sci/15334379.txt

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How many of you are ACTUALLY 130+ iq?
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87 IQ anon here, AMA.
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>>15334379 (OP)
probably a lot. 130 has a rarity of 1 in 44, and this board certainly will attract smarter people. .
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>>15334379 (OP)
im probably like 90 iq. i dont give a fuck about science im afraid, im just here to dunk on vaxtards
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>>15334401
>>/pol/
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>>15334410
make me retard
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>>15334414
>retard
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>>15334398
True. I would put the average iq of frequent posters on this board at around 120
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>>15334419
youre smarter than me and yet you still fell for the scam. how does that make you feel
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>>15334379 (OP)
IQ is a social construct
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>>15334445
You're not and yet you fell for a bigger scam, of which you are the scammer.
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>$0.0036
>or $0.00339
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>>15334446
Kek
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>>15334447
what scam is that exactly? and you need to give your head a shake if you think theres a bigger scam than letting yourself get injected with whatever the government tells you to get injected with
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>>15334379 (OP)
Idk what my IQ is. Honestly, I don't wanna know because I may not like the best result :(
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>>15334398
>this board certainly will attract smarter people
then they leave after seeing the 12th thread on 0.999...
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i got a 60/60 on a ravens progressive matrices at 17. went to psychologist for depression and was administered it. i was scored "144". but i don't know how representative that is.
i certainly feel smart and people say i am smart, but i am a bit disappointed that i don't have mental superpowers or anything. i mostly just pick up on patterns really quickly. it feels like i often intuitively figure out things that other people might have to think about for longer. i still get things wrong and make mistakes and fail to understand things.
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69 IQ here.
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>>15334548
Get on my level, I'm 420 IQ
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>>15334537
Do you find it hard to speak to the average person?
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>>15334608
mine is over 9000
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>>15334471
Don't argue with this proud academic dipshit. I know a lot of niggers like this. They'll never admit they did this to themselves. 85% of /sci/ are reddit vaxxed niggers "muh MBA" "Muh education". Enjoy VAIDS niggers.
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>>15334610
not in general. there is usually a sort of "feeling it out" phase with people where i have to determine how much i need to explain concepts. but i think everyone does that, finding out how someone else operates and what type of conversation you can have with them.
i do find it hard to find people where i go "okay this person is actually pretty clever". like there are only a few times where someone feels really in sync with how i'm operating.
writing this out feels somewhat narcissistic. i imagine it's similar to someone who is very tall or naturally funny, like you don't run into many people who are as tall or hilarious or whatever.
i don't think it's really a cheatcode though. i struggle with motivation and often feel like i've wasted a gift i was given. i think i'd trade some off in exchange for more self discipline.
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>>15334762
self discipline is the gift of sub 80 IQs 

its literally doing the most understimulating shit over and over and seeing miniscule improvements

just LARP as a retard and youll make it
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>>15334610
>Do you find it hard to speak to the average person?
NTA. In general your best bet is never to talk about anything that would require you explain things to such an extent the person would begin to feel belittled by it. This is not JUST about average people, but inter-comparison of standard deviations. The more extreme of an outlier you are compared to others, in general, the more you need to prune your language and ideas. Taken to the extreme, doesn't matter if someone has an IQ of 145, you can definitely elicit a similar response as you'd get trying to explain evolution to a young earth creationist if you're that much of an outlier to them as they are to someone normal.

