or more doable.  What they're working on doesn't matter.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5862.0,"score_ratio":2.4285714286}
{"post_id":"4y338w","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Engineers of Reddit, what does the best engineer you know personally do for work, and what makes them the best engineer you know? Mine is the chief engineer of a major fighter jet program.  He could do a boundary flow analysis in his head.","c_root_id_A":"d6ktijd","c_root_id_B":"d6kmhl3","created_at_utc_A":1471415136,"created_at_utc_B":1471401603,"score_A":85,"score_B":33,"human_ref_A":"All the best engineers I know are deeply cynical and happy to say a project is completely flawed and fucked from the get-go. And yet they find a way to not be seen as contrary or belligerent, and instead actually respected. For example, they get in early enough to get their way, and they substitute better ideas that are equally or more doable.  What they're working on doesn't matter.","human_ref_B":"Asks to learn and acts after they know.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":13533.0,"score_ratio":2.5757575758}
{"post_id":"4y338w","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Engineers of Reddit, what does the best engineer you know personally do for work, and what makes them the best engineer you know? Mine is the chief engineer of a major fighter jet program.  He could do a boundary flow analysis in his head.","c_root_id_A":"d6ktijd","c_root_id_B":"d6kk513","created_at_utc_A":1471415136,"created_at_utc_B":1471398044,"score_A":85,"score_B":21,"human_ref_A":"All the best engineers I know are deeply cynical and happy to say a project is completely flawed and fucked from the get-go. And yet they find a way to not be seen as contrary or belligerent, and instead actually respected. For example, they get in early enough to get their way, and they substitute better ideas that are equally or more doable.  What they're working on doesn't matter.","human_ref_B":"I knew the former VP\/GM of skunk works, that probably makes him the best engineer ive ever met","labels":1,"seconds_difference":17092.0,"score_ratio":4.0476190476}
{"post_id":"4y338w","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Engineers of Reddit, what does the best engineer you know personally do for work, and what makes them the best engineer you know? Mine is the chief engineer of a major fighter jet program.  He could do a boundary flow analysis in his head.","c_root_id_A":"d6kmhl3","c_root_id_B":"d6kqxcr","created_at_utc_A":1471401603,"created_at_utc_B":1471409274,"score_A":33,"score_B":35,"human_ref_A":"Asks to learn and acts after they know.","human_ref_B":"Am I allowed to ask what boundary flow analysis is?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7671.0,"score_ratio":1.0606060606}
{"post_id":"4y338w","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Engineers of Reddit, what does the best engineer you know personally do for work, and what makes them the best engineer you know? Mine is the chief engineer of a major fighter jet program.  He could do a boundary flow analysis in his head.","c_root_id_A":"d6kk513","c_root_id_B":"d6kqxcr","created_at_utc_A":1471398044,"created_at_utc_B":1471409274,"score_A":21,"score_B":35,"human_ref_A":"I knew the former VP\/GM of skunk works, that probably makes him the best engineer ive ever met","human_ref_B":"Am I allowed to ask what boundary flow analysis is?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11230.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"4y338w","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Engineers of Reddit, what does the best engineer you know personally do for work, and what makes them the best engineer you know? Mine is the chief engineer of a major fighter jet program.  He could do a boundary flow analysis in his head.","c_root_id_A":"d6kk513","c_root_id_B":"d6kmhl3","created_at_utc_A":1471398044,"created_at_utc_B":1471401603,"score_A":21,"score_B":33,"human_ref_A":"I knew the former VP\/GM of skunk works, that probably makes him the best engineer ive ever met","human_ref_B":"Asks to learn and acts after they know.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3559.0,"score_ratio":1.5714285714}
{"post_id":"4y338w","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Engineers of Reddit, what does the best engineer you know personally do for work, and what makes them the best engineer you know? Mine is the chief engineer of a major fighter jet program.  He could do a boundary flow analysis in his head.","c_root_id_A":"d6kk513","c_root_id_B":"d6lb3vn","created_at_utc_A":1471398044,"created_at_utc_B":1471451027,"score_A":21,"score_B":24,"human_ref_A":"I knew the former VP\/GM of skunk works, that probably makes him the best engineer ive ever met","human_ref_B":"Principal Mech engineer   - Gets his stuff done early- to give you an idea, as a student would strive to be at least a couple weeks ahead in homework.  All the other senior engineers always groaned because he would go above and beyond AND he'd be first so everyone else had to use his stuff as the template.   - Explains problems as interesting stories- I never saw managers eyes glaze over when he talked.  - Not afraid to go outside his discipline- Ended up knowing the firmware better than some of the firmware guys on his team  - Bulletproof designs- Took poke-yoke to an extreme.  All his designs had tons of margin and error proofing built in.  Especially with safety.  Even if the tool said it was acceptable risk, he'd still put in the extra features to make it literally impossible for something to happen.  - Used the people to the best of their abilities- Got so much good work out of designers, techs and engineers.    - Challenged assumptions and specs- Would be willing to throw out an old design in order to explore a completely new design space.  - Gave genuine praise often- Really just a stellar guy all around. Would present your work, make your work sound better than you could yourself and then let you answer the question when management was in the meeting.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":52983.0,"score_ratio":1.1428571429}
{"post_id":"4y338w","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Engineers of Reddit, what does the best engineer you know personally do for work, and what makes them the best engineer you know? Mine is the chief engineer of a major fighter jet program.  He could do a boundary flow analysis in his head.","c_root_id_A":"d6l2nf0","c_root_id_B":"d6lb3vn","created_at_utc_A":1471439911,"created_at_utc_B":1471451027,"score_A":17,"score_B":24,"human_ref_A":"He's able to switch from right brain to left brain thinking with ease. I can do it to a degree, but he does it effortlessly.   It's a skill that not enough engineers have.     An hour of solo analysis on data; a half an hour brainstorming solutions in a group; an hour solo engineering  a solution based on brainstorming ; an hour developing an implementation plan with a couple other people; then the rest of the day doing politics to support the plan, over the phone or in person....all done back to back to back","human_ref_B":"Principal Mech engineer   - Gets his stuff done early- to give you an idea, as a student would strive to be at least a couple weeks ahead in homework.  All the other senior engineers always groaned because he would go above and beyond AND he'd be first so everyone else had to use his stuff as the template.   - Explains problems as interesting stories- I never saw managers eyes glaze over when he talked.  - Not afraid to go outside his discipline- Ended up knowing the firmware better than some of the firmware guys on his team  - Bulletproof designs- Took poke-yoke to an extreme.  All his designs had tons of margin and error proofing built in.  Especially with safety.  Even if the tool said it was acceptable risk, he'd still put in the extra features to make it literally impossible for something to happen.  - Used the people to the best of their abilities- Got so much good work out of designers, techs and engineers.    - Challenged assumptions and specs- Would be willing to throw out an old design in order to explore a completely new design space.  - Gave genuine praise often- Really just a stellar guy all around. Would present your work, make your work sound better than you could yourself and then let you answer the question when management was in the meeting.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11116.0,"score_ratio":1.4117647059}
{"post_id":"4y338w","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Engineers of Reddit, what does the best engineer you know personally do for work, and what makes them the best engineer you know? Mine is the chief engineer of a major fighter jet program.  He could do a boundary flow analysis in his head.","c_root_id_A":"d6l9vvi","c_root_id_B":"d6lb3vn","created_at_utc_A":1471449586,"created_at_utc_B":1471451027,"score_A":7,"score_B":24,"human_ref_A":"I'd describe him as type-A + aspergers. Worked in a lab with him and it felt like he knew everything on every level. From working level engineering specs, down to the mathematics of the underlying physics. Id help him invent lab equipment that didn't exist do we could do the experiments he wanted to do.","human_ref_B":"Principal Mech engineer   - Gets his stuff done early- to give you an idea, as a student would strive to be at least a couple weeks ahead in homework.  All the other senior engineers always groaned because he would go above and beyond AND he'd be first so everyone else had to use his stuff as the template.   - Explains problems as interesting stories- I never saw managers eyes glaze over when he talked.  - Not afraid to go outside his discipline- Ended up knowing the firmware better than some of the firmware guys on his team  - Bulletproof designs- Took poke-yoke to an extreme.  All his designs had tons of margin and error proofing built in.  Especially with safety.  Even if the tool said it was acceptable risk, he'd still put in the extra features to make it literally impossible for something to happen.  - Used the people to the best of their abilities- Got so much good work out of designers, techs and engineers.    - Challenged assumptions and specs- Would be willing to throw out an old design in order to explore a completely new design space.  - Gave genuine praise often- Really just a stellar guy all around. Would present your work, make your work sound better than you could yourself and then let you answer the question when management was in the meeting.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1441.0,"score_ratio":3.4285714286}
{"post_id":"4y338w","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Engineers of Reddit, what does the best engineer you know personally do for work, and what makes them the best engineer you know? Mine is the chief engineer of a major fighter jet program.  He could do a boundary flow analysis in his head.","c_root_id_A":"d6ldnn5","c_root_id_B":"d6l9vvi","created_at_utc_A":1471453976,"created_at_utc_B":1471449586,"score_A":11,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"My boss is literally the smartest person I've ever met in 34 years of life. I am continually amazed at the breadth and depth of the knowledge he has about almost everything. We specialize in design of high containment facilities for research, which can be extremely complex. He knows more about lab planning than most architects, more about all of the systems than any of the specialists, and more about the equipment than the users. He drives design considerations from the early stages of the project, and can manage the construction better than anyone I've ever seen. His documents are air tight down to the letter, even on projects done in other languages. I would bet that he is one of if not the premier mechanical engineers in the world. I feel like I become a better engineer just being around him. There are a lot of ways to do things in this field, but it's amazing to be around someone who can consistently tell you the best way to do it.","human_ref_B":"I'd describe him as type-A + aspergers. Worked in a lab with him and it felt like he knew everything on every level. From working level engineering specs, down to the mathematics of the underlying physics. Id help him invent lab equipment that didn't exist do we could do the experiments he wanted to do.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4390.0,"score_ratio":1.5714285714}
{"post_id":"rqrbzj","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"After giving notice about leaving the company for a role elsewhere, am I supposed to keep my new job a secret from my current coworkers? I work for a large civil engineering consulting firm. The last few times that one of my coworkers has left us to go to another company, they didn't disclose (to the manger or any coworkers) which firm they were moving to, even after everyone in our office knew they were leaving. I found this to be odd because, we work in such a tight-knit field that the day they started their new job, we all found out where they ended up through the grapevine.  I'm asking because I'll be giving my notice this week to take an offer at another firm, and I'm wondering if there's some professional etiquette that I'm not understanding.  I did some searching online before asking this question, and the only discussion I could find on the topic was suggesting that it's fine to tell your current manager where you're going unless you believe that they will try to contact your new employer and sabotage your offer. I absolutely cannot imagine my manager doing that, so I still feel perplexed why my old coworkers kept the location of their new job a secret.  Thanks for your advice.","c_root_id_A":"hqc4jyk","c_root_id_B":"hqc1o16","created_at_utc_A":1640731679,"created_at_utc_B":1640730467,"score_A":62,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"It is not a matter of secrecy more than it is privacy. It is basically none of their business. If I have friends, real friends at work, I\u2019d tell them. But again it would  be a private conversation with my friend.   You do what you feel comfortable with","human_ref_B":"May be to avoid any possible appearances of trying to poach folks on the way out.  Did you ask the previous coworkers where they were going?  Could be as simple as no one asked so they didn't answer.  When folks leave at my current place, we usually find out pretty quick where they're going since they get cut off from all the systems immediately if it's a competitor and if it's not, then it's not a big deal to say where they're going since it's not direct competition","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1212.0,"score_ratio":20.6666666667}
{"post_id":"rqrbzj","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"After giving notice about leaving the company for a role elsewhere, am I supposed to keep my new job a secret from my current coworkers? I work for a large civil engineering consulting firm. The last few times that one of my coworkers has left us to go to another company, they didn't disclose (to the manger or any coworkers) which firm they were moving to, even after everyone in our office knew they were leaving. I found this to be odd because, we work in such a tight-knit field that the day they started their new job, we all found out where they ended up through the grapevine.  I'm asking because I'll be giving my notice this week to take an offer at another firm, and I'm wondering if there's some professional etiquette that I'm not understanding.  I did some searching online before asking this question, and the only discussion I could find on the topic was suggesting that it's fine to tell your current manager where you're going unless you believe that they will try to contact your new employer and sabotage your offer. I absolutely cannot imagine my manager doing that, so I still feel perplexed why my old coworkers kept the location of their new job a secret.  Thanks for your advice.","c_root_id_A":"hqc1o16","c_root_id_B":"hqcc608","created_at_utc_A":1640730467,"created_at_utc_B":1640734951,"score_A":3,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"May be to avoid any possible appearances of trying to poach folks on the way out.  Did you ask the previous coworkers where they were going?  Could be as simple as no one asked so they didn't answer.  When folks leave at my current place, we usually find out pretty quick where they're going since they get cut off from all the systems immediately if it's a competitor and if it's not, then it's not a big deal to say where they're going since it's not direct competition","human_ref_B":"I don't know if there is some kind of standard etiquette, but what I have done is reached out to my larger team and let them know that I'm leaving, gratitude for working with them, etc. etc. How much detail you want to disclose (when, where to, and why) is up to you. I would also send out a separate email to closer coworkers and invite them to stay in touch via personal email or LinkedIn. There is nothing wrong with telling them where you are going or why, I agree with u\/Oracle5of7 that its simply a matter of privacy - they don't need to know, unless you're OK volunteering it.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4484.0,"score_ratio":5.6666666667}
{"post_id":"rqrbzj","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"After giving notice about leaving the company for a role elsewhere, am I supposed to keep my new job a secret from my current coworkers? I work for a large civil engineering consulting firm. The last few times that one of my coworkers has left us to go to another company, they didn't disclose (to the manger or any coworkers) which firm they were moving to, even after everyone in our office knew they were leaving. I found this to be odd because, we work in such a tight-knit field that the day they started their new job, we all found out where they ended up through the grapevine.  I'm asking because I'll be giving my notice this week to take an offer at another firm, and I'm wondering if there's some professional etiquette that I'm not understanding.  I did some searching online before asking this question, and the only discussion I could find on the topic was suggesting that it's fine to tell your current manager where you're going unless you believe that they will try to contact your new employer and sabotage your offer. I absolutely cannot imagine my manager doing that, so I still feel perplexed why my old coworkers kept the location of their new job a secret.  Thanks for your advice.","c_root_id_A":"hqd31ph","c_root_id_B":"hqc1o16","created_at_utc_A":1640747052,"created_at_utc_B":1640730467,"score_A":8,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I've always tried to avoid naming my new company, mostly because I didn't want management to come back with the: *\"Why are you going there?  That place is terrible. They did things A, B, and C. I think you're making a mistake.  You should stay here because X, Y and Z.\"*  Of course, management never wanted to have a conversation about anything BEFORE they were holding my resignation letter.  They always get real chatty after they receive it, though.  It's up to you if you want to share, if there are co-workers you like and trust.  But for me, spreading the word openly is just making it that much harder to exit cleanly without shooting my mouth off and burning a bridge.","human_ref_B":"May be to avoid any possible appearances of trying to poach folks on the way out.  Did you ask the previous coworkers where they were going?  Could be as simple as no one asked so they didn't answer.  When folks leave at my current place, we usually find out pretty quick where they're going since they get cut off from all the systems immediately if it's a competitor and if it's not, then it's not a big deal to say where they're going since it's not direct competition","labels":1,"seconds_difference":16585.0,"score_ratio":2.6666666667}
{"post_id":"rqrbzj","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"After giving notice about leaving the company for a role elsewhere, am I supposed to keep my new job a secret from my current coworkers? I work for a large civil engineering consulting firm. The last few times that one of my coworkers has left us to go to another company, they didn't disclose (to the manger or any coworkers) which firm they were moving to, even after everyone in our office knew they were leaving. I found this to be odd because, we work in such a tight-knit field that the day they started their new job, we all found out where they ended up through the grapevine.  I'm asking because I'll be giving my notice this week to take an offer at another firm, and I'm wondering if there's some professional etiquette that I'm not understanding.  I did some searching online before asking this question, and the only discussion I could find on the topic was suggesting that it's fine to tell your current manager where you're going unless you believe that they will try to contact your new employer and sabotage your offer. I absolutely cannot imagine my manager doing that, so I still feel perplexed why my old coworkers kept the location of their new job a secret.  Thanks for your advice.","c_root_id_A":"hqcfw5r","c_root_id_B":"hqd31ph","created_at_utc_A":1640736575,"created_at_utc_B":1640747052,"score_A":4,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"No reason to stay quiet. Labor only gets stronger negotiation from open communication. As far as \"appearance\" of poaching, if company A is scared of company B poaching talent, then company A should look into why people are leaving.","human_ref_B":"I've always tried to avoid naming my new company, mostly because I didn't want management to come back with the: *\"Why are you going there?  That place is terrible. They did things A, B, and C. I think you're making a mistake.  You should stay here because X, Y and Z.\"*  Of course, management never wanted to have a conversation about anything BEFORE they were holding my resignation letter.  They always get real chatty after they receive it, though.  It's up to you if you want to share, if there are co-workers you like and trust.  But for me, spreading the word openly is just making it that much harder to exit cleanly without shooting my mouth off and burning a bridge.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10477.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"rqrbzj","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"After giving notice about leaving the company for a role elsewhere, am I supposed to keep my new job a secret from my current coworkers? I work for a large civil engineering consulting firm. The last few times that one of my coworkers has left us to go to another company, they didn't disclose (to the manger or any coworkers) which firm they were moving to, even after everyone in our office knew they were leaving. I found this to be odd because, we work in such a tight-knit field that the day they started their new job, we all found out where they ended up through the grapevine.  I'm asking because I'll be giving my notice this week to take an offer at another firm, and I'm wondering if there's some professional etiquette that I'm not understanding.  I did some searching online before asking this question, and the only discussion I could find on the topic was suggesting that it's fine to tell your current manager where you're going unless you believe that they will try to contact your new employer and sabotage your offer. I absolutely cannot imagine my manager doing that, so I still feel perplexed why my old coworkers kept the location of their new job a secret.  Thanks for your advice.","c_root_id_A":"hqcnxw2","c_root_id_B":"hqd31ph","created_at_utc_A":1640740156,"created_at_utc_B":1640747052,"score_A":3,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"It's going to depend on company culture and such but if in doubt, keep your mouth shut.","human_ref_B":"I've always tried to avoid naming my new company, mostly because I didn't want management to come back with the: *\"Why are you going there?  That place is terrible. They did things A, B, and C. I think you're making a mistake.  You should stay here because X, Y and Z.\"*  Of course, management never wanted to have a conversation about anything BEFORE they were holding my resignation letter.  They always get real chatty after they receive it, though.  It's up to you if you want to share, if there are co-workers you like and trust.  But for me, spreading the word openly is just making it that much harder to exit cleanly without shooting my mouth off and burning a bridge.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6896.0,"score_ratio":2.6666666667}
{"post_id":"rqrbzj","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"After giving notice about leaving the company for a role elsewhere, am I supposed to keep my new job a secret from my current coworkers? I work for a large civil engineering consulting firm. The last few times that one of my coworkers has left us to go to another company, they didn't disclose (to the manger or any coworkers) which firm they were moving to, even after everyone in our office knew they were leaving. I found this to be odd because, we work in such a tight-knit field that the day they started their new job, we all found out where they ended up through the grapevine.  I'm asking because I'll be giving my notice this week to take an offer at another firm, and I'm wondering if there's some professional etiquette that I'm not understanding.  I did some searching online before asking this question, and the only discussion I could find on the topic was suggesting that it's fine to tell your current manager where you're going unless you believe that they will try to contact your new employer and sabotage your offer. I absolutely cannot imagine my manager doing that, so I still feel perplexed why my old coworkers kept the location of their new job a secret.  Thanks for your advice.","c_root_id_A":"hqd31ph","c_root_id_B":"hqckg70","created_at_utc_A":1640747052,"created_at_utc_B":1640738590,"score_A":8,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I've always tried to avoid naming my new company, mostly because I didn't want management to come back with the: *\"Why are you going there?  That place is terrible. They did things A, B, and C. I think you're making a mistake.  You should stay here because X, Y and Z.\"*  Of course, management never wanted to have a conversation about anything BEFORE they were holding my resignation letter.  They always get real chatty after they receive it, though.  It's up to you if you want to share, if there are co-workers you like and trust.  But for me, spreading the word openly is just making it that much harder to exit cleanly without shooting my mouth off and burning a bridge.","human_ref_B":"What I have found is that it varies by company. Once you give notice, they may ask you not to tell your coworkers, or they may say nothing. I've had it happen both ways.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8462.0,"score_ratio":4.0}
{"post_id":"rqrbzj","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"After giving notice about leaving the company for a role elsewhere, am I supposed to keep my new job a secret from my current coworkers? I work for a large civil engineering consulting firm. The last few times that one of my coworkers has left us to go to another company, they didn't disclose (to the manger or any coworkers) which firm they were moving to, even after everyone in our office knew they were leaving. I found this to be odd because, we work in such a tight-knit field that the day they started their new job, we all found out where they ended up through the grapevine.  I'm asking because I'll be giving my notice this week to take an offer at another firm, and I'm wondering if there's some professional etiquette that I'm not understanding.  I did some searching online before asking this question, and the only discussion I could find on the topic was suggesting that it's fine to tell your current manager where you're going unless you believe that they will try to contact your new employer and sabotage your offer. I absolutely cannot imagine my manager doing that, so I still feel perplexed why my old coworkers kept the location of their new job a secret.  Thanks for your advice.","c_root_id_A":"hqcfw5r","c_root_id_B":"hqc1o16","created_at_utc_A":1640736575,"created_at_utc_B":1640730467,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"No reason to stay quiet. Labor only gets stronger negotiation from open communication. As far as \"appearance\" of poaching, if company A is scared of company B poaching talent, then company A should look into why people are leaving.","human_ref_B":"May be to avoid any possible appearances of trying to poach folks on the way out.  Did you ask the previous coworkers where they were going?  Could be as simple as no one asked so they didn't answer.  When folks leave at my current place, we usually find out pretty quick where they're going since they get cut off from all the systems immediately if it's a competitor and if it's not, then it's not a big deal to say where they're going since it's not direct competition","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6108.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"rqrbzj","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"After giving notice about leaving the company for a role elsewhere, am I supposed to keep my new job a secret from my current coworkers? I work for a large civil engineering consulting firm. The last few times that one of my coworkers has left us to go to another company, they didn't disclose (to the manger or any coworkers) which firm they were moving to, even after everyone in our office knew they were leaving. I found this to be odd because, we work in such a tight-knit field that the day they started their new job, we all found out where they ended up through the grapevine.  I'm asking because I'll be giving my notice this week to take an offer at another firm, and I'm wondering if there's some professional etiquette that I'm not understanding.  I did some searching online before asking this question, and the only discussion I could find on the topic was suggesting that it's fine to tell your current manager where you're going unless you believe that they will try to contact your new employer and sabotage your offer. I absolutely cannot imagine my manager doing that, so I still feel perplexed why my old coworkers kept the location of their new job a secret.  Thanks for your advice.","c_root_id_A":"hqcnxw2","c_root_id_B":"hqckg70","created_at_utc_A":1640740156,"created_at_utc_B":1640738590,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"It's going to depend on company culture and such but if in doubt, keep your mouth shut.","human_ref_B":"What I have found is that it varies by company. Once you give notice, they may ask you not to tell your coworkers, or they may say nothing. I've had it happen both ways.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1566.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"rqrbzj","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"After giving notice about leaving the company for a role elsewhere, am I supposed to keep my new job a secret from my current coworkers? I work for a large civil engineering consulting firm. The last few times that one of my coworkers has left us to go to another company, they didn't disclose (to the manger or any coworkers) which firm they were moving to, even after everyone in our office knew they were leaving. I found this to be odd because, we work in such a tight-knit field that the day they started their new job, we all found out where they ended up through the grapevine.  I'm asking because I'll be giving my notice this week to take an offer at another firm, and I'm wondering if there's some professional etiquette that I'm not understanding.  I did some searching online before asking this question, and the only discussion I could find on the topic was suggesting that it's fine to tell your current manager where you're going unless you believe that they will try to contact your new employer and sabotage your offer. I absolutely cannot imagine my manager doing that, so I still feel perplexed why my old coworkers kept the location of their new job a secret.  Thanks for your advice.","c_root_id_A":"hqdvbb5","c_root_id_B":"hqckg70","created_at_utc_A":1640762987,"created_at_utc_B":1640738590,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"When i \"left\" structural engineering it was to pursue  an entirely different career path, so i gave my managers like 3 months notice. They were disappointed, but SUPER grateful because we were continuously understaffed.  I'll embellish and say i smoothly transitioned about 90% of my active projects to other engineers, and then my coworkers threw a surprise goinf away party where they all dressed up as one of my various previous Halloween costumes.","human_ref_B":"What I have found is that it varies by company. Once you give notice, they may ask you not to tell your coworkers, or they may say nothing. I've had it happen both ways.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":24397.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"rqrbzj","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"After giving notice about leaving the company for a role elsewhere, am I supposed to keep my new job a secret from my current coworkers? I work for a large civil engineering consulting firm. The last few times that one of my coworkers has left us to go to another company, they didn't disclose (to the manger or any coworkers) which firm they were moving to, even after everyone in our office knew they were leaving. I found this to be odd because, we work in such a tight-knit field that the day they started their new job, we all found out where they ended up through the grapevine.  I'm asking because I'll be giving my notice this week to take an offer at another firm, and I'm wondering if there's some professional etiquette that I'm not understanding.  I did some searching online before asking this question, and the only discussion I could find on the topic was suggesting that it's fine to tell your current manager where you're going unless you believe that they will try to contact your new employer and sabotage your offer. I absolutely cannot imagine my manager doing that, so I still feel perplexed why my old coworkers kept the location of their new job a secret.  Thanks for your advice.","c_root_id_A":"hqdvbb5","c_root_id_B":"hqdhwtu","created_at_utc_A":1640762987,"created_at_utc_B":1640754472,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"When i \"left\" structural engineering it was to pursue  an entirely different career path, so i gave my managers like 3 months notice. They were disappointed, but SUPER grateful because we were continuously understaffed.  I'll embellish and say i smoothly transitioned about 90% of my active projects to other engineers, and then my coworkers threw a surprise goinf away party where they all dressed up as one of my various previous Halloween costumes.","human_ref_B":"Give notice to your manager. They may ask you where you\u2019re going and why - you should tell them the truth (nicely).  If manager doesn\u2019t bring it up, ask them what they\u2019d like you to do, in terms of informing the team.  * Team needs to be informed so you can off board info to them * management may want to emphasize one part of your reasons for leaving (ie, emphasize new role vs more money) * management may want to tell everyone at the same time (to prevent rumors\/telephone game\/undue distractions)  Of course it is your choice if you want to play along with any of those. But most people prefer not to burn bridges on the way out (contrary to what it might seem like on Reddit)  Edit: I work in software, not civil, but I can\u2019t imagine it\u2019s all that different.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8515.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"6kmwly","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"After 5 years as a design engineer. I feel like I am unsuited to it and need to move to another area of engineering. Any input on where I should take my engineering career from here would be appreciated. I have worked for around 5 years in design engineer roles and am unemployed at the moment. I am seeking a new career direction and any advice would be appreciated please.  My story:  After graduating with a BEng Hons in Mechanical my first role was for a small company, within two weeks my boss who had hired me had a big falling out with the managing director and left. The MD was a very difficult person to work with, but it came as a shock to me as my boss who had promised to mentor me had now disappeared. I decided to stay at the company and during my time never received any formal training. I just put my head down and got stuck into the designing as best as I could and worked hard. It turned out that the company had a very high turnover of designers and staff in general.    Finally I left as I wished to gain new experience and I felt I was going no where at that job. My second job was for company specialising in large fabrication. This started well and I received good performance reviews. However things took a turn for the worse when the company began to take on work with very tight lead times. I was still learning the ropes and trying to get designs drawn up checked and into fabrication, I struggled with the pace ( I feel this is why I am maybe not suited to be a designer). I was responsible for some errors but also felt that I was hung out to dry by my manager. I was fired the day after I came back from my honeymoon.   At this point I was feeling I was not cut out to be a designer, perhaps foolishly but also spurred on by the need to be in work I took on a role with a company civil engineering company as a CAD designer. They used AutoCAD, my background was primarily in Solidworks. I made them aware of this and the fact I was not familiar with the construction industry. They said this would not be a problem and I would receive training. Training was non existent and I battled on doing research in my free time to try and make the job easier to do.    I have since being let go from this role (I was not kept on when the six month probationary period I was on was finished). I am glad to be not working for them as the last month was hellish. I was under a lot of pressure and was starting to look for a way out. It was a fast paced, high pressure role. The company was aware that I was not from a civil\/construction background when they took me on.   My designer manager and the contracts director who I reported to had a very demanding and over bearing management style. On one hand they wanted me to be an \"autonomous\" designer but on the other hand when I tried to work by myself and tackle problems I was constantly being undermined and belittled. The contracts director has threatened to fire me about a month before I was actually fired and also said to me that if something went wrong then \"woe betide me\". I was responsible for an error about 3\/4 through my probationary period which cost the company some money but no one had checked it despite my requests. I completed many projects which were fabricated, assembled and delivered to site correctly though so I did plenty right too.    As with previous roles it turns out that there were several other designers at that company in the past, most have not lasted long by the looks of it and were probably \"rinsed\" and then left\/ were fired. When I was fired I felt it was a good thing as the stress was beginning to effect my personal life. As a result of the above experiences my confidence is at an all time low.   I think I should look for other roles that are not a design engineer. I feel I will always struggle with the fast paced, high pressure, small engineering jobs. These are the type I have worked in so far. In my opinion I am not a great draughtsman so I need a change from this.    I have previously applied for roles as maintenance engineer and production planner but I think I may be ruled out of these roles as my experience is solely in design. Perhaps there are other roles in the engineering sector I could work as?   Recently I have signed up to do a course which is one day a week in rail maintenance and am really enjoying it so far. Railways are something I am passionate about and it is mostly hands on role. I worked on a building site as a labourer while younger thought I was suited to it. It was one of the few jobs where I was told I was good at it. Possibly this is the future for me? It allows me to still use my engineering knowledge and experience I have gained so far but to apply it in an area that is possibly better suited for me.   Any thoughts\/advice would be much appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"djo9mun","c_root_id_B":"djoaoxm","created_at_utc_A":1498971254,"created_at_utc_B":1498973293,"score_A":2,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Being an oldfart and being the guy that hires rookie engineers, I'm usually a hardass on kids like you.  That said, I think you've had some really bad breaks.  You might want to take a break, but you still might have a rewarding career as a design engineer.  I would suggest working as a manufacturing engineer for 2-3 years and then going back to design if you don't like what you are doing.  Manufacturing engineer is actually a pretty nice gig.  You can build stuff and make it work without a ton of bureaucracy hanging over you and you can also learn a lot from the people on the floor.","human_ref_B":"Fellow mechanical engineer here. I work in the entertainment industry designing roller coasters. I'll try to be the advocate for staying in design engineering as no one else seems to be.  It is possible that you don't like design engineering, but as a mechanical, there are very few opportunities that don't require design and drafting as part of an everyday responsibility, and most of the ones that don't are more managerial or consultative in nature, and require a sizeable experience set and knowledge of engineering design. You can't run away from it. Support positions, applications positions, and other customer facing positions could be an alternate route for you, but this often involves a great deal of travel. If travel is fine by you, consider them.  As with any career, you'll have to decide how far you want to immerse yourself into your job. Are you looking for life outside of work, or do you want to make work your life? By the tone of your original post, it seems like you're leaning toward the latter, where you may find more happiness in the former. I currently work in roller coaster prototyping and design. You may think this is rewarding \/ exciting \/ fun, and it is, given a healthy serving of life outside work. If I had expectation that my job was going to fill a void in my life, I would be miserable. Stop trying to make work your life. Treat it as a means to an end, and try to enjoy the journey. Subject matter is subjective. This should be on a T-Shirt.  If you're anything like me and enjoy seeing the fruits of your labor, work in an environment where you design and manufacture products at a single location, or design-build consulting firms. Avoid design firms and avoid companies that manufacture their products in developing countries (assuming you're located in North America).  If you've been typically in large companies (50+ technical staff), you may want to consider smaller companies (0-50 design staff), and vice versa.You'd be surprised at how the politics and bureaucracy can change between companies. Many levels of management often makes the bottom rung of the ladder the scapegoat. Smaller companies tend to be a flatter structure than a ladder structure.  Try to look at salary expectations with an open mind. I have friends that are making 50% more than I am but are working 60+ hour weeks. This is typical of a number of automotive and aerospace giants (in north america anyways). Money can't buy happiness.  When interviewing for a job, always remember you're also interviewing them. Look at the environment, the people you'll be working with, and try to meet as many people as possible. Try to pickup the vibe of the office. As confirmed by your experience, the people you work with means everything. It doesn't matter what you're doing as long as you're working alongside people who are personable, honest, and have your back. A collaborative environment can usually be indicated by no cubicles, few offices with doors, lots of meeting rooms, younger staff, etc. When you tour the office, try to see how many people are talking, what their desks look like, and especially the posture of people working there. People slumped in their chairs is not a good sign.  I'd like to address the checking issue. You are unilaterally responsible for the work you produce. This is the mentality that you must embrace as an engineer. Checking, in my experience, is seldom formalized, and when it is formalized, much key design intent such as inferences cannot be checked easily by anyone but the original designer. Always ALWAYS do a thorough check yourself.  I'd also like to address the aggressive deadline issue. This is common across all engineering. The less time it takes to design something, the more money the company makes. Further, agreeing to tight delivery schedules often means the difference between securing a contract and losing the contract. Because of this, you cannot run from tight deadlines. If you are at a company where deadlines are not tight, this typically means that A) the company isn't doing well, B) you aren't doing well and your skills aren't in demand, or C) your company is overburdened with complacency and bureaucracy which creates a toxic environment. In other words, tight deadlines are a good sign. Business is good.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2039.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"cy41eb","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Advice from experienced engineers Engineers with 20 to 30 years experience - What is one piece of advice you would give to someone  who has ~5 to 10 years experience being an engineer ?","c_root_id_A":"eypyjs4","c_root_id_B":"eypy4fj","created_at_utc_A":1567316310,"created_at_utc_B":1567315799,"score_A":84,"score_B":42,"human_ref_A":"I'm retired, and the one piece of advice I would give is never make an enemy when you could just be indifferent or walk away.    Relationships in professional circles even in major metros are very tight-knit, and you never want to have to explain yourself years later when the person you chose to ridicule or disparage is sitting across from you at a conference.  Don't be a petty person, and it will make your life much, much easier as you grow into the community.","human_ref_B":"Add public speaking to your skill set.  This does not necessarily mean you have to speak in front of 100s like Tony Robbins.  There will be many situations like presenting to a handful of investors or reviewing a project with your department that will involve a form of public speaking.  Being able to properly convey these ideas is crucial in getting buy-in and understanding among the team.  I took a public speaking class while in engineering school. My main motivation for the class was an easy A from a non-tech elective, however, that class was unbelievably valuable and I continue to use some of those tips as I am 18+ years into my career.    Over the years I have started to present at conferences and having this skill has been a great boost for my career.  With all of the engineers I mentor, I advise them to work on improving this skill as it really helps out in many areas.    Best of luck, Sol  PS I was actually interviewed on a website about this issue and its importance to engineers.  I am not sharing the link to the YouTube video here so that I don't get accused of spamming.  However, send me a PM and I'll forward the link.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":511.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"cy41eb","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Advice from experienced engineers Engineers with 20 to 30 years experience - What is one piece of advice you would give to someone  who has ~5 to 10 years experience being an engineer ?","c_root_id_A":"eypy4fj","c_root_id_B":"eypz2lb","created_at_utc_A":1567315799,"created_at_utc_B":1567316959,"score_A":42,"score_B":49,"human_ref_A":"Add public speaking to your skill set.  This does not necessarily mean you have to speak in front of 100s like Tony Robbins.  There will be many situations like presenting to a handful of investors or reviewing a project with your department that will involve a form of public speaking.  Being able to properly convey these ideas is crucial in getting buy-in and understanding among the team.  I took a public speaking class while in engineering school. My main motivation for the class was an easy A from a non-tech elective, however, that class was unbelievably valuable and I continue to use some of those tips as I am 18+ years into my career.    Over the years I have started to present at conferences and having this skill has been a great boost for my career.  With all of the engineers I mentor, I advise them to work on improving this skill as it really helps out in many areas.    Best of luck, Sol  PS I was actually interviewed on a website about this issue and its importance to engineers.  I am not sharing the link to the YouTube video here so that I don't get accused of spamming.  However, send me a PM and I'll forward the link.","human_ref_B":"Build social capital. Don\u2019t burn bridges. Continue to develop soft skills. Learn to read the landscape.  The technical stuff is obvious it\u2019s the soft skills that are the differentiators.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1160.0,"score_ratio":1.1666666667}
{"post_id":"cy41eb","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Advice from experienced engineers Engineers with 20 to 30 years experience - What is one piece of advice you would give to someone  who has ~5 to 10 years experience being an engineer ?","c_root_id_A":"eyq3ggb","c_root_id_B":"eypzcx4","created_at_utc_A":1567322930,"created_at_utc_B":1567317312,"score_A":32,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"Don't say \"no\" to a job. I've had more than one field open up wide for me all because I took on a job that others refused. One was a complicated mix of mechanical and electrical engineering - nobody wanted to do it because they felt they didn't know enough to take it on. Fast forward a decade and I'm the company's subject matter expert on the topic.  The other job I didn't say \"no\" to allowed me to take on a totally new and different set of work all because I took on the job that my peers considered \"beneath\" them. It looks like that one will bring in at least a year of work for myself and a few other people with the potential for it to last *decades* if we play our cards right. If I had said no to it like they did, my group would have never even had this work in the first place!  As others have mentioned, make good connections. Don't screw people over or belittle them - even the ones that might deserve it. Kill em with kindness is a good mantra to have. That thing you are angry about will probably blow over in a couple days anyway. Having people actually *want* to work with you makes your life easier.  When you screw up: own up to it - do not place blame on others, even if they might share some of it.   People remember when you take responsibility for things. One of the few times I did blow my top on some guy I had just started work with, I quickly realized I looked like a horses ass and apologized to him in-person, in front of others. Nothing dramatic, just told him I was out of line and apologized. I have continued to work with this guy for over a decade and he has treated me fairly and we have even built a good rapport (he's now a manager!) despite getting off to such a horrible start. I doubt he would treat me this way had I not apologized to him.","human_ref_B":"Generally there is a common theme between senior VP and director levels and it\u2019s to volunteer and take advantage of every opportunity.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5618.0,"score_ratio":2.2857142857}
{"post_id":"cy41eb","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Advice from experienced engineers Engineers with 20 to 30 years experience - What is one piece of advice you would give to someone  who has ~5 to 10 years experience being an engineer ?","c_root_id_A":"eyq3ggb","c_root_id_B":"eyq3086","created_at_utc_A":1567322930,"created_at_utc_B":1567322261,"score_A":32,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"Don't say \"no\" to a job. I've had more than one field open up wide for me all because I took on a job that others refused. One was a complicated mix of mechanical and electrical engineering - nobody wanted to do it because they felt they didn't know enough to take it on. Fast forward a decade and I'm the company's subject matter expert on the topic.  The other job I didn't say \"no\" to allowed me to take on a totally new and different set of work all because I took on the job that my peers considered \"beneath\" them. It looks like that one will bring in at least a year of work for myself and a few other people with the potential for it to last *decades* if we play our cards right. If I had said no to it like they did, my group would have never even had this work in the first place!  As others have mentioned, make good connections. Don't screw people over or belittle them - even the ones that might deserve it. Kill em with kindness is a good mantra to have. That thing you are angry about will probably blow over in a couple days anyway. Having people actually *want* to work with you makes your life easier.  When you screw up: own up to it - do not place blame on others, even if they might share some of it.   People remember when you take responsibility for things. One of the few times I did blow my top on some guy I had just started work with, I quickly realized I looked like a horses ass and apologized to him in-person, in front of others. Nothing dramatic, just told him I was out of line and apologized. I have continued to work with this guy for over a decade and he has treated me fairly and we have even built a good rapport (he's now a manager!) despite getting off to such a horrible start. I doubt he would treat me this way had I not apologized to him.","human_ref_B":"Become proficient at project management. One of the biggest expectations of management is being able to deliver a project on time, provide status updates, due dates, and accurately assess risks and opportunities. There are many certificate programs for project management. Take one and start learning and appling the concepts to your job.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":669.0,"score_ratio":3.2}
{"post_id":"cy41eb","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Advice from experienced engineers Engineers with 20 to 30 years experience - What is one piece of advice you would give to someone  who has ~5 to 10 years experience being an engineer ?","c_root_id_A":"eyq3ggb","c_root_id_B":"eyq33gj","created_at_utc_A":1567322930,"created_at_utc_B":1567322393,"score_A":32,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"Don't say \"no\" to a job. I've had more than one field open up wide for me all because I took on a job that others refused. One was a complicated mix of mechanical and electrical engineering - nobody wanted to do it because they felt they didn't know enough to take it on. Fast forward a decade and I'm the company's subject matter expert on the topic.  The other job I didn't say \"no\" to allowed me to take on a totally new and different set of work all because I took on the job that my peers considered \"beneath\" them. It looks like that one will bring in at least a year of work for myself and a few other people with the potential for it to last *decades* if we play our cards right. If I had said no to it like they did, my group would have never even had this work in the first place!  As others have mentioned, make good connections. Don't screw people over or belittle them - even the ones that might deserve it. Kill em with kindness is a good mantra to have. That thing you are angry about will probably blow over in a couple days anyway. Having people actually *want* to work with you makes your life easier.  When you screw up: own up to it - do not place blame on others, even if they might share some of it.   People remember when you take responsibility for things. One of the few times I did blow my top on some guy I had just started work with, I quickly realized I looked like a horses ass and apologized to him in-person, in front of others. Nothing dramatic, just told him I was out of line and apologized. I have continued to work with this guy for over a decade and he has treated me fairly and we have even built a good rapport (he's now a manager!) despite getting off to such a horrible start. I doubt he would treat me this way had I not apologized to him.","human_ref_B":"Don't allow anyone to abuse you.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":537.0,"score_ratio":3.2}
{"post_id":"cy41eb","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Advice from experienced engineers Engineers with 20 to 30 years experience - What is one piece of advice you would give to someone  who has ~5 to 10 years experience being an engineer ?","c_root_id_A":"eyq3086","c_root_id_B":"eyq7lky","created_at_utc_A":1567322261,"created_at_utc_B":1567329538,"score_A":10,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"Become proficient at project management. One of the biggest expectations of management is being able to deliver a project on time, provide status updates, due dates, and accurately assess risks and opportunities. There are many certificate programs for project management. Take one and start learning and appling the concepts to your job.","human_ref_B":"Don't stay in a job you hate. It will suck the life out of you. A job you enjoy will impact your life positively in many ways.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7277.0,"score_ratio":1.2}
{"post_id":"cy41eb","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Advice from experienced engineers Engineers with 20 to 30 years experience - What is one piece of advice you would give to someone  who has ~5 to 10 years experience being an engineer ?","c_root_id_A":"eyq33gj","c_root_id_B":"eyq7lky","created_at_utc_A":1567322393,"created_at_utc_B":1567329538,"score_A":10,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"Don't allow anyone to abuse you.","human_ref_B":"Don't stay in a job you hate. It will suck the life out of you. A job you enjoy will impact your life positively in many ways.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7145.0,"score_ratio":1.2}
{"post_id":"qu9dln","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"How to achieve work-life balance as an Engineer? Hi all,   I (M25 - Australia) have worked as a mech engineer (manufacturing and machine design) for about 2 years. I left at the start of this year to pursue another career path (teaching), as I felt my youth was being wasted in an office cubicle.   I am having a change of heart as I realise that I love engineering work, and am pretty good at it. I just do not love the 40 hour weeks and only having 4 weeks holiday a year to achieve what I want to outside of my career.   Are there any ways to get better career\/life balance with the \u201climited\u201d experience I have? Is it possible to start an engineering business without 10+ years experience and registered professional status?   Advice and wisdom much appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"hkowwda","c_root_id_B":"hkpvoa3","created_at_utc_A":1636958149,"created_at_utc_B":1636983912,"score_A":13,"score_B":24,"human_ref_A":"Work 4x10s.  Much better having 3 days off every week.","human_ref_B":">only having 4 weeks holiday a year to achieve   As an American, thanks for the kick straight to the balls.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":25763.0,"score_ratio":1.8461538462}
{"post_id":"qu9dln","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"How to achieve work-life balance as an Engineer? Hi all,   I (M25 - Australia) have worked as a mech engineer (manufacturing and machine design) for about 2 years. I left at the start of this year to pursue another career path (teaching), as I felt my youth was being wasted in an office cubicle.   I am having a change of heart as I realise that I love engineering work, and am pretty good at it. I just do not love the 40 hour weeks and only having 4 weeks holiday a year to achieve what I want to outside of my career.   Are there any ways to get better career\/life balance with the \u201climited\u201d experience I have? Is it possible to start an engineering business without 10+ years experience and registered professional status?   Advice and wisdom much appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"hkpfzrk","c_root_id_B":"hkpvoa3","created_at_utc_A":1636973690,"created_at_utc_B":1636983912,"score_A":6,"score_B":24,"human_ref_A":"4 weeks vacation and straight 40 a week seems pretty typical for a professional in most of the western world I\u2019d guess. Do you expect better hours as a teacher? How much do you WANT to work?   It\u2019s all about money. You can probably work part time at a coffee shop and clock much less than 40 a week - why don\u2019t you do that? I suspect there\u2019s a baseline income you need to be comfortable given your lifestyle, so the question is less about work life balance and more about \u201chow can I achieve the average hourly rate I need?\u201d   To be rather blunt - you\u2019ve got two years work experience. You have a very narrow view of what engineering entails overall, and you\u2019ve already decided to jump ship by enrolling in a masters program. What made you do that? The cubicle? CAD? There are MANY engineering jobs - have you considered trying to secure another sort of role?","human_ref_B":">only having 4 weeks holiday a year to achieve   As an American, thanks for the kick straight to the balls.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10222.0,"score_ratio":4.0}
{"post_id":"cszxw1","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Engineers, do you regret studying engineering\/your discipline? What would you change if given the chance?","c_root_id_A":"exi2duf","c_root_id_B":"exie7fj","created_at_utc_A":1566319608,"created_at_utc_B":1566326507,"score_A":16,"score_B":20,"human_ref_A":"Did Mechanical, don't think I'd change a thing. I've had opportunities to do design and manufacturing engineering, work on things that have gone up to the space station, work on racecars, do some travel, software engineering and analyst work, marketing materials and magazine ads, you name it. Love the diversity and opportunities.","human_ref_B":"If I could do it all over again, I'd get my eyes fixed and go be a pilot I think.  The thing I probably hate the most about being an engineer is going on the engineering subreddits and seeing this question almost daily, though.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6899.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"cszxw1","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Engineers, do you regret studying engineering\/your discipline? What would you change if given the chance?","c_root_id_A":"exhs919","c_root_id_B":"exie7fj","created_at_utc_A":1566312912,"created_at_utc_B":1566326507,"score_A":11,"score_B":20,"human_ref_A":"I'd have taken a minor in something that I enjoyed, like writing or something. I'm not an artistic person in the sense of being able to draw by hand or sculpt, but I can write fairly well and I used to enjoy doing so creatively. It's hard to get back into that habit now.  I don't particularly regret studying engineering; it's afforded me the life I hoped for and was exactly as I expected, so I wouldn't change that aspect. I'm good at what I do and the challenges are what keep the job interesting to me.  I might not have gone for a 4 + 1 though, or at least I'd have fought harder to make sure my university upheld their end of the deal.","human_ref_B":"If I could do it all over again, I'd get my eyes fixed and go be a pilot I think.  The thing I probably hate the most about being an engineer is going on the engineering subreddits and seeing this question almost daily, though.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":13595.0,"score_ratio":1.8181818182}
{"post_id":"cszxw1","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Engineers, do you regret studying engineering\/your discipline? What would you change if given the chance?","c_root_id_A":"exie7fj","c_root_id_B":"exhvpp9","created_at_utc_A":1566326507,"created_at_utc_B":1566315248,"score_A":20,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"If I could do it all over again, I'd get my eyes fixed and go be a pilot I think.  The thing I probably hate the most about being an engineer is going on the engineering subreddits and seeing this question almost daily, though.","human_ref_B":"Electrical Engineer. Yes, I regret my choice everyday. I would go back and do a combo of CS and Math.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":11259.0,"score_ratio":3.3333333333}
{"post_id":"cszxw1","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Engineers, do you regret studying engineering\/your discipline? What would you change if given the chance?","c_root_id_A":"exhzviz","c_root_id_B":"exie7fj","created_at_utc_A":1566318001,"created_at_utc_B":1566326507,"score_A":3,"score_B":20,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019m a mechanical engineer & 100% regret it. I would have gone to school for something I\u2019m actually passionate about ; criminal justice, forensics.","human_ref_B":"If I could do it all over again, I'd get my eyes fixed and go be a pilot I think.  The thing I probably hate the most about being an engineer is going on the engineering subreddits and seeing this question almost daily, though.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8506.0,"score_ratio":6.6666666667}
{"post_id":"cszxw1","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Engineers, do you regret studying engineering\/your discipline? What would you change if given the chance?","c_root_id_A":"exi1w5g","c_root_id_B":"exie7fj","created_at_utc_A":1566319297,"created_at_utc_B":1566326507,"score_A":3,"score_B":20,"human_ref_A":"Looking back, I would have gone into CS or Comp Engineering\/EE.  It's not that I really regret studying ME or that I think it's bad in some way. It's been a rewarding 20 years. I just think I'd have enjoyed the work more.  Though, had I done that, I'd probably be telling you that I should have done ME.","human_ref_B":"If I could do it all over again, I'd get my eyes fixed and go be a pilot I think.  The thing I probably hate the most about being an engineer is going on the engineering subreddits and seeing this question almost daily, though.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7210.0,"score_ratio":6.6666666667}
{"post_id":"cszxw1","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Engineers, do you regret studying engineering\/your discipline? What would you change if given the chance?","c_root_id_A":"exie7fj","c_root_id_B":"exid2d1","created_at_utc_A":1566326507,"created_at_utc_B":1566325838,"score_A":20,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"If I could do it all over again, I'd get my eyes fixed and go be a pilot I think.  The thing I probably hate the most about being an engineer is going on the engineering subreddits and seeing this question almost daily, though.","human_ref_B":"I enjoy my job (6fig, work from home).  But I probably would have pursued law if I had it to do all over again. If nothing else I would file frivolous lawsuits against verizon and charter until they paid me to leave them alone.   At this point the ROI doesn't justify changing careers.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":669.0,"score_ratio":6.6666666667}
{"post_id":"cszxw1","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Engineers, do you regret studying engineering\/your discipline? What would you change if given the chance?","c_root_id_A":"exhzx0g","c_root_id_B":"exie7fj","created_at_utc_A":1566318028,"created_at_utc_B":1566326507,"score_A":3,"score_B":20,"human_ref_A":"I'd probably do engineering, but I don't think I'd do mechanical again. I was chasing race cars, and then I learned what a crappy job most race car engineering is (unless you're at the top; I knew a F1 engineer and his job was awesome). Most of the jobs in mechanical are building weapons... and I didn't want to spend my life trying to figure out ways to kill people. Sure, there are lots of jobs that aren't, but I graduated into the Great Recession, and the only ones hiring were military contractors. I'm in a good place now, and did a lot of cool stuff along the way; but the payoff isn't proportional to the effort required. I didn't go into it for the money, so I don't regret it, per-se. But I think something like 2\/3 of my graduating class either got out of the field or got their MBAs within a decade of graduating.","human_ref_B":"If I could do it all over again, I'd get my eyes fixed and go be a pilot I think.  The thing I probably hate the most about being an engineer is going on the engineering subreddits and seeing this question almost daily, though.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8479.0,"score_ratio":6.6666666667}
{"post_id":"cszxw1","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Engineers, do you regret studying engineering\/your discipline? What would you change if given the chance?","c_root_id_A":"exhs919","c_root_id_B":"exi2duf","created_at_utc_A":1566312912,"created_at_utc_B":1566319608,"score_A":11,"score_B":16,"human_ref_A":"I'd have taken a minor in something that I enjoyed, like writing or something. I'm not an artistic person in the sense of being able to draw by hand or sculpt, but I can write fairly well and I used to enjoy doing so creatively. It's hard to get back into that habit now.  I don't particularly regret studying engineering; it's afforded me the life I hoped for and was exactly as I expected, so I wouldn't change that aspect. I'm good at what I do and the challenges are what keep the job interesting to me.  I might not have gone for a 4 + 1 though, or at least I'd have fought harder to make sure my university upheld their end of the deal.","human_ref_B":"Did Mechanical, don't think I'd change a thing. I've had opportunities to do design and manufacturing engineering, work on things that have gone up to the space station, work on racecars, do some travel, software engineering and analyst work, marketing materials and magazine ads, you name it. Love the diversity and opportunities.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6696.0,"score_ratio":1.4545454545}
{"post_id":"cszxw1","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Engineers, do you regret studying engineering\/your discipline? What would you change if given the chance?","c_root_id_A":"exhvpp9","c_root_id_B":"exi2duf","created_at_utc_A":1566315248,"created_at_utc_B":1566319608,"score_A":6,"score_B":16,"human_ref_A":"Electrical Engineer. Yes, I regret my choice everyday. I would go back and do a combo of CS and Math.","human_ref_B":"Did Mechanical, don't think I'd change a thing. I've had opportunities to do design and manufacturing engineering, work on things that have gone up to the space station, work on racecars, do some travel, software engineering and analyst work, marketing materials and magazine ads, you name it. Love the diversity and opportunities.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4360.0,"score_ratio":2.6666666667}
{"post_id":"cszxw1","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Engineers, do you regret studying engineering\/your discipline? What would you change if given the chance?","c_root_id_A":"exi2duf","c_root_id_B":"exhzviz","created_at_utc_A":1566319608,"created_at_utc_B":1566318001,"score_A":16,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Did Mechanical, don't think I'd change a thing. I've had opportunities to do design and manufacturing engineering, work on things that have gone up to the space station, work on racecars, do some travel, software engineering and analyst work, marketing materials and magazine ads, you name it. Love the diversity and opportunities.","human_ref_B":"I\u2019m a mechanical engineer & 100% regret it. I would have gone to school for something I\u2019m actually passionate about ; criminal justice, forensics.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1607.0,"score_ratio":5.3333333333}
{"post_id":"cszxw1","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Engineers, do you regret studying engineering\/your discipline? What would you change if given the chance?","c_root_id_A":"exi1w5g","c_root_id_B":"exi2duf","created_at_utc_A":1566319297,"created_at_utc_B":1566319608,"score_A":3,"score_B":16,"human_ref_A":"Looking back, I would have gone into CS or Comp Engineering\/EE.  It's not that I really regret studying ME or that I think it's bad in some way. It's been a rewarding 20 years. I just think I'd have enjoyed the work more.  Though, had I done that, I'd probably be telling you that I should have done ME.","human_ref_B":"Did Mechanical, don't think I'd change a thing. I've had opportunities to do design and manufacturing engineering, work on things that have gone up to the space station, work on racecars, do some travel, software engineering and analyst work, marketing materials and magazine ads, you name it. Love the diversity and opportunities.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":311.0,"score_ratio":5.3333333333}
{"post_id":"cszxw1","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Engineers, do you regret studying engineering\/your discipline? What would you change if given the chance?","c_root_id_A":"exhzx0g","c_root_id_B":"exi2duf","created_at_utc_A":1566318028,"created_at_utc_B":1566319608,"score_A":3,"score_B":16,"human_ref_A":"I'd probably do engineering, but I don't think I'd do mechanical again. I was chasing race cars, and then I learned what a crappy job most race car engineering is (unless you're at the top; I knew a F1 engineer and his job was awesome). Most of the jobs in mechanical are building weapons... and I didn't want to spend my life trying to figure out ways to kill people. Sure, there are lots of jobs that aren't, but I graduated into the Great Recession, and the only ones hiring were military contractors. I'm in a good place now, and did a lot of cool stuff along the way; but the payoff isn't proportional to the effort required. I didn't go into it for the money, so I don't regret it, per-se. But I think something like 2\/3 of my graduating class either got out of the field or got their MBAs within a decade of graduating.","human_ref_B":"Did Mechanical, don't think I'd change a thing. I've had opportunities to do design and manufacturing engineering, work on things that have gone up to the space station, work on racecars, do some travel, software engineering and analyst work, marketing materials and magazine ads, you name it. Love the diversity and opportunities.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1580.0,"score_ratio":5.3333333333}
{"post_id":"cszxw1","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Engineers, do you regret studying engineering\/your discipline? What would you change if given the chance?","c_root_id_A":"exih8ur","c_root_id_B":"exhvpp9","created_at_utc_A":1566328282,"created_at_utc_B":1566315248,"score_A":10,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"yes, software engineering, I want to write\/troubleshoot code and I want more flexibility with working remotely.","human_ref_B":"Electrical Engineer. Yes, I regret my choice everyday. I would go back and do a combo of CS and Math.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":13034.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"cszxw1","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Engineers, do you regret studying engineering\/your discipline? What would you change if given the chance?","c_root_id_A":"exhzviz","c_root_id_B":"exih8ur","created_at_utc_A":1566318001,"created_at_utc_B":1566328282,"score_A":3,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019m a mechanical engineer & 100% regret it. I would have gone to school for something I\u2019m actually passionate about ; criminal justice, forensics.","human_ref_B":"yes, software engineering, I want to write\/troubleshoot code and I want more flexibility with working remotely.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10281.0,"score_ratio":3.3333333333}
{"post_id":"cszxw1","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Engineers, do you regret studying engineering\/your discipline? What would you change if given the chance?","c_root_id_A":"exih8ur","c_root_id_B":"exi1w5g","created_at_utc_A":1566328282,"created_at_utc_B":1566319297,"score_A":10,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"yes, software engineering, I want to write\/troubleshoot code and I want more flexibility with working remotely.","human_ref_B":"Looking back, I would have gone into CS or Comp Engineering\/EE.  It's not that I really regret studying ME or that I think it's bad in some way. It's been a rewarding 20 years. I just think I'd have enjoyed the work more.  Though, had I done that, I'd probably be telling you that I should have done ME.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8985.0,"score_ratio":3.3333333333}
{"post_id":"cszxw1","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Engineers, do you regret studying engineering\/your discipline? What would you change if given the chance?","c_root_id_A":"exih8ur","c_root_id_B":"exid2d1","created_at_utc_A":1566328282,"created_at_utc_B":1566325838,"score_A":10,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"yes, software engineering, I want to write\/troubleshoot code and I want more flexibility with working remotely.","human_ref_B":"I enjoy my job (6fig, work from home).  But I probably would have pursued law if I had it to do all over again. If nothing else I would file frivolous lawsuits against verizon and charter until they paid me to leave them alone.   At this point the ROI doesn't justify changing careers.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2444.0,"score_ratio":3.3333333333}
{"post_id":"cszxw1","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Engineers, do you regret studying engineering\/your discipline? What would you change if given the chance?","c_root_id_A":"exhzx0g","c_root_id_B":"exih8ur","created_at_utc_A":1566318028,"created_at_utc_B":1566328282,"score_A":3,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"I'd probably do engineering, but I don't think I'd do mechanical again. I was chasing race cars, and then I learned what a crappy job most race car engineering is (unless you're at the top; I knew a F1 engineer and his job was awesome). Most of the jobs in mechanical are building weapons... and I didn't want to spend my life trying to figure out ways to kill people. Sure, there are lots of jobs that aren't, but I graduated into the Great Recession, and the only ones hiring were military contractors. I'm in a good place now, and did a lot of cool stuff along the way; but the payoff isn't proportional to the effort required. I didn't go into it for the money, so I don't regret it, per-se. But I think something like 2\/3 of my graduating class either got out of the field or got their MBAs within a decade of graduating.","human_ref_B":"yes, software engineering, I want to write\/troubleshoot code and I want more flexibility with working remotely.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10254.0,"score_ratio":3.3333333333}
{"post_id":"cszxw1","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Engineers, do you regret studying engineering\/your discipline? What would you change if given the chance?","c_root_id_A":"exinhhc","c_root_id_B":"exhzviz","created_at_utc_A":1566331851,"created_at_utc_B":1566318001,"score_A":6,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Majored in EE, work in software, no regrets. My EE background lets me feel comfortable with more than just software, and I got enough software exposure to work in software, which allows me to work in a comfy office working like 30 hour weeks with good pay and benefits.","human_ref_B":"I\u2019m a mechanical engineer & 100% regret it. I would have gone to school for something I\u2019m actually passionate about ; criminal justice, forensics.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":13850.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"cszxw1","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Engineers, do you regret studying engineering\/your discipline? What would you change if given the chance?","c_root_id_A":"exinhhc","c_root_id_B":"exi1w5g","created_at_utc_A":1566331851,"created_at_utc_B":1566319297,"score_A":6,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Majored in EE, work in software, no regrets. My EE background lets me feel comfortable with more than just software, and I got enough software exposure to work in software, which allows me to work in a comfy office working like 30 hour weeks with good pay and benefits.","human_ref_B":"Looking back, I would have gone into CS or Comp Engineering\/EE.  It's not that I really regret studying ME or that I think it's bad in some way. It's been a rewarding 20 years. I just think I'd have enjoyed the work more.  Though, had I done that, I'd probably be telling you that I should have done ME.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":12554.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"cszxw1","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Engineers, do you regret studying engineering\/your discipline? What would you change if given the chance?","c_root_id_A":"exid2d1","c_root_id_B":"exinhhc","created_at_utc_A":1566325838,"created_at_utc_B":1566331851,"score_A":3,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"I enjoy my job (6fig, work from home).  But I probably would have pursued law if I had it to do all over again. If nothing else I would file frivolous lawsuits against verizon and charter until they paid me to leave them alone.   At this point the ROI doesn't justify changing careers.","human_ref_B":"Majored in EE, work in software, no regrets. My EE background lets me feel comfortable with more than just software, and I got enough software exposure to work in software, which allows me to work in a comfy office working like 30 hour weeks with good pay and benefits.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6013.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"cszxw1","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Engineers, do you regret studying engineering\/your discipline? What would you change if given the chance?","c_root_id_A":"exinhhc","c_root_id_B":"exhzx0g","created_at_utc_A":1566331851,"created_at_utc_B":1566318028,"score_A":6,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Majored in EE, work in software, no regrets. My EE background lets me feel comfortable with more than just software, and I got enough software exposure to work in software, which allows me to work in a comfy office working like 30 hour weeks with good pay and benefits.","human_ref_B":"I'd probably do engineering, but I don't think I'd do mechanical again. I was chasing race cars, and then I learned what a crappy job most race car engineering is (unless you're at the top; I knew a F1 engineer and his job was awesome). Most of the jobs in mechanical are building weapons... and I didn't want to spend my life trying to figure out ways to kill people. Sure, there are lots of jobs that aren't, but I graduated into the Great Recession, and the only ones hiring were military contractors. I'm in a good place now, and did a lot of cool stuff along the way; but the payoff isn't proportional to the effort required. I didn't go into it for the money, so I don't regret it, per-se. But I think something like 2\/3 of my graduating class either got out of the field or got their MBAs within a decade of graduating.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":13823.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"i6c5cq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"I work at an \u201cEngineering\u201d company, but I\u2019m beginning to question if what I\u2019m doing is actually engineering I just completed my first year as an agricultural engineering student. At my school the program can be thought of as a blend of Civil and Mechanical engineering curriculum. I work at a company that has engineering in its name but no P.E.s work there. Out of the 6 \u201cengineers\u201d 3 graduated college in mechanical engineering, and the other 3, including the lead mechanical engineer, didn\u2019t go to college for engineering.   We develop packaging machinery, but most of it involves pumping out drawing modifications to pre existing designs, drafting. It obviously wouldn\u2019t make sense to not reuse existing designs, but to be frank, there is absolutely no time for R&D for new machines. I am an absolute animal at Solidworks and AutoCAD, and I create a fair share of custom sheet metal parts and assemblies that involve some engineering so to speak. I know some of the engineers calculate static loads to make sure the machines do not place too much weight on any one leg\/support. When it comes to selecting pumps, engines and gear boxes, everyone has been doing it for so long they know what horse power and torque specifications are needed, so no calculations are really involved there.   I honestly thought going into this job it would involve more calculations, granted I am an intern, therefore I wouldn\u2019t really be tasked with doing them, but even the mechanical engineers there that went to college say they employee their engineering knowledge about 5% of the time.   Is this what I can expect from other companies or are practices like this few and far in between?","c_root_id_A":"g0v3nb2","c_root_id_B":"g0v0blk","created_at_utc_A":1596949161,"created_at_utc_B":1596946734,"score_A":33,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"What you've described is a mature company in a maintenance business model. They have a product line that doesn't need improvement, and will stay in business based off that line. They don't have product line growth on the horizon because it simply doesn't make business sense according to their current plan.  There are other companies on the other end of the spectrum. Consultant, startup, contract design, positioned for aggressive growth, that will throw you into a more exciting subject matter. Those are the ones you want to work for.  Being new to the company and new to engineering, you also won't get to do any of the real engineering stuff for quite awhile after starting. You need to be taught, because school doesn't teach you the most important stuff","human_ref_B":"My experience with engineering: Only less than 10% of graduates end up doing actual engineering, remaining graduates are there so that they can understand the terminology and how actual engineers made things so they can follow their orders or make small adjustments.   And I think that's a good enough system. I just don't like people thinking if you have same engineering as someone then you are basically same as them.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2427.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"i6c5cq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"I work at an \u201cEngineering\u201d company, but I\u2019m beginning to question if what I\u2019m doing is actually engineering I just completed my first year as an agricultural engineering student. At my school the program can be thought of as a blend of Civil and Mechanical engineering curriculum. I work at a company that has engineering in its name but no P.E.s work there. Out of the 6 \u201cengineers\u201d 3 graduated college in mechanical engineering, and the other 3, including the lead mechanical engineer, didn\u2019t go to college for engineering.   We develop packaging machinery, but most of it involves pumping out drawing modifications to pre existing designs, drafting. It obviously wouldn\u2019t make sense to not reuse existing designs, but to be frank, there is absolutely no time for R&D for new machines. I am an absolute animal at Solidworks and AutoCAD, and I create a fair share of custom sheet metal parts and assemblies that involve some engineering so to speak. I know some of the engineers calculate static loads to make sure the machines do not place too much weight on any one leg\/support. When it comes to selecting pumps, engines and gear boxes, everyone has been doing it for so long they know what horse power and torque specifications are needed, so no calculations are really involved there.   I honestly thought going into this job it would involve more calculations, granted I am an intern, therefore I wouldn\u2019t really be tasked with doing them, but even the mechanical engineers there that went to college say they employee their engineering knowledge about 5% of the time.   Is this what I can expect from other companies or are practices like this few and far in between?","c_root_id_A":"g0va7ud","c_root_id_B":"g0vx3r2","created_at_utc_A":1596954497,"created_at_utc_B":1596976648,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Do you want to get a PE some day? If so, this work experience will likely not qualify. If that's a goal of yours, you might consider finding a job where you do work under a PE.  Otherwise, if you enjoy the work you do, I don't think it matters if it's \"engineering\" or not. It seems like this job may have a ceiling on how much experience & skills you'll get out of it. Up to you to decide if that ceiling is too low or not.","human_ref_B":"Sounds like a place you could work for 40 years without much trouble, less stress, stability, modest salary. Nothing wrong with that, but if you want to do more, don\u2019t wait 7 years to move when you\u2019ve lost your college education from not using it.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":22151.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"3pqxt5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"I've heard that undergraduate engineers have a tendency to glamorize design and gloss over other engineering roles. I'm an undergrad and currently can't imagine not going into design. Can anyone explain the appeal of other engineering roles? Apologies if this is too much of a career question but I figured since it's not specific to any particular situation it should be ok.","c_root_id_A":"cw8ref8","c_root_id_B":"cw8qrgw","created_at_utc_A":1445517933,"created_at_utc_B":1445516315,"score_A":78,"score_B":45,"human_ref_A":"I can definitely relate to this question- as an undergrad, I always assumed I'd be \/ want to be a design engineer. After all, it's the sexiest, right? This is not what happened.  I'm a test engineer: I break things for a living. And my job does involve a fair amount of design, but I generally have 100% control over my products. I design and build test setups for anything imaginable for consumer products. Example- if your thing has a handle, I tell you how many times it can be picked off before the handle falls off.  This starts by reverse-engineering the use case of the handle- how does a human pick it up and set it down. Then, do I replicate that with pneumatics, servos, etc. Then building the setup, and using an arduino, PLC, or other to do control. Then setting up automatic data collection.  I basically build single-purpose robots that don't have to be cosmetically pretty. It's a lot of fun and I get to use hot glue more than a professional should be allowed. I made test setups that involved Tupperware that were still in use five years later.  And if I want to change something, I generally just do it. Maybe some math, maybe a one hour design review, but minimal red tape.  **Adding on- I used a product handle as an example, and I've done that one, but it's a boring example. My job has made me an expert in *some really weird topics,* and this is part of the fun. I'll try to anonymize this a bit, but suffice to say that I'm an expert in some flooring surfaces. And experiments done with metal coatings on the space station. And what wigs are made out of.","human_ref_B":"What other \"engineering roles\" are you referring to?  I think the tendency prior to actually working in engineering is to think that design is all you would do in a design role. The vast majority of the work you'll do is paperwork, no matter what role you choose. It's also pretty rare to even do real fundamental design as a new engineer.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1618.0,"score_ratio":1.7333333333}
{"post_id":"3pqxt5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"I've heard that undergraduate engineers have a tendency to glamorize design and gloss over other engineering roles. I'm an undergrad and currently can't imagine not going into design. Can anyone explain the appeal of other engineering roles? Apologies if this is too much of a career question but I figured since it's not specific to any particular situation it should be ok.","c_root_id_A":"cw8ref8","c_root_id_B":"cw8rbau","created_at_utc_A":1445517933,"created_at_utc_B":1445517723,"score_A":78,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"I can definitely relate to this question- as an undergrad, I always assumed I'd be \/ want to be a design engineer. After all, it's the sexiest, right? This is not what happened.  I'm a test engineer: I break things for a living. And my job does involve a fair amount of design, but I generally have 100% control over my products. I design and build test setups for anything imaginable for consumer products. Example- if your thing has a handle, I tell you how many times it can be picked off before the handle falls off.  This starts by reverse-engineering the use case of the handle- how does a human pick it up and set it down. Then, do I replicate that with pneumatics, servos, etc. Then building the setup, and using an arduino, PLC, or other to do control. Then setting up automatic data collection.  I basically build single-purpose robots that don't have to be cosmetically pretty. It's a lot of fun and I get to use hot glue more than a professional should be allowed. I made test setups that involved Tupperware that were still in use five years later.  And if I want to change something, I generally just do it. Maybe some math, maybe a one hour design review, but minimal red tape.  **Adding on- I used a product handle as an example, and I've done that one, but it's a boring example. My job has made me an expert in *some really weird topics,* and this is part of the fun. I'll try to anonymize this a bit, but suffice to say that I'm an expert in some flooring surfaces. And experiments done with metal coatings on the space station. And what wigs are made out of.","human_ref_B":"Calibration engineer, play with test cars and go on test trips.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":210.0,"score_ratio":11.1428571429}
{"post_id":"3pqxt5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"I've heard that undergraduate engineers have a tendency to glamorize design and gloss over other engineering roles. I'm an undergrad and currently can't imagine not going into design. Can anyone explain the appeal of other engineering roles? Apologies if this is too much of a career question but I figured since it's not specific to any particular situation it should be ok.","c_root_id_A":"cw8rr23","c_root_id_B":"cw8rvh3","created_at_utc_A":1445518731,"created_at_utc_B":1445519010,"score_A":7,"score_B":36,"human_ref_A":"Field engineering\/troubleshooting gets you out of the office which is always nice.  Prior to what I do now, I worked in machine shops\/automation.  Actually getting to work on equipment instead of just designing it is pretty nice.  My automation teacher said it best when he said just because your title doesn't say design, doesn't mean you're not an engineer.  Your biggest asset to a company is being able to do whatever technical application they need you to do, be it design, trouble shooting, or face to face with customers in regards to sales.","human_ref_B":"Test (evt\/fvt\/qa) - Get paid to create experiments, build test fixtures, and break things (sometimes spectacularly - fire, vibration, impact,  esd, etc). Investigate why things go wrong.   Systems - Get paid to decide what other people design and make sure it is defined well enough to be safe and effective.  Mfg\/process - all the fun of building stuff without the frustration design can sometimes bring.  PM\/management\/technical leads - keep people on task, keep people appropriately informed, and guide the design direction while doing less off the brunt work.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":279.0,"score_ratio":5.1428571429}
{"post_id":"3pqxt5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"I've heard that undergraduate engineers have a tendency to glamorize design and gloss over other engineering roles. I'm an undergrad and currently can't imagine not going into design. Can anyone explain the appeal of other engineering roles? Apologies if this is too much of a career question but I figured since it's not specific to any particular situation it should be ok.","c_root_id_A":"cw8rvh3","c_root_id_B":"cw8rbau","created_at_utc_A":1445519010,"created_at_utc_B":1445517723,"score_A":36,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Test (evt\/fvt\/qa) - Get paid to create experiments, build test fixtures, and break things (sometimes spectacularly - fire, vibration, impact,  esd, etc). Investigate why things go wrong.   Systems - Get paid to decide what other people design and make sure it is defined well enough to be safe and effective.  Mfg\/process - all the fun of building stuff without the frustration design can sometimes bring.  PM\/management\/technical leads - keep people on task, keep people appropriately informed, and guide the design direction while doing less off the brunt work.","human_ref_B":"Calibration engineer, play with test cars and go on test trips.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1287.0,"score_ratio":5.1428571429}
{"post_id":"3pqxt5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"I've heard that undergraduate engineers have a tendency to glamorize design and gloss over other engineering roles. I'm an undergrad and currently can't imagine not going into design. Can anyone explain the appeal of other engineering roles? Apologies if this is too much of a career question but I figured since it's not specific to any particular situation it should be ok.","c_root_id_A":"cw8rihq","c_root_id_B":"cw8rvh3","created_at_utc_A":1445518195,"created_at_utc_B":1445519010,"score_A":8,"score_B":36,"human_ref_A":"I'm a mechanical and I did a masters. After I finished that I did research for a couple of years at a small lab doing contract work for companies. Now I'm an engineer in operations at a power company.  I've done design, experimentation\/lab work\/building, research, and now I do a little technical work with a lot of supervision and management.  I found I didn't like research or being in the lab. You only see a small number of people, you do the same tests over and over, it frequently doesn't work, stuff breaks all the time so you end up having to fix a thermocouple again, everything is custom, and it will literally always take longer than you plan, but the big thing is that the results go into a powerpoint you send and never see again. At the same time, there are people who love it. I haven't quite gotten in the groove of how engineering research works--I can do regular science with definite tests and controls or history research but engineering research is too slippery or something.  I did design in that. It's ok. Nothing sexy so it was just design. I found I like whole systems and big stuff. There were people from my lab group who went on to work at companies that only make single components of systems and that'd drive me nuts. It's like it's boring to focus on one little piece. I guess you design it to whatever specs as best as possible? That doesn't interest me.  At my company the field engineering (interacting with customers, taking measurements, designing most stuff) is unionized at my company so I can't touch it but I answer the field engineers' questions and direct them. The field engineers are basically 'estimators' so I have to know as much as possible about natural gas and our policies and technical info and make decisions when they get a weird case. I watch over the systems and come up with system improvements and check designs to keep things robust. I stand in as a construction supervisor over the crews when needed. I get to work with all sorts of people all day. I can go out in the field and hang out with the crews and that's encouraged. I run giant projects. There's a massive amount of variety and there is a bit of ego-stroking where I'm at. I'm right below the dozen big bosses of the division out of over 300 people. This is my calling and I love it.  Also my company has a big corporate gas group that does transmission with 50 or more engineers totally in offices. I was talking to the bosses around me about careers and basically they said anyone can be a desk engineer but having people skills as an engineer is special. And at utilities engineers can go technical or into management and become bosses. So that's my experience with different roles. Also in research I never worked with money which felt weird. Now at a utility everything is hours and dollars.","human_ref_B":"Test (evt\/fvt\/qa) - Get paid to create experiments, build test fixtures, and break things (sometimes spectacularly - fire, vibration, impact,  esd, etc). Investigate why things go wrong.   Systems - Get paid to decide what other people design and make sure it is defined well enough to be safe and effective.  Mfg\/process - all the fun of building stuff without the frustration design can sometimes bring.  PM\/management\/technical leads - keep people on task, keep people appropriately informed, and guide the design direction while doing less off the brunt work.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":815.0,"score_ratio":4.5}
{"post_id":"3pqxt5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"I've heard that undergraduate engineers have a tendency to glamorize design and gloss over other engineering roles. I'm an undergrad and currently can't imagine not going into design. Can anyone explain the appeal of other engineering roles? Apologies if this is too much of a career question but I figured since it's not specific to any particular situation it should be ok.","c_root_id_A":"cw8rr23","c_root_id_B":"cw8v148","created_at_utc_A":1445518731,"created_at_utc_B":1445524714,"score_A":7,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"Field engineering\/troubleshooting gets you out of the office which is always nice.  Prior to what I do now, I worked in machine shops\/automation.  Actually getting to work on equipment instead of just designing it is pretty nice.  My automation teacher said it best when he said just because your title doesn't say design, doesn't mean you're not an engineer.  Your biggest asset to a company is being able to do whatever technical application they need you to do, be it design, trouble shooting, or face to face with customers in regards to sales.","human_ref_B":"I graduated with an BSME and dreamed of designing weapons for a military contractor. Then, one day near the end of my college career I went to the career fair just to check things out. Ran into a company that manufactures lubricants. Now I'm a CLS certified lube engineer. I look over all types of different kinds of equipment and use my knowledge to figure out the ideal lubricant for it. Also get to figure out lubricant for new designs and do failure analysis. Lots of field work and traveling (which I enjoy), not a ton of design work (I had to admit to myself I'm not a design engineer that can sit in front of a CAD program all day), and I'm in a field that is somewhat \"unknown\", but very important to large industry. Also get to do some reliability engineering work too, helping guys at all kinds of plants (think: refineries, large cold storage refrigeration systems, etc.etc.) get more reliability out of their machines and, hopefully, less energy consumption. I really enjoy my job, but do think I may have pigeon-hole'd myself a bit. Make decent money, but nothing to go crazy over, only 2 years out of college. It works for me... but I do try to keep my eye out for bigger and better things all the time.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5983.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"3pqxt5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"I've heard that undergraduate engineers have a tendency to glamorize design and gloss over other engineering roles. I'm an undergrad and currently can't imagine not going into design. Can anyone explain the appeal of other engineering roles? Apologies if this is too much of a career question but I figured since it's not specific to any particular situation it should be ok.","c_root_id_A":"cw8rbau","c_root_id_B":"cw8v148","created_at_utc_A":1445517723,"created_at_utc_B":1445524714,"score_A":7,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"Calibration engineer, play with test cars and go on test trips.","human_ref_B":"I graduated with an BSME and dreamed of designing weapons for a military contractor. Then, one day near the end of my college career I went to the career fair just to check things out. Ran into a company that manufactures lubricants. Now I'm a CLS certified lube engineer. I look over all types of different kinds of equipment and use my knowledge to figure out the ideal lubricant for it. Also get to figure out lubricant for new designs and do failure analysis. Lots of field work and traveling (which I enjoy), not a ton of design work (I had to admit to myself I'm not a design engineer that can sit in front of a CAD program all day), and I'm in a field that is somewhat \"unknown\", but very important to large industry. Also get to do some reliability engineering work too, helping guys at all kinds of plants (think: refineries, large cold storage refrigeration systems, etc.etc.) get more reliability out of their machines and, hopefully, less energy consumption. I really enjoy my job, but do think I may have pigeon-hole'd myself a bit. Make decent money, but nothing to go crazy over, only 2 years out of college. It works for me... but I do try to keep my eye out for bigger and better things all the time.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6991.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"3pqxt5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"I've heard that undergraduate engineers have a tendency to glamorize design and gloss over other engineering roles. I'm an undergrad and currently can't imagine not going into design. Can anyone explain the appeal of other engineering roles? Apologies if this is too much of a career question but I figured since it's not specific to any particular situation it should be ok.","c_root_id_A":"cw8rihq","c_root_id_B":"cw8v148","created_at_utc_A":1445518195,"created_at_utc_B":1445524714,"score_A":8,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"I'm a mechanical and I did a masters. After I finished that I did research for a couple of years at a small lab doing contract work for companies. Now I'm an engineer in operations at a power company.  I've done design, experimentation\/lab work\/building, research, and now I do a little technical work with a lot of supervision and management.  I found I didn't like research or being in the lab. You only see a small number of people, you do the same tests over and over, it frequently doesn't work, stuff breaks all the time so you end up having to fix a thermocouple again, everything is custom, and it will literally always take longer than you plan, but the big thing is that the results go into a powerpoint you send and never see again. At the same time, there are people who love it. I haven't quite gotten in the groove of how engineering research works--I can do regular science with definite tests and controls or history research but engineering research is too slippery or something.  I did design in that. It's ok. Nothing sexy so it was just design. I found I like whole systems and big stuff. There were people from my lab group who went on to work at companies that only make single components of systems and that'd drive me nuts. It's like it's boring to focus on one little piece. I guess you design it to whatever specs as best as possible? That doesn't interest me.  At my company the field engineering (interacting with customers, taking measurements, designing most stuff) is unionized at my company so I can't touch it but I answer the field engineers' questions and direct them. The field engineers are basically 'estimators' so I have to know as much as possible about natural gas and our policies and technical info and make decisions when they get a weird case. I watch over the systems and come up with system improvements and check designs to keep things robust. I stand in as a construction supervisor over the crews when needed. I get to work with all sorts of people all day. I can go out in the field and hang out with the crews and that's encouraged. I run giant projects. There's a massive amount of variety and there is a bit of ego-stroking where I'm at. I'm right below the dozen big bosses of the division out of over 300 people. This is my calling and I love it.  Also my company has a big corporate gas group that does transmission with 50 or more engineers totally in offices. I was talking to the bosses around me about careers and basically they said anyone can be a desk engineer but having people skills as an engineer is special. And at utilities engineers can go technical or into management and become bosses. So that's my experience with different roles. Also in research I never worked with money which felt weird. Now at a utility everything is hours and dollars.","human_ref_B":"I graduated with an BSME and dreamed of designing weapons for a military contractor. Then, one day near the end of my college career I went to the career fair just to check things out. Ran into a company that manufactures lubricants. Now I'm a CLS certified lube engineer. I look over all types of different kinds of equipment and use my knowledge to figure out the ideal lubricant for it. Also get to figure out lubricant for new designs and do failure analysis. Lots of field work and traveling (which I enjoy), not a ton of design work (I had to admit to myself I'm not a design engineer that can sit in front of a CAD program all day), and I'm in a field that is somewhat \"unknown\", but very important to large industry. Also get to do some reliability engineering work too, helping guys at all kinds of plants (think: refineries, large cold storage refrigeration systems, etc.etc.) get more reliability out of their machines and, hopefully, less energy consumption. I really enjoy my job, but do think I may have pigeon-hole'd myself a bit. Make decent money, but nothing to go crazy over, only 2 years out of college. It works for me... but I do try to keep my eye out for bigger and better things all the time.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6519.0,"score_ratio":1.75}
{"post_id":"3pqxt5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"I've heard that undergraduate engineers have a tendency to glamorize design and gloss over other engineering roles. I'm an undergrad and currently can't imagine not going into design. Can anyone explain the appeal of other engineering roles? Apologies if this is too much of a career question but I figured since it's not specific to any particular situation it should be ok.","c_root_id_A":"cw8t1rl","c_root_id_B":"cw8v148","created_at_utc_A":1445521378,"created_at_utc_B":1445524714,"score_A":4,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"Have you ever had to actually build anything using your design documents exclusively? I garauntee you forgot to mention something, or one of your design assumptions wasn't valid.    As a Field Engineer, I'm the guy who makes it work while maintaining your design intent.    Here's a very real example: I was building an L shaped drainage structure, about 20ft tall, and 100ft on each leg, reinforced concrete monolith in a drainage Basin. Except the legs weren't at 90 degrees like every other structure nobody cares about, these were set at 106deg,32min,46sec.   That's not exactly a standard form size, and measuring something with that level of precision on a Class D (shit-tier) structure simply isn't going to happen.  So I have to work out the changes and be the one to officially \"round\" every dimension.","human_ref_B":"I graduated with an BSME and dreamed of designing weapons for a military contractor. Then, one day near the end of my college career I went to the career fair just to check things out. Ran into a company that manufactures lubricants. Now I'm a CLS certified lube engineer. I look over all types of different kinds of equipment and use my knowledge to figure out the ideal lubricant for it. Also get to figure out lubricant for new designs and do failure analysis. Lots of field work and traveling (which I enjoy), not a ton of design work (I had to admit to myself I'm not a design engineer that can sit in front of a CAD program all day), and I'm in a field that is somewhat \"unknown\", but very important to large industry. Also get to do some reliability engineering work too, helping guys at all kinds of plants (think: refineries, large cold storage refrigeration systems, etc.etc.) get more reliability out of their machines and, hopefully, less energy consumption. I really enjoy my job, but do think I may have pigeon-hole'd myself a bit. Make decent money, but nothing to go crazy over, only 2 years out of college. It works for me... but I do try to keep my eye out for bigger and better things all the time.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3336.0,"score_ratio":3.5}
{"post_id":"3pqxt5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"I've heard that undergraduate engineers have a tendency to glamorize design and gloss over other engineering roles. I'm an undergrad and currently can't imagine not going into design. Can anyone explain the appeal of other engineering roles? Apologies if this is too much of a career question but I figured since it's not specific to any particular situation it should be ok.","c_root_id_A":"cw8rr23","c_root_id_B":"cw8vl5z","created_at_utc_A":1445518731,"created_at_utc_B":1445525573,"score_A":7,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"Field engineering\/troubleshooting gets you out of the office which is always nice.  Prior to what I do now, I worked in machine shops\/automation.  Actually getting to work on equipment instead of just designing it is pretty nice.  My automation teacher said it best when he said just because your title doesn't say design, doesn't mean you're not an engineer.  Your biggest asset to a company is being able to do whatever technical application they need you to do, be it design, trouble shooting, or face to face with customers in regards to sales.","human_ref_B":"Structural engineer here. In school I thought I was going to design big ass bridges and huge buildings I thought this was the shit. Then you realize that it gets pretty repetitive: a big building is just a bunch of small systems. I figured out that what I liked was the process, not the math. Fitting all parts, all disciplines, together. Now design is only a very small part of what I do. Best way to put it would be to say I'm as much a fixer as a designer. People come to me with a problem project, which might involve  design (need a single beam, it was forgotten on the original plan, now we're half built) or might be something completely out of my field (ie. Trouble with the lot grading getting approved: the city won't budge), and I break it down and bring the parties together to get the construction rolling again. Of course I still do typical design projects,  but they're not where my expertise is...anyone can design a building (jk).","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6842.0,"score_ratio":1.4285714286}
{"post_id":"3pqxt5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"I've heard that undergraduate engineers have a tendency to glamorize design and gloss over other engineering roles. I'm an undergrad and currently can't imagine not going into design. Can anyone explain the appeal of other engineering roles? Apologies if this is too much of a career question but I figured since it's not specific to any particular situation it should be ok.","c_root_id_A":"cw8vl5z","c_root_id_B":"cw8rbau","created_at_utc_A":1445525573,"created_at_utc_B":1445517723,"score_A":10,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Structural engineer here. In school I thought I was going to design big ass bridges and huge buildings I thought this was the shit. Then you realize that it gets pretty repetitive: a big building is just a bunch of small systems. I figured out that what I liked was the process, not the math. Fitting all parts, all disciplines, together. Now design is only a very small part of what I do. Best way to put it would be to say I'm as much a fixer as a designer. People come to me with a problem project, which might involve  design (need a single beam, it was forgotten on the original plan, now we're half built) or might be something completely out of my field (ie. Trouble with the lot grading getting approved: the city won't budge), and I break it down and bring the parties together to get the construction rolling again. Of course I still do typical design projects,  but they're not where my expertise is...anyone can design a building (jk).","human_ref_B":"Calibration engineer, play with test cars and go on test trips.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7850.0,"score_ratio":1.4285714286}
{"post_id":"3pqxt5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"I've heard that undergraduate engineers have a tendency to glamorize design and gloss over other engineering roles. I'm an undergrad and currently can't imagine not going into design. Can anyone explain the appeal of other engineering roles? Apologies if this is too much of a career question but I figured since it's not specific to any particular situation it should be ok.","c_root_id_A":"cw8vl5z","c_root_id_B":"cw8rihq","created_at_utc_A":1445525573,"created_at_utc_B":1445518195,"score_A":10,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"Structural engineer here. In school I thought I was going to design big ass bridges and huge buildings I thought this was the shit. Then you realize that it gets pretty repetitive: a big building is just a bunch of small systems. I figured out that what I liked was the process, not the math. Fitting all parts, all disciplines, together. Now design is only a very small part of what I do. Best way to put it would be to say I'm as much a fixer as a designer. People come to me with a problem project, which might involve  design (need a single beam, it was forgotten on the original plan, now we're half built) or might be something completely out of my field (ie. Trouble with the lot grading getting approved: the city won't budge), and I break it down and bring the parties together to get the construction rolling again. Of course I still do typical design projects,  but they're not where my expertise is...anyone can design a building (jk).","human_ref_B":"I'm a mechanical and I did a masters. After I finished that I did research for a couple of years at a small lab doing contract work for companies. Now I'm an engineer in operations at a power company.  I've done design, experimentation\/lab work\/building, research, and now I do a little technical work with a lot of supervision and management.  I found I didn't like research or being in the lab. You only see a small number of people, you do the same tests over and over, it frequently doesn't work, stuff breaks all the time so you end up having to fix a thermocouple again, everything is custom, and it will literally always take longer than you plan, but the big thing is that the results go into a powerpoint you send and never see again. At the same time, there are people who love it. I haven't quite gotten in the groove of how engineering research works--I can do regular science with definite tests and controls or history research but engineering research is too slippery or something.  I did design in that. It's ok. Nothing sexy so it was just design. I found I like whole systems and big stuff. There were people from my lab group who went on to work at companies that only make single components of systems and that'd drive me nuts. It's like it's boring to focus on one little piece. I guess you design it to whatever specs as best as possible? That doesn't interest me.  At my company the field engineering (interacting with customers, taking measurements, designing most stuff) is unionized at my company so I can't touch it but I answer the field engineers' questions and direct them. The field engineers are basically 'estimators' so I have to know as much as possible about natural gas and our policies and technical info and make decisions when they get a weird case. I watch over the systems and come up with system improvements and check designs to keep things robust. I stand in as a construction supervisor over the crews when needed. I get to work with all sorts of people all day. I can go out in the field and hang out with the crews and that's encouraged. I run giant projects. There's a massive amount of variety and there is a bit of ego-stroking where I'm at. I'm right below the dozen big bosses of the division out of over 300 people. This is my calling and I love it.  Also my company has a big corporate gas group that does transmission with 50 or more engineers totally in offices. I was talking to the bosses around me about careers and basically they said anyone can be a desk engineer but having people skills as an engineer is special. And at utilities engineers can go technical or into management and become bosses. So that's my experience with different roles. Also in research I never worked with money which felt weird. Now at a utility everything is hours and dollars.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7378.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"3pqxt5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"I've heard that undergraduate engineers have a tendency to glamorize design and gloss over other engineering roles. I'm an undergrad and currently can't imagine not going into design. Can anyone explain the appeal of other engineering roles? Apologies if this is too much of a career question but I figured since it's not specific to any particular situation it should be ok.","c_root_id_A":"cw8t1rl","c_root_id_B":"cw8vl5z","created_at_utc_A":1445521378,"created_at_utc_B":1445525573,"score_A":4,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"Have you ever had to actually build anything using your design documents exclusively? I garauntee you forgot to mention something, or one of your design assumptions wasn't valid.    As a Field Engineer, I'm the guy who makes it work while maintaining your design intent.    Here's a very real example: I was building an L shaped drainage structure, about 20ft tall, and 100ft on each leg, reinforced concrete monolith in a drainage Basin. Except the legs weren't at 90 degrees like every other structure nobody cares about, these were set at 106deg,32min,46sec.   That's not exactly a standard form size, and measuring something with that level of precision on a Class D (shit-tier) structure simply isn't going to happen.  So I have to work out the changes and be the one to officially \"round\" every dimension.","human_ref_B":"Structural engineer here. In school I thought I was going to design big ass bridges and huge buildings I thought this was the shit. Then you realize that it gets pretty repetitive: a big building is just a bunch of small systems. I figured out that what I liked was the process, not the math. Fitting all parts, all disciplines, together. Now design is only a very small part of what I do. Best way to put it would be to say I'm as much a fixer as a designer. People come to me with a problem project, which might involve  design (need a single beam, it was forgotten on the original plan, now we're half built) or might be something completely out of my field (ie. Trouble with the lot grading getting approved: the city won't budge), and I break it down and bring the parties together to get the construction rolling again. Of course I still do typical design projects,  but they're not where my expertise is...anyone can design a building (jk).","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4195.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"3pqxt5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"I've heard that undergraduate engineers have a tendency to glamorize design and gloss over other engineering roles. I'm an undergrad and currently can't imagine not going into design. Can anyone explain the appeal of other engineering roles? Apologies if this is too much of a career question but I figured since it's not specific to any particular situation it should be ok.","c_root_id_A":"cw8vheo","c_root_id_B":"cw8vl5z","created_at_utc_A":1445525416,"created_at_utc_B":1445525573,"score_A":3,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"I am a Mechanical undergrad and the engineering position I was in for my internship, and plan to continue post gradation has little to no design. I am a race\/data\/track\/performance engineer for professional race teams. I handle the collection and analysis of data from the car, strategy, and assist in set up. There are design engineers in the racing field and while I work closely with them most of the time in-between races is figuring out how to improve either from a strategy, driver, crew, and car standpoint.","human_ref_B":"Structural engineer here. In school I thought I was going to design big ass bridges and huge buildings I thought this was the shit. Then you realize that it gets pretty repetitive: a big building is just a bunch of small systems. I figured out that what I liked was the process, not the math. Fitting all parts, all disciplines, together. Now design is only a very small part of what I do. Best way to put it would be to say I'm as much a fixer as a designer. People come to me with a problem project, which might involve  design (need a single beam, it was forgotten on the original plan, now we're half built) or might be something completely out of my field (ie. Trouble with the lot grading getting approved: the city won't budge), and I break it down and bring the parties together to get the construction rolling again. Of course I still do typical design projects,  but they're not where my expertise is...anyone can design a building (jk).","labels":0,"seconds_difference":157.0,"score_ratio":3.3333333333}
{"post_id":"3pqxt5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"I've heard that undergraduate engineers have a tendency to glamorize design and gloss over other engineering roles. I'm an undergrad and currently can't imagine not going into design. Can anyone explain the appeal of other engineering roles? Apologies if this is too much of a career question but I figured since it's not specific to any particular situation it should be ok.","c_root_id_A":"cw919r1","c_root_id_B":"cw8rr23","created_at_utc_A":1445533896,"created_at_utc_B":1445518731,"score_A":9,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Sales engineer. No cube work, no getting drown in tedious details, relatively little paperwork, get to work with cool people on a crazy breadth of projects, get to make a direct impact multiple times a day, pays a solid 30+% more than most other engineering jobs. Tons of other benefits as well, but the biggest thing is the incredibly dynamic environment.   Many design engineering jobs seem super boring and restrictive to me.","human_ref_B":"Field engineering\/troubleshooting gets you out of the office which is always nice.  Prior to what I do now, I worked in machine shops\/automation.  Actually getting to work on equipment instead of just designing it is pretty nice.  My automation teacher said it best when he said just because your title doesn't say design, doesn't mean you're not an engineer.  Your biggest asset to a company is being able to do whatever technical application they need you to do, be it design, trouble shooting, or face to face with customers in regards to sales.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":15165.0,"score_ratio":1.2857142857}
{"post_id":"3pqxt5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"I've heard that undergraduate engineers have a tendency to glamorize design and gloss over other engineering roles. I'm an undergrad and currently can't imagine not going into design. Can anyone explain the appeal of other engineering roles? Apologies if this is too much of a career question but I figured since it's not specific to any particular situation it should be ok.","c_root_id_A":"cw8rbau","c_root_id_B":"cw919r1","created_at_utc_A":1445517723,"created_at_utc_B":1445533896,"score_A":7,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Calibration engineer, play with test cars and go on test trips.","human_ref_B":"Sales engineer. No cube work, no getting drown in tedious details, relatively little paperwork, get to work with cool people on a crazy breadth of projects, get to make a direct impact multiple times a day, pays a solid 30+% more than most other engineering jobs. Tons of other benefits as well, but the biggest thing is the incredibly dynamic environment.   Many design engineering jobs seem super boring and restrictive to me.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":16173.0,"score_ratio":1.2857142857}
{"post_id":"3pqxt5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"I've heard that undergraduate engineers have a tendency to glamorize design and gloss over other engineering roles. I'm an undergrad and currently can't imagine not going into design. Can anyone explain the appeal of other engineering roles? Apologies if this is too much of a career question but I figured since it's not specific to any particular situation it should be ok.","c_root_id_A":"cw919r1","c_root_id_B":"cw8rihq","created_at_utc_A":1445533896,"created_at_utc_B":1445518195,"score_A":9,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"Sales engineer. No cube work, no getting drown in tedious details, relatively little paperwork, get to work with cool people on a crazy breadth of projects, get to make a direct impact multiple times a day, pays a solid 30+% more than most other engineering jobs. Tons of other benefits as well, but the biggest thing is the incredibly dynamic environment.   Many design engineering jobs seem super boring and restrictive to me.","human_ref_B":"I'm a mechanical and I did a masters. After I finished that I did research for a couple of years at a small lab doing contract work for companies. Now I'm an engineer in operations at a power company.  I've done design, experimentation\/lab work\/building, research, and now I do a little technical work with a lot of supervision and management.  I found I didn't like research or being in the lab. You only see a small number of people, you do the same tests over and over, it frequently doesn't work, stuff breaks all the time so you end up having to fix a thermocouple again, everything is custom, and it will literally always take longer than you plan, but the big thing is that the results go into a powerpoint you send and never see again. At the same time, there are people who love it. I haven't quite gotten in the groove of how engineering research works--I can do regular science with definite tests and controls or history research but engineering research is too slippery or something.  I did design in that. It's ok. Nothing sexy so it was just design. I found I like whole systems and big stuff. There were people from my lab group who went on to work at companies that only make single components of systems and that'd drive me nuts. It's like it's boring to focus on one little piece. I guess you design it to whatever specs as best as possible? That doesn't interest me.  At my company the field engineering (interacting with customers, taking measurements, designing most stuff) is unionized at my company so I can't touch it but I answer the field engineers' questions and direct them. The field engineers are basically 'estimators' so I have to know as much as possible about natural gas and our policies and technical info and make decisions when they get a weird case. I watch over the systems and come up with system improvements and check designs to keep things robust. I stand in as a construction supervisor over the crews when needed. I get to work with all sorts of people all day. I can go out in the field and hang out with the crews and that's encouraged. I run giant projects. There's a massive amount of variety and there is a bit of ego-stroking where I'm at. I'm right below the dozen big bosses of the division out of over 300 people. This is my calling and I love it.  Also my company has a big corporate gas group that does transmission with 50 or more engineers totally in offices. I was talking to the bosses around me about careers and basically they said anyone can be a desk engineer but having people skills as an engineer is special. And at utilities engineers can go technical or into management and become bosses. So that's my experience with different roles. Also in research I never worked with money which felt weird. Now at a utility everything is hours and dollars.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":15701.0,"score_ratio":1.125}
{"post_id":"3pqxt5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"I've heard that undergraduate engineers have a tendency to glamorize design and gloss over other engineering roles. I'm an undergrad and currently can't imagine not going into design. Can anyone explain the appeal of other engineering roles? Apologies if this is too much of a career question but I figured since it's not specific to any particular situation it should be ok.","c_root_id_A":"cw8t1rl","c_root_id_B":"cw919r1","created_at_utc_A":1445521378,"created_at_utc_B":1445533896,"score_A":4,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Have you ever had to actually build anything using your design documents exclusively? I garauntee you forgot to mention something, or one of your design assumptions wasn't valid.    As a Field Engineer, I'm the guy who makes it work while maintaining your design intent.    Here's a very real example: I was building an L shaped drainage structure, about 20ft tall, and 100ft on each leg, reinforced concrete monolith in a drainage Basin. Except the legs weren't at 90 degrees like every other structure nobody cares about, these were set at 106deg,32min,46sec.   That's not exactly a standard form size, and measuring something with that level of precision on a Class D (shit-tier) structure simply isn't going to happen.  So I have to work out the changes and be the one to officially \"round\" every dimension.","human_ref_B":"Sales engineer. No cube work, no getting drown in tedious details, relatively little paperwork, get to work with cool people on a crazy breadth of projects, get to make a direct impact multiple times a day, pays a solid 30+% more than most other engineering jobs. Tons of other benefits as well, but the biggest thing is the incredibly dynamic environment.   Many design engineering jobs seem super boring and restrictive to me.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":12518.0,"score_ratio":2.25}
{"post_id":"3pqxt5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"I've heard that undergraduate engineers have a tendency to glamorize design and gloss over other engineering roles. I'm an undergrad and currently can't imagine not going into design. Can anyone explain the appeal of other engineering roles? Apologies if this is too much of a career question but I figured since it's not specific to any particular situation it should be ok.","c_root_id_A":"cw919r1","c_root_id_B":"cw8vheo","created_at_utc_A":1445533896,"created_at_utc_B":1445525416,"score_A":9,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Sales engineer. No cube work, no getting drown in tedious details, relatively little paperwork, get to work with cool people on a crazy breadth of projects, get to make a direct impact multiple times a day, pays a solid 30+% more than most other engineering jobs. Tons of other benefits as well, but the biggest thing is the incredibly dynamic environment.   Many design engineering jobs seem super boring and restrictive to me.","human_ref_B":"I am a Mechanical undergrad and the engineering position I was in for my internship, and plan to continue post gradation has little to no design. I am a race\/data\/track\/performance engineer for professional race teams. I handle the collection and analysis of data from the car, strategy, and assist in set up. There are design engineers in the racing field and while I work closely with them most of the time in-between races is figuring out how to improve either from a strategy, driver, crew, and car standpoint.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8480.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"3pqxt5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"I've heard that undergraduate engineers have a tendency to glamorize design and gloss over other engineering roles. I'm an undergrad and currently can't imagine not going into design. Can anyone explain the appeal of other engineering roles? Apologies if this is too much of a career question but I figured since it's not specific to any particular situation it should be ok.","c_root_id_A":"cw8xbre","c_root_id_B":"cw919r1","created_at_utc_A":1445528180,"created_at_utc_B":1445533896,"score_A":2,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"I work in an aerospace crash testing lab, and although I do design, I'm the only one in the lab who does it even on a semi regular basis. Even then it's just simple fixtures for use on our sled.  Most of what we do is crash testing, data collection, and failure analysis for our clients.  The paperwork isn't even that bad since we have our standardized reports setup on macros.  We also work closely with our computational mechanics lab who specialize in computer simulations of dynamic events (mostly FEA).  They rarely do any design work, just analyze new and existing designs.  Some of their clients are also my clients, and what happens there is the client does the initial design work, then has Comp Mech do a computer simulation of a crash to help validate their design, and then the actual certification test gets done in the crash lab.  One thing I like about my job when it comes to design, I'm in aerospace and don't have to care about the end products weight.  The two primary   When I'm not at my desk designing test equipment, I'm setting up tests, helping clients prep their test articles, or repairing and re-calibrating the crash test dummies.","human_ref_B":"Sales engineer. No cube work, no getting drown in tedious details, relatively little paperwork, get to work with cool people on a crazy breadth of projects, get to make a direct impact multiple times a day, pays a solid 30+% more than most other engineering jobs. Tons of other benefits as well, but the biggest thing is the incredibly dynamic environment.   Many design engineering jobs seem super boring and restrictive to me.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5716.0,"score_ratio":4.5}
{"post_id":"3pqxt5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"I've heard that undergraduate engineers have a tendency to glamorize design and gloss over other engineering roles. I'm an undergrad and currently can't imagine not going into design. Can anyone explain the appeal of other engineering roles? Apologies if this is too much of a career question but I figured since it's not specific to any particular situation it should be ok.","c_root_id_A":"cw8rbau","c_root_id_B":"cw8rihq","created_at_utc_A":1445517723,"created_at_utc_B":1445518195,"score_A":7,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"Calibration engineer, play with test cars and go on test trips.","human_ref_B":"I'm a mechanical and I did a masters. After I finished that I did research for a couple of years at a small lab doing contract work for companies. Now I'm an engineer in operations at a power company.  I've done design, experimentation\/lab work\/building, research, and now I do a little technical work with a lot of supervision and management.  I found I didn't like research or being in the lab. You only see a small number of people, you do the same tests over and over, it frequently doesn't work, stuff breaks all the time so you end up having to fix a thermocouple again, everything is custom, and it will literally always take longer than you plan, but the big thing is that the results go into a powerpoint you send and never see again. At the same time, there are people who love it. I haven't quite gotten in the groove of how engineering research works--I can do regular science with definite tests and controls or history research but engineering research is too slippery or something.  I did design in that. It's ok. Nothing sexy so it was just design. I found I like whole systems and big stuff. There were people from my lab group who went on to work at companies that only make single components of systems and that'd drive me nuts. It's like it's boring to focus on one little piece. I guess you design it to whatever specs as best as possible? That doesn't interest me.  At my company the field engineering (interacting with customers, taking measurements, designing most stuff) is unionized at my company so I can't touch it but I answer the field engineers' questions and direct them. The field engineers are basically 'estimators' so I have to know as much as possible about natural gas and our policies and technical info and make decisions when they get a weird case. I watch over the systems and come up with system improvements and check designs to keep things robust. I stand in as a construction supervisor over the crews when needed. I get to work with all sorts of people all day. I can go out in the field and hang out with the crews and that's encouraged. I run giant projects. There's a massive amount of variety and there is a bit of ego-stroking where I'm at. I'm right below the dozen big bosses of the division out of over 300 people. This is my calling and I love it.  Also my company has a big corporate gas group that does transmission with 50 or more engineers totally in offices. I was talking to the bosses around me about careers and basically they said anyone can be a desk engineer but having people skills as an engineer is special. And at utilities engineers can go technical or into management and become bosses. So that's my experience with different roles. Also in research I never worked with money which felt weird. Now at a utility everything is hours and dollars.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":472.0,"score_ratio":1.1428571429}
{"post_id":"3pqxt5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"I've heard that undergraduate engineers have a tendency to glamorize design and gloss over other engineering roles. I'm an undergrad and currently can't imagine not going into design. Can anyone explain the appeal of other engineering roles? Apologies if this is too much of a career question but I figured since it's not specific to any particular situation it should be ok.","c_root_id_A":"cw97w5q","c_root_id_B":"cw8xbre","created_at_utc_A":1445543368,"created_at_utc_B":1445528180,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I think its a failure of undergrad education. I always realized there would be management but I never considered how truly complex systems got built. When you are working on a couple hundred million dollar program the design is a drop in the bucket. The systems engineering stuff (interface management, change control, requirements) is a huge part of the job.   I thought I would want to do design work my entire career but realized I'm not good enough when I graduated and am going to have a hard time getting the skills to do advanced design work but I have a good enough grasp of engineering and good at learning quickly to become a decent systems engineer.","human_ref_B":"I work in an aerospace crash testing lab, and although I do design, I'm the only one in the lab who does it even on a semi regular basis. Even then it's just simple fixtures for use on our sled.  Most of what we do is crash testing, data collection, and failure analysis for our clients.  The paperwork isn't even that bad since we have our standardized reports setup on macros.  We also work closely with our computational mechanics lab who specialize in computer simulations of dynamic events (mostly FEA).  They rarely do any design work, just analyze new and existing designs.  Some of their clients are also my clients, and what happens there is the client does the initial design work, then has Comp Mech do a computer simulation of a crash to help validate their design, and then the actual certification test gets done in the crash lab.  One thing I like about my job when it comes to design, I'm in aerospace and don't have to care about the end products weight.  The two primary   When I'm not at my desk designing test equipment, I'm setting up tests, helping clients prep their test articles, or repairing and re-calibrating the crash test dummies.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":15188.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"3pqxt5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"I've heard that undergraduate engineers have a tendency to glamorize design and gloss over other engineering roles. I'm an undergrad and currently can't imagine not going into design. Can anyone explain the appeal of other engineering roles? Apologies if this is too much of a career question but I figured since it's not specific to any particular situation it should be ok.","c_root_id_A":"cw8xbre","c_root_id_B":"cw95nyb","created_at_utc_A":1445528180,"created_at_utc_B":1445540190,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I work in an aerospace crash testing lab, and although I do design, I'm the only one in the lab who does it even on a semi regular basis. Even then it's just simple fixtures for use on our sled.  Most of what we do is crash testing, data collection, and failure analysis for our clients.  The paperwork isn't even that bad since we have our standardized reports setup on macros.  We also work closely with our computational mechanics lab who specialize in computer simulations of dynamic events (mostly FEA).  They rarely do any design work, just analyze new and existing designs.  Some of their clients are also my clients, and what happens there is the client does the initial design work, then has Comp Mech do a computer simulation of a crash to help validate their design, and then the actual certification test gets done in the crash lab.  One thing I like about my job when it comes to design, I'm in aerospace and don't have to care about the end products weight.  The two primary   When I'm not at my desk designing test equipment, I'm setting up tests, helping clients prep their test articles, or repairing and re-calibrating the crash test dummies.","human_ref_B":"When an undergrad thinks of design, they're probably thinking of engineering something big and wonderful (like a building or a bridge). The truth about design is that it's much more than running numbers and optimizing a system - you have to deal with clients, other design consultants, the public-at-large, bruised egos, etc. etc. Design is about arriving to a solution that is amenable and beneficial to all parties, not just scribbling calcs and preparing drawings. I've encountered too many designers that know nothing about dealing with clients and are unable to negotiate during design development.   tldr; design isn't about running numbers and creating drawings, it's about bringing the  team together to create a product that will incorporate the visions of the design team as a whole.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":12010.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"3pqxt5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"I've heard that undergraduate engineers have a tendency to glamorize design and gloss over other engineering roles. I'm an undergrad and currently can't imagine not going into design. Can anyone explain the appeal of other engineering roles? Apologies if this is too much of a career question but I figured since it's not specific to any particular situation it should be ok.","c_root_id_A":"cw9bwim","c_root_id_B":"cw8xbre","created_at_utc_A":1445549266,"created_at_utc_B":1445528180,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Stress analysis.   Always in demand and the work is fun, if you have the mind for it.    Also the materials guys seem to have a lot of fun. The history of engineering is the history of materials development.","human_ref_B":"I work in an aerospace crash testing lab, and although I do design, I'm the only one in the lab who does it even on a semi regular basis. Even then it's just simple fixtures for use on our sled.  Most of what we do is crash testing, data collection, and failure analysis for our clients.  The paperwork isn't even that bad since we have our standardized reports setup on macros.  We also work closely with our computational mechanics lab who specialize in computer simulations of dynamic events (mostly FEA).  They rarely do any design work, just analyze new and existing designs.  Some of their clients are also my clients, and what happens there is the client does the initial design work, then has Comp Mech do a computer simulation of a crash to help validate their design, and then the actual certification test gets done in the crash lab.  One thing I like about my job when it comes to design, I'm in aerospace and don't have to care about the end products weight.  The two primary   When I'm not at my desk designing test equipment, I'm setting up tests, helping clients prep their test articles, or repairing and re-calibrating the crash test dummies.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":21086.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"3pqxt5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"I've heard that undergraduate engineers have a tendency to glamorize design and gloss over other engineering roles. I'm an undergrad and currently can't imagine not going into design. Can anyone explain the appeal of other engineering roles? Apologies if this is too much of a career question but I figured since it's not specific to any particular situation it should be ok.","c_root_id_A":"cw8xbre","c_root_id_B":"cw9fsno","created_at_utc_A":1445528180,"created_at_utc_B":1445555640,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I work in an aerospace crash testing lab, and although I do design, I'm the only one in the lab who does it even on a semi regular basis. Even then it's just simple fixtures for use on our sled.  Most of what we do is crash testing, data collection, and failure analysis for our clients.  The paperwork isn't even that bad since we have our standardized reports setup on macros.  We also work closely with our computational mechanics lab who specialize in computer simulations of dynamic events (mostly FEA).  They rarely do any design work, just analyze new and existing designs.  Some of their clients are also my clients, and what happens there is the client does the initial design work, then has Comp Mech do a computer simulation of a crash to help validate their design, and then the actual certification test gets done in the crash lab.  One thing I like about my job when it comes to design, I'm in aerospace and don't have to care about the end products weight.  The two primary   When I'm not at my desk designing test equipment, I'm setting up tests, helping clients prep their test articles, or repairing and re-calibrating the crash test dummies.","human_ref_B":"I think the trick with most engineers (at least the ones that get into it for reasons other than \"my parents told me i would definitely get a decent job after college\") is that we are typically not satisfied just doing one thing. You might specialize in design, but you'll get a taste for other stuff as well.  Design is fun for a bit, but after a while, you get over it. Like a lot of people said, test engineers tend to be the ones that were pyros as kids and like to smash and crash things. That's a good gig if you're testing something interesting. Even uninteresting things become interesting when you start to extract numbers with tests. Like the guy that figured out that a BIC pen will write for 5 km or whatever. That's a neat thing to have figured out.  Manufacturing can be fun because you get to run machines that do cool stuff and a lot of times you may end up getting your hands dirty making stuff.  Quality engineers are fucking weird. I don't understand why anyone would want to do that boring-ass job.  Sales engineering is a good gig if you want to travel a bunch and meet interesting people. You have to be careful though, or else you just become a sales person, the engineer's worst nightmare.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":27460.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"3pqxt5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"I've heard that undergraduate engineers have a tendency to glamorize design and gloss over other engineering roles. I'm an undergrad and currently can't imagine not going into design. Can anyone explain the appeal of other engineering roles? Apologies if this is too much of a career question but I figured since it's not specific to any particular situation it should be ok.","c_root_id_A":"cw8xbre","c_root_id_B":"cw9l913","created_at_utc_A":1445528180,"created_at_utc_B":1445564877,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I work in an aerospace crash testing lab, and although I do design, I'm the only one in the lab who does it even on a semi regular basis. Even then it's just simple fixtures for use on our sled.  Most of what we do is crash testing, data collection, and failure analysis for our clients.  The paperwork isn't even that bad since we have our standardized reports setup on macros.  We also work closely with our computational mechanics lab who specialize in computer simulations of dynamic events (mostly FEA).  They rarely do any design work, just analyze new and existing designs.  Some of their clients are also my clients, and what happens there is the client does the initial design work, then has Comp Mech do a computer simulation of a crash to help validate their design, and then the actual certification test gets done in the crash lab.  One thing I like about my job when it comes to design, I'm in aerospace and don't have to care about the end products weight.  The two primary   When I'm not at my desk designing test equipment, I'm setting up tests, helping clients prep their test articles, or repairing and re-calibrating the crash test dummies.","human_ref_B":"I'm in design now so I'll give a couple reasons.   - Often you are rated by how quickly you solve a problem rather than how well.  - Can be very solitary.  - Not as much calculations as an analysis engineers  - Not as much lab time as test engineers  - Design cycles can be cyclic.  Not all companies can afford to be designing new products all the time.  Sometimes they just need to maintain what they are doing.  I had a friend who worked for a company that made diapers.  Now the actual design of the diaper itself isn't very interesting.  But the machine that *makes* the diaper is and thats where all the technology is.  So keeping that thing up and running is a lot more interesting than figuring out what cartoon to put on the front or whatever.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":36697.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"3pqxt5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"I've heard that undergraduate engineers have a tendency to glamorize design and gloss over other engineering roles. I'm an undergrad and currently can't imagine not going into design. Can anyone explain the appeal of other engineering roles? Apologies if this is too much of a career question but I figured since it's not specific to any particular situation it should be ok.","c_root_id_A":"cw8xbre","c_root_id_B":"cw9oxa5","created_at_utc_A":1445528180,"created_at_utc_B":1445571360,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I work in an aerospace crash testing lab, and although I do design, I'm the only one in the lab who does it even on a semi regular basis. Even then it's just simple fixtures for use on our sled.  Most of what we do is crash testing, data collection, and failure analysis for our clients.  The paperwork isn't even that bad since we have our standardized reports setup on macros.  We also work closely with our computational mechanics lab who specialize in computer simulations of dynamic events (mostly FEA).  They rarely do any design work, just analyze new and existing designs.  Some of their clients are also my clients, and what happens there is the client does the initial design work, then has Comp Mech do a computer simulation of a crash to help validate their design, and then the actual certification test gets done in the crash lab.  One thing I like about my job when it comes to design, I'm in aerospace and don't have to care about the end products weight.  The two primary   When I'm not at my desk designing test equipment, I'm setting up tests, helping clients prep their test articles, or repairing and re-calibrating the crash test dummies.","human_ref_B":"Seconding \/u\/mac_question ... test engineering affords you 10x the design burden of product engineering, if you are an EE.    The test equipment is better than the product by a factor of 10, and you are in the role of evaluator for years.  The effect on your perception is huge.  I think it's a great route into design engineering... much better than starting out there, in fact.    (i have 40 years+ in the field and I've seen every coverup and mistake you can imagine and not only had to prove I was right, but to develop the skills to politically deliver this news to people who might not want to hear it. )","labels":0,"seconds_difference":43180.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"2rd2p2","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.78,"history":"How do engineers unwind after work? I've been in an engineering role in a product development team for a little over a year, putting in a lot of 10 hour days, sometimes more, sometimes less. It's my first time in such a role, and my first job after earning my masters degree, and it's can stress me out. I'm curious about how other engineers unwind after work. I've tried video games, naps, reading, brewing, and cooking to help unwind before attending errands, chores, or luckily a personal project in my 4-6 hours of personal\/family time. What do other engineers do?","c_root_id_A":"cnesgh2","c_root_id_B":"cnet0nx","created_at_utc_A":1420430719,"created_at_utc_B":1420431859,"score_A":32,"score_B":52,"human_ref_A":"The same thing nonengineers do...whatever their hobbies are. Personally I work out, play video games, read or hang out with my girlfriend. I also go dancing one night a week.","human_ref_B":"Oldfart engineer here.  I can recommend a good woman and a good dog.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1140.0,"score_ratio":1.625}
{"post_id":"2rd2p2","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.78,"history":"How do engineers unwind after work? I've been in an engineering role in a product development team for a little over a year, putting in a lot of 10 hour days, sometimes more, sometimes less. It's my first time in such a role, and my first job after earning my masters degree, and it's can stress me out. I'm curious about how other engineers unwind after work. I've tried video games, naps, reading, brewing, and cooking to help unwind before attending errands, chores, or luckily a personal project in my 4-6 hours of personal\/family time. What do other engineers do?","c_root_id_A":"cnesol7","c_root_id_B":"cnet0nx","created_at_utc_A":1420431176,"created_at_utc_B":1420431859,"score_A":11,"score_B":52,"human_ref_A":"I have a fish tank with live plants and one beta. it is entertaining. His name is Daryl.","human_ref_B":"Oldfart engineer here.  I can recommend a good woman and a good dog.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":683.0,"score_ratio":4.7272727273}
{"post_id":"2rd2p2","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.78,"history":"How do engineers unwind after work? I've been in an engineering role in a product development team for a little over a year, putting in a lot of 10 hour days, sometimes more, sometimes less. It's my first time in such a role, and my first job after earning my masters degree, and it's can stress me out. I'm curious about how other engineers unwind after work. I've tried video games, naps, reading, brewing, and cooking to help unwind before attending errands, chores, or luckily a personal project in my 4-6 hours of personal\/family time. What do other engineers do?","c_root_id_A":"cnet0nx","c_root_id_B":"cneqzwh","created_at_utc_A":1420431859,"created_at_utc_B":1420427962,"score_A":52,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"Oldfart engineer here.  I can recommend a good woman and a good dog.","human_ref_B":"I usually go climbing, drink beer, or go line dancing. Sometimes all in the same night.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3897.0,"score_ratio":5.2}
{"post_id":"2rd2p2","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.78,"history":"How do engineers unwind after work? I've been in an engineering role in a product development team for a little over a year, putting in a lot of 10 hour days, sometimes more, sometimes less. It's my first time in such a role, and my first job after earning my masters degree, and it's can stress me out. I'm curious about how other engineers unwind after work. I've tried video games, naps, reading, brewing, and cooking to help unwind before attending errands, chores, or luckily a personal project in my 4-6 hours of personal\/family time. What do other engineers do?","c_root_id_A":"cneshdl","c_root_id_B":"cnet0nx","created_at_utc_A":1420430771,"created_at_utc_B":1420431859,"score_A":5,"score_B":52,"human_ref_A":"Some bourbon and music.  Also driving at night on empty roads.","human_ref_B":"Oldfart engineer here.  I can recommend a good woman and a good dog.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1088.0,"score_ratio":10.4}
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{"post_id":"2rd2p2","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.78,"history":"How do engineers unwind after work? I've been in an engineering role in a product development team for a little over a year, putting in a lot of 10 hour days, sometimes more, sometimes less. It's my first time in such a role, and my first job after earning my masters degree, and it's can stress me out. I'm curious about how other engineers unwind after work. I've tried video games, naps, reading, brewing, and cooking to help unwind before attending errands, chores, or luckily a personal project in my 4-6 hours of personal\/family time. What do other engineers do?","c_root_id_A":"cneqzwh","c_root_id_B":"cneqtzs","created_at_utc_A":1420427962,"created_at_utc_B":1420427641,"score_A":10,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"I usually go climbing, drink beer, or go line dancing. Sometimes all in the same night.","human_ref_B":"I sometimes work on a car project I've been wanting to finish for a while, or I play the drums, I do cardio, cook dinner, or sometimes watch Netflix. Usually it's Netflix.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":321.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
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{"post_id":"2rd2p2","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.78,"history":"How do engineers unwind after work? I've been in an engineering role in a product development team for a little over a year, putting in a lot of 10 hour days, sometimes more, sometimes less. It's my first time in such a role, and my first job after earning my masters degree, and it's can stress me out. I'm curious about how other engineers unwind after work. I've tried video games, naps, reading, brewing, and cooking to help unwind before attending errands, chores, or luckily a personal project in my 4-6 hours of personal\/family time. What do other engineers do?","c_root_id_A":"cnetdin","c_root_id_B":"cneqtzs","created_at_utc_A":1420432599,"created_at_utc_B":1420427641,"score_A":8,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Join a gym or a group activity. Hang out with non-engineers. You might consider checking out www.meetup.com","human_ref_B":"I sometimes work on a car project I've been wanting to finish for a while, or I play the drums, I do cardio, cook dinner, or sometimes watch Netflix. Usually it's Netflix.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4958.0,"score_ratio":1.6}
{"post_id":"2rd2p2","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.78,"history":"How do engineers unwind after work? I've been in an engineering role in a product development team for a little over a year, putting in a lot of 10 hour days, sometimes more, sometimes less. It's my first time in such a role, and my first job after earning my masters degree, and it's can stress me out. I'm curious about how other engineers unwind after work. I've tried video games, naps, reading, brewing, and cooking to help unwind before attending errands, chores, or luckily a personal project in my 4-6 hours of personal\/family time. What do other engineers do?","c_root_id_A":"cnerteg","c_root_id_B":"cnetdin","created_at_utc_A":1420429476,"created_at_utc_B":1420432599,"score_A":3,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"In the winter, my evenings are gym time.  During the summer, it's usually running, hiking, fishing, or brewing.  We relocated to a new state last year, and we're going to be buying our first house this spring, so I'm hoping to get back into off roading and working in my very own garage.","human_ref_B":"Join a gym or a group activity. Hang out with non-engineers. You might consider checking out www.meetup.com","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3123.0,"score_ratio":2.6666666667}
{"post_id":"2rd2p2","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.78,"history":"How do engineers unwind after work? I've been in an engineering role in a product development team for a little over a year, putting in a lot of 10 hour days, sometimes more, sometimes less. It's my first time in such a role, and my first job after earning my masters degree, and it's can stress me out. I'm curious about how other engineers unwind after work. I've tried video games, naps, reading, brewing, and cooking to help unwind before attending errands, chores, or luckily a personal project in my 4-6 hours of personal\/family time. What do other engineers do?","c_root_id_A":"cnes5l6","c_root_id_B":"cnetdin","created_at_utc_A":1420430130,"created_at_utc_B":1420432599,"score_A":3,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"In the mornings before work I'm at the gym.  I find it energizes me for a good ten hour workday.    After work I go for a decent run.  Maybe 2-6 miles, depending on the weather.  Then I cook dinner and pack lunch for the next day.  This pretty much takes all my waking hours, but being off most Fridays to play video games or hiking makes up for it!","human_ref_B":"Join a gym or a group activity. Hang out with non-engineers. You might consider checking out www.meetup.com","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2469.0,"score_ratio":2.6666666667}
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{"post_id":"2rd2p2","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.78,"history":"How do engineers unwind after work? I've been in an engineering role in a product development team for a little over a year, putting in a lot of 10 hour days, sometimes more, sometimes less. It's my first time in such a role, and my first job after earning my masters degree, and it's can stress me out. I'm curious about how other engineers unwind after work. I've tried video games, naps, reading, brewing, and cooking to help unwind before attending errands, chores, or luckily a personal project in my 4-6 hours of personal\/family time. What do other engineers do?","c_root_id_A":"cnes5l6","c_root_id_B":"cneshdl","created_at_utc_A":1420430130,"created_at_utc_B":1420430771,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"In the mornings before work I'm at the gym.  I find it energizes me for a good ten hour workday.    After work I go for a decent run.  Maybe 2-6 miles, depending on the weather.  Then I cook dinner and pack lunch for the next day.  This pretty much takes all my waking hours, but being off most Fridays to play video games or hiking makes up for it!","human_ref_B":"Some bourbon and music.  Also driving at night on empty roads.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":641.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
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{"post_id":"2rd2p2","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.78,"history":"How do engineers unwind after work? I've been in an engineering role in a product development team for a little over a year, putting in a lot of 10 hour days, sometimes more, sometimes less. It's my first time in such a role, and my first job after earning my masters degree, and it's can stress me out. I'm curious about how other engineers unwind after work. I've tried video games, naps, reading, brewing, and cooking to help unwind before attending errands, chores, or luckily a personal project in my 4-6 hours of personal\/family time. What do other engineers do?","c_root_id_A":"cneu21i","c_root_id_B":"cnerteg","created_at_utc_A":1420434040,"created_at_utc_B":1420429476,"score_A":6,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Skydiving, a lot of skydiving...","human_ref_B":"In the winter, my evenings are gym time.  During the summer, it's usually running, hiking, fishing, or brewing.  We relocated to a new state last year, and we're going to be buying our first house this spring, so I'm hoping to get back into off roading and working in my very own garage.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4564.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"2rd2p2","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.78,"history":"How do engineers unwind after work? I've been in an engineering role in a product development team for a little over a year, putting in a lot of 10 hour days, sometimes more, sometimes less. It's my first time in such a role, and my first job after earning my masters degree, and it's can stress me out. I'm curious about how other engineers unwind after work. I've tried video games, naps, reading, brewing, and cooking to help unwind before attending errands, chores, or luckily a personal project in my 4-6 hours of personal\/family time. What do other engineers do?","c_root_id_A":"cneu21i","c_root_id_B":"cnes5l6","created_at_utc_A":1420434040,"created_at_utc_B":1420430130,"score_A":6,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Skydiving, a lot of skydiving...","human_ref_B":"In the mornings before work I'm at the gym.  I find it energizes me for a good ten hour workday.    After work I go for a decent run.  Maybe 2-6 miles, depending on the weather.  Then I cook dinner and pack lunch for the next day.  This pretty much takes all my waking hours, but being off most Fridays to play video games or hiking makes up for it!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3910.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"2rd2p2","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.78,"history":"How do engineers unwind after work? I've been in an engineering role in a product development team for a little over a year, putting in a lot of 10 hour days, sometimes more, sometimes less. It's my first time in such a role, and my first job after earning my masters degree, and it's can stress me out. I'm curious about how other engineers unwind after work. I've tried video games, naps, reading, brewing, and cooking to help unwind before attending errands, chores, or luckily a personal project in my 4-6 hours of personal\/family time. What do other engineers do?","c_root_id_A":"cnerteg","c_root_id_B":"cnf0z9m","created_at_utc_A":1420429476,"created_at_utc_B":1420459048,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"In the winter, my evenings are gym time.  During the summer, it's usually running, hiking, fishing, or brewing.  We relocated to a new state last year, and we're going to be buying our first house this spring, so I'm hoping to get back into off roading and working in my very own garage.","human_ref_B":"More engineering.  Rockets, programming, completing my computer case.  It's all the fun of engineering with none of the stress since it is on your own time.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":29572.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"2rd2p2","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.78,"history":"How do engineers unwind after work? I've been in an engineering role in a product development team for a little over a year, putting in a lot of 10 hour days, sometimes more, sometimes less. It's my first time in such a role, and my first job after earning my masters degree, and it's can stress me out. I'm curious about how other engineers unwind after work. I've tried video games, naps, reading, brewing, and cooking to help unwind before attending errands, chores, or luckily a personal project in my 4-6 hours of personal\/family time. What do other engineers do?","c_root_id_A":"cnerteg","c_root_id_B":"cnfcym7","created_at_utc_A":1420429476,"created_at_utc_B":1420486558,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"In the winter, my evenings are gym time.  During the summer, it's usually running, hiking, fishing, or brewing.  We relocated to a new state last year, and we're going to be buying our first house this spring, so I'm hoping to get back into off roading and working in my very own garage.","human_ref_B":"Work on entrepreneurship so I can eventually stop engineering, hang out with the gf, workout, and watch youtube videos.  Oh and maintain a house.  That's basically a part time job in and of itself.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":57082.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"2rd2p2","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.78,"history":"How do engineers unwind after work? I've been in an engineering role in a product development team for a little over a year, putting in a lot of 10 hour days, sometimes more, sometimes less. It's my first time in such a role, and my first job after earning my masters degree, and it's can stress me out. I'm curious about how other engineers unwind after work. I've tried video games, naps, reading, brewing, and cooking to help unwind before attending errands, chores, or luckily a personal project in my 4-6 hours of personal\/family time. What do other engineers do?","c_root_id_A":"cnes5l6","c_root_id_B":"cnf0z9m","created_at_utc_A":1420430130,"created_at_utc_B":1420459048,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"In the mornings before work I'm at the gym.  I find it energizes me for a good ten hour workday.    After work I go for a decent run.  Maybe 2-6 miles, depending on the weather.  Then I cook dinner and pack lunch for the next day.  This pretty much takes all my waking hours, but being off most Fridays to play video games or hiking makes up for it!","human_ref_B":"More engineering.  Rockets, programming, completing my computer case.  It's all the fun of engineering with none of the stress since it is on your own time.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":28918.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"2rd2p2","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.78,"history":"How do engineers unwind after work? I've been in an engineering role in a product development team for a little over a year, putting in a lot of 10 hour days, sometimes more, sometimes less. It's my first time in such a role, and my first job after earning my masters degree, and it's can stress me out. I'm curious about how other engineers unwind after work. I've tried video games, naps, reading, brewing, and cooking to help unwind before attending errands, chores, or luckily a personal project in my 4-6 hours of personal\/family time. What do other engineers do?","c_root_id_A":"cnf0z9m","c_root_id_B":"cneumvy","created_at_utc_A":1420459048,"created_at_utc_B":1420435313,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"More engineering.  Rockets, programming, completing my computer case.  It's all the fun of engineering with none of the stress since it is on your own time.","human_ref_B":"I'll usually grab a beer or some bourbon and play a match or two of Dota 2.  After that I'll usually cook dinner with my girlfriend and on rare occasions organize some wires which I find oddly satisfying to do.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":23735.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"2rd2p2","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.78,"history":"How do engineers unwind after work? I've been in an engineering role in a product development team for a little over a year, putting in a lot of 10 hour days, sometimes more, sometimes less. It's my first time in such a role, and my first job after earning my masters degree, and it's can stress me out. I'm curious about how other engineers unwind after work. I've tried video games, naps, reading, brewing, and cooking to help unwind before attending errands, chores, or luckily a personal project in my 4-6 hours of personal\/family time. What do other engineers do?","c_root_id_A":"cnes5l6","c_root_id_B":"cnfcym7","created_at_utc_A":1420430130,"created_at_utc_B":1420486558,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"In the mornings before work I'm at the gym.  I find it energizes me for a good ten hour workday.    After work I go for a decent run.  Maybe 2-6 miles, depending on the weather.  Then I cook dinner and pack lunch for the next day.  This pretty much takes all my waking hours, but being off most Fridays to play video games or hiking makes up for it!","human_ref_B":"Work on entrepreneurship so I can eventually stop engineering, hang out with the gf, workout, and watch youtube videos.  Oh and maintain a house.  That's basically a part time job in and of itself.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":56428.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"2rd2p2","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.78,"history":"How do engineers unwind after work? I've been in an engineering role in a product development team for a little over a year, putting in a lot of 10 hour days, sometimes more, sometimes less. It's my first time in such a role, and my first job after earning my masters degree, and it's can stress me out. I'm curious about how other engineers unwind after work. I've tried video games, naps, reading, brewing, and cooking to help unwind before attending errands, chores, or luckily a personal project in my 4-6 hours of personal\/family time. What do other engineers do?","c_root_id_A":"cneumvy","c_root_id_B":"cnfcym7","created_at_utc_A":1420435313,"created_at_utc_B":1420486558,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I'll usually grab a beer or some bourbon and play a match or two of Dota 2.  After that I'll usually cook dinner with my girlfriend and on rare occasions organize some wires which I find oddly satisfying to do.","human_ref_B":"Work on entrepreneurship so I can eventually stop engineering, hang out with the gf, workout, and watch youtube videos.  Oh and maintain a house.  That's basically a part time job in and of itself.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":51245.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"jkeyjy","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"I'm a mechanical engineering student working on my senior design project. My technical skills are more developed than my group mates, and they're putting out freshman quality work. I want us all to learn and whatnot, but I also want the project to turn out nice. What do I do? I know this sounds douchey, and that's the problem. I don't want to be \"that guy\" in our group. I've had a ton of project and design experience outside of class and none of the others have had much if any. Yesterday we had a meeting where we shared each of our individual design tasks for the week and they were all done poorly. The quality of work was what you'd expect from a freshman. Like, making a cylinder in SolidWorks does not count as shaft design. I could give more examples but that's not the point.  How do I navigate this situation? I wouldn't mind teaching them a thing or too, but I'm considerably younger than everyone else on the team and I'm not sure anyone would be receptive to learning from a baby face know-it-all like me. I want the end product to be something I'm proud of, and I also want the group to work in harmony. How do I approach this situation and what actions do I take to make the best of this?","c_root_id_A":"gaj4ibq","c_root_id_B":"gaj3yoa","created_at_utc_A":1604003622,"created_at_utc_B":1604003360,"score_A":10,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"I'd like to add an alternative viewpoint to this, because I am on the other side of this table right now so to speak.   I am also a senior ME student and our project is to make an electrically assisted deer cart. There's a kid in our group who shares your enthusiasm but likely not your skillset. He wants to make these over the top designs to wow everyone.  Here's the deal though. Most of the people in our group want to create a product that will result in us getting a good grade. Its easy to get in over your head with designing something thats awesome when you also need to make a report and a pugh model and a kano model and all the other crap set forth in the syllabus.   I think its good to swing for the fences on the stuff that's important to you, but you also gotta bunt to get on first base here and there as well. That's my $0.02.","human_ref_B":"Lead by example and don\u2019t be afraid to carry the group if needed. I hated group work when I had slackers on my team but I learned the most by doing the work that the others couldn\u2019t. Adversity builds character.   I also support the comments about working on your communication skills to not come off as a know-it-all because if you are a baby faced student, you will be a baby faced engineer. You will eventually need to explain difficult concepts to more experienced engineers that have been out of school too long to understand what is fresh in your mind from school.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":262.0,"score_ratio":1.1111111111}
{"post_id":"jkeyjy","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"I'm a mechanical engineering student working on my senior design project. My technical skills are more developed than my group mates, and they're putting out freshman quality work. I want us all to learn and whatnot, but I also want the project to turn out nice. What do I do? I know this sounds douchey, and that's the problem. I don't want to be \"that guy\" in our group. I've had a ton of project and design experience outside of class and none of the others have had much if any. Yesterday we had a meeting where we shared each of our individual design tasks for the week and they were all done poorly. The quality of work was what you'd expect from a freshman. Like, making a cylinder in SolidWorks does not count as shaft design. I could give more examples but that's not the point.  How do I navigate this situation? I wouldn't mind teaching them a thing or too, but I'm considerably younger than everyone else on the team and I'm not sure anyone would be receptive to learning from a baby face know-it-all like me. I want the end product to be something I'm proud of, and I also want the group to work in harmony. How do I approach this situation and what actions do I take to make the best of this?","c_root_id_A":"gaj4ibq","c_root_id_B":"gais1mu","created_at_utc_A":1604003622,"created_at_utc_B":1603997947,"score_A":10,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I'd like to add an alternative viewpoint to this, because I am on the other side of this table right now so to speak.   I am also a senior ME student and our project is to make an electrically assisted deer cart. There's a kid in our group who shares your enthusiasm but likely not your skillset. He wants to make these over the top designs to wow everyone.  Here's the deal though. Most of the people in our group want to create a product that will result in us getting a good grade. Its easy to get in over your head with designing something thats awesome when you also need to make a report and a pugh model and a kano model and all the other crap set forth in the syllabus.   I think its good to swing for the fences on the stuff that's important to you, but you also gotta bunt to get on first base here and there as well. That's my $0.02.","human_ref_B":"The secret to failure is to try to make everyone happy.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5675.0,"score_ratio":3.3333333333}
{"post_id":"jkeyjy","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"I'm a mechanical engineering student working on my senior design project. My technical skills are more developed than my group mates, and they're putting out freshman quality work. I want us all to learn and whatnot, but I also want the project to turn out nice. What do I do? I know this sounds douchey, and that's the problem. I don't want to be \"that guy\" in our group. I've had a ton of project and design experience outside of class and none of the others have had much if any. Yesterday we had a meeting where we shared each of our individual design tasks for the week and they were all done poorly. The quality of work was what you'd expect from a freshman. Like, making a cylinder in SolidWorks does not count as shaft design. I could give more examples but that's not the point.  How do I navigate this situation? I wouldn't mind teaching them a thing or too, but I'm considerably younger than everyone else on the team and I'm not sure anyone would be receptive to learning from a baby face know-it-all like me. I want the end product to be something I'm proud of, and I also want the group to work in harmony. How do I approach this situation and what actions do I take to make the best of this?","c_root_id_A":"gaj3yoa","c_root_id_B":"gais1mu","created_at_utc_A":1604003360,"created_at_utc_B":1603997947,"score_A":9,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Lead by example and don\u2019t be afraid to carry the group if needed. I hated group work when I had slackers on my team but I learned the most by doing the work that the others couldn\u2019t. Adversity builds character.   I also support the comments about working on your communication skills to not come off as a know-it-all because if you are a baby faced student, you will be a baby faced engineer. You will eventually need to explain difficult concepts to more experienced engineers that have been out of school too long to understand what is fresh in your mind from school.","human_ref_B":"The secret to failure is to try to make everyone happy.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5413.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"jkeyjy","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"I'm a mechanical engineering student working on my senior design project. My technical skills are more developed than my group mates, and they're putting out freshman quality work. I want us all to learn and whatnot, but I also want the project to turn out nice. What do I do? I know this sounds douchey, and that's the problem. I don't want to be \"that guy\" in our group. I've had a ton of project and design experience outside of class and none of the others have had much if any. Yesterday we had a meeting where we shared each of our individual design tasks for the week and they were all done poorly. The quality of work was what you'd expect from a freshman. Like, making a cylinder in SolidWorks does not count as shaft design. I could give more examples but that's not the point.  How do I navigate this situation? I wouldn't mind teaching them a thing or too, but I'm considerably younger than everyone else on the team and I'm not sure anyone would be receptive to learning from a baby face know-it-all like me. I want the end product to be something I'm proud of, and I also want the group to work in harmony. How do I approach this situation and what actions do I take to make the best of this?","c_root_id_A":"gajjmkf","c_root_id_B":"gajmggo","created_at_utc_A":1604011221,"created_at_utc_B":1604012727,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Lead, deligate and teach them when they are struggling.  Mistakes will be made, that is part of engineering, dealing with mistakes are also a big part of engineering.  I have been thrown into positions where I felt way over my head directly out of college and there was no experienced engineer to work under so it was a sink or swim type of situation, somehow I ended up the lead engineer on a critical project.  It was neat for about 6 years...then I was spread too thin.","human_ref_B":"This is your project and, as such, you should make it the best it can be. Not only will the final product reflect well on you and your skills, it will also help your team members. I promise that they will never forget getting a boost and, as an unintend consequence, it may come back to help you some day.  You are a team, and one of the best parts about being on a team is being able to lean on each other. You obviously have skills that they don't, but they probably have skills you don't. I would try to have a blunt but respectful conversation and find out what skills each of you has. Is someone better at math, at project management, at presenting? The way I always phrase it is \"I want to be on a team with people who are good at what I suck at.\" For me, I'm darn good at boots on the ground, make something, and make it work. However, I'm weak in the math and theory side of things so, for my senior design project, I joined forces with a partner who was comically good at math and theory. Everyone is good at something and everybody sucks at something, you just have to figure out what those things are both for yourself and your team members. Leverage and lean on each other.   Your group won't always work in harmony; accept that now and life will be easier. But, you will be able to work through those difficulties. If the reality is that you end up carrying the group, so be it. That will happen sometimes and, unfortunately, you just have to work with what you're dealt.  Break a leg with your project and I hope your team is able to push past this and make a fantastic project!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1506.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"jkeyjy","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"I'm a mechanical engineering student working on my senior design project. My technical skills are more developed than my group mates, and they're putting out freshman quality work. I want us all to learn and whatnot, but I also want the project to turn out nice. What do I do? I know this sounds douchey, and that's the problem. I don't want to be \"that guy\" in our group. I've had a ton of project and design experience outside of class and none of the others have had much if any. Yesterday we had a meeting where we shared each of our individual design tasks for the week and they were all done poorly. The quality of work was what you'd expect from a freshman. Like, making a cylinder in SolidWorks does not count as shaft design. I could give more examples but that's not the point.  How do I navigate this situation? I wouldn't mind teaching them a thing or too, but I'm considerably younger than everyone else on the team and I'm not sure anyone would be receptive to learning from a baby face know-it-all like me. I want the end product to be something I'm proud of, and I also want the group to work in harmony. How do I approach this situation and what actions do I take to make the best of this?","c_root_id_A":"gajjmkf","c_root_id_B":"gajpxss","created_at_utc_A":1604011221,"created_at_utc_B":1604014600,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Lead, deligate and teach them when they are struggling.  Mistakes will be made, that is part of engineering, dealing with mistakes are also a big part of engineering.  I have been thrown into positions where I felt way over my head directly out of college and there was no experienced engineer to work under so it was a sink or swim type of situation, somehow I ended up the lead engineer on a critical project.  It was neat for about 6 years...then I was spread too thin.","human_ref_B":"Senior Design projects are supposed to reflect real life engineering challenges, and professional engineering expectations. I was part of FSAE and we learned real quickly that you either met the challenge or you did not. Tell them what you expect, teach them what they need know and dont  hold their hand. In the end you can only do so much, you have to be able to rely on your team.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3379.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"705uu9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"HS physics teacher, was given an extra class of \"engineering\" bc the teacher quit. I have free reign to design the course however I want to. What types of projects\/skills should I be teaching my kids. I was thinking about making it a very hands on class. Perhaps have students build drone or something of the sort. Of course, that may be a tad advanced for the beginning of the school year. Any suggestions? A simple soldering project that leads into something bigger?   I honestly want to make the class like the youtube channel Hak5, if youve ever seen it","c_root_id_A":"dn0pbcb","c_root_id_B":"dn0os08","created_at_utc_A":1505432625,"created_at_utc_B":1505431930,"score_A":54,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"My two cents: start them with a software project. Something where they get quick feedback.  Then use the software they built to drive something mechanical, maybe a variable speed motor. Again, lots of feedback and opportunities for experimentation.  Then attach that motor to some allthread to move an object back and forth in a linear motion.  Now you've got one third of a three axis machine tool; i.e. 3D Printer, or a router, or flight controls for something large.  Then couple this with a pantograph to make very small, very precise motions and cuts. Now you can make molds to cast plastic resins to make the parts for your drone.  Have them make some parts to break. Have them try to make a part that's too big for the machine. Have them make a gimbaled camera mount for the drone. You might be able to get someone to donate some stepper motors for the gimbal, hook this up to the software the kids wrote, and let them refine their programming skills.  Every time they break something, they learn how to fix it.","human_ref_B":"Problem solving! Anything where they have to iterate a design.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":695.0,"score_ratio":3.1764705882}
{"post_id":"705uu9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"HS physics teacher, was given an extra class of \"engineering\" bc the teacher quit. I have free reign to design the course however I want to. What types of projects\/skills should I be teaching my kids. I was thinking about making it a very hands on class. Perhaps have students build drone or something of the sort. Of course, that may be a tad advanced for the beginning of the school year. Any suggestions? A simple soldering project that leads into something bigger?   I honestly want to make the class like the youtube channel Hak5, if youve ever seen it","c_root_id_A":"dn0pbcb","c_root_id_B":"dn0of46","created_at_utc_A":1505432625,"created_at_utc_B":1505431463,"score_A":54,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"My two cents: start them with a software project. Something where they get quick feedback.  Then use the software they built to drive something mechanical, maybe a variable speed motor. Again, lots of feedback and opportunities for experimentation.  Then attach that motor to some allthread to move an object back and forth in a linear motion.  Now you've got one third of a three axis machine tool; i.e. 3D Printer, or a router, or flight controls for something large.  Then couple this with a pantograph to make very small, very precise motions and cuts. Now you can make molds to cast plastic resins to make the parts for your drone.  Have them make some parts to break. Have them try to make a part that's too big for the machine. Have them make a gimbaled camera mount for the drone. You might be able to get someone to donate some stepper motors for the gimbal, hook this up to the software the kids wrote, and let them refine their programming skills.  Every time they break something, they learn how to fix it.","human_ref_B":"Drone building may be to advanced, but I do wholeheartedly support the idea of doing project based learning.  I would leverage your physics background and do some googling on student engineering projects.  There is a lot out there.  You could easily spend some time on the physics fundamentals of each project, then have them spend time doing things hands on.  I would also suggest making the projects team based.  In school (and in life) engineers often work in groups.  You have a great opportunity to build something both fun and educational for your students.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1162.0,"score_ratio":9.0}
{"post_id":"705uu9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"HS physics teacher, was given an extra class of \"engineering\" bc the teacher quit. I have free reign to design the course however I want to. What types of projects\/skills should I be teaching my kids. I was thinking about making it a very hands on class. Perhaps have students build drone or something of the sort. Of course, that may be a tad advanced for the beginning of the school year. Any suggestions? A simple soldering project that leads into something bigger?   I honestly want to make the class like the youtube channel Hak5, if youve ever seen it","c_root_id_A":"dn0owrc","c_root_id_B":"dn0pbcb","created_at_utc_A":1505432100,"created_at_utc_B":1505432625,"score_A":5,"score_B":54,"human_ref_A":"Arduinos are cheap and fun. Get 10 of them and groups can work on some simple electronics and even motor control with servos.  It's a great introduction to the framework of coding!","human_ref_B":"My two cents: start them with a software project. Something where they get quick feedback.  Then use the software they built to drive something mechanical, maybe a variable speed motor. Again, lots of feedback and opportunities for experimentation.  Then attach that motor to some allthread to move an object back and forth in a linear motion.  Now you've got one third of a three axis machine tool; i.e. 3D Printer, or a router, or flight controls for something large.  Then couple this with a pantograph to make very small, very precise motions and cuts. Now you can make molds to cast plastic resins to make the parts for your drone.  Have them make some parts to break. Have them try to make a part that's too big for the machine. Have them make a gimbaled camera mount for the drone. You might be able to get someone to donate some stepper motors for the gimbal, hook this up to the software the kids wrote, and let them refine their programming skills.  Every time they break something, they learn how to fix it.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":525.0,"score_ratio":10.8}
{"post_id":"705uu9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"HS physics teacher, was given an extra class of \"engineering\" bc the teacher quit. I have free reign to design the course however I want to. What types of projects\/skills should I be teaching my kids. I was thinking about making it a very hands on class. Perhaps have students build drone or something of the sort. Of course, that may be a tad advanced for the beginning of the school year. Any suggestions? A simple soldering project that leads into something bigger?   I honestly want to make the class like the youtube channel Hak5, if youve ever seen it","c_root_id_A":"dn0pbcb","c_root_id_B":"dn0onry","created_at_utc_A":1505432625,"created_at_utc_B":1505431780,"score_A":54,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"My two cents: start them with a software project. Something where they get quick feedback.  Then use the software they built to drive something mechanical, maybe a variable speed motor. Again, lots of feedback and opportunities for experimentation.  Then attach that motor to some allthread to move an object back and forth in a linear motion.  Now you've got one third of a three axis machine tool; i.e. 3D Printer, or a router, or flight controls for something large.  Then couple this with a pantograph to make very small, very precise motions and cuts. Now you can make molds to cast plastic resins to make the parts for your drone.  Have them make some parts to break. Have them try to make a part that's too big for the machine. Have them make a gimbaled camera mount for the drone. You might be able to get someone to donate some stepper motors for the gimbal, hook this up to the software the kids wrote, and let them refine their programming skills.  Every time they break something, they learn how to fix it.","human_ref_B":"I'd make it an open class where the kids can dream up a technical project and work on it throughout the semester, and grade then on how they approached complex problems (not whether it worked). Maybe have a few ideas to choose from that can be done within the accessible budget\/resources. Classes like this are great for igniting passion for a subject.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":845.0,"score_ratio":18.0}
{"post_id":"705uu9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"HS physics teacher, was given an extra class of \"engineering\" bc the teacher quit. I have free reign to design the course however I want to. What types of projects\/skills should I be teaching my kids. I was thinking about making it a very hands on class. Perhaps have students build drone or something of the sort. Of course, that may be a tad advanced for the beginning of the school year. Any suggestions? A simple soldering project that leads into something bigger?   I honestly want to make the class like the youtube channel Hak5, if youve ever seen it","c_root_id_A":"dn0os08","c_root_id_B":"dn0of46","created_at_utc_A":1505431930,"created_at_utc_B":1505431463,"score_A":17,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Problem solving! Anything where they have to iterate a design.","human_ref_B":"Drone building may be to advanced, but I do wholeheartedly support the idea of doing project based learning.  I would leverage your physics background and do some googling on student engineering projects.  There is a lot out there.  You could easily spend some time on the physics fundamentals of each project, then have them spend time doing things hands on.  I would also suggest making the projects team based.  In school (and in life) engineers often work in groups.  You have a great opportunity to build something both fun and educational for your students.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":467.0,"score_ratio":2.8333333333}
{"post_id":"705uu9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"HS physics teacher, was given an extra class of \"engineering\" bc the teacher quit. I have free reign to design the course however I want to. What types of projects\/skills should I be teaching my kids. I was thinking about making it a very hands on class. Perhaps have students build drone or something of the sort. Of course, that may be a tad advanced for the beginning of the school year. Any suggestions? A simple soldering project that leads into something bigger?   I honestly want to make the class like the youtube channel Hak5, if youve ever seen it","c_root_id_A":"dn0os08","c_root_id_B":"dn0onry","created_at_utc_A":1505431930,"created_at_utc_B":1505431780,"score_A":17,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Problem solving! Anything where they have to iterate a design.","human_ref_B":"I'd make it an open class where the kids can dream up a technical project and work on it throughout the semester, and grade then on how they approached complex problems (not whether it worked). Maybe have a few ideas to choose from that can be done within the accessible budget\/resources. Classes like this are great for igniting passion for a subject.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":150.0,"score_ratio":5.6666666667}
{"post_id":"705uu9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"HS physics teacher, was given an extra class of \"engineering\" bc the teacher quit. I have free reign to design the course however I want to. What types of projects\/skills should I be teaching my kids. I was thinking about making it a very hands on class. Perhaps have students build drone or something of the sort. Of course, that may be a tad advanced for the beginning of the school year. Any suggestions? A simple soldering project that leads into something bigger?   I honestly want to make the class like the youtube channel Hak5, if youve ever seen it","c_root_id_A":"dn0s819","c_root_id_B":"dn0u3ul","created_at_utc_A":1505436425,"created_at_utc_B":1505438735,"score_A":8,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"I use to teach fundementals of mfg eng to non-engineering types. My curriculum was for a 16 week course, but often taught accelerated during the summer.  It worked out that we could only spend 1 week on materials.  1 week on design.   1 week on all maching concepts.  1 week on electrical.   Obviously anything that brief barely scrapes the surface.  I used Fundamentals of Manufacturing 2nd Edition by Philip Rufe.  It's thorough enough to cover materials to processes to acad to dimensioning to whatever.  My goal was to make accountants vaguely familiar with what engineers did.   I think your goal trying to get this kids interest is a cool career.","human_ref_B":"I was a big fan of the mousetrap car we did in one of my undergrad freshman engineering classes. Give them a standard mousetrap and a budget of $20 - they build a car powered by the mousetrap and then race them down a long hallway!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2310.0,"score_ratio":1.75}
{"post_id":"705uu9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"HS physics teacher, was given an extra class of \"engineering\" bc the teacher quit. I have free reign to design the course however I want to. What types of projects\/skills should I be teaching my kids. I was thinking about making it a very hands on class. Perhaps have students build drone or something of the sort. Of course, that may be a tad advanced for the beginning of the school year. Any suggestions? A simple soldering project that leads into something bigger?   I honestly want to make the class like the youtube channel Hak5, if youve ever seen it","c_root_id_A":"dn0u3ul","c_root_id_B":"dn0of46","created_at_utc_A":1505438735,"created_at_utc_B":1505431463,"score_A":14,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"I was a big fan of the mousetrap car we did in one of my undergrad freshman engineering classes. Give them a standard mousetrap and a budget of $20 - they build a car powered by the mousetrap and then race them down a long hallway!","human_ref_B":"Drone building may be to advanced, but I do wholeheartedly support the idea of doing project based learning.  I would leverage your physics background and do some googling on student engineering projects.  There is a lot out there.  You could easily spend some time on the physics fundamentals of each project, then have them spend time doing things hands on.  I would also suggest making the projects team based.  In school (and in life) engineers often work in groups.  You have a great opportunity to build something both fun and educational for your students.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7272.0,"score_ratio":2.3333333333}
{"post_id":"705uu9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"HS physics teacher, was given an extra class of \"engineering\" bc the teacher quit. I have free reign to design the course however I want to. What types of projects\/skills should I be teaching my kids. I was thinking about making it a very hands on class. Perhaps have students build drone or something of the sort. Of course, that may be a tad advanced for the beginning of the school year. Any suggestions? A simple soldering project that leads into something bigger?   I honestly want to make the class like the youtube channel Hak5, if youve ever seen it","c_root_id_A":"dn0u3ul","c_root_id_B":"dn0owrc","created_at_utc_A":1505438735,"created_at_utc_B":1505432100,"score_A":14,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"I was a big fan of the mousetrap car we did in one of my undergrad freshman engineering classes. Give them a standard mousetrap and a budget of $20 - they build a car powered by the mousetrap and then race them down a long hallway!","human_ref_B":"Arduinos are cheap and fun. Get 10 of them and groups can work on some simple electronics and even motor control with servos.  It's a great introduction to the framework of coding!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6635.0,"score_ratio":2.8}
{"post_id":"705uu9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"HS physics teacher, was given an extra class of \"engineering\" bc the teacher quit. I have free reign to design the course however I want to. What types of projects\/skills should I be teaching my kids. I was thinking about making it a very hands on class. Perhaps have students build drone or something of the sort. Of course, that may be a tad advanced for the beginning of the school year. Any suggestions? A simple soldering project that leads into something bigger?   I honestly want to make the class like the youtube channel Hak5, if youve ever seen it","c_root_id_A":"dn0u3ul","c_root_id_B":"dn0onry","created_at_utc_A":1505438735,"created_at_utc_B":1505431780,"score_A":14,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I was a big fan of the mousetrap car we did in one of my undergrad freshman engineering classes. Give them a standard mousetrap and a budget of $20 - they build a car powered by the mousetrap and then race them down a long hallway!","human_ref_B":"I'd make it an open class where the kids can dream up a technical project and work on it throughout the semester, and grade then on how they approached complex problems (not whether it worked). Maybe have a few ideas to choose from that can be done within the accessible budget\/resources. Classes like this are great for igniting passion for a subject.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6955.0,"score_ratio":4.6666666667}
{"post_id":"705uu9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"HS physics teacher, was given an extra class of \"engineering\" bc the teacher quit. I have free reign to design the course however I want to. What types of projects\/skills should I be teaching my kids. I was thinking about making it a very hands on class. Perhaps have students build drone or something of the sort. Of course, that may be a tad advanced for the beginning of the school year. Any suggestions? A simple soldering project that leads into something bigger?   I honestly want to make the class like the youtube channel Hak5, if youve ever seen it","c_root_id_A":"dn0u3ul","c_root_id_B":"dn0pj0o","created_at_utc_A":1505438735,"created_at_utc_B":1505432900,"score_A":14,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I was a big fan of the mousetrap car we did in one of my undergrad freshman engineering classes. Give them a standard mousetrap and a budget of $20 - they build a car powered by the mousetrap and then race them down a long hallway!","human_ref_B":"A box of \"junk\" building supplies and have them build a trebuchet. Maybe Dow rods and glue duct tape and string etc","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5835.0,"score_ratio":7.0}
{"post_id":"705uu9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"HS physics teacher, was given an extra class of \"engineering\" bc the teacher quit. I have free reign to design the course however I want to. What types of projects\/skills should I be teaching my kids. I was thinking about making it a very hands on class. Perhaps have students build drone or something of the sort. Of course, that may be a tad advanced for the beginning of the school year. Any suggestions? A simple soldering project that leads into something bigger?   I honestly want to make the class like the youtube channel Hak5, if youve ever seen it","c_root_id_A":"dn0rku8","c_root_id_B":"dn0u3ul","created_at_utc_A":1505435606,"created_at_utc_B":1505438735,"score_A":2,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"I know this isn't the sexiest idea, but I'd suggest giving them a prompt (e.g. a hand powered drill press) and have them complete a full design, including a full assembly drawing, bill of materials, component drawings, cost (maybe with quotes if some machine shop is amenable), and lead time. Maybe some simple analysis like how fast they expect the drill to turn or how much torque it could generate. I like this idea bc it's very close to what I do as an engineer on a daily basis, and it doesn't require any extra tools or equipment that the school has to buy. Details are important in this type of design and getting practice early helps a lot.  This part is just my opinion, but penmanship should count on a hand drawing. If one of my colleagues handed something to me that was in any way less than clear, it would be handed back to them.  If you'd actually like to do this project and would like some help on picking a prompt, or what I look for in drawings, etc, pm me.","human_ref_B":"I was a big fan of the mousetrap car we did in one of my undergrad freshman engineering classes. Give them a standard mousetrap and a budget of $20 - they build a car powered by the mousetrap and then race them down a long hallway!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3129.0,"score_ratio":7.0}
{"post_id":"705uu9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"HS physics teacher, was given an extra class of \"engineering\" bc the teacher quit. I have free reign to design the course however I want to. What types of projects\/skills should I be teaching my kids. I was thinking about making it a very hands on class. Perhaps have students build drone or something of the sort. Of course, that may be a tad advanced for the beginning of the school year. Any suggestions? A simple soldering project that leads into something bigger?   I honestly want to make the class like the youtube channel Hak5, if youve ever seen it","c_root_id_A":"dn1fqp9","c_root_id_B":"dn0s819","created_at_utc_A":1505480092,"created_at_utc_B":1505436425,"score_A":9,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"One of my intro to engineering courses in college had us all go out and buy an electric toothbrush and take it apart to the smallest components we could.  We talked about all the parts, what they did, and how they were manufactured. I learned about:  * injection molding (and gating and wall draft and why you can't undercut edges, etc) and  * drawing copper wire,   * casting and forging and stamping, etc.   * About cams and pinion gears.   * About how brushed and brushless motors work.  * We talked about 6 sigma processes and scrap rates and design robustness.  All from an 8 dollar toothbrush.","human_ref_B":"I use to teach fundementals of mfg eng to non-engineering types. My curriculum was for a 16 week course, but often taught accelerated during the summer.  It worked out that we could only spend 1 week on materials.  1 week on design.   1 week on all maching concepts.  1 week on electrical.   Obviously anything that brief barely scrapes the surface.  I used Fundamentals of Manufacturing 2nd Edition by Philip Rufe.  It's thorough enough to cover materials to processes to acad to dimensioning to whatever.  My goal was to make accountants vaguely familiar with what engineers did.   I think your goal trying to get this kids interest is a cool career.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":43667.0,"score_ratio":1.125}
{"post_id":"705uu9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"HS physics teacher, was given an extra class of \"engineering\" bc the teacher quit. I have free reign to design the course however I want to. What types of projects\/skills should I be teaching my kids. I was thinking about making it a very hands on class. Perhaps have students build drone or something of the sort. Of course, that may be a tad advanced for the beginning of the school year. Any suggestions? A simple soldering project that leads into something bigger?   I honestly want to make the class like the youtube channel Hak5, if youve ever seen it","c_root_id_A":"dn0ugkb","c_root_id_B":"dn1fqp9","created_at_utc_A":1505439147,"created_at_utc_B":1505480092,"score_A":8,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Teach them to drink whiskey and slam their head im a car door then immediately make them play a game where - surprise! - no one wins.","human_ref_B":"One of my intro to engineering courses in college had us all go out and buy an electric toothbrush and take it apart to the smallest components we could.  We talked about all the parts, what they did, and how they were manufactured. I learned about:  * injection molding (and gating and wall draft and why you can't undercut edges, etc) and  * drawing copper wire,   * casting and forging and stamping, etc.   * About cams and pinion gears.   * About how brushed and brushless motors work.  * We talked about 6 sigma processes and scrap rates and design robustness.  All from an 8 dollar toothbrush.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":40945.0,"score_ratio":1.125}
{"post_id":"705uu9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"HS physics teacher, was given an extra class of \"engineering\" bc the teacher quit. I have free reign to design the course however I want to. What types of projects\/skills should I be teaching my kids. I was thinking about making it a very hands on class. Perhaps have students build drone or something of the sort. Of course, that may be a tad advanced for the beginning of the school year. Any suggestions? A simple soldering project that leads into something bigger?   I honestly want to make the class like the youtube channel Hak5, if youve ever seen it","c_root_id_A":"dn0vyc4","c_root_id_B":"dn1fqp9","created_at_utc_A":1505440951,"created_at_utc_B":1505480092,"score_A":6,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Some of these seem really unrealistic to me. I was going to suggest balsa wood stick bridges that you load to failure. Have the kids predict where\/how each will fail.","human_ref_B":"One of my intro to engineering courses in college had us all go out and buy an electric toothbrush and take it apart to the smallest components we could.  We talked about all the parts, what they did, and how they were manufactured. I learned about:  * injection molding (and gating and wall draft and why you can't undercut edges, etc) and  * drawing copper wire,   * casting and forging and stamping, etc.   * About cams and pinion gears.   * About how brushed and brushless motors work.  * We talked about 6 sigma processes and scrap rates and design robustness.  All from an 8 dollar toothbrush.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":39141.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"705uu9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"HS physics teacher, was given an extra class of \"engineering\" bc the teacher quit. I have free reign to design the course however I want to. What types of projects\/skills should I be teaching my kids. I was thinking about making it a very hands on class. Perhaps have students build drone or something of the sort. Of course, that may be a tad advanced for the beginning of the school year. Any suggestions? A simple soldering project that leads into something bigger?   I honestly want to make the class like the youtube channel Hak5, if youve ever seen it","c_root_id_A":"dn0of46","c_root_id_B":"dn1fqp9","created_at_utc_A":1505431463,"created_at_utc_B":1505480092,"score_A":6,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Drone building may be to advanced, but I do wholeheartedly support the idea of doing project based learning.  I would leverage your physics background and do some googling on student engineering projects.  There is a lot out there.  You could easily spend some time on the physics fundamentals of each project, then have them spend time doing things hands on.  I would also suggest making the projects team based.  In school (and in life) engineers often work in groups.  You have a great opportunity to build something both fun and educational for your students.","human_ref_B":"One of my intro to engineering courses in college had us all go out and buy an electric toothbrush and take it apart to the smallest components we could.  We talked about all the parts, what they did, and how they were manufactured. I learned about:  * injection molding (and gating and wall draft and why you can't undercut edges, etc) and  * drawing copper wire,   * casting and forging and stamping, etc.   * About cams and pinion gears.   * About how brushed and brushless motors work.  * We talked about 6 sigma processes and scrap rates and design robustness.  All from an 8 dollar toothbrush.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":48629.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"705uu9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"HS physics teacher, was given an extra class of \"engineering\" bc the teacher quit. I have free reign to design the course however I want to. What types of projects\/skills should I be teaching my kids. I was thinking about making it a very hands on class. Perhaps have students build drone or something of the sort. Of course, that may be a tad advanced for the beginning of the school year. Any suggestions? A simple soldering project that leads into something bigger?   I honestly want to make the class like the youtube channel Hak5, if youve ever seen it","c_root_id_A":"dn1fqp9","c_root_id_B":"dn0owrc","created_at_utc_A":1505480092,"created_at_utc_B":1505432100,"score_A":9,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"One of my intro to engineering courses in college had us all go out and buy an electric toothbrush and take it apart to the smallest components we could.  We talked about all the parts, what they did, and how they were manufactured. I learned about:  * injection molding (and gating and wall draft and why you can't undercut edges, etc) and  * drawing copper wire,   * casting and forging and stamping, etc.   * About cams and pinion gears.   * About how brushed and brushless motors work.  * We talked about 6 sigma processes and scrap rates and design robustness.  All from an 8 dollar toothbrush.","human_ref_B":"Arduinos are cheap and fun. Get 10 of them and groups can work on some simple electronics and even motor control with servos.  It's a great introduction to the framework of coding!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":47992.0,"score_ratio":1.8}
{"post_id":"705uu9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"HS physics teacher, was given an extra class of \"engineering\" bc the teacher quit. I have free reign to design the course however I want to. What types of projects\/skills should I be teaching my kids. I was thinking about making it a very hands on class. Perhaps have students build drone or something of the sort. Of course, that may be a tad advanced for the beginning of the school year. Any suggestions? A simple soldering project that leads into something bigger?   I honestly want to make the class like the youtube channel Hak5, if youve ever seen it","c_root_id_A":"dn0y6ja","c_root_id_B":"dn1fqp9","created_at_utc_A":1505443812,"created_at_utc_B":1505480092,"score_A":7,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"I went through 4 engineering courses in high school that led me to choose civil engineering. I assume it's normal for each course to take about a year to go through. It's called project lead the way. Look here:   https:\/\/www.pltw.org\/our-programs\/pltw-engineering-curriculum#curriculum-2   You can input your info and they email you the outline\/info of what each course consists of. The most diverse engineering course on that program had to be \"principles of engineering\".","human_ref_B":"One of my intro to engineering courses in college had us all go out and buy an electric toothbrush and take it apart to the smallest components we could.  We talked about all the parts, what they did, and how they were manufactured. I learned about:  * injection molding (and gating and wall draft and why you can't undercut edges, etc) and  * drawing copper wire,   * casting and forging and stamping, etc.   * About cams and pinion gears.   * About how brushed and brushless motors work.  * We talked about 6 sigma processes and scrap rates and design robustness.  All from an 8 dollar toothbrush.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":36280.0,"score_ratio":1.2857142857}
{"post_id":"705uu9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"HS physics teacher, was given an extra class of \"engineering\" bc the teacher quit. I have free reign to design the course however I want to. What types of projects\/skills should I be teaching my kids. I was thinking about making it a very hands on class. Perhaps have students build drone or something of the sort. Of course, that may be a tad advanced for the beginning of the school year. Any suggestions? A simple soldering project that leads into something bigger?   I honestly want to make the class like the youtube channel Hak5, if youve ever seen it","c_root_id_A":"dn0onry","c_root_id_B":"dn1fqp9","created_at_utc_A":1505431780,"created_at_utc_B":1505480092,"score_A":3,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"I'd make it an open class where the kids can dream up a technical project and work on it throughout the semester, and grade then on how they approached complex problems (not whether it worked). Maybe have a few ideas to choose from that can be done within the accessible budget\/resources. Classes like this are great for igniting passion for a subject.","human_ref_B":"One of my intro to engineering courses in college had us all go out and buy an electric toothbrush and take it apart to the smallest components we could.  We talked about all the parts, what they did, and how they were manufactured. I learned about:  * injection molding (and gating and wall draft and why you can't undercut edges, etc) and  * drawing copper wire,   * casting and forging and stamping, etc.   * About cams and pinion gears.   * About how brushed and brushless motors work.  * We talked about 6 sigma processes and scrap rates and design robustness.  All from an 8 dollar toothbrush.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":48312.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"705uu9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"HS physics teacher, was given an extra class of \"engineering\" bc the teacher quit. I have free reign to design the course however I want to. What types of projects\/skills should I be teaching my kids. I was thinking about making it a very hands on class. Perhaps have students build drone or something of the sort. Of course, that may be a tad advanced for the beginning of the school year. Any suggestions? A simple soldering project that leads into something bigger?   I honestly want to make the class like the youtube channel Hak5, if youve ever seen it","c_root_id_A":"dn0zdbo","c_root_id_B":"dn1fqp9","created_at_utc_A":1505445397,"created_at_utc_B":1505480092,"score_A":3,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"What kind of engineering class? It's like asking what kind of science class to teach...   With you being a physics teacher, how about going along that route? Structural, mechanical, things that have a lot of overlap with physics.  Look at how diverse engineering is: http:\/\/wikipedia.org\/wiki\/List_of_engineering_branches  Other ideas: Steam engines. Internal combustion engines. Hydraulics and Pneumatics. Gears and pulleys. Electromechanical controls. Structural engineering (bridges are a good bet). Motor control (goes great with simple Arduino projects). Sensors. Aerospace (gets physics heavy and difficult for beginners to design anything though). Maybe do some design projects where you put in weight restrictions (good for robotics). PID control. Try designing a claw machine; a seemingly simple device that is surprisingly complex for beginners. Try making a manual transmission. Now try an automatic (tip: keep this simple, automatics are extremely complex)! Go over fluid couplings. Have a look at machine shops. Design a spring and go over hooke's law! Go over composite technology like fiberglass and carbon fiber. Design an electric circuit! Design a simple software program. Design a better mousetrap. Now say screw the better mousetrap, make it crazy complex just because you can and incorporate as much of the stuff above as you can!  Need more ideas?","human_ref_B":"One of my intro to engineering courses in college had us all go out and buy an electric toothbrush and take it apart to the smallest components we could.  We talked about all the parts, what they did, and how they were manufactured. I learned about:  * injection molding (and gating and wall draft and why you can't undercut edges, etc) and  * drawing copper wire,   * casting and forging and stamping, etc.   * About cams and pinion gears.   * About how brushed and brushless motors work.  * We talked about 6 sigma processes and scrap rates and design robustness.  All from an 8 dollar toothbrush.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":34695.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"705uu9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"HS physics teacher, was given an extra class of \"engineering\" bc the teacher quit. I have free reign to design the course however I want to. What types of projects\/skills should I be teaching my kids. I was thinking about making it a very hands on class. Perhaps have students build drone or something of the sort. Of course, that may be a tad advanced for the beginning of the school year. Any suggestions? A simple soldering project that leads into something bigger?   I honestly want to make the class like the youtube channel Hak5, if youve ever seen it","c_root_id_A":"dn1fqp9","c_root_id_B":"dn1c91a","created_at_utc_A":1505480092,"created_at_utc_B":1505473750,"score_A":9,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"One of my intro to engineering courses in college had us all go out and buy an electric toothbrush and take it apart to the smallest components we could.  We talked about all the parts, what they did, and how they were manufactured. I learned about:  * injection molding (and gating and wall draft and why you can't undercut edges, etc) and  * drawing copper wire,   * casting and forging and stamping, etc.   * About cams and pinion gears.   * About how brushed and brushless motors work.  * We talked about 6 sigma processes and scrap rates and design robustness.  All from an 8 dollar toothbrush.","human_ref_B":"In my son's high school Engineering class the focus was on learning to think like an Engineer.  They learned, among other things, how to keep an engineering notebook, how to determine requirements, how to go from requirements to design, how to go from design to a final product, etc.  I was a nice change of focus from math, physics, etc.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6342.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"705uu9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"HS physics teacher, was given an extra class of \"engineering\" bc the teacher quit. I have free reign to design the course however I want to. What types of projects\/skills should I be teaching my kids. I was thinking about making it a very hands on class. Perhaps have students build drone or something of the sort. Of course, that may be a tad advanced for the beginning of the school year. Any suggestions? A simple soldering project that leads into something bigger?   I honestly want to make the class like the youtube channel Hak5, if youve ever seen it","c_root_id_A":"dn1enhx","c_root_id_B":"dn1fqp9","created_at_utc_A":1505478385,"created_at_utc_B":1505480092,"score_A":3,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Make all the tests open book and grade them on an obscure curve. St least they'll get a feel what a college engineering class is like...","human_ref_B":"One of my intro to engineering courses in college had us all go out and buy an electric toothbrush and take it apart to the smallest components we could.  We talked about all the parts, what they did, and how they were manufactured. I learned about:  * injection molding (and gating and wall draft and why you can't undercut edges, etc) and  * drawing copper wire,   * casting and forging and stamping, etc.   * About cams and pinion gears.   * About how brushed and brushless motors work.  * We talked about 6 sigma processes and scrap rates and design robustness.  All from an 8 dollar toothbrush.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1707.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"705uu9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"HS physics teacher, was given an extra class of \"engineering\" bc the teacher quit. I have free reign to design the course however I want to. What types of projects\/skills should I be teaching my kids. I was thinking about making it a very hands on class. Perhaps have students build drone or something of the sort. Of course, that may be a tad advanced for the beginning of the school year. Any suggestions? A simple soldering project that leads into something bigger?   I honestly want to make the class like the youtube channel Hak5, if youve ever seen it","c_root_id_A":"dn0pj0o","c_root_id_B":"dn1fqp9","created_at_utc_A":1505432900,"created_at_utc_B":1505480092,"score_A":2,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"A box of \"junk\" building supplies and have them build a trebuchet. Maybe Dow rods and glue duct tape and string etc","human_ref_B":"One of my intro to engineering courses in college had us all go out and buy an electric toothbrush and take it apart to the smallest components we could.  We talked about all the parts, what they did, and how they were manufactured. I learned about:  * injection molding (and gating and wall draft and why you can't undercut edges, etc) and  * drawing copper wire,   * casting and forging and stamping, etc.   * About cams and pinion gears.   * About how brushed and brushless motors work.  * We talked about 6 sigma processes and scrap rates and design robustness.  All from an 8 dollar toothbrush.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":47192.0,"score_ratio":4.5}
{"post_id":"705uu9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"HS physics teacher, was given an extra class of \"engineering\" bc the teacher quit. I have free reign to design the course however I want to. What types of projects\/skills should I be teaching my kids. I was thinking about making it a very hands on class. Perhaps have students build drone or something of the sort. Of course, that may be a tad advanced for the beginning of the school year. Any suggestions? A simple soldering project that leads into something bigger?   I honestly want to make the class like the youtube channel Hak5, if youve ever seen it","c_root_id_A":"dn0rku8","c_root_id_B":"dn1fqp9","created_at_utc_A":1505435606,"created_at_utc_B":1505480092,"score_A":2,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"I know this isn't the sexiest idea, but I'd suggest giving them a prompt (e.g. a hand powered drill press) and have them complete a full design, including a full assembly drawing, bill of materials, component drawings, cost (maybe with quotes if some machine shop is amenable), and lead time. Maybe some simple analysis like how fast they expect the drill to turn or how much torque it could generate. I like this idea bc it's very close to what I do as an engineer on a daily basis, and it doesn't require any extra tools or equipment that the school has to buy. Details are important in this type of design and getting practice early helps a lot.  This part is just my opinion, but penmanship should count on a hand drawing. If one of my colleagues handed something to me that was in any way less than clear, it would be handed back to them.  If you'd actually like to do this project and would like some help on picking a prompt, or what I look for in drawings, etc, pm me.","human_ref_B":"One of my intro to engineering courses in college had us all go out and buy an electric toothbrush and take it apart to the smallest components we could.  We talked about all the parts, what they did, and how they were manufactured. I learned about:  * injection molding (and gating and wall draft and why you can't undercut edges, etc) and  * drawing copper wire,   * casting and forging and stamping, etc.   * About cams and pinion gears.   * About how brushed and brushless motors work.  * We talked about 6 sigma processes and scrap rates and design robustness.  All from an 8 dollar toothbrush.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":44486.0,"score_ratio":4.5}
{"post_id":"705uu9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"HS physics teacher, was given an extra class of \"engineering\" bc the teacher quit. I have free reign to design the course however I want to. What types of projects\/skills should I be teaching my kids. I was thinking about making it a very hands on class. Perhaps have students build drone or something of the sort. Of course, that may be a tad advanced for the beginning of the school year. Any suggestions? A simple soldering project that leads into something bigger?   I honestly want to make the class like the youtube channel Hak5, if youve ever seen it","c_root_id_A":"dn1480b","c_root_id_B":"dn1fqp9","created_at_utc_A":1505453317,"created_at_utc_B":1505480092,"score_A":2,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Lots of good project ideas.   A skill worth teaching is some form of design analysis. I've had kids do a dfmea on various things and it was quite instructional in how a design process actually works","human_ref_B":"One of my intro to engineering courses in college had us all go out and buy an electric toothbrush and take it apart to the smallest components we could.  We talked about all the parts, what they did, and how they were manufactured. I learned about:  * injection molding (and gating and wall draft and why you can't undercut edges, etc) and  * drawing copper wire,   * casting and forging and stamping, etc.   * About cams and pinion gears.   * About how brushed and brushless motors work.  * We talked about 6 sigma processes and scrap rates and design robustness.  All from an 8 dollar toothbrush.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":26775.0,"score_ratio":4.5}
{"post_id":"705uu9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"HS physics teacher, was given an extra class of \"engineering\" bc the teacher quit. I have free reign to design the course however I want to. What types of projects\/skills should I be teaching my kids. I was thinking about making it a very hands on class. Perhaps have students build drone or something of the sort. Of course, that may be a tad advanced for the beginning of the school year. Any suggestions? A simple soldering project that leads into something bigger?   I honestly want to make the class like the youtube channel Hak5, if youve ever seen it","c_root_id_A":"dn1fqp9","c_root_id_B":"dn1dtv9","created_at_utc_A":1505480092,"created_at_utc_B":1505476938,"score_A":9,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"One of my intro to engineering courses in college had us all go out and buy an electric toothbrush and take it apart to the smallest components we could.  We talked about all the parts, what they did, and how they were manufactured. I learned about:  * injection molding (and gating and wall draft and why you can't undercut edges, etc) and  * drawing copper wire,   * casting and forging and stamping, etc.   * About cams and pinion gears.   * About how brushed and brushless motors work.  * We talked about 6 sigma processes and scrap rates and design robustness.  All from an 8 dollar toothbrush.","human_ref_B":"Personally, (and not being EE or CS) I'm not sure about the arduino suggestions (I would have to google how to program one.)  I like the popsicle stick bridge (they have to build a bridge across a 24\" gap and each bridge is tested with weight plates to destruction.)  as a discussion on Statics (do each subject with a lab project like this.)  Dynamics is the egg drop, they have to design a method to propel an egg (you provide, so no hard boiling) over some arbitrary object (we had to get it higher than the top of our high school gym) and down onto asphalt without breaking it.  Etc.  So for each topic, you get a lecture series, test, and practical \"fun\" lab...  you can include the line following robot, etc., but don't go all software and electronics.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3154.0,"score_ratio":4.5}
{"post_id":"705uu9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"HS physics teacher, was given an extra class of \"engineering\" bc the teacher quit. I have free reign to design the course however I want to. What types of projects\/skills should I be teaching my kids. I was thinking about making it a very hands on class. Perhaps have students build drone or something of the sort. Of course, that may be a tad advanced for the beginning of the school year. Any suggestions? A simple soldering project that leads into something bigger?   I honestly want to make the class like the youtube channel Hak5, if youve ever seen it","c_root_id_A":"dn0s819","c_root_id_B":"dn0of46","created_at_utc_A":1505436425,"created_at_utc_B":1505431463,"score_A":8,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"I use to teach fundementals of mfg eng to non-engineering types. My curriculum was for a 16 week course, but often taught accelerated during the summer.  It worked out that we could only spend 1 week on materials.  1 week on design.   1 week on all maching concepts.  1 week on electrical.   Obviously anything that brief barely scrapes the surface.  I used Fundamentals of Manufacturing 2nd Edition by Philip Rufe.  It's thorough enough to cover materials to processes to acad to dimensioning to whatever.  My goal was to make accountants vaguely familiar with what engineers did.   I think your goal trying to get this kids interest is a cool career.","human_ref_B":"Drone building may be to advanced, but I do wholeheartedly support the idea of doing project based learning.  I would leverage your physics background and do some googling on student engineering projects.  There is a lot out there.  You could easily spend some time on the physics fundamentals of each project, then have them spend time doing things hands on.  I would also suggest making the projects team based.  In school (and in life) engineers often work in groups.  You have a great opportunity to build something both fun and educational for your students.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4962.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"705uu9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"HS physics teacher, was given an extra class of \"engineering\" bc the teacher quit. I have free reign to design the course however I want to. What types of projects\/skills should I be teaching my kids. I was thinking about making it a very hands on class. Perhaps have students build drone or something of the sort. Of course, that may be a tad advanced for the beginning of the school year. Any suggestions? A simple soldering project that leads into something bigger?   I honestly want to make the class like the youtube channel Hak5, if youve ever seen it","c_root_id_A":"dn0s819","c_root_id_B":"dn0owrc","created_at_utc_A":1505436425,"created_at_utc_B":1505432100,"score_A":8,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"I use to teach fundementals of mfg eng to non-engineering types. My curriculum was for a 16 week course, but often taught accelerated during the summer.  It worked out that we could only spend 1 week on materials.  1 week on design.   1 week on all maching concepts.  1 week on electrical.   Obviously anything that brief barely scrapes the surface.  I used Fundamentals of Manufacturing 2nd Edition by Philip Rufe.  It's thorough enough to cover materials to processes to acad to dimensioning to whatever.  My goal was to make accountants vaguely familiar with what engineers did.   I think your goal trying to get this kids interest is a cool career.","human_ref_B":"Arduinos are cheap and fun. Get 10 of them and groups can work on some simple electronics and even motor control with servos.  It's a great introduction to the framework of coding!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4325.0,"score_ratio":1.6}
{"post_id":"705uu9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"HS physics teacher, was given an extra class of \"engineering\" bc the teacher quit. I have free reign to design the course however I want to. What types of projects\/skills should I be teaching my kids. I was thinking about making it a very hands on class. Perhaps have students build drone or something of the sort. Of course, that may be a tad advanced for the beginning of the school year. Any suggestions? A simple soldering project that leads into something bigger?   I honestly want to make the class like the youtube channel Hak5, if youve ever seen it","c_root_id_A":"dn0s819","c_root_id_B":"dn0onry","created_at_utc_A":1505436425,"created_at_utc_B":1505431780,"score_A":8,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I use to teach fundementals of mfg eng to non-engineering types. My curriculum was for a 16 week course, but often taught accelerated during the summer.  It worked out that we could only spend 1 week on materials.  1 week on design.   1 week on all maching concepts.  1 week on electrical.   Obviously anything that brief barely scrapes the surface.  I used Fundamentals of Manufacturing 2nd Edition by Philip Rufe.  It's thorough enough to cover materials to processes to acad to dimensioning to whatever.  My goal was to make accountants vaguely familiar with what engineers did.   I think your goal trying to get this kids interest is a cool career.","human_ref_B":"I'd make it an open class where the kids can dream up a technical project and work on it throughout the semester, and grade then on how they approached complex problems (not whether it worked). Maybe have a few ideas to choose from that can be done within the accessible budget\/resources. Classes like this are great for igniting passion for a subject.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4645.0,"score_ratio":2.6666666667}
{"post_id":"705uu9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"HS physics teacher, was given an extra class of \"engineering\" bc the teacher quit. I have free reign to design the course however I want to. What types of projects\/skills should I be teaching my kids. I was thinking about making it a very hands on class. Perhaps have students build drone or something of the sort. Of course, that may be a tad advanced for the beginning of the school year. Any suggestions? A simple soldering project that leads into something bigger?   I honestly want to make the class like the youtube channel Hak5, if youve ever seen it","c_root_id_A":"dn0pj0o","c_root_id_B":"dn0s819","created_at_utc_A":1505432900,"created_at_utc_B":1505436425,"score_A":2,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"A box of \"junk\" building supplies and have them build a trebuchet. Maybe Dow rods and glue duct tape and string etc","human_ref_B":"I use to teach fundementals of mfg eng to non-engineering types. My curriculum was for a 16 week course, but often taught accelerated during the summer.  It worked out that we could only spend 1 week on materials.  1 week on design.   1 week on all maching concepts.  1 week on electrical.   Obviously anything that brief barely scrapes the surface.  I used Fundamentals of Manufacturing 2nd Edition by Philip Rufe.  It's thorough enough to cover materials to processes to acad to dimensioning to whatever.  My goal was to make accountants vaguely familiar with what engineers did.   I think your goal trying to get this kids interest is a cool career.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3525.0,"score_ratio":4.0}
{"post_id":"705uu9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"HS physics teacher, was given an extra class of \"engineering\" bc the teacher quit. I have free reign to design the course however I want to. What types of projects\/skills should I be teaching my kids. I was thinking about making it a very hands on class. Perhaps have students build drone or something of the sort. Of course, that may be a tad advanced for the beginning of the school year. Any suggestions? A simple soldering project that leads into something bigger?   I honestly want to make the class like the youtube channel Hak5, if youve ever seen it","c_root_id_A":"dn0rku8","c_root_id_B":"dn0s819","created_at_utc_A":1505435606,"created_at_utc_B":1505436425,"score_A":2,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"I know this isn't the sexiest idea, but I'd suggest giving them a prompt (e.g. a hand powered drill press) and have them complete a full design, including a full assembly drawing, bill of materials, component drawings, cost (maybe with quotes if some machine shop is amenable), and lead time. Maybe some simple analysis like how fast they expect the drill to turn or how much torque it could generate. I like this idea bc it's very close to what I do as an engineer on a daily basis, and it doesn't require any extra tools or equipment that the school has to buy. Details are important in this type of design and getting practice early helps a lot.  This part is just my opinion, but penmanship should count on a hand drawing. If one of my colleagues handed something to me that was in any way less than clear, it would be handed back to them.  If you'd actually like to do this project and would like some help on picking a prompt, or what I look for in drawings, etc, pm me.","human_ref_B":"I use to teach fundementals of mfg eng to non-engineering types. My curriculum was for a 16 week course, but often taught accelerated during the summer.  It worked out that we could only spend 1 week on materials.  1 week on design.   1 week on all maching concepts.  1 week on electrical.   Obviously anything that brief barely scrapes the surface.  I used Fundamentals of Manufacturing 2nd Edition by Philip Rufe.  It's thorough enough to cover materials to processes to acad to dimensioning to whatever.  My goal was to make accountants vaguely familiar with what engineers did.   I think your goal trying to get this kids interest is a cool career.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":819.0,"score_ratio":4.0}
{"post_id":"705uu9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"HS physics teacher, was given an extra class of \"engineering\" bc the teacher quit. I have free reign to design the course however I want to. What types of projects\/skills should I be teaching my kids. I was thinking about making it a very hands on class. Perhaps have students build drone or something of the sort. Of course, that may be a tad advanced for the beginning of the school year. Any suggestions? A simple soldering project that leads into something bigger?   I honestly want to make the class like the youtube channel Hak5, if youve ever seen it","c_root_id_A":"dn0ugkb","c_root_id_B":"dn0of46","created_at_utc_A":1505439147,"created_at_utc_B":1505431463,"score_A":8,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Teach them to drink whiskey and slam their head im a car door then immediately make them play a game where - surprise! - no one wins.","human_ref_B":"Drone building may be to advanced, but I do wholeheartedly support the idea of doing project based learning.  I would leverage your physics background and do some googling on student engineering projects.  There is a lot out there.  You could easily spend some time on the physics fundamentals of each project, then have them spend time doing things hands on.  I would also suggest making the projects team based.  In school (and in life) engineers often work in groups.  You have a great opportunity to build something both fun and educational for your students.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7684.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"705uu9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"HS physics teacher, was given an extra class of \"engineering\" bc the teacher quit. I have free reign to design the course however I want to. What types of projects\/skills should I be teaching my kids. I was thinking about making it a very hands on class. Perhaps have students build drone or something of the sort. Of course, that may be a tad advanced for the beginning of the school year. Any suggestions? A simple soldering project that leads into something bigger?   I honestly want to make the class like the youtube channel Hak5, if youve ever seen it","c_root_id_A":"dn0ugkb","c_root_id_B":"dn0owrc","created_at_utc_A":1505439147,"created_at_utc_B":1505432100,"score_A":8,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Teach them to drink whiskey and slam their head im a car door then immediately make them play a game where - surprise! - no one wins.","human_ref_B":"Arduinos are cheap and fun. Get 10 of them and groups can work on some simple electronics and even motor control with servos.  It's a great introduction to the framework of coding!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7047.0,"score_ratio":1.6}
{"post_id":"705uu9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"HS physics teacher, was given an extra class of \"engineering\" bc the teacher quit. I have free reign to design the course however I want to. What types of projects\/skills should I be teaching my kids. I was thinking about making it a very hands on class. Perhaps have students build drone or something of the sort. Of course, that may be a tad advanced for the beginning of the school year. Any suggestions? A simple soldering project that leads into something bigger?   I honestly want to make the class like the youtube channel Hak5, if youve ever seen it","c_root_id_A":"dn0ugkb","c_root_id_B":"dn0onry","created_at_utc_A":1505439147,"created_at_utc_B":1505431780,"score_A":8,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Teach them to drink whiskey and slam their head im a car door then immediately make them play a game where - surprise! - no one wins.","human_ref_B":"I'd make it an open class where the kids can dream up a technical project and work on it throughout the semester, and grade then on how they approached complex problems (not whether it worked). Maybe have a few ideas to choose from that can be done within the accessible budget\/resources. Classes like this are great for igniting passion for a subject.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7367.0,"score_ratio":2.6666666667}
{"post_id":"705uu9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"HS physics teacher, was given an extra class of \"engineering\" bc the teacher quit. I have free reign to design the course however I want to. What types of projects\/skills should I be teaching my kids. I was thinking about making it a very hands on class. Perhaps have students build drone or something of the sort. Of course, that may be a tad advanced for the beginning of the school year. Any suggestions? A simple soldering project that leads into something bigger?   I honestly want to make the class like the youtube channel Hak5, if youve ever seen it","c_root_id_A":"dn0ugkb","c_root_id_B":"dn0pj0o","created_at_utc_A":1505439147,"created_at_utc_B":1505432900,"score_A":8,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Teach them to drink whiskey and slam their head im a car door then immediately make them play a game where - surprise! - no one wins.","human_ref_B":"A box of \"junk\" building supplies and have them build a trebuchet. Maybe Dow rods and glue duct tape and string etc","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6247.0,"score_ratio":4.0}
{"post_id":"705uu9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"HS physics teacher, was given an extra class of \"engineering\" bc the teacher quit. I have free reign to design the course however I want to. What types of projects\/skills should I be teaching my kids. I was thinking about making it a very hands on class. Perhaps have students build drone or something of the sort. Of course, that may be a tad advanced for the beginning of the school year. Any suggestions? A simple soldering project that leads into something bigger?   I honestly want to make the class like the youtube channel Hak5, if youve ever seen it","c_root_id_A":"dn0ugkb","c_root_id_B":"dn0rku8","created_at_utc_A":1505439147,"created_at_utc_B":1505435606,"score_A":8,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Teach them to drink whiskey and slam their head im a car door then immediately make them play a game where - surprise! - no one wins.","human_ref_B":"I know this isn't the sexiest idea, but I'd suggest giving them a prompt (e.g. a hand powered drill press) and have them complete a full design, including a full assembly drawing, bill of materials, component drawings, cost (maybe with quotes if some machine shop is amenable), and lead time. Maybe some simple analysis like how fast they expect the drill to turn or how much torque it could generate. I like this idea bc it's very close to what I do as an engineer on a daily basis, and it doesn't require any extra tools or equipment that the school has to buy. Details are important in this type of design and getting practice early helps a lot.  This part is just my opinion, but penmanship should count on a hand drawing. If one of my colleagues handed something to me that was in any way less than clear, it would be handed back to them.  If you'd actually like to do this project and would like some help on picking a prompt, or what I look for in drawings, etc, pm me.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3541.0,"score_ratio":4.0}
{"post_id":"705uu9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"HS physics teacher, was given an extra class of \"engineering\" bc the teacher quit. I have free reign to design the course however I want to. What types of projects\/skills should I be teaching my kids. I was thinking about making it a very hands on class. Perhaps have students build drone or something of the sort. Of course, that may be a tad advanced for the beginning of the school year. Any suggestions? A simple soldering project that leads into something bigger?   I honestly want to make the class like the youtube channel Hak5, if youve ever seen it","c_root_id_A":"dn0owrc","c_root_id_B":"dn0vyc4","created_at_utc_A":1505432100,"created_at_utc_B":1505440951,"score_A":5,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Arduinos are cheap and fun. Get 10 of them and groups can work on some simple electronics and even motor control with servos.  It's a great introduction to the framework of coding!","human_ref_B":"Some of these seem really unrealistic to me. I was going to suggest balsa wood stick bridges that you load to failure. Have the kids predict where\/how each will fail.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8851.0,"score_ratio":1.2}
{"post_id":"705uu9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"HS physics teacher, was given an extra class of \"engineering\" bc the teacher quit. I have free reign to design the course however I want to. What types of projects\/skills should I be teaching my kids. I was thinking about making it a very hands on class. Perhaps have students build drone or something of the sort. Of course, that may be a tad advanced for the beginning of the school year. Any suggestions? A simple soldering project that leads into something bigger?   I honestly want to make the class like the youtube channel Hak5, if youve ever seen it","c_root_id_A":"dn0vyc4","c_root_id_B":"dn0y6ja","created_at_utc_A":1505440951,"created_at_utc_B":1505443812,"score_A":6,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Some of these seem really unrealistic to me. I was going to suggest balsa wood stick bridges that you load to failure. Have the kids predict where\/how each will fail.","human_ref_B":"I went through 4 engineering courses in high school that led me to choose civil engineering. I assume it's normal for each course to take about a year to go through. It's called project lead the way. Look here:   https:\/\/www.pltw.org\/our-programs\/pltw-engineering-curriculum#curriculum-2   You can input your info and they email you the outline\/info of what each course consists of. The most diverse engineering course on that program had to be \"principles of engineering\".","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2861.0,"score_ratio":1.1666666667}
{"post_id":"705uu9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"HS physics teacher, was given an extra class of \"engineering\" bc the teacher quit. I have free reign to design the course however I want to. What types of projects\/skills should I be teaching my kids. I was thinking about making it a very hands on class. Perhaps have students build drone or something of the sort. Of course, that may be a tad advanced for the beginning of the school year. Any suggestions? A simple soldering project that leads into something bigger?   I honestly want to make the class like the youtube channel Hak5, if youve ever seen it","c_root_id_A":"dn0vyc4","c_root_id_B":"dn0onry","created_at_utc_A":1505440951,"created_at_utc_B":1505431780,"score_A":6,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Some of these seem really unrealistic to me. I was going to suggest balsa wood stick bridges that you load to failure. Have the kids predict where\/how each will fail.","human_ref_B":"I'd make it an open class where the kids can dream up a technical project and work on it throughout the semester, and grade then on how they approached complex problems (not whether it worked). Maybe have a few ideas to choose from that can be done within the accessible budget\/resources. Classes like this are great for igniting passion for a subject.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9171.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"705uu9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"HS physics teacher, was given an extra class of \"engineering\" bc the teacher quit. I have free reign to design the course however I want to. What types of projects\/skills should I be teaching my kids. I was thinking about making it a very hands on class. Perhaps have students build drone or something of the sort. Of course, that may be a tad advanced for the beginning of the school year. Any suggestions? A simple soldering project that leads into something bigger?   I honestly want to make the class like the youtube channel Hak5, if youve ever seen it","c_root_id_A":"dn0vyc4","c_root_id_B":"dn0pj0o","created_at_utc_A":1505440951,"created_at_utc_B":1505432900,"score_A":6,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Some of these seem really unrealistic to me. I was going to suggest balsa wood stick bridges that you load to failure. Have the kids predict where\/how each will fail.","human_ref_B":"A box of \"junk\" building supplies and have them build a trebuchet. Maybe Dow rods and glue duct tape and string etc","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8051.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"705uu9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"HS physics teacher, was given an extra class of \"engineering\" bc the teacher quit. I have free reign to design the course however I want to. What types of projects\/skills should I be teaching my kids. I was thinking about making it a very hands on class. Perhaps have students build drone or something of the sort. Of course, that may be a tad advanced for the beginning of the school year. Any suggestions? A simple soldering project that leads into something bigger?   I honestly want to make the class like the youtube channel Hak5, if youve ever seen it","c_root_id_A":"dn0rku8","c_root_id_B":"dn0vyc4","created_at_utc_A":1505435606,"created_at_utc_B":1505440951,"score_A":2,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"I know this isn't the sexiest idea, but I'd suggest giving them a prompt (e.g. a hand powered drill press) and have them complete a full design, including a full assembly drawing, bill of materials, component drawings, cost (maybe with quotes if some machine shop is amenable), and lead time. Maybe some simple analysis like how fast they expect the drill to turn or how much torque it could generate. I like this idea bc it's very close to what I do as an engineer on a daily basis, and it doesn't require any extra tools or equipment that the school has to buy. Details are important in this type of design and getting practice early helps a lot.  This part is just my opinion, but penmanship should count on a hand drawing. If one of my colleagues handed something to me that was in any way less than clear, it would be handed back to them.  If you'd actually like to do this project and would like some help on picking a prompt, or what I look for in drawings, etc, pm me.","human_ref_B":"Some of these seem really unrealistic to me. I was going to suggest balsa wood stick bridges that you load to failure. Have the kids predict where\/how each will fail.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5345.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"705uu9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"HS physics teacher, was given an extra class of \"engineering\" bc the teacher quit. I have free reign to design the course however I want to. What types of projects\/skills should I be teaching my kids. I was thinking about making it a very hands on class. Perhaps have students build drone or something of the sort. Of course, that may be a tad advanced for the beginning of the school year. Any suggestions? A simple soldering project that leads into something bigger?   I honestly want to make the class like the youtube channel Hak5, if youve ever seen it","c_root_id_A":"dn0of46","c_root_id_B":"dn0y6ja","created_at_utc_A":1505431463,"created_at_utc_B":1505443812,"score_A":6,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Drone building may be to advanced, but I do wholeheartedly support the idea of doing project based learning.  I would leverage your physics background and do some googling on student engineering projects.  There is a lot out there.  You could easily spend some time on the physics fundamentals of each project, then have them spend time doing things hands on.  I would also suggest making the projects team based.  In school (and in life) engineers often work in groups.  You have a great opportunity to build something both fun and educational for your students.","human_ref_B":"I went through 4 engineering courses in high school that led me to choose civil engineering. I assume it's normal for each course to take about a year to go through. It's called project lead the way. Look here:   https:\/\/www.pltw.org\/our-programs\/pltw-engineering-curriculum#curriculum-2   You can input your info and they email you the outline\/info of what each course consists of. The most diverse engineering course on that program had to be \"principles of engineering\".","labels":0,"seconds_difference":12349.0,"score_ratio":1.1666666667}
{"post_id":"705uu9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"HS physics teacher, was given an extra class of \"engineering\" bc the teacher quit. I have free reign to design the course however I want to. What types of projects\/skills should I be teaching my kids. I was thinking about making it a very hands on class. Perhaps have students build drone or something of the sort. Of course, that may be a tad advanced for the beginning of the school year. Any suggestions? A simple soldering project that leads into something bigger?   I honestly want to make the class like the youtube channel Hak5, if youve ever seen it","c_root_id_A":"dn0y6ja","c_root_id_B":"dn0owrc","created_at_utc_A":1505443812,"created_at_utc_B":1505432100,"score_A":7,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"I went through 4 engineering courses in high school that led me to choose civil engineering. I assume it's normal for each course to take about a year to go through. It's called project lead the way. Look here:   https:\/\/www.pltw.org\/our-programs\/pltw-engineering-curriculum#curriculum-2   You can input your info and they email you the outline\/info of what each course consists of. The most diverse engineering course on that program had to be \"principles of engineering\".","human_ref_B":"Arduinos are cheap and fun. Get 10 of them and groups can work on some simple electronics and even motor control with servos.  It's a great introduction to the framework of coding!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":11712.0,"score_ratio":1.4}
{"post_id":"705uu9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"HS physics teacher, was given an extra class of \"engineering\" bc the teacher quit. I have free reign to design the course however I want to. What types of projects\/skills should I be teaching my kids. I was thinking about making it a very hands on class. Perhaps have students build drone or something of the sort. Of course, that may be a tad advanced for the beginning of the school year. Any suggestions? A simple soldering project that leads into something bigger?   I honestly want to make the class like the youtube channel Hak5, if youve ever seen it","c_root_id_A":"dn0onry","c_root_id_B":"dn0owrc","created_at_utc_A":1505431780,"created_at_utc_B":1505432100,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"I'd make it an open class where the kids can dream up a technical project and work on it throughout the semester, and grade then on how they approached complex problems (not whether it worked). Maybe have a few ideas to choose from that can be done within the accessible budget\/resources. Classes like this are great for igniting passion for a subject.","human_ref_B":"Arduinos are cheap and fun. Get 10 of them and groups can work on some simple electronics and even motor control with servos.  It's a great introduction to the framework of coding!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":320.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"705uu9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"HS physics teacher, was given an extra class of \"engineering\" bc the teacher quit. I have free reign to design the course however I want to. What types of projects\/skills should I be teaching my kids. I was thinking about making it a very hands on class. Perhaps have students build drone or something of the sort. Of course, that may be a tad advanced for the beginning of the school year. Any suggestions? A simple soldering project that leads into something bigger?   I honestly want to make the class like the youtube channel Hak5, if youve ever seen it","c_root_id_A":"dn0onry","c_root_id_B":"dn0y6ja","created_at_utc_A":1505431780,"created_at_utc_B":1505443812,"score_A":3,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"I'd make it an open class where the kids can dream up a technical project and work on it throughout the semester, and grade then on how they approached complex problems (not whether it worked). Maybe have a few ideas to choose from that can be done within the accessible budget\/resources. Classes like this are great for igniting passion for a subject.","human_ref_B":"I went through 4 engineering courses in high school that led me to choose civil engineering. I assume it's normal for each course to take about a year to go through. It's called project lead the way. Look here:   https:\/\/www.pltw.org\/our-programs\/pltw-engineering-curriculum#curriculum-2   You can input your info and they email you the outline\/info of what each course consists of. The most diverse engineering course on that program had to be \"principles of engineering\".","labels":0,"seconds_difference":12032.0,"score_ratio":2.3333333333}
{"post_id":"705uu9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"HS physics teacher, was given an extra class of \"engineering\" bc the teacher quit. I have free reign to design the course however I want to. What types of projects\/skills should I be teaching my kids. I was thinking about making it a very hands on class. Perhaps have students build drone or something of the sort. Of course, that may be a tad advanced for the beginning of the school year. Any suggestions? A simple soldering project that leads into something bigger?   I honestly want to make the class like the youtube channel Hak5, if youve ever seen it","c_root_id_A":"dn0pj0o","c_root_id_B":"dn0y6ja","created_at_utc_A":1505432900,"created_at_utc_B":1505443812,"score_A":2,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"A box of \"junk\" building supplies and have them build a trebuchet. Maybe Dow rods and glue duct tape and string etc","human_ref_B":"I went through 4 engineering courses in high school that led me to choose civil engineering. I assume it's normal for each course to take about a year to go through. It's called project lead the way. Look here:   https:\/\/www.pltw.org\/our-programs\/pltw-engineering-curriculum#curriculum-2   You can input your info and they email you the outline\/info of what each course consists of. The most diverse engineering course on that program had to be \"principles of engineering\".","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10912.0,"score_ratio":3.5}
{"post_id":"705uu9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"HS physics teacher, was given an extra class of \"engineering\" bc the teacher quit. I have free reign to design the course however I want to. What types of projects\/skills should I be teaching my kids. I was thinking about making it a very hands on class. Perhaps have students build drone or something of the sort. Of course, that may be a tad advanced for the beginning of the school year. Any suggestions? A simple soldering project that leads into something bigger?   I honestly want to make the class like the youtube channel Hak5, if youve ever seen it","c_root_id_A":"dn0y6ja","c_root_id_B":"dn0rku8","created_at_utc_A":1505443812,"created_at_utc_B":1505435606,"score_A":7,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I went through 4 engineering courses in high school that led me to choose civil engineering. I assume it's normal for each course to take about a year to go through. It's called project lead the way. Look here:   https:\/\/www.pltw.org\/our-programs\/pltw-engineering-curriculum#curriculum-2   You can input your info and they email you the outline\/info of what each course consists of. The most diverse engineering course on that program had to be \"principles of engineering\".","human_ref_B":"I know this isn't the sexiest idea, but I'd suggest giving them a prompt (e.g. a hand powered drill press) and have them complete a full design, including a full assembly drawing, bill of materials, component drawings, cost (maybe with quotes if some machine shop is amenable), and lead time. Maybe some simple analysis like how fast they expect the drill to turn or how much torque it could generate. I like this idea bc it's very close to what I do as an engineer on a daily basis, and it doesn't require any extra tools or equipment that the school has to buy. Details are important in this type of design and getting practice early helps a lot.  This part is just my opinion, but penmanship should count on a hand drawing. If one of my colleagues handed something to me that was in any way less than clear, it would be handed back to them.  If you'd actually like to do this project and would like some help on picking a prompt, or what I look for in drawings, etc, pm me.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8206.0,"score_ratio":3.5}
{"post_id":"705uu9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"HS physics teacher, was given an extra class of \"engineering\" bc the teacher quit. I have free reign to design the course however I want to. What types of projects\/skills should I be teaching my kids. I was thinking about making it a very hands on class. Perhaps have students build drone or something of the sort. Of course, that may be a tad advanced for the beginning of the school year. Any suggestions? A simple soldering project that leads into something bigger?   I honestly want to make the class like the youtube channel Hak5, if youve ever seen it","c_root_id_A":"dn0pj0o","c_root_id_B":"dn0zdbo","created_at_utc_A":1505432900,"created_at_utc_B":1505445397,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"A box of \"junk\" building supplies and have them build a trebuchet. Maybe Dow rods and glue duct tape and string etc","human_ref_B":"What kind of engineering class? It's like asking what kind of science class to teach...   With you being a physics teacher, how about going along that route? Structural, mechanical, things that have a lot of overlap with physics.  Look at how diverse engineering is: http:\/\/wikipedia.org\/wiki\/List_of_engineering_branches  Other ideas: Steam engines. Internal combustion engines. Hydraulics and Pneumatics. Gears and pulleys. Electromechanical controls. Structural engineering (bridges are a good bet). Motor control (goes great with simple Arduino projects). Sensors. Aerospace (gets physics heavy and difficult for beginners to design anything though). Maybe do some design projects where you put in weight restrictions (good for robotics). PID control. Try designing a claw machine; a seemingly simple device that is surprisingly complex for beginners. Try making a manual transmission. Now try an automatic (tip: keep this simple, automatics are extremely complex)! Go over fluid couplings. Have a look at machine shops. Design a spring and go over hooke's law! Go over composite technology like fiberglass and carbon fiber. Design an electric circuit! Design a simple software program. Design a better mousetrap. Now say screw the better mousetrap, make it crazy complex just because you can and incorporate as much of the stuff above as you can!  Need more ideas?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":12497.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"705uu9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"HS physics teacher, was given an extra class of \"engineering\" bc the teacher quit. I have free reign to design the course however I want to. What types of projects\/skills should I be teaching my kids. I was thinking about making it a very hands on class. Perhaps have students build drone or something of the sort. Of course, that may be a tad advanced for the beginning of the school year. Any suggestions? A simple soldering project that leads into something bigger?   I honestly want to make the class like the youtube channel Hak5, if youve ever seen it","c_root_id_A":"dn0rku8","c_root_id_B":"dn0zdbo","created_at_utc_A":1505435606,"created_at_utc_B":1505445397,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I know this isn't the sexiest idea, but I'd suggest giving them a prompt (e.g. a hand powered drill press) and have them complete a full design, including a full assembly drawing, bill of materials, component drawings, cost (maybe with quotes if some machine shop is amenable), and lead time. Maybe some simple analysis like how fast they expect the drill to turn or how much torque it could generate. I like this idea bc it's very close to what I do as an engineer on a daily basis, and it doesn't require any extra tools or equipment that the school has to buy. Details are important in this type of design and getting practice early helps a lot.  This part is just my opinion, but penmanship should count on a hand drawing. If one of my colleagues handed something to me that was in any way less than clear, it would be handed back to them.  If you'd actually like to do this project and would like some help on picking a prompt, or what I look for in drawings, etc, pm me.","human_ref_B":"What kind of engineering class? It's like asking what kind of science class to teach...   With you being a physics teacher, how about going along that route? Structural, mechanical, things that have a lot of overlap with physics.  Look at how diverse engineering is: http:\/\/wikipedia.org\/wiki\/List_of_engineering_branches  Other ideas: Steam engines. Internal combustion engines. Hydraulics and Pneumatics. Gears and pulleys. Electromechanical controls. Structural engineering (bridges are a good bet). Motor control (goes great with simple Arduino projects). Sensors. Aerospace (gets physics heavy and difficult for beginners to design anything though). Maybe do some design projects where you put in weight restrictions (good for robotics). PID control. Try designing a claw machine; a seemingly simple device that is surprisingly complex for beginners. Try making a manual transmission. Now try an automatic (tip: keep this simple, automatics are extremely complex)! Go over fluid couplings. Have a look at machine shops. Design a spring and go over hooke's law! Go over composite technology like fiberglass and carbon fiber. Design an electric circuit! Design a simple software program. Design a better mousetrap. Now say screw the better mousetrap, make it crazy complex just because you can and incorporate as much of the stuff above as you can!  Need more ideas?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9791.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"705uu9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"HS physics teacher, was given an extra class of \"engineering\" bc the teacher quit. I have free reign to design the course however I want to. What types of projects\/skills should I be teaching my kids. I was thinking about making it a very hands on class. Perhaps have students build drone or something of the sort. Of course, that may be a tad advanced for the beginning of the school year. Any suggestions? A simple soldering project that leads into something bigger?   I honestly want to make the class like the youtube channel Hak5, if youve ever seen it","c_root_id_A":"dn1c91a","c_root_id_B":"dn0pj0o","created_at_utc_A":1505473750,"created_at_utc_B":1505432900,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"In my son's high school Engineering class the focus was on learning to think like an Engineer.  They learned, among other things, how to keep an engineering notebook, how to determine requirements, how to go from requirements to design, how to go from design to a final product, etc.  I was a nice change of focus from math, physics, etc.","human_ref_B":"A box of \"junk\" building supplies and have them build a trebuchet. Maybe Dow rods and glue duct tape and string etc","labels":1,"seconds_difference":40850.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"705uu9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"HS physics teacher, was given an extra class of \"engineering\" bc the teacher quit. I have free reign to design the course however I want to. What types of projects\/skills should I be teaching my kids. I was thinking about making it a very hands on class. Perhaps have students build drone or something of the sort. Of course, that may be a tad advanced for the beginning of the school year. Any suggestions? A simple soldering project that leads into something bigger?   I honestly want to make the class like the youtube channel Hak5, if youve ever seen it","c_root_id_A":"dn1c91a","c_root_id_B":"dn0rku8","created_at_utc_A":1505473750,"created_at_utc_B":1505435606,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"In my son's high school Engineering class the focus was on learning to think like an Engineer.  They learned, among other things, how to keep an engineering notebook, how to determine requirements, how to go from requirements to design, how to go from design to a final product, etc.  I was a nice change of focus from math, physics, etc.","human_ref_B":"I know this isn't the sexiest idea, but I'd suggest giving them a prompt (e.g. a hand powered drill press) and have them complete a full design, including a full assembly drawing, bill of materials, component drawings, cost (maybe with quotes if some machine shop is amenable), and lead time. Maybe some simple analysis like how fast they expect the drill to turn or how much torque it could generate. I like this idea bc it's very close to what I do as an engineer on a daily basis, and it doesn't require any extra tools or equipment that the school has to buy. Details are important in this type of design and getting practice early helps a lot.  This part is just my opinion, but penmanship should count on a hand drawing. If one of my colleagues handed something to me that was in any way less than clear, it would be handed back to them.  If you'd actually like to do this project and would like some help on picking a prompt, or what I look for in drawings, etc, pm me.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":38144.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"705uu9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"HS physics teacher, was given an extra class of \"engineering\" bc the teacher quit. I have free reign to design the course however I want to. What types of projects\/skills should I be teaching my kids. I was thinking about making it a very hands on class. Perhaps have students build drone or something of the sort. Of course, that may be a tad advanced for the beginning of the school year. Any suggestions? A simple soldering project that leads into something bigger?   I honestly want to make the class like the youtube channel Hak5, if youve ever seen it","c_root_id_A":"dn1c91a","c_root_id_B":"dn1480b","created_at_utc_A":1505473750,"created_at_utc_B":1505453317,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"In my son's high school Engineering class the focus was on learning to think like an Engineer.  They learned, among other things, how to keep an engineering notebook, how to determine requirements, how to go from requirements to design, how to go from design to a final product, etc.  I was a nice change of focus from math, physics, etc.","human_ref_B":"Lots of good project ideas.   A skill worth teaching is some form of design analysis. I've had kids do a dfmea on various things and it was quite instructional in how a design process actually works","labels":1,"seconds_difference":20433.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"705uu9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"HS physics teacher, was given an extra class of \"engineering\" bc the teacher quit. I have free reign to design the course however I want to. What types of projects\/skills should I be teaching my kids. I was thinking about making it a very hands on class. Perhaps have students build drone or something of the sort. Of course, that may be a tad advanced for the beginning of the school year. Any suggestions? A simple soldering project that leads into something bigger?   I honestly want to make the class like the youtube channel Hak5, if youve ever seen it","c_root_id_A":"dn0pj0o","c_root_id_B":"dn1enhx","created_at_utc_A":1505432900,"created_at_utc_B":1505478385,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"A box of \"junk\" building supplies and have them build a trebuchet. Maybe Dow rods and glue duct tape and string etc","human_ref_B":"Make all the tests open book and grade them on an obscure curve. St least they'll get a feel what a college engineering class is like...","labels":0,"seconds_difference":45485.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"705uu9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"HS physics teacher, was given an extra class of \"engineering\" bc the teacher quit. I have free reign to design the course however I want to. What types of projects\/skills should I be teaching my kids. I was thinking about making it a very hands on class. Perhaps have students build drone or something of the sort. Of course, that may be a tad advanced for the beginning of the school year. Any suggestions? A simple soldering project that leads into something bigger?   I honestly want to make the class like the youtube channel Hak5, if youve ever seen it","c_root_id_A":"dn1enhx","c_root_id_B":"dn0rku8","created_at_utc_A":1505478385,"created_at_utc_B":1505435606,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Make all the tests open book and grade them on an obscure curve. St least they'll get a feel what a college engineering class is like...","human_ref_B":"I know this isn't the sexiest idea, but I'd suggest giving them a prompt (e.g. a hand powered drill press) and have them complete a full design, including a full assembly drawing, bill of materials, component drawings, cost (maybe with quotes if some machine shop is amenable), and lead time. Maybe some simple analysis like how fast they expect the drill to turn or how much torque it could generate. I like this idea bc it's very close to what I do as an engineer on a daily basis, and it doesn't require any extra tools or equipment that the school has to buy. Details are important in this type of design and getting practice early helps a lot.  This part is just my opinion, but penmanship should count on a hand drawing. If one of my colleagues handed something to me that was in any way less than clear, it would be handed back to them.  If you'd actually like to do this project and would like some help on picking a prompt, or what I look for in drawings, etc, pm me.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":42779.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"705uu9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"HS physics teacher, was given an extra class of \"engineering\" bc the teacher quit. I have free reign to design the course however I want to. What types of projects\/skills should I be teaching my kids. I was thinking about making it a very hands on class. Perhaps have students build drone or something of the sort. Of course, that may be a tad advanced for the beginning of the school year. Any suggestions? A simple soldering project that leads into something bigger?   I honestly want to make the class like the youtube channel Hak5, if youve ever seen it","c_root_id_A":"dn1enhx","c_root_id_B":"dn1480b","created_at_utc_A":1505478385,"created_at_utc_B":1505453317,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Make all the tests open book and grade them on an obscure curve. St least they'll get a feel what a college engineering class is like...","human_ref_B":"Lots of good project ideas.   A skill worth teaching is some form of design analysis. I've had kids do a dfmea on various things and it was quite instructional in how a design process actually works","labels":1,"seconds_difference":25068.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"705uu9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"HS physics teacher, was given an extra class of \"engineering\" bc the teacher quit. I have free reign to design the course however I want to. What types of projects\/skills should I be teaching my kids. I was thinking about making it a very hands on class. Perhaps have students build drone or something of the sort. Of course, that may be a tad advanced for the beginning of the school year. Any suggestions? A simple soldering project that leads into something bigger?   I honestly want to make the class like the youtube channel Hak5, if youve ever seen it","c_root_id_A":"dn1dtv9","c_root_id_B":"dn1enhx","created_at_utc_A":1505476938,"created_at_utc_B":1505478385,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Personally, (and not being EE or CS) I'm not sure about the arduino suggestions (I would have to google how to program one.)  I like the popsicle stick bridge (they have to build a bridge across a 24\" gap and each bridge is tested with weight plates to destruction.)  as a discussion on Statics (do each subject with a lab project like this.)  Dynamics is the egg drop, they have to design a method to propel an egg (you provide, so no hard boiling) over some arbitrary object (we had to get it higher than the top of our high school gym) and down onto asphalt without breaking it.  Etc.  So for each topic, you get a lecture series, test, and practical \"fun\" lab...  you can include the line following robot, etc., but don't go all software and electronics.","human_ref_B":"Make all the tests open book and grade them on an obscure curve. St least they'll get a feel what a college engineering class is like...","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1447.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"705uu9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"HS physics teacher, was given an extra class of \"engineering\" bc the teacher quit. I have free reign to design the course however I want to. What types of projects\/skills should I be teaching my kids. I was thinking about making it a very hands on class. Perhaps have students build drone or something of the sort. Of course, that may be a tad advanced for the beginning of the school year. Any suggestions? A simple soldering project that leads into something bigger?   I honestly want to make the class like the youtube channel Hak5, if youve ever seen it","c_root_id_A":"dn1vo5d","c_root_id_B":"dn0pj0o","created_at_utc_A":1505497984,"created_at_utc_B":1505432900,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Teach them about requirements!! Teach them to define problem at its most simple. What does have to do and how can we satisfy those requirements. That will be applicable in any engineering discipline and is just a good life lesson.   Let's design a car! Wait do we need a car?   Our design is required to: 1. Carry humans comfortably from one place to another  2. Transport these people thousands of miles at once 3. We want optimize speed of travel 4. We need to cover rough terrain and\/water  OH look we don't want a car, really what we want is a simple airplane. Designing a car to meet those requirements would be tremendously difficult. And now we have a checklist to design to as well. We can test our design to see if it satisfies those requirements and if it does, we can claim success.  Also its an easy thing to teach and doesn't require a lot of resources.","human_ref_B":"A box of \"junk\" building supplies and have them build a trebuchet. Maybe Dow rods and glue duct tape and string etc","labels":1,"seconds_difference":65084.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"705uu9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"HS physics teacher, was given an extra class of \"engineering\" bc the teacher quit. I have free reign to design the course however I want to. What types of projects\/skills should I be teaching my kids. I was thinking about making it a very hands on class. Perhaps have students build drone or something of the sort. Of course, that may be a tad advanced for the beginning of the school year. Any suggestions? A simple soldering project that leads into something bigger?   I honestly want to make the class like the youtube channel Hak5, if youve ever seen it","c_root_id_A":"dn0rku8","c_root_id_B":"dn1vo5d","created_at_utc_A":1505435606,"created_at_utc_B":1505497984,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I know this isn't the sexiest idea, but I'd suggest giving them a prompt (e.g. a hand powered drill press) and have them complete a full design, including a full assembly drawing, bill of materials, component drawings, cost (maybe with quotes if some machine shop is amenable), and lead time. Maybe some simple analysis like how fast they expect the drill to turn or how much torque it could generate. I like this idea bc it's very close to what I do as an engineer on a daily basis, and it doesn't require any extra tools or equipment that the school has to buy. Details are important in this type of design and getting practice early helps a lot.  This part is just my opinion, but penmanship should count on a hand drawing. If one of my colleagues handed something to me that was in any way less than clear, it would be handed back to them.  If you'd actually like to do this project and would like some help on picking a prompt, or what I look for in drawings, etc, pm me.","human_ref_B":"Teach them about requirements!! Teach them to define problem at its most simple. What does have to do and how can we satisfy those requirements. That will be applicable in any engineering discipline and is just a good life lesson.   Let's design a car! Wait do we need a car?   Our design is required to: 1. Carry humans comfortably from one place to another  2. Transport these people thousands of miles at once 3. We want optimize speed of travel 4. We need to cover rough terrain and\/water  OH look we don't want a car, really what we want is a simple airplane. Designing a car to meet those requirements would be tremendously difficult. And now we have a checklist to design to as well. We can test our design to see if it satisfies those requirements and if it does, we can claim success.  Also its an easy thing to teach and doesn't require a lot of resources.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":62378.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"705uu9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"HS physics teacher, was given an extra class of \"engineering\" bc the teacher quit. I have free reign to design the course however I want to. What types of projects\/skills should I be teaching my kids. I was thinking about making it a very hands on class. Perhaps have students build drone or something of the sort. Of course, that may be a tad advanced for the beginning of the school year. Any suggestions? A simple soldering project that leads into something bigger?   I honestly want to make the class like the youtube channel Hak5, if youve ever seen it","c_root_id_A":"dn1480b","c_root_id_B":"dn1vo5d","created_at_utc_A":1505453317,"created_at_utc_B":1505497984,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Lots of good project ideas.   A skill worth teaching is some form of design analysis. I've had kids do a dfmea on various things and it was quite instructional in how a design process actually works","human_ref_B":"Teach them about requirements!! Teach them to define problem at its most simple. What does have to do and how can we satisfy those requirements. That will be applicable in any engineering discipline and is just a good life lesson.   Let's design a car! Wait do we need a car?   Our design is required to: 1. Carry humans comfortably from one place to another  2. Transport these people thousands of miles at once 3. We want optimize speed of travel 4. We need to cover rough terrain and\/water  OH look we don't want a car, really what we want is a simple airplane. Designing a car to meet those requirements would be tremendously difficult. And now we have a checklist to design to as well. We can test our design to see if it satisfies those requirements and if it does, we can claim success.  Also its an easy thing to teach and doesn't require a lot of resources.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":44667.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"705uu9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"HS physics teacher, was given an extra class of \"engineering\" bc the teacher quit. I have free reign to design the course however I want to. What types of projects\/skills should I be teaching my kids. I was thinking about making it a very hands on class. Perhaps have students build drone or something of the sort. Of course, that may be a tad advanced for the beginning of the school year. Any suggestions? A simple soldering project that leads into something bigger?   I honestly want to make the class like the youtube channel Hak5, if youve ever seen it","c_root_id_A":"dn1dtv9","c_root_id_B":"dn1vo5d","created_at_utc_A":1505476938,"created_at_utc_B":1505497984,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Personally, (and not being EE or CS) I'm not sure about the arduino suggestions (I would have to google how to program one.)  I like the popsicle stick bridge (they have to build a bridge across a 24\" gap and each bridge is tested with weight plates to destruction.)  as a discussion on Statics (do each subject with a lab project like this.)  Dynamics is the egg drop, they have to design a method to propel an egg (you provide, so no hard boiling) over some arbitrary object (we had to get it higher than the top of our high school gym) and down onto asphalt without breaking it.  Etc.  So for each topic, you get a lecture series, test, and practical \"fun\" lab...  you can include the line following robot, etc., but don't go all software and electronics.","human_ref_B":"Teach them about requirements!! Teach them to define problem at its most simple. What does have to do and how can we satisfy those requirements. That will be applicable in any engineering discipline and is just a good life lesson.   Let's design a car! Wait do we need a car?   Our design is required to: 1. Carry humans comfortably from one place to another  2. Transport these people thousands of miles at once 3. We want optimize speed of travel 4. We need to cover rough terrain and\/water  OH look we don't want a car, really what we want is a simple airplane. Designing a car to meet those requirements would be tremendously difficult. And now we have a checklist to design to as well. We can test our design to see if it satisfies those requirements and if it does, we can claim success.  Also its an easy thing to teach and doesn't require a lot of resources.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":21046.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"a7bce5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Could you easily do most of the problem sets you were assigned to do that were given in your introductory physics(ie classical mechanics and classical E&M) again without reviewing the material over again or would most of the material be forgotten if you did not review it?","c_root_id_A":"ec1o8pk","c_root_id_B":"ec1lt8d","created_at_utc_A":1545144463,"created_at_utc_B":1545142149,"score_A":48,"score_B":19,"human_ref_A":"If it requires more than V=RI, F=MA, PV=nRT, or simple derivative or integral. Lol nope.","human_ref_B":"Nope .","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2314.0,"score_ratio":2.5263157895}
{"post_id":"a7bce5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Could you easily do most of the problem sets you were assigned to do that were given in your introductory physics(ie classical mechanics and classical E&M) again without reviewing the material over again or would most of the material be forgotten if you did not review it?","c_root_id_A":"ec1m0t3","c_root_id_B":"ec1o8pk","created_at_utc_A":1545142363,"created_at_utc_B":1545144463,"score_A":2,"score_B":48,"human_ref_A":"With the exception of fluid mechanics (which I just finished recording a series of video lectures), i'd have to skim through my textbooks before doing anything too rigorous","human_ref_B":"If it requires more than V=RI, F=MA, PV=nRT, or simple derivative or integral. Lol nope.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2100.0,"score_ratio":24.0}
{"post_id":"a7bce5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Could you easily do most of the problem sets you were assigned to do that were given in your introductory physics(ie classical mechanics and classical E&M) again without reviewing the material over again or would most of the material be forgotten if you did not review it?","c_root_id_A":"ec1lt8d","c_root_id_B":"ec1rbbp","created_at_utc_A":1545142149,"created_at_utc_B":1545147103,"score_A":19,"score_B":42,"human_ref_A":"Nope .","human_ref_B":"My general intuition has drastically improved since undergrad, so I'd have a good idea of \"This is the approach I'd take\" or \"These are the formulas I'd need\", or even \"This is a good order of magnitude for the answer\".   But in terms of actually solving the problems, I don't think you'd find too many people more than a few years out of school that would be able to do that. No one actually remembers how to solve serious integrals anymore, honestly no one even remembers most of the formulas either. Engineering careers are very different from engineering classes.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4954.0,"score_ratio":2.2105263158}
{"post_id":"a7bce5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Could you easily do most of the problem sets you were assigned to do that were given in your introductory physics(ie classical mechanics and classical E&M) again without reviewing the material over again or would most of the material be forgotten if you did not review it?","c_root_id_A":"ec1rbbp","c_root_id_B":"ec1o9q1","created_at_utc_A":1545147103,"created_at_utc_B":1545144488,"score_A":42,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"My general intuition has drastically improved since undergrad, so I'd have a good idea of \"This is the approach I'd take\" or \"These are the formulas I'd need\", or even \"This is a good order of magnitude for the answer\".   But in terms of actually solving the problems, I don't think you'd find too many people more than a few years out of school that would be able to do that. No one actually remembers how to solve serious integrals anymore, honestly no one even remembers most of the formulas either. Engineering careers are very different from engineering classes.","human_ref_B":"I dunno about physics, but my daughter is reviewing for finals HS chemistry right now (sophomore, an AP level class), and so far, when she looks up and asks me stuff as she goes through finals study guides, I have been able to answer her accurately.  Not bad, me being a civil engineer and a mere 45 years out of HS chemistry.  I have been more surprised by this than her.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2615.0,"score_ratio":10.5}
{"post_id":"a7bce5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Could you easily do most of the problem sets you were assigned to do that were given in your introductory physics(ie classical mechanics and classical E&M) again without reviewing the material over again or would most of the material be forgotten if you did not review it?","c_root_id_A":"ec1rbbp","c_root_id_B":"ec1qmzw","created_at_utc_A":1545147103,"created_at_utc_B":1545146541,"score_A":42,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"My general intuition has drastically improved since undergrad, so I'd have a good idea of \"This is the approach I'd take\" or \"These are the formulas I'd need\", or even \"This is a good order of magnitude for the answer\".   But in terms of actually solving the problems, I don't think you'd find too many people more than a few years out of school that would be able to do that. No one actually remembers how to solve serious integrals anymore, honestly no one even remembers most of the formulas either. Engineering careers are very different from engineering classes.","human_ref_B":"I don't think I could easily do them when I was in class","labels":1,"seconds_difference":562.0,"score_ratio":14.0}
