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robbinzone | 886 | 886 | hi(gh) life (hei Leif) ;-) | 2018-02-27 | 1,206 | train |
<system> | 886 | 886 | === elkclone is now known as Guest32919 | 2018-02-27 | 1,207 | train |
pZombie | 890 | 890 | hello friends | 2018-02-27 | 1,208 | train |
pZombie | 890 | 890 | what will happen if i install an old ubuntu with a 2.6 kernel? Will i be destroyed by malware? | 2018-02-27 | 1,209 | train |
JimBuntu | 891 | 891 | pZombie, idk, malware is going to depend on your threat exposure... i.e., where you go via browser/etc and how open your system is in general to direct attack. | 2018-02-27 | 1,210 | train |
pZombie | 892 | 892 | what about the spectre, does it affect old pentium-m systems? | 2018-02-27 | 1,211 | train |
JimBuntu | 892 | 892 | pZombie, You are possibly orders of magnitude better off using a really old system with 2.6 and old distro version than a WinXP machine, for example. | 2018-02-27 | 1,212 | train |
norm_ | 893 | 893 | You'll be more susceptible to malware and exploits but unless you actively go around clicking on every free IPhone ad | 2018-02-27 | 1,213 | train |
JimBuntu | 893 | 893 | pZombie, as far as I am aware, that CPU would be effected... you should check | 2018-02-27 | 1,214 | train |
pZombie | 894 | 894 | do the old ubuntus get any updates at all? | 2018-02-27 | 1,215 | train |
norm_ | 894 | 894 | No longer supported, so unfortunately not | 2018-02-27 | 1,216 | train |
kostkon | 896 | 896 | pZombie, as of now 14.04 is the oldest supported release | 2018-02-27 | 1,217 | train |
ducasse | 897 | 897 | well, 12.04 gets security fixes if you pay for them | 2018-02-27 | 1,218 | train |
DiecastMessiah | 897 | 897 | pZombie: if you looking for something that can run on much older machines about look into knoppix or something that made to be small | 2018-02-27 | 1,219 | train |
pZombie | 898 | 898 | doesn't help me. The proprietary ati drivers for the radeon 9600 install only on 2.6 kernels. After that it is about using the slow free drivers | 2018-02-27 | 1,220 | train |
pZombie | 898 | 898 | it is not about small but about having a 2.6 kernel and yet being supported still | 2018-02-27 | 1,221 | train |
DiecastMessiah | 898 | 898 | oh kk sorry | 2018-02-27 | 1,222 | train |
norm_ | 899 | 899 | ah that's a toughie | 2018-02-27 | 1,223 | train |
pZombie | 899 | 899 | centos 6 was an option but it does not allow me to install because it asks for pae | 2018-02-27 | 1,224 | train |
pZombie | 899 | 899 | the pentium m actually has pae support but it is hidden | 2018-02-27 | 1,225 | train |
akik | 899 | 899 | frazr: after using "fsck.mode=force", do you see /run/initramfs/fsck.log ? | 2018-02-27 | 1,226 | train |
kostkon | 903 | 903 | pZombie, it's an old system anyways why not just settle for something lightweight, eg Lubuntu and use the open source driver | 2018-02-27 | 1,227 | train |
pZombie | 904 | 904 | because the same issue applies. I would have to go with the free drivers which are slow as hell | 2018-02-27 | 1,228 | train |
lupulo | 906 | 906 | frazr, this thread could be useful https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=788050 | 2018-02-27 | 1,229 | train |
ubottu | 906 | 906 | Debian bug 788050 in systemd "systemd-fsck : Check disks at each reboot" [Important,Fixed] | 2018-02-27 | 1,230 | train |
pZombie | 906 | 906 | anyway, i will try an old xubuntu and see where this gets me | 2018-02-27 | 1,231 | train |
lupulo | 906 | 906 | ubottu, bot who | 2018-02-27 | 1,232 | train |
lupulo | 907 | 907 | ubottu, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug= | 2018-02-27 | 1,233 | train |
kostkon | 907 | 907 | pZombie, Lubuntu. xubuntu might be using an compositor | 2018-02-27 | 1,234 | train |
OpenTokix | 908 | 908 | I am doing a preseeded installation of ubuntu 16.04.3 from a custom iso. - But the installer is failing on "apt-install or in-target is already running..." messages appear in syslog. - I have found a bug on lunchpad (1450597) however it seems to reference booting from usb stick. Bug is from 2013. | 2018-02-27 | 1,235 | train |
pZombie | 908 | 908 | kostkon - what does a compositor do? | 2018-02-27 | 1,236 | train |
nemo | 908 | 908 | graphics acceleration of desktop | 2018-02-27 | 1,237 | train |
