trv/2418611.txt

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What are the pros and cons of living in Florida?
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>>2418611 (OP)
Florida's such a diverse place. You've got: 

>Jews living in Palm Beach
>blacks in Broward County
>nouveau riche Latinos in Miami
>inbred dysgenic whites in Pensacola
>decrepit boomers and bored teens snorting oxy in Port St. Lucie

And never the twain shall meet. The living conditions and life experiences vary widely from one community to another. That's like asking, "what's life in America like?" It's a very loaded question.
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>>2418611 (OP)
>Pros
November, December, January, February, March, April

>Cons
May, June, July, August, September, October
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>>2418611 (OP)
The only con is the potential issue of roach & those roach-like bugs. Keep your place clean, and keep your landlords balls to the fir.e if you rent with keeping the place bug-free
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>>2418615

What about Collier County?
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>>2418611 (OP)
Pros:
•
Cons:
• living in Florida
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>>2418611 (OP)
Depends on what you like.
The rural living is Southern rural living.
The suburban sprawl everywhere is generally pretty soulless unless you live in/near a coastal community and like aquatic activities (beach/boat/fish/surf) in which case, it is Peak Comfy and Real Florida
Urban areas are all their own little microstates.
- SoFLA is LATAM
- Tampa/St Pete is not
- Orlando is shit
- Jacksonville is Black Belt South (50/50 white/black)
- Panhandle is Redneck Riviera and low-key comfy... for now

The humidity and bugs are real, and Euros are not built for the tropics, so that's a thing. Traffic is awful because of all the new transplants and housing market has not quit melting up. It's anti-comfy to see the reckless abandon with which the state is being developed. The tree huggers aren't always right, but they were clearly onto something.

t. Tampa Bay area
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if youre in a walkable area its god tier. the sprawl is unbearable though, and the pavement and heat is nauseating.

stay within a mile of the coast or don't bother.
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>>2418682
There is no reason to have bugs living in your house but you sure as fuck will have them constantly trying to get inside from the outdoors. Big ones. But that is a good sign. If you have little ones then you need to spray the house. It isn't you fault if one shows up every now and then right before a storm or cold front. It is your fault if they live long enough to lay eggs.
And as a landlord fuck that shit, it is the filthy tenants who bring the bugs in.
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>>2418682
Talstar P. It's like $50 on Amazon and will keep your house bug free for 3+ months
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Been to most of the state, my rankings:
Tampa/St Pete - 8/10
Orlando - 6/10
Jacksonville - 6/10
Panhandle - varies wildly. Some great areas, some super trashy bad areas 
Miami - 3/10 
Ft Lauderdale - 5/10
Jupiter/West Palm Beach - 8/10 
Haven't spent time in SW FL or the keys so can't rate those. If I had to move to FL I'd live in St Pete or Jupiter
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>>2418611 (OP)
Just left there, after a 10 year stint...full of old people poor and rich alike, shitty tourists, drugs, heat & humidity (basically stay in side all day with AC), flat, mosquitos, lots of mixed cultures tourists and transplants, corrupt legal system (ole boy), now the state is flooded with migrating boomers, and gen x, fleeing their poorly run states in the great lakes region....these newbie transplants are rude, rich, and don't understand what it is like to live in Florida. Place is an expensive mess...

positive's can make a buck on all the tourists etc...and fishing / boating if you are into that
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I've lived in Orlando on/off since 2004.

Florida has a whole has a ton to offer for leisure activities. The only things you won't find in the state are obviously winter sports and any type of activities involving actual mountains. Frankly, if you're ever bored living in Florida you're just a boring person. That being said, you're in luck, because Miami/FLL/MCO airports are pretty good hubs for international travel. I used to routinely find (Spirit) flights to Cartagena, Colombia for like 200-250 bucks. Copenhagen was just like $450 out of MCO a week or two ago.

Downsides: Career opportunities (in-person) are kind of lacking if your industry isn't tourism or defense. Property taxes here suck, but it's offset by no income tax. By the way, homeowners insurance also fucking sucks because of hurricanes. Speaking of weather, you're only getting about a combined six weeks of "cold" weather. Enjoy running the AC for the other 10.5 months. Public transportation is nearly non-existent, you'll need a car without a doubt. That way you can also experience some of the worst drivers in the nation up and down the state (especially Miami). Cost of living has been jacked up because of the tourists becoming residents over the past 2-3 years. I think the Tampa area was the fastest growing region in the US during that time.

