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Hold still edition

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We discuss research, DO NOT offer advice (just fucking go see your doctor), make fun of premeds and shitpost.
Keep vaccination/clamping/vitamin K/soliciting advice out of this thread and start your own because it takes a lot of space.
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>>15347277 (OP)
First for fuck AI doomposters. 
You have to be legit retarded to think that Doctors will get replaced any time soon
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>Keep vaccination/clamping/vitamin K/soliciting advice out of this thread and start your own because it takes a lot of space.
how come the medical community is so dead set on willfully ignoring it's worst problems? no desire to improve at all? 
whats the latest research on the ever increasing amount of avoidable deaths and injuries inflicted on patients by incompetent physicians? does the fact that this problem has been on the rise for the past quarter century suggest that physicians have been becoming increasingly greedy & amoral or does it show that their iq has been getting lower?
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Why don't we have this shit? The west is really missing out on some long-term IQ boosters.
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>>15347277 (OP)
>have to give and receive periocular injections soon
wake me up.
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>>15347284
>First for fuck AI doomposters.
literally just finished my shift and left a room full of ED doctors talking about how we're all getting replaced by AI lol
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>>15347437
Yeah but we ain't
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>>15347825
That's it boys, we've declared AI done.
OpenAI just saw this comment and decided not to release GPT-6 after all.
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>>15347437
so what? every midwit thinks le "AI" is going to take over, why not doctors?
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Got lucky with one MD professor at my uni who knows internal medicine like the back of his hand. All I want is to get into an internal medicine/infectious disease fellowship.
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what do you guys use for your notes and studying? what is your notes+studying setup?
I only use word to write and read notes but i am looking to upgrade to something better
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>>15347898
Cause we ain't midwits.
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>>15348242
Of course
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>>15348245
Thanks for noticing.
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Medbros, does taking antipsychotics will make my brain smaller and dumber?
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>>15348020
a sketchbook so I can doodle shit on them while taking notes
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>>15347277 (OP)
Caught a show on TV last night where they do plastic surgery on people while they're awake.
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>>15348563
EZ with an epidural. Face procedures would be more difficult and may come up with the risk of nerve injury so general anesthesia is best.
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>>15348491
You should avoid antipsychotics unless absolutely necessary for something like schizophrenia with harm command hallucinations. There are better mood stabilizers in bipolar and the benefits are probably not worth the risks in MDD.
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>>15348643
With that sort of thinking, we won't be able to prescribe antipsychotics for sleep anymore. Just take more if you're still not sleeping enough.
Wokeness has gone too far
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>>15347277 (OP)
The TMDSAS data for this cycle shows the average Texas matriculate has a 3.89 GPA and a 513 MCAT (90th percentile). It's getting rough out there. A lot of current doctors would never have been accepted under these standards.
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To the anon yesterday who helped me, i stopped being a pussy and called intox line.
They told me laundry powder isnt that toxic and that if I drank enough water to piss a lot I got it out of my system, stomach feels like shit though, what to do now? Considering half a spoon was ingested they first asked me if I was talking about a cup or half a cup, am I.
Given my stomach feels odd, am i going to die or suffer organ damage?
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>>15347291
>dopamine receptor antagonist
>IQ booster
Pick ONE (1). Outside of cholinergic and GLU enhancement, the only possibility this will enhance IQ is if it antagonizes only the autoreceptors which increases dopamine.
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>>15348675
No, you're not going to die. At this point two different anons plus poison control have told you you'll be fine.
You will, in fact, be fine. Stop eating detergent in the future.
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>>15348711
I feel gassy and sharp pangs on sides and stomach though, I waited say an hour before drinking water once i realized
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>>15348713
That's the finding out phase that comes after fucking around.
Hopefully you learn from that.
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>>15348713
Ever tried being less of a retard?
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>>15348725
>>15348717
Is this anon right though? >>>/vg/425850489
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>>15348732
The cells lining the inside your mouth and throat get completely replaced on a roughly weekly basis.
Yeah you might have killed a bunch of cells early. Maybe you'll get cancer at 81 and 11 months instead of 82.
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>>15348745
But the sharp pain, are those my insides melting? Feel it up to my chest and lungs
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>>15348803
Definitely your lungs melting. Maybe your central nervous system, also.
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>>15347284
>>15347437
With AI coming, is it too late to go into medicine if I won't be able to start med school for another 2-3 years? I wanted to go into surgery/ophthalmology, but I could see these more physical fields becoming extremely competitive if IM/EM/GM/derm/radiology/pathology all become displaced by AI. I could even see a lot of other nonsurgical specialties getting displaced too if both AI and mid-level scope creep are considered.
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>>15349010
If you are this retarded, don't bother getting into it
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>>15349010
yep, it's too late for you. I suggest being a full-time imageboard janitor
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>>15349010
As a person in tech who follows AI very closely, I think things are going to move slower in medicine because of all the regulations, and people not tolerating any mistakes.

