Thu Apr 20 09:18:46 UTC 2023

lit/21888646.txt

@@ -1304,3 +1304,23 @@ YouTube pronunciation videos can be frustratingly over complicated for absolutel
 --- 21930049
 >>21889312
 What a retarded post
+--- 21931220
+It's sad how little ancient literature actually survives to the modern day. Sure, most of it probably sucked, but it would be interesting to read.
+--- 21931311
+I just learned that the Satyricon in its original form was likely an epic longer than the Bible, which is crazy, considering how substantial just the surviving parts of it are
+--- 21931872
+I wonder how much this can be pushed back and still attempt a recitation, not sure why this book represents both the lost /w/ and /j/ with digamma though
+--- 21931935
+>>21931872
+Greek looks pretty. We had a gay little incel (just atrocious physiognomy) at our high school who was studying it by himself a bit. Everyone bullied him. I wonder if he frequents this thread.
+--- 21932825
+>Latin translator also puts the translation in the same meter
+neat
+--- 21933572
+If you can't read this you are a beginner, any other examples of easy texts in your language?
+https://la.wikisource.org/wiki/Origo_Gentis_Langobardorum
+--- 21933734
+>>21931872
+Can you provide a source on digamma also being /j/? I've heard and read about it being /w/, but I can't find anything about it being /j/. If you aren't mistaken (nor are the originators of this hypothesis), then that would be incredibly interesting from a linguistic perspective.
+--- 21934126
+What byzantine literature is worth reading?

lit/21902612.txt

@@ -809,3 +809,93 @@ Interesting that you can roll the clock back 2000 years and it fits
 --- 21930791
 >>21929107
 Troons are related to feminism, feminism is related to the feeling of maternal care that Spengler says is important to the Faustian soul, everything is related and important.
+--- 21930860
+>>21918228
+John Milios
+--- 21930864
+>>21918749
+>nietzsche made it clear he thought brits were subhumans
+Yet another idiotic thought from Herr Nietzsche, not surprising in the slightest.
+--- 21931244
+>>21902717
+nigga you gay
+--- 21931249
+>>21902612 (OP)
+Because they changed the definition of right to be the current liberal democratic malaise hellscape
+--- 21931257
+>>21902717
+--- 21931300
+>>21902717
+huh, so this drivel clothed in a two-penny imitation of Nietzsches prose is what it takes to farm gushing (You)s on /lit/? Bunch of retards after all. Time to leave this shithole
+--- 21931303
+His detractors are
+>but modern progressive values good!
+Why does everything suck then when it conversely was better the less progressive it was? Why are nations with the less "womens' rights" maintaining or increasing fertility rates and not getting slowly replaced unlike those populaces that do have these so called rights that women supposedly deserve. And why is a race dying out not a bad thing? According to progressive values supposedly that's genocide which is a bad thing, genocidal rape is even a distinct war crime running on the same moral arguments.
+--- 21931317
+>>21931303
+>inb4 its voluntary
+It's ckearly not voluntary seeing many people wantbto stop this from happening and we still try to preserve endangered species that get assimikated due to too much cross breeding. Also note how supposedly Africans are the genesis of humanity for thoysands of years but they don't seem to have that inbreeding self destruction thing that's mentioned when other races (namely whites) want to preserve their ethnic cohesiveness but not racemixing.
+--- 21931321
+>>21931300
+Based. Let's leave /Lit/ and 4Chan together and watch a heckin wholesome chungus Contrapoints video together. I'm sick of being so radical. Who's with me magapedes!
+--- 21931334
+>>21931317
+*by not racemixing
+--- 21931921
+>>21902717
+Good explanation, now expand on Spengler and write a dugin-esque neutralization of the modern world order. That is the great roadblock: how to neutralize the toxic progress. This is the struggle of our time... Dugin couldn't even do it, he only provided context...
+--- 21932056
+>>21931921
+There will be no struggle, only a split: Those who will step into the unknown dark of transhumanism, and the left-behinds who will cling to romantic notions of human essentialism and continue to go in the circles of ordinary history. Those two species will simply live apart.
+--- 21932441
+>>21923192
+I don't care that much about Neet, I just vehemently hate and want to exterminate retarded marxtranny faggots like you for many reasons, on of them being this absolutely disingenous 'interpolations' marxtrannies always do, like taking Neet obvious distaste for anglodytes and turning him into a supposed propagandist for tea-sippers. of course a materialist cuck faggot may take the tangential and circumstancial "colonizing niggers may be good" over his more philisophical dislike of limeys
+>lospurdo
+keeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek, thanks for proving me right, faggot. kindly kill yourself now
+--- 21932454
+>>21907072
+I suspect he focused on culture because he believes more or or less all of the potential for the civilization is already contained within the culture.
+--- 21932461
+>>21931921
+The modern era has a lot in common with the era of Qin dominance in the Warring States. Their first emperor notoriously sought immortality and the Qin state was cold, atheistic, anti-traditional until the peasant-lawman Liu Bang ended it.
+--- 21932930
+>>21905870
+>still conservatives in some disciplines like law
+You have no idea how bad it is, everyone is a midwit managerial lackey who gobble up whatever the powers that be serve them
+>t. lawfag
+--- 21932980
+>>21929116
+>Steve Bannon and the Russian government
+You've been brainwashed by the American media. Your enemies are theirs.
+--- 21932987
+>>21929116
+The russian government literally arrests people for "antisemitism" lmao. I dont think you know what you're talking about
+--- 21933002
+>>21932056
+>Those two species will simply live apart.
+The progressives have never left their counterparts alone. Their end goal is a one world government, how can that be achieved while respecting the views of their opponents?
+--- 21933665
+>>21929746
+The lack of metaphysical depth is precisely why other writers can't match Spengler's perceptions. Spengler relates a holistic understanding.
+--- 21933672
+>>21933665
+Spengler's metaphysics are more implied than stated. You have to basically create your own system which could slot into his because he doesnt actually explain its foundation.
+--- 21934007
+>>21902612 (OP)
+Which publisher is the best version?
+--- 21934053
+>>21902717
+All of the people shitting on your post are butthurt libtards upset that you're smarter than they are.
+--- 21934404
+>>21928620
+>>21928770
+There's nothing wrong with an idea being unoriginal. Intellectual stimulation and challenge is not the only point of intellectual discussion: the pursuit of truth and gaining meaningful, working tools to navigate the world are much more important in comparison.
+And even the "you guys all say this" isn't the critique you think it is.
+The reason certain ideas and opinion proliferate so easily here is because they survived the free intellectual challenge that isn't allowed in most other places, where having certain opinions gets you banned from the platform, or in certain occasions can even lead you to lose your economic subsistance or get incarcerated or even become victim of personal violence for you or your family.
+The propaganda anons speak of is top-down and state and suvrastate enforced and protected.
+Also, I'd like to remind you that racism outside /b/ is a bannable offense, yet it spread so effortly even in blue boards, out of pure virtue of the arguments used to support adjacent ideas and the empirical evidences used to support them that anyone can freely examine for themselves.
+
+Finally, I'll add that your type of retoric mostly reveals a intrinsecally anxious, weak, grasping nature that makes you look very aggressive and low in self confidence at once. No wonder the instinctual reaction is to not trust you and steer away from what you say and believe in
+--- 21934424
+>>21912928
+It's been years since I saw a smart Marxist post online, this might be worth interacting with and arguing with later

lit/21909823.txt

@@ -295,3 +295,61 @@ I’m pretty sure that the greatest hits guy is the best-of editor switching ide
 --- 21930141
 >>21930122
 Ah. Are we dealing with a fabulist here?
+--- 21930964
+>>21930082
+>all magazine design going forward is from the drawing board. 
+This might be an issue
+--- 21930995
+>>21930082
+We’re all rooting for you editor anon. You’ve done a lot of work to make a bunch of weirdos feel good about their writing.
+--- 21931885
+>>21930082
+>i lost access to my Canva account so all magazine design going forward is from the drawing board
+3ditor here. I can send over the Canva projects for 008 and 009. Who should I contact?
+--- 21932352
+>>21930111
+Checked. Can’t say too much about why I’m going to jail but I’m pretty sure I posted some actual documents the night I lost it. Pretty faggoty of me afterall. But no, jail doesn’t make things better, it’s part of the war machine and population control. 
+Jet and Fin are old contributors and I trust them. I’ve always encouraged people to take &amp and make it different. I’m excited. I’ll probably help Issue Sixteen and play it all by ear. And thank you. Slay on.
+>>21930995
+Slay queen.
+>>21930964
+>>21931885
+Fucking hero. [email protected]
+Is my new Canva account. 
+God, what an absolute G Mensch.
+--- 21932355
+>>21931885
+Once more, thank you, ancient and illustrious three dimensional editor
+--- 21933105
+>>21911781
+The only thing you need to do is fucking write, man.
+Stop deluding yourself by thinking that all writers come up with a total and completed work and then sit down and finish it in one shot.
+
+Do writing exercises that actually require you to do some background work, scripting, whatever. Get practice for the real deal. Stop jotting down cool ideas.
+
+Write scene sketches and intros and endings and middles and quilt and work from there.
+--- 21933186
+I need to talk to you I know you’re lurking here I know you read these threads I don’t want to resort to making this shit public but what other choice do I have stop stonewalling me I’m so tired I can’t do this anymore I can’t go on like this
+--- 21933256
+>>21933105
+>Stop deluding yourself by thinking that all writers come up with a total and completed work and then sit down and finish it in one shot
+Im definitely naive at best because I honestly thought that's exactly how it was done by real writers.
+>Write scene sketches and intros and endings and middles and shit and work from there.
+Im going to start doing this, starting tonight after dinner.
+--- 21933357
+>>21933256
+if you’re the kind of person who submits to amp no wonder it is the way it is
+--- 21933391
+>>21933105
+>Stop deluding yourself by thinking that all writers come up with a total and completed work and then sit down and finish it in one shot.
+I mean, if it's short enough. I wrote a 5000 word schizo rant in one go that came out pretty kino.
+
+Still gotta suck it up and submit that to traditional mags.
+--- 21933405
+>>21933357
+ok :'(
+--- 21933406
+I know you check these threads I’m losing my mind stop doing this I can’t get calm why are you doing this the silent treatment is making everything worse
+--- 21934383
+>>21909823 (OP)
+dam they still putting these out. Dope.

lit/21912608.txt

@@ -1994,3 +1994,82 @@ lemons.
 >>21929943
 >>21929960
 These read like GPT poems
+--- 21930993
+Förlorad ungdom kommer aldrig mer
+tillbaka. Dina gångna år de vilar
+på minnenas kompost; och regnet strilar,
+precis som timglassanden rinner ner.
+
+Besöken till den plats som ingen ser,
+förutom du, de görs i Munins bilar.
+Du möter gamla skuggor, men de kilar
+snart vidare. Besöken blir allt fler.
+
+Till slut så börjar minnena försvinna.
+Du famlar runt i mörkret efter ljus,
+men hittar inget annat än en hinna
+
+av glömska. Minnet är såsom ett hus
+bebyggt på sand, där Lethe börjat rinna.
+Så drick! och njut av glömskeflodens rus!
+--- 21931322
+>>21930993
+Translation?
+--- 21931373
+>>21929943
+Beautiful and powerful. Capturing the heart and soul of an American icon. Simply transgressive in it's scope and emotion. 10/10
+--- 21931497
+I ponder such a crude, such stiff a line,
+That never ever righteous verse may shine.
+Had ardent fate not struck my heavy heart;
+And into longing lungs swept soothing air,
+I surely would be lost, in deep despair.
+--- 21931697
+Any response is appreciated.
+
+
+I write this as an assignment. It had to be an imagery poem.
+
+Gallow
+
+Sight of the sunglow
+
+As he walked to the gallow
+
+Accompanied him the creaking stairs
+
+As he was going for what awaits
+
+Gentle touch of the rope to his neck
+
+And the sudden sound of the lever
+
+
+*********
+
+Also wrote this one prior to the one above because I did not know it was supposed to be an imagery poem
+
+Drafted he was
+In the motion of the life
+Little did he know
+All was futile but the demise
+--- 21932086
+bumpe
+--- 21932242
+>>21931322
+Don't really have the time right now to give a proper translation, sorry. It's a sonnet dealing with memory and the loss of youth.
+--- 21932321
+>>21931697
+bumpers
+--- 21933250
+hickory dickory dock
+the mouse ran up the clock
+the clock struck nine
+past-tense of strychnine
+and would have preferred hemlock
+--- 21933265
+Any anons ever read Leon dierx or know any good translations of him?
+--- 21933527
+Aching balls filled
+Swollen urges released
+White creamy load

lit/21917809.txt

@@ -663,3 +663,155 @@ I actually download my literature. I told zoomers about it and /lit/complained a
 --- 21930772
 >>21929807
 i still don't think he was raped, he's to old. and the point is the contest. and the victor dances.
+--- 21930986
+I was planning on listening to this on the job. It's just that I have so many books that I plan to read all stacked up at home, but little time to read
+--- 21930996
+>>21929737
+>Not make videos if that is our passion
+Yes
+--- 21930997
+>>21923563
+
+tri-stan I sold sissee narr to ecko
+--- 21931042
+>>21919834
+>Protestant
+>Christian
+--- 21931111
+>>21917809 (OP)
+why do you care what other people read? The book should stand or fall on it's own weught independent of if it is a fad.
+--- 21931180
+>>21917903
+Yeah for real. He's just a content regurgitator, but at least his true crime and paranormal stuff is tolerable. The videogame, book and AR horror stuff makes me wonder what I ever liked about the channel
+--- 21931701
+>>21930425
+>>21930210
+If this is true I can appreciate the subtely, just confirms I wasn't paying attention. Thanks for clarifying
+--- 21931913
+>>21917809 (OP)
+Got tired of shilling to /x/ and realised /lit/ was nascent, huh Wendy?
+--- 21932672
+>>21917809 (OP)
+>wait you actually read the book? Don't you know wendigoon made a video about it
+--- 21932739
+>>21929604
+This "paralumpenprole" is the majority of people in modernity. As the importance of the humanity has declined in an effort to overly concentrate on science, the values of the lumpen have been generalized to every facet of normal society. Lack of effort is the norm, and creativity will decline. There will be bastions of these higher values, but their strength as was before, won't recuperate unless destruction takes place. Ironic considering we're the most powerful nation in all of history, that what we value is inane and frivolously pathetic.
+--- 21932836
+>>21917809 (OP)
+>We are about to achieve a rise of pseudointellectuals
+dude that video is 5 fucking hours long, there's no way a normal dude sit trought all of that
+--- 21932917
+>>21930486
+No, but they are sparsely used in the text. Not as stripped down as 'The Road' iirc.
+--- 21933114
+>>21932836
+The video currently has 1.7 million views
+--- 21933257
+>>21932739
+>will
+has
+--- 21933263
+>>21930772
+it's fucking stupid because the rape part is a null point. it adds nothing to the ending, it's just something edgy fags decided to add to the likely scenario of the kid being killed. the whole ending is the kid accepting his faith, whatever that means getting killed by the Judge or him and the Judge killing the little girl.
+--- 21933333
+>>21919011
+actually you would be far left to them and they wouldn't like you either
+--- 21933336
+>>21933333
+checked and rekt
+--- 21933419
+>>21933263
+>him and the Judge killing the little girl.
+What? There is an interpretation that the Kid and Judge join together and the horrible thing found in the outhouse is what they did to the girl?
+--- 21933475
+>>21933419
+it's one of the theories. I personally think the Judge just killed the kid. all we have to go off from is that the kid was dissatisfied with this life after the gang ceased to be and wanted a taste of violence. The Judge knew the kid would surrender to him eventually and that's why he embraced him.
+--- 21933484
+>>21929676
+Both are retards who incapable of forming a substantive thought. They pretend to read because they know their illiterate zoomer fanbase will think it’s quirky and unique
+--- 21933595
+>>21926609
+>The Road
+Was trash. Something tells me blood meridian wouldn't be any better
+--- 21933717
+>>21933475
+Well we also don't see the Kid at the dance unlike the Judge so I conclude from that he is at least dead. If he had joined up with Judge Holden then I would expect him to be at the dance. His absence is what leads me to conclude that his corpse is what shocks the person at the outhouse. As for the rape, it really doesn't make much of a difference in exactly how horribly the Judge tortured, mutilated and killed him. Just that he did.
+--- 21933774
+I've never watched a single video review 
+of anything 
+and don't think I'm missing out.
+
+During the pandemic I was tempted to 
+buy a camera and, heaven help me, film myself 
+saying shit.
+
+Eck.
+
+Thankfully the madness soon passed 
+and I was spared entry into 
+that particular vestibule of Hell.
+--- 21933817
+>>21922199
+>>21922158
+It's already happening. This came from a twitter thread that was just saying YIKES multiple times and being surprised he's an Appalachian trad-zoomer. I'd give it a few months before people try baiting him into saying some stupid shit about the fags or race relations and then do callouts on him like they did for jontron.
+--- 21933912
+>>21933817
+I can't stand faggots who act like Native beliefs are somehow sacred and important when you know damn well they have no problem mocking Christian beliefs. If you have no issue mocking the pope or Jesus, you should have no issue talking about some dumb woodland cannibal spirit not a single Native actually believes in anymore. Good on him for not giving a shit about it.
+--- 21933933
+>>21919011
+You mental midget. Guenon and Evola were always known in academia but were dismissed as being idiotic and completely focused on their own spiritual fascism than any sort of reasonable political or philosophical idea. And they still are.
+--- 21933944
+>>21933912
+>dumb woodland cannibal spirit not a single Native actually believes in anymore.
+you'd be surprised. The protestants in the North didn't proselytize as hard as the Catholics did in Central and South America.
+--- 21933947
+>>21933912
+Wendigoon is a little bitch Evangelical. He would definitely care if someone offends Jesus or God in a way that is not RC to him.
+--- 21933975
+>>21933947
+Yeah, probably. If he ever goes after someone for having God or Jesus in their channel name, then he'd be a faggot too. However, I can understand someone getting upset at their beliefs being mocked more than I can someone getting upset over something they don't even believe in. Like he said, none of the fags complaining about the usage of the Wendigo even believe in that shit.
+--- 21933988
+>>21933975
+I agree, but it feels off. It is not just in his channel name; his entire business approach is commodifying and simplifying religious and spiritual beliefs for a young, impressionable and ignorant audience. So by HIM naming the channel "Wendigoon" there seems to be a sort of fetishization of the Wendigo as a strange and harmless object of novelty. That's the spirit of his channel in my opinion, which is why I am taken aback by him being a devout Christian, albeit a Protestant.
+--- 21933992
+>>21933933
+>spiritual fascism
+lmao wtf. academics sure are retarded.
+--- 21933995
+>>21933992
+Evola is seen as an eccentric person, who let his own strange experiences of masculinity and so on, form his traditionalist ideas. However, he is in no way a serious writer of thinker, even among fascists. Spengler is a much more respected equivalent.
+--- 21934021
+>>21933995
+First of all, you mentioned Guénon earlier as a "spiritual fascist". Don't back pedal on that.
+Secondly, Evola was not a fascist; he was never a member of the party and was a major critic of them. He was proven in a court of law to not be a fascist.
+Thirdly, Spengler was not a fascist. He hated hitler. Academics like to call the German Conservative Revolution "non-nazi fascism" but in reality they are threatened by anything that deviates from their own leftist agenda. That's how Pat Buchanan gets to be called a "nazi" when he's just an ordinary conservative pre-neocon takeover.
+--- 21934070
+>>21934021
+A fascist is not a Nazi or a politically active member of the Fascist party. Evolas ideas were fascistic, not in a Nietzschean misreading way, but in a logical conclusion of their ideas way. Spengler was not a fascist, but is an example of a respected, pre-eminent right wing figure which was around at the time of Evola. Academics would care about Spengler but not Evola and certainly not Guenon.
+--- 21934134
+>>21934070
+I was still on Spengler when I referred back to academics. Of course no one outside of the academic study of western esotericism would have an interest in Guénon and Evola since that is their domain. They are apolitical figures and described their stance as such. As for the 
+"spiritual fascism" thing, idk man. Is Plato a fascist? How about Moses? I'm not sure what you mean here.
+--- 21934148
+>>21934134
+Evola was a state-sanctioned philosopher, lived and wrote freely in Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany, was a virulent racist and supported Italy's racial laws, was considered a Fascist but most people in and outside of Italy and was heavily involved in the Republic of Salo. Don't think you can just say something and make it so. Evola was a fascist, and an active one at that. To claim he was apolitical is ridiculous. Plato was not a fascist; he existed before it was even conceived. He believed in monarchy by an enlightened ruler (i.e himself).
+--- 21934154
+>shitty eceleb thread
+Even /lit/ is not immune to this faggotry.
+--- 21934188
+>>21917854
+>one of the non-canonical biblical books talked bad about jews.
+Lmao there's tons of stuff showing the Jews to be a bad breed in the Bible - not even just the explicit stuff /pol/ likes to point out.
+--- 21934270
+>more than 4 full days later
+>to repeat for the 2nd time a point in-thread
+tourist alert
+--- 21934407
+>>21934148
+You've changed the goalposts for every post you've made. You called Guénon a fascist and then dropped that. You called Spengler an "equivalent" but then said he's not a fascist. You said a fascist is not a politically active person, which is absurd, and then in your next post you claim that Evola was in good with the fascist party and state (in reality he was regarded with suspicion as an ambiguous, fringe figure and he did not influence policy). Which is it? But it doesn't matter, you've made up your mind. I'll just leave off with the fact that in Ride the Tiger Evola advocates for total apoliticism and that's his final word on politics.
+--- 21934420
+>>21918550
+He isnt white.
+--- 21934431
+>>21932739
+creativity was never a too big thing, most people always were peasants without an internal monologue (as am i)

lit/21917939.txt

@@ -194,3 +194,39 @@ if you'd actually read exodus you would mention that pharaoh hardens his heart f
 Are there dates that can be put to some of these events and people?
 --- 21930597
 Hold up. Is this Jehoshaphat where the phrase "jumpin' jehoshaphat" comes from?
+--- 21931067
+>Solomon is the wisest man to ever live
+>rejects the Lord and turns to pagan gods because of hot foreign pussy
+Well alright then.
+--- 21931082
+>>21929521
+>but it‘s okay because they‘re gentiles
+--- 21931097
+>>21930414
+From David onward, yes. Some stories don't match up with dates and other later prophets use language that dates them pretty accurately. 
+
+>>21930597
+>Nimrod
+>philistine
+>Old as Methuselah 
+Wait until you realize how many turns of phrase and stylistic flourishes are Hebrew filtered through early modern English.
+--- 21931909
+>>21917939 (OP)
+bump
+--- 21933029
+>>21917939 (OP)
+Bump
+--- 21933057
+>>21931067
+Important thing to realize memeing aside. No amount of intelligence will let you escape your worldly passions if you don't keep constant awareness of how and why you're thinking.
+--- 21933149
+>>21933057
+Important thing is exotic pussy be mad good
+--- 21934160
+>>21931097
+>language that dates them pretty accurately.
+Do any stories ever reach contemporaries of Alexander the Great?
+--- 21934200
+What's up with Samson and Delilah? Why did he tell her the source of his strength when she had proven to be a Phillistine agent?
+--- 21934233
+Why did Uzza get smited for touching the ark?

lit/21917984.txt

@@ -405,3 +405,28 @@ Yes by Theodore Adorno, a self-victimizer who seems to interpreted everything be
 --- 21930100
 >>21929987
 See, this is exactly my point. Most normal people when they hear of someone weaponising sex to corrupt people think it an abhorrent thing to do, an evil which should be denounced and prevented, but nothing more than that. Jews on the the other hand think "It must be referring to us Jews!"
+--- 21931293
+>>21927610
+I think the greatest power of parsifal is that the prelude is filled with such melancholic yearning, a longing for something that you're not sure how to reach, but by the end of it Wagner has given you exactly what you desire, something so incredibly peaceful and perfect I can only describe it as the Divine. I know nothing as powerful or as beautiful as the music of Wagner's Parsifal.
+--- 21931299
+>>21929952
+I like the scene between Alberich and Mime in Siegfried, like an argument two Jewish crooks.
+
+https://youtu.be/9vO6F5T7o0M?t=2931 [Embed]
+--- 21931808
+>>21919423
+Can't believe I'm still the only one correct ITT
+--- 21931910
+>>21931808
+Rheingold is interesting for its uniqueness in Wagner's oeuvre but I don't see how it can be called his best work. Maybe his best use of dramatic structure.
+--- 21932060
+His greatest work was telling Nietzsche's doctor the N. suffered from an excess of masturbation.
+--- 21932996
+Wagner's critique of the state and capitalism should replace Marxism. Opera and Drama and the Ring are the manifestos for a new political movement.
+--- 21934349
+>Download a complete Wagner prose works collection
+>It's missing actors and singers 
+>Huh, that's weird
+>Find a pdf scan of the original 
+>Come to this
+Oh so that's why it's missing

lit/21920011.txt

@@ -808,3 +808,66 @@ who is sleeping with Chad on the side
 --- 21930332
 >>21930230
 Anon, I hate to break it to you, but if you're regularly plowing some cute girl.... You are the Chad on the side.
+--- 21930921
+>>21925128
+You're delusional if you think promiscuous women have problems. Here are some facts for you:
+1. the blue pill is still going strong because it plays on hope, something which your average human has high of
+2. men are so desperate nowadays that they'd settle for used goods
+3. a woman has to be extremely promiscuous for talk about her to spread, there's a good chance that she got plowed by many men yet that her future partner will know nothing about that
+4. women can control their libido better than men, probably because they evolved to have much higher standards (this is, of course, tied to pregnancy), meaning that they will carefully pick when to have sex and with whom, as well that fact number 3 will rarely happpen
+--- 21931296
+>>21922868
+Nigga, provide links to the obituary.
+--- 21931550
+I read all the thing, legit felt sad for the guy, legit brutal, 50 years with getting wet for a men is a kind of thing they drive a weak man insane , no wander many incel rope themselves.
+--- 21931724
+>>21920345
+My mind says "he's dumb" but my experience says he's right :(
+--- 21931748
+>>21922372
+Men online often talk a lot about how women "imprint", but seeing all those anecdotes on r9k + my own experience leads me to believe that it's actually Men who get imprinted all too easily.
+I've talked with 10 different friends about this + my two brothers. Every mother fucker occasionally has his memory dwell back on "the one that got away".
+--- 21931821
+>>21924901
+>and when I was living on a sailboat doing a kind of aquatic 'vanlife' thing.
+Tell me more about this, please 
+t. 23 year old about to buy a used boat and refurbish it
+--- 21931835
+>>21925468
+>I think technology may have destroyed that since a nice hoodgirl can just put herself on the digital market and swept up by a dude from the hills.
+Cosette forgetting her hood origins and marrying some uni professional activist baka
+--- 21932617
+BROOTAL
+R
+O
+O
+T
+A
+L
+--- 21933028
+>>21931821
+Get some solar panels and a deep cycle car battery.
+--- 21933064
+>>21920011 (OP)
+I am just getting over a severe bout of anxiety and depression(genetic) and honestly I don't give a fuck if I ever have sex in my life. Having a healthy mind, sleeping well, waking up feeling good and not suicidal is all I need to be happy.
+--- 21933362
+>>21931748
+It's far less likely (unless you're on the higher end of attractiveness and even then still less than female counterparts) to receive such attention from women as an average guy, so of course it sticks way harder. In western society, women hear from literally before they can even process words nothing but compliments, they receive so much attention that they can just coast by even as an a fatter or uglier woman. Men won't hear this stuff past early adolescence without earning it, and it's not usually about appearance as much as something they did. Men have to compete, that's just how it is. Oneitis can be brutal, but guys just have to realize just how many women there are and that one of them is gonna be better than the one they obsessed over.
+--- 21933782
+>>21920293
+Philosophy is meaningless once you realize every human phenomenon is just made by brain chemicals telling what you should do to have sex, directly or indirectly.
+>inb4 that stupid mickey meme
+--- 21934328
+>>21924954
+The way your post is insufferable, stop splitting the sentences and form a cohesive whole.
+--- 21934374
+god, i already want to read the whole thing
+--- 21934393
+>>21933782
+Nice philosophy, is it meaningless too?
+--- 21934436
+>>21920868
+I do believe that and that’s why I donated sperm in the west and plan on bleaching SEA
+--- 21934452
+>>21923631
+Most incels wouldn't refer to themselves as such, i believe. I don't have a gf but i don't consider myself an incel

lit/21921346.txt

@@ -795,3 +795,34 @@ Some of the penguins are in surprisingly good condition, but you're right about
 --- 21930746
 >>21921770
 Most apt response in thread
+--- 21931283
+>>21930576
+>A Portrait Of The Artist As a Young Man
+>Donnie Brasco book.
+What's wrong with that?
+--- 21932084
+>>21930576
+What do you mean by this, unironically?
+--- 21933292
+Does anyone have signed books?
+--- 21933361
+>>21933292
+Several. Some small works that are passion projects. Dubliners (signed by the editor of the annotated edition). A handful of signed Walter Moers books as well which are rare because he's basically Germany's Pynchon.
+--- 21933505
+>>21922361
+where are all your dust jackets? what have you done to them?
+--- 21933609
+>>21933505
+He has to use them to support his sagging shelves
+--- 21933931
+>>21923088
+Should The Great Gatsby be easy enough?
+--- 21933946
+>>21933931
+ESL here. I tried The Great Gatsby as my third English book or so and it was impossible. I had to read some more Murakamis and Pratchetts and Dahls and then I was ready for Gatsby, McCarthy, Nabokov, and Joyce.
+--- 21933971
+>>21933946
+This is looking like b8, but anyway why would you ever read Murakami in English if you're ESL?
+--- 21933977
+>>21933971
+I read Murakami in English because I had already read him in my first language. It made it easier to get used to English books.

lit/21921830.txt

@@ -244,9 +244,6 @@ My mother had an affair with the gardener then divorced my dad. Memes are litera
 >>21924317
 >Memes are literally true. 
 Your mom was just a whore
---- 21924453
->>21924148
-who's the wizard chad?
 --- 21924460
 >>21924453
 Brian Massumi
@@ -440,3 +437,196 @@ Shocker!
 Posts like these are why 4chan is by far the best discussion space on the internet.
 No other website could have a guy just barge into a thread and post such a text, none.
 Thanks anon.
+--- 21930866
+>>21927724
+What's this from?
+--- 21930994
+>>21921830 (OP)
+Imagine Pavlov walking in to a room acting like he’s super confident and smart
+He looks at the dog and feeds him chicken while ringing a bell. Eventually the dog gets that Pavlov want him to salivate when the bell rings while no chicken is present. Why would the dog salivate even when chicken isn’t present? Well the dog knows that Pavlov is a principled man that wouldn’t do something so cruel as to not give him chicken after ringing the bell, also to the dog salivating isn’t very difficult to do so it optimizes it’s effort expended for the reward. 
+This is the principle that all women operate under. You the man show up and think that you’re gonna train someone then they go “meh I don’t really feel like it” if your demand makes them personally uncomfortable, and men having been trained from birth to be respecting of other people’s desires, don’t want to be pushy. This is why women like “stability” in men. It makes their living situation more predictable so they can more easily figure out how to behave to get the most resources they can. 
+Another thing to note is that women like spending time with each other more than they do with men. Problem is is that they’ll get so engrossed with their fake dramas and take it so seriously(much akin to children playing make believe)that they’ll hurt each other’s feelings and then actually get angry, only to make up shortly after when pushed to. 
+Women are literal children. Not metaphorically, I mean literally. Study how children behave due to the fact that their survival is based on “proper” interaction with the person in “power”
+--- 21931029
+>>21926953
+Yes. And do you know why? Because she literally doesn't NEED to be anything other than a wet hole. The millionaire kickboxing champions will still fight over that hole. It's just how things are, anon.
+--- 21931209
+>>21930783
+>>21923233
+Kind of a good point being made here by the Jewish-Christian Schizophrenic (I'll not bother to explain the schizophrenic inversion made in a lot of the paragraphs, because we Romans are well aware that mutilation of the penis causes insanity and it is expected amongst barbarians), that of the fundamental 'misleading' that we're subjected to in parts of the world where we're taught by society that Women are 'pure' and all of those things, and when we learn they aren't it creates actual Misogyny - because we've had Women built up so much and we think that the Woman who is "not great" is an anomaly that we should resent.
+
+For the Jew writing this I will point out that this revelation already came to the Romans, Greeks, Macedonians (whatever names you want) in the mythos of Minerva 'and' Pandora:
+
+Pandora is the scourge of Man, an artificial construct whose chief and only weapon is False Hope; she appears innocent and pure, but her innocence and purity is how she causes all the strife in the world.
+
+Minerva, in the same sense, is an 'idealism' not a real figure; because she's an "idea" born from the brain of Iupater, she is the perfect Woman that Men secretly actually desire; armed with weapons, full of virtue, interested as much in warfare as in art, but obviously exists in no Woman anywhere.
+
+i.e.,
+>>21921830 (OP)
+Pandora 'as' Minerva is an interesting subject along these lines... perhaps also Pandora-Circe-Minerva forms a kind of trinity or spectrum of character study.
+
+anyway,
+>>21923233
+Go back to Carthage.
+--- 21931213
+>>21930236
+There's no strict bimodal split, but there are definitely differences on the level of averages.
+--- 21931221
+>>21930364
+>>21930366
+How's this for a non-personal, non-contextual-feelings-based response: empirical studies find there are psychological differences between men and women on the level of statistical averages, but on any given trait there's likely to be substantial overlap in the distributions.
+https://thingofthings.wordpress.com/2017/05/05/the-cluster-structure-of-genderspace/
+--- 21931225
+>>21930236
+>most of the people who are "confused by women." literally just fail to see that there really is not much difference
+Exact opposite. Women stop being confusing when you just realize they're different. If I work with a big bone in nose Ethiop wearing a leopardskin loincloth and he does weird stuff every day, I don't judge him for it, I just think that's what they must do in the jungle. But if I keep freaking out over I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND *WHY* MBONGO KEEPS BRINGING HIS PARROT TO WORK?! HE'S JUST LIKE ME?! AND I'D NEVER DO THAT?! I'm going to have a bad time.
+--- 21931237
+>>21931221
+https://www.onfiction.ca/2011/02/actor-and-observed-man-and-woman.html
+
+>This team of researchers from the University of Alberta produced a clever study in which 4 story excerpts were chosen, 2 with a male protagonist and 2 with a female protagonist, and these were altered to produce version that changed the gender of the main character. 
+
+>What they found was that both men and women seemed to prefer the stories that featured male protagonists, regardless of whether the gender had been flipped or was as originally presented. 
+
+>The researchers explain this effect in terms of the actor-observer bias. In general, say Bortolussi and her colleagues, men in Western societies tend to be seen as acting in response to circumstances ("he did what he had to") whereas women tend more often to be seen in terms of their personality ("she behaved emotionally"). Thus, for both men and women, our social stereotypes make it easier in stories to understand and to identify with a male protagonist, the kind of character who acts in response to the situation he is in, than with a female protagonist, the kind of character who acts because of her personality. 
+
+It's literally built in to the way men and women work. Even women see women and think "she's not really an agent, she's not really reasoning." Even they prefer to see men as protagonists, because they know unconsciously that only a man can be a protagonist, because a protagonist has to act and react, not just "be."
+--- 21931242
+>>21931225
+You’re replying to a woman, Anon. You can toss a coin to decide whether she’s gaslighting or being retarded.
+--- 21931254
+>>21931237
+How do you separate what's innate and what's the product of society? (Also I like reading stories with female protagonists.)
+--- 21931323
+>>21924317
+Lady Chatterley?
+--- 21931340
+If you want to know about women, go ask a chad. These guys have experience with them and have banged potentially tons of them. They might seem like a prick, but those guys know what they're talking about.
+--- 21931347
+>>21931340
+I always remember this one post by zyzz where he talks about his experiences of women when he was an invisible nerd and now that he's zyzz, and he said becoming a chad has destroyed the appeal of women for him because they are completely pathetic, way more pathetic than any simp man. He thought it would be satisfying to go from zero to hero etc but he says it just makes him sick because there was no triumphant conquest or moment of recognition, women just suddenly begin acting like the most gullible cringe male simp once you pass the chad threshold.
+--- 21931357
+>>21921830 (OP)
+>look at me I'm so quircky and bitch-like
+There. Just watch mean girls. That's what feminity means, being a bitch, feeling special, selfishness, evilness.
+--- 21931385
+you already know what they all want, you just made this thread to circlejerk about it
+everyone knows what all women want, it's not something that needs to be explained
+--- 21931404
+>>21931385
+Yeah, a 7’0’’ CEO of vapmirism who listens to her problems between explosive bouts of BDSM sex.
+Unfortunately, men fail to live up to her expectations, so she’ll have to settle for beta bitch bf she can abuse while fucking a coke-dealing yoga instructor on the side.
+--- 21931413
+>>21931340
+>>21931347
+Oh I got this when I was 15, try to talk about it later in life and people think you're crazy, or on here and you're called an incel lol
+
+To this day it's as simple as going out with a baggy coat and seeming like I'm fat, to get zero attention, and then not and suddenly getting the attention. Absolutely gross mentality, and you know it's mostly white urbanized women who are like this.I have never experienced the same from other women, almost never.
+
+And then ... I suppose it's kind of an ethnic thing; like, I'm not depressed about not having sex or being with awful people like that, I'm more... errmmm ...feeling some old genetic knife in the brain that would come from seeing all of the other chimpanzee women in your tribe having been shot by hunters, or something like this.
+
+It is an integral part of the psyche that has to be worked out for a person in their own mind, anyway, it's ridiculous to minimize it, >>21931385
+--- 21931417
+>>21922179
+Is the grass here in the room with us right now, anon?
+--- 21931418
+>>21931413
+>or something like this.
+or having some horrible leprotic condition. That's probably a better example, since we can't just bury the bodies and fondly remember them. It's like THE BEACH where the shark attack victim is just there, perpetually screaming in agony for months from his wounds, reminding us all the time that we can't just enjoy the beach.
+--- 21931420
+>>21931413
+women do not have a psyche, they're very simple things and everyone knows what their nature is and it's >>21931404
+--- 21931423
+>>21931404
+as a 7 foot CEO of Vapmirism who enjoys explosive bouts of BDSM sex I can assure you that women do not like this anymore. They prefer a man in a pink dog collar with a tiny penis who looks to them as a sexual mother figure.
+--- 21931431
+>>21931420
+except that only applies to urbanized white women. If you want romance and a proper relationship you can easily find this with uncontaminated women, probably just women who don't grow up on english language media.
+
+Then again, west european women have been exactly like this for centuries, with no media to influence them, so it can't really blamed or excused. It shouldn't be tolerated either, this is where I disagree with you. If, like me, you're unconsciously troubled by having mixed race children, then I'm sure you can buy a ukrainian womans womb for a few hundred USD to take care of that problem.
+--- 21931432
+>>21922149
+Height and extreme facial attractiveness are the only two 100% guaranteed ways to appeal to women, and even the latter isn't enough on its own as handsome manlets really put the -let in manlet. Height is by far the most important thing. Women will take tall and 5/10 over Blue Steel face guy who is 5'6". 
+
+Everything else is status. If women know you're famous or have authority in the social milieux and environments they frequent, you are an honorary tall man. You can even be disgusting or ugly as long as you have some kind of high status attached to you. Fame is best, second place goes to "local fame" or everybody within a social milieu respecting you and deferring to you, third place goes to visible leadership roles and hierarchical status of any kind. At the lowest levels, women are instinctively more attracted to any man who orders other people around than they are to the men who are ordered around. You have to be somebody. If you are somebody in a general way (also known as fame), women will pull their own arm off and cudgel another woman to death with it just to fuck you, even if they don't like the thing you're famous for doing and have barely any idea who you are. 
+
+You can do social experiments with this. If you can get a woman or some women to think a random guy is famous, they'll suddenly be interested in talking to him. It's like their pussy is a science fair project, and if he stops at their table and looks at their project for a long time instead of the other projects in the gymnasium, it means they're the winner. Everybody is looking at him and thinking "wow, her project must be so great, I'm nothing compared to her." There, if you want to understand women, reflect on that because it's basically their entire consciousness.
+--- 21931435
+>>21931225
+Anon, women literally don’t know what they’re saying half the time. They basically do something and then come up with a reason for doing it after the fact
+--- 21931469
+>>21921830 (OP)
+fear
+--- 21931479
+>>21931431
+What constitutes 'mixed race'? Are you a Slav?
+--- 21931604
+>>21931479
+No I'm old Scottish-Norman, from my perspective I think race-mixing would be to have a daughter who looked like Jordan Price(that orange blonde) who is clearly a Sami, like most of you ubermensch dwarfs with your tiny wee eyes and your obviously foreign faces. Sorry sorry, my real point was about having kids with a Muslim or a Chinese girl or even a South American, an East African, etc.
+--- 21931676
+>>21931604
+So what constitutes being the same race?
+--- 21931736
+>>21931676
+Probably just blood and genetics, in the sense of ethnos. Partly the horrible feeling about white women is that they are naturally awful, perhaps the worst, and this reflects quite poorly on the group.
+
+Centuries of tortoises, too timid to stand up to a Woman, springs to mind, as the same kind of theme and dynamics can be recognized of western women today and for centuries in the past, going back even to the early Makedon-Greek accounts of weak barbarians "led by women" who lived north of the danube.
+--- 21931745
+>>21931676
+2/2, still in the same sense, Esther Vilar writes correctly about this: history shows that the male brain, or the baseline barbarian brain, is so badly stockholm'd by their own oppressive culture that they'll actually make-pretend they're in charge as they go about their day spending their entire time serving Women, even flattering to the pretensions of Women that Women are being oppressed, as it serves their own ego as empty words of self-aggrandizement to distract them from reality.
+--- 21931767
+>>21921838
+women tell you how they wish the world was, not how it really is
+--- 21931824
+>>21931767
+this spinster has taken to growing a pubis upon her head, perhaps even she was born with a masculine-like genitalia, but her mind will always display what she is. It is as you say.
+--- 21931827
+>>21931824
+This isn't real, right? This was a major plot point in 1984
+--- 21931867
+One Thousand and One Nights
+--- 21931922
+>>21931736
+Genetics, sure, but genetics how in particular? What genes?
+--- 21931964
+>>21927724
+>>21930866
+A Hero of our Time - Mijaíl Lérmontov
+--- 21932202
+>>21921830 (OP)
+The first ten minutes of this (referring to the content of the lecture, not whatever intro shit there might be) were eye opening to me.
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0cFE0pg2_I&t=2317s [Embed]
+--- 21932204
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLDQVLuBbiw [Embed]
+--- 21932223
+>>21932202
+This feels weird. Do you think if I were naked on the stage and she poked me with a stick to elicit reactions and demonstrate male anatomy, all the women in the audience would go "ohhhh!" like Japanese people do?
+--- 21932247
+>>21923233
+t. incel
+--- 21932249
+>>21932247
+neck yourself simp
+--- 21932337
+>>21932223
+If the audience were Japanese, sure. Some of them might just nap though.
+--- 21932623
+>>21932249
+You're pornsick, leave the cave.
+--- 21933053
+>>21932202
+>”that “do I measure up?””
+Jesus Christ women literally don’t understand simple thank yous without engaging in deranged psychopathic dialectical rhetoric about perceived “value”
+--- 21933137
+>>21931922
+Not that anon, but according to Spengler genetics is just the biological realization of the innate race-ideal, which is itself the realization of a certain primordial image. 
+
+For the western European modern man (who, let's be realistic, comes in every shape and colour and but is easily recognizable as a specific phenological type) the democratic ideals of "democracy", "freedom", and "capitalism" rule. This ethos is what allows them to timidly accept a "sexual marketplace" whereby women can freely and democratically choose to sleep with a vast number of her "peers". For the semite, man is created in the image of God, women in the image of man, so women must be inferior and their natural and highest place is one of absolute submission to their husband, as their husband must submit to God. The Hellenics take it even a step further, creating God in the image of man, and therefore seeing the highest beauty in the form of a beautiful young man- women being either grotesque parodies of the supreme man or a vessel by which a man's seed can be carried to fruition and which should be owned as property.
+--- 21933310
+>>21931209
+>we Romans are well aware that mutilation of the penis causes insanity
+Go on...
+--- 21933422
+>>21931432
+
+Someone one else finally understands that height is the single most important PHYSICAL (read: not overall) male attractiveness trait. Not face, not dick size, not muscles. 4chan is filled with terminally online idiots who refuse to understand this truth (they are filtered through what the see on their screens) and who lack RL going-outside experience points to realize its basic truth. Heightism=promotions and pussy. Everyone intrinsically trusts them.