There are more pros/cons but that's the gist of it. Florida is based if you can afford it, can deal with the weather, and can deal with the population boom.
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>>2420684
>Public transportation is nearly non-existent

I relied entirely on Lynx bus service during my last trip to Orlando and it seemed great for what I was doing. Is it just very limited in its range or what?
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>>2419656
>t. Tampa Bay area
I might leave this area, its crazy how much it has changed in the past 3 years
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Pros: prices aren't the worst. Beaches exist. Winter is never potentially deadly.
Cons: drugs and crazies everywhere, some of the most backwoods people you've ever seen, mosquito hell, summer can burn you so bad you shed like a snake, Christians and hobos yelling on street corners, the whole state is a mix of small cities and vast rural areas where there is absolutely nothing
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>>2422062
>prices aren't the worst.
My apartments rent used to be 900 1BR, 1Bath a month in 2020. Now it is 1600 a month
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I think Florida is the best representation of what a Euro thinks America is like if they’re the type to want to come here. No Euro is prepared for burger-style gigahypergamy however.
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>>2418611 (OP)
Cons:
Traffic can be a nightmare. The latinos/hispanics drive like they're in a fast and furious movie Tokyo drifting around your car. God forbid you switch lanes in front of one of them oncoming. Traffic congestion is terrible in all of the touristy places and it's gotten worse since covid as a lost of people moved to them to WFH.

The lakes are more like swamps and have a brain-eating amoeba that will kill you living in them.

There are gators everywhere (and crocs in the south). Especially anywhere near water.. which is also everywhere since the entire state is pocked by mostly near-circular lakes. If you look at a satellite map there is a big strip that ends in Lake Okeechobee and the surrounding Everglades region... almost like a giant ball of ice was flung onto the terrain in ancient times, braking up and making all the lakes and striking/melting the south. Because that probably actually happened.

Lizards and cockroaches will get into your house. The cockroaches might infest if even. Mosquitoes are bad in this state.

It gets miserable hot and humid in the warmer months. If your power goes out and you don't have air, you're screwed plus you don't have a basement to cool down in.

Hurricanes and tropical storms will wreck your shit.

No basements cause water table. Also sink holes. 

Sun will fade anything outside.

And the various demographic problems mentioned above.

Pros are obvious. Sub-tropical climate, great in the winter. Something calming about palm trees, at least for me. Miles of beach, some of it untouched (but usually the private ones).
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>>2418611 (OP)
I am looking to leave. As soon as Biden got in, people swarmed the state as its the last place for freedom. Now the traffic is bad, libs everywhere, crime is up, price of living in every way is up. I want out.
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>>2418630
lmao facts
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>>2418682
Facts. plus mosquitoes
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>>2418693
>no green everywhere
looks like AZ not FL
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>>2422062
go back
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Too many out of state faggots coming here and not dumping their faggy liberal policies that forced them to come here in the first place
It's crowded as fuck out here and any outdoor activities require money for a boat and shit
And thats assuming you own enough property to do whatever you want without dealing with the lack of space or some faggy HOA
This is my home state so at least I will fight to at least have a place here because Florida is too precious to me
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>>2422283
My swimming hole that used to be quiet and peaceful is now packed with urbanites. I should have bought land and house when it was cheap. Had no idea libs were going to ruin it here.
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its an unaffordable hellhole now
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Pros
Can you become one of those annoying faggots who make living in Florida their entire personality.
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>>2422364
To be fair, prices shot up where I live as well, and it was already a northeastern lib shithole. Blame Blackrock and a certain ethnoreligious group for our problems.
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>>2422455
No
You have be born here, live through at least hurricane, eat a pub sub, get in one car accident, go 100+ mph on either the turnpike or 95, and have no idea how to handle the cold
I'll be lenient on the hurricanes because nature has been too kind but everything else is a must
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>>2422487
Don't forget a DWI charge
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I’ve been looking at Wesley chapel near Tampa maybe moving from the west coast
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>>2422758
I've heard good things about St. Petersburg as well
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>>2422767
>>2422758
don't come here its a nightmare with traffic now. My old 20 minute commute to work has turned into a 45 minute one now. housing prices are insane now also
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>>2422767
St Pete sucks. Try Clearwater or Dunedin.
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>>2422480
live in reality or leave the thread. liberals caused ALL of this
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>>2418630
I see it as December, January, August, August, August etc.
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>>2419457
Thanks, stay away.
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>>2422876
Truth
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>>2423098
Way ahead of you. Left over a decade ago, never going back.
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>>2423116
Good.
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You get paranoid standing next to a river or lake because of alligators and crocodiles
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>>2422928
aren't a lot of conservatives from other states moving to FL?
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>>2423607

Thats because of DeSantis and his minions running the state. Sure, there's no state income tax but what else is really all that great about Florida? 

