trv/2420895.txt

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>"Local delicacies" range from mediocre deviations of existing food to outright terrible
>"Hidden gems" of the culinary world basically do not exist. It's 2023, we know what's good and what isn't.
>If it's not available on shelves in America, there's probably a reason for it.
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>If it's not available on shelves in America, there's probably a reason for it
Not enough preservatives, not enough added sugar, not processed enough, not stored in plastic, not made by a large corporation, too organic, too exotic, too healthy.
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A thread died for this...
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>>2420895 (OP)
>>"Local delicacies" range from mediocre deviations of existing food to outright terrible
Protip: they are all just poor people food that later got the status of "local delicacy" because normal people eat the same things in every country. So for it to be special it has to be a local species of small rodent, insect, water insect or extremely disgusting slimy creature, that sort of thing. Or various types of byproducts of normal animals like cow hooves.
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>>2420897
Unironically this. You have to go to niche stores if you have anything approaching subtlety in your palate. Why? Food that isn't super cheap and chock-full of sugar just isn't competitive in the American market. The food industry and supermarkets are also both run by oligopolies, it's very hard for anything that isn't trash made by the same few companies to get its foot in the door on shelves.
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>>2420920
"Subtle flavor" meaning you threw a couple sprigs of parsley on your potatoes, Hans?
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>>2420922
He's right though. Best example is American bread, why the fuck is it so sweet, even the "good" stuff? Like it's not about the subtitles of muh spices bringing out the intricacies of a dish or whatever, it's that everything is brought to the extremes 9 times out of 10. American food overall would be better if it knew how to just take things down a notch. Unhealthy, sugary, fatty foods? Who cares, go for it, but if you think butter on a stick is something that should be praised idk what to say. This all being said
>>2420895 (OP)
fuck you op this thread is lame
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Economist here, can confirm:

As a world traveller (to conferences, academic junkets, fieldwork, etc.) people are in fact generally the same. The same "kinds" of people appear in every culture, and are just slight variations of the same type of person you're familiar with. i.e. Variation within-group is usually greater than between groups, what's more the stratification within groups is similar around the world.

As far as food is concerned, the best kind of food everywhere in the world is fine dining, of any cuisine. Fine dining of any kind of food is strictly better than poorly prepared versions of any other kind of food.

Moral of the story is, wealthy people all around the world experience the best of wherever they are. /trv/ poorfag incels BTFO, how will they ever recover?

>>2420907
And nothing of value was lost

>>2420922
back to your 3rd world shithole, streetshitter
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>>2420895 (OP)
Americans know nothing about food. Let alone good food.
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>>2420980
Fine dining is indeed the peak of any kind of cuisine but nobody exclusively consumes fine dining so it is still worth to compare common cuisine between cultures.
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>>2420895 (OP)
food in america = goyslop
food in the rest of the world = culture
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>>2420980
The worst food for you in the EU is still healthier than any food available in the US.
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>>2420895 (OP)
>If it's not available on shelves in America, there's probably a reason for it.
This is one of the dumbest statements I've read in a long time.
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>>2420895 (OP)
I know of some hidden gems, but I am not telling, goodluck figuring that out /trv/lers
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Everyone in here is retarded. Easy example off the top of my head is Georgian Food. It's a true hidden gem and it straight up does not exist in America. It's all over Eastern Europe (because it's amazing) but you basically can't get it outside of Ex-Soviet countries. I get cravings for pic related on the regular and there's nothing I can do about it except wait for my next trip to Eastern Europe. It's made with like 5 different cheeses; none of which you can find in even the most specialized cheese shops in America.
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>>2420895 (OP)
Idk about the USA but there's definitely a lot of food I can't get in Canada and can only find overseas.
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>>2420941
is that the best example? because you're risking a hefty BTFO'ing
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>>2421073
Georgian is great if you like getting fat. Bread and cheese are fine for a snack but you can't build an entire cuisine around it. 

I liked Georgia but the food was pretty bland. Lobiani might be the worst thing I ever tried to eat. Bland bread filled with dry red beans. No spices or sauce or anything. 

Khinkali were fine but not something I could eat every day. 

What other than khatchapuri did you like?
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>>2420895 (OP)
Local dishes are usually quite nice if the ingredients are fresher than they would be if they were shipped halfway around the world. Also spice (mixes) tend to be better where the local cuisine often uses it than some pre-packages 90% salt big corpo spice mix. 
Also, and i know this is a big meme, but the atmosphere plays a big role. Ragú that some local grandmom made in a small obscure town in the Italian mountains will just taste better than any home-made equivalent. The taste of bluefin tuna at 6 in the morning at the Tokyo fish market is just different than the same fish in your local 2 star Michelin restaurant.
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>>2421127
tl;dr just be rich and everything will be better :)
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>>2420980
WEF goyslop peddler. Fine dining has nothing to do with it. You are just paying a huge premium for the restaurant to source good ingredients, which I agree is well worth it in shithole countries like India where eating local foods will leave you with an e coli infection. 