nemo | 908 | 908 | on old sucky machines disabling that is first suggestion | 2018-02-27 | 1,238 | train |
pZombie | 908 | 908 | but with the accelerated drivers it should work well | 2018-02-27 | 1,239 | train |
nemo | 908 | 908 | (memory usage comparison of desktops https://l3net.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/cmp-all4.png) I use MATE personally which can run composited or non | 2018-02-27 | 1,240 | train |
nemo | 909 | 909 | pZombie: I sometimes disable it just 'cause on my sucky card at home compositing the desktop plus running a game smoothly is too much to ask | 2018-02-27 | 1,241 | train |
kostkon | 909 | 909 | pZombie, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compositing_window_manager | 2018-02-27 | 1,242 | train |
nemo | 910 | 910 | pZombie: my boss once asked me why upgrading his OSX desktop completely killed his performance | 2018-02-27 | 1,243 | train |
lupulo | 910 | 910 | ubottu, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=lalala | 2018-02-27 | 1,244 | train |
pZombie | 910 | 910 | well, the ati mobility 9600 is super speedy if the right drivers are used | 2018-02-27 | 1,245 | train |
nemo | 910 | 910 | pZombie: wellll, new desktop was composited and his card had an itsy bitsy amount of vram <unconvertable> | 2018-02-27 | 1,246 | train |
pZombie | 910 | 910 | so i see no problem with xubuntu if i can install the old proprietary drivers | 2018-02-27 | 1,247 | train |
nemo | 910 | 910 | tearing, artifacting... was probably reconstructing new textures all the time | 2018-02-27 | 1,248 | train |
pZombie | 911 | 911 | where can i find out which was the last version of xubuntu using the 2.6 kernel? | 2018-02-27 | 1,249 | train |
nemo | 911 | 911 | pZombie: I used to use fglrx on the work desktop, but it had too many stability issues | 2018-02-27 | 1,250 | train |
nemo | 911 | 911 | pZombie: radeon driver works fine for me - got adequate scores on globs test | 2018-02-27 | 1,251 | train |
pZombie | 912 | 912 | nemo - i never had any issues back then when i was playing WoW at 100 fps back then | 2018-02-27 | 1,252 | train |
nemo | 912 | 912 | pZombie: over a long enough period of time it would just start losing track of textures | 2018-02-27 | 1,253 | train |
akik | 912 | 912 | pZombie: ubuntu 14.04 still supports fglrx, i think it was so that the hwe update doesn't support it any more | 2018-02-27 | 1,254 | train |
pZombie | 912 | 912 | nemo - i highly doubt it they work fine. You probably don't have proper 3d acceleration enabled | 2018-02-27 | 1,255 | train |
nemo | 912 | 912 | pZombie: cause crashes in browsers which do their own gl acceleration or in webgl | 2018-02-27 | 1,256 | train |
qswz | 912 | 912 | What do you guys think of https://github.com/ddccontrol/ddccontrol? vs xrandr, to control brightness/gamma (more finally than xbacklight, and over it's bounds) | 2018-02-27 | 1,257 | train |
nemo | 913 | 913 | pZombie: I lost some perf, but it's adequate for a work system, and haven't had a single browser texture crash in a couple of years | 2018-02-27 | 1,258 | train |
nemo | 913 | 913 | pZombie: it used to happen a couple of times a week with fglrx | 2018-02-27 | 1,259 | train |
pZombie | 913 | 913 | akik - it supports fglrx, but not for the 9600 radeon. The last driver by ati supporting this was 9.8 legacy | 2018-02-27 | 1,260 | train |
nemo | 913 | 913 | (and yes, acceleration is enabled) | 2018-02-27 | 1,261 | train |
nemo | 913 | 913 | 'k. I'm using [AMD/ATI] RV730 XT [Radeon HD 4670] | 2018-02-27 | 1,262 | train |
nemo | 913 | 913 | according to lspci | 2018-02-27 | 1,263 | train |
kostkon | 914 | 914 | pZombie, are you really willing to go 10 years back in time. you won't be able to do anything properly, like browse the web etc. | 2018-02-27 | 1,264 | train |
leftyfb | 914 | 914 | pZombie: anything that requires a 2.x kernel needs to die in a fire. | 2018-02-27 | 1,265 | train |
pZombie | 914 | 914 | kostkon - that is what i am about to find out i guess. If i cannot install firefox on an old xubuntu, then this project is doomed | 2018-02-27 | 1,266 | train |
nemo | 914 | 914 | pZombie: with radeon driver on the card above (which is 9 years old) I get 700fps in globs gl_smoke with vsync disabled | 2018-02-27 | 1,267 | train |
nemo | 915 | 915 | pZombie: 1229.4 in gl_blit | 2018-02-27 | 1,268 | train |
