sci/15350716.txt

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The reason /sci/ is a psued board full of hacks is because the people here don't know how to investigate anything from first principles. The scientism cult doesn't allow you to question the basic tenets of the cults dogma/gospels. It is why the idiots here can never come up with the correct answer, their givens and assumptions are always incorrect and they attack anyone that points this out and dared to question their high priest (a 100 level (((textbook)))). A lot of the seething retards probably do have actual autism and not having a base you can declare as the absolute unquestionable truth to draw all other conclusions is probably why they have spastic meltdowns. They can't allow anyone else to displace their bible and priests because everything they think they know crumbles of that happens and they cant deal with that
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I give this bait post a D. I was leaning towards a D+, however you invoked jews which lost you a point for lack of creativity. I would suggest studying some shit posts and bait posts before the end of semester otherwise you may fall behind
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>from first principles
Meaningless soi buzzword. You cannot name any of these alleged "first principles". They're nothing more than an ancient meme.
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>>15350874
Is this a "pretending to be retarded" meme post or are you really this stupid?
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>>15350716 (OP)
Go on, say something smart, then.
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>>15350716 (OP)
t. chopra cult drone
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>>15350716 (OP)
>is because the people here don't know how to investigate anything from first principles. T
I do. Some people here still abide by the scientific method
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>>15350874
>You cannot name any of these alleged "first principles".
The first principle is to cite authority. The second principle is that your direct experience ranks below the first principle. Authority says the distance to the moon is X. So you calculate with X when asked. You never verify X for yourself. If you do and arrive at a different answer, you're wrong because you're inferior to authority. The third principle is authority wants the best for you. Hospitals serve the cheapest sources of carbs and fat with as little protein as possible because that's the healthiest way to recover.
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>>15350716 (OP)
Ah yes, classic schizo narrative. You are really a "free thinker" and an "intellectual", and you've got everything all figured out. The scientists and all wrong, and they're either all in on it, or they're just not as smart as a "free thinker" like yourself. 

Conspiracy schizos always construct the same narrative in their heads. They are persecuted. They are right. They are heroes. Society is wrong. Society is evil. And everyone else is in on it.

