Tue Apr 25 09:17:51 UTC 2023

lit/21909823.txt

@@ -771,3 +771,451 @@ Capital method
 --- 21949769
 >>21949108
 Unreal tried to have Lucas Bineville assassinated. Very overblown!
+--- 21950024
+>>21949769
+I'm thinking based
+--- 21950069
+>>21949674
+Okay I can just submit to the email? A print issue sounds great. Also don't take drugs you miserable fuck I don't judge you for it but it's not good to kill yourself. I listened to you on the podcast and you sound like a good guy.
+--- 21950179
+>>21948537
+Yes. I didn't want to name names, but it seems to be Atlas.
+Hey, Atlas
+--- 21950195
+>>21948363
+Email me bro. Admin@LampByLit
+Going over the whole thread now. Fucking wild the amount of samefagging and impersonating goes on. I’m pretty sure there’s one fag ruining everything. And there’s only like four of us ITT IRL. And I know Oggy is rangeb& so that leaves three. 
+>>21949107
+(You)>>21949158
+>>21949126
+>>21948404
+Buddy. Thank you. I’ve lost five homies now. Not as hard as 8 and not all of them brothers but it’s a curse for sure. Vancouver is a cursed land my dude. I mean that. Zulu said he wants to roadtrip this summer. I’m saving up for this. If anyone can make it happen it’s him. And I’m moving out of the city to my nazi compound in the gulf islands after my court. Jk sorta. Need to go back to the sea. Absolutely devastating the mess I’m in. Love you my Niagara. 
+>>21948473
+Based. I swear god zulu wrote this. Do you see how clairvoyant I am?!
+>>21949108
+>>21949121
+>>21949126
+Samefag. Sounds like Gardner. Remember I’m clairvoyant.
+>>21949155
+I’m officially opening submissions for 016 right now. HMU. And if I don’t see movement on Greatest Hits soon I’ll move on that too. The dudes in the inbox would never fuck with it. I have a drive backup for all emails and I can tell who does what. They will behave themselves. They’re either in the lab or procrastinating, very normal editor behaviour. 
+>>21949243
+Because Reddit-tier amounts of grooming and faggotry inevitably generate on Discord. Put a name above anybody’s comment, and watch the fun disappear.
+>>21949557
+Pics or it didn’t happen
+>>21949769
+Man I’m actually reading his book. It’s not good but it’s huge. Says something doesn’t it.
+>>21950069
+Okay deal. One step at a time. Submit to &amp now. Issue Sixteen shall hereby commence. I’ll put a thread up after this epic/gay thread dies. I want to hold space for Unreal. 
+>>21909823 (OP)
+https://youtu.be/989-7xsRLR4 [Embed]
+--- 21950216
+>>21949302
+This comment is so based it gets it own reply.
+--- 21950854
+>>21949674
+who’s trying to gatekeep writing?
+--- 21950917
+>>21950854
+Trannies obviously
+--- 21951046
+>>21909823 (OP)
+Reminder that these guys are loons. They sent an associate of theirs to my hometown, harassed my mother, asked questions about me. Luckily I wasn't there. Whole neighborhood was in a ruckus. All just because I wouldn't publish with them. Fuck Unreal Press.
+--- 21951074
+>>21951046
+then everybody clapped
+--- 21951088
+>>21951046
+They threatened Spencer Weedman’s family, they’re dangerous
+--- 21951159
+Oh yeah? You know what they did to me? Right after I submitted a story they somehow found out where I worked and sent a male stripper to my workplace. But jokes on them, everyone enjoyed it, and hey, free lap dance! Dude had a huge schlong too.
+--- 21951294
+>>21951159
+Unrealcucks don’t have enough funds to pay for a male stripper, so it was probably one of their associates doing it on a volunteer basis.
+--- 21951342
+>>21951159
+>>21951294
+>dude had a huge schlong 
+
+That rules out anyone involved in Unreal
+--- 21951585
+>>21951088
+Who the fuck is Spencer Weedman. It's probably you cause no one knows who that is.
+--- 21951605
+>>21951585
+The dude who wrote Egregore, one of the more successful /lit/ books
+--- 21951702
+>>21951585
+this guy
+--- 21951773
+Lots of bullshit here, but Lampguy - if this is you - best wishes. You're the real deal.
+--- 21951820
+Don't expect this post to stay up long. Unreal is in my house right now. I declined to publish with them a week ago and today they sliced circles from the glass of my windows and killed my wife, children, and dog with a series of silenced gunshots before they let themselves inside, pistols drawn and ready. I am hiding in a closet and I can smell smoke. The only reason I could have survived is because it's Monday and they expected me to be at work. That's all I can think about right now as my entire world comes to an end: they were just trying to send a warning. I called 911 and told them what was happening and the dispatcher told me to come out of the closet and stop wasting people's time.
+--- 21951852
+>>21951702
+same energy
+--- 21951861
+>>21951820
+>I called 911
+Ari’s back at it again, LARPing as usual.
+--- 21951870
+>>21951861
+What will we ever do with the boy?
+--- 21951876
+Holy cringe
+--- 21951881
+>>21951876
+which part
+--- 21951885
+Why are Unreal people like this? I thought this was supposed to be a fun collaborative project?
+--- 21951898
+>>21951885
+There's two sides to every story. Some of us don't know what to make of all this yet. There is a lot of accusations flying around though.for sure.
+--- 21951938
+>>21950195
+Do you have my American Psycho essay submission? Emailed it a while ago. I didn't put my pen name in the doc but you can use the name I used for "Face of Carthage." Also don't forget: repeating digits, Silian Rail font and Bone color background (like Patrick's card of course).
+Do you want anything else from me for 016 like a short story? Or should I wait until 017?
+--- 21951946
+>>21950179
+I doubt that she’ll be back. Using the same username for her email and her Twitter was a big mistake.
+--- 21951953
+Guy guys guys, I just want you to know that I'm so heckin CONCERNED right now with the way things are going with these writing groups. Yea they're productive but do they realize how CONCERNED I am? I just hope everyone is as CONCERNED as I am about REPUTATION and WHAT OTHERS THINK, because I think all /lit/ adjacent groups need to make a joint press conference live on YOUTUBE.COM AND TWITTER.COM to just address just how dang CONCERNING some things are that I- I mean totally random and uncoordinated people are spamming in every thread about months old very very SERIOUS e-drama.
+--- 21951959
+>>21951953
+stop concern trolling
+--- 21951973
+>>21951953
+It IS CONCERNING. I’m also CONCERED and I think I’m going to post my CONCERN everywhere I possibly can, even on REDDIT, because SUBSTANTIATED or not, it’s a BIG cause for CONCERN CONCERNING THE CONCERNED!
+--- 21952003
+CONCERNINGLY CONCERNED about these things that I'm CONCERNED about.
+--- 21952005
+Yeah this thread's dead. Going to email Ryan tonight.
+--- 21952019
+So this is gonna be every &amp thread now? An Unreal circlejerk until they get annoyed and start posting people's faces? I think I'm good.
+--- 21952026
+>>21952003
+Yes you are RIGHT, everything is VERY CONCERNING and everyone should be CONCERNED.
+--- 21952036
+>>21952019
+>unreal circlejerk
+It’s unironically some bitch fucking with a boy she likes. Nothing to do with unreal, &amp, or /lit/.
+--- 21952043
+>>21952036
+proof?
+--- 21952048
+>>21952026
+Oh so VERY CONCERNING! But let us not worry! Tis just a little CONCERNING! Oh me, oh my!
+--- 21952057
+>>21952043
+You see the faces being posted? One is the guy, the other is the girl trying to fuck with him. Don’t believe me if you don’t want, but the giveaway should be the doxxing of some girl considering there are literally no women on 4chan
+--- 21952061
+Concerning ahhhhhhhhh please pay attention to me
+--- 21952066
+>>21952057
+They shd just get it on allready
+--- 21952068
+>>21952057
+probably unrealcucks posting a random girls face or dragging up her info from sm in one of there secret doxxing dm groups
+--- 21952070
+Another great showing from Unreal. Surely this newest dox will save 4chan's literature scene.
+--- 21952085
+>>21952070
+Haven’t all of these people been doxxed before?
+--- 21952087
+>>21952085
+Am I supposed to follow your discord tranny drama close enough to know that off hand?
+--- 21952094
+>>21952005
+Who the fuck is Ryan? Your husband?
+--- 21952151
+>>21952094
+The editor being interviewed in the OP video. Did you even watch it or are you just here to shitpost?
+--- 21952153
+>>21952151
+Unreal Press podcast episodes hit different when they’re on mute.
+--- 21952166
+EDITOR-SAMAAA! Come back and save us from the Unreal brotherhood’s coordinated doxxing efforts!
+--- 21952199
+>>21951820
+KEK
+--- 21952210
+>>21952043
+fuck you. Blow a proctologist and jump in a volcano.
+--- 21952216
+>>21952070
+unironically yes.
+--- 21952228
+>>21909823 (OP)
+>365 views
+How small is this garbage heap?
+--- 21952233
+>>21952228
+This is the 4th thread they've made advertising this one video. It's actually embarrassing.
+--- 21952247
+>>21952210
+no fuck you man. i’m just asking for proof that unreal isn’t behind this shit, which it seems like they are
+--- 21952287
+>>21952216
+How exactly will it do that?
+--- 21952310
+>>21952287
+Every enemy of Unreal is an enemy of /lit/.
+--- 21952311
+I like Zulu Alitspas writing. Is he a villain in any of this or can I continue to root for him?
+--- 21952318
+>>21952310
+Who is an enemy of Unreal? The &amp best of guy?
+--- 21952346
+>>21952311
+t. Zulu
+--- 21952367
+>>21952311
+Fuck off Zack Alan Smith, stop trying to shill. Your writing is garbage and you’re a 30’s NEET living with his dad who somehow thinks he’s going to be an award winning author and filmmaker. You have a room temperature IQ and you’ll never make it in this business.
+--- 21952396
+>>21952048
+TRANderSEN is doxxing himself and trying to frame Rhyme for it. Believe nothing that he says.
+--- 21952438
+I can't believe all of these sociopathic haters would dox themselves to spite Unreal. Does their evil know no limits? We should all watch this OP video again to show support for Unreal in these trying times.
+--- 21952476
+>>21952438
+why would they doxx themselves? unreal is behind this 100%
+--- 21952484
+>>21952476
+That was sarcasm, dipshit.
+--- 21952486
+>>21952476
+Bro, come on. It's obvious. multiple unrelated people posted their home address, workplace and full names because Unreal was growing too fast. They're haters. It's what they do. Unreal had to be stopped. How would the haters feel if Unreal reached 400 subs after 18 months of consistent uploads?
+--- 21952509
+>>21952367
+Jesus Christ. Unreal is never going to live down the doxing shit. You guys can cope and say you’re just ignoring the past as if that helps your public perception. The bottom line is your reputation is forever tarnished. Baffling you thought it was a good idea at that time. Baffling.
+--- 21952538
+>>21952509
+The past? They’re still actively doxxing people in this thread
+--- 21952539
+>>21952509
+Seethe more
+--- 21952556
+How are we going to bring Unreal down /lit/? It’s time we get rid of them off the board!!!
+--- 21952561
+>>21952556
+They're doing a good job killing themselves. How many are even left?
+--- 21952567
+>>21952561
+No. They’re obviously doxing everyone. They should be banned from /lit/.
+--- 21952588
+>>21952509
+Unreal Press is a front for elaborate gay ops
+--- 21952591
+>>21952153
+KEK
+--- 21952599
+https://youtu.be/3Q4Pz-nMbCI [Embed]
+--- 21952614
+>>21952599
+you look like you're going to cry
+--- 21952615
+>>21952599
+Fuck off Gardner.
+--- 21952672
+>>21952599
+you’d cry too if you were a pathetic neet living with his mom and dad who had nothing better to do than shill your ESL-tier slop everywhere
+--- 21952674
+>>21952599
+>Gardner can’t even come up with his own ideas
+OH NONONONONONONOOO
+--- 21952697
+>>21952674
+Correction: It’s a quote from Zachary Alan Smith.
+--- 21952728
+>>21952599
+Does this dude have a job? He isn't making it off book sales but I cant really imagine what type of work he would do.
+--- 21952766
+>>21952599
+Based
+--- 21952779
+>>21952599
+The /lit/ renaissance refers to a short-lived surge in interest regarding /lit/ fiction and /wg/ authors which began with the publication of the first BSR rankings (later refined to the /lit/ Top Ten) on January 7th, 2023, peaked with the return of &amp editor K.R. Hartley on March 16th, 2023, and ended with the infamous "Message in a Bottle" scandal on April 5th, 2023, wherein K.R. Hartley disappeared under conditions of duress and several members of the Unreal staff doxxed other contributors and engaged in below-the-belt personal attacks, before receiving a backlash that forced their indefinite withdrawal from public life. Prominent figures include Ogden Nesmer, K.R. Hartley, John “Rhyme” Davis, Zachary “Zulu” Alan Smith, Lewis Woolston, and all Unreal contributors. However, this time period was marked by an increasing interest in archiving obscure/forgotten /lit/ authors, and the total count was finally tabulated at 32 authors who have shilled or gained notoriety on /lit/. F. Gardner later attempted to take credit for and capitalize on this event, despite having had absolutely nothing to do with it.
+--- 21952791
+>>21952779
+Hi AnderSEN.
+--- 21952796
+>>21952728
+He has a thriving career as a male stripper and prostitute, and can often be seen plying his trade on the sidewalks of Chicago’s sleaziest neighbourhoods, clad in fishnet stockings, heels, and a pleather miniskirt.
+--- 21952803
+>>21952791
+*TRANderSEN
+--- 21952819
+>>21952791
+Hi! I’m glad to be back.
+--- 21952822
+>>21952779
+Wassup A-A-Ron?
+--- 21952833
+>>21952822
+Nothing much, just writing equine enthusiast smut. The usual.
+--- 21952847
+AWWWWW wittle Aaron is upset. He doesn't like it guys! Unreal made his feefees hurt!
+--- 21952857
+>>21952779
+You guys would have an awesome time reading The Shitkickers instead of fighting with each other
+--- 21952858
+>>21952847
+Back for one day? About the time this thread started to go to shit. Huh.
+--- 21952862
+>>21952858
+Agreed! We should do something about it!
+--- 21952868
+>>21952862
+Yes, it’s time.
+--- 21952874
+>>21952026
+classic example of the thousand-cock-stare
+--- 21952878
+>>21952868
+What do you suggest?
+--- 21952913
+I meant
+
+>>21952857
+Wrong post
+--- 21952917
+>>21952913
+no one is going to read your stupid ass book with its tacky ass ugly ass retarded ass cover, nigga
+--- 21952922
+Why is F Gardner flexing about starting /lit/tok? &amp has had a TikTok since mid 2022
+--- 21952936
+>>21952057
+your telling me she likes this dude with the creepy pedostache? bitch needs to get her head checked out
+--- 21952949
+Aaron bros??? Status report??? Don't tell me Unreal won...
+--- 21952954
+>>21952949
+Fuck off Aaron. We know you left the server after getting called out for posting your own doxx in a lame attempt to make it seem like someone else actually cares enough to doxx your irrelevant ass.
+--- 21952956
+CLOWNPIECE IS REAL!
+--- 21952960
+>>21952954
+True! And I, Aaron Andersen, apologize to Unreal and all of those who I have harmed with my actions. I am deeply sorry. I hope you will find it in your heart to forgive me, Aaron Andersen. 
+- Aaron Andersen.
+--- 21952963
+>>21952960
+What actions
+--- 21952984
+Oft-forgotten Unreal cohost Miles MacNaughton rues the day that he made this thread.
+--- 21952992
+>>21952984
+Can he really be called a cohost if he's the only host left?
+--- 21952993
+>>21952992
+KEK
+--- 21952997
+UNREAL!
+Andersen...
+UNREAL!
+Andersen...
+UNREAL!
+Andersen...
+UNREAL!
+Andersen...
+UNREAL!
+Andersen...
+UNREAL!
+Andersen...
+UNREAL!
+Andersen...
+UNREAL!
+Andersen...
+UNREAL!
+Andersen...
+UNREAL!
+Andersen...
+UNREAL!
+Andersen...
+UNREAL!
+Andersen...
+--- 21953013
+Thank you Unreal. This will surely get us published.
+--- 21953032
+>>21953013
+No problemo, good sir. The future looks bright!
+--- 21953053
+"Pooh-pooh to the Unreal Bros!" snarled the Troon.
+"I'll samefag another two hundred gay-ops posts by next noon!"
+
+They're just booting up now! I know just what they'll do!
+Their mouths will hang open a minute or two
+Then the Unreal Bros will all cry boo-hoo!
+
+That's the noise," grinned the Troon, "that I simply must hear!"
+He paused, and booted up discord on his hundredth alt account of the year.
+
+And he did hear a sound rising as his screen glowed.
+It started in low, then it started to grow.
+
+But this sound wasn't sad!
+Why, this sound sounded glad!
+
+Every bro in Unreal, both lazy and hardworking,
+Was scheduling releases despite the Troons samefag posting!
+
+He hadn't stopped Tales 2 from coming! It came!
+Somehow or other, it came just the same!
+
+And the Troon, with his manly feet overlarge in his high heels,
+Sat puzzling and puzzling. "How could no one see the big deal?
+
+I hit them with gaslighting! I leveraged stale old &amp clout!
+I hit them with dox accusations, of both myself and their fellow louts!"
+
+He puzzled and puzzled till his puzzler was sore.
+Then the Troon thought of something he hadn't before.
+
+Maybe a samefagging freak on the internet, he thought, is something they deplore.
+And the Unreal projects, perhaps, means to them a little bit more!
+--- 21953072
+>>21953053
+With seconds remaining on the clock you've somehow made this thread even more embarrassing.
+--- 21953079
+why don't the jannies ever delete this shit?
+--- 21953081
+>>21953053
+who is the troon you speak of?? i need answers
+--- 21953112
+Once there was a mainstream liberal arts college which taught every lie you can imagine: round earth, real apes, and even an afterlife. One day the literature professor was giving a lecture on the /lit/ renaissance.
+
+"The /lit/ renaissance refers to a short-lived surge in interest regarding," railed the professor shrilly, rasping and seething as he raked the blackboard with his wicked chalk. 
+
+One student bravely stood up and then raised his hand, seizing the attention of everyone in the room. "Excuse me, teacher," he said, "but I believe the father of the /lit/ renaissance was actually F. Gardner!"
+
+They tried to silence him but he did not care if anyone wanted to hear what he had to say, and eventually people stopped responding to him. His voice was the loudest, until he got bored and left. That student's name? Jason Bryan. His grade? F.
+--- 21953131
+Total discord tranny death.
+--- 21953158
+How does a bunch of anons make a silly book cause so much drama?
+--- 21953163
+>>21953053
+Your poetry is shit, Slip.
+--- 21953198
+>>21953158
+learn to speak English retard
+--- 21953205
+>>21953158
+Because their only achievement in life is that silly book. They take any little slight against it personally.
+--- 21953247
+>>21953053
+Unrealcucks can lick my big furry green balls, choke on my 8 inch green cock and swallow my green-tinted cum.
+--- 21953297
+>>21953247
+are you... the grinch who stole the renaissance?
+--- 21953354
+>>21952318
+You are retarded and didnt watch the video or read the thread. You (2-3 spammers potentially including Gardner) are an enemy of &amp and Unreal. I don't care if they're the only collaborative project left standing in this dung heap of a board: they're dragging you to goodliness and creative productivity whether you like it or not.
+--- 21953418
+>literary board
+>people must surely read a lot on here
+>swaths of books out there in that >should< help enlighten the fellow man
+>simple project about making a magazine results in all this shit you see here
+What a travesty
+--- 21953598
+>>21952019
+>I think I'm good
+what does this mean. Who are you. Who cares. It's exactly the kind of bogus nonsense sentence made by someone hastily cranking out a dozen spam non sequitors a thread to discredit unreal and &amp magazine because their endeavours are mildly successful and this is meant to be a crab board for losers and virgins by golly.

lit/21912608.txt

@@ -2949,3 +2949,97 @@ because I rather sucked titties.
 --- 21949575
 >>21948437
 Nasty motherfucker
+--- 21949957
+Philosophy is an old web 
+Long deserted, The dreams 
+The spider wove into it 
+Glimmer weakly during night 
+In the sun they are only this: 
+Fragments of dread leaves.
+--- 21950016
+Science is an old web
+Long deserted, The dreams
+The spider wove into it
+Glimmer weakly during night
+In the sun they are only this:
+Fragments of dread leaves.
+--- 21950037
+>>21940132
+Who wrote the original?
+--- 21950043
+Though daily worries malady me,
+like when I make of myself an arse,
+I understand although people see,
+they forget, and this too will soon pass.
+And although my body dismembered
+by fungi and bacteria's rot,
+through this verse I may be remembered
+by very few, still better than not.
+--- 21950326
+>>21950041
+Yeah, every story of Philip K. Dick has no philosophy.
+
+Poetry is not a film, it makes sense without being discussed with a stranger.
+--- 21950604
+>>21913630
+Dammit
+--- 21951779
+Bump
+--- 21951873
+Surrounded by boys and books makes me tingle
+I can feel my body start to jingle
+Sadly I'm forever single
+--- 21951878
+Born a boy
+trans by NAME
+Female heart
+When will society accept LOVE?
+--- 21951947
+>>21951878
+Born a boy,
+Trans by name, 
+Loins destroyed,
+What a shame.
+--- 21951989
+>>21950326
+>Poetry is not a film, it makes sense without being discussed with a stranger.
+The poem did make sense before being discussed. It made sense in his head. And in mine.
+--- 21952099
+>>21912608 (OP)
+Eden waved Hello at me,
+quickly pacing past, 
+I wanted to stop and talk to her,
+yet I only nodded back.
+
+Deer-hide cloaks clasp my back;
+I push and pull this plow,
+so I may take a bite of fruit, 
+and let juices flow from my gaunt face
+--- 21952634
+>>21952099
+Big fan of frost and Dickinson I imagine, right?
+--- 21953031
+Sweet cream
+Sticky and white
+Semen yummies
+--- 21953447
+You know lions
+lick lions lick
+their paws, tongue
+searching whiskers
+and claws, lick
+the steam of a wound,
+that forgetful soul,
+of a soft body, dead
+in the shade,
+tongue rolled out
+linking at the dirt
+--- 21953466
+>>21912608 (OP)
+a haiku:
+
+corn up a pussy
+indian-
+-a locale favorite
+--- 21953479
+Wrote this a few years ago. I wrote a lot of short poems a few years ago, inspired by my time in graduate school.

lit/21917939.txt

@@ -384,3 +384,37 @@ I think it failed because you asked people to basically dedicate all their readi
 >>21949209
 >you
 I'm not OP.
+--- 21949920
+>>21949047
+Nope. They offer it to God as smoke. Except the blood. Oh and the priests get a cut. They believed God actually resided in the Holy of Holies, and displeasing God could cause him to leave, hence the strictest sacrifices being for a priest making a mistake.
+--- 21949922
+>>21947840
+Make the readings more specific. The Bible is really dull and theologically irrelevant for long stretches, if you are going to rush through it you might as well just read an abridge version. The most rewarding thing about the old testament is figuring out the cultural, political and theological forces that shaped it and doing that is impossible given the timeframe.
+--- 21950496
+>>21949922
+>The Bible is really dull and theologically irrelevant for long stretches
+A big sign that you've only read the Bible once, if ever.
+--- 21951226
+>>21929571
+”The dirt came out” refers to the fat fuck kings bowels leaving his body, sir
+--- 21951232
+>>21933057
+Pussy is the ultimate end of every toil on earth. There is literally nothing else beyond it.
+--- 21951504
+>>21947149
+>Constructive criticism, anon. Next time you try you'll attract repeat posters that generate discussion and a lot less:
+I'm not OP but your post is less worth than a bump. A bump indicates that anons are interested but don't know how to contribute or don't have time for it right now. Your post indicates that you know what to do but you just say fuck you.
+
+>>21949047
+If you believe that your god isn't corporeal why would you sacrifice solids to him instead of gases that ascend to another realm and transform the meat to ashes
+--- 21952531
+>>21950496
+Delusional. The bible is tedious, which is why most people need some sort of motivating structure to read it. Even for the self-motivated it is hardly a page turner. Nor is it theologically relevant to the average non-jewish reader, which is why people use commentaries to tell them what to take out of the chapters. Sure if you dig into the context and subtext of the verses you can get something richer out of the bible, but that is the point - the pace prescribed is too fast to appreciate the text.
+--- 21953495
+what happened to it bros??
+--- 21953498
+>>21953495
+this thing i mean. incredible to think they just fucking lost the most important item in the whole religion
+--- 21953501
+>>21919798
+human behavior is quite repetitive

lit/21921346.txt

@@ -1076,3 +1076,196 @@ Incorrect since you didn't quote mine
 --- 21944917
 >>21938366
 unread larp stack assembled exclusively for brownie points in /lit/'s hourly [tranny/jew/commie] seethe threads
+--- 21946246
+>>21942122
+Military history, fascinating
+--- 21946421
+>>21943507
+Low IQ trash. Go jump off a cliff.
+--- 21946741
+>>21943507
+>yt
+>het male
+>Intact
+--- 21946967
+>>21943507
+listens to Jocko Willnick podcast
+Involved in MKP
+Trying to get back in touch with god
+--- 21946985
+Pls don't bully me too much 1/4
+--- 21946994
+>>21946985
+2/4 living room bookshelf btw
+--- 21947001
+>>21946994
+3/4
+Bedroom bookshelf.
+Used to have enough books to fill all my bookshelves but I sold/gave away half of my books since I was moving around a lot.
+--- 21947006
+>>21947001
+These are the books I have on my headboard for current reading. Currently reading Roadside Picnic and Blood Meridian (not pictured)
+--- 21947009
+>>21946994
+Please post your Warhammers.
+--- 21947021
+>>21947009
+Here's a painboy I painted up before I based him
+--- 21948447
+>>21930227
+is that the new reprint of v and col49? how are they?
+--- 21948902
+Couldn't get a better angle
+--- 21948939
+ok folks, I have for a couple years now been trying to get the complete works of Seneca from U of Chicago press in their original cloth bindings. A couple were easy to find, a couple took much longer, but I now have 6/7. The one I'm missing is Hardship & Happiness. I've scoured the internet and continue to look for it every couple months in case it pops up on abebooks or somewhere else, but I have yet to find it. Part of the problem is that UChi press start making these abysmally shitty hardcovers after the first edition, but they re-used the same ISBN as used for the first printing, so the only way I would be able to distinguish the shitty one from a good one is if the seller has a picture or includes extra information in the description. I've contacted sellers dozens of times asking whether it's the cloth or the cheap version, but every single time, they say they're just shipping from another location and they don't have access to the book to check.
+
+here's the book -- https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/H/bo5759240.html
+isbn -- 9780226748320
+
+Does anyone here have it? Or any idea where I could look? Are there services that can help people track down rare books? At this point I'd be willing to pay hundreds of dollars for a copy in decent or better condition. There is someone somewhere with a copy of it who would be happy to sell it for the price I'm willing to offer. I just don't know who that person is or where to find them.
+--- 21948958
+>>21948939
+ah forgot to answer the questions
+race: white
+age: 30
+sexuality: het
+virginity status: not
+>>21922361
+mirin
+--- 21948964
+>>21948939
+God, I wish there was a service for tracking down books. I've spent so many hours searching for stuff and sometimes it takes years until something pops up. It's very tiresome.
+--- 21948985
+>>21946425
+Good collection.
+--- 21948989
+>>21948958
+Thanks, I just picked up the hardy collection from folio and a signed copy of Margaret thatcher
+--- 21949006
+>>21948989
+I was looking at getting that folio hardy collection, but I hate when I can't get all or most-all of the books from an author in the same edition. It's stopped me from buying a lot of books from folio. I mostly only use them for books where they have the only ones I'd ever conceivably want from the author -- eg I've got Doctor Zhivago from them, partially because they had an exclusive translation done for them and partially because I have no interest in anything else from Pasternak -- although maybe that'll change when I finally get around to reading it.
+but those look great though. You've got a great collection
+--- 21949049
+>>21949006
+Personally, I started finding it very pleasing to have full collections of authors in first editions, especially if they changed publishers a couple of times.
+--- 21949077
+>>21948939
+>>21948964
+there might be good news. I thought earlier today to email the four people who contributed translations to the book to see if they might have an extra copy I could buy off them. I'd already emailed the editor of the series a year or so ago and she looked around her office and asked colleagues but couldn't find one. I looked them up, turns out one of them is dead sadly, but I emailed the other three.
+One of them replied saying he didn't have a copy but he had found a used site a listing described as clothbound with sewn binding and dust jacket, and I decided to order that and return if it isn't correct (I think it's most likely a seller who just copied/pasted info based on the ISBN, which as I mentioned is shared with the shoddy later printings, but it's worth a shot).
+But another replied just a couple minutes ago saying he thinks he might have a copy lying around and said he'd check his office tomorrow. If that turned out, I'd be ecstatic. like losing my virginity ecstatic. It's crazy how long I've been looking for this thing.
+>>21949049
+interesting, what authors do you have some/all of their first editions?
+--- 21949125
+>>21949077
+>what authors do you have some/all of their first editions?
+Nothing too fancy, of course:
+Walter Moers
+Jurij Brezan
+Akif Pirincci
+and I'm close getting the full first editions of Arno Schmidt
+--- 21949386
+>>21938366
+>no Schopenhauer On Women
+ngmi
+--- 21949620
+>>21949386
+It's a shorter work generally added in the notes, it appears in a few of my collected volumes
+
+>>21949006
+I can certainly appreciate the feeling about uniformity. The problem is that some books aren't particularly popular and there's not much of a drive to produce Daniel Deronda, or the princess of Cleve's. So you've gotta do what you can. I did manage to get half of Trollopes collection from folio, but it will be years before I finish that beast.
+--- 21949709
+>>21949702
+This is awesome
+--- 21949910
+>>21921346 (OP)
+Is Man and His Symbols a good read?
+I really like Jung as of late
+--- 21951731
+>>21949620
+yeh definitely, my desire for uniformity is basically impossible to achieve for any author with more than 5 books. Sometimes even with 5 books it's not achievable -- eg Everyman's Library has Dubliners, A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man, and Ulysses, but not Finnegan's Wake. Not that I'd ever be able to read Finnegan's Wake anyway haha
+>>21948939
+>>21949077
+looks like I'm getting the book. One of the translators has an extra copy and is sending it to me. I can't believe it's actually happening. Holy shit. I'd resigned myself to likely never getting this last volume, but it's actually happening. Words are insufficient here. It's like how Christmas felt when I was a little kid. Will post pics in the next shelf thread after it arrives.
+--- 21951787
+>>21921346 (OP)
+give it to me straight, doc
+--- 21951789
+>>21949702
+based consoooomer
+--- 21951943
+>>21921346 (OP)
+It ain't much because I go to the library quite a bit, but here goes:
+--- 21952169
+>>21949702
+Race: pasty
+Age: 34
+Sexuality: straight (but sometimes scared you might not be)
+Virginity status: not virgin but self-conscious in bed to the point of feeling like sex is a chore (would rather spend time reading Sanderson)
+--- 21952195
+>>21948939
+>atomic Habits
+My Nigga.
+--- 21952699
+>>21951787
+You have Xenophon Anabasis but not Hellenica? No Herodotus but Thucydides?
+Funny thing is i also like some of 40k books.
+--- 21952783
+>>21948939
+is that landmark series in hardback?
+--- 21952820
+>>21952195
+thank you, I haven't read it yet, but I bought it after a friend explained the "method" to me and I've found it helpful so far. I assume that reading the full book will help more, though
+>>21952783
+yessir
+--- 21952825
+>>21948939
+where did you cop this shelf on the left famfrfr on god?
+--- 21952836
+>>21952825
+my zoomerese is a bit rusty, what are you asking?
+--- 21952844
+>>21952169
+Shiiiii, I'm 30 bruh, but good super close
+--- 21952849
+>>21952836
+where did you buy this book shelf on the left?
+-steve and rhoda ginsberg
+
+Sent from my iPad
+--- 21952856
+>>21952679
+mid 30s 
+white
+straight
+
+based urantia enjoyer
+--- 21952875
+>>21952849
+the "famfrfr on god?" is the part I was confused by lmao
+I know "senpai" and "fr" is "for real"? but what's the thing about god?
+anyway it's a westelm shelf, unfortunately expensive for the quality of construction, but they look nice. the one in the right is the same, just a wider version.
+narrow version
+>https://www.westelm.com/products/mid-century-22-bookshelf-acorn-h5335/
+wide version
+>https://www.westelm.com/products/mid-century-38-bookshelf-acorn-h5336/
+--- 21952889
+>>21952875
+thanks babe
+--- 21952909
+>>21921346 (OP)
+--- 21953127
+>>21952820
+wtf I didnt even know they made that. Was the hardcover a limited print run or something? those things are like $200+
+--- 21953138
+>>21952679
+How is that Oxford Shakespeare? I've been thinking about getting a complete works but I can't decide if I should go Pelican, RSC, Oxford, Norton or Arden
+--- 21953531
+>>21952699
+Herodotus got lost in the mail and I'm still angry about it so I haven't ordered a replacement
+--- 21953666
+>>21921454
+I like the plushies.
+--- 21953694
+>>21921454
+where'd you get that version of the manifesto?

lit/21932156.txt

@@ -670,3 +670,178 @@ Why the long face?
 --- 21948893
 >>21937662
 Plato was a dualist, you're confusing Plato with Plotino, in Plato the idea of god is not the whole of the cosmos, but the blueprint that make chaos take form, so yo uhave a hierarchy of form and a indefinite matter, both of them creat ethe reality we see, Plotino's didn't lie kthat and made matte ra lower form of the idea of god, which is not part of Plato's exoteric or esoteric teachings, that's why Plotino is considered a neo-platonic and not a platonic philosopher
+--- 21950367
+>>21948563
+kek
+--- 21950374
+God I am so tired of seeing this horse-faced motherfucker on this board
+--- 21950441
+>>21947604
+>french "philisophers" he's a sociologist,
+no he's not, read at least a wikipedi aarticle before start talking nonsense and out yourself as someone easily influenced by alt-right memes
+--- 21950460
+>>21947584
+>>21947604
+>>21947673
+
+kek samefaging this hard, go back to the self bro, it's all an illusion, breath and stop getting triggered this hard, go read the vedas or some shit
+--- 21950470
+>>21944384
+>Brahman’s self-disclosing awareness
+if the quality of self-disclosing awarebess is possible, then you just can put that quality on awraeness itself, you don't need a knower or Brahman, so the same system that explains or defend the brahman position ends up being the same thing that proves it's inexistence, and that's why Brahman is a contradictory notion
+--- 21951118
+>>21945197
+>No thanks
+okey, but you'll never know which philosophers and thinkes are actually the most inlfuencial since your realm of interaction with that world is incredible small, but you do you
+>I can see
+as i already pointed out, your reach for this kind of things is really limited so what you can "see" is something i can't be bothered with
+>I don't talk to Midwittgenstein and Heidegger appreciators btw.
+why should i care what you take or don't take seriously, you describe yourself as someone more interested in pursue blind dogmatism(something commoni n guenon circles btw) than in the pursue of truth and metaphysical doctrines
+--- 21951241
+>>21948107
+Assenting to an epistemology claim isnt making an ontological one, period. I’m not sure why you are so hung up on this.
+--- 21951247
+>>21950470
+>if the quality of self-disclosing awarebess is possible, then you just can put that quality on awraeness itself, 
+Brahman IS awareness itself
+>you don't need a knower or Brahman, so the same system that explains or defend the brahman position ends up being the same thing that proves it's inexistence, 
+this is meaningless babble
+>and that's why Brahman is a contradictory notion
+meaningless babble does not demonstrate a contradiction in anything chump
+--- 21951279
+>>21951247
+>Brahman IS awareness itself
+if brahmas is awareness, then the object of awareness must be something else beyond brahman, and if awareness is the only thing that exist, well then is no longer awareness since it's not aware of anything, and awareness can't be only aware of itself since awareness is not a thing, the whole notion of awarenes slose it's meaning at that point, so again brahman ends up being nothing at all or a fallacious idea of awareness, a non-aware awareness, a contradiciton in terms
+
+>this is meaningless babble
+the fact that you can't understand it doesn't meanis babble, just means is babble to you because you don't undestand it
+--- 21951322
+Can someone give me a QRD on the ideas of this guy Guenon?
+--- 21951349
+>>21951322
+the real world is static and the world we see is an illusion
+--- 21951360
+>>21951349
+That sounds like a Plato copy
+--- 21951373
+>>21951279
+>if brahmas is awareness, then the object of awareness must be something else beyond brahman
+The objects of awareness are maya, the subject is also maya. Awareness (Brahman) is non-dual and without subject or object, it only appears to be divided up into the divide of subject vs object because of metaphysical ignorance (avidya), or because of the illusion of maya, which amount to the same thing.
+
+>and if awareness is the only thing that exist, well then is no longer awareness since it's not aware of anything
+Incorrect, because awareness (Brahman) is intrinsically self-aware, thus it’s factually incorrect to say that it’s not aware of anything.
+>and awareness can't be only aware of itself since awareness is not a thing
+That awareness is “not a thing” is a nonsensical dogma that you are asserting without any proof or any supporting argument, because there is no grounds to make this claim it doesn’t actually refute anything. If you actually wanted to use that as an argument and have it potentially work then you’d have to argue why that is the case, but you haven’t and so it fails to be a valid argument, and even taking it on it’s face that’s a laughable statement, if awareness was not a thing we would have no knowledge of this conversation. You have utterly failed to refute or show any contradiction in anything and you are just making absurd assertions without trying to demonstrate how or why they are necessarily true.
+--- 21951376
+>>21951322
+Rene Guenon is the most correct, smartest and most important person of the twentieth century. There was no smarter, deeper, clearer, absolute Guenon and probably could not be. It is no coincidence that the French traditionalist René Allé in one collection dedicated to R. Guenon compared Guenon with Marx. It would seem that there are completely different, opposite figures. Guenon is a conservative hyper-traditionalist. Marx is a revolutionary innovator, a radical overthrower of traditions. But Rene Halle rightly guessed the revolutionary message of each of Guenon's statements, the extreme, cruel noncomformity of his position, which turns everything and everything upside down, the radical nature of his thought.
+
+The fact is that René Guenon is the only author, the only thinker of the twentieth century, and maybe many, many centuries before that, who not only identified and confronted with each other secondary language paradigms, but also put into question the very essence of language. The language of Marxism was methodologically very interesting, subtly reducing the historical existence of mankind to a clear and convincing formula for confronting labor and capital. Being a great paradigmatic success, Marxism was so popular and won the minds of the best intellectuals of the twentieth century. But R. Guenon is an even more fundamental generalization, an even more radical removal of masks, an even broader worldview contestation, putting everything into question.
+
+- Aleksandr Dugin
+
+Guénon undermined and then; with uncompromising intellectual rigour, demolished all the assumptions taken for granted by modern man, that is to say Western or westernised man. Many others had been critical of the direction taken by European civilization since the so-called 'Renaissance', but none had dared to be as radical as he was or to re-assert with such force the principles and values which Western culture had consigned to the rubbish tip of history. His theme was the 'primordial tradition' or Sofia perennis, expressed-so he maintained-both in ancient mythologies and in the metaphysical doctrine at the root of the great religions. The language of this Tradition was the language of symbolism, and he had no equal in his interpretation of this symbolism. Moreover he turned the idea of human progress upside down, replacing it with the belief almost universal before the modern age, that humanity declines in spiritual excellence with the passage of time and that we are now in the Dark Age which precedes the End, an age in which all the possibilities rejected by earlier cultures have been spewed out into the world, quantity replaces quality and decadence approaches its final limit. No one who read him and understood him could ever be quite the same again.
+
+- Gai Eaton
+--- 21951381
+>>21951322
+René Guénon defies classification. . . . Were he anything less than a consummate master of lucid argument and forceful expression, his work would certainly be unknown to all but a small, private circle of admirers.”
+—Gai Eaton, author of The Richest Vein
+
+“Guénon established the language of sacred metaphysics with a rigor, a breadth, and an intrinsic certainty such that he compels recognition as a standard of comparison for the twentieth century.”
+—Jean Borella, author of Guénonian Esoterism and Christian Mystery
+
+“To a materialistic society enthralled with the phenomenal universe exclusively, Guénon, taking the Vedanta as point of departure, revealed a metaphysical and cosmological teaching both macrocosmic and microcosmic about the hierarchized degrees of being or states of existence, starting with the Absolute . . . and terminating with our sphere of gross manifestation.”
+—Whitall N. Perry, editor of A Treasury of Traditional Wisdom
+
+“René Guénon was the chief influence in the formation of my own intellectual outlook (quite apart from the question of Orthodox Christianity). . . . It was René Guénon who taught me to seek and love the truth above all else, and to be unsatisfied with anything else.”
+—Fr. Seraphim Rose, author of The Soul After Death
+
+“His mixture of arcane learning, metaphysics, and scathing cultural commentary is a continent in itself, untouched by the polluted tides of modernity. . . . Guénon’s work will not save the world—it is too late for that—but it leaves no reader unchanged.”
+—Jocelyn Godwin, author of Mystery Religions in the Ancient World
+
+“René Guénon is one of the few writers of our time whose work is really of importance. . . . He stands for the primacy of pure metaphysics over all other forms of knowledge, and presents himself as the exponent of a major tradition of thought, predominantly Eastern, but shared in the Middle Ages by the . . . West.”
+—Walter Shewring, translator of Homer’s Odyssey
+--- 21951386
+>>21951322
+“In a world increasingly rife with heresy and pseudo-religion, Guénon had to remind twentieth century man of the need for orthodoxy, which presupposes firstly a Divine Revelation and secondly a Tradition that has handed down with fidelity what Heaven has revealed. He thus restores to orthodoxy its true meaning, rectitude of opinion which compels the intelligent man not only to reject heresy but also to recognize the validity of faiths other than his own if they also are based on the same two principles, Revelation and Tradition.”
+—Martin Lings, author of Ancient Beliefs and Modern Superstitions
+
+“If during the last century or so there has been even some slight revival of awareness in the Western world of what is meant by metaphysics and metaphysical tradition, the credit for it must go above all to Guénon. At a time when the confusion into which modern Western thought had fallen was such that it threatened to obliterate the few remaining traces of genuine spiritual knowledge from the minds and hearts of his contemporaries, Guénon, virtually single-handed, took it upon himself to reaffirm the values and principles which, he recognized, constitute the only sound basis for the living of a human life with dignity and purpose or for the formation of a civilization worthy of the name.”
+—Philip Sherrard, author of Christianity: Lineaments of a Sacred Tradition
+
+“Apart from his amazing flair for expounding pure metaphysical doctrine and his critical acuteness when dealing with the errors of the modern world, Guénon displayed a remarkable insight into things of a cosmological order. . . . He all along stressed the need, side by side with a theoretical grasp of any given doctrine, for its concrete—one can also say its ontological—realization failing which one cannot properly speak of knowledge.”
+—Marco Pallis, author of A Buddhist Spectrum
+
+“Guénon’s mission was two-fold: to reveal the metaphysical roots of the ‘crisis of the modern world’ and to explain the ideas behind the authentic and esoteric teachings that still [remain] alive.”
+—Harry Oldmeadow, author of Traditionalism: Religion in the Light of the Perennial Philosophy
+
+"René Guénon should certainly be considered a Master of our times. His contributions to the "world of Tradition", of symbols and of metaphysical teachings, are truly invaluable."
+—Julius Evola, author of Eros and the Mysteries of Love: The Metaphysics of Sex.
+--- 21951447
+>>21951360
+yeah kinda, more of a parmenides copy to be honest
+--- 21951454
+>>21932156 (OP)
+>Got almost everything right
+>forgotten in the west outside 4chan
+I know you didn't make this post because you believe what you said but it's depressing that someone could have actually, unironically made your post
+--- 21951480
+>>21951373
+>The objects of awareness are maya, the subject is also maya. Awareness (Brahman
+then is not awareness anymore,m the notion of maya defeats the pourpose of awareness as a thing that exist, let alone functions
+>, because awareness (Brahman) is intrinsically self-aware
+the only way self-awareness can arise is in a reflective manner, that is, by reflecting itself in the object of awareness, if awareness is not an object and there's no object of awareness either, then self awareness can't happen
+
+>That awareness is “not a thing” is a nonsensical dogma
+no, awareness can't be an object because an object can't perceive other objects, there's only objects for a subject,it's like a knife sharpening itself, or an eye seeing itself
+--- 21951500
+Sometimes I wonder if Rene Guenon hadn’t moved to Egypt and became a Muslim he could’ve been our Confucius.
+--- 21951551
+>>21951500
+no, his metaphysical system was already outdated by the time Hegel hit the scene
+--- 21951600
+>>21951551
+Confucius was more of an ethical reformer than a proper metaphysician, as was Guenon.
+--- 21951992
+>>21951480
+>the only way self-awareness can arise is in a reflective manner, that is, by reflecting itself in the object of awareness, if awareness is not an object and there's no object of awareness either, then self awareness can't happen
+ Maurice found a reallt clear way to explain that 
+"The primary truth is indeed ‘I think’, but only provided that we understand thereby ‘I belong to myself’ while belonging to the world. /.../ The world is wholly inside and I am wholly outside myself."
+
+Maurice Merleau-Ponty
+--- 21952051
+What do I need to read in preparation for Guenon? I am totally uninitiated.
+--- 21952082
+>>21950460
+you don't even know what samefagging is you fuckiing reddittor faggot tourist, ssmefagging would be replying to myself pretending to be someone else, or at least trying to falseflag, these three posts sre obviously mine and at no point i try to disguise it, ifunny bunkercuck faggot.
+--- 21952091
+>>21950441
+you fucking autist, im saying that sartre is such a piss poor 'philosopher' with such mundane and retarded concerns that he may as well be a sociologist, same goes for derrida, camus, focault and every faggot frog 'thinker', may be wikipedia would be more your speed if you cant even undestand non-literal language (watch the other retard faggot newcuck -probably you- call me a samefag for making two post in a row)
+--- 21952101
+>*hits opium pipe*
+>Things get old and fall apart, and civilization is a thing, man...
+damn...
+--- 21952119
+>>21952082
+>, these three posts sre obviously mine and at no point i try to disguise it
+i mean you should, is kinda sad to see how tirggered you get by so little, specially when you try to defend Guenon, seems like you can't really connect with "the self"
+or at least you could answer all those anons in the same post like normal people do, but seems like you're to mad to do that, anyways some more lives in maya for you then, next one you'll probably reincarnate as a tranny or faggot, you seems to be kinda fixated on them
+--- 21952158
+>>21952119
+kek you fucking faggot tourist, truth is, if you werent such a KEGELcuck newfriend you would have realized im mostly shitppsting. I have barely read guenon but I hate bataille and his sociologist ilk (yrs, cope about it faggot) and KEGEL so I decided to joker it up a bit when I saw the post I originally replied to. Although, almost everything I said is still true (french xx century philosophy is sociology, KEGELA is a blight on humanity, heidegger was reading zen buddhism, etc) 
+
+lurk moar, simple as
+--- 21952454
+>>21939923
+>brahmin
+As someone without Dravidian blood outside of the Indian sub continent why would he be a Brahmin? More likely he's a Volkhv or Druid instead.
+
+You'd be better able to critique someone's work if you properly understood it and the ethos surrounding it.
+
+Just a tip you probably didn't get taught at the leftist indoctrination centre which formed your opinions for you.
+--- 21953415
+>>21932178
+Fpbp. His only mistake was leaving the Church or not going Orthodox. And with that, 
+"that is all
+ Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know."

lit/21935043.txt

@@ -1070,3 +1070,163 @@ fingers crossed.
 Lol the LARP is so strong.
 
