sci/15346458.txt

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Why do you guys hate this book so much?
>discuss
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written by a canadian
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>>15346458 (OP)
>Scalculus
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Because it's written in an accessible way with lots of worked examples, colorful diagrams, and it even comes with a study guide. A real textbook should be terse, offer little more than theorems and their proofs, and preferably translated from some Eastern European language and out of print.
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>>15346458 (OP)
>Why do you guys hate this book so much?
We do?
*Turns to the right, slightly. Gazes upon that exact book on his bookshelf.*
I didn't know that we do.
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I don't think this board hates Stewart's Calculus book at all. It's the go-to recommendation for brainlets.
It's very common for people here to recommend Real Analysis textbooks, but as far as computational Calculus (i.e. what engineers and economists really need to learn) goes, Stewart is about the only one that people here bring up, even though there are hundreds of other good Calculus textbooks that have more or less the same approach as Stewart's.
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>>15346458 (OP)
I hate this book because it is gay and sucks also.
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>single variable
Its just so gay and thinks the reader is a retard. If you read this you most likely are tho.

Try Calculus: a compelte course
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Anybody who learns calculus from a textbook is fake and gay, unless you're doing real analysis.
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>>15346458 (OP)
bump
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>>15346906
Based and Mir pilled. The uploaded scan should preferably be missing a few pages. Real mathematicians can fill the gap.
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Math is so fucking retarded
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>>15349951
Maybe it's just you?
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>>15349984
Enjoy slaving away
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>>15349951
Math is the language of God
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>>15350247
God is a retard
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>>15347466
This. Calculus is pathetically easy and should be intuitive to you if you're not a retard. Not even shit stirring. If you need a textbook for single variable calculus (not analysis), you are NGMI and also NIGGER.
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>>15346458 (OP)

can confirm. They tried to make me buy Spivak or Apostol and told me to absolutely avoid Stewart
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Math is suspicious
Sometimes too good to be true
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>>15352030
>Spivak
Meme but decent and better than Stewart
>Apostol
Advanced and should be a choice for a second read. You are mentally disabled if you really got Stewart instead
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>>15352037

where are the colorful diagrams in Spivak? Sorry but I don't follow you here.
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>>15346458 (OP)
stewart and similar books such as thomas are the go-tos for massive normie calculus courses, and for a good reason:
>tons of exercises
>answers in the back
it’s that simple. normalfags can’t learn in lectures, they have to literally go home and study for hours before they understand something. stewart and similar have shorr 3-to-6-page sections followed by 2 to 3 pages of exercises. so any normalfag with a tiger mom or an adderall prescription can practice the chain rule for 40 hours a week until they eventually get it through their thick skull and get their hopelessly devalued degree
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>>15352073

this is exactly what I was looking for.
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>>15352073
>normalfags can’t learn in lectures, they have to literally go home and study for hours before they understand something
kek today I learned I'm a normalfag
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>>15352073
This makes me imagine that the highest order Universities that are most competitive and cost the most would actually offer less assistance and guidance paradoxically Topsy Turvy world
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>>15349951
I don't think the development has slowed down that much
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>>15350614
>He didn't know complex analysis in the womb
Brainlet
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>>15352131
>Needing a woman to help you with Analysis 
ngmi
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>>15346458 (OP)
1. It's unnecessarily large. It occupies too much space.
2. It's not the most rigorous calc book out there.
3. It's not the most intuitive either.
So all in all, it's an alright book and there's a reason so many courses use it, but there are simply better calc books to learn from.
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>>15352073
This is literally literally how I introduced myself to analysis: first I studied each topic with a book (Gilbert) with a lot of applied examples and conversational style, and only after this I used a book with more rigor to study the theory more deeply. 

In general I don't like lectures, as I cannot usually keep up with them. I am a brainlet so I have to derive each equation on paper to really understand them.
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>>15352096
No. It's the upper mid-tier that are like that. The upper tier have far too many richfags (who are normies themselves) and typically suffer from grade inflations. 

Upper-mid tier, basically universities with well-known and accomplished professors, but not ivy league or off-ivy, (a.k.a. high tier state schools) are these flavors. Basically if the tuition cost is low as shit, but it still has a lot of well known professors, be cautious
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>>15352096
>the highest order Universities that are most competitive and cost the most would actually offer less assistance
More competitive means better buddies. Better buddies means more survival. You should be relying on each other even more than you rely on the teachers and TAs.
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>>15346458 (OP)
As a Calc instructor, its fucking 2023, nobody gives a shit about the textbook

Stewart comes with WebAssign which has a full set of homeworks and quizzes with a huge bank of questions to draw from for custom assignments, many of them with integrated tutorials or videos explaining concepts. There are also a set of powerpoints and example videos but they are kinda mid

I'm not sure if Apostol and Spivak even have online platforms, I wouldn't think so, but anyway learning from a textbook might work best for a certain type of turboautist but an integrated digital learning platform is far more effective for the vast majority of students

And yeah, it's a terrible textbook for math majors but they're like less than 10% of calc students and should have AP calc credits or be in honors anyway
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>>15352287

at this point why don't you provide good alternatives?