pZombie | 915 | 915 | nemo - that is because your card is newer. Mine is 15 years old | 2018-02-27 | 1,269 | train |
pZombie | 915 | 915 | nemo - the free radeon drivers for your card just happen to be better | 2018-02-27 | 1,270 | train |
nemo | 916 | 916 | pZombie: it's funny, in hedgewars due to request of a user we rework all our PNGs to support someone w/ a card that could only load 512x512px textures <unconvertable> | 2018-02-27 | 1,271 | train |
nemo | 916 | 916 | pZombie: it's crazy how much old stuff FOSS still supports | 2018-02-27 | 1,272 | train |
nemo | 916 | 916 | pZombie: we never bothered to change it 'cause, eh, whatever. why not keep supporting it? <unconvertable> | 2018-02-27 | 1,273 | train |
pZombie | 916 | 916 | nemo - if i enable proper 3d acceleration on the free radeon drivers, 3D works fine, with 2500-3000 fps in glxgears. But then 2D is superslow, making iti unusable. Like scrolling through text in mousepad etc | 2018-02-27 | 1,274 | train |
nemo | 917 | 917 | hm | 2018-02-27 | 1,275 | train |
nemo | 917 | 917 | let's see what I get in glxgears | 2018-02-27 | 1,276 | train |
nemo | 917 | 917 | pZombie: I don't see why a composited desktop is necessary... | 2018-02-27 | 1,277 | train |
nemo | 917 | 917 | most of the time | 2018-02-27 | 1,278 | train |
nemo | 917 | 917 | 8695 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1738.878 FPS | 2018-02-27 | 1,279 | train |
nemo | 917 | 917 | yeah. you have me beat in glxgears already | 2018-02-27 | 1,280 | train |
pZombie | 917 | 917 | see, the radeon mobility 9600 is fast | 2018-02-27 | 1,281 | train |
nemo | 917 | 917 | but, eh. FOSS driver perf is always meh | 2018-02-27 | 1,282 | train |
nemo | 918 | 918 | it was the stability that made me switch | 2018-02-27 | 1,283 | train |
nemo | 919 | 919 | pZombie: on my home desktop I finally switch to the nvidia blob in order to play Witcher Assassin of Kings - prior to that every game I'd tried had worked okish. even Planetary Annihilation | 2018-02-27 | 1,284 | train |
pZombie | 919 | 919 | so basically, they turned my perfectly adequate hardware into trash by not releasing any proper drivers anymore | 2018-02-27 | 1,285 | train |
norm_ | 919 | 919 | anyone know of a way to get nautilus in 17.10 to act like the modded version used in the Unity DE? | 2018-02-27 | 1,286 | train |
nemo | 919 | 919 | pZombie: heh. I'm sure their incentive for maintaining stuff that old is pretty low | 2018-02-27 | 1,287 | train |
pZombie | 919 | 919 | i mean AMD | 2018-02-27 | 1,288 | train |
nemo | 919 | 919 | I know | 2018-02-27 | 1,289 | train |
nemo | 920 | 920 | if it was FOSS you might have a prayer of maintenance. | 2018-02-27 | 1,290 | train |
pZombie | 920 | 920 | their incentive to get my money however wasn't that low back then | 2018-02-27 | 1,291 | train |
nemo | 920 | 920 | 15 years is a long time... | 2018-02-27 | 1,292 | train |
nemo | 921 | 921 | pZombie: you could probably buy a card like mine above for like $20 used now I bet | 2018-02-27 | 1,293 | train |
pZombie | 921 | 921 | it's a notebook | 2018-02-27 | 1,294 | train |
nemo | 921 | 921 | ah <unconvertable> | 2018-02-27 | 1,295 | train |
pZombie | 921 | 921 | i am going to ask for a refund | 2018-02-27 | 1,296 | train |
norm_ | 921 | 921 | do it | 2018-02-27 | 1,297 | train |
pZombie | 922 | 922 | anyway, back to my former question. Where can i check which xubuntu or ubuntu was using the 2.6 kernel still? | 2018-02-27 | 1,298 | train |
norm_ | 923 | 923 | archives | 2018-02-27 | 1,299 | train |
norm_ | 923 | 923 | give me a sec | 2018-02-27 | 1,300 | train |
norm_ | 924 | 924 | http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/ | 2018-02-27 | 1,301 | train |
norm_ | 924 | 924 | then it's just cross checking the release notes on the wiki | 2018-02-27 | 1,302 | train |
akik | 924 | 924 | lucid lynx? | 2018-02-27 | 1,303 | train |
Snicksie | 925 | 925 | I would like to request the ubuntu-toolchain-r ppa team to update their gcc-5 (or any other gcc for that matter, that contains the retpoline fixes) for xenial, since using that ppa you cannot build kernel modules for kernel -116. Where can I come into contact with them? | 2018-02-27 | 1,304 | train |
pZombie | 925 | 925 | yes, i think lucid lynx but it does not tell me which kernel it uses at the page linked | 2018-02-27 | 1,305 | train |