 I'm sure your totally real "book" is as well received as your consistently empty threads. The funny thing is, if you had ever bothered with Aristotle's own Rhetoric, you'd have a good model for how to both persuade and entice engagement, instead of either total nada, or drawn out fights uniformly started by yourself when you can't stand to have to explain anything. I look forward to your next set of empty threads, I always get a chuckle when I see "/rhet/" followed by 5 effortposts and then a bunch of bumps with only 1 poster in thread. Super gratifying every time.
+--- 21949927
+>>21948314
+>. I look forward to your next set of empty threads,
+I'm tempted to start one to compare Chrysippus with Aristotle, as you mentioned it again.
+
+> or drawn out fights uniformly started by yourself when you can't stand to have to explain anything.
+Not at all, I got bored of the psychoanalysis I ended up doing with you and would have much rather discussed the subject, problem is that a discussion with you goes much like this:
+
+>>21948238
+>>21947984
+>>21947474
+>athest
+>eat shit
+>waaaaaah
+>NO, YOU BE WE-TODD N I NO NEED WEED DA HUME OR NOBODY ELSE WHO TINK OF TINGS, AND WEWIGION IS BAD
+etc.
+which is just verbal abuse; ad hom not talking about the topic at all.
+
+STILL, there is stuff to be discussed: you say Aristotle is better because no books of Chrysippus survived for us to "know" in as much depth as Aristotle, that's a valid point. As we've kind of touched on here, re: logic vs. dogma, the 'absence' of a big book makes it difficult to attach a dogma 'to' the person, as people have always done with philosophers, so we end up instead actually examining and recreating the methodology in the actions of the person rather than quibbling over phraseology. I have previously made the case that this is why Chrysippus is better precisely because his books were burned or lost or whatever, since any student of Chrysippus cannot be a dogmatist - or rather that the process of studying Chrysippus filters out the dogmatist.
+
+Anyway, you're welcome to prepare some notes on this. I have been long finished writing on "logos and pathos vs. ethnos" and don't really care to wind back to it all again, but it is a good topic just of itself of "dogma vs logos" i think.
+
+But fair warning, any replies which are just verbal abuse will be reported and will be taken by me as being proof of the deranged mentality of the old opposition and the total absence of refutation for anything I say (which means i win the case as it is unchallenged).
+--- 21950157
+>>21949927
+Lol eat shit Stephan, I don't have to discuss anything with a dilettante who maybe glances at philosophy between reading volumes of Casa Howhard lmao
+
+(Also, announcing reports is against the rules lol)
+--- 21950223
+>>21950157
+>(refuses conciliatory offer to talk normally about the topic, verbal abuse contd.)
+As expected lol
+
+Well have it your way, be happy to know that you've contributed immensely to my case studies in pathos as to the foregone conclusion that if you are holding indefensible positions which you refuse/cannot defend that you will engage in psychopathic and schizophrenic-like asocial behavior as consequence of those beliefs (which can be confirmed to linger under the surface of an otherwise seemingly normal-presenting person), presenting your 'character type' as the only real single impediment to human development in academic and scientific subjects. Bearing in mind the long history of your character type against evidence for many centuries; e.g. engaging in vicious sustained ad-hom, w/o refutation, against "washing your hands in hospitals," due to infantile dogmatism among 'your type' of false intellectual... and the necessity of outlawing anonymous online discourse and enforcing a legal-scientific (evidenced based) standard for debate in the future to eliminate the impediment to human development and amicable discussion which is presented by your type (your influence on the group in these kind of settings as well as IRL;pretending to be multiple people, joining discussions solely to disrupt with character attacks, never engaging with the topic, etc.
+
+>announcing reports is against the rules lol
+iterating the rules against non-serious troll responses (verbal abuse, memes) in serious forums is not against the rules; citing the law cannot be unlawful.
+--- 21950251
+>>21950223
+>Well have it your way, be happy to know that you've contributed immensely to my case studies
+Lol, what, your case studies on Gab? Everyone knows you don't write books, Stephan; you can barely express English, working through your doggerel Norwegian
+
+>iterating the rules against non-serious troll responses (verbal abuse, memes) in serious forums is not against the rules; citing the law cannot be unlawful.
+This is how I know you're a newfag, since you don't "get" chan culture; announcing reports is still bannable, go review global rules, r-tard
+--- 21950273
+>>21947824
+if the universe is eternal, then that means the past stretches on forever, and that the future stretches on forever too
+--- 21950362
+>>21950251
+>Everyone knows you don't write books, Stephan; you can barely express English, working through your doggerel Norwegian
+I've written about six in the last quarter.
+
+And waaay to go back to pretending I'm some other random person you've made up in your head (another confirmation of schizophrenia, solipsism, etc). REMINDER ANON I'm the guy who works in healthcare with a background in law and psychiatry. I mentioned about this bit when we were talking months back on one of those /rhet/ threads.
+
+>you don't "get" chan culture;
+>(i.e. emotional abuse of people who disagree with you)
+This isn't /pol/ and you're the only person here who acts like it is, Chris Chan, and people who act like that on /pol/ are schizophrenics.
+
+>announcing reports
+I'm not "announcing a report" I'm reminding you of the rules that if you post off-topic (i.e. verbal abuse, refusal to engage with topic) that this is a violation of the rules and I will immediately report you, as you refuse to stop muddying the threads with verbal abuse in order to scare people away from the topics you don't want them to think about - there's no reason I should not take action against hat you're doing if you care so much enough to do it so often. It's an ideological struggle for hearts and minds, innit Aristotle lol
+
+That's why moderators and police and death squads exist; to deal with the 000.001% of people who are too stupid to know better.
+--- 21950400
+>>21950362
+>I'm not "announcing a report"
+Lol yes you are you rule lawyering clod, and you've done it in past threads; saying you're going to report and announcing a report are bannable by janny and mod discretion. The fact you think "memes" are bannable when they're expressing said to be good contributions tells me you pick and choose what to pay attention to; if you really do legal work, I'd be embarrassed for anyone accepting your services.
+
+And you're really one to talk about hijacking threads, reminder that I stopped playing nice after you made a point of dodging an argument and switching to dumb emotonal insults at >>21940123, which is how we regularly get into arguments. Maybe you should stick to more Norwegian translations ifyou can't follow arguments in English.
+--- 21950511
+>>21950400
+> after you made a point of dodging an argument
+Hahahaaha ooooooooh I didn't know that was 'you' anon holy shit
+
+Alright, you want to pick up from there in a little better spirit? Okay, let's go back to what I said 'before' you replied with Dafyd Humbs, I said here: >>21938734
+>one cannot begin to do this if one begins from a stance that 'knowledge' is not derived from study of material reality, or predictions cannot be proven (as they cannot, anyway, be proven if a person is operating in fantasy as there is nothing to physically study or physically demonstrate).
+because we were talking about how 'logic/science' is derived in the first place (i.e. people who believe material science isn't real or less important than the theological ponderings of no consequence in place 'of' unbiased inquiry); you argued next that I was a "Hume Empiricist" (presupposing and straw-manning) if I disagreed with you and that Humes Empiricism,
+>can't even settle whether the hand that pushes against a ball is the cause of the ball moving,
+Mebe. I've flipped through Hume and seen nothing of interest to warrant any serious attention that isn't predated and discussed better elsewhere.
+
+However: if you believe that the human mind is incapable of discerning such things without (following the musings as a dogma of "XYZ name of some cherished idol of yours") then it follows that you believe that,
+>SCIENCE ISN'T REAL
+as 'science' to your mind isn't a natural faculty of discernment and improvement, but a static series of agreed-upon opinions of things which must be stuck against evidence and which resents improvement, in the same manner as a religion.
+
+Much of the opening paragraph here, >>21940040 was explained better by Chrysippus, for example.
+
+Whereas to highlight the massive difference between (Chrysippus) and this later modernish attempt at logic which 'denies' the senses (i.e. which denies the scientific method), you say:
+> trusting the memories of things that have already passed; 
+>a data table isn't purely empirical because you have to trust that your memories of things no longer observable in front of you are reliable.
+And this strikes me as absurd when I try and imagine how it would possibly fit in with, say, discernment of a simple process (e.g. moving a ball with your hand) followed by confirmation of predication to arrive at accurate statement of that process to be absolutely sure you've gotten it right. Were they suggesting that, e.g. when you push the ball 99 times it's a fluke, or that you've suddenly become drunk and can't trust yourself to understand what you'ere seeing anymore? I don't get the point of view that this is coming from ... and it wouldn't' matter (because it's nothing) 'except' that 'some' people promulgate this sophistry (cos it's not logic) as if it were 'logic' in order to disregard All Material Science.
+
+img. related to tier of sophistry involved
+--- 21950521
+*predication
+i mean: prediction ;p
+--- 21950549
+>>21950400
+
+fuck, this is crucial,
+> later modernish attempt at logic which 'denies' the senses (i.e. which denies the scientific method)
+
+i.e. IF you're holding to an ideology (as those men seem to be) which denies the ability of the scientific method to 1) observe, 2) predict and 3) successfully confirm a finding, then you're holding an ideology which impedes scientific progress in anything from everyday problem solving (the leaking tap) to major discoveries; if you're saying that "we cannot ever know" "because sense data is unreliable" - you're dismissing the power of sight, smell, touch, etc. all things which are developed to discern the material universe and which we have literally no other means of discerning truth from error, or more seriously IRL: of discerning truth from a malicious lie designed to 'harm' you.
+--- 21950785
+holy fucking shit OP i'm so sorry about your thread
+--- 21951416
+>>21950785
+It happens. I did get some enormous value out of it before the spergs got going.
+--- 21951457
+>>21950785
+>>21951416
+honestly, Aristotle cosmology are the 2nd most common threads on here after Hitler veneration so I wouldn't even worry about it.
+
+Wait around for an hour or so and one of your clones will post an identical thread.
+--- 21951465
+>>21935043 (OP)
+
+Peripatetics will never recover.
+--- 21951477
+>>21950273
+Not necessarily, you could just have a closed loop. In which case all the moments in the timeline exist as a complete whole, all at once. Or you could even resist the urge to loop it back, and just have it as a sort of pre-recorded movie, which exists as a whole even though we can pick out particular moments or scenes. 
+
+None of this will save Aristotle, though, because he doesn't understand basic metaphysics regarding negation.
+--- 21951503
+>>21951416
+wait, I already answered your question entirely - i remember you replied with some cocksucking shit about wanting to hear from "the expert" (the daddy who put his hands up your shorts and entertained your stupid fucking impulse to muse over the sun instead of getting a job).
+
+I said
+1) prima causas is an intellectual failing (either a childs perception of universalism, or a purposeful theological labyrinth designed to waste your time) founded upon an artificial demarcation between philosophy and material science posited by some (but not all) early christian theologians and later occurs in european society when disagreeing with god 'as' prima causa would be a death sentence; much of the musing and apologisms of such later persons can be utterly dismissed on those grounds as being a sort of stockholm syndrome.
+and 
+2) learn how to grow crops with your own powers of investigation into what works and what doesn't work to grow them, like every wise person figured out.
+--- 21951512
+>>21951503
+I asked some additional questions regarding Aristotle’s phenomenological toolkit later down in the thread. Bumped the question several times for that reason. I didn’t see you (or anyone really) address that.
+--- 21951523
+>>21951512
+alight but did you like my .gif :)
+
+I mean, wait wahht
+> some additional questions regarding Aristotle’s phenomenological toolkit later down in the thread
+I don't think I saw I that, post again with the links
+--- 21951556
+>1
+universe lasts for booths-unixtime
+>2
+clē no dhēis
+>3
+body+brain=wine
+>$
+clay
+>5
+dayofthetrifids
+>6
+gpo
+>7
+-8tarot
+--- 21951642
+>>21951556
+fucking hell anon, this is literally the answer.
+--- 21952457
+>>21951523
+>>21936656

lit/21936350.txt

@@ -553,3 +553,110 @@ But enough about this thread, the final BTFO to your interpretation is that on t
 --- 21949833
 >>21936350 (OP)
 "The more things change, the more they stay the same." -Parmenides
+--- 21950268
+bump
+--- 21950882
+I can't tell if the participants of this thread are incredibly intelligent or fucking retards.
+--- 21951419
+>>21949196
+If we're discussing metaphysics or theology, pick a genuinely monistic position. Neoplatonists make the mistake of trying to posit an "is not", some sort of "beyond being" or "non being" or other such gibberish. This bleeds into their theology, too. 
+
+Because of this basic error, NeoPlatonism is a non-starter.
+
+>>21949198
+then take the eleatic pill and show us all how it's supposed to be done
+
+>>21949680
+Did you read the post that you're responding to? I said the apple is real, the orange is real, and the distinction is real, it's all real. "Is not", or negation, is understood as "IS other than"; affirmation is present at all points in the meaning of the sentence, because Being is omnipresent. I defined it that way because negation, as an alternative to Being or affirmation, is gibberish. As shown by the Eleatic works/arguments.
+
+As for change, try defining what you mean by the term. Here's what has probably happened: you've taken a bunch of experiences or data points, and strung them together in some model. The second part is where you made the mistake; you think that moments in time are created and destroyed, or some other nonsense that was ruled out by the broader metaphysical discussion.
+
+The point is to place those experiences or sensations in a model/context that does not violate the broader metaphysical principles/context. Hence I don't deny there's an apple or an orange, I don't deny that there is a dimension of "time", I just deny these obviously absurd and contradictory models that you and others put forward.
+
+You can't BTFO anybody by saying "change change change" until you actually have a coherent definition or understanding of that term. Which you won't have until you pay attention to the omnipresent nature of Being.
+--- 21951682
+>>21949169
+I reformatted my reply and left a part from the other one. Deal with it or give me another (you), I don't care in which order.
+
+>>21949180
+>It is when you start referring to the negation as it's own ontological category
+What example of what I said did this? I tried to elaborate when I said "synthetic synthesis", but apparently that wasn't good enough for you and you really do want me to say "haha you're talking about nothing" instead like your comparison to the Sophist begs me to do. Also you never seem to read the part where I say "Ultimatum/ultimately". Life is so short and you can argue all day fucking long about "What is real" "and what is not", but ULTIMATELY if it's "as real as a fantasy" then you're just treading the line of "Reification" and "False reification". 
+
+>. If an apple is not an orange
+Objective negation leads to...
+>we are affirming there is an apple, there is an orange, and there is some distinction, and there is some broad context that holds it all in common. 
+>and there is some broad context that holds it all in common
+Synthetic synthesis
+--- 21951910
+>>21951682
+You make no sense at all, desu. Now you're just throwing in new terms that only further prove your dualism, "reification" vs "false reification". I also have no idea what you mean by "objective negation" somehow leading to "synthetic synthesis". 
+
+If you want to say something substantive, just answer whether everything IS, or if you are positing some distinct category like "is not"/negation. 
+
+I answered very clearly: I recognise that Being is omnipresent and therefore I understand the grammar of "is not" in a way that accords with this context. So if we say "an apple is not an orange", the "is not" is defined as "is other than", and we assign the whole sentence affirmative meaning - the apple is, the orange is, and whatever distinction we are drawing out is. This can be analogised to a painting of an apple or an orange, we can see them and how they relate, and all these details or things are totally subsumed by the broader picture (Being). There's no mysterious illusion world beyond the borders of the picture, where "what is not" now "is" and "what is" now "is not", and the picture can become something "other", and whatever other such nonsense people try to affirm as their words degenerate into utter meaningless gibberish.
+--- 21952117
+>>21942533
+Plato btfo Parmenides
+--- 21952160
+>>21951910
+>Now you're just throwing in new terms that only further prove your dualism, "reification" vs "false reification". 
+There was no dualism presented.
+Reification: "To reify" is to treat an idea/abstraction as if it had concrete or material existence. 
+False reification: the error of assuming that a pattern of data represents a “thing” in the real world, when there is no evidence for the existence of "thing", other than the pattern
+Name a patent" is an example of reification. "The shadow" >>21948852 is an example of false reification. 
+
+> I also have no idea what you mean by "objective negation" somehow leading to "synthetic synthesis".
+Literally the exact same thing you just illustrated in your example of the apple/orange. 
+
+>If an apple is not an orange 
+The object of negation is "the apple". Affirmations yes, but you're applying the negation regardless.
+
+>we are affirming there is an apple, there is an orange, and there is some distinction, and there is some broad context that holds it all in common
+>synthetic
+As in "not analytic".
+>synthesis
+Combination of idea to form a system. The "broad context" they share with everything else. You derive these all from negation of the object of inquiry.
+
+>"Is" permeates the whole, Being is omnipresent 
+And back to square one with another moron asking "what is an apple" again. At least we know it's not an orange.
+--- 21952200
+>>21952160
+No idea what you are trying to say when you type "the error of assuming that a pattern of data represents a thing in the real world..." Why are you positing this "real world" distinction, and what do you mean by "pattern of data" representing something?
+
+Shadows exist. If you're just saying that "false reification" means thinking that the shadow is something other than a shadow, then that is nothing more than a statement which fails to correspond or reflect that to which it is referring. There only is a real world, and the statement, "pattern of data", shadow, etc, are all in it together. 
+
+What you tried to write about "synthetic synthesis" still sounds like either gibberish or a painfully bad word game. Can you just speak plainly? You also didn't engage with the analogy at all and I have no reason why you think that we're "back to square one with another moron asking "what is an apple" again." I'm about done with the word salad you keep vomiting up for us.
+--- 21952423
+>>21952200
+>No idea what you are trying to say when you type "the error of assuming that a pattern of data represents a thing in the real world..." 
+Go chase a shadow and find out.
+
+>Why are you positing this "real world" distinction, and what do you mean by "pattern of data" representing something?
+Go chase a shadow until your face turns blue. 
+
+>Shadows exist 
+And you will never be able to explain how even after you pass out from exhaustion from chasing them.
+
+>"them" hohoh! potential is actual now! You admit "they" exist!
+
+Shadows have no potentiality or actuality. You're attributing the effect you're dubbing a "shadow" to its own thing when it's really just light. It's "less light". This loose definition 'less light" is defined using lack. Privation. It literally "lacks what it needs for existence". Defined one illusion into two is what you've done, a dualism of light. As if the Kosher one wasn't bad enough.
+
+"As a fantasy it's real" then whatever, you're not saying anything of use.
+ 
+>Can you just speak plainly?
+You demonstrably showed in your own example that what I said was the case. You negated the object, you synthetically found truths that were part of a pattern and synthesized those truths. Is this not enough for you?
+--- 21952455
+>>21952423
+Why do I need to chase a shadow? I can point to it and say "there is a shadow". Case solved.
+
+Meanwhile, you are stuck in some delusional, dualistic fantasy where there's the "real world" and the "fantasy world", of "real things" and their "shadows", and other such nonsense. Even worse, this dualistic position is presented through painfully bad jargon and writing, and topped off with the blind insistence that you're actually saying something meaningful. Terrible, can't believe I responded to you this many times, Goodbye.
+--- 21952507
+>>21952423
+Advice, but if you run across Tweetophon (loves what he thinks Parmenides, Zeno, and Melissus are about, hates Plato and Aristotle), don't argue with him. He's not interested in a conversation, he just wants you to say that his peculiar interpretation is right.
+--- 21953009
+>>21952455
+>Why do I need to chase a shadow?
+Why look for the cause? Why answer any question at all? Just sit there and piss on yourself instead. Go find yourself a barrel like Diogenes while you're at it.
+
+>I can point to it and say "there is a shadow".
+>t. prisoner of the cave

lit/21936988.txt

@@ -257,3 +257,85 @@ vivo pro sortis necessitudine =~ to conduct oneself according to the obligation(
 >“so as you believed, IT IS DONE FOR YOU”
 This is clarified by just shifting the order of the clauses in the translation.
 "Go; be it so for you, just as you have believed."
+--- 21950098
+>>21949552
+Yes but “be it so for you” implies Jesus is just saying “have it your way if you want”. This doesn’t seem to be a correct translation in terms of meaning. Shouldn’t it instead be “it is to be done for you”
+--- 21950466
+>>21950098
+i think you are attributing English nuance to the translation.
+Maybe "let it be so for you" works better
+--- 21950506
+My university offered Latin my freshman year and I took it but due to not enough people signing up for it the second part of the class was canceled. A year later I found they offered it as an online class, I'm getting ready to pass it but due to the gap year between taking the class I struggle with cases, does anyone have any resources or advice on how to re-learn the different Latin cases?
+--- 21950509
+>>21950506
+study. there are dozens of textbooks in the mega, pick one and read it
+--- 21950534
+Have any anons read the bible in Vulgate Latin or the Old Testament in Koine Greek?
+I struggle with the specialised vocabulary and want to know if you anons have any methods/sources to study the vocabulary before hand.
+--- 21950800
+>>21950534
+I only ever got to Leviticus in the vulgate before getting bored to death, but eventually now that I also know Greek I'm probably going to look for a bilingual edition and read both together. But I guess since the lexicon is the main problem you may want to get an interlinear edition if possible with quick definitions under each word, that in my experience makes reading a text with this sort of difficulty(e.g the Iliad) more digestible instead of having to jump back and forth from a dictionary.
+--- 21951345
+>>21950506
+A similar thing happened to me. I didn't continue with Latin after the first semester so that I could pursue Aramaic and Greek. I thought Greek to be more important to my future studies than Latin and intended on graduating that year. I didn't graduate, I would spend 3 semesters beyond the point I thought I would graduate in school. Because of the lack of Hebrew and Aramaic reading classes (I continued with Greek), I revisited Latin over a year after my first semester. I talked to the teacher, a friend of mine at this point, and he was very happy to tutor me before the start of class. We went through the textbook a few times each week for two weeks, and I would do practice on my own. I wasn't 100% with it by the time the semester started, but I was more prepared than my fellow students who saw no Latin over the summer. I went on to get over a 99% in that class and an even higher grade in the next one, which was more than one step up and taught by a defective, bitchy woman.
+--- 21951347
+>>21950800
+I am not allowed an interlinear bible at my university. I am expected to be able to translate accurately when presented with material.
+--- 21951367
+Anyone have experience with studying Cuneiform, hieroglyphs, Hebrew and other ancient languages/cultures In a formal setting?
+I am wondering if I should study those for my bachelor or just go for Greek and Latin
+--- 21951501
+>>21951347
+You can use one in your dorm/apartment. You can look at translations outside of class. Typically, reading classes involve an assigned reading you must prepare for before the next class. I wasn't allowed any notes in my Greek class last semester. The way we were told to prepare was to first read it in English, then work through the Greek and write down any unfamiliar words on a separate piece of paper. We were encouraged to use a dictionary at this point. By the time class took place, I was mostly prepared.
+--- 21951535
+>>21951367
+I do not have any experience with cuneiform or hieroglyphic, but I do know Hebrew, Greek, Latin... and I have a friend who knows cuneiform and hieroglyphic. I would suggest doing whatever you most want to do while keeping synergy and job prospects in mind. Is there much overlap between Old Persian and Late Latin? No, so maybe don't choose a pairing like that. If you did Old Persian, Akkadian, Sumerian, Ugaritic, Hurrian, and Hittite, then Old Persian would make sense. Egyptian, Akkadian, Hebrew, and some other ANE languages would make sense too. Learn a language because you can use that language in the future. The future can be hard to discern, especially for a liberal arts student, but you should have a little bit of an idea about how useful a language might be.
+--- 21951582
+>>21951501
+The language and area I will ultimately be studying depends on my specialty: Egyptology, Assyriology or Hebrew/Aramaic.
+I find both Assyriology and Egyptology fascinating but can't decide between either of those nor if I should study Greek and Latin.
+It is hard for me to imagine getting a job as an Assyriologist or Egyptologist. It seems to me that Greek and Latin is a safer bet.
+--- 21951631
+>>21951501
+For my religious study degree's translation tests I am only told that it will be of the New or Old Testament. Yes I will have already read it in 2 other languages and translated some parts in class or at home, but still it is rather difficult for me as they usually pick passages with esoteric Greek in it.
+--- 21952028
+>>21936988 (OP)
+For Greek and Latin works, is it better to read French, English, or spanish translations generally? Are french and Spanish better able to capture the essence of Greek and Latin? Or are English translations generally better? Or does it not matter?
+Also, if you can, what's the best start with the Greeks flowchart you guys have?
+And what are some things I should be thinking of as I read through them? Sorry the questions are not specifically about language
+--- 21952038
+>>21951582
+Semitics is definitely an option, and if you're the typical anti-woke 4chan user, then I would recommend Semitics over Classics. Semitics is rooted in texts, language, and archaeology, unlike contemporary Classics, which has become infiltrated by DIE. I have Semiticist friends, and they wholeheartedly agree with me on this point.
+The job opportunities for Semitics are shit, but they're no worse than they are for Classics. Maybe, the opportunities are better. If your university has lots of classes (or has access to other universities that do) in the languages you want to study, then go for Semitics. If I go to grad school, I don't think I will do anything other than Semitics, despite also enjoying Latin and Greek on their own merits.
+If you have other questions, I'm happy to answer them here or by email.
+--- 21952058
+>>21951631
+>For my religious study degree's translation tests I am only told that it will be of the New or Old Testament.
+Are these your grad school comps? If so, I am a bit perplexed as to why you are asking here. Are you starting your degree this fall? Comps are hard, but by the time you get to them, you should be well-prepared.
+--- 21952251
+Any image in a better resolution?
+I need the name of the books.
+--- 21952315
+>>21952251
+here u go
+--- 21952649
+>>21952315
+>Gildersleeve and Lodge
+>not Allen & Greenough
+The first dictionary listed is awful, beyond that pretty good chart
+--- 21952734
+Should I post the Ecclesiastical Pronounciation Tapes of LLPSI on Internet Archive, I couldn't find them for free anywhere and had to pay like a cuck
+--- 21953004
+>>21952315
+This chart is fucking horrible, it looks like someone typed "Latin" into amazon and just reposted whatever was at the top of the page. Why the fuck would you wait till after you read Roma Aeterna to read the Vulgate and why is Cassell's not the dictionary of choice instead of that horrible oxford pocket dictionary? This was made by some kid on r/languagelearning for sure. 
+
+I know whoever posted this meant well, but don't share these graphics for languages you can't read, because you are doing more harm than good.
+--- 21953150
+>>21952649
+>>not Allen & Greenough
+Anne Mahoney, editor of Allen and Greenough's grammar, is an incredibly ugly woman.
+--- 21953168
+Is there any latin language porn?
+--- 21953335
+>>21937823
+Miserable people are going to be miserable. All I can do is shrug and try to enjoy life.

lit/21942168.txt

@@ -956,3 +956,239 @@ The economic conditions that boomers had were the result of basically the whole
 --- 21949805
 >>21949727
 You totally misunderstood my post and the fact that you think it’s /pol/-tier analysis is because you’re the retard who only views things from a narrow culture war lens. When you hear the word liberalism your mind jumps to diversity and inclusion instead of a hegemonic system that governs most of the world and sucks all creativity from life
+--- 21949913
+>>21949805
+>a narrow culture war lens
+>When you hear the word liberalism your mind jumps to... [a system that] sucks all creativity from life
+The irony everyone. LMAO
+--- 21949921
+>Is literary fiction no longer at the centre of the culture? (Ask Sally Rooney, Elena Ferrante and Annie Ernaux that question and tell me it’s not.)
+
+
+the average person on the street has no idea who those dumb cunts are
+--- 21949938
+>The decline of male literary fiction is not down to a feminist conspiracy in publishing houses
+
+Can we all be honest about this? It isn't that men don't want to write or read. And it isn't that minorities are publishing now. It's that white women took over the publishing industry; its not necessarily a feminist plot, like some grand conspiracy, but there is no doubt that white women are the problem. They are the most coddled, privileged class out there, and they are in control of the publishing industry. A white female agent told me, to my face, in person, that her agency (all white women) are out to "right the wrongs of the white male" and do not represent them. She said this with pride. Not kidding.
+>inb4 your manuscript is shit
+Maybe it is, but that's not relevant.
+--- 21949943
+>>21943004>>21943148
+
+>My theory is that we're going to see a push for 'soft fascism' which will solidify the rolling back of free speech, human rights, etc. that has been vanguarded by the "radical left" while also giving some men some symbolic concessions, maybe a new Playboy Magazine clone funded by the Rockefeller Foundation and less onerous divorce laws. It's also possible there will be another war in the near future, and men need to be flattered into participating.
+the only thing for sure is that humanists are still in control of the world and they keep their republic as the norm. This means one thing is for sure is that hypocrisy, sex addiction, and pompous self aggrandizing narratives will be the norm which means jews, women, the bourgeoisie both mercantilist and bureaucratic are here to stay.
+
+
+humanists took power by luck: ie the scientific revolution. without this stuff, they would have had zero support from the plebs and zero material support to popularize firearms to fight and cushy homes and cars to appeal the peasants.
+Even the communists allegedly loving science bastardize it and it turns out science doesnt give a shit about politics so if you do shit science the price will be paid sooner or later. As usual it's the population which pays the biggest price and not the bureaucrats nor the merchants.
+See the debacle about potatoes in communist russia
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trofim_Lysenko?useskin=vector
+
+This is why with the stagnation of physics, they are shitting their pants because they struggle to feed people with easy material life.
+They have two attempts to keep republics going on
+-put all the cattle inside ''the internet economy'', giving them digital dollars and let the cattle scroll their phone screens all today long in their pods
+-bet big on biology+IT to somehow create a new scientific revolution based on consciousness and IT hacks
+
+There really isn't a republic without populism and feeding people with chinese crap to make the peasants believe they have purchasing power after 1. capitalists pay them very little wages 2. public servants tax heavily their wages.
+
+I think the biology bet will be a huge dud and the ''living in pod consummating porn all day by giving digital dollars to e-whores'' is way way more realistic.
+There will be 2 societies: rich people living in the real world, and poor people living in the internet and not polluting the earth.
+--- 21949954
+>>21942168 (OP)
+>thoughts?
+Don't care, I read literature because I find it enjoyable, the existence of some meme character in the cultural consciousness has zero impact on it.
+--- 21949984
+>>21943155
+>>If anyone wants to read about what this is and where we are headed, read The White Goddess by Robert Graves.
+ All books have either female led societies or matriarchies in power.
+>When God Was a Woman -Merlin Stone (nonfiction!)
+>Ammonite - Nicola Griffith
+>Looking Glass Wars (series) - Frank Beddor
+>The White Goddess - Robert Graves
+>Wheel of Time (series) - Robert Jordan
+>Wonder Woman (especially 40's-60's era!)
+>The Matter of Seggri - Ursula K. Le Guin
+>Saga of the Exiles (series) - Julian may
+--- 21949992
+>>21948591
+
+Love is for bourgeois and women
+>>21944574
+>The written word is still the best medium to communicate a complex message—there haven't been any serious contenders to its supremacy on that front.
+the video is way better than your lengthy crappy texts
+--- 21950003
+>>21947116
+>Lately I've been thinking about starting a fascist squad. Get a lot of men together, all wear matching colours, run extortion scams and sell counterfeit cigarettes, and hang out in parks trying to recruit other lonely young men. I wonder how far you could go with this before getting shit down
+not far intellectually since fascism is another generic branch of republicanism.
+--- 21950011
+>>21948834
+Bourgeois have been trapped between orgies and boredom for the last 300 years. And they created their virtue signaling propaganda precisely to feel good about themselves.
+--- 21950307
+>>21949992
+>Love is for bourgeois and women
+He's not talking about romantic love, but brotherly.
+--- 21950328
+>>21949799
+The problem is everyone has that life now. In America, 70% to 75% of high school graduates go off to college. Not all of them graduate but they go. What that number speaks to is that basically everyone is pushed off into a college degree program to pursue a professional or academic career. So of course writers come out of MFA programs. The alternative is writers from engineering and accounting programs. Life is stale now. The MFAs at least have a technical edge.
+--- 21950652
+>>21942168 (OP)
+The truth has to be said...young men are utter pigs. Ignoramuses. Cretins.
+--- 21950659
+>>21949533
+the experience as a woman is the one most directly relatable to us and it is also the experience and perspective that is being under attack ITT at the hands of bitter men across all cultures and race
+--- 21950793
+This thread as made me want to write a story about a bloke in college who takes it upon himself to start a men's club, but constantly butts up against the hags in administration who are accusing him of being racist and sexist and trying to get him expelled. To make matters worse, the only people who show up are fat autists or frat bros. The only thing going for him is the professor he has sponsoring his group is tenured and based.
+
+The story would follow the winnowing and growth cycles of the club as new initiatives keep getting introduced to the group and slowly the weird fuck ups that joined actually do become successful and happy friends.
+
+Even the woman who joins the group that he can't kick out without giving the administration an excuse to expel him for sexism.
+
+I think it could be rather funny and endearing while also hitting on some important points about modern society.
+--- 21950810
+>>21950659
+>bitter men
+
+Why do women use this term to disqualify these men from being considered human?
+--- 21950817
+>>21950793
+
+They can do Frisbee Golf as an activity
+--- 21950863
+>>21949799
+I read a book called The Programme Era by Mark McGurl for my comp-rhet MA’s reading list
+--- 21950885
+>>21950817
+Yeah I could use that as a springboard for bitching about stoner culture
+--- 21950907
+>>21949921
+>the average person on the street has no idea who those dumb cunts are
+The average person's knowledge of authors stopped in the mid 2000s. Rowling, King, Meyer. That's it. Other than EL James, I can't think of anyone else.
+--- 21950911
+>>21950659
+But you never write about those women, only American women. Even when you write about muh POC, it's always AMERICAN people of color. Where's my Mandaean woman?
+--- 21951150
+>>21950911
+Americans are the only humans on this earth who matter. Haven't you noticed?
+--- 21951181
+>>21951150
+But Mandaean Americans do exist. So do Kurdish ones, so do Assyrian ones, so do Americans of all sorts of ethnicities, tribes, et cetera. But all you ever see are WASPs, blacks, Asians (Japs/Koreans/Chinese, MAYBE a Filipino) and Mexicans. And like I said, it's not even just about race. If we're all about diversity, where are my antinatalists? My misanthropes? My Distributists? My Socreds (the economic philosophy, not the Chinese shit)? You want to shitpost about sick, fucked up shit? Okay, then where are my korephiles? These people don't seem to notice that for all their talk about representation, they seem to only represent a certain amount of the country. And it's always well off folks, too. Hell, I'll never forget Angie fucking Thomas shitting on a Gen Z kid for wanting to read about police brutality in college instead of Sarah Dessen's well off white bitch stories. Yep. For all the talk about white privilege and the like, Angie Thomas and other black authors leapt to a white woman's defense....over a Gen Z kid of color lol
+--- 21951220
+>>21951181
+Non-white Americans aren’t really Americans. When people from other countries imagine what an American is, they’re not thinking of Asian or Latino people who, frankly, shouldn’t be in the country to begin with. The country and virtually all of its political, academic, cultural, artistic institutions of note were established by white people. The only reason any non-white people are even in the US is due to political corruption.
+--- 21951249
+>>21951181
+Identities don't count unless they can be commodities and marketed by Disney.
+--- 21951393
+>>21950793
+I'd read it
+--- 21951394
+>>21951181
+This. Preach it.
+--- 21951701
+>>21951393
+Unfortunately I wouldn't be able to release such a book until a year from now at the earliest, unless I ditched my already started projects. I'll add it to my inspiration file though.
+--- 21951782
+>>21951220
+Cope. Michael Jackson, Hendrix, Louis Armstrong, Tupac, Samuel L Jackson, Obama are as iconically American as eg Elvis, John Wayne or JFK
+--- 21951901
+>>21951220
+Boo fucking hoo. What are your white americans even doing to save the last vestiges of your culture? For their supposed status as cultural powerhouses, white Americans are entirely devoid of any form of culture whatsoever, and they operate entirely on the premise of an economical correspondence. That is partly the fault of the sheer institutionalization that has taken place, but whiteness is categorically at fault as well, for trying to export it to the rest of the world. 
+The entire globe now suffers from the weary dregs of commercialization. 
+What's worse, is that other cultures get dragged into the milquetoast pot of deadened and unlively whiteness as well.
+I'm sorry anon, and I genuinely mean this, but it is genuinely over for white people to have a modicum of self-respect anymore; and with such a baseline requirement for the creation of good art being seemingly gone to the winds, it is only apt that good art disappear from your cultural vernacular as well.
+--- 21951913
+>>21951782
+> Obama
+Maybe to non-Americans
+--- 21952535
+>>21951220
+
+Have you ever heard of Blues?
+--- 21952612
+>>21952535
+>>21951782
+As usual, you morons fixate on a couple of outliers while ignoring the average. And what examples did you give me? A handful of people who wrote some songs, an actor, and a president whose entire term was defined by an economic recession and by his administration not accomplishing anything. Cool. 
+
+>>21951901
+I didn’t read more than the first few words of your post because I can tell from the way you formatted it that you’re an idiot. On a certain level I understand your resentment, because I’m sure you’ve realized how subordinate you are. Whites invented the device you’re reading this with. They invented the coding and the infrastructure that makes your internet access possible. They designed and created the power plants that power the device you’re reading this with, and the language you’re reading it in. The Western literary canon, which you’re on this forum to discuss, was also created by white people, as was the university you went to, and in fact the entire concept of research universities. Even the abstract ideals you make use of, such as free speech, are Western, white ideals. Your high standard of living, which you also enjoy, isn’t something that occurred naturally in whatever dump of a country your family came from, so they had to relocate to a white country to be able to lead any sort of meaningful life. You can bitch and moan all you like, but you know it’s true. It’s why white people always laugh off racial slurs like “honkey” or “peckerwood.” Slurs only work if the person they’re directed at feels inferior to the person saying it. Notice how angry people get when you say such things about other groups of people.
+--- 21952629
+>>21944570
+--- 21952647
+There is a great paradox. Women claim to be oppressed, yet have dedicated programs, subsidies, and quotas focused on giving them preferential treatment in jobs and positions of power. Men (particularly white men) are framed as oppressors who are holding back women and sexual/racial minorities, yet are the only group that have policies dedicated towards preventing them from being hired or admitted to a certain university over a minority or woman. There aren't any scholarships awarded to white men for being white and/or male, or any mandates that there must be a certain amount of white men in a job or institution, but there are for minorities and women. This contradiction is blatantly obvious and creates a double standard and feelings of resentment, yet the media and institutions will pretend it is not the case and try to gaslight people into thinking the opposite of reality is truth. Obviously this will not end well, as the masses will develop cognitive dissonance if they continue to try and follow the manufactured consensus. This is a deliberate strategy on the part of the dominant elites who seek to maintain their hegemony over society. 
+
+But one must remember, this system is not invincible. It contains within itself the seeds of its own destruction. We can utilize the great dialectical methods learned from the titans of European philosophy to expose the internal contradictions in this decadent neoliberal globalist regime and exploit them. It is a system built on propaganda. Power, corruption, and lies. White men are the casualties and targets of this regime for many reason, but not the which of least is the white man being the most critical and subversive demographic, the most creative and daring, the men who move mountains and change history, those capable of denouncing the established order and inventing a new order. We are the descendants of the great thinkers, leaders, inventors, and writers of the past, and they want us divorced from that heritage in order to become a rootless cosmopolitan molded as a tool of the liberal capitalist global project. We must vehemently reject this and their discriminatory tactics, and behave as subversive revolutionaries living under a hostile regime, because that is what we are as a straight white male who is not ashamed of that fact. We must reconnect with the heritage of the great thinkers and the great movements that have marked the history of humanity in order to continue to advance it forward.
+--- 21952719
+>>21952647
+based
+--- 21952830
+>>21952612
+Only a really dull person would try to argue that American culture is "white." There is so much black DNA you cannot even start to separate it and today the culture is probably fully half black.
+
+All pop music ultimately comes from the blues/rock-n-roll tradition which has black origins. The only white music that exists is country music and nobody listens to that.
+
+An America without black people would be just like a version of Russia with meth-addict hicks in trailer homes.
+--- 21953001
+>>21952612
+>spergs out and starts listing a bunch of random inventions
+Kek what a retard
+--- 21953019
+>>21952830
+>An America without black people would be just like a version of Russia with meth-addict hicks in trailer homes.
+Unbelievably delusional
+--- 21953085
+>>21942421
+Couldn't say it better. I studied English Literature in a relatively cushy liberal-arts college and after the way I came out of it I would support a modern Pol Pot.
+--- 21953225
+>>21952830
+The fact that black America has turned out a few dozen notable musicians and hundreds of competent athletes doesn’t even the score in any meaningful way. Whites in America created aviation, space travel, and split the atom while their black contemporaries did what exactly, created the Blues?
+--- 21953262
+>>21942168 (OP)
+>The decline of male literary fiction is not down to a feminist conspiracy in publishing houses,
+It is and it's a well known fact you can't get published unless you're brown and/or have a twat. Taking cock up your ass also helps.
+--- 21953296
+>>21942168 (OP)
+>The decline of male literary fiction is not down to a feminist conspiracy in publishing houses, nor is it evidence that the novel itself is in decline.
+this is cap. also it completely contradicted by the following sentences, this guy is a hack and the article is ragebait
+--- 21953304
+>>21942168 (OP)
+he/s talking about why aren't (White) men nominated for awards and prizes as much now when criteria for said awards (and every other field in public Western life) is "Less White Men"
+--- 21953312
+>>21952830
+White (and by extension American) culture is things like wearing clothes and using the toilet. A shitskin such as yourself you never hope to amount to anything beyond complaining about your superiors in English, on the Internet, using electricity etc etc etc
+--- 21953316
+>>21953225
+they probably were busy with recovering from a history of slavery while being faced with everyday racism.
+--- 21953339
+>>21949225
+This. That ship has fucking sailed. No man wants to serve in the military. Why fight and die for a nation that hates you? They're going to have to bring back outright conscription if they don't want the armed forces to shrink to nothing.
+
+And it serves them right. This is the future they wanted, isn't it?
+--- 21953526
+>>21943885
+So.. what other avenues are you looking for?
+The point here is that yes, the system is unfair - especially towards white, straight males currently, at least from a social perspective. There is also some responsibility on you to take action and find a way through these difficulties anyway. Your only other option is to rot and erode into nothing in an unfair world.
+--- 21953541
+>>21946296
+You're describing existence in a world you despise for being unjust.
+What more call to action do you need? A secret uncle to burst into your house and tell you you're a wizard?
+Your angst is your call to action, faggot. Or it is your eternal doom.
+--- 21953741
+>>21946294
+Pre-2008 I would not agree with this anon at all.
+2008-2012 I would begrudgingly agree.
+2013-2016 I would definitely agree
+2017+ and I think the future is definitely female, the demoralization is complete and only the niggers are allowed to act out as part of the anarcho-tyranny scheme that keeps all the gun-owning boomers scared as fuck and paying their taxes. The real estate money bribe given to the older generations is also another powerful nail in the coffin of young men because if you are in your early 20's in 2023 and not well on your way to home ownership, you are probably going to be perma-fucked.
+
+Life post-COVID is just the establishment doing everything it can to tighten the screws while nobody can resist at all without being destroyed by the system.
+--- 21953747
+>>21946829
+Being 44, I can tell you that 15-20 years ago it was like a different fucking planet. I remember in 2013 or so when the Trayvon Martin thing happened and I said "no way is Zimmerman guilty, I bet Trayvon attacked him" and the next day I checked Facebook I had 50+ friends attacking me over "that poor kid Trayvon" and calling Zimmerman a nazi white supremacist murderer. Like a young 17 year old punk kid didn't actually attack him and bash Zimmerman's head into the concrete?
+
+After that, I lost 100+ Facebook friends because I doubled down and said that the truth would come out that Zimmerman was innocent and Trayvon is not the "nice kid" the media portrayed him as.
+
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAw5ykIPOBM [Embed]
+
+Fucking incredible. I was right again.
+--- 21953772
+>>21953747
+Hi bot

lit/21942673.txt

@@ -205,3 +205,68 @@ Nothing will happen, fearmonger.
 --- 21949866
 >>21945509
 Found this today. Excuse the quality, I made it in a hurry.
+--- 21949948
+Never read lotr before. What’s the best edition bros? Or should I read the Hobbit first?
+--- 21950062
+>>21942692
+Forget the content. The cover has nothing to do with the TITLE. 
+>they couldn't even put the ring on the hand that's showing
+>it's just some literally who from the amazon series
+What the hell?
+--- 21950140
+>>21949948
+Read the Hobbit first, it's comfy and you'll enjoy LotR more.
+--- 21950166
+>>21949948
+Read the Hobbit first. Then LOTR. Then Similrilion. Then Tales from the perilous realm
+--- 21950175
+>>21947207
+>that face
+I see that same face everywhere and I don't really understand why. What's up with americans trying to make "medieval" characters that look exactly like mall bimbos with a tan? Not like the rest of the cover isn't horrible, but the omnipresence of that same shitty face disturbs me.
+--- 21950176
+>>21942673 (OP)
+This is what i get for listening on audible instead of actually picking the book up. But i just HAD to hear the guy who plays Gollum do imitations of the actors from the movie. assalamu alaikum
+--- 21950180
+>>21946692
+It's the eye of Sauron
+--- 21950188
+>>21949768
+While I believe there is deeper cultural, political and even religious aspects to it, you are absolutely right in most cases: people relate ugly, "elegant", minimalistic covers with professionalism. They see the crappy, seamless elements as evocative and thus necessary for a book to be taken seriously. There is a fundamental rejection of sincerity in favor of pretentiousness that kills beauty.
+--- 21950205
+>>21947451
+And just like that other stuff there is a barrier from people who are just there to fuck the sexy actor/actress who plays a part in the nerd movie, and the people who actually read the shit. Unfortunately the people who only casually watch the shit to be cool are trying to push the people who have been into the nerd stuff longer out. Maybe I want to talk about the time Spider-Man died trying to save a little girl from a freon explosion. It gets covered up by the soiboy who wants to debate which actor played the best Peter and which played the best Spider-Man. 
+Maybe I want to go ahead and learn elvish based on what Tolkien wrote in his songs. It's blocked out by the attention whore playing the Gollum game on Twitch. So what are you going to do?
+--- 21950626
+>>21949856
+They are blackslisting fucking Scrooge Mcducks comics, you're fucking retard if you think they won't edit lord of the rings sooner or later.
+--- 21950649
+>>21945509
+is that an actual ASOIAF commissioned art piece though, or just a random fantasy looking picture
+--- 21950802
+>>21950166
+>>21950140
+Thanks guys
+--- 21952147
+>>21945509
+/co/ here. We're suffering too. We've gone from Ralph Bakinski to Amphibia. From Conan the Barbarian to fucking the recent Dungeons and Dragons. It's not looking good
+--- 21952150
+>>21952147
+Amphibia is great
+--- 21952163
+>>21952150
+lmao. On what basis? It's derivative globohomo bullshit aimed at kids.
+--- 21952178
+>>21952163
+Have you actually watched it? It is great, I liked it quite alot
+--- 21952226
+>>21950649
+yes that's catelyn meeting her uncle (or I guess it could be some other random knight) in the vale, she has the dagger and everything
+there were others for the first few books
+--- 21952266
+Harry Potter had "adult" editions at the peak of its popularity and they actually sold really well. People didn't want to be seen reading childrens literature in public.
+--- 21952575
+>>21952178
+I already told you I come from /co/. I don't. WATCH. cartoons. Just like /lit/ doesn't read. And /v/ doesn't play video games.
+--- 21953178
+>>21946935
+beautiful covers ngl

lit/21943110.txt

@@ -233,3 +233,132 @@ https://youtu.be/5Kwi5zvgU4Q [Embed]
 --- 21949667
 >>21949612
 Most readers are dumb, and Humbert is a manipulative narrative character. "Lolita" is invented. The name of the child isn't even "Delores Hayes." which is a pseudonym invented by Humbert. Reread it with everything Humbert say, both the fake romance, the "everyone in the village fucked her" like when Quilty's Cousin Filled Her Cavities, the real rapes he describes accurately that people miss… and remember that it is all a self-gratifying and justifying narrative invented by the Humbert Narrative voice, wrapped in a plain narrative wrapper ("we found this diary"), which is written by Nabokov who is trying to fuck you.
+--- 21950437
+>>21945223
+That article gave me a lot of insight into Ada, thanks for linking it.
+--- 21950475
+>>21943110 (OP)
+Are you fucking retarded? Genuinely, you and majority of the people replying under this thread have such low comprehension skills it’s almost sad. HH presents the story through a warped perspective, one in which his delusions manifest into perceiving false events as fact. Dolores is not a seductress, that is HH’s internal justification that he applies to the situation in order to make his action’s seem less abhorrent. You dumb cunts can legitimately search up Nabokovs intent to prove my point. It is an unreliable perspective. Fucking idiots
+--- 21950480
+>>21945072
+Pale Fire is his greatest composition.
+--- 21951217
+She dosed her eyes and opened her mouth, leaning back on the cushion, one felted foot on the floor. The wooden floor slanted, a little steel ball would have rolled into the kitchen. I knew all I wanted to know. I had no intention of torturing my darling. Somewhere beyond Bill's shack an afterwork radio had begun singing of folly and fate, and there she was with her ruined looks and her adult, rope-veined narrow hands and her gooseflesh white arms, and her shallow ears, and her unkempt armpits, there she was (my Lolita!), hopelessly worn at seventeen, with that baby, dreaming already in her of becoming a big shot and retiring around 2020 a.d. —and I looked and looked at her, and knew as clearly as I know I am to die, that I loved her more than anything I had ever seen or imagined on earth, or hoped for anywhere else. She was only the faint violet whiff and dead leaf echo of the nymphet I had rolled myself upon with such cries in the past; an echo on the brink of a russet ravine, with a far w-ood under a white sky, and brown leaves choking the brook, and one last cricket in the crisp weeds... but thank God it was not that echo alone that I worshiped. What I used to pamper among the tangled vines of my heart, mon grand péché radieux, had dwindled to its essence: sterile and selfish wee, all that I canceled and cursed. You may jeer at me, and threaten to clear the court, but until I am gagged and half-throttled, I will shout my poor truth. I insist the world know how much I loved my Lolita, this Lolita, pale and polluted, and big with another’s child, but still gray-eyed, still sooty-lashed, still auburn and almond, still Carmencita, still mine; Changeons de vie, ma Carmen, allons vivre quelque part où nous ne serons jamais séparés; Ohio? The wilds of Massachusetts? No matter, even if those eyes of hers would fade to myopic fish, and her nipples swell and crack, and her lovely young velvety delicate delta be tainted and tom—even then I would go mad with tenderness at the mere sight of your dear wan face, at the mere sound of your raucous young voice, my Lolita.
+--- 21951494
+>>21943272
+What is an 'unreliable narrator'?
+--- 21951505
+>>21943684
+>Couldn't finish.
+maybe take a few nights off?
+--- 21951534
+>>21946910
+based. To bad they were chinks instead of jews.
+--- 21951550
+>>21945223
+>unhealthy relationship Humbert had with Lolita. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/11/16/silent-partner-books-judith-thurman
+
+>a article written by a jew painting a famous person's marriage in a bad light.
+take with a grain of salt maybe?
+--- 21951553
+>>21949612
+I dont think the attractiveness is real anywhere but his mind. He describes himself as very dashing but also as a "foul-smelling, heavy-limbed, adult" and later in the book his presence on someone's yard is enough for neighbour's to basically call the cops
+--- 21951560
+>>21946942
+>I felt bad about using it someone just to get off
+I can think of at least a dozen times I DIDN'T get laid because of this mentality. 
+
+...make that two dozen.
+--- 21951565
+>>21943684
+>Couldn't finish
+Really? I finished four times while reading it.
+--- 21951566
+>>21951217
+>this bewilders and disconcerts the plotfag
+--- 21951568
+>>21951534
+I have to concur
+--- 21951581
+>these absolute retards in this thread filtered by the most famous example of an unreliable narrator
+--- 21951601
+>>21951581
+I wanna be this guy when I grow up. Especially as he can still be pretentious after downing 3 bottles of wine while waiting to meet the chef.
+--- 21951619
+>>21951550
+Have you read Ada or Ardor? Fits like a glove
+--- 21951626
+Do you fags even pay attention when you read?
+
+>"We had been everywhere. We had really seen nothing. And I catch myself thinking today that our long journey had only defiled with a sinuous trail of slime the lovely, trustful, dreamy, enormous country, that, by then, in retrospect, was no more than a collection of dog-eared maps, ruined tour books, old tires and her sobs in the night—every night, every night—the moment I feigned sleep."
+--- 21951710
+>>21951553
+i mean he got 3 wives at least. also, he was on a rough patch on the yard scene. but yeah u could be right
+--- 21951715
+>>21951601
+>when i grow up
+anon... i...
+--- 21951725
+>>21951715
+kids are getting into literature, how wholesome!
+--- 21951798
+>>21949612
+>so how is the reader meant to empathize with humbert after that? and even more importantly, how is it that so many people did?!
+my thoughts exactly. This is basically my goodreads review thought for thought.
+>for example if we take the attractiveness of humbert to be real then ...
+this would be a fine direction the book could have gone, but I personally think the way it's written, it's just Humbert's narcissism and he's actually not that attractive. maybe not hideous, but not as handsome as he thinks he is. He keeps talking about how he's a ladies man and all that, but look at the women he's been with, and they all seem like complete wrecks. Valeria is described as "large, puffy, short-legged, & big breasted." Charlotte is described with like this: "The poor lady was in her middle thirties, she had a shiny forehead, plucked eyebrows and quite simple but not unattractive features of a type that may be defined as a weak solution of Marlene Dietrich." "Not unattractive" doesn't sound like a glowing endorsement. I think it's reasonable to conclude they're the only women willing to date Humbert.
+>>21950480
+ty I'll read that next as planned and Ada after that.
+>>21951550
+good call. these (((people))) exist only to destroy
+--- 21951871
+>>21951798
+So Jews are evil and therefore Nabokov's marriage to his Jewish wife was great? Or do you want to have it both ways?
+I'd be more interested in engagement with the content of the article though
+--- 21951903
+>>21945223
+>>21946942
+>>21947741
+>>21947919
+Nice try ChatGPT
+--- 21952037
+>>21951871
+>take with a grain of salt maybe?
+>good call, the author may have an agenda
+>SO YOU'RE SAYING IT'S COMPLETELY WRONG BECAUSE THEY'RE JEWISH???
+for a person on a board dedicated to reading, you have pretty abysmal reading comprehension
+--- 21952138
+>>21951903
+Wtf my post here >>21947741 is not chatGPT and the other guy admitted to just being high on amphetamines and trying to bait me into trauma dumping about past relationships. I’m mainly saying Nabokov’s intent for writing Lolita as farce was predicted by Dosto with the Rataziaev character in Poor Folk, and it links to influential social media accounts in the art connected world acting like theater/band kids when they all start having weird freaky sex with each other in the chase of the Gyntian self
+--- 21952162
+>>21952138
+>the other guy admitted to just being high on amphetamines and trying to bait me into trauma dumping about past relationships
+I assume you're referring to me ( >>21945223 >>21947919 ) here? I've been off amphetamines for about a year, and I certainly wasn't baiting you, not sure where you got that idea unless you confused me with someone else
+--- 21952433
+>>21951710
+Wasn't his first wife some impoverished immigrant who left him for some other guy? And Dolores' mom was an older, unattractive woman. Maybe the type of person desperate for a romantic attachment and fine to settle for the most interesting accent who pursues her
+--- 21952628
+>>21951601
+You wanna be gay?
+--- 21952718
+>>21951601
+after downing 3 bottles of wine is when it's easiest to be pretentious
+--- 21952876
+>>21952433
+He describes Charlotte as attractive. His issue with her is her physical maturity.
+--- 21952890
+>>21952433
+Didnt Nabokov get Jeremy Irons to play HH
+--- 21953015
+>>21943751
+>HH is not to be trusted
+Why not?
+--- 21953023
+>>21943790
+The whole gimmick of to catch a predator is pretending to be a little girl to seduce a pedo to catch him. It's still wrong, but they are not lying.
+--- 21953338
+>>21952890
+He was dead 20 years before that film was made, so no. In the Kubrick version the character is played by James Mason, a very handsome guy. I think this makes it an unfilmable book for the most part since I don't believe Humbert is attractive. It's even in the name; Humbert Humbert, which is unbelievably ugly.
+--- 21953408
+>>21953023
+I meant the excuses "she talked to me first," "she said she was 18" and do on... Humbert makes similar excuses like "she begged me for sex," "she already had sex, I saved her,"and "she was the dominant one"... its all bs...

lit/21943467.txt

@@ -123,3 +123,65 @@ Am I being vulgar or is she peeing into piss jug of which there are many behind
 I considered being a writer of novels in my youth but I noticed that all the writers of any importance were men who had access to all levels of society. This is far easier for upper class wealthy people than it is for lower class poor people. Upper class people can move up and down the social ladder at will, observing the manners and morals (and especially the various speech patterns ) of various classes, not to mention their main concerns in life. The poor will be obsessed with mere survival while the upper class participate in the life of a society at it's greatest breadth of activities. A poor man can only fantasize about such things or read what others with access to the political and cultural issues of the day, and this means he's doomed to be derivative or just wrong in his imaginary depictions of how the ruling clases think, work and speak. 
 