Take your fucking meds, and go back to your containment board. You're a mentally unstable right wing incel loser, not the troubled and independent intellectual being targeted by society, like you make yourself out to be.
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>>15351073
>Despite various publications of results where hand-washing reduced mortality to below 1%, Semmelweis's observations conflicted with the established scientific and medical opinions of the time and his ideas were rejected by the medical community. He could offer no theoretical explanation for his findings of reduced mortality due to hand-washing, and some doctors were offended at the suggestion that they should wash their hands and mocked him for it. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignaz_Semmelweis
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>gets thoroughly humiliated by /sci/
>makes this in seething rage only to get humiliated again
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>>15351073
"Schizo" is a right-wing insult. You are maybe a cunthair to the left of OP.
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>>15350881
>can't name a "first principle"
Thanks for confirming my point.
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>>15351073
>>15351112
projecting troon schizo
many such cases
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>>15351091
You neglect to mention that doctors accepted him as correct when a model was proposed.
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>>15351113
Did you have a stroke while typing this post?
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>>15351332
>You neglect to mention
How many people died unnecessarily in the meantime.
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>>15350867
that isnt being very charitable, it is very truthful and that alone sets it at least a B as far as troll posting goes. Most troll posting starts with a strawman premise whereas this is 100% factual
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>>15351344
You are wasting your time. You have to understand how the mind of the NPC works. They are always right because they are citing the "authority" not any facts they can ultimately post too. This is the entire point of OP. He is always right until the book/person he views as the authority changes. Then he will be always be right for citing that too. These "people" are incapable of thinking for themselves all they are incapable of is memorizing and regurgitating memes and the funniest part is they think it makes them smart, to be able memorize and regurgitate memes because their monkey trainers trained them that way
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>>15351349
Shut up schizo
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>>15351344
Who fucking cares? If you want to count bodies, how many people die due to homeopathic medicines and in the past due to leeches and other religious rituals? If you want to go down that path I demand you reject religion due to how many lives it ended with its unscientific spiritual healing bs.
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>>15351380
>seething schizo is seething
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>>15350716 (OP)
90% scientists is just human-form of wikipedia, waste of everyones time
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>>15351073
maybe i would get your post serious, but then i look at covid-19 and i know who's right again, sorry
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>>15351381
That's black/white thinking. The science of football says that bicycle kicks are high risk/low reward. We would be robbed of amazing goals if every player would follow that science all the time.
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>>15351392
You're literally hallucinating, schizo
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>>15351405
scoop a nice, fat pile of shit out of your ass and take a massive huge bite and swallow it down shit eating schizo
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The reason why /sci/ is "filled with pseuds" is because the people who know what they're talking about are at their jobs, and the majority of posters are either shitposting or desperately trying to own zone strawman they've constructed. 
The rest are people who have desperately clung to being the biggest brain in a small pond as their only source of superiority, and are trying to maintain that delusion with IQ scores. If you stick around long enough you'll be able to spot an anon who actually knows their shit.
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>>15351341
No. Are you capable of forming an original thought, or is it cliches all the way down?
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>>15351140
Retard never learnt newton's laws.
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>>15350883
boys have a penis and girls have a vagina. This is apparently highly contested esoteric knowledge in modern day.very high iq to understand this
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>>15350716 (OP)
Anon, the mathfags here are hardly sophomore level, quit projecting. Also, I'm pretty sure you don't know how to use group theory.
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>>15351507
>i am very smart
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>>15351514
That's irrelevant, OP is also a pseud.
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>>15351484
Obviously wrong. Proof: there are girls with penises competing in weightlifting and martial arts. When you call someone a boy or a girl, not only are you assuming they have genitals without verification, which is very unscientific, you are also projecting other unverified beliefs that can be harmful, like assuming that boys are at lower risk from iron deficiency because they eat steak and don't menstruate. That's medical malpractice in a basedciety, but medical textbooks don't take social environment into account. Therefore, at least one course in gender studies must be completed to get your /sci/ degree.
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>>15351507
Memorizing textbooks doesn't make you smart, questioning the mainstream does
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>>15350716 (OP)
What the fuck is predictive knowledge?
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>>15351523
or maybe he's just baited us all. Best not to waste time on this thread.
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>>15351528
What is it with you retards and group theory?
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>>15351534
>seething groupcel cultist
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>>15351535
It's just a useful mathematical tool. You're the one who follows Tooker's schizophasia.
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>>15351542
has group theory ever gotten you any pussy you little ass grabbing faggot?
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>>15350716 (OP)
What do you expect, if you go against dogmatism of science, they jump on you like lions. If you go against dogmatism of philosophy, they again jump on you like lions. Religion? Well no meed to tell yoi about it.
I refuse to think that people dont question things, what i think is that people feel to comftareble in ivory towers where they dont need to fight alone from all sides.
Psychology afffects human thinking alot.
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>>15351542
>useful mathematical tool
not this faggot.
so, what is your practical use of group theory?
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>>15351549
For first it filters out midwits like you, actually that's enough.
Beatiful isn't it?
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>>15351549
Literally all of physics since special relativity.
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>>15351554
so you basically never use it for anything in your life and yet you claim it is useful, how so?
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>>15351554
So it's just a tool for academics to pretend to be superior to the common man?
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>>15351564
Retard, did u even read the replies? >>15351559
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>>15350874
it means starting from basic facts and physics instead of relying on "common sense" or analogies which may lead you to believe something doesnt work because it hasn't worked before, this other thing is done like x and not y so it can't work etc
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>>15351568
but you never achieve anything in physics anon
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>>15350867
I'm gonna guess you give it that grade because the meme mirrors your reality

kill yourself
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>>15351568
How is this "special relativity" useful in real life other than to satisfy academics delusions?
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>>15351554
it filtered you from ever having sex
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>>15351583
It's used everyday for GPS and nuclear physics, but usefulness isn't a necessity for scientific theories. This is /sci/ ffs, you retards are part of problem.
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>>15351609
I'll admit I was only trolling and saying the sort of things that schizos like bodhi would find intelligent.
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>>15351609
>It's used everyday for GPS and nuclear physics,
fine, and you? how do you utilize it? every retard can use gps but it doesn't need to understand the internal of the system.
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>>15351619
fuck me, I've been trolled again. You can't even tell anymore on /sci/.
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>>15351635
Then again, it doesn't really matter, why waste your time arguing with retards?
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>>15351619
lmao @ the seething schizo


