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It has been officially announced today that China will begin issuing tourist visas again, for the first time since 2020. Reported by Bloomberg, Reuters and WSJ.

Applications open 15th March 2023. 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-reopens-to-foreign-tourists-lifting-covid-visa-suspensions-58b73d76

Anyone remember the process from the before time?
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>>2421252 (OP)
I went to Hong Kong and got visa at the airport, costs a bit more for multiple entry or long term but they issue them out easily for you then you catch a flight to mainland. My broke ass was struggling and couldn't get express 1 day processing so I lived for a few days at that airport, which was a nice airport with paid showers, other people sleeping and many food options but still that was a young dumb and free decision you do in your 20s. 

In any case visas are easy to visitors I guess with good passports because the agency does whatever invitation thing they need. I can't remember what else was required but they keep your passport until it's ready obviously. This may be a better option if you don't live near a Chinese embassy or don't want to wait.
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>>2421252 (OP)
Wheres the idiot who said they were ripping Chinese passports of people who leave the country? These guys are everywhere right now.
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Who cares? China's a stinking dump
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>>2421547
Thank you for your valuable contribution. This thread can die now, as anon has declared nobody should care about China. 

Hey jackass. Of course there will be some people who care. Stay out of threads you don't like.
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>>2421252 (OP)
How to visit? Recommendations?
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>>2421252 (OP)
Holy shit. Maybe i can finally go to shanghai after all
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>>2421252 (OP)
I live in Chingqing. Thinking of making some travel videos for the few of you who plan to come here. What would interest you? Top 5 eateries? Top 5 cafes? Best walking paths? I really don't know.
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>>2422067
Best clubs to pick up Chinese girls.
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>>2422086
What is your budget?
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>>2422095
NTA but not a concern. Would stay at a 5star.
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>>2422116
>>2422086
whats your age too?
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>>2421460
They were blocking Chinese from leaving for 'non-essential purposes' ie tourism most of last year, although enforcement strictness varied greatly by port of exit.

>>2421961
Visa agent for tourist visa you'll have it back in a week unless the consulates are still messed up, which is possible depending on your country

Recs are hard to give without knowing your previous (if any) China history but as a general hidden gem recommendation, in my opinion - Dongbei - particularly Dalian/Changchun

>>2422086
literally any of them, ESPECIALLY in Chongqing
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>>2422130
Age:57
Budget: no more than $5 for a cover and drinks should be no more than $1
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>>2422270
Are you trolling? Chongqing isn't Thailand. Nowhere will sell you drinks for a dollar. 
>>2422261
>They were preventing Chinese from leaving 
Yeah that's some real fake news shit. Plenty of people I know went out. The problem was coming back in as you had to do quarantine.
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>>2422299
Passport shredding is largely fake news. Denying people exit for tourism was 1) the official policy 2) widely documented 3) saw it with my own eyes last time I left
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>>2421252 (OP)
>mfw 8 year family visit Visa has been uncancelled which means I can simply just fly there immediately
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i'm a tall, handsome white guy who speaks intermediate mandarin, im gonna go to chengdu and fuck every girl I see~
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>>2421252 (OP)
Stay out, white/black/brown trashes. Only yellow trash are allowed.
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>>2421252 (OP)
What's the easiest way to get into china? L visa? i read that some ports in china have visa on arrival for very short term (3-5) days. couldnt you just visa on arrival and then go to the consulate in country and get an L visa?
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>>2423936
>Couldn't you just visa on arrival and then go to the consulate in country and get an L visa?
Don't know about China but many visa on arrival and visa waiver arrangements explicitly forbid extensions and visa changes from within the country.
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>>2421252 (OP)
>Anyone remember the process from the before time?

I was in 2015
basically you need to go the embassy with a photos and your passport, they give you a paper with basic shit to fill out like: your job, your employer, your bank account balance, where do you want to go etc. After you finally give them your stuff they tell you to wait. After like 3 hours they called me again, saying my visa is approved, and they will notice me when I can go back for my passport (it was like 3-5 days)
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>>2422551
chengdu is known as the gay hub of china. curious you mentioned that place specifically
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>>2423957
>>2421252 (OP)
>Anyone remember the process from the before time?

I went in 2018 to Xinjiang and Qinghai and Tibet. I had to fake a whole itinerary with flights and hotels in completely different places which I cancelled immediately after getting my visa approved. To my knowledge you still have to provide the embassy with all your days accounted for in bookings as well as flight tickets in and out of the cuntry.
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>>2422261
>Dongbei
Lets psyop the coomers into visiting Shenyang just like they got psyop'd into visiting Vietnam for pussy kek
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>>2423936
Countries do not maintain consulates/embassies inside of their own country for obvious reasons.

Yes there is transit visa, aka visa on arrival, 72-144 hours depending on port of entry and you are limited to where you can visit, usually just to the port of entry itself although Shanghai lets you visit Zhejiang and Jiangsu as well. You have enter from one country and have a departing ticket to a third country for this to be allowed

There is no way to switch/obtain visa inside China or extend stay if you enter this way.