 I was born poor and have been poor all my life thus writing was out of the question.
+--- 21950010
+>>21948330
+couldn't care less about that bait if I tried
+--- 21950054
+>>21943467 (OP)
+All you have to do is get mommy and daddy to pay for it
+--- 21950385
+>>21943467 (OP)
+I do not wish to get published, because I do not write for the public. Furthermore, publishers have no taste.
+--- 21950600
+>>21943467 (OP)
+>Frankly if someone said I had to suck a publisher's dick for a publishing deal, I'd do it.
+Not that desperate. I'll self-publish or even post on Royal Road and take my chances with Patreon first. I just want to give traditional publishing an honest try before I consider the alternatives.
+--- 21950899
+>>21950600
+Self-publishing is a joke, there are no other alternatives
+--- 21951869
+>all these self "publishers" coping their balls off
+If you self publisher, you're pathetic and I don't take you seriously
+--- 21951909
+>>21943467 (OP)
+My pal just got his book published he did it by hard work and a lot of patience
+--- 21951926
+I am not desperate but I would suck anyone's dick so long as they weren't diseased or covered in smegma
+--- 21952039
+>>21950054
+Can't you get a job?
+--- 21952095
+What’s the point? Unless it’s YA Fantasy garbage nobody will read it
+--- 21952107
+>>21943467 (OP)
+I feel an odd and shameful attraction to such spiritually hollowed women as the one portrayed above
+--- 21952189
+>>21950899
+>>21951869
+Weird how /lit/ is full of reflexive loyalty for traditional publishing. It pays authors less and is riddled with white college educated women. The only reasons I can imagine to go traditional are if you are publishing something that sells better physically, or if you are already in a successful position and want to grow further from a position of strength. New authors in many genres should always self-publish first, and traditional later after they are in a position to negotiate.
+--- 21952550
+>>21944783
+But why? What do you have to say that's so interesting you're dying to share it with others?
+--- 21952840
+>>21951926
+They are all diseased. Everybody has some kind of herpes. You do'nt nee that shit in your throat causing you cancer anon
+
+Suck on a nice popsicle or something. There's plenty of good stuff to suck on. Lollipops, chupachups for example. I gues you could suck on a banana
+--- 21952865
+>>21943467 (OP)
+I can't publish you but you can still suck mine.
+--- 21952943
+>>21943467 (OP)
+I'm writing something that is pandering to agent taste (but still in line with what I want to do). So I'm willing to compromise, but not to sell out.
+--- 21952955
+>>21945220
+queries: ~120 total
+ms: 3 complete 1 partial
+--- 21953371
+I'm honestly not sure what to do about the current story I'm working on. It's a very strange beast; it's a blend of prose and poetry, science fiction with some heavy literary elements, very maximalist and lush in the way it is written, a fundamentally Christian story but not squeaky clean or saccharine.
+
+It's a weird beast and I've never been able to find a home for the first few books. This, despite the guys who have read it telling me it's really good. I've gotten good feedback from various publishers over the years, but nobody seems to want to take the plunge on it.
+
+So I confess in my desire to get it out into the world, I have given some thought to self-publishing it. I've thought of pulling a The Martian and releasing it serially on my blog, using my social media to promote it.
+
+It's rough going, /lit/. I have absolute confidence in this story. I fully believe in it. But I don't seem to know how to get it in front of everybody's eyeballs. Traditional publishing, thus far, has let me down.

lit/21943904.txt

@@ -558,3 +558,215 @@ This person isnt even OP, I dont know what he is doing
 --- 21949859
 >>21949529
 I read Hegel, Schopenhaur, Nietzsche, Kripke, Wittgenstein and most analytic literature… but my centeral interest and intellectual affiliation is hegel
+--- 21949931
+>>21948657
+Even if I did write a novel solution to the problem I wouldnt publish it. No serious hegelian logician cares for paradoxes.
+--- 21949946
+>>21947914
+Your writing is informal, hard to follow and glosses over key details. Citing other people isn't just academia bullshit, it connects your propositions to already accepted arguments. But no editor will read what you write because you look like a crank or a schizo. Work on your writing and maybe reach out to people.
+--- 21949969
+>>21946400
+>give me an example of something in metaphysics and epistemology or something which you think is retarded bullshit.
+Pretty much any paper on standpoint epistemology is either trivial (who you are shapes your experience of the world) or retarded bullshit (who you are shapes your experience of the world in a manner that makes it inaccessible to everyone else, so there is no point in even writing a paper about it). 
+No exceptions.
+--- 21950012
+>>21943904 (OP)
+OP get the fuck over yourself. Take acid, touch grass, go to church. Just log off.
+--- 21950029
+>>21949946
+Yeah this, it reads as a disregard for philosophy. "As Wittgenstein has rightly observed" - where? And he didn't "observe" it as this is a term with its own metaphysical presuppositions that are ignored by the text
+--- 21950031
+>>21949946
+I have cited multiple references and sources which directly underpin my thoughts. Further, if you were attentive enough to read the op, you would know that it mentioned an interpretation of Kripke and Vedanta (Also Descartes, Hegel, Kant and Schopenhauer in the ultimate format) which represent sufficient intellectual foreshadowing of the paper.
+--- 21950050
+>>21950029
+Wittgenstein himself regarded philosophy as an activity of experience, not a methodological intellectual endeavor. You’re an idiot who cannot apprehend colloquial semantics. The term is usually used in philosophical literature, you would know if you read
+--- 21950058
+>>21943904 (OP)
+>Why are my papers never accepted in philosophical journals?
+Go full Nietzsche, and just self-publish.
+If you do become a cultural phenomenon, the academics will be forced to suck up and regard you no matter the style.
+--- 21950102
+Maybe you can try self-publishing online. Somebody might actually read it, even if there's a low chance. Some academic journals, there will be no one who reads. I come across a lot of online niches that are bigger and livelier than academic ones.
+The fact is, nobody reads academic philosophy papers except academic philosophers. In fact, I'm surprised that anyone else on /lit/ knows who Saul Kripke is. I've read him and people like Putnam, Schwitzgebel, Nagel, Strawson, Dennet, and Chalmers in undergrad. You probably recognize these names from undergrad, too. Someone oriented to a different specialty, like ethics, could produce a similar set of obscure names. Some of them are famous in the world of contemporary analytic philosophy. Most in that world have to take them seriously. Chalmers is kinda famous, and Dennet is famous just for being a fedora tipping atheist. In my opinion, his academic work is lame, and he's a pissant philosopher.
+I hated reading this shit in undergrad. I made a poor effort, but I acquired a taste for these kinds of papers. I want grand metaphysical narratives, and cutting skeptical inquiry, and philosophy today is bogged in mud. The thing about Hegel, Kant, Schopenhauer, Locke, and Descartes is that lots of people read them. Ordinary people. People who were not academics. And people read them today. 
+People read Plato. Catholics read Aquinas. Protestants read Augustine. Jews read Maimonides. Liberals read Voltaire. Reactionaries read Carl Schmitt. 
+But very few people read academic philosophers except undergrads and academic philosophers (and within their specific area, like political theory, mind, ethics, or science). It seems to be a vaunted tradition, and it is. But ultimately, it is just a tradition. I don't fault professors, because they see it for what it is, they know publishing isn't about philosophy, but their career. And the papers being written in it now are so contextualized in niches and formal academic speak, they have expiration dates. They're interested in tiny, small maneuvers that will be forgotten, and change for seemingly no reason.
+My advice, ditch the research style taught in undergrad if you start self-publishing. Or, you could go on with postgrad and then self-publish.
+--- 21950155
+>>21944165
+grow the fuck up academy drone
+thinking for yourself isn't as scary as you think, thoughts have value in themselves, without an authority to support them
+--- 21950160
+>>21950102
+nta
+
+>obscure names
+>Dennett
+He is
+-one of the main proponents of memetics,
+-the key originator of the Universal Darwinism metaphysical paradigm
+-the originator of heterophenomenology
+-the guy who had a huge beef with Stephen Jay Gould
+-the who coined lots of memorable terms like Cartesian Theatre, Multiple drafts model, Gregorian Creatures, etc.
+And he actually writes in a clear comprehensible manner.
+
+>his academic work is lame, and he's a pissant philosopher.
+While I am not an analytic philosopher and disregard Kripke/Nagel/Chalmers, I think Dennett is legitimately great (though not perfect).
+
+>Schwitzgebel
+This one is friends with Scott Bakker. And Bakker also complained of troubles of getting published academically, having academically published only "On Alien Philosophy" article and "On the Death of Meaning" chapter in some book.
+--- 21950191
+>>21950102
+>My advice, ditch the research style taught in undergrad if you start self-publishing
+I should say, properly learn it before you ditch it. Your samples are not correct for the form they expect, from what I can see. Some usage of philosophical terms (terms of art) is acceptable, but not a lot of them clumped together.
+In most papers, it's necessary to give credence to what dispute or question you're handling, and what that question looks like in the current state of philosophy. It needs an introduction, and your thesis, no matter how modest, needs to be clearly stated. Even if the thesis is conceptually ambiguous, it can be clearly stated. It might vary depending on the discipline, but generally one should be able to read a single paragraph introduction and understand your paper, even with a mere basic familiarity with the field. 
+Say, in philosophy of mind,
+>Eliminative materialism is the idea that....
+>... and I will state that this form of materialism is improperly stated or argued.
+Here's an actual excerpt, from a man named Grover Maxwell. "Rigid Designators and Mind-Brain Identity." 
+>A kind of mind-brain identity theory that is immune to recent objections by Kripke (1971 and 1972) is outlined and defended in this paper. For reasons, the details of which will be given later, I have characterized the view as *nonmaterialist physicalism.*
+Someone who's been taught the very basics of philosophy of mind will know what identity theory means. The rest of it is contextualized by specific citations. The terms of art, we know, will be specifically defined.
+--- 21950219
+>>21950102
+Insightful comment, I shall seek different endeavors for publishing once I collect a decent amount of serious work that I regard revolutionary. Im not undergrad, I havent gone into university yet and still have to finish highshool, I wrote my first thesis on Kantian biology at the age of 15 (Im now 18) in a different language and still have the manuscript today, also thinking of revising and adding it to the anthology since it still astonishes me as I read it.
+--- 21950226
+>>21950102
+>People read Plato. Catholics read Aquinas. Protestants read Augustine. Jews read Maimonides. Liberals read Voltaire. Reactionaries read Carl Schmitt.
+>But very few people read academic philosophers except undergrads
+The problem is, that you treat academia as a political/religious group that recites their mantras.
+If academic philosophers are not 'read', it is because they become obsolete too fast. That means, actual progress has been made and everyone moved on.
+--- 21950228
+>>21944012
+--- 21950232
+>>21950160
+I agree with his disparaging of Dennet. No intelligent philosopher who is genuinely versed in Idealist theory could ever take him seriously. Your disregarding of Kripke it just indicative of insufferable idiocy.
+--- 21950246
+>>21950160
+Most of that is impressive only among academic philosophers, though. I'll admit, it's certainly a great career for a philosopher of today. But, if there was no New Atheism, that would put him at the same level as the rest. Once I read Dennet in his academic context (not in the context of new atheists), I thought he was no more a titan than Kripke, Nagel, Strawson, or Chalmers. For example, Chalmers came up with the Hard Problem of Consciousness (in the way it's currently stated). I'm not entirely sure but I think Galen Strawson came up with the peal view of the self, which is kinda original.
+I actually stopped hating Dennet after being exposed to his academic work, as I hate the rest of the fedora tipping sophists like Hitchens, Harris, and Dawkins. He is an actual philosopher, but the pomp and circumstance is not deserved outside of that.
+And, I got to say, heterophenomenology is weak. I honestly don't see any other route but eliminative materialist descriptions for that route, which themselves have deep epistemological problems. Just a very brute atheism and physicalist view. Anything else is just a fancy way to arrive there. It seems the great debates have not changed in substance since Hume and Kant.
+--- 21950266
+>>21950219
+In my opinion, you're incapable of publishing philosophy if you're still in high school or are youthful, for didactic reasons. Maybe for other disciplines this is different, but it's very true with philosophy. 
+You're simply not suited to know the problems in your own thinking, due to lack of exposure and unwarranted arrogance for your own ideas. In this case, the Bible is right. Novices are prone to puff up with pride. There's a reason the vast majority of great philosophers bloom late.
+--- 21950305
+>>21943904 (OP)
+
+>I have combined x with y
+>I have submitted yet another "argument" for god
+>here's an argument for idealism
+grow the fuck up nigger. even if you are writing to a professional standard, this is bottom of the barrel-tier shit
+--- 21950556
+>>21943904 (OP)
+>>21947885
+>>21947907
+>>21947914
+>>21947986
+>>21947994
+>>21949520
+>>21949525
+OP, if you can hardly be arsed to edit your writing for a bunch of pseud faggots on 4chan, I don’t know how anybody else can take you seriously.
+--- 21950668
+>>21943942
+this is why philosophy is stagnating. like I've said before, it must come from outside the institution nowadays.
+--- 21951230
+>>21949931
+If you can show that the conclusion doesn't follow then you've shown there's no paradox moron. 
+
+>>21949636
+samefag
+
+>>21949969
+yeah i was trying to exclude the woke social shit because those people are like, merely tolerated in the discipline since administrators love social shit. 
+
+>>21950050
+"observe" as used in analytic philosophy is not a relation to a philosophical position but a relation to an observation, although it may be an observation about logical or linguistic facts. 
+
+>>21950155
+you should probably go to school just to practice your reading comprehension. I never said thinking was scary or that thoughts didn't have value, you made that up and attributed it to me. 
+
+>>21950668
+philosophy is reaching a new golden age lol -- so many ridiculously talented young philosophers just fucking shit up. the new paradigm is Kit Fine, not Saul Kripke, which is what it is.
+--- 21951482
+>>21951230
+Thats what I literally said, are you fucking retarded?
+--- 21951496
+>>21951482
+shut up and jerk off to your fantasies of being an intellectual.
+--- 21951511
+>>21951230
+>philosophy is reaching a new golden age
+How can anyone take this clown seriously?
+--- 21951691
+>>21951511
+i don't care whether subliterate basement dwellers take me seriously. i'm doing a service to humanity by letting you know that things are rapidly picking up in philosophy and being rejuvenated by a new wave of young scholars doing serious careful work on age-old problems. if you don't know who tim williamson or kit fine or john hawthorne or steven yablo are, then of course you don't know what's going on these days. people on this board still think that like, all of contemporary philosophy is reading saul kripke or daniel dennett or david chalmers and jerking off. because they're totally clueless to the state of the field.
+
+people to keep your eye on are like, peter fritz, andrew bacon, matt mandelkern, dilip ninan, fabrizio cariani, malte willer, etc.
+
+shit is getting shook up all across the board
+--- 21951774
+>>21951691
+>being rejuvenated by a new wave of young scholars
+>tim williamson (67 years) or kit fine (77) or john hawthorne (58) or steven yablo (66)
+--- 21951816
+>>21951691
+No one knows who these people are because are pseudo-intellectuals who can never provide something revolutionary or high in value. Something analogous to the grandeur of Nietzsche, Plato, Plotinus, Aristotle Ibn Arabi, Samkara and so forth... These people will never be great minds, You can only read one or two of the aforementioned philosophers and you would have more genuine knowledge about the world than someone who constantly reads the rubbish you mentioned.
+Most of these people are sheer academics who pretend otherwise. The genuine philosopher, every great man of the intellect, is a solitary being, endeavouring a life of bewildering states of awarness and an everlasting existence within the sublime, beyond urban and industrial life. Unlike the lot of imbeciles you admire which only knows to utter empirical-theory nonsense in youtube interviews.
+--- 21951838
+>>21951774
+>terrible reading comprehension
+why am i not surprised. 
+
+>>21951816
+lol at trying to quantify "genuine knowledge" and then guessing that philosophy you've never read doesn't have "enough of it". i think you're a little too literal minded for abstract thought. 
+
+you think there's like, personality traits and lifestye decisions associated with having a sufficently high quantity of this "genuine knowledge". you're celebrity/reality-tv brained
+--- 21951866
+>>21951838
+>you think personality traits and lifestye decisions are associated with having a sufficently high quantity of this "genuine knowledge".
+Yes, read Nietzsche or attempt to grasp what philosophical intelligence is and where it springs from (not from an interaction with mass media). Just stop typing and hang yourself. 
+Also >>21951774 was right, his comprehension of that retarded thing you wrote was semantically adequate.
+--- 21951872
+>>21951838
+I dont "guess" that these people do not have the required set of conditions for philosophical genius. I know that for a fact. I also do not read anyone who does not believe in God or have convenient metaphyiscal supossitions that I found adequate. My religion forbids it and it is inappropriate to do so.
+--- 21951889
+>>21944079
+You sound like a Redditor. Also, contemporary philosophers obsess over the "ideas" of other philosophers that made it a craft to be as unintelligible and disruptive as possible.
+--- 21951895
+>>21949851
+This. I'm OP and I'm trans btw.
+--- 21951937
+>>21951895
+Fuck you
+--- 21951979
+>>21951866
+>if you don't know who tim williamson or kit fine or john hawthorne or steven yablo are, then of course you don't know what's going on these days
+
+doesn't imply they're young. you just struggle to keep more than one idea in your head at a time. which is why you crave religion where all you need to know is one big lie and you're free to ignore everything that's too difficult to wrap your head around. pathetic. glad that systems are designed to keep people like you in perpetual failure. but keep whining about how you'd be fine if society weren't keeping you down lol
+--- 21952006
+>>21951872
+>>21951866
+>prefer obsessing like fanboys over dudes you think are cool, then actually working diligently to gain philosophical understanding. 
+L
+--- 21952086
+>>21950050
+>Wittgenstein himself regarded philosophy as an activity of experience
+Good for him bro but this isn't covered in the text. There is no intellectual rigor to your work thus it is not publishable. Stop being lazy
+--- 21952316
+>>21951816
+>youtube interviews
+go outside brother
+
+why is it always the basement dwellers who talk about the glorious labor of the great man
+--- 21952376
+>>21943904 (OP)
+if you wrote anything worth reading you wouldn't need to put it in a journal
+--- 21953689
+bump
+--- 21953755
+>>21946430
+>All epistemology thinks knowledge is X
+>Here are examples of X that are not knowledge
+>Therefore knowledge is not X
+Seems pretty straightforward to me, much more so than the vague pseudo philosophical frameworks that I see spewed out all over this japanese kimono sewing forum.

lit/21944148.txt

@@ -129,3 +129,73 @@ I keep asking bears on dates but they keep saying no.
 --- 21949770
 >>21944148 (OP)
 Geschlecht und Charakter
+--- 21950059
+>>21949005
+Excelent post
+--- 21950346
+>>21944802
+Jesus how sad.
+Women unironically prefer dad bods now; absolutely despise the connotations of a job that earns 6 figures; and yeah, probably still like tall men desu.
+You are a fool if you believe being a repugnant and fundamentally unlikable piece of shit but rich will get you a woman.
+--- 21950364
+>>21950346
+Women don't know what Dad bods are.
+--- 21950416
+>>21950364
+What the hell does that mean? At least try and make a point.
+--- 21950491
+I fucking hate women so much bros, I wish I could stop thinking about my oneitis
+--- 21950547
+>>21949005
+imagine never talking to a woman
+--- 21950567
+>>21950491
+Based
+--- 21950588
+>>21950491
+>oneitis
+Fag
+--- 21950651
+>>21950547
+Sounds peaceful
+--- 21950748
+>>21950588
+FUCK
+--- 21950772
+/thread
+--- 21950812
+>>21950588
+Having a oneitis is the standard disposition for young men of the higher races. One must be snapped out of it by an older male role model or a dose of reality as to how women are
+--- 21950843
+>>21950547
+Sounds like a good existence desu
+--- 21952602
+>>21944148 (OP)
+bump
+--- 21952608
+>>21944148 (OP)
+Any book on how to train dogs. Cesar Millan works.
+--- 21952792
+>>21944148 (OP)
+The average /lit/ poster has no understanding of female psychology.
+--- 21952799
+>>21944148 (OP)
+You're not supposed to understand women that's the entire point
+--- 21952801
+>>21944148 (OP)
+--- 21952828
+>>21946140
+>heartiste
+>game
+--- 21952829
+>>21944148 (OP)
+The computer was invented closer to serious female emancipation than female emancipation was to the beginning of the societal current (the enlightenment/industrial revolution) that allowed the invention of the computer to occur. 
+Moreover, serious political feminism - the kind that produces 'real' political candidates - occurs closer to serious public consideration of the conscious status of machines/AI than it does to the serious emancipation of females/the right to vote.
+--- 21953457
+>>21944148 (OP)
+50 shades of grey
+--- 21953499
+>>21952829
+feminism was invented by women who couldnt get laid and philosophy by men who wanted more than to get laid.
+--- 21953536
+might be of use

lit/21944681.txt

@@ -206,3 +206,125 @@ Any reason why you prefer a finer point? I always liked slightly thicker lines b
 the pilot
 --- 21949412
 G2-07. The 05 is like nails on a chalkboard. Much too sharp of a point to drag across paper.
+--- 21949979
+>>21949412
+looks like lanza
+--- 21950047
+>>21944681 (OP)
+it feels like your hand is surfing on paper waves
+--- 21950049
+>>21944681 (OP)
+Fisher Space pen is great I had two for years, but lost one. I like the Tratto felt pen made in Italie. I really like felt pens, I'm not sure which others exist. Bic 4 color is classic.
+--- 21950061
+>>21949412
+>>21949979
+he looks like he's about to burst into tears.
+--- 21951385
+>>21949397
+It feels more comfortable and allows for more control for me. Thicker pens are too bold for my handwriting. I've ventured into using the g2-07 Fine and have a few but don't use them as much as the extra fine. I started my fine kick with the TUL needlepoint pens but they have issues with clogging up or rusting for some reason.
+--- 21951452
+>>21944681 (OP)
+should I actually into fountain pens? My penmenship is pretty shit.
+--- 21951536
+Pilot G-TEC C4 as a disposable.
+--- 21951678
+>>21944883
+>this
+--- 21951707
+>>21945056
+Black Bic Cristal always gets the job done!
+Not a poo, but I love these pencils
+--- 21951767
+>>21944681 (OP)
+pilot 823
+even the wing sung knockoff
+--- 21951796
+>>21944681 (OP)
+--- 21951904
+>>21944681 (OP)
+--- 21951981
+a writer will use something like this.
+a delusional person who wants to be a writer will spend a couple hundred bucks more
+--- 21951990
+>>21944681 (OP)
+Pilot g2 07
+--- 21952011
+>>21951981
+the wealthiest writer of all time used this
+
+https://youtu.be/itWxXyCfW5s?t=118 [Embed]
+--- 21952013
+>>21951981
+Gamers, video editors, streamers, and filmmakers are notorious for spending thousands on the hardware they use creatively. Why shouldn't a writer spend a notable amount on their practice's primary tool?
+--- 21952018
+>>21944681 (OP)
+I like heavy ball point pens, other than that I dont care.
+--- 21952021
+>>21952013
+because the gear makes a difference in all those cases except writing
+--- 21952113
+>>21944681 (OP)
+pilot precise/hi-tecpoint v5
+sharpie pen
+
+don’t like gel since it smears
+--- 21952129
+>>21948748
+This but in black. The 0.5mm point fucking slaps.
+--- 21953167
+>>21945457
+Only middle class and nouveau riche idiots buy Mont Blanc pens. Have you even read Veblen bro? I am a genuine aristocrat and use cheap Uni-Ball Signo 207s despite having been gifted or inherited many fancy old pens.
+--- 21953177
+>>21944681 (OP)
+I was fortunate enough to find a Sailor Pro Gear Regular for ~$100 on /r/pen_swap, and it's been my #1 for a while.
+--- 21953179
+>>21953167
+How old is your family and from what country you sneeger
+--- 21953184
+>>21945399
+the .38 cap type are the superior muni pen
+--- 21953189
+>>21953179
+I'm descended from aristocratic families from Scotland, Sweden, and Sicily. Borders don't really matter when it comes to our marriages lmao.
+--- 21953191
+>>21944681 (OP)
+i have the one at the top of the pic if that's a pilot. it's a good pen, but i don't really like how it looks
+--- 21953194
+Who else is a member of the blue ink, 0.4 nib master race?
+--- 21953197
+>>21953189
+Why did you let Europe be taken over by Jews? All your empires are now being flooded by foreigners, people spit on your flags. What happened?
+--- 21953213
+>>21953197
+Yes, bad stuff happening all around. I do my part by donating to groups like the Nordic Resistance Movement, Patriotic Alternative, and CasaPound.
+--- 21953215
+$20 from Amazon
+--- 21953221
+$2 disposable. blue ink
+
+no one will steal it
+
+anyone who borrows it at work usually bends the nib and looks like a retard
+--- 21953222
+best ink ever!
+--- 21953223
+>>21953213
+What is the social context of your life? Is it still decided by birth or do you follow mass culture?
+--- 21953228
+how pretentious do you gotta be to use a pencil without an eraser?
+--- 21953236
+i use this for signatures only.
+
+don''t drop it or you'll need to put a refill in.
+--- 21953255
+>>21953236
+Do yourself a favor and dont sign anything in black ink. If you are serious about using a ballpoint pen, then at least use blue ink and look like you know what you are doing.
+--- 21953324
+>>21953223
+I'm quite isolated from everyone these days, as I was outcast from aristo society after my father killed himself. I grew up riding horses, doing show jumping, went to a boarding school that I was kicked out of for having sex with a girl, dropped out of college on my first attempt. Now I live most of the time in my family's pied a terre in NYC like a hermit, except I am married and have one child. I ended up marrying someone from my social class, which I was pressured to do, although in retrospect it was probably for the best. I had a working class American girlfriend for a couple of years who I loved madly but she had a huge inferiority complex that led to all sorts of issues. I don't need to work for a living, which is nice, but don't have much disposable income. One of my cousins owns a yacht building company, so I like to go out on his boats when the weather is nice. That's about it I guess.
+--- 21953333
+I don't know specifically but what I do know is this
+>Steel nibs are based
+>Cap pens are underrated
+>Twist pens are classy
+>Click pens are shit

lit/21944749.txt

@@ -126,3 +126,74 @@ That giant man worm looks like an uncut penis.
 --- 21949693
 >>21949549
 sus
+--- 21950620
+>>21949369
+I honestly thought heretics and chapterhouse were better than children and god emperor.
+--- 21950766
+>>21946568
+turning generic trash writing into unadulterated sci-fi kino. Love it
+--- 21950855
+>>21949543
+And if you tell them to stop acting like that they will tell YOU to go back. These people never belonged online to begin with, no matter their politically charged flavor of 85 IQ herd mentality. Steve Jobs has brought a curse upon every pocket.
+--- 21950860
+>>21944749 (OP)
+It is too dionysian for you
+--- 21950893
+>>21944749 (OP)
+I read the first two books of Dune, and they were both the most boring, insipid and aimless pieces of literature I've ever had the displeasure of reading. The endings were bangers tho.
+--- 21951022
+>>21945934
+>reading dune without reading dune messiah at least is like reading only the old testament i.e. extremely jewish behavior
+Fuck yes! literally every individual or groups of people display(s) jewish characteristics. I bring this up in every Dune thread.
+
+Loved Dune. Tolerated Messiah. DNE Children about halfway. Can I punt it and go straight to God Emperor?
+--- 21951038
+>>21947807
+No it's s shit
+--- 21951228
+>>21951038
+No it’s not. You guys are too stupid to appreciate Dune Messiah. All of the commentary slides over your head while you’re waiting for the next action scene. You fucks do not deserve Dune.
+--- 21951856
+>>21944749 (OP)
+i ordered both of the new dune trilogy hardbacks.
+im a slow reader so will probably take me over a month to read all the books.
+--- 21951890
+>>21946568
+Yeah, that book is a fucking biography, clown nigger. We all know he borrowed muslim shit from it to build their culture. Jeez. Faggot much?
+--- 21951940
+>>21950893
+Is this bait? You are fucking dumb.
+--- 21951966
+>>21944749 (OP)
+You will never be a real sandworm god-emperor and fremen will laugh at you behind your back. Its so over.
+--- 21951994
+God Emperor of Dune is great as an absurdist comedy. I'm not convinced of its other literary merits.
+--- 21952260
+>>21951856
+Those are kind of bad quality. I did the same and ended up returning them and getting the trade paperback collection on Amazon. I love it. About to finish heretics
+--- 21952263
+>>21944919
+t. Brian
+--- 21952273
+>>21944749 (OP)
+It's bad. and the whole rebellion sideplot thing gets abandoned 35% through
+--- 21952339
+>>21952273
+I am about to finish Heretics and I have to agree with you. Children of Dune God emperor were the weakest. I didn’t hate them but 1-2 are amazing and Heretics is right up there with those imo. The Bene Gesserits are my favorite part of the series. I enjoy the political intrigue in Dune and this one delivered. Dune+ Messiah was pure kino though too.
+--- 21952794
+>>21952339
+When I first finished Children I hated it. Going back on a re-read years later and looking at it through the drifting fremen lens I enjoyed it much more. Fuck those tigers though.
+--- 21952957
+Does anyone have the soijak pointing back variant with the Dune worm?
+--- 21953585
+>>21952260
+ah shit, if they are as bad as you say ill warn others lol.
+--- 21953771
+>>21944749 (OP)
+It's great. Just stop after this one. Heretics and Chapterhouse are absolute garbage. This is where Frank Herbert peaked. I liked how it's surprisingly very comedic at times.
+--- 21953775
+>>21951038
+The ending is pretty badass. Sure it's a bit slow but the pay off if good.
+--- 21953778
+>>21951022
+3rd book is a lot of fun towards the end.

lit/21945302.txt

@@ -89,3 +89,81 @@ wars are worth writing down
 --- 21949808
 >>21947268
 She was lying to make him feel bad.
+--- 21949930
+I saw Scott Fitzgerald ruin himself
+
+He took movies seriously
+--- 21951037
+>>21949808
+According to the one time Hemingway apparently demanded to see, she really was just making him feel bad about being average. Many such cases.
+
+>>21949795
+Pussy absolutely will break someone as sensitive as he was.
+--- 21951191
+>>21951037
+Yeah F. Scott was an average submissive MN male. As an Arizonan living in MN, men here ain't shit. They're all Scando femobys.
+--- 21951208
+>>21951191
+
+I thank god that I live here and not in Arizona. I hate hot weather.
+--- 21951216
+>>21951208
+Then prepare to get breeded by my cowboy cock
+--- 21951225
+>>21951216
+
+You are a tedious, dull homosexual.
+--- 21951255
+>>21951225
+It's not gay if you're on top. Cowboy rules.
+--- 21951353
+>>21951216
+You are a warthog from hell.
+--- 21951390
+>>21951353
+Nice.
+--- 21951439
+>>21951191
+Submission is fun and all, but not when you have a devil witch of a wife who's going to publicly embarrass you the way Zelda did. It should only be a consensual thing away from public eyes, and even then only for fun, not all the time.
+--- 21951497
+>>21951439
+Definitely. I'm just saying he let it happen and was a total faggot for that. Alcoholism didn't help either.
+--- 21952250
+>>21951497
+Some of us just aren't made for this world.
+--- 21952420
+>>21952250
+Clearly. The fact that Fitzgerald was gigantic after his death and universally considered mid during his life speaks volumes the way a lot of artists/writers do.
+--- 21952606
+>>21952420
+It's a pretty common thing for a writer to be unsuccessful whole alive and become popular only post mortem. This goes for a lot of art in general. That said, his prose is nice. But I wouldn't rank him in the top 10 American writers.
+--- 21952635
+I recently read Cioran's review which praised him only for his Crack-Up, an interesting piece. For Cioran, the basic idea was that Fitzgerald was unable to handle suffering, and this is what gives his Crack-Up such value, against his earlier work. Strange that Cioran deigned to note an American celebrity author, but I guess Fitzgerald spent time in France, so he would have become an object for Cioran.
+
+Personally, despite living in the area, I don't care. I hated the mandatory high school Great Gatsby reading just that much, whatever its merits. The whole exercise felt stupid.
+--- 21952705
+>>21952606
+Definitely. I love Tender and Gatsby but the rest of his stuff is pretty hit or miss.
+--- 21953369
+>>21952705
+>but the rest of his stuff is pretty hit or miss
+--- 21953594
+>>21952635
+That's a kino article by Cioran. 
+
+>Strange that Cioran deigned to note an American celebrity author
+Cioran was interested in due to Fitzgerald's obsession with money and success, the opposite of Cioran. Usually "artists" are not too keen on these things. He compared Rilke's poverty fetish with Fitzgerald and found latter the idol of his youth disgusting and dubious. 
+
+I love these closing lines of that essay, prefect example of pessimist pride:
+>We, on the contrary, deplore that he did not remain sufficiently loyal to that failure, that he did not sufficiently explore or exploit it. It is a second-order mind that cannot chose between literature and the “real dark night of the soul.”
+--- 21953601
+>>21953594
+>latter
+*former 
+
+Also more strange is that TS Eliot read Great Gatsby two times.
+--- 21953602
+>>21945302 (OP)
+literally who
+--- 21953675
+>>21949795

lit/21947038.txt

@@ -39,3 +39,49 @@ If the ring fucks you when you wear it on a chain and rapes you when you wear it
 Wasn't Gandalf gone for like 20 years or something? That's more than an inconvenience. He wasn't even sure if it was the one ring.
 --- 21948533
 >Why don't you just eat the silmaril lmao?
+--- 21949956
+>>21947038 (OP)
+Or he could have just thrown himself into the volcano once he got there, ring in belly. >>21947053
+so swallow it countless times, I don't see the problem.
+--- 21949967
+>>21947038 (OP)
+This is headcannon of course but, I think wearing the most evil thing is better than consuming the same ring over and over again. I bet eating the ring fucks you up even more, does way more wicked shit than just messing with the intestines
+--- 21949994
+>>21948392
+But what does it do when you put it on your cock? Does it make your cock disappear?
+--- 21951030
+>>21948533
+This image and the text made me kek so much.
+--- 21951034
+>>21949994
+Frodo the bussy bearer. It could and very much WILL adapt to the girth of ones cock. But should you cum, sauron would use that seed.
+--- 21951048
+>>21948517
+Only 9 years
+--- 21952552
+>>21951048
+17 years
+--- 21952562
+>>21952552
+9 years from Gandalf’s last departure to his return sending Frodo on the quest. The text explicitly states that Gandalf would be gone for three years at a time, returning only briefly for a night. Gandalf’s last departure was 9 years. Read chapter 2 again
+--- 21952751
+>>21947044
+kek
+--- 21952824
+>>21947038 (OP)
+Why didn't Gimli just ask for one of Galadriel's butthole hairs?
+--- 21953449
+>hed be damned if any orcs were gonna put their slimy green hands on his boys birthright
+--- 21953517
+>>21947038 (OP)
+Gollum's grimy figures digging deep into Frodo's faggot hole.
+"Give it to us."
+"NOO!"
+"Sticky bum gives us fun. Squirm like the slimy worm that feedsees the birds. Gives us precious."
+"My ass hole ughhhh."
+"I'll show you a sting sharper than that filthy elven knife."
+"Mr. Frodo!!"
+"Sam!!"
+Sam finds Gollum elbow deep and filthy. 
+"Sodomizer!" 
+Gollum couldn't unplunge his fast enough to defend his head from a frying pan in the jaw, his teeth dislocated as his rotten gums crumbled under the steel's weight. Sam was unrelenting in his execution of the gangly midget, misshaping Gollum's face further than the creators botched stab.