The way it works today is that people do their work, and sometimes they ask GPT a question either to bounce some ideas off, or to answer a small thing.

The goal for the next couple years is to flip that around.
In a few years, we want people to collaborate with the bot to come up with a plan, then have the bot start doing 80% of the steps (all the tedious, boring, or easy to automate parts), and only consult the human when it's stuck on a small well-defined substep of the plan.
So instead of you doing the work, and asking questions here and there, the bot will do the majority of the work at high speed while you watch, and it'll and ask you to intervene here and there to solve the small things it doesn't know how to do yet.

Given that the current #1 trending code project is a hastily made first draft attempt to do just that (AutoGPT), at the current rate of progress we should have an actual working version less than 5 years from now. If it takes a full 10 years, that would be a surprise.

But all in all, you're probably pretty safe in the medical field, compared to other people. It's possible we'll have the first fully autonomous bots way before regulators approve of bots making medical decisions.
The fun part starts when the bot becomes able to earn money doing freelancer work on its own. Then it can start shell companies as one of the sub-steps of its plan, employ real people to build things in the real world. Then focus on growth, make your first million, fill in the blanks for what happens next.

That might happen before AIs take your job, in which case there's nothing to worry about, since the world will be too different for your career choice to matter a single bit.
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>>15348020
the lecture pdfs/ppts+microsoft notepad.
if they make me draw pretty pictures of nerve pathways, then i use microsoft paint.
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>>15347277 (OP)
I am 'bout to drink raw milk Kefir for my gut issues after the second ferment. Hope I won't catch GBS and die of meningitis, wish me luck.
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God it must suck being a pediatric gynecologist. Everyone must think you're a pedo.
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>>15349481
That spec don't exist afaik. Pediatric population doen't have gynecological issues. 
And if they are sexually active then they are treated by a regular gyno.
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>>15349530
Anon, I think you might have just crushed his ambitions there. Very inconsiderate.
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I coughed a few days ago and decided to spit and I saw a bit of blood in my spit
Three days later I'm in the shower and I decide to spit and there's blood in my spit but I didn't cough
I had just eaten a lot of watermelon before each time and so I think the blood was just watermelon in my saliva, I have very thick saliva for some reason
Is this kind of thing common? People panicking about symptoms but it's actually pretty innocuous?
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>>15349802
You are fucked bro.
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>>15349071
My question wasn't necessarily about AI outright replacing doctors, since as you mention it's a regulatory nightmare and a complex, multisensory diagnosis process for most specialties. Plus I imagine most patients would appreciate the physical interaction with a doctor and prefer having a highly educated human and AI working together on their case.

My main concern is how AI might make human doctors (or PAs/NPs) significantly more efficient at their jobs to the point where fewer doctors would need to be hired in many specialties. Thinking about it a bit more though, it seems like this may not be the case. AI would certainly make human doctors *better* (e.g. by providing relevant info about a recent medical discovery or detecting a very subtle pattern), but since each doctor would still need to carefully evaluate and take accountability for any AI diagnosis/decision, it's hard to see AI actually cutting down on diagnostic time. 

The one exception would be charting. It does seem like EHRs have already had a big impact here, and while AI would further speed up the process it doesn't seem like it'll be enough to displace jobs. If anything it would just make being a physician more enjoyable.