>>2424016
Dongbei is a good part of China for mongering but a bad part of the country for picking up normal women (relatively speaking)
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>>2422067
Just do the most aesthetic places that's why people go there
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I don't like Chinese women because they get pregnant on purpose to sell aborted fetus stem cells for spending money.
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>>2424227
holy based
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>>2423961
>>2423961
A lot of countries ask you for hotel and itinerary when visiting. I always just make up bullshit. No idea why they even bother asking. No country I ever went to ever checked
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>>2422551
>Chengdu 
>Girls
Uh huh. Sure you are.
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>>2422261
>Dongbei

Why do zoomcels do this? Its name in English is Manchooria.
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>>2424327
Unless you also refer to Guanzhou as Canton and Xiamen as Amoy, etc, this is dumb. Dongbei is currently the most correct and universally understood way of referring to it
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>>2424252
>I always just make up bullshit. No idea why they even bother asking.
When you apply for United States permanent residency, they ask if you're a member of the Communist Party. Nobody with half a brain will say yes, but if they catch you lying, it's grounds to immediately revoke your legal status and even prosecute you.
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>>2424252
but in china they also want to see actual receipts and bookings not just your word afaik
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>>2424450
There's a difference between lying and changing your plans.
You can get into trouble trying to overthrow the US government and assassinating the president without checking the correct boxes on the immigration form.
You are less likely to get into trouble for changing parts of your itinerary after you got the visa, this used to be a common procedure in China until they closed their borders in 2020.
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>>2424459
Refundable reservations and flights bookings are accepted, a fairly common sense policy TBQH.
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>>2424446
Manchuria is absolutely the most common name used outside of China. 
>Dongbei is currently the most correct way of referring to it
In China, yes, but we're not in China.
>Dongbei is currently the most universally understood way of referring to it
That is just not true.
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>>2424460
>You can get into trouble trying to overthrow the US government and assassinating the president without checking the correct boxes on the immigration form.
If the government ever feels like making you fuck off, they can revoke your residency without a trial if you are caught lying on the forms you applied for it with. No need for criminal charges or making them stick. Admittedly, this is an extreme example. No one's gonna get you into trouble for fibbing about where you'll be staying. They probably just want a way of finding you in case the need ever comes up.
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>>2424498
>If the government ever feels like making you fuck off, they can revoke your residency without a trial if you are caught lying on the forms you applied for it with.
That's the purpose of those questions.
No criminals will be caught because of them but they're really convenient to get rid of people.
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>>2424253
Is it like twink heaven or what?

What are Chinese twinks like?
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>>2424496
>In China, yes, but we're not in China
but anon, I AM in China
...and I would contend that the average westerner would be equally unable to identify "Manchuria" OR "Dongbei" on a map

>>2424570
Chengdu is the fag capital of China but also one of the best cities to get girls. It's kind of just a big party city. Very relaxed. I don't know any particulars about the local twinks other than IIRC some club got busted for hosting a bug chasing party a couple years ago kek
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>>2424627
Everybody who knows a little bit of WWII history knows about Manchuria, but nobody has heard of Donbei.
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>my post was deleted
For what reason? Seriously, tranny jannies need to explain themselves
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Can someone confirm that the 10-year tourist visas (for Americans) will be honored? I want to use mine to see China again and transit through with trains all around Asia.
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>>2425814
All pre-March 2020 visas, including tourist visas, are reinstated and will be honored so long as not expired
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>>2422067
Anything that would be difficult to research or find on english google as opposed to chinese baidu
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>>2424227
Based pro choice queens
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>>2424327
Do you still call Beijing Peking? Exactly. Get with the times grandpa.
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>>2425911
Good idea. But what exactly?
>>2424212
Good idea. Thanks.
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>>2426481
Not him, but I do. I don't let the Chinese, Turkish or Ivorian government tell me what to say in my own language. I don't speak Mandarin. It's called Peking in English.
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>>2426543
You can call it whatever you want but most governments and publishers call it Dongbei and Beijing, similar to how they renamed Kiev and anything involving "jap", "nigger" and "sqaw".
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>>2426552
>most governments and publishers call it Dongbei
I have never seen this anywhere until this thread.
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>>2426543
Ok but make sure you don’t draw an arbitrary line here. You must also refer to Guangzhou as Canton, Xiamen as Amoy, Foochow, Chekiang, Korea as Corea, etc
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>>2426663
>Guangzhou as Canton
Most people do think of Guangzhou as Canton unless they're Chinese or very young.
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>>2426554
How many times do you read about this region in a contemporary context?
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>>2426669
I dont know about ‘most’ but sure plenty of people think about Beijing as Peking and GZ as Canton. But once you get beyond those two cities, if you try to communicate about China and insist on using 19th/20th century place names, ie Chekiang, Kwangsi, Amoy, it will be confusing at best or people will just have no clue what you’re talking about
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>>2426663
I will pick and choose on a case by case basis. I will never use the names Amoy, Foochow or Chekiang because those are not names most people know including me. There's a difference between Peking and Canton on one hand, and relatively minor cities that will leave people scratching their heads. In this case we have lost. The English name for China's capital is Peking, and I see no reason to stop using its English name and start using a Chinese name. I don't speak Chinese. If there's a Chinese city whose name has no English translation, or whose English name is unknown, I will use the Chinese name out of necessity. 

>Korea as Corea
This is a different spelling, but not a different name. Written language is nothing more than a representation of spoken language.

Let me illustrate my thoughts by looking at Europe, and saying that my native language is Dutch. There are a bunch of places in Europe that have a perfectly fine name in Dutch, but we stopped using them. The English city of Norwich used to be called Noordwijk in Dutch. Why the hell did we switch to English? Or what about Szczecin in Poland? Does anyone know how to pronounce it? It used to be very simple in Dutch, it was called Stettijn. Code switching can physically FEEL very awkward, or you can completely butcher the pronunciation. Please tell me, what languages do you speak? 

Let me ask you, how do you pronounce Xiamen? 

>>2426671
Me? Almost never. Maybe it's just me. But as you can read above, I oppose code switching mid-sentence. You don't just speak English for an entire sentence, and then half way switch to Chinese for one word, and then continue in English. It makes no sense. Chinese is a completely different language with a completely different phonology. Even code switching between Dutch and English is awkward as fuck.
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>>2426724
>The English name for China's capital is Peking
Not exactly, Peking is the transliteration of 北京 according to the Wade-Giles standard. Beijing is the transliteration according to the modern pinyin standard. Both are transliterations of Chinese characters, not separate English names like Port Arthur for Dalian. Taiwan still uses the old transliteration for city names thus Taipei instead of Taibei and Kaoshiung instead of Gaoxiong, etc.