The second problem is communicating ideas. If someone is about as intelligent as I am, I need to write very little even if we're writing back and forth a lot. We simply "fill in the blanks" so quickly that even relatively nonstandard uses of jargon, analogies, and so on, can easily be mutually understood. The more out of someone else's depth you are the more words you need to explain the level of detail you're going for, and the breadth you intend. Yet such people are the least tolerant of exactly that. It is a catch-22, and you're always better off being charismatic and witty than genuine or genuinely desiring to share your ideas. It can go real bad real fast, especially if you upset any resident narcissist online or off. Since the more you outclass a narcissist the more desperate they are to try ruining you to make up for how pathetic they are. Really there's only down sides to being honest.
>>15334762
>i do find it hard to find people where i go "okay this person is actually pretty clever". like there are only a few times where someone feels really in sync with how i'm operating.
A kind of mutual "flow" would be the idea you're going for, I think. I've only met one person where I've felt that, and we're both insane outliers.
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>>15334667
Still waiting on that VAIDS.
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When I was 8 I was scouted for a gifted program at some university, but my jealous sister caused my parents to not let me into the program.
Since then I didn't do much to prove myself.
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>>15334379 (OP)
I measured mine to be a little bit over 130, but it was with a soft ruler, so it might really be even bigger.
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135 midwit here. i want to kill myself because i'm sub 150. they ordered a test for me at school when i was 7 or 8 because i was a bit precocious. it was administered by an old lady and the only question i remember was "name something you'd find on the side of a building that people don't like" and i was racking my brain for the word graffiti but i just couldn't produce it so i said "bugs". i always wondered what the average of 100 really represents if they only take the smart kids for testing. how many people do you know that have been given a legitimate test by a credentialed psychiatrist
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>>15336166
>135 midwit here
being in the top 1% is not a "midwit"
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>>15336166
I thought of trash and then quickly started to wonder what 'the side of a building' actually meant.
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>>15334379 (OP)
considering +2 sd is 1/50th of the population, I'd imagine a lot
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>>15336169
138 midwit here. Even I acknowledge only people above 145 are not midwits.
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>>15336332
What do you think midwit means? Doesn't the term midwit imply near-average intellect?
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I think I'm around 120. IQ is overrated anyway. The guy with the highest IQ was socially shy, never started a family, and worked as a measly professor his whole life. Not a life I'd personally want. I think creativity and social skills are just as important as IQ.
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>>15336332
You're over 130. You're not a midwit, you dumbass.
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>>15336166
>135 midwit here. i want to kill myself because i'm sub 150. they ordered a test for me at school when i was 7 or 8 because i was a bit precocious. it was administered by an old lady and the only question i remember was "name something you'd find on the side of a building that people don't like" and i was racking my brain for the word graffiti but i just couldn't produce it so i said "bugs". i always wondered what the average of 100 really represents if they only take the smart kids for testing. how many people do you know that have been given a legitimate test by a credentialed psychiatrist
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160. It's of no value because I need to work to survive.
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>>15336332
midwit is someone average to slightly above average (100 to 115) 
being in the top 1% is in no way a midwit. just elitism for the sake of it at this point.
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>>15334379 (OP)
Why are you asking? Why are /sci/ fags so insecure?
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>>15336699
this place is full of teenagers
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>>15336596
It's part of /pol/tard and related rhetoric to dismiss scientists and science in favor of cherrypicked "experts" confirming respective biases. Or their own narcissism and delusional beliefs of their own intellectual superiority. Doesn't help that people suffering imposter syndrome due to unrealistic expectations of themselves pick up the same lingo. It's a confluence of things.
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>>15336169
140 midwit here. I acknowledge only von Neumann to be not a midwit or anyone >160 iq
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>>15336734
>"im 140, look at this online test i took!"
youre less than 140 lol
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>>15336737
what score did u get sub 120 retard?
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>>15336743
>another online test
HHAHAHAHAHA hes coping hard
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>>15334379 (OP)
Depends on how many IQ tests you let me do beforehand
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>>15334379 (OP)
i haven't took an IQ test,waste of money
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>>15336745
>no score 
>HAHAHAHHAHA
your laugh sounds retard 
you’re probably a third world niggermonkey
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>>15336734
Kek. 160 is prime midwit material. LITERALLY EVERY historical genius was 180+
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>>15337107
If you are not at least over 200 IQ then you couldn't even figure out the captcha.
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>>15336169
160 midwit here. I cant believe ill never be anything other than a dumbass. Might as well neck
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>>15337112
200 IQ? Really? I took a test on freeiqs.com and I got a 489 IQ. Get on my level, plebeian.
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>>15337131
Well yeah, I'm over 700 IQ confirmed in actual online IQ tests that required a $100 fee just to sign up. 
I was just saying even low tier morons are at least 200 IQ around here.
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>>15337135
My IQ... it's.... it's over 9000!
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>>15334379 (OP)
Probably about 20-25% of us if I had to guess. As the classic saying goes, 4chan is where smart people go to act like retards, while reddit is where retards go to act like smart people. Granted, this place is also dripping with actual retards, but at least it's not reddit.
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>>15334379 (OP)
134 and I'm still a retard.
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>>15336743
I'm not the guy you responded to, but I actually took the test and it was pretty fun!

Pleasantly surprised by my result, but do you know if this test is accurate?
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>>15337361
Dunning Kruger in full force
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>>15334398
>this board certainly will attract smarter people
lmao no it wont
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I've tested 142 and 146 at mensa and a psychologist.
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>>15337364
well, i cant really be sure if it is accurate unless you check if you get about the same results in other iq tests. try mensa's norway and denmark then compare, there is also CAIT, and fsiq by openpsychometrics
in my case, it is pretty accurate as I got 135+ in all those tests
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I doubt this board is intelligent as they think they are.
The highest i'd expect is 135
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>>15337849
Yeah, I tend to average around 131 in most tests
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>>15334379 (OP)
Quite a few. I don't know if the online tests are meaningful, but I took the mensa norway one a while ago and got high 120s, and I think I'm probably on the dimmer end of the range amongst people who regularly visit /sci/.
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I was certified to have a 160 IQ by the late Stephen Hawking. He administered the test and performed rigorous analysis on the results. It was actually determined that my answers surpassed the inherent IQ of the test design itself. I discovered a new and better way of answering every question.
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>>15336743
Got the first 9 of 10 correct then got bored as I hit I don't know for the rest. Most online IQ tests (which are bullshit) say mine is between 135 and 145 but since I became a NEET I stopped challenging myself mentally and consume garbage content so now I'm retarded.
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>>15334382
If you hadn't eaten breakfast yesterday, how would you have felt by lunchtime?
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>>15334379 (OP)
When I was a kid I was tested at 156. My life has been unremarkable. I had to drop out of college twice (family matters), and I've had a long series of white-collar jobs at which I've had moderate success. I'm not a scientist, I'm not an entrepreneur and I'm not rich. I guess I'm a textbook example of wasted potential.
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>>15337849
>try mensa's norway and denmark then compare, there is also CAIT, and fsiq by openpsychometrics
all garbage
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>>15338118
i would have still been consumed by my hatred of jews
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>>15338118
I didn't have breakfast yesterday, and I felt fine, as a typically don't eat breakfast and am used to that. However, hypothetically, if I was habitually eating breakfast, but, despite this, didn't have it that day, then all I can say is that the likelyhood of my feeling hungry by lunch time would have been greater, though my overall mood wouldn't have likely been affected much, considering breakfast makes me feel bloated and tired for hours and I prefer to have mid morning snacks.