The best food goods in the world are found in large, rich countries like US and China because they have the most wealthy consumers that will pay for the best food imports from all around the world. Borneo might have the best durian, Sicily the best olives, Bordeaux the best wine, Hokkaido the best milk, etc but in wealthy places like US and China, you have a store that will sell Malaysian Durian, Italian Olives, French Wine, Hokkaido milk, swiss chocolates all in one place, with people that will buy them. JFL China accounts for 45% of the worlds seafood consumption. Chang is unironically foodmogging the rest of the world. 

Agriculture and culture matters too. The average amerimutt eat like shit but not because good food isn't available for them. America has a hunting culture and you can literally go shoot your own game animals and eat it instead of doordashing. Most old world countries you are not even allowed to hunt game animals unless you are some aristocrat.
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>>2421152
But some countries are exceptions. For a poor country, Vietnamese cuisine and their food products are excellent. If you have been to Thailand, you will can see that places in Thailand will use cheaper tuber starch noodles, which are inferior in taste to rice noodles that the Viets eat. 

For a rich country, English food is mediocre and expensive, with a poor selection.
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"Tourist traps" are usually the best a place has to offer.
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>>2420895 (OP)
>If it's not available on shelves in America, there's probably a reason for it.
this is such cope, even americanized food is better elsewhere. Fast food like mcdonalds/kfc is way better in europe and asia than it is in the US. Freshness of ingredients matters a lot too.
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>>2420980
First part of your post is right, people are the same. 

Second part no absolutely not. The best food is street food and local food made by grandmothers, and it's cheap.
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>>2420895 (OP)
only a pleb who hasn't seriously travelled can make this thread without irony. goes to show that dunning kruger is applicable in every field.
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>>2421073
This is a piece of bread with some cheese and an egg on top of it. We're supposed to be impressed?
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Here are a couple things I learned about food while traveling

The worst bakery in France is better than the best bakery in the US. 

You cannot get a good pizza anywhere in the United States west of Buffalo New York. 

Fondue in Switzerland is fucking terrible
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>>2421484
>You cannot get a good pizza anywhere in the United States west of Buffalo New York
Go fuck yourself, jew yorker. The only acceptable pizza is chicago deep dish pizza
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>>2421203

McDonald's in Japan is staggeringly fast
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>>2420941
Exactly! Try finding real bread from a real bakery near you
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>>2421484
There ARE no bakeries in the US!!! Only huge grocery store chains
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>>2421203
>Fast food like mcdonalds/kfc is way better in europe and asia than it is in the US.
This is true. European McDonald's blows American McDonald's out of the water. They know they actually have to compete in terms of freshness in that particular market. Can't just be feeding the goys the cheapest possible shit in that particular market.
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>>2420895 (OP)
It's like when people suggest "real" Indian food rather than the curries served in restaurants.

It's bland cheap shit padded out with lentils because you don't want things expensive and difficult to make for your daily meals.
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>>2421591
Do the UK and Ireland count? I tried their McDonalds and both were awful. It was equivalent to ordering from an American McDonalds staffed entirely by blacks.
The only things I liked that were different there were the bacon roll things.
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>poor dysfunctional countries are not that way because of muh colonialism or muh imperialism or muh despotism but because the people that live there are stupid and immoral
a bitter pill to swallow but the more places i go the more i see it is true. it's why chinese and jews and anglos are successful everywhere, and why countries that copy them are okay to live in and everywhere else is a complete shitshow.

i am looking at you india.
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>>2421073
washington DC is awash with ersatz caucasus diners capitalising on muh Real Travellers palate-signalling to their beltway friends
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>>2421469
>All bread and cheese is the SAME
Mutt confirmed
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>>2422634
Are they any good though?
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>>2420897
If it was really good, americans would just make their version of it 
OPs basic assertion is probably a good one
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>>2421175
>"Tourist traps" are usually the best a place has to offer.
lmao this. every time I see someone on here say "avoid the touristy places" I laugh. unless you have some kind of "in" with a local you are just wasting time
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>>2420895 (OP)
>If it's not available on shelves in America, there's probably a reason for it.
Ahahahhahaha I know this thread is bait but I can't help biting. The fact that someone actually typed this is beyond me.
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>>2422865
yeah they probably are, there would be enough FSO folk around to air their bullshit food critic opinions to make the chefs want to be on the ball
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>>2420895 (OP)
>If it's not available on shelves in America, there's probably a reason for it.
Most of the foods you can buy in France, Spain and Italy won't be stacked in US shelves or will be in a very specialised store, so this is pretty retarded. Those countries have the best cuisine, so I don't rate your assertion.
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>>2420895 (OP)
>leaving mothers basement. 
>mommy is no longer with me
aaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh
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>>2421469
Reductionist contrarians are brain dead
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>>2420980
Fine dining is heavily influenced by French haute cuisine in many ways (the kitchen organisation alone is a French influence that was birthed in the late 18th century) so no, not the most authentic. 

A good authentic restaurant can be potentially found anywhere, but in my experience, kinda remote rural places with enough local tourism for them to make a bit more effort usually provides the best of both worlds, namely authenticity expected from the place and quality expected from people coming from a different place.
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American cuisine is basically just savory dessert served at all times. Pretty based and tastypilled. What countries have an emerging fatty population that I could I open a goyslop restaurant in and be successful in?
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Don't ever start a conversation with Thai whores, they will only tell you their sob story about their fucking family whose farm is about to be foreclosed by the bank.
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>>2423259
All thirdie whores are like that
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>>2421484
>The worst bakery in France is better than the best bakery in the US.