I speak Chinese and English. I pronounce city names as they are in Chinese, but without tones or native accent if speaking in English. Xiamen is approximately Sha-Men

I agree that code switching is awkward but in this case the original "English" names were still just Chinese transliterations, so unless you really go out of your way to show off "local" Chinese pronunciation, I don't see a difference. Use what people are most likely to understand, which is now city names based on pinyin, NOT Wade Giles
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>>2426724
>Why the hell did we switch to English?
Because it's easier to not have to maintain several similar-sounding names for the same place, especially if both languages use the same alphabet (and yes, the PRC uses Latin characters to phonetically represent their Chinese languages).

While some major places have their own foreign names (e.g. "Rome", "Moscow", "Milan"), the absolute majority of places don't, so you have to use the native names anyway, so why not save time and use them anyway?
Obviously you have to make exceptions for fuckups like Turkey where the sultan has to stroke his manhood by making foreign officials stumble with "Türkiye".

>You don't just speak English for an entire sentence, and then half way switch to Chinese for one word, and then continue in English. It makes no sense.
That's how many languages work though, unless they do not have the appropriate phonological or graphemic inventory (Japanese and Chinese are prime suspects but Italian and Russian aren't far behind) or there is some political force trying to keep foreign influence at bay (Quebec Language Police anyone?).
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>>2426735
>Not exactly, Peking is the transliteration of 北京 
Well, what other alternatives are there? Cambaluc? Dadu? I'm not aware of a real English name for Peking. At least Peking fits with English (and Dutch) spelling and phonology. It has been used for a long time in English and I see no reason to change it. Honestly Beijing is not hard to pronounce or read in English, so it's not as bad as Xiamen, but that doesn't mean it's a necessary change. If I have to choose between Wade-Giles and pinyin, I choose Wade-Giles. Wade-Giles feels less foreign, and it's the system we used originally. That said, I approve of the Chinese government establishing pinyin in the first place. Making a standardised spelling of your language in other alphabets is something more nations should do. I studied some Persian many years ago for my travels, and also just because I really really like Iran. The Persian alphabet/abjad was a pain to deal with (because it's not designed for Persian, it's designed for Arabic), and every book I used had a different romanisation. 

>I speak Chinese and English.
Okay, cool. But if you pronounce Xiamen without tone or native accent, and pronounce the X as SH, then you've already changed the name of the city. At least that's how I see it. At this point, I think it makes sense to just use an English name. 

>Use what people are most likely to understand
Absolutely right when we're talking about lesser known places. But I don't think we're there yet for Peking in particular. But I can only speak for myself and my impressions. If foreign businesses who work in China exclusively use Dongbei, then I'm afraid I'd have to admit defeat, but I don't know if they do. To be honest, I thought you were an idiot when we first tarted talking about this, because I couldn't conceive that I was wrong. Sorry for telling you about your country. You obviously know what you're talking about. You probably think I'm an arrogant prick.
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>>2426744
So I will concede about Dongbei/Manchuria if you give me your word for it, but I will stand by my conviction that we should not replace names or terms by other terms that 'sound more foreign'. 

>That's how many languages work though
Are you saying it's normal for languages to adopt foreign words into their lexicon? I realise it happens all the time, but I will argue that that is not a natural way how languages evolve. Languages organically change by small systematic changes throughout the entire language as a whole, in the form of phonetic/phonological changes and stuff. Loan words are an unfortunate side effect of different languages interacting. Randomly replacing existing words with loan words, or using loan words to fill in gaps, is a big threat to an existing language's identity. I am well aware that this is a radical view and very few people agree with me.

>Quebec Language Police anyone?
Heroes. As a radical language purist I think this should exist everywhere.
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>>2427214
You are free to use Wade Giles, I just don't think it on balance makes the words easier to pronounce and I am certain it is not the most widely understood nowadays. Re: Xiamen, I don't replace the X with SH, you asked for pronunciation and I figured it wouldn't be helpful to go "Oh its easy, you just say Xia-men..."

>But I don't think we're there yet for Peking in particular
Not sure about Europe but I've never met a single person in the United States who didn't use 'Beijing'

>If foreign businesses who work in China exclusively use Dongbei
I can assure you there is not a single foreign business in China that uses the term "Manchuria", not only because it's outdated, but because the Chinese would get actively butthurt if you did. Anyone who has current involvement with China, commercial or otherwise, uses "Dongbei" and pinyin place names. No need to apologize, I don't think you're a prick, you just don't know what you're talking about - which is normal for 100% of Westerners who don't live in China and ~75% of those who do....
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>>2427274
>Re: Xiamen, I don't replace the X with SH, you asked for pronunciation and I figured it wouldn't be helpful to go "Oh its easy, you just say Xia-men..."
I think there's a misunderstanding here. You say you pronounce Xiamen as Sha-Men, which to me looks like /ʃamen/ or something like that. What I meant with replacing the X with a SH, is that you change the pronounciation of the word. If I understand pinyin somewhat, the X is supposed to be pronounced as /ʃj/ and not /ʃ/. So my point is that you call it differently, even though your English pronunciation is very close to the actual name in Mandarin. Can you read IPA? 

>the Chinese would get actively butthurt if you did
Why?

>you just don't know what you're talking about - which is normal for 100% of Westerners who don't live in China and ~75% of those who do....
I'm sorry anon, it must be annoying.
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>>2427296
>>the Chinese would get actively butthurt if you did
>Why?
I'm guessing the association with Japanese interwar domination
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>>2427214
Actually, Peking is not from Wade-Giles, this is a common misconception. Peking is a translation of the Chinese capital's name that became common in European languages as early as the 17th century, two centuries before Thomas Wade was so much as a twinkle in his father's eye.