{"post_id":"a7bce5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Could you easily do most of the problem sets you were assigned to do that were given in your introductory physics(ie classical mechanics and classical E&M) again without reviewing the material over again or would most of the material be forgotten if you did not review it?","c_root_id_A":"ec1m0t3","c_root_id_B":"ec1rbbp","created_at_utc_A":1545142363,"created_at_utc_B":1545147103,"score_A":2,"score_B":42,"human_ref_A":"With the exception of fluid mechanics (which I just finished recording a series of video lectures), i'd have to skim through my textbooks before doing anything too rigorous","human_ref_B":"My general intuition has drastically improved since undergrad, so I'd have a good idea of \"This is the approach I'd take\" or \"These are the formulas I'd need\", or even \"This is a good order of magnitude for the answer\".   But in terms of actually solving the problems, I don't think you'd find too many people more than a few years out of school that would be able to do that. No one actually remembers how to solve serious integrals anymore, honestly no one even remembers most of the formulas either. Engineering careers are very different from engineering classes.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4740.0,"score_ratio":21.0}
{"post_id":"a7bce5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Could you easily do most of the problem sets you were assigned to do that were given in your introductory physics(ie classical mechanics and classical E&M) again without reviewing the material over again or would most of the material be forgotten if you did not review it?","c_root_id_A":"ec1lt8d","c_root_id_B":"ec1xri6","created_at_utc_A":1545142149,"created_at_utc_B":1545152162,"score_A":19,"score_B":22,"human_ref_A":"Nope .","human_ref_B":"Anyone else find posts like this a bit ridiculous?   To me this screams \"reassure me that it's okay to not fully understand the material (ie. do poor) in this core class because practicing engineers don't remember it either\".","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10013.0,"score_ratio":1.1578947368}
{"post_id":"a7bce5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Could you easily do most of the problem sets you were assigned to do that were given in your introductory physics(ie classical mechanics and classical E&M) again without reviewing the material over again or would most of the material be forgotten if you did not review it?","c_root_id_A":"ec1souc","c_root_id_B":"ec1xri6","created_at_utc_A":1545148216,"created_at_utc_B":1545152162,"score_A":14,"score_B":22,"human_ref_A":"I graduated from undergrad 11 years ago and would struggle mightily with much of the material presented in 200-300 level classes, or involving much calculus.  I'm proficient with the skills needed to do my job on a daily basis, and most everything else is a faded haze.  That's not to say that I couldn't review the material and be able to use it again.  But my brain has a finite amount of space and the vast amount of OJT accumulated over the years has pushed the rest out.  Life isn't about memorizing everything from college courses.  Undergrad is about learning how to learn, to get your job done, and giving you a broad skill set, from which you will select needed tools and hone them.  Edit: spelling correction","human_ref_B":"Anyone else find posts like this a bit ridiculous?   To me this screams \"reassure me that it's okay to not fully understand the material (ie. do poor) in this core class because practicing engineers don't remember it either\".","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3946.0,"score_ratio":1.5714285714}
{"post_id":"a7bce5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Could you easily do most of the problem sets you were assigned to do that were given in your introductory physics(ie classical mechanics and classical E&M) again without reviewing the material over again or would most of the material be forgotten if you did not review it?","c_root_id_A":"ec1xri6","c_root_id_B":"ec1o9q1","created_at_utc_A":1545152162,"created_at_utc_B":1545144488,"score_A":22,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Anyone else find posts like this a bit ridiculous?   To me this screams \"reassure me that it's okay to not fully understand the material (ie. do poor) in this core class because practicing engineers don't remember it either\".","human_ref_B":"I dunno about physics, but my daughter is reviewing for finals HS chemistry right now (sophomore, an AP level class), and so far, when she looks up and asks me stuff as she goes through finals study guides, I have been able to answer her accurately.  Not bad, me being a civil engineer and a mere 45 years out of HS chemistry.  I have been more surprised by this than her.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7674.0,"score_ratio":5.5}
{"post_id":"a7bce5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Could you easily do most of the problem sets you were assigned to do that were given in your introductory physics(ie classical mechanics and classical E&M) again without reviewing the material over again or would most of the material be forgotten if you did not review it?","c_root_id_A":"ec1xri6","c_root_id_B":"ec1qmzw","created_at_utc_A":1545152162,"created_at_utc_B":1545146541,"score_A":22,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Anyone else find posts like this a bit ridiculous?   To me this screams \"reassure me that it's okay to not fully understand the material (ie. do poor) in this core class because practicing engineers don't remember it either\".","human_ref_B":"I don't think I could easily do them when I was in class","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5621.0,"score_ratio":7.3333333333}
{"post_id":"a7bce5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Could you easily do most of the problem sets you were assigned to do that were given in your introductory physics(ie classical mechanics and classical E&M) again without reviewing the material over again or would most of the material be forgotten if you did not review it?","c_root_id_A":"ec1tztn","c_root_id_B":"ec1xri6","created_at_utc_A":1545149253,"created_at_utc_B":1545152162,"score_A":3,"score_B":22,"human_ref_A":"Probably not even the easiest one.   Edit: For the record I graduated from Mech Eng. In 2017. For most of my studies I thought we were still learning stupid theoretical stuff we wouldn't need to use becuase computer or fancy calculators did it all... Boy was I wrong.","human_ref_B":"Anyone else find posts like this a bit ridiculous?   To me this screams \"reassure me that it's okay to not fully understand the material (ie. do poor) in this core class because practicing engineers don't remember it either\".","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2909.0,"score_ratio":7.3333333333}
{"post_id":"a7bce5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Could you easily do most of the problem sets you were assigned to do that were given in your introductory physics(ie classical mechanics and classical E&M) again without reviewing the material over again or would most of the material be forgotten if you did not review it?","c_root_id_A":"ec1m0t3","c_root_id_B":"ec1xri6","created_at_utc_A":1545142363,"created_at_utc_B":1545152162,"score_A":2,"score_B":22,"human_ref_A":"With the exception of fluid mechanics (which I just finished recording a series of video lectures), i'd have to skim through my textbooks before doing anything too rigorous","human_ref_B":"Anyone else find posts like this a bit ridiculous?   To me this screams \"reassure me that it's okay to not fully understand the material (ie. do poor) in this core class because practicing engineers don't remember it either\".","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9799.0,"score_ratio":11.0}
{"post_id":"a7bce5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Could you easily do most of the problem sets you were assigned to do that were given in your introductory physics(ie classical mechanics and classical E&M) again without reviewing the material over again or would most of the material be forgotten if you did not review it?","c_root_id_A":"ec1xri6","c_root_id_B":"ec1xr47","created_at_utc_A":1545152162,"created_at_utc_B":1545152153,"score_A":22,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Anyone else find posts like this a bit ridiculous?   To me this screams \"reassure me that it's okay to not fully understand the material (ie. do poor) in this core class because practicing engineers don't remember it either\".","human_ref_B":"Just to add my own two cents to this conversation, I'm a chemical engineer. I work as a process engineer for my company, and our company has process engineers get involved in a lot of different things. Therefore, I may have a little more fresh in my mind that most (not to mention I'm only 6 years out of school). Therefore, I constantly have some random thing some up where I use something from school. I'll give some examples below.  &#x200B;  Ideal Gas and EoS: We do a lot of PT comp. in the DCS. This formula comes up a lot. Easy to remember. I even (since I'm in the states) have R memorized at 10.73. A lot of people even have the next step memorized going from SCFH to moles.  &#x200B;  Bernoulli equation: I'm one of those weird people that still does a decent bit of stuff by hand to make sure anything I model was back checked. Not everyone does this because if you're good with your inputs, your outputs should be good.  However, due to the number of orifice plates I size and that equation being directly from the Bernoulli equation, that one is really easy for me to pull up from memory.   &#x200B;  Fan Laws: Pumps are very key to plant performance. So are compressors, but due to residual enthalpy calculations, you'll rarely do that by hand or off of a basic curve out in the field. These laws are easily memorized for quick scaling and troubleshooting in case a pump doesn't act like it should.  &#x200B;  Commonly used conversions: Watt to Hp. BTU\/h to ton. gpm to m3\/h. There are a lot that kind of stick in your head if you deal with people from around the world.  &#x200B;  Reaction kinetics: These formulas are pretty basic for the most part, so you really only remembering le Chatelie's principle and the different types of reaction kinetics (how conversion relates to each partial pressure). All goes back to EoS.  &#x200B;  How to read and use different phase diagrams: T\/P-X\/Y diagrams. Ternary phase diagrams. You name it, it'll probably be used. The big one is usually Henry's law due to so many environmental concerns as you're dealing with ppm (infinitely dilute) levels in solutions.  &#x200B;  I have had member deflection come up every once in a while, but we have plant engineers for that. I like to get involved on those as a mental exercise, but I may just be driving the mechanical group crazy with that.  &#x200B;  All that to say that's specific to me. Not everyone is going to use everything from school. If you don't use it, it's easy to forget, and that's true of things that aren't even related to school. The important thing to remember is to know what you know and what you don't know. You don't have to know everything, but you should be able to know where to find it. The other really good thing to learn are the rubrics. Know what's important and what can be thrown out. If you're doing a ternary EoS for Air, you're working too hard to be more accurate than is reasonable when you're measurements are orders of magnitude more inaccurate. Good engineers learn how to filter out the noise. Hopefully that helps.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9.0,"score_ratio":11.0}
{"post_id":"a7bce5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Could you easily do most of the problem sets you were assigned to do that were given in your introductory physics(ie classical mechanics and classical E&M) again without reviewing the material over again or would most of the material be forgotten if you did not review it?","c_root_id_A":"ec1o9q1","c_root_id_B":"ec1souc","created_at_utc_A":1545144488,"created_at_utc_B":1545148216,"score_A":4,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"I dunno about physics, but my daughter is reviewing for finals HS chemistry right now (sophomore, an AP level class), and so far, when she looks up and asks me stuff as she goes through finals study guides, I have been able to answer her accurately.  Not bad, me being a civil engineer and a mere 45 years out of HS chemistry.  I have been more surprised by this than her.","human_ref_B":"I graduated from undergrad 11 years ago and would struggle mightily with much of the material presented in 200-300 level classes, or involving much calculus.  I'm proficient with the skills needed to do my job on a daily basis, and most everything else is a faded haze.  That's not to say that I couldn't review the material and be able to use it again.  But my brain has a finite amount of space and the vast amount of OJT accumulated over the years has pushed the rest out.  Life isn't about memorizing everything from college courses.  Undergrad is about learning how to learn, to get your job done, and giving you a broad skill set, from which you will select needed tools and hone them.  Edit: spelling correction","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3728.0,"score_ratio":3.5}
{"post_id":"a7bce5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Could you easily do most of the problem sets you were assigned to do that were given in your introductory physics(ie classical mechanics and classical E&M) again without reviewing the material over again or would most of the material be forgotten if you did not review it?","c_root_id_A":"ec1souc","c_root_id_B":"ec1qmzw","created_at_utc_A":1545148216,"created_at_utc_B":1545146541,"score_A":14,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I graduated from undergrad 11 years ago and would struggle mightily with much of the material presented in 200-300 level classes, or involving much calculus.  I'm proficient with the skills needed to do my job on a daily basis, and most everything else is a faded haze.  That's not to say that I couldn't review the material and be able to use it again.  But my brain has a finite amount of space and the vast amount of OJT accumulated over the years has pushed the rest out.  Life isn't about memorizing everything from college courses.  Undergrad is about learning how to learn, to get your job done, and giving you a broad skill set, from which you will select needed tools and hone them.  Edit: spelling correction","human_ref_B":"I don't think I could easily do them when I was in class","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1675.0,"score_ratio":4.6666666667}
{"post_id":"a7bce5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Could you easily do most of the problem sets you were assigned to do that were given in your introductory physics(ie classical mechanics and classical E&M) again without reviewing the material over again or would most of the material be forgotten if you did not review it?","c_root_id_A":"ec1souc","c_root_id_B":"ec1m0t3","created_at_utc_A":1545148216,"created_at_utc_B":1545142363,"score_A":14,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I graduated from undergrad 11 years ago and would struggle mightily with much of the material presented in 200-300 level classes, or involving much calculus.  I'm proficient with the skills needed to do my job on a daily basis, and most everything else is a faded haze.  That's not to say that I couldn't review the material and be able to use it again.  But my brain has a finite amount of space and the vast amount of OJT accumulated over the years has pushed the rest out.  Life isn't about memorizing everything from college courses.  Undergrad is about learning how to learn, to get your job done, and giving you a broad skill set, from which you will select needed tools and hone them.  Edit: spelling correction","human_ref_B":"With the exception of fluid mechanics (which I just finished recording a series of video lectures), i'd have to skim through my textbooks before doing anything too rigorous","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5853.0,"score_ratio":7.0}
{"post_id":"a7bce5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Could you easily do most of the problem sets you were assigned to do that were given in your introductory physics(ie classical mechanics and classical E&M) again without reviewing the material over again or would most of the material be forgotten if you did not review it?","c_root_id_A":"ec1yar6","c_root_id_B":"ec1o9q1","created_at_utc_A":1545152575,"created_at_utc_B":1545144488,"score_A":7,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I work in Radar and the answer is probably still no.  Engineering isn't about memorizing formulas. It's about knowing how to find them and knowing how to apply them.","human_ref_B":"I dunno about physics, but my daughter is reviewing for finals HS chemistry right now (sophomore, an AP level class), and so far, when she looks up and asks me stuff as she goes through finals study guides, I have been able to answer her accurately.  Not bad, me being a civil engineer and a mere 45 years out of HS chemistry.  I have been more surprised by this than her.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8087.0,"score_ratio":1.75}
{"post_id":"a7bce5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Could you easily do most of the problem sets you were assigned to do that were given in your introductory physics(ie classical mechanics and classical E&M) again without reviewing the material over again or would most of the material be forgotten if you did not review it?","c_root_id_A":"ec1yar6","c_root_id_B":"ec1qmzw","created_at_utc_A":1545152575,"created_at_utc_B":1545146541,"score_A":7,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I work in Radar and the answer is probably still no.  Engineering isn't about memorizing formulas. It's about knowing how to find them and knowing how to apply them.","human_ref_B":"I don't think I could easily do them when I was in class","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6034.0,"score_ratio":2.3333333333}
{"post_id":"a7bce5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Could you easily do most of the problem sets you were assigned to do that were given in your introductory physics(ie classical mechanics and classical E&M) again without reviewing the material over again or would most of the material be forgotten if you did not review it?","c_root_id_A":"ec1yar6","c_root_id_B":"ec1tztn","created_at_utc_A":1545152575,"created_at_utc_B":1545149253,"score_A":7,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I work in Radar and the answer is probably still no.  Engineering isn't about memorizing formulas. It's about knowing how to find them and knowing how to apply them.","human_ref_B":"Probably not even the easiest one.   Edit: For the record I graduated from Mech Eng. In 2017. For most of my studies I thought we were still learning stupid theoretical stuff we wouldn't need to use becuase computer or fancy calculators did it all... Boy was I wrong.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3322.0,"score_ratio":2.3333333333}
{"post_id":"a7bce5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Could you easily do most of the problem sets you were assigned to do that were given in your introductory physics(ie classical mechanics and classical E&M) again without reviewing the material over again or would most of the material be forgotten if you did not review it?","c_root_id_A":"ec1m0t3","c_root_id_B":"ec1yar6","created_at_utc_A":1545142363,"created_at_utc_B":1545152575,"score_A":2,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"With the exception of fluid mechanics (which I just finished recording a series of video lectures), i'd have to skim through my textbooks before doing anything too rigorous","human_ref_B":"I work in Radar and the answer is probably still no.  Engineering isn't about memorizing formulas. It's about knowing how to find them and knowing how to apply them.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10212.0,"score_ratio":3.5}
{"post_id":"a7bce5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Could you easily do most of the problem sets you were assigned to do that were given in your introductory physics(ie classical mechanics and classical E&M) again without reviewing the material over again or would most of the material be forgotten if you did not review it?","c_root_id_A":"ec1xr47","c_root_id_B":"ec1yar6","created_at_utc_A":1545152153,"created_at_utc_B":1545152575,"score_A":2,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Just to add my own two cents to this conversation, I'm a chemical engineer. I work as a process engineer for my company, and our company has process engineers get involved in a lot of different things. Therefore, I may have a little more fresh in my mind that most (not to mention I'm only 6 years out of school). Therefore, I constantly have some random thing some up where I use something from school. I'll give some examples below.  &#x200B;  Ideal Gas and EoS: We do a lot of PT comp. in the DCS. This formula comes up a lot. Easy to remember. I even (since I'm in the states) have R memorized at 10.73. A lot of people even have the next step memorized going from SCFH to moles.  &#x200B;  Bernoulli equation: I'm one of those weird people that still does a decent bit of stuff by hand to make sure anything I model was back checked. Not everyone does this because if you're good with your inputs, your outputs should be good.  However, due to the number of orifice plates I size and that equation being directly from the Bernoulli equation, that one is really easy for me to pull up from memory.   &#x200B;  Fan Laws: Pumps are very key to plant performance. So are compressors, but due to residual enthalpy calculations, you'll rarely do that by hand or off of a basic curve out in the field. These laws are easily memorized for quick scaling and troubleshooting in case a pump doesn't act like it should.  &#x200B;  Commonly used conversions: Watt to Hp. BTU\/h to ton. gpm to m3\/h. There are a lot that kind of stick in your head if you deal with people from around the world.  &#x200B;  Reaction kinetics: These formulas are pretty basic for the most part, so you really only remembering le Chatelie's principle and the different types of reaction kinetics (how conversion relates to each partial pressure). All goes back to EoS.  &#x200B;  How to read and use different phase diagrams: T\/P-X\/Y diagrams. Ternary phase diagrams. You name it, it'll probably be used. The big one is usually Henry's law due to so many environmental concerns as you're dealing with ppm (infinitely dilute) levels in solutions.  &#x200B;  I have had member deflection come up every once in a while, but we have plant engineers for that. I like to get involved on those as a mental exercise, but I may just be driving the mechanical group crazy with that.  &#x200B;  All that to say that's specific to me. Not everyone is going to use everything from school. If you don't use it, it's easy to forget, and that's true of things that aren't even related to school. The important thing to remember is to know what you know and what you don't know. You don't have to know everything, but you should be able to know where to find it. The other really good thing to learn are the rubrics. Know what's important and what can be thrown out. If you're doing a ternary EoS for Air, you're working too hard to be more accurate than is reasonable when you're measurements are orders of magnitude more inaccurate. Good engineers learn how to filter out the noise. Hopefully that helps.","human_ref_B":"I work in Radar and the answer is probably still no.  Engineering isn't about memorizing formulas. It's about knowing how to find them and knowing how to apply them.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":422.0,"score_ratio":3.5}
{"post_id":"a7bce5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Could you easily do most of the problem sets you were assigned to do that were given in your introductory physics(ie classical mechanics and classical E&M) again without reviewing the material over again or would most of the material be forgotten if you did not review it?","c_root_id_A":"ec1m0t3","c_root_id_B":"ec1o9q1","created_at_utc_A":1545142363,"created_at_utc_B":1545144488,"score_A":2,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"With the exception of fluid mechanics (which I just finished recording a series of video lectures), i'd have to skim through my textbooks before doing anything too rigorous","human_ref_B":"I dunno about physics, but my daughter is reviewing for finals HS chemistry right now (sophomore, an AP level class), and so far, when she looks up and asks me stuff as she goes through finals study guides, I have been able to answer her accurately.  Not bad, me being a civil engineer and a mere 45 years out of HS chemistry.  I have been more surprised by this than her.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2125.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"a7bce5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Could you easily do most of the problem sets you were assigned to do that were given in your introductory physics(ie classical mechanics and classical E&M) again without reviewing the material over again or would most of the material be forgotten if you did not review it?","c_root_id_A":"ec1qmzw","c_root_id_B":"ec271h3","created_at_utc_A":1545146541,"created_at_utc_B":1545159075,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I don't think I could easily do them when I was in class","human_ref_B":"I left school 40 years ago. Just for grins 3 years ago I did the MIT MOOC in AP Classical mechanics. I listened to none of the lectures, but I did all the coursework and quizzes and the excellent experiments. 98%.  &#x200B;  &#x200B;","labels":0,"seconds_difference":12534.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"a7bce5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Could you easily do most of the problem sets you were assigned to do that were given in your introductory physics(ie classical mechanics and classical E&M) again without reviewing the material over again or would most of the material be forgotten if you did not review it?","c_root_id_A":"ec1qmzw","c_root_id_B":"ec1m0t3","created_at_utc_A":1545146541,"created_at_utc_B":1545142363,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I don't think I could easily do them when I was in class","human_ref_B":"With the exception of fluid mechanics (which I just finished recording a series of video lectures), i'd have to skim through my textbooks before doing anything too rigorous","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4178.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"a7bce5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Could you easily do most of the problem sets you were assigned to do that were given in your introductory physics(ie classical mechanics and classical E&M) again without reviewing the material over again or would most of the material be forgotten if you did not review it?","c_root_id_A":"ec271h3","c_root_id_B":"ec1tztn","created_at_utc_A":1545159075,"created_at_utc_B":1545149253,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I left school 40 years ago. Just for grins 3 years ago I did the MIT MOOC in AP Classical mechanics. I listened to none of the lectures, but I did all the coursework and quizzes and the excellent experiments. 98%.  &#x200B;  &#x200B;","human_ref_B":"Probably not even the easiest one.   Edit: For the record I graduated from Mech Eng. In 2017. For most of my studies I thought we were still learning stupid theoretical stuff we wouldn't need to use becuase computer or fancy calculators did it all... Boy was I wrong.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9822.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"a7bce5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Could you easily do most of the problem sets you were assigned to do that were given in your introductory physics(ie classical mechanics and classical E&M) again without reviewing the material over again or would most of the material be forgotten if you did not review it?","c_root_id_A":"ec271h3","c_root_id_B":"ec1m0t3","created_at_utc_A":1545159075,"created_at_utc_B":1545142363,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I left school 40 years ago. Just for grins 3 years ago I did the MIT MOOC in AP Classical mechanics. I listened to none of the lectures, but I did all the coursework and quizzes and the excellent experiments. 98%.  &#x200B;  &#x200B;","human_ref_B":"With the exception of fluid mechanics (which I just finished recording a series of video lectures), i'd have to skim through my textbooks before doing anything too rigorous","labels":1,"seconds_difference":16712.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"a7bce5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Could you easily do most of the problem sets you were assigned to do that were given in your introductory physics(ie classical mechanics and classical E&M) again without reviewing the material over again or would most of the material be forgotten if you did not review it?","c_root_id_A":"ec1xr47","c_root_id_B":"ec271h3","created_at_utc_A":1545152153,"created_at_utc_B":1545159075,"score_A":2,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Just to add my own two cents to this conversation, I'm a chemical engineer. I work as a process engineer for my company, and our company has process engineers get involved in a lot of different things. Therefore, I may have a little more fresh in my mind that most (not to mention I'm only 6 years out of school). Therefore, I constantly have some random thing some up where I use something from school. I'll give some examples below.  &#x200B;  Ideal Gas and EoS: We do a lot of PT comp. in the DCS. This formula comes up a lot. Easy to remember. I even (since I'm in the states) have R memorized at 10.73. A lot of people even have the next step memorized going from SCFH to moles.  &#x200B;  Bernoulli equation: I'm one of those weird people that still does a decent bit of stuff by hand to make sure anything I model was back checked. Not everyone does this because if you're good with your inputs, your outputs should be good.  However, due to the number of orifice plates I size and that equation being directly from the Bernoulli equation, that one is really easy for me to pull up from memory.   &#x200B;  Fan Laws: Pumps are very key to plant performance. So are compressors, but due to residual enthalpy calculations, you'll rarely do that by hand or off of a basic curve out in the field. These laws are easily memorized for quick scaling and troubleshooting in case a pump doesn't act like it should.  &#x200B;  Commonly used conversions: Watt to Hp. BTU\/h to ton. gpm to m3\/h. There are a lot that kind of stick in your head if you deal with people from around the world.  &#x200B;  Reaction kinetics: These formulas are pretty basic for the most part, so you really only remembering le Chatelie's principle and the different types of reaction kinetics (how conversion relates to each partial pressure). All goes back to EoS.  &#x200B;  How to read and use different phase diagrams: T\/P-X\/Y diagrams. Ternary phase diagrams. You name it, it'll probably be used. The big one is usually Henry's law due to so many environmental concerns as you're dealing with ppm (infinitely dilute) levels in solutions.  &#x200B;  I have had member deflection come up every once in a while, but we have plant engineers for that. I like to get involved on those as a mental exercise, but I may just be driving the mechanical group crazy with that.  &#x200B;  All that to say that's specific to me. Not everyone is going to use everything from school. If you don't use it, it's easy to forget, and that's true of things that aren't even related to school. The important thing to remember is to know what you know and what you don't know. You don't have to know everything, but you should be able to know where to find it. The other really good thing to learn are the rubrics. Know what's important and what can be thrown out. If you're doing a ternary EoS for Air, you're working too hard to be more accurate than is reasonable when you're measurements are orders of magnitude more inaccurate. Good engineers learn how to filter out the noise. Hopefully that helps.","human_ref_B":"I left school 40 years ago. Just for grins 3 years ago I did the MIT MOOC in AP Classical mechanics. I listened to none of the lectures, but I did all the coursework and quizzes and the excellent experiments. 98%.  &#x200B;  &#x200B;","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6922.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"a7bce5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Could you easily do most of the problem sets you were assigned to do that were given in your introductory physics(ie classical mechanics and classical E&M) again without reviewing the material over again or would most of the material be forgotten if you did not review it?","c_root_id_A":"ec271h3","c_root_id_B":"ec1yenp","created_at_utc_A":1545159075,"created_at_utc_B":1545152658,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I left school 40 years ago. Just for grins 3 years ago I did the MIT MOOC in AP Classical mechanics. I listened to none of the lectures, but I did all the coursework and quizzes and the excellent experiments. 98%.  &#x200B;  &#x200B;","human_ref_B":"I don't think you're asking the right question. Gun to my head and equation in front of me, no. But I couldn't do it like that in undergrad either. The point is learning the problem solving skills.   In the real world om not told \"do this Bernoulli equation\". In the real world I'm faced with an problem I need to solve. I need to figure out what variables I do know, which equations I need to use, and how to find any additional information I don't have offhand. I don't for one second feel bad that I have to look up the equation again and possibly follow along with an example to make sure I'm doing it correctly. Being able to regurgitate math problems doesn't make you a good engineer.   The actual application in a real world setting, being able to identify which tools you need, and being able to look at an answer and see if it makes sense is what makes you a good engineer. The point of learning those problems in undergrad is not so you can solve them on a whim 10 years later, it's that so you truly understand the fundamentals of engineering and can problem solve in unknown situations.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6417.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"a7bce5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Could you easily do most of the problem sets you were assigned to do that were given in your introductory physics(ie classical mechanics and classical E&M) again without reviewing the material over again or would most of the material be forgotten if you did not review it?","c_root_id_A":"ec1tztn","c_root_id_B":"ec1m0t3","created_at_utc_A":1545149253,"created_at_utc_B":1545142363,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Probably not even the easiest one.   Edit: For the record I graduated from Mech Eng. In 2017. For most of my studies I thought we were still learning stupid theoretical stuff we wouldn't need to use becuase computer or fancy calculators did it all... Boy was I wrong.","human_ref_B":"With the exception of fluid mechanics (which I just finished recording a series of video lectures), i'd have to skim through my textbooks before doing anything too rigorous","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6890.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"q0z11","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"I've been thinking about going into Engineering when it hit me, I don't actually know what it is you do all day. So, what do you do all day? What does someone in whatever your discipline spend their average day doing, and do you enjoy it?","c_root_id_A":"c3tttzq","c_root_id_B":"c3tt4xk","created_at_utc_A":1329928238,"created_at_utc_B":1329924312,"score_A":45,"score_B":41,"human_ref_A":"OK, let me give you the basics of engineering.  While engineering is highly different across all disciplines, we have a few common characteristics that we share.  Engineering is not science.  Our research does not focus on breaking the boundaries of known knowledge.  Engineering focuses on safety, reliability, efficiency, and performance.  We find new ways to integrate new science into worldly applications.  We find new ways to make current technology better (in terms of safety, reliability, efficiency, and performance).  Once you realize that, then you get the gist of engineering.  What do electrical engineers do?  We cover a broad spectrum of topics related to electrical properties.  I'm a controls engineer.  I design, test, and implement circuits to make large machines controllable and predictable.  We design mathematical equations that predict how a 2-ton robot arm is going to swing at any given time, then design computers that will allow us to fine-tune that 2-ton arm.  Plus many other things.  What do I do everyday?  Reddit.","human_ref_B":"Reddit.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3926.0,"score_ratio":1.0975609756}
{"post_id":"q0z11","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"I've been thinking about going into Engineering when it hit me, I don't actually know what it is you do all day. So, what do you do all day? What does someone in whatever your discipline spend their average day doing, and do you enjoy it?","c_root_id_A":"c3tttzq","c_root_id_B":"c3ttjyk","created_at_utc_A":1329928238,"created_at_utc_B":1329926704,"score_A":45,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"OK, let me give you the basics of engineering.  While engineering is highly different across all disciplines, we have a few common characteristics that we share.  Engineering is not science.  Our research does not focus on breaking the boundaries of known knowledge.  Engineering focuses on safety, reliability, efficiency, and performance.  We find new ways to integrate new science into worldly applications.  We find new ways to make current technology better (in terms of safety, reliability, efficiency, and performance).  Once you realize that, then you get the gist of engineering.  What do electrical engineers do?  We cover a broad spectrum of topics related to electrical properties.  I'm a controls engineer.  I design, test, and implement circuits to make large machines controllable and predictable.  We design mathematical equations that predict how a 2-ton robot arm is going to swing at any given time, then design computers that will allow us to fine-tune that 2-ton arm.  Plus many other things.  What do I do everyday?  Reddit.","human_ref_B":"Paperwork and Reddit take up most of my day lately.  It's cyclical.  As a design engineer, the start of a new project is the fun part, it's when I actually get to design stuff using Pro\/e.  I'm at the point now where I just sent off the prototypes to the customer, which I also built myself and now have all the paperwork to do.  Qual specs, tooling drawings, APQP, PPAP, ECNs, other random acronyms my company is currently buying into, etc.  So, so much paperwork.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1534.0,"score_ratio":7.5}
{"post_id":"q0z11","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"I've been thinking about going into Engineering when it hit me, I don't actually know what it is you do all day. So, what do you do all day? What does someone in whatever your discipline spend their average day doing, and do you enjoy it?","c_root_id_A":"c3tttzq","c_root_id_B":"c3tt5t6","created_at_utc_A":1329928238,"created_at_utc_B":1329924455,"score_A":45,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"OK, let me give you the basics of engineering.  While engineering is highly different across all disciplines, we have a few common characteristics that we share.  Engineering is not science.  Our research does not focus on breaking the boundaries of known knowledge.  Engineering focuses on safety, reliability, efficiency, and performance.  We find new ways to integrate new science into worldly applications.  We find new ways to make current technology better (in terms of safety, reliability, efficiency, and performance).  Once you realize that, then you get the gist of engineering.  What do electrical engineers do?  We cover a broad spectrum of topics related to electrical properties.  I'm a controls engineer.  I design, test, and implement circuits to make large machines controllable and predictable.  We design mathematical equations that predict how a 2-ton robot arm is going to swing at any given time, then design computers that will allow us to fine-tune that 2-ton arm.  Plus many other things.  What do I do everyday?  Reddit.","human_ref_B":"Read, sketch, experiment, document","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3783.0,"score_ratio":9.0}
{"post_id":"q0z11","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"I've been thinking about going into Engineering when it hit me, I don't actually know what it is you do all day. So, what do you do all day? What does someone in whatever your discipline spend their average day doing, and do you enjoy it?","c_root_id_A":"c3tttzq","c_root_id_B":"c3tttfn","created_at_utc_A":1329928238,"created_at_utc_B":1329928157,"score_A":45,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"OK, let me give you the basics of engineering.  While engineering is highly different across all disciplines, we have a few common characteristics that we share.  Engineering is not science.  Our research does not focus on breaking the boundaries of known knowledge.  Engineering focuses on safety, reliability, efficiency, and performance.  We find new ways to integrate new science into worldly applications.  We find new ways to make current technology better (in terms of safety, reliability, efficiency, and performance).  Once you realize that, then you get the gist of engineering.  What do electrical engineers do?  We cover a broad spectrum of topics related to electrical properties.  I'm a controls engineer.  I design, test, and implement circuits to make large machines controllable and predictable.  We design mathematical equations that predict how a 2-ton robot arm is going to swing at any given time, then design computers that will allow us to fine-tune that 2-ton arm.  Plus many other things.  What do I do everyday?  Reddit.","human_ref_B":"Any engineering field in particular?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":81.0,"score_ratio":15.0}
{"post_id":"q0z11","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"I've been thinking about going into Engineering when it hit me, I don't actually know what it is you do all day. So, what do you do all day? What does someone in whatever your discipline spend their average day doing, and do you enjoy it?","c_root_id_A":"c3tx5q6","c_root_id_B":"c3tw4ve","created_at_utc_A":1329944560,"created_at_utc_B":1329939672,"score_A":17,"score_B":16,"human_ref_A":"Uh... So, what is it exactly you do here?","human_ref_B":"obligatory","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4888.0,"score_ratio":1.0625}
{"post_id":"q0z11","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"I've been thinking about going into Engineering when it hit me, I don't actually know what it is you do all day. So, what do you do all day? What does someone in whatever your discipline spend their average day doing, and do you enjoy it?","c_root_id_A":"c3tudcd","c_root_id_B":"c3tw4ve","created_at_utc_A":1329931091,"created_at_utc_B":1329939672,"score_A":15,"score_B":16,"human_ref_A":"Today Im spending all day calculating the change in load, voltage drop, and over\/under voltage analysis for one of our safety related transformers. It's part of a package I'm putting together to put in a digital control rod temperature monitoring system. I had to design the replacement system, the drawings, installation instructions and configuration, run it through regulatory screening, get it seismically qualified, get reviews from other disciplines\/organizations, operations approval, and put all the paperwork together to do that. It's about a 150 page package. (I work at a nuclear power plant)  I also get pulled into troubleshooting teams semi frequently, do walk downs and scoping for new changes, do analysis or evaluations for degraded equipment to determine if there is any licensing or operability impact.   Everything has a 80-100 page package with it at least.  So I kill a lot of trees.   Tldr I kill trees.","human_ref_B":"obligatory","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8581.0,"score_ratio":1.0666666667}
{"post_id":"q0z11","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"I've been thinking about going into Engineering when it hit me, I don't actually know what it is you do all day. So, what do you do all day? What does someone in whatever your discipline spend their average day doing, and do you enjoy it?","c_root_id_A":"c3ttjyk","c_root_id_B":"c3tw4ve","created_at_utc_A":1329926704,"created_at_utc_B":1329939672,"score_A":6,"score_B":16,"human_ref_A":"Paperwork and Reddit take up most of my day lately.  It's cyclical.  As a design engineer, the start of a new project is the fun part, it's when I actually get to design stuff using Pro\/e.  I'm at the point now where I just sent off the prototypes to the customer, which I also built myself and now have all the paperwork to do.  Qual specs, tooling drawings, APQP, PPAP, ECNs, other random acronyms my company is currently buying into, etc.  So, so much paperwork.","human_ref_B":"obligatory","labels":0,"seconds_difference":12968.0,"score_ratio":2.6666666667}
{"post_id":"q0z11","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"I've been thinking about going into Engineering when it hit me, I don't actually know what it is you do all day. So, what do you do all day? What does someone in whatever your discipline spend their average day doing, and do you enjoy it?","c_root_id_A":"c3tt5t6","c_root_id_B":"c3tw4ve","created_at_utc_A":1329924455,"created_at_utc_B":1329939672,"score_A":5,"score_B":16,"human_ref_A":"Read, sketch, experiment, document","human_ref_B":"obligatory","labels":0,"seconds_difference":15217.0,"score_ratio":3.2}
{"post_id":"q0z11","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"I've been thinking about going into Engineering when it hit me, I don't actually know what it is you do all day. So, what do you do all day? What does someone in whatever your discipline spend their average day doing, and do you enjoy it?","c_root_id_A":"c3tttfn","c_root_id_B":"c3tw4ve","created_at_utc_A":1329928157,"created_at_utc_B":1329939672,"score_A":3,"score_B":16,"human_ref_A":"Any engineering field in particular?","human_ref_B":"obligatory","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11515.0,"score_ratio":5.3333333333}
{"post_id":"q0z11","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"I've been thinking about going into Engineering when it hit me, I don't actually know what it is you do all day. So, what do you do all day? What does someone in whatever your discipline spend their average day doing, and do you enjoy it?","c_root_id_A":"c3tx5q6","c_root_id_B":"c3tudcd","created_at_utc_A":1329944560,"created_at_utc_B":1329931091,"score_A":17,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"Uh... So, what is it exactly you do here?","human_ref_B":"Today Im spending all day calculating the change in load, voltage drop, and over\/under voltage analysis for one of our safety related transformers. It's part of a package I'm putting together to put in a digital control rod temperature monitoring system. I had to design the replacement system, the drawings, installation instructions and configuration, run it through regulatory screening, get it seismically qualified, get reviews from other disciplines\/organizations, operations approval, and put all the paperwork together to do that. It's about a 150 page package. (I work at a nuclear power plant)  I also get pulled into troubleshooting teams semi frequently, do walk downs and scoping for new changes, do analysis or evaluations for degraded equipment to determine if there is any licensing or operability impact.   Everything has a 80-100 page package with it at least.  So I kill a lot of trees.   Tldr I kill trees.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":13469.0,"score_ratio":1.1333333333}
{"post_id":"q0z11","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"I've been thinking about going into Engineering when it hit me, I don't actually know what it is you do all day. So, what do you do all day? What does someone in whatever your discipline spend their average day doing, and do you enjoy it?","c_root_id_A":"c3tw6t2","c_root_id_B":"c3tx5q6","created_at_utc_A":1329939922,"created_at_utc_B":1329944560,"score_A":10,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"Personally, I drink coffee and curse a lot. That's pretty much it.","human_ref_B":"Uh... So, what is it exactly you do here?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4638.0,"score_ratio":1.7}
{"post_id":"q0z11","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"I've been thinking about going into Engineering when it hit me, I don't actually know what it is you do all day. So, what do you do all day? What does someone in whatever your discipline spend their average day doing, and do you enjoy it?","c_root_id_A":"c3ttjyk","c_root_id_B":"c3tx5q6","created_at_utc_A":1329926704,"created_at_utc_B":1329944560,"score_A":6,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"Paperwork and Reddit take up most of my day lately.  It's cyclical.  As a design engineer, the start of a new project is the fun part, it's when I actually get to design stuff using Pro\/e.  I'm at the point now where I just sent off the prototypes to the customer, which I also built myself and now have all the paperwork to do.  Qual specs, tooling drawings, APQP, PPAP, ECNs, other random acronyms my company is currently buying into, etc.  So, so much paperwork.","human_ref_B":"Uh... So, what is it exactly you do here?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":17856.0,"score_ratio":2.8333333333}
{"post_id":"q0z11","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"I've been thinking about going into Engineering when it hit me, I don't actually know what it is you do all day. So, what do you do all day? What does someone in whatever your discipline spend their average day doing, and do you enjoy it?","c_root_id_A":"c3twfbz","c_root_id_B":"c3tx5q6","created_at_utc_A":1329941056,"created_at_utc_B":1329944560,"score_A":6,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"Computer Engineer here. I work for a chip design company doing verification. I take VHDL code from designers and write a testbench in a verification language that uses a simulator to simulate the VHDL as if it were actual hardware. We test all sorts of conditions of the VHDL code and ensure that it works as specified before being sent off to be manufactured into actual silicon.","human_ref_B":"Uh... So, what is it exactly you do here?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3504.0,"score_ratio":2.8333333333}
{"post_id":"q0z11","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"I've been thinking about going into Engineering when it hit me, I don't actually know what it is you do all day. So, what do you do all day? What does someone in whatever your discipline spend their average day doing, and do you enjoy it?","c_root_id_A":"c3tx5q6","c_root_id_B":"c3tt5t6","created_at_utc_A":1329944560,"created_at_utc_B":1329924455,"score_A":17,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Uh... So, what is it exactly you do here?","human_ref_B":"Read, sketch, experiment, document","labels":1,"seconds_difference":20105.0,"score_ratio":3.4}
{"post_id":"q0z11","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"I've been thinking about going into Engineering when it hit me, I don't actually know what it is you do all day. So, what do you do all day? What does someone in whatever your discipline spend their average day doing, and do you enjoy it?","c_root_id_A":"c3tx5q6","c_root_id_B":"c3twch7","created_at_utc_A":1329944560,"created_at_utc_B":1329940671,"score_A":17,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Uh... So, what is it exactly you do here?","human_ref_B":"I run a lot of experiments in different manufacturing locations -- my job is to scale up new products from the lab to production, and also to make changes to existing products as raw materials\/specifications\/customer requirements change.  Some projects I lead, some projects I'm a team member.  My workload is very cyclical.  Tons of planning, getting the ducks in a row before we run an experiment.  Then travel to the site and coverage of the experiment, (I'm currently doing a 70 hr experiment on a 24 hr\/day machine....this time I drew the short straw so I'm on 12 hr night shifts...just woke up).  After the experiment ends, often I have a lighter workload as I wait on our quality and technician folks to churn out data so I can work on the next trial.  So, some days working my ass off to find materials, plan a run, travel out to the plant, run the run.  Some days putz around.  Edit: Oh, and do I enjoy it?  Fuck yes.  I get to play with big machines that are 3 stories high, the 50 yards long, and run at high speeds with great precision.  I have the freedom to design experiments as I see fit.  A single experiment can cost a quarter of a million dollars (high end, low end is 10-20k), and the resulting products can make hundreds of millions.  It's a blast.  Oh, and I'm 28, been doing this since I graduated at 23.  BChEn and BS Chem.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3889.0,"score_ratio":4.25}
{"post_id":"q0z11","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"I've been thinking about going into Engineering when it hit me, I don't actually know what it is you do all day. So, what do you do all day? What does someone in whatever your discipline spend their average day doing, and do you enjoy it?","c_root_id_A":"c3tws0y","c_root_id_B":"c3tx5q6","created_at_utc_A":1329942755,"created_at_utc_B":1329944560,"score_A":4,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"Paperwork, email, meetings, telcons, maybe an hour or two of solid engineering a day.","human_ref_B":"Uh... So, what is it exactly you do here?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1805.0,"score_ratio":4.25}
{"post_id":"q0z11","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"I've been thinking about going into Engineering when it hit me, I don't actually know what it is you do all day. So, what do you do all day? What does someone in whatever your discipline spend their average day doing, and do you enjoy it?","c_root_id_A":"c3tttfn","c_root_id_B":"c3tx5q6","created_at_utc_A":1329928157,"created_at_utc_B":1329944560,"score_A":3,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"Any engineering field in particular?","human_ref_B":"Uh... So, what is it exactly you do here?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":16403.0,"score_ratio":5.6666666667}
{"post_id":"q0z11","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"I've been thinking about going into Engineering when it hit me, I don't actually know what it is you do all day. So, what do you do all day? What does someone in whatever your discipline spend their average day doing, and do you enjoy it?","c_root_id_A":"c3tudcd","c_root_id_B":"c3ttjyk","created_at_utc_A":1329931091,"created_at_utc_B":1329926704,"score_A":15,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Today Im spending all day calculating the change in load, voltage drop, and over\/under voltage analysis for one of our safety related transformers. It's part of a package I'm putting together to put in a digital control rod temperature monitoring system. I had to design the replacement system, the drawings, installation instructions and configuration, run it through regulatory screening, get it seismically qualified, get reviews from other disciplines\/organizations, operations approval, and put all the paperwork together to do that. It's about a 150 page package. (I work at a nuclear power plant)  I also get pulled into troubleshooting teams semi frequently, do walk downs and scoping for new changes, do analysis or evaluations for degraded equipment to determine if there is any licensing or operability impact.   Everything has a 80-100 page package with it at least.  So I kill a lot of trees.   Tldr I kill trees.","human_ref_B":"Paperwork and Reddit take up most of my day lately.  It's cyclical.  As a design engineer, the start of a new project is the fun part, it's when I actually get to design stuff using Pro\/e.  I'm at the point now where I just sent off the prototypes to the customer, which I also built myself and now have all the paperwork to do.  Qual specs, tooling drawings, APQP, PPAP, ECNs, other random acronyms my company is currently buying into, etc.  So, so much paperwork.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4387.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"q0z11","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"I've been thinking about going into Engineering when it hit me, I don't actually know what it is you do all day. So, what do you do all day? What does someone in whatever your discipline spend their average day doing, and do you enjoy it?","c_root_id_A":"c3tt5t6","c_root_id_B":"c3tudcd","created_at_utc_A":1329924455,"created_at_utc_B":1329931091,"score_A":5,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"Read, sketch, experiment, document","human_ref_B":"Today Im spending all day calculating the change in load, voltage drop, and over\/under voltage analysis for one of our safety related transformers. It's part of a package I'm putting together to put in a digital control rod temperature monitoring system. I had to design the replacement system, the drawings, installation instructions and configuration, run it through regulatory screening, get it seismically qualified, get reviews from other disciplines\/organizations, operations approval, and put all the paperwork together to do that. It's about a 150 page package. (I work at a nuclear power plant)  I also get pulled into troubleshooting teams semi frequently, do walk downs and scoping for new changes, do analysis or evaluations for degraded equipment to determine if there is any licensing or operability impact.   Everything has a 80-100 page package with it at least.  So I kill a lot of trees.   Tldr I kill trees.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6636.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"q0z11","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"I've been thinking about going into Engineering when it hit me, I don't actually know what it is you do all day. So, what do you do all day? What does someone in whatever your discipline spend their average day doing, and do you enjoy it?","c_root_id_A":"c3tttfn","c_root_id_B":"c3tudcd","created_at_utc_A":1329928157,"created_at_utc_B":1329931091,"score_A":3,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"Any engineering field in particular?","human_ref_B":"Today Im spending all day calculating the change in load, voltage drop, and over\/under voltage analysis for one of our safety related transformers. It's part of a package I'm putting together to put in a digital control rod temperature monitoring system. I had to design the replacement system, the drawings, installation instructions and configuration, run it through regulatory screening, get it seismically qualified, get reviews from other disciplines\/organizations, operations approval, and put all the paperwork together to do that. It's about a 150 page package. (I work at a nuclear power plant)  I also get pulled into troubleshooting teams semi frequently, do walk downs and scoping for new changes, do analysis or evaluations for degraded equipment to determine if there is any licensing or operability impact.   Everything has a 80-100 page package with it at least.  So I kill a lot of trees.   Tldr I kill trees.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2934.0,"score_ratio":5.0}
{"post_id":"q0z11","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"I've been thinking about going into Engineering when it hit me, I don't actually know what it is you do all day. So, what do you do all day? What does someone in whatever your discipline spend their average day doing, and do you enjoy it?","c_root_id_A":"c3ttjyk","c_root_id_B":"c3tw6t2","created_at_utc_A":1329926704,"created_at_utc_B":1329939922,"score_A":6,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"Paperwork and Reddit take up most of my day lately.  It's cyclical.  As a design engineer, the start of a new project is the fun part, it's when I actually get to design stuff using Pro\/e.  I'm at the point now where I just sent off the prototypes to the customer, which I also built myself and now have all the paperwork to do.  Qual specs, tooling drawings, APQP, PPAP, ECNs, other random acronyms my company is currently buying into, etc.  So, so much paperwork.","human_ref_B":"Personally, I drink coffee and curse a lot. That's pretty much it.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":13218.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
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{"post_id":"q0z11","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"I've been thinking about going into Engineering when it hit me, I don't actually know what it is you do all day. So, what do you do all day? What does someone in whatever your discipline spend their average day doing, and do you enjoy it?","c_root_id_A":"c3tw6t2","c_root_id_B":"c3tttfn","created_at_utc_A":1329939922,"created_at_utc_B":1329928157,"score_A":10,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Personally, I drink coffee and curse a lot. That's pretty much it.","human_ref_B":"Any engineering field in particular?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":11765.0,"score_ratio":3.3333333333}
{"post_id":"q0z11","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"I've been thinking about going into Engineering when it hit me, I don't actually know what it is you do all day. So, what do you do all day? What does someone in whatever your discipline spend their average day doing, and do you enjoy it?","c_root_id_A":"c3ttjyk","c_root_id_B":"c3tt5t6","created_at_utc_A":1329926704,"created_at_utc_B":1329924455,"score_A":6,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Paperwork and Reddit take up most of my day lately.  It's cyclical.  As a design engineer, the start of a new project is the fun part, it's when I actually get to design stuff using Pro\/e.  I'm at the point now where I just sent off the prototypes to the customer, which I also built myself and now have all the paperwork to do.  Qual specs, tooling drawings, APQP, PPAP, ECNs, other random acronyms my company is currently buying into, etc.  So, so much paperwork.","human_ref_B":"Read, sketch, experiment, document","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2249.0,"score_ratio":1.2}
{"post_id":"q0z11","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"I've been thinking about going into Engineering when it hit me, I don't actually know what it is you do all day. So, what do you do all day? What does someone in whatever your discipline spend their average day doing, and do you enjoy it?","c_root_id_A":"c3twfbz","c_root_id_B":"c3tt5t6","created_at_utc_A":1329941056,"created_at_utc_B":1329924455,"score_A":6,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Computer Engineer here. I work for a chip design company doing verification. I take VHDL code from designers and write a testbench in a verification language that uses a simulator to simulate the VHDL as if it were actual hardware. We test all sorts of conditions of the VHDL code and ensure that it works as specified before being sent off to be manufactured into actual silicon.","human_ref_B":"Read, sketch, experiment, document","labels":1,"seconds_difference":16601.0,"score_ratio":1.2}
{"post_id":"q0z11","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"I've been thinking about going into Engineering when it hit me, I don't actually know what it is you do all day. So, what do you do all day? What does someone in whatever your discipline spend their average day doing, and do you enjoy it?","c_root_id_A":"c3twfbz","c_root_id_B":"c3twch7","created_at_utc_A":1329941056,"created_at_utc_B":1329940671,"score_A":6,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Computer Engineer here. I work for a chip design company doing verification. I take VHDL code from designers and write a testbench in a verification language that uses a simulator to simulate the VHDL as if it were actual hardware. We test all sorts of conditions of the VHDL code and ensure that it works as specified before being sent off to be manufactured into actual silicon.","human_ref_B":"I run a lot of experiments in different manufacturing locations -- my job is to scale up new products from the lab to production, and also to make changes to existing products as raw materials\/specifications\/customer requirements change.  Some projects I lead, some projects I'm a team member.  My workload is very cyclical.  Tons of planning, getting the ducks in a row before we run an experiment.  Then travel to the site and coverage of the experiment, (I'm currently doing a 70 hr experiment on a 24 hr\/day machine....this time I drew the short straw so I'm on 12 hr night shifts...just woke up).  After the experiment ends, often I have a lighter workload as I wait on our quality and technician folks to churn out data so I can work on the next trial.  So, some days working my ass off to find materials, plan a run, travel out to the plant, run the run.  Some days putz around.  Edit: Oh, and do I enjoy it?  Fuck yes.  I get to play with big machines that are 3 stories high, the 50 yards long, and run at high speeds with great precision.  I have the freedom to design experiments as I see fit.  A single experiment can cost a quarter of a million dollars (high end, low end is 10-20k), and the resulting products can make hundreds of millions.  It's a blast.  Oh, and I'm 28, been doing this since I graduated at 23.  BChEn and BS Chem.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":385.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"q0z11","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"I've been thinking about going into Engineering when it hit me, I don't actually know what it is you do all day. So, what do you do all day? What does someone in whatever your discipline spend their average day doing, and do you enjoy it?","c_root_id_A":"c3twfbz","c_root_id_B":"c3tttfn","created_at_utc_A":1329941056,"created_at_utc_B":1329928157,"score_A":6,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Computer Engineer here. I work for a chip design company doing verification. I take VHDL code from designers and write a testbench in a verification language that uses a simulator to simulate the VHDL as if it were actual hardware. We test all sorts of conditions of the VHDL code and ensure that it works as specified before being sent off to be manufactured into actual silicon.","human_ref_B":"Any engineering field in particular?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":12899.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"q0z11","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"I've been thinking about going into Engineering when it hit me, I don't actually know what it is you do all day. So, what do you do all day? What does someone in whatever your discipline spend their average day doing, and do you enjoy it?","c_root_id_A":"c3tttfn","c_root_id_B":"c3twch7","created_at_utc_A":1329928157,"created_at_utc_B":1329940671,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Any engineering field in particular?","human_ref_B":"I run a lot of experiments in different manufacturing locations -- my job is to scale up new products from the lab to production, and also to make changes to existing products as raw materials\/specifications\/customer requirements change.  Some projects I lead, some projects I'm a team member.  My workload is very cyclical.  Tons of planning, getting the ducks in a row before we run an experiment.  Then travel to the site and coverage of the experiment, (I'm currently doing a 70 hr experiment on a 24 hr\/day machine....this time I drew the short straw so I'm on 12 hr night shifts...just woke up).  After the experiment ends, often I have a lighter workload as I wait on our quality and technician folks to churn out data so I can work on the next trial.  So, some days working my ass off to find materials, plan a run, travel out to the plant, run the run.  Some days putz around.  Edit: Oh, and do I enjoy it?  Fuck yes.  I get to play with big machines that are 3 stories high, the 50 yards long, and run at high speeds with great precision.  I have the freedom to design experiments as I see fit.  A single experiment can cost a quarter of a million dollars (high end, low end is 10-20k), and the resulting products can make hundreds of millions.  It's a blast.  Oh, and I'm 28, been doing this since I graduated at 23.  BChEn and BS Chem.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":12514.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"q0z11","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"I've been thinking about going into Engineering when it hit me, I don't actually know what it is you do all day. So, what do you do all day? What does someone in whatever your discipline spend their average day doing, and do you enjoy it?","c_root_id_A":"c3tws0y","c_root_id_B":"c3tttfn","created_at_utc_A":1329942755,"created_at_utc_B":1329928157,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Paperwork, email, meetings, telcons, maybe an hour or two of solid engineering a day.","human_ref_B":"Any engineering field in particular?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":14598.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"sasfp5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"How much python should I learn as a Mechanical Engineer student? I just finished Python Crash Course by Eric Matthes and I am wondering on which path I should go for. Should I go for an in-depth learning of python such as data science or machine learning or possibly learn things such as Excel VBA.  I am still unsure on which career I should take as I am very limited because I live in a third world country. I am very fascinated inaerospace and robots in general but that won\u2019t be an option unless I move to a better country.  Thanks for your insights","c_root_id_A":"htvg4lu","c_root_id_B":"htvfax4","created_at_utc_A":1642941159,"created_at_utc_B":1642940584,"score_A":394,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"I've used VBA and Excel to write scripts at work and python as a hobby to code cryptocurrency trading bots.   So far I've managed to turn $50 into 25!","human_ref_B":"I\u2019m not sure but I\u2019m commenting so I can come back and find out","labels":1,"seconds_difference":575.0,"score_ratio":35.8181818182}
{"post_id":"sasfp5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"How much python should I learn as a Mechanical Engineer student? I just finished Python Crash Course by Eric Matthes and I am wondering on which path I should go for. Should I go for an in-depth learning of python such as data science or machine learning or possibly learn things such as Excel VBA.  I am still unsure on which career I should take as I am very limited because I live in a third world country. I am very fascinated inaerospace and robots in general but that won\u2019t be an option unless I move to a better country.  Thanks for your insights","c_root_id_A":"htvfxx4","c_root_id_B":"htvg4lu","created_at_utc_A":1642941031,"created_at_utc_B":1642941159,"score_A":3,"score_B":394,"human_ref_A":"There are some MechEngs who use Python every day. On the other hand, even though programming is part of my daily job activities, I've never used Python.   I'd just focus on whatever language(s) are used in your engineering classes.","human_ref_B":"I've used VBA and Excel to write scripts at work and python as a hobby to code cryptocurrency trading bots.   So far I've managed to turn $50 into 25!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":128.0,"score_ratio":131.3333333333}
{"post_id":"sasfp5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"How much python should I learn as a Mechanical Engineer student? I just finished Python Crash Course by Eric Matthes and I am wondering on which path I should go for. Should I go for an in-depth learning of python such as data science or machine learning or possibly learn things such as Excel VBA.  I am still unsure on which career I should take as I am very limited because I live in a third world country. I am very fascinated inaerospace and robots in general but that won\u2019t be an option unless I move to a better country.  Thanks for your insights","c_root_id_A":"htvfax4","c_root_id_B":"htvl1oi","created_at_utc_A":1642940584,"created_at_utc_B":1642944313,"score_A":11,"score_B":86,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019m not sure but I\u2019m commenting so I can come back and find out","human_ref_B":"Knowledge of Excel is important in many cooperate roles.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3729.0,"score_ratio":7.8181818182}
{"post_id":"sasfp5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"How much python should I learn as a Mechanical Engineer student? I just finished Python Crash Course by Eric Matthes and I am wondering on which path I should go for. Should I go for an in-depth learning of python such as data science or machine learning or possibly learn things such as Excel VBA.  I am still unsure on which career I should take as I am very limited because I live in a third world country. I am very fascinated inaerospace and robots in general but that won\u2019t be an option unless I move to a better country.  Thanks for your insights","c_root_id_A":"htvfxx4","c_root_id_B":"htvl1oi","created_at_utc_A":1642941031,"created_at_utc_B":1642944313,"score_A":3,"score_B":86,"human_ref_A":"There are some MechEngs who use Python every day. On the other hand, even though programming is part of my daily job activities, I've never used Python.   I'd just focus on whatever language(s) are used in your engineering classes.","human_ref_B":"Knowledge of Excel is important in many cooperate roles.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3282.0,"score_ratio":28.6666666667}
{"post_id":"sasfp5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"How much python should I learn as a Mechanical Engineer student? I just finished Python Crash Course by Eric Matthes and I am wondering on which path I should go for. Should I go for an in-depth learning of python such as data science or machine learning or possibly learn things such as Excel VBA.  I am still unsure on which career I should take as I am very limited because I live in a third world country. I am very fascinated inaerospace and robots in general but that won\u2019t be an option unless I move to a better country.  Thanks for your insights","c_root_id_A":"htvfax4","c_root_id_B":"htvt7mm","created_at_utc_A":1642940584,"created_at_utc_B":1642948630,"score_A":11,"score_B":56,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019m not sure but I\u2019m commenting so I can come back and find out","human_ref_B":"VBA is what people use because it is readily available on the computers at the office. Python is much better and is becoming more and more available.  Python is much more useful in general and most companies are looking to do more data analytics, so that would be my recommendation.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8046.0,"score_ratio":5.0909090909}
{"post_id":"sasfp5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"How much python should I learn as a Mechanical Engineer student? I just finished Python Crash Course by Eric Matthes and I am wondering on which path I should go for. Should I go for an in-depth learning of python such as data science or machine learning or possibly learn things such as Excel VBA.  I am still unsure on which career I should take as I am very limited because I live in a third world country. I am very fascinated inaerospace and robots in general but that won\u2019t be an option unless I move to a better country.  Thanks for your insights","c_root_id_A":"htvr8v4","c_root_id_B":"htvt7mm","created_at_utc_A":1642947654,"created_at_utc_B":1642948630,"score_A":4,"score_B":56,"human_ref_A":"It depends on what you want to do, and what you might have the opportunity to do. General-use Python can be useful to almost any engineer. Serious data science and machine learning are specialities. I don't see a lot of opportunity to use them in a typical engineering job, but you never know. On the other hand, if you're interested in focusing on them, they can be interesting work and can pay really well, and might be easier to do remotely than a lot of other engineering.  Something like VBA would also be useful in many engineering roles. You could probably pick it up as needed if you are already comfortable in another language or two.  It really depends on what you want to do.","human_ref_B":"VBA is what people use because it is readily available on the computers at the office. Python is much better and is becoming more and more available.  Python is much more useful in general and most companies are looking to do more data analytics, so that would be my recommendation.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":976.0,"score_ratio":14.0}
{"post_id":"sasfp5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"How much python should I learn as a Mechanical Engineer student? I just finished Python Crash Course by Eric Matthes and I am wondering on which path I should go for. Should I go for an in-depth learning of python such as data science or machine learning or possibly learn things such as Excel VBA.  I am still unsure on which career I should take as I am very limited because I live in a third world country. I am very fascinated inaerospace and robots in general but that won\u2019t be an option unless I move to a better country.  Thanks for your insights","c_root_id_A":"htvfxx4","c_root_id_B":"htvt7mm","created_at_utc_A":1642941031,"created_at_utc_B":1642948630,"score_A":3,"score_B":56,"human_ref_A":"There are some MechEngs who use Python every day. On the other hand, even though programming is part of my daily job activities, I've never used Python.   I'd just focus on whatever language(s) are used in your engineering classes.","human_ref_B":"VBA is what people use because it is readily available on the computers at the office. Python is much better and is becoming more and more available.  Python is much more useful in general and most companies are looking to do more data analytics, so that would be my recommendation.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7599.0,"score_ratio":18.6666666667}
{"post_id":"sasfp5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"How much python should I learn as a Mechanical Engineer student? I just finished Python Crash Course by Eric Matthes and I am wondering on which path I should go for. Should I go for an in-depth learning of python such as data science or machine learning or possibly learn things such as Excel VBA.  I am still unsure on which career I should take as I am very limited because I live in a third world country. I am very fascinated inaerospace and robots in general but that won\u2019t be an option unless I move to a better country.  Thanks for your insights","c_root_id_A":"htwb3l1","c_root_id_B":"htvfax4","created_at_utc_A":1642956118,"created_at_utc_B":1642940584,"score_A":34,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"The Mech Engs I know who learned Python and use fall into two categories. Climbing the corporate ladder fast or building their own companies. If they are climbing the corporate ladder they tend to command a 20-40% salary premium.   I also know a few people with closeted Python skills that have largely automated their jobs without telling anyone. These people typically work less than 10 hours a week and are regularly commended on their work.  VBA is good and will impress your superiors. But, for the level of effort to learn vs overall functionality, I recommend Python.","human_ref_B":"I\u2019m not sure but I\u2019m commenting so I can come back and find out","labels":1,"seconds_difference":15534.0,"score_ratio":3.0909090909}
{"post_id":"sasfp5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"How much python should I learn as a Mechanical Engineer student? I just finished Python Crash Course by Eric Matthes and I am wondering on which path I should go for. Should I go for an in-depth learning of python such as data science or machine learning or possibly learn things such as Excel VBA.  I am still unsure on which career I should take as I am very limited because I live in a third world country. I am very fascinated inaerospace and robots in general but that won\u2019t be an option unless I move to a better country.  Thanks for your insights","c_root_id_A":"htvy4hm","c_root_id_B":"htwb3l1","created_at_utc_A":1642950867,"created_at_utc_B":1642956118,"score_A":9,"score_B":34,"human_ref_A":"The big difference is that Excel is already on your work computer. To run Python, you will likely have to get IT to install it on your computer, and depending on the size of your company and their IT policies, they may not be allowed to do that for you. Python will definitely be able to do more, but Excel VBA is so much more accessible in a corporate environment.","human_ref_B":"The Mech Engs I know who learned Python and use fall into two categories. Climbing the corporate ladder fast or building their own companies. If they are climbing the corporate ladder they tend to command a 20-40% salary premium.   I also know a few people with closeted Python skills that have largely automated their jobs without telling anyone. These people typically work less than 10 hours a week and are regularly commended on their work.  VBA is good and will impress your superiors. But, for the level of effort to learn vs overall functionality, I recommend Python.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5251.0,"score_ratio":3.7777777778}
{"post_id":"sasfp5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"How much python should I learn as a Mechanical Engineer student? I just finished Python Crash Course by Eric Matthes and I am wondering on which path I should go for. Should I go for an in-depth learning of python such as data science or machine learning or possibly learn things such as Excel VBA.  I am still unsure on which career I should take as I am very limited because I live in a third world country. I am very fascinated inaerospace and robots in general but that won\u2019t be an option unless I move to a better country.  Thanks for your insights","c_root_id_A":"htw8v8o","c_root_id_B":"htwb3l1","created_at_utc_A":1642955250,"created_at_utc_B":1642956118,"score_A":10,"score_B":34,"human_ref_A":"I use excel daily.  Both VBA and Python are situational, but when I've used them, they have made the tasks way way faster and easier even though I had to google a ton and be a total hack to make the scripts work.","human_ref_B":"The Mech Engs I know who learned Python and use fall into two categories. Climbing the corporate ladder fast or building their own companies. If they are climbing the corporate ladder they tend to command a 20-40% salary premium.   I also know a few people with closeted Python skills that have largely automated their jobs without telling anyone. These people typically work less than 10 hours a week and are regularly commended on their work.  VBA is good and will impress your superiors. But, for the level of effort to learn vs overall functionality, I recommend Python.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":868.0,"score_ratio":3.4}
{"post_id":"sasfp5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"How much python should I learn as a Mechanical Engineer student? I just finished Python Crash Course by Eric Matthes and I am wondering on which path I should go for. Should I go for an in-depth learning of python such as data science or machine learning or possibly learn things such as Excel VBA.  I am still unsure on which career I should take as I am very limited because I live in a third world country. I am very fascinated inaerospace and robots in general but that won\u2019t be an option unless I move to a better country.  Thanks for your insights","c_root_id_A":"htvr8v4","c_root_id_B":"htwb3l1","created_at_utc_A":1642947654,"created_at_utc_B":1642956118,"score_A":4,"score_B":34,"human_ref_A":"It depends on what you want to do, and what you might have the opportunity to do. General-use Python can be useful to almost any engineer. Serious data science and machine learning are specialities. I don't see a lot of opportunity to use them in a typical engineering job, but you never know. On the other hand, if you're interested in focusing on them, they can be interesting work and can pay really well, and might be easier to do remotely than a lot of other engineering.  Something like VBA would also be useful in many engineering roles. You could probably pick it up as needed if you are already comfortable in another language or two.  It really depends on what you want to do.","human_ref_B":"The Mech Engs I know who learned Python and use fall into two categories. Climbing the corporate ladder fast or building their own companies. If they are climbing the corporate ladder they tend to command a 20-40% salary premium.   I also know a few people with closeted Python skills that have largely automated their jobs without telling anyone. These people typically work less than 10 hours a week and are regularly commended on their work.  VBA is good and will impress your superiors. But, for the level of effort to learn vs overall functionality, I recommend Python.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8464.0,"score_ratio":8.5}
{"post_id":"sasfp5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"How much python should I learn as a Mechanical Engineer student? I just finished Python Crash Course by Eric Matthes and I am wondering on which path I should go for. Should I go for an in-depth learning of python such as data science or machine learning or possibly learn things such as Excel VBA.  I am still unsure on which career I should take as I am very limited because I live in a third world country. I am very fascinated inaerospace and robots in general but that won\u2019t be an option unless I move to a better country.  Thanks for your insights","c_root_id_A":"htvfxx4","c_root_id_B":"htwb3l1","created_at_utc_A":1642941031,"created_at_utc_B":1642956118,"score_A":3,"score_B":34,"human_ref_A":"There are some MechEngs who use Python every day. On the other hand, even though programming is part of my daily job activities, I've never used Python.   I'd just focus on whatever language(s) are used in your engineering classes.","human_ref_B":"The Mech Engs I know who learned Python and use fall into two categories. Climbing the corporate ladder fast or building their own companies. If they are climbing the corporate ladder they tend to command a 20-40% salary premium.   I also know a few people with closeted Python skills that have largely automated their jobs without telling anyone. These people typically work less than 10 hours a week and are regularly commended on their work.  VBA is good and will impress your superiors. But, for the level of effort to learn vs overall functionality, I recommend Python.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":15087.0,"score_ratio":11.3333333333}
{"post_id":"sasfp5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"How much python should I learn as a Mechanical Engineer student? I just finished Python Crash Course by Eric Matthes and I am wondering on which path I should go for. Should I go for an in-depth learning of python such as data science or machine learning or possibly learn things such as Excel VBA.  I am still unsure on which career I should take as I am very limited because I live in a third world country. I am very fascinated inaerospace and robots in general but that won\u2019t be an option unless I move to a better country.  Thanks for your insights","c_root_id_A":"htwb3l1","c_root_id_B":"htvymkf","created_at_utc_A":1642956118,"created_at_utc_B":1642951085,"score_A":34,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"The Mech Engs I know who learned Python and use fall into two categories. Climbing the corporate ladder fast or building their own companies. If they are climbing the corporate ladder they tend to command a 20-40% salary premium.   I also know a few people with closeted Python skills that have largely automated their jobs without telling anyone. These people typically work less than 10 hours a week and are regularly commended on their work.  VBA is good and will impress your superiors. But, for the level of effort to learn vs overall functionality, I recommend Python.","human_ref_B":"I'm and ME designing heavy machinery and never programed ever. I will use a more focused tool like MathCAD for calculations. We have software engineers for the machine code. I do the machine state diagram.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5033.0,"score_ratio":11.3333333333}
{"post_id":"sasfp5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"How much python should I learn as a Mechanical Engineer student? I just finished Python Crash Course by Eric Matthes and I am wondering on which path I should go for. Should I go for an in-depth learning of python such as data science or machine learning or possibly learn things such as Excel VBA.  I am still unsure on which career I should take as I am very limited because I live in a third world country. I am very fascinated inaerospace and robots in general but that won\u2019t be an option unless I move to a better country.  Thanks for your insights","c_root_id_A":"htw8v8o","c_root_id_B":"htvy4hm","created_at_utc_A":1642955250,"created_at_utc_B":1642950867,"score_A":10,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"I use excel daily.  Both VBA and Python are situational, but when I've used them, they have made the tasks way way faster and easier even though I had to google a ton and be a total hack to make the scripts work.","human_ref_B":"The big difference is that Excel is already on your work computer. To run Python, you will likely have to get IT to install it on your computer, and depending on the size of your company and their IT policies, they may not be allowed to do that for you. Python will definitely be able to do more, but Excel VBA is so much more accessible in a corporate environment.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4383.0,"score_ratio":1.1111111111}
{"post_id":"sasfp5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"How much python should I learn as a Mechanical Engineer student? I just finished Python Crash Course by Eric Matthes and I am wondering on which path I should go for. Should I go for an in-depth learning of python such as data science or machine learning or possibly learn things such as Excel VBA.  I am still unsure on which career I should take as I am very limited because I live in a third world country. I am very fascinated inaerospace and robots in general but that won\u2019t be an option unless I move to a better country.  Thanks for your insights","c_root_id_A":"htvr8v4","c_root_id_B":"htvy4hm","created_at_utc_A":1642947654,"created_at_utc_B":1642950867,"score_A":4,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"It depends on what you want to do, and what you might have the opportunity to do. General-use Python can be useful to almost any engineer. Serious data science and machine learning are specialities. I don't see a lot of opportunity to use them in a typical engineering job, but you never know. On the other hand, if you're interested in focusing on them, they can be interesting work and can pay really well, and might be easier to do remotely than a lot of other engineering.  Something like VBA would also be useful in many engineering roles. You could probably pick it up as needed if you are already comfortable in another language or two.  It really depends on what you want to do.","human_ref_B":"The big difference is that Excel is already on your work computer. To run Python, you will likely have to get IT to install it on your computer, and depending on the size of your company and their IT policies, they may not be allowed to do that for you. Python will definitely be able to do more, but Excel VBA is so much more accessible in a corporate environment.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3213.0,"score_ratio":2.25}
{"post_id":"sasfp5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"How much python should I learn as a Mechanical Engineer student? I just finished Python Crash Course by Eric Matthes and I am wondering on which path I should go for. Should I go for an in-depth learning of python such as data science or machine learning or possibly learn things such as Excel VBA.  I am still unsure on which career I should take as I am very limited because I live in a third world country. I am very fascinated inaerospace and robots in general but that won\u2019t be an option unless I move to a better country.  Thanks for your insights","c_root_id_A":"htvy4hm","c_root_id_B":"htvfxx4","created_at_utc_A":1642950867,"created_at_utc_B":1642941031,"score_A":9,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"The big difference is that Excel is already on your work computer. To run Python, you will likely have to get IT to install it on your computer, and depending on the size of your company and their IT policies, they may not be allowed to do that for you. Python will definitely be able to do more, but Excel VBA is so much more accessible in a corporate environment.","human_ref_B":"There are some MechEngs who use Python every day. On the other hand, even though programming is part of my daily job activities, I've never used Python.   I'd just focus on whatever language(s) are used in your engineering classes.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9836.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"sasfp5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"How much python should I learn as a Mechanical Engineer student? I just finished Python Crash Course by Eric Matthes and I am wondering on which path I should go for. Should I go for an in-depth learning of python such as data science or machine learning or possibly learn things such as Excel VBA.  I am still unsure on which career I should take as I am very limited because I live in a third world country. I am very fascinated inaerospace and robots in general but that won\u2019t be an option unless I move to a better country.  Thanks for your insights","c_root_id_A":"htw8v8o","c_root_id_B":"htvr8v4","created_at_utc_A":1642955250,"created_at_utc_B":1642947654,"score_A":10,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I use excel daily.  Both VBA and Python are situational, but when I've used them, they have made the tasks way way faster and easier even though I had to google a ton and be a total hack to make the scripts work.","human_ref_B":"It depends on what you want to do, and what you might have the opportunity to do. General-use Python can be useful to almost any engineer. Serious data science and machine learning are specialities. I don't see a lot of opportunity to use them in a typical engineering job, but you never know. On the other hand, if you're interested in focusing on them, they can be interesting work and can pay really well, and might be easier to do remotely than a lot of other engineering.  Something like VBA would also be useful in many engineering roles. You could probably pick it up as needed if you are already comfortable in another language or two.  It really depends on what you want to do.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7596.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"sasfp5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"How much python should I learn as a Mechanical Engineer student? I just finished Python Crash Course by Eric Matthes and I am wondering on which path I should go for. Should I go for an in-depth learning of python such as data science or machine learning or possibly learn things such as Excel VBA.  I am still unsure on which career I should take as I am very limited because I live in a third world country. I am very fascinated inaerospace and robots in general but that won\u2019t be an option unless I move to a better country.  Thanks for your insights","c_root_id_A":"htw8v8o","c_root_id_B":"htvfxx4","created_at_utc_A":1642955250,"created_at_utc_B":1642941031,"score_A":10,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I use excel daily.  Both VBA and Python are situational, but when I've used them, they have made the tasks way way faster and easier even though I had to google a ton and be a total hack to make the scripts work.","human_ref_B":"There are some MechEngs who use Python every day. On the other hand, even though programming is part of my daily job activities, I've never used Python.   I'd just focus on whatever language(s) are used in your engineering classes.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":14219.0,"score_ratio":3.3333333333}
{"post_id":"sasfp5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"How much python should I learn as a Mechanical Engineer student? I just finished Python Crash Course by Eric Matthes and I am wondering on which path I should go for. Should I go for an in-depth learning of python such as data science or machine learning or possibly learn things such as Excel VBA.  I am still unsure on which career I should take as I am very limited because I live in a third world country. I am very fascinated inaerospace and robots in general but that won\u2019t be an option unless I move to a better country.  Thanks for your insights","c_root_id_A":"htvymkf","c_root_id_B":"htw8v8o","created_at_utc_A":1642951085,"created_at_utc_B":1642955250,"score_A":3,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"I'm and ME designing heavy machinery and never programed ever. I will use a more focused tool like MathCAD for calculations. We have software engineers for the machine code. I do the machine state diagram.","human_ref_B":"I use excel daily.  Both VBA and Python are situational, but when I've used them, they have made the tasks way way faster and easier even though I had to google a ton and be a total hack to make the scripts work.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4165.0,"score_ratio":3.3333333333}
{"post_id":"sasfp5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"How much python should I learn as a Mechanical Engineer student? I just finished Python Crash Course by Eric Matthes and I am wondering on which path I should go for. Should I go for an in-depth learning of python such as data science or machine learning or possibly learn things such as Excel VBA.  I am still unsure on which career I should take as I am very limited because I live in a third world country. I am very fascinated inaerospace and robots in general but that won\u2019t be an option unless I move to a better country.  Thanks for your insights","c_root_id_A":"htvr8v4","c_root_id_B":"htxjm83","created_at_utc_A":1642947654,"created_at_utc_B":1642973267,"score_A":4,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"It depends on what you want to do, and what you might have the opportunity to do. General-use Python can be useful to almost any engineer. Serious data science and machine learning are specialities. I don't see a lot of opportunity to use them in a typical engineering job, but you never know. On the other hand, if you're interested in focusing on them, they can be interesting work and can pay really well, and might be easier to do remotely than a lot of other engineering.  Something like VBA would also be useful in many engineering roles. You could probably pick it up as needed if you are already comfortable in another language or two.  It really depends on what you want to do.","human_ref_B":"In my mind this isn't an either\/or situation. A good engineer in this day and age should be an expert Excel user *and* know a a language like Python fairly well. If you know Python, you wouldn't need to double down with VBA though.   There are times where a spreadsheet is the right tool. There are also times where you need to automate something or do some serious data crunching and Python (along with Pandas, Numpy, SciPy, matplotlib, Plotly, etc.) is often the best solution.  In my experience, knowing a programming language makes a mechanical engineer a far more valuable asset, and it will make you more desirable in the job market. I would always suggest starting with Python, but depending on your domain of problems, learning additional languages like Julia or Go can be extremely useful as well.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":25613.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"sasfp5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"How much python should I learn as a Mechanical Engineer student? I just finished Python Crash Course by Eric Matthes and I am wondering on which path I should go for. Should I go for an in-depth learning of python such as data science or machine learning or possibly learn things such as Excel VBA.  I am still unsure on which career I should take as I am very limited because I live in a third world country. I am very fascinated inaerospace and robots in general but that won\u2019t be an option unless I move to a better country.  Thanks for your insights","c_root_id_A":"htvfxx4","c_root_id_B":"htxjm83","created_at_utc_A":1642941031,"created_at_utc_B":1642973267,"score_A":3,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"There are some MechEngs who use Python every day. On the other hand, even though programming is part of my daily job activities, I've never used Python.   I'd just focus on whatever language(s) are used in your engineering classes.","human_ref_B":"In my mind this isn't an either\/or situation. A good engineer in this day and age should be an expert Excel user *and* know a a language like Python fairly well. If you know Python, you wouldn't need to double down with VBA though.   There are times where a spreadsheet is the right tool. There are also times where you need to automate something or do some serious data crunching and Python (along with Pandas, Numpy, SciPy, matplotlib, Plotly, etc.) is often the best solution.  In my experience, knowing a programming language makes a mechanical engineer a far more valuable asset, and it will make you more desirable in the job market. I would always suggest starting with Python, but depending on your domain of problems, learning additional languages like Julia or Go can be extremely useful as well.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":32236.0,"score_ratio":2.6666666667}
{"post_id":"sasfp5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"How much python should I learn as a Mechanical Engineer student? I just finished Python Crash Course by Eric Matthes and I am wondering on which path I should go for. Should I go for an in-depth learning of python such as data science or machine learning or possibly learn things such as Excel VBA.  I am still unsure on which career I should take as I am very limited because I live in a third world country. I am very fascinated inaerospace and robots in general but that won\u2019t be an option unless I move to a better country.  Thanks for your insights","c_root_id_A":"htx3bb6","c_root_id_B":"htxjm83","created_at_utc_A":1642967018,"created_at_utc_B":1642973267,"score_A":3,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"Excel (and by extension VBA) is used by every company in the US, so no matter your employer you'll have access to use that skill.   Aerospace can be hard to get into because a lot of companies do government contract work and require citizenship. Robotics, however, doesn't have those same limitations. Machine Learning would give you a path to expertise, which will make transferring to another country easier  I would recommend VBA and\/or machine learning","human_ref_B":"In my mind this isn't an either\/or situation. A good engineer in this day and age should be an expert Excel user *and* know a a language like Python fairly well. If you know Python, you wouldn't need to double down with VBA though.   There are times where a spreadsheet is the right tool. There are also times where you need to automate something or do some serious data crunching and Python (along with Pandas, Numpy, SciPy, matplotlib, Plotly, etc.) is often the best solution.  In my experience, knowing a programming language makes a mechanical engineer a far more valuable asset, and it will make you more desirable in the job market. I would always suggest starting with Python, but depending on your domain of problems, learning additional languages like Julia or Go can be extremely useful as well.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6249.0,"score_ratio":2.6666666667}
{"post_id":"sasfp5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"How much python should I learn as a Mechanical Engineer student? I just finished Python Crash Course by Eric Matthes and I am wondering on which path I should go for. Should I go for an in-depth learning of python such as data science or machine learning or possibly learn things such as Excel VBA.  I am still unsure on which career I should take as I am very limited because I live in a third world country. I am very fascinated inaerospace and robots in general but that won\u2019t be an option unless I move to a better country.  Thanks for your insights","c_root_id_A":"htxjm83","c_root_id_B":"htvymkf","created_at_utc_A":1642973267,"created_at_utc_B":1642951085,"score_A":8,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"In my mind this isn't an either\/or situation. A good engineer in this day and age should be an expert Excel user *and* know a a language like Python fairly well. If you know Python, you wouldn't need to double down with VBA though.   There are times where a spreadsheet is the right tool. There are also times where you need to automate something or do some serious data crunching and Python (along with Pandas, Numpy, SciPy, matplotlib, Plotly, etc.) is often the best solution.  In my experience, knowing a programming language makes a mechanical engineer a far more valuable asset, and it will make you more desirable in the job market. I would always suggest starting with Python, but depending on your domain of problems, learning additional languages like Julia or Go can be extremely useful as well.","human_ref_B":"I'm and ME designing heavy machinery and never programed ever. I will use a more focused tool like MathCAD for calculations. We have software engineers for the machine code. I do the machine state diagram.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":22182.0,"score_ratio":2.6666666667}
{"post_id":"sasfp5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"How much python should I learn as a Mechanical Engineer student? I just finished Python Crash Course by Eric Matthes and I am wondering on which path I should go for. Should I go for an in-depth learning of python such as data science or machine learning or possibly learn things such as Excel VBA.  I am still unsure on which career I should take as I am very limited because I live in a third world country. I am very fascinated inaerospace and robots in general but that won\u2019t be an option unless I move to a better country.  Thanks for your insights","c_root_id_A":"htxkjiq","c_root_id_B":"htvr8v4","created_at_utc_A":1642973610,"created_at_utc_B":1642947654,"score_A":6,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019m a 42yo Mechanical Engineer- I don\u2019t know what Python is and I\u2019m too afraid to ask","human_ref_B":"It depends on what you want to do, and what you might have the opportunity to do. General-use Python can be useful to almost any engineer. Serious data science and machine learning are specialities. I don't see a lot of opportunity to use them in a typical engineering job, but you never know. On the other hand, if you're interested in focusing on them, they can be interesting work and can pay really well, and might be easier to do remotely than a lot of other engineering.  Something like VBA would also be useful in many engineering roles. You could probably pick it up as needed if you are already comfortable in another language or two.  It really depends on what you want to do.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":25956.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"sasfp5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"How much python should I learn as a Mechanical Engineer student? I just finished Python Crash Course by Eric Matthes and I am wondering on which path I should go for. Should I go for an in-depth learning of python such as data science or machine learning or possibly learn things such as Excel VBA.  I am still unsure on which career I should take as I am very limited because I live in a third world country. I am very fascinated inaerospace and robots in general but that won\u2019t be an option unless I move to a better country.  Thanks for your insights","c_root_id_A":"htvfxx4","c_root_id_B":"htxkjiq","created_at_utc_A":1642941031,"created_at_utc_B":1642973610,"score_A":3,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"There are some MechEngs who use Python every day. On the other hand, even though programming is part of my daily job activities, I've never used Python.   I'd just focus on whatever language(s) are used in your engineering classes.","human_ref_B":"I\u2019m a 42yo Mechanical Engineer- I don\u2019t know what Python is and I\u2019m too afraid to ask","labels":0,"seconds_difference":32579.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"sasfp5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"How much python should I learn as a Mechanical Engineer student? I just finished Python Crash Course by Eric Matthes and I am wondering on which path I should go for. Should I go for an in-depth learning of python such as data science or machine learning or possibly learn things such as Excel VBA.  I am still unsure on which career I should take as I am very limited because I live in a third world country. I am very fascinated inaerospace and robots in general but that won\u2019t be an option unless I move to a better country.  Thanks for your insights","c_root_id_A":"htx3bb6","c_root_id_B":"htxkjiq","created_at_utc_A":1642967018,"created_at_utc_B":1642973610,"score_A":3,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Excel (and by extension VBA) is used by every company in the US, so no matter your employer you'll have access to use that skill.   Aerospace can be hard to get into because a lot of companies do government contract work and require citizenship. Robotics, however, doesn't have those same limitations. Machine Learning would give you a path to expertise, which will make transferring to another country easier  I would recommend VBA and\/or machine learning","human_ref_B":"I\u2019m a 42yo Mechanical Engineer- I don\u2019t know what Python is and I\u2019m too afraid to ask","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6592.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"sasfp5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"How much python should I learn as a Mechanical Engineer student? I just finished Python Crash Course by Eric Matthes and I am wondering on which path I should go for. Should I go for an in-depth learning of python such as data science or machine learning or possibly learn things such as Excel VBA.  I am still unsure on which career I should take as I am very limited because I live in a third world country. I am very fascinated inaerospace and robots in general but that won\u2019t be an option unless I move to a better country.  Thanks for your insights","c_root_id_A":"htxkjiq","c_root_id_B":"htvymkf","created_at_utc_A":1642973610,"created_at_utc_B":1642951085,"score_A":6,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019m a 42yo Mechanical Engineer- I don\u2019t know what Python is and I\u2019m too afraid to ask","human_ref_B":"I'm and ME designing heavy machinery and never programed ever. I will use a more focused tool like MathCAD for calculations. We have software engineers for the machine code. I do the machine state diagram.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":22525.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"sasfp5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"How much python should I learn as a Mechanical Engineer student? I just finished Python Crash Course by Eric Matthes and I am wondering on which path I should go for. Should I go for an in-depth learning of python such as data science or machine learning or possibly learn things such as Excel VBA.  I am still unsure on which career I should take as I am very limited because I live in a third world country. I am very fascinated inaerospace and robots in general but that won\u2019t be an option unless I move to a better country.  Thanks for your insights","c_root_id_A":"htvfxx4","c_root_id_B":"htvr8v4","created_at_utc_A":1642941031,"created_at_utc_B":1642947654,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"There are some MechEngs who use Python every day. On the other hand, even though programming is part of my daily job activities, I've never used Python.   I'd just focus on whatever language(s) are used in your engineering classes.","human_ref_B":"It depends on what you want to do, and what you might have the opportunity to do. General-use Python can be useful to almost any engineer. Serious data science and machine learning are specialities. I don't see a lot of opportunity to use them in a typical engineering job, but you never know. On the other hand, if you're interested in focusing on them, they can be interesting work and can pay really well, and might be easier to do remotely than a lot of other engineering.  Something like VBA would also be useful in many engineering roles. You could probably pick it up as needed if you are already comfortable in another language or two.  It really depends on what you want to do.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6623.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"yk1rpd","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"What gearbox do I need for my application?  I worked with an engineer and bought their recommended product, but my motor is having a current overload from running so slow.  I am trying to find out what ratio gear box I actually need. I currently am running a 460v 3 phase 2hp motor with a 30:1 gearbox to a peristaltic pump. I use this setup for paint application to rubber mulch. But to get the right amount of paint I have to run the motor at 2.5 to 4 hz which is causing a current overload on the motor. I need to get the motor up around 25-30 hz.  Current set up, Baldor 3 phase, 2hp motor, rpm is 1755, 145tc frame; motovario nmrv-p090, 30:1 gearbox; Verderflex dura 5-35 peristaltic pump.  I would hate to have to change the whole set up, because I just got this based on the recommendation of the engineers from the peristaltic pump company.  Thanks","c_root_id_A":"iuqxg5g","c_root_id_B":"iuqvz02","created_at_utc_A":1667388977,"created_at_utc_B":1667388036,"score_A":19,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"Ideally you'd want to 5x-10x your gear reduction (150:1 or 300:1) however you could make this work if you increase the frequency and divert the extra flow right back to your sump with a larger diameter high flow line a T fitting and a smaller diameter low flow line to the paint applicator. Assuming the paint is quite viscous the line size change should help manage the pretty drastic difference in flow necessary.  This would be fun to try and make work but you should really just change the gearbox lol  Good luck","human_ref_B":"Hopefully you are aware you can change the flow rate of a peristaltic pump by changing the tubing size? Sounds like you need much smaller tubing and maybe a smaller pump as well.  If not, 4 Hz to 30 Hz is 7.5 times faster, so you 7.5 times more gear reduction. A 200:1 gearbox is an off the shelf component.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":941.0,"score_ratio":1.1176470588}
{"post_id":"yk1rpd","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"What gearbox do I need for my application?  I worked with an engineer and bought their recommended product, but my motor is having a current overload from running so slow.  I am trying to find out what ratio gear box I actually need. I currently am running a 460v 3 phase 2hp motor with a 30:1 gearbox to a peristaltic pump. I use this setup for paint application to rubber mulch. But to get the right amount of paint I have to run the motor at 2.5 to 4 hz which is causing a current overload on the motor. I need to get the motor up around 25-30 hz.  Current set up, Baldor 3 phase, 2hp motor, rpm is 1755, 145tc frame; motovario nmrv-p090, 30:1 gearbox; Verderflex dura 5-35 peristaltic pump.  I would hate to have to change the whole set up, because I just got this based on the recommendation of the engineers from the peristaltic pump company.  Thanks","c_root_id_A":"iuqxg5g","c_root_id_B":"iuqvyxg","created_at_utc_A":1667388977,"created_at_utc_B":1667388035,"score_A":19,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"Ideally you'd want to 5x-10x your gear reduction (150:1 or 300:1) however you could make this work if you increase the frequency and divert the extra flow right back to your sump with a larger diameter high flow line a T fitting and a smaller diameter low flow line to the paint applicator. Assuming the paint is quite viscous the line size change should help manage the pretty drastic difference in flow necessary.  This would be fun to try and make work but you should really just change the gearbox lol  Good luck","human_ref_B":"If you are running 2.5 hz right now and need to get up to 25, you need 10x the current reduction to use the same motor. That could mean another 10:1 gearbox or swapping out your 30:1 for a 300:1. I'd give more technical detail, but I'm just a controls guy and probably oversimplified","labels":1,"seconds_difference":942.0,"score_ratio":1.5833333333}
{"post_id":"yk1rpd","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"What gearbox do I need for my application?  I worked with an engineer and bought their recommended product, but my motor is having a current overload from running so slow.  I am trying to find out what ratio gear box I actually need. I currently am running a 460v 3 phase 2hp motor with a 30:1 gearbox to a peristaltic pump. I use this setup for paint application to rubber mulch. But to get the right amount of paint I have to run the motor at 2.5 to 4 hz which is causing a current overload on the motor. I need to get the motor up around 25-30 hz.  Current set up, Baldor 3 phase, 2hp motor, rpm is 1755, 145tc frame; motovario nmrv-p090, 30:1 gearbox; Verderflex dura 5-35 peristaltic pump.  I would hate to have to change the whole set up, because I just got this based on the recommendation of the engineers from the peristaltic pump company.  Thanks","c_root_id_A":"iuqvyxg","c_root_id_B":"iuqvz02","created_at_utc_A":1667388035,"created_at_utc_B":1667388036,"score_A":12,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"If you are running 2.5 hz right now and need to get up to 25, you need 10x the current reduction to use the same motor. That could mean another 10:1 gearbox or swapping out your 30:1 for a 300:1. I'd give more technical detail, but I'm just a controls guy and probably oversimplified","human_ref_B":"Hopefully you are aware you can change the flow rate of a peristaltic pump by changing the tubing size? Sounds like you need much smaller tubing and maybe a smaller pump as well.  If not, 4 Hz to 30 Hz is 7.5 times faster, so you 7.5 times more gear reduction. A 200:1 gearbox is an off the shelf component.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1.0,"score_ratio":1.4166666667}
{"post_id":"tlodg","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"To professional (especially chemical) engineers: was there ever a time in college where you felt like you weren't smart enough to be an engineer? To those who have completed their engineering degree and are working as an engineer, was there ever a time when you thought you weren't smart enough to \"make it\"?   I'm starting my junior year at college in chemical engineering, and I feel sometimes like I'm just not smart enough to finish my degree. Is it true that once you get through the math and organic chemistry, the rest is a lot better? I'm honestly worried sometimes that I just won't be able to pass the upper level classes and complete my degree because my peers don't seem to have to work nearly as hard as I do. I'm seeing people breeze through classes that I've struggled with and I know I'm smart, but I'm starting to think that you have to be really, really very smart to actually be good enough.   Is it just a dedication thing? When did you know that you could do this? Thanks, Reddit.   I guess I should specify that I feel like I'm smart enough to complete all the \"lower level\" courses, but I feel like it is just going to keep getting harder and I don't know how much more I can make this work before I won't be smart enough to keep going. Does that make sense?","c_root_id_A":"c4np5l2","c_root_id_B":"c4nopal","created_at_utc_A":1336959700,"created_at_utc_B":1336957287,"score_A":25,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"If you aren't thinking this, you're doing it wrong.","human_ref_B":"everyone has their strengths and they do better in some classes compared to others. I have found that the people who do well in every class are generally just good at school and that does not necessarily make them good engineers. I was\/am never good at math and always struggled with it up to my PhD. I am however very good at lab work and never had issues with math holding me back in the real world because I am never forced to do complex math with a time limit. I may have had shitty grades as an undergrad (<3.0) but that didn't stop me from getting a masters and PhD in engineering. I have found that I am not the best at school but that does not stop me from being a good engineer.  Take each semester and class on its own merit, dont worry about the next semester. Break down each class and subject into its simplest components and understand it from the ground up, just like engineering a complex system. Thermo as a whole is complex but each little part is not so bad, you have to learn not to get overwhelmed.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2413.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"tlodg","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"To professional (especially chemical) engineers: was there ever a time in college where you felt like you weren't smart enough to be an engineer? To those who have completed their engineering degree and are working as an engineer, was there ever a time when you thought you weren't smart enough to \"make it\"?   I'm starting my junior year at college in chemical engineering, and I feel sometimes like I'm just not smart enough to finish my degree. Is it true that once you get through the math and organic chemistry, the rest is a lot better? I'm honestly worried sometimes that I just won't be able to pass the upper level classes and complete my degree because my peers don't seem to have to work nearly as hard as I do. I'm seeing people breeze through classes that I've struggled with and I know I'm smart, but I'm starting to think that you have to be really, really very smart to actually be good enough.   Is it just a dedication thing? When did you know that you could do this? Thanks, Reddit.   I guess I should specify that I feel like I'm smart enough to complete all the \"lower level\" courses, but I feel like it is just going to keep getting harder and I don't know how much more I can make this work before I won't be smart enough to keep going. Does that make sense?","c_root_id_A":"c4nptwa","c_root_id_B":"c4nrci6","created_at_utc_A":1336963000,"created_at_utc_B":1336970756,"score_A":3,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"You feel this after you leave college.  All the time.  This is a good thing.  It encourages you to push yourself harder.","human_ref_B":"One thing I noticed, and now I'm wondering if anybody else has too, is that the \"easier\" an exam or homework set was, the worse I did on it.  I don't know if it was an overconfidence thing or what, but that was a very disturbing trend I discovered in school.  Thus, by the time I graduated, if I didn't leave an exam thinking I failed it I was always worried.  I graduated with my chemical engineering degree about a year and half ago, and to this day I still feel like a dummy.  I had an okay GPA in college and had several offers after graduation, but the one I ended up taking was probably the least technical.  As dav0r said, constantly questioning your own mastery of a subject is very important.  Finally, those kids who look like they're breezing through school?  They're putting on a show.  That was definitely true of my engineering class: those who pretended to have the easiest time were usually the ones doing the worst.  Everyone, and I mean everyone, struggles with at least some part of Chem E.  The truth is it's really fucking hard.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7756.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"tlodg","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"To professional (especially chemical) engineers: was there ever a time in college where you felt like you weren't smart enough to be an engineer? To those who have completed their engineering degree and are working as an engineer, was there ever a time when you thought you weren't smart enough to \"make it\"?   I'm starting my junior year at college in chemical engineering, and I feel sometimes like I'm just not smart enough to finish my degree. Is it true that once you get through the math and organic chemistry, the rest is a lot better? I'm honestly worried sometimes that I just won't be able to pass the upper level classes and complete my degree because my peers don't seem to have to work nearly as hard as I do. I'm seeing people breeze through classes that I've struggled with and I know I'm smart, but I'm starting to think that you have to be really, really very smart to actually be good enough.   Is it just a dedication thing? When did you know that you could do this? Thanks, Reddit.   I guess I should specify that I feel like I'm smart enough to complete all the \"lower level\" courses, but I feel like it is just going to keep getting harder and I don't know how much more I can make this work before I won't be smart enough to keep going. Does that make sense?","c_root_id_A":"c4nrci6","c_root_id_B":"c4nqmzn","created_at_utc_A":1336970756,"created_at_utc_B":1336966959,"score_A":6,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"One thing I noticed, and now I'm wondering if anybody else has too, is that the \"easier\" an exam or homework set was, the worse I did on it.  I don't know if it was an overconfidence thing or what, but that was a very disturbing trend I discovered in school.  Thus, by the time I graduated, if I didn't leave an exam thinking I failed it I was always worried.  I graduated with my chemical engineering degree about a year and half ago, and to this day I still feel like a dummy.  I had an okay GPA in college and had several offers after graduation, but the one I ended up taking was probably the least technical.  As dav0r said, constantly questioning your own mastery of a subject is very important.  Finally, those kids who look like they're breezing through school?  They're putting on a show.  That was definitely true of my engineering class: those who pretended to have the easiest time were usually the ones doing the worst.  Everyone, and I mean everyone, struggles with at least some part of Chem E.  The truth is it's really fucking hard.","human_ref_B":"Chemical Engineering is much more about learning how to learn rather than learning to solve problems. I'm also not sure how your school's curriculum is structured, but at CMU generally the upper level classes are just a TON more work, not necessarily harder work though.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3797.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"tlodg","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"To professional (especially chemical) engineers: was there ever a time in college where you felt like you weren't smart enough to be an engineer? To those who have completed their engineering degree and are working as an engineer, was there ever a time when you thought you weren't smart enough to \"make it\"?   I'm starting my junior year at college in chemical engineering, and I feel sometimes like I'm just not smart enough to finish my degree. Is it true that once you get through the math and organic chemistry, the rest is a lot better? I'm honestly worried sometimes that I just won't be able to pass the upper level classes and complete my degree because my peers don't seem to have to work nearly as hard as I do. I'm seeing people breeze through classes that I've struggled with and I know I'm smart, but I'm starting to think that you have to be really, really very smart to actually be good enough.   Is it just a dedication thing? When did you know that you could do this? Thanks, Reddit.   I guess I should specify that I feel like I'm smart enough to complete all the \"lower level\" courses, but I feel like it is just going to keep getting harder and I don't know how much more I can make this work before I won't be smart enough to keep going. Does that make sense?","c_root_id_A":"c4ns0fm","c_root_id_B":"c4nqmzn","created_at_utc_A":1336974894,"created_at_utc_B":1336966959,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I think I got a 23\/100 on an exam. I was like 40 points below the average. I definitely felt like I was out of place.  Find a couple of classes you like and did well in - focus on those when you get to choose electives in your department. Try to pursue internships with those as your focus.","human_ref_B":"Chemical Engineering is much more about learning how to learn rather than learning to solve problems. I'm also not sure how your school's curriculum is structured, but at CMU generally the upper level classes are just a TON more work, not necessarily harder work though.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7935.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"tlodg","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"To professional (especially chemical) engineers: was there ever a time in college where you felt like you weren't smart enough to be an engineer? To those who have completed their engineering degree and are working as an engineer, was there ever a time when you thought you weren't smart enough to \"make it\"?   I'm starting my junior year at college in chemical engineering, and I feel sometimes like I'm just not smart enough to finish my degree. Is it true that once you get through the math and organic chemistry, the rest is a lot better? I'm honestly worried sometimes that I just won't be able to pass the upper level classes and complete my degree because my peers don't seem to have to work nearly as hard as I do. I'm seeing people breeze through classes that I've struggled with and I know I'm smart, but I'm starting to think that you have to be really, really very smart to actually be good enough.   Is it just a dedication thing? When did you know that you could do this? Thanks, Reddit.   I guess I should specify that I feel like I'm smart enough to complete all the \"lower level\" courses, but I feel like it is just going to keep getting harder and I don't know how much more I can make this work before I won't be smart enough to keep going. Does that make sense?","c_root_id_A":"c4nwp4b","c_root_id_B":"c4nqmzn","created_at_utc_A":1337013284,"created_at_utc_B":1336966959,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I'm still pretty certain I'm not smart enough.  My employer has yet to catch on ;-).","human_ref_B":"Chemical Engineering is much more about learning how to learn rather than learning to solve problems. I'm also not sure how your school's curriculum is structured, but at CMU generally the upper level classes are just a TON more work, not necessarily harder work though.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":46325.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"tlodg","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"To professional (especially chemical) engineers: was there ever a time in college where you felt like you weren't smart enough to be an engineer? To those who have completed their engineering degree and are working as an engineer, was there ever a time when you thought you weren't smart enough to \"make it\"?   I'm starting my junior year at college in chemical engineering, and I feel sometimes like I'm just not smart enough to finish my degree. Is it true that once you get through the math and organic chemistry, the rest is a lot better? I'm honestly worried sometimes that I just won't be able to pass the upper level classes and complete my degree because my peers don't seem to have to work nearly as hard as I do. I'm seeing people breeze through classes that I've struggled with and I know I'm smart, but I'm starting to think that you have to be really, really very smart to actually be good enough.   Is it just a dedication thing? When did you know that you could do this? Thanks, Reddit.   I guess I should specify that I feel like I'm smart enough to complete all the \"lower level\" courses, but I feel like it is just going to keep getting harder and I don't know how much more I can make this work before I won't be smart enough to keep going. Does that make sense?","c_root_id_A":"c4ntuhv","c_root_id_B":"c4nwp4b","created_at_utc_A":1336994699,"created_at_utc_B":1337013284,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Everybody goes through this. It's like an anxiety\/panic attack thing when your brain starts some serious rewiring. Your existing safe assumptions become threatened and you feel loss of control.  It's very normal. Just keep at it and put those thoughts aside.","human_ref_B":"I'm still pretty certain I'm not smart enough.  My employer has yet to catch on ;-).","labels":0,"seconds_difference":18585.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"tlodg","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"To professional (especially chemical) engineers: was there ever a time in college where you felt like you weren't smart enough to be an engineer? To those who have completed their engineering degree and are working as an engineer, was there ever a time when you thought you weren't smart enough to \"make it\"?   I'm starting my junior year at college in chemical engineering, and I feel sometimes like I'm just not smart enough to finish my degree. Is it true that once you get through the math and organic chemistry, the rest is a lot better? I'm honestly worried sometimes that I just won't be able to pass the upper level classes and complete my degree because my peers don't seem to have to work nearly as hard as I do. I'm seeing people breeze through classes that I've struggled with and I know I'm smart, but I'm starting to think that you have to be really, really very smart to actually be good enough.   Is it just a dedication thing? When did you know that you could do this? Thanks, Reddit.   I guess I should specify that I feel like I'm smart enough to complete all the \"lower level\" courses, but I feel like it is just going to keep getting harder and I don't know how much more I can make this work before I won't be smart enough to keep going. Does that make sense?","c_root_id_A":"c4nv9sl","c_root_id_B":"c4nwp4b","created_at_utc_A":1337006332,"created_at_utc_B":1337013284,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Students need to be aware that things do ratchet up a bit in the second year.  The people who really couldn't take it either dropped out or switched to something else, so the pace can be faster. I am not saying you can't manage it, just brace yourself for more work.  On the other hand you don't still have to face some of the difficulties of the first year -- just the plain mechanics of living  often occupy most of a student's first few months, and getting used to not being one of the cleverest in the class as you were in school, and having to actually really work at understanding stuff. That doesn't mean you are dumb, it means you are in the right place for bright people.  One of the useful things you can do over the summer is to read up on study skills. You may think you know all that but you undoubtedly don't, and if you always easily came top at school, you may actually know less about study techniques than your classmates who were working harder.","human_ref_B":"I'm still pretty certain I'm not smart enough.  My employer has yet to catch on ;-).","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6952.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"tlodg","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"To professional (especially chemical) engineers: was there ever a time in college where you felt like you weren't smart enough to be an engineer? To those who have completed their engineering degree and are working as an engineer, was there ever a time when you thought you weren't smart enough to \"make it\"?   I'm starting my junior year at college in chemical engineering, and I feel sometimes like I'm just not smart enough to finish my degree. Is it true that once you get through the math and organic chemistry, the rest is a lot better? I'm honestly worried sometimes that I just won't be able to pass the upper level classes and complete my degree because my peers don't seem to have to work nearly as hard as I do. I'm seeing people breeze through classes that I've struggled with and I know I'm smart, but I'm starting to think that you have to be really, really very smart to actually be good enough.   Is it just a dedication thing? When did you know that you could do this? Thanks, Reddit.   I guess I should specify that I feel like I'm smart enough to complete all the \"lower level\" courses, but I feel like it is just going to keep getting harder and I don't know how much more I can make this work before I won't be smart enough to keep going. Does that make sense?","c_root_id_A":"c4nqmzn","c_root_id_B":"c4ny8nf","created_at_utc_A":1336966959,"created_at_utc_B":1337020043,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Chemical Engineering is much more about learning how to learn rather than learning to solve problems. I'm also not sure how your school's curriculum is structured, but at CMU generally the upper level classes are just a TON more work, not necessarily harder work though.","human_ref_B":"Every day of my life.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":53084.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"tlodg","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"To professional (especially chemical) engineers: was there ever a time in college where you felt like you weren't smart enough to be an engineer? To those who have completed their engineering degree and are working as an engineer, was there ever a time when you thought you weren't smart enough to \"make it\"?   I'm starting my junior year at college in chemical engineering, and I feel sometimes like I'm just not smart enough to finish my degree. Is it true that once you get through the math and organic chemistry, the rest is a lot better? I'm honestly worried sometimes that I just won't be able to pass the upper level classes and complete my degree because my peers don't seem to have to work nearly as hard as I do. I'm seeing people breeze through classes that I've struggled with and I know I'm smart, but I'm starting to think that you have to be really, really very smart to actually be good enough.   Is it just a dedication thing? When did you know that you could do this? Thanks, Reddit.   I guess I should specify that I feel like I'm smart enough to complete all the \"lower level\" courses, but I feel like it is just going to keep getting harder and I don't know how much more I can make this work before I won't be smart enough to keep going. Does that make sense?","c_root_id_A":"c4ntuhv","c_root_id_B":"c4ny8nf","created_at_utc_A":1336994699,"created_at_utc_B":1337020043,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Everybody goes through this. It's like an anxiety\/panic attack thing when your brain starts some serious rewiring. Your existing safe assumptions become threatened and you feel loss of control.  It's very normal. Just keep at it and put those thoughts aside.","human_ref_B":"Every day of my life.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":25344.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"tlodg","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"To professional (especially chemical) engineers: was there ever a time in college where you felt like you weren't smart enough to be an engineer? To those who have completed their engineering degree and are working as an engineer, was there ever a time when you thought you weren't smart enough to \"make it\"?   I'm starting my junior year at college in chemical engineering, and I feel sometimes like I'm just not smart enough to finish my degree. Is it true that once you get through the math and organic chemistry, the rest is a lot better? I'm honestly worried sometimes that I just won't be able to pass the upper level classes and complete my degree because my peers don't seem to have to work nearly as hard as I do. I'm seeing people breeze through classes that I've struggled with and I know I'm smart, but I'm starting to think that you have to be really, really very smart to actually be good enough.   Is it just a dedication thing? When did you know that you could do this? Thanks, Reddit.   I guess I should specify that I feel like I'm smart enough to complete all the \"lower level\" courses, but I feel like it is just going to keep getting harder and I don't know how much more I can make this work before I won't be smart enough to keep going. Does that make sense?","c_root_id_A":"c4nv9sl","c_root_id_B":"c4ny8nf","created_at_utc_A":1337006332,"created_at_utc_B":1337020043,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Students need to be aware that things do ratchet up a bit in the second year.  The people who really couldn't take it either dropped out or switched to something else, so the pace can be faster. I am not saying you can't manage it, just brace yourself for more work.  On the other hand you don't still have to face some of the difficulties of the first year -- just the plain mechanics of living  often occupy most of a student's first few months, and getting used to not being one of the cleverest in the class as you were in school, and having to actually really work at understanding stuff. That doesn't mean you are dumb, it means you are in the right place for bright people.  One of the useful things you can do over the summer is to read up on study skills. You may think you know all that but you undoubtedly don't, and if you always easily came top at school, you may actually know less about study techniques than your classmates who were working harder.","human_ref_B":"Every day of my life.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":13711.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"tlodg","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"To professional (especially chemical) engineers: was there ever a time in college where you felt like you weren't smart enough to be an engineer? To those who have completed their engineering degree and are working as an engineer, was there ever a time when you thought you weren't smart enough to \"make it\"?   I'm starting my junior year at college in chemical engineering, and I feel sometimes like I'm just not smart enough to finish my degree. Is it true that once you get through the math and organic chemistry, the rest is a lot better? I'm honestly worried sometimes that I just won't be able to pass the upper level classes and complete my degree because my peers don't seem to have to work nearly as hard as I do. I'm seeing people breeze through classes that I've struggled with and I know I'm smart, but I'm starting to think that you have to be really, really very smart to actually be good enough.   Is it just a dedication thing? When did you know that you could do this? Thanks, Reddit.   I guess I should specify that I feel like I'm smart enough to complete all the \"lower level\" courses, but I feel like it is just going to keep getting harder and I don't know how much more I can make this work before I won't be smart enough to keep going. Does that make sense?","c_root_id_A":"c4ny8nf","c_root_id_B":"c4nx4un","created_at_utc_A":1337020043,"created_at_utc_B":1337015202,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Every day of my life.","human_ref_B":"Not a professional engineer, but I'm in the same position as you. I don't really know the equivalent to the American schooling system, but I'm in the UK at what WE call college (Which to you, I think is like, the last 2 years of high school?) And I'm doing Electronical Engineering and Maths (Along with Music & Music Tech, but they're irrelevant), and I really just feel that it's all going way above my head, I don't really feel like I understand anything. I'd love to be an engineer, but I'm really not sure if I have the brain for it.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4841.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"tlodg","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"To professional (especially chemical) engineers: was there ever a time in college where you felt like you weren't smart enough to be an engineer? To those who have completed their engineering degree and are working as an engineer, was there ever a time when you thought you weren't smart enough to \"make it\"?   I'm starting my junior year at college in chemical engineering, and I feel sometimes like I'm just not smart enough to finish my degree. Is it true that once you get through the math and organic chemistry, the rest is a lot better? I'm honestly worried sometimes that I just won't be able to pass the upper level classes and complete my degree because my peers don't seem to have to work nearly as hard as I do. I'm seeing people breeze through classes that I've struggled with and I know I'm smart, but I'm starting to think that you have to be really, really very smart to actually be good enough.   Is it just a dedication thing? When did you know that you could do this? Thanks, Reddit.   I guess I should specify that I feel like I'm smart enough to complete all the \"lower level\" courses, but I feel like it is just going to keep getting harder and I don't know how much more I can make this work before I won't be smart enough to keep going. Does that make sense?","c_root_id_A":"c4nqmzn","c_root_id_B":"c4nyob5","created_at_utc_A":1336966959,"created_at_utc_B":1337021946,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Chemical Engineering is much more about learning how to learn rather than learning to solve problems. I'm also not sure how your school's curriculum is structured, but at CMU generally the upper level classes are just a TON more work, not necessarily harder work though.","human_ref_B":"For me, I was a less than stellar exam guy (with the odd exception). I would waltz into a final with an A and stumble out with a C, even after preparing my ass off. Some subjects were worse than others because I downright hated them (Transport Phenomena and Advanced Mathematical Methods being good examples). There were a few times where I was worried that my low grades were going to keep me from getting a job because I was competing against a throng of super-nerd\/geniuses. Well, here I am, 5 years into my career, with my P Eng, with people 3-6 years my senior reporting to me. Why? Because I work well with people and I don't mind being the bad guy when I have to. Jsmayne had it right in that your post-secondary degree is more about plugging through it and getting that really, REALLY expensive piece of paper. From there on in, your people skills (and your ability to cram info into your head when you have a huge deadline) will be your guide.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":54987.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"tlodg","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"To professional (especially chemical) engineers: was there ever a time in college where you felt like you weren't smart enough to be an engineer? To those who have completed their engineering degree and are working as an engineer, was there ever a time when you thought you weren't smart enough to \"make it\"?   I'm starting my junior year at college in chemical engineering, and I feel sometimes like I'm just not smart enough to finish my degree. Is it true that once you get through the math and organic chemistry, the rest is a lot better? I'm honestly worried sometimes that I just won't be able to pass the upper level classes and complete my degree because my peers don't seem to have to work nearly as hard as I do. I'm seeing people breeze through classes that I've struggled with and I know I'm smart, but I'm starting to think that you have to be really, really very smart to actually be good enough.   Is it just a dedication thing? When did you know that you could do this? Thanks, Reddit.   I guess I should specify that I feel like I'm smart enough to complete all the \"lower level\" courses, but I feel like it is just going to keep getting harder and I don't know how much more I can make this work before I won't be smart enough to keep going. Does that make sense?","c_root_id_A":"c4ntuhv","c_root_id_B":"c4nyob5","created_at_utc_A":1336994699,"created_at_utc_B":1337021946,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Everybody goes through this. It's like an anxiety\/panic attack thing when your brain starts some serious rewiring. Your existing safe assumptions become threatened and you feel loss of control.  It's very normal. Just keep at it and put those thoughts aside.","human_ref_B":"For me, I was a less than stellar exam guy (with the odd exception). I would waltz into a final with an A and stumble out with a C, even after preparing my ass off. Some subjects were worse than others because I downright hated them (Transport Phenomena and Advanced Mathematical Methods being good examples). There were a few times where I was worried that my low grades were going to keep me from getting a job because I was competing against a throng of super-nerd\/geniuses. Well, here I am, 5 years into my career, with my P Eng, with people 3-6 years my senior reporting to me. Why? Because I work well with people and I don't mind being the bad guy when I have to. Jsmayne had it right in that your post-secondary degree is more about plugging through it and getting that really, REALLY expensive piece of paper. From there on in, your people skills (and your ability to cram info into your head when you have a huge deadline) will be your guide.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":27247.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"tlodg","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"To professional (especially chemical) engineers: was there ever a time in college where you felt like you weren't smart enough to be an engineer? To those who have completed their engineering degree and are working as an engineer, was there ever a time when you thought you weren't smart enough to \"make it\"?   I'm starting my junior year at college in chemical engineering, and I feel sometimes like I'm just not smart enough to finish my degree. Is it true that once you get through the math and organic chemistry, the rest is a lot better? I'm honestly worried sometimes that I just won't be able to pass the upper level classes and complete my degree because my peers don't seem to have to work nearly as hard as I do. I'm seeing people breeze through classes that I've struggled with and I know I'm smart, but I'm starting to think that you have to be really, really very smart to actually be good enough.   Is it just a dedication thing? When did you know that you could do this? Thanks, Reddit.   I guess I should specify that I feel like I'm smart enough to complete all the \"lower level\" courses, but I feel like it is just going to keep getting harder and I don't know how much more I can make this work before I won't be smart enough to keep going. Does that make sense?","c_root_id_A":"c4nyob5","c_root_id_B":"c4nv9sl","created_at_utc_A":1337021946,"created_at_utc_B":1337006332,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"For me, I was a less than stellar exam guy (with the odd exception). I would waltz into a final with an A and stumble out with a C, even after preparing my ass off. Some subjects were worse than others because I downright hated them (Transport Phenomena and Advanced Mathematical Methods being good examples). There were a few times where I was worried that my low grades were going to keep me from getting a job because I was competing against a throng of super-nerd\/geniuses. Well, here I am, 5 years into my career, with my P Eng, with people 3-6 years my senior reporting to me. Why? Because I work well with people and I don't mind being the bad guy when I have to. Jsmayne had it right in that your post-secondary degree is more about plugging through it and getting that really, REALLY expensive piece of paper. From there on in, your people skills (and your ability to cram info into your head when you have a huge deadline) will be your guide.","human_ref_B":"Students need to be aware that things do ratchet up a bit in the second year.  The people who really couldn't take it either dropped out or switched to something else, so the pace can be faster. I am not saying you can't manage it, just brace yourself for more work.  On the other hand you don't still have to face some of the difficulties of the first year -- just the plain mechanics of living  often occupy most of a student's first few months, and getting used to not being one of the cleverest in the class as you were in school, and having to actually really work at understanding stuff. That doesn't mean you are dumb, it means you are in the right place for bright people.  One of the useful things you can do over the summer is to read up on study skills. You may think you know all that but you undoubtedly don't, and if you always easily came top at school, you may actually know less about study techniques than your classmates who were working harder.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":15614.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"tlodg","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"To professional (especially chemical) engineers: was there ever a time in college where you felt like you weren't smart enough to be an engineer? To those who have completed their engineering degree and are working as an engineer, was there ever a time when you thought you weren't smart enough to \"make it\"?   I'm starting my junior year at college in chemical engineering, and I feel sometimes like I'm just not smart enough to finish my degree. Is it true that once you get through the math and organic chemistry, the rest is a lot better? I'm honestly worried sometimes that I just won't be able to pass the upper level classes and complete my degree because my peers don't seem to have to work nearly as hard as I do. I'm seeing people breeze through classes that I've struggled with and I know I'm smart, but I'm starting to think that you have to be really, really very smart to actually be good enough.   Is it just a dedication thing? When did you know that you could do this? Thanks, Reddit.   I guess I should specify that I feel like I'm smart enough to complete all the \"lower level\" courses, but I feel like it is just going to keep getting harder and I don't know how much more I can make this work before I won't be smart enough to keep going. Does that make sense?","c_root_id_A":"c4nx4un","c_root_id_B":"c4nyob5","created_at_utc_A":1337015202,"created_at_utc_B":1337021946,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Not a professional engineer, but I'm in the same position as you. I don't really know the equivalent to the American schooling system, but I'm in the UK at what WE call college (Which to you, I think is like, the last 2 years of high school?) And I'm doing Electronical Engineering and Maths (Along with Music & Music Tech, but they're irrelevant), and I really just feel that it's all going way above my head, I don't really feel like I understand anything. I'd love to be an engineer, but I'm really not sure if I have the brain for it.","human_ref_B":"For me, I was a less than stellar exam guy (with the odd exception). I would waltz into a final with an A and stumble out with a C, even after preparing my ass off. Some subjects were worse than others because I downright hated them (Transport Phenomena and Advanced Mathematical Methods being good examples). There were a few times where I was worried that my low grades were going to keep me from getting a job because I was competing against a throng of super-nerd\/geniuses. Well, here I am, 5 years into my career, with my P Eng, with people 3-6 years my senior reporting to me. Why? Because I work well with people and I don't mind being the bad guy when I have to. Jsmayne had it right in that your post-secondary degree is more about plugging through it and getting that really, REALLY expensive piece of paper. From there on in, your people skills (and your ability to cram info into your head when you have a huge deadline) will be your guide.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6744.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"tlodg","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"To professional (especially chemical) engineers: was there ever a time in college where you felt like you weren't smart enough to be an engineer? To those who have completed their engineering degree and are working as an engineer, was there ever a time when you thought you weren't smart enough to \"make it\"?   I'm starting my junior year at college in chemical engineering, and I feel sometimes like I'm just not smart enough to finish my degree. Is it true that once you get through the math and organic chemistry, the rest is a lot better? I'm honestly worried sometimes that I just won't be able to pass the upper level classes and complete my degree because my peers don't seem to have to work nearly as hard as I do. I'm seeing people breeze through classes that I've struggled with and I know I'm smart, but I'm starting to think that you have to be really, really very smart to actually be good enough.   Is it just a dedication thing? When did you know that you could do this? Thanks, Reddit.   I guess I should specify that I feel like I'm smart enough to complete all the \"lower level\" courses, but I feel like it is just going to keep getting harder and I don't know how much more I can make this work before I won't be smart enough to keep going. Does that make sense?","c_root_id_A":"c4nzgra","c_root_id_B":"c4nqmzn","created_at_utc_A":1337025424,"created_at_utc_B":1336966959,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I'm an ME, and i certainly found myself thinking that.  I don't believe it anymore, now that I have a degree sitting in a drawer in my room.","human_ref_B":"Chemical Engineering is much more about learning how to learn rather than learning to solve problems. I'm also not sure how your school's curriculum is structured, but at CMU generally the upper level classes are just a TON more work, not necessarily harder work though.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":58465.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"tlodg","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"To professional (especially chemical) engineers: was there ever a time in college where you felt like you weren't smart enough to be an engineer? To those who have completed their engineering degree and are working as an engineer, was there ever a time when you thought you weren't smart enough to \"make it\"?   I'm starting my junior year at college in chemical engineering, and I feel sometimes like I'm just not smart enough to finish my degree. Is it true that once you get through the math and organic chemistry, the rest is a lot better? I'm honestly worried sometimes that I just won't be able to pass the upper level classes and complete my degree because my peers don't seem to have to work nearly as hard as I do. I'm seeing people breeze through classes that I've struggled with and I know I'm smart, but I'm starting to think that you have to be really, really very smart to actually be good enough.   Is it just a dedication thing? When did you know that you could do this? Thanks, Reddit.   I guess I should specify that I feel like I'm smart enough to complete all the \"lower level\" courses, but I feel like it is just going to keep getting harder and I don't know how much more I can make this work before I won't be smart enough to keep going. Does that make sense?","c_root_id_A":"c4ntuhv","c_root_id_B":"c4nzgra","created_at_utc_A":1336994699,"created_at_utc_B":1337025424,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Everybody goes through this. It's like an anxiety\/panic attack thing when your brain starts some serious rewiring. Your existing safe assumptions become threatened and you feel loss of control.  It's very normal. Just keep at it and put those thoughts aside.","human_ref_B":"I'm an ME, and i certainly found myself thinking that.  I don't believe it anymore, now that I have a degree sitting in a drawer in my room.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":30725.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"tlodg","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"To professional (especially chemical) engineers: was there ever a time in college where you felt like you weren't smart enough to be an engineer? To those who have completed their engineering degree and are working as an engineer, was there ever a time when you thought you weren't smart enough to \"make it\"?   I'm starting my junior year at college in chemical engineering, and I feel sometimes like I'm just not smart enough to finish my degree. Is it true that once you get through the math and organic chemistry, the rest is a lot better? I'm honestly worried sometimes that I just won't be able to pass the upper level classes and complete my degree because my peers don't seem to have to work nearly as hard as I do. I'm seeing people breeze through classes that I've struggled with and I know I'm smart, but I'm starting to think that you have to be really, really very smart to actually be good enough.   Is it just a dedication thing? When did you know that you could do this? Thanks, Reddit.   I guess I should specify that I feel like I'm smart enough to complete all the \"lower level\" courses, but I feel like it is just going to keep getting harder and I don't know how much more I can make this work before I won't be smart enough to keep going. Does that make sense?","c_root_id_A":"c4nzgra","c_root_id_B":"c4nv9sl","created_at_utc_A":1337025424,"created_at_utc_B":1337006332,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I'm an ME, and i certainly found myself thinking that.  I don't believe it anymore, now that I have a degree sitting in a drawer in my room.","human_ref_B":"Students need to be aware that things do ratchet up a bit in the second year.  The people who really couldn't take it either dropped out or switched to something else, so the pace can be faster. I am not saying you can't manage it, just brace yourself for more work.  On the other hand you don't still have to face some of the difficulties of the first year -- just the plain mechanics of living  often occupy most of a student's first few months, and getting used to not being one of the cleverest in the class as you were in school, and having to actually really work at understanding stuff. That doesn't mean you are dumb, it means you are in the right place for bright people.  One of the useful things you can do over the summer is to read up on study skills. You may think you know all that but you undoubtedly don't, and if you always easily came top at school, you may actually know less about study techniques than your classmates who were working harder.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":19092.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"tlodg","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"To professional (especially chemical) engineers: was there ever a time in college where you felt like you weren't smart enough to be an engineer? To those who have completed their engineering degree and are working as an engineer, was there ever a time when you thought you weren't smart enough to \"make it\"?   I'm starting my junior year at college in chemical engineering, and I feel sometimes like I'm just not smart enough to finish my degree. Is it true that once you get through the math and organic chemistry, the rest is a lot better? I'm honestly worried sometimes that I just won't be able to pass the upper level classes and complete my degree because my peers don't seem to have to work nearly as hard as I do. I'm seeing people breeze through classes that I've struggled with and I know I'm smart, but I'm starting to think that you have to be really, really very smart to actually be good enough.   Is it just a dedication thing? When did you know that you could do this? Thanks, Reddit.   I guess I should specify that I feel like I'm smart enough to complete all the \"lower level\" courses, but I feel like it is just going to keep getting harder and I don't know how much more I can make this work before I won't be smart enough to keep going. Does that make sense?","c_root_id_A":"c4nx4un","c_root_id_B":"c4nzgra","created_at_utc_A":1337015202,"created_at_utc_B":1337025424,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Not a professional engineer, but I'm in the same position as you. I don't really know the equivalent to the American schooling system, but I'm in the UK at what WE call college (Which to you, I think is like, the last 2 years of high school?) And I'm doing Electronical Engineering and Maths (Along with Music & Music Tech, but they're irrelevant), and I really just feel that it's all going way above my head, I don't really feel like I understand anything. I'd love to be an engineer, but I'm really not sure if I have the brain for it.","human_ref_B":"I'm an ME, and i certainly found myself thinking that.  I don't believe it anymore, now that I have a degree sitting in a drawer in my room.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10222.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"55cik3","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Thick walled cylinder shrunk onto a rotating solid shaft I'm working a project where the slip rings on an large generator are to be skimmed in order to extend the machines life. In trying to calculate the amount of material that can be taken off before the hoop stresses become too large.  So while stationary an existing radial pressure exists on the inner diameter of a thick walled cylinder, resulting in hoop stress. When the shaft and cylinder start to rotate, the radial pressure from the interference fit is reduced as the cylinder inner diameter increases due CF forces.   However using a reduced radial pressure in lames thick walled cylinder equations(adjusted to account for rotation)results in a smaller hoop stress which I'm sure is not the case as the tension in the hoop is getting ever larger as the cylinder expands?  Does anyone themselves know about this topic or know a quality source that can be used?","c_root_id_A":"d89nzm9","c_root_id_B":"d89ig6r","created_at_utc_A":1475337724,"created_at_utc_B":1475327050,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Why does the cylinder ID increase from centrifugal force? I'd expect the centrifugal effects to be tiny compared to the stress from the fit.","human_ref_B":"The mechanics of engineering materials, by P.P. Benham. We used this textbook in our structural mechanics class and it's section on thick walled cylinder theory was great","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10674.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"55cik3","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Thick walled cylinder shrunk onto a rotating solid shaft I'm working a project where the slip rings on an large generator are to be skimmed in order to extend the machines life. In trying to calculate the amount of material that can be taken off before the hoop stresses become too large.  So while stationary an existing radial pressure exists on the inner diameter of a thick walled cylinder, resulting in hoop stress. When the shaft and cylinder start to rotate, the radial pressure from the interference fit is reduced as the cylinder inner diameter increases due CF forces.   However using a reduced radial pressure in lames thick walled cylinder equations(adjusted to account for rotation)results in a smaller hoop stress which I'm sure is not the case as the tension in the hoop is getting ever larger as the cylinder expands?  Does anyone themselves know about this topic or know a quality source that can be used?","c_root_id_A":"d89nzm9","c_root_id_B":"d89mji4","created_at_utc_A":1475337724,"created_at_utc_B":1475335342,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Why does the cylinder ID increase from centrifugal force? I'd expect the centrifugal effects to be tiny compared to the stress from the fit.","human_ref_B":"It might cheaper to just put new slip rings on. It saves trucking the rotor to a really big lathe or bringing an in-situe company out. You know, split the old ones with a grinder and shrink the new ones on. No special tools required.  I don't know if their would be anything that would prevent this, possibly insulation underneath the slip ring. I haven't worked on a slip ring generator yet.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2382.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"zg6sen","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Why does my car audio system play a \"clap\" sound when I clap my hands while playing silent audio at high volume? I had a super weird experience yesterday and I'm trying to figure out what happened.  I played a song called 4'33\" in my friend's car. It's a recording of a silent audience in a concert hall. I turned the volume up pretty high so we could hear all the small noises from the audience.  I was explaining how this song is played in front of audiences sometimes and then everyone will clap when it's done. I started applauding when explained this and then heard clapping sounds coming from the recording but I knew it didn't have any. Anytime I would clap my hands, the audio system would also play a clap sound a moment later.  My friend thought I was messing with her but I assured her I wasn't. I tried making other loud noises but it didn't copy those. The clapping sound was the only sound this happened with.  I told her it probably had to do with the car's amplifier being turned up so high which was causing some kind of weird feedback within the audio system with loud high-frequency sounds like those from a clap. The music was being played from an iPhone connected to the car via a series of cables connected together (a mix of Apple Lightning and Apple 30-pin cables). I thought the clapping might be interacting with the janky cable setup somehow but I'm not sure if this is the case as they carry a digital rather than analog signal (although I don't know how this works).  It might be interacting directly with the car's audio system somehow but again, I don't really know how this all works. I did some electronics and signal processing courses in university but not enough to know exactly what was causing this.  I'm super curious why this happened though and would love an explanation! I didn't have time to isolate what part of the system was causing this (e.g. determining if this happened only with the phone playing music or with any quiet audio played on the audio system) but I hope this gives enough info.","c_root_id_A":"izgbgjq","c_root_id_B":"izgi7ry","created_at_utc_A":1670537375,"created_at_utc_B":1670540196,"score_A":15,"score_B":16,"human_ref_A":"it's important to rule out a few others things. #1 does this happen when no audio is playing #2 does this happen when no audio is playing regardless of volume? #3 what make and model\/ audio system do you have. #4 if you can make this repeatable, is it possible to cover up the microphones and change the effect?","human_ref_B":"Some car sound systems have a function to make talking between front and rear seats better.  https:\/\/www.carscoops.com\/2019\/01\/harman-finds-clever-ways-improve-car-conversations\/","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2821.0,"score_ratio":1.0666666667}
{"post_id":"zg6sen","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Why does my car audio system play a \"clap\" sound when I clap my hands while playing silent audio at high volume? I had a super weird experience yesterday and I'm trying to figure out what happened.  I played a song called 4'33\" in my friend's car. It's a recording of a silent audience in a concert hall. I turned the volume up pretty high so we could hear all the small noises from the audience.  I was explaining how this song is played in front of audiences sometimes and then everyone will clap when it's done. I started applauding when explained this and then heard clapping sounds coming from the recording but I knew it didn't have any. Anytime I would clap my hands, the audio system would also play a clap sound a moment later.  My friend thought I was messing with her but I assured her I wasn't. I tried making other loud noises but it didn't copy those. The clapping sound was the only sound this happened with.  I told her it probably had to do with the car's amplifier being turned up so high which was causing some kind of weird feedback within the audio system with loud high-frequency sounds like those from a clap. The music was being played from an iPhone connected to the car via a series of cables connected together (a mix of Apple Lightning and Apple 30-pin cables). I thought the clapping might be interacting with the janky cable setup somehow but I'm not sure if this is the case as they carry a digital rather than analog signal (although I don't know how this works).  It might be interacting directly with the car's audio system somehow but again, I don't really know how this all works. I did some electronics and signal processing courses in university but not enough to know exactly what was causing this.  I'm super curious why this happened though and would love an explanation! I didn't have time to isolate what part of the system was causing this (e.g. determining if this happened only with the phone playing music or with any quiet audio played on the audio system) but I hope this gives enough info.","c_root_id_A":"izg16sk","c_root_id_B":"izgbgjq","created_at_utc_A":1670533267,"created_at_utc_B":1670537375,"score_A":12,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"I would not rule out crosstalk within the amplifier. When you clap it will send an electrical signal through the microphone, and the speakers will also pick it up and backfeed into the amplifier. It's not unreasonable for the amplifier to feed one of those signals back to the input and play it back, especially when it's cranked up enough that you can hear all the internal noise.","human_ref_B":"it's important to rule out a few others things. #1 does this happen when no audio is playing #2 does this happen when no audio is playing regardless of volume? #3 what make and model\/ audio system do you have. #4 if you can make this repeatable, is it possible to cover up the microphones and change the effect?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4108.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"zg6sen","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Why does my car audio system play a \"clap\" sound when I clap my hands while playing silent audio at high volume? I had a super weird experience yesterday and I'm trying to figure out what happened.  I played a song called 4'33\" in my friend's car. It's a recording of a silent audience in a concert hall. I turned the volume up pretty high so we could hear all the small noises from the audience.  I was explaining how this song is played in front of audiences sometimes and then everyone will clap when it's done. I started applauding when explained this and then heard clapping sounds coming from the recording but I knew it didn't have any. Anytime I would clap my hands, the audio system would also play a clap sound a moment later.  My friend thought I was messing with her but I assured her I wasn't. I tried making other loud noises but it didn't copy those. The clapping sound was the only sound this happened with.  I told her it probably had to do with the car's amplifier being turned up so high which was causing some kind of weird feedback within the audio system with loud high-frequency sounds like those from a clap. The music was being played from an iPhone connected to the car via a series of cables connected together (a mix of Apple Lightning and Apple 30-pin cables). I thought the clapping might be interacting with the janky cable setup somehow but I'm not sure if this is the case as they carry a digital rather than analog signal (although I don't know how this works).  It might be interacting directly with the car's audio system somehow but again, I don't really know how this all works. I did some electronics and signal processing courses in university but not enough to know exactly what was causing this.  I'm super curious why this happened though and would love an explanation! I didn't have time to isolate what part of the system was causing this (e.g. determining if this happened only with the phone playing music or with any quiet audio played on the audio system) but I hope this gives enough info.","c_root_id_A":"izgi7ry","c_root_id_B":"izg16sk","created_at_utc_A":1670540196,"created_at_utc_B":1670533267,"score_A":16,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"Some car sound systems have a function to make talking between front and rear seats better.  https:\/\/www.carscoops.com\/2019\/01\/harman-finds-clever-ways-improve-car-conversations\/","human_ref_B":"I would not rule out crosstalk within the amplifier. When you clap it will send an electrical signal through the microphone, and the speakers will also pick it up and backfeed into the amplifier. It's not unreasonable for the amplifier to feed one of those signals back to the input and play it back, especially when it's cranked up enough that you can hear all the internal noise.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6929.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"zg6sen","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Why does my car audio system play a \"clap\" sound when I clap my hands while playing silent audio at high volume? I had a super weird experience yesterday and I'm trying to figure out what happened.  I played a song called 4'33\" in my friend's car. It's a recording of a silent audience in a concert hall. I turned the volume up pretty high so we could hear all the small noises from the audience.  I was explaining how this song is played in front of audiences sometimes and then everyone will clap when it's done. I started applauding when explained this and then heard clapping sounds coming from the recording but I knew it didn't have any. Anytime I would clap my hands, the audio system would also play a clap sound a moment later.  My friend thought I was messing with her but I assured her I wasn't. I tried making other loud noises but it didn't copy those. The clapping sound was the only sound this happened with.  I told her it probably had to do with the car's amplifier being turned up so high which was causing some kind of weird feedback within the audio system with loud high-frequency sounds like those from a clap. The music was being played from an iPhone connected to the car via a series of cables connected together (a mix of Apple Lightning and Apple 30-pin cables). I thought the clapping might be interacting with the janky cable setup somehow but I'm not sure if this is the case as they carry a digital rather than analog signal (although I don't know how this works).  It might be interacting directly with the car's audio system somehow but again, I don't really know how this all works. I did some electronics and signal processing courses in university but not enough to know exactly what was causing this.  I'm super curious why this happened though and would love an explanation! I didn't have time to isolate what part of the system was causing this (e.g. determining if this happened only with the phone playing music or with any quiet audio played on the audio system) but I hope this gives enough info.","c_root_id_A":"izgqq14","c_root_id_B":"izi6oeb","created_at_utc_A":1670543910,"created_at_utc_B":1670571888,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Was it playing through an aux cable with the source sitting somewhere that could move when you clapped? Your motion could've jostled the audio jack enough to cause a crackle that sounded like a clap.","human_ref_B":"Idk but I had a 91 Ford Laser Telstar that when I raised my left hand to head height would cause the radio to have static interference. No idea why, I don\u2019t have any metal in my body but the antenna was above the drivers side door I think.  Drove my friends nuts, they thought I knew the secret to it or had installed a switch they couldn\u2019t see to make it happen lol.  My guess is that there was ghost in the antenna or radio.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":27978.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"zg6sen","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Why does my car audio system play a \"clap\" sound when I clap my hands while playing silent audio at high volume? I had a super weird experience yesterday and I'm trying to figure out what happened.  I played a song called 4'33\" in my friend's car. It's a recording of a silent audience in a concert hall. I turned the volume up pretty high so we could hear all the small noises from the audience.  I was explaining how this song is played in front of audiences sometimes and then everyone will clap when it's done. I started applauding when explained this and then heard clapping sounds coming from the recording but I knew it didn't have any. Anytime I would clap my hands, the audio system would also play a clap sound a moment later.  My friend thought I was messing with her but I assured her I wasn't. I tried making other loud noises but it didn't copy those. The clapping sound was the only sound this happened with.  I told her it probably had to do with the car's amplifier being turned up so high which was causing some kind of weird feedback within the audio system with loud high-frequency sounds like those from a clap. The music was being played from an iPhone connected to the car via a series of cables connected together (a mix of Apple Lightning and Apple 30-pin cables). I thought the clapping might be interacting with the janky cable setup somehow but I'm not sure if this is the case as they carry a digital rather than analog signal (although I don't know how this works).  It might be interacting directly with the car's audio system somehow but again, I don't really know how this all works. I did some electronics and signal processing courses in university but not enough to know exactly what was causing this.  I'm super curious why this happened though and would love an explanation! I didn't have time to isolate what part of the system was causing this (e.g. determining if this happened only with the phone playing music or with any quiet audio played on the audio system) but I hope this gives enough info.","c_root_id_A":"izh7ie1","c_root_id_B":"izi6oeb","created_at_utc_A":1670551742,"created_at_utc_B":1670571888,"score_A":2,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Whats the duration of the \"moments later\" from your claps?","human_ref_B":"Idk but I had a 91 Ford Laser Telstar that when I raised my left hand to head height would cause the radio to have static interference. No idea why, I don\u2019t have any metal in my body but the antenna was above the drivers side door I think.  Drove my friends nuts, they thought I knew the secret to it or had installed a switch they couldn\u2019t see to make it happen lol.  My guess is that there was ghost in the antenna or radio.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":20146.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"qrtmqp","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"What is the weirdest or most interesting backstory of a unit that you know of? I was reminded in another thread that \u2018tons\u2019 of cooling is a measure of the weight of ice that can be melted in 24 hours. It had me wondering if there are other interesting ones out there.","c_root_id_A":"hk8tjhr","c_root_id_B":"hk8tij3","created_at_utc_A":1636661831,"created_at_utc_B":1636661820,"score_A":24,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"There are some oddballs in nuclear physics that arose from the simultaneously secretive and revolutionary nature of the Manhattan project. Their innate definitions aren't odd, but the names and backstories are neat. They were making strides in nuclear physics and needed new units, but they wanted to also obfuscate what they were doing for secrecy reasons.  Shake: 1E-08 seconds. Unit of convenience when discussing nuclear reactions. Roughly equal to the step time in a fission chain reaction. Derived from the expression \"two shakes of a lamb's tail.\"  Barn: 1E-28 m^2 . Unit measure of the probability of interaction between small particles. Developed while experimenting with having radiation strike the nuclei of target material. Roughly equal to the projected cross-sectional area of a nuclei. Derived from the expression \"couldn't hit the broad side of a barn.\"","human_ref_B":"The crab is defined as the intensity of X-rays emitted from the Crab Nebula at a given photon energy up to 30 kiloelectronvolts. The Crab Nebula is often used for calibration of X-ray telescopes. For measuring the X-ray intensity of a less energetic source, the milliCrab (mCrab) may be used.  One crab is approximately 24 pW\/m2.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":11.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"qrtmqp","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"What is the weirdest or most interesting backstory of a unit that you know of? I was reminded in another thread that \u2018tons\u2019 of cooling is a measure of the weight of ice that can be melted in 24 hours. It had me wondering if there are other interesting ones out there.","c_root_id_A":"hk8tij3","c_root_id_B":"hk9a5az","created_at_utc_A":1636661820,"created_at_utc_B":1636668702,"score_A":12,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"The crab is defined as the intensity of X-rays emitted from the Crab Nebula at a given photon energy up to 30 kiloelectronvolts. The Crab Nebula is often used for calibration of X-ray telescopes. For measuring the X-ray intensity of a less energetic source, the milliCrab (mCrab) may be used.  One crab is approximately 24 pW\/m2.","human_ref_B":"Not really sure of the interesting backstories, but I always like the progression of derivatives of position over time.  * Velocity  * Acceleration * Jerk * Snap * Crackle * Pop * Lock * Drop  You can see those are pretty fun. Cereal and Music have helped us named derivatives!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6882.0,"score_ratio":1.1666666667}
{"post_id":"qrtmqp","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"What is the weirdest or most interesting backstory of a unit that you know of? I was reminded in another thread that \u2018tons\u2019 of cooling is a measure of the weight of ice that can be melted in 24 hours. It had me wondering if there are other interesting ones out there.","c_root_id_A":"hk91aoi","c_root_id_B":"hk9a5az","created_at_utc_A":1636665020,"created_at_utc_B":1636668702,"score_A":7,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"It is not exactly the history of the unit itself, but the history of why train tracks have a specific gauge.   It\u2019s a long read, but very funny: https:\/\/aviationhumor.net\/the-us-standard-railroad-gauge-is-4-feet-8-5-inches\/","human_ref_B":"Not really sure of the interesting backstories, but I always like the progression of derivatives of position over time.  * Velocity  * Acceleration * Jerk * Snap * Crackle * Pop * Lock * Drop  You can see those are pretty fun. Cereal and Music have helped us named derivatives!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3682.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"qrtmqp","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"What is the weirdest or most interesting backstory of a unit that you know of? I was reminded in another thread that \u2018tons\u2019 of cooling is a measure of the weight of ice that can be melted in 24 hours. It had me wondering if there are other interesting ones out there.","c_root_id_A":"hkadt8f","c_root_id_B":"hk91aoi","created_at_utc_A":1636687209,"created_at_utc_B":1636665020,"score_A":9,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"I'm probably going to screw this up, but going from memory....  The mile is actually something the metric boys would love.  First off, it's a misspelling.  Originally it was the \"mille\" which is Italian for 1,000.  Yup!  Just like the kilometer, the mile was originally 1,000 of something.  Of what?  Steps (defined as each time a given foot hit the ground; not ANY foot).  All those roads that led to Rome?  Yeah, they had mille markers.  One thousand steps... A useful thing to know when you're marching armies all over Europe.  So the Romans put in roads and signs around England, the mille was well known and it was roughly 5,000 feet.    At the same time, England had all their property deeds and such defined by furlongs.  Eventually the Romans left.  Everybody liked having all the mille markers but someone also realized that it would be nice if the furlong and the mille were related to each other in some clean manner.  The furlong was roughly 1\/8 of a mille, but not exactly.  Redefining the furlong to be 1\/8 of a mille meant redoing all the property deeds.  Redefining the mile to be 8 furlongs?  That was a lot simpler.  All it took was redoing a comparatively few road signs and nobody was going to get too pissed if they weren't done exactly right (unlike property deeds).  So the mile got defined as 8 furlongs and THAT is why it's 5,280 feet.  As for why the furlong was 660 feet, you'll have to ask someone else.","human_ref_B":"It is not exactly the history of the unit itself, but the history of why train tracks have a specific gauge.   It\u2019s a long read, but very funny: https:\/\/aviationhumor.net\/the-us-standard-railroad-gauge-is-4-feet-8-5-inches\/","labels":1,"seconds_difference":22189.0,"score_ratio":1.2857142857}
{"post_id":"qrtmqp","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"What is the weirdest or most interesting backstory of a unit that you know of? I was reminded in another thread that \u2018tons\u2019 of cooling is a measure of the weight of ice that can be melted in 24 hours. It had me wondering if there are other interesting ones out there.","c_root_id_A":"hka8z0k","c_root_id_B":"hkadt8f","created_at_utc_A":1636684939,"created_at_utc_B":1636687209,"score_A":2,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Obviously smoot is a fun one  In aerospace, we have degrees Rankine. It's an absolute temperature scale based off of Fahrenheit, which I've never heard of. 0\u00b0 R = -461\u00b0F = 0 K = -273\u00b0C. It occasionally becomes useful. Similarly, there's the slug which is a mass unit equal to 32.2 lbm. It's useful in some oddball calcs, like 1 lbf acting on 1 slug gives an acceleration of 1 fps\u00b2.   I guess another aerospace curiosity is that we use nautical units for distance and speed (nautical miles and knots) but we don't use port\/starboard. I am not sure if that's universal or is just relevant to the part of the industry I work in, but we'd never say \"the starboard wing\". Seems like a lot of books and movies have extreme nautical terminology in aerospace but I haven't seen it anywhere other than nmi\/kts.  Then of course there's the jiffy, which I believe is a time unit that is the inverse of the frequency of your system of interest. I.e. for 60 Hz AC a jiffy is 1\/60th of a second, for a computer a jiffy is one interval of the CPU clock speed.","human_ref_B":"I'm probably going to screw this up, but going from memory....  The mile is actually something the metric boys would love.  First off, it's a misspelling.  Originally it was the \"mille\" which is Italian for 1,000.  Yup!  Just like the kilometer, the mile was originally 1,000 of something.  Of what?  Steps (defined as each time a given foot hit the ground; not ANY foot).  All those roads that led to Rome?  Yeah, they had mille markers.  One thousand steps... A useful thing to know when you're marching armies all over Europe.  So the Romans put in roads and signs around England, the mille was well known and it was roughly 5,000 feet.    At the same time, England had all their property deeds and such defined by furlongs.  Eventually the Romans left.  Everybody liked having all the mille markers but someone also realized that it would be nice if the furlong and the mille were related to each other in some clean manner.  The furlong was roughly 1\/8 of a mille, but not exactly.  Redefining the furlong to be 1\/8 of a mille meant redoing all the property deeds.  Redefining the mile to be 8 furlongs?  That was a lot simpler.  All it took was redoing a comparatively few road signs and nobody was going to get too pissed if they weren't done exactly right (unlike property deeds).  So the mile got defined as 8 furlongs and THAT is why it's 5,280 feet.  As for why the furlong was 660 feet, you'll have to ask someone else.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2270.0,"score_ratio":4.5}
{"post_id":"qrtmqp","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"What is the weirdest or most interesting backstory of a unit that you know of? I was reminded in another thread that \u2018tons\u2019 of cooling is a measure of the weight of ice that can be melted in 24 hours. It had me wondering if there are other interesting ones out there.","c_root_id_A":"hkabj12","c_root_id_B":"hkadt8f","created_at_utc_A":1636686130,"created_at_utc_B":1636687209,"score_A":2,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Heh\u2026  https:\/\/en.m.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/List_of_humorous_units_of_measurement","human_ref_B":"I'm probably going to screw this up, but going from memory....  The mile is actually something the metric boys would love.  First off, it's a misspelling.  Originally it was the \"mille\" which is Italian for 1,000.  Yup!  Just like the kilometer, the mile was originally 1,000 of something.  Of what?  Steps (defined as each time a given foot hit the ground; not ANY foot).  All those roads that led to Rome?  Yeah, they had mille markers.  One thousand steps... A useful thing to know when you're marching armies all over Europe.  So the Romans put in roads and signs around England, the mille was well known and it was roughly 5,000 feet.    At the same time, England had all their property deeds and such defined by furlongs.  Eventually the Romans left.  Everybody liked having all the mille markers but someone also realized that it would be nice if the furlong and the mille were related to each other in some clean manner.  The furlong was roughly 1\/8 of a mille, but not exactly.  Redefining the furlong to be 1\/8 of a mille meant redoing all the property deeds.  Redefining the mile to be 8 furlongs?  That was a lot simpler.  All it took was redoing a comparatively few road signs and nobody was going to get too pissed if they weren't done exactly right (unlike property deeds).  So the mile got defined as 8 furlongs and THAT is why it's 5,280 feet.  As for why the furlong was 660 feet, you'll have to ask someone else.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1079.0,"score_ratio":4.5}
{"post_id":"qrtmqp","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"What is the weirdest or most interesting backstory of a unit that you know of? I was reminded in another thread that \u2018tons\u2019 of cooling is a measure of the weight of ice that can be melted in 24 hours. It had me wondering if there are other interesting ones out there.","c_root_id_A":"hka8z0k","c_root_id_B":"hkany1o","created_at_utc_A":1636684939,"created_at_utc_B":1636692175,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Obviously smoot is a fun one  In aerospace, we have degrees Rankine. It's an absolute temperature scale based off of Fahrenheit, which I've never heard of. 0\u00b0 R = -461\u00b0F = 0 K = -273\u00b0C. It occasionally becomes useful. Similarly, there's the slug which is a mass unit equal to 32.2 lbm. It's useful in some oddball calcs, like 1 lbf acting on 1 slug gives an acceleration of 1 fps\u00b2.   I guess another aerospace curiosity is that we use nautical units for distance and speed (nautical miles and knots) but we don't use port\/starboard. I am not sure if that's universal or is just relevant to the part of the industry I work in, but we'd never say \"the starboard wing\". Seems like a lot of books and movies have extreme nautical terminology in aerospace but I haven't seen it anywhere other than nmi\/kts.  Then of course there's the jiffy, which I believe is a time unit that is the inverse of the frequency of your system of interest. I.e. for 60 Hz AC a jiffy is 1\/60th of a second, for a computer a jiffy is one interval of the CPU clock speed.","human_ref_B":"Within Google, costs are converted to \u201cSWE\u201d, which is the cost of a engineer. Think of it as having the same dimensions as $\/year.   Most costs can be, and often are, measured this way. A system which uses, say, 2,000 CPUs, might cost \u201c2 SWE\u201d in CPU. A job which takes 100,000 CPU hour might be described as costing \u201c40 SWE hours\u201d. Numbers here are made up, I don\u2019t know them. There are conversion factors between SWE and CPU, RAM, and storage, among others.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7236.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"qrtmqp","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"What is the weirdest or most interesting backstory of a unit that you know of? I was reminded in another thread that \u2018tons\u2019 of cooling is a measure of the weight of ice that can be melted in 24 hours. It had me wondering if there are other interesting ones out there.","c_root_id_A":"hkabj12","c_root_id_B":"hkany1o","created_at_utc_A":1636686130,"created_at_utc_B":1636692175,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Heh\u2026  https:\/\/en.m.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/List_of_humorous_units_of_measurement","human_ref_B":"Within Google, costs are converted to \u201cSWE\u201d, which is the cost of a engineer. Think of it as having the same dimensions as $\/year.   Most costs can be, and often are, measured this way. A system which uses, say, 2,000 CPUs, might cost \u201c2 SWE\u201d in CPU. A job which takes 100,000 CPU hour might be described as costing \u201c40 SWE hours\u201d. Numbers here are made up, I don\u2019t know them. There are conversion factors between SWE and CPU, RAM, and storage, among others.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6045.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"cm7os5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"I'm curious about digital display(monitors, TVs, phones, etc) engineering. What type of degree does it involve and what would the work look like?","c_root_id_A":"ew0u2sh","c_root_id_B":"ew0juc9","created_at_utc_A":1565006109,"created_at_utc_B":1564992469,"score_A":5,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"For the display itself, I believe there are all kinds of engineering involved. The base material, liquid crystal or LED part may need chemical, or material, or even physics background. Then you need electrical \/ electronic \/ computer engineering for the electrical signal to control and show picture on it. And you need mecahnical engineers to assemble the display panel and the circuit boards in a housing for the final product, make sure it is structural sound, does not bend etc. These are the degrees that I can think of for \"design engineers\" aka engineers creating the product. For design engineers I believe the work is half office work and half experimenting in the lab.   The above is only for the display. You mentioned a phone. A phone is not only a display, but a display plus a computer and communication device. Design engineers comprises mostly electrical and mechanical background plus computer science for software engineers.","human_ref_B":"Electronics and computer science.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":13640.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"cm7os5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"I'm curious about digital display(monitors, TVs, phones, etc) engineering. What type of degree does it involve and what would the work look like?","c_root_id_A":"ew0qpwz","c_root_id_B":"ew0u2sh","created_at_utc_A":1565002242,"created_at_utc_B":1565006109,"score_A":4,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"While I\u2019d somewhat agree with the mentions of EE, I\u2019d look into the development of OLEDs. I think that may be more of a materials science issue. More flexible screens and more efficient illumination are likely more challenging problems than the electronics.","human_ref_B":"For the display itself, I believe there are all kinds of engineering involved. The base material, liquid crystal or LED part may need chemical, or material, or even physics background. Then you need electrical \/ electronic \/ computer engineering for the electrical signal to control and show picture on it. And you need mecahnical engineers to assemble the display panel and the circuit boards in a housing for the final product, make sure it is structural sound, does not bend etc. These are the degrees that I can think of for \"design engineers\" aka engineers creating the product. For design engineers I believe the work is half office work and half experimenting in the lab.   The above is only for the display. You mentioned a phone. A phone is not only a display, but a display plus a computer and communication device. Design engineers comprises mostly electrical and mechanical background plus computer science for software engineers.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3867.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"cm7os5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"I'm curious about digital display(monitors, TVs, phones, etc) engineering. What type of degree does it involve and what would the work look like?","c_root_id_A":"ew0r0sb","c_root_id_B":"ew0u2sh","created_at_utc_A":1565002625,"created_at_utc_B":1565006109,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"I work for a company that develops assorted films that are used in making TVs, and other display devices. Most of my colleagues have chemical engineering backgrounds.","human_ref_B":"For the display itself, I believe there are all kinds of engineering involved. The base material, liquid crystal or LED part may need chemical, or material, or even physics background. Then you need electrical \/ electronic \/ computer engineering for the electrical signal to control and show picture on it. And you need mecahnical engineers to assemble the display panel and the circuit boards in a housing for the final product, make sure it is structural sound, does not bend etc. These are the degrees that I can think of for \"design engineers\" aka engineers creating the product. For design engineers I believe the work is half office work and half experimenting in the lab.   The above is only for the display. You mentioned a phone. A phone is not only a display, but a display plus a computer and communication device. Design engineers comprises mostly electrical and mechanical background plus computer science for software engineers.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3484.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"cm7os5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"I'm curious about digital display(monitors, TVs, phones, etc) engineering. What type of degree does it involve and what would the work look like?","c_root_id_A":"ew0ks1r","c_root_id_B":"ew0u2sh","created_at_utc_A":1564993808,"created_at_utc_B":1565006109,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Electronic engineering, maybe specialising in RF.","human_ref_B":"For the display itself, I believe there are all kinds of engineering involved. The base material, liquid crystal or LED part may need chemical, or material, or even physics background. Then you need electrical \/ electronic \/ computer engineering for the electrical signal to control and show picture on it. And you need mecahnical engineers to assemble the display panel and the circuit boards in a housing for the final product, make sure it is structural sound, does not bend etc. These are the degrees that I can think of for \"design engineers\" aka engineers creating the product. For design engineers I believe the work is half office work and half experimenting in the lab.   The above is only for the display. You mentioned a phone. A phone is not only a display, but a display plus a computer and communication device. Design engineers comprises mostly electrical and mechanical background plus computer science for software engineers.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":12301.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"cm7os5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"I'm curious about digital display(monitors, TVs, phones, etc) engineering. What type of degree does it involve and what would the work look like?","c_root_id_A":"ew0u2sh","c_root_id_B":"ew0r9zr","created_at_utc_A":1565006109,"created_at_utc_B":1565002942,"score_A":5,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"For the display itself, I believe there are all kinds of engineering involved. The base material, liquid crystal or LED part may need chemical, or material, or even physics background. Then you need electrical \/ electronic \/ computer engineering for the electrical signal to control and show picture on it. And you need mecahnical engineers to assemble the display panel and the circuit boards in a housing for the final product, make sure it is structural sound, does not bend etc. These are the degrees that I can think of for \"design engineers\" aka engineers creating the product. For design engineers I believe the work is half office work and half experimenting in the lab.   The above is only for the display. You mentioned a phone. A phone is not only a display, but a display plus a computer and communication device. Design engineers comprises mostly electrical and mechanical background plus computer science for software engineers.","human_ref_B":"I can't answer the 'work' side of things, but the degree depends on which part of the system you're most interested in.  Regardless, it's going to be some subset of Electrical Engineering. If you're more interested in getting things to display on the screen (rather than solely designing the hardware on the screen), then you're probably more interested in 'Embedded Systems Design' (which falls under Computer Engineering at my school.)  Hope you get some more detailed answers!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3167.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"cm7os5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"I'm curious about digital display(monitors, TVs, phones, etc) engineering. What type of degree does it involve and what would the work look like?","c_root_id_A":"ew0ks1r","c_root_id_B":"ew0qpwz","created_at_utc_A":1564993808,"created_at_utc_B":1565002242,"score_A":2,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Electronic engineering, maybe specialising in RF.","human_ref_B":"While I\u2019d somewhat agree with the mentions of EE, I\u2019d look into the development of OLEDs. I think that may be more of a materials science issue. More flexible screens and more efficient illumination are likely more challenging problems than the electronics.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8434.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"cm7os5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"I'm curious about digital display(monitors, TVs, phones, etc) engineering. What type of degree does it involve and what would the work look like?","c_root_id_A":"ew0ks1r","c_root_id_B":"ew0r0sb","created_at_utc_A":1564993808,"created_at_utc_B":1565002625,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Electronic engineering, maybe specialising in RF.","human_ref_B":"I work for a company that develops assorted films that are used in making TVs, and other display devices. Most of my colleagues have chemical engineering backgrounds.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8817.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"1xbocz","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"Senior Engineers: How many of you are still in technical roles? I've just started a graduate engineering job in an organisation that mainly deals with \"systems engineering\". For the most part, this involves procuring equipment from contractors. The job pays well and I get exposure to a lot of cool gear but I likely won't get to do any real design work. The most technical it'll get is acceptance testing.  I'm just wondering how long the senior engineers around here were in technical\/design roles before moving into more executive\/high level roles like project management? I feel like I'm missing a step in my career and thought maybe you guys might be able to give some perspective.  Oh, and also, I majored in mechatronics if that's useful at all.","c_root_id_A":"cfa0ejk","c_root_id_B":"cfa0dt8","created_at_utc_A":1391838543,"created_at_utc_B":1391838474,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"If you want technical work leave that job while you still can.   Take a pay cut and leave the state of necessary (that's what I had to do to get out of SE). Get a job in structures or EE if that's what you 're interested in.   It is very difficult to change specialties after your first couple of years.","human_ref_B":"Sr RF Eng - all design, all the time. Same with my boss as well. Does not become non-technical until you get to his boss.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":69.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"1xbocz","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"Senior Engineers: How many of you are still in technical roles? I've just started a graduate engineering job in an organisation that mainly deals with \"systems engineering\". For the most part, this involves procuring equipment from contractors. The job pays well and I get exposure to a lot of cool gear but I likely won't get to do any real design work. The most technical it'll get is acceptance testing.  I'm just wondering how long the senior engineers around here were in technical\/design roles before moving into more executive\/high level roles like project management? I feel like I'm missing a step in my career and thought maybe you guys might be able to give some perspective.  Oh, and also, I majored in mechatronics if that's useful at all.","c_root_id_A":"cfa0dt8","c_root_id_B":"cfa6943","created_at_utc_A":1391838474,"created_at_utc_B":1391869538,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Sr RF Eng - all design, all the time. Same with my boss as well. Does not become non-technical until you get to his boss.","human_ref_B":"20 years still all technical. I refuse advancement. I'm in the government though so the pay is about as good as management. I would rather work overtime to make up the difference than sit through TPS report meetings.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":31064.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"erd793","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"If you were quitting in a year or two, what would you do? I've been with my employer for 5 years and am pretty happy. However, my wife will be finishing up med school and applying to residencies next year. We expect to move around 18 months from now.  Knowing that, what would you do at your current workplace to set yourself up for future success at another company? I won't have any clue where we will end up until sometime in 2021.","c_root_id_A":"ff30xet","c_root_id_B":"ff2y0uk","created_at_utc_A":1579530728,"created_at_utc_B":1579528240,"score_A":29,"score_B":25,"human_ref_A":"Ask for a raise, now.      Prepare for a transition by getting everything in order, but keep working like nothing has changed.","human_ref_B":"Yea man, there\u2019s no loyalty in corporate America. Don\u2019t think just because you have a conscience, a business cares about anything but their bottom line","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2488.0,"score_ratio":1.16}
{"post_id":"erd793","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"If you were quitting in a year or two, what would you do? I've been with my employer for 5 years and am pretty happy. However, my wife will be finishing up med school and applying to residencies next year. We expect to move around 18 months from now.  Knowing that, what would you do at your current workplace to set yourself up for future success at another company? I won't have any clue where we will end up until sometime in 2021.","c_root_id_A":"ff40i79","c_root_id_B":"ff3x3bz","created_at_utc_A":1579552877,"created_at_utc_B":1579550750,"score_A":8,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Drive towards a promotion.  That title will follow you outside of the business.  External companies don't know that you've only been staff level for two weeks.  Get everyone's LinkedIn.    Go talk to all crossfunctional people you can.   Get yourself sent to conferences to network.  Actually, you should be doing all of these anyway regardless of if you're leaving.","human_ref_B":"I spent some years building up a side specialty for my previous employer. I made the case that this was a great little service that our company could provide, nobody else was doing it, there's a niche, and I'm qualified. Boss was hearing none of it. I continued to build my chops for this specialty, and learn more about starting a business. As soon as I quit I had two big jobs lined up, started an LLC, and went to work for myself the next day. Boss's business went belly up 2 yrs later, I got off the titanic with my own lifeboat.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2127.0,"score_ratio":1.1428571429}
{"post_id":"ovz1ty","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"What are some good side jobs to make extra money while working full time as an engineer?","c_root_id_A":"h7d53ee","c_root_id_B":"h7ckx6z","created_at_utc_A":1627857802,"created_at_utc_B":1627847985,"score_A":56,"score_B":41,"human_ref_A":"Paid overtime","human_ref_B":"Stripper, if you've got the bod for it.  (Engineer, of course, has nothing to do with it... But the same can be said for most good side jobs.)","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9817.0,"score_ratio":1.3658536585}
{"post_id":"ovz1ty","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"What are some good side jobs to make extra money while working full time as an engineer?","c_root_id_A":"h7ctn5x","c_root_id_B":"h7d53ee","created_at_utc_A":1627852135,"created_at_utc_B":1627857802,"score_A":17,"score_B":56,"human_ref_A":"Consulting, stock trading, start a business, code apps, professional photography, etc.","human_ref_B":"Paid overtime","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5667.0,"score_ratio":3.2941176471}
{"post_id":"ovz1ty","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"What are some good side jobs to make extra money while working full time as an engineer?","c_root_id_A":"h7d53ee","c_root_id_B":"h7cms5r","created_at_utc_A":1627857802,"created_at_utc_B":1627848873,"score_A":56,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"Paid overtime","human_ref_B":"Pulling building permits for contractors not licensed enough to get the permits themselves","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8929.0,"score_ratio":3.7333333333}
{"post_id":"ovz1ty","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"What are some good side jobs to make extra money while working full time as an engineer?","c_root_id_A":"h7d53ee","c_root_id_B":"h7d4a3e","created_at_utc_A":1627857802,"created_at_utc_B":1627857386,"score_A":56,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"Paid overtime","human_ref_B":"I was a dog sitter for the past 3 years. Made a few extra thousand year doing that. Helped that I already had a house with trashed carpets so I can only be so mad about accidents inside.   If you want something related to your full time job maybe look into tutoring? Personally I'd hate to come home and do more of the job I just left.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":416.0,"score_ratio":4.3076923077}
{"post_id":"ovz1ty","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"What are some good side jobs to make extra money while working full time as an engineer?","c_root_id_A":"h7d53ee","c_root_id_B":"h7d0ig6","created_at_utc_A":1627857802,"created_at_utc_B":1627855501,"score_A":56,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"Paid overtime","human_ref_B":"Teach math at Mathnasium or Sylvan Learning Center.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2301.0,"score_ratio":5.6}
{"post_id":"ovz1ty","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"What are some good side jobs to make extra money while working full time as an engineer?","c_root_id_A":"h7ctn5x","c_root_id_B":"h7cms5r","created_at_utc_A":1627852135,"created_at_utc_B":1627848873,"score_A":17,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"Consulting, stock trading, start a business, code apps, professional photography, etc.","human_ref_B":"Pulling building permits for contractors not licensed enough to get the permits themselves","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3262.0,"score_ratio":1.1333333333}
{"post_id":"ovz1ty","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"What are some good side jobs to make extra money while working full time as an engineer?","c_root_id_A":"h7d4a3e","c_root_id_B":"h7d0ig6","created_at_utc_A":1627857386,"created_at_utc_B":1627855501,"score_A":13,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"I was a dog sitter for the past 3 years. Made a few extra thousand year doing that. Helped that I already had a house with trashed carpets so I can only be so mad about accidents inside.   If you want something related to your full time job maybe look into tutoring? Personally I'd hate to come home and do more of the job I just left.","human_ref_B":"Teach math at Mathnasium or Sylvan Learning Center.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1885.0,"score_ratio":1.3}
{"post_id":"ovz1ty","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"What are some good side jobs to make extra money while working full time as an engineer?","c_root_id_A":"h7d7dpd","c_root_id_B":"h7d0ig6","created_at_utc_A":1627858960,"created_at_utc_B":1627855501,"score_A":13,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"I've enjoyed active investing and options trading (F**K Robinhood tho, get a real broker).  I get to apply analytics and statistics, lots of fun math and software, work for myself, and decide exactly how much time I want to spend on it.  I have more passive accounts for retirement, but have a couple grand in active accounts that can regularly return 30-40% annually over the last 8 years (but be prepared for drawdowns and volatility).","human_ref_B":"Teach math at Mathnasium or Sylvan Learning Center.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3459.0,"score_ratio":1.3}
{"post_id":"ovz1ty","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"What are some good side jobs to make extra money while working full time as an engineer?","c_root_id_A":"h7d8ub0","c_root_id_B":"h7d7kg3","created_at_utc_A":1627859721,"created_at_utc_B":1627859057,"score_A":6,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Donate plasma.  I get $100 per donation, can go up to 2 times per week","human_ref_B":"r\/3DRequests r\/3DPrintMyThing  Other odd ends","labels":1,"seconds_difference":664.0,"score_ratio":1.2}
{"post_id":"ovz1ty","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"What are some good side jobs to make extra money while working full time as an engineer?","c_root_id_A":"h7dj5kv","c_root_id_B":"h7d7kg3","created_at_utc_A":1627865236,"created_at_utc_B":1627859057,"score_A":6,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"My second job is a contract engineer for a different company, doing something completely unrelated in a different industry. As long as the non-competes work out, it\u2019s the way to go.","human_ref_B":"r\/3DRequests r\/3DPrintMyThing  Other odd ends","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6179.0,"score_ratio":1.2}
{"post_id":"ovz1ty","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"What are some good side jobs to make extra money while working full time as an engineer?","c_root_id_A":"h7dj5kv","c_root_id_B":"h7ddjeu","created_at_utc_A":1627865236,"created_at_utc_B":1627862206,"score_A":6,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"My second job is a contract engineer for a different company, doing something completely unrelated in a different industry. As long as the non-competes work out, it\u2019s the way to go.","human_ref_B":"Travel agent","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3030.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"tfpu5","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Do you think there is a shortage of engineers [in many disciplines] in the Bay Area and other major US metro areas? If I recall correctly, I only thought this is accurate for software and computer engineers and scientists...  Thanks in advance for your feedback.","c_root_id_A":"c4ma9y3","c_root_id_B":"c4mammy","created_at_utc_A":1336624909,"created_at_utc_B":1336626788,"score_A":4,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Depends largely on the discipline, but the answer in general is \"YES\".   Information Security, for an extreme example, has an unemployment rate of ZERO PERCENT. Yes, that's correct; no infosec professional failed to find a job.  Edit: I see you're just trying to confirm your suspicion, so I'll try to clarify. If you're looking at silicon valley specifically, of course you're going to find people wanting software\/electrical\/computer engineers. I'm afraid I can't speak for other disciplines, but the Bureau of Labor Statistics has really good data and broader occupational outlooks. They might help you come to a conclusion.","human_ref_B":"Petroleum engineers are still having no trouble finding jobs. Depends on your discipline and your self-marketing skills.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1879.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"puaynu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"What has Engineering, Career and Life in general taught you about people? (Good, Bad and Ugly) The title says it all.","c_root_id_A":"he1rwsu","c_root_id_B":"he1trbf","created_at_utc_A":1632454195,"created_at_utc_B":1632455222,"score_A":17,"score_B":43,"human_ref_A":"High School never ends, and you need to ride people to get them to produce deliverables.","human_ref_B":"There's many different people out there and I'd like to avoid them all","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1027.0,"score_ratio":2.5294117647}
{"post_id":"puaynu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"What has Engineering, Career and Life in general taught you about people? (Good, Bad and Ugly) The title says it all.","c_root_id_A":"he31yqk","c_root_id_B":"he3eo19","created_at_utc_A":1632487235,"created_at_utc_B":1632493226,"score_A":4,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"This is not real. None of this is, this is some gigantic cosmic joke.   Free will? Who the f@ck thought that was a good idea? Greed and empathy: can we please have a bit less of one and a bit more of the other?    Why is common sense so uncommon?  No, no, no. This cannot be real.   Oh, and please, someone please, explain why the f@ck is math racist?","human_ref_B":"Oh man.  I could go on and on...  In a nutshell, high school never ended.  There are still bullies, popular kids, outcasts, and nerds.  We just don't use the labels anymore and the tactics to manipulate and try to get ahead in the pecking order have just evolved to a more subtle and covert form of childishness.   The only thing that makes it worse than high school is that your \"grades\" (aka income, status, title) are now dependent on not only how well you perform in your work, but also where you sit in the pecking order.  You can be a stellar employee and get the axe, or you can be barely competent and get a promotion.   Work performance is only a small piece of the puzzle, and surprisingly, sometimes working TOO hard will backfire on you (learned that the hard way way too many times).  Sadly, the key to \"success\" lies in how well you play the popularity game (aka, how well do you navigate the high school childishness that is the nature of the \"mature\" adult).","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5991.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"puaynu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"What has Engineering, Career and Life in general taught you about people? (Good, Bad and Ugly) The title says it all.","c_root_id_A":"he31yqk","c_root_id_B":"he4hhn2","created_at_utc_A":1632487235,"created_at_utc_B":1632509528,"score_A":4,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"This is not real. None of this is, this is some gigantic cosmic joke.   Free will? Who the f@ck thought that was a good idea? Greed and empathy: can we please have a bit less of one and a bit more of the other?    Why is common sense so uncommon?  No, no, no. This cannot be real.   Oh, and please, someone please, explain why the f@ck is math racist?","human_ref_B":"Life sucks at time but its worth it overall.    Success depends on 2 things: Preparation and luck. You can control one of those variables, make sure you do, dont be sour if luck never lands, it is what it is.   Dont live expecting an afterlife. If we keep telling ourselves that \"things will get sorted out at the gates of heaven\" we'll never sort them out here on earth. . .","labels":0,"seconds_difference":22293.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"puaynu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"What has Engineering, Career and Life in general taught you about people? (Good, Bad and Ugly) The title says it all.","c_root_id_A":"he4hhn2","c_root_id_B":"he3ygp8","created_at_utc_A":1632509528,"created_at_utc_B":1632501507,"score_A":6,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Life sucks at time but its worth it overall.    Success depends on 2 things: Preparation and luck. You can control one of those variables, make sure you do, dont be sour if luck never lands, it is what it is.   Dont live expecting an afterlife. If we keep telling ourselves that \"things will get sorted out at the gates of heaven\" we'll never sort them out here on earth. . .","human_ref_B":"Many people just don\u2019t pay attention to, and\/or do not care about the details.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8021.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"puaynu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"What has Engineering, Career and Life in general taught you about people? (Good, Bad and Ugly) The title says it all.","c_root_id_A":"he4hhn2","c_root_id_B":"he48nvt","created_at_utc_A":1632509528,"created_at_utc_B":1632505795,"score_A":6,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Life sucks at time but its worth it overall.    Success depends on 2 things: Preparation and luck. You can control one of those variables, make sure you do, dont be sour if luck never lands, it is what it is.   Dont live expecting an afterlife. If we keep telling ourselves that \"things will get sorted out at the gates of heaven\" we'll never sort them out here on earth. . .","human_ref_B":"that the person who went to the better school, more degrees or has the more senior title doesn't mean they're a competent engineer or know what they're doing. I've worked with more than enough people where I be like \"wtf, do they even know what they're doing?\".   Makes me feel a lot more confident in my skills","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3733.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"puaynu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"What has Engineering, Career and Life in general taught you about people? (Good, Bad and Ugly) The title says it all.","c_root_id_A":"he3ts05","c_root_id_B":"he4hhn2","created_at_utc_A":1632499575,"created_at_utc_B":1632509528,"score_A":2,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"When the mirror speaks, the reflection lies.","human_ref_B":"Life sucks at time but its worth it overall.    Success depends on 2 things: Preparation and luck. You can control one of those variables, make sure you do, dont be sour if luck never lands, it is what it is.   Dont live expecting an afterlife. If we keep telling ourselves that \"things will get sorted out at the gates of heaven\" we'll never sort them out here on earth. . .","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9953.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"puaynu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"What has Engineering, Career and Life in general taught you about people? (Good, Bad and Ugly) The title says it all.","c_root_id_A":"he4f37l","c_root_id_B":"he4hhn2","created_at_utc_A":1632508505,"created_at_utc_B":1632509528,"score_A":2,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Some people will think you\u2019re stupid no matter how well you do your job.","human_ref_B":"Life sucks at time but its worth it overall.    Success depends on 2 things: Preparation and luck. You can control one of those variables, make sure you do, dont be sour if luck never lands, it is what it is.   Dont live expecting an afterlife. If we keep telling ourselves that \"things will get sorted out at the gates of heaven\" we'll never sort them out here on earth. . .","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1023.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"puaynu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"What has Engineering, Career and Life in general taught you about people? (Good, Bad and Ugly) The title says it all.","c_root_id_A":"he3ygp8","c_root_id_B":"he3ts05","created_at_utc_A":1632501507,"created_at_utc_B":1632499575,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Many people just don\u2019t pay attention to, and\/or do not care about the details.","human_ref_B":"When the mirror speaks, the reflection lies.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1932.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"puaynu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"What has Engineering, Career and Life in general taught you about people? (Good, Bad and Ugly) The title says it all.","c_root_id_A":"he3ts05","c_root_id_B":"he48nvt","created_at_utc_A":1632499575,"created_at_utc_B":1632505795,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"When the mirror speaks, the reflection lies.","human_ref_B":"that the person who went to the better school, more degrees or has the more senior title doesn't mean they're a competent engineer or know what they're doing. I've worked with more than enough people where I be like \"wtf, do they even know what they're doing?\".   Makes me feel a lot more confident in my skills","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6220.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"puaynu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"What has Engineering, Career and Life in general taught you about people? (Good, Bad and Ugly) The title says it all.","c_root_id_A":"he3ts05","c_root_id_B":"he6rcuc","created_at_utc_A":1632499575,"created_at_utc_B":1632547727,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"When the mirror speaks, the reflection lies.","human_ref_B":"People are inherently lazy. Everyone\u2019s at their jobs so that they can pay their mortgages.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":48152.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"puaynu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"What has Engineering, Career and Life in general taught you about people? (Good, Bad and Ugly) The title says it all.","c_root_id_A":"he4f37l","c_root_id_B":"he6rcuc","created_at_utc_A":1632508505,"created_at_utc_B":1632547727,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Some people will think you\u2019re stupid no matter how well you do your job.","human_ref_B":"People are inherently lazy. Everyone\u2019s at their jobs so that they can pay their mortgages.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":39222.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"puaynu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"What has Engineering, Career and Life in general taught you about people? (Good, Bad and Ugly) The title says it all.","c_root_id_A":"he6rcuc","c_root_id_B":"he4l8f2","created_at_utc_A":1632547727,"created_at_utc_B":1632511089,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"People are inherently lazy. Everyone\u2019s at their jobs so that they can pay their mortgages.","human_ref_B":"Most are dumb to some degree. Even yourself.   Best not remind them.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":36638.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"puaynu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"What has Engineering, Career and Life in general taught you about people? (Good, Bad and Ugly) The title says it all.","c_root_id_A":"he4n4ld","c_root_id_B":"he6rcuc","created_at_utc_A":1632511862,"created_at_utc_B":1632547727,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"People have unrealistic expectations","human_ref_B":"People are inherently lazy. Everyone\u2019s at their jobs so that they can pay their mortgages.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":35865.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"puaynu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"What has Engineering, Career and Life in general taught you about people? (Good, Bad and Ugly) The title says it all.","c_root_id_A":"he695d7","c_root_id_B":"he6rcuc","created_at_utc_A":1632537667,"created_at_utc_B":1632547727,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"It has teach me 3 important  things:  1. If is not your problem don't get in.  2. If you didn't break it don't try to fix it, unless  you get something out of it.  3. Stay away of problems.","human_ref_B":"People are inherently lazy. Everyone\u2019s at their jobs so that they can pay their mortgages.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10060.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"2d4mix","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"Understanding Laplace vs Fourier Transform Mathematically, it's straightforward to see how to get from the Fourier to the Laplace transform. I know that the Laplace transform is basically the Fourier transform with an extra e^\u03c3 multiplier to help a wider class of input functions\/signals to converge. I also know that the Laplace transform includes the transient response of a system, while the Fourier transform only includes the steady state behavior.   My question: is there an intuitive explanation for why the Fourier transform \"forgets\" the transient response of a system, while the Laplace transform \"remembers\" it? I'm guessing it has something to do with representing aperiodic signals but I can't wrap my head around it.","c_root_id_A":"cjm4i14","c_root_id_B":"cjm8sgu","created_at_utc_A":1407666781,"created_at_utc_B":1407684100,"score_A":13,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"The Fourier transform is the result of walking along the *j\u03c9* axis of the Laplace transform. Laplace is the big dog here; I'd say that you go from Laplace to Fourier, not the other way around.   If you look at the Fourier transform in any of its incarnations, what you're basically doing is performing a correlation function with a bunch of different sinusoids. To me, that's the intuitive bit: you're just stepping through different frequencies and assigning them a number based on how well they match your signal.","human_ref_B":"The Fourier transform is just the Laplace transform restricted to the jw axis, as mentioned earlier.  This is how it applies to your question: by restricting to the s=jw axis, the only form of the resulting phasors is e^(jwt).  This is a sinusoid with constant magnitude.  However, if you allow yourself off-axis terms with the Laplace transform, the form is now e^(st), where s could be jw (on-axis) or k + jw (off-axis).  If the off axis k is negative, then the response exponentially decays to nothing over time.  This is how the laplace transform is able to capture transience; it can include these little components that eventually decay to nothing over time, leaving only the constant magnitude phasors.  Also, for completeness, if k is positive, then the response grows exponentially over time, but usually if this happens you've done something wrong as an engineer.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":17319.0,"score_ratio":1.0769230769}
{"post_id":"7w72m4","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Engineers of reddit, is it possible, in your honest opinion, that a driven individual can self teach engineering IF they have a great broad understanding of calculus, physics and chemistry? Can that individual self teach the intuition that is taught at undergraduate engineering programs(eg areospace, electrical and computer, robotics)? Or would it be better to just go to university to attain this knowledge?","c_root_id_A":"dty29cz","c_root_id_B":"dty2943","created_at_utc_A":1518117820,"created_at_utc_B":1518117814,"score_A":129,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"The hard part about self-teaching is that you don\u2019t know what you don\u2019t know. There\u2019s a lot to be said for going to an accredited school with a well developed curriculum, while you could try to follow the curriculum yourself you would still find gaps.   A general rule of thumb is that an undergrad degree is about 40 hours of studying a week, for 4 years. It\u2019s a bit of a grind at times, I personally wouldn\u2019t be able to self-motivate through a lot of the less interesting material.","human_ref_B":"^It's ^not ^a ^secret ^the ^Jedi ^would ^tell ^you...  But places will only hire you if you went to an ABET accredited school. Don't quote me on that, since I'm still in school.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6.0,"score_ratio":9.9230769231}
{"post_id":"7w72m4","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Engineers of reddit, is it possible, in your honest opinion, that a driven individual can self teach engineering IF they have a great broad understanding of calculus, physics and chemistry? Can that individual self teach the intuition that is taught at undergraduate engineering programs(eg areospace, electrical and computer, robotics)? Or would it be better to just go to university to attain this knowledge?","c_root_id_A":"dty1vd6","c_root_id_B":"dty29cz","created_at_utc_A":1518117484,"created_at_utc_B":1518117820,"score_A":4,"score_B":129,"human_ref_A":"Go to school.","human_ref_B":"The hard part about self-teaching is that you don\u2019t know what you don\u2019t know. There\u2019s a lot to be said for going to an accredited school with a well developed curriculum, while you could try to follow the curriculum yourself you would still find gaps.   A general rule of thumb is that an undergrad degree is about 40 hours of studying a week, for 4 years. It\u2019s a bit of a grind at times, I personally wouldn\u2019t be able to self-motivate through a lot of the less interesting material.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":336.0,"score_ratio":32.25}
{"post_id":"7w72m4","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Engineers of reddit, is it possible, in your honest opinion, that a driven individual can self teach engineering IF they have a great broad understanding of calculus, physics and chemistry? Can that individual self teach the intuition that is taught at undergraduate engineering programs(eg areospace, electrical and computer, robotics)? Or would it be better to just go to university to attain this knowledge?","c_root_id_A":"dty4hfh","c_root_id_B":"dty2lkm","created_at_utc_A":1518119704,"created_at_utc_B":1518118103,"score_A":28,"score_B":21,"human_ref_A":"Where do all of these, self taught engineer questions come from? What is the goal? What exactly is a self taught engineer other than somebody that knows STEM stuff? I\u2019m really asking. What are you wanting out of it?  If you want to work as an engineer but don\u2019t want to go to school, I have bad news for you. It\u2019s not likely to happen. It has nothing to do with what you do or don\u2019t know. Nobody hires without a degree. Maybe somebody out there does, but that\u2019s unlikely (at least in the US).  Engineer is a title qualified by a degree and\/or professional certification or license. It\u2019s not a knowledge base. It is not even really a skill set.  As I\u2019ve said before, that\u2019s like asking about becoming a self taught doctor or lawyer. You may know your way around a cadaver or legal system but you won\u2019t be a doctor or lawyer until you\u2019re officially recognized as such. I could audit medical school and a residency but I\u2019ll never be a doctor until I go back and do it for real. Regardless of what I know.  Edit: less stupid generalization about lawyering","human_ref_B":"I think you can learn any individual engineering topic by yourself.   I don't think that you can self-plan a curriculum or build up a base of problem solving skills by yourself. Nor would you be able to replicate the experience of labs, personal advice from professors, exposure to industry, etc.   Plus no one cares what you claim to have taught yourself. Prove it with a degree or job experience.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1601.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"7w72m4","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Engineers of reddit, is it possible, in your honest opinion, that a driven individual can self teach engineering IF they have a great broad understanding of calculus, physics and chemistry? Can that individual self teach the intuition that is taught at undergraduate engineering programs(eg areospace, electrical and computer, robotics)? Or would it be better to just go to university to attain this knowledge?","c_root_id_A":"dty4hfh","c_root_id_B":"dty2943","created_at_utc_A":1518119704,"created_at_utc_B":1518117814,"score_A":28,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"Where do all of these, self taught engineer questions come from? What is the goal? What exactly is a self taught engineer other than somebody that knows STEM stuff? I\u2019m really asking. What are you wanting out of it?  If you want to work as an engineer but don\u2019t want to go to school, I have bad news for you. It\u2019s not likely to happen. It has nothing to do with what you do or don\u2019t know. Nobody hires without a degree. Maybe somebody out there does, but that\u2019s unlikely (at least in the US).  Engineer is a title qualified by a degree and\/or professional certification or license. It\u2019s not a knowledge base. It is not even really a skill set.  As I\u2019ve said before, that\u2019s like asking about becoming a self taught doctor or lawyer. You may know your way around a cadaver or legal system but you won\u2019t be a doctor or lawyer until you\u2019re officially recognized as such. I could audit medical school and a residency but I\u2019ll never be a doctor until I go back and do it for real. Regardless of what I know.  Edit: less stupid generalization about lawyering","human_ref_B":"^It's ^not ^a ^secret ^the ^Jedi ^would ^tell ^you...  But places will only hire you if you went to an ABET accredited school. Don't quote me on that, since I'm still in school.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1890.0,"score_ratio":2.1538461538}
{"post_id":"7w72m4","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Engineers of reddit, is it possible, in your honest opinion, that a driven individual can self teach engineering IF they have a great broad understanding of calculus, physics and chemistry? Can that individual self teach the intuition that is taught at undergraduate engineering programs(eg areospace, electrical and computer, robotics)? Or would it be better to just go to university to attain this knowledge?","c_root_id_A":"dty4hfh","c_root_id_B":"dty3j3d","created_at_utc_A":1518119704,"created_at_utc_B":1518118895,"score_A":28,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Where do all of these, self taught engineer questions come from? What is the goal? What exactly is a self taught engineer other than somebody that knows STEM stuff? I\u2019m really asking. What are you wanting out of it?  If you want to work as an engineer but don\u2019t want to go to school, I have bad news for you. It\u2019s not likely to happen. It has nothing to do with what you do or don\u2019t know. Nobody hires without a degree. Maybe somebody out there does, but that\u2019s unlikely (at least in the US).  Engineer is a title qualified by a degree and\/or professional certification or license. It\u2019s not a knowledge base. It is not even really a skill set.  As I\u2019ve said before, that\u2019s like asking about becoming a self taught doctor or lawyer. You may know your way around a cadaver or legal system but you won\u2019t be a doctor or lawyer until you\u2019re officially recognized as such. I could audit medical school and a residency but I\u2019ll never be a doctor until I go back and do it for real. Regardless of what I know.  Edit: less stupid generalization about lawyering","human_ref_B":"Yes, of course you can teach yourself. Can you get a job without a degree? No, you cannot (generally).   Go to University.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":809.0,"score_ratio":3.1111111111}
{"post_id":"7w72m4","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Engineers of reddit, is it possible, in your honest opinion, that a driven individual can self teach engineering IF they have a great broad understanding of calculus, physics and chemistry? Can that individual self teach the intuition that is taught at undergraduate engineering programs(eg areospace, electrical and computer, robotics)? Or would it be better to just go to university to attain this knowledge?","c_root_id_A":"dty4hfh","c_root_id_B":"dty3mv5","created_at_utc_A":1518119704,"created_at_utc_B":1518118986,"score_A":28,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Where do all of these, self taught engineer questions come from? What is the goal? What exactly is a self taught engineer other than somebody that knows STEM stuff? I\u2019m really asking. What are you wanting out of it?  If you want to work as an engineer but don\u2019t want to go to school, I have bad news for you. It\u2019s not likely to happen. It has nothing to do with what you do or don\u2019t know. Nobody hires without a degree. Maybe somebody out there does, but that\u2019s unlikely (at least in the US).  Engineer is a title qualified by a degree and\/or professional certification or license. It\u2019s not a knowledge base. It is not even really a skill set.  As I\u2019ve said before, that\u2019s like asking about becoming a self taught doctor or lawyer. You may know your way around a cadaver or legal system but you won\u2019t be a doctor or lawyer until you\u2019re officially recognized as such. I could audit medical school and a residency but I\u2019ll never be a doctor until I go back and do it for real. Regardless of what I know.  Edit: less stupid generalization about lawyering","human_ref_B":"Is it possible? Yes.  Elon Musk famously taught himself Aerospace engineering.   Is that person you?  No offense but probably not.   Even if you are that person you need a degree to get you in the door of most jobs.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":718.0,"score_ratio":7.0}
{"post_id":"7w72m4","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Engineers of reddit, is it possible, in your honest opinion, that a driven individual can self teach engineering IF they have a great broad understanding of calculus, physics and chemistry? Can that individual self teach the intuition that is taught at undergraduate engineering programs(eg areospace, electrical and computer, robotics)? Or would it be better to just go to university to attain this knowledge?","c_root_id_A":"dty1vd6","c_root_id_B":"dty4hfh","created_at_utc_A":1518117484,"created_at_utc_B":1518119704,"score_A":4,"score_B":28,"human_ref_A":"Go to school.","human_ref_B":"Where do all of these, self taught engineer questions come from? What is the goal? What exactly is a self taught engineer other than somebody that knows STEM stuff? I\u2019m really asking. What are you wanting out of it?  If you want to work as an engineer but don\u2019t want to go to school, I have bad news for you. It\u2019s not likely to happen. It has nothing to do with what you do or don\u2019t know. Nobody hires without a degree. Maybe somebody out there does, but that\u2019s unlikely (at least in the US).  Engineer is a title qualified by a degree and\/or professional certification or license. It\u2019s not a knowledge base. It is not even really a skill set.  As I\u2019ve said before, that\u2019s like asking about becoming a self taught doctor or lawyer. You may know your way around a cadaver or legal system but you won\u2019t be a doctor or lawyer until you\u2019re officially recognized as such. I could audit medical school and a residency but I\u2019ll never be a doctor until I go back and do it for real. Regardless of what I know.  Edit: less stupid generalization about lawyering","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2220.0,"score_ratio":7.0}
{"post_id":"7w72m4","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Engineers of reddit, is it possible, in your honest opinion, that a driven individual can self teach engineering IF they have a great broad understanding of calculus, physics and chemistry? Can that individual self teach the intuition that is taught at undergraduate engineering programs(eg areospace, electrical and computer, robotics)? Or would it be better to just go to university to attain this knowledge?","c_root_id_A":"dty2lkm","c_root_id_B":"dty2943","created_at_utc_A":1518118103,"created_at_utc_B":1518117814,"score_A":21,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"I think you can learn any individual engineering topic by yourself.   I don't think that you can self-plan a curriculum or build up a base of problem solving skills by yourself. Nor would you be able to replicate the experience of labs, personal advice from professors, exposure to industry, etc.   Plus no one cares what you claim to have taught yourself. Prove it with a degree or job experience.","human_ref_B":"^It's ^not ^a ^secret ^the ^Jedi ^would ^tell ^you...  But places will only hire you if you went to an ABET accredited school. Don't quote me on that, since I'm still in school.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":289.0,"score_ratio":1.6153846154}
{"post_id":"7w72m4","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Engineers of reddit, is it possible, in your honest opinion, that a driven individual can self teach engineering IF they have a great broad understanding of calculus, physics and chemistry? Can that individual self teach the intuition that is taught at undergraduate engineering programs(eg areospace, electrical and computer, robotics)? Or would it be better to just go to university to attain this knowledge?","c_root_id_A":"dty1vd6","c_root_id_B":"dty2lkm","created_at_utc_A":1518117484,"created_at_utc_B":1518118103,"score_A":4,"score_B":21,"human_ref_A":"Go to school.","human_ref_B":"I think you can learn any individual engineering topic by yourself.   I don't think that you can self-plan a curriculum or build up a base of problem solving skills by yourself. Nor would you be able to replicate the experience of labs, personal advice from professors, exposure to industry, etc.   Plus no one cares what you claim to have taught yourself. Prove it with a degree or job experience.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":619.0,"score_ratio":5.25}
{"post_id":"7w72m4","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Engineers of reddit, is it possible, in your honest opinion, that a driven individual can self teach engineering IF they have a great broad understanding of calculus, physics and chemistry? Can that individual self teach the intuition that is taught at undergraduate engineering programs(eg areospace, electrical and computer, robotics)? Or would it be better to just go to university to attain this knowledge?","c_root_id_A":"dty2943","c_root_id_B":"dty1vd6","created_at_utc_A":1518117814,"created_at_utc_B":1518117484,"score_A":13,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"^It's ^not ^a ^secret ^the ^Jedi ^would ^tell ^you...  But places will only hire you if you went to an ABET accredited school. Don't quote me on that, since I'm still in school.","human_ref_B":"Go to school.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":330.0,"score_ratio":3.25}
{"post_id":"7w72m4","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Engineers of reddit, is it possible, in your honest opinion, that a driven individual can self teach engineering IF they have a great broad understanding of calculus, physics and chemistry? Can that individual self teach the intuition that is taught at undergraduate engineering programs(eg areospace, electrical and computer, robotics)? Or would it be better to just go to university to attain this knowledge?","c_root_id_A":"dty3j3d","c_root_id_B":"dty1vd6","created_at_utc_A":1518118895,"created_at_utc_B":1518117484,"score_A":9,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Yes, of course you can teach yourself. Can you get a job without a degree? No, you cannot (generally).   Go to University.","human_ref_B":"Go to school.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1411.0,"score_ratio":2.25}
{"post_id":"7w72m4","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Engineers of reddit, is it possible, in your honest opinion, that a driven individual can self teach engineering IF they have a great broad understanding of calculus, physics and chemistry? Can that individual self teach the intuition that is taught at undergraduate engineering programs(eg areospace, electrical and computer, robotics)? Or would it be better to just go to university to attain this knowledge?","c_root_id_A":"dtyhbj3","c_root_id_B":"dtynfh7","created_at_utc_A":1518131713,"created_at_utc_B":1518138437,"score_A":5,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"I would say absolutely.  I would estimate at least 30% of my coursework for my BSME was self taught from a text book on account of the fact the fact that my professors either spoke unintelligible English or were so incredibly hard to follow as a speaker that lectures were unproductive.  To me, there is no question that a well motivated person could self teach given access to good learning resources.","human_ref_B":"Yes it's possible to teach yourself the knowledge you learn in college.  Engineering is more a state of mind and a matter of ability to problem solve than a college degree.  Many of the people I've worked with were shop\/production people who worked their way up and were smarter and more capable than people with a degree.  However, no one will hire you as an engineer without a degree.  You could get a job as an engineering tech or something similar maybe, but never as an engineer.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6724.0,"score_ratio":1.2}
{"post_id":"7w72m4","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Engineers of reddit, is it possible, in your honest opinion, that a driven individual can self teach engineering IF they have a great broad understanding of calculus, physics and chemistry? Can that individual self teach the intuition that is taught at undergraduate engineering programs(eg areospace, electrical and computer, robotics)? Or would it be better to just go to university to attain this knowledge?","c_root_id_A":"dtyhbj3","c_root_id_B":"dty3mv5","created_at_utc_A":1518131713,"created_at_utc_B":1518118986,"score_A":5,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I would say absolutely.  I would estimate at least 30% of my coursework for my BSME was self taught from a text book on account of the fact the fact that my professors either spoke unintelligible English or were so incredibly hard to follow as a speaker that lectures were unproductive.  To me, there is no question that a well motivated person could self teach given access to good learning resources.","human_ref_B":"Is it possible? Yes.  Elon Musk famously taught himself Aerospace engineering.   Is that person you?  No offense but probably not.   Even if you are that person you need a degree to get you in the door of most jobs.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":12727.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"7w72m4","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Engineers of reddit, is it possible, in your honest opinion, that a driven individual can self teach engineering IF they have a great broad understanding of calculus, physics and chemistry? Can that individual self teach the intuition that is taught at undergraduate engineering programs(eg areospace, electrical and computer, robotics)? Or would it be better to just go to university to attain this knowledge?","c_root_id_A":"dty1vd6","c_root_id_B":"dtyhbj3","created_at_utc_A":1518117484,"created_at_utc_B":1518131713,"score_A":4,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Go to school.","human_ref_B":"I would say absolutely.  I would estimate at least 30% of my coursework for my BSME was self taught from a text book on account of the fact the fact that my professors either spoke unintelligible English or were so incredibly hard to follow as a speaker that lectures were unproductive.  To me, there is no question that a well motivated person could self teach given access to good learning resources.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":14229.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"7w72m4","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Engineers of reddit, is it possible, in your honest opinion, that a driven individual can self teach engineering IF they have a great broad understanding of calculus, physics and chemistry? Can that individual self teach the intuition that is taught at undergraduate engineering programs(eg areospace, electrical and computer, robotics)? Or would it be better to just go to university to attain this knowledge?","c_root_id_A":"dtyhbj3","c_root_id_B":"dty9gw1","created_at_utc_A":1518131713,"created_at_utc_B":1518124098,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I would say absolutely.  I would estimate at least 30% of my coursework for my BSME was self taught from a text book on account of the fact the fact that my professors either spoke unintelligible English or were so incredibly hard to follow as a speaker that lectures were unproductive.  To me, there is no question that a well motivated person could self teach given access to good learning resources.","human_ref_B":"I got my Masters' (renewable energy engineering) so I'd stop reinventing the wheel. Sometimes I felt like half the stuff in the courses was \"When someone has this idea, again, they're wrong. Here's why.\"","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7615.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"7w72m4","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Engineers of reddit, is it possible, in your honest opinion, that a driven individual can self teach engineering IF they have a great broad understanding of calculus, physics and chemistry? Can that individual self teach the intuition that is taught at undergraduate engineering programs(eg areospace, electrical and computer, robotics)? Or would it be better to just go to university to attain this knowledge?","c_root_id_A":"dtyhbj3","c_root_id_B":"dtyfc2g","created_at_utc_A":1518131713,"created_at_utc_B":1518129677,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I would say absolutely.  I would estimate at least 30% of my coursework for my BSME was self taught from a text book on account of the fact the fact that my professors either spoke unintelligible English or were so incredibly hard to follow as a speaker that lectures were unproductive.  To me, there is no question that a well motivated person could self teach given access to good learning resources.","human_ref_B":"As a victim of going through the ordeal of unlearning, self learning creates more harm than learning of the said knowledge.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2036.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"7w72m4","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Engineers of reddit, is it possible, in your honest opinion, that a driven individual can self teach engineering IF they have a great broad understanding of calculus, physics and chemistry? Can that individual self teach the intuition that is taught at undergraduate engineering programs(eg areospace, electrical and computer, robotics)? Or would it be better to just go to university to attain this knowledge?","c_root_id_A":"dty3mv5","c_root_id_B":"dtynfh7","created_at_utc_A":1518118986,"created_at_utc_B":1518138437,"score_A":4,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Is it possible? Yes.  Elon Musk famously taught himself Aerospace engineering.   Is that person you?  No offense but probably not.   Even if you are that person you need a degree to get you in the door of most jobs.","human_ref_B":"Yes it's possible to teach yourself the knowledge you learn in college.  Engineering is more a state of mind and a matter of ability to problem solve than a college degree.  Many of the people I've worked with were shop\/production people who worked their way up and were smarter and more capable than people with a degree.  However, no one will hire you as an engineer without a degree.  You could get a job as an engineering tech or something similar maybe, but never as an engineer.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":19451.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"7w72m4","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Engineers of reddit, is it possible, in your honest opinion, that a driven individual can self teach engineering IF they have a great broad understanding of calculus, physics and chemistry? Can that individual self teach the intuition that is taught at undergraduate engineering programs(eg areospace, electrical and computer, robotics)? Or would it be better to just go to university to attain this knowledge?","c_root_id_A":"dty1vd6","c_root_id_B":"dtynfh7","created_at_utc_A":1518117484,"created_at_utc_B":1518138437,"score_A":4,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Go to school.","human_ref_B":"Yes it's possible to teach yourself the knowledge you learn in college.  Engineering is more a state of mind and a matter of ability to problem solve than a college degree.  Many of the people I've worked with were shop\/production people who worked their way up and were smarter and more capable than people with a degree.  However, no one will hire you as an engineer without a degree.  You could get a job as an engineering tech or something similar maybe, but never as an engineer.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":20953.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"7w72m4","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Engineers of reddit, is it possible, in your honest opinion, that a driven individual can self teach engineering IF they have a great broad understanding of calculus, physics and chemistry? Can that individual self teach the intuition that is taught at undergraduate engineering programs(eg areospace, electrical and computer, robotics)? Or would it be better to just go to university to attain this knowledge?","c_root_id_A":"dtynfh7","c_root_id_B":"dtyhk1g","created_at_utc_A":1518138437,"created_at_utc_B":1518131957,"score_A":6,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Yes it's possible to teach yourself the knowledge you learn in college.  Engineering is more a state of mind and a matter of ability to problem solve than a college degree.  Many of the people I've worked with were shop\/production people who worked their way up and were smarter and more capable than people with a degree.  However, no one will hire you as an engineer without a degree.  You could get a job as an engineering tech or something similar maybe, but never as an engineer.","human_ref_B":"I have no doubt that an intelligent, disciplined person could teach themselves anything in an undergrad engineering program. Building intuition just takes practice. If you're not getting something read more theory and solve more problems.   I still think it would best to go to university though. They have the whole program streamlined and there's lots of good resources at your disposal.   Also, as others have mentioned, if getting an engineering job is your goal then you pretty much need a degree. It's very rare that people wind up in an engineer's role without a degree.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6480.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"7w72m4","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Engineers of reddit, is it possible, in your honest opinion, that a driven individual can self teach engineering IF they have a great broad understanding of calculus, physics and chemistry? Can that individual self teach the intuition that is taught at undergraduate engineering programs(eg areospace, electrical and computer, robotics)? Or would it be better to just go to university to attain this knowledge?","c_root_id_A":"dtyk5ms","c_root_id_B":"dtynfh7","created_at_utc_A":1518134760,"created_at_utc_B":1518138437,"score_A":4,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Absolutely.  I don't have a Civil Engineering degree, but hold a license as one. I've spent the last 8 years doing civil engineering stuff in the work place, but the reality is that 90% of the PE exam was foreign to me before I started studying.  FYI - I opened my first book 3 months before my first attempt and failed.  Studied 5 months non stop for my 2nd attempt and passed.  So yes, it's possible.  Good luck!","human_ref_B":"Yes it's possible to teach yourself the knowledge you learn in college.  Engineering is more a state of mind and a matter of ability to problem solve than a college degree.  Many of the people I've worked with were shop\/production people who worked their way up and were smarter and more capable than people with a degree.  However, no one will hire you as an engineer without a degree.  You could get a job as an engineering tech or something similar maybe, but never as an engineer.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3677.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"7w72m4","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Engineers of reddit, is it possible, in your honest opinion, that a driven individual can self teach engineering IF they have a great broad understanding of calculus, physics and chemistry? Can that individual self teach the intuition that is taught at undergraduate engineering programs(eg areospace, electrical and computer, robotics)? Or would it be better to just go to university to attain this knowledge?","c_root_id_A":"dtynfh7","c_root_id_B":"dtyl9vt","created_at_utc_A":1518138437,"created_at_utc_B":1518136011,"score_A":6,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Yes it's possible to teach yourself the knowledge you learn in college.  Engineering is more a state of mind and a matter of ability to problem solve than a college degree.  Many of the people I've worked with were shop\/production people who worked their way up and were smarter and more capable than people with a degree.  However, no one will hire you as an engineer without a degree.  You could get a job as an engineering tech or something similar maybe, but never as an engineer.","human_ref_B":"It took me until half way through my senior year until a realized the whole point of a four year Engineering degree. It's exactly that intuition. Sadly, I don't believe you can self teach it. I realize that what I really learned was an ability to look at problems a certain way and that I have this toolbox of math, physics, and chemistry that I can throw at problems. Sadly, I do not think you can teach yourself that experience.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2426.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"7w72m4","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Engineers of reddit, is it possible, in your honest opinion, that a driven individual can self teach engineering IF they have a great broad understanding of calculus, physics and chemistry? Can that individual self teach the intuition that is taught at undergraduate engineering programs(eg areospace, electrical and computer, robotics)? Or would it be better to just go to university to attain this knowledge?","c_root_id_A":"dty9gw1","c_root_id_B":"dtynfh7","created_at_utc_A":1518124098,"created_at_utc_B":1518138437,"score_A":3,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"I got my Masters' (renewable energy engineering) so I'd stop reinventing the wheel. Sometimes I felt like half the stuff in the courses was \"When someone has this idea, again, they're wrong. Here's why.\"","human_ref_B":"Yes it's possible to teach yourself the knowledge you learn in college.  Engineering is more a state of mind and a matter of ability to problem solve than a college degree.  Many of the people I've worked with were shop\/production people who worked their way up and were smarter and more capable than people with a degree.  However, no one will hire you as an engineer without a degree.  You could get a job as an engineering tech or something similar maybe, but never as an engineer.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":14339.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"7w72m4","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Engineers of reddit, is it possible, in your honest opinion, that a driven individual can self teach engineering IF they have a great broad understanding of calculus, physics and chemistry? Can that individual self teach the intuition that is taught at undergraduate engineering programs(eg areospace, electrical and computer, robotics)? Or would it be better to just go to university to attain this knowledge?","c_root_id_A":"dtynfh7","c_root_id_B":"dtyfc2g","created_at_utc_A":1518138437,"created_at_utc_B":1518129677,"score_A":6,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Yes it's possible to teach yourself the knowledge you learn in college.  Engineering is more a state of mind and a matter of ability to problem solve than a college degree.  Many of the people I've worked with were shop\/production people who worked their way up and were smarter and more capable than people with a degree.  However, no one will hire you as an engineer without a degree.  You could get a job as an engineering tech or something similar maybe, but never as an engineer.","human_ref_B":"As a victim of going through the ordeal of unlearning, self learning creates more harm than learning of the said knowledge.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8760.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"7w72m4","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Engineers of reddit, is it possible, in your honest opinion, that a driven individual can self teach engineering IF they have a great broad understanding of calculus, physics and chemistry? Can that individual self teach the intuition that is taught at undergraduate engineering programs(eg areospace, electrical and computer, robotics)? Or would it be better to just go to university to attain this knowledge?","c_root_id_A":"dtyk5ms","c_root_id_B":"dtyhk1g","created_at_utc_A":1518134760,"created_at_utc_B":1518131957,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Absolutely.  I don't have a Civil Engineering degree, but hold a license as one. I've spent the last 8 years doing civil engineering stuff in the work place, but the reality is that 90% of the PE exam was foreign to me before I started studying.  FYI - I opened my first book 3 months before my first attempt and failed.  Studied 5 months non stop for my 2nd attempt and passed.  So yes, it's possible.  Good luck!","human_ref_B":"I have no doubt that an intelligent, disciplined person could teach themselves anything in an undergrad engineering program. Building intuition just takes practice. If you're not getting something read more theory and solve more problems.   I still think it would best to go to university though. They have the whole program streamlined and there's lots of good resources at your disposal.   Also, as others have mentioned, if getting an engineering job is your goal then you pretty much need a degree. It's very rare that people wind up in an engineer's role without a degree.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2803.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"7w72m4","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Engineers of reddit, is it possible, in your honest opinion, that a driven individual can self teach engineering IF they have a great broad understanding of calculus, physics and chemistry? Can that individual self teach the intuition that is taught at undergraduate engineering programs(eg areospace, electrical and computer, robotics)? Or would it be better to just go to university to attain this knowledge?","c_root_id_A":"dtyhk1g","c_root_id_B":"dtyl9vt","created_at_utc_A":1518131957,"created_at_utc_B":1518136011,"score_A":2,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I have no doubt that an intelligent, disciplined person could teach themselves anything in an undergrad engineering program. Building intuition just takes practice. If you're not getting something read more theory and solve more problems.   I still think it would best to go to university though. They have the whole program streamlined and there's lots of good resources at your disposal.   Also, as others have mentioned, if getting an engineering job is your goal then you pretty much need a degree. It's very rare that people wind up in an engineer's role without a degree.","human_ref_B":"It took me until half way through my senior year until a realized the whole point of a four year Engineering degree. It's exactly that intuition. Sadly, I don't believe you can self teach it. I realize that what I really learned was an ability to look at problems a certain way and that I have this toolbox of math, physics, and chemistry that I can throw at problems. Sadly, I do not think you can teach yourself that experience.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4054.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"7w72m4","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Engineers of reddit, is it possible, in your honest opinion, that a driven individual can self teach engineering IF they have a great broad understanding of calculus, physics and chemistry? Can that individual self teach the intuition that is taught at undergraduate engineering programs(eg areospace, electrical and computer, robotics)? Or would it be better to just go to university to attain this knowledge?","c_root_id_A":"dtyv7zl","c_root_id_B":"dtyhk1g","created_at_utc_A":1518147153,"created_at_utc_B":1518131957,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Lol senior engineer that I used to work for designs medicals stuff that has probably seen your body if you've gone to the hospital, especially if you've been to a radiologist. Anyway he told me his darkest secret, he isn't actually and engineer never graduated.  He was a machinist turned engineer. And he's damn good.. I'm really good at math, and when I would start to solve problems with mathematics he would say , \" idk you're the math guy\". He rarley if ever used math he just understood. I learned alot from that guy good and bad. Degree or not he is and engineer.","human_ref_B":"I have no doubt that an intelligent, disciplined person could teach themselves anything in an undergrad engineering program. Building intuition just takes practice. If you're not getting something read more theory and solve more problems.   I still think it would best to go to university though. They have the whole program streamlined and there's lots of good resources at your disposal.   Also, as others have mentioned, if getting an engineering job is your goal then you pretty much need a degree. It's very rare that people wind up in an engineer's role without a degree.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":15196.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"7w72m4","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Engineers of reddit, is it possible, in your honest opinion, that a driven individual can self teach engineering IF they have a great broad understanding of calculus, physics and chemistry? Can that individual self teach the intuition that is taught at undergraduate engineering programs(eg areospace, electrical and computer, robotics)? Or would it be better to just go to university to attain this knowledge?","c_root_id_A":"dty9gw1","c_root_id_B":"dtyk5ms","created_at_utc_A":1518124098,"created_at_utc_B":1518134760,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I got my Masters' (renewable energy engineering) so I'd stop reinventing the wheel. Sometimes I felt like half the stuff in the courses was \"When someone has this idea, again, they're wrong. Here's why.\"","human_ref_B":"Absolutely.  I don't have a Civil Engineering degree, but hold a license as one. I've spent the last 8 years doing civil engineering stuff in the work place, but the reality is that 90% of the PE exam was foreign to me before I started studying.  FYI - I opened my first book 3 months before my first attempt and failed.  Studied 5 months non stop for my 2nd attempt and passed.  So yes, it's possible.  Good luck!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10662.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"7w72m4","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Engineers of reddit, is it possible, in your honest opinion, that a driven individual can self teach engineering IF they have a great broad understanding of calculus, physics and chemistry? Can that individual self teach the intuition that is taught at undergraduate engineering programs(eg areospace, electrical and computer, robotics)? Or would it be better to just go to university to attain this knowledge?","c_root_id_A":"dtyfc2g","c_root_id_B":"dtyk5ms","created_at_utc_A":1518129677,"created_at_utc_B":1518134760,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"As a victim of going through the ordeal of unlearning, self learning creates more harm than learning of the said knowledge.","human_ref_B":"Absolutely.  I don't have a Civil Engineering degree, but hold a license as one. I've spent the last 8 years doing civil engineering stuff in the work place, but the reality is that 90% of the PE exam was foreign to me before I started studying.  FYI - I opened my first book 3 months before my first attempt and failed.  Studied 5 months non stop for my 2nd attempt and passed.  So yes, it's possible.  Good luck!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5083.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"7w72m4","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Engineers of reddit, is it possible, in your honest opinion, that a driven individual can self teach engineering IF they have a great broad understanding of calculus, physics and chemistry? Can that individual self teach the intuition that is taught at undergraduate engineering programs(eg areospace, electrical and computer, robotics)? Or would it be better to just go to university to attain this knowledge?","c_root_id_A":"dty9gw1","c_root_id_B":"dtyl9vt","created_at_utc_A":1518124098,"created_at_utc_B":1518136011,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I got my Masters' (renewable energy engineering) so I'd stop reinventing the wheel. Sometimes I felt like half the stuff in the courses was \"When someone has this idea, again, they're wrong. Here's why.\"","human_ref_B":"It took me until half way through my senior year until a realized the whole point of a four year Engineering degree. It's exactly that intuition. Sadly, I don't believe you can self teach it. I realize that what I really learned was an ability to look at problems a certain way and that I have this toolbox of math, physics, and chemistry that I can throw at problems. Sadly, I do not think you can teach yourself that experience.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11913.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"7w72m4","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Engineers of reddit, is it possible, in your honest opinion, that a driven individual can self teach engineering IF they have a great broad understanding of calculus, physics and chemistry? Can that individual self teach the intuition that is taught at undergraduate engineering programs(eg areospace, electrical and computer, robotics)? Or would it be better to just go to university to attain this knowledge?","c_root_id_A":"dtyfc2g","c_root_id_B":"dtyl9vt","created_at_utc_A":1518129677,"created_at_utc_B":1518136011,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"As a victim of going through the ordeal of unlearning, self learning creates more harm than learning of the said knowledge.","human_ref_B":"It took me until half way through my senior year until a realized the whole point of a four year Engineering degree. It's exactly that intuition. Sadly, I don't believe you can self teach it. I realize that what I really learned was an ability to look at problems a certain way and that I have this toolbox of math, physics, and chemistry that I can throw at problems. Sadly, I do not think you can teach yourself that experience.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6334.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"thq2ha","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Is it too early to get offers from Technician jobs as a new grad? I\u2019ve chosen a city to really double-down in with my job search, and I have been getting denied from entry-level engineering jobs there. So, I\u2019ve started applying to Engineering Technician jobs that typically require High School+4yrs or Associates+2yr. I like the hands-on aspect of it and I think it\u2019s a great way to start my career (often at the same pay).   Anyways, I\u2019ve been getting denied with no explanation at those jobs too. I don\u2019t think my resume is the problem, because I tailor it to each job description and I have 1yr of research\/manufacturing experience on top of my B.S. in Aerospace Engineering.   I had a phone interview with a recruiter for a space industry test technician role, and everything went great right up until the end of the call when he asked when I could start and I said I needed to attend graduation in early May (my grad date was on my resume) and he told me \u201cwell normally this position hires pretty quickly, 2 months is a long time\u2026\u201d  I\u2019ve gotten denied for a dozen tech roles in the past week or so, so I\u2019m just wondering, since engineering typically has some of the longest on boarding times, are the technical roles usually really quick to onboard? None of the job listings mention a start date. I\u2019m just baffled that a recruiter was surprised that I was applying to a position with the intention of starting two months from now\u2026 Because it even seems like I\u2019m kinda late in the game at this point.","c_root_id_A":"i19nwyp","c_root_id_B":"i1a6dr7","created_at_utc_A":1647688037,"created_at_utc_B":1647699381,"score_A":8,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"I do feel like technical roles can be quicker to onboard. Though you may be a highly qualified engineer there are others who have technical experience and can start right away","human_ref_B":"I'm not interested in hiring someone who wants to be an engineer into a tech role; will probably have to find a new tech within one year.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11344.0,"score_ratio":1.125}
{"post_id":"thq2ha","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Is it too early to get offers from Technician jobs as a new grad? I\u2019ve chosen a city to really double-down in with my job search, and I have been getting denied from entry-level engineering jobs there. So, I\u2019ve started applying to Engineering Technician jobs that typically require High School+4yrs or Associates+2yr. I like the hands-on aspect of it and I think it\u2019s a great way to start my career (often at the same pay).   Anyways, I\u2019ve been getting denied with no explanation at those jobs too. I don\u2019t think my resume is the problem, because I tailor it to each job description and I have 1yr of research\/manufacturing experience on top of my B.S. in Aerospace Engineering.   I had a phone interview with a recruiter for a space industry test technician role, and everything went great right up until the end of the call when he asked when I could start and I said I needed to attend graduation in early May (my grad date was on my resume) and he told me \u201cwell normally this position hires pretty quickly, 2 months is a long time\u2026\u201d  I\u2019ve gotten denied for a dozen tech roles in the past week or so, so I\u2019m just wondering, since engineering typically has some of the longest on boarding times, are the technical roles usually really quick to onboard? None of the job listings mention a start date. I\u2019m just baffled that a recruiter was surprised that I was applying to a position with the intention of starting two months from now\u2026 Because it even seems like I\u2019m kinda late in the game at this point.","c_root_id_A":"i19mrzi","c_root_id_B":"i1a6dr7","created_at_utc_A":1647687107,"created_at_utc_B":1647699381,"score_A":3,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Yeah i did it when I first graduated. It's a great way to get your foot in the door as well as learn what the company is really like.","human_ref_B":"I'm not interested in hiring someone who wants to be an engineer into a tech role; will probably have to find a new tech within one year.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":12274.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"thq2ha","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Is it too early to get offers from Technician jobs as a new grad? I\u2019ve chosen a city to really double-down in with my job search, and I have been getting denied from entry-level engineering jobs there. So, I\u2019ve started applying to Engineering Technician jobs that typically require High School+4yrs or Associates+2yr. I like the hands-on aspect of it and I think it\u2019s a great way to start my career (often at the same pay).   Anyways, I\u2019ve been getting denied with no explanation at those jobs too. I don\u2019t think my resume is the problem, because I tailor it to each job description and I have 1yr of research\/manufacturing experience on top of my B.S. in Aerospace Engineering.   I had a phone interview with a recruiter for a space industry test technician role, and everything went great right up until the end of the call when he asked when I could start and I said I needed to attend graduation in early May (my grad date was on my resume) and he told me \u201cwell normally this position hires pretty quickly, 2 months is a long time\u2026\u201d  I\u2019ve gotten denied for a dozen tech roles in the past week or so, so I\u2019m just wondering, since engineering typically has some of the longest on boarding times, are the technical roles usually really quick to onboard? None of the job listings mention a start date. I\u2019m just baffled that a recruiter was surprised that I was applying to a position with the intention of starting two months from now\u2026 Because it even seems like I\u2019m kinda late in the game at this point.","c_root_id_A":"i19nwyp","c_root_id_B":"i19mrzi","created_at_utc_A":1647688037,"created_at_utc_B":1647687107,"score_A":8,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I do feel like technical roles can be quicker to onboard. Though you may be a highly qualified engineer there are others who have technical experience and can start right away","human_ref_B":"Yeah i did it when I first graduated. It's a great way to get your foot in the door as well as learn what the company is really like.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":930.0,"score_ratio":2.6666666667}
{"post_id":"1qsf6e","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"How would you design\/build a structure (like a monument) on the surface of the earth if the only goal was for that structure to last as long as possible? Let's say it's thousands or millions of years in the future, 'intelligent life' is long gone, but there's probably cockroaches, bacteria, etc. An alien race comes down and the earth is just dominated. Pyramids worn down to nubs, cities leveled, the whole deal... there's nothing left.  Except just this one monument, because it was only designed to last. That's it.  * How would you make that monument? * Where would you put it? * What would it be made out of primarily? * How large would it be? What shape?  This isn't a homework problem or anything. It's just an idea i've had for a project that keeps popping back up in my head. I guess it's because after all is said and done and all the people are gone or they've left earth and have come back eons later, if the only thing left is this thing, then whoever built it basically wins the real version of Civilization V.  You get to write history however you wanted it, in your own words and diagrams.  Winston Churchill said \"History will be kind to me, for I intend to write it\", which is a badass quote, but also brings up a good point, which is history is written by the winners.  If after everything is long gone and forgotten, some future civilization stumbles upon your monument because it's the only thing left and it's a big statue of you, then hell..as far as they know, you were the Greatest Emperor of All Time. Because it'll say so, in pictograms most likely, at the base.  I'm just curious if any other engineers find this intriguing. Also, let's put an arbitrary cap on the budget at $50million USD in 2013.","c_root_id_A":"cdg2tet","c_root_id_B":"cdfzgn8","created_at_utc_A":1384655014,"created_at_utc_B":1384645800,"score_A":12,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"http:\/\/longnow.org\/clock\/","human_ref_B":"For $50MM, I don't really think you can design much of anything that will proclaim you as the greatest emperor ever a million years in the future (especially not if it's supposed to be visible to some alien surveying team flying by) - things just aren't durable and cheap enough - a titanium pyramid would only be 30-40 feet tall (assuming my quick google search for prices and densities are right and I'm doing math in my head correctly)  That said, if I wanted to make something actually findable 1MM+ years from now, I'd do something like:  Leave something really massive and shiny at one of the stable trojan points (metallic cube with info inside about how awesome I am)    Dig out something that couldn't be mistaken for meteors or anything somewhere that erosion isn't a problem (say 100ft deep\/100ft wide writing on the surface of the moon","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9214.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"1qsf6e","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"How would you design\/build a structure (like a monument) on the surface of the earth if the only goal was for that structure to last as long as possible? Let's say it's thousands or millions of years in the future, 'intelligent life' is long gone, but there's probably cockroaches, bacteria, etc. An alien race comes down and the earth is just dominated. Pyramids worn down to nubs, cities leveled, the whole deal... there's nothing left.  Except just this one monument, because it was only designed to last. That's it.  * How would you make that monument? * Where would you put it? * What would it be made out of primarily? * How large would it be? What shape?  This isn't a homework problem or anything. It's just an idea i've had for a project that keeps popping back up in my head. I guess it's because after all is said and done and all the people are gone or they've left earth and have come back eons later, if the only thing left is this thing, then whoever built it basically wins the real version of Civilization V.  You get to write history however you wanted it, in your own words and diagrams.  Winston Churchill said \"History will be kind to me, for I intend to write it\", which is a badass quote, but also brings up a good point, which is history is written by the winners.  If after everything is long gone and forgotten, some future civilization stumbles upon your monument because it's the only thing left and it's a big statue of you, then hell..as far as they know, you were the Greatest Emperor of All Time. Because it'll say so, in pictograms most likely, at the base.  I'm just curious if any other engineers find this intriguing. Also, let's put an arbitrary cap on the budget at $50million USD in 2013.","c_root_id_A":"cdg1es6","c_root_id_B":"cdg2tet","created_at_utc_A":1384651107,"created_at_utc_B":1384655014,"score_A":7,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"It's too bad it has to be on the surface.  With that budget, I'd go for a satellite, somewhat beyond geosynchronous orbit.  I think it would last much longer than anything you could put on the surface.  And the ability to create an artificial satellite is evidence of far more technological advancement than the ability to make a giant pyramid or something.  With fairly large reflective surfaces, such a thing could be (occasionally) visible from the ground.  Some corner-cube radar reflectors could help it garner the attention of passing aliens.  Maybe even a solar-powered burst radio transmitter, though making that last long enough would be very challenging.","human_ref_B":"http:\/\/longnow.org\/clock\/","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3907.0,"score_ratio":1.7142857143}
{"post_id":"1qsf6e","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"How would you design\/build a structure (like a monument) on the surface of the earth if the only goal was for that structure to last as long as possible? Let's say it's thousands or millions of years in the future, 'intelligent life' is long gone, but there's probably cockroaches, bacteria, etc. An alien race comes down and the earth is just dominated. Pyramids worn down to nubs, cities leveled, the whole deal... there's nothing left.  Except just this one monument, because it was only designed to last. That's it.  * How would you make that monument? * Where would you put it? * What would it be made out of primarily? * How large would it be? What shape?  This isn't a homework problem or anything. It's just an idea i've had for a project that keeps popping back up in my head. I guess it's because after all is said and done and all the people are gone or they've left earth and have come back eons later, if the only thing left is this thing, then whoever built it basically wins the real version of Civilization V.  You get to write history however you wanted it, in your own words and diagrams.  Winston Churchill said \"History will be kind to me, for I intend to write it\", which is a badass quote, but also brings up a good point, which is history is written by the winners.  If after everything is long gone and forgotten, some future civilization stumbles upon your monument because it's the only thing left and it's a big statue of you, then hell..as far as they know, you were the Greatest Emperor of All Time. Because it'll say so, in pictograms most likely, at the base.  I'm just curious if any other engineers find this intriguing. Also, let's put an arbitrary cap on the budget at $50million USD in 2013.","c_root_id_A":"cdg2tet","c_root_id_B":"cdfyu6r","created_at_utc_A":1384655014,"created_at_utc_B":1384644143,"score_A":12,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"http:\/\/longnow.org\/clock\/","human_ref_B":"pour a solid steel cube ten miles long ten miles wide ten miles tall.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10871.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"1qsf6e","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"How would you design\/build a structure (like a monument) on the surface of the earth if the only goal was for that structure to last as long as possible? Let's say it's thousands or millions of years in the future, 'intelligent life' is long gone, but there's probably cockroaches, bacteria, etc. An alien race comes down and the earth is just dominated. Pyramids worn down to nubs, cities leveled, the whole deal... there's nothing left.  Except just this one monument, because it was only designed to last. That's it.  * How would you make that monument? * Where would you put it? * What would it be made out of primarily? * How large would it be? What shape?  This isn't a homework problem or anything. It's just an idea i've had for a project that keeps popping back up in my head. I guess it's because after all is said and done and all the people are gone or they've left earth and have come back eons later, if the only thing left is this thing, then whoever built it basically wins the real version of Civilization V.  You get to write history however you wanted it, in your own words and diagrams.  Winston Churchill said \"History will be kind to me, for I intend to write it\", which is a badass quote, but also brings up a good point, which is history is written by the winners.  If after everything is long gone and forgotten, some future civilization stumbles upon your monument because it's the only thing left and it's a big statue of you, then hell..as far as they know, you were the Greatest Emperor of All Time. Because it'll say so, in pictograms most likely, at the base.  I'm just curious if any other engineers find this intriguing. Also, let's put an arbitrary cap on the budget at $50million USD in 2013.","c_root_id_A":"cdfzgn8","c_root_id_B":"cdfyu6r","created_at_utc_A":1384645800,"created_at_utc_B":1384644143,"score_A":9,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"For $50MM, I don't really think you can design much of anything that will proclaim you as the greatest emperor ever a million years in the future (especially not if it's supposed to be visible to some alien surveying team flying by) - things just aren't durable and cheap enough - a titanium pyramid would only be 30-40 feet tall (assuming my quick google search for prices and densities are right and I'm doing math in my head correctly)  That said, if I wanted to make something actually findable 1MM+ years from now, I'd do something like:  Leave something really massive and shiny at one of the stable trojan points (metallic cube with info inside about how awesome I am)    Dig out something that couldn't be mistaken for meteors or anything somewhere that erosion isn't a problem (say 100ft deep\/100ft wide writing on the surface of the moon","human_ref_B":"pour a solid steel cube ten miles long ten miles wide ten miles tall.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1657.0,"score_ratio":2.25}
{"post_id":"1qsf6e","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"How would you design\/build a structure (like a monument) on the surface of the earth if the only goal was for that structure to last as long as possible? Let's say it's thousands or millions of years in the future, 'intelligent life' is long gone, but there's probably cockroaches, bacteria, etc. An alien race comes down and the earth is just dominated. Pyramids worn down to nubs, cities leveled, the whole deal... there's nothing left.  Except just this one monument, because it was only designed to last. That's it.  * How would you make that monument? * Where would you put it? * What would it be made out of primarily? * How large would it be? What shape?  This isn't a homework problem or anything. It's just an idea i've had for a project that keeps popping back up in my head. I guess it's because after all is said and done and all the people are gone or they've left earth and have come back eons later, if the only thing left is this thing, then whoever built it basically wins the real version of Civilization V.  You get to write history however you wanted it, in your own words and diagrams.  Winston Churchill said \"History will be kind to me, for I intend to write it\", which is a badass quote, but also brings up a good point, which is history is written by the winners.  If after everything is long gone and forgotten, some future civilization stumbles upon your monument because it's the only thing left and it's a big statue of you, then hell..as far as they know, you were the Greatest Emperor of All Time. Because it'll say so, in pictograms most likely, at the base.  I'm just curious if any other engineers find this intriguing. Also, let's put an arbitrary cap on the budget at $50million USD in 2013.","c_root_id_A":"cdfyu6r","c_root_id_B":"cdg1es6","created_at_utc_A":1384644143,"created_at_utc_B":1384651107,"score_A":4,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"pour a solid steel cube ten miles long ten miles wide ten miles tall.","human_ref_B":"It's too bad it has to be on the surface.  With that budget, I'd go for a satellite, somewhat beyond geosynchronous orbit.  I think it would last much longer than anything you could put on the surface.  And the ability to create an artificial satellite is evidence of far more technological advancement than the ability to make a giant pyramid or something.  With fairly large reflective surfaces, such a thing could be (occasionally) visible from the ground.  Some corner-cube radar reflectors could help it garner the attention of passing aliens.  Maybe even a solar-powered burst radio transmitter, though making that last long enough would be very challenging.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6964.0,"score_ratio":1.75}