Your mind on stereotypes: the post. You would be much closer to truth if you said "average" but for some reason people are always more drawn to extremes, when truth is much closer to averages....
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>>2421786
I was always getting irritated when people were saying "Europe and the UK', but as far as food is concerned, it's a good distinction to make. Brits have great pies and some lovely dishes here and there but overall their food and cousine is not as good as anywhere on the continent and due to being an island they rely on imports a lot which always leads to lesser quality
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>>2420895 (OP)
Blackpill number one: HOME is better, fuck traveling.
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>>2423311

ok small brain.
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>>2423308
The UK has good food but terrible chains. Most people end up eating at a tourist trap or Chain pub and assume that's representative.
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>>2423259
buffalo sick
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>>2420895 (OP)

>If it's not available on shelves in America, there's probably a reason for it.


Every time I read something as fucking retarded as the previous statement. I imagine OP and half of you look like this.
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>>2423880
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_cfzVCHPjU [Embed]
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>>2423801
>Chain pub
Yeah this, there's some corporation going around snapping up pubs all over Britain, chances are you've had some of their goyslop thinking you were eating at a mom and pop sort of place (which it was at one point, but I'd be surprised if they didn't change suppliers etc)
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>>2421563
? I live 5 minutes from a bakery/patisserie. Small town USA btw.
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>>2420895 (OP)
I disagree at least partially
I've traveled around the world extensively and I can say etc certainty that Georgian food is very good, to a point that most food in the world was not impressive to me especially since I'm from the west and we have a lot of interesting dishes in west Georgia that isn't even available in the center Georgia
Now you can argue that this doesn't count because Georgian food is very popular in Russia and local countries, but I think it still counts because most of the world doesn't know about it
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>>2421117
There are a lot of complicated dishes that for some reason westerners never try, in fact I would say that khachapuri and khinkali were not the most famous dishes in past they became the most popular in USSR because Russians loved it the most.
Here are some Georgian dishes to try
>Ghomi made from actual Ghomi with stewed beef in baje paired
>Chakapuli
>Kuchmachi
>Shkmeruli
>Elarji
>Kharcho
>Gebjalia
>Khashi 
>Sinori
Another important thing is that even usual dishes like kebabs and grilled meat can be good because blend of spices are different, plus we also have good borrowed food from neighbors like dolma, adjapsandal, kebabs etc.
Even if you specifically like cheese breads be good to try stuff like achma instead of genetic khachapuri
I'm not saying that it's amazing best cuisine in the world, but it is good and varied, but for some reason people never eat other dishes
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>>2421073
ignore /trv/ for once and take the big city pill. there are several authentic Georgian restaurants in London and NYC for example.
t.Londoner who just got back from NYC
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>>2421786
McDonald's in Italy, France and Germany is better than McDonald's in Ireland or UK. Italian McDonald's sells good coffee and other things on top of it. McDonald's means completely different things from country to country. I've never really used it in Eastern Europe where it costs the same if not more than in Western Europe despite local food, which is better anwyays, costing much less.
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>>2424156
>I've never really used it in Eastern Europe where it costs the same if not more than in Western Europe despite local food, which is better anwyays, costing much less.
It's considered a treat to go to McDonalds in a lot of countries because you're doing something "cool and American" so it costs more than local food, despite not actually being good. This is the case in latin america too.
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>>2424159
>It's considered a treat to go to McDonalds in a lot of countries because you're doing something "cool and American"
Yeah this, when starving Eastern Euros had McDonald's open in their cities for the first time, they treated it like the second coming of Christ. 

If you watch the documentary TraumaZone about the collapse of the USSR, it's actually kind of sad how into it they were. The first one in Moscow was packed with a line around the block, smiling kids everywhere. 

It's kind of shocking to think that McDonald's of all places is seen as one of the amenities of a modern, cosmopolitan city in some places.
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The notion that people to to places and are welcomed by locals and get to "experience the culture" is a complete farce. 

Go to Italy. Get treated like a tourist schmuck get asked to buy shit shut the fuck up and get out.

No one wants to converse with you. 99 percent of the time you won't experience any "local flavor or culture". You're a nuisance and ppl hate u. And probably will make fun of you in their language. 

It's why I don't go to non English speaking places. Ya not interested in getting made fun of and insulted by people in a foreign language lol. Fuck Italy, France all those types of places lol.
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>>2424188
It's just France and Italy that are like this.
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>>2424190
I've never been but I assume Croatia Spain Germany mexico etc are the same man come on.
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>>2424192
Never been to France or Italy either would subject myself to weird hostility. Nothing worse than being treated shitty and at the same.time ur cucking just by being there

Being in someones country is like saying: I think your country is so great that I even spent a bunch of money to visit! 