The city's name was pronounced BAY-ging at the time in Mandarin (much as it still is today in Cantonese). Peking would actually be written Peiching in Wade-Giles if you wanted to reflect current standard prononciation.
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>>2426481
>Hongkong
>Macau
>Peking
>Amoy
>Nanking
>Canton
>Kwangsi
>Kuomintang
>Chiang Kai-Shek
>Mao Tse-tung
>Sun Yat-sen
>Formosa
>Takow
>Port Arthur
>Manchooria
>City of Victoria
>Aberdeen
>Tartars
>hopo
>yamen
>chop suey
>Taoism
>Confucius
>Mencius
>Koxinga
>Ts'ao Ts'ao
>Liu P'ei
>Chao Yun
>Tung Cho
>Sun Ch'uan
>Kwan Yu
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>>2427324
Interesting. Thanks.
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>>2427296
I took your original question to be asking how to pronounce Xiamen, so I explained it approximately. You are correct that Sha-men would be wrong but thats still how I'd explain it to non-Chinese speakers for sake of ease. I don't know what IPA is or how to read those pronunciation marks you wrote. Didn't use those when learning Chinese so I can only tell you I pronounce Xiamen as Xia4men2 / 厦门 (which is obviously unhelpful, apologies)

The other poster basically answered the question about Manchuria. It was a Japanese puppet which is resented. Also the Qing dynasty came from there and were technically invading foreigners. While Manchuria is a geographical area it was also a political unit which no longer exists, was vanquished by the CCP, and so the term has disappeared from use within China except in historical context.

>>2427324
Interesting, I didn't know that but a quick search shows that after Wade Giles they just continued using Peking since it was what everyone was used to.
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>>2427356
Thanks.
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>>2427274
>I've never met a single person in the United States who didn't use 'Beijing'

Don't know what you're talking about. We always say Peking duck
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>>2427369
Yeah thats the name of the dish, that's different. They still call it Peking duck in China too
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Even after 1000 days in Chinese prison, Michael Spavor and Michael Kovrig still have yellow fever. Powerful stuff.
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>>2424446
yeah I do this
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Just avoid the escalators in China.
Or any buildings.
Or anything man made at all really. 
Enjoy the wildlife that chinks haven't ate yet.
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>>2421565
>jackass

Imagine being a 68 year old
Boomer on the interwebs.
Faget
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>>2427632
Ironically you have to avoid the urban wildlife in the US.
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>>2427640
Imagine thinking everyone on the internet is an American.
Idiot.
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>>2427374
No they don't they call it Beijing Kaoya

Booya
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>>2427899
>>2427374
>>2427369
Everyone says Beijing to refer to the city. Some people still say Peking Duck but even that name is getting less popular. Saying Peking is cringe, saying Peking Duck is fine.
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>>2427899
In English though it’s still called Peking Duck
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I went to China when I was 14 and didn't get any pussy. One girl sent me nudes but I could never get her in bed.
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>>2427632
Did she die?
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So who is moving to China this year?
If I'm 30, burnt out of tech work, can I ESL-meme into a chinese waifu in 2023+?
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>>2427560
Spavor
>amoral businessman, friends with Kim Jong-un
>pale FOB gf
Kovrig
>Soros funded pro-west shill
>tanned CBC girlfriend
Exactly what you'd expect.
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>>2427980
yes 100%. and you will get a good salary and most likely your apartment paid for.
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>>2428028
Has the exodus of expats made up for cram schools closing?
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>>2428034
what do you mean? are there ESL jobs? yeah, tons. i would never accept lower thank 20k rmb, and thats the absolute lowest i'd take. and they better be tossing in a free apartment or half paid apartment
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>>2428003
>Spavor
What was amoral about his English teaching business?

I read his old blog from like 2005. When he mentioned loving Korean culture, it gave me the impression he was a bit of a coomer. I mean, how could you not be, dedicating years of your life to learning Korean dialects, enough to be considered fluent.

>Kovrig
In the footage of him arriving back to Canada, coming off his plane, he was hugging some old roastie. He's upgraded since becoming a free, which is kinda interesting.

>Spavor and Kovrig
I find it really strange neither of them have written about their experiences in Chinese detention yet. I've searched quite a bit for any interviews with either of them, and nothing has surfaced yet. Why wouldn't they want to tell the public about their experiences? Even just a short summary about what had happened would be very insightful
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>>2428074
the said roastie
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>>2428074
>I find it really strange neither of them have written about their experiences in Chinese detention yet.
it's also odd more people haven't mentioned this either
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>>2428028
>yes 100%. and you will get a good salary and most likely your apartment paid for.
Tell me more about this. Is there a hub for discussion on China expat/ESL/whatever

I have a degree from the University of Chicago (BS in comp sci), if the Chinese care about name brands.

I just saw some lucky ESL dork land a hot chinese wife in Chengdu and wouldn't mind doing that if the possibility were there. Trying to find out if I'm just a coomer or this is realistic
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>>2428095
>>2428074
>>2427560
Both were spies.
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>>2428074
>I find it really strange neither of them have written about their experiences in Chinese detention yet.
They are probably under a gag order by their respective governments as a condition for their extradition efforts.
Before their release, NK News had a detailed interview of somebody close to one of them describing the prison conditions and the circumstances of their arrest.
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>>2428154
For teaching english they dont care where the degree is from. But with such a good school, if you have 2+ years of work experience you should just get a ‘real’ job in China IMO.

Your chances of getting a hot Chinese wife are 100%. I am not memeing. Assuming you are white. That doesn’t mean it’s all smooth sailing and there aren’t ever issues with Chinese women, but that you will have your pick of tons of attractive women is a certainty.