{"post_id":"1qsf6e","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"How would you design\/build a structure (like a monument) on the surface of the earth if the only goal was for that structure to last as long as possible? Let's say it's thousands or millions of years in the future, 'intelligent life' is long gone, but there's probably cockroaches, bacteria, etc. An alien race comes down and the earth is just dominated. Pyramids worn down to nubs, cities leveled, the whole deal... there's nothing left.  Except just this one monument, because it was only designed to last. That's it.  * How would you make that monument? * Where would you put it? * What would it be made out of primarily? * How large would it be? What shape?  This isn't a homework problem or anything. It's just an idea i've had for a project that keeps popping back up in my head. I guess it's because after all is said and done and all the people are gone or they've left earth and have come back eons later, if the only thing left is this thing, then whoever built it basically wins the real version of Civilization V.  You get to write history however you wanted it, in your own words and diagrams.  Winston Churchill said \"History will be kind to me, for I intend to write it\", which is a badass quote, but also brings up a good point, which is history is written by the winners.  If after everything is long gone and forgotten, some future civilization stumbles upon your monument because it's the only thing left and it's a big statue of you, then hell..as far as they know, you were the Greatest Emperor of All Time. Because it'll say so, in pictograms most likely, at the base.  I'm just curious if any other engineers find this intriguing. Also, let's put an arbitrary cap on the budget at $50million USD in 2013.","c_root_id_A":"cdg748i","c_root_id_B":"cdg7mj6","created_at_utc_A":1384667364,"created_at_utc_B":1384669035,"score_A":3,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Obsidian Stone blocks with something similar to a maze garden, also in stone.. in a desert, like the atacama desert. I'd spend a lot of money on location and automated build systems.  Somewhere exceptionally dry, and exceptionally geologically boring and exceptionally low wind. Low humidity. Techtonically stable side of the plate.  There are very simple small rock formations there that are exceptionally old.  Obsidian is a stone which has a known moisture absorption rate. Its already low moisture too. I worry that in the desert even the tiny amount of moisture will condense and absorb and crack normal stone. I might also encase something radioactive at the bottom, which would serve as a becon.   Thinking of dino bones.. they get burried. the next issue would to use CFD to model the maze garden around the structure to act as a weak air pump. This would (when the wind did blow) gently blow away atmospheric dust, which is blown all over the globe.  Next two issues would be abrasion resistance and solar radiation. Assuming the tempering on the obsidian is right, it's already damn hard. A coating of silicon carbide is even harder. Throw in some titanium in powder form, mix it with cement bonder and a fiberglass mesh and it's now basically a solar reflective cutting blade. I'd need to think about expansion and contraction with temperature, and the size\/slope scale in model.. it might be better to try and melt the obsidian at the surface and surface coat the material, or mix and cast.  Basically then it's, as big (spread out) as possible, to be noticed, before running out of funds. Humans are expensive... so Basically a solar powered automated factory in the attacama collecting rocks, melting them... and with lots of little wally robots puking out obsidian car sized blocks until they all broke.  Part two is mine a genetically modified version of something.. probably a plant or bacteria, that grows or in some particular way in order to send out a message. The only trick is controlling the message and making it understandable, and making it not evolve too much to destroy the message. Reproduction cycles slow in cold temperature, so maybe a cold bacteria.","human_ref_B":"I would steal ideas from these folks:   How do you design a \u201cKeep Out!\u201d sign to last 10,000 years? The Department of Energy is creating a vast monument to scare future trespassers away from radioactive waste sites. Their plan: A granite Stonehenge thing with warnings in Navajo!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1671.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"1qsf6e","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"How would you design\/build a structure (like a monument) on the surface of the earth if the only goal was for that structure to last as long as possible? Let's say it's thousands or millions of years in the future, 'intelligent life' is long gone, but there's probably cockroaches, bacteria, etc. An alien race comes down and the earth is just dominated. Pyramids worn down to nubs, cities leveled, the whole deal... there's nothing left.  Except just this one monument, because it was only designed to last. That's it.  * How would you make that monument? * Where would you put it? * What would it be made out of primarily? * How large would it be? What shape?  This isn't a homework problem or anything. It's just an idea i've had for a project that keeps popping back up in my head. I guess it's because after all is said and done and all the people are gone or they've left earth and have come back eons later, if the only thing left is this thing, then whoever built it basically wins the real version of Civilization V.  You get to write history however you wanted it, in your own words and diagrams.  Winston Churchill said \"History will be kind to me, for I intend to write it\", which is a badass quote, but also brings up a good point, which is history is written by the winners.  If after everything is long gone and forgotten, some future civilization stumbles upon your monument because it's the only thing left and it's a big statue of you, then hell..as far as they know, you were the Greatest Emperor of All Time. Because it'll say so, in pictograms most likely, at the base.  I'm just curious if any other engineers find this intriguing. Also, let's put an arbitrary cap on the budget at $50million USD in 2013.","c_root_id_A":"cdg7mj6","c_root_id_B":"cdfyu6r","created_at_utc_A":1384669035,"created_at_utc_B":1384644143,"score_A":6,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I would steal ideas from these folks:   How do you design a \u201cKeep Out!\u201d sign to last 10,000 years? The Department of Energy is creating a vast monument to scare future trespassers away from radioactive waste sites. Their plan: A granite Stonehenge thing with warnings in Navajo!","human_ref_B":"pour a solid steel cube ten miles long ten miles wide ten miles tall.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":24892.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"1qsf6e","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"How would you design\/build a structure (like a monument) on the surface of the earth if the only goal was for that structure to last as long as possible? Let's say it's thousands or millions of years in the future, 'intelligent life' is long gone, but there's probably cockroaches, bacteria, etc. An alien race comes down and the earth is just dominated. Pyramids worn down to nubs, cities leveled, the whole deal... there's nothing left.  Except just this one monument, because it was only designed to last. That's it.  * How would you make that monument? * Where would you put it? * What would it be made out of primarily? * How large would it be? What shape?  This isn't a homework problem or anything. It's just an idea i've had for a project that keeps popping back up in my head. I guess it's because after all is said and done and all the people are gone or they've left earth and have come back eons later, if the only thing left is this thing, then whoever built it basically wins the real version of Civilization V.  You get to write history however you wanted it, in your own words and diagrams.  Winston Churchill said \"History will be kind to me, for I intend to write it\", which is a badass quote, but also brings up a good point, which is history is written by the winners.  If after everything is long gone and forgotten, some future civilization stumbles upon your monument because it's the only thing left and it's a big statue of you, then hell..as far as they know, you were the Greatest Emperor of All Time. Because it'll say so, in pictograms most likely, at the base.  I'm just curious if any other engineers find this intriguing. Also, let's put an arbitrary cap on the budget at $50million USD in 2013.","c_root_id_A":"cdg7mj6","c_root_id_B":"cdg4asb","created_at_utc_A":1384669035,"created_at_utc_B":1384659140,"score_A":6,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I would steal ideas from these folks:   How do you design a \u201cKeep Out!\u201d sign to last 10,000 years? The Department of Energy is creating a vast monument to scare future trespassers away from radioactive waste sites. Their plan: A granite Stonehenge thing with warnings in Navajo!","human_ref_B":"Diamond sculpture on Mt Everest.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9895.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"1qsf6e","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"How would you design\/build a structure (like a monument) on the surface of the earth if the only goal was for that structure to last as long as possible? Let's say it's thousands or millions of years in the future, 'intelligent life' is long gone, but there's probably cockroaches, bacteria, etc. An alien race comes down and the earth is just dominated. Pyramids worn down to nubs, cities leveled, the whole deal... there's nothing left.  Except just this one monument, because it was only designed to last. That's it.  * How would you make that monument? * Where would you put it? * What would it be made out of primarily? * How large would it be? What shape?  This isn't a homework problem or anything. It's just an idea i've had for a project that keeps popping back up in my head. I guess it's because after all is said and done and all the people are gone or they've left earth and have come back eons later, if the only thing left is this thing, then whoever built it basically wins the real version of Civilization V.  You get to write history however you wanted it, in your own words and diagrams.  Winston Churchill said \"History will be kind to me, for I intend to write it\", which is a badass quote, but also brings up a good point, which is history is written by the winners.  If after everything is long gone and forgotten, some future civilization stumbles upon your monument because it's the only thing left and it's a big statue of you, then hell..as far as they know, you were the Greatest Emperor of All Time. Because it'll say so, in pictograms most likely, at the base.  I'm just curious if any other engineers find this intriguing. Also, let's put an arbitrary cap on the budget at $50million USD in 2013.","c_root_id_A":"cdg748i","c_root_id_B":"cdg4asb","created_at_utc_A":1384667364,"created_at_utc_B":1384659140,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Obsidian Stone blocks with something similar to a maze garden, also in stone.. in a desert, like the atacama desert. I'd spend a lot of money on location and automated build systems.  Somewhere exceptionally dry, and exceptionally geologically boring and exceptionally low wind. Low humidity. Techtonically stable side of the plate.  There are very simple small rock formations there that are exceptionally old.  Obsidian is a stone which has a known moisture absorption rate. Its already low moisture too. I worry that in the desert even the tiny amount of moisture will condense and absorb and crack normal stone. I might also encase something radioactive at the bottom, which would serve as a becon.   Thinking of dino bones.. they get burried. the next issue would to use CFD to model the maze garden around the structure to act as a weak air pump. This would (when the wind did blow) gently blow away atmospheric dust, which is blown all over the globe.  Next two issues would be abrasion resistance and solar radiation. Assuming the tempering on the obsidian is right, it's already damn hard. A coating of silicon carbide is even harder. Throw in some titanium in powder form, mix it with cement bonder and a fiberglass mesh and it's now basically a solar reflective cutting blade. I'd need to think about expansion and contraction with temperature, and the size\/slope scale in model.. it might be better to try and melt the obsidian at the surface and surface coat the material, or mix and cast.  Basically then it's, as big (spread out) as possible, to be noticed, before running out of funds. Humans are expensive... so Basically a solar powered automated factory in the attacama collecting rocks, melting them... and with lots of little wally robots puking out obsidian car sized blocks until they all broke.  Part two is mine a genetically modified version of something.. probably a plant or bacteria, that grows or in some particular way in order to send out a message. The only trick is controlling the message and making it understandable, and making it not evolve too much to destroy the message. Reproduction cycles slow in cold temperature, so maybe a cold bacteria.","human_ref_B":"Diamond sculpture on Mt Everest.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8224.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"1qsf6e","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"How would you design\/build a structure (like a monument) on the surface of the earth if the only goal was for that structure to last as long as possible? Let's say it's thousands or millions of years in the future, 'intelligent life' is long gone, but there's probably cockroaches, bacteria, etc. An alien race comes down and the earth is just dominated. Pyramids worn down to nubs, cities leveled, the whole deal... there's nothing left.  Except just this one monument, because it was only designed to last. That's it.  * How would you make that monument? * Where would you put it? * What would it be made out of primarily? * How large would it be? What shape?  This isn't a homework problem or anything. It's just an idea i've had for a project that keeps popping back up in my head. I guess it's because after all is said and done and all the people are gone or they've left earth and have come back eons later, if the only thing left is this thing, then whoever built it basically wins the real version of Civilization V.  You get to write history however you wanted it, in your own words and diagrams.  Winston Churchill said \"History will be kind to me, for I intend to write it\", which is a badass quote, but also brings up a good point, which is history is written by the winners.  If after everything is long gone and forgotten, some future civilization stumbles upon your monument because it's the only thing left and it's a big statue of you, then hell..as far as they know, you were the Greatest Emperor of All Time. Because it'll say so, in pictograms most likely, at the base.  I'm just curious if any other engineers find this intriguing. Also, let's put an arbitrary cap on the budget at $50million USD in 2013.","c_root_id_A":"cdgbnc2","c_root_id_B":"cdg4asb","created_at_utc_A":1384692123,"created_at_utc_B":1384659140,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I'm going to take a slightly different approach than most posts here. I'm going to lay an insulated steel (or stainless steel if my budget allows) cable across the ocean, maybe from South Africa to Canada. The idea is to leave something that will disturb the Earth's magnetic field in a measurable way.   If you want to leave a message, maybe instead of a cable we do a ribbon with a message etched on it, repeating every couple miles.   I fully expect over a million years that my cable will get mutilated, but given the size and distances covered, many segments will remain. One of my goals thinking about this was to not only protect it from the elements but also from people. If I build a gleaming pyramid, it'll go the same way as the Egyptian pyramids: the valuable pieces removed centuries later. By dropping mine in the ocean across thousands of miles, I keep it out of reach.","human_ref_B":"Diamond sculpture on Mt Everest.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":32983.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"1qsf6e","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"How would you design\/build a structure (like a monument) on the surface of the earth if the only goal was for that structure to last as long as possible? Let's say it's thousands or millions of years in the future, 'intelligent life' is long gone, but there's probably cockroaches, bacteria, etc. An alien race comes down and the earth is just dominated. Pyramids worn down to nubs, cities leveled, the whole deal... there's nothing left.  Except just this one monument, because it was only designed to last. That's it.  * How would you make that monument? * Where would you put it? * What would it be made out of primarily? * How large would it be? What shape?  This isn't a homework problem or anything. It's just an idea i've had for a project that keeps popping back up in my head. I guess it's because after all is said and done and all the people are gone or they've left earth and have come back eons later, if the only thing left is this thing, then whoever built it basically wins the real version of Civilization V.  You get to write history however you wanted it, in your own words and diagrams.  Winston Churchill said \"History will be kind to me, for I intend to write it\", which is a badass quote, but also brings up a good point, which is history is written by the winners.  If after everything is long gone and forgotten, some future civilization stumbles upon your monument because it's the only thing left and it's a big statue of you, then hell..as far as they know, you were the Greatest Emperor of All Time. Because it'll say so, in pictograms most likely, at the base.  I'm just curious if any other engineers find this intriguing. Also, let's put an arbitrary cap on the budget at $50million USD in 2013.","c_root_id_A":"cdgbnc2","c_root_id_B":"cdga0my","created_at_utc_A":1384692123,"created_at_utc_B":1384679924,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I'm going to take a slightly different approach than most posts here. I'm going to lay an insulated steel (or stainless steel if my budget allows) cable across the ocean, maybe from South Africa to Canada. The idea is to leave something that will disturb the Earth's magnetic field in a measurable way.   If you want to leave a message, maybe instead of a cable we do a ribbon with a message etched on it, repeating every couple miles.   I fully expect over a million years that my cable will get mutilated, but given the size and distances covered, many segments will remain. One of my goals thinking about this was to not only protect it from the elements but also from people. If I build a gleaming pyramid, it'll go the same way as the Egyptian pyramids: the valuable pieces removed centuries later. By dropping mine in the ocean across thousands of miles, I keep it out of reach.","human_ref_B":"This sort of thing is talked about in Deep Time: How Humanity Communicates Across Millennia by Gregory Benford.  I recommend you check it out.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":12199.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"fh36kn","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Are there any simple industry-standard protocols for triggering events in a factory automation setting? I'm working on a device that is ordinarily controlled over USB, but it may see some use in a factory automation setting. Basically, once configured, it could be fed a simple trigger pulse to begin a measurement and respond with a similar pulse when it's done. In the simplest case, I'm picturing a microswitch or beam-break to begin measurements in time with a conveyor belt or whatever.  Anyway, are there any industry-standards for this kind of connection? I don't need anything complicated like a CAN bus. I'm considering using a simple phono plug with an opto-isolator, but I'd like to conform to a standard if one exists.","c_root_id_A":"fk9epw3","c_root_id_B":"fk8pi1w","created_at_utc_A":1583974572,"created_at_utc_B":1583960431,"score_A":7,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"The industry standard is a field bus, such as ethernet IP, DeviceNET, EtherCAT, etc, or dry contacts.  &#x200B;  An output for your device would be two provided terminals on a relay. Your device opens\/closes the relay by controlling the coil of the relay.  &#x200B;  An input for your device would be two wires that are expected to be connected to a switch\/relay that is controlled by something else. Your conveyor prox or conveyor PLC would control the relay coil, you would use the switched contacts.  Its the industrial version of opto isolating. The beauty is that it allows for essentially any signal voltage, and signal voltage mismatches. Customer wants to use a 3.3 volt input signal and 120v AC output signal? All they need is a relay with a 120v coil and you are good to go.","human_ref_B":"The ultimate, bare bones, simplest way to do it is a relay. It costs $10. You could also use a transistor. Both technologies are older than your grandparents.  For a relay, when you send power to the coil (control side), it closes a circuit for the contact (the thingy you're powering up). There are no direct connections, it's an electromagnet. You commonly use 24V DC current, 120V AC current, or less commonly almost anything you can think of.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":14141.0,"score_ratio":2.3333333333}
{"post_id":"fh36kn","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Are there any simple industry-standard protocols for triggering events in a factory automation setting? I'm working on a device that is ordinarily controlled over USB, but it may see some use in a factory automation setting. Basically, once configured, it could be fed a simple trigger pulse to begin a measurement and respond with a similar pulse when it's done. In the simplest case, I'm picturing a microswitch or beam-break to begin measurements in time with a conveyor belt or whatever.  Anyway, are there any industry-standards for this kind of connection? I don't need anything complicated like a CAN bus. I'm considering using a simple phono plug with an opto-isolator, but I'd like to conform to a standard if one exists.","c_root_id_A":"fk9epw3","c_root_id_B":"fk94jt9","created_at_utc_A":1583974572,"created_at_utc_B":1583968569,"score_A":7,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"The industry standard is a field bus, such as ethernet IP, DeviceNET, EtherCAT, etc, or dry contacts.  &#x200B;  An output for your device would be two provided terminals on a relay. Your device opens\/closes the relay by controlling the coil of the relay.  &#x200B;  An input for your device would be two wires that are expected to be connected to a switch\/relay that is controlled by something else. Your conveyor prox or conveyor PLC would control the relay coil, you would use the switched contacts.  Its the industrial version of opto isolating. The beauty is that it allows for essentially any signal voltage, and signal voltage mismatches. Customer wants to use a 3.3 volt input signal and 120v AC output signal? All they need is a relay with a 120v coil and you are good to go.","human_ref_B":"I'd prob just do 24V Volts","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6003.0,"score_ratio":3.5}
{"post_id":"2qh9gf","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.74,"history":"I am a fresh graduate with Electrical Engineering degree. I am scared of my first job that I will not be able to do good! I am a fresh graduate with Electrical Engineering degree. I just landed my first job. I feel that I lack technical knowledge and this makes me really nervous that I will be really bad and will not be able to do well. Even though this is the job I always wanted. I want to know from Engineers who have been working on tips and how to survive first few months. I still have 3 more weeks to start working, so can you Engineers out there can you please tell me what homework should I do before joining? Your help is really appreciated and thank you in advance.","c_root_id_A":"cn67oiq","c_root_id_B":"cn64s78","created_at_utc_A":1419644358,"created_at_utc_B":1419637225,"score_A":11,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"\"Fresh outs\" are not expected to know everything.  Honestly they are assumed to know very very little.  Do not be afraid to ask questions and show willingness to learn and adapt to your project.  Your technical abilities will only be one dimension of your skill set.  Documentation, presentation, and interpersonal skills are very important.  If you are willing to learn and work with others you will be fine.","human_ref_B":"http:\/\/www.reddit.com\/r\/AskEngineers\/wiki\/faq#wiki_what_are_some_things_i_can_do_in_my_spare_time_to_make_myself_more_marketable_as_an_engineer.3F","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7133.0,"score_ratio":2.2}
{"post_id":"2qh9gf","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.74,"history":"I am a fresh graduate with Electrical Engineering degree. I am scared of my first job that I will not be able to do good! I am a fresh graduate with Electrical Engineering degree. I just landed my first job. I feel that I lack technical knowledge and this makes me really nervous that I will be really bad and will not be able to do well. Even though this is the job I always wanted. I want to know from Engineers who have been working on tips and how to survive first few months. I still have 3 more weeks to start working, so can you Engineers out there can you please tell me what homework should I do before joining? Your help is really appreciated and thank you in advance.","c_root_id_A":"cn683a0","c_root_id_B":"cn67tdl","created_at_utc_A":1419645388,"created_at_utc_B":1419644694,"score_A":7,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"This is typical, man. New engineers aren't expected to come in and just hard charge and take on projects left and right. That'd actually make me pretty uncomfortable! You're there to learn and absorb, take direction, and gradually start to contribute. Will probably start off with basic tasks and move on from there.  Don't sweat it.","human_ref_B":"You'll be fine. Any company that hires a graduate engineer knows they'll have to do some amount of learning to get up to speed technically.   All you can do is your very best to learn and apply what theoretical knowledge you already have, but there isn't a substitute for the practical on the job experience you'll get. Don't be afraid to ask questions and take initiative in furthering your knowledge on the job using any available resource.  What's the job? Hard to recommended any homework without knowing a rough field\/job area. It might even be worth actually emailing your future boss and ask what he'd recommend you read up on to allow you to hut the ground running when you join.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":694.0,"score_ratio":1.4}
{"post_id":"2qh9gf","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.74,"history":"I am a fresh graduate with Electrical Engineering degree. I am scared of my first job that I will not be able to do good! I am a fresh graduate with Electrical Engineering degree. I just landed my first job. I feel that I lack technical knowledge and this makes me really nervous that I will be really bad and will not be able to do well. Even though this is the job I always wanted. I want to know from Engineers who have been working on tips and how to survive first few months. I still have 3 more weeks to start working, so can you Engineers out there can you please tell me what homework should I do before joining? Your help is really appreciated and thank you in advance.","c_root_id_A":"cn683a0","c_root_id_B":"cn64s78","created_at_utc_A":1419645388,"created_at_utc_B":1419637225,"score_A":7,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"This is typical, man. New engineers aren't expected to come in and just hard charge and take on projects left and right. That'd actually make me pretty uncomfortable! You're there to learn and absorb, take direction, and gradually start to contribute. Will probably start off with basic tasks and move on from there.  Don't sweat it.","human_ref_B":"http:\/\/www.reddit.com\/r\/AskEngineers\/wiki\/faq#wiki_what_are_some_things_i_can_do_in_my_spare_time_to_make_myself_more_marketable_as_an_engineer.3F","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8163.0,"score_ratio":1.4}
{"post_id":"238ipi","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.75,"history":"Question for HVAC engineers: is it more efficient to keep my house a relatively constant temperature, or drop it significantly while I'm away and reheat it when I get back? A local gas company recommends dropping the thermostat by 3 degrees while I'm away for maximum savings, while my roommate insists on dropping it by more than 10 degrees when we're at work, and then reheating it once we get home. I'm wondering which of these methods tends to be more economical in terms of heating costs, and if there's a magic number I should drop the heat by during \"away times\" for optimal efficiency.  Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"cgukiky","c_root_id_B":"cgujhke","created_at_utc_A":1397706991,"created_at_utc_B":1397704634,"score_A":15,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"As others have said, the lower the better. Imagine every day you make hard boiled eggs in the morning and spaghetti in the evening.  While you are gone at work, do you keep the stove boiling water so that the water is ready for you to make spaghetti when you get home or do you shut the stove off and then turn it back on when you get home?  Most people shut it off because they realize it is a waste of energy to leave it on all day.  The same principle is at work with heating your home.","human_ref_B":"Assuming your heating with the same heat source, letting your house cool down as much as possible ( without damage) will save the most money.  There are two common situations where people are not typically always heating with the same heat source. The first is in an apt or condo, where if your place is cooler than your neighbor's place, you will be partially warming your apt with their heat. So the longer period of time and the bigger difference in temp with your neighbours, the better your bill will be. The second is when you have a heat pump. Normally a heat pump, pumps heat from outside to inside your house and is one of the most efficient ways to heat, but if the temperature gets too far below the thermostat set point the backup heat will kick on. Backup heat is typically resistive electric, and one of the most expensive forms of heat. If you have a heat pump you should leave your temp at a steady rate because you never want the electric heat to kick in.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2357.0,"score_ratio":5.0}
{"post_id":"238ipi","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.75,"history":"Question for HVAC engineers: is it more efficient to keep my house a relatively constant temperature, or drop it significantly while I'm away and reheat it when I get back? A local gas company recommends dropping the thermostat by 3 degrees while I'm away for maximum savings, while my roommate insists on dropping it by more than 10 degrees when we're at work, and then reheating it once we get home. I'm wondering which of these methods tends to be more economical in terms of heating costs, and if there's a magic number I should drop the heat by during \"away times\" for optimal efficiency.  Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"cgulyf3","c_root_id_B":"cgujhke","created_at_utc_A":1397710494,"created_at_utc_B":1397704634,"score_A":14,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"There are two factors that come into play:  * The larger the difference in temperature, the more heat energy escapes over a given period of time, so when you keep your house cooler while you are gone, you are wasting less energy heating up the outside air.  * Heaters and especially heat pumps take some time to reach their peak efficiency, so if it runs continuously to get your house up to temperature, it is heating more efficiently than it does when running for short bursts to keep the house warm.","human_ref_B":"Assuming your heating with the same heat source, letting your house cool down as much as possible ( without damage) will save the most money.  There are two common situations where people are not typically always heating with the same heat source. The first is in an apt or condo, where if your place is cooler than your neighbor's place, you will be partially warming your apt with their heat. So the longer period of time and the bigger difference in temp with your neighbours, the better your bill will be. The second is when you have a heat pump. Normally a heat pump, pumps heat from outside to inside your house and is one of the most efficient ways to heat, but if the temperature gets too far below the thermostat set point the backup heat will kick on. Backup heat is typically resistive electric, and one of the most expensive forms of heat. If you have a heat pump you should leave your temp at a steady rate because you never want the electric heat to kick in.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5860.0,"score_ratio":4.6666666667}
{"post_id":"238ipi","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.75,"history":"Question for HVAC engineers: is it more efficient to keep my house a relatively constant temperature, or drop it significantly while I'm away and reheat it when I get back? A local gas company recommends dropping the thermostat by 3 degrees while I'm away for maximum savings, while my roommate insists on dropping it by more than 10 degrees when we're at work, and then reheating it once we get home. I'm wondering which of these methods tends to be more economical in terms of heating costs, and if there's a magic number I should drop the heat by during \"away times\" for optimal efficiency.  Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"cgulyf3","c_root_id_B":"cgulwca","created_at_utc_A":1397710494,"created_at_utc_B":1397710343,"score_A":14,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"There are two factors that come into play:  * The larger the difference in temperature, the more heat energy escapes over a given period of time, so when you keep your house cooler while you are gone, you are wasting less energy heating up the outside air.  * Heaters and especially heat pumps take some time to reach their peak efficiency, so if it runs continuously to get your house up to temperature, it is heating more efficiently than it does when running for short bursts to keep the house warm.","human_ref_B":"Everyone is saying that it's better (cheaper) to turn the heat much lower when gone. But a lot depends on the efficiency of the house as a whole. If it will loose heat like crazy (older with leaky windows & poor insulation) then this is more true.   It also depends how long you are gone and how long (and efficiently)  it takes the heating system to get back up to normal.   The opposite argument (what the gas company is saying) is that if you let your house cool down too far, it will cost more to bring the house (and everything in it) back up to normal. It's not just the air that needs to be kept warm, but everything.   Let's say you turn it down 10 degrees and after a day, everything in the house is 7-10 degrees colder. Now you get home and turn it back up. The heating system not only has to warm the air, it has to warm everything...the tile on the floor, the metal in the appliances, the dishes, the furniture etc.   The heating system may have to run a full output for 5 hours to heat everything back up....and that may or may not be more expensive that having it maintain the temperature when you are gone.   That is, I think, why they tell us 3 degrees. Any more and it might take more energy to get back to normal.   Of course, it all depends on many factors like the insulation and efficiency of the home and heating system.  Of course, weather and ambient air temperatures will play a part.   I think there is a butter zone but it will different for every home and heating system.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":151.0,"score_ratio":4.6666666667}
{"post_id":"i3of2l","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"If I buried a giant copper coil near some big power lines would the power company notice? Would I be able to get any power from it? I was thinking about this today because I was watching some physics videos about electromagnetism. If I theoretically made a giant loop of copper wire hundreds of feet wide and then buried it near some big power lines, would there be any noticeable effect on the power company's side? And say if I attached some kind of battery to it, would it be possible to charge it or is there some kind of shielding to prevent the power line from interacting with the metals around it?","c_root_id_A":"g0d4y46","c_root_id_B":"g0d5a6w","created_at_utc_A":1596569494,"created_at_utc_B":1596569620,"score_A":4,"score_B":110,"human_ref_A":"I would say yes. They have intense computers systems and I would guess although I do not know for sure, that some utilities, especially utilities in fire prone areas use AI to detect drops in amperage or voltage, not sure which one would be correct in this case.   Sure a electrical engineer could confirm. But like the other guy said, there\u2019s 2 things in US you don\u2019t fuck with. It\u2019s the utilities and the railroad. Both have insane lobbying power","human_ref_B":"Yes this is very much possible and has been done many times. You need to run a very long loop parallel to the lines and very few turns... Even just one. The Mythbusters tried this but they just ran hundreds of turns of wire around a small PVC stand that was mounted to a pallet. It was flawed because they need a physically large loop to receive a significant B field in air.  It's unlikely the power company would notice. The amount of power you could draw would be less than normal variations in even the most sensitive relays.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":126.0,"score_ratio":27.5}
{"post_id":"i3of2l","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"If I buried a giant copper coil near some big power lines would the power company notice? Would I be able to get any power from it? I was thinking about this today because I was watching some physics videos about electromagnetism. If I theoretically made a giant loop of copper wire hundreds of feet wide and then buried it near some big power lines, would there be any noticeable effect on the power company's side? And say if I attached some kind of battery to it, would it be possible to charge it or is there some kind of shielding to prevent the power line from interacting with the metals around it?","c_root_id_A":"g0d9yjl","c_root_id_B":"g0d4y46","created_at_utc_A":1596571330,"created_at_utc_B":1596569494,"score_A":30,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I work in the utility industry.  1. Yes, if you do it right it would work.  2. Yes, people would notice.  3. It is very illegal.  4. It is very dangerous.   Bottom line: pay for the power you use so that people who are actually able to do this work safely can do it for you, and also so you won't get fined out the wazoo.","human_ref_B":"I would say yes. They have intense computers systems and I would guess although I do not know for sure, that some utilities, especially utilities in fire prone areas use AI to detect drops in amperage or voltage, not sure which one would be correct in this case.   Sure a electrical engineer could confirm. But like the other guy said, there\u2019s 2 things in US you don\u2019t fuck with. It\u2019s the utilities and the railroad. Both have insane lobbying power","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1836.0,"score_ratio":7.5}
{"post_id":"i3of2l","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"If I buried a giant copper coil near some big power lines would the power company notice? Would I be able to get any power from it? I was thinking about this today because I was watching some physics videos about electromagnetism. If I theoretically made a giant loop of copper wire hundreds of feet wide and then buried it near some big power lines, would there be any noticeable effect on the power company's side? And say if I attached some kind of battery to it, would it be possible to charge it or is there some kind of shielding to prevent the power line from interacting with the metals around it?","c_root_id_A":"g0ebrrd","c_root_id_B":"g0dbb5j","created_at_utc_A":1596590012,"created_at_utc_B":1596571825,"score_A":26,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"It's possible, but highly dangerous and illegal. I've heard you can get a fancy glass panel that you aim toward the sky and can get free power from, and that there is a huge nuclear fusion reactor in the sky that the government won't tell us about.","human_ref_B":"Yes it's possible, it would be found pretty quickly and you would get some trouble from whatever utility's lines you are stealing from.  Instead of buying tons of copper for a coil, compare the prices of that setup and a solar array if you have the land.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":18187.0,"score_ratio":1.7333333333}
{"post_id":"i3of2l","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"If I buried a giant copper coil near some big power lines would the power company notice? Would I be able to get any power from it? I was thinking about this today because I was watching some physics videos about electromagnetism. If I theoretically made a giant loop of copper wire hundreds of feet wide and then buried it near some big power lines, would there be any noticeable effect on the power company's side? And say if I attached some kind of battery to it, would it be possible to charge it or is there some kind of shielding to prevent the power line from interacting with the metals around it?","c_root_id_A":"g0ebrrd","c_root_id_B":"g0dz6g4","created_at_utc_A":1596590012,"created_at_utc_B":1596582846,"score_A":26,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"It's possible, but highly dangerous and illegal. I've heard you can get a fancy glass panel that you aim toward the sky and can get free power from, and that there is a huge nuclear fusion reactor in the sky that the government won't tell us about.","human_ref_B":"I'm old, and my dad was an electrician back when they were inventing the profession. I remember him talking about this very subject when I was a kid. He was from east Texas, and talked about how the farmers would steel power by stringing lines parallel  to the power lines. Said it worked for a number of years till they all got busted and threatened with big fines. Sorry I can't ask for more details.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7166.0,"score_ratio":3.25}
{"post_id":"i3of2l","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"If I buried a giant copper coil near some big power lines would the power company notice? Would I be able to get any power from it? I was thinking about this today because I was watching some physics videos about electromagnetism. If I theoretically made a giant loop of copper wire hundreds of feet wide and then buried it near some big power lines, would there be any noticeable effect on the power company's side? And say if I attached some kind of battery to it, would it be possible to charge it or is there some kind of shielding to prevent the power line from interacting with the metals around it?","c_root_id_A":"g0ebrrd","c_root_id_B":"g0d4y46","created_at_utc_A":1596590012,"created_at_utc_B":1596569494,"score_A":26,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"It's possible, but highly dangerous and illegal. I've heard you can get a fancy glass panel that you aim toward the sky and can get free power from, and that there is a huge nuclear fusion reactor in the sky that the government won't tell us about.","human_ref_B":"I would say yes. They have intense computers systems and I would guess although I do not know for sure, that some utilities, especially utilities in fire prone areas use AI to detect drops in amperage or voltage, not sure which one would be correct in this case.   Sure a electrical engineer could confirm. But like the other guy said, there\u2019s 2 things in US you don\u2019t fuck with. It\u2019s the utilities and the railroad. Both have insane lobbying power","labels":1,"seconds_difference":20518.0,"score_ratio":6.5}
{"post_id":"i3of2l","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"If I buried a giant copper coil near some big power lines would the power company notice? Would I be able to get any power from it? I was thinking about this today because I was watching some physics videos about electromagnetism. If I theoretically made a giant loop of copper wire hundreds of feet wide and then buried it near some big power lines, would there be any noticeable effect on the power company's side? And say if I attached some kind of battery to it, would it be possible to charge it or is there some kind of shielding to prevent the power line from interacting with the metals around it?","c_root_id_A":"g0dbb5j","c_root_id_B":"g0d4y46","created_at_utc_A":1596571825,"created_at_utc_B":1596569494,"score_A":15,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Yes it's possible, it would be found pretty quickly and you would get some trouble from whatever utility's lines you are stealing from.  Instead of buying tons of copper for a coil, compare the prices of that setup and a solar array if you have the land.","human_ref_B":"I would say yes. They have intense computers systems and I would guess although I do not know for sure, that some utilities, especially utilities in fire prone areas use AI to detect drops in amperage or voltage, not sure which one would be correct in this case.   Sure a electrical engineer could confirm. But like the other guy said, there\u2019s 2 things in US you don\u2019t fuck with. It\u2019s the utilities and the railroad. Both have insane lobbying power","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2331.0,"score_ratio":3.75}
{"post_id":"i3of2l","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"If I buried a giant copper coil near some big power lines would the power company notice? Would I be able to get any power from it? I was thinking about this today because I was watching some physics videos about electromagnetism. If I theoretically made a giant loop of copper wire hundreds of feet wide and then buried it near some big power lines, would there be any noticeable effect on the power company's side? And say if I attached some kind of battery to it, would it be possible to charge it or is there some kind of shielding to prevent the power line from interacting with the metals around it?","c_root_id_A":"g0d4y46","c_root_id_B":"g0dz6g4","created_at_utc_A":1596569494,"created_at_utc_B":1596582846,"score_A":4,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"I would say yes. They have intense computers systems and I would guess although I do not know for sure, that some utilities, especially utilities in fire prone areas use AI to detect drops in amperage or voltage, not sure which one would be correct in this case.   Sure a electrical engineer could confirm. But like the other guy said, there\u2019s 2 things in US you don\u2019t fuck with. It\u2019s the utilities and the railroad. Both have insane lobbying power","human_ref_B":"I'm old, and my dad was an electrician back when they were inventing the profession. I remember him talking about this very subject when I was a kid. He was from east Texas, and talked about how the farmers would steel power by stringing lines parallel  to the power lines. Said it worked for a number of years till they all got busted and threatened with big fines. Sorry I can't ask for more details.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":13352.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"bbzs2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How to create a submersible device that reacts to pressure without electronics? I'm working on a product for the marine industry that dives to a certain depth while being pulled behind a boat.  Naturally, the easiest way to tell depth is from pressure.  The immediate solution is to use electronics to measure pressure. The electronics then control a hydrofoil or sorts to dive up or down. But that means the device needs to be equipped with batteries, be entirely waterproof, etc.   I'm wondering if there's another way to accomplish this. Perhaps a compressible membrane that gradually changes the angle of the hydrofoil as it dives... but this also seems complicated.  Would greatly appreciate input!","c_root_id_A":"ekmvs0b","c_root_id_B":"ekmv1lu","created_at_utc_A":1554994827,"created_at_utc_B":1554994341,"score_A":74,"score_B":22,"human_ref_A":"If you can accurately measure vessel speed and how much line is on the deck you can fairly accurately compute depth. It needs to be modeled for your specific drag profile but once that\u2019s done you can extrapolate with a good degree of accuracy.   This is how we used to do underwater surveying of on small, low budget jobs but in deep water. I haven\u2019t worked in the industry for a few years now so I don\u2019t know if it\u2019s still done that way.   A stiff diaphragm connected to a hydrofoil is brilliant though!","human_ref_B":"Could you use a calibrated spring system that adjusts the angle of the foil by mechanically reacting to the pressure at depth?   Take a piston attached to the foil with a spring system calibrated so the foil is level at the desired depth.   When the pressure on the piston is too low the foil descends when too great it ascends.    If you use a turnbuckle or similar mechanism between the mounting point and the spring you could adjust the tension until the depth is correct.   You could make it simpler than a piston by using flexible, rubbery, material on the exterior that would deform attached to the foil by linkage then control the depth by changing the starting pressure inside the vessel.   Each of these approaches requires at least part of the system is air\/water tight with fixed starting pressure.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":486.0,"score_ratio":3.3636363636}
{"post_id":"bbzs2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How to create a submersible device that reacts to pressure without electronics? I'm working on a product for the marine industry that dives to a certain depth while being pulled behind a boat.  Naturally, the easiest way to tell depth is from pressure.  The immediate solution is to use electronics to measure pressure. The electronics then control a hydrofoil or sorts to dive up or down. But that means the device needs to be equipped with batteries, be entirely waterproof, etc.   I'm wondering if there's another way to accomplish this. Perhaps a compressible membrane that gradually changes the angle of the hydrofoil as it dives... but this also seems complicated.  Would greatly appreciate input!","c_root_id_A":"ekmt3u7","c_root_id_B":"ekmvs0b","created_at_utc_A":1554993032,"created_at_utc_B":1554994827,"score_A":16,"score_B":74,"human_ref_A":"> Perhaps a compressible membrane that gradually changes the angle of the hydrofoil as it dives...  That's, approximately, how old torpedos worked. Fully mechanical, not too complicated, but probably not super accurate or precise since you only get proportional control rather than the full PID.","human_ref_B":"If you can accurately measure vessel speed and how much line is on the deck you can fairly accurately compute depth. It needs to be modeled for your specific drag profile but once that\u2019s done you can extrapolate with a good degree of accuracy.   This is how we used to do underwater surveying of on small, low budget jobs but in deep water. I haven\u2019t worked in the industry for a few years now so I don\u2019t know if it\u2019s still done that way.   A stiff diaphragm connected to a hydrofoil is brilliant though!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1795.0,"score_ratio":4.625}
{"post_id":"bbzs2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How to create a submersible device that reacts to pressure without electronics? I'm working on a product for the marine industry that dives to a certain depth while being pulled behind a boat.  Naturally, the easiest way to tell depth is from pressure.  The immediate solution is to use electronics to measure pressure. The electronics then control a hydrofoil or sorts to dive up or down. But that means the device needs to be equipped with batteries, be entirely waterproof, etc.   I'm wondering if there's another way to accomplish this. Perhaps a compressible membrane that gradually changes the angle of the hydrofoil as it dives... but this also seems complicated.  Would greatly appreciate input!","c_root_id_A":"ekmqhy5","c_root_id_B":"ekmvs0b","created_at_utc_A":1554991346,"created_at_utc_B":1554994827,"score_A":8,"score_B":74,"human_ref_A":"If this is one of those drag behind arrays, one thing you will have to contend with is the surface fluid velocity. It will make it complicated to use pressure based depth sensing.  You might be able to use a linkage to control your decending fins angle based on the angle of the tow attachment line. It would not be super accurate but might be enough.","human_ref_B":"If you can accurately measure vessel speed and how much line is on the deck you can fairly accurately compute depth. It needs to be modeled for your specific drag profile but once that\u2019s done you can extrapolate with a good degree of accuracy.   This is how we used to do underwater surveying of on small, low budget jobs but in deep water. I haven\u2019t worked in the industry for a few years now so I don\u2019t know if it\u2019s still done that way.   A stiff diaphragm connected to a hydrofoil is brilliant though!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3481.0,"score_ratio":9.25}
{"post_id":"bbzs2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How to create a submersible device that reacts to pressure without electronics? I'm working on a product for the marine industry that dives to a certain depth while being pulled behind a boat.  Naturally, the easiest way to tell depth is from pressure.  The immediate solution is to use electronics to measure pressure. The electronics then control a hydrofoil or sorts to dive up or down. But that means the device needs to be equipped with batteries, be entirely waterproof, etc.   I'm wondering if there's another way to accomplish this. Perhaps a compressible membrane that gradually changes the angle of the hydrofoil as it dives... but this also seems complicated.  Would greatly appreciate input!","c_root_id_A":"ekmuzr1","c_root_id_B":"ekmvs0b","created_at_utc_A":1554994306,"created_at_utc_B":1554994827,"score_A":6,"score_B":74,"human_ref_A":"Look into vintage mechanical dive watches, Blancpain and Some other (now gone) brands during the 1950's and 60's used mechanical compression to indicate the water pressure for divers when the watch was an essential tool to go deep diving.","human_ref_B":"If you can accurately measure vessel speed and how much line is on the deck you can fairly accurately compute depth. It needs to be modeled for your specific drag profile but once that\u2019s done you can extrapolate with a good degree of accuracy.   This is how we used to do underwater surveying of on small, low budget jobs but in deep water. I haven\u2019t worked in the industry for a few years now so I don\u2019t know if it\u2019s still done that way.   A stiff diaphragm connected to a hydrofoil is brilliant though!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":521.0,"score_ratio":12.3333333333}
{"post_id":"bbzs2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How to create a submersible device that reacts to pressure without electronics? I'm working on a product for the marine industry that dives to a certain depth while being pulled behind a boat.  Naturally, the easiest way to tell depth is from pressure.  The immediate solution is to use electronics to measure pressure. The electronics then control a hydrofoil or sorts to dive up or down. But that means the device needs to be equipped with batteries, be entirely waterproof, etc.   I'm wondering if there's another way to accomplish this. Perhaps a compressible membrane that gradually changes the angle of the hydrofoil as it dives... but this also seems complicated.  Would greatly appreciate input!","c_root_id_A":"ekmvs0b","c_root_id_B":"ekmnw13","created_at_utc_A":1554994827,"created_at_utc_B":1554989576,"score_A":74,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"If you can accurately measure vessel speed and how much line is on the deck you can fairly accurately compute depth. It needs to be modeled for your specific drag profile but once that\u2019s done you can extrapolate with a good degree of accuracy.   This is how we used to do underwater surveying of on small, low budget jobs but in deep water. I haven\u2019t worked in the industry for a few years now so I don\u2019t know if it\u2019s still done that way.   A stiff diaphragm connected to a hydrofoil is brilliant though!","human_ref_B":"Interesting problem. What kind of depth are we talking? Maybe you could set up something like a fishing bobber and weighted \"hook.\" So you tow the float (mini-boat) and have your negatively bouyant object tied to it. You'd still be dealing with waves though.  Depth could be adjusted by winching up or down on the object.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5251.0,"score_ratio":12.3333333333}
{"post_id":"bbzs2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How to create a submersible device that reacts to pressure without electronics? I'm working on a product for the marine industry that dives to a certain depth while being pulled behind a boat.  Naturally, the easiest way to tell depth is from pressure.  The immediate solution is to use electronics to measure pressure. The electronics then control a hydrofoil or sorts to dive up or down. But that means the device needs to be equipped with batteries, be entirely waterproof, etc.   I'm wondering if there's another way to accomplish this. Perhaps a compressible membrane that gradually changes the angle of the hydrofoil as it dives... but this also seems complicated.  Would greatly appreciate input!","c_root_id_A":"ekmvs0b","c_root_id_B":"ekmoubg","created_at_utc_A":1554994827,"created_at_utc_B":1554990250,"score_A":74,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"If you can accurately measure vessel speed and how much line is on the deck you can fairly accurately compute depth. It needs to be modeled for your specific drag profile but once that\u2019s done you can extrapolate with a good degree of accuracy.   This is how we used to do underwater surveying of on small, low budget jobs but in deep water. I haven\u2019t worked in the industry for a few years now so I don\u2019t know if it\u2019s still done that way.   A stiff diaphragm connected to a hydrofoil is brilliant though!","human_ref_B":"you'd do well to consider how old school incubators worked on chicken farms when controlling the temp. translate from heat to pressure and you've got a potential solution... much like you've already suggested in the post.  however pressure alone won't get you much precision (or accuracy for that matter). as you move through water the pressure around the object will decrease even when its depth is constant. do you care how deep it is or how much pressure it is exposed to?  if you care about DEPTH you might do better with a simple mechanical linkage affecting the foil by the angle of the line used to tow the object.   or if you know how much force would be required to hold it at a desired depth and how fast you'll pull it through the water you could use a static foil.  basically: you haven't described the problem well enough for an answer to be produced quite yet. as Einstein is credited for saying (roughly paraphrased), \"given an hour to answer a life or death question, i would spend 55 minutes perfecting the question, after which the answer would become obvious and i would be done 5 minutes early\".","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4577.0,"score_ratio":14.8}
{"post_id":"bbzs2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How to create a submersible device that reacts to pressure without electronics? I'm working on a product for the marine industry that dives to a certain depth while being pulled behind a boat.  Naturally, the easiest way to tell depth is from pressure.  The immediate solution is to use electronics to measure pressure. The electronics then control a hydrofoil or sorts to dive up or down. But that means the device needs to be equipped with batteries, be entirely waterproof, etc.   I'm wondering if there's another way to accomplish this. Perhaps a compressible membrane that gradually changes the angle of the hydrofoil as it dives... but this also seems complicated.  Would greatly appreciate input!","c_root_id_A":"ekmv1lu","c_root_id_B":"ekmt3u7","created_at_utc_A":1554994341,"created_at_utc_B":1554993032,"score_A":22,"score_B":16,"human_ref_A":"Could you use a calibrated spring system that adjusts the angle of the foil by mechanically reacting to the pressure at depth?   Take a piston attached to the foil with a spring system calibrated so the foil is level at the desired depth.   When the pressure on the piston is too low the foil descends when too great it ascends.    If you use a turnbuckle or similar mechanism between the mounting point and the spring you could adjust the tension until the depth is correct.   You could make it simpler than a piston by using flexible, rubbery, material on the exterior that would deform attached to the foil by linkage then control the depth by changing the starting pressure inside the vessel.   Each of these approaches requires at least part of the system is air\/water tight with fixed starting pressure.","human_ref_B":"> Perhaps a compressible membrane that gradually changes the angle of the hydrofoil as it dives...  That's, approximately, how old torpedos worked. Fully mechanical, not too complicated, but probably not super accurate or precise since you only get proportional control rather than the full PID.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1309.0,"score_ratio":1.375}
{"post_id":"bbzs2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How to create a submersible device that reacts to pressure without electronics? I'm working on a product for the marine industry that dives to a certain depth while being pulled behind a boat.  Naturally, the easiest way to tell depth is from pressure.  The immediate solution is to use electronics to measure pressure. The electronics then control a hydrofoil or sorts to dive up or down. But that means the device needs to be equipped with batteries, be entirely waterproof, etc.   I'm wondering if there's another way to accomplish this. Perhaps a compressible membrane that gradually changes the angle of the hydrofoil as it dives... but this also seems complicated.  Would greatly appreciate input!","c_root_id_A":"ekmqhy5","c_root_id_B":"ekmv1lu","created_at_utc_A":1554991346,"created_at_utc_B":1554994341,"score_A":8,"score_B":22,"human_ref_A":"If this is one of those drag behind arrays, one thing you will have to contend with is the surface fluid velocity. It will make it complicated to use pressure based depth sensing.  You might be able to use a linkage to control your decending fins angle based on the angle of the tow attachment line. It would not be super accurate but might be enough.","human_ref_B":"Could you use a calibrated spring system that adjusts the angle of the foil by mechanically reacting to the pressure at depth?   Take a piston attached to the foil with a spring system calibrated so the foil is level at the desired depth.   When the pressure on the piston is too low the foil descends when too great it ascends.    If you use a turnbuckle or similar mechanism between the mounting point and the spring you could adjust the tension until the depth is correct.   You could make it simpler than a piston by using flexible, rubbery, material on the exterior that would deform attached to the foil by linkage then control the depth by changing the starting pressure inside the vessel.   Each of these approaches requires at least part of the system is air\/water tight with fixed starting pressure.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2995.0,"score_ratio":2.75}
{"post_id":"bbzs2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How to create a submersible device that reacts to pressure without electronics? I'm working on a product for the marine industry that dives to a certain depth while being pulled behind a boat.  Naturally, the easiest way to tell depth is from pressure.  The immediate solution is to use electronics to measure pressure. The electronics then control a hydrofoil or sorts to dive up or down. But that means the device needs to be equipped with batteries, be entirely waterproof, etc.   I'm wondering if there's another way to accomplish this. Perhaps a compressible membrane that gradually changes the angle of the hydrofoil as it dives... but this also seems complicated.  Would greatly appreciate input!","c_root_id_A":"ekmv1lu","c_root_id_B":"ekmuzr1","created_at_utc_A":1554994341,"created_at_utc_B":1554994306,"score_A":22,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Could you use a calibrated spring system that adjusts the angle of the foil by mechanically reacting to the pressure at depth?   Take a piston attached to the foil with a spring system calibrated so the foil is level at the desired depth.   When the pressure on the piston is too low the foil descends when too great it ascends.    If you use a turnbuckle or similar mechanism between the mounting point and the spring you could adjust the tension until the depth is correct.   You could make it simpler than a piston by using flexible, rubbery, material on the exterior that would deform attached to the foil by linkage then control the depth by changing the starting pressure inside the vessel.   Each of these approaches requires at least part of the system is air\/water tight with fixed starting pressure.","human_ref_B":"Look into vintage mechanical dive watches, Blancpain and Some other (now gone) brands during the 1950's and 60's used mechanical compression to indicate the water pressure for divers when the watch was an essential tool to go deep diving.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":35.0,"score_ratio":3.6666666667}
{"post_id":"bbzs2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How to create a submersible device that reacts to pressure without electronics? I'm working on a product for the marine industry that dives to a certain depth while being pulled behind a boat.  Naturally, the easiest way to tell depth is from pressure.  The immediate solution is to use electronics to measure pressure. The electronics then control a hydrofoil or sorts to dive up or down. But that means the device needs to be equipped with batteries, be entirely waterproof, etc.   I'm wondering if there's another way to accomplish this. Perhaps a compressible membrane that gradually changes the angle of the hydrofoil as it dives... but this also seems complicated.  Would greatly appreciate input!","c_root_id_A":"ekmnw13","c_root_id_B":"ekmv1lu","created_at_utc_A":1554989576,"created_at_utc_B":1554994341,"score_A":6,"score_B":22,"human_ref_A":"Interesting problem. What kind of depth are we talking? Maybe you could set up something like a fishing bobber and weighted \"hook.\" So you tow the float (mini-boat) and have your negatively bouyant object tied to it. You'd still be dealing with waves though.  Depth could be adjusted by winching up or down on the object.","human_ref_B":"Could you use a calibrated spring system that adjusts the angle of the foil by mechanically reacting to the pressure at depth?   Take a piston attached to the foil with a spring system calibrated so the foil is level at the desired depth.   When the pressure on the piston is too low the foil descends when too great it ascends.    If you use a turnbuckle or similar mechanism between the mounting point and the spring you could adjust the tension until the depth is correct.   You could make it simpler than a piston by using flexible, rubbery, material on the exterior that would deform attached to the foil by linkage then control the depth by changing the starting pressure inside the vessel.   Each of these approaches requires at least part of the system is air\/water tight with fixed starting pressure.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4765.0,"score_ratio":3.6666666667}
{"post_id":"bbzs2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How to create a submersible device that reacts to pressure without electronics? I'm working on a product for the marine industry that dives to a certain depth while being pulled behind a boat.  Naturally, the easiest way to tell depth is from pressure.  The immediate solution is to use electronics to measure pressure. The electronics then control a hydrofoil or sorts to dive up or down. But that means the device needs to be equipped with batteries, be entirely waterproof, etc.   I'm wondering if there's another way to accomplish this. Perhaps a compressible membrane that gradually changes the angle of the hydrofoil as it dives... but this also seems complicated.  Would greatly appreciate input!","c_root_id_A":"ekmv1lu","c_root_id_B":"ekmoubg","created_at_utc_A":1554994341,"created_at_utc_B":1554990250,"score_A":22,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Could you use a calibrated spring system that adjusts the angle of the foil by mechanically reacting to the pressure at depth?   Take a piston attached to the foil with a spring system calibrated so the foil is level at the desired depth.   When the pressure on the piston is too low the foil descends when too great it ascends.    If you use a turnbuckle or similar mechanism between the mounting point and the spring you could adjust the tension until the depth is correct.   You could make it simpler than a piston by using flexible, rubbery, material on the exterior that would deform attached to the foil by linkage then control the depth by changing the starting pressure inside the vessel.   Each of these approaches requires at least part of the system is air\/water tight with fixed starting pressure.","human_ref_B":"you'd do well to consider how old school incubators worked on chicken farms when controlling the temp. translate from heat to pressure and you've got a potential solution... much like you've already suggested in the post.  however pressure alone won't get you much precision (or accuracy for that matter). as you move through water the pressure around the object will decrease even when its depth is constant. do you care how deep it is or how much pressure it is exposed to?  if you care about DEPTH you might do better with a simple mechanical linkage affecting the foil by the angle of the line used to tow the object.   or if you know how much force would be required to hold it at a desired depth and how fast you'll pull it through the water you could use a static foil.  basically: you haven't described the problem well enough for an answer to be produced quite yet. as Einstein is credited for saying (roughly paraphrased), \"given an hour to answer a life or death question, i would spend 55 minutes perfecting the question, after which the answer would become obvious and i would be done 5 minutes early\".","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4091.0,"score_ratio":4.4}
{"post_id":"bbzs2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How to create a submersible device that reacts to pressure without electronics? I'm working on a product for the marine industry that dives to a certain depth while being pulled behind a boat.  Naturally, the easiest way to tell depth is from pressure.  The immediate solution is to use electronics to measure pressure. The electronics then control a hydrofoil or sorts to dive up or down. But that means the device needs to be equipped with batteries, be entirely waterproof, etc.   I'm wondering if there's another way to accomplish this. Perhaps a compressible membrane that gradually changes the angle of the hydrofoil as it dives... but this also seems complicated.  Would greatly appreciate input!","c_root_id_A":"ekmqhy5","c_root_id_B":"ekmt3u7","created_at_utc_A":1554991346,"created_at_utc_B":1554993032,"score_A":8,"score_B":16,"human_ref_A":"If this is one of those drag behind arrays, one thing you will have to contend with is the surface fluid velocity. It will make it complicated to use pressure based depth sensing.  You might be able to use a linkage to control your decending fins angle based on the angle of the tow attachment line. It would not be super accurate but might be enough.","human_ref_B":"> Perhaps a compressible membrane that gradually changes the angle of the hydrofoil as it dives...  That's, approximately, how old torpedos worked. Fully mechanical, not too complicated, but probably not super accurate or precise since you only get proportional control rather than the full PID.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1686.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"bbzs2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How to create a submersible device that reacts to pressure without electronics? I'm working on a product for the marine industry that dives to a certain depth while being pulled behind a boat.  Naturally, the easiest way to tell depth is from pressure.  The immediate solution is to use electronics to measure pressure. The electronics then control a hydrofoil or sorts to dive up or down. But that means the device needs to be equipped with batteries, be entirely waterproof, etc.   I'm wondering if there's another way to accomplish this. Perhaps a compressible membrane that gradually changes the angle of the hydrofoil as it dives... but this also seems complicated.  Would greatly appreciate input!","c_root_id_A":"ekmt3u7","c_root_id_B":"ekmnw13","created_at_utc_A":1554993032,"created_at_utc_B":1554989576,"score_A":16,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"> Perhaps a compressible membrane that gradually changes the angle of the hydrofoil as it dives...  That's, approximately, how old torpedos worked. Fully mechanical, not too complicated, but probably not super accurate or precise since you only get proportional control rather than the full PID.","human_ref_B":"Interesting problem. What kind of depth are we talking? Maybe you could set up something like a fishing bobber and weighted \"hook.\" So you tow the float (mini-boat) and have your negatively bouyant object tied to it. You'd still be dealing with waves though.  Depth could be adjusted by winching up or down on the object.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3456.0,"score_ratio":2.6666666667}
{"post_id":"bbzs2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How to create a submersible device that reacts to pressure without electronics? I'm working on a product for the marine industry that dives to a certain depth while being pulled behind a boat.  Naturally, the easiest way to tell depth is from pressure.  The immediate solution is to use electronics to measure pressure. The electronics then control a hydrofoil or sorts to dive up or down. But that means the device needs to be equipped with batteries, be entirely waterproof, etc.   I'm wondering if there's another way to accomplish this. Perhaps a compressible membrane that gradually changes the angle of the hydrofoil as it dives... but this also seems complicated.  Would greatly appreciate input!","c_root_id_A":"ekmt3u7","c_root_id_B":"ekmoubg","created_at_utc_A":1554993032,"created_at_utc_B":1554990250,"score_A":16,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"> Perhaps a compressible membrane that gradually changes the angle of the hydrofoil as it dives...  That's, approximately, how old torpedos worked. Fully mechanical, not too complicated, but probably not super accurate or precise since you only get proportional control rather than the full PID.","human_ref_B":"you'd do well to consider how old school incubators worked on chicken farms when controlling the temp. translate from heat to pressure and you've got a potential solution... much like you've already suggested in the post.  however pressure alone won't get you much precision (or accuracy for that matter). as you move through water the pressure around the object will decrease even when its depth is constant. do you care how deep it is or how much pressure it is exposed to?  if you care about DEPTH you might do better with a simple mechanical linkage affecting the foil by the angle of the line used to tow the object.   or if you know how much force would be required to hold it at a desired depth and how fast you'll pull it through the water you could use a static foil.  basically: you haven't described the problem well enough for an answer to be produced quite yet. as Einstein is credited for saying (roughly paraphrased), \"given an hour to answer a life or death question, i would spend 55 minutes perfecting the question, after which the answer would become obvious and i would be done 5 minutes early\".","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2782.0,"score_ratio":3.2}
{"post_id":"bbzs2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How to create a submersible device that reacts to pressure without electronics? I'm working on a product for the marine industry that dives to a certain depth while being pulled behind a boat.  Naturally, the easiest way to tell depth is from pressure.  The immediate solution is to use electronics to measure pressure. The electronics then control a hydrofoil or sorts to dive up or down. But that means the device needs to be equipped with batteries, be entirely waterproof, etc.   I'm wondering if there's another way to accomplish this. Perhaps a compressible membrane that gradually changes the angle of the hydrofoil as it dives... but this also seems complicated.  Would greatly appreciate input!","c_root_id_A":"ekmqhy5","c_root_id_B":"ekmxm6n","created_at_utc_A":1554991346,"created_at_utc_B":1554996020,"score_A":8,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"If this is one of those drag behind arrays, one thing you will have to contend with is the surface fluid velocity. It will make it complicated to use pressure based depth sensing.  You might be able to use a linkage to control your decending fins angle based on the angle of the tow attachment line. It would not be super accurate but might be enough.","human_ref_B":"OR, you could use a control cable that goes back to the towing boat. If you pull the cable it will make the device dive. Easing the cable will make it surface. I think that there will be a different setpoint depending on how far back from the boat it is.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4674.0,"score_ratio":1.125}
{"post_id":"bbzs2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How to create a submersible device that reacts to pressure without electronics? I'm working on a product for the marine industry that dives to a certain depth while being pulled behind a boat.  Naturally, the easiest way to tell depth is from pressure.  The immediate solution is to use electronics to measure pressure. The electronics then control a hydrofoil or sorts to dive up or down. But that means the device needs to be equipped with batteries, be entirely waterproof, etc.   I'm wondering if there's another way to accomplish this. Perhaps a compressible membrane that gradually changes the angle of the hydrofoil as it dives... but this also seems complicated.  Would greatly appreciate input!","c_root_id_A":"ekmuzr1","c_root_id_B":"ekmxm6n","created_at_utc_A":1554994306,"created_at_utc_B":1554996020,"score_A":6,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Look into vintage mechanical dive watches, Blancpain and Some other (now gone) brands during the 1950's and 60's used mechanical compression to indicate the water pressure for divers when the watch was an essential tool to go deep diving.","human_ref_B":"OR, you could use a control cable that goes back to the towing boat. If you pull the cable it will make the device dive. Easing the cable will make it surface. I think that there will be a different setpoint depending on how far back from the boat it is.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1714.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"bbzs2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How to create a submersible device that reacts to pressure without electronics? I'm working on a product for the marine industry that dives to a certain depth while being pulled behind a boat.  Naturally, the easiest way to tell depth is from pressure.  The immediate solution is to use electronics to measure pressure. The electronics then control a hydrofoil or sorts to dive up or down. But that means the device needs to be equipped with batteries, be entirely waterproof, etc.   I'm wondering if there's another way to accomplish this. Perhaps a compressible membrane that gradually changes the angle of the hydrofoil as it dives... but this also seems complicated.  Would greatly appreciate input!","c_root_id_A":"ekmxm6n","c_root_id_B":"ekmnw13","created_at_utc_A":1554996020,"created_at_utc_B":1554989576,"score_A":9,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"OR, you could use a control cable that goes back to the towing boat. If you pull the cable it will make the device dive. Easing the cable will make it surface. I think that there will be a different setpoint depending on how far back from the boat it is.","human_ref_B":"Interesting problem. What kind of depth are we talking? Maybe you could set up something like a fishing bobber and weighted \"hook.\" So you tow the float (mini-boat) and have your negatively bouyant object tied to it. You'd still be dealing with waves though.  Depth could be adjusted by winching up or down on the object.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6444.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"bbzs2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How to create a submersible device that reacts to pressure without electronics? I'm working on a product for the marine industry that dives to a certain depth while being pulled behind a boat.  Naturally, the easiest way to tell depth is from pressure.  The immediate solution is to use electronics to measure pressure. The electronics then control a hydrofoil or sorts to dive up or down. But that means the device needs to be equipped with batteries, be entirely waterproof, etc.   I'm wondering if there's another way to accomplish this. Perhaps a compressible membrane that gradually changes the angle of the hydrofoil as it dives... but this also seems complicated.  Would greatly appreciate input!","c_root_id_A":"ekmoubg","c_root_id_B":"ekmxm6n","created_at_utc_A":1554990250,"created_at_utc_B":1554996020,"score_A":5,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"you'd do well to consider how old school incubators worked on chicken farms when controlling the temp. translate from heat to pressure and you've got a potential solution... much like you've already suggested in the post.  however pressure alone won't get you much precision (or accuracy for that matter). as you move through water the pressure around the object will decrease even when its depth is constant. do you care how deep it is or how much pressure it is exposed to?  if you care about DEPTH you might do better with a simple mechanical linkage affecting the foil by the angle of the line used to tow the object.   or if you know how much force would be required to hold it at a desired depth and how fast you'll pull it through the water you could use a static foil.  basically: you haven't described the problem well enough for an answer to be produced quite yet. as Einstein is credited for saying (roughly paraphrased), \"given an hour to answer a life or death question, i would spend 55 minutes perfecting the question, after which the answer would become obvious and i would be done 5 minutes early\".","human_ref_B":"OR, you could use a control cable that goes back to the towing boat. If you pull the cable it will make the device dive. Easing the cable will make it surface. I think that there will be a different setpoint depending on how far back from the boat it is.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5770.0,"score_ratio":1.8}
{"post_id":"bbzs2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How to create a submersible device that reacts to pressure without electronics? I'm working on a product for the marine industry that dives to a certain depth while being pulled behind a boat.  Naturally, the easiest way to tell depth is from pressure.  The immediate solution is to use electronics to measure pressure. The electronics then control a hydrofoil or sorts to dive up or down. But that means the device needs to be equipped with batteries, be entirely waterproof, etc.   I'm wondering if there's another way to accomplish this. Perhaps a compressible membrane that gradually changes the angle of the hydrofoil as it dives... but this also seems complicated.  Would greatly appreciate input!","c_root_id_A":"ekmxm6n","c_root_id_B":"ekmvwis","created_at_utc_A":1554996020,"created_at_utc_B":1554994909,"score_A":9,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"OR, you could use a control cable that goes back to the towing boat. If you pull the cable it will make the device dive. Easing the cable will make it surface. I think that there will be a different setpoint depending on how far back from the boat it is.","human_ref_B":"Take a look at the cartesian diver toy.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1111.0,"score_ratio":4.5}
{"post_id":"bbzs2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How to create a submersible device that reacts to pressure without electronics? I'm working on a product for the marine industry that dives to a certain depth while being pulled behind a boat.  Naturally, the easiest way to tell depth is from pressure.  The immediate solution is to use electronics to measure pressure. The electronics then control a hydrofoil or sorts to dive up or down. But that means the device needs to be equipped with batteries, be entirely waterproof, etc.   I'm wondering if there's another way to accomplish this. Perhaps a compressible membrane that gradually changes the angle of the hydrofoil as it dives... but this also seems complicated.  Would greatly appreciate input!","c_root_id_A":"ekmnw13","c_root_id_B":"ekmqhy5","created_at_utc_A":1554989576,"created_at_utc_B":1554991346,"score_A":6,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"Interesting problem. What kind of depth are we talking? Maybe you could set up something like a fishing bobber and weighted \"hook.\" So you tow the float (mini-boat) and have your negatively bouyant object tied to it. You'd still be dealing with waves though.  Depth could be adjusted by winching up or down on the object.","human_ref_B":"If this is one of those drag behind arrays, one thing you will have to contend with is the surface fluid velocity. It will make it complicated to use pressure based depth sensing.  You might be able to use a linkage to control your decending fins angle based on the angle of the tow attachment line. It would not be super accurate but might be enough.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1770.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"bbzs2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How to create a submersible device that reacts to pressure without electronics? I'm working on a product for the marine industry that dives to a certain depth while being pulled behind a boat.  Naturally, the easiest way to tell depth is from pressure.  The immediate solution is to use electronics to measure pressure. The electronics then control a hydrofoil or sorts to dive up or down. But that means the device needs to be equipped with batteries, be entirely waterproof, etc.   I'm wondering if there's another way to accomplish this. Perhaps a compressible membrane that gradually changes the angle of the hydrofoil as it dives... but this also seems complicated.  Would greatly appreciate input!","c_root_id_A":"ekmoubg","c_root_id_B":"ekmqhy5","created_at_utc_A":1554990250,"created_at_utc_B":1554991346,"score_A":5,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"you'd do well to consider how old school incubators worked on chicken farms when controlling the temp. translate from heat to pressure and you've got a potential solution... much like you've already suggested in the post.  however pressure alone won't get you much precision (or accuracy for that matter). as you move through water the pressure around the object will decrease even when its depth is constant. do you care how deep it is or how much pressure it is exposed to?  if you care about DEPTH you might do better with a simple mechanical linkage affecting the foil by the angle of the line used to tow the object.   or if you know how much force would be required to hold it at a desired depth and how fast you'll pull it through the water you could use a static foil.  basically: you haven't described the problem well enough for an answer to be produced quite yet. as Einstein is credited for saying (roughly paraphrased), \"given an hour to answer a life or death question, i would spend 55 minutes perfecting the question, after which the answer would become obvious and i would be done 5 minutes early\".","human_ref_B":"If this is one of those drag behind arrays, one thing you will have to contend with is the surface fluid velocity. It will make it complicated to use pressure based depth sensing.  You might be able to use a linkage to control your decending fins angle based on the angle of the tow attachment line. It would not be super accurate but might be enough.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1096.0,"score_ratio":1.6}
{"post_id":"bbzs2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How to create a submersible device that reacts to pressure without electronics? I'm working on a product for the marine industry that dives to a certain depth while being pulled behind a boat.  Naturally, the easiest way to tell depth is from pressure.  The immediate solution is to use electronics to measure pressure. The electronics then control a hydrofoil or sorts to dive up or down. But that means the device needs to be equipped with batteries, be entirely waterproof, etc.   I'm wondering if there's another way to accomplish this. Perhaps a compressible membrane that gradually changes the angle of the hydrofoil as it dives... but this also seems complicated.  Would greatly appreciate input!","c_root_id_A":"ekmoubg","c_root_id_B":"ekmuzr1","created_at_utc_A":1554990250,"created_at_utc_B":1554994306,"score_A":5,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"you'd do well to consider how old school incubators worked on chicken farms when controlling the temp. translate from heat to pressure and you've got a potential solution... much like you've already suggested in the post.  however pressure alone won't get you much precision (or accuracy for that matter). as you move through water the pressure around the object will decrease even when its depth is constant. do you care how deep it is or how much pressure it is exposed to?  if you care about DEPTH you might do better with a simple mechanical linkage affecting the foil by the angle of the line used to tow the object.   or if you know how much force would be required to hold it at a desired depth and how fast you'll pull it through the water you could use a static foil.  basically: you haven't described the problem well enough for an answer to be produced quite yet. as Einstein is credited for saying (roughly paraphrased), \"given an hour to answer a life or death question, i would spend 55 minutes perfecting the question, after which the answer would become obvious and i would be done 5 minutes early\".","human_ref_B":"Look into vintage mechanical dive watches, Blancpain and Some other (now gone) brands during the 1950's and 60's used mechanical compression to indicate the water pressure for divers when the watch was an essential tool to go deep diving.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4056.0,"score_ratio":1.2}
{"post_id":"bbzs2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How to create a submersible device that reacts to pressure without electronics? I'm working on a product for the marine industry that dives to a certain depth while being pulled behind a boat.  Naturally, the easiest way to tell depth is from pressure.  The immediate solution is to use electronics to measure pressure. The electronics then control a hydrofoil or sorts to dive up or down. But that means the device needs to be equipped with batteries, be entirely waterproof, etc.   I'm wondering if there's another way to accomplish this. Perhaps a compressible membrane that gradually changes the angle of the hydrofoil as it dives... but this also seems complicated.  Would greatly appreciate input!","c_root_id_A":"ekmvwis","c_root_id_B":"eknfsgg","created_at_utc_A":1554994909,"created_at_utc_B":1555007460,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Take a look at the cartesian diver toy.","human_ref_B":"Why do I feel like there are affordable devises that measure depth, pressure and are made waterproof","labels":0,"seconds_difference":12551.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"bbzs2v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How to create a submersible device that reacts to pressure without electronics? I'm working on a product for the marine industry that dives to a certain depth while being pulled behind a boat.  Naturally, the easiest way to tell depth is from pressure.  The immediate solution is to use electronics to measure pressure. The electronics then control a hydrofoil or sorts to dive up or down. But that means the device needs to be equipped with batteries, be entirely waterproof, etc.   I'm wondering if there's another way to accomplish this. Perhaps a compressible membrane that gradually changes the angle of the hydrofoil as it dives... but this also seems complicated.  Would greatly appreciate input!","c_root_id_A":"eknfsgg","c_root_id_B":"ekn314r","created_at_utc_A":1555007460,"created_at_utc_B":1554999476,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Why do I feel like there are affordable devises that measure depth, pressure and are made waterproof","human_ref_B":"How accurate do you need? Ive seen this done with a bridle: you connect the \u2018payload\u2019 at two points with rope. The ropes come together into one tow-line shortly ahead of the craft, forming a bridle. The trick is to set the lengths of those short ropes carefully to set the angle of dive. Your fins\/wings would be fixed, though you need to prevent rolling (so \u201cup\u201d stays towards the surface: weights and floats should do this)  When it reaches the right depth, the line will be diagonal down from the boat (at the angle you set with the bridle) and the payload will sit parallel to the surface as it tracks through the water. Now your depth is just a function of tow-rope length.  Im struggling to describe this without a drawing. I encourage you to draw the boat on the surface, a diagonal line and the payload with bridle. It should make things clearer","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7984.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"x5kx5a","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"How might one approximate the efficiency of freezing water, with a freezer, to heat a house? Just an idea I've had in my mind for a while. With the recent warnings that electricity is gonna be **really** expensive this winter, maybe it's worth a shot.  Basically, just put a big bucket of water in the freezer. Once it's frozen, you throw out all the ice outdoors, and refill the bucket. All the heat that was in the liquid water is now in the house instead, meaning I *must* have gained some free heating. Theoretically, this works great. In practice, I have no idea how to even approach a calculation to determine if it's a reasonable thing to do at all.  Some parts are simple. 10 liters of water seems like a manageable amount. It will provide about 1 kwh as heat as it freezes, plus a non negligible amount from cooling the water. (Enthalpy of fusion=334 kJ\/kg, 10 kg = 3.3 MJ = 0.92 kWh.)  But how on earth would I figure out how much energy the freezer will require to freeze said amount? What's the efficiency of a typical freezer compressor?","c_root_id_A":"in210n7","c_root_id_B":"in1o1xe","created_at_utc_A":1662300672,"created_at_utc_B":1662294170,"score_A":22,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"One of the issues you will encounter (aside from everything else people mentioned):   It takes about 144 BTU\/lb to freeze water.    So in deep winter, assuming you have a 50,000 BTU heat load (not unknown in a house) you will be throwing out \\~350 pounds of ice every hour.  That means you are hauling out Nine 5 gallon buckets of ice out of your house every hour while your machine runs.  For those of you  doing that math at home, that means this machine is freezing a five gallon pail of water every seven minutes.   There are *several* logistical and equipment related hurdles here that would make this proposition difficult at best.","human_ref_B":"What you are suggesting is kind of interesting in a way, it's definitely not going to be free as you say as you are paying for the energy to run the compressor but it will work out cheaper than a resistive electric heater. The easiest way of calculating heat output would be to find the energy consumed + sensible heat transfer + latent heat transfer into the water bucket, which is a fairly simple calculation as you point out. You will be able to work out a cop value which I suspect will be not much above 1, so better than just a resistive heater but not a lot. Certainly it will be much less efficient than using a heat pump which uses the entire outdoors as the cold reservoir instead of a bucket of water.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6502.0,"score_ratio":1.5714285714}
{"post_id":"x5kx5a","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"How might one approximate the efficiency of freezing water, with a freezer, to heat a house? Just an idea I've had in my mind for a while. With the recent warnings that electricity is gonna be **really** expensive this winter, maybe it's worth a shot.  Basically, just put a big bucket of water in the freezer. Once it's frozen, you throw out all the ice outdoors, and refill the bucket. All the heat that was in the liquid water is now in the house instead, meaning I *must* have gained some free heating. Theoretically, this works great. In practice, I have no idea how to even approach a calculation to determine if it's a reasonable thing to do at all.  Some parts are simple. 10 liters of water seems like a manageable amount. It will provide about 1 kwh as heat as it freezes, plus a non negligible amount from cooling the water. (Enthalpy of fusion=334 kJ\/kg, 10 kg = 3.3 MJ = 0.92 kWh.)  But how on earth would I figure out how much energy the freezer will require to freeze said amount? What's the efficiency of a typical freezer compressor?","c_root_id_A":"in210n7","c_root_id_B":"in1rwge","created_at_utc_A":1662300672,"created_at_utc_B":1662296335,"score_A":22,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"One of the issues you will encounter (aside from everything else people mentioned):   It takes about 144 BTU\/lb to freeze water.    So in deep winter, assuming you have a 50,000 BTU heat load (not unknown in a house) you will be throwing out \\~350 pounds of ice every hour.  That means you are hauling out Nine 5 gallon buckets of ice out of your house every hour while your machine runs.  For those of you  doing that math at home, that means this machine is freezing a five gallon pail of water every seven minutes.   There are *several* logistical and equipment related hurdles here that would make this proposition difficult at best.","human_ref_B":"You need to cost in the reduced lifetime of your freezer.  You need to account for the fact that you are heating using electricity, which is generally more expensive per unit of energy than gas.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4337.0,"score_ratio":2.75}
{"post_id":"x5kx5a","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"How might one approximate the efficiency of freezing water, with a freezer, to heat a house? Just an idea I've had in my mind for a while. With the recent warnings that electricity is gonna be **really** expensive this winter, maybe it's worth a shot.  Basically, just put a big bucket of water in the freezer. Once it's frozen, you throw out all the ice outdoors, and refill the bucket. All the heat that was in the liquid water is now in the house instead, meaning I *must* have gained some free heating. Theoretically, this works great. In practice, I have no idea how to even approach a calculation to determine if it's a reasonable thing to do at all.  Some parts are simple. 10 liters of water seems like a manageable amount. It will provide about 1 kwh as heat as it freezes, plus a non negligible amount from cooling the water. (Enthalpy of fusion=334 kJ\/kg, 10 kg = 3.3 MJ = 0.92 kWh.)  But how on earth would I figure out how much energy the freezer will require to freeze said amount? What's the efficiency of a typical freezer compressor?","c_root_id_A":"in2ofvm","c_root_id_B":"in1o1xe","created_at_utc_A":1662310015,"created_at_utc_B":1662294170,"score_A":22,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"ITT: Engineers citing thermodynamics without understanding the first couple weeks of thermo 101","human_ref_B":"What you are suggesting is kind of interesting in a way, it's definitely not going to be free as you say as you are paying for the energy to run the compressor but it will work out cheaper than a resistive electric heater. The easiest way of calculating heat output would be to find the energy consumed + sensible heat transfer + latent heat transfer into the water bucket, which is a fairly simple calculation as you point out. You will be able to work out a cop value which I suspect will be not much above 1, so better than just a resistive heater but not a lot. Certainly it will be much less efficient than using a heat pump which uses the entire outdoors as the cold reservoir instead of a bucket of water.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":15845.0,"score_ratio":1.5714285714}
{"post_id":"x5kx5a","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"How might one approximate the efficiency of freezing water, with a freezer, to heat a house? Just an idea I've had in my mind for a while. With the recent warnings that electricity is gonna be **really** expensive this winter, maybe it's worth a shot.  Basically, just put a big bucket of water in the freezer. Once it's frozen, you throw out all the ice outdoors, and refill the bucket. All the heat that was in the liquid water is now in the house instead, meaning I *must* have gained some free heating. Theoretically, this works great. In practice, I have no idea how to even approach a calculation to determine if it's a reasonable thing to do at all.  Some parts are simple. 10 liters of water seems like a manageable amount. It will provide about 1 kwh as heat as it freezes, plus a non negligible amount from cooling the water. (Enthalpy of fusion=334 kJ\/kg, 10 kg = 3.3 MJ = 0.92 kWh.)  But how on earth would I figure out how much energy the freezer will require to freeze said amount? What's the efficiency of a typical freezer compressor?","c_root_id_A":"in2ofvm","c_root_id_B":"in1rwge","created_at_utc_A":1662310015,"created_at_utc_B":1662296335,"score_A":22,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"ITT: Engineers citing thermodynamics without understanding the first couple weeks of thermo 101","human_ref_B":"You need to cost in the reduced lifetime of your freezer.  You need to account for the fact that you are heating using electricity, which is generally more expensive per unit of energy than gas.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":13680.0,"score_ratio":2.75}
{"post_id":"x5kx5a","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"How might one approximate the efficiency of freezing water, with a freezer, to heat a house? Just an idea I've had in my mind for a while. With the recent warnings that electricity is gonna be **really** expensive this winter, maybe it's worth a shot.  Basically, just put a big bucket of water in the freezer. Once it's frozen, you throw out all the ice outdoors, and refill the bucket. All the heat that was in the liquid water is now in the house instead, meaning I *must* have gained some free heating. Theoretically, this works great. In practice, I have no idea how to even approach a calculation to determine if it's a reasonable thing to do at all.  Some parts are simple. 10 liters of water seems like a manageable amount. It will provide about 1 kwh as heat as it freezes, plus a non negligible amount from cooling the water. (Enthalpy of fusion=334 kJ\/kg, 10 kg = 3.3 MJ = 0.92 kWh.)  But how on earth would I figure out how much energy the freezer will require to freeze said amount? What's the efficiency of a typical freezer compressor?","c_root_id_A":"in2ofvm","c_root_id_B":"in25pf3","created_at_utc_A":1662310015,"created_at_utc_B":1662302593,"score_A":22,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"ITT: Engineers citing thermodynamics without understanding the first couple weeks of thermo 101","human_ref_B":">meaning I must have gained some free heating  What do you think is free about this? You're still paying for the electricity it uses.  This is literally what heat pumps already do, except they use a refrigerant that transitions between liquid and gas instead of liquid and solid. Keeping the refrigerant as a fluid means it can be circulated automatically with pumps and refused instead of requiring you to manually carry the ice outside and add more water.  In fact, a freezer uses the same kind of heat pump that a house does, so there's really no difference, except for where you're pulling the heat from (outdoors vs the inside of the freezer). That, and a heat pump for a house is much larger so it's actually capable of heating your entire house, whereas you freezer will just make your kitchen slightly warmer.  One other thing to consider is that the bigger the temperature difference between the hot and cold sides, the less efficient a heat pump becomes. So if the inside of your freezer is colder than outdoors (usually true at least where I live) then your freezer will be less efficient than your regular heat pump.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7422.0,"score_ratio":5.5}
{"post_id":"x5kx5a","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"How might one approximate the efficiency of freezing water, with a freezer, to heat a house? Just an idea I've had in my mind for a while. With the recent warnings that electricity is gonna be **really** expensive this winter, maybe it's worth a shot.  Basically, just put a big bucket of water in the freezer. Once it's frozen, you throw out all the ice outdoors, and refill the bucket. All the heat that was in the liquid water is now in the house instead, meaning I *must* have gained some free heating. Theoretically, this works great. In practice, I have no idea how to even approach a calculation to determine if it's a reasonable thing to do at all.  Some parts are simple. 10 liters of water seems like a manageable amount. It will provide about 1 kwh as heat as it freezes, plus a non negligible amount from cooling the water. (Enthalpy of fusion=334 kJ\/kg, 10 kg = 3.3 MJ = 0.92 kWh.)  But how on earth would I figure out how much energy the freezer will require to freeze said amount? What's the efficiency of a typical freezer compressor?","c_root_id_A":"in2ofvm","c_root_id_B":"in283ol","created_at_utc_A":1662310015,"created_at_utc_B":1662303558,"score_A":22,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"ITT: Engineers citing thermodynamics without understanding the first couple weeks of thermo 101","human_ref_B":"OP: Electricity is going to be really expensive.  Also OP: I have an idea to heat my house with electricity.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6457.0,"score_ratio":5.5}
{"post_id":"x5kx5a","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"How might one approximate the efficiency of freezing water, with a freezer, to heat a house? Just an idea I've had in my mind for a while. With the recent warnings that electricity is gonna be **really** expensive this winter, maybe it's worth a shot.  Basically, just put a big bucket of water in the freezer. Once it's frozen, you throw out all the ice outdoors, and refill the bucket. All the heat that was in the liquid water is now in the house instead, meaning I *must* have gained some free heating. Theoretically, this works great. In practice, I have no idea how to even approach a calculation to determine if it's a reasonable thing to do at all.  Some parts are simple. 10 liters of water seems like a manageable amount. It will provide about 1 kwh as heat as it freezes, plus a non negligible amount from cooling the water. (Enthalpy of fusion=334 kJ\/kg, 10 kg = 3.3 MJ = 0.92 kWh.)  But how on earth would I figure out how much energy the freezer will require to freeze said amount? What's the efficiency of a typical freezer compressor?","c_root_id_A":"in25pf3","c_root_id_B":"in4csv4","created_at_utc_A":1662302593,"created_at_utc_B":1662335903,"score_A":4,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":">meaning I must have gained some free heating  What do you think is free about this? You're still paying for the electricity it uses.  This is literally what heat pumps already do, except they use a refrigerant that transitions between liquid and gas instead of liquid and solid. Keeping the refrigerant as a fluid means it can be circulated automatically with pumps and refused instead of requiring you to manually carry the ice outside and add more water.  In fact, a freezer uses the same kind of heat pump that a house does, so there's really no difference, except for where you're pulling the heat from (outdoors vs the inside of the freezer). That, and a heat pump for a house is much larger so it's actually capable of heating your entire house, whereas you freezer will just make your kitchen slightly warmer.  One other thing to consider is that the bigger the temperature difference between the hot and cold sides, the less efficient a heat pump becomes. So if the inside of your freezer is colder than outdoors (usually true at least where I live) then your freezer will be less efficient than your regular heat pump.","human_ref_B":"Jesus, this thread.  I think we need a Heat Pumps 101 link in the sidebar.  I think you should do this and report back, because now I'm curious myself.  Bonus points if you do something fun and make an ice sculpture with your physical heat debt ingots.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":33310.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"x5kx5a","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"How might one approximate the efficiency of freezing water, with a freezer, to heat a house? Just an idea I've had in my mind for a while. With the recent warnings that electricity is gonna be **really** expensive this winter, maybe it's worth a shot.  Basically, just put a big bucket of water in the freezer. Once it's frozen, you throw out all the ice outdoors, and refill the bucket. All the heat that was in the liquid water is now in the house instead, meaning I *must* have gained some free heating. Theoretically, this works great. In practice, I have no idea how to even approach a calculation to determine if it's a reasonable thing to do at all.  Some parts are simple. 10 liters of water seems like a manageable amount. It will provide about 1 kwh as heat as it freezes, plus a non negligible amount from cooling the water. (Enthalpy of fusion=334 kJ\/kg, 10 kg = 3.3 MJ = 0.92 kWh.)  But how on earth would I figure out how much energy the freezer will require to freeze said amount? What's the efficiency of a typical freezer compressor?","c_root_id_A":"in4csv4","c_root_id_B":"in283ol","created_at_utc_A":1662335903,"created_at_utc_B":1662303558,"score_A":5,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Jesus, this thread.  I think we need a Heat Pumps 101 link in the sidebar.  I think you should do this and report back, because now I'm curious myself.  Bonus points if you do something fun and make an ice sculpture with your physical heat debt ingots.","human_ref_B":"OP: Electricity is going to be really expensive.  Also OP: I have an idea to heat my house with electricity.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":32345.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"x5kx5a","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"How might one approximate the efficiency of freezing water, with a freezer, to heat a house? Just an idea I've had in my mind for a while. With the recent warnings that electricity is gonna be **really** expensive this winter, maybe it's worth a shot.  Basically, just put a big bucket of water in the freezer. Once it's frozen, you throw out all the ice outdoors, and refill the bucket. All the heat that was in the liquid water is now in the house instead, meaning I *must* have gained some free heating. Theoretically, this works great. In practice, I have no idea how to even approach a calculation to determine if it's a reasonable thing to do at all.  Some parts are simple. 10 liters of water seems like a manageable amount. It will provide about 1 kwh as heat as it freezes, plus a non negligible amount from cooling the water. (Enthalpy of fusion=334 kJ\/kg, 10 kg = 3.3 MJ = 0.92 kWh.)  But how on earth would I figure out how much energy the freezer will require to freeze said amount? What's the efficiency of a typical freezer compressor?","c_root_id_A":"in4csv4","c_root_id_B":"in39r1u","created_at_utc_A":1662335903,"created_at_utc_B":1662318567,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Jesus, this thread.  I think we need a Heat Pumps 101 link in the sidebar.  I think you should do this and report back, because now I'm curious myself.  Bonus points if you do something fun and make an ice sculpture with your physical heat debt ingots.","human_ref_B":"Or do what I did a couple of winters ago   I have a shop in a small one car garage and the gas space heater broke with only about 1 month cold weather remaining....  I grabbed the little 6000 btu window air conditioner that I normally use during the summer and bypassed the temperature control circuit so it would run constantly...then placed the machine in the window backward so the backside was facing inward...  I was quite impressed it did a decent job of heating the garage tho not quite as well as the gas heater did.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":17336.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"x5kx5a","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"How might one approximate the efficiency of freezing water, with a freezer, to heat a house? Just an idea I've had in my mind for a while. With the recent warnings that electricity is gonna be **really** expensive this winter, maybe it's worth a shot.  Basically, just put a big bucket of water in the freezer. Once it's frozen, you throw out all the ice outdoors, and refill the bucket. All the heat that was in the liquid water is now in the house instead, meaning I *must* have gained some free heating. Theoretically, this works great. In practice, I have no idea how to even approach a calculation to determine if it's a reasonable thing to do at all.  Some parts are simple. 10 liters of water seems like a manageable amount. It will provide about 1 kwh as heat as it freezes, plus a non negligible amount from cooling the water. (Enthalpy of fusion=334 kJ\/kg, 10 kg = 3.3 MJ = 0.92 kWh.)  But how on earth would I figure out how much energy the freezer will require to freeze said amount? What's the efficiency of a typical freezer compressor?","c_root_id_A":"in4csv4","c_root_id_B":"in3mzhf","created_at_utc_A":1662335903,"created_at_utc_B":1662324192,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Jesus, this thread.  I think we need a Heat Pumps 101 link in the sidebar.  I think you should do this and report back, because now I'm curious myself.  Bonus points if you do something fun and make an ice sculpture with your physical heat debt ingots.","human_ref_B":"Instead of a domestic fridge\/freezer, what about a small commercial ice maker? Much faster at creating ice, much easier to remove the ice, much higher capacity.  If you have the need to cool during summer, is there a way that you can store some of the ice for a few months? (In Australia this would be useful, probably no so much in climates where it isn't above 30\u00b0 very often). I'm imagining a basement tank full of ice for months, then reverse the system for summer.  As some other Redditors have said, a ground loop heat exchanger would be a more ideal way to use the refrigeration cycle.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":11711.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"x5kx5a","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"How might one approximate the efficiency of freezing water, with a freezer, to heat a house? Just an idea I've had in my mind for a while. With the recent warnings that electricity is gonna be **really** expensive this winter, maybe it's worth a shot.  Basically, just put a big bucket of water in the freezer. Once it's frozen, you throw out all the ice outdoors, and refill the bucket. All the heat that was in the liquid water is now in the house instead, meaning I *must* have gained some free heating. Theoretically, this works great. In practice, I have no idea how to even approach a calculation to determine if it's a reasonable thing to do at all.  Some parts are simple. 10 liters of water seems like a manageable amount. It will provide about 1 kwh as heat as it freezes, plus a non negligible amount from cooling the water. (Enthalpy of fusion=334 kJ\/kg, 10 kg = 3.3 MJ = 0.92 kWh.)  But how on earth would I figure out how much energy the freezer will require to freeze said amount? What's the efficiency of a typical freezer compressor?","c_root_id_A":"in4csv4","c_root_id_B":"in2wonj","created_at_utc_A":1662335903,"created_at_utc_B":1662313212,"score_A":5,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Jesus, this thread.  I think we need a Heat Pumps 101 link in the sidebar.  I think you should do this and report back, because now I'm curious myself.  Bonus points if you do something fun and make an ice sculpture with your physical heat debt ingots.","human_ref_B":"I like the cut of your jib, Opie","labels":1,"seconds_difference":22691.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"x5kx5a","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"How might one approximate the efficiency of freezing water, with a freezer, to heat a house? Just an idea I've had in my mind for a while. With the recent warnings that electricity is gonna be **really** expensive this winter, maybe it's worth a shot.  Basically, just put a big bucket of water in the freezer. Once it's frozen, you throw out all the ice outdoors, and refill the bucket. All the heat that was in the liquid water is now in the house instead, meaning I *must* have gained some free heating. Theoretically, this works great. In practice, I have no idea how to even approach a calculation to determine if it's a reasonable thing to do at all.  Some parts are simple. 10 liters of water seems like a manageable amount. It will provide about 1 kwh as heat as it freezes, plus a non negligible amount from cooling the water. (Enthalpy of fusion=334 kJ\/kg, 10 kg = 3.3 MJ = 0.92 kWh.)  But how on earth would I figure out how much energy the freezer will require to freeze said amount? What's the efficiency of a typical freezer compressor?","c_root_id_A":"in2wonj","c_root_id_B":"in39r1u","created_at_utc_A":1662313212,"created_at_utc_B":1662318567,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I like the cut of your jib, Opie","human_ref_B":"Or do what I did a couple of winters ago   I have a shop in a small one car garage and the gas space heater broke with only about 1 month cold weather remaining....  I grabbed the little 6000 btu window air conditioner that I normally use during the summer and bypassed the temperature control circuit so it would run constantly...then placed the machine in the window backward so the backside was facing inward...  I was quite impressed it did a decent job of heating the garage tho not quite as well as the gas heater did.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5355.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"x5kx5a","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"How might one approximate the efficiency of freezing water, with a freezer, to heat a house? Just an idea I've had in my mind for a while. With the recent warnings that electricity is gonna be **really** expensive this winter, maybe it's worth a shot.  Basically, just put a big bucket of water in the freezer. Once it's frozen, you throw out all the ice outdoors, and refill the bucket. All the heat that was in the liquid water is now in the house instead, meaning I *must* have gained some free heating. Theoretically, this works great. In practice, I have no idea how to even approach a calculation to determine if it's a reasonable thing to do at all.  Some parts are simple. 10 liters of water seems like a manageable amount. It will provide about 1 kwh as heat as it freezes, plus a non negligible amount from cooling the water. (Enthalpy of fusion=334 kJ\/kg, 10 kg = 3.3 MJ = 0.92 kWh.)  But how on earth would I figure out how much energy the freezer will require to freeze said amount? What's the efficiency of a typical freezer compressor?","c_root_id_A":"in3mzhf","c_root_id_B":"in2wonj","created_at_utc_A":1662324192,"created_at_utc_B":1662313212,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Instead of a domestic fridge\/freezer, what about a small commercial ice maker? Much faster at creating ice, much easier to remove the ice, much higher capacity.  If you have the need to cool during summer, is there a way that you can store some of the ice for a few months? (In Australia this would be useful, probably no so much in climates where it isn't above 30\u00b0 very often). I'm imagining a basement tank full of ice for months, then reverse the system for summer.  As some other Redditors have said, a ground loop heat exchanger would be a more ideal way to use the refrigeration cycle.","human_ref_B":"I like the cut of your jib, Opie","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10980.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"kgg3ay","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Any other entry-level engineers still struggling to find employment after graduating? Or am I alone? Mechanical Engineering grad here. I have been applying to jobs (hundreds) since May. Am I the only one still struggling? At this point it is incredibly difficult to not get discouraged.  I've gotten tens of resume reviews, I tailor my resume to each position, etc. I just don't know if it's me, my experience, or something I am doing wrong.   Any feedback from people in the field at the moment, or recent grads that have been through this (or still are) would be incredibly appreciated!","c_root_id_A":"ggewt7d","c_root_id_B":"gged915","created_at_utc_A":1608419179,"created_at_utc_B":1608411432,"score_A":6,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"You're not alone. Graduated in May with a 3.7 GPA and I've been struggling. I guess we just have to keep applying and all. Goodluck!","human_ref_B":"Are you applying to defense contractors and willing to move? I've seen tons of movement there.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7747.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"kgg3ay","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Any other entry-level engineers still struggling to find employment after graduating? Or am I alone? Mechanical Engineering grad here. I have been applying to jobs (hundreds) since May. Am I the only one still struggling? At this point it is incredibly difficult to not get discouraged.  I've gotten tens of resume reviews, I tailor my resume to each position, etc. I just don't know if it's me, my experience, or something I am doing wrong.   Any feedback from people in the field at the moment, or recent grads that have been through this (or still are) would be incredibly appreciated!","c_root_id_A":"ggewp0d","c_root_id_B":"ggewt7d","created_at_utc_A":1608419134,"created_at_utc_B":1608419179,"score_A":3,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"What is your discipline and location?","human_ref_B":"You're not alone. Graduated in May with a 3.7 GPA and I've been struggling. I guess we just have to keep applying and all. Goodluck!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":45.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"ssp2ld","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"What is the most ridiculous thing you've had to bring to life after it was promised? So I know that engineers can cop a lot of hate from people that have to maintain the stuff that's designed.  But on the other flipside, I'm highly interested in automation, electric cars, etc.  As a result I also see things from companies like SpaceX.  And there's a good chunk of the industry that exists on Vapourware that sales guys dream, but seems tangibly impossible.  So it made me wonder, what are some (obviously gotta keep specifics intact) stories of things that were promised by a sales guy\/ceo\/whoever....and then they came to you and said \"Just make it work\"","c_root_id_A":"hwz4gjy","c_root_id_B":"hwz4m8d","created_at_utc_A":1644885719,"created_at_utc_B":1644885795,"score_A":39,"score_B":65,"human_ref_A":"A machine that is free standing (not bolted to the ground), but has more shaking force than it weights, and them it's not supposed to leave the ground when shaking....  The customer eventually conceeded floor anchors of some sort are needed, but it took us months (like 5 or so) to get there.","human_ref_B":"New missile. Advertised as twice the range, twice the speed, no increase in size, weight, or cost.  Needless to say, we did not deliver.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":76.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"ssp2ld","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"What is the most ridiculous thing you've had to bring to life after it was promised? So I know that engineers can cop a lot of hate from people that have to maintain the stuff that's designed.  But on the other flipside, I'm highly interested in automation, electric cars, etc.  As a result I also see things from companies like SpaceX.  And there's a good chunk of the industry that exists on Vapourware that sales guys dream, but seems tangibly impossible.  So it made me wonder, what are some (obviously gotta keep specifics intact) stories of things that were promised by a sales guy\/ceo\/whoever....and then they came to you and said \"Just make it work\"","c_root_id_A":"hwzczjx","c_root_id_B":"hwzj47f","created_at_utc_A":1644889835,"created_at_utc_B":1644892760,"score_A":26,"score_B":27,"human_ref_A":"A heat transfer device that would have needed 500 amps of 480 3-phase power to test. Once our facility manager explained it would have taken $50,000 in order to equip the building to provide that, the project died pretty quick. But not until I had already spent a month designing a prototype.","human_ref_B":"I built a 14mm diameter camera that could see at a sideways angle....for urethral insertion  I built a multileaf collimator something that is used to shaped radiation for cancer therapy, normally about 300 pounds and the size of a suitcase, but for mice. It was around the size of a deck of cards.  I built a vacuum powered chamber that you could mount a pig lung in, then we could record breathing patterns from respirators and...\"play\" them back on the lung.  I designed (but not built) a cable and plug for charging commercial trucks....manually operated....at 14MW  I built a robot that can go inside MRI machines  I built an $800k mobile robot to wheel around and industrial room to....and I shit you not.....read the gauges.  I built a three wheeled windsurfer for traveling on the road with no sail and a gas engine.  I built a wireless ROV to swim through power transformers and inspect them. Oh, that one was actually released as a product.  https:\/\/new.abb.com\/news\/detail\/7870\/abbs-txplore-robot-redefines-transformer-inspection","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2925.0,"score_ratio":1.0384615385}
{"post_id":"ssp2ld","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"What is the most ridiculous thing you've had to bring to life after it was promised? So I know that engineers can cop a lot of hate from people that have to maintain the stuff that's designed.  But on the other flipside, I'm highly interested in automation, electric cars, etc.  As a result I also see things from companies like SpaceX.  And there's a good chunk of the industry that exists on Vapourware that sales guys dream, but seems tangibly impossible.  So it made me wonder, what are some (obviously gotta keep specifics intact) stories of things that were promised by a sales guy\/ceo\/whoever....and then they came to you and said \"Just make it work\"","c_root_id_A":"hwzj47f","c_root_id_B":"hwz4zks","created_at_utc_A":1644892760,"created_at_utc_B":1644885973,"score_A":27,"score_B":22,"human_ref_A":"I built a 14mm diameter camera that could see at a sideways angle....for urethral insertion  I built a multileaf collimator something that is used to shaped radiation for cancer therapy, normally about 300 pounds and the size of a suitcase, but for mice. It was around the size of a deck of cards.  I built a vacuum powered chamber that you could mount a pig lung in, then we could record breathing patterns from respirators and...\"play\" them back on the lung.  I designed (but not built) a cable and plug for charging commercial trucks....manually operated....at 14MW  I built a robot that can go inside MRI machines  I built an $800k mobile robot to wheel around and industrial room to....and I shit you not.....read the gauges.  I built a three wheeled windsurfer for traveling on the road with no sail and a gas engine.  I built a wireless ROV to swim through power transformers and inspect them. Oh, that one was actually released as a product.  https:\/\/new.abb.com\/news\/detail\/7870\/abbs-txplore-robot-redefines-transformer-inspection","human_ref_B":"> And there's a good chunk of the industry that exists on Vapourware that sales guys dream, but seems tangibly impossible. [...] So it made me wonder, what are some (obviously gotta keep specifics intact) stories of things that were promised by a sales guy\/ceo\/whoever....and then they came to you and said \"Just make it work\"  It's not just \"sales\" people. Includes other engineers, engineering management, etc. that can be a bit out of touch with the real practicalities of things.   I feel like it's pretty much every day with that kind of stuff.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6787.0,"score_ratio":1.2272727273}
{"post_id":"ssp2ld","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"What is the most ridiculous thing you've had to bring to life after it was promised? So I know that engineers can cop a lot of hate from people that have to maintain the stuff that's designed.  But on the other flipside, I'm highly interested in automation, electric cars, etc.  As a result I also see things from companies like SpaceX.  And there's a good chunk of the industry that exists on Vapourware that sales guys dream, but seems tangibly impossible.  So it made me wonder, what are some (obviously gotta keep specifics intact) stories of things that were promised by a sales guy\/ceo\/whoever....and then they came to you and said \"Just make it work\"","c_root_id_A":"hwzj47f","c_root_id_B":"hwzidlr","created_at_utc_A":1644892760,"created_at_utc_B":1644892412,"score_A":27,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"I built a 14mm diameter camera that could see at a sideways angle....for urethral insertion  I built a multileaf collimator something that is used to shaped radiation for cancer therapy, normally about 300 pounds and the size of a suitcase, but for mice. It was around the size of a deck of cards.  I built a vacuum powered chamber that you could mount a pig lung in, then we could record breathing patterns from respirators and...\"play\" them back on the lung.  I designed (but not built) a cable and plug for charging commercial trucks....manually operated....at 14MW  I built a robot that can go inside MRI machines  I built an $800k mobile robot to wheel around and industrial room to....and I shit you not.....read the gauges.  I built a three wheeled windsurfer for traveling on the road with no sail and a gas engine.  I built a wireless ROV to swim through power transformers and inspect them. Oh, that one was actually released as a product.  https:\/\/new.abb.com\/news\/detail\/7870\/abbs-txplore-robot-redefines-transformer-inspection","human_ref_B":"A handheld digital device that had a bigger screen, touch interface, and more power than its predecessor... but also costs less","labels":1,"seconds_difference":348.0,"score_ratio":3.8571428571}
{"post_id":"ssp2ld","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"What is the most ridiculous thing you've had to bring to life after it was promised? So I know that engineers can cop a lot of hate from people that have to maintain the stuff that's designed.  But on the other flipside, I'm highly interested in automation, electric cars, etc.  As a result I also see things from companies like SpaceX.  And there's a good chunk of the industry that exists on Vapourware that sales guys dream, but seems tangibly impossible.  So it made me wonder, what are some (obviously gotta keep specifics intact) stories of things that were promised by a sales guy\/ceo\/whoever....and then they came to you and said \"Just make it work\"","c_root_id_A":"hwzczjx","c_root_id_B":"hwz4zks","created_at_utc_A":1644889835,"created_at_utc_B":1644885973,"score_A":26,"score_B":22,"human_ref_A":"A heat transfer device that would have needed 500 amps of 480 3-phase power to test. Once our facility manager explained it would have taken $50,000 in order to equip the building to provide that, the project died pretty quick. But not until I had already spent a month designing a prototype.","human_ref_B":"> And there's a good chunk of the industry that exists on Vapourware that sales guys dream, but seems tangibly impossible. [...] So it made me wonder, what are some (obviously gotta keep specifics intact) stories of things that were promised by a sales guy\/ceo\/whoever....and then they came to you and said \"Just make it work\"  It's not just \"sales\" people. Includes other engineers, engineering management, etc. that can be a bit out of touch with the real practicalities of things.   I feel like it's pretty much every day with that kind of stuff.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3862.0,"score_ratio":1.1818181818}
{"post_id":"ssp2ld","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"What is the most ridiculous thing you've had to bring to life after it was promised? So I know that engineers can cop a lot of hate from people that have to maintain the stuff that's designed.  But on the other flipside, I'm highly interested in automation, electric cars, etc.  As a result I also see things from companies like SpaceX.  And there's a good chunk of the industry that exists on Vapourware that sales guys dream, but seems tangibly impossible.  So it made me wonder, what are some (obviously gotta keep specifics intact) stories of things that were promised by a sales guy\/ceo\/whoever....and then they came to you and said \"Just make it work\"","c_root_id_A":"hwzo8tk","c_root_id_B":"hwzidlr","created_at_utc_A":1644895204,"created_at_utc_B":1644892412,"score_A":10,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Didn't build it but I had a manager ask me if I can design something to cool a 2000F vacuum furnace that was portable and didn't need bulk water.  It was an uncomfortable talk when I told her I could but her operators would pass out of heat stroke.","human_ref_B":"A handheld digital device that had a bigger screen, touch interface, and more power than its predecessor... but also costs less","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2792.0,"score_ratio":1.4285714286}
{"post_id":"ssp2ld","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"What is the most ridiculous thing you've had to bring to life after it was promised? So I know that engineers can cop a lot of hate from people that have to maintain the stuff that's designed.  But on the other flipside, I'm highly interested in automation, electric cars, etc.  As a result I also see things from companies like SpaceX.  And there's a good chunk of the industry that exists on Vapourware that sales guys dream, but seems tangibly impossible.  So it made me wonder, what are some (obviously gotta keep specifics intact) stories of things that were promised by a sales guy\/ceo\/whoever....and then they came to you and said \"Just make it work\"","c_root_id_A":"hwzidlr","c_root_id_B":"hx0eybo","created_at_utc_A":1644892412,"created_at_utc_B":1644911605,"score_A":7,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"A handheld digital device that had a bigger screen, touch interface, and more power than its predecessor... but also costs less","human_ref_B":"Back when I was machining full time, the boss quoted a job that had a gundrilled feature. If I'm remembering correctly, it was somewhere in the ballpark of 90xD for \u00d83\/8\" in 4340V MOD.       We got the job (~100 parts, around $7k ea) and were almost done what should have been our part of the machining when the gundrill shop we had booked had a fire that put them entirely out of commission for about 2 months. The other shops in our area were booked out for about that length of time as well. Our customer wasn't willing to wait that long and threatened to pull the job if we couldn't deliver. So I spent a week or so building a bunch of tool fixturing, spent another few days writing a fairly complicated program that monitored tool pressure and adjusted feed pressure accordingly and then another day or so tuning alignment, and turned a Mazak lathe into a functional gundrill.      Those kind of experiences were what really pushed me towards the manufacturing specialization. Designing stuff is pretty rewarding, but for me it doesn't replace the feeling of figuring out *how* to make it.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":19193.0,"score_ratio":1.2857142857}
{"post_id":"ssp2ld","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"What is the most ridiculous thing you've had to bring to life after it was promised? So I know that engineers can cop a lot of hate from people that have to maintain the stuff that's designed.  But on the other flipside, I'm highly interested in automation, electric cars, etc.  As a result I also see things from companies like SpaceX.  And there's a good chunk of the industry that exists on Vapourware that sales guys dream, but seems tangibly impossible.  So it made me wonder, what are some (obviously gotta keep specifics intact) stories of things that were promised by a sales guy\/ceo\/whoever....and then they came to you and said \"Just make it work\"","c_root_id_A":"hwzvbje","c_root_id_B":"hx0eybo","created_at_utc_A":1644898783,"created_at_utc_B":1644911605,"score_A":3,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"https:\/\/youtu.be\/BKorP55Aqvg","human_ref_B":"Back when I was machining full time, the boss quoted a job that had a gundrilled feature. If I'm remembering correctly, it was somewhere in the ballpark of 90xD for \u00d83\/8\" in 4340V MOD.       We got the job (~100 parts, around $7k ea) and were almost done what should have been our part of the machining when the gundrill shop we had booked had a fire that put them entirely out of commission for about 2 months. The other shops in our area were booked out for about that length of time as well. Our customer wasn't willing to wait that long and threatened to pull the job if we couldn't deliver. So I spent a week or so building a bunch of tool fixturing, spent another few days writing a fairly complicated program that monitored tool pressure and adjusted feed pressure accordingly and then another day or so tuning alignment, and turned a Mazak lathe into a functional gundrill.      Those kind of experiences were what really pushed me towards the manufacturing specialization. Designing stuff is pretty rewarding, but for me it doesn't replace the feeling of figuring out *how* to make it.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":12822.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"ssp2ld","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"What is the most ridiculous thing you've had to bring to life after it was promised? So I know that engineers can cop a lot of hate from people that have to maintain the stuff that's designed.  But on the other flipside, I'm highly interested in automation, electric cars, etc.  As a result I also see things from companies like SpaceX.  And there's a good chunk of the industry that exists on Vapourware that sales guys dream, but seems tangibly impossible.  So it made me wonder, what are some (obviously gotta keep specifics intact) stories of things that were promised by a sales guy\/ceo\/whoever....and then they came to you and said \"Just make it work\"","c_root_id_A":"hwzidlr","c_root_id_B":"hx1icqq","created_at_utc_A":1644892412,"created_at_utc_B":1644937121,"score_A":7,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"A handheld digital device that had a bigger screen, touch interface, and more power than its predecessor... but also costs less","human_ref_B":"An electronic control for a vehicle.  An automaker wanted to make a huge change in a module. Something that is doable, in 9-12 months. But they wanted it in 3 months. Our sales people felt they HAD to quote, but also knew they didn't want to win it. So they over bid by a lot. Very expensive.   No one else was dumb enough to bid, we won.   I worked 12 hours a day, 7 days a week, for 4 months. I was late, but we got it done. I got a gift card to Applebee's to thank me. No overtime.   I also got another job elsewhere. :)","labels":0,"seconds_difference":44709.0,"score_ratio":1.1428571429}
{"post_id":"ssp2ld","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"What is the most ridiculous thing you've had to bring to life after it was promised? So I know that engineers can cop a lot of hate from people that have to maintain the stuff that's designed.  But on the other flipside, I'm highly interested in automation, electric cars, etc.  As a result I also see things from companies like SpaceX.  And there's a good chunk of the industry that exists on Vapourware that sales guys dream, but seems tangibly impossible.  So it made me wonder, what are some (obviously gotta keep specifics intact) stories of things that were promised by a sales guy\/ceo\/whoever....and then they came to you and said \"Just make it work\"","c_root_id_A":"hx1icqq","c_root_id_B":"hx1c088","created_at_utc_A":1644937121,"created_at_utc_B":1644934340,"score_A":8,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"An electronic control for a vehicle.  An automaker wanted to make a huge change in a module. Something that is doable, in 9-12 months. But they wanted it in 3 months. Our sales people felt they HAD to quote, but also knew they didn't want to win it. So they over bid by a lot. Very expensive.   No one else was dumb enough to bid, we won.   I worked 12 hours a day, 7 days a week, for 4 months. I was late, but we got it done. I got a gift card to Applebee's to thank me. No overtime.   I also got another job elsewhere. :)","human_ref_B":"We mad to make a machine where if the part failed an inspection it ejected the part into a locked box. We couldn't trust people not to just build up the bad part into an assembly which would have been a huge safety issue to the consumer","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2781.0,"score_ratio":2.6666666667}
{"post_id":"ssp2ld","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"What is the most ridiculous thing you've had to bring to life after it was promised? So I know that engineers can cop a lot of hate from people that have to maintain the stuff that's designed.  But on the other flipside, I'm highly interested in automation, electric cars, etc.  As a result I also see things from companies like SpaceX.  And there's a good chunk of the industry that exists on Vapourware that sales guys dream, but seems tangibly impossible.  So it made me wonder, what are some (obviously gotta keep specifics intact) stories of things that were promised by a sales guy\/ceo\/whoever....and then they came to you and said \"Just make it work\"","c_root_id_A":"hx1icqq","c_root_id_B":"hwzvbje","created_at_utc_A":1644937121,"created_at_utc_B":1644898783,"score_A":8,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"An electronic control for a vehicle.  An automaker wanted to make a huge change in a module. Something that is doable, in 9-12 months. But they wanted it in 3 months. Our sales people felt they HAD to quote, but also knew they didn't want to win it. So they over bid by a lot. Very expensive.   No one else was dumb enough to bid, we won.   I worked 12 hours a day, 7 days a week, for 4 months. I was late, but we got it done. I got a gift card to Applebee's to thank me. No overtime.   I also got another job elsewhere. :)","human_ref_B":"https:\/\/youtu.be\/BKorP55Aqvg","labels":1,"seconds_difference":38338.0,"score_ratio":2.6666666667}
{"post_id":"ssp2ld","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"What is the most ridiculous thing you've had to bring to life after it was promised? So I know that engineers can cop a lot of hate from people that have to maintain the stuff that's designed.  But on the other flipside, I'm highly interested in automation, electric cars, etc.  As a result I also see things from companies like SpaceX.  And there's a good chunk of the industry that exists on Vapourware that sales guys dream, but seems tangibly impossible.  So it made me wonder, what are some (obviously gotta keep specifics intact) stories of things that were promised by a sales guy\/ceo\/whoever....and then they came to you and said \"Just make it work\"","c_root_id_A":"hx1icqq","c_root_id_B":"hx16xbb","created_at_utc_A":1644937121,"created_at_utc_B":1644931906,"score_A":8,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"An electronic control for a vehicle.  An automaker wanted to make a huge change in a module. Something that is doable, in 9-12 months. But they wanted it in 3 months. Our sales people felt they HAD to quote, but also knew they didn't want to win it. So they over bid by a lot. Very expensive.   No one else was dumb enough to bid, we won.   I worked 12 hours a day, 7 days a week, for 4 months. I was late, but we got it done. I got a gift card to Applebee's to thank me. No overtime.   I also got another job elsewhere. :)","human_ref_B":"A <1 cc\/rev gerotor pump that was 80-90% efficient while delivering 100 bar pressure from -40\u00b0C to 150\u00b0C.  The pump elements needed to be <$2 together and could not be matched sets.  The efficiency target was impossible from the start.  Hit 100 bar when 30\u00b0C with matched sets that cost about $100 each.  Oil was too thin above 30\u00b0C.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5215.0,"score_ratio":2.6666666667}
{"post_id":"ssp2ld","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"What is the most ridiculous thing you've had to bring to life after it was promised? So I know that engineers can cop a lot of hate from people that have to maintain the stuff that's designed.  But on the other flipside, I'm highly interested in automation, electric cars, etc.  As a result I also see things from companies like SpaceX.  And there's a good chunk of the industry that exists on Vapourware that sales guys dream, but seems tangibly impossible.  So it made me wonder, what are some (obviously gotta keep specifics intact) stories of things that were promised by a sales guy\/ceo\/whoever....and then they came to you and said \"Just make it work\"","c_root_id_A":"hx1cpta","c_root_id_B":"hx1icqq","created_at_utc_A":1644934667,"created_at_utc_B":1644937121,"score_A":2,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"Two giant camera holes (think 20\"x24\") cut into the bottom of a Cessna Caravan.   Actually doing stuff like that isn't typically a big deal. You figure out the loads you're removing, and gradually redistribute them around the cut skins, stringers, and frames. Key word is gradually. I'd typically use about 3\/4 the cutout length on either side to taper the load back into the primary structure. Call it 16 to 20 inches.   Customer's requirements for location gave us less than 4 inches.   Needless to say, the end result involved some pretty extensive changes to the baseline aircraft. About 18 months worth of design and stress iterating.","human_ref_B":"An electronic control for a vehicle.  An automaker wanted to make a huge change in a module. Something that is doable, in 9-12 months. But they wanted it in 3 months. Our sales people felt they HAD to quote, but also knew they didn't want to win it. So they over bid by a lot. Very expensive.   No one else was dumb enough to bid, we won.   I worked 12 hours a day, 7 days a week, for 4 months. I was late, but we got it done. I got a gift card to Applebee's to thank me. No overtime.   I also got another job elsewhere. :)","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2454.0,"score_ratio":4.0}
{"post_id":"y2ddmz","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.75,"history":"Mass shouldn't affect the top speed of an object, so why does rider weight affect the top speed of a motorcycle? This has been weirding me out forever, especially since I've experienced it myself. I lost some weight and my bike's top speed leapfrogged from barely being able to crack 90mph to comfortably keeping a GPS indicated 97mph.  And if you look on forums for smaller <125cc motorcycles and scooters, this is a pretty common occurence, where on the same bike, a 150lb rider can top out at 60-65mph easy, but a 250lb rider struggles to reach 55mph.","c_root_id_A":"is29m7d","c_root_id_B":"is296et","created_at_utc_A":1665604238,"created_at_utc_B":1665604071,"score_A":408,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"Less weight on tires causes less rolling resistance as well.","human_ref_B":"My bet would be the increase in frontal area, a heavier person is also going to be bigger. Top speed is primarily limited by wind resistance.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":167.0,"score_ratio":40.8}
{"post_id":"y2ddmz","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.75,"history":"Mass shouldn't affect the top speed of an object, so why does rider weight affect the top speed of a motorcycle? This has been weirding me out forever, especially since I've experienced it myself. I lost some weight and my bike's top speed leapfrogged from barely being able to crack 90mph to comfortably keeping a GPS indicated 97mph.  And if you look on forums for smaller <125cc motorcycles and scooters, this is a pretty common occurence, where on the same bike, a 150lb rider can top out at 60-65mph easy, but a 250lb rider struggles to reach 55mph.","c_root_id_A":"is296et","c_root_id_B":"is2b5t7","created_at_utc_A":1665604071,"created_at_utc_B":1665604820,"score_A":10,"score_B":82,"human_ref_A":"My bet would be the increase in frontal area, a heavier person is also going to be bigger. Top speed is primarily limited by wind resistance.","human_ref_B":"Why would mass not effect the top speed of an object? I don\u2019t believe this is a valid assumption, especially in a system with drag and friction involved","labels":0,"seconds_difference":749.0,"score_ratio":8.2}
{"post_id":"y2ddmz","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.75,"history":"Mass shouldn't affect the top speed of an object, so why does rider weight affect the top speed of a motorcycle? This has been weirding me out forever, especially since I've experienced it myself. I lost some weight and my bike's top speed leapfrogged from barely being able to crack 90mph to comfortably keeping a GPS indicated 97mph.  And if you look on forums for smaller <125cc motorcycles and scooters, this is a pretty common occurence, where on the same bike, a 150lb rider can top out at 60-65mph easy, but a 250lb rider struggles to reach 55mph.","c_root_id_A":"is2f6pj","c_root_id_B":"is296et","created_at_utc_A":1665606339,"created_at_utc_B":1665604071,"score_A":57,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"How fast can you push an empty cardboard box across the ground? How fast can you push it if it\u2019s full of rocks?  If weight doesn\u2019t effect top speed, why would those be different numbers? Just because wheels have much lower friction doesn\u2019t mean they don\u2019t follow the rules. The motorcycle has to work harder to spin the wheels when their axles have more weight on them because of increased friction in the system.","human_ref_B":"My bet would be the increase in frontal area, a heavier person is also going to be bigger. Top speed is primarily limited by wind resistance.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2268.0,"score_ratio":5.7}
{"post_id":"y2ddmz","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.75,"history":"Mass shouldn't affect the top speed of an object, so why does rider weight affect the top speed of a motorcycle? This has been weirding me out forever, especially since I've experienced it myself. I lost some weight and my bike's top speed leapfrogged from barely being able to crack 90mph to comfortably keeping a GPS indicated 97mph.  And if you look on forums for smaller <125cc motorcycles and scooters, this is a pretty common occurence, where on the same bike, a 150lb rider can top out at 60-65mph easy, but a 250lb rider struggles to reach 55mph.","c_root_id_A":"is2f6pj","c_root_id_B":"is2cjva","created_at_utc_A":1665606339,"created_at_utc_B":1665605352,"score_A":57,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"How fast can you push an empty cardboard box across the ground? How fast can you push it if it\u2019s full of rocks?  If weight doesn\u2019t effect top speed, why would those be different numbers? Just because wheels have much lower friction doesn\u2019t mean they don\u2019t follow the rules. The motorcycle has to work harder to spin the wheels when their axles have more weight on them because of increased friction in the system.","human_ref_B":"None of the rules of the universe say that \"mass shouldn't affect the top speed of an object.\" Case in point being two identical parachutes each carrying boxes of the same size. The parachute with the heavier box will reach a higher speed while falling.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":987.0,"score_ratio":9.5}
{"post_id":"y2ddmz","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.75,"history":"Mass shouldn't affect the top speed of an object, so why does rider weight affect the top speed of a motorcycle? This has been weirding me out forever, especially since I've experienced it myself. I lost some weight and my bike's top speed leapfrogged from barely being able to crack 90mph to comfortably keeping a GPS indicated 97mph.  And if you look on forums for smaller <125cc motorcycles and scooters, this is a pretty common occurence, where on the same bike, a 150lb rider can top out at 60-65mph easy, but a 250lb rider struggles to reach 55mph.","c_root_id_A":"is2bk55","c_root_id_B":"is2f6pj","created_at_utc_A":1665604974,"created_at_utc_B":1665606339,"score_A":3,"score_B":57,"human_ref_A":"More weight requires more power\/force for the same acceleration ... remaining in same speed requires motor power since you also have resistance ... and well, a motor has a max power output  So the point where the acceleration becomes 0 and as such you will reach the max speed, will be reached at lower speeds when there is a larger weight","human_ref_B":"How fast can you push an empty cardboard box across the ground? How fast can you push it if it\u2019s full of rocks?  If weight doesn\u2019t effect top speed, why would those be different numbers? Just because wheels have much lower friction doesn\u2019t mean they don\u2019t follow the rules. The motorcycle has to work harder to spin the wheels when their axles have more weight on them because of increased friction in the system.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1365.0,"score_ratio":19.0}
{"post_id":"y2ddmz","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.75,"history":"Mass shouldn't affect the top speed of an object, so why does rider weight affect the top speed of a motorcycle? This has been weirding me out forever, especially since I've experienced it myself. I lost some weight and my bike's top speed leapfrogged from barely being able to crack 90mph to comfortably keeping a GPS indicated 97mph.  And if you look on forums for smaller <125cc motorcycles and scooters, this is a pretty common occurence, where on the same bike, a 150lb rider can top out at 60-65mph easy, but a 250lb rider struggles to reach 55mph.","c_root_id_A":"is2n65n","c_root_id_B":"is2ijsg","created_at_utc_A":1665609355,"created_at_utc_B":1665607599,"score_A":54,"score_B":26,"human_ref_A":"Force diagram time!  In the x direction,  Fengine=MaxPower\/MaxSpeed  Fdrag=0.5pv^2 CdA  Ffriction=uN=umg (assuming flat road)  At top speed, total force in the x direction=ma=0 Aka, Fengine-Fdrag-Ffriction=0  The engines max power is dependent on the engine, so it does not change with weight. However, the frictional force is largely dependent on normal force, which is entirely dependent on weight.  Those saying it is due to air resistance have noticed a correlation between those heavier normally having larger cross sections, but a fit (dense and smaller cross section) person can possibly have equal weight to a fat, less dense, person but have nearly the same top speed ability.","human_ref_B":"I think most comments are missing out on the fact that the engine torque curve is not flat.  Sure, friction and rolling resistence might be a bit lower with less mass. But then OP can travel at slightly higher speed, and combustion engines put out more power at higher rpm, adding yet another speed boost. These effects build on top of each other until they eventually lose against air resistance.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1756.0,"score_ratio":2.0769230769}
{"post_id":"y2ddmz","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.75,"history":"Mass shouldn't affect the top speed of an object, so why does rider weight affect the top speed of a motorcycle? This has been weirding me out forever, especially since I've experienced it myself. I lost some weight and my bike's top speed leapfrogged from barely being able to crack 90mph to comfortably keeping a GPS indicated 97mph.  And if you look on forums for smaller <125cc motorcycles and scooters, this is a pretty common occurence, where on the same bike, a 150lb rider can top out at 60-65mph easy, but a 250lb rider struggles to reach 55mph.","c_root_id_A":"is2n65n","c_root_id_B":"is296et","created_at_utc_A":1665609355,"created_at_utc_B":1665604071,"score_A":54,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"Force diagram time!  In the x direction,  Fengine=MaxPower\/MaxSpeed  Fdrag=0.5pv^2 CdA  Ffriction=uN=umg (assuming flat road)  At top speed, total force in the x direction=ma=0 Aka, Fengine-Fdrag-Ffriction=0  The engines max power is dependent on the engine, so it does not change with weight. However, the frictional force is largely dependent on normal force, which is entirely dependent on weight.  Those saying it is due to air resistance have noticed a correlation between those heavier normally having larger cross sections, but a fit (dense and smaller cross section) person can possibly have equal weight to a fat, less dense, person but have nearly the same top speed ability.","human_ref_B":"My bet would be the increase in frontal area, a heavier person is also going to be bigger. Top speed is primarily limited by wind resistance.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5284.0,"score_ratio":5.4}
{"post_id":"y2ddmz","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.75,"history":"Mass shouldn't affect the top speed of an object, so why does rider weight affect the top speed of a motorcycle? This has been weirding me out forever, especially since I've experienced it myself. I lost some weight and my bike's top speed leapfrogged from barely being able to crack 90mph to comfortably keeping a GPS indicated 97mph.  And if you look on forums for smaller <125cc motorcycles and scooters, this is a pretty common occurence, where on the same bike, a 150lb rider can top out at 60-65mph easy, but a 250lb rider struggles to reach 55mph.","c_root_id_A":"is2n65n","c_root_id_B":"is2cjva","created_at_utc_A":1665609355,"created_at_utc_B":1665605352,"score_A":54,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Force diagram time!  In the x direction,  Fengine=MaxPower\/MaxSpeed  Fdrag=0.5pv^2 CdA  Ffriction=uN=umg (assuming flat road)  At top speed, total force in the x direction=ma=0 Aka, Fengine-Fdrag-Ffriction=0  The engines max power is dependent on the engine, so it does not change with weight. However, the frictional force is largely dependent on normal force, which is entirely dependent on weight.  Those saying it is due to air resistance have noticed a correlation between those heavier normally having larger cross sections, but a fit (dense and smaller cross section) person can possibly have equal weight to a fat, less dense, person but have nearly the same top speed ability.","human_ref_B":"None of the rules of the universe say that \"mass shouldn't affect the top speed of an object.\" Case in point being two identical parachutes each carrying boxes of the same size. The parachute with the heavier box will reach a higher speed while falling.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4003.0,"score_ratio":9.0}
{"post_id":"y2ddmz","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.75,"history":"Mass shouldn't affect the top speed of an object, so why does rider weight affect the top speed of a motorcycle? This has been weirding me out forever, especially since I've experienced it myself. I lost some weight and my bike's top speed leapfrogged from barely being able to crack 90mph to comfortably keeping a GPS indicated 97mph.  And if you look on forums for smaller <125cc motorcycles and scooters, this is a pretty common occurence, where on the same bike, a 150lb rider can top out at 60-65mph easy, but a 250lb rider struggles to reach 55mph.","c_root_id_A":"is2kcz2","c_root_id_B":"is2n65n","created_at_utc_A":1665608271,"created_at_utc_B":1665609355,"score_A":3,"score_B":54,"human_ref_A":"I just saw another reference to this between two guys comparing a lightweight Suzuki bike to a heavy police spec Honda Fury, saying \u201cweight doesn\u2019t matter once you\u2019re moving anyways they both move just as quick\u201d, really confused me. Is this just a sort of rumor\/pop science myth that people just hear and believe, that mass doesn\u2019t effect speed?   Consider why towing has max limits, what happens once you pass that limit, or why your car feels slower when fully loaded, and surely will not have the same max speed it would after cutting said weight. The premise is wrong, mass certainly effects speed, acceleration, COG and weight distribution, stopping distance and everything else as friction increases under load. More mass on an object requires proportionally more power to move it just as quickly as it would unloaded, therefore a vehicle outputting the same performance with and without a -100\/150+ difference will be slower in all ways when heavier.","human_ref_B":"Force diagram time!  In the x direction,  Fengine=MaxPower\/MaxSpeed  Fdrag=0.5pv^2 CdA  Ffriction=uN=umg (assuming flat road)  At top speed, total force in the x direction=ma=0 Aka, Fengine-Fdrag-Ffriction=0  The engines max power is dependent on the engine, so it does not change with weight. However, the frictional force is largely dependent on normal force, which is entirely dependent on weight.  Those saying it is due to air resistance have noticed a correlation between those heavier normally having larger cross sections, but a fit (dense and smaller cross section) person can possibly have equal weight to a fat, less dense, person but have nearly the same top speed ability.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1084.0,"score_ratio":18.0}
{"post_id":"y2ddmz","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.75,"history":"Mass shouldn't affect the top speed of an object, so why does rider weight affect the top speed of a motorcycle? This has been weirding me out forever, especially since I've experienced it myself. I lost some weight and my bike's top speed leapfrogged from barely being able to crack 90mph to comfortably keeping a GPS indicated 97mph.  And if you look on forums for smaller <125cc motorcycles and scooters, this is a pretty common occurence, where on the same bike, a 150lb rider can top out at 60-65mph easy, but a 250lb rider struggles to reach 55mph.","c_root_id_A":"is2n65n","c_root_id_B":"is2bk55","created_at_utc_A":1665609355,"created_at_utc_B":1665604974,"score_A":54,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Force diagram time!  In the x direction,  Fengine=MaxPower\/MaxSpeed  Fdrag=0.5pv^2 CdA  Ffriction=uN=umg (assuming flat road)  At top speed, total force in the x direction=ma=0 Aka, Fengine-Fdrag-Ffriction=0  The engines max power is dependent on the engine, so it does not change with weight. However, the frictional force is largely dependent on normal force, which is entirely dependent on weight.  Those saying it is due to air resistance have noticed a correlation between those heavier normally having larger cross sections, but a fit (dense and smaller cross section) person can possibly have equal weight to a fat, less dense, person but have nearly the same top speed ability.","human_ref_B":"More weight requires more power\/force for the same acceleration ... remaining in same speed requires motor power since you also have resistance ... and well, a motor has a max power output  So the point where the acceleration becomes 0 and as such you will reach the max speed, will be reached at lower speeds when there is a larger weight","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4381.0,"score_ratio":18.0}
{"post_id":"y2ddmz","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.75,"history":"Mass shouldn't affect the top speed of an object, so why does rider weight affect the top speed of a motorcycle? This has been weirding me out forever, especially since I've experienced it myself. I lost some weight and my bike's top speed leapfrogged from barely being able to crack 90mph to comfortably keeping a GPS indicated 97mph.  And if you look on forums for smaller <125cc motorcycles and scooters, this is a pretty common occurence, where on the same bike, a 150lb rider can top out at 60-65mph easy, but a 250lb rider struggles to reach 55mph.","c_root_id_A":"is2nj0r","c_root_id_B":"is2ijsg","created_at_utc_A":1665609497,"created_at_utc_B":1665607599,"score_A":50,"score_B":26,"human_ref_A":"Heavy riders are also big, and biggness causes air resistance.","human_ref_B":"I think most comments are missing out on the fact that the engine torque curve is not flat.  Sure, friction and rolling resistence might be a bit lower with less mass. But then OP can travel at slightly higher speed, and combustion engines put out more power at higher rpm, adding yet another speed boost. These effects build on top of each other until they eventually lose against air resistance.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1898.0,"score_ratio":1.9230769231}
{"post_id":"y2ddmz","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.75,"history":"Mass shouldn't affect the top speed of an object, so why does rider weight affect the top speed of a motorcycle? This has been weirding me out forever, especially since I've experienced it myself. I lost some weight and my bike's top speed leapfrogged from barely being able to crack 90mph to comfortably keeping a GPS indicated 97mph.  And if you look on forums for smaller <125cc motorcycles and scooters, this is a pretty common occurence, where on the same bike, a 150lb rider can top out at 60-65mph easy, but a 250lb rider struggles to reach 55mph.","c_root_id_A":"is2nj0r","c_root_id_B":"is296et","created_at_utc_A":1665609497,"created_at_utc_B":1665604071,"score_A":50,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"Heavy riders are also big, and biggness causes air resistance.","human_ref_B":"My bet would be the increase in frontal area, a heavier person is also going to be bigger. Top speed is primarily limited by wind resistance.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5426.0,"score_ratio":5.0}
{"post_id":"y2ddmz","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.75,"history":"Mass shouldn't affect the top speed of an object, so why does rider weight affect the top speed of a motorcycle? This has been weirding me out forever, especially since I've experienced it myself. I lost some weight and my bike's top speed leapfrogged from barely being able to crack 90mph to comfortably keeping a GPS indicated 97mph.  And if you look on forums for smaller <125cc motorcycles and scooters, this is a pretty common occurence, where on the same bike, a 150lb rider can top out at 60-65mph easy, but a 250lb rider struggles to reach 55mph.","c_root_id_A":"is2nj0r","c_root_id_B":"is2cjva","created_at_utc_A":1665609497,"created_at_utc_B":1665605352,"score_A":50,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Heavy riders are also big, and biggness causes air resistance.","human_ref_B":"None of the rules of the universe say that \"mass shouldn't affect the top speed of an object.\" Case in point being two identical parachutes each carrying boxes of the same size. The parachute with the heavier box will reach a higher speed while falling.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4145.0,"score_ratio":8.3333333333}
{"post_id":"y2ddmz","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.75,"history":"Mass shouldn't affect the top speed of an object, so why does rider weight affect the top speed of a motorcycle? This has been weirding me out forever, especially since I've experienced it myself. I lost some weight and my bike's top speed leapfrogged from barely being able to crack 90mph to comfortably keeping a GPS indicated 97mph.  And if you look on forums for smaller <125cc motorcycles and scooters, this is a pretty common occurence, where on the same bike, a 150lb rider can top out at 60-65mph easy, but a 250lb rider struggles to reach 55mph.","c_root_id_A":"is2nj0r","c_root_id_B":"is2kcz2","created_at_utc_A":1665609497,"created_at_utc_B":1665608271,"score_A":50,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Heavy riders are also big, and biggness causes air resistance.","human_ref_B":"I just saw another reference to this between two guys comparing a lightweight Suzuki bike to a heavy police spec Honda Fury, saying \u201cweight doesn\u2019t matter once you\u2019re moving anyways they both move just as quick\u201d, really confused me. Is this just a sort of rumor\/pop science myth that people just hear and believe, that mass doesn\u2019t effect speed?   Consider why towing has max limits, what happens once you pass that limit, or why your car feels slower when fully loaded, and surely will not have the same max speed it would after cutting said weight. The premise is wrong, mass certainly effects speed, acceleration, COG and weight distribution, stopping distance and everything else as friction increases under load. More mass on an object requires proportionally more power to move it just as quickly as it would unloaded, therefore a vehicle outputting the same performance with and without a -100\/150+ difference will be slower in all ways when heavier.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1226.0,"score_ratio":16.6666666667}
{"post_id":"y2ddmz","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.75,"history":"Mass shouldn't affect the top speed of an object, so why does rider weight affect the top speed of a motorcycle? This has been weirding me out forever, especially since I've experienced it myself. I lost some weight and my bike's top speed leapfrogged from barely being able to crack 90mph to comfortably keeping a GPS indicated 97mph.  And if you look on forums for smaller <125cc motorcycles and scooters, this is a pretty common occurence, where on the same bike, a 150lb rider can top out at 60-65mph easy, but a 250lb rider struggles to reach 55mph.","c_root_id_A":"is2nj0r","c_root_id_B":"is2bk55","created_at_utc_A":1665609497,"created_at_utc_B":1665604974,"score_A":50,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Heavy riders are also big, and biggness causes air resistance.","human_ref_B":"More weight requires more power\/force for the same acceleration ... remaining in same speed requires motor power since you also have resistance ... and well, a motor has a max power output  So the point where the acceleration becomes 0 and as such you will reach the max speed, will be reached at lower speeds when there is a larger weight","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4523.0,"score_ratio":16.6666666667}
{"post_id":"y2ddmz","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.75,"history":"Mass shouldn't affect the top speed of an object, so why does rider weight affect the top speed of a motorcycle? This has been weirding me out forever, especially since I've experienced it myself. I lost some weight and my bike's top speed leapfrogged from barely being able to crack 90mph to comfortably keeping a GPS indicated 97mph.  And if you look on forums for smaller <125cc motorcycles and scooters, this is a pretty common occurence, where on the same bike, a 150lb rider can top out at 60-65mph easy, but a 250lb rider struggles to reach 55mph.","c_root_id_A":"is296et","c_root_id_B":"is2ijsg","created_at_utc_A":1665604071,"created_at_utc_B":1665607599,"score_A":10,"score_B":26,"human_ref_A":"My bet would be the increase in frontal area, a heavier person is also going to be bigger. Top speed is primarily limited by wind resistance.","human_ref_B":"I think most comments are missing out on the fact that the engine torque curve is not flat.  Sure, friction and rolling resistence might be a bit lower with less mass. But then OP can travel at slightly higher speed, and combustion engines put out more power at higher rpm, adding yet another speed boost. These effects build on top of each other until they eventually lose against air resistance.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3528.0,"score_ratio":2.6}
{"post_id":"y2ddmz","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.75,"history":"Mass shouldn't affect the top speed of an object, so why does rider weight affect the top speed of a motorcycle? This has been weirding me out forever, especially since I've experienced it myself. I lost some weight and my bike's top speed leapfrogged from barely being able to crack 90mph to comfortably keeping a GPS indicated 97mph.  And if you look on forums for smaller <125cc motorcycles and scooters, this is a pretty common occurence, where on the same bike, a 150lb rider can top out at 60-65mph easy, but a 250lb rider struggles to reach 55mph.","c_root_id_A":"is2cjva","c_root_id_B":"is2ijsg","created_at_utc_A":1665605352,"created_at_utc_B":1665607599,"score_A":6,"score_B":26,"human_ref_A":"None of the rules of the universe say that \"mass shouldn't affect the top speed of an object.\" Case in point being two identical parachutes each carrying boxes of the same size. The parachute with the heavier box will reach a higher speed while falling.","human_ref_B":"I think most comments are missing out on the fact that the engine torque curve is not flat.  Sure, friction and rolling resistence might be a bit lower with less mass. But then OP can travel at slightly higher speed, and combustion engines put out more power at higher rpm, adding yet another speed boost. These effects build on top of each other until they eventually lose against air resistance.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2247.0,"score_ratio":4.3333333333}
{"post_id":"y2ddmz","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.75,"history":"Mass shouldn't affect the top speed of an object, so why does rider weight affect the top speed of a motorcycle? This has been weirding me out forever, especially since I've experienced it myself. I lost some weight and my bike's top speed leapfrogged from barely being able to crack 90mph to comfortably keeping a GPS indicated 97mph.  And if you look on forums for smaller <125cc motorcycles and scooters, this is a pretty common occurence, where on the same bike, a 150lb rider can top out at 60-65mph easy, but a 250lb rider struggles to reach 55mph.","c_root_id_A":"is2ijsg","c_root_id_B":"is2bk55","created_at_utc_A":1665607599,"created_at_utc_B":1665604974,"score_A":26,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I think most comments are missing out on the fact that the engine torque curve is not flat.  Sure, friction and rolling resistence might be a bit lower with less mass. But then OP can travel at slightly higher speed, and combustion engines put out more power at higher rpm, adding yet another speed boost. These effects build on top of each other until they eventually lose against air resistance.","human_ref_B":"More weight requires more power\/force for the same acceleration ... remaining in same speed requires motor power since you also have resistance ... and well, a motor has a max power output  So the point where the acceleration becomes 0 and as such you will reach the max speed, will be reached at lower speeds when there is a larger weight","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2625.0,"score_ratio":8.6666666667}
{"post_id":"y2ddmz","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.75,"history":"Mass shouldn't affect the top speed of an object, so why does rider weight affect the top speed of a motorcycle? This has been weirding me out forever, especially since I've experienced it myself. I lost some weight and my bike's top speed leapfrogged from barely being able to crack 90mph to comfortably keeping a GPS indicated 97mph.  And if you look on forums for smaller <125cc motorcycles and scooters, this is a pretty common occurence, where on the same bike, a 150lb rider can top out at 60-65mph easy, but a 250lb rider struggles to reach 55mph.","c_root_id_A":"is2cjva","c_root_id_B":"is2bk55","created_at_utc_A":1665605352,"created_at_utc_B":1665604974,"score_A":6,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"None of the rules of the universe say that \"mass shouldn't affect the top speed of an object.\" Case in point being two identical parachutes each carrying boxes of the same size. The parachute with the heavier box will reach a higher speed while falling.","human_ref_B":"More weight requires more power\/force for the same acceleration ... remaining in same speed requires motor power since you also have resistance ... and well, a motor has a max power output  So the point where the acceleration becomes 0 and as such you will reach the max speed, will be reached at lower speeds when there is a larger weight","labels":1,"seconds_difference":378.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"y2ddmz","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.75,"history":"Mass shouldn't affect the top speed of an object, so why does rider weight affect the top speed of a motorcycle? This has been weirding me out forever, especially since I've experienced it myself. I lost some weight and my bike's top speed leapfrogged from barely being able to crack 90mph to comfortably keeping a GPS indicated 97mph.  And if you look on forums for smaller <125cc motorcycles and scooters, this is a pretty common occurence, where on the same bike, a 150lb rider can top out at 60-65mph easy, but a 250lb rider struggles to reach 55mph.","c_root_id_A":"is2kcz2","c_root_id_B":"is3987i","created_at_utc_A":1665608271,"created_at_utc_B":1665618825,"score_A":3,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"I just saw another reference to this between two guys comparing a lightweight Suzuki bike to a heavy police spec Honda Fury, saying \u201cweight doesn\u2019t matter once you\u2019re moving anyways they both move just as quick\u201d, really confused me. Is this just a sort of rumor\/pop science myth that people just hear and believe, that mass doesn\u2019t effect speed?   Consider why towing has max limits, what happens once you pass that limit, or why your car feels slower when fully loaded, and surely will not have the same max speed it would after cutting said weight. The premise is wrong, mass certainly effects speed, acceleration, COG and weight distribution, stopping distance and everything else as friction increases under load. More mass on an object requires proportionally more power to move it just as quickly as it would unloaded, therefore a vehicle outputting the same performance with and without a -100\/150+ difference will be slower in all ways when heavier.","human_ref_B":"I\u2019m surprised nobody has brought up gearing. I believe when people say stuff like this, they often mean the theoretical top speed, which is limited by gearing. Your engine in your motorcycle can\u2019t rev up to infinity, it\u2019s going to have a limiter. Once you\u2019re in your highest gear and you reach your rpm limit, that will be your top speed. Now whether or not the engine can create enough power to overcome all the forces acting against it and reach its rev limiter in high gear is a different conversation.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10554.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"y2ddmz","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.75,"history":"Mass shouldn't affect the top speed of an object, so why does rider weight affect the top speed of a motorcycle? This has been weirding me out forever, especially since I've experienced it myself. I lost some weight and my bike's top speed leapfrogged from barely being able to crack 90mph to comfortably keeping a GPS indicated 97mph.  And if you look on forums for smaller <125cc motorcycles and scooters, this is a pretty common occurence, where on the same bike, a 150lb rider can top out at 60-65mph easy, but a 250lb rider struggles to reach 55mph.","c_root_id_A":"is3987i","c_root_id_B":"is2sswo","created_at_utc_A":1665618825,"created_at_utc_B":1665611616,"score_A":6,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019m surprised nobody has brought up gearing. I believe when people say stuff like this, they often mean the theoretical top speed, which is limited by gearing. Your engine in your motorcycle can\u2019t rev up to infinity, it\u2019s going to have a limiter. Once you\u2019re in your highest gear and you reach your rpm limit, that will be your top speed. Now whether or not the engine can create enough power to overcome all the forces acting against it and reach its rev limiter in high gear is a different conversation.","human_ref_B":"Rolling resistance and usually a heavier rider is bigger and has more drag.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7209.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"y2ddmz","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.75,"history":"Mass shouldn't affect the top speed of an object, so why does rider weight affect the top speed of a motorcycle? This has been weirding me out forever, especially since I've experienced it myself. I lost some weight and my bike's top speed leapfrogged from barely being able to crack 90mph to comfortably keeping a GPS indicated 97mph.  And if you look on forums for smaller <125cc motorcycles and scooters, this is a pretty common occurence, where on the same bike, a 150lb rider can top out at 60-65mph easy, but a 250lb rider struggles to reach 55mph.","c_root_id_A":"is3987i","c_root_id_B":"is2bk55","created_at_utc_A":1665618825,"created_at_utc_B":1665604974,"score_A":6,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019m surprised nobody has brought up gearing. I believe when people say stuff like this, they often mean the theoretical top speed, which is limited by gearing. Your engine in your motorcycle can\u2019t rev up to infinity, it\u2019s going to have a limiter. Once you\u2019re in your highest gear and you reach your rpm limit, that will be your top speed. Now whether or not the engine can create enough power to overcome all the forces acting against it and reach its rev limiter in high gear is a different conversation.","human_ref_B":"More weight requires more power\/force for the same acceleration ... remaining in same speed requires motor power since you also have resistance ... and well, a motor has a max power output  So the point where the acceleration becomes 0 and as such you will reach the max speed, will be reached at lower speeds when there is a larger weight","labels":1,"seconds_difference":13851.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"y2ddmz","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.75,"history":"Mass shouldn't affect the top speed of an object, so why does rider weight affect the top speed of a motorcycle? This has been weirding me out forever, especially since I've experienced it myself. I lost some weight and my bike's top speed leapfrogged from barely being able to crack 90mph to comfortably keeping a GPS indicated 97mph.  And if you look on forums for smaller <125cc motorcycles and scooters, this is a pretty common occurence, where on the same bike, a 150lb rider can top out at 60-65mph easy, but a 250lb rider struggles to reach 55mph.","c_root_id_A":"is2sswo","c_root_id_B":"is2kcz2","created_at_utc_A":1665611616,"created_at_utc_B":1665608271,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Rolling resistance and usually a heavier rider is bigger and has more drag.","human_ref_B":"I just saw another reference to this between two guys comparing a lightweight Suzuki bike to a heavy police spec Honda Fury, saying \u201cweight doesn\u2019t matter once you\u2019re moving anyways they both move just as quick\u201d, really confused me. Is this just a sort of rumor\/pop science myth that people just hear and believe, that mass doesn\u2019t effect speed?   Consider why towing has max limits, what happens once you pass that limit, or why your car feels slower when fully loaded, and surely will not have the same max speed it would after cutting said weight. The premise is wrong, mass certainly effects speed, acceleration, COG and weight distribution, stopping distance and everything else as friction increases under load. More mass on an object requires proportionally more power to move it just as quickly as it would unloaded, therefore a vehicle outputting the same performance with and without a -100\/150+ difference will be slower in all ways when heavier.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3345.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"y2ddmz","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.75,"history":"Mass shouldn't affect the top speed of an object, so why does rider weight affect the top speed of a motorcycle? This has been weirding me out forever, especially since I've experienced it myself. I lost some weight and my bike's top speed leapfrogged from barely being able to crack 90mph to comfortably keeping a GPS indicated 97mph.  And if you look on forums for smaller <125cc motorcycles and scooters, this is a pretty common occurence, where on the same bike, a 150lb rider can top out at 60-65mph easy, but a 250lb rider struggles to reach 55mph.","c_root_id_A":"is2sswo","c_root_id_B":"is2bk55","created_at_utc_A":1665611616,"created_at_utc_B":1665604974,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Rolling resistance and usually a heavier rider is bigger and has more drag.","human_ref_B":"More weight requires more power\/force for the same acceleration ... remaining in same speed requires motor power since you also have resistance ... and well, a motor has a max power output  So the point where the acceleration becomes 0 and as such you will reach the max speed, will be reached at lower speeds when there is a larger weight","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6642.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"t35sx","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"Do you ever refer back to your college textbooks? I'll be moving soon, and as I try to reduce the weight of my haul, I'm looking at my old college textbooks and wondering if I'm really ever going to look at them again.   I've enjoyed having them adorn my bookshelf for the past three years, but haven't actually looked at a single one. Is it time to rid myself of them?  Follow up: if so, are 3-6 year old textbooks worth anything to a used book store\/library or should they be recycled?","c_root_id_A":"c4j5u4x","c_root_id_B":"c4j50j0","created_at_utc_A":1335967662,"created_at_utc_B":1335962133,"score_A":39,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"God yes keep them. A thermo problem came up at work and reading other peoples books sucks. There is nothing like rereading a problem in the context in which you learned it","human_ref_B":"Depends on what you plan on doing.  Going to grad school? Keep them.  FE\/PE exams?  Somewhat useful.  Getting a industry jerb? Hell if I know.  I'd ditch anything that's outdated such that it's full of incorrect information (old bio books come to mind for this BME).  As for the stuff that you have lying around that hasn't changed much in the last 6-500 years, like calc, fluids, statics, etc, keep them if they were useful to you.  I have text books from undergrad that have many tabs and notes in them, which I will never give up.  If it wasn't a good reference for you when you were IN school, you should find a different book if you need a text in that subject again. d Amazon, thrift stores, and college-buy-back stores will all take your books if they can re-sell them.  You could donate them to a local community college (some students can't afford books), hawk them on ebay, or post something near a university offering them for cheap\/free.  If you have a copy of Transport Phenomena by Bird, Steward, and Lightfoot that you don't want, I could use a second copy.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5529.0,"score_ratio":3.9}
{"post_id":"t35sx","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"Do you ever refer back to your college textbooks? I'll be moving soon, and as I try to reduce the weight of my haul, I'm looking at my old college textbooks and wondering if I'm really ever going to look at them again.   I've enjoyed having them adorn my bookshelf for the past three years, but haven't actually looked at a single one. Is it time to rid myself of them?  Follow up: if so, are 3-6 year old textbooks worth anything to a used book store\/library or should they be recycled?","c_root_id_A":"c4j54ae","c_root_id_B":"c4j5u4x","created_at_utc_A":1335962971,"created_at_utc_B":1335967662,"score_A":9,"score_B":39,"human_ref_A":"About 2 or 3 times a year I wish I still had my textbooks.  Usually I could answer a question in 30 minutes with an old book but it takes me half a day to answer it via Google.  Not sure if that's worth carrying around all those dead trees (especially if I'm out in the field and these questions come up).","human_ref_B":"God yes keep them. A thermo problem came up at work and reading other peoples books sucks. There is nothing like rereading a problem in the context in which you learned it","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4691.0,"score_ratio":4.3333333333}
{"post_id":"t35sx","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"Do you ever refer back to your college textbooks? I'll be moving soon, and as I try to reduce the weight of my haul, I'm looking at my old college textbooks and wondering if I'm really ever going to look at them again.   I've enjoyed having them adorn my bookshelf for the past three years, but haven't actually looked at a single one. Is it time to rid myself of them?  Follow up: if so, are 3-6 year old textbooks worth anything to a used book store\/library or should they be recycled?","c_root_id_A":"c4j5u4x","c_root_id_B":"c4j5dgs","created_at_utc_A":1335967662,"created_at_utc_B":1335964835,"score_A":39,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"God yes keep them. A thermo problem came up at work and reading other peoples books sucks. There is nothing like rereading a problem in the context in which you learned it","human_ref_B":"I've kept all of mine and refer back to them on a fairly regular basis.  Once I get my PE though, I doubt I'll be keeping all of them.  Also, usually what I refer back to can easily be found on the internet too (tables for rebar, steel, etc.).  Not sure what type of engineering you're in, but any design related books I would keep and any fundamentals books (i.e. Calc, diff. eq., physics, chemistry, etc.) sell or recycle.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2827.0,"score_ratio":5.5714285714}
{"post_id":"t35sx","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"Do you ever refer back to your college textbooks? I'll be moving soon, and as I try to reduce the weight of my haul, I'm looking at my old college textbooks and wondering if I'm really ever going to look at them again.   I've enjoyed having them adorn my bookshelf for the past three years, but haven't actually looked at a single one. Is it time to rid myself of them?  Follow up: if so, are 3-6 year old textbooks worth anything to a used book store\/library or should they be recycled?","c_root_id_A":"c4j5u4x","c_root_id_B":"c4j5o7h","created_at_utc_A":1335967662,"created_at_utc_B":1335966702,"score_A":39,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"God yes keep them. A thermo problem came up at work and reading other peoples books sucks. There is nothing like rereading a problem in the context in which you learned it","human_ref_B":"This is your bible.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":960.0,"score_ratio":7.8}
{"post_id":"t35sx","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"Do you ever refer back to your college textbooks? I'll be moving soon, and as I try to reduce the weight of my haul, I'm looking at my old college textbooks and wondering if I'm really ever going to look at them again.   I've enjoyed having them adorn my bookshelf for the past three years, but haven't actually looked at a single one. Is it time to rid myself of them?  Follow up: if so, are 3-6 year old textbooks worth anything to a used book store\/library or should they be recycled?","c_root_id_A":"c4j5u4x","c_root_id_B":"c4j514b","created_at_utc_A":1335967662,"created_at_utc_B":1335962272,"score_A":39,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"God yes keep them. A thermo problem came up at work and reading other peoples books sucks. There is nothing like rereading a problem in the context in which you learned it","human_ref_B":"At least once a week I'm looking at Shigley's. Depends on what your role is, but no way I'd get rid of my books.   Also if\/when you're writing a report, citing URLs is not going to make you look credible.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5390.0,"score_ratio":9.75}
{"post_id":"t35sx","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"Do you ever refer back to your college textbooks? I'll be moving soon, and as I try to reduce the weight of my haul, I'm looking at my old college textbooks and wondering if I'm really ever going to look at them again.   I've enjoyed having them adorn my bookshelf for the past three years, but haven't actually looked at a single one. Is it time to rid myself of them?  Follow up: if so, are 3-6 year old textbooks worth anything to a used book store\/library or should they be recycled?","c_root_id_A":"c4j5u4x","c_root_id_B":"c4j5pf7","created_at_utc_A":1335967662,"created_at_utc_B":1335966899,"score_A":39,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"God yes keep them. A thermo problem came up at work and reading other peoples books sucks. There is nothing like rereading a problem in the context in which you learned it","human_ref_B":"I didn't read mine in college, I don't think I'd start now...","labels":1,"seconds_difference":763.0,"score_ratio":9.75}
{"post_id":"t35sx","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"Do you ever refer back to your college textbooks? I'll be moving soon, and as I try to reduce the weight of my haul, I'm looking at my old college textbooks and wondering if I'm really ever going to look at them again.   I've enjoyed having them adorn my bookshelf for the past three years, but haven't actually looked at a single one. Is it time to rid myself of them?  Follow up: if so, are 3-6 year old textbooks worth anything to a used book store\/library or should they be recycled?","c_root_id_A":"c4j5u4x","c_root_id_B":"c4j4x4z","created_at_utc_A":1335967662,"created_at_utc_B":1335961339,"score_A":39,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"God yes keep them. A thermo problem came up at work and reading other peoples books sucks. There is nothing like rereading a problem in the context in which you learned it","human_ref_B":"I have on occasion used my books, but mostly i just look up whatever i need to find on the internet :)  However, i never throw out a book(a principle), and its nice to know where to go for a brush up on whatever. The internet will usually have the knowledge in a ton of different places, whereas the book will have all the knowledge you need in, well, the book :)","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6323.0,"score_ratio":19.5}
{"post_id":"t35sx","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"Do you ever refer back to your college textbooks? I'll be moving soon, and as I try to reduce the weight of my haul, I'm looking at my old college textbooks and wondering if I'm really ever going to look at them again.   I've enjoyed having them adorn my bookshelf for the past three years, but haven't actually looked at a single one. Is it time to rid myself of them?  Follow up: if so, are 3-6 year old textbooks worth anything to a used book store\/library or should they be recycled?","c_root_id_A":"c4j4x4z","c_root_id_B":"c4j50j0","created_at_utc_A":1335961339,"created_at_utc_B":1335962133,"score_A":2,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"I have on occasion used my books, but mostly i just look up whatever i need to find on the internet :)  However, i never throw out a book(a principle), and its nice to know where to go for a brush up on whatever. The internet will usually have the knowledge in a ton of different places, whereas the book will have all the knowledge you need in, well, the book :)","human_ref_B":"Depends on what you plan on doing.  Going to grad school? Keep them.  FE\/PE exams?  Somewhat useful.  Getting a industry jerb? Hell if I know.  I'd ditch anything that's outdated such that it's full of incorrect information (old bio books come to mind for this BME).  As for the stuff that you have lying around that hasn't changed much in the last 6-500 years, like calc, fluids, statics, etc, keep them if they were useful to you.  I have text books from undergrad that have many tabs and notes in them, which I will never give up.  If it wasn't a good reference for you when you were IN school, you should find a different book if you need a text in that subject again. d Amazon, thrift stores, and college-buy-back stores will all take your books if they can re-sell them.  You could donate them to a local community college (some students can't afford books), hawk them on ebay, or post something near a university offering them for cheap\/free.  If you have a copy of Transport Phenomena by Bird, Steward, and Lightfoot that you don't want, I could use a second copy.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":794.0,"score_ratio":5.0}
{"post_id":"t35sx","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"Do you ever refer back to your college textbooks? I'll be moving soon, and as I try to reduce the weight of my haul, I'm looking at my old college textbooks and wondering if I'm really ever going to look at them again.   I've enjoyed having them adorn my bookshelf for the past three years, but haven't actually looked at a single one. Is it time to rid myself of them?  Follow up: if so, are 3-6 year old textbooks worth anything to a used book store\/library or should they be recycled?","c_root_id_A":"c4j54ae","c_root_id_B":"c4j514b","created_at_utc_A":1335962971,"created_at_utc_B":1335962272,"score_A":9,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"About 2 or 3 times a year I wish I still had my textbooks.  Usually I could answer a question in 30 minutes with an old book but it takes me half a day to answer it via Google.  Not sure if that's worth carrying around all those dead trees (especially if I'm out in the field and these questions come up).","human_ref_B":"At least once a week I'm looking at Shigley's. Depends on what your role is, but no way I'd get rid of my books.   Also if\/when you're writing a report, citing URLs is not going to make you look credible.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":699.0,"score_ratio":2.25}
{"post_id":"t35sx","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"Do you ever refer back to your college textbooks? I'll be moving soon, and as I try to reduce the weight of my haul, I'm looking at my old college textbooks and wondering if I'm really ever going to look at them again.   I've enjoyed having them adorn my bookshelf for the past three years, but haven't actually looked at a single one. Is it time to rid myself of them?  Follow up: if so, are 3-6 year old textbooks worth anything to a used book store\/library or should they be recycled?","c_root_id_A":"c4j54ae","c_root_id_B":"c4j4x4z","created_at_utc_A":1335962971,"created_at_utc_B":1335961339,"score_A":9,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"About 2 or 3 times a year I wish I still had my textbooks.  Usually I could answer a question in 30 minutes with an old book but it takes me half a day to answer it via Google.  Not sure if that's worth carrying around all those dead trees (especially if I'm out in the field and these questions come up).","human_ref_B":"I have on occasion used my books, but mostly i just look up whatever i need to find on the internet :)  However, i never throw out a book(a principle), and its nice to know where to go for a brush up on whatever. The internet will usually have the knowledge in a ton of different places, whereas the book will have all the knowledge you need in, well, the book :)","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1632.0,"score_ratio":4.5}
{"post_id":"t35sx","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"Do you ever refer back to your college textbooks? I'll be moving soon, and as I try to reduce the weight of my haul, I'm looking at my old college textbooks and wondering if I'm really ever going to look at them again.   I've enjoyed having them adorn my bookshelf for the past three years, but haven't actually looked at a single one. Is it time to rid myself of them?  Follow up: if so, are 3-6 year old textbooks worth anything to a used book store\/library or should they be recycled?","c_root_id_A":"c4j5dgs","c_root_id_B":"c4j514b","created_at_utc_A":1335964835,"created_at_utc_B":1335962272,"score_A":7,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I've kept all of mine and refer back to them on a fairly regular basis.  Once I get my PE though, I doubt I'll be keeping all of them.  Also, usually what I refer back to can easily be found on the internet too (tables for rebar, steel, etc.).  Not sure what type of engineering you're in, but any design related books I would keep and any fundamentals books (i.e. Calc, diff. eq., physics, chemistry, etc.) sell or recycle.","human_ref_B":"At least once a week I'm looking at Shigley's. Depends on what your role is, but no way I'd get rid of my books.   Also if\/when you're writing a report, citing URLs is not going to make you look credible.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2563.0,"score_ratio":1.75}
{"post_id":"t35sx","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"Do you ever refer back to your college textbooks? I'll be moving soon, and as I try to reduce the weight of my haul, I'm looking at my old college textbooks and wondering if I'm really ever going to look at them again.   I've enjoyed having them adorn my bookshelf for the past three years, but haven't actually looked at a single one. Is it time to rid myself of them?  Follow up: if so, are 3-6 year old textbooks worth anything to a used book store\/library or should they be recycled?","c_root_id_A":"c4j5dgs","c_root_id_B":"c4j4x4z","created_at_utc_A":1335964835,"created_at_utc_B":1335961339,"score_A":7,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I've kept all of mine and refer back to them on a fairly regular basis.  Once I get my PE though, I doubt I'll be keeping all of them.  Also, usually what I refer back to can easily be found on the internet too (tables for rebar, steel, etc.).  Not sure what type of engineering you're in, but any design related books I would keep and any fundamentals books (i.e. Calc, diff. eq., physics, chemistry, etc.) sell or recycle.","human_ref_B":"I have on occasion used my books, but mostly i just look up whatever i need to find on the internet :)  However, i never throw out a book(a principle), and its nice to know where to go for a brush up on whatever. The internet will usually have the knowledge in a ton of different places, whereas the book will have all the knowledge you need in, well, the book :)","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3496.0,"score_ratio":3.5}
{"post_id":"t35sx","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"Do you ever refer back to your college textbooks? I'll be moving soon, and as I try to reduce the weight of my haul, I'm looking at my old college textbooks and wondering if I'm really ever going to look at them again.   I've enjoyed having them adorn my bookshelf for the past three years, but haven't actually looked at a single one. Is it time to rid myself of them?  Follow up: if so, are 3-6 year old textbooks worth anything to a used book store\/library or should they be recycled?","c_root_id_A":"c4j5o7h","c_root_id_B":"c4j514b","created_at_utc_A":1335966702,"created_at_utc_B":1335962272,"score_A":5,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"This is your bible.","human_ref_B":"At least once a week I'm looking at Shigley's. Depends on what your role is, but no way I'd get rid of my books.   Also if\/when you're writing a report, citing URLs is not going to make you look credible.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4430.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"t35sx","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"Do you ever refer back to your college textbooks? I'll be moving soon, and as I try to reduce the weight of my haul, I'm looking at my old college textbooks and wondering if I'm really ever going to look at them again.   I've enjoyed having them adorn my bookshelf for the past three years, but haven't actually looked at a single one. Is it time to rid myself of them?  Follow up: if so, are 3-6 year old textbooks worth anything to a used book store\/library or should they be recycled?","c_root_id_A":"c4j5o7h","c_root_id_B":"c4j4x4z","created_at_utc_A":1335966702,"created_at_utc_B":1335961339,"score_A":5,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"This is your bible.","human_ref_B":"I have on occasion used my books, but mostly i just look up whatever i need to find on the internet :)  However, i never throw out a book(a principle), and its nice to know where to go for a brush up on whatever. The internet will usually have the knowledge in a ton of different places, whereas the book will have all the knowledge you need in, well, the book :)","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5363.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"t35sx","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"Do you ever refer back to your college textbooks? I'll be moving soon, and as I try to reduce the weight of my haul, I'm looking at my old college textbooks and wondering if I'm really ever going to look at them again.   I've enjoyed having them adorn my bookshelf for the past three years, but haven't actually looked at a single one. Is it time to rid myself of them?  Follow up: if so, are 3-6 year old textbooks worth anything to a used book store\/library or should they be recycled?","c_root_id_A":"c4j514b","c_root_id_B":"c4j4x4z","created_at_utc_A":1335962272,"created_at_utc_B":1335961339,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"At least once a week I'm looking at Shigley's. Depends on what your role is, but no way I'd get rid of my books.   Also if\/when you're writing a report, citing URLs is not going to make you look credible.","human_ref_B":"I have on occasion used my books, but mostly i just look up whatever i need to find on the internet :)  However, i never throw out a book(a principle), and its nice to know where to go for a brush up on whatever. The internet will usually have the knowledge in a ton of different places, whereas the book will have all the knowledge you need in, well, the book :)","labels":1,"seconds_difference":933.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"t35sx","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"Do you ever refer back to your college textbooks? I'll be moving soon, and as I try to reduce the weight of my haul, I'm looking at my old college textbooks and wondering if I'm really ever going to look at them again.   I've enjoyed having them adorn my bookshelf for the past three years, but haven't actually looked at a single one. Is it time to rid myself of them?  Follow up: if so, are 3-6 year old textbooks worth anything to a used book store\/library or should they be recycled?","c_root_id_A":"c4j4x4z","c_root_id_B":"c4j5pf7","created_at_utc_A":1335961339,"created_at_utc_B":1335966899,"score_A":2,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I have on occasion used my books, but mostly i just look up whatever i need to find on the internet :)  However, i never throw out a book(a principle), and its nice to know where to go for a brush up on whatever. The internet will usually have the knowledge in a ton of different places, whereas the book will have all the knowledge you need in, well, the book :)","human_ref_B":"I didn't read mine in college, I don't think I'd start now...","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5560.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"o0f1ic","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"How do I find \"billable time\" when work is slow and budgets are spent?!? Background: I'm a water resources engineer with a P.E. license. Around 5 years experience. The most stressful part of my job is filling out my timesheet. I'm always being pressured to find billable hours but it's difficult most weeks. Project managers are very wary of overspending their budgets or they don't want to take the time to explain what they need help on. This week has been better so far because of some water main work that came up but that's not going to last me very long. I have projects coming up but my past few weeks have been very stressful. I've used my vacation time to fill in the gaps but now I've used most of that.       Is this something that everyone deals with?","c_root_id_A":"h1ulfpw","c_root_id_B":"h1ulhd0","created_at_utc_A":1623766189,"created_at_utc_B":1623766210,"score_A":60,"score_B":228,"human_ref_A":"I just fill out my timesheet accurately. If I spend any of my time on non-billable assignments, I note it as such and don't worry about it.  If upper management were so worried about making sure everybody spent all their time being billable (not entirely realistic, but that's another topic), they would work  harder to make sure there was more billable work for everyone.","human_ref_B":"Your management provides your work. If you are short, they need to make up the shortfall, or your time is billed to \"overhead\".      Never use PTO to make up for their lack of planning.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":21.0,"score_ratio":3.8}
{"post_id":"o0f1ic","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"How do I find \"billable time\" when work is slow and budgets are spent?!? Background: I'm a water resources engineer with a P.E. license. Around 5 years experience. The most stressful part of my job is filling out my timesheet. I'm always being pressured to find billable hours but it's difficult most weeks. Project managers are very wary of overspending their budgets or they don't want to take the time to explain what they need help on. This week has been better so far because of some water main work that came up but that's not going to last me very long. I have projects coming up but my past few weeks have been very stressful. I've used my vacation time to fill in the gaps but now I've used most of that.       Is this something that everyone deals with?","c_root_id_A":"h1ut0o7","c_root_id_B":"h1uomwj","created_at_utc_A":1623769671,"created_at_utc_B":1623767692,"score_A":42,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"Never use PTO when in the office.  Hell, Charge time anytime you respond to emails or phone calls when on vacation and not use your precious PTO.     If you don't have billable work to do, ask if you need to do any BD or other activities to get some more work.","human_ref_B":"All but one of my five jobs in manufacturing have had this issue and it's always been stressful - particularly at one corporate job where I had entire weeks where no work was assigned to me (I gtfo'd as soon as possible).   The root cause of the stress is pretty much always just that management never really tells employees how to account for non-billable time and there being simultaneously a demand that all your hours be accounted for and an unspoken assumption that all your time is spent on billable projects, because otherwise your management looks bad (which has usually been the case in my experience).   Depending on precedent with the company, I either inflate hours spent on projects or bill to an overhead code. If I know or suspect billing to overhead would be damaging to me, I won't do it if there's any plausible way I could say I spent it on project time - but when I get to that point, I've generally been thinking of leaving the company for a while.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1979.0,"score_ratio":2.4705882353}
{"post_id":"o0f1ic","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"How do I find \"billable time\" when work is slow and budgets are spent?!? Background: I'm a water resources engineer with a P.E. license. Around 5 years experience. The most stressful part of my job is filling out my timesheet. I'm always being pressured to find billable hours but it's difficult most weeks. Project managers are very wary of overspending their budgets or they don't want to take the time to explain what they need help on. This week has been better so far because of some water main work that came up but that's not going to last me very long. I have projects coming up but my past few weeks have been very stressful. I've used my vacation time to fill in the gaps but now I've used most of that.       Is this something that everyone deals with?","c_root_id_A":"h1urk6k","c_root_id_B":"h1ut0o7","created_at_utc_A":1623769010,"created_at_utc_B":1623769671,"score_A":9,"score_B":42,"human_ref_A":"I'm guessing you work as a consultant engineer, same as me.  Dude, it effing blows sometimes. I've been st it for 7 years and am so burnt out.","human_ref_B":"Never use PTO when in the office.  Hell, Charge time anytime you respond to emails or phone calls when on vacation and not use your precious PTO.     If you don't have billable work to do, ask if you need to do any BD or other activities to get some more work.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":661.0,"score_ratio":4.6666666667}
{"post_id":"o0f1ic","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"How do I find \"billable time\" when work is slow and budgets are spent?!? Background: I'm a water resources engineer with a P.E. license. Around 5 years experience. The most stressful part of my job is filling out my timesheet. I'm always being pressured to find billable hours but it's difficult most weeks. Project managers are very wary of overspending their budgets or they don't want to take the time to explain what they need help on. This week has been better so far because of some water main work that came up but that's not going to last me very long. I have projects coming up but my past few weeks have been very stressful. I've used my vacation time to fill in the gaps but now I've used most of that.       Is this something that everyone deals with?","c_root_id_A":"h1umq4q","c_root_id_B":"h1ut0o7","created_at_utc_A":1623766803,"created_at_utc_B":1623769671,"score_A":4,"score_B":42,"human_ref_A":"Not everyone. Only certain sectors of engineering operate in that space. I've lived in it for over a decade.   Although developing a good network internal to your company can help generate billable work in a pinch, ultimately it's on people above you to provide billable work. Managers and BD folks exist to win contracts.  The moment even the prospect of needing to use my vacation to fill my timesheet arises, I am telling my manager. Unless they provide me some indication they are working on it, I continue to badger them. When the day comes, I send an email to my manager and team members, telling them I am unavailable because I don't have work.   If you eventually run out of PTO, you'll need to ask your manager what you should put in your timesheet. Assuming you are in the US and doing at-will employment, things get interesting here. By law, the company is required to pay your salary as long as you show up to work. So they can't say you need to take unpaid leave. They may have an overhead\/non-billable code to charge to. OR they may just let you go, which they can do.   I've worked at companies that have a bank of administrative\/non-billable projects to work on when unbillable. Updating procedures, dispositioning corrective action reports, putting together training, helping on proposals, etc.","human_ref_B":"Never use PTO when in the office.  Hell, Charge time anytime you respond to emails or phone calls when on vacation and not use your precious PTO.     If you don't have billable work to do, ask if you need to do any BD or other activities to get some more work.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2868.0,"score_ratio":10.5}
{"post_id":"o0f1ic","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"How do I find \"billable time\" when work is slow and budgets are spent?!? Background: I'm a water resources engineer with a P.E. license. Around 5 years experience. The most stressful part of my job is filling out my timesheet. I'm always being pressured to find billable hours but it's difficult most weeks. Project managers are very wary of overspending their budgets or they don't want to take the time to explain what they need help on. This week has been better so far because of some water main work that came up but that's not going to last me very long. I have projects coming up but my past few weeks have been very stressful. I've used my vacation time to fill in the gaps but now I've used most of that.       Is this something that everyone deals with?","c_root_id_A":"h1vj6gs","c_root_id_B":"h1uyrg7","created_at_utc_A":1623780850,"created_at_utc_B":1623772211,"score_A":34,"score_B":24,"human_ref_A":"Why the fuck you using your PTO to fix the lack of management?","human_ref_B":"I know it's easy for me to say from here, but if honestly filling out your time sheets is going to get you shown the door, I think you work for a shitty company. You may be better off looking for a new job anyway.   I've never worked for a company that required filling out time sheets, but there's no way in hell I'd use vacation for time that I worked.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8639.0,"score_ratio":1.4166666667}
{"post_id":"o0f1ic","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"How do I find \"billable time\" when work is slow and budgets are spent?!? Background: I'm a water resources engineer with a P.E. license. Around 5 years experience. The most stressful part of my job is filling out my timesheet. I'm always being pressured to find billable hours but it's difficult most weeks. Project managers are very wary of overspending their budgets or they don't want to take the time to explain what they need help on. This week has been better so far because of some water main work that came up but that's not going to last me very long. I have projects coming up but my past few weeks have been very stressful. I've used my vacation time to fill in the gaps but now I've used most of that.       Is this something that everyone deals with?","c_root_id_A":"h1vj6gs","c_root_id_B":"h1uomwj","created_at_utc_A":1623780850,"created_at_utc_B":1623767692,"score_A":34,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"Why the fuck you using your PTO to fix the lack of management?","human_ref_B":"All but one of my five jobs in manufacturing have had this issue and it's always been stressful - particularly at one corporate job where I had entire weeks where no work was assigned to me (I gtfo'd as soon as possible).   The root cause of the stress is pretty much always just that management never really tells employees how to account for non-billable time and there being simultaneously a demand that all your hours be accounted for and an unspoken assumption that all your time is spent on billable projects, because otherwise your management looks bad (which has usually been the case in my experience).   Depending on precedent with the company, I either inflate hours spent on projects or bill to an overhead code. If I know or suspect billing to overhead would be damaging to me, I won't do it if there's any plausible way I could say I spent it on project time - but when I get to that point, I've generally been thinking of leaving the company for a while.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":13158.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"o0f1ic","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"How do I find \"billable time\" when work is slow and budgets are spent?!? Background: I'm a water resources engineer with a P.E. license. Around 5 years experience. The most stressful part of my job is filling out my timesheet. I'm always being pressured to find billable hours but it's difficult most weeks. Project managers are very wary of overspending their budgets or they don't want to take the time to explain what they need help on. This week has been better so far because of some water main work that came up but that's not going to last me very long. I have projects coming up but my past few weeks have been very stressful. I've used my vacation time to fill in the gaps but now I've used most of that.       Is this something that everyone deals with?","c_root_id_A":"h1vj6gs","c_root_id_B":"h1vf1mx","created_at_utc_A":1623780850,"created_at_utc_B":1623779132,"score_A":34,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"Why the fuck you using your PTO to fix the lack of management?","human_ref_B":"I was in consulting for 12 years so I know your pain. Few things to keep in mind:  1) It's really your direct Manager's job to make sure you have enough work  2) I know it makes you feel uneasy about recording unbillable time, but again that's your boss's concern. It's a good way for them to see on paper that you need work.  3) Now would be a good time to take some PTO if you have any extra to spare. But actually be away from work for it. Any jobs around the house you're putting off? Wanna just take a couple days and fuck off?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1718.0,"score_ratio":2.2666666667}
{"post_id":"o0f1ic","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"How do I find \"billable time\" when work is slow and budgets are spent?!? Background: I'm a water resources engineer with a P.E. license. Around 5 years experience. The most stressful part of my job is filling out my timesheet. I'm always being pressured to find billable hours but it's difficult most weeks. Project managers are very wary of overspending their budgets or they don't want to take the time to explain what they need help on. This week has been better so far because of some water main work that came up but that's not going to last me very long. I have projects coming up but my past few weeks have been very stressful. I've used my vacation time to fill in the gaps but now I've used most of that.       Is this something that everyone deals with?","c_root_id_A":"h1vj6gs","c_root_id_B":"h1urk6k","created_at_utc_A":1623780850,"created_at_utc_B":1623769010,"score_A":34,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Why the fuck you using your PTO to fix the lack of management?","human_ref_B":"I'm guessing you work as a consultant engineer, same as me.  Dude, it effing blows sometimes. I've been st it for 7 years and am so burnt out.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":11840.0,"score_ratio":3.7777777778}
{"post_id":"o0f1ic","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"How do I find \"billable time\" when work is slow and budgets are spent?!? Background: I'm a water resources engineer with a P.E. license. Around 5 years experience. The most stressful part of my job is filling out my timesheet. I'm always being pressured to find billable hours but it's difficult most weeks. Project managers are very wary of overspending their budgets or they don't want to take the time to explain what they need help on. This week has been better so far because of some water main work that came up but that's not going to last me very long. I have projects coming up but my past few weeks have been very stressful. I've used my vacation time to fill in the gaps but now I've used most of that.       Is this something that everyone deals with?","c_root_id_A":"h1uur3m","c_root_id_B":"h1vj6gs","created_at_utc_A":1623770447,"created_at_utc_B":1623780850,"score_A":9,"score_B":34,"human_ref_A":"Be extremely sure that you have absolutely nothing to do that is billable prior to charging a non-billable task such as charging to overhead directly. We had an employee at my firm continuously charge overhead even though he was told repeatedly and given stern warnings to not bill to overhead since he did have billable work to do. Ultimately he was terminated with cause for basically being an unprofitable production employee.  Company executives have made it very clear that there is always some kind of work to be done. I learned this early on in my non-engineering related first job and I try to instill the same in my team.   Realization rates suffer which means profitability suffers and no one is happy.","human_ref_B":"Why the fuck you using your PTO to fix the lack of management?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10403.0,"score_ratio":3.7777777778}
{"post_id":"o0f1ic","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"How do I find \"billable time\" when work is slow and budgets are spent?!? Background: I'm a water resources engineer with a P.E. license. Around 5 years experience. The most stressful part of my job is filling out my timesheet. I'm always being pressured to find billable hours but it's difficult most weeks. Project managers are very wary of overspending their budgets or they don't want to take the time to explain what they need help on. This week has been better so far because of some water main work that came up but that's not going to last me very long. I have projects coming up but my past few weeks have been very stressful. I've used my vacation time to fill in the gaps but now I've used most of that.       Is this something that everyone deals with?","c_root_id_A":"h1umq4q","c_root_id_B":"h1vj6gs","created_at_utc_A":1623766803,"created_at_utc_B":1623780850,"score_A":4,"score_B":34,"human_ref_A":"Not everyone. Only certain sectors of engineering operate in that space. I've lived in it for over a decade.   Although developing a good network internal to your company can help generate billable work in a pinch, ultimately it's on people above you to provide billable work. Managers and BD folks exist to win contracts.  The moment even the prospect of needing to use my vacation to fill my timesheet arises, I am telling my manager. Unless they provide me some indication they are working on it, I continue to badger them. When the day comes, I send an email to my manager and team members, telling them I am unavailable because I don't have work.   If you eventually run out of PTO, you'll need to ask your manager what you should put in your timesheet. Assuming you are in the US and doing at-will employment, things get interesting here. By law, the company is required to pay your salary as long as you show up to work. So they can't say you need to take unpaid leave. They may have an overhead\/non-billable code to charge to. OR they may just let you go, which they can do.   I've worked at companies that have a bank of administrative\/non-billable projects to work on when unbillable. Updating procedures, dispositioning corrective action reports, putting together training, helping on proposals, etc.","human_ref_B":"Why the fuck you using your PTO to fix the lack of management?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":14047.0,"score_ratio":8.5}
{"post_id":"o0f1ic","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"How do I find \"billable time\" when work is slow and budgets are spent?!? Background: I'm a water resources engineer with a P.E. license. Around 5 years experience. The most stressful part of my job is filling out my timesheet. I'm always being pressured to find billable hours but it's difficult most weeks. Project managers are very wary of overspending their budgets or they don't want to take the time to explain what they need help on. This week has been better so far because of some water main work that came up but that's not going to last me very long. I have projects coming up but my past few weeks have been very stressful. I've used my vacation time to fill in the gaps but now I've used most of that.       Is this something that everyone deals with?","c_root_id_A":"h1v0pw3","c_root_id_B":"h1vj6gs","created_at_utc_A":1623773073,"created_at_utc_B":1623780850,"score_A":2,"score_B":34,"human_ref_A":"Yikes","human_ref_B":"Why the fuck you using your PTO to fix the lack of management?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7777.0,"score_ratio":17.0}
{"post_id":"o0f1ic","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"How do I find \"billable time\" when work is slow and budgets are spent?!? Background: I'm a water resources engineer with a P.E. license. Around 5 years experience. The most stressful part of my job is filling out my timesheet. I'm always being pressured to find billable hours but it's difficult most weeks. Project managers are very wary of overspending their budgets or they don't want to take the time to explain what they need help on. This week has been better so far because of some water main work that came up but that's not going to last me very long. I have projects coming up but my past few weeks have been very stressful. I've used my vacation time to fill in the gaps but now I've used most of that.       Is this something that everyone deals with?","c_root_id_A":"h1uomwj","c_root_id_B":"h1uyrg7","created_at_utc_A":1623767692,"created_at_utc_B":1623772211,"score_A":17,"score_B":24,"human_ref_A":"All but one of my five jobs in manufacturing have had this issue and it's always been stressful - particularly at one corporate job where I had entire weeks where no work was assigned to me (I gtfo'd as soon as possible).   The root cause of the stress is pretty much always just that management never really tells employees how to account for non-billable time and there being simultaneously a demand that all your hours be accounted for and an unspoken assumption that all your time is spent on billable projects, because otherwise your management looks bad (which has usually been the case in my experience).   Depending on precedent with the company, I either inflate hours spent on projects or bill to an overhead code. If I know or suspect billing to overhead would be damaging to me, I won't do it if there's any plausible way I could say I spent it on project time - but when I get to that point, I've generally been thinking of leaving the company for a while.","human_ref_B":"I know it's easy for me to say from here, but if honestly filling out your time sheets is going to get you shown the door, I think you work for a shitty company. You may be better off looking for a new job anyway.   I've never worked for a company that required filling out time sheets, but there's no way in hell I'd use vacation for time that I worked.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4519.0,"score_ratio":1.4117647059}
{"post_id":"o0f1ic","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"How do I find \"billable time\" when work is slow and budgets are spent?!? Background: I'm a water resources engineer with a P.E. license. Around 5 years experience. The most stressful part of my job is filling out my timesheet. I'm always being pressured to find billable hours but it's difficult most weeks. Project managers are very wary of overspending their budgets or they don't want to take the time to explain what they need help on. This week has been better so far because of some water main work that came up but that's not going to last me very long. I have projects coming up but my past few weeks have been very stressful. I've used my vacation time to fill in the gaps but now I've used most of that.       Is this something that everyone deals with?","c_root_id_A":"h1uyrg7","c_root_id_B":"h1urk6k","created_at_utc_A":1623772211,"created_at_utc_B":1623769010,"score_A":24,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"I know it's easy for me to say from here, but if honestly filling out your time sheets is going to get you shown the door, I think you work for a shitty company. You may be better off looking for a new job anyway.   I've never worked for a company that required filling out time sheets, but there's no way in hell I'd use vacation for time that I worked.","human_ref_B":"I'm guessing you work as a consultant engineer, same as me.  Dude, it effing blows sometimes. I've been st it for 7 years and am so burnt out.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3201.0,"score_ratio":2.6666666667}
{"post_id":"o0f1ic","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"How do I find \"billable time\" when work is slow and budgets are spent?!? Background: I'm a water resources engineer with a P.E. license. Around 5 years experience. The most stressful part of my job is filling out my timesheet. I'm always being pressured to find billable hours but it's difficult most weeks. Project managers are very wary of overspending their budgets or they don't want to take the time to explain what they need help on. This week has been better so far because of some water main work that came up but that's not going to last me very long. I have projects coming up but my past few weeks have been very stressful. I've used my vacation time to fill in the gaps but now I've used most of that.       Is this something that everyone deals with?","c_root_id_A":"h1uur3m","c_root_id_B":"h1uyrg7","created_at_utc_A":1623770447,"created_at_utc_B":1623772211,"score_A":9,"score_B":24,"human_ref_A":"Be extremely sure that you have absolutely nothing to do that is billable prior to charging a non-billable task such as charging to overhead directly. We had an employee at my firm continuously charge overhead even though he was told repeatedly and given stern warnings to not bill to overhead since he did have billable work to do. Ultimately he was terminated with cause for basically being an unprofitable production employee.  Company executives have made it very clear that there is always some kind of work to be done. I learned this early on in my non-engineering related first job and I try to instill the same in my team.   Realization rates suffer which means profitability suffers and no one is happy.","human_ref_B":"I know it's easy for me to say from here, but if honestly filling out your time sheets is going to get you shown the door, I think you work for a shitty company. You may be better off looking for a new job anyway.   I've never worked for a company that required filling out time sheets, but there's no way in hell I'd use vacation for time that I worked.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1764.0,"score_ratio":2.6666666667}
{"post_id":"o0f1ic","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"How do I find \"billable time\" when work is slow and budgets are spent?!? Background: I'm a water resources engineer with a P.E. license. Around 5 years experience. The most stressful part of my job is filling out my timesheet. I'm always being pressured to find billable hours but it's difficult most weeks. Project managers are very wary of overspending their budgets or they don't want to take the time to explain what they need help on. This week has been better so far because of some water main work that came up but that's not going to last me very long. I have projects coming up but my past few weeks have been very stressful. I've used my vacation time to fill in the gaps but now I've used most of that.       Is this something that everyone deals with?","c_root_id_A":"h1uyrg7","c_root_id_B":"h1umq4q","created_at_utc_A":1623772211,"created_at_utc_B":1623766803,"score_A":24,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I know it's easy for me to say from here, but if honestly filling out your time sheets is going to get you shown the door, I think you work for a shitty company. You may be better off looking for a new job anyway.   I've never worked for a company that required filling out time sheets, but there's no way in hell I'd use vacation for time that I worked.","human_ref_B":"Not everyone. Only certain sectors of engineering operate in that space. I've lived in it for over a decade.   Although developing a good network internal to your company can help generate billable work in a pinch, ultimately it's on people above you to provide billable work. Managers and BD folks exist to win contracts.  The moment even the prospect of needing to use my vacation to fill my timesheet arises, I am telling my manager. Unless they provide me some indication they are working on it, I continue to badger them. When the day comes, I send an email to my manager and team members, telling them I am unavailable because I don't have work.   If you eventually run out of PTO, you'll need to ask your manager what you should put in your timesheet. Assuming you are in the US and doing at-will employment, things get interesting here. By law, the company is required to pay your salary as long as you show up to work. So they can't say you need to take unpaid leave. They may have an overhead\/non-billable code to charge to. OR they may just let you go, which they can do.   I've worked at companies that have a bank of administrative\/non-billable projects to work on when unbillable. Updating procedures, dispositioning corrective action reports, putting together training, helping on proposals, etc.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5408.0,"score_ratio":6.0}
{"post_id":"o0f1ic","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"How do I find \"billable time\" when work is slow and budgets are spent?!? Background: I'm a water resources engineer with a P.E. license. Around 5 years experience. The most stressful part of my job is filling out my timesheet. I'm always being pressured to find billable hours but it's difficult most weeks. Project managers are very wary of overspending their budgets or they don't want to take the time to explain what they need help on. This week has been better so far because of some water main work that came up but that's not going to last me very long. I have projects coming up but my past few weeks have been very stressful. I've used my vacation time to fill in the gaps but now I've used most of that.       Is this something that everyone deals with?","c_root_id_A":"h1umq4q","c_root_id_B":"h1uomwj","created_at_utc_A":1623766803,"created_at_utc_B":1623767692,"score_A":4,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"Not everyone. Only certain sectors of engineering operate in that space. I've lived in it for over a decade.   Although developing a good network internal to your company can help generate billable work in a pinch, ultimately it's on people above you to provide billable work. Managers and BD folks exist to win contracts.  The moment even the prospect of needing to use my vacation to fill my timesheet arises, I am telling my manager. Unless they provide me some indication they are working on it, I continue to badger them. When the day comes, I send an email to my manager and team members, telling them I am unavailable because I don't have work.   If you eventually run out of PTO, you'll need to ask your manager what you should put in your timesheet. Assuming you are in the US and doing at-will employment, things get interesting here. By law, the company is required to pay your salary as long as you show up to work. So they can't say you need to take unpaid leave. They may have an overhead\/non-billable code to charge to. OR they may just let you go, which they can do.   I've worked at companies that have a bank of administrative\/non-billable projects to work on when unbillable. Updating procedures, dispositioning corrective action reports, putting together training, helping on proposals, etc.","human_ref_B":"All but one of my five jobs in manufacturing have had this issue and it's always been stressful - particularly at one corporate job where I had entire weeks where no work was assigned to me (I gtfo'd as soon as possible).   The root cause of the stress is pretty much always just that management never really tells employees how to account for non-billable time and there being simultaneously a demand that all your hours be accounted for and an unspoken assumption that all your time is spent on billable projects, because otherwise your management looks bad (which has usually been the case in my experience).   Depending on precedent with the company, I either inflate hours spent on projects or bill to an overhead code. If I know or suspect billing to overhead would be damaging to me, I won't do it if there's any plausible way I could say I spent it on project time - but when I get to that point, I've generally been thinking of leaving the company for a while.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":889.0,"score_ratio":4.25}
{"post_id":"o0f1ic","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"How do I find \"billable time\" when work is slow and budgets are spent?!? Background: I'm a water resources engineer with a P.E. license. Around 5 years experience. The most stressful part of my job is filling out my timesheet. I'm always being pressured to find billable hours but it's difficult most weeks. Project managers are very wary of overspending their budgets or they don't want to take the time to explain what they need help on. This week has been better so far because of some water main work that came up but that's not going to last me very long. I have projects coming up but my past few weeks have been very stressful. I've used my vacation time to fill in the gaps but now I've used most of that.       Is this something that everyone deals with?","c_root_id_A":"h1vf1mx","c_root_id_B":"h1urk6k","created_at_utc_A":1623779132,"created_at_utc_B":1623769010,"score_A":15,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"I was in consulting for 12 years so I know your pain. Few things to keep in mind:  1) It's really your direct Manager's job to make sure you have enough work  2) I know it makes you feel uneasy about recording unbillable time, but again that's your boss's concern. It's a good way for them to see on paper that you need work.  3) Now would be a good time to take some PTO if you have any extra to spare. But actually be away from work for it. Any jobs around the house you're putting off? Wanna just take a couple days and fuck off?","human_ref_B":"I'm guessing you work as a consultant engineer, same as me.  Dude, it effing blows sometimes. I've been st it for 7 years and am so burnt out.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10122.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"o0f1ic","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"How do I find \"billable time\" when work is slow and budgets are spent?!? Background: I'm a water resources engineer with a P.E. license. Around 5 years experience. The most stressful part of my job is filling out my timesheet. I'm always being pressured to find billable hours but it's difficult most weeks. Project managers are very wary of overspending their budgets or they don't want to take the time to explain what they need help on. This week has been better so far because of some water main work that came up but that's not going to last me very long. I have projects coming up but my past few weeks have been very stressful. I've used my vacation time to fill in the gaps but now I've used most of that.       Is this something that everyone deals with?","c_root_id_A":"h1uur3m","c_root_id_B":"h1vf1mx","created_at_utc_A":1623770447,"created_at_utc_B":1623779132,"score_A":9,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"Be extremely sure that you have absolutely nothing to do that is billable prior to charging a non-billable task such as charging to overhead directly. We had an employee at my firm continuously charge overhead even though he was told repeatedly and given stern warnings to not bill to overhead since he did have billable work to do. Ultimately he was terminated with cause for basically being an unprofitable production employee.  Company executives have made it very clear that there is always some kind of work to be done. I learned this early on in my non-engineering related first job and I try to instill the same in my team.   Realization rates suffer which means profitability suffers and no one is happy.","human_ref_B":"I was in consulting for 12 years so I know your pain. Few things to keep in mind:  1) It's really your direct Manager's job to make sure you have enough work  2) I know it makes you feel uneasy about recording unbillable time, but again that's your boss's concern. It's a good way for them to see on paper that you need work.  3) Now would be a good time to take some PTO if you have any extra to spare. But actually be away from work for it. Any jobs around the house you're putting off? Wanna just take a couple days and fuck off?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8685.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"o0f1ic","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"How do I find \"billable time\" when work is slow and budgets are spent?!? Background: I'm a water resources engineer with a P.E. license. Around 5 years experience. The most stressful part of my job is filling out my timesheet. I'm always being pressured to find billable hours but it's difficult most weeks. Project managers are very wary of overspending their budgets or they don't want to take the time to explain what they need help on. This week has been better so far because of some water main work that came up but that's not going to last me very long. I have projects coming up but my past few weeks have been very stressful. I've used my vacation time to fill in the gaps but now I've used most of that.       Is this something that everyone deals with?","c_root_id_A":"h1vf1mx","c_root_id_B":"h1umq4q","created_at_utc_A":1623779132,"created_at_utc_B":1623766803,"score_A":15,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I was in consulting for 12 years so I know your pain. Few things to keep in mind:  1) It's really your direct Manager's job to make sure you have enough work  2) I know it makes you feel uneasy about recording unbillable time, but again that's your boss's concern. It's a good way for them to see on paper that you need work.  3) Now would be a good time to take some PTO if you have any extra to spare. But actually be away from work for it. Any jobs around the house you're putting off? Wanna just take a couple days and fuck off?","human_ref_B":"Not everyone. Only certain sectors of engineering operate in that space. I've lived in it for over a decade.   Although developing a good network internal to your company can help generate billable work in a pinch, ultimately it's on people above you to provide billable work. Managers and BD folks exist to win contracts.  The moment even the prospect of needing to use my vacation to fill my timesheet arises, I am telling my manager. Unless they provide me some indication they are working on it, I continue to badger them. When the day comes, I send an email to my manager and team members, telling them I am unavailable because I don't have work.   If you eventually run out of PTO, you'll need to ask your manager what you should put in your timesheet. Assuming you are in the US and doing at-will employment, things get interesting here. By law, the company is required to pay your salary as long as you show up to work. So they can't say you need to take unpaid leave. They may have an overhead\/non-billable code to charge to. OR they may just let you go, which they can do.   I've worked at companies that have a bank of administrative\/non-billable projects to work on when unbillable. Updating procedures, dispositioning corrective action reports, putting together training, helping on proposals, etc.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":12329.0,"score_ratio":3.75}
{"post_id":"o0f1ic","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"How do I find \"billable time\" when work is slow and budgets are spent?!? Background: I'm a water resources engineer with a P.E. license. Around 5 years experience. The most stressful part of my job is filling out my timesheet. I'm always being pressured to find billable hours but it's difficult most weeks. Project managers are very wary of overspending their budgets or they don't want to take the time to explain what they need help on. This week has been better so far because of some water main work that came up but that's not going to last me very long. I have projects coming up but my past few weeks have been very stressful. I've used my vacation time to fill in the gaps but now I've used most of that.       Is this something that everyone deals with?","c_root_id_A":"h1v0pw3","c_root_id_B":"h1vf1mx","created_at_utc_A":1623773073,"created_at_utc_B":1623779132,"score_A":2,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"Yikes","human_ref_B":"I was in consulting for 12 years so I know your pain. Few things to keep in mind:  1) It's really your direct Manager's job to make sure you have enough work  2) I know it makes you feel uneasy about recording unbillable time, but again that's your boss's concern. It's a good way for them to see on paper that you need work.  3) Now would be a good time to take some PTO if you have any extra to spare. But actually be away from work for it. Any jobs around the house you're putting off? Wanna just take a couple days and fuck off?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6059.0,"score_ratio":7.5}
{"post_id":"o0f1ic","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"How do I find \"billable time\" when work is slow and budgets are spent?!? Background: I'm a water resources engineer with a P.E. license. Around 5 years experience. The most stressful part of my job is filling out my timesheet. I'm always being pressured to find billable hours but it's difficult most weeks. Project managers are very wary of overspending their budgets or they don't want to take the time to explain what they need help on. This week has been better so far because of some water main work that came up but that's not going to last me very long. I have projects coming up but my past few weeks have been very stressful. I've used my vacation time to fill in the gaps but now I've used most of that.       Is this something that everyone deals with?","c_root_id_A":"h1urk6k","c_root_id_B":"h1umq4q","created_at_utc_A":1623769010,"created_at_utc_B":1623766803,"score_A":9,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I'm guessing you work as a consultant engineer, same as me.  Dude, it effing blows sometimes. I've been st it for 7 years and am so burnt out.","human_ref_B":"Not everyone. Only certain sectors of engineering operate in that space. I've lived in it for over a decade.   Although developing a good network internal to your company can help generate billable work in a pinch, ultimately it's on people above you to provide billable work. Managers and BD folks exist to win contracts.  The moment even the prospect of needing to use my vacation to fill my timesheet arises, I am telling my manager. Unless they provide me some indication they are working on it, I continue to badger them. When the day comes, I send an email to my manager and team members, telling them I am unavailable because I don't have work.   If you eventually run out of PTO, you'll need to ask your manager what you should put in your timesheet. Assuming you are in the US and doing at-will employment, things get interesting here. By law, the company is required to pay your salary as long as you show up to work. So they can't say you need to take unpaid leave. They may have an overhead\/non-billable code to charge to. OR they may just let you go, which they can do.   I've worked at companies that have a bank of administrative\/non-billable projects to work on when unbillable. Updating procedures, dispositioning corrective action reports, putting together training, helping on proposals, etc.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2207.0,"score_ratio":2.25}
{"post_id":"o0f1ic","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"How do I find \"billable time\" when work is slow and budgets are spent?!? Background: I'm a water resources engineer with a P.E. license. Around 5 years experience. The most stressful part of my job is filling out my timesheet. I'm always being pressured to find billable hours but it's difficult most weeks. Project managers are very wary of overspending their budgets or they don't want to take the time to explain what they need help on. This week has been better so far because of some water main work that came up but that's not going to last me very long. I have projects coming up but my past few weeks have been very stressful. I've used my vacation time to fill in the gaps but now I've used most of that.       Is this something that everyone deals with?","c_root_id_A":"h1umq4q","c_root_id_B":"h1uur3m","created_at_utc_A":1623766803,"created_at_utc_B":1623770447,"score_A":4,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Not everyone. Only certain sectors of engineering operate in that space. I've lived in it for over a decade.   Although developing a good network internal to your company can help generate billable work in a pinch, ultimately it's on people above you to provide billable work. Managers and BD folks exist to win contracts.  The moment even the prospect of needing to use my vacation to fill my timesheet arises, I am telling my manager. Unless they provide me some indication they are working on it, I continue to badger them. When the day comes, I send an email to my manager and team members, telling them I am unavailable because I don't have work.   If you eventually run out of PTO, you'll need to ask your manager what you should put in your timesheet. Assuming you are in the US and doing at-will employment, things get interesting here. By law, the company is required to pay your salary as long as you show up to work. So they can't say you need to take unpaid leave. They may have an overhead\/non-billable code to charge to. OR they may just let you go, which they can do.   I've worked at companies that have a bank of administrative\/non-billable projects to work on when unbillable. Updating procedures, dispositioning corrective action reports, putting together training, helping on proposals, etc.","human_ref_B":"Be extremely sure that you have absolutely nothing to do that is billable prior to charging a non-billable task such as charging to overhead directly. We had an employee at my firm continuously charge overhead even though he was told repeatedly and given stern warnings to not bill to overhead since he did have billable work to do. Ultimately he was terminated with cause for basically being an unprofitable production employee.  Company executives have made it very clear that there is always some kind of work to be done. I learned this early on in my non-engineering related first job and I try to instill the same in my team.   Realization rates suffer which means profitability suffers and no one is happy.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3644.0,"score_ratio":2.25}
{"post_id":"o0f1ic","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"How do I find \"billable time\" when work is slow and budgets are spent?!? Background: I'm a water resources engineer with a P.E. license. Around 5 years experience. The most stressful part of my job is filling out my timesheet. I'm always being pressured to find billable hours but it's difficult most weeks. Project managers are very wary of overspending their budgets or they don't want to take the time to explain what they need help on. This week has been better so far because of some water main work that came up but that's not going to last me very long. I have projects coming up but my past few weeks have been very stressful. I've used my vacation time to fill in the gaps but now I've used most of that.       Is this something that everyone deals with?","c_root_id_A":"h1umq4q","c_root_id_B":"h1vkakb","created_at_utc_A":1623766803,"created_at_utc_B":1623781313,"score_A":4,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Not everyone. Only certain sectors of engineering operate in that space. I've lived in it for over a decade.   Although developing a good network internal to your company can help generate billable work in a pinch, ultimately it's on people above you to provide billable work. Managers and BD folks exist to win contracts.  The moment even the prospect of needing to use my vacation to fill my timesheet arises, I am telling my manager. Unless they provide me some indication they are working on it, I continue to badger them. When the day comes, I send an email to my manager and team members, telling them I am unavailable because I don't have work.   If you eventually run out of PTO, you'll need to ask your manager what you should put in your timesheet. Assuming you are in the US and doing at-will employment, things get interesting here. By law, the company is required to pay your salary as long as you show up to work. So they can't say you need to take unpaid leave. They may have an overhead\/non-billable code to charge to. OR they may just let you go, which they can do.   I've worked at companies that have a bank of administrative\/non-billable projects to work on when unbillable. Updating procedures, dispositioning corrective action reports, putting together training, helping on proposals, etc.","human_ref_B":"Like others have said, don\u2019t use vacation time for idle time. If you do that and you\u2019re still in the office and should something happen where you are injured, it can be a huge liability for your company because you are technically \u201con vacation\u201d and shouldn\u2019t be in the office.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":14510.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"o0f1ic","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"How do I find \"billable time\" when work is slow and budgets are spent?!? Background: I'm a water resources engineer with a P.E. license. Around 5 years experience. The most stressful part of my job is filling out my timesheet. I'm always being pressured to find billable hours but it's difficult most weeks. Project managers are very wary of overspending their budgets or they don't want to take the time to explain what they need help on. This week has been better so far because of some water main work that came up but that's not going to last me very long. I have projects coming up but my past few weeks have been very stressful. I've used my vacation time to fill in the gaps but now I've used most of that.       Is this something that everyone deals with?","c_root_id_A":"h1vkakb","c_root_id_B":"h1v0pw3","created_at_utc_A":1623781313,"created_at_utc_B":1623773073,"score_A":6,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Like others have said, don\u2019t use vacation time for idle time. If you do that and you\u2019re still in the office and should something happen where you are injured, it can be a huge liability for your company because you are technically \u201con vacation\u201d and shouldn\u2019t be in the office.","human_ref_B":"Yikes","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8240.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"o0f1ic","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"How do I find \"billable time\" when work is slow and budgets are spent?!? Background: I'm a water resources engineer with a P.E. license. Around 5 years experience. The most stressful part of my job is filling out my timesheet. I'm always being pressured to find billable hours but it's difficult most weeks. Project managers are very wary of overspending their budgets or they don't want to take the time to explain what they need help on. This week has been better so far because of some water main work that came up but that's not going to last me very long. I have projects coming up but my past few weeks have been very stressful. I've used my vacation time to fill in the gaps but now I've used most of that.       Is this something that everyone deals with?","c_root_id_A":"h1waib0","c_root_id_B":"h1v0pw3","created_at_utc_A":1623792803,"created_at_utc_B":1623773073,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"When this happened to me (many years ago) I would walk around the office and ask every PM whether they needed any help on anything. It put pressure on my manager because he would hear from his colleagues about he wasn't keeping his staff busy. Sometimes, I'd get interesting assignments (I once wrote and got approved a FEMA LOMR for a floodplain revision on the first try having never done it before - I had no idea it wasn't usually easy) and got to learn new things outside the scope of my usual work (traffic engineering.)","human_ref_B":"Yikes","labels":1,"seconds_difference":19730.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"geq83a","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"Is it acceptable to bring copies of things you've worked on that are owned by your current employer into an interview? I have an interview later today and I'd like to bring copies of the major drawings\/test reports\/manuals that I have created for my current employer. I'm not sure about the legality of doing this. I believe much of what I've worked on is covered under a contractual non-disclosure agreement, for that reason I was planning on taking all documentation with me when the interview is over. Could I get in trouble just for showing a potential employer my work? Has anyone else done this? Also if you have any interview advice I'm definitely open to any insight I can get. Thanks in advance","c_root_id_A":"fpp8o3p","c_root_id_B":"fppa52m","created_at_utc_A":1588797869,"created_at_utc_B":1588798595,"score_A":5,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"Horrible idea and a great way to get sued or worse.","human_ref_B":"Yeah absolutely not. My company was able to reverse engineer a rather complex assembly from a cross section view from a PowerPoint slide, imagine what we could have done with drawings","labels":0,"seconds_difference":726.0,"score_ratio":2.6}
{"post_id":"geq83a","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"Is it acceptable to bring copies of things you've worked on that are owned by your current employer into an interview? I have an interview later today and I'd like to bring copies of the major drawings\/test reports\/manuals that I have created for my current employer. I'm not sure about the legality of doing this. I believe much of what I've worked on is covered under a contractual non-disclosure agreement, for that reason I was planning on taking all documentation with me when the interview is over. Could I get in trouble just for showing a potential employer my work? Has anyone else done this? Also if you have any interview advice I'm definitely open to any insight I can get. Thanks in advance","c_root_id_A":"fppmot9","c_root_id_B":"fpp8o3p","created_at_utc_A":1588805132,"created_at_utc_B":1588797869,"score_A":11,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"No.  I would likely end the interview immediately, black ball the candidate, and likely inform their employer.  You may think this is extreme, but if I view the IP of another company, my own designs may be considered to be \"contaminated\", and I may be subject to lawsuits.  It may be a legal obligation to do so, to prove good faith.  Note that there are almost no other circumstances where I would reach out to the current company of a candidate pre-offer.  You become a toxic candidate, and I would have severe concerns that you would divulge any information I give you.  In case Im not clear: DO. NOT. DO. THIS.  Counter Point: I work on some VERY confidential work.  I was in an interview with another very prestigious tech company.  I kept alluding to generics, but said I would try to generalize because I am unable to share specifics.  It was a bit awkward, but I think that gave me the edge in trust, and I did get an offer from that company.","human_ref_B":"Horrible idea and a great way to get sued or worse.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7263.0,"score_ratio":2.2}
{"post_id":"ndkg0r","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Engineering students who graduated with a low gpa(<3.0), how did you manage to find job opportunities?","c_root_id_A":"gybbjd6","c_root_id_B":"gybj0g7","created_at_utc_A":1621164498,"created_at_utc_B":1621169800,"score_A":42,"score_B":111,"human_ref_A":"I really indiscriminately put in applications everywhere.  It honestly wasn't too bad if they gave me the chance to interview.  That first job out of college will be the toughest to get.  With good working experience, the right attitude, and some drive to go forward ( consider doing an MBA or masters while working) You can get into some great roles.  &#x200B;  I graduated with a 2.47 GPA and I am currently working directly for a OEM automotive company and have been promoted 2 times in the past 4 years.","human_ref_B":"DON'T PUT IT ON YOUR RESUME! Don't lie about it if asked, but definitely don't advertise it.  I graduated with a 2.8. I didn't have any internships or co-ops either. On my resume, I highlighted my CAD skills, capstone project, and all the lab courses I had done in place of experience, since I had none. Took me 6 months after graduation, but I got a job.  A low GPA may make it impossible to get a job at a big company that hires hundreds of new grads every year (they'll often have a field for it on their online application and just automatically filter you out), but small companies need engineers too, and they're less likely to care about GPA.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5302.0,"score_ratio":2.6428571429}
{"post_id":"ndkg0r","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Engineering students who graduated with a low gpa(<3.0), how did you manage to find job opportunities?","c_root_id_A":"gybj0g7","c_root_id_B":"gybehbd","created_at_utc_A":1621169800,"created_at_utc_B":1621166733,"score_A":111,"score_B":22,"human_ref_A":"DON'T PUT IT ON YOUR RESUME! Don't lie about it if asked, but definitely don't advertise it.  I graduated with a 2.8. I didn't have any internships or co-ops either. On my resume, I highlighted my CAD skills, capstone project, and all the lab courses I had done in place of experience, since I had none. Took me 6 months after graduation, but I got a job.  A low GPA may make it impossible to get a job at a big company that hires hundreds of new grads every year (they'll often have a field for it on their online application and just automatically filter you out), but small companies need engineers too, and they're less likely to care about GPA.","human_ref_B":"For me it was knowing the right person at the right time. I had a 2.9 (average in the class) and did not think I would find anything, but one of my professors recommended me to a company where only the highest scorer out of the class would get the job (they were strict about it, having worked for more than a year, I still don't understand why). I went in, did two interviews (technical and non-technical) on the same day, and in few weeks, I was given the position. And, it was all before I graduated.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3067.0,"score_ratio":5.0454545455}
{"post_id":"ndkg0r","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Engineering students who graduated with a low gpa(<3.0), how did you manage to find job opportunities?","c_root_id_A":"gybj0g7","c_root_id_B":"gybgx9q","created_at_utc_A":1621169800,"created_at_utc_B":1621168453,"score_A":111,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"DON'T PUT IT ON YOUR RESUME! Don't lie about it if asked, but definitely don't advertise it.  I graduated with a 2.8. I didn't have any internships or co-ops either. On my resume, I highlighted my CAD skills, capstone project, and all the lab courses I had done in place of experience, since I had none. Took me 6 months after graduation, but I got a job.  A low GPA may make it impossible to get a job at a big company that hires hundreds of new grads every year (they'll often have a field for it on their online application and just automatically filter you out), but small companies need engineers too, and they're less likely to care about GPA.","human_ref_B":"I had a 2.5 and have not found an engineering job","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1347.0,"score_ratio":11.1}
{"post_id":"ndkg0r","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Engineering students who graduated with a low gpa(<3.0), how did you manage to find job opportunities?","c_root_id_A":"gyb5lin","c_root_id_B":"gybj0g7","created_at_utc_A":1621159375,"created_at_utc_B":1621169800,"score_A":5,"score_B":111,"human_ref_A":"My granpda got me a job thankfully, but I think I would be able to find a position regardless. I have applied for some and been rejected but I am working on my resume\/cover letter. I don't think GPA is critical.","human_ref_B":"DON'T PUT IT ON YOUR RESUME! Don't lie about it if asked, but definitely don't advertise it.  I graduated with a 2.8. I didn't have any internships or co-ops either. On my resume, I highlighted my CAD skills, capstone project, and all the lab courses I had done in place of experience, since I had none. Took me 6 months after graduation, but I got a job.  A low GPA may make it impossible to get a job at a big company that hires hundreds of new grads every year (they'll often have a field for it on their online application and just automatically filter you out), but small companies need engineers too, and they're less likely to care about GPA.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10425.0,"score_ratio":22.2}
{"post_id":"ndkg0r","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Engineering students who graduated with a low gpa(<3.0), how did you manage to find job opportunities?","c_root_id_A":"gybbjd6","c_root_id_B":"gyb5lin","created_at_utc_A":1621164498,"created_at_utc_B":1621159375,"score_A":42,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"I really indiscriminately put in applications everywhere.  It honestly wasn't too bad if they gave me the chance to interview.  That first job out of college will be the toughest to get.  With good working experience, the right attitude, and some drive to go forward ( consider doing an MBA or masters while working) You can get into some great roles.  &#x200B;  I graduated with a 2.47 GPA and I am currently working directly for a OEM automotive company and have been promoted 2 times in the past 4 years.","human_ref_B":"My granpda got me a job thankfully, but I think I would be able to find a position regardless. I have applied for some and been rejected but I am working on my resume\/cover letter. I don't think GPA is critical.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5123.0,"score_ratio":8.4}
{"post_id":"ndkg0r","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Engineering students who graduated with a low gpa(<3.0), how did you manage to find job opportunities?","c_root_id_A":"gybrj6i","c_root_id_B":"gybehbd","created_at_utc_A":1621174680,"created_at_utc_B":1621166733,"score_A":24,"score_B":22,"human_ref_A":"Generally I wouldn\u2019t list your GPA on your resume unless it is really something that\u2019ll help you stand out.  Only a couple of places I\u2019ve ever applied to actually asked for my GPA and they tended to be research labs.  Everywhere else my GPA was never asked for.","human_ref_B":"For me it was knowing the right person at the right time. I had a 2.9 (average in the class) and did not think I would find anything, but one of my professors recommended me to a company where only the highest scorer out of the class would get the job (they were strict about it, having worked for more than a year, I still don't understand why). I went in, did two interviews (technical and non-technical) on the same day, and in few weeks, I was given the position. And, it was all before I graduated.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7947.0,"score_ratio":1.0909090909}
{"post_id":"ndkg0r","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Engineering students who graduated with a low gpa(<3.0), how did you manage to find job opportunities?","c_root_id_A":"gybrj6i","c_root_id_B":"gybgx9q","created_at_utc_A":1621174680,"created_at_utc_B":1621168453,"score_A":24,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"Generally I wouldn\u2019t list your GPA on your resume unless it is really something that\u2019ll help you stand out.  Only a couple of places I\u2019ve ever applied to actually asked for my GPA and they tended to be research labs.  Everywhere else my GPA was never asked for.","human_ref_B":"I had a 2.5 and have not found an engineering job","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6227.0,"score_ratio":2.4}
{"post_id":"ndkg0r","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Engineering students who graduated with a low gpa(<3.0), how did you manage to find job opportunities?","c_root_id_A":"gybkqcb","c_root_id_B":"gybrj6i","created_at_utc_A":1621170860,"created_at_utc_B":1621174680,"score_A":10,"score_B":24,"human_ref_A":"I had a 3.8, but just an FYI, my current job (first after graduating) did not ask for my grades. Just apply for everything and see what happens.","human_ref_B":"Generally I wouldn\u2019t list your GPA on your resume unless it is really something that\u2019ll help you stand out.  Only a couple of places I\u2019ve ever applied to actually asked for my GPA and they tended to be research labs.  Everywhere else my GPA was never asked for.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3820.0,"score_ratio":2.4}
{"post_id":"ndkg0r","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Engineering students who graduated with a low gpa(<3.0), how did you manage to find job opportunities?","c_root_id_A":"gybrj6i","c_root_id_B":"gybn1m4","created_at_utc_A":1621174680,"created_at_utc_B":1621172198,"score_A":24,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Generally I wouldn\u2019t list your GPA on your resume unless it is really something that\u2019ll help you stand out.  Only a couple of places I\u2019ve ever applied to actually asked for my GPA and they tended to be research labs.  Everywhere else my GPA was never asked for.","human_ref_B":"I graduated in December with a 2.6.  I managed to land an internship on campus two years before that by having the mechanical experience from a summer job of testing fire hydrant flow for the city and various hobbies like working on my motorcycle. It probably didn't hurt that I was in the military for four years before college.  The test technician position I got offered and will be starting soon was one of the first places that gave me an interview after sending easily over a hundred applications throughout college. The position lines up pretty well with what I was doing at my internship and allows me to learn the industry and be hands on like I prefer. There's also opportunity to move into an engineering position down the line.  Most places I applied to didn't ask for GPA in the initial application, but I've heard they'd ask in the interview. I've also heard most places don't care about your GPA once you get your foot in the door. But take that with a grain of salt.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2482.0,"score_ratio":4.0}
{"post_id":"ndkg0r","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Engineering students who graduated with a low gpa(<3.0), how did you manage to find job opportunities?","c_root_id_A":"gybrj6i","c_root_id_B":"gyb5lin","created_at_utc_A":1621174680,"created_at_utc_B":1621159375,"score_A":24,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Generally I wouldn\u2019t list your GPA on your resume unless it is really something that\u2019ll help you stand out.  Only a couple of places I\u2019ve ever applied to actually asked for my GPA and they tended to be research labs.  Everywhere else my GPA was never asked for.","human_ref_B":"My granpda got me a job thankfully, but I think I would be able to find a position regardless. I have applied for some and been rejected but I am working on my resume\/cover letter. I don't think GPA is critical.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":15305.0,"score_ratio":4.8}
{"post_id":"ndkg0r","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Engineering students who graduated with a low gpa(<3.0), how did you manage to find job opportunities?","c_root_id_A":"gyb5lin","c_root_id_B":"gybehbd","created_at_utc_A":1621159375,"created_at_utc_B":1621166733,"score_A":5,"score_B":22,"human_ref_A":"My granpda got me a job thankfully, but I think I would be able to find a position regardless. I have applied for some and been rejected but I am working on my resume\/cover letter. I don't think GPA is critical.","human_ref_B":"For me it was knowing the right person at the right time. I had a 2.9 (average in the class) and did not think I would find anything, but one of my professors recommended me to a company where only the highest scorer out of the class would get the job (they were strict about it, having worked for more than a year, I still don't understand why). I went in, did two interviews (technical and non-technical) on the same day, and in few weeks, I was given the position. And, it was all before I graduated.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7358.0,"score_ratio":4.4}
{"post_id":"ndkg0r","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Engineering students who graduated with a low gpa(<3.0), how did you manage to find job opportunities?","c_root_id_A":"gybgx9q","c_root_id_B":"gybrtro","created_at_utc_A":1621168453,"created_at_utc_B":1621174834,"score_A":10,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"I had a 2.5 and have not found an engineering job","human_ref_B":"I was never asked about my school records. And it never came up during interviews.  I'd say just omit it.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6381.0,"score_ratio":1.4}
{"post_id":"ndkg0r","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Engineering students who graduated with a low gpa(<3.0), how did you manage to find job opportunities?","c_root_id_A":"gybkqcb","c_root_id_B":"gybrtro","created_at_utc_A":1621170860,"created_at_utc_B":1621174834,"score_A":10,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"I had a 3.8, but just an FYI, my current job (first after graduating) did not ask for my grades. Just apply for everything and see what happens.","human_ref_B":"I was never asked about my school records. And it never came up during interviews.  I'd say just omit it.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3974.0,"score_ratio":1.4}
{"post_id":"ndkg0r","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Engineering students who graduated with a low gpa(<3.0), how did you manage to find job opportunities?","c_root_id_A":"gybrtro","c_root_id_B":"gybn1m4","created_at_utc_A":1621174834,"created_at_utc_B":1621172198,"score_A":14,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"I was never asked about my school records. And it never came up during interviews.  I'd say just omit it.","human_ref_B":"I graduated in December with a 2.6.  I managed to land an internship on campus two years before that by having the mechanical experience from a summer job of testing fire hydrant flow for the city and various hobbies like working on my motorcycle. It probably didn't hurt that I was in the military for four years before college.  The test technician position I got offered and will be starting soon was one of the first places that gave me an interview after sending easily over a hundred applications throughout college. The position lines up pretty well with what I was doing at my internship and allows me to learn the industry and be hands on like I prefer. There's also opportunity to move into an engineering position down the line.  Most places I applied to didn't ask for GPA in the initial application, but I've heard they'd ask in the interview. I've also heard most places don't care about your GPA once you get your foot in the door. But take that with a grain of salt.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2636.0,"score_ratio":2.3333333333}
{"post_id":"ndkg0r","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Engineering students who graduated with a low gpa(<3.0), how did you manage to find job opportunities?","c_root_id_A":"gybrtro","c_root_id_B":"gyb5lin","created_at_utc_A":1621174834,"created_at_utc_B":1621159375,"score_A":14,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"I was never asked about my school records. And it never came up during interviews.  I'd say just omit it.","human_ref_B":"My granpda got me a job thankfully, but I think I would be able to find a position regardless. I have applied for some and been rejected but I am working on my resume\/cover letter. I don't think GPA is critical.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":15459.0,"score_ratio":2.8}
{"post_id":"ndkg0r","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Engineering students who graduated with a low gpa(<3.0), how did you manage to find job opportunities?","c_root_id_A":"gyb5lin","c_root_id_B":"gybgx9q","created_at_utc_A":1621159375,"created_at_utc_B":1621168453,"score_A":5,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"My granpda got me a job thankfully, but I think I would be able to find a position regardless. I have applied for some and been rejected but I am working on my resume\/cover letter. I don't think GPA is critical.","human_ref_B":"I had a 2.5 and have not found an engineering job","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9078.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"ndkg0r","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Engineering students who graduated with a low gpa(<3.0), how did you manage to find job opportunities?","c_root_id_A":"gyb5lin","c_root_id_B":"gybkqcb","created_at_utc_A":1621159375,"created_at_utc_B":1621170860,"score_A":5,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"My granpda got me a job thankfully, but I think I would be able to find a position regardless. I have applied for some and been rejected but I am working on my resume\/cover letter. I don't think GPA is critical.","human_ref_B":"I had a 3.8, but just an FYI, my current job (first after graduating) did not ask for my grades. Just apply for everything and see what happens.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11485.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"ndkg0r","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Engineering students who graduated with a low gpa(<3.0), how did you manage to find job opportunities?","c_root_id_A":"gybw5zw","c_root_id_B":"gybn1m4","created_at_utc_A":1621177024,"created_at_utc_B":1621172198,"score_A":10,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"I graduated with a 2.44. I did not advertise it and only provided it when asked.   I had a lot of extracurriculars I could point to.   Some companies went silent when they found out my GPA others didn\u2019t even ask.   I had luck with recruiters for contract employment and even a temp to hire.  In fact out of the 5 engineering jobs that I\u2019ve had only one of them I found on my own.   I get my foot in the door with GE Steam Power as a temp, was eventually offered a permanent role (was layered lid off with an ass load of others)","human_ref_B":"I graduated in December with a 2.6.  I managed to land an internship on campus two years before that by having the mechanical experience from a summer job of testing fire hydrant flow for the city and various hobbies like working on my motorcycle. It probably didn't hurt that I was in the military for four years before college.  The test technician position I got offered and will be starting soon was one of the first places that gave me an interview after sending easily over a hundred applications throughout college. The position lines up pretty well with what I was doing at my internship and allows me to learn the industry and be hands on like I prefer. There's also opportunity to move into an engineering position down the line.  Most places I applied to didn't ask for GPA in the initial application, but I've heard they'd ask in the interview. I've also heard most places don't care about your GPA once you get your foot in the door. But take that with a grain of salt.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4826.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"ndkg0r","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Engineering students who graduated with a low gpa(<3.0), how did you manage to find job opportunities?","c_root_id_A":"gyb5lin","c_root_id_B":"gybw5zw","created_at_utc_A":1621159375,"created_at_utc_B":1621177024,"score_A":5,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"My granpda got me a job thankfully, but I think I would be able to find a position regardless. I have applied for some and been rejected but I am working on my resume\/cover letter. I don't think GPA is critical.","human_ref_B":"I graduated with a 2.44. I did not advertise it and only provided it when asked.   I had a lot of extracurriculars I could point to.   Some companies went silent when they found out my GPA others didn\u2019t even ask.   I had luck with recruiters for contract employment and even a temp to hire.  In fact out of the 5 engineering jobs that I\u2019ve had only one of them I found on my own.   I get my foot in the door with GE Steam Power as a temp, was eventually offered a permanent role (was layered lid off with an ass load of others)","labels":0,"seconds_difference":17649.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"ndkg0r","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Engineering students who graduated with a low gpa(<3.0), how did you manage to find job opportunities?","c_root_id_A":"gyc2yhe","c_root_id_B":"gybn1m4","created_at_utc_A":1621180300,"created_at_utc_B":1621172198,"score_A":8,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"2.7 gpa, no internship, no research (well kinda)  Took me 4 months of serious looking to find a job (2 months after I graduated ). I got an interview at a small company, they never asked about my GPA. I leveraged what I learned from my capstone and extracurricular experience for a job offer there. Stay there for a bit over a year before I jumped to a much bigger corp","human_ref_B":"I graduated in December with a 2.6.  I managed to land an internship on campus two years before that by having the mechanical experience from a summer job of testing fire hydrant flow for the city and various hobbies like working on my motorcycle. It probably didn't hurt that I was in the military for four years before college.  The test technician position I got offered and will be starting soon was one of the first places that gave me an interview after sending easily over a hundred applications throughout college. The position lines up pretty well with what I was doing at my internship and allows me to learn the industry and be hands on like I prefer. There's also opportunity to move into an engineering position down the line.  Most places I applied to didn't ask for GPA in the initial application, but I've heard they'd ask in the interview. I've also heard most places don't care about your GPA once you get your foot in the door. But take that with a grain of salt.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8102.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"ndkg0r","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Engineering students who graduated with a low gpa(<3.0), how did you manage to find job opportunities?","c_root_id_A":"gyb5lin","c_root_id_B":"gyc2yhe","created_at_utc_A":1621159375,"created_at_utc_B":1621180300,"score_A":5,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"My granpda got me a job thankfully, but I think I would be able to find a position regardless. I have applied for some and been rejected but I am working on my resume\/cover letter. I don't think GPA is critical.","human_ref_B":"2.7 gpa, no internship, no research (well kinda)  Took me 4 months of serious looking to find a job (2 months after I graduated ). I got an interview at a small company, they never asked about my GPA. I leveraged what I learned from my capstone and extracurricular experience for a job offer there. Stay there for a bit over a year before I jumped to a much bigger corp","labels":0,"seconds_difference":20925.0,"score_ratio":1.6}
{"post_id":"ndkg0r","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Engineering students who graduated with a low gpa(<3.0), how did you manage to find job opportunities?","c_root_id_A":"gyb5lin","c_root_id_B":"gybn1m4","created_at_utc_A":1621159375,"created_at_utc_B":1621172198,"score_A":5,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"My granpda got me a job thankfully, but I think I would be able to find a position regardless. I have applied for some and been rejected but I am working on my resume\/cover letter. I don't think GPA is critical.","human_ref_B":"I graduated in December with a 2.6.  I managed to land an internship on campus two years before that by having the mechanical experience from a summer job of testing fire hydrant flow for the city and various hobbies like working on my motorcycle. It probably didn't hurt that I was in the military for four years before college.  The test technician position I got offered and will be starting soon was one of the first places that gave me an interview after sending easily over a hundred applications throughout college. The position lines up pretty well with what I was doing at my internship and allows me to learn the industry and be hands on like I prefer. There's also opportunity to move into an engineering position down the line.  Most places I applied to didn't ask for GPA in the initial application, but I've heard they'd ask in the interview. I've also heard most places don't care about your GPA once you get your foot in the door. But take that with a grain of salt.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":12823.0,"score_ratio":1.2}
{"post_id":"ndkg0r","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Engineering students who graduated with a low gpa(<3.0), how did you manage to find job opportunities?","c_root_id_A":"gyc7czc","c_root_id_B":"gyb5lin","created_at_utc_A":1621182363,"created_at_utc_B":1621159375,"score_A":6,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Technically I had a 2.97 but I advertised it as a 3.0 on my resume.  Beyond that, I had a fair bit of other stuff on my resume beyond normal school work.  I'd been heavily involved in an engineering competition.  I was a veteran.  I'd worked IT (to pay the rent) during college.  I'd released a fairly popular piece of freeware.  So yeah... While the degree was the crown jewel of my resume, it wasn't the only thing on it by a long shot.","human_ref_B":"My granpda got me a job thankfully, but I think I would be able to find a position regardless. I have applied for some and been rejected but I am working on my resume\/cover letter. I don't think GPA is critical.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":22988.0,"score_ratio":1.2}
{"post_id":"j2o2qe","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"How often do you use\/consider vibrations in your work? I'm a mechanical engineering student and one of my classes this semester is about vibrations. My professor is terrible and I feel like I am not learning anything from his class. I don't plan on blowing off this class, but I just want to know if I need to stress about this as much as I have. I just want to know how often this stuff is really used out in the world.","c_root_id_A":"g76rnxk","c_root_id_B":"g76somo","created_at_utc_A":1601483907,"created_at_utc_B":1601484307,"score_A":3,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"It's pretty necessary if you want something to move. Translations are just low frequency high amplitude vibrations. I use the actual math pretty rarely, but the concepts are pretty handy for dynamics in general. Get familiar with spring mass damper systems and different types of damping, and you can model a shocking amount of stuff.","human_ref_B":"Like the other poster... I don\u2019t do much math but the concepts are necessary. I\u2019ve spent a fair amount of time\/money minimizing vibration. Obviously zero vibe is not doable, but I can dream and those dreams need an understanding of the theory to take form.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":400.0,"score_ratio":4.6666666667}
{"post_id":"j2o2qe","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"How often do you use\/consider vibrations in your work? I'm a mechanical engineering student and one of my classes this semester is about vibrations. My professor is terrible and I feel like I am not learning anything from his class. I don't plan on blowing off this class, but I just want to know if I need to stress about this as much as I have. I just want to know how often this stuff is really used out in the world.","c_root_id_A":"g76ykwa","c_root_id_B":"g774blz","created_at_utc_A":1601486681,"created_at_utc_B":1601488926,"score_A":5,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Every single day... but I'm also an acoustic \/ vibration engineer.","human_ref_B":"It depends on the field.   If you go the plumbing and hvac route, you'll probably never consider it once in your career.   If you're designing consumer products, likely minimal, but who knows, it depends on the type of products.  If you're designing parts for automotive or aerospace, probably going to consider it a lot and depending on where you fall in that industry, it might be your entire job.   If you're designing for robotics, absolutely all the time, even for stationary robotics.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2245.0,"score_ratio":1.8}
{"post_id":"j2o2qe","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"How often do you use\/consider vibrations in your work? I'm a mechanical engineering student and one of my classes this semester is about vibrations. My professor is terrible and I feel like I am not learning anything from his class. I don't plan on blowing off this class, but I just want to know if I need to stress about this as much as I have. I just want to know how often this stuff is really used out in the world.","c_root_id_A":"g76rnxk","c_root_id_B":"g774blz","created_at_utc_A":1601483907,"created_at_utc_B":1601488926,"score_A":3,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"It's pretty necessary if you want something to move. Translations are just low frequency high amplitude vibrations. I use the actual math pretty rarely, but the concepts are pretty handy for dynamics in general. Get familiar with spring mass damper systems and different types of damping, and you can model a shocking amount of stuff.","human_ref_B":"It depends on the field.   If you go the plumbing and hvac route, you'll probably never consider it once in your career.   If you're designing consumer products, likely minimal, but who knows, it depends on the type of products.  If you're designing parts for automotive or aerospace, probably going to consider it a lot and depending on where you fall in that industry, it might be your entire job.   If you're designing for robotics, absolutely all the time, even for stationary robotics.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5019.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"j2o2qe","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"How often do you use\/consider vibrations in your work? I'm a mechanical engineering student and one of my classes this semester is about vibrations. My professor is terrible and I feel like I am not learning anything from his class. I don't plan on blowing off this class, but I just want to know if I need to stress about this as much as I have. I just want to know how often this stuff is really used out in the world.","c_root_id_A":"g774blz","c_root_id_B":"g76xwp0","created_at_utc_A":1601488926,"created_at_utc_B":1601486413,"score_A":9,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"It depends on the field.   If you go the plumbing and hvac route, you'll probably never consider it once in your career.   If you're designing consumer products, likely minimal, but who knows, it depends on the type of products.  If you're designing parts for automotive or aerospace, probably going to consider it a lot and depending on where you fall in that industry, it might be your entire job.   If you're designing for robotics, absolutely all the time, even for stationary robotics.","human_ref_B":"I've never seen anybody sit down and do a spring-mass-damper system dynamics type problem before but I'm in automotive and we do incredible amounts of vibration testing to ensure the vehicles don't just shake themselves apart. We have a huge building with hydraulic cylinders and a gigantic test track with about a dozen \"events\" on it that we use to quantify the testing.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2513.0,"score_ratio":4.5}
{"post_id":"j2o2qe","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"How often do you use\/consider vibrations in your work? I'm a mechanical engineering student and one of my classes this semester is about vibrations. My professor is terrible and I feel like I am not learning anything from his class. I don't plan on blowing off this class, but I just want to know if I need to stress about this as much as I have. I just want to know how often this stuff is really used out in the world.","c_root_id_A":"g76ykwa","c_root_id_B":"g76rnxk","created_at_utc_A":1601486681,"created_at_utc_B":1601483907,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Every single day... but I'm also an acoustic \/ vibration engineer.","human_ref_B":"It's pretty necessary if you want something to move. Translations are just low frequency high amplitude vibrations. I use the actual math pretty rarely, but the concepts are pretty handy for dynamics in general. Get familiar with spring mass damper systems and different types of damping, and you can model a shocking amount of stuff.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2774.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"j2o2qe","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"How often do you use\/consider vibrations in your work? I'm a mechanical engineering student and one of my classes this semester is about vibrations. My professor is terrible and I feel like I am not learning anything from his class. I don't plan on blowing off this class, but I just want to know if I need to stress about this as much as I have. I just want to know how often this stuff is really used out in the world.","c_root_id_A":"g76ykwa","c_root_id_B":"g76xwp0","created_at_utc_A":1601486681,"created_at_utc_B":1601486413,"score_A":5,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Every single day... but I'm also an acoustic \/ vibration engineer.","human_ref_B":"I've never seen anybody sit down and do a spring-mass-damper system dynamics type problem before but I'm in automotive and we do incredible amounts of vibration testing to ensure the vehicles don't just shake themselves apart. We have a huge building with hydraulic cylinders and a gigantic test track with about a dozen \"events\" on it that we use to quantify the testing.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":268.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"swska0","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Should I quit my current engineering job at a startup? This is my first job out of college and although I love the culture and stuff I do I don\u2019t enjoy the pay. I think certain fast food places pay as much as I\u2019m being paid currently. I recently reached a year with the company and asked for an 8k raise. My boss said that the company doesn\u2019t have enough money to bump me to 50k even though they just received a large amount of non-diluted funding which they used to bring in a senior engineer for 120k (well within the market price for him). He said the best they can do is adjust for inflation, about 7%. I currently have a buffer building out a solidworks curriculum which can support me for a month and I have connections to do construction which would pay me more than I make now until I find another engineering position. So should I put in my two weeks now or suck it up until I find an offer?","c_root_id_A":"hxo17n2","c_root_id_B":"hxo1hnz","created_at_utc_A":1645332022,"created_at_utc_B":1645332178,"score_A":45,"score_B":51,"human_ref_A":"You're getting 42k and no stock options at a startup?  Put in your 2 weeks the second you have another offer with no contingencies (ie, passed background check and\/or drug screen if applicate).  You're getting fucking fleeced imo.","human_ref_B":"42k is terrible money as an engineer. The only way this would be maybe ok is if you\u2019re getting a bunch of stock options which could be worth a lot. Its up to you if you\u2019re confident enough in your backups to quit right away; but I probably would.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":156.0,"score_ratio":1.1333333333}
{"post_id":"swska0","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Should I quit my current engineering job at a startup? This is my first job out of college and although I love the culture and stuff I do I don\u2019t enjoy the pay. I think certain fast food places pay as much as I\u2019m being paid currently. I recently reached a year with the company and asked for an 8k raise. My boss said that the company doesn\u2019t have enough money to bump me to 50k even though they just received a large amount of non-diluted funding which they used to bring in a senior engineer for 120k (well within the market price for him). He said the best they can do is adjust for inflation, about 7%. I currently have a buffer building out a solidworks curriculum which can support me for a month and I have connections to do construction which would pay me more than I make now until I find another engineering position. So should I put in my two weeks now or suck it up until I find an offer?","c_root_id_A":"hxo1hnz","c_root_id_B":"hxo0guc","created_at_utc_A":1645332178,"created_at_utc_B":1645331604,"score_A":51,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"42k is terrible money as an engineer. The only way this would be maybe ok is if you\u2019re getting a bunch of stock options which could be worth a lot. Its up to you if you\u2019re confident enough in your backups to quit right away; but I probably would.","human_ref_B":"I would ask for a stake in the company as compensation to make the difference. A successful start up can make you retire way earlier than you thought you would, but don't let them fuck you over. They may be honest that they can't afford to pay you well and accomplish their goals, but there are other forms of compensation that don't immediately cost them anything.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":574.0,"score_ratio":10.2}
{"post_id":"swska0","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Should I quit my current engineering job at a startup? This is my first job out of college and although I love the culture and stuff I do I don\u2019t enjoy the pay. I think certain fast food places pay as much as I\u2019m being paid currently. I recently reached a year with the company and asked for an 8k raise. My boss said that the company doesn\u2019t have enough money to bump me to 50k even though they just received a large amount of non-diluted funding which they used to bring in a senior engineer for 120k (well within the market price for him). He said the best they can do is adjust for inflation, about 7%. I currently have a buffer building out a solidworks curriculum which can support me for a month and I have connections to do construction which would pay me more than I make now until I find another engineering position. So should I put in my two weeks now or suck it up until I find an offer?","c_root_id_A":"hxo0guc","c_root_id_B":"hxo17n2","created_at_utc_A":1645331604,"created_at_utc_B":1645332022,"score_A":5,"score_B":45,"human_ref_A":"I would ask for a stake in the company as compensation to make the difference. A successful start up can make you retire way earlier than you thought you would, but don't let them fuck you over. They may be honest that they can't afford to pay you well and accomplish their goals, but there are other forms of compensation that don't immediately cost them anything.","human_ref_B":"You're getting 42k and no stock options at a startup?  Put in your 2 weeks the second you have another offer with no contingencies (ie, passed background check and\/or drug screen if applicate).  You're getting fucking fleeced imo.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":418.0,"score_ratio":9.0}
{"post_id":"swska0","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Should I quit my current engineering job at a startup? This is my first job out of college and although I love the culture and stuff I do I don\u2019t enjoy the pay. I think certain fast food places pay as much as I\u2019m being paid currently. I recently reached a year with the company and asked for an 8k raise. My boss said that the company doesn\u2019t have enough money to bump me to 50k even though they just received a large amount of non-diluted funding which they used to bring in a senior engineer for 120k (well within the market price for him). He said the best they can do is adjust for inflation, about 7%. I currently have a buffer building out a solidworks curriculum which can support me for a month and I have connections to do construction which would pay me more than I make now until I find another engineering position. So should I put in my two weeks now or suck it up until I find an offer?","c_root_id_A":"hxpabq2","c_root_id_B":"hxo0guc","created_at_utc_A":1645364625,"created_at_utc_B":1645331604,"score_A":11,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"$42k and no stocks?  We pay interns better than that at my company.","human_ref_B":"I would ask for a stake in the company as compensation to make the difference. A successful start up can make you retire way earlier than you thought you would, but don't let them fuck you over. They may be honest that they can't afford to pay you well and accomplish their goals, but there are other forms of compensation that don't immediately cost them anything.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":33021.0,"score_ratio":2.2}
{"post_id":"swska0","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Should I quit my current engineering job at a startup? This is my first job out of college and although I love the culture and stuff I do I don\u2019t enjoy the pay. I think certain fast food places pay as much as I\u2019m being paid currently. I recently reached a year with the company and asked for an 8k raise. My boss said that the company doesn\u2019t have enough money to bump me to 50k even though they just received a large amount of non-diluted funding which they used to bring in a senior engineer for 120k (well within the market price for him). He said the best they can do is adjust for inflation, about 7%. I currently have a buffer building out a solidworks curriculum which can support me for a month and I have connections to do construction which would pay me more than I make now until I find another engineering position. So should I put in my two weeks now or suck it up until I find an offer?","c_root_id_A":"hxo4zvp","c_root_id_B":"hxpabq2","created_at_utc_A":1645334240,"created_at_utc_B":1645364625,"score_A":5,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"Agree with other commenters ... people work for less at a start up due to stock options and being able to effectively take a risk on pay to gain in the future. No stock options?? I\u2019d quit and go elsewhere.. the experience in no name start up isn\u2019t worth the pay cut.","human_ref_B":"$42k and no stocks?  We pay interns better than that at my company.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":30385.0,"score_ratio":2.2}
{"post_id":"swska0","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Should I quit my current engineering job at a startup? This is my first job out of college and although I love the culture and stuff I do I don\u2019t enjoy the pay. I think certain fast food places pay as much as I\u2019m being paid currently. I recently reached a year with the company and asked for an 8k raise. My boss said that the company doesn\u2019t have enough money to bump me to 50k even though they just received a large amount of non-diluted funding which they used to bring in a senior engineer for 120k (well within the market price for him). He said the best they can do is adjust for inflation, about 7%. I currently have a buffer building out a solidworks curriculum which can support me for a month and I have connections to do construction which would pay me more than I make now until I find another engineering position. So should I put in my two weeks now or suck it up until I find an offer?","c_root_id_A":"hxpabq2","c_root_id_B":"hxort6s","created_at_utc_A":1645364625,"created_at_utc_B":1645351113,"score_A":11,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"$42k and no stocks?  We pay interns better than that at my company.","human_ref_B":"They have the money, they just chose not to spend it on you and rather hired a Sr Engineer instead. That\u2019s their clear priority  Now you have to decide what your priority is.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":13512.0,"score_ratio":1.8333333333}
{"post_id":"swska0","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Should I quit my current engineering job at a startup? This is my first job out of college and although I love the culture and stuff I do I don\u2019t enjoy the pay. I think certain fast food places pay as much as I\u2019m being paid currently. I recently reached a year with the company and asked for an 8k raise. My boss said that the company doesn\u2019t have enough money to bump me to 50k even though they just received a large amount of non-diluted funding which they used to bring in a senior engineer for 120k (well within the market price for him). He said the best they can do is adjust for inflation, about 7%. I currently have a buffer building out a solidworks curriculum which can support me for a month and I have connections to do construction which would pay me more than I make now until I find another engineering position. So should I put in my two weeks now or suck it up until I find an offer?","c_root_id_A":"hxobe1w","c_root_id_B":"hxpabq2","created_at_utc_A":1645338432,"created_at_utc_B":1645364625,"score_A":2,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"Good god man\/woman, yes","human_ref_B":"$42k and no stocks?  We pay interns better than that at my company.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":26193.0,"score_ratio":5.5}