I wouldn't have responded this way had you asked in person or another context outside 4chan though.

t. 130IQ
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>>15334379 (OP)
Me and nobody else
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mi iq is smol like my benis luol
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>>15334398
>130 has a rarity of 1 in 44
I don't believe you. The public is a godforsaken cesspool of idiots, I'd wager this normalization is from 1950 and the corrections were done using college students. Not to mention demographic change.
The average voter in the west nowadays has an IQ around 90, people above 110 are 1 in 20, 130 are 1 in 1000 and 150 are fuck if I know, 1 in 10000.
I can't handle it anymore
I would torture and kill counless politicians if that could give me not even a more intelligent society, but merely a society where the average person has average intelligence as measured on the scale you refer to.
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>>15338234
Children's IQ tests have a handicap added to the score. You're nowhere near 156.
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Online IQ tests aren't accurate. Most of them don't even give any pretense of legitimacy. The ones from Mensa generally inflate your score by design. None of you would pay money just to confirm that you are an unremarlable midwit, you are more likely to pay for the real test if you mistakenly believe you have >130 IQ.
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>>15340151
You underestimate the stupidity of the 100 iq
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the object pattern recognition tests are really boring
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did the wisc at 14, the wais at 18. got 129.
performance on the timed half was like borderline intellectually disabled, but the other half was 140+.
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>>15334379 (OP)
i'm 163 and high functioning aspergers
a lot of you already know me by this post
i hate it
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>>15334379 (OP)
BUMP
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>>15334379 (OP)
Taking the official test has been on my to-do-list for years. I'm probably a midwit.
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>>15343342
Im sorry to hear that.
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>>15334379 (OP)
Every test Ive taken puts me above 130. Ive only ever taken internet tests which are unreliable. People IRL tell me I'm smart. Ive met people smarter than myself

>>15334398
we are the 44
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>>15334379 (OP)
One IQ test in middle school and two IQ test proxies as an adult all put my IQ in the high 130s. I don't go around telling people my IQ or try to win arguments with appeal to IQ, but it's nice when I have imposters syndrome to be able to use it to break some of those thoughts.
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>>15334479
It doesn't take a three digit IQ to figure out how to hide threads.
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>>15336382
Definition from the man who coined the term.
>Individuals of above average intelligence, yet not too far from average. Essentially people smart enough to think about ideas, reason through them to some degree and feel confident, or more accurately, over confident and then cause damage.
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>>15343859
It's me...
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I'd bet that most people citing their iq have never taken a real WAIS/WISC/SBV test
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>>15345691
I was forced to take the Wechsler test with a psychologist (don't ask why). My full-scale iq was 126. I remember my verbal was ~135 and spatial was ~98.
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>>15345698
What job do you have/are pursuing?
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>>15345702
Unemployed and living with my mom, wasting my time on 4chan. I'm truly living the life.
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>>15345712
Hope you get out soon, wordsmith
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>>15345691
I scored 138 on the WAISIV when I was 10. My teacher was always impressed with my math and reading skills but didn’t really make a big deal out of it until she saw me reading A Moveable Feast. Her eyes lit up because apparently she was an English literature major and she started questioning me about the content of the book; whether I knew what it was about, the themes, etc. Next thing I knew I was giving readings of various college level texts in front of the school psychologist and he insisted I get tested. Mom didn’t see the big deal but for the remainder of elementary school instead of going to recess and playing with my friends I would spend it in the psychologists office with a few other teachers being limit tested with math, science, and literature. Felt like a freak. Still do.
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>>15345767
>>15345698
>>15343693
At what point do you think a high iq person begins to feel deeply alienated by the average? 125, 130, 140?
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>>15334379 (OP)
I'm a Mensa member with a registered IQ of 183 AMA
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>>15345811
No, you're not
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>>15334379 (OP)
IRL I have an IQ score which ranges from 135-145, from a range of tests I've taken online and in person. I would also like to point out I'm still a secondary school student. With this in mind, people tend to avoid me and think of me as a 'nerd' which is sort of true. I'm still supposed to be 2nd year GCSE however I'm still scoring 90-100% in A-level papers and come top of every class I take for GCSE with relative ease. E.g in my end-of-year exams I averaged 98% across all my classes while the year's average was around or below 50% which people find impressive and think I either cheated or spent all my free time studying, however, I rarely study, If I do, I spend 3-4 hours a day (depending on the day). So I've been told both that I'm gifted and that you don't magically gain a talent when you're born so idk what's up with me.
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>>15345831
lmaooooooo yh everyone saying their IQ is like 80+ so just wanted to test the thread
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>>15345861
You're going to want to fix that pretty quick. The sooner you study beyond your ability the easier higher achievement and income will be. Same goes for theory of mind and working out socialization. You do not want to be seen as "the alien" or other and you should devote quite some time to learning to manage people and perception. Just as a matter of making life easy.
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>>15345861
Damn, I wish I was super smart in that way. We should genetically engineer people to have an iq of 300
>and that you don't magically gain a talent when you're born
I'm not sure why people think this when twin studies show iq/psychometric general intelligence (which is supposed to correlate somewhat highly with academics and things like that) is mostly heritable.
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>>15346221
It's funny that you say that because genes from different parents must also pass on, for example, my Father is an Economist with an IQ sitting around the 130s and who is incredibly good at maths and part science. My mother, however, doesn't Enjoy science or maths, she's a photographer and is more of an English and art person. I do have a younger sister, and while my sister does average in maths and science, she excels in the arts and in English. What I'm trying to get at is that while my father and I are more academic and mathematical my sister and mother are the opposite, it could actually have to do with gender.
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>>15346242
Not far off. I did hear that the amount of estrogen and testosterone you are exposed to in the womb tends to influence the way the brain develops.
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>>15334379 (OP)
I used to be until they stole my brain.
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>>15346254
Mom, the 4chan hacked my brain and stole all my iq points!
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>>15346242
>it could actually have to do with gender.
It could but you get the same proportion of genes from both parents; one of each pair of chromosomes and an X from mother and X or Y from father. But in the parents' gametes it's kind of like the genes from your grandparents are shuffled. I don't know exactly how the model for polygenic traits like that is supposed to work, though...
--- 15346523
My IQ is in the 160s. My digit span is 12-14 for forward, backward and reversed, my spatial span is 11 forward and 10 backward. I scored 152 on JCTI, 163 on see30, and many 160+ on IQexams.net. I got a perfect score on the old SAT too.
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>>15346523
Scores from CAIT?
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>>15346568
CAIT v2 scores:
FSIQ: 162
VCI: 146
PRI: 162
CPI: 146
GAI: 160
VSI: 159
I see you know r/cT. CAIT and WAIS are shit, btw.
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>>15346614
Why exactly?
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>>15346630
Fast-paced and unreliable for the high range (130+).
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>>15346523
What job do you have/are looking for?
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>>15346683
I work in logistics as an engineer.
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>>15346700
seems like a waste of potential
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>>15346717
Well, we don't want everyone in engineering to be a midwit. Every field needs its geniuses.
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>>15346614
will you pass on your genes?
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>>15345911
>You do not want to be seen as "the alien" or other and you should devote quite some time to learning to manage people and perception.