lit/21922118.txt

@@ -533,3 +533,401 @@ if he was to have his own homeland, why is BAP not shutting up about what europe
 --- 21930803
 >>21930505
 .
+--- 21930920
+>>21922118 (OP)
+what did this swedish negro mean by this?
+
+>https://unherd.com/2023/04/is-racism-the-new-socialism/
+>One of the leading voices within this subculture — a person going by the nom de plume of Bronze Age Pervert — recently had details about his real identity posted online by a rival within these online spaces. BAP, it turned out, was actually a Yale academic from a fairly well-to-do background, with many connections inside what Donald Trump would probably deride as “the swamp”. Unfortunately for his online stans, however, he was also Jewish.
+>Normally, a person being Jewish is hardly cause for scandal or even concern, and certainly not an online civil war. In an online environment where people openly praise Hitler, however, that sort of factual reveal is pretty awkward. Indeed, BAP himself clearly had a habit of playing with fire here, posting tweets such as “I’m an Aryan supremacist and believe in the extermination of hundreds of millions”, all to loud cheering from his many fans.
+>To the shock of absolutely nobody, however, it turns out that the Nazi Germany fandom still has something of an antisemitism problem, even in 2023. The result is many of his former fans feeling legitimately betrayed, while other, more loyal fans have been fighting a bitter battle to try to explain why the online racist movement can’t afford to judge people merely based on their ethnic background, because groups of people are really just made up of individuals that can be good or bad. Imagine that.
+--- 21930933
+>>21930920
+>These people have worn many masks before, and they will wear more masks in the future, until liberal society recognises them for who they are and finally gives them the only thing they really care about: a white-collar email job, ideally one that carries a little prestige and can be performed remotely.
+keked
+--- 21931171
+>>21928180
+>calls his ancestors cucks
+your dysgenic kind exposed itself subhuman. your squirming and kvetching is delicious. Pagancuckery is troonism in it's perfect form.
+--- 21931193
+>>21930803
+>disingenuous reply
+even your pictures are same. How much is JIDF paying you pagancuck?
+--- 21931222
+>>21931171
+Permitting previous generations to defile your bloodline out of a de facto reverence to ancestry in all its forms is pretty direct cuckolding.
+--- 21931228
+>>21931222
+>pagancuck now abandons ancestors too
+literally rootless subhuman and disconected cuck, that's what you are. you have no ideology, no will nothing. That's why you are non-entity only good to be laughed at as the ultimate form of cuck there is and will ever be.
+--- 21931267
+>>21931228
+Ew, projecting.
+--- 21931331
+>>21931228
+you are brown + circumcised
+--- 21931355
+>>21931228
+No one but Troon libtards believe in the pagan gods. The inspiration from paganism is their believe in strength. The Christian believes in forgiveness for black rapist monkeys.
+--- 21931705
+>>21929405
+Justify being a normie centrist type
+--- 21931923
+>>21931705
+No.
+--- 21931969
+>>21930640
+Correct, that's the main problem. I personally believe if more Jews transition towards Karaite Judaism and outright reject the Talmud, there's the small possibility for the mending of relations towards Jews. The teachings of the Talmud create hostility towards non-Jews. It shouldn't be a large obstacle; the Talmud isn't considered a holy book, it's just a matter of practicality for them.
+
+I see is as an issue of, 'be subjugated or become the subjugator.' After the Bar Kokhba revolt was crushed by the Romans and they were banned from their land, it necessitated a radical worldview for their survival. Now, after 2000 years, they have their land back. However if they push too hard and get everyone in the world mad at them, they're sitting ducks in the middle of a desert where they can be zerg rushed by millions of Arabs.
+
+Ultimately it's none of my business what they do with themselves; fighting to not be a slave to Jews is my only concern. I believe most reasonable Jews will be quite pleased to learn the whites of today don't have the imperial ambitions of the Romans, nor would be interested in a tit-for-tat enslavement of the Jews as retaliation; merely just to get them off our back.
+--- 21932468
+>>21931267
+>ew
+tranny lingo
+>>21931331
+>repeats same response after being btfo
+you are getting more desperate pagancuck
+>>21931355
+>No one but Troon libtards believe in the pagan gods
+true plus stormcucks who want to believe them. 
+>forgiveness for black rapist monkeys.
+no rapists will be punished like pagan gods got punished for their nigger behavior
+--- 21932476
+>>21922550
+>one of the biggest right-wing voices
+Maybe in twitter lit circles. 
+I've yet to hear any /pol/ types actually like him even before it became known he was a zionist jew. 
+Even the NRx crowd never really caught on with them beyond laughing at their libertarianism.
+--- 21932539
+>>21928763
+>hard "right"
+>open proponent for pornography which zionists, which he also openly admires, use in warfare to desensitize the occupied enemy
+Yeah I can't see why anyone would have any qualms about this guy at all.
+--- 21932620
+>>21928760
+>It worked, the line didn't hold, but your enemy now ideally wants to absorb that solvent away and build a new line and fortification, the coagula phase
+huh, that's a neat image. I guess the most hyperbolic example of that would be liberals (and not just the crazy online types, but people with respect and jobs and wealth and friends and marriages) are weirdly associating with jingoistic iconography and political positions like NATO, democracy building yadayada. They are very clearly moving into a psychologically conservative mode and funnily adopting some formerly conservative positions. Concomitantly chudcels are trying their hand at appropriating countercultural demeanors and we even sometimes sound like Reds in our broadsides against globalization. This isn't surprising because the socialist left is free real estate, nobody who is anybody in the regime believes in it anymore (also the 1% is extremely hebraic so it might be a hate crime to eat the rich). Side note: this seems to be why interesting figures like the author of this article >>21930920 are cropping up, people who are obviously leftists but get accused by the regime of being chuddies. Truth is chuddies and leftoids are both in the political wilderness and they might get down n' dirty there (insert stalin hitler marriage image here)
+--- 21932705
+>>21930505
+But you believe that Europe stopped being Christian when they abandoned Eastern Orthodoxy in the 500s.
+--- 21932837
+BAP counter-signalers come off as pompous catty women
+>oh he doesn't DO anything! 
+>all he does is promote a LIFESTYLE 
+>hes not a REAL intellectual
+what would you rather him do, become an irl dictator? assassinate a politician? 
+he is a great public intellectual, I dont know what you expect. maybe you just hate the physique posting culture because you feel left out as a flabby aging 30-something with a big ego, I dont know.
+--- 21933200
+>>21932837
+>Half of thread is about him being jewish and why that create obvious issues amongst the Hitler fanboys that are a large share of both his own public and "dissident right"
+>Starts rambling about the criticism of BAP is how "he doesn't do anything"
+?????
+>
+--- 21933255
+>>21932837
+>what would you rather him do
+Well, Costin's whole thing is some kind of weird Nazi-Likud alliance, so if he were serious about that he could get his Zionist pals to start giving money to dissident causes. Like, go buy Mike Enoch a new microphone or whatever, or direct people to Pagan organizations, or name drop tradCath bishops, etc. He doesn't have to do anything physical or whatever, he just has to point people where to go.
+--- 21933571
+>>21932539
+He's not in favour of pornography. He thinks you can't ban it which is true look at China/Russia. Being square about sex is not a winning issue. The left is going to start moralising more about sex - big age gaps for instance. Also attractiveness is just subversive in a culture that pushess for shit like fat acceptance. Beautiful bodies was a part of the Nazi aestheic and is Greco-Roman.
+--- 21933590
+Are there really lots of Christians that love Hitler but hate BAP. The Nazi movement was fundamentally pagan. Hitler hated christcucks and pretty much had the same attitude as BAP.
+--- 21933605
+>>21933590
+Hitler definitely did not have the same attitude as bap about one particular subject lol
+--- 21933607
+>>21933571
+>He thinks you can't ban it
+We can and will. The only way out of this mess is a generation or two of enforced morality.
+
+>B-But how do you guarantee that YOUR morality is the one being enforced!
+Because I am better, smarter, and stronger than leftist faggots.
+--- 21933620
+>>21933607
+I'd be in favour of a Christian or Islamic government way over what we have now or any other kind of lefty shithole. I'd happily submit to theocracy. I just think the religion isn't true and increasing numbers of people won't believe it. Third Reich is better though and it's not Christian at all.
+--- 21933623
+>>21933605
+He could be an honourary Aryan or go to madagascar.
+--- 21933631
+>>21933620
+The ideal is a Platonic government. You must swear belief in a transcendent Good. You can conceive of this Good however you want, as long as you don't fuck with others who swear by it. There are some basic precepts, like don't rape kids and do respect nature and don't mutilate your child's body and so on. Jews, Muslims, Christians, Hindus can all agree on that shit. Then obviously specific regions will just be predominately Catholic or whatever. 
+
+The goal is to make the minimum possible loyalty oath to a greater good that allows you exclude evil weirdos without telling people how much fish they can eat every April.
+--- 21933633
+>>21933623
+I know but they very much disagree about the extent to which a "mafia" exists and how much power it has.
+--- 21933668
+>>21933631
+This is just liberalism but with stopping kids getting mutilated because you can't make consensual decisions until you're at least 16. Which is also wayyy better than communism. True liberalism is a good form of government (Its basically America and Britain before WW1) but I think the problem is people vote to end liberalism so it's hard to maintain in Democracy.
+
+>>21933633
+IDK I think he talks about Jewish power and subversion a lot actually.
+--- 21933676
+>>21933620
+>>21933631
+Christcuckery and Mudslimery are traditions for icchantika. You are undeniably going to suffer for countless kalpas, and I will explain way.
+First it's important to understand secular liberalism is an outgrowth of Christcuckery. Your culture is still fundamentally Christcuckery at its core. 
+The issue with Christcuckery is the belief in a "progressive evolution" via converting others to worshiping your disgusting, oversocialized Jew, such as what happened in South America. In the case of secular liberals, it's about worshiping material progress and science & technology and converting people to materialism. In both cases, there is an illusion of progress and "renovating/perfecting the world" until the Second Coming (whether that's AI or your disgusting Jew). It boils down to deferring one's "original sin", or imperfect state, until the savior can arrive and set "everything right".
+Islam is stupid because of how much it is against iconoclasm, a practice that goes back thousands of years in humanity. People have lost their heads for simply worshiping or kneeling towards an ancient tree, a natural impulse in those whose souls are not rotten by the spirit. The "Seal of the Prophets" effectively renders the population retarded, stagnant, and even inbred.
+Interestingly, the border that divides them is blurry in many cases. For example, Shia(t) and Christcuckery have more metaphysically in common than Shia and Sunni. This is because Shia also believe in a savior to "set things right", but the narrative's underpinnings are different.
+Granted, Islam is MARGINALLY better than Christianity. Why? Because it is preferable for a population to be retarded and inbred than do Faustian bullshit like transform the world into a largely interconnected system propped by an industrial system with retarded abstract shit like SWIFT, GDP, etc. We are living in ways that are completely at odds with the vast history of humanity. Human beings were meant to live in small-scale homogeneous groups as a sparse and noble species, but it was snownigs who changed this with the Industrial Revolution. This is why I consider snownigs, in some sense, the most inferior race, for their Faustian drive has effectively paved the way to both their own extinction and the enslavement of the entire natural world. People are expected to adapt to a semi-autonomous technological-industrial order, which is against their evolutionary drive, and if they don't, they are berated by snownigs like that savage Scottish bully fag. So many species are going extinct now, communal cultures are eroding around the world, overpopulation is becoming an increasing problem, autonomy and self-reliant ways of life stripped. Not a single positive thing has come from your nefarious Holy Spirit or notions of teleological progress.
+If I had my ideal way, I would take over Iran, and slaughter every single last Abrahamist in all of Europe & Middle East. I would burn all the architecture and scriptures.
+--- 21933681
+>>21933668
+>IDK I think he talks about Jewish power and subversion a lot actually
+He talks about it as an emergent phenomenon of liberals and communists just being petty dumbasses, many of them being jewish. That's his model, not a mafia model.
+--- 21933698
+>>21933681
+IDK man I think anyone who is so far right they are paying attention to BAP is pretty redpilled on the Jews. Bigger problem are the Christcucks who can't sanction killing, eugenics, war, inequality, patriarchy.
+--- 21933701
+>>21933676
+>how much it is against iconoclasm
+how much it supports iconoclasm*, which is ridiculous because the worship of symbols and natural phenomena go back thousands of years*
+I misremembered the definition of iconoclasm.
+--- 21933715
+Just look at Costa Rica and Amazonian rainforest. They're getting deforested at an accelerated rate. For what? To just export some coffee and other goods to snownigs?
+It's not just human beings involved in this shitshow or drama either.
+--- 21933716
+>>21933676
+The Nazis prove that industrial technology does not have to make life worse. Nietzsche wrote on this, civilization is mostly hostile to good life and good genetic quality but there were exceptions like the Greeks who used civilization to make life better not worse. Not just the industrial reviolution, the agricultural revolution made life worse for most people but it is possible to make it better than it was for hunter gatherers. Nothing is pre determined a based benevolent dictator or ruling class could make life more beautiful than anything that has previously existed.
+--- 21933728
+>>21933698
+Do you not understand what I'm saying? "Redpilled on jews" is not a precise statement. I'm explaining the difference between the conspiracy model and the "well they just tend to be commie dicks" model.
+--- 21933729
+>>21933715
+Nuclear weapons are a big part of the pussy world we live in now because they protect states from aggression and mean they don't have to rely on their fighting men. However, they also shield any state like North Korea from invasion so any kind of organisation within a state is possible if a dedicated party seizes power. There is no determined future or ideology, a sustainable kind of eco-fascism/communism is possible if you are concerned about the environment.
+--- 21933745
+>>21933716
+>The Nazis prove that industrial technology does not have to make life worse.
+You're an idiot who cannot think on a systems level and shouldn't have ever learned to read or write.
+Technology proliferates, retarded faggot. It's semi-autonomous in a sense. It also leads to shit like creating a global economic system rather than valuing self-sustainability, ecological stability, etc. It also leads to spread of pollutants, non-biodegradable waste, and so on. It also leads to war on a scale that has never been seen before, where all heroism is dead, and you should have learned this from the Cold War, stupid snownig.
+>Not just the industrial reviolution, the agricultural revolution made life worse for most people but it is possible to make it better than it was for hunter gatherers. 
+I hate archeofuturists like you so goddamn much. I can sympathize deeply with primitivist ethnonationalist like Varg, but archeofuturists like you deserve the bullet. I recommend necking yourself. You are not a good or honest deep thinker. 
+>Nothing is pre determined a based benevolent dictator or ruling class could make life more beautiful than anything that has previously existed.
+The trajectory of this large-scale industrial network is to strip man of his autonomy and privacy. The elites throughout history have typically wanted one thing: greater control. If they have the means to invade our bodiily autonomy and so on with "Internet of Bodies", data mining capabilities and booming cloud computing field, they will.
+Also, you've already lost, dumbass. Amazon AWS and Micorosft Azure datacenters are all over the world, and in a sense, they have more protection than even the government. The elites are international and monopolizing on data. As Klaus Schwab said, "Data is the new gold". Don't underestimate how much predictive power clean data can give to ML algorithms. Now imagine if this data is constantly being connected by edge analytic devices and sent in real time to cloud servers for real-time processing and fine-tuning of predictive models.
+
+Retards like you should be shot or have the mouths sewn shut. You shouldn't even attempt to debate me. Instead you should be asking questions so I could clarify more and teach absolute imbecilic morons like you.
+--- 21933746
+>>21933728
+I think he is also much more redpilled on this than you realise. A popular saying in BAP world is communism is a biological phenomenon i.e. so many Jews are communists because they are ugly weak bastards biologically. He gets this from Nietzsche and frequentlly cites him - that the Jews hated and subverted the Roman values of strength, beauty, wealth and glory because of their own resentment and weakness. Christianity is the epitome of Jewish values that the ugly, poor, humble downtroden are better than the handsome, competent, rich and proud aristocrats.
+--- 21933758
+>>21933746
+I still dont think you're grasping the difference here. One group believes there is a literal mafia running the west. A small group of people who consiously conspire, and give marching orders to the feds, the federal reserve, high level politicians, etc. In this model this mafia controls NATO and is probably based out of Israel and the US. Some people even try to say they control Russia and china but I think that's a pretty fringe belief. 
+
+This is not the same view of reality as saying "jews are more prone to being communist because of x trait". Its obviously a potentially related topic but it's not the same concept whatsoever.
+--- 21933762
+>>21933729
+Ulrich Horstmann provides the solution in my mind.
+Where I disagree with Ulrich Horstmann is in his desire to eradicate all life. I, on the other hand, want to eradicate all of humanity only. This global mistake of industrialization and mechanization of man shall not be forgiven.
+If I could talk to Kaczynski, Klages, or Linkola, they would agree with me ** at this point **. After Big Data started growing in the 2010s, it is finished. There is no going back. All your political ideals, whether left or right, are COPE at this juncture.
+The only solution is to kill off all humanity. In this sense, people dying, whether white or non-white, is fundamentally good.
+I am not prepared to die however, so I have simply decided not to have kids.
+Human beings, in a sense, have forsaken their Buddha nature, soul, or "inner light". The only solution is too slaughter them all, preferably through a bioweapon.
+EVERYONE should die, not just x or y race. 
+
+I predict birds shall evolve and form advanced traditional societies, thereby inheriting this Earth. I say give them a chance by annihilating humanity.
+--- 21933765
+>>21933745
+Techonology is somewhat determinist but not completely. Different political structures exist with access to the same technology. I think about the possibility of total digital control the same way you do. Do you have a goal or politcal ideology or are you just black pilled? You can always assisted death yourself.
+--- 21933772
+>>21933765
+I'd rather kill you, honestly. People like you are a bigger problem than me. You are so zealous, dehumanizing, anti-life over shit that cannot be improved in the least at this point. When problems start piling up, that leads to new emergent properties that cannot be predicted from studying individual components alone. Since the industrial revolution, it has been nothing but novel problems piling on top of each other, forming new intricate conundrums. 
+>Different political structures exist with access to the same technology.
+Every single political system will be subverted by the technocratic internationalist elites at this point, so why give a shit about it? Why should I give a shit about your snownigger race, or even my own, when there are so many novel problems?
+>Do you have a goal or politcal ideology or are you just black pilled?
+My goal is to kill people like you, which is 99.99% of humanity, and I can achieve this by doing nothing. The eventual "evolution" of humanity into an unrecognizable species is guaranteed within a 100 years, or its more preferable complete extinction.
+--- 21933775
+>>21933758
+I think Jews are a group with enourmous power and money with a feeling of deep ethnic loyalty that they exercise politically. I think they have a particular ethnic resentment for whites. I don't think they are all powerful masterminds who control all of society. 4chan wouldn't be allowed to exist if they could stop it. Antisemitism is getting pretty wild on the internet atm you see it everywhere, which is hopeful.
+--- 21933792
+>>21933772
+Then don't worry it will all be over soon.
+--- 21933799
+>>21933775
+Right thats my point, its two different views. They will point to stuff like Epstein or the coordination of the Corona rollout as evidence for the conscious conspiracy model. Some people think its Jesuits rather than Jews incidentally, jews being middlemen of a sort. 
+
+4chan exists imo because it doesnt matter. They are obviously much more concerned with Twitter. There are still no actual organizations that espouse this far right stuff because the feds will immediately shut them down and banks will all blacklist them. People squawking on /pol/ simply don't matter much and they just shill it so much its barely usable anyway. If anything it's good for them if potential dissidents stew on 4chan accomplishing nothing, it's a harmless outlet for their anger.
+--- 21933804
+>>21933772
+My parents had a better life than their ancestors 2 generations before and my great grandparents had a better life than the average Roman citizen. This seems to disprove the idea that the industrial revolution makes everything worse. Not everyone is as depressed as you.
+--- 21933807
+>>21933792
+Yes, I'm worried because the elites benefit from shenanigans like BLM. What makes you think they won't fund a WLM protest too? The technocratic elites maintain control by alternating between left and right; they are like architects who consolidate power via creating controlled dialectics. They can consolidate power during periods of chaos, and as automation increases, they have less need for the rabble.
+At the end of the day, I don't want to die from the insipid rabble's riots. I shot a nignog during a home breakin. Will I have to shoot a snownig "pepe race war" fag next?
+I still find things to enjoy in life even though I know the future is destined for shit. I'm not a sanctimonious snownig who always feels he has to act like his manufactured political opinions will change everything on large-scale for the better. I realize how advanced and methodical the technocratic elites' methods of subversion are.
+Why do you think they keep 4chan up?
+--- 21933815
+>>21933804
+Your descendants won't even be like you at this point. They're going to be full of brain-cloud interfaces, cybernetic implants, ways of internalizing the world that seem non-human and even more mechanized, and so on.
+What does it mean to have a "better life" anyways? More material comforts? No, life is supposed to be about self-realization within a stable tradition without causing more damage to the environment (than need be). There is a deep mystery in reality that is fundamentally non-abstract and not captured by the discursive mind, but you materialist fags completely dismiss it because you are soulless morons. Morons like you would never truly understand Han Shan.
+
+The Industrial Revolution has basically turned Original Sin into a reality to those who have deep metacognitive awareness and intelligence. Why should I give a shit about your race outside of avoiding trouble for myself? Han Shan danced in the clouds, but now he is crying from them.
+
+Just shut the fuck up, man. Know your place.
+--- 21933818
+>>21933799
+What's your model for how the control works?
+
+ BAP doesn't recommend any facefag political action because you will ruin your life. Just try get money, life a decent life, insulate yourself, prepare for any regime change or get a position in the security state. I think the whole Fuentes Kanye episode has moved the window on acceptable opinion but anyone involved with that will get their life ruined if they're doxxed.
+--- 21933828
+>>21933815
+>Everything is terrible and will get worse
+>What does it mean to have a better life?
+
+Are you retarded?
+--- 21933831
+>>21933828
+Life is not defined by humanity or interpersonal relations, you soulless piece of shit.
+There is no truly transcendent poetry within any of you fags. When you die, during your last moments, you will most likely hear rock & roll shit whereas I will hear a cathartic, profound poem.
+You morons are devitalized and have nothing to do with your ancestors from even 200 years ago. Now what about your descendants in 100 years? They'll be even less like you because this shit is accelerating since big leaps in various technologies in 2010 and beyond. The last thing on my mind is saving your shit race when it started these high magnitude problems.
+We are all factory farm animals in some sense, but unlike you shackled morons, I can sometimes see the sky away from crowd.
+Either get used to how political "improvement" is futile post-2010 or just kys.
+--- 21933834
+>>21933807
+4chan is kept up because it's not illegal yet in America. The technocratic elites are competing with each other. The possibility is there for someone to use the masses to gain Caesar power. Trump could have done it if he was less retarded.
+--- 21933836
+>>21933818
+>What's your model for how the control works?
+I dont know honestly. I dont think the conspiracy model is definitely wrong the way many people do, but at the same time conspiratorial thinking is by its nature guesswork, since its object is necessarily hidden. So it's easy to get carried away by confirmation bias and start seeing ghosts. This is just an inescapable difficulty. 
+
+I can see arguments being made for both conspiratorial and more "emergent dynamics" kinds of models. Depending on what precisely I've been thinking about I kind of go back and forth over which is more likely. Corona and Epstein did both make me veer a bit towards conspiracy though.
+
+>BAP doesn't recommend any facefag political action because you will ruin your life. Just try get money, life a decent life, insulate yourself, prepare for any regime change or get a position in the security state. I think the whole Fuentes Kanye episode has moved the window on acceptable opinion but anyone involved with that will get their life ruined if they're doxxed.
+Yeah it's good advice for sure. Fuentes is almost certainly some kind of fed from what I can tell, and kanye is literally an insane rapper, so that entire thing was a clown show.
+
+The only paths I see actually working are all some variation on a military coup. Either the military itself does it when exposed to enough propaganda, or a demagogue like Trump inspires one and has the balls to pull it off. Neither of these plans involves joining some facefag org that will immediately be 50% glowies. Though it's not inconceivable that someone like Fuentes could play a role disseminating propaganda to people in military and intelligence, so I guess he could have an upside. But getting involved with him is obviously asking to be sneeded
+--- 21933839
+>>21933831
+Then go read your Chinese poems and stop getting mad on the internet. The machines will deal with me soon enough.
+--- 21933842
+>>21933834
+>4chan is kept up because it's not illegal yet in America.
+No, it's kept up for either social engineering or predictive programming. The elites will manufacture and fund something like WLM in the future.
+>The technocratic elites are competing with each other.
+They're not. Black Rock and Vanguard have heavy shares in most.
+>The possibility is there for someone to use the masses to gain Caesar power.
+It's not possible anymore. Spengler would change his views if he were alive now. He would change his views after learning Data Science and Cloud Computing.
+>Trump could have done it if he was less retarded.
+Trump was controlled from the start, retard. He pretended to be like a Paleoconservative like Pat Buchanan, but when he got power, he just did what the establishment wanted. In fact, I vividly remember seeing a video where he admitted to such a strategy, but I lost it and believe it was removed from the Internet.
+
+Presidents don't matter anymore, retard. It's think tanks who work in close coordination with data analysts and others that decide the big decisions, and most of them are just puppets to mega multinational firms like Black Rock.
+--- 21933843
+>>21922118 (OP)
+Great discussion of literature
+--- 21933866
+>>21922132
+I just think their barbarian larp is ironic considering how most of their prominent voices work in silicon valley and government.
+--- 21933868
+>>21933836
+Yeah i think we're pretty aligned. I hate them as much as you do but I think it's emergent.
+
+This is why I think BAP is effective. You get people to disengage from the current regime - you ridicule it and don't support it but don't break the law. Accept that things are going to be bad and think about the future. Yeah, all irl orgs are 100% glow niggers but you can still do it if you are in a position where you can't have your life ruined by doxxing. You just get as much power and money and prepare for any regime change. 
+
+Trump could have done military coup and possibility is there in the future. The military is totally dependent on white men as its warrior class and is now desperately advertising to them in 0 diversity recruitment videos. The right should talk more openly about Caesarism. Once you get in you have full power to fire all the generals and put your own in. You can do some competence test for IQ and fitness across the whole military and then promote the demographics that support the Republican party. Low IQ filters out blacks and certain height or strength requirements can select for whites and men while making it look objective.
+--- 21933874
+>>21933866
+There are lots in the military. What barbarian blood supposed to do in todays world?
+--- 21933890
+>>21933874
+No such thing as imperial elite barbarians that's for sure.
+--- 21933901
+>>21933868
+I dont hate Jews kek. I have jewish family and once dated a Jewish girl, I also had a bunch of jewish friends as a kid. That doesnt mean I'm just going to discount the possibility that a mafia of their coethnics exists. It has nothing to do with average Jews. I do find their "muh chosen people" thing deeply annoying but it doesn't make me actually hate them. I dont hate any ethnicity, thats just silly to me; average traits dont negate that it's the individual who matters on a personal basis. 
+
+I dont have anything against bap really. I used to actually like him quite a lot for his animool posting and humor and stuff but I have been a bit put off by some stuff he said in recent years. I still think people who rage at him are misguided though, he seems basically well intentioned.
+
+Trump 100% could have done it but it's obvious he never had any intention of doing so. A sad story because it's possible that opportunity will never happen again.
+--- 21933906
+People should pay close attention here:
+A Jew is pretending to be a white nationalist for a long period. What does this tell you? That there is reason to believe Jews want to support *kosher* WN movement in the USA. Even American Renaissance has Jews behind it. The Jew can be white or nonwhite whenever convenient. He could always just assimilate but not *quite*. He could help get rid of the "colored folk" *now*.
+This is how they consolidate their power: By keep things in limbo within a controlled dialect. Hitler, in fact, may have been propped up by Jews to send Europe into a devastating senseless war with Russia as Christopher Jon Bjerknes defends. There is a reason Celine claimed he was switched by a body double!
+If you constantly think in short-term based on the scapegoats THEY create, then you will always fall into their matrix, which has a Judeo Messianic quality. The only two possible solutions are to either collapse the industrial order or end the human race.
+What the Jew fears most is people of all races coming together against them.
+--- 21933922
+>>21933901
+If I hated Jews I'd hate BAP. IDK if he's even Jewish, like grew up with the religion at all, I have no idea and don't care. Most whites are pretty useless. Ethno-nationalism is just basic for a healthy politics. Multi-ethnic states always have to be ruled by some kind of tyranny or religion to overcome the differences and ordinary politics dissolves into tribal difference.
+--- 21933925
+>>21933922
+>>21933901
+Be sure not to trip on the yarmulkes when you leave your offices, Shlomos.
+--- 21933942
+>>21933922
+I thought that's what you were saying with "I hate them as much as you do". 
+
+I am quite chauvinistic about my own particular ethnicity, which I think is just natural and healthy to like your own people, but Jews just take it to an obscene level. Calling everyone else "goyim" I mean ffs, how do you not expect people to dislike that?
+--- 21933948
+>>21933890
+And no such thing as "barbarian blood" when referring to WASPs or other such old sectors of society.
+--- 21933951
+>>21933948
+Regardless I don't think this new age will have many barbarians. If any at all. But if there are to be any no one posting on rw twitter is going to be one.
+--- 21933953
+>>21933901
+>that opportunity will never happen again
+
+I think the possibility might be there forever if politics doesn't get sensible again. I don't really see how politics will get normal again either. Maybe Spengler was right and we are just in Caesar period.
+--- 21933958
+>>21933951
+>>21933948
+
+The Russians are the barbarians atm.
+--- 21933960
+>>21933953
+They will comically rig every election forever going forward
+--- 21933962
+>>21933631
+>don't mutilate your child's body and so on
+>Jews, Muslims, Christians, Hindus can all agree on that shit
+Are you unfamiliar with what Jews do to their sons' bodies?
+--- 21933963
+Given Jews have such an obsession with scapegoating themselves and others like gentiles and chicken during Kapparot, I say they should be scapegoated with such an intensity that it basically produces its own Kabbalah where the Jews do not contain the contracted light from the tzimtzum, where they become the gentiles. I say all of humanity, from all of the spectrum, should unite and end this insufferable race once and for all.
+You Jews are some of the most demonic and persistent bastards I've ever seen. For how long have you been pretending to be two WNs, debating amongst yourselves? The lengths you'll go for deceit and manipulating the narratives of the masses is insane. You are basically a miniature intelligence agency yourselves.
+There is no way you people are human. Your top rabbis must know something, whether it is something like an extraterrestial possessive force or parasite that spreads from the matriline. 
+I'm starting to think you Jews have some link to Saturn. There is no way you are human beings with such persistence at molding the narratives of the gentiles according to your Messianic prophecies.
+--- 21933966
+>>21933942
+I do hate the ridiculously subversive ones that know what they are doing. Jews are intelligent and have made many great contributions to the west but I'm generally opposed to Jewish values in the way Nietzsche was and their insane oversized influence in our countries.
+--- 21933969
+Really, you two Jews should cease further discussion amongst yourselves. At this point, you are starting to resemble AI.
+--- 21933974
+I'm starting to think most of these WNs who go "pepe race war" are just Jews trying to make people scapegoat whites more.
+It's time you Jews stop. The more you do this, the more I will pick up on your patterns. I'm starting to understand how you better work, so it's best you STFU now.
+You've been exposed.
+--- 21934020
+>>21933958
+I do think that if there are going to be barbarians taking over da woost they are probably going to be Russian/slavic (and maybe spic or hispanic)
+--- 21934108
+Happy birthday
+--- 21934305
+>>21933676
+christians buck broke you obsessed troon. You are that brown iranian subhuman who belongs to slave race. Your mental breakdown here is the true face of pagancucks. History proves pagancucks to be slaves of abrahamics in every aspect be it industry, art, science or war. Your buddhism is also most ccucked and feminine religion there is that's why all buddhist cucks have done in history is sit under tree and watch how their nation stagnate.
+--- 21934320
+>>21933698
+>Bigger problem are the Christcucks
+pagancuck is the kike. BAP subhumnas are truly just jewish fags poisoning the well. On the day of rope every single "neechean" cuck will hang. You will have special place in between troons and fags.
+--- 21934323
+>>21933590
+hitler hated pagancucks too
+--- 21934369
+>>21933571
+>He thinks you can't ban it which is true
+why? because a certain ethnicity would feel attacked if you banned it? really makes you think
+--- 21934387
+>>21922118 (OP)
+I read Celine and I don't get at all how he is supposed to be this total maverick, cynic or misanthrope. 
+He provides free medical services to people in need. He is just a cute little christian with a mopey facade, like a literal children's cartoon character.
+--- 21934389
+>>21928656
+>Fascists could see this and say we are the avant-garde, our principles are our principles, we don’t want to be accepted and have our chuddiness compartmentalized and
+fascists are the products of the bourgeois revolutions. Fascism is the atheist version of monarchy: being obsessed with being told what to do by a few generic bureaucrats turned into control freaks in order to secure their positions, since fascism being part of atheism and its circlekering over bureaucratic trifles, they have no external supernatural justification for being here, contrary to kings who claimed God put them in charge.
+any solution to atheism will not be found with an new -ism from the plethora of -isms the atheists created due to their freedom of opinion and freedom of speech.
+--- 21934396
+>>21934320
+>"pagancuck is the kike. BAP subhumnas are truly just jewish fags poisoning the well. On the day of rope every single "neechean" cuck will hang. You will have special place in between troons and fags.", the frail man typed furiously and laboriously, with a sense of motherly security granted by his anonymity, nursing the violence of his impotent power fantasies, too oblivious to see that he was the very definition of ressentiment, and that "the day of the rope " would remain, like the pearly gates, a vision of something beyond himself, beyond his own life
+--- 21934406
+>>21933746
+>>21932837
+BAP is a moron who benefits from 20-yo atheist males who have fuck all idea about life and yet are addicted to politics thanks to all the public servants and merchants teaching this to the peasants over the last 200 years.

lit/21922275.txt

@@ -396,3 +396,35 @@ the book is about Krakauer not Chris
 --- 21930073
 >>21929710
 I'm here to discuss books. I dont care about anything else
+--- 21930968
+>>21929710
+idc
+--- 21931820
+>>21922701
+Chris wasnt in "the wilderness" he died within a few hours of a McDonald's and the only reason he died is because he didn't have a map of the area, so he wasn't aware of the tram that would have made the river crossing easy and he didn't know how to actually preserve meat or probably any food.
+
+He went out in nature with zero preparation and simply slowly died of starvation. That is what has happened to many people. If he could've escaped he would have. He's not a hero he's just some dumb guy that constantly got lost anywhere he went, lived like a hobo, constantly got rides and free shit from people, worked shitty wagie jobs for extra cash when he couldn't hack it himself and finally gracelessly expired in a abandoned bus because he over estimated his abilities. Anyone on here idolizing him is lying otherwise they would be in Alaska now eating potatoes and shooting caribou. he's a joke and it's sad so many people seem to think he's some sort of mascot for their desire to go hiking.
+--- 21932681
+I've just started this book, but I'm already enjoying it. I don't think I'm going to analyze it and debate much over the nature of civilization over it. That would be a waste.
+I don't know what this genre is called officially, adventure? Journalism-plus-embellishment? 
+It's a great genre though, and its biggest gifts are not for debates but just for reading and enjoying a good story of a crazy guy.
+--- 21933161
+>>21932681
+>Journalism-plus-embellishment?
+
+"New journalism" maybe
+--- 21933234
+>>21932681
+I agree. I approached the book in the same way and.found it to be an enjoyable read. I think sometimes people forget that not everything has to be some heavy, deeply meaningful, insightful work in order to have merit. It's a cool story about a sort of weird/interesting young man's adventure. I liked the movie too. The music was very nice.
+--- 21933249
+>>21924084
+Krakauer claims at the end of (an updated version of) the book that whatever the kid ate wasn’t toxic, rather it likely had some sort of mold on it. I don’t remember the specifics of his case.
+--- 21933321
+>>21928772
+What's the point? As you said, we have different opinions, so it's likely that any paragraph I post won't change your mind. Besides, to weigh a non-fiction book by single paragraphs is foolish. 
+>>21933249
+I know what you are referring to, however that updated theory is actually dated. Research was done which showed that there wasn't sufficient evidence to suggest that the mold was prevalent enough in the area for Chris to have consumed it in deadly amounts. The theory I have been telling about is actually from the most updated version of the book, and Krakauer was actually involved with the lab work and research, which I think is commendable. Whatever people's opinions on him as a writer may be, they can't deny that he is truly invested in what he writes.
+--- 21933439
+>>21933321
+
+But really if you look at his pictures ont he site, he was starving to death. The guy was steadily getting skinnier and skinner, and then by the time he was going to walk out of there, he was too weak to make it and too weak to find food. So literally he starved to death.

lit/21923762.txt

@@ -271,3 +271,67 @@ That's a man, innit?
 what's the Tom Clancy boomer-canon?
 --- 21930651
 >>21923762 (OP)
+--- 21931044
+>>21923817
+>How many years
+2 and you should be reading every entry in its original language
+--- 21931147
+>>21925630
+Perfect.
+--- 21931159
+This ass just gets better every time I see it.
+--- 21931170
+>>21931159
+I don't get the appeal, I like it too because it's a woman's ass but it's not that great. Plus the shorts squeezing it are doing a lot of the work. It's just your standard kinda flabby kinda still good because it's an ass white woman's ass. 
+
+You ever think about how weird it is that we're conscious beings who put an IR telescope at a lagrange point recently and our women are still basically baboons?
+--- 21931187
+>>21931170
+u gay bruv
+--- 21931215
+>>21931187
+Aim the shotgun at your brainstem, not your frontal lobe, when you finally do it.
+--- 21931783
+>>21924497
+The Western Canon is only 150 books at best. You could have finished within 10 years if you didn't bloat it.
+--- 21931895
+>>21930442
+That’s a fit woman, dumb dumb
+--- 21931898
+>>21925630
+>I don’t get it 
+It says “aromatherapy” right under nose. This is what passes for humor with zoomies
+--- 21932030
+>>21925601
+Exactly, but to the trained eye it appears as if this is a photo of a "dumb" kind of person, the kind of person who dresses like that to go out in public. she is attractive PHYSICALLY but personally I run away from anyone who walks around dressed like this these days.
+--- 21932040
+>>21929720
+>faggy game
+
+kek, so true.
+--- 21932042
+>>21925601
+Just imagine her walking around with her left nipple exposed! How dumb that would be.
+--- 21932370
+http://sonic.net/~rteeter/grtalphaa.html
+--- 21932765
+>>21931170
+
+Oh man the way you described it made it even hotter.
+--- 21932786
+>>21931170
+
+I'm only speaking for myself here, I don't know your background and what you do for work. But I'm definitely closer to Baboon than putting IR telescopes into space.
+--- 21933010
+>>21923846
+some guys will fuck anything huh
+--- 21933152
+>>21933010
+>still pretending she isn’t attractive.
+--- 21933573
+>>21925556
+shitting/pissing in
+--- 21933578
+>>21923762 (OP)
+>"the canon"
+I bet you that babe has got a huge braaaaap 'canon' heh.

lit/21924046.txt

@@ -75,3 +75,42 @@ Because Dzogchen practice is based on a teacher directly introducing you to the
 --- 21930793
 >>21929142
 Which vajrayana school is the least corrupted?
+--- 21931030
+>>21928923
+if you told a mahamudra practitioner that dzogchen is more noble you would probably piss them off (unless they have abandoned the fetter of ill will of course)
+--- 21931032
+>>21930793
+none of them are corrupted
+--- 21931035
+>>21931030
+in order to lose the fetter of ill-will, you need to follow buddhism, not some tibetan guru addicted to his brainfarts
+--- 21931036
+> asking for religious guidance from 4chan.
+--- 21931877
+>>21930793
+is not about the school but the guru,you'll found good and bad gurus in every school
+--- 21933659
+>>21924046 (OP)
+Find a teacher. Research their credibility. E.g. steer clear of New Kadampa - I think they’re mahamudra any way. Get transmissions. Dzogchen can only be understood through dharma transmission. Practice. Practice. Practice. Our pristine mind is a good book, and I think the dude does transmission online, idk if that works though.
+--- 21933667
+>>21925828
+Holy shit. Shut up.
+--- 21933674
+>>21928923
+Maybe by dzogchen lineages. But Theravada lineages would say the same of vipassana. Every lineage would say that of their central practice lol.
+--- 21933852
+>>21933659
+I don't practice Dzogchen, but I'm confident online empowerments work
+--- 21933857
+>>21925828
+>are supposed to
+What do you mean "are supposed to"? They're not. It's not meant for you. Nobody is marketing this to you. If you're into this stuff, nobody said it had to be easy.
+--- 21934257
+>>21929802
+>a teacher directly introducing you to the nature of your mind
+
+how does the teacher do this?
+--- 21934271
+>>21927279
+>or you just can download it from torrent?
+It's impossible to understand religion by simply reading books. You would be deluding yourself otherwise.

lit/21924125.txt

@@ -109,3 +109,96 @@ And I mean love between human beings, not some abstract "love for God/Good/whate
 --- 21930782
 >>21924138
 kenogaia is kino, guy (uh)
+--- 21930817
+>>21930779
+>'Love in The Western World', Denis de Rougemont
+--- 21930949
+>>21930817
+I was looking for an answer not a book rec
+--- 21930950
+>>21927986
+https://oraedes.fr/Kirjasto/Pages/Encyclopedie/Medias/Medias_Antiquite-expliquee-representee-figures.php#_
+--- 21930980
+>>21930949
+Yes, Gnostics value Love for it is the manifestation of divine Pneuma. However, there are different strands of gnosticism.
+--- 21931060
+>>21930980
+Which are the main noteworthy strands
+--- 21931086
+>>21931060
+You will find everything you need through your own intuition and endevour. Have faith.
+--- 21931203
+>>21924586
+based. kill all gnosisniggers
+--- 21931280
+>>21924125 (OP)
+Learn traditional astrology (Robert Zoller’s medieval course is a good start, then move onto Hellenistic/Perso-Arabic translations). Gnosticism (or any occult practice) was not simply philosophy, they were meant to be followed in conjunction with an understanding of your own nativity at the very least
+--- 21931493
+>>21931280
+The heimarmene are to be left behind
+--- 21931906
+>>21931086
+This is the essence of Gnosticism
+The pearl will reveal itself to you.
+--- 21931945
+>>21930653
+plenty of gay sex in the history of gnosticism, you're just showing your own ignorance now
+--- 21932059
+>>21931945
+>obsessed with the antinomian cults like a good goy
+--- 21932674
+Bump
+--- 21932685
+>>21925592
+>>21925598
+sauce? this looks fascinating
+--- 21933487
+Probably a common question, but do any of you have good book recs on the connection between Gnosticism and secret societies?
+--- 21933972
+>>21933487
+There aren't any, fuck off back to /pol/
+--- 21934080
+>>21933487
+The closest specific link between Gnosticism and a secret society I can think of would be the way Chinese Manichaeism influenced the White Lotus Society, and how remnants of the White Lotus Society still influence organized crime in China today through the Triad groups.
+--- 21934098
+>>21928296
+>unimaginable suffering of sentient life 
+>but it's pretty 
+What the FUCK is the demiurge and its archons problem?
+--- 21934100
+Prove to me that gnosticism isn't just a trendy (more) contemporary retelling of an older story with the "actually the villain is le good guy" like fucking Wicked
+--- 21934111
+>>21934100
+>prove to me [ancient thing] is not [le contemporary thing]
+GPT post
+--- 21934122
+>>21934111
+I made it relative :(
+--- 21934131
+>>21934098
+being the engineers of matter's entelechial background
+--- 21934133
+>>21934131
+“Why was such a cruel cosmos made? I heard that this continuum was a wastebasket, an entropy sink meant to create energy for the Ulteriors.”
+
+“That was not the first intent. Entropy entered this continuum only with the Inflationary Epoch, caused by those primordial Ulterior beings who entered this timespace with and during the Big Bang, and thereafter wished not to obey. The Hubble expansion thrust away all contact with the outside beyond the boundary of light.”
+
+“Why?”
+
+“Pride. They wished to dwell in a separate sphere, far from those who loved and ruled them. The engrams of these creatures were imprinted in the very fabric of spacetime itself during the act which created the expansion, before the primal nebula from which the eldest galaxies condensed. The Primordials, by this, rendered themselves immune from the entropic decay they imposed on all life and matter, all things beside themselves. They had neither location nor extension, but ruled all. While the cosmos lasted, they could neither be opposed nor escaped.”
+
+“How? If these were the true foe all along, why did no one tell us? And yet … somehow … I think every man somehow knows the true enemy is always like this: unseen and all-powerful, great as all space, and old as time itself.”
+
+“Fortunate for us that there are those even greater and older, who, from compassion, entered the continuum to tell us how to escape it. These Primordials also were those who wounded the original mind ... They will be reconstituted, and for every death and wound and sorrow their acts inflicted on the innocent, an infinity of torment awaits them.”
+--- 21934136
+>>21934131
+My friend is having trouble parsing this statement. He's so stupid haha. But ya what did you mean exactly?
+--- 21934151
+>>21934136
+>walks into gnosticism thread
+>posts "archons are the engineers of matter's entelechial background"
+>refuse to elaborate further
+>leaves
+--- 21934159
+>>21934151
+>actually stays and quotes themselves with a chad image

lit/21924241.txt

@@ -84,3 +84,12 @@ My God what a cute cat.
 --- 21930152
 >>21924298
 That version is a little under 700 pages in total, with 70 of that being introductory materials. Pages are also kinda thick, and the font is fairly large
+--- 21931053
+>>21926109
+how do i make this bitch my WIFE??????
+--- 21932072
+>>21931053
+If only anon, if only...
+--- 21933714
+>>21924241 (OP)
+Read Book XII today, my son.

lit/21924936.txt

@@ -239,3 +239,154 @@ GOP voters are overwhelmingly proletariat. This contradicts nothing.
 --- 21930784
 >>21929356
 Stop being disingenuous, i consume Beer on a daily basis
+--- 21931628
+>>21926062
+>Thsi isn’t related to the thread, anon.
+it is, it show that leftists are the most bootlickers of all
+--- 21931640
+>>21926060
+> The wealthy are privileged in many ways, and must recognize that they have a moral obligation to use their advantages for the common good.
+Imagine thinking you are owed something by anyone because you exist as a human.
+Stopped reading right there.
+--- 21931646
+>>21926060
+>Muh AI
+
+arent leftists the ones wanting to ban AI for stealing their furry art porn even though they dont believe in intellectual property
+--- 21931649
+>>21928261
+Prove him wrong
+--- 21931737
+>>21929356
+>>21929356
+What books do you rec, bro?
+--- 21931756
+>>21929356
+Complete name of this guy, couldn't find anything about it.
+--- 21931901
+>>21931628
+Liberals are not leftists. The post falls flat and might make sense to the bue-pilled tards on pol, but not here, in the real world.
+--- 21931926
+>>21930542
+Yes. Community takes care of the invalids and free of charge. Not so hard when profit motives are removed as the sole social driver.
+>pension
+Can a voucher not be issued for the retired simply for being a resident? Will it be needed at all?
+After the transitionary period everyone won’t even need the vouchers, so I doubt the elderly won’t need anything issued to them. But it’s always up to the community to decide how they’re going to do things.
+--- 21931929
+>>21931901
+and yet most leftists are for state transportation, schooling, redistribution, taxation, foreskin removal, healthcare...
+
+you increase the govts power by voting for nationalization of everything and then say its late stage capitalism that is increasing the government and then you claim to be revolutionaries, suck my big nigga dick you absolute retard, may AIDS be with you and all your family, be for real baizuo
+--- 21931937
+>>21931926
+No one cares retard
+--- 21931967
+>>21927113
+This is retarded and so was freud, anything living avoids pain because it's unpleasant, being dead is also a better state of being provided you can endure the pain required to get there. Everything in this paragraph completely dismisses the avoidance of pain as a motivator.
+--- 21931981
+>>21931967
+>anything living avoids pain because it's unpleasant,
+>>21927113
+>whose function is to assure that the organism shall follow its path to death,
+>to maintain its own existence in the face of every obstacle
+>the organism wants to die only in its own way
+
+>Everything in this paragraph completely dismisses the avoidance of pain as a motivator.
+Everything in that paragraph questions the origins of that motivator
+--- 21931986
+>>21931967
+This is not true, predators pain for gain
+--- 21931990
+>>21931981
+>Everything in that paragraph questions the origins of that motivator
+yes because the author was fucking retarded.
+--- 21931992
+>>21931926
+> Community takes care of the invalids and free of charge
+Community takes care of EVERYONE free of charge. Don’t be a traitor to the revolution
+--- 21931998
+>>21931990
+>the avoidance of pain as a motivator... err... it's just is, mkay?
+No, u.
+--- 21932001
+>>21931998
+>No, u.
+There you go avoiding pain again.
+--- 21932044
+>>21932001
+For the last time: the "avoidance of pain" explanation is NOT denied, retard.
+What the paragraph stresses, is the conditions BEHIND your "avoidance of pain" explanation.
+
+Ultimate vs proximate causes. Do you comprehend what you are being told even? Teleology, long-term positive feedback loop, evolutionary dynamics, cybernetics, Complexity Theory, no? Too deep for you?
+--- 21932057
+>>21931929
+>Liberals are not leftists
+Learn to read.
+--- 21932065
+>>21931992
+Community also needs some labor. But there’s plentiful hands and less capitalist supporting kinds of jobs. Work wouldn’t be such a burden, and occasional “lazy” person won’t suffer (or shouldn’t) much ridicule.
+--- 21932083
+come on, comrades. lets show these capitalist pigs how much better socialism is.
+
+i will lay around all day doing nothing except fucking women and enjoying myself, and you guys can do your part by feeding me and providing for all my comfort. this will make those pigs envy us and we will topple the capitalist exploitation.
+--- 21932093
+>>21924936 (OP)
+>Towards a New Socialism
+Because the Socialism they've been using hasn't worked yet...
+--- 21932137
+>>21932093
+Yeah. Marxism and the statist variety they used was too regimented and centralized. Both western and eastern capitalism are corrupt though. One just had no real desire to branch out in a “neocolonialist” paths. 
+And they suffered a lack of innovation in computers, so yeah. Read the book. 
+The issue is complex
+--- 21932147
+>>21932093
+You know how evolution works: keep adjusting until it finally goes through bottleneck. That's how we got cheetah species, all descended from one last surviving pair ~12 000 years ago
+--- 21932282
+>>21932137
+No one cares retard.
+>>21932147
+No one cares retard.
+--- 21932489
+>>21932282
+>sentence fragments
+--- 21932822
+>>21926060
+yes, yes...
+--- 21932834
+>>21926060
+>Communism is inevitable.
+
+You people have been saying this shit for 200 years. Well? We're waiting. We've BEEN waiting.
+--- 21932838
+>>21932834
+They dont even know what "communism" is supposed to be. They can only explain it in the vaguest terms or it starts to sound ludicrous "uh yeah people will just volunteer to be coal miners even if they dont have to". The entire thing is just a reminder that humans are a joke
+--- 21933201
+>>21932834
+>>21932838
+We do. It’s just that Marxiods want to go through a period of, …well, China/North Korea 
+>vaguest terms
+>HEY, WHY CANT YOU PREDICT YOUR DREAMED OF FUTURE BETTER THAN, SAY A FILM PRODUCTION CAN PREDICT
+I have painted a fair enough picture on several occasions. But it’s pretty hard to predict the future, you know? Yeah, you know damn well. 
+>no one will get the coal anymore! We’ll have take slaves again!
+1. Wrong. 2. Many will find ways to do without. Coal consumption will certainly go down.
+You remind me of how much of a joke you are.
+--- 21933248
+>>21933201
+>Coal consumption will certainly go down.
+Is it going down to zero? If not who is mining it? Who is going to clean public toilets and the thousand other unpleasant tasks that need to occur?
+--- 21933760
+Profits above people sounds a stupid idea in the long run to be honest. Don't know how someone can defend this view, must be pretty retarded to be honest
+--- 21934180
+>>21933248
+>Is it going down to zero? 
+Why would it? 
+>If not who is mining it? 
+Miners
+>Who is going to clean public toilets and the thousand other unpleasant tasks that need to occur?
+Workers.
+
+>>21933760
+They sure are.
+--- 21934425
+>>21932057
+What is the definition of “liberal” and of “lefty”? Americans seem to mix the two, and blur its definition.