{"post_id":"swska0","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Should I quit my current engineering job at a startup? This is my first job out of college and although I love the culture and stuff I do I don\u2019t enjoy the pay. I think certain fast food places pay as much as I\u2019m being paid currently. I recently reached a year with the company and asked for an 8k raise. My boss said that the company doesn\u2019t have enough money to bump me to 50k even though they just received a large amount of non-diluted funding which they used to bring in a senior engineer for 120k (well within the market price for him). He said the best they can do is adjust for inflation, about 7%. I currently have a buffer building out a solidworks curriculum which can support me for a month and I have connections to do construction which would pay me more than I make now until I find another engineering position. So should I put in my two weeks now or suck it up until I find an offer?","c_root_id_A":"hxort6s","c_root_id_B":"hxo0guc","created_at_utc_A":1645351113,"created_at_utc_B":1645331604,"score_A":6,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"They have the money, they just chose not to spend it on you and rather hired a Sr Engineer instead. That\u2019s their clear priority  Now you have to decide what your priority is.","human_ref_B":"I would ask for a stake in the company as compensation to make the difference. A successful start up can make you retire way earlier than you thought you would, but don't let them fuck you over. They may be honest that they can't afford to pay you well and accomplish their goals, but there are other forms of compensation that don't immediately cost them anything.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":19509.0,"score_ratio":1.2}
{"post_id":"swska0","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Should I quit my current engineering job at a startup? This is my first job out of college and although I love the culture and stuff I do I don\u2019t enjoy the pay. I think certain fast food places pay as much as I\u2019m being paid currently. I recently reached a year with the company and asked for an 8k raise. My boss said that the company doesn\u2019t have enough money to bump me to 50k even though they just received a large amount of non-diluted funding which they used to bring in a senior engineer for 120k (well within the market price for him). He said the best they can do is adjust for inflation, about 7%. I currently have a buffer building out a solidworks curriculum which can support me for a month and I have connections to do construction which would pay me more than I make now until I find another engineering position. So should I put in my two weeks now or suck it up until I find an offer?","c_root_id_A":"hxo4zvp","c_root_id_B":"hxort6s","created_at_utc_A":1645334240,"created_at_utc_B":1645351113,"score_A":5,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Agree with other commenters ... people work for less at a start up due to stock options and being able to effectively take a risk on pay to gain in the future. No stock options?? I\u2019d quit and go elsewhere.. the experience in no name start up isn\u2019t worth the pay cut.","human_ref_B":"They have the money, they just chose not to spend it on you and rather hired a Sr Engineer instead. That\u2019s their clear priority  Now you have to decide what your priority is.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":16873.0,"score_ratio":1.2}
{"post_id":"swska0","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Should I quit my current engineering job at a startup? This is my first job out of college and although I love the culture and stuff I do I don\u2019t enjoy the pay. I think certain fast food places pay as much as I\u2019m being paid currently. I recently reached a year with the company and asked for an 8k raise. My boss said that the company doesn\u2019t have enough money to bump me to 50k even though they just received a large amount of non-diluted funding which they used to bring in a senior engineer for 120k (well within the market price for him). He said the best they can do is adjust for inflation, about 7%. I currently have a buffer building out a solidworks curriculum which can support me for a month and I have connections to do construction which would pay me more than I make now until I find another engineering position. So should I put in my two weeks now or suck it up until I find an offer?","c_root_id_A":"hxobe1w","c_root_id_B":"hxort6s","created_at_utc_A":1645338432,"created_at_utc_B":1645351113,"score_A":2,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Good god man\/woman, yes","human_ref_B":"They have the money, they just chose not to spend it on you and rather hired a Sr Engineer instead. That\u2019s their clear priority  Now you have to decide what your priority is.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":12681.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"swska0","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Should I quit my current engineering job at a startup? This is my first job out of college and although I love the culture and stuff I do I don\u2019t enjoy the pay. I think certain fast food places pay as much as I\u2019m being paid currently. I recently reached a year with the company and asked for an 8k raise. My boss said that the company doesn\u2019t have enough money to bump me to 50k even though they just received a large amount of non-diluted funding which they used to bring in a senior engineer for 120k (well within the market price for him). He said the best they can do is adjust for inflation, about 7%. I currently have a buffer building out a solidworks curriculum which can support me for a month and I have connections to do construction which would pay me more than I make now until I find another engineering position. So should I put in my two weeks now or suck it up until I find an offer?","c_root_id_A":"hxobe1w","c_root_id_B":"hxqda2v","created_at_utc_A":1645338432,"created_at_utc_B":1645381545,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Good god man\/woman, yes","human_ref_B":"Quit and comeback if they ask you...ask for a bigger salary. Or actually, it's a pretty low pay dude, find another job.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":43113.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"swska0","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Should I quit my current engineering job at a startup? This is my first job out of college and although I love the culture and stuff I do I don\u2019t enjoy the pay. I think certain fast food places pay as much as I\u2019m being paid currently. I recently reached a year with the company and asked for an 8k raise. My boss said that the company doesn\u2019t have enough money to bump me to 50k even though they just received a large amount of non-diluted funding which they used to bring in a senior engineer for 120k (well within the market price for him). He said the best they can do is adjust for inflation, about 7%. I currently have a buffer building out a solidworks curriculum which can support me for a month and I have connections to do construction which would pay me more than I make now until I find another engineering position. So should I put in my two weeks now or suck it up until I find an offer?","c_root_id_A":"hxqda2v","c_root_id_B":"hxpgsv5","created_at_utc_A":1645381545,"created_at_utc_B":1645368000,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Quit and comeback if they ask you...ask for a bigger salary. Or actually, it's a pretty low pay dude, find another job.","human_ref_B":"Well, it sounds like you literally have no reason to stay. Pay is bad, no stock options, you aren't running the show.  What are we missing? Let's flip this... why should you stay?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":13545.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"nhfbam","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"What has been your experience working at an engineering services company? My last job was for an engineering services company and I didn't like it at all. Very short projects, managers on both sides expecting faster results, very disorganized...  So, what has your experience been working at an engineering services company? Is it just the name of the game?","c_root_id_A":"gyw717e","c_root_id_B":"gyw82q4","created_at_utc_A":1621560389,"created_at_utc_B":1621560941,"score_A":2,"score_B":41,"human_ref_A":"What kind of engineering services are you referring to?","human_ref_B":"Project Lead: Can you look at this request for proposal and tell me your approach and estimated hours. Can you get it to me today? The client is in a major bind and they are looking to get the work started next week. Oh and I don't have a charge code for you.   Shake: Sure. We'll need to revise this calc. We'll use this approach. It is all predicated on the client providing us these design inputs. It will take 160 hours.  *Two months pass*  Project Lead: We won the work. We had a kickoff meeting last week that I forgot to invite you to. So the schedule actually started ticking last week sorry. Oh and you have 120 hours.  Shake: Great. I will need the design inputs I noted in the scope of work.   Project Lead: Oh. Okay. Um. I'll ask the client about it.  *A week passes*  Project Lead: Hi, how's the calc going? I have to go into a status meeting for the project in 15 minutes.  Shake: I haven't worked on it at all.  Project Lead: Wait, what? It's due this week!  Shake: I still don't have the design inputs I asked for.  Project Lead: Oh yeah, those. Did I not tell you? I asked them about it and they said it would be too much work to pull all that stuff together. Can you make do without them?  Shake: I guess I could make a bunch of conservative assumptions that consume the entirety of the design margin, show the design barely meeting the regulatory requirements, and absolutely fucks the next person that has to revise this calc, which is probably me in like 2 years?  Project Lead: Sounds great.  *Sends calc to client for owner's acceptance review*  Client: Why is our margin gone?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":552.0,"score_ratio":20.5}
{"post_id":"nhfbam","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"What has been your experience working at an engineering services company? My last job was for an engineering services company and I didn't like it at all. Very short projects, managers on both sides expecting faster results, very disorganized...  So, what has your experience been working at an engineering services company? Is it just the name of the game?","c_root_id_A":"gywbd3z","c_root_id_B":"gyw717e","created_at_utc_A":1621562689,"created_at_utc_B":1621560389,"score_A":8,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019ve worked for a consulting engineering firm for six years now and generally I enjoy it. I manage small projects (20-400 hours) and there\u2019s always something new on my plate which keeps things interesting. Managing my multiple budgets (up to 8 at a time) is definitely my least favorite part of the role but it has drilled organization into my brain. The best part is I rarely ever work more than 40 hours a week.","human_ref_B":"What kind of engineering services are you referring to?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2300.0,"score_ratio":4.0}
{"post_id":"nhfbam","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"What has been your experience working at an engineering services company? My last job was for an engineering services company and I didn't like it at all. Very short projects, managers on both sides expecting faster results, very disorganized...  So, what has your experience been working at an engineering services company? Is it just the name of the game?","c_root_id_A":"gyxm6rt","c_root_id_B":"gyxpul8","created_at_utc_A":1621598029,"created_at_utc_B":1621600307,"score_A":4,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"I just joined a client after working in engineering services after 10 years. I joined to see full cycle of project execution and realize more career growth. Engineering services experience allow you to see many different varieties of projects and methodologies which makes you a better engineer for future projects. It did start to get old after a while but I can always go back if I get tired of client-side dysfunction.","human_ref_B":"Ive been working at an engineering services company for a few years and I think the most difficult part, for a person like me who doesn't like to sit idle, is that the work load is feast or famine. I believe this is due to how capex funding works on the client side. They get their funding at the beginning of the year and don't start cutting large POs till Feb\/March, and then by the time November rolls around, the only funding left are for small projects or no projects at all.   Also managing the impact of client's changing their mind to project scope, schedule, and budget can be frustrating and time consuming. I've worked in both project management and engineering design roles, and I've found that often one side doesn't understand the other, which leads to internal conflict. There are ways that the frustrations in engineering services could be alleviated through better communication, but the old men at the top of the company often focus more on brown nosing the client than trying to make things easier for their engineers.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2278.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"nhfbam","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"What has been your experience working at an engineering services company? My last job was for an engineering services company and I didn't like it at all. Very short projects, managers on both sides expecting faster results, very disorganized...  So, what has your experience been working at an engineering services company? Is it just the name of the game?","c_root_id_A":"gyw717e","c_root_id_B":"gyxpul8","created_at_utc_A":1621560389,"created_at_utc_B":1621600307,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"What kind of engineering services are you referring to?","human_ref_B":"Ive been working at an engineering services company for a few years and I think the most difficult part, for a person like me who doesn't like to sit idle, is that the work load is feast or famine. I believe this is due to how capex funding works on the client side. They get their funding at the beginning of the year and don't start cutting large POs till Feb\/March, and then by the time November rolls around, the only funding left are for small projects or no projects at all.   Also managing the impact of client's changing their mind to project scope, schedule, and budget can be frustrating and time consuming. I've worked in both project management and engineering design roles, and I've found that often one side doesn't understand the other, which leads to internal conflict. There are ways that the frustrations in engineering services could be alleviated through better communication, but the old men at the top of the company often focus more on brown nosing the client than trying to make things easier for their engineers.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":39918.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"nhfbam","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"What has been your experience working at an engineering services company? My last job was for an engineering services company and I didn't like it at all. Very short projects, managers on both sides expecting faster results, very disorganized...  So, what has your experience been working at an engineering services company? Is it just the name of the game?","c_root_id_A":"gyxm6rt","c_root_id_B":"gyw717e","created_at_utc_A":1621598029,"created_at_utc_B":1621560389,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I just joined a client after working in engineering services after 10 years. I joined to see full cycle of project execution and realize more career growth. Engineering services experience allow you to see many different varieties of projects and methodologies which makes you a better engineer for future projects. It did start to get old after a while but I can always go back if I get tired of client-side dysfunction.","human_ref_B":"What kind of engineering services are you referring to?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":37640.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"nhfbam","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"What has been your experience working at an engineering services company? My last job was for an engineering services company and I didn't like it at all. Very short projects, managers on both sides expecting faster results, very disorganized...  So, what has your experience been working at an engineering services company? Is it just the name of the game?","c_root_id_A":"gyxpybq","c_root_id_B":"gyw717e","created_at_utc_A":1621600369,"created_at_utc_B":1621560389,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I've been doing it for about six years. I generally like it, don't get bored, get broad experience.  Working on the 6-8 month projects is the best, time to build relationships and structure. It is the 20-50K projects that are the most stressful. No on ramp and have to watch every hour.","human_ref_B":"What kind of engineering services are you referring to?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":39980.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"j364x9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"If the EU is so focused on Euro emissions standards, why is there not more focus on truck design? So this is gonna sound like a bit of guesswork, and it is.  However as a truck driver, I full on believe that I can *feel* the extra resistance when driving a Cabover truck versus a bonneted truck.  Plus from my experience, our Bonnet trucks got better economy over our new Cabovers at work.  The old bonnet trucks did around 650km from 400l of Diesel, these were running Mack Engines designed in the 70's, so an economy of 61.54l\/100km at 55 tonnes  The new trucks are a tad heavier, I've not had one past 60 tonnes, however we get down to 350km from 400l of Diesel, which comes to 114.29l\/100km on some runs.  The new heavy transporter (low loader) can get, on a good day, 200l\/100km and if terrain is bad, even less, but that's in excess of 100 tonnes.  However then you go across to companies that make bonnet trucks, so for example the drag co-efficient of a Tesla Semi is 0.35, most Bonnet trucks get around 0.5 and most Cabovers get as high as 0.9  So it makes me think if anyone knows how to reduce aerodynamic drag, it would be Tesla, so they clearly picked a bonnet truck for a reason.  Now, to me, even with the DPF and DEF and all the other emissions gear, the fact that our new trucks that are Euro 5 are chewing damn near double the fuel of our old trucks at a similar weight makes me wonder, is this Euro 5 Emissions stuff actually achieving anything?  Would Manufacturers possibly see better gains from making more aerodynamic bonnet trucks? I get that you might have to knock maybe 2-4 pallet spaces off a trailer to get the overall length to be the same, to remain under dimension limits, however if you're spending half the money on fuel, surely those savings could stack up over 1,000,000kms?  For reference, our Cabovers will chew 1,142,900 litres of fuel, the old truck would chew 615,400 litres, so a saving of 527,500 litres over the life of the truck, or at current Australian prices of $1.19\/l that's around $627,725 AUD per truck, so a fleet of trucks us a massive fuel saving  So looking at a cost of $2.05\/km on average to operate a truck in Australia, and an average 45ft trailer so for 26 pallets that's around $0.07884615\/pallet\/km  So freight of 1,500km as an average would be $118.27\/pallet per trip  So if your average trip is 1,500km then you would get 666 trips out of your truck per million kilometres.  So that's $78,767.82 earned by that truck per pallet space, so removing 2 pallet spaces would lose $157,535.64 over the lifetime of the truck, 4 spaces would lose $315,071.28 so even losing 4 whole pallet spaces to run a bonnet truck to a Cabover would still net you a saving over the life of the truck of around $312,654 if the fuel savings I've observed hold true.  So yeah, it's got me wondering why Euro Emissions aren't calling for more efficient truck shapes, and instead seem to focus on engines and exhaust emissions?  Is there a practical reason why Cabovers are still preferred by European truck Manufacturers and why a lot of the trucks coming out now to Euro emissions standards, even from companies like Kenworth are pushing Cabovers, with the bonnet trucks being more focused on the heavy lifting (Like the T909 being aimed at Road Train work and the Mack Titan being targeted at Heavy Haulage) where economy and emissions aren't as much of a concern?","c_root_id_A":"g7acp43","c_root_id_B":"g79zle9","created_at_utc_A":1601561832,"created_at_utc_B":1601553572,"score_A":102,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019m an engineer that designs exhausts along with working on meeting future emission standards. The increase in fuel use is offset by the decrease in NOx from the emissions related components. NOx has a global warming effect about 90 times greater then CO2. So the goal of the exhaust system is to get as much of the exhaust emissions back to CO2 as possible. Then the soot emission from the Diesel engine are a major contributor to lung damage and cancer, so they want to eliminate as much of that as possible. All of that is done at a slight expense of fuel economy. They are getting better about it though.","human_ref_B":"\"If the EU is so focused on Euro emissions standards, why is there not more focus on truck design?\"  Because politicians don't actually care about if they meet their stated goals or not, or even what those stated goals actually are - they only care about how well received their sound bites are by focus groups.   And of course there's the problem that there's not a single politician anywhere in the world who could have understood your initial question, let alone your very well thought out and thorough follow-up.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8260.0,"score_ratio":6.0}
{"post_id":"j364x9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"If the EU is so focused on Euro emissions standards, why is there not more focus on truck design? So this is gonna sound like a bit of guesswork, and it is.  However as a truck driver, I full on believe that I can *feel* the extra resistance when driving a Cabover truck versus a bonneted truck.  Plus from my experience, our Bonnet trucks got better economy over our new Cabovers at work.  The old bonnet trucks did around 650km from 400l of Diesel, these were running Mack Engines designed in the 70's, so an economy of 61.54l\/100km at 55 tonnes  The new trucks are a tad heavier, I've not had one past 60 tonnes, however we get down to 350km from 400l of Diesel, which comes to 114.29l\/100km on some runs.  The new heavy transporter (low loader) can get, on a good day, 200l\/100km and if terrain is bad, even less, but that's in excess of 100 tonnes.  However then you go across to companies that make bonnet trucks, so for example the drag co-efficient of a Tesla Semi is 0.35, most Bonnet trucks get around 0.5 and most Cabovers get as high as 0.9  So it makes me think if anyone knows how to reduce aerodynamic drag, it would be Tesla, so they clearly picked a bonnet truck for a reason.  Now, to me, even with the DPF and DEF and all the other emissions gear, the fact that our new trucks that are Euro 5 are chewing damn near double the fuel of our old trucks at a similar weight makes me wonder, is this Euro 5 Emissions stuff actually achieving anything?  Would Manufacturers possibly see better gains from making more aerodynamic bonnet trucks? I get that you might have to knock maybe 2-4 pallet spaces off a trailer to get the overall length to be the same, to remain under dimension limits, however if you're spending half the money on fuel, surely those savings could stack up over 1,000,000kms?  For reference, our Cabovers will chew 1,142,900 litres of fuel, the old truck would chew 615,400 litres, so a saving of 527,500 litres over the life of the truck, or at current Australian prices of $1.19\/l that's around $627,725 AUD per truck, so a fleet of trucks us a massive fuel saving  So looking at a cost of $2.05\/km on average to operate a truck in Australia, and an average 45ft trailer so for 26 pallets that's around $0.07884615\/pallet\/km  So freight of 1,500km as an average would be $118.27\/pallet per trip  So if your average trip is 1,500km then you would get 666 trips out of your truck per million kilometres.  So that's $78,767.82 earned by that truck per pallet space, so removing 2 pallet spaces would lose $157,535.64 over the lifetime of the truck, 4 spaces would lose $315,071.28 so even losing 4 whole pallet spaces to run a bonnet truck to a Cabover would still net you a saving over the life of the truck of around $312,654 if the fuel savings I've observed hold true.  So yeah, it's got me wondering why Euro Emissions aren't calling for more efficient truck shapes, and instead seem to focus on engines and exhaust emissions?  Is there a practical reason why Cabovers are still preferred by European truck Manufacturers and why a lot of the trucks coming out now to Euro emissions standards, even from companies like Kenworth are pushing Cabovers, with the bonnet trucks being more focused on the heavy lifting (Like the T909 being aimed at Road Train work and the Mack Titan being targeted at Heavy Haulage) where economy and emissions aren't as much of a concern?","c_root_id_A":"g7acp43","c_root_id_B":"g7a27jf","created_at_utc_A":1601561832,"created_at_utc_B":1601555476,"score_A":102,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019m an engineer that designs exhausts along with working on meeting future emission standards. The increase in fuel use is offset by the decrease in NOx from the emissions related components. NOx has a global warming effect about 90 times greater then CO2. So the goal of the exhaust system is to get as much of the exhaust emissions back to CO2 as possible. Then the soot emission from the Diesel engine are a major contributor to lung damage and cancer, so they want to eliminate as much of that as possible. All of that is done at a slight expense of fuel economy. They are getting better about it though.","human_ref_B":"Do you have actual data to back up your math?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6356.0,"score_ratio":20.4}
{"post_id":"j364x9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"If the EU is so focused on Euro emissions standards, why is there not more focus on truck design? So this is gonna sound like a bit of guesswork, and it is.  However as a truck driver, I full on believe that I can *feel* the extra resistance when driving a Cabover truck versus a bonneted truck.  Plus from my experience, our Bonnet trucks got better economy over our new Cabovers at work.  The old bonnet trucks did around 650km from 400l of Diesel, these were running Mack Engines designed in the 70's, so an economy of 61.54l\/100km at 55 tonnes  The new trucks are a tad heavier, I've not had one past 60 tonnes, however we get down to 350km from 400l of Diesel, which comes to 114.29l\/100km on some runs.  The new heavy transporter (low loader) can get, on a good day, 200l\/100km and if terrain is bad, even less, but that's in excess of 100 tonnes.  However then you go across to companies that make bonnet trucks, so for example the drag co-efficient of a Tesla Semi is 0.35, most Bonnet trucks get around 0.5 and most Cabovers get as high as 0.9  So it makes me think if anyone knows how to reduce aerodynamic drag, it would be Tesla, so they clearly picked a bonnet truck for a reason.  Now, to me, even with the DPF and DEF and all the other emissions gear, the fact that our new trucks that are Euro 5 are chewing damn near double the fuel of our old trucks at a similar weight makes me wonder, is this Euro 5 Emissions stuff actually achieving anything?  Would Manufacturers possibly see better gains from making more aerodynamic bonnet trucks? I get that you might have to knock maybe 2-4 pallet spaces off a trailer to get the overall length to be the same, to remain under dimension limits, however if you're spending half the money on fuel, surely those savings could stack up over 1,000,000kms?  For reference, our Cabovers will chew 1,142,900 litres of fuel, the old truck would chew 615,400 litres, so a saving of 527,500 litres over the life of the truck, or at current Australian prices of $1.19\/l that's around $627,725 AUD per truck, so a fleet of trucks us a massive fuel saving  So looking at a cost of $2.05\/km on average to operate a truck in Australia, and an average 45ft trailer so for 26 pallets that's around $0.07884615\/pallet\/km  So freight of 1,500km as an average would be $118.27\/pallet per trip  So if your average trip is 1,500km then you would get 666 trips out of your truck per million kilometres.  So that's $78,767.82 earned by that truck per pallet space, so removing 2 pallet spaces would lose $157,535.64 over the lifetime of the truck, 4 spaces would lose $315,071.28 so even losing 4 whole pallet spaces to run a bonnet truck to a Cabover would still net you a saving over the life of the truck of around $312,654 if the fuel savings I've observed hold true.  So yeah, it's got me wondering why Euro Emissions aren't calling for more efficient truck shapes, and instead seem to focus on engines and exhaust emissions?  Is there a practical reason why Cabovers are still preferred by European truck Manufacturers and why a lot of the trucks coming out now to Euro emissions standards, even from companies like Kenworth are pushing Cabovers, with the bonnet trucks being more focused on the heavy lifting (Like the T909 being aimed at Road Train work and the Mack Titan being targeted at Heavy Haulage) where economy and emissions aren't as much of a concern?","c_root_id_A":"g7adg71","c_root_id_B":"g7af0cd","created_at_utc_A":1601562182,"created_at_utc_B":1601562879,"score_A":15,"score_B":61,"human_ref_A":"You may be burning more fuel to go the same distance but the amount of harmful emissions in your exhaust will be less with a properly working system. You could burnt twice as much fuel to go the same distance but still only emit half the harmful emissions. It would be less efficient cost wise but not necessarily worse as far as emissions goes. Engine and exhaust system design have a larger impact on emissions because it is not typically measured as the amount of harmful emissions your vehicle produces but the rate at which your vehicle produces. The amount would change over the same distance if you drove significantly faster or had a lighter load. The rate let\u2019s you know your emissions contribution per liter of fuel used regardless of engine speed, which gives a more universal metric to compare across different applications. I hope that makes sense.","human_ref_B":"The EU specifies a maximum length for vehicles (12M?), as far as I know cabovers are used because they leave more room for cargo. Nothing to do with emissions standards.   edit: after reading a little more, the commision wants to allow for longer cab length to improve aerodynamics and driver comfort but apparently truck manufacturers are lobbying against this. Anyway from 2022 the regulations will allow for longer cabs.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":697.0,"score_ratio":4.0666666667}
{"post_id":"j364x9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"If the EU is so focused on Euro emissions standards, why is there not more focus on truck design? So this is gonna sound like a bit of guesswork, and it is.  However as a truck driver, I full on believe that I can *feel* the extra resistance when driving a Cabover truck versus a bonneted truck.  Plus from my experience, our Bonnet trucks got better economy over our new Cabovers at work.  The old bonnet trucks did around 650km from 400l of Diesel, these were running Mack Engines designed in the 70's, so an economy of 61.54l\/100km at 55 tonnes  The new trucks are a tad heavier, I've not had one past 60 tonnes, however we get down to 350km from 400l of Diesel, which comes to 114.29l\/100km on some runs.  The new heavy transporter (low loader) can get, on a good day, 200l\/100km and if terrain is bad, even less, but that's in excess of 100 tonnes.  However then you go across to companies that make bonnet trucks, so for example the drag co-efficient of a Tesla Semi is 0.35, most Bonnet trucks get around 0.5 and most Cabovers get as high as 0.9  So it makes me think if anyone knows how to reduce aerodynamic drag, it would be Tesla, so they clearly picked a bonnet truck for a reason.  Now, to me, even with the DPF and DEF and all the other emissions gear, the fact that our new trucks that are Euro 5 are chewing damn near double the fuel of our old trucks at a similar weight makes me wonder, is this Euro 5 Emissions stuff actually achieving anything?  Would Manufacturers possibly see better gains from making more aerodynamic bonnet trucks? I get that you might have to knock maybe 2-4 pallet spaces off a trailer to get the overall length to be the same, to remain under dimension limits, however if you're spending half the money on fuel, surely those savings could stack up over 1,000,000kms?  For reference, our Cabovers will chew 1,142,900 litres of fuel, the old truck would chew 615,400 litres, so a saving of 527,500 litres over the life of the truck, or at current Australian prices of $1.19\/l that's around $627,725 AUD per truck, so a fleet of trucks us a massive fuel saving  So looking at a cost of $2.05\/km on average to operate a truck in Australia, and an average 45ft trailer so for 26 pallets that's around $0.07884615\/pallet\/km  So freight of 1,500km as an average would be $118.27\/pallet per trip  So if your average trip is 1,500km then you would get 666 trips out of your truck per million kilometres.  So that's $78,767.82 earned by that truck per pallet space, so removing 2 pallet spaces would lose $157,535.64 over the lifetime of the truck, 4 spaces would lose $315,071.28 so even losing 4 whole pallet spaces to run a bonnet truck to a Cabover would still net you a saving over the life of the truck of around $312,654 if the fuel savings I've observed hold true.  So yeah, it's got me wondering why Euro Emissions aren't calling for more efficient truck shapes, and instead seem to focus on engines and exhaust emissions?  Is there a practical reason why Cabovers are still preferred by European truck Manufacturers and why a lot of the trucks coming out now to Euro emissions standards, even from companies like Kenworth are pushing Cabovers, with the bonnet trucks being more focused on the heavy lifting (Like the T909 being aimed at Road Train work and the Mack Titan being targeted at Heavy Haulage) where economy and emissions aren't as much of a concern?","c_root_id_A":"g79zle9","c_root_id_B":"g7af0cd","created_at_utc_A":1601553572,"created_at_utc_B":1601562879,"score_A":17,"score_B":61,"human_ref_A":"\"If the EU is so focused on Euro emissions standards, why is there not more focus on truck design?\"  Because politicians don't actually care about if they meet their stated goals or not, or even what those stated goals actually are - they only care about how well received their sound bites are by focus groups.   And of course there's the problem that there's not a single politician anywhere in the world who could have understood your initial question, let alone your very well thought out and thorough follow-up.","human_ref_B":"The EU specifies a maximum length for vehicles (12M?), as far as I know cabovers are used because they leave more room for cargo. Nothing to do with emissions standards.   edit: after reading a little more, the commision wants to allow for longer cab length to improve aerodynamics and driver comfort but apparently truck manufacturers are lobbying against this. Anyway from 2022 the regulations will allow for longer cabs.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9307.0,"score_ratio":3.5882352941}
{"post_id":"j364x9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"If the EU is so focused on Euro emissions standards, why is there not more focus on truck design? So this is gonna sound like a bit of guesswork, and it is.  However as a truck driver, I full on believe that I can *feel* the extra resistance when driving a Cabover truck versus a bonneted truck.  Plus from my experience, our Bonnet trucks got better economy over our new Cabovers at work.  The old bonnet trucks did around 650km from 400l of Diesel, these were running Mack Engines designed in the 70's, so an economy of 61.54l\/100km at 55 tonnes  The new trucks are a tad heavier, I've not had one past 60 tonnes, however we get down to 350km from 400l of Diesel, which comes to 114.29l\/100km on some runs.  The new heavy transporter (low loader) can get, on a good day, 200l\/100km and if terrain is bad, even less, but that's in excess of 100 tonnes.  However then you go across to companies that make bonnet trucks, so for example the drag co-efficient of a Tesla Semi is 0.35, most Bonnet trucks get around 0.5 and most Cabovers get as high as 0.9  So it makes me think if anyone knows how to reduce aerodynamic drag, it would be Tesla, so they clearly picked a bonnet truck for a reason.  Now, to me, even with the DPF and DEF and all the other emissions gear, the fact that our new trucks that are Euro 5 are chewing damn near double the fuel of our old trucks at a similar weight makes me wonder, is this Euro 5 Emissions stuff actually achieving anything?  Would Manufacturers possibly see better gains from making more aerodynamic bonnet trucks? I get that you might have to knock maybe 2-4 pallet spaces off a trailer to get the overall length to be the same, to remain under dimension limits, however if you're spending half the money on fuel, surely those savings could stack up over 1,000,000kms?  For reference, our Cabovers will chew 1,142,900 litres of fuel, the old truck would chew 615,400 litres, so a saving of 527,500 litres over the life of the truck, or at current Australian prices of $1.19\/l that's around $627,725 AUD per truck, so a fleet of trucks us a massive fuel saving  So looking at a cost of $2.05\/km on average to operate a truck in Australia, and an average 45ft trailer so for 26 pallets that's around $0.07884615\/pallet\/km  So freight of 1,500km as an average would be $118.27\/pallet per trip  So if your average trip is 1,500km then you would get 666 trips out of your truck per million kilometres.  So that's $78,767.82 earned by that truck per pallet space, so removing 2 pallet spaces would lose $157,535.64 over the lifetime of the truck, 4 spaces would lose $315,071.28 so even losing 4 whole pallet spaces to run a bonnet truck to a Cabover would still net you a saving over the life of the truck of around $312,654 if the fuel savings I've observed hold true.  So yeah, it's got me wondering why Euro Emissions aren't calling for more efficient truck shapes, and instead seem to focus on engines and exhaust emissions?  Is there a practical reason why Cabovers are still preferred by European truck Manufacturers and why a lot of the trucks coming out now to Euro emissions standards, even from companies like Kenworth are pushing Cabovers, with the bonnet trucks being more focused on the heavy lifting (Like the T909 being aimed at Road Train work and the Mack Titan being targeted at Heavy Haulage) where economy and emissions aren't as much of a concern?","c_root_id_A":"g7af0cd","c_root_id_B":"g7ae6xh","created_at_utc_A":1601562879,"created_at_utc_B":1601562509,"score_A":61,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"The EU specifies a maximum length for vehicles (12M?), as far as I know cabovers are used because they leave more room for cargo. Nothing to do with emissions standards.   edit: after reading a little more, the commision wants to allow for longer cab length to improve aerodynamics and driver comfort but apparently truck manufacturers are lobbying against this. Anyway from 2022 the regulations will allow for longer cabs.","human_ref_B":"I don't have an answer to your question, but it's very interesting to me as an American.   Cabover tractors are basically non existent in the US. The only ones I ever see are old models from the 80s. Even straight box vans are bonnet trucks (as you call them) except for the very small ones (Iveco & similar).   Knowing a few people in trucking, I believe you would find it very difficult to get an American trucker to drive a cabover truck. They would refuse for the very reason you state.   Perhaps cabovers are prevalent in Europe due to the older, smaller roads? A cabover can have a shorter wheelbase than a traditional (US term) for a given cargo capacity. I have no idea why this would carry over to Australia, since I would expect you guys are a lot closer to the US in terms of street size.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":370.0,"score_ratio":6.7777777778}
{"post_id":"j364x9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"If the EU is so focused on Euro emissions standards, why is there not more focus on truck design? So this is gonna sound like a bit of guesswork, and it is.  However as a truck driver, I full on believe that I can *feel* the extra resistance when driving a Cabover truck versus a bonneted truck.  Plus from my experience, our Bonnet trucks got better economy over our new Cabovers at work.  The old bonnet trucks did around 650km from 400l of Diesel, these were running Mack Engines designed in the 70's, so an economy of 61.54l\/100km at 55 tonnes  The new trucks are a tad heavier, I've not had one past 60 tonnes, however we get down to 350km from 400l of Diesel, which comes to 114.29l\/100km on some runs.  The new heavy transporter (low loader) can get, on a good day, 200l\/100km and if terrain is bad, even less, but that's in excess of 100 tonnes.  However then you go across to companies that make bonnet trucks, so for example the drag co-efficient of a Tesla Semi is 0.35, most Bonnet trucks get around 0.5 and most Cabovers get as high as 0.9  So it makes me think if anyone knows how to reduce aerodynamic drag, it would be Tesla, so they clearly picked a bonnet truck for a reason.  Now, to me, even with the DPF and DEF and all the other emissions gear, the fact that our new trucks that are Euro 5 are chewing damn near double the fuel of our old trucks at a similar weight makes me wonder, is this Euro 5 Emissions stuff actually achieving anything?  Would Manufacturers possibly see better gains from making more aerodynamic bonnet trucks? I get that you might have to knock maybe 2-4 pallet spaces off a trailer to get the overall length to be the same, to remain under dimension limits, however if you're spending half the money on fuel, surely those savings could stack up over 1,000,000kms?  For reference, our Cabovers will chew 1,142,900 litres of fuel, the old truck would chew 615,400 litres, so a saving of 527,500 litres over the life of the truck, or at current Australian prices of $1.19\/l that's around $627,725 AUD per truck, so a fleet of trucks us a massive fuel saving  So looking at a cost of $2.05\/km on average to operate a truck in Australia, and an average 45ft trailer so for 26 pallets that's around $0.07884615\/pallet\/km  So freight of 1,500km as an average would be $118.27\/pallet per trip  So if your average trip is 1,500km then you would get 666 trips out of your truck per million kilometres.  So that's $78,767.82 earned by that truck per pallet space, so removing 2 pallet spaces would lose $157,535.64 over the lifetime of the truck, 4 spaces would lose $315,071.28 so even losing 4 whole pallet spaces to run a bonnet truck to a Cabover would still net you a saving over the life of the truck of around $312,654 if the fuel savings I've observed hold true.  So yeah, it's got me wondering why Euro Emissions aren't calling for more efficient truck shapes, and instead seem to focus on engines and exhaust emissions?  Is there a practical reason why Cabovers are still preferred by European truck Manufacturers and why a lot of the trucks coming out now to Euro emissions standards, even from companies like Kenworth are pushing Cabovers, with the bonnet trucks being more focused on the heavy lifting (Like the T909 being aimed at Road Train work and the Mack Titan being targeted at Heavy Haulage) where economy and emissions aren't as much of a concern?","c_root_id_A":"g7a27jf","c_root_id_B":"g7af0cd","created_at_utc_A":1601555476,"created_at_utc_B":1601562879,"score_A":5,"score_B":61,"human_ref_A":"Do you have actual data to back up your math?","human_ref_B":"The EU specifies a maximum length for vehicles (12M?), as far as I know cabovers are used because they leave more room for cargo. Nothing to do with emissions standards.   edit: after reading a little more, the commision wants to allow for longer cab length to improve aerodynamics and driver comfort but apparently truck manufacturers are lobbying against this. Anyway from 2022 the regulations will allow for longer cabs.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7403.0,"score_ratio":12.2}
{"post_id":"j364x9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"If the EU is so focused on Euro emissions standards, why is there not more focus on truck design? So this is gonna sound like a bit of guesswork, and it is.  However as a truck driver, I full on believe that I can *feel* the extra resistance when driving a Cabover truck versus a bonneted truck.  Plus from my experience, our Bonnet trucks got better economy over our new Cabovers at work.  The old bonnet trucks did around 650km from 400l of Diesel, these were running Mack Engines designed in the 70's, so an economy of 61.54l\/100km at 55 tonnes  The new trucks are a tad heavier, I've not had one past 60 tonnes, however we get down to 350km from 400l of Diesel, which comes to 114.29l\/100km on some runs.  The new heavy transporter (low loader) can get, on a good day, 200l\/100km and if terrain is bad, even less, but that's in excess of 100 tonnes.  However then you go across to companies that make bonnet trucks, so for example the drag co-efficient of a Tesla Semi is 0.35, most Bonnet trucks get around 0.5 and most Cabovers get as high as 0.9  So it makes me think if anyone knows how to reduce aerodynamic drag, it would be Tesla, so they clearly picked a bonnet truck for a reason.  Now, to me, even with the DPF and DEF and all the other emissions gear, the fact that our new trucks that are Euro 5 are chewing damn near double the fuel of our old trucks at a similar weight makes me wonder, is this Euro 5 Emissions stuff actually achieving anything?  Would Manufacturers possibly see better gains from making more aerodynamic bonnet trucks? I get that you might have to knock maybe 2-4 pallet spaces off a trailer to get the overall length to be the same, to remain under dimension limits, however if you're spending half the money on fuel, surely those savings could stack up over 1,000,000kms?  For reference, our Cabovers will chew 1,142,900 litres of fuel, the old truck would chew 615,400 litres, so a saving of 527,500 litres over the life of the truck, or at current Australian prices of $1.19\/l that's around $627,725 AUD per truck, so a fleet of trucks us a massive fuel saving  So looking at a cost of $2.05\/km on average to operate a truck in Australia, and an average 45ft trailer so for 26 pallets that's around $0.07884615\/pallet\/km  So freight of 1,500km as an average would be $118.27\/pallet per trip  So if your average trip is 1,500km then you would get 666 trips out of your truck per million kilometres.  So that's $78,767.82 earned by that truck per pallet space, so removing 2 pallet spaces would lose $157,535.64 over the lifetime of the truck, 4 spaces would lose $315,071.28 so even losing 4 whole pallet spaces to run a bonnet truck to a Cabover would still net you a saving over the life of the truck of around $312,654 if the fuel savings I've observed hold true.  So yeah, it's got me wondering why Euro Emissions aren't calling for more efficient truck shapes, and instead seem to focus on engines and exhaust emissions?  Is there a practical reason why Cabovers are still preferred by European truck Manufacturers and why a lot of the trucks coming out now to Euro emissions standards, even from companies like Kenworth are pushing Cabovers, with the bonnet trucks being more focused on the heavy lifting (Like the T909 being aimed at Road Train work and the Mack Titan being targeted at Heavy Haulage) where economy and emissions aren't as much of a concern?","c_root_id_A":"g7a27jf","c_root_id_B":"g7adg71","created_at_utc_A":1601555476,"created_at_utc_B":1601562182,"score_A":5,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"Do you have actual data to back up your math?","human_ref_B":"You may be burning more fuel to go the same distance but the amount of harmful emissions in your exhaust will be less with a properly working system. You could burnt twice as much fuel to go the same distance but still only emit half the harmful emissions. It would be less efficient cost wise but not necessarily worse as far as emissions goes. Engine and exhaust system design have a larger impact on emissions because it is not typically measured as the amount of harmful emissions your vehicle produces but the rate at which your vehicle produces. The amount would change over the same distance if you drove significantly faster or had a lighter load. The rate let\u2019s you know your emissions contribution per liter of fuel used regardless of engine speed, which gives a more universal metric to compare across different applications. I hope that makes sense.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6706.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"j364x9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"If the EU is so focused on Euro emissions standards, why is there not more focus on truck design? So this is gonna sound like a bit of guesswork, and it is.  However as a truck driver, I full on believe that I can *feel* the extra resistance when driving a Cabover truck versus a bonneted truck.  Plus from my experience, our Bonnet trucks got better economy over our new Cabovers at work.  The old bonnet trucks did around 650km from 400l of Diesel, these were running Mack Engines designed in the 70's, so an economy of 61.54l\/100km at 55 tonnes  The new trucks are a tad heavier, I've not had one past 60 tonnes, however we get down to 350km from 400l of Diesel, which comes to 114.29l\/100km on some runs.  The new heavy transporter (low loader) can get, on a good day, 200l\/100km and if terrain is bad, even less, but that's in excess of 100 tonnes.  However then you go across to companies that make bonnet trucks, so for example the drag co-efficient of a Tesla Semi is 0.35, most Bonnet trucks get around 0.5 and most Cabovers get as high as 0.9  So it makes me think if anyone knows how to reduce aerodynamic drag, it would be Tesla, so they clearly picked a bonnet truck for a reason.  Now, to me, even with the DPF and DEF and all the other emissions gear, the fact that our new trucks that are Euro 5 are chewing damn near double the fuel of our old trucks at a similar weight makes me wonder, is this Euro 5 Emissions stuff actually achieving anything?  Would Manufacturers possibly see better gains from making more aerodynamic bonnet trucks? I get that you might have to knock maybe 2-4 pallet spaces off a trailer to get the overall length to be the same, to remain under dimension limits, however if you're spending half the money on fuel, surely those savings could stack up over 1,000,000kms?  For reference, our Cabovers will chew 1,142,900 litres of fuel, the old truck would chew 615,400 litres, so a saving of 527,500 litres over the life of the truck, or at current Australian prices of $1.19\/l that's around $627,725 AUD per truck, so a fleet of trucks us a massive fuel saving  So looking at a cost of $2.05\/km on average to operate a truck in Australia, and an average 45ft trailer so for 26 pallets that's around $0.07884615\/pallet\/km  So freight of 1,500km as an average would be $118.27\/pallet per trip  So if your average trip is 1,500km then you would get 666 trips out of your truck per million kilometres.  So that's $78,767.82 earned by that truck per pallet space, so removing 2 pallet spaces would lose $157,535.64 over the lifetime of the truck, 4 spaces would lose $315,071.28 so even losing 4 whole pallet spaces to run a bonnet truck to a Cabover would still net you a saving over the life of the truck of around $312,654 if the fuel savings I've observed hold true.  So yeah, it's got me wondering why Euro Emissions aren't calling for more efficient truck shapes, and instead seem to focus on engines and exhaust emissions?  Is there a practical reason why Cabovers are still preferred by European truck Manufacturers and why a lot of the trucks coming out now to Euro emissions standards, even from companies like Kenworth are pushing Cabovers, with the bonnet trucks being more focused on the heavy lifting (Like the T909 being aimed at Road Train work and the Mack Titan being targeted at Heavy Haulage) where economy and emissions aren't as much of a concern?","c_root_id_A":"g7ar3q5","c_root_id_B":"g7ae6xh","created_at_utc_A":1601568140,"created_at_utc_B":1601562509,"score_A":15,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"My Diploma thesis was about the driving dynamics of \"Gigaliners\" and I had my share of discussions about this.  drivers mostly prefer Bonnet trucks - but they do not really fit European roads. The Length limit was mentioned already - this limit is motivated by politics (to help train transport) and by the roads, which are much narrower in terms of corners and cities. Additionally to the 12m limit, the BO-Kraft-Circle is defining limits for trucks, thats a circular track with an outer radius of 12,5m and an inner radius of 5,3m. The complete truck has to do a complete 360\u00b0 circle withou crossing one of the diameters.  the new Bonnet trucks the EU is considering are not comparable to the US ones, the \"bonnet\" would be very short, main target is to improve visibility for the drivers, not so much aerodynamics.  This is extremely difficult with longer trucks - and not being able to would limit your truck more or less to the highways as every intersection, curve or crossing is based on this circle.  And in the end load capacity is the most valuable thing, so nobody will accept shorter trailers for the sake of a bonnet.  and in the end, fuel efficiency depens much less on tractor aero than you may think, as an example you gain a big step by shaping the trailer end aerodynamically - but this would cost space of several pallets and limit door size.  A sign is that most of the concepts for optimized aerodynamics use cabovers as well.","human_ref_B":"I don't have an answer to your question, but it's very interesting to me as an American.   Cabover tractors are basically non existent in the US. The only ones I ever see are old models from the 80s. Even straight box vans are bonnet trucks (as you call them) except for the very small ones (Iveco & similar).   Knowing a few people in trucking, I believe you would find it very difficult to get an American trucker to drive a cabover truck. They would refuse for the very reason you state.   Perhaps cabovers are prevalent in Europe due to the older, smaller roads? A cabover can have a shorter wheelbase than a traditional (US term) for a given cargo capacity. I have no idea why this would carry over to Australia, since I would expect you guys are a lot closer to the US in terms of street size.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5631.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"j364x9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"If the EU is so focused on Euro emissions standards, why is there not more focus on truck design? So this is gonna sound like a bit of guesswork, and it is.  However as a truck driver, I full on believe that I can *feel* the extra resistance when driving a Cabover truck versus a bonneted truck.  Plus from my experience, our Bonnet trucks got better economy over our new Cabovers at work.  The old bonnet trucks did around 650km from 400l of Diesel, these were running Mack Engines designed in the 70's, so an economy of 61.54l\/100km at 55 tonnes  The new trucks are a tad heavier, I've not had one past 60 tonnes, however we get down to 350km from 400l of Diesel, which comes to 114.29l\/100km on some runs.  The new heavy transporter (low loader) can get, on a good day, 200l\/100km and if terrain is bad, even less, but that's in excess of 100 tonnes.  However then you go across to companies that make bonnet trucks, so for example the drag co-efficient of a Tesla Semi is 0.35, most Bonnet trucks get around 0.5 and most Cabovers get as high as 0.9  So it makes me think if anyone knows how to reduce aerodynamic drag, it would be Tesla, so they clearly picked a bonnet truck for a reason.  Now, to me, even with the DPF and DEF and all the other emissions gear, the fact that our new trucks that are Euro 5 are chewing damn near double the fuel of our old trucks at a similar weight makes me wonder, is this Euro 5 Emissions stuff actually achieving anything?  Would Manufacturers possibly see better gains from making more aerodynamic bonnet trucks? I get that you might have to knock maybe 2-4 pallet spaces off a trailer to get the overall length to be the same, to remain under dimension limits, however if you're spending half the money on fuel, surely those savings could stack up over 1,000,000kms?  For reference, our Cabovers will chew 1,142,900 litres of fuel, the old truck would chew 615,400 litres, so a saving of 527,500 litres over the life of the truck, or at current Australian prices of $1.19\/l that's around $627,725 AUD per truck, so a fleet of trucks us a massive fuel saving  So looking at a cost of $2.05\/km on average to operate a truck in Australia, and an average 45ft trailer so for 26 pallets that's around $0.07884615\/pallet\/km  So freight of 1,500km as an average would be $118.27\/pallet per trip  So if your average trip is 1,500km then you would get 666 trips out of your truck per million kilometres.  So that's $78,767.82 earned by that truck per pallet space, so removing 2 pallet spaces would lose $157,535.64 over the lifetime of the truck, 4 spaces would lose $315,071.28 so even losing 4 whole pallet spaces to run a bonnet truck to a Cabover would still net you a saving over the life of the truck of around $312,654 if the fuel savings I've observed hold true.  So yeah, it's got me wondering why Euro Emissions aren't calling for more efficient truck shapes, and instead seem to focus on engines and exhaust emissions?  Is there a practical reason why Cabovers are still preferred by European truck Manufacturers and why a lot of the trucks coming out now to Euro emissions standards, even from companies like Kenworth are pushing Cabovers, with the bonnet trucks being more focused on the heavy lifting (Like the T909 being aimed at Road Train work and the Mack Titan being targeted at Heavy Haulage) where economy and emissions aren't as much of a concern?","c_root_id_A":"g7ar3q5","c_root_id_B":"g7akmyn","created_at_utc_A":1601568140,"created_at_utc_B":1601565361,"score_A":15,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"My Diploma thesis was about the driving dynamics of \"Gigaliners\" and I had my share of discussions about this.  drivers mostly prefer Bonnet trucks - but they do not really fit European roads. The Length limit was mentioned already - this limit is motivated by politics (to help train transport) and by the roads, which are much narrower in terms of corners and cities. Additionally to the 12m limit, the BO-Kraft-Circle is defining limits for trucks, thats a circular track with an outer radius of 12,5m and an inner radius of 5,3m. The complete truck has to do a complete 360\u00b0 circle withou crossing one of the diameters.  the new Bonnet trucks the EU is considering are not comparable to the US ones, the \"bonnet\" would be very short, main target is to improve visibility for the drivers, not so much aerodynamics.  This is extremely difficult with longer trucks - and not being able to would limit your truck more or less to the highways as every intersection, curve or crossing is based on this circle.  And in the end load capacity is the most valuable thing, so nobody will accept shorter trailers for the sake of a bonnet.  and in the end, fuel efficiency depens much less on tractor aero than you may think, as an example you gain a big step by shaping the trailer end aerodynamically - but this would cost space of several pallets and limit door size.  A sign is that most of the concepts for optimized aerodynamics use cabovers as well.","human_ref_B":"The reason why cabover designs are used in the EU and not in the US is that the length restriction in the EU is defined as the complete length of the truck and in the US only the length of the trailer is restricted:  >US legislation restricts only the length of the trailer and not of the whole tractor semi-trailer combination, as in Europe. Therefore, the design of the tractor is very free, typically with a long nose containing the engine and a sleeping cabin behind the driver cabin. In principle, the tractor height could be much lower than in European trucks. Here, the driver cabin is very short, to maximize the load volume of the trailer. Also, the tractor needs to be higher because of the engine is usually under the cabin, and in some cases, there is a sleeping cabin above the cabin.  From this paper on the improvement in aerodynamics in European truck design.  They also mention, that the cabover design gives fewer opportunities for aerodynamics in this space.   That being said, a drag coeficient between 0.5-0.6 is easily achivable with a cabover design and some aerodynamic improvements, which are commonly used for modern European trucks.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2779.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"j364x9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"If the EU is so focused on Euro emissions standards, why is there not more focus on truck design? So this is gonna sound like a bit of guesswork, and it is.  However as a truck driver, I full on believe that I can *feel* the extra resistance when driving a Cabover truck versus a bonneted truck.  Plus from my experience, our Bonnet trucks got better economy over our new Cabovers at work.  The old bonnet trucks did around 650km from 400l of Diesel, these were running Mack Engines designed in the 70's, so an economy of 61.54l\/100km at 55 tonnes  The new trucks are a tad heavier, I've not had one past 60 tonnes, however we get down to 350km from 400l of Diesel, which comes to 114.29l\/100km on some runs.  The new heavy transporter (low loader) can get, on a good day, 200l\/100km and if terrain is bad, even less, but that's in excess of 100 tonnes.  However then you go across to companies that make bonnet trucks, so for example the drag co-efficient of a Tesla Semi is 0.35, most Bonnet trucks get around 0.5 and most Cabovers get as high as 0.9  So it makes me think if anyone knows how to reduce aerodynamic drag, it would be Tesla, so they clearly picked a bonnet truck for a reason.  Now, to me, even with the DPF and DEF and all the other emissions gear, the fact that our new trucks that are Euro 5 are chewing damn near double the fuel of our old trucks at a similar weight makes me wonder, is this Euro 5 Emissions stuff actually achieving anything?  Would Manufacturers possibly see better gains from making more aerodynamic bonnet trucks? I get that you might have to knock maybe 2-4 pallet spaces off a trailer to get the overall length to be the same, to remain under dimension limits, however if you're spending half the money on fuel, surely those savings could stack up over 1,000,000kms?  For reference, our Cabovers will chew 1,142,900 litres of fuel, the old truck would chew 615,400 litres, so a saving of 527,500 litres over the life of the truck, or at current Australian prices of $1.19\/l that's around $627,725 AUD per truck, so a fleet of trucks us a massive fuel saving  So looking at a cost of $2.05\/km on average to operate a truck in Australia, and an average 45ft trailer so for 26 pallets that's around $0.07884615\/pallet\/km  So freight of 1,500km as an average would be $118.27\/pallet per trip  So if your average trip is 1,500km then you would get 666 trips out of your truck per million kilometres.  So that's $78,767.82 earned by that truck per pallet space, so removing 2 pallet spaces would lose $157,535.64 over the lifetime of the truck, 4 spaces would lose $315,071.28 so even losing 4 whole pallet spaces to run a bonnet truck to a Cabover would still net you a saving over the life of the truck of around $312,654 if the fuel savings I've observed hold true.  So yeah, it's got me wondering why Euro Emissions aren't calling for more efficient truck shapes, and instead seem to focus on engines and exhaust emissions?  Is there a practical reason why Cabovers are still preferred by European truck Manufacturers and why a lot of the trucks coming out now to Euro emissions standards, even from companies like Kenworth are pushing Cabovers, with the bonnet trucks being more focused on the heavy lifting (Like the T909 being aimed at Road Train work and the Mack Titan being targeted at Heavy Haulage) where economy and emissions aren't as much of a concern?","c_root_id_A":"g7a27jf","c_root_id_B":"g7ar3q5","created_at_utc_A":1601555476,"created_at_utc_B":1601568140,"score_A":5,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"Do you have actual data to back up your math?","human_ref_B":"My Diploma thesis was about the driving dynamics of \"Gigaliners\" and I had my share of discussions about this.  drivers mostly prefer Bonnet trucks - but they do not really fit European roads. The Length limit was mentioned already - this limit is motivated by politics (to help train transport) and by the roads, which are much narrower in terms of corners and cities. Additionally to the 12m limit, the BO-Kraft-Circle is defining limits for trucks, thats a circular track with an outer radius of 12,5m and an inner radius of 5,3m. The complete truck has to do a complete 360\u00b0 circle withou crossing one of the diameters.  the new Bonnet trucks the EU is considering are not comparable to the US ones, the \"bonnet\" would be very short, main target is to improve visibility for the drivers, not so much aerodynamics.  This is extremely difficult with longer trucks - and not being able to would limit your truck more or less to the highways as every intersection, curve or crossing is based on this circle.  And in the end load capacity is the most valuable thing, so nobody will accept shorter trailers for the sake of a bonnet.  and in the end, fuel efficiency depens much less on tractor aero than you may think, as an example you gain a big step by shaping the trailer end aerodynamically - but this would cost space of several pallets and limit door size.  A sign is that most of the concepts for optimized aerodynamics use cabovers as well.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":12664.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"j364x9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"If the EU is so focused on Euro emissions standards, why is there not more focus on truck design? So this is gonna sound like a bit of guesswork, and it is.  However as a truck driver, I full on believe that I can *feel* the extra resistance when driving a Cabover truck versus a bonneted truck.  Plus from my experience, our Bonnet trucks got better economy over our new Cabovers at work.  The old bonnet trucks did around 650km from 400l of Diesel, these were running Mack Engines designed in the 70's, so an economy of 61.54l\/100km at 55 tonnes  The new trucks are a tad heavier, I've not had one past 60 tonnes, however we get down to 350km from 400l of Diesel, which comes to 114.29l\/100km on some runs.  The new heavy transporter (low loader) can get, on a good day, 200l\/100km and if terrain is bad, even less, but that's in excess of 100 tonnes.  However then you go across to companies that make bonnet trucks, so for example the drag co-efficient of a Tesla Semi is 0.35, most Bonnet trucks get around 0.5 and most Cabovers get as high as 0.9  So it makes me think if anyone knows how to reduce aerodynamic drag, it would be Tesla, so they clearly picked a bonnet truck for a reason.  Now, to me, even with the DPF and DEF and all the other emissions gear, the fact that our new trucks that are Euro 5 are chewing damn near double the fuel of our old trucks at a similar weight makes me wonder, is this Euro 5 Emissions stuff actually achieving anything?  Would Manufacturers possibly see better gains from making more aerodynamic bonnet trucks? I get that you might have to knock maybe 2-4 pallet spaces off a trailer to get the overall length to be the same, to remain under dimension limits, however if you're spending half the money on fuel, surely those savings could stack up over 1,000,000kms?  For reference, our Cabovers will chew 1,142,900 litres of fuel, the old truck would chew 615,400 litres, so a saving of 527,500 litres over the life of the truck, or at current Australian prices of $1.19\/l that's around $627,725 AUD per truck, so a fleet of trucks us a massive fuel saving  So looking at a cost of $2.05\/km on average to operate a truck in Australia, and an average 45ft trailer so for 26 pallets that's around $0.07884615\/pallet\/km  So freight of 1,500km as an average would be $118.27\/pallet per trip  So if your average trip is 1,500km then you would get 666 trips out of your truck per million kilometres.  So that's $78,767.82 earned by that truck per pallet space, so removing 2 pallet spaces would lose $157,535.64 over the lifetime of the truck, 4 spaces would lose $315,071.28 so even losing 4 whole pallet spaces to run a bonnet truck to a Cabover would still net you a saving over the life of the truck of around $312,654 if the fuel savings I've observed hold true.  So yeah, it's got me wondering why Euro Emissions aren't calling for more efficient truck shapes, and instead seem to focus on engines and exhaust emissions?  Is there a practical reason why Cabovers are still preferred by European truck Manufacturers and why a lot of the trucks coming out now to Euro emissions standards, even from companies like Kenworth are pushing Cabovers, with the bonnet trucks being more focused on the heavy lifting (Like the T909 being aimed at Road Train work and the Mack Titan being targeted at Heavy Haulage) where economy and emissions aren't as much of a concern?","c_root_id_A":"g7aofdw","c_root_id_B":"g7ar3q5","created_at_utc_A":1601567002,"created_at_utc_B":1601568140,"score_A":4,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"The things I've heard cited are rules and regulations as well as practical issues with lengths (narrow roads, ferries ect). If your truck can only be X long then a cabover makes sense because you get more capacity per truck.","human_ref_B":"My Diploma thesis was about the driving dynamics of \"Gigaliners\" and I had my share of discussions about this.  drivers mostly prefer Bonnet trucks - but they do not really fit European roads. The Length limit was mentioned already - this limit is motivated by politics (to help train transport) and by the roads, which are much narrower in terms of corners and cities. Additionally to the 12m limit, the BO-Kraft-Circle is defining limits for trucks, thats a circular track with an outer radius of 12,5m and an inner radius of 5,3m. The complete truck has to do a complete 360\u00b0 circle withou crossing one of the diameters.  the new Bonnet trucks the EU is considering are not comparable to the US ones, the \"bonnet\" would be very short, main target is to improve visibility for the drivers, not so much aerodynamics.  This is extremely difficult with longer trucks - and not being able to would limit your truck more or less to the highways as every intersection, curve or crossing is based on this circle.  And in the end load capacity is the most valuable thing, so nobody will accept shorter trailers for the sake of a bonnet.  and in the end, fuel efficiency depens much less on tractor aero than you may think, as an example you gain a big step by shaping the trailer end aerodynamically - but this would cost space of several pallets and limit door size.  A sign is that most of the concepts for optimized aerodynamics use cabovers as well.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1138.0,"score_ratio":3.75}
{"post_id":"j364x9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"If the EU is so focused on Euro emissions standards, why is there not more focus on truck design? So this is gonna sound like a bit of guesswork, and it is.  However as a truck driver, I full on believe that I can *feel* the extra resistance when driving a Cabover truck versus a bonneted truck.  Plus from my experience, our Bonnet trucks got better economy over our new Cabovers at work.  The old bonnet trucks did around 650km from 400l of Diesel, these were running Mack Engines designed in the 70's, so an economy of 61.54l\/100km at 55 tonnes  The new trucks are a tad heavier, I've not had one past 60 tonnes, however we get down to 350km from 400l of Diesel, which comes to 114.29l\/100km on some runs.  The new heavy transporter (low loader) can get, on a good day, 200l\/100km and if terrain is bad, even less, but that's in excess of 100 tonnes.  However then you go across to companies that make bonnet trucks, so for example the drag co-efficient of a Tesla Semi is 0.35, most Bonnet trucks get around 0.5 and most Cabovers get as high as 0.9  So it makes me think if anyone knows how to reduce aerodynamic drag, it would be Tesla, so they clearly picked a bonnet truck for a reason.  Now, to me, even with the DPF and DEF and all the other emissions gear, the fact that our new trucks that are Euro 5 are chewing damn near double the fuel of our old trucks at a similar weight makes me wonder, is this Euro 5 Emissions stuff actually achieving anything?  Would Manufacturers possibly see better gains from making more aerodynamic bonnet trucks? I get that you might have to knock maybe 2-4 pallet spaces off a trailer to get the overall length to be the same, to remain under dimension limits, however if you're spending half the money on fuel, surely those savings could stack up over 1,000,000kms?  For reference, our Cabovers will chew 1,142,900 litres of fuel, the old truck would chew 615,400 litres, so a saving of 527,500 litres over the life of the truck, or at current Australian prices of $1.19\/l that's around $627,725 AUD per truck, so a fleet of trucks us a massive fuel saving  So looking at a cost of $2.05\/km on average to operate a truck in Australia, and an average 45ft trailer so for 26 pallets that's around $0.07884615\/pallet\/km  So freight of 1,500km as an average would be $118.27\/pallet per trip  So if your average trip is 1,500km then you would get 666 trips out of your truck per million kilometres.  So that's $78,767.82 earned by that truck per pallet space, so removing 2 pallet spaces would lose $157,535.64 over the lifetime of the truck, 4 spaces would lose $315,071.28 so even losing 4 whole pallet spaces to run a bonnet truck to a Cabover would still net you a saving over the life of the truck of around $312,654 if the fuel savings I've observed hold true.  So yeah, it's got me wondering why Euro Emissions aren't calling for more efficient truck shapes, and instead seem to focus on engines and exhaust emissions?  Is there a practical reason why Cabovers are still preferred by European truck Manufacturers and why a lot of the trucks coming out now to Euro emissions standards, even from companies like Kenworth are pushing Cabovers, with the bonnet trucks being more focused on the heavy lifting (Like the T909 being aimed at Road Train work and the Mack Titan being targeted at Heavy Haulage) where economy and emissions aren't as much of a concern?","c_root_id_A":"g7ae6xh","c_root_id_B":"g7a27jf","created_at_utc_A":1601562509,"created_at_utc_B":1601555476,"score_A":9,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"I don't have an answer to your question, but it's very interesting to me as an American.   Cabover tractors are basically non existent in the US. The only ones I ever see are old models from the 80s. Even straight box vans are bonnet trucks (as you call them) except for the very small ones (Iveco & similar).   Knowing a few people in trucking, I believe you would find it very difficult to get an American trucker to drive a cabover truck. They would refuse for the very reason you state.   Perhaps cabovers are prevalent in Europe due to the older, smaller roads? A cabover can have a shorter wheelbase than a traditional (US term) for a given cargo capacity. I have no idea why this would carry over to Australia, since I would expect you guys are a lot closer to the US in terms of street size.","human_ref_B":"Do you have actual data to back up your math?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7033.0,"score_ratio":1.8}
{"post_id":"j364x9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"If the EU is so focused on Euro emissions standards, why is there not more focus on truck design? So this is gonna sound like a bit of guesswork, and it is.  However as a truck driver, I full on believe that I can *feel* the extra resistance when driving a Cabover truck versus a bonneted truck.  Plus from my experience, our Bonnet trucks got better economy over our new Cabovers at work.  The old bonnet trucks did around 650km from 400l of Diesel, these were running Mack Engines designed in the 70's, so an economy of 61.54l\/100km at 55 tonnes  The new trucks are a tad heavier, I've not had one past 60 tonnes, however we get down to 350km from 400l of Diesel, which comes to 114.29l\/100km on some runs.  The new heavy transporter (low loader) can get, on a good day, 200l\/100km and if terrain is bad, even less, but that's in excess of 100 tonnes.  However then you go across to companies that make bonnet trucks, so for example the drag co-efficient of a Tesla Semi is 0.35, most Bonnet trucks get around 0.5 and most Cabovers get as high as 0.9  So it makes me think if anyone knows how to reduce aerodynamic drag, it would be Tesla, so they clearly picked a bonnet truck for a reason.  Now, to me, even with the DPF and DEF and all the other emissions gear, the fact that our new trucks that are Euro 5 are chewing damn near double the fuel of our old trucks at a similar weight makes me wonder, is this Euro 5 Emissions stuff actually achieving anything?  Would Manufacturers possibly see better gains from making more aerodynamic bonnet trucks? I get that you might have to knock maybe 2-4 pallet spaces off a trailer to get the overall length to be the same, to remain under dimension limits, however if you're spending half the money on fuel, surely those savings could stack up over 1,000,000kms?  For reference, our Cabovers will chew 1,142,900 litres of fuel, the old truck would chew 615,400 litres, so a saving of 527,500 litres over the life of the truck, or at current Australian prices of $1.19\/l that's around $627,725 AUD per truck, so a fleet of trucks us a massive fuel saving  So looking at a cost of $2.05\/km on average to operate a truck in Australia, and an average 45ft trailer so for 26 pallets that's around $0.07884615\/pallet\/km  So freight of 1,500km as an average would be $118.27\/pallet per trip  So if your average trip is 1,500km then you would get 666 trips out of your truck per million kilometres.  So that's $78,767.82 earned by that truck per pallet space, so removing 2 pallet spaces would lose $157,535.64 over the lifetime of the truck, 4 spaces would lose $315,071.28 so even losing 4 whole pallet spaces to run a bonnet truck to a Cabover would still net you a saving over the life of the truck of around $312,654 if the fuel savings I've observed hold true.  So yeah, it's got me wondering why Euro Emissions aren't calling for more efficient truck shapes, and instead seem to focus on engines and exhaust emissions?  Is there a practical reason why Cabovers are still preferred by European truck Manufacturers and why a lot of the trucks coming out now to Euro emissions standards, even from companies like Kenworth are pushing Cabovers, with the bonnet trucks being more focused on the heavy lifting (Like the T909 being aimed at Road Train work and the Mack Titan being targeted at Heavy Haulage) where economy and emissions aren't as much of a concern?","c_root_id_A":"g7akmyn","c_root_id_B":"g7arg80","created_at_utc_A":1601565361,"created_at_utc_B":1601568294,"score_A":6,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"The reason why cabover designs are used in the EU and not in the US is that the length restriction in the EU is defined as the complete length of the truck and in the US only the length of the trailer is restricted:  >US legislation restricts only the length of the trailer and not of the whole tractor semi-trailer combination, as in Europe. Therefore, the design of the tractor is very free, typically with a long nose containing the engine and a sleeping cabin behind the driver cabin. In principle, the tractor height could be much lower than in European trucks. Here, the driver cabin is very short, to maximize the load volume of the trailer. Also, the tractor needs to be higher because of the engine is usually under the cabin, and in some cases, there is a sleeping cabin above the cabin.  From this paper on the improvement in aerodynamics in European truck design.  They also mention, that the cabover design gives fewer opportunities for aerodynamics in this space.   That being said, a drag coeficient between 0.5-0.6 is easily achivable with a cabover design and some aerodynamic improvements, which are commonly used for modern European trucks.","human_ref_B":"You also have to consider that Europe is a lot more densely populated than the US or Australia, and that many cities are much older. This results in trucks often having to navigate congested, tight, low-speed city streets. That enormously favors cargo density over aerodynamics.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2933.0,"score_ratio":1.1666666667}
{"post_id":"j364x9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"If the EU is so focused on Euro emissions standards, why is there not more focus on truck design? So this is gonna sound like a bit of guesswork, and it is.  However as a truck driver, I full on believe that I can *feel* the extra resistance when driving a Cabover truck versus a bonneted truck.  Plus from my experience, our Bonnet trucks got better economy over our new Cabovers at work.  The old bonnet trucks did around 650km from 400l of Diesel, these were running Mack Engines designed in the 70's, so an economy of 61.54l\/100km at 55 tonnes  The new trucks are a tad heavier, I've not had one past 60 tonnes, however we get down to 350km from 400l of Diesel, which comes to 114.29l\/100km on some runs.  The new heavy transporter (low loader) can get, on a good day, 200l\/100km and if terrain is bad, even less, but that's in excess of 100 tonnes.  However then you go across to companies that make bonnet trucks, so for example the drag co-efficient of a Tesla Semi is 0.35, most Bonnet trucks get around 0.5 and most Cabovers get as high as 0.9  So it makes me think if anyone knows how to reduce aerodynamic drag, it would be Tesla, so they clearly picked a bonnet truck for a reason.  Now, to me, even with the DPF and DEF and all the other emissions gear, the fact that our new trucks that are Euro 5 are chewing damn near double the fuel of our old trucks at a similar weight makes me wonder, is this Euro 5 Emissions stuff actually achieving anything?  Would Manufacturers possibly see better gains from making more aerodynamic bonnet trucks? I get that you might have to knock maybe 2-4 pallet spaces off a trailer to get the overall length to be the same, to remain under dimension limits, however if you're spending half the money on fuel, surely those savings could stack up over 1,000,000kms?  For reference, our Cabovers will chew 1,142,900 litres of fuel, the old truck would chew 615,400 litres, so a saving of 527,500 litres over the life of the truck, or at current Australian prices of $1.19\/l that's around $627,725 AUD per truck, so a fleet of trucks us a massive fuel saving  So looking at a cost of $2.05\/km on average to operate a truck in Australia, and an average 45ft trailer so for 26 pallets that's around $0.07884615\/pallet\/km  So freight of 1,500km as an average would be $118.27\/pallet per trip  So if your average trip is 1,500km then you would get 666 trips out of your truck per million kilometres.  So that's $78,767.82 earned by that truck per pallet space, so removing 2 pallet spaces would lose $157,535.64 over the lifetime of the truck, 4 spaces would lose $315,071.28 so even losing 4 whole pallet spaces to run a bonnet truck to a Cabover would still net you a saving over the life of the truck of around $312,654 if the fuel savings I've observed hold true.  So yeah, it's got me wondering why Euro Emissions aren't calling for more efficient truck shapes, and instead seem to focus on engines and exhaust emissions?  Is there a practical reason why Cabovers are still preferred by European truck Manufacturers and why a lot of the trucks coming out now to Euro emissions standards, even from companies like Kenworth are pushing Cabovers, with the bonnet trucks being more focused on the heavy lifting (Like the T909 being aimed at Road Train work and the Mack Titan being targeted at Heavy Haulage) where economy and emissions aren't as much of a concern?","c_root_id_A":"g7a27jf","c_root_id_B":"g7akmyn","created_at_utc_A":1601555476,"created_at_utc_B":1601565361,"score_A":5,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Do you have actual data to back up your math?","human_ref_B":"The reason why cabover designs are used in the EU and not in the US is that the length restriction in the EU is defined as the complete length of the truck and in the US only the length of the trailer is restricted:  >US legislation restricts only the length of the trailer and not of the whole tractor semi-trailer combination, as in Europe. Therefore, the design of the tractor is very free, typically with a long nose containing the engine and a sleeping cabin behind the driver cabin. In principle, the tractor height could be much lower than in European trucks. Here, the driver cabin is very short, to maximize the load volume of the trailer. Also, the tractor needs to be higher because of the engine is usually under the cabin, and in some cases, there is a sleeping cabin above the cabin.  From this paper on the improvement in aerodynamics in European truck design.  They also mention, that the cabover design gives fewer opportunities for aerodynamics in this space.   That being said, a drag coeficient between 0.5-0.6 is easily achivable with a cabover design and some aerodynamic improvements, which are commonly used for modern European trucks.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9885.0,"score_ratio":1.2}
{"post_id":"j364x9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"If the EU is so focused on Euro emissions standards, why is there not more focus on truck design? So this is gonna sound like a bit of guesswork, and it is.  However as a truck driver, I full on believe that I can *feel* the extra resistance when driving a Cabover truck versus a bonneted truck.  Plus from my experience, our Bonnet trucks got better economy over our new Cabovers at work.  The old bonnet trucks did around 650km from 400l of Diesel, these were running Mack Engines designed in the 70's, so an economy of 61.54l\/100km at 55 tonnes  The new trucks are a tad heavier, I've not had one past 60 tonnes, however we get down to 350km from 400l of Diesel, which comes to 114.29l\/100km on some runs.  The new heavy transporter (low loader) can get, on a good day, 200l\/100km and if terrain is bad, even less, but that's in excess of 100 tonnes.  However then you go across to companies that make bonnet trucks, so for example the drag co-efficient of a Tesla Semi is 0.35, most Bonnet trucks get around 0.5 and most Cabovers get as high as 0.9  So it makes me think if anyone knows how to reduce aerodynamic drag, it would be Tesla, so they clearly picked a bonnet truck for a reason.  Now, to me, even with the DPF and DEF and all the other emissions gear, the fact that our new trucks that are Euro 5 are chewing damn near double the fuel of our old trucks at a similar weight makes me wonder, is this Euro 5 Emissions stuff actually achieving anything?  Would Manufacturers possibly see better gains from making more aerodynamic bonnet trucks? I get that you might have to knock maybe 2-4 pallet spaces off a trailer to get the overall length to be the same, to remain under dimension limits, however if you're spending half the money on fuel, surely those savings could stack up over 1,000,000kms?  For reference, our Cabovers will chew 1,142,900 litres of fuel, the old truck would chew 615,400 litres, so a saving of 527,500 litres over the life of the truck, or at current Australian prices of $1.19\/l that's around $627,725 AUD per truck, so a fleet of trucks us a massive fuel saving  So looking at a cost of $2.05\/km on average to operate a truck in Australia, and an average 45ft trailer so for 26 pallets that's around $0.07884615\/pallet\/km  So freight of 1,500km as an average would be $118.27\/pallet per trip  So if your average trip is 1,500km then you would get 666 trips out of your truck per million kilometres.  So that's $78,767.82 earned by that truck per pallet space, so removing 2 pallet spaces would lose $157,535.64 over the lifetime of the truck, 4 spaces would lose $315,071.28 so even losing 4 whole pallet spaces to run a bonnet truck to a Cabover would still net you a saving over the life of the truck of around $312,654 if the fuel savings I've observed hold true.  So yeah, it's got me wondering why Euro Emissions aren't calling for more efficient truck shapes, and instead seem to focus on engines and exhaust emissions?  Is there a practical reason why Cabovers are still preferred by European truck Manufacturers and why a lot of the trucks coming out now to Euro emissions standards, even from companies like Kenworth are pushing Cabovers, with the bonnet trucks being more focused on the heavy lifting (Like the T909 being aimed at Road Train work and the Mack Titan being targeted at Heavy Haulage) where economy and emissions aren't as much of a concern?","c_root_id_A":"g7arg80","c_root_id_B":"g7a27jf","created_at_utc_A":1601568294,"created_at_utc_B":1601555476,"score_A":7,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"You also have to consider that Europe is a lot more densely populated than the US or Australia, and that many cities are much older. This results in trucks often having to navigate congested, tight, low-speed city streets. That enormously favors cargo density over aerodynamics.","human_ref_B":"Do you have actual data to back up your math?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":12818.0,"score_ratio":1.4}
{"post_id":"j364x9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"If the EU is so focused on Euro emissions standards, why is there not more focus on truck design? So this is gonna sound like a bit of guesswork, and it is.  However as a truck driver, I full on believe that I can *feel* the extra resistance when driving a Cabover truck versus a bonneted truck.  Plus from my experience, our Bonnet trucks got better economy over our new Cabovers at work.  The old bonnet trucks did around 650km from 400l of Diesel, these were running Mack Engines designed in the 70's, so an economy of 61.54l\/100km at 55 tonnes  The new trucks are a tad heavier, I've not had one past 60 tonnes, however we get down to 350km from 400l of Diesel, which comes to 114.29l\/100km on some runs.  The new heavy transporter (low loader) can get, on a good day, 200l\/100km and if terrain is bad, even less, but that's in excess of 100 tonnes.  However then you go across to companies that make bonnet trucks, so for example the drag co-efficient of a Tesla Semi is 0.35, most Bonnet trucks get around 0.5 and most Cabovers get as high as 0.9  So it makes me think if anyone knows how to reduce aerodynamic drag, it would be Tesla, so they clearly picked a bonnet truck for a reason.  Now, to me, even with the DPF and DEF and all the other emissions gear, the fact that our new trucks that are Euro 5 are chewing damn near double the fuel of our old trucks at a similar weight makes me wonder, is this Euro 5 Emissions stuff actually achieving anything?  Would Manufacturers possibly see better gains from making more aerodynamic bonnet trucks? I get that you might have to knock maybe 2-4 pallet spaces off a trailer to get the overall length to be the same, to remain under dimension limits, however if you're spending half the money on fuel, surely those savings could stack up over 1,000,000kms?  For reference, our Cabovers will chew 1,142,900 litres of fuel, the old truck would chew 615,400 litres, so a saving of 527,500 litres over the life of the truck, or at current Australian prices of $1.19\/l that's around $627,725 AUD per truck, so a fleet of trucks us a massive fuel saving  So looking at a cost of $2.05\/km on average to operate a truck in Australia, and an average 45ft trailer so for 26 pallets that's around $0.07884615\/pallet\/km  So freight of 1,500km as an average would be $118.27\/pallet per trip  So if your average trip is 1,500km then you would get 666 trips out of your truck per million kilometres.  So that's $78,767.82 earned by that truck per pallet space, so removing 2 pallet spaces would lose $157,535.64 over the lifetime of the truck, 4 spaces would lose $315,071.28 so even losing 4 whole pallet spaces to run a bonnet truck to a Cabover would still net you a saving over the life of the truck of around $312,654 if the fuel savings I've observed hold true.  So yeah, it's got me wondering why Euro Emissions aren't calling for more efficient truck shapes, and instead seem to focus on engines and exhaust emissions?  Is there a practical reason why Cabovers are still preferred by European truck Manufacturers and why a lot of the trucks coming out now to Euro emissions standards, even from companies like Kenworth are pushing Cabovers, with the bonnet trucks being more focused on the heavy lifting (Like the T909 being aimed at Road Train work and the Mack Titan being targeted at Heavy Haulage) where economy and emissions aren't as much of a concern?","c_root_id_A":"g7arg80","c_root_id_B":"g7aofdw","created_at_utc_A":1601568294,"created_at_utc_B":1601567002,"score_A":7,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"You also have to consider that Europe is a lot more densely populated than the US or Australia, and that many cities are much older. This results in trucks often having to navigate congested, tight, low-speed city streets. That enormously favors cargo density over aerodynamics.","human_ref_B":"The things I've heard cited are rules and regulations as well as practical issues with lengths (narrow roads, ferries ect). If your truck can only be X long then a cabover makes sense because you get more capacity per truck.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1292.0,"score_ratio":1.75}
{"post_id":"noh3wy","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Why did you choose your field of engineering? And what is it? If you are in school still, do you enjoy studying it?  If you are graduated did you enjoy both studying and the work in that field?","c_root_id_A":"gzzz11d","c_root_id_B":"h0027m3","created_at_utc_A":1622399148,"created_at_utc_B":1622400719,"score_A":10,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"enjoyed studying it, do not enjoy working in it  should have been a software engineer","human_ref_B":"ME. Because I loved hands on physical problem solving and creativity. In HS I took some basic intro to engineering classes were we made rockets, battle cars, basic circuits, cardboard structures, and a few other things. I enjoyed it very much. The coding class I took had a shit teacher and the engineering class teacher was incredible. Had it been the other way around, I might have gone into programing.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1571.0,"score_ratio":1.3}
{"post_id":"noh3wy","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Why did you choose your field of engineering? And what is it? If you are in school still, do you enjoy studying it?  If you are graduated did you enjoy both studying and the work in that field?","c_root_id_A":"h005ijc","c_root_id_B":"h00bms2","created_at_utc_A":1622402370,"created_at_utc_B":1622405466,"score_A":8,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"\"I like the idea of being an engineer but I don't know what I want to focus in.\"  \"Mechanical is the broadest of the engineering disciplines.\"  \"Sounds good, but it looks like I still have to pick a concentration for my major?\"  \"You can concentrate in 'General'.\"  \"I can have my specialty be not having a specialty? Sign me up!\"  Honestly it was a blast in school, and while I do have FOMO from not working on super cool projects now that I'm in industry (I design glorified metal boxes and the little bits that go in them) I wouldn't do anything different if I could do it over.","human_ref_B":"One of the first things my school showed during orientation was median starting salaries, and I saw EE was at the top, so I went that way lol.  It was brutal to study for sure, but I enjoyed most of it in the long run.  I ended up going into power (utilities) which honestly seems like one of the easiest uses of the degree. I enjoy it and I\u2019m really good at it.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3096.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"noh3wy","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Why did you choose your field of engineering? And what is it? If you are in school still, do you enjoy studying it?  If you are graduated did you enjoy both studying and the work in that field?","c_root_id_A":"h00bms2","c_root_id_B":"h005cb6","created_at_utc_A":1622405466,"created_at_utc_B":1622402280,"score_A":10,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"One of the first things my school showed during orientation was median starting salaries, and I saw EE was at the top, so I went that way lol.  It was brutal to study for sure, but I enjoyed most of it in the long run.  I ended up going into power (utilities) which honestly seems like one of the easiest uses of the degree. I enjoy it and I\u2019m really good at it.","human_ref_B":"Honestly, I didn't have a preference going into engineering and I picked what I thought would involve the least amount of math. LPT, chemical engineering has the most amount of math second to electrical engineering. So, oops on my part.   I'm having a great time in my career. I work long hours some weeks, but I get to see a whole bunch of cool processes and help make sites safer. The background in chemical engineering gives me better understanding of how systems work, particularly in my pulp and paper speciality. However, I will say that I do not have a traditional engineering job.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3186.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"noh3wy","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Why did you choose your field of engineering? And what is it? If you are in school still, do you enjoy studying it?  If you are graduated did you enjoy both studying and the work in that field?","c_root_id_A":"h00h7z4","c_root_id_B":"h005ijc","created_at_utc_A":1622408308,"created_at_utc_B":1622402370,"score_A":9,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"I chose Mechanical because: 1. It\u2019s pretty general. There are a lot of job opportunities in niche fields that can open up with a degree in mechanical. 2. I didn\u2019t have an affinity for Chemistry. I feel like Chemistry and Calculus are two core subjects you need good teachers\/professors for, and I never had a good teacher for Chemistry. Mechanical degree at my school of choice only required basic Chem 1? Sounds good. 3. It\u2019s physical and easy to visualize. Electrical engineering is amazing, and I respect anyone pursuing it, but I didn\u2019t like the idea of studying something with [seemingly, I\u2019m sure EEs and ECEs would agree with me, but I was making this decision at 17, so please cut me some slack] so little to visualize. I like mechanical engineering because it\u2019s intuitive. It\u2019s physical. You can hold projects in your hand and explain each piece and why it is the way it is in words and not complex math and imaginary numbers (again, I apologize to my EE and ECE counterparts). 4. The mechanical program at my school of choice was very highly ranked when I was making this decision.  All of the reasons above are valid reasons to like mechanical.   Reasons to dislike mechanical:  -thermodynamics\/heat transfer\/fluid mechanics: all very hard and complex math -if you don\u2019t want to work in HVAC and don\u2019t feel the need to hear about it -if you don\u2019t want to work on cars and don\u2019t feel the need to know the inner workings of a car  Largely, I didn\u2019t enjoy college, but I do enjoy working in the field. I do a lot of design and documentation, which is the side of mechanical I really like. I have two 3D printers that I play with and am generally decent at figuring out how things work.","human_ref_B":"\"I like the idea of being an engineer but I don't know what I want to focus in.\"  \"Mechanical is the broadest of the engineering disciplines.\"  \"Sounds good, but it looks like I still have to pick a concentration for my major?\"  \"You can concentrate in 'General'.\"  \"I can have my specialty be not having a specialty? Sign me up!\"  Honestly it was a blast in school, and while I do have FOMO from not working on super cool projects now that I'm in industry (I design glorified metal boxes and the little bits that go in them) I wouldn't do anything different if I could do it over.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5938.0,"score_ratio":1.125}
{"post_id":"noh3wy","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Why did you choose your field of engineering? And what is it? If you are in school still, do you enjoy studying it?  If you are graduated did you enjoy both studying and the work in that field?","c_root_id_A":"h00e7mj","c_root_id_B":"h00h7z4","created_at_utc_A":1622406772,"created_at_utc_B":1622408308,"score_A":8,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Welding because I was too stupid to be a EE.","human_ref_B":"I chose Mechanical because: 1. It\u2019s pretty general. There are a lot of job opportunities in niche fields that can open up with a degree in mechanical. 2. I didn\u2019t have an affinity for Chemistry. I feel like Chemistry and Calculus are two core subjects you need good teachers\/professors for, and I never had a good teacher for Chemistry. Mechanical degree at my school of choice only required basic Chem 1? Sounds good. 3. It\u2019s physical and easy to visualize. Electrical engineering is amazing, and I respect anyone pursuing it, but I didn\u2019t like the idea of studying something with [seemingly, I\u2019m sure EEs and ECEs would agree with me, but I was making this decision at 17, so please cut me some slack] so little to visualize. I like mechanical engineering because it\u2019s intuitive. It\u2019s physical. You can hold projects in your hand and explain each piece and why it is the way it is in words and not complex math and imaginary numbers (again, I apologize to my EE and ECE counterparts). 4. The mechanical program at my school of choice was very highly ranked when I was making this decision.  All of the reasons above are valid reasons to like mechanical.   Reasons to dislike mechanical:  -thermodynamics\/heat transfer\/fluid mechanics: all very hard and complex math -if you don\u2019t want to work in HVAC and don\u2019t feel the need to hear about it -if you don\u2019t want to work on cars and don\u2019t feel the need to know the inner workings of a car  Largely, I didn\u2019t enjoy college, but I do enjoy working in the field. I do a lot of design and documentation, which is the side of mechanical I really like. I have two 3D printers that I play with and am generally decent at figuring out how things work.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1536.0,"score_ratio":1.125}
{"post_id":"noh3wy","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Why did you choose your field of engineering? And what is it? If you are in school still, do you enjoy studying it?  If you are graduated did you enjoy both studying and the work in that field?","c_root_id_A":"h00h7z4","c_root_id_B":"h005cb6","created_at_utc_A":1622408308,"created_at_utc_B":1622402280,"score_A":9,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I chose Mechanical because: 1. It\u2019s pretty general. There are a lot of job opportunities in niche fields that can open up with a degree in mechanical. 2. I didn\u2019t have an affinity for Chemistry. I feel like Chemistry and Calculus are two core subjects you need good teachers\/professors for, and I never had a good teacher for Chemistry. Mechanical degree at my school of choice only required basic Chem 1? Sounds good. 3. It\u2019s physical and easy to visualize. Electrical engineering is amazing, and I respect anyone pursuing it, but I didn\u2019t like the idea of studying something with [seemingly, I\u2019m sure EEs and ECEs would agree with me, but I was making this decision at 17, so please cut me some slack] so little to visualize. I like mechanical engineering because it\u2019s intuitive. It\u2019s physical. You can hold projects in your hand and explain each piece and why it is the way it is in words and not complex math and imaginary numbers (again, I apologize to my EE and ECE counterparts). 4. The mechanical program at my school of choice was very highly ranked when I was making this decision.  All of the reasons above are valid reasons to like mechanical.   Reasons to dislike mechanical:  -thermodynamics\/heat transfer\/fluid mechanics: all very hard and complex math -if you don\u2019t want to work in HVAC and don\u2019t feel the need to hear about it -if you don\u2019t want to work on cars and don\u2019t feel the need to know the inner workings of a car  Largely, I didn\u2019t enjoy college, but I do enjoy working in the field. I do a lot of design and documentation, which is the side of mechanical I really like. I have two 3D printers that I play with and am generally decent at figuring out how things work.","human_ref_B":"Honestly, I didn't have a preference going into engineering and I picked what I thought would involve the least amount of math. LPT, chemical engineering has the most amount of math second to electrical engineering. So, oops on my part.   I'm having a great time in my career. I work long hours some weeks, but I get to see a whole bunch of cool processes and help make sites safer. The background in chemical engineering gives me better understanding of how systems work, particularly in my pulp and paper speciality. However, I will say that I do not have a traditional engineering job.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6028.0,"score_ratio":2.25}
{"post_id":"noh3wy","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Why did you choose your field of engineering? And what is it? If you are in school still, do you enjoy studying it?  If you are graduated did you enjoy both studying and the work in that field?","c_root_id_A":"h00h7z4","c_root_id_B":"h00epwp","created_at_utc_A":1622408308,"created_at_utc_B":1622407030,"score_A":9,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I chose Mechanical because: 1. It\u2019s pretty general. There are a lot of job opportunities in niche fields that can open up with a degree in mechanical. 2. I didn\u2019t have an affinity for Chemistry. I feel like Chemistry and Calculus are two core subjects you need good teachers\/professors for, and I never had a good teacher for Chemistry. Mechanical degree at my school of choice only required basic Chem 1? Sounds good. 3. It\u2019s physical and easy to visualize. Electrical engineering is amazing, and I respect anyone pursuing it, but I didn\u2019t like the idea of studying something with [seemingly, I\u2019m sure EEs and ECEs would agree with me, but I was making this decision at 17, so please cut me some slack] so little to visualize. I like mechanical engineering because it\u2019s intuitive. It\u2019s physical. You can hold projects in your hand and explain each piece and why it is the way it is in words and not complex math and imaginary numbers (again, I apologize to my EE and ECE counterparts). 4. The mechanical program at my school of choice was very highly ranked when I was making this decision.  All of the reasons above are valid reasons to like mechanical.   Reasons to dislike mechanical:  -thermodynamics\/heat transfer\/fluid mechanics: all very hard and complex math -if you don\u2019t want to work in HVAC and don\u2019t feel the need to hear about it -if you don\u2019t want to work on cars and don\u2019t feel the need to know the inner workings of a car  Largely, I didn\u2019t enjoy college, but I do enjoy working in the field. I do a lot of design and documentation, which is the side of mechanical I really like. I have two 3D printers that I play with and am generally decent at figuring out how things work.","human_ref_B":"Materials engineering tech student. I love it.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1278.0,"score_ratio":2.25}
{"post_id":"noh3wy","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Why did you choose your field of engineering? And what is it? If you are in school still, do you enjoy studying it?  If you are graduated did you enjoy both studying and the work in that field?","c_root_id_A":"h005ijc","c_root_id_B":"h005cb6","created_at_utc_A":1622402370,"created_at_utc_B":1622402280,"score_A":8,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"\"I like the idea of being an engineer but I don't know what I want to focus in.\"  \"Mechanical is the broadest of the engineering disciplines.\"  \"Sounds good, but it looks like I still have to pick a concentration for my major?\"  \"You can concentrate in 'General'.\"  \"I can have my specialty be not having a specialty? Sign me up!\"  Honestly it was a blast in school, and while I do have FOMO from not working on super cool projects now that I'm in industry (I design glorified metal boxes and the little bits that go in them) I wouldn't do anything different if I could do it over.","human_ref_B":"Honestly, I didn't have a preference going into engineering and I picked what I thought would involve the least amount of math. LPT, chemical engineering has the most amount of math second to electrical engineering. So, oops on my part.   I'm having a great time in my career. I work long hours some weeks, but I get to see a whole bunch of cool processes and help make sites safer. The background in chemical engineering gives me better understanding of how systems work, particularly in my pulp and paper speciality. However, I will say that I do not have a traditional engineering job.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":90.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"noh3wy","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Why did you choose your field of engineering? And what is it? If you are in school still, do you enjoy studying it?  If you are graduated did you enjoy both studying and the work in that field?","c_root_id_A":"h00pgw1","c_root_id_B":"h00sv73","created_at_utc_A":1622412540,"created_at_utc_B":1622414369,"score_A":7,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"I started school as a computer engineering major. After my first programming course I hated it so I changed to electrical (more hardware based). After three years I absolutely hated life but I was in too deep (loans, etc.) and decided I had to finish. I took a power systems course my senior year and really found my interest. I\u2019ve been working in consulting for 18 years now and wouldn\u2019t change a thing. Look for the opportunities. Most engineering fields are extremely broad.","human_ref_B":"Civil.   I was a delivery driver for a few years. I enjoyed driving and figured that it would be cool to design highways.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1829.0,"score_ratio":1.1428571429}
{"post_id":"noh3wy","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Why did you choose your field of engineering? And what is it? If you are in school still, do you enjoy studying it?  If you are graduated did you enjoy both studying and the work in that field?","c_root_id_A":"h005cb6","c_root_id_B":"h00sv73","created_at_utc_A":1622402280,"created_at_utc_B":1622414369,"score_A":4,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"Honestly, I didn't have a preference going into engineering and I picked what I thought would involve the least amount of math. LPT, chemical engineering has the most amount of math second to electrical engineering. So, oops on my part.   I'm having a great time in my career. I work long hours some weeks, but I get to see a whole bunch of cool processes and help make sites safer. The background in chemical engineering gives me better understanding of how systems work, particularly in my pulp and paper speciality. However, I will say that I do not have a traditional engineering job.","human_ref_B":"Civil.   I was a delivery driver for a few years. I enjoyed driving and figured that it would be cool to design highways.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":12089.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"noh3wy","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Why did you choose your field of engineering? And what is it? If you are in school still, do you enjoy studying it?  If you are graduated did you enjoy both studying and the work in that field?","c_root_id_A":"h00sv73","c_root_id_B":"h00epwp","created_at_utc_A":1622414369,"created_at_utc_B":1622407030,"score_A":8,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Civil.   I was a delivery driver for a few years. I enjoyed driving and figured that it would be cool to design highways.","human_ref_B":"Materials engineering tech student. I love it.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7339.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"noh3wy","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Why did you choose your field of engineering? And what is it? If you are in school still, do you enjoy studying it?  If you are graduated did you enjoy both studying and the work in that field?","c_root_id_A":"h00e7mj","c_root_id_B":"h005cb6","created_at_utc_A":1622406772,"created_at_utc_B":1622402280,"score_A":8,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Welding because I was too stupid to be a EE.","human_ref_B":"Honestly, I didn't have a preference going into engineering and I picked what I thought would involve the least amount of math. LPT, chemical engineering has the most amount of math second to electrical engineering. So, oops on my part.   I'm having a great time in my career. I work long hours some weeks, but I get to see a whole bunch of cool processes and help make sites safer. The background in chemical engineering gives me better understanding of how systems work, particularly in my pulp and paper speciality. However, I will say that I do not have a traditional engineering job.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4492.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"noh3wy","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Why did you choose your field of engineering? And what is it? If you are in school still, do you enjoy studying it?  If you are graduated did you enjoy both studying and the work in that field?","c_root_id_A":"h005cb6","c_root_id_B":"h00pgw1","created_at_utc_A":1622402280,"created_at_utc_B":1622412540,"score_A":4,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Honestly, I didn't have a preference going into engineering and I picked what I thought would involve the least amount of math. LPT, chemical engineering has the most amount of math second to electrical engineering. So, oops on my part.   I'm having a great time in my career. I work long hours some weeks, but I get to see a whole bunch of cool processes and help make sites safer. The background in chemical engineering gives me better understanding of how systems work, particularly in my pulp and paper speciality. However, I will say that I do not have a traditional engineering job.","human_ref_B":"I started school as a computer engineering major. After my first programming course I hated it so I changed to electrical (more hardware based). After three years I absolutely hated life but I was in too deep (loans, etc.) and decided I had to finish. I took a power systems course my senior year and really found my interest. I\u2019ve been working in consulting for 18 years now and wouldn\u2019t change a thing. Look for the opportunities. Most engineering fields are extremely broad.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10260.0,"score_ratio":1.75}
{"post_id":"noh3wy","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Why did you choose your field of engineering? And what is it? If you are in school still, do you enjoy studying it?  If you are graduated did you enjoy both studying and the work in that field?","c_root_id_A":"h00epwp","c_root_id_B":"h00pgw1","created_at_utc_A":1622407030,"created_at_utc_B":1622412540,"score_A":4,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Materials engineering tech student. I love it.","human_ref_B":"I started school as a computer engineering major. After my first programming course I hated it so I changed to electrical (more hardware based). After three years I absolutely hated life but I was in too deep (loans, etc.) and decided I had to finish. I took a power systems course my senior year and really found my interest. I\u2019ve been working in consulting for 18 years now and wouldn\u2019t change a thing. Look for the opportunities. Most engineering fields are extremely broad.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5510.0,"score_ratio":1.75}
{"post_id":"noh3wy","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Why did you choose your field of engineering? And what is it? If you are in school still, do you enjoy studying it?  If you are graduated did you enjoy both studying and the work in that field?","c_root_id_A":"h00upd9","c_root_id_B":"h005cb6","created_at_utc_A":1622415396,"created_at_utc_B":1622402280,"score_A":6,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Electrical & electronic engineering. I chose it because I was always a creative person interested in physics so it seemed like the right path for me. It's a mostly fun and interesting subject, apart from the signal analysis & control module.","human_ref_B":"Honestly, I didn't have a preference going into engineering and I picked what I thought would involve the least amount of math. LPT, chemical engineering has the most amount of math second to electrical engineering. So, oops on my part.   I'm having a great time in my career. I work long hours some weeks, but I get to see a whole bunch of cool processes and help make sites safer. The background in chemical engineering gives me better understanding of how systems work, particularly in my pulp and paper speciality. However, I will say that I do not have a traditional engineering job.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":13116.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"noh3wy","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Why did you choose your field of engineering? And what is it? If you are in school still, do you enjoy studying it?  If you are graduated did you enjoy both studying and the work in that field?","c_root_id_A":"h00epwp","c_root_id_B":"h00upd9","created_at_utc_A":1622407030,"created_at_utc_B":1622415396,"score_A":4,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Materials engineering tech student. I love it.","human_ref_B":"Electrical & electronic engineering. I chose it because I was always a creative person interested in physics so it seemed like the right path for me. It's a mostly fun and interesting subject, apart from the signal analysis & control module.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8366.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"noh3wy","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Why did you choose your field of engineering? And what is it? If you are in school still, do you enjoy studying it?  If you are graduated did you enjoy both studying and the work in that field?","c_root_id_A":"h005cb6","c_root_id_B":"h00xjgq","created_at_utc_A":1622402280,"created_at_utc_B":1622416985,"score_A":4,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Honestly, I didn't have a preference going into engineering and I picked what I thought would involve the least amount of math. LPT, chemical engineering has the most amount of math second to electrical engineering. So, oops on my part.   I'm having a great time in my career. I work long hours some weeks, but I get to see a whole bunch of cool processes and help make sites safer. The background in chemical engineering gives me better understanding of how systems work, particularly in my pulp and paper speciality. However, I will say that I do not have a traditional engineering job.","human_ref_B":"I chose chemical engineering because I\u2019m a dumbass and didn\u2019t realize there\u2019s like 3 states you get to live in.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":14705.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"noh3wy","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Why did you choose your field of engineering? And what is it? If you are in school still, do you enjoy studying it?  If you are graduated did you enjoy both studying and the work in that field?","c_root_id_A":"h005cb6","c_root_id_B":"h03c5z1","created_at_utc_A":1622402280,"created_at_utc_B":1622476129,"score_A":4,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Honestly, I didn't have a preference going into engineering and I picked what I thought would involve the least amount of math. LPT, chemical engineering has the most amount of math second to electrical engineering. So, oops on my part.   I'm having a great time in my career. I work long hours some weeks, but I get to see a whole bunch of cool processes and help make sites safer. The background in chemical engineering gives me better understanding of how systems work, particularly in my pulp and paper speciality. However, I will say that I do not have a traditional engineering job.","human_ref_B":"I chose the jack of all trades in engineering and the one that I felt human beings are most naturally connected to: mechanical engineering. I've never once looked back.  It is such a broad field that you can work in an amazing variety of jobs.  You also become competent in so many other disciplines (controls, manufacturing, aerospace, industrial, materials, chemical, civil, electrical, structural, nuclear, naval, agricultural, energy, environmental architectural, etc) and are therefore well - positioned to easily lead cross - disciplinary teams.  Most importantly, though, is that your job is essentially future - proof as long as humans are mechanical entities existing in a mechanical environment with mechanical needs.   We can live without electricity and chemicals, but try living without the ability to move things, secure temperature and pressure, support things, and do work on materials (the earth, minerals, wood, etc).","labels":0,"seconds_difference":73849.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"noh3wy","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Why did you choose your field of engineering? And what is it? If you are in school still, do you enjoy studying it?  If you are graduated did you enjoy both studying and the work in that field?","c_root_id_A":"h00xjgq","c_root_id_B":"h00epwp","created_at_utc_A":1622416985,"created_at_utc_B":1622407030,"score_A":5,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I chose chemical engineering because I\u2019m a dumbass and didn\u2019t realize there\u2019s like 3 states you get to live in.","human_ref_B":"Materials engineering tech student. I love it.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9955.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"noh3wy","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Why did you choose your field of engineering? And what is it? If you are in school still, do you enjoy studying it?  If you are graduated did you enjoy both studying and the work in that field?","c_root_id_A":"h00epwp","c_root_id_B":"h03c5z1","created_at_utc_A":1622407030,"created_at_utc_B":1622476129,"score_A":4,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Materials engineering tech student. I love it.","human_ref_B":"I chose the jack of all trades in engineering and the one that I felt human beings are most naturally connected to: mechanical engineering. I've never once looked back.  It is such a broad field that you can work in an amazing variety of jobs.  You also become competent in so many other disciplines (controls, manufacturing, aerospace, industrial, materials, chemical, civil, electrical, structural, nuclear, naval, agricultural, energy, environmental architectural, etc) and are therefore well - positioned to easily lead cross - disciplinary teams.  Most importantly, though, is that your job is essentially future - proof as long as humans are mechanical entities existing in a mechanical environment with mechanical needs.   We can live without electricity and chemicals, but try living without the ability to move things, secure temperature and pressure, support things, and do work on materials (the earth, minerals, wood, etc).","labels":0,"seconds_difference":69099.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"noh3wy","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Why did you choose your field of engineering? And what is it? If you are in school still, do you enjoy studying it?  If you are graduated did you enjoy both studying and the work in that field?","c_root_id_A":"h03c5z1","c_root_id_B":"h0116ap","created_at_utc_A":1622476129,"created_at_utc_B":1622419037,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I chose the jack of all trades in engineering and the one that I felt human beings are most naturally connected to: mechanical engineering. I've never once looked back.  It is such a broad field that you can work in an amazing variety of jobs.  You also become competent in so many other disciplines (controls, manufacturing, aerospace, industrial, materials, chemical, civil, electrical, structural, nuclear, naval, agricultural, energy, environmental architectural, etc) and are therefore well - positioned to easily lead cross - disciplinary teams.  Most importantly, though, is that your job is essentially future - proof as long as humans are mechanical entities existing in a mechanical environment with mechanical needs.   We can live without electricity and chemicals, but try living without the ability to move things, secure temperature and pressure, support things, and do work on materials (the earth, minerals, wood, etc).","human_ref_B":"I'm a Controls engineer. I enjoyed programming and electricial theory. The idea of being able to program PLC and do power Calc and work on system design pretty much fit the bill for me.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":57092.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"noh3wy","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Why did you choose your field of engineering? And what is it? If you are in school still, do you enjoy studying it?  If you are graduated did you enjoy both studying and the work in that field?","c_root_id_A":"h01j31k","c_root_id_B":"h03c5z1","created_at_utc_A":1622429346,"created_at_utc_B":1622476129,"score_A":4,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"EE. My first words as a kid were \"Light.\" Momma let me pull the pull chain on the lights in the living room as an infant. Flirted with becoming a chem E in my early teens but knew I wanted to be a sparkie by 14.","human_ref_B":"I chose the jack of all trades in engineering and the one that I felt human beings are most naturally connected to: mechanical engineering. I've never once looked back.  It is such a broad field that you can work in an amazing variety of jobs.  You also become competent in so many other disciplines (controls, manufacturing, aerospace, industrial, materials, chemical, civil, electrical, structural, nuclear, naval, agricultural, energy, environmental architectural, etc) and are therefore well - positioned to easily lead cross - disciplinary teams.  Most importantly, though, is that your job is essentially future - proof as long as humans are mechanical entities existing in a mechanical environment with mechanical needs.   We can live without electricity and chemicals, but try living without the ability to move things, secure temperature and pressure, support things, and do work on materials (the earth, minerals, wood, etc).","labels":0,"seconds_difference":46783.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"noh3wy","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Why did you choose your field of engineering? And what is it? If you are in school still, do you enjoy studying it?  If you are graduated did you enjoy both studying and the work in that field?","c_root_id_A":"h012mq3","c_root_id_B":"h03c5z1","created_at_utc_A":1622419865,"created_at_utc_B":1622476129,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Geological engineering because I wanted to be able to work both outdoors and indoors. I also like that every single project is a unique problem because soil, rock, groundwater, and climate conditions are different at every location.  I\u2019ve been working a couple decades and still love it.  I\u2019m still learning new things and helping shape the industry and the regulations around it.","human_ref_B":"I chose the jack of all trades in engineering and the one that I felt human beings are most naturally connected to: mechanical engineering. I've never once looked back.  It is such a broad field that you can work in an amazing variety of jobs.  You also become competent in so many other disciplines (controls, manufacturing, aerospace, industrial, materials, chemical, civil, electrical, structural, nuclear, naval, agricultural, energy, environmental architectural, etc) and are therefore well - positioned to easily lead cross - disciplinary teams.  Most importantly, though, is that your job is essentially future - proof as long as humans are mechanical entities existing in a mechanical environment with mechanical needs.   We can live without electricity and chemicals, but try living without the ability to move things, secure temperature and pressure, support things, and do work on materials (the earth, minerals, wood, etc).","labels":0,"seconds_difference":56264.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"noh3wy","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Why did you choose your field of engineering? And what is it? If you are in school still, do you enjoy studying it?  If you are graduated did you enjoy both studying and the work in that field?","c_root_id_A":"h013ans","c_root_id_B":"h03c5z1","created_at_utc_A":1622420248,"created_at_utc_B":1622476129,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Chemical  I chose chemical engineerimg because A) I thought it would challenge me more than mechanical. B) I liked chemistry and math. C) Google said it paid well. D) I could go to a cheaper school compared to pursuing a nuclear engineering degree.  In hindsight, I'm glad I chose chemical, but none of my initial reasonings were strong enough on their own to be the sole reason to do it.","human_ref_B":"I chose the jack of all trades in engineering and the one that I felt human beings are most naturally connected to: mechanical engineering. I've never once looked back.  It is such a broad field that you can work in an amazing variety of jobs.  You also become competent in so many other disciplines (controls, manufacturing, aerospace, industrial, materials, chemical, civil, electrical, structural, nuclear, naval, agricultural, energy, environmental architectural, etc) and are therefore well - positioned to easily lead cross - disciplinary teams.  Most importantly, though, is that your job is essentially future - proof as long as humans are mechanical entities existing in a mechanical environment with mechanical needs.   We can live without electricity and chemicals, but try living without the ability to move things, secure temperature and pressure, support things, and do work on materials (the earth, minerals, wood, etc).","labels":0,"seconds_difference":55881.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"noh3wy","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Why did you choose your field of engineering? And what is it? If you are in school still, do you enjoy studying it?  If you are graduated did you enjoy both studying and the work in that field?","c_root_id_A":"h03c5z1","c_root_id_B":"h015qdp","created_at_utc_A":1622476129,"created_at_utc_B":1622421637,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I chose the jack of all trades in engineering and the one that I felt human beings are most naturally connected to: mechanical engineering. I've never once looked back.  It is such a broad field that you can work in an amazing variety of jobs.  You also become competent in so many other disciplines (controls, manufacturing, aerospace, industrial, materials, chemical, civil, electrical, structural, nuclear, naval, agricultural, energy, environmental architectural, etc) and are therefore well - positioned to easily lead cross - disciplinary teams.  Most importantly, though, is that your job is essentially future - proof as long as humans are mechanical entities existing in a mechanical environment with mechanical needs.   We can live without electricity and chemicals, but try living without the ability to move things, secure temperature and pressure, support things, and do work on materials (the earth, minerals, wood, etc).","human_ref_B":"EE, concentration in Control and Automation. Started messing with custom FPV drones like freshman year of high school and found it really fun, but wanted to do more than just buy parts and out them together. Took Honors Physics my senior year with my favorite teacher ever and he made me realize there's a *lot* you can do with physics and math, so I decided to give engineering a shot. I have one semester left and am about to start my second internship, and it's awesome. It's a lot of work, to be sure, but even the hardest classes I've taken have been extremely fun and eye opening.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":54492.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"noh3wy","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Why did you choose your field of engineering? And what is it? If you are in school still, do you enjoy studying it?  If you are graduated did you enjoy both studying and the work in that field?","c_root_id_A":"h016a88","c_root_id_B":"h03c5z1","created_at_utc_A":1622421955,"created_at_utc_B":1622476129,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Civil - Oil & Gas. I get to be a part of (sometimes run) big projects and see cool stuff in the field. I also get to sit at a desk and run calcs\/do design when I want. Best of both worlds coming from a primary blue collar family and also the pay is decent.","human_ref_B":"I chose the jack of all trades in engineering and the one that I felt human beings are most naturally connected to: mechanical engineering. I've never once looked back.  It is such a broad field that you can work in an amazing variety of jobs.  You also become competent in so many other disciplines (controls, manufacturing, aerospace, industrial, materials, chemical, civil, electrical, structural, nuclear, naval, agricultural, energy, environmental architectural, etc) and are therefore well - positioned to easily lead cross - disciplinary teams.  Most importantly, though, is that your job is essentially future - proof as long as humans are mechanical entities existing in a mechanical environment with mechanical needs.   We can live without electricity and chemicals, but try living without the ability to move things, secure temperature and pressure, support things, and do work on materials (the earth, minerals, wood, etc).","labels":0,"seconds_difference":54174.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"noh3wy","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Why did you choose your field of engineering? And what is it? If you are in school still, do you enjoy studying it?  If you are graduated did you enjoy both studying and the work in that field?","c_root_id_A":"h01chzu","c_root_id_B":"h03c5z1","created_at_utc_A":1622425547,"created_at_utc_B":1622476129,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"EE, when I was a kid I liked taking electronics apart and wanted to know how they worked. Got into car audio subwoofer systems as a teenager as well.   My fondest memory was taking off the top of a hot VHS player and grabbing the input fuse \u201ccause it felt weird\u201d. I told my science teacher what I did and he said \u201cyour electrocuting yourself dummy\u201d.","human_ref_B":"I chose the jack of all trades in engineering and the one that I felt human beings are most naturally connected to: mechanical engineering. I've never once looked back.  It is such a broad field that you can work in an amazing variety of jobs.  You also become competent in so many other disciplines (controls, manufacturing, aerospace, industrial, materials, chemical, civil, electrical, structural, nuclear, naval, agricultural, energy, environmental architectural, etc) and are therefore well - positioned to easily lead cross - disciplinary teams.  Most importantly, though, is that your job is essentially future - proof as long as humans are mechanical entities existing in a mechanical environment with mechanical needs.   We can live without electricity and chemicals, but try living without the ability to move things, secure temperature and pressure, support things, and do work on materials (the earth, minerals, wood, etc).","labels":0,"seconds_difference":50582.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"noh3wy","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Why did you choose your field of engineering? And what is it? If you are in school still, do you enjoy studying it?  If you are graduated did you enjoy both studying and the work in that field?","c_root_id_A":"h03c5z1","c_root_id_B":"h02sydk","created_at_utc_A":1622476129,"created_at_utc_B":1622465753,"score_A":5,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I chose the jack of all trades in engineering and the one that I felt human beings are most naturally connected to: mechanical engineering. I've never once looked back.  It is such a broad field that you can work in an amazing variety of jobs.  You also become competent in so many other disciplines (controls, manufacturing, aerospace, industrial, materials, chemical, civil, electrical, structural, nuclear, naval, agricultural, energy, environmental architectural, etc) and are therefore well - positioned to easily lead cross - disciplinary teams.  Most importantly, though, is that your job is essentially future - proof as long as humans are mechanical entities existing in a mechanical environment with mechanical needs.   We can live without electricity and chemicals, but try living without the ability to move things, secure temperature and pressure, support things, and do work on materials (the earth, minerals, wood, etc).","human_ref_B":"I started in BSME, then changed to BSMET. I work as a Quality Engineer.   Mechanical seemed like a good choice for me. I was the stereotypical take stuff apart to see how it worked type of kid. On paper, I did well in high school because it was very easy for me, never studied, graduated with a 3.67. Got a 29 on my ACT without studying or practicing.   I expected college to be the same, I was wrong.   I struggled my first year but made it through. My second year I began having real difficulties and I genuinely did not like the material I was being taught, I was in my engineering analysis 1 class and the professor says \"You will all have to get used to this stuff, for 95% of you this will be your job\", and I remember thinking \"If this was my job I'd start beating my head into a wall in 6 weeks.\"   After that I started looking to switch. Found MET, sounded like a solid option, I went for it. It was more in line with what I was expecting when I first started my BSME and I enjoyed the classes more and started to do better. I got an internship the summer after working as a construction engineering technician, basically doing concrete and rebar inspections on construction sites. Absolutely hated it but I need experience and it was all I could get. (Had a 2.6 GPA at the time)   Fast forward a year, I get my associates and land a job as a draftsman at a filter element manufacturer. I still take night classes to finish my bachelor's. A few months before I'm set to finish my bachelor's I get a cold call email from a company saying they're interviewing for a Manufacturing Quality Engineer position. I didn't really know what a manufacturing quality engineer was, but I knew I wanted to go into manufacturing and it said engineer in the title so I went for it and landed it.   Spent two years there. Got some really good experience. Place was always kinda a shit hole but I didn't think it was all that bad. I heard rumors of screwy shit but never saw it directly for myself. Then Mr. Boss man told me to falsify customer data and I noped TF out, started applying for Quality Engineer positions because I really good really fast at programming the CMM and doing root cause analysis.  Landed a Quality Engineer position after my first interview at a much larger company with much better benefits and much better pay. I've been there 3 weeks so far, early indications are it's going well.   My advice to you is to follow where your opportunities and your interests lie, do good work and don't compromise yourself (or your career) for a job.   Take all the training you can get, even if you're not sure if you'll like it. I never expected I would end up in quality but I actually enjoy it and I'm very good at it, and I'm doing quite well financially and professionally by more or less stumbling around with nothing more than a general direction of where I wanted to go.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10376.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"noh3wy","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Why did you choose your field of engineering? And what is it? If you are in school still, do you enjoy studying it?  If you are graduated did you enjoy both studying and the work in that field?","c_root_id_A":"h0116ap","c_root_id_B":"h01j31k","created_at_utc_A":1622419037,"created_at_utc_B":1622429346,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I'm a Controls engineer. I enjoyed programming and electricial theory. The idea of being able to program PLC and do power Calc and work on system design pretty much fit the bill for me.","human_ref_B":"EE. My first words as a kid were \"Light.\" Momma let me pull the pull chain on the lights in the living room as an infant. Flirted with becoming a chem E in my early teens but knew I wanted to be a sparkie by 14.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10309.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"noh3wy","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Why did you choose your field of engineering? And what is it? If you are in school still, do you enjoy studying it?  If you are graduated did you enjoy both studying and the work in that field?","c_root_id_A":"h01j31k","c_root_id_B":"h012mq3","created_at_utc_A":1622429346,"created_at_utc_B":1622419865,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"EE. My first words as a kid were \"Light.\" Momma let me pull the pull chain on the lights in the living room as an infant. Flirted with becoming a chem E in my early teens but knew I wanted to be a sparkie by 14.","human_ref_B":"Geological engineering because I wanted to be able to work both outdoors and indoors. I also like that every single project is a unique problem because soil, rock, groundwater, and climate conditions are different at every location.  I\u2019ve been working a couple decades and still love it.  I\u2019m still learning new things and helping shape the industry and the regulations around it.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9481.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"noh3wy","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Why did you choose your field of engineering? And what is it? If you are in school still, do you enjoy studying it?  If you are graduated did you enjoy both studying and the work in that field?","c_root_id_A":"h013ans","c_root_id_B":"h01j31k","created_at_utc_A":1622420248,"created_at_utc_B":1622429346,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Chemical  I chose chemical engineerimg because A) I thought it would challenge me more than mechanical. B) I liked chemistry and math. C) Google said it paid well. D) I could go to a cheaper school compared to pursuing a nuclear engineering degree.  In hindsight, I'm glad I chose chemical, but none of my initial reasonings were strong enough on their own to be the sole reason to do it.","human_ref_B":"EE. My first words as a kid were \"Light.\" Momma let me pull the pull chain on the lights in the living room as an infant. Flirted with becoming a chem E in my early teens but knew I wanted to be a sparkie by 14.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9098.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"noh3wy","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Why did you choose your field of engineering? And what is it? If you are in school still, do you enjoy studying it?  If you are graduated did you enjoy both studying and the work in that field?","c_root_id_A":"h015qdp","c_root_id_B":"h01j31k","created_at_utc_A":1622421637,"created_at_utc_B":1622429346,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"EE, concentration in Control and Automation. Started messing with custom FPV drones like freshman year of high school and found it really fun, but wanted to do more than just buy parts and out them together. Took Honors Physics my senior year with my favorite teacher ever and he made me realize there's a *lot* you can do with physics and math, so I decided to give engineering a shot. I have one semester left and am about to start my second internship, and it's awesome. It's a lot of work, to be sure, but even the hardest classes I've taken have been extremely fun and eye opening.","human_ref_B":"EE. My first words as a kid were \"Light.\" Momma let me pull the pull chain on the lights in the living room as an infant. Flirted with becoming a chem E in my early teens but knew I wanted to be a sparkie by 14.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7709.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"noh3wy","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Why did you choose your field of engineering? And what is it? If you are in school still, do you enjoy studying it?  If you are graduated did you enjoy both studying and the work in that field?","c_root_id_A":"h01j31k","c_root_id_B":"h016a88","created_at_utc_A":1622429346,"created_at_utc_B":1622421955,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"EE. My first words as a kid were \"Light.\" Momma let me pull the pull chain on the lights in the living room as an infant. Flirted with becoming a chem E in my early teens but knew I wanted to be a sparkie by 14.","human_ref_B":"Civil - Oil & Gas. I get to be a part of (sometimes run) big projects and see cool stuff in the field. I also get to sit at a desk and run calcs\/do design when I want. Best of both worlds coming from a primary blue collar family and also the pay is decent.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7391.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"noh3wy","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Why did you choose your field of engineering? And what is it? If you are in school still, do you enjoy studying it?  If you are graduated did you enjoy both studying and the work in that field?","c_root_id_A":"h01j31k","c_root_id_B":"h01chzu","created_at_utc_A":1622429346,"created_at_utc_B":1622425547,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"EE. My first words as a kid were \"Light.\" Momma let me pull the pull chain on the lights in the living room as an infant. Flirted with becoming a chem E in my early teens but knew I wanted to be a sparkie by 14.","human_ref_B":"EE, when I was a kid I liked taking electronics apart and wanted to know how they worked. Got into car audio subwoofer systems as a teenager as well.   My fondest memory was taking off the top of a hot VHS player and grabbing the input fuse \u201ccause it felt weird\u201d. I told my science teacher what I did and he said \u201cyour electrocuting yourself dummy\u201d.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3799.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"noh3wy","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Why did you choose your field of engineering? And what is it? If you are in school still, do you enjoy studying it?  If you are graduated did you enjoy both studying and the work in that field?","c_root_id_A":"h02sydk","c_root_id_B":"h03qakv","created_at_utc_A":1622465753,"created_at_utc_B":1622483049,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I started in BSME, then changed to BSMET. I work as a Quality Engineer.   Mechanical seemed like a good choice for me. I was the stereotypical take stuff apart to see how it worked type of kid. On paper, I did well in high school because it was very easy for me, never studied, graduated with a 3.67. Got a 29 on my ACT without studying or practicing.   I expected college to be the same, I was wrong.   I struggled my first year but made it through. My second year I began having real difficulties and I genuinely did not like the material I was being taught, I was in my engineering analysis 1 class and the professor says \"You will all have to get used to this stuff, for 95% of you this will be your job\", and I remember thinking \"If this was my job I'd start beating my head into a wall in 6 weeks.\"   After that I started looking to switch. Found MET, sounded like a solid option, I went for it. It was more in line with what I was expecting when I first started my BSME and I enjoyed the classes more and started to do better. I got an internship the summer after working as a construction engineering technician, basically doing concrete and rebar inspections on construction sites. Absolutely hated it but I need experience and it was all I could get. (Had a 2.6 GPA at the time)   Fast forward a year, I get my associates and land a job as a draftsman at a filter element manufacturer. I still take night classes to finish my bachelor's. A few months before I'm set to finish my bachelor's I get a cold call email from a company saying they're interviewing for a Manufacturing Quality Engineer position. I didn't really know what a manufacturing quality engineer was, but I knew I wanted to go into manufacturing and it said engineer in the title so I went for it and landed it.   Spent two years there. Got some really good experience. Place was always kinda a shit hole but I didn't think it was all that bad. I heard rumors of screwy shit but never saw it directly for myself. Then Mr. Boss man told me to falsify customer data and I noped TF out, started applying for Quality Engineer positions because I really good really fast at programming the CMM and doing root cause analysis.  Landed a Quality Engineer position after my first interview at a much larger company with much better benefits and much better pay. I've been there 3 weeks so far, early indications are it's going well.   My advice to you is to follow where your opportunities and your interests lie, do good work and don't compromise yourself (or your career) for a job.   Take all the training you can get, even if you're not sure if you'll like it. I never expected I would end up in quality but I actually enjoy it and I'm very good at it, and I'm doing quite well financially and professionally by more or less stumbling around with nothing more than a general direction of where I wanted to go.","human_ref_B":"EE.  Where I\u2019m from the financial aspect of life overrules any other aspect such as passion.  It turned out to be a good decision tbh.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":17296.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"noh3wy","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Why did you choose your field of engineering? And what is it? If you are in school still, do you enjoy studying it?  If you are graduated did you enjoy both studying and the work in that field?","c_root_id_A":"h03qbe5","c_root_id_B":"h02sydk","created_at_utc_A":1622483060,"created_at_utc_B":1622465753,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Mech Eng here. Chose mech E because liked building things with my hands. Hated school becausev it was all theories and everything was about test scores. Things got wayyy easier and enjoyed it more when i was working while it lasted. I worked every position in manufacturing and know the in's and out's but hated how everything was paper based and manual. Everything in manufacturing was all about data and metrics so I transitioned into Data Eng\/Analyst (pay was better and work was more rewarding IMO).","human_ref_B":"I started in BSME, then changed to BSMET. I work as a Quality Engineer.   Mechanical seemed like a good choice for me. I was the stereotypical take stuff apart to see how it worked type of kid. On paper, I did well in high school because it was very easy for me, never studied, graduated with a 3.67. Got a 29 on my ACT without studying or practicing.   I expected college to be the same, I was wrong.   I struggled my first year but made it through. My second year I began having real difficulties and I genuinely did not like the material I was being taught, I was in my engineering analysis 1 class and the professor says \"You will all have to get used to this stuff, for 95% of you this will be your job\", and I remember thinking \"If this was my job I'd start beating my head into a wall in 6 weeks.\"   After that I started looking to switch. Found MET, sounded like a solid option, I went for it. It was more in line with what I was expecting when I first started my BSME and I enjoyed the classes more and started to do better. I got an internship the summer after working as a construction engineering technician, basically doing concrete and rebar inspections on construction sites. Absolutely hated it but I need experience and it was all I could get. (Had a 2.6 GPA at the time)   Fast forward a year, I get my associates and land a job as a draftsman at a filter element manufacturer. I still take night classes to finish my bachelor's. A few months before I'm set to finish my bachelor's I get a cold call email from a company saying they're interviewing for a Manufacturing Quality Engineer position. I didn't really know what a manufacturing quality engineer was, but I knew I wanted to go into manufacturing and it said engineer in the title so I went for it and landed it.   Spent two years there. Got some really good experience. Place was always kinda a shit hole but I didn't think it was all that bad. I heard rumors of screwy shit but never saw it directly for myself. Then Mr. Boss man told me to falsify customer data and I noped TF out, started applying for Quality Engineer positions because I really good really fast at programming the CMM and doing root cause analysis.  Landed a Quality Engineer position after my first interview at a much larger company with much better benefits and much better pay. I've been there 3 weeks so far, early indications are it's going well.   My advice to you is to follow where your opportunities and your interests lie, do good work and don't compromise yourself (or your career) for a job.   Take all the training you can get, even if you're not sure if you'll like it. I never expected I would end up in quality but I actually enjoy it and I'm very good at it, and I'm doing quite well financially and professionally by more or less stumbling around with nothing more than a general direction of where I wanted to go.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":17307.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"n3iz0x","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.75,"history":"This one goes out to all my mechanical engineers. Is there an efficient way to cool my second story bedroom without having to waste a bunch of energy cooling the rest of my house? I currently live in a two story house in the midwest and it is summer time.  I try to turn my thermostat up during the day to save on energy, and then I turn it down to 69 at night so that I can have a cool room when I go to bed.  The problem is, even at a temperature of 69 my bedroom is still 73 degs at night...  I have a single zone split system as is common for most houses in the midwest, and the thermostat is located on the first floor.   I also have a ceiling fan which I use, but this only seems to slightly help.  Is there any other cost effective way I can cool my room off without having to turn my thermostat down to 65 degs?  Also, I would prefer not to use a window shaker, but am considering it if I have no other option.  Thanks in advance for your advice!","c_root_id_A":"gwq6jv1","c_root_id_B":"gwq5dmd","created_at_utc_A":1620001019,"created_at_utc_B":1620000379,"score_A":11,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"rebalance system? Restrict some of the other registers a bit to force more up to the 2nd floor? Don't close them off or you could freeze your AC coil from lack of airflow.  Make sure your ducts are sealed well and insulated.  booster fan in duct to 2nd floor?","human_ref_B":"tldr: Plan A: more air circulation between upstairs and downstairs.  Plan B: get a window unit.  You can add more air circulation between the upstairs and downstairs so that the entire house acts more like one body.  Keep in mind this will result in the same AC system keeping the upstairs cooler, and so WILL still use more energy.  Ignoring the difference in efficiency between a window unit and built in unit, it wouldn't waste any more energy to just get a window unit.  Either way, the same work needs to be done.  In fact, it may be BETTER, because you can keep your bedroom cooler while allowing the rest of your home to stay warm.  Without making any other changes, turning up the thermostat downstairs to the necessary temperature so that your bedroom is 69 will still be the worst option (potentially by far).  If your current air circulation situation is basically nothing, you may be getting almost no cooling upstairs at all, and may need to turn down that thermostat to some ridiculous number to get the desired cooling upstairs.  edit: you can also do little things to keep more heat from getting into your room in the first place, like dedicated window shades.  edit 2: I never had a window unit, but my roommate did a a previous place.  I remembered them from my childhood being large, loud things that shook and beeped and were difficult to control.  Now, you can get ones that are reasonably cheap, very quit, and do a VERY good job at keeping your room cold.  If you close your door, it will only cool your room, and that's what they're good at.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":640.0,"score_ratio":1.5714285714}
{"post_id":"6d62yb","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.72,"history":"How important is the college you go to for getting a job in computer engineering? So I have been contemplating what college I go to for quite some time.  Does the college I go to affect my likeliness for a job immensely?  I understand that if you go to a school like MIT you basically get any job, but what about schools that aren't as prestigious?  Like St. Thomas university or a school like that?  I can't really tell how much a school affects job placement and I would like some information from you guys.  Thank you for anyone that inputs.","c_root_id_A":"di064af","c_root_id_B":"di0ad55","created_at_utc_A":1495671524,"created_at_utc_B":1495677001,"score_A":6,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"Many employers only send recruiters to two groups of schools: (a) MIT, Stanford, UCLA, et al; and (b) whatever better-than-average schools are geographically near to the entry level positions that are open.  Some, generally the BIG ones, send recruiters to EVERY school.  But the competition for those jobs is just as fierce because the number of other candidates (who might be just as good or better than you, and who may also have the advantage when it comes to \"diversity\" ~~quotas~~ hopes and aspirations) is daunting.","human_ref_B":"I would imagine most big corporations are like mine (not comp-e). We send recruiters to big name schools and local schools. Otherwise, you're applying online like everyone else and as long as your degree is ABET accredited, no one cares.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5477.0,"score_ratio":1.8333333333}
{"post_id":"6d62yb","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.72,"history":"How important is the college you go to for getting a job in computer engineering? So I have been contemplating what college I go to for quite some time.  Does the college I go to affect my likeliness for a job immensely?  I understand that if you go to a school like MIT you basically get any job, but what about schools that aren't as prestigious?  Like St. Thomas university or a school like that?  I can't really tell how much a school affects job placement and I would like some information from you guys.  Thank you for anyone that inputs.","c_root_id_A":"di0gh5i","c_root_id_B":"di064af","created_at_utc_A":1495685693,"created_at_utc_B":1495671524,"score_A":7,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"companies, especially those in tech, like to recruit from where they know talent will be good. that's why so many companies are still based in SV. best candidates are in Berkeley and Stanford every year. they also have the money to draw the best engineers from MIT, GT, Michigan, Princeton, etc to make a trip across the country.  going to a big name school is fairly important. not worth getting into debt over, but try to go to the best school you can afford \/ feel comfortable at.","human_ref_B":"Many employers only send recruiters to two groups of schools: (a) MIT, Stanford, UCLA, et al; and (b) whatever better-than-average schools are geographically near to the entry level positions that are open.  Some, generally the BIG ones, send recruiters to EVERY school.  But the competition for those jobs is just as fierce because the number of other candidates (who might be just as good or better than you, and who may also have the advantage when it comes to \"diversity\" ~~quotas~~ hopes and aspirations) is daunting.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":14169.0,"score_ratio":1.1666666667}
{"post_id":"gtiul3","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Do potential employers usually want to contact your current employer? In your experience, do jobs that you apply for want to talk to your current employer? If so, how does that work? Because I wouldnt want my current employer to know that Im looking for a new job.","c_root_id_A":"fsdzv6r","c_root_id_B":"fscxs47","created_at_utc_A":1590897057,"created_at_utc_B":1590875361,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Depends I guess. I interviewed at a direct competitor and they didn\u2019t. Didn\u2019t even ask about it. Still got an offer though.   Doesn\u2019t make sense to me though. I have had great relationships with some of my bosses and I still probably wouldn\u2019t let them know I was looking.","human_ref_B":"Usually they just ask if you work there or ask about how your work is. If you are applying for jobs locally usually even before they talk to you they may talk to someone at your current company. A lot of engineering disciplines are pretty closed knit on the local level and a lot of cross company chat happens.  Odds are if your employer gets word of you wanting to leave and they want to keep you they will do a bit to retain you. Them finding out can be helpful to your career.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":21696.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"q786cx","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"If I want to eventually do design work, is gaining experience as a graduate systems engineer a bad idea? So I got on to a grad scheme over covid at a huge consultancy. I have a masters in mechanical engineering and originally applied for that. But they moved me on to systems. I took the job because tbh, there was no other option at the time.   They haven\u2019t really given me any interesting work. Or at least any technical work. It doesn\u2019t even really feel like engineering it\u2019s just asset management right now and if I hadn\u2019t found ways to make it technical I\u2019d be struggling.   I had originally thought (like some other grads on my team) that systems would be more modelling and simulation type work. Coming up with initial system design ideas. Etc. that appealed to me. The basic documenting and management of assets does not.   I was kinda hoping that they\u2019d at least be flexible on how often I needed to be in the office too with me taking the job while working from home in a different city. But they haven\u2019t been. They\u2019re now demanding I\u2019m in 3 days a week and that\u2019s not easy considering my current situation.   It\u2019s making me wonder if I should apply elsewhere. As I\u2019m on a grad programme I had hoped they\u2019d let me experience the mechanical side too, get some design work. They advertised it as a way to develop the skills you want to for your career and let you experience the whole consultancy. It isn\u2019t that at all right now.   Should I leave and find something else where I can hone my technical skills? Or is it good experience seeing the whole engineering lifecycle first and then trying to find that.   Thanks","c_root_id_A":"hggweka","c_root_id_B":"hggxi53","created_at_utc_A":1634123017,"created_at_utc_B":1634123814,"score_A":4,"score_B":29,"human_ref_A":"Commenting for visibility","human_ref_B":"Best time to apply for a job is when you have a job. If you\u2019re unhappy, look elsewhere.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":797.0,"score_ratio":7.25}
{"post_id":"q786cx","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"If I want to eventually do design work, is gaining experience as a graduate systems engineer a bad idea? So I got on to a grad scheme over covid at a huge consultancy. I have a masters in mechanical engineering and originally applied for that. But they moved me on to systems. I took the job because tbh, there was no other option at the time.   They haven\u2019t really given me any interesting work. Or at least any technical work. It doesn\u2019t even really feel like engineering it\u2019s just asset management right now and if I hadn\u2019t found ways to make it technical I\u2019d be struggling.   I had originally thought (like some other grads on my team) that systems would be more modelling and simulation type work. Coming up with initial system design ideas. Etc. that appealed to me. The basic documenting and management of assets does not.   I was kinda hoping that they\u2019d at least be flexible on how often I needed to be in the office too with me taking the job while working from home in a different city. But they haven\u2019t been. They\u2019re now demanding I\u2019m in 3 days a week and that\u2019s not easy considering my current situation.   It\u2019s making me wonder if I should apply elsewhere. As I\u2019m on a grad programme I had hoped they\u2019d let me experience the mechanical side too, get some design work. They advertised it as a way to develop the skills you want to for your career and let you experience the whole consultancy. It isn\u2019t that at all right now.   Should I leave and find something else where I can hone my technical skills? Or is it good experience seeing the whole engineering lifecycle first and then trying to find that.   Thanks","c_root_id_A":"hggweka","c_root_id_B":"hgh63ns","created_at_utc_A":1634123017,"created_at_utc_B":1634129130,"score_A":4,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"Commenting for visibility","human_ref_B":"systems is more like putting all the pieces from design together.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6113.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"q786cx","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"If I want to eventually do design work, is gaining experience as a graduate systems engineer a bad idea? So I got on to a grad scheme over covid at a huge consultancy. I have a masters in mechanical engineering and originally applied for that. But they moved me on to systems. I took the job because tbh, there was no other option at the time.   They haven\u2019t really given me any interesting work. Or at least any technical work. It doesn\u2019t even really feel like engineering it\u2019s just asset management right now and if I hadn\u2019t found ways to make it technical I\u2019d be struggling.   I had originally thought (like some other grads on my team) that systems would be more modelling and simulation type work. Coming up with initial system design ideas. Etc. that appealed to me. The basic documenting and management of assets does not.   I was kinda hoping that they\u2019d at least be flexible on how often I needed to be in the office too with me taking the job while working from home in a different city. But they haven\u2019t been. They\u2019re now demanding I\u2019m in 3 days a week and that\u2019s not easy considering my current situation.   It\u2019s making me wonder if I should apply elsewhere. As I\u2019m on a grad programme I had hoped they\u2019d let me experience the mechanical side too, get some design work. They advertised it as a way to develop the skills you want to for your career and let you experience the whole consultancy. It isn\u2019t that at all right now.   Should I leave and find something else where I can hone my technical skills? Or is it good experience seeing the whole engineering lifecycle first and then trying to find that.   Thanks","c_root_id_A":"hghdt48","c_root_id_B":"hggweka","created_at_utc_A":1634132949,"created_at_utc_B":1634123017,"score_A":5,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"If you're trying to architect systems (design for systems engineers) then there's no where else you'll get experience across all subsystems of a system. Systems, at least for many aero\/defense companies, also blurs the line between design, as we (unlike design-only engineers) have more of the V-model to cover, and usually do not get taken off a project as soon as a given box is complete, like most design engineers would in larger projects. All that said, I could write an essay on why systems is a great temporary area to be in before transitioning more hardcore into a much smaller specialization, but it doesn't sound like you're really doing much real systems engineering (at least not for what I'm used to calling a systems engr) if you're primarily doing asset management. I will say my area of focus that I thought I wanted to go into (design engineer for RF) turned out to not be the right career path for me, and systems might help with \"seeing what else is out there,\" but if you don't feel like this role does that for you, then talk to management about a role change that's in-line with your career development goals, and also start applying to other jobs just in case you net a better fit job before your current company gets their butt in gear. Just my two cents.","human_ref_B":"Commenting for visibility","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9932.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"lopw67","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":1.0,"history":"What do you call it when you have a rocket and you need a certain amount of fuel to lift it to space, but then you need more fuel to lift that fuel to space, and then fuel to lift that fuel, etc? Also, how do you figure out how much fuel you need?","c_root_id_A":"go7rtib","c_root_id_B":"go81uwz","created_at_utc_A":1613903845,"created_at_utc_B":1613913061,"score_A":8,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"You can use series approximations to mathematically come up with an answer if you know how much extra fuel is required to lift any additional fuel. A simple example would be that a rocket needs 100 fuel to lift it off the ground, then requires half of the additional fuel to lift that fuel. So 100 to lift the rocket, then 50 to lift the 100, then 25 to lift the 50, then 12.5 to lift the 25, etc. This would eventually converge to 200 fuel total.","human_ref_B":"And this is one of the many uses for calculus.   (I think the other answers probably get you want you wanted).","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9216.0,"score_ratio":1.375}
{"post_id":"lopw67","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":1.0,"history":"What do you call it when you have a rocket and you need a certain amount of fuel to lift it to space, but then you need more fuel to lift that fuel to space, and then fuel to lift that fuel, etc? Also, how do you figure out how much fuel you need?","c_root_id_A":"go7v45s","c_root_id_B":"go81uwz","created_at_utc_A":1613907180,"created_at_utc_B":1613913061,"score_A":9,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"The Rocket Equation xD","human_ref_B":"And this is one of the many uses for calculus.   (I think the other answers probably get you want you wanted).","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5881.0,"score_ratio":1.2222222222}
{"post_id":"lopw67","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":1.0,"history":"What do you call it when you have a rocket and you need a certain amount of fuel to lift it to space, but then you need more fuel to lift that fuel to space, and then fuel to lift that fuel, etc? Also, how do you figure out how much fuel you need?","c_root_id_A":"go7v45s","c_root_id_B":"go7rtib","created_at_utc_A":1613907180,"created_at_utc_B":1613903845,"score_A":9,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"The Rocket Equation xD","human_ref_B":"You can use series approximations to mathematically come up with an answer if you know how much extra fuel is required to lift any additional fuel. A simple example would be that a rocket needs 100 fuel to lift it off the ground, then requires half of the additional fuel to lift that fuel. So 100 to lift the rocket, then 50 to lift the 100, then 25 to lift the 50, then 12.5 to lift the 25, etc. This would eventually converge to 200 fuel total.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3335.0,"score_ratio":1.125}
{"post_id":"r1bsvz","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"What is your opinion on sales engineering? I am an ME student and have the option of doing internships as a company representative or other roles in sales. I am neither a great speaker nor am I an extrovert. Should I take the internship? Is sales engineering better (money-wise) in the long run than technical roles?","c_root_id_A":"hm01n47","c_root_id_B":"hlz4b1o","created_at_utc_A":1637818174,"created_at_utc_B":1637802108,"score_A":6,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Start technical for 2-5 years, then you can consider some of these other roles. This will open many doors.  If you don\u2019t gain technical experience first  1) You likely won\u2019t have a good feel for how products work and their limitations, what your customers care about, or their development process. I hate working with those sales engineers.  2) You\u2019ll have a really hard time getting a technical job later on, or any role that leans on past technical experience. This can be limiting from a career perspective","human_ref_B":"More of a non traditional engineering role. I still think it's pretty cool though and you still need a good technical understanding of the product. Can make good money too.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":16066.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"r1bsvz","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"What is your opinion on sales engineering? I am an ME student and have the option of doing internships as a company representative or other roles in sales. I am neither a great speaker nor am I an extrovert. Should I take the internship? Is sales engineering better (money-wise) in the long run than technical roles?","c_root_id_A":"hm01n47","c_root_id_B":"hlzz9ij","created_at_utc_A":1637818174,"created_at_utc_B":1637816838,"score_A":6,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Start technical for 2-5 years, then you can consider some of these other roles. This will open many doors.  If you don\u2019t gain technical experience first  1) You likely won\u2019t have a good feel for how products work and their limitations, what your customers care about, or their development process. I hate working with those sales engineers.  2) You\u2019ll have a really hard time getting a technical job later on, or any role that leans on past technical experience. This can be limiting from a career perspective","human_ref_B":"It's boring.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1336.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"5wefdc","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Could you teach a clever enough high school grad to do you job with on the job training or is what is learned during university a necessary prerequisite?","c_root_id_A":"de9gtms","c_root_id_B":"de9gghy","created_at_utc_A":1488167600,"created_at_utc_B":1488167043,"score_A":41,"score_B":20,"human_ref_A":"I am an engineer without a college degree.   Anything can be learned on the job, or via other \"unofficial\" avenues. *Anything.*  **However:** It is extremely easy to get incorrect information, bad advice, or simply overlook things entirely through sheer ignorance. If you intend to learn things on your own you need to be exceptionally proactive, and you need to be absolutely merciless when vetting the quality of your sources. You might also find that some of the more obscure information is held only by individuals in academia, and you must go to them whether or not it's through official channels.  The advantage of a college degree is that the curriculum has been thoroughly vetted by thousands upon thousands of people over centuries to provide a good base on which to build your knowledge.  If you're thinking about going it alone, I wholeheartedly recommend reconsidering and getting a degree.","human_ref_B":"A few guys I previously worked with received no college education, but they where machinists that worked their way up. It's possible, but from my guess it seemed it took them a long time to get where they were.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":557.0,"score_ratio":2.05}
{"post_id":"5wefdc","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Could you teach a clever enough high school grad to do you job with on the job training or is what is learned during university a necessary prerequisite?","c_root_id_A":"de9pt3v","c_root_id_B":"de9gghy","created_at_utc_A":1488185466,"created_at_utc_B":1488167043,"score_A":39,"score_B":20,"human_ref_A":"Yes and no.  Some of the best engineers I've known haven't had engineering degrees. It's rare now but I know guys who rose up through the ranks as machinists, tool makers or similar and made the jump to engineer.   I think that path is actually harder though. School is shortcut to an engineering job and does force you to practice some of the more isoteric subjects you probably won't get exposure to OTJ.  What makes an engineer is not the schooling or pedigree but the mindset and problem solving approach, you can learn this many different ways. School is probably the fastest way to jumpstart that.","human_ref_B":"A few guys I previously worked with received no college education, but they where machinists that worked their way up. It's possible, but from my guess it seemed it took them a long time to get where they were.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":18423.0,"score_ratio":1.95}
{"post_id":"5wefdc","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Could you teach a clever enough high school grad to do you job with on the job training or is what is learned during university a necessary prerequisite?","c_root_id_A":"de9if4a","c_root_id_B":"de9pt3v","created_at_utc_A":1488170059,"created_at_utc_B":1488185466,"score_A":9,"score_B":39,"human_ref_A":"Whatever the answer is, many companies won't let you do engineering work without a degree, so the question is frequently moot.","human_ref_B":"Yes and no.  Some of the best engineers I've known haven't had engineering degrees. It's rare now but I know guys who rose up through the ranks as machinists, tool makers or similar and made the jump to engineer.   I think that path is actually harder though. School is shortcut to an engineering job and does force you to practice some of the more isoteric subjects you probably won't get exposure to OTJ.  What makes an engineer is not the schooling or pedigree but the mindset and problem solving approach, you can learn this many different ways. School is probably the fastest way to jumpstart that.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":15407.0,"score_ratio":4.3333333333}
{"post_id":"5wefdc","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Could you teach a clever enough high school grad to do you job with on the job training or is what is learned during university a necessary prerequisite?","c_root_id_A":"de9iv1j","c_root_id_B":"de9pt3v","created_at_utc_A":1488170759,"created_at_utc_B":1488185466,"score_A":8,"score_B":39,"human_ref_A":"I can teach you to mimic some of the mundane calculations or problem solving I do on regular basis. But that's just it, imitation. What makes me good at my job isn't the things my companies trained me to do, most reasonably intelligent people can learn that. I perform well because I go beyond that to solve tough issues that the company itself hasn't found the solution to. I can do that because I have broad foundational knowledge in areas like corrosion, materials property, fluid dynamics, heat transfer\/thermodynamics, and critical thinking ability. There are problems a person without a degree, or at least equivalent exposure to the same amount of knowledge, won't be able to solve, because they don't even know about the tools that they don't have in their tool box.","human_ref_B":"Yes and no.  Some of the best engineers I've known haven't had engineering degrees. It's rare now but I know guys who rose up through the ranks as machinists, tool makers or similar and made the jump to engineer.   I think that path is actually harder though. School is shortcut to an engineering job and does force you to practice some of the more isoteric subjects you probably won't get exposure to OTJ.  What makes an engineer is not the schooling or pedigree but the mindset and problem solving approach, you can learn this many different ways. School is probably the fastest way to jumpstart that.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":14707.0,"score_ratio":4.875}
{"post_id":"5wefdc","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Could you teach a clever enough high school grad to do you job with on the job training or is what is learned during university a necessary prerequisite?","c_root_id_A":"de9pt3v","c_root_id_B":"de9mn13","created_at_utc_A":1488185466,"created_at_utc_B":1488177426,"score_A":39,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Yes and no.  Some of the best engineers I've known haven't had engineering degrees. It's rare now but I know guys who rose up through the ranks as machinists, tool makers or similar and made the jump to engineer.   I think that path is actually harder though. School is shortcut to an engineering job and does force you to practice some of the more isoteric subjects you probably won't get exposure to OTJ.  What makes an engineer is not the schooling or pedigree but the mindset and problem solving approach, you can learn this many different ways. School is probably the fastest way to jumpstart that.","human_ref_B":"If they were clever enough? Sure.  This isn't a problem of ones capacity necessarily. I'll also assume this person has the drive - that's something universities tend to help weed out (people that give up too easily\/quickly or aren't willing to put the effort in). The problem is one of time.  It takes me ~1 month to get a new candidate fully settled and about 3 months or so for them to reach full productivity. That's teaching someone with a degree and experience to do my job which then transitions into mentor-ship. If I need to teach them fundamentals along the way - just so we can communicate, that's going to take time and that's going to be expensive.  Practically - such a hire would be high risk and high on-boarding cost when compared to hiring candidates that have accredited degrees and\/or experience.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8040.0,"score_ratio":13.0}
{"post_id":"5wefdc","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Could you teach a clever enough high school grad to do you job with on the job training or is what is learned during university a necessary prerequisite?","c_root_id_A":"de9h5xm","c_root_id_B":"de9pt3v","created_at_utc_A":1488168122,"created_at_utc_B":1488185466,"score_A":4,"score_B":39,"human_ref_A":"I'm a senior so I don't have the work experience but I would think that they would never have the same level of understanding that a good college student would have. Unless they fully committed to it. It takes a lot of studying to understand. Some students take 4-6 years in the subject and still misunderstand some or a lot of the concepts. That being said, I think they could would do fine at the job they were trained at. It would be very hard to change jobs.","human_ref_B":"Yes and no.  Some of the best engineers I've known haven't had engineering degrees. It's rare now but I know guys who rose up through the ranks as machinists, tool makers or similar and made the jump to engineer.   I think that path is actually harder though. School is shortcut to an engineering job and does force you to practice some of the more isoteric subjects you probably won't get exposure to OTJ.  What makes an engineer is not the schooling or pedigree but the mindset and problem solving approach, you can learn this many different ways. School is probably the fastest way to jumpstart that.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":17344.0,"score_ratio":9.75}
{"post_id":"5wefdc","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Could you teach a clever enough high school grad to do you job with on the job training or is what is learned during university a necessary prerequisite?","c_root_id_A":"de9iv1j","c_root_id_B":"de9xduf","created_at_utc_A":1488170759,"created_at_utc_B":1488204921,"score_A":8,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"I can teach you to mimic some of the mundane calculations or problem solving I do on regular basis. But that's just it, imitation. What makes me good at my job isn't the things my companies trained me to do, most reasonably intelligent people can learn that. I perform well because I go beyond that to solve tough issues that the company itself hasn't found the solution to. I can do that because I have broad foundational knowledge in areas like corrosion, materials property, fluid dynamics, heat transfer\/thermodynamics, and critical thinking ability. There are problems a person without a degree, or at least equivalent exposure to the same amount of knowledge, won't be able to solve, because they don't even know about the tools that they don't have in their tool box.","human_ref_B":"Yes but I would worry that without theory they could miss something. It would be OK if they stuck to what they knew but a lot of my top moments in my career were from remembering something I randomly remembered from a class.  I would not recommend this career approach for a high schooler. You don't want to be a smart 40 year old with a 25 year old boss who makes twice as much because of a piece of paper.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":34162.0,"score_ratio":1.125}
{"post_id":"5wefdc","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Could you teach a clever enough high school grad to do you job with on the job training or is what is learned during university a necessary prerequisite?","c_root_id_A":"de9rx9r","c_root_id_B":"de9xduf","created_at_utc_A":1488192146,"created_at_utc_B":1488204921,"score_A":6,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Sure for the basics.   I work as a design engineer in a metal shop. Overall 95% of what I do is, however....  the training in college is what I use for the 5% when it doesn't fit nicely into the box.   If you don't have that foundation, you won't be able to succeed when a genuine solution is required. (Beyond just making something) You have to have the maths to be able to describe why it works.","human_ref_B":"Yes but I would worry that without theory they could miss something. It would be OK if they stuck to what they knew but a lot of my top moments in my career were from remembering something I randomly remembered from a class.  I would not recommend this career approach for a high schooler. You don't want to be a smart 40 year old with a 25 year old boss who makes twice as much because of a piece of paper.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":12775.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"5wefdc","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Could you teach a clever enough high school grad to do you job with on the job training or is what is learned during university a necessary prerequisite?","c_root_id_A":"de9xduf","c_root_id_B":"de9syrr","created_at_utc_A":1488204921,"created_at_utc_B":1488195434,"score_A":9,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Yes but I would worry that without theory they could miss something. It would be OK if they stuck to what they knew but a lot of my top moments in my career were from remembering something I randomly remembered from a class.  I would not recommend this career approach for a high schooler. You don't want to be a smart 40 year old with a 25 year old boss who makes twice as much because of a piece of paper.","human_ref_B":"Yes, but it would take 1.5 to 2x the amount of time to get you to the same level as an entry level engineer who had gone to college.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9487.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"5wefdc","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Could you teach a clever enough high school grad to do you job with on the job training or is what is learned during university a necessary prerequisite?","c_root_id_A":"de9mn13","c_root_id_B":"de9xduf","created_at_utc_A":1488177426,"created_at_utc_B":1488204921,"score_A":3,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"If they were clever enough? Sure.  This isn't a problem of ones capacity necessarily. I'll also assume this person has the drive - that's something universities tend to help weed out (people that give up too easily\/quickly or aren't willing to put the effort in). The problem is one of time.  It takes me ~1 month to get a new candidate fully settled and about 3 months or so for them to reach full productivity. That's teaching someone with a degree and experience to do my job which then transitions into mentor-ship. If I need to teach them fundamentals along the way - just so we can communicate, that's going to take time and that's going to be expensive.  Practically - such a hire would be high risk and high on-boarding cost when compared to hiring candidates that have accredited degrees and\/or experience.","human_ref_B":"Yes but I would worry that without theory they could miss something. It would be OK if they stuck to what they knew but a lot of my top moments in my career were from remembering something I randomly remembered from a class.  I would not recommend this career approach for a high schooler. You don't want to be a smart 40 year old with a 25 year old boss who makes twice as much because of a piece of paper.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":27495.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"5wefdc","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Could you teach a clever enough high school grad to do you job with on the job training or is what is learned during university a necessary prerequisite?","c_root_id_A":"de9h5xm","c_root_id_B":"de9xduf","created_at_utc_A":1488168122,"created_at_utc_B":1488204921,"score_A":4,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"I'm a senior so I don't have the work experience but I would think that they would never have the same level of understanding that a good college student would have. Unless they fully committed to it. It takes a lot of studying to understand. Some students take 4-6 years in the subject and still misunderstand some or a lot of the concepts. That being said, I think they could would do fine at the job they were trained at. It would be very hard to change jobs.","human_ref_B":"Yes but I would worry that without theory they could miss something. It would be OK if they stuck to what they knew but a lot of my top moments in my career were from remembering something I randomly remembered from a class.  I would not recommend this career approach for a high schooler. You don't want to be a smart 40 year old with a 25 year old boss who makes twice as much because of a piece of paper.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":36799.0,"score_ratio":2.25}
{"post_id":"5wefdc","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Could you teach a clever enough high school grad to do you job with on the job training or is what is learned during university a necessary prerequisite?","c_root_id_A":"de9h5xm","c_root_id_B":"de9if4a","created_at_utc_A":1488168122,"created_at_utc_B":1488170059,"score_A":4,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"I'm a senior so I don't have the work experience but I would think that they would never have the same level of understanding that a good college student would have. Unless they fully committed to it. It takes a lot of studying to understand. Some students take 4-6 years in the subject and still misunderstand some or a lot of the concepts. That being said, I think they could would do fine at the job they were trained at. It would be very hard to change jobs.","human_ref_B":"Whatever the answer is, many companies won't let you do engineering work without a degree, so the question is frequently moot.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1937.0,"score_ratio":2.25}
{"post_id":"5wefdc","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Could you teach a clever enough high school grad to do you job with on the job training or is what is learned during university a necessary prerequisite?","c_root_id_A":"de9iv1j","c_root_id_B":"de9h5xm","created_at_utc_A":1488170759,"created_at_utc_B":1488168122,"score_A":8,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I can teach you to mimic some of the mundane calculations or problem solving I do on regular basis. But that's just it, imitation. What makes me good at my job isn't the things my companies trained me to do, most reasonably intelligent people can learn that. I perform well because I go beyond that to solve tough issues that the company itself hasn't found the solution to. I can do that because I have broad foundational knowledge in areas like corrosion, materials property, fluid dynamics, heat transfer\/thermodynamics, and critical thinking ability. There are problems a person without a degree, or at least equivalent exposure to the same amount of knowledge, won't be able to solve, because they don't even know about the tools that they don't have in their tool box.","human_ref_B":"I'm a senior so I don't have the work experience but I would think that they would never have the same level of understanding that a good college student would have. Unless they fully committed to it. It takes a lot of studying to understand. Some students take 4-6 years in the subject and still misunderstand some or a lot of the concepts. That being said, I think they could would do fine at the job they were trained at. It would be very hard to change jobs.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2637.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"5wefdc","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Could you teach a clever enough high school grad to do you job with on the job training or is what is learned during university a necessary prerequisite?","c_root_id_A":"de9rx9r","c_root_id_B":"de9mn13","created_at_utc_A":1488192146,"created_at_utc_B":1488177426,"score_A":6,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Sure for the basics.   I work as a design engineer in a metal shop. Overall 95% of what I do is, however....  the training in college is what I use for the 5% when it doesn't fit nicely into the box.   If you don't have that foundation, you won't be able to succeed when a genuine solution is required. (Beyond just making something) You have to have the maths to be able to describe why it works.","human_ref_B":"If they were clever enough? Sure.  This isn't a problem of ones capacity necessarily. I'll also assume this person has the drive - that's something universities tend to help weed out (people that give up too easily\/quickly or aren't willing to put the effort in). The problem is one of time.  It takes me ~1 month to get a new candidate fully settled and about 3 months or so for them to reach full productivity. That's teaching someone with a degree and experience to do my job which then transitions into mentor-ship. If I need to teach them fundamentals along the way - just so we can communicate, that's going to take time and that's going to be expensive.  Practically - such a hire would be high risk and high on-boarding cost when compared to hiring candidates that have accredited degrees and\/or experience.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":14720.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"5wefdc","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Could you teach a clever enough high school grad to do you job with on the job training or is what is learned during university a necessary prerequisite?","c_root_id_A":"de9h5xm","c_root_id_B":"de9rx9r","created_at_utc_A":1488168122,"created_at_utc_B":1488192146,"score_A":4,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"I'm a senior so I don't have the work experience but I would think that they would never have the same level of understanding that a good college student would have. Unless they fully committed to it. It takes a lot of studying to understand. Some students take 4-6 years in the subject and still misunderstand some or a lot of the concepts. That being said, I think they could would do fine at the job they were trained at. It would be very hard to change jobs.","human_ref_B":"Sure for the basics.   I work as a design engineer in a metal shop. Overall 95% of what I do is, however....  the training in college is what I use for the 5% when it doesn't fit nicely into the box.   If you don't have that foundation, you won't be able to succeed when a genuine solution is required. (Beyond just making something) You have to have the maths to be able to describe why it works.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":24024.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"5wefdc","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Could you teach a clever enough high school grad to do you job with on the job training or is what is learned during university a necessary prerequisite?","c_root_id_A":"de9syrr","c_root_id_B":"de9mn13","created_at_utc_A":1488195434,"created_at_utc_B":1488177426,"score_A":6,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Yes, but it would take 1.5 to 2x the amount of time to get you to the same level as an entry level engineer who had gone to college.","human_ref_B":"If they were clever enough? Sure.  This isn't a problem of ones capacity necessarily. I'll also assume this person has the drive - that's something universities tend to help weed out (people that give up too easily\/quickly or aren't willing to put the effort in). The problem is one of time.  It takes me ~1 month to get a new candidate fully settled and about 3 months or so for them to reach full productivity. That's teaching someone with a degree and experience to do my job which then transitions into mentor-ship. If I need to teach them fundamentals along the way - just so we can communicate, that's going to take time and that's going to be expensive.  Practically - such a hire would be high risk and high on-boarding cost when compared to hiring candidates that have accredited degrees and\/or experience.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":18008.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"5wefdc","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Could you teach a clever enough high school grad to do you job with on the job training or is what is learned during university a necessary prerequisite?","c_root_id_A":"de9h5xm","c_root_id_B":"de9syrr","created_at_utc_A":1488168122,"created_at_utc_B":1488195434,"score_A":4,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"I'm a senior so I don't have the work experience but I would think that they would never have the same level of understanding that a good college student would have. Unless they fully committed to it. It takes a lot of studying to understand. Some students take 4-6 years in the subject and still misunderstand some or a lot of the concepts. That being said, I think they could would do fine at the job they were trained at. It would be very hard to change jobs.","human_ref_B":"Yes, but it would take 1.5 to 2x the amount of time to get you to the same level as an entry level engineer who had gone to college.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":27312.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"5wefdc","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Could you teach a clever enough high school grad to do you job with on the job training or is what is learned during university a necessary prerequisite?","c_root_id_A":"de9z2t9","c_root_id_B":"de9mn13","created_at_utc_A":1488207458,"created_at_utc_B":1488177426,"score_A":6,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I think the greatest thing i ever learned in school was how to design something. The iterative process, the idea generation, the setting up metrics and weighing them so you can tease out the best decision. Things like that are never taught on the job or at least if they are it would be pretty similar to school. I mean there are so many free online courses now that you could learn anything but thats basically school you just wouldnt have a diploma if the company requires it.","human_ref_B":"If they were clever enough? Sure.  This isn't a problem of ones capacity necessarily. I'll also assume this person has the drive - that's something universities tend to help weed out (people that give up too easily\/quickly or aren't willing to put the effort in). The problem is one of time.  It takes me ~1 month to get a new candidate fully settled and about 3 months or so for them to reach full productivity. That's teaching someone with a degree and experience to do my job which then transitions into mentor-ship. If I need to teach them fundamentals along the way - just so we can communicate, that's going to take time and that's going to be expensive.  Practically - such a hire would be high risk and high on-boarding cost when compared to hiring candidates that have accredited degrees and\/or experience.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":30032.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"5wefdc","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Could you teach a clever enough high school grad to do you job with on the job training or is what is learned during university a necessary prerequisite?","c_root_id_A":"de9h5xm","c_root_id_B":"de9z2t9","created_at_utc_A":1488168122,"created_at_utc_B":1488207458,"score_A":4,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"I'm a senior so I don't have the work experience but I would think that they would never have the same level of understanding that a good college student would have. Unless they fully committed to it. It takes a lot of studying to understand. Some students take 4-6 years in the subject and still misunderstand some or a lot of the concepts. That being said, I think they could would do fine at the job they were trained at. It would be very hard to change jobs.","human_ref_B":"I think the greatest thing i ever learned in school was how to design something. The iterative process, the idea generation, the setting up metrics and weighing them so you can tease out the best decision. Things like that are never taught on the job or at least if they are it would be pretty similar to school. I mean there are so many free online courses now that you could learn anything but thats basically school you just wouldnt have a diploma if the company requires it.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":39336.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"oe4oy9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"Can engineers be blacklisted or blackballed for reporting that a building is unsafe? Is that why they are afraid of whistleblowing?","c_root_id_A":"h44cr0m","c_root_id_B":"h44k9li","created_at_utc_A":1625486094,"created_at_utc_B":1625491491,"score_A":22,"score_B":86,"human_ref_A":"Yes, an engineer can be blackballed but if they are a shitty engineer or a horrible employee.    An engineer will not get blackballed for doing their job.  Most engineers that have a PE would most likely report or record anything that appears to be under designed or unsafe.   That being said, if I\u2019m walking by a building and notice a crack, how would I know if it was unsafe or going to fail?  Most building that are built from concrete or steel are \u201cover designed\u201d due to code requirements (LRFD for concrete or steel and ASD for steel).  I\u2019ve seen many structures with exposed rebar without any issues.  To determine if it was unsafe or under designed, an engineer would need to see the plans to see the rebar, concrete thickness, and etc.  Most experienced structural engineers can make an assumption just by looking at the plans depending on applications.  Additional calculations will be needed to confirm.  That being said, I design water and wastewater plants and have seen concrete separation on elevated slabs with very big pumps on the slab.  When I saw this, I told the client this is an issue and needs to be dealt with sooner rather than later.  By the way, this separation has been there for at least 20 years for a structure that was built in the 1960\u2019s.","human_ref_B":"In the US, engineers are legally bound to report dangerous conditions. We\u2019re not here to make friends.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5397.0,"score_ratio":3.9090909091}
{"post_id":"oe4oy9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"Can engineers be blacklisted or blackballed for reporting that a building is unsafe? Is that why they are afraid of whistleblowing?","c_root_id_A":"h44k9li","c_root_id_B":"h44bcrx","created_at_utc_A":1625491491,"created_at_utc_B":1625484920,"score_A":86,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"In the US, engineers are legally bound to report dangerous conditions. We\u2019re not here to make friends.","human_ref_B":"One reason I won't even consider joining Enginers Australia is their disgusting treatment of an engineer who pointed out that a sewage outlet design (by some EA memebers) was substandard.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6571.0,"score_ratio":17.2}
{"post_id":"oe4oy9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"Can engineers be blacklisted or blackballed for reporting that a building is unsafe? Is that why they are afraid of whistleblowing?","c_root_id_A":"h44msiz","c_root_id_B":"h44cr0m","created_at_utc_A":1625493046,"created_at_utc_B":1625486094,"score_A":31,"score_B":22,"human_ref_A":"We have a duty to the public ahead of our own employment.","human_ref_B":"Yes, an engineer can be blackballed but if they are a shitty engineer or a horrible employee.    An engineer will not get blackballed for doing their job.  Most engineers that have a PE would most likely report or record anything that appears to be under designed or unsafe.   That being said, if I\u2019m walking by a building and notice a crack, how would I know if it was unsafe or going to fail?  Most building that are built from concrete or steel are \u201cover designed\u201d due to code requirements (LRFD for concrete or steel and ASD for steel).  I\u2019ve seen many structures with exposed rebar without any issues.  To determine if it was unsafe or under designed, an engineer would need to see the plans to see the rebar, concrete thickness, and etc.  Most experienced structural engineers can make an assumption just by looking at the plans depending on applications.  Additional calculations will be needed to confirm.  That being said, I design water and wastewater plants and have seen concrete separation on elevated slabs with very big pumps on the slab.  When I saw this, I told the client this is an issue and needs to be dealt with sooner rather than later.  By the way, this separation has been there for at least 20 years for a structure that was built in the 1960\u2019s.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6952.0,"score_ratio":1.4090909091}
{"post_id":"oe4oy9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"Can engineers be blacklisted or blackballed for reporting that a building is unsafe? Is that why they are afraid of whistleblowing?","c_root_id_A":"h44msiz","c_root_id_B":"h44bcrx","created_at_utc_A":1625493046,"created_at_utc_B":1625484920,"score_A":31,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"We have a duty to the public ahead of our own employment.","human_ref_B":"One reason I won't even consider joining Enginers Australia is their disgusting treatment of an engineer who pointed out that a sewage outlet design (by some EA memebers) was substandard.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8126.0,"score_ratio":6.2}
{"post_id":"oe4oy9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"Can engineers be blacklisted or blackballed for reporting that a building is unsafe? Is that why they are afraid of whistleblowing?","c_root_id_A":"h44bcrx","c_root_id_B":"h44cr0m","created_at_utc_A":1625484920,"created_at_utc_B":1625486094,"score_A":5,"score_B":22,"human_ref_A":"One reason I won't even consider joining Enginers Australia is their disgusting treatment of an engineer who pointed out that a sewage outlet design (by some EA memebers) was substandard.","human_ref_B":"Yes, an engineer can be blackballed but if they are a shitty engineer or a horrible employee.    An engineer will not get blackballed for doing their job.  Most engineers that have a PE would most likely report or record anything that appears to be under designed or unsafe.   That being said, if I\u2019m walking by a building and notice a crack, how would I know if it was unsafe or going to fail?  Most building that are built from concrete or steel are \u201cover designed\u201d due to code requirements (LRFD for concrete or steel and ASD for steel).  I\u2019ve seen many structures with exposed rebar without any issues.  To determine if it was unsafe or under designed, an engineer would need to see the plans to see the rebar, concrete thickness, and etc.  Most experienced structural engineers can make an assumption just by looking at the plans depending on applications.  Additional calculations will be needed to confirm.  That being said, I design water and wastewater plants and have seen concrete separation on elevated slabs with very big pumps on the slab.  When I saw this, I told the client this is an issue and needs to be dealt with sooner rather than later.  By the way, this separation has been there for at least 20 years for a structure that was built in the 1960\u2019s.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1174.0,"score_ratio":4.4}
{"post_id":"oe4oy9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"Can engineers be blacklisted or blackballed for reporting that a building is unsafe? Is that why they are afraid of whistleblowing?","c_root_id_A":"h451wn7","c_root_id_B":"h44uzcl","created_at_utc_A":1625501093,"created_at_utc_B":1625497566,"score_A":22,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"I'm sorry to inform you that politics plays a role in engineering. Saying a building is not safe for habitation is a major decision that will receive scrutiny. The greater the economic consequence of that decision, the more scrutiny it will receive. As the complexity increases, there are fewer people with the competence or basic information to question those who find things safe. This was best exemplified with the Chrysler Building in New York City in my opinion. (Sorry, this was the Citigroup Center. See keithcody comment.)  More generally there is a gradation between reliable and at risk of imminent collapse. News stories tend to make this more black and white than it is in real life.","human_ref_B":"What evidence do you have that engineers are afraid of whistleblowing?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3527.0,"score_ratio":2.2}
{"post_id":"oe4oy9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"Can engineers be blacklisted or blackballed for reporting that a building is unsafe? Is that why they are afraid of whistleblowing?","c_root_id_A":"h44bcrx","c_root_id_B":"h451wn7","created_at_utc_A":1625484920,"created_at_utc_B":1625501093,"score_A":5,"score_B":22,"human_ref_A":"One reason I won't even consider joining Enginers Australia is their disgusting treatment of an engineer who pointed out that a sewage outlet design (by some EA memebers) was substandard.","human_ref_B":"I'm sorry to inform you that politics plays a role in engineering. Saying a building is not safe for habitation is a major decision that will receive scrutiny. The greater the economic consequence of that decision, the more scrutiny it will receive. As the complexity increases, there are fewer people with the competence or basic information to question those who find things safe. This was best exemplified with the Chrysler Building in New York City in my opinion. (Sorry, this was the Citigroup Center. See keithcody comment.)  More generally there is a gradation between reliable and at risk of imminent collapse. News stories tend to make this more black and white than it is in real life.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":16173.0,"score_ratio":4.4}
{"post_id":"oe4oy9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"Can engineers be blacklisted or blackballed for reporting that a building is unsafe? Is that why they are afraid of whistleblowing?","c_root_id_A":"h44uzcl","c_root_id_B":"h44bcrx","created_at_utc_A":1625497566,"created_at_utc_B":1625484920,"score_A":10,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"What evidence do you have that engineers are afraid of whistleblowing?","human_ref_B":"One reason I won't even consider joining Enginers Australia is their disgusting treatment of an engineer who pointed out that a sewage outlet design (by some EA memebers) was substandard.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":12646.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"rv99nv","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Has anyone worked with close friends? I work at a very small consulting company. I introduced the owner of the company to one of my close friends (a fellow engineer, I've known since college. He was initially a roommate and became a very close friend). The friend is currently on the job hunt, having told  my boss this, he was impressed by friend's technical knowledge and is considering offering my friend a job. If my friend joined up, we would work largely on different projects, but collaborate together on occasion.   The friend and I have concerns that working together would strain the friendship. Being engineers we are stubborn, while respecting one another's talents and skills.   Has anyone worked with a close friend? How has it ended?","c_root_id_A":"hr3yc40","c_root_id_B":"hr415ny","created_at_utc_A":1641237396,"created_at_utc_B":1641238415,"score_A":8,"score_B":18,"human_ref_A":"Personally, yes I have, even worked alongside romantic and former romantic partners. For me it's always fine. Work is work, outside of work is outside of work.   I don't see how my experience will be applicable to your situation at all.","human_ref_B":"Yeah, had multiple college friends including my best friend who was my college housemate work in the same department at my first company. Three of us (best friend and another college friend) shared a rental house for four years until we started splitting off doing different things. It works fine.  Try to avoid working on the same projects when possible, and when you are on the same stuff just be mindful. It can work fine, even great.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1019.0,"score_ratio":2.25}
{"post_id":"rv99nv","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Has anyone worked with close friends? I work at a very small consulting company. I introduced the owner of the company to one of my close friends (a fellow engineer, I've known since college. He was initially a roommate and became a very close friend). The friend is currently on the job hunt, having told  my boss this, he was impressed by friend's technical knowledge and is considering offering my friend a job. If my friend joined up, we would work largely on different projects, but collaborate together on occasion.   The friend and I have concerns that working together would strain the friendship. Being engineers we are stubborn, while respecting one another's talents and skills.   Has anyone worked with a close friend? How has it ended?","c_root_id_A":"hr418qx","c_root_id_B":"hr3yc40","created_at_utc_A":1641238446,"created_at_utc_B":1641237396,"score_A":17,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"> The friend and I have concerns that working together would strain the friendship  Why do you think so? Especially if you'd only be collaborating on occasion?","human_ref_B":"Personally, yes I have, even worked alongside romantic and former romantic partners. For me it's always fine. Work is work, outside of work is outside of work.   I don't see how my experience will be applicable to your situation at all.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1050.0,"score_ratio":2.125}
{"post_id":"rv99nv","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Has anyone worked with close friends? I work at a very small consulting company. I introduced the owner of the company to one of my close friends (a fellow engineer, I've known since college. He was initially a roommate and became a very close friend). The friend is currently on the job hunt, having told  my boss this, he was impressed by friend's technical knowledge and is considering offering my friend a job. If my friend joined up, we would work largely on different projects, but collaborate together on occasion.   The friend and I have concerns that working together would strain the friendship. Being engineers we are stubborn, while respecting one another's talents and skills.   Has anyone worked with a close friend? How has it ended?","c_root_id_A":"hr43m4y","c_root_id_B":"hr425lv","created_at_utc_A":1641239326,"created_at_utc_B":1641238781,"score_A":8,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"I currently work at a very small consulting firm with one of my good friends who got me the job. There have never been any issues, going on 4 years. We primarily work on our own projects but collaborate often. It sounds like our situations are very similar.   It will largely depend on your personalities, your ability to communicate with one another, and how stressful your job is. There is always room to adjust in the future if need be.","human_ref_B":"A friend from college got hired by the same company, but different location.  I was at corp, he was at a satellite location.  No one knew we knew each other.  He\u2019d give me the background story about their problems so I\u2019d look like a genius when I came in to help. In exchange I helped him navigate out system to get things done.   Made us both look good, but didn\u2019t stumble into unethical.  I also dated\/married a coworker from a different company.  I resigned the same week I proposed.  We didn\u2019t both want to be out of a job if the company went kaput.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":545.0,"score_ratio":1.1428571429}
{"post_id":"rv99nv","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Has anyone worked with close friends? I work at a very small consulting company. I introduced the owner of the company to one of my close friends (a fellow engineer, I've known since college. He was initially a roommate and became a very close friend). The friend is currently on the job hunt, having told  my boss this, he was impressed by friend's technical knowledge and is considering offering my friend a job. If my friend joined up, we would work largely on different projects, but collaborate together on occasion.   The friend and I have concerns that working together would strain the friendship. Being engineers we are stubborn, while respecting one another's talents and skills.   Has anyone worked with a close friend? How has it ended?","c_root_id_A":"hr4wdb5","c_root_id_B":"hr4oy0b","created_at_utc_A":1641250396,"created_at_utc_B":1641247465,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"My best friend whom I\u2019ve known since middle school (were in our mid 20s now) got me a job at the company he works with. We actually ended up being on the same project (still are). Additionally he has since moved to an apartment a few blocks away from me. I see him all day everyday and we have a few tasks that we work together on. Their is no strain on our relationship and it\u2019s actually awesome working with your best friend.","human_ref_B":"I worked with a fellow engineer and friend for a year. We supported each other as humans, as engineers and as friends. We took different paths after, but remain close. I would def work with him again, it was a great learning and collaborative experience.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2931.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"rv99nv","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Has anyone worked with close friends? I work at a very small consulting company. I introduced the owner of the company to one of my close friends (a fellow engineer, I've known since college. He was initially a roommate and became a very close friend). The friend is currently on the job hunt, having told  my boss this, he was impressed by friend's technical knowledge and is considering offering my friend a job. If my friend joined up, we would work largely on different projects, but collaborate together on occasion.   The friend and I have concerns that working together would strain the friendship. Being engineers we are stubborn, while respecting one another's talents and skills.   Has anyone worked with a close friend? How has it ended?","c_root_id_A":"hr5zzum","c_root_id_B":"hr4oy0b","created_at_utc_A":1641266893,"created_at_utc_B":1641247465,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"My work colleagues have become my closest friends. Some solid for decades. I very much enjoy working with friends. I even took a chance and married one 35 years ago. Our shared work ethic has helped the marriage immeasurably.  YMMV","human_ref_B":"I worked with a fellow engineer and friend for a year. We supported each other as humans, as engineers and as friends. We took different paths after, but remain close. I would def work with him again, it was a great learning and collaborative experience.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":19428.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"rv99nv","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Has anyone worked with close friends? I work at a very small consulting company. I introduced the owner of the company to one of my close friends (a fellow engineer, I've known since college. He was initially a roommate and became a very close friend). The friend is currently on the job hunt, having told  my boss this, he was impressed by friend's technical knowledge and is considering offering my friend a job. If my friend joined up, we would work largely on different projects, but collaborate together on occasion.   The friend and I have concerns that working together would strain the friendship. Being engineers we are stubborn, while respecting one another's talents and skills.   Has anyone worked with a close friend? How has it ended?","c_root_id_A":"hr5zzum","c_root_id_B":"hr53stb","created_at_utc_A":1641266893,"created_at_utc_B":1641253420,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"My work colleagues have become my closest friends. Some solid for decades. I very much enjoy working with friends. I even took a chance and married one 35 years ago. Our shared work ethic has helped the marriage immeasurably.  YMMV","human_ref_B":"I made friends with a few other interns when I did my internship. One of them stayed on at the company immediately after that, and I came back a few years later. We work on the same projects occasionally, but because I am electrical and she is civil we don't usually work closely on those projects. It's been fine for us!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":13473.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"rv99nv","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Has anyone worked with close friends? I work at a very small consulting company. I introduced the owner of the company to one of my close friends (a fellow engineer, I've known since college. He was initially a roommate and became a very close friend). The friend is currently on the job hunt, having told  my boss this, he was impressed by friend's technical knowledge and is considering offering my friend a job. If my friend joined up, we would work largely on different projects, but collaborate together on occasion.   The friend and I have concerns that working together would strain the friendship. Being engineers we are stubborn, while respecting one another's talents and skills.   Has anyone worked with a close friend? How has it ended?","c_root_id_A":"hr5zzum","c_root_id_B":"hr5c7au","created_at_utc_A":1641266893,"created_at_utc_B":1641256915,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"My work colleagues have become my closest friends. Some solid for decades. I very much enjoy working with friends. I even took a chance and married one 35 years ago. Our shared work ethic has helped the marriage immeasurably.  YMMV","human_ref_B":"I've worked with friends almost exclusively unless there was too large of an opportunity elsewhere. And I've made new friends in those places. Go for it, and always respect and help your friend out.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9978.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"rv99nv","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Has anyone worked with close friends? I work at a very small consulting company. I introduced the owner of the company to one of my close friends (a fellow engineer, I've known since college. He was initially a roommate and became a very close friend). The friend is currently on the job hunt, having told  my boss this, he was impressed by friend's technical knowledge and is considering offering my friend a job. If my friend joined up, we would work largely on different projects, but collaborate together on occasion.   The friend and I have concerns that working together would strain the friendship. Being engineers we are stubborn, while respecting one another's talents and skills.   Has anyone worked with a close friend? How has it ended?","c_root_id_A":"hr5igdi","c_root_id_B":"hr5zzum","created_at_utc_A":1641259542,"created_at_utc_B":1641266893,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"If you two have the emotional intelligence to keep work separate from taking things personally, and have decent communication why not?   I'd also ask yourself the flip - What if you become good friends with somebody you work with?","human_ref_B":"My work colleagues have become my closest friends. Some solid for decades. I very much enjoy working with friends. I even took a chance and married one 35 years ago. Our shared work ethic has helped the marriage immeasurably.  YMMV","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7351.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"rv99nv","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Has anyone worked with close friends? I work at a very small consulting company. I introduced the owner of the company to one of my close friends (a fellow engineer, I've known since college. He was initially a roommate and became a very close friend). The friend is currently on the job hunt, having told  my boss this, he was impressed by friend's technical knowledge and is considering offering my friend a job. If my friend joined up, we would work largely on different projects, but collaborate together on occasion.   The friend and I have concerns that working together would strain the friendship. Being engineers we are stubborn, while respecting one another's talents and skills.   Has anyone worked with a close friend? How has it ended?","c_root_id_A":"hr5zzum","c_root_id_B":"hr5qv4w","created_at_utc_A":1641266893,"created_at_utc_B":1641263021,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"My work colleagues have become my closest friends. Some solid for decades. I very much enjoy working with friends. I even took a chance and married one 35 years ago. Our shared work ethic has helped the marriage immeasurably.  YMMV","human_ref_B":"Had to demote a good friend. Friendship ended as soon as I became his boss, though.  It still pains me to this day.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3872.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"omxpro","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Anyone else have some embarrassing work stories? Just had an embarrassing moment at work, where I gave a big presentation, but got caught like deer in headlights during questions in front of a lot of coworkers. Feel so embarrassed. Need to commiserate.","c_root_id_A":"h5omkl5","c_root_id_B":"h5o93ts","created_at_utc_A":1626646664,"created_at_utc_B":1626640639,"score_A":47,"score_B":21,"human_ref_A":"You mean like the time I was giving a presentation and a hemorroid burst and I was literally bleeding out my ass while I tried to keep my cool and finish the presentation only to later learn that as I left the stage the back of my (khaki) pants had a red smear right up the middle?","human_ref_B":"I once gave an emergency presentation to very fancy folk after working three days straight and wearing a three day old Scooby Doo t-shirt. We all have our moments.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6025.0,"score_ratio":2.2380952381}
{"post_id":"omxpro","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Anyone else have some embarrassing work stories? Just had an embarrassing moment at work, where I gave a big presentation, but got caught like deer in headlights during questions in front of a lot of coworkers. Feel so embarrassed. Need to commiserate.","c_root_id_A":"h5omkl5","c_root_id_B":"h5ojzvy","created_at_utc_A":1626646664,"created_at_utc_B":1626645506,"score_A":47,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"You mean like the time I was giving a presentation and a hemorroid burst and I was literally bleeding out my ass while I tried to keep my cool and finish the presentation only to later learn that as I left the stage the back of my (khaki) pants had a red smear right up the middle?","human_ref_B":"I choose not to be embarrassed about crying in my boss's office. I'm glad I kept it down to just tearing up in the CEO's office though.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1158.0,"score_ratio":6.7142857143}
{"post_id":"omxpro","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Anyone else have some embarrassing work stories? Just had an embarrassing moment at work, where I gave a big presentation, but got caught like deer in headlights during questions in front of a lot of coworkers. Feel so embarrassed. Need to commiserate.","c_root_id_A":"h5o93ts","c_root_id_B":"h5ook3v","created_at_utc_A":1626640639,"created_at_utc_B":1626647581,"score_A":21,"score_B":24,"human_ref_A":"I once gave an emergency presentation to very fancy folk after working three days straight and wearing a three day old Scooby Doo t-shirt. We all have our moments.","human_ref_B":"At my first job, I accidentally let it slip during a telecon that the client's request would be hard. It was indeed hard (reverse-engineering their CATIA assembly which didn't really work to determine testing requirements after we built the damn thing), but I was not skilled enough at the time to know the \"diplomatic\" way of wording that. I also crippled a multimillion Euro prototype airplane on that same project. Good thing that company was desperate enough for staff that I didn't get fired...","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6942.0,"score_ratio":1.1428571429}
{"post_id":"omxpro","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Anyone else have some embarrassing work stories? Just had an embarrassing moment at work, where I gave a big presentation, but got caught like deer in headlights during questions in front of a lot of coworkers. Feel so embarrassed. Need to commiserate.","c_root_id_A":"h5ook3v","c_root_id_B":"h5ojzvy","created_at_utc_A":1626647581,"created_at_utc_B":1626645506,"score_A":24,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"At my first job, I accidentally let it slip during a telecon that the client's request would be hard. It was indeed hard (reverse-engineering their CATIA assembly which didn't really work to determine testing requirements after we built the damn thing), but I was not skilled enough at the time to know the \"diplomatic\" way of wording that. I also crippled a multimillion Euro prototype airplane on that same project. Good thing that company was desperate enough for staff that I didn't get fired...","human_ref_B":"I choose not to be embarrassed about crying in my boss's office. I'm glad I kept it down to just tearing up in the CEO's office though.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2075.0,"score_ratio":3.4285714286}
{"post_id":"omxpro","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Anyone else have some embarrassing work stories? Just had an embarrassing moment at work, where I gave a big presentation, but got caught like deer in headlights during questions in front of a lot of coworkers. Feel so embarrassed. Need to commiserate.","c_root_id_A":"h5ojzvy","c_root_id_B":"h5p60nl","created_at_utc_A":1626645506,"created_at_utc_B":1626656005,"score_A":7,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"I choose not to be embarrassed about crying in my boss's office. I'm glad I kept it down to just tearing up in the CEO's office though.","human_ref_B":"I was out at a customer site with one other vision engineer, we were swapping out cameras on the line and ensuring the software triggered properly when it came back online. We deployed the program, had the onsite support personnel take it out of PLC bypass, and waited for the next part to come into the station.   Part gets there, lights and camera trigger, program outputs a 'PASS'. Cool, it's working. Except... the part doesn't leave after the result was broadcasted. 30 seconds go by, 1 minute goes by... my coworker informs the PLC guy that something's not quite right. He checks his end of things, says he received the vision result and doesn't see what's wrong. He puts vision back into bypass, but the part doesn't budge. 5 minutes go by, 10 minutes... suddenly we have 2 maintenance techs show up. 20 minutes... a supervisor shows up with 3 more techs in tow. There's a horde of plant staff now surrounding us, checking everything up- and down-stream of the station. 30 minutes... a newly-arrived tech adjusts an unprotected proximity sensor on the side of the line. Suddenly the station roars to life and releases the part, and production resumes normally. The tech walks up to me and whispers, \"I saw when you were changing the camera, you uh... backed up into that sensor. Just wanted to let you know.\"    So yeah. My bodacious booty badonkadonk'd a sensor out of place and brought production to a standstill for 30 minutes.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10499.0,"score_ratio":2.4285714286}
{"post_id":"omxpro","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Anyone else have some embarrassing work stories? Just had an embarrassing moment at work, where I gave a big presentation, but got caught like deer in headlights during questions in front of a lot of coworkers. Feel so embarrassed. Need to commiserate.","c_root_id_A":"h5ojzvy","c_root_id_B":"h5ovxrs","created_at_utc_A":1626645506,"created_at_utc_B":1626651068,"score_A":7,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"I choose not to be embarrassed about crying in my boss's office. I'm glad I kept it down to just tearing up in the CEO's office though.","human_ref_B":"Yeah. You recover and learn from it. Bonus points if you get to hear about your mistake every single working day for 2 years until you can't stand it anymore and leave for a company that pays twice as much.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5562.0,"score_ratio":2.4285714286}
{"post_id":"omxpro","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Anyone else have some embarrassing work stories? Just had an embarrassing moment at work, where I gave a big presentation, but got caught like deer in headlights during questions in front of a lot of coworkers. Feel so embarrassed. Need to commiserate.","c_root_id_A":"h5pcruf","c_root_id_B":"h5ojzvy","created_at_utc_A":1626659376,"created_at_utc_B":1626645506,"score_A":9,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"I was at a customer site with a bunch of their managers, and I kept saying we would keep our drawings in the suppository.  I must have said it five times before this gal finally started chuckling and I realized I was not saying repository.  Then I inadvertently said it again.","human_ref_B":"I choose not to be embarrassed about crying in my boss's office. I'm glad I kept it down to just tearing up in the CEO's office though.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":13870.0,"score_ratio":1.2857142857}
{"post_id":"omxpro","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Anyone else have some embarrassing work stories? Just had an embarrassing moment at work, where I gave a big presentation, but got caught like deer in headlights during questions in front of a lot of coworkers. Feel so embarrassed. Need to commiserate.","c_root_id_A":"h5pnbfv","c_root_id_B":"h5ojzvy","created_at_utc_A":1626664989,"created_at_utc_B":1626645506,"score_A":8,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"My shopping list got mixed into a stack of papers I was preparing to present to City Council, and got scanned and distributed to everyone. They all just had a chuckle about it in the meeting but I was quite embarrassed.","human_ref_B":"I choose not to be embarrassed about crying in my boss's office. I'm glad I kept it down to just tearing up in the CEO's office though.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":19483.0,"score_ratio":1.1428571429}
{"post_id":"omxpro","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Anyone else have some embarrassing work stories? Just had an embarrassing moment at work, where I gave a big presentation, but got caught like deer in headlights during questions in front of a lot of coworkers. Feel so embarrassed. Need to commiserate.","c_root_id_A":"h5qj21t","c_root_id_B":"h5pw8f8","created_at_utc_A":1626689616,"created_at_utc_B":1626670561,"score_A":6,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I released the magic smoke from a tape drive, filling the room with dense smoke.  Problem was, the room was across the hall from a running nuclear reactor.","human_ref_B":"I gave a presentation about the development of  my test program to the engineering VP, who was visiting from Germany. All while wearing my polo shirt inside out.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":19055.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"omxpro","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Anyone else have some embarrassing work stories? Just had an embarrassing moment at work, where I gave a big presentation, but got caught like deer in headlights during questions in front of a lot of coworkers. Feel so embarrassed. Need to commiserate.","c_root_id_A":"h5qj21t","c_root_id_B":"h5q9d3l","created_at_utc_A":1626689616,"created_at_utc_B":1626680983,"score_A":6,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I released the magic smoke from a tape drive, filling the room with dense smoke.  Problem was, the room was across the hall from a running nuclear reactor.","human_ref_B":"My very first task when I graduated was for the head of engineering for my firm. He wanted me to analyse a time history set of data for FX, FY, FZ, MX, MY, MZ of a structure under seismic load and write some VBA script.  I went away, worked on it for a couple of weeks, and came back with something like \u201cthe answer is 5\u201d.  Turns out all I\u2019d done is analyse the first line of the  time history! So he knew the value at 0.01 seconds, before the earthquake has actually really started.  It didn\u2019t take too long to extrapolate for the whole set, but I felt like such an idiot going back to him after 2 weeks of work with such an obviously wrong answer.  I learned the lesson; ask questions freely and often!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8633.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"omxpro","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Anyone else have some embarrassing work stories? Just had an embarrassing moment at work, where I gave a big presentation, but got caught like deer in headlights during questions in front of a lot of coworkers. Feel so embarrassed. Need to commiserate.","c_root_id_A":"h5r10xz","c_root_id_B":"h5qq2lc","created_at_utc_A":1626701554,"created_at_utc_B":1626695066,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I have ADHD and regularly can't remember basic shit. Part of it is anxiety, part is ADHD, part is actually not knowing. (I was diagnosed only a couple years ago, at 31, so I'm still working on ADHD \"hacks\")   Nothing says \"I feel like shit\" like having gone to a great University and being unable to articulate your thoughts so you coworkers think you're stupid.","human_ref_B":"Was doing high voltage testing in front of a client. Went into the test bay to redo some cables, stood up quickly right into an open cabinet door. Woke up with my boss and said clients standing over me.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6488.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"kw9czj","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Nuclear Engineers, what\u2019s your average day look like? It\u2019s all in the title. Is your day mostly ho-hum? Have any interesting stories? How much risk is there in what you do day to day?","c_root_id_A":"gj3s9hv","c_root_id_B":"gj3lpv7","created_at_utc_A":1610539567,"created_at_utc_B":1610533224,"score_A":39,"score_B":23,"human_ref_A":"I spend a large part of my day wondering why my undergrad only needed one introductory thermo and fluids class","human_ref_B":"Does fusion count? Thought to be less dangerous than fission and not proper power.  But still, nothing crazy interesting. Sometimes design work in an office. Sometimes writing reports. Writing commissioning\/testing procedures. Working in the control room operating our plant. I get exposure to a few different things but some people will specialise more or do completely different things.   Risk is practically nothing. Any risk is from standard hazards such as slips\/trips\/falls. If you\u2019re asking about risk from a nuclear\/radiological perspective, the most anyone ever got on our site is <2 mSv, and average is more like <5 uSv for those involved in ops.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6343.0,"score_ratio":1.6956521739}
{"post_id":"kw9czj","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Nuclear Engineers, what\u2019s your average day look like? It\u2019s all in the title. Is your day mostly ho-hum? Have any interesting stories? How much risk is there in what you do day to day?","c_root_id_A":"gj3s9hv","c_root_id_B":"gj3kwij","created_at_utc_A":1610539567,"created_at_utc_B":1610532373,"score_A":39,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"I spend a large part of my day wondering why my undergrad only needed one introductory thermo and fluids class","human_ref_B":"I feel Hollywood makes our job more exciting","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7194.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"kw9czj","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Nuclear Engineers, what\u2019s your average day look like? It\u2019s all in the title. Is your day mostly ho-hum? Have any interesting stories? How much risk is there in what you do day to day?","c_root_id_A":"gj3kwij","c_root_id_B":"gj3lpv7","created_at_utc_A":1610532373,"created_at_utc_B":1610533224,"score_A":13,"score_B":23,"human_ref_A":"I feel Hollywood makes our job more exciting","human_ref_B":"Does fusion count? Thought to be less dangerous than fission and not proper power.  But still, nothing crazy interesting. Sometimes design work in an office. Sometimes writing reports. Writing commissioning\/testing procedures. Working in the control room operating our plant. I get exposure to a few different things but some people will specialise more or do completely different things.   Risk is practically nothing. Any risk is from standard hazards such as slips\/trips\/falls. If you\u2019re asking about risk from a nuclear\/radiological perspective, the most anyone ever got on our site is <2 mSv, and average is more like <5 uSv for those involved in ops.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":851.0,"score_ratio":1.7692307692}
{"post_id":"kw9czj","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Nuclear Engineers, what\u2019s your average day look like? It\u2019s all in the title. Is your day mostly ho-hum? Have any interesting stories? How much risk is there in what you do day to day?","c_root_id_A":"gj3kwij","c_root_id_B":"gj3z1ev","created_at_utc_A":1610532373,"created_at_utc_B":1610544674,"score_A":13,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"I feel Hollywood makes our job more exciting","human_ref_B":"I left Nuclear in 2017, but here was my experience for the last couple of months following a fun & exciting *corporate initiative* to cut 10% of maintenance costs across the board:   Hating plant management because they decided to ignore your justification and scrap 80% of the PMs on your managed system while they continue to hold you totally accountable for any system failures or downtime that occurs as a direct result of failing to perform the preventative maintenance they deemed \u201cnot necessary\u201d.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":12301.0,"score_ratio":1.1538461538}
{"post_id":"ij3vqq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Nuclear power: good, bad, or does it depend? Personally, I think LFTRs and SMRs are the future of nuclear energy; but I\u2019m very new to the engineering scene and I want to see what real engineers have to say about this.","c_root_id_A":"g3b6ymj","c_root_id_B":"g3b9ffq","created_at_utc_A":1598752747,"created_at_utc_B":1598754224,"score_A":28,"score_B":80,"human_ref_A":"Unfortunately there's the logical answer, and there's the emotional answer.  Like the fact that it's a MRI and not Nuclear MRI.  Same machine, different name.  Folks don't like \"nuclear\".    I think from the scientific standpoint, in totality, nuclear is great... especially when compared to the alternatives.","human_ref_B":"I mean in terms of energy it's the best option we have. Nuclear produces an insane amount of energy in a relatively small space and has 0 emissions. The only negative side is the issue of what to do with the waste. Most plants were designed to keep all the waste inside the plant in pools. However, with many of them getting their licenses renewed for 20+ more years, they're running out of space.   Luckily there has been a lot of thought and design into this issue. One solution is to put the spent rods inside a concrete tube, seal it shut, then put it into a steel tube and weld that shut. It can then literally just be left outside and will cause no harm to the environment. They're even rated to withstand tremendous amounts of force, and have been stress tested by being involved in train accidents.   Another option, which was proposed and I believe the government passed a bill for it many years ago, was to bury all of the waste in a huge repository at Yucca Mountain in the middle of the desert in Nevada. Progress on that halted after a lot of backlash though.   Accidents are rare, and the worst ones we've seen in history can be boiled down to really stupid design flaws or human error. Regulations quickly fixed all of that though.   The rest is all politics. Lots of people are scared of it. I'm sure some of that has to do with propaganda surrounding some other certain energy industries but that's another conversation.   I had an interview with a company that makes nuclear submarines. At the shipyard, they pointed out that the Navy had a sub in the water and it may or may not be \"hot\" (i.e. running the nuclear engine), and there's no way to tell unless you're on the sub. They said the people in the community are terrified of  the nearby nuclear power plants but have no idea that the Navy is running the same tech in their own back yard.. got a chuckle out of that one.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1477.0,"score_ratio":2.8571428571}
{"post_id":"ij3vqq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Nuclear power: good, bad, or does it depend? Personally, I think LFTRs and SMRs are the future of nuclear energy; but I\u2019m very new to the engineering scene and I want to see what real engineers have to say about this.","c_root_id_A":"g3b9ffq","c_root_id_B":"g3b7232","created_at_utc_A":1598754224,"created_at_utc_B":1598752804,"score_A":80,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"I mean in terms of energy it's the best option we have. Nuclear produces an insane amount of energy in a relatively small space and has 0 emissions. The only negative side is the issue of what to do with the waste. Most plants were designed to keep all the waste inside the plant in pools. However, with many of them getting their licenses renewed for 20+ more years, they're running out of space.   Luckily there has been a lot of thought and design into this issue. One solution is to put the spent rods inside a concrete tube, seal it shut, then put it into a steel tube and weld that shut. It can then literally just be left outside and will cause no harm to the environment. They're even rated to withstand tremendous amounts of force, and have been stress tested by being involved in train accidents.   Another option, which was proposed and I believe the government passed a bill for it many years ago, was to bury all of the waste in a huge repository at Yucca Mountain in the middle of the desert in Nevada. Progress on that halted after a lot of backlash though.   Accidents are rare, and the worst ones we've seen in history can be boiled down to really stupid design flaws or human error. Regulations quickly fixed all of that though.   The rest is all politics. Lots of people are scared of it. I'm sure some of that has to do with propaganda surrounding some other certain energy industries but that's another conversation.   I had an interview with a company that makes nuclear submarines. At the shipyard, they pointed out that the Navy had a sub in the water and it may or may not be \"hot\" (i.e. running the nuclear engine), and there's no way to tell unless you're on the sub. They said the people in the community are terrified of  the nearby nuclear power plants but have no idea that the Navy is running the same tech in their own back yard.. got a chuckle out of that one.","human_ref_B":"Non-engineering, but economically, at least for the US, extremely cheap natural gas has all but destroyed nuclear power. There are a few new nuclear projects that are heavily supported by the federal government, but otherwise we'll see a massive contraction of nuclear power in the US in the next 5 years. Technologically, it's great if not a bit complicated for what it does.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1420.0,"score_ratio":6.6666666667}
{"post_id":"ij3vqq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Nuclear power: good, bad, or does it depend? Personally, I think LFTRs and SMRs are the future of nuclear energy; but I\u2019m very new to the engineering scene and I want to see what real engineers have to say about this.","c_root_id_A":"g3b9ffq","c_root_id_B":"g3b24is","created_at_utc_A":1598754224,"created_at_utc_B":1598749826,"score_A":80,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I mean in terms of energy it's the best option we have. Nuclear produces an insane amount of energy in a relatively small space and has 0 emissions. The only negative side is the issue of what to do with the waste. Most plants were designed to keep all the waste inside the plant in pools. However, with many of them getting their licenses renewed for 20+ more years, they're running out of space.   Luckily there has been a lot of thought and design into this issue. One solution is to put the spent rods inside a concrete tube, seal it shut, then put it into a steel tube and weld that shut. It can then literally just be left outside and will cause no harm to the environment. They're even rated to withstand tremendous amounts of force, and have been stress tested by being involved in train accidents.   Another option, which was proposed and I believe the government passed a bill for it many years ago, was to bury all of the waste in a huge repository at Yucca Mountain in the middle of the desert in Nevada. Progress on that halted after a lot of backlash though.   Accidents are rare, and the worst ones we've seen in history can be boiled down to really stupid design flaws or human error. Regulations quickly fixed all of that though.   The rest is all politics. Lots of people are scared of it. I'm sure some of that has to do with propaganda surrounding some other certain energy industries but that's another conversation.   I had an interview with a company that makes nuclear submarines. At the shipyard, they pointed out that the Navy had a sub in the water and it may or may not be \"hot\" (i.e. running the nuclear engine), and there's no way to tell unless you're on the sub. They said the people in the community are terrified of  the nearby nuclear power plants but have no idea that the Navy is running the same tech in their own back yard.. got a chuckle out of that one.","human_ref_B":"Thorium reactors according to andrew yang were very promising with little trade offs.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4398.0,"score_ratio":40.0}
{"post_id":"ij3vqq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Nuclear power: good, bad, or does it depend? Personally, I think LFTRs and SMRs are the future of nuclear energy; but I\u2019m very new to the engineering scene and I want to see what real engineers have to say about this.","c_root_id_A":"g3b6ymj","c_root_id_B":"g3b24is","created_at_utc_A":1598752747,"created_at_utc_B":1598749826,"score_A":28,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Unfortunately there's the logical answer, and there's the emotional answer.  Like the fact that it's a MRI and not Nuclear MRI.  Same machine, different name.  Folks don't like \"nuclear\".    I think from the scientific standpoint, in totality, nuclear is great... especially when compared to the alternatives.","human_ref_B":"Thorium reactors according to andrew yang were very promising with little trade offs.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2921.0,"score_ratio":14.0}
{"post_id":"ij3vqq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Nuclear power: good, bad, or does it depend? Personally, I think LFTRs and SMRs are the future of nuclear energy; but I\u2019m very new to the engineering scene and I want to see what real engineers have to say about this.","c_root_id_A":"g3b24is","c_root_id_B":"g3b7232","created_at_utc_A":1598749826,"created_at_utc_B":1598752804,"score_A":2,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"Thorium reactors according to andrew yang were very promising with little trade offs.","human_ref_B":"Non-engineering, but economically, at least for the US, extremely cheap natural gas has all but destroyed nuclear power. There are a few new nuclear projects that are heavily supported by the federal government, but otherwise we'll see a massive contraction of nuclear power in the US in the next 5 years. Technologically, it's great if not a bit complicated for what it does.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2978.0,"score_ratio":6.0}
{"post_id":"ij3vqq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Nuclear power: good, bad, or does it depend? Personally, I think LFTRs and SMRs are the future of nuclear energy; but I\u2019m very new to the engineering scene and I want to see what real engineers have to say about this.","c_root_id_A":"g3bd6s1","c_root_id_B":"g3bk1pq","created_at_utc_A":1598756513,"created_at_utc_B":1598760905,"score_A":11,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"It's not good, it's great. I might even say it's the best. My plant should be able to secure a second license extension and run for 80 years. When I say should i'm weighing the technical with the financial. Hopefully the economics of it work out. Would be a shame to lose 800 MWe at our capacity factor, we'll go breaker to breaker this current cycle.","human_ref_B":"I work in solar and wind energy. Despite that, I will admit that well done nuclear is an amazingly good source of energy.  Even with the accidents that have happened, the comparisons of the death toll for different energy sources has nuclear as the safest source of energy by far.   https:\/\/ourworldindata.org\/grapher\/death-rates-from-energy-production-per-twh?time=2014","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4392.0,"score_ratio":1.0909090909}
{"post_id":"ij3vqq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Nuclear power: good, bad, or does it depend? Personally, I think LFTRs and SMRs are the future of nuclear energy; but I\u2019m very new to the engineering scene and I want to see what real engineers have to say about this.","c_root_id_A":"g3bk1pq","c_root_id_B":"g3b24is","created_at_utc_A":1598760905,"created_at_utc_B":1598749826,"score_A":12,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I work in solar and wind energy. Despite that, I will admit that well done nuclear is an amazingly good source of energy.  Even with the accidents that have happened, the comparisons of the death toll for different energy sources has nuclear as the safest source of energy by far.   https:\/\/ourworldindata.org\/grapher\/death-rates-from-energy-production-per-twh?time=2014","human_ref_B":"Thorium reactors according to andrew yang were very promising with little trade offs.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":11079.0,"score_ratio":6.0}
{"post_id":"ij3vqq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Nuclear power: good, bad, or does it depend? Personally, I think LFTRs and SMRs are the future of nuclear energy; but I\u2019m very new to the engineering scene and I want to see what real engineers have to say about this.","c_root_id_A":"g3bd6s1","c_root_id_B":"g3b24is","created_at_utc_A":1598756513,"created_at_utc_B":1598749826,"score_A":11,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"It's not good, it's great. I might even say it's the best. My plant should be able to secure a second license extension and run for 80 years. When I say should i'm weighing the technical with the financial. Hopefully the economics of it work out. Would be a shame to lose 800 MWe at our capacity factor, we'll go breaker to breaker this current cycle.","human_ref_B":"Thorium reactors according to andrew yang were very promising with little trade offs.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6687.0,"score_ratio":5.5}
{"post_id":"ij3vqq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Nuclear power: good, bad, or does it depend? Personally, I think LFTRs and SMRs are the future of nuclear energy; but I\u2019m very new to the engineering scene and I want to see what real engineers have to say about this.","c_root_id_A":"g3bkp3r","c_root_id_B":"g3b24is","created_at_utc_A":1598761350,"created_at_utc_B":1598749826,"score_A":8,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"The good:  -Reliable: Nuclear power is reliable, having a consistent power output that isn't affected easily by weather.  -Powerful: Nuclear power produces an incredible amount of energy for its footprint  -Clean Emissions: Relatively clean compared to most energy generation. No emissions like coal or NG.  -Safe: Despite media hype, nuclear power is actually pretty safe. It took a huge earthquake AND a massive tsunami to damage a reactor bad enough to cause an issue (one that an engineer actually argued should be factored in, but was over ruled by greedy scum suckers). Takes large natural disasters to fail due to incredible fail safes in place.  The bad:  -Expensive: It takes a large amount of capital to build and operate nuclear plants. Requires large staff to operate safely.  -Security: If someone breaks into a solar or wind farm, the worst they can do is sabotage the power. If someone breaks into a nuclear plant, they could steal some dangerous materials. Requires a lot of security (and usually has it)  -Waste: Nuclear waste is incredibly dangerous and takes millennia to not be dangerous. New technologies are rising up to help mitigate, but best answer is basically \"bury the radioactive waste in the desert\" which... isn't ideal.  -Time: Takes many years to secure permits and build facilities. Numerous fail safes and contingencies make it take a long time to build one plant, and we would need dozens of thousands.  -PR: Nobody wants a nuclear reactor in their backyard, much less the waste storage.","human_ref_B":"Thorium reactors according to andrew yang were very promising with little trade offs.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":11524.0,"score_ratio":4.0}
{"post_id":"ij3vqq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Nuclear power: good, bad, or does it depend? Personally, I think LFTRs and SMRs are the future of nuclear energy; but I\u2019m very new to the engineering scene and I want to see what real engineers have to say about this.","c_root_id_A":"g3bkesn","c_root_id_B":"g3bkp3r","created_at_utc_A":1598761151,"created_at_utc_B":1598761350,"score_A":2,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"I think so as well, but first it has to happen.  I used to be strictly anti-nuclear, but I have softened my position. If we are going to decarbonize transportation, nuclear power plants producing hydrogen from either water or urea  (or both) appear to be the best chance we have. Powering ships and planes with batteries is not practical; there isn't enough lithium on earth to fulfill the need. Hydrogen would work, but the renewable energy capacity of the world would be hard pressed to meet that need on top of powering our electricity needs. But if we had nuclear power plants that could produce hydrogen, that might just give us a path to decarbonizing our transportation systems.","human_ref_B":"The good:  -Reliable: Nuclear power is reliable, having a consistent power output that isn't affected easily by weather.  -Powerful: Nuclear power produces an incredible amount of energy for its footprint  -Clean Emissions: Relatively clean compared to most energy generation. No emissions like coal or NG.  -Safe: Despite media hype, nuclear power is actually pretty safe. It took a huge earthquake AND a massive tsunami to damage a reactor bad enough to cause an issue (one that an engineer actually argued should be factored in, but was over ruled by greedy scum suckers). Takes large natural disasters to fail due to incredible fail safes in place.  The bad:  -Expensive: It takes a large amount of capital to build and operate nuclear plants. Requires large staff to operate safely.  -Security: If someone breaks into a solar or wind farm, the worst they can do is sabotage the power. If someone breaks into a nuclear plant, they could steal some dangerous materials. Requires a lot of security (and usually has it)  -Waste: Nuclear waste is incredibly dangerous and takes millennia to not be dangerous. New technologies are rising up to help mitigate, but best answer is basically \"bury the radioactive waste in the desert\" which... isn't ideal.  -Time: Takes many years to secure permits and build facilities. Numerous fail safes and contingencies make it take a long time to build one plant, and we would need dozens of thousands.  -PR: Nobody wants a nuclear reactor in their backyard, much less the waste storage.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":199.0,"score_ratio":4.0}
{"post_id":"ij3vqq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Nuclear power: good, bad, or does it depend? Personally, I think LFTRs and SMRs are the future of nuclear energy; but I\u2019m very new to the engineering scene and I want to see what real engineers have to say about this.","c_root_id_A":"g3bp4vr","c_root_id_B":"g3c0urg","created_at_utc_A":1598764655,"created_at_utc_B":1598774995,"score_A":4,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"A lot of good comments already made so I won\u2019t repeat them.  IMO, nuclear power needs some streamlining and pre-approval of a few modern designs.  Newer designs are safer and cost effective, but not many companies are wanting to pay for the approval process and red tape.  It\u2019s kind of like airplanes.  There aren\u2019t very many new designs because the cost for a new design is so high compared to iterating on old designs.  I think nuclear power can be part of the solution, but not the solution.","human_ref_B":"If you're asking an engineer, the answer is ALWAYS it depends.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10340.0,"score_ratio":1.75}
{"post_id":"ij3vqq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Nuclear power: good, bad, or does it depend? Personally, I think LFTRs and SMRs are the future of nuclear energy; but I\u2019m very new to the engineering scene and I want to see what real engineers have to say about this.","c_root_id_A":"g3c0urg","c_root_id_B":"g3b24is","created_at_utc_A":1598774995,"created_at_utc_B":1598749826,"score_A":7,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"If you're asking an engineer, the answer is ALWAYS it depends.","human_ref_B":"Thorium reactors according to andrew yang were very promising with little trade offs.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":25169.0,"score_ratio":3.5}
{"post_id":"ij3vqq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Nuclear power: good, bad, or does it depend? Personally, I think LFTRs and SMRs are the future of nuclear energy; but I\u2019m very new to the engineering scene and I want to see what real engineers have to say about this.","c_root_id_A":"g3bkesn","c_root_id_B":"g3c0urg","created_at_utc_A":1598761151,"created_at_utc_B":1598774995,"score_A":2,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"I think so as well, but first it has to happen.  I used to be strictly anti-nuclear, but I have softened my position. If we are going to decarbonize transportation, nuclear power plants producing hydrogen from either water or urea  (or both) appear to be the best chance we have. Powering ships and planes with batteries is not practical; there isn't enough lithium on earth to fulfill the need. Hydrogen would work, but the renewable energy capacity of the world would be hard pressed to meet that need on top of powering our electricity needs. But if we had nuclear power plants that could produce hydrogen, that might just give us a path to decarbonizing our transportation systems.","human_ref_B":"If you're asking an engineer, the answer is ALWAYS it depends.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":13844.0,"score_ratio":3.5}
{"post_id":"ij3vqq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Nuclear power: good, bad, or does it depend? Personally, I think LFTRs and SMRs are the future of nuclear energy; but I\u2019m very new to the engineering scene and I want to see what real engineers have to say about this.","c_root_id_A":"g3c0urg","c_root_id_B":"g3byas5","created_at_utc_A":1598774995,"created_at_utc_B":1598772526,"score_A":7,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"If you're asking an engineer, the answer is ALWAYS it depends.","human_ref_B":"I think it's great. Very green energy.     Re: Waste: It nothing compared to coal or even solar panels. Plus you can use it for RTG's or reprocess it for more nuclear fuel.     Re: Safety: With great energy density comes great safety risks. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater, manage those risks. It's much more preferable than being a luddite.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2469.0,"score_ratio":3.5}
{"post_id":"ij3vqq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Nuclear power: good, bad, or does it depend? Personally, I think LFTRs and SMRs are the future of nuclear energy; but I\u2019m very new to the engineering scene and I want to see what real engineers have to say about this.","c_root_id_A":"g3bp4vr","c_root_id_B":"g3b24is","created_at_utc_A":1598764655,"created_at_utc_B":1598749826,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"A lot of good comments already made so I won\u2019t repeat them.  IMO, nuclear power needs some streamlining and pre-approval of a few modern designs.  Newer designs are safer and cost effective, but not many companies are wanting to pay for the approval process and red tape.  It\u2019s kind of like airplanes.  There aren\u2019t very many new designs because the cost for a new design is so high compared to iterating on old designs.  I think nuclear power can be part of the solution, but not the solution.","human_ref_B":"Thorium reactors according to andrew yang were very promising with little trade offs.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":14829.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"ij3vqq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Nuclear power: good, bad, or does it depend? Personally, I think LFTRs and SMRs are the future of nuclear energy; but I\u2019m very new to the engineering scene and I want to see what real engineers have to say about this.","c_root_id_A":"g3bp4vr","c_root_id_B":"g3bkesn","created_at_utc_A":1598764655,"created_at_utc_B":1598761151,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"A lot of good comments already made so I won\u2019t repeat them.  IMO, nuclear power needs some streamlining and pre-approval of a few modern designs.  Newer designs are safer and cost effective, but not many companies are wanting to pay for the approval process and red tape.  It\u2019s kind of like airplanes.  There aren\u2019t very many new designs because the cost for a new design is so high compared to iterating on old designs.  I think nuclear power can be part of the solution, but not the solution.","human_ref_B":"I think so as well, but first it has to happen.  I used to be strictly anti-nuclear, but I have softened my position. If we are going to decarbonize transportation, nuclear power plants producing hydrogen from either water or urea  (or both) appear to be the best chance we have. Powering ships and planes with batteries is not practical; there isn't enough lithium on earth to fulfill the need. Hydrogen would work, but the renewable energy capacity of the world would be hard pressed to meet that need on top of powering our electricity needs. But if we had nuclear power plants that could produce hydrogen, that might just give us a path to decarbonizing our transportation systems.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3504.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"78r664","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Electrical Engineers of reddit. Street Lamp Question Always been meaning to ask this. At night when I walk by certain street lamps, why do they turn off?","c_root_id_A":"dow0kvy","c_root_id_B":"dow7x2w","created_at_utc_A":1508969966,"created_at_utc_B":1508978756,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Do they all turn off or just the one?  https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Sodium-vapor_lamp#End_of_life","human_ref_B":"If the street light in question is a kind of golden\/orange color, it's a high pressure sodium lighting system. One of the characteristics of this system is that as the lamp approaches the end of lamp life it will cycle on and off. It could be that you were in the right place at the right time.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8790.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"7db378","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Mechanical Engineers, How much early calculus do you use in your every-day life, like Taylor Series, Polar Coordinates etc.","c_root_id_A":"dpwhxqk","c_root_id_B":"dpwgc59","created_at_utc_A":1510828769,"created_at_utc_B":1510824387,"score_A":76,"score_B":52,"human_ref_A":"By hand, no. With software, few times a week.","human_ref_B":"Less than the sqrt(-1)","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4382.0,"score_ratio":1.4615384615}
{"post_id":"7db378","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Mechanical Engineers, How much early calculus do you use in your every-day life, like Taylor Series, Polar Coordinates etc.","c_root_id_A":"dpwhxqk","c_root_id_B":"dpwhtl4","created_at_utc_A":1510828769,"created_at_utc_B":1510828461,"score_A":76,"score_B":29,"human_ref_A":"By hand, no. With software, few times a week.","human_ref_B":"I find myself using Algebra a TON. But when I fit a curve, or if a continuous curve is known, I fairly frequently do integrals for area and derivatives to find max and min.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":308.0,"score_ratio":2.6206896552}
{"post_id":"7db378","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Mechanical Engineers, How much early calculus do you use in your every-day life, like Taylor Series, Polar Coordinates etc.","c_root_id_A":"dpwhtl4","c_root_id_B":"dpwk6fj","created_at_utc_A":1510828461,"created_at_utc_B":1510834220,"score_A":29,"score_B":35,"human_ref_A":"I find myself using Algebra a TON. But when I fit a curve, or if a continuous curve is known, I fairly frequently do integrals for area and derivatives to find max and min.","human_ref_B":"I always get concerned when I see questions like this. Not to call out OP because I have no idea what his\/her intentions are, but I always fear that it's asked mostly because people want to know how much they \"really\" need to learn, or how much they should be taking their math classes seriously\/paying attention in them. Just as most of your undergrad education is, the biggest tools you should be walking away with, are the skills of how to find information\/research, how to think about problems, etc. Your calculus, linear algebra, diff equations classes are invaluable for how they teach you how to think and how to attack large problems in a methodical way. I've never been disappointed, or felt cheated out of the time I spend learning anything in my beginning math classes.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5759.0,"score_ratio":1.2068965517}
{"post_id":"7db378","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Mechanical Engineers, How much early calculus do you use in your every-day life, like Taylor Series, Polar Coordinates etc.","c_root_id_A":"dpwicyh","c_root_id_B":"dpwk6fj","created_at_utc_A":1510829904,"created_at_utc_B":1510834220,"score_A":4,"score_B":35,"human_ref_A":"Has this changed from the last time this was asked??  I don't even think it's been a week since someone ask this question.","human_ref_B":"I always get concerned when I see questions like this. Not to call out OP because I have no idea what his\/her intentions are, but I always fear that it's asked mostly because people want to know how much they \"really\" need to learn, or how much they should be taking their math classes seriously\/paying attention in them. Just as most of your undergrad education is, the biggest tools you should be walking away with, are the skills of how to find information\/research, how to think about problems, etc. Your calculus, linear algebra, diff equations classes are invaluable for how they teach you how to think and how to attack large problems in a methodical way. I've never been disappointed, or felt cheated out of the time I spend learning anything in my beginning math classes.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4316.0,"score_ratio":8.75}
{"post_id":"7db378","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Mechanical Engineers, How much early calculus do you use in your every-day life, like Taylor Series, Polar Coordinates etc.","c_root_id_A":"dpwk6fj","c_root_id_B":"dpwjrcb","created_at_utc_A":1510834220,"created_at_utc_B":1510833312,"score_A":35,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I always get concerned when I see questions like this. Not to call out OP because I have no idea what his\/her intentions are, but I always fear that it's asked mostly because people want to know how much they \"really\" need to learn, or how much they should be taking their math classes seriously\/paying attention in them. Just as most of your undergrad education is, the biggest tools you should be walking away with, are the skills of how to find information\/research, how to think about problems, etc. Your calculus, linear algebra, diff equations classes are invaluable for how they teach you how to think and how to attack large problems in a methodical way. I've never been disappointed, or felt cheated out of the time I spend learning anything in my beginning math classes.","human_ref_B":"Arithmetic only, tools for everything else which is almost never. I believe they teach you they crazy hard stuff to appreciate all the shortcuts (tools) and their shortcomings.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":908.0,"score_ratio":8.75}
{"post_id":"7db378","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Mechanical Engineers, How much early calculus do you use in your every-day life, like Taylor Series, Polar Coordinates etc.","c_root_id_A":"dpwicyh","c_root_id_B":"dpwl7i5","created_at_utc_A":1510829904,"created_at_utc_B":1510836231,"score_A":4,"score_B":26,"human_ref_A":"Has this changed from the last time this was asked??  I don't even think it's been a week since someone ask this question.","human_ref_B":"I'm aerospace, but other people in my position are mechanical.    If you write simulations then the choice of coordinate systems matters.  Different coordinate systems have different singularities (places where division by zero in a value or its derivative occurs).  I use Taylor series less frequently but probably several times a year.  They can be useful when you want to treat an arbitrary function as a polynomial series.  If you're writing software to optimize things then derivatives are important.  The finite difference method just uses the definition of a derivative (f(x+h) - f(x))\/h) to approximate the derivative of an arbitrary function, and is probably the most common way to get derivatives for optimization.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6327.0,"score_ratio":6.5}
{"post_id":"7db378","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Mechanical Engineers, How much early calculus do you use in your every-day life, like Taylor Series, Polar Coordinates etc.","c_root_id_A":"dpwl7i5","c_root_id_B":"dpwjrcb","created_at_utc_A":1510836231,"created_at_utc_B":1510833312,"score_A":26,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I'm aerospace, but other people in my position are mechanical.    If you write simulations then the choice of coordinate systems matters.  Different coordinate systems have different singularities (places where division by zero in a value or its derivative occurs).  I use Taylor series less frequently but probably several times a year.  They can be useful when you want to treat an arbitrary function as a polynomial series.  If you're writing software to optimize things then derivatives are important.  The finite difference method just uses the definition of a derivative (f(x+h) - f(x))\/h) to approximate the derivative of an arbitrary function, and is probably the most common way to get derivatives for optimization.","human_ref_B":"Arithmetic only, tools for everything else which is almost never. I believe they teach you they crazy hard stuff to appreciate all the shortcuts (tools) and their shortcomings.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2919.0,"score_ratio":6.5}
{"post_id":"7db378","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Mechanical Engineers, How much early calculus do you use in your every-day life, like Taylor Series, Polar Coordinates etc.","c_root_id_A":"dpwlcgl","c_root_id_B":"dpwicyh","created_at_utc_A":1510836481,"created_at_utc_B":1510829904,"score_A":11,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"All the time: Crack propagation essentially is solving integrals. It really depends where you work. If you are in R&D you better know aa lot of math, because everyone around you does, If you are in quality control or production planning, n one cares.","human_ref_B":"Has this changed from the last time this was asked??  I don't even think it's been a week since someone ask this question.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6577.0,"score_ratio":2.75}
{"post_id":"7db378","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Mechanical Engineers, How much early calculus do you use in your every-day life, like Taylor Series, Polar Coordinates etc.","c_root_id_A":"dpwjrcb","c_root_id_B":"dpwlcgl","created_at_utc_A":1510833312,"created_at_utc_B":1510836481,"score_A":4,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"Arithmetic only, tools for everything else which is almost never. I believe they teach you they crazy hard stuff to appreciate all the shortcuts (tools) and their shortcomings.","human_ref_B":"All the time: Crack propagation essentially is solving integrals. It really depends where you work. If you are in R&D you better know aa lot of math, because everyone around you does, If you are in quality control or production planning, n one cares.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3169.0,"score_ratio":2.75}
{"post_id":"7db378","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Mechanical Engineers, How much early calculus do you use in your every-day life, like Taylor Series, Polar Coordinates etc.","c_root_id_A":"dpwm8cy","c_root_id_B":"dpwicyh","created_at_utc_A":1510837974,"created_at_utc_B":1510829904,"score_A":7,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"In 4 years I have used calculus 1 time. It was to determine the three dimensional volume of an oddly shaped solid.","human_ref_B":"Has this changed from the last time this was asked??  I don't even think it's been a week since someone ask this question.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8070.0,"score_ratio":1.75}
{"post_id":"7db378","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Mechanical Engineers, How much early calculus do you use in your every-day life, like Taylor Series, Polar Coordinates etc.","c_root_id_A":"dpwm8cy","c_root_id_B":"dpwjrcb","created_at_utc_A":1510837974,"created_at_utc_B":1510833312,"score_A":7,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"In 4 years I have used calculus 1 time. It was to determine the three dimensional volume of an oddly shaped solid.","human_ref_B":"Arithmetic only, tools for everything else which is almost never. I believe they teach you they crazy hard stuff to appreciate all the shortcuts (tools) and their shortcomings.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4662.0,"score_ratio":1.75}
{"post_id":"7db378","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Mechanical Engineers, How much early calculus do you use in your every-day life, like Taylor Series, Polar Coordinates etc.","c_root_id_A":"dpwicyh","c_root_id_B":"dpwpkaq","created_at_utc_A":1510829904,"created_at_utc_B":1510842576,"score_A":4,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Has this changed from the last time this was asked??  I don't even think it's been a week since someone ask this question.","human_ref_B":"None, I work in HVAC\/Building Energy Consulting and everything is algebra based. I'm sure some of the software I use does some of this automatically but I've never had to manually do calculus on the job.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":12672.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"7db378","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Mechanical Engineers, How much early calculus do you use in your every-day life, like Taylor Series, Polar Coordinates etc.","c_root_id_A":"dpwpkaq","c_root_id_B":"dpwjrcb","created_at_utc_A":1510842576,"created_at_utc_B":1510833312,"score_A":5,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"None, I work in HVAC\/Building Energy Consulting and everything is algebra based. I'm sure some of the software I use does some of this automatically but I've never had to manually do calculus on the job.","human_ref_B":"Arithmetic only, tools for everything else which is almost never. I believe they teach you they crazy hard stuff to appreciate all the shortcuts (tools) and their shortcomings.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9264.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"7db378","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"Mechanical Engineers, How much early calculus do you use in your every-day life, like Taylor Series, Polar Coordinates etc.","c_root_id_A":"dpwot9m","c_root_id_B":"dpwpkaq","created_at_utc_A":1510841650,"created_at_utc_B":1510842576,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"When I was in machine design, I used it just a handful of times.  In the past year and a half of HVAC work, not once.  I just took my PE exam and there wasn't a bit of calculus on there either.","human_ref_B":"None, I work in HVAC\/Building Energy Consulting and everything is algebra based. I'm sure some of the software I use does some of this automatically but I've never had to manually do calculus on the job.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":926.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"feiqe8","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Why do I feel that I didn't learn anything from a 5-year engineer course which is Industrial Eng'g I've been to \"insert name of a top prestigious school in the Philippines\" I feel like in my 5 years stay here I didn't get any practical learning that can be applied in to work.  I feel lost, and then there is one subject here that I am currently taking where the professor randomly discusses the solution of  a practice problem and gave us very difficult examinations. Quarter system sucks, I hope I'll still have a better future in the end.","c_root_id_A":"fjofmlv","c_root_id_B":"fjpef7n","created_at_utc_A":1583526783,"created_at_utc_B":1583548663,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Sounds like you wanted more of a technical degree, not an engineering degree. Engineering school mostly teaches you ways to solve problems, you are supposed to figure out how to use them","human_ref_B":"Uni teaches more engineering theory than engineering practise, you get the practise exp on the job","labels":0,"seconds_difference":21880.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"feiqe8","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Why do I feel that I didn't learn anything from a 5-year engineer course which is Industrial Eng'g I've been to \"insert name of a top prestigious school in the Philippines\" I feel like in my 5 years stay here I didn't get any practical learning that can be applied in to work.  I feel lost, and then there is one subject here that I am currently taking where the professor randomly discusses the solution of  a practice problem and gave us very difficult examinations. Quarter system sucks, I hope I'll still have a better future in the end.","c_root_id_A":"fjpef7n","c_root_id_B":"fjoky5a","created_at_utc_A":1583548663,"created_at_utc_B":1583529841,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Uni teaches more engineering theory than engineering practise, you get the practise exp on the job","human_ref_B":"All university gives you is a foundation. You do t look at a big slab of concrete and think \u201cwhat a nice house\u201d","labels":1,"seconds_difference":18822.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"feiqe8","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Why do I feel that I didn't learn anything from a 5-year engineer course which is Industrial Eng'g I've been to \"insert name of a top prestigious school in the Philippines\" I feel like in my 5 years stay here I didn't get any practical learning that can be applied in to work.  I feel lost, and then there is one subject here that I am currently taking where the professor randomly discusses the solution of  a practice problem and gave us very difficult examinations. Quarter system sucks, I hope I'll still have a better future in the end.","c_root_id_A":"fjoky5a","c_root_id_B":"fjofmlv","created_at_utc_A":1583529841,"created_at_utc_B":1583526783,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"All university gives you is a foundation. You do t look at a big slab of concrete and think \u201cwhat a nice house\u201d","human_ref_B":"Sounds like you wanted more of a technical degree, not an engineering degree. Engineering school mostly teaches you ways to solve problems, you are supposed to figure out how to use them","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3058.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"feiqe8","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Why do I feel that I didn't learn anything from a 5-year engineer course which is Industrial Eng'g I've been to \"insert name of a top prestigious school in the Philippines\" I feel like in my 5 years stay here I didn't get any practical learning that can be applied in to work.  I feel lost, and then there is one subject here that I am currently taking where the professor randomly discusses the solution of  a practice problem and gave us very difficult examinations. Quarter system sucks, I hope I'll still have a better future in the end.","c_root_id_A":"fjpnjqv","c_root_id_B":"fjofmlv","created_at_utc_A":1583555705,"created_at_utc_B":1583526783,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Engineering is what you make it. If you feel you didn't learn in school then I am sorry but you might feel the same way when you start working!   It is the attitutude to always keep learnig that will be the key. Try not to rely on being spoon fed information because you will be left standing still.","human_ref_B":"Sounds like you wanted more of a technical degree, not an engineering degree. Engineering school mostly teaches you ways to solve problems, you are supposed to figure out how to use them","labels":1,"seconds_difference":28922.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"a4ahyi","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"How fast could live person be delivered from Los Angeles to London with current technology? What method would it take? The live person is not the operator of the transport. I\u2019m thinking like if a secret agent needs to get somewhere fast or if a head of state needs to get back to their home country ASAP.","c_root_id_A":"ebcq9iy","c_root_id_B":"ebcqbc0","created_at_utc_A":1544274540,"created_at_utc_B":1544274602,"score_A":35,"score_B":166,"human_ref_A":"If you used a Space X rocket you could get them there in an hour.","human_ref_B":"Pretty certain there are direct flights from LA to London, so no more than 10-12 hours. Cut it down to 6 if you cam use a military jet at Mach 2 for most of the way.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":62.0,"score_ratio":4.7428571429}
{"post_id":"a4ahyi","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"How fast could live person be delivered from Los Angeles to London with current technology? What method would it take? The live person is not the operator of the transport. I\u2019m thinking like if a secret agent needs to get somewhere fast or if a head of state needs to get back to their home country ASAP.","c_root_id_A":"ebcwn4o","c_root_id_B":"ebcq9iy","created_at_utc_A":1544281270,"created_at_utc_B":1544274540,"score_A":150,"score_B":35,"human_ref_A":"Since you didn't specify that the person must start at rest, end at rest, or be physically on the ground.    Without these constraints, a person could travel over Los Angeles to London in 19 minutes aboard the International Space Station moving at 17,100 mph.","human_ref_B":"If you used a Space X rocket you could get them there in an hour.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6730.0,"score_ratio":4.2857142857}
{"post_id":"a4ahyi","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"How fast could live person be delivered from Los Angeles to London with current technology? What method would it take? The live person is not the operator of the transport. I\u2019m thinking like if a secret agent needs to get somewhere fast or if a head of state needs to get back to their home country ASAP.","c_root_id_A":"ebcwn4o","c_root_id_B":"ebcrmmq","created_at_utc_A":1544281270,"created_at_utc_B":1544276252,"score_A":150,"score_B":26,"human_ref_A":"Since you didn't specify that the person must start at rest, end at rest, or be physically on the ground.    Without these constraints, a person could travel over Los Angeles to London in 19 minutes aboard the International Space Station moving at 17,100 mph.","human_ref_B":"I don't know where you land an SR-71 in England, and I don't think people would approve of just parachuting out and leaving it to crash. But we could refurbish one of those.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5018.0,"score_ratio":5.7692307692}
{"post_id":"a4ahyi","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"How fast could live person be delivered from Los Angeles to London with current technology? What method would it take? The live person is not the operator of the transport. I\u2019m thinking like if a secret agent needs to get somewhere fast or if a head of state needs to get back to their home country ASAP.","c_root_id_A":"ebcwn4o","c_root_id_B":"ebcu3eq","created_at_utc_A":1544281270,"created_at_utc_B":1544278830,"score_A":150,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Since you didn't specify that the person must start at rest, end at rest, or be physically on the ground.    Without these constraints, a person could travel over Los Angeles to London in 19 minutes aboard the International Space Station moving at 17,100 mph.","human_ref_B":"I'm pretty sure some kind of modified intercontinental ballistic missile could do it in like 2 hours...","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2440.0,"score_ratio":30.0}
{"post_id":"a4ahyi","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"How fast could live person be delivered from Los Angeles to London with current technology? What method would it take? The live person is not the operator of the transport. I\u2019m thinking like if a secret agent needs to get somewhere fast or if a head of state needs to get back to their home country ASAP.","c_root_id_A":"ebd98lm","c_root_id_B":"ebcq9iy","created_at_utc_A":1544290944,"created_at_utc_B":1544274540,"score_A":71,"score_B":35,"human_ref_A":"Let me take a \"realistic\" stab at this one.  I like brain teasers like this.  I'm going to go with the head of state scenario to make things a bit more interesting (you'll see why in a second).  Lets say the POTUS is in London and needs to get back to Washington DC ASAP.  That will be our baseline.  One might recall that Air Force One is not the only plane that travels with the POTUS when he goes abroad.  C-17 and a handful of fighters typically follow.  This time it is 4 F-22 Raptors.  Perfect, the POTUS can just commundeer one and be home in no time, right?  Wrong, the only problem is our POTUS is not a pilot.  Fear not.  His trusty secret service agent Edward Meechum was a pilot in the Air Force.  He can get the President to the White House!  The Brits are kind enough to top off the Raptor with a tank of JP-8 jetfuel and off they go! **** Now heres where I break the fourth wall and draw you out of my little narrative.  The reason we chose the F-22 Raptor and not say the F-16 or F-15 was for two reasons:  1:  It has two seats instead of one.  2: It has the ability to supercruise (meaning sustained supersonic flight).  Most other fighters are only capable of relatively short dashes before they deplete fuel reserves.   Anyway on we go: **** Now Mr. President and Mr. Meechum take-off, climb, and turn west.  Then with no regards to the earholes of those below Mr. Meechum floors it and takes the Raptor supersonic.  The afterburner lights up as additional fuel is injected into the jet exhaust.  The F-22 shoots up to speed at Mach 1.8 (maximum speed for supercruise).  By now, dear readers I'm sure you have realized the impending doom of our heros as they run out of fuel over the ocean.  After all the range of the F-22 at supercruise is a measly 900 miles and they need to travel 3662 miles!  But fear not!  NATO has arraigned for a few friendly KC-135 stratotankers to provide a pitstop in the sky!  Just remember that the Raptor has to slow down to refuel as our KC-135s can only cruise at 530 mph.  So we've got logistics down, now lets do some math.  Using a ICAO standard atmosphere calculator yields a speed of 1188 mph for our heros at mach 1.8 at 60,000ft.     Next the Raptor can carry 18,000 lbs of fuel and the KC-135 can dispense up to 6,500 per minute.  That gives us about 3 minutes to refuel assuming they are carrying some reserves.  Which means at 530 mph they will cover **26.5** miles each refuel.  So:    | Quick Maffs ---|--- **Recent Action**| **Total Distance Travel** Leg 1 | 900 Re-Fuel 1 | 926.5 Leg 2 | 1826.5 Re-Fuel 2 | 1853 Leg 3 | 2753 Re-Fuel 3 | 2779.5 Leg 4 |3662 (in Washington DC.)   So as you can see the Raptor is running on fumes when it lands in DC so if they wanted to meet the IFR minimum 45 minute reserve they would need a 4th in flight refueling.   So how long would all this take?  900 miles at 1188 mph is .76 hours or **45.6 minutes.**   The last (slightly shorter) leg  would take .74 hours or **44.4 minutes**  As stated above each refuel is 3 minutes.  Adding it all up:  45.6(x3) + 44.4(x1) + 3(x3) = 190.2 minutes or   **2 hours 40 minutes and 12 seconds**  from wheels up to wheels down.","human_ref_B":"If you used a Space X rocket you could get them there in an hour.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":16404.0,"score_ratio":2.0285714286}
{"post_id":"a4ahyi","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"How fast could live person be delivered from Los Angeles to London with current technology? What method would it take? The live person is not the operator of the transport. I\u2019m thinking like if a secret agent needs to get somewhere fast or if a head of state needs to get back to their home country ASAP.","c_root_id_A":"ebcrmmq","c_root_id_B":"ebd98lm","created_at_utc_A":1544276252,"created_at_utc_B":1544290944,"score_A":26,"score_B":71,"human_ref_A":"I don't know where you land an SR-71 in England, and I don't think people would approve of just parachuting out and leaving it to crash. But we could refurbish one of those.","human_ref_B":"Let me take a \"realistic\" stab at this one.  I like brain teasers like this.  I'm going to go with the head of state scenario to make things a bit more interesting (you'll see why in a second).  Lets say the POTUS is in London and needs to get back to Washington DC ASAP.  That will be our baseline.  One might recall that Air Force One is not the only plane that travels with the POTUS when he goes abroad.  C-17 and a handful of fighters typically follow.  This time it is 4 F-22 Raptors.  Perfect, the POTUS can just commundeer one and be home in no time, right?  Wrong, the only problem is our POTUS is not a pilot.  Fear not.  His trusty secret service agent Edward Meechum was a pilot in the Air Force.  He can get the President to the White House!  The Brits are kind enough to top off the Raptor with a tank of JP-8 jetfuel and off they go! **** Now heres where I break the fourth wall and draw you out of my little narrative.  The reason we chose the F-22 Raptor and not say the F-16 or F-15 was for two reasons:  1:  It has two seats instead of one.  2: It has the ability to supercruise (meaning sustained supersonic flight).  Most other fighters are only capable of relatively short dashes before they deplete fuel reserves.   Anyway on we go: **** Now Mr. President and Mr. Meechum take-off, climb, and turn west.  Then with no regards to the earholes of those below Mr. Meechum floors it and takes the Raptor supersonic.  The afterburner lights up as additional fuel is injected into the jet exhaust.  The F-22 shoots up to speed at Mach 1.8 (maximum speed for supercruise).  By now, dear readers I'm sure you have realized the impending doom of our heros as they run out of fuel over the ocean.  After all the range of the F-22 at supercruise is a measly 900 miles and they need to travel 3662 miles!  But fear not!  NATO has arraigned for a few friendly KC-135 stratotankers to provide a pitstop in the sky!  Just remember that the Raptor has to slow down to refuel as our KC-135s can only cruise at 530 mph.  So we've got logistics down, now lets do some math.  Using a ICAO standard atmosphere calculator yields a speed of 1188 mph for our heros at mach 1.8 at 60,000ft.     Next the Raptor can carry 18,000 lbs of fuel and the KC-135 can dispense up to 6,500 per minute.  That gives us about 3 minutes to refuel assuming they are carrying some reserves.  Which means at 530 mph they will cover **26.5** miles each refuel.  So:    | Quick Maffs ---|--- **Recent Action**| **Total Distance Travel** Leg 1 | 900 Re-Fuel 1 | 926.5 Leg 2 | 1826.5 Re-Fuel 2 | 1853 Leg 3 | 2753 Re-Fuel 3 | 2779.5 Leg 4 |3662 (in Washington DC.)   So as you can see the Raptor is running on fumes when it lands in DC so if they wanted to meet the IFR minimum 45 minute reserve they would need a 4th in flight refueling.   So how long would all this take?  900 miles at 1188 mph is .76 hours or **45.6 minutes.**   The last (slightly shorter) leg  would take .74 hours or **44.4 minutes**  As stated above each refuel is 3 minutes.  Adding it all up:  45.6(x3) + 44.4(x1) + 3(x3) = 190.2 minutes or   **2 hours 40 minutes and 12 seconds**  from wheels up to wheels down.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":14692.0,"score_ratio":2.7307692308}
{"post_id":"a4ahyi","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"How fast could live person be delivered from Los Angeles to London with current technology? What method would it take? The live person is not the operator of the transport. I\u2019m thinking like if a secret agent needs to get somewhere fast or if a head of state needs to get back to their home country ASAP.","c_root_id_A":"ebcx546","c_root_id_B":"ebd98lm","created_at_utc_A":1544281737,"created_at_utc_B":1544290944,"score_A":18,"score_B":71,"human_ref_A":"A ballistic rocket could get you from LA to London in about 20-25 minutes from liftoff to touchdown.","human_ref_B":"Let me take a \"realistic\" stab at this one.  I like brain teasers like this.  I'm going to go with the head of state scenario to make things a bit more interesting (you'll see why in a second).  Lets say the POTUS is in London and needs to get back to Washington DC ASAP.  That will be our baseline.  One might recall that Air Force One is not the only plane that travels with the POTUS when he goes abroad.  C-17 and a handful of fighters typically follow.  This time it is 4 F-22 Raptors.  Perfect, the POTUS can just commundeer one and be home in no time, right?  Wrong, the only problem is our POTUS is not a pilot.  Fear not.  His trusty secret service agent Edward Meechum was a pilot in the Air Force.  He can get the President to the White House!  The Brits are kind enough to top off the Raptor with a tank of JP-8 jetfuel and off they go! **** Now heres where I break the fourth wall and draw you out of my little narrative.  The reason we chose the F-22 Raptor and not say the F-16 or F-15 was for two reasons:  1:  It has two seats instead of one.  2: It has the ability to supercruise (meaning sustained supersonic flight).  Most other fighters are only capable of relatively short dashes before they deplete fuel reserves.   Anyway on we go: **** Now Mr. President and Mr. Meechum take-off, climb, and turn west.  Then with no regards to the earholes of those below Mr. Meechum floors it and takes the Raptor supersonic.  The afterburner lights up as additional fuel is injected into the jet exhaust.  The F-22 shoots up to speed at Mach 1.8 (maximum speed for supercruise).  By now, dear readers I'm sure you have realized the impending doom of our heros as they run out of fuel over the ocean.  After all the range of the F-22 at supercruise is a measly 900 miles and they need to travel 3662 miles!  But fear not!  NATO has arraigned for a few friendly KC-135 stratotankers to provide a pitstop in the sky!  Just remember that the Raptor has to slow down to refuel as our KC-135s can only cruise at 530 mph.  So we've got logistics down, now lets do some math.  Using a ICAO standard atmosphere calculator yields a speed of 1188 mph for our heros at mach 1.8 at 60,000ft.     Next the Raptor can carry 18,000 lbs of fuel and the KC-135 can dispense up to 6,500 per minute.  That gives us about 3 minutes to refuel assuming they are carrying some reserves.  Which means at 530 mph they will cover **26.5** miles each refuel.  So:    | Quick Maffs ---|--- **Recent Action**| **Total Distance Travel** Leg 1 | 900 Re-Fuel 1 | 926.5 Leg 2 | 1826.5 Re-Fuel 2 | 1853 Leg 3 | 2753 Re-Fuel 3 | 2779.5 Leg 4 |3662 (in Washington DC.)   So as you can see the Raptor is running on fumes when it lands in DC so if they wanted to meet the IFR minimum 45 minute reserve they would need a 4th in flight refueling.   So how long would all this take?  900 miles at 1188 mph is .76 hours or **45.6 minutes.**   The last (slightly shorter) leg  would take .74 hours or **44.4 minutes**  As stated above each refuel is 3 minutes.  Adding it all up:  45.6(x3) + 44.4(x1) + 3(x3) = 190.2 minutes or   **2 hours 40 minutes and 12 seconds**  from wheels up to wheels down.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9207.0,"score_ratio":3.9444444444}