Florida is a magnet for old white conservatives. All the snowbirds and people from flyover states move down here add to that the Trump fans driving around with Confederate flags attached to their trucks along with ugly antisemitic or anti-gay stickers plastered on the windows, and it was enough to say goodbye. We are extremely happy we did, as we feel safe now.

Florida offers nothing other than off and on polluted beaches and three months of great weather. Let’s not forget the soaring costs of living there.
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>>2419691
>stay within a mile of the coast or don't bother
Until a hurricane wrecks your shit and even if your place is intact you don't how power for over a week or usable Internet for a month. I prefer inland on a nice lake and don't mind commuting an hour to either coast for the hurricane reason alone.
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>>2422487
I can't wait for a huge Cat 4 or 5 to slam into West Palm or even here in Tampa. I want the Covid refugees to leave SO FUCKING BAD bros.
The other storm that's coming - the financial one - may do just as much damage. Here's to hoping.
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anyone here like raider klan?
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>>2424914
Are you trans?
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>>2423607
As soon as Biden got in, ppl poured into FL and many of them have LGBT flags. They completely wrecked the good life I had and they are wealthier
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>>2425778
Dude where tf do you live???
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>>2419656
How are the women in Tampa
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>>2422876
I'm from Dunedin and there's fuck all to do there. If you are a Midwest transplant who loves mediocre sports bar Applebees bullshit then the Pinellas county sprawl outside of St Pete will be magic, otherwise don't bother.

The beaches are nice though
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>>2418611 (OP)
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>>2425779
Eatonville
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>>2426847
Main Street is comfy. Go get a beer at Rosie's and then wander over to Stratchan's for some ice cream.
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>>2418615
As a fellow American I understand what you mean by differences do you have any opinion of the Tampa suburbs besides they’re typical suburbs?
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>>2418615
>noveau riche latinos in miami
Coral Gables and Weston*

I can assure you I'm not noveau riche living in western part of dade-county.

>inbred dysgenic whites in Pensacola
That's all of the panhandle. I went there for my cousin's wedding years ago and I saw a lot of morbidly obese whites. First time I saw the shart mart scooter user, I thought it was a meme until that point. Mind you I went to Panama City Beach.

also fuck off we're full
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>>2428375
Oh nice bro I'm in Orlando. You tryin to fuck or nah? Haha. Ha.
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Orlando is shit, avoid it unless you like depression

Tampa Bay is based af, i find it's like Miami minus the niggers and weirdos and most latinos are pretty chill

Fort Myers is pretty chill too, more quiet than Tampa and good real estate.

Naples is fine but you'll get bored quick if the beach/night life vibes aren't your thing.

Miami pretty much all the hood rats from the north east coast, niggers, refugees, nouveau riche clowns flashing their wealth and buying up all the houses, tech bros with their ponzi scheme conventions, all infest the place. Decent night life and food scene but that's about it. Miami is not what it used to be unless you live in the gated communities or some expensive penthouse where you can have your own bubble of some sorts. If you want to move there and got the money, i'd consider another country entirely since you can buy a villa in the Mediterranean for those prices and you won't have to deal with the cesspool that Miami has become.

Northern florida i wouldn't consider unless you like the white trash hillbillies or you work in the military and basically got no choice to live there.
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>>2418611 (OP)
The entire state is trash
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>>2424914
>We are extremely happy we did, as we feel safe now.

Imagine the threat of ugly stickers on other peoples' cars. You could probably get covid if you looked long enough!
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>>2422100
a big issue is people from Jersey & NYC dont know what reasonable rent looks like. For a non diverse area in Jersey that's safe, it costs $2000 per month minimum for a 1 br OUTSIDE the city, like Hoboken. In NYC, you're looking at $5000 per month for a decent living arrangement.
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>>2428772
Truly hope you mean St Petersburg or Ybor City when you're referring to Tampa Bay because the actual Tampa is literally nigger central
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>>2425000
I was in Palm Beach when we had all of those 5s in a 3 year span in the mid 2000s. Wilma, etc. Right before it happened it looked a lot like it does now. People were projecting that we were going to hit 30m population, that if you didn't buy now you were never going to be able to get a home, that it can only go up. The first hit was the hurricanes raising everyone's insurance premiums. As the hurricanes continued, insurance continued going up every year and people were continuously doing repairs and living with tarps on their roofs. People started to rage quit and go back to new england. The housing market cooled and then national collapse caused it to crash. 