Don’t know what your iq is, but you know nothing about life. Hiding yourself aggravates feelings of alienation, feeds cultural anti-intellectualism, and also ensures that you’ll never find other like-minded people. Being yourself and succeeded despite this “handicap” is an incredible reward.
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Confused by all the iq scores being bandied about without context. Aren’t these tests completely unstandardized?
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>>15334398
>and this board certainly will attract smarter people
Nah, this board attracts retards who believe they're smart. Actual smart anons probably browse /out/ or /diy/.
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>>15340151
Unfortunately iq is defined as having a standard deviation as 15. They don’t bother to measure std deviation or skew in distribution for Africans even though we know it’s smaller. IQ is a subpar tool for comparing populations
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>>15346717
What do yo want me to do? It's just a job that I enjoy and pays my bills. Math and physics have already gone too far for their development to be beneficial to society, if that's what you mean. Besides, I don't care about society nor what it expects me to do.
>>15346825
No.
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Got tested two years ago. If I could figure out some way to reliably go to a job every day and do work instead of browsing the internet all day, I could probably have a pretty good life.
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>>15347335
>>Advise anon work out socialization so he isn't alienated
>Hiding yourself
>>Point out you don't want to be othered
>but you know nothing about life
Well, my IQ is apparently far higher than yours as is my knowledge about life. I'm just going to hope, for your sake, you aren't this retarded and are simply trolling.
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>>15347624
Bullshit
If you're 150 you would have solved your problems by now.
At 150 you can do university mathematics and barely sweat
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the bane of my existence is that my iq is unlimited. well not literally unlimited but I'm the smartest person I know at identifying correctly the big picture.

the problem is that that makes me massively lazy; I know we will die a horrible death and we'll get nothing with us; I do the least effort possible.
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>>15347624
I know that feel bro.

>>15347713
Knowing the solution to a problem and putting that solution into practice are two very different things.
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>>15347341
They have different ranges but legit tests have their standard deviation published so they're easy to compare. And they all say that they're an approximation. Online tests are complete dog shit and anyone who takes those scores seriously has already shown themselves to be a midwit or worse.
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>>15347763
>solution vs action
What's causing your inaction
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>>15338234
Kids develop at different rates. A high IQ in childhood simply means you're less retarded than your peers, maybe equivalent to a kid 2-3 years older.