{"post_id":"a4ahyi","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"How fast could live person be delivered from Los Angeles to London with current technology? What method would it take? The live person is not the operator of the transport. I\u2019m thinking like if a secret agent needs to get somewhere fast or if a head of state needs to get back to their home country ASAP.","c_root_id_A":"ebcu3eq","c_root_id_B":"ebd98lm","created_at_utc_A":1544278830,"created_at_utc_B":1544290944,"score_A":5,"score_B":71,"human_ref_A":"I'm pretty sure some kind of modified intercontinental ballistic missile could do it in like 2 hours...","human_ref_B":"Let me take a \"realistic\" stab at this one.  I like brain teasers like this.  I'm going to go with the head of state scenario to make things a bit more interesting (you'll see why in a second).  Lets say the POTUS is in London and needs to get back to Washington DC ASAP.  That will be our baseline.  One might recall that Air Force One is not the only plane that travels with the POTUS when he goes abroad.  C-17 and a handful of fighters typically follow.  This time it is 4 F-22 Raptors.  Perfect, the POTUS can just commundeer one and be home in no time, right?  Wrong, the only problem is our POTUS is not a pilot.  Fear not.  His trusty secret service agent Edward Meechum was a pilot in the Air Force.  He can get the President to the White House!  The Brits are kind enough to top off the Raptor with a tank of JP-8 jetfuel and off they go! **** Now heres where I break the fourth wall and draw you out of my little narrative.  The reason we chose the F-22 Raptor and not say the F-16 or F-15 was for two reasons:  1:  It has two seats instead of one.  2: It has the ability to supercruise (meaning sustained supersonic flight).  Most other fighters are only capable of relatively short dashes before they deplete fuel reserves.   Anyway on we go: **** Now Mr. President and Mr. Meechum take-off, climb, and turn west.  Then with no regards to the earholes of those below Mr. Meechum floors it and takes the Raptor supersonic.  The afterburner lights up as additional fuel is injected into the jet exhaust.  The F-22 shoots up to speed at Mach 1.8 (maximum speed for supercruise).  By now, dear readers I'm sure you have realized the impending doom of our heros as they run out of fuel over the ocean.  After all the range of the F-22 at supercruise is a measly 900 miles and they need to travel 3662 miles!  But fear not!  NATO has arraigned for a few friendly KC-135 stratotankers to provide a pitstop in the sky!  Just remember that the Raptor has to slow down to refuel as our KC-135s can only cruise at 530 mph.  So we've got logistics down, now lets do some math.  Using a ICAO standard atmosphere calculator yields a speed of 1188 mph for our heros at mach 1.8 at 60,000ft.     Next the Raptor can carry 18,000 lbs of fuel and the KC-135 can dispense up to 6,500 per minute.  That gives us about 3 minutes to refuel assuming they are carrying some reserves.  Which means at 530 mph they will cover **26.5** miles each refuel.  So:    | Quick Maffs ---|--- **Recent Action**| **Total Distance Travel** Leg 1 | 900 Re-Fuel 1 | 926.5 Leg 2 | 1826.5 Re-Fuel 2 | 1853 Leg 3 | 2753 Re-Fuel 3 | 2779.5 Leg 4 |3662 (in Washington DC.)   So as you can see the Raptor is running on fumes when it lands in DC so if they wanted to meet the IFR minimum 45 minute reserve they would need a 4th in flight refueling.   So how long would all this take?  900 miles at 1188 mph is .76 hours or **45.6 minutes.**   The last (slightly shorter) leg  would take .74 hours or **44.4 minutes**  As stated above each refuel is 3 minutes.  Adding it all up:  45.6(x3) + 44.4(x1) + 3(x3) = 190.2 minutes or   **2 hours 40 minutes and 12 seconds**  from wheels up to wheels down.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":12114.0,"score_ratio":14.2}
{"post_id":"a4ahyi","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"How fast could live person be delivered from Los Angeles to London with current technology? What method would it take? The live person is not the operator of the transport. I\u2019m thinking like if a secret agent needs to get somewhere fast or if a head of state needs to get back to their home country ASAP.","c_root_id_A":"ebcxnzr","c_root_id_B":"ebd98lm","created_at_utc_A":1544282196,"created_at_utc_B":1544290944,"score_A":5,"score_B":71,"human_ref_A":"How long did the Space Shuttle Trans-Atlantic Abort take?","human_ref_B":"Let me take a \"realistic\" stab at this one.  I like brain teasers like this.  I'm going to go with the head of state scenario to make things a bit more interesting (you'll see why in a second).  Lets say the POTUS is in London and needs to get back to Washington DC ASAP.  That will be our baseline.  One might recall that Air Force One is not the only plane that travels with the POTUS when he goes abroad.  C-17 and a handful of fighters typically follow.  This time it is 4 F-22 Raptors.  Perfect, the POTUS can just commundeer one and be home in no time, right?  Wrong, the only problem is our POTUS is not a pilot.  Fear not.  His trusty secret service agent Edward Meechum was a pilot in the Air Force.  He can get the President to the White House!  The Brits are kind enough to top off the Raptor with a tank of JP-8 jetfuel and off they go! **** Now heres where I break the fourth wall and draw you out of my little narrative.  The reason we chose the F-22 Raptor and not say the F-16 or F-15 was for two reasons:  1:  It has two seats instead of one.  2: It has the ability to supercruise (meaning sustained supersonic flight).  Most other fighters are only capable of relatively short dashes before they deplete fuel reserves.   Anyway on we go: **** Now Mr. President and Mr. Meechum take-off, climb, and turn west.  Then with no regards to the earholes of those below Mr. Meechum floors it and takes the Raptor supersonic.  The afterburner lights up as additional fuel is injected into the jet exhaust.  The F-22 shoots up to speed at Mach 1.8 (maximum speed for supercruise).  By now, dear readers I'm sure you have realized the impending doom of our heros as they run out of fuel over the ocean.  After all the range of the F-22 at supercruise is a measly 900 miles and they need to travel 3662 miles!  But fear not!  NATO has arraigned for a few friendly KC-135 stratotankers to provide a pitstop in the sky!  Just remember that the Raptor has to slow down to refuel as our KC-135s can only cruise at 530 mph.  So we've got logistics down, now lets do some math.  Using a ICAO standard atmosphere calculator yields a speed of 1188 mph for our heros at mach 1.8 at 60,000ft.     Next the Raptor can carry 18,000 lbs of fuel and the KC-135 can dispense up to 6,500 per minute.  That gives us about 3 minutes to refuel assuming they are carrying some reserves.  Which means at 530 mph they will cover **26.5** miles each refuel.  So:    | Quick Maffs ---|--- **Recent Action**| **Total Distance Travel** Leg 1 | 900 Re-Fuel 1 | 926.5 Leg 2 | 1826.5 Re-Fuel 2 | 1853 Leg 3 | 2753 Re-Fuel 3 | 2779.5 Leg 4 |3662 (in Washington DC.)   So as you can see the Raptor is running on fumes when it lands in DC so if they wanted to meet the IFR minimum 45 minute reserve they would need a 4th in flight refueling.   So how long would all this take?  900 miles at 1188 mph is .76 hours or **45.6 minutes.**   The last (slightly shorter) leg  would take .74 hours or **44.4 minutes**  As stated above each refuel is 3 minutes.  Adding it all up:  45.6(x3) + 44.4(x1) + 3(x3) = 190.2 minutes or   **2 hours 40 minutes and 12 seconds**  from wheels up to wheels down.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8748.0,"score_ratio":14.2}
{"post_id":"a4ahyi","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"How fast could live person be delivered from Los Angeles to London with current technology? What method would it take? The live person is not the operator of the transport. I\u2019m thinking like if a secret agent needs to get somewhere fast or if a head of state needs to get back to their home country ASAP.","c_root_id_A":"ebcx546","c_root_id_B":"ebcu3eq","created_at_utc_A":1544281737,"created_at_utc_B":1544278830,"score_A":18,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"A ballistic rocket could get you from LA to London in about 20-25 minutes from liftoff to touchdown.","human_ref_B":"I'm pretty sure some kind of modified intercontinental ballistic missile could do it in like 2 hours...","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2907.0,"score_ratio":3.6}
{"post_id":"a4ahyi","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"How fast could live person be delivered from Los Angeles to London with current technology? What method would it take? The live person is not the operator of the transport. I\u2019m thinking like if a secret agent needs to get somewhere fast or if a head of state needs to get back to their home country ASAP.","c_root_id_A":"ebdfxg2","c_root_id_B":"ebcu3eq","created_at_utc_A":1544295602,"created_at_utc_B":1544278830,"score_A":6,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"The record is 3hours 47minutes and 39seconds for a flight from London to LA. Set by an SR-71 Blackbird in 1974. An amazing feat of engineering and technology.  http:\/\/www.wvi.com\/~sr71webmaster\/la001.html","human_ref_B":"I'm pretty sure some kind of modified intercontinental ballistic missile could do it in like 2 hours...","labels":1,"seconds_difference":16772.0,"score_ratio":1.2}
{"post_id":"a4ahyi","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"How fast could live person be delivered from Los Angeles to London with current technology? What method would it take? The live person is not the operator of the transport. I\u2019m thinking like if a secret agent needs to get somewhere fast or if a head of state needs to get back to their home country ASAP.","c_root_id_A":"ebdfxg2","c_root_id_B":"ebcxnzr","created_at_utc_A":1544295602,"created_at_utc_B":1544282196,"score_A":6,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"The record is 3hours 47minutes and 39seconds for a flight from London to LA. Set by an SR-71 Blackbird in 1974. An amazing feat of engineering and technology.  http:\/\/www.wvi.com\/~sr71webmaster\/la001.html","human_ref_B":"How long did the Space Shuttle Trans-Atlantic Abort take?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":13406.0,"score_ratio":1.2}
{"post_id":"kl8xa2","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Was getting an engineering degree worth it for you? Hello, I am a college freshman and I\u2019m just curious to hear if you believe that getting an engineering degree was worth it for you personally. Are you satisfied with your career? If you could go back would you study a different field of engineering or something else? For the record I\u2019m still an undecided engineering major but I\u2019m leaning towards mechanical or industrial engineering.","c_root_id_A":"gh7jim7","c_root_id_B":"gh7ibnn","created_at_utc_A":1609095766,"created_at_utc_B":1609095164,"score_A":20,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"This is almost 100% dependent on you personally and what you enjoy doing. No one here can give you the answer YOU need.   That being said, I always wanted to go into engineering, enjoyed what I learned. And now I really enjoy my career. I don't think I'd change anything if I went back and did it again. BUT engineering is sooooo broad. Many different disciplines and then within the disciplines there are different types of engineers (design, research, manufacturing, sales, field work).","human_ref_B":"First figure out what you want to be doing for your career and then work backwards to identify what will help make that happen. Getting a degree without a purpose in mind is a recipe for disappointment.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":602.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"kl8xa2","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Was getting an engineering degree worth it for you? Hello, I am a college freshman and I\u2019m just curious to hear if you believe that getting an engineering degree was worth it for you personally. Are you satisfied with your career? If you could go back would you study a different field of engineering or something else? For the record I\u2019m still an undecided engineering major but I\u2019m leaning towards mechanical or industrial engineering.","c_root_id_A":"gh7ylis","c_root_id_B":"gh88ka0","created_at_utc_A":1609103441,"created_at_utc_B":1609108467,"score_A":5,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Yes, I earn good money in a job I reasonably enjoy. Without a degree I don't know what I'd be doing but it wouldn't be as good as where I am.","human_ref_B":"Very much so. I ran a shovel for 5 years before going back to school. You're always going to have to have a job and it's always going to suck, so may as well be a job where you're paid well and get to sit in air conditioning.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5026.0,"score_ratio":1.2}
{"post_id":"kl8xa2","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Was getting an engineering degree worth it for you? Hello, I am a college freshman and I\u2019m just curious to hear if you believe that getting an engineering degree was worth it for you personally. Are you satisfied with your career? If you could go back would you study a different field of engineering or something else? For the record I\u2019m still an undecided engineering major but I\u2019m leaning towards mechanical or industrial engineering.","c_root_id_A":"gh88ka0","c_root_id_B":"gh7pn8g","created_at_utc_A":1609108467,"created_at_utc_B":1609098922,"score_A":6,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Very much so. I ran a shovel for 5 years before going back to school. You're always going to have to have a job and it's always going to suck, so may as well be a job where you're paid well and get to sit in air conditioning.","human_ref_B":"Studied ME but didn\u2019t (couldn\u2019t) get a job in pure engineering. I\u2019m content with where I am now, though.   If I think about every degree or course imaginable, I would honestly fall back to ME every time because it\u2019s my ultimate passion in life (despite not being in a job that utilises it to its full potential).   Don\u2019t forget that engineers (or engineering minds) are well sought after in many jobs in many different fields, not just pure engineering. So it could open up prospects elsewhere when they see your engineering degree (but I might be a little biased there \ud83d\ude42).","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9545.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"kl8xa2","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Was getting an engineering degree worth it for you? Hello, I am a college freshman and I\u2019m just curious to hear if you believe that getting an engineering degree was worth it for you personally. Are you satisfied with your career? If you could go back would you study a different field of engineering or something else? For the record I\u2019m still an undecided engineering major but I\u2019m leaning towards mechanical or industrial engineering.","c_root_id_A":"gh7ppk0","c_root_id_B":"gh88ka0","created_at_utc_A":1609098956,"created_at_utc_B":1609108467,"score_A":2,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"I have no real right to complain but if I could do it all over again I would pick a different profession and hope my children dont pick engineering. Probably pick Wall Street scumbag. During the good times you do very well, during the bad times you get bailed out. There are so many here in the NYC area. At bars late at night wearing a thousand dollar suit while trashed drunk. That is who is managing your 401k btw.","human_ref_B":"Very much so. I ran a shovel for 5 years before going back to school. You're always going to have to have a job and it's always going to suck, so may as well be a job where you're paid well and get to sit in air conditioning.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9511.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"kl8xa2","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Was getting an engineering degree worth it for you? Hello, I am a college freshman and I\u2019m just curious to hear if you believe that getting an engineering degree was worth it for you personally. Are you satisfied with your career? If you could go back would you study a different field of engineering or something else? For the record I\u2019m still an undecided engineering major but I\u2019m leaning towards mechanical or industrial engineering.","c_root_id_A":"gh7ylis","c_root_id_B":"gh7pn8g","created_at_utc_A":1609103441,"created_at_utc_B":1609098922,"score_A":5,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Yes, I earn good money in a job I reasonably enjoy. Without a degree I don't know what I'd be doing but it wouldn't be as good as where I am.","human_ref_B":"Studied ME but didn\u2019t (couldn\u2019t) get a job in pure engineering. I\u2019m content with where I am now, though.   If I think about every degree or course imaginable, I would honestly fall back to ME every time because it\u2019s my ultimate passion in life (despite not being in a job that utilises it to its full potential).   Don\u2019t forget that engineers (or engineering minds) are well sought after in many jobs in many different fields, not just pure engineering. So it could open up prospects elsewhere when they see your engineering degree (but I might be a little biased there \ud83d\ude42).","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4519.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"kl8xa2","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Was getting an engineering degree worth it for you? Hello, I am a college freshman and I\u2019m just curious to hear if you believe that getting an engineering degree was worth it for you personally. Are you satisfied with your career? If you could go back would you study a different field of engineering or something else? For the record I\u2019m still an undecided engineering major but I\u2019m leaning towards mechanical or industrial engineering.","c_root_id_A":"gh7ppk0","c_root_id_B":"gh7ylis","created_at_utc_A":1609098956,"created_at_utc_B":1609103441,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"I have no real right to complain but if I could do it all over again I would pick a different profession and hope my children dont pick engineering. Probably pick Wall Street scumbag. During the good times you do very well, during the bad times you get bailed out. There are so many here in the NYC area. At bars late at night wearing a thousand dollar suit while trashed drunk. That is who is managing your 401k btw.","human_ref_B":"Yes, I earn good money in a job I reasonably enjoy. Without a degree I don't know what I'd be doing but it wouldn't be as good as where I am.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4485.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"kl8xa2","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Was getting an engineering degree worth it for you? Hello, I am a college freshman and I\u2019m just curious to hear if you believe that getting an engineering degree was worth it for you personally. Are you satisfied with your career? If you could go back would you study a different field of engineering or something else? For the record I\u2019m still an undecided engineering major but I\u2019m leaning towards mechanical or industrial engineering.","c_root_id_A":"gh8blji","c_root_id_B":"gh7pn8g","created_at_utc_A":1609110038,"created_at_utc_B":1609098922,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I'd be willing to wager that you'll find people hanging out answering questions in an engineering subreddit are going to generally say yes, with a few outliers - those that got into it an hate it probably won't be around here much.    What would drive you between IE vs. ME?","human_ref_B":"Studied ME but didn\u2019t (couldn\u2019t) get a job in pure engineering. I\u2019m content with where I am now, though.   If I think about every degree or course imaginable, I would honestly fall back to ME every time because it\u2019s my ultimate passion in life (despite not being in a job that utilises it to its full potential).   Don\u2019t forget that engineers (or engineering minds) are well sought after in many jobs in many different fields, not just pure engineering. So it could open up prospects elsewhere when they see your engineering degree (but I might be a little biased there \ud83d\ude42).","labels":1,"seconds_difference":11116.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"kl8xa2","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Was getting an engineering degree worth it for you? Hello, I am a college freshman and I\u2019m just curious to hear if you believe that getting an engineering degree was worth it for you personally. Are you satisfied with your career? If you could go back would you study a different field of engineering or something else? For the record I\u2019m still an undecided engineering major but I\u2019m leaning towards mechanical or industrial engineering.","c_root_id_A":"gh7ppk0","c_root_id_B":"gh8blji","created_at_utc_A":1609098956,"created_at_utc_B":1609110038,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I have no real right to complain but if I could do it all over again I would pick a different profession and hope my children dont pick engineering. Probably pick Wall Street scumbag. During the good times you do very well, during the bad times you get bailed out. There are so many here in the NYC area. At bars late at night wearing a thousand dollar suit while trashed drunk. That is who is managing your 401k btw.","human_ref_B":"I'd be willing to wager that you'll find people hanging out answering questions in an engineering subreddit are going to generally say yes, with a few outliers - those that got into it an hate it probably won't be around here much.    What would drive you between IE vs. ME?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11082.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"7o41ez","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.79,"history":"Systems Engineers, what is the best way to become proficient with Doors? For an upcoming project I will likely be tasked with using Doors to track requirements, etc.    I have a few coworkers that have used the tool in the past, but no one that is a subject matter expert.  Can any one with experience recommend any books, online training, in person training, etc?","c_root_id_A":"ds6ub4s","c_root_id_B":"ds6ykwh","created_at_utc_A":1515091751,"created_at_utc_B":1515096448,"score_A":14,"score_B":20,"human_ref_A":"You turn the know to open the latch, and the latch is spring loaded usually so it can shut securely without having to return the knob. Some doors have springs in them so they close automatically. It just takes a little practice.","human_ref_B":"I think at my work there's only one software I hate more than SAP, and that is Doors.  I cannot understand how a simple relational database tool can be so bad. What we usually do is to extract the data into Excel, work with it, and pay some guy to put it all back into Doors when it's finished. Worst is that I've had a 2 days training on it.  Good luck.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4697.0,"score_ratio":1.4285714286}
{"post_id":"7o41ez","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.79,"history":"Systems Engineers, what is the best way to become proficient with Doors? For an upcoming project I will likely be tasked with using Doors to track requirements, etc.    I have a few coworkers that have used the tool in the past, but no one that is a subject matter expert.  Can any one with experience recommend any books, online training, in person training, etc?","c_root_id_A":"ds6ykwh","c_root_id_B":"ds6y26h","created_at_utc_A":1515096448,"created_at_utc_B":1515095675,"score_A":20,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"I think at my work there's only one software I hate more than SAP, and that is Doors.  I cannot understand how a simple relational database tool can be so bad. What we usually do is to extract the data into Excel, work with it, and pay some guy to put it all back into Doors when it's finished. Worst is that I've had a 2 days training on it.  Good luck.","human_ref_B":"I've just realised that I had repressed all memories of Doors.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":773.0,"score_ratio":2.2222222222}
{"post_id":"7o41ez","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.79,"history":"Systems Engineers, what is the best way to become proficient with Doors? For an upcoming project I will likely be tasked with using Doors to track requirements, etc.    I have a few coworkers that have used the tool in the past, but no one that is a subject matter expert.  Can any one with experience recommend any books, online training, in person training, etc?","c_root_id_A":"ds6zegs","c_root_id_B":"ds6y26h","created_at_utc_A":1515097329,"created_at_utc_B":1515095675,"score_A":12,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"The best way is simply to use it. Have your sysadmin set up a project area similar to the one you'll use daily for you to just tool around in it. Watch videos, play with the tool.","human_ref_B":"I've just realised that I had repressed all memories of Doors.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1654.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"7o41ez","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.79,"history":"Systems Engineers, what is the best way to become proficient with Doors? For an upcoming project I will likely be tasked with using Doors to track requirements, etc.    I have a few coworkers that have used the tool in the past, but no one that is a subject matter expert.  Can any one with experience recommend any books, online training, in person training, etc?","c_root_id_A":"ds71ykb","c_root_id_B":"ds7ctzp","created_at_utc_A":1515100607,"created_at_utc_B":1515113729,"score_A":4,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"I actually like doors, it's great for traceability, especially compared with excel. Similar to most programs the best way to learn is to just do it and learn from what works and what doesn't.","human_ref_B":"If you don't already know the answer to \"Why Doors\", or more generally \"Why do we need this,\" you should read ISO 29148. It is about processes and information used for requirements engineering. It's definitely helped me figure out how to understand requirements better and explain what requirements should be to others.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":13122.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"7o41ez","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.79,"history":"Systems Engineers, what is the best way to become proficient with Doors? For an upcoming project I will likely be tasked with using Doors to track requirements, etc.    I have a few coworkers that have used the tool in the past, but no one that is a subject matter expert.  Can any one with experience recommend any books, online training, in person training, etc?","c_root_id_A":"ds7ctzp","c_root_id_B":"ds76j4i","created_at_utc_A":1515113729,"created_at_utc_B":1515106504,"score_A":6,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"If you don't already know the answer to \"Why Doors\", or more generally \"Why do we need this,\" you should read ISO 29148. It is about processes and information used for requirements engineering. It's definitely helped me figure out how to understand requirements better and explain what requirements should be to others.","human_ref_B":"this sub should add a \/r\/systems_Engineering link to their \"related subreddits\", to increase discussion of systems in that sub.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7225.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"7o41ez","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.79,"history":"Systems Engineers, what is the best way to become proficient with Doors? For an upcoming project I will likely be tasked with using Doors to track requirements, etc.    I have a few coworkers that have used the tool in the past, but no one that is a subject matter expert.  Can any one with experience recommend any books, online training, in person training, etc?","c_root_id_A":"ds71ykb","c_root_id_B":"ds79az2","created_at_utc_A":1515100607,"created_at_utc_B":1515109518,"score_A":4,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"I actually like doors, it's great for traceability, especially compared with excel. Similar to most programs the best way to learn is to just do it and learn from what works and what doesn't.","human_ref_B":"YouTube, practice, and pray.  85% of what you do is basic, 5% is advanced, and 10% is wondering how such a product is still industry standard and why it hasn't been updated.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8911.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"7o41ez","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.79,"history":"Systems Engineers, what is the best way to become proficient with Doors? For an upcoming project I will likely be tasked with using Doors to track requirements, etc.    I have a few coworkers that have used the tool in the past, but no one that is a subject matter expert.  Can any one with experience recommend any books, online training, in person training, etc?","c_root_id_A":"ds76j4i","c_root_id_B":"ds79az2","created_at_utc_A":1515106504,"created_at_utc_B":1515109518,"score_A":3,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"this sub should add a \/r\/systems_Engineering link to their \"related subreddits\", to increase discussion of systems in that sub.","human_ref_B":"YouTube, practice, and pray.  85% of what you do is basic, 5% is advanced, and 10% is wondering how such a product is still industry standard and why it hasn't been updated.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3014.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"7o41ez","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.79,"history":"Systems Engineers, what is the best way to become proficient with Doors? For an upcoming project I will likely be tasked with using Doors to track requirements, etc.    I have a few coworkers that have used the tool in the past, but no one that is a subject matter expert.  Can any one with experience recommend any books, online training, in person training, etc?","c_root_id_A":"ds7gfj0","c_root_id_B":"ds7k3zk","created_at_utc_A":1515117715,"created_at_utc_B":1515121937,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I honestly believe they make DOORS so hard to use just so they can sell the training. There is probably a lot it can do that people never use because of the interface.   It's a bit of a pain to get going, but if you limit how much you use it for, it's not too bad.   So each row is an object, you'll want to add an attribute to identify it as a requirement or not (such as information statements and headings). Your traceability should only be between other requirements and have a direction (in or out). Either up to customer requirements or down to hardware etc. These should be separate modules. Simplest way to do this is to select your requirement, start link, then right click the other requirement and either link to start or link from start depending on direction.   You might need to split out safety requirements, depending on your field.   But if you just get used to adding an object or adding an object below, get used to how the heirarchy works. Use headings to give yourself some structure (like you would in Word). With the objects underneath as the body.   IBMs website isn't terrible for tutorials. But I think you can only really learn it but using it. Which is hard to do if you don't know how you want to use it.","human_ref_B":"At least in the past, a default DOORS installation included several example requirements projects and a short tutorial guide that helped you understand link traceability and basic object use\/manipulation.   DOORS is what you make of it and what you put into it. Before IBM bought it out there used to be some free Telelogic DOORS training guides out on the internet. The DOORS administration and DXL training in addition to training on how to plan your DOORS implementation. It is not a difficult tool to use for individual contributors if you have setup your DOORS DB design well. If you haven't done a good job of upfront design for use then you are likely going to experience a good deal of frustration.   For example I've worked in a well designed DOORS program instance that managed 20k requirements spread across 45+ formal requirements modules with extensive relationship traceability. With the proper procedures, processes, admin, and CM controls in place it ran like a well oiled machine. I've also seen a bad DOORS design for a program with 3k requirements that was a complete disaster.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4222.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"2e64l0","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.79,"history":"Should i tell my boss I'm not happy with my job? or should i just look for a new one and tell him after i signed the contract? I work for a large consultancy firm. I'm a project engineer in road and sewer design. I make the bill of quantity, list of specifications and i assist a projectleader.  I don't like my work because there is hardly any challenge. It's just a boring task that requires time and is repetitive.   I want to design bridges and tunnels but our department outsources this to a department two hundred kilometer away.  SHould i tell my boss i'm not happy with y current work? Or should i stay silent and quietly look for another company?","c_root_id_A":"cjwh6ec","c_root_id_B":"cjwg1bc","created_at_utc_A":1408628014,"created_at_utc_B":1408624801,"score_A":21,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"This very much depends on the culture of the company.  My first employer had the culture of \"You are very lucky that we allow you to work for us. If you aren't thrilled to do whatever job you are given then you are an ungrateful degenerate.\" If you even hinted that you weren't totally happy about your job you pretty much painted a target on yourself for ending your career there.  My current employer has the culture of \"We want you to be happy and fulfilled here. If you ever get bored, overwhelmed, etc come talk to us about it and let's make sure that you stay engaged and happy.\" My boss flat out asks me several times per year if I'm happy with the job and what I'd like to see changed.  Guess which place is *much* better to work for?  Also, I refer to this graphic from time to time and remind myself to always strive to move towards the upper right.  http:\/\/i.imgur.com\/Fv3HB7n.png","human_ref_B":"The discussion is worth it. Explain you are feeling unchallenged an enquire whether there are other opportunities within the company, or extra work that would help you to your long term goals. It may not be an immediate transfer to a new role, but if you haven't given your current employer the opportunity to understand your aspirations, then they are not to blame for not just offering you something. If you don't say anything, Your boss may think you are perfectly happy. managers of engineering groups aren't always the best mind readers. It would be sad to interview elsewhere and then find out you could have had something where you are if only they had known.  If, the discussion indicates that there is no prospect for development within your current group, or company, then looking elsewhere is reasonable. Keep in mind though, even if you are looking elsewhere, you still need to do the best can at what you are doing now, so that your references are as good as possible and you don't burn any bridges. (No pun intended). It can be surprise who prospect employers know and will ask about you, that aren't necessarily you official referees.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3213.0,"score_ratio":10.5}
{"post_id":"r9b2j","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"What skills and\/or experiences, other than an internship, will help me land a job after graduation? Here's the deal. I am currently working towards my bachelors in mechanical engineering and I plan on graduating after the spring semester of 2013 (little over a year). I have been applying for internships, but to date have not been selected for one. So, if I end up without an intership over the summer, what other things can on work on that will help my marketability once I graduate? I was thinking about getting a job in a manufacturing plant near by (there are a good number of them), but I don't know how much that will help. Any ideas as to how I can put myself in a better position after graduating? Also, I'm not limiting myself to just \"what job should I get\". Any other skills I can try to teach myself over the summer? Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"c43yxn8","c_root_id_B":"c43yiah","created_at_utc_A":1332470419,"created_at_utc_B":1332468173,"score_A":5,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Mostly what brownchickenbrowncow said, but:  Anything to show aptitude, interest, and capability in the engineering spectrum. Whether it be a personal project, hobby, student design team, research work, engineering based club, anything. It shows that you are actually interested in engineering and arent just there for the money\/jobs. Also gives you invaluable experience in the real world.   My advice is to either join a student design team (Like FSAE, mini baja, etc) and dedicate a lot of time to it, or to start making fun projects which incorporate a lot of engineering aspects (esp if theyre outside of ME). Make some furniture (CAD that shit up and go), or a make an automated drink mixer out of an old fridge and some pumps (totally know someone that made one), or make the worlds most badass coffee maker with PID temp controls and shit, or program some random stuff up. It all looks hella impressive to a recruiter. Hell, make yourself a portfolio. I blew minds with all of my experience from FSAE at career fairs.   Damned near everyone I talked to invited me for interviews, and almost all of those that I went to offered jobs.   All of those dorky little project you see people get mad upboats on here for? Do stuff like that except 20x better because you have the knowledge\/tools to do so as an engineer.    Whatever you do, DO NOT BE AFRAID TO TALK ABOUT IT. Whenever I go recruiting I practically have to beg people to tell me about projects theyve worked on. Half the time they totally sweep under the rug a bunch of stuff Id love to hear about. Get technical with it, and show what all you learned.   I mean shit, in the last few days Ive been working on a program to automatically play a stupid flash game for me using image processing in labview. If I were interviewing me, Id love to hear about that shit.","human_ref_B":"personal projects!  Find a technology you are curious\/interested in, and throw something together with it.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2246.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"r9b2j","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"What skills and\/or experiences, other than an internship, will help me land a job after graduation? Here's the deal. I am currently working towards my bachelors in mechanical engineering and I plan on graduating after the spring semester of 2013 (little over a year). I have been applying for internships, but to date have not been selected for one. So, if I end up without an intership over the summer, what other things can on work on that will help my marketability once I graduate? I was thinking about getting a job in a manufacturing plant near by (there are a good number of them), but I don't know how much that will help. Any ideas as to how I can put myself in a better position after graduating? Also, I'm not limiting myself to just \"what job should I get\". Any other skills I can try to teach myself over the summer? Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"c43yjy2","c_root_id_B":"c43yxn8","created_at_utc_A":1332468422,"created_at_utc_B":1332470419,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Most colleges require you to take one design class in order to graduate. If you do not have the internship experience by your senior year you can take multiple design classes. I ended up taking four my senior year, and the experience I gained in those classes are the focal point of my resume and interviews. Its harder, but if you don't get an internship you could take summer classes to ease out your future class loads to help increase your GPA and make room for design classes.","human_ref_B":"Mostly what brownchickenbrowncow said, but:  Anything to show aptitude, interest, and capability in the engineering spectrum. Whether it be a personal project, hobby, student design team, research work, engineering based club, anything. It shows that you are actually interested in engineering and arent just there for the money\/jobs. Also gives you invaluable experience in the real world.   My advice is to either join a student design team (Like FSAE, mini baja, etc) and dedicate a lot of time to it, or to start making fun projects which incorporate a lot of engineering aspects (esp if theyre outside of ME). Make some furniture (CAD that shit up and go), or a make an automated drink mixer out of an old fridge and some pumps (totally know someone that made one), or make the worlds most badass coffee maker with PID temp controls and shit, or program some random stuff up. It all looks hella impressive to a recruiter. Hell, make yourself a portfolio. I blew minds with all of my experience from FSAE at career fairs.   Damned near everyone I talked to invited me for interviews, and almost all of those that I went to offered jobs.   All of those dorky little project you see people get mad upboats on here for? Do stuff like that except 20x better because you have the knowledge\/tools to do so as an engineer.    Whatever you do, DO NOT BE AFRAID TO TALK ABOUT IT. Whenever I go recruiting I practically have to beg people to tell me about projects theyve worked on. Half the time they totally sweep under the rug a bunch of stuff Id love to hear about. Get technical with it, and show what all you learned.   I mean shit, in the last few days Ive been working on a program to automatically play a stupid flash game for me using image processing in labview. If I were interviewing me, Id love to hear about that shit.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1997.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"r9b2j","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"What skills and\/or experiences, other than an internship, will help me land a job after graduation? Here's the deal. I am currently working towards my bachelors in mechanical engineering and I plan on graduating after the spring semester of 2013 (little over a year). I have been applying for internships, but to date have not been selected for one. So, if I end up without an intership over the summer, what other things can on work on that will help my marketability once I graduate? I was thinking about getting a job in a manufacturing plant near by (there are a good number of them), but I don't know how much that will help. Any ideas as to how I can put myself in a better position after graduating? Also, I'm not limiting myself to just \"what job should I get\". Any other skills I can try to teach myself over the summer? Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"c43zsu1","c_root_id_B":"c43yiah","created_at_utc_A":1332474907,"created_at_utc_B":1332468173,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"There are a lot of good answers here, so I'm not going to repeat what was already said.  But as far as the manufacturing job....  I was able to get a job at a welding and fab shop during high school and was able to work there after school and during the summers for about 6 or 7 years through high school and college.  I was able to learn many different manufacturing methods.   Sheet metal stuff, cutting material to length, welding, mill and lathe work, etc.  I gave me an under standing of how stuff comes together and I got to see things from the other side of the drawings.  Because of that background, it is always in the back of my mind as I am designing.  So ANY experience that you can get related to engineering will be a big help.","human_ref_B":"personal projects!  Find a technology you are curious\/interested in, and throw something together with it.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6734.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"r9b2j","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"What skills and\/or experiences, other than an internship, will help me land a job after graduation? Here's the deal. I am currently working towards my bachelors in mechanical engineering and I plan on graduating after the spring semester of 2013 (little over a year). I have been applying for internships, but to date have not been selected for one. So, if I end up without an intership over the summer, what other things can on work on that will help my marketability once I graduate? I was thinking about getting a job in a manufacturing plant near by (there are a good number of them), but I don't know how much that will help. Any ideas as to how I can put myself in a better position after graduating? Also, I'm not limiting myself to just \"what job should I get\". Any other skills I can try to teach myself over the summer? Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"c43zsu1","c_root_id_B":"c43yjy2","created_at_utc_A":1332474907,"created_at_utc_B":1332468422,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"There are a lot of good answers here, so I'm not going to repeat what was already said.  But as far as the manufacturing job....  I was able to get a job at a welding and fab shop during high school and was able to work there after school and during the summers for about 6 or 7 years through high school and college.  I was able to learn many different manufacturing methods.   Sheet metal stuff, cutting material to length, welding, mill and lathe work, etc.  I gave me an under standing of how stuff comes together and I got to see things from the other side of the drawings.  Because of that background, it is always in the back of my mind as I am designing.  So ANY experience that you can get related to engineering will be a big help.","human_ref_B":"Most colleges require you to take one design class in order to graduate. If you do not have the internship experience by your senior year you can take multiple design classes. I ended up taking four my senior year, and the experience I gained in those classes are the focal point of my resume and interviews. Its harder, but if you don't get an internship you could take summer classes to ease out your future class loads to help increase your GPA and make room for design classes.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6485.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"r9b2j","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"What skills and\/or experiences, other than an internship, will help me land a job after graduation? Here's the deal. I am currently working towards my bachelors in mechanical engineering and I plan on graduating after the spring semester of 2013 (little over a year). I have been applying for internships, but to date have not been selected for one. So, if I end up without an intership over the summer, what other things can on work on that will help my marketability once I graduate? I was thinking about getting a job in a manufacturing plant near by (there are a good number of them), but I don't know how much that will help. Any ideas as to how I can put myself in a better position after graduating? Also, I'm not limiting myself to just \"what job should I get\". Any other skills I can try to teach myself over the summer? Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"c43zons","c_root_id_B":"c43zsu1","created_at_utc_A":1332474284,"created_at_utc_B":1332474907,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Join a design team!!! They require no previous experience, just a willingness to work hard and learn. Employers find this impressive because it shows you have a genuine interest in Engineering, and you will gain skills using the software that a lot of companies use in industry i.e. SolidWorks, Fluent, Ansys etc.","human_ref_B":"There are a lot of good answers here, so I'm not going to repeat what was already said.  But as far as the manufacturing job....  I was able to get a job at a welding and fab shop during high school and was able to work there after school and during the summers for about 6 or 7 years through high school and college.  I was able to learn many different manufacturing methods.   Sheet metal stuff, cutting material to length, welding, mill and lathe work, etc.  I gave me an under standing of how stuff comes together and I got to see things from the other side of the drawings.  Because of that background, it is always in the back of my mind as I am designing.  So ANY experience that you can get related to engineering will be a big help.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":623.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"iqot26","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.79,"history":"I am a Mechanical engineer and have an interview at a electronics hardware company. What should I know? The position is for Mechanical Design Engineer but am wondering what sort of background they expect me to have about hardware. What sort of things should I expect to be asked or would be good to know before hand?","c_root_id_A":"g4tiji5","c_root_id_B":"g4tguku","created_at_utc_A":1599829257,"created_at_utc_B":1599828140,"score_A":62,"score_B":29,"human_ref_A":"V=IR","human_ref_B":"You could be asked about heat transfer and cooling electronics.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1117.0,"score_ratio":2.1379310345}
{"post_id":"iqot26","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.79,"history":"I am a Mechanical engineer and have an interview at a electronics hardware company. What should I know? The position is for Mechanical Design Engineer but am wondering what sort of background they expect me to have about hardware. What sort of things should I expect to be asked or would be good to know before hand?","c_root_id_A":"g4tiji5","c_root_id_B":"g4tdzvl","created_at_utc_A":1599829257,"created_at_utc_B":1599826070,"score_A":62,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"V=IR","human_ref_B":"Is electronics included in the job description? If not I wouldn\u2019t worry about if yes then I\u2019d google the hell out of what ever you don\u2019t know so you can at least have a basis of understanding","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3187.0,"score_ratio":6.8888888889}
{"post_id":"iqot26","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.79,"history":"I am a Mechanical engineer and have an interview at a electronics hardware company. What should I know? The position is for Mechanical Design Engineer but am wondering what sort of background they expect me to have about hardware. What sort of things should I expect to be asked or would be good to know before hand?","c_root_id_A":"g4tdzvl","c_root_id_B":"g4tguku","created_at_utc_A":1599826070,"created_at_utc_B":1599828140,"score_A":9,"score_B":29,"human_ref_A":"Is electronics included in the job description? If not I wouldn\u2019t worry about if yes then I\u2019d google the hell out of what ever you don\u2019t know so you can at least have a basis of understanding","human_ref_B":"You could be asked about heat transfer and cooling electronics.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2070.0,"score_ratio":3.2222222222}
{"post_id":"iqot26","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.79,"history":"I am a Mechanical engineer and have an interview at a electronics hardware company. What should I know? The position is for Mechanical Design Engineer but am wondering what sort of background they expect me to have about hardware. What sort of things should I expect to be asked or would be good to know before hand?","c_root_id_A":"g4tjg8g","c_root_id_B":"g4tmypr","created_at_utc_A":1599829835,"created_at_utc_B":1599831951,"score_A":4,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"It all depends on the company.  Look at their products - the housings, the moving components, the construction methods... these are the things that their design engineers have worked on in the past and therefore are likely the things that you'll need to work on in the future.  If it's an electronics hardware company that makes rack-mounted supplies, learn about that area - mounting, sizing, cooling, etc.  If they're making handheld meters like a multimeter, think of the different requirements for that.  It also really depends on level.  I'm going to expect different things of a senior level engineer versus a new graduate.","human_ref_B":"I\u2019m an ME that has worked with electronics in several roles in the past (but not necessarily electronics design). One of the things I learned is that almost all electronics issues are mechanics related. Joint fatigue, thermal stresses (both temperature and mechanical expansion), mounting, vibration, crack propagation, etc. are all mechanical failures that cause electronics issues. The EEs can handle V=IR but they need an ME for all the other stuff.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2116.0,"score_ratio":2.25}
{"post_id":"iqot26","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.79,"history":"I am a Mechanical engineer and have an interview at a electronics hardware company. What should I know? The position is for Mechanical Design Engineer but am wondering what sort of background they expect me to have about hardware. What sort of things should I expect to be asked or would be good to know before hand?","c_root_id_A":"g4tn5fo","c_root_id_B":"g4tjg8g","created_at_utc_A":1599832056,"created_at_utc_B":1599829835,"score_A":5,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"How to remain calm and communicate effectively. Engineers are notoriously bad at this, and interviews are about more than just your book smarts.","human_ref_B":"It all depends on the company.  Look at their products - the housings, the moving components, the construction methods... these are the things that their design engineers have worked on in the past and therefore are likely the things that you'll need to work on in the future.  If it's an electronics hardware company that makes rack-mounted supplies, learn about that area - mounting, sizing, cooling, etc.  If they're making handheld meters like a multimeter, think of the different requirements for that.  It also really depends on level.  I'm going to expect different things of a senior level engineer versus a new graduate.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2221.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"grhvft","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Is it feasible to make a laser thermometer to measure temperature using spectral distribution rather than the amount of radiation? According to this article, laser thermometers have to use estimates on emisivity in measuring temperature. To me, this sounds unreliable, because emisivity can change drastically from object to object.   Alternatively, the emisivity is more likely to be constant with respect to frequency (assumption 1). That means if you read off the average emitted frequency, or did a curve fit to Planck's law to the frequency distribution, we should get better results. Right?  Questions:   1. Would this be more accurate? 2. If so why aren't we doing this already?    1. Would it be more expensive\/tougher to build    2. Harder to calibrate","c_root_id_A":"fs0o6d1","c_root_id_B":"fs1691x","created_at_utc_A":1590612902,"created_at_utc_B":1590622128,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I like this post because I'm learning about all the different types of -mometers","human_ref_B":"On a related note, I once worked at an engineering company where four engineers using an infrared thermometer couldn't figure out why a heat sink that was polished aluminum was giving off different readings than one that was painted, even though they had the exact same geometry.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9226.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"3ketm0","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is it Legal to use patented ideas\/plans for non commercial use, i.e something I build in a shed for myself ? I  want to incorporate a certain patented jet engine design features into a UAV.. Yes or no.  It's not about whether they'll find out or not, but principal.","c_root_id_A":"cuwzsvn","c_root_id_B":"cux4chp","created_at_utc_A":1441908726,"created_at_utc_B":1441915637,"score_A":5,"score_B":24,"human_ref_A":"IANAL. u\/Science_Monster has some solid points, and then how I always think when IRL.    If you're not selling it, demonstrating it in a public capacity: 1) How do they even find out you are using their technology? 2) How do they claim damages?  Although you don't have to profit for them to claim, individual use for backyard fun is probably not going to get them any money worth going to court.","human_ref_B":"Not a lawyer either. I am, however, a registered patent agent. So I know some about patent prosecution. Not much on litigation\/infringement.  It appears one relevant code is 35 USC 271. It states, in part, \"...whoever without authority makes, uses, offers to sell, or sells any patented invention, within the United States... infringes the patent.\"  There are exceptions to the code you can Google yourself (sorry, on mobile) and patent law can be extremely complicated. But that code makes it seem like you'd be infringing. This is not legal advice. Again, I am not a lawyer.  Definitely not the most concrete answer. But I hope it helps point you in the right direction. I would definitely, absolutely, 100% consult a patent attorney if you're serious about making\/using this invention.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6911.0,"score_ratio":4.8}
{"post_id":"3ketm0","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is it Legal to use patented ideas\/plans for non commercial use, i.e something I build in a shed for myself ? I  want to incorporate a certain patented jet engine design features into a UAV.. Yes or no.  It's not about whether they'll find out or not, but principal.","c_root_id_A":"cux2wfd","c_root_id_B":"cux4chp","created_at_utc_A":1441913437,"created_at_utc_B":1441915637,"score_A":2,"score_B":24,"human_ref_A":"As others have said, it's about damages, but that can be expanded beyond just patent law. Civil suits in general (which includes patents) have to show damages. If you're not competing with them or otherwise harming their use of said patent, they have no case.","human_ref_B":"Not a lawyer either. I am, however, a registered patent agent. So I know some about patent prosecution. Not much on litigation\/infringement.  It appears one relevant code is 35 USC 271. It states, in part, \"...whoever without authority makes, uses, offers to sell, or sells any patented invention, within the United States... infringes the patent.\"  There are exceptions to the code you can Google yourself (sorry, on mobile) and patent law can be extremely complicated. But that code makes it seem like you'd be infringing. This is not legal advice. Again, I am not a lawyer.  Definitely not the most concrete answer. But I hope it helps point you in the right direction. I would definitely, absolutely, 100% consult a patent attorney if you're serious about making\/using this invention.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2200.0,"score_ratio":12.0}
{"post_id":"3ketm0","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is it Legal to use patented ideas\/plans for non commercial use, i.e something I build in a shed for myself ? I  want to incorporate a certain patented jet engine design features into a UAV.. Yes or no.  It's not about whether they'll find out or not, but principal.","c_root_id_A":"cuwzsvn","c_root_id_B":"cux7fk5","created_at_utc_A":1441908726,"created_at_utc_B":1441920438,"score_A":5,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"IANAL. u\/Science_Monster has some solid points, and then how I always think when IRL.    If you're not selling it, demonstrating it in a public capacity: 1) How do they even find out you are using their technology? 2) How do they claim damages?  Although you don't have to profit for them to claim, individual use for backyard fun is probably not going to get them any money worth going to court.","human_ref_B":"Ok, this is sort of off-topic, but I have to ask:  You're building a jet UAV?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11712.0,"score_ratio":1.6}
{"post_id":"3ketm0","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is it Legal to use patented ideas\/plans for non commercial use, i.e something I build in a shed for myself ? I  want to incorporate a certain patented jet engine design features into a UAV.. Yes or no.  It's not about whether they'll find out or not, but principal.","c_root_id_A":"cux7fk5","c_root_id_B":"cux5syl","created_at_utc_A":1441920438,"created_at_utc_B":1441917874,"score_A":8,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Ok, this is sort of off-topic, but I have to ask:  You're building a jet UAV?","human_ref_B":"i don't know about the patent holder, but the FAA will probably want a word or two with you about your plans!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2564.0,"score_ratio":1.1428571429}
{"post_id":"3ketm0","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is it Legal to use patented ideas\/plans for non commercial use, i.e something I build in a shed for myself ? I  want to incorporate a certain patented jet engine design features into a UAV.. Yes or no.  It's not about whether they'll find out or not, but principal.","c_root_id_A":"cux2wfd","c_root_id_B":"cux7fk5","created_at_utc_A":1441913437,"created_at_utc_B":1441920438,"score_A":2,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"As others have said, it's about damages, but that can be expanded beyond just patent law. Civil suits in general (which includes patents) have to show damages. If you're not competing with them or otherwise harming their use of said patent, they have no case.","human_ref_B":"Ok, this is sort of off-topic, but I have to ask:  You're building a jet UAV?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7001.0,"score_ratio":4.0}
{"post_id":"3ketm0","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is it Legal to use patented ideas\/plans for non commercial use, i.e something I build in a shed for myself ? I  want to incorporate a certain patented jet engine design features into a UAV.. Yes or no.  It's not about whether they'll find out or not, but principal.","c_root_id_A":"cux9pp1","c_root_id_B":"cuwzsvn","created_at_utc_A":1441924301,"created_at_utc_B":1441908726,"score_A":7,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"No. Assuming your use is actually covered by the issued claims (a question for a lawyer), you'd be infringing.  To show infringement in the US, the patent holder only needs to show that you're making\/using their claimed invention (or it's \"equivalent\") without permission (license). Commercial sale is not part of the test. You making money is not part of the test. Financial damage to the patent holder is not part of the test. Your use without permission is per se damage to the patent holder.  What that damage is *worth* can depend on if you are causing traditional financial damage (loss of sales or whatever), but you're still infringing. The remedy would probably look like an injunction (a court order stopping you from using it) and the financial value of a license for the time you used the product.  Unlike copyright, there is no \"fair use\" defense for patents.","human_ref_B":"IANAL. u\/Science_Monster has some solid points, and then how I always think when IRL.    If you're not selling it, demonstrating it in a public capacity: 1) How do they even find out you are using their technology? 2) How do they claim damages?  Although you don't have to profit for them to claim, individual use for backyard fun is probably not going to get them any money worth going to court.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":15575.0,"score_ratio":1.4}
{"post_id":"3ketm0","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is it Legal to use patented ideas\/plans for non commercial use, i.e something I build in a shed for myself ? I  want to incorporate a certain patented jet engine design features into a UAV.. Yes or no.  It's not about whether they'll find out or not, but principal.","c_root_id_A":"cux8ynm","c_root_id_B":"cux9pp1","created_at_utc_A":1441922986,"created_at_utc_B":1441924301,"score_A":5,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Depends on what the origin of the patent it is.  In the US, there is not a personal use exception in patent law.  Most other places (like all of Europe) there is.  So if you are outside the US, should be OK (because a US patent would not apply to you).","human_ref_B":"No. Assuming your use is actually covered by the issued claims (a question for a lawyer), you'd be infringing.  To show infringement in the US, the patent holder only needs to show that you're making\/using their claimed invention (or it's \"equivalent\") without permission (license). Commercial sale is not part of the test. You making money is not part of the test. Financial damage to the patent holder is not part of the test. Your use without permission is per se damage to the patent holder.  What that damage is *worth* can depend on if you are causing traditional financial damage (loss of sales or whatever), but you're still infringing. The remedy would probably look like an injunction (a court order stopping you from using it) and the financial value of a license for the time you used the product.  Unlike copyright, there is no \"fair use\" defense for patents.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1315.0,"score_ratio":1.4}
{"post_id":"3ketm0","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is it Legal to use patented ideas\/plans for non commercial use, i.e something I build in a shed for myself ? I  want to incorporate a certain patented jet engine design features into a UAV.. Yes or no.  It's not about whether they'll find out or not, but principal.","c_root_id_A":"cux2wfd","c_root_id_B":"cux9pp1","created_at_utc_A":1441913437,"created_at_utc_B":1441924301,"score_A":2,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"As others have said, it's about damages, but that can be expanded beyond just patent law. Civil suits in general (which includes patents) have to show damages. If you're not competing with them or otherwise harming their use of said patent, they have no case.","human_ref_B":"No. Assuming your use is actually covered by the issued claims (a question for a lawyer), you'd be infringing.  To show infringement in the US, the patent holder only needs to show that you're making\/using their claimed invention (or it's \"equivalent\") without permission (license). Commercial sale is not part of the test. You making money is not part of the test. Financial damage to the patent holder is not part of the test. Your use without permission is per se damage to the patent holder.  What that damage is *worth* can depend on if you are causing traditional financial damage (loss of sales or whatever), but you're still infringing. The remedy would probably look like an injunction (a court order stopping you from using it) and the financial value of a license for the time you used the product.  Unlike copyright, there is no \"fair use\" defense for patents.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10864.0,"score_ratio":3.5}
{"post_id":"3ketm0","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is it Legal to use patented ideas\/plans for non commercial use, i.e something I build in a shed for myself ? I  want to incorporate a certain patented jet engine design features into a UAV.. Yes or no.  It's not about whether they'll find out or not, but principal.","c_root_id_A":"cux5syl","c_root_id_B":"cuwzsvn","created_at_utc_A":1441917874,"created_at_utc_B":1441908726,"score_A":7,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"i don't know about the patent holder, but the FAA will probably want a word or two with you about your plans!","human_ref_B":"IANAL. u\/Science_Monster has some solid points, and then how I always think when IRL.    If you're not selling it, demonstrating it in a public capacity: 1) How do they even find out you are using their technology? 2) How do they claim damages?  Although you don't have to profit for them to claim, individual use for backyard fun is probably not going to get them any money worth going to court.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9148.0,"score_ratio":1.4}
{"post_id":"3ketm0","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is it Legal to use patented ideas\/plans for non commercial use, i.e something I build in a shed for myself ? I  want to incorporate a certain patented jet engine design features into a UAV.. Yes or no.  It's not about whether they'll find out or not, but principal.","c_root_id_A":"cux5syl","c_root_id_B":"cux2wfd","created_at_utc_A":1441917874,"created_at_utc_B":1441913437,"score_A":7,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"i don't know about the patent holder, but the FAA will probably want a word or two with you about your plans!","human_ref_B":"As others have said, it's about damages, but that can be expanded beyond just patent law. Civil suits in general (which includes patents) have to show damages. If you're not competing with them or otherwise harming their use of said patent, they have no case.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4437.0,"score_ratio":3.5}
{"post_id":"3ketm0","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Is it Legal to use patented ideas\/plans for non commercial use, i.e something I build in a shed for myself ? I  want to incorporate a certain patented jet engine design features into a UAV.. Yes or no.  It's not about whether they'll find out or not, but principal.","c_root_id_A":"cux8ynm","c_root_id_B":"cux2wfd","created_at_utc_A":1441922986,"created_at_utc_B":1441913437,"score_A":5,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Depends on what the origin of the patent it is.  In the US, there is not a personal use exception in patent law.  Most other places (like all of Europe) there is.  So if you are outside the US, should be OK (because a US patent would not apply to you).","human_ref_B":"As others have said, it's about damages, but that can be expanded beyond just patent law. Civil suits in general (which includes patents) have to show damages. If you're not competing with them or otherwise harming their use of said patent, they have no case.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9549.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
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{"post_id":"5bb71o","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"What were some \"game changing\" ideas and innovations in the history of your engineering field?","c_root_id_A":"d9nlyx1","c_root_id_B":"d9n7jgs","created_at_utc_A":1478395950,"created_at_utc_B":1478374612,"score_A":13,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Oh man, not a single Biomedical Engineer here! I don't know what to choose:  1. Implantable, biocompatible orthopedic metals, ceramics, plastics, cements, etc. that can fix terribly broken bones 2. MRI\/X-Ray\/CT\/US and other imaging systems (screw you, physicists. You became BME when you applied it to the human body) 3. Arthritis or other joint problems causing pain or preventing you from moving? Too bad, you're old and about to die anyway..... until joint replacement! 4. Skin grafts. You fucked up your skin somehow? Got burned severely? Cool. Here's this weird fabric that I'll place in the burned area and skin will attach to it and regrow!","human_ref_B":"The Haber Process for making steel. The price literally dropped by half overnight. And over the next few years fell to only 1\/10th what it was earlier.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":21338.0,"score_ratio":1.8571428571}
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{"post_id":"5bb71o","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"What were some \"game changing\" ideas and innovations in the history of your engineering field?","c_root_id_A":"d9nc0nb","c_root_id_B":"d9nojj1","created_at_utc_A":1478381226,"created_at_utc_B":1478399607,"score_A":3,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"Electronic controls for engines.","human_ref_B":"I graduated EE\/CS in 1975.  Late in my senior year the first microprocessor chips started hitting the market.  Imagine my chagrin.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":18381.0,"score_ratio":3.6666666667}
{"post_id":"5bb71o","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"What were some \"game changing\" ideas and innovations in the history of your engineering field?","c_root_id_A":"d9n62zt","c_root_id_B":"d9o2vq5","created_at_utc_A":1478372522,"created_at_utc_B":1478437394,"score_A":7,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"Azimuthing Stern Drives on tug boats.","human_ref_B":"Melting a reactor core at Three Mile Island led to the NRC deciding that a degreed engineer must be on site and assigned to the control room at all times to assess reactor thermalhydraulics and ensure critical safety functions are maintained during transient response.   And it's turned out that having someone in the control room who is not allowed to operate any equipment, who's only job is to remain independent of the operators and evaluate plant response is very useful and helps to prevent group think.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":64872.0,"score_ratio":1.1428571429}
{"post_id":"5bb71o","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"What were some \"game changing\" ideas and innovations in the history of your engineering field?","c_root_id_A":"d9n7jgs","c_root_id_B":"d9o2vq5","created_at_utc_A":1478374612,"created_at_utc_B":1478437394,"score_A":7,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"The Haber Process for making steel. The price literally dropped by half overnight. And over the next few years fell to only 1\/10th what it was earlier.","human_ref_B":"Melting a reactor core at Three Mile Island led to the NRC deciding that a degreed engineer must be on site and assigned to the control room at all times to assess reactor thermalhydraulics and ensure critical safety functions are maintained during transient response.   And it's turned out that having someone in the control room who is not allowed to operate any equipment, who's only job is to remain independent of the operators and evaluate plant response is very useful and helps to prevent group think.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":62782.0,"score_ratio":1.1428571429}
{"post_id":"5bb71o","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"What were some \"game changing\" ideas and innovations in the history of your engineering field?","c_root_id_A":"d9nj8wl","c_root_id_B":"d9o2vq5","created_at_utc_A":1478392062,"created_at_utc_B":1478437394,"score_A":7,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"For mechanical engineering I definitely think the biggest technological advance has been the widespread availability of FEA and CFD solvers.","human_ref_B":"Melting a reactor core at Three Mile Island led to the NRC deciding that a degreed engineer must be on site and assigned to the control room at all times to assess reactor thermalhydraulics and ensure critical safety functions are maintained during transient response.   And it's turned out that having someone in the control room who is not allowed to operate any equipment, who's only job is to remain independent of the operators and evaluate plant response is very useful and helps to prevent group think.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":45332.0,"score_ratio":1.1428571429}
{"post_id":"5bb71o","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"What were some \"game changing\" ideas and innovations in the history of your engineering field?","c_root_id_A":"d9o2vq5","c_root_id_B":"d9np7fe","created_at_utc_A":1478437394,"created_at_utc_B":1478400595,"score_A":8,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Melting a reactor core at Three Mile Island led to the NRC deciding that a degreed engineer must be on site and assigned to the control room at all times to assess reactor thermalhydraulics and ensure critical safety functions are maintained during transient response.   And it's turned out that having someone in the control room who is not allowed to operate any equipment, who's only job is to remain independent of the operators and evaluate plant response is very useful and helps to prevent group think.","human_ref_B":"The variable frequency drive (VFD) allows pumps, fans, and other motor driven devices to slow down to the speed they actually need to run at.  They can adjust even lower as less flow is required to meet setpoint.  Up until they became widespread, motors would run as hard as they could and then back pressure would be imposed on them to slow them down.  It's described as driving with the gas pedal to the floor, and using your brake pedal to adjust your speed.  A terrible amount of energy would be wasted.  Many buildings can go from energy hogs to EnergyStar rated by installing VFDs.  Even better motors are becoming widespread now that are called electronically commutated motors (ECMs), which provide even further savings and accuracy for facilities worldwide.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":36799.0,"score_ratio":1.6}
{"post_id":"5bb71o","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"What were some \"game changing\" ideas and innovations in the history of your engineering field?","c_root_id_A":"d9nc0nb","c_root_id_B":"d9o2vq5","created_at_utc_A":1478381226,"created_at_utc_B":1478437394,"score_A":3,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"Electronic controls for engines.","human_ref_B":"Melting a reactor core at Three Mile Island led to the NRC deciding that a degreed engineer must be on site and assigned to the control room at all times to assess reactor thermalhydraulics and ensure critical safety functions are maintained during transient response.   And it's turned out that having someone in the control room who is not allowed to operate any equipment, who's only job is to remain independent of the operators and evaluate plant response is very useful and helps to prevent group think.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":56168.0,"score_ratio":2.6666666667}
{"post_id":"5bb71o","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"What were some \"game changing\" ideas and innovations in the history of your engineering field?","c_root_id_A":"d9nikfm","c_root_id_B":"d9n62zt","created_at_utc_A":1478391085,"created_at_utc_B":1478372522,"score_A":8,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"A little stereotypical, but: the transistor  Also: just about anything from Claude Shannon  OFDM makes a lot of the wireless networks around the world work.  Turbocodes were a phenomenal breakthrough as well (in addition to their use with the Viterbi soft-decision decoder).  LDPC added a neat dimension as well.","human_ref_B":"Azimuthing Stern Drives on tug boats.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":18563.0,"score_ratio":1.1428571429}
{"post_id":"5bb71o","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"What were some \"game changing\" ideas and innovations in the history of your engineering field?","c_root_id_A":"d9n7jgs","c_root_id_B":"d9nikfm","created_at_utc_A":1478374612,"created_at_utc_B":1478391085,"score_A":7,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"The Haber Process for making steel. The price literally dropped by half overnight. And over the next few years fell to only 1\/10th what it was earlier.","human_ref_B":"A little stereotypical, but: the transistor  Also: just about anything from Claude Shannon  OFDM makes a lot of the wireless networks around the world work.  Turbocodes were a phenomenal breakthrough as well (in addition to their use with the Viterbi soft-decision decoder).  LDPC added a neat dimension as well.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":16473.0,"score_ratio":1.1428571429}
{"post_id":"5bb71o","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"What were some \"game changing\" ideas and innovations in the history of your engineering field?","c_root_id_A":"d9nc0nb","c_root_id_B":"d9nikfm","created_at_utc_A":1478381226,"created_at_utc_B":1478391085,"score_A":3,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"Electronic controls for engines.","human_ref_B":"A little stereotypical, but: the transistor  Also: just about anything from Claude Shannon  OFDM makes a lot of the wireless networks around the world work.  Turbocodes were a phenomenal breakthrough as well (in addition to their use with the Viterbi soft-decision decoder).  LDPC added a neat dimension as well.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9859.0,"score_ratio":2.6666666667}
{"post_id":"5bb71o","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"What were some \"game changing\" ideas and innovations in the history of your engineering field?","c_root_id_A":"d9nc0nb","c_root_id_B":"d9nj8wl","created_at_utc_A":1478381226,"created_at_utc_B":1478392062,"score_A":3,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Electronic controls for engines.","human_ref_B":"For mechanical engineering I definitely think the biggest technological advance has been the widespread availability of FEA and CFD solvers.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10836.0,"score_ratio":2.3333333333}
{"post_id":"5bb71o","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"What were some \"game changing\" ideas and innovations in the history of your engineering field?","c_root_id_A":"d9np7fe","c_root_id_B":"d9nc0nb","created_at_utc_A":1478400595,"created_at_utc_B":1478381226,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"The variable frequency drive (VFD) allows pumps, fans, and other motor driven devices to slow down to the speed they actually need to run at.  They can adjust even lower as less flow is required to meet setpoint.  Up until they became widespread, motors would run as hard as they could and then back pressure would be imposed on them to slow them down.  It's described as driving with the gas pedal to the floor, and using your brake pedal to adjust your speed.  A terrible amount of energy would be wasted.  Many buildings can go from energy hogs to EnergyStar rated by installing VFDs.  Even better motors are becoming widespread now that are called electronically commutated motors (ECMs), which provide even further savings and accuracy for facilities worldwide.","human_ref_B":"Electronic controls for engines.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":19369.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"wkgljt","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Would a solar panel that is not connected to a load have a lower surface temperature than one that is providing load because of conservation of energy? I know this sounds a bit like a homework problem, but it was a discussion I was having with my boss today.  We were considering what happens to a solar PV array when it is providing load and if the load has a cooling effect on the panel surface. I framed this as a thought problem:  Imagine you had two identical closed systems each containing a solar PV array. One was connected to a resistance heater and one was connected to nothing. Each system receives the same amount of solar radiation so energy input is the same. Since heat input is the same, both systems should reach the same equilibrium temperature. However, for this to happen in the system running a resistance heater, the only reasonable explanation we could come up with is that the inactive array's surface temp is actually lower than the one that is powering the resistance heater.  Are we both missing something here? Does a working solar panel that is serving a load reduce the temperature of the panel surface?","c_root_id_A":"ijni7is","c_root_id_B":"ijndwv7","created_at_utc_A":1660090062,"created_at_utc_B":1660088169,"score_A":239,"score_B":26,"human_ref_A":"I've visited a couple utility scale solar farms. In order to identify broken solar panels they fly a drone with a thermal camera over the field. Broken panels are hotter than the rest.  I think it's because a non-functional panel is just holding all of the sun's energy as heat, while a loaded panel is converting some of the energy into electricity.","human_ref_B":">Since heat input is the same, both systems should reach the same equilibrium temperature.  This isn't quite right, they would reach the same equilibrium power flow out. Conservation of temperature isn't a thing.   For both you have the same amount of charge carriers being created (this is a function of temperature to some extent but not necessary to consider here). On the power out flow side you'll have load and cooling losses (convection if no active cooling). Since the disconnected PV doesn't have the load it'll just reach a higher temperature until its convection losses equalize with the power in (like any other object left in the sun).","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1893.0,"score_ratio":9.1923076923}
{"post_id":"wkgljt","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Would a solar panel that is not connected to a load have a lower surface temperature than one that is providing load because of conservation of energy? I know this sounds a bit like a homework problem, but it was a discussion I was having with my boss today.  We were considering what happens to a solar PV array when it is providing load and if the load has a cooling effect on the panel surface. I framed this as a thought problem:  Imagine you had two identical closed systems each containing a solar PV array. One was connected to a resistance heater and one was connected to nothing. Each system receives the same amount of solar radiation so energy input is the same. Since heat input is the same, both systems should reach the same equilibrium temperature. However, for this to happen in the system running a resistance heater, the only reasonable explanation we could come up with is that the inactive array's surface temp is actually lower than the one that is powering the resistance heater.  Are we both missing something here? Does a working solar panel that is serving a load reduce the temperature of the panel surface?","c_root_id_A":"ijndwv7","c_root_id_B":"ijnjnxk","created_at_utc_A":1660088169,"created_at_utc_B":1660090710,"score_A":26,"score_B":55,"human_ref_A":">Since heat input is the same, both systems should reach the same equilibrium temperature.  This isn't quite right, they would reach the same equilibrium power flow out. Conservation of temperature isn't a thing.   For both you have the same amount of charge carriers being created (this is a function of temperature to some extent but not necessary to consider here). On the power out flow side you'll have load and cooling losses (convection if no active cooling). Since the disconnected PV doesn't have the load it'll just reach a higher temperature until its convection losses equalize with the power in (like any other object left in the sun).","human_ref_B":"Solar panels that are powering a load are definitely running cooler.  The energy absorbed at the panel is the same in either situation, but the electrical circuit transfers the energy for the load from the panel so it cools off.  In spacecraft design we take this into consideration when managing heat loads around the craft.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2541.0,"score_ratio":2.1153846154}
{"post_id":"edos5o","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Why cant petrol be used in a diesel cycle. It does self combust under a specific compression ratio which could be attained","c_root_id_A":"fbj8j6w","c_root_id_B":"fbj8wlm","created_at_utc_A":1576927541,"created_at_utc_B":1576927822,"score_A":36,"score_B":107,"human_ref_A":"A diesel motor will run on gasoline, for a while.   Gasoline (petrol) isn't lubricating while diesel fuel is, and a diesel engine requires this lubrication from the fuel. Eventually a diesel motor running on gasoline would seize up and die because of this.","human_ref_B":"It can. However, the fuel gear is not designed to cope with it.  For diesel injection, the critical property for the correct atomisation of fuel is the viscosity of the fuel. Too high viscosity and the fuel droplets are too large, too low and you actually get a fuel jet rather than a fine mist. In fact, large marine diesel engines can run on a wide range of fuels from light gasoils to heavy residual fuels, as long as the viscosity is controlled appropriately.  The correct viscosity also provides a lubricating effect to the fuel pumps and injectors. Using petrol in a diesel engine usually results in massively excessive wear.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":281.0,"score_ratio":2.9722222222}
{"post_id":"edos5o","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Why cant petrol be used in a diesel cycle. It does self combust under a specific compression ratio which could be attained","c_root_id_A":"fbj8j6w","c_root_id_B":"fbjt6uw","created_at_utc_A":1576927541,"created_at_utc_B":1576939626,"score_A":36,"score_B":55,"human_ref_A":"A diesel motor will run on gasoline, for a while.   Gasoline (petrol) isn't lubricating while diesel fuel is, and a diesel engine requires this lubrication from the fuel. Eventually a diesel motor running on gasoline would seize up and die because of this.","human_ref_B":"Older US military diesels could run off virtually anything that was flammable and could be pumped, jet fuel, cooking oil, kerosene, etc. Even then, gasoline is one of the worst options due to the lubrication and would usually have motor oil added like you would in a two stroke.  Essentially most fuels will leave an oily film on the internal parts, gasoline will dissolve those and leave it clean (and thus prone to wear). A simple example you may see everyday is on the handles of fuel pumps. The gasoline ones are usually pretty clean since the fuel evaporates, diesel pumps will usually have that oily film leftover.  https:\/\/en.m.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/M35_series_2%C2%BD-ton_6x6_cargo_truck","labels":0,"seconds_difference":12085.0,"score_ratio":1.5277777778}
{"post_id":"edos5o","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Why cant petrol be used in a diesel cycle. It does self combust under a specific compression ratio which could be attained","c_root_id_A":"fbjt6uw","c_root_id_B":"fbjrora","created_at_utc_A":1576939626,"created_at_utc_B":1576938894,"score_A":55,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"Older US military diesels could run off virtually anything that was flammable and could be pumped, jet fuel, cooking oil, kerosene, etc. Even then, gasoline is one of the worst options due to the lubrication and would usually have motor oil added like you would in a two stroke.  Essentially most fuels will leave an oily film on the internal parts, gasoline will dissolve those and leave it clean (and thus prone to wear). A simple example you may see everyday is on the handles of fuel pumps. The gasoline ones are usually pretty clean since the fuel evaporates, diesel pumps will usually have that oily film leftover.  https:\/\/en.m.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/M35_series_2%C2%BD-ton_6x6_cargo_truck","human_ref_B":"It can under certain conditions. Mazdas SPCCI seems to be the current state-of-the-art in dealing with these circumstances in consumer engines.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":732.0,"score_ratio":4.5833333333}
{"post_id":"nr2ino","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Has anybody relocated from the US to Europe recently? Was it worth it? I'll be finishing my Ph.D. soon in Mat Sci&Eng in the US working on semiconductors. Mostly for lasers and LEDs. I'm looking at jobs all over and keeping my options open, but specifically the bay area has a ton of potential opportunities (obviously) and there are a few companies in Europe I'd seriously consider, specifically Austria and Germany.  I've looked a bit into moving abroad, and it seems like I'd be taking a decent pay cut. Sure the cost of living is much lower than the bay area, but even adjusting for that and things like healthcare coverage it still seems like a lower take home pay.  Has this been people's experience generally? Not to say there aren't benefits to moving aside from pay (work life balance, etc) but has it been 'worth it' in your opinion?  Logistically the path would be pretty clear, but it'd be great to have a comparison of salary\/benefits\/QoL","c_root_id_A":"h0eiuu9","c_root_id_B":"h0e8car","created_at_utc_A":1622695151,"created_at_utc_B":1622689133,"score_A":39,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"A few years ago I relocated to Germany in aerospace. I took a little bit of a pay cut   (10-15% variable based on exchange rate). But as others have mentioned the benefits vary by quite a bit. I got an extra 3 weeks vacation compared to my job in the US, I lived in a big city so I did not own a car, so no gas, maintenance, or insurance (payed about \u20ac500 a year for travel within the city which was way less than I was paying in the US). My housing cost was about a wash, for you I imagine anywhere you can go it would be much cheaper than the bay area.   On the flip side I was not able to contribute to any US retirement accounts, so my retirement account is missing a few years of contributions, and since I\u2019m still young this can impact my   future significantly. I don\u2019t think what I put into a German pension came anywhere near what I would\u2019ve put into my 401k in the US, and I certainly wont get as much out as if I was managing the account myself.   The city I lived in is basically always ranked in the top 5 cities for quality of life in the world for any year I have looked and I believe it.   The company I worked at was very focused on keeping employees happy, and very big on work life balance. In Germany in general it was illegal for me to work more than 10 hours a   day, I had to get special authorization to work on Saturdays (which never happened anyways), and it was completely illegal for me to work Sundays. It was also illegal for my average work load over a few months to be above 40 hours a week. I also had the option to work 35 hours a week, of course getting paid for 5 less hours a week, along with prorated vacation benefits.  When I got this offer and told my US company I was going to accept, they said \u201chow does anybody get anything done out there with all these laws\u201d which really put in my mind the difference in focus on individual vs company for me.   I wanted to get out there and travel while I was still young, and until covid lockdowns it was a great experience for me, and for me it was worth taking the pay cut to live out there. I will say until you know the language it gets very lonely, not only are you living in a foreign country very far away from all your family and friends, there is a language barrier that makes it much harder to meet friends. Even the simplest of chores becomes a huge burden with the language barrier, and at least for me always having to translate in my head would be mentally draining.  As someone who likes traveling and enjoying new things I would say do it if you can. You can likely move back and get a bay area job in a few years as well, if and when you are ready to move back. If you want to travel through Europe it is cheaper to live out there and travel than to vacation from the US.","human_ref_B":"I haven't done that move, but as someone also coming up on the end of a PhD and whose prospects are also at least partially in the bay area, keep in mind that bay area job means bay area prices and salaries which are obviously going to be hard to match. Also, Europe has higher taxes to pay for the various social programs there, so I'd imagine that also partially translates in to a change in pay (not saying anything about where that money goes or the value of where it's spent or anything. I'm just guessing.)","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6018.0,"score_ratio":9.75}
{"post_id":"nr2ino","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Has anybody relocated from the US to Europe recently? Was it worth it? I'll be finishing my Ph.D. soon in Mat Sci&Eng in the US working on semiconductors. Mostly for lasers and LEDs. I'm looking at jobs all over and keeping my options open, but specifically the bay area has a ton of potential opportunities (obviously) and there are a few companies in Europe I'd seriously consider, specifically Austria and Germany.  I've looked a bit into moving abroad, and it seems like I'd be taking a decent pay cut. Sure the cost of living is much lower than the bay area, but even adjusting for that and things like healthcare coverage it still seems like a lower take home pay.  Has this been people's experience generally? Not to say there aren't benefits to moving aside from pay (work life balance, etc) but has it been 'worth it' in your opinion?  Logistically the path would be pretty clear, but it'd be great to have a comparison of salary\/benefits\/QoL","c_root_id_A":"h0eiuu9","c_root_id_B":"h0efljj","created_at_utc_A":1622695151,"created_at_utc_B":1622693227,"score_A":39,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"A few years ago I relocated to Germany in aerospace. I took a little bit of a pay cut   (10-15% variable based on exchange rate). But as others have mentioned the benefits vary by quite a bit. I got an extra 3 weeks vacation compared to my job in the US, I lived in a big city so I did not own a car, so no gas, maintenance, or insurance (payed about \u20ac500 a year for travel within the city which was way less than I was paying in the US). My housing cost was about a wash, for you I imagine anywhere you can go it would be much cheaper than the bay area.   On the flip side I was not able to contribute to any US retirement accounts, so my retirement account is missing a few years of contributions, and since I\u2019m still young this can impact my   future significantly. I don\u2019t think what I put into a German pension came anywhere near what I would\u2019ve put into my 401k in the US, and I certainly wont get as much out as if I was managing the account myself.   The city I lived in is basically always ranked in the top 5 cities for quality of life in the world for any year I have looked and I believe it.   The company I worked at was very focused on keeping employees happy, and very big on work life balance. In Germany in general it was illegal for me to work more than 10 hours a   day, I had to get special authorization to work on Saturdays (which never happened anyways), and it was completely illegal for me to work Sundays. It was also illegal for my average work load over a few months to be above 40 hours a week. I also had the option to work 35 hours a week, of course getting paid for 5 less hours a week, along with prorated vacation benefits.  When I got this offer and told my US company I was going to accept, they said \u201chow does anybody get anything done out there with all these laws\u201d which really put in my mind the difference in focus on individual vs company for me.   I wanted to get out there and travel while I was still young, and until covid lockdowns it was a great experience for me, and for me it was worth taking the pay cut to live out there. I will say until you know the language it gets very lonely, not only are you living in a foreign country very far away from all your family and friends, there is a language barrier that makes it much harder to meet friends. Even the simplest of chores becomes a huge burden with the language barrier, and at least for me always having to translate in my head would be mentally draining.  As someone who likes traveling and enjoying new things I would say do it if you can. You can likely move back and get a bay area job in a few years as well, if and when you are ready to move back. If you want to travel through Europe it is cheaper to live out there and travel than to vacation from the US.","human_ref_B":"So......  I would move to Europe. You cannot replace that experience and as you grow older, it will be harder and harder to make these opportunities happen because more of your life will tie you to a specific location. Living abroad is enormously educational, enjoyable, and helps you grow as a person, and optimizing only for cash is just not optimizing for the right things, IMHO.   TLDR: look at the value of the experience beyond cash, and value yourself and shaping your unique perspective.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1924.0,"score_ratio":13.0}
{"post_id":"nr2ino","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Has anybody relocated from the US to Europe recently? Was it worth it? I'll be finishing my Ph.D. soon in Mat Sci&Eng in the US working on semiconductors. Mostly for lasers and LEDs. I'm looking at jobs all over and keeping my options open, but specifically the bay area has a ton of potential opportunities (obviously) and there are a few companies in Europe I'd seriously consider, specifically Austria and Germany.  I've looked a bit into moving abroad, and it seems like I'd be taking a decent pay cut. Sure the cost of living is much lower than the bay area, but even adjusting for that and things like healthcare coverage it still seems like a lower take home pay.  Has this been people's experience generally? Not to say there aren't benefits to moving aside from pay (work life balance, etc) but has it been 'worth it' in your opinion?  Logistically the path would be pretty clear, but it'd be great to have a comparison of salary\/benefits\/QoL","c_root_id_A":"h0eiuu9","c_root_id_B":"h0ecymw","created_at_utc_A":1622695151,"created_at_utc_B":1622691720,"score_A":39,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"A few years ago I relocated to Germany in aerospace. I took a little bit of a pay cut   (10-15% variable based on exchange rate). But as others have mentioned the benefits vary by quite a bit. I got an extra 3 weeks vacation compared to my job in the US, I lived in a big city so I did not own a car, so no gas, maintenance, or insurance (payed about \u20ac500 a year for travel within the city which was way less than I was paying in the US). My housing cost was about a wash, for you I imagine anywhere you can go it would be much cheaper than the bay area.   On the flip side I was not able to contribute to any US retirement accounts, so my retirement account is missing a few years of contributions, and since I\u2019m still young this can impact my   future significantly. I don\u2019t think what I put into a German pension came anywhere near what I would\u2019ve put into my 401k in the US, and I certainly wont get as much out as if I was managing the account myself.   The city I lived in is basically always ranked in the top 5 cities for quality of life in the world for any year I have looked and I believe it.   The company I worked at was very focused on keeping employees happy, and very big on work life balance. In Germany in general it was illegal for me to work more than 10 hours a   day, I had to get special authorization to work on Saturdays (which never happened anyways), and it was completely illegal for me to work Sundays. It was also illegal for my average work load over a few months to be above 40 hours a week. I also had the option to work 35 hours a week, of course getting paid for 5 less hours a week, along with prorated vacation benefits.  When I got this offer and told my US company I was going to accept, they said \u201chow does anybody get anything done out there with all these laws\u201d which really put in my mind the difference in focus on individual vs company for me.   I wanted to get out there and travel while I was still young, and until covid lockdowns it was a great experience for me, and for me it was worth taking the pay cut to live out there. I will say until you know the language it gets very lonely, not only are you living in a foreign country very far away from all your family and friends, there is a language barrier that makes it much harder to meet friends. Even the simplest of chores becomes a huge burden with the language barrier, and at least for me always having to translate in my head would be mentally draining.  As someone who likes traveling and enjoying new things I would say do it if you can. You can likely move back and get a bay area job in a few years as well, if and when you are ready to move back. If you want to travel through Europe it is cheaper to live out there and travel than to vacation from the US.","human_ref_B":"If you're American, this will be more of a challenge.  If you have EU, citizenship, this will be a breeze.    Also, keep in mind everyone in Europe gets nearly 6 weeks of vacation so that could be a big part of why you're thinking the salaries are lower.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3431.0,"score_ratio":19.5}
{"post_id":"nr2ino","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Has anybody relocated from the US to Europe recently? Was it worth it? I'll be finishing my Ph.D. soon in Mat Sci&Eng in the US working on semiconductors. Mostly for lasers and LEDs. I'm looking at jobs all over and keeping my options open, but specifically the bay area has a ton of potential opportunities (obviously) and there are a few companies in Europe I'd seriously consider, specifically Austria and Germany.  I've looked a bit into moving abroad, and it seems like I'd be taking a decent pay cut. Sure the cost of living is much lower than the bay area, but even adjusting for that and things like healthcare coverage it still seems like a lower take home pay.  Has this been people's experience generally? Not to say there aren't benefits to moving aside from pay (work life balance, etc) but has it been 'worth it' in your opinion?  Logistically the path would be pretty clear, but it'd be great to have a comparison of salary\/benefits\/QoL","c_root_id_A":"h0ej0mu","c_root_id_B":"h0efljj","created_at_utc_A":1622695249,"created_at_utc_B":1622693227,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"In europe, most engineers don't have a debt from their study. In US the pay needs to be higher to compensate it.  Also there are large differences of pay within Europe,  and large differences in taxation.  Good luck.","human_ref_B":"So......  I would move to Europe. You cannot replace that experience and as you grow older, it will be harder and harder to make these opportunities happen because more of your life will tie you to a specific location. Living abroad is enormously educational, enjoyable, and helps you grow as a person, and optimizing only for cash is just not optimizing for the right things, IMHO.   TLDR: look at the value of the experience beyond cash, and value yourself and shaping your unique perspective.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2022.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"nr2ino","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Has anybody relocated from the US to Europe recently? Was it worth it? I'll be finishing my Ph.D. soon in Mat Sci&Eng in the US working on semiconductors. Mostly for lasers and LEDs. I'm looking at jobs all over and keeping my options open, but specifically the bay area has a ton of potential opportunities (obviously) and there are a few companies in Europe I'd seriously consider, specifically Austria and Germany.  I've looked a bit into moving abroad, and it seems like I'd be taking a decent pay cut. Sure the cost of living is much lower than the bay area, but even adjusting for that and things like healthcare coverage it still seems like a lower take home pay.  Has this been people's experience generally? Not to say there aren't benefits to moving aside from pay (work life balance, etc) but has it been 'worth it' in your opinion?  Logistically the path would be pretty clear, but it'd be great to have a comparison of salary\/benefits\/QoL","c_root_id_A":"h0ej0mu","c_root_id_B":"h0ecymw","created_at_utc_A":1622695249,"created_at_utc_B":1622691720,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"In europe, most engineers don't have a debt from their study. In US the pay needs to be higher to compensate it.  Also there are large differences of pay within Europe,  and large differences in taxation.  Good luck.","human_ref_B":"If you're American, this will be more of a challenge.  If you have EU, citizenship, this will be a breeze.    Also, keep in mind everyone in Europe gets nearly 6 weeks of vacation so that could be a big part of why you're thinking the salaries are lower.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3529.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"nr2ino","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Has anybody relocated from the US to Europe recently? Was it worth it? I'll be finishing my Ph.D. soon in Mat Sci&Eng in the US working on semiconductors. Mostly for lasers and LEDs. I'm looking at jobs all over and keeping my options open, but specifically the bay area has a ton of potential opportunities (obviously) and there are a few companies in Europe I'd seriously consider, specifically Austria and Germany.  I've looked a bit into moving abroad, and it seems like I'd be taking a decent pay cut. Sure the cost of living is much lower than the bay area, but even adjusting for that and things like healthcare coverage it still seems like a lower take home pay.  Has this been people's experience generally? Not to say there aren't benefits to moving aside from pay (work life balance, etc) but has it been 'worth it' in your opinion?  Logistically the path would be pretty clear, but it'd be great to have a comparison of salary\/benefits\/QoL","c_root_id_A":"h0ecymw","c_root_id_B":"h0efljj","created_at_utc_A":1622691720,"created_at_utc_B":1622693227,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"If you're American, this will be more of a challenge.  If you have EU, citizenship, this will be a breeze.    Also, keep in mind everyone in Europe gets nearly 6 weeks of vacation so that could be a big part of why you're thinking the salaries are lower.","human_ref_B":"So......  I would move to Europe. You cannot replace that experience and as you grow older, it will be harder and harder to make these opportunities happen because more of your life will tie you to a specific location. Living abroad is enormously educational, enjoyable, and helps you grow as a person, and optimizing only for cash is just not optimizing for the right things, IMHO.   TLDR: look at the value of the experience beyond cash, and value yourself and shaping your unique perspective.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1507.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"nr2ino","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Has anybody relocated from the US to Europe recently? Was it worth it? I'll be finishing my Ph.D. soon in Mat Sci&Eng in the US working on semiconductors. Mostly for lasers and LEDs. I'm looking at jobs all over and keeping my options open, but specifically the bay area has a ton of potential opportunities (obviously) and there are a few companies in Europe I'd seriously consider, specifically Austria and Germany.  I've looked a bit into moving abroad, and it seems like I'd be taking a decent pay cut. Sure the cost of living is much lower than the bay area, but even adjusting for that and things like healthcare coverage it still seems like a lower take home pay.  Has this been people's experience generally? Not to say there aren't benefits to moving aside from pay (work life balance, etc) but has it been 'worth it' in your opinion?  Logistically the path would be pretty clear, but it'd be great to have a comparison of salary\/benefits\/QoL","c_root_id_A":"h0fe0rs","c_root_id_B":"h0ecymw","created_at_utc_A":1622719963,"created_at_utc_B":1622691720,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I can't say specifics for Germany or semiconductors, but I from my experience with Europeans, yes you will probably take \\~50% nominal pay cut. This reduces when you consider the Europeans typically report their salary after taxes vs Americans that report it before taxes, and there are benefits like extra vacation, shorter working hours, and healthcare.  One conversation with a stranger on a flight: a PhD holder in materials science from the UK was relocating to the US for about double his salary.  In Poland, engineers with a bachelor's\/master's tend to make about 1\/3 to 1\/4 of their US counterparts (but Poland has a much lower cost of living than the US).  Your hypothetical scenario of making 80k vs 120k seems realistic to me, but the \"80k\" in Europe typically assumes that you've already paid taxes, so when you consider how much you can add to your bank account each year, it will probably only be around 20% less in Europe.","human_ref_B":"If you're American, this will be more of a challenge.  If you have EU, citizenship, this will be a breeze.    Also, keep in mind everyone in Europe gets nearly 6 weeks of vacation so that could be a big part of why you're thinking the salaries are lower.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":28243.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"nr2ino","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Has anybody relocated from the US to Europe recently? Was it worth it? I'll be finishing my Ph.D. soon in Mat Sci&Eng in the US working on semiconductors. Mostly for lasers and LEDs. I'm looking at jobs all over and keeping my options open, but specifically the bay area has a ton of potential opportunities (obviously) and there are a few companies in Europe I'd seriously consider, specifically Austria and Germany.  I've looked a bit into moving abroad, and it seems like I'd be taking a decent pay cut. Sure the cost of living is much lower than the bay area, but even adjusting for that and things like healthcare coverage it still seems like a lower take home pay.  Has this been people's experience generally? Not to say there aren't benefits to moving aside from pay (work life balance, etc) but has it been 'worth it' in your opinion?  Logistically the path would be pretty clear, but it'd be great to have a comparison of salary\/benefits\/QoL","c_root_id_A":"h0excyx","c_root_id_B":"h0fe0rs","created_at_utc_A":1622705948,"created_at_utc_B":1622719963,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I work at my company's Bay Area headquarters, and I've taken a few business trips to our European offices. Living and working (ahem, excuse me, \"conducting business\") somewhere else for a bit is pretty exciting, and I fully agree that the experience is probably priceless. If you're big on European travel then you can take tons of trips within Europe as well as someone else mentioned; my old manager did that during a 6-month stint in London.  So that's the QOL part of it. Benefits, I can't say much about because I don't know what they're like elsewhere.  Now, on to the money part. I'm pretty sure it's just housing that makes Bay Area COL high; almost everything else is going to be cheaper than Europe. I'm not even too sure about housing since it probably depends a lot on where exactly in the Bay Area or in Europe you'd live, whether you buy\/rent, when you sell, etc.  Keep in mind taxes as well; US citizens like myself have to pay the max of (foreign tax, US tax) on income earned anywhere in the world.  You can make a spreadsheet and try to estimate what your future will look like if you do or don't go and for different lengths of time. If I were to move to Singapore for even a year (I like it but the pay there is really terrible at my company), I would probably be giving up on ever being able to own a single family home in many parts of the Bay Area, since there would be no way to catch up with all the people who stayed in the US and saved for down payment while I was gone. But I want to stay in the Bay Area long-term. So, working abroad is probably not for me.","human_ref_B":"I can't say specifics for Germany or semiconductors, but I from my experience with Europeans, yes you will probably take \\~50% nominal pay cut. This reduces when you consider the Europeans typically report their salary after taxes vs Americans that report it before taxes, and there are benefits like extra vacation, shorter working hours, and healthcare.  One conversation with a stranger on a flight: a PhD holder in materials science from the UK was relocating to the US for about double his salary.  In Poland, engineers with a bachelor's\/master's tend to make about 1\/3 to 1\/4 of their US counterparts (but Poland has a much lower cost of living than the US).  Your hypothetical scenario of making 80k vs 120k seems realistic to me, but the \"80k\" in Europe typically assumes that you've already paid taxes, so when you consider how much you can add to your bank account each year, it will probably only be around 20% less in Europe.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":14015.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"nr2ino","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Has anybody relocated from the US to Europe recently? Was it worth it? I'll be finishing my Ph.D. soon in Mat Sci&Eng in the US working on semiconductors. Mostly for lasers and LEDs. I'm looking at jobs all over and keeping my options open, but specifically the bay area has a ton of potential opportunities (obviously) and there are a few companies in Europe I'd seriously consider, specifically Austria and Germany.  I've looked a bit into moving abroad, and it seems like I'd be taking a decent pay cut. Sure the cost of living is much lower than the bay area, but even adjusting for that and things like healthcare coverage it still seems like a lower take home pay.  Has this been people's experience generally? Not to say there aren't benefits to moving aside from pay (work life balance, etc) but has it been 'worth it' in your opinion?  Logistically the path would be pretty clear, but it'd be great to have a comparison of salary\/benefits\/QoL","c_root_id_A":"h0ekzqg","c_root_id_B":"h0fe0rs","created_at_utc_A":1622696450,"created_at_utc_B":1622719963,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"From a purely financial standpoint, it won't make much sense to take a position in Germany. US salaries are much higher and healthcare in Germany while 'free' will be about 15% of your salary in taxes which is also higher than most US employer options.  If you can get outsized career development or want the experience of living abroad the intangibles or future career growth could be net positive still but the pure financials for that time won't be.","human_ref_B":"I can't say specifics for Germany or semiconductors, but I from my experience with Europeans, yes you will probably take \\~50% nominal pay cut. This reduces when you consider the Europeans typically report their salary after taxes vs Americans that report it before taxes, and there are benefits like extra vacation, shorter working hours, and healthcare.  One conversation with a stranger on a flight: a PhD holder in materials science from the UK was relocating to the US for about double his salary.  In Poland, engineers with a bachelor's\/master's tend to make about 1\/3 to 1\/4 of their US counterparts (but Poland has a much lower cost of living than the US).  Your hypothetical scenario of making 80k vs 120k seems realistic to me, but the \"80k\" in Europe typically assumes that you've already paid taxes, so when you consider how much you can add to your bank account each year, it will probably only be around 20% less in Europe.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":23513.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"4dy3an","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.79,"history":"Traveling after college graduation without a job lined up? Am wondering if anyone has experience doing this? I will be graduating with a B.S. in Mechanical Engineering in May 2016. However, I do not have a job line up after graduation yet and am quite worried about that. I have a 1-1.5 month Euro trip planned out for the most part. I REALLY REALLY want to take this trip and have the funds set aside to do so.  Naturally when I started planning out this trip I really expected that I would have a job by now, but the job search has been really tough for me. I'm not sure if it is still a good idea to take this 1 month Euro trip, even though I really want to.  If anyone that has been in this situation or can provide any advice, please do!  Also wondering if this will have a negative impact on any future interviews.  Thanks all!","c_root_id_A":"d1vh2dr","c_root_id_B":"d1vglk8","created_at_utc_A":1460151681,"created_at_utc_B":1460150965,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"When I had almost finished my masters, I took two months off to be a ski bum in western canada. Well, almost off: my schedule mostly consisted of skiing every morning until 1-3pm, then doing some thesis-writing until bed time. Still, it was awesome, would recommend. Didn't have a job lined up, took a few months to land one after I got back and started hunting. I sold my car when I got back and lived on the proceeds for those months.","human_ref_B":"I went to Australia without a return date.  I just started apply for jobs after 6 month and came back when a few were lined up.   There is a reason they say travel on a cv makes you look better,  it made me a better person I think","labels":1,"seconds_difference":716.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"4dy3an","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.79,"history":"Traveling after college graduation without a job lined up? Am wondering if anyone has experience doing this? I will be graduating with a B.S. in Mechanical Engineering in May 2016. However, I do not have a job line up after graduation yet and am quite worried about that. I have a 1-1.5 month Euro trip planned out for the most part. I REALLY REALLY want to take this trip and have the funds set aside to do so.  Naturally when I started planning out this trip I really expected that I would have a job by now, but the job search has been really tough for me. I'm not sure if it is still a good idea to take this 1 month Euro trip, even though I really want to.  If anyone that has been in this situation or can provide any advice, please do!  Also wondering if this will have a negative impact on any future interviews.  Thanks all!","c_root_id_A":"d1vglk8","c_root_id_B":"d1vjl4n","created_at_utc_A":1460150965,"created_at_utc_B":1460155640,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I went to Australia without a return date.  I just started apply for jobs after 6 month and came back when a few were lined up.   There is a reason they say travel on a cv makes you look better,  it made me a better person I think","human_ref_B":"Do it. I used my last summer to do the exact same thing instead of finding an internship and I don't regret it one bit.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4675.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"4dy3an","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.79,"history":"Traveling after college graduation without a job lined up? Am wondering if anyone has experience doing this? I will be graduating with a B.S. in Mechanical Engineering in May 2016. However, I do not have a job line up after graduation yet and am quite worried about that. I have a 1-1.5 month Euro trip planned out for the most part. I REALLY REALLY want to take this trip and have the funds set aside to do so.  Naturally when I started planning out this trip I really expected that I would have a job by now, but the job search has been really tough for me. I'm not sure if it is still a good idea to take this 1 month Euro trip, even though I really want to.  If anyone that has been in this situation or can provide any advice, please do!  Also wondering if this will have a negative impact on any future interviews.  Thanks all!","c_root_id_A":"d1vglk8","c_root_id_B":"d1wdqfd","created_at_utc_A":1460150965,"created_at_utc_B":1460225939,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I went to Australia without a return date.  I just started apply for jobs after 6 month and came back when a few were lined up.   There is a reason they say travel on a cv makes you look better,  it made me a better person I think","human_ref_B":"I actually can't imagine doing this, but then again, I don't come from money at all, and wouldn't have had the finances to make this happen. Going to Europe for a month without having a job, before you ever start working.. that's off to me. But again, that's just me.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":74974.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"4dy3an","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.79,"history":"Traveling after college graduation without a job lined up? Am wondering if anyone has experience doing this? I will be graduating with a B.S. in Mechanical Engineering in May 2016. However, I do not have a job line up after graduation yet and am quite worried about that. I have a 1-1.5 month Euro trip planned out for the most part. I REALLY REALLY want to take this trip and have the funds set aside to do so.  Naturally when I started planning out this trip I really expected that I would have a job by now, but the job search has been really tough for me. I'm not sure if it is still a good idea to take this 1 month Euro trip, even though I really want to.  If anyone that has been in this situation or can provide any advice, please do!  Also wondering if this will have a negative impact on any future interviews.  Thanks all!","c_root_id_A":"d1wdqfd","c_root_id_B":"d1vu57z","created_at_utc_A":1460225939,"created_at_utc_B":1460174983,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I actually can't imagine doing this, but then again, I don't come from money at all, and wouldn't have had the finances to make this happen. Going to Europe for a month without having a job, before you ever start working.. that's off to me. But again, that's just me.","human_ref_B":"DO IT","labels":1,"seconds_difference":50956.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"4dy3an","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.79,"history":"Traveling after college graduation without a job lined up? Am wondering if anyone has experience doing this? I will be graduating with a B.S. in Mechanical Engineering in May 2016. However, I do not have a job line up after graduation yet and am quite worried about that. I have a 1-1.5 month Euro trip planned out for the most part. I REALLY REALLY want to take this trip and have the funds set aside to do so.  Naturally when I started planning out this trip I really expected that I would have a job by now, but the job search has been really tough for me. I'm not sure if it is still a good idea to take this 1 month Euro trip, even though I really want to.  If anyone that has been in this situation or can provide any advice, please do!  Also wondering if this will have a negative impact on any future interviews.  Thanks all!","c_root_id_A":"d1vxs2u","c_root_id_B":"d1wdqfd","created_at_utc_A":1460184686,"created_at_utc_B":1460225939,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Thanks op! I had this exact question...  As a followup, how long is too long? I'd love to take 2-3 months with half of that spent saving money and doing small projects which have been put off and the rest traveling...","human_ref_B":"I actually can't imagine doing this, but then again, I don't come from money at all, and wouldn't have had the finances to make this happen. Going to Europe for a month without having a job, before you ever start working.. that's off to me. But again, that's just me.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":41253.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"4dy3an","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.79,"history":"Traveling after college graduation without a job lined up? Am wondering if anyone has experience doing this? I will be graduating with a B.S. in Mechanical Engineering in May 2016. However, I do not have a job line up after graduation yet and am quite worried about that. I have a 1-1.5 month Euro trip planned out for the most part. I REALLY REALLY want to take this trip and have the funds set aside to do so.  Naturally when I started planning out this trip I really expected that I would have a job by now, but the job search has been really tough for me. I'm not sure if it is still a good idea to take this 1 month Euro trip, even though I really want to.  If anyone that has been in this situation or can provide any advice, please do!  Also wondering if this will have a negative impact on any future interviews.  Thanks all!","c_root_id_A":"d1wdqfd","c_root_id_B":"d1w5k6t","created_at_utc_A":1460225939,"created_at_utc_B":1460211824,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I actually can't imagine doing this, but then again, I don't come from money at all, and wouldn't have had the finances to make this happen. Going to Europe for a month without having a job, before you ever start working.. that's off to me. But again, that's just me.","human_ref_B":"It's not uncommon for people graduates in Britain to do this.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":14115.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"4dy3an","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.79,"history":"Traveling after college graduation without a job lined up? Am wondering if anyone has experience doing this? I will be graduating with a B.S. in Mechanical Engineering in May 2016. However, I do not have a job line up after graduation yet and am quite worried about that. I have a 1-1.5 month Euro trip planned out for the most part. I REALLY REALLY want to take this trip and have the funds set aside to do so.  Naturally when I started planning out this trip I really expected that I would have a job by now, but the job search has been really tough for me. I'm not sure if it is still a good idea to take this 1 month Euro trip, even though I really want to.  If anyone that has been in this situation or can provide any advice, please do!  Also wondering if this will have a negative impact on any future interviews.  Thanks all!","c_root_id_A":"d1wbf6v","c_root_id_B":"d1wdqfd","created_at_utc_A":1460222279,"created_at_utc_B":1460225939,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"do it","human_ref_B":"I actually can't imagine doing this, but then again, I don't come from money at all, and wouldn't have had the finances to make this happen. Going to Europe for a month without having a job, before you ever start working.. that's off to me. But again, that's just me.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3660.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"1smnfe","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.82,"history":"Interviewers, how often do you get the \"How the heck did he even graduate?\" feeling when interviewing? Just curious. Also, any interesting interview stories would be interesting as well.   Edit: I like the word interesting today.... deal with it.","c_root_id_A":"cdz4bpv","c_root_id_B":"cdz7tzm","created_at_utc_A":1386771344,"created_at_utc_B":1386780394,"score_A":27,"score_B":34,"human_ref_A":"I sometimes have to remind myself that interviewing isn't the same as doing the actual work. We often have issues with graduating grad students because we ask practical technical questions and they've been working on highly specific stuff for so long.  Also, some schools' programs seem stronger than others.","human_ref_B":"Recently interviewed a guy who claimed to design an entire eBay datacenter's electrical distribution system.  A question I figured that would help me gauge his knowledge: \"What was the datacenter's total designed load?\" \"Umm...\" \"5,000A? 10,000A?\" \"Yeah. Yup.\"","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9050.0,"score_ratio":1.2592592593}
{"post_id":"1smnfe","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.82,"history":"Interviewers, how often do you get the \"How the heck did he even graduate?\" feeling when interviewing? Just curious. Also, any interesting interview stories would be interesting as well.   Edit: I like the word interesting today.... deal with it.","c_root_id_A":"cdz51il","c_root_id_B":"cdz7tzm","created_at_utc_A":1386773558,"created_at_utc_B":1386780394,"score_A":25,"score_B":34,"human_ref_A":"I've personally found that a master's in CS from India is pretty much useless.  I don't know if they just skip over undergrad level fundamentals, or what.","human_ref_B":"Recently interviewed a guy who claimed to design an entire eBay datacenter's electrical distribution system.  A question I figured that would help me gauge his knowledge: \"What was the datacenter's total designed load?\" \"Umm...\" \"5,000A? 10,000A?\" \"Yeah. Yup.\"","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6836.0,"score_ratio":1.36}
{"post_id":"1smnfe","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.82,"history":"Interviewers, how often do you get the \"How the heck did he even graduate?\" feeling when interviewing? Just curious. Also, any interesting interview stories would be interesting as well.   Edit: I like the word interesting today.... deal with it.","c_root_id_A":"cdz7tzm","c_root_id_B":"cdz70la","created_at_utc_A":1386780394,"created_at_utc_B":1386778579,"score_A":34,"score_B":19,"human_ref_A":"Recently interviewed a guy who claimed to design an entire eBay datacenter's electrical distribution system.  A question I figured that would help me gauge his knowledge: \"What was the datacenter's total designed load?\" \"Umm...\" \"5,000A? 10,000A?\" \"Yeah. Yup.\"","human_ref_B":"Me : \"Why are you interested in this position? \"  Them : \"I don't know\"  They were walked out shortly after.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1815.0,"score_ratio":1.7894736842}
{"post_id":"1smnfe","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.82,"history":"Interviewers, how often do you get the \"How the heck did he even graduate?\" feeling when interviewing? Just curious. Also, any interesting interview stories would be interesting as well.   Edit: I like the word interesting today.... deal with it.","c_root_id_A":"cdz7tzm","c_root_id_B":"cdz70pb","created_at_utc_A":1386780394,"created_at_utc_B":1386778588,"score_A":34,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"Recently interviewed a guy who claimed to design an entire eBay datacenter's electrical distribution system.  A question I figured that would help me gauge his knowledge: \"What was the datacenter's total designed load?\" \"Umm...\" \"5,000A? 10,000A?\" \"Yeah. Yup.\"","human_ref_B":"I've only conducted a few interviews (mainly for interns), done people are great interviewers but know practically nothing (see BSers), others get caught up in their stress and trip over everything but are great workers.  Personally, I've never actually gotten a position I formally interviewed for, I've either stumbled upon jobs based on my experience\/references\/word-of-mouth or been hired got a completely different position; that said, I know I suck at interviews  Edit: accidentally sent before finishing","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1806.0,"score_ratio":3.4}
{"post_id":"1smnfe","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.82,"history":"Interviewers, how often do you get the \"How the heck did he even graduate?\" feeling when interviewing? Just curious. Also, any interesting interview stories would be interesting as well.   Edit: I like the word interesting today.... deal with it.","c_root_id_A":"cdz7tzm","c_root_id_B":"cdz4om5","created_at_utc_A":1386780394,"created_at_utc_B":1386772487,"score_A":34,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Recently interviewed a guy who claimed to design an entire eBay datacenter's electrical distribution system.  A question I figured that would help me gauge his knowledge: \"What was the datacenter's total designed load?\" \"Umm...\" \"5,000A? 10,000A?\" \"Yeah. Yup.\"","human_ref_B":"It's rare, but I remember one guy that I couldn't figure out how he tied his shoes in the morning.  I suppose it was just nerves, but gawd, that guy came across as a slightly dumber Forest Gump (and I'm not talking about simply having a Southern accent...this guy didn't.)","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7907.0,"score_ratio":3.7777777778}
{"post_id":"1smnfe","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.82,"history":"Interviewers, how often do you get the \"How the heck did he even graduate?\" feeling when interviewing? Just curious. Also, any interesting interview stories would be interesting as well.   Edit: I like the word interesting today.... deal with it.","c_root_id_A":"cdz51il","c_root_id_B":"cdz4om5","created_at_utc_A":1386773558,"created_at_utc_B":1386772487,"score_A":25,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"I've personally found that a master's in CS from India is pretty much useless.  I don't know if they just skip over undergrad level fundamentals, or what.","human_ref_B":"It's rare, but I remember one guy that I couldn't figure out how he tied his shoes in the morning.  I suppose it was just nerves, but gawd, that guy came across as a slightly dumber Forest Gump (and I'm not talking about simply having a Southern accent...this guy didn't.)","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1071.0,"score_ratio":2.7777777778}
{"post_id":"1smnfe","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.82,"history":"Interviewers, how often do you get the \"How the heck did he even graduate?\" feeling when interviewing? Just curious. Also, any interesting interview stories would be interesting as well.   Edit: I like the word interesting today.... deal with it.","c_root_id_A":"cdz4om5","c_root_id_B":"cdz70la","created_at_utc_A":1386772487,"created_at_utc_B":1386778579,"score_A":9,"score_B":19,"human_ref_A":"It's rare, but I remember one guy that I couldn't figure out how he tied his shoes in the morning.  I suppose it was just nerves, but gawd, that guy came across as a slightly dumber Forest Gump (and I'm not talking about simply having a Southern accent...this guy didn't.)","human_ref_B":"Me : \"Why are you interested in this position? \"  Them : \"I don't know\"  They were walked out shortly after.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6092.0,"score_ratio":2.1111111111}
{"post_id":"1smnfe","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.82,"history":"Interviewers, how often do you get the \"How the heck did he even graduate?\" feeling when interviewing? Just curious. Also, any interesting interview stories would be interesting as well.   Edit: I like the word interesting today.... deal with it.","c_root_id_A":"cdzbb74","c_root_id_B":"cdz70pb","created_at_utc_A":1386787777,"created_at_utc_B":1386778588,"score_A":12,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"It's not so much \"how did he graduate\", but rather \"how is he so incompetent at interviewing\".  I've interviewed people who have fantastic resumes - not just good grades (which at my company are mostly meaningless), but a huge amount of side-projects, showing true interest in the field. Games, apps, other extracurricular stuff which is truly perfect stuff to have on his resume.  When I interviewed him, all he could talk about was his body building hobby. How he started at the bottom, worked so hard, and saw great results from it after many years. I even tried to ask leading questions about items I saw on his resume, but he never actually talked to them.   This is more common than you might think.","human_ref_B":"I've only conducted a few interviews (mainly for interns), done people are great interviewers but know practically nothing (see BSers), others get caught up in their stress and trip over everything but are great workers.  Personally, I've never actually gotten a position I formally interviewed for, I've either stumbled upon jobs based on my experience\/references\/word-of-mouth or been hired got a completely different position; that said, I know I suck at interviews  Edit: accidentally sent before finishing","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9189.0,"score_ratio":1.2}
{"post_id":"1smnfe","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.82,"history":"Interviewers, how often do you get the \"How the heck did he even graduate?\" feeling when interviewing? Just curious. Also, any interesting interview stories would be interesting as well.   Edit: I like the word interesting today.... deal with it.","c_root_id_A":"cdz4om5","c_root_id_B":"cdzbb74","created_at_utc_A":1386772487,"created_at_utc_B":1386787777,"score_A":9,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"It's rare, but I remember one guy that I couldn't figure out how he tied his shoes in the morning.  I suppose it was just nerves, but gawd, that guy came across as a slightly dumber Forest Gump (and I'm not talking about simply having a Southern accent...this guy didn't.)","human_ref_B":"It's not so much \"how did he graduate\", but rather \"how is he so incompetent at interviewing\".  I've interviewed people who have fantastic resumes - not just good grades (which at my company are mostly meaningless), but a huge amount of side-projects, showing true interest in the field. Games, apps, other extracurricular stuff which is truly perfect stuff to have on his resume.  When I interviewed him, all he could talk about was his body building hobby. How he started at the bottom, worked so hard, and saw great results from it after many years. I even tried to ask leading questions about items I saw on his resume, but he never actually talked to them.   This is more common than you might think.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":15290.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"1smnfe","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.82,"history":"Interviewers, how often do you get the \"How the heck did he even graduate?\" feeling when interviewing? Just curious. Also, any interesting interview stories would be interesting as well.   Edit: I like the word interesting today.... deal with it.","c_root_id_A":"cdz70pb","c_root_id_B":"cdz954x","created_at_utc_A":1386778588,"created_at_utc_B":1386783277,"score_A":10,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"I've only conducted a few interviews (mainly for interns), done people are great interviewers but know practically nothing (see BSers), others get caught up in their stress and trip over everything but are great workers.  Personally, I've never actually gotten a position I formally interviewed for, I've either stumbled upon jobs based on my experience\/references\/word-of-mouth or been hired got a completely different position; that said, I know I suck at interviews  Edit: accidentally sent before finishing","human_ref_B":"I interview at colleges and I seriously am shocked at how stupid some of the kids are - I would say its one in three is either (1) a complete idiot (2) personality so dry I would rather speak with a brick (3) incapable of holding even a basic conversation","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4689.0,"score_ratio":1.2}
{"post_id":"1smnfe","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.82,"history":"Interviewers, how often do you get the \"How the heck did he even graduate?\" feeling when interviewing? Just curious. Also, any interesting interview stories would be interesting as well.   Edit: I like the word interesting today.... deal with it.","c_root_id_A":"cdz954x","c_root_id_B":"cdz4om5","created_at_utc_A":1386783277,"created_at_utc_B":1386772487,"score_A":12,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"I interview at colleges and I seriously am shocked at how stupid some of the kids are - I would say its one in three is either (1) a complete idiot (2) personality so dry I would rather speak with a brick (3) incapable of holding even a basic conversation","human_ref_B":"It's rare, but I remember one guy that I couldn't figure out how he tied his shoes in the morning.  I suppose it was just nerves, but gawd, that guy came across as a slightly dumber Forest Gump (and I'm not talking about simply having a Southern accent...this guy didn't.)","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10790.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"1smnfe","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.82,"history":"Interviewers, how often do you get the \"How the heck did he even graduate?\" feeling when interviewing? Just curious. Also, any interesting interview stories would be interesting as well.   Edit: I like the word interesting today.... deal with it.","c_root_id_A":"cdz4om5","c_root_id_B":"cdz70pb","created_at_utc_A":1386772487,"created_at_utc_B":1386778588,"score_A":9,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"It's rare, but I remember one guy that I couldn't figure out how he tied his shoes in the morning.  I suppose it was just nerves, but gawd, that guy came across as a slightly dumber Forest Gump (and I'm not talking about simply having a Southern accent...this guy didn't.)","human_ref_B":"I've only conducted a few interviews (mainly for interns), done people are great interviewers but know practically nothing (see BSers), others get caught up in their stress and trip over everything but are great workers.  Personally, I've never actually gotten a position I formally interviewed for, I've either stumbled upon jobs based on my experience\/references\/word-of-mouth or been hired got a completely different position; that said, I know I suck at interviews  Edit: accidentally sent before finishing","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6101.0,"score_ratio":1.1111111111}
{"post_id":"1smnfe","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.82,"history":"Interviewers, how often do you get the \"How the heck did he even graduate?\" feeling when interviewing? Just curious. Also, any interesting interview stories would be interesting as well.   Edit: I like the word interesting today.... deal with it.","c_root_id_A":"cdzeknx","c_root_id_B":"cdzmixm","created_at_utc_A":1386794431,"created_at_utc_B":1386811570,"score_A":2,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Technical\/theoretical gap, inability to properly socialize and social anxiety (I have met more engineers who are geniuses and couldn't explain how to tie shoelaces) and of course the widespread cheating in colleges that no one likes to talk about.","human_ref_B":"I once had someone come in claiming 18 years of C programming experience. It was even on the very top of the resume. *Great!* I thought *This should be a walk in the park for them*. Nope.  My favorite question to test the waters with a C candidate, as a nice, easy warmup, is to explain how you would find the M largest integers in a length N array (assume M << N, no duplicates and all positive). A talented candidate has either heard this before or can give me, very easily, a verbal answer as to how to do it within 2 minutes. Usually I'll have them whiteboard it roughly just to make sure they understand function prototypes and such. Nope, couldn't do it.   I questioned in my head whether that 18 years of experience was a load of crap, but I figured maybe I'm very intimidating. So I made it easy: find me the largest number in the array and return it. Still couldn't do it. This is really bad because I would expect someone with that level of experience to be able to implement something like memmov() more or less from scratch.  Now this is really suspicious -- any decent C programmer can knock findMax() out in 5-6 lines. What's going on? Finally we asked the candidate to write me fizzbuzz. When you're not sure about a candidate, this is a wonderful way to really separate the wheat from the chaff, because you have to be utterly incompetent to fail this.  We ended the interview day early when that question was also unsuccessfully answered.  As an interviewer, this is a great way to permanently get on my shit list, because if you're going to put something front and center on your resume and you don't prepare to be asked about it, you've not only wasted your day (since you'll never get the job), but you've wasted our time too. Never, ever lie about technical skills, because if and when someone tests you on it, you will look like an utter tool.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":17139.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"1smnfe","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.82,"history":"Interviewers, how often do you get the \"How the heck did he even graduate?\" feeling when interviewing? Just curious. Also, any interesting interview stories would be interesting as well.   Edit: I like the word interesting today.... deal with it.","c_root_id_A":"cdzfxha","c_root_id_B":"cdzeknx","created_at_utc_A":1386797163,"created_at_utc_B":1386794431,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"We had a guy who kept saying 'matrixes' instead of matrices. I just chalked it up to nerves and making a small mistake, but he kept saying it (it was part of his internship experience). When we finally got to his presentation, the PowerPoint slides actually had 'matrix's' throughout the briefing...  I am not going to hire someone that needs to be taught English (and no, English was not his second language).","human_ref_B":"Technical\/theoretical gap, inability to properly socialize and social anxiety (I have met more engineers who are geniuses and couldn't explain how to tie shoelaces) and of course the widespread cheating in colleges that no one likes to talk about.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2732.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"kevpla","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.76,"history":"Aerospace Engineers: What do you guys use Linux for? A lot of the job adverts I see within the field of my interest (Guidance, Navigation & Control) seems to list \"linux\" either as must have skill or preferred.   What do you use Linux for? They never provide much detail about what it is they want me to know about Linux.   I am looking forward to your responses. :) Thanks","c_root_id_A":"gg572zt","c_root_id_B":"gg5dqyt","created_at_utc_A":1608215788,"created_at_utc_B":1608219395,"score_A":2,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"I built a remote sensing payload for the ISS. We had three redundant computers inside. They all ran CentOS Linux. It was efficient, fast, and easy to operate from a CLI. I was the project manager and not a programmer, or even a heavy Linux user, but I learned fast - at least enough to operate the payload.","human_ref_B":"Im using it when running CFD simulations on local or remote CentOS clusters. Linux knowledge is useful when creating batch jobs of ~1000 runs for aerodynamic force databases.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3607.0,"score_ratio":3.5}
{"post_id":"sr1zn9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Advice For Manufacturing Engineer I am currently a manufacturing engineer (welding\/assembly) for an aerospace parts manufacturer and have a particular dilemma that I encounter every single day. When I am assigned with carrying out a task on the floor, whether this be a welding procedure qualification, creation of work instruction, machine maintenance duties, etc. - I am constantly challenged and told I do not know what I am talking about by production team members or just simply have to deal with bad attitudes. Is this common for any other manufacturing engineers' positions? I know what I am talking about for the most part as I have the experience and an engineering degree from a prestigious program. Never do I come off as arrogant or cocky, simply put, I am just trying to carry out the engineering activities, but bad attitudes\/disrespect is always in my way. I am seeking advice for how others combat this and how exactly I can make my career life more enjoyable and successful.  Any advice would be appreciated as this is the second company since graduation, so I am curious as to if this is just an organization culture thing.","c_root_id_A":"hwp72go","c_root_id_B":"hwp4pt5","created_at_utc_A":1644703348,"created_at_utc_B":1644702374,"score_A":42,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"I pretty much do what you do and even tho i dont know shit, the people on the floor always have my back because I always spend time talking to them and forming good relationships. I ask for their point of view and to teach me stuff.","human_ref_B":"Toxic work environments are a good sign of a time to move on.  My caveat is that you, as an engineer, need to distinguish between criticism and disrespect. Many novice engineers take critical feedback as an attack, especially female engineers. A good boss  would make this clear and mentor the difference, a mediocre boss might not.   Remember, the best time to look for work is while you're employed! Lots of good jobs out there. Good luck!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":974.0,"score_ratio":3.8181818182}
{"post_id":"sr1zn9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Advice For Manufacturing Engineer I am currently a manufacturing engineer (welding\/assembly) for an aerospace parts manufacturer and have a particular dilemma that I encounter every single day. When I am assigned with carrying out a task on the floor, whether this be a welding procedure qualification, creation of work instruction, machine maintenance duties, etc. - I am constantly challenged and told I do not know what I am talking about by production team members or just simply have to deal with bad attitudes. Is this common for any other manufacturing engineers' positions? I know what I am talking about for the most part as I have the experience and an engineering degree from a prestigious program. Never do I come off as arrogant or cocky, simply put, I am just trying to carry out the engineering activities, but bad attitudes\/disrespect is always in my way. I am seeking advice for how others combat this and how exactly I can make my career life more enjoyable and successful.  Any advice would be appreciated as this is the second company since graduation, so I am curious as to if this is just an organization culture thing.","c_root_id_A":"hwp8j4t","c_root_id_B":"hwp4pt5","created_at_utc_A":1644703955,"created_at_utc_B":1644702374,"score_A":22,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"It took me awhile to figure this out, but every welder thinks they're the best welder ever and will give anyone shit. Many also believe that they can out engineer anyone that designs something to be welded. It just seems to be a common personality type in the field.  My secret to work around this is (even if you believe or are 100% confident on what needs to be done) ask for their opinion first. Then put forth your idea, not as an order, just \"I was thinking we could do X because Y\". Discuss how to get to the final product. Many times I've found a compromise that gets us where we need to be in a design, the won't sacrifice quality or too much labor. A lot of welders and assemblers I've run into are disgruntled because they have done jobs for a dozen years and have ideas on how to improve a product, but no one above them gives a crap what they think. They can have good ideas too.  Going through this might take more time, you might have to swallow your pride here and there, but you'll find welders and assemblers preferring to work with you and asking for help to mitigate errors.","human_ref_B":"Toxic work environments are a good sign of a time to move on.  My caveat is that you, as an engineer, need to distinguish between criticism and disrespect. Many novice engineers take critical feedback as an attack, especially female engineers. A good boss  would make this clear and mentor the difference, a mediocre boss might not.   Remember, the best time to look for work is while you're employed! Lots of good jobs out there. Good luck!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1581.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"sr1zn9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Advice For Manufacturing Engineer I am currently a manufacturing engineer (welding\/assembly) for an aerospace parts manufacturer and have a particular dilemma that I encounter every single day. When I am assigned with carrying out a task on the floor, whether this be a welding procedure qualification, creation of work instruction, machine maintenance duties, etc. - I am constantly challenged and told I do not know what I am talking about by production team members or just simply have to deal with bad attitudes. Is this common for any other manufacturing engineers' positions? I know what I am talking about for the most part as I have the experience and an engineering degree from a prestigious program. Never do I come off as arrogant or cocky, simply put, I am just trying to carry out the engineering activities, but bad attitudes\/disrespect is always in my way. I am seeking advice for how others combat this and how exactly I can make my career life more enjoyable and successful.  Any advice would be appreciated as this is the second company since graduation, so I am curious as to if this is just an organization culture thing.","c_root_id_A":"hwp4pt5","c_root_id_B":"hwpl2tw","created_at_utc_A":1644702374,"created_at_utc_B":1644709263,"score_A":11,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"Toxic work environments are a good sign of a time to move on.  My caveat is that you, as an engineer, need to distinguish between criticism and disrespect. Many novice engineers take critical feedback as an attack, especially female engineers. A good boss  would make this clear and mentor the difference, a mediocre boss might not.   Remember, the best time to look for work is while you're employed! Lots of good jobs out there. Good luck!","human_ref_B":"> I have the experience and an engineering degree from a prestigious program      The fact you felt the need to mention this tells me it might not be just their bad attitudes. Yeah you'll meet some gruff characters in manufacturing but especially so if you come at them with an air of superiority because they frankly couldn't care about your degree. Production people respond to competence and what you can tangibly improve in their workspace, not your qualifications. Focus on why they personally should care or what they have to gain from what youre doing and I promise youll have an easier time.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6889.0,"score_ratio":1.1818181818}
{"post_id":"sr1zn9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Advice For Manufacturing Engineer I am currently a manufacturing engineer (welding\/assembly) for an aerospace parts manufacturer and have a particular dilemma that I encounter every single day. When I am assigned with carrying out a task on the floor, whether this be a welding procedure qualification, creation of work instruction, machine maintenance duties, etc. - I am constantly challenged and told I do not know what I am talking about by production team members or just simply have to deal with bad attitudes. Is this common for any other manufacturing engineers' positions? I know what I am talking about for the most part as I have the experience and an engineering degree from a prestigious program. Never do I come off as arrogant or cocky, simply put, I am just trying to carry out the engineering activities, but bad attitudes\/disrespect is always in my way. I am seeking advice for how others combat this and how exactly I can make my career life more enjoyable and successful.  Any advice would be appreciated as this is the second company since graduation, so I am curious as to if this is just an organization culture thing.","c_root_id_A":"hwpefwa","c_root_id_B":"hwpl2tw","created_at_utc_A":1644706414,"created_at_utc_B":1644709263,"score_A":4,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"Uh \u201cturn the other cheek\u201d.   Unless management has your back, then tell them to go fuck a duck","human_ref_B":"> I have the experience and an engineering degree from a prestigious program      The fact you felt the need to mention this tells me it might not be just their bad attitudes. Yeah you'll meet some gruff characters in manufacturing but especially so if you come at them with an air of superiority because they frankly couldn't care about your degree. Production people respond to competence and what you can tangibly improve in their workspace, not your qualifications. Focus on why they personally should care or what they have to gain from what youre doing and I promise youll have an easier time.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2849.0,"score_ratio":3.25}
{"post_id":"f2gxp4","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"What do you want your architects to do differently? I'm an architect who sneaks in here because the architecture subreddits are dreadfully boring.     I generally have a pretty good relationship with our consulting  engineers (multifamily residential construction), but after I hang up the phone I sometimes feel like they want to throw a stick at my neck.    What small things can I do better? What tiny thing would cut an hour off your day?    Yes,  yes, I know the drawings I sent you look like ass but Revit gonna Revit, okay? Your beef is with Autodesk.","c_root_id_A":"fhcijcv","c_root_id_B":"fhclpw5","created_at_utc_A":1581463642,"created_at_utc_B":1581465560,"score_A":27,"score_B":35,"human_ref_A":"I'd love to be able to find an architect who didn't produce drawingss that look like ass","human_ref_B":"For buildings: work earlier with the engineers to develop their early thoughts such as: utility room sizes, ceiling to underside of deck dimensions, develop layout alternatives for options (ie heating, cooling methods, elevator location(s), access for equipment, etc. And develop options for the client for whatever is of significant matters.   For process: same as above but also: process flow efficiencies (ie  room layouts and sizes), raw materials in\/out, etc.  And for the client:: cost options so they can be engaged early on and buy into the budget sooner rather than later. If one does value engineering from the start and continuously thru out the project, there will not be a need to drastic value engineering later when it can be very disruptive and sometimes ineffective. No doubt though it may still happen (ve) later even if done as I wrote.  Good luck!!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1918.0,"score_ratio":1.2962962963}
{"post_id":"f2gxp4","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"What do you want your architects to do differently? I'm an architect who sneaks in here because the architecture subreddits are dreadfully boring.     I generally have a pretty good relationship with our consulting  engineers (multifamily residential construction), but after I hang up the phone I sometimes feel like they want to throw a stick at my neck.    What small things can I do better? What tiny thing would cut an hour off your day?    Yes,  yes, I know the drawings I sent you look like ass but Revit gonna Revit, okay? Your beef is with Autodesk.","c_root_id_A":"fhdcrhx","c_root_id_B":"fhdhra7","created_at_utc_A":1581482616,"created_at_utc_B":1581486730,"score_A":5,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Actually *LISTENING* to what the customer says would be nice.  [Personal bitch... Dealing with an architect as the customer.  Gave him a list of requirements for the (office & light industrial) facility.  He disappeared and three weeks later gave us three different concepts.  They may have been \"pretty\" (his words), but they met almost none of our requirements.  Thank gawd he's not working our project any longer.]","human_ref_B":"So I\u2019ll tailor this a bit specifically for multi family for you:   - Get the residential fixture package ready sooner rather than later. It\u2019s fairly important for electrical loads as well as plumbing sizing, plus it can make a lot of design choices easier. Do we need to account for range hood exhaust duct, or can it be recirculated? What types of lighting fixtures are you going to want? Things like that.   - Be aware of the things that will affect the visual of the building and the space we need to accommodate them. For instance, if your building doesn\u2019t have operable windows, you\u2019re going to need to introduce outside air somehow. Does that mean a large MAU tempering air and central shafts, or will the apartment units directly bring in OA? Those have vastly different footprints and ducting requirements (plus it can actually affect the size of the mechanical equipment). Regardless of all that, the corridors need OA brought in regardless, so get okay with with louvers.   - The more typical units you have, the more expensive the project. Along the same lines, offsetting restrooms and kitchens every floor makes plumbing a nightmare.   - For the love of God get the Civils, Structurals and MEPs in the same room for a kickoff meeting!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4114.0,"score_ratio":1.8}
{"post_id":"oo9r2l","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":1.0,"history":"Finding a Software Engineering job with an Electrical Engineering Degree as a New Grad I've recently graduated from my university with a BS in Electrical Engineering.   Through my time in university I've been programming on and off as a hobby and have found it enjoyable and fulfilling. Now that I've graduated, I feel that I want to take my hobby to the next level instead of finding a job in electrical engineering.   I've been going through data structures and algorithms, creating projects, and going deeper into the technologies I know in order to make myself more desirable to companies, but I'm not getting any replies from companies when I apply.   &#x200B;  Q. Is it possible for me to find a job in software engineering with a degree in electrical engineering as a new grad?   Q. How disadvantaged am I compared to a new grad with a CS degree?  Q. Should I just try to find a job in electrical engineering and forget this whole thing?  &#x200B;  If any of you guys have any insight on this, please let me know.  Thank you all for reading.","c_root_id_A":"h5xbzjl","c_root_id_B":"h5x2upx","created_at_utc_A":1626817135,"created_at_utc_B":1626813172,"score_A":11,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"I graduated with a BSME and my first job I was hired as a software engineer. My resume was very software\/programming focused. After I was hired, I took a look at the job req post and noticed that my resume pretty much exactly lined up with what they were looking for in a candidate.   So as long as you can demonstrate that you have the knowledge or experience, you should be okay. You might get looked over in favor of CS majors, but nothing you can really do about that, short of getting another degree or a certificate. Just keep applying.","human_ref_B":">Q. Is it possible for me to find a job in software engineering with a degree in electrical engineering as a new grad?  Yes, it is going to be a lot easier in embedded or something math intensive (DSP, controls, etc).  >Q. How disadvantaged am I compared to a new grad with a CS degree?  Technically, probably not much at all.  Perception, in the right area EE can be an advantage (see above).  In more traditional web\/cloud\/app development you will probably have to fight a bias towards CS to land the job.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3963.0,"score_ratio":1.8333333333}
{"post_id":"oo9r2l","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":1.0,"history":"Finding a Software Engineering job with an Electrical Engineering Degree as a New Grad I've recently graduated from my university with a BS in Electrical Engineering.   Through my time in university I've been programming on and off as a hobby and have found it enjoyable and fulfilling. Now that I've graduated, I feel that I want to take my hobby to the next level instead of finding a job in electrical engineering.   I've been going through data structures and algorithms, creating projects, and going deeper into the technologies I know in order to make myself more desirable to companies, but I'm not getting any replies from companies when I apply.   &#x200B;  Q. Is it possible for me to find a job in software engineering with a degree in electrical engineering as a new grad?   Q. How disadvantaged am I compared to a new grad with a CS degree?  Q. Should I just try to find a job in electrical engineering and forget this whole thing?  &#x200B;  If any of you guys have any insight on this, please let me know.  Thank you all for reading.","c_root_id_A":"h5x2i0n","c_root_id_B":"h5xbzjl","created_at_utc_A":1626813022,"created_at_utc_B":1626817135,"score_A":2,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"I am in a similar boat actually. Hard not to think about these deeply six figure salaries when a LOT of engineers I know are running upper 5 figure marks. Inflation is killing these same people. I am (4?5?) years into a career and thinkin of doing the same  I think you're going to have a strong background if you go do one of these coding bootcamps in the bay area or seattle\/NYC, where software salaries are actually high. Extra points if you're \"diverse\" enough. Take advantage of that mentality if you qualify.  My advice: find those metro areas with high salaries and find an entry level position in embedded or an area within programming you are strong in.  Can you give a rundown on the projects you've done? A proper presentation is going to be everything here","human_ref_B":"I graduated with a BSME and my first job I was hired as a software engineer. My resume was very software\/programming focused. After I was hired, I took a look at the job req post and noticed that my resume pretty much exactly lined up with what they were looking for in a candidate.   So as long as you can demonstrate that you have the knowledge or experience, you should be okay. You might get looked over in favor of CS majors, but nothing you can really do about that, short of getting another degree or a certificate. Just keep applying.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4113.0,"score_ratio":5.5}
{"post_id":"oo9r2l","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":1.0,"history":"Finding a Software Engineering job with an Electrical Engineering Degree as a New Grad I've recently graduated from my university with a BS in Electrical Engineering.   Through my time in university I've been programming on and off as a hobby and have found it enjoyable and fulfilling. Now that I've graduated, I feel that I want to take my hobby to the next level instead of finding a job in electrical engineering.   I've been going through data structures and algorithms, creating projects, and going deeper into the technologies I know in order to make myself more desirable to companies, but I'm not getting any replies from companies when I apply.   &#x200B;  Q. Is it possible for me to find a job in software engineering with a degree in electrical engineering as a new grad?   Q. How disadvantaged am I compared to a new grad with a CS degree?  Q. Should I just try to find a job in electrical engineering and forget this whole thing?  &#x200B;  If any of you guys have any insight on this, please let me know.  Thank you all for reading.","c_root_id_A":"h5xbzjl","c_root_id_B":"h5x5511","created_at_utc_A":1626817135,"created_at_utc_B":1626814145,"score_A":11,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I graduated with a BSME and my first job I was hired as a software engineer. My resume was very software\/programming focused. After I was hired, I took a look at the job req post and noticed that my resume pretty much exactly lined up with what they were looking for in a candidate.   So as long as you can demonstrate that you have the knowledge or experience, you should be okay. You might get looked over in favor of CS majors, but nothing you can really do about that, short of getting another degree or a certificate. Just keep applying.","human_ref_B":"On your phone and not retyping your questions.   1. Yes, I know many EE that work as developers.   2. Very, they have the degree, you don\u2019t. But, if you gain experience then you\u2019re the same. And no, personal projects are not experience.   3. Try to get an EE job in the controls area, and then move closer to software development.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2990.0,"score_ratio":5.5}
{"post_id":"oo9r2l","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":1.0,"history":"Finding a Software Engineering job with an Electrical Engineering Degree as a New Grad I've recently graduated from my university with a BS in Electrical Engineering.   Through my time in university I've been programming on and off as a hobby and have found it enjoyable and fulfilling. Now that I've graduated, I feel that I want to take my hobby to the next level instead of finding a job in electrical engineering.   I've been going through data structures and algorithms, creating projects, and going deeper into the technologies I know in order to make myself more desirable to companies, but I'm not getting any replies from companies when I apply.   &#x200B;  Q. Is it possible for me to find a job in software engineering with a degree in electrical engineering as a new grad?   Q. How disadvantaged am I compared to a new grad with a CS degree?  Q. Should I just try to find a job in electrical engineering and forget this whole thing?  &#x200B;  If any of you guys have any insight on this, please let me know.  Thank you all for reading.","c_root_id_A":"h5x2upx","c_root_id_B":"h5xd4t4","created_at_utc_A":1626813172,"created_at_utc_B":1626817651,"score_A":6,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":">Q. Is it possible for me to find a job in software engineering with a degree in electrical engineering as a new grad?  Yes, it is going to be a lot easier in embedded or something math intensive (DSP, controls, etc).  >Q. How disadvantaged am I compared to a new grad with a CS degree?  Technically, probably not much at all.  Perception, in the right area EE can be an advantage (see above).  In more traditional web\/cloud\/app development you will probably have to fight a bias towards CS to land the job.","human_ref_B":"Most EE take up software jobs more than EE jobs. Like 30 something percent of software engineers are EE educated.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4479.0,"score_ratio":1.1666666667}
{"post_id":"oo9r2l","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":1.0,"history":"Finding a Software Engineering job with an Electrical Engineering Degree as a New Grad I've recently graduated from my university with a BS in Electrical Engineering.   Through my time in university I've been programming on and off as a hobby and have found it enjoyable and fulfilling. Now that I've graduated, I feel that I want to take my hobby to the next level instead of finding a job in electrical engineering.   I've been going through data structures and algorithms, creating projects, and going deeper into the technologies I know in order to make myself more desirable to companies, but I'm not getting any replies from companies when I apply.   &#x200B;  Q. Is it possible for me to find a job in software engineering with a degree in electrical engineering as a new grad?   Q. How disadvantaged am I compared to a new grad with a CS degree?  Q. Should I just try to find a job in electrical engineering and forget this whole thing?  &#x200B;  If any of you guys have any insight on this, please let me know.  Thank you all for reading.","c_root_id_A":"h5x2i0n","c_root_id_B":"h5xd4t4","created_at_utc_A":1626813022,"created_at_utc_B":1626817651,"score_A":2,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"I am in a similar boat actually. Hard not to think about these deeply six figure salaries when a LOT of engineers I know are running upper 5 figure marks. Inflation is killing these same people. I am (4?5?) years into a career and thinkin of doing the same  I think you're going to have a strong background if you go do one of these coding bootcamps in the bay area or seattle\/NYC, where software salaries are actually high. Extra points if you're \"diverse\" enough. Take advantage of that mentality if you qualify.  My advice: find those metro areas with high salaries and find an entry level position in embedded or an area within programming you are strong in.  Can you give a rundown on the projects you've done? A proper presentation is going to be everything here","human_ref_B":"Most EE take up software jobs more than EE jobs. Like 30 something percent of software engineers are EE educated.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4629.0,"score_ratio":3.5}
{"post_id":"oo9r2l","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":1.0,"history":"Finding a Software Engineering job with an Electrical Engineering Degree as a New Grad I've recently graduated from my university with a BS in Electrical Engineering.   Through my time in university I've been programming on and off as a hobby and have found it enjoyable and fulfilling. Now that I've graduated, I feel that I want to take my hobby to the next level instead of finding a job in electrical engineering.   I've been going through data structures and algorithms, creating projects, and going deeper into the technologies I know in order to make myself more desirable to companies, but I'm not getting any replies from companies when I apply.   &#x200B;  Q. Is it possible for me to find a job in software engineering with a degree in electrical engineering as a new grad?   Q. How disadvantaged am I compared to a new grad with a CS degree?  Q. Should I just try to find a job in electrical engineering and forget this whole thing?  &#x200B;  If any of you guys have any insight on this, please let me know.  Thank you all for reading.","c_root_id_A":"h5xd4t4","c_root_id_B":"h5x5511","created_at_utc_A":1626817651,"created_at_utc_B":1626814145,"score_A":7,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Most EE take up software jobs more than EE jobs. Like 30 something percent of software engineers are EE educated.","human_ref_B":"On your phone and not retyping your questions.   1. Yes, I know many EE that work as developers.   2. Very, they have the degree, you don\u2019t. But, if you gain experience then you\u2019re the same. And no, personal projects are not experience.   3. Try to get an EE job in the controls area, and then move closer to software development.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3506.0,"score_ratio":3.5}
{"post_id":"oo9r2l","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":1.0,"history":"Finding a Software Engineering job with an Electrical Engineering Degree as a New Grad I've recently graduated from my university with a BS in Electrical Engineering.   Through my time in university I've been programming on and off as a hobby and have found it enjoyable and fulfilling. Now that I've graduated, I feel that I want to take my hobby to the next level instead of finding a job in electrical engineering.   I've been going through data structures and algorithms, creating projects, and going deeper into the technologies I know in order to make myself more desirable to companies, but I'm not getting any replies from companies when I apply.   &#x200B;  Q. Is it possible for me to find a job in software engineering with a degree in electrical engineering as a new grad?   Q. How disadvantaged am I compared to a new grad with a CS degree?  Q. Should I just try to find a job in electrical engineering and forget this whole thing?  &#x200B;  If any of you guys have any insight on this, please let me know.  Thank you all for reading.","c_root_id_A":"h5x2i0n","c_root_id_B":"h5x2upx","created_at_utc_A":1626813022,"created_at_utc_B":1626813172,"score_A":2,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"I am in a similar boat actually. Hard not to think about these deeply six figure salaries when a LOT of engineers I know are running upper 5 figure marks. Inflation is killing these same people. I am (4?5?) years into a career and thinkin of doing the same  I think you're going to have a strong background if you go do one of these coding bootcamps in the bay area or seattle\/NYC, where software salaries are actually high. Extra points if you're \"diverse\" enough. Take advantage of that mentality if you qualify.  My advice: find those metro areas with high salaries and find an entry level position in embedded or an area within programming you are strong in.  Can you give a rundown on the projects you've done? A proper presentation is going to be everything here","human_ref_B":">Q. Is it possible for me to find a job in software engineering with a degree in electrical engineering as a new grad?  Yes, it is going to be a lot easier in embedded or something math intensive (DSP, controls, etc).  >Q. How disadvantaged am I compared to a new grad with a CS degree?  Technically, probably not much at all.  Perception, in the right area EE can be an advantage (see above).  In more traditional web\/cloud\/app development you will probably have to fight a bias towards CS to land the job.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":150.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"oo9r2l","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":1.0,"history":"Finding a Software Engineering job with an Electrical Engineering Degree as a New Grad I've recently graduated from my university with a BS in Electrical Engineering.   Through my time in university I've been programming on and off as a hobby and have found it enjoyable and fulfilling. Now that I've graduated, I feel that I want to take my hobby to the next level instead of finding a job in electrical engineering.   I've been going through data structures and algorithms, creating projects, and going deeper into the technologies I know in order to make myself more desirable to companies, but I'm not getting any replies from companies when I apply.   &#x200B;  Q. Is it possible for me to find a job in software engineering with a degree in electrical engineering as a new grad?   Q. How disadvantaged am I compared to a new grad with a CS degree?  Q. Should I just try to find a job in electrical engineering and forget this whole thing?  &#x200B;  If any of you guys have any insight on this, please let me know.  Thank you all for reading.","c_root_id_A":"h5xh4qr","c_root_id_B":"h5xgh8n","created_at_utc_A":1626819475,"created_at_utc_B":1626819176,"score_A":5,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Yes! The company I work for hires EEs to model electrical systems in power plant simulators. There's likely tons of jobs that do similar. You can even look into instrumentation and control system engineering positions at power plants. And these types of jobs don't only exist within power plants.   Automotive manufactures rely more and more on software to handle performance.  ETA: the company I work for prefers hiring engineers over compsci majors. They believe it's easier to teach an engineer compsci than a compsci major engineering. Idk how true it is, but you definitely wouldn't be disadvantaged.","human_ref_B":"I did it, but I ended up not liking the job. Be sure that you are interested in software, not just programming. Programming is fun purely as an intellectual challenge, if you enjoy it. Building software is not fun, unless you are actually interested in software and the specific application you are working on.  The company that hired me used mostly old (arguably obsolete) procedural languages. It was not an embedded job at all, but my EE experience with embedded C and personal scripting projects served me well. My lack of object oriented programming experience and exposure to popular new libraries would have been a much bigger obstacle at other software companies, I think.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":299.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"oo9r2l","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":1.0,"history":"Finding a Software Engineering job with an Electrical Engineering Degree as a New Grad I've recently graduated from my university with a BS in Electrical Engineering.   Through my time in university I've been programming on and off as a hobby and have found it enjoyable and fulfilling. Now that I've graduated, I feel that I want to take my hobby to the next level instead of finding a job in electrical engineering.   I've been going through data structures and algorithms, creating projects, and going deeper into the technologies I know in order to make myself more desirable to companies, but I'm not getting any replies from companies when I apply.   &#x200B;  Q. Is it possible for me to find a job in software engineering with a degree in electrical engineering as a new grad?   Q. How disadvantaged am I compared to a new grad with a CS degree?  Q. Should I just try to find a job in electrical engineering and forget this whole thing?  &#x200B;  If any of you guys have any insight on this, please let me know.  Thank you all for reading.","c_root_id_A":"h5x2i0n","c_root_id_B":"h5xh4qr","created_at_utc_A":1626813022,"created_at_utc_B":1626819475,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"I am in a similar boat actually. Hard not to think about these deeply six figure salaries when a LOT of engineers I know are running upper 5 figure marks. Inflation is killing these same people. I am (4?5?) years into a career and thinkin of doing the same  I think you're going to have a strong background if you go do one of these coding bootcamps in the bay area or seattle\/NYC, where software salaries are actually high. Extra points if you're \"diverse\" enough. Take advantage of that mentality if you qualify.  My advice: find those metro areas with high salaries and find an entry level position in embedded or an area within programming you are strong in.  Can you give a rundown on the projects you've done? A proper presentation is going to be everything here","human_ref_B":"Yes! The company I work for hires EEs to model electrical systems in power plant simulators. There's likely tons of jobs that do similar. You can even look into instrumentation and control system engineering positions at power plants. And these types of jobs don't only exist within power plants.   Automotive manufactures rely more and more on software to handle performance.  ETA: the company I work for prefers hiring engineers over compsci majors. They believe it's easier to teach an engineer compsci than a compsci major engineering. Idk how true it is, but you definitely wouldn't be disadvantaged.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6453.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"oo9r2l","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":1.0,"history":"Finding a Software Engineering job with an Electrical Engineering Degree as a New Grad I've recently graduated from my university with a BS in Electrical Engineering.   Through my time in university I've been programming on and off as a hobby and have found it enjoyable and fulfilling. Now that I've graduated, I feel that I want to take my hobby to the next level instead of finding a job in electrical engineering.   I've been going through data structures and algorithms, creating projects, and going deeper into the technologies I know in order to make myself more desirable to companies, but I'm not getting any replies from companies when I apply.   &#x200B;  Q. Is it possible for me to find a job in software engineering with a degree in electrical engineering as a new grad?   Q. How disadvantaged am I compared to a new grad with a CS degree?  Q. Should I just try to find a job in electrical engineering and forget this whole thing?  &#x200B;  If any of you guys have any insight on this, please let me know.  Thank you all for reading.","c_root_id_A":"h5xh4qr","c_root_id_B":"h5x5511","created_at_utc_A":1626819475,"created_at_utc_B":1626814145,"score_A":5,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Yes! The company I work for hires EEs to model electrical systems in power plant simulators. There's likely tons of jobs that do similar. You can even look into instrumentation and control system engineering positions at power plants. And these types of jobs don't only exist within power plants.   Automotive manufactures rely more and more on software to handle performance.  ETA: the company I work for prefers hiring engineers over compsci majors. They believe it's easier to teach an engineer compsci than a compsci major engineering. Idk how true it is, but you definitely wouldn't be disadvantaged.","human_ref_B":"On your phone and not retyping your questions.   1. Yes, I know many EE that work as developers.   2. Very, they have the degree, you don\u2019t. But, if you gain experience then you\u2019re the same. And no, personal projects are not experience.   3. Try to get an EE job in the controls area, and then move closer to software development.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5330.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"oo9r2l","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":1.0,"history":"Finding a Software Engineering job with an Electrical Engineering Degree as a New Grad I've recently graduated from my university with a BS in Electrical Engineering.   Through my time in university I've been programming on and off as a hobby and have found it enjoyable and fulfilling. Now that I've graduated, I feel that I want to take my hobby to the next level instead of finding a job in electrical engineering.   I've been going through data structures and algorithms, creating projects, and going deeper into the technologies I know in order to make myself more desirable to companies, but I'm not getting any replies from companies when I apply.   &#x200B;  Q. Is it possible for me to find a job in software engineering with a degree in electrical engineering as a new grad?   Q. How disadvantaged am I compared to a new grad with a CS degree?  Q. Should I just try to find a job in electrical engineering and forget this whole thing?  &#x200B;  If any of you guys have any insight on this, please let me know.  Thank you all for reading.","c_root_id_A":"h5xh2zn","c_root_id_B":"h5xh4qr","created_at_utc_A":1626819453,"created_at_utc_B":1626819475,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Not an answer but I just wanted to thank you for making this thread, it's full of answers to the exact questions I've been looking for","human_ref_B":"Yes! The company I work for hires EEs to model electrical systems in power plant simulators. There's likely tons of jobs that do similar. You can even look into instrumentation and control system engineering positions at power plants. And these types of jobs don't only exist within power plants.   Automotive manufactures rely more and more on software to handle performance.  ETA: the company I work for prefers hiring engineers over compsci majors. They believe it's easier to teach an engineer compsci than a compsci major engineering. Idk how true it is, but you definitely wouldn't be disadvantaged.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":22.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"oo9r2l","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":1.0,"history":"Finding a Software Engineering job with an Electrical Engineering Degree as a New Grad I've recently graduated from my university with a BS in Electrical Engineering.   Through my time in university I've been programming on and off as a hobby and have found it enjoyable and fulfilling. Now that I've graduated, I feel that I want to take my hobby to the next level instead of finding a job in electrical engineering.   I've been going through data structures and algorithms, creating projects, and going deeper into the technologies I know in order to make myself more desirable to companies, but I'm not getting any replies from companies when I apply.   &#x200B;  Q. Is it possible for me to find a job in software engineering with a degree in electrical engineering as a new grad?   Q. How disadvantaged am I compared to a new grad with a CS degree?  Q. Should I just try to find a job in electrical engineering and forget this whole thing?  &#x200B;  If any of you guys have any insight on this, please let me know.  Thank you all for reading.","c_root_id_A":"h5xgh8n","c_root_id_B":"h5x2i0n","created_at_utc_A":1626819176,"created_at_utc_B":1626813022,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I did it, but I ended up not liking the job. Be sure that you are interested in software, not just programming. Programming is fun purely as an intellectual challenge, if you enjoy it. Building software is not fun, unless you are actually interested in software and the specific application you are working on.  The company that hired me used mostly old (arguably obsolete) procedural languages. It was not an embedded job at all, but my EE experience with embedded C and personal scripting projects served me well. My lack of object oriented programming experience and exposure to popular new libraries would have been a much bigger obstacle at other software companies, I think.","human_ref_B":"I am in a similar boat actually. Hard not to think about these deeply six figure salaries when a LOT of engineers I know are running upper 5 figure marks. Inflation is killing these same people. I am (4?5?) years into a career and thinkin of doing the same  I think you're going to have a strong background if you go do one of these coding bootcamps in the bay area or seattle\/NYC, where software salaries are actually high. Extra points if you're \"diverse\" enough. Take advantage of that mentality if you qualify.  My advice: find those metro areas with high salaries and find an entry level position in embedded or an area within programming you are strong in.  Can you give a rundown on the projects you've done? A proper presentation is going to be everything here","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6154.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"oo9r2l","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":1.0,"history":"Finding a Software Engineering job with an Electrical Engineering Degree as a New Grad I've recently graduated from my university with a BS in Electrical Engineering.   Through my time in university I've been programming on and off as a hobby and have found it enjoyable and fulfilling. Now that I've graduated, I feel that I want to take my hobby to the next level instead of finding a job in electrical engineering.   I've been going through data structures and algorithms, creating projects, and going deeper into the technologies I know in order to make myself more desirable to companies, but I'm not getting any replies from companies when I apply.   &#x200B;  Q. Is it possible for me to find a job in software engineering with a degree in electrical engineering as a new grad?   Q. How disadvantaged am I compared to a new grad with a CS degree?  Q. Should I just try to find a job in electrical engineering and forget this whole thing?  &#x200B;  If any of you guys have any insight on this, please let me know.  Thank you all for reading.","c_root_id_A":"h5x5511","c_root_id_B":"h5xgh8n","created_at_utc_A":1626814145,"created_at_utc_B":1626819176,"score_A":2,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"On your phone and not retyping your questions.   1. Yes, I know many EE that work as developers.   2. Very, they have the degree, you don\u2019t. But, if you gain experience then you\u2019re the same. And no, personal projects are not experience.   3. Try to get an EE job in the controls area, and then move closer to software development.","human_ref_B":"I did it, but I ended up not liking the job. Be sure that you are interested in software, not just programming. Programming is fun purely as an intellectual challenge, if you enjoy it. Building software is not fun, unless you are actually interested in software and the specific application you are working on.  The company that hired me used mostly old (arguably obsolete) procedural languages. It was not an embedded job at all, but my EE experience with embedded C and personal scripting projects served me well. My lack of object oriented programming experience and exposure to popular new libraries would have been a much bigger obstacle at other software companies, I think.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5031.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"oo9r2l","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":1.0,"history":"Finding a Software Engineering job with an Electrical Engineering Degree as a New Grad I've recently graduated from my university with a BS in Electrical Engineering.   Through my time in university I've been programming on and off as a hobby and have found it enjoyable and fulfilling. Now that I've graduated, I feel that I want to take my hobby to the next level instead of finding a job in electrical engineering.   I've been going through data structures and algorithms, creating projects, and going deeper into the technologies I know in order to make myself more desirable to companies, but I'm not getting any replies from companies when I apply.   &#x200B;  Q. Is it possible for me to find a job in software engineering with a degree in electrical engineering as a new grad?   Q. How disadvantaged am I compared to a new grad with a CS degree?  Q. Should I just try to find a job in electrical engineering and forget this whole thing?  &#x200B;  If any of you guys have any insight on this, please let me know.  Thank you all for reading.","c_root_id_A":"h5xu2ne","c_root_id_B":"h5x2i0n","created_at_utc_A":1626825639,"created_at_utc_B":1626813022,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":">Q. Is it possible for me to find a job in software engineering with a degree in electrical engineering as a new grad?  Yes. Check out \/r\/learnprogramming and you'll find hundreds of people who transitioned from all types of degrees to programming jobs as well as tons of great advice.  >Q. How disadvantaged am I compared to a new grad with a CS degree?  A few companies might filter you out just for not having a SE, CS, or CpE degree. Nonetheless, EE is as close as you can get to those degrees and most companies will still consider you. Just make sure you have enough relevant projects to make your resume stand out.  >Q. Should I just try to find a job in electrical engineering   Yes. Finding a job in an unrelated field can take time. Also, many EE jobs can have lots of programming involved. Especially embedded.  >and forget this whole thing?  No. Keep working towards your career goal. Just don't expect it to be immediate.","human_ref_B":"I am in a similar boat actually. Hard not to think about these deeply six figure salaries when a LOT of engineers I know are running upper 5 figure marks. Inflation is killing these same people. I am (4?5?) years into a career and thinkin of doing the same  I think you're going to have a strong background if you go do one of these coding bootcamps in the bay area or seattle\/NYC, where software salaries are actually high. Extra points if you're \"diverse\" enough. Take advantage of that mentality if you qualify.  My advice: find those metro areas with high salaries and find an entry level position in embedded or an area within programming you are strong in.  Can you give a rundown on the projects you've done? A proper presentation is going to be everything here","labels":1,"seconds_difference":12617.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"oo9r2l","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":1.0,"history":"Finding a Software Engineering job with an Electrical Engineering Degree as a New Grad I've recently graduated from my university with a BS in Electrical Engineering.   Through my time in university I've been programming on and off as a hobby and have found it enjoyable and fulfilling. Now that I've graduated, I feel that I want to take my hobby to the next level instead of finding a job in electrical engineering.   I've been going through data structures and algorithms, creating projects, and going deeper into the technologies I know in order to make myself more desirable to companies, but I'm not getting any replies from companies when I apply.   &#x200B;  Q. Is it possible for me to find a job in software engineering with a degree in electrical engineering as a new grad?   Q. How disadvantaged am I compared to a new grad with a CS degree?  Q. Should I just try to find a job in electrical engineering and forget this whole thing?  &#x200B;  If any of you guys have any insight on this, please let me know.  Thank you all for reading.","c_root_id_A":"h5x5511","c_root_id_B":"h5xu2ne","created_at_utc_A":1626814145,"created_at_utc_B":1626825639,"score_A":2,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"On your phone and not retyping your questions.   1. Yes, I know many EE that work as developers.   2. Very, they have the degree, you don\u2019t. But, if you gain experience then you\u2019re the same. And no, personal projects are not experience.   3. Try to get an EE job in the controls area, and then move closer to software development.","human_ref_B":">Q. Is it possible for me to find a job in software engineering with a degree in electrical engineering as a new grad?  Yes. Check out \/r\/learnprogramming and you'll find hundreds of people who transitioned from all types of degrees to programming jobs as well as tons of great advice.  >Q. How disadvantaged am I compared to a new grad with a CS degree?  A few companies might filter you out just for not having a SE, CS, or CpE degree. Nonetheless, EE is as close as you can get to those degrees and most companies will still consider you. Just make sure you have enough relevant projects to make your resume stand out.  >Q. Should I just try to find a job in electrical engineering   Yes. Finding a job in an unrelated field can take time. Also, many EE jobs can have lots of programming involved. Especially embedded.  >and forget this whole thing?  No. Keep working towards your career goal. Just don't expect it to be immediate.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11494.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"oo9r2l","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":1.0,"history":"Finding a Software Engineering job with an Electrical Engineering Degree as a New Grad I've recently graduated from my university with a BS in Electrical Engineering.   Through my time in university I've been programming on and off as a hobby and have found it enjoyable and fulfilling. Now that I've graduated, I feel that I want to take my hobby to the next level instead of finding a job in electrical engineering.   I've been going through data structures and algorithms, creating projects, and going deeper into the technologies I know in order to make myself more desirable to companies, but I'm not getting any replies from companies when I apply.   &#x200B;  Q. Is it possible for me to find a job in software engineering with a degree in electrical engineering as a new grad?   Q. How disadvantaged am I compared to a new grad with a CS degree?  Q. Should I just try to find a job in electrical engineering and forget this whole thing?  &#x200B;  If any of you guys have any insight on this, please let me know.  Thank you all for reading.","c_root_id_A":"h5xu2ne","c_root_id_B":"h5xh2zn","created_at_utc_A":1626825639,"created_at_utc_B":1626819453,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":">Q. Is it possible for me to find a job in software engineering with a degree in electrical engineering as a new grad?  Yes. Check out \/r\/learnprogramming and you'll find hundreds of people who transitioned from all types of degrees to programming jobs as well as tons of great advice.  >Q. How disadvantaged am I compared to a new grad with a CS degree?  A few companies might filter you out just for not having a SE, CS, or CpE degree. Nonetheless, EE is as close as you can get to those degrees and most companies will still consider you. Just make sure you have enough relevant projects to make your resume stand out.  >Q. Should I just try to find a job in electrical engineering   Yes. Finding a job in an unrelated field can take time. Also, many EE jobs can have lots of programming involved. Especially embedded.  >and forget this whole thing?  No. Keep working towards your career goal. Just don't expect it to be immediate.","human_ref_B":"Not an answer but I just wanted to thank you for making this thread, it's full of answers to the exact questions I've been looking for","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6186.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"6x2lb2","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.72,"history":"Why are UK kitchens mostly built a step lower down than the rest of the house?","c_root_id_A":"dmda54u","c_root_id_B":"dmcq0uf","created_at_utc_A":1504170499,"created_at_utc_B":1504136657,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Student houses adapted from old townhouses often aren't the original layout - once there would be an outdoor toilet and coal shed at the back, so they got extended.  Earthworks probably meant they attempted to engineer the rainwater away from the foundations, so that may mean the rear ground is a little lower than the front, and anyway it is common for steps up to the front door as opposed to down.  If you are going to step either way, down makes sense for containment of water leaks.  Back in the days of old, when people and animals lived in the same small dwelling, the people would live on the higher side so the warmth would rise and the excrement not leak","human_ref_B":"My guess would be it relates to flooding \/ cleaning \/ waste disposal.  Is the floor relatively waterproof and does it have a drain near the middle?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":33842.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"602mxq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Engineers with just a BS in Biomedical Engineering, what is your current job?","c_root_id_A":"df37fxg","c_root_id_B":"df354hy","created_at_utc_A":1489836991,"created_at_utc_B":1489829030,"score_A":25,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"I'm shocked *any* of the BMEs are working in the industry.  All the ones I knew from back in school are in completely different fields.","human_ref_B":"Been working in the Med tech industry ever since, making class III medical devices (implantable) like stents, heart valves etc. most of my colleagues have only a BS in BME.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7961.0,"score_ratio":1.9230769231}
{"post_id":"602mxq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Engineers with just a BS in Biomedical Engineering, what is your current job?","c_root_id_A":"df35yp5","c_root_id_B":"df37fxg","created_at_utc_A":1489832016,"created_at_utc_B":1489836991,"score_A":7,"score_B":25,"human_ref_A":"European BE in BME here, class of 2016. 90% of my graduating class are working in medtech, for large multinationals. A couple made it into graduate programs within these companies. Im doing a funded research MEngSc, graduating this summer. I think two or three are doing taught masters. Entry wages for the guys in industry seems to be 30 to 40k euro, and our 3rd year internships were usually paid about 17-25k\/yr.  Hope this helps. Feel free to ask me any other questions you may have!","human_ref_B":"I'm shocked *any* of the BMEs are working in the industry.  All the ones I knew from back in school are in completely different fields.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4975.0,"score_ratio":3.5714285714}
{"post_id":"602mxq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Engineers with just a BS in Biomedical Engineering, what is your current job?","c_root_id_A":"df37fxg","c_root_id_B":"df32is6","created_at_utc_A":1489836991,"created_at_utc_B":1489820552,"score_A":25,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"I'm shocked *any* of the BMEs are working in the industry.  All the ones I knew from back in school are in completely different fields.","human_ref_B":"er. is this telling..? surely some of them must reddit.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":16439.0,"score_ratio":5.0}
{"post_id":"602mxq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Engineers with just a BS in Biomedical Engineering, what is your current job?","c_root_id_A":"df354hy","c_root_id_B":"df32is6","created_at_utc_A":1489829030,"created_at_utc_B":1489820552,"score_A":13,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Been working in the Med tech industry ever since, making class III medical devices (implantable) like stents, heart valves etc. most of my colleagues have only a BS in BME.","human_ref_B":"er. is this telling..? surely some of them must reddit.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8478.0,"score_ratio":2.6}
{"post_id":"602mxq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Engineers with just a BS in Biomedical Engineering, what is your current job?","c_root_id_A":"df3ibgq","c_root_id_B":"df35yp5","created_at_utc_A":1489856512,"created_at_utc_B":1489832016,"score_A":9,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"MS\/BS in BME, and I work as a process engineer in the biotech industry. Truth be told, a Chemical Engineering degree would have been much more useful than a BME degree, but I was at least able to get my foot in the door. I did really need to sell myself though; some colleagues who interviewed me later mentioned that they were initially skeptical of hiring me due to my BME degree.","human_ref_B":"European BE in BME here, class of 2016. 90% of my graduating class are working in medtech, for large multinationals. A couple made it into graduate programs within these companies. Im doing a funded research MEngSc, graduating this summer. I think two or three are doing taught masters. Entry wages for the guys in industry seems to be 30 to 40k euro, and our 3rd year internships were usually paid about 17-25k\/yr.  Hope this helps. Feel free to ask me any other questions you may have!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":24496.0,"score_ratio":1.2857142857}
{"post_id":"602mxq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Engineers with just a BS in Biomedical Engineering, what is your current job?","c_root_id_A":"df3ibgq","c_root_id_B":"df32is6","created_at_utc_A":1489856512,"created_at_utc_B":1489820552,"score_A":9,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"MS\/BS in BME, and I work as a process engineer in the biotech industry. Truth be told, a Chemical Engineering degree would have been much more useful than a BME degree, but I was at least able to get my foot in the door. I did really need to sell myself though; some colleagues who interviewed me later mentioned that they were initially skeptical of hiring me due to my BME degree.","human_ref_B":"er. is this telling..? surely some of them must reddit.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":35960.0,"score_ratio":1.8}
{"post_id":"602mxq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Engineers with just a BS in Biomedical Engineering, what is your current job?","c_root_id_A":"df3ibgq","c_root_id_B":"df38rja","created_at_utc_A":1489856512,"created_at_utc_B":1489840748,"score_A":9,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"MS\/BS in BME, and I work as a process engineer in the biotech industry. Truth be told, a Chemical Engineering degree would have been much more useful than a BME degree, but I was at least able to get my foot in the door. I did really need to sell myself though; some colleagues who interviewed me later mentioned that they were initially skeptical of hiring me due to my BME degree.","human_ref_B":"I'm a MechE, but I work with several BMEs in medical device research and development. We work with design partners on new autoinjectors. Right now they are testing different lengths and diameters of needles on swine to determine which needles perform the best with the least amount of skin irritation. Cold vs. room temp injections also cause different levels of pain, so they are working with our human factors org to create instructions for use to mitigate the risk. They also perform a lot of design verification testing (like total cycle time) and analyze the data. Report generation and documentation is a large chunk of their workload. Also, creating AFMEAs with support crime medical and human factors is an important part of their job. The regulatory agencies will audit those to see how the risks were addressed.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":15764.0,"score_ratio":1.8}
{"post_id":"602mxq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Engineers with just a BS in Biomedical Engineering, what is your current job?","c_root_id_A":"df38t62","c_root_id_B":"df3ibgq","created_at_utc_A":1489840868,"created_at_utc_B":1489856512,"score_A":4,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Totally different field.  Design engineer building custom process equipment. The interdisciplinary background I got as a BME comes in handy, since I have to do mechanical and electrical design for equipment that handles different chemicals often undergoing phase changes. If I could do it again I'd have majored in MechE. I'm my experience people pre-2008 got jobs with a BS\/BSE in the field. After 2008 that became much harder with just a bachelors. Love my job and hated the red tape of medical devices, but that it worked out well for me is probably the exception rather than the rule. You can always go into medical devices or pursue a BME graduate degree with a more focused undergrad - I would steer away from BME as a Bachelor's program.","human_ref_B":"MS\/BS in BME, and I work as a process engineer in the biotech industry. Truth be told, a Chemical Engineering degree would have been much more useful than a BME degree, but I was at least able to get my foot in the door. I did really need to sell myself though; some colleagues who interviewed me later mentioned that they were initially skeptical of hiring me due to my BME degree.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":15644.0,"score_ratio":2.25}
{"post_id":"602mxq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Engineers with just a BS in Biomedical Engineering, what is your current job?","c_root_id_A":"df38pjg","c_root_id_B":"df3ibgq","created_at_utc_A":1489840603,"created_at_utc_B":1489856512,"score_A":3,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Lowly Biomed technician - mainly tech work. But any engineering in Aus is kinda hard to find atm.","human_ref_B":"MS\/BS in BME, and I work as a process engineer in the biotech industry. Truth be told, a Chemical Engineering degree would have been much more useful than a BME degree, but I was at least able to get my foot in the door. I did really need to sell myself though; some colleagues who interviewed me later mentioned that they were initially skeptical of hiring me due to my BME degree.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":15909.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"602mxq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Engineers with just a BS in Biomedical Engineering, what is your current job?","c_root_id_A":"df3ibgq","c_root_id_B":"df39bed","created_at_utc_A":1489856512,"created_at_utc_B":1489842058,"score_A":9,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"MS\/BS in BME, and I work as a process engineer in the biotech industry. Truth be told, a Chemical Engineering degree would have been much more useful than a BME degree, but I was at least able to get my foot in the door. I did really need to sell myself though; some colleagues who interviewed me later mentioned that they were initially skeptical of hiring me due to my BME degree.","human_ref_B":"My girlfriend is working at a research company in their biomedical group doing research for the government.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":14454.0,"score_ratio":4.5}
{"post_id":"602mxq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Engineers with just a BS in Biomedical Engineering, what is your current job?","c_root_id_A":"df3feyu","c_root_id_B":"df3ibgq","created_at_utc_A":1489852468,"created_at_utc_B":1489856512,"score_A":2,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"I've designed hip implants and I now design ENT surgical instruments.","human_ref_B":"MS\/BS in BME, and I work as a process engineer in the biotech industry. Truth be told, a Chemical Engineering degree would have been much more useful than a BME degree, but I was at least able to get my foot in the door. I did really need to sell myself though; some colleagues who interviewed me later mentioned that they were initially skeptical of hiring me due to my BME degree.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4044.0,"score_ratio":4.5}
{"post_id":"602mxq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Engineers with just a BS in Biomedical Engineering, what is your current job?","c_root_id_A":"df3gwnl","c_root_id_B":"df3ibgq","created_at_utc_A":1489854606,"created_at_utc_B":1489856512,"score_A":2,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"I have a BS in BME, work in designing surgical tools. I think it came in handy since I work with mostly mech engs and it is good to have a bio perspective when designing surgical tools. Personally, I'm glad I didn't get a grad school degree because in my career path you can do just fine with BS (work in a smallish contract design engineering company).","human_ref_B":"MS\/BS in BME, and I work as a process engineer in the biotech industry. Truth be told, a Chemical Engineering degree would have been much more useful than a BME degree, but I was at least able to get my foot in the door. I did really need to sell myself though; some colleagues who interviewed me later mentioned that they were initially skeptical of hiring me due to my BME degree.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1906.0,"score_ratio":4.5}
{"post_id":"602mxq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Engineers with just a BS in Biomedical Engineering, what is your current job?","c_root_id_A":"df35yp5","c_root_id_B":"df32is6","created_at_utc_A":1489832016,"created_at_utc_B":1489820552,"score_A":7,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"European BE in BME here, class of 2016. 90% of my graduating class are working in medtech, for large multinationals. A couple made it into graduate programs within these companies. Im doing a funded research MEngSc, graduating this summer. I think two or three are doing taught masters. Entry wages for the guys in industry seems to be 30 to 40k euro, and our 3rd year internships were usually paid about 17-25k\/yr.  Hope this helps. Feel free to ask me any other questions you may have!","human_ref_B":"er. is this telling..? surely some of them must reddit.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":11464.0,"score_ratio":1.4}
{"post_id":"602mxq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Engineers with just a BS in Biomedical Engineering, what is your current job?","c_root_id_A":"df38rja","c_root_id_B":"df38pjg","created_at_utc_A":1489840748,"created_at_utc_B":1489840603,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I'm a MechE, but I work with several BMEs in medical device research and development. We work with design partners on new autoinjectors. Right now they are testing different lengths and diameters of needles on swine to determine which needles perform the best with the least amount of skin irritation. Cold vs. room temp injections also cause different levels of pain, so they are working with our human factors org to create instructions for use to mitigate the risk. They also perform a lot of design verification testing (like total cycle time) and analyze the data. Report generation and documentation is a large chunk of their workload. Also, creating AFMEAs with support crime medical and human factors is an important part of their job. The regulatory agencies will audit those to see how the risks were addressed.","human_ref_B":"Lowly Biomed technician - mainly tech work. But any engineering in Aus is kinda hard to find atm.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":145.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"602mxq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Engineers with just a BS in Biomedical Engineering, what is your current job?","c_root_id_A":"df38t62","c_root_id_B":"df38pjg","created_at_utc_A":1489840868,"created_at_utc_B":1489840603,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Totally different field.  Design engineer building custom process equipment. The interdisciplinary background I got as a BME comes in handy, since I have to do mechanical and electrical design for equipment that handles different chemicals often undergoing phase changes. If I could do it again I'd have majored in MechE. I'm my experience people pre-2008 got jobs with a BS\/BSE in the field. After 2008 that became much harder with just a bachelors. Love my job and hated the red tape of medical devices, but that it worked out well for me is probably the exception rather than the rule. You can always go into medical devices or pursue a BME graduate degree with a more focused undergrad - I would steer away from BME as a Bachelor's program.","human_ref_B":"Lowly Biomed technician - mainly tech work. But any engineering in Aus is kinda hard to find atm.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":265.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"8kn4dm","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Graduated a year ago. Why cant I find a job? I graduated in Civil Engineering a year ago and have been unable to find a job. I have no engineering experience which I think is the cause. I have not had a single interview over this entire time. What should I do to find a job. I have sent out applications to a majority of companies in Louisiana.  Is there a non engineering job that I can work at for the time being that will help with my lack of experience? Thanks.","c_root_id_A":"dz8ztvz","c_root_id_B":"dz910w5","created_at_utc_A":1526757678,"created_at_utc_B":1526759099,"score_A":11,"score_B":92,"human_ref_A":"Not familiar with the job market in Louisiana but it\u2019s time that you apply outside of the area.","human_ref_B":"Here\u2019s a little dichotomous key on evaluating why you aren\u2019t getting a job.  1. Have you put in over 500 applications? No. 2 Yes. 3 2. Not enough applications 3. Have you made any human contact with a job? No. 4 Yes. 5 4. Problem with resume or application not passing filter 5. Is your human contact an interview? No. 6 Yes. 7 6. Lack of skill or lack of salesmanship on resume 7. Have you been made offers for a second interview or job opportunity? No. 8 Yes. Job opportunity 9. 2nd interview 11. 8. You fail to sell yourself well in the interview 9. Was the only offers below market value? Yes. 10 No. you should have a job  10. You lack skills and experience. 11. Have you received an offer after your second interview? Yes.9 No.12 12. You lost out to better candidates try again champ.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1421.0,"score_ratio":8.3636363636}
{"post_id":"8kn4dm","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Graduated a year ago. Why cant I find a job? I graduated in Civil Engineering a year ago and have been unable to find a job. I have no engineering experience which I think is the cause. I have not had a single interview over this entire time. What should I do to find a job. I have sent out applications to a majority of companies in Louisiana.  Is there a non engineering job that I can work at for the time being that will help with my lack of experience? Thanks.","c_root_id_A":"dz8ztvz","c_root_id_B":"dz92hrs","created_at_utc_A":1526757678,"created_at_utc_B":1526760814,"score_A":11,"score_B":24,"human_ref_A":"Not familiar with the job market in Louisiana but it\u2019s time that you apply outside of the area.","human_ref_B":"yeah your resume is a bit rough.  objective: should be a quick summary of what you've done. for instance, i work in med device, so i say that i've been in med device for 5 years now. it should be a paragraph summary of what you can do, not what you want. nobody cares that you want a FT job.   education: take out the starting year, esp since it took you more than 4 years (blah blah extenuating circumstances, we get it, but no need to highlight it). add your GPA if it's high (3.5+) and congrats on getting a scholarship and going to high school. take it out.   certifications-keep that. maybe mention specific state?   software -keep that. that's good.  work history: seriously take all of those out. and flip the dates: 2011-2015.  do you have any research exp or projects that you work on? *anything* that you can talk about aside from the fact that you took calc 1.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3136.0,"score_ratio":2.1818181818}
{"post_id":"8kn4dm","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Graduated a year ago. Why cant I find a job? I graduated in Civil Engineering a year ago and have been unable to find a job. I have no engineering experience which I think is the cause. I have not had a single interview over this entire time. What should I do to find a job. I have sent out applications to a majority of companies in Louisiana.  Is there a non engineering job that I can work at for the time being that will help with my lack of experience? Thanks.","c_root_id_A":"dz92v1q","c_root_id_B":"dz8ztvz","created_at_utc_A":1526761251,"created_at_utc_B":1526757678,"score_A":15,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"Honestly if you can\u2019t find a job anytime soon the commissioning as an officer in a branch of the military is a viable choice.","human_ref_B":"Not familiar with the job market in Louisiana but it\u2019s time that you apply outside of the area.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3573.0,"score_ratio":1.3636363636}
{"post_id":"8kn4dm","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Graduated a year ago. Why cant I find a job? I graduated in Civil Engineering a year ago and have been unable to find a job. I have no engineering experience which I think is the cause. I have not had a single interview over this entire time. What should I do to find a job. I have sent out applications to a majority of companies in Louisiana.  Is there a non engineering job that I can work at for the time being that will help with my lack of experience? Thanks.","c_root_id_A":"dz96of2","c_root_id_B":"dz96kxw","created_at_utc_A":1526765751,"created_at_utc_B":1526765634,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"When I graduated from college I didn't put work experience I put experience and put all of the school projects that I worked on.  Most classes had a lab or final group project so I did that. I also was in a bunch of clubs so I put leadership experience and said what I did in the clubs.  Note don't put clubs that you are a member down only if you actually had a title or if you ran a special event.","human_ref_B":"because the market is flooded for new hires and is more competitive than society tends to make people believe.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":117.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"22brib","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.77,"history":"[Electrical Engineering] What are the most important programs for Electrical Engineers to learn? I'm currently an EE student, so I would like to prepare myself for after college. Thank you.","c_root_id_A":"cglc8iu","c_root_id_B":"cglf123","created_at_utc_A":1396776639,"created_at_utc_B":1396792684,"score_A":6,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"Lots of people I know have used python\/scipy\/numpy recently for general applications and digital signal processing implementing fft etc.","human_ref_B":"Unfortunately, excel. I'd learn Visual Basic to really use excel to it's full potential.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":16045.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"22brib","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.77,"history":"[Electrical Engineering] What are the most important programs for Electrical Engineers to learn? I'm currently an EE student, so I would like to prepare myself for after college. Thank you.","c_root_id_A":"cglf123","c_root_id_B":"cglcoyf","created_at_utc_A":1396792684,"created_at_utc_B":1396779914,"score_A":8,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Unfortunately, excel. I'd learn Visual Basic to really use excel to it's full potential.","human_ref_B":"Some background reading on history wouldn't hurt. I can recommend 'the Electric Life of Michael Faraday' by Hirshfield and 'The Man who Changed Everything' by Mahon.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":12770.0,"score_ratio":2.6666666667}
{"post_id":"22brib","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.77,"history":"[Electrical Engineering] What are the most important programs for Electrical Engineers to learn? I'm currently an EE student, so I would like to prepare myself for after college. Thank you.","c_root_id_A":"cglcoyf","c_root_id_B":"cglfa7j","created_at_utc_A":1396779914,"created_at_utc_B":1396793607,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Some background reading on history wouldn't hurt. I can recommend 'the Electric Life of Michael Faraday' by Hirshfield and 'The Man who Changed Everything' by Mahon.","human_ref_B":"Well, Matlab, C, VB, AutoCad, and Excel are where it's at. Excel is one of those things where you think you know it, and really, you don't.  Now, I'm a Electrical Controls Engineer. If you do that route, I'd learn WonderWare (although it's a horrible piece of shit program, it is the industry standard for SCADA) and RS Logix 500\/5000.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":13693.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"2wqsvq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"What is the current state of engineering ethics in China? I am asking this in a completely objective way, despite the subjective nature of the subject. I just want to avoid prejudice. Whatever judgments or preconceptions you've picked up about Chinese individuals or companies, leave them at the door.  I want people who are Chinese engineers, or work in China, or work closely with Chinese companies or engineers to speak up and give me your honest opinion.  What is the culture of engineering ethics in China, compared to that of Europe, Japan or the United States? We all are aware of the many negative things associated with the Chinese, be it about copyright, hacking, etcetera. Are these attitudes and actions actually expressed among the engineering community, and the management that they work with? What is it actually like?  I have always wanted to go to China for many reasons but my unfamiliarity with this specific part of the culture has always prevented me from thinking in a rational way. The recent \"Superfish\" OEM spyware install got me thinking, are my prejudiced ideas really correct? What's it really like? What could both countries learn from each other?  So please, tell away, if you think you have something to say about what I'm asking.","c_root_id_A":"cotem3p","c_root_id_B":"cotdegi","created_at_utc_A":1424614104,"created_at_utc_B":1424609241,"score_A":42,"score_B":21,"human_ref_A":"well if it's anything like the ethics of the 80% or so Chinese in my grad program, I'm genuinely scared to ever do business with Chinese once I graduate.  Just from my perspective, not all, but really most of them:  * cheat on exams * plagiarize from online sources * submit the exact same material from each other for homework * No proof but I have some theories that they pay off administrators as well   All this comes from my experiences in classes and as a TA where I've seen these things first hand.  Oh we've also had problems in my department with Chinese faculty including:  * A professor that faked a heart attack to return to his business in China * Another professor that was collecting a salary from my university and a university in China when he was supposed to be teaching in America * Inappropriate spending of research funds   This is really just a short list, it's scary to me how badly many engineers from China lack basic ethics. Feel free to change my opinion, I'm just surrounded by so much of this on a daily basis.","human_ref_B":"A Chinese company buys a top of the line direction finder (worth millions) from a German company. Six months later, there is a knock off on the market with exactly same components and reverse engineered chips.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4863.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"2wqsvq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"What is the current state of engineering ethics in China? I am asking this in a completely objective way, despite the subjective nature of the subject. I just want to avoid prejudice. Whatever judgments or preconceptions you've picked up about Chinese individuals or companies, leave them at the door.  I want people who are Chinese engineers, or work in China, or work closely with Chinese companies or engineers to speak up and give me your honest opinion.  What is the culture of engineering ethics in China, compared to that of Europe, Japan or the United States? We all are aware of the many negative things associated with the Chinese, be it about copyright, hacking, etcetera. Are these attitudes and actions actually expressed among the engineering community, and the management that they work with? What is it actually like?  I have always wanted to go to China for many reasons but my unfamiliarity with this specific part of the culture has always prevented me from thinking in a rational way. The recent \"Superfish\" OEM spyware install got me thinking, are my prejudiced ideas really correct? What's it really like? What could both countries learn from each other?  So please, tell away, if you think you have something to say about what I'm asking.","c_root_id_A":"cotl4rb","c_root_id_B":"cotikky","created_at_utc_A":1424629019,"created_at_utc_B":1424624172,"score_A":18,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"I work with a few EMS  facilities (factories that make electronics) and a flock of suppliers. I'm on my phone, formatting will be weird.  Engineering aside, there's a culture difference most Americans (including myself when I started) have a hard time wrapping their head around.   \"Don't reinvent the wheel\" may be a better description. Western culture would agree but at the same time will refuse because copying is considered taboo instead of wise.  Now, engeers in China.... The ones I've worked with were very talented (most of them) and face basically the same challenges western engineers face. The engineers I've worked with genuinely want to make great products and show pride in their work. I have learned from them and they have likely learned from me.   When it comes to copying, its largely out of their hands. Since its not culturally taboo, its not an ethics question (unless things are known to be unsafe). It's not even illegal, so if you base your ethics on law, that's your problem (I don't expect foreign companies to submit to Chinese law).  Re: Superfish. Do you really think that was an engineering decision? Have you ever been bypassed on decisions because its a business decision, not an engineering one? Its not as if Chinese companies are the only ones doing this stupid shit (anyone remember Carrier IQ from a couple years ago?).  All this aside.... I'd certainly prefer it if copying wasn't a thing to contend with. At the same time, you've \"made it\" when soneone does copy you. You can enter a whole new strategy of \"copy\" versus \"original\" brand differentiation which can be very successful for some markets.  Finally, comparing Chinese students in American universities as a measure of Chinese engineers is a little unfair and shortsighted. Those kids come from very wealthy families and are a relatively small group compared to engineers graduating in China. It would literally be prejudicial to base what you know about engineers in China on Chinese students in foreign universities.","human_ref_B":"Minor quibble: Superfish is actually a US company, and Lenovo just stupidly installed their spyware.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4847.0,"score_ratio":1.8}
{"post_id":"2wqsvq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"What is the current state of engineering ethics in China? I am asking this in a completely objective way, despite the subjective nature of the subject. I just want to avoid prejudice. Whatever judgments or preconceptions you've picked up about Chinese individuals or companies, leave them at the door.  I want people who are Chinese engineers, or work in China, or work closely with Chinese companies or engineers to speak up and give me your honest opinion.  What is the culture of engineering ethics in China, compared to that of Europe, Japan or the United States? We all are aware of the many negative things associated with the Chinese, be it about copyright, hacking, etcetera. Are these attitudes and actions actually expressed among the engineering community, and the management that they work with? What is it actually like?  I have always wanted to go to China for many reasons but my unfamiliarity with this specific part of the culture has always prevented me from thinking in a rational way. The recent \"Superfish\" OEM spyware install got me thinking, are my prejudiced ideas really correct? What's it really like? What could both countries learn from each other?  So please, tell away, if you think you have something to say about what I'm asking.","c_root_id_A":"cotevf3","c_root_id_B":"cotl4rb","created_at_utc_A":1424614967,"created_at_utc_B":1424629019,"score_A":5,"score_B":18,"human_ref_A":"From my observations, there is a split amongst the engineers I've come in contact with. The vast majority lack really any ethics. They find the cheapest and shortest rout to completion. So that means cheating, stealing information, and exploitation. On the other hand I've found a small portion are actually very intelligent and hard working. It seems that the those who adopt western cultures or more likely to be the latter.  This is just from my personal observations and it could be different from everyone else's experience.","human_ref_B":"I work with a few EMS  facilities (factories that make electronics) and a flock of suppliers. I'm on my phone, formatting will be weird.  Engineering aside, there's a culture difference most Americans (including myself when I started) have a hard time wrapping their head around.   \"Don't reinvent the wheel\" may be a better description. Western culture would agree but at the same time will refuse because copying is considered taboo instead of wise.  Now, engeers in China.... The ones I've worked with were very talented (most of them) and face basically the same challenges western engineers face. The engineers I've worked with genuinely want to make great products and show pride in their work. I have learned from them and they have likely learned from me.   When it comes to copying, its largely out of their hands. Since its not culturally taboo, its not an ethics question (unless things are known to be unsafe). It's not even illegal, so if you base your ethics on law, that's your problem (I don't expect foreign companies to submit to Chinese law).  Re: Superfish. Do you really think that was an engineering decision? Have you ever been bypassed on decisions because its a business decision, not an engineering one? Its not as if Chinese companies are the only ones doing this stupid shit (anyone remember Carrier IQ from a couple years ago?).  All this aside.... I'd certainly prefer it if copying wasn't a thing to contend with. At the same time, you've \"made it\" when soneone does copy you. You can enter a whole new strategy of \"copy\" versus \"original\" brand differentiation which can be very successful for some markets.  Finally, comparing Chinese students in American universities as a measure of Chinese engineers is a little unfair and shortsighted. Those kids come from very wealthy families and are a relatively small group compared to engineers graduating in China. It would literally be prejudicial to base what you know about engineers in China on Chinese students in foreign universities.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":14052.0,"score_ratio":3.6}
{"post_id":"2wqsvq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"What is the current state of engineering ethics in China? I am asking this in a completely objective way, despite the subjective nature of the subject. I just want to avoid prejudice. Whatever judgments or preconceptions you've picked up about Chinese individuals or companies, leave them at the door.  I want people who are Chinese engineers, or work in China, or work closely with Chinese companies or engineers to speak up and give me your honest opinion.  What is the culture of engineering ethics in China, compared to that of Europe, Japan or the United States? We all are aware of the many negative things associated with the Chinese, be it about copyright, hacking, etcetera. Are these attitudes and actions actually expressed among the engineering community, and the management that they work with? What is it actually like?  I have always wanted to go to China for many reasons but my unfamiliarity with this specific part of the culture has always prevented me from thinking in a rational way. The recent \"Superfish\" OEM spyware install got me thinking, are my prejudiced ideas really correct? What's it really like? What could both countries learn from each other?  So please, tell away, if you think you have something to say about what I'm asking.","c_root_id_A":"cotfk4c","c_root_id_B":"cotl4rb","created_at_utc_A":1424617082,"created_at_utc_B":1424629019,"score_A":4,"score_B":18,"human_ref_A":"What ethics?","human_ref_B":"I work with a few EMS  facilities (factories that make electronics) and a flock of suppliers. I'm on my phone, formatting will be weird.  Engineering aside, there's a culture difference most Americans (including myself when I started) have a hard time wrapping their head around.   \"Don't reinvent the wheel\" may be a better description. Western culture would agree but at the same time will refuse because copying is considered taboo instead of wise.  Now, engeers in China.... The ones I've worked with were very talented (most of them) and face basically the same challenges western engineers face. The engineers I've worked with genuinely want to make great products and show pride in their work. I have learned from them and they have likely learned from me.   When it comes to copying, its largely out of their hands. Since its not culturally taboo, its not an ethics question (unless things are known to be unsafe). It's not even illegal, so if you base your ethics on law, that's your problem (I don't expect foreign companies to submit to Chinese law).  Re: Superfish. Do you really think that was an engineering decision? Have you ever been bypassed on decisions because its a business decision, not an engineering one? Its not as if Chinese companies are the only ones doing this stupid shit (anyone remember Carrier IQ from a couple years ago?).  All this aside.... I'd certainly prefer it if copying wasn't a thing to contend with. At the same time, you've \"made it\" when soneone does copy you. You can enter a whole new strategy of \"copy\" versus \"original\" brand differentiation which can be very successful for some markets.  Finally, comparing Chinese students in American universities as a measure of Chinese engineers is a little unfair and shortsighted. Those kids come from very wealthy families and are a relatively small group compared to engineers graduating in China. It would literally be prejudicial to base what you know about engineers in China on Chinese students in foreign universities.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11937.0,"score_ratio":4.5}
{"post_id":"2wqsvq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"What is the current state of engineering ethics in China? I am asking this in a completely objective way, despite the subjective nature of the subject. I just want to avoid prejudice. Whatever judgments or preconceptions you've picked up about Chinese individuals or companies, leave them at the door.  I want people who are Chinese engineers, or work in China, or work closely with Chinese companies or engineers to speak up and give me your honest opinion.  What is the culture of engineering ethics in China, compared to that of Europe, Japan or the United States? We all are aware of the many negative things associated with the Chinese, be it about copyright, hacking, etcetera. Are these attitudes and actions actually expressed among the engineering community, and the management that they work with? What is it actually like?  I have always wanted to go to China for many reasons but my unfamiliarity with this specific part of the culture has always prevented me from thinking in a rational way. The recent \"Superfish\" OEM spyware install got me thinking, are my prejudiced ideas really correct? What's it really like? What could both countries learn from each other?  So please, tell away, if you think you have something to say about what I'm asking.","c_root_id_A":"cotevf3","c_root_id_B":"cotikky","created_at_utc_A":1424614967,"created_at_utc_B":1424624172,"score_A":5,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"From my observations, there is a split amongst the engineers I've come in contact with. The vast majority lack really any ethics. They find the cheapest and shortest rout to completion. So that means cheating, stealing information, and exploitation. On the other hand I've found a small portion are actually very intelligent and hard working. It seems that the those who adopt western cultures or more likely to be the latter.  This is just from my personal observations and it could be different from everyone else's experience.","human_ref_B":"Minor quibble: Superfish is actually a US company, and Lenovo just stupidly installed their spyware.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9205.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"2wqsvq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"What is the current state of engineering ethics in China? I am asking this in a completely objective way, despite the subjective nature of the subject. I just want to avoid prejudice. Whatever judgments or preconceptions you've picked up about Chinese individuals or companies, leave them at the door.  I want people who are Chinese engineers, or work in China, or work closely with Chinese companies or engineers to speak up and give me your honest opinion.  What is the culture of engineering ethics in China, compared to that of Europe, Japan or the United States? We all are aware of the many negative things associated with the Chinese, be it about copyright, hacking, etcetera. Are these attitudes and actions actually expressed among the engineering community, and the management that they work with? What is it actually like?  I have always wanted to go to China for many reasons but my unfamiliarity with this specific part of the culture has always prevented me from thinking in a rational way. The recent \"Superfish\" OEM spyware install got me thinking, are my prejudiced ideas really correct? What's it really like? What could both countries learn from each other?  So please, tell away, if you think you have something to say about what I'm asking.","c_root_id_A":"cotfk4c","c_root_id_B":"cotikky","created_at_utc_A":1424617082,"created_at_utc_B":1424624172,"score_A":4,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"What ethics?","human_ref_B":"Minor quibble: Superfish is actually a US company, and Lenovo just stupidly installed their spyware.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7090.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"xgvk9l","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Proper type of washer to prevent aluminum fastener from locking up    We have a fishing line winder machine at work that is over-built from mainly aluminum and stainless steel. I could go into more detail, but doubt it's really necessary.  The issue we are having is the one of the fasteners that lock the spool of line into the machine uses a large aluminum fastener that will lock up if it is accidentally loosened all the way until bottoms out. It has been machined so perfectly that if these surfaces touch at all, it is nearly impossible to get them apart with your hands.  My thought was to find an appropriately sized nylon washer, but I wonder if that is the right material, or even approach. When I was unable to find a nylon washer the size I needed at Grainer, I figured I should seek some help before going down the wrong rabbit hole.  Thanks for any insight that can be offered.  https:\/\/i.imgur.com\/pvV5FlU.jpg","c_root_id_A":"iou7xvl","c_root_id_B":"iouigml","created_at_utc_A":1663446024,"created_at_utc_B":1663450590,"score_A":4,"score_B":19,"human_ref_A":"A stiff stainless steel wave spring may also help you instead of a washer.","human_ref_B":"If you want a very simple solution, use an oring.  Just stretch one over the threads up to the shoulder, it gives a nice cushion and prevents the two faces from contacting.  Soft enough not to damage \/ gall the aluminum like a stainless wave spring or belleville washer.  Cheap as borscht and widely available.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4566.0,"score_ratio":4.75}
{"post_id":"xgvk9l","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Proper type of washer to prevent aluminum fastener from locking up    We have a fishing line winder machine at work that is over-built from mainly aluminum and stainless steel. I could go into more detail, but doubt it's really necessary.  The issue we are having is the one of the fasteners that lock the spool of line into the machine uses a large aluminum fastener that will lock up if it is accidentally loosened all the way until bottoms out. It has been machined so perfectly that if these surfaces touch at all, it is nearly impossible to get them apart with your hands.  My thought was to find an appropriately sized nylon washer, but I wonder if that is the right material, or even approach. When I was unable to find a nylon washer the size I needed at Grainer, I figured I should seek some help before going down the wrong rabbit hole.  Thanks for any insight that can be offered.  https:\/\/i.imgur.com\/pvV5FlU.jpg","c_root_id_A":"ioucw8k","c_root_id_B":"iouigml","created_at_utc_A":1663448176,"created_at_utc_B":1663450590,"score_A":4,"score_B":19,"human_ref_A":"A Belleville washer might help.  It would act as a spring.","human_ref_B":"If you want a very simple solution, use an oring.  Just stretch one over the threads up to the shoulder, it gives a nice cushion and prevents the two faces from contacting.  Soft enough not to damage \/ gall the aluminum like a stainless wave spring or belleville washer.  Cheap as borscht and widely available.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2414.0,"score_ratio":4.75}
{"post_id":"x19bfm","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Can someone explain recent turbo tech to me? I am structural, not mechanical, so a lot of the technical aspect of turbocharging escapes me but I remember being educated years ago about hot compressed gasses and needing to idle the car before switching ignition off with a.m. turbo.  Recently helping my parent get a new car, I have seen Honda Civics with turbos, Mazda has their SkyActiv and Ford their EcoBoost. Everyone seems to be sticking a turbo in their engine to max fuel savings. So what's changed in the last 15 years that's made it easier to run a turbo car, so has nothing changed and we are just not talking about it. Thanks.  And sorry if this is not cool too ask here but the folks over at r\/cars chose not to entertain this question.","c_root_id_A":"imcly0l","c_root_id_B":"imcmyok","created_at_utc_A":1661835115,"created_at_utc_B":1661835793,"score_A":46,"score_B":85,"human_ref_A":"GDI makes it a lot easier to run boost + relatively high compression on pump gas. Not a mech-e but that seems to be the tipping point for when turbos became very commonplace.","human_ref_B":"Turbos, fundamentally, have not changed pretty much since they were invented.  You have superchargers, where the compressor is driven by a belt or chain from the drivetrain.  You have turbosuperchargers (\"turbochargers\") where the compressor is driven by a turbine somewhere along the exhaust manifold.  Fundamentally they all do the same thing which is deliver pressurized (higher-density) air to the combustion chamber so that you can also deliver more fuel and still maintain the stoich ratio, thus you get more oomph from a given cylinder displacement.  >I remember being educated years ago about hot compressed gasses and needing to idle the car before switching ignition off with a.m. turbo.  This is because many turbos are oil cooled, and if you drive the car hard and switch the engine off right away, this also kills the oil pump and thus the turbo is potentially not being adequately cooled.  Unless you *really* push the vehicle hard on a hot day, or if you are running aftermarket\/performance parts, the impact of this problem is vastly overstated.  Auto manufacturers know that most people won't idle the engine before turning it off and they design the powertrains with this in mind.  Your dad doesn't have to baby his ecoboost F150.  >So what's changed in the last 15 years that's made it easier to run a turbo car, so has nothing changed and we are just not talking about it.  The market has changed.  The crisp throttle response of a naturally-aspirated engine isn't as desirable to consumers as more power.  And you can advertise bigger power numbers if you shove a turbo in there.  The tech has also matured.  With electrical assist to reduce turbo lag and variable geometry nozzles to shape the response curve there's little downside to charging.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":678.0,"score_ratio":1.847826087}
{"post_id":"f8kpi4","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Why do toothpaste caps have so many threads? For motor connectors, there are options like  SpeedTech connectors. What is stopping tooth paste manufacturers from using a similar technique?   Is there a broad patent on this technique or could it be applied to toothpaste as well?  Do they simply not see enough of an issue\/demand to change their product?  Why am I turning my toothpaste cap 2-3 revolutions when I could be turning it less than one?","c_root_id_A":"fim4cik","c_root_id_B":"fim4bhl","created_at_utc_A":1582517808,"created_at_utc_B":1582517785,"score_A":36,"score_B":25,"human_ref_A":"As someone else said, there are some brands that just have a flip cap. But I imagine there might be variation among threaded brands as to how many threads are used, really for no good reason. You see the same thing in plastic water bottles - some bottles have a thin cap with only a couple threads, while others seem to think your little water bottle is going to be used in a hydraulic power circuit or something and thus needs quite a few more threads. The designer probably wasn't given any specification on how many threads are needed, so they just picked something and then that gets mass produced.","human_ref_B":"It's most likely cost for one thread type vs another. (Can't say thread vs flip top). The current threads most likely use a standard thread type\/size for plastics. Cheap to make and easy to get manufacturing tools\/suppliers. Anything non standard would require time and money, and likely nobody thinks it's worth it.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":23.0,"score_ratio":1.44}
{"post_id":"f8kpi4","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Why do toothpaste caps have so many threads? For motor connectors, there are options like  SpeedTech connectors. What is stopping tooth paste manufacturers from using a similar technique?   Is there a broad patent on this technique or could it be applied to toothpaste as well?  Do they simply not see enough of an issue\/demand to change their product?  Why am I turning my toothpaste cap 2-3 revolutions when I could be turning it less than one?","c_root_id_A":"fimhgtw","c_root_id_B":"fimhgsy","created_at_utc_A":1582530496,"created_at_utc_B":1582530495,"score_A":25,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"interrupted-thread designs require far more precision than continuous threads. Think about it: if the cap isn't tight yet and you keep turning, whelp, you're back into the interrupted threads and the cap comes off.  It's a great design for high-tolerance parts - expensive electrical connectors, naval gun breaches, etc. Bad design to use on disposable, relatively soft plastic parts.","human_ref_B":"One quarter turn to close means one quarter turn to open, which means one quarter turn to cause a fairly bad mess during filling and one quarter turn to potentially render the tube unfit for sale. Plus I imagine the tolerances for the mold tooling would be far less forgiving.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1.0,"score_ratio":1.9230769231}
{"post_id":"f8kpi4","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Why do toothpaste caps have so many threads? For motor connectors, there are options like  SpeedTech connectors. What is stopping tooth paste manufacturers from using a similar technique?   Is there a broad patent on this technique or could it be applied to toothpaste as well?  Do they simply not see enough of an issue\/demand to change their product?  Why am I turning my toothpaste cap 2-3 revolutions when I could be turning it less than one?","c_root_id_A":"fimdexy","c_root_id_B":"fimhgtw","created_at_utc_A":1582525940,"created_at_utc_B":1582530496,"score_A":6,"score_B":25,"human_ref_A":"Mine's a quarter turn thread. Super nice and easy. Never has come off traveling or packed or anything.","human_ref_B":"interrupted-thread designs require far more precision than continuous threads. Think about it: if the cap isn't tight yet and you keep turning, whelp, you're back into the interrupted threads and the cap comes off.  It's a great design for high-tolerance parts - expensive electrical connectors, naval gun breaches, etc. Bad design to use on disposable, relatively soft plastic parts.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4556.0,"score_ratio":4.1666666667}
{"post_id":"f8kpi4","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Why do toothpaste caps have so many threads? For motor connectors, there are options like  SpeedTech connectors. What is stopping tooth paste manufacturers from using a similar technique?   Is there a broad patent on this technique or could it be applied to toothpaste as well?  Do they simply not see enough of an issue\/demand to change their product?  Why am I turning my toothpaste cap 2-3 revolutions when I could be turning it less than one?","c_root_id_A":"fimhgsy","c_root_id_B":"fimdexy","created_at_utc_A":1582530495,"created_at_utc_B":1582525940,"score_A":13,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"One quarter turn to close means one quarter turn to open, which means one quarter turn to cause a fairly bad mess during filling and one quarter turn to potentially render the tube unfit for sale. Plus I imagine the tolerances for the mold tooling would be far less forgiving.","human_ref_B":"Mine's a quarter turn thread. Super nice and easy. Never has come off traveling or packed or anything.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4555.0,"score_ratio":2.1666666667}
{"post_id":"f8kpi4","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Why do toothpaste caps have so many threads? For motor connectors, there are options like  SpeedTech connectors. What is stopping tooth paste manufacturers from using a similar technique?   Is there a broad patent on this technique or could it be applied to toothpaste as well?  Do they simply not see enough of an issue\/demand to change their product?  Why am I turning my toothpaste cap 2-3 revolutions when I could be turning it less than one?","c_root_id_A":"fimhr8s","c_root_id_B":"fimdexy","created_at_utc_A":1582530842,"created_at_utc_B":1582525940,"score_A":12,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Because no one is picking which toothpaste to buy based on how many turns it takes to get the cap off","human_ref_B":"Mine's a quarter turn thread. Super nice and easy. Never has come off traveling or packed or anything.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4902.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"f8kpi4","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Why do toothpaste caps have so many threads? For motor connectors, there are options like  SpeedTech connectors. What is stopping tooth paste manufacturers from using a similar technique?   Is there a broad patent on this technique or could it be applied to toothpaste as well?  Do they simply not see enough of an issue\/demand to change their product?  Why am I turning my toothpaste cap 2-3 revolutions when I could be turning it less than one?","c_root_id_A":"fimdexy","c_root_id_B":"fimm0if","created_at_utc_A":1582525940,"created_at_utc_B":1582536448,"score_A":6,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Mine's a quarter turn thread. Super nice and easy. Never has come off traveling or packed or anything.","human_ref_B":"Funny you should mention this. My wife brought home a European brand of toothpaste with only one or two threads on it and I used it first time yesterday. It felt wrong compared to the ones I'm used to. Very unsatisfying to screw up.  I was surprised at the time at my reaction, thinking i normally like more efficient designs. But it just wasn't satisfying.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10508.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"bz0nxk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"Considering telling my boss that I intend to leave the company in a year. Is this a bad idea? I know what the conventional response is: do not tell your company you intend to quit unless you can afford to be fired that same day. I have seen it on this subreddit, \/r\/personalfinance, \/r\/cscareerquestions, etc.   However, I think my situation is unique. I am on a team supporting a project. We previously had 7 people. About 8 months ago, the most senior member on the team, and the only other engineer working with me onsite, retired. We knew this was going to happen, but it was still a huge loss of knowledge. Last week the project manager put in her two weeks' notice for personal reasons. I posted about how I think I am going to have to absorb her responsibility last week. It appears clear now that that is what some of the higher-ups are planning. Previously I was already sort of irreplaceable, but if this happens, I will be the most important member of the project team by far (which is a bad idea in my opinion, beer truck succession planning, etc, in addition to this being well outside of my experience level).   The timing for this expansion is also not great because in two months I start an online master's program in a different field, so I don't really want more responsibility and I definitely don't want more stress. I am a chemical engineer and the master's is in computer science, so not that closely related. To tell my boss that I am starting this program would be tantamount to me telling him I intend to quit at some point in the near future. So there is no telling him one without the other.   Part of me wants to just level with my boss, tell him of my intentions: master's program in August, leave in ~May 2020, support the project until then. There is absolutely 0% chance that I will get fired for telling him this, I can say that for an absolute fact. My company would take at minimum 6 months to get a competent replacement for the previous project manager up to speed, similarly for me. Both the project manager and myself have been working on this project since day one, so we are incredibly familiar with the details of the project. The company literally could not afford to lose both of us. There would be no one left to support the project from an operational and managerial aspect.   What do I have to gain by doing this? Probably not much besides being honest with my boss and allowing them to avert disaster by concentrating all of this responsibility on me and then have me quit in a year (less of a disaster if the project is complete by then, 50\/50 shot of that happening). It could help them figure out how we are going to push the project along without putting far too much of the responsibility on me, which would probably result in a better finished product at the end of project.  What do I have to lose by doing this? Nothing really. Or nothing that would matter really. They can't fire me today. If they chose to \"punish\" me in other ways, reduced COL adjustment next year or something, the impact would be insignificant. If they hired a replacement and got them trained up and then fired me in 6 months, that wouldn't be catastrophic either. I have a decent amount saved up already in preparation for quitting. I would find some way to make some income that would allow more time to focus on and accelerate my studies.   What do I have to gain by doing nothing? Nothing. I don't want more responsibility and I'm not looking for more exposure to grow my career within the company.   What do I have to lose by doing nothing? Possible impacts to my studies (remains to be seen, but there would definitely be an increased time commitment).   Any advice would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"eqpmvw7","c_root_id_B":"eqojpml","created_at_utc_A":1560201596,"created_at_utc_B":1560189374,"score_A":24,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"> Previously I was already sort of irreplaceable, but if this happens, I will be the most important member of the project team by far    Famous last words from everyone surprised that they got laid off.","human_ref_B":"I would have an open discussion with your boss about your masters degree, the school workload you\u2019re expecting, and that you\u2019re concerned with being able to support additional responsibilities for the project due to said Masters workload.  I would not discuss that you will be quitting or hint at it.  Let your boss come to that conclusion on his own.  Just be clear that you feel you can support your existing responsibilities, but can\u2019t put in extra time to cover someone that left.    The worst case scenario is that they fire you immediately.  You may think youre irreplaceable (and you might be for now), but not every manager or company is rational.  They may feel offended or due to budget constraints, they cut their losses on you and hire a replacement ASAP.    The downside to not telling them, is they load you up anyway and your performance drops or you end up quitting early.   But you might not have to deal with crap work, offhanded commments, etc in the mean time.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":12222.0,"score_ratio":1.4117647059}
{"post_id":"bz0nxk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"Considering telling my boss that I intend to leave the company in a year. Is this a bad idea? I know what the conventional response is: do not tell your company you intend to quit unless you can afford to be fired that same day. I have seen it on this subreddit, \/r\/personalfinance, \/r\/cscareerquestions, etc.   However, I think my situation is unique. I am on a team supporting a project. We previously had 7 people. About 8 months ago, the most senior member on the team, and the only other engineer working with me onsite, retired. We knew this was going to happen, but it was still a huge loss of knowledge. Last week the project manager put in her two weeks' notice for personal reasons. I posted about how I think I am going to have to absorb her responsibility last week. It appears clear now that that is what some of the higher-ups are planning. Previously I was already sort of irreplaceable, but if this happens, I will be the most important member of the project team by far (which is a bad idea in my opinion, beer truck succession planning, etc, in addition to this being well outside of my experience level).   The timing for this expansion is also not great because in two months I start an online master's program in a different field, so I don't really want more responsibility and I definitely don't want more stress. I am a chemical engineer and the master's is in computer science, so not that closely related. To tell my boss that I am starting this program would be tantamount to me telling him I intend to quit at some point in the near future. So there is no telling him one without the other.   Part of me wants to just level with my boss, tell him of my intentions: master's program in August, leave in ~May 2020, support the project until then. There is absolutely 0% chance that I will get fired for telling him this, I can say that for an absolute fact. My company would take at minimum 6 months to get a competent replacement for the previous project manager up to speed, similarly for me. Both the project manager and myself have been working on this project since day one, so we are incredibly familiar with the details of the project. The company literally could not afford to lose both of us. There would be no one left to support the project from an operational and managerial aspect.   What do I have to gain by doing this? Probably not much besides being honest with my boss and allowing them to avert disaster by concentrating all of this responsibility on me and then have me quit in a year (less of a disaster if the project is complete by then, 50\/50 shot of that happening). It could help them figure out how we are going to push the project along without putting far too much of the responsibility on me, which would probably result in a better finished product at the end of project.  What do I have to lose by doing this? Nothing really. Or nothing that would matter really. They can't fire me today. If they chose to \"punish\" me in other ways, reduced COL adjustment next year or something, the impact would be insignificant. If they hired a replacement and got them trained up and then fired me in 6 months, that wouldn't be catastrophic either. I have a decent amount saved up already in preparation for quitting. I would find some way to make some income that would allow more time to focus on and accelerate my studies.   What do I have to gain by doing nothing? Nothing. I don't want more responsibility and I'm not looking for more exposure to grow my career within the company.   What do I have to lose by doing nothing? Possible impacts to my studies (remains to be seen, but there would definitely be an increased time commitment).   Any advice would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"eqpmvw7","c_root_id_B":"eqpjgnh","created_at_utc_A":1560201596,"created_at_utc_B":1560200377,"score_A":24,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"> Previously I was already sort of irreplaceable, but if this happens, I will be the most important member of the project team by far    Famous last words from everyone surprised that they got laid off.","human_ref_B":"No one is irreplaceable from a company perspective. I'm not talking about your manager, or their managers opinion on the matter. The company as a whole never thinks that far ahead. They'll let you go without a second thought. I wouldn't take the chance. You're taking a chance.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1219.0,"score_ratio":2.1818181818}
{"post_id":"bz0nxk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"Considering telling my boss that I intend to leave the company in a year. Is this a bad idea? I know what the conventional response is: do not tell your company you intend to quit unless you can afford to be fired that same day. I have seen it on this subreddit, \/r\/personalfinance, \/r\/cscareerquestions, etc.   However, I think my situation is unique. I am on a team supporting a project. We previously had 7 people. About 8 months ago, the most senior member on the team, and the only other engineer working with me onsite, retired. We knew this was going to happen, but it was still a huge loss of knowledge. Last week the project manager put in her two weeks' notice for personal reasons. I posted about how I think I am going to have to absorb her responsibility last week. It appears clear now that that is what some of the higher-ups are planning. Previously I was already sort of irreplaceable, but if this happens, I will be the most important member of the project team by far (which is a bad idea in my opinion, beer truck succession planning, etc, in addition to this being well outside of my experience level).   The timing for this expansion is also not great because in two months I start an online master's program in a different field, so I don't really want more responsibility and I definitely don't want more stress. I am a chemical engineer and the master's is in computer science, so not that closely related. To tell my boss that I am starting this program would be tantamount to me telling him I intend to quit at some point in the near future. So there is no telling him one without the other.   Part of me wants to just level with my boss, tell him of my intentions: master's program in August, leave in ~May 2020, support the project until then. There is absolutely 0% chance that I will get fired for telling him this, I can say that for an absolute fact. My company would take at minimum 6 months to get a competent replacement for the previous project manager up to speed, similarly for me. Both the project manager and myself have been working on this project since day one, so we are incredibly familiar with the details of the project. The company literally could not afford to lose both of us. There would be no one left to support the project from an operational and managerial aspect.   What do I have to gain by doing this? Probably not much besides being honest with my boss and allowing them to avert disaster by concentrating all of this responsibility on me and then have me quit in a year (less of a disaster if the project is complete by then, 50\/50 shot of that happening). It could help them figure out how we are going to push the project along without putting far too much of the responsibility on me, which would probably result in a better finished product at the end of project.  What do I have to lose by doing this? Nothing really. Or nothing that would matter really. They can't fire me today. If they chose to \"punish\" me in other ways, reduced COL adjustment next year or something, the impact would be insignificant. If they hired a replacement and got them trained up and then fired me in 6 months, that wouldn't be catastrophic either. I have a decent amount saved up already in preparation for quitting. I would find some way to make some income that would allow more time to focus on and accelerate my studies.   What do I have to gain by doing nothing? Nothing. I don't want more responsibility and I'm not looking for more exposure to grow my career within the company.   What do I have to lose by doing nothing? Possible impacts to my studies (remains to be seen, but there would definitely be an increased time commitment).   Any advice would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"eqpmvw7","c_root_id_B":"eqout0e","created_at_utc_A":1560201596,"created_at_utc_B":1560192813,"score_A":24,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"> Previously I was already sort of irreplaceable, but if this happens, I will be the most important member of the project team by far    Famous last words from everyone surprised that they got laid off.","human_ref_B":"Staffing and planning isn't your job, it's your boss's.   At most, I would ask when they are planning to replace the project manager and engineer .","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8783.0,"score_ratio":3.4285714286}
{"post_id":"bz0nxk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"Considering telling my boss that I intend to leave the company in a year. Is this a bad idea? I know what the conventional response is: do not tell your company you intend to quit unless you can afford to be fired that same day. I have seen it on this subreddit, \/r\/personalfinance, \/r\/cscareerquestions, etc.   However, I think my situation is unique. I am on a team supporting a project. We previously had 7 people. About 8 months ago, the most senior member on the team, and the only other engineer working with me onsite, retired. We knew this was going to happen, but it was still a huge loss of knowledge. Last week the project manager put in her two weeks' notice for personal reasons. I posted about how I think I am going to have to absorb her responsibility last week. It appears clear now that that is what some of the higher-ups are planning. Previously I was already sort of irreplaceable, but if this happens, I will be the most important member of the project team by far (which is a bad idea in my opinion, beer truck succession planning, etc, in addition to this being well outside of my experience level).   The timing for this expansion is also not great because in two months I start an online master's program in a different field, so I don't really want more responsibility and I definitely don't want more stress. I am a chemical engineer and the master's is in computer science, so not that closely related. To tell my boss that I am starting this program would be tantamount to me telling him I intend to quit at some point in the near future. So there is no telling him one without the other.   Part of me wants to just level with my boss, tell him of my intentions: master's program in August, leave in ~May 2020, support the project until then. There is absolutely 0% chance that I will get fired for telling him this, I can say that for an absolute fact. My company would take at minimum 6 months to get a competent replacement for the previous project manager up to speed, similarly for me. Both the project manager and myself have been working on this project since day one, so we are incredibly familiar with the details of the project. The company literally could not afford to lose both of us. There would be no one left to support the project from an operational and managerial aspect.   What do I have to gain by doing this? Probably not much besides being honest with my boss and allowing them to avert disaster by concentrating all of this responsibility on me and then have me quit in a year (less of a disaster if the project is complete by then, 50\/50 shot of that happening). It could help them figure out how we are going to push the project along without putting far too much of the responsibility on me, which would probably result in a better finished product at the end of project.  What do I have to lose by doing this? Nothing really. Or nothing that would matter really. They can't fire me today. If they chose to \"punish\" me in other ways, reduced COL adjustment next year or something, the impact would be insignificant. If they hired a replacement and got them trained up and then fired me in 6 months, that wouldn't be catastrophic either. I have a decent amount saved up already in preparation for quitting. I would find some way to make some income that would allow more time to focus on and accelerate my studies.   What do I have to gain by doing nothing? Nothing. I don't want more responsibility and I'm not looking for more exposure to grow my career within the company.   What do I have to lose by doing nothing? Possible impacts to my studies (remains to be seen, but there would definitely be an increased time commitment).   Any advice would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"eqpo5b2","c_root_id_B":"eqout0e","created_at_utc_A":1560202027,"created_at_utc_B":1560192813,"score_A":11,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Do not do that","human_ref_B":"Staffing and planning isn't your job, it's your boss's.   At most, I would ask when they are planning to replace the project manager and engineer .","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9214.0,"score_ratio":1.5714285714}
{"post_id":"bz0nxk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"Considering telling my boss that I intend to leave the company in a year. Is this a bad idea? I know what the conventional response is: do not tell your company you intend to quit unless you can afford to be fired that same day. I have seen it on this subreddit, \/r\/personalfinance, \/r\/cscareerquestions, etc.   However, I think my situation is unique. I am on a team supporting a project. We previously had 7 people. About 8 months ago, the most senior member on the team, and the only other engineer working with me onsite, retired. We knew this was going to happen, but it was still a huge loss of knowledge. Last week the project manager put in her two weeks' notice for personal reasons. I posted about how I think I am going to have to absorb her responsibility last week. It appears clear now that that is what some of the higher-ups are planning. Previously I was already sort of irreplaceable, but if this happens, I will be the most important member of the project team by far (which is a bad idea in my opinion, beer truck succession planning, etc, in addition to this being well outside of my experience level).   The timing for this expansion is also not great because in two months I start an online master's program in a different field, so I don't really want more responsibility and I definitely don't want more stress. I am a chemical engineer and the master's is in computer science, so not that closely related. To tell my boss that I am starting this program would be tantamount to me telling him I intend to quit at some point in the near future. So there is no telling him one without the other.   Part of me wants to just level with my boss, tell him of my intentions: master's program in August, leave in ~May 2020, support the project until then. There is absolutely 0% chance that I will get fired for telling him this, I can say that for an absolute fact. My company would take at minimum 6 months to get a competent replacement for the previous project manager up to speed, similarly for me. Both the project manager and myself have been working on this project since day one, so we are incredibly familiar with the details of the project. The company literally could not afford to lose both of us. There would be no one left to support the project from an operational and managerial aspect.   What do I have to gain by doing this? Probably not much besides being honest with my boss and allowing them to avert disaster by concentrating all of this responsibility on me and then have me quit in a year (less of a disaster if the project is complete by then, 50\/50 shot of that happening). It could help them figure out how we are going to push the project along without putting far too much of the responsibility on me, which would probably result in a better finished product at the end of project.  What do I have to lose by doing this? Nothing really. Or nothing that would matter really. They can't fire me today. If they chose to \"punish\" me in other ways, reduced COL adjustment next year or something, the impact would be insignificant. If they hired a replacement and got them trained up and then fired me in 6 months, that wouldn't be catastrophic either. I have a decent amount saved up already in preparation for quitting. I would find some way to make some income that would allow more time to focus on and accelerate my studies.   What do I have to gain by doing nothing? Nothing. I don't want more responsibility and I'm not looking for more exposure to grow my career within the company.   What do I have to lose by doing nothing? Possible impacts to my studies (remains to be seen, but there would definitely be an increased time commitment).   Any advice would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"eqout0e","c_root_id_B":"eqpjgnh","created_at_utc_A":1560192813,"created_at_utc_B":1560200377,"score_A":7,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"Staffing and planning isn't your job, it's your boss's.   At most, I would ask when they are planning to replace the project manager and engineer .","human_ref_B":"No one is irreplaceable from a company perspective. I'm not talking about your manager, or their managers opinion on the matter. The company as a whole never thinks that far ahead. They'll let you go without a second thought. I wouldn't take the chance. You're taking a chance.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7564.0,"score_ratio":1.5714285714}
{"post_id":"bz0nxk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"Considering telling my boss that I intend to leave the company in a year. Is this a bad idea? I know what the conventional response is: do not tell your company you intend to quit unless you can afford to be fired that same day. I have seen it on this subreddit, \/r\/personalfinance, \/r\/cscareerquestions, etc.   However, I think my situation is unique. I am on a team supporting a project. We previously had 7 people. About 8 months ago, the most senior member on the team, and the only other engineer working with me onsite, retired. We knew this was going to happen, but it was still a huge loss of knowledge. Last week the project manager put in her two weeks' notice for personal reasons. I posted about how I think I am going to have to absorb her responsibility last week. It appears clear now that that is what some of the higher-ups are planning. Previously I was already sort of irreplaceable, but if this happens, I will be the most important member of the project team by far (which is a bad idea in my opinion, beer truck succession planning, etc, in addition to this being well outside of my experience level).   The timing for this expansion is also not great because in two months I start an online master's program in a different field, so I don't really want more responsibility and I definitely don't want more stress. I am a chemical engineer and the master's is in computer science, so not that closely related. To tell my boss that I am starting this program would be tantamount to me telling him I intend to quit at some point in the near future. So there is no telling him one without the other.   Part of me wants to just level with my boss, tell him of my intentions: master's program in August, leave in ~May 2020, support the project until then. There is absolutely 0% chance that I will get fired for telling him this, I can say that for an absolute fact. My company would take at minimum 6 months to get a competent replacement for the previous project manager up to speed, similarly for me. Both the project manager and myself have been working on this project since day one, so we are incredibly familiar with the details of the project. The company literally could not afford to lose both of us. There would be no one left to support the project from an operational and managerial aspect.   What do I have to gain by doing this? Probably not much besides being honest with my boss and allowing them to avert disaster by concentrating all of this responsibility on me and then have me quit in a year (less of a disaster if the project is complete by then, 50\/50 shot of that happening). It could help them figure out how we are going to push the project along without putting far too much of the responsibility on me, which would probably result in a better finished product at the end of project.  What do I have to lose by doing this? Nothing really. Or nothing that would matter really. They can't fire me today. If they chose to \"punish\" me in other ways, reduced COL adjustment next year or something, the impact would be insignificant. If they hired a replacement and got them trained up and then fired me in 6 months, that wouldn't be catastrophic either. I have a decent amount saved up already in preparation for quitting. I would find some way to make some income that would allow more time to focus on and accelerate my studies.   What do I have to gain by doing nothing? Nothing. I don't want more responsibility and I'm not looking for more exposure to grow my career within the company.   What do I have to lose by doing nothing? Possible impacts to my studies (remains to be seen, but there would definitely be an increased time commitment).   Any advice would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"eqpypzl","c_root_id_B":"eqout0e","created_at_utc_A":1560207591,"created_at_utc_B":1560192813,"score_A":9,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Absolutely do not tell your boss about your intention to leave.","human_ref_B":"Staffing and planning isn't your job, it's your boss's.   At most, I would ask when they are planning to replace the project manager and engineer .","labels":1,"seconds_difference":14778.0,"score_ratio":1.2857142857}
{"post_id":"bz0nxk","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"Considering telling my boss that I intend to leave the company in a year. Is this a bad idea? I know what the conventional response is: do not tell your company you intend to quit unless you can afford to be fired that same day. I have seen it on this subreddit, \/r\/personalfinance, \/r\/cscareerquestions, etc.   However, I think my situation is unique. I am on a team supporting a project. We previously had 7 people. About 8 months ago, the most senior member on the team, and the only other engineer working with me onsite, retired. We knew this was going to happen, but it was still a huge loss of knowledge. Last week the project manager put in her two weeks' notice for personal reasons. I posted about how I think I am going to have to absorb her responsibility last week. It appears clear now that that is what some of the higher-ups are planning. Previously I was already sort of irreplaceable, but if this happens, I will be the most important member of the project team by far (which is a bad idea in my opinion, beer truck succession planning, etc, in addition to this being well outside of my experience level).   The timing for this expansion is also not great because in two months I start an online master's program in a different field, so I don't really want more responsibility and I definitely don't want more stress. I am a chemical engineer and the master's is in computer science, so not that closely related. To tell my boss that I am starting this program would be tantamount to me telling him I intend to quit at some point in the near future. So there is no telling him one without the other.   Part of me wants to just level with my boss, tell him of my intentions: master's program in August, leave in ~May 2020, support the project until then. There is absolutely 0% chance that I will get fired for telling him this, I can say that for an absolute fact. My company would take at minimum 6 months to get a competent replacement for the previous project manager up to speed, similarly for me. Both the project manager and myself have been working on this project since day one, so we are incredibly familiar with the details of the project. The company literally could not afford to lose both of us. There would be no one left to support the project from an operational and managerial aspect.   What do I have to gain by doing this? Probably not much besides being honest with my boss and allowing them to avert disaster by concentrating all of this responsibility on me and then have me quit in a year (less of a disaster if the project is complete by then, 50\/50 shot of that happening). It could help them figure out how we are going to push the project along without putting far too much of the responsibility on me, which would probably result in a better finished product at the end of project.  What do I have to lose by doing this? Nothing really. Or nothing that would matter really. They can't fire me today. If they chose to \"punish\" me in other ways, reduced COL adjustment next year or something, the impact would be insignificant. If they hired a replacement and got them trained up and then fired me in 6 months, that wouldn't be catastrophic either. I have a decent amount saved up already in preparation for quitting. I would find some way to make some income that would allow more time to focus on and accelerate my studies.   What do I have to gain by doing nothing? Nothing. I don't want more responsibility and I'm not looking for more exposure to grow my career within the company.   What do I have to lose by doing nothing? Possible impacts to my studies (remains to be seen, but there would definitely be an increased time commitment).   Any advice would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"eqpypzl","c_root_id_B":"eqps4p1","created_at_utc_A":1560207591,"created_at_utc_B":1560203552,"score_A":9,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Absolutely do not tell your boss about your intention to leave.","human_ref_B":"I've liked my bosses in the past and have tried to have their backs when I knew I was leaving. Sometimes it was good for everyone, and other times it was not.  So consider taking a middle ground approach. Instead of telling your boss now, defer the news for two months. At that point, you and your boss will both know what your workload looks like. Then consider deferring another two months. Then you'll know if your master's workload puts you on a fools errand or if you actually have no problem doing your day job and night school.  Then you have the data to make the best decision about telling your boss everything or a little bit or nothing at all. Sometimes waiting is the best course of action.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4039.0,"score_ratio":1.8}
{"post_id":"c9guj7","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Graduating in December with an Electrical Engineering degree and need help deciding where I want to live and work. Hi! So I have been thinking a lot about where I want to live and work after graduation. I am very interested in outdoorsy stuff (hiking, fishing, interested in trying hunting) so my ideal location will have great access to all of those. I am also not really a big city person so I would prefer to stay as rural as possible (I know that's kinda hard with an EE degree).   Ive lived in the Northern half of the East coast of the US for my whole life so I'm looking for a change from that. I think anything west of Texas would be really cool and maybe the mountainous areas of Tennessee and North Carolina. I like the western states a lot because of how much public land there is. I just don't really know what the job prospects look like in those areas. I'm not opposed to leaving the country but I'd prefer to stay domestic.   I'm currently interning as a controls engineer in a manufacturing plant and so far I really like this type of work. I worked for a defense contractor last Summer but I found it be very slow. I like what I'm doing now so I think I want to stick with the manufacturing side of things. However, to me, the place I end up living is far more important than the job I have so I'd be willing to do about anything in the realm of EE. I think I have good qualifications and I don't think I will have too much trouble getting a job as long as there are some available.  Any advice or suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!  And sorry for the long post... This has just been something I've had on my mind a lot recently.","c_root_id_A":"esyteru","c_root_id_B":"eszdab7","created_at_utc_A":1562349222,"created_at_utc_B":1562359804,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Give Arizona a glance. If you can handle the summers the other 8 months of the year are beautiful, \"It's a dry heat\". I have had no trouble finding opportunities for EE's here. While still in school I have had 3 internships and one offer for when I am done with school in a year.   &#x200B;  As for manufacturing, there's a few medical device manufacturing facilities within my town and while working in MEP have designed a few of these facilities.   &#x200B;  Cost of living here is absurdly cheap compared to Seattle where I am from. While the argument can be made for utility bills being high, but this is only during the summers. My one warning is to consult  https:\/\/www.ewg.org\/tapwater\/ for what contaminants may come in your water if you have young kids. Never drink tap water, even if it tastes okay.","human_ref_B":"Hi, maybe a huge step, but come to Eindhoven (Netherlands), a relative small city compared to US city's, and some of the worlds most recognized companies (ASML, NXP, VDL have there's HQ there), the companies are jumping for you because the Netherlands are unable to graduate enough people for these companies. Besides that, Google solar team Eindhoven, Robocup Eindhoven, lightyear, TU\/e, read some papers, try to contact recruiters by LinkedIn!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10582.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"4cbky7","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"Why are bicycle chains on the right and motorcycle chains on the left? Has this always been the case?","c_root_id_A":"d1gonx6","c_root_id_B":"d1gucwx","created_at_utc_A":1459192346,"created_at_utc_B":1459199802,"score_A":5,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Not all motorbike chains are on the left.","human_ref_B":"This is pure speculation, but I've seen older bikes with the sprocket on the right. The issue? You have to have the kick start lever on the left, which means either getting off the bike to start it or kicking with your non-dominate leg.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7456.0,"score_ratio":1.4}
{"post_id":"ojirgw","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"Any BMEs that don't have jobs in BME... what do you do now? Hey guys, I graduated with my BS in May and I'm having the hardest time finding a job. My class was the first class to graduate with a BME degree so there's no alumni that I can ask for help. I knew jobs were limited in this field, but I didn't know they were that limited. It seems like the only companies that actually needs BMEs are Medtronic, Abbott, Stryker and start-ups. I really wish I majored in CompSci or Computer Engineering instead. Anyways, if you don't have a job in BME, what do you do now and how'd you get the job?","c_root_id_A":"h52n0pw","c_root_id_B":"h52ad8z","created_at_utc_A":1626205492,"created_at_utc_B":1626199883,"score_A":6,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Have you only been searching for the title Biomedical Engineer? You're likely qualified for any entry level engineering role at the companies you listed: manufacturing engineer, quality engineer, r&d engineer, etc  Also if you're using a job site like Indeed, I'd also suggest looking at each of those respective companies' Careers pages.","human_ref_B":"I'm a SWE at a FAANG.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5609.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"l8n2nh","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.78,"history":"Is \u201cEngineering (Robotics)\u201d too general of a degree? I\u2019ve been in talks with ASU advisors to transfer there for a BSE and am unsure about where to specialize.  My interests are, in summary, robots and rockets. I\u2019m hesitant to pursue aerospace engineering as I\u2019ve read it\u2019s a niche, cyclical market, and I care first and foremost about getting that first job after college.  ASU has an undergraduate program in Robotics Engineering titled Engineering (Robotics). Even though the curriculum itself appears to be catered specifically toward robotics and mechatronics, I\u2019m wary of the title of the degree as I\u2019ve heard terrible things about \u201cgeneral engineering degrees.\u201d  That leaves me at MechE. It\u2019s kind of the perfect safe middle ground between my two interests. The only thing holding me back is motivation: I feel like I\u2019d be more motivated knowing I was working toward, well, robots and rockets.   What are your thoughts on engineering (robotics)?","c_root_id_A":"gle0xjz","c_root_id_B":"gldjl68","created_at_utc_A":1612029578,"created_at_utc_B":1612021467,"score_A":8,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I probably would not hire someone with a \"Engineering (Robotics)\" degree.  Not because there is anything wrong with it per se, but rather, because I don't have a good feel for what that means.  Did the guy study control theory?  Circuit design?  Machine learning?  Structures?  Power trains?  There are so many topics that could fit under \"robotics\" that I'm comfortable saying that no degree could cover them all.  Result?  I have no idea what I'm getting when I see \"robotics\".  Meanwhile, when I see EE, or ME, or CS?  Yeah, I've got a pretty fair idea.  As a result, if I'm looking at giving an interview to one of two candidates; one of whom has a degree that aligns with what I'm looking for and the other who has a degree that leaves me scratching my head?  Yeah, the head scratcher isn't getting the call.  He may actually have been the better candidate, but I'm not a gambler; I take the safer bet.","human_ref_B":"I don\u2019t see robotics listed on the ABET site as an accredited program (unless it\u2019s really just within the general engineering program).","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8111.0,"score_ratio":2.6666666667}
{"post_id":"l8n2nh","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.78,"history":"Is \u201cEngineering (Robotics)\u201d too general of a degree? I\u2019ve been in talks with ASU advisors to transfer there for a BSE and am unsure about where to specialize.  My interests are, in summary, robots and rockets. I\u2019m hesitant to pursue aerospace engineering as I\u2019ve read it\u2019s a niche, cyclical market, and I care first and foremost about getting that first job after college.  ASU has an undergraduate program in Robotics Engineering titled Engineering (Robotics). Even though the curriculum itself appears to be catered specifically toward robotics and mechatronics, I\u2019m wary of the title of the degree as I\u2019ve heard terrible things about \u201cgeneral engineering degrees.\u201d  That leaves me at MechE. It\u2019s kind of the perfect safe middle ground between my two interests. The only thing holding me back is motivation: I feel like I\u2019d be more motivated knowing I was working toward, well, robots and rockets.   What are your thoughts on engineering (robotics)?","c_root_id_A":"gle0xjz","c_root_id_B":"gldjt7a","created_at_utc_A":1612029578,"created_at_utc_B":1612021593,"score_A":8,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I probably would not hire someone with a \"Engineering (Robotics)\" degree.  Not because there is anything wrong with it per se, but rather, because I don't have a good feel for what that means.  Did the guy study control theory?  Circuit design?  Machine learning?  Structures?  Power trains?  There are so many topics that could fit under \"robotics\" that I'm comfortable saying that no degree could cover them all.  Result?  I have no idea what I'm getting when I see \"robotics\".  Meanwhile, when I see EE, or ME, or CS?  Yeah, I've got a pretty fair idea.  As a result, if I'm looking at giving an interview to one of two candidates; one of whom has a degree that aligns with what I'm looking for and the other who has a degree that leaves me scratching my head?  Yeah, the head scratcher isn't getting the call.  He may actually have been the better candidate, but I'm not a gambler; I take the safer bet.","human_ref_B":"It doesn't sound like it is too general.   If anything, it sounds very specialized.  Why are you concerned that this degree program is too general when the curriculum is specific to robotics?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7985.0,"score_ratio":2.6666666667}
{"post_id":"l8n2nh","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.78,"history":"Is \u201cEngineering (Robotics)\u201d too general of a degree? I\u2019ve been in talks with ASU advisors to transfer there for a BSE and am unsure about where to specialize.  My interests are, in summary, robots and rockets. I\u2019m hesitant to pursue aerospace engineering as I\u2019ve read it\u2019s a niche, cyclical market, and I care first and foremost about getting that first job after college.  ASU has an undergraduate program in Robotics Engineering titled Engineering (Robotics). Even though the curriculum itself appears to be catered specifically toward robotics and mechatronics, I\u2019m wary of the title of the degree as I\u2019ve heard terrible things about \u201cgeneral engineering degrees.\u201d  That leaves me at MechE. It\u2019s kind of the perfect safe middle ground between my two interests. The only thing holding me back is motivation: I feel like I\u2019d be more motivated knowing I was working toward, well, robots and rockets.   What are your thoughts on engineering (robotics)?","c_root_id_A":"gle0xjz","c_root_id_B":"gldo9uv","created_at_utc_A":1612029578,"created_at_utc_B":1612023816,"score_A":8,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I probably would not hire someone with a \"Engineering (Robotics)\" degree.  Not because there is anything wrong with it per se, but rather, because I don't have a good feel for what that means.  Did the guy study control theory?  Circuit design?  Machine learning?  Structures?  Power trains?  There are so many topics that could fit under \"robotics\" that I'm comfortable saying that no degree could cover them all.  Result?  I have no idea what I'm getting when I see \"robotics\".  Meanwhile, when I see EE, or ME, or CS?  Yeah, I've got a pretty fair idea.  As a result, if I'm looking at giving an interview to one of two candidates; one of whom has a degree that aligns with what I'm looking for and the other who has a degree that leaves me scratching my head?  Yeah, the head scratcher isn't getting the call.  He may actually have been the better candidate, but I'm not a gambler; I take the safer bet.","human_ref_B":"First, if aerospace really really interests you (even just a little more than robotics), then don't worry too much about how the industry is looking- do what truly interests you. Also, the topics of Robotics and Rockets go hand in hand more than you might think! So its possible you keep them both on your radar to compliment each other as you explore each route deeper in your studies.  But I agree with some of the other posters: go for an extracurricular group (design, preferably) related to Robotics and Rockets (if I can recommend a group to begin looking: AIAA chapters sometimes have rocket design groups, and ASME or IEEE chapters might have robot design groups. See what your college has to offer!). I had a friend who was in both the rocket club and a robotics club, so I'm sure it won't look bad at all if you tried it out too.   For the program, Mechanical Engineering is what we call \"the Swiss army knife\" of engineering, since most programs get into topics\/classes which meet with chemistry, electricity\/circuits, materials science, and statistic analysis (basically every other engineering program). So if you think you can try your hardest even in classes which might not interest you, mechanical engineering is perfect! Later on, there are technical electives, and those will be a lot of fun!   Best of luck!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5762.0,"score_ratio":2.6666666667}
{"post_id":"l8n2nh","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.78,"history":"Is \u201cEngineering (Robotics)\u201d too general of a degree? I\u2019ve been in talks with ASU advisors to transfer there for a BSE and am unsure about where to specialize.  My interests are, in summary, robots and rockets. I\u2019m hesitant to pursue aerospace engineering as I\u2019ve read it\u2019s a niche, cyclical market, and I care first and foremost about getting that first job after college.  ASU has an undergraduate program in Robotics Engineering titled Engineering (Robotics). Even though the curriculum itself appears to be catered specifically toward robotics and mechatronics, I\u2019m wary of the title of the degree as I\u2019ve heard terrible things about \u201cgeneral engineering degrees.\u201d  That leaves me at MechE. It\u2019s kind of the perfect safe middle ground between my two interests. The only thing holding me back is motivation: I feel like I\u2019d be more motivated knowing I was working toward, well, robots and rockets.   What are your thoughts on engineering (robotics)?","c_root_id_A":"gle0xjz","c_root_id_B":"gldn833","created_at_utc_A":1612029578,"created_at_utc_B":1612023317,"score_A":8,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I probably would not hire someone with a \"Engineering (Robotics)\" degree.  Not because there is anything wrong with it per se, but rather, because I don't have a good feel for what that means.  Did the guy study control theory?  Circuit design?  Machine learning?  Structures?  Power trains?  There are so many topics that could fit under \"robotics\" that I'm comfortable saying that no degree could cover them all.  Result?  I have no idea what I'm getting when I see \"robotics\".  Meanwhile, when I see EE, or ME, or CS?  Yeah, I've got a pretty fair idea.  As a result, if I'm looking at giving an interview to one of two candidates; one of whom has a degree that aligns with what I'm looking for and the other who has a degree that leaves me scratching my head?  Yeah, the head scratcher isn't getting the call.  He may actually have been the better candidate, but I'm not a gambler; I take the safer bet.","human_ref_B":"Yes","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6261.0,"score_ratio":4.0}
