lit/21909823.txt

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--- 21909823
Hi everyone. We did an interview with Ryan/K. R. Hartley, the editor of &amp magazine. It'd mean a lot (especially, I'm sure, to him) if you could check it out and hear his voice and the enthusiasm he has for /lit/ and the work he did for &amp. He goes into some neat history about former /lit/ projects like the Quarterly and the Moby Dick commentary, as well.

https://youtu.be/GqFXfR9BYZk [Embed]
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>&amp
Christ how long have I been on this fucking website?
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>>21909823 (OP)
I never submitted to &amp but really pulling for this dude. I hope we see him on the other side clean and sober because he gives off great vibes
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>>21909823 (OP)
Can you post a link to the Unreal Discord?
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>>21909961
There is no Unreal Discord. Whatever you have heard is merely rumors and creative fiction.
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Reminder that the appeal to retarded schizoposting is what killed &amp. The first few issues had some genuinely good shit tho, The Justice System is still hilarious to me.
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>>21910150
Many would argue that drugs killed &amp
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editor is alive. dude was posting on the &amp insta earlier today. hope he’s stayed off the crack.
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>>21910172
I'm more concerned about the fentanyl.
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>>21910203
We all have our vices. I bet you drink too much or something. Don’t act so superior. If life throws enough shit at you you could end up just like him.
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so are we still getting more &amp ?!
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>>21910142
the hosts shut it down after getting exposed for doxxing someone they had drama with
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So is it pronounced 'lamp' or 'amp?'
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>>21910475
It's "ampersandamp"
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>>21910475
It’s pronounced “amp.” That’s short for “Amplify Trans Voices”
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>>21910172
Finally, some good news. I hope he wasn't just high on coke when he did the interview.
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>>21910273
Ok, one of the editors for /unreal/ here. I was behind the Oriental project 
None of the editors (nor any contributors to our projects as far as we are aware, but that's a lot of people who we are not responsible for anyway) have engaged in doxxing of any sort 

For about half a year now however, a number of individuals have taken issue with us, very likely for no other reason than we are trying to do something that goes beyond the board (because people here can be stupidly bitter and unhinged as we should have been prepared for) and this is the source of such rumours. Our server was first targeted by a number of raids by what we believe to have been a group of two or three, but utilising many more alt accounts than that. 
We then did what we could to identify the people behind this (not their real identities, just what information they themselves had already made available) and when this was discovered several of us received threats of violence and doxxing ourselves. Now, we aren't too worried about that actually happening, but this is the source of the rumours that we engaged in doxxing ourselves. 

Most posters saying this are probably from one of these individuals and if not they are responding to it being posted by these individuals at an earlier time

Because this situation became so much of a headache we decided to shut down the public server, what is the point after all if it leads to stupid shit like this instead and actually harms productivity?

However, someone convinced us to simply give the server to a trustworthy individual and let him turn it into a server for Writing /General/. A lot of those guys were already in the server, have contributed to unreal projects and so they can have it. The server should no longer be a target as unreal is not involved in admin any more or using it. We will however continue to drop by in order to share our podcast and ask for submissions for future projects

You can join the new server here https://discord.gg/HpuC4XPB
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>>21910981
update: sent the account a dm and it’s not editor, it’s some other dude running the account while editor is sorting out his life
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>>21911059
Please explain how this is evidence of doxxing on our part?

Ari, the individual mentioned in your screenshot (possibly was not one of those involved in the raiding/ threats but we won't ever be able to confirm) was not doxxed by any of us. That is a discord username

In no sense is identifying malicious individuals openly in the way we did (not revealing personal information or going after them in real life, if we even could) doxxing

It is also very clear from the way you communicate you are a member of this malicious group, it's entirely transparent, any outside viewer can see. 
You will be banned on site if you are found under a knew name stirring trouble in the new server btw, this is the agreement we have with the new owner
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>>21911034
Maybe it's one of the guys the &amp editor mentioned in the interview. I wonder if anyone is going to pick up &amp in his absence either
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I just wanna write for gods sake. How dare you interfere with /lit/ publications?
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>>21911034
There is a pathetic guy dead set on stealing the editors social credit so probably him. Since editor doxxed himself I'm not gonna give a shit about any account claiming to be him until he emerges again.

