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----- --- 15349240 something doesn't add up here --- 15351555 >>15349240 (OP) CO2 is actually one of the weaker greenhouse gasses iirc. H2O is a big one. That might make the difference. --- 15351785 >>15349240 (OP) Mars does obviously experience a greenhouse effect, but it's much farther from the sun. Yes sun can influence climate. More than one factor can influence the climate. No this information isn't shocking to anyone who's not an imbecile. --- 15351799 >>15351785 >nasa soience shill organization run by and for political activists. if they say something is true then you know its a lie. >adding 0.01% co2 to the atmosphere is going to increase the greenhouse effect by 10% only an idiot or someone who is ignorant of math & physics could believe that >graph starts in little ice age to help create the illusion of global warming errrry single time --- 15351809 >>15351799 This is the most low IQ way to be contrarian. Climate change is probably occurring, but it's not going to be the end of the world, and the remedy is not reducing standards of living. We should build out advanced nuclear, develop hot rock geothermal energy, and fund further research into fusion power. With cheap and abundant clean energy a vast array of social, economic and environmental problems are solved. --- 15351834 >>15349240 (OP) You don't even need to leave earth, just look at the past and understand causality (or lack thereof). Inb4 positive feedback, no it still doesn't negate causality. --- 15351840 >>15351799 >muh IPCC, muh nasa cope and sneed. Arrhenius was right >>15351809 agreed. I will not eat the bugs. I will do my part by WFH and not buying hoards of cheap chinese shit. --- 15351881 >>15351785 Your graph is misleading. When did we start covering the planet with vast regions of concrete? --- 15351892 >>15351834 the graph seems to imply temperature drives co2 changes, no? --- 15351928 >>15351892 Not necessarily, it only implies a correlation, however temperature reacts quicker (to whatever outside metric) compared to carbon dioxide, which lags behind. And then there's estimates about different periods of earth all together, like jurassic with +4°C average temperature but 100 (!!!!!!!11) times more co2, compared to today. It's crazy. --- 15352004 >>15351555 Water is indeed the most significant gas contributing to the greenhouse effect on Earth. Furthermore Earth's surface is largely covered in liquid water that traps a lot of heat. Also Mars is on the average roughly 1.524 times further from the sun, witch means it gets only around 43% of the solar irradiance that Earth gets --- 15352257 >>15351928 >like jurassic with +4°C average temperature but 100 (!!!!!!!11) times more co2, compared to today. It's crazy. believing that adding 0.01% co2 to the atmosphere will increase the greenhouse effect by 10% is whats crazy. you'd have to be very stupid or legitimately insane to believe in it. --- 15354620 >>15352257 or brainwashed by television and public school --- 15356751 >>15351555 >CO2 is actually one of the weaker greenhouse gasses iirc. In that case, how is adding 0.01% more CO2 to atmospheric content supposed to increase the greenhouse effect by 10%? --- 15356760 >>15352004 Ban water! Save the planet! Make water illegal! --- 15357341 >>15352004 what % of our tiny greenhouse effect is due to water & what % co2? --- 15357378 >>15349240 (OP) >Farther away with a much smaller atmospheric volume than earth No problem --- 15357573 did you just ignore the literal first sentence where it said earth has about 60 times more atmosphere then mars? --- 15358601 >>15357573 Mars has over 20x more CO2 per unit surface area in it's atmosphere than Earth does. Mars also has no detectable greenhouse effect. CO2 is not a "greenhouse gas". --- 15358628 >>15357341 If you mean what effect does human production of steam into atmosphere do, it is nothing because steam in atmosphere quickly turns into rain, so there is never too much water in atmosphere. As for how much of the total greenhouse effect is caused by water or CO2, I cant find that, but along with methane it is probably enough to cause the tiny 1 degree Celsius shift over the past century. Reducing water in atmosphere to combat it is impossible because it requires enough water to rain, so the whole system is self correcting. Though keep in mind this is not my area of expertise, I just know about it slightly more then the politicians in that other thread saying CO2 concentration in the air is around 5 percent --- 15358635 >>15358601 >Mars also has no detectable greenhouse effect source on that? --- 15358650 >>15358601 if co2 is not a greenhouse gas then how much warmer would mars currently be if it was? --- 15358678 >>15358635 European space agency findings --- 15358687 >>15358678 link? --- 15358694 >>15358650 If "the soience" says that adding 0.01% more co2 to Earth's atmosphere causes a 10% increase in the greenhouse effect, or about 3ºC then Mars should be about 60ºC warmer if CO2 was a greenhouse gas, which it is not. The surface temp on Mars is pretty much exactly what one would expect it to be on the basis of solar flux if the planet had no atmosphere at all. --- 15360324 retards itt. mars has a stronger greenhouse effect, but less radiation reaches it so you're not amplifying as much heat. maybe an analogy will help you dunces. what's a larger value: >10^(5) >3^(9) let a^(b) represent >a is radiation reaching planet >b is amplification of radiation from greenhouse gas what? how can 3^(9) be less than 10^(5)? --- 15360337 >>15360324 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_equilibrium_temperature --- 15360461 >>15349240 (OP) Mars has almost no atmosphere at all. --- 15360484 >>15360461 Mars has over 20x more CO2 than Earth. If that counts as nothing the the CO2 we have here also counts as nothing. That planetary equilibrium temperature link is high school level physics, but its very accurate. Solar flux accounts for nearly all of the heat of both Mars & Earth, CO2 is a non factor in both cases. --- 15360487 >>15360484 >Mars has over 20x more CO2 than Earth. And virtually nothing else, the atmosphere is virtually nonexistent, so of course it's cold. |