lit/21926578.txt

@@ -577,3 +577,237 @@ Its just cultivation. The hand movements are how they make their chakra(chi) beh
 Its cool, but the series abandons it almost immediately in favor of innate techniques and inherited chakra properties.
 --- 21930708
 An underrated but comfy aspect of Lord of the Mysteries is when he pretends to be a socialite; either hanging out at the divination club, the club as Sherlock, the country club and/or country estate as Dwayne and pretending to be an entire city
+--- 21930846
+>>21926578 (OP)
+>Reading Dark Forrest
+>Chapter where the 200 year jump happens
+>"So anyway EU is unified, Quebec is free and Russia annexed Belarus"
+>"These are the only changes"
+Obviously the book is from 2008 but I laughed my ass off from the post-Brexit implication that Ireland is still divided and that the Scots got fucked while leafs got divided
+--- 21930917
+>>21930527
+There's a few main ladies, two in particular that are most prominent. Neither are quite like Lady though, different in their own ways.
+--- 21930918
+>>21930577
+Oh then it's not that much of a time sink then. Thank you anon
+--- 21931017
+>>21929688
+Infinite realm
+--- 21931214
+Vance>Herbert
+--- 21931370
+>>21929157
+ARDATH, YOU BITCH
+--- 21931664
+>>21930558
+If grimdark is your poison, empty the cup.
+--- 21931692
+sounded great from the few phrases i saw on wikipedia before reading
+>Using remotely controlled robots called "soldierboys" (which are nearly invincible), the Alliance military fights third world guerrillas in an endless series of economy-driven wars.
+first half or third was great and exactly what i expected, but damn the rest of it was lame
+
+any other recommendations for what i thought this was going to be? thinking 'genocial organ' at least, but there's probably many more
+--- 21931755
+is Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell worth reading?
+is it even sff?
+--- 21931773
+>>21931755
+It's worth reading, and yeah I'd call it a fantasy novel.
+--- 21931777
+>>21931773
+Nice, thanks.
+--- 21932107
+>feeding gpt3.5 all the notes from my schizo world building journal
+>it helps me refine it into an actual narrative
+Machine learning is pretty cool ngl
+--- 21932116
+>>21931755
+It has a rather pragmatic off beat take on magic, which makes it something like a curiosity.
+
+It some weird kind of low fantasy that is almost historical fiction, which should make it palatable to a very large audience.
+--- 21932122
+>>21928970
+>Gormenghast trilogy is terrible flawed
+What did he mean by this?
+--- 21932229
+>>21932122
+Titus Alone, that's the flaw he's probably referring to.
+--- 21932257
+>>21932122
+>>21932229
+That was actually the next question the interviewer asked.
+--- 21932320
+>>21930708
+>tfw waiting for Lumian to finally have his first tarot meeting
+--- 21932453
+>>21932257
+I liked the professors, they were fun.
+--- 21932879
+>>21932257
+I haven't read those books but now I intend to.
+If it is what I'm guessing it is, it sounds like the school parts of Harry Potter... if that make sense.
+Also are there any books like what I just described? Just people kind of hanging out and perhaps a situation happens?
+--- 21933045
+>>21932879
+>it sounds like the school parts of Harry Potter
+No.
+--- 21933074
+>>21932899
+>translation from CHINESE to english
+>it's a webnovel nonetheless
+why oh why do you have the autism to force this
+--- 21933081
+>>21933074
+Autism is no longer required with the power of automated posting. Truly a new era of lowest effort forced memes is upon us.
+--- 21933284
+I got to a chapter in Scorioland 2 where its like the author was worried he was losing his LGTBBQI2KEKcred and mentions a lesbian relationship ABD makes a point of someone enforcing they'them pronouns in a single page
+--- 21933296
+>>21926578 (OP)
+Newfag to scifi here, I have recently read a couple scifi books which I thought were not bad, "A Fire Upon The Deep" and "Children of Time". I would like to read things like this but more learning towards the sciency side, like where its involved descriptions of ayy lmaos and AI and stuff, and less about the characters and story. I also like Blindisght and the 3 body problems and Speaker for the dead, because they also have interesting descriptions of aliens and stuff. 
+
+Is there some kind of a list for this stuff?
+--- 21933315
+>>21933296
+might as well just get right to it and go straight to the man himself, Greg Egan. start with Permutation City for some mind-uploading, consciousness-on-a-chip fun. What you are looking for is "hard sci-fi". Neal Stephenson gets pretty technical and info-dumpy as well - try Snow Crash or Cryptonomincon or Anathem (if you like western philosophy)
+--- 21933318
+>>21933296
+>sciency stuff
+Try Quarantine by Greg Egan if you like quantum mechanics. The whole plot is just an excuse to tease out layers of quantum weirdness. No ayys though.
+--- 21933344
+>>21933284
+It's weird to bring up a they/them character considering it's somebody we don't actually fucking meet. Also there was a typo that I THOUGHT was meant to be a trans thing (male character says his previous incarnation got to Blood Baroness, but since there's ZERO reaction to that and the character is pretty clearly said to be just fully male later on, I'm pretty sure it's just a typo unless it's just a broad "sometimes some people incarnate as different sexes").
+--- 21933350
+>>21933315
+>>21933318
+Ty I will look into them
+--- 21933423
+bros, why is inhibitor phase so mediocre... I really liked all three of the previous books, even absolution gap.
+--- 21933449
+>>21933423
+I don't know but I think watching paint dry is more fun than reading Reynolds
+--- 21933471
+>>21933344
+His Chronicles of the Black Gate series has a character who appears in like one chapter and is killed and we find out he has a BF a few books later. It's like he hates this stuff but feels forced by the current orthodoxy to include it.
+--- 21933480
+https://loopingworld.com/2009/03/06/wordcount/
+word counts in popular fantasy series
+--- 21933489
+>>2193342
+https://warosu.org/lit/thread/S18991535#p18991975
+--- 21933532
+Is it just me or does the way the Dying Earth read seem a bit off?
+--- 21933570
+>>21926854
+Donaldson
+Gavriel Kay
+Wolfe
+--- 21933584
+>>21928095
+>>21928117
+I loved his trilogy. One of the most satisfying and unique endings I’ve read in a long time. Overall very unique premise as well.
+--- 21933591
+>>21928997
+>goodreads
+Are you genuinely retarded or trolling?
+--- 21933596
+>>21929514
+Those books suck no wonder he’s such garbage
+--- 21933653
+>>21930917
+To me, it felt as though if you sum the two main ladies (assuming we're on the same track about who they are) then you get one Lady.
+--- 21933666
+>>21933653
+I was thinking mist and nepenthe and I think you are spot on with that observation
+--- 21933678
+>>21933074
+Because it's unlike any western (and maybe even asian) novel
+--- 21933699
+>>21933584
+The fact that the narrative feels completely resolved by the end, despite the big bad never being explored, is a real testament to islingtons control of theme and character. Not a single chapter went by that one character or anothers personal journey wasnt progressed in some meaningful way.
+
+Also elocien did bothing wrong and nobody deserves what happened to him
+--- 21933702
+Welp I haven't started one yet so should I read Player of Games or Use of Weapons first?
+--- 21933764
+>>21933570
+I just started The Lions of Al-Rassan, and yes, Gavriel Kay has great prose. I'm two chapters in, and I can already tell this is going to be great.
+--- 21933770
+>>21933666
+Also, this one is a bit more of a stretch, but Varth is the closest thing Dread Empire has to Croaker. Personality wise, anyway.
+--- 21933784
+>>21933532
+It's written somewhat in the style of P. G. Wodehouse, one of Vance favorite authors.
+--- 21933787
+>>21933532
+No it's why I can't read it. Sad!
+--- 21933797
+any "vr" fiction recommendations? i've read diaspora, permutation city, schild's ladder, accelerando, metamorphosis of prime intellect 
+
+i find the "how would immortal materially unlimited ppl behave" aspect of them more interesting (because every author has their own view) than just the trite existential and ontological ones
+--- 21933897
+>charlie actually thought he had a chance with the princess
+swarthoids are so delusional
+--- 21934004
+>>21933797
+A considerable amount of Egan's short fiction involves that as well. There's a lot of vr schlock that technically meets those requirements but doesn't explore it in any meaningful way.
+--- 21934022
+Join The Official 4chan Server!!111
+
+https://discord.gg/2mT7nT99
+
+E-girls, cozy wojacks, camwhores... otakus? All Anons Welcome!!!1
+--- 21934035
+>>21933897
+One of the worst books I’ve ever read in my life.
+--- 21934041
+>>21934022
+Kys
+--- 21934044
+>>21934035
+it was pretty fun for me, liked the way stephen built the tension and mystery around the whole setting
+has tons of plot holes however
+--- 21934063
+>>21934044
+I just don’t think he cares anymore. The prose, the pacing, that stupid horse and girl, all terrible. I feel he was mocking people who like fantasy, not writing for them. If he’d taken any time to edit and rewrite at all he might have done something with the mystery and tension you mentioned. Does he not have developmental editors or something? Are they just afraid of him? KEK I’m slogging through the Dark Tower right now.
+--- 21934075
+>>21934063
+> Does he not have developmental editors or something? 
+george lucas problem
+--- 21934083
+>>21934063
+Why torture yourself and read Dark Tower? Read David Gemmel's Jerusalem MAn trilogy instead.
+--- 21934090
+>>21934083
+>>21934063
+seconding this, i wouldn't have found out about jerusalem man if it wasn't for this general and i'm very glad i did. it's a much more enjoyable and tighter read than dark tower. i will say that dark tower explores grander and more interesting concepts and wizard and glass is probably better than any of the jerusalem man books but overall jerusalem man trilogy is just a better realized series
+--- 21934119
+>>21934083
+>>21934090
+Thanks anons I’ll give it a try. I’m reading three books at once atm so I’ll have to put it on the list.
+--- 21934184
+>>21934119
+yeah for the record i think it's at least worth it to push through to wizard and glass unless you really hate everything about the dark tower. then you can drop it
+king actually put in a disclaimer before the final chapter of the series telling people not to keep reading so you're definitely not missing much
+--- 21934201
+>>21934119
+How is that working out for you?
+Different genres?
+Fiction and nonfiction?
+Does it help you read more?
+--- 21934302
+>>21934201
+It works well for me. It makes it so that I don’t have to tell myself I must read 20 pages of “x” today, but that I can dip into whichever of three books I am reading for as long as I feel like. It gives me freedom not to make myself feel bad for not reading “x” for a few days which can be demotivating. I read one literary novel, a genre novel, and then non-fiction or whatever I want. I am currently reading Titus Groans, The Gunslinger, The Great Gatsby, and dipping in and out of Mythology by Edith Hamilton. I am dyslexic so I was never going to read fast to begin with but reading slow helps me remember everything I read.
+--- 21934311
+>>21934302
+Wow. Sounds like you have some comfy reads.
+First read for Gatsby?
+--- 21934353
+>>21934311
+Naw, it’s my third time. Wanted to go through it again to see if I missed anything since last time, now that I’ve read a lot more.
+--- 21934368
+>>21934353
+For some reason the first scene I think of when I think about hat book is (I can't even remember her name, kek) but her and Gatsby and he's showing her his fancy cloths and he's throwing them around and she's laying in them.
+And how I hate Nick for dumping Jordan by lumping her in with the rest of them FOR NO REASON.
+--- 21934421
+>>21934368
+Yeah for me it’s the green light Gatsby looks at. But it’s a disillusionment plot so by the end Nicks dreams of the East meet reality and he is in complete disgust. He wouldn’t have stayed. In fact in the beginning he talks about wanting everything to stand at moral attention forever, after what happens. But I can’t remember how he ends it with her so I’ll keep an eye out for that

lit/21927435.txt

@@ -287,3 +287,57 @@ I haven’t learned my lesson, anon.
 --- 21930304
 >>21927435 (OP)
 Wish you the best bro. Haters itt don't know for themselves how material desires and debased urges aren't worth it.
+--- 21931622
+>>21930277
+Damn, I'm sorry anon. I'm probably going down the same path.
+--- 21931699
+>>21928861
+Dude, they are called the “Big 4” for a reason. Those companies are fucking enormous. They hold a ton of positions and with the labour force shrinking post boomers its not exactly difficult to get on there. Sure they arent taking some career college schmo off the street but you can get it fresh out of undergrad with even a sub 3.5 and a few good references. 
+
+Compare that with academia, where after doing a PhD you are looking at another 10 years minimum of post doc fellowships/adjuncts for shitty pay before you are even considered for a full time faculty position at even a lower level uni. Academia is extraordinarily more selective than any firm in this country.
+--- 21931711
+>>21930000
+>Those Quads
+--- 21931713
+>>21931699
+>selective
+Not the term I would use. Hiring is not merit-based. It's even more memed than anyone thinks, because we've passed some crucial threshold where all the older generation of professors who at least cared about merit have washed their hands of everything and are avoiding hiring committees, always seen as tedious admin work so it's an easy move to make for them. But now all the committees are staffed by managerial class Twitter people, so they hire more people like them. This has been going on for 5-10 years but it is exponential and only recently has it become utterly dominant, so that you can barely even get your foot in the door unless you are extremely managerial and extremely Twitter. Basically unless you're a gay guy who gets along with HR and gets sushi with other young professionals every week you aren't getting into academia except by dwindling exceptions to the rule.
+--- 21931751
+>>21931713
+> Basically unless you're a gay guy who gets along with HR and gets sushi with other young professionals every week you aren't getting into academia except by dwindling exceptions to the rule.
+
+Maybe in the humanities, but when I finished my science undergrad and hoped to pursue a PhD and eventually academia I was dissuaded by basically every young person (young as in sub 40) who was working in my field’s department. They all told me the issue is there are guys who are like 75 and wont retire, and when they finally do (or die) there is some 45-50 year old who has been grinding in adjunct positions with 20 years experience who will get it long before anyone fresh put of grad school. So basically after 10ish years of university level education you enter another 15-20 year cue before you can even call yourself a full time professional.
+
+Compare that with a finance bro who's dad knows someone at PwC and soends most of his time partying (literally my roomate) so he's got a job lined up the Monday after graduation. They are massively different in selectivity
+--- 21931882
+>>21931751
+I would just add to this that your chances of career progression increase drastically if you are open to international relocation. I have a friend who picked up two MAs (comparative and English) from UCL and Oxford, then did a PhD at Cambridge. He went to a mid-level English speaking university in Italy and got a tenure track position very rapidly. The pedigree of his universities played in his favour, as did the fact he actually managed to publish papers consistently, and had a fiction novel published. But just the fact he was an English native holds big sway with international/English-speaking universities in non-English countries. I believe he could have found similar success in Japan, South Africa, South America, and throughout Europe really
+--- 21931889
+>>21931711
+A good 60% of my posts are repeating digits, often including trips and quads. I'm the same guy who got sexts the other day. This site made me believe in numerology. Fuck it checkem.
+--- 21931892
+>>21931889
+>889
+Your hubris has been punished
+--- 21931896
+>>21931892
+I still feel like I'm destined for greatness
+--- 21931950
+Very relevant post:
+
+>>21931907 →
+--- 21933375
+>>21927435 (OP)
+You are conflating "the world" with that which you know, which appears to only be upwardly mobile young people. The vast majority of people do not pursue climbing the corporate ladder, just the ones you have deemed relevant.
+--- 21933414
+>>21927435 (OP)
+>leaving a job people would unironically kill for to pursue a fucking hobby
+I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
+--- 21933431
+>>21927631
+you talking like you're 45 or something already. it's going to be a long life, my friend
+--- 21933533
+>>21927790
+Why not try to publish while you’re still working? See if you’re actually good enough with something to offer that people want before you quit.
+--- 21933547
+I’m broke as fuck right now barely scraping by with delivery part time and am in school. I can’t even seem to get back into the market. I was thinking about joining the navy today, at least I could stay in shape and they’d pay for school and I’d have that as a job for a while.

lit/21927896.txt

@@ -48,3 +48,43 @@ Does that make him a based and redpilled reactionary? Absolutely not and even if
 --- 21930811
 >>21927896 (OP)
 did Justin write anything interesting since his Greta post? i always just see him shilling for Urbit and that's it
+--- 21930825
+>>21930811
+His recent Mussolini-posting was nice and edge.
+--- 21930831
+>>21930161
+True, only autogynephiles are allowed to distort these two authors.
+--- 21930941
+Broke
+>based Deleuze
+Bespoke 
+>hermetic Deleuze
+Stonk
+>??? Deleuze
+
+Tell me the Deleuze reading you want to see in the future.
+--- 21930948
+you have to be a retard to think any thinker after the secular enlightenment is worth reading
+--- 21930999
+>>21930941
+I know there is a book out there called Dark Deleuze
+--- 21931004
+>>21927896 (OP)
+to me, it sounds like a book he wrote in a weekend just for the title to sell a couple hundred of copies and never be read
+--- 21931007
+>>21931004
+how many "Based X" books could i pop-out in a weekend if i use ChatGPT?
+--- 21931880
+>>21930941
+--- 21932205
+>>21931007
+Fourty-five, approximately.
+--- 21933732
+>>21930999
+It sucks.
+--- 21933978
+>>21927896 (OP)
+Being red pilled isn't a good thing, it's arguably worse than being blue pilled. The purple pill and black pill are also cringe. Just think for yourself and stop being a gay little faggot.
+--- 21933991
+>>21929848
+kek

lit/21928196.txt

@@ -81,3 +81,40 @@ Good to know. I know it's not talked about nearly as much, so maybe I should hav
 --- 21930666
 >>21928196 (OP)
 Just read Dionysiacas, my man. Same concept as the Aeneid, but better execution
+--- 21931058
+>>21930378
+Cope
+--- 21931189
+>>21930666
+>Dionysiacas
+Is it worth it? Roman era epics keep letting me down
+>aeneid 
+>posthomerica 
+Posthomerica was a nice to fill in the gaps between the iliad and Odyssey but it was defiently inferior to homer
+--- 21931218
+>>21931189
+>Is it worth it? Roman era epics keep letting me down
+A rough start and not as good as Homer, but still miles ahead of Virgil. Tries to do the same as the Illiad and Odissey, doesn't feel as much underwhelming rehash as the Aeneid
+--- 21931468
+>>21928420
+why are you spelling virgil like that
+--- 21932216
+>>21931058
+nothing to cope with, lad. you're the one who spent years learning 2 languages so you can read half a dozen works, and now has to come to terms with the reality that you didn't even understand those works as well as someone who read them in translation.
+>>21930666
+>>21931189
+I'll check out Dionysiaca, seems interesting, I'd never even heard of it before, and I've looked for other Greek/Roman epics. Wonder why that is, maybe it was mentioned and it didn't ring a bell so I just glossed over it.
+>>21931218
+>Tries to do the same as the Iliad and the Odissey
+what do you mean by that exactly? also about the Trojan war / its aftermath? or just in spirit it's similar?
+also, I want to read the Argonautica (Apollonius Rhodius's version), do you have a recommended verse translation?
+>>21931468
+not that guy, but Virgil's name in Latin is "Vergilius" so "Vergil" is a spelling more consistent with his original name. Many Romans and Greeks are so famous that they have anglicized names, eg Horace (from "Horatius"). Looks like Vergil is an acceptable (albeit less common) spelling of Virgil in English.
+--- 21933656
+>>21932216
+>I want to read the Argonautica (Apollonius Rhodius's version), do you have a recommended verse translation?
+Not him but do not go in expecting Homer levels of quality 
+It's ok but it ain't the iliad or Odyssey and just like with the catalogue of ships, there's a catalogue of heroes iirc
+I read Peter greens translation. Was ok. Readable enough 
+
+Other anons may have a better idea about translations for it

lit/21928368.txt

@@ -201,3 +201,151 @@ Schopenhauer on the other hand didn’t have a doctrine like karma and seems to
 Edit: here’s what an abstract I found on the internet says 
 > Schopenhauer vehemently rejects suicide as an unworthy affirmation of the will to life by those who seek to escape rather than seek nondiscursive knowledge of Will in suffering. The only manner of self-destruction Schopenhauer finds philosophically acceptable is the ascetic saint's death by starvation. Here the individual will to life is so completely mastered as to refuse even the most basic desire for nourishment, and thereby passes into nonexistence in complete renunciation of the individual will. 
 This is saying Schopenhauer actually rejected suicide? I don’t have access to the whole article.
+--- 21931194
+>>21928368 (OP)
+Von Hartmann is barely read here
+--- 21931205
+>>21928368 (OP)
+What in the pseud fuck are you talking about? Do you people even read the Wikipedia pages of people you pretend to read? The answer is the Wille zum Leben, the Will to Life.
+--- 21931223
+>>21931205
+>you shouldn't kill yourself because there is this force like thing that compels you not to
+that doesn't sound like a very good reason not to do it or on what makes life worth living
+--- 21931279
+>>21928368 (OP)
+how the fuck do i get the courage to kill myself
+
+this world is such a hell and my life is an empty nothingness of all but suffering. i want out. How?
+--- 21931613
+>>21928414
+>Why do we continue to live while knowing it's 100% pointless
+Because we don't fucking know it, retard. There's no proof life is pointless, anymore than there is proof that life is fruitful and has an ultimate goal. We don't know, it's an in-between, an interstitial space which we can not fathom with our current knowledge and tools.
+--- 21932934
+>>21931613
+My nigga its pointless. Either you are Christian or you're coping. Either way you're coping.
+--- 21933021
+>>21930323
+>>21928740
+>>21931223
+No, suicide for Schopenhauer is an act of affirmation of will. The only suicide allowed for him is the one that requires you to starve, but that's not a suicide from this perspective. It is only the endgame of the ascetic.
+>>21930341
+This is saying Schopenhauer actually rejected suicide?
+Yes
+https://michalmasny.com/resources/SOSNW.pdf
+--- 21933051
+>>21928368 (OP)
+Nietzsche completely destroyed this retard. All ideas are instrumental. If your philosophy makes you hate life, your philosophy is bad. Simple as. If Schopenhauer was smarter, he would've been Lev Shestov.
+--- 21933059
+>>21933051
+Nietzsche was right about everything and the Third Reich interpreted him correctly.
+--- 21933067
+>>21933051
+Shestov is not even a Schopenhauer type he is more like David Hume. "God can make it so nothing bad ever happened by erasing the past" is a pretty marvelous cope for the problem of evil though
+--- 21933069
+>>21928378
+>Especially women
+no
+--- 21933122
+>>21933069
+roastie, please
+--- 21933125
+>>21933067
+Germany lost, Hitler lost, Nazism lost. Jews won. Cope, Sneed, etc.
+--- 21933131
+>>21933125
+What does this have to do with my post. Shestov was a Christian anyway
+--- 21933133
+>>21933067
+If there is a God, then everything is possible. Though I don't think there is a "problem of evil". Without evil there could be no good. Both are necessary parts of life. You can also be an atheist, but then you have to deal with some very strange questions like "why is there something rather than nothing" or "what was the first cause".
+--- 21933140
+>>21928368 (OP)
+is entire corpus is easily refuted
+>what no pussy does to a mf
+--- 21933148
+>>21933133
+>Without evil there could be no good.
+I dont see how this follows. Good stuff is good innately not merely by contrast 
+
+As for god if something like him exists then the obvious conclusion is that he isnt omnipotent and is contending with some opposing or other force
+--- 21933154
+>>21933067
+>"God can make it so nothing bad ever happened by erasing the past"
+Pathetic giga cope
+>>21933133
+The problem with evil is that there is no good.
+--- 21933165
+>>21931279
+is it the pain or more the fear of death that keeps you away?
+if it's the pain, there are plenty of good mostly painless methods, bite the bullet and bare some pain.
+if it's more existential then you need to work on that.
+--- 21933190
+I don't think life is pointless but from what I've seen 99% of people live pointless lives. 
+
+Work to consume. Forever stuck in one drama after another. Always succumbing to peer pressure. Ignorant of what they really want.
+
+Is the meaning of life to party? I don't think so. 
+
+At the very least, I think you have to do unconventional things to find your life purpose.
+--- 21933233
+>>21933148
+I don't think values can exist without opposites. To be able to appreciate being warm, you have to know what it's like to be cold (i.e. not warm). If you have a counterexample, I'd love to hear it.
+
+When it comes to omnipotence, we have different definitions of "God". When I, the subject, 
+act, the world changes in some way. To me, God is the being that determines that change. It conceptually makes no sense in my view for God to be limited in any way.
+
+>>21933154
+There is no reason to assume that it will always be like that. All things are possible.
+--- 21933242
+>>21933233
+>>21933233
+>To be able to appreciate being warm, you have to know what it's like to be cold
+I don't think so. I think being warm just inherently feels good. Of course the contrast can make you appreciate it more but I dont believe its necessary 
+
+>When I, the subject,
+>act, the world changes in some way. To me, God is the being that determines that change
+Can you explain this a bit more? To me it seems like if God was omnipotent and benevolent things would be much better than they are. (Just as they would be much worse if he were malevolent and omnipotent)
+--- 21933293
+>>21928368 (OP)
+buddha
+krishna
+--- 21933301
+>>21933242
+God is beyond good and evil. Have you ever read a story where the main character has everything and everything is "perfect" and nothing bad ever happens? That would be a terrible story. Countless examples show that humans degenerate when they have too much comfort and no real challenge. Dostoevsky writes about this in Notes from Underground when he writes about piano keys. If you search for "Dostoevsky piano key" you'll find it. That part is only a few pages long and it's one of the most important ideas ever written.
+--- 21933311
+>>21933301
+Well then that's not God as I think of him. That means he is the ultimate cause of evil
+--- 21933314
+>>21933069
+that's the one thing he was undeniably right about
+--- 21933363
+>>21933311
+What makes men different from farm animals is they aren't satisfied penned up with all their needs tended to until the day they die. You say you want creation to be benevolent, then you are no different than cattle.
+--- 21933366
+>>21933363
+Have you ever been happy? It really doesnt require the threat of torture, it just is nice in and of itself
+--- 21933371
+>>21928368 (OP)
+https://vocaroo.com/17IxrtxN2J2c
+--- 21933383
+>>21928414
+He's right. This is the logical conclusion of atheism.
+--- 21933400
+>>21933366
+If life was perfect we'd find a way to fuck it up. Lacking the ability to fuck it up means lacking autonomy.
+--- 21933408
+>>21933400
+It doesnt need to be perfect, I just mean it doesnt have to outright suck. Cancer, insanity, etc. Not necessary
+--- 21933688
+>>21933140
+>femoid or femoid-brained response proving hin right
+kek
+--- 21933767
+>I don't want to hear the truth because I don't want my illusions destroyed.
+What did Nietzsche mean by this?
+--- 21933837
+>>21928368 (OP)
+>Refuted by mommy
+--- 21933858
+>>21933383
+> This is the logical conclusion of atheism.
+How the fuck is that a logical conclusion of atheism when atheism denies the existence of god or gods while it's impossible to live as an entity interacting with itself for billions of years without being a god in one way or another.

lit/21928544.txt

@@ -57,3 +57,44 @@ My local public library has nothing
 --- 21930596
 >>21928544 (OP)
 I am not poor ;)
+--- 21931071
+>>21930587
+My library tebds to have a huge waitlist on books i want to read now or doesn't have them at all
+--- 21931113
+>>21928612
+I think e-books are a sweet deal for that. I pretty much find everything under 5 dollars. No book is worth more than that.
+--- 21931124
+>>21928544 (OP)
+I like reading physical books and I like seeing them on my bookshelves. More importantly, I'm a writer myself, so unlike TV, movies, or video games, books are the one thing I'll always pay for.
+--- 21931185
+>>21928544 (OP)
+renting?
+--- 21932323
+>>21928544 (OP)
+cause I want to own books
+--- 21932398
+>>21928612
+>reading current day authors
+Yikes
+--- 21932407
+How am I suppose to impress people with my patrician taste in literature if I’m reading ebooks? They'll just think Im scrolling through tiktok
+--- 21932413
+If I like it enough I buy it, simple as. If I don't, I didn't waste the money.
+--- 21932440
+>>21928544 (OP)
+reading books is boring
+--- 21933379
+>>21928612
+So what you'z be sayin' right iz I should be buyin' books from used book stores and bargain warehouses who sell old library stock, 'n' charity donation 'n' shiet?
+
+yee boi
+--- 21933621
+>>21928544 (OP)
+Absolutely agreed. Had they not gone out of their way to shut them all down in my area, I'd be there all the time. Gives me hope to see the one in town is actually being renovated though.
+>Piracy
+Also this.
+--- 21933740
+>>21928544 (OP)
+I am not a fan of piracy or stealing, my conscience can not handle doing it. It may not mean anything to the author/publisher if I steal, but it means something to me.
+--- 21933768
+I only buy physical copies of books I really like and sometimes out of impulse. Just in case electricity goes out or whatever. I read a lot on the go and I prefer reading on my phone or a reader in that case. Too much hassle handling books in public.

lit/21928759.txt

@@ -67,3 +67,103 @@ Plath was such a whiner IRL that I refuse to revisit this book.
 >my dad died young and I didn't get into a writing class? Better "try" and kill myself lol
 --- 21929706
 She's based. I spent $50 on my copy lol
+--- 21931107
+>>21929388
+I know.
+--- 21931118
+What's with the hyper-contrarian bait threads this year?
+--- 21931139
+>>21928759 (OP)
+Shit taste
+--- 21931197
+>>21931118
+>this year
+Holy shit, go back.
+>>21931139
+FAGGOT!!!!!!!
+--- 21931200
+>>21928965
+You’re a team of marketing fags pushing this book on this board. I’m sure it’s horrible.
+--- 21931204
+>>21931200
+It's all organic, I can assure you.
+--- 21931226
+>>21931204
+Tranny
+--- 21931232
+>>21931226
+I am as het as they come, and my admiration for the book is purely aesthetic. No more. Sylvia WAS a sexy bird, though.
+--- 21931239
+>>21931232
+yeah it's a tranny
+
+>>21931226
+good eye
+--- 21931258
+>>21931204
+>>It's all organic, I can assure you.
+nobody believes that lol
+--- 21931260
+>>21931239
+Even better
+--- 21931272
+>>21928759 (OP)
+>written by a woman
+>shilled by trannies
+>shitty book about women's feefees and depression
+Miss me with that gay shit senpai
+--- 21931456
+>>21928759 (OP)
+What one do I get
+--- 21931462
+>>21931456
+Stick to bells but pick this one anon
+--- 21931464
+>>21931462
+Thanks anon
+--- 21931501
+>i have an immense anguish
+>i'm so depressed
+>i want to kill myself
+>i don't succeed in life because i'm a woman
+And this is OP's favorite book. I'm not surprised this tranny writes like he is in Twitter.
+--- 21931591
+>>21931200
+This, the same PR team shilling the romanian must've been paid to shill the whore now.
+--- 21932113
+>>21931197
+Lol it's you
+--- 21932267
+>>21929077
+>no, Punkin, I won't read it 
+Is there a word for this type of humour in Russian literature?
+--- 21932275
+>>21931118
+There's no reason for tbj to be hyper-contrarian. It's funny how much seethe it generates by being a good novel
+--- 21932284
+i don't know if i have a favorite book. usually when people i ask i just say whatever book i just finished reading unless the book was not enjoyable.
+--- 21933397
+>>21928759 (OP)
+I don't see why this book is getting memed so hard. It's a fine enough book. Do the people who meme this book think that they're being funny or something?
+--- 21933490
+>>21933397
+It's literally one dude.
+--- 21933516
+Probably Lev Shestov's All Things Are Possible or William Blake's Marriage of Heaven and Hell
+--- 21933553
+>>21928759 (OP)
+>today, I will cause trouble for no reason at all.
+--- 21933582
+>>21928759 (OP)
+It's between this and Macbeth
+--- 21933845
+>>21928822
+Baste
+--- 21933877
+>>21933397
+Right? This book is OK. Perhaps I would like it better if its few merits were not so grossly exaggerated by its many admirers. Perhaps not.
+--- 21933885
+Stoner
+--- 21933908
+Sexy Plath.
+>>21931232

lit/21929024.txt

@@ -49,3 +49,82 @@ At least yours was funny.
 >>21930115
 >>21930117
 tldr
+--- 21931137
+>>21930252
+Ugh...you can't even handle a 750-word flash fiction?
+Freaking ADHD.
+LOOK, A BUNNY RABBIT!
+--- 21931143
+>>21929024 (OP)
+Write your own erotica
+--- 21931309
+>>21931143
+You find that image erotic? Ew.
+--- 21931686
+For sale:
+Foot binding shoes.
+Never worn.
+--- 21932760
+>>21930115
+>>21930117
+I'm guessing you're the camel teddy bear story guy, in which case I'd like to imagine that these are the exact same characters
+--- 21932853
+"TRANNIES could be here" he thought, "I've never been in this neighborhood before. There could be TRANNIES anywhere."
+--- 21932864
+Keiko’s phone rang, and she knew didn’t have much time. Glancing over her shoulder to make sure no one was there, she slipped on her silk kimono, all that remained of her mom other than fading, out of focus memories, and walked down the steps of the ryokan to the edge of the pond. Sunlight fractured on the surface into glittering fragments, each one a luminous gem dancing on the calm water. Koi swam in endless loops. 
+
+“Hello,” her voice wavering ever so little. Would they notice?
+
+“Is it done?” the man’s voice on the other end asked.
+
+“Yes.” 
+
+“You need to be certain. Absolutely certain.”
+
+“I am.” 
+
+“Good. Go to Room 305. He’s waiting for you,” a momentary pause and then the click of the phone hanging up. She turned around and headed back inside forcing herself not to glance at the room she had first visited many hours ago as she walked past. What had happened in there she could not forget. She recited a work from Basho to calm herself.
+
+In front of the door to 305, she took a deep breath. A stillness hung in the air, a pervading calm blanketing her and all of the ryokan like a winter’s snow in Hokkaido. What lay beyond this door could be anything, lead anwhere. It’s an odd thing, facing down the depths of darkness, fears, and vivid unrealities. But she believed, maybe not in magic, but something, call it the divine, a spirit rooted in the forests and mountains of Japan, a land that sprang forth from the kami. And if she believed, then perhaps there was a way, some spell, some force or power, equal enough to the evils and foils of the psyche and the outside world. Wouldn’t that be enough to shield herself? 
+
+She knocked.
+--- 21932913
+>>21929024 (OP)
+The original plans for the night was for a lithe black dress. Something simple, something that wouldn't distract from the background.
+
+Darius, the gay African director, suggested nothing less than a "weeping strawberry on sunet" background. We couldn't even get the time right, as the sun still hanged high in the sky for our supposed "dusk" shoot. I wore that fucking dress; it smelled of mothballs and rat shit. I just needed the money. The whole shoot was a fuck up from start to finish. Nothing worked. I was on the phone with my agent telling him to suck the cunt blood out of my leaking pussy because his shit lead me down another nothing-trail of SHIT. Total fuck-ups. This could have been a magic shoot, but nobody planned it, and in the end, I at least had enough to drink that I didn't PUNCH A NIGGER!
+--- 21932927
+>>21931686
+Thank goodness!
+--- 21933276
+>>21932760
+Glad to hear you remember my story!
+https://warosu.org/lit/thread/S21844075
+Hopefully I came up with different characters for this image.
+--- 21933349
+>>21932864
+Very Neal Stephenson.
+He can't write an ending either.
+--- 21933459
+>>21932864
+>Keiko’s phone rang, and she knew didn’t have much time.
+Who is Keiko? Who is calling her? We never find out, so what's the point? Why should I care?
+
+>all that remained of her mom other than fading, out of focus memories
+Not important. Cut any extra details.
+
+>ryokan 
+What are all these Japanese words? You're not writing in Japanese, so use the English equivalent. If I don't understand something, as a reader, then you've lost me.
+
+>In front of the door to 305, she took a deep breath. A stillness hung in the air, a pervading calm blanketing her and all of the ryokan like a winter’s snow in Hokkaido. What lay beyond this door could be anything, lead anwhere. It’s an odd thing, facing down the depths of darkness, fears, and vivid unrealities. But she believed, maybe not in magic, but something, call it the divine, a spirit rooted in the forests and mountains of Japan, a land that sprang forth from the kami. And if she believed, then perhaps there was a way, some spell, some force or power, equal enough to the evils and foils of the psyche and the outside world. Wouldn’t that be enough to shield herself?
+This entire paragraph is TELLING not SHOWING. I don't want to be told something, I want to be immersed into the story, show me what all that shit means you've typed out and how it matters to your characters and to the plot.
+
+>She knocked.
+I agree with >>21933349 that you can't write an ending. Maybe you need to learn story structure. People shit on King's book and Sanderson's lectures, but if you're a beginner they're probably the best thing for you.
+
+I give you a 1/10. The other stories here are 3 or 4/10, but they weren't trying to be anything other than dumb. You tried to be "literary" and failed. Which is even worse in my opinion. You can write the occasional good sentence, I liked the thing about the sunlight, but you really need to learn how to cut out unimportant details.
+--- 21933548
+>>21933459
+>Who is Keiko?
+I think she was Chief O'Brien's wife on "Star Trek: Deep Space 9".
+And if not... >>21932864 should have clarified that.

lit/21929123.txt

@@ -347,3 +347,357 @@ Alright but that is what capitalism is
 >>21929151
 >Cosmic Darwinism
 What?
+--- 21931614
+>>21929165
+>capitalism is when trade
+the state of /lit/
+--- 21931625
+>>21930457
+Government has always been involved with capitalist economies since the start of the modern era. You’re just stuck and confused by lolitarian meme-tier understanding of capitalism.
+--- 21931632
+>>21931625
+i mean capitalism is defined as private ownership of the means wich is anti-state ownership, so technically if the govt is involved its therefore not capitalism
+--- 21931634
+>>21929344
+>How do we deal with it
+Ooga booga cavemen had it sorted out ergo the "evil" of humanity is nothing more than an imprint of its present material conditions. Change the conditions and the nature of man changes. The question if man is or isn't "good" right here right now thus becomes irrelevant.
+--- 21931636
+>>21929151
+This sounds like a retarded take but considering the seething it summoned I will now assume this to be true
+--- 21931642
+>>21929151
+To read too many books is truly harmful. What even is this schizo babble?
+--- 21931644
+>>21929259
+>>21929558
+Read Braudel retard. Capitalism, with its upper industrial-financial eschelon, is inherently anti-market and competition, and tends towards monopoly/oligopoly, which >>21929295 points out with all these industries that are oligopolized/on the verge of monopoly.
+--- 21931654
+>>21931632
+That’s a made up definition that regurgitates the lolitarian conceptual i action of capitalism, which ignores history, The state has always been involved from the start in the feudal era, with defining of property rights and laws, international/regional trade regulations, currency control/regulations, protectionism, etc etc etc. the state and capitalism are inseparable, it’s just mises-tier free market fundies who like to make shit up and say the state and capitalism are separate, when they’re not.
+--- 21931657
+>>21931654
+Conceptualization*
+--- 21931659
+>>21929225
+>Monopolies requires government force to enact and maintain.
+Yes, monopolies secure government force for themselves with money. The government is within the market, not outside of it.
+--- 21931666
+>>21931642
+You couldn't understand him? Evolution is just capitalism writ large. The existence of life is a market and violence is the currency.
+--- 21931674
+>>21931666
+...except that is solely the concept of evolution as imagined a century ago? Inb4 for commie propaganda, but evolution proved that, by natural selection, more collectivist species end up being more successful. Btw, this isn't an indorsment for socialism, at least on its own, as appeal to nature is a fucking fallacy as humans clearly posses the power to go against instinct.
+--- 21931682
+>>21931654
+i know, im not an ancap but the state should only exist to protect property rights, peoples natural rights and defend against outside aggressors thats it
+
+>it’s just mises-tier free market fundies who like to make shit up and say the state and capitalism are separate, when they’re not.
+they are literally seperate, the defenition of private property is non-government owned property
+--- 21931693
+>>21930485
+Autistic nigger, lmao
+--- 21931694
+>>21931674
+>more collectivist species end up being more successfu
+collective violence is still violence
+--- 21931703
+>>21931659
+then lets seperate the state from the market
+--- 21931712
+>>21931682
+Just because the state doesn’t have a monopoly on property doesn’t mean it’s other engagements in the economy doesn’t make the economic system not capitalism. State intervention and private property have been part of capitalism since the start
+--- 21931725
+>>21931712
+And private property has been a concept outside of capitalist systems. Not a unique aspect.
+--- 21931727
+>>21929237
+1- Where are the monopolies
+2- if u talking shit like amazon its still not a monopoly
+3- Amazon is subsidized heavily by the govt and uses slave labour from a socialist country(china)
+4- a country like the US wich is a corporatist hellhole that each day scores lower and lower on economic freedom in the world and legalizes lobbying is not a model of capitalism but economic fascism
+
+>>21931712
+>Just because the state doesn’t have a monopoly on property doesn’t mean it’s other engagements in the economy doesn’t make the economic system not capitalism.
+its a spectrum https://www.heritage.org/index/ranking
+>State intervention and private property have been part of capitalism since the start
+this is just retarded, state intervention is not capitalism at all, just because the state intervenes in the self proclaimed "capitalist" countries doesnt mean the meaning of the word capitalism changes to state intervention
+--- 21931733
+>>21931725
+wdym by "outside of capitalist systems"?
+--- 21931763
+>>21929151
+>interest rates and financialization of derivatives is actually le cosmic darwinism
+God you suck so much.
+
+>>21930531
+Something something evolution works via suffering and has no purpose, so *buuurp* nothing matters Morty! I-i-i-it doesn't matter at al*buuuurp*l Morty! Lambs to the *buuuurp* cosmic slaughter Morty!
+
+>>21929433
+>But sure enjoy your Dunning–Kruger while you're enduring your death sentence in tho shithole of an evil planet.
+Will do.
+--- 21931798
+>>21929123 (OP)
+schizophrenia is the answer
+--- 21931799
+>>21931727
+I’m convinced nobody on this website has a functioning, clear definition of what capitalism even is, especially you,
+--- 21931802
+>>21931799
+there is nothing wrong with what he said
+elaborate what you thing it is, if you insist that someone else fucked up
+--- 21931806
+If the state is always involved in capitalism then why does the state oppress capitalist enterprise when it becomes too successful? Like what happened in the gilded age. 
+
+The idea that the state is inherently part of capitalism is false. Capitalist enterprise is competition to the state and it always has been.
+--- 21931816
+>>21931799
+Capitalism - Private Ownership of the means of production
+
+The closest philosophy actualizing capitalism is AnCap, I myself am not an AnCap but a libertarian/minarchist wich is also close to capitalism but not pure capitalism
+
+The current world is far from capitalism, the govt subsidizes and bails out various sectors of the economy and chooses the winners, this is central planning not a free market
+--- 21931826
+Liberate yourself from the chains of binary definitions and take the spectrum pill. Think "more capitalistic" or "less capitalistic" instead of just yes/no.
+--- 21931831
+>>21931826
+its what i pointed out in >>21931727
+--- 21931834
+>>21929399
+>this is what commies actually believe
+--- 21931858
+>>21929885
+So abandoning capitalism and money altogether would eliminate monopolies. This is the freedom the capitalists desire in their idea of US “freedom”
+
+>>21931644
+This
+--- 21931876
+>>21929558
+>names historical examples 
+>anon hasn’t read them
+>completely unfamiliar with the US or the Great Depression 
+Okay dude. Hit the books and come back at us when you’re done. Seeya
+--- 21931917
+>>21931816
+your definition is garbage. two basic counterpoints:
+- state capitalism exists: the state can simply buy companies and run them just like another private owner. this is commonplace
+- peasants owning their means of production and using them to produce food and clothes for themselves is not clearly capitalism
+>The current world is far from capitalism, the govt subsidizes and bails out various sectors of the economy and chooses the winners
+the fact that governments care about safeguarding the profits of capital as a whole does not prove that the world is far from capitalism. much to the contrary
+>>21931826
+you can liberate yourself from whatever you want in your own head, but that doesn't change the facts on earth. capitalism has engulfed the world totally and that it can't be removed piecemeal, so the actual alternative is a yes/no.
+--- 21931920
+>>21931816
+>>21931917
+is clearly not capitalism*
+--- 21931932
+>>21931816
+More Austrian myopia, do you not realize there are more schools of thought beyond your memetier snekonomics?
+--- 21931951
+>>21931917
+>state capitalism exists
+a term invented by marxists that contradicts the very defenition of capitalism bruh
+>the state can simply buy companies and run them just like another private owner. this is commonplace
+if the state owns the company its no longer private ownership its called nationalization, 90% of leftist cheer for nationalization of every sector of the economy
+>peasants owning their means of production
+i didnt said thats capitalism, why tf u said peasents are u retarded this aint the 16th century whatever the fuck nigga boy, i said capitalism is private ownership of the means
+>the fact that governments care about safeguarding the profits of capital as a whole does not prove that the world is far from capitalism. much to the contrary
+the fact that the govt allways seeks more power over ppls lives to enrich the ppl innit means we need to restrict more the govt over its power over the economy
+
+>>21931932
+yes under libertarianism theres the chicago school, objectivism, minarchism etc...
+I literally didnt say the contrary you absolute retarded blob of shit
+--- 21931957
+>>21931951
+> yes under libertarianism theres the chicago school, objectivism, minarchism etc...
+Jesus Christ step out of your ideological hugbox already. Start is Braudel
+--- 21931972
+>>21931957
+why is you bringing the fact that theres more economic schools relevant to the main discussion here? we are debating ideas not the fact that theres more economic schools
+--- 21931975
+>>21931972
+Because those other schools expand upon what capitalism actually is beyond your Austria neo-liberal nonsense?
+--- 21931982
+>>21929426
+I’m not a communist. I’m only pointing out that the inherent evil of man would exist in any and all systems. Libertarians are more foolish about it though because they pretend there is only church and state and individuals when in reality there are all sorts of intermediate powers
+--- 21931987
+>>21931975
+leftists are all wrong on the definition of capitalism, heck they dont even know their very own defenition of what socialism actually is.
+
+>neo-liberal
+this term is so retarded, neo liberalism is not close at all with capitalism its closer to social democracy
+--- 21931993
+>>21931982
+>there are all sorts of intermediate powers
+like what exactly?
+--- 21931996
+>>21931987
+Thanks for clarifying to everyone here that you’re completely clueless.
+--- 21932000
+>>21931996
+>Literally you are so crazy bro jeez louize
+bruv make an argument
+--- 21932006
+>>21932000
+his argument is that there are other schools of economic thought, therefore you're wrong. he's too much of a bitch to actually say anything for fear of coming off as a retard, but that's what he's demonstrated.
+--- 21932010
+>>21932000
+Not only is there Keynesian economics, you have both classical and neo-classical schools that can better expand upon what capitalism even is beyond your Austrian autism. Braudel who I mentioned already has his own very useful interpretation that is a non-Marxist take as well. And the fact you equate neo-liberalism with social democracy cements that you’re out your league. It’s the same economic school you’re arguing under and it’s economic packages undermines the social aspects of social democracy.
+--- 21932017
+>>21932006
+I’ve already pointed out multiple times how some of these different schools have different and more useful interpretations of what capitalism actually is, both you and the anon you’re responding to are too stupid to keep up
+--- 21932022
+>>21929225
+Governments have to go out of their way to distort capital markets' natural tendency to trend towards monopoly with anti-trust legislation, because, yes, monopoly is a natural result of capitalism, and no, governments are not the ones forcing capital to create artificial monopolies
+--- 21932025
+>>21932017
+i've been reading your last few posts, and you look like a fucking idiot. all you've done so far is contradict what his position is without any substance of argument. you are claiming they 'expand' the definition without even thinking if its reasonable or not. it's as if you're equating 'hur dur they said more, dat mean they did the smart thing.'
+
+lick my balls
+--- 21932034
+>>21932025
+This is exactly why these boards need Ids, because fuckwits like you can’t keep up
+--- 21932036
+>>21932034
+lol. all you do is rage. every post from you is utterly meaningless.
+--- 21932037
+>>21931987
+>neoliberalism is just social democracy
+Margaret Thatcher wasn’t with Labour, anon. 
+Tony Blair famously ended that party so badly they started to called them Blairites
+--- 21932052
+>>21929123 (OP)
+Communism, National Bolshevism, National Socialism (the real kind not Hitlerism), Juche, Third position
+
+This are some great examples of ideologies who are mainly left wing with far right social ideals.
+
+>>21929137
+Anarchism will never work int he 21 century especially with warmongering nations not wanting a piece of the land who was once a ex country, and second it will not work on a big scale due to not a group of rulership over everything since is really hard to call on 32 communes to do a thing and send their stuff to another 54 communes, school and medicine will be ever harder to come by and make, and electricity and sewage supply will never be implemented right,etc, it the industrial revolution would have never happened anarchism would have worked nicely.
+--- 21932068
+>>21929127
+it's literally the fucking subtitle you pseud
+--- 21932079
+Reminder that Mark Fisher was a mediocre leftist writer who shared the same pathetic power fantasies as the rest of them. In one of his final works he cried about leftists criticizing Russell Brand even though he was a "sexy proletariat" who was challenging conservatism. The loser Mark Fisher was bullied by leftists until he killed himself and now Brand does interviews with Tucker Carlson hahahah
+--- 21932085
+>>21931951
+>a term invented by marxists
+there's nothing to invent. a state can operate a business that accumulates capital just like a private owner. that's just a fact
+>if the state owns the company its no longer private ownership
+sure, but capital-ism is defined by whether there's functioning capital, not by whether something is privately owned
+>i didnt said thats capitalism
+you said that capitalism is private ownership of the means of production. why is peasants owning their means of production not capitalism?
+>why tf u said peasents are u retarded this aint the 16th century
+to show that your definition is incorrect because it would characterize 16th century self-subsisting peasants as capitalists
+>i said capitalism is private ownership of the means
+are you retarded? if that's what you're saying, then a self-subsisting peasant is a capitalist according to your definition, meaning we can discard it
+--- 21932097
+>>21932052
+>mainly left
+In what way are authoritarian capitalist states leftwing? 
+
+>>21932052
+>it will not work on a big scale due to… hard to send stuff to each other. Needum centril bureaucracy. Losa papaer too!
+Decentralization doesn’t mean disorganization. We are currently letting central elites organize and they’re all doing a shit job of it. More hands to the task takes a short learning curve easily achieved. 
+Say if it were to happen in North America, we’d have commanders in the military still fairly centralized as they are now, but certainly closing bases where they can. The world would react not with invasion but with relief. Dare say the people around the world would follow our lead. Slowly denuclearizing, defensive postures letting up.
+--- 21932103
+>>21932079
+>kicking a sad suicided man 
+Cruel anonymous.
+--- 21932105
+>>21929189
+damn you're really 12
+--- 21932127
+>>21929123 (OP)
+I haven't read the book, is it good?
+
+Also no, there is no alternative unless a major and total worldwide cultural shift happens. But as of now, we are stuck with some flavour of capitalism and the hegemony of that system is unprecedented and far from over.
+--- 21932131
+>>21930459
+The idea isn't even his. Allen Ginsberg's "Howl" exposes the same belief.
+>>21929249
+This mockery is incredibly reductive though. Retards will justify the evils of capitalism by pointing out these structures of power do trickle down nothing but shit and piss and that's inherent to nature, but that doesn't change the fact this IS how power works, monetary abstractions or not.
+--- 21932252
+>>21932010
+these schools do not have the objective to redefine capitalism, they are a whole thing on their own they advocate for mixed economy not capitalism
+
+>>21932037
+you think Labour party are social democrats? PAHAHAAHAHAH 
+
+>>21932085
+>a state can operate a business that accumulates
+yeah no shit retard but this is not capitalism
+>sure, but capital-ism is defined by whether there's functioning capital
+PAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAH theres way boy theres no way, even fucking marxist central(wikipedia) define capitalism as private ownership retard
+>hy is peasants owning their means of production not capitalism?
+because that phrase is associated with collective ownership
+>it would characterize 16th century self-subsisting peasants as capitalists
+the kingdom would give the lands to the nobelty and the nobelty would own the lands not the peasent, they didnt have the right to own the lands, this isntr capitalism its central planning socialism where kingdom decide who gets to own property
+> if that's what you're saying, then a self-subsisting peasant is a capitalist
+dude again, peasents didnt have the right to own land
+--- 21932446
+>>21932252
+>yeah no shit retard but this is not capitalism
+it still operates the same and based on capital. there's no justification for it magically stopping being capitalism
+>even fucking marxist central(wikipedia)
+try harder retard
+>because that phrase is associated with collective ownership
+what phrase? so you agree that capitalism is not simply private ownership?
+>the kingdom would give the lands to the nobelty and the nobelty would own the lands not the peasent
+no, sometimes the peasant would own the land. read a book or fuck off and come back with a better bait if you're only pretending to be retarded
+--- 21932462
+>>21932252
+Old Labour was, Corbyn is. 
+Macron is another one. Where does he get off calling himself socialist when he’s just another neoliberal globalist? Well, he’s made noises recently about France breakities with US/NATO hegemony. The WEF is probably fuming, but his career is almost over anyway.
+--- 21933037
+>>21929399
+>depravity
+commies got that one down to a t
+--- 21933102
+>>21931858
+> So abandoning capitalism and money altogether would eliminate monopolies. This is the freedom the capitalists desire in their idea of US “freedom”
+I'm not sure what you're getting at. I suppose you're right, but there are other ways to defeating monopoly through an actual free market
+--- 21933117
+>>21933037
+Being gay is okay
+Being a white supremacist is not.
+
+
+>>21933102
+I support the no money rout to getting a “free market”
+--- 21933135
+>>21933117
+>Being gay is okay
+>Being a white supremacist is not.
+Slave to convention are we anon. Surely a bit of white supremacism is exciting
+--- 21933219
+>>21929123 (OP)
+The solution is to distribute the means of production as far and wide as possible and put ownership in the hands of as many individuals as we reasonably can
+--- 21933244
+>>21933135
+Dude. I’m white, proud, but not a jackass with murder and genocide on the mind. A “bit”? No, no need.
+--- 21933260
+>>21933244
+I dont know it just adds a little spice, a little danger doesnt it. You dont dream of hyperborea pyramids?
+--- 21933282
+>>21929123 (OP)
+this guy needs to know all it takes is import tariffs and disallowing large accumulations of wealth by groups or single persons. the entire thesis of his book is fed-tier otherwise
+--- 21933294
+>>21933117
+in what way is buttfucking other men somehow superior to caring for your tribe? lol, you commies crack me up with your illogical effeminate thinking
+--- 21933299
+>>21932103
+I did it in a video once. 
+
+>>21932079
+truly...
+--- 21934145
+>>21929165
+>unsubstantiated
+>criminal
+In what legal system you spooked clown? Also, even the most anarchic system is inherently hierarchical. The cream always rises.
+--- 21934164
+>>21934145
+>Cream rises. 
+Parents over children, teachers over students, experts over novices. In no way, no circumstances should we allow rich people, muscley people, more psychotic people to rule over us
+--- 21934273
+>>21933219
+Central and Eastern post bloc Europe is a living proof of why this "doesn't work" - or more specifically, a proof of how distributing means of production among a large number of people leads to run of the mill western capitalism. And as long as people value material comfort over autonomy, this will always be the case.