>>21911159
>is going to pick up &amp in his absence
I saw Ogden Nesmer debating some kind of mini-&amp issue to keep the torch burning, some others might be too
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It's weird hearing these guys talk about a thread in which people were shitting on the HMS Mariana story for having plot holes. I remember that thread and posted in it. We're almost famous bros
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this is some of the gayest shit to come out of lit. i can't wait for the &amp saga to be over.
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Judging by this podcast the &amp guy seems pretty cool. Where do you guys place accent from? I'm not even sure if he has an accent per se or if it's just the rhythm of his speech and his voice or what but I think he talks differently than what I hear where I'm from but he also doesn't sound southern or like a northeastern New York/ Jersey guy. Anyways all this talk about and activity from &amp and unreal really inspire me to write and make me want to write at my best level. Cool stuff they're doing.
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>>21911386
He's Canadian. And same. Shit like this gets me pumped.
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>>21910990
So dumb to shut down the server though. All momentum immediately lost.
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>>21909823 (OP)
Whatever we might think of the actions portrayed as of Unreal as of late, they've always been good at interviews and this—this is something special. &amp. Let that be the focus. Great stuff. Hoping all will be all right with the Editor.
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Is the guy in this podcast (&amp editor) the same guy that made that thread a couple weeks ago? The thread that read like a series of strange, rambling stream of consciousness journal entries. If so he seems alright in this podcast compared to that thread, for sure.
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>I was away from /lit/ for awhile, and when I came back F. Gardner had 17 new books.
Kek. He's such a prolific world famous author of Call of the Crocodile and other books from the Horrors Call series which are books set in Chicago that are connected but can be read in any order.
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>>21911557
Yep. I believe this interview was recorded before that though.
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>>21911460
Have you ever submitted anything to &amp or unreal or any others?
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I have a section of a notebook that I use just to jot down ideas for potential novels, poems, essays, and mostly short stories. At this point there's hundreds of things in there ranging from one sentence ideas to paragraphs to short outlines. Whenever I decided to try to write I can't think of anything I want to write about so I refer to my ideas notebook and flip through it and don't want to write from any of the ideas I have written down so I just put it all away for next time. I think I'm just lacking the self-discipline to be a writer. I'm not going to make it guys.
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>>21911781
Post skitzobook
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>>21909823 (OP)
Honestly listening to this and hearing how on the roll Unreal and &amp and the lit scene in general is has inspired me to dig out some old stories I was working on. Will submit to Unreal if the stories are worth anything.
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>>21909823 (OP)
damn. didn't know he was that into Unreal. They had a genuine literary circle going it seems. Shame editor went and fucked himself over with drugs, there were sparkles of greatness there.
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>>21912244
Honestly, seeing how buddy buddy the two were kinda vindicates all those "writer from Unreal here hope you get better" comments on the thread where editor was saying goodbye and talking about being arrested for crack. Sounds like ryan didn't have a lot of other friends in his life who were sound minded, and once he got arrested there was no way for the discord guys to contact him and send their condolences save for through that thread.
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>coronameron and annotated Moby dick anons worked on &amp
I ironically very cool to know
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>>21912296
Losing his buddy the first year of COVID hit him really hard. You can tell in that thread where he had hoped his buddy would read and tell him what he thought of Chicken World.
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This is an &ampersnapdt post
based
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I'm going to reply to my own post with based
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>>21912720
based
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>>21912720
>>21912734
Not that anon
Based
>inb4 samefag
Lol
Baded
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Great listen desu
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>>21912083
We'd love to have you. Rising tide, and all that.
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Bump
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Did my essay on overpopulation ever make it in?
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>>21909823 (OP)
Bump
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>>21909823 (OP)
Is there any way I can still get the moby dick /lit/ commentary?
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>>21915083
Was that for the nonfiction anthology?
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>>21915880
https://www.lulu.com/shop/herman-melville-and-anonymous/moby-dick/paperback/product-7wgny7.html
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>>21910229
Probably not for a long time but I’m thinking of starting a successor magazine.
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>>21916203
cool, I’m down to collab if you need a coeditor. do you have any experience with publishing or design?
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>>21915927
>https://www.lulu.com/shop/herman-melville-and-anonymous/moby-dick/paperback/product-7wgny7.html
THANKS
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>>21916357
No, no experience obvs
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Bump
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>>21916554
Why do you say 'obvs?' If someone says they're thinking about doing some project, and that's all they say about it would you think it's automatically implied that they have no experience with the thing they intend to do?
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Bump editor where are you
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>>21918902
I don't think he's coming back for a while. This is just like his hiatus from earlier where he vanished inexplicably due to being arrested.
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>>21910219
Fentanyl isn't a vice; it's a substitute for suicide.
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>>21909823 (OP)
saw F Gardner shilled this magazine recently. never heard of it before that. might check it out sometime.
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>>21921352
Thanks for stopping in Frank
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>>21922374
Is that what the F stands for? I thought it stood for Fag.
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Bump
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Strike 2.
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>>21917994
Wasn’t me there lol but I’ve self published already. I love &amp’s magazine format and would ideally aim to replicate it to a T. But no, no experience stringing together multiple stories and making graphic art but it sure looks fun to trial and error it!
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https://discord.gg/nVMwgNqh
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>>21924489
Keep us posted man. I'll contribute or at least support it in any ways that Im able to as long as it seems like it will be cool and not some bullshit
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>>21925473
Glad to see the interest. Tell you what, I'll learn how to actually publish magazines the way Hartley did and THEN I'll eventually return for some schizo call threads for submissions, help etc.
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Bumping
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>>21924489
i feel the same, i just want to see it continue at a reasonable and steady/reliable pace, and give the editor room to be healthy and focus on his health and what he loves sans the stress. im just one anon with less talent than i act like i have, but im willing to step up. who else is?
--- 21928894
Hey boiz.
Editor anon here. Or I guess you know my name now anyway. I want to apologize for seriously lolcowing myself, going crazy and abusing myself (it’s not the first time as most of you know). I am out of jail now for a sec but I’ll be back there soon for some more comeuppance. 
I’ve decided to share the inbox and some website assets with some anons to better democratize &amp and help secure a brighter future for it. I don’t go back to jail for about another month, and in the meantime I’m going to be finishing some book reviews before I jump into a new issue of &amp or any other projects. I have a tendency to fill my whole plate while I’m sober and motivated and then let my efforts spoil and rot once I’m down and out, but I’m very serious about the book reviews and &amp in general so you can count on me to do that. 

My gf and I read this thread last night and, man. There were tears. Which sounds gay but I have to say that the support blows my mind and breaks my heart. I’ll leave it at that lest I expose myself as emotional (okay).

I’m setting up everything now to hand over some of these reins, so bear with me, and bump the thread, and I’ll give an update this afternoon. Also if you don’t believe me when I say that I’m him, the only proof I have to offer before I drink this coffee and eat breakfast is this super shitty webpage template that I stashed when I was working: 
https://lamp your.com/test
Talk very soon.
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>>21928894
Lampbylit.com/test
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>>21928900
wtf? 
Is this where you're staying while you recover, bro?
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>>21928894
Bump and wishing you the best man
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>>21928948
Heh nah. I made that website for them a couple years ago. I just often use the &amp site as my professional dumping ground for work projects. 
>>21928987
Thanks king. A bit embarrassed desu but I’ll live.
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>>21928987
>>21909823 (OP)
>>21909946
I’m mad at interrupting people kek 
Great interview tho. Miles and Oggy you guys are real princes.
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>>21928894
Sure thing pal, besides -- you're the only game in town without LitQuarterly and PineCone guy. Keep up the good work.
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>>21928894
I hope your GF helps you get your life in order.
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>>21929748
Thanks man. Means a lot.
I’ve just passed over the keys to the Cadillac. Some new editors and administrators coming onto the scene.
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>>21929798
who are the new editors? are they the same ppl who’ve helped you edit in the past?
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>>21928894
ey man, we're all human here. ive said to you before, im in it for the long haul and am here to help out any way i can.
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>>21929821
>who are the new editors?
also, this^
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>>21929821
>>21929903
my friend jet and my friend fin are in the cockpit now. i'm going to focus on the book reviews and start prepping for issue sixteen and they're going to handle the Greatest Hits and some other Compilation stuff respectively. i'm excited. i lost access to my Canva account so all magazine design going forward is from the drawing board. keks for miles
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enormous shout out to Unreal for being the heroes we deserve
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>>21929798
Sucks about the drugs. Do they seriously keep sending you to jail over it? Who does that help? 

Tough call handing things over but I can respect it. Do you trust these new people or are they just internet randos? The benefit of a dictatorship is unity of command. I can easily imagine this whole project disintegrating once its fate is decided by more than one. Internet autists will fight over any scrap of imagined power they perceive can be possessed. They can be extremely narrow-minded and may not buy into the idea that this project is cooler than them. 

Question: can this process be reversed? Are you temporarily delegating in absentia or are you officially relinquishing direction over the project? Because you have done an admirable job despite your issues.
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>>21930111
I’m pretty sure that the greatest hits guy is the best-of editor switching identities again. Both of the new guys might be him considering his track record.
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>>21930122
Ah. Are we dealing with a fabulist here?
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>>21930082
>all magazine design going forward is from the drawing board. 
This might be an issue
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>>21930082
We’re all rooting for you editor anon. You’ve done a lot of work to make a bunch of weirdos feel good about their writing.
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>>21930082
>i lost access to my Canva account so all magazine design going forward is from the drawing board
3ditor here. I can send over the Canva projects for 008 and 009. Who should I contact?
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>>21930111
Checked. Can’t say too much about why I’m going to jail but I’m pretty sure I posted some actual documents the night I lost it. Pretty faggoty of me afterall. But no, jail doesn’t make things better, it’s part of the war machine and population control. 
Jet and Fin are old contributors and I trust them. I’ve always encouraged people to take &amp and make it different. I’m excited. I’ll probably help Issue Sixteen and play it all by ear. And thank you. Slay on.
>>21930995
Slay queen.
>>21930964
>>21931885
Fucking hero. [email protected]
Is my new Canva account. 
God, what an absolute G Mensch.
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>>21931885
Once more, thank you, ancient and illustrious three dimensional editor
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>>21911781
The only thing you need to do is fucking write, man.
Stop deluding yourself by thinking that all writers come up with a total and completed work and then sit down and finish it in one shot.