It's disrespectful to oneself to place that much honor on another person's home. Especially when you are treated like total crap.
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>>2424192
>I've never been but I assume
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The biggest travel blackpill for me is that adventure is fucking dead.
Every bit of the map has been filled in, an airplane can take you anywhere within a day, it's like fucking cheating.
Worst of all, everyone has phones so there's no such thing as truly being on your own. No sailors or brave explorers who say goodbye to their loved ones, not knowing if their postcards will ever arrive.
Nah, you can just text your wife or parents whenever you feel like it, and they'll text you every day. You really have to force things if you still want an adventure, and that means it feels artificial and pointless.
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>>2424188
I still get to talk with locals but in mostly non touristy places, like way deep into some rural place in Spain with 0 tourist. My basic spanish was good enough to understand some jokes. 
Even in Italy I had a good moment in some mountain villages. 
Although it’s much easier when you’re alone and not a complete sperg. 

You gotta flee most touristy places if you want to avoid these.
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>>2424879
I do relate, it has become very hard to disconnect from home while on the road.
I wonder if people born after 2000 can even imagine not being in touch with their family for weeks at a time, checking their e-mails once or twice a week and sending the occasional postcard to grandparents and other interested friends and relatives.
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>>2424188
>>2424190
>>2424192
>>2424196
Who hurt you faggots lol
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OP here - wow, this thread is still going? Since you guys seem to think I'm full of shit, I'll post some food reviews from my travels to show you that yes, I've been around and tried a thing or two.

To start things off, here's a Ukranian borscht that I ate at a restaurant in Vancouver, BC. Very highly rated restaurant, the staff were visibly eastern european, looks colorful and authentic. The soup was the blandest fucking thing I have ever eaten. I am genuinely impressed that they managed to take the concept of a rich stew full of meat and vegetables and make it taste like absolutely nothing. It's like getting filled up and putting on calories without any of the satisfaction of actually eating food. The whole time I found myself wishing I had just bought a nice, salty, smoky, juicy hamburger, you know, something with actual flavor.

The peppers were alright, but they were stuffed with waaaay too much feta and I couldn't finish them.
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Moving on, here's a proppa English pie that I ate at a historic pub in York, UK. Supposedly it had all kinds of interesting game meats in it, such as venison and cornish hen. I couldn't taste the difference -- the whole mess inside the pie simply tasted vaguely "brown", without any distinct notes of savoryness, or spice, or herbs. The gravy was thin and watery and did not add much flavor-wise. It was served with uninspired mashed potatoes and a pile of sad, completely unseasoned, flavorless steamed vegetables.
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This is a tafelspitz that I ate in Vienna. Ate it at a local, homey cafe far from the touristy circle, but the interior was still incredibly nice and the service was exceptional. 

I am not sure why so many countries think wet, unseasoned meat is an acceptable "dish", but here we are. The texture was fine and the tartar-like sauce was tasty, but once again, the main dish itself tasted like pretty much nothing. At this point I could go down to walmart, grab a brisket, and put some tartar sauce on it.

>>2425301
Also I forgot to mention, but why does every fucking food item in the UK have to be covered in puff pastry? Puff pastry is not that good. It tastes dry and adds a huge amount of unnecessary calories.
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Lastly, to match the OP image, here's a baeckoffe that I ate in Alsace. Wet, flavorless meat in a flavorless broth with unseasoned potatoes cut in such a way that they neither become crispy nor absorb any of the nonexistent flavor. Served with dijon mustard for some reason (I don't know how you're supposed to fit this into a stew, but I tried it anyway, and it was mediocre). I expected that it would be something like a shepherd's pie, with some rich, buttery potatoes on top that get nice and browned by the oven and a savory broth underneath. Nope. At least the wine was pretty good.
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>>2424164
Can confirm as a kid growing up in post-soviet eastern europe. We had one show up in my little city right around the time I was born, so it was a huge deal to go there. Kids always wanted their parties there and going to it was the biggest treat you could get as a kid. Naturally it was pristine inside with immaculate service, and you would dress nice to go there, like you would for dinner at any other restaurant. It was actually really innocent and comfy looking back on it.
Coming to America and seeing how much shittier it was really shocked me. Of course now even back there it's become just as shitty and mundane.
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>>2421484
My tummy can't handle gluten so I only give it cauliflower crust pizzas from Walmart that are $5 haha
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>>2424056
>shkmeruli
>kharcho

exceptionally based and tastepilled
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>>2424056
Fair point. I think I was put off from a lot of the dishes just sounding bad. Shkmeruli might taste great but I never got around to tasting it. Some of the others like kharcho were nice when the meat was good quality but many times it was tough and gristly. 

I have not heard of the rest of those and I was in Tbilisi for a few months. 

I ate at Marge shawarma more times than I am willing to admit.
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So very few people get this
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>>2425301
That is 100% a reheated frozen pie which probably explains why it had no flavour.
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>>2424188
The trick here is to always travel and even live and work abroad the boomer way.

Stay in the foreign or expatriate district or the city. Eat out at Western restaurants, and if you want the local food, eat the toned down version for white people served at major hotel restaurants.

Always speak English, so any misinterpretations or misunderstandings aren't your fault. If you're visiting local hotspots, always go with a native tourguide whose job it is to wrangle everything so you don't have to.