You still plateau out around the average of your parents, give or take the additive random error factor. Same goes for kids who fall behind initially, there are many who were stupid kids but then filled in their genetic potential in adolescence.
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>>15340151
>I don't believe you
It's literally that by definition you stupid fuck. If you scored 130, it means you're smarter than 43 out of 44 people. No more, no less. It's literally just a quirky way to say "2 standard deviations above the mean".
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>>15340430
>confirm that you are an unremarlable midwit, you are more likely to pay for the real test if you mistakenly believe you have >130 IQ.
But scoring 130-145 makes you an unremarkable midwit. Scoring below 130 makes you a mouthbreathing subhuman.
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>>15347809
I doubt he's 130 bases on his post.
You can always tell who the bad liars are. If you're going to bullshit at least get your facts straight.
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>>15347796
Shitposting and video games are more fun than studying.
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>>15347817
When you play vidya how do you rank?
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>>15347833
I don't do any kind of ranked competitive if that's what you mean. I mostly play single player games, or co-op.
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>>15347845
Yeah but do you play on hard.
Are you top 1% at least in the vidya you play?
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I am. If anyone is 200+, it's me.
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>>15347859
I like to play on the hardest difficulty but I doubt I'm in the top 1%.
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>>15347713
After working at a job for a year, even the most simple tasks start to feel terrible and insurmountable. I'm the meme with the guy with scribbles in his head constantly thinking "I just need to go to work"

go to work ==> go to work ==> go to work
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>>15348110
Why not become a millionaire and retire and just concentrate on your hobbies?
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>>15347893
How's the butt worms larper?
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>>15348172
They're a lot better than you're going to end up.
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>>15334379 (OP)
I took an online test and came out 162
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>>15348160
how to do that while not having the executive function to even stay at a normal job for a year is beyond me. I have never had more than $20,000 in my bank account, and I'm almost 40 yrs old.

The kind of thinking where you get up in the morning and partition your day into a bunch of time slots during which you will accomplish tasks, and then go and do those tasks, is beyond me.. I have never been able to follow through on plans I make for myself so I have become averse to even making plans.
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>>15334379 (OP)
112 IQ overall
with 132 verbal intelligence index 
WAIS IV, did a test here from some reputedly accurate self done test
I don't belong here but I find science interesting and the spaceflight general is really cool
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>>15348190
>partition
whenever i hear of someone having a high iq, i find it interesting to look at how they talk. Partition.
>>15347619
why not? thoughts on uncle ted?
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>>15334379 (OP)
IQ is bullshit anyway because you can train and improve your pattern recognition. It's just midwit shit.
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>>15349333
maybe you can improve your score on the iq test, but there is an innate intelligence factor that effects the ability to adapt to new mental situations. Any attempt to test it may be dismissed by saying that it is possible to practice it. This complaint is untrue because the iq test assumes that you have not taken it before
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>>15348190
Ever heard of bitcoin? Last 10 years of shitcoins? I don't know, your IQ seems too high for the basic problems that you are going through. A person in that range should be able to learn just about anything. Plus if you have problems with executive function, you'd seek some intervention during which time you are making the most out of the skills you have learned. If you invested $1000 dollars in any shitcoin in the last 10 yrs you'd have at least $500k at your age and with your IQ very easily.
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>>15349578
>in any shitcoin
>in the last 10 years
No. Only if you happened to invest in any given shitcoin before it went viral, and none of the ones that just went bust.

The vast majority of crypto gamblers have lost money. It was true a decade ago and it remains true today. Just because YOU lucked out doesn't mean your decision was any better than anybody else's without the benefit of hindsight.
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>>15349596
>The vast majority of crypto gamblers have lost money.
In order for some to win, many more have to lose. 
That is the nature of EVERYTHING.
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>>15349596
You are forty so you've been earning money since bitcoin came out. If you heard of bitcoin but missed it, then you heard of litecoin, then doge, then eth, chainlink, etc and I'm assuming you were around when biz got started. Heck the last 3 years would have been heaven for someone who followed any crypto news prior to popularization of defi. You'd have made at least $100k even if you started in 2018 unless you had problems with impulsiveness. For a person in that IQ range, I'd have a hard time believing that you have been feeling bored and demoralized since you were 18 and has made no effort to change your circumstances. Your mind would be effortlessly coming up with potential solutions.
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>>15349640
NTA. You clearly don't understand that there's no solution for "it isn't worth it". You're on the level of thinking intelligence means magic and magical self-editing brain manipulation.
>>15348190
It is entirely possible you have ADHD. >>15347624 The processing speed disparity with your other scores strongly suggest "inattentive" ADHD, rather than any hyperactivity or hyperactive presentation. ADD/inattentive is probably one of the least recognized diagnoses because of how it presents mostly as negative symptoms, such as being unable to self-motivate or being otherwise trapped in "profound boredom" or laziness.
>>15348190
Case in point. You're me without the self-motivation because your brain is broken. Odds are properly dosed stimulants would work like magic on you. Emphasis on "properly dosed", you definitely don't want to overdo it. You want enough such that your processing speed, and self motivation, ergo executive functioning, are equivalent to your overall ability. I've never read a more picture-perfect example of high-IQ inattentive ADHD.
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>>15349640
>What do you mean you can't just magically predict financial markets it's easy look see I do it by hindsight after I already know how it turned out so you must be stupid haha aren't I clever
Do us all a favor and try your bullshit in the stock market until you learn the hard way just how fucking stupid you are. Just remember I told you so. Not because I personally care, but because you're such an arrogant ignorant little shit I know that would make it burn all the worse when you learn the hard way.
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>>15349739
Like I said add has a solution. There's no problem with getting medication for this. His problem seems less to do with boredom and more to do with money. So it feels like he's is afraid of quitting because of no money.
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>>15349789
Lol go complain elsewhere retard. Imagine being butthurt that someone made more money than you when the knowledge to make it has been on biz for 9 years.
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>>15349739
And at his IQ level, he should have already figured this out and tried for a solution.
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>>15347342
No, 4chan is for faggots, it's not like any board seriously attracts any true smart achievers, only smarmy little fuckers. I seldom check for any good threads.
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>>15347624
High IQ are drawn to the NEET lifestyle.
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>>15349808
>Like I said add has a solution.
It is entirely possible I am the first person to even point out the possibility he has ADHD. He may otherwise simply not have the relevant knowledge or interests to have figured that out himself.