Do writing exercises that actually require you to do some background work, scripting, whatever. Get practice for the real deal. Stop jotting down cool ideas.

Write scene sketches and intros and endings and middles and quilt and work from there.
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I need to talk to you I know you’re lurking here I know you read these threads I don’t want to resort to making this shit public but what other choice do I have stop stonewalling me I’m so tired I can’t do this anymore I can’t go on like this
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>>21933105
>Stop deluding yourself by thinking that all writers come up with a total and completed work and then sit down and finish it in one shot
Im definitely naive at best because I honestly thought that's exactly how it was done by real writers.
>Write scene sketches and intros and endings and middles and shit and work from there.
Im going to start doing this, starting tonight after dinner.
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>>21933256
if you’re the kind of person who submits to amp no wonder it is the way it is
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>>21933105
>Stop deluding yourself by thinking that all writers come up with a total and completed work and then sit down and finish it in one shot.
I mean, if it's short enough. I wrote a 5000 word schizo rant in one go that came out pretty kino.

Still gotta suck it up and submit that to traditional mags.
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>>21933357
ok :'(
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>>21909823 (OP)
dam they still putting these out. Dope.
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>>21934383
Thanks. We're trying our best to continue making videos.
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UNREAL PRESS SRE KING AMONG MEN AND WE ARE NOT WORTHY
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>>21933186
>>21933406
Are you his girlfriend or something?
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>>21909823 (OP)
I consider myself an... inconsistent &amp reader. I'd like to try writing reviews of previous material for an upcoming issue.
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>>21936730
You want to review writing from &amp and have those reviews in a new issue of &amp? That would be very strange, I think. Especially for bad reviews. I don't think any publication would be interested in printing bad reviews of their own work. And publishing only good reviews wouldn't look too good either. I think the whole idea is weird, but then again I don't know much about that kind of stuff.
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>>21937157
>I don’t know much about that kind of stuff
 then why offer your opinion?
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>>21936730
Yeah I’m into it. &amp will print anything you give them
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>>21937178
like you do
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>>21937178
Because it was a stupid ass idea. Sometimes when someone has a stupid ass idea the nice thing to do is let them know so maybe they reconsider and instead spend their time doing something worthwhile. Printing reviews of writing in the same book series that the writings came from, dude. Does that not seem absurd to you?
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>>21936730
Given the replies to this post: Don't submit it to &amp. Go about it in an independent way. Would still be interesting.
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>>21938737
&amp isn’t a book series, it’s a magazine. that’s the important distinction here. pulp magazines have a long history of publishing critical letters to the editor/author that contain negative feedback on stories from past issues as well as supportive letters containing positive feedback. it helps to foster discussion and garner attention from people who like the drama, for better or for worse. an example of 
this would be the rivalry between HP Lovecraft and Fred Jackson that played out in the letters section of Argosy magazine, with each criticizing the other’s stories. their correspondance became an in-joke among the magazine’s readers, and helped launch both of their reputations. so no, it doesn’t seem like a weird idea to me. if a story garners a negative response it’s not a slight against &amp as a publication, it’s just commentary on that particular story. &amp publishes anything, good or bad, so incorporating a monthly section with some reader responses and reviews—like a combination of actual short reviews and shitpost responses screencapped from the previous month’s release thread—could be a way of acknowledging the sometimes absurd disparities in the quality of the content, as well as a funny homage to &amp’s message board origins. since you openly admit to knowing very little about magazines and publishing, perhaps you’re not the ultimate arbiter of whether an idea is stupid or not.
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>>21938865
>someone not retarded in an &amp thread 

A “letters to the editor” and spread of screen caps with the initial reactions when the issue drops is a cool idea.
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>>21939144
this seems reasonable.
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>>21939144
>not retarded 

I’m definitely retarded, though perhaps not in the same way as the other commenters that you were comparing me to. I’m glad that you liked the idea of the monthly section, though. The inclusion of reader critiques and commentary through letters to the editor are a major part of what I find compelling about the whole magazine format, and why the distinction between book and magazine is so crucial here.

A novel is the product of a sole author’s vision—it’s a monologue of sorts, to which the reader becomes a passive audience. But a magazine is by its very nature collaborative: it may be curated by a single editor, but it is always comprised of other people’s creations. The inclusion of multiple voices and multiple forms of content (photographs, art, fiction, poetry, reviews, letters, classifieds) make the magazine format into a fascinating dialogue in which the reader can actively participate by offering his or her own contributions. Because the roles of creator and audience become blurred, I think that the magazine format acts as a sort of equalizer, curating and
facilitating the creation and discussion of art and media in a way that hadn’t been done before the pulp zine was created. The format embodies one of the unique qualities of the internet itself: a variety of content that can be responded to and engaged with publicly, not simply consumed in isolation.

Anyway, sorry for the autistic rambling; I just find this topic really interesting. I had a whole editorial vision for potential future issues of &amp, but I don’t think that those ideas will ever be actualized now.
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>>21939805
based effortposter, that gets to the heart of what makes &amp and lit so special to me. its about working together to make something bigger than one person could make on their own. nice that the editor is passing the torch, i hope the &amp spirit doesn’t burn out
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>>21932352
how can I get in touch with the new editors?
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>>21940949
Host a séance and their spirits will approach.
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>>21939805
Editorfag here. I wholeheartedly condone your vision. Email me.
>>21940198
The fire remains inside. The torch is carried still. Thank you.
>>21940949
Same email. I gave them Gmail Delegate Access. 
>>21941361
Yes that is still the best way to contact &a move Magazine. 

This is actually an Unreal Thread tho so I’ma sage this bitxh
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Also remember:
https://lampbylit.com/elite/
Login:
anon
Password:
god
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Hold up Frank made a CYOA?
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>>21941610
Hi Gardner 
Please drown yourself 
All fields
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>>21941621
wow anonymous was a mistake 
I was literally curious
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>>21937157
In my estimation, a feature like that fits the spirit of &amp and /lit/. It's an extension of a forum. So why not include critical discussion?
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>>21942557
I think so too. At least, when it's marketed as a reader's letter; I understand the sentiment of &amp seemingly reviewing itself to be a bit off.
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>>21909823 (OP)
'So if maybe someone can be the Roeper and I get to be the Ebert-- I don't know-- "fat dead guy, dibs!"'

Kek.
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>>21941610
nesmerniggers and unrealcucks are seething rn
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>>21932352
Sent the projects. Sorry, I was away for a few days.
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>>21930122
>greatest hits guy is the best-of editor switching identities

lol, fucking obviously. ari’s new pseudonym isn’t exactly subtle.
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>>21944440
>yea i’m totally a different person haha, i just coincidentally happen to have assumed creative control over ari’s project after all of the drama and bullshit that he caused! it‘s not like i’m him or anything though, why would anyone think that? -jet, probably
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Issue 016 when
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WHEN CAN WE EXPECT BOOK REVIEWS
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>>21941458
I would email you, but I suspect that your buddy “Jet” wants me blacklisted from &amp and would just immediately delete anything that I sent before you actually got the chance to see it. 