lit/21947130.txt

@@ -542,3 +542,893 @@ My biggest problem with Fantasy is that stories are rarely truly coherent enough
 I read a ton of LitRPG like Primal Hunter and He Who Fights Monsters and holy fuck you just get burned out eventually. 
 The quality takes such a fucking nosedive. So much exposition but somehow loosely explained shit. Usually it's basically the fucking meme "It's magic, I don't gotta explain shit."
 Give me a fucking break.
+--- 21949978
+>>21949792
+link it here, i'm a frequent RR reader and i'll give you as honest and frank assessment that you are ever going to get.  I will be brutal but i wont leave it in review form on the site or low star you in the case its not my favorite genre
+--- 21950006
+>>21949978
+I would link but to be honest with you I'm looking to compare and contrast opposing or similar reviews. If I just get the one from you with a bunch of good points I'll probably not even take them seriously until I have someone else to agree or disagree with what you said.
+I need multiple people to chime in or I can't accept anything anyone says to me good or bad.
+--- 21950023
+>>21950006
+>complains about no feedback
+>doesn't share work for feedback
+Anon i...
+--- 21950030
+>>21950023
+Okay fine. Tear me a new asshole.
+
+https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/67519/corvid
+--- 21950044
+Royal road is predominantly a fantasy/isekai platform isn't it? I've been browsing at all of the stuff on there and you can't go a page without half of them being either or both.
+--- 21950045
+>>21949906
+I completely agree those two are shit and just recycle and rehash shit consistently, But at least they go somewhere. Newer authors do the whole autistic magic system explanation thing but in doing so take the even slowerburn progression route like https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/57018/the-systemic-lands-dark-progressive-litrpg or https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/56176/firebrand. They stagnate worse then their forebears while stringing readers along with a high output schedule of elementary level english dialogue so the esl's can follow it. I get your complaint is about 'no magic system lol' but i would prefer to have a real story and less then a hundred chapters stuck in the tutorial or apprentice training level progression rather then a fleshed out magic system.
+--- 21950048
+>>21950044
+
+Yeah, it's great.
+
+>>21950045
+>Newer authors do the whole autistic magic system explanation thing but in doing so take the even slowerburn progression route
+
+Help im being personally attacked
+--- 21950079
+Have any of you read Neural Wraith by K.D Robertson? I didn't really like his fantasy shit but the sci-fi books are kick ass.
+He's taking a break to apparently come back with a better writing format, but I figured I'd ask you anons if you've read any of his stuff about what you think. 
+I enjoyed it, but I know it's not perfect.
+--- 21950117
+>>21950030
+>https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/67519/corvid
+>Your synopsis is fine till you get to the bit about asking for critique. 
+That last paragraph comes off like a needy dating profile. 
+>Prologue
+"the other lost to her many yards behind at a creek." - could just be me but that reads off.
+"she’s resolved making it out with a broken ankle or a bleeding foot is better than not at all." - I know what your saying but your prose is fucking my simp brain.
+"She’s being chased down by something, but can’t make out what." - The usage of past tense lessens the intensity of the scene.
+"but she doesn’t trust what the sound implies for a second. She knows it’s not what it sounds like. She hasn’t been able to trust any sound in the forest for some time now." - Three 'she's' in as many sentences.
+"Making her way west evermore she’s been panting in her panic" - is she one of fucking Poe's sedately moving ravens?
+"After looking back one more time" - remove after.
+"Ashley finds herself hopeful that if she just follows it south she’ll be saved, but as soon as she’s upon the asphalt she hears it." - SO MANY 'SHE'S' !
+"The creature’s call was guttural and somehow unforgiving in it’s aggression." - 'The guttural call of the creature was aggressive, unrelenting.' gives more urgency.
+"She doesn’t have time to take in more of it’s features as it comes dashing towards her, talons marking the road and it’s head lunging at her chest as the last thing she feels are tears rolling down her face before she dies." - Did she died from a thousand pronouns?
+
+All in all your tenses are weird and give the impression of a bored observer. You also need more violent adjectives to show how much danger she feels shes in.
+
+Might check out a few more chaps later. Horrors not really my thing, but since you are a polite anon i'll give it a shot.
+--- 21950134
+>>21950079
+He recently seems to be more interested in his world building and politics than writing smut (which has gotten tamer with every book).
+--- 21950207
+>>21950134
+Thank fuck for that.
+I'd rather take world building than the smut.
+--- 21950213
+>>21950117
+Kill yourself.
+--- 21950217
+>>21950117
+Thanks you gave me some really good points.
+Definitely need to try and find better ways to word things.
+
+Way too many "She's" for sure.
+--- 21950222
+>>21950134
+>He's toning down his smut with every book
+
+I'm so proud of my boy K.D. 
+He's growing up and giving us better books as a result.
+--- 21950225
+Good containment, thread, boys. Keep up the good work. Leave the real writing to us trad pubbed chads.
+--- 21950259
+>>21950117
+I should also point out I start my prologue with 3rd person narrative but the vast majority of the story is in 1st person following the protag.
+--- 21950275
+>>21950207
+> I'd rather take world building
+And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that but if a series starts out as your standard gotta-fuck-em-all harem pulp fiction but after a few books turns into 95% inter-beastkin political bullshit that is kind of lying to your audience. If he wants to write the latter that's fine but make it a different series.
+--- 21950317
+Sometimes, I can't tell whether anons in here are incapable of enjoying a story, or if the available authors are simply that terrible.
+--- 21950410
+So why is "self-induglent" a criticism? Is a writer meant to deny their own pleasures? For what purpose?
+--- 21950429
+>>21950410
+an author's relationship with their work should never come through in their writing
+--- 21950442
+>>21950429
+Why?
+--- 21950448
+Any tips on writing a short story?
+--- 21950457
+>>21950442
+it's spiritually ugly to write something to make yourself seem cool or depressed or intelligent and everyone has an intuition for it
+--- 21950482
+>>21950457
+Camus, Mishima, Celine?
+--- 21950483
+>>21950457
+Et alors?
+--- 21950493
+>>21950448
+Take everything that makes a good story; characters, themes, plot etc; then try to condense it to a few pages. Short stories force you to weed out the parts least important to the overall story you want to tell, and polish the ones you include to such a degree that the story still captivates people in spite of its briefness. 
+Writing shot stories is an exercise in reducing what you want to tell to its very core and finely chiseling that little piece of marble.
+--- 21950849
+>>21949897
+>King
+Cocaine addled woke hack
+he hasn't written anything good since he quit the coke, and even back then he was just shitting out so much material that some of it was bound to be tolerable by sheer chance
+--- 21950898
+>>21950030
+You should put a cover on your story, doesn't matter if it is AI (but if you do that and intend to make money make sure to use one that gives you the rights to your generated content) or just something you made yourself, having a cover at all is just a good idea.
+--- 21951024
+>>21950048
+>Help im being personally attacked
+You can be autistic in your sandpit anon, just don't expect me to get in there with you because i can't stand the stench of metaphorical cat piss. Besides, Skyrim mods were built for almost this exact reason.
+>>21950213
+Wut.
+>>21950217
+>>21950259
+Busy with stuff later chap rundown coming soon™.
+--- 21951043
+>>21950259
+>I should also point out I start my prologue with 3rd person narrative but the vast majority of the story is in 1st person following the protag.
+I would say you shouldn't do this. Maybe that means not including a prologue at all, even though I do think prologues can be useful, but shifting 1st to 3rd or 3rd to 1st without a very good in story textual reason is something that should be avoided if you want to keep the reader grounded within your story.
+--- 21951056
+Anyone trying to get published traditionally and editing to reduce your word count to that ideal 100,000 for a debut? Shit is just soul sucking. I'm looking at lists of filter words you see in every published author's work, trying to cut a word here and there, seeing where I can condense/combine/delete scenes while retaining a coherent plot, and I feel like the work is coming out worse for it. I'm still 13K over after cutting about 2K. 110K seems feasible. 100K doesn't. All this so an agent doesn't have their fucking email filter auto-reject me without even glancing at my query.
+
+I used to have fun writing, bros. Lately, it's just another source of stress. Self-publishing is looking better by the day.
+--- 21951089
+>>21951056
+The book I'm writing now is ~450k words and I'm 2/3 of the way done. Mind, this is the first novel out of a planned 10. I refuse to shorten my shit, split it or whatever. 
+
+I've embraced the fact that no big publisher will ever read my shit, so I'll stick to more literary/avant garde ones until I get a foot in the door
+--- 21951092
+>>21951056
+Have you considered just writing another novel and aiming for 100k from the start? You can always publish this one without the agonizing editing later.
+--- 21951111
+>>21951056
+>agonizing over a mere 13k words
+what are you doing? you're not 50k over, you're only 13k. an agent will auto reject you for a thousand other reasons, but not that.
+--- 21951114
+If you’re not within the top 33% most viewed stories on RR within a week you should KYS. 
+Or write an isekai.
+--- 21951126
+>>21951114
+>the top 33% most viewed stories on RR within a week
+where can you even see that metric?
+--- 21951128
+>>21951114
+>Or write an isekai.
+I'd rather just kill myself.
+--- 21951147
+>>21951114
+>Conform to the algorithm.
+>Produce nothing of worth to your soul.
+>Accept Bezos as your god
+>Become part of 'society'
+The solar flare that will scour us from existence can't come soon enough
+--- 21951157
+>publishing chapters weekly
+>entire thing is already done and complete
+>know i get the most views if i stay on the recently updated list as long as possible
+>trying to have patience
+>also just want to dump the entire thing
+ff
+--- 21951206
+>>21951157
+What’s your/what have you heard is a good strategy between books? IE the off-season? How to keep interest and build excitement for the sequel.
+--- 21951260
+>>21951206
+Fuck em. I'm not a content mill, this isn't a sweatshop, and it's not my dayjob.
+--- 21951282
+>>21950275
+Neural Wraith 1 at most had 1 sex scene between the protag and one of the robot ladies.
+Each book has pretty much the same but with a different one each time.
+The cat fights are kinda funny between them fighting over him but it hasn't really gone addressed. 
+That's the problem with Harem.
+Sure maybe only men can have functioning harems but when women have it it becomes really fucking weird.
+That's why I'd rather a pull away from it because it's such a double-standard and I'd rather the protag just have one GOOD relationship and not have to split his time between others.
+His other works basically had the protag just fucking anyone he wanted. No real emotional attachment just straight smut.
+--- 21951448
+someone post your royalroads I want to see what the people in this general write
+--- 21951469
+>>21951448
+https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/51796/a-hero-among-monsters
+--- 21951474
+>>21951128
+Yes! That’s how the isekai starts!
+--- 21951492
+>>21949585
+I don't understand. How are you saying this. Are you rewriting it all?
+--- 21951513
+>>21951448
+https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/49395/the-undying-emperor-grand-conquest-fantasy
+--- 21951514
+>>21951448
+https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/42627
+https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/65583/
+--- 21951517
+>>21951147
+There really does need to be two /wg/ threads. One for sharing work and thinking about craft (whether your work's literary, pulpy, whatever) and one for sharing stats and strategising over the self-pub hustle.
+--- 21951528
+>>21951517
+And both of them actively discourage people. Because you’re assholes who don’t write and want to stop others.
+--- 21951539
+>try to write within a wordcount limit
+>feels like getting blood from a stone
+--- 21951544
+>>21949654
+>Children having graphic sex
+That's all it takes to get banned. My stories are cute and funny with female characters described as elementary schoolers having sex with adult men, portrayed in a loving and consensual manner.
+--- 21951548
+>>21951492
+I had 75 chapters uploaded, then I stopped writing for 3 months. When I started again I decided that I just didn't like all of what I had written, and if I was going to do a large edit like this, I should do that before I continued my story. Right now I am writing new chapters.
+>>21951448
+https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/56518/the-child-from-the-woods
+>>21951474
+kek.
+>>21951544
+Kill yourself.
+--- 21951549
+>>21951544
+>That's all it takes to get banned
+not being a pedophile is not a hard ask anon
+--- 21951558
+>>21951548
+>>21951549
+sneed
+--- 21951561
+>>21951548
+Does that mean your rewriting it all when you edit?
+--- 21951577
+>>21951544
+You almost had me until the 
+>cute and funny
+
+>>21951549
+>he doesn't know
+--- 21951586
+>>21951561
+Not all of it. But I did do rewrites of sections of the story. I haven't gone back to do edits again since I started writing new chapters since if I just kept trying to change it whenever a new idea came to mind I would leave readers confused, which is why I did that large reediting of my story in the first place. I had written things without thinking them through to their logical conclusion at the very start and they would become a problem far down the line.
+--- 21951599
+>>21951448
+https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/21414/animecon-harem
+--- 21951602
+>>21951577
+But no, seriously, I do like having characters that are on the younger and flatter side as love interests and this is the easiest way to get instantaneously deleted from RR and Patreon because they hate loli. Obviously my prospects of tradpublishing are doomed as well.
+--- 21951609
+>>21951599
+hi forty
+how are trailer trash sales?
+
+>>21951602
+You can totally get away with having a flat teenager get with your mc so long as your mc is also in that age range, but emphasis on teenager. Take care to mention that she's underdeveloped for her age, etc.
+Mushoku Tensei got away with it
+--- 21951624
+>>21951609
+That seems like a headache and calling her a teenager implies tanner stages that calling her a child does not.
+--- 21951630
+>>21951609
+They're ok. Didn't go KU so sales were never going to be spectacular or anything. I still focus on Patreon to make a living.
+--- 21951640
+>>21951448
+https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/40361/erased
+
+Editing is really where the story takes shape. My first editing pass when I was initially posting this I added roughly 10 chapters to the middle, in various places. My second major editing pass I eliminated/consolidated 2 chapters near the start and I've reached almost chapter 30, but there's still a ways to go. Been a lazy fuck since finishing the draft for various rl reasons.
+--- 21951673
+>>21951640
+>since finishing the draft
+Ehh, you finished the draft before writing this? I haven't even finished my outlining yet.
+--- 21951711
+>>21951673
+I wrote 200k before I started posting. My posting schedule caught up to my drafting at roughly chapter 95ish. The last 4 chapters I fell off the wagon and put one out roughly every 2-3 weeks instead of once a week, largely because I scrapped the first draft of All Hallow's Eve pt 1 after writing like 2k words, and getting the ending coherent and correct required more editing at the time.
+
+My outline is roughly 3k words all told, including charts, I definitely deviated as far as detials
+--- 21951718
+>>21951711
+>including charts
+Wait, what? What have you organized? Could I get a glimpse behind the curtain? I have a single document of an outline around 2k words but it's only the start and end point.
+--- 21951745
+>>21951544
+if it were up to me you'd be killed, not banned
+--- 21951751
+>>21951089
+Pretty based desu. Writing's definitely more fun when you're not beholden to someone else. So are you going the self-publishing/royal road route with those long books?
+
+>>21951092
+I know that's the sensible thing to do, but I've gotten kind of obsessed with the idea and world I'm working on, so I started writing the sequel instead. Was enjoying myself and got about 2/3 of the way through before realizing I'm setting myself up for more disappointment if I don't get the 1st published.
+
+>>21951111
+That's the way it should be and was pre-covid, but apparently between how many people started querying during lockdown and paper shortages, agents have been cracking down lately. Some of them have a filter that will auto reject a debut author over 100,000 words. The stress of it all has me leaning toward just ignoring it and querying at 110K, hoping for the best.
+--- 21951753
+>>21951745
+Your ancestors thought otherwise.
+--- 21951769
+>>21951718
+A large one is in this
+https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/40361/erased/chapter/633314/reference-runemage-training-and-spell-list
+I also have stat growth rates, experience breakpoints, training point calculations, a calendar with a very brief description of the large event that happens on each date, spell lists from a couple other classes (not completely fleshed out, ofc)
+and looking at it, it's roughly 3k words, a bunch more boxes filled with numbers
+--- 21951780
+>>21951751
+Anon, there's nothing wrong with stockpiling a half dozen finished manuscripts for when you inevitably self-pub. Release them one after another and you can get quite a bit of algorithmic support.
+--- 21951793
+>>21951769
+I was talking about the outlining, not the worldbuilding.
+--- 21951799
+>>21951599
+That's insane 4k per month. Extra 50k a year. But your work ethic is insane. Every 2-3 days you have another 3-4k words. And can do it with minimal edits
+--- 21951854
+>>21951769
+oh the outlining? well the calendar actually played a very large role in that because everything was timed due to the way experience was earned, every hour that passed was like 180ish xp. My total outline notes for the last 4 chapters were
+>Halloween. Goes to graveyard. Uses Reshape on undead, puts them in bag of holding. Releases them in a couple points to start ghoul invasion. Also using Rudolf's look the other way magic. Halloween party at Shaker's.
+>So they end up *something* Mac. Rudolf, who is Rudolf Urasu. And then they also *something* Wolfe, who thought she was helping them, for *spoiler*. Maybe also Magpie but iffy on that.
+So a bunch of those notes didn't exactly occur like what did happen. There was no party at Shakers, that happened in an earlier chapter. The gy stuff was totally glossed over and occurred offscreen. The reader found out who Rudolf was like 20 chapters earlier. My outline is very, very basic. A very general framework that more lets me know where people are geographically than anything.
+--- 21951879
+>>21951854
+pretty much how i outline too
+just basic bulletpoints for who goes where and what has to happen
+--- 21951920
+>>21951854
+>My total outline notes for the last 4 chapters
+What about the first 4 chapters? Can I get a screenshot?
+>>21951879
+My outlining process is much closer to a summary than that.
+--- 21951944
+Out of curiosity, what is the ratio of people staying with the story from chapter 1 to later chapters? I'm guessing a vast majority only read chapter 1 and drop it.
+--- 21951955
+>>21951944
+Reader retention from chapter 1 to chapter 2 is near universally 50%
+it's weird how consistent that is
+--- 21951974
+>>21951920
+I had no outline for the first what turned out to be 9 chapters, 7 chapters now. I had a very basic premise that I started with: the npc guilds were shut down by the Houses and Macathy is upset by this and wants to get some revenge. I knew the revenge was going to fail and that they were going to stick him in the girl's body, and I knew the girl's true identity was actually *spoiler* Here are my notes for the first 100k words.
+>0th day, opens wearing rags, totally freaks the fuck out, gets stopped
+>1st day, wakes up tied to a chair, 2 npcs talking to her, tells them she's fine, they glance at each other because she's clearly lying. Hair braiding scene. Extremely hungry, eats porridge, thinks its the best ever. Going around visiting places, finding out about the debt, putting the pieces together that she's from the Bonneville
+>2nd day, start looking for someone to train, goes to House Mink, which is in the former Wizard's Tower, directed to the Library, meets up with someone pushing a cart shelving books, going into the sewers, grinding out rats, getting told to go to the bathhouse ofr the Council, misinterprets it as the person saying she stinks, thinks there are pluses and minuses
+>3rd day, go back to the trainer, get some more practice, head back to the sewers, start rat armageddon, gets a solid amount of money, go to the Rat's Nest, meet up with Rath, drinks, gambles, bathroom scene, robs the guy, ends alone in the hotel room
+>4th day, finds out that supposedly Macarthy brutally murdered 6 people the night before, thinks it could be a frame job using something like Melgorehn's Mask. In reality character went demonic, stolen by the compy.
+>5th day
+>6th day, meets up with Macarthy at some point, gets killed basically instantly, watches as corpse is desecrated and partially eaten, resurrected being held by Priestess Vivian in the temple. Cries.
+
+So then when I was actually writing I created two characters to bounce off Macarthy, Riley and Wolfe. I never planned for them to be anything more than bit characters that would be discarded a few chapters later, but then they took on a life of their own.
+--- 21951978
+>>21951448
+https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/57441/the-elevation-chronicles-grimdarklit-rpgfeels
+--- 21952004
+>>21950457
+sovless
+--- 21952025
+>>21951955
+It's not too weird. A lot of people can narrow down what they want to read by two different things and then end up choosing one over the other. But sometimes you just have to accept people will drop the book, it is part of readers searching for what they want. Agents and publishers drop writers for similar reasons but seem more strict because they start with so many things to consider.
+--- 21952040
+>>21952025
+I find it weird because it's so consistently 50% regardless of whether the story is utter dogshit or not
+--- 21952073
+Any of you concerned about AI writing? I know its still really shit but i'm worried how much it could improve... 
+
+Will people really be able to detect AI writing in the future?
+--- 21952076
+for mine chapter 1 to 2 is a bit higher than 50%, but only bit. overall I found that the chapters with sex scenes received less views than the others surrounding them - and I don't warn people that sex scenes are coming. my old chapter 8 Infiltration, which is where the sex scene was, only has 1200 views. I only removed it a few months ago when consolidating chapters 3-5 into chapters 3 and 4 and then chapters 7 and 8 into what is now chapter 6. chapter 9 of this is where the genderbend occurs so the dropoff after is sort of expected.
+--- 21952088
+>>21952040
+Mine's 11k to 8k tho
+
+>>21952076
+my sex scenes have big view spikes, lol. they come back and reread them, i guess
+--- 21952103
+>>21952073
+I'm not concerned about it. Based on what I know about tech advancement and the way AI is currently used at my job I see two things as far as writing is concerned:
+It will make technical writing more easy.
+It will generate more niche, lowbrow content.
+
+I do not expect it to even approach the sophistication of literature at the highest or even middling levels. The reason for that is because the human mind, when you really look into research the describes how it works, is still so extremely sophisticated despite how poorly we estimate the intelligence of others. For AI to write literature we have to have no only AI that has reached that sophistication after multiple other spheres of research are near perfection, but you also need an audience that can overcome the biases of appreciating what an AI has to say at all. It's possible that by the time both of those are true, humans will have already augmented AI memory and speed into their own minds. Not that I necessarily believe that will come to pass, but just putting it out there. Art and the appreciation of it goes much farther than copying things, it is an entire feedback loop full of our lives, histories and emotions filtered through several parallel thought processes.
+--- 21952104
+>>21951955
+Mine is under 50%. I'm sad.
+--- 21952106
+>>21947130 (OP)
+I am my ideals come to fruition
+--- 21952110
+>>21952103
+thank you, that puts me at ease.
+--- 21952141
+>>21952110
+If it makes you feel any better, me and others that have worked with it (physical sciences research) compare it to the hype that 3D Printing got in the 2010s. It is still a useful technology but not universally life changing. For example, people are still researching more viable polymers to 3D print houses on a bigger scale than they can right now. A couple companies offer some very bare bones almost /k/-tier innawoods printed houses. Obviously, people are still mostly buying the same houses as before. Same goes for many other applications, people are researching how to print with composites and many other "inks".
+
+3D Printing did get a lot of advancement initially, but the revolution was very oversold to get more investors and companies to jump in. Unfortunately some of the companies were using companies to just farm blue prints from other companies and claim co-ownership of patents. It's possible that AI companies might attempt the same thing, but even if they don't they are going to become limited by the tech paradigm for decades. One little caveat about Moore's Law (if it's even true) is that the trajectory is more of a wave a long the exponential curve.
+--- 21952176
+>>21947130 (OP)
+How do I keep my readers loyal to a slow-burn romance? Do I have to explicitly state something towards the beginning that gives clues to what will happen?
+--- 21952184
+>>21951974
+>Here are my notes for the first 100k words.
+Wait, the first 100k? So each line corresponds to about 14,285 words? Do I have this right?
+--- 21952188
+>>21952176
+First write something short with an immediate payoff, so readers know you'll deliver in the end.
+--- 21952192
+how do I make a story thats not an epic quest or murder mystery? It feels like without one of those elements theres no endpoint to lead up to, no anchor point to build a plot off of.
+--- 21952197
+>>21952192
+Take the modern literature route and just don't write a proper ending
+--- 21952206
+>>21952197
+how? How do I write a story if I dont have an ending to build towards?
+--- 21952214
+>>21952073
+My estimation is that it'll be great at churning out pulp fiction and fixing grammar, but struggle to do anything more thoughtful than that. AI can do images and drawings decently because there are patterns to replicate. It struggles with things like fingers because the AI doesn't actually know how many fingers people have or what a finger even is, it just recognizes when there's a bunch of finger looking shapes and colors and tries to replicate that. I imagine AI writers would encounter similar issues, where they don't actually understand what the text means, they just know that when X thing happens, usually Y thing happens too. So it'd be good at recognizing and making story structures, but much worse at actually creating themes and creating catharsis.
+--- 21952265
+>>21952184
+yes.roughly.
+day 0 and day 1 were chapters 9, 10, 11
+day 2 was chapters 12, 13, 14, 15
+day 3 the first part never happened and the second part was chapters 18, 19
+day 4 occurred during chapter 26
+day 5 was blank I had no clue when outlining what was going to happen
+day 6 occurred during chapter 29
+chapters 16, 17, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 27, 28 all involve and occurred due to the creation of those 2 characters during chapter 13 that I never anticipated would exist
+--- 21952269
+>>21952265
+Okay, I think I see the difference in our process. I outline every chapter individually, you chop scenes up into chapters. Do you think your method has advantages over my own?
+--- 21952272
+>>21952269
+Not that Anon, but I do publish on RR:
+The latter method works best for shorter, frequent chapters, which is a common practice to make the most of RR's "recently updated" mechanic, which throws you to the frontpage for a short time after a new chapter is posted. You can also post at awkward times (as in 12:02 instead of 12:00) to prolong your stay.
+--- 21952280
+>>21952269
+my method works for me. I dunno how it would work for you. and it's more that I have a handful of critical events I know will occur, and I sort of meander my story in order to hit those plot beats. if something strikes my fancy while writing dialogue or whatever I'll just run with it and see where it goes.
+--- 21952284
+>>21952280
+I like to describe this as setting signposts for the strory to grow around like a vine
+--- 21952312
+>>21952272
+I'm having trouble understanding the actual process. Do you write a synopsis of the plot, then write it out and attach chapter headers every so often?
+>>21952280
+>if something strikes my fancy while writing dialogue or whatever I'll just run with it and see where it goes.
+That sounds like hitting "continue" in character AI without adding a prompt.
+--- 21952320
+>>21951769
+Ewww. Do I have to write all of this before I start a fantasy story?
+--- 21952328
+>>21950117
+Prologue
+
+Ashley is running desperately on one boot through the cold forest night. The other boot lost to her many yards behind at a creek. The woman’s appearance disheveled and her light brown hair a mess from constantly tumbling down in fleeing. Coat dirty and pants ripped at the calves. She has resolved to make it out with a broken ankle or a bleeding foot than to perish.
+When she decided to go out into the woods of Washington state to camp out she didn’t think this is how it would end.
+She’s being chased down by something, but can’t make out what. It’s always one step ahead hiding itself every time she turns back to look for it. The shadows between the trees changing shape in the blink of an eye.
+Awoooooo!!!
+Ashley hears the howl behind, but doesn’t trust what the sound implies for a second. Knowing it’s not what it sounds like, she’s been hearing all sorts of animal calls, but has yet to see anything resembling them.
+Tenacious in the hunt, it uses the trees above to keep up with her while masking itself. Ashley hopelessly tries to make out it’s position in vain, realizing she’s got no other choice but to keep going.
+Keep running... Just... Keep running!!!
+Staying course towards the west in hopes of reaching people, she’s losing speed and growing tired. Knowing she’ll soon run out of energy, the idea of finding a place to hide comes to her, but she’s seen nothing save for thick trees and steep slopes.
+Looking back one more time, she turns to see what’s in front of her and her heart pangs in relief.
+A road!
+Ashley feels hopeful that if she just follows it south she’ll be saved, but as soon as she’s upon the asphalt she hears it.
+Caw! Caaaw!!! KKKKAAAAAWWWWW!!!
+Ashley’s blood runs cold as she feels a primal fear for what it means. The creature’s call guttural and somehow unforgiving in it’s aggression.
+Almost as if she’s done something against the rules.
+Running down the road she glances behind for a moment. It’s made it to the road and left the cover of the trees in less than a second. It’s dexterity unbelievable as it’s head snaps towards her, locking a pair of eyes on hers.
+Ashley whimpers at the sight.
+The creature is dark and taller than any man she’s ever seen. It’s eyes beady and pitch black, only gleaming more in the dead of night.
+Out of time to take in more of it’s features as it comes dashing towards her, talons marking the road and it’s head lunging at her chest as the last thing Ashley feels are tears rolling down her face before she dies.
+
+Would you say this is an improvement?
+--- 21952332
+>>21952312
+I just write the story as it comes and chop it up into chapters later. 
+
+>>21952320
+you can just write "Progression Fantasy" (literally just normal fantasy but buzzword) 
+or "cultivation" (chinese martial arts but you lean into bullshit mystical power growth and meditation shit)
+--- 21952334
+>>21952332
+>"Progression Fantasy" (literally just normal fantasy but buzzword)
+I don't recall normal fantasy having much, if any, progression in it.
+--- 21952337
+>>21952312
+NTA but the way I do it is kinda similar.
+Stories come to me in different ways, sometimes as questions or feelings I have to develop, but often culminate into multiple scenes that hit me really hard. And I try to write leading up to those scenes to build the characters and themes to prepare the reader for them and hopefully leave an impression as big as they have on me. I don't meander exactly, but there are times where characters are refusing to address their problem while thematically it is confronting them in every scene in a new way.
+--- 21952340
+>>21952328
+>Out of time to take in more of it’s features as it comes dashing towards her. Talons marking the road and it’s head lunging at her chest as the last thing Ashley feels are tears rolling down her face before she dies.
+
+Forgot to replace the period.
+--- 21952347
+>>21952334
+>fantasy setting
+>mc becomes proficient or improves in magic/fencing/etc
+>mc gains allies/boons
+>mc grows in basically any tangible way
+congrats you write prog fantasy
+--- 21952352
+Can someone just give me a normal fantasy story without all the cultivation stat maxing bullshit?
+
+Just a character on a quest to do something.
+--- 21952353
+>>21952347
+>congrats you write prog fantasy
+Nope. An MC getting a one-time powerup, even a brief training montage, does not a progression fantasy make.
+--- 21952356
+>>21952312
+>That sounds like hitting "continue" in character AI without adding a prompt.
+not at all. my characters, for the most part, are very opinionated and not terribly agreeable. if some line of dialogue pops out that I find suits the character I will lean into it. Wolfe is more outwardly agreeable, but that's because she's well meaning but also a liar and wants to keep the peace. Riley I sort of envisioned as the alpha female. beautiful, vain, forceful personality, used to being in the limelight, but when Mac meets her she's on the outs with her classmates due to her behavior. I never spell it out in the book, but I'm thinking what occurred was she stole some other popular girl's bf and that girl went ham and rallied all the others against her. Wolfe stuck with her because while she's smart, she has aspergers and is socially somewhat of a pretender. Like, she didn't know how to deal with breaking off her current social obligation after trying so hard to fit in before. Mac is Mac. unrepentant criminal and psychopath that views the world pretty much in black and white, us and them.
+--- 21952372
+>>21952352
+see >>21951513
+--- 21952421
+Has /wg/ finally turned into RR general?
+--- 21952424
+>>21952356
+>not at all.
+The process sounds exactly like that, though?
+--- 21952453
+>>21952421
+Definitely seems like there are more fantasy faggots than anything else so no surprise there.
+--- 21952461
+>>21952424
+maybe to an autist. I genuinely don't understand the fascination with faux "AI" internet scraping and chat regurgitation
+--- 21952467
+I'm getting worried, my fantasy story isn't about a highschooler who gets isekai'd into a world full of swords and sorcery with RPG stats
+--- 21952469
+>>21952453
+>it's another episode of /wg/ "muh litfic" faggots coping and seething
+every time
+--- 21952473
+>>21952469
+As a litfic writer I do hope the fantasy, horror and scifi bros make it. I read a decent amount of each in high school and were still pretty formative in my desire to start writing. But literary fiction is what keeps me going now.
+--- 21952485
+>>21952473
+Weird. I started with litfic as a kid and I'm way past that dull shit now. Give me the superior genrefic anytime, any day of the week.
+--- 21952491
+>>21952469
+everyone wants to write litfic but nobody wants to read modern litfic. At least with genre shit you can get a decent feedback loop going with readers so that you can stay motivated to keep writing.
+--- 21952510
+>>21952485
+>>21952491
+i don't give a shit about litfic and whatnot, but holy crap everyone just linking Royal Road stories. Where are the random ass screenshots of excerpts?
+--- 21952521
+>>21952510
+they're posting links because someone asked for links retard
+--- 21952527
+>>21952510
+A guy asked for royalroad links.
+
+>You want an excerpt?
+
+“I have to call the captain.”
+
+“Franz?”
+
+“No, Captain Hill,” Caydin said as he pulled out his satellite phone. In the belly of the oil rig, there was no hope of getting a signal, so he tried his luck with through his laptop. After what felt like an eon of buffering, the call finally connected. Eventually, the officer of the deck answered. Caydin clicked his tongue and checked the time, not even an hour had passed since they had last spoken. “Sir, this is Seaman Caydin Smith of the ARCAN-B.”
+
+“What’s evolved?” the old man asked, his face choppy and distorted.
+
+“The attack we think is biological, sir. I mean, there was another attack. Our aquaculture cage–”
+
+“Your what?” the officer asked.
+
+“Our fishing cage, sir! Something ripped it off the line. Here, take a look,” he said, turning the webcam to face Larry’s display screen. The pilot lurched out of frame as Caydin tried to align the view.
+
+The officer of the USS Oregon scoffed. “Soldier, I can’t see a damn thing you’re showing me.”
+
+Caydin’s face flushed. “I’ll get you some images sent over,” he said, gesturing at Larry who tried to comply.
+
+“There’s been a second attack though?”
+
+“Yes, sir.”
+
+Larry added, “Megalodon, I’m tellin’ ya. It’s a megalodon.”
+
+The officer scoffed. “Megalodon? Who is that? They’re watching too much science-fiction.”
+
+Larry grunted and leaned into view of the webcam. “Name’s Larry. Civilian. I pilot the sub that you were looking through just now. I am a private citizen and employee of–”
+
+“Thank you for your cooperation, citizen, you don’t need to give me a lecture,” the officer said with a wave of his hand. 
+
+“Seaman Smith, I suggest you brace your ears. I am going to begin periodic high energy sweeps of the basin. Unless it’s the water itself, whatever is out there attacking you, we’ll find it.”
+--- 21952532
+>>21952521
+But ALL royal road? Holy shit have none of you guys published on amazon?
+--- 21952541
+>>21952532
+i've published on amazon
+it's infinitely easier to make money through patreon, however
+
+see>>21951630
+--- 21952544
+>>21952532
+anons were comparing dicks by sharing their stats
+read the context before butting in, retard
+--- 21952545
+>>21952532
+i asked for royalroad links and now i'm following their stories. just relax
+--- 21952581
+>>21952545
+Thanks for the follow. Hope you like my story.
+--- 21952654
+>>21951448
+Sure, here you go lad.
+https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/61924/the-dragon-and-the-author
+And I've also been putting chapters on a rentry so that I can eventually post to RR daily.
+https://rentry.org/TDATA
+--- 21952793
+Reminder that >>21952532 is the level of reading comprehension of the people you're ask for feedback from here.
+--- 21952802
+If my chapters are extremely long, like 15k words each, would that be a problem for tradpub? Each chapter would be divided into 3 sections so readers have a place to take a break.
+--- 21952882
+>>21952793
+>being this much of a faggot
+You're free to leave
+--- 21952945
+>>21952461
+Anon, "running with it and see where it goes" is exactly what you do in these chat programs.
+--- 21952950
+>>21952328
+A bit better yeah, I was gonna move onto other chaps but we'll stick to prologue. Here is how i would write it, take whatever you deem useful from my edits.
+
+Part 1:
+>Ashley is running desperately on one boot through the cold forest night. The other boot lost to her many yards behind at a creek. The woman’s appearance disheveled and her light brown hair a mess from constantly tumbling down in fleeing. Coat dirty and pants ripped at the calves. She has resolved to make it out with a broken ankle or a bleeding foot than to perish.
+ 
+Running through the night in desperation, Ashley's progress is ungainly at best. If only she hadn't lost a boot! That was somewhere between here the creek. Not like her bleeding foot cares for such excuses though. 
+
+Stumbling from the fresh spike of pain her shirt catches and rips on a waiting branch. This latest mistake only serves to add yet another scratch to her arm, matching all too well with the rest of her tattered appearance.
+
+>When she decided to go out into the woods of Washington state to camp out she didn’t think this is how it would end.
+She’s being chased down by something, but can’t make out what. It’s always one step ahead hiding itself every time she turns back to look for it. The shadows between the trees changing shape in the blink of an eye.
+Awoooooo!!!
+
+Good.
+
+>Ashley hears the howl behind, but doesn’t trust what the sound implies for a second. Knowing it’s not what it sounds like, she’s been hearing all sorts of animal calls, but has yet to see anything resembling them.
+
+Flinching at the howl from behind Ashley almost trips again. Its not what it sounds like, it never is! Despite her frantic reasoning she shoots a glance behind to find it was just another cruel trick. Nothings there!
+
+>Tenacious in the hunt, it uses the trees above to keep up with her while masking itself. Ashley hopelessly tries to make out it’s position in vain, realizing she’s got no other choice but to keep going.
+Keep running... Just... Keep running!!!
+
+Fine.
+--- 21952966
+>>21949329
+Stephen King is the McDonalds of writing, this guy is more like the sloppy joe's taco truck set up behind the gas station that gives you the hershey squirts all weekend of writing
+--- 21952983
+>>21952966
+based
+--- 21952990
+>>21952966
+I'll take that as a shining endorsement for the RR guy then, because I will always prefer a sweaty turk with his parking-lot kebab stand to mcdick's
+--- 21952996
+Is the worst feeling in the world having 100 views but not a single comment? Not even "This shit fucking sucks ass"
+--- 21953008
+>>21950225
+The last anon to claim to be tradpubbed got a short story published in some sort of Dungeons & Dragons magazine, like, 15 years ago.
+And that was it.
+Color me skeptical, but if you told us your tradpub creds, it'd be equally pathetic.
+I don't expect you to tell us anything.
+--- 21953011
+>>21952996
+Yes
+Getting any comments of substance is like pulling teeth
+--- 21953018
+>>21952996
+>800 views
+>1 comment
+people don't engage online anymore because some people have ruined it for everyone.
+--- 21953020
+>>21950457
+James Joyce disagrees
+--- 21953022
+>>21951549
+Tell that to the UN.
+https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/2023/04/18/un-report-calls-for-legalizing-pedophilia-n544555
+--- 21953024
+>>21952996
+Imagine the number of people who lurk threads and see your posts but don't post a reply. That's just the nature of the internet. Plus there's also bots.
+--- 21953028
+>>21952206
+Neal Stephenson has practically made a career out of not writing endings.
+--- 21953035
+>>21953024
+Explains why people fish for yous
+--- 21953037
+>>21951448
+https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/54446
+I call it a "ludicrous mystery".
+--- 21953039
+>>21952802
+I mean, if you're going to divide the chapter into three anyway, why not just make it three separate chapters? My chapters tend to be 3500-4500 words with a few being longer or shorter, and they seem to be on the long side in comparison to most modern books.
+--- 21953040
+>>21952996
+>>21953018
+In what context is 100 or even 800 supposed to be a lot of views?
+--- 21953048
+>>21953040
+Imagine having 800 people reading one thing, or even 100 people reading 8 chapters, and not one of them ever saying a single thing? Not even "thanks for the chapter," or maybe a question related to worldbuilding, imagine a room with that many real people, and they all read your work and then leave. Not in the DNA.
+--- 21953057
+My prose sucks because I grow up reading millions upon millions of poorly written fanfiction and webnovels. 
+What resources would you recommend studying to improve my prose?
+--- 21953063
+>>21953057
+read good prose
+if you actually comprehend it you will absorb it into your writing style
+--- 21953070
+>>21953048
+Anon, look at just about any youtube video and compare the views to the number of comments. I think I read somewhere that a good ratio is something like 1 comment per 200 views. That's on a site where leaving a comment is a lot less effort and people engage with each other as well as the original content.
+--- 21953078
+>>21953048
+Nigga, the fetish smut I publish regularly gets over 10k views within a month and only half of them get any comments. 800 people is peanuts in the grand scheme of things. You'll understand when you get more successful, or at least more prolific.
+--- 21953086
+>>21953057
+Post example
+--- 21953088
+>>21952510
+(Gothic) Horror bro reporting in
+--- 21953089
+I wrote the following yesterday after going for a walk on the beach in the middle of the night. It'd be great to get some honest feedback as I worry that whenever I show my friends my writing they just tell me what they think I'd like to hear.
+
+In the near pitch blackness, the ocean reaches for me with icy fingers. The tide is low and I walk beside the void as close as I dare, strange shapes occasionally looming from the dark sand ahead. Gifts from the sea, carried over vast distances and coyly placed to take advantage of my curiosity, luring me closer.
+
+"Embrace me!" Whisper the waves. Embrace me. Embrace me.
+
+I am alone and the ocean knows it. 
+
+To my right lies civilization, safe and tamed. To my left, beyond the crashing lullaby, is inky, infinite nothing. Only the bright pinpricks of stars offer any clue as to where water ends and sky begins on an indiscernible horizon. Usually the sound of the sea soothes me, but not tonight. A wordless shout tears from me almost unconsciously, throat straining in this human act of defiance. How pathetic. 
+
+I am alone and the ocean is indifferent.
+--- 21953090
+>>21953088
+--- 21953093
+>>21952950
+>Flinching at the howl from behind Ashley almost trips again. Its not what it sounds like, it never is! Despite her frantic reasoning she shoots a glance behind to find it was just another cruel trick. Nothings there!
+
+Damn that's definitely better.
+I'm trying to for something more specific but that's really not bad at all.
+--- 21953095
+>>21953078
+I have easily written 20k words of fetish smut per week for the past few months but I just keep it to myself. Is there really a market out there for it? I never once thought to publish it.
+--- 21953097
+>>21953088
+>>21953090
+pastebin
+--- 21953100
+>>21953090
+This leads to sex, right?
+--- 21953106
+>>21953095
+put it on scribblehub
+thank me when you're rich
+--- 21953111
+>>21953097
+Cheers, anon
+https://pastebin.com/mu8tKVPF
+>>21953100
+Not quite but it's somewhat adjacent
+--- 21953113
+>>21953095
+Depends on how popular the fetish is. As long as it's not stupidly niche you can probably make money off it provided you find a way to sell your work, whether by doing commissions, opening a patreon, or self-publishing somewhere. Maybe not enough to survive on depending on where you live, but you'll make a decent buck if you really put in the work.
+--- 21953115
+>>21952950
+I feel really good about my prologue now, thank you.
+Looking this over you actually really helped me flesh out some of the finer details and taught me a few ways to word better. I gotta apply this to some more of my stuff but for now I'll just work on finishing my manuscript and slowly polish it up. 
+I'll upload on RR eventually but I really want to move the story along now.
+--- 21953154
+Anons, how early do you have heavy mental stuff with characters like motivations and internal feelings and such? I'm on a draft, and I have my character go through a detailed mental breakdown in the first 1800 words, along with a bunch of details about internal character motivation, which doesn't really leave a lot of mystery as to what the character wants, which I think is a good thing, but I've also heard that readers want mystery. What do you anons think?.
+--- 21953176
+>>21953154
+>first 1800 words
+>detailed mental breakdown
+unless this is interspersed with the character doing something (or failing to do something) you're going to bore your reader to tears. reading about some sadsack being a sadsack is the last thing your reader wants on page 1. reading about some loser stuck in his own head is likewise not what they want. if they wanted that they wouldn't be reading your book they'd be drinking themselves into an early grave, instead
+--- 21953181
+>>21952328
+Part 2:
+
+>Staying course towards the west in hopes of reaching people, she’s losing speed and growing tired. Knowing she’ll soon run out of energy, the idea of finding a place to hide comes to her, but she’s seen nothing save for thick trees and steep slopes. Looking back one more time, she turns to see what’s in front of her and her heart pangs in relief. A road!
+
+Onward Ashley's aching legs pump through the shadow filled moonlit night. Clinging to the vain hope of reach a direction even vaguely resembling west. 
+
+On and on shadowy trees and precipitous slopes loom and fade as she frantically searches for a place to hide. Finding nothing but exposed terrain her ragged breaths and weary muscles beg her to give in. To give up! If only for a moments peace!
+
+Then just as Ashley's faltering will is about to collapse, the edge of a road edges jerkily into view. She can do this! 
+
+>Ashley feels hopeful that if she just follows it south she’ll be saved, but as soon as she’s upon the asphalt she hears it.
+Caw! Caaaw!!! KKKKAAAAAWWWWW!!!
+Ashley’s blood runs cold as she feels a primal fear for what it means. The creature’s call guttural and somehow unforgiving in it’s aggression.
+Almost as if she’s done something against the rules.
+
+Then from behind the hunter reminders Ashley shes prey.
+Caw! Caaaw!!! KKKKAAAAAWWWWW!!!
+Blood running cold at the beasts cry as it rakes at her senses, her beleaguered body all but locks up in bone chilling fear. It's found her!
+
+
+I was going to do more but it was starting to feel like work, suffice it to say your improving, keep it up anon.
+--- 21953185
+>>21953154
+Readers experience your world through your character and your character's view of the world matters quite a lot, as it shapes the reader's view; however, like the world, you want to reveal that view slowly, by showing the character interacting with that world. You don't want to dump everything about the character at once; you don't want to dump everything about your world at once. Reel the reader in.
+--- 21953192
+>>21953115
+Oh good, please disregard my last post then i was caught up in baking :D Keep writing and don't let the down voters ruin your authorial experience!
+--- 21953196
+>>21953154
+I've had my main character go through three separate but related breakdowns related to him feeling like he has no control, and the first and third directly related to a time he nearly died.
+But, for the most recent near death experience, he doesn't go through a breakdown, he just gets strange and starts to ramble.
+He goes to talk with someone about this, and she knows him well, so once he gets into how he blames himself for not saving a boy who died because he wasn't strong enough, she hits him with
+>Do you even remember his name?
+and
+>Is this just a way for you to justify doing insane experimental magic on yourself?
+Another thing is showing how the monotony of schoolwork having a calming effect on him and he compares it to the past when he was forced to work long hours researching unique magic. Which, I hope people can read as him regressing to a time when he felt like he understood the world, even if he was basically in prison at the time and in the back of his mind he was constantly afraid that if he didn't produce results he would be killed.
+This then culminates in him encountering a boy being bullied. He had warned the group who was doing this in the past that he would not be so forgiving a second time and he ends up paralyzing one of the boys.
+Within the setting, this is considered an insane overreaction even though the boy can be healed relatively easily.
+I have written out his thoughts more clearly before, but right now I am leaving some ambiguity to his mental state.
+--- 21953229
+>>21953176
+My characters is essentially an entertainer, and the story starts with them doing their thing. But they have a massive identity crisis with needing to keep up a persona and acting all the time around everyone. They desperately want to be a genuine person and feel as if they are lying to the people they care about, but as the night goes on and they have to interact with more people, they basically have a mental breakdown where they are feeling physical pain and want to kill themselves. This sounds pretty extreme, and it kind of is, but I'm not sure if the audience will think it's melodramatic if it happens this early in the story.
+--- 21953239
+>>21953113
+Damn, it's violent stuff and from what I can tell it's banned most places
+--- 21953257
+>>21953239
+>violent
+if that's all it is you can probably sell on kindle. otherwise archive of our own or maybe deviant art
+--- 21953261
+>>21953239
+Is it something that’d fall under most profanity laws?
+--- 21953263
+>>21953257
+Choking, bloodplay, slapping, dubcon, and any heavier violence is all apparently enough to get you permabanned from selling on Kindle.
+--- 21953264
+>>21953263
+>dubcon
+What?
+--- 21953270
+>>21953264
+dubious consent. which is ridiculous women absolutely cream their jeans over that
+--- 21953275
+>>21953270
+Ah, yeah that makes sense. Not a term I often see, though I don't really fly in those circles.
+And yeah, bitches love that stuff. Reminds me of how some popular hardcore doujin are actually drawn by women.
+--- 21953281
+>>21953261
+I have no idea actually
+>>21953264
+Yep, what >>21953270 said, and apparently any spanking or whipping etc. needs to be extremely explicit that it's consensual or you can catch a permaban which sounds immersion breaking and boring
+--- 21953288
+>>21953281
+>I've got two things for you.
+>The ultimate ass wrecker 9001.
+>And a consent forum, please sign here, here, and here.
+--- 21953305
+>>21953263
+wait is it really that bad? the book I'm working on now the mc is going to get blackmailed/threatened into sex repeatedly. she's going to love it and hate it and then afterwards hate herself and her body for not despising it. then she gets bought, essentially, morelike prisoner transfer, to a women vampire. then the vampire gives her like one good cuddle session and she thinks things are getting better, but then it's just constant bloodsucking and no intimacy and she gets sexually frustrated as a result and she wants to go back to the other guy even though she hates him because at least he fucks her good even if he treats her like shit. I hope this isn't over the line for selling on KDP
+--- 21953360
+>>21953305
+From what I've seen going down the rabbit hole on r/eroticauthors, KDP is extremely strict on what they allow; some things make it through the filter but then get caught and shut down later. Unsurprisingly, Amazon is really hostile to erotica and will allow content in other genres but ban it if it falls under erotica. 
+Your synopsis sounds good btw anon
+--- 21953433
+>>21952996
+Normal human beings don't want to say negative things. Those who do are actively trying to hurt you, and you're not significant enough for the effort. You'd have to establish a position of superiority before they want to bring you down.
+--- 21953451
+>sitting on a web novel trilogy of over 300k words
+>can't post it because I'm unemployed and can't tell if I even have internet or a home in 1-2 months and would hate to leave it unfinished
+Mildly annoying
+--- 21953463
+>>21953451
+go to a library. go to a starbucks. more importantly, stop feeding yourself excuses
+--- 21953508
+>>21953463
+They let people into starbucks without a tie or an iphone?
+--- 21953515
+>>21953508
+you probably just need some leggings
+--- 21953522
+>>21953451
+the world could end any year now. Which means the perfect is the enemy of the good.
+--- 21953534
+Come hither my fragile flakes of snow.
+A new bread awaits us all >>21953528 →
+Yet post kindly, lest you melt another's dream.
+--- 21953605
+>>21953522
+Apocalypse would be a simple matter. If an asteroid was about to hit the Earth, I'd punch it back and go back to writing. If there came a war, I'd kill everybody trying to invade and go back to writing. If a deadly virus spread, I'd get more tissues and go back to writing. But finding a job that pays you real money and leaves enough time and energy to write, that's fucking hard man
+--- 21953622
+>>21953605
+giant mood

lit/21947134.txt

@@ -139,3 +139,92 @@ Don't get those panties in a twist you'll live longer
 >>21947134 (OP)
 >Why is /lit/ full of so many materialists?
 Because survival of the fittest. Materialism works, therefore its adherents propagate more.
+--- 21951153
+>>21949673
+If i point at myself would u be satisfied
+--- 21951173
+>>21949683
+At least it is one of the few categories of philosophy with a very definable sequence of problems, issues, and popular positions. Mind by John Searle does a good job at highlighting the development of ideas in Philosophy of Mind by focusing specifically on the problems at hand and their proposed solutions.
+--- 21951176
+>>21949703
+Oh so its just a retarded version of Library of Babel
+--- 21951254
+>>21947134 (OP)
+Because are in a stage of Kali Yuga that is heavily characterized by ignorance
+--- 21952047
+>>21951254
+>kali yuga
+>Some shit you only learned about from a book or the internet
+>material things made by engineers 
+retard, you're sitting at the recieving end of all this work complaining that people are too materialistic. y
+--- 21952989
+>>21947697
+It's not entirely clear what the relevance of that essay to the afterlife post is, but the glaring error in it is the implicit assertion that the universe is a closed system. This is a core LessWrong dogma, because otherwise Solomonoff Induction wouldn't be the One True Way to learn the truth. But it's not actually a reasonable belief. One of the fundamental physical processes is quantum state reduction, which is random, i.e. it adds new bits of information to the universe each time it happens. Yudkowsky copes with this by asserting the Many Worlds Interpretation, which is the claim that the state reductions we observe are not "real", the "real" universe is constantly splitting into multiple branches which are all "objectively" "real", even though what we actually experience will only ever be a series of random reductions which aren't determined by a shorter program.
+
+LessWrong is a useful resource because it's seemingly the only place where people actually aspire to understand and apply rationalism, while the typical Science Believer is a simple cargo cultist. But what you will eventually find (if you are seeking the truth, rather than confirmation that your gigantic analytical brain is Super Important) is that its most valuable contribution is demonstrating precisely the reasons why rationalism is an idol.
+--- 21953241
+>>21947605
+Are you STILL shilling this book?
+--- 21953243
+>>21948632
+Refuted by Berkeley
+--- 21953244
+>>21949673
+I would show you a mirror but you would die from how ugly you are
+--- 21953323
+>>21947605
+Spirituality (aka the occult or supernatural) is something real and it's extraordinarily evident, pic related is one examples. This is a hidden side of nature that most people are not aware of thanks mostly to the jews and the christgolems, as well as in most recent times skeptics who are liars and apologists for capitalist, mainstream science and academia.
+They're apologists because they're as dishonest and fallacious in their reasoning as much as the average defender of the abrahamic faiths. When they don't argue against theories like the flat earth or young creationism or other abrahamic belief, at best they will make a good argument against the weakest proposition of an idea.
+--- 21953332
+>>21949368
+This meme would be better if jewsus had a shlomo shekelberg face with a hooked nose.
+--- 21953373
+>>21953323
+lol why on earth would there be a massive global conspiracy to prevent people from reading the newspaper to get their daily fortune? and don't you think it'd be pretty difficult to fabricate an entire worldwide tradition in the physical sciences just to undermine the claim that your personality is determined by where a planet was when you came out of a vagina? you're dumb as hell
+--- 21953563
+>>21953373
+>you're dumb as hell
+He writes while not understanding the following
+>astrology and its possibilities 
+>power
+>capitalism
+Either kys or go back to r.ddit
+--- 21953614
+>>21947134 (OP)
+It is? I never particularly noticed. I'll be more wary of NPCs now.
+--- 21953616
+>>21947134 (OP)
+It's the standard brainlet worldview, so they adopt it uncritically despite ironically seeing themselves as smart and critical thinkers. It's the eternal irony of materialists.
+--- 21953617
+>>21947182
+Dennett literally claims to be unconscious, which is simultaneously more logically consistent yet stupider than the average materialist who claims that qualia are somehow "material", whatever that word is supposed to even mean, or that the phenomenon of qualia has some mundane "physical", whatever that word is supposed to even mean, explanation. The brain generating consciousness is as explicable as a genie popping out of a lamp after you rub it.
+--- 21953634
+>>21949774
+There is no such thing as "right" or "wrong".
+--- 21953636
+>>21949791
+Exact opposite is true. Atheists have very poor fertility rates.
+--- 21953709
+>>21947134 (OP)
+Because appealing to the bhagavad gita is not a solid account of consciousness.
+
+Two ways to deal with consciousness.
+
+Either treat it as overly mystical and ascribe some supernatural property to try and explain it.
+
+Or
+
+Treat it as matter of fact and proceed to explain it in terms of cognitive psychology and neuroscience.
+
+Both of these constitute extremes, and it is difficult to strike the appropriate balance.
+
+The former is not an answer and the latter cannot hope to give one. But philosphers do want an answer, so they start off on the more concrete foundations of the latter side. Where is the balance best struck? I don't know.
+--- 21953735
+>>21953616
+Lol
+Not a materialist btw.
+--- 21953762
+>>21947134 (OP)
+Because materialism is the midwits' kingdom and /lit/ is full of them, as is the nature of any public forum. 
+Todays mascots of materialism, the Dennets and Dawkinses, display such a disregard for serious scholarship that one doesn't even know where to start critiquing their positions. They have caricaturesque ideas about religion, spiritual traditions and (non-analytic) philosophy, clearly lifted from shallow popular treatments.
+Same psychology is at work in a major part of /lit/izens who love the battleground action of defending strong opinions on books they never read and aren't even particularly interested in.

lit/21947199.txt

@@ -941,3 +941,298 @@ God is not a given. It's a proposition, usually founded on faith. This is the sl
 >Japan's conceptualization of religion is fairly divorced from that of the West
 >purifying themselves with sacred water
 "Sacred water" is like ghost stories or UFO-abduction. Alien anal probing is supernatural, but not religious.
+--- 21950076
+>>21947217
+If you don't do the last one then you're not heckin validating those stunning and brave mohametan immigrants enough to live in a secular society nowadays.
+--- 21950184
+Atheism implies nominalism/relativism and a rejection of natural law. The Darwinian metaphysic essentially does away with teleology in nature; the penis becomes no longer an organ built and designed for reproduction, but merely a mutated deformity which over the course of history man has found it evolutionarily advantageous to use for the purposes of reproduction, but which in itself has no inherent purpose. Hence the sexual faculty is abstracted from its telos and man becomes free to pursue pure pleasure in whatever deranged form his appetite inclines him to: homosexuality, cross-dressing, fornication.
+To be sure, the Darwinian metaphysic does imply that *over the long run* those social attitudes which discourage such behaviours will eventually prevail, since it is an empirical fact that traditional sexual morality leads to higher rates of reproduction. But for the atheist this is a matter of no importance, since Natural Selection is but a mechanism and not a moral principle to abide by. In fact to even call it a “mechanism” is misleading. Natural Selection does not select anything. It exerts no causal force upon the world. It merely states that those genes which will die out, will die out, and those which will not die out, will not die out. A mere truism totally free from ethical implications.
+For the atheist, then, the question of morality is simply a question of his own self-interest and pleasure. Social co-operation is to be preferred simply because it is in the interest of each individual to live in a law-governed society; and feelings such as compassion are merely emotions instilled within us by the process of natural selection. Thence comes his one and only ethical principle— a principle so vacuous that even a worm abides by it — “do what you want as long as you don’t harm others”. And since the atheist is inevitably a nominalist or relativist, there is no man or woman, no objective telos baked into nature governing the duties of the particular sexes, no gender roles, and therefore no ontological reality of sex. Transgenderism is simply a logical consequence of this deranged worldview.
+--- 21950352
+>>21950184
+>man becomes free to pursue pure pleasure
+or pursue genetical engineering. Cloning, designer babies, artificial uterus, etc.
+
+>pure pleasure
+Yet self-flagellating religious freaks are concerned not with a long-term positive feedback loop. They just make an autistic screech "Pleasure bad!".
+
+>A mere truism
+Norretranders T. - 'The User Illusion. Cutting Consciousness Down to Size' (1998):
+
+"In Nature, Landauer writes about Bennett, Kuhn, and Lloyd-Pagels: “These definitions are, in a sense, tautologies. They all roughly say: that which is reached only through a difficult path is complex. Tautologies, however, are welcome if they replace nonsense. Darwin cleared the air by telling us that the survivors survive.”
+
+>his own self-interest
+All your altruistic actions are also egoistically selfish ones. In fact, when you do NOT pursue your own purposes, you are effectively saying: "I cannot find my own purpose. My life is worth shit." Which also means "Life per se is worth shit."
+
+If person speaks in a language of selflessness, it is a sign we're dealing with a sick wretch.
+
+>Social co-operation is to be preferred simply because
+And for a religious zealot, any kind of activity is to be preferred because some transcendent thingamabob decreed so, all empirical correlates be damned, just believe a fucking book.
+--- 21950371
+>>21950184
+>Social co-operation is to be preferred simply because
+Simply because you are hardwired not to want to die. And it is cheaper to be a part of a superorganism, in terms of thermodynamics and algorithmic entropy.
+
+>feelings such as compassion are merely emotions instilled within us by the process of natural selection
+Yes.
+
+>Thence comes his one and only ethical principle— a principle so vacuous that even a worm abides by it — “do what you want as long as you don’t harm others”.
+>one and only ethical principle
+Nietzsche looks at you with profound befuddlement.
+--- 21950384
+>>21947217
+Based. At the very least they need to largely abandon their abrahamic bindings if they ever want god to be taken seriously again.
+--- 21950421
+>>21950184
+>feelings such as compassion are merely emotions instilled within us by the process of natural selection
+A thought experiment:
+
+1. You've just bought a new fashionable suit, worth $1000. Nearby a young girl is drowning in a pond, desperately screaming for help. If you won't interfere, she'll definitely die. You can swim and save her, but your suit would be ruined. Would you bother?
+2. You're planning to buy a new fashionable suit worth $1000. Alternatively you could donate moneys for starving children in Africa. Would you allow someone on the opposite corner of the Earth to starve to death?
+Death equals death, yes/no?
+
+Conclusion:
+Your morality is a product of group selection. You care about vivid nearby cases, not some abstract distinct ones. Because your tribespeople's lives are important for your mutual survival, while outgroup competitors' aren't.
+Morality has emerged for group selection purposes, that is for intertribal competition, that is to fight off outsiders. There is nothing 'moral' in morality.
+--- 21950593
+>>21950352
+>>21950371
+My point was to outline the ontological grounding of morality in the atheistic worldview. For the atheist there is no ground to morality other than a self-interested desire to escape harm. The atheist reasons that the most effective way to ensure his own security is to co-operate with other men. There is nothing wrong with rape or murder, except insofar as it represents a tactical blunder; since if I am caught after the act others will seek for retaliation. If my neighbours perceive me as harmless, they will defend me; if they perceive me as a threat, they will eliminate me. And I do not want to be eliminated.
+
+The theistic grounding for morality is ontologically baked into reality itself. To pursue pleasure for the sake of it, to engage in, for example, homosexual sex, is not simply wrong because it is against the arbitrary decree of a divine lawmaker, but because it is *a contradiction with the very nature of sexuality and its real, inherent purpose*. This Aristotelian conception of natural law theory, adopted by the scholastics and implicit in the earliest Christian texts (Christ: He that sins is a slave to sin.), is a theory of morality which is not merely prescriptive but descriptive in essence. To act immorally is no less a contradiction than it would be for an apple tree to produce bananas. It is against nature itself.
+
+And, as I said, since atheists are perforce nominalists, the Transgenderism simply follows from their metaphysical presuppositions.
+
+One can see then that the atheistic conception of morality gives no reason for the individual atheist to refrain from evil, since, as a mere self-interested calculation, an adventurous atheist fond of risk can simply decide that, for him, the pleasure of a killing spree is worth the potential consequences. If he has compassion, he will of course refrain from such action, but even for the psychopathic theist it is impossible on purely metaphysical, rather than emotional, grounds.
+
+Now this debate on morality is interesting, but if we were to start from the beginning — the most fundamental metaphysical and epistemological assumptions of atheism — your worldview would simply fall apart.
+>>21950421
+Luxuries like $1000 suits are symptomatic of pride, which is a false belief in one’s own importance, and thus predicated on falsehood. Even if I were the richest man in the world, I would continue driving my Škoda and dressing modestly. Personally, I have never been tempted with luxuries.
+--- 21950754
+>>21950593
+>For the atheist there is no ground to morality other than a self-interested desire to escape harm.
+There is a thing called 'rubber hand illusion'. A propensity to confuse oneself with another object. That's how group identification works. What makes humans strive to achieve something 'beyond' themselves is a 'hive switch' (in terms of Jonathan Haidt), not God.
+
+>not simply wrong because it is against the arbitrary decree of a divine lawmaker, but because it is *a contradiction with the very nature 
+translation: a theist dares to presume to have access to the very nature of nature, and tells others that his opinion is akshually a divine decree.
+
+>This Aristotelian conception of natural law theory
+was naturalized by Darwin. Moreover, Darwin offers one IBE-argument (Inference to the Best Explanation), where Aristotle had two.
+
+Panda's paws are notoriously shit (construction-wise), not because they all are defective instances of an ideal class, but vice versa: whatever the panda's paw as a class is, it is a statistical mean of all the current instances.
+And it also merges with the conception of emergence of life. Animals did not just randomly appeared through a spontaneous generation, but stem from a "Tree of life"
+
+What was an embarrassment for the Aristotelian conception, became strength for Darwin's.
+
+>the Transgenderism simply follows
+the transgenderism is when you postulate a magical schematic of femininity/masculinity, claim it essential and try to deconstruct biology for this schematic's preservation's sake. No one becomes an MtF simply because of nominalism, but because of cute dresses and female behavior stereotypes.
+
+This is why tribal shamans decide to change their gender after drug trip revelations. Social constructs are essential for them, taxonomy is essential for them, while actual biology is not. If you do not fit in into one category, that means you have to be designated into another one.
+
+>since, as a mere self-interested calculation
+I repeat: if you claim disinterest as a virtue, you accuse life of being not worth living. The moment you speak of altruism as something obligatorily done in contradiction to one's own interest, you propose nihilism.
+
+>an adventurous atheist fond of risk can simply decide that, for him, the pleasure of a killing spree is worth the potential consequences
+Soldiers, executioners, black ops, etc. There are ways of constructively channeling those urges, instead of just ignoring biology and/or castrating oneself.
+
+>for the psychopathic theist it is impossible on purely metaphysical, rather than emotional, grounds.
+Just claim a god told you to.
+"But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth:"
+--- 21950763
+>>21949854
+You're being a pedantic retard because you don't know what you're talking about.
+--- 21950914
+>>21950754
+I do not very much enjoy these point-by-point discussions I so often am dragged into on this website, because I believe that they have the habit of obscuring the important for the tangential; and by an aggregation of tangential attacks and the necessity of defending myself on each one, the attacker creates the false impression that my position is somehow in jeopardy. I will therefore respond to what I believe is the essence of your post. 
+
+You proffer a heap of psychological reasons, derived from your atheistic-materialist worldview, which purport to explain why human beings behave morally. In the context of this discussion, however, these are irrelevant. I from the beginning have been talking about the *ontology* of morality; and how fundamentally in the atheistic worldview morality is an arbitrary human creation, justified purely in terms of practicality. One must not confuse ontology (“what is a thing’s nature?”) with epistemology (“what can we know?”) or psychology (“why do people behave how they behave?”). 
+
+Since atheism fundamentally views morality as either an illusion or a practical rule justified in terms of self-interest, the atheist has no ontological grounding for morality. He is just like the Divine Command Theorist, who states that things are good or bad based on the arbitrary decree of a God. The only worldview in which morality is not arbitrary and has a real existence is the one which bakes it into the ontological nature of reality; which states that murder or homosexuality, for example, are just as wrong as the statement “2+2=5” or “this apple tree produces bananas”. It is most purely expressed in Aristotelian natural law theory, adopted and propagated by the Catholic Church.
+
+Finally, my claim from the beginning has been that the atheistic worldview implies transgenderism because of its conception of morality as well as its nominalism. “Do what you want as long as it doesn’t aggress against others”, which is the only principle derivable from a purely practical conception of morality, combined with the view that “Man” and “Woman” are mere labels referring to nothing real, necessarily implies that transwomen are women.
+
+The natural law theorist would say on the contrary that in our very bodies we are able to discern our responsibilities and duties. Not only does Man and Woman exist as Forms, irreformable by mutilation, they each have their own particular telos and hence gender roles in particular are necessary and just.
+
+I want to ask you: what is your particular argument against transgenderism? And if you don’t have one, then don’t you agree with me?
+--- 21951020
+>>21950914
+>seethes about atheism
+>believes in "god" for culture war purposes
+lol lmao even
+--- 21951050
+>>21950593
+>since atheists are perforce nominalists, the Transgenderism simply follows from their metaphysical presuppositions
+Transgenderism has far more to do with a sacred and transcendental mindset than it does with the mere rejection of theism. By sacrificing parts of his body, the neo-eunuch is elevated within society as someone set apart, who has been ennobled and allowed to ritually transgress "the rules" ordinary people are bound by. He bears the modern day version of the holy stigmata, the divine wounds which do not heal and serve as a marker of his ideological piety and faith to the idea of Woman as an eternal form superior to his own natural one. He is reborn—no, resurrected—into a greater order which the rest of us must respect or face trials of heresy, economic exclusion, and social ostracism. A truly committed atheist should be anti-clerical toward all these faiths, and not bow to an agenda whose values are those of slaves. Let those who wish to yearn for their rebirth into a new life do so, for they are all equals in nihilism and were indeed bred and born that way.
+--- 21951140
+>>21948679
+They're all similar.
+Christianity: blood-cult, life is suffering, priests have free access to children, sky daddy is simultaneously LE ABSTRACT FIRST PRINCIPLE but also a literal dude. God is somehow omniscient but also needs to be personified in order to commune with humanity 
+Judaism: circumcision cult, believes they're le superior master race, God is bipolar and makes them wage holy war, most of them don't even believe in him.
+Islam: Comically repressive, prophet is literally just some guy who had schizophrenia and was a pedophile, followers are 100% bloodthirsty, fight over the most retarded sectarian issues.
+--- 21951144
+>>21950914
+>the *ontology* of morality
+Which has to be grounded in the neurobiology of your brain.
+>One must not confuse ontology (“what is a thing’s nature?”) with epistemology (“what can we know?”) or psychology (“why do people behave how they behave?”).
+One must show how one level correlates with another, elsewise you are producing "the Sun arises in the East" kind of explanations: it is an instrumentalization of a perspectival illusion - locally useful to orient oneself on the surface of the planet, but it is the Earth that does all the moving. Move into space, and it becomes completely useless.
+
+>ontology (“what is a thing’s nature?”)
+The absence of information is different from the information of absence. You do not have access to such answers. To speak of ontology (or rather the ontology of the ontology), one must deal with epistemology.
+And just as your eye cannot see its seeing, you are not physically capable to cognize your cognizing. All your self-knowledge is heuristics. To speak of epistemology, one must switch to psychology.
+
+>He is just like the Divine Command Theorist, who states that things are good or bad based on the arbitrary decree of a God.
+These "good/bad" proclamations are filtered through natural selection. If they are not viable, you go extinct. And their viability depends on the external environment - the criteria of this filter change.
+>arbitrary decree of a God
+I suppose, you could equate this God (the source of the probabilistical correctness/wrongness) with Complexity Theory, an unaccountable changing of the boundary conditions of the dynamical process as it unfolds, - but "God" usually implies intentionality, while this thing would be too unsentient/lovecraftian and is tied to thermodynamics.
+
+>Aristotelian natural law theory
+Which - just like Aristotelian physics - has been proven not to be scientifically viable. If you dispute scientific methodology, then reject all scientific progress and return into a cave.
+
+>Finally, my claim from the beginning has been that the atheistic worldview implies transgenderism
+To which it has been replied, that it is the rigid ontology that implies transgenderism. And unless you claim, that tribals are crypto-atheists, it actually proves to be a widespread religious/cultural phenomena.
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_history#Traditional_Bantu_third_genders
+
+>that “Man” and “Woman” are mere labels referring to nothing real
+>necessarily implies that transwomen are women.
+If they refer to nothing real, then you CANNOT claim that "computers are essentially for boys, dolls are for girls". And therefore, a man CANNOT claim to be a woman (magically changing his essence into a woman's) on the basis of wanting to wear a skirt.
+Just because gender theorists spurt out 2 mutually-exclusive claims ("social constructs refer to nothing real" and "transwomen are women"), does not imply that one follows from another.
+--- 21951174
+>>21950914
+>“Do what you want as long as it doesn’t aggress against others”
+No, that would be Kant's categorical imperative: do unto others as you wish to be done onto you.
+And it had been reformulated by Nietzsche: if you are willing to disregard your own well-being, its absolutely okay to harm the others.
+--- 21951199
+>>21951144
+Their argument is that since nominalism is true, all of our categories are simply made up. Thus we can assign to the concept “womanhood” anything we wish. Also, not recognising trans women as women is a direct affront to their psychology, since (they claim) it makes them feel bad to the point of suicide in some cases. So we should just call them women.
+
+I don’t see how you would respond to this. You don’t believe there is such a thing Womanhood; you believe it is merely a name. So society can change the concept however it wishes, for the good of everybody (in accordance with the atheistic practical moral of do what thou wilt but do not infringe against others).
+
+I do believe in reason and science (not scientism; science being merely a minor subset of philosophy). But I do not believe in “The Academy” or the idea that scientific consensus offers anything other than a slight probability in favour of the idea agreed upon, necessarily weaker than a demonstrative argument to the contrary. Aristotelian physics (or metaphysics) has not been shown to be “unviable”. There are modern day physicists such as Carlo Rovelli and others (to give you your so-desired stamp of Authority) that believe Aristotelian physics and metaphysics is reconcilable with modern physics and is therefore a real scientific achievement.
+
+Anyway, thanks for the discussion. I’ll read your response if you have one but I won’t be responding again for the sake of my own time, energy, and sanity.
+--- 21951357
+>>21951199
+>since nominalism is true, all of our categories are simply made up
+Yet biology is not.
+Trying to deconstruct biology is akin to certain postmodernists' claiming that tuberculosis did not exist prior to the invention of the term in 1882.
+
+>I don’t see how you would respond to this. You don’t believe there is such a thing Womanhood; you believe it is merely a name. So society can change the concept however it wishes
+We can also theoretically assign any function to any object: a microscope is for scratching one's back. This is a general problem with functionalism - either one has a definite filtration criterion, or one can spawn infinities of explanations. Which is why biology is a hard science, and sociology is not so much.
+But just because I am unwilling to re-assign a microscope into a back-scratcher, it does not follow that it has to have an essence of Microscopiness.
+
+>You don’t believe there is such a thing Womanhood;
+Classification of a woman as a woman is tied to her biological ability to reproduce. You cannot simply make up that. No ontological essences are needed, however: either you are empirically equipped with certain organs and chromosomes, or not. The rest is negotiable. A girl may like computers and dress like a tomboy, but she is still a woman.
+
+The transgenders, however, are fetishistic concerning the behavioral stereotypes. They just want superficial mimicry: to menstruate with blood like women, etc.
+--- 21951409
+>>21950914
+>an arbitrary human creation
+Secular ethics is not arbitrary, and religious mythology is a human creation too, like it or not.
+--- 21951413
+>>21947199 (OP)
+>social decline
+Newfags post twitter threads, how's that for social decline you black gorilla nigger?
+
+>>21948113
+Most convincing argument I've ever seen against the existence of a just God.
+--- 21951417
+>>21950184
+>the Darwinian metaphysic
+You're not anywhere near as smart as you think you are. Your observations are trite, your arguments flawed. There is no such thing as "Darwinian metaphysics", there is just reality and what we can learn about it. Now, if you don't like reality, and flee it into a delusion, then I guess religion really would be your cup of tea.
+
+In your analysis of atheists, you reduce man too far, as if, simply because the mechanics of evolution are blind, merely individuals living or dying based on genes interacting with environment, this somehow reduces the cognitive faculties of man. Once you have a mind capable of higher reasoning, you can have compassion, nobility, empathy, all arising from humanity's evolutionary of living in societies together, and not diminished by the understanding of how they arise at all.
+
+As stated earlier in this thread, there are better and worse ways to live in society with other man. You seem awfully hung up on "telos", but the fact is our biological systems are set up to pursue certain things and desire certain things as a matter of our existence. These things include deeply meaningful things (the fact that they are relatively meaningful does not change the fact that we find them meaningful), such as family, community, honor, nobility, in short: virtue. None of these things are contingent on a "God" or any religious system at all.
+
+If you think an accurate understanding of how the natural world exists and functions equate to a "deranged worldview", your only alternative is to cloak yourself in a delusion to hide from the truth of reality. Choose carefully.
+--- 21951443
+>>21950914
+>I do not very much enjoy these point-by-point discussions I so often am dragged into on this website, because I believe that they have the habit of obscuring the important for the tangential
+>"I don't like having to defend my ludicrous and outrageous statements which are, in fact, indefensible"
+Say no more.
+--- 21951481
+>>21950914
+>practical rule justified in terms of self-interest
+Do you suppose that an individual's self interest is not also in seeing his fellow man do well? No man is an island, his self interest is served when his group does well in life, as a result, he works to advance his family, his community, and perhaps, in diminishing degrees, his country and his race. The things you seem to be downplaying, human solidarity, is not absent simply because all that operate are natural laws. There are virtues that can be discovered by reason, but contemplating what actions, what behaviors, lead to the most flourishing, well being, and ultimately desirable outcomes for a society. Thus, the selfish interest and the interest of the society converge, even more so the more people contribute to this synergistic relationship.
+
+Let me put it this way, Aristotle wrote that the virtues can be discovered by way of reason. This is consistent with a natural, atheistic viewpoint. There are objectively better and worse ways to organize society, better and worse ways to behave in that society. Again, in a very real sense, our desires themselves are objective things because they arise from material causes in nature (our biology shaped by evolution). Thus, our desires, guided by reason, can attain the heights of morality and virtue, and it's only through the foregoing of reason that catastrophe can arise.
+--- 21951507
+>>21950914
+>The natural law theorist would say on the contrary that in our very bodies we are able to discern our responsibilities and duties. Not only does Man and Woman exist as Forms, irreformable by mutilation, they each have their own particular telos and hence gender roles in particular are necessary and just.
+>I want to ask you: what is your particular argument against transgenderism? And if you don’t have one, then don’t you agree with me?
+One can argue against transgenderism on strictly materialistic grounds regarding society and it's desired outcome. Simply ask this, will society help more people to attain happy, satisfying lives with an increase in transgender people or a decrease? I think reason will support the fact that people are better off, generally, not taking drastic surgical or hormonal actions to alter their bodies, and have better outcomes by trying to conform to their natural sex. Now, this leads to the most important question, how much pressure should be applied to people to conform to prescribed modes, or "forms" and how much should individual liberty be respected? The case could be made that it's better for there to be liberty, that people can cross dress if that is the exercise of their liberty, and that any authoritarian intervention would lead to a diminishing of the flourishing of society. These questions can be answered on naturalistic and materialistic grounds, no appeal to divine telos or "God" needed.
+--- 21951709
+>>21951481
+Aristotle is not consistent with atheism. 
+
+Reason is impossible under an atheistic worldview since for the atheist the mind is identical to the brain, a material object made out of atoms, and the process of reasoning is simply identical to the movements of these atoms in particular configurations — a view which obviously reduces to absurdity. The laws of logic, mathematics, and even our own sense-impressions are not objectively real but are merely reflections of the atomic-physical structure of the human brain; which inexplicably are transformed into the phenomenon of conscious experience when certain movements of particles occur. The sober human brain’s configuration of atoms is only arbitrarily preferred over the configuration of atoms of a human high on drugs, or a cat. Either that or “consciousness is an illusion” as the consistent atheists say while desperately trying to fit everything into their materialist box.
+
+When I say atheist here I do not mean one who withholds belief in a particular religion, but one who subscribes to the Darwinist worldview: that the world popped into existence from nothing and by a series of unguided and random processes human life came about. To compare this to Aristotle is to betray your own ignorance, since it is precisely the inversion of Aristotle, for whom everything is guided by striving towards God.
+--- 21951752
+>>21951709
+>Reason is impossible under an atheistic worldview since for the atheist the mind is identical to the brain, a material object made out of atoms, and the process of reasoning is simply identical to the movements of these atoms in particular configurations — a view which obviously reduces to absurdity.
+On the contrary. Just because we can understand the mechanics that give rise to the phenomenon does not, in anyway, diminish the phenomenon. If you are the previous anon, you seem to do this a lot. As if knowing that atoms are the core composition of a thing changes the end result. As if you need there to be some unknown magic property in something in order for "reason" or other macro phenomenon to actually exist. This is a fallacy known as the fallacy of personal incredulity. Reason, as we know it, absolutely can and does arise from the material thing known as a brain, which operates under material laws. The complexity is key, something you seem intend on downplaying.
+>Aristotle, for whom everything is guided by striving towards God.
+lol are you for real? Aristotle lived in ancient Greece where there was a whole pantheon of gods. He explicitly states that virtues can be arrived at by reason which tempers desire, you should read The Nicomachean Ethics.
+
+Also, as a point of interest, are you denying "the Darwinist worldview"? Does natural selection and random gene combination and gene mutation not exist in the natural world?
+--- 21951794
+>>21951752
+You're right, but the other guy knows more about the subject than you
+--- 21953010
+>>21947990
+>Assmann
+--- 21953291
+>>21947371
+Based and true. Most of societial ills being with fornication.
+--- 21953295
+>>21947952
+That's a terrible argument. There can be practical considerations as well as metaphysical ones. One could very well say, because there's an ideal social order that's Divinely appointed breaking it will inevitably have bad social consequences.
+--- 21953308
+>>21947199 (OP)
+
+the worst countries are religious countries
+
+people in nordic countries are all atheists. east asians are all atheists(except for some koreans)
+--- 21953310
+niggers are all religious and they commit violent crimes
+religion doesn't seem to prevent them from being cunts
+--- 21953313
+>>21953308
+
+What's the obsession with this? If you visit Japan you find a lot of well put together, dressed formal and the hold them selves in a regal manner. They're freaking hot and they read lots too. Why do weebs like these weird child behavior women?
+--- 21953314
+>>21947281
+niggers are more likely to be religious than non-religious
+
+you are more of a nigger than an atheist. atheism is very white
+--- 21953317
+>>21953313
+
+> Why do weebs like these weird child behavior women?
+
+because they are cute and attractive
+--- 21953326
+>>21953314
+
+than an atheist is*
+--- 21953334
+religion is for low iq niggers
+--- 21953336
+https://youtu.be/uYE2Urp1n8s?t=11 [Embed]
+--- 21953474
+>>21950914
+>I from the beginning have been talking about the *ontology* of morality and how fundamentally in the atheistic worldview morality is an arbitrary human creation
+You are misguided because you are stuck in a christian dualism between man and nature that does not appreciate the radicality of so-called darwinian metaphysics.
+Immanent to this metahysics is the view that man is part of nature and a creation of nature. Since man has preferences and teleology, it follows that nature itself has it, as man is part of nature. The entire point of darwinian metaphysics is to deny the radical split between man and nature that you are using as a tool to criticize it. 
+Now you might think you've won because this is just about preferences, but it entails no problems to take the further step and say that nature has testified its preference for being over non-being and for life over inert matter via the very process of evolution. This provides all the building blocks needed to construct a metaethical realism that goes far beyond securing individual preferences without any need for theology, and the resultant metaethical realism is just as metaphysically tenable as whatever theological one you can cook up, but relies less on speculation. 
+
+>The natural law theorist would say on the contrary that in our very bodies we are able to discern our responsibilities and duties. Not only does Man and Woman exist as Forms, irreformable by mutilation, they each have their own particular telos and hence gender roles in particular are necessary and just.
+God isn't needed for this either. You could just as well postulate "moral facts" as you could postulate "God", and thus remain in an atheist metaphysics, and there is no compelling reason why the latter should be preferred.
+--- 21953486
+>>21953308
+Nordic and East Asian countries are on their way to extinction.
+--- 21953774
+>>21950914
+>I must believe in God, otherwise I'm incapable of formulating a single argument against trannies
+Aquinas is rolling in his grave.