>>15351635
What's really sad is that guy is an actual legit psychotic cluster B NPB so you got meta trolled
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>>15351609
>It's used everyday for GPS and nuclear physics,nope
>but usefulness isn't a necessity for scientific theories. 
nope
>you retards are part of problem.
pot, kettle, etc
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>>15350716 (OP)
Can your first principles build a bridge? No? Then it's boring
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>>15352175
if you try to not be the biggest faggot in the room every once in a while you might get some pussy
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>>15350716 (OP)
What the fuck is this post even talking about? First principles? Is this one of those schizo posts like
>Real numbers don't actually exist hurr durr
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>>15353626
something above your IQ level apparently. is anyone really surprised? I'm certainly not
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>>15350716 (OP)
>Illiterate in philosophy, politics, history, literature
Midwit detected
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>>15353644
You're quoting different Anons and you contribute nothing to the discussion. A scientist seeks to expand understanding, not to contempt or ridicule.
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>>15354204
That is actually based. Garbage in garbage out. If you don't read the garbage you will just let out natural ideas that are more beautiful and true.
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>>15351548
Yes. But also there is a true reality and it is kind of a terrifying thing. The truth is kind of scary but also beautiful. It really is ALL mind and once you can FEEL what that means you start to SEE the truth. It's not really about a little tiny word or even a book full of words.
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>>15354369
We're ER doctors and the patient is bleeding out. Quickly now: how does your perspective help this patient in a better way than the materialist perspective?
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>>15354360
More likely you'll come up with the same shit of the trillions of humans who were born before you thinking of this same shit, who you chose to ignore, and further, when you are just flat out wrong, never know, let alone why.

Meanwhile there are billions of other people building on the back of the information that those trillions passed down to them, all of which are hundreds of magnitudes more likely to come up with advancements than you are on your own.