>>21944465
Nice. I know you’re in this thread, “Jet” (I won’t deadname you). When the best-of releases I don’t want to see anything in it that is even vaguely inspired by any of the graphic design that I did or the cover mock-ups that I made or the font choices that I suggested. I’m talking absolutely *nothing.* You don’t get to treat me like I’m stupid, ridicule me, insult me, devalue my contributions, threaten me, cut contact, come back and trick me into seeing all of the cruel shit that you said about me because you want to inflict maximum emotional pain, refuse all communication, force me out of &amp, and then still take advantage of all of the work that I put in to prop up your project. If you want to do it solo then start from the beginning and actually do everything yourself. I was involved in the project from its inception and spent significant amounts of time helping to curate the content for it, bump the threads, and generate ideas for you. If you don’t want me to be involved then don’t take advantage of any of my ideas. Use the original cover you created that everyone liked less than my redesign. Use your original font choices that everyone liked less than mine. Do it all yourself and see how that works out for you.
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>>21944577
yikes
&amp drama is heating up out here 
whos side should we take, &ampchads?
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>>21944499
reviews of what books?
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>>21909823 (OP)
unrealcucks &amp interview not as based as f gardners &amp promo vid
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>>21944841
watch, it’s kino
https://youtu.be/v3fmnCBHoIc [Embed]
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>>21944577
>>21944641
Best-of bros… it’s over
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>>21944641
>>21944971
this bad blood between graphic design anon and best of anon has me feeling like i’m a kid watching my mom and dad fight and stressing out because i know i’m gonna have to choose who to stay with when the divorce is over
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>>21944577
>mfw people are posting their private beef in a public thread
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I don't wanna read this whole thread and schizo drama I have no fucking knowledge of. I just wanna know, regardless of who, what, why, or where - what is happening with the next issue of &amp?
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>>21944577
No disrespect but this all sounds really gay. Your post before re. letters to editor was insightful and in good spirit and now you act like a fag like this? Honestly cringe man. Forgiveness is the only way in life. Have more strength.
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>>21944789
&amp said he was gonna review books on his yt man.
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>>21945507
lol, the drama is that she’s a chick and they know each other irl and she was in love with him but after he said a bunch of fucked up shit about her in the unreal press discord she tried to an hero and then went crazy which is why he never finished the best of. it’s all very gay
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>>21945664
&amp has a yt? Do you have the link?
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>>21946405
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vhVkTUV7bPI [Embed]
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>>21946330
Ah. So what we’re witnessing here is a lovers’ quarrel?
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On behalf of all &amp fans:
>fuck graphic design
>fuck jet
>fuck tails of the unreal
>fuck mobb deep
>fuck biggie
>fuck bad boy
>fuck Frank Lopez
>and fuck the Diaz brothers
long-live editor anon
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>>21909823 (OP)
I'm glad I didn't submit a work to this shit storm. They even wanted to interview me and asked for a short story
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>>21947051
It is still far and away the best and most successful /lit/ collaborative project in history. Don't fall for the propaganda.
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>>21947051
Same. I was just about done with my non fiction anthology submission before the doxing shit happened. Dodged a bullet.
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>>21947037
>this
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>>21947061
What propaganda? &amp has been failing since it stopped releasing monthly issues at the end of 2021. The original editor is so troubled that he never follows through and vanishes for months at a time, and now he’s apparently handed over the reins to someone equally unrealiable, considering that the best of lost all momentum months ago and is nearly forgotten. The threads stagnated because he never came up with any clear schedule and took what was originally a group effort private. He got pissy when anyone asked for updates or criticized the way he was handling things and at the end doubled down and tried to shut down the graphic design talk which was the only thing drawing interest to the threads by that point. Now even that draw seems to be gone, considering that the main graphic design/critique anon claims to have been blacklisted because of whatever issues he has with her even though working on &amp was always open to anyone with the right skillset before. He’s alienating other contributors and tainting &amp with his personal problems like a fag instead of working them out privately for the sake of the magazine. And he’s apparently involved in the Unreal doxxing and trolling drama to boot. We all know that this site is full of schizo autists who hold grudges, so a transparent name change isn’t going to fix this mess or do anything to quell the backlash.
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>>21947311
>what propaganda
the "stupid drama is more relevant than the work that's been produced so far" propaganda
> The original editor is so troubled that he never follows through and vanishes for months at a time
as opposed to past organizers making one or two shitty things then abandoning ship? the guy made how many issues in rapid succession?
>now he’s apparently handed over the reins to someone equally unrealiable, considering that the best of lost all momentum months ago and is nearly forgotten. The threads stagnated because he never came up with any clear schedule and took what was originally a group effort private. He got pissy when anyone asked for updates or criticized the way he was handling things and at the end doubled down and tried to shut down the graphic design talk which was the only thing drawing interest to the threads by that point. Now even that draw seems to be gone, considering that the main graphic design/critique anon claims to have been blacklisted because of whatever issues he has with her even though working on &amp was always open to anyone with the right skillset before. He’s alienating other contributors and tainting &amp with his personal problems like a fag instead of working them out privately for the sake of the magazine. And he’s apparently involved in the Unreal doxxing and trolling drama to boot. We all know that this site is full of schizo autists who hold grudges, so a transparent name change isn’t going to fix this mess or do anything to quell the backlash.
you are taking this thing way too seriously. Name a single other /lit/ project that turned out better and more productive than this one.
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>>21947424
&amp’s success in the early glory days is irrelevant to the issue at hand. The original editor did good and consistent work for a while, but his chaotic life has gotten in the way and &amp has been in decline since then. When he’s back in jail and has handed over the reins to this new guy, the future doesn’t look good. The stupid drama doesn’t diminish &amps previous succcess, but it’s very relevant to &amp’s future. With the best-of editor at the helm I doubt that &amp’s productivity will continue. This shit has already caused Unreal to close their server and cancel upcoming projects, multiple contributors have walked out, and people are posting about not wanting to submit work to them anymore. I don’t want to see the same thing happen to &amp.
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>>21947498
I repeat:
>It is still far and away the best and most successful /lit/ collaborative project in history.
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>>21944577
thom-gunn-anon? is this you?
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>>21947508
Sure, when &amp was consistent it was great, so I’ll agree with you there. But you’re missing my point. The current drama likely means that &amp’s days of success are over.
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>>21947498
Unreal is doing just fine. There’s only one cancelled project and that’s unrelated to the drama which was a mountain made out of a molehill.
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>>21947498
>With the best-of editor at the helm I doubt that &amp’s productivity will continue.
Wasn't the best-of guy one of the two people that Unreal doxed and fucked with IRL?
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>>21947545
Again, nothing to do with the assertion I made. I didn't say, "&amp will be good forever" I said it is still far and away the best and most successful /lit/ collaborative project in history. You have not been able to rebut that statement at all, which tells me that you're either interested in trashing the project generally for surreptitious reasons, or you don't have any reading comprehension.
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>>21947566
The one lacking reading comprehension is you. You responded to someone calling &amp a shit storm by telling him not to fall for the propaganda, seemingly denying that the current drama is an actual problem for &amp’s future. Your point that &amp is the most successful /lit/ project to date has nothing to do with what that anon was saying, which is that the shit going on right now makes him wary of &amp in general and he doesn’t want to be associated with it. I don’t want to trash the project. I want it to stay successful and that’s why I’m concerned.
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>>21947645
the propaganda being that this drama is more relevant than writing and publishing. Yes. &amp has a great track record and was more productive and successful than any other project (by far) that this board has produced, so it's bad advice to say, "Abandon the project" because of some internal strife. 
If you want to protect your babies, get an agent and go the traditional route.
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>best-of
i only wanted a neat package where all my favorite &amp pieces and the revised and much improved versions of my stuff could coexist and i could show it to my mom and my english teachers and if there was a physical copy i would cherish it and it would be the most consistent thing to come out of /lit/ and &amp
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>>21947554
>Unreal is doing just fine