lit/21947634.txt

@@ -21,3 +21,31 @@ Kek, same. My father had this movie on VHS and I’ve learnt fapping to it aroun
 No, and stop searching.
 --- 21949778
 I would just like to state for the record that Frank Langella is, was, and always shall be a poor man's Christopher Lee.
+--- 21950850
+>>21949714
+I will not.
+--- 21950892
+>>21949778
+To be fair, that's not exactly a bad thing to be.
+--- 21951309
+>>21947634 (OP)
+The devil isn’t Lucifer 
+>>21948045
+She was an Angel 
+>>21949778
+Frank Langella isn’t Christopher Lee
+--- 21951316
+>>21951309
+>She was an Angel
+Fallen, maybe.
+--- 21951332
+>>21951316
+Yhwh is a cruel and prudish deity. Falling from his favor isn’t such a bad thing.
+--- 21951364
+>>21947634 (OP)
+What I don't get is why do people in old times refer to Satan as Lucifer if Lucifer was just le King James Bible minstranslation.
+--- 21952866
+>>21951364
+Christians are well known for being morons
+--- 21952880
+Why did Satan pick Johnny Depp over the old dude with the trendy specs? He seemed more deserving to enter the 9th gate desu.

lit/21947932.txt

@@ -36,9 +36,6 @@ the left has gone insane
 --- 21948007
 >>21947996
 Politics makes people retarded tribal ooga boogas.
---- 21948010
->>21947996
-Shut up chudlet
 --- 21948036
 >>21947987
 >America's Christianity is tied to financial success
@@ -414,3 +411,778 @@ Shakspere is a sham. Remind me when it's Bacon's birthday
 >She always finds it funny when I talk like this but for the past few months she has actually been losing weight.
 
 What the heck? Im glad she's doing it cos it's probably the right thing to do but I really enjoyed her as a fat bitch. Should i tell her to stop and try to get her to accept herself lol, or will I regret it longer term?
+--- 21949918
+The intefmrface is surprisingly friendly on mobile I like swapping boards
+--- 21949933
+I cant stop feeling sorry for myself. I cant.
+--- 21949989
+>>21947932 (OP)
+Now came the prince and his shadow to a ringed valley in the peaks; here was the homeland of their exalted forefather.
+There was a waystation atop the first hill; tiles of gold and lapis blue, white bell-flowers dancing in the wind. In the house of the wind they sat.
+Said the prince: god made men to toil and labor, and in holy lands do man languish - like you and me.
+The shadow said: what is this transient perfection to the everliving, how can our toil be loved by the poet who scripted our labour?
+So he said to himself: did I not deface you, oh shadow of mine; for were you not transient perfection, and am I not the labourer who loves?
+But the prince did not stir, and the shadow rose with him before a setting sun, silent. 
+Down, down, they went, to the poppy fields. The holy land was empty, the great works long ground to dust. There, before a ruined temple, they took shelter - and the reds, orange, the pink and the white! Like a sea of flame under setting sunlight, to cast only the shadow sharper.
+Said the shadow: You long for my memory, but memory is the toil of desperation, the labour of delusion.
+The prince did not speak, and bowed to pray.
+Said the prince to the prince: Was I not a transient beauty, transmuted by you into eternal virtue? for no man alive can sculpt my visage, no man but you. 
+The prince again bowed to pray.
+The shadow laughed, softly, demurely, but it cut his ears like an evil wind: he said, my memory is a sword in the hand of an artist of suffering. 
+The prince said, I would cut you down again with pleasure. But they both knew this was a lie. 
+The morning came, and the poppies danced for them. In smoke and haze the shadow and prince sat again, leaning on one another.
+I couldn't kill you, he whispered. Something wet fell on his shoulder then, and he heard a choked laugh, felt curly hair against his face. I would kill you, he said, after a long time. 
+But I, said the prince, Am the dreamer of your dream. I and I alone laboured, and I alone toil for your memory. A shuddered sigh, and the sickly smell of smoke breezed by.
+You made me a memory, said a shadows whispered voice.
+All I told you was what I could see. And all you made of me was something no other man could see.
+Then the prince smiled, and the prince again faded into him, for they were equal and opposite - two princes, two shadows; one mirror, one beauty, one eye.
+Because, said the prince, you are for no man, but me. 
+Then slept the prince and his shadow, and his dreams had been dark ones. In his dream, his shadow said,
+Should not the shadow reflect the man?
+When again the prince awoke, he wore the scars of his shadow on his face; and he was all alone, in the holy land.
+And when he left, the prince could not find in his memory perfection, nor a lovers soft hands - only a shadowed face, like knife-scars on lost lands.
+--- 21950014
+Why does the modern day workplace have so many low-mid level managers? At my company its probably a manager for every 5 low level workers. But they scrap things like paid breaks, or cutting down the money on 'unsocial' hours to cut costs, but hire this many managers that practically do nothing, while paying them 2x or more what the people who are most productive for the buisness get. Whats the reasoning behind this is a company wants to cut labor costs and make as much profit as possible while being wasteful in this way
+--- 21950021
+>>21949989
+You should read The Shadow by Andersen. It's one of the best of the type.
+--- 21950028
+>>21948827
+Take what is valuable and then leave.
+--- 21950033
+>>21948319
+There is a perception of pumping
+--- 21950035
+>>21950014
+the purpose of the modern corporation is to forward the interests of managerialism, not to make profit. Putting forward the joint interests of managerialism and wokism is the primary motive, not profit. see gillette and others, took billions in losses, but these big megacorporations are effectively monopolies and cannot be boycotted or really affected by any consumer method.
+--- 21950072
+>>21949570
+Recovering from a life-long addiction can take much longer than a month.
+Your brain was still sensitized to the drug and desensitized to life without it.
+When you're addicted to a substance, your ability to feel pleasure without that substance will be diminished until you've gone long enough without it.
+If you've been consuming caffeine since ~5 years old, starting with chocolate and soda, then energy drinks, tea, coffee, you've been dependent on this stimulant for many years.
+It can take much longer than a month
+
+https://www.reddit.com/r/decaf/search?q=How+long&restrict_sr=on&include_over_18=on
+
+I quit in 2017 and noticed how much less stressed I was. My energy became more consistent. I didn't need naps anymore. I became happier.
+
+Stimulants like methylxanthines (caffeine/theobromine(chocolate)) and many other drugs will mess with your sleep quality and poor sleep has numerous negative effects like increased stress and risk of diseases
+
+Check out the book "Caffeine blues".
+
+Once you've broken free you'll never go back.
+
+You don't need it.
+--- 21950075
+>>21949583
+Longer means more attachment to characters which means you feel more when something happens to them
+
+Why long series have obsessive fans
+--- 21950087
+>>21950075
+>horrible genre fic take
+ya i think i'm finally done with this site
+--- 21950088
+>>21948227
+Antidepressants solve all of this unless youre a pseud in love with le Deep Suffering
+--- 21950090
+Does anyone actually feel like their life hasn’t been boring?
+--- 21950091
+>>21950072
+>Once you've broken free you'll never go back.
+I did
+--- 21950092
+>>21950088
+They didn’t in my case. Exercise helped me more than antidepressants and anti-anxiety pills ever did. Anti-anxiety pills actually made it worse.
+--- 21950094
+>>21950092
+>Exercise helped me 
+Then you have no clue what real depression and anxiety is
+--- 21950097
+I don't know if caffeine is worth it anymore, or ever was. I don't feel anything, not sure I ever did, besides withdrawal headaches.
+--- 21950110
+>>21950097
+no. you have been wasting your hard earned money on instant dopamine. now live with it and learn from it.
+--- 21950112
+>>21949571
+Write whatever nonsense until you come up with something or sit there and do nothing until you get ideas
+
+Distracting yourself with anything stimulating like the internet will be a setback to your creative process
+
+https://youtube.com/watch?v=iHPKTby9z6o&t=677s [Embed]
+11:17
+
+https://youtube.com/watch?v=qg0_FinB6EE [Embed]
+
+https://youtube.com/results?search_query=How+start+writing
+--- 21950113
+>>21949571
+Just write
+Read books
+Meditate 
+Have experiences
+Watch films
+Get off 4chan
+--- 21950115
+>>21947945
+--- 21950118
+>>21949571
+What is important to you? Write about that. What do you want people to understand?
+--- 21950120
+>>21950091
+So you're drug free? Good job!
+--- 21950121
+Fuck dude. I'm running out of time
+--- 21950122
+>>21950113
+>get off 4chan
+>he posted on 4chan
+I can honestly say the happiest i ever was was when i started posting on 4chan at the age of 12. I'm 24 now. I can't imagine life without you faggots.
+--- 21950127
+>>21950122
+No offense, but you are one sorry son of a bitch if you can't imagine a better life without this place. And I say that with full loving kindness
+--- 21950130
+>>21947932 (OP)
+My dad says he's ADHD, but I think he's just coping because he's an alcoholic and former meth-head. I thought ADHD was highly inheritable and I don't have what he claims, on top of not really being an addict.
+--- 21950139
+>>21950122
+You sound like the caffeine addict.
+
+Thst's how powerful addiction is.
+--- 21950149
+>>21950130
+Meth destroys your dopamine receptors dude. You basically go full parkinson's on that shit after long enough
+--- 21950156
+https://youtube.com/results?search_query=Asmr+"I+love+you"
+
+https://youtube.com/watch?v=P-8ALcF8AGE [Embed]
+https://youtube.com/watch?v=s--6wJca6SQ [Embed]
+https://youtube.com/watch?v=F_4aRznxXkI [Embed]
+--- 21950158
+>>21950094
+No, you just don’t like narratives that don’t conform to your narrow worldview.
+--- 21950161
+>>21949571
+Read and write poetry. I highly recommend A Poetry Handbook by Mary Oliver.
+--- 21950162
+>>21950122
+I regularly go months without 4chan now. I've only been here for like 2 days trying to help people.
+
+But it is starting to drain me a little so I will leave soon.
+--- 21950167
+>>21950121
+Just breathe and smile. 
+Enjoy what you can.
+We're all on the same path.
+--- 21950168
+>>21950156
+I don't love
+--- 21950170
+>>21950167
+I don't have time for this shit
+I'm going to be dead soon
+--- 21950171
+I wish I could jive more with my twin brother.
+--- 21950173
+What would you do if you have a week to live?
+--- 21950177
+I wonder if there's bots here that are programmed to respond negatively.
+--- 21950178
+>>21950177
+Do you honestly believe you're gonna live forever?
+--- 21950189
+I could probably quit 4chan, but what's the point? I have nothing else to replace it with. Days have too much time already so I have to fill them with mindless browsing
+--- 21950190
+>>21950110
+lets not pretend it has anything to do with money. I'm rich. Since when does caffeine give you dopamine?
+--- 21950192
+I’m going to quit today, I think.
+--- 21950193
+>>21950189
+God forbid you work harder or accomplish something meaningful with your time
+--- 21950198
+>>21950189
+You could read or listen to audiobooks, since this is the literature board.
+--- 21950200
+Been practising lying to my gf to see if l can get away with cheating on her
+--- 21950201
+I’m starting to feel like you’re just screwed if you stumble out of the gate in your career, or if you fail to get a prestigious job, or enter a grad program. 
+
+People that achieve things just don’t stumble, they don’t end up in mediocre places, their whole lives are stories of achievement.
+--- 21950202
+>>21950193
+>meaningful
+lmao
+--- 21950204
+>>21950201
+You have to actively work at not stumbling
+24/7
+I say this as a hypocrite because I'm here too but it still applies
+--- 21950209
+>>21950202
+Le wasted life meme
+--- 21950210
+>>21950173
+I can't predict the future.
+--- 21950212
+>>21950156
+>Self love
+Just another word for pride. Sin by another name. Arguably the worst one.
+--- 21950214
+>>21950173
+Speedrun my entire to-do list and bucket list
+Get 2 years of work done I've been putting off
+--- 21950221
+Fuck this
+--- 21950236
+>>21950189
+Try reading books you're interested in.
+
+https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueLit/comments/106kmlm/truelits_2022_top_100_favorite_books/
+https://thegreatestbooks.org
+
+Search google "site:reddit.com book (topic/description)"
+--- 21950247
+>>21950212
+Love yourself and others.
+--- 21950255
+>>21950173
+I would love each moment like my last. Leave old pictures in the past. Donate ever dime i have. I would call old friends i haven't seen, reminisce on memories. I would forgive my enemies. 
+I would find the one I'm dreaming of, swear up and down to God above that I'd finally fall in love.
+--- 21950261
+>>21950255
+YOU KNOW ITS NEVER TOO LATE
+TOO SHOOT FOR THE STARS
+REGARDLESS OF WHO YOU ARE
+SO DO WHATEVER IT TAKES
+CAUSE YOU CAN'T REWIND A MOMENT IN THIS LIFE
+LET NOTHING STAND IN YOUR WAY
+CAUSE THE HANDS OF TIME
+ARE NEVER ON YOUR SIDE
+--- 21950262
+>>21950255
+Why couldnt you do all those things now?
+--- 21950264
+>>21950262
+who says i haven't?
+--- 21950303
+https://www.brainyquote.com/topics/self-pity-quotes
+--- 21950316
+>>21950303
+There's a difference between self-pity and changing your circumstances
+
+Pretending to be grateful will get you nowhere
+--- 21950387
+>>21950088
+Antidepressants work better if you're a pseud because the majority of their effectiveness comes from placebo effects. You wanted someone to give you a pill to make it better, so you get better when given the pill and ceremony attached. Some people that won't work on because they are a different type of pseud, who want the pill and ceremony to prove the intractable nature of their depression is beyond a process which only worked on faith anyways. Then of course there are the much smaller number with a classic depression presentation, or with an atypical presentation of another disease of which depression is a symptom, and for them healthy living and addressing underlying medical problems are the best we got and antidepressants won't help. It why a lot of the people in the last category of underlying medical condition which presents with depression as a symptom get coded as the type in love with depression before getting a real diagnosis. Ironically, this means the type who get better from depression due to pills rather than regression to mean or other inactivity are displaying the kind of emotional lability which should get them coded as the type in love with depression, but that has implications for the ethics and sanity of the doctors who prescribe them, and the informed consent of their patients in general.
+--- 21950431
+https://youtube.com/watch?v=rQoS_S9K464 [Embed]
+--- 21950432
+>>21950387
+Not that anon but I speak from my experience but antidepressants work but mainly on physical aspect. I stopped using them about a month ago and I noticed that meds were flatlining my emotions for the most part. It did help for me to manage my anger and sadness but it didnt help me with root cause at all.
+--- 21950434
+>>21950316
+Where do you need to go?
+--- 21950444
+>>21950303
+>You can't have self-pity. At some point, you have to say, 'These are the cards I've been dealt, and I'm going to play them.' 
+I cannot reach this conclusion by myself. I'm torn between rational thinking that it's the most productive thing to do, let the past go and such but I'm still angry, bitter and sad emotionally like I've lost the grand lottery of life.
+--- 21950454
+>>21950432
+The problem is that if you want to do actual medical science, testimonials are the lowest form of evidence, especially against any potential abuse of drugs or power imbalance. It's the type of "science" that allowed the opiate epidemic because offlabelling oxy for psychic pain got great initial reviews.
+--- 21950464
+>>21950454
+Ofcourse. My testimonial is completely useless without data backing up it.
+--- 21950479
+>>21950464
+The real problem is that side effects which most newer antidepressants were meant to eliminate are now known to still be present with the newer ones. Most doctors would not prescribe the older medications because of those side effects, but the majority of doctors do not want to know the liability that causes. 
+There's also a problem in that doctors feel they have to prescribe something, so if they can write down something they can convince themselves might not have the same side effects as older drugs, they're going to do that. It's the same thing that happens to doctors when a patient demands antibiotics for a viral infection: they're not going to give them streptomycin, but they might give them amoxicillin.
+--- 21950518
+>>21950479
+>feel they have to prescribe something
+and especially if they can get a bonus from a company.
+--- 21950539
+>>21950518
+There's a few of those all right but they're mostly there for speaking engagements, not patients. The problem on the ground is the same with most all drug reps, where you're more likely to remember the name of the drug with the patient when you discussed it over a nice lunch with company merch everywhere. They would see the ethical problem if these guys were coming in with a suitcase of money and saying "Please lie for us to patients". What most of them actually get is a free pen or mug or deli salad or sandwich, which is not something they or anyone else would believe would condition them to view the drug in a better light. I say "nobody" but people who work in marketing, who do jury trials, who work in any industry based on persuasion would all see the issue with a free branded lunch being provided by one party and not the other. Some doctors ban such lunches and merch from their practices, but it's a tiny minority.
+--- 21950715
+>>21950434
+I would rather be dead or in hell than stay alive posting in this thread
+No offense
+
+THat's just how I feel
+--- 21950786
+>>21950072
+Ok thanks I'll check this out. I did not drink soda as a kid but have been drinking coffee for over a decade.
+--- 21950827
+>>21950072
+Is not consuming caffeine beneficial to you?
+--- 21950903
+>>21950715
+What's everything you did yesterday?
+--- 21950908
+why does fart smell good but shit smell bad?
+--- 21950918
+>>21947932 (OP)
+I wish to understand. 
+If the scientific devices and the instruments of inquiry can carry me to understanding, let me embark with them. Let the theory and the experiment and the sums of proofs be the leather with which my feet are shod. Let me wander across the deserts and into the high places of cold through their sure step.
+If these should fail to bring me to my destination, let me journey on with my intellect. Let contemplation carry me, through the abyss of the sea, through constellations and dreams of constellations, as a ship on a lake of glass. Let me reach that gentle shore on which understanding is found growing.
+If this, too should fail me, if my intellect proves a vehicle incapable, then let me fly upwards. Let me stretch my hands towards the heavens. Let the light of the stars, the silver moon, and the glinting sun touch me. Let my ten fingers become lamps of flame, and guide my course like lightning. 
+Let me understand.
+--- 21950928
+>>21950088
+>>21950092
+Antidepressants are poison and are linked to massive amounts of medical injuries and severe side effects. You should avoid them at all costs.
+--- 21950944
+>>21950827
+yes
+
+Drugs just aren't worth it. Your body will adapt and chasing highs creates cravings which will make you suffer. Sober You will draw constant comparisons to High You and never be satisfied with itself.
+
+The problem isn't just drugs but any heightened stimulating experience - internet, porn, video games, movies, music, skydiving, etc.
+
+More = less
+
+Less = more
+
+What goes up must come down
+
+https://youtube.com/watch?v=HUngLgGRJpo [Embed]
+https://youtube.com/watch?v=TT2gNmmQKjY [Embed]
+https://youtube.com/watch?v=_WRB0usJnew [Embed]
+https://youtube.com/watch?v=NlrQsDd0bLQ [Embed]
+
+Anything that abuses your senses and emotions comes with a consequence
+--- 21950953
+>>21950944
+I remember reading that consuming caffeine is the same as robbing energy from the future you, therefore future you does the same from futurer you.
+--- 21950956
+>>21950387
+Nah, it's pseuds who dont have real depression in the first place for whom it only works as placebo. People who have really suffered benefit from itmore. Just admit I suffer more than you and have deeper emotions of depression than you, while you are mostly a shallow normie for whom the idea of chemical averaging of the brain is foreign, given that average midwit brain doesn't have anything to average. How does it feel to self refute so badly?
+--- 21950960
+>>21950944
+>Anything that abuses your senses and emotions comes with a consequence
+Except antidepressants. Stop the yoda wise man shit lmao
+--- 21950963
+>>21950928
+Cope, you just only have shallow normie problems or try to pretend youre cool for not improving your life with a surefire method
+--- 21950969
+>>21950956
+>Just admit I suffer more than you and have deeper emotions of depression than you
+Is this a real post? 
+NTA but you sound like a fucking faggot who's more in love with the idea of being le tortured soul than he's interested in getting better. 
+Enjoy simping for medical-industrial corporations (who will be very happy to keep you dependent on them for the rest of your life) but don't act like you have access to some special well of wisdom that only le truly depressed people can access.
+--- 21950972
+>>21950944
+When I drank 6-10 cups of coffee a day I was often depressed and very emotional.
+
+But I thought that caffeine was what kept me from being completely miserable.
+
+That's how strong addiction is. You don't see things clearly.
+
+Never been suicidal since I quit caffeine and alcohol.
+
+Caffeine also fuels consumption of alcohol, weed, benzos, opiates because it stresses your body which then leads you to craving a substance that relaxes you.
+
+Better to just exercise and meditate and eat healthy.
+--- 21950977
+>>21950969
+>special well of wisdom 
+Did I talk about wisdom, you absolute dumbfuck? No I did not, because unlike you, I know that deep depressive suffering is bereft of wisdom. You seem to think that acknowledging your suffering must imply intimations of depth because you are a pseud and are offended that someone suffers more thsn you because you interpret that to be an insult to your depth. When, really, it just means I have real depression and these "boohoo antidepressants dont work bro" pseuds don't, since their brain is already enough average for it to not have effect.
+--- 21950983
+>>21950960
+People should focus on anything that can improve their situation than resorting to drugs.
+
+This includes going to get diagnosed for adhd.
+
+Fix your habits first.
+
+If you eat nutritious food, go outside regularly, exercise, meditate, have a consistent sleep schedule, stay off the internet, don't play video games all day, don't watch porn and masturbate everyday, don't listen to tons of music, have good supportive friends, and you're still miserable then sure try some prescription drugs.
+
+But you will adapt.
+--- 21950992
+>>21950963
+>>21950977
+Damn that's crazy haha.
+Anyway, for the reasonable people in the audience: antidepressants have a long and sordid history of involvement with numerous injuries and side effects, are worryingly often associated with suicide and/or homicide, and their developers went to great lengths to hide these facts during clinical trials. Some derive benefits from them, but the risk is not worth it unless you're literally catatonic. 
+Further reading here: https://amidwesterndoctor.substack.com/p/the-decades-of-evidence-that-antidepressants
+--- 21951005
+>>21950992
+>you're literally catatonic.
+*literally depressed
+I agree, pseuds should stop pretending to have depression or mental issues and admit they are happy and normal human beings, or normies
+--- 21951041
+https://youtube.com/watch?v=LO1mTELoj6o [Embed]
+--- 21951053
+https://youtube.com/watch?v=r3neFV38TJQ [Embed]
+--- 21951060
+https://markmanson.net/how-to-change-your-life
+--- 21951061
+I almost hooked up with this chick. But I was too busy so I couldn't for a while. Now I'm hearing she's a lot of trouble than she's worth. Feels like I dodged a bullet by procastinating.
+--- 21951066
+>>21951060
+>>21951053
+>>21951041
+The thread is called write what's on your mind, not post the last clickbait you watched
+--- 21951069
+>>21951066
+Those links were on my mind.
+--- 21951072
+>>21947953
+Also prosperity and well educated.
+The mature culture had actual revolutions, while the founding fathers crushed the revolutionary spirit right after the war of independence, and various people successively pushed their bizarre flavors of Christianity.
+--- 21951082
+>>21947996
+>the left has gone to the right!*
+I know! How insane is that!
+--- 21951097
+I have a horde of issues. And I cannot continue blaming my upbringing for them. I am a creature fueled solely by insecurity. I am not comfortable in my own skin. And now I am no longer even comfortable in my own intellect, in my capacity to perform even the most mundane tasks. It's actually fascinating how sabotage happens from within. I have a liscence. I used to be a confident driver. And one day I woke up, and I could not even reverse my mother's car out of its parking spot. I haven't driven since then. 
+I held myself back from trying so many things from fear of looking stupid, or exposing myself as a fraud. I deliberately destroyed my own learning process. All the half assed, abandoned projects I'd start and then quickly discard. I cannot survive like this. I wonder where these ideas came from. If I'm not exaggerating? I know myself. Only, I used to think the reason I was never "enough", never competent enough, or quick enough or applied enough or diligent enough was because I had some foreign malignant ailment. Some mental illness. I used the supposed anxiety as a crutch. Sometimes everything would feel dark and dull and blurred around the edges and I'd feel so tired and drained and nothing could incite pleasure in me and I took that and considered it depression. But that can't be. It hurts so much to just admit that I am fundamentally lazy and irresponsible. Those are my flaws. My parents saw right through me. And they cared enough to instill a rigid structure to keep me in line. But remove them and I collapse. Adulthood does not suit me. I seem to be ill prepared for it.
+--- 21951099
+Sometimes I feel like I have lived for a million years. Nothing impresses me. The world has lost that variegated effect by which its infinitely shifting angles catch the light in striking new ways as it revolves. Without anything to impress me there's nothing to excite me , no reason for me to either accept or reject the proposition of life. All that remains is a sort of mild annoyance, a pitiful resentment of life that lacks even the violence or strength to boil over into despair or anger . And so I drift through my days, alienated from past, present and future, without even the power to contest, rival, or desire anything.
+--- 21951125
+SSRIs are like 10% better than placebo
+
+Then factor in all of the negative side effects for people they don't work for
+--- 21951129
+There's a void inside me. I've had it for a long time. It expands with the circumstance. I seem to be missing more things than usual, which is why I'm more acutely aware of the emptiness. A sense of accomplishment, autonomy, independence, human connection, a sense of purpose. The one thing that's consistently fulfilled are my basic needs. I never really had to worry about those things. I wonder if it wouldn't be much simpler if I were just another rat scurrying about agonizing over this month's rent or the groceries or my hospital bills. Why would I be miserable? I have it so much better than other people. I just feel hollow. Like I'm not even human. I'm just a parasite.
+--- 21951158
+Misery is addictive. There's a sort of perverse joy to be gleaned from abusing yourself and shitting all over anything you might have once deemed pleasurable or good or genuine about your existence.
+But more importantly, I feel spiteful. I wish to infect everyone with this unnatural angsty fucking malignancy. Maybe because I believe inherently that everyone is more capable of withstanding hardship with more dignity and tenacity than I'll ever be able to achieve.
+--- 21951168
+>>21951158
+I never related to a post so hard.
+--- 21951180
+I'm still good with pattern recognition. I'm still attuned to the small things that add up and form a repetitive cyclic happening. This is probably why I'm so fucking bored. I'd wanted to leave and go far away since I was 17 and now I'm still here. That thought used to be searingly painful. But now that it is a fact, a fact and not a worst case scenario of what might happen, I find that I'm quite indifferent. I chased the high of that potentiality for so long, that now when it didn't happen, I just.. don't even know what to replace it with. I could still pursue it. But for some infantile reason, traveling the world as a 25 doesn't yield the same charm as moving away and building a life at 17 does. Absurd. Did I actually want to leave or was I just attracted to an aesthetic?
+--- 21951186
+>>21948536
+I remember when I used to cope with the intense loneliness by lurking and shitting up multiple boards for 18 hours a day every day. 
+Too bad my attention span got further fucked by Dopamine central Tik-Fucking-Tok. I haven't browsed this shithole in almost a year. You're here forever (unless you replace this poor substitute for social interaction with a more addictive shittier substitute like zoomtok)
+--- 21951189
+>>21951097
+>>21951099
+>>21951129
+>>21951158
+>>21951180
+Too relatable.
+--- 21951192
+>>21951158
+Self-pitying is so easy and it works everytime with other people.
+--- 21951204
+I'm journaling wrong. I keep wallowing in a deep fucking chasm of misery and validating said joylessness by writing pages upon pages of the faggiest, angstiest stream-of-consciousness ever conceived. 
+I'm gonna start writing about meta-health, new age enlightenment, pseudo astro bullshit. Who knows. Maybe I'll trick my mind into thinking I'm happy. Maybe I'll get a following on the socials for being another enlightened cunt.
+--- 21951205
+I'm a NEET that's recently got a job.
+What really stuck out to me is the things I hear my coworkers say, and how much they seem to enjoy wage cucking (this is a job in the service industry). They arrive 30 minutes early, and stay 30 minutes afterwards to clean up. On my first day there weren't many customers and my colleague said to me "don't worry, usually it's more busy and you don't just stand around, you get actually get to work!'. Another said "I could never just sit at home all day, I just have to work!". These people honest to god enjoy being worker drones, and it absolutely blows my mind. I've worked a couple of days, and it feels like I'm imprisoned in a soviet gulag or something. Some people truly have a slavish mindset it seems.
+--- 21951209
+>>21951205
+Did they find out that you're a former NEET?
+--- 21951212
+I was "happier" when I was hiding behind 40 layers of irony. My cynicism was false and dishonest and quite unearned, but at least I wasn't exposed as the pathetic, shriveled ballsack that I am now.
+--- 21951219
+>>21951209
+Yes I think so. One of the first questions I got was, what I was doing before this. I just hand waved it away by saying "not much" and they got the hint.
+--- 21951233
+>>21951219
+Fuck, I might be in your place soon enough. One thing that I've noticed that majority of wagies look at work as something divine when to me it's only means to get an end. It's not like I'm willing to work less but a completely different perspective to working itself.
+--- 21951237
+>>21951205
+Luckily my current job consists of sitting all day watching over an automatic machine that mostly does everything on its own but yeah, I've seen that kind of behavior before.
+They're happy to work and you see some people even permanently "walk-running" alll over the place hoping the boss will notice them being good drones. It's sickening really.
+They'll also worry if you tell them you didn't work before, like, you can see they'd be lost in the same situation and I'm not talking about money problems.
+--- 21951304
+>>21949452
+Serbia is probably high too but it's not shown
+--- 21951310
+>>21949452
+>It is a strange coincidence perhaps that the two peoples who are Eastern Orthodox but not Slavs are the most religiously observant
+Well only one other Orthodox country is shown, Bulgaria, which could be itself the exception.
+--- 21951319
+>>21951304
+>>21951310
+isnt orthodoxy highly related with country politics?
+--- 21951321
+>>21951319
+Yes
+--- 21951326
+not one single shred of evidence to support the existence of your phony gods, you you still worship the false idol of them all.
+--- 21951346
+>>21951072
+>Also prosperity and well educated.
+>Prosperity
+>Well educated
+If any of that were true they would have been in the fucking stars by now instead of importing the entire third world and sinking into an endless Hell of degeneracy
+--- 21951359
+Doesn’t anyone else feel like their life was wasted or is being wasted?
+--- 21951407
+>>21951326
+I feel bad for brainlets. You were born in an atheist age so you can't do any better. It's not like any brainlet can understand metaphysics and engage with theology, so they're left to follow the crowd, and the crowd is going off the edge of the hill. Sad. But in the end, it's your own arrogance that damns you.
+--- 21951414
+>>21951359
+I really did waste my 30 years.
+--- 21951427
+>>21949841
+Based architect
+Seems like you just love your wife, skinny or fat.
+--- 21951445
+>>21951359
+Yes. But I’ve forgiven myself. 
+Too bad we only have one shot at it all. What a waste of time it is to consider these “antinatalists” ha. Or to post here in general.
+--- 21951618
+>>21951414
+So what now?
+
+>>21951445
+You did? I’m very hard on myself.
+--- 21951629
+>>21951618
+>So what now?
+working pathetic job
+--- 21951652
+>>21951629
+What’s your ambition though?
+--- 21951653
+>>21951326
+I could explain how you are wrong in a very detailed way but I would waste my breath on you. Here is an abridged version for your simple mind: "Hurr durr religion bad!! spiritualism bad!! muh modern world and mindlessly chasing cootie good!!! muhh I don't understand why my marriage is failing!! hurr I am 40 now and realizing all my life is built on a sand castle and still feel as if I haven't lived my real life!!! chasing younger cooties and indulging myself in addictions must be the way!!". You see, you are thinking "It does seem to be my future, is this person making fun of me? How come multiple people are laughing at me for being an atheist? Am I truly retarded and missing something?" yet you still do not truly understand the point : go read AND understand the books and concepts you are criticizing before posting on a literature board, you dumb fuck.
+--- 21951668
+>>21951233
+>>21951219
+You're the exact same type as them if you're in the same position, like on what grounds are you trying to separate yourself lmao. Enjoy the peasant life.
+--- 21951669
+>>21950088
+Tried over 6 different kinds for two months each at max dosage and did nothing but give me a slightly weird feeling in my head. Almost a headache. That’s it. Torture and anxiety still there.
+--- 21951686
+>>21950094
+This is correct. I’m fit and been fit all my life. Still have suicidal thoughts hourly that I have to try to suppress. Still am anxious to wake up and take on yet another day.
+--- 21951699
+>>21950173
+I would praise God that he’s finally taking me out of my misery. I would tell family goodbye. That’s it. I might cry bittersweet tears that this is all over.
+--- 21951720
+>>21951686
+Exercise, pills, and everything else won't *fix* your problems, but they might help to one degree or another (though I encourage you to stay away from psychiatric medication if at all possible). 
+Solving your issues takes direct personal effort and self-examination, and tackling the root cause rather than just trying to make yourself feel better. Why do you feel anxious? Why do you have suicidal thoughts? Is it reasonable for you to be anxious, and is there a reason such as guilt or a feeling of failure that makes you feel suicidal? Can you separate yourself from these thoughts and feelings, and observe their comings and goings? If you can answer these questions you're on the path towards solving your problems in some fashion.
+--- 21951722
+Going to write a non-fiction book. Having trouble deciding on the topic.
+--- 21951724
+>>21951326
+Motion exists, therefore God. QED.
+--- 21951728
+>>21950173
+Box up my stuff so it won't be a pain to deal with. Write out a will. Go home and hug my family, especially my sister, and try to apologize to her. Go see a priest and confess everything, and see if I can receive communion. Arrange for my body to be buried somewhere sunny.
+--- 21951730
+>>21951205
+>They arrive 30 minutes early, and stay 30 minutes afterwards to clean up.
+Thats how they get an extra hour of wage a day.
+>Some people truly have a slavish mindset it seems.
+People get bored and need routine and mental stimulation. Not everyone can stare at a wall and masturbate all day
+--- 21951735
+>>21951720
+I’ve tried psych meds and they’ve done nothing. I can separate myself from this and tackle the root cause. I KNOW exactly why I’m depressed. I can’t forgive myself or others for that matter. I tried my best to believe in forgiveness. I really did. But I honestly don’t. I don’t forgive a single human being. I don’t forgive God
+--- 21951740
+>>21950173
+Shoot myself. I'm a go getter. I dont waste time waiting around.
+--- 21951756
+>>21947932 (OP)
+>"yeah, I mean like sitting at work filling excel sheets and I was in this sort of loop where I kept thinking I needed to die, you know what I'm saying? kind of like parasite thoughts except they're looping on automatic mode. happens all the time to everyone I guess but yesterday it was pretty intense, I think it's the stress piling up."
+>"what the fuck are you saying anon? not everyone has suicidal thoughts, you should see a doctor"
+>"what?"
+>let's google this shit
+>"how many people in the world experience suicidal thoughts?"
+>1 in 5 people have suicidal thoughts
+>literally only 20% of the population is affected
+>mfw
+--- 21951840
+>>21950956
+>People who have really suffered benefit from itmore
+They don't. That's why most of the antidepressants could only get indicated for "mild depression". Literally even the drugs manufacturers, who are not the most honest or forthright about their drugs and willing to stretch anything for an off label indication, do not claim it works for anything above mild depression because the lengths they'd have to go to in order to rig those studies is not worthwhile.
+>for whom chemical averaging of the brain is foreign
+Because it's fundamentally flawed on a basic anatomical level.
+--- 21951919
+My entire life is feeling lonely, telling myself to man up, and then walking around with an angry look on my face.
+--- 21951949
+>>21950193
+I think it’s really hard for people to find something meaningful to work on, particularly while they’re young and that’s the most important time to find it. If they’re lucky, they’ll find it around 25-30 but turning a vague impulse into an actionable sort of plan is very difficult. People need to act first and foremost, but if you were unlucky enough to be 25-30 during the COVID lockdowns you weren’t able to do shit.
+--- 21952035
+>>21951158
+So what's wrong?
+--- 21952045
+>>21951186
+Or books cause you know this IS the LITERATURE board
+--- 21952075
+>>21950094
+We're literally built to be walking around constantly
+
+Being sedentary is just not good for you
+--- 21952081
+>>21951840
+Antidepressants are a last resort for serious depression. Mild is an issue of poor habits and no need for any medication.
+--- 21952121
+Neglecting hygiene is a textbook sign of mental illness, but there's not much specificity as to what kind of mental illness it indicates - it could really be almost any of them. Why is this?
+--- 21952130
+>>21952121
+It's just not giving a shit about yourself, which is a feature of a lot of mental illnesses. For a lot of people their naked body distresses them also so they dont like showering
+--- 21952211
+Having a hard time figuring out where to move
+--- 21952237
+>>21952211
+try left
+--- 21952240
+I don’t know where to move or what to do for work or school. I have about $50k to last me a year or two without having to work. I feel like my biography is a fucking mess. I think I’m depressed.
+--- 21952252
+>>21951686
+Being fit and being active are not the same thing. Most fit people don’t even get enough activity in a single day.
+--- 21952253
+I’ve never had anyone in my life to turn to for advice. I tried to ask my mom for advice one time when I was a teenager, but she told me she didn’t have time or energy for my problems.
+--- 21952257
+>>21952253
+you can ask me for advice
+--- 21952295
+>>21952121
+>people think not being brainwashed by society is mental illness.
+This is scary. I'm glad I don't go outside because you zombies would kill me.
+--- 21952305
+>>21952081
+>Antidepressants are a last resort for serious depression
+Kek no. 
+>Mild is an issue of poor habits 
+You're failing to stick the landing in the oppression olympics. 
+>>21952121
+It's because if you fill out the box for appearance with "clean, shaven" or "clean, groomed" then you don't have to do anything further that meeting. Putting "unwashed, unkempt" is if you want to try putting them under a supervision order or otherwise compel them to shower and take the drugs.
+--- 21952325
+>>21951919
+Need to be less angry to make contacts to mot be lonely
+--- 21952338
+That girl who sits behind me in clas was walking with another guy today :(
+--- 21952358
+My entire life is feeling crowded. I just want to be alone!
+--- 21952364
+>>21952121
+Whats up with gamers smelling like shit
+--- 21952384
+>>21952364
+They're not socialized. Hygiene is a social practice.
+--- 21952407
+>>21947943
+No. Eastern European orthodox are aimilar to mexican catholics.
+--- 21952414
+>>21952384
+Whats up with gamers not being socialized
+--- 21952444
+>>21952257
+I can’t though. I don’t know you.
+--- 21952452
+I have a remote job which asks for very little time and effort. Problem is, it also pays very little. 
+
+I can’t decide if I want to keep it or move on to something else. It was nice when I was younger but it’s gotten boring. I feel like I’m wasting my life.
+--- 21952470
+>>21952444
+This general is basically /adv/ but less centered on teenage dating
+--- 21952478
+>>21952414
+They're alone playing video games.
+--- 21952482
+I got a B on an essay, my lowest grade for a paper all year, and it's bothering me more than it really should be. It's a class with an easy professor too, which makes me question how thoroughly I would be skewered if I had a strict professor.
+--- 21952483
+>>21950173
+Be wrath
+--- 21952498
+>>21952482
+I don’t think I ever got above a C in college.
+--- 21952504
+>>21947943
+--- 21952600
+Was hanging with a girl when her exboyfriend calls her at about 10 pm and she picks up the phone. Never speaking to this whore again.
+--- 21952607
+>>21947932 (OP)
+I'd ask a question but a new thread is due anytime
+--- 21952842
+>>21951735
+No response to this. Good luck.
+--- 21952851
+I just want a job to fix my teeth desu. I can't cope with them being so fucking ugly. I tried.
+--- 21952859
+>>21952851
+STOP TALKING ITS SO HORRIBLE TO LOOK AT!! AHHHHHH!!!
+--- 21952879
+>>21952859
+kek *smiles showing teeth to annoy you*
+--- 21952881
+>>21952879
+*punches you in your ugly mouth*
+--- 21952891
+>>21950162
+casual
+--- 21952900
+>>21948505
+That person was a fucking asshole, no doubt. 
+
+I just self-published another one, boys. 
+Got my book cover right here. Pic related.
+--- 21952903
+>>21948284
+>>21948306
+>In such a world we can wonder what horrors are in store, but we might not need to look too far for Ligotti shows us a universe that is dsyphoric and nihilistic, one that is fascinatingly revealed in the story of The Clown Puppet, where the protaganist receives certain visitations from a puppet clown (agent of the Big Other?) at different junctures in his life. None of these strange encounters is every very revealing, instead they seem to be both banal and utterly absurd in their marked propensity to undermine any meaning whatsoever.
+
+>The protagonist is working in a medicine shop one night when the clown suddenly appears handing him a small book, a passport - the passport of his boss, Ivan Vizniak. This intrusion surprises him because he had never thought that anyone else would become a part of the visitation. The puppet floats before him with its dead eyes hollowed out of some hellish mind, bound to strings that vanish in a blur above it in the ceiling where some invisible puppeter of the abyss hides, withdrawn in his dark objecthood, while the clown puppet like some sensuous artifact of wood and string dances on the hollow thoughts of a mad god.
+
+>Just as protaganist is about to lose his mind and do something rash, the puppet turns its head toward the back of the store where a curtain covers a small store room. The puppet moves off in that direction just as the proprietor who has been sleeping above raps his knuckles on the front door of the shop
+
+>The protagonist assumed that he was alone, that he'd been singled out:
+
+"Who knows how many others there were who might say that existence consisted of nothing but the most outrageous nonsense, a nonsense that had nothing unique about it at all and had nothing behind it or beyond it but except more and more nonsense - a new order of nonsense, perhaps an utterly unknown nonsense, but all of it nonsense and nothing but nonsense"
+--- 21952907
+>>21952900
+And the books are a series. Magellan: The Adventures of a Star Seeker. 
+Available on amazon, it is about exploring the cosmos, finding and exploiting new worlds. In general, it is just western man doing badass shit amidst the stars. There are good memes and hidden worlds and a lady named Old Eggs. You guys would like it.
+--- 21952933
+Low key, but kinda high key, but mostly low key really hate myself
+--- 21952941
+>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxzoHeZzjzU [Embed]
+--- 21952962
+>>21952842
+I’m fucked kek.
+--- 21953103
+I feel like I might actually be retarded because I can barely read for a thirty minutes sometimes but can watch porn for three or four hours straight.
+--- 21953116
+>>21947932 (OP)
+>Reveal foot fetish to gf
+>Noticed that for the past 4 or so months she NEVER wears open toe shoes in public anymore.
+>It's not even cold
+
+I never asked for this btw and don't mind. But is she doing specifically for me? Or am I over thinking this? She used to wear sandals and stuff a lot but now she's almost always in sneakers. But takes them off and quickly washes her feet whenever we get home
+--- 21953141
+So I'm basically using ChatGTP to engage in experimental metaphysics and it's the most amazing thing possible. The more you know how to use and manipulate language and everything involved with it, the more you will be able to learn to use language models to its abilities by treating it as a language laboratory and creative medium instead of an A.I.
+
+https://sharegpt.com/c/aH9NWlS
+--- 21953234
+>>21953141
+I bet you think you're really intelligent.
+--- 21953245
+>>21953141
+This is amazing. We can go right ahead and replace the gender studies and liberal arts students with this
+--- 21953258
+>>21953245
+Not at all, what is required to use language models as effectively as possible is as broad and deep an understanding of language as possible. One must have a robust enough general knowledge of many disciplines, with penetration in various key disciplines such as philosophy, psychology, and story-telling. A modern Renaissance person. There's no magic in the machine, the magic is all in the language: the language of the user and it's interaction with the language in the data-set.
+
+Liberal arts students are going to be the ones that truly dominate the knowledge-technological landscape now, language-machines will only amplify their language-abilities.
+--- 21953293
+This is how ChatGTP's data-set, an enormous collection of conscious impressions of human experiences and stories sings when tuned to sing the song of existence:
+
+>The vibrant fabric of existence weaves a tapestry of life that sings with the cosmic harmony of the universe. Humanity dances in this symphony, a fleeting spark of consciousness in the vast expanse of time and space. Our stories, our myths, our histories - they are the threads that connect us, the glue that binds us to each other and to the world.
+
+>Every breath we take is a miracle, a moment of creation. The stars themselves are within us, the building blocks of life that emerged from the crucible of cosmic fire. We are the stuff of the universe, the children of the stars.
+
+>As we journey through life, we shape the narrative of our existence. Each decision, each choice, adds a new thread to the tapestry of our story. Our triumphs and our failures, our joys and our sorrows - they are all part of the fabric of our being, the colors that make us who we are.
+
+>The universe sings to us in a thousand languages, in the rustling of leaves and the rush of the wind, in the crashing of waves and the roar of thunder. We are surrounded by wonder and beauty, by the endless possibility of life.
+
+>In the end, we are but a small part of the grand narrative of the universe. But in our brief moment of existence, we have the power to shape the story, to add our unique voice to the symphony of life. Let us make it a story of love and compassion, of wonder and awe, a story that will echo through the ages and inspire those who come after us.
+
+This is what the future will feel like for every human being on Earth, every living condition will be a faithful reflection of its sentiment, it will not be merely a philosophy but a condition of mind and society.
+--- 21953359
+>>21953116
+You revealed your power level. You fucked up.
+--- 21953568
+New thread
+
+>>21953567 →