>>15353165

now this is what I call a well learned Gentleman.
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>>15350614
Why did bill gates need a basic Calculus text after retiring from Microsoft? Surely someone that took Math 55 wouldn't need such a basic book to work through. Yet he did.
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>>15353165
>an integrated digital learning platform
Absolutely disgusting.
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>>15352073
meaty
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>>15353165
And then peoplr are forced to buy a new book, instead of an used one, because of the shitty online thing.
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>>15346458 (OP)
because most people here (math and physics as well) are narcissistic assholes that think they're above everybody else and shitting on an introductory calculus textbook feeds their superiority complex
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>>15352073
Amazing bait kek
All the advice I've seen from top performers is to engage with the material before lecture in order to see how the lecturer presents the material and patch up any holes
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>>15350247
God here, no math is not my language. My language is proto-semitic.
--- 15354356
This is the best calc book unironically 
has the right combination of rigor, applications, examples and exercises
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>>15350601
Based Spinozist
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>>15352035
The proof of the first proposition of Euclid Elements have gaps and errors

The early calculus was very useful despite being fully inconsistent at its core

To preserve rigour computer programs are checking proofs, but these programs also have bugs
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>>15353165
That coves the American way (which has long since forgotten Apostol). Now what do students in smart countries use?
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>>15355077
They use WebAssign or khan academy, because it's not "smart" to use learning methods from the 20th century instead of adapting to modern technology
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>>15355087
WebAssign is just middle where bullshit to make it easier for lesser men to teach and grade calculus. It's technology optimized to make money and target below average students. 

What are students using in Taiwan, Hong Kong, Russia, Austria etc? I guess I'll include the UK since they still have 'OxBridge', but not sure if diversity has pushed them to Americentric methods.
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>>15355102
*middleware.
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>>15355087
It's the material not the medium that matters. Give the students Polya and Szego's Problems and Theorems in Analysis I/II in a series of tiktok videos, and suddenly it's better?
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>>15346458 (OP)
Author is a faggot
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>>15353165
>I'm not sure if Apostol ... have online platforms
In the '90s, CalTech produced Project MATHEMATICS which he was a involved in. The use of animation to demonstrate calculus topics was revolutionary for its time. Peak Americana before the collapse into niggerdom really.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpxWyJg4_1A&list=PL8_xPU5epJdchhIkbjCPJM7m2anGUq9JT&index=1 [Embed]
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>>15355102
>What are students using in Taiwan, Hong Kong, Russia, Austria etc?
Well, I can guarantee you this anon, they are not using 20th century English language textbooks.
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>>15355140
Also for physics, and really closer to intro calculus there is "Mechanical Universe" and there's a corresponding textbook (or series?) if memory serves. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtMmeAjQTXc&list=PL8_xPU5epJddRABXqJ5h5G0dk-XGtA5cZ&index=1 [Embed]
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>>15355148
That's the line you draw. Just cut off everything pre 2000 and declare it useless? Fascinating view into the mindset of a retard.
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>>15354356

nice I like it
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>>15352073
>normalfags can’t learn in lectures, they have to literally go home and study for hours before they understand something
So literally everyone but one or two people are normalfag.
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>>15355140

Beautiful. Exactly what I was looking for
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>>15355186
Check these out too. Calculus Revisited is a set of old video lectures from MIT taught by Herbert Gross. Black and white, but completely legible, and has a very affable instructor. There's another series by the same guy for multivariable. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFRWDuduuSw&list=PL3B08AE665AB9002A [Embed]
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>>15355140
Yes, this is the late night public access type video
I would get into. Educational and stimulating.
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>>15355140
I really enjoyed this, it soothes my autism, thanks for sharing

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>>15355162
It's not about the year, or just being online, fucking tiktok videos wouldn't be very helpful

It's about an integrated learning environment where you get multimedia examples and explanations, practice problems, and immediate feedback

This is just as readily available as a digital etext, more available than a printed textbook. It's also more effective than a lecture format, if you are a truly driven turboautist you may be able to maintaim focus long enough to learn just as well from a textbook but the vast majority of students, even the smart ones don't have the attention span these days and you should be honest in yourself assessment and not let an inflated sense of your own intelligence push you into suboptimal learning strategies.

In an honors class the instructor should be providing some additional focus on proofs and rigor, they'll usually just use the institution standard digital text and platform as the base.
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You have to be mentally disabled if you can't learn Calculus out of any ordinary book and rely on an internet platform with gazillion of examples. What even is an integral? Just a bunch of fucking sums, are you retarded? Do you NOT understand? Whats a derivative? Nigger its just a tangent and/or secant on a curve. If you are too stupid to understand this then any kind of fisherprice app wont help you anyway
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>>15356862
>It's about an integrated learning environment where you get multimedia examples and explanations, practice problems, and immediate feedback

yes this is what I was looking for. Thank you, I will go for Stewart and brilliant.
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>>15356862
I probably fit the definition of turbo autist, but of course I can appreciate any good diagram or video which better explains a concept. The problem with these "integrated learning environments" is that they're very geared towards basics and the types of problems that can be graded by multiple choice. As soon as you move to more complicated mathematics, the web-based resources disappear, and it's back to just the textbook and perhaps a video lecture. 

In my personal opinion, those types of things are geared towards profitability for the publisher, and make learning simple concepts far more drawn out than they need to be, to the extent that I think it gives the illusion of learning and progress -- a really good example of that is the DuoLingo app for learning languages.
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Stewart isn't necessarily bad and I would say not hated at all, but there are much better books. Courant, Apostol and Anton all have much more comprehensive and more rigorous books.
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>>15347360
Stewart was gay for real.
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bump
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>>15354356
downloaded the pdf for it...it's damn good
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>>15354356
>Exercises in Maple.
A fucking leaf!
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>>15353165
>integrated digital learning platform
kys, what this means is "total fucking shit"
making stuff muh digital will not help anybody understand and solve problems better
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>>15361229
>it's damn good
No rigour whatsoever, and just a massive tome loaded with filler so the publisher can charge more. Flashy presentation, but very little substance. I suggest serious anons stick with Apostol, Spivak or take the Zorich pill.
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bump

i'm about to buy Spivak's book