You've gone from a hindsight narrative gambler's fallacy to blaming someone for not medicating himself for a condition he may not even know he has.
>>15349824
>And at his IQ level, he should have already figured this out and tried for a solution.
By implication that means you're admitting I'm smarter than the both of you. While trying to argue with me over whether or not your criticisms are valid.

Guess how well that's going for you?
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>>15349885
I made this post >>15349578 before you where I posit a solution for his problem with executive function. And I'm not blaming him, I'm taking his frustration, his age and his IQ range and trying to figure out how such a combination would struggle with anything financial over the last 10 yrs while on 4chan. I'm 30 years old and I already knew that I had an executive function problem at 10. It took me till I was 22 to actually tackle it after all the complaints at school and by my parents about being bright but slow. I figured this out on my own through a frustratingly painful trial and error regime of experimenting on different drugs. I don't even know my IQ, but I'd be willing to bet it's less than what this guy has posted (if that's really his IQ). I've not made any comments about your intelligence. You are actually now doing to me what you accuse me of doing to him. If anything, it's your ignorance about what it feels like to have some executive function disorder and how frustrating it can be that is blinding you to make such a comparison. It feels like an itch that you can never scratch till it finally hits you why it was an itch. The itch never goes away because of how it affects your life, so the inclination to understand it is constant. It's always at the back of your mind. And for a high IQ person, satiating your curiosity becomes a need that has to be met. Going till 40 with that unmet need still lingering in the background for a person in his range is very unrealistic.
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>>15349919
Cool story bro.
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>>15334379 (OP)
I can't use the IQ test because I think in color shifting patterns, they don't have a name for it yet.

I can conceptualize and visual just fine, but I need to associate it with this miasma of shifting colors in my head space first.
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>>15349436
But it doesn't matter whether you've practiced it or not. Someone with a higher IQ, practiced or not, is better at pattern recognition in a sense than someone lower. And no, it's been tested. The innate intelligence factor does not matter because anybody's brain can grow if pushed out of its comfort zone. "The ability to adapt to new mental situations" is a practiced skill like any other. Read about neuroplasticity.
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>>15334398
I'm 141. I consider this board one of the worst on this site.
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>>15349853
Exactly. Normal people are disgusted by NEETdom, because being completely self directed and driven by internal desires for creative achievement without external guidance or pressure is not something they can easily fathom. High IQ people on the other hand are far less in need of external validation, and realize how much you can get away with in these modern times of material abundance by ignoring social norms and actively taking advantage of what is merely there instead of playing 'by the rules'. They understand that they can live a lifestyle, right now, that would make most actual kings jealous.
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>>15349919
> don't even know my IQ, but I'd be willing to bet it's less than what this guy has posted 

We can tell. It is so obvious that you are an actual midwit, the way you are so confident that you were correct for gambling 'rightly' and that you believe happening to be successful in that case validates your strategy in hindsight, it all absolutely demonstrates your midwittery and unearned overconfidence.
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>>15334379 (OP)
Drank my way down to 95, never felt better. WAGMI
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>>15349578
>>15349640
>>15349919

I haven't ever invested any money in anything even though I heard about bitcoin in 2009 when it was still less than a dollar. I suppose I just never really believed I could beat the odds. I knew that losing money in the market would feel awful, and didn't want to be unreasonably obsessed and fearful and always worrying about an investment I didn't really trust myself to make.

>>15349739
>>15349808
>>15349885

It was in the process of getting evaluated for ADHD that I took the IQ test. I was diagnosed for all the reasons you mentioned, and I have been taking Adderall for the past couple years. 

It has helped me focus, but hasn't helped me be able to get out of my car and go into work - and once sitting at my desk, to be able to open up outlook or word or excel and just do the work. The drug makes it easier to binge Wikipedia or Reddit or Twitter for hours without getting distracted as much... it makes me happy and satisfied and removes some of the motivating power of the knowledge that I am not doing what I should be doing. Also, it affects my judgement: the "wrong" decision doesn't feel as bad compared to the "right" decision as it usually does. This makes negotiating technical stuff and social stuff difficult, with tedious revisioning and rethinking until I'm sure I am on the right course.

As far as I can tell, for me Adderall makes it not so terrible to be in a negative hedonic space. I can see how that would help some people get work done, as being productive involves being able to dip into that negative space throughout the work day. However, it also makes the gradient between the negative and positive hedonic space not so steep, an effect which actually decreases my motivation to take common sense actions which might result in my feeling better, and skews my thinking in ways that are hard to notice.