The main host who edited Tales of the Unreal left, lol. Doesn’t sound like a mole hill to me.
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>>21948182
the only person who would know that and care is the one anon trying to besmirch unreal and trash the best-of edition. 
So, hi I guess. how you been since the last thread?
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>>21948182
It wasn’t just him. Krake told all the unreal discord trannies to fuck off after the doxing. Unreal is gasping for air right now as the one guy left attempt to keep the project afloat.
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>>21948193
I’m not trying to besmirch Unreal, just pointing out that the drama has caused tons of problems for the press and people aren’t over it. I was in the Unreal discord until a bunch of people got fed up of the drama and left and then I left too after it was announced that the server was under new management. That all played out publicly, so anyone who was around for it would know. The best-of edition started out as a good idea but quickly failed due to being mismanaged, and pointing that out doesn’t mean that I’m trying to trash anything. I don’t want this guy to take over &amp and run it into the ground by mismanaging it in the same way as the best-of and letting his personal problems with other contributors get in the way of the magazine’s future.
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>>21948182
Thankfully we have two other editors on standby, and the guy who helped us get that cover art plus all the illustrations is still on the team. We've got high hopes for Tales volume 2 and anticipate a call for submissions later this summer.
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How do I send Ryan a copy of my book? I'm sure he'll like it since it is written about the neighbourhood he lives in!
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>>21948363
We're still hoping to grab an interview with you, Jason. Anytime you like
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>>21948369
I'm definitely interested as I have a lot to say, just need to finish building my adult site so I have some extra money this summer to actually buy ads for my books... been working on it for like 12+ hours a day for a month. Will be in touch soon!
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>>21948381

What’s it like being a pornstar?
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>>21948387
I'm not a pornstar, although I filmed a pornsite in Costa Rica 15+ years ago. I could've been a pornstar but I just have never had the desire to get my erect cock out in front of a group of guys just to fuck some paid chick.

I actually don't even like strippers or pornstars, I'm more into women without tattoos, who dress modestly and are at least a bit redpilled and, of course, unvaxxed.

I actually really enjoyed doing caregiving for disabled seniors, that was my favourite job. Better than selling porn. Literally getting paid a $1000 to just hang out with some old people and make them smile. So wholesome.

Much more wholesome than looking into the butthole of some anally-gaped pornstar just so you can take a screenshot and add it to a website.

I wonder if Ryan agrees that Vancouver has been in such an incredible nose-dive over the last 10 years. Right around 2015 when I moved out of Gastown in Vancouver, like 8 people I knew died that year. Dagger Mike, my old coke dealer, died from an overdose a couple days before I was supposed to pick up an 8ball! I pretty much quit right after that. I hope Ryan can get off those poisoned drugs and stick to weed and booze, if anything, as I'm 100% convinced the drugs are poisoned on purpose to kill off society's misfits so Canada can be an even more pozzed, conformist hellscape than it already is.
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Damn, Nesmer sounds like a grown-up man. Don't know why I pegged him as a twink
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>>21948415
his online persona somehow has twink energy despite him being a grown ass man with a family
--- 21948443
I've been around this board for years and due to my own apathy I've never checked out &amp or lit quarterly and all I've read of Unreal is the Tales of the Unreal book with the green cloaked being on the cover so I'm not very familiar with any of these publications (if that's the correct term. Presses? Magazines? Idk) With that being said I've been catching up on all of them lately (drama and scandals included) and Im whole heartedly rooting for them to survive, and then to thrive and grow. I thought initially that having only one lit based publication would be best for everyone involved if the cooperation and ability to make that a reality was possible. Now it's clear to me that the different ones are doing distinctly different things from one another and they should all exist concurrently. I just worry that the non-writing related shit surrounding &amp and unreal could result in.one or both of them.splintering off into more groups and next thing we know we have 8 different lit publications with everyone choosing sides and having the writers spread out thinner amongst more groups instead of having at least a little unity with all the best writers we have to offer contributing to and being presented by only a couple publications/presses with different aims. Since I know where I'm posting I don't want to sound like a retard by saying we need to stick together but I think it would help all of us most if we did that. Obviously we can't control the actions of the editors and people in control of these projects but I just really hope everything works out for &amp and Unreal and that the majority of us that are interested in what they're doing can support them and help them be the best that they're able to. I'm very excited about the future of the things we have but the (admittedly excessive at times) pessimist in me feels like it may be anxiously awaiting the landfall of a sinking ship. I don't even know why I care but I feel invested at this point and I'm hoping for the best for all involved.
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>>21948443
It will take a miracle for any of our writing to make it out of this board.

Writing is just not cool. Writing is about the least cool activity in the world and there is nobody who cares less about what you write than the average person.

Like seriously, if you have aspirations to get rich from writing, you'd have more luck drawing crude anime porn for gay furries than writing. Literally nobody gives a fuck about writing and writers.
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>>21947525
No idea who Thom is but it seems like 
>>21944577 is the anon from the best of threads who used to go by Atlas. Guess they had a falling out
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>>21948473
>It will take a miracle for any of our writing to make it out of this board.
It's been done by &amp and unreal. Granted the readership of those is probably entirely people from this board, but that could change in the future.
>there is nobody who cares less about what you write than the average person.
Sure, but maybe there's writers who aren't writing with the intention of reaching every average person. There are still readers out there. It's not like people who idk, breed hamsters are all going to quit when they realize that no average person gives a shit about hamster breeding. Not everything is done with the intention of pleasing or even reaching every average Joe.
>if you have aspirations to get rich from writing
I personally dont, and never have. Id still write (poorly, lol) even if I had to pay a monthly fee to be able to do so. I don't think the people putting these projects together are doing it with the intention of getting rich either, but I have no evidence to back that. I think you're overestimating the amount of people who are writing to get rich. Sure they're out there, but I think most of us are more realistic than that and have different intentions and motivations to write than getting rich.
>Literally nobody gives a fuck about writing and writers.
I'm not convinced that this is true.
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>>21948614
99% of the people who read &amp and Unreal content are from this board. How have they made it out?
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>>21948614
We are literally society's outcasts. Nobody will ever talk about us other than us, and crabs that hate us for even daring to try and self-express, haha.
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>>21948733
Re-read what you're responding to. I know the readers of &amp and unreal are from this board (I said that in my post, in fact) but that could change in the future meaning that it gains a wider readership that includes people from outside lit. Is it likely? Probably not, but who knows? If &amp and unreal continue on without ever growing beyond being something made for us by us, I'd be happy with that too.
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>>21948789
any 4chan group project is doomed to fail because this site is a watering hole for antisocial weirdos who can’t work together longterm bc theyre incapable of acting normal and will inevitably start shitfights and sabotage each other. the unreal hosts fucked over the press themselves by doxxing and harassing their own contributors and i have proof 