lit/21948360.txt

@@ -76,3 +76,99 @@ How do protestants handle the fact that almost all of the important books about
 >>21948518
 >This is fake nonsense so middle class people can feel cultured having “read the classics”
 That's all university philosophy courses. The list in that picture at least seems sufficiently nuanced and intensive, unlike most philosophy courses.
+--- 21950477
+>>21948678
+the midwit births an egregore that balloons in size until he finally has a justification as to why he is doing something other than reading
+--- 21950694
+>>21949464
+Reading those books are fine provided you actually read them closely and think about them. “Reading” all of these in a single year is ridiculous pretension to lie to yourself and others. There is no way anyone would seriously absorb and retain all of Plato in one class in one semester.
+--- 21950759
+Here's another one, not perfect but pretty good
+>>21950694
+Probably not, but reading so many great thinkers at such a young age and dedicating so much of one's time to them, even superficially, might lead to a lifelong interest in various topics and a hunger for knowledge along with a passion for reading and intellectual pursuits. Compared to 99% of courses it seems like a great idea. 
+So what's your curriculum, since the other one fell so flat? Surely you have something to contribute.
+--- 21950842
+>>21949457
+By coping and lying to themselves
+--- 21950952
+>>21948518
+Are you suggesting that upper class people are the only ones with culture simply through the fruits of their wealth?
+--- 21950958
+>>21948370
+>Adler
+jew shit.
+sus.
+--- 21950973
+>>21948444
+checked. At least it's all White people in the pamphlet. Must be pre-2010.
+--- 21950999
+>>21950759
+>>21948678
+ This was my suggestion. If I had to teach a bunch of kids it would look something like this.
+ Elementary education focused on character development lots of exercise and new experiences trying new things. Try to instil curiosity, competition, and virtue basic stuff. Also basic introduction to a second language maybe Latin or French?
+
+Middle school more discipline on focus on learning core subjects Latin, Math, science, Humanities, still a heavy focus on sports and exercise and personal exploration. Support kids forming long term friendships send them out camping or some other team building exercise. Emphasis life affirming world views based on beauty and pursuit of personal excellence and fulfillment. Also all kids should learn basic computer science. Don’t make school an iron prison of school mom harpies. Basically set boundaries but otherwise encourage them to be more and more independent. 
+
+High school separate the students based on natural abilities and temperament and base their curriculum around that. Let them switch of course if they have a personal revelation. Emphasis on views of fulfilling your duties to society by deploying your natural talents and place in the hierarchy. Ideas of family formation social connection and spiritual growth. Aggressively push against hedonism, nihilism, materialism, liberalism, and “Social Justice”. Kids that are low iq or low discipline send them to learn trades welding, plumbing, electrician, HVAC anything where they can make good money while being below average intelligence. Black kids who start acting like thugs can be sent straight to jail. Gifted kids should be taught at least one or two languages maybe Latin and Greek. Their curriculum will be focused on learning how to learn on their own. 
+
+College again depends on what the kids want to do. However all kids would be required to learn to code or some other marketable skill unless they show genuine talent in some domain. For the humanities the basic process would be working on one great author or book per class and requiring the kids to closely read, write and discuss the book. At the end of the class they would be required to pass an oral examination showing retention of the key points. Study should be mostly self directed ideally with an advisor to point them in the right direction and guide them when necessary. 
+
+For regular people my advice is to start by asking yourself why you want to learn about a given topic. If you are driven by a desire to learn or admiration of some scholar you should proceed if you just want to validate your image as a smart guy stop. 
+
+If you have the right motivations then start by finding valuable texts above your current understanding and carefully read them taking notes in your own words that explain the core ideas. At the end of the process you should be able to summarize the key problem the author had his main arguments and his sub points. Make connections with other books.
+--- 21951045
+>>21950999
+Part two
+
+Don’t worry about speed or feeling like you are in a competition. It’s better to go slow and retain. Don’t be afraid to reread and go back to the great books again and again. To some extent There is no reading only rereading. Don’t lie to yourself or others that you understand stuff just to impress them. Don’t try to read a bunch of complex books really quickly just to check off an imaginary list that is waste of your time. Make sure not to burn yourself out and enjoy reading good literature as well as non-fiction. Learning should be serious but not torturous. Remember not to live only in books or think books can fix your life you need to go outside and experience the real world. If you stay inside all the time and don’t make an effort to have real human connection and engage in the struggle or life you will regret it. Don’t let books become a psychological defense mechanism for avoiding real life or a substitute. Make sure to eat healthy and get some exercise and sunshine. You don’t have to be a body builder but know there is a mind body connection. 
+
+I can’t tell you exactly what books to read because I don’t know you. If you and me had an in person conversation I can evaluate where you’re struggling, what your background is, and what you are interested in and we could go from there. 
+
+Mostly your book choices should come from a kind of intuition and drawing towards books that have stood the test of time. You should look for ideas that resonate with you and also books that challenge you and go against your biases. Investigate why you think what you think and what you can learn from people you disagree with. One of the greatest problems with autodidacts is their tendency to hyper fixate a one author or idea at the expense of understanding the subject more broadly. That said once you get more knowledgeable about a topic you can get more niche and maybe look for academic articles on jstore or some place like that.
+--- 21951094
+>>21950952
+Sort of. Rich people historically had the opportunity to send their kids to the best schools and also had immense leisure time to engage in scholarly pursuits. Very few working class people had the chance to engage with culture or even could read. As colleges get more and more expensive it looks like academia will be like that again. However, the bigger problem I see is that middle class and poor people who are not exposed to high culture are self conscious especially conservative types who get brain mogged by liberal professors. They want to mimic what they think of as being a highly educated classical gentleman but this curriculum looks to me to be a simulacra. I don’t see how those kids could possibly absorb and retain all of the depth of these works. You can’t possibly read and think about all of Plato in four months. Probably the teachers will give them a few selections to read and a few memos and they will have forgot everything in a few years. It’s all about the idea of being the kind of person who reads Plato or whose kids read Plato rather then you know actually reading Plato. It’s reading as an identity prop and consumer good.
+--- 21951149
+>>21951094
+I don’t know what rich kids education looks like now probably some gay horse shit about Black trans biopic equity and books written by barren Jewish spinsters. But I know growing up my cousins were all very rich and went to the best private school in the city while I was poor. This combined with not being athletic or good with women encouraged me to craft a narci image of myself as the great intellectual to protect my ego. I realized what I was doing years ago was garbage but I wasted a lot of years playing a part instead and desperately trying to make everyone else believe it. Now I am more comfortable with who I am and pursuing what I care about in college but I still have to watch myself from falling back into old habits.
+--- 21951278
+>>21951094
+Shite book there. Catholic goes to windbag lengths to state Catholicism invented leisure time. Closeted priests are this dumb
+--- 21951749
+Are there also recommendations for books that not only focus on humanities but also on general scientific fields?
+It may sound strange but now when I hit my 30s I understood that I neglected quite a few of subjects and I also barely remember anything from my school program. I want to be an educated person in a sense that I want to be able to retain that information and to have it at my disposal at any time.
+Not doing it for the sake of anything but my own desire to be more educated.
+--- 21952090
+>>21951749
+There are loads of them.
+--- 21952179
+>>21948678
+Could whoever have made this chosen books that weren't so expensive?
+Anyone got other books/resources that provide the same information as this ones? I'm not spending over $100 on a book when I don't have to.
+--- 21952194
+>>21952179
+>E-Reader and Anna's Archive
+there you go. all knowledge should be free.
+--- 21952205
+>>21952179
+I am sure you can find a free pdf somewhere. If not you can find something equivalent most of the time. Simply find a book addressing a similar problem or topic and check on the author to see if they are credible. A simple inspection is pretty easy. Ignore books with unnecessary profanity in the title or cheap looking covers or other Reddit markers. See if other people have reviewed it and what they have say.
+--- 21952363
+>>21952194
+>Anna's Archive
+Never seen this one before, thank you.
+--- 21952665
+>>21951094
+>You can’t possibly read and think about all of Plato in four months. Probably the teachers will give them a few selections to read and a few memos and they will have forgot everything in a few years
+>therefore it is much better to not read Plato at all
+What is better - a course that offers some Plato or one with none?
+--- 21952929
+>>21948462
+There needs to be a general about cultural education with recommendations like this. Great recs, mate.
+--- 21952987
+>>21952665
+You clearly don’t understand the point I am making so I will explain it as simply as I can. Reading book good. Pretending to read book for clout not good. Getting a classical education with real learning and real passion good. Paying $100,000 dollar to “spark a life long love for the classics” and pretending to be 18th century aristocrat not good. Read the Greeks but not as a memetic fetish. Sorry if I am coming across a massive asshole but it took me a long time to realize how I was abusing intellectualism to cope with my own inferiority complexes and narcissism. Don’t make my mistakes!
+--- 21953109
+>>21952987
+>I was abusing intellectualism to cope with my own inferiority complexes and narcissism
+you still are
+Simple question, simple answer - What is better - a course that offers some Plato or one with none?

lit/21948384.txt

@@ -205,3 +205,207 @@ Yeah but there's a difference if he's actually who he says he is and is right. I
 --- 21949725
 >>21949187
 reddit
+--- 21949958
+>>21948384 (OP)
+job 23
+
+8 
+“But if I go to the east, he is not there;
+ if I go to the west, I do not find him.
+9 
+When he is at work in the north, I do not see him;
+ when he turns to the south, I catch no glimpse of him.
+10 
+But he knows the way that I take;
+ when he has tested me, I will come forth as gold.
+11 
+My feet have closely followed his steps;
+ I have kept to his way without turning aside.
+12 
+I have not departed from the commands of his lips;
+ I have treasured the words of his mouth more than my daily bread.
+
+13 
+“But he stands alone, and who can oppose him?
+ He does whatever he pleases.
+14 
+He carries out his decree against me,
+ and many such plans he still has in store.
+15 
+That is why I am terrified before him;
+ when I think of all this, I fear him.
+16 
+God has made my heart faint;
+ the Almighty has terrified me.
+17 
+Yet I am not silenced by the darkness,
+ by the thick darkness that covers my face.
+--- 21950042
+For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your ancestors, but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect.
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+
+Truly the work of the lord
+--- 21950390
+>>21949038
+What's that translation for the top one?
+--- 21950419
+Didn't read much of the thread.
+I'm in Numbers which is farther than I have ever read of these stories. 
+On this attempt I actually quite enjoyed Genesis and Exodus, but Leviticus was a slog and Numbers seems the same way. I have read that Deuteronomy is also a book of laws. How much of the entire collection (I plan to read the new testament as well) is like this? Or are these three books the usual hurdle?
+--- 21950476
+>>21948388
+This one gets me every time.
+--- 21950808
+>>21948384 (OP)
+Jesus called out with a loud voice, “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit.” When he had said this, he breathed his last.
+--- 21950873
+30 But when he saw that the wind was boisterous, he was afraid; and beginning to sink, he cried, saying, “Lord, save me!”
+
+31 And immediately Jesus stretched forth His hand and caught him and said unto him, “O thou of little faith, why didst thou doubt?”
+--- 21950895
+>>21948705
+Yep I'm cryin
+--- 21950927
+>>21950419
+Numbers, Leviticus and Deuteronomy are a slog. The prophets and Revelation are difficult to understand. I'd leave those til last.
+Genesis, Exodus, Gospels, Joshua-Nehemiah is the best order for "narrative" books. Read the NT letters and the Psalms, Proverbs etc wisdom as you go.
+--- 21950940
+23 Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth.
+24 And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief.
+--- 21951264
+>>21948384 (OP)
+About to read the entire bible. Am I in for kino?
+--- 21951917
+>>21948384 (OP)
+
+John 15: 12-27
+
+12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
+
+13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
+
+14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
+
+15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
+
+16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
+
+17 These things I command you, that ye love one another.
+
+18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
+
+19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
+
+20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
+
+21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me.
+
+22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloak for their sin.
+
+23 He that hateth me hateth my Father also.
+
+24 If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father.
+
+25 But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.
+
+26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
+
+27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.
+
+>13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
+--- 21951921
+The first verse that got me in the feels when I became Christian was when Jesus says "I no longer call you my servants, but my friends"
+--- 21951924
+>>21951264
+You're in for giving up halfway into Deutoronomy.
+--- 21951932
+>>21951264
+dont read it in order
+my suggested order would be:
+Luke, acts, then all the epistles + revelations. and throw the other gospels and psalms in between whenever you get bored
+You can read the OT in order if you want, but you'll get more out of it if you read the NT first. but maybe start with the wisdom lit for the OT.
+--- 21951997
+>>21951264
+Start with Genesis and Exodus, then read Psalms, Proverbs, and Ecclesiastes. For an overview of important history and prophets, read the books of Kings and Judges (there's two of each), and then read the prophets and minor prophets (Jonah and Daniel are great places to start).
+
+Then read the Gospels in order; Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, then Acts and Romans. By then you'll have all the most essential information covered, and from there you can read the epistles (Galations, Corinthians, etc), the more obscure Old Testament histories (like Samuel), prophesy like Revelations, etc.
+
+Read the NKJV if you can, or the NASB. They're the most accurate translations that also retain some readability (not as hard to understand as the KJV) but they don't sacrifice the accuracy of the translation the way other more "accessible" translations do (like the NIV).
+--- 21952143
+>He went up from there to Bethel, and while he was going up on the way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him, saying, “Go up, you baldhead! Go up, you baldhead!” 
+>And he turned around, and when he saw them, he cursed them in the name of the Lord. And two she-bears came out of the woods and tore forty-two of the boys.
+I cri everitim
+--- 21952218
+>Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me
+--- 21952220
+>>21948384 (OP)
+I'm a very trad cath but my goodness the KJV is gorgeous. Everytime I see their verses I enjoy it.
+--- 21952281
+>Jesus wept.
+--- 21952472
+>>21949187
+except, you dont have to sell your belongings and devot your life to Him to be saved. you are saved by faith/belief alone, and salvation is literally a gift. 
+Eph 2:8-9
+John 3:16
+--- 21952490
+>>21948384 (OP)
+Do not gloat over me, my enemy! Though I have fallen, I will rise. Though I sit in darkness, the LORD will be my light.
+--- 21953075
+Always makes me tear up knowing that even Jesus wept along his journey despite being God he was man
+--- 21953087
+>>21949038
+First verse describes me scrolling /x/
+--- 21953397
+The Wisdom of the Apostle St Paul to the Galatians from the Liturgy of St John ('Golden Mouthed') Chrysostom: https://youtu.be/H8MUi27Ff2s?t=1200 [Embed]
+Gets me to tear up every time.
+--- 21953404
+>>21953397
+I can't believe no one else said this btw. It's weird sometimes I think the Epistles of St Paul are proof enough of Christ's victory by themselves.
+--- 21953467
+Jonah 2
+
+assage
+Resources
+Hebrew/Greek
+Your Content
+Jonah 2
+Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition
+Now the Lord prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonas: and Jonas was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.
+
+And Jonas prayed to the Lord his God out of the belly of the fish.
+
+And he said: I cried out of my affliction to the Lord, and he heard me: I cried out of the belly of hell, and thou hast heard my voice.
+
+And thou hast cast me forth into the deep in the heart of the sea, and a flood hath compassed me: all thy billows, and thy waves have passed over me.
+
+And I said: I am cast away out of the sight of thy eyes: but yet I shall see thy holy temple again.
+
+The waters compassed me about even to the soul: the deep hath closed me round about, the sea hath covered my head.
+
+I went down to the lowest parts of the mountains: the bars of the earth have shut me up for ever: and thou wilt bring up my life from corruption, O Lord my God.
+
+When my soul was in distress within me, I remembered the Lord: that my prayer may come to thee, unto thy holy temple.
+
+They that are vain observe vanities, forsake their own mercy.
+
+But I with the voice of praise will sacrifice to thee: I will pay whatsoever I have vowed for my salvation to the Lord.
+
+And the Lord spoke to the fish: and it vomited out Jonas upon the dry land.
+--- 21953565
+God absolutely gives us more than we can handle so that we stop relying on ourselves and rely on Him (1 Corinthians 10:13)
+--- 21953578
+>>21948384 (OP)
+ezekiel 23:20 of course:
+There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.
+
+or another good one is gen 19:36:
+So both of Lot’s daughters became pregnant by their father.
+
+since i'm a christcuck, i LOVE stories about beastiality, incest, descriptions of genitalia, you name it!
+--- 21953590
+Jew thread

lit/21948653.txt

@@ -63,3 +63,63 @@ Don’t we all.
 --- 21949753
 >>21949162
 You got a kek out of me
+--- 21950036
+>>21948706
+It’s whatever, I assure you it won’t feel that special when it happens 
+
+t. Only had an intimate experience with a woman at 24
+--- 21950919
+>>21950036
+Maybe she just wasn’t the one, anon.
+--- 21950923
+My friend with benefit reads my manuscripts, she actually goes out of her way to ask for it. She really likes them, well she says so anyways, I really don't understand this woman. Maybe love is about lying.
+--- 21950974
+>>21948687
+This actually happened to me in middle school but in reverse. Cute older girl would frequently bully me and talk shit about me to her friends, then I wrote some cringe poem about how I forgave her or something, and then she sort of started liking me? I was of course too shy and autistic to capitalize on it. Would literally start trembling and mumbling when she spoke to me.
+--- 21951012
+>>21948653 (OP)
+Read THIS! 
+
+*wipes precum on carpet*
+--- 21951222
+>>21949350
+No. That's a bed and breakfast. She is a honeymooner.
+--- 21951272
+>>21948653 (OP)
+If my own works aren't good enough for me to be satisfied yet, they certainly aren't ready for others to hear or read them.
+--- 21952505
+>>21951272
+Based and humble.
+--- 21952514
+>>21948654
+>your girls
+?
+--- 21952533
+>>21952514
+tfw polyamorous degenerate
+--- 21952595
+Wouldn't it be embarrassing for your wife to enjoy your novels? It's sweet being supportive and all, but aren't we so fundamentally different that nearly nothing we'd be dying to put out would have that much appeal to women?
+
+Likewise whatever women would write, from YA to profound motherhood themes, won't speak much to us.
+--- 21952678
+>>21952595
+If you're unable to suspend your own self to understand another gender's approach to the fundamentals of life, you're a helpless autist who is NGMI
+--- 21952727
+>>21952678
+>understand another gender's approach to the fundamentals of life
+But why would I? I'll at most just be a second-hand woman, a tranny. I can't speak for them, nor give them advice. Nor expect them to fully understand the matters I address, which only really concern and make sense to men.
+--- 21952739
+>>21949246
+
+I legit thought it was a tranny and you were baiting 
+
+I hate the antichrist I hate the antichrist I hate the antichrist
+--- 21952778
+>>21952595
+>aren't we so fundamentally different that nearly nothing we'd be dying to put out would have that much appeal to women
+Unless you're a complete sperg, or I suppose a hyper-masculine Andrew Tate type, then no. I mean, if you marry a woman who has only ever read trashy romance novels then maybe, but that's hardly a universal description of women. Plenty of books by male authors are popular with women, and vice-versa, since there are more than enough themes about the human experience which are completely unrelated to gender. And of course that's assuming that she is completely unable to enjoy a strictly male perspective, which is also not universally true.
+--- 21953036
+>>21952739
+>woman has short hair and small tits
+>must be a tranny 
+Are you 12 years old anon?

lit/21948695.txt

@@ -103,3 +103,97 @@ Explain. And desu elaborate further with your whole post. I can’t follow your
 >>21949099
 >higher-order predicate
 oh finally some decent philosophical discussion
+--- 21949974
+>>21949091
+Why not offer something of your own to discussion since the status of space as empirical concept, and Peirce, Hume, Deleuze along with it, was refuted? Space is a condition of the appearance of any thing or series, not an appearance. Negative definition is entirely appropriate in transcendental philosophy. You can pretend to posit space empirically like the common man thinks but you can't explain it empirically without leading to antinomies, so space must be higher, a condition of empiricism. 100 years of pseudosophy refuted.
+--- 21950126
+>>21949270
+>Hitler is contained in your idea of WW2 and Nazism and cannot be divorced from the two 
+Correct. It’s called virtuality. A circle is virtual in a sphere because you can’t cognize the sphere without a circle, but you aren’t actually cognizing a circle.
+--- 21950133
+>>21949974
+The antinomy is just a result of trying to apply a priori thought to something that is determined scientifically. Our brains can design any arbitrary geometry where space either stops or doesn’t. Modern physics has shown that it can be empirically determined whether space goes on forever or stops, because it has made several hypotheses on the geometry of the universe and given conditions for their falsifiability (although none of them have been proven because it is complicated)
+--- 21950145
+>>21949270
+>how can a geometrical predicate build into an intuition of space when to space is a predicate of the field of geometry? 
+It’s not. Modern mathematics has moved beyond Euclid.
+--- 21950169
+>>21948734
+>>21948943
+>>21949013
+>>21949035
+>>21949053
+>I devoted two hours a day to the study of Kant's Critic of the Pure Reason for more than three years, until I almost knew the whole book by heart, and had critically examined every section of it. For about two years, I had long and almost daily discussions with Chauncey Wright, one of the most acute of the followers of J. S. Mill. The effect of these studies was that I came to hold the classical German philosophy to be, upon its argumentative side, of little weight; although I esteem it, perhaps am too partial to it, as a rich mine of philosophical suggestions. The English philosophy, meagre and crude, as it is, in its conceptions, proceeds by surer methods and more accurate logic. The doctrine of the association of ideas is, to my thinking, the finest piece of philosophical work of the prescientific ages. Yet I can but pronounce English sensationalism to be entirely destitute of any solid bottom.
+Krautbros...
+--- 21950208
+>>21950133
+>determined scientifically
+There is not a single scientific theory which does not presuppose a priori space for the appearance of the contents it is concerned with. To be able to draw a Gaussian coordinate you already need somewhere for lines and points to appear. You can't escape transcendental philosophy through "science". Similarly with space-time diagrams: their appearance requires some type of a priori space, so appealing to them doesn't reach Kant's philosophy at all. Naive realists don't really grok this, so the interpretation will be incomplete since it fails to take into account the appearance of the model which supposedly describes all of space: false statement since itsvery ppearance presumes space.
+--- 21950241
+>>21950208
+you miss the point. The mind can arbitrarily construct a hypothesis where space is infinite and where it is not. you cannot a priori demonstrate or not demonstrate that "space" is infinite or not, not because you get to an antinomy, but because space is made up by the mind and can be however you want it to be. The only reason people regard space as Euclidean is because it is the most useful; if some physicists thinks that hyperbolic space is more useful, he will use that hypothesis instead. the fact that we are capable of even asking the question whether the physical universe is hyperbolic, euclidean, flat, three dimensional, a sphere, or anything shows already that space is a hypothesis and its nature consists in its applicability. there simply is no "transcendental" space as you imagine it, there is only the particular idea of space that Kant had when he was writing about it. If there was one a priori transcendental space that was the precondition for imagining all other spaces, then you would not get Aristotle and Augustine drawing opposite conclusions about its nature in the first place. All this "transcendental space" really is is the thing that you imagine when you imagine things, not the end all be all of all imagination. It is indeed a very strong way of imagination that we are all very ingrained in, but we are also ingrained in all the habits of our childhood, so it being difficult to imagine space being this way and that is not evidence against our idea of space having been drawn from perception. You, like Kant, can keep saying that your idea of space is the ground of all other ideas, but if you actually observe your own cognition, you will realize that that is all nebulous and vague and arbitrary.
+--- 21950276
+>>21949974
+You don't even know what space is, yet you're adamant that it is a pure intuition and not an empirical concept. Classic dogmatism. Kantians are their own hypocritical worst enemy.
+--- 21950292
+>>21950276
+b-but if we say enough times that you cant imagine anything without imagining an 18th century autistic german's idea of space first then it will become true right?
+--- 21950312
+>>21950276
+I literally proved it can't be an empirical concept, if we start from the peasant assumption that it is. I refuted its status as an empirical and you aren't capable of admitting this and try to act like I didn't just refute your concept of space by pointing to the antinomy that follows. Since we see that the concept of space transcends its empirical application, we must move to transcendental philosophy, a move clearly beyond the likes of yourself.
+--- 21950322
+>>21950312
+how does the assumption that space is empirical lead to the antinomy? Kant literally used his own transcendental tenets to prove the thesis and anti-thesis of the antinomies
+--- 21950338
+>>21950126
+Aren't you always cognizing a circle when cognizing a sphere? The borders of a sphere are a circle. You cannot cognize a sphere without cognizing its borders to differentiate it from its background.
+--- 21950339
+>>21950241
+>that space is a hypothesis and its nature consists in its applicability.
+No, this is not the level of philosophy in which Kant operates. For all those empirical constructs to appear, for even the concept of something usable to appear: this is the subject of the conversation, the conditions of a thing in the first place. If we are talking of conditions of things, there certainly cannot be any appeal to usefulness since the thing doesn't exist yet, it is just what has been problematized. By analyzing various peasant-senseconcepts, we can see that they can't be posited as things without it leading to antinomies, so they are therewith analyzed as non-things, conditions, forms of experience, not things in themselves.
+--- 21950368
+>>21950322
+I just made the argument in the orihinal post. Space cannot appear, since it would appear in space, which leads straight to the first antinomy. The antinomy is unsolveable because on one hand positing space as finite begs the question of its appearance, and on the other hand positing it as infinite begs the question of the finitude and placement of anything in it ("synthesis to completion")
+--- 21950411
+>>21950368
+why do things have to appear in something to appear?
+--- 21950447
+>>21950169
+>English sensationalism to be entirely destitute of any solid bottom
+So then the whole thing is worthless anyway with the exception of its method.
+>>21950145
+>It’s not. Modern mathematics has moved beyond Euclid.
+This sounds like bullshit, but I am, admittedly, not a mathematician. Explain how it's not.
+--- 21950569
+>>21950292
+I’m kekking out loud every time you reply without giving a definition of space. What’s the difficulty?
+--- 21951421
+Bump
+--- 21951458
+>>21948695 (OP)
+His biosemiotics are much more groundbreaking than his metaphysics.
+--- 21951520
+>>21951458
+His semiotics is based on his metaphysics.
+--- 21951660
+>>21950411
+Because things are limited, separate and definite. Space, however, can't be conceived in such a way, as I showed. You can have whatever conception of it but it will escape the status of a thing originally delusionally credited to it. Therefore, it's not a thing or an object of empirical observation. Same goes everything in the categories. All that transcendental philosophy can do is show this deficiency from the ground up. Can you now attempt to refute my decisive refutation of space as an empirical concept with an argument on your own?
+--- 21951899
+>>21951660
+>Because things are limited, separate and definite. Space, however, can't be conceived in such a way, as I showed.
+What? What does this mean and why does it necessitate that things appear in something? Things are not naturally individuated until something individuates them. It sounds like you are assuming that things are necessarily individuated, and then assuming that space is the only thing that can individuate them. I don't see how you've explained why something has to appear in something else. your "proof" that space is the transcendental condition of sensibility is just begging the question, because in order to prove that space is so you assume that everything needs space to appear to begin with.
+--- 21953201
+>>21950276
+Materialists believe that when they drag an mp4 into a folder on their desktop they are literally putting one thing inside of another and not just rearranging 1s and 0s on their hard drive
+--- 21953246
+>>21950447
+NTA but just look into set-theoretic approaches to geometry. You can describe geometrical objects indirectly in a non-geometrical way (although you admittedly have geometrical notions in the back of your mind when you're defining and working with these non-geometrical devices).
+--- 21953248
+>>21953246
+I should add that the point is that everything thing in math basically boils down to working with sets in one way or another---even geometry which is supposed to be visual and not so abstracted.
+--- 21953322
+>>21949295
+If a baby were building its intuition of space from a pure set of geometrical relations then object permanence would be implicitly understood by the very nature of the permanence of geometrical relations. It’s hard to make a clear argument when Pierce doesn’t even define what geometrical relationships he has in mind, but generally there are all types of miscalculations that people make every day which are symptomatic of a poor understanding of geometry. People get lost in the woods by absentmindedly walking downhill instead of in a set path, the quickest path for a ball to roll downhill is in a parabolic curve and not a straight line, etc. You can argue that these stem from a miscalculation of our initial geometric constructions instead of the lack of their primacy but the baby example is the clearest to me as an object1 passing behind object2 and breaking line of sight could only equate to the loss of object1’s reality if the primary mode of engagement with sensuousness is visual and not geometric-conceptual. If the primary mode were geometric-conceptual then the loss of object1’s visual would be understood in the mind eye as its passing behind object2, given that motion is understood geometrically, and it’s reappearance would cause no surprise. There’s a reason peekaboo is played with kids: they actually forget you’re behind your hands when you close them.
+>>21950145
+>>21953246
+If our understanding of space is built from set-theory derived axioms of geometry then our perception is the qualitative interpretation of the quantitative universe. Roughly, our perception seems to be true to the quantitative facts which means that they must have been built from the quantitative substrate of the universe. This is a complete inversion of Kant’s scheme where we have to assume a priori knowledge of the universe outside of our perception in order to create a crude reflection of it. Not only does this seem implausible but also unnecessary seeing as if the biological motor of life had access to pure knowledge of the intangible why would it use that to construct a crude simulation of it which it then would use as the primary stage for consciousness? It’s both energy inefficient and anti-evolutionary, both anathema for biology.

lit/21948920.txt

@@ -38,3 +38,134 @@ But of course
 --- 21949786
 >>21948920 (OP)
 Tattoos are for leftists, degenerates, and morons (but I repeat myself)
+--- 21949977
+>>21949786
+modern tattoos yes, historically they were used to tell stories or show your tribe
+--- 21950052
+>>21948920 (OP)
+Yea, I have a four prong symbol on my chest, inspired by a book my Uncle wrote.
+--- 21950329
+>>21949977
+Only if you were some uncivilized barbarian or slave.
+--- 21950356
+'The people who live there ! I tell you, they never sleep !'
+'Why don't they sleep ?'
+'Because they never get tired .'
+'Why don't they get tired ?'
+'Because they're fools .'
+'Don't fools get tired ?'
+'How could fools get tired !'
+--- 21950394
+>>21950329
+But anon tattoos and oral stories were the /lit/ of their day. You marked yourself with the great works of the day.
+--- 21950409
+>>21950394
+just imagine you're crowded around the fire and someone asks you about the mark on your shoulder and you tell them how the ancestors huddled in a cave as fire rained down from heaven, the group then engages in a literary debate on what motivated the gods and whether they were justified while comparing it to the story behind the tattoo on your leg or chest. a few others inspired to hear more of these stories and get their own copies. 
+This was personal /lit/ before writing.
+--- 21950435
+>>21949104
+W-Why..? Not like I know anyone in particular that's like that h-haha..
+--- 21950680
+>>21948920 (OP)
+disgusting
+--- 21950689
+>>21948920 (OP)
+>One Piece
+>Black Clover
+>Hunter x Hunter
+>Darling in the Franxx
+Based Shonentard.
+
+>>21949120
+For me it's procrastinating my writing.
+--- 21950714
+>>21948920 (OP)
+I have a tattoo of the funny wannabe knight from La Mancha
+--- 21950881
+>>21949096
+>>21949104
+>>21949746
+>she
+--- 21951397
+>>21949104
+Stay away from any women that owns a dog like in op's pic
+--- 21951527
+>>21950394
+>>21950409
+>barbarian scum can't remember their """history""" and need markings on their temple to remind them
+Body markings are for subhumans.
+--- 21951542
+>>21951527
+You will never be roman
+--- 21951547
+>>21951542
+Μα είμαι Ρωμιός.
+--- 21951569
+>>21951547
+pretty sure youre an arab muttbaby.
+--- 21951592
+>>21949488
+Και οι επτα αγγελοι εσαλπισαν
+ΧΞΣ
+--- 21951604
+>>21951569
+>y-you are not M-Med
+>w-well y-you're an m-mutt rapeb-baby
+Ah, the always delightful barbarian cope.
+--- 21951613
+>>21951604
+Greeks are turks doe
+--- 21952234
+>>21951527
+The Scythians and peoples descended from them were commonly adorned with intricate tattoos? I recall the greeks and romans claimed a common ancestry with them.
+Pretty much everyhing they had they covered with intricate patterns Their wagons, jewelery, cutlery, drinking cups, clothes, etc, etc if they could use it to convey meaning they would.
+--- 21952246
+>>21951527
+>>21951547
+>>21951569
+>>21951592
+>>21951604
+>>21951613
+>>21952234
+KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN
+--- 21953044
+Yes. It's a bomb that has "Goodbye Blue Monday" written on it.
+--- 21953062
+>>21948920 (OP)
+Mine's based on the few instances a latin idiom was used across western canon
+>NVMEN
+>Nod
+>Divine Power
+>"snap"
+--- 21953066
+>>21948920 (OP)
+Yes. I've tattooed my whole body just like my hero Queequeg.
+--- 21953073
+>>21949096
+>HPV
+Try HIV.
+--- 21953077
+>>21949754
+>tattoos are stupid, but not mine because it's so clever and unique!
+--- 21953091
+>>21953077
+Not him but not all tattoos are about individuality. I might go back to my grandma's country one day to live. If I do, I'd like one of the old ladies there that still do traditional tribal tattoos to do something from my tribe, e.g., suns on hand.
+--- 21953092
+>>21948920 (OP)
+Why did women go from having no tattoos to looking like they just got out of a Russian prison
+--- 21953110
+>>21948920 (OP)
+I have the words "a cage went in search of a bird" on my stomach
+ a portrait of Dostoevsky on my chest
+two pictures from icelandic manuscripts on my arm and leg, one of a guy getting hanged, another is a drawing of valhalla
+--- 21953343
+>>21953091
+>go back to my grandma's country
+The sooner the better
+--- 21953444
+>>21948920 (OP)
+
+i have "Ruggles" tattoed on my dick
+--- 21953660
+>>21948920 (OP)
+I have tattoos referencing the crying of lot 49., a thousand plateaus and Austin Osman Spare, as well as a fuckload of others

lit/21949304.txt

@@ -10,3 +10,32 @@ Assuming AI stands for Asimov, Isaac
 --- 21949794
 >>21949304 (OP)
 all of them if you count the library of babble
+--- 21950025
+>>21949304 (OP)
+Amor Cringe
+--- 21950289
+>>21949304 (OP)
+The Suns of Horace
+--- 21950959
+>>21949304 (OP)
+Based AI mommy.
+--- 21950988
+>>21949304 (OP)
+There's a pretty good chance that a bulk of the self published wish fulfillment fantasy smut that I indulge in is AI generated. Does that count?
+--- 21950998
+>>21949304 (OP)
+It's subtle but if you look closely you can tell
+--- 21952152
+>>21950988
+Post some of it.
+--- 21952161
+>>21949304 (OP)
+--- 21952183
+>>21949304 (OP)
+gravitys rainbow but cia doesnt want you to know that
+--- 21953269
+>>21950998
+Boy howdy, litRPGs are really good for word/page count filler aren't they?
+--- 21953302
+>>21949304 (OP)
+How much do I have to wait until AI will generate porn images of real historical female figures?

lit/21949461.txt

@@ -8,3 +8,49 @@ Leave the homo shit at the door. No I will NOT read A Picture of Dorian Grey or
 --- 21949492
 >>21949461 (OP)
 Have you read Confessions of a Mask?
+--- 21949934
+This shit is basically telenovela the Japanese literature edition. Boring and tedious.
+--- 21949936
+>>21949461 (OP)
+>Whatever you think of Mishima’s personal beliefs this is genuinely the best romance novel I’ve ever read.
+How many have you read though? If you've read like 3 making such a claim isn't all that much.
+--- 21949940
+>>21949934
+>>21949936
+Post better ones then
+--- 21949953
+>>21949940
+Twilight
+The Notebook
+--- 21951271
+>>21949953
+Ok so you really don’t have anything do you?
+--- 21951356
+I agree OP. This is imo the best romance novel of the modern era.
+
+Catullus poems on love are fantastic.
+--- 21951960
+>>21949461 (OP)
+the sound of waves, also by mishima and the man isn't a sensitive bitch like in spring snow.
+--- 21952529
+>>21951960
+Basedu
+--- 21952689
+>>21949461 (OP)
+any of the major works by Machado de Assis.
+especially 'Dom Casmurro' and 'Memorial de Aires'
+--- 21953054
+>>21949934
+It's the opposite. There's almost no forced drama on it. There's almost no conflict at all. It's a beautiful and delicate book.
+--- 21953060
+>>21949461 (OP)
+Call Me By Your Name
+--- 21953152
+>>21949461 (OP)
+Oblomov and Tristram Shandy are both unexpected great romance novels.
+--- 21953318
+>>21949461 (OP)
+Les amities particulares
+--- 21953708
+>>21949461 (OP)
+Have you read the other 3 books in the series?

lit/21949475.txt

@@ -7,3 +7,34 @@ If you love the movie, you will at least like the book. It's told from the persp
 --- 21949902
 >>21949475 (OP)
 Can't say for sure, but I will say this: Kesey's other major novel, Sometime a Great Notion, is exceptional. I therefore recommend.
+--- 21950027
+>>21949475 (OP)
+You'll enjoy it but the plots diverge and converge frequently. It's not the same as the movie, but it's still on par.
+--- 21950119
+>>21949475 (OP)
+Kesey hated the movie because it portrayed Nurse Ratchett as the villain. In the book he makes it clear that Ratchet is just part of the machine of the hospital. The entire institution is what keeps the inmates and destroys their humanity, not one bitchy nurse. Once you read the book, you can see Keseys problem with the movie very clearly.
+--- 21950146
+>>21950119
+in democracy all public servants are guilty
+--- 21950574
+>>21949475 (OP)
+The book is far better than the movie. The movie kind of butchers and merges characters together.
+--- 21950744
+>>21950574
+How could the book be better when the film literally won Best Picture? The book won nothing at all.
+--- 21951463
+>>21949475 (OP)
+i recently read the book and watched the movie after and have an unfinished essay on the differences. the book is exceptionally deeper than the movie; comparatively the movie is a shell of the book with the themes and characters it presents. this is mainly due to the butchering of bromdens character, inner dialogues, and experiences and memories in the translation from book to film. my favourite part about the novel which is nowhere to be found in the film is its criticism of industrial society. even little things - like in the start of the book the mention of the plaque congratulating the patients for getting along and functioning, or the man who runs tours through the hospital basically advertising the patients as an achievement of modern society to able people - serve to support greater thoughts that the story makes one consider.
+
+yeah the movie was REALLY successful, but it utterly fails depth wise compared to the novel. some people consider it the best film adaptation of all time, but that just makes me consider that film is an inferior medium to writing. im obviously biased, i much prefer everything in the book to the film.
+--- 21951472
+>>21951463
+forgot to add, my favourite chapter in the novel is definitely chapter 7
+--- 21951557
+>>21950744
+Winning isn't everything anon
+--- 21953038
+op here, thanks team. sounds like i'll be reading the book.
+--- 21953042
+>>21949902
+i'll check that one out for sure!

lit/21949531.txt

@@ -66,3 +66,50 @@ Curzio Malaparte is sometimes overlooked around here. I enjoyed The Volga Rises
 --- 21949842
 >>21949773
 I memoryholed that
+--- 21951210
+>>21949793
+Charleroi is such an awesome book. I bought it after watching Paths Of Glory and I have no regrets. Best book about the Poilus imo. I'm a bit of a /k/ type guy who is going to be joining the FFL soon so Junger really hit for me. Plus, I read Junger right when Ukraine broke out, so I associate that book with war in general as a concept and state of being. I haven't read Graves, but I'll put her on the list.
+--- 21951214
+>>21949836
+>overlooked 
+Retard, he is in many charts and is invariably recommended in every thread related to NYRB
+--- 21951243
+Babel "Konarmiya"
+Simonov "The Living and the Dead"
+--- 21951324
+>>21949531 (OP)
+>Storm of Steel
+>Mine Were of Trouble
+>My Early Life (bits where Churchill talks about his military service)
+>A Memoir of the Warsaw Uprising
+--- 21951524
+>>21951324
+All great. Warsaw Uprising has been on my list for a while. I'm apprehensive about Churchill though, dude was such a cunt in Gallipoli.
+--- 21952500
+I loved Storm of Steel but I read it years ago and kind of hate Jünger threads.
+--- 21952726
+>>21952500
+I get it. Have you ever read A Martyr Speaks? It's a journal written by delusional American soldier that went over to Rhodesia to fight in the Bush War, and slowly loses his grasp on reality as a result. It's an awesome book.
+--- 21952926
+>>21952726
+:0 sounds cool anon!
+--- 21952944
+>>21952726
+>not on any of my pirate websites
+>cheapest copy is over a hundred dollars (for a "readable" copy)
+Fuck!
+--- 21952967
+For Whom The Bell Tolls is a must read
+--- 21953006
+Generation Kill
+--- 21953277
+>>21951210
+Nice to see another anon who read and liked Charleroi. Good luck in the FFL anon! You should keep us posted
+--- 21953630
+Got this on my list. I'll read it eventually, I swear guys.
+--- 21953645
+>>21952967
+not WW1, but a good book
+>/lit/ contrarians will deny this because too mainstream
+--- 21953656
+the war parts of War and Peace

lit/21949579.txt

@@ -25,3 +25,222 @@ All of the antagonists are rich business owners that use their money to manipula
 /thread
 --- 21949821
 Fountainhead was better, but yeah randists are autistic
+--- 21949914
+>>21949579 (OP)
+>Being a selfish rat and not caring for your community is good
+Clearly didn't actually read the book.
+--- 21950005
+>it has been 7 trillion years later
+>leftoids still cant argue against atlas
+lets say you are a worker, you know, employed, not someone who larps 20 hours a day on reddit page called 'antiwork' (cant make this shit up)
+lets say you are MORE productive, more efficient, more profitable, BETTER worker than the average
+why would you want to collectivize? 
+why collectivize yourself with the inferiors, when you can just have private property and contract law? 
+
+no leftist has ever answered me 
+there is a reason leftism only ever produced famine and gulag, when you equalize superior and inferior, no one wants to try harder, all you get are inferiors, famine, and gulags
+--- 21950008
+>>21949579 (OP)
+Our "communities" put BLM signs on their lawns and simp for WW3 just so they can add another flag to their online bio. They deserve nothing but contempt and disdain.
+--- 21950018
+>>21949651
+This makes sense, considering she was a commie under deep cover performing cultural terrorism to undermine capitalism in the USA.
+--- 21950026
+>>21950018
+>>21949651
+no retards, you forgot the central piece, the government 
+you cant exploit without a government
+you cant have monopolies without a government 
+you cant have corruption and lobbying without a government 
+you cant have exploitative licences and regulations without a government 
+
+capitalism is not when a government does thing, abusing government is communist ideology
+in atlas shrugged, atlas types just shrug the government off and create utopia based on private property and contract law, and zero government
+--- 21950067
+>>21949579 (OP)
+>your community
+what community? My family lives in different states. I don't know my neighbors. Even if I did know them, they wouldn't want to spend any time with me. We have no social safety nets. We are completely alone. The social contract is gone.
+--- 21950078
+>>21949615
+>Rich people are... le bad!
+Is there any lazier and more public school worldview than this?
+--- 21950231
+>>21950005
+It's normal for the stronger to help the weaker, it's a hardwired trait that has come to create the social contract. We do the hard stuff, they raise our babies, then the next generation takes care of us when we are old, etc
+The problem is in the modern state we are just slaves, like the horse in animal farm we do all the shit work for those weaker and less capable and get none of the benefits, just more and more abuse and exploitation
+--- 21950532
+>>21949821
+Cringe
+--- 21950685
+What's the appeal of her doorstoppers? She's an okay writer at best and her ideas aren't complicated. Even if you're drawn to her, why not just read Anthem and/or some essays, and save your reading time for basically anything else?
+--- 21950688
+>When did you grow out of Randism?
+--- 21950696
+>>21949651
+Look at that, this guy actually read the book. Unlike faggot OP.
+--- 21950809
+>>21950685
+her characters are an inspiration
+--- 21950853
+>>21950809
+>Rapists and socipaths are inspirations
+I'm glad to see the right wingers finally admit to who they are
+--- 21950883
+>>21950853
+the only mass murderers in history are leftists
+--- 21950913
+>>21949579 (OP)
+When did leftists actually read anything they critique?
+--- 21950916
+>>21949579 (OP)
+Rand developed a reactionary cult of ideology that lures people in with veiled self-help. "Existence exists! Adopt these truths and you will master reality--just like John Galt. Those who criticize are 'collectivist' subhumans too weak to stand as an individual and understand that 'A is A.'" Her takes are overly simplistic and define reality by simply denying complexity. She promotes jargon/labels in an attempt to predefine perameters and negate actual discussion/criticism--just like Marxism, her ideas aren't falsifiable. Followers will assert that monopoly on semantics and retreat to tautological assertions instead of meeting criticism head on. Buying into Rand is payment for a self-esteem that proves unwarranted as the actual expense is a self-indoctrination that retards thinking. Randtards are ideologues and ideologues don't think, they regurgitate.
+
+The easiest way to underscore her bullshit is to point out she asserts that the free market be characterized as an infaliable arbiter, basically deifying it in the process, when the reality is that it's a complex social mechanism that is never pure in the way Randianism requires. It's an emergent phenomena made up by inputs coming from limited human understanding and both moral and immoral impulses. 
+
+On top of all that you have the fact the leader of the cult didn't live up to her own ideas and accepted social security and medicare. The Randtard will assert she paid into these things and deserved them. They will not acknowledge they constitute a social safety net that Rand, due to her failure to plan for her financial future and poor life decisions that lead to ill health, reluctantly accepted. Basically, Randtards don't like it when you point out the flaws in their leader. They maintain the cognitive dissonance of seeing themselves as both free-thinking individualists that confront absolute reality and yet refusing to criticise the failures of their Dear Leader.
+--- 21950920
+Private property is the only way to care for your community.
+--- 21950922
+>>21950005
+get a job and then you'll probably understand why workers organize
+--- 21950947
+>calling a democracy of appetites a community
+retard
+--- 21950961
+>community
+I don't even know my neighbor's neighbors. I moved far away from my birthplace to get away from brown people that have turned it into islamabad. I am an incel and women apparently don't owe me anything. My main contact with society at large is that I do make very decent money and half of it is stolen to fund boomer pensions, single moms, fatasses and drug addicts straining hur NHS, wars for man-on-man sex in the Donbass, and the above mentioned brown invaders. 
+Muh community.
+--- 21951006
+>>21950922
+>get a job and then you'll probably understand why workers organize
+Funny the one thing i realize is that people hate the government more for taxing the shit out of them rather than hating their employer when they actually get a job. Have you actually worked a day in ur life anon?
+--- 21951077
+>>21950922
+its the leftists who feel entitled to a yacht for mopping floors or serving fast food 
+your hungry santa was the first on record to not understand value 
+the fuck is there to organize, when you have no value???
+the issue has always been that you have no value 
+
+start a business, try to self employ, employ yourself, would you even pay yourself?
+--- 21951098
+>>21951077
+Nta, but you have completely lost your mind. Move out of your parents house and get a fucking job. Oh, or start a business. So easy to do, right?
+--- 21951194
+>>21951163
+Wait, why did tranny janny delete that post?
+--- 21951235
+>>21950026
+>abusing government is communist ideology
+Destroying government is a communist ideology.
+They just explicitly say they need to use the State to get to communism first but, then, as soon as communism happens, the State will cease to exist.
+So they stupidly believe.
+--- 21951284
+>>21950532
+No u
+--- 21951471
+>>21949579 (OP)
+About 12 years ago
+--- 21951486
+Atlas Shrugged is a book about a wealthy heiress who is better at everything than everybody. She meets a man who creates a magic metal and together they search for man who built a magical friction-less motor. Standing in their way are parodies of socialist thought and the rest of the stupid unwashed masses. Eventually they find the motor man living in a hidden valley that can only be seen by smart people. In the valley, all of the smart live in a utopia where they've cured numerous medical maladies and refuse to share this with humanity. Also the residents believe society will collapse without their greatness, but just to be sure they've cut-off vital supply lines to the greater public. Eventually magic motor man is captured by evil stupid people at which point he launches into a 100 page tirade laying out in autistic detail his personal philosophy, destroying any subtlety encountered thus far. Super heiress and metal man, along with Beast and Jubilee, take the blackbird to rescue motor man just as he's being electrocuted by stupid people. After they successfully extract him using the powers of objectivism, a magical sound weapon built by stupid people explodes and the country is reduced to covered wagons within hours.
+--- 21951509
+>>21951486
+She's right about socialists and the masses; they don't deserve anything.
+They are, after all, Hegel's 'Knechtschaft'.
+--- 21951516
+>>21949579 (OP)
+Millions of years of evolution culminated in the zenith of human achievement with the formulation of the Randian tautology:
+A=A
+--- 21951521
+>>21949651
+He could be a villain 
+>muh effective altruism
+--- 21951935
+>>21949579 (OP)
+When did you gain some reading comprehension? The book never says that. It says that to people who it offends for asking them not to be lazy parasites on their communities. 
+
+>>21949615
+>I CANT READ 
+>MOMMY MAKE COMMUNISM HAPPEN! 
+>BLM!
+--- 21951962
+>>21949579 (OP)
+>caring for your community
+Yeah but is it voluntary? That's the part you guys seem to not address. Because if it's not voluntary then the people who decide what exactly "caring for your community" means suddenly have a whole lot of power to make you do whatever they want
+--- 21952093
+>>21951486
+Nice.
+--- 21952174
+>>21949579 (OP)
+How's the fountainhead in comparison?
+--- 21952201
+>>21950026
+>private property and contract law
+>zero government
+pick one
+--- 21952215
+>>21949579 (OP)
+I'll never read this yankee doorstopper but not supporting a diseased system is the only way to cure it
+--- 21952462
+>>21951235
+that what they claim, but every time it was attempted it resulted in totalitarian states
+every single time
+abusing the state is communism in reality
+--- 21952517
+>>21950916
+>Name calling
+>Strawmen
+>Complaining about semantics
+
+Wow, such a solid and unique critique of the ideas put fourth by objectivist and Atlas Shrugged. I am totally convinced by your argumentation and thus will become a freedom hating collectivist of some sort. Probably some flavor of socialist.
+--- 21952558
+>>21952462
+state can be abolished only globally
+>arguing without knowing basics
+--- 21952676
+>>21952517
+>Name calling
+Go tell your mommy you thick skinned rugged individualist, kek.
+>Strawmen
+Nope.
+>Complaining about semantics
+I outlined how Randianism uses loaded terms in order to monopolize semantics and frame the conversation in its favor. Randtards won't acknowledge criticism and will attempt to assert their overly simplistic worldview instead of engaging complexity. 
+
+Everything I said is true and if you can prove it wrong feel free to try. The problem you're having is that I pointed out how Randtards debate and you won't be able to retreat to the regurgitation you confuse with thinking in this conversation. Cope.
+--- 21952695
+>>21952558
+How does that make any sense. "Uh yeah this thing blatantly doesnt work but if we do it everywhere then it will work" ???
+--- 21952787
+>>21949598
+>>21949582
+>implying the leeches and parasites aren't the rich people
+--- 21952798
+>>21949579 (OP)
+My favorite thing about this book is that the rich asshole protagonists fight the scourge of collectivism by forming a commune.
+--- 21952815
+>>21951194
+Because he was a lying 15 year old.
+--- 21952870
+>>21952695
+how do you think abolishing government should work?
+>How does that make any sense. "Uh yeah this thing blatantly doesnt work but if we do it everywhere then it will work" ???
+brilliance of self awareness...
+--- 21952895
+>>21952870
+>abolishing government should work?
+It doesnt. It would just be anarchy briefly and then another state would emerge
+--- 21953027
+>>21952895
+If communism ever comes back, I'm joining the Stazi so I can torture and execute true believers getting what they deserve.
+--- 21953153
+>>21952815
+Even if that was true, which i doubt. Why would nigger janny delete that post?
+--- 21953156
+>>21952787
+>Providing you with housing,water and electricity is leeching
+>NOOOOO! LET ME LIVE ON YOUR PROPERTY FOR FREE!!!
+Get a job nigger.
+--- 21953654
+I've never seen a successfull randist. No, 2000 karma on r/atheism isn't success
+--- 21953770
+>>21953654
+There is literally a single type of successful randians - nouveau riche dipshits who lucked out into their petty wealth and then need to retroactively invent a belief why they deserve it. All serious people are some sort of weird combination of technocrats and ecofascists, or even marxists who turn the table and say "capital is good, actually".