{"post_id":"l8n2nh","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.78,"history":"Is \u201cEngineering (Robotics)\u201d too general of a degree? I\u2019ve been in talks with ASU advisors to transfer there for a BSE and am unsure about where to specialize.  My interests are, in summary, robots and rockets. I\u2019m hesitant to pursue aerospace engineering as I\u2019ve read it\u2019s a niche, cyclical market, and I care first and foremost about getting that first job after college.  ASU has an undergraduate program in Robotics Engineering titled Engineering (Robotics). Even though the curriculum itself appears to be catered specifically toward robotics and mechatronics, I\u2019m wary of the title of the degree as I\u2019ve heard terrible things about \u201cgeneral engineering degrees.\u201d  That leaves me at MechE. It\u2019s kind of the perfect safe middle ground between my two interests. The only thing holding me back is motivation: I feel like I\u2019d be more motivated knowing I was working toward, well, robots and rockets.   What are your thoughts on engineering (robotics)?","c_root_id_A":"gldytr6","c_root_id_B":"gle0xjz","created_at_utc_A":1612028626,"created_at_utc_B":1612029578,"score_A":2,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"It's both too general and too uncommon. If you want to work in aerospace, go to a job board or the website of a company you want to work for, pick some jobs you like and look at the degrees they ask for.  On a side note, ASU engineering might not be the best\/value choice","human_ref_B":"I probably would not hire someone with a \"Engineering (Robotics)\" degree.  Not because there is anything wrong with it per se, but rather, because I don't have a good feel for what that means.  Did the guy study control theory?  Circuit design?  Machine learning?  Structures?  Power trains?  There are so many topics that could fit under \"robotics\" that I'm comfortable saying that no degree could cover them all.  Result?  I have no idea what I'm getting when I see \"robotics\".  Meanwhile, when I see EE, or ME, or CS?  Yeah, I've got a pretty fair idea.  As a result, if I'm looking at giving an interview to one of two candidates; one of whom has a degree that aligns with what I'm looking for and the other who has a degree that leaves me scratching my head?  Yeah, the head scratcher isn't getting the call.  He may actually have been the better candidate, but I'm not a gambler; I take the safer bet.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":952.0,"score_ratio":4.0}
{"post_id":"l8n2nh","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.78,"history":"Is \u201cEngineering (Robotics)\u201d too general of a degree? I\u2019ve been in talks with ASU advisors to transfer there for a BSE and am unsure about where to specialize.  My interests are, in summary, robots and rockets. I\u2019m hesitant to pursue aerospace engineering as I\u2019ve read it\u2019s a niche, cyclical market, and I care first and foremost about getting that first job after college.  ASU has an undergraduate program in Robotics Engineering titled Engineering (Robotics). Even though the curriculum itself appears to be catered specifically toward robotics and mechatronics, I\u2019m wary of the title of the degree as I\u2019ve heard terrible things about \u201cgeneral engineering degrees.\u201d  That leaves me at MechE. It\u2019s kind of the perfect safe middle ground between my two interests. The only thing holding me back is motivation: I feel like I\u2019d be more motivated knowing I was working toward, well, robots and rockets.   What are your thoughts on engineering (robotics)?","c_root_id_A":"gldo9uv","c_root_id_B":"gldn833","created_at_utc_A":1612023816,"created_at_utc_B":1612023317,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"First, if aerospace really really interests you (even just a little more than robotics), then don't worry too much about how the industry is looking- do what truly interests you. Also, the topics of Robotics and Rockets go hand in hand more than you might think! So its possible you keep them both on your radar to compliment each other as you explore each route deeper in your studies.  But I agree with some of the other posters: go for an extracurricular group (design, preferably) related to Robotics and Rockets (if I can recommend a group to begin looking: AIAA chapters sometimes have rocket design groups, and ASME or IEEE chapters might have robot design groups. See what your college has to offer!). I had a friend who was in both the rocket club and a robotics club, so I'm sure it won't look bad at all if you tried it out too.   For the program, Mechanical Engineering is what we call \"the Swiss army knife\" of engineering, since most programs get into topics\/classes which meet with chemistry, electricity\/circuits, materials science, and statistic analysis (basically every other engineering program). So if you think you can try your hardest even in classes which might not interest you, mechanical engineering is perfect! Later on, there are technical electives, and those will be a lot of fun!   Best of luck!","human_ref_B":"Yes","labels":1,"seconds_difference":499.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"8h9jlu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Fellow Engineers, what is an extra class course\/training that you recommend that may helps the engineering carreer?","c_root_id_A":"dyi9a5l","c_root_id_B":"dyi9vvo","created_at_utc_A":1525555134,"created_at_utc_B":1525555865,"score_A":79,"score_B":181,"human_ref_A":"Writing!","human_ref_B":"Gym class. Learn to relieve stress.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":731.0,"score_ratio":2.2911392405}
{"post_id":"8h9jlu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Fellow Engineers, what is an extra class course\/training that you recommend that may helps the engineering carreer?","c_root_id_A":"dyilj64","c_root_id_B":"dyil0p1","created_at_utc_A":1525569771,"created_at_utc_B":1525569142,"score_A":48,"score_B":39,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019m gonna say a welding class.  Although it probably won\u2019t help your career, because your boss or potential employers won\u2019t value that skill over other more important skills.  But your designs will be better.  You\u2019ll know what actually works, and what is possible.  If you can\u2019t take a welding course, at least find a welder that can quickly answer questions.  You\u2019ll hear things like, \u201cDude, I can\u2019t reach a stick in there.\u201d Or, \u201cDude, that will warp like crazy.\u201d","human_ref_B":"I would say depending of the type of engineering you are doing your major go for a programming course if you can it's always good knowing how to program in any language.  PS: sorry for the crappy English, not my first language","labels":1,"seconds_difference":629.0,"score_ratio":1.2307692308}
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{"post_id":"8h9jlu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Fellow Engineers, what is an extra class course\/training that you recommend that may helps the engineering carreer?","c_root_id_A":"dyijm0q","c_root_id_B":"dyj37hq","created_at_utc_A":1525567423,"created_at_utc_B":1525599219,"score_A":6,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Technical writing and\/or procedure writing (my college had them available as general school of science classes).  Game Theory (typically a math or economics course) can be really interesting as it teaches statistics from a unique perspective!","human_ref_B":"15+ years into my career and I think the two single classes that had the most influence on my career were the creative writing and public speaking classes I took as electives.  Unfortunately, there are many engineers who go through engineering school and don't get specfic training in these areas. Perhaps they have to write a lab report or present their project, but the focus is always on the engineering aspects and never on the quality of the writing or presentation.  All of your engineering knowledge can be worthless if you are unable to convey these ideas in a solid manner to others.  At the very least, not having these abilities will stop you from reaching the upper level positions at your firm.  I wrote an article about this on my LinkedIn profile that goes into this a bit deeper: Why technical knowledge is not the key to your success   Have a look and let me know what you think.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":31796.0,"score_ratio":1.1666666667}
{"post_id":"8h9jlu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Fellow Engineers, what is an extra class course\/training that you recommend that may helps the engineering carreer?","c_root_id_A":"dyikide","c_root_id_B":"dyj37hq","created_at_utc_A":1525568509,"created_at_utc_B":1525599219,"score_A":6,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Writing. Management. Business.","human_ref_B":"15+ years into my career and I think the two single classes that had the most influence on my career were the creative writing and public speaking classes I took as electives.  Unfortunately, there are many engineers who go through engineering school and don't get specfic training in these areas. Perhaps they have to write a lab report or present their project, but the focus is always on the engineering aspects and never on the quality of the writing or presentation.  All of your engineering knowledge can be worthless if you are unable to convey these ideas in a solid manner to others.  At the very least, not having these abilities will stop you from reaching the upper level positions at your firm.  I wrote an article about this on my LinkedIn profile that goes into this a bit deeper: Why technical knowledge is not the key to your success   Have a look and let me know what you think.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":30710.0,"score_ratio":1.1666666667}
{"post_id":"8h9jlu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Fellow Engineers, what is an extra class course\/training that you recommend that may helps the engineering carreer?","c_root_id_A":"dyj37hq","c_root_id_B":"dyinnct","created_at_utc_A":1525599219,"created_at_utc_B":1525572340,"score_A":7,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"15+ years into my career and I think the two single classes that had the most influence on my career were the creative writing and public speaking classes I took as electives.  Unfortunately, there are many engineers who go through engineering school and don't get specfic training in these areas. Perhaps they have to write a lab report or present their project, but the focus is always on the engineering aspects and never on the quality of the writing or presentation.  All of your engineering knowledge can be worthless if you are unable to convey these ideas in a solid manner to others.  At the very least, not having these abilities will stop you from reaching the upper level positions at your firm.  I wrote an article about this on my LinkedIn profile that goes into this a bit deeper: Why technical knowledge is not the key to your success   Have a look and let me know what you think.","human_ref_B":"Not one class, but many. I don't think I've ever regretted taking an out-of-specialization class. Science and engineering fields are all connected, so taking classes outside of your major (but somewhat related to it) can be really helpful down the line.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":26879.0,"score_ratio":1.1666666667}
{"post_id":"8h9jlu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Fellow Engineers, what is an extra class course\/training that you recommend that may helps the engineering carreer?","c_root_id_A":"dyj37hq","c_root_id_B":"dyit3w4","created_at_utc_A":1525599219,"created_at_utc_B":1525579040,"score_A":7,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"15+ years into my career and I think the two single classes that had the most influence on my career were the creative writing and public speaking classes I took as electives.  Unfortunately, there are many engineers who go through engineering school and don't get specfic training in these areas. Perhaps they have to write a lab report or present their project, but the focus is always on the engineering aspects and never on the quality of the writing or presentation.  All of your engineering knowledge can be worthless if you are unable to convey these ideas in a solid manner to others.  At the very least, not having these abilities will stop you from reaching the upper level positions at your firm.  I wrote an article about this on my LinkedIn profile that goes into this a bit deeper: Why technical knowledge is not the key to your success   Have a look and let me know what you think.","human_ref_B":"Technical writing. I thought I was a \"good\" writer, but that class helped me trim the fat I never noticed.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":20179.0,"score_ratio":1.1666666667}
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{"post_id":"8h9jlu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Fellow Engineers, what is an extra class course\/training that you recommend that may helps the engineering carreer?","c_root_id_A":"dyj37hq","c_root_id_B":"dyj0aga","created_at_utc_A":1525599219,"created_at_utc_B":1525591831,"score_A":7,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"15+ years into my career and I think the two single classes that had the most influence on my career were the creative writing and public speaking classes I took as electives.  Unfortunately, there are many engineers who go through engineering school and don't get specfic training in these areas. Perhaps they have to write a lab report or present their project, but the focus is always on the engineering aspects and never on the quality of the writing or presentation.  All of your engineering knowledge can be worthless if you are unable to convey these ideas in a solid manner to others.  At the very least, not having these abilities will stop you from reaching the upper level positions at your firm.  I wrote an article about this on my LinkedIn profile that goes into this a bit deeper: Why technical knowledge is not the key to your success   Have a look and let me know what you think.","human_ref_B":"Said it before, will continue to say it again: typing.  No, not your two finger hunt and peck style, not your old school slider keyboard thumb typing. If you don't take a formal class (it can be online) to the point of never wanting to hear any mention ever again about \"The quick brown fox...\", you will be doomed to think at the speed of your fingers.  \"Yeah, but, but uh, voice to text...\" Yeah, Apple was boasting about that during my second job and first start up 30 years ago. It's a lot better, but it's not the same as getting your thoughts down and visually reinforcing them at the same time. Don't believe me? You touch typists, type something watching the screen, then type a second sentence with your eyes closed. Wait five minutes--which sentence do you remember better? Exactly.  If you don't learn to full on, four fingers each hand and a thumb touch type, you'll be stuck at a productivity level of 40wpm max times all the minutes in your career. You think compound interest is a thing? How 'bout giving your productivity an instant 50% boost *for the entire length of your career*!  And yeah, after that, take some PM classes, even if just a project engineer. Everybody organizes tasks better if they think like a Program Manager.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7388.0,"score_ratio":1.75}
{"post_id":"8h9jlu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Fellow Engineers, what is an extra class course\/training that you recommend that may helps the engineering carreer?","c_root_id_A":"dyj36ud","c_root_id_B":"dyj37hq","created_at_utc_A":1525599169,"created_at_utc_B":1525599219,"score_A":5,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Take an advanced Udemy Course on Microsoft Excel VBA. Here's why, Excel can do many things a lot of the high-end software packages can do as it pertains to computation, statistics, and data analysis. And most companies will have microsoft excel, and not the high-end computational software you're used to. So opposed to convincing your company to pay for the high-end software, you're better off learning how to do those things in excel.  And once people in your company see that you can do those things in excel you'll be heralded as a wizard of excel and master of engineering lol. I put together a steam tables function for my work in excel and trust me, everyone thinks its magic.","human_ref_B":"15+ years into my career and I think the two single classes that had the most influence on my career were the creative writing and public speaking classes I took as electives.  Unfortunately, there are many engineers who go through engineering school and don't get specfic training in these areas. Perhaps they have to write a lab report or present their project, but the focus is always on the engineering aspects and never on the quality of the writing or presentation.  All of your engineering knowledge can be worthless if you are unable to convey these ideas in a solid manner to others.  At the very least, not having these abilities will stop you from reaching the upper level positions at your firm.  I wrote an article about this on my LinkedIn profile that goes into this a bit deeper: Why technical knowledge is not the key to your success   Have a look and let me know what you think.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":50.0,"score_ratio":1.4}
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{"post_id":"8h9jlu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Fellow Engineers, what is an extra class course\/training that you recommend that may helps the engineering carreer?","c_root_id_A":"dyj5z0m","c_root_id_B":"dyix90b","created_at_utc_A":1525606345,"created_at_utc_B":1525585412,"score_A":5,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Take a class in operations research. Many times as an engineer, you will be faced with problems that can be solved in many ways. But not all ways are equal... Using operations research, you can define an objective function, define your decision variables, your constraints, and then optimize to find the best decisions. Management will trust your decisions once they see that they have been made after sound quantitative analysis optimized for profit (or reliability, cost, ...)","human_ref_B":"1) super hardware: learning to machine. you'll design better parts, and being able to rework parts in a pinch.  2) super software: learn to code. make $$$$$$  3) yoga. you'd be surprised how inflexible you are. or lift if you're a chica. you really should be able to put your own bag in the overhead bin","labels":1,"seconds_difference":20933.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"8h9jlu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Fellow Engineers, what is an extra class course\/training that you recommend that may helps the engineering carreer?","c_root_id_A":"dyj5z0m","c_root_id_B":"dyj0aga","created_at_utc_A":1525606345,"created_at_utc_B":1525591831,"score_A":5,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Take a class in operations research. Many times as an engineer, you will be faced with problems that can be solved in many ways. But not all ways are equal... Using operations research, you can define an objective function, define your decision variables, your constraints, and then optimize to find the best decisions. Management will trust your decisions once they see that they have been made after sound quantitative analysis optimized for profit (or reliability, cost, ...)","human_ref_B":"Said it before, will continue to say it again: typing.  No, not your two finger hunt and peck style, not your old school slider keyboard thumb typing. If you don't take a formal class (it can be online) to the point of never wanting to hear any mention ever again about \"The quick brown fox...\", you will be doomed to think at the speed of your fingers.  \"Yeah, but, but uh, voice to text...\" Yeah, Apple was boasting about that during my second job and first start up 30 years ago. It's a lot better, but it's not the same as getting your thoughts down and visually reinforcing them at the same time. Don't believe me? You touch typists, type something watching the screen, then type a second sentence with your eyes closed. Wait five minutes--which sentence do you remember better? Exactly.  If you don't learn to full on, four fingers each hand and a thumb touch type, you'll be stuck at a productivity level of 40wpm max times all the minutes in your career. You think compound interest is a thing? How 'bout giving your productivity an instant 50% boost *for the entire length of your career*!  And yeah, after that, take some PM classes, even if just a project engineer. Everybody organizes tasks better if they think like a Program Manager.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":14514.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
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{"post_id":"8h9jlu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Fellow Engineers, what is an extra class course\/training that you recommend that may helps the engineering carreer?","c_root_id_A":"dyit3w4","c_root_id_B":"dyiqqzq","created_at_utc_A":1525579040,"created_at_utc_B":1525576204,"score_A":6,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Technical writing. I thought I was a \"good\" writer, but that class helped me trim the fat I never noticed.","human_ref_B":"Higher level programming courses than the ones they give you as a freshman. Code optimization or machine learning are good options.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2836.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
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{"post_id":"8h9jlu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Fellow Engineers, what is an extra class course\/training that you recommend that may helps the engineering carreer?","c_root_id_A":"dyj36ud","c_root_id_B":"dyix90b","created_at_utc_A":1525599169,"created_at_utc_B":1525585412,"score_A":5,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Take an advanced Udemy Course on Microsoft Excel VBA. Here's why, Excel can do many things a lot of the high-end software packages can do as it pertains to computation, statistics, and data analysis. And most companies will have microsoft excel, and not the high-end computational software you're used to. So opposed to convincing your company to pay for the high-end software, you're better off learning how to do those things in excel.  And once people in your company see that you can do those things in excel you'll be heralded as a wizard of excel and master of engineering lol. I put together a steam tables function for my work in excel and trust me, everyone thinks its magic.","human_ref_B":"1) super hardware: learning to machine. you'll design better parts, and being able to rework parts in a pinch.  2) super software: learn to code. make $$$$$$  3) yoga. you'd be surprised how inflexible you are. or lift if you're a chica. you really should be able to put your own bag in the overhead bin","labels":1,"seconds_difference":13757.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"8h9jlu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Fellow Engineers, what is an extra class course\/training that you recommend that may helps the engineering carreer?","c_root_id_A":"dyix90b","c_root_id_B":"dyiqqzq","created_at_utc_A":1525585412,"created_at_utc_B":1525576204,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"1) super hardware: learning to machine. you'll design better parts, and being able to rework parts in a pinch.  2) super software: learn to code. make $$$$$$  3) yoga. you'd be surprised how inflexible you are. or lift if you're a chica. you really should be able to put your own bag in the overhead bin","human_ref_B":"Higher level programming courses than the ones they give you as a freshman. Code optimization or machine learning are good options.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9208.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"8h9jlu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Fellow Engineers, what is an extra class course\/training that you recommend that may helps the engineering carreer?","c_root_id_A":"dyj0aga","c_root_id_B":"dyj36ud","created_at_utc_A":1525591831,"created_at_utc_B":1525599169,"score_A":4,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Said it before, will continue to say it again: typing.  No, not your two finger hunt and peck style, not your old school slider keyboard thumb typing. If you don't take a formal class (it can be online) to the point of never wanting to hear any mention ever again about \"The quick brown fox...\", you will be doomed to think at the speed of your fingers.  \"Yeah, but, but uh, voice to text...\" Yeah, Apple was boasting about that during my second job and first start up 30 years ago. It's a lot better, but it's not the same as getting your thoughts down and visually reinforcing them at the same time. Don't believe me? You touch typists, type something watching the screen, then type a second sentence with your eyes closed. Wait five minutes--which sentence do you remember better? Exactly.  If you don't learn to full on, four fingers each hand and a thumb touch type, you'll be stuck at a productivity level of 40wpm max times all the minutes in your career. You think compound interest is a thing? How 'bout giving your productivity an instant 50% boost *for the entire length of your career*!  And yeah, after that, take some PM classes, even if just a project engineer. Everybody organizes tasks better if they think like a Program Manager.","human_ref_B":"Take an advanced Udemy Course on Microsoft Excel VBA. Here's why, Excel can do many things a lot of the high-end software packages can do as it pertains to computation, statistics, and data analysis. And most companies will have microsoft excel, and not the high-end computational software you're used to. So opposed to convincing your company to pay for the high-end software, you're better off learning how to do those things in excel.  And once people in your company see that you can do those things in excel you'll be heralded as a wizard of excel and master of engineering lol. I put together a steam tables function for my work in excel and trust me, everyone thinks its magic.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7338.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"8h9jlu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Fellow Engineers, what is an extra class course\/training that you recommend that may helps the engineering carreer?","c_root_id_A":"dyj0aga","c_root_id_B":"dyiqqzq","created_at_utc_A":1525591831,"created_at_utc_B":1525576204,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Said it before, will continue to say it again: typing.  No, not your two finger hunt and peck style, not your old school slider keyboard thumb typing. If you don't take a formal class (it can be online) to the point of never wanting to hear any mention ever again about \"The quick brown fox...\", you will be doomed to think at the speed of your fingers.  \"Yeah, but, but uh, voice to text...\" Yeah, Apple was boasting about that during my second job and first start up 30 years ago. It's a lot better, but it's not the same as getting your thoughts down and visually reinforcing them at the same time. Don't believe me? You touch typists, type something watching the screen, then type a second sentence with your eyes closed. Wait five minutes--which sentence do you remember better? Exactly.  If you don't learn to full on, four fingers each hand and a thumb touch type, you'll be stuck at a productivity level of 40wpm max times all the minutes in your career. You think compound interest is a thing? How 'bout giving your productivity an instant 50% boost *for the entire length of your career*!  And yeah, after that, take some PM classes, even if just a project engineer. Everybody organizes tasks better if they think like a Program Manager.","human_ref_B":"Higher level programming courses than the ones they give you as a freshman. Code optimization or machine learning are good options.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":15627.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"8h9jlu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Fellow Engineers, what is an extra class course\/training that you recommend that may helps the engineering carreer?","c_root_id_A":"dyj36ud","c_root_id_B":"dyiqqzq","created_at_utc_A":1525599169,"created_at_utc_B":1525576204,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Take an advanced Udemy Course on Microsoft Excel VBA. Here's why, Excel can do many things a lot of the high-end software packages can do as it pertains to computation, statistics, and data analysis. And most companies will have microsoft excel, and not the high-end computational software you're used to. So opposed to convincing your company to pay for the high-end software, you're better off learning how to do those things in excel.  And once people in your company see that you can do those things in excel you'll be heralded as a wizard of excel and master of engineering lol. I put together a steam tables function for my work in excel and trust me, everyone thinks its magic.","human_ref_B":"Higher level programming courses than the ones they give you as a freshman. Code optimization or machine learning are good options.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":22965.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"8h9jlu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Fellow Engineers, what is an extra class course\/training that you recommend that may helps the engineering carreer?","c_root_id_A":"dyj71m3","c_root_id_B":"dyiqqzq","created_at_utc_A":1525608662,"created_at_utc_B":1525576204,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Debate, speech, and technical writing.   If you can\u2019t communicate your ideas then they don\u2019t matter.","human_ref_B":"Higher level programming courses than the ones they give you as a freshman. Code optimization or machine learning are good options.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":32458.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"v978ho","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":1.0,"history":"Failure Friday (10 Jun 2022): Break something at the office this week? We want to hear about it! # Intro  Today's thread is for all the recent explosions, broken parts, vendor headaches, and safety violations at your workplace. If nothing exciting happened at your workplace this week, we also take stories about terrible management and office pranks on the interns.  > [Archive of past threads]  # Good stories from past threads  Liked a story from an old thread? **Message us** and we'll add it here.  1. The one that started it: *\"That day when your boss almost dies\"*  1. \/u\/DoctorWhoToYou talks about his time as the Maintenance Manager at a Tier 1 automotive supplier in the mid-90s  1. \/u\/Hiddencamper talks about that one time when the Emergency Trip System didn't work right at a BWR nuclear power plant  # Guidelines  * **Please share without revealing your identity or workplace, or violating your security clearance!** We assume no responsibility for anything that you make public on the internet.  * Photos are welcome, but must include a story to go with it.","c_root_id_A":"ibvsax3","c_root_id_B":"ibv7zxm","created_at_utc_A":1654884202,"created_at_utc_B":1654875678,"score_A":13,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"TLDR: our dept purchased ~$1 mil worth of equipment for a customer's project (with customer funds) that couldn't integrate with a particular vendors. And no refunds :)   Vendor that sold us the equipment had advertised a feature we needed to integrate but turns out they only tested it with a 2-3 other vendors in the market. We purchased it and after a few months of headaches trying to integrate, seller confessed to us that they didn't test with THAT vendor, which we needed. It was baffling because we needed to integrate with one of the market leaders, not a no name startup.  We basically had to engineer the interface between vendors and provide the vender we bought from the solution so they could officially integrate it into their product line. We did free engineering for them and blew through our project budget.  It was cheaper and quicker to just engineer the interface and deliver to our customer to not soil our reputation. But now our lawyers are involved and it's way above my pay grade  to know what is going on.","human_ref_B":"Not major but our intern thought he had to take the cap off the water jug before placing it in the cooler. Resulted in a gallon or 2 of water on the floor, and a broken cooler as he frantically shoved the jug into the cooler.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8524.0,"score_ratio":1.4444444444}
{"post_id":"v978ho","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":1.0,"history":"Failure Friday (10 Jun 2022): Break something at the office this week? We want to hear about it! # Intro  Today's thread is for all the recent explosions, broken parts, vendor headaches, and safety violations at your workplace. If nothing exciting happened at your workplace this week, we also take stories about terrible management and office pranks on the interns.  > [Archive of past threads]  # Good stories from past threads  Liked a story from an old thread? **Message us** and we'll add it here.  1. The one that started it: *\"That day when your boss almost dies\"*  1. \/u\/DoctorWhoToYou talks about his time as the Maintenance Manager at a Tier 1 automotive supplier in the mid-90s  1. \/u\/Hiddencamper talks about that one time when the Emergency Trip System didn't work right at a BWR nuclear power plant  # Guidelines  * **Please share without revealing your identity or workplace, or violating your security clearance!** We assume no responsibility for anything that you make public on the internet.  * Photos are welcome, but must include a story to go with it.","c_root_id_A":"ibvv9rv","c_root_id_B":"ibv7zxm","created_at_utc_A":1654885501,"created_at_utc_B":1654875678,"score_A":11,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"I work at a company that require a lot of sensors that need to work in all weather, but they are expensive... The big chief found a chinese knock-off that was like 4 times cheaper and could do the same things.... On paper... So he bought a lot of those sensors and started to demand to integrate them. Never tested them, because we never tested before.... So in the field with companies that are worth billions and have contracts measured in armlenghts. Stillstands caused by our faulty material can cause millions in claims and damages.... You can see this coming from a mile away.... Everything went well on sunny, cloudy and\/or light rain-days... Then there were days without that weather... The whole building went insane, a lot of phone-calls to support, manangement and to the big boss. Engineers running around, long meetings, software-guys looking for solutions. Some days it was quite, other days, there were dozens of angry clients... You could tell winter was coming... So the 'cheaper' sensors caused the company to lose millions, a lot of new contracts and a lot of good people to leave. In the end they went back to the old supplier....","human_ref_B":"Not major but our intern thought he had to take the cap off the water jug before placing it in the cooler. Resulted in a gallon or 2 of water on the floor, and a broken cooler as he frantically shoved the jug into the cooler.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9823.0,"score_ratio":1.2222222222}
{"post_id":"76jkjw","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"Do you feel that the skilled trades as a career path is undervalued\/underappreciated concerning today youth? Hey guys, as an engineer that has worked at a variety of manufacturing companies, I have noticed how great of a life\/satisfying it can be to work as a skilled tradesman. However, I can't help but to see a stigma attached to it when concerning the youth of today and their parents.  In this day in age, I find that more and more kids that are interested in technical work are pushed to go into university for any STEM field while the \"dummies\" are left to go to college and become tradesmen.  Just talking to peers, I find that the overall perception of tradesmen are the electricians that hook up your electricity to your house, plumbers, HVAC guys and mechanics that work at small shops. \"Joe\" jobs.  I find it frustrating that they don't understand that many of these tradesmen are extremely technically competent and can work on amazing projects like plane, ship and mining\/manufacturing tooling construction for the top tier companies in the world (boeing, apple, catapiller). Most I have seen get paid more than engineers (some upwards of 200k) and can transfer into management as well.  I have worked before in Germany (I'm Canadian) and have noticed that the tradesmen are much more appreciated there than in north america.  This frustrates me because there is a huge demand for tradesmen while I am starting to see more and more young engineering graduates struggle to get jobs. I feel that the current schooling system puts a huge negative bias towards the trades.  Thoughts?","c_root_id_A":"doefqrq","c_root_id_B":"doehtde","created_at_utc_A":1508081994,"created_at_utc_B":1508084683,"score_A":8,"score_B":73,"human_ref_A":"Welders and electricians and the like are in huge demand across the country. There's a need, but I think wages haven't risen enough for people to take notice.","human_ref_B":"It's all about the money.  While some skilled trades in some areas and some levels of experience can make more than early career engineers, on the whole engineers make more and have better prospects for top end pay.  And typically the engineering work environment and benefits are better.    Wherever an employer complains they can't find skilled trades to hire, I see an employer who doesn't want to raise wages.   Kids looking at career prospects can tell which way the wind is blowing. You can tell them all about how cool it is to be a carpenter,  but all it takes is seeing a framing crew out in the snow in November working 10 hour days and then being laid off for the winter to change minds.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2689.0,"score_ratio":9.125}
{"post_id":"76jkjw","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"Do you feel that the skilled trades as a career path is undervalued\/underappreciated concerning today youth? Hey guys, as an engineer that has worked at a variety of manufacturing companies, I have noticed how great of a life\/satisfying it can be to work as a skilled tradesman. However, I can't help but to see a stigma attached to it when concerning the youth of today and their parents.  In this day in age, I find that more and more kids that are interested in technical work are pushed to go into university for any STEM field while the \"dummies\" are left to go to college and become tradesmen.  Just talking to peers, I find that the overall perception of tradesmen are the electricians that hook up your electricity to your house, plumbers, HVAC guys and mechanics that work at small shops. \"Joe\" jobs.  I find it frustrating that they don't understand that many of these tradesmen are extremely technically competent and can work on amazing projects like plane, ship and mining\/manufacturing tooling construction for the top tier companies in the world (boeing, apple, catapiller). Most I have seen get paid more than engineers (some upwards of 200k) and can transfer into management as well.  I have worked before in Germany (I'm Canadian) and have noticed that the tradesmen are much more appreciated there than in north america.  This frustrates me because there is a huge demand for tradesmen while I am starting to see more and more young engineering graduates struggle to get jobs. I feel that the current schooling system puts a huge negative bias towards the trades.  Thoughts?","c_root_id_A":"doehtde","c_root_id_B":"doehjld","created_at_utc_A":1508084683,"created_at_utc_B":1508084330,"score_A":73,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"It's all about the money.  While some skilled trades in some areas and some levels of experience can make more than early career engineers, on the whole engineers make more and have better prospects for top end pay.  And typically the engineering work environment and benefits are better.    Wherever an employer complains they can't find skilled trades to hire, I see an employer who doesn't want to raise wages.   Kids looking at career prospects can tell which way the wind is blowing. You can tell them all about how cool it is to be a carpenter,  but all it takes is seeing a framing crew out in the snow in November working 10 hour days and then being laid off for the winter to change minds.","human_ref_B":"yes, i think technicians are in shorter supply than engineers.   all the kids want to be like mark zuckerberg and co. and make $150k a year out of school with a 4 year degree though, and i dont think technicians will ever reach that yearly earning","labels":1,"seconds_difference":353.0,"score_ratio":24.3333333333}
{"post_id":"76jkjw","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"Do you feel that the skilled trades as a career path is undervalued\/underappreciated concerning today youth? Hey guys, as an engineer that has worked at a variety of manufacturing companies, I have noticed how great of a life\/satisfying it can be to work as a skilled tradesman. However, I can't help but to see a stigma attached to it when concerning the youth of today and their parents.  In this day in age, I find that more and more kids that are interested in technical work are pushed to go into university for any STEM field while the \"dummies\" are left to go to college and become tradesmen.  Just talking to peers, I find that the overall perception of tradesmen are the electricians that hook up your electricity to your house, plumbers, HVAC guys and mechanics that work at small shops. \"Joe\" jobs.  I find it frustrating that they don't understand that many of these tradesmen are extremely technically competent and can work on amazing projects like plane, ship and mining\/manufacturing tooling construction for the top tier companies in the world (boeing, apple, catapiller). Most I have seen get paid more than engineers (some upwards of 200k) and can transfer into management as well.  I have worked before in Germany (I'm Canadian) and have noticed that the tradesmen are much more appreciated there than in north america.  This frustrates me because there is a huge demand for tradesmen while I am starting to see more and more young engineering graduates struggle to get jobs. I feel that the current schooling system puts a huge negative bias towards the trades.  Thoughts?","c_root_id_A":"doehtde","c_root_id_B":"doefwrh","created_at_utc_A":1508084683,"created_at_utc_B":1508082213,"score_A":73,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"It's all about the money.  While some skilled trades in some areas and some levels of experience can make more than early career engineers, on the whole engineers make more and have better prospects for top end pay.  And typically the engineering work environment and benefits are better.    Wherever an employer complains they can't find skilled trades to hire, I see an employer who doesn't want to raise wages.   Kids looking at career prospects can tell which way the wind is blowing. You can tell them all about how cool it is to be a carpenter,  but all it takes is seeing a framing crew out in the snow in November working 10 hour days and then being laid off for the winter to change minds.","human_ref_B":"100% agree.  Anybody from my generation (45, also Canadian) with any technical aptitude was shuffled off to engineering school.  I might have been much happier as an electrician or auto mechanic... without the student loan debts!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2470.0,"score_ratio":24.3333333333}
{"post_id":"76jkjw","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"Do you feel that the skilled trades as a career path is undervalued\/underappreciated concerning today youth? Hey guys, as an engineer that has worked at a variety of manufacturing companies, I have noticed how great of a life\/satisfying it can be to work as a skilled tradesman. However, I can't help but to see a stigma attached to it when concerning the youth of today and their parents.  In this day in age, I find that more and more kids that are interested in technical work are pushed to go into university for any STEM field while the \"dummies\" are left to go to college and become tradesmen.  Just talking to peers, I find that the overall perception of tradesmen are the electricians that hook up your electricity to your house, plumbers, HVAC guys and mechanics that work at small shops. \"Joe\" jobs.  I find it frustrating that they don't understand that many of these tradesmen are extremely technically competent and can work on amazing projects like plane, ship and mining\/manufacturing tooling construction for the top tier companies in the world (boeing, apple, catapiller). Most I have seen get paid more than engineers (some upwards of 200k) and can transfer into management as well.  I have worked before in Germany (I'm Canadian) and have noticed that the tradesmen are much more appreciated there than in north america.  This frustrates me because there is a huge demand for tradesmen while I am starting to see more and more young engineering graduates struggle to get jobs. I feel that the current schooling system puts a huge negative bias towards the trades.  Thoughts?","c_root_id_A":"doehtde","c_root_id_B":"doefs1e","created_at_utc_A":1508084683,"created_at_utc_B":1508082039,"score_A":73,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"It's all about the money.  While some skilled trades in some areas and some levels of experience can make more than early career engineers, on the whole engineers make more and have better prospects for top end pay.  And typically the engineering work environment and benefits are better.    Wherever an employer complains they can't find skilled trades to hire, I see an employer who doesn't want to raise wages.   Kids looking at career prospects can tell which way the wind is blowing. You can tell them all about how cool it is to be a carpenter,  but all it takes is seeing a framing crew out in the snow in November working 10 hour days and then being laid off for the winter to change minds.","human_ref_B":"I don't. For example, the electricans are the EE's best guides in the power industry due to codes, rules of thumbs, etc. My opinion is that as long as a skilled trade has value now and in the future, and you keep on learning, you will be golden.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2644.0,"score_ratio":36.5}
{"post_id":"76jkjw","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"Do you feel that the skilled trades as a career path is undervalued\/underappreciated concerning today youth? Hey guys, as an engineer that has worked at a variety of manufacturing companies, I have noticed how great of a life\/satisfying it can be to work as a skilled tradesman. However, I can't help but to see a stigma attached to it when concerning the youth of today and their parents.  In this day in age, I find that more and more kids that are interested in technical work are pushed to go into university for any STEM field while the \"dummies\" are left to go to college and become tradesmen.  Just talking to peers, I find that the overall perception of tradesmen are the electricians that hook up your electricity to your house, plumbers, HVAC guys and mechanics that work at small shops. \"Joe\" jobs.  I find it frustrating that they don't understand that many of these tradesmen are extremely technically competent and can work on amazing projects like plane, ship and mining\/manufacturing tooling construction for the top tier companies in the world (boeing, apple, catapiller). Most I have seen get paid more than engineers (some upwards of 200k) and can transfer into management as well.  I have worked before in Germany (I'm Canadian) and have noticed that the tradesmen are much more appreciated there than in north america.  This frustrates me because there is a huge demand for tradesmen while I am starting to see more and more young engineering graduates struggle to get jobs. I feel that the current schooling system puts a huge negative bias towards the trades.  Thoughts?","c_root_id_A":"doeq4ie","c_root_id_B":"doeoz08","created_at_utc_A":1508093781,"created_at_utc_B":1508092557,"score_A":16,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"Skilled tradesmen make decent livings *but* generally:  1. They are hard on your body  2. The pay ceiling is lower than engineering (unless you own your own business)  Usually the people who are gung-ho about trades, aren't tradesmen. It's an important field and a good option for people who aren't made for white-collar jobs, but if you could be equally good at a trade or at engineering, it's a no-brainer.","human_ref_B":"I would love to see some actual references for these salaries you're talking about. 80k starting in  skilled trade? Link please.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1224.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"76jkjw","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"Do you feel that the skilled trades as a career path is undervalued\/underappreciated concerning today youth? Hey guys, as an engineer that has worked at a variety of manufacturing companies, I have noticed how great of a life\/satisfying it can be to work as a skilled tradesman. However, I can't help but to see a stigma attached to it when concerning the youth of today and their parents.  In this day in age, I find that more and more kids that are interested in technical work are pushed to go into university for any STEM field while the \"dummies\" are left to go to college and become tradesmen.  Just talking to peers, I find that the overall perception of tradesmen are the electricians that hook up your electricity to your house, plumbers, HVAC guys and mechanics that work at small shops. \"Joe\" jobs.  I find it frustrating that they don't understand that many of these tradesmen are extremely technically competent and can work on amazing projects like plane, ship and mining\/manufacturing tooling construction for the top tier companies in the world (boeing, apple, catapiller). Most I have seen get paid more than engineers (some upwards of 200k) and can transfer into management as well.  I have worked before in Germany (I'm Canadian) and have noticed that the tradesmen are much more appreciated there than in north america.  This frustrates me because there is a huge demand for tradesmen while I am starting to see more and more young engineering graduates struggle to get jobs. I feel that the current schooling system puts a huge negative bias towards the trades.  Thoughts?","c_root_id_A":"doefqrq","c_root_id_B":"doeq4ie","created_at_utc_A":1508081994,"created_at_utc_B":1508093781,"score_A":8,"score_B":16,"human_ref_A":"Welders and electricians and the like are in huge demand across the country. There's a need, but I think wages haven't risen enough for people to take notice.","human_ref_B":"Skilled tradesmen make decent livings *but* generally:  1. They are hard on your body  2. The pay ceiling is lower than engineering (unless you own your own business)  Usually the people who are gung-ho about trades, aren't tradesmen. It's an important field and a good option for people who aren't made for white-collar jobs, but if you could be equally good at a trade or at engineering, it's a no-brainer.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11787.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"76jkjw","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"Do you feel that the skilled trades as a career path is undervalued\/underappreciated concerning today youth? Hey guys, as an engineer that has worked at a variety of manufacturing companies, I have noticed how great of a life\/satisfying it can be to work as a skilled tradesman. However, I can't help but to see a stigma attached to it when concerning the youth of today and their parents.  In this day in age, I find that more and more kids that are interested in technical work are pushed to go into university for any STEM field while the \"dummies\" are left to go to college and become tradesmen.  Just talking to peers, I find that the overall perception of tradesmen are the electricians that hook up your electricity to your house, plumbers, HVAC guys and mechanics that work at small shops. \"Joe\" jobs.  I find it frustrating that they don't understand that many of these tradesmen are extremely technically competent and can work on amazing projects like plane, ship and mining\/manufacturing tooling construction for the top tier companies in the world (boeing, apple, catapiller). Most I have seen get paid more than engineers (some upwards of 200k) and can transfer into management as well.  I have worked before in Germany (I'm Canadian) and have noticed that the tradesmen are much more appreciated there than in north america.  This frustrates me because there is a huge demand for tradesmen while I am starting to see more and more young engineering graduates struggle to get jobs. I feel that the current schooling system puts a huge negative bias towards the trades.  Thoughts?","c_root_id_A":"doehjld","c_root_id_B":"doeq4ie","created_at_utc_A":1508084330,"created_at_utc_B":1508093781,"score_A":3,"score_B":16,"human_ref_A":"yes, i think technicians are in shorter supply than engineers.   all the kids want to be like mark zuckerberg and co. and make $150k a year out of school with a 4 year degree though, and i dont think technicians will ever reach that yearly earning","human_ref_B":"Skilled tradesmen make decent livings *but* generally:  1. They are hard on your body  2. The pay ceiling is lower than engineering (unless you own your own business)  Usually the people who are gung-ho about trades, aren't tradesmen. It's an important field and a good option for people who aren't made for white-collar jobs, but if you could be equally good at a trade or at engineering, it's a no-brainer.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9451.0,"score_ratio":5.3333333333}
{"post_id":"76jkjw","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"Do you feel that the skilled trades as a career path is undervalued\/underappreciated concerning today youth? Hey guys, as an engineer that has worked at a variety of manufacturing companies, I have noticed how great of a life\/satisfying it can be to work as a skilled tradesman. However, I can't help but to see a stigma attached to it when concerning the youth of today and their parents.  In this day in age, I find that more and more kids that are interested in technical work are pushed to go into university for any STEM field while the \"dummies\" are left to go to college and become tradesmen.  Just talking to peers, I find that the overall perception of tradesmen are the electricians that hook up your electricity to your house, plumbers, HVAC guys and mechanics that work at small shops. \"Joe\" jobs.  I find it frustrating that they don't understand that many of these tradesmen are extremely technically competent and can work on amazing projects like plane, ship and mining\/manufacturing tooling construction for the top tier companies in the world (boeing, apple, catapiller). Most I have seen get paid more than engineers (some upwards of 200k) and can transfer into management as well.  I have worked before in Germany (I'm Canadian) and have noticed that the tradesmen are much more appreciated there than in north america.  This frustrates me because there is a huge demand for tradesmen while I am starting to see more and more young engineering graduates struggle to get jobs. I feel that the current schooling system puts a huge negative bias towards the trades.  Thoughts?","c_root_id_A":"doeq4ie","c_root_id_B":"doefwrh","created_at_utc_A":1508093781,"created_at_utc_B":1508082213,"score_A":16,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Skilled tradesmen make decent livings *but* generally:  1. They are hard on your body  2. The pay ceiling is lower than engineering (unless you own your own business)  Usually the people who are gung-ho about trades, aren't tradesmen. It's an important field and a good option for people who aren't made for white-collar jobs, but if you could be equally good at a trade or at engineering, it's a no-brainer.","human_ref_B":"100% agree.  Anybody from my generation (45, also Canadian) with any technical aptitude was shuffled off to engineering school.  I might have been much happier as an electrician or auto mechanic... without the student loan debts!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":11568.0,"score_ratio":5.3333333333}
{"post_id":"76jkjw","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"Do you feel that the skilled trades as a career path is undervalued\/underappreciated concerning today youth? Hey guys, as an engineer that has worked at a variety of manufacturing companies, I have noticed how great of a life\/satisfying it can be to work as a skilled tradesman. However, I can't help but to see a stigma attached to it when concerning the youth of today and their parents.  In this day in age, I find that more and more kids that are interested in technical work are pushed to go into university for any STEM field while the \"dummies\" are left to go to college and become tradesmen.  Just talking to peers, I find that the overall perception of tradesmen are the electricians that hook up your electricity to your house, plumbers, HVAC guys and mechanics that work at small shops. \"Joe\" jobs.  I find it frustrating that they don't understand that many of these tradesmen are extremely technically competent and can work on amazing projects like plane, ship and mining\/manufacturing tooling construction for the top tier companies in the world (boeing, apple, catapiller). Most I have seen get paid more than engineers (some upwards of 200k) and can transfer into management as well.  I have worked before in Germany (I'm Canadian) and have noticed that the tradesmen are much more appreciated there than in north america.  This frustrates me because there is a huge demand for tradesmen while I am starting to see more and more young engineering graduates struggle to get jobs. I feel that the current schooling system puts a huge negative bias towards the trades.  Thoughts?","c_root_id_A":"doefs1e","c_root_id_B":"doeq4ie","created_at_utc_A":1508082039,"created_at_utc_B":1508093781,"score_A":2,"score_B":16,"human_ref_A":"I don't. For example, the electricans are the EE's best guides in the power industry due to codes, rules of thumbs, etc. My opinion is that as long as a skilled trade has value now and in the future, and you keep on learning, you will be golden.","human_ref_B":"Skilled tradesmen make decent livings *but* generally:  1. They are hard on your body  2. The pay ceiling is lower than engineering (unless you own your own business)  Usually the people who are gung-ho about trades, aren't tradesmen. It's an important field and a good option for people who aren't made for white-collar jobs, but if you could be equally good at a trade or at engineering, it's a no-brainer.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11742.0,"score_ratio":8.0}
{"post_id":"76jkjw","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"Do you feel that the skilled trades as a career path is undervalued\/underappreciated concerning today youth? Hey guys, as an engineer that has worked at a variety of manufacturing companies, I have noticed how great of a life\/satisfying it can be to work as a skilled tradesman. However, I can't help but to see a stigma attached to it when concerning the youth of today and their parents.  In this day in age, I find that more and more kids that are interested in technical work are pushed to go into university for any STEM field while the \"dummies\" are left to go to college and become tradesmen.  Just talking to peers, I find that the overall perception of tradesmen are the electricians that hook up your electricity to your house, plumbers, HVAC guys and mechanics that work at small shops. \"Joe\" jobs.  I find it frustrating that they don't understand that many of these tradesmen are extremely technically competent and can work on amazing projects like plane, ship and mining\/manufacturing tooling construction for the top tier companies in the world (boeing, apple, catapiller). Most I have seen get paid more than engineers (some upwards of 200k) and can transfer into management as well.  I have worked before in Germany (I'm Canadian) and have noticed that the tradesmen are much more appreciated there than in north america.  This frustrates me because there is a huge demand for tradesmen while I am starting to see more and more young engineering graduates struggle to get jobs. I feel that the current schooling system puts a huge negative bias towards the trades.  Thoughts?","c_root_id_A":"doeoz08","c_root_id_B":"doehjld","created_at_utc_A":1508092557,"created_at_utc_B":1508084330,"score_A":8,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I would love to see some actual references for these salaries you're talking about. 80k starting in  skilled trade? Link please.","human_ref_B":"yes, i think technicians are in shorter supply than engineers.   all the kids want to be like mark zuckerberg and co. and make $150k a year out of school with a 4 year degree though, and i dont think technicians will ever reach that yearly earning","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8227.0,"score_ratio":2.6666666667}
{"post_id":"76jkjw","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"Do you feel that the skilled trades as a career path is undervalued\/underappreciated concerning today youth? Hey guys, as an engineer that has worked at a variety of manufacturing companies, I have noticed how great of a life\/satisfying it can be to work as a skilled tradesman. However, I can't help but to see a stigma attached to it when concerning the youth of today and their parents.  In this day in age, I find that more and more kids that are interested in technical work are pushed to go into university for any STEM field while the \"dummies\" are left to go to college and become tradesmen.  Just talking to peers, I find that the overall perception of tradesmen are the electricians that hook up your electricity to your house, plumbers, HVAC guys and mechanics that work at small shops. \"Joe\" jobs.  I find it frustrating that they don't understand that many of these tradesmen are extremely technically competent and can work on amazing projects like plane, ship and mining\/manufacturing tooling construction for the top tier companies in the world (boeing, apple, catapiller). Most I have seen get paid more than engineers (some upwards of 200k) and can transfer into management as well.  I have worked before in Germany (I'm Canadian) and have noticed that the tradesmen are much more appreciated there than in north america.  This frustrates me because there is a huge demand for tradesmen while I am starting to see more and more young engineering graduates struggle to get jobs. I feel that the current schooling system puts a huge negative bias towards the trades.  Thoughts?","c_root_id_A":"doefwrh","c_root_id_B":"doeoz08","created_at_utc_A":1508082213,"created_at_utc_B":1508092557,"score_A":3,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"100% agree.  Anybody from my generation (45, also Canadian) with any technical aptitude was shuffled off to engineering school.  I might have been much happier as an electrician or auto mechanic... without the student loan debts!","human_ref_B":"I would love to see some actual references for these salaries you're talking about. 80k starting in  skilled trade? Link please.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10344.0,"score_ratio":2.6666666667}
{"post_id":"76jkjw","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"Do you feel that the skilled trades as a career path is undervalued\/underappreciated concerning today youth? Hey guys, as an engineer that has worked at a variety of manufacturing companies, I have noticed how great of a life\/satisfying it can be to work as a skilled tradesman. However, I can't help but to see a stigma attached to it when concerning the youth of today and their parents.  In this day in age, I find that more and more kids that are interested in technical work are pushed to go into university for any STEM field while the \"dummies\" are left to go to college and become tradesmen.  Just talking to peers, I find that the overall perception of tradesmen are the electricians that hook up your electricity to your house, plumbers, HVAC guys and mechanics that work at small shops. \"Joe\" jobs.  I find it frustrating that they don't understand that many of these tradesmen are extremely technically competent and can work on amazing projects like plane, ship and mining\/manufacturing tooling construction for the top tier companies in the world (boeing, apple, catapiller). Most I have seen get paid more than engineers (some upwards of 200k) and can transfer into management as well.  I have worked before in Germany (I'm Canadian) and have noticed that the tradesmen are much more appreciated there than in north america.  This frustrates me because there is a huge demand for tradesmen while I am starting to see more and more young engineering graduates struggle to get jobs. I feel that the current schooling system puts a huge negative bias towards the trades.  Thoughts?","c_root_id_A":"doefs1e","c_root_id_B":"doeoz08","created_at_utc_A":1508082039,"created_at_utc_B":1508092557,"score_A":2,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"I don't. For example, the electricans are the EE's best guides in the power industry due to codes, rules of thumbs, etc. My opinion is that as long as a skilled trade has value now and in the future, and you keep on learning, you will be golden.","human_ref_B":"I would love to see some actual references for these salaries you're talking about. 80k starting in  skilled trade? Link please.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10518.0,"score_ratio":4.0}
{"post_id":"76jkjw","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"Do you feel that the skilled trades as a career path is undervalued\/underappreciated concerning today youth? Hey guys, as an engineer that has worked at a variety of manufacturing companies, I have noticed how great of a life\/satisfying it can be to work as a skilled tradesman. However, I can't help but to see a stigma attached to it when concerning the youth of today and their parents.  In this day in age, I find that more and more kids that are interested in technical work are pushed to go into university for any STEM field while the \"dummies\" are left to go to college and become tradesmen.  Just talking to peers, I find that the overall perception of tradesmen are the electricians that hook up your electricity to your house, plumbers, HVAC guys and mechanics that work at small shops. \"Joe\" jobs.  I find it frustrating that they don't understand that many of these tradesmen are extremely technically competent and can work on amazing projects like plane, ship and mining\/manufacturing tooling construction for the top tier companies in the world (boeing, apple, catapiller). Most I have seen get paid more than engineers (some upwards of 200k) and can transfer into management as well.  I have worked before in Germany (I'm Canadian) and have noticed that the tradesmen are much more appreciated there than in north america.  This frustrates me because there is a huge demand for tradesmen while I am starting to see more and more young engineering graduates struggle to get jobs. I feel that the current schooling system puts a huge negative bias towards the trades.  Thoughts?","c_root_id_A":"doehjld","c_root_id_B":"doeyhzj","created_at_utc_A":1508084330,"created_at_utc_B":1508102579,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"yes, i think technicians are in shorter supply than engineers.   all the kids want to be like mark zuckerberg and co. and make $150k a year out of school with a 4 year degree though, and i dont think technicians will ever reach that yearly earning","human_ref_B":"I've been an automotive mechanic for 15 years. I can say that in that time it has gone downhill for this particular trade, especially if you're a flat rate mechanic.   Some cliffnotes:  * Raises only come with certifications.   * Mechanics take the hit for distributed coupons (we get paid less for the same amount of work)    *  Warranty repairs always pay less (you lose money unless it's something you've done 100x's before and know the shortcuts)  * I've personally noticed that some flat rate payouts for certain jobs have been reduced over the years (There have been times when I did a job probably 1000x's before and knew how much it paid me. So I would write it up from memory only for the service writer to come back and yell at me for ripping the customer off. For instance I would remember that it paid me 3 hours, but the computer says it pays 2.5 hours. Then I would go and look it up in the old paper service manual and see it was 3 hours before.)  * Winter times are rough. You might be lucky to have 4 cars being worked on at a time in a 30 bay shop. You're required to be there, but you're not making any money for it.   * Prices have gone way up for the customers, but that all goes to management. ($4000 repair bills are not uncommon, where the mechanic only sees maybe $100 of it)     * No such thing as overtime for flat rate.   I have 9 ASE certifications. L1 certified master tech. I make roughly $45-$50k\/year.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":18249.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"76jkjw","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"Do you feel that the skilled trades as a career path is undervalued\/underappreciated concerning today youth? Hey guys, as an engineer that has worked at a variety of manufacturing companies, I have noticed how great of a life\/satisfying it can be to work as a skilled tradesman. However, I can't help but to see a stigma attached to it when concerning the youth of today and their parents.  In this day in age, I find that more and more kids that are interested in technical work are pushed to go into university for any STEM field while the \"dummies\" are left to go to college and become tradesmen.  Just talking to peers, I find that the overall perception of tradesmen are the electricians that hook up your electricity to your house, plumbers, HVAC guys and mechanics that work at small shops. \"Joe\" jobs.  I find it frustrating that they don't understand that many of these tradesmen are extremely technically competent and can work on amazing projects like plane, ship and mining\/manufacturing tooling construction for the top tier companies in the world (boeing, apple, catapiller). Most I have seen get paid more than engineers (some upwards of 200k) and can transfer into management as well.  I have worked before in Germany (I'm Canadian) and have noticed that the tradesmen are much more appreciated there than in north america.  This frustrates me because there is a huge demand for tradesmen while I am starting to see more and more young engineering graduates struggle to get jobs. I feel that the current schooling system puts a huge negative bias towards the trades.  Thoughts?","c_root_id_A":"doehjld","c_root_id_B":"doefs1e","created_at_utc_A":1508084330,"created_at_utc_B":1508082039,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"yes, i think technicians are in shorter supply than engineers.   all the kids want to be like mark zuckerberg and co. and make $150k a year out of school with a 4 year degree though, and i dont think technicians will ever reach that yearly earning","human_ref_B":"I don't. For example, the electricans are the EE's best guides in the power industry due to codes, rules of thumbs, etc. My opinion is that as long as a skilled trade has value now and in the future, and you keep on learning, you will be golden.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2291.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"76jkjw","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"Do you feel that the skilled trades as a career path is undervalued\/underappreciated concerning today youth? Hey guys, as an engineer that has worked at a variety of manufacturing companies, I have noticed how great of a life\/satisfying it can be to work as a skilled tradesman. However, I can't help but to see a stigma attached to it when concerning the youth of today and their parents.  In this day in age, I find that more and more kids that are interested in technical work are pushed to go into university for any STEM field while the \"dummies\" are left to go to college and become tradesmen.  Just talking to peers, I find that the overall perception of tradesmen are the electricians that hook up your electricity to your house, plumbers, HVAC guys and mechanics that work at small shops. \"Joe\" jobs.  I find it frustrating that they don't understand that many of these tradesmen are extremely technically competent and can work on amazing projects like plane, ship and mining\/manufacturing tooling construction for the top tier companies in the world (boeing, apple, catapiller). Most I have seen get paid more than engineers (some upwards of 200k) and can transfer into management as well.  I have worked before in Germany (I'm Canadian) and have noticed that the tradesmen are much more appreciated there than in north america.  This frustrates me because there is a huge demand for tradesmen while I am starting to see more and more young engineering graduates struggle to get jobs. I feel that the current schooling system puts a huge negative bias towards the trades.  Thoughts?","c_root_id_A":"doefwrh","c_root_id_B":"doeyhzj","created_at_utc_A":1508082213,"created_at_utc_B":1508102579,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"100% agree.  Anybody from my generation (45, also Canadian) with any technical aptitude was shuffled off to engineering school.  I might have been much happier as an electrician or auto mechanic... without the student loan debts!","human_ref_B":"I've been an automotive mechanic for 15 years. I can say that in that time it has gone downhill for this particular trade, especially if you're a flat rate mechanic.   Some cliffnotes:  * Raises only come with certifications.   * Mechanics take the hit for distributed coupons (we get paid less for the same amount of work)    *  Warranty repairs always pay less (you lose money unless it's something you've done 100x's before and know the shortcuts)  * I've personally noticed that some flat rate payouts for certain jobs have been reduced over the years (There have been times when I did a job probably 1000x's before and knew how much it paid me. So I would write it up from memory only for the service writer to come back and yell at me for ripping the customer off. For instance I would remember that it paid me 3 hours, but the computer says it pays 2.5 hours. Then I would go and look it up in the old paper service manual and see it was 3 hours before.)  * Winter times are rough. You might be lucky to have 4 cars being worked on at a time in a 30 bay shop. You're required to be there, but you're not making any money for it.   * Prices have gone way up for the customers, but that all goes to management. ($4000 repair bills are not uncommon, where the mechanic only sees maybe $100 of it)     * No such thing as overtime for flat rate.   I have 9 ASE certifications. L1 certified master tech. I make roughly $45-$50k\/year.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":20366.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"76jkjw","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"Do you feel that the skilled trades as a career path is undervalued\/underappreciated concerning today youth? Hey guys, as an engineer that has worked at a variety of manufacturing companies, I have noticed how great of a life\/satisfying it can be to work as a skilled tradesman. However, I can't help but to see a stigma attached to it when concerning the youth of today and their parents.  In this day in age, I find that more and more kids that are interested in technical work are pushed to go into university for any STEM field while the \"dummies\" are left to go to college and become tradesmen.  Just talking to peers, I find that the overall perception of tradesmen are the electricians that hook up your electricity to your house, plumbers, HVAC guys and mechanics that work at small shops. \"Joe\" jobs.  I find it frustrating that they don't understand that many of these tradesmen are extremely technically competent and can work on amazing projects like plane, ship and mining\/manufacturing tooling construction for the top tier companies in the world (boeing, apple, catapiller). Most I have seen get paid more than engineers (some upwards of 200k) and can transfer into management as well.  I have worked before in Germany (I'm Canadian) and have noticed that the tradesmen are much more appreciated there than in north america.  This frustrates me because there is a huge demand for tradesmen while I am starting to see more and more young engineering graduates struggle to get jobs. I feel that the current schooling system puts a huge negative bias towards the trades.  Thoughts?","c_root_id_A":"doefs1e","c_root_id_B":"doeyhzj","created_at_utc_A":1508082039,"created_at_utc_B":1508102579,"score_A":2,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I don't. For example, the electricans are the EE's best guides in the power industry due to codes, rules of thumbs, etc. My opinion is that as long as a skilled trade has value now and in the future, and you keep on learning, you will be golden.","human_ref_B":"I've been an automotive mechanic for 15 years. I can say that in that time it has gone downhill for this particular trade, especially if you're a flat rate mechanic.   Some cliffnotes:  * Raises only come with certifications.   * Mechanics take the hit for distributed coupons (we get paid less for the same amount of work)    *  Warranty repairs always pay less (you lose money unless it's something you've done 100x's before and know the shortcuts)  * I've personally noticed that some flat rate payouts for certain jobs have been reduced over the years (There have been times when I did a job probably 1000x's before and knew how much it paid me. So I would write it up from memory only for the service writer to come back and yell at me for ripping the customer off. For instance I would remember that it paid me 3 hours, but the computer says it pays 2.5 hours. Then I would go and look it up in the old paper service manual and see it was 3 hours before.)  * Winter times are rough. You might be lucky to have 4 cars being worked on at a time in a 30 bay shop. You're required to be there, but you're not making any money for it.   * Prices have gone way up for the customers, but that all goes to management. ($4000 repair bills are not uncommon, where the mechanic only sees maybe $100 of it)     * No such thing as overtime for flat rate.   I have 9 ASE certifications. L1 certified master tech. I make roughly $45-$50k\/year.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":20540.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"76jkjw","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"Do you feel that the skilled trades as a career path is undervalued\/underappreciated concerning today youth? Hey guys, as an engineer that has worked at a variety of manufacturing companies, I have noticed how great of a life\/satisfying it can be to work as a skilled tradesman. However, I can't help but to see a stigma attached to it when concerning the youth of today and their parents.  In this day in age, I find that more and more kids that are interested in technical work are pushed to go into university for any STEM field while the \"dummies\" are left to go to college and become tradesmen.  Just talking to peers, I find that the overall perception of tradesmen are the electricians that hook up your electricity to your house, plumbers, HVAC guys and mechanics that work at small shops. \"Joe\" jobs.  I find it frustrating that they don't understand that many of these tradesmen are extremely technically competent and can work on amazing projects like plane, ship and mining\/manufacturing tooling construction for the top tier companies in the world (boeing, apple, catapiller). Most I have seen get paid more than engineers (some upwards of 200k) and can transfer into management as well.  I have worked before in Germany (I'm Canadian) and have noticed that the tradesmen are much more appreciated there than in north america.  This frustrates me because there is a huge demand for tradesmen while I am starting to see more and more young engineering graduates struggle to get jobs. I feel that the current schooling system puts a huge negative bias towards the trades.  Thoughts?","c_root_id_A":"doefs1e","c_root_id_B":"doefwrh","created_at_utc_A":1508082039,"created_at_utc_B":1508082213,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I don't. For example, the electricans are the EE's best guides in the power industry due to codes, rules of thumbs, etc. My opinion is that as long as a skilled trade has value now and in the future, and you keep on learning, you will be golden.","human_ref_B":"100% agree.  Anybody from my generation (45, also Canadian) with any technical aptitude was shuffled off to engineering school.  I might have been much happier as an electrician or auto mechanic... without the student loan debts!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":174.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"76jkjw","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"Do you feel that the skilled trades as a career path is undervalued\/underappreciated concerning today youth? Hey guys, as an engineer that has worked at a variety of manufacturing companies, I have noticed how great of a life\/satisfying it can be to work as a skilled tradesman. However, I can't help but to see a stigma attached to it when concerning the youth of today and their parents.  In this day in age, I find that more and more kids that are interested in technical work are pushed to go into university for any STEM field while the \"dummies\" are left to go to college and become tradesmen.  Just talking to peers, I find that the overall perception of tradesmen are the electricians that hook up your electricity to your house, plumbers, HVAC guys and mechanics that work at small shops. \"Joe\" jobs.  I find it frustrating that they don't understand that many of these tradesmen are extremely technically competent and can work on amazing projects like plane, ship and mining\/manufacturing tooling construction for the top tier companies in the world (boeing, apple, catapiller). Most I have seen get paid more than engineers (some upwards of 200k) and can transfer into management as well.  I have worked before in Germany (I'm Canadian) and have noticed that the tradesmen are much more appreciated there than in north america.  This frustrates me because there is a huge demand for tradesmen while I am starting to see more and more young engineering graduates struggle to get jobs. I feel that the current schooling system puts a huge negative bias towards the trades.  Thoughts?","c_root_id_A":"doefs1e","c_root_id_B":"dof7pcl","created_at_utc_A":1508082039,"created_at_utc_B":1508114163,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I don't. For example, the electricans are the EE's best guides in the power industry due to codes, rules of thumbs, etc. My opinion is that as long as a skilled trade has value now and in the future, and you keep on learning, you will be golden.","human_ref_B":"If you gave me the choice of making $70k sitting down in an air conditioned office as an engineer or $100k working as a welder in a Gulf coast shipyard, I would take the first one hands down. There's more to a career than money.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":32124.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"1it6v7","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"What does it take to run a car's air conditioning system if it were removed from a car in one piece What do I do? Just hook up the compressor pulley to like a windmill or something?","c_root_id_A":"cb7t2js","c_root_id_B":"cb7ss2v","created_at_utc_A":1374503142,"created_at_utc_B":1374502165,"score_A":5,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"This won't work, unless you have a big ass windmill. An a\/c compressor can easily draw 5hp. Good luck finding a wind turbine for less than $5k that can produce that much power.","human_ref_B":"You must have a fan blowing over the evaporator, otherwise the refrigerant wont absorb any heat and it wont really work. Also there are various sensors that let the compressor run. High pressure cutoff and temp sensors.  Def get yourself a schematic for whatever system you are putting together.  There are ways to fool it into working. Let me know if you need help, would love to see this in action.  Edit, should have read everything, you can use the van's blower motor too. Also you should not need the radiator.  Its strictly to cool the engine.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":977.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"a0kk51","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"How do you answer to the \"Why did you leave your last job\" question? So, I was fired from my last job. I was not given a reason as to why but I am left to believe that it was not a performance based decision as they wrote a recommendation letter for me assessing my performance on this last job.  Now I am being ask this question by recruiters and I really don't know how to answer in a way that puts me on top.","c_root_id_A":"eaifssi","c_root_id_B":"eaiarzm","created_at_utc_A":1543252085,"created_at_utc_B":1543248332,"score_A":38,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"\"The company didn't achieve their goals and had layoffs.\" \"The company was restructured and I was laid off.\" \"My department was moved to India where they work for 10% of my then salary.\"","human_ref_B":"\"my position was deemed unnecessary\"","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3753.0,"score_ratio":3.1666666667}
{"post_id":"a0kk51","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"How do you answer to the \"Why did you leave your last job\" question? So, I was fired from my last job. I was not given a reason as to why but I am left to believe that it was not a performance based decision as they wrote a recommendation letter for me assessing my performance on this last job.  Now I am being ask this question by recruiters and I really don't know how to answer in a way that puts me on top.","c_root_id_A":"eaipy0o","c_root_id_B":"eaig73b","created_at_utc_A":1543259195,"created_at_utc_B":1543252366,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"were you one of the last to be hired? Last In First Out sort of thing? Might help to justify it.","human_ref_B":"i agree with @level100Weeb, more or less. I would convey the same idea but add something of a driver that wasn't in your control and that the effect of that driver was not specific to you:  \"a strategic pivot left rendered my position (or group?) unnecessary\"  the difference, in my view, is that the external driver highlights that you are likely still a desirable candidate; if others were laid off too it adds weight to the statement and enables a recruiter to position your application as an opportunity to another employer to snag a good engineer who wouldn't normally be available to entertain job offers.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6829.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"5uq61i","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"Is it frowned upon to use software with an academic license in the professional world? I was at work today and my boss, the head engineer, and I were having a discussion about this topic. I currently have some software I was lucky enough to get through my university (legally through an academic license). My boss asked me to do a 3D model of a product for a customer so we could send them drawings for approval. I respectfully declined and the the argument began. I explained to him that I got this software for free and for me to do this for him would be looked at as illegal. I explained to him that the software I have was worth around $3,500 for the most basic package and that the features can make it worth as much as $15,000 per license. His argument was that I was technically using it for academic use. He viewed it as real world practice. I held my ground and apologized and told him I didn't feel comfortable using my software. Was I right for doing what I did, or is it something that is generally accepted? If I had done the modeling for him and sent it off, would I be liable or would he? What would happen to me if I was caught?","c_root_id_A":"ddw13lp","c_root_id_B":"ddw5hnt","created_at_utc_A":1487385512,"created_at_utc_B":1487392880,"score_A":43,"score_B":52,"human_ref_A":"Totally illegal, can get you and employer in trouble.","human_ref_B":"Also, normally your drawings will be watermarked with EDUCATIONAL EDITION and any customer who sees that will look down on your company for it","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7368.0,"score_ratio":1.2093023256}
{"post_id":"5uq61i","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"Is it frowned upon to use software with an academic license in the professional world? I was at work today and my boss, the head engineer, and I were having a discussion about this topic. I currently have some software I was lucky enough to get through my university (legally through an academic license). My boss asked me to do a 3D model of a product for a customer so we could send them drawings for approval. I respectfully declined and the the argument began. I explained to him that I got this software for free and for me to do this for him would be looked at as illegal. I explained to him that the software I have was worth around $3,500 for the most basic package and that the features can make it worth as much as $15,000 per license. His argument was that I was technically using it for academic use. He viewed it as real world practice. I held my ground and apologized and told him I didn't feel comfortable using my software. Was I right for doing what I did, or is it something that is generally accepted? If I had done the modeling for him and sent it off, would I be liable or would he? What would happen to me if I was caught?","c_root_id_A":"ddw47v6","c_root_id_B":"ddw5hnt","created_at_utc_A":1487390640,"created_at_utc_B":1487392880,"score_A":11,"score_B":52,"human_ref_A":"It is absolutely illegal. If your business is reported for using academic software in a commercial setting, you will be sued. I cannot imagine a scenario where the involved parties would keep their jobs.   Related: you can make money from reporting illegal software practices.  https:\/\/reporting.bsa.org","human_ref_B":"Also, normally your drawings will be watermarked with EDUCATIONAL EDITION and any customer who sees that will look down on your company for it","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2240.0,"score_ratio":4.7272727273}
{"post_id":"5uq61i","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"Is it frowned upon to use software with an academic license in the professional world? I was at work today and my boss, the head engineer, and I were having a discussion about this topic. I currently have some software I was lucky enough to get through my university (legally through an academic license). My boss asked me to do a 3D model of a product for a customer so we could send them drawings for approval. I respectfully declined and the the argument began. I explained to him that I got this software for free and for me to do this for him would be looked at as illegal. I explained to him that the software I have was worth around $3,500 for the most basic package and that the features can make it worth as much as $15,000 per license. His argument was that I was technically using it for academic use. He viewed it as real world practice. I held my ground and apologized and told him I didn't feel comfortable using my software. Was I right for doing what I did, or is it something that is generally accepted? If I had done the modeling for him and sent it off, would I be liable or would he? What would happen to me if I was caught?","c_root_id_A":"ddw0nwo","c_root_id_B":"ddw5hnt","created_at_utc_A":1487384806,"created_at_utc_B":1487392880,"score_A":3,"score_B":52,"human_ref_A":"Maybe a big enough ethical issue to deny a PE? I don't know how strict the rules are.","human_ref_B":"Also, normally your drawings will be watermarked with EDUCATIONAL EDITION and any customer who sees that will look down on your company for it","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8074.0,"score_ratio":17.3333333333}
{"post_id":"5uq61i","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"Is it frowned upon to use software with an academic license in the professional world? I was at work today and my boss, the head engineer, and I were having a discussion about this topic. I currently have some software I was lucky enough to get through my university (legally through an academic license). My boss asked me to do a 3D model of a product for a customer so we could send them drawings for approval. I respectfully declined and the the argument began. I explained to him that I got this software for free and for me to do this for him would be looked at as illegal. I explained to him that the software I have was worth around $3,500 for the most basic package and that the features can make it worth as much as $15,000 per license. His argument was that I was technically using it for academic use. He viewed it as real world practice. I held my ground and apologized and told him I didn't feel comfortable using my software. Was I right for doing what I did, or is it something that is generally accepted? If I had done the modeling for him and sent it off, would I be liable or would he? What would happen to me if I was caught?","c_root_id_A":"ddw0nwo","c_root_id_B":"ddw13lp","created_at_utc_A":1487384806,"created_at_utc_B":1487385512,"score_A":3,"score_B":43,"human_ref_A":"Maybe a big enough ethical issue to deny a PE? I don't know how strict the rules are.","human_ref_B":"Totally illegal, can get you and employer in trouble.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":706.0,"score_ratio":14.3333333333}
{"post_id":"5uq61i","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"Is it frowned upon to use software with an academic license in the professional world? I was at work today and my boss, the head engineer, and I were having a discussion about this topic. I currently have some software I was lucky enough to get through my university (legally through an academic license). My boss asked me to do a 3D model of a product for a customer so we could send them drawings for approval. I respectfully declined and the the argument began. I explained to him that I got this software for free and for me to do this for him would be looked at as illegal. I explained to him that the software I have was worth around $3,500 for the most basic package and that the features can make it worth as much as $15,000 per license. His argument was that I was technically using it for academic use. He viewed it as real world practice. I held my ground and apologized and told him I didn't feel comfortable using my software. Was I right for doing what I did, or is it something that is generally accepted? If I had done the modeling for him and sent it off, would I be liable or would he? What would happen to me if I was caught?","c_root_id_A":"ddwa4k3","c_root_id_B":"ddw47v6","created_at_utc_A":1487403002,"created_at_utc_B":1487390640,"score_A":43,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"There is some confusion up above.    It is NOT illegal.  You are NOT breaking laws, which means you are NOT going to prison for it.  It IS against the EULA.  The vendor has every right to sue, although whether they'll sue the company or the licensee (you) is uncertain.  You may or may not successfully defend that civil case, but it's going to cost you money to do so.  The company should not put you in that position, it's unfair of them.  You can get AutoCAD for $175 for a month's fully commercial license, or other cheaper CAD packages if that's a big deal.  AutoCAD is widely used.  Do people do it?  Yes they do.  And they get away with it quite often, but it's always a roll of the dice.  Hope that's clarified things a little :)","human_ref_B":"It is absolutely illegal. If your business is reported for using academic software in a commercial setting, you will be sued. I cannot imagine a scenario where the involved parties would keep their jobs.   Related: you can make money from reporting illegal software practices.  https:\/\/reporting.bsa.org","labels":1,"seconds_difference":12362.0,"score_ratio":3.9090909091}
{"post_id":"5uq61i","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"Is it frowned upon to use software with an academic license in the professional world? I was at work today and my boss, the head engineer, and I were having a discussion about this topic. I currently have some software I was lucky enough to get through my university (legally through an academic license). My boss asked me to do a 3D model of a product for a customer so we could send them drawings for approval. I respectfully declined and the the argument began. I explained to him that I got this software for free and for me to do this for him would be looked at as illegal. I explained to him that the software I have was worth around $3,500 for the most basic package and that the features can make it worth as much as $15,000 per license. His argument was that I was technically using it for academic use. He viewed it as real world practice. I held my ground and apologized and told him I didn't feel comfortable using my software. Was I right for doing what I did, or is it something that is generally accepted? If I had done the modeling for him and sent it off, would I be liable or would he? What would happen to me if I was caught?","c_root_id_A":"ddw7cne","c_root_id_B":"ddwa4k3","created_at_utc_A":1487396495,"created_at_utc_B":1487403002,"score_A":9,"score_B":43,"human_ref_A":"Unless you're working in some kind of academic research lab, then it's not only illegal but also pretty crass to not pay for the tools you use.  Not only are you or your company making money off the tool, and you're also depriving the engineers who design and maintain those tools from their compensation.  (Also, not 'you' personally but anyone who refuses to pay for software used in their business)","human_ref_B":"There is some confusion up above.    It is NOT illegal.  You are NOT breaking laws, which means you are NOT going to prison for it.  It IS against the EULA.  The vendor has every right to sue, although whether they'll sue the company or the licensee (you) is uncertain.  You may or may not successfully defend that civil case, but it's going to cost you money to do so.  The company should not put you in that position, it's unfair of them.  You can get AutoCAD for $175 for a month's fully commercial license, or other cheaper CAD packages if that's a big deal.  AutoCAD is widely used.  Do people do it?  Yes they do.  And they get away with it quite often, but it's always a roll of the dice.  Hope that's clarified things a little :)","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6507.0,"score_ratio":4.7777777778}
{"post_id":"5uq61i","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"Is it frowned upon to use software with an academic license in the professional world? I was at work today and my boss, the head engineer, and I were having a discussion about this topic. I currently have some software I was lucky enough to get through my university (legally through an academic license). My boss asked me to do a 3D model of a product for a customer so we could send them drawings for approval. I respectfully declined and the the argument began. I explained to him that I got this software for free and for me to do this for him would be looked at as illegal. I explained to him that the software I have was worth around $3,500 for the most basic package and that the features can make it worth as much as $15,000 per license. His argument was that I was technically using it for academic use. He viewed it as real world practice. I held my ground and apologized and told him I didn't feel comfortable using my software. Was I right for doing what I did, or is it something that is generally accepted? If I had done the modeling for him and sent it off, would I be liable or would he? What would happen to me if I was caught?","c_root_id_A":"ddw0nwo","c_root_id_B":"ddwa4k3","created_at_utc_A":1487384806,"created_at_utc_B":1487403002,"score_A":3,"score_B":43,"human_ref_A":"Maybe a big enough ethical issue to deny a PE? I don't know how strict the rules are.","human_ref_B":"There is some confusion up above.    It is NOT illegal.  You are NOT breaking laws, which means you are NOT going to prison for it.  It IS against the EULA.  The vendor has every right to sue, although whether they'll sue the company or the licensee (you) is uncertain.  You may or may not successfully defend that civil case, but it's going to cost you money to do so.  The company should not put you in that position, it's unfair of them.  You can get AutoCAD for $175 for a month's fully commercial license, or other cheaper CAD packages if that's a big deal.  AutoCAD is widely used.  Do people do it?  Yes they do.  And they get away with it quite often, but it's always a roll of the dice.  Hope that's clarified things a little :)","labels":0,"seconds_difference":18196.0,"score_ratio":14.3333333333}
{"post_id":"5uq61i","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"Is it frowned upon to use software with an academic license in the professional world? I was at work today and my boss, the head engineer, and I were having a discussion about this topic. I currently have some software I was lucky enough to get through my university (legally through an academic license). My boss asked me to do a 3D model of a product for a customer so we could send them drawings for approval. I respectfully declined and the the argument began. I explained to him that I got this software for free and for me to do this for him would be looked at as illegal. I explained to him that the software I have was worth around $3,500 for the most basic package and that the features can make it worth as much as $15,000 per license. His argument was that I was technically using it for academic use. He viewed it as real world practice. I held my ground and apologized and told him I didn't feel comfortable using my software. Was I right for doing what I did, or is it something that is generally accepted? If I had done the modeling for him and sent it off, would I be liable or would he? What would happen to me if I was caught?","c_root_id_A":"ddwa4k3","c_root_id_B":"ddw6443","created_at_utc_A":1487403002,"created_at_utc_B":1487394037,"score_A":43,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"There is some confusion up above.    It is NOT illegal.  You are NOT breaking laws, which means you are NOT going to prison for it.  It IS against the EULA.  The vendor has every right to sue, although whether they'll sue the company or the licensee (you) is uncertain.  You may or may not successfully defend that civil case, but it's going to cost you money to do so.  The company should not put you in that position, it's unfair of them.  You can get AutoCAD for $175 for a month's fully commercial license, or other cheaper CAD packages if that's a big deal.  AutoCAD is widely used.  Do people do it?  Yes they do.  And they get away with it quite often, but it's always a roll of the dice.  Hope that's clarified things a little :)","human_ref_B":"Don't do it, can get you in trouble.   If your boss needs solid works (I'm assuming), then he needs to not be a cheap ass and just get a license","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8965.0,"score_ratio":21.5}
{"post_id":"5uq61i","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"Is it frowned upon to use software with an academic license in the professional world? I was at work today and my boss, the head engineer, and I were having a discussion about this topic. I currently have some software I was lucky enough to get through my university (legally through an academic license). My boss asked me to do a 3D model of a product for a customer so we could send them drawings for approval. I respectfully declined and the the argument began. I explained to him that I got this software for free and for me to do this for him would be looked at as illegal. I explained to him that the software I have was worth around $3,500 for the most basic package and that the features can make it worth as much as $15,000 per license. His argument was that I was technically using it for academic use. He viewed it as real world practice. I held my ground and apologized and told him I didn't feel comfortable using my software. Was I right for doing what I did, or is it something that is generally accepted? If I had done the modeling for him and sent it off, would I be liable or would he? What would happen to me if I was caught?","c_root_id_A":"ddwa4k3","c_root_id_B":"ddw7wnf","created_at_utc_A":1487403002,"created_at_utc_B":1487397676,"score_A":43,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"There is some confusion up above.    It is NOT illegal.  You are NOT breaking laws, which means you are NOT going to prison for it.  It IS against the EULA.  The vendor has every right to sue, although whether they'll sue the company or the licensee (you) is uncertain.  You may or may not successfully defend that civil case, but it's going to cost you money to do so.  The company should not put you in that position, it's unfair of them.  You can get AutoCAD for $175 for a month's fully commercial license, or other cheaper CAD packages if that's a big deal.  AutoCAD is widely used.  Do people do it?  Yes they do.  And they get away with it quite often, but it's always a roll of the dice.  Hope that's clarified things a little :)","human_ref_B":"Besides, there are free, although not full of features due to being free, 3D model software out there. If your boss can't afford the licence,he could at least get you to use the free ones.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5326.0,"score_ratio":21.5}
{"post_id":"5uq61i","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"Is it frowned upon to use software with an academic license in the professional world? I was at work today and my boss, the head engineer, and I were having a discussion about this topic. I currently have some software I was lucky enough to get through my university (legally through an academic license). My boss asked me to do a 3D model of a product for a customer so we could send them drawings for approval. I respectfully declined and the the argument began. I explained to him that I got this software for free and for me to do this for him would be looked at as illegal. I explained to him that the software I have was worth around $3,500 for the most basic package and that the features can make it worth as much as $15,000 per license. His argument was that I was technically using it for academic use. He viewed it as real world practice. I held my ground and apologized and told him I didn't feel comfortable using my software. Was I right for doing what I did, or is it something that is generally accepted? If I had done the modeling for him and sent it off, would I be liable or would he? What would happen to me if I was caught?","c_root_id_A":"ddw0nwo","c_root_id_B":"ddw47v6","created_at_utc_A":1487384806,"created_at_utc_B":1487390640,"score_A":3,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"Maybe a big enough ethical issue to deny a PE? I don't know how strict the rules are.","human_ref_B":"It is absolutely illegal. If your business is reported for using academic software in a commercial setting, you will be sued. I cannot imagine a scenario where the involved parties would keep their jobs.   Related: you can make money from reporting illegal software practices.  https:\/\/reporting.bsa.org","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5834.0,"score_ratio":3.6666666667}
{"post_id":"5uq61i","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"Is it frowned upon to use software with an academic license in the professional world? I was at work today and my boss, the head engineer, and I were having a discussion about this topic. I currently have some software I was lucky enough to get through my university (legally through an academic license). My boss asked me to do a 3D model of a product for a customer so we could send them drawings for approval. I respectfully declined and the the argument began. I explained to him that I got this software for free and for me to do this for him would be looked at as illegal. I explained to him that the software I have was worth around $3,500 for the most basic package and that the features can make it worth as much as $15,000 per license. His argument was that I was technically using it for academic use. He viewed it as real world practice. I held my ground and apologized and told him I didn't feel comfortable using my software. Was I right for doing what I did, or is it something that is generally accepted? If I had done the modeling for him and sent it off, would I be liable or would he? What would happen to me if I was caught?","c_root_id_A":"ddw7cne","c_root_id_B":"ddw0nwo","created_at_utc_A":1487396495,"created_at_utc_B":1487384806,"score_A":9,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Unless you're working in some kind of academic research lab, then it's not only illegal but also pretty crass to not pay for the tools you use.  Not only are you or your company making money off the tool, and you're also depriving the engineers who design and maintain those tools from their compensation.  (Also, not 'you' personally but anyone who refuses to pay for software used in their business)","human_ref_B":"Maybe a big enough ethical issue to deny a PE? I don't know how strict the rules are.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":11689.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"5uq61i","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"Is it frowned upon to use software with an academic license in the professional world? I was at work today and my boss, the head engineer, and I were having a discussion about this topic. I currently have some software I was lucky enough to get through my university (legally through an academic license). My boss asked me to do a 3D model of a product for a customer so we could send them drawings for approval. I respectfully declined and the the argument began. I explained to him that I got this software for free and for me to do this for him would be looked at as illegal. I explained to him that the software I have was worth around $3,500 for the most basic package and that the features can make it worth as much as $15,000 per license. His argument was that I was technically using it for academic use. He viewed it as real world practice. I held my ground and apologized and told him I didn't feel comfortable using my software. Was I right for doing what I did, or is it something that is generally accepted? If I had done the modeling for him and sent it off, would I be liable or would he? What would happen to me if I was caught?","c_root_id_A":"ddw6443","c_root_id_B":"ddw7cne","created_at_utc_A":1487394037,"created_at_utc_B":1487396495,"score_A":2,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Don't do it, can get you in trouble.   If your boss needs solid works (I'm assuming), then he needs to not be a cheap ass and just get a license","human_ref_B":"Unless you're working in some kind of academic research lab, then it's not only illegal but also pretty crass to not pay for the tools you use.  Not only are you or your company making money off the tool, and you're also depriving the engineers who design and maintain those tools from their compensation.  (Also, not 'you' personally but anyone who refuses to pay for software used in their business)","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2458.0,"score_ratio":4.5}
{"post_id":"3qwi3v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Elon Musk scoffs at the idea of mass hydrogen-based automotive infrastructure being practical. Honda doubles down on the technology. Who's wrong? Elon's rather mocking dismissal of the concept: https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=Y_e7rA4fBAo&t=10m20s  Wired mag on Honda's doubling down: http:\/\/www.wired.com\/2015\/10\/honda-clarity-hydrogen-fuel-cell-sales\/  So engineers who have enough experience to speak on this -- who do you think is wrong here?  Elon?  Honda?  Both?  Neither?  Explain...","c_root_id_A":"cwiy7dg","c_root_id_B":"cwiz0lr","created_at_utc_A":1446248241,"created_at_utc_B":1446249736,"score_A":46,"score_B":89,"human_ref_A":"Elon Musk has every reason to say that HFC cars are not worth while. Remember, Musk is not any bit of an engineer any more. He is a sales man. The face of the company. And he will do everything he can to bolster the idea of the electric car.   Honda is likely getting government grants from the Japanese gov. to keep development going, among other things.  Neither is more right than the other. They are different technologies and they all have their pros and cons.","human_ref_B":"I have some experience with hydrogen fuel cells for residential use.  I also currently work for a company that makes deisel and electric vehicles for use at airports.  In my opinion, hydrogen fuel cells will not catch on.  The infrastructure cost is too high, and without infrastructure you can't have vehicles.  We already have a power grid, technically everyone has a charging station in their house.  The idea of a hydrogen generator in your house is crazy.  Unless the cars are free and you buy the generator people wont be able to afford to own one.  Vs already having an electric car charger if i can just plug it into the wall.  The advantage of hydrogen would be the fill up time and maybe the range.  I don't think that will offset the extra complexity of a hydrogen fuel cell vs a battery.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1495.0,"score_ratio":1.9347826087}
{"post_id":"3qwi3v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Elon Musk scoffs at the idea of mass hydrogen-based automotive infrastructure being practical. Honda doubles down on the technology. Who's wrong? Elon's rather mocking dismissal of the concept: https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=Y_e7rA4fBAo&t=10m20s  Wired mag on Honda's doubling down: http:\/\/www.wired.com\/2015\/10\/honda-clarity-hydrogen-fuel-cell-sales\/  So engineers who have enough experience to speak on this -- who do you think is wrong here?  Elon?  Honda?  Both?  Neither?  Explain...","c_root_id_A":"cwiyfgz","c_root_id_B":"cwiz0lr","created_at_utc_A":1446248658,"created_at_utc_B":1446249736,"score_A":14,"score_B":89,"human_ref_A":"Honda.  making, transporting, and storing hydrogen is very inefficient.  sure, if you build a hydrogen production facility at every gas station then hydrogen isn't so bad, but that's a big cost.  electricity is already everywhere.  also, I don't think they're \"doubling down\" on it.  they simply made a few cars.  they've been researching hydrogen for a while (before electrics seemed so viable), so they probably want to at least test the market for them.   .   also, I'm not sure what happens to old cars with big hydrogen tanks in them.  would leaking fuel be dangerous?  I'm not really sure, but I would be worried about a giant canister of explosive gas sitting in my garage. (note that gasoline is not explosive)","human_ref_B":"I have some experience with hydrogen fuel cells for residential use.  I also currently work for a company that makes deisel and electric vehicles for use at airports.  In my opinion, hydrogen fuel cells will not catch on.  The infrastructure cost is too high, and without infrastructure you can't have vehicles.  We already have a power grid, technically everyone has a charging station in their house.  The idea of a hydrogen generator in your house is crazy.  Unless the cars are free and you buy the generator people wont be able to afford to own one.  Vs already having an electric car charger if i can just plug it into the wall.  The advantage of hydrogen would be the fill up time and maybe the range.  I don't think that will offset the extra complexity of a hydrogen fuel cell vs a battery.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1078.0,"score_ratio":6.3571428571}
{"post_id":"3qwi3v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Elon Musk scoffs at the idea of mass hydrogen-based automotive infrastructure being practical. Honda doubles down on the technology. Who's wrong? Elon's rather mocking dismissal of the concept: https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=Y_e7rA4fBAo&t=10m20s  Wired mag on Honda's doubling down: http:\/\/www.wired.com\/2015\/10\/honda-clarity-hydrogen-fuel-cell-sales\/  So engineers who have enough experience to speak on this -- who do you think is wrong here?  Elon?  Honda?  Both?  Neither?  Explain...","c_root_id_A":"cwj0a3g","c_root_id_B":"cwiyfgz","created_at_utc_A":1446252036,"created_at_utc_B":1446248658,"score_A":32,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"Hydrogen is fantastic from a specific energy (J\/kg) but pretty poor in volumetric efficiency compared to gasoline. You also add in the whole high pressure (to get any sort of reasonable volumetric efficiency) and it causes more headaches","human_ref_B":"Honda.  making, transporting, and storing hydrogen is very inefficient.  sure, if you build a hydrogen production facility at every gas station then hydrogen isn't so bad, but that's a big cost.  electricity is already everywhere.  also, I don't think they're \"doubling down\" on it.  they simply made a few cars.  they've been researching hydrogen for a while (before electrics seemed so viable), so they probably want to at least test the market for them.   .   also, I'm not sure what happens to old cars with big hydrogen tanks in them.  would leaking fuel be dangerous?  I'm not really sure, but I would be worried about a giant canister of explosive gas sitting in my garage. (note that gasoline is not explosive)","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3378.0,"score_ratio":2.2857142857}
{"post_id":"3qwi3v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Elon Musk scoffs at the idea of mass hydrogen-based automotive infrastructure being practical. Honda doubles down on the technology. Who's wrong? Elon's rather mocking dismissal of the concept: https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=Y_e7rA4fBAo&t=10m20s  Wired mag on Honda's doubling down: http:\/\/www.wired.com\/2015\/10\/honda-clarity-hydrogen-fuel-cell-sales\/  So engineers who have enough experience to speak on this -- who do you think is wrong here?  Elon?  Honda?  Both?  Neither?  Explain...","c_root_id_A":"cwj0a3g","c_root_id_B":"cwj02cw","created_at_utc_A":1446252036,"created_at_utc_B":1446251643,"score_A":32,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Hydrogen is fantastic from a specific energy (J\/kg) but pretty poor in volumetric efficiency compared to gasoline. You also add in the whole high pressure (to get any sort of reasonable volumetric efficiency) and it causes more headaches","human_ref_B":"Edison scoffed at Alternating Current power distribution, too.  Maybe situations where the verb \"to scoff\" is applicable, could use a little historical context.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":393.0,"score_ratio":6.4}
{"post_id":"3qwi3v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Elon Musk scoffs at the idea of mass hydrogen-based automotive infrastructure being practical. Honda doubles down on the technology. Who's wrong? Elon's rather mocking dismissal of the concept: https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=Y_e7rA4fBAo&t=10m20s  Wired mag on Honda's doubling down: http:\/\/www.wired.com\/2015\/10\/honda-clarity-hydrogen-fuel-cell-sales\/  So engineers who have enough experience to speak on this -- who do you think is wrong here?  Elon?  Honda?  Both?  Neither?  Explain...","c_root_id_A":"cwj12vd","c_root_id_B":"cwja2sv","created_at_utc_A":1446253530,"created_at_utc_B":1446276829,"score_A":4,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Here's some interesting reading on the use of catalysts to split water. The technology is always advancing. Hopefully, soon we can get this adapted for use in vehicals and made accessible to the public.   http:\/\/news.stanford.edu\/news\/2015\/june\/water-splitter-catalyst-062315.html","human_ref_B":"Hydrogen is essentially a fossil fuel. 95% of world hydrogen production comes from methane and coal. So it is not really clean energy, the CO2 is still being produced, it is just not coming from the car. And nobody in their right mind is ever going to do mass-scale electrolysis of water to make hydrogen for cars (and for good reason, that would be nuts), especially once energy becomes more scarce as fossil fuel supplies dwindle - wasting half of your energy on electrolysis (and as was mentioned, this is the physical limit, *best case efficiency*) when you could just use batteries and get twice as much out of the energy is just not going to be viable.  Yeah maybe there will be improvements in storage, but right now the hydrogen has to be pressurized to thousands of psi, and requires new transportation and infrastructure. Why invest in it when it is inefficient, not really renewable, and when electric vehicles with lithium ion batteries are already viable, and all they need for energy is to plug into the grid?  I think it's obvious that Musk is right, but as he said, just wait and see how it plays it. Because god knows everyone is going to disagree about this until it does.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":23299.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"3qwi3v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Elon Musk scoffs at the idea of mass hydrogen-based automotive infrastructure being practical. Honda doubles down on the technology. Who's wrong? Elon's rather mocking dismissal of the concept: https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=Y_e7rA4fBAo&t=10m20s  Wired mag on Honda's doubling down: http:\/\/www.wired.com\/2015\/10\/honda-clarity-hydrogen-fuel-cell-sales\/  So engineers who have enough experience to speak on this -- who do you think is wrong here?  Elon?  Honda?  Both?  Neither?  Explain...","c_root_id_A":"cwj16q5","c_root_id_B":"cwja2sv","created_at_utc_A":1446253724,"created_at_utc_B":1446276829,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Long story short, the gasoline engine beat out steam and electric cars at the turn of the century because it could start up fast and could be refilled to provide long range. With an electric car you can't just go on a long trip, you need to plan it based on charging stations\/locations and are limited in the distance you can cover.","human_ref_B":"Hydrogen is essentially a fossil fuel. 95% of world hydrogen production comes from methane and coal. So it is not really clean energy, the CO2 is still being produced, it is just not coming from the car. And nobody in their right mind is ever going to do mass-scale electrolysis of water to make hydrogen for cars (and for good reason, that would be nuts), especially once energy becomes more scarce as fossil fuel supplies dwindle - wasting half of your energy on electrolysis (and as was mentioned, this is the physical limit, *best case efficiency*) when you could just use batteries and get twice as much out of the energy is just not going to be viable.  Yeah maybe there will be improvements in storage, but right now the hydrogen has to be pressurized to thousands of psi, and requires new transportation and infrastructure. Why invest in it when it is inefficient, not really renewable, and when electric vehicles with lithium ion batteries are already viable, and all they need for energy is to plug into the grid?  I think it's obvious that Musk is right, but as he said, just wait and see how it plays it. Because god knows everyone is going to disagree about this until it does.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":23105.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"3qwi3v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Elon Musk scoffs at the idea of mass hydrogen-based automotive infrastructure being practical. Honda doubles down on the technology. Who's wrong? Elon's rather mocking dismissal of the concept: https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=Y_e7rA4fBAo&t=10m20s  Wired mag on Honda's doubling down: http:\/\/www.wired.com\/2015\/10\/honda-clarity-hydrogen-fuel-cell-sales\/  So engineers who have enough experience to speak on this -- who do you think is wrong here?  Elon?  Honda?  Both?  Neither?  Explain...","c_root_id_A":"cwja2sv","c_root_id_B":"cwja0po","created_at_utc_A":1446276829,"created_at_utc_B":1446276562,"score_A":5,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Hydrogen is essentially a fossil fuel. 95% of world hydrogen production comes from methane and coal. So it is not really clean energy, the CO2 is still being produced, it is just not coming from the car. And nobody in their right mind is ever going to do mass-scale electrolysis of water to make hydrogen for cars (and for good reason, that would be nuts), especially once energy becomes more scarce as fossil fuel supplies dwindle - wasting half of your energy on electrolysis (and as was mentioned, this is the physical limit, *best case efficiency*) when you could just use batteries and get twice as much out of the energy is just not going to be viable.  Yeah maybe there will be improvements in storage, but right now the hydrogen has to be pressurized to thousands of psi, and requires new transportation and infrastructure. Why invest in it when it is inefficient, not really renewable, and when electric vehicles with lithium ion batteries are already viable, and all they need for energy is to plug into the grid?  I think it's obvious that Musk is right, but as he said, just wait and see how it plays it. Because god knows everyone is going to disagree about this until it does.","human_ref_B":"Sometimes it's not the best tech that wins, remember VHS vs Betamax?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":267.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"2zygno","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"How are engineering mistakes handled internally at your company? I've seen and experienced this numerous times.   A young engineer will make a mistake, the mistake will go unnoticed until already implemented in the field, mistake is noticed by Senior Engineer in the field and corrected with a change order. Young engineer is rolled under the bus in front of the client, in front of peers, and called out.   For example, I've witnessed a coworker, 1 year out school (as am I) tell a Senior Engineer that safety valve X is located in position Y and needs to be moved to location Z. Senior Engineer tells him he is mistaken and keeps rolling along until the valve is installed improperly in the field. The client observes the incorrect installation, questions us about it, and the young engineer is thrown under the bus in front of the client for being \"inexperienced\".   I've seen it times and times before with my employer and I'm not sure if this is normal. I understand if management or senior engineering looks incompetent in front of the client, then the client would quickly lose faith in our firm. But I don't think our company's philosophy of blaming young engineers for mistakes is proper, especially when mistakes could have been prevented through peer reviews, double checking drawings, etc. In general, our work environment is sink or swim, there is no mentoring, or strong sense of guidance.   How are these misdemeanors handled at your work place?","c_root_id_A":"cpnqx1u","c_root_id_B":"cpnvg2j","created_at_utc_A":1427094688,"created_at_utc_B":1427114816,"score_A":7,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"At my company (electronic hardware) we have review meetings for each project milestone (e.g. engineering specs, schematics, layout, plus revisions).   The purpose of those reviews is to have the entire HW department give their approval before jumping into the next step in the design cycle. If something goes wrong, all the engineers in the group technically approved it.","human_ref_B":"> I understand if management or senior engineering looks incompetent in front of the client, then the client would quickly lose faith in our firm.  I think this is the thinking that results in a culture of being comfortable throwing a team member under the bus. I've been on the client side plenty of times - so long as its not an ethical problem, I don't care who caused the problem. I care about what's being done to solve it. For whatever reason, we ignore the fact that blame is unprofessional. Blame isn't a preventative measure, it doesn't solve the problem and its just not professional.   >But I don't think our company's philosophy of blaming young engineers for mistakes is proper, especially when mistakes could have been prevented through peer reviews, double checking drawings, etc.   The thing to remember is that mistakes will happen, even with all the things you've mentioned. Putting mechanisms in place to reduce the likelihood of mistakes is good, but it won't change how mistakes are handled.  Most of the problems we encounter are handled using Eight Disciplines as the process. Culturally, we put emphasis on finding the right solution in the right way -\"fix it forever.\"","labels":0,"seconds_difference":20128.0,"score_ratio":1.2857142857}
{"post_id":"2zygno","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"How are engineering mistakes handled internally at your company? I've seen and experienced this numerous times.   A young engineer will make a mistake, the mistake will go unnoticed until already implemented in the field, mistake is noticed by Senior Engineer in the field and corrected with a change order. Young engineer is rolled under the bus in front of the client, in front of peers, and called out.   For example, I've witnessed a coworker, 1 year out school (as am I) tell a Senior Engineer that safety valve X is located in position Y and needs to be moved to location Z. Senior Engineer tells him he is mistaken and keeps rolling along until the valve is installed improperly in the field. The client observes the incorrect installation, questions us about it, and the young engineer is thrown under the bus in front of the client for being \"inexperienced\".   I've seen it times and times before with my employer and I'm not sure if this is normal. I understand if management or senior engineering looks incompetent in front of the client, then the client would quickly lose faith in our firm. But I don't think our company's philosophy of blaming young engineers for mistakes is proper, especially when mistakes could have been prevented through peer reviews, double checking drawings, etc. In general, our work environment is sink or swim, there is no mentoring, or strong sense of guidance.   How are these misdemeanors handled at your work place?","c_root_id_A":"cpnvg2j","c_root_id_B":"cpnqfzx","created_at_utc_A":1427114816,"created_at_utc_B":1427092775,"score_A":9,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"> I understand if management or senior engineering looks incompetent in front of the client, then the client would quickly lose faith in our firm.  I think this is the thinking that results in a culture of being comfortable throwing a team member under the bus. I've been on the client side plenty of times - so long as its not an ethical problem, I don't care who caused the problem. I care about what's being done to solve it. For whatever reason, we ignore the fact that blame is unprofessional. Blame isn't a preventative measure, it doesn't solve the problem and its just not professional.   >But I don't think our company's philosophy of blaming young engineers for mistakes is proper, especially when mistakes could have been prevented through peer reviews, double checking drawings, etc.   The thing to remember is that mistakes will happen, even with all the things you've mentioned. Putting mechanisms in place to reduce the likelihood of mistakes is good, but it won't change how mistakes are handled.  Most of the problems we encounter are handled using Eight Disciplines as the process. Culturally, we put emphasis on finding the right solution in the right way -\"fix it forever.\"","human_ref_B":"I've worked at companies that take that approach with errors and I find them not to be the best in the long run or they end up paying lawyers lots of money due to mess ups.  The best company policy I've worked with is where everyone is allowed to see each others work and a senior engineer must review everything before it leaves the office.  The more eyes on it the less likely errors walk out the door.  It's a quality control process.  Junior engineers are mentored for years so they can develop good habits.  The phrase \"what can we learn from this\" is something that is common in that office.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":22041.0,"score_ratio":2.25}
{"post_id":"2zygno","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"How are engineering mistakes handled internally at your company? I've seen and experienced this numerous times.   A young engineer will make a mistake, the mistake will go unnoticed until already implemented in the field, mistake is noticed by Senior Engineer in the field and corrected with a change order. Young engineer is rolled under the bus in front of the client, in front of peers, and called out.   For example, I've witnessed a coworker, 1 year out school (as am I) tell a Senior Engineer that safety valve X is located in position Y and needs to be moved to location Z. Senior Engineer tells him he is mistaken and keeps rolling along until the valve is installed improperly in the field. The client observes the incorrect installation, questions us about it, and the young engineer is thrown under the bus in front of the client for being \"inexperienced\".   I've seen it times and times before with my employer and I'm not sure if this is normal. I understand if management or senior engineering looks incompetent in front of the client, then the client would quickly lose faith in our firm. But I don't think our company's philosophy of blaming young engineers for mistakes is proper, especially when mistakes could have been prevented through peer reviews, double checking drawings, etc. In general, our work environment is sink or swim, there is no mentoring, or strong sense of guidance.   How are these misdemeanors handled at your work place?","c_root_id_A":"cpnvg2j","c_root_id_B":"cpnswda","created_at_utc_A":1427114816,"created_at_utc_B":1427104434,"score_A":9,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"> I understand if management or senior engineering looks incompetent in front of the client, then the client would quickly lose faith in our firm.  I think this is the thinking that results in a culture of being comfortable throwing a team member under the bus. I've been on the client side plenty of times - so long as its not an ethical problem, I don't care who caused the problem. I care about what's being done to solve it. For whatever reason, we ignore the fact that blame is unprofessional. Blame isn't a preventative measure, it doesn't solve the problem and its just not professional.   >But I don't think our company's philosophy of blaming young engineers for mistakes is proper, especially when mistakes could have been prevented through peer reviews, double checking drawings, etc.   The thing to remember is that mistakes will happen, even with all the things you've mentioned. Putting mechanisms in place to reduce the likelihood of mistakes is good, but it won't change how mistakes are handled.  Most of the problems we encounter are handled using Eight Disciplines as the process. Culturally, we put emphasis on finding the right solution in the right way -\"fix it forever.\"","human_ref_B":"it's made very hard to happen due to the process of regular design review with consultation from design engineers, manufacturing engineers, applications engineers, customer engineers, design decisions are very open and honest, backed by sound engineering science, at least where I work, the process is continually reviewed with a gate system starting at Milestone (M0) to M6  and each gate has requirements for a new product that it has to pass to get to the next stage, http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Phase%E2%80%93gate_model see there for more  not that it never happens but its generally due to an unforeseen user application, than a design issue that arises from badly meeting the design intent.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10382.0,"score_ratio":4.5}
{"post_id":"2zygno","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"How are engineering mistakes handled internally at your company? I've seen and experienced this numerous times.   A young engineer will make a mistake, the mistake will go unnoticed until already implemented in the field, mistake is noticed by Senior Engineer in the field and corrected with a change order. Young engineer is rolled under the bus in front of the client, in front of peers, and called out.   For example, I've witnessed a coworker, 1 year out school (as am I) tell a Senior Engineer that safety valve X is located in position Y and needs to be moved to location Z. Senior Engineer tells him he is mistaken and keeps rolling along until the valve is installed improperly in the field. The client observes the incorrect installation, questions us about it, and the young engineer is thrown under the bus in front of the client for being \"inexperienced\".   I've seen it times and times before with my employer and I'm not sure if this is normal. I understand if management or senior engineering looks incompetent in front of the client, then the client would quickly lose faith in our firm. But I don't think our company's philosophy of blaming young engineers for mistakes is proper, especially when mistakes could have been prevented through peer reviews, double checking drawings, etc. In general, our work environment is sink or swim, there is no mentoring, or strong sense of guidance.   How are these misdemeanors handled at your work place?","c_root_id_A":"cpnvg2j","c_root_id_B":"cpntk7d","created_at_utc_A":1427114816,"created_at_utc_B":1427107796,"score_A":9,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"> I understand if management or senior engineering looks incompetent in front of the client, then the client would quickly lose faith in our firm.  I think this is the thinking that results in a culture of being comfortable throwing a team member under the bus. I've been on the client side plenty of times - so long as its not an ethical problem, I don't care who caused the problem. I care about what's being done to solve it. For whatever reason, we ignore the fact that blame is unprofessional. Blame isn't a preventative measure, it doesn't solve the problem and its just not professional.   >But I don't think our company's philosophy of blaming young engineers for mistakes is proper, especially when mistakes could have been prevented through peer reviews, double checking drawings, etc.   The thing to remember is that mistakes will happen, even with all the things you've mentioned. Putting mechanisms in place to reduce the likelihood of mistakes is good, but it won't change how mistakes are handled.  Most of the problems we encounter are handled using Eight Disciplines as the process. Culturally, we put emphasis on finding the right solution in the right way -\"fix it forever.\"","human_ref_B":"That guy is promoted to management.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7020.0,"score_ratio":4.5}
{"post_id":"2zygno","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"How are engineering mistakes handled internally at your company? I've seen and experienced this numerous times.   A young engineer will make a mistake, the mistake will go unnoticed until already implemented in the field, mistake is noticed by Senior Engineer in the field and corrected with a change order. Young engineer is rolled under the bus in front of the client, in front of peers, and called out.   For example, I've witnessed a coworker, 1 year out school (as am I) tell a Senior Engineer that safety valve X is located in position Y and needs to be moved to location Z. Senior Engineer tells him he is mistaken and keeps rolling along until the valve is installed improperly in the field. The client observes the incorrect installation, questions us about it, and the young engineer is thrown under the bus in front of the client for being \"inexperienced\".   I've seen it times and times before with my employer and I'm not sure if this is normal. I understand if management or senior engineering looks incompetent in front of the client, then the client would quickly lose faith in our firm. But I don't think our company's philosophy of blaming young engineers for mistakes is proper, especially when mistakes could have been prevented through peer reviews, double checking drawings, etc. In general, our work environment is sink or swim, there is no mentoring, or strong sense of guidance.   How are these misdemeanors handled at your work place?","c_root_id_A":"cpnvg2j","c_root_id_B":"cpnve1b","created_at_utc_A":1427114816,"created_at_utc_B":1427114652,"score_A":9,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"> I understand if management or senior engineering looks incompetent in front of the client, then the client would quickly lose faith in our firm.  I think this is the thinking that results in a culture of being comfortable throwing a team member under the bus. I've been on the client side plenty of times - so long as its not an ethical problem, I don't care who caused the problem. I care about what's being done to solve it. For whatever reason, we ignore the fact that blame is unprofessional. Blame isn't a preventative measure, it doesn't solve the problem and its just not professional.   >But I don't think our company's philosophy of blaming young engineers for mistakes is proper, especially when mistakes could have been prevented through peer reviews, double checking drawings, etc.   The thing to remember is that mistakes will happen, even with all the things you've mentioned. Putting mechanisms in place to reduce the likelihood of mistakes is good, but it won't change how mistakes are handled.  Most of the problems we encounter are handled using Eight Disciplines as the process. Culturally, we put emphasis on finding the right solution in the right way -\"fix it forever.\"","human_ref_B":"Engineering screwed up? Don't worry its maintenances problem now","labels":1,"seconds_difference":164.0,"score_ratio":4.5}
{"post_id":"2zygno","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"How are engineering mistakes handled internally at your company? I've seen and experienced this numerous times.   A young engineer will make a mistake, the mistake will go unnoticed until already implemented in the field, mistake is noticed by Senior Engineer in the field and corrected with a change order. Young engineer is rolled under the bus in front of the client, in front of peers, and called out.   For example, I've witnessed a coworker, 1 year out school (as am I) tell a Senior Engineer that safety valve X is located in position Y and needs to be moved to location Z. Senior Engineer tells him he is mistaken and keeps rolling along until the valve is installed improperly in the field. The client observes the incorrect installation, questions us about it, and the young engineer is thrown under the bus in front of the client for being \"inexperienced\".   I've seen it times and times before with my employer and I'm not sure if this is normal. I understand if management or senior engineering looks incompetent in front of the client, then the client would quickly lose faith in our firm. But I don't think our company's philosophy of blaming young engineers for mistakes is proper, especially when mistakes could have been prevented through peer reviews, double checking drawings, etc. In general, our work environment is sink or swim, there is no mentoring, or strong sense of guidance.   How are these misdemeanors handled at your work place?","c_root_id_A":"cpnqfzx","c_root_id_B":"cpnqx1u","created_at_utc_A":1427092775,"created_at_utc_B":1427094688,"score_A":4,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"I've worked at companies that take that approach with errors and I find them not to be the best in the long run or they end up paying lawyers lots of money due to mess ups.  The best company policy I've worked with is where everyone is allowed to see each others work and a senior engineer must review everything before it leaves the office.  The more eyes on it the less likely errors walk out the door.  It's a quality control process.  Junior engineers are mentored for years so they can develop good habits.  The phrase \"what can we learn from this\" is something that is common in that office.","human_ref_B":"At my company (electronic hardware) we have review meetings for each project milestone (e.g. engineering specs, schematics, layout, plus revisions).   The purpose of those reviews is to have the entire HW department give their approval before jumping into the next step in the design cycle. If something goes wrong, all the engineers in the group technically approved it.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1913.0,"score_ratio":1.75}
{"post_id":"2zygno","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"How are engineering mistakes handled internally at your company? I've seen and experienced this numerous times.   A young engineer will make a mistake, the mistake will go unnoticed until already implemented in the field, mistake is noticed by Senior Engineer in the field and corrected with a change order. Young engineer is rolled under the bus in front of the client, in front of peers, and called out.   For example, I've witnessed a coworker, 1 year out school (as am I) tell a Senior Engineer that safety valve X is located in position Y and needs to be moved to location Z. Senior Engineer tells him he is mistaken and keeps rolling along until the valve is installed improperly in the field. The client observes the incorrect installation, questions us about it, and the young engineer is thrown under the bus in front of the client for being \"inexperienced\".   I've seen it times and times before with my employer and I'm not sure if this is normal. I understand if management or senior engineering looks incompetent in front of the client, then the client would quickly lose faith in our firm. But I don't think our company's philosophy of blaming young engineers for mistakes is proper, especially when mistakes could have been prevented through peer reviews, double checking drawings, etc. In general, our work environment is sink or swim, there is no mentoring, or strong sense of guidance.   How are these misdemeanors handled at your work place?","c_root_id_A":"cpnswda","c_root_id_B":"cpnzjfh","created_at_utc_A":1427104434,"created_at_utc_B":1427123794,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"it's made very hard to happen due to the process of regular design review with consultation from design engineers, manufacturing engineers, applications engineers, customer engineers, design decisions are very open and honest, backed by sound engineering science, at least where I work, the process is continually reviewed with a gate system starting at Milestone (M0) to M6  and each gate has requirements for a new product that it has to pass to get to the next stage, http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Phase%E2%80%93gate_model see there for more  not that it never happens but its generally due to an unforeseen user application, than a design issue that arises from badly meeting the design intent.","human_ref_B":"What exactly happens when the jr. engineer is \"thrown under the bus?\"  Does the senior guy berate the person, like disciplining them verbally, explaining that that they will most likely be terminated when they return to the office, and industry wide blacklisting is all that can follow, or is it \"oh, we had the new guy on this...\" the new guys shrugs, the problem is fixed, and off you go to the next job?   I've worked with a lot of engineers who feel they were getting \"yelled at\" when really, it's a calm conversation where a superior tells the subordinate \"hey, we saw this problem.  Let's work through it to find the root cause, and then make sure it doesn't happen again.\"  To the jr. engineer, this was \"being yelled at\" and really hard for them to handle emotionally.    It's been my experience that most new engineers seem to spend a lot of time worrying about being wrong.  Sometimes, it even gets to the point where being \"right\" doesn't matter at all, as long as they're not \"wrong.\"  Like they don't accomplish anything, but by god, they weren't wrong, so at least they have that going for them.  They also seem to know all the answers to every question when the pressure is off, yet put them in charge, and suddenly the gravity of the situation hits, and now they don't have so many answers.    Maybe you've found some terrible situation with a psychopath Sr. Engineer as a boss to work for, but it seems more likely to me that you're taking little things more seriously than they're intended.  Unless thrown under the bus really is the first thing I guessed it to mean, everywhere I've been has seemed to suggest that mistakes aren't a big deal if you learn from them, and it's only when you seem unwilling or unable to learn from them, and that you repeat them that management starts to get serious about errors.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":19360.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"2zygno","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"How are engineering mistakes handled internally at your company? I've seen and experienced this numerous times.   A young engineer will make a mistake, the mistake will go unnoticed until already implemented in the field, mistake is noticed by Senior Engineer in the field and corrected with a change order. Young engineer is rolled under the bus in front of the client, in front of peers, and called out.   For example, I've witnessed a coworker, 1 year out school (as am I) tell a Senior Engineer that safety valve X is located in position Y and needs to be moved to location Z. Senior Engineer tells him he is mistaken and keeps rolling along until the valve is installed improperly in the field. The client observes the incorrect installation, questions us about it, and the young engineer is thrown under the bus in front of the client for being \"inexperienced\".   I've seen it times and times before with my employer and I'm not sure if this is normal. I understand if management or senior engineering looks incompetent in front of the client, then the client would quickly lose faith in our firm. But I don't think our company's philosophy of blaming young engineers for mistakes is proper, especially when mistakes could have been prevented through peer reviews, double checking drawings, etc. In general, our work environment is sink or swim, there is no mentoring, or strong sense of guidance.   How are these misdemeanors handled at your work place?","c_root_id_A":"cpnzjfh","c_root_id_B":"cpntk7d","created_at_utc_A":1427123794,"created_at_utc_B":1427107796,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"What exactly happens when the jr. engineer is \"thrown under the bus?\"  Does the senior guy berate the person, like disciplining them verbally, explaining that that they will most likely be terminated when they return to the office, and industry wide blacklisting is all that can follow, or is it \"oh, we had the new guy on this...\" the new guys shrugs, the problem is fixed, and off you go to the next job?   I've worked with a lot of engineers who feel they were getting \"yelled at\" when really, it's a calm conversation where a superior tells the subordinate \"hey, we saw this problem.  Let's work through it to find the root cause, and then make sure it doesn't happen again.\"  To the jr. engineer, this was \"being yelled at\" and really hard for them to handle emotionally.    It's been my experience that most new engineers seem to spend a lot of time worrying about being wrong.  Sometimes, it even gets to the point where being \"right\" doesn't matter at all, as long as they're not \"wrong.\"  Like they don't accomplish anything, but by god, they weren't wrong, so at least they have that going for them.  They also seem to know all the answers to every question when the pressure is off, yet put them in charge, and suddenly the gravity of the situation hits, and now they don't have so many answers.    Maybe you've found some terrible situation with a psychopath Sr. Engineer as a boss to work for, but it seems more likely to me that you're taking little things more seriously than they're intended.  Unless thrown under the bus really is the first thing I guessed it to mean, everywhere I've been has seemed to suggest that mistakes aren't a big deal if you learn from them, and it's only when you seem unwilling or unable to learn from them, and that you repeat them that management starts to get serious about errors.","human_ref_B":"That guy is promoted to management.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":15998.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"2zygno","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"How are engineering mistakes handled internally at your company? I've seen and experienced this numerous times.   A young engineer will make a mistake, the mistake will go unnoticed until already implemented in the field, mistake is noticed by Senior Engineer in the field and corrected with a change order. Young engineer is rolled under the bus in front of the client, in front of peers, and called out.   For example, I've witnessed a coworker, 1 year out school (as am I) tell a Senior Engineer that safety valve X is located in position Y and needs to be moved to location Z. Senior Engineer tells him he is mistaken and keeps rolling along until the valve is installed improperly in the field. The client observes the incorrect installation, questions us about it, and the young engineer is thrown under the bus in front of the client for being \"inexperienced\".   I've seen it times and times before with my employer and I'm not sure if this is normal. I understand if management or senior engineering looks incompetent in front of the client, then the client would quickly lose faith in our firm. But I don't think our company's philosophy of blaming young engineers for mistakes is proper, especially when mistakes could have been prevented through peer reviews, double checking drawings, etc. In general, our work environment is sink or swim, there is no mentoring, or strong sense of guidance.   How are these misdemeanors handled at your work place?","c_root_id_A":"cpnve1b","c_root_id_B":"cpnzjfh","created_at_utc_A":1427114652,"created_at_utc_B":1427123794,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Engineering screwed up? Don't worry its maintenances problem now","human_ref_B":"What exactly happens when the jr. engineer is \"thrown under the bus?\"  Does the senior guy berate the person, like disciplining them verbally, explaining that that they will most likely be terminated when they return to the office, and industry wide blacklisting is all that can follow, or is it \"oh, we had the new guy on this...\" the new guys shrugs, the problem is fixed, and off you go to the next job?   I've worked with a lot of engineers who feel they were getting \"yelled at\" when really, it's a calm conversation where a superior tells the subordinate \"hey, we saw this problem.  Let's work through it to find the root cause, and then make sure it doesn't happen again.\"  To the jr. engineer, this was \"being yelled at\" and really hard for them to handle emotionally.    It's been my experience that most new engineers seem to spend a lot of time worrying about being wrong.  Sometimes, it even gets to the point where being \"right\" doesn't matter at all, as long as they're not \"wrong.\"  Like they don't accomplish anything, but by god, they weren't wrong, so at least they have that going for them.  They also seem to know all the answers to every question when the pressure is off, yet put them in charge, and suddenly the gravity of the situation hits, and now they don't have so many answers.    Maybe you've found some terrible situation with a psychopath Sr. Engineer as a boss to work for, but it seems more likely to me that you're taking little things more seriously than they're intended.  Unless thrown under the bus really is the first thing I guessed it to mean, everywhere I've been has seemed to suggest that mistakes aren't a big deal if you learn from them, and it's only when you seem unwilling or unable to learn from them, and that you repeat them that management starts to get serious about errors.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9142.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"2zygno","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"How are engineering mistakes handled internally at your company? I've seen and experienced this numerous times.   A young engineer will make a mistake, the mistake will go unnoticed until already implemented in the field, mistake is noticed by Senior Engineer in the field and corrected with a change order. Young engineer is rolled under the bus in front of the client, in front of peers, and called out.   For example, I've witnessed a coworker, 1 year out school (as am I) tell a Senior Engineer that safety valve X is located in position Y and needs to be moved to location Z. Senior Engineer tells him he is mistaken and keeps rolling along until the valve is installed improperly in the field. The client observes the incorrect installation, questions us about it, and the young engineer is thrown under the bus in front of the client for being \"inexperienced\".   I've seen it times and times before with my employer and I'm not sure if this is normal. I understand if management or senior engineering looks incompetent in front of the client, then the client would quickly lose faith in our firm. But I don't think our company's philosophy of blaming young engineers for mistakes is proper, especially when mistakes could have been prevented through peer reviews, double checking drawings, etc. In general, our work environment is sink or swim, there is no mentoring, or strong sense of guidance.   How are these misdemeanors handled at your work place?","c_root_id_A":"cpnx69c","c_root_id_B":"cpnzjfh","created_at_utc_A":1427119168,"created_at_utc_B":1427123794,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"It is completely inappropriate to throw someone under a bus like that. Either you collectively take responsibility, or the lead for the project takes responsibility to the client and then privately speaks with the jr engineer about the issue.   Thankfully my company doesn't really have clients and is a manufacturing company on its own. We're HIGHLY regulated, so there is a TON of testing that goes into things before they're released. If there is an issue, basically the whole team is held accountable.","human_ref_B":"What exactly happens when the jr. engineer is \"thrown under the bus?\"  Does the senior guy berate the person, like disciplining them verbally, explaining that that they will most likely be terminated when they return to the office, and industry wide blacklisting is all that can follow, or is it \"oh, we had the new guy on this...\" the new guys shrugs, the problem is fixed, and off you go to the next job?   I've worked with a lot of engineers who feel they were getting \"yelled at\" when really, it's a calm conversation where a superior tells the subordinate \"hey, we saw this problem.  Let's work through it to find the root cause, and then make sure it doesn't happen again.\"  To the jr. engineer, this was \"being yelled at\" and really hard for them to handle emotionally.    It's been my experience that most new engineers seem to spend a lot of time worrying about being wrong.  Sometimes, it even gets to the point where being \"right\" doesn't matter at all, as long as they're not \"wrong.\"  Like they don't accomplish anything, but by god, they weren't wrong, so at least they have that going for them.  They also seem to know all the answers to every question when the pressure is off, yet put them in charge, and suddenly the gravity of the situation hits, and now they don't have so many answers.    Maybe you've found some terrible situation with a psychopath Sr. Engineer as a boss to work for, but it seems more likely to me that you're taking little things more seriously than they're intended.  Unless thrown under the bus really is the first thing I guessed it to mean, everywhere I've been has seemed to suggest that mistakes aren't a big deal if you learn from them, and it's only when you seem unwilling or unable to learn from them, and that you repeat them that management starts to get serious about errors.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4626.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"y18w86","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Programming Language to Blend Programming w\/ Manufacturing Currently working as an Industrial \/ Manufacturing Engineer at a small company. Thinking about changing my career path and picking up programming.  I\u2019m versed in VBA (excel) and have made a few userform data collection + analysis \u201cprograms\u201d due to software restrictions in the mfg space.  Ideally I want a new position in another company where I blend computer programming with my manufacturing knowledge; do jobs like this exist? What language would be best for a role like this? What other programming languages do manufacturing companies utilize?","c_root_id_A":"irwf2tc","c_root_id_B":"irw4w2b","created_at_utc_A":1665502180,"created_at_utc_B":1665497976,"score_A":7,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Automation Engineers\/Controls Engineers can work in most industries and can program control systems for single machines or entire plants. Usually they work side by side with electrical engineers (some are electrical engineers themselves by degree). This position can sometimes be seen as more of a technician role though, depending on the company and industry. Most commonly used programming languages from my experience is ladder logic which is a language used to program a PLC","human_ref_B":"Without any other considerations, the best language would be C, you can't go wrong learning it.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4204.0,"score_ratio":3.5}
{"post_id":"y18w86","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Programming Language to Blend Programming w\/ Manufacturing Currently working as an Industrial \/ Manufacturing Engineer at a small company. Thinking about changing my career path and picking up programming.  I\u2019m versed in VBA (excel) and have made a few userform data collection + analysis \u201cprograms\u201d due to software restrictions in the mfg space.  Ideally I want a new position in another company where I blend computer programming with my manufacturing knowledge; do jobs like this exist? What language would be best for a role like this? What other programming languages do manufacturing companies utilize?","c_root_id_A":"irxedyu","c_root_id_B":"irw4w2b","created_at_utc_A":1665515920,"created_at_utc_B":1665497976,"score_A":7,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Commenting because I\u2019m also looking at going into some field that can somehow combine programming, electronics, and manufacturing","human_ref_B":"Without any other considerations, the best language would be C, you can't go wrong learning it.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":17944.0,"score_ratio":3.5}
{"post_id":"y18w86","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Programming Language to Blend Programming w\/ Manufacturing Currently working as an Industrial \/ Manufacturing Engineer at a small company. Thinking about changing my career path and picking up programming.  I\u2019m versed in VBA (excel) and have made a few userform data collection + analysis \u201cprograms\u201d due to software restrictions in the mfg space.  Ideally I want a new position in another company where I blend computer programming with my manufacturing knowledge; do jobs like this exist? What language would be best for a role like this? What other programming languages do manufacturing companies utilize?","c_root_id_A":"irys3iq","c_root_id_B":"irw4w2b","created_at_utc_A":1665537107,"created_at_utc_B":1665497976,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"So you explained my position to a tee basically.  My official title is process control engineer and I work in a steel mill. I graduated with a computer engineering degree.  I write standalone applications using C#.net for our new stuff. I also am well versed in modicon and Allen bradly PLCs. We do everything in ladder logic.   Most the time our standalone applications communicate with our PLCs when needed. I\u2019ve done anything from new to fine tuning PLC logic, to writing camera measurement systems using C#.net.  If you have any questions, I\u2019m willing to answer them for you.","human_ref_B":"Without any other considerations, the best language would be C, you can't go wrong learning it.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":39131.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"y18w86","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Programming Language to Blend Programming w\/ Manufacturing Currently working as an Industrial \/ Manufacturing Engineer at a small company. Thinking about changing my career path and picking up programming.  I\u2019m versed in VBA (excel) and have made a few userform data collection + analysis \u201cprograms\u201d due to software restrictions in the mfg space.  Ideally I want a new position in another company where I blend computer programming with my manufacturing knowledge; do jobs like this exist? What language would be best for a role like this? What other programming languages do manufacturing companies utilize?","c_root_id_A":"iry07p4","c_root_id_B":"irys3iq","created_at_utc_A":1665524386,"created_at_utc_B":1665537107,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Usually the kind of stuff you are talking about is done by system admins for the various software that runs the company.  Like a SAP application engineer or something.  Become \"the Oracle guy\" or whatever.  '  Otherwise like others said controls\/process engineering is a good place to look.  '  Plc programming, python, c++, and from the sounds of it rust might not be bad languages to explore.","human_ref_B":"So you explained my position to a tee basically.  My official title is process control engineer and I work in a steel mill. I graduated with a computer engineering degree.  I write standalone applications using C#.net for our new stuff. I also am well versed in modicon and Allen bradly PLCs. We do everything in ladder logic.   Most the time our standalone applications communicate with our PLCs when needed. I\u2019ve done anything from new to fine tuning PLC logic, to writing camera measurement systems using C#.net.  If you have any questions, I\u2019m willing to answer them for you.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":12721.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"y18w86","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Programming Language to Blend Programming w\/ Manufacturing Currently working as an Industrial \/ Manufacturing Engineer at a small company. Thinking about changing my career path and picking up programming.  I\u2019m versed in VBA (excel) and have made a few userform data collection + analysis \u201cprograms\u201d due to software restrictions in the mfg space.  Ideally I want a new position in another company where I blend computer programming with my manufacturing knowledge; do jobs like this exist? What language would be best for a role like this? What other programming languages do manufacturing companies utilize?","c_root_id_A":"iryc1tr","c_root_id_B":"irys3iq","created_at_utc_A":1665529706,"created_at_utc_B":1665537107,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"PLC programming would be what controls the machine\/lines doing the manufacturing and providing limited user interface. By in large it is assembly language and structured text, but each hardware manufacturer has their own front-end software. There are lots of for free ways to get minimal exposure to it.  A Lot of threading goes on between PLC's and other site software for things like production\/scrap totals and inventory. This is more for controls and electrical engineers.   MES or MRP software may be more what you are interested in. They are more site specific in regard to setup and layout but generally they all work the same. If you want to stay in the MFG. engineer role this is more where I suggest you focus.","human_ref_B":"So you explained my position to a tee basically.  My official title is process control engineer and I work in a steel mill. I graduated with a computer engineering degree.  I write standalone applications using C#.net for our new stuff. I also am well versed in modicon and Allen bradly PLCs. We do everything in ladder logic.   Most the time our standalone applications communicate with our PLCs when needed. I\u2019ve done anything from new to fine tuning PLC logic, to writing camera measurement systems using C#.net.  If you have any questions, I\u2019m willing to answer them for you.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7401.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"b9uhm8","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How to go about quitting a team you are a vital member of? A little background, overall I like the people I work with and my boss, however I don't particularly like my job. We are working on a smallish project that is vital to the company's future. I have been with the company for 3 years and at the beginning of the year transitioned to a role where I support this project full time, where for the previous 8 months or so I was doing my normal job as a production engineer and lending my time to this project. Presently I am the only local engineering support for the project. We have technical support in another state and the project manager lives in a third state. There are other people onsite supporting the project who are very experienced in this technology, just none of them are engineers.  There are a few reasons that I want to quit. The first is that I am just not happy in my location. I have been here 8 years now and we have been feeling for a while like it is time for me and my wife to move on. I would like to live in a place that facilitates our hobbies, which my current location doesn't. My company has only one location that I would consider moving to, but that leads to my next point. If I were to stay with the company and move to this location I would probably have to move into a technical support role, which I initially thought I wanted as my career path, however, if I did that I would likely support the same technology for my entire career until either it is phased out or I retire. The idea of that is pretty depressing to me. I am not particularly passionate about what we make and I feel like there is something better that I could be doing. In other words, I am just not happy with my prospects here or elsewhere with my company.   I am also awaiting a decision regarding my application to a Master's program that I would pursue online while I continue my work. If I get in, upon completion I would likely change fields.   The current plan has the project completing at the end of 2019, however, I think that is too optimistic and projects in my company tend to take longer than they are planned.   The timeline that I am looking at is sticking around, supporting the project, and then quitting around this time a year from now when my wife completes her doctorate. Best case scenario, the project is returned to operations between late 2019 and early 2020 and there is minor post work that needs to be addressed and then I can be honest with my boss about my intentions to leave, find a location that I am happier in, and find work in my future field. However, I am far more concerned about the worst case scenario, where the project is delayed and I will be looking to leave before the project is completed. The local and remote support would be able to carry out the project to completion, but I am already feeling some strange pre-guilt about the concept.  Has anyone been in a similar situation? Can anyone help me navigate this complicated situation?","c_root_id_A":"ek7kvuu","c_root_id_B":"ek78z4j","created_at_utc_A":1554503152,"created_at_utc_B":1554494620,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"As someone who was once a \"vital\" member of a project, the first thing you must realize is that you're not as vital as you think you are.  You probably contribute a significant amount because you're there.  This gives the perception that the project would fall apart without you.    You're not that vital.  The company and the project will March on without you.  Those experienced people supporting the project will carry the project until they hire another engineer to take your place.    So, don't feel guilty about leaving.  Do what's best for you.","human_ref_B":"I found that telling my bosses (to all of whom I had a good relationship) as early as possible of my plans helped. It gives them time to adjust, and often they would hire or reassign someone new early enough to give him a good introduction to your field of specialty.  When I was planning a year long world trip, I was telling everyone things as soon as I knew.  That way, when you hand in your notice and they claim they can't replace you in that short time, you can point out to them that you warned them early enough.   Depending on your boss, you might even want do that in written form. Take the template posted earlier and just increase the number of days. Nobody should complain if you give a 90 days notice instead of 30. Tell them you want to work with them to make the transition easy. Tell them you got that Master's program as early as possible.  I always claimed personal reasons for leaving a company to keep all doors open. I try not to burn bridges. In my case, I usually got a better offer to keep me in the job I was doing. Be prepared for it. It will also show you how much they think you are worth to the company (might be a quite a bit more than you are currently getting too). Thank them for it. Consider it earnestly. And, since you obviously still want to leave, explain to them that while the offer is enticing, your personal goals would be compromised by accepting that offer.  When feedback questions (in my cases it always did) come up, be prepared. Maybe even have a list prepared. And try to formulate it in a way that it does not incriminate anyone. You will still keep on working with those guys for a while.  Ideally you can name a candidate well suited to take over your role. That was never possible for me, but it would show thoughtfulness and willingness on your side.   Good luck with your plans!   Background: I've worked in several startups over relatively short times (less than a year in each) and always became a key member with a lot of knowledge in one field or another, which for reasons out of my control then turned out to be a field only I knew (One time a long time specialist left the company, and only scarcely documented his work, another time the CTO of a 4 people company fell out with the CEO and left). I also felt bad that I was leaving, since it was for personal travel and study purposes (so entirely my fault). I usually had a great relagionship with all coworkers and bosses, even if they had a few strange habits which bugged me. And I was convinced by the companies products. I just knew that if I didn't get on with my studies\/travels at that point I would never do them.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8532.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"3113nf","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What sorts of things can you do with a PhD in engineering that you can't do with an MS or BS? Hi everyone, I am currently finishing my master's in electrical engineering am trying to think of what type of PhD I want and what sort of cool things I could maybe do with it. For my undergraduate I double majored in both electrical and mechanical engineering and minored in computer science. Then I started my MSEE and am considering many different areas for a PhD. I considered electrical, but I kind of want to broaden my abilities even further and go for a PhD in something else - maybe particle physics (maybe CERN?) or systems engineering.  Anyways, what sorts of cool jobs or fields could I involve myself in given my background assuming I had a PhD in said fields? I enjoy research and I love engineering so I'm not 'in it for the money' and in fact know that I will be poor for the greater duration of the degree.","c_root_id_A":"cpxtgz4","c_root_id_B":"cpxo9em","created_at_utc_A":1427898261,"created_at_utc_B":1427882861,"score_A":75,"score_B":70,"human_ref_A":"There is always a lot of misinformation on this topic. I think \/u\/BigBrainMonkey said it best in this thread. I recently attained a job in industry after graduating with a PhD in ME with a focus on mechanics of materials. So, my experience is related to the types of positions for that field.  First of all, let's focus on why you want to get the PhD. You *do not* get a PhD because you think it's going to open up a world of possibilities in that everyone will want to hire you. You get a PhD because you love working on very difficult specific problems which have very likely not even been attempted before. You also like to get to a fundamental understanding behind these problems. You can see how this description aligns perfectly with research. It also opens up a world outside of research pertaining to the most difficult technical challenges an industry or company might encounter.  So, where you work after finishing the PhD? There are 3 primary areas as I see it: (1) academia, (2) national labs, and (3) industry.  * Academia - teaching and research. Currently, it is very difficult to get a tenure-track academic position. The upside of academia is you define your own work and collaborate with some of the best minds in a subject area. The downside is become a glorified program manager immediately - you don't do most of the work, your students do. You are also constantly fighting for funding. Also, normally before you can get a tenure track position you need to complete a 2-3 year stint as a post-doc. * National Lab - research and project work. The work at national labs is fairly varied but you still get to do research-type work. Most national labs require you to enter as a post-doc and then offer you a full-time position as a staff scientist after 1-2 years depending on appointment and the specific lab. The downside is many of these jobs require a security clearance so it's limited to US citizens. The culture at different labs varies greatly and no one is the same as another, e.g., LLNL is very different from ORNL. * Industry - almost all project work. One professor I know has said the age of true industrial research is gone, which in reality is not a bad thing. There are many good and bad things that people have hinted at in this thread. To be honest, this is the area I am least familiar with at this point, but I'll go through some points that I have been brought up by others and what I can say from my experience and the experience of the many PhDs I know who went to work in industry. It's important to note when looking at positions in industry you should take not of some advice I was given by an acquaintance at the NRC. In more or less words: \"I don't hire PhDs for what they currently know and what their academic research topic was. I hire them because the PhD is effectively a license to solve very difficult, ill-defined problems which have no prior answer and push the bounds of current engineering knowledge.\"   I'll try and go through some things about industry:  * \"You are too qualified for most positions and your opportunities are limited\" - This is absolutely 100% true. You are too qualified for most positions and because of that you have limited your opportunities. But, let's assume you got your PhD for the right reasons - research\/advanced development oriented work. So, do you really want those jobs? Do you really want to do the normal BS qualified test engineer position? It's not a knock on those positions at all, you just have to make sure you get the PhD knowing full well that you want to do \"research-type\" work. So, even if you were able to get those jobs on an equal playing field, you wouldn't want to do them anyways. * \"In my experience, mostly heavy industries, outside of advanced development and research there very few PhDs around\" - This is again absolutely true. Why would a company want to pay the premium that a PhD demands when they can have someone with a BS or MS do the same work just as effectively. The PhD holds its weight in positions which are normally highly analytical or computational heavy. Projects or areas that would require more specific training and in-depth knowledge. This is what your PhD gives you, the knowledge to solve these very difficult problems. The PhD also says that you can effectively self-teach yourself very difficult new topics. This is what you did during your dissertation research, is it not? You taught yourself to the edge of knowledge of a very specific topic. This has shown you can do this and could do it again. * \"Be commissioned and trusted to develop entirely new methods, or technologies\" - Again, this absolutely true. As I just said above, you know how to push the edge of the unknown. * \"Many employers will be afraid to hire you for fear of you leaving when you realize you are making the same as your BS\/MS counterparts\" - If you encounter this, then you're looking in the wrong places. The places that know they need PhDs will know what they're looking for and won't be afraid to hire a PhD. You'll also be paid appropriate for the PhD. There are websites which list the starting salaries of PhDs in different fields, etc. I know the average starting salary of an ME PhD is right around $90k, with that going up or down based on industry and location. The average starting post-doc at a national lab is around $72k, I believe. Is it going to be harder to find a job? Significantly harder but that's because there's significantly less of them available which are appropriate for you. * \"NASA and JPL have position that require at least a masters. Some even require a phd.\" - These are effectively the positions you're looking at when you're looking for jobs. Look around at the jobs postings at most large companies including JPL, SpaceX, Boeing, Lockheed, GM, GE, etc. You'll see a decent number of positions that are MS required, PhD preferred (note, they even have a decent number of 0 year experience entry level positions with these requirements). A majority of these positions will be computationally focused - think FEA and CFD. Look around at these to get a sense of the jobs that are available to PhDs. * \"You go for industries which look for a specific qualification and there are some of them in which is easier to go up in the 'ranking' thanks to a Ph.D.\" - This is the last point I wanted to make. By having a PhD, you no longer have a ceiling on the technical track at most companies. You'll notice the more senior technical positions will start requiring MS and PhD. Also, these positions are significantly more saturated with PhDs than at the less senior levels.  I hope this helps some. I know it's a wall of text, but I just wanted to give some context from the PhD side of things since we are likely going to underrepresented in a sub like this. If there's any PhDs with more experience in industry, feel free to come by and kick the shit out of my answers. This is just my opinion from my own experience and experience of others I know.  As a note, from personal experience, the job I recently attained is not in a company's research lab. I accepted a position doing high strain rate computational mechanics focusing on fracture phenomena for a large company. The position is in the advanced development arm of the company. FWIW, during the hiring process, the manager told me that they are now hiring a minimum MS with a strong preference for PhDs. Apparently, BS level hires, even with some experience, were not working out doing this work for one reason or another. That's just my experience and I'm entirely sure if it's typical or atypical.","human_ref_B":"Get called \"Doc\" or \"The Doctor\" by all your coworkers.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":15400.0,"score_ratio":1.0714285714}
{"post_id":"3113nf","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What sorts of things can you do with a PhD in engineering that you can't do with an MS or BS? Hi everyone, I am currently finishing my master's in electrical engineering am trying to think of what type of PhD I want and what sort of cool things I could maybe do with it. For my undergraduate I double majored in both electrical and mechanical engineering and minored in computer science. Then I started my MSEE and am considering many different areas for a PhD. I considered electrical, but I kind of want to broaden my abilities even further and go for a PhD in something else - maybe particle physics (maybe CERN?) or systems engineering.  Anyways, what sorts of cool jobs or fields could I involve myself in given my background assuming I had a PhD in said fields? I enjoy research and I love engineering so I'm not 'in it for the money' and in fact know that I will be poor for the greater duration of the degree.","c_root_id_A":"cpxtgz4","c_root_id_B":"cpxmddx","created_at_utc_A":1427898261,"created_at_utc_B":1427873843,"score_A":75,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"There is always a lot of misinformation on this topic. I think \/u\/BigBrainMonkey said it best in this thread. I recently attained a job in industry after graduating with a PhD in ME with a focus on mechanics of materials. So, my experience is related to the types of positions for that field.  First of all, let's focus on why you want to get the PhD. You *do not* get a PhD because you think it's going to open up a world of possibilities in that everyone will want to hire you. You get a PhD because you love working on very difficult specific problems which have very likely not even been attempted before. You also like to get to a fundamental understanding behind these problems. You can see how this description aligns perfectly with research. It also opens up a world outside of research pertaining to the most difficult technical challenges an industry or company might encounter.  So, where you work after finishing the PhD? There are 3 primary areas as I see it: (1) academia, (2) national labs, and (3) industry.  * Academia - teaching and research. Currently, it is very difficult to get a tenure-track academic position. The upside of academia is you define your own work and collaborate with some of the best minds in a subject area. The downside is become a glorified program manager immediately - you don't do most of the work, your students do. You are also constantly fighting for funding. Also, normally before you can get a tenure track position you need to complete a 2-3 year stint as a post-doc. * National Lab - research and project work. The work at national labs is fairly varied but you still get to do research-type work. Most national labs require you to enter as a post-doc and then offer you a full-time position as a staff scientist after 1-2 years depending on appointment and the specific lab. The downside is many of these jobs require a security clearance so it's limited to US citizens. The culture at different labs varies greatly and no one is the same as another, e.g., LLNL is very different from ORNL. * Industry - almost all project work. One professor I know has said the age of true industrial research is gone, which in reality is not a bad thing. There are many good and bad things that people have hinted at in this thread. To be honest, this is the area I am least familiar with at this point, but I'll go through some points that I have been brought up by others and what I can say from my experience and the experience of the many PhDs I know who went to work in industry. It's important to note when looking at positions in industry you should take not of some advice I was given by an acquaintance at the NRC. In more or less words: \"I don't hire PhDs for what they currently know and what their academic research topic was. I hire them because the PhD is effectively a license to solve very difficult, ill-defined problems which have no prior answer and push the bounds of current engineering knowledge.\"   I'll try and go through some things about industry:  * \"You are too qualified for most positions and your opportunities are limited\" - This is absolutely 100% true. You are too qualified for most positions and because of that you have limited your opportunities. But, let's assume you got your PhD for the right reasons - research\/advanced development oriented work. So, do you really want those jobs? Do you really want to do the normal BS qualified test engineer position? It's not a knock on those positions at all, you just have to make sure you get the PhD knowing full well that you want to do \"research-type\" work. So, even if you were able to get those jobs on an equal playing field, you wouldn't want to do them anyways. * \"In my experience, mostly heavy industries, outside of advanced development and research there very few PhDs around\" - This is again absolutely true. Why would a company want to pay the premium that a PhD demands when they can have someone with a BS or MS do the same work just as effectively. The PhD holds its weight in positions which are normally highly analytical or computational heavy. Projects or areas that would require more specific training and in-depth knowledge. This is what your PhD gives you, the knowledge to solve these very difficult problems. The PhD also says that you can effectively self-teach yourself very difficult new topics. This is what you did during your dissertation research, is it not? You taught yourself to the edge of knowledge of a very specific topic. This has shown you can do this and could do it again. * \"Be commissioned and trusted to develop entirely new methods, or technologies\" - Again, this absolutely true. As I just said above, you know how to push the edge of the unknown. * \"Many employers will be afraid to hire you for fear of you leaving when you realize you are making the same as your BS\/MS counterparts\" - If you encounter this, then you're looking in the wrong places. The places that know they need PhDs will know what they're looking for and won't be afraid to hire a PhD. You'll also be paid appropriate for the PhD. There are websites which list the starting salaries of PhDs in different fields, etc. I know the average starting salary of an ME PhD is right around $90k, with that going up or down based on industry and location. The average starting post-doc at a national lab is around $72k, I believe. Is it going to be harder to find a job? Significantly harder but that's because there's significantly less of them available which are appropriate for you. * \"NASA and JPL have position that require at least a masters. Some even require a phd.\" - These are effectively the positions you're looking at when you're looking for jobs. Look around at the jobs postings at most large companies including JPL, SpaceX, Boeing, Lockheed, GM, GE, etc. You'll see a decent number of positions that are MS required, PhD preferred (note, they even have a decent number of 0 year experience entry level positions with these requirements). A majority of these positions will be computationally focused - think FEA and CFD. Look around at these to get a sense of the jobs that are available to PhDs. * \"You go for industries which look for a specific qualification and there are some of them in which is easier to go up in the 'ranking' thanks to a Ph.D.\" - This is the last point I wanted to make. By having a PhD, you no longer have a ceiling on the technical track at most companies. You'll notice the more senior technical positions will start requiring MS and PhD. Also, these positions are significantly more saturated with PhDs than at the less senior levels.  I hope this helps some. I know it's a wall of text, but I just wanted to give some context from the PhD side of things since we are likely going to underrepresented in a sub like this. If there's any PhDs with more experience in industry, feel free to come by and kick the shit out of my answers. This is just my opinion from my own experience and experience of others I know.  As a note, from personal experience, the job I recently attained is not in a company's research lab. I accepted a position doing high strain rate computational mechanics focusing on fracture phenomena for a large company. The position is in the advanced development arm of the company. FWIW, during the hiring process, the manager told me that they are now hiring a minimum MS with a strong preference for PhDs. Apparently, BS level hires, even with some experience, were not working out doing this work for one reason or another. That's just my experience and I'm entirely sure if it's typical or atypical.","human_ref_B":"If you want to go into academic (i.e. becoming a Professor) you NEED a Ph.D.. There is no other way to become a professor than going through a Ph.D.  On the other side, if you have a Ph.D. you can find yourself in 2 different situations when you apply for a REAL JOB in industry for example:  1. You are too qualified for them, you are too specific into a subject and they want someone who is less qualified because too much qualification the most of the times means a higher salary (usually you can't pay a MS as a PhD).   2. You go for industries which look for a specific qualification and there are some of them in which is easier to go up in the 'ranking' thanks to a Ph.D.. Let's make an example: you want to work at Mercedes in Germany, it is likely that the chiefs of the projects have a PhD and to be a chief of a project you need, or at least is better to have, a PhD.   Hope it was helpful","labels":1,"seconds_difference":24418.0,"score_ratio":6.8181818182}
{"post_id":"3113nf","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What sorts of things can you do with a PhD in engineering that you can't do with an MS or BS? Hi everyone, I am currently finishing my master's in electrical engineering am trying to think of what type of PhD I want and what sort of cool things I could maybe do with it. For my undergraduate I double majored in both electrical and mechanical engineering and minored in computer science. Then I started my MSEE and am considering many different areas for a PhD. I considered electrical, but I kind of want to broaden my abilities even further and go for a PhD in something else - maybe particle physics (maybe CERN?) or systems engineering.  Anyways, what sorts of cool jobs or fields could I involve myself in given my background assuming I had a PhD in said fields? I enjoy research and I love engineering so I'm not 'in it for the money' and in fact know that I will be poor for the greater duration of the degree.","c_root_id_A":"cpxrf76","c_root_id_B":"cpxtgz4","created_at_utc_A":1427893918,"created_at_utc_B":1427898261,"score_A":9,"score_B":75,"human_ref_A":"It sounds backwards, but a PhD can actually limit your job opportunities.  As others have mentioned you become overqualified for most engineering jobs, and many employers will be afraid to hire you for fear of you leaving when you realize you are making the same as your BS\/MS counterparts.","human_ref_B":"There is always a lot of misinformation on this topic. I think \/u\/BigBrainMonkey said it best in this thread. I recently attained a job in industry after graduating with a PhD in ME with a focus on mechanics of materials. So, my experience is related to the types of positions for that field.  First of all, let's focus on why you want to get the PhD. You *do not* get a PhD because you think it's going to open up a world of possibilities in that everyone will want to hire you. You get a PhD because you love working on very difficult specific problems which have very likely not even been attempted before. You also like to get to a fundamental understanding behind these problems. You can see how this description aligns perfectly with research. It also opens up a world outside of research pertaining to the most difficult technical challenges an industry or company might encounter.  So, where you work after finishing the PhD? There are 3 primary areas as I see it: (1) academia, (2) national labs, and (3) industry.  * Academia - teaching and research. Currently, it is very difficult to get a tenure-track academic position. The upside of academia is you define your own work and collaborate with some of the best minds in a subject area. The downside is become a glorified program manager immediately - you don't do most of the work, your students do. You are also constantly fighting for funding. Also, normally before you can get a tenure track position you need to complete a 2-3 year stint as a post-doc. * National Lab - research and project work. The work at national labs is fairly varied but you still get to do research-type work. Most national labs require you to enter as a post-doc and then offer you a full-time position as a staff scientist after 1-2 years depending on appointment and the specific lab. The downside is many of these jobs require a security clearance so it's limited to US citizens. The culture at different labs varies greatly and no one is the same as another, e.g., LLNL is very different from ORNL. * Industry - almost all project work. One professor I know has said the age of true industrial research is gone, which in reality is not a bad thing. There are many good and bad things that people have hinted at in this thread. To be honest, this is the area I am least familiar with at this point, but I'll go through some points that I have been brought up by others and what I can say from my experience and the experience of the many PhDs I know who went to work in industry. It's important to note when looking at positions in industry you should take not of some advice I was given by an acquaintance at the NRC. In more or less words: \"I don't hire PhDs for what they currently know and what their academic research topic was. I hire them because the PhD is effectively a license to solve very difficult, ill-defined problems which have no prior answer and push the bounds of current engineering knowledge.\"   I'll try and go through some things about industry:  * \"You are too qualified for most positions and your opportunities are limited\" - This is absolutely 100% true. You are too qualified for most positions and because of that you have limited your opportunities. But, let's assume you got your PhD for the right reasons - research\/advanced development oriented work. So, do you really want those jobs? Do you really want to do the normal BS qualified test engineer position? It's not a knock on those positions at all, you just have to make sure you get the PhD knowing full well that you want to do \"research-type\" work. So, even if you were able to get those jobs on an equal playing field, you wouldn't want to do them anyways. * \"In my experience, mostly heavy industries, outside of advanced development and research there very few PhDs around\" - This is again absolutely true. Why would a company want to pay the premium that a PhD demands when they can have someone with a BS or MS do the same work just as effectively. The PhD holds its weight in positions which are normally highly analytical or computational heavy. Projects or areas that would require more specific training and in-depth knowledge. This is what your PhD gives you, the knowledge to solve these very difficult problems. The PhD also says that you can effectively self-teach yourself very difficult new topics. This is what you did during your dissertation research, is it not? You taught yourself to the edge of knowledge of a very specific topic. This has shown you can do this and could do it again. * \"Be commissioned and trusted to develop entirely new methods, or technologies\" - Again, this absolutely true. As I just said above, you know how to push the edge of the unknown. * \"Many employers will be afraid to hire you for fear of you leaving when you realize you are making the same as your BS\/MS counterparts\" - If you encounter this, then you're looking in the wrong places. The places that know they need PhDs will know what they're looking for and won't be afraid to hire a PhD. You'll also be paid appropriate for the PhD. There are websites which list the starting salaries of PhDs in different fields, etc. I know the average starting salary of an ME PhD is right around $90k, with that going up or down based on industry and location. The average starting post-doc at a national lab is around $72k, I believe. Is it going to be harder to find a job? Significantly harder but that's because there's significantly less of them available which are appropriate for you. * \"NASA and JPL have position that require at least a masters. Some even require a phd.\" - These are effectively the positions you're looking at when you're looking for jobs. Look around at the jobs postings at most large companies including JPL, SpaceX, Boeing, Lockheed, GM, GE, etc. You'll see a decent number of positions that are MS required, PhD preferred (note, they even have a decent number of 0 year experience entry level positions with these requirements). A majority of these positions will be computationally focused - think FEA and CFD. Look around at these to get a sense of the jobs that are available to PhDs. * \"You go for industries which look for a specific qualification and there are some of them in which is easier to go up in the 'ranking' thanks to a Ph.D.\" - This is the last point I wanted to make. By having a PhD, you no longer have a ceiling on the technical track at most companies. You'll notice the more senior technical positions will start requiring MS and PhD. Also, these positions are significantly more saturated with PhDs than at the less senior levels.  I hope this helps some. I know it's a wall of text, but I just wanted to give some context from the PhD side of things since we are likely going to underrepresented in a sub like this. If there's any PhDs with more experience in industry, feel free to come by and kick the shit out of my answers. This is just my opinion from my own experience and experience of others I know.  As a note, from personal experience, the job I recently attained is not in a company's research lab. I accepted a position doing high strain rate computational mechanics focusing on fracture phenomena for a large company. The position is in the advanced development arm of the company. FWIW, during the hiring process, the manager told me that they are now hiring a minimum MS with a strong preference for PhDs. Apparently, BS level hires, even with some experience, were not working out doing this work for one reason or another. That's just my experience and I'm entirely sure if it's typical or atypical.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4343.0,"score_ratio":8.3333333333}
{"post_id":"3113nf","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What sorts of things can you do with a PhD in engineering that you can't do with an MS or BS? Hi everyone, I am currently finishing my master's in electrical engineering am trying to think of what type of PhD I want and what sort of cool things I could maybe do with it. For my undergraduate I double majored in both electrical and mechanical engineering and minored in computer science. Then I started my MSEE and am considering many different areas for a PhD. I considered electrical, but I kind of want to broaden my abilities even further and go for a PhD in something else - maybe particle physics (maybe CERN?) or systems engineering.  Anyways, what sorts of cool jobs or fields could I involve myself in given my background assuming I had a PhD in said fields? I enjoy research and I love engineering so I'm not 'in it for the money' and in fact know that I will be poor for the greater duration of the degree.","c_root_id_A":"cpxqdae","c_root_id_B":"cpxtgz4","created_at_utc_A":1427891100,"created_at_utc_B":1427898261,"score_A":5,"score_B":75,"human_ref_A":"I'm in Nuclear Engineering and a PhD is standard for many research or licensing jobs (with an MASc absolutely required). This is partly because lots of nuclear engineering is taught at a graduate level and nuclear is a research\/analysis heavy field. There are lots of non-phds in the industry but they are somewhat limited in the areas they can advance.   As you move towards the industry there tends to be fewer phds but those there are then fload towards the higher positions.","human_ref_B":"There is always a lot of misinformation on this topic. I think \/u\/BigBrainMonkey said it best in this thread. I recently attained a job in industry after graduating with a PhD in ME with a focus on mechanics of materials. So, my experience is related to the types of positions for that field.  First of all, let's focus on why you want to get the PhD. You *do not* get a PhD because you think it's going to open up a world of possibilities in that everyone will want to hire you. You get a PhD because you love working on very difficult specific problems which have very likely not even been attempted before. You also like to get to a fundamental understanding behind these problems. You can see how this description aligns perfectly with research. It also opens up a world outside of research pertaining to the most difficult technical challenges an industry or company might encounter.  So, where you work after finishing the PhD? There are 3 primary areas as I see it: (1) academia, (2) national labs, and (3) industry.  * Academia - teaching and research. Currently, it is very difficult to get a tenure-track academic position. The upside of academia is you define your own work and collaborate with some of the best minds in a subject area. The downside is become a glorified program manager immediately - you don't do most of the work, your students do. You are also constantly fighting for funding. Also, normally before you can get a tenure track position you need to complete a 2-3 year stint as a post-doc. * National Lab - research and project work. The work at national labs is fairly varied but you still get to do research-type work. Most national labs require you to enter as a post-doc and then offer you a full-time position as a staff scientist after 1-2 years depending on appointment and the specific lab. The downside is many of these jobs require a security clearance so it's limited to US citizens. The culture at different labs varies greatly and no one is the same as another, e.g., LLNL is very different from ORNL. * Industry - almost all project work. One professor I know has said the age of true industrial research is gone, which in reality is not a bad thing. There are many good and bad things that people have hinted at in this thread. To be honest, this is the area I am least familiar with at this point, but I'll go through some points that I have been brought up by others and what I can say from my experience and the experience of the many PhDs I know who went to work in industry. It's important to note when looking at positions in industry you should take not of some advice I was given by an acquaintance at the NRC. In more or less words: \"I don't hire PhDs for what they currently know and what their academic research topic was. I hire them because the PhD is effectively a license to solve very difficult, ill-defined problems which have no prior answer and push the bounds of current engineering knowledge.\"   I'll try and go through some things about industry:  * \"You are too qualified for most positions and your opportunities are limited\" - This is absolutely 100% true. You are too qualified for most positions and because of that you have limited your opportunities. But, let's assume you got your PhD for the right reasons - research\/advanced development oriented work. So, do you really want those jobs? Do you really want to do the normal BS qualified test engineer position? It's not a knock on those positions at all, you just have to make sure you get the PhD knowing full well that you want to do \"research-type\" work. So, even if you were able to get those jobs on an equal playing field, you wouldn't want to do them anyways. * \"In my experience, mostly heavy industries, outside of advanced development and research there very few PhDs around\" - This is again absolutely true. Why would a company want to pay the premium that a PhD demands when they can have someone with a BS or MS do the same work just as effectively. The PhD holds its weight in positions which are normally highly analytical or computational heavy. Projects or areas that would require more specific training and in-depth knowledge. This is what your PhD gives you, the knowledge to solve these very difficult problems. The PhD also says that you can effectively self-teach yourself very difficult new topics. This is what you did during your dissertation research, is it not? You taught yourself to the edge of knowledge of a very specific topic. This has shown you can do this and could do it again. * \"Be commissioned and trusted to develop entirely new methods, or technologies\" - Again, this absolutely true. As I just said above, you know how to push the edge of the unknown. * \"Many employers will be afraid to hire you for fear of you leaving when you realize you are making the same as your BS\/MS counterparts\" - If you encounter this, then you're looking in the wrong places. The places that know they need PhDs will know what they're looking for and won't be afraid to hire a PhD. You'll also be paid appropriate for the PhD. There are websites which list the starting salaries of PhDs in different fields, etc. I know the average starting salary of an ME PhD is right around $90k, with that going up or down based on industry and location. The average starting post-doc at a national lab is around $72k, I believe. Is it going to be harder to find a job? Significantly harder but that's because there's significantly less of them available which are appropriate for you. * \"NASA and JPL have position that require at least a masters. Some even require a phd.\" - These are effectively the positions you're looking at when you're looking for jobs. Look around at the jobs postings at most large companies including JPL, SpaceX, Boeing, Lockheed, GM, GE, etc. You'll see a decent number of positions that are MS required, PhD preferred (note, they even have a decent number of 0 year experience entry level positions with these requirements). A majority of these positions will be computationally focused - think FEA and CFD. Look around at these to get a sense of the jobs that are available to PhDs. * \"You go for industries which look for a specific qualification and there are some of them in which is easier to go up in the 'ranking' thanks to a Ph.D.\" - This is the last point I wanted to make. By having a PhD, you no longer have a ceiling on the technical track at most companies. You'll notice the more senior technical positions will start requiring MS and PhD. Also, these positions are significantly more saturated with PhDs than at the less senior levels.  I hope this helps some. I know it's a wall of text, but I just wanted to give some context from the PhD side of things since we are likely going to underrepresented in a sub like this. If there's any PhDs with more experience in industry, feel free to come by and kick the shit out of my answers. This is just my opinion from my own experience and experience of others I know.  As a note, from personal experience, the job I recently attained is not in a company's research lab. I accepted a position doing high strain rate computational mechanics focusing on fracture phenomena for a large company. The position is in the advanced development arm of the company. FWIW, during the hiring process, the manager told me that they are now hiring a minimum MS with a strong preference for PhDs. Apparently, BS level hires, even with some experience, were not working out doing this work for one reason or another. That's just my experience and I'm entirely sure if it's typical or atypical.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7161.0,"score_ratio":15.0}
{"post_id":"3113nf","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What sorts of things can you do with a PhD in engineering that you can't do with an MS or BS? Hi everyone, I am currently finishing my master's in electrical engineering am trying to think of what type of PhD I want and what sort of cool things I could maybe do with it. For my undergraduate I double majored in both electrical and mechanical engineering and minored in computer science. Then I started my MSEE and am considering many different areas for a PhD. I considered electrical, but I kind of want to broaden my abilities even further and go for a PhD in something else - maybe particle physics (maybe CERN?) or systems engineering.  Anyways, what sorts of cool jobs or fields could I involve myself in given my background assuming I had a PhD in said fields? I enjoy research and I love engineering so I'm not 'in it for the money' and in fact know that I will be poor for the greater duration of the degree.","c_root_id_A":"cpxsrkk","c_root_id_B":"cpxtgz4","created_at_utc_A":1427896860,"created_at_utc_B":1427898261,"score_A":3,"score_B":75,"human_ref_A":"Have you considered semiconductor engineering? Makes sense with your background and there are still some lucrative job prospects in industry if you don't want to stick with academia.","human_ref_B":"There is always a lot of misinformation on this topic. I think \/u\/BigBrainMonkey said it best in this thread. I recently attained a job in industry after graduating with a PhD in ME with a focus on mechanics of materials. So, my experience is related to the types of positions for that field.  First of all, let's focus on why you want to get the PhD. You *do not* get a PhD because you think it's going to open up a world of possibilities in that everyone will want to hire you. You get a PhD because you love working on very difficult specific problems which have very likely not even been attempted before. You also like to get to a fundamental understanding behind these problems. You can see how this description aligns perfectly with research. It also opens up a world outside of research pertaining to the most difficult technical challenges an industry or company might encounter.  So, where you work after finishing the PhD? There are 3 primary areas as I see it: (1) academia, (2) national labs, and (3) industry.  * Academia - teaching and research. Currently, it is very difficult to get a tenure-track academic position. The upside of academia is you define your own work and collaborate with some of the best minds in a subject area. The downside is become a glorified program manager immediately - you don't do most of the work, your students do. You are also constantly fighting for funding. Also, normally before you can get a tenure track position you need to complete a 2-3 year stint as a post-doc. * National Lab - research and project work. The work at national labs is fairly varied but you still get to do research-type work. Most national labs require you to enter as a post-doc and then offer you a full-time position as a staff scientist after 1-2 years depending on appointment and the specific lab. The downside is many of these jobs require a security clearance so it's limited to US citizens. The culture at different labs varies greatly and no one is the same as another, e.g., LLNL is very different from ORNL. * Industry - almost all project work. One professor I know has said the age of true industrial research is gone, which in reality is not a bad thing. There are many good and bad things that people have hinted at in this thread. To be honest, this is the area I am least familiar with at this point, but I'll go through some points that I have been brought up by others and what I can say from my experience and the experience of the many PhDs I know who went to work in industry. It's important to note when looking at positions in industry you should take not of some advice I was given by an acquaintance at the NRC. In more or less words: \"I don't hire PhDs for what they currently know and what their academic research topic was. I hire them because the PhD is effectively a license to solve very difficult, ill-defined problems which have no prior answer and push the bounds of current engineering knowledge.\"   I'll try and go through some things about industry:  * \"You are too qualified for most positions and your opportunities are limited\" - This is absolutely 100% true. You are too qualified for most positions and because of that you have limited your opportunities. But, let's assume you got your PhD for the right reasons - research\/advanced development oriented work. So, do you really want those jobs? Do you really want to do the normal BS qualified test engineer position? It's not a knock on those positions at all, you just have to make sure you get the PhD knowing full well that you want to do \"research-type\" work. So, even if you were able to get those jobs on an equal playing field, you wouldn't want to do them anyways. * \"In my experience, mostly heavy industries, outside of advanced development and research there very few PhDs around\" - This is again absolutely true. Why would a company want to pay the premium that a PhD demands when they can have someone with a BS or MS do the same work just as effectively. The PhD holds its weight in positions which are normally highly analytical or computational heavy. Projects or areas that would require more specific training and in-depth knowledge. This is what your PhD gives you, the knowledge to solve these very difficult problems. The PhD also says that you can effectively self-teach yourself very difficult new topics. This is what you did during your dissertation research, is it not? You taught yourself to the edge of knowledge of a very specific topic. This has shown you can do this and could do it again. * \"Be commissioned and trusted to develop entirely new methods, or technologies\" - Again, this absolutely true. As I just said above, you know how to push the edge of the unknown. * \"Many employers will be afraid to hire you for fear of you leaving when you realize you are making the same as your BS\/MS counterparts\" - If you encounter this, then you're looking in the wrong places. The places that know they need PhDs will know what they're looking for and won't be afraid to hire a PhD. You'll also be paid appropriate for the PhD. There are websites which list the starting salaries of PhDs in different fields, etc. I know the average starting salary of an ME PhD is right around $90k, with that going up or down based on industry and location. The average starting post-doc at a national lab is around $72k, I believe. Is it going to be harder to find a job? Significantly harder but that's because there's significantly less of them available which are appropriate for you. * \"NASA and JPL have position that require at least a masters. Some even require a phd.\" - These are effectively the positions you're looking at when you're looking for jobs. Look around at the jobs postings at most large companies including JPL, SpaceX, Boeing, Lockheed, GM, GE, etc. You'll see a decent number of positions that are MS required, PhD preferred (note, they even have a decent number of 0 year experience entry level positions with these requirements). A majority of these positions will be computationally focused - think FEA and CFD. Look around at these to get a sense of the jobs that are available to PhDs. * \"You go for industries which look for a specific qualification and there are some of them in which is easier to go up in the 'ranking' thanks to a Ph.D.\" - This is the last point I wanted to make. By having a PhD, you no longer have a ceiling on the technical track at most companies. You'll notice the more senior technical positions will start requiring MS and PhD. Also, these positions are significantly more saturated with PhDs than at the less senior levels.  I hope this helps some. I know it's a wall of text, but I just wanted to give some context from the PhD side of things since we are likely going to underrepresented in a sub like this. If there's any PhDs with more experience in industry, feel free to come by and kick the shit out of my answers. This is just my opinion from my own experience and experience of others I know.  As a note, from personal experience, the job I recently attained is not in a company's research lab. I accepted a position doing high strain rate computational mechanics focusing on fracture phenomena for a large company. The position is in the advanced development arm of the company. FWIW, during the hiring process, the manager told me that they are now hiring a minimum MS with a strong preference for PhDs. Apparently, BS level hires, even with some experience, were not working out doing this work for one reason or another. That's just my experience and I'm entirely sure if it's typical or atypical.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1401.0,"score_ratio":25.0}
{"post_id":"3113nf","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What sorts of things can you do with a PhD in engineering that you can't do with an MS or BS? Hi everyone, I am currently finishing my master's in electrical engineering am trying to think of what type of PhD I want and what sort of cool things I could maybe do with it. For my undergraduate I double majored in both electrical and mechanical engineering and minored in computer science. Then I started my MSEE and am considering many different areas for a PhD. I considered electrical, but I kind of want to broaden my abilities even further and go for a PhD in something else - maybe particle physics (maybe CERN?) or systems engineering.  Anyways, what sorts of cool jobs or fields could I involve myself in given my background assuming I had a PhD in said fields? I enjoy research and I love engineering so I'm not 'in it for the money' and in fact know that I will be poor for the greater duration of the degree.","c_root_id_A":"cpxq8mm","c_root_id_B":"cpxtgz4","created_at_utc_A":1427890717,"created_at_utc_B":1427898261,"score_A":4,"score_B":75,"human_ref_A":"Be commissioned and trusted to develop entirely new methods, or technologies.","human_ref_B":"There is always a lot of misinformation on this topic. I think \/u\/BigBrainMonkey said it best in this thread. I recently attained a job in industry after graduating with a PhD in ME with a focus on mechanics of materials. So, my experience is related to the types of positions for that field.  First of all, let's focus on why you want to get the PhD. You *do not* get a PhD because you think it's going to open up a world of possibilities in that everyone will want to hire you. You get a PhD because you love working on very difficult specific problems which have very likely not even been attempted before. You also like to get to a fundamental understanding behind these problems. You can see how this description aligns perfectly with research. It also opens up a world outside of research pertaining to the most difficult technical challenges an industry or company might encounter.  So, where you work after finishing the PhD? There are 3 primary areas as I see it: (1) academia, (2) national labs, and (3) industry.  * Academia - teaching and research. Currently, it is very difficult to get a tenure-track academic position. The upside of academia is you define your own work and collaborate with some of the best minds in a subject area. The downside is become a glorified program manager immediately - you don't do most of the work, your students do. You are also constantly fighting for funding. Also, normally before you can get a tenure track position you need to complete a 2-3 year stint as a post-doc. * National Lab - research and project work. The work at national labs is fairly varied but you still get to do research-type work. Most national labs require you to enter as a post-doc and then offer you a full-time position as a staff scientist after 1-2 years depending on appointment and the specific lab. The downside is many of these jobs require a security clearance so it's limited to US citizens. The culture at different labs varies greatly and no one is the same as another, e.g., LLNL is very different from ORNL. * Industry - almost all project work. One professor I know has said the age of true industrial research is gone, which in reality is not a bad thing. There are many good and bad things that people have hinted at in this thread. To be honest, this is the area I am least familiar with at this point, but I'll go through some points that I have been brought up by others and what I can say from my experience and the experience of the many PhDs I know who went to work in industry. It's important to note when looking at positions in industry you should take not of some advice I was given by an acquaintance at the NRC. In more or less words: \"I don't hire PhDs for what they currently know and what their academic research topic was. I hire them because the PhD is effectively a license to solve very difficult, ill-defined problems which have no prior answer and push the bounds of current engineering knowledge.\"   I'll try and go through some things about industry:  * \"You are too qualified for most positions and your opportunities are limited\" - This is absolutely 100% true. You are too qualified for most positions and because of that you have limited your opportunities. But, let's assume you got your PhD for the right reasons - research\/advanced development oriented work. So, do you really want those jobs? Do you really want to do the normal BS qualified test engineer position? It's not a knock on those positions at all, you just have to make sure you get the PhD knowing full well that you want to do \"research-type\" work. So, even if you were able to get those jobs on an equal playing field, you wouldn't want to do them anyways. * \"In my experience, mostly heavy industries, outside of advanced development and research there very few PhDs around\" - This is again absolutely true. Why would a company want to pay the premium that a PhD demands when they can have someone with a BS or MS do the same work just as effectively. The PhD holds its weight in positions which are normally highly analytical or computational heavy. Projects or areas that would require more specific training and in-depth knowledge. This is what your PhD gives you, the knowledge to solve these very difficult problems. The PhD also says that you can effectively self-teach yourself very difficult new topics. This is what you did during your dissertation research, is it not? You taught yourself to the edge of knowledge of a very specific topic. This has shown you can do this and could do it again. * \"Be commissioned and trusted to develop entirely new methods, or technologies\" - Again, this absolutely true. As I just said above, you know how to push the edge of the unknown. * \"Many employers will be afraid to hire you for fear of you leaving when you realize you are making the same as your BS\/MS counterparts\" - If you encounter this, then you're looking in the wrong places. The places that know they need PhDs will know what they're looking for and won't be afraid to hire a PhD. You'll also be paid appropriate for the PhD. There are websites which list the starting salaries of PhDs in different fields, etc. I know the average starting salary of an ME PhD is right around $90k, with that going up or down based on industry and location. The average starting post-doc at a national lab is around $72k, I believe. Is it going to be harder to find a job? Significantly harder but that's because there's significantly less of them available which are appropriate for you. * \"NASA and JPL have position that require at least a masters. Some even require a phd.\" - These are effectively the positions you're looking at when you're looking for jobs. Look around at the jobs postings at most large companies including JPL, SpaceX, Boeing, Lockheed, GM, GE, etc. You'll see a decent number of positions that are MS required, PhD preferred (note, they even have a decent number of 0 year experience entry level positions with these requirements). A majority of these positions will be computationally focused - think FEA and CFD. Look around at these to get a sense of the jobs that are available to PhDs. * \"You go for industries which look for a specific qualification and there are some of them in which is easier to go up in the 'ranking' thanks to a Ph.D.\" - This is the last point I wanted to make. By having a PhD, you no longer have a ceiling on the technical track at most companies. You'll notice the more senior technical positions will start requiring MS and PhD. Also, these positions are significantly more saturated with PhDs than at the less senior levels.  I hope this helps some. I know it's a wall of text, but I just wanted to give some context from the PhD side of things since we are likely going to underrepresented in a sub like this. If there's any PhDs with more experience in industry, feel free to come by and kick the shit out of my answers. This is just my opinion from my own experience and experience of others I know.  As a note, from personal experience, the job I recently attained is not in a company's research lab. I accepted a position doing high strain rate computational mechanics focusing on fracture phenomena for a large company. The position is in the advanced development arm of the company. FWIW, during the hiring process, the manager told me that they are now hiring a minimum MS with a strong preference for PhDs. Apparently, BS level hires, even with some experience, were not working out doing this work for one reason or another. That's just my experience and I'm entirely sure if it's typical or atypical.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7544.0,"score_ratio":18.75}
{"post_id":"3113nf","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What sorts of things can you do with a PhD in engineering that you can't do with an MS or BS? Hi everyone, I am currently finishing my master's in electrical engineering am trying to think of what type of PhD I want and what sort of cool things I could maybe do with it. For my undergraduate I double majored in both electrical and mechanical engineering and minored in computer science. Then I started my MSEE and am considering many different areas for a PhD. I considered electrical, but I kind of want to broaden my abilities even further and go for a PhD in something else - maybe particle physics (maybe CERN?) or systems engineering.  Anyways, what sorts of cool jobs or fields could I involve myself in given my background assuming I had a PhD in said fields? I enjoy research and I love engineering so I'm not 'in it for the money' and in fact know that I will be poor for the greater duration of the degree.","c_root_id_A":"cpxtgz4","c_root_id_B":"cpxrdq5","created_at_utc_A":1427898261,"created_at_utc_B":1427893819,"score_A":75,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"There is always a lot of misinformation on this topic. I think \/u\/BigBrainMonkey said it best in this thread. I recently attained a job in industry after graduating with a PhD in ME with a focus on mechanics of materials. So, my experience is related to the types of positions for that field.  First of all, let's focus on why you want to get the PhD. You *do not* get a PhD because you think it's going to open up a world of possibilities in that everyone will want to hire you. You get a PhD because you love working on very difficult specific problems which have very likely not even been attempted before. You also like to get to a fundamental understanding behind these problems. You can see how this description aligns perfectly with research. It also opens up a world outside of research pertaining to the most difficult technical challenges an industry or company might encounter.  So, where you work after finishing the PhD? There are 3 primary areas as I see it: (1) academia, (2) national labs, and (3) industry.  * Academia - teaching and research. Currently, it is very difficult to get a tenure-track academic position. The upside of academia is you define your own work and collaborate with some of the best minds in a subject area. The downside is become a glorified program manager immediately - you don't do most of the work, your students do. You are also constantly fighting for funding. Also, normally before you can get a tenure track position you need to complete a 2-3 year stint as a post-doc. * National Lab - research and project work. The work at national labs is fairly varied but you still get to do research-type work. Most national labs require you to enter as a post-doc and then offer you a full-time position as a staff scientist after 1-2 years depending on appointment and the specific lab. The downside is many of these jobs require a security clearance so it's limited to US citizens. The culture at different labs varies greatly and no one is the same as another, e.g., LLNL is very different from ORNL. * Industry - almost all project work. One professor I know has said the age of true industrial research is gone, which in reality is not a bad thing. There are many good and bad things that people have hinted at in this thread. To be honest, this is the area I am least familiar with at this point, but I'll go through some points that I have been brought up by others and what I can say from my experience and the experience of the many PhDs I know who went to work in industry. It's important to note when looking at positions in industry you should take not of some advice I was given by an acquaintance at the NRC. In more or less words: \"I don't hire PhDs for what they currently know and what their academic research topic was. I hire them because the PhD is effectively a license to solve very difficult, ill-defined problems which have no prior answer and push the bounds of current engineering knowledge.\"   I'll try and go through some things about industry:  * \"You are too qualified for most positions and your opportunities are limited\" - This is absolutely 100% true. You are too qualified for most positions and because of that you have limited your opportunities. But, let's assume you got your PhD for the right reasons - research\/advanced development oriented work. So, do you really want those jobs? Do you really want to do the normal BS qualified test engineer position? It's not a knock on those positions at all, you just have to make sure you get the PhD knowing full well that you want to do \"research-type\" work. So, even if you were able to get those jobs on an equal playing field, you wouldn't want to do them anyways. * \"In my experience, mostly heavy industries, outside of advanced development and research there very few PhDs around\" - This is again absolutely true. Why would a company want to pay the premium that a PhD demands when they can have someone with a BS or MS do the same work just as effectively. The PhD holds its weight in positions which are normally highly analytical or computational heavy. Projects or areas that would require more specific training and in-depth knowledge. This is what your PhD gives you, the knowledge to solve these very difficult problems. The PhD also says that you can effectively self-teach yourself very difficult new topics. This is what you did during your dissertation research, is it not? You taught yourself to the edge of knowledge of a very specific topic. This has shown you can do this and could do it again. * \"Be commissioned and trusted to develop entirely new methods, or technologies\" - Again, this absolutely true. As I just said above, you know how to push the edge of the unknown. * \"Many employers will be afraid to hire you for fear of you leaving when you realize you are making the same as your BS\/MS counterparts\" - If you encounter this, then you're looking in the wrong places. The places that know they need PhDs will know what they're looking for and won't be afraid to hire a PhD. You'll also be paid appropriate for the PhD. There are websites which list the starting salaries of PhDs in different fields, etc. I know the average starting salary of an ME PhD is right around $90k, with that going up or down based on industry and location. The average starting post-doc at a national lab is around $72k, I believe. Is it going to be harder to find a job? Significantly harder but that's because there's significantly less of them available which are appropriate for you. * \"NASA and JPL have position that require at least a masters. Some even require a phd.\" - These are effectively the positions you're looking at when you're looking for jobs. Look around at the jobs postings at most large companies including JPL, SpaceX, Boeing, Lockheed, GM, GE, etc. You'll see a decent number of positions that are MS required, PhD preferred (note, they even have a decent number of 0 year experience entry level positions with these requirements). A majority of these positions will be computationally focused - think FEA and CFD. Look around at these to get a sense of the jobs that are available to PhDs. * \"You go for industries which look for a specific qualification and there are some of them in which is easier to go up in the 'ranking' thanks to a Ph.D.\" - This is the last point I wanted to make. By having a PhD, you no longer have a ceiling on the technical track at most companies. You'll notice the more senior technical positions will start requiring MS and PhD. Also, these positions are significantly more saturated with PhDs than at the less senior levels.  I hope this helps some. I know it's a wall of text, but I just wanted to give some context from the PhD side of things since we are likely going to underrepresented in a sub like this. If there's any PhDs with more experience in industry, feel free to come by and kick the shit out of my answers. This is just my opinion from my own experience and experience of others I know.  As a note, from personal experience, the job I recently attained is not in a company's research lab. I accepted a position doing high strain rate computational mechanics focusing on fracture phenomena for a large company. The position is in the advanced development arm of the company. FWIW, during the hiring process, the manager told me that they are now hiring a minimum MS with a strong preference for PhDs. Apparently, BS level hires, even with some experience, were not working out doing this work for one reason or another. That's just my experience and I'm entirely sure if it's typical or atypical.","human_ref_B":"Lead research.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4442.0,"score_ratio":37.5}
{"post_id":"3113nf","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What sorts of things can you do with a PhD in engineering that you can't do with an MS or BS? Hi everyone, I am currently finishing my master's in electrical engineering am trying to think of what type of PhD I want and what sort of cool things I could maybe do with it. For my undergraduate I double majored in both electrical and mechanical engineering and minored in computer science. Then I started my MSEE and am considering many different areas for a PhD. I considered electrical, but I kind of want to broaden my abilities even further and go for a PhD in something else - maybe particle physics (maybe CERN?) or systems engineering.  Anyways, what sorts of cool jobs or fields could I involve myself in given my background assuming I had a PhD in said fields? I enjoy research and I love engineering so I'm not 'in it for the money' and in fact know that I will be poor for the greater duration of the degree.","c_root_id_A":"cpxtgz4","c_root_id_B":"cpxrtpx","created_at_utc_A":1427898261,"created_at_utc_B":1427894856,"score_A":75,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"There is always a lot of misinformation on this topic. I think \/u\/BigBrainMonkey said it best in this thread. I recently attained a job in industry after graduating with a PhD in ME with a focus on mechanics of materials. So, my experience is related to the types of positions for that field.  First of all, let's focus on why you want to get the PhD. You *do not* get a PhD because you think it's going to open up a world of possibilities in that everyone will want to hire you. You get a PhD because you love working on very difficult specific problems which have very likely not even been attempted before. You also like to get to a fundamental understanding behind these problems. You can see how this description aligns perfectly with research. It also opens up a world outside of research pertaining to the most difficult technical challenges an industry or company might encounter.  So, where you work after finishing the PhD? There are 3 primary areas as I see it: (1) academia, (2) national labs, and (3) industry.  * Academia - teaching and research. Currently, it is very difficult to get a tenure-track academic position. The upside of academia is you define your own work and collaborate with some of the best minds in a subject area. The downside is become a glorified program manager immediately - you don't do most of the work, your students do. You are also constantly fighting for funding. Also, normally before you can get a tenure track position you need to complete a 2-3 year stint as a post-doc. * National Lab - research and project work. The work at national labs is fairly varied but you still get to do research-type work. Most national labs require you to enter as a post-doc and then offer you a full-time position as a staff scientist after 1-2 years depending on appointment and the specific lab. The downside is many of these jobs require a security clearance so it's limited to US citizens. The culture at different labs varies greatly and no one is the same as another, e.g., LLNL is very different from ORNL. * Industry - almost all project work. One professor I know has said the age of true industrial research is gone, which in reality is not a bad thing. There are many good and bad things that people have hinted at in this thread. To be honest, this is the area I am least familiar with at this point, but I'll go through some points that I have been brought up by others and what I can say from my experience and the experience of the many PhDs I know who went to work in industry. It's important to note when looking at positions in industry you should take not of some advice I was given by an acquaintance at the NRC. In more or less words: \"I don't hire PhDs for what they currently know and what their academic research topic was. I hire them because the PhD is effectively a license to solve very difficult, ill-defined problems which have no prior answer and push the bounds of current engineering knowledge.\"   I'll try and go through some things about industry:  * \"You are too qualified for most positions and your opportunities are limited\" - This is absolutely 100% true. You are too qualified for most positions and because of that you have limited your opportunities. But, let's assume you got your PhD for the right reasons - research\/advanced development oriented work. So, do you really want those jobs? Do you really want to do the normal BS qualified test engineer position? It's not a knock on those positions at all, you just have to make sure you get the PhD knowing full well that you want to do \"research-type\" work. So, even if you were able to get those jobs on an equal playing field, you wouldn't want to do them anyways. * \"In my experience, mostly heavy industries, outside of advanced development and research there very few PhDs around\" - This is again absolutely true. Why would a company want to pay the premium that a PhD demands when they can have someone with a BS or MS do the same work just as effectively. The PhD holds its weight in positions which are normally highly analytical or computational heavy. Projects or areas that would require more specific training and in-depth knowledge. This is what your PhD gives you, the knowledge to solve these very difficult problems. The PhD also says that you can effectively self-teach yourself very difficult new topics. This is what you did during your dissertation research, is it not? You taught yourself to the edge of knowledge of a very specific topic. This has shown you can do this and could do it again. * \"Be commissioned and trusted to develop entirely new methods, or technologies\" - Again, this absolutely true. As I just said above, you know how to push the edge of the unknown. * \"Many employers will be afraid to hire you for fear of you leaving when you realize you are making the same as your BS\/MS counterparts\" - If you encounter this, then you're looking in the wrong places. The places that know they need PhDs will know what they're looking for and won't be afraid to hire a PhD. You'll also be paid appropriate for the PhD. There are websites which list the starting salaries of PhDs in different fields, etc. I know the average starting salary of an ME PhD is right around $90k, with that going up or down based on industry and location. The average starting post-doc at a national lab is around $72k, I believe. Is it going to be harder to find a job? Significantly harder but that's because there's significantly less of them available which are appropriate for you. * \"NASA and JPL have position that require at least a masters. Some even require a phd.\" - These are effectively the positions you're looking at when you're looking for jobs. Look around at the jobs postings at most large companies including JPL, SpaceX, Boeing, Lockheed, GM, GE, etc. You'll see a decent number of positions that are MS required, PhD preferred (note, they even have a decent number of 0 year experience entry level positions with these requirements). A majority of these positions will be computationally focused - think FEA and CFD. Look around at these to get a sense of the jobs that are available to PhDs. * \"You go for industries which look for a specific qualification and there are some of them in which is easier to go up in the 'ranking' thanks to a Ph.D.\" - This is the last point I wanted to make. By having a PhD, you no longer have a ceiling on the technical track at most companies. You'll notice the more senior technical positions will start requiring MS and PhD. Also, these positions are significantly more saturated with PhDs than at the less senior levels.  I hope this helps some. I know it's a wall of text, but I just wanted to give some context from the PhD side of things since we are likely going to underrepresented in a sub like this. If there's any PhDs with more experience in industry, feel free to come by and kick the shit out of my answers. This is just my opinion from my own experience and experience of others I know.  As a note, from personal experience, the job I recently attained is not in a company's research lab. I accepted a position doing high strain rate computational mechanics focusing on fracture phenomena for a large company. The position is in the advanced development arm of the company. FWIW, during the hiring process, the manager told me that they are now hiring a minimum MS with a strong preference for PhDs. Apparently, BS level hires, even with some experience, were not working out doing this work for one reason or another. That's just my experience and I'm entirely sure if it's typical or atypical.","human_ref_B":"NASA and JPL have position that require at least a masters. Some even require a phd.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3405.0,"score_ratio":37.5}
{"post_id":"3113nf","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What sorts of things can you do with a PhD in engineering that you can't do with an MS or BS? Hi everyone, I am currently finishing my master's in electrical engineering am trying to think of what type of PhD I want and what sort of cool things I could maybe do with it. For my undergraduate I double majored in both electrical and mechanical engineering and minored in computer science. Then I started my MSEE and am considering many different areas for a PhD. I considered electrical, but I kind of want to broaden my abilities even further and go for a PhD in something else - maybe particle physics (maybe CERN?) or systems engineering.  Anyways, what sorts of cool jobs or fields could I involve myself in given my background assuming I had a PhD in said fields? I enjoy research and I love engineering so I'm not 'in it for the money' and in fact know that I will be poor for the greater duration of the degree.","c_root_id_A":"cpxp3nt","c_root_id_B":"cpxtgz4","created_at_utc_A":1427886696,"created_at_utc_B":1427898261,"score_A":2,"score_B":75,"human_ref_A":"You won't be \"broadening\" your abilities as a Ph.D, instead you'll be refining and constricting yourself to a specialty of whatever it was you worked with.  Don't expect a Ph.D to be useful without some experience.","human_ref_B":"There is always a lot of misinformation on this topic. I think \/u\/BigBrainMonkey said it best in this thread. I recently attained a job in industry after graduating with a PhD in ME with a focus on mechanics of materials. So, my experience is related to the types of positions for that field.  First of all, let's focus on why you want to get the PhD. You *do not* get a PhD because you think it's going to open up a world of possibilities in that everyone will want to hire you. You get a PhD because you love working on very difficult specific problems which have very likely not even been attempted before. You also like to get to a fundamental understanding behind these problems. You can see how this description aligns perfectly with research. It also opens up a world outside of research pertaining to the most difficult technical challenges an industry or company might encounter.  So, where you work after finishing the PhD? There are 3 primary areas as I see it: (1) academia, (2) national labs, and (3) industry.  * Academia - teaching and research. Currently, it is very difficult to get a tenure-track academic position. The upside of academia is you define your own work and collaborate with some of the best minds in a subject area. The downside is become a glorified program manager immediately - you don't do most of the work, your students do. You are also constantly fighting for funding. Also, normally before you can get a tenure track position you need to complete a 2-3 year stint as a post-doc. * National Lab - research and project work. The work at national labs is fairly varied but you still get to do research-type work. Most national labs require you to enter as a post-doc and then offer you a full-time position as a staff scientist after 1-2 years depending on appointment and the specific lab. The downside is many of these jobs require a security clearance so it's limited to US citizens. The culture at different labs varies greatly and no one is the same as another, e.g., LLNL is very different from ORNL. * Industry - almost all project work. One professor I know has said the age of true industrial research is gone, which in reality is not a bad thing. There are many good and bad things that people have hinted at in this thread. To be honest, this is the area I am least familiar with at this point, but I'll go through some points that I have been brought up by others and what I can say from my experience and the experience of the many PhDs I know who went to work in industry. It's important to note when looking at positions in industry you should take not of some advice I was given by an acquaintance at the NRC. In more or less words: \"I don't hire PhDs for what they currently know and what their academic research topic was. I hire them because the PhD is effectively a license to solve very difficult, ill-defined problems which have no prior answer and push the bounds of current engineering knowledge.\"   I'll try and go through some things about industry:  * \"You are too qualified for most positions and your opportunities are limited\" - This is absolutely 100% true. You are too qualified for most positions and because of that you have limited your opportunities. But, let's assume you got your PhD for the right reasons - research\/advanced development oriented work. So, do you really want those jobs? Do you really want to do the normal BS qualified test engineer position? It's not a knock on those positions at all, you just have to make sure you get the PhD knowing full well that you want to do \"research-type\" work. So, even if you were able to get those jobs on an equal playing field, you wouldn't want to do them anyways. * \"In my experience, mostly heavy industries, outside of advanced development and research there very few PhDs around\" - This is again absolutely true. Why would a company want to pay the premium that a PhD demands when they can have someone with a BS or MS do the same work just as effectively. The PhD holds its weight in positions which are normally highly analytical or computational heavy. Projects or areas that would require more specific training and in-depth knowledge. This is what your PhD gives you, the knowledge to solve these very difficult problems. The PhD also says that you can effectively self-teach yourself very difficult new topics. This is what you did during your dissertation research, is it not? You taught yourself to the edge of knowledge of a very specific topic. This has shown you can do this and could do it again. * \"Be commissioned and trusted to develop entirely new methods, or technologies\" - Again, this absolutely true. As I just said above, you know how to push the edge of the unknown. * \"Many employers will be afraid to hire you for fear of you leaving when you realize you are making the same as your BS\/MS counterparts\" - If you encounter this, then you're looking in the wrong places. The places that know they need PhDs will know what they're looking for and won't be afraid to hire a PhD. You'll also be paid appropriate for the PhD. There are websites which list the starting salaries of PhDs in different fields, etc. I know the average starting salary of an ME PhD is right around $90k, with that going up or down based on industry and location. The average starting post-doc at a national lab is around $72k, I believe. Is it going to be harder to find a job? Significantly harder but that's because there's significantly less of them available which are appropriate for you. * \"NASA and JPL have position that require at least a masters. Some even require a phd.\" - These are effectively the positions you're looking at when you're looking for jobs. Look around at the jobs postings at most large companies including JPL, SpaceX, Boeing, Lockheed, GM, GE, etc. You'll see a decent number of positions that are MS required, PhD preferred (note, they even have a decent number of 0 year experience entry level positions with these requirements). A majority of these positions will be computationally focused - think FEA and CFD. Look around at these to get a sense of the jobs that are available to PhDs. * \"You go for industries which look for a specific qualification and there are some of them in which is easier to go up in the 'ranking' thanks to a Ph.D.\" - This is the last point I wanted to make. By having a PhD, you no longer have a ceiling on the technical track at most companies. You'll notice the more senior technical positions will start requiring MS and PhD. Also, these positions are significantly more saturated with PhDs than at the less senior levels.  I hope this helps some. I know it's a wall of text, but I just wanted to give some context from the PhD side of things since we are likely going to underrepresented in a sub like this. If there's any PhDs with more experience in industry, feel free to come by and kick the shit out of my answers. This is just my opinion from my own experience and experience of others I know.  As a note, from personal experience, the job I recently attained is not in a company's research lab. I accepted a position doing high strain rate computational mechanics focusing on fracture phenomena for a large company. The position is in the advanced development arm of the company. FWIW, during the hiring process, the manager told me that they are now hiring a minimum MS with a strong preference for PhDs. Apparently, BS level hires, even with some experience, were not working out doing this work for one reason or another. That's just my experience and I'm entirely sure if it's typical or atypical.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11565.0,"score_ratio":37.5}
{"post_id":"3113nf","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What sorts of things can you do with a PhD in engineering that you can't do with an MS or BS? Hi everyone, I am currently finishing my master's in electrical engineering am trying to think of what type of PhD I want and what sort of cool things I could maybe do with it. For my undergraduate I double majored in both electrical and mechanical engineering and minored in computer science. Then I started my MSEE and am considering many different areas for a PhD. I considered electrical, but I kind of want to broaden my abilities even further and go for a PhD in something else - maybe particle physics (maybe CERN?) or systems engineering.  Anyways, what sorts of cool jobs or fields could I involve myself in given my background assuming I had a PhD in said fields? I enjoy research and I love engineering so I'm not 'in it for the money' and in fact know that I will be poor for the greater duration of the degree.","c_root_id_A":"cpxo9em","c_root_id_B":"cpxmddx","created_at_utc_A":1427882861,"created_at_utc_B":1427873843,"score_A":70,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"Get called \"Doc\" or \"The Doctor\" by all your coworkers.","human_ref_B":"If you want to go into academic (i.e. becoming a Professor) you NEED a Ph.D.. There is no other way to become a professor than going through a Ph.D.  On the other side, if you have a Ph.D. you can find yourself in 2 different situations when you apply for a REAL JOB in industry for example:  1. You are too qualified for them, you are too specific into a subject and they want someone who is less qualified because too much qualification the most of the times means a higher salary (usually you can't pay a MS as a PhD).   2. You go for industries which look for a specific qualification and there are some of them in which is easier to go up in the 'ranking' thanks to a Ph.D.. Let's make an example: you want to work at Mercedes in Germany, it is likely that the chiefs of the projects have a PhD and to be a chief of a project you need, or at least is better to have, a PhD.   Hope it was helpful","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9018.0,"score_ratio":6.3636363636}
{"post_id":"3113nf","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What sorts of things can you do with a PhD in engineering that you can't do with an MS or BS? Hi everyone, I am currently finishing my master's in electrical engineering am trying to think of what type of PhD I want and what sort of cool things I could maybe do with it. For my undergraduate I double majored in both electrical and mechanical engineering and minored in computer science. Then I started my MSEE and am considering many different areas for a PhD. I considered electrical, but I kind of want to broaden my abilities even further and go for a PhD in something else - maybe particle physics (maybe CERN?) or systems engineering.  Anyways, what sorts of cool jobs or fields could I involve myself in given my background assuming I had a PhD in said fields? I enjoy research and I love engineering so I'm not 'in it for the money' and in fact know that I will be poor for the greater duration of the degree.","c_root_id_A":"cpxufz7","c_root_id_B":"cpxmddx","created_at_utc_A":1427900087,"created_at_utc_B":1427873843,"score_A":13,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"MechE prof here. The purpose of a PhD is not to broaden your expertise in a particular subject area, it is to teach you how to conduct research. You will learn the practices and methods used by your community, and you will develop the ability to learn independently and to blaze a path into some unknown territory. You will most likely find yourself taking additional classes, but that's only to round out your skill set and because, when you only have one or two at a time, classes are a lot of fun.    Because a PhD is meant to train you to do research, the job you should be looking for is a job in research. This is obviously found in acacemia, but only 30-40% of engineering PhDs pursue this route. Most engineering PhDs find positions doing research for the government (Los Alamos, NREL, NIST, etc.) start-ups, or big corporate research labs. I take issue with the idea that a PhD reduces your employment opportunities. While there is some truth to this, it misses the point - the people that say this don't work with a lot of PhDs. It may be true in their work environment, but the person with the PhD is also less likely to want these jobs. If you want a PhD and are going to make the commitment to get it, you are probably seeking a job that explicitly requires it.    Kind of off topic, but one downside of this is that you can actually become quite isolated from the \"real world.\" Whether you are in academia or government or industry, PhDs tend to work jobs that require a PhD and where many of your colleagues also have a PhD. Just as these employment opportunities are invisible to the engineer in industry, the real world of engineering can seem far away when you realize that all of your friends and family members also have a PhD, work in the same environment as you, and have the same priorities and lifestyle as you.","human_ref_B":"If you want to go into academic (i.e. becoming a Professor) you NEED a Ph.D.. There is no other way to become a professor than going through a Ph.D.  On the other side, if you have a Ph.D. you can find yourself in 2 different situations when you apply for a REAL JOB in industry for example:  1. You are too qualified for them, you are too specific into a subject and they want someone who is less qualified because too much qualification the most of the times means a higher salary (usually you can't pay a MS as a PhD).   2. You go for industries which look for a specific qualification and there are some of them in which is easier to go up in the 'ranking' thanks to a Ph.D.. Let's make an example: you want to work at Mercedes in Germany, it is likely that the chiefs of the projects have a PhD and to be a chief of a project you need, or at least is better to have, a PhD.   Hope it was helpful","labels":1,"seconds_difference":26244.0,"score_ratio":1.1818181818}
{"post_id":"3113nf","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What sorts of things can you do with a PhD in engineering that you can't do with an MS or BS? Hi everyone, I am currently finishing my master's in electrical engineering am trying to think of what type of PhD I want and what sort of cool things I could maybe do with it. For my undergraduate I double majored in both electrical and mechanical engineering and minored in computer science. Then I started my MSEE and am considering many different areas for a PhD. I considered electrical, but I kind of want to broaden my abilities even further and go for a PhD in something else - maybe particle physics (maybe CERN?) or systems engineering.  Anyways, what sorts of cool jobs or fields could I involve myself in given my background assuming I had a PhD in said fields? I enjoy research and I love engineering so I'm not 'in it for the money' and in fact know that I will be poor for the greater duration of the degree.","c_root_id_A":"cpxrf76","c_root_id_B":"cpxufz7","created_at_utc_A":1427893918,"created_at_utc_B":1427900087,"score_A":9,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"It sounds backwards, but a PhD can actually limit your job opportunities.  As others have mentioned you become overqualified for most engineering jobs, and many employers will be afraid to hire you for fear of you leaving when you realize you are making the same as your BS\/MS counterparts.","human_ref_B":"MechE prof here. The purpose of a PhD is not to broaden your expertise in a particular subject area, it is to teach you how to conduct research. You will learn the practices and methods used by your community, and you will develop the ability to learn independently and to blaze a path into some unknown territory. You will most likely find yourself taking additional classes, but that's only to round out your skill set and because, when you only have one or two at a time, classes are a lot of fun.    Because a PhD is meant to train you to do research, the job you should be looking for is a job in research. This is obviously found in acacemia, but only 30-40% of engineering PhDs pursue this route. Most engineering PhDs find positions doing research for the government (Los Alamos, NREL, NIST, etc.) start-ups, or big corporate research labs. I take issue with the idea that a PhD reduces your employment opportunities. While there is some truth to this, it misses the point - the people that say this don't work with a lot of PhDs. It may be true in their work environment, but the person with the PhD is also less likely to want these jobs. If you want a PhD and are going to make the commitment to get it, you are probably seeking a job that explicitly requires it.    Kind of off topic, but one downside of this is that you can actually become quite isolated from the \"real world.\" Whether you are in academia or government or industry, PhDs tend to work jobs that require a PhD and where many of your colleagues also have a PhD. Just as these employment opportunities are invisible to the engineer in industry, the real world of engineering can seem far away when you realize that all of your friends and family members also have a PhD, work in the same environment as you, and have the same priorities and lifestyle as you.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6169.0,"score_ratio":1.4444444444}
{"post_id":"3113nf","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What sorts of things can you do with a PhD in engineering that you can't do with an MS or BS? Hi everyone, I am currently finishing my master's in electrical engineering am trying to think of what type of PhD I want and what sort of cool things I could maybe do with it. For my undergraduate I double majored in both electrical and mechanical engineering and minored in computer science. Then I started my MSEE and am considering many different areas for a PhD. I considered electrical, but I kind of want to broaden my abilities even further and go for a PhD in something else - maybe particle physics (maybe CERN?) or systems engineering.  Anyways, what sorts of cool jobs or fields could I involve myself in given my background assuming I had a PhD in said fields? I enjoy research and I love engineering so I'm not 'in it for the money' and in fact know that I will be poor for the greater duration of the degree.","c_root_id_A":"cpxufz7","c_root_id_B":"cpxqdae","created_at_utc_A":1427900087,"created_at_utc_B":1427891100,"score_A":13,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"MechE prof here. The purpose of a PhD is not to broaden your expertise in a particular subject area, it is to teach you how to conduct research. You will learn the practices and methods used by your community, and you will develop the ability to learn independently and to blaze a path into some unknown territory. You will most likely find yourself taking additional classes, but that's only to round out your skill set and because, when you only have one or two at a time, classes are a lot of fun.    Because a PhD is meant to train you to do research, the job you should be looking for is a job in research. This is obviously found in acacemia, but only 30-40% of engineering PhDs pursue this route. Most engineering PhDs find positions doing research for the government (Los Alamos, NREL, NIST, etc.) start-ups, or big corporate research labs. I take issue with the idea that a PhD reduces your employment opportunities. While there is some truth to this, it misses the point - the people that say this don't work with a lot of PhDs. It may be true in their work environment, but the person with the PhD is also less likely to want these jobs. If you want a PhD and are going to make the commitment to get it, you are probably seeking a job that explicitly requires it.    Kind of off topic, but one downside of this is that you can actually become quite isolated from the \"real world.\" Whether you are in academia or government or industry, PhDs tend to work jobs that require a PhD and where many of your colleagues also have a PhD. Just as these employment opportunities are invisible to the engineer in industry, the real world of engineering can seem far away when you realize that all of your friends and family members also have a PhD, work in the same environment as you, and have the same priorities and lifestyle as you.","human_ref_B":"I'm in Nuclear Engineering and a PhD is standard for many research or licensing jobs (with an MASc absolutely required). This is partly because lots of nuclear engineering is taught at a graduate level and nuclear is a research\/analysis heavy field. There are lots of non-phds in the industry but they are somewhat limited in the areas they can advance.   As you move towards the industry there tends to be fewer phds but those there are then fload towards the higher positions.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8987.0,"score_ratio":2.6}
{"post_id":"3113nf","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What sorts of things can you do with a PhD in engineering that you can't do with an MS or BS? Hi everyone, I am currently finishing my master's in electrical engineering am trying to think of what type of PhD I want and what sort of cool things I could maybe do with it. For my undergraduate I double majored in both electrical and mechanical engineering and minored in computer science. Then I started my MSEE and am considering many different areas for a PhD. I considered electrical, but I kind of want to broaden my abilities even further and go for a PhD in something else - maybe particle physics (maybe CERN?) or systems engineering.  Anyways, what sorts of cool jobs or fields could I involve myself in given my background assuming I had a PhD in said fields? I enjoy research and I love engineering so I'm not 'in it for the money' and in fact know that I will be poor for the greater duration of the degree.","c_root_id_A":"cpxsrkk","c_root_id_B":"cpxufz7","created_at_utc_A":1427896860,"created_at_utc_B":1427900087,"score_A":3,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"Have you considered semiconductor engineering? Makes sense with your background and there are still some lucrative job prospects in industry if you don't want to stick with academia.","human_ref_B":"MechE prof here. The purpose of a PhD is not to broaden your expertise in a particular subject area, it is to teach you how to conduct research. You will learn the practices and methods used by your community, and you will develop the ability to learn independently and to blaze a path into some unknown territory. You will most likely find yourself taking additional classes, but that's only to round out your skill set and because, when you only have one or two at a time, classes are a lot of fun.    Because a PhD is meant to train you to do research, the job you should be looking for is a job in research. This is obviously found in acacemia, but only 30-40% of engineering PhDs pursue this route. Most engineering PhDs find positions doing research for the government (Los Alamos, NREL, NIST, etc.) start-ups, or big corporate research labs. I take issue with the idea that a PhD reduces your employment opportunities. While there is some truth to this, it misses the point - the people that say this don't work with a lot of PhDs. It may be true in their work environment, but the person with the PhD is also less likely to want these jobs. If you want a PhD and are going to make the commitment to get it, you are probably seeking a job that explicitly requires it.    Kind of off topic, but one downside of this is that you can actually become quite isolated from the \"real world.\" Whether you are in academia or government or industry, PhDs tend to work jobs that require a PhD and where many of your colleagues also have a PhD. Just as these employment opportunities are invisible to the engineer in industry, the real world of engineering can seem far away when you realize that all of your friends and family members also have a PhD, work in the same environment as you, and have the same priorities and lifestyle as you.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3227.0,"score_ratio":4.3333333333}
{"post_id":"3113nf","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What sorts of things can you do with a PhD in engineering that you can't do with an MS or BS? Hi everyone, I am currently finishing my master's in electrical engineering am trying to think of what type of PhD I want and what sort of cool things I could maybe do with it. For my undergraduate I double majored in both electrical and mechanical engineering and minored in computer science. Then I started my MSEE and am considering many different areas for a PhD. I considered electrical, but I kind of want to broaden my abilities even further and go for a PhD in something else - maybe particle physics (maybe CERN?) or systems engineering.  Anyways, what sorts of cool jobs or fields could I involve myself in given my background assuming I had a PhD in said fields? I enjoy research and I love engineering so I'm not 'in it for the money' and in fact know that I will be poor for the greater duration of the degree.","c_root_id_A":"cpxtjb9","c_root_id_B":"cpxufz7","created_at_utc_A":1427898386,"created_at_utc_B":1427900087,"score_A":3,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"A PhD is generally a path to a research oriented position or subject matter expert.   If you are interested in starting a business it can be easier to get government funding as a PhD for r&d (although anybody can apply). It may also be a great way to get network and get involved with projects and companies in their infancy.","human_ref_B":"MechE prof here. The purpose of a PhD is not to broaden your expertise in a particular subject area, it is to teach you how to conduct research. You will learn the practices and methods used by your community, and you will develop the ability to learn independently and to blaze a path into some unknown territory. You will most likely find yourself taking additional classes, but that's only to round out your skill set and because, when you only have one or two at a time, classes are a lot of fun.    Because a PhD is meant to train you to do research, the job you should be looking for is a job in research. This is obviously found in acacemia, but only 30-40% of engineering PhDs pursue this route. Most engineering PhDs find positions doing research for the government (Los Alamos, NREL, NIST, etc.) start-ups, or big corporate research labs. I take issue with the idea that a PhD reduces your employment opportunities. While there is some truth to this, it misses the point - the people that say this don't work with a lot of PhDs. It may be true in their work environment, but the person with the PhD is also less likely to want these jobs. If you want a PhD and are going to make the commitment to get it, you are probably seeking a job that explicitly requires it.    Kind of off topic, but one downside of this is that you can actually become quite isolated from the \"real world.\" Whether you are in academia or government or industry, PhDs tend to work jobs that require a PhD and where many of your colleagues also have a PhD. Just as these employment opportunities are invisible to the engineer in industry, the real world of engineering can seem far away when you realize that all of your friends and family members also have a PhD, work in the same environment as you, and have the same priorities and lifestyle as you.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1701.0,"score_ratio":4.3333333333}
{"post_id":"3113nf","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What sorts of things can you do with a PhD in engineering that you can't do with an MS or BS? Hi everyone, I am currently finishing my master's in electrical engineering am trying to think of what type of PhD I want and what sort of cool things I could maybe do with it. For my undergraduate I double majored in both electrical and mechanical engineering and minored in computer science. Then I started my MSEE and am considering many different areas for a PhD. I considered electrical, but I kind of want to broaden my abilities even further and go for a PhD in something else - maybe particle physics (maybe CERN?) or systems engineering.  Anyways, what sorts of cool jobs or fields could I involve myself in given my background assuming I had a PhD in said fields? I enjoy research and I love engineering so I'm not 'in it for the money' and in fact know that I will be poor for the greater duration of the degree.","c_root_id_A":"cpxufz7","c_root_id_B":"cpxq8mm","created_at_utc_A":1427900087,"created_at_utc_B":1427890717,"score_A":13,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"MechE prof here. The purpose of a PhD is not to broaden your expertise in a particular subject area, it is to teach you how to conduct research. You will learn the practices and methods used by your community, and you will develop the ability to learn independently and to blaze a path into some unknown territory. You will most likely find yourself taking additional classes, but that's only to round out your skill set and because, when you only have one or two at a time, classes are a lot of fun.    Because a PhD is meant to train you to do research, the job you should be looking for is a job in research. This is obviously found in acacemia, but only 30-40% of engineering PhDs pursue this route. Most engineering PhDs find positions doing research for the government (Los Alamos, NREL, NIST, etc.) start-ups, or big corporate research labs. I take issue with the idea that a PhD reduces your employment opportunities. While there is some truth to this, it misses the point - the people that say this don't work with a lot of PhDs. It may be true in their work environment, but the person with the PhD is also less likely to want these jobs. If you want a PhD and are going to make the commitment to get it, you are probably seeking a job that explicitly requires it.    Kind of off topic, but one downside of this is that you can actually become quite isolated from the \"real world.\" Whether you are in academia or government or industry, PhDs tend to work jobs that require a PhD and where many of your colleagues also have a PhD. Just as these employment opportunities are invisible to the engineer in industry, the real world of engineering can seem far away when you realize that all of your friends and family members also have a PhD, work in the same environment as you, and have the same priorities and lifestyle as you.","human_ref_B":"Be commissioned and trusted to develop entirely new methods, or technologies.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9370.0,"score_ratio":3.25}
{"post_id":"3113nf","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What sorts of things can you do with a PhD in engineering that you can't do with an MS or BS? Hi everyone, I am currently finishing my master's in electrical engineering am trying to think of what type of PhD I want and what sort of cool things I could maybe do with it. For my undergraduate I double majored in both electrical and mechanical engineering and minored in computer science. Then I started my MSEE and am considering many different areas for a PhD. I considered electrical, but I kind of want to broaden my abilities even further and go for a PhD in something else - maybe particle physics (maybe CERN?) or systems engineering.  Anyways, what sorts of cool jobs or fields could I involve myself in given my background assuming I had a PhD in said fields? I enjoy research and I love engineering so I'm not 'in it for the money' and in fact know that I will be poor for the greater duration of the degree.","c_root_id_A":"cpxrdq5","c_root_id_B":"cpxufz7","created_at_utc_A":1427893819,"created_at_utc_B":1427900087,"score_A":2,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"Lead research.","human_ref_B":"MechE prof here. The purpose of a PhD is not to broaden your expertise in a particular subject area, it is to teach you how to conduct research. You will learn the practices and methods used by your community, and you will develop the ability to learn independently and to blaze a path into some unknown territory. You will most likely find yourself taking additional classes, but that's only to round out your skill set and because, when you only have one or two at a time, classes are a lot of fun.    Because a PhD is meant to train you to do research, the job you should be looking for is a job in research. This is obviously found in acacemia, but only 30-40% of engineering PhDs pursue this route. Most engineering PhDs find positions doing research for the government (Los Alamos, NREL, NIST, etc.) start-ups, or big corporate research labs. I take issue with the idea that a PhD reduces your employment opportunities. While there is some truth to this, it misses the point - the people that say this don't work with a lot of PhDs. It may be true in their work environment, but the person with the PhD is also less likely to want these jobs. If you want a PhD and are going to make the commitment to get it, you are probably seeking a job that explicitly requires it.    Kind of off topic, but one downside of this is that you can actually become quite isolated from the \"real world.\" Whether you are in academia or government or industry, PhDs tend to work jobs that require a PhD and where many of your colleagues also have a PhD. Just as these employment opportunities are invisible to the engineer in industry, the real world of engineering can seem far away when you realize that all of your friends and family members also have a PhD, work in the same environment as you, and have the same priorities and lifestyle as you.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6268.0,"score_ratio":6.5}
{"post_id":"3113nf","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What sorts of things can you do with a PhD in engineering that you can't do with an MS or BS? Hi everyone, I am currently finishing my master's in electrical engineering am trying to think of what type of PhD I want and what sort of cool things I could maybe do with it. For my undergraduate I double majored in both electrical and mechanical engineering and minored in computer science. Then I started my MSEE and am considering many different areas for a PhD. I considered electrical, but I kind of want to broaden my abilities even further and go for a PhD in something else - maybe particle physics (maybe CERN?) or systems engineering.  Anyways, what sorts of cool jobs or fields could I involve myself in given my background assuming I had a PhD in said fields? I enjoy research and I love engineering so I'm not 'in it for the money' and in fact know that I will be poor for the greater duration of the degree.","c_root_id_A":"cpxrtpx","c_root_id_B":"cpxufz7","created_at_utc_A":1427894856,"created_at_utc_B":1427900087,"score_A":2,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"NASA and JPL have position that require at least a masters. Some even require a phd.","human_ref_B":"MechE prof here. The purpose of a PhD is not to broaden your expertise in a particular subject area, it is to teach you how to conduct research. You will learn the practices and methods used by your community, and you will develop the ability to learn independently and to blaze a path into some unknown territory. You will most likely find yourself taking additional classes, but that's only to round out your skill set and because, when you only have one or two at a time, classes are a lot of fun.    Because a PhD is meant to train you to do research, the job you should be looking for is a job in research. This is obviously found in acacemia, but only 30-40% of engineering PhDs pursue this route. Most engineering PhDs find positions doing research for the government (Los Alamos, NREL, NIST, etc.) start-ups, or big corporate research labs. I take issue with the idea that a PhD reduces your employment opportunities. While there is some truth to this, it misses the point - the people that say this don't work with a lot of PhDs. It may be true in their work environment, but the person with the PhD is also less likely to want these jobs. If you want a PhD and are going to make the commitment to get it, you are probably seeking a job that explicitly requires it.    Kind of off topic, but one downside of this is that you can actually become quite isolated from the \"real world.\" Whether you are in academia or government or industry, PhDs tend to work jobs that require a PhD and where many of your colleagues also have a PhD. Just as these employment opportunities are invisible to the engineer in industry, the real world of engineering can seem far away when you realize that all of your friends and family members also have a PhD, work in the same environment as you, and have the same priorities and lifestyle as you.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5231.0,"score_ratio":6.5}
{"post_id":"3113nf","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What sorts of things can you do with a PhD in engineering that you can't do with an MS or BS? Hi everyone, I am currently finishing my master's in electrical engineering am trying to think of what type of PhD I want and what sort of cool things I could maybe do with it. For my undergraduate I double majored in both electrical and mechanical engineering and minored in computer science. Then I started my MSEE and am considering many different areas for a PhD. I considered electrical, but I kind of want to broaden my abilities even further and go for a PhD in something else - maybe particle physics (maybe CERN?) or systems engineering.  Anyways, what sorts of cool jobs or fields could I involve myself in given my background assuming I had a PhD in said fields? I enjoy research and I love engineering so I'm not 'in it for the money' and in fact know that I will be poor for the greater duration of the degree.","c_root_id_A":"cpxp3nt","c_root_id_B":"cpxufz7","created_at_utc_A":1427886696,"created_at_utc_B":1427900087,"score_A":2,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"You won't be \"broadening\" your abilities as a Ph.D, instead you'll be refining and constricting yourself to a specialty of whatever it was you worked with.  Don't expect a Ph.D to be useful without some experience.","human_ref_B":"MechE prof here. The purpose of a PhD is not to broaden your expertise in a particular subject area, it is to teach you how to conduct research. You will learn the practices and methods used by your community, and you will develop the ability to learn independently and to blaze a path into some unknown territory. You will most likely find yourself taking additional classes, but that's only to round out your skill set and because, when you only have one or two at a time, classes are a lot of fun.    Because a PhD is meant to train you to do research, the job you should be looking for is a job in research. This is obviously found in acacemia, but only 30-40% of engineering PhDs pursue this route. Most engineering PhDs find positions doing research for the government (Los Alamos, NREL, NIST, etc.) start-ups, or big corporate research labs. I take issue with the idea that a PhD reduces your employment opportunities. While there is some truth to this, it misses the point - the people that say this don't work with a lot of PhDs. It may be true in their work environment, but the person with the PhD is also less likely to want these jobs. If you want a PhD and are going to make the commitment to get it, you are probably seeking a job that explicitly requires it.    Kind of off topic, but one downside of this is that you can actually become quite isolated from the \"real world.\" Whether you are in academia or government or industry, PhDs tend to work jobs that require a PhD and where many of your colleagues also have a PhD. Just as these employment opportunities are invisible to the engineer in industry, the real world of engineering can seem far away when you realize that all of your friends and family members also have a PhD, work in the same environment as you, and have the same priorities and lifestyle as you.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":13391.0,"score_ratio":6.5}
{"post_id":"3113nf","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What sorts of things can you do with a PhD in engineering that you can't do with an MS or BS? Hi everyone, I am currently finishing my master's in electrical engineering am trying to think of what type of PhD I want and what sort of cool things I could maybe do with it. For my undergraduate I double majored in both electrical and mechanical engineering and minored in computer science. Then I started my MSEE and am considering many different areas for a PhD. I considered electrical, but I kind of want to broaden my abilities even further and go for a PhD in something else - maybe particle physics (maybe CERN?) or systems engineering.  Anyways, what sorts of cool jobs or fields could I involve myself in given my background assuming I had a PhD in said fields? I enjoy research and I love engineering so I'm not 'in it for the money' and in fact know that I will be poor for the greater duration of the degree.","c_root_id_A":"cpxrf76","c_root_id_B":"cpxqdae","created_at_utc_A":1427893918,"created_at_utc_B":1427891100,"score_A":9,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"It sounds backwards, but a PhD can actually limit your job opportunities.  As others have mentioned you become overqualified for most engineering jobs, and many employers will be afraid to hire you for fear of you leaving when you realize you are making the same as your BS\/MS counterparts.","human_ref_B":"I'm in Nuclear Engineering and a PhD is standard for many research or licensing jobs (with an MASc absolutely required). This is partly because lots of nuclear engineering is taught at a graduate level and nuclear is a research\/analysis heavy field. There are lots of non-phds in the industry but they are somewhat limited in the areas they can advance.   As you move towards the industry there tends to be fewer phds but those there are then fload towards the higher positions.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2818.0,"score_ratio":1.8}
{"post_id":"3113nf","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What sorts of things can you do with a PhD in engineering that you can't do with an MS or BS? Hi everyone, I am currently finishing my master's in electrical engineering am trying to think of what type of PhD I want and what sort of cool things I could maybe do with it. For my undergraduate I double majored in both electrical and mechanical engineering and minored in computer science. Then I started my MSEE and am considering many different areas for a PhD. I considered electrical, but I kind of want to broaden my abilities even further and go for a PhD in something else - maybe particle physics (maybe CERN?) or systems engineering.  Anyways, what sorts of cool jobs or fields could I involve myself in given my background assuming I had a PhD in said fields? I enjoy research and I love engineering so I'm not 'in it for the money' and in fact know that I will be poor for the greater duration of the degree.","c_root_id_A":"cpxq8mm","c_root_id_B":"cpxrf76","created_at_utc_A":1427890717,"created_at_utc_B":1427893918,"score_A":4,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Be commissioned and trusted to develop entirely new methods, or technologies.","human_ref_B":"It sounds backwards, but a PhD can actually limit your job opportunities.  As others have mentioned you become overqualified for most engineering jobs, and many employers will be afraid to hire you for fear of you leaving when you realize you are making the same as your BS\/MS counterparts.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3201.0,"score_ratio":2.25}
{"post_id":"3113nf","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What sorts of things can you do with a PhD in engineering that you can't do with an MS or BS? Hi everyone, I am currently finishing my master's in electrical engineering am trying to think of what type of PhD I want and what sort of cool things I could maybe do with it. For my undergraduate I double majored in both electrical and mechanical engineering and minored in computer science. Then I started my MSEE and am considering many different areas for a PhD. I considered electrical, but I kind of want to broaden my abilities even further and go for a PhD in something else - maybe particle physics (maybe CERN?) or systems engineering.  Anyways, what sorts of cool jobs or fields could I involve myself in given my background assuming I had a PhD in said fields? I enjoy research and I love engineering so I'm not 'in it for the money' and in fact know that I will be poor for the greater duration of the degree.","c_root_id_A":"cpxrdq5","c_root_id_B":"cpxrf76","created_at_utc_A":1427893819,"created_at_utc_B":1427893918,"score_A":2,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Lead research.","human_ref_B":"It sounds backwards, but a PhD can actually limit your job opportunities.  As others have mentioned you become overqualified for most engineering jobs, and many employers will be afraid to hire you for fear of you leaving when you realize you are making the same as your BS\/MS counterparts.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":99.0,"score_ratio":4.5}
{"post_id":"3113nf","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What sorts of things can you do with a PhD in engineering that you can't do with an MS or BS? Hi everyone, I am currently finishing my master's in electrical engineering am trying to think of what type of PhD I want and what sort of cool things I could maybe do with it. For my undergraduate I double majored in both electrical and mechanical engineering and minored in computer science. Then I started my MSEE and am considering many different areas for a PhD. I considered electrical, but I kind of want to broaden my abilities even further and go for a PhD in something else - maybe particle physics (maybe CERN?) or systems engineering.  Anyways, what sorts of cool jobs or fields could I involve myself in given my background assuming I had a PhD in said fields? I enjoy research and I love engineering so I'm not 'in it for the money' and in fact know that I will be poor for the greater duration of the degree.","c_root_id_A":"cpxp3nt","c_root_id_B":"cpxrf76","created_at_utc_A":1427886696,"created_at_utc_B":1427893918,"score_A":2,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"You won't be \"broadening\" your abilities as a Ph.D, instead you'll be refining and constricting yourself to a specialty of whatever it was you worked with.  Don't expect a Ph.D to be useful without some experience.","human_ref_B":"It sounds backwards, but a PhD can actually limit your job opportunities.  As others have mentioned you become overqualified for most engineering jobs, and many employers will be afraid to hire you for fear of you leaving when you realize you are making the same as your BS\/MS counterparts.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7222.0,"score_ratio":4.5}