>>21948182
he left because he and his homie were about to be exposed for doxxing. he caused the drama, he’s not a victim here
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>>21948905
I don’t even know who did what, and now I don’t care. I was starting to believe this drama stuff. But the more I think about it, you seem like you’re just out for blood. I don’t even know whose or why. Post the proof or quit whining buddy. People like you irk me.
--- 21949027
What exactly is doxxing in this situation? I thought most of the contributors used their real names. Is it revealing the real name of writers that use a pseudonym?
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>>21949027
the one dude had already used his first name in &amp and on discord but they posted pics of him in multiple threads then tripfagged using his full name to do a bunch of retarded trolling. the second dude went by a pseudonym but after he called them out for harassing the first guy they pulled his full name from a submission email he’d sent and posted it + pics of his workplace + info about his parents
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>>21949004
I’m not seeing the proof. This is just a bunch of discord trannies
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>>21949085
all the people referenced are unreal members. rhyme was the main editor of tales of the unreal. toottoot was an assistant editor. melville was a server member. how is this not proof? all the unreal people are discord trannies, what more proof do you need
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>>21949085
id link the archives of threads where they doxxed people but i dont wanna spread that shit even further
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>>21949094
Its true. I am a previous unreal contributor and instead of paying me for my story (like they promised) they actually swatted my house. When the cop groped my HRT breast he shouted "this is a tranny!" and he sexually abused me. But when he looked closer to my face he realized that I'm not a tranny, I am actually the world famous author F Gardner. Ever since I am the laughinstock of my neighborhood and they all know I contributed to a mid online magazine willingly. The unreal menace must stop!
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>>21949094
Did they get someone swatted or something? Did someone prank someone’s house? I’m not getting it. I keep hearing dox, but what actually happened?
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>>21949108
If I'm reading the logs right it sounds like they called up his workplace in the hopes of fucking with his job.
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>>21949121
Yeah I see that. Who’s the South American? And did the guy lose his job over this?
--- 21949155
So can I still submit to &amp or what?? I've been saving my schizo stories for it...
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>>21949126
the south american is the assistant editor mentioned above. dunno if he lost his job but its possible. the shit he wrote about in the unreal server was some type of weird horse sex shit that could def ruin his rep if his irl friends and coworkers found out he’d written it
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>>21949155
>>21944577
Seconding this. Is there any contact information for this Jet character? I'm confused what the beef was but willing to hear anyone out
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>>21949173
lol, if the jet guy really did some bad shit do you actually think he’s just gonna own up to it if you ask him? ofc he’ll say whatever makes him look good. impossible to find out what really happened but dragging his personal drama into &amp is enough of a bad sign on its own
--- 21949243
How does it even happen that 1 or 2 anons decide to make an online magazine and this amount of faggot drama is able to generate from it?
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>>21949243
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>>21949243
1 or 2 anons succeed, 3 or 4 anons get jealous
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>>21949264
This is behind most drama in my experience. Also a lot of people just have shit work ethic and rather than actually write something or say produce a single magazine/anthology/podcast on their own they will leach onto a successful start-up and just hang around the threads/discord of that group all day while giving themself titles and talking about 'their project'
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>>21949291
basically 
https://warosu.org/lit/thread/21870704#p21873214
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>>21949302
Not even trying to bully that guy but yes.
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>>21949291
Writing is the easiest part of being a writer.

Getting anyone to read and review your shit is the most difficult part. Someone gave me a 5-star review on Amazon, but didn't leave a review. I just want my first fucking review, and it is the hardest shit. I could get laid much easier than getting one fucking person to read my shit. Writing is, by FAR, the easiest part of being a writer.
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>>21949392
>someone gave me a 5-star review on Amazon 

I bet it was your mom, kek
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>>21949173

The editor said he has delegate access so you can email [email protected] to talk to him.
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>>21949409
My mother killed herself when I was 19
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>>21949557
RIP anon’s mom, she’ll live forever in the hearts of those who knew and loved her
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>>21943582
Nesmernigger checking in
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>>21945497
Editorfsg again. I’m gonna take care of 026 ca. June/July. I have very little grasp on the drama kek so I’m laughing along. &amp has love for Frank because he’s not just any fag, he’s our fag. And I have love for any nig that wants to play in the sandbox. Fuck you fsggots that want to gatekeep writing. If dudes got exed from Unreal then fuckem. &amp is officially teamed up with Unreal for life.
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>>21947498
I’m still piloting Print Issues™. No control over that has been relinquished. Yeah I’m a faggot drug user but please. This isn’t my job. Nahm sayn? Yall get what yall get
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>>21949684
The hard copies are very high quality and I cherish the few that I bought.
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>>21949557
>unkills herself just to give her son a good review
Capital method
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>>21949108
Unreal tried to have Lucas Bineville assassinated. Very overblown!
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>>21949769
I'm thinking based
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>>21949674
Okay I can just submit to the email? A print issue sounds great. Also don't take drugs you miserable fuck I don't judge you for it but it's not good to kill yourself. I listened to you on the podcast and you sound like a good guy.
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>>21948537
Yes. I didn't want to name names, but it seems to be Atlas.
Hey, Atlas
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>>21948363
Email me bro. Admin@LampByLit
Going over the whole thread now. Fucking wild the amount of samefagging and impersonating goes on. I’m pretty sure there’s one fag ruining everything. And there’s only like four of us ITT IRL. And I know Oggy is rangeb& so that leaves three. 
>>21949107
(You)>>21949158
>>21949126
>>21948404
Buddy. Thank you. I’ve lost five homies now. Not as hard as 8 and not all of them brothers but it’s a curse for sure. Vancouver is a cursed land my dude. I mean that. Zulu said he wants to roadtrip this summer. I’m saving up for this. If anyone can make it happen it’s him. And I’m moving out of the city to my nazi compound in the gulf islands after my court. Jk sorta. Need to go back to the sea. Absolutely devastating the mess I’m in. Love you my Niagara. 
>>21948473
Based. I swear god zulu wrote this. Do you see how clairvoyant I am?!
>>21949108
>>21949121
>>21949126
Samefag. Sounds like Gardner. Remember I’m clairvoyant.
>>21949155
I’m officially opening submissions for 016 right now. HMU. And if I don’t see movement on Greatest Hits soon I’ll move on that too. The dudes in the inbox would never fuck with it. I have a drive backup for all emails and I can tell who does what. They will behave themselves. They’re either in the lab or procrastinating, very normal editor behaviour. 
>>21949243
Because Reddit-tier amounts of grooming and faggotry inevitably generate on Discord. Put a name above anybody’s comment, and watch the fun disappear.
>>21949557
Pics or it didn’t happen
>>21949769
Man I’m actually reading his book. It’s not good but it’s huge. Says something doesn’t it.
>>21950069
Okay deal. One step at a time. Submit to &amp now. Issue Sixteen shall hereby commence. I’ll put a thread up after this epic/gay thread dies. I want to hold space for Unreal. 
>>21909823 (OP)
https://youtu.be/989-7xsRLR4 [Embed]
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>>21949302
This comment is so based it gets it own reply.
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>>21949674
who’s trying to gatekeep writing?
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>>21950854
Trannies obviously
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>>21909823 (OP)
Reminder that these guys are loons. They sent an associate of theirs to my hometown, harassed my mother, asked questions about me. Luckily I wasn't there. Whole neighborhood was in a ruckus. All just because I wouldn't publish with them. Fuck Unreal Press.
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>>21951046
then everybody clapped
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>>21951046
They threatened Spencer Weedman’s family, they’re dangerous
--- 21951159
Oh yeah? You know what they did to me? Right after I submitted a story they somehow found out where I worked and sent a male stripper to my workplace. But jokes on them, everyone enjoyed it, and hey, free lap dance! Dude had a huge schlong too.
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>>21951159
Unrealcucks don’t have enough funds to pay for a male stripper, so it was probably one of their associates doing it on a volunteer basis.
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>>21951159
>>21951294
>dude had a huge schlong 