I can't wait to see what will happen to these 500-700/month HOAs wherein they've been administered by spoiled brats who just increase premiums without making any effort to cut costs or negotiate prices. No more repaving a road twice a year when it gets 1/500th the traffic of normal roads, or keeping a brat on the payroll to email about how I should bring in pest control because my neighbor has rats because they came up through a tree that they failed to keep trimmed away from the building.
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>>2429263
>The presenters were excellent in updating the board on the current situation with the insurance market in Florida, and very informative
He's getting a kickback, I guarantee it
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>>2428932

Dunno man i ran into a lot less nigs in TB than in Miami in general but St Petersburg and Ybor were definitely on the list yeah.

Blacks who move in usually come from the upper east coast and congregate around Miami which is why some neighborhoods there turned into compton 2.0.
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>>2426824
Lots of gorgeous women for its size in Tampa/St Pete area; USF and University of Tampa help keep it stocked. USF is a nurse factory.
Decent selection of Latin women too but with more non-Caribs moving in there are more Apocalyptas walking around
If you are not retarded with women you can have a good time
>here I am on 4chan instead
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I can't wait for 2004 2.0... One or three need to hit Miami, one in Tampa and one needs to Charley across the state and drown everyone in Orlando.
I live in Tampa, I accept the risk, I'm ready
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>>2429536
Fuck no I'm not. My insurance premiums are at an all time high and I've lived here for almost 20 years. You fucking niggers need to stop wanting more hurricanes to hit because it's obvious you own no property
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Florida is a failed state and Ron Desanctimonious is a total loser.
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>>2429555
Great travel advice Jared
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>>2429555
Your syphilitic game show host will never be president again
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What's Ocala like? Any other central anons here?
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>>2431754
It's ok. Not as expensive as other areas since you are not on the coast and it isn't a major tourist attraction. Theres some nice rural places around the area also.
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>>2425000
we got hit here in swfl and all those snowbirds are still here... red tide and hurricanes they just don't care
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>>2428772
>Fort Myers is pretty chill too, more quiet than Tampa and good real estate.
>Naples is fine but you'll get bored quick if the beach/night life vibes aren't your thing.
it's all shit unless you live near the water and have a boat. Ft myers has alright parts but it's overall full of niggers. Naples is better but you have to have some money to get into a kino neighborhood. Like he says, very quiet place. nothing happens here.
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Bump for more info as a Pennsylvanian :D

This state is goddamn boring and STILL COLD IN APRIL

and it's not even that far North. Fuckin hell
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>>2418611 (OP)
high insurance cost for homes
hurricanes
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drove down to St Petersberg for Christmas during the snowstorm from Canada. it was fun having a snowball fight on the Florida-Georgia line in front of the beaners and Ukrainians. 

honestly, the South as a whole, and Florida in particular felt soulless compared to the north us. maybe it's just that there isn't much difference between where I'm from and the North U.S. compared to the South. maybe its that Florida has had so many new transplants recently but it was really soulless.

There were rest stops in Minnesota that were nicer than churches in Florida. downtown cedar rapids Iowa was more beautiful than every city in the south. Minneapolis had way more soul than Atlanta, Nashville or Jacksonville if you want to compare large city to large city. Even the truck stops in North Dakota were cleaner, safer, and better maintained than hotels on the barrier island in St Petersberg. I thought I was Florida was going to be beautiful but it was dirty and soulless. I'm sure there are nicer areas than what I went to but I didn't see any, I was hoping to see some stuff like in Scarface.
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>>2432185
>and have a boat
My goodness do American girls love guys with boats.
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>>2424914

>we feel safe now

Translation: now we're getting the attention we crave by acting like a bunch of faggots in public
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>>2434152