Socialise with fellow travelers and foreigners, and the minority of Westernized locals and returning diaspora types.
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>>2425297
>high rated
As if that is of importance when you can just hack it and get FFF to like your restaurant on Google/etc.

I don't know if you've had this soup before (I haven't), but beetroot soup doesn't exactly scream flavor to me. Au contraire.

>>2425301
Maybe your picture is nice and sharp but the food here also looks like garbage.

>>2425307
Same here
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>>2420895 (OP)
You will find God's food grown, fabricated, and served in Hokkaido and Northeast China. 

My statement is irrefutable.
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>>2424879
This is bullshit if you go to Mexico it's basically the middle ages outside of cities no cell phone service old cars and people still riding on wagons pulled by horses and mules and no limit to the endless space.
Old pottery shards and undiscovered pyramids are still peeking out of the obscure places
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>If it was really good, americans would just make their version of it
yeah with nutella instead of tejföl
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>>2422882
You say that but Americans have never made Yorkshire Puddings which is especially weird given they're incredible filled with chilli con carne
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>>2424879
>>2424921
The age of exploration is over but there are still many places where you can have adventures, you don't have to go to the deepest jungles of the Amazonas or Papua New Guinea for that either. Just visit National Parks in Indonesi and you will have to deal with having to draw your own map, not even kidding.
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>>2420895 (OP)
Instagram, TikTok, Zoomer haircuts, rap music and American culture are popular across all regions of the worlds with the current generation- from the Balkans to Southeast Asia. There is no escape from this hell in 2023.
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>>2420895 (OP)
Maybe not a proper blackpill but trying to experience very foreign cultures feels pointless and travelling is only good for experiencing nature and societies/peoples but not cultures. I can easily appreciate, enjoy and somewhat 'understand' Western cultures and westernized cultures by being there but in the case of rather alien cultures and subcultures (such as ethnic minorities, think of some small unique ethnicty in India, Burma or Nepal) it just boils down to superficialities such as eating food, listening to music, looking at architecture, clothing etc. Especially in the case of smaller minorities where there is little public knowledge even among western academia. Tbh there aren't many things that these cultures of to offer to a Western person in an industrialised world anyway but even if you ignore that:
There is the lack of understanding the language and even if there was the will to change that then there are often no books at all, or any kind of language learning material for the lesser known languages. There are no museums (the earliest museum we know is from Ennigaldi-Nanna's museum from Neo-Babylonia but the museum is effectively a rather western concept nowadays and is not the norm outside of the West or foreign major cities) or books (often a foreign concept) or anything alternatively to learning about these cultures beyond the superficial stuff. I guess these cultures share knowledge more verbally and within social classes.
The first Hindu temple or Stupa seems interesting but after that it boils down to "what am I doing here?" and the interest in these cultures and societies wanes. I remember being smug about dumb western girls talking about experiencing foreign cultures and knowing that they approach was shallow since I was the TrueTraveller going to more remote places but I realised that I wasn't getting more 'experience' in a certain way either.

>>2428469
Oh yeah that's a true blackpill.
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>>2420895 (OP)
The only real way to "travel" is to live with a native in the country you're visiting for an extended amount of time (at least a week)
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>>2420895 (OP)
Philly Cheesesteaks taste really good and range from garbage to serviceable outside of Philadelphia
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>>2424188

1. Italians hate tourists because most are brainlet retards who visit cities for IG selfies and aren't interested in learning anything about the culture. Been to Venice and everyone converges to Rialto/San Marco while the rest of the city's gems are relatively underrated.

2. Most tourists don't even bother trying to learn the basics of the language which irritates the local folks a lot. Learn a bit of the language before you go there and their attitude of you will change drastically.

3. Find a local guide if you want to visit local places without knowing some of the language this way you won't pass off as a weirdo.

The moment you show some interest in speaking their language and respecting their culture they become very friendly with you. But if you act like every faggot that visits and speak only english to waitresses and do zero effort to be understood they'll treat you like another tourist cash cow.

Italian is not even that hard to learn, it's not like french where it's a clusterfuck of a learning process for an english speaker.
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>>2425297

Your first mistake was going to an eastern european joint hoping it would be rich food when it's some of the simplest ingredients you can think of. Most places just come up with grilled meat and potatoes with the borscht which is basically just a few vegetables put in a soup.

Plus you went to a Ukrainian spot in Canada, where they got used to the pro-ukraine simping and give absolutely zero fucks about their product since people will give them their money regardless.
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>>2421152
>sicily
>best olives

baby's first mediterranean trip
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>>2425311
>>2425307
>>2425301
>>2425297
the food isn't the problem here it's your yankified taste buds destroyed by a lifetime of hfcs, hot sauce and lawrys in every meal
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>>2428778
I'm not learning a language to appeal to a bunch of hostile snobbish fucks. I don't understand people like you, "I better learn their language or they'll treat me like shit". So treat me like shit, I'll do the same and take my business elsewhere. I don't care.
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>>2425297
>>2425301
>>2425307
>>2425311