That rules out anyone involved in Unreal
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>>21951088
Who the fuck is Spencer Weedman. It's probably you cause no one knows who that is.
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>>21951585
The dude who wrote Egregore, one of the more successful /lit/ books
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>>21951585
this guy
--- 21951773
Lots of bullshit here, but Lampguy - if this is you - best wishes. You're the real deal.
--- 21951820
Don't expect this post to stay up long. Unreal is in my house right now. I declined to publish with them a week ago and today they sliced circles from the glass of my windows and killed my wife, children, and dog with a series of silenced gunshots before they let themselves inside, pistols drawn and ready. I am hiding in a closet and I can smell smoke. The only reason I could have survived is because it's Monday and they expected me to be at work. That's all I can think about right now as my entire world comes to an end: they were just trying to send a warning. I called 911 and told them what was happening and the dispatcher told me to come out of the closet and stop wasting people's time.
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>>21951702
same energy
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>>21951820
>I called 911
Ari’s back at it again, LARPing as usual.
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>>21951861
What will we ever do with the boy?
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Holy cringe
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>>21951876
which part
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Why are Unreal people like this? I thought this was supposed to be a fun collaborative project?
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>>21951885
There's two sides to every story. Some of us don't know what to make of all this yet. There is a lot of accusations flying around though.for sure.
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>>21950195
Do you have my American Psycho essay submission? Emailed it a while ago. I didn't put my pen name in the doc but you can use the name I used for "Face of Carthage." Also don't forget: repeating digits, Silian Rail font and Bone color background (like Patrick's card of course).
Do you want anything else from me for 016 like a short story? Or should I wait until 017?
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>>21950179
I doubt that she’ll be back. Using the same username for her email and her Twitter was a big mistake.
--- 21951953
Guy guys guys, I just want you to know that I'm so heckin CONCERNED right now with the way things are going with these writing groups. Yea they're productive but do they realize how CONCERNED I am? I just hope everyone is as CONCERNED as I am about REPUTATION and WHAT OTHERS THINK, because I think all /lit/ adjacent groups need to make a joint press conference live on YOUTUBE.COM AND TWITTER.COM to just address just how dang CONCERNING some things are that I- I mean totally random and uncoordinated people are spamming in every thread about months old very very SERIOUS e-drama.
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>>21951953
stop concern trolling
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>>21951953
It IS CONCERNING. I’m also CONCERED and I think I’m going to post my CONCERN everywhere I possibly can, even on REDDIT, because SUBSTANTIATED or not, it’s a BIG cause for CONCERN CONCERNING THE CONCERNED!
--- 21952003
CONCERNINGLY CONCERNED about these things that I'm CONCERNED about.
--- 21952005
Yeah this thread's dead. Going to email Ryan tonight.
--- 21952019
So this is gonna be every &amp thread now? An Unreal circlejerk until they get annoyed and start posting people's faces? I think I'm good.
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>>21952003
Yes you are RIGHT, everything is VERY CONCERNING and everyone should be CONCERNED.
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>>21952019
>unreal circlejerk
It’s unironically some bitch fucking with a boy she likes. Nothing to do with unreal, &amp, or /lit/.
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>>21952036
proof?
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>>21952026
Oh so VERY CONCERNING! But let us not worry! Tis just a little CONCERNING! Oh me, oh my!
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>>21952043
You see the faces being posted? One is the guy, the other is the girl trying to fuck with him. Don’t believe me if you don’t want, but the giveaway should be the doxxing of some girl considering there are literally no women on 4chan
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Concerning ahhhhhhhhh please pay attention to me
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>>21952057
They shd just get it on allready
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>>21952057
probably unrealcucks posting a random girls face or dragging up her info from sm in one of there secret doxxing dm groups
--- 21952070
Another great showing from Unreal. Surely this newest dox will save 4chan's literature scene.
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>>21952070
Haven’t all of these people been doxxed before?
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>>21952085
Am I supposed to follow your discord tranny drama close enough to know that off hand?
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>>21952005
Who the fuck is Ryan? Your husband?
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>>21952094
The editor being interviewed in the OP video. Did you even watch it or are you just here to shitpost?
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>>21952151
Unreal Press podcast episodes hit different when they’re on mute.
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EDITOR-SAMAAA! Come back and save us from the Unreal brotherhood’s coordinated doxxing efforts!
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>>21951820
KEK
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>>21952043
fuck you. Blow a proctologist and jump in a volcano.
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>>21952070
unironically yes.
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>>21909823 (OP)
>365 views
How small is this garbage heap?
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>>21952228
This is the 4th thread they've made advertising this one video. It's actually embarrassing.
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>>21952210
no fuck you man. i’m just asking for proof that unreal isn’t behind this shit, which it seems like they are
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>>21952216
How exactly will it do that?
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>>21952287
Every enemy of Unreal is an enemy of /lit/.
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I like Zulu Alitspas writing. Is he a villain in any of this or can I continue to root for him?
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>>21952310
Who is an enemy of Unreal? The &amp best of guy?
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>>21952311
t. Zulu
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>>21952311
Fuck off Zack Alan Smith, stop trying to shill. Your writing is garbage and you’re a 30’s NEET living with his dad who somehow thinks he’s going to be an award winning author and filmmaker. You have a room temperature IQ and you’ll never make it in this business.
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>>21952048
TRANderSEN is doxxing himself and trying to frame Rhyme for it. Believe nothing that he says.
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I can't believe all of these sociopathic haters would dox themselves to spite Unreal. Does their evil know no limits? We should all watch this OP video again to show support for Unreal in these trying times.
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>>21952438
why would they doxx themselves? unreal is behind this 100%
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>>21952476
That was sarcasm, dipshit.
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>>21952476
Bro, come on. It's obvious. multiple unrelated people posted their home address, workplace and full names because Unreal was growing too fast. They're haters. It's what they do. Unreal had to be stopped. How would the haters feel if Unreal reached 400 subs after 18 months of consistent uploads?
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>>21952367
Jesus Christ. Unreal is never going to live down the doxing shit. You guys can cope and say you’re just ignoring the past as if that helps your public perception. The bottom line is your reputation is forever tarnished. Baffling you thought it was a good idea at that time. Baffling.
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>>21952509
The past? They’re still actively doxxing people in this thread
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>>21952509
Seethe more
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How are we going to bring Unreal down /lit/? It’s time we get rid of them off the board!!!
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>>21952556
They're doing a good job killing themselves. How many are even left?
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>>21952561
No. They’re obviously doxing everyone. They should be banned from /lit/.
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>>21952509
Unreal Press is a front for elaborate gay ops
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>>21952153
KEK
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https://youtu.be/3Q4Pz-nMbCI [Embed]
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>>21952599
you look like you're going to cry
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>>21952599
Fuck off Gardner.
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>>21952599
you’d cry too if you were a pathetic neet living with his mom and dad who had nothing better to do than shill your ESL-tier slop everywhere
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>>21952599
>Gardner can’t even come up with his own ideas
OH NONONONONONONOOO
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>>21952674
Correction: It’s a quote from Zachary Alan Smith.
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>>21952599
Does this dude have a job? He isn't making it off book sales but I cant really imagine what type of work he would do.
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>>21952599
Based
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>>21952599
The /lit/ renaissance refers to a short-lived surge in interest regarding /lit/ fiction and /wg/ authors which began with the publication of the first BSR rankings (later refined to the /lit/ Top Ten) on January 7th, 2023, peaked with the return of &amp editor K.R. Hartley on March 16th, 2023, and ended with the infamous "Message in a Bottle" scandal on April 5th, 2023, wherein K.R. Hartley disappeared under conditions of duress and several members of the Unreal staff doxxed other contributors and engaged in below-the-belt personal attacks, before receiving a backlash that forced their indefinite withdrawal from public life. Prominent figures include Ogden Nesmer, K.R. Hartley, John “Rhyme” Davis, Zachary “Zulu” Alan Smith, Lewis Woolston, and all Unreal contributors. However, this time period was marked by an increasing interest in archiving obscure/forgotten /lit/ authors, and the total count was finally tabulated at 32 authors who have shilled or gained notoriety on /lit/. F. Gardner later attempted to take credit for and capitalize on this event, despite having had absolutely nothing to do with it.
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>>21952779
Hi AnderSEN.
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>>21952728
He has a thriving career as a male stripper and prostitute, and can often be seen plying his trade on the sidewalks of Chicago’s sleaziest neighbourhoods, clad in fishnet stockings, heels, and a pleather miniskirt.
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>>21952791
*TRANderSEN
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>>21952791
Hi! I’m glad to be back.
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>>21952779
Wassup A-A-Ron?
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>>21952822
Nothing much, just writing equine enthusiast smut. The usual.
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AWWWWW wittle Aaron is upset. He doesn't like it guys! Unreal made his feefees hurt!
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>>21952779
You guys would have an awesome time reading The Shitkickers instead of fighting with each other
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>>21952847
Back for one day? About the time this thread started to go to shit. Huh.
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>>21952858
Agreed! We should do something about it!
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>>21952862
Yes, it’s time.
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>>21952026
classic example of the thousand-cock-stare
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>>21952868
What do you suggest?
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I meant