I am not an english teacher but can answer general China expat q’s if you have any
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>>2428169
some japanese guy was just arrested for espionage
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>>2428268
>They are probably under a gag order by their respective governments as a condition for their extradition efforts
You think Canada told them to stay silent on the subject? For real? Why would the Canadian government want that?
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>>2428505
It could have been a condition set by the Chinese for their release.
It could be to prevent other Canadians from doing the same and expecting to be bailed out as well.
It could be that they were glowies and keeping their mouths shut is just another part of work.
It could be to protect other Canadian assets currently in China or allied countries.
It could be to protect other people in China or Korea.

There are many possibilities and unless they go public all we can do is speculate.
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>>2428352
>For teaching english they dont care where the degree is from. But with such a good school, if you have 2+ years of work experience you should just get a ‘real’ job in China IMO.
The unfortunate part is that my "real job" is draining mentally. I'm looking to ditch software engineering and focus on socializing, unless I can get a "talk about software" kind of role. Coding sucks

>>2428352
>Your chances of getting a hot Chinese wife are 100%. I am not memeing. Assuming you are white.
That wild. 
I'm white and grew up in suburban ohio, but my facial hair grows in quick, 5'7", and dark hair, dark eyes. Skin is white af tho and I've got nice eyes, and am worth $700k @ age 30.
Browsing campuschina.org right now, as being a student could be chill. I certainly have the funds to be a student for a while.

I also see that national taiwan university has english-only programs.

Any programs you think would particularly useful for staying in the region longer term? Obviously language skills would be useful
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>>2428507

Ridiculous. They don't talk about it, because there's nothing to talk about. They probably had 5-star accomodations and a happy ending massage every day.

THe media's only going to report anything if they were tortured and had their kidneys removed.
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>>2428352
>if you have 2+ years of work experience you should just get a ‘real’ job in China IMO
As a software engineer, wouldn't it be difficult to get work, what with all the other candidates willing to get paid next to nothing? I don't think I'd offer anything a Chinese engineer couldn't. Same thing applies to Hong Kong, and Taiwan. Those places are probably even harder to find work, from what I can imagine.
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>>2428565
>As a software engineer, wouldn't it be difficult to get work, what with all the other candidates willing to get paid next to nothing? I don't think I'd offer anything a Chinese engineer couldn't. Same thing applies to Hong Kong, and Taiwan. Those places are probably even harder to find work, from what I can imagine.
I'm the UChicago CS anon. 

While I do think a good American software engineer can offer many things a chinese dev couldn't, I don't think the employers value it properly. Hence, I think getting out of field or up into the higher level decision making would make sense.
I've been telling myself I'm too stupid to get another job for a year or two now.

t.230k/year remote SWE in Manila
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>>2428568
Why would you want to switch jobs and move to China when you can live like royalty in Manilla?
Why did you say coding sucks earlier?
How long have you been in Manilla for?
What's your favourite thing about PH?
Would you ever trade a fraction of your saving for say, a year in China, or a year just traveling?

t. 75k/yr swe with 6 figures saved, considering enjoying my youth and being a wizard programmer when I am older (office work is easier than exploring the world when you're over 60)
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>>2428531
If you have money to blow and don't really intend to pursue serious studies, just need a visa, you can become a resident of China via schools that offer private language tutoring for $10-20k/year depending on city. I'm pretty sure these also exist in Taiwan. There are also plenty of real universities with English-based degree programs but I wouldn't bother with that if you're just doing it for the visa. Unless of course you don't mind/it's something you would have done anyway.

If that's the case NTU > most all mainland options academics wise (except Peking/Qinghua). But again if it's just for the visa, there's options everywhere. Also if you are interested in Taiwan, check out the 'Taiwan Gold Card' program, you may qualify for a 3-5 year residence just based off your current/previous income, with no need for an inviting school/company.

I personally went with the private tutoring for student visa/residence route during early covid period in Mainland as I could no longer do visa runs on my business visa (border shut). Anyway it's really up to you, job/school/neither... don't get a job as an English teacher or commit to a real degree program because you assume it's the only way to be allowed in-country long term... its not. Especially with covid-zero being over, I presume infinite visa runs are back on the menu, but I can't vouch for that personally as I don't need to do that anymore. If you don't urgently need income or you can work remotely, go for it.

>>2428593
I haven't been to Manila so I hesitate to knock it but usually the "live like a king" in 3rd world destination meme is quite overstated. First and second tier Chinese cities will be significantly nicer and still far less expensive than anywhere in the US. If he's 230k/yr remote then he will not feel any pressure from the cost increase in China but he'll definitely enjoy improved amenities/environment.
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>>2428609
Has living in China been fulfilling to you? Is it better then where you were before going there? Did the 10k-20k private tutoring for 1 year make you super, super fluent and get you laid with the teacher, cus that's a ton of money if you mean USD...
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>>2428531
>>2428609
I'm a young undergrad myself (20), so I really like the student idea. Anyone know of any English universities in China that teach Chinese history? I would love to do something like that.
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>>2428673
>>2428660
>>2428531
lookiing for grad programs btw
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>>2428660
>has it been fulfilling
I dont know how to answer that. It is infinitely better than living in the US as a 20 something young guy. I guess it would be very easy for it to be UNFULFILLING, though, and you need to be careful, because it can be life on easy mode and you can end up coasting and getting sucked into a totally stagnant lifestyle. Set a time limit on living there unless you are making serious money, or are engaged in something productive that actually requires you to physically remain in China. Getting married to a local DOES NOT COUNT as 'engaged in something productive'

>Did the 10k-20k private tutoring for 1 year make you super, super fluent and get you laid with the teacher, cus that's a ton of money if you mean USD...
Yes USD. It is expensive but basically the only route to residence (other than marriage) that doesn't impose serious burden on your freedom, the other two options being 1) having a job 2) being a real uni student whose attendance is carefully tracked. Private tutoring you set the schedule yourself (with some time minimums, think it's like 3-4 days a week two or three hours per day) and yes that does make you fluent unless you're retarded. The progress you can make with the combo of living there AND having a private tutor is amazing. And yeah most of them are young women you could easily fuck them if you want.
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>>2428681
I'm kinda locked to America. Every 2 months I have to be here to receive my meds. I wouldn't trust receiving the same meds in China to say the least.
How did you end up deciding to move there? It's such a huge decision. Especially if things are going ok for you in the west.
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>>2428686
Just get a 10yr tourist visa to start then. 60 days per entry and you can do visa runs to infinity if you're enjoying yourself. Check out different cities then decide. Also unless your meds are something banned in China like Adderall, Chinese meds are fine.