{"post_id":"3113nf","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What sorts of things can you do with a PhD in engineering that you can't do with an MS or BS? Hi everyone, I am currently finishing my master's in electrical engineering am trying to think of what type of PhD I want and what sort of cool things I could maybe do with it. For my undergraduate I double majored in both electrical and mechanical engineering and minored in computer science. Then I started my MSEE and am considering many different areas for a PhD. I considered electrical, but I kind of want to broaden my abilities even further and go for a PhD in something else - maybe particle physics (maybe CERN?) or systems engineering.  Anyways, what sorts of cool jobs or fields could I involve myself in given my background assuming I had a PhD in said fields? I enjoy research and I love engineering so I'm not 'in it for the money' and in fact know that I will be poor for the greater duration of the degree.","c_root_id_A":"cpxqdae","c_root_id_B":"cpxq8mm","created_at_utc_A":1427891100,"created_at_utc_B":1427890717,"score_A":5,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I'm in Nuclear Engineering and a PhD is standard for many research or licensing jobs (with an MASc absolutely required). This is partly because lots of nuclear engineering is taught at a graduate level and nuclear is a research\/analysis heavy field. There are lots of non-phds in the industry but they are somewhat limited in the areas they can advance.   As you move towards the industry there tends to be fewer phds but those there are then fload towards the higher positions.","human_ref_B":"Be commissioned and trusted to develop entirely new methods, or technologies.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":383.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"3113nf","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What sorts of things can you do with a PhD in engineering that you can't do with an MS or BS? Hi everyone, I am currently finishing my master's in electrical engineering am trying to think of what type of PhD I want and what sort of cool things I could maybe do with it. For my undergraduate I double majored in both electrical and mechanical engineering and minored in computer science. Then I started my MSEE and am considering many different areas for a PhD. I considered electrical, but I kind of want to broaden my abilities even further and go for a PhD in something else - maybe particle physics (maybe CERN?) or systems engineering.  Anyways, what sorts of cool jobs or fields could I involve myself in given my background assuming I had a PhD in said fields? I enjoy research and I love engineering so I'm not 'in it for the money' and in fact know that I will be poor for the greater duration of the degree.","c_root_id_A":"cpxp3nt","c_root_id_B":"cpxqdae","created_at_utc_A":1427886696,"created_at_utc_B":1427891100,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"You won't be \"broadening\" your abilities as a Ph.D, instead you'll be refining and constricting yourself to a specialty of whatever it was you worked with.  Don't expect a Ph.D to be useful without some experience.","human_ref_B":"I'm in Nuclear Engineering and a PhD is standard for many research or licensing jobs (with an MASc absolutely required). This is partly because lots of nuclear engineering is taught at a graduate level and nuclear is a research\/analysis heavy field. There are lots of non-phds in the industry but they are somewhat limited in the areas they can advance.   As you move towards the industry there tends to be fewer phds but those there are then fload towards the higher positions.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4404.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"3113nf","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What sorts of things can you do with a PhD in engineering that you can't do with an MS or BS? Hi everyone, I am currently finishing my master's in electrical engineering am trying to think of what type of PhD I want and what sort of cool things I could maybe do with it. For my undergraduate I double majored in both electrical and mechanical engineering and minored in computer science. Then I started my MSEE and am considering many different areas for a PhD. I considered electrical, but I kind of want to broaden my abilities even further and go for a PhD in something else - maybe particle physics (maybe CERN?) or systems engineering.  Anyways, what sorts of cool jobs or fields could I involve myself in given my background assuming I had a PhD in said fields? I enjoy research and I love engineering so I'm not 'in it for the money' and in fact know that I will be poor for the greater duration of the degree.","c_root_id_A":"cpxsrkk","c_root_id_B":"cpxrdq5","created_at_utc_A":1427896860,"created_at_utc_B":1427893819,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Have you considered semiconductor engineering? Makes sense with your background and there are still some lucrative job prospects in industry if you don't want to stick with academia.","human_ref_B":"Lead research.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3041.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"3113nf","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What sorts of things can you do with a PhD in engineering that you can't do with an MS or BS? Hi everyone, I am currently finishing my master's in electrical engineering am trying to think of what type of PhD I want and what sort of cool things I could maybe do with it. For my undergraduate I double majored in both electrical and mechanical engineering and minored in computer science. Then I started my MSEE and am considering many different areas for a PhD. I considered electrical, but I kind of want to broaden my abilities even further and go for a PhD in something else - maybe particle physics (maybe CERN?) or systems engineering.  Anyways, what sorts of cool jobs or fields could I involve myself in given my background assuming I had a PhD in said fields? I enjoy research and I love engineering so I'm not 'in it for the money' and in fact know that I will be poor for the greater duration of the degree.","c_root_id_A":"cpxrtpx","c_root_id_B":"cpxsrkk","created_at_utc_A":1427894856,"created_at_utc_B":1427896860,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"NASA and JPL have position that require at least a masters. Some even require a phd.","human_ref_B":"Have you considered semiconductor engineering? Makes sense with your background and there are still some lucrative job prospects in industry if you don't want to stick with academia.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2004.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"3113nf","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What sorts of things can you do with a PhD in engineering that you can't do with an MS or BS? Hi everyone, I am currently finishing my master's in electrical engineering am trying to think of what type of PhD I want and what sort of cool things I could maybe do with it. For my undergraduate I double majored in both electrical and mechanical engineering and minored in computer science. Then I started my MSEE and am considering many different areas for a PhD. I considered electrical, but I kind of want to broaden my abilities even further and go for a PhD in something else - maybe particle physics (maybe CERN?) or systems engineering.  Anyways, what sorts of cool jobs or fields could I involve myself in given my background assuming I had a PhD in said fields? I enjoy research and I love engineering so I'm not 'in it for the money' and in fact know that I will be poor for the greater duration of the degree.","c_root_id_A":"cpxsrkk","c_root_id_B":"cpxp3nt","created_at_utc_A":1427896860,"created_at_utc_B":1427886696,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Have you considered semiconductor engineering? Makes sense with your background and there are still some lucrative job prospects in industry if you don't want to stick with academia.","human_ref_B":"You won't be \"broadening\" your abilities as a Ph.D, instead you'll be refining and constricting yourself to a specialty of whatever it was you worked with.  Don't expect a Ph.D to be useful without some experience.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10164.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"3113nf","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What sorts of things can you do with a PhD in engineering that you can't do with an MS or BS? Hi everyone, I am currently finishing my master's in electrical engineering am trying to think of what type of PhD I want and what sort of cool things I could maybe do with it. For my undergraduate I double majored in both electrical and mechanical engineering and minored in computer science. Then I started my MSEE and am considering many different areas for a PhD. I considered electrical, but I kind of want to broaden my abilities even further and go for a PhD in something else - maybe particle physics (maybe CERN?) or systems engineering.  Anyways, what sorts of cool jobs or fields could I involve myself in given my background assuming I had a PhD in said fields? I enjoy research and I love engineering so I'm not 'in it for the money' and in fact know that I will be poor for the greater duration of the degree.","c_root_id_A":"cpxrdq5","c_root_id_B":"cpxtjb9","created_at_utc_A":1427893819,"created_at_utc_B":1427898386,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Lead research.","human_ref_B":"A PhD is generally a path to a research oriented position or subject matter expert.   If you are interested in starting a business it can be easier to get government funding as a PhD for r&d (although anybody can apply). It may also be a great way to get network and get involved with projects and companies in their infancy.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4567.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"3113nf","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What sorts of things can you do with a PhD in engineering that you can't do with an MS or BS? Hi everyone, I am currently finishing my master's in electrical engineering am trying to think of what type of PhD I want and what sort of cool things I could maybe do with it. For my undergraduate I double majored in both electrical and mechanical engineering and minored in computer science. Then I started my MSEE and am considering many different areas for a PhD. I considered electrical, but I kind of want to broaden my abilities even further and go for a PhD in something else - maybe particle physics (maybe CERN?) or systems engineering.  Anyways, what sorts of cool jobs or fields could I involve myself in given my background assuming I had a PhD in said fields? I enjoy research and I love engineering so I'm not 'in it for the money' and in fact know that I will be poor for the greater duration of the degree.","c_root_id_A":"cpxtjb9","c_root_id_B":"cpxrtpx","created_at_utc_A":1427898386,"created_at_utc_B":1427894856,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"A PhD is generally a path to a research oriented position or subject matter expert.   If you are interested in starting a business it can be easier to get government funding as a PhD for r&d (although anybody can apply). It may also be a great way to get network and get involved with projects and companies in their infancy.","human_ref_B":"NASA and JPL have position that require at least a masters. Some even require a phd.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3530.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"3113nf","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What sorts of things can you do with a PhD in engineering that you can't do with an MS or BS? Hi everyone, I am currently finishing my master's in electrical engineering am trying to think of what type of PhD I want and what sort of cool things I could maybe do with it. For my undergraduate I double majored in both electrical and mechanical engineering and minored in computer science. Then I started my MSEE and am considering many different areas for a PhD. I considered electrical, but I kind of want to broaden my abilities even further and go for a PhD in something else - maybe particle physics (maybe CERN?) or systems engineering.  Anyways, what sorts of cool jobs or fields could I involve myself in given my background assuming I had a PhD in said fields? I enjoy research and I love engineering so I'm not 'in it for the money' and in fact know that I will be poor for the greater duration of the degree.","c_root_id_A":"cpxp3nt","c_root_id_B":"cpxtjb9","created_at_utc_A":1427886696,"created_at_utc_B":1427898386,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"You won't be \"broadening\" your abilities as a Ph.D, instead you'll be refining and constricting yourself to a specialty of whatever it was you worked with.  Don't expect a Ph.D to be useful without some experience.","human_ref_B":"A PhD is generally a path to a research oriented position or subject matter expert.   If you are interested in starting a business it can be easier to get government funding as a PhD for r&d (although anybody can apply). It may also be a great way to get network and get involved with projects and companies in their infancy.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11690.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"3113nf","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What sorts of things can you do with a PhD in engineering that you can't do with an MS or BS? Hi everyone, I am currently finishing my master's in electrical engineering am trying to think of what type of PhD I want and what sort of cool things I could maybe do with it. For my undergraduate I double majored in both electrical and mechanical engineering and minored in computer science. Then I started my MSEE and am considering many different areas for a PhD. I considered electrical, but I kind of want to broaden my abilities even further and go for a PhD in something else - maybe particle physics (maybe CERN?) or systems engineering.  Anyways, what sorts of cool jobs or fields could I involve myself in given my background assuming I had a PhD in said fields? I enjoy research and I love engineering so I'm not 'in it for the money' and in fact know that I will be poor for the greater duration of the degree.","c_root_id_A":"cpxrdq5","c_root_id_B":"cpxule5","created_at_utc_A":1427893819,"created_at_utc_B":1427900355,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Lead research.","human_ref_B":"I commend you for realizing you have to do this because it is your passion, hobby, goal, meaning, life, and not because you want to be manager of CAD design engineers because it brings in big bucks and has a silly title, but is boring and simplistic as hell.    After working for several years with a BS I went back to get a MS because the coolest work was done by people with advanced degrees, and honestly, it should be because I was not prepared for those roles. Then after working for several more years in a more analytical position with the MS I again noticed this difference when you look at what PhD's are doing.  So now I am just starting my PhD.  Don't let anyone tell you how their work experience trumps your education, or how work experience is more important, or how you can learn everything on the job.  Those are people trying to rationalize their decisions in life.  There IS a massive difference that I can attest to having been in EVERY position from bottom up so far.  Besides that rant, semiconductor industry is hot and while working there they couldn't get enough PhD's from electrical, mechatronics, and computer engineering.  And since a PhD is fundamentally creating a very narrow direction I wouldn't look at it as a broadening, and you would find happiness and success in depth of the right field.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6536.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"3113nf","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What sorts of things can you do with a PhD in engineering that you can't do with an MS or BS? Hi everyone, I am currently finishing my master's in electrical engineering am trying to think of what type of PhD I want and what sort of cool things I could maybe do with it. For my undergraduate I double majored in both electrical and mechanical engineering and minored in computer science. Then I started my MSEE and am considering many different areas for a PhD. I considered electrical, but I kind of want to broaden my abilities even further and go for a PhD in something else - maybe particle physics (maybe CERN?) or systems engineering.  Anyways, what sorts of cool jobs or fields could I involve myself in given my background assuming I had a PhD in said fields? I enjoy research and I love engineering so I'm not 'in it for the money' and in fact know that I will be poor for the greater duration of the degree.","c_root_id_A":"cpxrtpx","c_root_id_B":"cpxule5","created_at_utc_A":1427894856,"created_at_utc_B":1427900355,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"NASA and JPL have position that require at least a masters. Some even require a phd.","human_ref_B":"I commend you for realizing you have to do this because it is your passion, hobby, goal, meaning, life, and not because you want to be manager of CAD design engineers because it brings in big bucks and has a silly title, but is boring and simplistic as hell.    After working for several years with a BS I went back to get a MS because the coolest work was done by people with advanced degrees, and honestly, it should be because I was not prepared for those roles. Then after working for several more years in a more analytical position with the MS I again noticed this difference when you look at what PhD's are doing.  So now I am just starting my PhD.  Don't let anyone tell you how their work experience trumps your education, or how work experience is more important, or how you can learn everything on the job.  Those are people trying to rationalize their decisions in life.  There IS a massive difference that I can attest to having been in EVERY position from bottom up so far.  Besides that rant, semiconductor industry is hot and while working there they couldn't get enough PhD's from electrical, mechatronics, and computer engineering.  And since a PhD is fundamentally creating a very narrow direction I wouldn't look at it as a broadening, and you would find happiness and success in depth of the right field.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5499.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"3113nf","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What sorts of things can you do with a PhD in engineering that you can't do with an MS or BS? Hi everyone, I am currently finishing my master's in electrical engineering am trying to think of what type of PhD I want and what sort of cool things I could maybe do with it. For my undergraduate I double majored in both electrical and mechanical engineering and minored in computer science. Then I started my MSEE and am considering many different areas for a PhD. I considered electrical, but I kind of want to broaden my abilities even further and go for a PhD in something else - maybe particle physics (maybe CERN?) or systems engineering.  Anyways, what sorts of cool jobs or fields could I involve myself in given my background assuming I had a PhD in said fields? I enjoy research and I love engineering so I'm not 'in it for the money' and in fact know that I will be poor for the greater duration of the degree.","c_root_id_A":"cpxule5","c_root_id_B":"cpxp3nt","created_at_utc_A":1427900355,"created_at_utc_B":1427886696,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I commend you for realizing you have to do this because it is your passion, hobby, goal, meaning, life, and not because you want to be manager of CAD design engineers because it brings in big bucks and has a silly title, but is boring and simplistic as hell.    After working for several years with a BS I went back to get a MS because the coolest work was done by people with advanced degrees, and honestly, it should be because I was not prepared for those roles. Then after working for several more years in a more analytical position with the MS I again noticed this difference when you look at what PhD's are doing.  So now I am just starting my PhD.  Don't let anyone tell you how their work experience trumps your education, or how work experience is more important, or how you can learn everything on the job.  Those are people trying to rationalize their decisions in life.  There IS a massive difference that I can attest to having been in EVERY position from bottom up so far.  Besides that rant, semiconductor industry is hot and while working there they couldn't get enough PhD's from electrical, mechatronics, and computer engineering.  And since a PhD is fundamentally creating a very narrow direction I wouldn't look at it as a broadening, and you would find happiness and success in depth of the right field.","human_ref_B":"You won't be \"broadening\" your abilities as a Ph.D, instead you'll be refining and constricting yourself to a specialty of whatever it was you worked with.  Don't expect a Ph.D to be useful without some experience.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":13659.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"3113nf","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What sorts of things can you do with a PhD in engineering that you can't do with an MS or BS? Hi everyone, I am currently finishing my master's in electrical engineering am trying to think of what type of PhD I want and what sort of cool things I could maybe do with it. For my undergraduate I double majored in both electrical and mechanical engineering and minored in computer science. Then I started my MSEE and am considering many different areas for a PhD. I considered electrical, but I kind of want to broaden my abilities even further and go for a PhD in something else - maybe particle physics (maybe CERN?) or systems engineering.  Anyways, what sorts of cool jobs or fields could I involve myself in given my background assuming I had a PhD in said fields? I enjoy research and I love engineering so I'm not 'in it for the money' and in fact know that I will be poor for the greater duration of the degree.","c_root_id_A":"cpxus3k","c_root_id_B":"cpxrdq5","created_at_utc_A":1427900688,"created_at_utc_B":1427893819,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"For industry, I've seen job posts where they specifically ask for EEs with PhD. They were mostly semiconductor, RF or DSP design positions. Not sure about mechanical engineering.  I'd recommend visiting a few job boards (simplyhired, indeed, etc) and typing searching for EE phD or ME PhD positions just to give you a glimpse of current industry jobs. I always recommend this to engineering students asking what kind of jobs we can get.","human_ref_B":"Lead research.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6869.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"3113nf","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What sorts of things can you do with a PhD in engineering that you can't do with an MS or BS? Hi everyone, I am currently finishing my master's in electrical engineering am trying to think of what type of PhD I want and what sort of cool things I could maybe do with it. For my undergraduate I double majored in both electrical and mechanical engineering and minored in computer science. Then I started my MSEE and am considering many different areas for a PhD. I considered electrical, but I kind of want to broaden my abilities even further and go for a PhD in something else - maybe particle physics (maybe CERN?) or systems engineering.  Anyways, what sorts of cool jobs or fields could I involve myself in given my background assuming I had a PhD in said fields? I enjoy research and I love engineering so I'm not 'in it for the money' and in fact know that I will be poor for the greater duration of the degree.","c_root_id_A":"cpxus3k","c_root_id_B":"cpxrtpx","created_at_utc_A":1427900688,"created_at_utc_B":1427894856,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"For industry, I've seen job posts where they specifically ask for EEs with PhD. They were mostly semiconductor, RF or DSP design positions. Not sure about mechanical engineering.  I'd recommend visiting a few job boards (simplyhired, indeed, etc) and typing searching for EE phD or ME PhD positions just to give you a glimpse of current industry jobs. I always recommend this to engineering students asking what kind of jobs we can get.","human_ref_B":"NASA and JPL have position that require at least a masters. Some even require a phd.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5832.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"3113nf","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What sorts of things can you do with a PhD in engineering that you can't do with an MS or BS? Hi everyone, I am currently finishing my master's in electrical engineering am trying to think of what type of PhD I want and what sort of cool things I could maybe do with it. For my undergraduate I double majored in both electrical and mechanical engineering and minored in computer science. Then I started my MSEE and am considering many different areas for a PhD. I considered electrical, but I kind of want to broaden my abilities even further and go for a PhD in something else - maybe particle physics (maybe CERN?) or systems engineering.  Anyways, what sorts of cool jobs or fields could I involve myself in given my background assuming I had a PhD in said fields? I enjoy research and I love engineering so I'm not 'in it for the money' and in fact know that I will be poor for the greater duration of the degree.","c_root_id_A":"cpxp3nt","c_root_id_B":"cpxus3k","created_at_utc_A":1427886696,"created_at_utc_B":1427900688,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"You won't be \"broadening\" your abilities as a Ph.D, instead you'll be refining and constricting yourself to a specialty of whatever it was you worked with.  Don't expect a Ph.D to be useful without some experience.","human_ref_B":"For industry, I've seen job posts where they specifically ask for EEs with PhD. They were mostly semiconductor, RF or DSP design positions. Not sure about mechanical engineering.  I'd recommend visiting a few job boards (simplyhired, indeed, etc) and typing searching for EE phD or ME PhD positions just to give you a glimpse of current industry jobs. I always recommend this to engineering students asking what kind of jobs we can get.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":13992.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"3113nf","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"What sorts of things can you do with a PhD in engineering that you can't do with an MS or BS? Hi everyone, I am currently finishing my master's in electrical engineering am trying to think of what type of PhD I want and what sort of cool things I could maybe do with it. For my undergraduate I double majored in both electrical and mechanical engineering and minored in computer science. Then I started my MSEE and am considering many different areas for a PhD. I considered electrical, but I kind of want to broaden my abilities even further and go for a PhD in something else - maybe particle physics (maybe CERN?) or systems engineering.  Anyways, what sorts of cool jobs or fields could I involve myself in given my background assuming I had a PhD in said fields? I enjoy research and I love engineering so I'm not 'in it for the money' and in fact know that I will be poor for the greater duration of the degree.","c_root_id_A":"cpxq8mm","c_root_id_B":"cpxp3nt","created_at_utc_A":1427890717,"created_at_utc_B":1427886696,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Be commissioned and trusted to develop entirely new methods, or technologies.","human_ref_B":"You won't be \"broadening\" your abilities as a Ph.D, instead you'll be refining and constricting yourself to a specialty of whatever it was you worked with.  Don't expect a Ph.D to be useful without some experience.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4021.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"25a46v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"Grey beard engineers, what non-technical skills do junior hires lack and require significant on-the-job training to learn? For example:    - McMaster Carr     - Configuration management and traceability     - Decorum with customers     - Networking vs. Confidentiality","c_root_id_A":"chf9og3","c_root_id_B":"chf6t0y","created_at_utc_A":1399828481,"created_at_utc_B":1399820672,"score_A":122,"score_B":23,"human_ref_A":"Not an engineer (a speckled beard millwright), but I'm going to pipe up and talk about working closely with your builders\/skilled trades people and respecting opinions. I've worked with a whole lot of hot shit green engineers who think they know everything because they spent 5 years staring at books. Your trades guys have spent many years actually building stuff, and they have a different skill set than you.  Do understand that often designs are guidelines, and you need to work closely to make sure that the original parts that matter stay within spec. But your builders will evolve your design. Especially in Canada where our trades training is so in depth. If your guy has a Red Seal, he probably knows what he is doing. Chances are your builder knows how to put together a whole lot of stuff better than you. He's a second set of eyes with a different perspective than you.   You can spend a career fighting this fact, or you can spend a career making some good relationships with trades. Respect opinions. Ask questions, but give them some freedom to build as they see fit and evolve your designs. Work with them, not against them and don't be afraid to learn from them. They way you were taught in school is often not the way it is done. Watch and learn.   You may design a system one way, but your guy knows how to modify your design so you can actually work on it later. Building repairability into a design is critical, and nobody knows how to maintain and repair a system better than the guy who actually builds and fixes it. Buy that guy a beer every now and then, and he'll give you solid feedback. Listen to it.","human_ref_B":"In my experience in consulting:  Interfacing with the client  Understanding the level of detail required (not getting caught up in the details)  Understanding how to use the code (it is NOT a design guide)  Learning how to make a decision and run with it (don't second guess yourself or you'll never get anything done)","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7809.0,"score_ratio":5.3043478261}
{"post_id":"25a46v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"Grey beard engineers, what non-technical skills do junior hires lack and require significant on-the-job training to learn? For example:    - McMaster Carr     - Configuration management and traceability     - Decorum with customers     - Networking vs. Confidentiality","c_root_id_A":"chf9og3","c_root_id_B":"chf9d2t","created_at_utc_A":1399828481,"created_at_utc_B":1399827624,"score_A":122,"score_B":16,"human_ref_A":"Not an engineer (a speckled beard millwright), but I'm going to pipe up and talk about working closely with your builders\/skilled trades people and respecting opinions. I've worked with a whole lot of hot shit green engineers who think they know everything because they spent 5 years staring at books. Your trades guys have spent many years actually building stuff, and they have a different skill set than you.  Do understand that often designs are guidelines, and you need to work closely to make sure that the original parts that matter stay within spec. But your builders will evolve your design. Especially in Canada where our trades training is so in depth. If your guy has a Red Seal, he probably knows what he is doing. Chances are your builder knows how to put together a whole lot of stuff better than you. He's a second set of eyes with a different perspective than you.   You can spend a career fighting this fact, or you can spend a career making some good relationships with trades. Respect opinions. Ask questions, but give them some freedom to build as they see fit and evolve your designs. Work with them, not against them and don't be afraid to learn from them. They way you were taught in school is often not the way it is done. Watch and learn.   You may design a system one way, but your guy knows how to modify your design so you can actually work on it later. Building repairability into a design is critical, and nobody knows how to maintain and repair a system better than the guy who actually builds and fixes it. Buy that guy a beer every now and then, and he'll give you solid feedback. Listen to it.","human_ref_B":"Not that much of a grey beard, but they lack basic technical writing skills.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":857.0,"score_ratio":7.625}
{"post_id":"25a46v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"Grey beard engineers, what non-technical skills do junior hires lack and require significant on-the-job training to learn? For example:    - McMaster Carr     - Configuration management and traceability     - Decorum with customers     - Networking vs. Confidentiality","c_root_id_A":"chf9og3","c_root_id_B":"chf8e9j","created_at_utc_A":1399828481,"created_at_utc_B":1399825035,"score_A":122,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"Not an engineer (a speckled beard millwright), but I'm going to pipe up and talk about working closely with your builders\/skilled trades people and respecting opinions. I've worked with a whole lot of hot shit green engineers who think they know everything because they spent 5 years staring at books. Your trades guys have spent many years actually building stuff, and they have a different skill set than you.  Do understand that often designs are guidelines, and you need to work closely to make sure that the original parts that matter stay within spec. But your builders will evolve your design. Especially in Canada where our trades training is so in depth. If your guy has a Red Seal, he probably knows what he is doing. Chances are your builder knows how to put together a whole lot of stuff better than you. He's a second set of eyes with a different perspective than you.   You can spend a career fighting this fact, or you can spend a career making some good relationships with trades. Respect opinions. Ask questions, but give them some freedom to build as they see fit and evolve your designs. Work with them, not against them and don't be afraid to learn from them. They way you were taught in school is often not the way it is done. Watch and learn.   You may design a system one way, but your guy knows how to modify your design so you can actually work on it later. Building repairability into a design is critical, and nobody knows how to maintain and repair a system better than the guy who actually builds and fixes it. Buy that guy a beer every now and then, and he'll give you solid feedback. Listen to it.","human_ref_B":"Are you saying McMaster Carr is a skill? I thought it was a catalog.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3446.0,"score_ratio":15.25}
{"post_id":"25a46v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"Grey beard engineers, what non-technical skills do junior hires lack and require significant on-the-job training to learn? For example:    - McMaster Carr     - Configuration management and traceability     - Decorum with customers     - Networking vs. Confidentiality","c_root_id_A":"chf6t0y","c_root_id_B":"chfa2e0","created_at_utc_A":1399820672,"created_at_utc_B":1399829547,"score_A":23,"score_B":32,"human_ref_A":"In my experience in consulting:  Interfacing with the client  Understanding the level of detail required (not getting caught up in the details)  Understanding how to use the code (it is NOT a design guide)  Learning how to make a decision and run with it (don't second guess yourself or you'll never get anything done)","human_ref_B":"The most important lesson that I learned may not work for everyone, but...  One day, I asked my team lead what he needed me to work on that day.  His response: \"Your job is taking away everyone else's reason for not finishing their work.  If this team fails, make sure that they need to take responsibility for it.\"  While that's not exactly a positive message, it's a concept that I've taken with me to every job I've ever had.  Regardless of my responsibilities, I take it as my mission to give everyone the opportunity to succeed.  Internalizing the notion that the success of the team is my primary goal really helps me see the bigger picture and prioritize my work.  It frustrates me to see junior engineer complain about someone else slowing them down; they don't even think that they could be helping that other person while they are being slowed down.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8875.0,"score_ratio":1.3913043478}
{"post_id":"25a46v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"Grey beard engineers, what non-technical skills do junior hires lack and require significant on-the-job training to learn? For example:    - McMaster Carr     - Configuration management and traceability     - Decorum with customers     - Networking vs. Confidentiality","c_root_id_A":"chfa2e0","c_root_id_B":"chf9d2t","created_at_utc_A":1399829547,"created_at_utc_B":1399827624,"score_A":32,"score_B":16,"human_ref_A":"The most important lesson that I learned may not work for everyone, but...  One day, I asked my team lead what he needed me to work on that day.  His response: \"Your job is taking away everyone else's reason for not finishing their work.  If this team fails, make sure that they need to take responsibility for it.\"  While that's not exactly a positive message, it's a concept that I've taken with me to every job I've ever had.  Regardless of my responsibilities, I take it as my mission to give everyone the opportunity to succeed.  Internalizing the notion that the success of the team is my primary goal really helps me see the bigger picture and prioritize my work.  It frustrates me to see junior engineer complain about someone else slowing them down; they don't even think that they could be helping that other person while they are being slowed down.","human_ref_B":"Not that much of a grey beard, but they lack basic technical writing skills.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1923.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"25a46v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"Grey beard engineers, what non-technical skills do junior hires lack and require significant on-the-job training to learn? For example:    - McMaster Carr     - Configuration management and traceability     - Decorum with customers     - Networking vs. Confidentiality","c_root_id_A":"chfa2e0","c_root_id_B":"chf8e9j","created_at_utc_A":1399829547,"created_at_utc_B":1399825035,"score_A":32,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"The most important lesson that I learned may not work for everyone, but...  One day, I asked my team lead what he needed me to work on that day.  His response: \"Your job is taking away everyone else's reason for not finishing their work.  If this team fails, make sure that they need to take responsibility for it.\"  While that's not exactly a positive message, it's a concept that I've taken with me to every job I've ever had.  Regardless of my responsibilities, I take it as my mission to give everyone the opportunity to succeed.  Internalizing the notion that the success of the team is my primary goal really helps me see the bigger picture and prioritize my work.  It frustrates me to see junior engineer complain about someone else slowing them down; they don't even think that they could be helping that other person while they are being slowed down.","human_ref_B":"Are you saying McMaster Carr is a skill? I thought it was a catalog.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4512.0,"score_ratio":4.0}
{"post_id":"25a46v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"Grey beard engineers, what non-technical skills do junior hires lack and require significant on-the-job training to learn? For example:    - McMaster Carr     - Configuration management and traceability     - Decorum with customers     - Networking vs. Confidentiality","c_root_id_A":"chf9d2t","c_root_id_B":"chf8e9j","created_at_utc_A":1399827624,"created_at_utc_B":1399825035,"score_A":16,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"Not that much of a grey beard, but they lack basic technical writing skills.","human_ref_B":"Are you saying McMaster Carr is a skill? I thought it was a catalog.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2589.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"25a46v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"Grey beard engineers, what non-technical skills do junior hires lack and require significant on-the-job training to learn? For example:    - McMaster Carr     - Configuration management and traceability     - Decorum with customers     - Networking vs. Confidentiality","c_root_id_A":"chf8e9j","c_root_id_B":"chfeals","created_at_utc_A":1399825035,"created_at_utc_B":1399840334,"score_A":8,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"Are you saying McMaster Carr is a skill? I thought it was a catalog.","human_ref_B":"How to write an executive summary (\"one-pager\") and present it without embarassing themselves or alienating the manager they're pitching to.  It's a vital skill.  If you can't get something approved, doesn't really matter how good it was, it'll never see the light of day.  They never understand the 50,000 ft viewpoint of senior management.  They write a book, then stutter while presenting it and end up losing their audience.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":15299.0,"score_ratio":1.625}
{"post_id":"25a46v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"Grey beard engineers, what non-technical skills do junior hires lack and require significant on-the-job training to learn? For example:    - McMaster Carr     - Configuration management and traceability     - Decorum with customers     - Networking vs. Confidentiality","c_root_id_A":"chfdzus","c_root_id_B":"chfeals","created_at_utc_A":1399839602,"created_at_utc_B":1399840334,"score_A":4,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"Pretty much everything other than math.   Sometimes math.","human_ref_B":"How to write an executive summary (\"one-pager\") and present it without embarassing themselves or alienating the manager they're pitching to.  It's a vital skill.  If you can't get something approved, doesn't really matter how good it was, it'll never see the light of day.  They never understand the 50,000 ft viewpoint of senior management.  They write a book, then stutter while presenting it and end up losing their audience.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":732.0,"score_ratio":3.25}
{"post_id":"25a46v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"Grey beard engineers, what non-technical skills do junior hires lack and require significant on-the-job training to learn? For example:    - McMaster Carr     - Configuration management and traceability     - Decorum with customers     - Networking vs. Confidentiality","c_root_id_A":"chfba70","c_root_id_B":"chfeals","created_at_utc_A":1399832747,"created_at_utc_B":1399840334,"score_A":2,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"In addition to what others have already listed... the politics of organizations and working with 'the business'.   These are two areas that often hold an engineer back from advancing into management roles. Engineers who can bridge these areas are often high value to an organization and have more choices in career advancement paths.","human_ref_B":"How to write an executive summary (\"one-pager\") and present it without embarassing themselves or alienating the manager they're pitching to.  It's a vital skill.  If you can't get something approved, doesn't really matter how good it was, it'll never see the light of day.  They never understand the 50,000 ft viewpoint of senior management.  They write a book, then stutter while presenting it and end up losing their audience.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7587.0,"score_ratio":6.5}
{"post_id":"25a46v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"Grey beard engineers, what non-technical skills do junior hires lack and require significant on-the-job training to learn? For example:    - McMaster Carr     - Configuration management and traceability     - Decorum with customers     - Networking vs. Confidentiality","c_root_id_A":"chfejbh","c_root_id_B":"chf8e9j","created_at_utc_A":1399840929,"created_at_utc_B":1399825035,"score_A":10,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"I'm a salt and pepper beard engineer.   My comments  - most of your career,  particularly when starting out,  will consist of getting people to do things for you when you have no direct authority. Learn the concept of the relationship bank,  make sure you keep the balance positive.   - learn how to deal with politics  because you cannot avoid it.   As soon as three people get together politics will start up.  Don't be a slimy political animal,  but keep your eyes open.   - get comfortable with public speaking.   Join Toastmasters.   Public speaking is more than formal speaking,  it also includes impromptu speaking,  an invaluable career skill.","human_ref_B":"Are you saying McMaster Carr is a skill? I thought it was a catalog.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":15894.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"25a46v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"Grey beard engineers, what non-technical skills do junior hires lack and require significant on-the-job training to learn? For example:    - McMaster Carr     - Configuration management and traceability     - Decorum with customers     - Networking vs. Confidentiality","c_root_id_A":"chfejbh","c_root_id_B":"chfdzus","created_at_utc_A":1399840929,"created_at_utc_B":1399839602,"score_A":10,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I'm a salt and pepper beard engineer.   My comments  - most of your career,  particularly when starting out,  will consist of getting people to do things for you when you have no direct authority. Learn the concept of the relationship bank,  make sure you keep the balance positive.   - learn how to deal with politics  because you cannot avoid it.   As soon as three people get together politics will start up.  Don't be a slimy political animal,  but keep your eyes open.   - get comfortable with public speaking.   Join Toastmasters.   Public speaking is more than formal speaking,  it also includes impromptu speaking,  an invaluable career skill.","human_ref_B":"Pretty much everything other than math.   Sometimes math.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1327.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"25a46v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"Grey beard engineers, what non-technical skills do junior hires lack and require significant on-the-job training to learn? For example:    - McMaster Carr     - Configuration management and traceability     - Decorum with customers     - Networking vs. Confidentiality","c_root_id_A":"chfba70","c_root_id_B":"chfejbh","created_at_utc_A":1399832747,"created_at_utc_B":1399840929,"score_A":2,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"In addition to what others have already listed... the politics of organizations and working with 'the business'.   These are two areas that often hold an engineer back from advancing into management roles. Engineers who can bridge these areas are often high value to an organization and have more choices in career advancement paths.","human_ref_B":"I'm a salt and pepper beard engineer.   My comments  - most of your career,  particularly when starting out,  will consist of getting people to do things for you when you have no direct authority. Learn the concept of the relationship bank,  make sure you keep the balance positive.   - learn how to deal with politics  because you cannot avoid it.   As soon as three people get together politics will start up.  Don't be a slimy political animal,  but keep your eyes open.   - get comfortable with public speaking.   Join Toastmasters.   Public speaking is more than formal speaking,  it also includes impromptu speaking,  an invaluable career skill.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8182.0,"score_ratio":5.0}
{"post_id":"25a46v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"Grey beard engineers, what non-technical skills do junior hires lack and require significant on-the-job training to learn? For example:    - McMaster Carr     - Configuration management and traceability     - Decorum with customers     - Networking vs. Confidentiality","c_root_id_A":"chfba70","c_root_id_B":"chfdzus","created_at_utc_A":1399832747,"created_at_utc_B":1399839602,"score_A":2,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"In addition to what others have already listed... the politics of organizations and working with 'the business'.   These are two areas that often hold an engineer back from advancing into management roles. Engineers who can bridge these areas are often high value to an organization and have more choices in career advancement paths.","human_ref_B":"Pretty much everything other than math.   Sometimes math.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6855.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"25a46v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"Grey beard engineers, what non-technical skills do junior hires lack and require significant on-the-job training to learn? For example:    - McMaster Carr     - Configuration management and traceability     - Decorum with customers     - Networking vs. Confidentiality","c_root_id_A":"chffvwf","c_root_id_B":"chfba70","created_at_utc_A":1399844290,"created_at_utc_B":1399832747,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Sales people are just as important and integral as you are though they're less well educated, typically.    Also you should try to be the most skilled person you know in using excel and VBA.  It's a slap dash way of doing maths and programming however its generally going to be the fastest cheapest easiest to understand option available to some a given problem.  Don't get me wrong it's awful.... But yeah","human_ref_B":"In addition to what others have already listed... the politics of organizations and working with 'the business'.   These are two areas that often hold an engineer back from advancing into management roles. Engineers who can bridge these areas are often high value to an organization and have more choices in career advancement paths.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":11543.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"lrezoc","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.77,"history":"How hard is it to go from engineering to medical school? sorry if this isn't the right sub, but I don't know where else to ask. A little bit of a background info for context: I'm a Canadian high school student in gr 12 trying to choose my major for next year. I applied to both engineering and health sci programs (since I don't think Canada has any true \"pre-med\" programs), and I legit don't know what to choose. I want to be either an engineer or doctor.  Since I'm not fully sure whether or not I wanna go to med school, my original plan was to get my bachelor's in engineering, that way if I wanted to go to med school I technically could, and if I don't wanna go then I'll still be able to get a decent job that I like. Not too concerned about the amount of work tho since both programs are pretty cutthroat and have heavy workloads.  However, a lot of people are telling me not to do this since the material in eng and med is completely different and the transition is brutal, but I've also heard that studying to take the MCAT is pretty much 80% self-learning so it won't matter what I do for my undergrad. I also have concerns around getting internships, research\/volunteer positions, co-ops etc., since I guess I'll have to get positions that are related to both eng and med and idk how to balance that.  Does anyone have any insight on this situation, especially Canadians since it's slightly different than than the US system? Did anyone here get into med school from an eng background, and if yes, how was it? I genuinely can't choose rn, I love both fields equally and I'm indecisive as FUCK so plz help thank u :)","c_root_id_A":"golx2nk","c_root_id_B":"golkbao","created_at_utc_A":1614190145,"created_at_utc_B":1614185049,"score_A":8,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Instead of choosing medical school versus engineering school, what about biomedical engineering? \"**Biomedical engineering** (**BME**) or **medical engineering** is the application of engineering principles and design concepts to medicine and biology for healthcare purposes.\" This way you would be able to focus on both of the things that you are interested in perusing.","human_ref_B":"From what i've been told by the 3 people who have made the transition (engineering to medical), is that it is not that hard, but there are MASSIVE amounts of memorization and reading.  ALSO... just be sure you want to do it because it is over a decade to become a DR.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5096.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"1err40","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Just got an offer from a defense contractor update] Just wanted to post a quick update, every one of my counter offers were declined. No extra vacation, no signing bonus, no higher salary.  The explanation I got back was (paraphrasing), \"if we gave you any more money (signing bonus or salary) there wouldn't be any room in the wage band to offer you raises.\"  Maybe i'm just a terrible negotiator... The original offer is still substantially more than i'm making now, so I will probably be accepting it anyway.  Thanks for all the advice anyway!   [original thread: [here]","c_root_id_A":"ca35p8y","c_root_id_B":"ca3b9qg","created_at_utc_A":1369159867,"created_at_utc_B":1369173704,"score_A":2,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"If you ask for a raise, you met get denied. If you negotiate for a raise, be ready to walk away.","human_ref_B":"Wouldn't work in defense again no matter what they offered.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":13837.0,"score_ratio":6.0}
{"post_id":"p1ay4i","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.79,"history":"Do people look down on defense engineers? I've seen a few post the last several days with comments along the following lines:  \"You'll have an easier time finding a job if you are willing to relocate and are willing to work in defense\"  \"Jobs are hard to find outside of defense\"  \"The market for engineers really dried up after 9\/11, now the only area that's easy to enter is defense\"  Some of the most talented and hard working engineers I know are in defense. What's with all the shade?","c_root_id_A":"h8cv9gn","c_root_id_B":"h8cu72k","created_at_utc_A":1628558081,"created_at_utc_B":1628557563,"score_A":14,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"> \"You'll have an easier time finding a job if you are willing to relocate and are willing to work in defense\"  A lot of defense work is in godforsaken locations.  Not a lot of folks want to work in such places.  Result?  Just being willing to work \"there\" is a job qualification all unto itself.  Seriously, when I was a hiring manager, evidence of, \"This guy does just fine in the middle of nowhere\" was one of the biggest things I looked for on a resume.   Went to a small school in small college town?  Grew up on a farm in the middle of nowhere?  Blah blah blah... That shit was resume\/interview gold because 95% of the time someone who grew up in a major metro area doesn't last 2 years here.  They fucking hate it.  But some guy who grew up in some Arizona mining town?  He's amazed that we have a WalMart.  He'll do just fine.  > \"The market for engineers really dried up after 9\/11, now the only area that's easy to enter is defense\"  No idea where that idea would have come from, but it's no secret that after 9\/11 the defense industry was going hard and heavy.  Thus, it was easy to find a job in defense.  I predict that in the next few years - as the defense industry draws down - that things on that front will change.  That said... While older folks don't seem to look down on defense, it is clear that a lot of the younger folks do.  The biggest difference from my perspective is...perspective.  Old fogies view defense through the lens of the Cold War (defense gooood).  Young'uns view defense through the lens of the War on Terror (defense baaaad).","human_ref_B":"I think you're misreading simple information as shade.  I don't know (m)any people who would look down on you for working in defense.  I know many more people who just don't want to work in defense themselves.  Also, it's very difficult or sometimes impossible for non-citizens or immigrants to get jobs in defense.  So, it's an important distinction for many people.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":518.0,"score_ratio":1.1666666667}
{"post_id":"p1ay4i","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.79,"history":"Do people look down on defense engineers? I've seen a few post the last several days with comments along the following lines:  \"You'll have an easier time finding a job if you are willing to relocate and are willing to work in defense\"  \"Jobs are hard to find outside of defense\"  \"The market for engineers really dried up after 9\/11, now the only area that's easy to enter is defense\"  Some of the most talented and hard working engineers I know are in defense. What's with all the shade?","c_root_id_A":"h8cprnp","c_root_id_B":"h8cv9gn","created_at_utc_A":1628555443,"created_at_utc_B":1628558081,"score_A":8,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"Not a very altruistic industry to start","human_ref_B":"> \"You'll have an easier time finding a job if you are willing to relocate and are willing to work in defense\"  A lot of defense work is in godforsaken locations.  Not a lot of folks want to work in such places.  Result?  Just being willing to work \"there\" is a job qualification all unto itself.  Seriously, when I was a hiring manager, evidence of, \"This guy does just fine in the middle of nowhere\" was one of the biggest things I looked for on a resume.   Went to a small school in small college town?  Grew up on a farm in the middle of nowhere?  Blah blah blah... That shit was resume\/interview gold because 95% of the time someone who grew up in a major metro area doesn't last 2 years here.  They fucking hate it.  But some guy who grew up in some Arizona mining town?  He's amazed that we have a WalMart.  He'll do just fine.  > \"The market for engineers really dried up after 9\/11, now the only area that's easy to enter is defense\"  No idea where that idea would have come from, but it's no secret that after 9\/11 the defense industry was going hard and heavy.  Thus, it was easy to find a job in defense.  I predict that in the next few years - as the defense industry draws down - that things on that front will change.  That said... While older folks don't seem to look down on defense, it is clear that a lot of the younger folks do.  The biggest difference from my perspective is...perspective.  Old fogies view defense through the lens of the Cold War (defense gooood).  Young'uns view defense through the lens of the War on Terror (defense baaaad).","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2638.0,"score_ratio":1.75}
{"post_id":"p1ay4i","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.79,"history":"Do people look down on defense engineers? I've seen a few post the last several days with comments along the following lines:  \"You'll have an easier time finding a job if you are willing to relocate and are willing to work in defense\"  \"Jobs are hard to find outside of defense\"  \"The market for engineers really dried up after 9\/11, now the only area that's easy to enter is defense\"  Some of the most talented and hard working engineers I know are in defense. What's with all the shade?","c_root_id_A":"h8cprnp","c_root_id_B":"h8cu72k","created_at_utc_A":1628555443,"created_at_utc_B":1628557563,"score_A":8,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"Not a very altruistic industry to start","human_ref_B":"I think you're misreading simple information as shade.  I don't know (m)any people who would look down on you for working in defense.  I know many more people who just don't want to work in defense themselves.  Also, it's very difficult or sometimes impossible for non-citizens or immigrants to get jobs in defense.  So, it's an important distinction for many people.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2120.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"p1ay4i","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.79,"history":"Do people look down on defense engineers? I've seen a few post the last several days with comments along the following lines:  \"You'll have an easier time finding a job if you are willing to relocate and are willing to work in defense\"  \"Jobs are hard to find outside of defense\"  \"The market for engineers really dried up after 9\/11, now the only area that's easy to enter is defense\"  Some of the most talented and hard working engineers I know are in defense. What's with all the shade?","c_root_id_A":"h8d6n99","c_root_id_B":"h8cz7fx","created_at_utc_A":1628563678,"created_at_utc_B":1628559986,"score_A":9,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"That's . . . not really so much \"shade\" as it is a recognition that the US has bottomless pockets for military spending.    It's a personal decision, but I've decided that I don't want to work for the defense industry because I don't want to work toward hurting people.","human_ref_B":"In the Bay Area, defense (quasi-government) is looked very down on because pay is literally 1\/2 to 1\/5 of what private pays in addition to being part of the military industrial complex.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3692.0,"score_ratio":1.125}
{"post_id":"p1ay4i","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.79,"history":"Do people look down on defense engineers? I've seen a few post the last several days with comments along the following lines:  \"You'll have an easier time finding a job if you are willing to relocate and are willing to work in defense\"  \"Jobs are hard to find outside of defense\"  \"The market for engineers really dried up after 9\/11, now the only area that's easy to enter is defense\"  Some of the most talented and hard working engineers I know are in defense. What's with all the shade?","c_root_id_A":"h8cprnp","c_root_id_B":"h8d6n99","created_at_utc_A":1628555443,"created_at_utc_B":1628563678,"score_A":8,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Not a very altruistic industry to start","human_ref_B":"That's . . . not really so much \"shade\" as it is a recognition that the US has bottomless pockets for military spending.    It's a personal decision, but I've decided that I don't want to work for the defense industry because I don't want to work toward hurting people.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8235.0,"score_ratio":1.125}
{"post_id":"p1ay4i","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.79,"history":"Do people look down on defense engineers? I've seen a few post the last several days with comments along the following lines:  \"You'll have an easier time finding a job if you are willing to relocate and are willing to work in defense\"  \"Jobs are hard to find outside of defense\"  \"The market for engineers really dried up after 9\/11, now the only area that's easy to enter is defense\"  Some of the most talented and hard working engineers I know are in defense. What's with all the shade?","c_root_id_A":"h8dtf8r","c_root_id_B":"h8gqt8c","created_at_utc_A":1628578512,"created_at_utc_B":1628634000,"score_A":5,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"I worked in defense. My division mostly built commercial aircraft systems. Some of the work was fun. I think some people think that we only make weapons. We did have other divisions doing that but I probably wouldn't have worked for those divisions. I don't really look down on my former coworkers though. At least not for being in defense.   I didn't enjoy the excessive documentation and paperwork required, and it tends to be a conservative group for multiple reasons. We also had shitty management that would scream at us, but apparently that's normal now. The other problem that was mentioned is some of the positions tend to be in places few people want to live in.  So, i have told students to look for jobs in defense. One thing I noticed is defense contractors were generally more willing to take an entry level person with a general knowledge of their major. Some industries are pretty picky.","human_ref_B":"\"For moral reasons\"  Because supporting the next iPhone dev that will be built by FoxCon slave labor or the next incrementally improved PV array whose constituents are mined by the poorest of the poor with zero protection is SO moral.   Get off your high horses.   I don't even work in defense and I know that some of the most deadly products produced by engineering efforts have nothing to do with planes or bombs.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":55488.0,"score_ratio":1.2}
{"post_id":"p1ay4i","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.79,"history":"Do people look down on defense engineers? I've seen a few post the last several days with comments along the following lines:  \"You'll have an easier time finding a job if you are willing to relocate and are willing to work in defense\"  \"Jobs are hard to find outside of defense\"  \"The market for engineers really dried up after 9\/11, now the only area that's easy to enter is defense\"  Some of the most talented and hard working engineers I know are in defense. What's with all the shade?","c_root_id_A":"h8gqt8c","c_root_id_B":"h8e7qpn","created_at_utc_A":1628634000,"created_at_utc_B":1628591121,"score_A":6,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"\"For moral reasons\"  Because supporting the next iPhone dev that will be built by FoxCon slave labor or the next incrementally improved PV array whose constituents are mined by the poorest of the poor with zero protection is SO moral.   Get off your high horses.   I don't even work in defense and I know that some of the most deadly products produced by engineering efforts have nothing to do with planes or bombs.","human_ref_B":"IMO for moral reasons, it's not about talent, capability or hard work in any way.  I don't think anyone would question the ingenuity behind military technology, no matter how pacifistic that person is.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":42879.0,"score_ratio":1.2}
{"post_id":"p1ay4i","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.79,"history":"Do people look down on defense engineers? I've seen a few post the last several days with comments along the following lines:  \"You'll have an easier time finding a job if you are willing to relocate and are willing to work in defense\"  \"Jobs are hard to find outside of defense\"  \"The market for engineers really dried up after 9\/11, now the only area that's easy to enter is defense\"  Some of the most talented and hard working engineers I know are in defense. What's with all the shade?","c_root_id_A":"h8gqt8c","c_root_id_B":"h8dm5cp","created_at_utc_A":1628634000,"created_at_utc_B":1628572906,"score_A":6,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"\"For moral reasons\"  Because supporting the next iPhone dev that will be built by FoxCon slave labor or the next incrementally improved PV array whose constituents are mined by the poorest of the poor with zero protection is SO moral.   Get off your high horses.   I don't even work in defense and I know that some of the most deadly products produced by engineering efforts have nothing to do with planes or bombs.","human_ref_B":"One point I haven't seen mentioned yet is that a lot of people just aren't willing to accept the restrictions, or don't even have a clean enough background to begin with, to qualify for security clearance. The really interesting work means needing to be cleared to high levels and cleared to individual programs and compartmentalized information.  That means travel restrictions, no drugs\/arrests\/\"moral hazards,\" no significant debt beyond a mortgage, having to explain foreign contacts\/family\/travel *over and over*.  Need to be a legal permanent resident to even qualify to work with ITAR-restricted material; a sector of industry that has a flat-out citizenship retirement is some (understandable) grade A protectionism. So it is pretty upfront about shutting out a lot of qualified, talented, hard-working people for a variety of reasons. Thus: shade.  Also some of the other stuff mentioned, that a lot of the interesting\/lucrative work (like with the other big \"merchant of death\" engineering industry, petroleum) tends to be in unfortunate places if you want to have a life and enjoy your salary. Want to blow stuff up? You're gonna be spending a lot of time out where the land is *real* flat and wide.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":61094.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"p1ay4i","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.79,"history":"Do people look down on defense engineers? I've seen a few post the last several days with comments along the following lines:  \"You'll have an easier time finding a job if you are willing to relocate and are willing to work in defense\"  \"Jobs are hard to find outside of defense\"  \"The market for engineers really dried up after 9\/11, now the only area that's easy to enter is defense\"  Some of the most talented and hard working engineers I know are in defense. What's with all the shade?","c_root_id_A":"h8eij8x","c_root_id_B":"h8gqt8c","created_at_utc_A":1628598682,"created_at_utc_B":1628634000,"score_A":2,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"I don't believe people really look down on defense engineers. many people have ethical concerns about it, myself included, but I have good friends who work or have worked for defense.  At the end a job is a job and if you are willing to face the implications of it, for good or for worse, you do it.","human_ref_B":"\"For moral reasons\"  Because supporting the next iPhone dev that will be built by FoxCon slave labor or the next incrementally improved PV array whose constituents are mined by the poorest of the poor with zero protection is SO moral.   Get off your high horses.   I don't even work in defense and I know that some of the most deadly products produced by engineering efforts have nothing to do with planes or bombs.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":35318.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"p1ay4i","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.79,"history":"Do people look down on defense engineers? I've seen a few post the last several days with comments along the following lines:  \"You'll have an easier time finding a job if you are willing to relocate and are willing to work in defense\"  \"Jobs are hard to find outside of defense\"  \"The market for engineers really dried up after 9\/11, now the only area that's easy to enter is defense\"  Some of the most talented and hard working engineers I know are in defense. What's with all the shade?","c_root_id_A":"h8dm5cp","c_root_id_B":"h8dtf8r","created_at_utc_A":1628572906,"created_at_utc_B":1628578512,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"One point I haven't seen mentioned yet is that a lot of people just aren't willing to accept the restrictions, or don't even have a clean enough background to begin with, to qualify for security clearance. The really interesting work means needing to be cleared to high levels and cleared to individual programs and compartmentalized information.  That means travel restrictions, no drugs\/arrests\/\"moral hazards,\" no significant debt beyond a mortgage, having to explain foreign contacts\/family\/travel *over and over*.  Need to be a legal permanent resident to even qualify to work with ITAR-restricted material; a sector of industry that has a flat-out citizenship retirement is some (understandable) grade A protectionism. So it is pretty upfront about shutting out a lot of qualified, talented, hard-working people for a variety of reasons. Thus: shade.  Also some of the other stuff mentioned, that a lot of the interesting\/lucrative work (like with the other big \"merchant of death\" engineering industry, petroleum) tends to be in unfortunate places if you want to have a life and enjoy your salary. Want to blow stuff up? You're gonna be spending a lot of time out where the land is *real* flat and wide.","human_ref_B":"I worked in defense. My division mostly built commercial aircraft systems. Some of the work was fun. I think some people think that we only make weapons. We did have other divisions doing that but I probably wouldn't have worked for those divisions. I don't really look down on my former coworkers though. At least not for being in defense.   I didn't enjoy the excessive documentation and paperwork required, and it tends to be a conservative group for multiple reasons. We also had shitty management that would scream at us, but apparently that's normal now. The other problem that was mentioned is some of the positions tend to be in places few people want to live in.  So, i have told students to look for jobs in defense. One thing I noticed is defense contractors were generally more willing to take an entry level person with a general knowledge of their major. Some industries are pretty picky.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5606.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"p1ay4i","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.79,"history":"Do people look down on defense engineers? I've seen a few post the last several days with comments along the following lines:  \"You'll have an easier time finding a job if you are willing to relocate and are willing to work in defense\"  \"Jobs are hard to find outside of defense\"  \"The market for engineers really dried up after 9\/11, now the only area that's easy to enter is defense\"  Some of the most talented and hard working engineers I know are in defense. What's with all the shade?","c_root_id_A":"h8dm5cp","c_root_id_B":"h8e7qpn","created_at_utc_A":1628572906,"created_at_utc_B":1628591121,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"One point I haven't seen mentioned yet is that a lot of people just aren't willing to accept the restrictions, or don't even have a clean enough background to begin with, to qualify for security clearance. The really interesting work means needing to be cleared to high levels and cleared to individual programs and compartmentalized information.  That means travel restrictions, no drugs\/arrests\/\"moral hazards,\" no significant debt beyond a mortgage, having to explain foreign contacts\/family\/travel *over and over*.  Need to be a legal permanent resident to even qualify to work with ITAR-restricted material; a sector of industry that has a flat-out citizenship retirement is some (understandable) grade A protectionism. So it is pretty upfront about shutting out a lot of qualified, talented, hard-working people for a variety of reasons. Thus: shade.  Also some of the other stuff mentioned, that a lot of the interesting\/lucrative work (like with the other big \"merchant of death\" engineering industry, petroleum) tends to be in unfortunate places if you want to have a life and enjoy your salary. Want to blow stuff up? You're gonna be spending a lot of time out where the land is *real* flat and wide.","human_ref_B":"IMO for moral reasons, it's not about talent, capability or hard work in any way.  I don't think anyone would question the ingenuity behind military technology, no matter how pacifistic that person is.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":18215.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"hmpe4q","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"What would NASA do if the entire US defense budget was diverted to cover it's operational costs I saw one of those joke posts that showed the gif of a space suited person putting flags on a bunch of different planets and someone in the comments mentioned the scale of the defense budget in the us vs NASA's budget. This got me wondering, what would NASA actually do with 700 billion dollars. Could they even make efficient use of that much capital?","c_root_id_A":"fx6lqcp","c_root_id_B":"fx6ls23","created_at_utc_A":1594105496,"created_at_utc_B":1594105540,"score_A":5,"score_B":46,"human_ref_A":"Idk specifics, and we'd surely see lots of advancements.  But things like fermi's paradox would likely curb these expectations (in appropriate regards)  Be interesting to see how some of the advancements in the feild of physics would turn out though. Not necessarily NASA, but they'd contribute for sure. (The colliders and stuff are on earth but we could prolly put one in space, plus there's other telescopes, detectors, etc)","human_ref_B":"One time $700B or an ongoing $700B a year? If it was ongoing, they could spend vast amounts on infrastructure; more design and test facilities, more money for aerospace engineering education, start working on strategic plans for the ongoing yearly budget. They wouldn't have to pick and choose which missions to do, they could do basically all of their missions within reason. Europa and Enceladus? Sure, why not?  We could have observation satellites around every planet within a decade (depending on transit time to Neptune). With that kind of money, more companies besides SpaceX would enter the privatized space flight business as NASA would have plenty of resupply missions to contract out. The Mars program could be accelerated greatly. The Moon would probably get more than a 'plant the flag and take samples' mission, one of more permanence. In the long, long run, it would give humanity a way to start harvesting the resources of the Solar System, but that's decades away.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":44.0,"score_ratio":9.2}
{"post_id":"hmpe4q","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"What would NASA do if the entire US defense budget was diverted to cover it's operational costs I saw one of those joke posts that showed the gif of a space suited person putting flags on a bunch of different planets and someone in the comments mentioned the scale of the defense budget in the us vs NASA's budget. This got me wondering, what would NASA actually do with 700 billion dollars. Could they even make efficient use of that much capital?","c_root_id_A":"fx7mfih","c_root_id_B":"fx6mucp","created_at_utc_A":1594134634,"created_at_utc_B":1594106558,"score_A":16,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"I'm reminded of this project: https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/McDonnell_Douglas_DC-X which was 101 million adjusted for inflation. It comes up a lot in regards to what-ifs and funding. NASA has a lot of R&D efforts with private companies which have a significant return on investment.  700 billion is a lot. DARPA's budget is $3.56 billion for reference. You could probably fund every proposed R&D project with that money. Brute-force unlocking the whole technology tree is an interesting idea.","human_ref_B":"We\u2019d be on mars in 2 years","labels":1,"seconds_difference":28076.0,"score_ratio":1.0666666667}
{"post_id":"hmpe4q","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"What would NASA do if the entire US defense budget was diverted to cover it's operational costs I saw one of those joke posts that showed the gif of a space suited person putting flags on a bunch of different planets and someone in the comments mentioned the scale of the defense budget in the us vs NASA's budget. This got me wondering, what would NASA actually do with 700 billion dollars. Could they even make efficient use of that much capital?","c_root_id_A":"fx7mfih","c_root_id_B":"fx6tr6f","created_at_utc_A":1594134634,"created_at_utc_B":1594113510,"score_A":16,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"I'm reminded of this project: https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/McDonnell_Douglas_DC-X which was 101 million adjusted for inflation. It comes up a lot in regards to what-ifs and funding. NASA has a lot of R&D efforts with private companies which have a significant return on investment.  700 billion is a lot. DARPA's budget is $3.56 billion for reference. You could probably fund every proposed R&D project with that money. Brute-force unlocking the whole technology tree is an interesting idea.","human_ref_B":"Something tells me it wouldn't be quite as important in the short term as maybe $3 or $5 billion towards a lithium-free electric car battery, with the design given away to the public domain.  But after a few decades it would probably have a real impact on even everyday life.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":21124.0,"score_ratio":2.6666666667}
{"post_id":"hmpe4q","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"What would NASA do if the entire US defense budget was diverted to cover it's operational costs I saw one of those joke posts that showed the gif of a space suited person putting flags on a bunch of different planets and someone in the comments mentioned the scale of the defense budget in the us vs NASA's budget. This got me wondering, what would NASA actually do with 700 billion dollars. Could they even make efficient use of that much capital?","c_root_id_A":"fx6lqcp","c_root_id_B":"fx7mfih","created_at_utc_A":1594105496,"created_at_utc_B":1594134634,"score_A":5,"score_B":16,"human_ref_A":"Idk specifics, and we'd surely see lots of advancements.  But things like fermi's paradox would likely curb these expectations (in appropriate regards)  Be interesting to see how some of the advancements in the feild of physics would turn out though. Not necessarily NASA, but they'd contribute for sure. (The colliders and stuff are on earth but we could prolly put one in space, plus there's other telescopes, detectors, etc)","human_ref_B":"I'm reminded of this project: https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/McDonnell_Douglas_DC-X which was 101 million adjusted for inflation. It comes up a lot in regards to what-ifs and funding. NASA has a lot of R&D efforts with private companies which have a significant return on investment.  700 billion is a lot. DARPA's budget is $3.56 billion for reference. You could probably fund every proposed R&D project with that money. Brute-force unlocking the whole technology tree is an interesting idea.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":29138.0,"score_ratio":3.2}
{"post_id":"hmpe4q","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"What would NASA do if the entire US defense budget was diverted to cover it's operational costs I saw one of those joke posts that showed the gif of a space suited person putting flags on a bunch of different planets and someone in the comments mentioned the scale of the defense budget in the us vs NASA's budget. This got me wondering, what would NASA actually do with 700 billion dollars. Could they even make efficient use of that much capital?","c_root_id_A":"fx6lqcp","c_root_id_B":"fx6mucp","created_at_utc_A":1594105496,"created_at_utc_B":1594106558,"score_A":5,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"Idk specifics, and we'd surely see lots of advancements.  But things like fermi's paradox would likely curb these expectations (in appropriate regards)  Be interesting to see how some of the advancements in the feild of physics would turn out though. Not necessarily NASA, but they'd contribute for sure. (The colliders and stuff are on earth but we could prolly put one in space, plus there's other telescopes, detectors, etc)","human_ref_B":"We\u2019d be on mars in 2 years","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1062.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"hmpe4q","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"What would NASA do if the entire US defense budget was diverted to cover it's operational costs I saw one of those joke posts that showed the gif of a space suited person putting flags on a bunch of different planets and someone in the comments mentioned the scale of the defense budget in the us vs NASA's budget. This got me wondering, what would NASA actually do with 700 billion dollars. Could they even make efficient use of that much capital?","c_root_id_A":"fx8d95q","c_root_id_B":"fx6tr6f","created_at_utc_A":1594147562,"created_at_utc_B":1594113510,"score_A":8,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"The Apollo program apparently cost a total of about 150 billion dollars in today's money, so we could have multiple flagship development programs going on.  However, technological development doesn't always scale linearly with cost. You get more improvements per budget dollar increase at lower existing budget levels. What it will definitely do, however, is make it much easier to do parallel development. A lot of technology is locked behind other technologies, so you can speed it up by researching both requisites at the same time.   And then there would be the inevitable complaining from some people about spending too much money on NASA instead of fighting global hunger or whatever societal issue they're focused on.","human_ref_B":"Something tells me it wouldn't be quite as important in the short term as maybe $3 or $5 billion towards a lithium-free electric car battery, with the design given away to the public domain.  But after a few decades it would probably have a real impact on even everyday life.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":34052.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"hmpe4q","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"What would NASA do if the entire US defense budget was diverted to cover it's operational costs I saw one of those joke posts that showed the gif of a space suited person putting flags on a bunch of different planets and someone in the comments mentioned the scale of the defense budget in the us vs NASA's budget. This got me wondering, what would NASA actually do with 700 billion dollars. Could they even make efficient use of that much capital?","c_root_id_A":"fx8d95q","c_root_id_B":"fx6lqcp","created_at_utc_A":1594147562,"created_at_utc_B":1594105496,"score_A":8,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"The Apollo program apparently cost a total of about 150 billion dollars in today's money, so we could have multiple flagship development programs going on.  However, technological development doesn't always scale linearly with cost. You get more improvements per budget dollar increase at lower existing budget levels. What it will definitely do, however, is make it much easier to do parallel development. A lot of technology is locked behind other technologies, so you can speed it up by researching both requisites at the same time.   And then there would be the inevitable complaining from some people about spending too much money on NASA instead of fighting global hunger or whatever societal issue they're focused on.","human_ref_B":"Idk specifics, and we'd surely see lots of advancements.  But things like fermi's paradox would likely curb these expectations (in appropriate regards)  Be interesting to see how some of the advancements in the feild of physics would turn out though. Not necessarily NASA, but they'd contribute for sure. (The colliders and stuff are on earth but we could prolly put one in space, plus there's other telescopes, detectors, etc)","labels":1,"seconds_difference":42066.0,"score_ratio":1.6}
{"post_id":"hmpe4q","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"What would NASA do if the entire US defense budget was diverted to cover it's operational costs I saw one of those joke posts that showed the gif of a space suited person putting flags on a bunch of different planets and someone in the comments mentioned the scale of the defense budget in the us vs NASA's budget. This got me wondering, what would NASA actually do with 700 billion dollars. Could they even make efficient use of that much capital?","c_root_id_A":"fx7pko0","c_root_id_B":"fx8d95q","created_at_utc_A":1594136233,"created_at_utc_B":1594147562,"score_A":3,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"They would spend a lot of time picking up all the little pieces after everyone's head exploded.","human_ref_B":"The Apollo program apparently cost a total of about 150 billion dollars in today's money, so we could have multiple flagship development programs going on.  However, technological development doesn't always scale linearly with cost. You get more improvements per budget dollar increase at lower existing budget levels. What it will definitely do, however, is make it much easier to do parallel development. A lot of technology is locked behind other technologies, so you can speed it up by researching both requisites at the same time.   And then there would be the inevitable complaining from some people about spending too much money on NASA instead of fighting global hunger or whatever societal issue they're focused on.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11329.0,"score_ratio":2.6666666667}
{"post_id":"hmpe4q","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"What would NASA do if the entire US defense budget was diverted to cover it's operational costs I saw one of those joke posts that showed the gif of a space suited person putting flags on a bunch of different planets and someone in the comments mentioned the scale of the defense budget in the us vs NASA's budget. This got me wondering, what would NASA actually do with 700 billion dollars. Could they even make efficient use of that much capital?","c_root_id_A":"fx6tr6f","c_root_id_B":"fx6lqcp","created_at_utc_A":1594113510,"created_at_utc_B":1594105496,"score_A":6,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Something tells me it wouldn't be quite as important in the short term as maybe $3 or $5 billion towards a lithium-free electric car battery, with the design given away to the public domain.  But after a few decades it would probably have a real impact on even everyday life.","human_ref_B":"Idk specifics, and we'd surely see lots of advancements.  But things like fermi's paradox would likely curb these expectations (in appropriate regards)  Be interesting to see how some of the advancements in the feild of physics would turn out though. Not necessarily NASA, but they'd contribute for sure. (The colliders and stuff are on earth but we could prolly put one in space, plus there's other telescopes, detectors, etc)","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8014.0,"score_ratio":1.2}
{"post_id":"hmpe4q","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"What would NASA do if the entire US defense budget was diverted to cover it's operational costs I saw one of those joke posts that showed the gif of a space suited person putting flags on a bunch of different planets and someone in the comments mentioned the scale of the defense budget in the us vs NASA's budget. This got me wondering, what would NASA actually do with 700 billion dollars. Could they even make efficient use of that much capital?","c_root_id_A":"fx7pko0","c_root_id_B":"fx9l691","created_at_utc_A":1594136233,"created_at_utc_B":1594170108,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"They would spend a lot of time picking up all the little pieces after everyone's head exploded.","human_ref_B":"First, let's recall that ~$20B of that DoD budget is for space and $70B for R&D into physics and tech industries.  (So, that's gone.)   NASA also has a symbiotic relationship with the DoD facilities, operations, and maintenance.  Guess where NASA launches rockets and aircraft from?  Guess where the ground antennas sit?  Who recovers spacecraft?  Who tracks them? (Aw, fuck forgot about that)  Let us also recall that the DoD budget is not all \"fighting\" money.  The DoD is the world food program (WFP), Disaster Response, Medical Support to Africa, yada, yada, yada.  (Poor destitute folks just need moar rocketships)  So, now you have thousands of small-medium businesses supporting DoD all go bankrupt while the big space contractors (LM, Boeing, Northrup) suddenly get mega rich from all the money flowing into their niche market. (Damnit, you mean the evil defense corporations win?!?!  Yes.)    So, NASA would have to pick up some slack if they are gonna go at it alone.  Hopefully they will give jobs to the hundreds of thousands of newly jobless veterans.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":33875.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"1a7r1x","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.75,"history":"Would you consider taking a pay cut to pursue a passion? I started working as an engineer (technician) in the field, making a good salary out of college and a take home truck. I also work for one of the larger conglomerates in the world. That being said, it was the first place to hire me, and it wasnt necessarily my first career choice. Its a great work environment, flexible schedule, regular little bonuses if we meet our numbers, option of overtime, good benefits.  Recently, I've been solicited by one of my old internships in the industry that I'm looking to move in to eventually. Theres two main catches, its a small firm with roughly 250 employees, and they're offering roughly 2-3k less than what I'm making now, including the truck. Since graduating, I've been keeping an eye out for positions in this industry with other companies, thinking that its where I want to move in the future. I expected a pay cut, but now that its an option, I'm having a hard time making that decision.   Has anyone else been in a similar situation? Howd it work out for you in the end?","c_root_id_A":"c8ux1q6","c_root_id_B":"c8uz6ym","created_at_utc_A":1363192552,"created_at_utc_B":1363198775,"score_A":4,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"$2-3k is a tiny change. That's $250\/month before taxes. Maybe $70 a paycheck difference that you'll see, post-tax?  And 250 employees is hardly a small firm.  What do you mean \"including the truck\"? Are you saying that the dip in salary includes you estimating the cost of the truck, or that you'll be losing $3000 IN ADDITION to losing the truck? That becomes a bit trickier as a free(ish) car is potentially worth much more than $3,000 a year, factoring in repairs\/upkeep and insurance (if it is insured in the companies name anyway).","human_ref_B":"I took a nearly 6 figure cut to get out of an industry, specifically to live where I wanted to. No regrets in the least. Making a living is not making a life, or so I've heard.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6223.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"1a7r1x","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.75,"history":"Would you consider taking a pay cut to pursue a passion? I started working as an engineer (technician) in the field, making a good salary out of college and a take home truck. I also work for one of the larger conglomerates in the world. That being said, it was the first place to hire me, and it wasnt necessarily my first career choice. Its a great work environment, flexible schedule, regular little bonuses if we meet our numbers, option of overtime, good benefits.  Recently, I've been solicited by one of my old internships in the industry that I'm looking to move in to eventually. Theres two main catches, its a small firm with roughly 250 employees, and they're offering roughly 2-3k less than what I'm making now, including the truck. Since graduating, I've been keeping an eye out for positions in this industry with other companies, thinking that its where I want to move in the future. I expected a pay cut, but now that its an option, I'm having a hard time making that decision.   Has anyone else been in a similar situation? Howd it work out for you in the end?","c_root_id_A":"c8ux1q6","c_root_id_B":"c8uv0af","created_at_utc_A":1363192552,"created_at_utc_B":1363186100,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"$2-3k is a tiny change. That's $250\/month before taxes. Maybe $70 a paycheck difference that you'll see, post-tax?  And 250 employees is hardly a small firm.  What do you mean \"including the truck\"? Are you saying that the dip in salary includes you estimating the cost of the truck, or that you'll be losing $3000 IN ADDITION to losing the truck? That becomes a bit trickier as a free(ish) car is potentially worth much more than $3,000 a year, factoring in repairs\/upkeep and insurance (if it is insured in the companies name anyway).","human_ref_B":"YES.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6452.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"1a7r1x","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.75,"history":"Would you consider taking a pay cut to pursue a passion? I started working as an engineer (technician) in the field, making a good salary out of college and a take home truck. I also work for one of the larger conglomerates in the world. That being said, it was the first place to hire me, and it wasnt necessarily my first career choice. Its a great work environment, flexible schedule, regular little bonuses if we meet our numbers, option of overtime, good benefits.  Recently, I've been solicited by one of my old internships in the industry that I'm looking to move in to eventually. Theres two main catches, its a small firm with roughly 250 employees, and they're offering roughly 2-3k less than what I'm making now, including the truck. Since graduating, I've been keeping an eye out for positions in this industry with other companies, thinking that its where I want to move in the future. I expected a pay cut, but now that its an option, I'm having a hard time making that decision.   Has anyone else been in a similar situation? Howd it work out for you in the end?","c_root_id_A":"c8uz6ym","c_root_id_B":"c8uv0af","created_at_utc_A":1363198775,"created_at_utc_B":1363186100,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I took a nearly 6 figure cut to get out of an industry, specifically to live where I wanted to. No regrets in the least. Making a living is not making a life, or so I've heard.","human_ref_B":"YES.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":12675.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"1a7r1x","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.75,"history":"Would you consider taking a pay cut to pursue a passion? I started working as an engineer (technician) in the field, making a good salary out of college and a take home truck. I also work for one of the larger conglomerates in the world. That being said, it was the first place to hire me, and it wasnt necessarily my first career choice. Its a great work environment, flexible schedule, regular little bonuses if we meet our numbers, option of overtime, good benefits.  Recently, I've been solicited by one of my old internships in the industry that I'm looking to move in to eventually. Theres two main catches, its a small firm with roughly 250 employees, and they're offering roughly 2-3k less than what I'm making now, including the truck. Since graduating, I've been keeping an eye out for positions in this industry with other companies, thinking that its where I want to move in the future. I expected a pay cut, but now that its an option, I'm having a hard time making that decision.   Has anyone else been in a similar situation? Howd it work out for you in the end?","c_root_id_A":"c8v8ko2","c_root_id_B":"c8uv0af","created_at_utc_A":1363226286,"created_at_utc_B":1363186100,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I've always said the following and it hasn't let me down.   Pick jobs for the people that work there and the opportunity. The money is just a consequence. I could break rocks with a hammer all day if it was with people that were good to work with, and the rocks were moon rocks or something.   If its cool and fun, do it. If you think about money too much, it becomes all you care about. Don't be that guy.","human_ref_B":"YES.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":40186.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"1a7r1x","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.75,"history":"Would you consider taking a pay cut to pursue a passion? I started working as an engineer (technician) in the field, making a good salary out of college and a take home truck. I also work for one of the larger conglomerates in the world. That being said, it was the first place to hire me, and it wasnt necessarily my first career choice. Its a great work environment, flexible schedule, regular little bonuses if we meet our numbers, option of overtime, good benefits.  Recently, I've been solicited by one of my old internships in the industry that I'm looking to move in to eventually. Theres two main catches, its a small firm with roughly 250 employees, and they're offering roughly 2-3k less than what I'm making now, including the truck. Since graduating, I've been keeping an eye out for positions in this industry with other companies, thinking that its where I want to move in the future. I expected a pay cut, but now that its an option, I'm having a hard time making that decision.   Has anyone else been in a similar situation? Howd it work out for you in the end?","c_root_id_A":"c8v8ko2","c_root_id_B":"c8v00m0","created_at_utc_A":1363226286,"created_at_utc_B":1363201147,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I've always said the following and it hasn't let me down.   Pick jobs for the people that work there and the opportunity. The money is just a consequence. I could break rocks with a hammer all day if it was with people that were good to work with, and the rocks were moon rocks or something.   If its cool and fun, do it. If you think about money too much, it becomes all you care about. Don't be that guy.","human_ref_B":"You will sincerely regret not doing this is you decide to stay in the job you have less passion for. The money is just a tool for you to do things you like to do. If you can do a thing you like to do *and* make a tiny amount less than you do now, I'd say go for it. To frame it another way: would you rather have something worth 3 thousand dollars, or a job that you are passionate about? It's essentially the same question.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":25139.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"4etgal","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"MEs who worked a few years and then went back for an MS degree, did you notice any change in the jobs you were being considered for? Was it worth it? I'm an entry level design engineer who basically plays CAD jockey all day right now. Most of the jobs I see sound very similar in scope and work unfortunately. I've been on the fence about going back for an MS for about a year now but I can't seem to decide if it would be worth it or not.   *Possible* pros:  * Better suited for more interesting work * Pay bump * More responsibility at work * Opportunity to study things that interest me (aerospace)   *Possible* cons:  * 2 more years without income and go back to being a broke college student * More debt (I'm not banking on getting funding as only an MS student) * No guarantee I'll be any better off than I am now * 2 years of work experience might be more valuable than another degree  For some context, I'm looking to get into a work environment that's a good mix of design work and hands-on work. My area of interest is \"new space\" companies like Deep Space Industries, SpaceX, Planetary Resources, etc. and other startups. I'm not a huge fan of working for mega corporations so I think a startup-ish environment might be better suited for me.   I'd like to hear from other engineers that are or were in my position who decided to pull the trigger and go back to school. How did it work out? Are you glad you did it? Do you think you could have gotten to where you are now without an MS degree?","c_root_id_A":"d23b1rn","c_root_id_B":"d23d3tt","created_at_utc_A":1460677335,"created_at_utc_B":1460680517,"score_A":6,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"I can't speak to going back to school. I went for the MSME immediately following the BSME (I was a graduate research assistant).  The experience was worthwhile in the sense that it taught me how to live without money or sleep, and now I can write technical papers that go on for daysszzzz.  In all practicality, experience in your field will serve you better than an extra degree ever will, both at a job interview and in your daily work.  All else being equal, if two candidates interviewing for a job are similarly suitable for the position, but one has a higher level degree, the nod usually goes to the person with the extra degree.","human_ref_B":"Yes, I was in a similar position, in a niche industry with lots of jobs but tough to break out of. After getting my Masters, I found a much more interesting job, going from basic CAD to R&D.  Pay bump was about 25k.  Of course, I can't say what would've happened if I hadn't gone for the MS. It probably would've worked out OK regardless, but I don't regret it.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3182.0,"score_ratio":2.8333333333}
{"post_id":"5dhfmr","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Does anyone who has experience with Lockheed Martin have advice as to how it is to work there? I am considering and internship at Lockheed Martin and was wondering what kind of company is it to work for? Are they fair to their employees? Is there ample opportunity for advancement? Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks","c_root_id_A":"da4p7kw","c_root_id_B":"da4rqng","created_at_utc_A":1479415377,"created_at_utc_B":1479418443,"score_A":7,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"I work for a major aerospace corporation.   You tend to be a tiny cog in a giant machine. It is normally a very secure job on the commercial side and not so much on the defense side. This is because everything is based on government contracts which can get iffy sometimes.   It looks great on your resume. You can usually spend a career moving around a megacorp since there are tons of options.   Benefits tend to be great since collective bargaining exists. \/u\/Sabrewolf hit most of the points I would make. I will say that research tends to require you to justify your job a bit more since research projects can, do, and will fail.","human_ref_B":"I haven't worked at LMCO but I have worked for several defense firms, including some of the biggest ones. First, don't get ahead of yourself. It's just an internship. Once you've been there for a bit you will be able to answer all these questions for yourself much better than any of us can.  Secondly, an internship will help you get a much better first job. If you want to work in the aerospace industry, this will be a fantastic position. It will help you immensely later on, regardless of whether you sign on with them later or not. So if this job has been offered to you, this is the kind of thing you want to do, and the logistics work out, I would strongly recommend taking it. The only reason not to, in my mind, would be if other large aerospace firms might make a similar offer.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3066.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"5dhfmr","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Does anyone who has experience with Lockheed Martin have advice as to how it is to work there? I am considering and internship at Lockheed Martin and was wondering what kind of company is it to work for? Are they fair to their employees? Is there ample opportunity for advancement? Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks","c_root_id_A":"da54jv3","c_root_id_B":"da5avj9","created_at_utc_A":1479435994,"created_at_utc_B":1479445810,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"1980's vet.  Loved it. Regret leaving.  Probably my favorite job.  Test engineering, Denver.  Great outfit.   Huge.  Amazing projects all the time.","human_ref_B":"I worked for LMCO for 15 years, I say past tense because LMCO just sold our division to another company.  I was never an intern myself but I knew a lot of them over the years, and even mentored a couple.    They will attempt to find you \"real work\", so don't worry that you're just going to be making copies and filling the coffee pot or something like that.  It's not going to be real critical work, because we don't know your abilities yet, but occasionally we'll get a really bright kid and we'll move them onto something more interesting.    You'll get credit for years of service from your internship if you decide to become a full-time employee after graduation.  Which is nice because seniority brings more vacation time.  It's a big company, biggest defense contractor actually, so if you don't like what type of work your division does, I guarantee you there are open positions elsewhere that you can apply for internally.  Some of those are engineer positions, but some are management as well.  I think all but maybe one or two of our managers are engineers who decided they couldn't handle real work and got lobotomized into management instead.  Despite LMCO's push in a last 10 years for \"One Company, One Team\", the culture can vary from division to division.  Especially since a lot of what are now LMCO units were previously smaller companies that LMCO bought out.  So it's hard to give you specifics beyond the general corporate policy level stuff.   Given how large the company is, and probably due to most of our customers being government agencies, the company itself operates a lot like a government.  Lots of overhead, slow to react to market changes and many layers of management.  But as long as you're not looking for the Mom&Pop startup experience, it's a pretty decent place to work.  I was hired out of college with them and stayed there for 15 years, and like I said above, only reason I'm not still there is they just sold me to another company.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9816.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"3qsz9o","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"What exactly is \"Systems Engineering\"? I come from an electrical engineering background, specializing in front end digital design, currently working on SoC architecture and integration.  I've read online some descriptions of Systems Engineering, but it seems ambiguous to me.  Almost everything can be thought of as a system, whether it's mechanical\/electrical\/chemical.  The more you get familiar with your field, the more high level and system like you seem to get.  So what's special about system engineers?","c_root_id_A":"cwi6514","c_root_id_B":"cwi80cj","created_at_utc_A":1446193375,"created_at_utc_B":1446201861,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"You're right in saying that almost anything can be thought of as a system.   The important thing is there are a lot of tools (e.g. pugh matrix) that can be applied, REGARDLESS of what the system actually is, that help make sure you meet your requirements in the most effective way e.t.c.   Systems engineers are experienced in these tools and apply them to projects as required.  Usually they will be helping \/ will have help from a specialist in the area to translate the systems work back into something specific to the project.  FYI I'm not a systems engineer but I do work with them and have some training in it.","human_ref_B":"Nuclear power plants have a full system engineering department. They track performance of their assigned systems, track maintenance and determine maintenance, petition for funds for upgrades and manage the engineering aspects of those projects, perform troubleshooting, manage the performance indicators, and overall are the owners of their particular system, acting as a single point of contact for any and all issues.   It is an applied form of engineering. Electrical\/mechanical engineers specialize in their discipline. Systems engineers use their discipline in combination with preventative maintenance and systems management practices to allow for efficient operation to a facility.   In the nuclear case my plant has over 100 different systems. All systems are divided up between NSSS (nuclear steam supply system), electrical, controls, and BOP\/mechanical. These 4 groups of engineers then each are assigned systems from their respective group and they own those systems.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8486.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"3qsz9o","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"What exactly is \"Systems Engineering\"? I come from an electrical engineering background, specializing in front end digital design, currently working on SoC architecture and integration.  I've read online some descriptions of Systems Engineering, but it seems ambiguous to me.  Almost everything can be thought of as a system, whether it's mechanical\/electrical\/chemical.  The more you get familiar with your field, the more high level and system like you seem to get.  So what's special about system engineers?","c_root_id_A":"cwieoc9","c_root_id_B":"cwi6514","created_at_utc_A":1446217329,"created_at_utc_B":1446193375,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I've worked at a jet engine OEM as a component designer, and I'm currently working in space life support also in component design. In both cases, the systems engineers designed the... system (as a whole).   For the engines, the systems guys took customer requirements and said, \"To meet this, our engine will have an inlet of x inch and run a compression ratio of y:1 while staying under z lbs.\" They then designed a system architecture (stage counts, spool speeds, etc.) and wrote the module requirements that their analyses said would get us there.  Those were then flowed down to the module level (high compressor, combustor, turbine, etc) where they'd be broken down by the module level systems guys who would turn them into component requirements (airfoil geometry, tip clearances seals, etc.) which I would use to design hardware.  On the space side, it's very similar. The systems guys take customer requirements (crew size, cabin volume) and design the sub systems to get there. They then layout the hardware requirements to get is there. As a designer, I take the requirements and make the hardware happen.   In both cases, the systems engineers also act as the go-betweens between the level \"below\" and the level \"above\"  them when it came to requirements negotiations.","human_ref_B":"You're right in saying that almost anything can be thought of as a system.   The important thing is there are a lot of tools (e.g. pugh matrix) that can be applied, REGARDLESS of what the system actually is, that help make sure you meet your requirements in the most effective way e.t.c.   Systems engineers are experienced in these tools and apply them to projects as required.  Usually they will be helping \/ will have help from a specialist in the area to translate the systems work back into something specific to the project.  FYI I'm not a systems engineer but I do work with them and have some training in it.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":23954.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"roegli","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Why did you change fields? Mainly for all the engineers that changed fields\/disciplines. What drove the change and was it worth it? Happy Holidays!","c_root_id_A":"hpxtres","c_root_id_B":"hpxxgu9","created_at_utc_A":1640457194,"created_at_utc_B":1640459097,"score_A":42,"score_B":81,"human_ref_A":"I'm actuality attempting to change careers right now.  I love engineering,  love the type of work I do,  solving problems.   It's great.   However I got a taste of being self employed.   The thought of being my own boss is enticing.","human_ref_B":"Pay and quality of life. Went to school for mechanical and quickly realized systems, project, and software engineering are all pay bands above mechanical.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1903.0,"score_ratio":1.9285714286}
{"post_id":"roegli","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Why did you change fields? Mainly for all the engineers that changed fields\/disciplines. What drove the change and was it worth it? Happy Holidays!","c_root_id_A":"hpxwlok","c_root_id_B":"hpxxgu9","created_at_utc_A":1640458660,"created_at_utc_B":1640459097,"score_A":26,"score_B":81,"human_ref_A":"Went from engineering consulting to utilities. It provided a stable job and now I have the ability to move around the company to whichever route I prefer!","human_ref_B":"Pay and quality of life. Went to school for mechanical and quickly realized systems, project, and software engineering are all pay bands above mechanical.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":437.0,"score_ratio":3.1153846154}
{"post_id":"roegli","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Why did you change fields? Mainly for all the engineers that changed fields\/disciplines. What drove the change and was it worth it? Happy Holidays!","c_root_id_A":"hpxtres","c_root_id_B":"hpxy7h6","created_at_utc_A":1640457194,"created_at_utc_B":1640459464,"score_A":42,"score_B":73,"human_ref_A":"I'm actuality attempting to change careers right now.  I love engineering,  love the type of work I do,  solving problems.   It's great.   However I got a taste of being self employed.   The thought of being my own boss is enticing.","human_ref_B":"As an electronics technician, I have to constantly change EM fields as part of my job.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2270.0,"score_ratio":1.7380952381}
{"post_id":"roegli","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Why did you change fields? Mainly for all the engineers that changed fields\/disciplines. What drove the change and was it worth it? Happy Holidays!","c_root_id_A":"hpxy7h6","c_root_id_B":"hpxwlok","created_at_utc_A":1640459464,"created_at_utc_B":1640458660,"score_A":73,"score_B":26,"human_ref_A":"As an electronics technician, I have to constantly change EM fields as part of my job.","human_ref_B":"Went from engineering consulting to utilities. It provided a stable job and now I have the ability to move around the company to whichever route I prefer!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":804.0,"score_ratio":2.8076923077}
{"post_id":"roegli","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Why did you change fields? Mainly for all the engineers that changed fields\/disciplines. What drove the change and was it worth it? Happy Holidays!","c_root_id_A":"hpy0loy","c_root_id_B":"hpy0mv5","created_at_utc_A":1640460659,"created_at_utc_B":1640460676,"score_A":5,"score_B":21,"human_ref_A":"Currently thinking of doing this myself. Working as a mech e in med device right now, wanting to switch to comp sci. I found that I really enjoy coding through the process of finishing up my degree, and would love to do that more. I\u2019ve always been more drawn to the theoretical and mathematical side of engineering than the practical side- unfortunately in industry it\u2019s all practical stuff. I write code for automating things at work right now and use creative problem solving skills doing that far more than I do with my \u2018actual\u2019 projects.   This is just med device specific but the project timelines are mind-numbingly long. I\u2019d prefer to work on something with faster turn around, just my personality type.  CS seems to pay quite a bit better as well.","human_ref_B":"Civil working as Electrical & Energy Managment consulting, going to change to a project management PMO position soon. Engineers in my country are just glorified technician (not being appreciated properly, sadly).","labels":0,"seconds_difference":17.0,"score_ratio":4.2}
{"post_id":"roegli","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Why did you change fields? Mainly for all the engineers that changed fields\/disciplines. What drove the change and was it worth it? Happy Holidays!","c_root_id_A":"hpy0loy","c_root_id_B":"hpy1bkd","created_at_utc_A":1640460659,"created_at_utc_B":1640461030,"score_A":5,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"Currently thinking of doing this myself. Working as a mech e in med device right now, wanting to switch to comp sci. I found that I really enjoy coding through the process of finishing up my degree, and would love to do that more. I\u2019ve always been more drawn to the theoretical and mathematical side of engineering than the practical side- unfortunately in industry it\u2019s all practical stuff. I write code for automating things at work right now and use creative problem solving skills doing that far more than I do with my \u2018actual\u2019 projects.   This is just med device specific but the project timelines are mind-numbingly long. I\u2019d prefer to work on something with faster turn around, just my personality type.  CS seems to pay quite a bit better as well.","human_ref_B":"Climate change","labels":0,"seconds_difference":371.0,"score_ratio":2.4}
{"post_id":"roegli","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Why did you change fields? Mainly for all the engineers that changed fields\/disciplines. What drove the change and was it worth it? Happy Holidays!","c_root_id_A":"hpy6lfy","c_root_id_B":"hpy0loy","created_at_utc_A":1640463699,"created_at_utc_B":1640460659,"score_A":9,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Well initially you think you like something and then you find out about this cool subfield that's freaking awesome so you change specialties... Because the wonderful thing about engineering is there's always some obscure niche specialty specialty that you haven't heard of until you're working in a particular field for a while and then you meet some random person who works in that field and they're looking for a new engineer for it and you're like that sounds awesome and then you end up with another job in a different slightly bizarre sub Lee bizarre subfield but it's fascinating so you stick with it and you end up being 1 of 4 people in the country that can do this very specific thing that is utterly fascinating to you","human_ref_B":"Currently thinking of doing this myself. Working as a mech e in med device right now, wanting to switch to comp sci. I found that I really enjoy coding through the process of finishing up my degree, and would love to do that more. I\u2019ve always been more drawn to the theoretical and mathematical side of engineering than the practical side- unfortunately in industry it\u2019s all practical stuff. I write code for automating things at work right now and use creative problem solving skills doing that far more than I do with my \u2018actual\u2019 projects.   This is just med device specific but the project timelines are mind-numbingly long. I\u2019d prefer to work on something with faster turn around, just my personality type.  CS seems to pay quite a bit better as well.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3040.0,"score_ratio":1.8}
{"post_id":"roegli","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Why did you change fields? Mainly for all the engineers that changed fields\/disciplines. What drove the change and was it worth it? Happy Holidays!","c_root_id_A":"hpyhdp7","c_root_id_B":"hpy8vzo","created_at_utc_A":1640469253,"created_at_utc_B":1640464885,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Kinda fell into into each of the changes. My schooling is in applied math but after my doctorate I got a job as a systems engineer in defense. I became a systems engineering manager there, then moved to aerospace where I have been a systems engineering manager, a mechanical engineering manager on three projects, and am now a mechanical engineering line manager. Each of these positions afforded the opportunity to learn new things. I don't regret the changes at all.","human_ref_B":"I changed fields for pay, quality of life, and just to mix things up a bit.    After college I was O&G field -> power gen design -> food manufacturing -> retail supply chain -> O&G projects -> entertainment programs","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4368.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"roegli","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Why did you change fields? Mainly for all the engineers that changed fields\/disciplines. What drove the change and was it worth it? Happy Holidays!","c_root_id_A":"hpyigjv","c_root_id_B":"hpy8vzo","created_at_utc_A":1640469798,"created_at_utc_B":1640464885,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Went to school for mechanical, and while I was good at it, I absolutely hated it. I was bored out of my mind. Getting my masters in environmental eng now and enjoy it 100x more. Couldn\u2019t be happier.","human_ref_B":"I changed fields for pay, quality of life, and just to mix things up a bit.    After college I was O&G field -> power gen design -> food manufacturing -> retail supply chain -> O&G projects -> entertainment programs","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4913.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"roegli","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Why did you change fields? Mainly for all the engineers that changed fields\/disciplines. What drove the change and was it worth it? Happy Holidays!","c_root_id_A":"hpy8vzo","c_root_id_B":"hpz7rmj","created_at_utc_A":1640464885,"created_at_utc_B":1640482737,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I changed fields for pay, quality of life, and just to mix things up a bit.    After college I was O&G field -> power gen design -> food manufacturing -> retail supply chain -> O&G projects -> entertainment programs","human_ref_B":"I was a PE in ChE, 14 years experience, and switched to patent law.  I made the change because at that time (early 90s) I thought OSHA and EPA were combining to push new petrochemical plants offshore, i.e., the Middle East.  I really liked construction management and with a family, I didn't want to move to Saudi Arabia.    In retrospect I didn't know how big of a risk I was taking.  I worked very hard in law school and got a couple of early breaks, and everything worked out.  One of the benefits I didn't expect is that our three daughters are themselves professionals (two attorneys and one oncologist), probably because of the example I gave.  If an engineer has unusually strong written and oral communication skills, along with good logic, then patent law may be a good path to provide greater long term job security and earnings.  Without excellent basic communications skills, law probably is not a good choice.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":17852.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"roegli","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Why did you change fields? Mainly for all the engineers that changed fields\/disciplines. What drove the change and was it worth it? Happy Holidays!","c_root_id_A":"hpyfdv7","c_root_id_B":"hpyhdp7","created_at_utc_A":1640468246,"created_at_utc_B":1640469253,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"I never intended to be an engineer, I used it to get into a business engineering hybrid, which took me to software product management for the pay and lifestyle.","human_ref_B":"Kinda fell into into each of the changes. My schooling is in applied math but after my doctorate I got a job as a systems engineer in defense. I became a systems engineering manager there, then moved to aerospace where I have been a systems engineering manager, a mechanical engineering manager on three projects, and am now a mechanical engineering line manager. Each of these positions afforded the opportunity to learn new things. I don't regret the changes at all.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1007.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"roegli","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Why did you change fields? Mainly for all the engineers that changed fields\/disciplines. What drove the change and was it worth it? Happy Holidays!","c_root_id_A":"hpyigjv","c_root_id_B":"hpyfdv7","created_at_utc_A":1640469798,"created_at_utc_B":1640468246,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Went to school for mechanical, and while I was good at it, I absolutely hated it. I was bored out of my mind. Getting my masters in environmental eng now and enjoy it 100x more. Couldn\u2019t be happier.","human_ref_B":"I never intended to be an engineer, I used it to get into a business engineering hybrid, which took me to software product management for the pay and lifestyle.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1552.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"roegli","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Why did you change fields? Mainly for all the engineers that changed fields\/disciplines. What drove the change and was it worth it? Happy Holidays!","c_root_id_A":"hpz7rmj","c_root_id_B":"hpyfdv7","created_at_utc_A":1640482737,"created_at_utc_B":1640468246,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I was a PE in ChE, 14 years experience, and switched to patent law.  I made the change because at that time (early 90s) I thought OSHA and EPA were combining to push new petrochemical plants offshore, i.e., the Middle East.  I really liked construction management and with a family, I didn't want to move to Saudi Arabia.    In retrospect I didn't know how big of a risk I was taking.  I worked very hard in law school and got a couple of early breaks, and everything worked out.  One of the benefits I didn't expect is that our three daughters are themselves professionals (two attorneys and one oncologist), probably because of the example I gave.  If an engineer has unusually strong written and oral communication skills, along with good logic, then patent law may be a good path to provide greater long term job security and earnings.  Without excellent basic communications skills, law probably is not a good choice.","human_ref_B":"I never intended to be an engineer, I used it to get into a business engineering hybrid, which took me to software product management for the pay and lifestyle.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":14491.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"od30mi","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is there anything so large that earth\u2019s curvature is a design consideration? My first thought is roads but how about buildings with exceptionally large footprints or something else entirely?","c_root_id_A":"h3xydsk","c_root_id_B":"h3y9t69","created_at_utc_A":1625335894,"created_at_utc_B":1625341899,"score_A":25,"score_B":38,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019ve heard that snipers have to take the earth\u2019s spin into consideration for a really long distance shots.  Also, anything to do with satellite communication.","human_ref_B":"The height of lighthouses is a factor for the distance the light is seen, and not only the power of the lamp.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6005.0,"score_ratio":1.52}
{"post_id":"od30mi","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is there anything so large that earth\u2019s curvature is a design consideration? My first thought is roads but how about buildings with exceptionally large footprints or something else entirely?","c_root_id_A":"h3y1mfz","c_root_id_B":"h3y9t69","created_at_utc_A":1625337612,"created_at_utc_B":1625341899,"score_A":17,"score_B":38,"human_ref_A":"Ligo https:\/\/www.ligo.caltech.edu\/page\/facts  https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=DjcS1kRkc6M   I can't find anything but I imagine the super collider at CERN is \"flat\" despite the curve of the earth","human_ref_B":"The height of lighthouses is a factor for the distance the light is seen, and not only the power of the lamp.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4287.0,"score_ratio":2.2352941176}
{"post_id":"od30mi","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is there anything so large that earth\u2019s curvature is a design consideration? My first thought is roads but how about buildings with exceptionally large footprints or something else entirely?","c_root_id_A":"h3yef2s","c_root_id_B":"h409icl","created_at_utc_A":1625344320,"created_at_utc_B":1625390044,"score_A":9,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"Man I wish some flat earthers would come on this sub \/s","human_ref_B":"Radar design considers earth curvature. The traditional approach is actually to assume 4\/3 earth radius to account for refraction effects, \"unbending\" the radio waves.  This has nothing to do with the size of the radar obviously but the instrumented range it covers","labels":0,"seconds_difference":45724.0,"score_ratio":1.1111111111}
{"post_id":"od30mi","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is there anything so large that earth\u2019s curvature is a design consideration? My first thought is roads but how about buildings with exceptionally large footprints or something else entirely?","c_root_id_A":"h3ydi7n","c_root_id_B":"h3yef2s","created_at_utc_A":1625343838,"created_at_utc_B":1625344320,"score_A":3,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Some machine tools are not that large, but they are precise enough that it's a consideration.  https:\/\/www.practicalmachinist.com\/vb\/general\/way-scraping-140164\/#post681895","human_ref_B":"Man I wish some flat earthers would come on this sub \/s","labels":0,"seconds_difference":482.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"od30mi","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is there anything so large that earth\u2019s curvature is a design consideration? My first thought is roads but how about buildings with exceptionally large footprints or something else entirely?","c_root_id_A":"h409icl","c_root_id_B":"h400ew0","created_at_utc_A":1625390044,"created_at_utc_B":1625381432,"score_A":10,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Radar design considers earth curvature. The traditional approach is actually to assume 4\/3 earth radius to account for refraction effects, \"unbending\" the radio waves.  This has nothing to do with the size of the radar obviously but the instrumented range it covers","human_ref_B":"A lot of these things are factored into surveying. Not so much with buildings, but large scale construction projects they are. And a lot of the mathematics are already factored into the total stations used. But the answer is yes, it\u2019s one of the fundamentals of surveying","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8612.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"od30mi","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is there anything so large that earth\u2019s curvature is a design consideration? My first thought is roads but how about buildings with exceptionally large footprints or something else entirely?","c_root_id_A":"h3z8vm1","c_root_id_B":"h409icl","created_at_utc_A":1625362004,"created_at_utc_B":1625390044,"score_A":5,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"Mineral bodies and oil fields need to have it accounted for if they are big. I got told this by an oil well engineer so I don't know how common this is.","human_ref_B":"Radar design considers earth curvature. The traditional approach is actually to assume 4\/3 earth radius to account for refraction effects, \"unbending\" the radio waves.  This has nothing to do with the size of the radar obviously but the instrumented range it covers","labels":0,"seconds_difference":28040.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"od30mi","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is there anything so large that earth\u2019s curvature is a design consideration? My first thought is roads but how about buildings with exceptionally large footprints or something else entirely?","c_root_id_A":"h409icl","c_root_id_B":"h3ydi7n","created_at_utc_A":1625390044,"created_at_utc_B":1625343838,"score_A":10,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Radar design considers earth curvature. The traditional approach is actually to assume 4\/3 earth radius to account for refraction effects, \"unbending\" the radio waves.  This has nothing to do with the size of the radar obviously but the instrumented range it covers","human_ref_B":"Some machine tools are not that large, but they are precise enough that it's a consideration.  https:\/\/www.practicalmachinist.com\/vb\/general\/way-scraping-140164\/#post681895","labels":1,"seconds_difference":46206.0,"score_ratio":3.3333333333}
{"post_id":"od30mi","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is there anything so large that earth\u2019s curvature is a design consideration? My first thought is roads but how about buildings with exceptionally large footprints or something else entirely?","c_root_id_A":"h409icl","c_root_id_B":"h3ynatb","created_at_utc_A":1625390044,"created_at_utc_B":1625349128,"score_A":10,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Radar design considers earth curvature. The traditional approach is actually to assume 4\/3 earth radius to account for refraction effects, \"unbending\" the radio waves.  This has nothing to do with the size of the radar obviously but the instrumented range it covers","human_ref_B":"~~Your mom~~","labels":1,"seconds_difference":40916.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"od30mi","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is there anything so large that earth\u2019s curvature is a design consideration? My first thought is roads but how about buildings with exceptionally large footprints or something else entirely?","c_root_id_A":"h409icl","c_root_id_B":"h3yku58","created_at_utc_A":1625390044,"created_at_utc_B":1625347776,"score_A":10,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Radar design considers earth curvature. The traditional approach is actually to assume 4\/3 earth radius to account for refraction effects, \"unbending\" the radio waves.  This has nothing to do with the size of the radar obviously but the instrumented range it covers","human_ref_B":"Airport landing strips","labels":1,"seconds_difference":42268.0,"score_ratio":5.0}
{"post_id":"od30mi","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is there anything so large that earth\u2019s curvature is a design consideration? My first thought is roads but how about buildings with exceptionally large footprints or something else entirely?","c_root_id_A":"h409icl","c_root_id_B":"h3yngmy","created_at_utc_A":1625390044,"created_at_utc_B":1625349218,"score_A":10,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Radar design considers earth curvature. The traditional approach is actually to assume 4\/3 earth radius to account for refraction effects, \"unbending\" the radio waves.  This has nothing to do with the size of the radar obviously but the instrumented range it covers","human_ref_B":"I remember hearing that the Brooklyn Bridge towers are 2\u00b0 out of parallel to accommodate the curvature of the earth.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":40826.0,"score_ratio":5.0}
{"post_id":"od30mi","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is there anything so large that earth\u2019s curvature is a design consideration? My first thought is roads but how about buildings with exceptionally large footprints or something else entirely?","c_root_id_A":"h409icl","c_root_id_B":"h3z3wv5","created_at_utc_A":1625390044,"created_at_utc_B":1625358926,"score_A":10,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Radar design considers earth curvature. The traditional approach is actually to assume 4\/3 earth radius to account for refraction effects, \"unbending\" the radio waves.  This has nothing to do with the size of the radar obviously but the instrumented range it covers","human_ref_B":"In a rigid structure, no. The curvature is too small to be measurable by any tools we have.  However, there are many situations where the curvature of the earth matters. For instance, time zones. That was the first situation when the effects of the curvature of the earth became obvious, when people sent telegraph messages over long distances the local time when the message arrived was different from the local time in the place where the message was sent.  Another example: radio links. When you set up a microwave link to a distant station, you must take into account the curvature of the earth to determine if the receiving station is visible.  But these are not about solid structures. There is no building or machine so big that the curvature of the earth makes any difference in the design and construction.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":31118.0,"score_ratio":5.0}
{"post_id":"od30mi","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is there anything so large that earth\u2019s curvature is a design consideration? My first thought is roads but how about buildings with exceptionally large footprints or something else entirely?","c_root_id_A":"h3zk5cl","c_root_id_B":"h409icl","created_at_utc_A":1625369106,"created_at_utc_B":1625390044,"score_A":2,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"Seawater temp and salinity is taken into consideration for ships","human_ref_B":"Radar design considers earth curvature. The traditional approach is actually to assume 4\/3 earth radius to account for refraction effects, \"unbending\" the radio waves.  This has nothing to do with the size of the radar obviously but the instrumented range it covers","labels":0,"seconds_difference":20938.0,"score_ratio":5.0}
{"post_id":"od30mi","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is there anything so large that earth\u2019s curvature is a design consideration? My first thought is roads but how about buildings with exceptionally large footprints or something else entirely?","c_root_id_A":"h400ew0","c_root_id_B":"h3z8vm1","created_at_utc_A":1625381432,"created_at_utc_B":1625362004,"score_A":6,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"A lot of these things are factored into surveying. Not so much with buildings, but large scale construction projects they are. And a lot of the mathematics are already factored into the total stations used. But the answer is yes, it\u2019s one of the fundamentals of surveying","human_ref_B":"Mineral bodies and oil fields need to have it accounted for if they are big. I got told this by an oil well engineer so I don't know how common this is.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":19428.0,"score_ratio":1.2}
{"post_id":"od30mi","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is there anything so large that earth\u2019s curvature is a design consideration? My first thought is roads but how about buildings with exceptionally large footprints or something else entirely?","c_root_id_A":"h3ydi7n","c_root_id_B":"h400ew0","created_at_utc_A":1625343838,"created_at_utc_B":1625381432,"score_A":3,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Some machine tools are not that large, but they are precise enough that it's a consideration.  https:\/\/www.practicalmachinist.com\/vb\/general\/way-scraping-140164\/#post681895","human_ref_B":"A lot of these things are factored into surveying. Not so much with buildings, but large scale construction projects they are. And a lot of the mathematics are already factored into the total stations used. But the answer is yes, it\u2019s one of the fundamentals of surveying","labels":0,"seconds_difference":37594.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"od30mi","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is there anything so large that earth\u2019s curvature is a design consideration? My first thought is roads but how about buildings with exceptionally large footprints or something else entirely?","c_root_id_A":"h3ynatb","c_root_id_B":"h400ew0","created_at_utc_A":1625349128,"created_at_utc_B":1625381432,"score_A":4,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"~~Your mom~~","human_ref_B":"A lot of these things are factored into surveying. Not so much with buildings, but large scale construction projects they are. And a lot of the mathematics are already factored into the total stations used. But the answer is yes, it\u2019s one of the fundamentals of surveying","labels":0,"seconds_difference":32304.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"od30mi","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is there anything so large that earth\u2019s curvature is a design consideration? My first thought is roads but how about buildings with exceptionally large footprints or something else entirely?","c_root_id_A":"h3yku58","c_root_id_B":"h400ew0","created_at_utc_A":1625347776,"created_at_utc_B":1625381432,"score_A":2,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Airport landing strips","human_ref_B":"A lot of these things are factored into surveying. Not so much with buildings, but large scale construction projects they are. And a lot of the mathematics are already factored into the total stations used. But the answer is yes, it\u2019s one of the fundamentals of surveying","labels":0,"seconds_difference":33656.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"od30mi","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is there anything so large that earth\u2019s curvature is a design consideration? My first thought is roads but how about buildings with exceptionally large footprints or something else entirely?","c_root_id_A":"h3yngmy","c_root_id_B":"h400ew0","created_at_utc_A":1625349218,"created_at_utc_B":1625381432,"score_A":2,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"I remember hearing that the Brooklyn Bridge towers are 2\u00b0 out of parallel to accommodate the curvature of the earth.","human_ref_B":"A lot of these things are factored into surveying. Not so much with buildings, but large scale construction projects they are. And a lot of the mathematics are already factored into the total stations used. But the answer is yes, it\u2019s one of the fundamentals of surveying","labels":0,"seconds_difference":32214.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"od30mi","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is there anything so large that earth\u2019s curvature is a design consideration? My first thought is roads but how about buildings with exceptionally large footprints or something else entirely?","c_root_id_A":"h3z3wv5","c_root_id_B":"h400ew0","created_at_utc_A":1625358926,"created_at_utc_B":1625381432,"score_A":2,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"In a rigid structure, no. The curvature is too small to be measurable by any tools we have.  However, there are many situations where the curvature of the earth matters. For instance, time zones. That was the first situation when the effects of the curvature of the earth became obvious, when people sent telegraph messages over long distances the local time when the message arrived was different from the local time in the place where the message was sent.  Another example: radio links. When you set up a microwave link to a distant station, you must take into account the curvature of the earth to determine if the receiving station is visible.  But these are not about solid structures. There is no building or machine so big that the curvature of the earth makes any difference in the design and construction.","human_ref_B":"A lot of these things are factored into surveying. Not so much with buildings, but large scale construction projects they are. And a lot of the mathematics are already factored into the total stations used. But the answer is yes, it\u2019s one of the fundamentals of surveying","labels":0,"seconds_difference":22506.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"od30mi","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is there anything so large that earth\u2019s curvature is a design consideration? My first thought is roads but how about buildings with exceptionally large footprints or something else entirely?","c_root_id_A":"h400ew0","c_root_id_B":"h3zk5cl","created_at_utc_A":1625381432,"created_at_utc_B":1625369106,"score_A":6,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"A lot of these things are factored into surveying. Not so much with buildings, but large scale construction projects they are. And a lot of the mathematics are already factored into the total stations used. But the answer is yes, it\u2019s one of the fundamentals of surveying","human_ref_B":"Seawater temp and salinity is taken into consideration for ships","labels":1,"seconds_difference":12326.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"od30mi","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is there anything so large that earth\u2019s curvature is a design consideration? My first thought is roads but how about buildings with exceptionally large footprints or something else entirely?","c_root_id_A":"h3z8vm1","c_root_id_B":"h3ydi7n","created_at_utc_A":1625362004,"created_at_utc_B":1625343838,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Mineral bodies and oil fields need to have it accounted for if they are big. I got told this by an oil well engineer so I don't know how common this is.","human_ref_B":"Some machine tools are not that large, but they are precise enough that it's a consideration.  https:\/\/www.practicalmachinist.com\/vb\/general\/way-scraping-140164\/#post681895","labels":1,"seconds_difference":18166.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"od30mi","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is there anything so large that earth\u2019s curvature is a design consideration? My first thought is roads but how about buildings with exceptionally large footprints or something else entirely?","c_root_id_A":"h3ynatb","c_root_id_B":"h3z8vm1","created_at_utc_A":1625349128,"created_at_utc_B":1625362004,"score_A":4,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"~~Your mom~~","human_ref_B":"Mineral bodies and oil fields need to have it accounted for if they are big. I got told this by an oil well engineer so I don't know how common this is.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":12876.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"od30mi","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is there anything so large that earth\u2019s curvature is a design consideration? My first thought is roads but how about buildings with exceptionally large footprints or something else entirely?","c_root_id_A":"h3yku58","c_root_id_B":"h3z8vm1","created_at_utc_A":1625347776,"created_at_utc_B":1625362004,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Airport landing strips","human_ref_B":"Mineral bodies and oil fields need to have it accounted for if they are big. I got told this by an oil well engineer so I don't know how common this is.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":14228.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"od30mi","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is there anything so large that earth\u2019s curvature is a design consideration? My first thought is roads but how about buildings with exceptionally large footprints or something else entirely?","c_root_id_A":"h3yngmy","c_root_id_B":"h3z8vm1","created_at_utc_A":1625349218,"created_at_utc_B":1625362004,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"I remember hearing that the Brooklyn Bridge towers are 2\u00b0 out of parallel to accommodate the curvature of the earth.","human_ref_B":"Mineral bodies and oil fields need to have it accounted for if they are big. I got told this by an oil well engineer so I don't know how common this is.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":12786.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"od30mi","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is there anything so large that earth\u2019s curvature is a design consideration? My first thought is roads but how about buildings with exceptionally large footprints or something else entirely?","c_root_id_A":"h3z3wv5","c_root_id_B":"h3z8vm1","created_at_utc_A":1625358926,"created_at_utc_B":1625362004,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"In a rigid structure, no. The curvature is too small to be measurable by any tools we have.  However, there are many situations where the curvature of the earth matters. For instance, time zones. That was the first situation when the effects of the curvature of the earth became obvious, when people sent telegraph messages over long distances the local time when the message arrived was different from the local time in the place where the message was sent.  Another example: radio links. When you set up a microwave link to a distant station, you must take into account the curvature of the earth to determine if the receiving station is visible.  But these are not about solid structures. There is no building or machine so big that the curvature of the earth makes any difference in the design and construction.","human_ref_B":"Mineral bodies and oil fields need to have it accounted for if they are big. I got told this by an oil well engineer so I don't know how common this is.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3078.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"od30mi","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is there anything so large that earth\u2019s curvature is a design consideration? My first thought is roads but how about buildings with exceptionally large footprints or something else entirely?","c_root_id_A":"h3ynatb","c_root_id_B":"h3ydi7n","created_at_utc_A":1625349128,"created_at_utc_B":1625343838,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"~~Your mom~~","human_ref_B":"Some machine tools are not that large, but they are precise enough that it's a consideration.  https:\/\/www.practicalmachinist.com\/vb\/general\/way-scraping-140164\/#post681895","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5290.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"od30mi","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Is there anything so large that earth\u2019s curvature is a design consideration? My first thought is roads but how about buildings with exceptionally large footprints or something else entirely?","c_root_id_A":"h3ynatb","c_root_id_B":"h3yku58","created_at_utc_A":1625349128,"created_at_utc_B":1625347776,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"~~Your mom~~","human_ref_B":"Airport landing strips","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1352.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"b5sfvu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.66,"history":"I applied to an internship and got an interview So I have been applying to a ton of internships and finally got an interview but I don\u2019t want to work for the company, if they offer me the job should I take it even though I don\u2019t wanna work for them. I\u2019m afraid of getting stuck in one place.","c_root_id_A":"ejg8kt3","c_root_id_B":"ejfobx6","created_at_utc_A":1553637173,"created_at_utc_B":1553624250,"score_A":10,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Take it, no matter what, take it. Get that temporary experience up, even if it's in an industry you're not into. This will add substance to your future resume when you start targeting jobs you really do want to work for.","human_ref_B":"Do you mean you don't want to work for them at all, ever, or you just don't want to work there for longer than the one internship?  Taking an internship will (almost) never close opportunities for you. You don't have to worry about being \"stuck\" working at that place if you decide you don't want to come back after the internship.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":12923.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"b5sfvu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.66,"history":"I applied to an internship and got an interview So I have been applying to a ton of internships and finally got an interview but I don\u2019t want to work for the company, if they offer me the job should I take it even though I don\u2019t wanna work for them. I\u2019m afraid of getting stuck in one place.","c_root_id_A":"ejg6g87","c_root_id_B":"ejg8kt3","created_at_utc_A":1553635717,"created_at_utc_B":1553637173,"score_A":3,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"My friend, you have 45 years of working in front of you.  You can change engineering careers more than a dozen times in that span, if you end up getting bored with a speciality and are willing to start from the bottom somewhere else, again.  Do not worry about an internship pigeonholing you.  Any experience is good experience when getting your entry-level job.","human_ref_B":"Take it, no matter what, take it. Get that temporary experience up, even if it's in an industry you're not into. This will add substance to your future resume when you start targeting jobs you really do want to work for.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1456.0,"score_ratio":3.3333333333}
{"post_id":"b5sfvu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.66,"history":"I applied to an internship and got an interview So I have been applying to a ton of internships and finally got an interview but I don\u2019t want to work for the company, if they offer me the job should I take it even though I don\u2019t wanna work for them. I\u2019m afraid of getting stuck in one place.","c_root_id_A":"ejg799i","c_root_id_B":"ejg8kt3","created_at_utc_A":1553636269,"created_at_utc_B":1553637173,"score_A":2,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"as opposed to, getting stuck in no place this summer...one place seems better, and its only an internsihp","human_ref_B":"Take it, no matter what, take it. Get that temporary experience up, even if it's in an industry you're not into. This will add substance to your future resume when you start targeting jobs you really do want to work for.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":904.0,"score_ratio":5.0}
{"post_id":"b5sfvu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.66,"history":"I applied to an internship and got an interview So I have been applying to a ton of internships and finally got an interview but I don\u2019t want to work for the company, if they offer me the job should I take it even though I don\u2019t wanna work for them. I\u2019m afraid of getting stuck in one place.","c_root_id_A":"ejgaaye","c_root_id_B":"ejg6g87","created_at_utc_A":1553638398,"created_at_utc_B":1553635717,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"In 2 years OP is going to be posting \"Help me find a job! I graduated and can't find work, but I never had an internship while in school so I have no experience.\"","human_ref_B":"My friend, you have 45 years of working in front of you.  You can change engineering careers more than a dozen times in that span, if you end up getting bored with a speciality and are willing to start from the bottom somewhere else, again.  Do not worry about an internship pigeonholing you.  Any experience is good experience when getting your entry-level job.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2681.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"b5sfvu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.66,"history":"I applied to an internship and got an interview So I have been applying to a ton of internships and finally got an interview but I don\u2019t want to work for the company, if they offer me the job should I take it even though I don\u2019t wanna work for them. I\u2019m afraid of getting stuck in one place.","c_root_id_A":"ejg799i","c_root_id_B":"ejgaaye","created_at_utc_A":1553636269,"created_at_utc_B":1553638398,"score_A":2,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"as opposed to, getting stuck in no place this summer...one place seems better, and its only an internsihp","human_ref_B":"In 2 years OP is going to be posting \"Help me find a job! I graduated and can't find work, but I never had an internship while in school so I have no experience.\"","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2129.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"ijviwc","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"What were the most interesting graduate UG\/PG projects during your uni days? I am more inclined towards Aerospace and Mechanical. But multidisciplinary would also suffice.","c_root_id_A":"g3gen11","c_root_id_B":"g3ggtsd","created_at_utc_A":1598873646,"created_at_utc_B":1598875473,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I would also like to know any interesting Chem E projects","human_ref_B":"* Solar Car - Was more like the real world than almost any other school related project. Deadlines. Design Reviews. Interdisciplinary. Testing. Internal politics. all the fun stuff. * Partnered with an EE student during my Experimentation class. The class project was to build a device to measure spring rate. Everyone else built something that used a weight and a ruler. We built a dynamic spring rate measurement device that measured the frequency of oscillation. Even the professor was impressed. * Sr. project was building a rubber vibration isolator tester for a company doing product development. (This one got me a job with them after graduation)","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1827.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"4idx53","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.82,"history":"Odd question, but would any of you happen to know what industries and technologies were key to shipbuilding in the early twentieth century? I know of the obvious ones like steel\/iron manufacturing, engine-building, coal\/oil production, but I'm not sure of the less-obvious-but-just-as-important ones.  It's for a mock foreign policy review on the growth of the German navy pre-WWI from a British perspective if you're interested.","c_root_id_A":"d2xgk37","c_root_id_B":"d2xbch3","created_at_utc_A":1462719870,"created_at_utc_B":1462706017,"score_A":10,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Just off the top of my head. And in no particular order. On phone so layout is being funky.  Metallurgy Ball bearings - everything was mostly ball bearings, I'm not sure when tapered roller bearing became common usage Gun barrels Precision machining, those prop shafts don't make themselves. Large casting facilities, giant props are bronze Lubrication technology, we were still using whale oil not that long ago. And part of that is also again metallurgy, bronze bearing surfaces. Electric Resistance welding, rivets and submarine hulls don't mix, that's a pretty new technology Mass production, just think of all the bolts and nuts in a battleship","human_ref_B":"You should ask google.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":13853.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"4idx53","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.82,"history":"Odd question, but would any of you happen to know what industries and technologies were key to shipbuilding in the early twentieth century? I know of the obvious ones like steel\/iron manufacturing, engine-building, coal\/oil production, but I'm not sure of the less-obvious-but-just-as-important ones.  It's for a mock foreign policy review on the growth of the German navy pre-WWI from a British perspective if you're interested.","c_root_id_A":"d2xgk37","c_root_id_B":"d2xce4s","created_at_utc_A":1462719870,"created_at_utc_B":1462709827,"score_A":10,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Just off the top of my head. And in no particular order. On phone so layout is being funky.  Metallurgy Ball bearings - everything was mostly ball bearings, I'm not sure when tapered roller bearing became common usage Gun barrels Precision machining, those prop shafts don't make themselves. Large casting facilities, giant props are bronze Lubrication technology, we were still using whale oil not that long ago. And part of that is also again metallurgy, bronze bearing surfaces. Electric Resistance welding, rivets and submarine hulls don't mix, that's a pretty new technology Mass production, just think of all the bolts and nuts in a battleship","human_ref_B":"Food and water preservation.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10043.0,"score_ratio":3.3333333333}
{"post_id":"xeze0v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Can blimps be used for wind turbine transport and installation. Since one of the limiting factors in wind blade size is the roads it travels on and blimps are currently making somewhat of a revival wouldn't it make sense to use blimps to transport the blades to the location then possibly help with installing them? So is there some reason I'm not seeing that this wouldn't work?","c_root_id_A":"iojjfnf","c_root_id_B":"iojilhv","created_at_utc_A":1663256035,"created_at_utc_B":1663255711,"score_A":29,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Quick google search shows modern blimps can lift about 3,000 lbs.  Google also says a typical 1.5MW windmill blade weighs about 11,500 lbs each, and 3.0MW blades are about 27,000 lbs each.  Blimps also do not do wind very well, and the ideal location to build windmills are windy places.  The largest heavy lift helicoptor (M-26) can do 44,000 lbs, though wind would still be an issue there.  I believe the best way would be offshore, since ships have nearly unlimited length\/weight capacities.  Offshore has a whole list of other practical issues though, the least of which is getting a sturdy enough crane to pick the blades off a moving ship.","human_ref_B":"two quick google searches states that Aerostats (blimps) today are capable of lifting a payload of 3,000 pounds (1,400 kg) to an altitude of more than 4.5 kilometres (2.8 mi) above sea level.  The weight of a wind turbine blade is 27,000 lbs.   so, not likely, imo.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":324.0,"score_ratio":14.5}
{"post_id":"xeze0v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Can blimps be used for wind turbine transport and installation. Since one of the limiting factors in wind blade size is the roads it travels on and blimps are currently making somewhat of a revival wouldn't it make sense to use blimps to transport the blades to the location then possibly help with installing them? So is there some reason I'm not seeing that this wouldn't work?","c_root_id_A":"iojilhv","c_root_id_B":"iojri9l","created_at_utc_A":1663255711,"created_at_utc_B":1663259131,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"two quick google searches states that Aerostats (blimps) today are capable of lifting a payload of 3,000 pounds (1,400 kg) to an altitude of more than 4.5 kilometres (2.8 mi) above sea level.  The weight of a wind turbine blade is 27,000 lbs.   so, not likely, imo.","human_ref_B":"In addition wind turbines are installed in windy areas and blimps don't do well in windy conditions","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3420.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"xeze0v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Can blimps be used for wind turbine transport and installation. Since one of the limiting factors in wind blade size is the roads it travels on and blimps are currently making somewhat of a revival wouldn't it make sense to use blimps to transport the blades to the location then possibly help with installing them? So is there some reason I'm not seeing that this wouldn't work?","c_root_id_A":"iojilhv","c_root_id_B":"iokaoim","created_at_utc_A":1663255711,"created_at_utc_B":1663266582,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"two quick google searches states that Aerostats (blimps) today are capable of lifting a payload of 3,000 pounds (1,400 kg) to an altitude of more than 4.5 kilometres (2.8 mi) above sea level.  The weight of a wind turbine blade is 27,000 lbs.   so, not likely, imo.","human_ref_B":"Sure as long as there is no wind! There's a reason why blimps are rarely used today. The other issue is that when a blimp drops a load it has to vent helium (perhaps it can compressed and reused these days?) which is $$$ in order to maintain constant buoyancy.   Not to mention sunlight (ie heat) expands the volume and decreases the density causing the blimp to rise during the day. At night when it cools down the volume decreases and thus the density increases... Which is why blimps traditionally only dock (ie. Land) at night....  Really blimps are terrible solutions in general.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10871.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"sx5ce6","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"Wind turbine blades production What technology is used to produce wind turbine blades?  I'm talking about some big ones with lenght over a ten of meters. Have absolutle no idea about this This blades are too big to be a sigle part, is it an assembly of many part? Which material comonnly using to produce it ?","c_root_id_A":"hxpyskg","c_root_id_B":"hxpz52w","created_at_utc_A":1645375685,"created_at_utc_B":1645375822,"score_A":4,"score_B":27,"human_ref_A":"Most are fiberglass that I\u2019ve seen. You can see a lot of the tooling and production of the blade halves if you search \u201cvestas turbine blade\u201d","human_ref_B":"Most are made of fibreglass and are indeed made in one piece.  Delivery is via an extremely long truck, which limits the potential locations of windfarms.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":137.0,"score_ratio":6.75}
{"post_id":"sx5ce6","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"Wind turbine blades production What technology is used to produce wind turbine blades?  I'm talking about some big ones with lenght over a ten of meters. Have absolutle no idea about this This blades are too big to be a sigle part, is it an assembly of many part? Which material comonnly using to produce it ?","c_root_id_A":"hxpzkok","c_root_id_B":"hxpyskg","created_at_utc_A":1645375998,"created_at_utc_B":1645375685,"score_A":12,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"They're made in both single pieces and multiple parts.  Lots of good youtube videos available.  Fiberglass and carbon fiber (more recently) are the primary materials with resin infusion process.  &#x200B;  A few videos:  https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=jpRudTUIyfM   https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=UN83zG7jHIk     There's also a \"How It's Made\" episode, but I couldn't find a good video","human_ref_B":"Most are fiberglass that I\u2019ve seen. You can see a lot of the tooling and production of the blade halves if you search \u201cvestas turbine blade\u201d","labels":1,"seconds_difference":313.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"1lajtv","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.82,"history":"How does a new house get connected to the grid? If I were to purchase a lot and want to build a house on it, how does my water and sewage get connected? Are there already hookups that are capped off, or do they have to drill in new ones? How do they tap into the water line without having it leak everywhere? Does everyone around lose water for a bit when they install it?","c_root_id_A":"cbxhbw4","c_root_id_B":"cbxd2lf","created_at_utc_A":1377750483,"created_at_utc_B":1377737986,"score_A":7,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"It depends on where you are.  If your lot is rural enough, there may be no utilities to tap into.  Most likely, electricity will be available, but you may be looking at drilling a well, installing a septic tank, etc.","human_ref_B":"If its a vacant lot that was never developed, new holes will need to be drilled.   Typically you will need approval from the AHJ (agency having jurisdiction) to tap into their utility. This may involve an engineers design to prove the water can provide the pressure required, and that the sewer can handle the extra discharge.   Upon site connection approvals from the AHJ and local building dept\/health department, a contractor will excavate down to the sewer main and core drill a hole in the sewer pipe, attaching either a saddle or riser as required, and tap into the water as \/u\/electricgears described.   If you have any other questions, feel free to ask.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":12497.0,"score_ratio":1.4}
{"post_id":"1lajtv","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.82,"history":"How does a new house get connected to the grid? If I were to purchase a lot and want to build a house on it, how does my water and sewage get connected? Are there already hookups that are capped off, or do they have to drill in new ones? How do they tap into the water line without having it leak everywhere? Does everyone around lose water for a bit when they install it?","c_root_id_A":"cbxfy08","c_root_id_B":"cbxhbw4","created_at_utc_A":1377746277,"created_at_utc_B":1377750483,"score_A":2,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Follow up question, what about the electrical connections? At some point somebody's got to be \"working hot\" which as I understand it is normally a big no-no for electricians.","human_ref_B":"It depends on where you are.  If your lot is rural enough, there may be no utilities to tap into.  Most likely, electricity will be available, but you may be looking at drilling a well, installing a septic tank, etc.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4206.0,"score_ratio":3.5}
{"post_id":"qx11uv","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"Technician vs Engineer Salary? I would much rather be hands-on at my job, but I dont much enjoy a technician salary lol. Is it possible for a technician in the Astronautical field to make six figures? Are there subfields of engineering which are more hands-on than most?","c_root_id_A":"hl6glf0","c_root_id_B":"hl6pufj","created_at_utc_A":1637274551,"created_at_utc_B":1637278541,"score_A":53,"score_B":57,"human_ref_A":"My wife was a tech making a bit over $100k in defense until recently (She recently got a promotion.... Technically she's still a tech, but she's getting that management pay now.)","human_ref_B":"guess what's between technician and engineer?  a test engineer","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3990.0,"score_ratio":1.0754716981}
{"post_id":"qx11uv","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"Technician vs Engineer Salary? I would much rather be hands-on at my job, but I dont much enjoy a technician salary lol. Is it possible for a technician in the Astronautical field to make six figures? Are there subfields of engineering which are more hands-on than most?","c_root_id_A":"hl6pufj","c_root_id_B":"hl6i4ti","created_at_utc_A":1637278541,"created_at_utc_B":1637275196,"score_A":57,"score_B":33,"human_ref_A":"guess what's between technician and engineer?  a test engineer","human_ref_B":"You might be interested in mechatronics. I used to work with a few engineers who ran all their own tests and built their own prototypes.  Alternatively, you can look into smaller companies that may not be able to afford both an engineer and a tech. The overall Engineer pay might be lower, but you'll be doing what you like, which is often worth a small pay cut.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3345.0,"score_ratio":1.7272727273}
{"post_id":"qx11uv","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"Technician vs Engineer Salary? I would much rather be hands-on at my job, but I dont much enjoy a technician salary lol. Is it possible for a technician in the Astronautical field to make six figures? Are there subfields of engineering which are more hands-on than most?","c_root_id_A":"hl6pufj","c_root_id_B":"hl6i2oo","created_at_utc_A":1637278541,"created_at_utc_B":1637275171,"score_A":57,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"guess what's between technician and engineer?  a test engineer","human_ref_B":"I\u2019ve made well over $100k as a tech in the steel industry. I worked 12 hour days, 7 days a week, for multiple months at a time, multiple times a year. Do not recommend. I would work 16 hour shifts if people called off, or quit. I worked quite a bit of 16 hour shifts.   On a more serious note to answer more along the lines of what you are asking I believe. I made good money with no ot. About $60k which for the area I lived in was very good. I think a lot of it just depends on the area and the field.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3370.0,"score_ratio":3.3529411765}
{"post_id":"qx11uv","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"Technician vs Engineer Salary? I would much rather be hands-on at my job, but I dont much enjoy a technician salary lol. Is it possible for a technician in the Astronautical field to make six figures? Are there subfields of engineering which are more hands-on than most?","c_root_id_A":"hl6idvd","c_root_id_B":"hl6pufj","created_at_utc_A":1637275303,"created_at_utc_B":1637278541,"score_A":15,"score_B":57,"human_ref_A":"Our best EE techs make low six figures. Problem is, once they get that high they are doing more supervising and less wrench turing and wire soldering.","human_ref_B":"guess what's between technician and engineer?  a test engineer","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3238.0,"score_ratio":3.8}
{"post_id":"qx11uv","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"Technician vs Engineer Salary? I would much rather be hands-on at my job, but I dont much enjoy a technician salary lol. Is it possible for a technician in the Astronautical field to make six figures? Are there subfields of engineering which are more hands-on than most?","c_root_id_A":"hl6pufj","c_root_id_B":"hl6o18x","created_at_utc_A":1637278541,"created_at_utc_B":1637277743,"score_A":57,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"guess what's between technician and engineer?  a test engineer","human_ref_B":"If you want to work in the space industry I\u2019d look for \u201ctest engineering\u201d, which kind of bridges the gap with hands-on work that pays an engineer salary.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":798.0,"score_ratio":8.1428571429}
{"post_id":"qx11uv","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"Technician vs Engineer Salary? I would much rather be hands-on at my job, but I dont much enjoy a technician salary lol. Is it possible for a technician in the Astronautical field to make six figures? Are there subfields of engineering which are more hands-on than most?","c_root_id_A":"hl6pufj","c_root_id_B":"hl6id2l","created_at_utc_A":1637278541,"created_at_utc_B":1637275293,"score_A":57,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"guess what's between technician and engineer?  a test engineer","human_ref_B":"It's very possible, but you typically need some combination of: a skill set that is hard to replace, be willing to work long and\/or off hours, willing to work in demanding conditions, and some other things I'm forgetting  Basically you have to have a good answer to this question: why should we pay you more than the average technician, or pay you to do grunt work for an engineer at the pay off engineer?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3248.0,"score_ratio":19.0}
{"post_id":"qx11uv","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"Technician vs Engineer Salary? I would much rather be hands-on at my job, but I dont much enjoy a technician salary lol. Is it possible for a technician in the Astronautical field to make six figures? Are there subfields of engineering which are more hands-on than most?","c_root_id_A":"hl6i2oo","c_root_id_B":"hl6i4ti","created_at_utc_A":1637275171,"created_at_utc_B":1637275196,"score_A":17,"score_B":33,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019ve made well over $100k as a tech in the steel industry. I worked 12 hour days, 7 days a week, for multiple months at a time, multiple times a year. Do not recommend. I would work 16 hour shifts if people called off, or quit. I worked quite a bit of 16 hour shifts.   On a more serious note to answer more along the lines of what you are asking I believe. I made good money with no ot. About $60k which for the area I lived in was very good. I think a lot of it just depends on the area and the field.","human_ref_B":"You might be interested in mechatronics. I used to work with a few engineers who ran all their own tests and built their own prototypes.  Alternatively, you can look into smaller companies that may not be able to afford both an engineer and a tech. The overall Engineer pay might be lower, but you'll be doing what you like, which is often worth a small pay cut.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":25.0,"score_ratio":1.9411764706}
{"post_id":"qx11uv","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"Technician vs Engineer Salary? I would much rather be hands-on at my job, but I dont much enjoy a technician salary lol. Is it possible for a technician in the Astronautical field to make six figures? Are there subfields of engineering which are more hands-on than most?","c_root_id_A":"hl6idvd","c_root_id_B":"hl6id2l","created_at_utc_A":1637275303,"created_at_utc_B":1637275293,"score_A":15,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Our best EE techs make low six figures. Problem is, once they get that high they are doing more supervising and less wrench turing and wire soldering.","human_ref_B":"It's very possible, but you typically need some combination of: a skill set that is hard to replace, be willing to work long and\/or off hours, willing to work in demanding conditions, and some other things I'm forgetting  Basically you have to have a good answer to this question: why should we pay you more than the average technician, or pay you to do grunt work for an engineer at the pay off engineer?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10.0,"score_ratio":5.0}
{"post_id":"qx11uv","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"Technician vs Engineer Salary? I would much rather be hands-on at my job, but I dont much enjoy a technician salary lol. Is it possible for a technician in the Astronautical field to make six figures? Are there subfields of engineering which are more hands-on than most?","c_root_id_A":"hl7fobt","c_root_id_B":"hl6o18x","created_at_utc_A":1637290369,"created_at_utc_B":1637277743,"score_A":11,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Depends where you work.   I'm an electrical engineer for a shipyard.   Some of us crunch numbers at desks and some of us get our hands dirty on the deck plates.  I'm a deck plate guy and make slightly over 100K\/yr.","human_ref_B":"If you want to work in the space industry I\u2019d look for \u201ctest engineering\u201d, which kind of bridges the gap with hands-on work that pays an engineer salary.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":12626.0,"score_ratio":1.5714285714}
{"post_id":"qx11uv","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"Technician vs Engineer Salary? I would much rather be hands-on at my job, but I dont much enjoy a technician salary lol. Is it possible for a technician in the Astronautical field to make six figures? Are there subfields of engineering which are more hands-on than most?","c_root_id_A":"hl7fobt","c_root_id_B":"hl6id2l","created_at_utc_A":1637290369,"created_at_utc_B":1637275293,"score_A":11,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Depends where you work.   I'm an electrical engineer for a shipyard.   Some of us crunch numbers at desks and some of us get our hands dirty on the deck plates.  I'm a deck plate guy and make slightly over 100K\/yr.","human_ref_B":"It's very possible, but you typically need some combination of: a skill set that is hard to replace, be willing to work long and\/or off hours, willing to work in demanding conditions, and some other things I'm forgetting  Basically you have to have a good answer to this question: why should we pay you more than the average technician, or pay you to do grunt work for an engineer at the pay off engineer?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":15076.0,"score_ratio":3.6666666667}
{"post_id":"qx11uv","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"Technician vs Engineer Salary? I would much rather be hands-on at my job, but I dont much enjoy a technician salary lol. Is it possible for a technician in the Astronautical field to make six figures? Are there subfields of engineering which are more hands-on than most?","c_root_id_A":"hl6x2fa","c_root_id_B":"hl7fobt","created_at_utc_A":1637281805,"created_at_utc_B":1637290369,"score_A":2,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"My company both needs and likes engineers like yourself.","human_ref_B":"Depends where you work.   I'm an electrical engineer for a shipyard.   Some of us crunch numbers at desks and some of us get our hands dirty on the deck plates.  I'm a deck plate guy and make slightly over 100K\/yr.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8564.0,"score_ratio":5.5}
{"post_id":"qx11uv","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"Technician vs Engineer Salary? I would much rather be hands-on at my job, but I dont much enjoy a technician salary lol. Is it possible for a technician in the Astronautical field to make six figures? Are there subfields of engineering which are more hands-on than most?","c_root_id_A":"hl6id2l","c_root_id_B":"hl6o18x","created_at_utc_A":1637275293,"created_at_utc_B":1637277743,"score_A":3,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"It's very possible, but you typically need some combination of: a skill set that is hard to replace, be willing to work long and\/or off hours, willing to work in demanding conditions, and some other things I'm forgetting  Basically you have to have a good answer to this question: why should we pay you more than the average technician, or pay you to do grunt work for an engineer at the pay off engineer?","human_ref_B":"If you want to work in the space industry I\u2019d look for \u201ctest engineering\u201d, which kind of bridges the gap with hands-on work that pays an engineer salary.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2450.0,"score_ratio":2.3333333333}
{"post_id":"qx11uv","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"Technician vs Engineer Salary? I would much rather be hands-on at my job, but I dont much enjoy a technician salary lol. Is it possible for a technician in the Astronautical field to make six figures? Are there subfields of engineering which are more hands-on than most?","c_root_id_A":"hl7se2y","c_root_id_B":"hl6id2l","created_at_utc_A":1637296425,"created_at_utc_B":1637275293,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Technician and engineer are such broad terms.  Your pay will depend on employer and the type of work.  Plus pay is regionally dependent, so $100k means wildly different things in California or Iowa.  Here's the big picture.  Find out what you like doing.  No I don't mean \"I want to be a X when I grow up.\". I mean the tasks\/activities you like doing.  Think about what you want to do every minute of every day for the next 30 years.  What activities will you find enjoyable thousands of days in a row?  Thinking like this brings clarity to the whole idea of career.  It's not the title or degree.  It's what you're actually going to do day in, day out, for the rest of your working life.  As for me, I understood this part way through college.  I changed majors a few times until I found something that really fit me well.  And I started picking employers based on what daily activities they can offer me based on their business, processes, products, customers, work force, my position within the company, opportunity for growth and advancement, etc.  I picked my career and employer based on what I'd actually do.  And for that, the reward is I go to work and play all day.  I don't dread going in Monday.  I'm not rushing to leave at 5pm Friday.    Because of my choices, I get to do cool stuff.  Like just this last half year I re-laid out our entire factory using years of production data to set up work cells, capacity needs, etc., plus designed and pulled in an entirely new production cell for the full production of a new customer.  I also designed and built a next generation product for another customer that's going to replace a legacy product our company had previously designed and built for them.  Next year is going to be a ton of work cell optimization, process optimization, a light revamp of our entire product line and some homogenization work (UL driven requirement), and starting some of our own branded next gen stuff, some of which will greatly improve the performance and features, and modernize the tech.  There's some critical market changes happening that we're also planning for and will introduce new products for that change and own that entire market niche.  Then the 5 year plan gets nutty and if done right will change the entire market space entirely, like epic proportions and how companies exist in the market space will never be the same again.  This is all super cool stuff that I get to do simply because I thought about what I'd actually be doing and what project opportunities existed for me.  What does this career path and what does this employer and job position offer me on a daily basis?  Not what is my degree or job title, no, what do I actually do?  And will that bring me joy, fun, and play?  I haven't actually worked in a decade.  I really haven't.  I've just play all day, and for some reason people keep paying me.","human_ref_B":"It's very possible, but you typically need some combination of: a skill set that is hard to replace, be willing to work long and\/or off hours, willing to work in demanding conditions, and some other things I'm forgetting  Basically you have to have a good answer to this question: why should we pay you more than the average technician, or pay you to do grunt work for an engineer at the pay off engineer?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":21132.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"qx11uv","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"Technician vs Engineer Salary? I would much rather be hands-on at my job, but I dont much enjoy a technician salary lol. Is it possible for a technician in the Astronautical field to make six figures? Are there subfields of engineering which are more hands-on than most?","c_root_id_A":"hl7se2y","c_root_id_B":"hl7ia72","created_at_utc_A":1637296425,"created_at_utc_B":1637291557,"score_A":5,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Technician and engineer are such broad terms.  Your pay will depend on employer and the type of work.  Plus pay is regionally dependent, so $100k means wildly different things in California or Iowa.  Here's the big picture.  Find out what you like doing.  No I don't mean \"I want to be a X when I grow up.\". I mean the tasks\/activities you like doing.  Think about what you want to do every minute of every day for the next 30 years.  What activities will you find enjoyable thousands of days in a row?  Thinking like this brings clarity to the whole idea of career.  It's not the title or degree.  It's what you're actually going to do day in, day out, for the rest of your working life.  As for me, I understood this part way through college.  I changed majors a few times until I found something that really fit me well.  And I started picking employers based on what daily activities they can offer me based on their business, processes, products, customers, work force, my position within the company, opportunity for growth and advancement, etc.  I picked my career and employer based on what I'd actually do.  And for that, the reward is I go to work and play all day.  I don't dread going in Monday.  I'm not rushing to leave at 5pm Friday.    Because of my choices, I get to do cool stuff.  Like just this last half year I re-laid out our entire factory using years of production data to set up work cells, capacity needs, etc., plus designed and pulled in an entirely new production cell for the full production of a new customer.  I also designed and built a next generation product for another customer that's going to replace a legacy product our company had previously designed and built for them.  Next year is going to be a ton of work cell optimization, process optimization, a light revamp of our entire product line and some homogenization work (UL driven requirement), and starting some of our own branded next gen stuff, some of which will greatly improve the performance and features, and modernize the tech.  There's some critical market changes happening that we're also planning for and will introduce new products for that change and own that entire market niche.  Then the 5 year plan gets nutty and if done right will change the entire market space entirely, like epic proportions and how companies exist in the market space will never be the same again.  This is all super cool stuff that I get to do simply because I thought about what I'd actually be doing and what project opportunities existed for me.  What does this career path and what does this employer and job position offer me on a daily basis?  Not what is my degree or job title, no, what do I actually do?  And will that bring me joy, fun, and play?  I haven't actually worked in a decade.  I really haven't.  I've just play all day, and for some reason people keep paying me.","human_ref_B":"I am a tooling technician for a oil and gas company and I make 6 figures. I'm unsure about your industry but oil and gas is a high paying field","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4868.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"qx11uv","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"Technician vs Engineer Salary? I would much rather be hands-on at my job, but I dont much enjoy a technician salary lol. Is it possible for a technician in the Astronautical field to make six figures? Are there subfields of engineering which are more hands-on than most?","c_root_id_A":"hl7i774","c_root_id_B":"hl7se2y","created_at_utc_A":1637291518,"created_at_utc_B":1637296425,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Had a friend with mechanical engineering degree in semiconductors - he handed in the degree, became a tech- then did contract technician labor - worked a lot of overtime at global foundries but was doing over $200k a year as a technician.  Those salaries are unheard of for engineers - high skill hourly is what\u2019s up if you want to stack some coin","human_ref_B":"Technician and engineer are such broad terms.  Your pay will depend on employer and the type of work.  Plus pay is regionally dependent, so $100k means wildly different things in California or Iowa.  Here's the big picture.  Find out what you like doing.  No I don't mean \"I want to be a X when I grow up.\". I mean the tasks\/activities you like doing.  Think about what you want to do every minute of every day for the next 30 years.  What activities will you find enjoyable thousands of days in a row?  Thinking like this brings clarity to the whole idea of career.  It's not the title or degree.  It's what you're actually going to do day in, day out, for the rest of your working life.  As for me, I understood this part way through college.  I changed majors a few times until I found something that really fit me well.  And I started picking employers based on what daily activities they can offer me based on their business, processes, products, customers, work force, my position within the company, opportunity for growth and advancement, etc.  I picked my career and employer based on what I'd actually do.  And for that, the reward is I go to work and play all day.  I don't dread going in Monday.  I'm not rushing to leave at 5pm Friday.    Because of my choices, I get to do cool stuff.  Like just this last half year I re-laid out our entire factory using years of production data to set up work cells, capacity needs, etc., plus designed and pulled in an entirely new production cell for the full production of a new customer.  I also designed and built a next generation product for another customer that's going to replace a legacy product our company had previously designed and built for them.  Next year is going to be a ton of work cell optimization, process optimization, a light revamp of our entire product line and some homogenization work (UL driven requirement), and starting some of our own branded next gen stuff, some of which will greatly improve the performance and features, and modernize the tech.  There's some critical market changes happening that we're also planning for and will introduce new products for that change and own that entire market niche.  Then the 5 year plan gets nutty and if done right will change the entire market space entirely, like epic proportions and how companies exist in the market space will never be the same again.  This is all super cool stuff that I get to do simply because I thought about what I'd actually be doing and what project opportunities existed for me.  What does this career path and what does this employer and job position offer me on a daily basis?  Not what is my degree or job title, no, what do I actually do?  And will that bring me joy, fun, and play?  I haven't actually worked in a decade.  I really haven't.  I've just play all day, and for some reason people keep paying me.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4907.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"qx11uv","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"Technician vs Engineer Salary? I would much rather be hands-on at my job, but I dont much enjoy a technician salary lol. Is it possible for a technician in the Astronautical field to make six figures? Are there subfields of engineering which are more hands-on than most?","c_root_id_A":"hl6x2fa","c_root_id_B":"hl7se2y","created_at_utc_A":1637281805,"created_at_utc_B":1637296425,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"My company both needs and likes engineers like yourself.","human_ref_B":"Technician and engineer are such broad terms.  Your pay will depend on employer and the type of work.  Plus pay is regionally dependent, so $100k means wildly different things in California or Iowa.  Here's the big picture.  Find out what you like doing.  No I don't mean \"I want to be a X when I grow up.\". I mean the tasks\/activities you like doing.  Think about what you want to do every minute of every day for the next 30 years.  What activities will you find enjoyable thousands of days in a row?  Thinking like this brings clarity to the whole idea of career.  It's not the title or degree.  It's what you're actually going to do day in, day out, for the rest of your working life.  As for me, I understood this part way through college.  I changed majors a few times until I found something that really fit me well.  And I started picking employers based on what daily activities they can offer me based on their business, processes, products, customers, work force, my position within the company, opportunity for growth and advancement, etc.  I picked my career and employer based on what I'd actually do.  And for that, the reward is I go to work and play all day.  I don't dread going in Monday.  I'm not rushing to leave at 5pm Friday.    Because of my choices, I get to do cool stuff.  Like just this last half year I re-laid out our entire factory using years of production data to set up work cells, capacity needs, etc., plus designed and pulled in an entirely new production cell for the full production of a new customer.  I also designed and built a next generation product for another customer that's going to replace a legacy product our company had previously designed and built for them.  Next year is going to be a ton of work cell optimization, process optimization, a light revamp of our entire product line and some homogenization work (UL driven requirement), and starting some of our own branded next gen stuff, some of which will greatly improve the performance and features, and modernize the tech.  There's some critical market changes happening that we're also planning for and will introduce new products for that change and own that entire market niche.  Then the 5 year plan gets nutty and if done right will change the entire market space entirely, like epic proportions and how companies exist in the market space will never be the same again.  This is all super cool stuff that I get to do simply because I thought about what I'd actually be doing and what project opportunities existed for me.  What does this career path and what does this employer and job position offer me on a daily basis?  Not what is my degree or job title, no, what do I actually do?  And will that bring me joy, fun, and play?  I haven't actually worked in a decade.  I really haven't.  I've just play all day, and for some reason people keep paying me.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":14620.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"qx11uv","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"Technician vs Engineer Salary? I would much rather be hands-on at my job, but I dont much enjoy a technician salary lol. Is it possible for a technician in the Astronautical field to make six figures? Are there subfields of engineering which are more hands-on than most?","c_root_id_A":"hl7se2y","c_root_id_B":"hl7qyrc","created_at_utc_A":1637296425,"created_at_utc_B":1637295675,"score_A":5,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Technician and engineer are such broad terms.  Your pay will depend on employer and the type of work.  Plus pay is regionally dependent, so $100k means wildly different things in California or Iowa.  Here's the big picture.  Find out what you like doing.  No I don't mean \"I want to be a X when I grow up.\". I mean the tasks\/activities you like doing.  Think about what you want to do every minute of every day for the next 30 years.  What activities will you find enjoyable thousands of days in a row?  Thinking like this brings clarity to the whole idea of career.  It's not the title or degree.  It's what you're actually going to do day in, day out, for the rest of your working life.  As for me, I understood this part way through college.  I changed majors a few times until I found something that really fit me well.  And I started picking employers based on what daily activities they can offer me based on their business, processes, products, customers, work force, my position within the company, opportunity for growth and advancement, etc.  I picked my career and employer based on what I'd actually do.  And for that, the reward is I go to work and play all day.  I don't dread going in Monday.  I'm not rushing to leave at 5pm Friday.    Because of my choices, I get to do cool stuff.  Like just this last half year I re-laid out our entire factory using years of production data to set up work cells, capacity needs, etc., plus designed and pulled in an entirely new production cell for the full production of a new customer.  I also designed and built a next generation product for another customer that's going to replace a legacy product our company had previously designed and built for them.  Next year is going to be a ton of work cell optimization, process optimization, a light revamp of our entire product line and some homogenization work (UL driven requirement), and starting some of our own branded next gen stuff, some of which will greatly improve the performance and features, and modernize the tech.  There's some critical market changes happening that we're also planning for and will introduce new products for that change and own that entire market niche.  Then the 5 year plan gets nutty and if done right will change the entire market space entirely, like epic proportions and how companies exist in the market space will never be the same again.  This is all super cool stuff that I get to do simply because I thought about what I'd actually be doing and what project opportunities existed for me.  What does this career path and what does this employer and job position offer me on a daily basis?  Not what is my degree or job title, no, what do I actually do?  And will that bring me joy, fun, and play?  I haven't actually worked in a decade.  I really haven't.  I've just play all day, and for some reason people keep paying me.","human_ref_B":"System engineers are the ones that get to do the applied work for my big company. So usually applied engineers or engineers that are at the customer site or travel to the customer site. Also research and development part of any company.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":750.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"qx11uv","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"Technician vs Engineer Salary? I would much rather be hands-on at my job, but I dont much enjoy a technician salary lol. Is it possible for a technician in the Astronautical field to make six figures? Are there subfields of engineering which are more hands-on than most?","c_root_id_A":"hl7r7yv","c_root_id_B":"hl7se2y","created_at_utc_A":1637295809,"created_at_utc_B":1637296425,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Techs make their money in overtime. Often they can make about what engineers do just not always sustainable.","human_ref_B":"Technician and engineer are such broad terms.  Your pay will depend on employer and the type of work.  Plus pay is regionally dependent, so $100k means wildly different things in California or Iowa.  Here's the big picture.  Find out what you like doing.  No I don't mean \"I want to be a X when I grow up.\". I mean the tasks\/activities you like doing.  Think about what you want to do every minute of every day for the next 30 years.  What activities will you find enjoyable thousands of days in a row?  Thinking like this brings clarity to the whole idea of career.  It's not the title or degree.  It's what you're actually going to do day in, day out, for the rest of your working life.  As for me, I understood this part way through college.  I changed majors a few times until I found something that really fit me well.  And I started picking employers based on what daily activities they can offer me based on their business, processes, products, customers, work force, my position within the company, opportunity for growth and advancement, etc.  I picked my career and employer based on what I'd actually do.  And for that, the reward is I go to work and play all day.  I don't dread going in Monday.  I'm not rushing to leave at 5pm Friday.    Because of my choices, I get to do cool stuff.  Like just this last half year I re-laid out our entire factory using years of production data to set up work cells, capacity needs, etc., plus designed and pulled in an entirely new production cell for the full production of a new customer.  I also designed and built a next generation product for another customer that's going to replace a legacy product our company had previously designed and built for them.  Next year is going to be a ton of work cell optimization, process optimization, a light revamp of our entire product line and some homogenization work (UL driven requirement), and starting some of our own branded next gen stuff, some of which will greatly improve the performance and features, and modernize the tech.  There's some critical market changes happening that we're also planning for and will introduce new products for that change and own that entire market niche.  Then the 5 year plan gets nutty and if done right will change the entire market space entirely, like epic proportions and how companies exist in the market space will never be the same again.  This is all super cool stuff that I get to do simply because I thought about what I'd actually be doing and what project opportunities existed for me.  What does this career path and what does this employer and job position offer me on a daily basis?  Not what is my degree or job title, no, what do I actually do?  And will that bring me joy, fun, and play?  I haven't actually worked in a decade.  I really haven't.  I've just play all day, and for some reason people keep paying me.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":616.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"qx11uv","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"Technician vs Engineer Salary? I would much rather be hands-on at my job, but I dont much enjoy a technician salary lol. Is it possible for a technician in the Astronautical field to make six figures? Are there subfields of engineering which are more hands-on than most?","c_root_id_A":"hl6id2l","c_root_id_B":"hl7ia72","created_at_utc_A":1637275293,"created_at_utc_B":1637291557,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"It's very possible, but you typically need some combination of: a skill set that is hard to replace, be willing to work long and\/or off hours, willing to work in demanding conditions, and some other things I'm forgetting  Basically you have to have a good answer to this question: why should we pay you more than the average technician, or pay you to do grunt work for an engineer at the pay off engineer?","human_ref_B":"I am a tooling technician for a oil and gas company and I make 6 figures. I'm unsure about your industry but oil and gas is a high paying field","labels":0,"seconds_difference":16264.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"qx11uv","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"Technician vs Engineer Salary? I would much rather be hands-on at my job, but I dont much enjoy a technician salary lol. Is it possible for a technician in the Astronautical field to make six figures? Are there subfields of engineering which are more hands-on than most?","c_root_id_A":"hl7ia72","c_root_id_B":"hl7i774","created_at_utc_A":1637291557,"created_at_utc_B":1637291518,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I am a tooling technician for a oil and gas company and I make 6 figures. I'm unsure about your industry but oil and gas is a high paying field","human_ref_B":"Had a friend with mechanical engineering degree in semiconductors - he handed in the degree, became a tech- then did contract technician labor - worked a lot of overtime at global foundries but was doing over $200k a year as a technician.  Those salaries are unheard of for engineers - high skill hourly is what\u2019s up if you want to stack some coin","labels":1,"seconds_difference":39.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"qx11uv","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"Technician vs Engineer Salary? I would much rather be hands-on at my job, but I dont much enjoy a technician salary lol. Is it possible for a technician in the Astronautical field to make six figures? Are there subfields of engineering which are more hands-on than most?","c_root_id_A":"hl7ia72","c_root_id_B":"hl6x2fa","created_at_utc_A":1637291557,"created_at_utc_B":1637281805,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I am a tooling technician for a oil and gas company and I make 6 figures. I'm unsure about your industry but oil and gas is a high paying field","human_ref_B":"My company both needs and likes engineers like yourself.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9752.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"qx11uv","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"Technician vs Engineer Salary? I would much rather be hands-on at my job, but I dont much enjoy a technician salary lol. Is it possible for a technician in the Astronautical field to make six figures? Are there subfields of engineering which are more hands-on than most?","c_root_id_A":"hl7i774","c_root_id_B":"hl6x2fa","created_at_utc_A":1637291518,"created_at_utc_B":1637281805,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Had a friend with mechanical engineering degree in semiconductors - he handed in the degree, became a tech- then did contract technician labor - worked a lot of overtime at global foundries but was doing over $200k a year as a technician.  Those salaries are unheard of for engineers - high skill hourly is what\u2019s up if you want to stack some coin","human_ref_B":"My company both needs and likes engineers like yourself.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9713.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"c9mpyb","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Are there any resources to learn AutoCAD, Catia, Inventor, etc. Online? I already have experience in Solidworks and ANSYS CFD, and I'd like to increase my chances at getting a position as an EIT (I just graduated).","c_root_id_A":"eszzel8","c_root_id_B":"et04h4t","created_at_utc_A":1562370311,"created_at_utc_B":1562372626,"score_A":4,"score_B":22,"human_ref_A":"YouTube videos","human_ref_B":"Also I taught myself solidworks OTJ after being in an inventor shop for a few years. They are all close enough that as long as someone is proficient in one  I don't care as a hiring manager.     Personal opinion but picking up something like VBA scripting or python is more valuable than being proficient in multiple CAD packages.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2315.0,"score_ratio":5.5}
{"post_id":"2w5g3r","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.78,"history":"What material could I use to cover the end of a tube such that water could pass through but not air? I am trying to \"prime\" a tube for a siphon by filling it with water but I need the water to stay inside until one end is submerged in the higher body of water.  Would a fine mesh do this job once it gets wet?","c_root_id_A":"conqw6u","c_root_id_B":"conqya1","created_at_utc_A":1424142154,"created_at_utc_B":1424142257,"score_A":2,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"I don't know what application you are going for, but in my experience it is much easier to start a siphon if you start at the higher body of water.   I have a siphon for cleaning my fish tank that has a very simple bulb \"pump\" and a 1-way valve.  I haven't opened it up but I bet it isn't much more complex than a rubber diaphragm.  It expels air and then water toward the exhaust end while pulling from the intake.","human_ref_B":"There are hydrophobic membranes similar to Goretex fabric that pass air but not water, but I'm not aware of anything that does vice versa. With the right geometry, and relying on the fact that air rises, you should be able to use a membrane to get the work you want done, perhaps something like this.  But more simply, how about a jiggle to prime pump? This is a one way valve that uses physical motion to keep the air out. https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=mwOtorVjyb8","labels":0,"seconds_difference":103.0,"score_ratio":7.5}
{"post_id":"aiqq77","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"What's the best way to negotiate pay when accepting a new job? Guess it depends on what stage of you're career you are at, so if you have any stories from your own life I'd like to hear them","c_root_id_A":"eeqc3ra","c_root_id_B":"eeqgyqj","created_at_utc_A":1548202560,"created_at_utc_B":1548206168,"score_A":6,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"Emphasize that you've considered the \"compensation package\" against other offers. This takes into account PTO, retirement matching, additional benefits, etc... and allows you to negotiate around an abstract number that you've calculated, not just salary. Commute distance can factor into this too.  Taking a job while in a position of financial desperation rarely goes well. I've been in that position myself, it adds an additional layer of stress to negotiations. My usual line is something like, \"If we can make my number work, I'm ready to sign an offer today\", which let's them know I'm serious. If you're not in a desperate position, walk away.","human_ref_B":"Actual story. Company offers me 60k (this was a long time ago). I pointed out to the hiring manager that I left my previous job on 63k.  &#x200B;  They came back with 72k!  &#x200B;  I'd love to have heard the conversation between HR and the manager.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3608.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"9zegog","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Why are light posts and flagpoles, etc, not solidly against the concrete bases, but rather rised up from the base on studs? Wouldn't it be a stronger connection than bending the studs due to the gap?","c_root_id_A":"ea8htke","c_root_id_B":"ea8kexl","created_at_utc_A":1542897704,"created_at_utc_B":1542899600,"score_A":54,"score_B":108,"human_ref_A":"When you put the steel directly on the concrete it tends to trap a small puddle of water against it.  Since galvanizing or even stainless steel only delays oxidation you leave a small air gap under to increase the life span.     And since the bolts can span that small gap since the load in the anchors is overwhelmingly axial they can easily span the gap.","human_ref_B":"In addition to the current anchors the raised studs provide a controlled breakaway shear point so if a car hits them the post breaks and the car decelerates more gently.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1896.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"9zegog","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Why are light posts and flagpoles, etc, not solidly against the concrete bases, but rather rised up from the base on studs? Wouldn't it be a stronger connection than bending the studs due to the gap?","c_root_id_A":"ea8kexl","c_root_id_B":"ea8hr3l","created_at_utc_A":1542899600,"created_at_utc_B":1542897650,"score_A":108,"score_B":33,"human_ref_A":"In addition to the current anchors the raised studs provide a controlled breakaway shear point so if a car hits them the post breaks and the car decelerates more gently.","human_ref_B":"It's difficult to get a perfectly level base. Studs allow the pole to be adjusted in the vertical so that it's not tilted.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1950.0,"score_ratio":3.2727272727}
{"post_id":"9zegog","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Why are light posts and flagpoles, etc, not solidly against the concrete bases, but rather rised up from the base on studs? Wouldn't it be a stronger connection than bending the studs due to the gap?","c_root_id_A":"ea8htke","c_root_id_B":"ea8hr3l","created_at_utc_A":1542897704,"created_at_utc_B":1542897650,"score_A":54,"score_B":33,"human_ref_A":"When you put the steel directly on the concrete it tends to trap a small puddle of water against it.  Since galvanizing or even stainless steel only delays oxidation you leave a small air gap under to increase the life span.     And since the bolts can span that small gap since the load in the anchors is overwhelmingly axial they can easily span the gap.","human_ref_B":"It's difficult to get a perfectly level base. Studs allow the pole to be adjusted in the vertical so that it's not tilted.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":54.0,"score_ratio":1.6363636364}
{"post_id":"t7lg7b","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Yelling at someone in a professional manner I once worked at a place where some of the engineers would get in heated arguments with other engineers over the best way to solve a problem.  &#x200B;  Have you ever had a disagreement with another engineer? What happened?  &#x200B;  Any advice for resolving disagreements on the job?","c_root_id_A":"hzikxuu","c_root_id_B":"hzjjx5m","created_at_utc_A":1646526018,"created_at_utc_B":1646543909,"score_A":115,"score_B":123,"human_ref_A":"Had an engineer in a meeting keep asking me why I wasn\u2019t working on X task. I was working on X task. This went back and forth like 3 times before I had to yell at him that I was working on it because he wasn\u2019t listening. It was more comical than serious, but it did happen.  The only times anyone has actually gotten angry at my workplace were at inanimate objects. Our welding machine not working, ERP going down, punching and shattering an HMI because it was the worst designed POS on the planet, etc..","human_ref_B":"Has any engineer *not* had a disagreement with another engineer? I feel like arguing is part of our job description.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":17891.0,"score_ratio":1.0695652174}
{"post_id":"t7lg7b","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Yelling at someone in a professional manner I once worked at a place where some of the engineers would get in heated arguments with other engineers over the best way to solve a problem.  &#x200B;  Have you ever had a disagreement with another engineer? What happened?  &#x200B;  Any advice for resolving disagreements on the job?","c_root_id_A":"hzjjx5m","c_root_id_B":"hzid9od","created_at_utc_A":1646543909,"created_at_utc_B":1646522417,"score_A":123,"score_B":104,"human_ref_A":"Has any engineer *not* had a disagreement with another engineer? I feel like arguing is part of our job description.","human_ref_B":"I re-read this book every time I want to confront someone on an issue. Spoiler: yelling only happens if I\u2019m not doing it right.  https:\/\/www.shortform.com\/summary\/difficult-conversations-summary-douglas-stone-bruce-patton-sheila-heen","labels":1,"seconds_difference":21492.0,"score_ratio":1.1826923077}
{"post_id":"t7lg7b","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Yelling at someone in a professional manner I once worked at a place where some of the engineers would get in heated arguments with other engineers over the best way to solve a problem.  &#x200B;  Have you ever had a disagreement with another engineer? What happened?  &#x200B;  Any advice for resolving disagreements on the job?","c_root_id_A":"hzikr4o","c_root_id_B":"hzjjx5m","created_at_utc_A":1646525930,"created_at_utc_B":1646543909,"score_A":46,"score_B":123,"human_ref_A":"There is no point in \"winning\" or \"losing\" a technical discussion. If it is kept at a good level everybody wins, because the best possible solution is weighted out and adopted.   Engineers know that against facts there are no arguments. So get to the facts.   Respect others in the argumentation. Listen carefully and weight what is said (especially from elderly more experienced people), even if it contrary to what you think\/believe, as you might also be wrong. It is a exercise of humbleness. Always keep a door open for your partners to \"lose\" the argument with dignity.   In case of doubt I use The Four-Way Test from the Rotary club. I wish someone thought me this in school. Life did, afterwards.","human_ref_B":"Has any engineer *not* had a disagreement with another engineer? I feel like arguing is part of our job description.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":17979.0,"score_ratio":2.6739130435}
{"post_id":"t7lg7b","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Yelling at someone in a professional manner I once worked at a place where some of the engineers would get in heated arguments with other engineers over the best way to solve a problem.  &#x200B;  Have you ever had a disagreement with another engineer? What happened?  &#x200B;  Any advice for resolving disagreements on the job?","c_root_id_A":"hzihjp5","c_root_id_B":"hzjjx5m","created_at_utc_A":1646524402,"created_at_utc_B":1646543909,"score_A":45,"score_B":123,"human_ref_A":"Only once, it didn't come to yelling, and I was in a situation where I just had my own prototype built to prove my idea was more reliable and easier to use than his prototype.  He still disagreed but the 4 manufacturing plants who would use this decided quickly to drop plans to purchase materials for his plan and instead installed my idea.  They're still being used daily in production 8 years later.","human_ref_B":"Has any engineer *not* had a disagreement with another engineer? I feel like arguing is part of our job description.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":19507.0,"score_ratio":2.7333333333}
{"post_id":"t7lg7b","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Yelling at someone in a professional manner I once worked at a place where some of the engineers would get in heated arguments with other engineers over the best way to solve a problem.  &#x200B;  Have you ever had a disagreement with another engineer? What happened?  &#x200B;  Any advice for resolving disagreements on the job?","c_root_id_A":"hzj763m","c_root_id_B":"hzjjx5m","created_at_utc_A":1646537011,"created_at_utc_B":1646543909,"score_A":38,"score_B":123,"human_ref_A":"I don't think there's such a think as \"yelling in a professional manner.\"  If you're in a workplace where you can't have technical debates without yelling, then you need to find a new workplace or learn to be an adult.  The only time yelling would be appropriate would be if there was an immediate safety issue or if someone had done a severe safety violation.  Or at the bar after work complaining about pain-in-the-ass managers or clients.","human_ref_B":"Has any engineer *not* had a disagreement with another engineer? I feel like arguing is part of our job description.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6898.0,"score_ratio":3.2368421053}
{"post_id":"t7lg7b","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Yelling at someone in a professional manner I once worked at a place where some of the engineers would get in heated arguments with other engineers over the best way to solve a problem.  &#x200B;  Have you ever had a disagreement with another engineer? What happened?  &#x200B;  Any advice for resolving disagreements on the job?","c_root_id_A":"hzj34vp","c_root_id_B":"hzjjx5m","created_at_utc_A":1646534937,"created_at_utc_B":1646543909,"score_A":9,"score_B":123,"human_ref_A":"Of course there are heated disagreements. That's part of the job. Part of the wonders of engineering is that things usually either work or they don't. The owner of the project is the owner. You make your point, the owner of the work either takes your input into account or doesn't, and the project either works or it doesn't.   You can escalate to a higher power, or you can register your disagreement and move on. It's considered extremely bad form to disagree and sabotage.   If you are the owner, you are in charge of making your case.   I don't think yelling usually makes it into the professional repertoire. If someone is arguing with one of my design decisions, I usually try to get to the root of their argument or worry. It's usually rooted in a prior experience where they were taken by surprise by a second order effect which they had not initially take into consideration. Determining the details of that prior experience is usually extremely valuable even if not always directly applicable.","human_ref_B":"Has any engineer *not* had a disagreement with another engineer? I feel like arguing is part of our job description.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8972.0,"score_ratio":13.6666666667}
{"post_id":"t7lg7b","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Yelling at someone in a professional manner I once worked at a place where some of the engineers would get in heated arguments with other engineers over the best way to solve a problem.  &#x200B;  Have you ever had a disagreement with another engineer? What happened?  &#x200B;  Any advice for resolving disagreements on the job?","c_root_id_A":"hzjjx5m","c_root_id_B":"hzij1eq","created_at_utc_A":1646543909,"created_at_utc_B":1646525107,"score_A":123,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Has any engineer *not* had a disagreement with another engineer? I feel like arguing is part of our job description.","human_ref_B":"Stop, ask questions to help them think thru their issues, say you'll take them into consideration and would like some time to go over it. Move on and approach it later once you review it. Gather more evidence and organize it so you can refute their concerns by just pointing at a slide and waiting for their brain to catch their mouth.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":18802.0,"score_ratio":30.75}
{"post_id":"t7lg7b","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Yelling at someone in a professional manner I once worked at a place where some of the engineers would get in heated arguments with other engineers over the best way to solve a problem.  &#x200B;  Have you ever had a disagreement with another engineer? What happened?  &#x200B;  Any advice for resolving disagreements on the job?","c_root_id_A":"hzjjx5m","c_root_id_B":"hzjblzi","created_at_utc_A":1646543909,"created_at_utc_B":1646539297,"score_A":123,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Has any engineer *not* had a disagreement with another engineer? I feel like arguing is part of our job description.","human_ref_B":"Over best way to solve a problem?  Well we are engineers...do the DOE let the data speak for itself.  Then argue about what DOE to do and what parameters to test? Let the SME make the call.  More than 1 SME have different opinion? Let their previous experience\/data speak and get the project lead\/champion to make the call.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4612.0,"score_ratio":24.6}
{"post_id":"t7lg7b","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Yelling at someone in a professional manner I once worked at a place where some of the engineers would get in heated arguments with other engineers over the best way to solve a problem.  &#x200B;  Have you ever had a disagreement with another engineer? What happened?  &#x200B;  Any advice for resolving disagreements on the job?","c_root_id_A":"hzjhhqo","c_root_id_B":"hzjjx5m","created_at_utc_A":1646542516,"created_at_utc_B":1646543909,"score_A":3,"score_B":123,"human_ref_A":"Sure.  Just stay respectful and try to see their side.  I found myself arguing with someone who knew more and he made a great point.  I had to process it and was able to get over my tunnel vision to realize he was right.  I had to tell him to stop talking to find a flaw, but just couldn't do it.  It's not politics.  It's not religion.  There is a right answer.  Don't let your ego get in the way of your job.","human_ref_B":"Has any engineer *not* had a disagreement with another engineer? I feel like arguing is part of our job description.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1393.0,"score_ratio":41.0}
{"post_id":"t7lg7b","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Yelling at someone in a professional manner I once worked at a place where some of the engineers would get in heated arguments with other engineers over the best way to solve a problem.  &#x200B;  Have you ever had a disagreement with another engineer? What happened?  &#x200B;  Any advice for resolving disagreements on the job?","c_root_id_A":"hzjjx5m","c_root_id_B":"hzjaasq","created_at_utc_A":1646543909,"created_at_utc_B":1646538622,"score_A":123,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Has any engineer *not* had a disagreement with another engineer? I feel like arguing is part of our job description.","human_ref_B":">Have you ever had a disagreement with another engineer? What happened?\r   \r  Yes, I have, but it's never gotten heated. It's always been a back and forth discussion. If there's ever any frustration, it's usually mutual and more towards the problem than at each other.  >Any advice for resolving disagreements on the job?  I think this depends on whether or not your mindset is where it should be, and that is that it's not personal (or, at least, it shouldn't be). I don't really think \"yelling in a professional manner\" is a thing.  IMO, if you're yelling, you're no longer in control and should remove yourself from the conversation, regardless of your position. Anyone can have bad days and lose control, so if it happens, follow up and apologize and be more mindful next time.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5287.0,"score_ratio":61.5}
{"post_id":"t7lg7b","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Yelling at someone in a professional manner I once worked at a place where some of the engineers would get in heated arguments with other engineers over the best way to solve a problem.  &#x200B;  Have you ever had a disagreement with another engineer? What happened?  &#x200B;  Any advice for resolving disagreements on the job?","c_root_id_A":"hzjjx5m","c_root_id_B":"hzjimx9","created_at_utc_A":1646543909,"created_at_utc_B":1646543171,"score_A":123,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Has any engineer *not* had a disagreement with another engineer? I feel like arguing is part of our job description.","human_ref_B":"If you\u2019re \u201cyelling\u201d you\u2019re not listening well enough. If you\u2019re reasoning is clear, the other person would understand. If they don\u2019t,  breathe deep and reflect on some other options. But yelling never helps, only shows your emotional.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":738.0,"score_ratio":61.5}
{"post_id":"t7lg7b","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Yelling at someone in a professional manner I once worked at a place where some of the engineers would get in heated arguments with other engineers over the best way to solve a problem.  &#x200B;  Have you ever had a disagreement with another engineer? What happened?  &#x200B;  Any advice for resolving disagreements on the job?","c_root_id_A":"hzikxuu","c_root_id_B":"hzid9od","created_at_utc_A":1646526018,"created_at_utc_B":1646522417,"score_A":115,"score_B":104,"human_ref_A":"Had an engineer in a meeting keep asking me why I wasn\u2019t working on X task. I was working on X task. This went back and forth like 3 times before I had to yell at him that I was working on it because he wasn\u2019t listening. It was more comical than serious, but it did happen.  The only times anyone has actually gotten angry at my workplace were at inanimate objects. Our welding machine not working, ERP going down, punching and shattering an HMI because it was the worst designed POS on the planet, etc..","human_ref_B":"I re-read this book every time I want to confront someone on an issue. Spoiler: yelling only happens if I\u2019m not doing it right.  https:\/\/www.shortform.com\/summary\/difficult-conversations-summary-douglas-stone-bruce-patton-sheila-heen","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3601.0,"score_ratio":1.1057692308}
{"post_id":"t7lg7b","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Yelling at someone in a professional manner I once worked at a place where some of the engineers would get in heated arguments with other engineers over the best way to solve a problem.  &#x200B;  Have you ever had a disagreement with another engineer? What happened?  &#x200B;  Any advice for resolving disagreements on the job?","c_root_id_A":"hzikr4o","c_root_id_B":"hzikxuu","created_at_utc_A":1646525930,"created_at_utc_B":1646526018,"score_A":46,"score_B":115,"human_ref_A":"There is no point in \"winning\" or \"losing\" a technical discussion. If it is kept at a good level everybody wins, because the best possible solution is weighted out and adopted.   Engineers know that against facts there are no arguments. So get to the facts.   Respect others in the argumentation. Listen carefully and weight what is said (especially from elderly more experienced people), even if it contrary to what you think\/believe, as you might also be wrong. It is a exercise of humbleness. Always keep a door open for your partners to \"lose\" the argument with dignity.   In case of doubt I use The Four-Way Test from the Rotary club. I wish someone thought me this in school. Life did, afterwards.","human_ref_B":"Had an engineer in a meeting keep asking me why I wasn\u2019t working on X task. I was working on X task. This went back and forth like 3 times before I had to yell at him that I was working on it because he wasn\u2019t listening. It was more comical than serious, but it did happen.  The only times anyone has actually gotten angry at my workplace were at inanimate objects. Our welding machine not working, ERP going down, punching and shattering an HMI because it was the worst designed POS on the planet, etc..","labels":0,"seconds_difference":88.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"t7lg7b","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Yelling at someone in a professional manner I once worked at a place where some of the engineers would get in heated arguments with other engineers over the best way to solve a problem.  &#x200B;  Have you ever had a disagreement with another engineer? What happened?  &#x200B;  Any advice for resolving disagreements on the job?","c_root_id_A":"hzihjp5","c_root_id_B":"hzikxuu","created_at_utc_A":1646524402,"created_at_utc_B":1646526018,"score_A":45,"score_B":115,"human_ref_A":"Only once, it didn't come to yelling, and I was in a situation where I just had my own prototype built to prove my idea was more reliable and easier to use than his prototype.  He still disagreed but the 4 manufacturing plants who would use this decided quickly to drop plans to purchase materials for his plan and instead installed my idea.  They're still being used daily in production 8 years later.","human_ref_B":"Had an engineer in a meeting keep asking me why I wasn\u2019t working on X task. I was working on X task. This went back and forth like 3 times before I had to yell at him that I was working on it because he wasn\u2019t listening. It was more comical than serious, but it did happen.  The only times anyone has actually gotten angry at my workplace were at inanimate objects. Our welding machine not working, ERP going down, punching and shattering an HMI because it was the worst designed POS on the planet, etc..","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1616.0,"score_ratio":2.5555555556}
{"post_id":"t7lg7b","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Yelling at someone in a professional manner I once worked at a place where some of the engineers would get in heated arguments with other engineers over the best way to solve a problem.  &#x200B;  Have you ever had a disagreement with another engineer? What happened?  &#x200B;  Any advice for resolving disagreements on the job?","c_root_id_A":"hzikxuu","c_root_id_B":"hzij1eq","created_at_utc_A":1646526018,"created_at_utc_B":1646525107,"score_A":115,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Had an engineer in a meeting keep asking me why I wasn\u2019t working on X task. I was working on X task. This went back and forth like 3 times before I had to yell at him that I was working on it because he wasn\u2019t listening. It was more comical than serious, but it did happen.  The only times anyone has actually gotten angry at my workplace were at inanimate objects. Our welding machine not working, ERP going down, punching and shattering an HMI because it was the worst designed POS on the planet, etc..","human_ref_B":"Stop, ask questions to help them think thru their issues, say you'll take them into consideration and would like some time to go over it. Move on and approach it later once you review it. Gather more evidence and organize it so you can refute their concerns by just pointing at a slide and waiting for their brain to catch their mouth.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":911.0,"score_ratio":28.75}
{"post_id":"t7lg7b","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Yelling at someone in a professional manner I once worked at a place where some of the engineers would get in heated arguments with other engineers over the best way to solve a problem.  &#x200B;  Have you ever had a disagreement with another engineer? What happened?  &#x200B;  Any advice for resolving disagreements on the job?","c_root_id_A":"hzjsxo6","c_root_id_B":"hzikr4o","created_at_utc_A":1646549639,"created_at_utc_B":1646525930,"score_A":52,"score_B":46,"human_ref_A":"Professional disagreements do not need to turn into interpersonal disputes; that's pretty childish and unprofessional TBH  1. Identify the decision maker (this is usually pretty easy, often times an engineering manager) 2. State your opinion 3. Acknowledge the dissenting opinion; maybe offer a rebuttal 4. Place the burden on the decision maker to decide 5. Once the decision maker makes a decision, it becomes part of the plan of record and the debate is over. Responsibility rests on the decision maker. 6. Execute the plan of record 7. \\*If a circumstance changes\\* (to the point that it could reasonably change the original decision), bring up the decision again to the decision maker with a clear list of changes to circumstance and any other pertinent updates","human_ref_B":"There is no point in \"winning\" or \"losing\" a technical discussion. If it is kept at a good level everybody wins, because the best possible solution is weighted out and adopted.   Engineers know that against facts there are no arguments. So get to the facts.   Respect others in the argumentation. Listen carefully and weight what is said (especially from elderly more experienced people), even if it contrary to what you think\/believe, as you might also be wrong. It is a exercise of humbleness. Always keep a door open for your partners to \"lose\" the argument with dignity.   In case of doubt I use The Four-Way Test from the Rotary club. I wish someone thought me this in school. Life did, afterwards.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":23709.0,"score_ratio":1.1304347826}
{"post_id":"t7lg7b","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Yelling at someone in a professional manner I once worked at a place where some of the engineers would get in heated arguments with other engineers over the best way to solve a problem.  &#x200B;  Have you ever had a disagreement with another engineer? What happened?  &#x200B;  Any advice for resolving disagreements on the job?","c_root_id_A":"hzjsxo6","c_root_id_B":"hzihjp5","created_at_utc_A":1646549639,"created_at_utc_B":1646524402,"score_A":52,"score_B":45,"human_ref_A":"Professional disagreements do not need to turn into interpersonal disputes; that's pretty childish and unprofessional TBH  1. Identify the decision maker (this is usually pretty easy, often times an engineering manager) 2. State your opinion 3. Acknowledge the dissenting opinion; maybe offer a rebuttal 4. Place the burden on the decision maker to decide 5. Once the decision maker makes a decision, it becomes part of the plan of record and the debate is over. Responsibility rests on the decision maker. 6. Execute the plan of record 7. \\*If a circumstance changes\\* (to the point that it could reasonably change the original decision), bring up the decision again to the decision maker with a clear list of changes to circumstance and any other pertinent updates","human_ref_B":"Only once, it didn't come to yelling, and I was in a situation where I just had my own prototype built to prove my idea was more reliable and easier to use than his prototype.  He still disagreed but the 4 manufacturing plants who would use this decided quickly to drop plans to purchase materials for his plan and instead installed my idea.  They're still being used daily in production 8 years later.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":25237.0,"score_ratio":1.1555555556}
{"post_id":"t7lg7b","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Yelling at someone in a professional manner I once worked at a place where some of the engineers would get in heated arguments with other engineers over the best way to solve a problem.  &#x200B;  Have you ever had a disagreement with another engineer? What happened?  &#x200B;  Any advice for resolving disagreements on the job?","c_root_id_A":"hzj763m","c_root_id_B":"hzjsxo6","created_at_utc_A":1646537011,"created_at_utc_B":1646549639,"score_A":38,"score_B":52,"human_ref_A":"I don't think there's such a think as \"yelling in a professional manner.\"  If you're in a workplace where you can't have technical debates without yelling, then you need to find a new workplace or learn to be an adult.  The only time yelling would be appropriate would be if there was an immediate safety issue or if someone had done a severe safety violation.  Or at the bar after work complaining about pain-in-the-ass managers or clients.","human_ref_B":"Professional disagreements do not need to turn into interpersonal disputes; that's pretty childish and unprofessional TBH  1. Identify the decision maker (this is usually pretty easy, often times an engineering manager) 2. State your opinion 3. Acknowledge the dissenting opinion; maybe offer a rebuttal 4. Place the burden on the decision maker to decide 5. Once the decision maker makes a decision, it becomes part of the plan of record and the debate is over. Responsibility rests on the decision maker. 6. Execute the plan of record 7. \\*If a circumstance changes\\* (to the point that it could reasonably change the original decision), bring up the decision again to the decision maker with a clear list of changes to circumstance and any other pertinent updates","labels":0,"seconds_difference":12628.0,"score_ratio":1.3684210526}
{"post_id":"t7lg7b","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Yelling at someone in a professional manner I once worked at a place where some of the engineers would get in heated arguments with other engineers over the best way to solve a problem.  &#x200B;  Have you ever had a disagreement with another engineer? What happened?  &#x200B;  Any advice for resolving disagreements on the job?","c_root_id_A":"hzjsxo6","c_root_id_B":"hzj34vp","created_at_utc_A":1646549639,"created_at_utc_B":1646534937,"score_A":52,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Professional disagreements do not need to turn into interpersonal disputes; that's pretty childish and unprofessional TBH  1. Identify the decision maker (this is usually pretty easy, often times an engineering manager) 2. State your opinion 3. Acknowledge the dissenting opinion; maybe offer a rebuttal 4. Place the burden on the decision maker to decide 5. Once the decision maker makes a decision, it becomes part of the plan of record and the debate is over. Responsibility rests on the decision maker. 6. Execute the plan of record 7. \\*If a circumstance changes\\* (to the point that it could reasonably change the original decision), bring up the decision again to the decision maker with a clear list of changes to circumstance and any other pertinent updates","human_ref_B":"Of course there are heated disagreements. That's part of the job. Part of the wonders of engineering is that things usually either work or they don't. The owner of the project is the owner. You make your point, the owner of the work either takes your input into account or doesn't, and the project either works or it doesn't.   You can escalate to a higher power, or you can register your disagreement and move on. It's considered extremely bad form to disagree and sabotage.   If you are the owner, you are in charge of making your case.   I don't think yelling usually makes it into the professional repertoire. If someone is arguing with one of my design decisions, I usually try to get to the root of their argument or worry. It's usually rooted in a prior experience where they were taken by surprise by a second order effect which they had not initially take into consideration. Determining the details of that prior experience is usually extremely valuable even if not always directly applicable.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":14702.0,"score_ratio":5.7777777778}
{"post_id":"t7lg7b","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Yelling at someone in a professional manner I once worked at a place where some of the engineers would get in heated arguments with other engineers over the best way to solve a problem.  &#x200B;  Have you ever had a disagreement with another engineer? What happened?  &#x200B;  Any advice for resolving disagreements on the job?","c_root_id_A":"hzij1eq","c_root_id_B":"hzjsxo6","created_at_utc_A":1646525107,"created_at_utc_B":1646549639,"score_A":4,"score_B":52,"human_ref_A":"Stop, ask questions to help them think thru their issues, say you'll take them into consideration and would like some time to go over it. Move on and approach it later once you review it. Gather more evidence and organize it so you can refute their concerns by just pointing at a slide and waiting for their brain to catch their mouth.","human_ref_B":"Professional disagreements do not need to turn into interpersonal disputes; that's pretty childish and unprofessional TBH  1. Identify the decision maker (this is usually pretty easy, often times an engineering manager) 2. State your opinion 3. Acknowledge the dissenting opinion; maybe offer a rebuttal 4. Place the burden on the decision maker to decide 5. Once the decision maker makes a decision, it becomes part of the plan of record and the debate is over. Responsibility rests on the decision maker. 6. Execute the plan of record 7. \\*If a circumstance changes\\* (to the point that it could reasonably change the original decision), bring up the decision again to the decision maker with a clear list of changes to circumstance and any other pertinent updates","labels":0,"seconds_difference":24532.0,"score_ratio":13.0}
{"post_id":"t7lg7b","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Yelling at someone in a professional manner I once worked at a place where some of the engineers would get in heated arguments with other engineers over the best way to solve a problem.  &#x200B;  Have you ever had a disagreement with another engineer? What happened?  &#x200B;  Any advice for resolving disagreements on the job?","c_root_id_A":"hzjsxo6","c_root_id_B":"hzjblzi","created_at_utc_A":1646549639,"created_at_utc_B":1646539297,"score_A":52,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Professional disagreements do not need to turn into interpersonal disputes; that's pretty childish and unprofessional TBH  1. Identify the decision maker (this is usually pretty easy, often times an engineering manager) 2. State your opinion 3. Acknowledge the dissenting opinion; maybe offer a rebuttal 4. Place the burden on the decision maker to decide 5. Once the decision maker makes a decision, it becomes part of the plan of record and the debate is over. Responsibility rests on the decision maker. 6. Execute the plan of record 7. \\*If a circumstance changes\\* (to the point that it could reasonably change the original decision), bring up the decision again to the decision maker with a clear list of changes to circumstance and any other pertinent updates","human_ref_B":"Over best way to solve a problem?  Well we are engineers...do the DOE let the data speak for itself.  Then argue about what DOE to do and what parameters to test? Let the SME make the call.  More than 1 SME have different opinion? Let their previous experience\/data speak and get the project lead\/champion to make the call.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10342.0,"score_ratio":10.4}
{"post_id":"t7lg7b","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Yelling at someone in a professional manner I once worked at a place where some of the engineers would get in heated arguments with other engineers over the best way to solve a problem.  &#x200B;  Have you ever had a disagreement with another engineer? What happened?  &#x200B;  Any advice for resolving disagreements on the job?","c_root_id_A":"hzjsxo6","c_root_id_B":"hzjhhqo","created_at_utc_A":1646549639,"created_at_utc_B":1646542516,"score_A":52,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Professional disagreements do not need to turn into interpersonal disputes; that's pretty childish and unprofessional TBH  1. Identify the decision maker (this is usually pretty easy, often times an engineering manager) 2. State your opinion 3. Acknowledge the dissenting opinion; maybe offer a rebuttal 4. Place the burden on the decision maker to decide 5. Once the decision maker makes a decision, it becomes part of the plan of record and the debate is over. Responsibility rests on the decision maker. 6. Execute the plan of record 7. \\*If a circumstance changes\\* (to the point that it could reasonably change the original decision), bring up the decision again to the decision maker with a clear list of changes to circumstance and any other pertinent updates","human_ref_B":"Sure.  Just stay respectful and try to see their side.  I found myself arguing with someone who knew more and he made a great point.  I had to process it and was able to get over my tunnel vision to realize he was right.  I had to tell him to stop talking to find a flaw, but just couldn't do it.  It's not politics.  It's not religion.  There is a right answer.  Don't let your ego get in the way of your job.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7123.0,"score_ratio":17.3333333333}
{"post_id":"t7lg7b","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Yelling at someone in a professional manner I once worked at a place where some of the engineers would get in heated arguments with other engineers over the best way to solve a problem.  &#x200B;  Have you ever had a disagreement with another engineer? What happened?  &#x200B;  Any advice for resolving disagreements on the job?","c_root_id_A":"hzjsxo6","c_root_id_B":"hzjaasq","created_at_utc_A":1646549639,"created_at_utc_B":1646538622,"score_A":52,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Professional disagreements do not need to turn into interpersonal disputes; that's pretty childish and unprofessional TBH  1. Identify the decision maker (this is usually pretty easy, often times an engineering manager) 2. State your opinion 3. Acknowledge the dissenting opinion; maybe offer a rebuttal 4. Place the burden on the decision maker to decide 5. Once the decision maker makes a decision, it becomes part of the plan of record and the debate is over. Responsibility rests on the decision maker. 6. Execute the plan of record 7. \\*If a circumstance changes\\* (to the point that it could reasonably change the original decision), bring up the decision again to the decision maker with a clear list of changes to circumstance and any other pertinent updates","human_ref_B":">Have you ever had a disagreement with another engineer? What happened?\r   \r  Yes, I have, but it's never gotten heated. It's always been a back and forth discussion. If there's ever any frustration, it's usually mutual and more towards the problem than at each other.  >Any advice for resolving disagreements on the job?  I think this depends on whether or not your mindset is where it should be, and that is that it's not personal (or, at least, it shouldn't be). I don't really think \"yelling in a professional manner\" is a thing.  IMO, if you're yelling, you're no longer in control and should remove yourself from the conversation, regardless of your position. Anyone can have bad days and lose control, so if it happens, follow up and apologize and be more mindful next time.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":11017.0,"score_ratio":26.0}
{"post_id":"t7lg7b","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Yelling at someone in a professional manner I once worked at a place where some of the engineers would get in heated arguments with other engineers over the best way to solve a problem.  &#x200B;  Have you ever had a disagreement with another engineer? What happened?  &#x200B;  Any advice for resolving disagreements on the job?","c_root_id_A":"hzjimx9","c_root_id_B":"hzjsxo6","created_at_utc_A":1646543171,"created_at_utc_B":1646549639,"score_A":2,"score_B":52,"human_ref_A":"If you\u2019re \u201cyelling\u201d you\u2019re not listening well enough. If you\u2019re reasoning is clear, the other person would understand. If they don\u2019t,  breathe deep and reflect on some other options. But yelling never helps, only shows your emotional.","human_ref_B":"Professional disagreements do not need to turn into interpersonal disputes; that's pretty childish and unprofessional TBH  1. Identify the decision maker (this is usually pretty easy, often times an engineering manager) 2. State your opinion 3. Acknowledge the dissenting opinion; maybe offer a rebuttal 4. Place the burden on the decision maker to decide 5. Once the decision maker makes a decision, it becomes part of the plan of record and the debate is over. Responsibility rests on the decision maker. 6. Execute the plan of record 7. \\*If a circumstance changes\\* (to the point that it could reasonably change the original decision), bring up the decision again to the decision maker with a clear list of changes to circumstance and any other pertinent updates","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6468.0,"score_ratio":26.0}
{"post_id":"t7lg7b","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Yelling at someone in a professional manner I once worked at a place where some of the engineers would get in heated arguments with other engineers over the best way to solve a problem.  &#x200B;  Have you ever had a disagreement with another engineer? What happened?  &#x200B;  Any advice for resolving disagreements on the job?","c_root_id_A":"hzikr4o","c_root_id_B":"hzihjp5","created_at_utc_A":1646525930,"created_at_utc_B":1646524402,"score_A":46,"score_B":45,"human_ref_A":"There is no point in \"winning\" or \"losing\" a technical discussion. If it is kept at a good level everybody wins, because the best possible solution is weighted out and adopted.   Engineers know that against facts there are no arguments. So get to the facts.   Respect others in the argumentation. Listen carefully and weight what is said (especially from elderly more experienced people), even if it contrary to what you think\/believe, as you might also be wrong. It is a exercise of humbleness. Always keep a door open for your partners to \"lose\" the argument with dignity.   In case of doubt I use The Four-Way Test from the Rotary club. I wish someone thought me this in school. Life did, afterwards.","human_ref_B":"Only once, it didn't come to yelling, and I was in a situation where I just had my own prototype built to prove my idea was more reliable and easier to use than his prototype.  He still disagreed but the 4 manufacturing plants who would use this decided quickly to drop plans to purchase materials for his plan and instead installed my idea.  They're still being used daily in production 8 years later.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1528.0,"score_ratio":1.0222222222}
{"post_id":"t7lg7b","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Yelling at someone in a professional manner I once worked at a place where some of the engineers would get in heated arguments with other engineers over the best way to solve a problem.  &#x200B;  Have you ever had a disagreement with another engineer? What happened?  &#x200B;  Any advice for resolving disagreements on the job?","c_root_id_A":"hzikr4o","c_root_id_B":"hzij1eq","created_at_utc_A":1646525930,"created_at_utc_B":1646525107,"score_A":46,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"There is no point in \"winning\" or \"losing\" a technical discussion. If it is kept at a good level everybody wins, because the best possible solution is weighted out and adopted.   Engineers know that against facts there are no arguments. So get to the facts.   Respect others in the argumentation. Listen carefully and weight what is said (especially from elderly more experienced people), even if it contrary to what you think\/believe, as you might also be wrong. It is a exercise of humbleness. Always keep a door open for your partners to \"lose\" the argument with dignity.   In case of doubt I use The Four-Way Test from the Rotary club. I wish someone thought me this in school. Life did, afterwards.","human_ref_B":"Stop, ask questions to help them think thru their issues, say you'll take them into consideration and would like some time to go over it. Move on and approach it later once you review it. Gather more evidence and organize it so you can refute their concerns by just pointing at a slide and waiting for their brain to catch their mouth.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":823.0,"score_ratio":11.5}
{"post_id":"t7lg7b","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Yelling at someone in a professional manner I once worked at a place where some of the engineers would get in heated arguments with other engineers over the best way to solve a problem.  &#x200B;  Have you ever had a disagreement with another engineer? What happened?  &#x200B;  Any advice for resolving disagreements on the job?","c_root_id_A":"hzj763m","c_root_id_B":"hzj34vp","created_at_utc_A":1646537011,"created_at_utc_B":1646534937,"score_A":38,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"I don't think there's such a think as \"yelling in a professional manner.\"  If you're in a workplace where you can't have technical debates without yelling, then you need to find a new workplace or learn to be an adult.  The only time yelling would be appropriate would be if there was an immediate safety issue or if someone had done a severe safety violation.  Or at the bar after work complaining about pain-in-the-ass managers or clients.","human_ref_B":"Of course there are heated disagreements. That's part of the job. Part of the wonders of engineering is that things usually either work or they don't. The owner of the project is the owner. You make your point, the owner of the work either takes your input into account or doesn't, and the project either works or it doesn't.   You can escalate to a higher power, or you can register your disagreement and move on. It's considered extremely bad form to disagree and sabotage.   If you are the owner, you are in charge of making your case.   I don't think yelling usually makes it into the professional repertoire. If someone is arguing with one of my design decisions, I usually try to get to the root of their argument or worry. It's usually rooted in a prior experience where they were taken by surprise by a second order effect which they had not initially take into consideration. Determining the details of that prior experience is usually extremely valuable even if not always directly applicable.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2074.0,"score_ratio":4.2222222222}
{"post_id":"t7lg7b","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Yelling at someone in a professional manner I once worked at a place where some of the engineers would get in heated arguments with other engineers over the best way to solve a problem.  &#x200B;  Have you ever had a disagreement with another engineer? What happened?  &#x200B;  Any advice for resolving disagreements on the job?","c_root_id_A":"hzj763m","c_root_id_B":"hzij1eq","created_at_utc_A":1646537011,"created_at_utc_B":1646525107,"score_A":38,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I don't think there's such a think as \"yelling in a professional manner.\"  If you're in a workplace where you can't have technical debates without yelling, then you need to find a new workplace or learn to be an adult.  The only time yelling would be appropriate would be if there was an immediate safety issue or if someone had done a severe safety violation.  Or at the bar after work complaining about pain-in-the-ass managers or clients.","human_ref_B":"Stop, ask questions to help them think thru their issues, say you'll take them into consideration and would like some time to go over it. Move on and approach it later once you review it. Gather more evidence and organize it so you can refute their concerns by just pointing at a slide and waiting for their brain to catch their mouth.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":11904.0,"score_ratio":9.5}
{"post_id":"t7lg7b","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Yelling at someone in a professional manner I once worked at a place where some of the engineers would get in heated arguments with other engineers over the best way to solve a problem.  &#x200B;  Have you ever had a disagreement with another engineer? What happened?  &#x200B;  Any advice for resolving disagreements on the job?","c_root_id_A":"hzj34vp","c_root_id_B":"hzij1eq","created_at_utc_A":1646534937,"created_at_utc_B":1646525107,"score_A":9,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Of course there are heated disagreements. That's part of the job. Part of the wonders of engineering is that things usually either work or they don't. The owner of the project is the owner. You make your point, the owner of the work either takes your input into account or doesn't, and the project either works or it doesn't.   You can escalate to a higher power, or you can register your disagreement and move on. It's considered extremely bad form to disagree and sabotage.   If you are the owner, you are in charge of making your case.   I don't think yelling usually makes it into the professional repertoire. If someone is arguing with one of my design decisions, I usually try to get to the root of their argument or worry. It's usually rooted in a prior experience where they were taken by surprise by a second order effect which they had not initially take into consideration. Determining the details of that prior experience is usually extremely valuable even if not always directly applicable.","human_ref_B":"Stop, ask questions to help them think thru their issues, say you'll take them into consideration and would like some time to go over it. Move on and approach it later once you review it. Gather more evidence and organize it so you can refute their concerns by just pointing at a slide and waiting for their brain to catch their mouth.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9830.0,"score_ratio":2.25}
{"post_id":"t7lg7b","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Yelling at someone in a professional manner I once worked at a place where some of the engineers would get in heated arguments with other engineers over the best way to solve a problem.  &#x200B;  Have you ever had a disagreement with another engineer? What happened?  &#x200B;  Any advice for resolving disagreements on the job?","c_root_id_A":"hzjblzi","c_root_id_B":"hzij1eq","created_at_utc_A":1646539297,"created_at_utc_B":1646525107,"score_A":5,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Over best way to solve a problem?  Well we are engineers...do the DOE let the data speak for itself.  Then argue about what DOE to do and what parameters to test? Let the SME make the call.  More than 1 SME have different opinion? Let their previous experience\/data speak and get the project lead\/champion to make the call.","human_ref_B":"Stop, ask questions to help them think thru their issues, say you'll take them into consideration and would like some time to go over it. Move on and approach it later once you review it. Gather more evidence and organize it so you can refute their concerns by just pointing at a slide and waiting for their brain to catch their mouth.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":14190.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"t7lg7b","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Yelling at someone in a professional manner I once worked at a place where some of the engineers would get in heated arguments with other engineers over the best way to solve a problem.  &#x200B;  Have you ever had a disagreement with another engineer? What happened?  &#x200B;  Any advice for resolving disagreements on the job?","c_root_id_A":"hzjblzi","c_root_id_B":"hzjaasq","created_at_utc_A":1646539297,"created_at_utc_B":1646538622,"score_A":5,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Over best way to solve a problem?  Well we are engineers...do the DOE let the data speak for itself.  Then argue about what DOE to do and what parameters to test? Let the SME make the call.  More than 1 SME have different opinion? Let their previous experience\/data speak and get the project lead\/champion to make the call.","human_ref_B":">Have you ever had a disagreement with another engineer? What happened?\r   \r  Yes, I have, but it's never gotten heated. It's always been a back and forth discussion. If there's ever any frustration, it's usually mutual and more towards the problem than at each other.  >Any advice for resolving disagreements on the job?  I think this depends on whether or not your mindset is where it should be, and that is that it's not personal (or, at least, it shouldn't be). I don't really think \"yelling in a professional manner\" is a thing.  IMO, if you're yelling, you're no longer in control and should remove yourself from the conversation, regardless of your position. Anyone can have bad days and lose control, so if it happens, follow up and apologize and be more mindful next time.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":675.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"t7lg7b","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Yelling at someone in a professional manner I once worked at a place where some of the engineers would get in heated arguments with other engineers over the best way to solve a problem.  &#x200B;  Have you ever had a disagreement with another engineer? What happened?  &#x200B;  Any advice for resolving disagreements on the job?","c_root_id_A":"hzjhhqo","c_root_id_B":"hzjaasq","created_at_utc_A":1646542516,"created_at_utc_B":1646538622,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Sure.  Just stay respectful and try to see their side.  I found myself arguing with someone who knew more and he made a great point.  I had to process it and was able to get over my tunnel vision to realize he was right.  I had to tell him to stop talking to find a flaw, but just couldn't do it.  It's not politics.  It's not religion.  There is a right answer.  Don't let your ego get in the way of your job.","human_ref_B":">Have you ever had a disagreement with another engineer? What happened?\r   \r  Yes, I have, but it's never gotten heated. It's always been a back and forth discussion. If there's ever any frustration, it's usually mutual and more towards the problem than at each other.  >Any advice for resolving disagreements on the job?  I think this depends on whether or not your mindset is where it should be, and that is that it's not personal (or, at least, it shouldn't be). I don't really think \"yelling in a professional manner\" is a thing.  IMO, if you're yelling, you're no longer in control and should remove yourself from the conversation, regardless of your position. Anyone can have bad days and lose control, so if it happens, follow up and apologize and be more mindful next time.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3894.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"3yjjrx","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"Just how impressive was Burt Munro's fastest Indian knowing that he was a man who worked in his garage with no precision tools?","c_root_id_A":"cye08np","c_root_id_B":"cydzowd","created_at_utc_A":1451326805,"created_at_utc_B":1451325949,"score_A":43,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"I'll answer as a car guy, not an engineer. My dad, his friends, my brother and I have built street rods since the '60's for my dad, and the 80's for me. Salt flat guys are a unique subset of the speed guys. You'll find guys with zero budget and guys with unlimited money. I've seen some really shitty work from both, and some beautiful work too.   Early guys running the flats used whatever they had, because mostly it wasn't *invented* yet. Guys took drop tanks from fighter planes, because that was the most aerodynamic thing they knew, and they were cheap. They used what they had, and made it work.   The other secret about boniville (I'm no expert, only second hand knowledge so take it for what it's worth) there's a million different records, simply because there's only one person whe ever ran it. Want to have the worlds record for a diesel VW rabbit? Want to be the first guy to run a 2300cc truck?  Just run it. Chances are very few people have run some of the more unusual brackets.    Knowing car guys are incredibly resourceful, given the tools they have. I have a 1935 ford, with a mustang front end, jaguar rear end, 351 Windsor block, and the most complicated tool I have is a Mig welder. You get things done with what you have. What's impressive is, he kept at it for as many years as he did, tweaking and tinkering.","human_ref_B":"In lots of cases, having time makes up for not having the ideal tools.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":856.0,"score_ratio":4.7777777778}
{"post_id":"9yqw0z","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"If you are on call, what is your arrangement with your company? Do you receive extra benefits when on call or when you are called off hours?","c_root_id_A":"ea3ncq1","c_root_id_B":"ea3pcbg","created_at_utc_A":1542723011,"created_at_utc_B":1542724849,"score_A":22,"score_B":28,"human_ref_A":"Part of the job.  No additional pay, no comp time.","human_ref_B":"Best I had was 1% of your monthly salary for every day on call.  Worst was \"it is seen as part of your duties\"","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1838.0,"score_ratio":1.2727272727}
{"post_id":"9yqw0z","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"If you are on call, what is your arrangement with your company? Do you receive extra benefits when on call or when you are called off hours?","c_root_id_A":"ea3pcbg","c_root_id_B":"ea3o5g0","created_at_utc_A":1542724849,"created_at_utc_B":1542723769,"score_A":28,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"Best I had was 1% of your monthly salary for every day on call.  Worst was \"it is seen as part of your duties\"","human_ref_B":"I'm on call but work remotely to solve the issue. Most issues are about 30 minutes to 1 hour. No direct compensation but if you have a late night call from the help desk, it is okay to show up to the office a little but later","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1080.0,"score_ratio":2.3333333333}
{"post_id":"9yqw0z","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"If you are on call, what is your arrangement with your company? Do you receive extra benefits when on call or when you are called off hours?","c_root_id_A":"ea3y60b","c_root_id_B":"ea3s1qw","created_at_utc_A":1542732004,"created_at_utc_B":1542727109,"score_A":7,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"If you are asked to be on call and it isn't specifically mentioned in your contract, in job negotiations, or isn't inherent to your job, then you should view it as something you aren't currently paid to do, and negotiate accordingly.   Most in the thread have mentioned the benefits they received because it's normal to get paid extra if you are going to be on call.","human_ref_B":"We're on call 1 in 6 weekends. You get \u00a3100 retainer, and then 2 hours at the applicable overtime rate (1.5x for saturday, 2x for sunday) aswell as that time you work, which doesn't seem too bad looking at some comments here","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4895.0,"score_ratio":1.1666666667}
{"post_id":"9yqw0z","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"If you are on call, what is your arrangement with your company? Do you receive extra benefits when on call or when you are called off hours?","c_root_id_A":"ea3y60b","c_root_id_B":"ea3rkfq","created_at_utc_A":1542732004,"created_at_utc_B":1542726707,"score_A":7,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"If you are asked to be on call and it isn't specifically mentioned in your contract, in job negotiations, or isn't inherent to your job, then you should view it as something you aren't currently paid to do, and negotiate accordingly.   Most in the thread have mentioned the benefits they received because it's normal to get paid extra if you are going to be on call.","human_ref_B":"I work in O&G as Controls. My pay is hourly. I get 1.5x for OT.  On call rotation hits me about one week per month.  We are expected to be in-field within one hour unless the problem can be solved remotely.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5297.0,"score_ratio":2.3333333333}
{"post_id":"9yqw0z","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"If you are on call, what is your arrangement with your company? Do you receive extra benefits when on call or when you are called off hours?","c_root_id_A":"ea3s1qw","c_root_id_B":"ea3u47u","created_at_utc_A":1542727109,"created_at_utc_B":1542728803,"score_A":6,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"We're on call 1 in 6 weekends. You get \u00a3100 retainer, and then 2 hours at the applicable overtime rate (1.5x for saturday, 2x for sunday) aswell as that time you work, which doesn't seem too bad looking at some comments here","human_ref_B":"We had two people on call every night and weekend. They got extra pay just for being on call, plus $75 for every call they took.  The position was supporting mission critical hospital software.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1694.0,"score_ratio":1.1666666667}
{"post_id":"9yqw0z","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"If you are on call, what is your arrangement with your company? Do you receive extra benefits when on call or when you are called off hours?","c_root_id_A":"ea422j1","c_root_id_B":"ea3s1qw","created_at_utc_A":1542734956,"created_at_utc_B":1542727109,"score_A":7,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"We log all calls after hours, or any work that takes longer than 40 hours per week. Those are \"banked\" and go into a comp time bank that is kept via an honor system. Those hours can be used to take a half day, full day, or full week off without hitting sick time or any other PTO. I use mine to basically be \"on call\" for the entire month of Dec, only having to work if there is an issue, as well as an extra week of vacation a year.","human_ref_B":"We're on call 1 in 6 weekends. You get \u00a3100 retainer, and then 2 hours at the applicable overtime rate (1.5x for saturday, 2x for sunday) aswell as that time you work, which doesn't seem too bad looking at some comments here","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7847.0,"score_ratio":1.1666666667}
{"post_id":"9yqw0z","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"If you are on call, what is your arrangement with your company? Do you receive extra benefits when on call or when you are called off hours?","c_root_id_A":"ea3s1qw","c_root_id_B":"ea3rkfq","created_at_utc_A":1542727109,"created_at_utc_B":1542726707,"score_A":6,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"We're on call 1 in 6 weekends. You get \u00a3100 retainer, and then 2 hours at the applicable overtime rate (1.5x for saturday, 2x for sunday) aswell as that time you work, which doesn't seem too bad looking at some comments here","human_ref_B":"I work in O&G as Controls. My pay is hourly. I get 1.5x for OT.  On call rotation hits me about one week per month.  We are expected to be in-field within one hour unless the problem can be solved remotely.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":402.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"9yqw0z","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"If you are on call, what is your arrangement with your company? Do you receive extra benefits when on call or when you are called off hours?","c_root_id_A":"ea3u47u","c_root_id_B":"ea3rkfq","created_at_utc_A":1542728803,"created_at_utc_B":1542726707,"score_A":7,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"We had two people on call every night and weekend. They got extra pay just for being on call, plus $75 for every call they took.  The position was supporting mission critical hospital software.","human_ref_B":"I work in O&G as Controls. My pay is hourly. I get 1.5x for OT.  On call rotation hits me about one week per month.  We are expected to be in-field within one hour unless the problem can be solved remotely.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2096.0,"score_ratio":2.3333333333}
{"post_id":"9yqw0z","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"If you are on call, what is your arrangement with your company? Do you receive extra benefits when on call or when you are called off hours?","c_root_id_A":"ea3rkfq","c_root_id_B":"ea422j1","created_at_utc_A":1542726707,"created_at_utc_B":1542734956,"score_A":3,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"I work in O&G as Controls. My pay is hourly. I get 1.5x for OT.  On call rotation hits me about one week per month.  We are expected to be in-field within one hour unless the problem can be solved remotely.","human_ref_B":"We log all calls after hours, or any work that takes longer than 40 hours per week. Those are \"banked\" and go into a comp time bank that is kept via an honor system. Those hours can be used to take a half day, full day, or full week off without hitting sick time or any other PTO. I use mine to basically be \"on call\" for the entire month of Dec, only having to work if there is an issue, as well as an extra week of vacation a year.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8249.0,"score_ratio":2.3333333333}
{"post_id":"cdoc51","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"What skills set MecE new grads ahead of others when looking to hire? For a new grad with not much experience, how can I set myself up to be desirable as an EIT?   I was also wondering about how to quantify software skills like ANSYS, SolidWorks, Inventor.","c_root_id_A":"etvd2us","c_root_id_B":"etvyl5h","created_at_utc_A":1563232230,"created_at_utc_B":1563248233,"score_A":10,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"Work experience and ability to present yourself well in interviews","human_ref_B":"An internship is the most important experience you can get.  If you can\u2019t get an internship before you graduate, the next best thing is projects. Most schools have some kind of Racecar, airplane, etc project, where a group of students get together and plan, design and build.   After this will be projects that you did in your classes. Unfortunately, this doesn\u2019t help you stand apart from everyone else who took the same classes and did the same projects. What you can do though is put together a presentation of your top 5 or most impressive projects.  Presentations are a huge part of engineering and demonstrate your ability to communicate technical concepts as well as be professional. This is also the best way to show off your CAD skills. Take it a step further and show an animation of your file in motion. Pictures\/video are everything when it comes to showing off your projects.  If you don\u2019t have a lot of projects to pull from, do your own. Build a guitar amp, an RC car, or something in the field you are interested in. And then add this to your portfolio.   Interviewers want to see you can go beyond doing what you are told in class. So demonstrate this through extra curricular projects and personal projects.  Having a presentation\/portfolio ready to go can also allow you to drive your own interview and talk about what you want to talk about. You\u2019ll still have to answer the hard interview questions but atleast you\u2019ll be on your own turf for part of it.  Good Luck!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":16003.0,"score_ratio":1.1}
{"post_id":"cdoc51","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"What skills set MecE new grads ahead of others when looking to hire? For a new grad with not much experience, how can I set myself up to be desirable as an EIT?   I was also wondering about how to quantify software skills like ANSYS, SolidWorks, Inventor.","c_root_id_A":"etvyl5h","c_root_id_B":"etvx7bx","created_at_utc_A":1563248233,"created_at_utc_B":1563247107,"score_A":11,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"An internship is the most important experience you can get.  If you can\u2019t get an internship before you graduate, the next best thing is projects. Most schools have some kind of Racecar, airplane, etc project, where a group of students get together and plan, design and build.   After this will be projects that you did in your classes. Unfortunately, this doesn\u2019t help you stand apart from everyone else who took the same classes and did the same projects. What you can do though is put together a presentation of your top 5 or most impressive projects.  Presentations are a huge part of engineering and demonstrate your ability to communicate technical concepts as well as be professional. This is also the best way to show off your CAD skills. Take it a step further and show an animation of your file in motion. Pictures\/video are everything when it comes to showing off your projects.  If you don\u2019t have a lot of projects to pull from, do your own. Build a guitar amp, an RC car, or something in the field you are interested in. And then add this to your portfolio.   Interviewers want to see you can go beyond doing what you are told in class. So demonstrate this through extra curricular projects and personal projects.  Having a presentation\/portfolio ready to go can also allow you to drive your own interview and talk about what you want to talk about. You\u2019ll still have to answer the hard interview questions but atleast you\u2019ll be on your own turf for part of it.  Good Luck!","human_ref_B":"Create a project portfolio showing off examples of your skills you worked on why SW, ANSYS, etc. it\u2019s a great way to showcase skills and have something to talk about at interviews.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1126.0,"score_ratio":1.5714285714}
{"post_id":"cdoc51","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"What skills set MecE new grads ahead of others when looking to hire? For a new grad with not much experience, how can I set myself up to be desirable as an EIT?   I was also wondering about how to quantify software skills like ANSYS, SolidWorks, Inventor.","c_root_id_A":"etw1ue8","c_root_id_B":"etvx7bx","created_at_utc_A":1563251089,"created_at_utc_B":1563247107,"score_A":10,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"The answer is **networking skills.** \"Who you know\" would further your career more so than \"what you know.\"","human_ref_B":"Create a project portfolio showing off examples of your skills you worked on why SW, ANSYS, etc. it\u2019s a great way to showcase skills and have something to talk about at interviews.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3982.0,"score_ratio":1.4285714286}
{"post_id":"cdoc51","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"What skills set MecE new grads ahead of others when looking to hire? For a new grad with not much experience, how can I set myself up to be desirable as an EIT?   I was also wondering about how to quantify software skills like ANSYS, SolidWorks, Inventor.","c_root_id_A":"etw1ue8","c_root_id_B":"etvynd7","created_at_utc_A":1563251089,"created_at_utc_B":1563248284,"score_A":10,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"The answer is **networking skills.** \"Who you know\" would further your career more so than \"what you know.\"","human_ref_B":"Software skills are not that important honestly. Some exposure is good but it will not be a deal break if you know solidworks and that company uses NX. Almost every ME out of school has a bit of CAD exposure, matlab, some programming, and maybe some CFD. Unless you have significant experience on a piece of software this is mainly a box to check. The real money makers are internships\/co-ops in a relevant field. Ideally ones where you have something to show for it like something made or tested and a good ability to clearly communicate what you learned, what you'd like to learn next, and how that applied to the role you're looking for after school. A close second to that is having really good college level engineer extra circulars or research like Formula SAE, Rocket Clubs, Robotics clubs, machine shop, or research labs. The idea is to get exposure to designing, building, testing, and then iterating and learning. Bonus points for sticking with the club for a few years and taking on more responsibility as you go from 'team member' to 'team lead' to 'club president' type things. Essentially you MUST come out of college as a MechE with some level of hands on experience doing something. I interview alot of early career ME's so this is stuff I look for on a daily basis when reviewing resumes and interviewing.  &#x200B;  &#x200B;  To actually answer your second question, the best way to 'quantify' your software skills is by creating a portfolio. They aren't as common in engineering so this is something that is a great way to separate yourself from other candidates. Research portfolio design and with a small amount of effort and some creativity you can have a wonderful portfolio to put a nice bow around your college career. Try to get a license to Adobe Publisher and find some high res pictures of your projects. Add little blurbs, some graphics, and figures, and it will look great. You can go all digital or go to fedex and have them printed on nice paper to include during your interview process. If you still feel lost head over to your college's industrial design or art department. Everyone there will be well versed in portfolios and you might even be able to take a portfolio class and get some elective credit for your hard work.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2805.0,"score_ratio":5.0}
{"post_id":"cdoc51","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"What skills set MecE new grads ahead of others when looking to hire? For a new grad with not much experience, how can I set myself up to be desirable as an EIT?   I was also wondering about how to quantify software skills like ANSYS, SolidWorks, Inventor.","c_root_id_A":"etvynd7","c_root_id_B":"etwnl3c","created_at_utc_A":1563248284,"created_at_utc_B":1563278375,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Software skills are not that important honestly. Some exposure is good but it will not be a deal break if you know solidworks and that company uses NX. Almost every ME out of school has a bit of CAD exposure, matlab, some programming, and maybe some CFD. Unless you have significant experience on a piece of software this is mainly a box to check. The real money makers are internships\/co-ops in a relevant field. Ideally ones where you have something to show for it like something made or tested and a good ability to clearly communicate what you learned, what you'd like to learn next, and how that applied to the role you're looking for after school. A close second to that is having really good college level engineer extra circulars or research like Formula SAE, Rocket Clubs, Robotics clubs, machine shop, or research labs. The idea is to get exposure to designing, building, testing, and then iterating and learning. Bonus points for sticking with the club for a few years and taking on more responsibility as you go from 'team member' to 'team lead' to 'club president' type things. Essentially you MUST come out of college as a MechE with some level of hands on experience doing something. I interview alot of early career ME's so this is stuff I look for on a daily basis when reviewing resumes and interviewing.  &#x200B;  &#x200B;  To actually answer your second question, the best way to 'quantify' your software skills is by creating a portfolio. They aren't as common in engineering so this is something that is a great way to separate yourself from other candidates. Research portfolio design and with a small amount of effort and some creativity you can have a wonderful portfolio to put a nice bow around your college career. Try to get a license to Adobe Publisher and find some high res pictures of your projects. Add little blurbs, some graphics, and figures, and it will look great. You can go all digital or go to fedex and have them printed on nice paper to include during your interview process. If you still feel lost head over to your college's industrial design or art department. Everyone there will be well versed in portfolios and you might even be able to take a portfolio class and get some elective credit for your hard work.","human_ref_B":"CAD modeling goes a long way, but CAD experience plus stress analysis (ANSYS, FEMAP, etc) makes employers go nuts.  Programming languages are also a big plus. Understanding MATLAB is a given, but if you know C++ or Python, that looks real good. Being a wizard at Excel is also a highly underrated skill.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":30091.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"16zgqs","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.82,"history":"When should i use a stud vs. a bolt.  i.e. my exhaust header uses studs to attach to the engine block when a bolt would do the same thing I've heard that studs keep stresses lower, but in the end, I think the force is still being put into the threads in the block.","c_root_id_A":"c80tyxj","c_root_id_B":"c80ujlv","created_at_utc_A":1358778557,"created_at_utc_B":1358781350,"score_A":8,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Disclaimer: I am not ME, but I live with a fastener engineer and I play with cars.  The primary different I know of between studs and bolts is that when you torque a bolt, you're actually twisting it along its primary axis. When the bolt doesn't meet strong resistance, obviously it just rotates about the axis. However, when it is fully seated, the torque specification is partially defines how much you can twist that bolt before risking shear. Particularly in cars, vibrations and heat can affect the once-static configuration of that torque and any additional stress can destroy the bolt (or what it's bolted into).  Studs instead use a nut to torque the work piece in place. The nut may end up with a smaller effective area of thread used, but the stud is not subject to that same twisting force.  There may be more pros\/cons, but this is the primary one I'm aware of. You tend to see people with forced induction motors switching to head studs to combat in the increased stress and pressure of the setup. Googling \"head studs vs bolts\" will probably be pretty enlightening if you're able to wade through the inevitable bullshit.  In the case of your exhaust header, it's almost certainly a concession by the designer so that you have something to align the assembly on while you're wriggling around underneath the car.","human_ref_B":"As I understand it, the difference is in serviceability and consequences of fouled threading. it's common for the material that is internally threaded to be somewhat softer than the externally threaded materials (screws are harder than nuts). This typical schema simply won't do in a studded installation, because the softer threads, the internal threads are at increased risk of damage, and integral to a high cost item. Studs eliminate the possibility of accidental damage to the larger material item (engine block, wheel mounts, etc), because they typically aren't removed as part of normal maintenance operations, and are held in place by thread locking compound between abnormal operations, ensuring that the threading operations are done on the side of the stud away from the engine block.  TLDR; studs help ensure that your engine block isn't damaged in routine maintenance by externally threaded fasteners that are harder than than it is.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2793.0,"score_ratio":1.125}
{"post_id":"8duxc2","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"Mechanically Speaking what makes Plants Grow ? I'm familiar with cell division, photosynthesis, and the  Light Sensors   but what I mean what makes the fluid flow up from the root?   I know its related to temperatures differences and something about electrical current   that's why i post it here .....","c_root_id_A":"dxq787s","c_root_id_B":"dxqed9c","created_at_utc_A":1524309379,"created_at_utc_B":1524321372,"score_A":2,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"capillary action sucks water  but I dont know what makes it physically grow, I think wind, swaying from side to side can allow it to fill in gaps in the extended side of the structure.","human_ref_B":"> but what I mean what makes the fluid flow up from the root?  That's an entirely different question from what makes them grow.  It also was effectively the question asked for one of the essay questions on my AP bio test.  Was 20 years ago, but I'm pretty sure I can get the TLDR right...  There are a couple mechanisms at work.  One is capillary action.  This is the same force that makes water crawl up into a paper towel.  If you were to suspend a paper towel vertically with the bottom in water, the water will \"wick\" up into it a surprising distance.    Another is evaporation from the leaves.  This creates \"low pressure\" at the leaves, so the water moves that direction more easily.  As important is that the channels the water moves through to the leaves do NOT allow evaporation.  This is like making the above paper towel very long, and running most of it through a plastic tube, with only the top open to air.  Another is the balance of various chemicals in the plant vs the soil.  This creates osmotic pressure that forces water into the roots, where it is actually under some pressure, which amplifies the two effects above.  I think there's maybe other things at work as well, especially in trees, but those three effects can push water surprisingly high and are plenty for normal non-woody plants.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11993.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"8duxc2","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"Mechanically Speaking what makes Plants Grow ? I'm familiar with cell division, photosynthesis, and the  Light Sensors   but what I mean what makes the fluid flow up from the root?   I know its related to temperatures differences and something about electrical current   that's why i post it here .....","c_root_id_A":"dxqcvrv","c_root_id_B":"dxqed9c","created_at_utc_A":1524319327,"created_at_utc_B":1524321372,"score_A":2,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Electrolytes.","human_ref_B":"> but what I mean what makes the fluid flow up from the root?  That's an entirely different question from what makes them grow.  It also was effectively the question asked for one of the essay questions on my AP bio test.  Was 20 years ago, but I'm pretty sure I can get the TLDR right...  There are a couple mechanisms at work.  One is capillary action.  This is the same force that makes water crawl up into a paper towel.  If you were to suspend a paper towel vertically with the bottom in water, the water will \"wick\" up into it a surprising distance.    Another is evaporation from the leaves.  This creates \"low pressure\" at the leaves, so the water moves that direction more easily.  As important is that the channels the water moves through to the leaves do NOT allow evaporation.  This is like making the above paper towel very long, and running most of it through a plastic tube, with only the top open to air.  Another is the balance of various chemicals in the plant vs the soil.  This creates osmotic pressure that forces water into the roots, where it is actually under some pressure, which amplifies the two effects above.  I think there's maybe other things at work as well, especially in trees, but those three effects can push water surprisingly high and are plenty for normal non-woody plants.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2045.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"8duxc2","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"Mechanically Speaking what makes Plants Grow ? I'm familiar with cell division, photosynthesis, and the  Light Sensors   but what I mean what makes the fluid flow up from the root?   I know its related to temperatures differences and something about electrical current   that's why i post it here .....","c_root_id_A":"dxqoxe1","c_root_id_B":"dxq787s","created_at_utc_A":1524333744,"created_at_utc_B":1524309379,"score_A":5,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Not an engineer, but a lurking biochemist with specialization in  plant cell walls.   Based on how your question is worded, I'll boil it down to some absolute basics. I'll also preface that saying temperature differences and electrical currents drive plant growth is more wrong than it is right.  Plants move nutrients (salts, sugars, etc.) via active transport mechanisms that consume ATP. Basically, tiny pumps that move things across membranes and between cells. This is roughly where I'm thinking you're getting electircal current from, since it's a \"flow\" of ions. Also, plants are really good at making very, small, very strong straws out of both living an dead cells. Between these two phenomena, water and nutrients move up the plant via diffusion (water chases the high nutrient concentrations) and capillary action (water likes to stick to both itself and other things, and in a small enough cross-section, it will climb against gravity). Additionally, leaves at the top of the plant are constantly losing water to the atmosphere, which can apply what is fundamentally suction from the top of the plants. I suspect that's where you got the temperature bit from, since sunlight heating the leaves of the plant will definitely accelerate the effect.  As far as how the plant builds its actual structure at the cellular level, it's a product of constrained and directed pressure. The cell uses those pumps I talked about to create high cellular pressure (called turgor) that presses out equally in all directions. The cell also is constantly building a wall around itself that has extremely high tensile strength. By selectively allowing certain areas of the cell wall to loosen or thin, the turgor presses the cell to grow in that direction. Think of it like a water balloon. The pressure of the water pushes out more in thinner parts of the balloon, while thicker parts near the nozzle stretch less.  Hopefully that answers your question, but feel free to ask if you need more information.","human_ref_B":"capillary action sucks water  but I dont know what makes it physically grow, I think wind, swaying from side to side can allow it to fill in gaps in the extended side of the structure.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":24365.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"8duxc2","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"Mechanically Speaking what makes Plants Grow ? I'm familiar with cell division, photosynthesis, and the  Light Sensors   but what I mean what makes the fluid flow up from the root?   I know its related to temperatures differences and something about electrical current   that's why i post it here .....","c_root_id_A":"dxqcvrv","c_root_id_B":"dxqoxe1","created_at_utc_A":1524319327,"created_at_utc_B":1524333744,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Electrolytes.","human_ref_B":"Not an engineer, but a lurking biochemist with specialization in  plant cell walls.   Based on how your question is worded, I'll boil it down to some absolute basics. I'll also preface that saying temperature differences and electrical currents drive plant growth is more wrong than it is right.  Plants move nutrients (salts, sugars, etc.) via active transport mechanisms that consume ATP. Basically, tiny pumps that move things across membranes and between cells. This is roughly where I'm thinking you're getting electircal current from, since it's a \"flow\" of ions. Also, plants are really good at making very, small, very strong straws out of both living an dead cells. Between these two phenomena, water and nutrients move up the plant via diffusion (water chases the high nutrient concentrations) and capillary action (water likes to stick to both itself and other things, and in a small enough cross-section, it will climb against gravity). Additionally, leaves at the top of the plant are constantly losing water to the atmosphere, which can apply what is fundamentally suction from the top of the plants. I suspect that's where you got the temperature bit from, since sunlight heating the leaves of the plant will definitely accelerate the effect.  As far as how the plant builds its actual structure at the cellular level, it's a product of constrained and directed pressure. The cell uses those pumps I talked about to create high cellular pressure (called turgor) that presses out equally in all directions. The cell also is constantly building a wall around itself that has extremely high tensile strength. By selectively allowing certain areas of the cell wall to loosen or thin, the turgor presses the cell to grow in that direction. Think of it like a water balloon. The pressure of the water pushes out more in thinner parts of the balloon, while thicker parts near the nozzle stretch less.  Hopefully that answers your question, but feel free to ask if you need more information.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":14417.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"8duxc2","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"Mechanically Speaking what makes Plants Grow ? I'm familiar with cell division, photosynthesis, and the  Light Sensors   but what I mean what makes the fluid flow up from the root?   I know its related to temperatures differences and something about electrical current   that's why i post it here .....","c_root_id_A":"dxq787s","c_root_id_B":"dxr5l66","created_at_utc_A":1524309379,"created_at_utc_B":1524352898,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"capillary action sucks water  but I dont know what makes it physically grow, I think wind, swaying from side to side can allow it to fill in gaps in the extended side of the structure.","human_ref_B":"Adhesion. Water is polar and attracted to itself (e.g. a meniscus)) which leads to interesting properties such as capillary action. We can make all sorts of calculations around capillary action, and, as you would guess from examining the equation in that link, some are intrinsic to the fluid (water) like density, but some are factors of the environment like the geometry or surrounding material. For example, take note of the r term in the equation - smaller radii means water is able to travel further against gravity in the capillary.   Plants have a structure in them called the Xylem which are generally made up of very polar sugars and proteins (so very attractive to the water, meaning the surface tension term in the capillary equation, gamma, increases) and the capillaries\/tubes in the plants are also extremely thin, so the r term in that equation is very very small.   Moreover, think back to osmosis - when plants photosynthesize, they are exhausting the water resource that is in the cell by embedding it in a new chemical compound (sugar), and so adjacent water is drawn in to regenerate osmotic equilibrium, and this cascades through the whole plant so that eventually at the roots, additional water is drawn in from the environment rather than neighboring cells.  There may be thermal or electrical signals encouraging growth, but that's the mechanical explanation of the physics.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":43519.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"8duxc2","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.8,"history":"Mechanically Speaking what makes Plants Grow ? I'm familiar with cell division, photosynthesis, and the  Light Sensors   but what I mean what makes the fluid flow up from the root?   I know its related to temperatures differences and something about electrical current   that's why i post it here .....","c_root_id_A":"dxr5l66","c_root_id_B":"dxqcvrv","created_at_utc_A":1524352898,"created_at_utc_B":1524319327,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Adhesion. Water is polar and attracted to itself (e.g. a meniscus)) which leads to interesting properties such as capillary action. We can make all sorts of calculations around capillary action, and, as you would guess from examining the equation in that link, some are intrinsic to the fluid (water) like density, but some are factors of the environment like the geometry or surrounding material. For example, take note of the r term in the equation - smaller radii means water is able to travel further against gravity in the capillary.   Plants have a structure in them called the Xylem which are generally made up of very polar sugars and proteins (so very attractive to the water, meaning the surface tension term in the capillary equation, gamma, increases) and the capillaries\/tubes in the plants are also extremely thin, so the r term in that equation is very very small.   Moreover, think back to osmosis - when plants photosynthesize, they are exhausting the water resource that is in the cell by embedding it in a new chemical compound (sugar), and so adjacent water is drawn in to regenerate osmotic equilibrium, and this cascades through the whole plant so that eventually at the roots, additional water is drawn in from the environment rather than neighboring cells.  There may be thermal or electrical signals encouraging growth, but that's the mechanical explanation of the physics.","human_ref_B":"Electrolytes.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":33571.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"qduafg","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Wanting to build a swing set out of 2\" pipe and have a few questions. I'm wanting to build my children a swing set and was thinking about using 2\" galvanized, threaded pipe.  The plan is to use 2 90s with side outlets like these threading a 10' section into each hole for a total of 5 10' pipes. I was thinking I could then thread 2\" 45\u00b0s onto each leg with another pipe threaded into the other end which would be in a hole in the ground.  1. Would this work for a frame? 2.  Are the legs going straight down necessary or would it be fine without the 45s? 3.  Is a 10' beam to long for only 2 support columns?  4. Any other helpful information.     Thanks in advance.","c_root_id_A":"hhp3jfx","c_root_id_B":"hhp2bde","created_at_utc_A":1634954787,"created_at_utc_B":1634954175,"score_A":13,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I just ran some numbers....  If you have two 100 pound loads at the 40 and 80 inch marks, the pipe will deflect somewhere between 0.07\" and 0.36\" and has a safety factor somewhere between 4.4 and 6.6.  Much depends on how stiff your anchor points and such are.    You don't really say how big your kids are and such, but.... Odds are that you're fine.","human_ref_B":"You are going to experience some serious deflection of the horizontal member. You need a center support. Alternatively you could try filling that horizontal member with concrete, or skip tubing all together and use 2x material.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":612.0,"score_ratio":6.5}
{"post_id":"qduafg","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Wanting to build a swing set out of 2\" pipe and have a few questions. I'm wanting to build my children a swing set and was thinking about using 2\" galvanized, threaded pipe.  The plan is to use 2 90s with side outlets like these threading a 10' section into each hole for a total of 5 10' pipes. I was thinking I could then thread 2\" 45\u00b0s onto each leg with another pipe threaded into the other end which would be in a hole in the ground.  1. Would this work for a frame? 2.  Are the legs going straight down necessary or would it be fine without the 45s? 3.  Is a 10' beam to long for only 2 support columns?  4. Any other helpful information.     Thanks in advance.","c_root_id_A":"hhp2bde","c_root_id_B":"hhpc0nj","created_at_utc_A":1634954175,"created_at_utc_B":1634959436,"score_A":2,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"You are going to experience some serious deflection of the horizontal member. You need a center support. Alternatively you could try filling that horizontal member with concrete, or skip tubing all together and use 2x material.","human_ref_B":"It's much safer to assume dynamic loads are a multiple of static.  And those theaded fittings aren't a good choice.  Just do it with wood and a set of these. Works great. https:\/\/www.easternjunglegym.com\/easy-1-2-3-a-frame-swing-set-bracket-kit-pair","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5261.0,"score_ratio":6.0}
{"post_id":"qduafg","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Wanting to build a swing set out of 2\" pipe and have a few questions. I'm wanting to build my children a swing set and was thinking about using 2\" galvanized, threaded pipe.  The plan is to use 2 90s with side outlets like these threading a 10' section into each hole for a total of 5 10' pipes. I was thinking I could then thread 2\" 45\u00b0s onto each leg with another pipe threaded into the other end which would be in a hole in the ground.  1. Would this work for a frame? 2.  Are the legs going straight down necessary or would it be fine without the 45s? 3.  Is a 10' beam to long for only 2 support columns?  4. Any other helpful information.     Thanks in advance.","c_root_id_A":"hhp2bde","c_root_id_B":"hhpor5a","created_at_utc_A":1634954175,"created_at_utc_B":1634967668,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"You are going to experience some serious deflection of the horizontal member. You need a center support. Alternatively you could try filling that horizontal member with concrete, or skip tubing all together and use 2x material.","human_ref_B":"2\" steel pipe is not very sturdy... it will bend\/flex at 10' in length...","labels":0,"seconds_difference":13493.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"qduafg","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Wanting to build a swing set out of 2\" pipe and have a few questions. I'm wanting to build my children a swing set and was thinking about using 2\" galvanized, threaded pipe.  The plan is to use 2 90s with side outlets like these threading a 10' section into each hole for a total of 5 10' pipes. I was thinking I could then thread 2\" 45\u00b0s onto each leg with another pipe threaded into the other end which would be in a hole in the ground.  1. Would this work for a frame? 2.  Are the legs going straight down necessary or would it be fine without the 45s? 3.  Is a 10' beam to long for only 2 support columns?  4. Any other helpful information.     Thanks in advance.","c_root_id_A":"hhpv9r1","c_root_id_B":"hhq26js","created_at_utc_A":1634973040,"created_at_utc_B":1634979225,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"- Put loctite on the threads, and tighten them as hard as you can  - Use primer and at least two coats of a good paint like Krylon. Paint after assembling if you can. If you're painting before assembly, don't paint over the threads.","human_ref_B":"Wouldn't be easier to use a designed for purpose bracket so you don't have to worry about load calculations? If you are willing to use wood (4 4x4s and a 4x6) then this isn't too expensive: https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Frame-Brackets-Complete-Mounting-Hardware\/dp\/B01M28VV0N  A quick google searched turned up brackets for 2 3\/8\" steel pipe, but they are more expensive: https:\/\/www.aaastateofplay.com\/bipod-end-frame-fitting\/","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6185.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"qduafg","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Wanting to build a swing set out of 2\" pipe and have a few questions. I'm wanting to build my children a swing set and was thinking about using 2\" galvanized, threaded pipe.  The plan is to use 2 90s with side outlets like these threading a 10' section into each hole for a total of 5 10' pipes. I was thinking I could then thread 2\" 45\u00b0s onto each leg with another pipe threaded into the other end which would be in a hole in the ground.  1. Would this work for a frame? 2.  Are the legs going straight down necessary or would it be fine without the 45s? 3.  Is a 10' beam to long for only 2 support columns?  4. Any other helpful information.     Thanks in advance.","c_root_id_A":"hhq26js","c_root_id_B":"hhp2bde","created_at_utc_A":1634979225,"created_at_utc_B":1634954175,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Wouldn't be easier to use a designed for purpose bracket so you don't have to worry about load calculations? If you are willing to use wood (4 4x4s and a 4x6) then this isn't too expensive: https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Frame-Brackets-Complete-Mounting-Hardware\/dp\/B01M28VV0N  A quick google searched turned up brackets for 2 3\/8\" steel pipe, but they are more expensive: https:\/\/www.aaastateofplay.com\/bipod-end-frame-fitting\/","human_ref_B":"You are going to experience some serious deflection of the horizontal member. You need a center support. Alternatively you could try filling that horizontal member with concrete, or skip tubing all together and use 2x material.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":25050.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"qduafg","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Wanting to build a swing set out of 2\" pipe and have a few questions. I'm wanting to build my children a swing set and was thinking about using 2\" galvanized, threaded pipe.  The plan is to use 2 90s with side outlets like these threading a 10' section into each hole for a total of 5 10' pipes. I was thinking I could then thread 2\" 45\u00b0s onto each leg with another pipe threaded into the other end which would be in a hole in the ground.  1. Would this work for a frame? 2.  Are the legs going straight down necessary or would it be fine without the 45s? 3.  Is a 10' beam to long for only 2 support columns?  4. Any other helpful information.     Thanks in advance.","c_root_id_A":"hhp2bde","c_root_id_B":"hhpv9r1","created_at_utc_A":1634954175,"created_at_utc_B":1634973040,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"You are going to experience some serious deflection of the horizontal member. You need a center support. Alternatively you could try filling that horizontal member with concrete, or skip tubing all together and use 2x material.","human_ref_B":"- Put loctite on the threads, and tighten them as hard as you can  - Use primer and at least two coats of a good paint like Krylon. Paint after assembling if you can. If you're painting before assembly, don't paint over the threads.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":18865.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"qduafg","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Wanting to build a swing set out of 2\" pipe and have a few questions. I'm wanting to build my children a swing set and was thinking about using 2\" galvanized, threaded pipe.  The plan is to use 2 90s with side outlets like these threading a 10' section into each hole for a total of 5 10' pipes. I was thinking I could then thread 2\" 45\u00b0s onto each leg with another pipe threaded into the other end which would be in a hole in the ground.  1. Would this work for a frame? 2.  Are the legs going straight down necessary or would it be fine without the 45s? 3.  Is a 10' beam to long for only 2 support columns?  4. Any other helpful information.     Thanks in advance.","c_root_id_A":"hhp2bde","c_root_id_B":"hhq6elv","created_at_utc_A":1634954175,"created_at_utc_B":1634983121,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"You are going to experience some serious deflection of the horizontal member. You need a center support. Alternatively you could try filling that horizontal member with concrete, or skip tubing all together and use 2x material.","human_ref_B":"Have a look at funky monkey brand monkey bars. They use standard handrail\/scaff style pipe and clamps, and it's fine to use for adults doing ninja warrior training","labels":0,"seconds_difference":28946.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"k60y0v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Masters in CS with a Bach in Mechanical Engineering.    Hi everyone, so I have a bachelor in mechanical engineering but since the final year of my degree that I've wanted to pursue a career as a software developer. Since I have basic knowledge in Visual Basic, C and Java, I talked to the main professor of the masters degree program in COMP SCI, at my university, and he told me that I could enroll in, as long as I took the 4 main classes from the undergrad curriculum. Those classes are \" Software engineering\", \"Data Bases\", \"Systems Architecture\" and \"Intro to programming\". So my question is, Do u think I should enroll in the masters program, or do something else ?  Extra: In my country the masters program is 2 years long and the tuitions aren\u00b4t as crazy as in the US.  Sorry if my English is not perfect, it's not my main language.","c_root_id_A":"geiqv5h","c_root_id_B":"geiru6w","created_at_utc_A":1607025626,"created_at_utc_B":1607025990,"score_A":7,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"Automation and 3D CAD\/CAE software developers require MEs to know a lot of programming.","human_ref_B":"Take the classes and start looking for jobs with your ME degree. If you\u2019re totally self-taught those four classes will give you a much more solid foundation to build on (also available for free online if you\u2019re motivated enough), but once you\u2019re familiar with fundamental concepts, patterns, etc. your quickest ticket to a developer job is getting good at solving coding challenges (codewars.io etc) quickly.  Also worth mentioning that the three languages you have expertise in fit in very different niches:   -\tC is mostly low-level systems\/embedded type stuff -\tJava tends to be stodgy enterprise software, with the notable exception of Android -\tVB (classic) tends to either be a side item in non-software businesses or involve a lot of truly hateful legacy code. VB (.NET) is being deprecated, but if you know it well picking up C# is pretty easy and the team behind it is doing a lot of exciting things now  e: format list","labels":0,"seconds_difference":364.0,"score_ratio":1.4285714286}