>>21952857
Wrong post
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>>21952913
no one is going to read your stupid ass book with its tacky ass ugly ass retarded ass cover, nigga
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Why is F Gardner flexing about starting /lit/tok? &amp has had a TikTok since mid 2022
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>>21952057
your telling me she likes this dude with the creepy pedostache? bitch needs to get her head checked out
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Aaron bros??? Status report??? Don't tell me Unreal won...
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>>21952949
Fuck off Aaron. We know you left the server after getting called out for posting your own doxx in a lame attempt to make it seem like someone else actually cares enough to doxx your irrelevant ass.
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CLOWNPIECE IS REAL!
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>>21952954
True! And I, Aaron Andersen, apologize to Unreal and all of those who I have harmed with my actions. I am deeply sorry. I hope you will find it in your heart to forgive me, Aaron Andersen. 
- Aaron Andersen.
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>>21952960
What actions
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Oft-forgotten Unreal cohost Miles MacNaughton rues the day that he made this thread.
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>>21952984
Can he really be called a cohost if he's the only host left?
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>>21952992
KEK
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UNREAL!
Andersen...
UNREAL!
Andersen...
UNREAL!
Andersen...
UNREAL!
Andersen...
UNREAL!
Andersen...
UNREAL!
Andersen...
UNREAL!
Andersen...
UNREAL!
Andersen...
UNREAL!
Andersen...
UNREAL!
Andersen...
UNREAL!
Andersen...
UNREAL!
Andersen...
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Thank you Unreal. This will surely get us published.
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>>21953013
No problemo, good sir. The future looks bright!
--- 21953053
"Pooh-pooh to the Unreal Bros!" snarled the Troon.
"I'll samefag another two hundred gay-ops posts by next noon!"

They're just booting up now! I know just what they'll do!
Their mouths will hang open a minute or two
Then the Unreal Bros will all cry boo-hoo!

That's the noise," grinned the Troon, "that I simply must hear!"
He paused, and booted up discord on his hundredth alt account of the year.

And he did hear a sound rising as his screen glowed.
It started in low, then it started to grow.

But this sound wasn't sad!
Why, this sound sounded glad!

Every bro in Unreal, both lazy and hardworking,
Was scheduling releases despite the Troons samefag posting!

He hadn't stopped Tales 2 from coming! It came!
Somehow or other, it came just the same!

And the Troon, with his manly feet overlarge in his high heels,
Sat puzzling and puzzling. "How could no one see the big deal?

I hit them with gaslighting! I leveraged stale old &amp clout!
I hit them with dox accusations, of both myself and their fellow louts!"

He puzzled and puzzled till his puzzler was sore.
Then the Troon thought of something he hadn't before.

Maybe a samefagging freak on the internet, he thought, is something they deplore.
And the Unreal projects, perhaps, means to them a little bit more!
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>>21953053
With seconds remaining on the clock you've somehow made this thread even more embarrassing.
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why don't the jannies ever delete this shit?
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>>21953053
who is the troon you speak of?? i need answers
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Once there was a mainstream liberal arts college which taught every lie you can imagine: round earth, real apes, and even an afterlife. One day the literature professor was giving a lecture on the /lit/ renaissance.

"The /lit/ renaissance refers to a short-lived surge in interest regarding," railed the professor shrilly, rasping and seething as he raked the blackboard with his wicked chalk. 

One student bravely stood up and then raised his hand, seizing the attention of everyone in the room. "Excuse me, teacher," he said, "but I believe the father of the /lit/ renaissance was actually F. Gardner!"

They tried to silence him but he did not care if anyone wanted to hear what he had to say, and eventually people stopped responding to him. His voice was the loudest, until he got bored and left. That student's name? Jason Bryan. His grade? F.
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Total discord tranny death.
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How does a bunch of anons make a silly book cause so much drama?
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>>21953053
Your poetry is shit, Slip.
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>>21953158
learn to speak English retard
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>>21953158
Because their only achievement in life is that silly book. They take any little slight against it personally.
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>>21953053
Unrealcucks can lick my big furry green balls, choke on my 8 inch green cock and swallow my green-tinted cum.
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>>21953247
are you... the grinch who stole the renaissance?
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>>21952318
You are retarded and didnt watch the video or read the thread. You (2-3 spammers potentially including Gardner) are an enemy of &amp and Unreal. I don't care if they're the only collaborative project left standing in this dung heap of a board: they're dragging you to goodliness and creative productivity whether you like it or not.
--- 21953418
>literary board
>people must surely read a lot on here
>swaths of books out there in that >should< help enlighten the fellow man
>simple project about making a magazine results in all this shit you see here
What a travesty
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>>21952019
>I think I'm good
what does this mean. Who are you. Who cares. It's exactly the kind of bogus nonsense sentence made by someone hastily cranking out a dozen spam non sequitors a thread to discredit unreal and &amp magazine because their endeavours are mildly successful and this is meant to be a crab board for losers and virgins by golly.