>How'd I decide to move
Job offer as I was graduating high school and it was the God-sent excuse I needed not to go to college.
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>>2428689
>Chinese meds are fine
what about biologics what cost $750/month?

do you ever get lonely there? like sure there are Chinese people and expats to chill with, but always being surrounded by other people who just don't get it seems like it would be exhausting after a while. Specifically the conmen, most of them being unaware of their surroundings, being shit and uncaring at their jobs. I dunno of it'd be possible to feel connected to others there. Have you felt this disconnect?
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>>2427980
moving to china in august to teach in Shenzhen (international school, but same shit). you boys trying to start a group chat?
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>>2428698
>moving to china in august to teach in Shenzhen (international school, but same shit). you boys trying to start a group chat?
What's your background?
If you post a discord I'll join>>2428609
>There are also plenty of real universities with English-based degree programs but I wouldn't bother with that if you're just doing it for the visa.
While having the visa is nice, I'd like to do a chill program at a legit university. Not a technical degree this time around for me

I want a good campus life or something that replaces it in a fulfilling way 
>>2428609
>If that's the case NTU > most all mainland options academics wise (except Peking/Qinghua)
Oh interesting. I didn't know the relative rank of NTU among the top 10% of mainland universities.
I'd have to decide on if I'd prefer to base out of taiwan or the mainland to make that call there 

>>2428593
>Why would you want to switch jobs and move to China when you can live like royalty in Manilla?
Purely for the potential to enter a relationship with more intelligent woman.
Manila and philippines in general has been amazing and I'm able to handle living in a developing country, but 
>>2428593
>Why did you say coding sucks earlier?
Maybe I can get into the details later; I've got a lot of thoughts ranging from the non-social nature of the career to having to work 
>>2428593
>How long have you been in Manilla for?
Been in philippines 6 months so far. 
>>2428593
>What's your favourite thing about PH?
Easy, condomless sex with a wide variety of girls
street basketball
chicken inasal
low language barrier
started surfing and it's pretty neat 
>>2428593
>Would you ever trade a fraction of your saving for say, a year in China, or a year just traveling?
I'd easily do that. Yes.
I'm a little golden handcuffed to my current remote role because it is an easy 230k/year and I'm just not sure I could find something like it again.
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>>2428609
>I haven't been to Manila so I hesitate to knock it but usually the "live like a king" in 3rd world destination meme is quite overstated. First and second tier Chinese cities will be significantly nicer and still far less expensive than anywhere in the US. If he's 230k/yr remote then he will not feel any pressure from the cost increase in China but he'll definitely enjoy improved amenities/environment.
This puts it pretty well. I don't necessarily need my women to be as easy as they are in PH or my cost of living be as low.
While I can physcially deal with the conditions of life there, especially in a condo, I have options to find a happy medium
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>>2428507
>It could be that they were glowies
Oh my god, you really think so?
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>>2428507
The fact that they were released within 12 hours of that the Huawei girl being released just confirms to me that they were glowies and that she was a political prisoner.
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>>2428531
>I'm 5'7
Dude you are going to be bullied mercilessly.
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>>2428859
Come on man he knows, no need to remind him on here lmao
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>>2428692
I have no idea what you mean by 'surrounded by people who just don't get it' or who the conmen unaware of their surroundings are... but loneliness is a pretty common complaint of expats in China, sure. More so in smaller cities with no foreigner community though
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>>2428905
>Mfw I lived in a small city with practically zero foreigners
I was just bored desu. There were no clubs and everyone knew everyone so girls were to afraid to date me as they didn't want to be the obvious talk of the town. Beautiful nature though .
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>>2428864
He's going to be reminded about it everyday in China. Chinese girls are brutal to manlets, much more so than white girls.
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>>2428909
kek yeah there is a sweet spot of small enough that you get max foreigner points with the girls but not so small that they are concerned about social backlash from being seen with you. In my experience the best spot was Changsha but anything thats bigger than "County level" city should work
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>>2428859
>Dude you are going to be bullied mercilessly.
Don't think I'm too worried about bullying at age 30. My parents gave me poor nutrition growing up and I don't control that
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>>2428698
>>2428737

I am >>2428609

Here is a link to our dead Mandarin learning discord from /lang/, if you guys want to chat more about China expat life you can join and hit me up in there

https://discord.gg/sHkdzWGw
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I want to go breed leftover women
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>>2428859
>>2428951
There is no escape for being a defective male (manlet). Even chinks will mog you. Death is the only release.
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>>2429014
>There is no escape for being a defective male (manlet). Even chinks will mog you. Death is the only release.
lol what kind of defeatist take is this?
My body count is too high at this point (at 5'7"), so I'm just focused on wife material, comfy neighborhood/culture, etc 
There's someone out there, even for pajeet manlets
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>>2428593
>>2428609
For me its the opposite. I could live in the Philippines, in spite of the country's problems. If I'm going to live outside of the US, it has to be in a country where rules are flexible, vice is not considered a big deal, life is laid back and beaches are nearby. China doesn't offer enough of that and I dislike the Chinese in general, I think they're materialistic (flips aren't much better but they're less uptight), selfish and high-strung. This includes Chinese-Americans in the US, I don't like working with them. Plus China has just as much pollution, social problems and backwardness as the Philippines, though you avoid a lot of that living in a "first tier" city, those places are expensive and dense, and I don't like Chinese 1st/2nd tier cities because everything is super dense and high-rise and I'm not into that.
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>>2427356
Quick question: Are Uyghurs, Tibetanc etc considered "Chinese"?
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>>2429034
Sounds like you know what you value.