lit/21929193.txt

@@ -83,3 +83,103 @@ Etc
 >>21929219
 >lmfao dude i wandered out into the desert and a tornado of fire told me that we need to go kidnap gentile babies and torture them to death
 Demonic book.
+--- 21930868
+>>21929193 (OP)
+Seems like a big promise but I could do with some mental curing, so, ok, I'll give it a go.
+--- 21930953
+>>21929432
+>other people do it, so it's okay for me to do it
+--- 21931006
+the Indian religions are more Western than the Jewish ones
+--- 21931013
+>>21931006
+ok streetshitter
+--- 21931014
+>>21929432
+Were the warriors in the Old Testament killing their close relatives?
+--- 21931015
+>>21931013
+you will never have an intact penis
+--- 21931018
+>>21931015
+I do actually. how does my shit taste though, your holy place is good place to empty my bowels in.
+--- 21931807
+>>21931014
+Those "close relatives" joined the opposite side in a war in the tale of the Mahabharata, it's not "immoral" for a soldier to refrain from betraying the captain, army and ruler he is serving by switching sides or running away at the last moment, he is just doing his duty as a soldier by remaining and fighting.
+--- 21931814
+>>21930868
+Just chant AUM. No need to read any book.
+--- 21931878
+>>21929193 (OP)
+Vedas Aryan. Gita postvedic 
+. But i like reading it
+--- 21932076
+>>21931807
+It is immoral to kill your close relatives
+--- 21932222
+>>21931814
+There might not be a need but I enjoy narrative and philosophy so I will enjoy that side of it as well.
+--- 21932246
+>>21932076
+It's crazy that gentiles have to be told this.
+--- 21932385
+>>21931014
+>>21932076
+>>21932076
+>>21931014
+Context was already given, and this is not necessarily taken as a literalist history, but as a self-consciously crafted allegory to get across its philosophical and theological ideas. In the context of the tale, Arjuna’s own “all-too-human” personality, understandably balks at this situation, but one of the major messages of the work is that he would be going against his swadharma (own unique personal duty) by giving into such feelings.
+
+It is not just “killing your own close relatives” without any context, but that his close relatives are on the enemy side of this war. The most simplistic rejoinder to your equally facile injunction, is that if your close relatives were unjust aggressors planning to end the lives of thousands of innocents, it could be just (although difficult for the human personality) to kill them.
+
+>>21931014
+The most advanced spiritual wisdom sees when it is actually a mercy on the souls of corrupt people to kill them to prevent them from doing further harm to their own souls and to others, accumulating bad karmas and hence under ever greater risk of languishing in worse and worse hells in the afterlife.
+
+>other people do it, so it's okay for me to do it
+
+Well, an interesting thing about the Old Testament wars urged by Yahweh,
+--- 21932436
+>>21932385
+>>21930953
+>>21932385
+>>21930953
+(Continued, got cut off)…..,, is that the societies they were fighting against are supposed to have partaken in human and child sacrifice to their pagan gods, and ritual prostitution. Blood sacrifices to Moloch are no paragon of virtuous behavior, either!
+
+In the modern world, we are increasingly sheltered from such realities. So it understandably makes coming to a greater understanding and appreciation of ancient religious lore, history, and the wisdom of our ancestors more difficult. We use the standards we have from
+Being raised in relatively sheltered affluence (on average) to judge past civilizations closer to the primordial harshness of nature, closer to “Nature red in tooth and claw” in Tennyson’s words.
+--- 21932484
+>>21929193 (OP)
+It has some good stuff in it but Jesus is a better personage to point you toward God than Krishna..
+--- 21932510
+refuted
+--- 21933377
+>>21929193 (OP)
+The New Testament is all you need for appreciating the eternity, infinity, and grandeur of Our Lord Jesus Christ
+--- 21933395
+>>21929518
+>>21929599
+Good posts
+--- 21933512
+I am reading the Prabhupada version, basically ignoring the commentaries. I don't really see anything particularly engaging about it, seems like Krishna is just a less violent version of Yahweh from the Old Testament. The Supreme Personality of Godhead seems a little egotistical desu (worship ME, do everything for ME). Am I missing something? Seriously considering stopping and switching over to the Upanishads
+--- 21933524
+>>21933512
+I also really dislike this statement from Prabhupada:
+
+>Nor by independent study of books of knowledge can one progress in the spiritual life. One has to approach a bona fide spiritual master to receive the knowledge. Such a spiritual master should be accepted in full surrender, and one should serve the spiritual master like a menial servant, without false prestige. 
+
+Need I say more
+--- 21933932
+>>21933524
+He’s very much an authority type guy but the thing you need to understand is that when the submissive believe that it gives them far greater stability of mind which is very useful for many people. That hierarchical structure is divine in that regard. He gets a lot wrong though imo.
+--- 21933936
+>>21933512
+You are missing everything. Holy fuck my guy.
+--- 21933949
+>>21933936
+Hylics gonna hylic. Let the dead bury their dead.
+--- 21934027
+>>21932510
+What? Nietzsche praised it as the epitome of Aryan life affirmation
+--- 21934033
+>>21933524
+>I also really dislike this statement from Prabhupada:
+You're still attached to egoistic pride. You will never become enlightened from simply reading books, this is a fact.

lit/21929442.txt

@@ -135,3 +135,68 @@ Study Bibles?
 Based.
 --- 21930767
 Abimelech's death in Judges 9:53 is just like Pyrrhus'. How fucking common was getting killed by a woman throwing something heavy?
+--- 21931191
+>>21929442 (OP)
+The Best book of the Old Testament
+--- 21932298
+>>21929459
+>dessert
+Oh /lit/, how you disappoint me.
+--- 21932802
+>>21932298
+>/pol/
+>religion
+>racism
+>virgin vs. chad meme
+>made up sources
+You should be disappointed, but not for the very expected poor grasp on the language.
+--- 21932807
+>>21932802
+what are faggots like you even doing here?
+--- 21932827
+>>21932807
+I know, reading and discussing books isn't very common any more.
+--- 21932897
+>>21931191
+For me, it’s Isaiah
+--- 21933049
+>>21930548
+then why does samuel say a monarch was a betrayal of God
+--- 21933056
+>>21929471
+That's not dates of composition, that's the timeframe of the events
+--- 21933121
+>>21933049
+that's a tricky one. most secular views will probably tell you the book of samuel has the fingerprints of opposing schools all over it: anti-monarchy, anti-prophet, and anti-priest views all appear under the same roof within it. to me it looks like everyone had a say in its development (the origins of the kingdom would be a highly contentious subject for obvious reasons). whoever had the final say in judges ultimately believed the monarchy was the best solution, but perhaps begrudingly.
+
+part of me believes that the answer to your question is in the subtext. if the question is "how can a people remain close to god when abandoning prophets in favor of kings?" then God's answer is by making the king a prophet.
+--- 21933138
+Did you know that shofet (plural shofetim) was also used by Phoenician states, including Carthage, and that Hannibal Barca was probably a shofet of Carthage or almost became one?
+--- 21933353
+>>21929851
+replying to myself here, I prefer reading ramblings by schizophrenic Germans larping and hallucinating in Turin. im trans btw
+--- 21933757
+>>21929546
+protestant judaizing cope. the israelites didnt fall to xenophilia by worshipping their fucking gods (canaanite pantheon). yahwism was a fringe kool-aid among the jews for centuries, and in fact, yahweh may have been a non-canaanite god
+--- 21933909
+So what do you guys think about the system of government in Israel during Judges?
+
+It's essentially an anarcho-capitalist theocracy, with God as the de facto "head of state" of Israel and the Judges He raises up being his acting ministers whenever He needs to whip the Israelites back into shape.
+
+It's really interesting and I wonder how much scholarly study has been done on it, especially as regards a political philosophy perspective. It's basically totally unlike any system of government in any other nation on Earth, including Israel itself after the Davidic Monarchy was established. Even Egypt had the Pharoahs as incarnate gods, but God Himself seems to rule in absentia, though still obviously clearly present through signs and wonders.
+--- 21934050
+>>21930767
+>How fucking common was getting killed by a woman throwing something heavy?
+You'll want to read White Goddess right now.
+--- 21934069
+>>21929459
+S... stonemason???
+--- 21934073
+>>21929593
+He also said love not the world though.
+--- 21934143
+>>21933909
+There are frequently memes about communism being "a good idea but people will mess it up", or some variant of the kind. Communism is terrible, even in theory and for a priori reasons, but the statement works with ancapism, provided it is theocratic. Meaning it is really monarchy in the first place, but God only begrudgingly sets up human monarchy because of the fallen state of man, just like the subjection of women to males is only stated after and as consequence of the actions of Eve.
+--- 21934181
+>>21929546
+The Old Testament reads to me like rabbis screeching whenever they lost power and claiming it was lack of devotion to (them) God. Whenever they had power, they stopped screeching and claimed those were the good old times. Meanwhile in reality, everyone around the Jews formed more powerful empires that dominated them as a backwater afterthought on their frontier.

lit/21929539.txt

@@ -3,3 +3,98 @@
 >comfy, the book
 --- 21930493
 I think it gets a little less comfy as it goes on and veers in to less pleasant themes, but it still pretty good. the beginning when he is dragging stuff to his settlement through the snow is absolutely wonderful
+--- 21930843
+Thanks for the discovery of this author.
+--- 21930883
+>>21930493
+Even on its grimmest, it still evoking a strong imagery of a comfy life on the outdoors.
+Barbro and inger's sister deserve suffering tho
+--- 21931647
+>>21929539 (OP)
+I read the plot section of this book's Wikipedia page and I've got to say that this is probably the worst book I've ever heard of.
+--- 21932002
+>>21929539 (OP)
+Bumpu ~
+--- 21932008
+>>21929539 (OP)
+This book is awful.
+--- 21932018
+>>21931647
+amateurish bait
+--- 21932032
+>>21932018
+Your reply is a great example of cognitive dissonance.
+--- 21932055
+>>21930883
+Why did Axel accept Barbro at the end? Why was he such a pathetic cuck
+--- 21932071
+>>21929539 (OP)
+Words cannot express how bad this book is.
+--- 21932235
+>>21932008
+Why
+--- 21932253
+i enjoyed this book, and hunger and pan as well. sucks that hamsun was a racist weirdo and a nazi tho.
+--- 21932514
+>>21929539 (OP)
+I was in the hospital when I started reading it and my health's deteriorarion coincided with the times where I read this book the most. I stopped and was out in less than a week. This book is honestly a disgrace to literature.
+--- 21932746
+>>21932514
+What the hell? I had terrible back pain when I started reading it and I had good posture and all but the moment I finished it was the moment I felt the biggest relief ever, like a weight was lifted off my back -- literally. I hope people steer clear from this book, it's so bad.
+--- 21932759
+>>21932032
+Not really. I just took the opportunity to bump a thread.
+--- 21932772
+>>21932514
+I have a similar experience. I was dealing with a viral infection, and as I read this book my condition only got worse. By the time I reached the last few chapters, I needed to be hospitalized, and only recovered after pushing through and finishing it. This book nearly killed me
+--- 21932790
+>>21932514
+>>21932746
+I had erectile dysfunction when I started reading this book. The very moment I put this book down my dick shot through the ceiling and collapsed the roof, killing everyone inside.
+--- 21932810
+>>21929539 (OP)
+I have bad memories about this book because my grandma died on the day that I decided to start reading it. I almost cried when I saw the front cover as the picrel. I haven't picked it up since. Also I fell down the stairs and broke my leg.
+--- 21932984
+>>21929539 (OP)
+I hate this book.
+--- 21932998
+>>21932235
+Why didn't he answer?
+--- 21933018
+>>21929539 (OP)
+10/10 until the fucking woman shows up
+--- 21933046
+>>21933018
+Isn't that like page 40
+--- 21933099
+>>21932055
+Being alone sucks
+--- 21933940
+>>21929539 (OP)
+Beautiful book
+--- 21933943
+>>21931647
+“Plot summary” 
+Can’t be serious.
+--- 21933950
+>>21929539 (OP)
+I can’t believe you retards are hating on this beautiful peace of art. Please fuck off and stop polluting this place. 
+
+>boohoo plot is boring 
+
+You should genuinely feel horrible about the state of your mind.
+--- 21933952
+Hunger is better. 
+/thread/
+--- 21934141
+>>21933952
+dreadfully newfaggy post
+--- 21934146
+mysterier bros rise up
+--- 21934168
+Novels are inherently comfy. A novel that purposely tries to be comfy risks being sleep-inducing.
+--- 21934221
+what happened to this board?
+--- 21934300
+>>21934221
+Cuckoldry.

lit/21929727.txt

@@ -129,3 +129,44 @@ these are a few of the early highlights, but there are a lot more early Christia
 --- 21930758
 >>21930743
 Based.
+--- 21930930
+>>21929727 (OP)
+For early, you want to read the Ante-Nicene fathers, aka that Apostolic fathers, and the New Testament apocrypha
+--- 21931016
+>>21930757
+Which are the best
+--- 21931084
+>>21929727 (OP)
+Philokalia
+--- 21931095
+>>21931016
+>the epistle to Diognetus 
+Is honestly one of the best thing ever written and in my view it is the first prose that signals Christendom's rise and paganism slow and awkward death.
+--- 21931138
+>>21931016
+Most of them are very short writings. In a week or two you can easily read everything there with not so much time dedicate every day.
+If you already read the New Testament than the Didache would be a good choice to continue with. Some scholars argue that it was written before the destruction of Jerusalem, so it's a very early Christian text, by some accounts earlier than some New Testament writings.
+--- 21931977
+>>21930259
+/thread.
+--- 21932053
+>>21929727 (OP)
+>The Book of The Bee
+>The Boof of The Cave of Treasures
+--- 21932070
+>>21930743
+The Holy Spirit sounds like a demon to me.
+--- 21932332
+>>21932070
+>The Holy Spirit sounds like a demon to me.
+Your post sounds demonic to me.
+--- 21932975
+Any Christian antinatalism bro could tell me where to download this book for free? I have searched everywhere for it to no avail.
+--- 21933647
+>>21932975
+Wasn't that a sect that was basically "sex is MEGA bad!"? They were heretics, however, those that give up a family for God are blessed just as much as the family man. Not because sex is le bad, but because it is very good, and letting go of the instinct of making a family for God is quite a cross to bear.
+--- 21933776
+I have a similar interest. 
+
+I would like to get information on the the very beginning of the church. From Jesus to the schism. 
+Is there anything on this that is conclusive?

lit/21929783.txt

@@ -58,3 +58,68 @@ You log the places you fart in?
 --- 21930564
 >>21929783 (OP)
 Check out Daniel Defoe
+--- 21930902
+>>21929783 (OP)
+The Sea Wolf (it goes to shit in the second half when the the topic of the story changes to simping for a woman but I assume this changing of the topic in the middle is a conscious choice and a reference to The Narrative of Arthur Gordon Pym of Nantucket, where the topic of the story also completely changed exactly in the middle) (I didn't like The Narrative of Arthur Gordon Pym of Nantucket all that much but it's part of boat literature canon so you should read it too)
+also The North Water if you want edgy shit that literally was conceptualised by the author as Blood Meridian on boat
+if you want something less edgy then Melville's Redburn and White-Jacket, very nice and very informative, Redburn has a plot and drama but White-Jacket is 90% autistic descriptions of every aspect of life in a man-of-war, with scenes of characters doing things only serving as illustrations 
+and Two Years Before the Mast is a must
+--- 21930909
+Calm at Sunset, Calm at Dawn
+Men’s Lives
+Far Tortuga
+--- 21931315
+>>21929783 (OP)
+Well, it's not directly about being at sea, but ''With Brendan Behan'' was written by a seafarer, and the type of man that he was is certainly illustrated.
+--- 21931403
+>>21930051
+This
+--- 21931675
+>>21930019
+six posts in.
+Tsk, tsk, /lit/. Tsk, tsk.
+--- 21931681
+>>21929783 (OP)
+Captains Courageous by Kipling
+(among the other excellent titles posted be this one)
+--- 21931744
+>>21931675
+it's a number 1 book of /lit/, it's safe to assume that anybody posting here is aware of it, if they hadn't read it already
+--- 21932049
+>>21931744
+>it's safe to assume
+--- 21932061
+read my diary i work on a submarine
+--- 21932135
+>>21929783 (OP)
+Aubrey-Maturin series (Master and Commander.)
+
+It's like Jane Austen in its description of society, yet with naval combat, and following men at war rather than women seeking husbands.
+--- 21932164
+Try The Death Ship. The German original (Das Totenschiff) was great, I don't know about the translation.
+--- 21932504
+>>21932049
+The first post was a lesser work of Melville's, it is indeed safe to assume that OP and everybody else on /lit/ has heard of Moby Dick
+--- 21932508
+>>21929841
+Absolutely. I recommend 'Youth' in particular for a taste of realistic ocean peril.
+--- 21933198
+>>21929783 (OP)
+This is a good one, also White Jacket...
+--- 21933199
+>>21933198
+Forgot image
+--- 21933235
+>>21931744
+It's safe to assume that no one here even reads. The real readers on /lit/ are arthoes that lurk but don't ever post.
+--- 21934046
+>>21933199
+hell yeah fellow meliville devotee. i love the part where he gets his crewmate to wake him up at during his naps to tell him he doesn't have to wake up yet.
+--- 21934066
+>>21929783 (OP)
+Almost anything by Joseph Conrad.
+--- 21934139
+>>21933235
+>women
+>the real anything
+post beefcurtains

lit/21929820.txt

@@ -123,3 +123,214 @@ the whole thing really man. find a new thing
 >>21929820 (OP)
 >He thinks mathematic is real, and not a made up concept that collapsed on itself upon scrutiny.
 Lol. Lmao even.
+--- 21931709
+>>21930451
+> Perception inarguably exists. 
+This is the unjustified leap of logic that I pointed out earlier, at best it can be claimed that “perceptions appear as an object of knowledge”, this is an EPISTEMIC claim and not an ONTOLOGICAL one. There is no proof whatsoever that perceptions exist (their ontological status). Langan doesn’t provide this proof so his CTMU relies on an unjustified leap of logic that conflates the epistemic and the ontological. It’s demonstrably not “inarguable” since some philosophical views disagree that perceptions exist. 
+
+>Now suppose there is a perceptually identifiable distinction between any two arbitrary X and Y. Then the distinction exists in perception.
+Again, this is another laughable leap of logic that’s totally unjustified. How you would you identify these? By perceiving them. What does you perceiving them mean? It means them coming with the range of your knowledge. This is an epistemic claim and not an ontological one. Just because you perceive something doesn’t mean that said thing exists, that’s confusing the epistemic with the ontological.
+--- 21931762
+>>21929837
+He also thinksthat facebook stole the idea to call their company “meta” from him because of how much he uses the word
+--- 21931772
+>>21929820 (OP)
+>his theory is certain because it’s based on logic
+Please do ten ODE’s with ten variables each and see if after such an exercise you believe mathematics is certain.
+--- 21931784
+>>21930451
+>perception inarguably exists
+>inarguably
+Myth of given
+--- 21931841
+>>21931709
+To avoid playing some stupid and endlessly repeating obscurantist-semantic game with you, I'm going to tell you how existence is defined in the CTMU even though you have not read any substantial part of it. Existence in the CTMU is defined on relevance to perception. This means that "perceptual inclusion and exclusion" is synonymous with "existence and nonexistence". This is why there is something in the CTMU called infocognition. Because you cannot have *information* without *cognition*. Now I suppose the next thing you are going to do is repeat yourself by saying something like "Other philosophers disagree and think existence means something different, so why is this definition correct? There is no evidence!" The evidence is your own mind. Do you know anything? Then you know it mentally. Aside from this, the infocognition concept goes considerably farther than human brains, including every kind of acceptance and recognition. Consider the statement "X exists". You might not want to believe it, but there is an implicit act of mutual cognition being invoked in the word "exists". You are, at bare minimum, saying that X is coherently recognized and accepted by something existent. If you disagree, I challenge you to provide your own definition of existence which does not immediately appeal to cognition. That is, if you are capable of original thought, and not simply a robot who is only capable of the one sentence "there is no proof" or variations thereof.
+--- 21931946
+>>21931841
+>To avoid playing some stupid and endlessly repeating obscurantist-semantic game with you, I'm going to tell you how existence is defined in the CTMU even though you have not read any substantial part of it. Existence in the CTMU is defined on relevance to perception. This means that "perceptual inclusion and exclusion" is synonymous with "existence and nonexistence". 
+So then something not perceived by anyone (a rock in a cave) doesn't exist? 
+
+>Now I suppose the next thing you are going to do is repeat yourself by saying something like "Other philosophers disagree and think existence means something different, so why is this definition correct? There is no evidence!"
+Well, this is indeed the correct response to something that people laughably shill as being "self-justifying"
+
+>The evidence is your own mind. Do you know anything? Then you know it mentally.
+That's not actually demonstrating that said thing exists and it's not demonstrating that "perceptual inclusion and exclusion" is synonymous with "existence and nonexistence", it's only demonstrating that what I know is appearing in knowledge, which is an epistemic claim that doesn't prove or demonstrate any ontological truth. You said that this is supposed to be 'evidence' which supports the CTMU's definition of existence but how could it ever be taken seriously as confirmatory evidence when it relies on yet another conflation of the epistemic with the ontological? 
+
+>Consider the statement "X exists". You might not want to believe it, but there is an implicit act of mutual cognition being invoked in the word "exists". You are, at bare minimum, saying that X is coherently recognized and accepted by something existent. 
+This is not saying anything meaningful whatsoever lol. Every act of stating a proposition about something involves a mutual cognition about the thing itself (X) and also whatever the claim the proposition (A) makes about X, however this applies equally to the discussion about the existence and non-existence of something, so the fact that someone can entertain the notion of "this exists" in regard to something doesn't actually prove anything whatsoever and certainly doesn't prove the CTMU's definition of existence, because they can also entertain the idea of "this doesn't exist" in regard to it (you are arbitrarily claiming that only one side of this coin has ontological significance).
+
+>If you disagree, I challenge you to provide your own definition of existence which does not immediately appeal to cognition. 
+I personally prefer definitions of existence that connect or identify it with self-sufficiency or independence, but this is neither here nor there viz. me identifying the unjustified leaps of logic in the CTMU that falsify its presumptions of being "self-proving' or 'self-justifying'
+
+>That is, if you are capable of original thought
+Why are you so concerned with being original while being engaging in the act of shilling another thinker?
+--- 21932541
+>>21931946
+>So then something not perceived by anyone (a rock in a cave) doesn't exist?
+You claim I make an anthropocentric argument. But this possibility is explicitly ruled out by the sentence "the infocognition concept goes considerably farther than human brains, including every kind of acceptance and recognition". This post is only about one paragraph long, but you happened to miss this sentence anyhow and the entire argument which followed it. That's characteristic of profound mental retardation. Yes, that's ad hominem. And no, I don't have any other kind of response appropriate for someone who does not even characterize what I am saying accurately.
+
+>That's not actually demonstrating that said thing exists and it's not demonstrating that "perceptual inclusion and exclusion" is synonymous with "existence and nonexistence"
+Existence is a word. Words have meanings. The word existence is defined in the CTMU with regards to perceptual inclusion. Therefore, perceptual inclusion equals existence. This wouldn't be acceptable if I were using some word we use to refer to some concrete physical object that has a very well agreed-upon definition like the word "elephant". But I'm not. I'm using the word "existence", an abstract philosophical term with no generally recognized referent. There is no such thing as the "objective meaning" of a word. If you don't agree with the definition, then you're welcome to provide your own definition. Until then, there is no point in responding to what is essentially a statement that you don't agree with the definition, or that I have to "demonstrate" that perceptual inclusion is existence when *you're not even defining what existence is*.
+
+>Perceptual inclusion isn't existence? Why? Um... it just isn't OK! No, I won't provide my own definition of existence. I'm going to keep using the word in a sense different from what *you use it to refer to* and use it to refer to *something else*. No, I won't say what this something else is. I'm going to keep parroting the word existence until words stop having meanings or the CTMU explodes in a puff of smoke.
+--- 21932591
+>>21932541
+>perceptual inclusion equals existence
+Not the previous anon but how do you get any interesting information out of this as to what "exists"? Anybody can perceive anything, but for example, person that has the perception or perceptual correlate of "CTMU is false" would presumably be wrong in your view. People can perceive false mathematical results etc. Does that mean correct mathematical perceptions do not exist? I mean, this kind of definition seems to be stuck in a complete phenomenalist dead-end where you can't form a theory of anything.
+--- 21932612
+CTMU is basically a pseudo intellectual word salad that borrows a lot of random terminology from model theory, cosmology, information theory, mathematics, and a bunch of other disciplines. What it boils down to is essentially just neoplatonism with extra steps. 
+
+When presented with arguments against his “theory” all his sycophants essentially resort to emperors new clothes type cock sucking of langan “Don’t understand it? Well maybe you’re just too much of a brainlet to comprehend Langan’s massive brain” which was a huge red flag for me
+ the guy is obviously very well read and intelligent but he is also clearly narcissistic to the point of delusion and supports a lot of fascist talking points and conspiracy theories.
+--- 21932621
+>>21932591
+Also it leads to contradictory results:
+All that exists is perception
+Perception requires a perceiver
+Perceiver is logically prior to perception
+Therefore, something else than perception must exist, even though perception is synonymous with existence
+
+So starting with defining reality as perception leads to a contradiction, unless there's a really good theory of non-perceiver oriented perception.
+--- 21932639
+>>21932591
+>Anybody can perceive anything, but for example, person that has the perception or perceptual correlate of "CTMU is false" would presumably be wrong in your view.
+Not really, insofar as opinion does not generally give you the power to rewrite the actual perceptual constraints that are in place. If I begin sawing your hand off, you're generally going to agree that your hand exists. You can disagree, but it doesn't change the fact that the saw digging into your wrist is still there and interacts with it informationally, even if you are not fully conscious or aware of it.
+--- 21932643
+>>21932621
+*all that exists is perception
+replace with the original "existence is synonymous with perception", baka
+--- 21932657
+>>21932639
+>it doesn't change the fact that the saw digging into your wrist is still there and interacts with it informationally, even if you are not fully conscious or aware of it.
+Then it seems existence is not synonymous with perceptual inclusion
+--- 21932660
+>>21932621
+>All that exists is perception
+I never said that. What I did say is that perceptual inclusion is existence. This means that there must be something which one perceives and which is included in the perception. Percepts are obviously defined on percipients, and vice versa. They come as one. Hence, infocognition.
+--- 21932668
+>>21932660
+>perceptual inclusion is existence
+I fixed it, the logic stays the same. If perceptual inclusion is synonymous with existence yet it requires a perceiver to EXIST, you end up in a contradiction to your original claim (or regress)
+--- 21932677
+>>21932657
+>Then it seems existence is not synonymous with perceptual inclusion
+Hm... "perceptual inclusion". Now that's a term, isn't it. Could it perhaps be one I explicitly defined in a non-anthropocentric manner with reference to generalized "acceptance and recognition"? I'll let you answer that question, having lazy niggers conjure up statements and attributing them to me in opposition to the words which I actually wrote and which are quotable right here in this thread is getting a little tiresome.
+--- 21932683
+>>21932668
+You might rephrase your argument for me, because I'm not seeing the contradiction.
+--- 21932686
+>>21932677
+>the saw digging into your wrist is still there 
+You just said that the saw exists without perception. Therefore, you hold that perception/perceptual inclusion/acceptance and recognition is not synonymous with existence, in contradiction with your original comment.
+--- 21932697
+>>21932683
+Well, I said contradiction or regress. It's contradiction if you hold that something exists unrelated to being perceived as a cause of which perceptions can exist(you admitting perceptions require a perceiver amounts to this). It's regress if you try to deny this to say that the perceiver is also perceived (by whom?)
+--- 21932698
+>>21932686
+>You just said that the saw exists without perception.
+No, dumbass. I said it exists without consciousness or awareness. I identified perception with generalized mutual input-output interaction.
+--- 21932709
+>>21932698
+>exists without consciousness or awareness
+So it's senseless to say that what exists here is a perception, which you already admitted requires a perceiver perceiving it.
+--- 21932711
+>>21932709
+>you already admitted requires a perceiver perceiving it.
+Quote where I said perception requires a human mind. Right fucking now bitch.
+--- 21932721
+>>21932711
+>This means that there must be something which one perceives and which is included in the perception. Percepts are obviously defined on percipients
+It doesn't matter if the perceiver is human or not. If you say there's someone who perceives everything and therefore also the saw, you're just back to the regress/contradiction about this perceiver, whatever it may be.
+--- 21932737
+>>21932721
+Let's recap. I claim humans can fail to be aware or conscious of a saw digging into their wrists, but the saw still exists. I say this is because the saw still interacts informationally with the person's body. I identified information processing with a general form of perception. Now you're saying there's a contradiction. Now I'm asking you to identify the contradiction. Now where the fuck is the contradiction?
+--- 21932753
+>>21932737
+>I identified information processing
+Who or what is processing the information? His body? Does the body then exist without any processing? Some other substance? Does this substance exist without information processing/perception, and if, so, how is this not a contradiction to your thesis?
+--- 21932762
+>>21932753
+The saw and the body both recognize the existence of each other and to that extent process each other. That's why they interact. And the contradiction is where? You still haven't pointed it out.
+--- 21932791
+>>21932762
+I have already pointed it out multiple times. If the saw and the body are distinct entities between which there can be a relation of information processing, this means existence is not synonymous with perception/information processing. This is a contradiction to your original claim that it is.
+--- 21932813
+>>21932791
+>If the saw and the body are distinct entities between which there can be a relation of information processing, this means existence is not synonymous with perception/information processing.
+Your argument, as far as I can see, goes something like this:
+1. Two things process each other's information content (perceive).
+2. Therefore, existence is not synonymous with perception.
+I really do not see how you are reasoning from 1 to 2. I mean this sincerely. Maybe some more exposition is in order.
+--- 21932816
+>>21929820 (OP)
+>The CTMU proves that God exists by providing a valid framework for the overall structure of reality, and showing that this structure exhibits properties traditionally attributed to God. In doing so, the CTMU provides the logical foundation of a Theory of Everything; and thereby constitutes absolute truth.
+holy gaps in logic batman
+--- 21932821
+>>21932541
+>You claim I make an anthropocentric argument
+No, I merely asked if that was the intended implication behind what you were saying, it’s ironic that you would get this wrong in the same post that you accused me of not understanding you. 
+
+>But this possibility is explicitly ruled out by the sentence "the infocognition concept goes considerably farther than human brains, including every kind of acceptance and recognition".
+Yes, but by whom? Who accepts or rejects something no living being has ever encountered? And how?
+
+>The word existence is defined in the CTMU with regards to perceptual inclusion. Therefore, perceptual inclusion equals existence.
+If Langan doesn’t justify this assertion then it’s an unjustified logical leap and any claim that the CTMU is ‘self-verifying’, ‘self-justifying’ or ‘self-proving’ all go out the window entirely, there is absolutely no way to include these unjustified leaps and also be ‘self-proving’.
+
+>There is no such thing as the "objective meaning" of a word. If you don't agree with the definition, then you're welcome to provide your own definition. Until then, there is no point in responding to what is essentially a statement that you don't agree with the definition, or that I have to "demonstrate" that perceptual inclusion is existence when *you're not even defining what existence is*.
+As I have identified, this definition is an unjustified and unproven metaphysical assertion which Langan makes, this clearly and demonstrably falsifies the claim that the CTMU is ‘self-justifying’ or ‘self-proving’. If you don’t care about defending the CTMU or claims of it being ‘self-justifying’, then indeed you would have no reason to reply to my post, but since you do seem to care, it does in fact give you a reason to respond. Whether or not there is an objective definition of a word is actually irrelevant to my point about CTMU involving unjustified metaphysical assertions. In the hypothetical two scenarios of ‘existence’ having either an objective or non-objective meaning, Langan’s assertion would still be unjustified either way, thus the CTMU isn’t self-justifying. There is no way around this, you can either accept it or continue to cope about it.
+--- 21932824
+>>21932821
+>>21932541
+>Until then, there is no point in responding to what is essentially a statement that you don't agree with the definition, or that I have to "demonstrate" that perceptual inclusion is existence when *you're not even defining what existence is*.
+If the CTMU actually is ‘self-justifying’ then you would be able to sufficiently justify this, but you’re unable to because it isn’t actually self-justifying. Dismissing my point as irrelevant because I didn’t provide a different definition of existence myself is just moving the goalposts, as my point requires me to take no stand about the correct definition of existence. You are displaying the same sort of childish attitude that midwit Jay Dyer fanboys display when they dismiss other religions/philosophies by repeating his apologetics talking points about how “everything except Ortho doctrine can be generalized into these two categories that fail for X reasons, therefore Orthodoxy is true”; it shows that you don’t have an actual interest in finding out the truth, because when you are confronted with challenges to what you claim is the truth you cope by moving the goalposts in response instead of honestly confronting and engaging with the challenge.
+--- 21932874
+>>21932824
+*my point does not require me to take any stand about the correct definition of existence, contra the CTMU
+--- 21932882
+>>21932813
+It just goes back to the question about the perceiver: for these things to process information content, a processor has to be presumed. Or we must think of them as processors. So the processing, with which existence is supposed to be synonymous with, requires yet anything something else to exist. Either this something else exists independently, in which case we have a contradiction with the original claim "existence is synonymous with information processing", or there's an infinite regress, where a processor is perceived by yet another processor ad infinitum.
+--- 21932910
+>>21932824
+>If the CTMU actually is ‘self-justifying'
+It isn't, he can't derive experimentally obtained constants from prior axioms or equations and has to use sleight of hand to slip them in while saying that they're not there.
+--- 21932932
+>>21932821
+>>21932824
+>No, I merely asked if that was the intended implication behind what you were saying
+OK sure, you didn't make any "claim". You just asked a question which I already implicitly answered in the post to which you were responding.
+>Yes, but by whom? Who accepts or rejects something no living being has ever encountered? And how?
+At the very least, existence itself must accept or reject that which exists. That's how it exists after all. I find it hard to see how you can claim that "X exists, but fails to interact with existence in any way whatsoever".
+>If Langan doesn’t justify this assertion then it’s an unjustified logical leap
+The justification is in the word existence. What is it that exists? Whatever exists. But if it exists, then obviously it interacts with existence in some form. The air around it. The vacuum. Spacetime. *Existence itself*. Disagree? Then what does existence mean? No, "you haven't proven that existence needs to interact with existence in order to exist" isn't a response. It's a claim without evidence. Because all the evidence, logical and empirical, points to the fact that something must interact with existence to exist. So how about it, Einstein. Prove that existence isn't defined on *inclusion in, acceptance by, and thus interaction with* existence.
+--- 21933095
+>>21932932
+I think I can predict how you're going to respond somewhat. You're going to respond to:
+>I find it hard to see how you can claim that "X exists, but fails to interact with existence in any way whatsoever".
+With:
+>Ackshually I didn't literally claim that, le checkmate.
+So I will say that for the purposes of this discussion, acceptance is inclusion is interaction. So the negation of one constitutes a negation of the other two.
+--- 21933106
+>>21929820 (OP)
+Something about the way things are titled in this feels inauthentic and dodgy. Maybe its the capitalization and unusual use of common words. But this really isn't very compelling to believe in.
+--- 21933110
+>>21933106
+>capitalization therefore incorrect
+woah...this is the power of anti-CTMU argumentation...
+--- 21933118
+>>21929820 (OP)
+>A Cognitive-
+Stopped reading right there.
+--- 21933146
+>>21933110
+This is obviously a subjective observation and doesn't attack the content of his beliefs, but the way he creates terms and uses language is too reminiscent of how many cults describe themselves.
+--- 21933174
+>>21933146
+>new words = scary = evil death cult
+damn... i should have known that when i downloaded these free papers.. i was being tricked for so long... i gave all the time i had to support this conman's luxurious lifestyle of shoveling horseshit on a ranch... how could i be so stupid... how could you just invent new words... no one has ever done that in the history of science...
+--- 21934095
+>>21932824
+>i use word X to refer to thing Y
+>zomg proof?!?!?!11
+--- 21934212
+This thread is quite amusing, like a satire by Pope or Swift on the vanity of scholarly pursuit, culminating in very earnest semantic battles.
+Anyway, can the ctmu shill provide ONE, literally just one insight from it that is theoretically fruitful, ie helps make sense of the world? No I'm not asking for "practical results", only proper theoretical ones. Because that's the one thing one never gets in the ctmu threads for some reason.