I still wish there was a way I could speed up the process since I already have a degree and would rather not take chances, but alas completing the prereqs in 2-3 years seems like the best I can do.
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Why is caffeine so tasty?
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>>15348658
I'm Asian and I still got into a Texas medical school. Work harder.
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>>15350013
I'm a huwhite man and got in too, how difficult is it going to be in 5 more years?
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>>15347289
>does the fact that this problem has been on the rise for the past quarter century suggest that physicians have been becoming increasingly greedy & amoral or does it show that their iq has been getting lower?
both
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>>15350209
>I'm a huwhite man and got in too
Hope to see you this fall, bro. 
>how difficult is it going to be in 5 more years?
Well, if I wasn't a KHV, my kids probably wouldn't be able to make it.
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>>15350284
Oh shit, you asked for 5 years. I don't think I would have been accepted into a Texas MD school. Would probably have to go to a Texas DO or out-of-state MD.
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>>15350284
>Hope to see you this fall, bro.
You too brudda
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>doctors recommend chiropractic and herbal medication
Is this normal?
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What physical or mental illness if any can cause pleasure in the body? Usually topically in momentary impulses/twitches.
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>>15348020
i simply use other peoples notes
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anons I'm studying anatomy(neuro and abdominopelvic cavity) and biochemistry(review of metabolic biochemistry and sistematic biochemistry so organs) and I study right after the lectures what we did that day, everyday. The weekend I try to review and repeat something I studied during the week. Is this a good way of studying? I'm in my 2nd year and the first year I studied evrything right before the exams, got good grades but I remember very little
I study only from the profs notes because here this is what you need to pass the exam and get even the maximum grade but I'm worried about that not being sufficient. I'm autistic and I can study how much I want without feeling tired but also dont want to waste my time studying useless things
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>>15348658
Go DO if you live in TX and have a shit GPA.
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>>15351353
What is considered a shit GPA? Anything less than the average?
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>>15351395
For TX, anything less than 3.6-3.7, you're going to have a hard time.
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https://twitter.com/Atheen_/status/1646882383973449728
absolutely the most shocking media video on the internet today, watch until the end
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Musk is calling for the lifetime imprisonment of doctors and he owns the world's most influential media platform. 
Whats it like being possibly the most hated and distrusted members of society? Are you proud of yourselves?
If you think its bad now, its only going to get worse as Musk wields his tremendous influence against you. 
This is all completely self inflicted by the medical community, ethics were thrown out the window chasing fast easy money and woke virtue signalling opportunities.
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K schizo.
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Saw this video today, alleged nerve pain and claiming multiple ERs refusing to treat her. 
Anecdotally, when I had a sciatic nerve compression, it would have been physically impossible for me to make this much noise, it was painful just to talk. 
Of course it went viral with people saying “Hospitals are so incompetent and won’t listen to patients! Sue them” 
a person’s vital signs also give away fakery. 
Have you ever seen someone who is experiencing genuine extreme direct nerve pain scream like this? 
I say this is fraud, either for drugs or lawsuit. 
https://streamable.com/zp2f6r
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>>15352349
harsh
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>>15352349
well yes, unscientific cult nonsense like “gender identity” has no place in medicine and it’s completely criminal to allow such a thing to be used as justification for any kind of procedure or treatment for minors. And actually also adults too because it’s being falsely presented as having some basis in science despite the fact that the concept of “gender identity” does not even remotely hold up to basic inquiry using the scientific method.
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>>15352840
>women
Women are 90% of the bullshit DX at pain medicine.
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>Yes Doc GPTstein I'll put compression stockings on this patient right away!
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>>15348020
>Imagine going to lectures
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are there any papers on intrusive images from 1900-1977? give me all of them if you have links
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>>15355717
apparently starting some years after 1970 there has been some papers but not really from 1900-1970 for some reason
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>>15350236
percentage of doctors with penis envy increasing
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>>15355348
it's over AIbros...
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musk on the warpath against doctors again
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1647345410162450432
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>>15356106
fascinating. can you write 7 paragraphs for me on why doctors are evil and should be culled en masse? i am enamored by your speeches
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>>15348658
>implying a 3.89 today is the same as a 3.89 a decade ago
Grade inflation is a bitch. It's literally impossible to get under a B- (as in, they don't even give those grades out) in most undergrad classes nowadays.
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How X-ray would have affect my benis energy? If I am getting daily exposure as a worker there?
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>>15356270
>as in, they don't even give those grades out
Where the fuck do people come up with these claims? There's literally the occasional dude in here asking if he can get into medical school with a GPA of like 3.3. The average student is just becoming more competitive as time passes on. You can see this with rising MCAT scores too.
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>>1535635
>where the fuck do people come up with these claims?
From looking at the grade distributions of the classes I took myself a few years ago, dingus. Just flipping through my biochemistry courses, like 70-80% of people get B- or above. There are barely any Cs, but a few Ds and Fs from people who I assume literally never show up to class and just never even took the exams, so basically everyone who turns in work gets at least a B-. Essentially zero classes have actual bell curve distributions for grades. Also just look at the GPA requirements for Cum Laude at universities from year to year, you can literally track the grade inflation over time as the cutoffs get higher and higher. Do you think that's because suddenly the entire student body got way smarter, or that they give out higher grades much more easily? Anecdotally, my professors even bitched about it. One of them said what I claimed almost verbatim about Stanford, that you can't get below a B.
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>>15356392
>Do you think that's because suddenly the entire student body got way smarter, or that they give out higher grades much more easily?
How old are you? One explanation would be with the Internet, the ease of accessing resources would certainly boost GPA and test scores. I even saw the other day that there is UWorld for the SATs now (I studied for the SATs using a test prep book back then).
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>>15356416
How old are you? What are these alleged internet resources that are so vastly different from 2016 to now, roughly seven years? The cutoff for my alma mater for Cum Laude (so top 20% of the class) went from 3.6 to 3.8 in that time period. It's also a widely attested phenomenon that you can Google and find articles about, especially at the Ivy Lagues, I don't know why you're pushing back against it.
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Hey can more of ya'll donate stories to the /fph/ threads on /fit/?