Flips are materialist; they just 97% of the time lack any material and are borderline retards in many cases, so don't expect much change there. Chinese do gaudy shit like camo wrapped lambos.

>>2429034
>everything is super dense and high-rise and I'm not into that
Ya that would be gg for China/hong kong fantasies then. While I like motorcycle road trips out in nature, I do like a bit of a cyberpunk aesthetic. Asians do better cities than Americans unfortunately.

In terms of vice, prostitutes and smoking cigs seems plentiful in China. I'm not sure anywhere does prozzies quite like the Chinese. Which vices are you hoping to engage in?

Philippines has flexible rules, but its population thinks weed is roughly equivalent to doing bath salts.

Overall, I do like the chinese emphasis on biz/finance/education, but it does get easily over emphasized.
The 2-3 lowest empathy individuals I ever met were chinese.
I ultimately think the girls look hot and some use their higher IQ to know how to pleasure a man, which is even hotter
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>>2427356
>While Manchuria is a geographical area it was also a political unit
You mean like a country? That was only during the Japanese occupation so the japs could steal resources
--- 2429056
I have no idea what the fuck a discord is. Am I boomer at 27?
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>>2429056
>I have no idea what the fuck a discord is. Am I boomer at 27?
I'm 30 and have used discord for years. You're simply under a rock, which is probably better than being a boomer
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>>2429056
It just means you're not a loser/tranny

>imagine using shitty tranny-infested software to talk to other losers who still play vidya as an adult

absolutely degenerate
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>>2429055
Yes and no, Manchukuo was specific to the Japanese occupation but the Manchus being a distinct and separate political structure/class was not
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>>2428994
get in line buddy
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>>2429045
>prozzies quite like the Chinese
how does it differ from Thailand?
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>>2429100
No open air meat markets
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>>2427632
We know China is a dystopian shithole.
But we can coom and eat bad for your body junk food chinese food every day so it's cool unironically. It's like a better version of Thailand because the girls are light skinned.
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>>2429100
>how does it differ from Thailand?
>>2429104
>No open air meat markets
Great combination of being very widespread, accepted within the culture, many of the girls with great technique, the value, the aesthetic of the girls, tightness/fitness and more.
Having all that but being able to walk around my neighborhood without being tugged at by 3 ladyboys and a streetwalker is nice.
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>>2429322
Chinese meat market: wild animals
Thai meat market: hookers and trannies
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>>2422067
top 5 chongqing hills to avoid having to walk up
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>>2429041
yes, but looked down on like how americans look down on alabamans etc. uyghhurs who look very turkic and are in the east of china are just called Xinjiang ren, xinjiang people, are are treated with suspicion and derision, as they are largely involved in petty crime. 
tibetans don't have this problem, but you rarely see them in the east of china.
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>>2422067
Top 5 methods of procuring prostitutes. Apps, locations, pick up lines, brothels, friends, business meetings. Any permutations. Go.
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>>2421252 (OP)
Will I be prescribed a fertile Chinese girlfriend once the visa is approved? If no, no deal
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>>2429736
If you are talking about "ethnic Chinese", is this an umbrella term that inclused Uyghurs, Tibetans etc? Or only Han Chinese? What about Mongols in Inner Mongolia and independent Mongolia?
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>>2429889
>Will I be prescribed a fertile Chinese girlfriend

If you make youtube videos, yes. THey will assign you a hot girl to keep you happy. What's his face got a pretty good one, barnett or whateer, barret?
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>>2429987
chinese are any people from the 50-odd ethnic groups of china. ethnic mongolians from inner mongolia are chinese, mongolians from mongolia the country are not chinese.
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>>2430815
Isn't this confusing ethnicity and nationality?
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>>2429736
>involved in petty crime

How? Muslims don't commit crimes as the penalties are very severe. THey are known for their hospitality.
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Americans when they talk about China without ever visiting it
>Uyghurs
>Tianemen square
>CCTV everywhere
>Pollution
>Winni dah poooo
>You can't use Facebook!

Everyone else when they visit China
>Food, restaurants
>Shopping centers, tourist sites
>Local sightseeing and cultural centers
>Hiking to mountains, temples, nature centers
>Concert venues, art districts
>Niche local spots that new Chinese friend takes you to
>Interesting differences between regions

Why it always be like this?
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>>2431098
>le epic mindful and omniscient anon
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>>2431098
This site is filled with feds, incels and Qtard boomers. Winnie the Pooh is all need to know that they are 6 years old mentally.
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>>2431098
>*ACK*!!!
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>>2431163
Oh no, a bunch of dying BLACKED countries are crying over their new rulers. Anyway...
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>>2431170
>t. 100% pure han master race
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>>2431163
>>2431170
>>2431173
QED >>2431145
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>>2431163
What percent in that study have been to China?
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China number 4. How?

What's your list of lovely least visited countries.
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>>2431233
European countries are so overinflated.
Europeans visiting another "country" 2 hours away and it counts as international tourism.
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>>2421252 (OP)
congrats
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>>2429045
the only vices you're allowed to have is drinking and adultry in the Philippines
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>>2431233
Most likely spouses, chinks with foreign passports and chinks born in foreign countries who come to China to visit family on tourist visa instead of family. 

I know a dude married to a chinese woman and he just comes to China with a tourist visa.
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>>2428568
hey Chicago U anon, how's it going in the Philippines?
>I've been telling myself I'm too stupid to get another job for a year or two now.
What makes you say this?
I've been thinking something similar, but only because ChatGPT can out-perform everyone in speed and quality. This is true at least for most generic programming tasks, which I think it the bulk of SWE work. I've also been unable to find another job that's comfy and high paying like my current job.