lit/21929855.txt

@@ -311,3 +311,556 @@ Schaub heems them both
 --- 21930738
 >>21930465
 Based Gabler poster
+--- 21930942
+>>21930214
+Agreed. It's the right-wing version of calling everything racist.
+--- 21930943
+>>21930198
+I was in adjacent circles for a number of years and eventually it became remarked-upon that nobody has ever met or seen Anglin in person. Not people who wrote for him, not people who ran comparable sites, not people who joined his stupid and short-lived "Book clubs.“ After the 2016 election I attended a party very near his home in Ohio which would have been a big deal for someone in his shoes to network, but he was absent for completely unknown reasons. I‘m not necessarily saying anything more than we know—that he‘s a mongoloid who leveraged middle-class comfort into southeast asian decadence and would be laughed out of any room he physically appeared in; but the fact that he *could* be an operative of some kind with no actual, irl credentials to speak to his character as is the basis of politics is significant. 
+
+Not unrelated to the fact that in 2017 he instigated a record-setting fund drive from the right wing allegedly to defend their first amendment rights in court, then just didn‘t show up to the proceedings. 
+
+That he doesn‘t see the transvaluating power of McCarthy‘s work, especially to White men, to adapt to a post-social and more survivalist archetype—that he doesn‘t even grasp how language is used to this end and can only conceive of atavism and tersity as ripping off his literally who pulp writers, is tremendously emblematic of this character. We shouldn‘t expect different from somebody who has said that the only purpose of art is to entertain and lists John Wick as the only good movies of recent years. It‘s fundamentally a good thing that his pearl-clutching maladaptive polite-anglosphere-christian worldview gets stomped repeatedly and has no bones to defend itself.
+--- 21931078
+>>21930333
+If that were true it would be overtly heretical.
+--- 21931282
+this cormac fellow whoever he is must be quite based to be causing this much seethe
+--- 21931287
+>>21931282
+I like the way you think
+--- 21931297
+>>21931287
+Don't forget to wish him a happy birthday tomorrow.
+--- 21931298
+>>21930942
+No. Blood Meridian is a truly satanic book especially.
+--- 21931313
+>>21931297
+https://odysee.com/@Guben14:0/Adolf-Hitler-The-Man-Of-Steel:5
+
+https://counter-currents.com/2017/04/remembering-adolf-hitler-4/
+--- 21931324
+>>21929855 (OP)
+The way he accuses everyone in the world of being molested except him makes me think he got megamolested
+--- 21931325
+>>21929855 (OP)
+>5 foot tall unmistakably american phenotype goblin creature
+>he is also a eugenicist nazi
+In a way I kinda get that the ones most afflicted by free breeding want to put a stop to it, but on the other hand, I think it is profoundly strange that these people are so self-hating that they'd espouse their own extermination for the betterment of the gene pool.
+--- 21931359
+All the talk about the "aestheticization of meaningless violence and suffering" raises an interesting question. Is the moralist position that the presentation of evil in art is an aesthetic flaw? If it is admitted that evil is part of reality, the upshot is that a good work of art is one that does not present things as they are.
+--- 21931645
+>>21930534
+Europe worships demons and that's why you're all okay with muslims invading your borders.
+--- 21931774
+>>21931298
+Yeah, I got that vibe about it after reading so many shillposts about it here and on /pol/.
+--- 21931866
+>>21930530
+Are you mentally retarded? Sperm fertilizes egg and produces a human with the genetic potential to be 6'5. Scenario 1: he has good nutrition and grows to be 6'5. Scenario 2: he has poor nutrition and grows to be 5'3. Don't judge things based on their usage by retarded psychologists.
+--- 21932138
+what a retard the guy in OPs pic is
+--- 21932170
+>>21930080
+stfu compatibilist cuck
+--- 21932171
+>>21930148
+vanilla is the best flavor, way to expose yourself as having the palette of a 9 year old.
+>>21929935
+>He knew if the child was not the word of God then God never spoke
+the words of a man nearing death watching his son come of age. that sounds nihilistic to you?
+>but he believes in evolution
+genesis 1 was always a myth, you dope. where did the people cain meets after his exile come from?
+--- 21932186
+>>21932171
+>where did the people cain meets after his exile come from?
+Incest. Men lived for hundreds of years so it was perfectly feasible. This also implies that Bible acknowledges a specific type of evolution that is merely degeneration, rather than evolution as we understand it in the sense of creatures growing stronger and more fit for their environments when they actually just shed superfluous features instead of adding complexity.
+--- 21932250
+>>21932186
+And yet they were left out of Adam's genealogy.
+--- 21932268
+>>21931645
+Hmm today I will check if anything happened in the last century to export american ideology to Europe
+
+Hmm now I will check if americans are in a demographic free fall while Europe largely remains >90% White.
+--- 21932290
+>>21932268
+>>21931645
+--- 21932316
+>>21932290
+The funniest part of this is 100 million self-identiying who don‘t actually count
+
+Apparently it jumped a lot in 2020 but IIRC my census counted various arabs and stuff as White which probably accounts for that
+--- 21932779
+>>21931866
+So, you agree with me.
+Good.
+Yes, as I said, both epigenetics and Lamarckian evolution are both bullshit.
+Cool.
+Then why is one called out while the other not, by the Science®! Crew online?
+(You)r really not very good at this are (You)?
+(You)
+(You)
+(You)
+(You)
+Or maybe (You) are just bumping the thread?
+--- 21932789
+>>21929855 (OP)
+the most american thread on /lit/ right now
+--- 21932944
+>>21929855 (OP)
+Did Anglin start a family yet, or does he still pay SEA women to masturbate him?
+--- 21932949
+>>21929879
+No, he just really dislike Jews (for good reason). He also dislike neo nazis for a variety of reasons such as their feminism or being complete tools on any relevant subject of contemporary politics (pro-covid regime, pro-ukraine, anti-China, etc).
+--- 21932952
+>>21932949
+Does anyone really call themselves neonazis these days? There is a guy on Twitter whose name is "Racial Consciousness" who calls himself a Natsoc but I dont think he is part of a group and he is one of the only ones I can think of
+--- 21932972
+>>21932952
+The word neonazi is itself a creation from media/intelligence community and was hardly ever revendicated so it's pointless to ask who identifies as one. In terms of dressing up in cheap knockoff SS uniforms, "neonazism" died around 2010 and had been moribond for a while before that. 
+There are still some people that are neo nazis or claim to be nazis or take inspiration from them. Some element of the shitshow following the mid 2010s effervescence are like this. People like TRS who are frequent posters against the "anglin wing" (or whatever it should be called).
+--- 21932974
+>>21931359
+His opinions on art and media are worthless. He made a shillpost for the video game Disco Elysium which is extremely anti-white and made by a gay communist. It came out of absolutely fucking nowhere, like "Disco Elysium turns 1 year old today, by the way guise I just wanted to tell you about this thing I absolutely hecking love".
+--- 21933032
+>>21932974
+Anglin's a retard, but his position here isn't excessively retarded. If you want literature (and one could extend this to all media; think of the outrage over violent video games and movies) to promote good morals and human excellence, then something like The Road should be seen as horrific and harmful. To some extent this was the mainstream view for most of human history, and only since WW1 have such works become acceptable. 
+
+I don't agree with Anglin and think McCarthy is an excellent writer but it's still an interesting issue, having vastly more intellectual depth than its proponent.
+--- 21933078
+>>21933032
+you right wingers are retards, getting triggered by muh satan muh jews, you are just as bad as lefties who get triggered by muh racisms
+--- 21933167
+>>21932779
+You're literally just a faggot that's mad at pop science and trannies.
+--- 21933189
+>>21931359
+>Is the moralist position that the presentation of evil in art is an aesthetic flaw?
+Yes. It's unironically a very low IQ trait.
+
+Anglin, like Richard Spencer, thought that he could roleplay-as-Hitler his way into becoming dictator of the US. Both of them forgot that Hitler was constantly dodging assassination attempts and spent long periods of time in prison, and neither of them had the stones to do that. So now they do tepid "I used to be a Nazi but now I'm anti-Nazi so listen to my hot take" garbage to appeal to Libtards.
+--- 21933210
+>>21930530
+>How is epigenetics not Lamarkian?
+By... not being Lamarckianism? 
+
+Lamarck proposed that there was no unit of heredity, rather at the time of copulation the act of sex creates an averaged copy of the mother and the father. Lamarck also argued that life is fundamentally malleable and that throughout life organisms slowly change. Thus, an organism slowly molds itself in a direction, mates, and its kid is the averaged copy. Lamarck's theory was created to explain the obvious empirical reality of organisms changing over time and the not-so-obvious existence of a unity of heredity. Remember that Lamarck lived 1744-1829 and that DNA wasn't discovered until 1951, so there was a full 122 years between Lamarck's death and the discovery that heredity was even an objective thing, as opposed to just being an abstraction.
+
+Epigenetics by comparison is the study of chemical environmental effects on DNA molecules (although the study of non-genetic biological information and non-genetic heredity often gets lumped under it). Emphasis on "molecules", as genes are discrete, so you can't just "use epigenetics to make yourself taller" or whatever, which is in complete contradiction to Lamarck who held that you can in fact make yourself taller by just whisper "grow grow grow" to yourself. 
+
+Also, no, there's no such thing as "psychological induced epigenetics", epigenetic phenomena can only occur via chemical processes.
+--- 21933221
+>>21933210
+Not him and don't really care and not following your boring pedantry closely but Lamarckism is frequently used in a far more expansive sense than Lamarck's personal views just Darwinism is. Also, critics of anti-gene reductionist epigenetics theories of evolution often do call it Lamarckism. It is frequently used to mean simply inheritance of acquired characteristics. 
+
+Whether you dislike this or not has little to do with the fact that it's frequently and intelligibly used as shorthand by professional biologists and paleontologists, nor the fact that, if it were true, a lot of neo-Darwinist dogma would go out the window, which is precisely what these people are afraid of.
+--- 21933224
+>>21933221
+>blah blah blah if i redefine words in ways that no one who knows what they're talking about uses them then i can say whatever i want
+Well, yeah, you can do that, but it just makes people point out that you're wrong and laugh at you.
+--- 21933258
+>>21933224
+I'm glad I guessed correctly that your IQ caps out around 110 and this was 99% likely to be your response, because it allowed be to preemptively respond to it already in the post you're replying to. Now I can just say "refer to my post above." 
+
+It's funny that you're willing to type 2-3 paragraphs if it's you pedantically masturbating into your own mouth, but you can't spare the few seconds to read two shorter paragraphs spelling things out for you as plainly as possible. You are why online discourse sucks, you're a fucking disgusting little nigger.
+--- 21933264
+>>21933221
+>it were true, a lot of neo-Darwinist dogma would go out the window,
+Literally the only way evolution makes any sense is gene centric neodarwinism. You people need to leave it alone and go ruin something else
+--- 21933270
+>>21933258
+>oh yeah? well your IQ is high than mine!
+lmfao
+--- 21933277
+>>21933270
+>ruin
+The midwit materialist consensus has dominated biology for a century and achieved nothing in the process. Biology needs a shake-up. If some scientists want to explore possibilities that aren't obsessively apriori materialistically reductionist, that's their business. 
+
+>>21933270
+Post another irrelevant wikipedia essay preceded by "Ummm...? Because... it's.... not??? Like, at all???" you fucking woman. KILL YOURSELF!
+--- 21933280
+>>21933258
+>creationist
+>complaining about other people ruining online discourse
+--- 21933285
+>>21933277
+It's not a matter of materialism, it's a matter of literal logic. Its tautological. Do not besmirch the dignity and beauty of the theory of natural selection you tremendous faggot. If you want to invoke spooky phenomena involved with consciousness and so on that's fine but it does not pertain to the logic of DNA.
+--- 21933286
+>>21933277
+How would making biology students read the Talmud be a "shake-up" of biology?
+--- 21933289
+>>21932974
+How is it anti-white? The game doesn't punish you for taking fascist dialogue options. The game is equally sarcastic towards any stance you take, as far as I know. I only played it once, so maybe someone can correct me if I'm wrong.
+--- 21933291
+>>21933258
+i'm not the anon you responded to, but i just wanted to say that you're a mentally retarded fag and the other guy is right
+--- 21933295
+>>21933286
+>>21933280
+>Someone mildly questioned my materialist dogma that has enjoyed a century of enforced consensus! On an anonymous forum! He must be every "creationist" on Earth! I'm the modern Clarence Darrow! Help me Dawkins!
+I'm not a creationist
+
+>>21933285
+Like the other two idiots, you are doing what all neo-Darwinians do and making shit up so your opponent can be whoever you need him to be. First it was gene selection exclusivity, now it's just natural selection in general. Who denied natural selection? Obviously natural selection is real. No modern epigeneticist denies it. 
+
+For anyone reading and wondering who is right in this discussion (it's me), this is what I mean. This is what they do. I simply defended epigenetics as a valid line of inquiry and said materialistic reductionist monocausation shouldn't be presumed apriori, and magically, my position shifts to attacking natural selection altogether, and his position shifts from gene selection exclusivity to defending natural selection in general. 
+
+>>21933291
+The chorus of retards is called the chorus for a reason. I don't care what order you retards fellate eachother in. Maybe you can exchange contact information and trade wikipedia articles.
+--- 21933304
+>>21933295
+>>21933258
+>You are why online discourse sucks, you're a fucking disgusting little nigger
+I dunno, the real reason might be the needless vitriol, which, browsing the reply chain, it seems like you started first
+--- 21933308
+>>21933295
+The theory of natural selection only works according to gene centric neodarwinism, that's the point.
+
+>epigenetics as a valid line of inquiry
+It's not a valid line of inquiry where natural selection is concerned.
+
+>materialistic reductionist monocausation shouldn't be presumed apriori,
+It has to be for natural selection to make sense. You dont need to be a materialist in general but the theory of natural selection requires that matter behaves in a predictable, "mechanical" way in so far as DNA is concerned. It's literally discrete code.
+
+You are trying to unravel and obfuscate one of the most important concepts in existence, no doubt for some ideological agenda
+--- 21933338
+>>21933304
+What I said was completely deserved and accurate. For this alone:
+>By... not being Lamarckianism? 
+he should kill himself if he has any shame. That's a horrible, faggy way of talking. But the non sequitur pedantry of his post is what really annoyed me. It's extremely Reddit: just babble freeform so it looks like you "know things," even though what you're babbling out is irrelevant on any charitable reading of what the other person was saying. The actual meaning of the other guy's use of Lamarckism was perfectly clear, both to average joes and to specialists, who frequently use Lamarckism in this way. 
+
+>>21933308
+That's wrong, otherwise Darwin would not have formulated in the total absence of gene theory. In fact Darwin's inability to explain causation left a considerable gap in Darwinian evolutionary theory for a generation or two until Mendel's discovery was synthesized with advances in statistical theories that allowed for micro- and macro-evolution to be explained complementarily. That's why it's called NEO-Darwinianism. Darwin didn't promote neo-Darwinism, he promoted the theory of natural selection and freely admitted he wasn't entirely sure about the causation underlying biological differences and their inheritance. That's a big part of why Darwin's thought is so elegant and beautiful to read, because he didn't just autistically derive it from foreknowledge of a mechanistic theory of animals as amalgamations of cells driven by genetic material, he had to base it on his observations and careful thinking. 
+
+>not a valid line of inquiry where natural selection is concerned
+What do you think natural selection is? This is exactly why biology needs a shakeup, because even if materialist reductionist gene selection is the only actual causal mechanism underlying speciation, people like you are (no offense) defending it in unclear ways, basically as a religious dogma. It is stagnant because of how unchallenged it is. That's part of why epigenetics discourse is so energetic, because this orthodoxy is stagnant and lazy. The fact that you have fused the gene theory of molecular biology with natural selection as a "necessary" pairing for Darwinism to work when Darwin himself didn't do this is telling. 
+
+Natural selection isn't a "thing," it's not an entity. It is just selection pressures acting on variations in existing populations. Those variations can be constituted in any way, and they can originate in any way, and natural selection can still be perfectly valid and empirically observable. 
+
+>natural selection requires that matter behaves in a predictable, "mechanical" way in so far as DNA is concerned
+I don't even really understand your problem. "Matter," as in the physical beings we encounter in nature and group into types, can behave in predictable ways without these ways being caused exclusively by genes. Again, Darwin observed and hypothesized an explanation for determinate speciation prior to gene theory or knowledge of DNA.
+--- 21933346
+>>21933338
+It literally does not matter what Darwin thought, the debates about this in the mid 20th century conclusively showed why it has to be the gene as the unit of replication. It does not work any other way once you go through the actual mechanics of heredity and variation.
+--- 21933352
+>>21929935
+>Mccarthy is an atheist 
+Thanks for saving me the trouble of ever bothering to read this retard
+--- 21933355
+>>21933346
+It's fine that you think that, but I don't think so and a lot more biologists lately don't think so either. Unlike what your group did in gatekeeping professional biology from any dissenting opinions, I don't feel the need to silence you for disagreeing.
+--- 21933356
+>>21933338
+First, stop typing like you're on reddit, it's embarrassing. Second:
+
+>In fact Darwin's inability to explain causation left a considerable gap in Darwinian evolutionary theory for a generation or two until Mendel's discovery
+It had nothing to do with Mendel because Mendel didn't discover DNA. DNA wasn't discovered until 1952, which is when your gay reddit creationism died and heredity was demonstrated as an empirical fact.
+
+>That's a big part of why Darwin's thought is so elegant and beautiful to read?
+Oh so now it's not satanic freemasonic promethean luciferian claptrap, it's "elegant and beautiful" because you can use le ebin heckin chungus sophistry to dance around the actual point.
+
+>It is stagnant because of how unchallenged it is.
+But you yourself say that we need to return to the Talmud's ritual classifications precisely because biology is constantly changing, making new discoveries, understanding how life works better, and so on and so forth.
+
+>That's part of why epigenetics discourse is so energetic
+You're defending a Jewish therapist arguing that Holocaust reparations need to be paid to the descendants of supposed Holocaust survivors to own the racists.
+
+>The fact that you have fused the gene theory of molecular biology with natural selection as a "necessary" pairing for Darwinism to work when Darwin himself didn't do this is telling.
+Darwin didn't do it because he died in 1882 and DNA wouldn't be discovered until 1952.
+--- 21933358
+>>21933355
+>a lot more biologists lately don't think so either.
+They have no real fucking arguments. Try to describe any other way it could work
+--- 21933360
+>>21933355
+>a lot more biologists
+if you bring up "micro-evolution" and "macro-evolution" to biologists they will laugh you out of the room
+--- 21933368
+>>21933356
+>Mendel/DNA
+You misread, I didn't mean to imply that.
+>Darwin/DNA
+Yes, therefore Darwin was not a neo-Darwinian. Therefore it is possible to be a Darwinian without being a neo-Darwinian. See how that works? 
+
+>satanic etc.
+You're probably confusing me with another poster. I said in my very first post, I haven't been following the discussion and I'm a new person.
+
+The rest of your post seems like irrelevant babbling because you think you're having an internet fight with someone else. 
+
+>>21933360
+If their intellectual caliber is anything like the mental retard I'm responding to above, who cares?
+--- 21933369
+>>21933358
+>Try to describe any other way it could work
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternatives_to_Darwinian_evolution
+Barring a few that got folded into evolutionary theory (like catastrophism), they all got btfo'd by the discovery of DNA, which demonstrated that heredity is an actual physical, and quantifiable, thing and not just an abstraction.
+--- 21933372
+>>21933360
+So what? (((Scientists))) laugh everything true and interesting out of the room 
+
+And they don't even try to understand anything 
+
+>nothing exploded and then random mutations that can only be beneficial while relatively complete in themselves produced multiple complex organs that all rely on each other in a complete state to function despite this being impossible.
+--- 21933373
+>>21933368
+>YECer
+>calling anyone else a retard
+Back to lereddit you go.
+--- 21933374
+>>21933369
+DNA no more demonstrates that than the existence of a physical brain demonstrates that consciousness is entirely a product of the physical brain and has no independent ontological status and interacts with no other substances or aspects of reality.
+--- 21933380
+>>21933372
+you are defending inherited holocaust reparations and dating the age of the earth using the talmud, i dont think you have room to use the echoes m8
+--- 21933381
+>>21933374
+Yes it does
+--- 21933385
+>>21933381
+He does have a point about the brains though. After all, he has a brain (albeit a tiny one) yet isn't conscious. His Talmud has no answer for this, but one day science will solve the problem of the P-Zombiedditor.,
+--- 21933387
+>>21933373
+Had to google YEC. I am not a creationist, as I said already. Maybe if you could read, you would be able to read your biology textbooks instead of just cramming the slides before exams. Also I've never used reddit, but since it's your home turf, can you explain to me why it's usually associated with "fedora tipping" atheist stereotypes, but now you're associating it with creationism. Nevermind, I don't care.
+
+>>21933381
+Sure, if you're a materialist reductionist apriori, which nobody here is because it's the most reddit thing you could possibly be.
+--- 21933388
+>>21933380
+I dont think I said anything about what I believe 
+
+Ask a child to go into a room and make up a religion 
+
+Whatever they come up with will be better than 
+
+>nothing exploded and all everything ever was or will be is this matter that's made of nothing and we're totally sure that there's nothing beyond human perception except what our instruments can measure at this moment... anything past that? Laughable
+--- 21933390
+>>21933387
+I believe in an eternal soul and that consciousness is not generated solely within the brain but I'm pretty sure we can map distinct heritable traits and outcomes through genetics. We can not map consciousness to the brain
+--- 21933394
+>>21933390
+I think we can map consciousness to the brain. We already know quite a bit about which parts light up when various types of cognition occur. That being said the "inside view" of consciousness is obviously a different thing and some form of panpsychism would be needed to map matter to phenomenology.
+--- 21933399
+>>21933390
+"Mapping" consciousness (via subjective reporting) onto physically measurable phenomena in the physical brain is exactly what neurology does. You can intervene physically in the brain and alter someone's consciousness in more or less predictable ways, and neurologists can give you an explanation for why it worked. Similarly all gene editing does is prove that the genetic material of a creature is ONE site of causation of its phenotype. It doesn't say anything about what can interact with, what it's downstream of, and what can might changes in the genetic material itself (that something might do this is what epigenetics broadly claims, which was the original point). For example, "field" and dialectical feedback theories are extremely popular among epigeneticists right now, and these simply do not allow for unidirectional gene-line monocausation. 
+
+You are arguing with positions nobody espouses, in my opinion. We both believe in souls and immaterial entities. All I was ever saying is the epigeneticists are perfectly fine scientists and their hypotheses are worth hearing out. Darwin himself considered them.
+--- 21933402
+>organisms "evolve" randomly apparently 
+>this proves there's no God and everything is material that exploded out of nothing and dinosaur fossils heckin love science 
+>so what causes rhe mutations? 
+>uhhh... radiation 
+>what if the radiation follows a preset pattern so it's more like a seed growing than random evolutionary adaptations 
+>what if the radiation is conscious 
+>what if the radiation is a byproduct of thoughts from a higher universal being 
+>what if the universe is a being and we exist within it the same way living cells or hallucinations exist within us, also beings
+>what if the radiation is part of a script or harmony that was created 
+>what if there's more all the time everywhere than humans can perceive and to perceive reality as it "exists" would demand trillions of different senses 
+Why are atheists such retards?
+--- 21933403
+Major themes presented by Anglin the last few years:
+
+>Christ is lord
+>Jewish actions and interests are in conflict with Christian/European interests 
+>Don't get vax
+>American government and increasingly, the general population, are evil by any moral standard 
+>Democracy = State enforced homosex
+
+5/5 
+
+Stay retarded fags
+--- 21933404
+>>21933387
+It literally has nothing to do with materialism you faggot. Regardless of metaphysics we can explain the mechanical behavior of things.
+--- 21933407
+>>21933404
+Not consciousness 
+>>21933399
+>>21933394
+--- 21933409
+>>21933399
+>It doesn't say anything about what can interact with, what it's downstream of, and what can might changes in the genetic material itself
+Sorry I rewrote this one too many times and fucked it up.
+>It doesn't say anything about what it can interact with, what it's downstream of, and what might cause changes in the genetic material itself
+
+>>21933404
+Yeah, and "mechanical" causation (which simply means determinate X came after Y causation) can apply to genes, and it can apply to morphogenetic fields or hylomorphic forms, and it can apply to souls, and it can apply to group-souls and Sheldrakean memory fields, and it can apply to epigenetic dialectical feedback loops in cybernetic/biosemiotic systems-theoretical conceptions of the organism, and so on. Why are you defending EXCLUSIVE gene determinism APRIORI if you aren't a materialist? Only a materialist rules out all other POSSIBILITIES of causation apriori, because he "knows" (assumes) only the material exists. Even he can't answer the cybernetic/biosemiotic epigeneticist, who can be a materialist.
+--- 21933412
+>>21933399
+>ONE site of causation of its phenotype. It doesn't say anything about what can interact with, what it's downstream of, and what can might changes in the genetic material itself
+All of that falls under the umbrella of "environment", the context for a given gene to express itself. There is no hard distinction between phenotype and environment. The genetic matter itself remains what is selected for as it is what gets passed on
+--- 21933415
+>>21933403
+That's all true. Are chuds ever wrong about anything?
+--- 21933421
+>>21933409
+>memory fields, and it can apply to epigenetic dialectical feedback loops in cybernetic/biosemiotic systems-theoretical conceptions of the organism
+Because none of this shit fits into a framework of natural selection. It becomes very obvious when anyone actually tries to explain in detail how this would work(it doesn't).
+--- 21933424
+>>21933421
+Dawkins you never understood literature and you have to leave
+--- 21933426
+>>21933412
+>All of that falls under the umbrella of "environment", the context for a given gene to express itself.
+Yeah, in your theory, in which everything in the world submits to the holy MATERIAL GENE and the REAL causation ONLY takes place in the SACRED material gene. In the theories of many epigeneticists, not to even mention many many others who are simply non-materialists and free to posit whatever sites of causation they want, it is not the case. 
+
+Do you realize there is a difference between "I find this ontology the most compelling" and "This is the ONLY way anyone could ever conceive of this working"? Do you realize the latter is already empirically proven false by the very fact that we're disagreeing? A hallmark of adult theory of mind is the ability to understand that others model the world differently from you and make decisions within that modelling. 
+
+>>21933421
+>None of this shit fits according to me, so it doesn't fit. It becomes very obvious to me that it doesn't work, and I, that is me, am not convinced when people try to explain it. So it's wrong.
+See above reply to other guy
+--- 21933429
+>>21933426
+>the theories of many epigeneticists, not to even mention many many others who are simply non-materialists and free to posit whatever sites of causation they want, it is not the case
+Try to explain one of these theories you turbonigger
+--- 21933430
+Daily reminder that this is unironically the finest mind atheism has ever produced. Paranormal believers including devotees of all religions have written 99.9999999% of all good books ever, and have produced all of the great art, innovations, and even scientific theories. 
+
+This is legitimately the best atheism has ever offered.
+--- 21933447
+>>21933429
+Instead, I'll just read one of the many fine books on them that have been published by academics with major academic presses in recent years. You should try doing this some time. You learn a lot more than you do from the slides right before the exam. You may even learn that differences of interpretation are possible in science, and that alternative hypotheses and differences of opinion help maintain conceptual clarity!
+
+>>21933430
+Dawkins is a hilarious philistine but I don't mind him personally, he seems willing to hear people out. He's also said some nice things about being undogmatic in science here and there. I liked some of his books as a kid, they helped get me into biology. But it's understandable that he's permanently associated with the online atheist crowd who used God Delusion like a Bible.
+
+Also it should be remembered that people get old and times change. Dawkins' brain crystallized in the 80s when the whole world made perfect sense to boomers and fighting the evil evangelicals was the single battle remaining in human history before utopia is achieved.
+--- 21933448
+>>21933430
+Richard Dawkins knows approximately 100 times as much about evolution as you do and was correct about almost everything he said. The fact that he is a dumbass in almost every other sphere of his life does not negate this
+--- 21933456
+>>21933448
+It doesn't matter how much he knows about evolution since the conclusions he's drawn about reality are so ridiculously stupid. And evolution in itself has never necessitated there being no higher consciousness or God or God mind or the process itself being in some way entirely nonrandom 
+>it IS RANDOM WE DONT UNDERSTAND THE CAUSE SO IT IS RANDOM AND ANYTHING ANYONE SAYS IS PSEEEEEEEEEEUDOOOOO SCIENCE 
+Ya ya and "nothing blew up" I know, you're retarded.
+--- 21933457
+>>21933447
+>Instead, I'll just read one of the many fine books on them that have been published by academics with major academic presses in recent years
+Yeah I'm not surprised you're not even going to try, even though this is literally a discussion about that very topic which you've been engaging in for some time now. This shows you even know deep down yourself that its bullshit but you have some motive compelling you to delude yourself
+--- 21933461
+>>21933456
+Metaphysics and non randomness also doesnt necessitate god. But it literally isnt even in question. A rube goldberg machine is still a rube goldberg machine, absolutely irrespective of these issues
+--- 21933462
+>>21933447
+>Dawkins is a hilarious philistine but I don't mind him personally, he seems willing to hear people out. He's also said some nice things about being undogmatic in science here and there. I liked some of his books as a kid, they helped get me into biology. But it's understandable that he's permanently associated with the online atheist crowd who used God Delusion like a Bible.
+
+Also it should be remembered that people get old and times change. Dawkins' brain crystallized in the 80s when the whole world made perfect sense to boomers and fighting the evil evangelicals was the single battle remaining in human history before utopia is achieved.
+I don't hate Dawkins and I actually love the way you've described him, lol. I was serious when i said he was the best mind atheism had ever produced. I didn't say he was an idiot I just wanted to display the difference between the fruits of atheists and the fruits of all people who held views that atheists and scientists dismiss. The latter category is responsible for everything. The former are the "intellectual dark web" of annoying eceleb jews and that's about it.
+--- 21933465
+>>21933457
+No, I just don't want to talk to a disingenuous idiot about a very interesting topic that I honestly find majestic. I'm not even an "orthodox" epigeneticist myself, why would I try to present some synthesis of recent epigenetics theory to you on their behalf? You can't even follow who I am or what I'm saying in a discussion, why would I try to explain cybernetics to you?
+--- 21933467
+>>21933461
+>also doesn't necessitate God 
+Maybe not but it necessitates a lot more than atheists or (((scientists))) are willing to tolerate even as possibilities. The fact is that no matter what is correct the current scientific dogma of absolute materialism following the explosion of nothing is wrong.
+--- 21933468
+>>21933465
+You cant explain anything because its incoherent and you're a fucking faggot.
+--- 21933488
+>>21933465
+You're either an intellectually dishonest pseud, or a brilliant troll. The entire time you obfuscated the argument, you accused your opponent of making a priori assumptions while making implicit metaphysical assumptions yourself, and you've hurled insults as if you think you can win an argument by hostility alone. You're genuinely mentally ill if not an annoying troll. Spend less time online in either case.
+--- 21933492
+>>21933467
+The only way the fine tuning of physical constants to allow for complexity makes any sense from a "random matter" perspective is if there are infinite universes with every possible configuration of physics and most of them I guess are just inert or chaotic
+--- 21933497
+>look goyim 
+>the origin of the universe is there was nothing 
+>and then it exploded into dust 
+>which randomly assembled in correspondence to pre-existing (???) forces that determine how matter functions 
+>where did those forces come from? Dunno 
+>do they have a purpose? No, aren't you paying attention goyim, there is no purpose 
+>Okay so then all the stuff that randomly formed itself together somehow produced sentient life also randomly and purposelessly which originated as a kind of sludge and then turned into everything that's alive all on its own and totally randomly 
+>that's right goyim... your great grandpa was a retarded fish 
+>all so we could perceive it, which is in and of itself pointless 
+>no... don't try to attach meaning to the feeling of meaning, THAT is an illusion. We're telling you, it's all ransom and pointless... look... we're ALL telling you 
+>ALL SCIENTISTS AGREE RIGHT? you dont want to look stupid do you? 
+>good good now anyway 
+>higher philosophical ideals having existences of their own not necessitating a God to be meaningful? 
+>no... you're overthinking reality 
+>There's really nothing to any of this 
+>now, and this is the most important step 
+>hook your kids on psych meds as early as possible 
+>feed them corn syrup 
+>get a divorce and dedicate your life to things that make you unhappy and a very poor parent 
+>don't ever learn anything... we'll tell you if there's anything you need to know 
+>all the scientists also agree to trust the government lol 
+>Oh and dress your kids in drag 
+>thank you
+--- 21933499
+>>21933468
+>Present all your subtlest and most deeply held views to me so I can say "lol no retard" to them and claim victory!
+lol no retard, read a book and learn to follow a conversation.
+
+>>21933488
+I said like three things the entire "argument." I criticized a guy for being a pedantic faggot non sequitur, I told someone repeatedly that Darwin was not a neo-Darwinist, and I said that materialist reductionism is not self-evident to all human beings on earth (hence our disagreement over it). 
+
+You're upset because someone is disagreeing with your mushy-ass thoughts and you don't even know what you're disagreeing over, you just want the pain to stop which means you want the person, not his arguments, to go away. You may just have a very low IQ, or you may be frying your brain with weed or something. Either way stop crying about it. You're not always going to have a fruitful conversation with someone you disagree with. Investigate your own shitty behavior (all you did was repeat the same dumb lazy shit with no effort to engage with your opponent) for the cause of your unhappiness. Kill yourself, failure.
+--- 21933502
+>>21933499
+This whole "uh no I have better things to do so I'm not going to defend my point" attitude really doesn't work when you keep writing posts engaging at length with the context of the argument itself. You obviously don't have anything better to do, you just cant make an argument
+--- 21933503
+>>21933499
+--- 21933506
+>>21933502 
+Sure it does. I said I don't want to sully something I consider majestic by exposing it to a retard who can't even figure out who he's talking to. That isn't contradicted by enjoying calling him retarded.
+
+>>21933503
+That picture doesn't apply here, I never claimed to be joking. I am very serious, I hope you kill yourself because I really do think you are mentally defective.
+--- 21933508
+>>21933499
+>i said like three things
+You're also incoherent and insufferable. Delete your 4chan account immediately.
+--- 21933509
+>>21933506
+>my argument is actually super good but I dont want to sully it by posting it
+Fucking lmao that you think even a single person buys this
+--- 21933510
+>>21933506
+>didn't open the image
+looks like you win again
+--- 21933517
+>>21933510
+Oh it's an edit of the classic image. 
+
+Ad hominem doesn't need a dash. It's just two Latin words. Also, ad hominem doesn't mean "insult." It means saying an argument is factually wrong because of some quality its speaker possesses, for example being a hypocrite. "That's wrong you retard" is not an ad hominem, it's a statement plus an insult.
+--- 21933519
+>>21933503
+People who describe 
+>logical point which contains or (especially) ends with an insult 
+As ad hominem drive me crazy 
+
+They always take the opportunity to declare online argument victory too lol
+--- 21933522
+>>21933517
+That's the point the image is making 
+>fuck off retard
+Is never an ad hominem in itself 
+>I have a degree in this field so fuck off retard 
+Is more what it is
+--- 21933693
+>>21933289
+What you generously call fascist in that game refers to a gay commie's strawman of the ideology that is centered around hating women and nostalgically worshipping the monarchy (?) and nothing more than that. 
+The only ideology that is given any kind of realistic portrayal is communism which is more or less a 1:1 with real life because the game is at its heart a meditation on communism by an ardent Twitter-tier communist who's part of a communist art collective that accepted an award for the game by praising communism.
+The fact that you think "sarcasm" towards an ideology reflects a neutral stance is embarrassing, but you're an embarrassment for even asking me to explain this. You literally lose morale for taking fascist dialogue options, which can kill you, and you have to offset it by drinking and taking magnesium. Disingenuous faggot.
+
+Anglin never shilled a game on his site like he shilled that one. It came out of nowhere and it was a blog post sucking its dick to the extent that it looked exactly like he got paid to do it, and it was a betrayal of his purported values. I would've lost less respect for the guy if he had casually come out as a furry or coprophagist, that's how sickening it was.
+--- 21933791
+>>21933693
+I gave it one playthrough (fascist) so I never compared it to other options. I'm not being disingenuous. That's why I asked for other opinions. Obviously it wasn't genuine fascism, but I didn't expect it to be. I'm disappointed the dev didn't give a fair shake to each ideology, but then again, I might play it again and see for myself rather than take your word for it, because you seem like you have a stick up your ass.
+--- 21933987
+>>21930719
+fer sher b
+--- 21933996
+>>21933403
+next you'll be telling me he thinks the sky is blue
+--- 21934167
+>>21930127
+what in da fuqq
+--- 21934215
+>>21933403
+Don't forget the hard take on the female question in the present state of the vagino-anal society, and being one of the rare voices on the right to consistently trash cops (against a surprising deficiency of many inherited from boomer mindset). 
+
+>>21933791
+The game changes little depending on your choices which have a small impact on the story (I guess it might be the point, you live in a society, etc). You mostly just pick which schizo voice you hear in your head. All ideologies are trashed, if anything anglo left-liberalism is the worst treated. Needless to say the "ideologies" are caricatures as seen from a current-year communist, you shouldn't expect an actual discussion of the doctrines mentioned. There is nothing intellectual, the devs are commies but living in the permanent disillusion phase of mocking things as a matter of principle. 
+Despite calling itself a RPG the game is a glorified visual novel and I suspect Anglin liked it because he's just not very good at video games by his own admission.

lit/21929877.txt

@@ -63,3 +63,68 @@ The gamers sneed the game is booted
 >>21929877 (OP)
 >>21929920
 Can't relate to you if this is your biggest problem in life. Try having extreme debt, no friends, and poverty. Sounds like you're a little bitch come to complain online. You probably are batshit insane and aren't fit to procreate. You speak like a redditor and belong there.
+--- 21930823
+>>21929877 (OP)
+kys normalfag
+--- 21930845
+Y'all niggas seem to think this is some transcendental work. Okay. The real question is do you need to spend a few months reading his other work before this. I've seen reddit normies characterise it as a sort of "final boss"
+--- 21931011
+>>21930681
+He looks at things from the view of what psychology was to him in his time.
+Aion is a must read for example.
+>>21930435
+>His book on Job was unbelievably retarded and made me doubt anything he has ever wrote.
+Are there good sources that criticize it?
+--- 21931022
+>>21929877 (OP)
+sorry, libtards, but there's only one red book i need
+--- 21931024
+>>21930845
+>https://unherd.com/2023/04/is-racism-the-new-socialism/
+--- 21931043
+Peterson meme'd him back into relevance. It's very difficult to take it all seriously.
+
+Also, cool blogpost faggot
+--- 21931051
+>>21929920
+pure appreciation
+i read memories, dreams, reflections 2 months ago, rarely has a book changed my opinions, felt so relatable, opened up new alleyways of thinking, or made me feel at peace with myself & my surroundings as any other book. jung peers into himself and lays it naked before you, and in that bare body you cannot help but feel it is a mirror. highly recommend to anybody who cares about being a human being.
+--- 21931114
+>>21931043
+P*terson misunderstood jung
+--- 21931566
+>>21929877 (OP)
+>>21929920
+Does it work if my deepest problem is opposite to yours and has to do with loneliness
+--- 21932232
+bump
+--- 21932295
+I was totally open to Jung's beliefs but I dropped him when I read the first 7 or so chapters of Modern Man. The cases he presents reek of charlatan bullshit; all of it appeared fictional, like a teenage girl's interpretation of what a psychologist's job might look like.
+--- 21932555
+>>21932295
+I bet you got the recommendation from p*terson. It's the only book he parrots, and you outted yourself so easily.
+--- 21932584
+>>21932555
+it was recommended as an intro to jung by anon's here but who am i to get in the way of a retard sperging out. by all means, continue pissing and shitting your pants about imaginary scenarios.
+--- 21932673
+>>21930043
+--- 21932744
+>>21932673
+interesting. can i get the source for mussolini saying that?
+--- 21932906
+>>21932295
+Jung as far as I can tell is no where close to modern psychology. However what he talks about at least in some of his works are worth reading if only to get the opinions of a very very interesting person
+--- 21932929
+>>21929920
+I also feel a lot of gratitude towards Jung. It's difficult to explain why, but no other thinker has influenced me so much. Even thinkers whom I like a lot like Nietzsche seem shallow in comparison.
+--- 21933101
+>>21930681
+>Was this guy atheist or not?
+You've been mentally/spiritually circumcised.
+--- 21934356
+>>21933101
+I haven't though, that's why I'm asking. I haven't read any of his works, only from secondary sources from the likes of Joseph Campbell so I have no idea, and that's the impression that I got.
+--- 21934375
+>>21931566
+--- 21934414
+Could anyone please give me an idea of the matters discussed in this book? Is it solely dedicated to Jung's notes and discoveries?

lit/21930287.txt

@@ -100,3 +100,69 @@ Prizes don't mean anything to me. I've never heard "so and so won x prize" and t
 It just proves God has a sense of humor. I kek'd hard when although some time ago this came out.
 >>21930483
 Also this
+--- 21931253
+>>21930554
+I think you're using the word literature as a marker of quality not as a distinct art form. Should there not be a word for artistic writing that has no other concerns than itself (be that music, gameplay, visuals, etc)? I agree that other types of art have the capacity to be just as good.
+--- 21931314
+>>21931253
+No mate, your missing my point. Im saying take out the actors, the props, stage, everything but the words, and Shakespeares plays are literature. No man born of his mother would argue that. Its no different from other art forms that are joined to literature, what matters is the words.
+--- 21931320
+DARKNESS AT THE BREAK OF NOON
+SHADOWS EVEN THE SILVER SPOON
+FORK AND KNIFE PICKED UP TOO SOON
+PUNCH A BLACK DUDE IN THE BALLS
+WATCH HIM AS HE STUTTERS AND FALLS
+SUBTERRANEAN HOMESICK BLUES
+LOCK US UP JUST LIKE THE JEWS
+WHAT THE JOHN BIRCHERS WANT TO DO
+
+It’s alright Ma
+I’m only REEEEEEEEEINGGG
+[*blues harmonica solo*]
+
+I hate myself for using this board enough that I was inspired to shitpost like this. It doesn’t contribute to the discussion, it’s not that funny besides a slight chuckle at best, all it does is give your monkey brain a little dopamine boost. You become gradually more and more cynical. It accomplishes nothing.
+--- 21931388
+>>21930287 (OP)
+Dylan was a FRONT, the prize secretly went to the notoriously hidden PYNCH, all will be revealed in due time...
+--- 21931546
+>>21930287 (OP)
+They were mad lol
+--- 21931557
+>>21931320
+The "self aware" bit at the end can be cut bud, we're aware of the meta bit by now, it's dead.
+--- 21931561
+>>21930483
+Kek and his fellow chosen reward him
+--- 21931583
+>>21931388
+Trust the plan
+--- 21931599
+>>21930308
+Yeah, songwriting is the genre fiction of poetry.
+--- 21931760
+>>21930489
+Make me faggot.
+--- 21932314
+>>21931557
+You can wear a wig and lipstick and give me a blowjob while I call you Sally bud, but will you just because I said that? No. I’ll be as meta and annoyingly self-deprecating I want.
+--- 21932334
+>>21930483
+>posed himself as a red blooded christian
+that hurt his career more than helped
+--- 21932858
+>>21930298
+I like to think Dylan's Nobel Prize is also partially an award given to the American 60's counterculture, which had such a huge influence on almost literally everything that came after it, artistically speaking. I think of his award partially also acknowledging the likes of Berryman, Ashbury, Pynchon, Ginsburg, Kerouac, Burroughs, de Guin, Didion, etc. Dylan is probably the most well-known, most groomed among them (considering he wasn't a horrible sex pervert, suicidal junkie/alcoholic, or a homosexual), so I can see why the Nobel establishment gave it to him, plus he actively campaigned for civil rights, so bonus points.
+--- 21932909
+>>21930480
+>Songwriting is not poetry set to music
+>The Iliad isn't poetry
+>The Oddysey isn't poetry
+>The psalms aren't poetry
+--- 21933822
+>>21930554
+>categories don't exist because... they just don't okay!!!
+we heard you the first time, go be a postmodernist faggot on reddit
+--- 21933835
+>>21930298
+>Dylan obviously did not deserve to win, [insert literal who] deserved it!
+Reporting in

lit/21930571.txt

@@ -62,3 +62,116 @@ Self publish with a free PoD platform, but that 4k into buying 4chan adds or som
 --- 21930718
 >>21930571 (OP)
 If you’re going not expecting to make a profit anyway then why not go with KDP?
+--- 21931020
+>>21930712
+What is PoD and what strategies do you recommend?
+>>21930718
+I want to put on my future submissions that an actual press has published me before
+--- 21931275
+Am I the only one who would take the offer (or maybe try to negotiate it to something like 2-3k)? Getting your foot in the door and simply now becoming published sounds good long term
+--- 21931281
+>>21931275
+If a publisher is asking you to pay them thousands of dollars, their business model is not to make money off of sales.
+--- 21931285
+>>21930571 (OP)
+I'll edit for $200 plus tips. Matthewg42 on Fiverr
+--- 21931376
+>>21930571 (OP)
+Learn to do it yourself and whatever you could pay thise hacks, you could do for much cheaper or more for the sane price If what you wrote is worth the salt, it'll be a good enough mark on your resume. Actually selling and not just being another scammed author also looks grrat to real publishers. There are also deduxated efitorial services tgat will autatically go over your book and give you a detailed summary of what they thoughtcwas good abd what wasn't and sometines those people have publisher connections so ifnit's good enough ypu can get a foot in the front door. At least that's how itvwas for a school teacher of mine that actually sold their books.
+--- 21931412
+>>21931020
+>>21930712
+Not him but PoD means print-on-demand.
+CreateSpace Independent Publishing would be a good idea. 
+>>21931020
+"Actual presses" are mostly for people who write pop-shlock for normalcattle. Your objective is to make money and create a name for yourself. These days, you need not work with "actual presses" to achieve those ends. 
+Publish yourself with CreateSpace, use those 4k to market yourself here and elsewhere, etc. 
+But you don't know how??? :(( Google it you fagoot. I get a feeling of irresponsibility from you. Take ownership of the situation, you wimp.
+--- 21931803
+>>21930571 (OP)
+Cute baby but his eyes could kill even the most vile evil motherfucker.
+--- 21931823
+>>21931803
+No. Babies are ugly freaks and I don't feel bad when they get mauled to death by pitbulls
+--- 21931836
+>>21930571 (OP)
+IT IS NOT A LEGITIMATE PRESS IF YOU HAVE TO PAY THEM
+IN TRADITIONAL LEGITIMATE PUBLISHING, MONEY FLOWS FROM THE PUBLISHER TO THE AUTHOR; THE PUBLISHER PAYS YOU FOR THE RIGHTS TO EDIT, MARKET, AND PUBLISH YOUR MANUSCRIPT; YOU DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES PAY THEM
+IF YOU HAVE TO PAY THEM, ITS A SCAM, OR THEY'RE A VANITY PRESS; NOT A LEGITIMATE PUBLISHER
+AGAIN, DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES GIVE THEM ANY MONEY
+--- 21931903
+>>21930584
+You have to weigh the cost and benefit for yourself, as none of us know your personal and financial situation any better than you do. But from what I can tell, it would be better to negotiate and get it published so that you’ll have an easier time getting published in the future. take care of the things you can already do yourself, and negotiate for a lower price. The benefits of having a published work will be worth it as a resume piece, regardless of whether the book actually sells well or not; that’s my opinion at least.
+--- 21931911
+Fucking hate babies so much
+
+Just absolute noncontributors
+--- 21931914
+>>21931903
+Actually, scratch that. I just read >>21930598 and a few others, and they have a point. It does seem kind of fishy.
+--- 21933151
+>>21930571 (OP)
+
+If a "publisher" asks you to pay, it's obviously a scam. They're supposed to give you an advance, not scam you out of 4k.
+
+No, it wil not help you in the future to say you "published" with a scam publisher. It's no different than self-publishing or any other kind of vanity press.
+--- 21933168
+>>21931285
+very sad post
+--- 21933302
+Are you sure you emailed the right place, and the reply back is legit? Because what you describe is one of the most common publisher scams in the business, on par with Nigerian prince scams
+
+or maybe you didn't actually email a publisher. Sounds more like you're speaking to their self-published department and they're trying to sell you on their services
+
+either way, obviously don't do it. it will cost much less to self-pub and do your own shit than pay someone to do the same things
+--- 21933384
+>>21933168
+i concur, the debasement of our currency by central banks is quite sad
+--- 21933393
+>>21930571 (OP)
+>One hybrid publisher of good reputation offered to take on my book if I pay them 4k for editing, cover design, admin fees and all that for an initial run.
+I'm sorry anon but that's 110% a scam.
+--- 21933485
+This seems like a good thread to ask
+Is there anyone ITT that actually had a positive experience with tradpublishing?
+--- 21933493
+What would lead someone like op to think that they’re a reputable publisher?
+--- 21933556
+>>21930571 (OP)
+>desperate retard gets scammed
+dumbass
+--- 21933561
+>>21933556
+He didn't say he accepted the deal you ESL fucking retard
+Click off my board so we can raise its IQ by 15 points
+--- 21933569
+>>21930670
+>use printing service to print your own books out at $7/each
+>sell them to used book shops in popular cities for $4/each
+>only lose $3 each book to get them out to the world
+>can do this more than 1,000 times and still spend less money than OP, and guaranteed 1,000 copies of your book exist in a bookshop somewhere
+
+Name a flaw.
+--- 21933574
+>>21933561
+>calls me a stupid ESL
+>nearly fell for a blatant scam like some senile internet-illiterate grandmom
+We could have trolled you if /lit/ wasn't so nice. We could have gotten you to sign for it and hand over all your money. Get on your fucking knees and thank us for saving your worthless pudding-brained ass.
+--- 21933580
+>>21933574
+I'm not reading any of that
+Your skin is brown
+--- 21933598
+>>21930670
+Foucault's Pendulum is incredibly underrated
+--- 21933604
+>>21933569
+used bookstores won't pay money for unknown books and will likely throw the away after a few weeks in the $1 rack
+--- 21933627
+>>21930571 (OP)
+>but will it be good to tell agents and publishers in future that I have previously published with a legitimate press?
+All that you'll tell them is that you spent money on a vanity press.Writing the book is only a first step, now you have to sell it. It probably needs a rewrite. I know the author of a book that at one point was in the top 20 Barnes & Noble sales, nominated for a Pushcart and an Edgar, and they are already talking movie rights. The first draft was not so good, and even after he had a saleable ms. there were a lot of rough edges that the long process of getting the book published helped him to smooth out. He's working on a sequel now. His current publisher has him contracted for three or so more books.
+But my point is that, if he had just paid to have his book published, it would not have been nearly as good, and I doubt that B&N carry many vanity press books...
+--- 21933629
+>>21933598
+Ik,r?