We'd all appreciate it.
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>>15356702
gen surg seems fun
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>>15356270
That's interesting. Most of my basic bio and chem classes have averages of 60% on exams, but I assume that'll go up in more advanced courses when all the "haven't decided" kids try something else
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>>15356270
>grade inflation
is there a bigger cope?
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>>15356702
more medical greentexts please
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>>15353539
yeah, but doctors can get money from the government for doing the procedures and the drug companies get paid too, so the scam will continue on forever.
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>>15350940
What even could cause such a symptom? If it doesn't exist as a known symptom it just doesn't make any sense.
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I hear voices in my head that compliment me and tell me to do weird stuff. I've heard one of the voices order me to kill twice and when she speaks I have a feeling in my body of complement, like I have to do as she says. Do any of you know the biochemical reasons why I hear voices in my head? They are intrusive, I'm not actively thinking about it, it just happens. What is psychiatrist current understanding or theory regarding hearing voices?
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>>15357809
sounds more worrisome and scary than weird

I myself interested in intrusiveness in general
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I've been hearing conflicting things about away rotations/auditions for family. If you're a U.S.A. M.D. student trying to match to family med because you're selecting the location for non-career reasons (ie your hometown or couples match) is it in your best interest to do one, or do you only risk making a bad impression because the odds are already stacked in your favor?
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>>15348020
Brother if you're in the US and studying for step exams, anki and uworld are all you need. Pen and paper for the occasional note when you're away from the computer. Pretty much everything else is gonna be too time consooming
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>>15356732
I would legit be interested in applying to gen surg expect for all these stories highlighting what a shit lifestyle it is
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>>15358214
Oh yeah I mean the hours and the call seem terrible. But actually draining a perianal abscess seems kinda fun
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>>15357809
Several explanations have been proposed to explain self-recognition failures in schizophrenia and auditory hallucinations (see15 for an overview). One theory posits a dysfunction of the feed-forward model system, whose role consists in predicting the sensory consequences of one’s intended actions and inner speech.16–18 A dysfunction in this system is thought to result in incorrect sensorimotor predictions, and an ensuing failure to recognize self-generated thoughts and actions. 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3406529/
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>>15357809
But seriously there's one voice that's female and she is robotic. She orders me to do things and she issues the orders without any emotion. "I want you to kill BLANK or your mother will be raped and killed".

Every time she speaks, that voice only I feel compelled, like I have to do as she says. I fell it in my body, I don't understand it. The other voices are nice and tell me that I'm a good person, that I should have hope and not give up.

I hear musical instruments played sometimes and a demonic sounding voice screaming swear words.

I'm not making this shit up, why the fuck does this happen?
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>>15358381
They are loud thoughts, like I hear them in my head. It's hard to explain it. It's like someone narrating? 

The voices don't bother me, sometimes I "jump" when I hear a loud random screaming swear word but other than that they don't bother me. They don't respond to me when I talk to them.
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>>15358393
If you’re really experiencing harm command hallucinations you should probably seek help from a mental health professional. How long has this been going on?
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>>15358418
Oh I am and I'm taking Risperidone. But I just wanted understanding of why this is happening. I'm not actively thinking about these things, I don't want to kill anyone, I'm not like that at all. I'm not suicidal (I love life) and I don't hate anyone. I just don't understand why I'm being told to "I want you to kill all niggers" and yes that's her words not mine. No I don't have a deep rooted suppressed racist trait in me, I just take people as they are and don't judge. 