>>2428698
>I'm a little golden handcuffed to my current remote role because it is an easy 230k/year and I'm just not sure I could find something like it again.
Do you need this again?

>>2428990
>sHkdzWGw
I'm unable to join this server. I can make a different one for others interesting in going to live in China.

>>2428609
>you can become a resident of China via schools that offer private language tutoring for $10-20k/year depending on city
What are some signs that a school is genuine, and isn't a fraud trying to make easy money? From certain popular vloggers circa 2013, many of these schools do under the table stuff, allowing you to stay in the country, but controlling your life because of it's illegitimate means of bringing you in to work.
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>>2434094
https://discord.gg/mChWuwg59N

Try again I think the link just expired
Regarding the schools - I was talking about schools that issue you a student visa. What you/the vloggers are referring to are schools that get you a work permit, illegitimately at that (usually because you don't properly qualify), then use that fact against you once in country so you do whatever they want. That's not really possible if you're a student since there is no fake qualification, the only problem is if you skip all your classes (and I mean ALL of your classes), then they are supposed to report you and you could get deported
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bmp
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>>2427632
It's like they're standing there waiting for it to happen. Was this staged?
>>2427938
Yes, if it's real
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Has anyone tried the 72 hour visa free transfer trick after covid?
--- 2437493
I am going to move to Chinar

I am going to be an obnoxious hipster who spends more than half his pathetic TEFL salary on sharing an old hutong apartment in Shanghai so I can eat out at overpriced cafés and post the photos on my Instagram

In short I’m going to Tim it up hard, and you can’t stop me
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>>2437493
if you wanna work until 65, go right ahead
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>>2431098
Ive been to China and I talk about the above
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Where do I get a qt gf to eat dog with?
I want to go to that market where they skin the dogs alive.
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>>2428692
>what about biologics what cost $750/month?
Dude unless it's some cutting-edge medicine, you'll likely be able to find the generic version for pennies anywhere but the US. It's well known that our healthcare system is garbage.
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What's the cooming situation like in China?
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>>2437647
Prostitution is largely reserved for locals. Good places are for the rich.
Go to any nightclub and you'll be able to get Chinese women though. The zoomer generation is very open, they play "intimate drinking games" with strangers.
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>>2437493
there is still space for CCJmaxxing, welcome anon
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>>2437600
rent free
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>>2437647
I'm 35 years old, average body but light blue eyes and a short, trimmed red beard. The face and beard situation was enough to get ridiculous amounts of positive attention everywhere.

Chinese women approached me out in nightlife venues to talk to me and flirt with me in broken english. Getting laid was never more simple in my life. 

These women were maybe 25-30, and what I would say are 7's in the west, but that's suits me just fine. Super hot chicks always come with bullshit, and these women chose me, so that means they are into the foreigner thing and will have a good time with me.

I really like soft white chinese skin. Very similar to Japanese. They feel so fragile, but are more 'thicc' than japanese women so I could pound them out without worrying they were going to break. 

I wasn't pulling or trying to pull any top tier teenage cuties. Those are mostly reserved for wealthy chinks, or trafficked into brothels. I did experience one suspiciously young lady grabbing me and trying to go with me at night, but since she looked about 13 I politely extracted myself from the situation and walked away.
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>>2438236
Let me add I put almost zero effort into the cooming. I literally just showed up, ordered a drink, and smiled at women who walked by me. That was all. I did zero online/text message games.

I speak zero chinese and won't learn it. I don't text in chinese or translate anything unless I need something. I don't even say 'ni hao'. 

Literally as white and foreign as can be, and that seemed to be what a certain demographic were looking for. 

This worked in a few different cities.
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>>2437745
Prostitution is not reserved for locals whatsoever in the way that it is in Japan, ie, you are literally not allowed to partake on account of being a foreigner.

If you can find it and have money, you're in. Language ability is helpful but not strictly necessary.

>>2437493
In Shanghai they are called Longtang, not hutong, anon : )
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any recommendation for a 3 week itinerary for a first time to China? 

Considering starting my way in Beijing, heading to Xi'an with a few stops then doing the same to Shanghai to fly out, but don't want to be rushing too much.
Just hate flying around when I'm exploring, prefer slowly making my way across the country overground, though aware the above might be a bit ambitious given the ground to cover. Maybe best to stick to a more compact route in the South-west.

no interest in cooming because I grew up in a country with a large chink population that we look down on, and will be with my gf
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>>2427560
I'm only in my 20s but I'm so jealous of men with gfs/wives like Kovrigs.
>tan and overall very healthy appearance
>speak and behave confidently
>very fashionable
At least now he can have some top quality cooms after a thousand days in prison
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Are there any good western food tubers in China? The Food Ranger is a huge faggot.
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>>2438266
>hate flying around
you can cover large distances with 5 hours on a train and if you start early or get a late train you can still have most of the day somewhere. i done chongqing to wuhan and it was half of the day, still had plenty of time to get out and see things when i arrived. 
as a suggestion, Beijing, Shijiazhuang, Xi'an, Chengdu (4 hrs from xian), Chongqing, Wuhan (6hrs from cq), Nanjing (3hrs from wh), Suzhou, shanghai.
suzhou is cool, old water town in the south of it is worth a look.
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>>2438236
>They feel so fragile, but are more 'thicc' than japanese women
fatty finder.
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>>2438471
Jabiertzo
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>>2438266
Have you considered overnight trains?
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>>2438970
maybe if he spoke english. which website do you think you're on amigo? lol
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I don't know why anyone would want to visit China.
Polluted, awful people, totalitarian.
I have never heard a positive thing about it ever
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>>2438940
thank you anon that is very helpful

>>2438971
yes but it's not the travel itself that bothers me, it's just going from city to city and missing everything in between