lit/21930760.txt

@@ -70,3 +70,709 @@ Ok boomer
 --- 21930813
 >>21930798
 Never, ive heard the name. War in the west was inspired by a random one-off line in a book i read recently...
+--- 21930816
+>>21930798
+The Movie? They made a movie of it? How shit was it?
+--- 21930821
+>>21930813
+Based. Less read more write. [unironically]
+>>21930816
+Kino.
+--- 21930822
+>>21930821
+>Kino.
+Nice, I'll look into it.
+--- 21930832
+>>21930821
+Indeed movies kill creativity, tiktok is the lethal injection of creativity, read sometimes to slake your thirst and write MOAR
+i write a poem a day and I plan to harvest the good crop then publish them one day! Years away...
+--- 21930835
+>>21930832
+May your aspirations come to fruition. Don't forget to post it on this board.
+--- 21930839
+>>21930799
+Hell yeah.
+--- 21930853
+>Dont have any ideas
+>Cannot describe the ideas in a creative way
+Writer career is off the table
+--- 21930857
+In recent years I've been buying academic works (both new and used) and the rate of my purchases of said kind of books has abruptly grown in the last few months to the point where I'm just dropping $50 CAD at a time per book from Harvard or Cambridge or whatever. This is meanwhile I'm a NEET and have almost entirely been so since I graduated from high school over a decade ago. All that extra money the gov't has given me because of inflation hasn't been commensurate with my personal, real-world expenses so it's of course gone to books. I've been buying a lot of bullshit on comparative study of esotericism and mythology as well as secret societies and conspiracy theories, for those wondering what I've been spending my money on in particular. I feel very blessed too and haven't forgotten that I'm more privileged than most and give thanks to the Lord for my modern-day aristocratic status.
+--- 21930870
+>>21930835
+Ill be the new F Gardner
+--- 21930875
+>>21930857
+Whats your rarest book?
+--- 21930879
+I think I have a porn addiction, I find it really hard to not coom to porn and its killing me inside.
+--- 21930882
+>>21930879
+Get a voyeur to come over and stare at you
+--- 21930884
+>>21930882
+I appreciate the attempt at humor, even at my expense, but I'm being serious sadly.
+--- 21930886
+>>21930884
+So am I. You'll probably get creeped out and the memory will affect how safe you feel recreating any of it again. Give yourself some trauma to plaster the trauma you already got.
+--- 21930890
+>>21930886
+uhhhh.... I think there are better ways but thanks for the input?
+--- 21930891
+>>21930890
+No problem man, anytime
+--- 21930908
+>>21930875
+Hmm, not sure. Maybe my copy of The Bell Jar, or The Magical World of Aleister Crowley by Francis X. King (which is currently going for over $200 CAD on Amazon). Not sure to be honest!
+>picrel I just bought because today is neetbux day
+--- 21930910
+>>21930908
+Whats your endgame? Sole rebuilder of Library of Alexandria?
+--- 21930913
+>>21930910
+you can rebuild the Library all you want, the amount of books lost can never be replaced. That being said, there was a reason why all the Greek successor kingdoms failed.
+--- 21930922
+>>21930910
+My endgame? Acquire many cool books.
+--- 21931061
+I keep eating in order to fill the hole but I still feel hungry.
+--- 21931063
+My new office slave job gives me plenty of free time to read articles during the day.
+I am using that time to read the American Pravda right now. Wage slavery is making me anti semitic
+--- 21931072
+This is on my mind. He’s right tho
+--- 21931092
+>>21931063
+Just do the Bachelor Economics early retirement plan.
+Prerequisites:
+>Given up on Women, Society, and wants to be left alone to enjoy life.
+
+Plan:
+>Understand that almost all your money will go into savings and you are going poverty mode to get to where you want to be ASAP.
+>Figure out where you want to live, find cheap land near there (or move to a part of the country that has a low cost of living).
+>start building a cabin on it yourself, save up for an RV to put it on, or save up to contract builders to build you a house (if your building a house adding a second story is always cheaper than building outwards, so even if you don't want a second floor build a big and square enough first floor to build on top of later.)
+>Once you have your home/rv/cabin done, start thinking about how much money you would need to live comfortably on. Start taking your money and putting it into stock markets or other options to start making a passive income or build wealth down the line.
+>Figure out how much money you are willing to pay a year on living expenses, be strict and be 100% sure this is what you want to do.
+>Quit your job early when you earn the amount that you think you need, move out to your land permanently.
+>Optional: Get a part-time job or side job you can do to earn extra cash if you want/need too. If you can strike a balance that you want you can have your cake and eat it too buy living off your part-time wages, making your savings go farther.
+>Enjoy doing w/e it is you ultimately want to be doing.
+It isn't for anyone but it is an escape plan if your desperate to get out. I want to get out there to do some farming, landscaping, reading, writing, and spiritual goals. I'll probably gonna get an RV and just forego the internet all together too.
+--- 21931103
+>>21931072
+And where does all this fiction comes from- what is it, the author wanted to Express, what was so enduring that the story wanted to be told? 
+And by the words of proust, the reading of a Story is a reading of ones self, you can feel and observe your reaction to it, and you will have a gate to the sphere of ideas that lies within the book.
+Forcing yourself into the hegelian choice will limit your experience.
+--- 21931106
+Depressed about the past. Pessimistic about the future. Too old to feel like anything can really get better. Hopeless.
+--- 21931108
+>>21931092
+The average man makes something like $50k per year. He has no savings at all.
+--- 21931112
+i'm out of myself i'm out of this world i want to wander everywher and be frogoten as soon as i die
+--- 21931115
+>>21931108
+Ive got some savings and am looking at a house I posted in one of these threads before.
+It’s not a bad idea and there’s plenty of land to do some agricultural stuff. Plus I could weld shit to make some cash but I’m not sure if I have the money to stop wage slaving completely.
+But it’s a nice dream to have
+--- 21931116
+>>21930857
+>comparative study of esotericism and mythology
+interested in this, what are your suggestions?
+--- 21931125
+>>21931108
+I've made around 25k to 30k a year and managed to stash away 21k over the course of 3 years...
+--- 21931130
+>>21931106
+That makes two of us anon.
+--- 21931151
+>>21930760 (OP)
+How many liters of sweat am I going to make before I shoot that dog
+--- 21931201
+I really like The Bell Jar, not even memeing, and I'm not afraid to say it. I'm happy it's being shilled.
+--- 21931251
+Imagine a book where main character would travel to Cold war era and completly fuck up the timeline of worlds history, would be cool I think
+--- 21931261
+>>21931251
+Thats somewhat plot of Kings 11.22.63 book.
+--- 21931391
+Im 32...got no skills...im always tired as hell and theres no escape. At least i got neetbux but who knows for how long.
+--- 21931402
+>>21931391
+me but without neetbux
+--- 21931410
+Art is a social phenomenon before it is an artistic one. Almost all sorts of art has a social function in the particular milieu it is created in, but not all art has an aesthetic function. Since "art" itself is an idea dependent on various conceptions of art vying for hegemony over the others it should be noted that calling something art and other things bad art or non-art can not tell us anything besides the waxing and waning of the popularity of these various ideas about art in the particular milieu that is being examined.
+--- 21931419
+I've been up all night shitposting about The Bell Jar and Aleister Crowley lmao. C'est la vie motherfuckers.
+--- 21931434
+>>21931391
+me but without neetbux and I never sleep, I recommend getting outside and going for a run or walk, start eating healthy, and unless your like me an prescribed medical meth for something, try to get at least 8 hours a night.
+--- 21931492
+I want to take a year off to write, but I don’t know where to go to do it. I have to get out of mom’s house, but my entire 20s has been a series of back and forth between 3 places. I went to college in place A, moved to place B, moved back to A, then moved back to B.
+--- 21931520
+>>21930760 (OP)
+Doing a good work feels good. It's a shame procastination can come earlier.
+--- 21931525
+>>21931520
+What do you consider good work? Is it work for someone else or yourself?
+--- 21931556
+>>21931525
+I work in the family's business so it means both.
+I consider good work the feeling I get after doing a determined type of work (Tranquility). Or perhaps lacking the feeling one gets when something remains undone or "half-assed"
+--- 21931582
+>>21931556
+You’re lucky. I hated every job I ever had. I procrastinated because I don’t want to work for myself. I discovered what I really wanted to do very late in life, but I haven’t managed to put in a lot of work for that. I’m 30 now and I feel a lot like my failures in higher education and in my subsequent career have set me back too far to really recover. None of the people from history that I admire were this far behind at this age or made as many mistakes as I did. It makes me really depressed to think about.
+--- 21931592
+Reading 4chan posts all day has given me brain damage. I've become less and less capable at reading actual books. I can barely focus on a passage without losing my mind.
+--- 21931606
+I almost masturbated last night, but wasn‘t into it enough to finish. Today women are being nicer to me but I‘m having a hard time focusing on reading. What did Satan mean by this?
+--- 21931638
+Im 90% sure that I pissed my bed this night.
+--- 21931795
+>>21930773
+Sometimes I have the same thought but desu I also cant imagine I'd rather live back in europe
+--- 21931796
+>>21931061
+Try a butt plug
+--- 21931800
+>>21931492
+Try moving to place C
+--- 21931804
+>>21931796
+Im not a powerlifter
+--- 21931805
+>>21931800
+The only place C in mind is simply too expensive.
+--- 21931819
+When you’re bored at work
+--- 21931842
+>>21931819
+obsessed
+--- 21931846
+I’m looking for books about moving on from regret.
+--- 21931861
+>>21931819
+Had so much free time today during work I managed to watch Hypernormalisation and still 'be productive'.
+--- 21931864
+>>21931819
+based
+--- 21931870
+>>21931842
+When I’m reading an article I like to Google the claims.
+If you have some other interesting thing for me to read I’ll read that too.
+But American Pravda was something I wanted to check out for a while >>21931861
+I’m not comfortable enough to watch entire documentaries at work yet
+--- 21931883
+>>21931846
+What do you regret so much?
+--- 21931916
+>>21930760 (OP)
+ I just had a great dream.
+--- 21931983
+>>21931434
+I fixed the sleep but im still tired
+--- 21932012
+>>21931883
+There’s a lot. I don’t think you want me to spell out everything, do you? I think in general, I think I just failed to do what I should’ve done and what’s worse, I’m feeling pretty hopeless about the future because of it. It’s one thing to have regret, but it’s the feeling hopeless part that is intolerable.
+--- 21932024
+Can the aesthetic appreciation of female nudity ever be separated from the sexuality of the nude female form? What do women see when they look at a naked woman in/on a work of art?
+--- 21932041
+>>21931391
+Depending on what you want out of life, you don’t really need skills. People talk about skills like they’re some magical pill, but they’re not. 
+I’m almost jealous of NEETs to be honest. I think that’s a far more interesting life than trying and failing for more than a decade to put together an impressive education and job history.
+--- 21932043
+>>21932033
+>>21932041
+I'm a long term NEET but it's terrible. Half a decade worth of a job gap, no skills, no connections. Now I cant even land a simple job which requires uni diploma and logical ability. Grass is greener on the other side.
+--- 21932048
+The state of the art of many branches of scientific psychology, the most relevant to my story being social psychology, are working with the notion that there are two extremes to mental processes: automaticity and control. 
+The reason for that is that around 2000 many theories were formulated as a culmination of the scientific work of many years prior, which started from Amos Tversky and Daniel Kahneman's research program on heuristics and biases in the late 1970s and many examples of which are readily found looking up "automaticity and control" on google scholar. 
+
+Automatic processes are characterized by four qualities, which here should be taken without the usually associated positive connotation of the word:
+they are efficient, which is important because we have a limited amount of cognitive resources and it's paramount that we be able to allocate them towards what's useful and not towards what is not;
+they are unaware, meaning that you can't know that process is occurring, in much the same way as you're not aware of the universe continuously expanding;
+unintentional, meaning you can't choose when to start one, and
+uncontrollable, meaning you can't actively stop one such process between when it starts and when it naturally reaches the end of its course. 
+Controlled processes are the opposite.
+There are many interesting ways in which to apply this knowledge to the real world, all made maybe less spicy but much sweeter by the fact that we weren't involved in the multi-disciplinary reverse engineering process that this description stemmed from.
+One such thing is forgetting to pick up something you don't usually carry with you when you get out of the house in a hurry; when you're in a hurry and you're stressed out you don't have as much cognitive resources at your disposal as you do when you're relaxed (and you know you'll arrive early even if there's some serious traffic along the way), so the controlled process that is you thinking of whatever you need to have wherever you need to go can't happen, and the automatic process of you getting out of the house like you do every morning happens.
+That's good, because it means you can function under stress, and you do function under stress, but it's also bad, because it means that the guest of honor will receive that $55 bottle of wine the day after her birthday.
+It's paramount to know, if you're looking to apply this concept to real life, that there are conditions under which automatic processes activate, and conditions under which controlled processes generally have the upper hand.
+One of them we mentioned already: cognitive load; the more attention you're paying to something, the less you'll be able to start a controlled process.
+The other good one is motivation.
+If you're not motivated to do something your brain will keep running in power saving mode, and automatic processes will run everything backstage.
+
+This is how, today, a german made an effort to scam me out of $220, and I let him.
+--- 21932062
+Just went to the bookstore in my dream.
+The haul:
+- Against the Day (they didn't have it)
+- Barnes and Noble 20,000 Leagues Under The Sea (they only had a bootleg copy with mismatched pages printed on printer paper)
+- 15 gallon drum of nautical stories printed on rolled up scrolls 
+Don't think i was able to check anything out.
+--- 21932082
+Evil is winning everywhere in the world. 
+
+I will take as many nigger trannies to hell before I die.
+--- 21932089
+>>21932082
+Its like you’re begging for a visit from the fbi
+--- 21932162
+I French kissed myself.
+--- 21932176
+do you know da wae?
+--- 21932183
+>>21932089
+(in minecraft)
+--- 21932192
+>>21932048
+Don't feel too bad, shit happens.
+--- 21932233
+I wish my boyfriend's ex girlfriend would get 3rd degree burns all over her body.
+--- 21932236
+If passtheeories w'ere wrong, my dear sirs, and theeories bef'ore w'ere ev'n more wrong, then we must ponder upon the fact that theeories now be v'ry wrong, my esteemed companions. Today's theeories be as flimsy as the Flat Earth theory of yesteryear, and in a thousand yearths, they shall be ridiculed by future generations. But peradventure, they shall once again return to the Flat Earth theory. Heisenberg proclaimed that the universe be far stranger than our human minds can comprehend, and could we not observe that the passtheeories w'ere correct? But why, my fellow travelers, do we bother with the pursuit of knowledge if all theeories wilt inevitably be proven false with the passage of time?
+--- 21932237
+>>21932233
+She lives rent free in your head
+--- 21932245
+nothing is done yet nothing is left undone
+all things move to the will of the way
+the rigid snap and the flexible bend
+and all is accomplished without effort
+--- 21932269
+>>21932233
+I can ~ see ~ why you're his ex!
+--- 21932271
+>>21932043
+I know it is. I just think there’s a lot of potential for a redemption story there. 32 isn’t too old to turn your life into something worthwhile. If it were me, I’d decide between trying for the career, family, house, etc. or I’d try to transmute all of that pain into something artistic. The latter sounds romantic to me.
+--- 21932279
+I can't stand women anymore. I'm not good enough and I never will be, despite being one of the greatest people to ever live
+--- 21932280
+then you are blind if you cannot see their passion still burns for the one who is no longer with them
+you are blind to the fact that they were together before
+and you are folly to assume you know what future holds
+all that is shown is an expression of pain and jealousy that another one is in the arms of the one who they feel strongly towards
+and a blind man claiming sight
+--- 21932336
+>>21930760 (OP)
+Dear Diary, 
+
+April 19th, 2023
+
+I stumbled upon a thread on /tv/ a few days back about an anime adaptation of a manga that a friend had mentioned before. It was about an idol with reincarnated children, but I quickly lost interest and dropped it. I usually browse the Daily Mail for news articles, and I like how you can just scroll without having to click on each article.
+
+Today, I read a headline about a famous K-pop star who tragically took his own life at the age of 25. It made me think about the whole celebrity craze in Asia, and honestly, I find it embarrassing for both the fans and the so-called celebrities. If you're an idol in Japan, you have to constantly maintain a facade, the "kayfabe," where you can't date or do anything "scandalous." You have to act all moe and pure, so that loser perverts who have no clue who you are as a person can fantasize about you.
+
+But the truth is, you're not a songwriter, you're just a performer and dancer, and you're easily replaceable. There's nothing to be proud of in that. I don't understand the appeal from the fans' point of view either, waving their little light rods and tugging their weiners for someone who is obviously not sincere and probably harbors hidden contempt for them.
+
+As I reflect on all of this, I can't help but feel disillusioned with the whole celebrity culture in Asia. It's disheartening to see how superficial and artificial it can be, and it makes me question why people are so obsessed with it. I long for authenticity and sincerity in the entertainment industry, where artists can be true to themselves without having to put on a fake persona for the sake of popularity. It's a sobering realization, and it makes me appreciate genuine connections and real emotions even more.
+--- 21932340
+>>21932269
+What? I'm his girlfriend.
+>>21932237
+She does. I hate her so much.
+--- 21932367
+>>21932340
+Can I date your boyfriend's ex? That way I can help her destroy you so she can start dating him, only at the last minute to be betrayed by me and I'll get him, HE'LL BE ALL MINE!!!!
+AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
+--- 21932374
+My dad sucked my penis when I was a baby.
+--- 21932375
+>>21932367
+You can date her if you want she's a whore. But she doesn't know I exist and she has like 50 other ex boyfriend's so you would have to find the one I'm dating.
+--- 21932381
+>>21932375
+I can just ask her... And desu, if you had sex then I would consider you a whore because I'm still a virgin and a based good boy.
+--- 21932396
+My family sexually abused me.
+--- 21932400
+>>21932396
+move away from them and start a better life without them
+--- 21932401
+>>21932024
+Yes. It isn't often completely divorced, and most people have some ambiguities around sexuality anyway. Even for men attracted to women, there are naked pictures where they can admire the form and still not want to fuck it. However, there's also a social issue in some societies where men don't think fondness or beauty exists without sexuality, so you get people worried they're gay because the see male beauty even if they never want to suck or fuck anything male, or people convinced they must be into some kinky sex stuff because the idea they find something beautiful without wanting to have sex with it is a foreign notion. This also happens a lot in propaganda, such as films to persuade troops all hot women are diseased to cut down on antibiotic bills, or films to persuade a nation they wouldn't get turned on if a woman from the next nation over offered to suck their dick and drown them in her titties because that nation's women are somehow too genetically inferior to suck your cock.
+--- 21932405
+>>21932400
+They haven't abused me after becoming an adult.
+--- 21932410
+>>21932396
+I'm sorry to hear that, I know is rough but you can transcend your pain if you really work at it!
+--- 21932416
+[s]I don't know how to spoiler[/s]
+--- 21932417
+>>21932396
+what made it abuse?
+--- 21932421
+>>21932396
+Your whole family? You in a cult?
+--- 21932422
+>>21932416
+yeah I do I lied
+--- 21932424
+>>21932416
+lol, newfag. watch this
+
+ ▲
+▲ ▲
+--- 21932431
+>>21932271
+>32 isn’t too old to turn your life into something worthwhile.
+Only if you're going independent and creative. Wagies despise you for not being one of them for so long.
+--- 21932433
+>>21932417
+I said here >>21932374
+My mom told me about it. Also bad touch and looking at me while naked that I realize now wasn't normal.
+--- 21932437
+>>21932424
+I'm actually an oldfag I just left for a long time and forgot everything cause i'm old.
+--- 21932439
+>>21932431
+Then do that. I could see a NEET being an incredible gallery painter or sculptor. For everyone else, 30s is probably too old to pick up an art for the first time and achieve anything great with it, but the first NEET to project his lifelong insecurity on a canvas or in marble can be remembered. You want to be the first, not the best.
+--- 21932445
+>>21932439
+>the first NEET to project his lifelong insecurity on a canvas or in marble can be remembered. You want to be the first, not the best.
+m8 it's a bit late for that
+--- 21932447
+>>21932043
+32 year old, jobless but not a neet anon here. Go to your local employment office or call them. You 100% qualify for them to help you find a job. Just grab w/e you can and work it for 6 months to a year and save up money then jump to another job if you hate it. Your gonna be working at the bottom and it will suck and be frustrating but you'll work your way up.
+--- 21932448
+>>21932437
+same. i'm actually omnicient, i just got born into this imperfect world and forgot everything so i have to rediscover all of the knowledge i possess.
+--- 21932449
+>>21932401
+I feel like male nudity is mentally conceived of a lot differently than female nudity is thought of. Nude men are either comical (think of anime), tragical (like the dying gaul), or awe-inspiring (think of David, the Farnese Hercules, or the naked statues ancient rulers made of themselves), but practically never aesthetically pleasing in themselves like naked women are thought to be.
+--- 21932458
+>>21932448
+Wow, thats hot lets kiss!
+--- 21932473
+>>21932449
+You do know they're all posed for effect right? Just like there's pictures of sexualised females for girls to look at to learn how to be sexy. Nude photos before we developed a language for photography are a whole trip. Photography can make a lot of things which seem like they're not porn but epic moral tales or myths (Bouguereau fans you should feel called out) in photography will read as graphic pornography which is banned in most countries. There's a set of poses, lighting, medium, and other choices which not just defines something as pornographic nudity or a jolly Sunday romp for all the family which has been constructed over the history of humanity and is in constant flux. Plenty of things which would get blurred in Japan don't get blurred or even thought of as sexy (unless you're a freak) in the west, just like there's plenty of things which make you a whore in Japan which in the west make you just not a fundamentalist nutjob Christian.
+--- 21932497
+>>21932449
+Well if your a man you have this magical thing called a penis that makes women look 100 times better than they actually look. I think most men are desensitized to it, but men can see women so pretty that it "hurts physically" to look at them. Women do not really experience the same thing, they may think they do, they may say that they do, but they don't. I think this is partly why Men can be so naive and trusting and why Women can be so cruel and fucked up. We see beauty almost every day, even if we don't consciously recognize it. Women don't see this beauty every day and I think it has a covert but profound effect on how they see the world, and why they can/are so manipulative, because they see most men as mundane/average at best.
+--- 21932528
+>>21931805
+Then try place D
+--- 21932540
+>>21932449
+This is the exact opposite of what the greeks thought and what all my weightlifter friends think
+--- 21932549
+>>21932497
+Thats you projecting your low self esteem and internalized misandry. YOU dont see the male form as sexy because you are not gay.
+--- 21932560
+>>21932233
+You are larping andare not even female
+--- 21932569
+The pandemic was so stunting to my personal development. I feel so agitated and frustrated by it. A whole generation got fucked by media hysterics
+--- 21932570
+>>21932192
+yeah, thanks
+--- 21932574
+>>21932560
+I don't care if you think that I'm larping. I'm going to keep posting whenever I feel hate for my boyfriend's ex girlfriend.
+--- 21932596
+>>21932574
+That's ugly.
+--- 21932675
+>>21932549
+I don't have low self-esteem and I'm a man, yah fag! If you had read it all the way through before jumping to pre-judge you would've known!
+--- 21932740
+>>21932596
+You're ugly.
+--- 21932747
+>>21932445
+That is, the first to do a thing in a particular way, not the first to do the thing.
+--- 21932752
+I was going to type out my life’s story with the hope they I could get some advice, but I realize now that it would be pointless.
+--- 21932754
+>>21932740
+That's an ugly response.
+--- 21932757
+>>21932754
+Would you love me if I was ugly?
+--- 21932758
+About nine years ago, my dick stopped working. By which I mean, it did not ejaculate.
+
+It was an unnerving and frightening thing. I would get aroused but nothing would come of it, and nothing would come out. I would get hard, and even feel arousal, but my dick shot absolutely nothing out, even as it climaxed. It was one of the scariest periods of my life. I of course worried I had some terrible illness.
+
+My solution to this problem was to masturbate, masturbate, masturbate some more, multiple times a day. And lo and behold, it worked. I started shooting semen again. Whatever was wrong with me, I managed to cure it.
+
+Of course this swung me hard in the other direction, and now I have a crippling physical dependency on jerking off that I've still not managed to shake, even as I have tried to quit porn and leave my degeneracy behind. It's very disheartening because I feel like I was trapped between a rock and a hard place, and couldn't win no matter what I did.
+--- 21932771
+I wonder if that guy who works in university administration is here.
+--- 21932777
+>>21932754
+You're an ugly response.
+--- 21932783
+I’m in such a deep pit of despair. I don’t know how to climb out.
+--- 21932839
+>>21932758
+True story or just shitpost, anon? I can cum perfectly with porn but everytime im with a person I cannot cum, no matter how much time passses, its pretty embarrassing.
+--- 21932844
+>>21932783
+What happened, fellow?
+--- 21932846
+>>21932844
+I’m just tired man. Another birthday and I’m depressed. Things haven’t gone for me the way I wanted them to. It’s half my fault but half just bad luck, and I’m starting to get to the point where I’ve lost hope.
+--- 21932848
+Will is such a loose notion it just becomes dizzying and gets more and more muddled the more you think about it. I've met people who thought they were courageous, master of their own mind, pussy blasters, street fighters or whatever, but saw that those same people couldn't get up in the morning and go to work. Some guy would go play warrior in the streets only to return home and play fortnite till it's 3AM. On the contrary I've met people who couldn't hurt a fly but were determined to reach their goals, and waged wars against themselves for years only to have the right to exercise a certain job, and succeeded. 
+
+What is the real definition of will when taking these things in account? Are people limited by their will, or is the will of people limited by themselves? What makes a strong resolve? What makes a strong man? What is the average Joe supposed to grow as if everyone's definition of "will" is different? Is everyone supposed to do all of these things at the same time; grow muscles, fight people, cultivate a strong connection with God and be a successful businessman or are those things simply constructs of our society? I've already learned that women are not to be listened to, but even men seem to be manipulated by these ideals; nowhere is safe.
+--- 21932851
+>>21931116
+Still reading my way thru the basic shit so I'm just gonna suggest you read picrel.
+--- 21932862
+>>21932848
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_preference
+
+Just a matter of where the will is directed imo
+--- 21933005
+I’m considering becoming a monk. From what I understand about monasteries, they offer refuge and service to a highest calling. That is so appealing to me.
+--- 21933023
+I think I need to do something really radical with my life if I’m going to save it.
+--- 21933107
+>>21932846
+Plan what you want and reflect on what you realllllly can attain. And stay safe
+--- 21933115
+>>21933005
+Yeah, i wanted to neet to a monastery to study history but then I remembered Im an unironic, unrepentant gay and theyd expel me after my first attempt to footjob a senior member.
+--- 21933120
+Lately I have had to take oatmeal baths daily to stop the pain in my skin. One cup of oats ground up in the bath each time. Having some kind of allergic sensitization issue that makes my skin itch really bad.
+--- 21933124
+>>21930760 (OP)
+Is anyone else watching the World Chess Championship? It's been extremely kino so far, way more wins than usual. Normally I like the way Nepo plays better than Ding but they are both doing some crazy stuff 
+
+I find it amusing how like 90% of top level chess players are plainly autists. These events are always like an autist wrangling exercise
+--- 21933130
+>>21933124
+I got to 2000+ elo over a year ago and since then I can't stand chess.
+--- 21933139
+>>21930773
+Why do you hate it?
+--- 21933142
+>>21933124
+What the fuck happened to him
+--- 21933143
+>>21933130
+I dont play chess at all. I like watching the analysis videos because it condenses the hours of tedious thinking into short bits of genius. The combination of simplicity and complexity in the game is just hypnotizing
+--- 21933153
+Well bros it's me intellektuelleanschauung bro. I left for a while to try to make a name for myself on twitter. But it was a mistake. You faggots and retards are who I belong with. I'll be shilling german idealism again. Soon.
+--- 21933159
+just fucking talk to me I can’t get calm what do I have to do to reach uou
+--- 21933164
+The last sentence.
+--- 21933166
+>>21933143
+It's hypnotising to your virginal newbie eyes. Play for a few thousand hours and you can easily see 10 ply ahead. Actually don't, there are better uses of one's time.
+--- 21933169
+>>21933164
+What do you mean?
+--- 21933180
+>>21933166
+I straight up lack the patience to calculate lines. Sometimes I will do the little puzzles but the idea of doing that literally every move for hours makes me feel ill
+--- 21933182
+>>21933169
+Like the end of history, like the last man, that was the last sentence. All sentences have been exhausted.
+--- 21933203
+Couldn't find a [vague enough] Christian general on /x/ or /lit/, so I'll ask here:
+
+God created man, right? He gave us free will, right? He's all-knowing, and thus foreknowing, right?
+This means (from what I understand) that God set the universe up such that humans are able to sin and defy Him, and if God is all-knowing, he knows if and when we'll sin, even if he doesn't want us to. In a weird way, he made some of us to sin, and he makes some of us sin.
+So why punish us? If you program a robot to press a button (or be able to make the choice to press the button or not), and you know the robot will press the button, why punish the robot for pressing the button?
+
+One explanation I've heard from JWs is that, to make free will fair, God can sort of "turn off" his foreknowledge, so there are instances in which he indeed doesn't know what someone's going to do. I suggested this theory to a friend of mine, and he denounced it, saying "I don't see why God's knowledge of what we will do threatens our free will."
+
+Are there any passages or theological/apologetic works that try to answer this?
+--- 21933214
+Did Tom Stoppard steal this from King Crimson?
+https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/141729-i-got-dizzy-he-explained-i-should-think-you-did
+https://youtu.be/vXrpFxHfppI?t=97 [Embed]
+--- 21933226
+>>21933115
+Well, you don’t really NEET in a monastery anyway. They put you to work. Have you tried praying about your perversions?
+--- 21933243
+>>21933203
+Free will is not really a coherent concept
+--- 21933245
+>>21933203
+Yes and not only that, but Christians dispute many of the points you mention as well, like free will. There are many Christians who utterly deny free will, most notably Calvinists, who take it to such an extreme that basically nobody understands how anyone could believe in that shit, not even a lot of Calvinists. 
+
+There are lines of thought and ways of talking about these issues but no obviously correct schools or ready made answers. Many Christians will explain it basically along platonist grounds, more or less close to how Augustine did it, by saying that punishment is actually just our finite and limited perspective of our own soul's movement away from God, and that there is no literal personal relationship between God and ourselves wherein he goes "you masturbated, I'm going to damn you now." It's more that because God is somehow pure goodness itself,* his commandments and will are goodness itself, and so if we choose to defy them we are really just moving voluntarily toward evil, and evil somehow entails our suffering either now or later, because it leads to the soul being lost and (in platonist terms) becoming more formless/dissolute. 
+
+* This is itself a very difficult concept. See the famous Euthyphro paradox or dilemma.
+
+Some handle it by making God so utterly transcendent and faith so utterly necessary that it's literally just beyond our comprehension why He does what He does and it's not for us to question. This is unsurprisingly not very popular with philosophers. Usually there's a mixture of emphasis depending on the thinker.
+
+The free will issue is very ancient but actually one of the interesting things about theism and belief in a personal God is that they are comfortable with just asserting the miraculous, which makes it easy enough to do the same for free will as well. It's one of God's greatest miracles. But other Christians, including very pious and even dourly anti-philosophical ones, reject free will on rationalist grounds, so like I said, it's not clear cut. 
+
+Platonism also has room for the miraculous, which you can see in the Seventh Letter for example, where Plato just says shhh don't talk about it using words/concepts, just have the direct experience and it'll all make sense. But platonism has both this mystical side and a rationalistic side, and it often collapses into the latter in the hands of lazy and autistic thinkers. So Christian miracle believers and platonist miraculous believers often have very fruitful dialogue. The utterly "other" nature of God is a good reminder to maintain Plato's insistence on the utterly "other" nature of the One / Good / True / Beautiful.
+--- 21933253
+>>21933142
+He was buck broken by Hans "the machine" Niemann
+--- 21933261
+>>21933120
+Is it cold urticaria?
+--- 21933271
+>>21933203
+What he knows is the actions that we'll cause ourselves. Just because he already knows our actions doesn't mean they're no longer being caused by ourselves. No free will means you don't cause your actions, but you do cause the actions, and his foreknowledge doesn't change that we cause our own actions.
+--- 21933297
+Why am I constantly fearing my own death? Every time I drive I imagine getting in a fatal accident. Every time I cross a street I imagine a car hitting me. Every time I go to the beach I don't want to go in the water because it will carry me out too far and I'll drown. And I know these fears are fucking stupid and giving them too much power will stop me from enjoying life, but I just can't rewire my brain to forget them.
+
+When I think about why death would be bad I feel like I want to experience getting married and having a family, and I don't want to be cheated out of that at this point in my life. But everyone feels that way and there's got to be something deeper to it.
+--- 21933378
+I have a ton of stuff to do, everything is late and here I am
+--- 21933453
+Slow day
+--- 21933466
+>>21933453
+>back below 4000
+Based
+--- 21933470
+>>21933203
+It doesn't follow that because God allows you to sin and because he knows when and how you'll sin, that he made you sin. Your actions are your own. This is what it means to have free will. This is actually a very simple point that people seemingly do not want to accept.
+--- 21933482
+I'm going to continue to write stories, but I think I'm going to have abandon my aspirations to do anything with them. Becoming a novelist is probably not in the cards for me.
+--- 21933504
+>>21930760 (OP)
+trying to figure out an answer to this question
+
+what is the term for someone who is capitalist otherwise but against large wealth accumulation and support trade barriers? in this sense they believe that people who move over a 1 billion dollar acquisition (roughly) must then have their excess money funneled into public works.but barring that, they believe in free trade?
+--- 21933515
+>>21933504
+Paternalist. It was the ideology of Benjamin Disraeli.
+--- 21933529
+>>21933515
+alright
+--- 21933562
+>>21933482
+Never give up without a fight
+Write your whole life and in 10 years if you week even a page a week youll have your novel
+Not everyone is a sanderson-tier autist or a stepehen king schizocoke prophet, just work normally and take it day by day, author is only a career once youve published something popular
+--- 21933608
+Anyone have the webm of the woman putting coke and mentos into her ass hole? Asking for a friend
+--- 21933613
+>>21932740
+You admitted you were ugly as recently as last week
+--- 21933615
+>>21932675
+I read your post over 3 (three) times before responding.
+--- 21933618
+>>21933453
+>the steep decline correlating with when i got a job
+Lol. I'm prety sure I single handedly ruined the board
+--- 21933624
+where are you why are you doing this I need to talk to you!!!’b. M
+--- 21933642
+Why are strangers scared when I tell them I love them?
+--- 21933663
+>>21930760 (OP)
+Just found out about The Care Manifesto after my uni email got bombarded with notifications about events on campus where it will be discussed.
+I started reading through it and I just hate the antichrist. I hate the antichrist. Career academics are not human beings and it should not be legal for them to publish anything.
+--- 21933692
+>>21933663
+lmao
+
+i can't even imagine how dystopian the world is going to be if these people manage to shift things back toward ultraglobohomo and get another full century of unquestioned dominance, it will be like techno-stalinism with free tampon dispensers (for men)
+--- 21933725
+>>21933615
+should have been 4, ngmi
+--- 21933771
+As a retail wagie, I spend all day watching blacks steal.
+--- 21933783
+>>21930760 (OP)
+Going to read some philosophy of education and rhetoric next. Help me decide you guise..!
+
+https://strawpoll.com/polls/wAg3Awzwoy8
+--- 21933788
+>>21933663
+Why do you think I have a soft spot for people like Pol Pot?
+--- 21933805
+>>21933663
+I was able to identify 4 of the 5 authors as Jewish
+--- 21933806
+Egocentric monism
+--- 21933881
+I can honestly say I don’t like anything. Literature, movies, music, art. It’s all so boring. I’m panicking because I don’t like anything anymore and it’s been like this for years. I don’t want to wake up anymore.
+--- 21933910
+Why do I get the feeling that Gen X loves scatological humor? Anytime I come across some idiot posting an image of shit on social media, like Styxhexandhammer or someone else, they're always Gen X? what is wrong with that generation?
+--- 21933923
+>>21933881
+I was really apathetic and disinterested in everything until I was about 25. My first real interest was literature and I got into it during in throes of a deep depression.
+--- 21933935
+>>21933005
+Go to Mt Athos
+--- 21933964
+>>21933923
+The reverse for me. I loved it all until the age of 25. I’m 33 now and everything is just hell for me. I can’t seem to care about any of it. I just mock it all.
+--- 21933983
+>>21933642
+Having a knife and trenchcoat sometimes does that.
+--- 21934010
+I keep trying to come up with ways to salvage my career but I’ve got nothing. I’ve been in a dead end job and now I’m living with my mother at thirty years old. This is pathetic.
+--- 21934056
+>>21933881
+Go try and find real experiences in the world rather than just passively consuming media. You can't live vicariously through media even if it's "highbrow" or whatever.
+--- 21934067
+>>21934056
+I guess I’ve always enjoyed life the most when I could live vicariously through art. I’ve tried “living” more. I even went on a spontaneous date with a cute girl younger than me and we made out all night. It gave me a little rush and made me feel alive for maybe a few hours. Then I just crashed and am back to square one. It’s all extremely fleeting and not worth the effort.
+--- 21934078
+>>21933910
+Because most of us were alive during the “end of history” and felt like humor was a place where anything really goes
+--- 21934081
+She may be trippin' but no amount of trippin' can send me to succumb to depression cause I know myself. Jordan Peterson really has made a generation of incels.
+--- 21934086
+>>21933881
+>I can honestly say I don’t like anything. Literature, movies, music, art. It’s all so boring. I’m panicking because I don’t like anything anymore and it’s been like this for years. 
+So? Not to sound patronizing but, then what?
+--- 21934091
+>>21933771
+Enjoying surfing the Kali Yuga, anon? :=}
+--- 21934101
+>>21934086
+>then what?
+Can’t live long like this. It’s either an hero or find a way to go back.
+--- 21934130
+>>21933470
+But God created me, all the way to my personality and predispositions, so yes, he would make me sin. Even if the decision was my own, God made my predisposition to make that kind of choice.
+--- 21934189
+>>21934091
+Oh man that takes me back.
+--- 21934204
+>>21934130
+Thats a very interesting point and it's worth looking at scripture for an answer. When Scripture says we must be "born again" it does not mean so metaphorically. It means it literally. Throughout the epistles it said that our "old man" our "outter man" must be killed. It says also that we must be crucified with Christ. Our personality and dispositions must be renewed. This is the meaning of ressurection. That new life in you comes from Christ as the Holy Spirit, and will thereby justify you.
+>Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me
+Romans 7:20
+--- 21934226
+I got 0/3 right.
+https://www.philosophyexperiments.com/wason/
+--- 21934238
+Happy 4/20!!!
+--- 21934239
+>>21934226
+Thats just testing your understanding of conditional statements (I also got 0/3)
+--- 21934244
+>>21934226
+I got 1/3 right
+--- 21934245
+>>21930773
+You can travel back to Europe, like your parents travelled from Europe to the US
+--- 21934249
+>>21934245
+Europe is a hell hole man don't give him bad advice like that
+--- 21934283
+>>21934245
+I can barely speak or understand my mothertongue after growing up in America. It's not that simple.
+--- 21934377
+I've had a dream about a girl I had a crush on but haven't seen for like 10 years now. It happens once in a while, always makee me feel like shit. I think I got over it but my brain didn't it seems.
+--- 21934405
+i have nightmares of my PC catching a virus or breaking completely almost every night
+--- 21934413
+Video game addiction is better than imageboard addiction.
+--- 21934423
+>>21934405
+I try to backup my work and rare folders in multiple places that arent cloud. I am kinda scared I will forget to update for a long time and lose a yea of work or something.
+--- 21934426
+>>21934405
+>i have nightmares of my PC catching a virus
+lmfao just run malwarebytes from safe mode, that will always clean whatever you can catch. Good exploits are 100% reserved for high-value targets, and your collection of hentai isn't it.
+--- 21934446
+The road is still ahead of me but I'm dead tired.

lit/21930770.txt

@@ -10,3 +10,114 @@ also haircuts...wtf is the deal with their total disregard of how their hair loo
 --- 21930802
 >>21930776
 High stress. + lenin mausoleum leaking chaotic mental miasma poisoning thoughts, words and actions.
+--- 21930819
+>>21930776
+>>21930802
+Cope and seethe. They look good. What doesn't look good is faggy hair cuts, t shirts and basketball sneakers, soijak glasses, beards, and bracelets and necklaces. Like it or not, that's how grown men present themselves. I would trust them and take them more seriously than any amerimutt man-child creature on /fa/.
+--- 21930824
+>>21930776
+>Russians
+They are Jews thoughever
+--- 21930828
+>>21930824
+Still dressed well.
+--- 21930833
+I've only read novellas
+Heart of a Dog, Notes from the Underground and A Hero of our Time
+I've never bothered reading anything from Tolstoy, Dostoyevsky or Gogol
+Btw do you guys know anything about the Penguin translation of And Quiet flows the Don? Is it abridged?
+--- 21930836
+>>21930770 (OP)
+roadside picnic
+--- 21930863
+>>21930833
+>I've never bothered reading anything from Tolstoy, Dostoyevsky or Gogol
+>notes from the underground
+--- 21930869
+>>21930819
+I agree that American fashion sense is worse than the Russian, but in Europe Russians are the weirdest in terms of fashion sense. At least the men, the women are very generally very fashionable in the same rank as the Italians.
+--- 21930896
+bulgakov's "a young doctor's notebook"
+--- 21930897
+Dr. Zhivago
+--- 21930898
+>>21930863
+I meant their novels sorry
+>>21930897
+I have this
+Is it comfy?
+--- 21930904
+>>21930897
+that's a movie lol
+go back to /tv/ kek
+hahaha I know it was initially a book, but whatever hahaha
+--- 21930970
+>>21930833
+It lacks about 500 pages. It's not even abridged, it just stops in the middle of the story
+--- 21930984
+>>21930970
+Ah that really sucks
+What the fuck is the point?
+--- 21931037
+>>21930770 (OP)
+Notes from Underground and Hero of Our Time are my personal favorites
+Also enjoyed Aquarium
+>>21930776
+I simply don't give a fuck about my clothes. I regularly wear jackets older than me
+--- 21931057
+>>21930776
+Their musicians looked sick
+>>17552740
+--- 21931276
+>>21930776
+Strugatskis are your stereotypical pre pop culture nerds. What kind of fashion did you expect?
+Chekhov had some real drip.
+--- 21931301
+thirding A Hero of Our Time
+--- 21931590
+>>21930984
+Probably something to do with copyright or soviet censorship
+--- 21932169
+>>21930776
+They don't give a shit. Neither do the rest of us (Slavs).
+--- 21932465
+>>21932169
+based
+--- 21932602
+>>21930770 (OP)
+from the Strugatskys it would be The Doomed City, with Hard to be a God a close second
+--- 21933486
+>>21930770 (OP)
+S.N.U.F.F from SciFi
+Some other from non-scifi prose
+--- 21933494
+>>21930776
+they're heterosexual men.
+--- 21933589
+>>21930770 (OP)
+--- 21933646
+>>21930770 (OP)
+Taras Bulba
+--- 21933651
+>multiple people saying hero of our time 
+Are you all stupid or just read 1 (one) Russian book?
+--- 21933718
+>>21933651
+It's short and very exciting with beautiful descriptions of the caucasus
+Also it has a literally me main character in the form of Pechorin
+--- 21933862
+>>21930776
+It's a Soviet era photo
+--- 21933893
+Oblomov
+Fathers and Sons
+Petersburg
+--- 21933916
+>>21933651
+It might honestly be the best Russian novel. It's transcendentally beautiful; Lermontov was a first class poet and he converted it into prose seamlessly. Even in translation to english it's beautiful because of the richness of the images.
+--- 21933921
+>>21930770 (OP)
+Roadside Picnic
+
+>>21930836
+based

lit/21930892.txt

@@ -0,0 +1,165 @@
+-----
+--- 21930892
+What the fuck was his problem?
+--- 21930895
+Raised by the Plymouth Brethren, was unable to escape their theology, only invert it. Was the Marx to their Hegel.
+--- 21930906
+>>21930892 (OP)
+he literally ate dog shit
+--- 21930911
+>>21930906
+And you could never. You are literally too weak to eat dogshit so how could you ever hope to kill and replace God?
+--- 21930915
+>>21930906
+Was he the drag queen in pink flamingoes?
+--- 21930924
+>>21930906
+I thought he ate his own shit? You know what, I need a citation.
+>>21930915
+Wut lol?
+--- 21930925
+>>21930895
+In Plymouth town there lived a maid
+Bless you young women
+In Plymouth town there lived a maid
+Now mind what I do say
+In Plymouth town there lived a maid who was mistress of her trade
+I'll go no more a-roving with you fair maid
+A-roving, a-roving, since roving's been my ruin
+I'll go no more a-roving with you fair maid
+--- 21930934
+He crumbled under the weight of forces he wasn't mentally, emotionally, or morally prepared to invoke. Many such cases.
+--- 21930935
+>>21930924
+the drag queen in pink flamingos eats dog shit, and then the director breaks the fourth wall and says "real dog shit, she's the filthiest actress in the world." you literally watch the shit come out of the dogs ass and the drag queen picking it up and eating it, it's not like there's a cut away where they could have replaced it or used special effects
+--- 21930944
+>Defiant kid with parental issues inherit his dad fortune as a teen.
+not enough bullying
+--- 21930947
+>>21930934
+He was probably the most equipped and prepared to do so. What does that say about the occult?
+--- 21930952
+>>21930947
+Lol ok
+--- 21930954
+>>21930892 (OP)
+bong genetics
+--- 21930958
+>>21930947
+>the most equipped
+he was spoiled and defiant
+his ''magik'' was impressing himself with delusions
+he's an absolute retard like most occultists
+--- 21930965
+>>21930952
+>>21930958
+Don't play with magic kids, it will invite evil shit into your life and fuck you up! Seek Christ instead.
+--- 21930987
+>>21930965
+Many old European occultists were more devout Christians than you ever will be. I'm tired of this meme, but yes it's good advice for the average person.
+--- 21931000
+>>21930892 (OP)
+The fact that he didn't use his demonic powers to get a better looking body makes me doubt of him.
+--- 21931028
+>>21930987
+>devout Christians
+>ignoring one of the basic commandments and messing with "magic", divination, and other occultism
+yeah, sure.
+--- 21931031
+>>21931028
+there's no such commandment
+--- 21931039
+>>21931031
+Deuteronomy 18:9-12
+--- 21931076
+>>21931039
+>Old Testament
+--- 21931079
+>>21931076
+>t. Biblically illiterate
+--- 21931087
+>>21931076
+Simon Magus is in the New Testament. An example is made of that ruinous sorcerer.
+--- 21931100
+>>21931087
+also the men who repented and burned their books after Paul's sermon.
+--- 21931198
+What's with all the Aleister Crowley posting lately?
+--- 21931518
+he was very sexually confused and if he were alive today would be a tranny. which really says something about how much he was a product of his time, even if he would disagree
+--- 21931551
+How the fuck do I do magic? So far I noticed only abstaining from cumming will make certain things I think of come into fruition the exact way I thought them out, but that's about it. What other method is there? I might try fasting, I had a supernatural experience on it once, I was watching a foreign movie I aint ever seen before and my brain foretold the subtitles perfectly for 2 minutes straight, I couldnt stop crying and was extremely scared realising the supernatural is actually real
+--- 21931564
+>>21931551
+Magic is trickery (prestidigitation etc)
+Magic is chemistry (alchemy)
+and psychology (Charisma etc)
+--- 21931578
+>>21930892 (OP)
+homosexuality. his whole claim to being the most evil man alive was that he had lots of gay sex in weird places which is more retarded than evil.
+--- 21931580
+>>21931578
+retardation usually is evil
+--- 21931581
+>>21931564
+Nice. I am gonna use magic to get out of the friendzone and fuck this one bitch, wish me luck. She is a massive slut so I think I'm gonna make it, I just gotta make her fall for me and it's a wrap, the friendzone is deep but we still hug and kiss a lot and she calls me babe and such. I will try everything hope I will make it
+--- 21931589
+>>21931578
+do you think he did it because he was actually homo and enjoyed it, or because he could not think of a more evil and degenerate thing to do and did not like it at all, but took one for the evil team?
+--- 21931721
+>>21930892 (OP)
+Invented National Socialism with the Book of the Law, rejected a life of privilege to eat shit, get sodomized, and do tons of opium going where no man had gone before since John Dee in summoning Demons and traveling through the Astral. Died poor, penniless, and addicted.
+
+Still an interesting fella
+--- 21931726
+>>21931589
+he did it as a means of ego-death, atleast in Algiers that was the purpose, and he instantly regretted it - it ruined his friendship with the man, and the man he did it with was scarred afterwards - also there is some sex magick going on with harnessing the creative energy of the universe and boofing it into the root chakra (anus)
+--- 21931769
+>>21930892 (OP)
+Being a complete degenerate and a shitty writter.
+https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1681922593296585.webm
+--- 21931779
+>>21931726
+damn...he messed up
+--- 21931781
+>>21930892 (OP)
+>What the fuck was his problem?
+He knew.
+--- 21931832
+>>21931769
+He set the bar low for his fan-fiction devotees to build their confidence such that they would not hesitate to emulate him. Truly a stroke of proselytizing genius.
+--- 21932066
+>>21931726
+was crowley the pitcher or catcher
+--- 21932885
+>>21930892 (OP)
+Hardcore evangelical dispensationalist confession Plymouth Bretheren's Revelations 3:9 churchianity + en vogue psychologization of the occult early 20th century (and UK intel asset spookery). Large inheritance dandy doing opiod abuse coomery mostly.
+--- 21932891
+Thoughts on the Crowley did 9/11 conspiracy theory? Also if SOMEBODY could please give me a legitimate citation saying he ate shit PLEASE link it here.
+--- 21932898
+>>21930892 (OP)
+dude was literally just horny
+--- 21932941
+>>21930892 (OP)
+he was trans
+--- 21933337
+he was a pervert who found a niche that got him laid
+--- 21933359
+>>21930892 (OP)
+I think he was just a sociopathic schizo the same way Jim Jones was.
+--- 21933416
+>>21930892 (OP)
+He tangled with dark forces...
+--- 21933451
+>>21930892 (OP)
+Just another Masonic dork who thought he could tangle with "demons."
+--- 21933719
+>>21930935
+Divine is a legend. But a bit after Crowley.
+--- 21933731
+Rich bitches. Trust fund kids are basically the lowest form of life and pseuds eat up every dropping from their fat mouths.
+--- 21933937
+>>21930892 (OP)
+Sexual trauma from too much gay sex/rape.
+--- 21934392
+What I want to know is, what was his opinion on esoteric Hitlerism and the Nazi myth of the Aryan race?