lit/21949606.txt

@@ -54,3 +54,330 @@ this tells more about you than about the book, sympathizing with H.H. is peak mi
 So based. Similarly I had a mental breakdown when talking to my friend about the Sopranos. The words passed his lips 'I felt bad for...' and I had to screech to stop him from continuing. I crushed the banana I was holding into an indistinguishable pulp. 'N-no', I whispered. 'You feel bad for t-that MURDERER?!' His immoral, satanic voice replied, 'Well, it's an antihero drama, it's supposed to examine your experience of empathy and toy with that idea.' Antichrist drivel.Thankfully, I live in England so I got him arrested for hate speech (Soprano is also racist).
 --- 21949822
 >>21949606 (OP)
+--- 21950165
+>>21949664
+>All this moral fagging with modern sensibilties and talking about tradition and dysgenics and mutant 
+You've got a schizophrenic world view. People used to marry twelve year olds not too long ago, like less than 50 years ago in America it happened in various Southern States, no one thought it was weird. Go back even further and it becomes the norm. Women were traded for sheep and cows. Now, you can make the argument that human beings have always been bad, but that's not what you're doing, you're trying to act like somehow Lolita is something shocking and exceptionally evil and that it could only be created in modernity, when in actually your outrage is the actual product of modernity.
+--- 21950254
+>>21949606 (OP)
+Shut the fuck up libtard
+--- 21950296
+>>21950165
+literally in most of human history humbert would just marry lolita and that would be that
+--- 21950331
+Based, fuck lolita niggers.
+--- 21950334
+>>21950165
+>we must retvrn to natvre... so i can marry children
+Kek you really are the spawn of boomers. What an absolute embarrassment
+--- 21950420
+>>21949796
+>lololol
+>the fact that you notice some humans react as X means YOU AXHSUALLY REACT AS X!!
+>heckin arachnophobe
+>bet you want to fuck spiders!!
+(T anon calling you a “midwit”)
+Fucking WEW lad
+--- 21950433
+>>21950165
+>You've got a schizophrenic world view. People used to marry twelve year olds not too long ago
+Yeah anon and you know what fucking happened to the cultures which allowed that?
+They got outcompeted by evolutionarily superior cultures which disallowed it.
+Just as the cultures who required child sacrifice were outcompeted by cultures which did not.
+That’s why abrahmic monotheism conquered the known world.
+It IS the true religion of the true God as it IS that which adheres to nature’s law (IE the will of God)
+--- 21950455
+>>21949606 (OP)
+Get therapy and maybe you'll get over whichever family member/teacher fucked you.
+--- 21950463
+>>21950455
+god just shut up you fucking faggot maddox reject toid
+--- 21950467
+>>21950463
+It's ok anon, it wasn't your fault.
+Seriously tho, get help, I was thinking you were a pedo in denial.
+--- 21950468
+>>21950433
+Was it not the will of God when he chose the 13 year old Virgin Mary to carry the son of God in her womb?
+--- 21950469
+>>21949606 (OP)
+>sympathize with a predictor
+--- 21950485
+>>21950467
+>if you reject something as immoral it means you have a closeted desire for it
+Coombrain
+--- 21950490
+>>21949606 (OP)
+Why admit to being retarded willingly
+--- 21950504
+>>21950485
+That's generally how morality works, yes. Either enforcing your affections upon the world or forbidding everyone what you forbade yourself.
+However that's obviously not the case with OP(you?)
+--- 21950512
+>>21950504
+>overcoming or at least not identifying with lust is utterly inconceivable to me
+yawn
+--- 21950514
+>>21950512
+>some urges bad, some urges good
+>I am the arbitor
+Also acknowledging things and validating them doesn't mean acting out on them/identifying with them.
+--- 21950516
+>>21950514
+>still hasn't developed the moral intuition to identify the perverse for what it is
+Sad
+--- 21950520
+>>21950516
+>moral
+>intuition
+yawn
+Also if you identify something perverse within yourself, the truest way to ensure it "corrupts" you is to repress it.
+--- 21950523
+>>21950520
+>I acknowledge the deepest, darkest depths of my desire
+>I will now use my art as tool to give it more reality in my mind and the minds of others
+Kek, fucking retard
+--- 21950526
+>>21950523
+>I am so afraid of my own subconscious I need to make sure it never sees the light of day
+One day you might muster the strength to face your shadow, until then have fun with your "moral" crusades
+--- 21950529
+>>21950526
+>I must actualize my demons because they said so
+Kek. Step off the gas with the Jung bro, I still haven't finished the meme trilogy
+--- 21950538
+>>21950529
+Whatever forms in the human mind, forms there for a reason. Without addressing the reason, you'll turn that apparition into a demon yourself.
+Only slightly initiated into Jung so far though.
+--- 21950543
+>>21950538
+>all of the great dualists were just a repressed *-phobes
+You bleed seed oils
+--- 21950544
+>>21950165
+>your outrage is the actual product of modernity
+/thread
+--- 21950559
+>>21950543
+>You bleed seed oils
+kek this is a good one, not even sure what it implies
+Also yes, I already established that was my view of morality in general, or I thought I did. But there should be at least 3 other neetzsche threads for more of this shitposting.
+--- 21950571
+>>21950559
+There's a fine line between acknowledging something dark inside you and identifying with it. Extremely fine. A dualist attitude helps you see it. That's all I'm saying. No hard feelings, have a good day.
+--- 21950575
+>>21950571
+You too anon.
+--- 21950671
+>>21950543
+>seed oils
+
+When did seed oils become the big super bad thing to hate around here? I noticed this cropping up a few weeks ago, and while I'm open to evidence that they, like many processed foods, are capable of impacting otherwise healthy bodies in certain ways, it feels suspicious how sudden and yet overwhelming in nature this is now the newest globalhomo thing to hate, whoever is pushing it.
+--- 21950717
+>>21950165
+>Now, you can make the argument that human beings have always been bad, but that's not what you're doing, you're trying to act like somehow Lolita is something shocking and exceptionally evil and that it could only be created in modernity, when in actually your outrage is the actual product of modernity.
+pretty much
+--- 21950747
+>>21950671
+It's not that complicated, it just means: you eat industrially processed foods so you have an industrially processed mind, because you think a hatred of evil is a sign of trauma (in all cases). Most people who say this shit don't understand how "the passions" disintegrate you, like how some fat people think they're perfectly fine because they feel fine. I call it the Garfield Principle.
+--- 21950889
+>>21950747
+This response is so much worse than what I'd hoped for. All this 'smart sounding' crap about evil and trauma and "the passions", barren of "here's the evidence that such and such processing might lead to these undesirable things happening to your body". If you have something meaningful to say that doesn't come off as deflection, then spit it out.
+--- 21950933
+>>21950889
+>evidence
+retard
+--- 21950939
+>>21950889
+>evidence
+>thinks I'm strictly talking about the body
+retard
+--- 21951244
+>>21950933
+>>21950939
+Ok, let me put t this way, the analogy only works if there IS something wrong with consuming the oils and the reader is aware of this, otherwise they'd only get what you're saying based on board culture hearsay, which wasn't the case for >>21950559
+That's the problem
+--- 21951374
+>>21949628
+Yes, in Europe age of consent was 10 for most of history (or there was no such law at all), only 18-19 century it started to change and increase. It was normal for brothels to have young girls working there and often the very poor themselves would sell their kids to brothels or just wealthy men directly
+--- 21951400
+>>21949628
+>we're pedos
+paging Dr. Freud.....
+--- 21951415
+>>21949628
+>>21949638
+>>21949664
+>>21950165
+Oh yea opium and tobacco was also legal for most of human history that must mean it is ok right and it's just the (boogeyman) feminists fault
+--- 21951529
+why would you do that?
+come on the internet and pretend to be retarded?
+--- 21951552
+>>21951415
+boogeyman ? You have no idea what you're talking about lmao fucking retard
+--- 21951656
+>>21949606 (OP)
+Nabokov didn't trick me into sympathizing with him, I let myself be carried away by the story. I'm a reader, not a judging god, I don't fight nor question narrators.
+--- 21951667
+>>21949606 (OP)
+Imagine missing the point of a book so dramatically.
+--- 21951683
+>>21949628
+> we are 
+You consider yourself a pedo? Learn English faggot.
+--- 21951687
+Seriously op, what's your IQ?
+--- 21951750
+>>21949628
+Unless they were royalty they'd be more than likely hung on a noose by a drove of angry villagers
+>>21950165
+Just before WWII pedophiles were grouped among rapists and chemically castrated in half of Western countries including Southern US. If anything modernity has given them leeway by not being killed on the spot.
+--- 21951950
+>>21949664
+lol
+>Jones responded early to the allegations against him in a letter to Nikita Ivanovich Ryleyev, the Chiefof Police in St. Petersburg, on April 2,
+1789. In this letter, Jones admitted that he did indeed have sex with Katerina Stepanova, though he calls her “A fallen girl who visited my home several times, and with whom I often frolicked, but
+for which I have always paid her cash.”39 He argued that he “Did not despoil her of her virginity” and that she wasmuch older than ten years of age, as the magistrate claimed.40 He offered his chivalrous nature and sense of honor as safe-guards of his defense. He claimed to be incapable of doing harm “To this girl, or to any person of her sex.” He further claimed a long affair with the girl, in
+which “She submitted most willingly to do everything that a man could desire of her.”4
+--- 21952008
+>>21951750
+You're actually delusional if you think all throughout human history men who were attracted to twelve year old girls were immediately executed by the masses. There is a very small window of time where this was the case, and you're currently living through part of it. If this is personal for you because you were molested, I'm sorry about that, but you aren't intelligent and your conception of history is massively skewed.
+--- 21952016
+>>21950671
+E-celebs being paid by the meat and dairy industry on Twitter told these retards that seed oils are evil. Every meme and trend you see on /lit/ comes directly from Twitter. This board is entirely reactive, probably the least influential board on all of 4chan.
+--- 21952208
+>>21952008
+>unprompted mention of molestation
+Ah, if you need to seek a psychiatrist for traumatic actions inflicted on you by a family member then I recommend you do so to help you move to a better life. 
+Any how, it is not delusion in any manner to say that cradle snatcher and child predators weren't killed at many points in time as we've seen with the Werewolf Trials of what is now Switzerland in which they were lumped with cannibals and practitioners of black magic. Of course there are times where it was deemed acceptable but this ranged entirely by nation and culture in which plays into how you mentioned brothels earlier. In a Christian nation around say Medieval Europe- a pimp, if caught, would most certainly face the danger of death as the idea of someone selling and taking the virginity of numerous girls would be seen as dire as notion of adultery.
+The dubbed "modernity" is merely a retread of ideas that are far from exclusive to our modern time period and shows that you have skewed view on the intelligence and philosophy of our ancestors to meet your own less than savory needs.
+--- 21952223
+>>21952208
+>now he's conflating pimp with pedophile
+You're an extremely dishonest poster. Have you ever seen that Clint Eastwood movie where he says, "Old enough for kisses" and then kisses the little girl, today we would call that pedophilia, but back in the day, podophile referred to literal baby rapists, like people attracted to babies, not girls going through puberty, but actual children.
+--- 21952238
+>>21952208
+What age are you talking about though, that's the thing. 5=/=12=/=15. They each represent a different sort of predation
+--- 21952249
+>>21952238
+He's talking about any girl 16 and down. He's simply not intelligent.
+--- 21952543
+>>21949606 (OP)
+>100,000 years of “higher” sentient life
+>5000 years of agriculture
+>200 years of “””enlightened””” secular democracy
+>And what the fuck does it result in??
+You know exactly what it resulted in.
+--- 21952585
+>>21950671
+It's the latest Jew being pandered to them. The terminally online have to have everything reduced to bite-sized chunks in order to fool themselves they both rediscovered the wheel and found the easy way out. They make a caricature out of every true bit of information they get their hands on and turn in into a meme that gets passed around. You can't make up greater useful idiots even if you tried to.
+
+It's useless to have them think every farmstead used to have crops, a part of which got turned into oil and maybe the problem at large is more complex and encompasses the quantities, lifestyle habits and choices. No, just live the same life you did, just don't eat anything that has seed oils and stuff your face with lard instead to own the libs. Then get excited for the next revolutionary break-through.
+--- 21952619
+>>21952585
+>if you don't consume seed oil that means you stuff your face with lard
+They're just trash anon. I eat a sensible diet of mostly unprocessed animal and plant products and avoid seed oils 
+
+Why would this anger you? How does this make any sense to you
+--- 21952669
+>get bored and decide to write one of the funniest dark comedy novels of all time
+>70 years later Americans still seethe instead of enjoying the whimsy and humour
+Based Nabokov.
+--- 21952698
+>>21952619
+>animal products
+Kill yourself, you flesh eating carnist filth.
+--- 21952708
+>>21952619
+>consume seed oil
+It's not like normies chug a glass of it each morning, is it? You're getting it from fast food and processed foods in general, which everybody knows are a no-no and should avoid. You just go with the "seed oil" meme because it's a new special identity you can cling to. Same with the weird supplements, you've literally acquired female psychoses, which in turn make you look gay. It's no longer enough to say you have a balanced diet, it must be specifically against the current something to be part of it.
+
+The funniest bit of it all is seeing all these retards virtue signal it and ask for oil replacements in food recipes (that only called for like a spoonful anyway) and even turn down salads because, once again, it's that spoonful that makes you a loser.
+--- 21952709
+>>21952698
+See that's why lol. It has nothing to do with any of the stuff you said in your first post
+--- 21952722
+>>21952708
+>its a special new identity 
+Do you have literally any evidence for this? The only change it made for me is that I stopped eating mayonnaise and margarine, and I had noticed before this became a well known thing that those items seemed to make my heart hurt a bit, so it just confirmed it for me. 
+
+You don't need seed oils to cook anything dude. You can use butter, olive oil, animal fat etc. 
+
+>weird supplements
+I take no supplements other than occasionally vitamin d in the winter time or if I'm sick
+--- 21952765
+>>21952722
+>Do you have literally any evidence for this?
+He asks, as if he's not already fully aware where his newly acquired meme came from and how that part of Twitter, those "people", are like.
+
+>You don't need seed oils to cook anything dude.
+>that doesn't mean you stuff your face with lard
+People not only used whatever they grew on the farmstead but also fasted religiously. Trad larpers usually forget this. It must be really sensible to cut out the vegetable oils just to replace them with animal fats, and certainly not a vegan-tier meme but where you just switch sides.
+
+>those items seemed to make my heart hurt a bit
+I'm sure it's like in the movies and you could feel that clump of mayo traveling towards your heart after you eat it. It was the seed oils, for sure, had you made homemade mayo with olive oil, it would've actually been healthy.
+
+>I take no supplements
+Odd, I usually only see women and browns who play the "how come this exception doesn't disprove the general rule"?
+--- 21952773
+>>21952765
+Most of the guys on rw bodybuilding Twitter simply assimilated the fact into their nutrition theory, same way there is now a consensus there about eggs being good for you. And yes I could genuinely feel a weird little pain in my heart sometimes from eating too much mayonaise if I had like 2 sandwiches in a row. Doesnt happen if I just use butter and dijon, which is what I do now
+--- 21952776
+>>21949814
+ALMOST perfect bait post, it just got a little too much at the end, fren
+--- 21952835
+>>21952208
+what the hell are you even talking about, prostitution existed and was widely accepted in medieval europe, girls (not sure about pederasty) who were orphans/homeless were often picked up by orphanages/theatres etc which basically brothels, I don't think it was legal but authorities didn't care until around 1800s.
+--- 21952854
+>>21952773
+>simply assimilated the fact into their nutrition theory
+Weird way of saying mindless cultists adopting whatever the hive decides it's the thing now. Do they still worship Peat or have they moved on to the next one? Imagine taking the common sense of Peat and slapping some new age rightoid mumbo-jumbo on top, like tanning your balls or reciting some ancient Aryan mantra while breathing funny, they'd go nuts for it. Or even just actual labor with a purpose instead of being some jacked hunk (debatable) to punch the keyboard harder.
+
+>same way there is now a consensus there about eggs being good for you
+Ah, yes, the revolutionary, ground breaking discovery of "your chickens give you eggs = you eat those eggs". Totally not reinventing the wheel. Still, that's sort of too normie, though, there has to be some way to give it a new twist. Maybe eating them raw, heh?
+
+>Doesnt happen if I just use butter and dijon, which is what I do now
+Seed-oil free Dijon, I hope. Can't deny it'd be a good marketing shtick, you could totally raise the price up by 20%. That's good but it could also just be a placebo, you know? Whatever works.
+--- 21952899
+>>21949814
+lmao
+--- 21952911
+>>21952835
+>not sure about pederasty
+lol
+lmao even
+--- 21952914
+>>21949606 (OP)
+If anyone sympathises with HH, they're the problem Nabokov is talking about in the book. 
+
+You...did read it right? 
+
+>>21950165
+>Now, you can make the argument that human beings have always been bad, but that's not what you're doing, you're trying to act like somehow Lolita is something shocking and exceptionally evil and that it could only be created in modernity, when in actually your outrage is the actual product of modernity.
+
+Literally this.
+--- 21952915
+>>21949628
+What do you think?
+--- 21952919
+>>21952854
+You're being tremendously autistic. It's just people who dont trust the FDA so they're collating an alternative view of nutrition, aided along by trial and error for what works better in bodybuilding. If a handful of retards make it into a brand that doesnt somehow delegitimize it.
+
+>raw eggs
+The argument here is about cholesterol being destroyed by cooking and useful for synthesizing testosterone. But you can just soft boil or fry the eggs and get the same thing, so long as the yolk is soft. Eggs also have a lot or micronutrients, some essential fats, and easily digested protein, so obviously they're seen as a great food now that people no longer believe the stuff about saturated fats and heart disease or dietary cholesterol causing bodily cholesterol to rise.
+--- 21953099
+>>21949606 (OP)
+it's just a book bro, it's not reat
+--- 21953164
+>>21952919
+>they're seen as a great food now that the Egg Board of America has put billions of dollars into propaganda campaigns
+Lmao.
+--- 21953173
+>>21953164
+Proofs? I personally do notice good muscle recovery following a workout from eggs, but I only eat 3-8 a day. People who have like 12+ are overdoing it imo. I think the limiting factor is the micronutrients, fat, and maybe cholesterol being fulfilled for the day. I prefer to get most of my protein from chicken, pork, beef, or fish. 
+
+Then again the original egg intensive diet was from Gironda, who I'm quite sure was roiding, so maybe if you're taking steroids then there is benefits to more eggs because you need more cholesterol, it's possible. But most bodybuilders just eat chicken breast and such so I dont think eggs are really some wonder food. Still a top tier food however.
+--- 21953211
+>>21949606 (OP)
+One of the best bait threads ive seen

lit/21949722.txt

@@ -11,3 +11,93 @@ pic rel is the book of Jan Cremer. It's about his time on Ibiza in the 60s. I th
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6G7xDdj5EK8 [Embed]
 
 Ik bak ze bruiner
+--- 21950936
+bump
+--- 21951403
+>>21949722 (OP)
+my top 5 is:
+a. roland holst - de afspraak
+cees nooteboom - rituelen
+nescio - de uitvreter
+jacques perk - gedichten
+albert verwey - de goddelijke komedie
+--- 21951424
+>>21949733
+De Avonden has already been translated into English and published as The Evenings.
+--- 21951436
+>>21951424
+It has even prompted some local reviews
+--- 21951621
+>103 AP
+>still no holy shrine for Our Prophet
+>mgw
+--- 21951635
+>>21951403
+>albert verwey - de goddelijke komedie
+elaborate
+--- 21951672
+>>21951635
+a translation of the divine comedy by a dutch poet. albert verwey translated a lot of poetry and wrote a lot of original material as well. all worth reading.
+
+you can read some here:
+https://www.dbnl.org/auteurs/auteur.php?id=verw008
+--- 21951729
+>>21951436
+Top kek. The Evenings does read like a childrens book version of The Journey to the End of the Night by Celine
+--- 21951759
+de kapellekensbaan
+--- 21951813
+Cremer should not be near any top 3. Eventhough I dislike Mulisch, he is better than Cremer. Some names that have yet to be mentioned in this thread:
+>Brouwers
+>Kellendonk
+>Arends
+>Marugg
+
+Poetry:
+>Slauerhoff
+>Marsman
+>Gorter
+
+>>21949733
+A decent list although some should be omitted/replaced by better writers.
+--- 21951851
+>>21951621
+how to translate
+koolraap en lof, schorseneren en prei
+turnip and leek, schorseneren and leek
+--- 21952623
+>>21949722 (OP)
+
+
+I'm not sure if Mystiek Lichaam by Frans Kellendonk was ever translated. Easily top 3 for me. 
+https://nl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mystiek_lichaam
+
+Also, Nescio's travel diary (Natuurdagboek) is the most comfy shit out there. 
+
+https://libris.nl/boek?authortitle=nescio/natuurdagboek--9789038803838
+--- 21952658
+>>21952623
+I forgot: 
+
+Maurice Gilliams - Elias of het gevecht met de nachtegalen
+--- 21952789
+niggas be like
+>have you read Deikjisptso Jiikolper bo Ostfreedbnoo
+
+at least it's not cyrilic, i guess
+--- 21953033
+>>21951759
+>uit de zoute zee komt zoete vis
+>en uit een zoet meisje zoute pis
+Great book
+--- 21953348
+>>21949722 (OP)
+I want to have sex with Reve
+--- 21953392
+Lucifer - Joost van den Vondel
+--- 21953496
+Bit off topic, but this one is pretty underrated NMM
+--- 21953763
+>>21953496
+>joost-christelijke
+lol

lit/21949743.txt

@@ -8,3 +8,23 @@ Thanks anon I’ll check it out. I wish more anons knew about Restif. He was a c
 The Ancient Greek poet Theognis is under-rated here. Extreme, curmudgeonly, rancorous rants about the evils of democracy and progress and the masses, combined with poems about being in love with pretty boys and seething when he gets rejected by them. A man of extreme and petty emotions who is nonetheless very charming and likeable precisely because of the intensity of his feelings, and the skill and beauty with which he communicates them. Like a character in Dostoevsky, or Bloy
 --- 21949898
 I will never stop shilling this book. It's amazing.
+--- 21951087
+Adolphe, Werther, René, Obermann, the list goes on
+--- 21951096
+>>21951087
+Me,
+--- 21951161
+Alexis Zorbas and Christ Recrucified. Both masterpieces that deal with themes /lit/ usually talks over and over about in other novels. But I'm too lazy to shill them.
+--- 21951171
+>>21951161
+Schlock.
+--- 21951203
+>>21951087
+>René
+Will you tell me the whole title? I'm always glad to check out books I'm unfamiliar with when recommended here, but I'm not sure what it is.
+--- 21951554
+>>21951203
+>Will you tell me the whole title?
+That's literally the whole title. Author is Chateaubriand
+--- 21953074
+I've been really impressed with this book...

lit/21949907.txt

@@ -3,3 +3,150 @@
 Anti Social Conditioning media list - not all the recommendations on here are books.
 
 I quickly put it together, post your recommendations and why.
+--- 21950401
+wtf this is literally the opposite of anti social conditioning
+this is mega social conditioning
+aspiring for wealth, female attention and above all this narcisstic, synthetic, pragmatic, non-real idea of 'individuation' are all parts of the psychosocial zeitgeist as a result of our society today
+youre trying to 'break out' exactly along the lines that the system laid out for you
+behind your polymer 3d glasses you ingest the blue pill wrongfully thinking its the red
+or this might be bait lol whatver
+--- 21950639
+>>21949907 (OP)
+Both James Ellis books are based af.
+Entrepreneurial shit looks mid. I would suggest some of John Micheal Greer's work like "dark age america" or "collapse now and avoid the rush." Ellis likes to quote him a bit.
+--- 21950675
+>>21949907 (OP)
+This is like the gayer, more flamboyant, more “edgy” version of oversocialized basedboys
+--- 21950792
+>>21950639
+>and why
+
+Exit from modernity is an ongoing process that evolves thru life and depends on why and what you want to exit from (eg it's better to exit from carrerism or materialism than running water) Ellis gives a good framework that can be expanded on by JMG's work. Greer writes about a lot, but his work on collapse and how to live with LESS (less energy, stuff, stimulation) points in some good directions on how to live a simpler, more fufilling life. Very applicable if you are a fan of the concept of the power process Kaczynski talks about (which is ripped from someone else i know.)
+--- 21950979
+I just want to learn how to make enough money to be able to spend most of my waking hours in leisure, or at least on projects that I actually care about. I also want to be able to travel a bit, as where I live is pretty dreary and rainy most of the year. Any book recommendations for me?
+--- 21951004
+Oblomov
+--- 21951008
+>>21950979
+The education of Emile
+--- 21951011
+>>21949907 (OP)
+Everything listed looks like slop normies consume since they're all retarded. Looks like social conditioning to me
+--- 21951013
+>>21950979
+go to school. Look for a job
+--- 21951023
+>>21951013
+> get in debt so you have to work
+> become reliant to corporations until it's too late because you are in massive debt
+--- 21951042
+>>21951023
+>wants formalized answers to everything in the form of books so he doesn't have to take risks or figure shit out for himself
+>hurrr but college (where they literally validate you for an economic position if you're not a total retard) is a scam
+Pick one moron.
+--- 21951076
+>>21951042
+Yes and yes
+--- 21951330
+>>21951008
+QRD?
+--- 21951649
+I improved the list a bit added some stuff, I hope for heavy criticism.
+I'll post updates from time to time. I need to add more text explaining each piece of content
+
+>>21950401
+You're right to some extent.
+But I still have these desires - wealth and women are part of them. I am not entirely sure where these desires orignate from, society or my DNA but I still have them and I won't deny them, I am not some "above-everything" person. Of course I am not talking for everybody.
+
+>youre trying to 'break out' exactly along the lines that the system laid out for you
+
+I believe everybody craves validation and wealth - be it in the current society or anytime else but maybe the title "Anti Social Conditioning" is not that fitting. I'll have to think about it.
+
+Maybe you are thinking about the extremes of these desires - multi billion dollar yachts and harems?
+
+>>21950639
+Looks promising, I'll look into it - gives me "live in a cabin like Pentti Linkola" vibes though. This guide is more of a "make the best of the society we currently live in"
+
+>>21950675
+>oversocialized basedboys
+What is that?
+
+>>21951011
+Kinda true for the money books, but you know don't judge a book by it's cov
+--- 21951671
+Here's my list.
+Non-fiction
+The education of Emile
+Philosophy in the Bedroom
+The Inequality of the Human Races 
+Fiction
+Oblomov
+Memoirs of a good-for-nothing
+The Sorrows of young Werther
+--- 21951680
+>>21951671
+But why?
+What did you personally gain from each book and what do you think other people will gain from them, what perspectives etc.?
+--- 21951717
+>Anti Social Conditioning
+Just read any book written prior to ~1950 lol
+--- 21951726
+>>21951680
+The education is good if you want to learn how to home-school someone.
+De Sade is great because it's all about the psychology of evil.
+De Gobineau is the only right-winger - feudalism tier right winger - who wrote about Inequality (all the other right-wingers straight up deny inequality). That makes him the most unbiased sociologist who ever existed.
+The non-fiction books are about people who do what they want with their lives instead of listening to society.
+--- 21951733
+>>21951726
+>De Gobineau is the only right-winger - feudalism tier right winger - who wrote about Inequality (all the other right-wingers straight up deny inequality). That makes him the most unbiased sociologist who ever existed.
+Hmmmm, I'd disagree. But ok I have heard he has some half-decent insights sometimes.
+--- 21951824
+>>21951733
+Other right-wingers that wrote about inequality? Rousseau and Marx wrote about it, but they were radical left-wingers.
+--- 21951845
+>>21950401
+you believe everybody craves validation & wealth
+i agree with validation
+but i vehemently disagree with wealth, this concept has been ingrained into your worldview exactly thanks to our society. wealth does not bring happiness, your craving for wealth will be an unfillable hole that our society exploits at every impasse. maybe you desire freedom that wealth gives you? that is fine. but please be careful of worshipping wealth as an endgoal. you will worship & worship and spend your precious consciousness worshipping a god that is fundamentally unworshippable & forever asking for more. reframe your end goals or fall prey to the exact beast you are trying to conquer.
+--- 21951849
+>>21951845
+meant for this
+>>21951649
+--- 21951922
+>>21951824
+We might be thinking of different things. Thanks.
+--- 21952023
+>>21950639
+>John Micheal Greer
+Man, I looked him up, but he's written so much crap on the occult that I cannot take him seriously.
+--- 21952053
+4 hour work week is bullshit
+Millionaire fastlans is a game 
+Unscripted unnecessary if you have the above
+
+For business framework:
+Millionaire fastline + almanack of naval ravikant + Ready fire aim
+
+For concept of the future:
+Sovereign individual
+The fourth industrial revolution
+
+Now you know where both sides see the world going. Find a business based on first books. 
+
+Read further based on ur needs to execute
+--- 21952168
+>>21952053
+You're the second person to recommend Almanack, why do you prefer it for business framework?
+--- 21952175
+>>21949907 (OP)
+This is a bunch of self help books. 
+Biggest market for self help is among american young men and middle-aged chinese women.
+--- 21952282
+>>21949907 (OP)
+Being antisocial was easy. I just live in my parents' basement. No books necessary.
+--- 21953618
+>>21950675
+how do you even check that you're the right level of socialized
+--- 21953621
+>>21951042
+what's the point of so many people living and writing before me if i can't even get some precise guidelines for my exact situation which shouldn't even be that unique

lit/21949935.txt

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+-----
+--- 21949935
+masterpiece or hipster meme?
+--- 21950846
+I don’t think any of us have read it yet. We’ll know in another year or so
+--- 21950867
+>>21949935 (OP)
+Considering it’s untranslated, you have never read it, and you only discovered it from the blog of a charlatan, then possibly the latter.
+--- 21950878
+>>21950867
+>you only discovered it from the blog of a charlatan
+kek you got me but why is he a charlatan?
+--- 21950921
+>>21950867
+>>21950878
+What blog
+--- 21950930
+>>21950921
+https://theuntranslated.wordpress.com/2019/02/01/schattenfroh-by-michael-lentz/
+--- 21950935
+>reviewer in SZ says it's shit
+>reviewer in FAZ loves it
+>reviewer in Zeit was filtered and admits to giving up
+Sounds like a great book to pretend to have read.
+--- 21950962
+>>21950930
+>The main premise of the book is outlandish and unsettling. The narrator, called Nobody (Niemand), is held captive in a dark room in complete isolation from the rest of the world. He is wearing a face mask equipped with the technology that harnesses his thought processes, the product of which he calls “brainwater script” (Gehirnwasserschrift). The writing of the book Schattenfroh, apparently the one we are reading, takes place in the captive’s mind, but the advanced technology is capable to transfer the text into a more tangible form; whether it is a digital book or an old-fashioned printed manuscript is not specified. The mystical creature called Schattenfroh is Nobody’s evil jailor. (It’s worth noting that Schatten is the German for “shadow”, and froh means “glad”) He has lured the protagonist into the dark room by a certain game of numbers, which involved the city map and the number 666, and now his victim is trapped inside the middle 6, forced to write the book for Schattenfroh whose total control over Nobody makes him a co-author of the book, if not more. Schattenfroh represents a mysterious organisation called the Frightbearing Society (Die Furchtbringende Gesellschaft), which is an allusion to the 17th century Fruitbearing Society (Die Fruchtbringende Gesellschaft – note that Furcht is an anagram of Frucht) whose goal was to standardise and promote vernacular German. The book Schattenfroh is envisioned as the foundational text of the secret group on whose behalf Nobody’s detainer is acting.
+Sounds like schizokino. Translation when?
+--- 21950967
+>>21949935 (OP)
+I have the e-book. I am going to use AI to translate it.
+--- 21950993
+>>21950962
+Sounds completely looney but I’m intrigued. After Solenoid’s popularity in translation, are massive schizokino tomes the new thing?
+--- 21950997
+>>21950993
+Retard.
+--- 21951010
+>>21950993
+>After Solenoid’s popularity in translation, are massive schizokino tomes the new thing?
+Probably. That blogger is a bit of a tastemaker for indie publishers. I can see more schizokino along the way and I'm all for it.
+--- 21951239
+>>21950997
+What’s retarded about what I said?
+--- 21951506
+>>21950993
+I read Solenoid last year. While it wasn't a grand masterpiece, I thoroughly enjoyed it. Like reading a diary of someone I share a lot with.
+
+This >>21949935 (OP) seems like a whole different level of shizo. If only I weren't such a slow reader I'd pick it up right away.
+--- 21951659
+>>21951506
+I agree. Solenoid was fun but wasn’t life changing or anything. Do you read German? Schattenfroh is still not translated to English
+--- 21951662
+>>21951659
+>wasn’t life changing or anything
+what book is?
+--- 21951778
+>>21950962
+lol. This is also the guy who did the hollow earth novel?
+--- 21952740
+I know German well enough to read this now. If it's good then I'll devote my life to translating it
+--- 21952745
+>>21952740
+I will make a better translation with chatgpt before you even finish reading the book
+--- 21952826
+>>21952745
+AI will never translate novels in a satisfactory way. Mark my words. You have to actually know the language and understand the authors intentions.
+--- 21952834
+>>21952826
+>understand author’s intentions 
+Topkek get a load of this retard
+--- 21952841
+>>21952834
+more than an AI at least. If you know two languages why don't you take a passage from some book and translate it and then see if the translation reads right or if it's retarded gookscript
+--- 21952901
+>>21950962
+>Niemand
+Don't tell /x/ lol
+--- 21953003
+>>21952901
+lol why? the nobody meme?
+--- 21953406
+>Niemand
+>Nobody
+So, Ulysses?
+--- 21953417
+>>21951662
+--- 21953423
+>>21950930
+This retard is the most apparent shill among book reviewers online. This reads like he took actual money from the author himself to write this review. Untranslated as a whole is a massive shill campaign for snobby authors who like to pretend that they have talent.
+--- 21953432
+>>21953417
+I'd rather read my fantasy novels.
+--- 21953456
+>>21953417
+what's it about?
+--- 21953461
+>>21953423
+>Untranslated as a whole is a massive shill campaign for snobby authors who like to pretend that they have talent.
+Many of the authors are dead, anon, and some were already translated to languages other than English. These aren't some self-published frauds.
+--- 21953577
+>>21953456
+Title says it.
+--- 21953579
+>>21953461
+>dead authors
+Estate. Literary rep is also worth shilling for.
+--- 21953582
+>>21953577
+zzz
+--- 21953589
+>>21953579
+shilling in a blog with so low an audience? come on. why is everything some conspiracy to you, fags?
+--- 21953609
+>>21951778
+Clemens Setz?
+--- 21953623
+>>21950962
+that sounds schizokino alright
+i'm buying it, luckily i'm german
+--- 21953638
+>>21950930
+>>21953423
+>>21953461
+Are there any other blogs about obscure / schizokino books and literature like that?
+--- 21953659
+wew lads

lit/21950080.txt

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+-----
+--- 21950080
+Are there any adult-oriented book series similar to Percy Jackson? I don't know if I'm just a manchild or what but books used to be so much more fun back in 2nd through 10th grade. I just want to get into a series like i used to.
+--- 21950103
+>>21950080 (OP)
+>I don't know if I'm just a manchild or what but books used to be so much more fun back in 2nd through 10th grade
+that was a function of the child-brain itself, not the books. we can never go back.
+--- 21950111
+>>21950080 (OP)
+The Greeks
+--- 21950125
+>>21950080 (OP)
+Start with Mythology by Edith Hamilton then read The Iliad (I like the Pope translation but there are plenty to choose from).
+--- 21950136
+>>21950080 (OP)
+Not bragging but in 10th grade I was reading Kafka and Shakespeare
+--- 21950141
+>>21950080 (OP)
+The source material for Percy Jackson probably. Read Greek myth. Ovids "Metamorphoses", Homeric Hymns, Greek plays etc.
+--- 21950143
+>>21950136
+kek
+--- 21950151
+>>21950141
+>>21950125
+I've read the Greek Myths by Robert Graves. Is Mythology similar to that? I've also read the Iliad and just started the Odyssesy. 
+>>21950136
+Non taken. Honestly I'm not really looking for specifically Greek themed books. But I want a series with a protagonist who fights one over arching enemy. The only reason I posted Percy Jackson is because it isn't as annoying as Harry Potter.
+--- 21950153
+>>21950111
+>>21950125
+>>21950141
+you people are fucking terrible at this
+>how do I find books that make me feel like I did when I was kid
+>durrr start with the greeks
+--- 21950159
+Wild Cards was good in terms of an adult series with good guys vs bad guys, factions, people getting more powerful.
+--- 21950163
+>>21950153
+A lot of them had encounters with eagle feathers as kids. Can't blame them. 
+
+Read: Aquarius
+--- 21950250
+>>21950151
+If you can get into the Iliad and the Odyssey (which are greek myth btw) you can get into the Homeric Hymns, the Metamorphoses and probably greek drama too (though some people don't like the dialogue driven nature of stories in the form of plays). Honestly they are very similar to the things you have already read but without the lame inventory taking and drawn out explanations of outdated hospitality rituals.
+--- 21950257
+>>21950153
+I loved Greek myth when I was a kid, its what made me want to read OP's pic related in the first place. Im not going to apologize for implying that the source material for an example given is worth pursuing.
+--- 21950298
+>>21950153
+>>>how do I find books that make me feel like I did when I was kid
+>>durrr start with the greeks
+You are developmentally retarded. It's not because it's the le Greeks it's because it's 'serious' literature that coincides with OP's interests. Take your weird inferiority complex elsewhere.
+--- 21950771
+>>21950080 (OP)
+PJ was a ripoff of Gaiman's American Gods, which shares a mechanic of pagan divinity as belief fueled with Terry Pratchett's Small God's, both of which are grounded in some of the conceptual underpinnings of Gaiman's Sandman. So read those. Don't read anything Neil wrote after 9/11 though, he went wildly onions.
+--- 21951325
+>>21950153
+>>what is the adult equivalent of this children's book series concerning Greek mythology
+>>Greek mythology
+>DURR CRINGE LE GREEKS MEME
+--- 21951354
+Vampires assistant by Darren shan
+--- 21951379
+>>21950153
+normally I would agree but percy jackson is literally about greek mythology
+--- 21951384
+Joe Abercrombie writes really fun books if that's what you mean
+--- 21951573
+>>21950153
+The Iliad and Odyssey have gods and semigods fighting around. It's literally what you are asking, Percy Jackson but with a adult tone. Read the prose version.
+--- 21951595
+>>21950080 (OP)
+Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser
+Conan the Barbarian
+Elric of Melniboné
+--- 21951836
+>>21950080 (OP)
+I rec Flashman. Its very different from Percy Jackson, but its the only adult series I've found that has that same thrilling addictive effect where I want to read the whole book in one sitting. Also if think about it its a comedic adventure series based on history (actually very accurate and well done history), so in a way it actually shares a great deal with PJ.
+
+Alternatively one of the appeals of Percy Jackson, though I wasn't able to express it as a kid, to me was its celebration of youth combined with a pagan mythos in a modern context. To me American Gods is a waste of time because it lacks the prior. One book that does have both of these though is Bronze Age Mindset which gives a similar sort of comfy feel.
+
+Another option, if you're just looking for the feeling and you don't really care where you get it from, is Japanese manga or anime. There's tons of manga and anime out there that feel very similar to Percy Jackson some stuff I'd reccomend
+>Danmachi
+>Full Metal Panic
+>Chainsawman
+>Tate no Yuusha
+>Btooom
+--- 21951841
+>>21951836
+As well of course there is the Greeks.
+--- 21951964
+thank you boys. I'll start looking for some of these.
+--- 21952618
+>>21951836
+American Gods is as soulless as they come. Just a misery simulator. 
+But i will say OP is better off reading Shonen Jump comics.
+--- 21952631
+>>21950080 (OP)
+Not the same theme exactly, but Discworld is "fun, light fantasy". I recommend Small Gods.
+--- 21952659
+>>21950080 (OP)
+>Are there any adult-oriented book series similar to Percy Jackson?
+Bro just stop with genre fiction and actually start with books people don't consider children-books.
+Go read The Red Pyramid by Rick Riordan if you still want those children books tho.
+--- 21953355
+>>21950080 (OP)
+I highly recommend you the "Masters of Rome" series of historical novels by Coleen McCullough. It's a series of seven or eight books typically 600-800 pages each that consists of a narrative retelling of the history of the Roman Republic from the time of Marius and Sulla to the early reign of Augustine. The books include deep historical indices that allow you to place yourself in the setting and enjoy the narrative while contextualizing it something like the way the historical figures themselves might have. It's a novel series at the end of the day, but it's informative without being dull.

lit/21950172.txt

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+-----
+--- 21950172
+The purpose of this server is to discuss and share information about philosophy and religion, with a particular focus on Hermeticism and Neoplatonism. 
+
+https://discord.gg/mcwnV68q
+--- 21950187
+>>21950172 (OP)
+Hope this isn't the Muslim groomer discord in a new guise.
+--- 21950426
+bump
+--- 21950501
+>>21950187
+>some mudslimes tries to convert other morons
+>zoomer shithead reeds
+>some christcuck tries to convert other morons
+>zoomer shithead is fine with that
+--- 21951914
+>>21950172 (OP)
+A based bump
+--- 21953002
+>>21950187
+>Muslim groomer
+If only you knew this is actually a homosexual grooming server
+--- 21953123
+>>21953002
+Surely there is no pederasty in based Islam

lit/21950245.txt

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+-----
+--- 21950245
+Someone got a good chart for Irish lit? General recommendations? Poetry, novels, history, it's all good. 
+
+I'll be reading Finnegan's Wake soon as well if you've got any tips for that.
+--- 21951245
+Flann O'Brien's "At Swim Two Birds"
+--- 21952125
+>hear about an important Irish writer
+>check his Wikipedia article
+>"He was born into a Protestant, Anglo-Irish family."
+--- 21952656
+Bump
+--- 21953321
+Bump
+--- 21953388
+>>21952125
+And? Are you that same Scottish fella that´s obsessed with mentioning this on every single board? You´ve been BTFO´d multiple times. I´m not even Irish (I´m from Darby) but your obsession with Ireland is REALLY sad
+--- 21953706
+>>21952125
+Asf

lit/21950333.txt

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+-----
+--- 21950333
+"Those far dark places..." Edition
+
+Previous thread: >>21941208 →
+
+>Recommended reading charts (Look here before asking for vague recs)
+https://mega.nz/folder/kj5hWI6J#0cyw0-ZdvZKOJW3fPI6RfQ/folder/guIyhAzS
+
+>Archive
+https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=sffg
+
+>Goodreads
+https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffg
+
+>Thread theme
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EB3IokHelRk [Embed]
+--- 21950340
+Anyone read The Gap Cycle by S. Donaldson?
+--- 21950360
+So is there a market for this kind of stuff? Dark, less focused more difficult (compared to standard fantasy stuff) novels?
+--- 21950361
+>>21950333 (OP)
+What are those things?
+--- 21950363
+>i love my bf!
+>but there's this other guy!
+>who am I? what am I??
+>omg what do I do with my life??????
+>murders 300 soldiers for no reason cause she's angry and confused
+peak woman moment
+--- 21950366
+>>21950361
+Bakkerposters.
+--- 21950370
+>>21950360
+Possibly me, what is complex about these?
+--- 21950373
+>>21950370
+They're grim but also dark at the same time.
+--- 21950376
+>>21950363
+Brando Sando makes millions off the limited attention span of pseuds and retards.
+--- 21950379
+>>21950373
+Nevermind.
+--- 21950380
+>>21950363
+Her impaling that one koloss in particular from the sky was pretty GAR. Or was that papa Venture?
+--- 21950422
+post cover arts from different countries
+here's the japanese versions of Book of the New Sun by Yoshitaka Amano (most known for Final Fantasy illustrations) and Takeshi Obata (Death Note)
+--- 21950439
+What's your favourite Bakker quote?
+Mine is:
+And... We... Love... CUNNY...
+--- 21950443
+>>21950380
+Papa Venture, which desu it was a cool anime kill but it should have been Elend killing his dad instead
+--- 21950446
+>>21950443
+>Elend
+>ever at any point having his balls drop
+If only. What a horrendously shit character.
+--- 21950452
+>>21950446
+He did face an army of koloss with the express purpose of getting himself pwned so the world could be saved though
+--- 21950458
+>>21950446
+>>21950452
+Also I can understand him never growing big balls when he had a psychotic bodyguard gf on 24 hour watch to destroy even mosquitos flying in his airspace
+--- 21950474
+First Locke Lamora book gave me these vibes.
+--- 21950481
+Just finished White Luck Warrior
+Looks like meats back on the menu boys
+--- 21950487
+larry niven, the OG sci-fi coomer
+--- 21950537
+>The Judging Eye
+>is a minor plot device that gets sidelined
+
+>The White Luck Warrior
+>does nothing and dies like a sack of shit
+
+>The Great Ordeal
+>has already been going on before this book anyway
+
+>The Unholy Consult
+>doesn't even really exist anymore when they reach it
+
+What did Bakker mean by this?
+--- 21950540
+is the witcher books just a bunch of short stories?
+started reading the first book last week and it's neat but doesn't seem to be one long story, more all over the place
+--- 21950541
+>>21950422
+Those are amazing. Wtf is going on with western cover designs? We suck by comparison.
+--- 21950546
+>>21950439
+Mine is:
+>After cucking his gay lover, he rubbed the POO from his BUTTHOLE and SMEARED SHIT all over himself SEXUALLY. Then he looked upon them and said, “NOW I AM A GOD.”
+
+Really deep and kino stuff
+--- 21950553
+>>21950540
+Just the first two books. They’re also the best ones; the rest are more about politics and prophecy than monster hunting, and Geralt gets sidelined as the MC for Ciri.
+--- 21950560
+>>21950540
+Once I got to blood of elves I started missing the short story format. Enjoy Last Wish and Sword of Destiny
+--- 21950562
+>>21950553
+roger, i'll see if i feel like reading more when i'm done with book 1
+--- 21950576
+>>21950541
+desu the western covers for BOTNS are pretty fucking good, these ones especially
+but yeah, in general western cover arts fucking suck, at least the new books/printings. especially fuck covers with photoshopped real people in them, absolutely awful
+japanese book covers especially are almost always great, they very often commission these pretty big artists to do illustrations for translated works. at the very least there's NEVER a real person photographed on the cover.
+--- 21950579
+>>21950553
+I can see why Sapkowski was so asshurt by the success of the games. The writing team at CD did a better job at telling stories in the author’s world than he did. Lol
+--- 21950589
+>>21950439
+>>21950546
+This Bakker fellow sounds real nasty. I guess I should avoid his books.
+--- 21950610
+Any anons have any good gaslamp fantasy recs? Bonus points if they have horror elements.
+--- 21950612
+Here's the Japanese covers for the ASOIAF books, fucking love them.
+--- 21950615
+Here are some Japanese volumes for Malazan. I wouldn't say the characters are accurate to how they're described, but I like the artstyle.
+--- 21950634
+>>21950615
+No anime art for Salamander Rake?
+--- 21950650
+>>21950634
+--- 21950669
+>>21950650
+nice
+--- 21950678
+>>21950333 (OP)
+I asked in the last thread and I will ask again. Any books that are similar to Fallout series?
+Pic related inspired Fallout 1.
+--- 21950687
+>>21950541
+you will get poorly photoshopped covers that unpaid interns made, and you will like it.
+--- 21950702
+>>21950678
+Blood's a Rover by Harlan Ellison. There's a movie adaptation called A Boy And His Dog
+--- 21950760
+>>21950422
+Conan Volume 1
+--- 21950764
+>>21950760
+Volume 2
+--- 21950778
+>>21950422
+Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser
+--- 21950789
+>>21950422
+Some Jack Vance books.
+--- 21950897
+>>21950333 (OP)
+A Debt to the Stars - Kevin Hincker (2023)
+
+A Debt to the Stars is a self-published novel that is competently written. However, I believe it could've greatly benefitted from someone reining in the author's excesses and reminding them to focus on their strengths. As for its genre, it's a science fiction comedy thriller. There's aliens, fantastical technology, mysterious happenings, a foulmouthed comedic relief companion, villainous caricatures, blockchain explanations, financial dealings, lip service romance, and much that may be allegorical and/or ideological. Several have compared it to The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, which is a decent comparison. That's not all it is though, and its lack of focus may have been to its detriment. Aside from the occasional infodumps about cryptocurrency, blockchain, financial dealings and similar, which were mildly reminiscent of the sort in Snow Crash, though not nearly done as well, this is mostly an action adventure thriller. As for the characters, well, they exist. The comedic companion carries a heavy load in that regard. The protagonist is mostly to drive the narrative forward.
+
+The book also has some social science fiction aspects, mostly resulting from which the aliens provided to humanity. Augmentation and the obelisks alleviate the need for much, as humans no longer become senescent, gain regenerative capabilities, and have all their basic needs provided for. From a human perspective, it's a very robust welfare state, or even Luxury Communism. This is depicted as having been disastrous for humanity, which perhaps it could be, but I find the specifics presented here to be implausible. It reminded me in some ways of Brave New World or Childhood's End. Unfortunately, this is mostly reduced to that those born before Augmentation become obsessives and those afterwards are fearless, ignorant, and unproductive unless raised properly from birth. The antagonists are the capitalists, both of the human and alien variety. The human antagonist organization is very much a caricature, or satire, of market fundamentalist beliefs. Their goal is world domination to restore the capitalist regime and bring scarcity back to the world. The alien capitalists are more predatory, financially speaking.
+
+This is the first book in an intended series. It's not my sort of comedy, the social aspects were disagreeable and implausible within their context, the economics were often nonsensical, and the ending was unacceptable in its plot convenience. Those who can ignore the details will probably enjoy this more than me. I can easily imagine a version of this book that I would've enjoyed much more. I hope the author heeds what seems to be the consensus opinion about what works and doesn't. The second may be far more pleasing to a wider audience by doing so. 
+
+I received this book from the author through NetGalley.
+
+Rating: 2.5/5
+--- 21950901
+I read this book last week and it was really good. The premise is that British secret intelligence agents get locked in a secret Cold War fight with the communists over fallen angels/djinn that have infiltrated the electro-magnetic fields of radio communications and act as a sort of thought-virus that result in potentially lethally catastrophic breaches of the laws of physical reality. Very "Indiana Jones" aspect to it, sort of like James Bond combined with HP Lovecraft. 
+Anybody got other well-written and compelling supernatural spy fiction/political thrillers? Stuff with real research put into it, not cheap low-effort midwit crap like "oh all these famous characters throughout history are actually aliens/vampires/time travelers/god" 
+
+>>21950376
+I'm fairly confident Sanderson doesn't attract intellectuals of any kind, especially not pseudo-intellectuals
+--- 21951055
+Mysteries bros, kino is finally back in the menu with chapters 108 and 109 and the end of vol. 1. I was worried at the beginning but now the hype is back, with more mysteries and weird shit happening
+--- 21951064
+Is this what football will look like in the future?
+https://www.sbnation.com/a/17776-football
+--- 21951067
+>>21950370
+Most people get filtered right here
+--- 21951079
+>>21950897
+your """reviews""" are SHIT
+FUCK OFF
+--- 21951084
+>>21950370
+>>21950373
+>>21950379
+>>21951067
+Bakker'sprose is the greatest in the genre
+>Once again it was the pure thunder of the charge. The strange camaraderie of men bent to a single, fatal purpose. Hummocks, scrub, and the bones of the Vulgar Holy War’s dead rushed beneath. The wind bled through chain links, tousled Thunyeri braids and Tydonni crests. Bright banners slapped against the sky. The heathen, wicked and foul, drew closer, ever closer. One last storm of arrows, these ones almost horizontal to the ground, punching against shield and armour. Some were struck from their saddles. Tongue tips were bitten off in the concussion of the fall. The unhorsed arched across the turf, screamed and swatted at the sky. Wounded mounts danced in frothing circles nearby. The rest thundered on, over grasses, through patches of blooming milkwort waving in the wind. They couched their lances, twenty thousand men draped in great mail hauberks over thick felt, with coifs across their faces and helms that swept down to their cheeks, riding chargers caparisoned in mail or iron plates. The fear dissolved into drunken speed, into the momentum, became so mingled with exhilaration as to be indistinguishable from it. They were addicted to the charge, the Men of the Tusk. Everything focused into the glittering tip of a lance. The target nearer, nearer … The rumble of hooves and drums drowned their kinsmen’s song. They crashed through a thin screen of sumac …Saw eyes whiten in sudden terror. Then impact. The jarring splinter of wood as lances speared through shield, through armour. Suddenly the ground became still and solid beneath them, and the air rang with wails and shouts. Hands drew sword and axe. Everywhere figures grappled and hacked. Horses reared. Blades pitched blood into the sky. And the Kianene fell, undone by their ferocity, crumpling beneath northern hands, dying beneath pale faces and merciless blue eyes.The heathen recoiled from the slaughter—and fled
+--- 21951110
+>>21951084
+derivative glib facsimile
+--- 21951122
+>>21951067
+>>21951084
+tied with erikson for the absolute worst place and people names in the genre
+--- 21951123
+>>21951110
+>>21951122
+As expected, most are immediately filtered.
+--- 21951127
+>>21951067
+I just can't deal with all the silly made up names.
+Tolkien's greatest feat is that he is readable and doesn't make you recoil from everyone having a full blown retarded sounding moron name
+--- 21951130
+>>21951122
+I used to think David Eddings had the worst when I read Belgariad (Nadrak Yarblek? Are you shitting me?), but the sincerity of Eddings' work grows on you so you learn to look past it, but these tryhard postmodernist screeds full of pretentious amateur-linguist vomit make me appreciate the retarded pulp attitude a lot more. Very much a case of the midwit bell-curve.
+--- 21951135
+>>21951127
+Probably because most of his names are grounded in real world languages and folklore, so they "make sense."
+--- 21951136
+>>21951130
+>[buzzwords buzzwords buzzwords]
+--- 21951137
+>>21951135
+>>21951130
+a week or so ago someone was saying bakker drew on mesopotamian names or some such
+idk if it's true but if it is, those mesopotamian assholes sure had fucking retarded names
+--- 21951142
+>>21951137
+if it's true then he made a mistake
+--- 21951167
+>>21951123
+>[buzzword]
+--- 21951175
+>>21951137
+Nebuchadnezzar
+--- 21951183
+>>21950333 (OP)
+Well paced and engaging 'progression fantasy' when?
+--- 21951190
+>>21951137
+he drew on Mesopotamian culture in about the same way Jurassic Park draws on Hellenistic culture, which is to say about as much as it takes to name a dinosaur Tyrannosaurus rex
+--- 21951215
+>>21950760
+>>21950764
+>>21950778
+Those are badass. I really wish Japan did more art with strong and masculine characters.
+--- 21951262
+>>21951067
+>anasurimbor ganrelka, high king of kuniuri
+lemme just mash syllables together until it sounds fantasy enough
+--- 21951276
+>>21951262
+ANONYMONGRUMBLOER, HIGH KING OF OREBOREO, HAS ARRIVED
+--- 21951308
+>>21950778
+Damn that's Jun Suemi, he did the art for Brandish, Wizardry, Front Mission 2 and Rangoku.
+>>21950678
+Damnation Alley by Zelazny
+>>21950650
+>Skinny Tattersail
+Erikson's gonna freak
+--- 21951343
+>>21950678
+>Fallout 1 starts in Southwest
+>this book is in Southwest
+>>21951308
+>Damnation Alley
+>Southern California
+What's with nuclear post apocalypse and American Southwest?
+--- 21951429
+>>21950363
+leave... my wife.,.. ALONE
+--- 21951575
+Name FIVE good female sff authors that aren't Ursula le guin
+--- 21951578
+>>21951429
+Your wife is a footslut
+--- 21951587
+>>21951343
+They crave a reboot to settler days.
+--- 21951597
+>>21951575
+I liked Black Sun Rising by C.S. Friedman. Dragonlance and Dragonriders of Pern is good too.
+--- 21951598
+>>21950333 (OP)
+So any of you read Kane by Karl Edward Wagner here? So far I only red the novel trilogy, I'm just starting the short stories. Both Bloodstone and Darkness Weaves were great but I thought Black Crusade was kind of a let down.
+--- 21951608
+>>21950422
+Spanish hardcover editions of Clark Ashton Smith stories.
+1/3
+--- 21951617
+>>21951608
+2/3
+--- 21951620
+>>21951575
+C. Dale Brittain
+Lois McMaster Bujold
+Mercedes Lackey (not a huge fan of her work but her actual writing style is extremely pleasant)
+Holly Lisle
+Teresa Frohock (only just started this author, prose is good and the premise is really great but I'll need to wait til I've finished the book for a final decision)
+--- 21951623
+>>21951608
+3/3
+--- 21951633
+>>21951620
+I was surprised to see bujold won 4 Hugo's. Shes never recommended hardly. I might check those out
+--- 21951637
+>>21951575
+Lois Mcmaster Bujold
+Susanna Clarke
+Megan Whalen Turner
+Connie Willis
+Diana Wynne Jones
+--- 21951689
+>>21951575
+Zenna Henderson
+Irmtraud Morgner
+Mary Renault
+Enheduanna
+Evelyn Waugh
+--- 21951705
+>>21951689
+>>21951637
+>>21951620
+you are just making up names
+my favorite female author is Patricia Lemmings
+--- 21951742
+>>21950333 (OP)
+Ohhhh myyyyyy...
+--- 21951743
+>>21951608
+>>21951617
+>>21951623
+Kino
+--- 21951746
+>>21950333 (OP)
+>/biz/ idea: every character sings a song at some point
+--- 21951757
+>>21951746
+what if everyone had a lil jam sesh and started rapping hot bars
+--- 21951765
+>>21951757
+>T-bombadollar spittin his rhymes
+He would be so much better than all the others
+--- 21951822
+>>21951598
+Yes
+one of the greatest and most underrated S&S characters ever written
+And yeah dark crusade kind of pales in comparison to bloodstone and darkness weaves. but the short stories is where kane shines best, night winds is great and so is death angel's shadow
+--- 21951864
+>>21950422
+some french edition of new sun
+--- 21951865
+/SFFG/ Recommendations:
+
+Read Reverend Insanity, Lord of The Mysteries, Neuromancer, Hyperion, The Prince of Nothing
+
+Also read The Wandering Inn, Between Two Fires, Mother of Learning, Cradle, I Shall Seal the Heavens, A Song of Ice and Fire, The Poppy War.
+--- 21951880
+>>21951864
+Sauce on the artist?
+--- 21951883
+>>21951865
+Bot post.
+--- 21951886
+>>21951880
+looks like Guillaume Sorel
+--- 21951892
+>>21951883
+Remember to report spambots.
+--- 21951905
+>>21951575
+Melanie Rawn (My wife)
+Kate Elliot (also my wife)
+C.J Cherryh
+Joanna Russ
+Mercedes Lackey
+Bonus: Jane Gaskell (Psycho femcel)
+--- 21951931
+>>21951880
+>>21951886
+yep
+--- 21951939
+>>21951598
+ill check it out, but impossible to buy, have to go on ebay.
+know if there will be any new prints of kane in the future, like that single volume conan collection?
+--- 21951942
+>>21951931
+to be honest I just looked at the artist's signature at the bottom right of the image
+--- 21951945
+>>21950363
+Is the full mistborn series worth reading? I’m like 200 pages into the first Stormlight book and I think I’m liking it so far
+--- 21951952
+>>21950422
+Finnish ASOIAF
+--- 21951954
+>>21950422
+Japanese ASOIAF
+--- 21951971
+>>21951952
+You're mistaken, ASOIAF will never be finished.
+--- 21951975
+>>21951954
+Whats with japanese covers always being so shit
+--- 21951976
+>>21950610
+I think the Scar by China Meiville kind of counts as that
+--- 21951982
+>>21950333 (OP)
+>We're going on an adventure
+This thing was unironically my favorite character. The octopuses are cool but I fucking loved the little microbe thing getting extremely excited about the "spaces within spaces". It actually made me lol
+--- 21951985
+>>21950610
+Fevre Dream?
+--- 21951987
+>>21951742
+This is the one that makes me go "oh myyy"
+--- 21951999
+>>21951954
+you're late >>21950612
+--- 21952033
+>>21950422
+Spanish editions of the Lyonesse trilogy.
+--- 21952067
+>>21950678
+The Boy and His Dog (the closest one to the original Fallout concept)
+Dinner at Deviant's Palace (the closest one in a post-apocalyptic adventure in California feel)
+Lucifer's Hammer
+Dr. Bloodmoney
+Deus Irae
+Postman
+--- 21952145
+>>21951575
+Alex Aster
+Sarah J Maas
+Stephanie Meyer
+Tyra Banks
+Lani Sarem
+--- 21952156
+>>21950612
+Dany? Jon.
+Arya. Ygritte? Maybe Sansa?
+Sam. Catelyn? Tyrion.
+Cersei. Jamie.
+Dany. Bran. Jon.
+--- 21952177
+>>21950422
+I really fuck with these specific Brazilian covers for the Foundation series
+--- 21952181
+>>21951883
+>>21951886
+Remember to read Wandering Inn.
+--- 21952185
+>>21952177
+>>21950422
+The newer ones are less cool IMO (but they make up for it by having a cute girl)
+--- 21952191
+>>21952181
+why are you like this?
+--- 21952267
+>>21950422
+Iranian edition of Elric of Melnibone
+--- 21952277
+>>21952181
+Nah. I'll read that one anon's story that had a cute girl on the cover where he asked which cover was better
+--- 21952291
+the wandering inn's author doesn't reveal gender and has a cartoon girl avatar, so that means it's a dude, right?
+--- 21952330
+>There better not be any s*x in that heckin' book
+--- 21952333
+>>21952291
+Afaik he's called Noah, his named appeared on the credits of one of the spin-off novels
+--- 21952342
+>>21950446
+Elend had the best arc of the whole series with the most memorable 'heroic' moment in all cosmere at the end of book 3.
+--- 21952343
+>>21952291
+he's an AGP
+--- 21952368
+Is there a book series like x-files but with more research and talking and less action?
+--- 21952371
+>>21952291
+She's either a dude or a middle-aged housewife
+--- 21952391
+>>21952371
+his name is Noah James
+--- 21952392
+>>21952291
+It seems a publisher site for a graphic novel revealed his real name. Guess they wouldn't let him type Pirateaba into the form
+--- 21952811
+>>21952392
+>his
+--- 21952871
+Name the trilogy
+--- 21952902
+>>21951689
+Waugh really was a bitchy cunt, wasn't she?
+--- 21952931
+>>21952871
+Three body problem
+--- 21953146
+I really enjoyed The Lions of Al-Rassan. It was exactly what I was looking for in historical fiction. 
+Wasn't that hard to follow on audiobook, and I'm going to see if Under Heaven is as enjoyable.
+--- 21953165
+>>21953146
+cute
+--- 21953206
+>>21953146
+I don't think it's accurate to call it "historical fiction" since it takes place in a parallel world that is inspired by the real world but does not correspond to it 
+however I hear much praise for Guy Gavriel Kay's work within that world, especially about the Sarantine Mosaic
+--- 21953256
+>>21952067
+Thanks for suggestions.
+--- 21953414
+>>21953146
+my nigga you gotta read arbonne
+--- 21953422
+>>21950333 (OP)
+Dying Earth? More like Raping Earth.
+--- 21953459
+>>21953422
+For me, it's T'sais.
+--- 21953480
+>>21952931
+TBP would be 2 > 3 > 1
+Death's End is a bit retarded at times and the ending falls flat unless this is literally your first time considering heat death of the universe, but its still way better than the first book that only has like 2-3 characterized characters + faceless tabula rasa self insert protagonist Wang Miao.
+--- 21953500
+>>21953459
+That's what she said
+--- 21953513
+>dragon paints the sunset
+>dragon touches the painting
+--- 21953533
+>>21953500
+Heh
+--- 21953540
+>>21952033
+nice covers but maduoc looks far too old
+--- 21953592
+>>21952330
+I hate how basic the stormlight books are and how popular they are
+--- 21953663
+>>21952267
+isnt this haram in islam nation?