Dunno why you decided to call it quits learning from humanity how to talk, write, and type, while communicating your willful ignorance using devices that are the culmination of billions of people working together through time through generations of education.
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>>15354399
My perspective does not say what you think it does. If someone is bleeding and dying even with my beliefs you can treat them in a way that works. Nobody has to believe materialism to perform first aid or surgery. You just have to respect the body and processes.
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>>15354466
Just because you say big numbers doesn't make them real. It doesn't take humans thousands of generations to realize this world is an evil place. Lying isn't powerful dude.
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>>15350716 (OP)
sounds like someone refused the vaxx
tsk tsk
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UQYTb9DwKjQ [Embed]
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>>15354474
You're circumventing the point that science needs to differentiate what model of reality is more valid, reliable and predective for specific purposes like medicine. Your view offers no such differentiating. If you want to criticize science, then please criticize the sneaky way they abuse facts to shill a narrative like: universe big, you small, Earth not center, therefore you're insignificant. That's insidious.
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>>15354399
We're two fags and your as is hanging out. I insert my bbc into it very quickly. How do you respond white boi? What math formula is going to keep from enjoying this massive black log up your ass?
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>>15354508
Yeah but anon that shit ain't science. It is based on what appears to work, what might work, what doesn't work, etc. It is scientific but not some kind of super pure thing that can only work with a philosophy that says all is matter. You just have to think critically about things. Also in the case of mental health stuff medicine is basically a complete failure. Pretty much all mental conditions are deemed life long. That is because treatment doesn't actually work. Not to mention when people discover alternative methods to help their mental and spiritual issues they get gaslit by the health system over it. And also blamed for other people's death as if your existence isn't allowed because someone else would have died without meds. Yeah medicine ain't perfect dude.
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>>15354478
>It doesn't take humans thousands of generations to realize this world is an evil place.
There's more to learn than that, and eventually, you'll discover that's not the case.
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>>15354527
Sure. Actually i think you are right. The world is more of a scary place with evil things in it. But really evil things aren't in control but they do lie constantly so they can appear in control.
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>>15354518
Politics and funding aside, science seems indeed to be an agnostic instrument to develop ''what works'', regardless what the nature of reality is. Simultaneously it does seem to assume that the observed exists independently from the observer. That assumption leads to the confusion between a shared perception and reality itself, leaving science vulnerable to politics, funding and failure.
However, the failure of science is less about the instrument and more about how the instrument is used. For example:
>>15354515
In a world full of people with this kind of attitude to learning and discussing any approach is doomed to fail.
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>>15351398
>ESL
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>>15354581
lol that anon had a point though. Bringing up some horrible gruesome shit as a counter point is basically just a threat. It isn't something that should be taken that serious. You already know that believing materialism doesn't make you a doctor. Its just a dumb argument. I had one butthurt anon tell me I will believe materialism once they shove gasoline down my throat. Its just obnoxious threats. Really shows how full of shit the worshippers of science and matter are.
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>>15354602
You keep circumventing the point that ''all is mind'' is unfalsifiable and you have no evidence that it is a more valid, reliable and predictive way to solve the problems you propose. On the contrary: people who claim to be spiritual and listen to guru's who promote ''all is mind'' are among the most mentally damaged and emotionally vulnerable.
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>>15354644
lol anon it doesn't actually solve problems. It is just the natural development of the human mind. It isn't something you can erase with some dogma or something I understand in a dogmatic way. It is simply the truth and it is the path that my mind and soul automatically takes. I am not in control or deciding to realize these things I just see them. Eventually we all move on from the world as it is.
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>>15354644
To add: first they are disappointed by the failure of psycho-logists, psychiatrists and psycho therapist, then they are ripe to be exploited by the alternatives. Neither science nor anything else can cure sick fish in the toxic water they have to live in.
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>>15350867
I agree, the post lacks subtlety. You can just beat the /sci/tard over the head with the truth, you have to leave some breadcrumbs that they can follow IF they're intellectually honest.
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>>15351398
Never post again, poojeet.
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>>15354663
If your view is how you experience life, then it makes no sense to use reason to convince anyone else of what is beyond reason.
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>>15354707
Reason is just another experience. It's just how you travel through ideas without getting lost. There is nothing wrong with using reason but it isn't everything. Really it is kind of like a comforting thing to keep you from being consumed by fear.
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>>15354581
his argument made as much sense and was just as relevant as yours, you are just retarded
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>>15354644
this is levels of strawman retardation rarely seen even in this retarded place. you are stupid anon, you are doomed to fail everything due to your retardation
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>>15351574
>it means starting from basic facts and physics
which ones? the ones that required thousands of years of thought and experiments?
lol, fuck off /pol/cel, you'll never be a knowledgeable, stoic reinassance man
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>>15354752
schizo retard
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>>15350716 (OP)
>The scientism cult doesn't allow you to question the basic tenets of the cults dogma/gospels.
and the dogma never originates from science to begin with, its all contrived for political uses. 
homosexuality was first identifies as a mental illness, when that became politically inconvenient "the science" changed
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Rishi Dunak says boys have a penis. Hes a billionaire and a prime minister so hes qualified
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>>15354746
Ad hominem is not a better argument than strawman and you're still circumventing the point. You lost the debate.
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>>15354734
True. So how does this advance science? I guess I'll find out after taking an inner engineering course from Sadhguru.
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>>15354746
Forget my responses below.
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>>15357192
I realize now that I should communicate at your level of superior intellect so here it goes: you sound like having a penis in your mouth therefore you're a retard. That's how you drag down every conversation. I suspect you're the same fag that trolled the philosophy of consciousness debates. No one wanted to play with you anymore after you killed that thread, so now you're looking for fresh blood like the vampire you are.
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>>15357205
can't hear you with the massive tranny dong in your mouth