lit/21930903.txt

@@ -0,0 +1,102 @@
+-----
+--- 21930903
+So I haven’t been here in about 10 years and randomly decided to come back a couple days ago to lurk and see how things are. One big difference between now and then I picked up on: when I used to come here Tao Lin and Infinite Jest were constantly having threads made about them—almost to the point of suffocating discussion about anything else. Now they seem completely absent. What gives?
+--- 21930905
+sneed.
+--- 21930973
+>>21930903 (OP)
+i wish i could shoplift from american apparel
+--- 21930978
+We discuss The Bell Jar and Blood Meridian, now.
+--- 21931003
+>>21930905
+Wow
+--- 21931021
+Wom*n and fags
+--- 21931250
+>>21930903 (OP)
+
+I'm relatively new on 4chan, but I can definitely say those alt-lit days are long gone. After their softboy everyman image was exposed, that was the end.
+--- 21931269
+>I've noticed the pop culture zeitgeist is not the same as it was 14 years ago. Can anyone explain this?
+--- 21932075
+>>21931250
+>their softboy everyman image was exposed
+what do you mean
+--- 21932148
+>>21932075
+
+The writers in the alt lit scene put on this boyish (sometimes even 'woke') persona, then it turned out that editor Stephen Tully Dierks (founder of Pop Serial) was accused of rape, Tao Lin was accused of emotional abuse and rape, Stephen Trull was accused of sexual abuse, Stephen Michael McDowell said he was a "rapist and sex offender," and Steve Roggenbuck was accused of predatory behaviour. I'm not that into the scene / don't know the outcomes of these accusations, but this string of accusations put an end to alt-lit's popularity. I rarely hear these guys talked about anymore, maybe with the exception of Tao Lin, who I believe just released a new book.
+--- 21932240
+>>21932148
+I don't really think that's it but just that they are bad writers. Their personal lives and their work are separate matters and conflating the two can be dangerous.
+--- 21932241
+>>21930903 (OP)
+Richard Yates is much better than Shoplifting.
+--- 21932301
+>>21932240
+
+From a critical perspective (i.e, from the perspective of someone reading a text), I do think it's good to seperate the text from the author (unless the text suggests otherwise). In the case of a literary scene dying, though, I don't really think any of that matters. A scene can easily die as a result of the actions/opinions of the people involved in that scene.
+
+The Alt Lit scene seemed especially insular and social. It's death also seemed remarkably sudden, happening long after the allegations came out. In this case, I unfortunately think it was extra-textual stuff that caused it's death, not anything to do with the texts themselves.
+--- 21932309
+>>21932301
+
+I'll add that I do think the Alt Lit style would have exhausted itself eventually. I just don't think that was the cause of its death.
+--- 21932319
+>>21930978
+Yeah, but there was a time...
+--- 21932322
+>>21931250
+>those alt-lit days are long gone
+Nah, DFW only died out in the past year.
+--- 21932329
+>>21932309
+Fair points and agreed. It seems the core issue is that leftist literature wants to have the statement and morals of nihilism and degeneracy and hopelessness yet they cannot act as such. I hadn't heard of any of those individuals.
+--- 21932346
+>>21932322
+
+Is DFW considered Alt Lit?
+--- 21932353
+>>21932148
+Man, haven’t heard those names in awhile. As pretentious (and, ultimately, inauthentic) as alt-lit was, that whole time was kind of exciting in many ways.
+--- 21932363
+>>21932346
+All of these lit types are what I'd call the pyschological literary types - they are the legitinate inheritors to Faustian, Marxist, Freudian, and Nabokovian literature which is to say that they basically are dealing with humanity through the lens of science, politics, economics, and technology and not huamnity on the terms of huamnity. DFW needs pyschology and medicine for his prose to work and though he is commendable in this task he ultimately does not write spiritually except via a spirituality of implicit ommission where, like in drug addicts in IJ or taxes in PK, the spiritual is implied via pain and boredom and is not imminent in potentiality nor actuality and thus it falls flat and also typifies that in trying to fulfill the Faustian literature he kills literature in a sense.
+--- 21932377
+>>21932346
+Man, I wouldn't even want to get started on taxonomy. I just went with the flow of what OP posted, and that included IJ. People can call this stuff whatever they want. It's too much work to enforce.
+--- 21932378
+>>21932346
+No
+--- 21932395
+>>21932329
+
+I think even more disturbing is that they came off as self-righteous (feminist, vegan, inherently empathetic) and they were unable to meet their own standards in many ways. I'm not sure what underpins their morality, but I don't really think they were nihilistic. And if they were degenerate, it was only in a kind of ironic way. What caused everything to cave in was their ultimately insincere flag waving. 
+
+Each Alt Lit writer was a bit different, but this pretty well sums up things up haha: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bR6uOsDn-Q [Embed]
+--- 21932404
+>>21932346
+Nah, they hated him and Franzen.
+--- 21932408
+>>21932378
+>>21932404
+
+Agreed.
+
+>>21932363
+
+Um..what?
+--- 21932438
+>>21932353
+
+Oh definitely. At the time it was pretty exciting stuff. Even before the scandals, the gossip, blogs, quick bits of writing, internet talk, etc. It cut through a lot of the high brow lit scene stuff of the time. And it's not like I liked the writing necessarily, it was just fun.
+--- 21932778
+>>21932346
+>Is DFW considered Alt Lit?
+Nah, Dallas is a leftwing shit hole, and Fort worth ain't much better. I should know I went there for TFF and nothing but troons and shit
+--- 21933217
+go to bed, tao
+--- 21933324
+>>21930903 (OP)
+Same, man. I wonder if people are still reading Stoner? It was so cool where there was that month where it seemed like every single person on this board read it and discussed it.

lit/21930981.txt

@@ -0,0 +1,140 @@
+-----
+--- 21930981
+post what you wrote today.
+--- 21930982
+>>21930981 (OP)
+All my shitposts are freely available at 4channel.org
+--- 21930989
+>>21930981 (OP)
+The cradle rocks above an abyss, and common sense tells us that our existence is but a brief crack of light between two eternities of darkness. Although the two are identical twins, man, as a rule, views the prenatal abyss with more calm than the one he is heading for (at some forty-five hundred heartbeats an hour). I know, however, of a young chronophobiac who experienced something like panic when looking for the first time at homemade movies that had been taken a few weeks before his birth. He saw a world that was practically unchanged--the same house, the same people--and then realized that he did not exist there at all and that nobody mourned his absence. He caught a glimpse of his mother waving from an upstairs window, and that unfamiliar gesture disturbed him, as if it were some mysterious farewell. But what particularly frightened him was the sight of a brand-new baby carriage standing there on the porch, with the smug, encroaching air of a coffin; even that was empty, as if, in the reverse course of events, his very bones had disintegrated.
+--- 21931062
+City ornithologist
+Cut off from the material world around him, the city ornithologist – whose wide beckoned shoulders are sturdy – looks at the shapeless ground. Cigarette butts litter the jutting stones beneath. His spine – whose vertebrae stick out like needles – rests painfully atop a wooden bench. His camera is set to manual. He carries the damned thing with him wherever he goes & rarely puts the cylindrical lens cap on. Formless, and on the boundary of spite he finds his thoughts as a single gold speckled armaroon jettisons itself into his vision and onto a branch above. Its silent wings, like dancing water lilies create an unwitnessable spiral of wind. With his camera poised at the fractured tree above, with its tenfold branches, he shoots. Mechanical his camera shutter 
+
+A single sentence forms in his mind “The apricots in spring firmly grasp the root of the seed”
+This is his ritual; this is what he does. He has done this yesterday, he will do this tomorrow.
+Every night he goes home to his dingy armchair apartment – littered with empty cigarette cartons & battered volumes – yanks off his military boots - which always sound heavier than they are when dropped on his parquet flooring – and enters his darkroom awaiting him with that familiar ominous red haze.
+This is a story about a city ornithologist who hates his craft, he hates the birds he watches as much as he hates the city he finds himself in. he hates the fact that the birds keep showing up to these concrete steps & hates the concrete steps. He continues to go out every day nonetheless and photograph birds that litter the concrete landscape, he does it day in day out, its his job, his way of living, it’s the reason he gets out of bed in the morning, it’s the only thing that keeps him going. It’s his sole idea, his sole thing that he does, he doesn’t identify with being a city ornithologist but he does the action, he goes through the motion without thinking. 
+im still working on it man
+--- 21931179
+I want to kill myself.
+--- 21931702
+>>21931179
+Every day
+--- 21931758
+>>21931062
+You're a soulless piece of shit.
+Also, wtf is an "armaroon"?
+--- 21931776
+>>21930981 (OP)
+>In the morning I made up push ups and abs and now my tits and tummy hurts
+--- 21931854
+>>21930981 (OP)
+Coconuts, coconuts all fall down. Rope em up, chop em up, cook em up now. Sex with guns, hold my Tums, you die, son. The devil lies in wait. No more hate. I've got runs. No more breath. Piglet death. I'm not done.
+--- 21931865
+And in my robes, I feel that which the divine could never comprehend. And it’s why the hermits hate us all, and wish to become judges for all civilized folks, for their own gnosis tells them in cryptic words and hush’d tones to hate that which is gifted to them. And if all the cardinals and bishops profess such wisdom in their sermons, it’s because of the jealousy that divine creatures have. They are unable to understand temptation, as it were. The flesh is a thing that must be cast away, but like a drunken lover, the forlorn and maudlin mornings are ever so present in her absence. 
+ The smoke lingers, shading me from myself, and if I am to feel free in the presence of a divine that envies me, then I shall revel in their jealousy. But in my shade, I am hidden from myself, and it’s only here where I am able to understand true pleasure.
+--- 21931881
+I wrote lots of Cython code for an astrophysics project, not sure the anons would want to read it
+--- 21931893
+>>21930989
+I like it. Certainly better quality and content than the tripe commonly seen on bookstore shelves these days. Is this excerpt part of a novel?
+--- 21931927
+>>21931893
+You are right, but it is the opening to Nabokov’s autobiography.
+--- 21931940
+>>21930981 (OP)
+>Allopurinol - 300mg. Remember to take
+--- 21932108
+19th April
+
+The most beautiful day of the year so far. The temperature passed 20ºC just for a brief moment before three in the afternoon and it's starting to recede again. There's a soothing arctic wind blowing from the south-southeast after having entered the continent through the Uruguayan and Rio Grandense coasts. The sun is firmly over the Equator and he's sending us under the Tropic of Capricorn a beautiful yellowish light - as opposed to that oppressive white hue in the Summer. Shadows are pronounced and make every stroll in the street a pleasure. There was torrential rain and exceptional electric activity since Sunday evening, when the arctic mass was approaching and displacing the hot humid mass that sat over us for the last week. It ended yesterday. The air and sky are clear except for some well-formed clouds - which might make the sunset quite good today. As I was riding my bike, I noticed that some trees have starting losing their leafs, but most of them are still verdant. I haven't felt this good for some time.
+
+ I'll be heading to the neighborhood overlook when the Sun starts to set.
+--- 21932112
+>>21930981 (OP)
+Fuck you glowie, if you want my book you can pay for it
+--- 21932124
+Hey, so much happened last night, but I can remember all of it. Every moment, every touch, everything. Anyway, I'll start from the start. My dad had a business trip to Vancouver this weekend, and mom went with him, so it was just Sarah and me in the house this weekend. So, I had been a bit nervous all day thinking about what might happen on our date, but I made sure I was as ready as I could be. I had already decided what I would wear, it was a nice restaurant so I would wear my nicest jeans and a collared shirt with my leather jacket. It was about time to go so I knocked on Sarah's door to see if she was ready. She opened the door and what met my eyes took my breath away. She was wearing a gorgeous black dress that I had never seen before. She was literally stunning, but I shook myself out of it and said "You look amazing." She smiled, "You look pretty handsome yourself." We made our way out to my car, it wasn't anything special but it was functional. I remember when I first got it, Sarah was always asking for rides places. I could never really say no to her, and she would always give me a big hug when I said I would drive her. We made small talk most of the way to the restaurant. I hadn't been to this restaurant in years, and it had a lot more atmosphere than I remembered. The lighting, in combination with the soft red color of the walls made the place seem to almost glow. We had a table in a quiet corner of the restaurant with a window and a perfect view of the setting sun outside. The sun painted the clouds pink and the sky a brilliant hue of orange and red. We both admired the sunset for a while before ordering. She ordered the seafood linguini and I had the surf and turf. As we waited for our food, she told me about what was going on with her group of friends recently, and I interjected occasionally to show interest. As the night went on our conversation covered a lot of ground, from stuff at school to where we might live together when we move out. We laughed together, shared food from each other's plates, and overall had a great time. Towards the end I decided it was time to give her her birthday present. She took the little box and unwrapped it carefully. When she opened the box, she gasped slightly, "its beautiful!" She went on to open the locket. "Thats my favorite picture of us, its perfect! Help me put it on." I came around the table and clasped it behind her neck. As soon as it clicked she grabbed my shirt and drew me into a kiss. "Thank you, for everything." she said. I smiled and said she was welcome and sat back down. It was about time to leave, so I paid and we left.
+
+Still in rough draft.
+--- 21932142
+>>21932112
+Never change, /lit/
+--- 21932145
+>>21931758
+type of bird man, your deductive reasoning skills aint so sharp anymore huh
+--- 21932942
+Bitch anons need to converse more
+
+>>21931062
+I like the imagery and descriptions the most. Wanted to know more about the MC, too. If you didn't put that explanation at the end, I wouldn't have guessed he was an actual ornithologist and would've happily done away with thinking it was all symbolic, so your writing seems like it'd do well to carry the accompanying narrative with its primary figurative intentions once you continue. Will say though that 
+>A single sentence forms in his mind “The apricots in spring firmly grasp the root of the seed”
+sounds too stilted, like you wanted to get that contrasting idea out of your head immediately and onto paper instead of developing it slower alongside the rest of the current city-bird-tree presentation. Could prob introduce this idea a little later, even within the same chap, just not here
+
+>>21931865
+I like this character, too, what's the story about? Wanna read more paragraphs specifically about this guy, he's got an immediate intrigue
+
+>>21931881
+Drop your project in here, or at least the abstract
+
+>>21932108
+Best in the thread, this is lovely
+
+>>21932124
+As per the opening lines, I think you could benefit from adding as much as you can to the point where his entire recount is overflowing with details of the date. It's touched upon in part with the inclusion of things that'd be mundane in other scenarios (colour of walls, food orders, that little aside he gives about his car, etc.), and as they are now, these actually serve as pretty good launching points of interest for the narrator's object. If you were to compound them more and more with extra embellishments, it'd fulfill the 
+>"...so much happened last night"
+intro. MC seems to be into colour and lighting, so from the top of my head, you could have him really indulge in describing the sunset segment, for instance. The inserts he places after certain predicates (car thing I mentioned, Sarah asking for rides, etc.) would be cool to include as well
+--- 21932981
+>>21932942
+Based anon, /lit/ needs more like you. I agree with your assessment of >>21932124 (You) , I try to tie details in to be relevant to the specific relationship or situation thematically. Each piece adds to the context of what the characters are doing, their past, expectations of the future, etc. I'm glad you appreciated that and it's nice to have someone offer some actual encouragement here rather than the usual turgid negativity spewed to anyone who dares offer their opinion or work. Some continuation: (also I'm seeing the trend you pointed out of focus on lighting in this part too, haha)
+
+We walked hand in hand down to the waterfront. It was dark by now but there was ample lighting along the path. I could see she was shivering slightly, even with her coat on. I slipped my coat off and put it around her shoulders. "Won't you be cold though?" she asked. "I'll be fine, I've got ice in my veins anyway." That made her smile; its kind of a joke saying around the hockey rink. As we walked, we came across a talented violinist playing a vaguely familiar song. We stopped to listen for a while, Sarah leaning her head against me with my arm around her. Some other people had stopped to listen as well, and when the song came to an end there was a long round of applause and the violinist took a bow. We moved on, looking out over the water. The light from the docks reflected off the water and made the waves seem to shimmer in the darkness. We came to one of our favorite places when we were kids. It's a tall, roofless lookout 3 stories tall that flies several flags. We climbed to the top and looked back along the path we had just walked, and across the water to the small islands just off the coast. It was cold and windy up there, and Sarah pressed herself tightly against me. I looked down into her eyes and said "happy birthday." She reached up and kissed me. I could hear the flags flapping in the wind and could feel the cold all around, but her lips were strangely warm
+--- 21932993
+>>21932124
+
+First few lines were leading in a whole different direction, until I reached "our date".
+--- 21933420
+>>21930981 (OP)
+If only my mouth were her toilet and my tongue her bidet
+--- 21933450
+>>21932124
+Is this an incest story?
+--- 21933883
+>>21933450
+What makes you say that? Also, I'm work shopping the MC's internal struggle and rationalizations but these are the lines I'm thinking:
+
+As she took a bite from her plate, I looked at her downcast eyes and for a moment was seized by an absurd thought that I was like an escaped convict in the night, and her bright, intense eyes were like search lights. Their beauty and danger caused me to halt my escape to gaze at them, when any moment their beam could find me, would find me, would illuminate me and send thrills through my heart. They would reveal all my desire, my guilt, my passion for her. But then, the moment would pass, her glance would fall away from me and I would be thrown again into darkness. Her eyes lifted from her plate to look at me. "You sap" she said teasingly, as she caught me staring at her. "No, you're just a nut" I replied as I hastily turned my attention to my food.
+
+I'm not an imbecile. I know all of society would universally condemn me for what I was pursuing here. I know any reasonable person would counsel me to self control, to self denial. But self denial in service of what? That she would move on from me, grow up, find love in another man's arms? Every fiber of my being rejected this answer. No. Our bond was unique, special, something no one else could ever offer her. And what of me? What justice is there in sentencing a man who has seen the wondrous colors of the most beautiful vistas to a lifetime of blindness? To sentence a man who has experienced the promise of spring to an eternal bleak winter? No, that would be madness. It is right that she should be mine. She will be mine. From that moment on, my passion, with the endorsement of my reason (though some may argue my reason abandoned me), propelled me forward in my plans.
+--- 21933896
+Today isn't one of my writing days. Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Sundays are my writing days. But last evening I wrote more than 1500 words of prose, part of the big story I'm working on.
+--- 21933898
+>>21933883
+Because 
+>parents not home
+>only me and Sarah at home
+
+Made it sound like she's living at the main character's house too. Why would it matter to her? Anyways, it's a quick and easy read, clear style, enjoyable
+--- 21933907
+>>21933898
+I was being coy, you have identified the intrigue of the story correctly. Thanks for the feedback, this thread has been very positive!
+--- 21933999
+The river sloped down to a small beachhead, mostly pebbles, from the mossy treeline in a shallowing half-moon with only the curve of reflections to tell the rivulets of water unfolding in a soft mummur over the stones. The air was humid to suffocation under the languid forest’s canopy, sweltering in midday fumes like a pressure cooker, but here at the rivers edge a blade of freshness has carved through it. Tongues of wind unfurl over the edge of the boy’s ears now, softly whispering. He feels their presence even after contact, each wind-blossom trailing downriver in his path into it. He had left the others camping downriver as was becoming his custom, preferring to keep a forward watch, or at least he said. In fact, he never really engaged with the thought too much to consider whether that was the reason or not. It’s what he said, so he said it, he figured that was enough. Curling underfoot the darkstone pebbles tremor in mud-plume mandalas in his wake. His ear tethers now finding their first impressions of the bushes they hid the overturned canoes behind. Next to his leg, a fat catfish warbles by. Black skiptracers, may bugs, in their frenzied tango, sketching interference patterns into the crystal runnings. Little ballerinas hopping their way across the canvas. These are the things he notices now. The nauseous breath of pan hangs in a purple cloud over this dewdropped and sunlight-checkered stream. What direct sunlight that makes it through the canopy cutting through the bugs and the mossstone and the clearwater in sighing cascades, like the aspiration of pockmarked searchlight. He lets his wind-vision carry him now, laying back into the stream, nose doing most of the work now. He feels the catfish swimming underneath him. Against all attempts, he dozes.
+--- 21934124
+>>21930981 (OP)
+Here's from the book I'm writing. Obviously very rough and will likely widely change or even remove it later on.
+
+“No, it’s quite alright…,” I whispered in a low tone. “Just fatigued from the massage.”
+He laughed. “Well don’t fall asleep just yet - we’re almost done here.”
+With our time almost up, Doctor Lee helped me up and asked me to lie on my side, informing me that he planned to do a chiropractic adjustment. Absent-mindedly I complied, for even though I was fearful of such an act earlier, I was too relaxed to show any hesitation. Placing me on my side, he positioned my arms into the shape of an X, with my left arm touching my right shoulder and vice-versa, and with everything prepared, he used the force of his entire body - all 300 pounds of pure muscle and might - to lean in and push on my back like he was folding a piece of paper. That’s when it happened: pop. Like a child playing with bubble wrap, I could hear a flurry of cracks along my back, each one releasing a wave of endorphins throughout my body, so alleviating that - to my embarrassment - I let out a loud animal-like groan. 
+“Was that too much pressure?” Doctor Lee asked.
+“No, in fact that was just what I needed.” I felt like a huge degenerate when I said that, but I wasn’t fibbing. Every muscle in my body was in a state of catharsis, and the pain from my accident was greatly reduced, to the point where I felt I could run a country mile.
+“Arlight, now the other side and we’ll be done.” Same procedure as before. Pop pop pop. Pure ecstasy. I felt like I was in heaven, dancing on the clouds of joy and longing as peaceful hymns played softly across the pearly kingdom. Sweet mother of God was I really holding in all that stress and pressure all these weeks, slouched over as I was like Quasimodo, the hunchback of Notre Dame? 
+I got up off the massage table and thanked the good man.“Good heavens you’ve the hands of an angel. I feel so much better.”
+--- 21934208
+>>21933907
+I would love a link to it when it's done
+--- 21934259
+>>21934124
+In a serene and dimly lit room, a patient lies on a massage table, eyes closed, with a hint of a smile. Doctor Lee, an imposing yet gentle figure, stands over the patient, preparing to perform a powerful chiropractic adjustment. Soft light spills onto the scene from a single source, casting dramatic shadows that accentuate the muscles and contours of Doctor Lee's arms and the patient's relaxed body. The Nikon D850 captures the intimate moment in stunning detail, the rich colors and textures revealing the anticipation and trust between patient and practitioner.

lit/21931002.txt

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+-----
+--- 21931002
+What are some of the best opening phrases of all time?
+--- 21931010
+Once upon a time
+--- 21931023
+>>21931002 (OP)
+It's Call me Ishmael. That's the goat. No contest. Has been and will be a meme for far longer than Kazcynski's autistic screech about the evils of indoor plumbing.
+--- 21931026
+A screaming came across the sky, but everything following is shit.
+--- 21931066
+>>21931002 (OP)
+A spectre is haunting Europe — the spectre of communism. All the powers of old Europe have entered into a holy alliance to exorcise this spectre: Pope and Tsar, Metternich and Guizot, French Radicals and German police-spies.
+--- 21931148
+>>21931023
+riverrun
+--- 21931168
+>>21931002 (OP)
+See the child.
+
+Followed by the GOAT opening page.
+--- 21931184
+>>21931002 (OP)
+We live in a period.
+--- 21931336
+Muchos años después, frente al pelotón de fusilamiento, el coronel Aureliano Buendía había de recordar aquella tarde remota en que su padre lo llevó a conocer el hielo.
+--- 21931350
+>>21931023
+>Call me Ishmael
+What is the best speculation on who he really was and what he was running from?
+--- 21931397
+"Maman died today. Or maybe yesterday, I don't know."
+--- 21931484
+>>21931002 (OP)
+Once a guy stood all day shaking bugs out of his hair.
+--- 21931534
+Happy Families are all alike; every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way
+--- 21931538
+>>21931002 (OP)
+>This is the saddest story I have ever heard.
+--- 21931545
+"Lolita, light of my life, fire of my loins" 
+
+"Happy families are all alike; every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way."
+
+I like these, and also >>21931023 >>21931336
+--- 21931918
+>>21931002 (OP)
+I was walking down the stairs of the Imperial Palace of Constantinople, as one so often does, when from the corner of my eye I saw Christ Pantokrator, "burn the city," he commanded, "and throw the people upon spikes," and as he commanded so would I obey.
+--- 21932046
+>>21931002 (OP)
+>Money . . . ?
+--- 21932050
+ᴥ
+--- 21932064
+El día que lo iban a matar, Santiago Nasar se levantó a las 5.30 de la mañana para esperar el buque en que llegaba el obispo
+--- 21932513
+>>21931002 (OP)
+Only one enemy remained; two if you counted God.
+--- 21932530
+>>21931002 (OP)
+It was the best of times, it was the blurst of times.
+--- 21932650
+>>21931534
+No man is an island entire of itself
+--- 21932678
+In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. 
+Simple as
+--- 21932748
+>>21932678
+citation needed
+
+mr simple as, you vapid bimbo cunt
+--- 21932755
+>>21931397
+kys
+--- 21932799
+>>21931002 (OP)
+Someone must have been spreading lies about Joseph K…
+--- 21932919
+>>21931397
+It’s infuriating how unparalleled it is
+--- 21933279
+According to all known laws of aviation, there is no way a bee should be able to fly. It's wings are too small to get its fat little body off the ground.
+--- 21933417
+>>21931002 (OP)
+>It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity
+--- 21934250
+"I don't know... why don't you ask God... Oh yeah he doesn't exist"
+--- 21934265
+>>21931918
+What's this?
+--- 21934275
+I am a sick man. I am a spiteful man. I am an unattractive man. I believe my liver is diseased.
+--- 21934277
+>>21931002 (OP)
+Once upon a time and a very good time it was there was a moocow coming down along the road and this moocow that was coming down along the road met a nicens little boy named baby tuckoo.
+--- 21934278
+>>21934275
+wanted to post this. at this point i know it by heart
+--- 21934295
+>>21931002 (OP)
+>For a period of several weeks in 1966, Kaczynski experienced intense sexual fantasies of being female and decided to undergo gender transition. He arranged to meet with a psychiatrist, but changed his mind in the waiting room and did not disclose his reason for making the appointment. Afterwards, enraged, he considered killing the psychiatrist and other people whom he hated. Kaczynski described this episode as a "major turning point" in his life: "I felt disgusted about what my uncontrolled sexual cravings had almost led me to do. And I felt humiliated, and I violently hated the psychiatrist. Just then there came a major turning point in my life. Like a Phoenix, I burst from the ashes of my despair to a glorious new hope."
+--- 21934341
+>>21931002 (OP)
+>“In a hole in the ground there lived a hobbit. Not a nasty, dirty, wet hole, filled with the ends of worms and an oozy smell, nor yet a dry, bare, sandy hole with nothing in it to sit down on or to eat: it was a hobbit-hole, and that means comfort.” 
+Hell, the first chapter alone makes the reader want to read the whole book.
+>“By some curious chance one morning long ago in the quiet of the world, when there was less noise and more green, and the hobbits were still numerous and prosperous, and Bilbo Baggins was standing at his door after breakfast smoking an enormous long wooden pipe that nearly reached down to his woolly toes (neatly brushed) – Gandalf came by. All that the unsuspecting Bilbo saw that morning was an old man with a staff. He had a tall pointed blue hat, a long grey cloak, a silver scarf over which his long white beard hung down below his waist, and immense black boots. “Good Morning!” said Bilbo. And he meant it. The sun was shining, and the grass was very green. But Gandalf looked at him from under long bushy eyebrows that stuck out further than the brim of his shady hat."
+It's a masterful use of language and also subtle intrigue. It doesn't tell you outright who Gandalf or Bilbo are, where are they, or what a hobbit is, yet the writing assumes you know all this and you want to keep reading to find out. It's mysterious and comfy all at once.
+--- 21934355
+>>21931002 (OP)
+--- 21934363
+"There is but one truly serious philosophical problem, and that
+is suicide."
+--- 21934395
+>>21934363
+From which book is this?
+From what I can search, it is Camus?
+By the way, what should I read from Camus as someone who has already read some philosophical books
+--- 21934433
+>>21931350
+>>21931023
+While "Call me Ishmael." is a fantastic first sentence, it's one of the few instances where I actually prefer a translation. In the most common German translation it is "Nenn mich meinethalben Ishmael."
+"Meinethalben" roughly translates to "as far as I'm concerned" or "if you care". I don't know why it is translated that way, as "meinethalben" really isn't needed at all here. It could just be translated as "Nenn mich Ishmael." But I like the layer of arbitrarity it adds without actually tinkering with the (apparent) intention of the original.
+--- 21934448
+>>21934295
+Got MK Ultra'd pretty hard at Harvard

lit/21931098.txt

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+-----
+--- 21931098
+Post authurs who's prose is just as good as they're pottery
+--- 21931102
+>>21931098 (OP)
+The most literate woman book enjoyer
+--- 21931104
+I'm greatly enjoying this meme.
+--- 21931110
+>>21931104
+The Belly Ajar isnt meme, its the good work of a good bookist. She really understanded the hard thing about the life and made words to limn the impending oven,,,
+--- 21931121
+Even when women like a female author, it has to be a thin reasonably attractive woman with lots of pictures of her looking striking, like Lispector or Plath. Only "alternative" Jewish art hoe girls make a show of liking cuboidic dyke pigs like Willa Cather, and then it's just as performative and just as much of a statement, closely related to their not shaving their armpits. Normie twitter girls need their vaginal hivemind book club of the month author to be a pretty girl like them, for dark academia selfie reasons. They wouldn't know who Plath or Lispector or Tartt were unless they had seen lots of pictures of them dark academia-staring at the camera and allowed an "I want to be like herrrr!" emotional commitment build up in their pea brains first. Women aren't reading The Bell Jar, they are reading Sylvia Plath, via The Bell Jar, which is itself really just a sublimated form of imagining themselves looking cute in selfies they're going to take later.
+--- 21931135
+>>21931121
+kekles, women truly are pathetic
+--- 21931136
+>>21931110
+Newfag
+--- 21932463
+Based
+--- 21933027
+>>21931098 (OP)
+weird request anon, but here you go
+--- 21933079
+>>21931098 (OP)
+Dylan Thomas.
+No one believes me but he has 
+a book of short stories that's... 
+MWAH! Creme de la CREME 
+of spooky, creepy & endearing, comfy...
+Near mythological in abstraction 
+but intimate & *personal* in attention to everyday detail
+stories.
+
+The man, in that one singley book at least, 
+could make a spoon sitting next to a cup of coffee
+seem like the perfect symbol of the 
+entire endeavors of the human condition.
+
+It was the first book, the first encounter I had with Thomas and so sticks with me 
+and I only much later learned that his pottery was...
+pretty crap and that no one at all liked it. At all.
+Still, I can remember laying on
+ the floor of my parents home, 
+late at night, (they were away 
+and I was house-sitting for them),
+drinking up all their booze in posh isolation
+ and being completely 
+*transported*.
+
+Etc etc
+Yeah so:
+ despite what you "know", 
+Dylan has at least one 
+amazing book 
+of prose 
+other the rubbish. 
+
+And nobody knows about it 
+but me, apparently. Hahaha!
+(Which I'm 100% okay with.)