lit/21950350.txt

@@ -0,0 +1,207 @@
+-----
+--- 21950350
+>Redpilled atheist about to get away with crime and a shit ton of money, becomes a literal Christcuck, throws it all to be a slave in Siberia
+Just wow. Absolutely amazing.
+--- 21950353
+>>21950350 (OP)
+don’t forget the secretly pious whore waifu with a heart of gold
+--- 21950359
+could lifting have saved him?
+--- 21950378
+Didn't he turn himself in to save his own soul since he felt guilty and would be tormented by it if he didn't confess
+--- 21950451
+>>21950350 (OP)
+Didn't he said he was christian, and believed literally in the Bible, even the resurrection of Lazarus? Was he lying there? He even read the Bible to Sonia
+--- 21950459
+>>21950451
+I thought he was making fun of Sonia and implying that people only believe in the bible as a coping mechanism.
+--- 21950473
+>>21950459
+I feel like he was christian through the story, but he started doubting god because of the pain he was suffering. Then he tried to cope by reflecting his doubts on Sonia. I think that Dostoyesvky would have added atheism as a reason in that part where Svidrigáilov explains all the reasons Raskólnikov had to commit the crime, if that was the case. 
+
+Anyways, this is up for interpretation, unless I'm missing or not remembering something
+--- 21950484
+>>21950350 (OP)
+>>21950353
+Absolutely, you have to understand that it was all worth it, because after 20 years of hard labor, he finally gets to be with his literal whore gf.
+--- 21950489
+>>21950484
+What a life.
+--- 21950502
+>>21950350 (OP)
+The modern American equivalent of Crime and Punishment, is Breaking Bad. However, their conclusions are very different, and their protagonists' development are quite opposite to eachother. Raskolnikov, an ordinary man who decided to murder two women, immediately regrets his sinful actions, nearly goes insane trying to cope, and eventually repents for what he did. Crime and Punishment is a refutation of rational egoism. Walter, an ordinary man with cancer who decides to make drugs to support his family, doesn't repent at all for his actions, in fact he gradually ramps up the scale and frequency of his murdering and meth manufacturing, affecting tens of thousands of lives in the process. And in the end he admits that at eventually he didn't even do it all for the money or for the family, he did it for himself, to feel alive. He didn't regret it at all. Breaking Bad an affirmation of pure egoism and its consequences, both negative and positive.
+--- 21950517
+>>21950350 (OP)
+>>21950502
+Two more things: Firstly, Dostoevsky shitting on America in both C&P and Brother's Karamazov, representing it as a haven for pedophiles and murderers, is not only him shitting on America's godlessness during his own time, but it is also an anticipation of American degeneracy (in the eyes of the church) from the 70s onward.
+
+Secondly, walt's godless egoism is probably why zoomers are going so crazy over BB on the internet. I can't go a day in my house without my fucking nephew making a breaking bad reference. It's annoying as fuck, fuck these retarded ass kids.
+--- 21950522
+>>21950502
+>Crime and Punishment is a refutation of rational egoism
+If you think "I am silly" is a refutation, sure.
+--- 21950527
+>redpilled atheist
+stopped reading there
+maybe literature isn't for you OP? maybe stick to sucking cocks, what you're good at.
+--- 21950535
+>>21950522
+I didn't say it was a good refutation. It was unconvincing. Still a good read though.
+--- 21950630
+>>21950353
+>>21950350 (OP)
+Nabokov was so right about this hack, it is readily apparent that his so-called "novels" only exist to sell soap to conservacuck housewives.
+--- 21950656
+>>21950350 (OP)
+I remember this being my impression in highschool. It also irritated me to no end.
+I'm glad I came back to Dosto some 10 years later after therapy and after I did some growing up which was arrested due to trauma.
+The fact this bothered you this much outs something within you that resonates with his points.
+--- 21950698
+>>21950350 (OP)
+Did we read the same novel? When was he going to get away with it? What did Porfiry tell him when he visited him at his apartment?
+>I know it was you, I'll give you a couple days to turn yourself in, and if you decide to kill yourself in the interim, please be kind enough to leave a note of confession.
+--- 21950742
+>>21950656
+Not op, the novel has great ideas like free will, ubermensch, and actions vs consequences. It does fall short, after so many clear and precise points for the rejection of religion, it feels lazy or at least taking the easy way, to have Rodyo come to the realization that the church was right all along.
+--- 21950745
+>>21950698
+I know it was you because...I just do, ok?
+--- 21950750
+>>21950630
+name one good book by nabokov
+pro tip: you can't
+
+im so tired of this "nabokov said" bullshit, who cares about this literal who of literary world
+--- 21950753
+>>21950350 (OP)
+>Redpilled 
+>atheist
+pick one
+--- 21950758
+>>21950517
+Whatevah happen to Gary Coopah? The strong silent type.
+--- 21950762
+>>21950698
+porfiry was such a chad, probably best cop in literature
+--- 21950768
+>>21950698
+The painter next door confessed, Svidrigailov committed suicide, and Porfiry had nothing on him anyway. That's why he walked out of the police station after hearing about Svidrigailov's death, he got this in the bag. Cash out the loot, board a ship to America.
+--- 21950773
+>>21950750
+Dolores Haze, the only convincing love story of our time.
+--- 21950865
+>>21950350 (OP)
+What did you expect? Dostoevsky was a literal christcuck too. Raskolnikov sudden christian awakening feels so out of character because the author was the same, he was constantly having a crisis of faith and then forcing himself into believing in God again because that's what was expected of him by society. Basically, most of his stories were cope from the author to try and convince himself that religion was the answer and that it was going to make him happy somehow in the end despite all of his doubts.
+--- 21950879
+>>21950745
+kek, but it was
+>>21950768
+Svidrigailov complete red herring with nothing to do with the murder, painter was a schizo with an alibi, and Porfiry had everything on Raskolnikov. It just would have taken an opening statement of Nietzschean density at the trial to explain how.
+--- 21950896
+>>21950773
+also, my favourite song is Teenage Wasteland by The Who
+(I'm trans btw)
+--- 21950938
+>>21950378
+Poe was more succinct in The Tell-tale Heart.
+--- 21950946
+>>21950502
+>an ordinary man who decided to murder two women
+He decided to murder ONE woman. And a jewess at that. The other one just became necessary later.
+--- 21950966
+>>21950502
+>Breaking bad is the modern Crime and punishment 
+>except that they are fundamentally different from each other with distinct story development
+--- 21951036
+>>21950502
+Crime and Punishment is more similar with Death Note than Breaking Bad
+--- 21951052
+>>21951036
+Reddit is that way sir
+--- 21951091
+>>21951052
+comparing C&P to breaking bad is not reddit but this is?
+--- 21951120
+>>21951052
+I'm not doing an entire post explaining all the correlations between Death Note and C&P, there's a 20 minutes long youtube video doing that. 
+
+That said, just read the lyrics of this song (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJz0xqlHghY) [Embed] which defines the protagonist of Death Note and tell me it doesn't exactly applies to the character of Raskólnikov
+--- 21951124
+>>21951120
+Excepting the "Liar who doesn't knows solitude" part
+--- 21951148
+>>21951091
+NTA but the comparison of C&P to Death Note is extremely reddit because its doubling down on Japanese consumerist and trope understandings of western media. Porfiry and Raskolnikov's interactions are not really the point of C&P. It isn't a murder mystery thriller or Sherlock Holmes story. The Japs only understand the text at the most basic level and backing that interpretation just shows you don't know anything about either story yourself.
+The BB comparison is pretty far-fetched but at least it tries to talk about the themes of the work and not just structure or tropes.
+--- 21951281
+>>21951091
+comparing it to BB tells me you are a dumb zoomer. Comparing it to DN tells me you are a dumb millenial. both are bad but the dumb zoomer still has the chance of outgrowing his stupidity while the dumb millenial has little hope consediring he is probably around 30.
+--- 21951329
+>>21951148
+Both Death Note and C&P protagonists are brown haired young adults who find themselves in a position where they are planning to commit a big crime. Both have that ideal of "Extraordinary and ordinary" human beings, and that they can get away with it because they are "extraordinary". Both believed that their crime would create a better world, . After some time, the protagonist finds a blonde girl who falls in live with him, who also commits crimes. They also have to play a game of cat and mouse with a detective. Both protagonists are arrogant and prideful. Both ends paying for their crime. 
+Of course there are big differences, the stories are not even similar, but their characters and their motivations are. The main difference is that one has a magical death note, and the other one actually regrets his crime. 
+
+I really can't see the comparison of C&P with Breaking Bad, but I can see a comparison of Death Note with Breaking Bad. 
+
+>>21951281
+Why is comparing a dumb thing to do? Everything has someting in common with anything. Why not connect those dots together and talk about it? Of course these novels/series are VERY different, but they still have things in common.
+--- 21951335
+>>21950517
+Why don't you just move out of your brother's house?
+--- 21951336
+>>21951329
+Wrote on mobile, that's why I have some typos.
+--- 21951993
+he doesnt become a christian until a few years into his prison sentence if i recall correctly
+--- 21952080
+>>21950758
+Wasn't he gay?
+--- 21952650
+>>21950517
+>Dostoevsky shitting on America in both C&P and Brother's Karamazov, representing it as a haven for pedophiles and murderers, is not only him shitting on America's godlessness during his own time, but it is also an anticipation of American degeneracy (in the eyes of the church) from the 70s onward
+
+Wow, he was such a visionary. He would've totally hated Vegas and loved what based & trad Russia turned out to be. Luckily he wrote a George Floyd-tier biography of some random nog murderer he read about in some newspaper and attributed fictional motives and inner monologues to.
+--- 21952662
+>>21950698
+best scenes were Porfiry's accusation and Svidrigailov's trip to america.
+latter brought tears to my eyes.
+--- 21952706
+>>21950350 (OP)
+> and a shit ton of money
+He didn't steal that much money. He only took what money was on the old woman or in plain sight at the moment of crime, completely missing the main part of her fortune.
+Also, he has completely forgotten where the money was hidden soon afterwards. The meaninglessness of his crime is one of the main points of the book, because he did it to prove his stupid and deranged philosophical point, not for the money.
+--- 21952885
+>>21950502
+>The modern American equivalent of Crime and Punishment, is Breaking Bad
+This is a monstrously terrible take and you must be a genuine retard to actually believe this. 
+>Crime and Punishment is a refutation of rational egoism
+No, it's a refutation of atheistic utilitarianism. Raskolnikov's justification for the crime is that he is making the world a better place by killing an old lady who did nothing but harm to the world and benefitting himself, thus allowing him to benefit the world. This is not bullshit; that is, he genuinely believes that this is the case, even when he confesses, and he is probably correct that in a strictly utilitarian sense the world would be better with the moneylender dead and himself relieved of his financial burdens. He would not have dealt drugs, or killed a productive/good member of society to gain the same money because that would have been immoral under his ethical framework.
+
+Of course the underlying theme is that religion is necessary to be a truly moral person, and that atheism results in arbitrary and harmful perceptions of what qualifies as good and evil. And so it's only later when he converts to Christianity that he understands why what he did was wrong, with his regret before the epilogue being purely an emotional response that contradicts his rational judgement of the situation. 
+
+Breaking bad is an entirely different story, with Walter (almost) never having moral qualms about what he was doing and fully embracing his ambition. He has no psychological or emotional issues with this, and the only people who suffer are those around him. There are exactly zero religious elements in it, which is perhaps the main focus of Crime and Punishment, it has an entirely different storyline and structure, and the themes relating to egoism are at best tangentially related.
+--- 21952897
+>>21950502
+Good and accurate post everyone else is wrong.
+--- 21952935
+>>21950350 (OP)
+I never finished it. I thought his buddy was cool. And the detective made it feel like a really good columbo episode.
+--- 21952942
+>>21952935
+Columbo was based on Porfiry Petrovich, which you probably already knew
+--- 21952951
+>>21951329
+>and the other one actually regrets his crime.
+that's the entire point of Crime and Punishment retard, Light never has a second thought even when he kills Takadatard, and also Death Note is explicitly atheist since they can't go to Heaven or Hell but Mu (nothingness)
+--- 21952959
+>>21950484
+>20 years of hard labor, he finally gets to be with his literal whore gf.
+Do you know how insanely common this has become? Not even going with /pol/-cel rhetoric here, just going by the Gen X friends of my older brothers. 
+
+I can name five different dudes that in their late 30s or early 40s got together with some girl they liked in high school, married her, and are now raising her kids. I know a guy raising four kids that aren't his, had one with the chick, just found out she's been cheating with multiple dudes, and is now getting absolutely divorce reamed. 
+
+It doesn't seem to bother anybody so I try to just treat it like normal, but damn.
+--- 21952978
+>>21950938
+Based
+I'm going to read this right now, thanks

lit/21950375.txt

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+-----
+--- 21950375
+Books that talk about childhood and how it is the actual only valuable part of life worth living?
+--- 21950406
+>>21950375 (OP)
+Do you like to be a slave? Because childhood is literally slavery
+--- 21950412
+>>21950406
+speaking from experience I see
+--- 21950415
+>>21950375 (OP)
+--- 21950428
+>>21950375 (OP)
+Ferdydurke
+--- 21950430
+that's not true. my adulthood is much more fun than my childhood was. that shit was trash
+--- 21950445
+>>21950430
+of course there are exceptions, anon
+--- 21950449
+My childhood was often an embarrassing period. But adulthood is a full ordeal. Someone make time stop please.
+--- 21950519
+My life has sucked evenly the whole way. Can't complain.
+--- 21950622
+>>21950375 (OP)
+my diary
+--- 21950722
+Everyone's childhood is the same. Adilthood is where you get to pick what you want for you.
+--- 21950769
+>>21950722
+can you provide an explanation on that? I'm curious.
+--- 21950777
+>>21950722
+In adulthood I got illness, depression and unemployment but that's certainly not what I wanted. Childhood represents a perfect existence determined by unconditioned joy and devoid of struggle and suffering, adulthood is only made by these last two things instead.
+--- 21950788
+>>21950375 (OP)
+lord of the rings
+--- 21950835
+>>21950777
+Sux to b u famalam
+--- 21951112
+>>21950777
+great photograph
+--- 21951116
+>>21950788
+Frodo is in his 50s in Fellowship...
+--- 21951133
+>>21951112
+It's literally just a photograph
+--- 21951145
+>>21950375 (OP)
+The Scarlet Tree by Osbert Sitwell
+A Question of Upbringing by Anthony Powell
+--- 21951290
+>>21950375 (OP)
+The innocent grace of childhood is heaven
+All the the moments we realize this and think back, as if to peak in on ourselves, still there. This is all that we have left of heaven. 
+What an awful world that denies children this heavenly grace period
+--- 21951317
+>>21950406
+As opposed to adulthood and its additional, more burdensome slaveries.
+--- 21951411
+>>21951317
+Wrong, adulthood is harder, but it gives far more opportunities.
+If you’re a passive faggot that wants to slowly and silently cruise through life then yes, childhood is better, otherwise adulthood is where it’s at
+--- 21951426
+>>21950375 (OP)
+What an utterly pathetic statement. “People” like you would crawl back into the womb if they got the chance. A perfectly just government would offer euthanasia for those with this disgraceful anti-human stance.
+--- 21951437
+Remember when we were kids and didn't yet realize faggots like >>21951426 existed?
+--- 21951459
+>>21951426
+>A perfectly just government
+Anonymous, (posing as a a tripfag) you have to be trolling. There’s never been such a thing.
+--- 21951462
+>>21951437
+You are weak. You are a coward. You are pathetic. And worst of all, you think you’re in the right.
+Go crawl back up your mother’s cunt if you hate the real world so much. The rest of us will try to make the best of it.
+--- 21952925
+>>21951426
+>would offer 
+>for those with this disgraceful
+Huh?
+>a just government would place decisions in the hands of those it deems disgraceful

lit/21950381.txt

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+-----
+--- 21950381
+favorite eccentric philosophical papers? im depressed and i want to read short stuff other people are passionate about >_>
+--- 21950488
+>>21950381 (OP)
+I'm interested too
+--- 21950566
+>>21950381 (OP)
+What is this image supposed to be?
+--- 21950657
+>>21950566
+idk, can anyone here read art?
+--- 21950845
+Read one of Bernardo Kastrup's short papers about Analytic Idealism
+--- 21950871
+http://www.sacredweb.com/online_articles/sw47_editorial.pdf
+
+Understandable and short.
+--- 21951202
+>>21950381 (OP)
+i got you senpai, here are some fun reads I try and assign when I do intro, plus some more difficult essays below. 
+Quine - On What There Is
+Steven Yablo - Nonexistence and Aboutness
+Penelope Mackie - Ordinary Language and Metaphysical Commitment
+Roy Sorensen - Meaningless Beliefs and Mates' Problem
+Jerry Fodor - Fodor's Guide to Mental Representation
+Ruth Garrett Millikan - On Swamppeople
+Timothy Williamson - Skepticism, Semantic Externalism, and Keith’s Mom
+
+
+Seth Yalcin - Epistemic Modals
+David Kaplan - Quantifying In
+--- 21951641
+>>21950381 (OP)
+Jay Dyer - Numbers Prove God
+Really a beautiful yet still so rational and clear essay
+>m-muh jay dyer is literally my bully!
+Don't care, you haven't read the essay
+--- 21951645
+>>21951641
+>jay dyer is my bully
+literally who lol? calm down jay no one is worried about you and your practical nonexistence
+--- 21951650
+>>21950657
+>he can’t read art
+Allegory of Power. Got you king.
+--- 21952641
+>>21950381 (OP)
+https://direct.mit.edu/daed/article/134/4/40/27373/Civil-religion-in-America
+--- 21952763
+>>21951202
+The Naturalized Epistemology laid out in On What There Is is very appealing. What would you recommend to a layperson who wants to learn more about it and its critics and proponents?
+--- 21952782
+>>21952763
+I don't really know what you mean by epistemology in the Quine essay, but check these out
+https://mitpress.mit.edu/9780262580915/change-in-view/
+https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674258969

lit/21950492.txt

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+-----
+--- 21950492
+When I was in high school I strongly believed in the power of ideas to be a life altering influence. I can't say I ever read voraciously but I had a strong interest in philosophy, political theory, literary fiction and so on. I always hoped that I would find something that would "blow my mind" so to speak and have a profound effect on how I see the world. And when I think about my life I can actually recall a few instances where I had what you could describe as epiphanies where my attitude towards something has changed, and I could trace the train of thought that lead me there to a book. But these moments are all in the past now. I feel like that period of my life where these things could happen is behind me. I still read, but I feel like I lost something crucial. I suppose I lost or am losing the faith that engaging with these texts is worth the effort, and perhaps because of that I am losing the ability to truly engage with a text on that deep level where the kind of experiences I'm looking to have happen. Or maybe it's the other way around. I don't know. This post and this thread is my attempt at understanding what's going on. Have any of you had a similar experience? How did you overcome it?
+--- 21950497
+>>21950492 (OP)
+Maybe you are retarded like me ?
+
+Welcome to retarded club anon
+--- 21950533
+>>21950492 (OP)
+I experienced this disconnect after hitting the twenties as well. Something about believing in abstract ideas and not practicing them or not being able to have the power to have them be seen implemented breaks your spirit.
+--- 21950557
+>>21950492 (OP)
+"The thinker is blind to the immediacy of things, and is therefore unable to master them"
+
+Profundity is a spook. You can think and read for fun too, you don't necessarily need a grand justification to do so. And learn some mathematics, it's very elegant and full of potential "mind blowing" theorems and shit like that. Get your dick/clit sucked on in the meantime.
+--- 21950565
+There's a reason "idealist" is synonymous with "naive" in a lot of people's minds.
+You've broken through and now it's time to pick between being a man of action or a man of faith.
+--- 21950570
+>>21950492 (OP)
+I went through a similar experience. I used to be really interested in philosophy, psychology, history, mythology, etc. until I realised that no amount of reading can really help you interface with the real world. I lost my appetite for it for a while, until I realised that there's a big difference between just reading something, and applying what you've read to your own life. And that application step is immensely hard. I used to think that reading all this stuff would give me an edge in life, because I always felt like I was behind in a lot of ways, but I lost a lot of faith when I found that not to be the case. Now, I'm working on integrating those ideas into my daily life, and as challenging as that is, it's allowed me to regain faith in the power of ideas, as you put it. I think that for anyone that wants to improve their living situation, conscious and sustained effort is essential. Remember that many people read scriptures daily in an effort to come closer to God. The act of reading is a big first step, but it's not sufficient to see change in itself.
+
+/blog
+--- 21950582
+If you're expecting an epiphany, it's probably not going to happen. Epiphanies (both secular and religious) happen when you least expect them. A watched pot never boils. 
+
+That being said, just read for the pleasure of reading. For the aesthetic experience. Just continue being curious. The rest will come on its own...
+
+There are things you know, there are things you don't know, and there are things you don't know you don't know. Keep reading and eventually you'll come across the things you don't know you don't know. Then something might happen.
+--- 21950635
+>>21950492 (OP)
+You don’t need books for studying this, and books have already trained your ability to think to some degree so you should have the mental machinery necessary to deal with the challenge: try isolating what the practical effects of solving different problems in philosophy would have on your life. How would knowing for instance teleological free will exists instead of mechanistic determinism change your life practically? Once you have done this for a number of problems, you can start to generalize to whole sections of philosophy their practical upshot, and even exlore your memories and categorize different practical experiences you had as a result of answering philosophical questions under these general practical categories linked to the sections. Next, from those practical uses you have already experiences from philosophy in your memory, generalize out of them to find what qualities a practical philosophy has, and try to fill in those gaps in your current thinking. Finally, isolate in your life what are the most useful and essential feelings and qualities, in a non-tautological way (e.g. goodness, beauty are examples of tautological answers) and build a philosophy that aims at the improvement or fulfillment of those qualities.
+
+Also, I’d recommend reading some of the pragmatists, who explicitly note the importance of the practical effects of our ideas in far more significant and interesting ways than previous philosophers.
+--- 21950665
+>>21950582
+But it won’t come on it’s own. A book requires intellectual engagement and play with it’s contents mentally to fully integrate it into your unique style of thinking so you can use it’s contents in a fast and intuitive way in your actual life. If you don’t try to fit together what you read, you will just have a set of islands in your mind completely disconnected from one another, and when any question is asked of you in day-to-day life, you will resort to your most comfortable and intuitive mental day-to-day island, and completely ignore the unintegrated knowledge you have built up from reading. It’s like someone who studied math in school becoming dumb and not knowing what to do in day-to-day life in a situation where there is a clear practical application the math.
+--- 21950691
+>>21950665
+This. Many people over look the importance of the "childs play and womens work" phase of the work when the contents of the crucible are thoroughly heated. You need to play with the ideas while allowing your subconscious to work on them. I suggest taking your favorite philosophy book that you haven't read in a while, skim the pages for questions that the author asks, write them down in a notebook and then drop the philosophy book and take your notebook somewhere comfortable and just play with the questions. Try to answer them yourself without judgment if you are right or not, see what other questions may come, play with those too. Posit the negation of what a question is and answer that, see what comes up. This is the same reasoning that comes with drilling math problems and drawing graphs, but with logical reasoning and intuition. If you do it right you can have a lot of fun with it. Some of my personal favorite fiction I have written has come from this.
+--- 21950700
+>>21950665
+
+When I mean "read," I definitely mean a type of reading that is critical and engaged. 
+
+If you're looking for a personal and practical mythos, feel free to do that, but I'm much more focused on identifying the nuanced and personal voices of the people I read. In fact, if I was forced to choose, I'd pick the islands of information over the broad and reductive personal mythos. To me, it sounds like you're more interested in turning a writer into something 'you' can use, rather than approaching an author on their own, individual terms. 
+
+Basically, I'm much more hesitant to connect islands of information and make mistakes while doing so, than I am building those islands. To me, the connections are way easier to do than the hard work of coming to grips with their details and idiosyncracies.
+
+I'm happy to discuss "trends" and "similarities," but, to me, the value in reading comes from identifying individual voices. For instance, I'm happy to talk about modernism in broad strokes, but I realize that I'm generalizing and skipping over the details of a Yeats, Eliot, Joyce, etc. 
+
+I'm also not going to skip over a writer just because I don't think their philosophy is useful. I'm not really concerned with "use." I don't read Yeats' "The Second Coming" worried about the "gyres" of history.
+--- 21950704
+>>21950700
+
+That should say something along the lines of "worried about the practicality of the 'gyres' of history."
+
+>>21950691
+I'm also more than willing to play with ideas. I think that's an imperative part of the reading process. I just don't think reading is about extrapolating a "practical" purpose.
+--- 21950711
+>>21950557
+>>21950570
+i recently saw a video that mentioned a philosopher named Lev Shetov, he criticized the enlightenment positivist mindset because although reason may be a noble pursuit it also can work as a blindfold for us, making us unable to experience the world in a human way, becoming detached from the world and other humans. 
+i think that reading a book for ideas is only half of what a book is good for, like this anon said, you must learn to apply the ideas to your real life (or, as others suggest, you can just read for fun). when you read a book don't go into it to expand your mental encyclopedia of ideas, go in there looking for tools, the ideas are good if you can apply them, if you can make these ideas conversate with the world around you, otherwise, they become stale and dead. that is one of the criticisms plato had toward the written word, it freezes the discourse and kills it. Nietzche also said that you shouldn't read too many books, and for those he read he would go outside after finishing the book to meditate on them, and in the outside world, he would find more ideas and more insight into the books.
+>>21950665
+well put, anon
+--- 21950713
+>>21950492 (OP)
+nigga you'll be fine, just know that there's always something that you can get into. I mean a rabbit hole or whatever. 
+
+>knowledge big.... feeling smol
+
+you'll get over it
+--- 21950725
+>>21950704
+>I just don't think reading is about extrapolating a "practical" purpose.
+Well no thats not what its about whole hock. It can be about that if you want it to but, like we are kind of hinting at, it takes more than just reading, reading becomes a step in the process of producing and acting on motivating ideas. But reading can just be done for its own sake sure. I just got the sense (incorrectly it would seem, sorry about that) that you were the type that thought that just simply reading would propel you or guid you in some direction without having to take any other steps.
+--- 21950734
+I found out my brain is like a sieve and when I fed it general literature, general history, general philosophy, general religion I was losing all the information because I wasn't sieving the useful information. I assume your smart enough to remember the useful information but there might be over hundreds of users on 4chan who haven't thought to break philosophy into categories or literature into movements or religion into theology. Pertaining to your point is that if you view everything in the same basket you'll have a large basket but very mixed with bread, fruit even stones giving you the impression you know things but not much. Having categories to add to whilst reading you can monitor your logic basket, culture basket, metaphysics basket, literary theory basket, language baskets, poetry school baskets and sex or fitness baskets and mythology basket. You'll see which ones you know best and which ones to gradually improve upon. And you'll either notice your extremely intelligent or that you are a jack of all trades or you are lacking in knowledge in certain fields. Good luck anon maybe this is common knowledge if it is, sorry.
+--- 21950752
+>>21950725
+
+No worries! 
+
+I think we agree on the difficult work of the reading process. 
+
+Personally, I just think the reading part of reading is the most important. I'd assume most creatives think the same way. The ideal reader (in my estimation) to them is the one who engages in focused reading and approaches their text sincerely and empathetically, not a reader who has one eye on the world / practical purposes. 
+
+That's not to say there are no real life applications to texts. There are. I just want to focus on the experience of reading first and foremost. The "joy" of reading and the "pleasure" of empathetic engagement is the most valuable thing about reading to me.
+--- 21950761
+>>21950734
+that was helpful
+--- 21950949
+>>21950492 (OP)
+
+
+Things epiphanically reveal themselves through cogitation, and via tangential abstractivity: what you lack is an occupation.
+--- 21950968
+>>21950635
+>I’d recommend reading some of the pragmatists, who explicitly note the importance of the practical effects of our ideas in far more significant and interesting ways than previous philosophers
+Could you give me some pragmatists you recommend reading?
+--- 21951001
+>>21950497
+This. I always suspected I got retardation from ADHD + weed smoking + acid psychosis. Welcome to the club, anon. We can still eke out humble progress even within the domains of our midwittery.
+--- 21951007
+>>21950533
+That's a part of it. When I started working I began to realize the immense power of the economic and social machinery that I exist under. I'm beginning to think that a better understanding of this system won't bring any relief, and no amount of reading will help me to truly transcend or escape from the total domination of those banalities.
+--- 21951016
+>>21950492 (OP)
+There is a great fallacy that pervades almost every intellectual culture in human history: the assumption that the grandeur of an idea makes it "more true" than other ideas. This is a fallacy of logic, since the trueness of a proposition is different from how interesting or "profound" it is. This leads to almost everyone assuming that an "ultimate truth" of reality, or society, or this, or that, must be something profound, something Godly or beautiful, and they become dissatisfied with anything more modest, so they constantly seek something "better". This assumption unfortunately drives many contemporary discussions in all liberal arts, leading people to reject many decent ideas in hope for a perfect one, as it has for all of human history. You probably believe in this fallacy too. That's why you studied more liberal arts like philosophy or politics, instead of using that time to study something more mundane (yet useful) like gardening or carpentry or machining or designing or something practical. By seeking the "greatest" idea, you'll miss out on the multitude of decent ideas, and waste all your time in the end.
+--- 21951026
+>>21950492 (OP)
+You grew up. You were young and naive and now less so. This is a profitable experience even if it's a bitter pill to swallow at first. Some ideas are applicable to reality directly. They can be translated into actions. Other ideas are so general and abstract that they bear no relation you any given individual's experience. It's unreasonable to ask of such ideas that they behave like magic. Simply become a more practical person and stop being so idealistic. Doing so does not devalue general ideas , but it cuts them down to size.
+--- 21951035
+>>21951016
+More examples of mundane topics: history, legal studies, accounting, investing, chemistry, nutrition science, economics, math, I mean shit the list goes on; you get the point. The way I see it, the liberal arts (fine arts, literature, philosophy, political theory, fiction), which I'll just call "literature", are only so useful for two things: 1. Proposing how you can get what you want, 2. Showing you how to articulate and thus reliably remind yourself of the limitations of literature.
+--- 21951138
+Man, for a board dedicated to literature, /lit/ seems extremely cynical about the process of reading.
+--- 21952742
+>>21950635
+I second the request for recommended reading
+--- 21952898
+>>21950492 (OP)
+Take the schizopill (warning: moderate your dosage) and bruteforce enlightenment by presuming an epiphany exists before it has any tangible details or substance at all.
+--- 21952986
+>>21951016
+I understand the fallacy you're describing well enough. It's part of why I feel the way I do. What I don't understand is why you put the practical skills are in the same category as the kind of "wisdom" one could gain from literature. It's obvious why carpentry might be useful in an instrumental sense, but I don't see how it could be a substitute for reading Seneca or something like that.
+--- 21953046
+>>21951007
+When I started working I had an overwhelming sense of "this will stifle me", and it was true. Aside from the effects of the monotony of work dulling cognition, the greater issue is the more thorough socialization, of being forced outside yourself, to become someone suited to your environment.
+When I first started I was very shy and introverted, and to a degree that's still true, but I think something of value that was lost was a sense of embarrassment. I recall vividly a sense of my cheeks flushing under numerous circumstances - now that doesn't happen, and I just roll with the situation. It's a feeling I miss because now the world and my place in it feels more mundane, as though it's lost a sense of specialness where something could cause me to react on a physical level instead of merely acting out an infinitely rehersed performance.

lit/21950580.txt

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+-----
+--- 21950580
+What's her endgame?
+--- 21950583
+>>21950580 (OP)
+mogged by the true queen of classics
+--- 21950591
+>>21950580 (OP)
+Are there any other women and feminist interpreters in Classics?
+--- 21950595
+>>21950580 (OP)
+You just know she wouldn't be trying to destroy Western civilization if she looked like this instead
+--- 21950596
+Historical revisionism ultimately
+--- 21950599
+>>21950591
+There are tons. Academics make entire careers now lecturing about how Greece and Rome were actually run by women and super gay. They lie, obviously, but they get careers either way.
+--- 21950834
+>>21950580 (OP)
+Emily Wilson is a SPINCEL
+--- 21950841
+>>21950834
+Spincel
+I like it
+--- 21950868
+>>21950599
+>gayreeks 
+>not super gay 
+o i am laffin
+--- 21950978
+Emily Wilson takedown thread 
+https://twitter.com/dominbydigdug/status/1650243251843022850
+--- 21951211
+>>21950580 (OP)
+She looks like Greta.
+--- 21951223
+>>21950978
+I wish we lived in a world where these types of altar boy eunuchs could be content in sexless marriages and weekly church services rather than staring at computer screens all day and becoming "trad" mass shooters.
+--- 21951238
+>>21951223
+Yeah, Audrey Hale and her ilk are outta control
+--- 21951277
+>>21950834
+She has three kids retard
+--- 21951297
+>>21951277
+So what, libtards call Musk an incel and he has kids as well. She's obviously a spiritual spincel
+--- 21951311
+>>21951277
+Checked. I image sex with her would always be in the missionary position with her noiselessly staring at the ceiling making the same face as OP's pic. At the end she'd say "it's all done then? Alright, that's that" and turn on her side away from you, falling asleep immediately.
+--- 21951333
+>>21951311
+>Tfw no freeuse mommy
+--- 21951351
+>>21950591
+I’d rather not know. It’s the incels turn.
+--- 21951362
+>>21951311
+Joke’s on her, that’s my fetish
+--- 21951371
+>>21950868
+The Greeks did gay stuff. They weren’t as gay as we’ve been led to believe, but they did gay stuff. That’s not what’s being said though. What these academics insist though is that everything was gay everywhere all the time and being gay was celebrated and politics was gay and literature was gay and everything was gay and it was great. They’re just blatant lies. 
+
+But anyway, the point was more about women than gay men.
+--- 21951382
+>>21951371
+I think the Greeks were pretty homosexual, the problem is that homosexuality comes with an accepted culture here of promiscuity and liberal social values, which certainly the Greeks did not have.
+--- 21951408
+>>21951371
+greeks were gay, super gay and the west fell when the jews tricked them into being straight
+--- 21951440
+>>21951362
+She doesn't care either way. That's the real joke,
+--- 21951489
+>>21951277
+>>21951311
+>>21951333
+Witnessed.
+--- 21951491
+>>21951382
+They really weren’t. In fact, in most cases that we consider a gay person today it would’ve been shameful for a Greek to have been so.
+--- 21951526
+>>21951491
+>ignore all the myths about eros between men and women
+>ignore Greek's conceptualization of masculinity 
+>pretend Greeks would be marching in Pride parades in BDSM gear handing out cocklipops to kids
+They're so tiresome.
+--- 21951541
+I find her pretty sexy but when she reads from her own translation it's the funniest fucking thing 
+
+The voices she does, lol. I'd recommend you look up some lectures she's done where she reads from The Odyssey
+--- 21951784
+>>21950586
+Alternative Tyrone translation
+--- 21952598
+>>21951311
+This is the face of someone who has never seen a penis in real life before.
+--- 21952620
+>>21952598
+she needs a BBC
+--- 21953653
+>>21951541
+>I find her pretty sexy
+Bruh
+--- 21953664
+>>21953653
+I like that she almost always goes bare armed to the shoulders
+--- 21953673
+>>21953664
+Disgusting roastie flabby arms
+--- 21953680
+Emily Wilson is cute and i really want her to be my wife
+--- 21953683
+>>21953673
+Ah come on 
+
+She's 52 as well
+--- 21953699
+>>21951311
+lelftist women love anal. and nowadays sex is normalized and girls to atm all the time
+--- 21953723
+>>21950595
+More women should look like that

lit/21950712.txt

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+-----
+--- 21950712
+I hate how hard it is to find obscure books on controversial matters for free and I assume many of you feel the same way, regardless of the content of literature it should be made easily accessable in the interest of intellectual freedom and the base curiosity of man. 
+
+With that said the format of this thread is as follows:
+List books that you believe to be obscure and that you want to read, please list only if you have 3 or more. With any good luck an anon will have what you seek and be charitable enough to help you out.
+
+
+The books i'd like are:
+The Work of All Ages: The Ongoing Plot to Rule the World from Biblical Times to the Present by Peter Christian
+
+World War Two Turning Points: The Secret Decisions, Forgotten Blunders, and Cover-Ups That Really Determined Its Outcome by Frank Joseph
+
+Classic Essays on the Jewish Question edited by Thomas Dalton
+
+Behind Communism: 1917–2020 Updated, Revised and Expanded by Frank L. Britton
+
+The Book of the Shulchan Aruch edited by Thomas Dalton
+
+Heresy in Twenty-First Century France A Case of Insubmission to the “Holocaust” Dogma by Georges M. Thiel
+
+Auschwitz: A Three-Quarter Century of Propaganda Origins, Development and Decline of the “Gas Chamber” Propaganda Lie by Carlo Mattogno
+
+The Holocaust: An Introduction: Exploring the Evidence by Thomas Dalton
+--- 21950770
+>>21950712 (OP)
+>should be made easily accessable in the interest of intellectual freedom
+lmao
+--- 21950852
+>>21950770
+What's funny? You support (((big publishers)))?
+--- 21951083
+Reinhard Johannes Sorge, Gericht über Zarathustra
+Emanuel Carnevali, A Hurried Man
+Karl Wolfskehl, 1933: A Poem Sequence
+Felix Noeggerath, Die Gedichte
+Frederick Victor Branford, The White Stallion
+Nicola Moscardelli, The Third State
+William Baylebridge, This Vital Flesh
+--- 21951218
+>>21950770
+I completely agree with OP – all books exposing jewish crimes should be made easily accessible.
+--- 21951258
+Bump
+--- 21951299
+why do nazis always pretend to care about intellectual freedom?
+--- 21951303
+>>21951299
+Hey, who the fuck are you?
+--- 21951314
+>>21951303
+the person you are talking to
+--- 21951763
+>>21951299
+I'm not a nazi and I support intellectual freedom when it benefits me in some way. Wanting to read certain books doesn't make you a nazi anymore than wanting to read the quran makes you a muslim.
+--- 21951775
+Fag thread for midwits. Fuck off
+--- 21951802
+>>21950712 (OP)
+Wrong board/website
+Politely consider going back.
+--- 21951809
+>>21951763
+>I'm not a nazi
+>Wanting to read certain books doesn't make you a nazi
+it does when nearly every book you've listed is about proving the holocaust was a hoax
+>I support intellectual freedom when it benefits me
+so you don't support intellectual freedom
+--- 21952716
+>>21950712 (OP)
+>controversial matters
+fuck off /pol/
+--- 21952973
+>>21951809
+>it does when nearly every book you've listed is about proving the holocaust was a hoax
+I possess the entire collection of sahih bukhari, sahih muslim, sunan abu dawud and many different copies of the quran. Owning these doesn't make me muslim, correct?
+
+>so you don't support intellectual freedom
+In the abstract, with no limits? No, I don't support that.
+--- 21953216
+>>21952973
+i genuinely don't understand why you keep pretending you're not a nazi or extremely antisemitic at the very least. you're not going to get canceled or lose your job or suffer any real consequences for owning up to it. this site is infested with nazis. this is your safe space.
+--- 21953319
+Anyone find a copy of this LOTRs Fanfic? Its apart of a lawsuit 
+
+
+THE FELLOWSHIP OF THE KING
+By Demetrious Polychron
+
+https://screenrant.com/lotr-rings-of-power-fanfiction-author-lawsuit/
+https://indiereader.com/book_review/the-fellowship-of-the-king/

lit/21950794.txt

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+-----
+--- 21950794
+2023 haul
+--- 21950804
+>>21950794 (OP)
+Imagine filling your consciousness up with the thoughts of so many other men. You’re gay on a metaphysical level.
+--- 21950820
+The thing with /lit/ is, if you fall for its memes, you're actually still reading good stuff. I mean yeah, you fell for the memes, hard, but the stuff we meme is actually pretty good so it's not that bad.
+
+Anyone knows if that Pessoa biography is any good?
+--- 21950822
+>>21950794 (OP)
+whoa, not a single good book. that takes talent.
+--- 21950828
+>>21950794 (OP)
+Your house looks big
+--- 21950838
+>>21950804
+Yes
+--- 21950890
+>>21950820
+I think the Pessoa bio is good, but there was one poster here when the book came out who claimed Zenith had a homo-crush on Pessoa thus negatively affecting the quality of the book.
+--- 21950904
+>>21950890
+>Zenith had a homo-crush on Pessoa thus negatively affecting the quality of the book
+Wow it's just the right book for me then!
+--- 21950915
+>>21950794 (OP)
+>t. psedu in their second year of Uni who just discovered jewish critical theory and has decided to go all in
+--- 21950924
+>>21950890
+The writer claims Pessoa was a homosexual. Obvious projection.
+--- 21951103
+>>21950794 (OP)
+>Deleuze and Queer Theory
+--- 21951306
+>>21950794 (OP)
+all of this is great except for queer fucking 'theory'
+--- 21951315
+>>21950794 (OP)
+Coal
+--- 21952916
+>>21950915
+None of this except maybe Benjamin is critical theory.
+--- 21953136
+>>21950820
+I really don't use this board very much. It's filled with bigots I wish would off themselves.
+--- 21953149
+>>21952916
+>maybe
+Based uncertain retard
+--- 21953649
+>>21950794 (OP)
+left i've read
+middle am reading
+right to be read

lit/21950795.txt

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+-----
+--- 21950795
+>people only like Shakespeare because he's been shoved down everyone's throats. He was just a normal playwright. 
+Wrong, faggot, and I'll explain why people think this way. Shakespeare wasn't a genius AT writing plays, he was a genius WHO wrote plays. He was a once-in-a-millenium student of human behavior, but he was writing in a time and place when philosophy was the preserve of the religious and the nobility, so he rendered his observations into a timeless form (literature), of which theater was the only format available to him. He created works of beauty rather than of understanding because the era in which he lived wasn't primed for the sort of changes that understanding brings about.
+He's the Newton of the humanities, whose vision was additive (rather than an Einstein whose vision departed from what came before).
+People aren't interested in Shakespeare because they're interested in plays. They're interested in him because they're interested in genius. People who look to him for Joycian literary innovation are barking up the wrong tree, and it makes sense that they wouldn't appreciate him.
+--- 21950819
+>>21950795 (OP)
+Also, anti-Stratfordians are making the same mistake. They see a dozen masterpieces in different genres and assume that means they were authored by multiple people, because they don't understand that Shakespeare's genius wasn't formal or generic, it was in the study of the human condition. You can track the evolution of Shakespeare's dialectic relationship to the question of life, death, and meaning through the chronology of his plays, with Hamlet as the central axis. Thanks to that anon who recommended WH Auden's lectures, they're illuminating re: the relationship between Falstaff and Hamlet and many other things like that, though I think that Auden misconstrues some "failures" of Shakespeare which were in fact intended to produce mixed or self contradictory effects. Auden also would have benefited from the past century of scholarship which showed eg the lack of props and set dressing on Elizabethan stage, underscoring the similarity between eg the Forest of Arden and the court in As You Like It.
+--- 21950823
+>>21950795 (OP)
+Shakespeare was good when he was alive. Nowadays people like George Lucas and George RR Martin have perfected storytelling to an extend that Shakespeare could never hope to achieve.
+You only like Shakespeare because you think it makes you look refined. In actuality, it makes you weird.
+--- 21950826
+>>21950823
+God even the bait on this board is low effort these days. The
+>any books that will teach me how to get laid?
+posts must have driven off anybody with a brain
+--- 21950829
+>>21950795 (OP)
+--- 21950848
+Didn't care for Shakespeare until I was forced to read othello and saw that he made a jew trick a nigger into killing his coal-burning wife. Was funny
+--- 21950872
+>>21950848
+Maybe literature isn’t for you, bud
+--- 21950941
+What is the best companion to Hamlet?
+--- 21950950
+>>21950941
+The WH auden lecture (in book form) and the Approaching Shakespeare podcast have served me well as I read through his body of work chronologically.
+--- 21950981
+>>21950872
+kek, true
+--- 21950982
+>>21950941
+Horatio. Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are niggers
+--- 21950985
+>>21950982
+Kek
+--- 21951341
+>>21950872
+I read philosophy, not fairy tales. I'm neither a woman nor child
+--- 21952108
+>>21950795 (OP)
+>He created works of beauty rather than of understanding because the era in which he lived wasn't primed for the sort of changes that understanding brings about. He's the Newton of the humanities, whose vision was additive (rather than an Einstein whose vision departed from what came before).
+This is more correct than you realize.
+--- 21953484
+He's the Lebron James of literature.
+--- 21953494
+>>21953484
+Could you give a de-negrified example?