>muh seasonigga

Listen Tyrone not everything needs orange chemical powder on it to be seasoned
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>>2424188
Are you charismatic and widely liked back home? The real ''blackpill'' is that if you're an unlikeable sperg back home it will be even worse abroad where you don't understand the local culture and the language and lack the confidence and intuition to get through it.
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>>2424159
I'm from Eastern Europe, a pretty poor country, and this hasn't been the case for at least twenty years. Twenty years ago when they first opened it was only middle class and richfags from cities that would go there for the sake of novelty, nowadays anyone can afford it, but there's very little reason when you can get a good meal for the same price as some shitty fries and a small burger.
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>>2425297
>>2425301
>>2425307
>>2425311
Amerimutts after eating liters of corn syrup and sugar
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People don't really care that you're "well traveled" or anything. There was a guy at my work who had taken off for 2 years between jobs and traveled the world, saw like 20-25 countries and a lot of really cool stuff. It was a fun conversation topic for 15 minutes then every time he'd bring it up again people would roll their eyes and talk about how they thought he was annoying behind his back
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>>2428853
>act like a retard
>get treated like a retard
Enjoy your chicken alfredo, nigger
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>>2420895 (OP)
It's almost like your taste was shaped by whats closest to your environment you brainlet retard
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>>2428853

1. You're retarded as fuck if you think italians are snobbish, try the french, koreans, chinese folks and see how they treat you.

2. You'd behave the same, or even worse if you had chinese people or jeets who can't speak english visiting your establishment.

3. Most places treat you just fine, dunno why it's always you antisocial fucks complaining in here when the only places you go to are tourists traps and act like total spergs with the local folks

I drove around italy to cities with little to no tourism and never had issues and im not even fluent in the language.
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>>2428953
Yeah this. The only time it matters is when you meet someone with similar interests, or a person from the places you're familiar with. Braindead normies don't give a fuck about the world beyond their shitty suburban house and where they go to work. 

>>2428853
>I'm not learning a language to appeal to a bunch of hostile snobbish fucks.
This. If you're planning on spending a significant amount of time in a country, that's one thing. But it's stupid to expect you to care if you're only gonna visit for like two weeks and never return.
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>>2429384

Learning some words to get around takes 3 hours of your time at most.
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>>2421073
looks like papa johns pizza with an egg cracked on top
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>>2428778
The exact opposite is true outside of Europe. If you're white, people secretly look down on you for trying to blend in with the natives. If instead you carry yourself with the quiet confidence and haughty attitude of a British colonial governor during Victorian times, or the endearing ignorance and assumed superiority of a post-WW2 American, they'll hate your guts, but they'll respect you.
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>>2429762
>If instead you carry yourself with the quiet confidence and haughty attitude of a British colonial governor during Victorian times, or the endearing ignorance and assumed superiority of a post-WW2 American, they'll hate your guts, but they'll respect you.
This. Don't understand english? Well let me speak more slowly for you. Still don't understand? Well let me speak English with an affected accent of your country for you. Still don't understand? Well here's Mr. Thomas Jefferson to do my talking for me.
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>>2429762
>quiet confidence and haughty attitude of a British colonial governor during Victorian times
Exceptionally based
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>>2423259
>family needs pig farm, buffalo sick, or sister needs college funds
heard em all friend
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>>2420941
I can't take
>Muh sugary bread!
Seriously as a good faith criticism while, Euros takes their non sugary bread and cover it in chocolate sprinkles for breakfast.
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>>2420998
Enjoy your mad cow
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>>2431407
He said European food not British "food".
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>>2422865
>>2423120
I have been to most of the Georgian restaurants in DC. They range from good to great, never been disappointed. To the point of this thread, yes, it is largely an underrepresented cuisine. Not sure about whether that alone makes it an "undiscovered gem"
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>>2431408
Still significantly higher rates than in the US, sucka
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>>2420895 (OP)
>>If it's not available on shelves in America, there's probably a reason for it.
yeah, the reason is that most amerifatties have the tastebuds of gigantic, morbidly obese babies
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>>2420895 (OP)
"Fine quisine" =/= richfag restaurants. Fine qusine is spare and can be pricy but also can be middle to even cheap while having most tasty food on menu. The real bumer is, that your richfag establishments of foregin cuisine in your own country serve 2nd hand dishes that are prepared to be "tasty" for the citizens of country which the restaurant is located. In other words, you eat something which usually taste totally different than orginal stuff. You can say that there are some richfag restaurants that use original recipes and products that are flied over from country of restaurant theme, but those are the few, very few. Its like climbing the mountain. Of course you can pay 100k to be piggybacked on top of mt everest to brag about being on top of the world, but i think that climbing on your own on even 3500m mountain can be a tastier expirience. Superb mountains are all over the place, some are well known, some are hidden gems, the same with the food/restaurants. OP views are typical hamburger nonsense, written by a man without any taste whatsoever.
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>>2420895 (OP)
I had puffin in Iceland and it was pretty good. It's illegal in the USA so your post is fake and gay
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>>2421073
Looks like stuffed pussy lips
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>>2420895 (OP)
There’s no reason to learn another language other than if you’re staying there forever or want to coom
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There are some cultures that like their food raw and unseasoned (Argentinians) and some cultures that put 1kg of spices into any Dish (India).