I get feelings of comfort from the other voices that say nice things. It's really weird.
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>>15358434
It's been happening since I was young. 

I hear dead relatives talking as well sometimes which is comforting, I don't fear that or dislike that. and it doesn't stress me out.
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>>15358434
Are you currently in any form of talk therapy? This might be helpful for working through the psychological meaning of your experiences. There are also peer support groups for people with psychotic disorders (kind of like AA). A prominent one is the hearing voices network.
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>>15347284
>>15347437
>>15349010
You will still make a bunch of money doing something because the medical industry is such a fucking racket with such high bar to entry and total regulatory and corporate capture that it will always go on.
You HAVE to be very highly paid or people won't listen to you.
t. wife is a neurologist and read all contracts and listen to the stories all day
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>>15349071
>we want people to collaborate with the bot to come up with a plan, then have the bot start doing 80% of the steps
You are literally, as in actually literally, destroying people and creating hell on earth.

Now if that is your goal, and I know it is to some of your type, you will fail but good luck to you.
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>>15358440
I was diagnosed with Major Depressive Disorder with Psychotic features.

I won't lie to you, when I'm in a bad state I really struggle to interpret which version of reality is real. One reality is where I currently am and everything is as it is. The other is that everything is a construct, that I'm dead and I'm in hell, my soul is missing and I'm stuck here, I can't die, I've died multiple times but I just come back, I get taunted with images of my death over and over. That is a really hard thing to battle. My brain can tilt either way depending on how stressed I am or what events are happening. 

Thank you for the hearing voices network I didn't know about that. I will engage with them, I'm considering going on a depot of risperidone to keep others happy, but the depot removes control from me. Currently I'm in control and I take the pills but with the depot that changes. It's a tough one to battle with.
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>>15356416
>the internet boosts grade scores
lmao
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>>15358455
Interesting. Who recommended the depot? Your family or your doctor? There is some evidence from cohort studies in Finland that long acting injectables reduce mortality to a greater degree than oral agents in patients with schizophrenia. Whether this is applicable to your case I have no idea. But ultimately it should be your decision.
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>>15358508
I've had the depot before but it doesn't work like it says it does. The drug peaks at random times, I could be walking along the street then suddenly feel intense fatigue. 

That's what put me off being on the depot, the peaks and valleys of the drug.
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>>15358593
Hm. Yeah if you've already had a bad experience with injectables and you take oral meds consistently idk what the point of going back on injectables would be
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>>15358455
you sure do seem to like talking about yourself on social media.
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>>15348559
>>15349120
>>15350987
>>15358197
tbqh i expected all med students to be like that fag tryhard ali abdaal with all the productivity maximizing gimmicks.
gives me slightly more hope knowing that not all medfags are retards tryharding their way into something beyond their cognitive abilities
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>>15356702
>amongst healthcare proffessionals
nursoids really can't help it
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>>15359099
resentment of nursoids is a sign of insecurity
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>>15359117
*human nature
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>>15351000
You'll forget a majority of the details and a lot of the foundational subjects barely factor into a majority of clinical work. Whatever spec you'll end up in will usually require you to study a broader catalog of information than what you'll learn in medschool. It's not a bad idea to be thorough, but you cannot possibly know all that is to know in medicine, so focus on the subjects you're interested in and possibly want to get into later and divide the rest into exam filler and stuff you should actually memorize to not fuck up a patients treatment.
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>>15359117
>I AM A PROFESSIONAL
Save that kind of talk for your disappointed parents nursoid, no need to huff your own shit on an imageboard
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>>15359231
I'm a medical student
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>>15348020
Lecturio medical, anki, and an iPad + physical text books if they're not over $100
--- 15360113
Medicine anons, I think that my penis is dying. I don't want to have to ask redditors about this, they're too faggy. On the underside of my penis, at that midline ridge that comes up from the testicles to the head, it has darkened a lot to the point that it looks badly bruised or dead. It's just a dark line at first, extending upwards from the balls, but then at the base of the penis it expands outwards to form a sort of quarter-sized arrow-shaped shape, still really darkened, and then it narrows back out to a dark line again and continues up the shaft until it terminates under the head. There's no pain and it has been like this for about four months. Am I dying? Is my penis dying? I'm scared bros
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>>15360113
stop jerking off
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>>15360167
I've only been jerking off once a month for the past two years, and I haven't jerked off at all since the occurance of the darkening out of fear that I'd make it worse.
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>>15360241
start jerking off?
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>>15360241
NoFap destroys and claims another. KEK!