Maybe there are other drugs which would work better for me.
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>>15350713
I'm confident because I suffered for the knowledge. It seems like you are butthurt about that and calling me a midwit is somehow supposed to hurt me? Find a better hobby anon, or better yet try dedicating time to understand yourself, it will hurt less than seething at the success of online strangers.
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>>15350721
Is there a reason why you earn so little? Did you go to university? Got any technical skills? Never bothered to learn? It seems to me like you have a fear of risk.
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>>15350738
I got a BA in Music in 2007, taught high school math at a very small private school for a couple years, then worked at an antiques mall. Then, went back to school funded by my grandfather and got a BS in ME/Mechatronics in 2015. For the two years I was finishing up my degree I was able to work hard, and ended up graduating tied for top of my class (at a state university).

I made $55k in 2016 at my first engineering job, and gradually became less and less functional there until I lost my job in 2021. I did do some good work in my first year which got me a raise to $80k. It was fall 2020 when I really stopped coming in at all to that job, at which point I stopped taking a salary (Although working salary, in engineering companies you still have to say which jobs you spent your hours on and I couldn't charge hours to jobs I wasn't working on, so I told them to pay me short in proportion to the days I worked.)

I got my current job fall 2021 for a salary of 90k after being diagnosed with ADHD. It was last December that I fully disconnected and stopped being able to do real work. I haven't been entirely absent for the last four months, but I have been extremely spotty in attendance and have done hardly any work. Again, I am only asking for pay for the days I come in and do work, which is less than half of the time. I expect to be fired soon, and have no idea what I'll do for healthcare etc. after that - I have only a couple thousand dollars in the bank.
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>>15350748
It's hard to tell what motivates you. Does the idea of having no money scare you? Or is it that you have to deal with people in a boring environment. Going by what you have written so far, it seems like you are genuinely worried about having no job despite not being motivated by it, so maybe the medication isn't working for you. What happened to your psychiatrist, have you relayed these concerns to them?
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>>15350748
Did you try for graduate school? Neetbuxing? It seems like you have the ability to pursue your interests but get bogged down by some boredom factor that you can't seem to pin down. Have you tried quitting social media, diet changes? Living in the woods with minimal contact. Moved out of the country? If I were you I'd find a way to keep that job for another year and use the money to tryout all the things I've listed. That's basically how I did it. I tried out all the ideas that kept popping up in my head till something worked. You have to be comfortable with risk and failure. Or you could just wait till you hit rock bottom and see how creative you get, but that's something that I'd recommend to a younger person.
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>>15340151
Retard
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>>15350721
That is interesting. As you've guessed you probably want to experiment with some other drugs. It is entirely possible as well that maybe the stimulant class of ADHD treatment isn't the right treatment for you either. There are many nonstimulant drugs used as well if trying different stimulants does not work for you.
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>>15351557
>>15350721
Worth mentioning as well, now that I think about it, that to me you seem to be reporting a difference in levels of anxiety more than anything else. Being able to relax would change your thinking, of course, and I've seen more than one person think that being able to function in a more normal sense is "removing their edge".

The thing about high IQ in particular is you've got to be cautious of cognitive justification traps. It's a lot easier to justify things, especially situations one becomes habituated to, and a lot harder for anyone else to convince you otherwise. I would guess that there are other reasons, entirely, for the lack of motivation other than the ADHD and something more a therapist would be better to deal with than drugs in that case.

Contingent upon, of course, my series of assumptions being correct. Given there's little detail to go on that is a "big if", you understand. Even so the notion needs placing because you may need to consider such perspectives, and generate more of these better suited to your specific case. Otherwise you'll be chasing the wrong solution when the drug is actually working fine. Notwithstanding for people who have reported similar issues where adderall is not helping the motivation, people have reported doing better on concerta or similar nonstimulants. No way to know which hypothesis is the more correct without experimentation, and possibly a therapist, perhaps even one specializing in the unique problems people at the top end of IQ like us experience. If your ADHD has not inhibited your perspective taking you should know what I mean.
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>>15334379 (OP)
got mine measured by Mensa to 135+, test didn't go higher and I scored 40/40
I'm talking about a real test at their locale, not the public online tests
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>>15351658
Was it a timed ravens matrix test?
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>>15351677
yep, exactly right
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>>15334611
Mine is on a number a normie like you cannot comprehend
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How "smooth" is IQ relative to how you experience living? I find it pretty hard to believe that my internal experience as a 140cel is as different from an average person as that of a 60chad. I aspire to somehow ascend to 200, where I'll become human 2.0, as different from a normie as a normie is to a rock.
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>>15350846
At work right now sitting at my desk.