>You should not never trust an Indian review of an Argentinian restaurant and vice versa
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>>2420980
most fine dining now takes peasant dishes and elevates them with the best versions of their ingredients and the skills/experience of the staff
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>>2432660
Shut up
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>>2420980
>Variation within-group is usually greater than between groups
What does this mean
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>>2432908
The low class and high class Americans are more different than the average American and average Mexican
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>>2428936
True.
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>>2420895 (OP)
I ate roast pork in a village in Serbia and it was the best meat I ever tasted.
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>>2420895 (OP)
i wouldn't trust a chinese buffet ran by a white man.

i wouldn't trust a mexican restaurant ran by a white man.

there's a reason why taco bell failed everytime they opened up a spot in mexico. taco bell could actually be succesful in south america but it would have to be an entirely different menu with completely different ingredients.
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>>2420897
To add on to this there are restrictions against some food imports because of food safety standards, to prevent the spread of pests/disease, or to protect US food producers from competition. Alternatively some foods are just too hard to transport, go bad too fast, or there aren't enough people from a specific culture to make it economically worthwhile to import.
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>>2433970
heh, come over sometime and I can show you something that tastes even better ;)
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>>2434039
Address?
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>>2434512
2311 Central Ave, Billings, MT 59102
See you soon big boy ;)
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>>2434002
I live in San Antonio, and while we have great Mexican food, I go to Taco Bell more than anywhere else.
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>>2434553
Based
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>>2420895 (OP)
You can't import good fruits (green bananas shipped for a month can't compare to a fresh yellow one from a tree)
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>>2434002
>Thread is about food availability in America
>Mentions Mexico for some odd reason

Sure, maybe someone in rural Chihuahua can't get access to real Ethiopian food as they're taking an acid bath in an empty warehouse. I'll give you that. In civilized countries we can get our pick of Taco Bell or actual Mexican food any time of day.
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>>2420998
>Find locally grown apple in US
>Eat it
>Throw up knowing this is worse for me than a piece of cheap deep fried beef butchered by a migrant in Germany
Many such cases. EU is truly superior
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>>2421152
>t. has shitty resistance against basic microbes
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>>2424879
>underwater
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>>2421175
>>2422974
shit post
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>>2421152
>The best food goods in the world are found in large, rich countries like US and China because they have the most wealthy consumers that will pay for the best food imports from all around the world.
Until the moment when the industrialists prefer to produce locally instead of importing and make you believe that it is the same quality. And guess what?
It sucks
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Why does any discussion of travel inevitably devolve into morbidly obese fat fucks talking about stuffing their fat fucking gullets?
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>>2420895 (OP)
>>"Local delicacies" range from mediocre deviations of existing food to outright terrible
Local delicacies usually are the original dish that a US abomintaion is based on
>>"Hidden gems" of the culinary world basically do not exist. It's 2023, we know what's good and what isn't.
Only if you are talking about traveling in the West and the developed Asia
>>If it's not available on shelves in America, there's probably a reason for it.
Probably because it doesn't include HFCS or because it is organic and fresh
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>>2421073
Had this shit once, its got to be the most overrated shit ever. 

Its good, cheesy bread always will be, but its exactly just that; cheesy bread.
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>>2420920
>Food that isn't super cheap and chock-full of sugar just isn't competitive in the American market
false
only poor people eat that stuff
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>>2420980
>economist here
Opinion discarded. I didn't even read the rest of your post.
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>>2421563
There are, you just have to look for them.
>>2420941
When you say 'American bread', what do you mean? Like the bread you find in grocery aisles at the stores?
I had to start cooking most my own food after traveling because it can't compare to food overseas. The dishes we get in most fast food and even most resturaunts just throws too much on there. Some of the best food in Italy I had was just like 4 ingrediants and it was amazing. Keeping it simple really helps.
But when you do find a good resturaunt here in America, don't tell anyone. Keep it to yourself and close family/friends.
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>>2420895 (OP)
I was the first in my family born outside of Greece and what I noticed is: 

Until very, very recently Greeks didn't eat what wasn't out of season making their food far better. I grew up eating figs because my grandparents had a fig tree in Long Island that they pruned and wrapped in housing insulation. But supermarket figs in the USA shipped from Florida, California or other countries like Chile or whatever always taste like crap by comparison. 

This is the American mentality when it comes to food: 
Ship avocados from somewhere in the world at all times to New jersey. Preferably Mexico, but when it is not in season from the Mexican cartels they likely ship them from Chile or something, and on and on. 

In Greece if you go to a zaxaroplasteio(sweet shop) and ask for the grape must pudding outside(moustaleveria) too far outside of grape season they simply won't make it. Further when figs are out of season in Greece they won't ship them from all over the world(they'll taste like crap anyway). 

They pick most fruits, vegetables when they are far from ripe then they use some artificial gas to prematurely ripen them when they are close to arriving at a supermarket shelf. I have noticed that when I make burgers and I eat the leftover tomatoes portions plain so as to not throw them out that the tomatoes which are almost always out of season don't taste good standalone. 