{"post_id":"k60y0v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Masters in CS with a Bach in Mechanical Engineering.    Hi everyone, so I have a bachelor in mechanical engineering but since the final year of my degree that I've wanted to pursue a career as a software developer. Since I have basic knowledge in Visual Basic, C and Java, I talked to the main professor of the masters degree program in COMP SCI, at my university, and he told me that I could enroll in, as long as I took the 4 main classes from the undergrad curriculum. Those classes are \" Software engineering\", \"Data Bases\", \"Systems Architecture\" and \"Intro to programming\". So my question is, Do u think I should enroll in the masters program, or do something else ?  Extra: In my country the masters program is 2 years long and the tuitions aren\u00b4t as crazy as in the US.  Sorry if my English is not perfect, it's not my main language.","c_root_id_A":"geid1uq","c_root_id_B":"geiru6w","created_at_utc_A":1607019558,"created_at_utc_B":1607025990,"score_A":2,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"If you don't have any job experience you might just end up making yourself unemployable.","human_ref_B":"Take the classes and start looking for jobs with your ME degree. If you\u2019re totally self-taught those four classes will give you a much more solid foundation to build on (also available for free online if you\u2019re motivated enough), but once you\u2019re familiar with fundamental concepts, patterns, etc. your quickest ticket to a developer job is getting good at solving coding challenges (codewars.io etc) quickly.  Also worth mentioning that the three languages you have expertise in fit in very different niches:   -\tC is mostly low-level systems\/embedded type stuff -\tJava tends to be stodgy enterprise software, with the notable exception of Android -\tVB (classic) tends to either be a side item in non-software businesses or involve a lot of truly hateful legacy code. VB (.NET) is being deprecated, but if you know it well picking up C# is pretty easy and the team behind it is doing a lot of exciting things now  e: format list","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6432.0,"score_ratio":5.0}
{"post_id":"k60y0v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Masters in CS with a Bach in Mechanical Engineering.    Hi everyone, so I have a bachelor in mechanical engineering but since the final year of my degree that I've wanted to pursue a career as a software developer. Since I have basic knowledge in Visual Basic, C and Java, I talked to the main professor of the masters degree program in COMP SCI, at my university, and he told me that I could enroll in, as long as I took the 4 main classes from the undergrad curriculum. Those classes are \" Software engineering\", \"Data Bases\", \"Systems Architecture\" and \"Intro to programming\". So my question is, Do u think I should enroll in the masters program, or do something else ?  Extra: In my country the masters program is 2 years long and the tuitions aren\u00b4t as crazy as in the US.  Sorry if my English is not perfect, it's not my main language.","c_root_id_A":"geik5mn","c_root_id_B":"geid1uq","created_at_utc_A":1607022845,"created_at_utc_B":1607019558,"score_A":10,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"You should probably get some work experience. School doesn\u2019t really teach you anything about how to work or make money, it\u2019s completely different. If you have a masters you will be beaten by bachelors with work experience as it\u2019s the most important thing.","human_ref_B":"If you don't have any job experience you might just end up making yourself unemployable.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3287.0,"score_ratio":5.0}
{"post_id":"k60y0v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Masters in CS with a Bach in Mechanical Engineering.    Hi everyone, so I have a bachelor in mechanical engineering but since the final year of my degree that I've wanted to pursue a career as a software developer. Since I have basic knowledge in Visual Basic, C and Java, I talked to the main professor of the masters degree program in COMP SCI, at my university, and he told me that I could enroll in, as long as I took the 4 main classes from the undergrad curriculum. Those classes are \" Software engineering\", \"Data Bases\", \"Systems Architecture\" and \"Intro to programming\". So my question is, Do u think I should enroll in the masters program, or do something else ?  Extra: In my country the masters program is 2 years long and the tuitions aren\u00b4t as crazy as in the US.  Sorry if my English is not perfect, it's not my main language.","c_root_id_A":"geiqv5h","c_root_id_B":"geid1uq","created_at_utc_A":1607025626,"created_at_utc_B":1607019558,"score_A":7,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Automation and 3D CAD\/CAE software developers require MEs to know a lot of programming.","human_ref_B":"If you don't have any job experience you might just end up making yourself unemployable.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6068.0,"score_ratio":3.5}
{"post_id":"k60y0v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Masters in CS with a Bach in Mechanical Engineering.    Hi everyone, so I have a bachelor in mechanical engineering but since the final year of my degree that I've wanted to pursue a career as a software developer. Since I have basic knowledge in Visual Basic, C and Java, I talked to the main professor of the masters degree program in COMP SCI, at my university, and he told me that I could enroll in, as long as I took the 4 main classes from the undergrad curriculum. Those classes are \" Software engineering\", \"Data Bases\", \"Systems Architecture\" and \"Intro to programming\". So my question is, Do u think I should enroll in the masters program, or do something else ?  Extra: In my country the masters program is 2 years long and the tuitions aren\u00b4t as crazy as in the US.  Sorry if my English is not perfect, it's not my main language.","c_root_id_A":"gejd1d3","c_root_id_B":"gej0dkt","created_at_utc_A":1607035278,"created_at_utc_B":1607029368,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I got a job out of school as a software developer with bachelor's in mechanical. It's hard, not impossible. Some software engineering gigs don't even require a bachelor's. Try to get a job, then have the company pay for your masters.","human_ref_B":"If tuition isn't crazy like in the US, go for it.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5910.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"k60y0v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Masters in CS with a Bach in Mechanical Engineering.    Hi everyone, so I have a bachelor in mechanical engineering but since the final year of my degree that I've wanted to pursue a career as a software developer. Since I have basic knowledge in Visual Basic, C and Java, I talked to the main professor of the masters degree program in COMP SCI, at my university, and he told me that I could enroll in, as long as I took the 4 main classes from the undergrad curriculum. Those classes are \" Software engineering\", \"Data Bases\", \"Systems Architecture\" and \"Intro to programming\". So my question is, Do u think I should enroll in the masters program, or do something else ?  Extra: In my country the masters program is 2 years long and the tuitions aren\u00b4t as crazy as in the US.  Sorry if my English is not perfect, it's not my main language.","c_root_id_A":"gejd1d3","c_root_id_B":"geid1uq","created_at_utc_A":1607035278,"created_at_utc_B":1607019558,"score_A":5,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I got a job out of school as a software developer with bachelor's in mechanical. It's hard, not impossible. Some software engineering gigs don't even require a bachelor's. Try to get a job, then have the company pay for your masters.","human_ref_B":"If you don't have any job experience you might just end up making yourself unemployable.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":15720.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"k60y0v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Masters in CS with a Bach in Mechanical Engineering.    Hi everyone, so I have a bachelor in mechanical engineering but since the final year of my degree that I've wanted to pursue a career as a software developer. Since I have basic knowledge in Visual Basic, C and Java, I talked to the main professor of the masters degree program in COMP SCI, at my university, and he told me that I could enroll in, as long as I took the 4 main classes from the undergrad curriculum. Those classes are \" Software engineering\", \"Data Bases\", \"Systems Architecture\" and \"Intro to programming\". So my question is, Do u think I should enroll in the masters program, or do something else ?  Extra: In my country the masters program is 2 years long and the tuitions aren\u00b4t as crazy as in the US.  Sorry if my English is not perfect, it's not my main language.","c_root_id_A":"gejd1d3","c_root_id_B":"geitwhy","created_at_utc_A":1607035278,"created_at_utc_B":1607026758,"score_A":5,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I got a job out of school as a software developer with bachelor's in mechanical. It's hard, not impossible. Some software engineering gigs don't even require a bachelor's. Try to get a job, then have the company pay for your masters.","human_ref_B":"Where is the question?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8520.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"k60y0v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Masters in CS with a Bach in Mechanical Engineering.    Hi everyone, so I have a bachelor in mechanical engineering but since the final year of my degree that I've wanted to pursue a career as a software developer. Since I have basic knowledge in Visual Basic, C and Java, I talked to the main professor of the masters degree program in COMP SCI, at my university, and he told me that I could enroll in, as long as I took the 4 main classes from the undergrad curriculum. Those classes are \" Software engineering\", \"Data Bases\", \"Systems Architecture\" and \"Intro to programming\". So my question is, Do u think I should enroll in the masters program, or do something else ?  Extra: In my country the masters program is 2 years long and the tuitions aren\u00b4t as crazy as in the US.  Sorry if my English is not perfect, it's not my main language.","c_root_id_A":"gej0dkt","c_root_id_B":"gejd56z","created_at_utc_A":1607029368,"created_at_utc_B":1607035333,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"If tuition isn't crazy like in the US, go for it.","human_ref_B":"This is a question of whether you want to be a programmer or a mechanical engineer. I don't think anyone can make that decision for you","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5965.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"k60y0v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Masters in CS with a Bach in Mechanical Engineering.    Hi everyone, so I have a bachelor in mechanical engineering but since the final year of my degree that I've wanted to pursue a career as a software developer. Since I have basic knowledge in Visual Basic, C and Java, I talked to the main professor of the masters degree program in COMP SCI, at my university, and he told me that I could enroll in, as long as I took the 4 main classes from the undergrad curriculum. Those classes are \" Software engineering\", \"Data Bases\", \"Systems Architecture\" and \"Intro to programming\". So my question is, Do u think I should enroll in the masters program, or do something else ?  Extra: In my country the masters program is 2 years long and the tuitions aren\u00b4t as crazy as in the US.  Sorry if my English is not perfect, it's not my main language.","c_root_id_A":"gejd56z","c_root_id_B":"geid1uq","created_at_utc_A":1607035333,"created_at_utc_B":1607019558,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"This is a question of whether you want to be a programmer or a mechanical engineer. I don't think anyone can make that decision for you","human_ref_B":"If you don't have any job experience you might just end up making yourself unemployable.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":15775.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"k60y0v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Masters in CS with a Bach in Mechanical Engineering.    Hi everyone, so I have a bachelor in mechanical engineering but since the final year of my degree that I've wanted to pursue a career as a software developer. Since I have basic knowledge in Visual Basic, C and Java, I talked to the main professor of the masters degree program in COMP SCI, at my university, and he told me that I could enroll in, as long as I took the 4 main classes from the undergrad curriculum. Those classes are \" Software engineering\", \"Data Bases\", \"Systems Architecture\" and \"Intro to programming\". So my question is, Do u think I should enroll in the masters program, or do something else ?  Extra: In my country the masters program is 2 years long and the tuitions aren\u00b4t as crazy as in the US.  Sorry if my English is not perfect, it's not my main language.","c_root_id_A":"gejd56z","c_root_id_B":"geitwhy","created_at_utc_A":1607035333,"created_at_utc_B":1607026758,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"This is a question of whether you want to be a programmer or a mechanical engineer. I don't think anyone can make that decision for you","human_ref_B":"Where is the question?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8575.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"k60y0v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Masters in CS with a Bach in Mechanical Engineering.    Hi everyone, so I have a bachelor in mechanical engineering but since the final year of my degree that I've wanted to pursue a career as a software developer. Since I have basic knowledge in Visual Basic, C and Java, I talked to the main professor of the masters degree program in COMP SCI, at my university, and he told me that I could enroll in, as long as I took the 4 main classes from the undergrad curriculum. Those classes are \" Software engineering\", \"Data Bases\", \"Systems Architecture\" and \"Intro to programming\". So my question is, Do u think I should enroll in the masters program, or do something else ?  Extra: In my country the masters program is 2 years long and the tuitions aren\u00b4t as crazy as in the US.  Sorry if my English is not perfect, it's not my main language.","c_root_id_A":"gej0dkt","c_root_id_B":"gejhwio","created_at_utc_A":1607029368,"created_at_utc_B":1607037858,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"If tuition isn't crazy like in the US, go for it.","human_ref_B":"Sure, why not? do whatever you want bro. this is your life","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8490.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"k60y0v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Masters in CS with a Bach in Mechanical Engineering.    Hi everyone, so I have a bachelor in mechanical engineering but since the final year of my degree that I've wanted to pursue a career as a software developer. Since I have basic knowledge in Visual Basic, C and Java, I talked to the main professor of the masters degree program in COMP SCI, at my university, and he told me that I could enroll in, as long as I took the 4 main classes from the undergrad curriculum. Those classes are \" Software engineering\", \"Data Bases\", \"Systems Architecture\" and \"Intro to programming\". So my question is, Do u think I should enroll in the masters program, or do something else ?  Extra: In my country the masters program is 2 years long and the tuitions aren\u00b4t as crazy as in the US.  Sorry if my English is not perfect, it's not my main language.","c_root_id_A":"gejhwio","c_root_id_B":"geid1uq","created_at_utc_A":1607037858,"created_at_utc_B":1607019558,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Sure, why not? do whatever you want bro. this is your life","human_ref_B":"If you don't have any job experience you might just end up making yourself unemployable.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":18300.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"k60y0v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Masters in CS with a Bach in Mechanical Engineering.    Hi everyone, so I have a bachelor in mechanical engineering but since the final year of my degree that I've wanted to pursue a career as a software developer. Since I have basic knowledge in Visual Basic, C and Java, I talked to the main professor of the masters degree program in COMP SCI, at my university, and he told me that I could enroll in, as long as I took the 4 main classes from the undergrad curriculum. Those classes are \" Software engineering\", \"Data Bases\", \"Systems Architecture\" and \"Intro to programming\". So my question is, Do u think I should enroll in the masters program, or do something else ?  Extra: In my country the masters program is 2 years long and the tuitions aren\u00b4t as crazy as in the US.  Sorry if my English is not perfect, it's not my main language.","c_root_id_A":"gejhwio","c_root_id_B":"geitwhy","created_at_utc_A":1607037858,"created_at_utc_B":1607026758,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Sure, why not? do whatever you want bro. this is your life","human_ref_B":"Where is the question?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":11100.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"k60y0v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Masters in CS with a Bach in Mechanical Engineering.    Hi everyone, so I have a bachelor in mechanical engineering but since the final year of my degree that I've wanted to pursue a career as a software developer. Since I have basic knowledge in Visual Basic, C and Java, I talked to the main professor of the masters degree program in COMP SCI, at my university, and he told me that I could enroll in, as long as I took the 4 main classes from the undergrad curriculum. Those classes are \" Software engineering\", \"Data Bases\", \"Systems Architecture\" and \"Intro to programming\". So my question is, Do u think I should enroll in the masters program, or do something else ?  Extra: In my country the masters program is 2 years long and the tuitions aren\u00b4t as crazy as in the US.  Sorry if my English is not perfect, it's not my main language.","c_root_id_A":"gejhwio","c_root_id_B":"gejd8zn","created_at_utc_A":1607037858,"created_at_utc_B":1607035388,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Sure, why not? do whatever you want bro. this is your life","human_ref_B":"It's possible, if it's what you want to do for the money you could get paid go for it.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2470.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"k60y0v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Masters in CS with a Bach in Mechanical Engineering.    Hi everyone, so I have a bachelor in mechanical engineering but since the final year of my degree that I've wanted to pursue a career as a software developer. Since I have basic knowledge in Visual Basic, C and Java, I talked to the main professor of the masters degree program in COMP SCI, at my university, and he told me that I could enroll in, as long as I took the 4 main classes from the undergrad curriculum. Those classes are \" Software engineering\", \"Data Bases\", \"Systems Architecture\" and \"Intro to programming\". So my question is, Do u think I should enroll in the masters program, or do something else ?  Extra: In my country the masters program is 2 years long and the tuitions aren\u00b4t as crazy as in the US.  Sorry if my English is not perfect, it's not my main language.","c_root_id_A":"gej0dkt","c_root_id_B":"gek0zpt","created_at_utc_A":1607029368,"created_at_utc_B":1607049774,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"If tuition isn't crazy like in the US, go for it.","human_ref_B":"Switching to software development is probably less complicated and formal than you think.  As an Electronics Engineer, I've done firmware and software development, including at a web- and app-development firm.  Or my brother, for instance, had only a semester of college and worked as a video editor at several news organizations. He recently decided \"Naw, this isn't going anywhere\" and is currently in the latter half of a coding bootcamp.  At the web-development firm I worked in, a couple of them came from bootcamps. To my frustration, making pretty much the same as me. One of the guys I worked with closely never got a degree or formal training, but left the company to do his own contracts and make well into six figures.  Oh, and our resident \"AI Expert\" had a degree in physics and started at the company doing QA testing.  With software, the skills count almost entirely and formal education counts for comparatively little. Mind you, having an engineering degree under your belt will IMMEDIATELY make you stand out and get your foot in the door. In my experience, people respected my EE degree more than others' CS degrees.  But I would say if you go for a Master's in CS, your primary motivation should be the skills, not  necessarily the degree.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":20406.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"k60y0v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Masters in CS with a Bach in Mechanical Engineering.    Hi everyone, so I have a bachelor in mechanical engineering but since the final year of my degree that I've wanted to pursue a career as a software developer. Since I have basic knowledge in Visual Basic, C and Java, I talked to the main professor of the masters degree program in COMP SCI, at my university, and he told me that I could enroll in, as long as I took the 4 main classes from the undergrad curriculum. Those classes are \" Software engineering\", \"Data Bases\", \"Systems Architecture\" and \"Intro to programming\". So my question is, Do u think I should enroll in the masters program, or do something else ?  Extra: In my country the masters program is 2 years long and the tuitions aren\u00b4t as crazy as in the US.  Sorry if my English is not perfect, it's not my main language.","c_root_id_A":"geid1uq","c_root_id_B":"gek0zpt","created_at_utc_A":1607019558,"created_at_utc_B":1607049774,"score_A":2,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"If you don't have any job experience you might just end up making yourself unemployable.","human_ref_B":"Switching to software development is probably less complicated and formal than you think.  As an Electronics Engineer, I've done firmware and software development, including at a web- and app-development firm.  Or my brother, for instance, had only a semester of college and worked as a video editor at several news organizations. He recently decided \"Naw, this isn't going anywhere\" and is currently in the latter half of a coding bootcamp.  At the web-development firm I worked in, a couple of them came from bootcamps. To my frustration, making pretty much the same as me. One of the guys I worked with closely never got a degree or formal training, but left the company to do his own contracts and make well into six figures.  Oh, and our resident \"AI Expert\" had a degree in physics and started at the company doing QA testing.  With software, the skills count almost entirely and formal education counts for comparatively little. Mind you, having an engineering degree under your belt will IMMEDIATELY make you stand out and get your foot in the door. In my experience, people respected my EE degree more than others' CS degrees.  But I would say if you go for a Master's in CS, your primary motivation should be the skills, not  necessarily the degree.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":30216.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"k60y0v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Masters in CS with a Bach in Mechanical Engineering.    Hi everyone, so I have a bachelor in mechanical engineering but since the final year of my degree that I've wanted to pursue a career as a software developer. Since I have basic knowledge in Visual Basic, C and Java, I talked to the main professor of the masters degree program in COMP SCI, at my university, and he told me that I could enroll in, as long as I took the 4 main classes from the undergrad curriculum. Those classes are \" Software engineering\", \"Data Bases\", \"Systems Architecture\" and \"Intro to programming\". So my question is, Do u think I should enroll in the masters program, or do something else ?  Extra: In my country the masters program is 2 years long and the tuitions aren\u00b4t as crazy as in the US.  Sorry if my English is not perfect, it's not my main language.","c_root_id_A":"gek0zpt","c_root_id_B":"geitwhy","created_at_utc_A":1607049774,"created_at_utc_B":1607026758,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Switching to software development is probably less complicated and formal than you think.  As an Electronics Engineer, I've done firmware and software development, including at a web- and app-development firm.  Or my brother, for instance, had only a semester of college and worked as a video editor at several news organizations. He recently decided \"Naw, this isn't going anywhere\" and is currently in the latter half of a coding bootcamp.  At the web-development firm I worked in, a couple of them came from bootcamps. To my frustration, making pretty much the same as me. One of the guys I worked with closely never got a degree or formal training, but left the company to do his own contracts and make well into six figures.  Oh, and our resident \"AI Expert\" had a degree in physics and started at the company doing QA testing.  With software, the skills count almost entirely and formal education counts for comparatively little. Mind you, having an engineering degree under your belt will IMMEDIATELY make you stand out and get your foot in the door. In my experience, people respected my EE degree more than others' CS degrees.  But I would say if you go for a Master's in CS, your primary motivation should be the skills, not  necessarily the degree.","human_ref_B":"Where is the question?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":23016.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"k60y0v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Masters in CS with a Bach in Mechanical Engineering.    Hi everyone, so I have a bachelor in mechanical engineering but since the final year of my degree that I've wanted to pursue a career as a software developer. Since I have basic knowledge in Visual Basic, C and Java, I talked to the main professor of the masters degree program in COMP SCI, at my university, and he told me that I could enroll in, as long as I took the 4 main classes from the undergrad curriculum. Those classes are \" Software engineering\", \"Data Bases\", \"Systems Architecture\" and \"Intro to programming\". So my question is, Do u think I should enroll in the masters program, or do something else ?  Extra: In my country the masters program is 2 years long and the tuitions aren\u00b4t as crazy as in the US.  Sorry if my English is not perfect, it's not my main language.","c_root_id_A":"gek0zpt","c_root_id_B":"gejd8zn","created_at_utc_A":1607049774,"created_at_utc_B":1607035388,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Switching to software development is probably less complicated and formal than you think.  As an Electronics Engineer, I've done firmware and software development, including at a web- and app-development firm.  Or my brother, for instance, had only a semester of college and worked as a video editor at several news organizations. He recently decided \"Naw, this isn't going anywhere\" and is currently in the latter half of a coding bootcamp.  At the web-development firm I worked in, a couple of them came from bootcamps. To my frustration, making pretty much the same as me. One of the guys I worked with closely never got a degree or formal training, but left the company to do his own contracts and make well into six figures.  Oh, and our resident \"AI Expert\" had a degree in physics and started at the company doing QA testing.  With software, the skills count almost entirely and formal education counts for comparatively little. Mind you, having an engineering degree under your belt will IMMEDIATELY make you stand out and get your foot in the door. In my experience, people respected my EE degree more than others' CS degrees.  But I would say if you go for a Master's in CS, your primary motivation should be the skills, not  necessarily the degree.","human_ref_B":"It's possible, if it's what you want to do for the money you could get paid go for it.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":14386.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"k60y0v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Masters in CS with a Bach in Mechanical Engineering.    Hi everyone, so I have a bachelor in mechanical engineering but since the final year of my degree that I've wanted to pursue a career as a software developer. Since I have basic knowledge in Visual Basic, C and Java, I talked to the main professor of the masters degree program in COMP SCI, at my university, and he told me that I could enroll in, as long as I took the 4 main classes from the undergrad curriculum. Those classes are \" Software engineering\", \"Data Bases\", \"Systems Architecture\" and \"Intro to programming\". So my question is, Do u think I should enroll in the masters program, or do something else ?  Extra: In my country the masters program is 2 years long and the tuitions aren\u00b4t as crazy as in the US.  Sorry if my English is not perfect, it's not my main language.","c_root_id_A":"geid1uq","c_root_id_B":"gej0dkt","created_at_utc_A":1607019558,"created_at_utc_B":1607029368,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"If you don't have any job experience you might just end up making yourself unemployable.","human_ref_B":"If tuition isn't crazy like in the US, go for it.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9810.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"k60y0v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Masters in CS with a Bach in Mechanical Engineering.    Hi everyone, so I have a bachelor in mechanical engineering but since the final year of my degree that I've wanted to pursue a career as a software developer. Since I have basic knowledge in Visual Basic, C and Java, I talked to the main professor of the masters degree program in COMP SCI, at my university, and he told me that I could enroll in, as long as I took the 4 main classes from the undergrad curriculum. Those classes are \" Software engineering\", \"Data Bases\", \"Systems Architecture\" and \"Intro to programming\". So my question is, Do u think I should enroll in the masters program, or do something else ?  Extra: In my country the masters program is 2 years long and the tuitions aren\u00b4t as crazy as in the US.  Sorry if my English is not perfect, it's not my main language.","c_root_id_A":"gej0dkt","c_root_id_B":"geitwhy","created_at_utc_A":1607029368,"created_at_utc_B":1607026758,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"If tuition isn't crazy like in the US, go for it.","human_ref_B":"Where is the question?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2610.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"k60y0v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Masters in CS with a Bach in Mechanical Engineering.    Hi everyone, so I have a bachelor in mechanical engineering but since the final year of my degree that I've wanted to pursue a career as a software developer. Since I have basic knowledge in Visual Basic, C and Java, I talked to the main professor of the masters degree program in COMP SCI, at my university, and he told me that I could enroll in, as long as I took the 4 main classes from the undergrad curriculum. Those classes are \" Software engineering\", \"Data Bases\", \"Systems Architecture\" and \"Intro to programming\". So my question is, Do u think I should enroll in the masters program, or do something else ?  Extra: In my country the masters program is 2 years long and the tuitions aren\u00b4t as crazy as in the US.  Sorry if my English is not perfect, it's not my main language.","c_root_id_A":"geid1uq","c_root_id_B":"gekazvm","created_at_utc_A":1607019558,"created_at_utc_B":1607056331,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"If you don't have any job experience you might just end up making yourself unemployable.","human_ref_B":"My friend did bsc mech. Msc aerospace. 2nd MSc CS.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":36773.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"k60y0v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Masters in CS with a Bach in Mechanical Engineering.    Hi everyone, so I have a bachelor in mechanical engineering but since the final year of my degree that I've wanted to pursue a career as a software developer. Since I have basic knowledge in Visual Basic, C and Java, I talked to the main professor of the masters degree program in COMP SCI, at my university, and he told me that I could enroll in, as long as I took the 4 main classes from the undergrad curriculum. Those classes are \" Software engineering\", \"Data Bases\", \"Systems Architecture\" and \"Intro to programming\". So my question is, Do u think I should enroll in the masters program, or do something else ?  Extra: In my country the masters program is 2 years long and the tuitions aren\u00b4t as crazy as in the US.  Sorry if my English is not perfect, it's not my main language.","c_root_id_A":"geitwhy","c_root_id_B":"gekazvm","created_at_utc_A":1607026758,"created_at_utc_B":1607056331,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Where is the question?","human_ref_B":"My friend did bsc mech. Msc aerospace. 2nd MSc CS.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":29573.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"k60y0v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Masters in CS with a Bach in Mechanical Engineering.    Hi everyone, so I have a bachelor in mechanical engineering but since the final year of my degree that I've wanted to pursue a career as a software developer. Since I have basic knowledge in Visual Basic, C and Java, I talked to the main professor of the masters degree program in COMP SCI, at my university, and he told me that I could enroll in, as long as I took the 4 main classes from the undergrad curriculum. Those classes are \" Software engineering\", \"Data Bases\", \"Systems Architecture\" and \"Intro to programming\". So my question is, Do u think I should enroll in the masters program, or do something else ?  Extra: In my country the masters program is 2 years long and the tuitions aren\u00b4t as crazy as in the US.  Sorry if my English is not perfect, it's not my main language.","c_root_id_A":"gejd8zn","c_root_id_B":"gekazvm","created_at_utc_A":1607035388,"created_at_utc_B":1607056331,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"It's possible, if it's what you want to do for the money you could get paid go for it.","human_ref_B":"My friend did bsc mech. Msc aerospace. 2nd MSc CS.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":20943.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"k60y0v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Masters in CS with a Bach in Mechanical Engineering.    Hi everyone, so I have a bachelor in mechanical engineering but since the final year of my degree that I've wanted to pursue a career as a software developer. Since I have basic knowledge in Visual Basic, C and Java, I talked to the main professor of the masters degree program in COMP SCI, at my university, and he told me that I could enroll in, as long as I took the 4 main classes from the undergrad curriculum. Those classes are \" Software engineering\", \"Data Bases\", \"Systems Architecture\" and \"Intro to programming\". So my question is, Do u think I should enroll in the masters program, or do something else ?  Extra: In my country the masters program is 2 years long and the tuitions aren\u00b4t as crazy as in the US.  Sorry if my English is not perfect, it's not my main language.","c_root_id_A":"geid1uq","c_root_id_B":"gekwqin","created_at_utc_A":1607019558,"created_at_utc_B":1607075652,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"If you don't have any job experience you might just end up making yourself unemployable.","human_ref_B":"I suggest a Mozart in CS instead","labels":0,"seconds_difference":56094.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"k60y0v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Masters in CS with a Bach in Mechanical Engineering.    Hi everyone, so I have a bachelor in mechanical engineering but since the final year of my degree that I've wanted to pursue a career as a software developer. Since I have basic knowledge in Visual Basic, C and Java, I talked to the main professor of the masters degree program in COMP SCI, at my university, and he told me that I could enroll in, as long as I took the 4 main classes from the undergrad curriculum. Those classes are \" Software engineering\", \"Data Bases\", \"Systems Architecture\" and \"Intro to programming\". So my question is, Do u think I should enroll in the masters program, or do something else ?  Extra: In my country the masters program is 2 years long and the tuitions aren\u00b4t as crazy as in the US.  Sorry if my English is not perfect, it's not my main language.","c_root_id_A":"geitwhy","c_root_id_B":"gekwqin","created_at_utc_A":1607026758,"created_at_utc_B":1607075652,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Where is the question?","human_ref_B":"I suggest a Mozart in CS instead","labels":0,"seconds_difference":48894.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"k60y0v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Masters in CS with a Bach in Mechanical Engineering.    Hi everyone, so I have a bachelor in mechanical engineering but since the final year of my degree that I've wanted to pursue a career as a software developer. Since I have basic knowledge in Visual Basic, C and Java, I talked to the main professor of the masters degree program in COMP SCI, at my university, and he told me that I could enroll in, as long as I took the 4 main classes from the undergrad curriculum. Those classes are \" Software engineering\", \"Data Bases\", \"Systems Architecture\" and \"Intro to programming\". So my question is, Do u think I should enroll in the masters program, or do something else ?  Extra: In my country the masters program is 2 years long and the tuitions aren\u00b4t as crazy as in the US.  Sorry if my English is not perfect, it's not my main language.","c_root_id_A":"gekwqin","c_root_id_B":"gejd8zn","created_at_utc_A":1607075652,"created_at_utc_B":1607035388,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I suggest a Mozart in CS instead","human_ref_B":"It's possible, if it's what you want to do for the money you could get paid go for it.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":40264.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"k60y0v","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Masters in CS with a Bach in Mechanical Engineering.    Hi everyone, so I have a bachelor in mechanical engineering but since the final year of my degree that I've wanted to pursue a career as a software developer. Since I have basic knowledge in Visual Basic, C and Java, I talked to the main professor of the masters degree program in COMP SCI, at my university, and he told me that I could enroll in, as long as I took the 4 main classes from the undergrad curriculum. Those classes are \" Software engineering\", \"Data Bases\", \"Systems Architecture\" and \"Intro to programming\". So my question is, Do u think I should enroll in the masters program, or do something else ?  Extra: In my country the masters program is 2 years long and the tuitions aren\u00b4t as crazy as in the US.  Sorry if my English is not perfect, it's not my main language.","c_root_id_A":"gekqxyc","c_root_id_B":"gekwqin","created_at_utc_A":1607069828,"created_at_utc_B":1607075652,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I have a bachelor in mechanical engineering and did a master in software development on the university of Glasgow. Got a job before I graduated.","human_ref_B":"I suggest a Mozart in CS instead","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5824.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"g0tvqj","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"What would be required to build a average sized sedan powered by mechanical wind-up mechanism to go 300-400 miles? I know it is not realistic, but I just had a random thought I had while locked up at home playing with my kids. What if someone could build a wind-up powered car that could go a useful distance? How large of a mechanism would be required? What would it take to wind it up? What other obstacles would there be to engineering such a vehicle?","c_root_id_A":"fnbsx0u","c_root_id_B":"fnbpq4g","created_at_utc_A":1586821682,"created_at_utc_B":1586819900,"score_A":41,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Spin up a disk made from a dense (heavy) element. 100k rpm in a vacuum sealed container. It will cut down on the size requirement","human_ref_B":"You would need a spring capable of storing that much energy. The size would just be a function of the mythical springs energy density.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1782.0,"score_ratio":5.8571428571}
{"post_id":"g0tvqj","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"What would be required to build a average sized sedan powered by mechanical wind-up mechanism to go 300-400 miles? I know it is not realistic, but I just had a random thought I had while locked up at home playing with my kids. What if someone could build a wind-up powered car that could go a useful distance? How large of a mechanism would be required? What would it take to wind it up? What other obstacles would there be to engineering such a vehicle?","c_root_id_A":"fnbrpr3","c_root_id_B":"fnbsx0u","created_at_utc_A":1586820997,"created_at_utc_B":1586821682,"score_A":4,"score_B":41,"human_ref_A":"I imagine low bridges and vehicle length would be issues due to the sheer size of it, with typical spring stuff. That would be a very very very big spring, and very very very dangerous if something were to let it release.","human_ref_B":"Spin up a disk made from a dense (heavy) element. 100k rpm in a vacuum sealed container. It will cut down on the size requirement","labels":0,"seconds_difference":685.0,"score_ratio":10.25}
{"post_id":"g0tvqj","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"What would be required to build a average sized sedan powered by mechanical wind-up mechanism to go 300-400 miles? I know it is not realistic, but I just had a random thought I had while locked up at home playing with my kids. What if someone could build a wind-up powered car that could go a useful distance? How large of a mechanism would be required? What would it take to wind it up? What other obstacles would there be to engineering such a vehicle?","c_root_id_A":"fnbpq4g","c_root_id_B":"fnbub0e","created_at_utc_A":1586819900,"created_at_utc_B":1586822467,"score_A":7,"score_B":30,"human_ref_A":"You would need a spring capable of storing that much energy. The size would just be a function of the mythical springs energy density.","human_ref_B":"We can try to calculate the size of the spring itself (it will also need energy harvesting mechanisms and support, but we'll just look at the spring.  One of the other people said a Tesla with a 100 kwh battery is about in the distance range you need.  100 kwh = 360,000 kJ  Wikipedia says that a good steel spring holds 3000 kJ\/m^3  360,000\/3000 = 120 m^3  A typical semi has a volume of about 90 m^3 so you would need well over a semi trailer worth of space (and mostly steel) to have enough energy to push a small car 350 miles.  According to that same wiki page, carbon nanotube springs have an energy density near 3.4*10^6 kJ\/m^3  360,000\/3,400,000 = 0.1m^3  So with some carbon nanotubes, it could theoretically be the sameish size as the Tesla battery.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2567.0,"score_ratio":4.2857142857}
{"post_id":"g0tvqj","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"What would be required to build a average sized sedan powered by mechanical wind-up mechanism to go 300-400 miles? I know it is not realistic, but I just had a random thought I had while locked up at home playing with my kids. What if someone could build a wind-up powered car that could go a useful distance? How large of a mechanism would be required? What would it take to wind it up? What other obstacles would there be to engineering such a vehicle?","c_root_id_A":"fnbrpr3","c_root_id_B":"fnbub0e","created_at_utc_A":1586820997,"created_at_utc_B":1586822467,"score_A":4,"score_B":30,"human_ref_A":"I imagine low bridges and vehicle length would be issues due to the sheer size of it, with typical spring stuff. That would be a very very very big spring, and very very very dangerous if something were to let it release.","human_ref_B":"We can try to calculate the size of the spring itself (it will also need energy harvesting mechanisms and support, but we'll just look at the spring.  One of the other people said a Tesla with a 100 kwh battery is about in the distance range you need.  100 kwh = 360,000 kJ  Wikipedia says that a good steel spring holds 3000 kJ\/m^3  360,000\/3000 = 120 m^3  A typical semi has a volume of about 90 m^3 so you would need well over a semi trailer worth of space (and mostly steel) to have enough energy to push a small car 350 miles.  According to that same wiki page, carbon nanotube springs have an energy density near 3.4*10^6 kJ\/m^3  360,000\/3,400,000 = 0.1m^3  So with some carbon nanotubes, it could theoretically be the sameish size as the Tesla battery.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1470.0,"score_ratio":7.5}
{"post_id":"g0tvqj","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"What would be required to build a average sized sedan powered by mechanical wind-up mechanism to go 300-400 miles? I know it is not realistic, but I just had a random thought I had while locked up at home playing with my kids. What if someone could build a wind-up powered car that could go a useful distance? How large of a mechanism would be required? What would it take to wind it up? What other obstacles would there be to engineering such a vehicle?","c_root_id_A":"fnbzb2n","c_root_id_B":"fnbpq4g","created_at_utc_A":1586825341,"created_at_utc_B":1586819900,"score_A":13,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"a flywheel would be the best solution.  this isnt too far off from what your would need.  winding mechanism would be additional weight.    https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Flywheel\\_energy\\_storage#NASA\\_G2\\_flywheel\\_for\\_spacecraft\\_energy\\_storage   ###  This was a design funded by NASA's Glenn Research Center and intended for component testing in a laboratory environment. It used a carbon fiber rim with a titanium hub designed to spin at 60,000 rpm, mounted on magnetic bearings. Weight was limited to 250 pounds. Storage was 525 W-hr (1.89 MJ) and could be charged or discharged at 1\u00a0kW.\\[36\\] The working model shown in the photograph at the top of the page ran at 41,000 rpm on September 2, 2004.\\[37\\]","human_ref_B":"You would need a spring capable of storing that much energy. The size would just be a function of the mythical springs energy density.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5441.0,"score_ratio":1.8571428571}
{"post_id":"g0tvqj","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"What would be required to build a average sized sedan powered by mechanical wind-up mechanism to go 300-400 miles? I know it is not realistic, but I just had a random thought I had while locked up at home playing with my kids. What if someone could build a wind-up powered car that could go a useful distance? How large of a mechanism would be required? What would it take to wind it up? What other obstacles would there be to engineering such a vehicle?","c_root_id_A":"fnbrpr3","c_root_id_B":"fnbzb2n","created_at_utc_A":1586820997,"created_at_utc_B":1586825341,"score_A":4,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"I imagine low bridges and vehicle length would be issues due to the sheer size of it, with typical spring stuff. That would be a very very very big spring, and very very very dangerous if something were to let it release.","human_ref_B":"a flywheel would be the best solution.  this isnt too far off from what your would need.  winding mechanism would be additional weight.    https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Flywheel\\_energy\\_storage#NASA\\_G2\\_flywheel\\_for\\_spacecraft\\_energy\\_storage   ###  This was a design funded by NASA's Glenn Research Center and intended for component testing in a laboratory environment. It used a carbon fiber rim with a titanium hub designed to spin at 60,000 rpm, mounted on magnetic bearings. Weight was limited to 250 pounds. Storage was 525 W-hr (1.89 MJ) and could be charged or discharged at 1\u00a0kW.\\[36\\] The working model shown in the photograph at the top of the page ran at 41,000 rpm on September 2, 2004.\\[37\\]","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4344.0,"score_ratio":3.25}
{"post_id":"g0tvqj","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"What would be required to build a average sized sedan powered by mechanical wind-up mechanism to go 300-400 miles? I know it is not realistic, but I just had a random thought I had while locked up at home playing with my kids. What if someone could build a wind-up powered car that could go a useful distance? How large of a mechanism would be required? What would it take to wind it up? What other obstacles would there be to engineering such a vehicle?","c_root_id_A":"fnc4kuq","c_root_id_B":"fnbrpr3","created_at_utc_A":1586828491,"created_at_utc_B":1586820997,"score_A":6,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"A 400 mile long gentle slope?","human_ref_B":"I imagine low bridges and vehicle length would be issues due to the sheer size of it, with typical spring stuff. That would be a very very very big spring, and very very very dangerous if something were to let it release.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7494.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"6ppsu9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"How does moving into consulting in the first 5 years of your career affect the rest of your career?","c_root_id_A":"dkrqswp","c_root_id_B":"dkriptc","created_at_utc_A":1501112858,"created_at_utc_B":1501103278,"score_A":39,"score_B":28,"human_ref_A":"It's made me cynical and depressed. Consultants are like lawyers- hired hands to get yelled at when things don't go the right way. The money is there but the job satisfaction is not.","human_ref_B":"What degree? What line is consulting\/sub sector or industry? What might your post consultants get career goals be?  There's a ton of engineering types out there and you threw a pretty broad question on top of it","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9580.0,"score_ratio":1.3928571429}
{"post_id":"6ppsu9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"How does moving into consulting in the first 5 years of your career affect the rest of your career?","c_root_id_A":"dkrqswp","c_root_id_B":"dkrkvzq","created_at_utc_A":1501112858,"created_at_utc_B":1501105680,"score_A":39,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"It's made me cynical and depressed. Consultants are like lawyers- hired hands to get yelled at when things don't go the right way. The money is there but the job satisfaction is not.","human_ref_B":"If you're in a consulting firm the main people behind the consulting have a lot of knowledge about whatever sector and industry you are in. Learn from them all you can because they were probably the best engineer at whatever firm you were in and are pretty good at solving problems.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7178.0,"score_ratio":3.9}
{"post_id":"6ppsu9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"How does moving into consulting in the first 5 years of your career affect the rest of your career?","c_root_id_A":"dkrxrl0","c_root_id_B":"dkrypo6","created_at_utc_A":1501121743,"created_at_utc_B":1501122967,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Be more specific. Are you talking about being an independent consultant or working for a consulting engineering firm?  I think if the latter there is no definite effect on a career.  If you are working indepenently the biggest thing you are giving up is mentorship. Even if you don't have a great of boss or mentor, having access to SMEs in your field will help you get a lot better. That said, if your field is sufficiently confusing for your clients and you have good sales skills, going on your own may not be a bad idea. You will almost certainly make more money and have the opportunity to hire people to work for you, which is pretty much the only way to really get rich in most engineering fields.","human_ref_B":"Most of the answers here deal with the topic of engineering consulting. I defer to them on that topic.   But on the other hand if you are thinking of business\/management route I can provide some insight. I've posted before I think engineering is a great background for consulting. You already know structured problem solving and analytics. I did ~5 years in manufacturing engineering then a master's, which technically was an MEng, then 6.5 in consulting. Before I went back to school I was a general salaried engineer, now 2 years back on industry I am Sr. Director\/VP level at a fortune 500 tier 1 auto supplier, that never would have happened for this fast without consulting. But I was also interested on getting over to the operations side of things.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1224.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"6ppsu9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"How does moving into consulting in the first 5 years of your career affect the rest of your career?","c_root_id_A":"dkry9jb","c_root_id_B":"dkrypo6","created_at_utc_A":1501122394,"created_at_utc_B":1501122967,"score_A":2,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"If you work for a design firm, you are technically a consultant. It's real engineering through and through, and will not negatively affect your career at all.","human_ref_B":"Most of the answers here deal with the topic of engineering consulting. I defer to them on that topic.   But on the other hand if you are thinking of business\/management route I can provide some insight. I've posted before I think engineering is a great background for consulting. You already know structured problem solving and analytics. I did ~5 years in manufacturing engineering then a master's, which technically was an MEng, then 6.5 in consulting. Before I went back to school I was a general salaried engineer, now 2 years back on industry I am Sr. Director\/VP level at a fortune 500 tier 1 auto supplier, that never would have happened for this fast without consulting. But I was also interested on getting over to the operations side of things.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":573.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"6ppsu9","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"How does moving into consulting in the first 5 years of your career affect the rest of your career?","c_root_id_A":"dkry9jb","c_root_id_B":"dksub0w","created_at_utc_A":1501122394,"created_at_utc_B":1501173956,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"If you work for a design firm, you are technically a consultant. It's real engineering through and through, and will not negatively affect your career at all.","human_ref_B":"I work in consulting currently and I am in the first 5 years of my career, so I can't speak to the rest of your life but the observation that it is sink or swim is spot on. I am in chemical engineering just as context for the next statements.  When a company hires a consultant, it is because either  A) the in house engineers can't solve a problem  B) the client has no engineers  Both lead to a situation where you are being asked broad, difficult questions with no exact solution, and being asked by people who don't have expertise in the problem. Ypur job is to take the difficult questions and turn them into answers for the nonexperts you work for.  When you are a consultant, you have to learn client management quick, and you need to be a quick learner. I had to become an expert in risk assessments in about two weeks for many different applications. I had to learn solidworks in a week. I had to learn 3d thermal modeling in a month. That's the lifestyle it can be sometimes. Occasionally you can be in a niche where you are just the best at something and get hired for it, but the moment you are you will have someone ask to use your skills in unconvential ways or in situations where they don't apply at all.  Also as others pointed out, you will be blamed for failure and never praised for success. You need to be self motivated because no clients will give it to you. Deadlines you can try to meet, but here is my experience:  Submit a document to the client for review before moving forward. Tell them they have 3 days before the schedule would get delayed.  Two weeks go by, the people say they don't have time to talk to the contractor, the document hasn't been reviewed by one person yet.  Another week goes by, your client's boss wants to know why work isn't moving forward, they say its because you havent worked on the project. The boss tells them to manage the contractor better.  You get asked why you are behind schedule. You can't really blame your client or you won't get paid, but at the same time you have to make a point and cover your ass. You point to the email from long ago, get told you should have let them know they needed to review, and then send it again for review.  Two days go by, everyone reviewed and says it's ok to move forward. Next step begins, but repeat until the end of the project.  Sometimes you get great clients, but don't expect it. But know that the best way to get results is to give respect to everyone, but don't take a punch without defending yourself  If you manage to swim, you will be a quick learner, a good project manager, and have a broad knowledge to draw from. The downside is that there is a very real chance you will sink. I would say going straight out if college to consulting is great because you are used to the lifestyle and studying still, but be prepared to fail.  I will say that one thing my company has going for it is that it's small, so it doesn't get gummed up by politics or bureaucracy. If you join a large firm be prepared that you might have to deal with that.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":51562.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"hgxfb6","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"Do I take a job paying $14k less or keep hoping for something better? I'm thinking this may apply to more than just myself. I was let go May 1 due to Covid cutbacks since my job as the ME\/PM wasn't critical to keep production running. I got 2 months severance which is about up and our first baby is 3 months away (end of Sept). We have some savings and were able to defer our mortgage for up to 6 months which helps a lot.  I have 15 years experience in machine design\/build and in manufacturing. I was making $98k after a meager increase earlier this year. There are not many ME\/PM jobs around especially that offer close to $100k. I got an offer for a PM role for $84k, with the hiring manager saying he can't go higher now, but can give me 6% increase over the first year. They also have bonus but no idea how much.  I\u2019m thinking I take the job but continue a more patient approach toward finding something better. I normally wouldn\u2019t do that to a company but at this point I need to do what\u2019s best for myself and family.   Just looking for other perspectives before I decide. It just feels like a punch to the gut taking a pay decrease.","c_root_id_A":"fw6qzxz","c_root_id_B":"fw6m5zx","created_at_utc_A":1593281104,"created_at_utc_B":1593278525,"score_A":40,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"Take the job. Right now it's not a $14k pay cut, it's an $84k raise.  You're not locked in there forever, you'll get back to your old salary. But right now it's most important to make ends meet.","human_ref_B":"Take the job. Keep looking.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2579.0,"score_ratio":3.0769230769}
{"post_id":"ikl9iq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Whats the kPa difference between two identically sized metal flanges Hi all the wise engineers of the Reddit!  We have a problem at work, based on our drawing we had to install 4000\/3 spec flanges on a tailing pipeline.  Our engineer then said that we can use 2500\/3 spec flanges as well because, size wise it is identical.  As far as I know the 4000 and 2500 numbers are for the kPa which is the pressure.  Why would two identical sized flanges have different kPa ratings?  Link to standard for guidelines:  https:\/\/www.fastenersonline.co.in\/sans-sabs-1123-flanges-standards-dimensions.html#:\\~:text=The%20British%20Standard%20SABS%20or,type%20flanges%2C%20in%20ten%20tables.   Thanks in advance","c_root_id_A":"g3ldcq7","c_root_id_B":"g3ldv2f","created_at_utc_A":1598971176,"created_at_utc_B":1598971371,"score_A":24,"score_B":42,"human_ref_A":"Why would you question that and be responsible if it fails?  &#x200B;  They might be identical and sold as different bins for marketing reasons, but they might also differ in geometry, material, whatever.  Never install weaker parts without proof it's still enough, especially not to save someone elses time or money.","human_ref_B":"They're most likely identical *in most dimensions* such as flange radius, bolt PCD etc.  They may not necessarily be exactly identical, but could be very similar. The difference is what they're tested to.  Anyway, if the drawing calls for 4000\/3 flanges, I would strongly suggest it does so for a reason. You might be fine with the lower rating, you might not.  I've seen an incident where a pipe coupling on a hydraulic system was substituted for a flanged joint by the shipyard and not caught as being different from the drawing. This caused no issues for over 20 years as the joint was on a low-pressure return line. However, a fault in the system lead to that pipe experiencing full system pressure, not surprisingly causing the joint to fail.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":195.0,"score_ratio":1.75}
{"post_id":"ikl9iq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Whats the kPa difference between two identically sized metal flanges Hi all the wise engineers of the Reddit!  We have a problem at work, based on our drawing we had to install 4000\/3 spec flanges on a tailing pipeline.  Our engineer then said that we can use 2500\/3 spec flanges as well because, size wise it is identical.  As far as I know the 4000 and 2500 numbers are for the kPa which is the pressure.  Why would two identical sized flanges have different kPa ratings?  Link to standard for guidelines:  https:\/\/www.fastenersonline.co.in\/sans-sabs-1123-flanges-standards-dimensions.html#:\\~:text=The%20British%20Standard%20SABS%20or,type%20flanges%2C%20in%20ten%20tables.   Thanks in advance","c_root_id_A":"g3ldv2f","c_root_id_B":"g3ldeit","created_at_utc_A":1598971371,"created_at_utc_B":1598971195,"score_A":42,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"They're most likely identical *in most dimensions* such as flange radius, bolt PCD etc.  They may not necessarily be exactly identical, but could be very similar. The difference is what they're tested to.  Anyway, if the drawing calls for 4000\/3 flanges, I would strongly suggest it does so for a reason. You might be fine with the lower rating, you might not.  I've seen an incident where a pipe coupling on a hydraulic system was substituted for a flanged joint by the shipyard and not caught as being different from the drawing. This caused no issues for over 20 years as the joint was on a low-pressure return line. However, a fault in the system lead to that pipe experiencing full system pressure, not surprisingly causing the joint to fail.","human_ref_B":"Material spec could be different - either different material, different heat treat, different quality (how tightly controlled the amount\/size of inclusions, grain size either absolute or variation) just to mind as two visually identical items could be different.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":176.0,"score_ratio":3.5}
{"post_id":"ikl9iq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Whats the kPa difference between two identically sized metal flanges Hi all the wise engineers of the Reddit!  We have a problem at work, based on our drawing we had to install 4000\/3 spec flanges on a tailing pipeline.  Our engineer then said that we can use 2500\/3 spec flanges as well because, size wise it is identical.  As far as I know the 4000 and 2500 numbers are for the kPa which is the pressure.  Why would two identical sized flanges have different kPa ratings?  Link to standard for guidelines:  https:\/\/www.fastenersonline.co.in\/sans-sabs-1123-flanges-standards-dimensions.html#:\\~:text=The%20British%20Standard%20SABS%20or,type%20flanges%2C%20in%20ten%20tables.   Thanks in advance","c_root_id_A":"g3ld0cj","c_root_id_B":"g3ldv2f","created_at_utc_A":1598971042,"created_at_utc_B":1598971371,"score_A":5,"score_B":42,"human_ref_A":"Are you sure the dimensions are 100% identical?","human_ref_B":"They're most likely identical *in most dimensions* such as flange radius, bolt PCD etc.  They may not necessarily be exactly identical, but could be very similar. The difference is what they're tested to.  Anyway, if the drawing calls for 4000\/3 flanges, I would strongly suggest it does so for a reason. You might be fine with the lower rating, you might not.  I've seen an incident where a pipe coupling on a hydraulic system was substituted for a flanged joint by the shipyard and not caught as being different from the drawing. This caused no issues for over 20 years as the joint was on a low-pressure return line. However, a fault in the system lead to that pipe experiencing full system pressure, not surprisingly causing the joint to fail.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":329.0,"score_ratio":8.4}
{"post_id":"ikl9iq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Whats the kPa difference between two identically sized metal flanges Hi all the wise engineers of the Reddit!  We have a problem at work, based on our drawing we had to install 4000\/3 spec flanges on a tailing pipeline.  Our engineer then said that we can use 2500\/3 spec flanges as well because, size wise it is identical.  As far as I know the 4000 and 2500 numbers are for the kPa which is the pressure.  Why would two identical sized flanges have different kPa ratings?  Link to standard for guidelines:  https:\/\/www.fastenersonline.co.in\/sans-sabs-1123-flanges-standards-dimensions.html#:\\~:text=The%20British%20Standard%20SABS%20or,type%20flanges%2C%20in%20ten%20tables.   Thanks in advance","c_root_id_A":"g3ldcq7","c_root_id_B":"g3ld0cj","created_at_utc_A":1598971176,"created_at_utc_B":1598971042,"score_A":24,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Why would you question that and be responsible if it fails?  &#x200B;  They might be identical and sold as different bins for marketing reasons, but they might also differ in geometry, material, whatever.  Never install weaker parts without proof it's still enough, especially not to save someone elses time or money.","human_ref_B":"Are you sure the dimensions are 100% identical?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":134.0,"score_ratio":4.8}
{"post_id":"ikl9iq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Whats the kPa difference between two identically sized metal flanges Hi all the wise engineers of the Reddit!  We have a problem at work, based on our drawing we had to install 4000\/3 spec flanges on a tailing pipeline.  Our engineer then said that we can use 2500\/3 spec flanges as well because, size wise it is identical.  As far as I know the 4000 and 2500 numbers are for the kPa which is the pressure.  Why would two identical sized flanges have different kPa ratings?  Link to standard for guidelines:  https:\/\/www.fastenersonline.co.in\/sans-sabs-1123-flanges-standards-dimensions.html#:\\~:text=The%20British%20Standard%20SABS%20or,type%20flanges%2C%20in%20ten%20tables.   Thanks in advance","c_root_id_A":"g3ld0cj","c_root_id_B":"g3ldeit","created_at_utc_A":1598971042,"created_at_utc_B":1598971195,"score_A":5,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"Are you sure the dimensions are 100% identical?","human_ref_B":"Material spec could be different - either different material, different heat treat, different quality (how tightly controlled the amount\/size of inclusions, grain size either absolute or variation) just to mind as two visually identical items could be different.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":153.0,"score_ratio":2.4}
{"post_id":"ikl9iq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Whats the kPa difference between two identically sized metal flanges Hi all the wise engineers of the Reddit!  We have a problem at work, based on our drawing we had to install 4000\/3 spec flanges on a tailing pipeline.  Our engineer then said that we can use 2500\/3 spec flanges as well because, size wise it is identical.  As far as I know the 4000 and 2500 numbers are for the kPa which is the pressure.  Why would two identical sized flanges have different kPa ratings?  Link to standard for guidelines:  https:\/\/www.fastenersonline.co.in\/sans-sabs-1123-flanges-standards-dimensions.html#:\\~:text=The%20British%20Standard%20SABS%20or,type%20flanges%2C%20in%20ten%20tables.   Thanks in advance","c_root_id_A":"g3ld0cj","c_root_id_B":"g3mstee","created_at_utc_A":1598971042,"created_at_utc_B":1598989981,"score_A":5,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Are you sure the dimensions are 100% identical?","human_ref_B":"If you have written confirmation from your engineer that the swap is acceptable, I think that\u2019s all you need to do.  Normally you would not substitute a lower rated component for a higher rated one since the ratings and corresponding wall thicknesses are based on temperature and pressure.  If the engineer determines the system is overdesigned and can handle the lower rated component, that\u2019s really all you\u2019re obligated to share from the quality standpoint.  If you want to know the details as to why, why not go back to ask for a more detailed response for your own clarity?  Make sure you phrase it in a way that asks for your own knowledge and not to question their judgement.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":18939.0,"score_ratio":1.2}
{"post_id":"ikl9iq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Whats the kPa difference between two identically sized metal flanges Hi all the wise engineers of the Reddit!  We have a problem at work, based on our drawing we had to install 4000\/3 spec flanges on a tailing pipeline.  Our engineer then said that we can use 2500\/3 spec flanges as well because, size wise it is identical.  As far as I know the 4000 and 2500 numbers are for the kPa which is the pressure.  Why would two identical sized flanges have different kPa ratings?  Link to standard for guidelines:  https:\/\/www.fastenersonline.co.in\/sans-sabs-1123-flanges-standards-dimensions.html#:\\~:text=The%20British%20Standard%20SABS%20or,type%20flanges%2C%20in%20ten%20tables.   Thanks in advance","c_root_id_A":"g3m0x3m","c_root_id_B":"g3mstee","created_at_utc_A":1598979797,"created_at_utc_B":1598989981,"score_A":3,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Are they made from the same material?","human_ref_B":"If you have written confirmation from your engineer that the swap is acceptable, I think that\u2019s all you need to do.  Normally you would not substitute a lower rated component for a higher rated one since the ratings and corresponding wall thicknesses are based on temperature and pressure.  If the engineer determines the system is overdesigned and can handle the lower rated component, that\u2019s really all you\u2019re obligated to share from the quality standpoint.  If you want to know the details as to why, why not go back to ask for a more detailed response for your own clarity?  Make sure you phrase it in a way that asks for your own knowledge and not to question their judgement.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10184.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"ikl9iq","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Whats the kPa difference between two identically sized metal flanges Hi all the wise engineers of the Reddit!  We have a problem at work, based on our drawing we had to install 4000\/3 spec flanges on a tailing pipeline.  Our engineer then said that we can use 2500\/3 spec flanges as well because, size wise it is identical.  As far as I know the 4000 and 2500 numbers are for the kPa which is the pressure.  Why would two identical sized flanges have different kPa ratings?  Link to standard for guidelines:  https:\/\/www.fastenersonline.co.in\/sans-sabs-1123-flanges-standards-dimensions.html#:\\~:text=The%20British%20Standard%20SABS%20or,type%20flanges%2C%20in%20ten%20tables.   Thanks in advance","c_root_id_A":"g3mpuj4","c_root_id_B":"g3mstee","created_at_utc_A":1598988911,"created_at_utc_B":1598989981,"score_A":2,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":">Why would two identical sized flanges have different kPa ratings?  Isn't it likely that different combinations of size \/ strength than your use case are sometimes required?    E.g. screws and similar items have multiple strength ratings for all sizes.","human_ref_B":"If you have written confirmation from your engineer that the swap is acceptable, I think that\u2019s all you need to do.  Normally you would not substitute a lower rated component for a higher rated one since the ratings and corresponding wall thicknesses are based on temperature and pressure.  If the engineer determines the system is overdesigned and can handle the lower rated component, that\u2019s really all you\u2019re obligated to share from the quality standpoint.  If you want to know the details as to why, why not go back to ask for a more detailed response for your own clarity?  Make sure you phrase it in a way that asks for your own knowledge and not to question their judgement.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1070.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"2aanpu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"As engineers, what are your opinions on the F-35 debacle? Is this just the type of situation that's demonstrated in this famous clip from Pentagon Wars? Were the consequences of trying to make a multi-role aircraft at fault here? What were the issues of the F-22 that the F-35 had to also bare the role as a air supremacy fighter? Why couldn't it be a sole ground support\/attack aircraft?","c_root_id_A":"cit6aq9","c_root_id_B":"cit5fnk","created_at_utc_A":1404961261,"created_at_utc_B":1404959343,"score_A":103,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Multi-role is proven to work, the F-16 and F-18 programs are proof enough of that.   One problem is that the F-35 is actually three aircraft pretending to be one. I haven't actually looked at the numbers, but if you divide the cost of the program by three, I doubt it's still the most expensive weapons program in history. So, I bet the cost problems are exaggerated to some extent because journalists never actually know what they're talking about.  Multi-role doesn't really overload a modern fighter with too many requirements, but trying to be three different jets at once clearly does. There are just too many compromises that have to be made in order to keep some semblance of part interchangeability between the different versions.  As far as performance, I think the main problem is that the \"all-stealth air force\" idea is a stupid one. Stealth is great, but it's more of a niche technology. For instance, a stealth air superiority fighter is a great idea. A stealth deep strike or SEAD aircraft is also a great idea. However, stealth makes a lot less sense for a lot of ground-attack missions, and pretty much no sense for CAS.   The design constraints placed on the F-35 by the stealth design prevent it from being as good at these roles as people expected it to be. It simply can't carry enough stuff internally to be able to do missions the same way the F-16 or F-18 can. Those are more successful as multi-role aircraft because you can load them very heavily for a strike mission, or load them more lightly for an air superiority mission. The F-35 had to be designed lightly for the air superiority mission, but then fattened so it had a prayer of doing ground-attack. But because of the stealth restrictions, it can't do a very good job of that mission. So it ends up being an all-round turd.  The other problem is the classic American acquisitions problem of asking for the moon. They decide to include all these nonexistent technologies as key features of the new aircraft. You end up with a hybrid production-design\/research project. Research projects always take longer than you expect, which means going over-budget. But now you're doing your research on a full production scale, which means instead of spending $4 million when you thought it would be $2 million, those numbers start with a 'b'. The fact that you're doing this with not just one technology, but 20, and trying to make all these brand-new things work together at the same time, means you're fucked for sure. There's just no way to do that without it turning into a disaster. We really need to do more small-scale research at high TRL before we decide to include this stuff in front-line hardware.","human_ref_B":"I don't think the problem was the design. Most of the technology for the 3 variants makes sense to interchange between each other and still be under the same F-35 name (minus the lift system of course). We know the harrier is extremely obsolete and in need of a successor, and the F-35B is a great replacement.  The problem came with the production choices. First off, the budget cuts caused one of the two engines being developed to be, quite literally, scraped. In addition to being manufactured separately than the current engine, the design differences would provide much more stability in fleet, eliminating the 'ground the fleet because of one engine fire' situation. Plus congressional pandering split up the production making it highly inefficient and costly; production is spread out over 45 states.  Making it multi-role, in theory, should have lowered long term costs. Theoretically more nations would be interested in buying in because the chance of it meeting their needs is higher, and the service on them would be more accessible do to the larger quantity. But I don't know much about this stuff, so I'm just speculating.   Also the not actually being stealth is very disappointing, but from what I've heard there was really no way to predict that.  All in all, I think we need the F-35. Our current technology is extremely old, and is essentially being dissected and upgraded in pieces when it is better to just start fresh. However, I also believe the F-22 should remain in production, as that is a great aircraft and can do things the F-35 just isn't designed for.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1918.0,"score_ratio":14.7142857143}
{"post_id":"2aanpu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"As engineers, what are your opinions on the F-35 debacle? Is this just the type of situation that's demonstrated in this famous clip from Pentagon Wars? Were the consequences of trying to make a multi-role aircraft at fault here? What were the issues of the F-22 that the F-35 had to also bare the role as a air supremacy fighter? Why couldn't it be a sole ground support\/attack aircraft?","c_root_id_A":"cit7b38","c_root_id_B":"cit5fnk","created_at_utc_A":1404963422,"created_at_utc_B":1404959343,"score_A":12,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"I think everyone has forgotten about the F-16 was when it first came out. The lightweight fighter had its weight increased significantly between the prototype and the production model. The early models had stall problems and were falling out of the sky. Today, it's one of the most prolific Western fighters.","human_ref_B":"I don't think the problem was the design. Most of the technology for the 3 variants makes sense to interchange between each other and still be under the same F-35 name (minus the lift system of course). We know the harrier is extremely obsolete and in need of a successor, and the F-35B is a great replacement.  The problem came with the production choices. First off, the budget cuts caused one of the two engines being developed to be, quite literally, scraped. In addition to being manufactured separately than the current engine, the design differences would provide much more stability in fleet, eliminating the 'ground the fleet because of one engine fire' situation. Plus congressional pandering split up the production making it highly inefficient and costly; production is spread out over 45 states.  Making it multi-role, in theory, should have lowered long term costs. Theoretically more nations would be interested in buying in because the chance of it meeting their needs is higher, and the service on them would be more accessible do to the larger quantity. But I don't know much about this stuff, so I'm just speculating.   Also the not actually being stealth is very disappointing, but from what I've heard there was really no way to predict that.  All in all, I think we need the F-35. Our current technology is extremely old, and is essentially being dissected and upgraded in pieces when it is better to just start fresh. However, I also believe the F-22 should remain in production, as that is a great aircraft and can do things the F-35 just isn't designed for.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4079.0,"score_ratio":1.7142857143}
{"post_id":"2aanpu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"As engineers, what are your opinions on the F-35 debacle? Is this just the type of situation that's demonstrated in this famous clip from Pentagon Wars? Were the consequences of trying to make a multi-role aircraft at fault here? What were the issues of the F-22 that the F-35 had to also bare the role as a air supremacy fighter? Why couldn't it be a sole ground support\/attack aircraft?","c_root_id_A":"citbkr4","c_root_id_B":"cit5fnk","created_at_utc_A":1404975303,"created_at_utc_B":1404959343,"score_A":11,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"It's being completely overblown by people with an axe to grind.","human_ref_B":"I don't think the problem was the design. Most of the technology for the 3 variants makes sense to interchange between each other and still be under the same F-35 name (minus the lift system of course). We know the harrier is extremely obsolete and in need of a successor, and the F-35B is a great replacement.  The problem came with the production choices. First off, the budget cuts caused one of the two engines being developed to be, quite literally, scraped. In addition to being manufactured separately than the current engine, the design differences would provide much more stability in fleet, eliminating the 'ground the fleet because of one engine fire' situation. Plus congressional pandering split up the production making it highly inefficient and costly; production is spread out over 45 states.  Making it multi-role, in theory, should have lowered long term costs. Theoretically more nations would be interested in buying in because the chance of it meeting their needs is higher, and the service on them would be more accessible do to the larger quantity. But I don't know much about this stuff, so I'm just speculating.   Also the not actually being stealth is very disappointing, but from what I've heard there was really no way to predict that.  All in all, I think we need the F-35. Our current technology is extremely old, and is essentially being dissected and upgraded in pieces when it is better to just start fresh. However, I also believe the F-22 should remain in production, as that is a great aircraft and can do things the F-35 just isn't designed for.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":15960.0,"score_ratio":1.5714285714}
{"post_id":"dexxw0","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"Aluminum smelting cells - why not put a big hunkin heat exchanger on the top From what i've seen of heat exchangers  on smelting cells in my country, that 50% of heat lost to keeping the cryolite bath frozen is just lost to the atmosphere.   Why not put a heat exchanger and get some back with a thermoelectric system or a turbine  on top? i dunno it just always seemed kinda dumb to me","c_root_id_A":"f305fco","c_root_id_B":"f3093t9","created_at_utc_A":1570546816,"created_at_utc_B":1570549203,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"exhaust gas boilers and economizers on ships and power plants have a lower limit where if they cool too low you will hit a dew point that allows corrosive acids to form. Maybe something similar would happen\ud83e\udd37\ud83c\udffc\u200d\u2642\ufe0f","human_ref_B":"You could probably use the heat in an aluminium plant for something useful. But, there is one thing you do not want anywhere near liquid aluminium: Water.  Water introduced to liquid aluminium is an explosive, and I\u2019ve been told the explosive effect is three times that of TNT. I\u2019ve worked in a cast house and seen first hand that a tiny amount of moisture (less than a drop) causes an explosion similar to a gun shot. So, the heat exchanger better be based on air or an inert gas.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2387.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"9az5iu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"Job was offered without interview need help with how to go about handling it Hello,  I recently received an email from a 3rd party company that saw my application for a mechanical engineering job however, the company needs some info like social security for the other company that is doing the actual hiring to do a background check. The strange thing is that I havent even done an interview yet I dont know anything about the job outside a general job description and, its really hard getting into contact with anyone about the details of the job.   What do you all think? Should i just pass on it? It seems strange to me to be asking such information without knowing much.","c_root_id_A":"e4z3fyr","c_root_id_B":"e4z3gvj","created_at_utc_A":1535464905,"created_at_utc_B":1535464930,"score_A":7,"score_B":202,"human_ref_A":"I cant see why they would need your social. If you are intrigued by the offer I would keep trying to contact them. Better to get confirmation.","human_ref_B":"Sounds like a scam to me","labels":0,"seconds_difference":25.0,"score_ratio":28.8571428571}
{"post_id":"9az5iu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"Job was offered without interview need help with how to go about handling it Hello,  I recently received an email from a 3rd party company that saw my application for a mechanical engineering job however, the company needs some info like social security for the other company that is doing the actual hiring to do a background check. The strange thing is that I havent even done an interview yet I dont know anything about the job outside a general job description and, its really hard getting into contact with anyone about the details of the job.   What do you all think? Should i just pass on it? It seems strange to me to be asking such information without knowing much.","c_root_id_A":"e4z41dm","c_root_id_B":"e4z54ja","created_at_utc_A":1535465471,"created_at_utc_B":1535466486,"score_A":33,"score_B":153,"human_ref_A":"Sounds like they are just taking advantage of the fact that you are looking for a job to build a file on you. I wouldn't give them shit until they put you in contact with the company actually hiring.  &#x200B;  This is why I don't use or keep in contact with these people.","human_ref_B":"If they're asking for social security number then its a scam trying to do identity theft. NEVER give your social security number until you get the job.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1015.0,"score_ratio":4.6363636364}
{"post_id":"9az5iu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"Job was offered without interview need help with how to go about handling it Hello,  I recently received an email from a 3rd party company that saw my application for a mechanical engineering job however, the company needs some info like social security for the other company that is doing the actual hiring to do a background check. The strange thing is that I havent even done an interview yet I dont know anything about the job outside a general job description and, its really hard getting into contact with anyone about the details of the job.   What do you all think? Should i just pass on it? It seems strange to me to be asking such information without knowing much.","c_root_id_A":"e4z54ja","c_root_id_B":"e4z3fyr","created_at_utc_A":1535466486,"created_at_utc_B":1535464905,"score_A":153,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"If they're asking for social security number then its a scam trying to do identity theft. NEVER give your social security number until you get the job.","human_ref_B":"I cant see why they would need your social. If you are intrigued by the offer I would keep trying to contact them. Better to get confirmation.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1581.0,"score_ratio":21.8571428571}
{"post_id":"9az5iu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"Job was offered without interview need help with how to go about handling it Hello,  I recently received an email from a 3rd party company that saw my application for a mechanical engineering job however, the company needs some info like social security for the other company that is doing the actual hiring to do a background check. The strange thing is that I havent even done an interview yet I dont know anything about the job outside a general job description and, its really hard getting into contact with anyone about the details of the job.   What do you all think? Should i just pass on it? It seems strange to me to be asking such information without knowing much.","c_root_id_A":"e4z3fyr","c_root_id_B":"e4z41dm","created_at_utc_A":1535464905,"created_at_utc_B":1535465471,"score_A":7,"score_B":33,"human_ref_A":"I cant see why they would need your social. If you are intrigued by the offer I would keep trying to contact them. Better to get confirmation.","human_ref_B":"Sounds like they are just taking advantage of the fact that you are looking for a job to build a file on you. I wouldn't give them shit until they put you in contact with the company actually hiring.  &#x200B;  This is why I don't use or keep in contact with these people.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":566.0,"score_ratio":4.7142857143}
{"post_id":"9az5iu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"Job was offered without interview need help with how to go about handling it Hello,  I recently received an email from a 3rd party company that saw my application for a mechanical engineering job however, the company needs some info like social security for the other company that is doing the actual hiring to do a background check. The strange thing is that I havent even done an interview yet I dont know anything about the job outside a general job description and, its really hard getting into contact with anyone about the details of the job.   What do you all think? Should i just pass on it? It seems strange to me to be asking such information without knowing much.","c_root_id_A":"e4z3fyr","c_root_id_B":"e4z948p","created_at_utc_A":1535464905,"created_at_utc_B":1535470065,"score_A":7,"score_B":18,"human_ref_A":"I cant see why they would need your social. If you are intrigued by the offer I would keep trying to contact them. Better to get confirmation.","human_ref_B":"I was actually contacted by a recruiter who wanted my social security number. I said I don\u2019t feel comfortable giving that, and they used my phone number for whatever purpose. The job turned out to be legitimate and was interviewed by the hiring manager. Don\u2019t give your ssn by any means, if it\u2019s legit, they don\u2019t need it.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5160.0,"score_ratio":2.5714285714}
{"post_id":"9az5iu","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"Job was offered without interview need help with how to go about handling it Hello,  I recently received an email from a 3rd party company that saw my application for a mechanical engineering job however, the company needs some info like social security for the other company that is doing the actual hiring to do a background check. The strange thing is that I havent even done an interview yet I dont know anything about the job outside a general job description and, its really hard getting into contact with anyone about the details of the job.   What do you all think? Should i just pass on it? It seems strange to me to be asking such information without knowing much.","c_root_id_A":"e50969i","c_root_id_B":"e4zc07t","created_at_utc_A":1535501501,"created_at_utc_B":1535472565,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"There is no job in the US that requires you to hand over your social security before you are hired. Any place that *did* require it, would be able to look it up themselves (i.e. the government).","human_ref_B":"Interviews are a two way street. Maybe ask to see the facilities and meet with the team to see if you would be a good culture fit. Don't give them any confidential information until you confirm they are real.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":28936.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"a7o54g","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"How does the bypass in a turbofan contribute to thrust? It's embarrassing to admit that I've finished a masters degree in AE without really understanding this. Could someone explain how the bypass part of a turbofan engine contributes to thrust?  I've always been told that the compressed air expanding out the back of the engine cusses the thrust. Makes sense, but some work had to go into compressing the air in the first place, and I would think that compressing the air would take kinetic energy away from the airplane. So in a best case it's a net zero. Where does the thurst come from?","c_root_id_A":"ec4g62p","c_root_id_B":"ec4fu45","created_at_utc_A":1545239682,"created_at_utc_B":1545239427,"score_A":15,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Are you clear how a turboprop works?  OK, now take that and put the prop in a shroud, add a few more blades, and maybe shrink the diameter and speed up the RPM.  You now have a turbofan.","human_ref_B":"Thrust is best examined from the perspective of momentum\u2013mv. However, turbines are best examined in terms of energy; for kinetic energy that's 1\/2 mv^(2).   You can make a jet engine that's just the minimum components to have a turbine driving a compressor. That's a turbojet. The problem you run into is that you have relatively little air going extremely fast. There's a ton of energy, but only modest momentum and therefore modest thrust (compared to fuel consumption; turbojets can have incredible thrust but they burn more fuel to get it).    Turbofans take that design and beef up the turbine to extract much more energy from the core flow.  That energy, in turn, is used to drive the fan to move a large volume of bypass air at a slower speed.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":255.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"a7o54g","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"How does the bypass in a turbofan contribute to thrust? It's embarrassing to admit that I've finished a masters degree in AE without really understanding this. Could someone explain how the bypass part of a turbofan engine contributes to thrust?  I've always been told that the compressed air expanding out the back of the engine cusses the thrust. Makes sense, but some work had to go into compressing the air in the first place, and I would think that compressing the air would take kinetic energy away from the airplane. So in a best case it's a net zero. Where does the thurst come from?","c_root_id_A":"ec4eykh","c_root_id_B":"ec4g62p","created_at_utc_A":1545238764,"created_at_utc_B":1545239682,"score_A":3,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"The bypass is most of the thrust. That's why we are seeing higher and higher bypass ratio turbofan engines. Helps to increase efficiency. I like to think of the fan as a crazy propeller in a way","human_ref_B":"Are you clear how a turboprop works?  OK, now take that and put the prop in a shroud, add a few more blades, and maybe shrink the diameter and speed up the RPM.  You now have a turbofan.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":918.0,"score_ratio":5.0}
{"post_id":"a7o54g","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.84,"history":"How does the bypass in a turbofan contribute to thrust? It's embarrassing to admit that I've finished a masters degree in AE without really understanding this. Could someone explain how the bypass part of a turbofan engine contributes to thrust?  I've always been told that the compressed air expanding out the back of the engine cusses the thrust. Makes sense, but some work had to go into compressing the air in the first place, and I would think that compressing the air would take kinetic energy away from the airplane. So in a best case it's a net zero. Where does the thurst come from?","c_root_id_A":"ec4eykh","c_root_id_B":"ec4fu45","created_at_utc_A":1545238764,"created_at_utc_B":1545239427,"score_A":3,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"The bypass is most of the thrust. That's why we are seeing higher and higher bypass ratio turbofan engines. Helps to increase efficiency. I like to think of the fan as a crazy propeller in a way","human_ref_B":"Thrust is best examined from the perspective of momentum\u2013mv. However, turbines are best examined in terms of energy; for kinetic energy that's 1\/2 mv^(2).   You can make a jet engine that's just the minimum components to have a turbine driving a compressor. That's a turbojet. The problem you run into is that you have relatively little air going extremely fast. There's a ton of energy, but only modest momentum and therefore modest thrust (compared to fuel consumption; turbojets can have incredible thrust but they burn more fuel to get it).    Turbofans take that design and beef up the turbine to extract much more energy from the core flow.  That energy, in turn, is used to drive the fan to move a large volume of bypass air at a slower speed.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":663.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"b0do9g","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.78,"history":"Drug testing in the renewable energy industry? Hi all. I'm about to graduate with my BA in electrical engineering, with the specific goal of working with renewable energy technology (very interested in the energy storage side of things but I really just want to work in the industry so I'm flexible). I have dealt with horrible insomnia since I was a little kid, and the one thing I've found works long-term and consistently is smoking a lil puff an hour or so before bed. I've been doing this for 5 years, held down an engineering internship for the past 2 years, and have a 3.6 in my field, so for those of you who would immediately get high and mighty about how I'm \"in the wrong major\" and \"prioritizing a short term habit over a long term career\", I'm really not interested in hearing it so kindly move along. My BF and I (for reasons unrelated to weed) are looking at jobs in CO. I'm just wondering, because I can't find a lot of info online about this: does anyone work in the renewable energy industry, especially in CO, and what is the testing like? Like I said, my use is literally about facilitating sleep, so while I can and have given it up for periods of time before, I'd rather not have to give it up entirely and I'm hoping this field is a little more lenient towards marijuana smoking. Any and all advice is helpful! Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"eie2adr","c_root_id_B":"eiec17x","created_at_utc_A":1552432757,"created_at_utc_B":1552439635,"score_A":3,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"If a company has DoE or other USG contracts it\u2019s likely that they are required to maintain a drug testing program. It doesn\u2019t matter if they\u2019d like to not test, they will be required to meet some standard for testing.  A prescription is a bad idea because searching for that makes you an easily screenable candidate (I\u2019m pretty sure the fed gets you on a list for that regardless of HIPAA laws).  In general, most engineering jobs will test when you\u2019re hired and then only test again if they\u2019re suspicious of you and\/or you\u2019re in\/near an accident.  They WILL piss test you for insurance reasons if there is an accident.","human_ref_B":"I've been drug tested for every engineering job I've ever had... the non-engineering ones too  Stop smoking or use someone elses pee","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6878.0,"score_ratio":2.3333333333}
{"post_id":"b0do9g","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.78,"history":"Drug testing in the renewable energy industry? Hi all. I'm about to graduate with my BA in electrical engineering, with the specific goal of working with renewable energy technology (very interested in the energy storage side of things but I really just want to work in the industry so I'm flexible). I have dealt with horrible insomnia since I was a little kid, and the one thing I've found works long-term and consistently is smoking a lil puff an hour or so before bed. I've been doing this for 5 years, held down an engineering internship for the past 2 years, and have a 3.6 in my field, so for those of you who would immediately get high and mighty about how I'm \"in the wrong major\" and \"prioritizing a short term habit over a long term career\", I'm really not interested in hearing it so kindly move along. My BF and I (for reasons unrelated to weed) are looking at jobs in CO. I'm just wondering, because I can't find a lot of info online about this: does anyone work in the renewable energy industry, especially in CO, and what is the testing like? Like I said, my use is literally about facilitating sleep, so while I can and have given it up for periods of time before, I'd rather not have to give it up entirely and I'm hoping this field is a little more lenient towards marijuana smoking. Any and all advice is helpful! Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"eie2adr","c_root_id_B":"eie8b55","created_at_utc_A":1552432757,"created_at_utc_B":1552437012,"score_A":3,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"If a company has DoE or other USG contracts it\u2019s likely that they are required to maintain a drug testing program. It doesn\u2019t matter if they\u2019d like to not test, they will be required to meet some standard for testing.  A prescription is a bad idea because searching for that makes you an easily screenable candidate (I\u2019m pretty sure the fed gets you on a list for that regardless of HIPAA laws).  In general, most engineering jobs will test when you\u2019re hired and then only test again if they\u2019re suspicious of you and\/or you\u2019re in\/near an accident.  They WILL piss test you for insurance reasons if there is an accident.","human_ref_B":"As others have said, you won't see the inside of a jobsite or get a federal job unless you're clean.  It doesn't mean your chances are zero, but you're putting up barriers that reduce your probability in a competitive industry.  I used to tell guys under me, being able to piss clean puts you in front of 50-70% of everyone else. You are literally in the front of the line.  From a business standpoint, that's a huge competitive advantage.  &#x200B;  The keys to being successful in any industry are, in this exact order.  &#x200B;  1. Show up 2. Be dependable 3. Have a great attitude 4. Be proficient  Each step beats 50% of your competition.  Not being able to pass a drug test means you can't even show up.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4255.0,"score_ratio":2.3333333333}
{"post_id":"snzp3y","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.7,"history":"What maths is used in Bridge engineering? Hi all,  I hope everyone is doing well.  I was just wondering what maths do bridge engineers do? For example, do they use algebra ( quadratic, simultaneous equations etc)?  Btw I'm from the UK.  Thanks, AspiringEngineer89","c_root_id_A":"hw68ee4","c_root_id_B":"hw5scib","created_at_utc_A":1644374686,"created_at_utc_B":1644367854,"score_A":52,"score_B":29,"human_ref_A":"Not dynamics, hopefully","human_ref_B":"That\u2019s a lot of statics at a fundamental level. Good amount of advanced algebra and a lot of trigonometry. Very limited calculus.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6832.0,"score_ratio":1.7931034483}
{"post_id":"snzp3y","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.7,"history":"What maths is used in Bridge engineering? Hi all,  I hope everyone is doing well.  I was just wondering what maths do bridge engineers do? For example, do they use algebra ( quadratic, simultaneous equations etc)?  Btw I'm from the UK.  Thanks, AspiringEngineer89","c_root_id_A":"hw68ee4","c_root_id_B":"hw5yvem","created_at_utc_A":1644374686,"created_at_utc_B":1644370659,"score_A":52,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"Not dynamics, hopefully","human_ref_B":"How old are you? I would say you need a full foundation of algebra, calculus, differential equations, statics, physics, possibly linear algebra, trigonometry, geometry. Most stuff you'll use will be in a program like autocad. Programming is important now for everything.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4027.0,"score_ratio":5.2}
{"post_id":"snzp3y","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.7,"history":"What maths is used in Bridge engineering? Hi all,  I hope everyone is doing well.  I was just wondering what maths do bridge engineers do? For example, do they use algebra ( quadratic, simultaneous equations etc)?  Btw I'm from the UK.  Thanks, AspiringEngineer89","c_root_id_A":"hw68ee4","c_root_id_B":"hw662bd","created_at_utc_A":1644374686,"created_at_utc_B":1644373711,"score_A":52,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"Not dynamics, hopefully","human_ref_B":"Stop wondering bout London bridge falling innit","labels":1,"seconds_difference":975.0,"score_ratio":4.7272727273}
{"post_id":"snzp3y","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.7,"history":"What maths is used in Bridge engineering? Hi all,  I hope everyone is doing well.  I was just wondering what maths do bridge engineers do? For example, do they use algebra ( quadratic, simultaneous equations etc)?  Btw I'm from the UK.  Thanks, AspiringEngineer89","c_root_id_A":"hw619zy","c_root_id_B":"hw68ee4","created_at_utc_A":1644371697,"created_at_utc_B":1644374686,"score_A":3,"score_B":52,"human_ref_A":"Lots of statics and deform calculations so algebra and calc which is from algebra","human_ref_B":"Not dynamics, hopefully","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2989.0,"score_ratio":17.3333333333}
{"post_id":"snzp3y","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.7,"history":"What maths is used in Bridge engineering? Hi all,  I hope everyone is doing well.  I was just wondering what maths do bridge engineers do? For example, do they use algebra ( quadratic, simultaneous equations etc)?  Btw I'm from the UK.  Thanks, AspiringEngineer89","c_root_id_A":"hw68ee4","c_root_id_B":"hw5xf65","created_at_utc_A":1644374686,"created_at_utc_B":1644370036,"score_A":52,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Not dynamics, hopefully","human_ref_B":"Force = mass * acceleration  Point loads, moments, eventually ratings   (I\u2019m a bridge engineer but I\u2019m in the field)","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4650.0,"score_ratio":26.0}
{"post_id":"snzp3y","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.7,"history":"What maths is used in Bridge engineering? Hi all,  I hope everyone is doing well.  I was just wondering what maths do bridge engineers do? For example, do they use algebra ( quadratic, simultaneous equations etc)?  Btw I'm from the UK.  Thanks, AspiringEngineer89","c_root_id_A":"hw65hzt","c_root_id_B":"hw68ee4","created_at_utc_A":1644373474,"created_at_utc_B":1644374686,"score_A":2,"score_B":52,"human_ref_A":"Statics, lots of code, and strength of material.  Prepare to look at a code book with many equations.  I would get a steel manual guide and some of those structural code books. My old coworker had a few since he was a structural engineer.","human_ref_B":"Not dynamics, hopefully","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1212.0,"score_ratio":26.0}
{"post_id":"snzp3y","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.7,"history":"What maths is used in Bridge engineering? Hi all,  I hope everyone is doing well.  I was just wondering what maths do bridge engineers do? For example, do they use algebra ( quadratic, simultaneous equations etc)?  Btw I'm from the UK.  Thanks, AspiringEngineer89","c_root_id_A":"hw662bd","c_root_id_B":"hw5yvem","created_at_utc_A":1644373711,"created_at_utc_B":1644370659,"score_A":11,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"Stop wondering bout London bridge falling innit","human_ref_B":"How old are you? I would say you need a full foundation of algebra, calculus, differential equations, statics, physics, possibly linear algebra, trigonometry, geometry. Most stuff you'll use will be in a program like autocad. Programming is important now for everything.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3052.0,"score_ratio":1.1}
{"post_id":"snzp3y","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.7,"history":"What maths is used in Bridge engineering? Hi all,  I hope everyone is doing well.  I was just wondering what maths do bridge engineers do? For example, do they use algebra ( quadratic, simultaneous equations etc)?  Btw I'm from the UK.  Thanks, AspiringEngineer89","c_root_id_A":"hw5xf65","c_root_id_B":"hw5yvem","created_at_utc_A":1644370036,"created_at_utc_B":1644370659,"score_A":2,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"Force = mass * acceleration  Point loads, moments, eventually ratings   (I\u2019m a bridge engineer but I\u2019m in the field)","human_ref_B":"How old are you? I would say you need a full foundation of algebra, calculus, differential equations, statics, physics, possibly linear algebra, trigonometry, geometry. Most stuff you'll use will be in a program like autocad. Programming is important now for everything.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":623.0,"score_ratio":5.0}
{"post_id":"snzp3y","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.7,"history":"What maths is used in Bridge engineering? Hi all,  I hope everyone is doing well.  I was just wondering what maths do bridge engineers do? For example, do they use algebra ( quadratic, simultaneous equations etc)?  Btw I'm from the UK.  Thanks, AspiringEngineer89","c_root_id_A":"hw662bd","c_root_id_B":"hw619zy","created_at_utc_A":1644373711,"created_at_utc_B":1644371697,"score_A":11,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Stop wondering bout London bridge falling innit","human_ref_B":"Lots of statics and deform calculations so algebra and calc which is from algebra","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2014.0,"score_ratio":3.6666666667}
{"post_id":"snzp3y","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.7,"history":"What maths is used in Bridge engineering? Hi all,  I hope everyone is doing well.  I was just wondering what maths do bridge engineers do? For example, do they use algebra ( quadratic, simultaneous equations etc)?  Btw I'm from the UK.  Thanks, AspiringEngineer89","c_root_id_A":"hw5xf65","c_root_id_B":"hw662bd","created_at_utc_A":1644370036,"created_at_utc_B":1644373711,"score_A":2,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"Force = mass * acceleration  Point loads, moments, eventually ratings   (I\u2019m a bridge engineer but I\u2019m in the field)","human_ref_B":"Stop wondering bout London bridge falling innit","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3675.0,"score_ratio":5.5}
{"post_id":"snzp3y","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.7,"history":"What maths is used in Bridge engineering? Hi all,  I hope everyone is doing well.  I was just wondering what maths do bridge engineers do? For example, do they use algebra ( quadratic, simultaneous equations etc)?  Btw I'm from the UK.  Thanks, AspiringEngineer89","c_root_id_A":"hw662bd","c_root_id_B":"hw65hzt","created_at_utc_A":1644373711,"created_at_utc_B":1644373474,"score_A":11,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Stop wondering bout London bridge falling innit","human_ref_B":"Statics, lots of code, and strength of material.  Prepare to look at a code book with many equations.  I would get a steel manual guide and some of those structural code books. My old coworker had a few since he was a structural engineer.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":237.0,"score_ratio":5.5}
{"post_id":"snzp3y","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.7,"history":"What maths is used in Bridge engineering? Hi all,  I hope everyone is doing well.  I was just wondering what maths do bridge engineers do? For example, do they use algebra ( quadratic, simultaneous equations etc)?  Btw I'm from the UK.  Thanks, AspiringEngineer89","c_root_id_A":"hw619zy","c_root_id_B":"hw6azai","created_at_utc_A":1644371697,"created_at_utc_B":1644375773,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Lots of statics and deform calculations so algebra and calc which is from algebra","human_ref_B":"Math is the easiest part of my bridge engineering job. But since you asked we use trigonometry and algebra every day. Linear algebra and calculus live inside our software and I do full in hand calcs with them occasionally but that\u2019s rare. A foundation in calculus, statistics, differential equations, and linear algebra are necessary to understand codes and fundamentals\/derivations but we don\u2019t perform those calculations often or ever.   What really matters in structures a sound understanding of structural behavior. Statics, mechanics of materials, and structural analysis are at the heart of structural engineering.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4076.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"snzp3y","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.7,"history":"What maths is used in Bridge engineering? Hi all,  I hope everyone is doing well.  I was just wondering what maths do bridge engineers do? For example, do they use algebra ( quadratic, simultaneous equations etc)?  Btw I'm from the UK.  Thanks, AspiringEngineer89","c_root_id_A":"hw6azai","c_root_id_B":"hw5xf65","created_at_utc_A":1644375773,"created_at_utc_B":1644370036,"score_A":5,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Math is the easiest part of my bridge engineering job. But since you asked we use trigonometry and algebra every day. Linear algebra and calculus live inside our software and I do full in hand calcs with them occasionally but that\u2019s rare. A foundation in calculus, statistics, differential equations, and linear algebra are necessary to understand codes and fundamentals\/derivations but we don\u2019t perform those calculations often or ever.   What really matters in structures a sound understanding of structural behavior. Statics, mechanics of materials, and structural analysis are at the heart of structural engineering.","human_ref_B":"Force = mass * acceleration  Point loads, moments, eventually ratings   (I\u2019m a bridge engineer but I\u2019m in the field)","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5737.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"snzp3y","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.7,"history":"What maths is used in Bridge engineering? Hi all,  I hope everyone is doing well.  I was just wondering what maths do bridge engineers do? For example, do they use algebra ( quadratic, simultaneous equations etc)?  Btw I'm from the UK.  Thanks, AspiringEngineer89","c_root_id_A":"hw6azai","c_root_id_B":"hw65hzt","created_at_utc_A":1644375773,"created_at_utc_B":1644373474,"score_A":5,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Math is the easiest part of my bridge engineering job. But since you asked we use trigonometry and algebra every day. Linear algebra and calculus live inside our software and I do full in hand calcs with them occasionally but that\u2019s rare. A foundation in calculus, statistics, differential equations, and linear algebra are necessary to understand codes and fundamentals\/derivations but we don\u2019t perform those calculations often or ever.   What really matters in structures a sound understanding of structural behavior. Statics, mechanics of materials, and structural analysis are at the heart of structural engineering.","human_ref_B":"Statics, lots of code, and strength of material.  Prepare to look at a code book with many equations.  I would get a steel manual guide and some of those structural code books. My old coworker had a few since he was a structural engineer.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2299.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"snzp3y","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.7,"history":"What maths is used in Bridge engineering? Hi all,  I hope everyone is doing well.  I was just wondering what maths do bridge engineers do? For example, do they use algebra ( quadratic, simultaneous equations etc)?  Btw I'm from the UK.  Thanks, AspiringEngineer89","c_root_id_A":"hw619zy","c_root_id_B":"hw5xf65","created_at_utc_A":1644371697,"created_at_utc_B":1644370036,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Lots of statics and deform calculations so algebra and calc which is from algebra","human_ref_B":"Force = mass * acceleration  Point loads, moments, eventually ratings   (I\u2019m a bridge engineer but I\u2019m in the field)","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1661.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"95c5z8","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"With the prevalence of radars and other sensors on motor vehicles, how are interferences from other vehicles avoided? Especially since RF devices have to operate in very distinct frequencies, the radar in vehicles must operate in very narrow bands presumably. Doesn't give much headway for modulating the frequency and presumably the power is set at the maximum legal level to get the best signal.    How does the sensor system distinguish between its signal and the reflected or emitted signals from other vehicles? Especially given that most vehicles have sensors that sweep the front and back for full coverage. I presume there must be a lot of cross talk.   Are they operating at a high enough time frequency to get more data points to tolerate a lower signal to noise ratio? I'm guessing the \"right\" readings will be more prevalent as the \"wrong\" one's will read values across the board.","c_root_id_A":"e3s4y7j","c_root_id_B":"e3rpoin","created_at_utc_A":1533670660,"created_at_utc_B":1533658560,"score_A":14,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"There's quite a bit of misinformation in the responses here, so I'll try to clear up a few of them.  Firstly, the main automotive radar band is at 77 GHz (called Long Range Radar). There's a 24 GHz band, but it's being phased out.  The antennas in these radars are not typically designed to be highly directive (or line of sight). In fact, the beamwidths are relatively broad (sorry I don't remember numbers off the top of my head), and techniques such as MIMO radar are used to digitally combine them for higher resolution. And anyway, the most likely interferers (cars coming towards you) would be transmitting directly at your antennas! So there's definitely potential for interference.  There was a comment on only detecting certain signal levels. The radars are actually very sensitive, so I'm not sure what this statement is referring to. They would respond to a wide dynamic range, but techniques such as CFAR are used to mitigate for clutter and noise (I won't go into detail, but the Wiki page is pretty good; essentially it averages out the background).  Additionally, it is no longer true that only waveguides are used. While it was in the past, many new systems use planar technologies. Furthermore, frequency limitations having nothing to do with physical properties, and are solely regulatory. A simple patch antenna would have enough bandwidth for the 77-81 GHz band!   Each radar would use all, or almost all (depending on system tuning) of the bandwidth available. A very common technique would be FMCW + Doppler radar* (basically chirping the frequency in small jumps from 77 to 81 GHz), which makes processing far less expensive as you can then mix it down so your output signal (baseband) is far lower than GHz range (we don't want to use all our CPU power!). But again, because all vehicle radars will be using the entire band, there is risk of interference. Additionally, as far as I know, none of the commercial systems use any frequency hoping; it would make Doppler radar a bit tricky to compute! But what the previous poster may be thinking of is pseudo-random modulation of other aspects of the sweep, for example the delay time between each chirp. The radar would generally sweep a lot of chirps in each frame, then average them to lower noise; if you vary the delay time between each chirp, then that makes it *much* easier to figure out of a return is interference.  \\* As you send out the signal, the frequency increases linearly. When this reflects off a target, you will receive the sweep of frequencies, but obviously shifted in time. Mix these two together and low pass filter, and your resultant frequency is the difference, with a larger frequency difference implying a longer distance. Knowing your sweep rate of your chirp, you can then calculate distance to the target. There's a lot more you can calculate, but those are the basics!  So yes, interference is an issue. Imagine a received chirp isn't from a reflected scatterer, but has been transmitted from another car. It can lead to effects like ghosting (imaginary ghost cars appearing to your radar). There are signal processing techniques to mitigate for this (and it's been the subject of a lot of work). Essentially it relies on looking at the baseband (mixed down to a low frequency for processing) spectrum to understand the nature of the returns. Then the bad bits can be zeroed out to remove them, or other actions can be taken.  The response was a bit of an essay, and I was sort of trying to respond to the various answers you've already received! I've sort of lightly touched on a lot of things, but I can go into more depth on any particular bit if anyone's interested. It's an excellent question though, and definitely hasn't been easy to solve.","human_ref_B":"Most of those systems have being designed to only detect certain signal levels, making this a really simple filter based on detector sensitivity. Then there are narrow band filters that exclude any undesired frequencies. Through different modulation and codification schemes it is possible to exclude even more signals, even noise, that either can't be demodulated or decoded so you receive only the signals you actually want. Because of the radar high power need you are restricted to the use of solid waveguides, each type of waveguide can propagate certain frequencies, either in single mode or Multimode frequency windows, narrowing even further the accepted signals. It is also important to talk about restricted radiofrequency spectrum, which is only available to use by the organization or person who bought a license for it, this means you are the only person that can transmit in that specific bandwidth, thus eliminating unwanted signals. Etc., Etc.  If you want a true and only answer you would need to know exactly about which type of system you are talking and all its specifications, like antennas used, frequency of operstion and zone where it's deployed, and so on.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":12100.0,"score_ratio":4.6666666667}
{"post_id":"95c5z8","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"With the prevalence of radars and other sensors on motor vehicles, how are interferences from other vehicles avoided? Especially since RF devices have to operate in very distinct frequencies, the radar in vehicles must operate in very narrow bands presumably. Doesn't give much headway for modulating the frequency and presumably the power is set at the maximum legal level to get the best signal.    How does the sensor system distinguish between its signal and the reflected or emitted signals from other vehicles? Especially given that most vehicles have sensors that sweep the front and back for full coverage. I presume there must be a lot of cross talk.   Are they operating at a high enough time frequency to get more data points to tolerate a lower signal to noise ratio? I'm guessing the \"right\" readings will be more prevalent as the \"wrong\" one's will read values across the board.","c_root_id_A":"e3ruwyy","c_root_id_B":"e3s4y7j","created_at_utc_A":1533662640,"created_at_utc_B":1533670660,"score_A":2,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"I would expect a psuedo-random frequency hopping within the bandwidth to prevent interference.  There's no way all these automotive radar sensors are on the exact same frequency or there would be chaos.  LOS is good, but that's not a 100% solution.","human_ref_B":"There's quite a bit of misinformation in the responses here, so I'll try to clear up a few of them.  Firstly, the main automotive radar band is at 77 GHz (called Long Range Radar). There's a 24 GHz band, but it's being phased out.  The antennas in these radars are not typically designed to be highly directive (or line of sight). In fact, the beamwidths are relatively broad (sorry I don't remember numbers off the top of my head), and techniques such as MIMO radar are used to digitally combine them for higher resolution. And anyway, the most likely interferers (cars coming towards you) would be transmitting directly at your antennas! So there's definitely potential for interference.  There was a comment on only detecting certain signal levels. The radars are actually very sensitive, so I'm not sure what this statement is referring to. They would respond to a wide dynamic range, but techniques such as CFAR are used to mitigate for clutter and noise (I won't go into detail, but the Wiki page is pretty good; essentially it averages out the background).  Additionally, it is no longer true that only waveguides are used. While it was in the past, many new systems use planar technologies. Furthermore, frequency limitations having nothing to do with physical properties, and are solely regulatory. A simple patch antenna would have enough bandwidth for the 77-81 GHz band!   Each radar would use all, or almost all (depending on system tuning) of the bandwidth available. A very common technique would be FMCW + Doppler radar* (basically chirping the frequency in small jumps from 77 to 81 GHz), which makes processing far less expensive as you can then mix it down so your output signal (baseband) is far lower than GHz range (we don't want to use all our CPU power!). But again, because all vehicle radars will be using the entire band, there is risk of interference. Additionally, as far as I know, none of the commercial systems use any frequency hoping; it would make Doppler radar a bit tricky to compute! But what the previous poster may be thinking of is pseudo-random modulation of other aspects of the sweep, for example the delay time between each chirp. The radar would generally sweep a lot of chirps in each frame, then average them to lower noise; if you vary the delay time between each chirp, then that makes it *much* easier to figure out of a return is interference.  \\* As you send out the signal, the frequency increases linearly. When this reflects off a target, you will receive the sweep of frequencies, but obviously shifted in time. Mix these two together and low pass filter, and your resultant frequency is the difference, with a larger frequency difference implying a longer distance. Knowing your sweep rate of your chirp, you can then calculate distance to the target. There's a lot more you can calculate, but those are the basics!  So yes, interference is an issue. Imagine a received chirp isn't from a reflected scatterer, but has been transmitted from another car. It can lead to effects like ghosting (imaginary ghost cars appearing to your radar). There are signal processing techniques to mitigate for this (and it's been the subject of a lot of work). Essentially it relies on looking at the baseband (mixed down to a low frequency for processing) spectrum to understand the nature of the returns. Then the bad bits can be zeroed out to remove them, or other actions can be taken.  The response was a bit of an essay, and I was sort of trying to respond to the various answers you've already received! I've sort of lightly touched on a lot of things, but I can go into more depth on any particular bit if anyone's interested. It's an excellent question though, and definitely hasn't been easy to solve.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8020.0,"score_ratio":7.0}
{"post_id":"6yfrok","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"Would a jet engine be efficient in space if the plane carried liquid oxygen? If a jet engine was modified so that it could work in space by carrying liquid oxygen while stil using jet fuel, would it be efficient? Or would the fuel be too heavy?","c_root_id_A":"dmn0bn9","c_root_id_B":"dmn80ow","created_at_utc_A":1504707362,"created_at_utc_B":1504716148,"score_A":23,"score_B":29,"human_ref_A":"Kinda.  It's a bit more complicated.  For example, the SpaceX Merlin) and SpaceX Kestrel) are both fueled with RP1 and LOX.  RP1 is kinda similar to jet fuel.  The Merlin is used on the ground for the lower stage; the Kestrel is used in space.  Liquid fueled rocket engines like the Merlin are actually similar to jet engines in certain ways; they both use a turbine powered pump (called a turbopump) which is not unlike the turbine\/compressor in a jet engine.  With the Kestrel, though, which only operates in a vacuum, the turbopump isn't really required; rocket engine efficiency is related to the expansion ratio, so really high pressures are only required when the thing has to operate in an atmosphere.  The possible expansion ratio in outer space is not so limited and thus the \"jet engine-like\" parts of the rocket engine -- which are also the expensive and tricky parts -- aren't required for the Kestrel.  RP1 (\"jetfuel\") is less efficient on an energy-per-mass basis than liquid hydrogen.  However it is also more dense, which is nice, and much easier to handle.  Going for the best efficiency is nice, but remember the efficiency you really care about is price per payload.  The space shuttle had really efficient main engines, but it was still a really expensive option for putting payload in orbit.","human_ref_B":"Not in the slightest.  The exaust velocity of a turbofan is around 300 m\/s and that of a good rocket is around 3,000 m\/s.  In space the mass efficiency, how much propellant you have to expel to change your spaceship's velocity by a given amount, is entirely a factor of the exhaust velocity.  The reason that a jet engine is so efficient on the ground is that very little of the propellant that comes out of the engine is fuel that has to be carried by the airplane.  Mostly it's atmospheric nitrogen with the water and CO2 combustion products of the fuel combustion mixed in.  Since the fuel that has to be carried is such a small fraction of the exhaust stream a jet operating in the atmosphere is as efficient as if it was expelling the fuel at 30,000 m\/s.  Having an unlimited amount of gas you can stuff into your engine is useful!  There are engines called turborockets that use the energy from the rocket to drive a turbofan that adds atmospheric gases to the exhaust to increase the rocket efficiency.  Not as much as with a jet engine since the rocket brings its own oxidizer but quite a bit.  And you still get most of the great thrust to weight ratio a rocket gives you.  Mostly those are used in air to air missiles but some people are thinking about using them in the first stage of orbital rockets.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8786.0,"score_ratio":1.2608695652}
{"post_id":"6yfrok","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"Would a jet engine be efficient in space if the plane carried liquid oxygen? If a jet engine was modified so that it could work in space by carrying liquid oxygen while stil using jet fuel, would it be efficient? Or would the fuel be too heavy?","c_root_id_A":"dmn80ow","c_root_id_B":"dmn2wf5","created_at_utc_A":1504716148,"created_at_utc_B":1504710430,"score_A":29,"score_B":21,"human_ref_A":"Not in the slightest.  The exaust velocity of a turbofan is around 300 m\/s and that of a good rocket is around 3,000 m\/s.  In space the mass efficiency, how much propellant you have to expel to change your spaceship's velocity by a given amount, is entirely a factor of the exhaust velocity.  The reason that a jet engine is so efficient on the ground is that very little of the propellant that comes out of the engine is fuel that has to be carried by the airplane.  Mostly it's atmospheric nitrogen with the water and CO2 combustion products of the fuel combustion mixed in.  Since the fuel that has to be carried is such a small fraction of the exhaust stream a jet operating in the atmosphere is as efficient as if it was expelling the fuel at 30,000 m\/s.  Having an unlimited amount of gas you can stuff into your engine is useful!  There are engines called turborockets that use the energy from the rocket to drive a turbofan that adds atmospheric gases to the exhaust to increase the rocket efficiency.  Not as much as with a jet engine since the rocket brings its own oxidizer but quite a bit.  And you still get most of the great thrust to weight ratio a rocket gives you.  Mostly those are used in air to air missiles but some people are thinking about using them in the first stage of orbital rockets.","human_ref_B":"A jet engine becomes a rocket engine once you start supplying your own oxidizer.  Edit: fat fingers.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5718.0,"score_ratio":1.380952381}
{"post_id":"6yfrok","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"Would a jet engine be efficient in space if the plane carried liquid oxygen? If a jet engine was modified so that it could work in space by carrying liquid oxygen while stil using jet fuel, would it be efficient? Or would the fuel be too heavy?","c_root_id_A":"dmn3519","c_root_id_B":"dmn80ow","created_at_utc_A":1504710705,"created_at_utc_B":1504716148,"score_A":7,"score_B":29,"human_ref_A":"That is essentially what a rocket is.  Most of a jet engine is designed for pulling in and compressing air to burn with the fuel. That's what the whole turbine and compressor arangment is for. If you're using LOX you don't need that which leaves you with combustion chamber and a nozzle, a rocket.","human_ref_B":"Not in the slightest.  The exaust velocity of a turbofan is around 300 m\/s and that of a good rocket is around 3,000 m\/s.  In space the mass efficiency, how much propellant you have to expel to change your spaceship's velocity by a given amount, is entirely a factor of the exhaust velocity.  The reason that a jet engine is so efficient on the ground is that very little of the propellant that comes out of the engine is fuel that has to be carried by the airplane.  Mostly it's atmospheric nitrogen with the water and CO2 combustion products of the fuel combustion mixed in.  Since the fuel that has to be carried is such a small fraction of the exhaust stream a jet operating in the atmosphere is as efficient as if it was expelling the fuel at 30,000 m\/s.  Having an unlimited amount of gas you can stuff into your engine is useful!  There are engines called turborockets that use the energy from the rocket to drive a turbofan that adds atmospheric gases to the exhaust to increase the rocket efficiency.  Not as much as with a jet engine since the rocket brings its own oxidizer but quite a bit.  And you still get most of the great thrust to weight ratio a rocket gives you.  Mostly those are used in air to air missiles but some people are thinking about using them in the first stage of orbital rockets.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5443.0,"score_ratio":4.1428571429}
{"post_id":"6yfrok","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"Would a jet engine be efficient in space if the plane carried liquid oxygen? If a jet engine was modified so that it could work in space by carrying liquid oxygen while stil using jet fuel, would it be efficient? Or would the fuel be too heavy?","c_root_id_A":"dmn68uk","c_root_id_B":"dmn80ow","created_at_utc_A":1504714209,"created_at_utc_B":1504716148,"score_A":4,"score_B":29,"human_ref_A":"Look up the Skylon. Its meant to be an ssto engine.","human_ref_B":"Not in the slightest.  The exaust velocity of a turbofan is around 300 m\/s and that of a good rocket is around 3,000 m\/s.  In space the mass efficiency, how much propellant you have to expel to change your spaceship's velocity by a given amount, is entirely a factor of the exhaust velocity.  The reason that a jet engine is so efficient on the ground is that very little of the propellant that comes out of the engine is fuel that has to be carried by the airplane.  Mostly it's atmospheric nitrogen with the water and CO2 combustion products of the fuel combustion mixed in.  Since the fuel that has to be carried is such a small fraction of the exhaust stream a jet operating in the atmosphere is as efficient as if it was expelling the fuel at 30,000 m\/s.  Having an unlimited amount of gas you can stuff into your engine is useful!  There are engines called turborockets that use the energy from the rocket to drive a turbofan that adds atmospheric gases to the exhaust to increase the rocket efficiency.  Not as much as with a jet engine since the rocket brings its own oxidizer but quite a bit.  And you still get most of the great thrust to weight ratio a rocket gives you.  Mostly those are used in air to air missiles but some people are thinking about using them in the first stage of orbital rockets.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1939.0,"score_ratio":7.25}
{"post_id":"6yfrok","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"Would a jet engine be efficient in space if the plane carried liquid oxygen? If a jet engine was modified so that it could work in space by carrying liquid oxygen while stil using jet fuel, would it be efficient? Or would the fuel be too heavy?","c_root_id_A":"dmn833a","c_root_id_B":"dmn3519","created_at_utc_A":1504716218,"created_at_utc_B":1504710705,"score_A":10,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"No, most of the thrust from a jet engine comes from the fan bypass. Basically fans pulling in air, sending it around the engine and throwing it out the back.   You might be able to make a jet engine run in space with your own oxidizer but you wouldn't have much reaction mass to push you besides the exhaust.","human_ref_B":"That is essentially what a rocket is.  Most of a jet engine is designed for pulling in and compressing air to burn with the fuel. That's what the whole turbine and compressor arangment is for. If you're using LOX you don't need that which leaves you with combustion chamber and a nozzle, a rocket.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5513.0,"score_ratio":1.4285714286}
{"post_id":"6yfrok","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"Would a jet engine be efficient in space if the plane carried liquid oxygen? If a jet engine was modified so that it could work in space by carrying liquid oxygen while stil using jet fuel, would it be efficient? Or would the fuel be too heavy?","c_root_id_A":"dmn833a","c_root_id_B":"dmn68uk","created_at_utc_A":1504716218,"created_at_utc_B":1504714209,"score_A":10,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"No, most of the thrust from a jet engine comes from the fan bypass. Basically fans pulling in air, sending it around the engine and throwing it out the back.   You might be able to make a jet engine run in space with your own oxidizer but you wouldn't have much reaction mass to push you besides the exhaust.","human_ref_B":"Look up the Skylon. Its meant to be an ssto engine.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2009.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"42b7s7","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"What is the limit to how small a rocket could be and still make it into space, given our current fuel source for rockets? To clarify: I am curious if you were to build a small rocket and launch it from the ground with the goal of sending it to space, how small could you make it? Also assume no payload or additional weight other than what is required for the rocket to work. Thanks.","c_root_id_A":"cz92vx2","c_root_id_B":"cz8z9mz","created_at_utc_A":1453570020,"created_at_utc_B":1453563477,"score_A":34,"score_B":19,"human_ref_A":"Randall Monroe addresses a similar question in the 'what if?' section of his website. He begins the discussion by saying, \"The reason it's hard to get to orbit isn't that space is high up. It's hard to get to orbit because you have to go so\u00a0fast.\" Here's a link: http:\/\/what-if.xkcd.com\/58\/    I'm a huge fan of both his webcomic and his 'what if?' answers. Great reading for a Saturday afternoon when you've got nothing to do.","human_ref_B":"Simply \"make it to space\" or are you after LEO?  If all you want to do is touch the vacuum, you could get away with a boosted dart design.  Maybe a 25 cm diam booster with a 8 cm diam dart.  Total weight in the 250 kg range.   (Disclaimer:  Educated guess, but haven't actually run those precise numbers.)","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6543.0,"score_ratio":1.7894736842}
{"post_id":"42b7s7","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"What is the limit to how small a rocket could be and still make it into space, given our current fuel source for rockets? To clarify: I am curious if you were to build a small rocket and launch it from the ground with the goal of sending it to space, how small could you make it? Also assume no payload or additional weight other than what is required for the rocket to work. Thanks.","c_root_id_A":"cz913c4","c_root_id_B":"cz92vx2","created_at_utc_A":1453566959,"created_at_utc_B":1453570020,"score_A":6,"score_B":34,"human_ref_A":"There are various sounding rockets that have been made and flown over the years.  You can start to look up what they've done, how high they've gone (is 100km up enough \"space\" for you?), and who has made them.  There continue to be amateur rocketry clubs that work on that sort of thing.","human_ref_B":"Randall Monroe addresses a similar question in the 'what if?' section of his website. He begins the discussion by saying, \"The reason it's hard to get to orbit isn't that space is high up. It's hard to get to orbit because you have to go so\u00a0fast.\" Here's a link: http:\/\/what-if.xkcd.com\/58\/    I'm a huge fan of both his webcomic and his 'what if?' answers. Great reading for a Saturday afternoon when you've got nothing to do.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3061.0,"score_ratio":5.6666666667}
{"post_id":"42b7s7","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"What is the limit to how small a rocket could be and still make it into space, given our current fuel source for rockets? To clarify: I am curious if you were to build a small rocket and launch it from the ground with the goal of sending it to space, how small could you make it? Also assume no payload or additional weight other than what is required for the rocket to work. Thanks.","c_root_id_A":"cz97dml","c_root_id_B":"cz913c4","created_at_utc_A":1453577489,"created_at_utc_B":1453566959,"score_A":11,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"There are actually equations for predicting height vs initial size  http:\/\/web.mit.edu\/16.unified\/www\/FALL\/thermodynamics\/notes\/node103.html  and   https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Tsiolkovsky_rocket_equation  should get you started.  But it's basically about balancing thrust against fuel consumption.  The key number is \"specific impulse\" which measure how much thrust you can get out of any given nozzle for a given fuel  There's a lot more to this, but I'm at the library, and my propulsion book is sitting on my bookshelf at home!","human_ref_B":"There are various sounding rockets that have been made and flown over the years.  You can start to look up what they've done, how high they've gone (is 100km up enough \"space\" for you?), and who has made them.  There continue to be amateur rocketry clubs that work on that sort of thing.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10530.0,"score_ratio":1.8333333333}
{"post_id":"5onox8","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"How can I course correct my career? I graduated with an Ocean Engineering degree in 2014.  I worked for 2 years at a small engineering company before being laid off about 4 months ago. I think it was a mix of things that lead to me being laid off. I have not been able to really find any jobs in my field in Houston since that time.  There don't seem to be any job postings for positions relevant to my experience and I am afraid I will be running out of money in the next 6 months.    As far as my experience with my previous job, I felt fairly anxious from the beginning.  From the interview, the company said they were fairly intense and had high expectations and that I would be working mainly in the marine department, but also picking up slack in the structural department.  For the first 9 months things went fairly well, but then it started falling apart.  They ran out of work in the marine department from that point on and I never really did anymore meaningful work like that again which was what I went to school for and was  a major disappointment for me.  They transitioned me to the structural department and I started getting up to speed there on a few small projects.  I enjoyed the freedom to create solutions myself, but I struggled with several aspects of the job, mainly that I was slow to produce results (mainly fab and test drawings, and load reports).  Then, I got some very tedious, time consuming, and low low low priority jobs.  I honestly think they were just biding time hoping more work would come, but it never did. I tried in earnest at first to complete them, but then they just gave me more of the same.   From here, I got very depressed\/frustrated with my work.  It felt meaningless, I could never get priority on drafting rescources, and my managers would check in on me about twice a week for a few minutes top because these jobs were so low priority. I tried to bring up my concerns, but it was a fight to get anyones attention for more than 5 minutes, and I was afraid to say I was wasting my time and being unproductive.  I would get stuck often but no one would take me seriously if I asked for help, the projects were conceptually simple but logistical nightmares, so their answers were dismissive in my opinion, they would just spitball some ideas that fix one problem but created 3 more and just seemed annoyed that I was wasting more of their time.  I won't lie, it got to me and I started dreading working on these projects. I started wasting time.  I was on my phone, or browsing the web a bit, but mostly it felt like I was just staring into space hoping that something would come along and help me get through these projects. I fell behind on deadlines, made a lot of mistakes on the work that was being completed that had to be reworked or fixed later, and it all culminated in a colossal mistake that embarrassed the company although it didn't cause damage or cost too much relatively.    If i'm honest, I feel like they massively mismanaged my hiring and training process, and also that I didn't put in 100%.  All of my coworkers had masters in structural and more experience.  I would never have been hired into the role without the managers tossing me around.  There was one coworker who was exactly the same qualifications as me but a few years older, he got all of whatever work went into the marine department, and I ran support on the very limited occasions he needed it.  I could never convince anyone to make this split more fair on continue my training in that discipline to get me to the level where I could take any more of it on, I just got stuck with more structural work.  I did like many parts of my job, and I did not feel any of it was beneath me, I just felt that I wasn't suited for the structural work and that I wasn't particularly good with it.  I am at a loss as for what to do next.  I can't find a job, or even get interviews and I feel like its because my experience is this awkward hodgepodge of random things.  The oil and gas industry has been in a slump, so there arent many jobs out there anyway.  I feel like I have been working too long and that I am being passed over for entry level positions when I would be more than happy and willing to try a soft reset on my career.  I have a lot of doubt about whether my company was just a bad experience for me, because I had 1 coworker in particular who seemed to flourish in that environment and got all the marine work for himself, while I floundered.  Is it me? Was it legitimately a lack of work and just poor timing like they said in my exit interview? Am I cut out for this career, or should I try and find something else before I run out of money\/time?  Is this experience normal? My biggest fear is that I get another job and that this is just standard practice, and I am not cut out for all of this.    I guess I am just looking for reassurance, advice, other perspectives. Anything really.  I learned a lot from all this and I have been forced to really look inwards and evaluate what I need to fix, and I am willing to do it.  My family and friends have been a huge support, but getting fired really has brought up a lot of self-doubt about whether I can be a successful engineer.  I just remember being anxious from the beginning and having some success, but then it just started going wrong, and the anxiety buit and built and it became self destructive, and then I got fired, and now I just don't know how to put myself right.  Sorrry for the rant, but this has been bubbling for quite a while.  Please share whatever you can I would appreciate an outside persepctive.","c_root_id_A":"dckshze","c_root_id_B":"dcl4wxu","created_at_utc_A":1484727193,"created_at_utc_B":1484754533,"score_A":16,"score_B":24,"human_ref_A":"Your story sounds somewhat like my story except I was doing coding in southeast michigan. I just moved to California to switch things up and it seems to be going well. Have you considered cross-country travel or international travel when doing job searching?","human_ref_B":"I'm also an Ocean Engineer in the Houston area. I was laid off last year thanks to some decisions at our global HQ to take engineering capability away from other offices and place it back in the motherland. Of course, I was laid off a month after buying a  house...and a new car...which I bought because things were looking *up*.   Thankfully, my former boss got me a new job thanks to his network. It's different work, subsea versus ship design, but it's still work.  I can't promise anything, but if the offshore O&G market shapes up we'll need more engineers in our office. As a lead, I have a bit more pull as to who we hire (as they'll be on my team). PM me your resume and info. We'll know by April if we need to hire two or three engineers.   Regardless, whether or not you stay in Offshore O&G is up to you but no matter where you go I would strive to build up your network, and even if you can't find engineering work, just do *something* so you don't go crazy. Find some part time work to keep cash flow up and pursue hobbies, learn a skill, work on that novel, start a twitch stream, even go into an entirely different profession, whatever! Just keep yourself busy.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":27340.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"5onox8","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"How can I course correct my career? I graduated with an Ocean Engineering degree in 2014.  I worked for 2 years at a small engineering company before being laid off about 4 months ago. I think it was a mix of things that lead to me being laid off. I have not been able to really find any jobs in my field in Houston since that time.  There don't seem to be any job postings for positions relevant to my experience and I am afraid I will be running out of money in the next 6 months.    As far as my experience with my previous job, I felt fairly anxious from the beginning.  From the interview, the company said they were fairly intense and had high expectations and that I would be working mainly in the marine department, but also picking up slack in the structural department.  For the first 9 months things went fairly well, but then it started falling apart.  They ran out of work in the marine department from that point on and I never really did anymore meaningful work like that again which was what I went to school for and was  a major disappointment for me.  They transitioned me to the structural department and I started getting up to speed there on a few small projects.  I enjoyed the freedom to create solutions myself, but I struggled with several aspects of the job, mainly that I was slow to produce results (mainly fab and test drawings, and load reports).  Then, I got some very tedious, time consuming, and low low low priority jobs.  I honestly think they were just biding time hoping more work would come, but it never did. I tried in earnest at first to complete them, but then they just gave me more of the same.   From here, I got very depressed\/frustrated with my work.  It felt meaningless, I could never get priority on drafting rescources, and my managers would check in on me about twice a week for a few minutes top because these jobs were so low priority. I tried to bring up my concerns, but it was a fight to get anyones attention for more than 5 minutes, and I was afraid to say I was wasting my time and being unproductive.  I would get stuck often but no one would take me seriously if I asked for help, the projects were conceptually simple but logistical nightmares, so their answers were dismissive in my opinion, they would just spitball some ideas that fix one problem but created 3 more and just seemed annoyed that I was wasting more of their time.  I won't lie, it got to me and I started dreading working on these projects. I started wasting time.  I was on my phone, or browsing the web a bit, but mostly it felt like I was just staring into space hoping that something would come along and help me get through these projects. I fell behind on deadlines, made a lot of mistakes on the work that was being completed that had to be reworked or fixed later, and it all culminated in a colossal mistake that embarrassed the company although it didn't cause damage or cost too much relatively.    If i'm honest, I feel like they massively mismanaged my hiring and training process, and also that I didn't put in 100%.  All of my coworkers had masters in structural and more experience.  I would never have been hired into the role without the managers tossing me around.  There was one coworker who was exactly the same qualifications as me but a few years older, he got all of whatever work went into the marine department, and I ran support on the very limited occasions he needed it.  I could never convince anyone to make this split more fair on continue my training in that discipline to get me to the level where I could take any more of it on, I just got stuck with more structural work.  I did like many parts of my job, and I did not feel any of it was beneath me, I just felt that I wasn't suited for the structural work and that I wasn't particularly good with it.  I am at a loss as for what to do next.  I can't find a job, or even get interviews and I feel like its because my experience is this awkward hodgepodge of random things.  The oil and gas industry has been in a slump, so there arent many jobs out there anyway.  I feel like I have been working too long and that I am being passed over for entry level positions when I would be more than happy and willing to try a soft reset on my career.  I have a lot of doubt about whether my company was just a bad experience for me, because I had 1 coworker in particular who seemed to flourish in that environment and got all the marine work for himself, while I floundered.  Is it me? Was it legitimately a lack of work and just poor timing like they said in my exit interview? Am I cut out for this career, or should I try and find something else before I run out of money\/time?  Is this experience normal? My biggest fear is that I get another job and that this is just standard practice, and I am not cut out for all of this.    I guess I am just looking for reassurance, advice, other perspectives. Anything really.  I learned a lot from all this and I have been forced to really look inwards and evaluate what I need to fix, and I am willing to do it.  My family and friends have been a huge support, but getting fired really has brought up a lot of self-doubt about whether I can be a successful engineer.  I just remember being anxious from the beginning and having some success, but then it just started going wrong, and the anxiety buit and built and it became self destructive, and then I got fired, and now I just don't know how to put myself right.  Sorrry for the rant, but this has been bubbling for quite a while.  Please share whatever you can I would appreciate an outside persepctive.","c_root_id_A":"dcl4wxu","c_root_id_B":"dcl1esl","created_at_utc_A":1484754533,"created_at_utc_B":1484749809,"score_A":24,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"I'm also an Ocean Engineer in the Houston area. I was laid off last year thanks to some decisions at our global HQ to take engineering capability away from other offices and place it back in the motherland. Of course, I was laid off a month after buying a  house...and a new car...which I bought because things were looking *up*.   Thankfully, my former boss got me a new job thanks to his network. It's different work, subsea versus ship design, but it's still work.  I can't promise anything, but if the offshore O&G market shapes up we'll need more engineers in our office. As a lead, I have a bit more pull as to who we hire (as they'll be on my team). PM me your resume and info. We'll know by April if we need to hire two or three engineers.   Regardless, whether or not you stay in Offshore O&G is up to you but no matter where you go I would strive to build up your network, and even if you can't find engineering work, just do *something* so you don't go crazy. Find some part time work to keep cash flow up and pursue hobbies, learn a skill, work on that novel, start a twitch stream, even go into an entirely different profession, whatever! Just keep yourself busy.","human_ref_B":"I think you'll be surprised at how much you know when you start your next job. The first job out of college always feels stupid and stirs up shitty feelings. Don't sweat it. Everyone has a internal level of insecurity that gets multiplied with unemployment\/job-searching. It can be rough out there. Especially in the oil field. Start looking into civil companies. CH2M, Amec, and AECOM to name a few.  I suggest getting a part time in the interim to get your mind off things and really dig into self marketing. That or find some certification to study for. You have a wide range of experience to pitch to people, so dig deep. Some one capable of wearing a lot of different hats is valuable in any field. Also you care a lot about being technically proficient which puts you ahead.  The longer you work in any field, the more you will find people with no technical ability in high places just by self marketing. I'm not trying to be a downer but I guarantee you'll find someone in your office one day that you'll look at and think, 'if HE can make it, well I'm gonna be just fine.'  EDIT: Also get that fun part time working with a bunch of other young folks that you always kinda wished you did when you were working the 8 to 5 with the baby boomers. If I was layed off, first I'd hike the Pacific Northwest Trail, second I'd try and get a part time job at a climbing gym, or mountaineering shop, or maybe even Trader Joes. Or I'd maybe deliver mail and listen to audiobooks all day while walking around. Then I'd study for the Fundamentals of Geology exam and get that cert. All the while I'd apply to real jobs in exciting new citys.   Not that I ever want to get layed off but I'm someone that likes having plan A, B, and C set up for my mental health.  EDIT2: Also find an engineering society you actually enjoy. When I lived in NC I tried going to ASCE meetings and they were okay. Then I went to the local Engineers Without Borders Chapter meetings which consisted of 6 or 7 really cool guys that met at the brewery every month and things really clicked. I got some great letters of recommendation off those guys and loved working with them. Also we helped out some people in the meantime.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4724.0,"score_ratio":3.4285714286}
{"post_id":"5onox8","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"How can I course correct my career? I graduated with an Ocean Engineering degree in 2014.  I worked for 2 years at a small engineering company before being laid off about 4 months ago. I think it was a mix of things that lead to me being laid off. I have not been able to really find any jobs in my field in Houston since that time.  There don't seem to be any job postings for positions relevant to my experience and I am afraid I will be running out of money in the next 6 months.    As far as my experience with my previous job, I felt fairly anxious from the beginning.  From the interview, the company said they were fairly intense and had high expectations and that I would be working mainly in the marine department, but also picking up slack in the structural department.  For the first 9 months things went fairly well, but then it started falling apart.  They ran out of work in the marine department from that point on and I never really did anymore meaningful work like that again which was what I went to school for and was  a major disappointment for me.  They transitioned me to the structural department and I started getting up to speed there on a few small projects.  I enjoyed the freedom to create solutions myself, but I struggled with several aspects of the job, mainly that I was slow to produce results (mainly fab and test drawings, and load reports).  Then, I got some very tedious, time consuming, and low low low priority jobs.  I honestly think they were just biding time hoping more work would come, but it never did. I tried in earnest at first to complete them, but then they just gave me more of the same.   From here, I got very depressed\/frustrated with my work.  It felt meaningless, I could never get priority on drafting rescources, and my managers would check in on me about twice a week for a few minutes top because these jobs were so low priority. I tried to bring up my concerns, but it was a fight to get anyones attention for more than 5 minutes, and I was afraid to say I was wasting my time and being unproductive.  I would get stuck often but no one would take me seriously if I asked for help, the projects were conceptually simple but logistical nightmares, so their answers were dismissive in my opinion, they would just spitball some ideas that fix one problem but created 3 more and just seemed annoyed that I was wasting more of their time.  I won't lie, it got to me and I started dreading working on these projects. I started wasting time.  I was on my phone, or browsing the web a bit, but mostly it felt like I was just staring into space hoping that something would come along and help me get through these projects. I fell behind on deadlines, made a lot of mistakes on the work that was being completed that had to be reworked or fixed later, and it all culminated in a colossal mistake that embarrassed the company although it didn't cause damage or cost too much relatively.    If i'm honest, I feel like they massively mismanaged my hiring and training process, and also that I didn't put in 100%.  All of my coworkers had masters in structural and more experience.  I would never have been hired into the role without the managers tossing me around.  There was one coworker who was exactly the same qualifications as me but a few years older, he got all of whatever work went into the marine department, and I ran support on the very limited occasions he needed it.  I could never convince anyone to make this split more fair on continue my training in that discipline to get me to the level where I could take any more of it on, I just got stuck with more structural work.  I did like many parts of my job, and I did not feel any of it was beneath me, I just felt that I wasn't suited for the structural work and that I wasn't particularly good with it.  I am at a loss as for what to do next.  I can't find a job, or even get interviews and I feel like its because my experience is this awkward hodgepodge of random things.  The oil and gas industry has been in a slump, so there arent many jobs out there anyway.  I feel like I have been working too long and that I am being passed over for entry level positions when I would be more than happy and willing to try a soft reset on my career.  I have a lot of doubt about whether my company was just a bad experience for me, because I had 1 coworker in particular who seemed to flourish in that environment and got all the marine work for himself, while I floundered.  Is it me? Was it legitimately a lack of work and just poor timing like they said in my exit interview? Am I cut out for this career, or should I try and find something else before I run out of money\/time?  Is this experience normal? My biggest fear is that I get another job and that this is just standard practice, and I am not cut out for all of this.    I guess I am just looking for reassurance, advice, other perspectives. Anything really.  I learned a lot from all this and I have been forced to really look inwards and evaluate what I need to fix, and I am willing to do it.  My family and friends have been a huge support, but getting fired really has brought up a lot of self-doubt about whether I can be a successful engineer.  I just remember being anxious from the beginning and having some success, but then it just started going wrong, and the anxiety buit and built and it became self destructive, and then I got fired, and now I just don't know how to put myself right.  Sorrry for the rant, but this has been bubbling for quite a while.  Please share whatever you can I would appreciate an outside persepctive.","c_root_id_A":"dcl4wxu","c_root_id_B":"dcl0yt0","created_at_utc_A":1484754533,"created_at_utc_B":1484749144,"score_A":24,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"I'm also an Ocean Engineer in the Houston area. I was laid off last year thanks to some decisions at our global HQ to take engineering capability away from other offices and place it back in the motherland. Of course, I was laid off a month after buying a  house...and a new car...which I bought because things were looking *up*.   Thankfully, my former boss got me a new job thanks to his network. It's different work, subsea versus ship design, but it's still work.  I can't promise anything, but if the offshore O&G market shapes up we'll need more engineers in our office. As a lead, I have a bit more pull as to who we hire (as they'll be on my team). PM me your resume and info. We'll know by April if we need to hire two or three engineers.   Regardless, whether or not you stay in Offshore O&G is up to you but no matter where you go I would strive to build up your network, and even if you can't find engineering work, just do *something* so you don't go crazy. Find some part time work to keep cash flow up and pursue hobbies, learn a skill, work on that novel, start a twitch stream, even go into an entirely different profession, whatever! Just keep yourself busy.","human_ref_B":"I'm sorry to hear that you are feeling down about yourself, but know that you are who you choose to be moving forward, it will take some time to find another job with the way the O&G market is right now in Houston.   I was in a very similar position to what you were put into, out of school the company I was hired with was low on work and I sat around (literally) for about a month and a half before I got ANYTHING to work on. Also very limited\/no training, I floated along barely getting any work for about a year and a half before I was laid off similar to you. Towards the end I got so used to sitting around on my phone, when I did find some work to do I wasn't very productive because I wanted to make it last longer (and was attached to my phone). I also had another engineer who had started about a month before me who got put into a better situation with constant work and was thriving. My self worth professionally wasn't very high and I felt like I wasn't progressing in my career like I should.   Being laid off from that job was the best thing that could have happened to me. What I did was did push the knowledge I did gain in my time working (luckily there was a 2 month period where an older engineer taught me a lot). When I got my new job I was reenergized about working and learning and I was put into a lot better situation. My boss has become a mentor to me and trusts me with projects, I'm progressing at a rate I never would have been able to at my last job.   My advice is to keep grinding to find a job, but most projections are looking at Q3 of this year before O&G starts coming back, so you may want to think about if relocation is a viable option for you. Sorry for the long winded response.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5389.0,"score_ratio":4.8}
{"post_id":"5onox8","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"How can I course correct my career? I graduated with an Ocean Engineering degree in 2014.  I worked for 2 years at a small engineering company before being laid off about 4 months ago. I think it was a mix of things that lead to me being laid off. I have not been able to really find any jobs in my field in Houston since that time.  There don't seem to be any job postings for positions relevant to my experience and I am afraid I will be running out of money in the next 6 months.    As far as my experience with my previous job, I felt fairly anxious from the beginning.  From the interview, the company said they were fairly intense and had high expectations and that I would be working mainly in the marine department, but also picking up slack in the structural department.  For the first 9 months things went fairly well, but then it started falling apart.  They ran out of work in the marine department from that point on and I never really did anymore meaningful work like that again which was what I went to school for and was  a major disappointment for me.  They transitioned me to the structural department and I started getting up to speed there on a few small projects.  I enjoyed the freedom to create solutions myself, but I struggled with several aspects of the job, mainly that I was slow to produce results (mainly fab and test drawings, and load reports).  Then, I got some very tedious, time consuming, and low low low priority jobs.  I honestly think they were just biding time hoping more work would come, but it never did. I tried in earnest at first to complete them, but then they just gave me more of the same.   From here, I got very depressed\/frustrated with my work.  It felt meaningless, I could never get priority on drafting rescources, and my managers would check in on me about twice a week for a few minutes top because these jobs were so low priority. I tried to bring up my concerns, but it was a fight to get anyones attention for more than 5 minutes, and I was afraid to say I was wasting my time and being unproductive.  I would get stuck often but no one would take me seriously if I asked for help, the projects were conceptually simple but logistical nightmares, so their answers were dismissive in my opinion, they would just spitball some ideas that fix one problem but created 3 more and just seemed annoyed that I was wasting more of their time.  I won't lie, it got to me and I started dreading working on these projects. I started wasting time.  I was on my phone, or browsing the web a bit, but mostly it felt like I was just staring into space hoping that something would come along and help me get through these projects. I fell behind on deadlines, made a lot of mistakes on the work that was being completed that had to be reworked or fixed later, and it all culminated in a colossal mistake that embarrassed the company although it didn't cause damage or cost too much relatively.    If i'm honest, I feel like they massively mismanaged my hiring and training process, and also that I didn't put in 100%.  All of my coworkers had masters in structural and more experience.  I would never have been hired into the role without the managers tossing me around.  There was one coworker who was exactly the same qualifications as me but a few years older, he got all of whatever work went into the marine department, and I ran support on the very limited occasions he needed it.  I could never convince anyone to make this split more fair on continue my training in that discipline to get me to the level where I could take any more of it on, I just got stuck with more structural work.  I did like many parts of my job, and I did not feel any of it was beneath me, I just felt that I wasn't suited for the structural work and that I wasn't particularly good with it.  I am at a loss as for what to do next.  I can't find a job, or even get interviews and I feel like its because my experience is this awkward hodgepodge of random things.  The oil and gas industry has been in a slump, so there arent many jobs out there anyway.  I feel like I have been working too long and that I am being passed over for entry level positions when I would be more than happy and willing to try a soft reset on my career.  I have a lot of doubt about whether my company was just a bad experience for me, because I had 1 coworker in particular who seemed to flourish in that environment and got all the marine work for himself, while I floundered.  Is it me? Was it legitimately a lack of work and just poor timing like they said in my exit interview? Am I cut out for this career, or should I try and find something else before I run out of money\/time?  Is this experience normal? My biggest fear is that I get another job and that this is just standard practice, and I am not cut out for all of this.    I guess I am just looking for reassurance, advice, other perspectives. Anything really.  I learned a lot from all this and I have been forced to really look inwards and evaluate what I need to fix, and I am willing to do it.  My family and friends have been a huge support, but getting fired really has brought up a lot of self-doubt about whether I can be a successful engineer.  I just remember being anxious from the beginning and having some success, but then it just started going wrong, and the anxiety buit and built and it became self destructive, and then I got fired, and now I just don't know how to put myself right.  Sorrry for the rant, but this has been bubbling for quite a while.  Please share whatever you can I would appreciate an outside persepctive.","c_root_id_A":"dcl0yt0","c_root_id_B":"dcl1esl","created_at_utc_A":1484749144,"created_at_utc_B":1484749809,"score_A":5,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"I'm sorry to hear that you are feeling down about yourself, but know that you are who you choose to be moving forward, it will take some time to find another job with the way the O&G market is right now in Houston.   I was in a very similar position to what you were put into, out of school the company I was hired with was low on work and I sat around (literally) for about a month and a half before I got ANYTHING to work on. Also very limited\/no training, I floated along barely getting any work for about a year and a half before I was laid off similar to you. Towards the end I got so used to sitting around on my phone, when I did find some work to do I wasn't very productive because I wanted to make it last longer (and was attached to my phone). I also had another engineer who had started about a month before me who got put into a better situation with constant work and was thriving. My self worth professionally wasn't very high and I felt like I wasn't progressing in my career like I should.   Being laid off from that job was the best thing that could have happened to me. What I did was did push the knowledge I did gain in my time working (luckily there was a 2 month period where an older engineer taught me a lot). When I got my new job I was reenergized about working and learning and I was put into a lot better situation. My boss has become a mentor to me and trusts me with projects, I'm progressing at a rate I never would have been able to at my last job.   My advice is to keep grinding to find a job, but most projections are looking at Q3 of this year before O&G starts coming back, so you may want to think about if relocation is a viable option for you. Sorry for the long winded response.","human_ref_B":"I think you'll be surprised at how much you know when you start your next job. The first job out of college always feels stupid and stirs up shitty feelings. Don't sweat it. Everyone has a internal level of insecurity that gets multiplied with unemployment\/job-searching. It can be rough out there. Especially in the oil field. Start looking into civil companies. CH2M, Amec, and AECOM to name a few.  I suggest getting a part time in the interim to get your mind off things and really dig into self marketing. That or find some certification to study for. You have a wide range of experience to pitch to people, so dig deep. Some one capable of wearing a lot of different hats is valuable in any field. Also you care a lot about being technically proficient which puts you ahead.  The longer you work in any field, the more you will find people with no technical ability in high places just by self marketing. I'm not trying to be a downer but I guarantee you'll find someone in your office one day that you'll look at and think, 'if HE can make it, well I'm gonna be just fine.'  EDIT: Also get that fun part time working with a bunch of other young folks that you always kinda wished you did when you were working the 8 to 5 with the baby boomers. If I was layed off, first I'd hike the Pacific Northwest Trail, second I'd try and get a part time job at a climbing gym, or mountaineering shop, or maybe even Trader Joes. Or I'd maybe deliver mail and listen to audiobooks all day while walking around. Then I'd study for the Fundamentals of Geology exam and get that cert. All the while I'd apply to real jobs in exciting new citys.   Not that I ever want to get layed off but I'm someone that likes having plan A, B, and C set up for my mental health.  EDIT2: Also find an engineering society you actually enjoy. When I lived in NC I tried going to ASCE meetings and they were okay. Then I went to the local Engineers Without Borders Chapter meetings which consisted of 6 or 7 really cool guys that met at the brewery every month and things really clicked. I got some great letters of recommendation off those guys and loved working with them. Also we helped out some people in the meantime.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":665.0,"score_ratio":1.4}
{"post_id":"4200cz","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"I'd take a pay hit if I take a new job; should I negotiate? Also, will I be burning bridges if I take the new job? [x-posted] I've been in my current job as a Quality Manager for 3.5 years. I had two promotions in that time and have gotten 115% of my merit bonuses each year, due to doing a good job here. It's my 2nd job out of college; I was in my first job for about 4 years. Although I'm a manager level, I don't manage anyone but interns - I have a hunch they gave me this promotion and title change so I wouldn't leave. (We have a really high turnover, so someone like me who has been here for a while is more valuable as time goes on.)  At the start of this month, I recently switched to a different area in Quality but kept my title. I just wanted a change in the type of work I was doing, a spot was open, I'd worked for the director before, so I figured it would be a good spot. Plus, I've been bored for quite a while.  Well, last week I got an email from a recruiter that actually sparked my interest. I have a phone screen today with HR before I presumably move to the next level to an in-person interview with the hiring manager.  My issues are:  1. I'd take a 10% pay hit if I take this job. (Big con.)  1. I'd have a title change back down to a Senior Engineer. (Slight con.)  1. My work-life balance would be immensely better. (Huge pro.)  1. My commute would be 40% of what it is now, and I wouldn't have to pay tolls each way. (Pro.)  1. The job responsibilities are nearly identical to the one I just switched out of internally at my current employer; the only difference is that it's in a different industry with all sorts of regulations I've never dealt with before. (Neutral.)  1. They've been looking to fill this position since November, so they are likely really eager to hire someone with my experience. (Slight pro.)  If all goes well in the interview process, I'll likely accept this job. My two questions are:  1. Would I be burning bridges by accepting the new job? I just started a kinda-new position at my current employer and I feel like I may be screwing them over by leaving so soon after this switch.  1. Given that they are likely really eager to hire someone for this long-open position, and given that I'd be taking a pay cut (and they'd be aware of this when I tell them my salary requirement) do I have an opportunity to negotiate salary, benefits, etc. with them? I've never had to do such a thing before, and part of me would like some extra compensation for taking the pay hit. However, given that my title will no longer be a \"Manager\", would it be ridiculous of me to still want to be compensated like one?","c_root_id_A":"cz6inka","c_root_id_B":"cz6vdgj","created_at_utc_A":1453387642,"created_at_utc_B":1453405754,"score_A":8,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"Considering a job's title is a mistake, imho. Tere is little to no consistency between, or even within, companies.","human_ref_B":"Always negotiate.  It's unusual for a company to offer the highest they'd consider paying you right off the bat.  Usually they offer you something they think is fair but in the middle of \"fair.\"  Never worry about burning bridges by accepting a better job.  You can only burn bridges by doing bad things to your current employer.  Make sure you keep in touch with your current coworkers through non-company assets like personal e-mail addresses and personal phones.  Coworkers you give a damn about, anyway.  They might want to follow you to your new gig, and it's not poaching if they come to you.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":18112.0,"score_ratio":1.25}
{"post_id":"4200cz","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"I'd take a pay hit if I take a new job; should I negotiate? Also, will I be burning bridges if I take the new job? [x-posted] I've been in my current job as a Quality Manager for 3.5 years. I had two promotions in that time and have gotten 115% of my merit bonuses each year, due to doing a good job here. It's my 2nd job out of college; I was in my first job for about 4 years. Although I'm a manager level, I don't manage anyone but interns - I have a hunch they gave me this promotion and title change so I wouldn't leave. (We have a really high turnover, so someone like me who has been here for a while is more valuable as time goes on.)  At the start of this month, I recently switched to a different area in Quality but kept my title. I just wanted a change in the type of work I was doing, a spot was open, I'd worked for the director before, so I figured it would be a good spot. Plus, I've been bored for quite a while.  Well, last week I got an email from a recruiter that actually sparked my interest. I have a phone screen today with HR before I presumably move to the next level to an in-person interview with the hiring manager.  My issues are:  1. I'd take a 10% pay hit if I take this job. (Big con.)  1. I'd have a title change back down to a Senior Engineer. (Slight con.)  1. My work-life balance would be immensely better. (Huge pro.)  1. My commute would be 40% of what it is now, and I wouldn't have to pay tolls each way. (Pro.)  1. The job responsibilities are nearly identical to the one I just switched out of internally at my current employer; the only difference is that it's in a different industry with all sorts of regulations I've never dealt with before. (Neutral.)  1. They've been looking to fill this position since November, so they are likely really eager to hire someone with my experience. (Slight pro.)  If all goes well in the interview process, I'll likely accept this job. My two questions are:  1. Would I be burning bridges by accepting the new job? I just started a kinda-new position at my current employer and I feel like I may be screwing them over by leaving so soon after this switch.  1. Given that they are likely really eager to hire someone for this long-open position, and given that I'd be taking a pay cut (and they'd be aware of this when I tell them my salary requirement) do I have an opportunity to negotiate salary, benefits, etc. with them? I've never had to do such a thing before, and part of me would like some extra compensation for taking the pay hit. However, given that my title will no longer be a \"Manager\", would it be ridiculous of me to still want to be compensated like one?","c_root_id_A":"cz6h7iw","c_root_id_B":"cz6vdgj","created_at_utc_A":1453384931,"created_at_utc_B":1453405754,"score_A":7,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"I think you can definitely negotiate on salary and benefits. Given that the responsibilities are the same, just different regs, one strategy (if they don't go for a higher salary off the bat) would be to ask for an accelerated review process, ie you get 3 months at their salary in order to get up to speed and then at the review, you negotiate for a higher salary given that you're now just as valuable as you were at your old job, and you have proven you can learn the new industry quickly.  Basically, go for it until you think it won't work.","human_ref_B":"Always negotiate.  It's unusual for a company to offer the highest they'd consider paying you right off the bat.  Usually they offer you something they think is fair but in the middle of \"fair.\"  Never worry about burning bridges by accepting a better job.  You can only burn bridges by doing bad things to your current employer.  Make sure you keep in touch with your current coworkers through non-company assets like personal e-mail addresses and personal phones.  Coworkers you give a damn about, anyway.  They might want to follow you to your new gig, and it's not poaching if they come to you.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":20823.0,"score_ratio":1.4285714286}
{"post_id":"4200cz","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"I'd take a pay hit if I take a new job; should I negotiate? Also, will I be burning bridges if I take the new job? [x-posted] I've been in my current job as a Quality Manager for 3.5 years. I had two promotions in that time and have gotten 115% of my merit bonuses each year, due to doing a good job here. It's my 2nd job out of college; I was in my first job for about 4 years. Although I'm a manager level, I don't manage anyone but interns - I have a hunch they gave me this promotion and title change so I wouldn't leave. (We have a really high turnover, so someone like me who has been here for a while is more valuable as time goes on.)  At the start of this month, I recently switched to a different area in Quality but kept my title. I just wanted a change in the type of work I was doing, a spot was open, I'd worked for the director before, so I figured it would be a good spot. Plus, I've been bored for quite a while.  Well, last week I got an email from a recruiter that actually sparked my interest. I have a phone screen today with HR before I presumably move to the next level to an in-person interview with the hiring manager.  My issues are:  1. I'd take a 10% pay hit if I take this job. (Big con.)  1. I'd have a title change back down to a Senior Engineer. (Slight con.)  1. My work-life balance would be immensely better. (Huge pro.)  1. My commute would be 40% of what it is now, and I wouldn't have to pay tolls each way. (Pro.)  1. The job responsibilities are nearly identical to the one I just switched out of internally at my current employer; the only difference is that it's in a different industry with all sorts of regulations I've never dealt with before. (Neutral.)  1. They've been looking to fill this position since November, so they are likely really eager to hire someone with my experience. (Slight pro.)  If all goes well in the interview process, I'll likely accept this job. My two questions are:  1. Would I be burning bridges by accepting the new job? I just started a kinda-new position at my current employer and I feel like I may be screwing them over by leaving so soon after this switch.  1. Given that they are likely really eager to hire someone for this long-open position, and given that I'd be taking a pay cut (and they'd be aware of this when I tell them my salary requirement) do I have an opportunity to negotiate salary, benefits, etc. with them? I've never had to do such a thing before, and part of me would like some extra compensation for taking the pay hit. However, given that my title will no longer be a \"Manager\", would it be ridiculous of me to still want to be compensated like one?","c_root_id_A":"cz6vdgj","c_root_id_B":"cz6lm8p","created_at_utc_A":1453405754,"created_at_utc_B":1453392347,"score_A":10,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Always negotiate.  It's unusual for a company to offer the highest they'd consider paying you right off the bat.  Usually they offer you something they think is fair but in the middle of \"fair.\"  Never worry about burning bridges by accepting a better job.  You can only burn bridges by doing bad things to your current employer.  Make sure you keep in touch with your current coworkers through non-company assets like personal e-mail addresses and personal phones.  Coworkers you give a damn about, anyway.  They might want to follow you to your new gig, and it's not poaching if they come to you.","human_ref_B":"If your taking a pay cut use that as leverage to get more PTO days.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":13407.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"4200cz","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"I'd take a pay hit if I take a new job; should I negotiate? Also, will I be burning bridges if I take the new job? [x-posted] I've been in my current job as a Quality Manager for 3.5 years. I had two promotions in that time and have gotten 115% of my merit bonuses each year, due to doing a good job here. It's my 2nd job out of college; I was in my first job for about 4 years. Although I'm a manager level, I don't manage anyone but interns - I have a hunch they gave me this promotion and title change so I wouldn't leave. (We have a really high turnover, so someone like me who has been here for a while is more valuable as time goes on.)  At the start of this month, I recently switched to a different area in Quality but kept my title. I just wanted a change in the type of work I was doing, a spot was open, I'd worked for the director before, so I figured it would be a good spot. Plus, I've been bored for quite a while.  Well, last week I got an email from a recruiter that actually sparked my interest. I have a phone screen today with HR before I presumably move to the next level to an in-person interview with the hiring manager.  My issues are:  1. I'd take a 10% pay hit if I take this job. (Big con.)  1. I'd have a title change back down to a Senior Engineer. (Slight con.)  1. My work-life balance would be immensely better. (Huge pro.)  1. My commute would be 40% of what it is now, and I wouldn't have to pay tolls each way. (Pro.)  1. The job responsibilities are nearly identical to the one I just switched out of internally at my current employer; the only difference is that it's in a different industry with all sorts of regulations I've never dealt with before. (Neutral.)  1. They've been looking to fill this position since November, so they are likely really eager to hire someone with my experience. (Slight pro.)  If all goes well in the interview process, I'll likely accept this job. My two questions are:  1. Would I be burning bridges by accepting the new job? I just started a kinda-new position at my current employer and I feel like I may be screwing them over by leaving so soon after this switch.  1. Given that they are likely really eager to hire someone for this long-open position, and given that I'd be taking a pay cut (and they'd be aware of this when I tell them my salary requirement) do I have an opportunity to negotiate salary, benefits, etc. with them? I've never had to do such a thing before, and part of me would like some extra compensation for taking the pay hit. However, given that my title will no longer be a \"Manager\", would it be ridiculous of me to still want to be compensated like one?","c_root_id_A":"cz6vdgj","c_root_id_B":"cz6otr4","created_at_utc_A":1453405754,"created_at_utc_B":1453396872,"score_A":10,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Always negotiate.  It's unusual for a company to offer the highest they'd consider paying you right off the bat.  Usually they offer you something they think is fair but in the middle of \"fair.\"  Never worry about burning bridges by accepting a better job.  You can only burn bridges by doing bad things to your current employer.  Make sure you keep in touch with your current coworkers through non-company assets like personal e-mail addresses and personal phones.  Coworkers you give a damn about, anyway.  They might want to follow you to your new gig, and it's not poaching if they come to you.","human_ref_B":"Sounds like you may be counting your chickens before they hatch.  However, definitely try to negotiate.  Don't use your current pay.  Research salaries for similar positions and experience.  Give them the range that you are looking at.  Don't worry about burning bridges.  Managers understand employees do what is best for themselves.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8882.0,"score_ratio":2.5}
{"post_id":"4200cz","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"I'd take a pay hit if I take a new job; should I negotiate? Also, will I be burning bridges if I take the new job? [x-posted] I've been in my current job as a Quality Manager for 3.5 years. I had two promotions in that time and have gotten 115% of my merit bonuses each year, due to doing a good job here. It's my 2nd job out of college; I was in my first job for about 4 years. Although I'm a manager level, I don't manage anyone but interns - I have a hunch they gave me this promotion and title change so I wouldn't leave. (We have a really high turnover, so someone like me who has been here for a while is more valuable as time goes on.)  At the start of this month, I recently switched to a different area in Quality but kept my title. I just wanted a change in the type of work I was doing, a spot was open, I'd worked for the director before, so I figured it would be a good spot. Plus, I've been bored for quite a while.  Well, last week I got an email from a recruiter that actually sparked my interest. I have a phone screen today with HR before I presumably move to the next level to an in-person interview with the hiring manager.  My issues are:  1. I'd take a 10% pay hit if I take this job. (Big con.)  1. I'd have a title change back down to a Senior Engineer. (Slight con.)  1. My work-life balance would be immensely better. (Huge pro.)  1. My commute would be 40% of what it is now, and I wouldn't have to pay tolls each way. (Pro.)  1. The job responsibilities are nearly identical to the one I just switched out of internally at my current employer; the only difference is that it's in a different industry with all sorts of regulations I've never dealt with before. (Neutral.)  1. They've been looking to fill this position since November, so they are likely really eager to hire someone with my experience. (Slight pro.)  If all goes well in the interview process, I'll likely accept this job. My two questions are:  1. Would I be burning bridges by accepting the new job? I just started a kinda-new position at my current employer and I feel like I may be screwing them over by leaving so soon after this switch.  1. Given that they are likely really eager to hire someone for this long-open position, and given that I'd be taking a pay cut (and they'd be aware of this when I tell them my salary requirement) do I have an opportunity to negotiate salary, benefits, etc. with them? I've never had to do such a thing before, and part of me would like some extra compensation for taking the pay hit. However, given that my title will no longer be a \"Manager\", would it be ridiculous of me to still want to be compensated like one?","c_root_id_A":"cz6vdgj","c_root_id_B":"cz6qyqz","created_at_utc_A":1453405754,"created_at_utc_B":1453399793,"score_A":10,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Always negotiate.  It's unusual for a company to offer the highest they'd consider paying you right off the bat.  Usually they offer you something they think is fair but in the middle of \"fair.\"  Never worry about burning bridges by accepting a better job.  You can only burn bridges by doing bad things to your current employer.  Make sure you keep in touch with your current coworkers through non-company assets like personal e-mail addresses and personal phones.  Coworkers you give a damn about, anyway.  They might want to follow you to your new gig, and it's not poaching if they come to you.","human_ref_B":"Habe you considered the value of less working hours and shorter travel time? How do they compare to the reduced salary?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5961.0,"score_ratio":3.3333333333}
{"post_id":"4200cz","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"I'd take a pay hit if I take a new job; should I negotiate? Also, will I be burning bridges if I take the new job? [x-posted] I've been in my current job as a Quality Manager for 3.5 years. I had two promotions in that time and have gotten 115% of my merit bonuses each year, due to doing a good job here. It's my 2nd job out of college; I was in my first job for about 4 years. Although I'm a manager level, I don't manage anyone but interns - I have a hunch they gave me this promotion and title change so I wouldn't leave. (We have a really high turnover, so someone like me who has been here for a while is more valuable as time goes on.)  At the start of this month, I recently switched to a different area in Quality but kept my title. I just wanted a change in the type of work I was doing, a spot was open, I'd worked for the director before, so I figured it would be a good spot. Plus, I've been bored for quite a while.  Well, last week I got an email from a recruiter that actually sparked my interest. I have a phone screen today with HR before I presumably move to the next level to an in-person interview with the hiring manager.  My issues are:  1. I'd take a 10% pay hit if I take this job. (Big con.)  1. I'd have a title change back down to a Senior Engineer. (Slight con.)  1. My work-life balance would be immensely better. (Huge pro.)  1. My commute would be 40% of what it is now, and I wouldn't have to pay tolls each way. (Pro.)  1. The job responsibilities are nearly identical to the one I just switched out of internally at my current employer; the only difference is that it's in a different industry with all sorts of regulations I've never dealt with before. (Neutral.)  1. They've been looking to fill this position since November, so they are likely really eager to hire someone with my experience. (Slight pro.)  If all goes well in the interview process, I'll likely accept this job. My two questions are:  1. Would I be burning bridges by accepting the new job? I just started a kinda-new position at my current employer and I feel like I may be screwing them over by leaving so soon after this switch.  1. Given that they are likely really eager to hire someone for this long-open position, and given that I'd be taking a pay cut (and they'd be aware of this when I tell them my salary requirement) do I have an opportunity to negotiate salary, benefits, etc. with them? I've never had to do such a thing before, and part of me would like some extra compensation for taking the pay hit. However, given that my title will no longer be a \"Manager\", would it be ridiculous of me to still want to be compensated like one?","c_root_id_A":"cz6ls19","c_root_id_B":"cz6vdgj","created_at_utc_A":1453392585,"created_at_utc_B":1453405754,"score_A":2,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"Have you considered moving closer to work?","human_ref_B":"Always negotiate.  It's unusual for a company to offer the highest they'd consider paying you right off the bat.  Usually they offer you something they think is fair but in the middle of \"fair.\"  Never worry about burning bridges by accepting a better job.  You can only burn bridges by doing bad things to your current employer.  Make sure you keep in touch with your current coworkers through non-company assets like personal e-mail addresses and personal phones.  Coworkers you give a damn about, anyway.  They might want to follow you to your new gig, and it's not poaching if they come to you.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":13169.0,"score_ratio":5.0}
{"post_id":"4200cz","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"I'd take a pay hit if I take a new job; should I negotiate? Also, will I be burning bridges if I take the new job? [x-posted] I've been in my current job as a Quality Manager for 3.5 years. I had two promotions in that time and have gotten 115% of my merit bonuses each year, due to doing a good job here. It's my 2nd job out of college; I was in my first job for about 4 years. Although I'm a manager level, I don't manage anyone but interns - I have a hunch they gave me this promotion and title change so I wouldn't leave. (We have a really high turnover, so someone like me who has been here for a while is more valuable as time goes on.)  At the start of this month, I recently switched to a different area in Quality but kept my title. I just wanted a change in the type of work I was doing, a spot was open, I'd worked for the director before, so I figured it would be a good spot. Plus, I've been bored for quite a while.  Well, last week I got an email from a recruiter that actually sparked my interest. I have a phone screen today with HR before I presumably move to the next level to an in-person interview with the hiring manager.  My issues are:  1. I'd take a 10% pay hit if I take this job. (Big con.)  1. I'd have a title change back down to a Senior Engineer. (Slight con.)  1. My work-life balance would be immensely better. (Huge pro.)  1. My commute would be 40% of what it is now, and I wouldn't have to pay tolls each way. (Pro.)  1. The job responsibilities are nearly identical to the one I just switched out of internally at my current employer; the only difference is that it's in a different industry with all sorts of regulations I've never dealt with before. (Neutral.)  1. They've been looking to fill this position since November, so they are likely really eager to hire someone with my experience. (Slight pro.)  If all goes well in the interview process, I'll likely accept this job. My two questions are:  1. Would I be burning bridges by accepting the new job? I just started a kinda-new position at my current employer and I feel like I may be screwing them over by leaving so soon after this switch.  1. Given that they are likely really eager to hire someone for this long-open position, and given that I'd be taking a pay cut (and they'd be aware of this when I tell them my salary requirement) do I have an opportunity to negotiate salary, benefits, etc. with them? I've never had to do such a thing before, and part of me would like some extra compensation for taking the pay hit. However, given that my title will no longer be a \"Manager\", would it be ridiculous of me to still want to be compensated like one?","c_root_id_A":"cz6h7iw","c_root_id_B":"cz6inka","created_at_utc_A":1453384931,"created_at_utc_B":1453387642,"score_A":7,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"I think you can definitely negotiate on salary and benefits. Given that the responsibilities are the same, just different regs, one strategy (if they don't go for a higher salary off the bat) would be to ask for an accelerated review process, ie you get 3 months at their salary in order to get up to speed and then at the review, you negotiate for a higher salary given that you're now just as valuable as you were at your old job, and you have proven you can learn the new industry quickly.  Basically, go for it until you think it won't work.","human_ref_B":"Considering a job's title is a mistake, imho. Tere is little to no consistency between, or even within, companies.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2711.0,"score_ratio":1.1428571429}
{"post_id":"4200cz","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"I'd take a pay hit if I take a new job; should I negotiate? Also, will I be burning bridges if I take the new job? [x-posted] I've been in my current job as a Quality Manager for 3.5 years. I had two promotions in that time and have gotten 115% of my merit bonuses each year, due to doing a good job here. It's my 2nd job out of college; I was in my first job for about 4 years. Although I'm a manager level, I don't manage anyone but interns - I have a hunch they gave me this promotion and title change so I wouldn't leave. (We have a really high turnover, so someone like me who has been here for a while is more valuable as time goes on.)  At the start of this month, I recently switched to a different area in Quality but kept my title. I just wanted a change in the type of work I was doing, a spot was open, I'd worked for the director before, so I figured it would be a good spot. Plus, I've been bored for quite a while.  Well, last week I got an email from a recruiter that actually sparked my interest. I have a phone screen today with HR before I presumably move to the next level to an in-person interview with the hiring manager.  My issues are:  1. I'd take a 10% pay hit if I take this job. (Big con.)  1. I'd have a title change back down to a Senior Engineer. (Slight con.)  1. My work-life balance would be immensely better. (Huge pro.)  1. My commute would be 40% of what it is now, and I wouldn't have to pay tolls each way. (Pro.)  1. The job responsibilities are nearly identical to the one I just switched out of internally at my current employer; the only difference is that it's in a different industry with all sorts of regulations I've never dealt with before. (Neutral.)  1. They've been looking to fill this position since November, so they are likely really eager to hire someone with my experience. (Slight pro.)  If all goes well in the interview process, I'll likely accept this job. My two questions are:  1. Would I be burning bridges by accepting the new job? I just started a kinda-new position at my current employer and I feel like I may be screwing them over by leaving so soon after this switch.  1. Given that they are likely really eager to hire someone for this long-open position, and given that I'd be taking a pay cut (and they'd be aware of this when I tell them my salary requirement) do I have an opportunity to negotiate salary, benefits, etc. with them? I've never had to do such a thing before, and part of me would like some extra compensation for taking the pay hit. However, given that my title will no longer be a \"Manager\", would it be ridiculous of me to still want to be compensated like one?","c_root_id_A":"cz6otr4","c_root_id_B":"cz6ls19","created_at_utc_A":1453396872,"created_at_utc_B":1453392585,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Sounds like you may be counting your chickens before they hatch.  However, definitely try to negotiate.  Don't use your current pay.  Research salaries for similar positions and experience.  Give them the range that you are looking at.  Don't worry about burning bridges.  Managers understand employees do what is best for themselves.","human_ref_B":"Have you considered moving closer to work?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4287.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"4200cz","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"I'd take a pay hit if I take a new job; should I negotiate? Also, will I be burning bridges if I take the new job? [x-posted] I've been in my current job as a Quality Manager for 3.5 years. I had two promotions in that time and have gotten 115% of my merit bonuses each year, due to doing a good job here. It's my 2nd job out of college; I was in my first job for about 4 years. Although I'm a manager level, I don't manage anyone but interns - I have a hunch they gave me this promotion and title change so I wouldn't leave. (We have a really high turnover, so someone like me who has been here for a while is more valuable as time goes on.)  At the start of this month, I recently switched to a different area in Quality but kept my title. I just wanted a change in the type of work I was doing, a spot was open, I'd worked for the director before, so I figured it would be a good spot. Plus, I've been bored for quite a while.  Well, last week I got an email from a recruiter that actually sparked my interest. I have a phone screen today with HR before I presumably move to the next level to an in-person interview with the hiring manager.  My issues are:  1. I'd take a 10% pay hit if I take this job. (Big con.)  1. I'd have a title change back down to a Senior Engineer. (Slight con.)  1. My work-life balance would be immensely better. (Huge pro.)  1. My commute would be 40% of what it is now, and I wouldn't have to pay tolls each way. (Pro.)  1. The job responsibilities are nearly identical to the one I just switched out of internally at my current employer; the only difference is that it's in a different industry with all sorts of regulations I've never dealt with before. (Neutral.)  1. They've been looking to fill this position since November, so they are likely really eager to hire someone with my experience. (Slight pro.)  If all goes well in the interview process, I'll likely accept this job. My two questions are:  1. Would I be burning bridges by accepting the new job? I just started a kinda-new position at my current employer and I feel like I may be screwing them over by leaving so soon after this switch.  1. Given that they are likely really eager to hire someone for this long-open position, and given that I'd be taking a pay cut (and they'd be aware of this when I tell them my salary requirement) do I have an opportunity to negotiate salary, benefits, etc. with them? I've never had to do such a thing before, and part of me would like some extra compensation for taking the pay hit. However, given that my title will no longer be a \"Manager\", would it be ridiculous of me to still want to be compensated like one?","c_root_id_A":"cz6qyqz","c_root_id_B":"cz6wh8g","created_at_utc_A":1453399793,"created_at_utc_B":1453407265,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Habe you considered the value of less working hours and shorter travel time? How do they compare to the reduced salary?","human_ref_B":"You should negotiate in any case, even if you would have more than your previous job. If they are looking for someone since November and they have already choose you, the ball is in your camp. Tell them you were hoping 5% than your previous job or if they didn't know yet how much you've got now, tell them that you will not accept less than before and tell them that you are earning 5% that the reality. In this situation if they really want you you will get at least the same salary. In the worst case they don't want to go higher but they will not refuse you the position if you accept their price.  An if you accept the lower price give you best especially 3-4 months before next rising slot and ask them for 15% more after your good results and they should give you at the very least 5%. Getting someone new and forming it again from zero cost a lot more, so they will be sure that you don't leave after a couple of years.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7472.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"4200cz","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"I'd take a pay hit if I take a new job; should I negotiate? Also, will I be burning bridges if I take the new job? [x-posted] I've been in my current job as a Quality Manager for 3.5 years. I had two promotions in that time and have gotten 115% of my merit bonuses each year, due to doing a good job here. It's my 2nd job out of college; I was in my first job for about 4 years. Although I'm a manager level, I don't manage anyone but interns - I have a hunch they gave me this promotion and title change so I wouldn't leave. (We have a really high turnover, so someone like me who has been here for a while is more valuable as time goes on.)  At the start of this month, I recently switched to a different area in Quality but kept my title. I just wanted a change in the type of work I was doing, a spot was open, I'd worked for the director before, so I figured it would be a good spot. Plus, I've been bored for quite a while.  Well, last week I got an email from a recruiter that actually sparked my interest. I have a phone screen today with HR before I presumably move to the next level to an in-person interview with the hiring manager.  My issues are:  1. I'd take a 10% pay hit if I take this job. (Big con.)  1. I'd have a title change back down to a Senior Engineer. (Slight con.)  1. My work-life balance would be immensely better. (Huge pro.)  1. My commute would be 40% of what it is now, and I wouldn't have to pay tolls each way. (Pro.)  1. The job responsibilities are nearly identical to the one I just switched out of internally at my current employer; the only difference is that it's in a different industry with all sorts of regulations I've never dealt with before. (Neutral.)  1. They've been looking to fill this position since November, so they are likely really eager to hire someone with my experience. (Slight pro.)  If all goes well in the interview process, I'll likely accept this job. My two questions are:  1. Would I be burning bridges by accepting the new job? I just started a kinda-new position at my current employer and I feel like I may be screwing them over by leaving so soon after this switch.  1. Given that they are likely really eager to hire someone for this long-open position, and given that I'd be taking a pay cut (and they'd be aware of this when I tell them my salary requirement) do I have an opportunity to negotiate salary, benefits, etc. with them? I've never had to do such a thing before, and part of me would like some extra compensation for taking the pay hit. However, given that my title will no longer be a \"Manager\", would it be ridiculous of me to still want to be compensated like one?","c_root_id_A":"cz6wh8g","c_root_id_B":"cz6ls19","created_at_utc_A":1453407265,"created_at_utc_B":1453392585,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"You should negotiate in any case, even if you would have more than your previous job. If they are looking for someone since November and they have already choose you, the ball is in your camp. Tell them you were hoping 5% than your previous job or if they didn't know yet how much you've got now, tell them that you will not accept less than before and tell them that you are earning 5% that the reality. In this situation if they really want you you will get at least the same salary. In the worst case they don't want to go higher but they will not refuse you the position if you accept their price.  An if you accept the lower price give you best especially 3-4 months before next rising slot and ask them for 15% more after your good results and they should give you at the very least 5%. Getting someone new and forming it again from zero cost a lot more, so they will be sure that you don't leave after a couple of years.","human_ref_B":"Have you considered moving closer to work?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":14680.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"4200cz","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"I'd take a pay hit if I take a new job; should I negotiate? Also, will I be burning bridges if I take the new job? [x-posted] I've been in my current job as a Quality Manager for 3.5 years. I had two promotions in that time and have gotten 115% of my merit bonuses each year, due to doing a good job here. It's my 2nd job out of college; I was in my first job for about 4 years. Although I'm a manager level, I don't manage anyone but interns - I have a hunch they gave me this promotion and title change so I wouldn't leave. (We have a really high turnover, so someone like me who has been here for a while is more valuable as time goes on.)  At the start of this month, I recently switched to a different area in Quality but kept my title. I just wanted a change in the type of work I was doing, a spot was open, I'd worked for the director before, so I figured it would be a good spot. Plus, I've been bored for quite a while.  Well, last week I got an email from a recruiter that actually sparked my interest. I have a phone screen today with HR before I presumably move to the next level to an in-person interview with the hiring manager.  My issues are:  1. I'd take a 10% pay hit if I take this job. (Big con.)  1. I'd have a title change back down to a Senior Engineer. (Slight con.)  1. My work-life balance would be immensely better. (Huge pro.)  1. My commute would be 40% of what it is now, and I wouldn't have to pay tolls each way. (Pro.)  1. The job responsibilities are nearly identical to the one I just switched out of internally at my current employer; the only difference is that it's in a different industry with all sorts of regulations I've never dealt with before. (Neutral.)  1. They've been looking to fill this position since November, so they are likely really eager to hire someone with my experience. (Slight pro.)  If all goes well in the interview process, I'll likely accept this job. My two questions are:  1. Would I be burning bridges by accepting the new job? I just started a kinda-new position at my current employer and I feel like I may be screwing them over by leaving so soon after this switch.  1. Given that they are likely really eager to hire someone for this long-open position, and given that I'd be taking a pay cut (and they'd be aware of this when I tell them my salary requirement) do I have an opportunity to negotiate salary, benefits, etc. with them? I've never had to do such a thing before, and part of me would like some extra compensation for taking the pay hit. However, given that my title will no longer be a \"Manager\", would it be ridiculous of me to still want to be compensated like one?","c_root_id_A":"cz6ls19","c_root_id_B":"cz6qyqz","created_at_utc_A":1453392585,"created_at_utc_B":1453399793,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Have you considered moving closer to work?","human_ref_B":"Habe you considered the value of less working hours and shorter travel time? How do they compare to the reduced salary?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7208.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"4200cz","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"I'd take a pay hit if I take a new job; should I negotiate? Also, will I be burning bridges if I take the new job? [x-posted] I've been in my current job as a Quality Manager for 3.5 years. I had two promotions in that time and have gotten 115% of my merit bonuses each year, due to doing a good job here. It's my 2nd job out of college; I was in my first job for about 4 years. Although I'm a manager level, I don't manage anyone but interns - I have a hunch they gave me this promotion and title change so I wouldn't leave. (We have a really high turnover, so someone like me who has been here for a while is more valuable as time goes on.)  At the start of this month, I recently switched to a different area in Quality but kept my title. I just wanted a change in the type of work I was doing, a spot was open, I'd worked for the director before, so I figured it would be a good spot. Plus, I've been bored for quite a while.  Well, last week I got an email from a recruiter that actually sparked my interest. I have a phone screen today with HR before I presumably move to the next level to an in-person interview with the hiring manager.  My issues are:  1. I'd take a 10% pay hit if I take this job. (Big con.)  1. I'd have a title change back down to a Senior Engineer. (Slight con.)  1. My work-life balance would be immensely better. (Huge pro.)  1. My commute would be 40% of what it is now, and I wouldn't have to pay tolls each way. (Pro.)  1. The job responsibilities are nearly identical to the one I just switched out of internally at my current employer; the only difference is that it's in a different industry with all sorts of regulations I've never dealt with before. (Neutral.)  1. They've been looking to fill this position since November, so they are likely really eager to hire someone with my experience. (Slight pro.)  If all goes well in the interview process, I'll likely accept this job. My two questions are:  1. Would I be burning bridges by accepting the new job? I just started a kinda-new position at my current employer and I feel like I may be screwing them over by leaving so soon after this switch.  1. Given that they are likely really eager to hire someone for this long-open position, and given that I'd be taking a pay cut (and they'd be aware of this when I tell them my salary requirement) do I have an opportunity to negotiate salary, benefits, etc. with them? I've never had to do such a thing before, and part of me would like some extra compensation for taking the pay hit. However, given that my title will no longer be a \"Manager\", would it be ridiculous of me to still want to be compensated like one?","c_root_id_A":"cz6ls19","c_root_id_B":"cz70gd7","created_at_utc_A":1453392585,"created_at_utc_B":1453412781,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Have you considered moving closer to work?","human_ref_B":"Everything is negotiable.  The most important things to negotiate for a new position are salary, sick time, and vacation time.  Also be sure to consider the Total Compensation of the package should you get an offer.  Things like healthcare or bonus\/no bonus can offset the up front 10% reduction you are anticipating.  At the end of the day, if they like you and you like them then you should be able to come to an agreement that works for everyone.  Other compensation related things to consider are the reduction in commute and savings in tolls.  Not sure what you're scenario is, but say you pay $5 in tolls every day.  x250 workdays = $1250 saved there.  If you go from a 50 minute commute to 20 minutes, you're saving money on gas and your personal time too.  I like to value my personal time as high or higher than my actual pay rate.  If you get paid $50\/hr and you save half an hour in commuting each way, that's an hour saved every day or $50 in value.  x250 workdays is $12500 in personal time.  Speaking from personal experience, minimizing my time spent from the time I walk out of my house in the morning to walking back in at night is very important.  Best of luck.  It's just work.  Make money, but more importantly try to make yourself happy.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":20196.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"4200cz","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"I'd take a pay hit if I take a new job; should I negotiate? Also, will I be burning bridges if I take the new job? [x-posted] I've been in my current job as a Quality Manager for 3.5 years. I had two promotions in that time and have gotten 115% of my merit bonuses each year, due to doing a good job here. It's my 2nd job out of college; I was in my first job for about 4 years. Although I'm a manager level, I don't manage anyone but interns - I have a hunch they gave me this promotion and title change so I wouldn't leave. (We have a really high turnover, so someone like me who has been here for a while is more valuable as time goes on.)  At the start of this month, I recently switched to a different area in Quality but kept my title. I just wanted a change in the type of work I was doing, a spot was open, I'd worked for the director before, so I figured it would be a good spot. Plus, I've been bored for quite a while.  Well, last week I got an email from a recruiter that actually sparked my interest. I have a phone screen today with HR before I presumably move to the next level to an in-person interview with the hiring manager.  My issues are:  1. I'd take a 10% pay hit if I take this job. (Big con.)  1. I'd have a title change back down to a Senior Engineer. (Slight con.)  1. My work-life balance would be immensely better. (Huge pro.)  1. My commute would be 40% of what it is now, and I wouldn't have to pay tolls each way. (Pro.)  1. The job responsibilities are nearly identical to the one I just switched out of internally at my current employer; the only difference is that it's in a different industry with all sorts of regulations I've never dealt with before. (Neutral.)  1. They've been looking to fill this position since November, so they are likely really eager to hire someone with my experience. (Slight pro.)  If all goes well in the interview process, I'll likely accept this job. My two questions are:  1. Would I be burning bridges by accepting the new job? I just started a kinda-new position at my current employer and I feel like I may be screwing them over by leaving so soon after this switch.  1. Given that they are likely really eager to hire someone for this long-open position, and given that I'd be taking a pay cut (and they'd be aware of this when I tell them my salary requirement) do I have an opportunity to negotiate salary, benefits, etc. with them? I've never had to do such a thing before, and part of me would like some extra compensation for taking the pay hit. However, given that my title will no longer be a \"Manager\", would it be ridiculous of me to still want to be compensated like one?","c_root_id_A":"cz70gd7","c_root_id_B":"cz70cer","created_at_utc_A":1453412781,"created_at_utc_B":1453412627,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Everything is negotiable.  The most important things to negotiate for a new position are salary, sick time, and vacation time.  Also be sure to consider the Total Compensation of the package should you get an offer.  Things like healthcare or bonus\/no bonus can offset the up front 10% reduction you are anticipating.  At the end of the day, if they like you and you like them then you should be able to come to an agreement that works for everyone.  Other compensation related things to consider are the reduction in commute and savings in tolls.  Not sure what you're scenario is, but say you pay $5 in tolls every day.  x250 workdays = $1250 saved there.  If you go from a 50 minute commute to 20 minutes, you're saving money on gas and your personal time too.  I like to value my personal time as high or higher than my actual pay rate.  If you get paid $50\/hr and you save half an hour in commuting each way, that's an hour saved every day or $50 in value.  x250 workdays is $12500 in personal time.  Speaking from personal experience, minimizing my time spent from the time I walk out of my house in the morning to walking back in at night is very important.  Best of luck.  It's just work.  Make money, but more importantly try to make yourself happy.","human_ref_B":"my advice:  do the interview. wait for an offer, and negotiate it.   \"hey buddy, i'm not going to take the offer because it's a pay cut\" is a pretty strong card to play, esp. if you're currently employed.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":154.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"4200cz","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"I'd take a pay hit if I take a new job; should I negotiate? Also, will I be burning bridges if I take the new job? [x-posted] I've been in my current job as a Quality Manager for 3.5 years. I had two promotions in that time and have gotten 115% of my merit bonuses each year, due to doing a good job here. It's my 2nd job out of college; I was in my first job for about 4 years. Although I'm a manager level, I don't manage anyone but interns - I have a hunch they gave me this promotion and title change so I wouldn't leave. (We have a really high turnover, so someone like me who has been here for a while is more valuable as time goes on.)  At the start of this month, I recently switched to a different area in Quality but kept my title. I just wanted a change in the type of work I was doing, a spot was open, I'd worked for the director before, so I figured it would be a good spot. Plus, I've been bored for quite a while.  Well, last week I got an email from a recruiter that actually sparked my interest. I have a phone screen today with HR before I presumably move to the next level to an in-person interview with the hiring manager.  My issues are:  1. I'd take a 10% pay hit if I take this job. (Big con.)  1. I'd have a title change back down to a Senior Engineer. (Slight con.)  1. My work-life balance would be immensely better. (Huge pro.)  1. My commute would be 40% of what it is now, and I wouldn't have to pay tolls each way. (Pro.)  1. The job responsibilities are nearly identical to the one I just switched out of internally at my current employer; the only difference is that it's in a different industry with all sorts of regulations I've never dealt with before. (Neutral.)  1. They've been looking to fill this position since November, so they are likely really eager to hire someone with my experience. (Slight pro.)  If all goes well in the interview process, I'll likely accept this job. My two questions are:  1. Would I be burning bridges by accepting the new job? I just started a kinda-new position at my current employer and I feel like I may be screwing them over by leaving so soon after this switch.  1. Given that they are likely really eager to hire someone for this long-open position, and given that I'd be taking a pay cut (and they'd be aware of this when I tell them my salary requirement) do I have an opportunity to negotiate salary, benefits, etc. with them? I've never had to do such a thing before, and part of me would like some extra compensation for taking the pay hit. However, given that my title will no longer be a \"Manager\", would it be ridiculous of me to still want to be compensated like one?","c_root_id_A":"cz71piq","c_root_id_B":"cz6ls19","created_at_utc_A":1453414589,"created_at_utc_B":1453392585,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Sounds like you need to build a House of Quality to quantify these difficult variables!","human_ref_B":"Have you considered moving closer to work?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":22004.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"4200cz","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"I'd take a pay hit if I take a new job; should I negotiate? Also, will I be burning bridges if I take the new job? [x-posted] I've been in my current job as a Quality Manager for 3.5 years. I had two promotions in that time and have gotten 115% of my merit bonuses each year, due to doing a good job here. It's my 2nd job out of college; I was in my first job for about 4 years. Although I'm a manager level, I don't manage anyone but interns - I have a hunch they gave me this promotion and title change so I wouldn't leave. (We have a really high turnover, so someone like me who has been here for a while is more valuable as time goes on.)  At the start of this month, I recently switched to a different area in Quality but kept my title. I just wanted a change in the type of work I was doing, a spot was open, I'd worked for the director before, so I figured it would be a good spot. Plus, I've been bored for quite a while.  Well, last week I got an email from a recruiter that actually sparked my interest. I have a phone screen today with HR before I presumably move to the next level to an in-person interview with the hiring manager.  My issues are:  1. I'd take a 10% pay hit if I take this job. (Big con.)  1. I'd have a title change back down to a Senior Engineer. (Slight con.)  1. My work-life balance would be immensely better. (Huge pro.)  1. My commute would be 40% of what it is now, and I wouldn't have to pay tolls each way. (Pro.)  1. The job responsibilities are nearly identical to the one I just switched out of internally at my current employer; the only difference is that it's in a different industry with all sorts of regulations I've never dealt with before. (Neutral.)  1. They've been looking to fill this position since November, so they are likely really eager to hire someone with my experience. (Slight pro.)  If all goes well in the interview process, I'll likely accept this job. My two questions are:  1. Would I be burning bridges by accepting the new job? I just started a kinda-new position at my current employer and I feel like I may be screwing them over by leaving so soon after this switch.  1. Given that they are likely really eager to hire someone for this long-open position, and given that I'd be taking a pay cut (and they'd be aware of this when I tell them my salary requirement) do I have an opportunity to negotiate salary, benefits, etc. with them? I've never had to do such a thing before, and part of me would like some extra compensation for taking the pay hit. However, given that my title will no longer be a \"Manager\", would it be ridiculous of me to still want to be compensated like one?","c_root_id_A":"cz70cer","c_root_id_B":"cz71piq","created_at_utc_A":1453412627,"created_at_utc_B":1453414589,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"my advice:  do the interview. wait for an offer, and negotiate it.   \"hey buddy, i'm not going to take the offer because it's a pay cut\" is a pretty strong card to play, esp. if you're currently employed.","human_ref_B":"Sounds like you need to build a House of Quality to quantify these difficult variables!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1962.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"jvkpwr","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How would you design a bunker to withstand the largest known asteroid impacts? The Chicxulub Impactor (**100m mt**) apparently caused local seismic shockwaves of magnitude 12, and magnitude 9 on the other side of the planet. I have not found estimates for the shockwaves created by the Vredefort or Sudbury impactors but assume these would have been similar or even greater. My question is, how would you go about designing a bunker capable of surviving the shock of such an impact indirectly? (i.e. the crust the bunker is located in isn't close enough to be vaporised or ejected into space). What would the seismic engineering required look like? What kind of depth and geology would be ideal considering stability and overburden? Could a bunker capable of this specification ever be designed? Or would any and all structures across the Earth be totally destroyed?","c_root_id_A":"gckkqr5","c_root_id_B":"gckmhj2","created_at_utc_A":1605581288,"created_at_utc_B":1605582234,"score_A":10,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"What\u2019s your goal?     Survival? Immediately being able to re-enter the building when it\u2019s over? Continued operations?    Each has a different solution. Personally I would say you would need some type of isolation, like base isolators, and then a robust and redundant structure designed to stay elastic but detailed for inelasticity behavior.","human_ref_B":"Why redesign what has already been made?  Go buy an old nuclear middle silo. https:\/\/www.loveproperty.com\/galleries\/91803\/awesome-abandoned-bunkers-for-sale  Most are designed to take indirect nuclear attacks and it is far cheaper to retrofit and existing structure than to build from new. Plus they cost less than a house in the SF Bay Area.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":946.0,"score_ratio":1.7}
{"post_id":"jvkpwr","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How would you design a bunker to withstand the largest known asteroid impacts? The Chicxulub Impactor (**100m mt**) apparently caused local seismic shockwaves of magnitude 12, and magnitude 9 on the other side of the planet. I have not found estimates for the shockwaves created by the Vredefort or Sudbury impactors but assume these would have been similar or even greater. My question is, how would you go about designing a bunker capable of surviving the shock of such an impact indirectly? (i.e. the crust the bunker is located in isn't close enough to be vaporised or ejected into space). What would the seismic engineering required look like? What kind of depth and geology would be ideal considering stability and overburden? Could a bunker capable of this specification ever be designed? Or would any and all structures across the Earth be totally destroyed?","c_root_id_A":"gckmhj2","c_root_id_B":"gckl9hk","created_at_utc_A":1605582234,"created_at_utc_B":1605581566,"score_A":17,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Why redesign what has already been made?  Go buy an old nuclear middle silo. https:\/\/www.loveproperty.com\/galleries\/91803\/awesome-abandoned-bunkers-for-sale  Most are designed to take indirect nuclear attacks and it is far cheaper to retrofit and existing structure than to build from new. Plus they cost less than a house in the SF Bay Area.","human_ref_B":"Hah, that's a really cool thing to think about how to design actually.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":668.0,"score_ratio":5.6666666667}
{"post_id":"jvkpwr","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How would you design a bunker to withstand the largest known asteroid impacts? The Chicxulub Impactor (**100m mt**) apparently caused local seismic shockwaves of magnitude 12, and magnitude 9 on the other side of the planet. I have not found estimates for the shockwaves created by the Vredefort or Sudbury impactors but assume these would have been similar or even greater. My question is, how would you go about designing a bunker capable of surviving the shock of such an impact indirectly? (i.e. the crust the bunker is located in isn't close enough to be vaporised or ejected into space). What would the seismic engineering required look like? What kind of depth and geology would be ideal considering stability and overburden? Could a bunker capable of this specification ever be designed? Or would any and all structures across the Earth be totally destroyed?","c_root_id_A":"gckrpsq","c_root_id_B":"gckl9hk","created_at_utc_A":1605585179,"created_at_utc_B":1605581566,"score_A":6,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"There are too many variables to meaningfully answer this question.","human_ref_B":"Hah, that's a really cool thing to think about how to design actually.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3613.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"4zboum","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"How do you keep up to date with your industry? So you've been working in a job for so and so years (Mech eng.), you know all what is needed to be known in your work, all the software they use (old versions cuz of certification), old machines (cuz they work), company procedures and best practices. But this does not mean that your are up to date with the industry and if you are layed off you will be seriously outdated. So how can you keep up to date and improving\/acquiring more skills?","c_root_id_A":"d6um75n","c_root_id_B":"d6ukjl0","created_at_utc_A":1472045469,"created_at_utc_B":1472042528,"score_A":8,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Most industries will have associations that have annual or biannual conferences that will have presentations on the work that people are doing that is on the cutting edge. For example, in the water industry there is the Water and Environment Federation (WEF) with regional offshoots that have conferences several times a year. The presentations at these conferences show the work that people in my field are doing to innovate in water treatment, conveyance and stormwater handling.  That's generally how I stay up to date.","human_ref_B":"In my industry their are blogs and publications and textbooks dedicated to data centers. 24x7, datacenter pulse, data center knowledge, ect. Ill skim those to see whats happening but i understand futurism vs progress.  I also branch out a little into other aspects of my particular job. I work as an engineer in a data center, operating metrics and sequence, expansion plans, break fix, root cause analysis, etc. Sometimes ill begin to read up on computer networking, hpc, programming, etc. So that way i can have a full view of the industry and not a focused view of just my job.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2941.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"n9h2i6","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"How \u201coverbuilt\u201d are most structural components? For example, a car chassis you wouldn\u2019t want to *just* be capable of holding the weight of car because of weakening and external influences (bumps in the road, flexing, etc). Same for building structures. Is there a certain percentage over the maximum foreseeable stress that is standard?","c_root_id_A":"gxnrn44","c_root_id_B":"gxnrf2t","created_at_utc_A":1620683841,"created_at_utc_B":1620683740,"score_A":21,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"It\u2019s called Factor of Safety","human_ref_B":"A point of clarification please. Designing the car chassis do that it can take external influences is not overbuilding, you are building it to withstand what it is supposed to withstand. Can you please restate the question or examples do it is clear hat you\u2019re asking. Otherwise the answer is no, structural components are not overbuilt.   A building structure, for example, is not built to just handle the vertical load of the floors above it, depending on where it is we need to take in consideration wind, soil, water, etc.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":101.0,"score_ratio":10.5}
{"post_id":"n9h2i6","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"How \u201coverbuilt\u201d are most structural components? For example, a car chassis you wouldn\u2019t want to *just* be capable of holding the weight of car because of weakening and external influences (bumps in the road, flexing, etc). Same for building structures. Is there a certain percentage over the maximum foreseeable stress that is standard?","c_root_id_A":"gxnrf2t","c_root_id_B":"gxnt978","created_at_utc_A":1620683740,"created_at_utc_B":1620684598,"score_A":2,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"A point of clarification please. Designing the car chassis do that it can take external influences is not overbuilding, you are building it to withstand what it is supposed to withstand. Can you please restate the question or examples do it is clear hat you\u2019re asking. Otherwise the answer is no, structural components are not overbuilt.   A building structure, for example, is not built to just handle the vertical load of the floors above it, depending on where it is we need to take in consideration wind, soil, water, etc.","human_ref_B":"Some of the other comments are skirting the question a bit.  The concept you're referring to is \"safety factor\", and the degree to which it is applied depends on many variables. A safety factor of 1.0 means it is designed to precisely fail at any load above the expected load the object will experience. A safety factor of 1.5 - 2.0 is for designs that have severe weight restrictions that prevent wild overdesigning (e.g. airplane components), or is a general starting point if the design has cost restrictions and no catastrophic effect from a failure, for example. Bridge components might be in the 5\u201310 range (because they can be).  That said, your examples of \"bumps in the road, flexing, etc\" are likely included in the initial estimate of expected loading. A designer will try to estimate the maximum normal conditions likely experienced on a regular basis, and then apply the safety factor to that estimate.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":858.0,"score_ratio":5.0}
{"post_id":"n9h2i6","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"How \u201coverbuilt\u201d are most structural components? For example, a car chassis you wouldn\u2019t want to *just* be capable of holding the weight of car because of weakening and external influences (bumps in the road, flexing, etc). Same for building structures. Is there a certain percentage over the maximum foreseeable stress that is standard?","c_root_id_A":"gxou7vu","c_root_id_B":"gxnrf2t","created_at_utc_A":1620703716,"created_at_utc_B":1620683740,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"There is no such thing as overbuilt, it is \"appropriately designed considering all load cases, time constraint and available budget\" :0)","human_ref_B":"A point of clarification please. Designing the car chassis do that it can take external influences is not overbuilding, you are building it to withstand what it is supposed to withstand. Can you please restate the question or examples do it is clear hat you\u2019re asking. Otherwise the answer is no, structural components are not overbuilt.   A building structure, for example, is not built to just handle the vertical load of the floors above it, depending on where it is we need to take in consideration wind, soil, water, etc.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":19976.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"n9h2i6","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"How \u201coverbuilt\u201d are most structural components? For example, a car chassis you wouldn\u2019t want to *just* be capable of holding the weight of car because of weakening and external influences (bumps in the road, flexing, etc). Same for building structures. Is there a certain percentage over the maximum foreseeable stress that is standard?","c_root_id_A":"gxou7vu","c_root_id_B":"gxo2vqx","created_at_utc_A":1620703716,"created_at_utc_B":1620689317,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"There is no such thing as overbuilt, it is \"appropriately designed considering all load cases, time constraint and available budget\" :0)","human_ref_B":"For oil and gas work, it depends on the application what the safety factor is. My current project is using a 1.0 safety factor using von mises burst and collapse calculations. This component is designed and sold to hold a certain pressure and not to be used passed that. Normally, we design with a 1.1 safety factor in my department. Test fixtures that we design, must be no lower than a 1.25 safety factor and recently have had some sections of the design have a 10+ safety factor just due to the overall design. Test fixtures are stricter on safety factor because the fixtures can have almost 20,000 psi gas pressure contained with personnel near. So in the end, it depends haha.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":14399.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"n9h2i6","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"How \u201coverbuilt\u201d are most structural components? For example, a car chassis you wouldn\u2019t want to *just* be capable of holding the weight of car because of weakening and external influences (bumps in the road, flexing, etc). Same for building structures. Is there a certain percentage over the maximum foreseeable stress that is standard?","c_root_id_A":"gxoanyd","c_root_id_B":"gxou7vu","created_at_utc_A":1620693239,"created_at_utc_B":1620703716,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"For cars the answer is complicated, because there are many load cases. For example in crash the thing is designed to break in a certain way at a certain force (kindasorta), so an additional factor of safety would be unsafe!  However, for circuit cars we design to 3 2 1 ,which sounds good, that is 3 times the static load in Z, and so on. The 1 is a bit shaky I'd be more inclined to use 2 in the other two directions. That works for road cars so long as you don't drive through potholes or over kerbs. Since we do drive over potholes and kerbs, for modern road cars you'll see a lot more than that.","human_ref_B":"There is no such thing as overbuilt, it is \"appropriately designed considering all load cases, time constraint and available budget\" :0)","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10477.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"a0vawa","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.73,"history":"What happens if you fuel a car without first turning off the engine?","c_root_id_A":"eakl529","c_root_id_B":"eakno5p","created_at_utc_A":1543329386,"created_at_utc_B":1543331257,"score_A":7,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"A evap code appear (engine light), fuel tanks are sealed systems ( better emissions+ better gas mileage) so if the car is running and you open the gas cap the car will sense it and it will alert you and say there is a gas leak. Other than that nothing","human_ref_B":"The \"social\" engineering answer to your question is \"you'll be breaking the rules of the gas station\" which will annoy the attendants who have to enforce the rules and possibly alarm other customers who don't know why the rules exist.  Just because your car's not going to explode, doesn't mean you should do it.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1871.0,"score_ratio":1.5714285714}
{"post_id":"ejnlbv","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Remote starting diesel fire pump - please help an Aussie in the fires! Hey folks,  We've been prepping the house all week here in East Gippsland, Victoria, in a likely naive attempt to stop it from burning in these fires. If you haven't seen it, they dwarf what happened earlier in the year in both the US and the Amazon. The fire front is currently about 3km away and today will be very bad fire conditions.   If the house survives today, I want to help my elderly dad start the diesel pump remotely. The pump runs sprinklers on the roof and walls of the house - to stop embers igniting the building. Because water storage is finite, you can't just start the pump on any given day at any level of fire risk and leave the house - the water will run out before the fire comes through. Leave it too late though and you'll likely get stuck and in immediate, grave danger.  I want to be able to remotely start the pump by calling e.g. a prepaid mobile number. Yes I have googled this and yes I am sure I'm on a jihadi watch list now lol. I'm a moderately capable layperson with electronics but not an engineer and not able to design. I usually follow walkthroughs and have built things like a boominator stereo, some audio gear, and a 4.8kwh 24vdc off grid solar system.  We would also set up a webcam so we can see exactly when the embers start arriving from the fire front, and then use the remote start to kick off the motor\/pump. I was thinking that we could hear the pump running via webcam to confirm that we've had a successful ignition, and to try again if required. Not elegant but perhaps would work? I am guessing there may be a better way to sense that the pump is running, by a voltage or motion or heat?  This whole thing would fall down when mobile towers have power outage, but as far as I see it's our best bet. Though could we also have a redundancy e.g. a thermal relay for a couple hundred degrees - so if it detects a temperature that can only be caused by fire, the pump will start anyway?  The diesel motor has a small electric starter motor on it, a standard car battery connected, plus a free-hanging cable we touch onto the positive to kick on the starter motor. I'm guessing something like a relay would be required here?  Thanks so much in advance and stay safe if you're in a bushfire area.   *EDIT: the more I think about this, the more I recognise I need to learn to use Arduino. I could monitor the pump, tank level, webcam, and just run a 4g modem to connect to it all. Thoughts?","c_root_id_A":"fcznfxy","c_root_id_B":"fczuzwp","created_at_utc_A":1578105050,"created_at_utc_B":1578109072,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Modern diesel engines with electronic control universally have automatic start capability built in. If that isn't the case, you can use a counter type panel meter and proximity sensor on the flywheel ring gear to determine engine rpm and terminate the crank cycle.  Beyond that, you'll need to figure out a way to use a cell phone to trigger a relay. I couldn't tell you how specifically.","human_ref_B":"Easiest solution is literally any WiFi based relay and a mobile wifi hotspot.    https:\/\/www.google.com\/search?q=wifi+relay&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4022.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667}
{"post_id":"3d4pww","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Guys, Weird thing is happening. Whenever I turn on a switch of my bulb, my landline telephone starts ringing. It won't stop ringing until I turn off that switch. What is happening? (Details Inside) Ok, So, My landline company's main line attaches on roof of my house to my house's inbuilt telephone line. This house's line is in wall. It has 4 port in my house. I have 4 telephone on same line in 4 room of my house.   There's a switch to LED bulb in 1 room. Whenever I turn on this switch, all 4 landlines start ringing. This ring isn't intermittent like a normal phone call, rather it would be continuous ringing till I turn off that switch. Need help.","c_root_id_A":"ct1uld8","c_root_id_B":"ct1qzrf","created_at_utc_A":1436805466,"created_at_utc_B":1436799627,"score_A":63,"score_B":33,"human_ref_A":"There are two questions: \"What's happening?\" and \"what should I do about it?\"   No matter what the answer to the first question is, the answer to the second question is almost guaranteed to be \"Get either an electrician or someone from the phone company in there.\"   Basically what \/u\/knz said.","human_ref_B":"There is probably an erroneous electrical contact from your switch'es cables to your phone cables.  When did you start noticing this problem? Has anything been changed about your phone or electrical setup prior to the problem starting happening?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5839.0,"score_ratio":1.9090909091}
{"post_id":"3d4pww","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Guys, Weird thing is happening. Whenever I turn on a switch of my bulb, my landline telephone starts ringing. It won't stop ringing until I turn off that switch. What is happening? (Details Inside) Ok, So, My landline company's main line attaches on roof of my house to my house's inbuilt telephone line. This house's line is in wall. It has 4 port in my house. I have 4 telephone on same line in 4 room of my house.   There's a switch to LED bulb in 1 room. Whenever I turn on this switch, all 4 landlines start ringing. This ring isn't intermittent like a normal phone call, rather it would be continuous ringing till I turn off that switch. Need help.","c_root_id_A":"ct1xwix","c_root_id_B":"ct1xnk4","created_at_utc_A":1436810426,"created_at_utc_B":1436810053,"score_A":6,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"\"To ring the telephone to alert a subscriber to an incoming call, about 90 volts of 20 Hz AC current is superimposed over the DC voltage already present on the idle line.\" Wiki. It sounds like the wire after the switch is shorting with the phone line. The safe response is to get an electrician to take a look at it. That said it should be simple enough to turn off the breaker to that room and look in a few places to see where this could have happened. The likely cause is old wire insulation falling apart but it could also be a water leak.","human_ref_B":"That's amazing. In North America and europe ringing is caused by putting a 90 volt 20 hz ac signal on the power line which is normally 48 v dc.  Does it sound like a normal ring or is it faster?  Does this phone have an external power source?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":373.0,"score_ratio":1.2}
{"post_id":"3d4pww","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Guys, Weird thing is happening. Whenever I turn on a switch of my bulb, my landline telephone starts ringing. It won't stop ringing until I turn off that switch. What is happening? (Details Inside) Ok, So, My landline company's main line attaches on roof of my house to my house's inbuilt telephone line. This house's line is in wall. It has 4 port in my house. I have 4 telephone on same line in 4 room of my house.   There's a switch to LED bulb in 1 room. Whenever I turn on this switch, all 4 landlines start ringing. This ring isn't intermittent like a normal phone call, rather it would be continuous ringing till I turn off that switch. Need help.","c_root_id_A":"ct26nsk","c_root_id_B":"ct1xzyo","created_at_utc_A":1436823341,"created_at_utc_B":1436810566,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"My guess would be cross induced voltage, if your phone line parallels the switch leg to the light it could be enough to ring. This is why we don't share holes or run low voltage and regulated voltage together. Most of the time it's fuzzy reception or static on the lines but your case might be an extreme example.   Also, some idiot beforehand may have tied them together somehow.   I'm an electrician, not an engineer.","human_ref_B":"The way that old telephone lines work is that they place a high voltage on the line to make the phone ring, well above the level it takes to send the voice signal through.  More than likely you're causing a short somewhere between an electrical line and your phone line.  Like others have suggested, call the phone or the electrical company immediately.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":12775.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333}
{"post_id":"347d23","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"How much aerodynamics work is done in the car industry? I am a current Aerospace Engineering, but this has always been a interest of mine. Either commercial or racing. What companies do this kind of stuff? Could anyone with knowledge of the industry help me out here? Thanks.","c_root_id_A":"cqsf46s","c_root_id_B":"cqsdrcb","created_at_utc_A":1430293277,"created_at_utc_B":1430288467,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"To add to the other comments, car companies use CFD to optimize coolant flow, intake\/cylinder\/exhaust flow, fuel flow, lubrication, air-conditioning... essentially anything on the car that isn't solid.","human_ref_B":"On top of what some of the others have said, NVH is a huge part of aero in the automotive space. Not only do you need low drag and low lift, but also quiet aerodynamics under a wide variety of operating conditions.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4810.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"3rlet0","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"Ethics: What to do when asked to stamp (PE) but not your job function? Throwaway for reasons. I work for an engineering firm doing some simple electrical design work, I'm the lowest level of engineer here in terms of seniority. About a year ago I got my PE for personal aspiration reasons and haven't used it in the true sense, and so haven't received any salary boost or promotion.      Recently I've been asked if I would stamp some designs (not my project). The principal guy who used to do it has retired and there isn't anyone currently who is able to approve these and finding someone would cause a delay in the project.      I feel this is unfair to me because it is not my job to take on this liability especially because I'm such a low level guy and it is not within my job scope. So I need some advice on how best to approach this:      1. Should I go ahead and review designs for approval but immediately ask for a promotion to an appropriate level within my company (renegotiate salary, etc.) because I may be the sole PE for a while?      2. Refuse and walk away?      I feel like I am being taken advantage of if I am not able to receive compensation for taking on this liability. At the same time I would want compensation to be immediate and not the typical route of waiting for a yearly review and crossing my fingers and hoping. Thanks.","c_root_id_A":"cwp83rw","c_root_id_B":"cwp50qy","created_at_utc_A":1446714530,"created_at_utc_B":1446704095,"score_A":46,"score_B":34,"human_ref_A":"I think just about every engineering school in the Midwest will point to they Hyatt Regency Walkway collapse in Kansas City for a reason to be careful what you put your stamp on.  2 PEs were involved, PE and PE's supervisor, I believe (PE2). The TLDR of it goes something like this:  &nbsp;  1. PE stamps a design with a vague description of a particular set of joints (which held this walkway to some steel rods that were suspended from the ceiling)  The intent was to have them be designed in the field.  2. Project suffers some management disasters including a change of contractors midway through construction.  1. Miscommunications happen during the transition and the joints are never designed. New contractor makes a mistaken assumption about what is intended. Also some design changes to the hanging supports are made and approved over the phone.  1. PE assumes the field tech will design joints for these changes, Field tech assumes the joints he thinks were specified are still good enough.  1. Walkway collapses under heavy loads during a large social gathering, killing and injuring hundreds.  1. PE and PE2 are kicked out by the ASCE  1. 3 states (KS, MO, and his home state of TX) revoke both PEs' PE licenses.  1. Court finds both PEs criminally negligent.  &nbsp;  The moral is, don't stamp the thing unless you took over the project and have reviewed every single detail. (And frankly, if they want you to do a job above your former pay grade, they should be paying you at the new pay grade)","human_ref_B":"The main ethical dilemma I see is whether you are familiar enough with the project and the concepts involved to understand it. If not, you obviously shouldn't stamp it.  I'm not a PE, but personally I'd be wary of signing off on a project which I have no familiarity with, especially if it doesn't parallel any of my current projects. There's too many possible gotchas to reasonably say you have considered them all.  If you feel like you can reasonably determine whether the design is good, then yes - I'd say it's fair to negotiate your position\/salary. If they say you'll have to wait, then you can tell them they can wait for your stamp, too, because you won't take on liability that is above your position.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10435.0,"score_ratio":1.3529411765}
{"post_id":"3rlet0","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"Ethics: What to do when asked to stamp (PE) but not your job function? Throwaway for reasons. I work for an engineering firm doing some simple electrical design work, I'm the lowest level of engineer here in terms of seniority. About a year ago I got my PE for personal aspiration reasons and haven't used it in the true sense, and so haven't received any salary boost or promotion.      Recently I've been asked if I would stamp some designs (not my project). The principal guy who used to do it has retired and there isn't anyone currently who is able to approve these and finding someone would cause a delay in the project.      I feel this is unfair to me because it is not my job to take on this liability especially because I'm such a low level guy and it is not within my job scope. So I need some advice on how best to approach this:      1. Should I go ahead and review designs for approval but immediately ask for a promotion to an appropriate level within my company (renegotiate salary, etc.) because I may be the sole PE for a while?      2. Refuse and walk away?      I feel like I am being taken advantage of if I am not able to receive compensation for taking on this liability. At the same time I would want compensation to be immediate and not the typical route of waiting for a yearly review and crossing my fingers and hoping. Thanks.","c_root_id_A":"cwp83rw","c_root_id_B":"cwp517g","created_at_utc_A":1446714530,"created_at_utc_B":1446704128,"score_A":46,"score_B":28,"human_ref_A":"I think just about every engineering school in the Midwest will point to they Hyatt Regency Walkway collapse in Kansas City for a reason to be careful what you put your stamp on.  2 PEs were involved, PE and PE's supervisor, I believe (PE2). The TLDR of it goes something like this:  &nbsp;  1. PE stamps a design with a vague description of a particular set of joints (which held this walkway to some steel rods that were suspended from the ceiling)  The intent was to have them be designed in the field.  2. Project suffers some management disasters including a change of contractors midway through construction.  1. Miscommunications happen during the transition and the joints are never designed. New contractor makes a mistaken assumption about what is intended. Also some design changes to the hanging supports are made and approved over the phone.  1. PE assumes the field tech will design joints for these changes, Field tech assumes the joints he thinks were specified are still good enough.  1. Walkway collapses under heavy loads during a large social gathering, killing and injuring hundreds.  1. PE and PE2 are kicked out by the ASCE  1. 3 states (KS, MO, and his home state of TX) revoke both PEs' PE licenses.  1. Court finds both PEs criminally negligent.  &nbsp;  The moral is, don't stamp the thing unless you took over the project and have reviewed every single detail. (And frankly, if they want you to do a job above your former pay grade, they should be paying you at the new pay grade)","human_ref_B":"They should be paying you extra if you are the only PE, but ethically, you shouldn't stamp outside of your expertise.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10402.0,"score_ratio":1.6428571429}
{"post_id":"3rlet0","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"Ethics: What to do when asked to stamp (PE) but not your job function? Throwaway for reasons. I work for an engineering firm doing some simple electrical design work, I'm the lowest level of engineer here in terms of seniority. About a year ago I got my PE for personal aspiration reasons and haven't used it in the true sense, and so haven't received any salary boost or promotion.      Recently I've been asked if I would stamp some designs (not my project). The principal guy who used to do it has retired and there isn't anyone currently who is able to approve these and finding someone would cause a delay in the project.      I feel this is unfair to me because it is not my job to take on this liability especially because I'm such a low level guy and it is not within my job scope. So I need some advice on how best to approach this:      1. Should I go ahead and review designs for approval but immediately ask for a promotion to an appropriate level within my company (renegotiate salary, etc.) because I may be the sole PE for a while?      2. Refuse and walk away?      I feel like I am being taken advantage of if I am not able to receive compensation for taking on this liability. At the same time I would want compensation to be immediate and not the typical route of waiting for a yearly review and crossing my fingers and hoping. Thanks.","c_root_id_A":"cwp83rw","c_root_id_B":"cwp50pe","created_at_utc_A":1446714530,"created_at_utc_B":1446704091,"score_A":46,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"I think just about every engineering school in the Midwest will point to they Hyatt Regency Walkway collapse in Kansas City for a reason to be careful what you put your stamp on.  2 PEs were involved, PE and PE's supervisor, I believe (PE2). The TLDR of it goes something like this:  &nbsp;  1. PE stamps a design with a vague description of a particular set of joints (which held this walkway to some steel rods that were suspended from the ceiling)  The intent was to have them be designed in the field.  2. Project suffers some management disasters including a change of contractors midway through construction.  1. Miscommunications happen during the transition and the joints are never designed. New contractor makes a mistaken assumption about what is intended. Also some design changes to the hanging supports are made and approved over the phone.  1. PE assumes the field tech will design joints for these changes, Field tech assumes the joints he thinks were specified are still good enough.  1. Walkway collapses under heavy loads during a large social gathering, killing and injuring hundreds.  1. PE and PE2 are kicked out by the ASCE  1. 3 states (KS, MO, and his home state of TX) revoke both PEs' PE licenses.  1. Court finds both PEs criminally negligent.  &nbsp;  The moral is, don't stamp the thing unless you took over the project and have reviewed every single detail. (And frankly, if they want you to do a job above your former pay grade, they should be paying you at the new pay grade)","human_ref_B":"On top of the legality of it as mentioned in the other post, there's also the ethics of stamping work that isn't yours. Go to your local licensing boards website and see what they have to say about stamping work that you haven't designed or aren't familiar with. If it's something that was designed by someone else, you should at minimum be confirming their numbers and making sure you are 100% sure about their math.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10439.0,"score_ratio":3.2857142857}
{"post_id":"3rlet0","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"Ethics: What to do when asked to stamp (PE) but not your job function? Throwaway for reasons. I work for an engineering firm doing some simple electrical design work, I'm the lowest level of engineer here in terms of seniority. About a year ago I got my PE for personal aspiration reasons and haven't used it in the true sense, and so haven't received any salary boost or promotion.      Recently I've been asked if I would stamp some designs (not my project). The principal guy who used to do it has retired and there isn't anyone currently who is able to approve these and finding someone would cause a delay in the project.      I feel this is unfair to me because it is not my job to take on this liability especially because I'm such a low level guy and it is not within my job scope. So I need some advice on how best to approach this:      1. Should I go ahead and review designs for approval but immediately ask for a promotion to an appropriate level within my company (renegotiate salary, etc.) because I may be the sole PE for a while?      2. Refuse and walk away?      I feel like I am being taken advantage of if I am not able to receive compensation for taking on this liability. At the same time I would want compensation to be immediate and not the typical route of waiting for a yearly review and crossing my fingers and hoping. Thanks.","c_root_id_A":"cwp50pe","c_root_id_B":"cwp50qy","created_at_utc_A":1446704091,"created_at_utc_B":1446704095,"score_A":14,"score_B":34,"human_ref_A":"On top of the legality of it as mentioned in the other post, there's also the ethics of stamping work that isn't yours. Go to your local licensing boards website and see what they have to say about stamping work that you haven't designed or aren't familiar with. If it's something that was designed by someone else, you should at minimum be confirming their numbers and making sure you are 100% sure about their math.","human_ref_B":"The main ethical dilemma I see is whether you are familiar enough with the project and the concepts involved to understand it. If not, you obviously shouldn't stamp it.  I'm not a PE, but personally I'd be wary of signing off on a project which I have no familiarity with, especially if it doesn't parallel any of my current projects. There's too many possible gotchas to reasonably say you have considered them all.  If you feel like you can reasonably determine whether the design is good, then yes - I'd say it's fair to negotiate your position\/salary. If they say you'll have to wait, then you can tell them they can wait for your stamp, too, because you won't take on liability that is above your position.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4.0,"score_ratio":2.4285714286}
{"post_id":"3rlet0","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"Ethics: What to do when asked to stamp (PE) but not your job function? Throwaway for reasons. I work for an engineering firm doing some simple electrical design work, I'm the lowest level of engineer here in terms of seniority. About a year ago I got my PE for personal aspiration reasons and haven't used it in the true sense, and so haven't received any salary boost or promotion.      Recently I've been asked if I would stamp some designs (not my project). The principal guy who used to do it has retired and there isn't anyone currently who is able to approve these and finding someone would cause a delay in the project.      I feel this is unfair to me because it is not my job to take on this liability especially because I'm such a low level guy and it is not within my job scope. So I need some advice on how best to approach this:      1. Should I go ahead and review designs for approval but immediately ask for a promotion to an appropriate level within my company (renegotiate salary, etc.) because I may be the sole PE for a while?      2. Refuse and walk away?      I feel like I am being taken advantage of if I am not able to receive compensation for taking on this liability. At the same time I would want compensation to be immediate and not the typical route of waiting for a yearly review and crossing my fingers and hoping. Thanks.","c_root_id_A":"cwp50pe","c_root_id_B":"cwp517g","created_at_utc_A":1446704091,"created_at_utc_B":1446704128,"score_A":14,"score_B":28,"human_ref_A":"On top of the legality of it as mentioned in the other post, there's also the ethics of stamping work that isn't yours. Go to your local licensing boards website and see what they have to say about stamping work that you haven't designed or aren't familiar with. If it's something that was designed by someone else, you should at minimum be confirming their numbers and making sure you are 100% sure about their math.","human_ref_B":"They should be paying you extra if you are the only PE, but ethically, you shouldn't stamp outside of your expertise.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":37.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"3rlet0","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"Ethics: What to do when asked to stamp (PE) but not your job function? Throwaway for reasons. I work for an engineering firm doing some simple electrical design work, I'm the lowest level of engineer here in terms of seniority. About a year ago I got my PE for personal aspiration reasons and haven't used it in the true sense, and so haven't received any salary boost or promotion.      Recently I've been asked if I would stamp some designs (not my project). The principal guy who used to do it has retired and there isn't anyone currently who is able to approve these and finding someone would cause a delay in the project.      I feel this is unfair to me because it is not my job to take on this liability especially because I'm such a low level guy and it is not within my job scope. So I need some advice on how best to approach this:      1. Should I go ahead and review designs for approval but immediately ask for a promotion to an appropriate level within my company (renegotiate salary, etc.) because I may be the sole PE for a while?      2. Refuse and walk away?      I feel like I am being taken advantage of if I am not able to receive compensation for taking on this liability. At the same time I would want compensation to be immediate and not the typical route of waiting for a yearly review and crossing my fingers and hoping. Thanks.","c_root_id_A":"cwp50pe","c_root_id_B":"cwp9oxn","created_at_utc_A":1446704091,"created_at_utc_B":1446721689,"score_A":14,"score_B":19,"human_ref_A":"On top of the legality of it as mentioned in the other post, there's also the ethics of stamping work that isn't yours. Go to your local licensing boards website and see what they have to say about stamping work that you haven't designed or aren't familiar with. If it's something that was designed by someone else, you should at minimum be confirming their numbers and making sure you are 100% sure about their math.","human_ref_B":"Tell management that you need time to review the work and make certain it doesn't contain any errors. After all you didn't design it.  Telling them you need to perform due diligence shows that you take your job seriously and are maintaining the proper level of responsibility.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":17598.0,"score_ratio":1.3571428571}
{"post_id":"3rlet0","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"Ethics: What to do when asked to stamp (PE) but not your job function? Throwaway for reasons. I work for an engineering firm doing some simple electrical design work, I'm the lowest level of engineer here in terms of seniority. About a year ago I got my PE for personal aspiration reasons and haven't used it in the true sense, and so haven't received any salary boost or promotion.      Recently I've been asked if I would stamp some designs (not my project). The principal guy who used to do it has retired and there isn't anyone currently who is able to approve these and finding someone would cause a delay in the project.      I feel this is unfair to me because it is not my job to take on this liability especially because I'm such a low level guy and it is not within my job scope. So I need some advice on how best to approach this:      1. Should I go ahead and review designs for approval but immediately ask for a promotion to an appropriate level within my company (renegotiate salary, etc.) because I may be the sole PE for a while?      2. Refuse and walk away?      I feel like I am being taken advantage of if I am not able to receive compensation for taking on this liability. At the same time I would want compensation to be immediate and not the typical route of waiting for a yearly review and crossing my fingers and hoping. Thanks.","c_root_id_A":"cwph8lf","c_root_id_B":"cwpc1z3","created_at_utc_A":1446739002,"created_at_utc_B":1446729524,"score_A":7,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"There's a reason they're asking the most junior guy there. They're hoping you will be naive enough to do it.  If you don't feel comfortable approving it, don't. It's your ass on the line more than anybody else's.","human_ref_B":"A big question ask (even bigger than a raise for having a PE) is to see whether you're covered under the firm's professional liability insurance. In civil engineering, the firm usually carries the insurance, rather than the individual, though you can get liability insurance on your own to supplement it.   If it were me and my (eventual) stamp, I'd refuse until I had clarified the liability issue and thoroughly reviewed the project.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9478.0,"score_ratio":1.1666666667}
{"post_id":"3rlet0","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"Ethics: What to do when asked to stamp (PE) but not your job function? Throwaway for reasons. I work for an engineering firm doing some simple electrical design work, I'm the lowest level of engineer here in terms of seniority. About a year ago I got my PE for personal aspiration reasons and haven't used it in the true sense, and so haven't received any salary boost or promotion.      Recently I've been asked if I would stamp some designs (not my project). The principal guy who used to do it has retired and there isn't anyone currently who is able to approve these and finding someone would cause a delay in the project.      I feel this is unfair to me because it is not my job to take on this liability especially because I'm such a low level guy and it is not within my job scope. So I need some advice on how best to approach this:      1. Should I go ahead and review designs for approval but immediately ask for a promotion to an appropriate level within my company (renegotiate salary, etc.) because I may be the sole PE for a while?      2. Refuse and walk away?      I feel like I am being taken advantage of if I am not able to receive compensation for taking on this liability. At the same time I would want compensation to be immediate and not the typical route of waiting for a yearly review and crossing my fingers and hoping. Thanks.","c_root_id_A":"cwpjdl0","c_root_id_B":"cwpoeku","created_at_utc_A":1446742093,"created_at_utc_B":1446749087,"score_A":4,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"The second fundamental canon of the ASME  code of ethics: \" Engineers shall perform services only in the areas of their competence; they shall build \r their professional reputation on the merit of their services and shall not compete \r unfairly with others.\"","human_ref_B":"I'm not a PE, but my dad has been one for thirty years.  He will not stamp anything as a favor- he will insist on reviewing the design, and if he feels he doesn't understand it well enough to certify, he doesn't stamp.  It's his ass on the line if a problem emerges.  He also point-blank won't stamp things that are outside of his specialty\/experience because he doesn't feel qualified to evaluate such work.  Yet, your company apparently has run short of PEs to certify their work and are now in a bind.  What I would recommend in your shoes:  1. Express your concerns to your leadership.  Your worries are not unreasonable.  Don't make this about promotions\/compensation; it's about safety and quality.  2. See if they would be willing to offer the retired guy a 6 or 12 month part-time contract to come back, certify the designs for this project, and mentor you so that you can take over his responsibilities.  There's no guarantee the guy will agree but it's not that unusual.  3. Discuss how they see this impacting your long-term role within the company.  This is different from asking for a promotion.  It's seeing how your career will change, and whether or not that meets your and their expectations.                   If they are not reasonable about this discussion or try to strong-arm you, I would seriously consider seeking other employment.  That is not the kind of firm you want to work for.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6994.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"3rlet0","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"Ethics: What to do when asked to stamp (PE) but not your job function? Throwaway for reasons. I work for an engineering firm doing some simple electrical design work, I'm the lowest level of engineer here in terms of seniority. About a year ago I got my PE for personal aspiration reasons and haven't used it in the true sense, and so haven't received any salary boost or promotion.      Recently I've been asked if I would stamp some designs (not my project). The principal guy who used to do it has retired and there isn't anyone currently who is able to approve these and finding someone would cause a delay in the project.      I feel this is unfair to me because it is not my job to take on this liability especially because I'm such a low level guy and it is not within my job scope. So I need some advice on how best to approach this:      1. Should I go ahead and review designs for approval but immediately ask for a promotion to an appropriate level within my company (renegotiate salary, etc.) because I may be the sole PE for a while?      2. Refuse and walk away?      I feel like I am being taken advantage of if I am not able to receive compensation for taking on this liability. At the same time I would want compensation to be immediate and not the typical route of waiting for a yearly review and crossing my fingers and hoping. Thanks.","c_root_id_A":"cwpj1po","c_root_id_B":"cwpoeku","created_at_utc_A":1446741627,"created_at_utc_B":1446749087,"score_A":2,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"If you're not hired as a PE, don't stamp it. Simple as that.","human_ref_B":"I'm not a PE, but my dad has been one for thirty years.  He will not stamp anything as a favor- he will insist on reviewing the design, and if he feels he doesn't understand it well enough to certify, he doesn't stamp.  It's his ass on the line if a problem emerges.  He also point-blank won't stamp things that are outside of his specialty\/experience because he doesn't feel qualified to evaluate such work.  Yet, your company apparently has run short of PEs to certify their work and are now in a bind.  What I would recommend in your shoes:  1. Express your concerns to your leadership.  Your worries are not unreasonable.  Don't make this about promotions\/compensation; it's about safety and quality.  2. See if they would be willing to offer the retired guy a 6 or 12 month part-time contract to come back, certify the designs for this project, and mentor you so that you can take over his responsibilities.  There's no guarantee the guy will agree but it's not that unusual.  3. Discuss how they see this impacting your long-term role within the company.  This is different from asking for a promotion.  It's seeing how your career will change, and whether or not that meets your and their expectations.                   If they are not reasonable about this discussion or try to strong-arm you, I would seriously consider seeking other employment.  That is not the kind of firm you want to work for.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7460.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"3rlet0","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"Ethics: What to do when asked to stamp (PE) but not your job function? Throwaway for reasons. I work for an engineering firm doing some simple electrical design work, I'm the lowest level of engineer here in terms of seniority. About a year ago I got my PE for personal aspiration reasons and haven't used it in the true sense, and so haven't received any salary boost or promotion.      Recently I've been asked if I would stamp some designs (not my project). The principal guy who used to do it has retired and there isn't anyone currently who is able to approve these and finding someone would cause a delay in the project.      I feel this is unfair to me because it is not my job to take on this liability especially because I'm such a low level guy and it is not within my job scope. So I need some advice on how best to approach this:      1. Should I go ahead and review designs for approval but immediately ask for a promotion to an appropriate level within my company (renegotiate salary, etc.) because I may be the sole PE for a while?      2. Refuse and walk away?      I feel like I am being taken advantage of if I am not able to receive compensation for taking on this liability. At the same time I would want compensation to be immediate and not the typical route of waiting for a yearly review and crossing my fingers and hoping. Thanks.","c_root_id_A":"cwpl6oz","c_root_id_B":"cwpoeku","created_at_utc_A":1446744630,"created_at_utc_B":1446749087,"score_A":2,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"the schedule problem isn't your problem, it's the project manager's problem who should have figured out how to get the project stamped without involving the lowest guy on the pole. I can't believe that there isn't a PE at a senior level in the whole company who could stamp the drawings.","human_ref_B":"I'm not a PE, but my dad has been one for thirty years.  He will not stamp anything as a favor- he will insist on reviewing the design, and if he feels he doesn't understand it well enough to certify, he doesn't stamp.  It's his ass on the line if a problem emerges.  He also point-blank won't stamp things that are outside of his specialty\/experience because he doesn't feel qualified to evaluate such work.  Yet, your company apparently has run short of PEs to certify their work and are now in a bind.  What I would recommend in your shoes:  1. Express your concerns to your leadership.  Your worries are not unreasonable.  Don't make this about promotions\/compensation; it's about safety and quality.  2. See if they would be willing to offer the retired guy a 6 or 12 month part-time contract to come back, certify the designs for this project, and mentor you so that you can take over his responsibilities.  There's no guarantee the guy will agree but it's not that unusual.  3. Discuss how they see this impacting your long-term role within the company.  This is different from asking for a promotion.  It's seeing how your career will change, and whether or not that meets your and their expectations.                   If they are not reasonable about this discussion or try to strong-arm you, I would seriously consider seeking other employment.  That is not the kind of firm you want to work for.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4457.0,"score_ratio":3.0}
{"post_id":"3rlet0","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"Ethics: What to do when asked to stamp (PE) but not your job function? Throwaway for reasons. I work for an engineering firm doing some simple electrical design work, I'm the lowest level of engineer here in terms of seniority. About a year ago I got my PE for personal aspiration reasons and haven't used it in the true sense, and so haven't received any salary boost or promotion.      Recently I've been asked if I would stamp some designs (not my project). The principal guy who used to do it has retired and there isn't anyone currently who is able to approve these and finding someone would cause a delay in the project.      I feel this is unfair to me because it is not my job to take on this liability especially because I'm such a low level guy and it is not within my job scope. So I need some advice on how best to approach this:      1. Should I go ahead and review designs for approval but immediately ask for a promotion to an appropriate level within my company (renegotiate salary, etc.) because I may be the sole PE for a while?      2. Refuse and walk away?      I feel like I am being taken advantage of if I am not able to receive compensation for taking on this liability. At the same time I would want compensation to be immediate and not the typical route of waiting for a yearly review and crossing my fingers and hoping. Thanks.","c_root_id_A":"cwpj1po","c_root_id_B":"cwpjdl0","created_at_utc_A":1446741627,"created_at_utc_B":1446742093,"score_A":2,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"If you're not hired as a PE, don't stamp it. Simple as that.","human_ref_B":"The second fundamental canon of the ASME  code of ethics: \" Engineers shall perform services only in the areas of their competence; they shall build \r their professional reputation on the merit of their services and shall not compete \r unfairly with others.\"","labels":0,"seconds_difference":466.0,"score_ratio":2.0}
{"post_id":"3axz4d","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Career Wednesday (June 24, 2015): Engineering Career Paths & Professional Development [Previously]  Welcome to our weekly career questions thread! This is the place to ask for advice on engineering careers, including normally restricted topics such as job applications, resume\/CV and cover letter critiques, and undergraduate major selection.  * **This thread is for career questions only.** If you have a technical question, make a new post with your question as the title, and be sure to follow our posting guidelines.  * **To ensure that every post has a chance to get answered,** consider adding *?depth=1* to the end of the page URL. Also consider sorting by 'new' rather than 'top' or 'best'.  * **Please do not make requests to interview engineers!** Instead refer to the list of engineers that are willing to be interviewed (in the sidebar), and message them directly.  * Remember to follow the [Discussion Guidelines](\/r\/AskEngineers\/wiki\/rules#wiki_civility) in the sidebar. This thread is strictly a troll-free environment so that anyone can ask a question without backlash. In other words: **Negative attitudes and comments will not be tolerated.**  ---","c_root_id_A":"csha65c","c_root_id_B":"csh39pn","created_at_utc_A":1435167872,"created_at_utc_B":1435157505,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I'm a Mechanical engg graduate and I wanna get into the product design industry. What should be my career path?  I'm really fascinated by the product design vertical. The idea of building creative solutions to problems entices me. But I realized this very late I guess, I didn't do any internships directly relating to Mechanical Product design (though I designed parts of a satellite while I was at the satellite building team of my Univ). I've a fair knowledge in Solidworks. I wanna work for companies that build industry leading designs (say, Apple). How can I accomplish this? An MS in the US? or Apply for jobs in the US right now? Thanks for you help :)   **Background (If its required.)**: I earned my Bachelors in Mechanical engineering from one of the leading universities in India.   **Job Offers**: I got offered a job as a trainee engineer at a big watch maker.   **Activities**: i) I worked as a designer at the satellite building team of my University. (One of our satellites is orbiting space right now)  ii) For our final year project, my team and me built an automatic drafting system, which can automatically design a pressure vessel along with flanges, pipes, gaskets in it, based on ASME standards and then draft it in AutoCAD.   **TL;DR** - I graduated in Mechanical engg and have been offered a trainee engineer position at a watch maker in India (Don't know which vertical though) but I want to be a product designer at a reputed firm in the US or Europe (say Apple). What should I do now?","human_ref_B":"Junior in Civil Engineering here. I know a general direction I'd like to move in my career path, but I don't know anything about the specifics.   I want to do more structural engineering jobs or something closely related, but my university doesn't offer that degree specifically.   Two questions:  1.What minor or concentration should I look into? (I don't mind if I have to add some time to get my degree if it's worth it.)  2.What are the best starting places\/jobs for fresh graduates with my interests?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10367.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"3axz4d","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Career Wednesday (June 24, 2015): Engineering Career Paths & Professional Development [Previously]  Welcome to our weekly career questions thread! This is the place to ask for advice on engineering careers, including normally restricted topics such as job applications, resume\/CV and cover letter critiques, and undergraduate major selection.  * **This thread is for career questions only.** If you have a technical question, make a new post with your question as the title, and be sure to follow our posting guidelines.  * **To ensure that every post has a chance to get answered,** consider adding *?depth=1* to the end of the page URL. Also consider sorting by 'new' rather than 'top' or 'best'.  * **Please do not make requests to interview engineers!** Instead refer to the list of engineers that are willing to be interviewed (in the sidebar), and message them directly.  * Remember to follow the [Discussion Guidelines](\/r\/AskEngineers\/wiki\/rules#wiki_civility) in the sidebar. This thread is strictly a troll-free environment so that anyone can ask a question without backlash. In other words: **Negative attitudes and comments will not be tolerated.**  ---","c_root_id_A":"csha65c","c_root_id_B":"csh7egl","created_at_utc_A":1435167872,"created_at_utc_B":1435163823,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I'm a Mechanical engg graduate and I wanna get into the product design industry. What should be my career path?  I'm really fascinated by the product design vertical. The idea of building creative solutions to problems entices me. But I realized this very late I guess, I didn't do any internships directly relating to Mechanical Product design (though I designed parts of a satellite while I was at the satellite building team of my Univ). I've a fair knowledge in Solidworks. I wanna work for companies that build industry leading designs (say, Apple). How can I accomplish this? An MS in the US? or Apply for jobs in the US right now? Thanks for you help :)   **Background (If its required.)**: I earned my Bachelors in Mechanical engineering from one of the leading universities in India.   **Job Offers**: I got offered a job as a trainee engineer at a big watch maker.   **Activities**: i) I worked as a designer at the satellite building team of my University. (One of our satellites is orbiting space right now)  ii) For our final year project, my team and me built an automatic drafting system, which can automatically design a pressure vessel along with flanges, pipes, gaskets in it, based on ASME standards and then draft it in AutoCAD.   **TL;DR** - I graduated in Mechanical engg and have been offered a trainee engineer position at a watch maker in India (Don't know which vertical though) but I want to be a product designer at a reputed firm in the US or Europe (say Apple). What should I do now?","human_ref_B":"I recently graduated with a BS in mechanical engineering. I had a decent GPA, two internships under my belt, and a summer where I studied abroad.  Does anyone have recommendations for the best way to go about seeking my first job to start my career? I have tried several things on my own but I would really like to hear anything that has helped you all in the past.   I am currently located in central Texas if that makes any difference. Thanks!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4049.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"3axz4d","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Career Wednesday (June 24, 2015): Engineering Career Paths & Professional Development [Previously]  Welcome to our weekly career questions thread! This is the place to ask for advice on engineering careers, including normally restricted topics such as job applications, resume\/CV and cover letter critiques, and undergraduate major selection.  * **This thread is for career questions only.** If you have a technical question, make a new post with your question as the title, and be sure to follow our posting guidelines.  * **To ensure that every post has a chance to get answered,** consider adding *?depth=1* to the end of the page URL. Also consider sorting by 'new' rather than 'top' or 'best'.  * **Please do not make requests to interview engineers!** Instead refer to the list of engineers that are willing to be interviewed (in the sidebar), and message them directly.  * Remember to follow the [Discussion Guidelines](\/r\/AskEngineers\/wiki\/rules#wiki_civility) in the sidebar. This thread is strictly a troll-free environment so that anyone can ask a question without backlash. In other words: **Negative attitudes and comments will not be tolerated.**  ---","c_root_id_A":"csh8aaa","c_root_id_B":"csha65c","created_at_utc_A":1435165133,"created_at_utc_B":1435167872,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I graduated this spring and have recently been applying to jobs in Aero Engineering. I have been applying since October of this past year, and so far haven't gotten any interviews (phone or otherwise). I was wondering why this was. My redacted resume is shown here. The extra space is where the page break is. Redacted Resume I've been working with a career counseling service and they have been working with me, but I wanted a technical angle. Thanks","human_ref_B":"I'm a Mechanical engg graduate and I wanna get into the product design industry. What should be my career path?  I'm really fascinated by the product design vertical. The idea of building creative solutions to problems entices me. But I realized this very late I guess, I didn't do any internships directly relating to Mechanical Product design (though I designed parts of a satellite while I was at the satellite building team of my Univ). I've a fair knowledge in Solidworks. I wanna work for companies that build industry leading designs (say, Apple). How can I accomplish this? An MS in the US? or Apply for jobs in the US right now? Thanks for you help :)   **Background (If its required.)**: I earned my Bachelors in Mechanical engineering from one of the leading universities in India.   **Job Offers**: I got offered a job as a trainee engineer at a big watch maker.   **Activities**: i) I worked as a designer at the satellite building team of my University. (One of our satellites is orbiting space right now)  ii) For our final year project, my team and me built an automatic drafting system, which can automatically design a pressure vessel along with flanges, pipes, gaskets in it, based on ASME standards and then draft it in AutoCAD.   **TL;DR** - I graduated in Mechanical engg and have been offered a trainee engineer position at a watch maker in India (Don't know which vertical though) but I want to be a product designer at a reputed firm in the US or Europe (say Apple). What should I do now?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2739.0,"score_ratio":1.5}
{"post_id":"39adrg","domain":"askengineers_test","upvote_ratio":0.82,"history":"Career Wednesday (June 10, 2015): Engineering Career Paths & Professional Development [Previously]  Welcome to our weekly career questions thread! This is the place to ask for advice on engineering careers, including normally restricted topics such as job applications, resume\/CV and cover letter critiques, and undergraduate major selection.  * **This thread is for career questions only.** If you have a technical question, make a new post with your question as the title, and be sure to follow our posting guidelines.  * **To ensure that every post has a chance to get answered,** consider adding *?depth=1* to the end of the page URL. Also consider sorting by 'new' rather than 'top' or 'best'.  * **Please do not make requests to interview engineers!** Instead refer to the list of engineers that are willing to be interviewed (in the sidebar), and message them directly.  * Remember to follow the [Discussion Guidelines](\/r\/AskEngineers\/wiki\/rules#wiki_civility) in the sidebar. This thread is strictly a troll-free environment so that anyone can ask a question without backlash. In other words: **Negative attitudes and comments will not be tolerated.**  ---","c_root_id_A":"cs3axoi","c_root_id_B":"cs1u0k3","created_at_utc_A":1434046492,"created_at_utc_B":1433949042,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"We have a young (5yo) future engineer on our hands.....with no ties, knowledge, or connections in the field. We need help\/advice on how to encourage and grow our sons interest in engineering\/robotics. His passion has been very strong since he was 2 and saw Iron Man. We did just get him his first legos (man soo expensive.....and why can't you buy just the bricks and cubes anymore?). He was so focused on them that he created everything in the kit +  and still plays with them for over an hour daily. He finished the kit in less than 24 hours without any assistance. Any assistance with locating resources, making connections, or even understanding the dialect would be huge (we both come from medical career paths). Fund are limited so buying a lot of engineering toys is not an option, but maybe suggestions on quality items would be helpful too. We are located in Wichita, KS if that helps.","human_ref_B":"What's the best way to get into the pharmaceutical industry after college (pursuing a ChemE degree)? I'll be a Junior in the fall and I have a plastics materials science internship currently and I am conducting bioengineering research at school.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":97450.0,"score_ratio":1.5}