Florida has an interesting history, but it seems like there's no shortage of shitty "modernist" condos and apartments being built all the time. It does not lend to a lasting sense of charm, unlike the North which has more rustic and older styles of architecture. I've been in FL for eight years and I miss having decent culture around
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>>2434152
Florida was little more than a swamp during this country's early history. The Old South was long dead by the time it became in any way relevant in American life. Of course it's soulless.
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South Florida gets really hot. That's the main con for me, and the reason I left. DeSantis was great at shutting down all the covid bullshit. Not sure how successful he's been with handling the tranny situation. He needs to follow on his promise for constitutional carry.
>>2424914
>polluted beaches
Most Florida beaches are kino. You sound retarded. Even Daytona Beach, where cars can legally drive on the beach, is cleaner than most Thai beaches. Only went to Pensacola Beach once and forget how it looked, but Pensacola isn't really Florida anyway.
>>2418693
Collier County native living abroad here. Growing up in Naples is a bit strange because of all the geezers. A lot of spics and haitians (probably the lowest IQ race you will find in the world), but it's pretty segregated if your family has money. My neighborhood was 99% white and right next to the beach (one of my favorite beaches in the world). Red tide really does fuck shit up though.
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>>2434936
GGE here, since the pandemic swarms of Cubans from the east coast have been building houses on my street, they're not that loud or anything but they're always adding stupid pointless additions onto their property for no other reason than to show off. Funny how the ones who moved in across the street give me the bleakest stares, they just wish they had an HOA they could call to report me for being a white trash nigger lmao, been here 30+ years now and I'm not going anywhere (not that I can afford to at this point)
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>>2434936
You must have met my cousin. Hot Latina turned UF sorority stacy. She lived in the nice part of town on account of her father drug money, lmao.
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>>2428421
Tampa is a good mix of Florida Latinos, white trash, and elderly. The suburbs are like any others in the USA but you’re less than an hour from major sporting events, concerts, world famous beaches, and year round outdoor stuff.
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>>2434614

Florida belonged to the Spanish, then the Brits, then the Spanish again, then Jackson told them and the Injuns to scram. Bloody shame that we sentenced the Indians to a fate worse than death: having to live in Oklahoma.
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Let’s say, hypothetically, I started at 10pm on the hunt for some snow in Orlando. About how long would it take me to find some that isn’t laced with fentanyl, and where would I need to look for it?
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>>2418615
pros; Everything but kikes
cons: Kikes
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I’m going to Tampa soon for a few days for some legal thing, anything of note to see or do around there?
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>>2438382
Busch Gardens Tampa if you’re into roller coasters
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>>2438382
>>2438405
Yeah Busch Gardens is a good time. If you have the means/time, take a drive over to Clearwater beach in St Petersburg.
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>>2438436
I meant in Clearwater. It's all the same shit, really. In St Petersburg you can also go to Fort DeSoto park which is really cool.
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>>2438382
Catch the Lightning on Thursday, those are a good time. Downtown St Pete is awesome on Friday and Saturday nights, head and shoulders better than Tampa.
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Looking at a few days in Miami. Is it really just clubbing, beach and food/booze?
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In case any of you has $70 million lying around, the son of a Cuban refugee turned media mogul is selling his Coral Gables estate. Imagine all the UMiami cunny you could slay with a house like this. 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/in-coral-gables-a-waterfront-home-set-on-2-acres-asks-69-9-million-c0b2393e
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>>2438826
A veritable Xanadu of puss
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>>2438778
Yep. Hope you're rich or preternaturally handsome
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>>2438778
It's a city for latinos anon. What do you think?
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Lifelong resident of east Ft Lauderdale area who enjoys the normie salt life bullshit activities. Sometimes I fucking hate it here but then I'll take a week off and travel down to the keys with my boat or head north to camp at a state park to kayak the springs. This state is beautiful and truly does have a lot to offer. Minus all the bullshit it kinda rules.
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one of the biggest shitholes I have ever visited, I will never step foot here again or even fly near it , truly hell on earth filled with backward vile demons
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I've lived here for over a decade. Looking to get out. Just tired of the heat/humidity and tourists. 

Pros is that there is a lot of shit to do. Cons is that you probably have to be here long term to do it all.
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Spent 3.5 yrs in Miami Beach, 1.5 in st Pete now 
Pinellas is chill but crowded, lack of housing, think any major US urban area plus palm trees and beaches that you don’t visit often cause you’re working or stuck in traffic going from strip mall to strip mall. Thing I dislike the most is having to get on clogged up 45 mph 3 lane roads or mad max interstate death racetrack to get anywhere 
Also summer is hot as balls and worse in Pinellas, Miami gets that Atlantic breeze and the waters a bit cooler
Of the top 20 or 30 or whatever largest metro areas, tampa bay has to be one of the cleanest and politically based