I haven't seriously tried eliminating Internet use, moving somewhere else, living in a cabin in the woods, starting a mediation habit, starting a regular exercise habit, investigating my state through psychedelics, or going to church.. although I spend a lot of time imagining what I might be able to do and I've made some temporary stabs in a few of those directions. I have sought help from a hypnotherapist and from a counselor specializing in cognitive behavioral therapy. There have been lasting emotional benefits from therapy but not behavioral ones (aside from temporarily in the few days after a season) as far as I can see. Historically, I haven't stuck to a plan I've made to make changes in my habits for longer than 3 or 4 days.
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>>15351595
I've also considered that what's going on is a problem that could be addressed through therapy rather than through stimulants. I don't know how to find a therapist who will pick apart the actual issue and confront me on the justifications/stories I've developed around it, rather than just applying the tenets of their particular specialty. You're right that it also could be addressed through other drugs - modafinil? Ritalin? Intuniv? My neuropsychologist who diagnosed my ADHD isn't my prescribing doctor - that's my GP who isn't a specialist and has voiced the opinion to me that he thinks all ADHD drugs work approximately the same.

Anyway, it's hard to do anything about it when employed because I spend all day in a haze trying to be productive, or not letting myself do anything constructive or even have any fun while I'm not working, and the evenings decompressing from the day's consternation. And when unemployed I don't come into constant contact with my limitations and so feel good enough that my issues aren't easily accessible enough to know how well therapy is working.

I know I'm talking and thinking in circles and not making progress. The mode of thought that causes my problems also keeps me loopy enough to not take consistent steps to fix them.
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>>15350846
>>15351595

Thanks also for listening to me and spending a few minutes of your day frankly talking about my shit, I hardly ever am able to have these conversations with people irl because of their emotional investment in my life. And not brave enough to reveal total dysfunction in public social media.

I know I am shitting up this thread but it feels less terrible to shit up a board that's already pretty shitty, and good to get advice from people who have some idea what I am talking about.
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>>15352229
I'd suggest to find a way to start experimenting with them while you are still employed and feeling the pressure. If you settle for your comfort zone you might never solve this problem. Plus the nice thing about this is that at your IQ, you'll notice the changes very fast. If telling the doctor that you think you might lose your job isn't enough to jolt him into action, I believe you can try for the black market. And it's essential that you at least try so that in the future, you don't suffer from regrets.
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>>15352229
>>15352251
Honestly my friend it is entirely possible to have depression on top of ADHD. You seem to have a kind of anxiety feedback loop paralyzing you and, yeah, you really could use a therapist. You're trapped in the adaptive behavior you developed, or so would seem to me, working around your ADHD or other problems.

Without a therapist and professionals to help you figure that out it's impossible to know if it's made worse or not with adderall. My GUESS would be that adderall or medication isn't your problem anymore. You just habituated so strongly due to such a late life diagnosis you really need help disentangling it. Your current problems certainly won't help you relax of course. Kinda worried about you feeling so trapped in any event.

Really the more you can contemplate and let yourself relax and view things more broadly, I think, the less you'll keep this problem. Kind of reads like you do have strong anxiety-driven patterns of behavior but that can only be a superficial observation because, well, internet. Please try to get some help with it and figure out what's really going on.
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>>15334379 (OP)
Just barely, I think it was 137. Doesn't mean shit though. Might mean I learn things a little faster.
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>>15334901
>self discipline is the gift of sub 80 IQs

No, it's a skill. You're just fucking lazy. School was easy and you learnt to wing it. Now you can't discipline yourself and you fetishise your IQ as a coping mechanism.
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incel circlejerk itt
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>>15334479
>then they leave after seeing the 12th thread on 0.999...
Fucking kek!
--- 15355112
WAIS was 130, only real IQ test I've taken
I do not consider one's ability to arrange children's blocks to be an accurate measure of intellectual capacity. IQ tests are garbage.
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>>15334398
Stop lying, most of you guys are Pajeets.
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>arrogance, egoism and pride
Why are /sci/entists like that?
--- 15358825
Do any of you have leaked wais or other pro tests, I want to test someone...
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>>15335031
Could you (or any high iq anons) give an example conversation of you explaining a concept to a midwit and an example conversation of you explaining the same concept to another high iq person
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>>15359771
>Could you (or any high iq anons) give an example conversation of you explaining a concept to a midwit and an example conversation of you explaining the same concept to another high iq person
I don't mentally frame or treat people in derogatory ways like that, calling people "midwits", as if value is solely dependent on some individual personal metric I feel I'm "superior" in. It's more about being socially pragmatic. You don't want to come off like a jackass, and that does involve figuring out how receptive somebody is to more complicated ideas. Not just in general, but also situationally. Fuck that up badly enough and the "receiver" IQ is irrelevant because you're being a jackass whether you know it or not.

In the neutral case, assuming a person has no relevant experience, in general a persons ability determines how many abstractions and how much jargon can be used with minimal additional definition. The better one is at this the more brief explanations can be.

A practical example conversation, for an average person, might be trying to explain something about logic. The higher someone's SD from the norm the more likely the implications of some abstraction, like modus tollens, is to be understood. i.e. "if P, then Q. Not Q. Therefore, not P". No further examples or definitions may be necessary for correct understanding and application, though without rigor mistakes can still of course be made.

For your average person in the neutral case, they may need several concrete examples or visual diagrams to better understand how generalizable the concept actually is and its limitations. It requires more training and leading examples to get "the big picture". In such a conversation, or if I were teaching a class, I would endeavor to use many disparate examples to hammer home how generalizable it is. The same goes for then demonstrating, by concrete example or visual example, where it would go wrong.

In summary I just use more diagrams and examples.