American food doesn't taste good because of this national mentality.
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>>2436468
>You have to go to niche stores if you have anything approaching subtlety in your palate.
I guess you had a Biden moment and forgot what you were reading mid-sentence
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>>2436468
That might be true in some rural areas with one grocery, but you don't have t go to Ralphs if you live in a city. Every major US city has bakeries and farmer's markets.The reason people go to a large grocery in the US is convenience. It's one stop with endless variety. But literally every Ralphs, Safeway, Kroger, Alvertson's and Costco in the US has fresh baked baguettes, fresh produce and fresh meat. They just cost more than the frozen processed shit that's filled with sugar and basedbean oil. 

I'm really allergic to basedbean oil, so I really can't eat food that comes from a box. I can get plenty of fresh food at literally any grocery store. The average produce section in the US is larger than most of the grocery stores I've seen anywhere in Europe. I bet your grocery doesn't have 8 different types of apples.
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>>2424056
>be turd worlder
>have mediocre cuisine made with basic ingredients that exists in at least 8 other cultures
>give dishes retarded exotic sounding names like Khashboj and Jokgoyslopia
lmao
stop posting and eat your totally unique beef stew and boiled chicken in silence
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>>2437737
Produce in the first world comes in a wide range of comfortable mediocrity.
In the second and third world you don't have this safety, and you have to gamble or know your way around markets to distinguish between shit and the best fruits and vegetables you've ever tasted.

Even if you go to actual farmer's markets in the West you'll still end up with relatively bland tomatoes, radishes and melons despite them being fresh and long-lasting.
In developing countries your fruits, vegetables and salads from the market will go bad much quicker but if you picked well you'll end up with a tastier meal.
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>>2421073
You can get this all over LA there's a great place in Hollywood and it's the best drunk food there is.
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>>2437692
Do europeans seriously think anyone cares about their butthurt walls of text?
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>>2438231
Agree to disagree. I'll take a tomato grown on the eastern shore of Maryland over any tomato in Italy. You don't need to know shit about corn. You walk up to any farmers market in the southeastern US and pick out 4 ears of white corn and it'll be the best corn you've ever eaten. You'll never eat better berries than the ones they grow in Washington and Oregon. Every area has their specialty. I buy lamb that comes from New Zealand, snow crabs from the arctic and oranges from Florida in my local grocery. They didn't have anything close to that variety anywhere Ive been in Europe.
--- 2438388
the ultimate blackpill: women will not throw themselves at you just because you are a foreigner. the kind of women that are open to fucking you have already been ran through by miles of cock.
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>>2438309
Shut the fuck up, mutt
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>>2438806
No guns no NODs no Trucks lmao
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>>2420895 (OP)
Food isn't a meme, THOUGH. You aren't getting authentic Texas BBQ anywhere in the world except Texas. The same goes for many other cuisines.
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>>2438806
Bitchasd nigga
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>>2438814
theres no spice on that brisket

I ate it once, tasted like smoke.
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>>2438814
Memphis had the best BBQ Ive ever eaten and it's not even close. But that dies look like a good plate of meat. But you fucked up. Never order Turkey or Sausage. You always want ribs and pulled pork. Ordering grilled meat in Europe is laughable after you've eaten any American BBQ.
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>>2420895 (OP)
>Travel Blackpills
positive recommendations from people in your social circle are worthless. they are not going to admit they had a shit time because it makes them look like idiots, so everything they done was great, except for 1 thing which was out of their control and so they weren't to blame.
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>>2421134
I am not sure whether this is ironic or not but it's the absolute truth and no irony will change this fact of life.
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>>2438806
>having a superiority complex because your country has food shortages
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>>2420895 (OP)
trv blackpill: if you live overseas long enough, you WILL become racist to a greater or lesser extent; it is impossible to live in foreign countries among alien cultures and not begin to notice patterns and commonalities.
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>>2438807
>>2438820
>>2439406
>>2438309

I'm not even the one who wrote this post: >>2437692

>>2438820
You write like a nigger, no wonder seeing how the nigger is worshipped in Muttland

>>2438807
Eat garbage and shit food without taste. Uncultured and proud. You don't even have proper cheese. Embarrassing. You're literally like that movie Team America. Going to spoonfeed you: It's not a compliment.
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>>2438322
You do know that you're comparing two first world countries?
The poster was talking about the third world where agriculture only serves the local population and therefore didn't adapt its produce to global shipping standards.
A Thai dragon fruit or a Turkmen water melon will go bad quickly but as long as it is fresh it will taste much more intensely than whatever Spanish or American fruits you can get.
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>>2420895 (OP)
Hamburger helper is available on shelves in the USA , the reason real food isn't available in American shelves is because it's not the kind of stuff a pig would eat out of a trough that you people are used to
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>>2440012
I would take hamburger helper over an """authentic""" "flåégesbrok" that's really just two boiled turnips drizzled in olive oil.
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>>2421073
i have a georgian bakery that sells this right next to me in nyc
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>>2421073
georgia is a state in the US you absolute mong
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>>2420895 (OP)
travelfags need to stop be so homosexual, there are 5 restaurants in sweden alone (where i live) that i am confident none of you know and that serves food many swedes havent tasted before, let alone travelfags from abroad and no, i will not spread them on 4chan, i know the owners of 2 of the places
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>>2440525
It's a country