lit/21931132.txt

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+-----
+--- 21931132
+"Last Train To Dystopia" edition
+
+Previous thread:
+>>21920117 →
+
+/wg/ AUTHORS & FLASH FICTION: https://pastebin.com/ruwQj7xQ
+RESOURCES & RECOMMENDATIONS: https://pastebin.com/nFxdiQvC
+
+Please limit excerpts to one post.
+Give advice as much as you receive it to the best of your ability.
+Follow prompts made below and discuss written works for practice; contribute and you shall receive.
+If you have not performed a cursory proofread, do not expect to be treated kindly. Edit your work for spelling and grammar before posting.
+Violent shills, relentless shill-spammers, and grounds keeping prose, should be ignored and reported.
+
+Simple guides on writing:
+>https://youtu.be/pHdzv1NfZRM [Embed]
+>https://youtu.be/whPnobbck9s [Embed]
+>https://youtu.be/YAKcbvioxFk [Embed]
+
+Thread theme:
+>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_H4b7-eZNM [Embed]
+--- 21931134
+>>21931049 →
+Wait, what? But isn't slavery in some shape kind of staple of fantasy? Most of the traditionally published books, even YA, that I've read have had slavery or even had the protagonist themselves be a slave at some point. Did yours have to do with real world races?
+--- 21931157
+You did write your 2000 daily words today, right /wg/?
+--- 21931161
+>>21931157
+Motherfucker, the day just started.
+--- 21931177
+>>21931157
+Try 250. It takes me so long to compose a few sentences because I want my writing to be poetically satisfying as well, so I take a while before figuring out exactly what word to pick. On the plus side I rarely need to revise very much, but it’s so slow producing a draft.
+--- 21931199
+>>21931161
+Seeking more writers for a collaborative Choose Your Own Adventure book "PANKRATION". Currently have about 5 of us but we would like to have 15 writers total. We are expecting to start the work on it in about a week so it's a great time to check it out if you're interested in contributing to one of the writing phases.
+
+Detailed Overview: https://pastebin.com/eD8k5FbV
+Example CYOA Flowchart: https://imgur.com/a/6CF5Olu
+
+If you're interested please join this discord and @Ogden Nesmer who is the project lead in order to volunteer/ask any questions I can't answer: https://discord.gg/44mZv9wC
+--- 21931202
+>>21931157
+Buzz off, demotivational failed-crab.
+Not everyone is a shut-in NEET parasite like you.
+There’s something about knowing you’re useless that eats away at the human spirit...isn't there?
+--- 21931219
+>>21931132 (OP)
+Any literary agents ITT? I can offer you the next big fantasy series that will take the world by storm.
+--- 21931248
+>>21931219
+Is it a YA romance with at least one trans character?
+--- 21931263
+>>21931219
+
+>Typically, publishing houses look for at least 50,000 followers across all platforms. If you have 50,000 email subscribers, you’re in.
+
+>An email list is the best thing you can build, but if you have 20,000 followers on Instagram, 10,000 on Twitter, and 20,000 on Facebook, that will also work.
+
+>I’ve acquired clients with lower numbers, but it’s because their book stood out as so completely amazing that it had to be in the market. I have a good gut instinct about a great project, and publishers fought over those books.
+
+>Interestingly, when I was pitching some great, high-concept children’s lit to a couple of houses, the publishers said, “She only has 20,000 Instagram followers.”
+--- 21931277
+anyone need a cheap editor for their book? my roommate's cats are getting us evicted
+--- 21931289
+>>21931277
+what do you charge? examples of past work?
+--- 21931291
+>>21931277
+You think any of us can afford even $300?
+--- 21931310
+>>21931289
+$200 plus tips. It's low because I have money from crypto and don't need to work that much. 
+
+I punched up the upcoming Cold War novel "The Nuclear Snafu," published over 15 gaming articles, and wrote a well-reviewed spec script. Also did a lot of ghostwriting for AK Cooper Elliot
+
+matthewg42 on fiverr. I can answer any writing questions for free
+--- 21931319
+>>21931248
+I love reading and writing YA romance
+--- 21931349
+>>21931263
+I know someone who had their mediocre book published with a total following of slightly over 5,000.
+--- 21931353
+>>21931263
+This is absolute nonsense.
+--- 21931369
+>>21931263
+Going to be honest, I don't see how an agent would be useful for someone who has 50k+ followers that are entirely following that person due to their writing. Everyone with a brain monetizes their writing at that point. Getting an agent and giving that up seems pointless. The only exception I could see is if you are reformating your older, collected works into a book and then just getting free money that way.
+--- 21931426
+If you’re writing genre shit you should probably just KYS.
+--- 21931428
+>>21931426
+All fiction is in essence genre shit.
+--- 21931436
+>>21931426
+If you're not writing genre shit you're not going to make it
+--- 21931437
+>>21931428
+Sounds like you should KYS.
+--- 21931444
+>>21931349
+What kind of book was it?
+--- 21931451
+>>21931202
+Lol. Hit a little close to home for you, didn’t I? Maybe you should work on not being so easily triggered.
+--- 21931471
+>>21931263
+You or whoever you're quoting and the publisher must be really shit at the jobs. There are best selling authors who don't have 50,000 followers or are even on social media. Having a platform is a plus, but the only time I've heard it listed as a requirement is for nonfiction.
+--- 21931473
+Is it even possible to still be trad published without a social media following?
+
+Anyways, do any anons here have that one link that lists a bunch of fantasy/sff magazines that pay for successful submissions?
+--- 21931474
+How do you guys deal with fear of being critiqued? Just thinking about sending my novel to a stranger I'm paying online makes me feel like I'm going to have a heart attack.
+--- 21931477
+>>21931474
+You simply endure it.
+--- 21931480
+>>21931444
+A sort of coming of age novel. Not YA. Think girl in her early 20's suddenly growing a brain.
+--- 21931481
+>>21931471
+If I had 50k followers I'll just independently publish. But I would like to see my book at a bookstore. I wonder how that works
+--- 21931483
+>>21931474
+I sleep on it. Usually by then my nerves have steadied enough that I can be more objective than emotional.
+--- 21931487
+>>21931474
+Alcohol. Not kidding. Just two glasses of wine, mind you, nothing problematic...
+--- 21931491
+>>21931474
+If you’re paying for it, then it should be more useful than any critique you’d get here. They’ll actually be constructive rather than shit on you relentlessly without offering suggestions. Most of the people here are children who think “tough but fair” is an excuse to be insulting (and forget the fair part.)
+--- 21931495
+>>21931474
+years of posting stuff on 4chan to no response whatsoever has conditioned me to be appreciative of any kind of emotional resonance with a reader, even if it's negative
+--- 21931643
+>>21931437
+>him
+>writes genreshit
+>you
+>writes nothing
+I think he beats you
+--- 21931678
+>>21931263
+>me, reading this comment as someone with 0 social media presence because it is a societal cancer and I'd rather be writing or editing than coming up with "content" to post to twitgram
+my soul briefly left my body
+--- 21931684
+>>21931678
+That post is probably on the extreme side but at the very least every writing agent will ask you for a comprehensive social media strategy (which you are expected to implement yourself).
+--- 21931687
+>>21931263
+>>21931684
+>>21931678
+--- 21931689
+>>21931678
+>how can I possibly make 30 year old jewish women in new york like my postmodern novel about a man falling in love with a woman in a country where nobody reads and blacks riot every week
+The perennial question of all authors
+--- 21931698
+>>21931689
+maybe i could become a serial killer and write novels in prison. people love the zodiac killer and hannibal. agents have heard about follower counts but wait until they hear about body counts.
+--- 21931729
+>>21931687
+I wrote a YA romance but I have 0 social media. I'm generally afraid of interacting with people and avoid doing so as much as possibIe. I wish I could hire someone to be the front while I ghost write everything for them.
+--- 21931732
+Is writing about romance impossible if you haven't experienced a lot of it?
+--- 21931734
+>>21931729
+There's always self publishing. If you're popular enough you'd be able to skip most of the hoops unknown authors have to jump
+--- 21931738
+>>21931643
+Lol. You say this now, but then you’ll eagerly shit on anyone who writes something involving elves and orcs. You’re just being a contrarian little faggot.
+--- 21931739
+>>21931732
+Not at all, in some cases it makes it more interesting. Mishima for example.
+--- 21931741
+>>21931732
+Read a lot of romance. You'll pick up the tropes you need to authentically write it, regardless of if you've ever felt it yourself.
+--- 21931788
+>>21931732
+Writing romance is unironically about quantity over quality. As long as you know the tropes and trends, you can churn it out.
+--- 21931810
+>>21931132 (OP)
+Questions for this teenage cesspool: 
+
+>Do you write in past tense or present tense? Why or why not? 
+
+>Do you end sentences in adjectives? 
+
+>Does your work assert a thesis? Why or why not? 
+
+>Is your work properly formatted in a manuscript? Why or why not? 
+
+>Do you know what a properly formatted manuscript is? Why or why not? 
+
+>Is your work literature, or is it pulp fiction? Why or why not? 
+
+>Why do you come to chan for writing help? Seriously, there’s a million and one resources for writing.
+--- 21931817
+>>21931810
+I had to apply styles to a manuscript in order to print it in book format and I almost died. Word processors are so bloody fucking bloated with useless crap and yet something that should be standard is so roundabout to access.
+--- 21931829
+>>21931817
+Pages is unironically the best for manuscripts
+--- 21931830
+>>21931810
+>past tense. its easier and gives the implication that my story already happened in history
+
+>i dont know, i dont care
+
+>yes, because im a genius
+
+>i dont know what a manuscript means
+
+>no. i just write
+
+>literature. i have interesting perspectives 
+
+>i want to help others
+--- 21931837
+>>21931830
+then you are not a disciplined writer
+--- 21931839
+>>21931830
+>I just want to help others
+But please, capitalize your is
+--- 21931844
+>>21931810
+>Why do you come to chan for writing help? Seriously, there’s a million and one resources for writing
+Lmao what kind of glowie shit is this
+What kind of rhetoric are you trying to hold?
+Why would you discourage discussion and people trying to uplift each other?
+Seething tradpub plant
+--- 21931856
+>>21931810
+>Why do you come to chan for writing help? Seriously, there’s a million and one resources for writing.
+I did try reddit before, but I fucking hate reddit. It's size and formatting makes it very easy to end up lost in the waves. Here, I post in the thread, and I know that everyone who is in this thread has a good chance of seeing what I put out and I am going to get honest replies. 
+Sure, sometimes those honest replies are calling me a faggot, but at least I am getting something, and the lack of replies is more likely because people didn't feel the need to reply, and not because 200 other people posted 3 seconds after I did.
+--- 21931859
+>>21931810
+>Does your work assert a thesis?
+no, I'm writing a novel, not a 5 paragraph essay for Mrs. Bumblefucks 10th grade english class
+--- 21931860
+>>21931741
+>usage of tropes that you don't understand leads to authenticity
+dios mio...
+--- 21931868
+>>21931860
+>implying romance novels are authentic
+--- 21931871
+>>21931860
+romance is inherently romantic. realism is opposed to romanticism
+--- 21931875
+>>21931844
+Imagine thinking glowies are upending your little junior high writing circle. I’m sure the CIA and CISA are suuuuper interested in your smash bros fan fiction you dumb /pol/infested nigger
+
+>>21931859
+then it’s not a very good novel anon and would be considered pulp fiction ie a dime store pennyback, maybe you can get a job ghost writing 3rd grade readers about fairies
+--- 21931886
+>>21931868
+I got a collection of short stories published in the 1920s and in the romance section it had Youth bt Joseph Conrad 
+it contained no women at all and was simply a man's view of his youth as a sailor. I doubt the love for one's youth and the fool hardiness of being a young man was inauthentic. the contemporary standard for the genre doesn't define what romance means
+>>21931871
+authenticity to ones romantic views rather than to reality is what matters for romance
+in both cases it doesn't make sense to be derivative
+unless your goal is to turn your writing into waging, in which case personal experience, perspective and authenticity doesn't matter
+--- 21931891
+>>21931875
+>then it’s not a very good novel anon
+What is Infinite Jest's thesis?
+inb4 Infinite Jest isn't a good novel. I agree, but not because it doesn't assert a thesis. I mean really, a thesis? Are you 12 years old?
+--- 21931894
+>>21931886
+Bro at first I thought you were saying that you're over a century old
+--- 21931897
+>>21931886
+>in both cases it doesn't make sense to be derivative
+tell that to all the middle aged women selling all those stacks and stacks and stacks of romance books to all those other middle aged women
+--- 21931900
+>>21931891
+I googled “infinite jest thesis” and this was the first result. each attempt at arguing the presence of thesis in literature, and it’s absence in pulp fiction, I will link the next subsequent search result 
+
+https://www.thehowlingfantods.com/thesisb.htm
+--- 21931905
+>>21931900
+Kek
+--- 21931908
+>>21931886
+Those stories may have been appropriately labeled back then, but if you bring that to a publisher or agent as a romance today you'd get laughed out the door. Even if you don't care about that yourself, other people do. The contemporary standard for the genre absolutely defines what it means, definitions change over time.
+--- 21931919
+>someone introduced the validity of labels and whether genre limits the potential of creativity
+Aw fuck, here we go again
+--- 21931925
+Nobody gives a fuck if you want to write something different from the norm, you're just foolish for putting a label on it that other people won't understand.
+--- 21931933
+>>21931856
+I get banned from reddit after arguing my english degree’s curriculum to their layman’s understanding of basic prose. similar to what happens here but lol you can’t ban just call me a faggot which is actually a healthier way of maintaining dialogue, ironically
+--- 21931941
+>>21931925
+>write a story about love
+>wtf why isn't there kidnapping and sex trafficking how is this romance
+--- 21931952
+let them have their peace.
+
+"you don't think there's any chance of redemption?"
+
+no. no i don't think there is. and for the folks who do, they still can't help the situation they're in. the situation they're drawn to-- the situation they've made for themselves. they won't listen. listen- i've seen a lot of stuff. i've heard a lot of stuff. crazy stuff. stuff you wouldn't even think is crazy if you didn't know what we both knew. if you didn't have the map or the key or whatever you wanna call it-- i've seen a lot of stuff out there and i can tell you-- folks are happier in this kind of imprisonment. they don't wish to be freed. you get that? you can offer it to 'em on a silver platter, hell, young folks, folks young enough to make a real change in their life--they don't want it. you'd be better off sticking to yourself and living in a bunker. just waiting for hell to freeze over.
+
+"which one is the real you? the one who knows who they are? or the one who wants to make a connection? the one who likes other people?"
+
+it went on and on like this, endlessly in circles
+
+me and them, passing the pipe, on the porch, me always skeptical of their ideas, them always in perfect confidence. i started to get the feeling that listening to them would set me on a path i could not stop. i thought that must have been how they ended up the way they were. not just doing what they said, but actually just listening-- that internalizing it would manifest this vision of reality itself, and there would be no proveable way to say otherwise, and once you were in, you were in.
+--- 21931955
+>>21931952
+i thought that i was scared, but i could not help listening to their ideas, for i found them so fascinating. as i said, i was a student of mathematics and, at best, an amateur at boolean mathematics.
+
+"it's about how you interact with the outside world" they croaked. i tersely massaged my right thigh and felt my legs enter a kind-of unconscious defense position. they continued. "have you ever been in a conversation with a woman? about politics or about art or about anything? i suspect if you have, you've undoubtedly began to, over time, and certainly without meaning to, as these benefits of these doubts are all but afforded to a nice boy like yourself-"
+
+my leg was bouncing up and down now, feet tense and tiptoe, heel to the air. i began to interrupt, and to abade any further this path of logic--
+
+"sure, sure, but...where does this all lead?"
+
+they smiled and emptied a thumbful of tobacco.
+
+"that," they cleared their throat. "is something not even i could show you."
+
+the next several days at the homestead were fairly light play. i made sure to properly ingratiate myself in all the proper social moores of their community-- all pronouns and all monikers considered. i learned that Izzy was a paranoid schizophrenic, and that Zed was a, as she described it, "narcissist". She said this as if to create the impression she had it under control. Zed taught me many, many things. She says that magic is real. She says that we are all descended from a single feminine diety, and that the Y chromosome in a fungal infection, and likened it to real fungus. To say the truth, in my estimation, Zed seemed like more of a paranoid schizophrenic, and Izzy the narcissist. But i kept this to myself
+
+But they were fascinated with my ideas. I told them that many things are propaganda, and there is a form of good propaganda. Zed looked like she could have killed me. "But how can propaganda be good? It's black magic. It's the destruction of reality." I told her that all forms of reality are forms of propaganda, and that our nature to this conflict is native as soil to Earth. We went back and forth like that, me and her, until Them ushered her forth toward the back of the home, into the computer room.
+--- 21931959
+>>21931955
+They had antique and arcane systems of organization. Early in the morning I awoke to find Izzy pacing back and forth around the living room, picking up one book and stacking it the other way across the room, disappearing behind a corner and picking another and rearranging the whole stack and taking it to another room, this whole process repeating ad infitum. I whispered. "What are you doing?" Izzy only muttered to herself and I fell back into sleep.
+
+It was in these quiet moments- that Them relayed details of our project. Emboldening us through archetypal speech and cryptic wordplay. I felt as though Izzy seemed calmer when Them was around. As if she felt more comfortable in their control. But i could not tell if this was their ideas taking root in my mind. The imp themself, manifesting this reality, with no one to contest it.
+
+Upon one side of the server room, were what they introduced me to as "The Wall." One wall was covered top to bottom with smartphones, connected by a large tangle of cords, each displaying a constant stream of live cultural ephemera, all happening in real time. Them told me, "it is important we stay connected to the plot. these narratives, each happening in real-time." They said this is important. The wall is never off. It keeps running, and displaying this information ad nauseum, day and night. On one of the phones, i glanced at an older black woman dancing with her child.
+--- 21931965
+>>21931959
+I pulled the doorhandle and stepped out into the cool air and steadied myself against the elements. As i kept walking out from the homestead and as the fridge buzz disappeared into sounds of traffic and of air, I began to realize how far away everything seemed from our project. A homeless-looking man stopped me and asked if i had a dollar and i gave him one.
+
+Them was having me make another run of food for Izzy. In the market, i found a pack of toilet paper and fresh eggplant, which was requested by Izzy. Izzy was very concerned with her gut health around this time.
+
+And weeks went by like this. They cleaned like a platoon. And i made dry runs for food and supplies, using the money we had scraped together from our various micro-projects, which always lay at the feet of our larger project. One such micro-project, was a simple clicker farm. Zed had designed it. Folks would link their bitcoin or monero wallets and click the button, which would cost .0000000012 XMR per click, which would go directly to Zed's wallet. And that was it. Whether for curiosity or demonstration, folks, apparently, would click the button. And we saved enough money from this to buy enough supply for Izzy's strange eating habits, and for the rest of our food.
+
+This, Them had assured me, was another form of propaganda, still. I wasn't sure whether i was perplexed or impressed. I knew they were right, and that Zed's clicker farm was indeed a form of propaganda, whether she knew it or not, and that Zed, whether she knew it or not, had mobilized a kind of, "curiosity toward spectacle" to her own advantage. And above all, i knew that They could see this better than the rest of them could. I knew that they were the devil.
+
+Late in the night, during one of their programming binges, i had a talk with Zed. I asked her if she knew about hermeticism and she nodded. "i do." , she said. She told me that hermeticism is alchemy and i asked her what she meant and she told me that hermeticism is a kind of understanding of the alchemical processes of the self. I asked her if she thinks Them is a practitioner of hermeticism. She said she does not know.
+--- 21931966
+>>21931829
+What is that? I'm on libreoffice, so if that's a feature in micro$hit word I don't know.
+--- 21931970
+>>21931965
+sometimes i feel as though nothing could make me happy
+
+I am rushed away by Zed and she sits down crosslegged in her room and tells me to do the same. she tells me that i am scared to look inward, and i agree with her, out of curiosity and because i believe she may be right. Later, on the porch, again, while everyone is asleep Them tells me that the point of life is not to be happy. i agree with Them, too. Them tells me that the point of life is to create and to destroy, to destroy and to be created, and that happiness is only a byproduct of these cycles. Them tells me that i should be grateful for happiness in the moments i have it. My leg, bouncing up and down in the night, Them telling me these things as the others rest, as if only i am to hear them.
+
+I ask Izzy if she is happy. She shrugs and tells me that sometimes she is. She tells me that she is scared sometimes, and that playing music calms her down. Izzy plugs her MIDI controller into her computer, and gives me her set of headphones and i put them on. She plays in strange keys i do not recognize, she is playing music with the default piano sound from her daw. Izzy plays beautifully, like a classically trained musician.
+
+I had a dream about Zed. I am sitting next to her in the computer room and she disappears to her room and i follow her and she is undressing and lets me stay. she tells me to stop looking at her and gets increasingly angry with me. She tells me i must eat a red m&m off of the floor and i understand this to mean green. i eat it and immediately the m&m turns to some frothy, white mixture and i feel disgusted and violated and i wake up. I try to shake of this feeling, some synthesis of guilt and violation. I know that our project is coming closer to reality.
+--- 21931971
+What is so wrong with writing pulp fiction?
+--- 21931974
+>>21931970
+I sputtered awake to the sounds of yelling and loud music. I am spun around by the various housedwellers of the home and i am told that Them needs to be driven somewhere, far outside of town. I understand, and as i have been the main jockey of the group, i rub my eyes awake and tell them i will do so. Zed tells me to go wait in the car and Them will be there shortly. I walk outside and it's snowing. I take a step and feel sick again, as the snow is powder, and forms around my footsteps like the frothy mixture in the dream.
+
+I get the car warmed up and Them approaches and sits down in the passenger side. They beam a set of coordinates to my phone and i could see that it was less than 45 minutes from our current location and i began this ride with Them. Them was quiet and bundled, wearing a blanket over their head, and made no sound except to ask for a lighter or to cough loudly, and hack up what sounded like much phlegm. We are fastly leaving the town, and nearby city, we are driving through Lehigh valley and approaching vast bodies of farmland. Them clears their throat once more and offers me something. "So," they said, "how do you feel about Zed?" I gripped the steering wheel, focusing on the road. "What do you mean?" I asked. "Do you like her?", they offered. "Sure." I said. "She's alright." They laughed and hacked and coughed. "Do you like her?", he asked me again. Me, my leg bouncing and focusing on the road. "I am not sure what you mean." I told him frankly. I could tell in these moments of evasiveness, somehow, it was clear to me that Them hated me. And when or if Izzy or Zed or anyone else ever did the same thing, to evade a question, especially a question pertaining to our primal nature, that Them hated it. That Them held no delineation between process or person, and that they, in that moment, truly hated the person evading the question. Hated like someone who would do murder. It was that kind of hatred I saw in their eyes in that moment.
+--- 21931978
+>>21931974
+But Them allowed the question to fall away and lighted another cigarette and I kept driving and they tell me to pull up and stop here, and we are stopped by what looks to be a trailer park, far outside of town. I stopped there and let Them out and they tell me they will be back soon and I put my feet up on the dashboard and wait for them to come back. I am confused about what They said to me on the way to this place because I understood that Izzy was Zed's girlfriend, although they often didn't act like it, at least to my eyes and best collection. I study the house that Them walked into and wonder what they are here for. If it was drugs, i couldn't fathom what kind. I wondered if Them was doing meth or speed. And Them appears from out of the house and walks back to my car and opens the door and sits down and we begin driving back. I ask what that was all about and they produce a small prescription bottle and lets me hold it and study it. There looked to be no less than 25 pills inside. I ask them what it is. "4-aco-MXE." they respond matter-of-factly, as if i should already know what it is. "What does it do?", I asked. They explains to me that it is a very, very powerful analogue of ketamine. They explains to me that it is in fact legal, as it is such a novel compound that no laws have been formed to legislate it. They describes all manner of otherworldly and magical concepts to me. They says it removes the barrier between you and the world of sensory information. They say this is extremely important for our goals. They say it lets you see things akin to precognition and talking to God. They tells me about God. They tells me that God is unknowable and genderless. They tell me that God is only manifest in terms of hierarchical order, and that God is ubermensch. They tell me that it is possible to ascend to Godhood in this life. They tell me that God is power. I only nod and listen as Them tells me these things. And soon Them switches the conversation back to Zed.
+--- 21931980
+>>21931966
+It’s the macOS and iOS word processor. it’s also free for all Apple devices so if you have an old iPod touch laying around, just open your text and format it in pages. libreoffice is really annoying with adding page numbers except the first page, which should have no number. for some reason libreoffice cannot into manuscripts
+--- 21931984
+>>21931978
+My leg is bouncing and my foot is trying impossibly to find a comfortable position and i am focused on the road as they speak. "Zed has been on HRT for three years." they tell me. "And once she was an A-cup, the HRT stopped growing her any further. She is trapped in a state of extended kittenhood." They are trying to get a rise out of me. I can tell. "That is why I asked you if you liked her." Them loaded another cigarette. "Because she is trapped in a state of extended kittenhood, and this is why she is insane." I nod my head in understanding. I wondered what Zed would think of Them saying all this, and, as if Them were reading my mind, they responded again, "and she knows all of this by the way. she would even agree with me. Zed knows she is insane. She knows she is a kitten." I nod my head slowly, trying to suss out if this is some sort of test. "So i ask you again," Them continued, "what do you think of Zed?" "she's nice", i responded. They want to kill me in this moment. I can feel it and i can feel it in the grip of the steering wheel and the floor of the car as if this hatred were sending electrifying shocks through the metal of the car. "Everyone wants Zed," they continued, "And Zed is too smart for anyone. This is why she talks in circles. She is in a state of extended kittenhood and she is antisocial." They went on to explain what they meant by 'extended kittenhood', which i did not agree with. They said that Zed is like a child, with the mind of a child. They said that Zed is only attracted to people who are like the same, and that Izzy has no understanding of these things. Them makes their relationship seem predatory, without using language that would indicate this intent. "This is the nature of all relationships." They said. "The nature of predator and prey. We long to be hunted. Don't you see this by now?" I only nod and let them speak and soon we are back at the homestead and everything returns to normal.
+--- 21931988
+>>21931971
+nothing. it’s just best to know the difference. the best selling books, which are actually children’s books and elementary school readers, are all pulp fiction
+--- 21931991
+>>21931984
+*Them says that Zed is part of a tulpa, that Zed created a tulpa to be able to interact with the world of technology. Them explains that Zed is happier within this world of technology. Them tells me that Zed has a feminine connection to technology.
+--- 21931994
+>>21931991
+Them gave each of us a pill-capsule and we each took it, sitting crosslegged on the floor and waited. As the pill capsule was digested through my stomach and aired through my skin and i breathed heavy, and i could feel my vision of reality begin to fractalize, i looked around at the home and i could see that it was divided into several parts, and i could see that each part of the home was divided into several parts and i could begin to see the delineations of territory between Izzy, Zed, and their parts of the house. and it was no sooner that i saw this that They grabbed my head and gently turned it toward the Wall, and told me to look, and i began to understand why this drug was so important to our project. Waves of cultural ephemera and narrative understanding seized my mind and i could feel the live chatter of all beings at once. i could feel something come out of the top of my head and i clutched my head and stood up and made moves that indicated powerlessness within my own mind, and They told me to look at them, to look at them now, to gaze into their mind, and i could not help but follow their command, now helpless in this state, wondering to God what i had just done to my mind, and They raped my mind, until my soul returned to my body and i found myself in the fetal position, clutching myself, muttering schizophrenic nonsense. And all this happened in the span of less than 25 minutes and Them told me how necessary this was, and i asked them what they just did to me. "I didn't do anything to you. This was your own mind. This is the closest two people can come to one another. And look, still how unknowable it is. What mystery there is for you to ask the question. This is why there is only Self. This is why you want to be the one holding the gun." I stayed there in the fetal position, until i could notice that They were gone and i got up and tried to find Zed.
+--- 21931997
+>>21931994
+I woke up Zed and i told her that i wanted to leave this place, to leave this place forever and that i believed Them to be the Devil. i tried to articulate what had just happened to me and i could not, but Zed told me she wanted the same but that she would not leave without Izzy. She told me i should leave immediately and to meet her at a place on the beach, near the theme park, and i left her and pulled the door-handle and stepped out into cool mist of snowy air.
+--- 21932003
+USE PASTEBIN
+--- 21932004
+>>21931994
+Either move to pastebin or keep it short. Nobody here is going to look over ten thousand words about tulpas and trannies or whatever this is.
+--- 21932007
+>Please limit excerpts to one post.
+can nobody read?
+--- 21932015
+>>21932007
+Idiot
+--- 21932019
+>>21931980
+Don't I know it. I gave up on adding page numbers at all. Thanks, I have a macbook pro someone gave me that sits around unused.
+--- 21932021
+>>21931997
+I waited at this kitsch place for hours, and tried to find a place to charge my phone but there was none, and so i just waited there, not wanting to leave this kitsch restaurant and miss my rendezvous with Zed. I studied the neon on the walls, only taking in the vestigial impression of light and sound around me. I twiddled my feet and legs and felt unable to remain still until I saw Zed walk in and she was in tears and seemed frantic and i asked her what happened and she collapsed into my arms and said that Izzy would not come with her, that she was still under Their control. I held her and tried to calm her down and we both sat down at the booth, both of us in some form of resignation. I found a place to charge my phone.
+
+At sunset, we sat on the beach and watched the sun stretch on endlessly, in that neon pacific northwest fashion, as if the sun itself followed the lead of the neon impressionism around us. We were approached by a group of neo-hippies, who offered us weed and we partook. One of them, a slight bearded man, said, "now is the time for liberation. Liberation of the self. Whatever you guys have been into, I can tell you, you have to find your own form of creative liberty. That's the only way, man." Someone queued a rave dance track on a bluetooth speaker. They wore blue and green face paint which glowed in the dark. The sun started to set.
+
+That neon sun, stretching on endlessly. Me and Zed, dancing with these feral people. Between dancing and these neo-hippies' orgiastic beachside festivities i checked my phone. I can still see Them, I know they're out there, I can see Their fingerprints on every piece of cultural ephemera.
+
+Fin.
+
+>>21932004
+my b
+https://hyrummiller.substack.com/p/short-story-01
+--- 21932023
+>>21932015
+what?
+--- 21932026
+>>21931952
+This isn't even edited for punctuation. Pass. It's shit.
+--- 21932028
+>>21932023
+Just host long posts off site or in an image so you don't flood the thread
+People will still read it
+--- 21932054
+The state of the art of many branches of scientific psychology, the most relevant to the story being social psychology, are working with the notion that there are two extremes to mental processes: automaticity and control. 
+The reason for that is that around 2000 many theories were formulated as a culmination of the scientific work of many years prior, which started from Amos Tversky and Daniel Kahneman's research program on heuristics and biases in the late 1970s and many examples of which are readily found looking up "automaticity and control" on google scholar. 
+
+Automatic processes are characterized by four qualities, which here should be taken without the usually associated positive connotation of the word:
+they are efficient, which is important because we have a limited amount of cognitive resources and it's paramount that we be able to allocate them towards what's useful and not towards what is not;
+they are unaware, meaning that you can't know that process is occurring, in much the same way as you're not aware of the universe continuously expanding;
+unintentional, meaning you can't choose when to start one, and
+uncontrollable, meaning you can't actively stop one such process between when it starts and when it naturally reaches the end of its course. 
+Controlled processes are the opposite.
+There are many interesting ways in which to apply this knowledge to the real world, all made maybe less spicy but much sweeter by the fact that we weren't involved in the multi-disciplinary reverse engineering process that this description stemmed from.
+One such thing is forgetting to pick up something you don't usually carry with you when you get out of the house in a hurry; when you're in a hurry and you're stressed out you don't have as much cognitive resources at your disposal as you do when you're relaxed (and you know you'll arrive early even if there's some serious traffic along the way), so the controlled process that is you thinking of whatever you need to have wherever you need to go can't happen, and the automatic process of you getting out of the house like you do every morning happens.
+That's good, because it means you can function under stress, and you do function under stress, but it's also bad, because it means that the guest of honor will receive that $55 bottle of wine the day after her birthday.
+It's paramount to know, if you're looking to apply this concept to real life, that there are conditions under which automatic processes activate, and conditions under which controlled processes generally have the upper hand.
+One of them we mentioned already: cognitive load; the more attention you're paying to something, the less you'll be able to start a controlled process.
+The other good one is motivation.
+If you're not motivated to do something your brain will keep running in power saving mode, and automatic processes will run everything backstage.
+
+This is how, today, a german made an effort to scam me out of $220, and I let him do it.
+--- 21932074
+>>21931875
+NTA, but every major book of the last half century (i.e. has sold a million copies) does not have a thesis. Any thesis found is post hoc, or relegated to very specific areas of non-fiction (think self-help, business, etc.)
+--- 21932077
+>>21932074
+Yes and that’s why we call it pulp fiction
+--- 21932078
+>>21932054
+The manifestation of too much time thinking about the flow of prose and not the flow of story telling 
+Well written but I only finished it because I read the ending after checking out. I'm not giving a full analysis but I enjoyed the moment to moment sentence structure. It's cheeky and reflects subject matter 
+Please structure your story telling and subject matter differently
+--- 21932091
+I'm back today, anons. Tightened up the middle through the end (got rid of some passive voice), reframing my central theme while also loosening the reins a bit to let my own voice out. Hope I didn't go too loose. I read a lot of Gothic and I know my prose can tend towards purple. 
+https://pastebin.com/VkgTSTPr
+--- 21932092
+>>21932054
+>This is how, today, a german made an effort to scam me out of $220, and I let him do it.
+I skimmed the rest of it after getting to this part. I laughed out loud when I saw that this all led to such a mundane statement. I don't mean that as an insult by the way, I think it is an effective set up and punchline. I could see this as a smooth talking smart character saying this while filing a police report or explaining to a friend how he isn't actually stupid for being scammed.
+--- 21932096
+>>21932077
+I think you misunderstand. I'd much rather be Tom Clancy or John Grisham than any person worshipped by /lit/. Likewise, I think most writers feel the same way, and ultimately even if they feel themselves above those authors, they want to be those authors.
+--- 21932118
+>>21932096
+that’s fine. write your pulp fiction. maybe make some money. tis the dream after all. but there is a difference in writers, those who exist now, and those who exist in the far flung future. if you intend to live forever, then your work must be literature, in italics, with the appropriate thesis. as it’s thesis which stands immovably polished in the erosion of time’s ocean. perhaps this immortality is uninteresting to you, and others. so please, continue writing your pulp fiction.
+
+I, personally, intend to live forever
+--- 21932174
+>>21932118
+Get your GED first, then come back here.
+--- 21932196
+>>21932174
+English grad actually and getting my masters in literature which makes me uniquely qualified to ramble and lecture to teenagers here AND work as a barista at your local starbucks
+--- 21932206
+Does writing genre fiction inherently make your book sell better? I’m thinking of writing a fantasy series.
+--- 21932228
+STOP RIGHT THERE. Your work does have a theme, right? Mind telling us what it is and why you're writing about it?
+--- 21932234
+>>21932206
+bloody hell. fantasy is oversaturated, agents turn it away. it has a low barrier to entry and every jagoff from the street can churn one out. 
+
+what they want is "upmarket bookclub fiction" which none of you shit for brains would ever be able to write.
+--- 21932254
+>>21932228
+Living a life like one is already dead
+The meaning of being alive
+The importance of non-expectation and letting go of resentment
+--- 21932272
+>>21932234
+>bored pseud tries to start fights instead of posting his work or critiquing 
+Bit worn out innit
+--- 21932285
+>>21932118
+tow examples off the top of my head, shakespeare and sir arthur conan doyle wrote pulp. pure pulp. and they will live forever. you will draw little designs on cups of coffee
+--- 21932291
+>>21932228
+The unending torture of sadomasochism and how it reflects human nature
+--- 21932302
+>>21932285
+Umm… Shakespeare definitely had a thesis. like lolwut. even Conan Doyle’s work is considered literature as it established noir conventions, which is still thesis 
+
+you guise DO know what thesis is, right?
+--- 21932315
+>>21932302
+retard
+--- 21932317
+>>21932315
+exemplary discussion of literature indeed 
+
+what a stalwart crew of educated scribes we have here
+--- 21932324
+>>21932302
+Retard
+--- 21932325
+>>21932317
+a barista with nothing published - let alone written - is even lower
+--- 21932342
+>>21932325
+insulting me doesn’t change the nature of literature or thesis my good anon. furthermore, I am published, which makes me even more qualified to shitpost in this schizo thread. like cmon one guy said SHAKESPEARE doesn’t have thesis like okay guys 
+
+maybe if I shared multiple posts of poor prose with no grammar or punctuation you’d take me more seriously
+--- 21932350
+>>21932342
+retard
+--- 21932359
+>>21932350
+exemplary discussion of literature indeed 
+
+what a stalwart crew of educated scribes we have here
+--- 21932382
+>>21932091
+Plot turn seems a bit trite. Story structure naturally suits this metaphorical intent. Gore and child bearing motifs. Shays the run down here? Don't tell me it's abortion. Leaves me with a general sentiment of O" K sure"
+Still, I enjoyed it. Nice romantic atmosphere. The second person recount is immediately interesting. You have a decent grasp on prose, though your sense of rhythm is kitsch and tacky. Not every thought needs a monadic cinch. Let ideas flow. Interweave
+--- 21932390
+>>21932234
+>upmarket bookclub fiction
+I don't even know what genre(s) that covers.
+--- 21932409
+>>21932196
+You will be another Harold Bloom.
+--- 21932415
+>>21932390
+romance, but written at an 8th grade level as opposed to 5th
+--- 21932547
+>>21932382
+>You have a decent grasp on prose, though your sense of rhythm is kitsch and tacky.
+Very helpful, thank you anon - I never read poetry so that probably shows. I can probably remedy this by reading it aloud a few times. 
+>Shays the run down here? Don't tell me it's abortion
+Assuming you meant "What's" here and rest assured it has nothing to do with abortion. Just basically exploring the idea that an overly religious upbringing and corporeal punishment (<eliminated from this version) can lead one to a life of sadomasochism and an inability to conceptualize love separate from violence and self-sacrifice. 
+Definitely wasn't going for a plot twist or anything so I'm ok with that but I would still like to make it less trite/cliche. 
+>Still, I enjoyed it. Nice romantic atmosphere. The second person recount is immediately interesting. 
+Thank you anon. Appreciate you taking your time.
+--- 21932585
+>>21932078
+>>21932092
+thanks for the feedback
+if you don't mind I'd like to understand better why you didn't find the part before the last line interesting enough by itself
+are you not interested in psychology, do you not find it reliable/trustworthy, did you not see the point in reading all that without a clear indicating of what it was leading to...?
+some details on that would be much appreciated
+--- 21932607
+>>21932585
+>did you not see the point in reading all that without a clear indicating of what it was leading to...?
+This is what it is to me. I thought it was some info-dump that would lead to something sci-fi or possibly noir and that just doesn't interest me.
+I don't think it is bad, but in stories that I read, when they start getting too far into their world for instance, I just skim past it and scroll back up if the next lines reference something that I should've read just above.
+It triggered memories of reading lit-RPGs and why I dislike them even if I do like at least one story in the genre.
+Now, if that is part of a story and I already have an attachment to it, I would read it all and it would enhance the joke, but devoid of it being about someone I care for, I just don't feel like spending the time.
+--- 21932950
+>>21932254
+--- 21933060
+I've reached a point in my story where the main character is being given a title for the ability to basically reshape flesh and either make new bodies, or transform people into a more idealized/younger form. Any suggestions for a name would be nice. Thus far Lifeshaper and Lifebringer are the first that came to my mind, but I don't particularly feel great about either of those. I'd like a single word that if someone without context heard, would have an idea of what he could do.
+--- 21933066
+>>21933060
+Jacques Vida de Leben
+"The Supplanter of Life"
+--- 21933098
+>>21932950
+Cool reply thanks
+--- 21933126
+Has anyone edited a book they already published?
+--- 21933290
+>>21931451
+You wish. I'm just sick of the crabs.
+Enjoy your delusions of relevance.
+--- 21933307
+>>21933060
+a title or a nickname? because Fleshshaper would be accurate, but not exactly positive. You could just go with Shaper.
+--- 21933319
+>>21932228
+>write a bunch of shit because it sounds cool
+>start to notice an accidental theme emerge
+>slightly adjust existing story to accommodate said theme better
+Be real with me, is this approaching hackfraud territory or no?
+--- 21933329
+>>21931480
+Oh, so it's a fantasy novel.
+--- 21933331
+>>21933307
+Title.
+Examples of other names for the same position are, Dust, someone whose searing beams burn people until all that is left is dust. Blackwall, whose defensive magic is a black covering over an object that eats away at attacks.
+Shifting, who has the ability to move magic that is known basically for the property of being static as it requires that the magic is set up beforehand and effects only that area.
+The person giving the name had a bit of a falling out over hiding information with the main character and I'm thinking of going with Changeling, which does have a negative connotation to it intentionally.
+>>21933319
+I did the same thing. I went into my story in part with the theme of not judging a book by its cover. Then I noticed as I wrote that I kept talking about free will and what really is a person, so those themes which I didn't originally intend to have are a part of my story now.
+What I'm starting to write now has me thinking about my world, because everyone is born equally talented with magic, but generally it is drive and a tinge of mental unwellness that separates people who can and can't really grow powerful. The other thing is that since magic has some physical component i.e you are burning calories and it makes you mentally tired, poor people, who technically could learn magic, really can't. This goes with the theme of free will, because while everyone technically can learn, they can be blocked by circumstances outside of their control such that free will is questionable. Now, from a cosmic sense, it is real, everyone has it, but from a more realistic sense, it isn't entirely real.
+>>21933329
+kek
+--- 21933342
+>>21933319
+Sounds like perfectly normal "discovery writing" to me.
+Go for it!
+--- 21933351
+I want to write a fantasy story based on a historical time-period from another country. I asked about this a while ago, because I am stuck on it. I want to tell this story but it also feels derivative if I'm just telling a similar story to the actual history. However, I'm not sure how to spin it so that it's more original and less a copy. Any suggestions?
+--- 21933392
+>>21933351
+>I want to write a dantsy story
+AAAAAIIIIEEE
+--- 21933500
+>>21933351
+Er, how about, learn what you can about that historical time period, then try to find an alternate explanation for what happened, something different than the conventional explanation.
+We call this a "twist".
+--- 21933513
+I walked to the store. There was magazines and visible condoms from the outside of the window. I looked inside to see who was the casheir today. I took a shopping cart and went to get some stuff to fill it up. I walked past the isle with the water and went to the isle with the monster energy drinks. Inside I found a hot munchies bag, usually they were sold out. I took my stuff to the casheir but I didnt really have enough to fill up the cart so I went back and got some water. I took my stuff and paid for it and left.
+--- 21933660
+Hey guys I made some touch ups and improvements as well as added a prologue to my story.
+I got some advice last time I posted and It really helped me think about some things, but I ended up keeping some things the same.
+
+Please give it a read and tell me what you like or dislike, what you think I could do better or just anything you noticed that I might have missed. It's supposed to be a Monster novel with mystery elements and some drama. It's my first ever time making a book. I honestly don't expect it to be very good but I am going to finish it just cause It's fun.
+
+I would have changed the title altogether but I can't seem to find where I can do that on WattPad. I'm calling it Corvid
+Cause the monster is a huge crow beast that kills campers for sport.
+
+https://www.wattpad.com/1326192174-something-wicked-this-way-comes-prototype-for-a
+--- 21933661
+>>21932228
+>Your work does have a theme, right? Mind telling us what it is and why you're writing about it?
+--- 21933691
+>>21933660
+On another note, I feel like my story is very fast-paced. Like things happen really fast and I'm not adding enough detail or padding.
+Then again I'm not sure what healthy padding on my story would look like. 
+Every story I've read that I've loved has always been through 1st person narratives. I thought I could start with that but apparently 3rd person is easier?
+What do you guys think about that? I enjoy 1st person narration because it's more focused and shines a specific light on the story. That probably requires you to have experience writing, though.
+--- 21933738
+>>21933660
+>>21933691
+I read your story before.
+I think the change to a cold open and then back to your main character is a good change along with cutting down a lot of him just being angsty.
+As far as first or third person, I have written some of my stuff, the character specific interludes, in first person but I normally write in third. I don't feel that writing first person is harder and I haven't really thought about it.
+--- 21933773
+>>21933738
+Yea you honestly really helped me out with what you said.
+I think the Prologue was a good call because it shows what the story will lead up to. I was kind of worried about Bishop's story at first because you're right he's not likeable and probably will turn off some readers for sure. 
+It's definitely a process to get things down properly with a protagonist I'm beginning to notice.
+--- 21934008
+What do /wg/'s styles look like? Do you use lots of long and complex sentences or prefer simple ones? What about the focus of your sentences? Do you prefer writing close to your character's thoughts or more detached? How much does the style change depending on the scene you're writing? Anything you hate or love seeing in a particular style?
+--- 21934071
+>>21934008
+
+From how people comment on my fiction on RR, my style seems to be to shit on my keyboard.
+--- 21934077
+>>21934008
+I am almost entirely self taught but twice I've put my writing in this site https://www.codingrobots.com/iwl/ and it spit out James Joyce as who it believes I write like, including what I am going to post now.
+The attached screenshot is just an excerpt of my last completed, but not yet edited, chapter.
+I intentionally change how closely I write to a characters thoughts depending on the scene. My fights I tend to go for a more detached analysis of the violence in the hopes that the readers understand how my main character feels about killing. He dissociates himself from his worst actions, trying to avoid clouding his judgment with morals or emotions, allowing him to fight with brutality. In this case, he is speaking dryly, not only because of what he is doing and how he learned how to do it, but because the woman who is there is a teacher above him and he doesn't like being emotional around people who he isn't close with. He is also seeing himself as an artist, and I think the line about what a shame it would be if the body forgot how to breathe shows how detached he is in that moment.
+--- 21934106
+>>21934071
+I'm terrified posting my work on RR
+--- 21934135
+>>21934008
+dramatic, snappy. thematic but how events are portrayed is different from story to story. this one in particular is wordy, i think. i try to keep close to my characters thoughts to show how ironic it all is. styles i hate would be anything stream of consciousness because the excuse for it being so dumb is that its deep or cynical or something
+--- 21934316
+>>21934008
+The most notable comments I've recieved from here is that my style is pornographic and that I write like an MFA student
+I write don't porn nor am I an MFA student
+Some comments I've recieved from other places are that my atmosphere feels alive and that my dialogue feels human
+Personally I think I write in a cloying way, I tend to zoom way in on details for emotional effect
+Because I naturally do this I'm fucking ass when the scene demands a higher pace
+--- 21934382
+>>21931132 (OP)
+Here's my most recently published work of pseudo-erotica. It's called Dome, Desert, Castle
+
+It's sort of like a normal short story wearing the skin of a short piece of erotic fiction. So it's not really what someone looking for erotica is looking for. I've written a few of them before. I don't know if "pseudo-erotica" is the sort of thing people would want to read, but I liked writing it.
+
+https://literotica.com/s/dome-desert-castle
+
+I'm probably not going to change it, but I still want feedback if anyone's interested in reading it.

lit/21931140.txt

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+-----
+--- 21931140
+Lit with an early 00's pop punk vibe?
+--- 21931498
+I wish but that’s too hard to translate to the page.
+--- 21931963
+>>21931140 (OP)
+Shit kickers ? Haven’t read it, but I heard it described, and that music would fit it well
+--- 21932877
+>>21931140 (OP)
+Nelson Algren
+--- 21932878
+>>21931140 (OP)
+May I suggest The Bell Jar by Sylvia Plath?
+--- 21932976
+>>21931140 (OP)
+remember all the kids who committed suicide to that adam song? wtf was his problem

lit/21931141.txt

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+-----
+--- 21931141
+i want to die in a duel
+--- 21931306
+>>21931141 (OP)
+Why? It's stupid. I assume that you feel this way after reading Pushkin, Lermontov, or other Russian writers. You should know that all of them disapproved of dueling and thought it was a dumb way to die.
+--- 21931329
+>>21931306
+Pushkin himself was killed in a duel THOUGH.
+--- 21931335
+>>21931329
+Thought this post said Pushkin killed himself in a duel and I instantly knew I had to read everything by Pushkin
+--- 21931372
+>>21931141 (OP)
+If I could choose I would like to get shot off a horse and then fall to the ground, hitting my head so hard but not feeling any sort of pain, just a moment of confusion and then the weakness of death
+--- 21931406
+>>21931329
+Rules for thee, not for me.
+--- 21931523
+>>21931306
+>It's stupid
+what is not stupid, waiting to die of old age? being killed in a duel is beautiful, pushkin was a hothead he always wanted to die like that. 
+
+>>21931372
+so like young Petya Rostov, good choice
+--- 21931552
+I wonder how people used to feel before duelling. If someone shot at me I'd shit myself, as I'm sure most people unused to lethal violence would. I can't imagine volunteering to be shot at to settle a verbal dispute. Was it the case that they were just harder people, or was it because they honour culture was so ingrained they just swallowed their fear rather than face the embarrassment of backing down?
+--- 21931562
+>>21931141 (OP)
+I want to die.
+--- 21931569
+Based and redpilled.
+--- 21931572
+>>21931141 (OP)
+bourgeois
+--- 21931574
+>>21931552
+Blade duels in Europe were considered a stage of life for men within societies, mainly if there wasn‘t an ongoing war to facilitate the passage from danger to maturity. Still is in some parts. 
+
+Cowboy gun duelists were probably just drunk.
+--- 21931576
+>>21931141 (OP)
+Hop into any pvp game and face reality first. You'll get crushed and no one will care and then they'll emote on your corpse. Wow, what an experience.
+--- 21931577
+>>21931141 (OP)
+send me location
+--- 21931595
+>>21931141 (OP)
+I will slay you in an honourable duel, and then I will tear from you your still-beating heart, so that I may devour it and absorb your spirit force.
+--- 21931605
+>>21931141 (OP)
+>i want to die
+Weak faggot bullshit. This means you admit your argument was in the wrong and that you deserved to die the death of a useless dog
+>>21931576
+wtf does video games have to do with real life combat?
+--- 21931608
+>>21931595
+>absorb your spirit force.
+Why would you want to absorb the spirit of an incel
+--- 21931610
+>>21931605
+>wtf does video games have to do with real life combat?
+Losing feels the same everywhere. In a video game you won't get complimentary brain damage.
+--- 21931615
+>>21931610
+There is no real humiliation of defeat in a video game because the person across the screen is a low IQ brown mutt that sits on his ass for unhealthy amounts of time whose "skills" basically boil down to overdeveloped rote memorization. The potential to potentially suffer long term damage or look like a bitch is very real though.
+--- 21931617
+>>21931608
+Life extension and corrective internal chemistry
+--- 21931627
+>>21931615
+Feeling like a bitch is an inner experience that can be accomplished anywhere as illustrated by a literal mountain of raging gamer videos. Humiliation comes through just fine online. This is why other websites have ToS against bullying.
+--- 21931630
+.
+--- 21931635
+>>21931627
+They're probably enraged because video games actually give you shockingly little control to determine the outcome of the match and it's mostly determined after only a few set sequences. Failure in a physical competition is far more tangible in that you can immediately recognize your flaws as a fighter and the mechanisms of your own body rather than the arbitrary devices of some Japanese fighting game.
+--- 21931641
+>>21931635
+Right, that's why it only takes one bjj tournament to turn a white belt in a black one. Please stop larping.
+--- 21931652
+>>21931641
+>Right, that's why it only takes one bjj tournament to turn a white belt in a black one. 
+I don't understand your point.
+>Please stop larping.
+Me pointing out that a single professional boxer is far more impressive on both a physical and technical level, and has more to put on the line than any button clacker is a LARP but pretending that gaming is a strenuous, meritocratic avenue isn't? Lmfao
+--- 21931663
+>>21931641
+>>21931641
+>that's why it only takes one bjj tournament to turn a white belt in a black one
+No one ever implied that retard, what the other retard is saying is that after a real match you have time to analyze what you did wrong and how can you actually become better
+Games are just masturbatory memorization in your fingers, they can't compare
+--- 21931688
+>>21931652
+>I don't understand your point
+> you can immediately recognize your flaws as a fighter
+This doesn't happen IMMEDIEATELY. What you recognize is oh shit, I just got my ass kicked and then you go back and review. It's not like if Itriangle choke you out in one bout you take a 15-minute meditation to then come back and defend it.
+>that gaming is a strenuous, meritocratic avenue isn't?
+Who the fuck said anything about gaming being a more strenuous activity? The conversation began at go get a taste of defeat and realize dueling is retarded. The entire point was that gaming inherently comes with safety which you twisted into "well obviously being a boxer is more physically strenuous" No fucking shit, Sherlock. You figure that one out all on your own?
+>not meritocratic
+Right, that's why ranking ladders don't exist
+>>21931663
+> that after a real match you have time to analyze what you did wrong and how can you actually become better
+Not fucking immediately. 
+>Games are just masturbatory memorization in your fingers,
+Go ahead muscle memory through a chess game. I'll wait. Also, it's not like overtime strategy evolves and stacks overtime because you're competing against another human or anything, just muscle memory it bro.
+--- 21931696
+>>21931688
+>Go ahead muscle memory through a chess game.
+He clearly meant computer games you stupid nigger
+--- 21931700
+>>21931696
+chess.com
+--- 21931707
+>>21931700
+>Hop into any pvp game and face reality first. You'll get crushed and no one will care and then they'll emote on your corpse. Wow, what an experience.
+You cannot emote in chess nigger
+Fuck off with damage control to /v/
+--- 21931714
+>>21931572
+Pistol duel: bourgeois and cringe
+Sword duel: aristocratic and based
+--- 21931715
+>>21931688
+>just muscle memory it bro
+>dump $5000 in your average shooter
+>now you have better equipment and perks than the rest
+>learn a set of shitty movements
+>spam it until you are in the top 10 global
+Wow! Games are truly for the enlightened!!
+--- 21931718
+>>21931707
+Yes you can. There is a chat, you can use emotes in chat.
+>damage control
+That's a cute projection. You came in to get btfo'd,
+>>21931715
+Play counter-strike. You have options. Ask your strawman if you're still confused. Between the two of you there's gotta be at least one functioning brain.
+--- 21931723
+>>21931718
+>there are corpses in chess
+Sure, retard, wait I know what you'll say, the king in check mate position is the corpse
+>>21931718
+>That's a cute projection. You came in to get btfo'd
+That's a cute projection, you came in to get btfo'd
+--- 21931735
+>>21931723
+>knows he's wrong makes the retarded argument anyways
+I know you've never chased down a fleeing king into a corner.
+>That's a cute projection, you came in to get btfo'd
+Oh no, are you at the end of your assigned conversation list so you must resort to repeating what was said to you? Whoever programmed you did a shit job. I am sorry.
+--- 21931746
+>>21931735
+>>21931735
+>Whoever programmed you did a shit job. I am sorry.
+Shit mate, I knew you were retarded but not this bad, don't worry, you can keep the damage control up, tell me more about how games are comparable to martial arts, I can't wait
+--- 21931747
+>>21931141 (OP)
+It is bullshit that consensual duels aren't legal. You don't live under liberalism unless you can can challange a man to a duel for everything he owns.
+--- 21931753
+>>21931746
+>le cope
+Oh, you think you're trolling. That's adorable. Try it again. I am definitely on the hook. Pinky promise.
+--- 21931765
+>>21931753
+>reddit talk
+Don't feel cornered mate, I'm interested in this 
+So uhhh, moving a stick is like hitting a guy on the neck, I see now, but I still want to know more, can you keep telling me?
+--- 21931822
+>>21931714
+pistol duel is kino
+--- 21932020
+>>21931141 (OP)
+I want to die in general
+--- 21932047
+>>21931723
+Dumb (may be dumbest on board)
+>>21931718
+Smart
+--- 21932217
+>>21931335
+you still have to, fag.
+--- 21932225
+>>21931141 (OP)
+but not your first, right???
+--- 21932231
+>>21931141 (OP)
+>The detestable custom of duelling, introduced by the contrivance of the devil, that by the bloody death of the body, he [Page 275] may accomplish the ruin of the soul, shall be utterly exterminated from the Christian world. Any emperor, kings, dukes, princes, marquises, counts, and temporal lords by whatsoever other name entitled, who shall grant
+a place within their territories for single combat between Christians, shall be thereupon excommunicated, and shall be understood to be deprived of jurisdiction and dominion over any city, castle, or place, in or at which they have permitted the duel to take place, which they hold of the church ; and if those places be held as a fief they shall forthwith
+escheat to their direct lords. As to the persons who have fought, and those who are called their seconds (sponsors), they shall incur the penalty of excommunication, and the confiscation of all their property, and of perpetual infamy, and are to be punished as homicides, according to the sacred canons; and if they have perished in the conflict itself, they shall be for ever deprived of ecclesiastical sepulture. Those also who have given counsel in the ease of a duel, whether for the question of right, or fact, or have in any other way whatever persuaded any one thereunto, as also the spectators thereof, shall be subjected to the bond of excommunication, and of a perpetual malediction ; any privilege soever, or evil custom, though immemorial, 
+heretics btfo again
+--- 21932288
+>>21932231
+written by an evil ruler who feared being challenged to a duel
+
+>"White Surpremacy... er, I mean 'dueling'..., is the greatest threat to our national security"
+--- 21932341
+>>21932288
+>evil ruler
+Council of Trent*. It's amazing how easy it is to make you slaves of sin start hissing and griping over the basic tenants of the magisterium. Absolutely predictable.
+--- 21932517
+>>21931723
+Retarded
+>>21931718
+Extremely retarded Vatnik
+--- 21932728
+Romanticizing retard.
+--- 21933034
+I will fight anyone in this thread
+meet me at the corner of 100th and 170th se, southwest of fargo ND at 05:00 tomorrow morning.

lit/21931233.txt

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+-----
+--- 21931233
+am I retarded or just based in not being interested in more fiction?
+I guess it might be related to being asian and hence more alien.
+--- 21931238
+Never reading this CCP soft power trash. Sorry Hong.
+--- 21931395
+>>21931233 (OP)
+I imagine you like books with engaging sci-fi ideas and don't mind the prose and characters being autistic. 
+
+I'd try other newer, idea driven sci-fi writers. Ted Chiang short stories are fantastic and are actually really well written too. Greg Egan from the 2 books I've read from him does write kind of awkwardly sometimes with unrealistic feeling characters, but I don't know that any writer goes more in depth on out there ideas. Blindsight the writing quality varies and some ideas aren't conveyed as clearly as they should be, but I think also merits recommendation along these lines
+--- 21931624
+>>21931233 (OP)
+Did you read them all or only book one?
+--- 21931651
+>>21931233 (OP)
+These books have some pretty interesting concepts, but the science isn't great. There's a lot of inaccuracies and a lot that just aged poorly.
+Greg Egan is the far superior hard sci-fi writer.
+--- 21933141
+>>21931233 (OP)
+>science isn't great
+Understatement. It's fucking terrible for a book that's often called hard scifi. Unfolding subatomic particles is dumb and so is the painfully wrong view of the three body problem as it's used in the story. 
+
+I still really liked The Dark Forest though and Thomas Wade did nothing wrong.
+--- 21933228
+>>21933141
+>Thomas Wade did nothing wrong.
+He failed to kill the bitch and doomed humanity
+that's plenty wrong
+--- 21933479
+Did the author intend for the reader to be cheering for the destruction of humanity in the latter books?
+--- 21933694
+Why couldn't the tri solarians just let it go?
+--- 21934157
+>>21931233 (OP)
+same my nigga, I listened to it tho
+--- 21934183
+That's awesome anon
+Which books are you planning to read next?

lit/21931256.txt

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+-----
+--- 21931256
+How does your inner reading voice sound like?
+--- 21931305
+how would I know? i read aloud
+--- 21931356
+like a strong black woman
+--- 21931361
+>>21931356
+Mine sounds like a weak black women.
+--- 21931363
+>>21931356
+>>21931361
+mine sounds like a strong black woman facesitting a weak black woman
+--- 21931364
+whatever actor in a movie I recently liked, usually like Jeremy Irons
+--- 21931393
+I can imagine a different voice for every different style, depending of the author. Balzac sounds like that grandpa who smoked a lot, he's slow and has some mannerism. Pynchon is loud and nasal at the same time, like that short friend at the bar.
+--- 21931440
+>>21931256 (OP)
+Prose sounds like my normal voice. Dialogue sounds like whatever I think that character should sound like.
+--- 21932095
+>>21931393
+Something like this
+Different voices per character
+Different narrative voice depending on genre and time period, it would be bizarre to read 1600s British English and anything Irish in the same voice, for example.
+--- 21932106
+>>21931256 (OP)
+my inner voice is unrestricted by space-time
+it has an eternal tone to it
+--- 21932128
+Richard Burton on the War of the Worlds concept album. Ever since I was a kid.
+--- 21932244
+My internal reading voice sounds artificially pitched-down, the closest approximation being something like Brad Douriff's character in Exorcist III (link: https://youtu.be/QP9xBMi4Jrs). [Embed] It tends to have a quick pace whenever I read, so the sound is alluring.
+--- 21932263
+>>21931256 (OP)
+Like Hayley Williams from Paramore. Just a bit on the lower note. 
+
+I like her voice.
+--- 21932281
+>>21932263
+Are you a pretty tranny
+--- 21932926
+Words without sound, just thoughts, but they do come at different speed and intonation depending on the context.
+--- 21932945
+>>21931256 (OP)
+Myself. Or at least my internal monologue.
+--- 21932948
+>>21931256 (OP)
+Like my voice
+--- 21932965
+I dont know. I've never heard it since it's just thought...
+--- 21932966
+>>21931256 (OP)
+like William Pierce
+https://archive.org/details/dr.-william-luther-pierce-massacre-in-the-katyn-forest_202303
+--- 21932992
+>>21931256 (OP)
+I don't have sound unless I want it. I consume information very fast.

lit/21931367.txt

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+-----
+--- 21931367
+What are your favorite literary themes?
+--- 21931371
+Zoos are evil
+--- 21931379
+>>21931367 (OP)
+Weeb faggot penguin
+--- 21931706
+>>21931367 (OP)
+Good question.
+Cassandra's curse, I suppose.
+Also exploration - be it of space or of one's psyche
+The documenation - fictional or not - of military expeditions, such as Rebellion in the Backlands
+--- 21932318
+>>21931706
+>Cassandra's curse
+Fellow /pol/ prophet. They never listen to us, do they?
+--- 21932419
+>>21931367 (OP)
+Why women are terrible
+--- 21932427
+>>21931367 (OP)
+Cuckoldry
+--- 21932492
+>>21931371
+>feeding animals and saving them from extinction is evil
+?
+--- 21932973
+>>21931367 (OP)
+Romance
+--- 21933001
+>>21932492
+Speaking for the minority of cases, nice nitpick.
+>they're fed so they're happy!
+Genius
+--- 21933044
+>>21931367 (OP)
+Self-improvement is the best revenge.
+--- 21933113
+>>21932492
+>Good puperino, here is you treat. Look at you happy face. We saving you from extinction so don't you run you fucking nigger.

lit/21931421.txt

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+-----
+--- 21931421
+>poetrhy is dead because the demand for modern poetrhy are n word people
+--- 21931453
+M&M is great at coming up with rhymes for the word 'orange'
+--- 21931460
+>>21931453
+Coffee porridge
+--- 21931490
+>>21931460
+
+broken doorhinge
+--- 21932920
+>>21931453
+Range... Orange... Mange... Deranged... Strange... French (heh)
+--- 21932933
+>>21931421 (OP)
+I think Eminem is an actual "trans racial" person like that Dolezal woman was trying to be. Hes obviously not white. Hes not really black either, I guess hes some kind of chimera. Even black people seem to realize he isnt white