Thu Apr 20 08:31:47 UTC 2023

k/57819001.txt

@@ -1154,3 +1154,96 @@ Not weird at all. They are very bulky and not always reliable though, so pretty
 SIG are complete fucks about designing a new magazine pattern for every single gun they make just to force you to buy overpriced OEM mags from them. No way around it until the model you have has been around long enough for aftermarket options to pop up.
 >>57899018
 Regular Chinese slings. You can get them on eBay all day.
+--- 57904372
+>>57898078
+yes I am looking to stay in the US. I want to bring my guns because they are important to me and I don't want to leave them with my parents in case they change the laws and come under licence in the future.
+>>57898041
+yes, I will be selling most of them, but I at least want to keep the guns I inherited from my grandfather and my first gun which I bought when I was 15.
+--- 57904409
+can anyone ID what kind of gun this is?
+--- 57904433
+>>57904409
+That's the ruger carbine.
+--- 57905817
+>>57904409
+Ruger PC carbine with an Mlok free float rail
+--- 57905886
+Tried this question before but got buried in a bump limit
+
+would it be much wiser to get a user serviceable suppressor over a non user serviceable? every now and then I'll see a comment saying that most non serv. can be cleaned by just soaking it in solvent
+Just curious to how dirty cans actually get (especially with cheap potentially corrosive ammo and what not)
+--- 57905896
+>>57905886
+Most sealed cans pick up whole ounces of material over time which degrades their performance. Serviceable cans tend to be heavier. Some unservicable cans can be sent to the manufacturer for cleaning. 
+But at some point you have to stop waffling and actually buy a can, most are pretty good, do your research.
+--- 57905928
+>>57905886
+>Just curious to how dirty cans actually get
+That varies a great deal.
+Rimfire ammo is dirty AF, period. Buying a rimfire can that you cannot disassemble for cleaning is stupid. Most centerfire cans get very little residue in them because the ammo is generally very clean and cleaning the can is rarely required because there's just not much to clean out of it. When was the last time you heard about someone having to clean out their AR gas block or gas tube, for example? But in some cases cans do get dirty. This is especially with SBRs where there may be a lot of powder which never gets the chance to burn in the barrel. That will dirty up the can faster.
+--- 57906044
+>>57905896
+>>57905928
+Good points, I've been looking at the either the Bushwacker 36 or the Banish .30. Only major difference being the user serv. part. (also banish is a bit lighter) thanks yall
+--- 57906079
+>>57906044
+Something else to think about: Yes, it is possible to chemically clean lead residue out of a can. However, this produces some seriously toxic waste that you REALLY don't want getting on your hands and is tricky to dispose of. Also, that solvent method only works on stainless suppressors. The solvents will attack aluminum or titanium. It's not impossible to clean a suppressor with solvent but you do need to be careful.
+--- 57906619
+Does anyone have a link to the thread about anon making ap ammo out of tungsten inserted into 308?
+--- 57906788
+CZ P10c or Shield?
+--- 57909302
+>>57902169
+>>57902905
+That's a bummer, thanks bros. Kinda guessed that from searching around but it's nice to have confirmation.
+--- 57909447
+I bought a LBT modular plate carrier at /k/'s recommendation and now I need to buy plates. Can any of you recommend a brand and material?
+--- 57909583
+Why aren't the guns I want ever in stock?
+Howa mini 6mm ARC bolt actions dont exist anywhere and Henry Model X is only on gunbroker sold by price gougers.
+--- 57909821
+>>57906788
+Not the same class of handgun
+P10 for general purpose, Shield for a dedicated small concealed carry gun
+--- 57910595
+Is there a guide to ACOGs? I want to get one to put on a 20" AR but there's a zillion different models.
+--- 57911315
+Is there any historical basis or practicality to this pose?
+--- 57912215
+>>57819001 (OP)
+>>57819001 (OP)
+Im a fucking idiot and a fool. I cant into slicing my own glock/ar stl's for an ender 3. 
+
+Is there a place where gcodes already exist for an ender 3, looking for glock 19 frames and 9mm ar frames. im fucking great at mags, but i have shame still.
+--- 57913658
+What does /k/ think of the P22? Kind of interested in a .22 pistol to eat through some of my stockpiled ammo, but I'm cucked for choice due to a roster (for now).
+--- 57914245
+I have a Savage 93 in 22 mag, the front and rear sights are both dovetailed into the barrel. Does anyone know if the dovetail cuts are the same dimensions for both the front and rear sight? i don't currently have access to my tools to take them out and measure.
+--- 57914496
+>>57913658
+They're kinda shitty. Design feels nice ergonomically but they refuse to work unless you run a steady diet of CCI minimags, and build quality is cheap.
+I recommend Buckmark, 22 revolver or look around for an off roster Ruger MKII. I have a Ruger 22/45 that I might sell off PPT if you're near the bay area.
+Email me at residentwumbologist at Gmail if interested.
+
+Also 22 rifle is a good way to go.
+>>57909583
+If you want it, odds are somebody else does too. If it's a low volume production thing then that compounds the issue.
+For something obscure and hard to find I recommend being patient. There's no urgent need to have it right away, so keep cash on hand and an eye out. It'll pop up when you least expect it.
+>>57906788
+Preference. Both are fine. Try them out and go with what you like more.
+>>57905886
+Because they are NFA items and sending one anywhere to have anything done with it is a huge hassle I wouldn't even consider one that I can't unfuck myself.
+>>57904409
+Ruger PC.
+With a modified surplus PPSh-41 stock and a Magpul Glock drum you can have a cyberpunk Papasha.
+>>57904372
+Look up some importer FFLs and email them for specifics. What guns they can import, what they can't, how to do it and what it'll cost. Not all guns can be imported, and the rules on that are far more restrictive and arbitrary than you would think. US gun laws are very permissive with ownership but they are also geared to protect domestic manufacturers from foreign competition, which applies for one off imports just like it does for batches of 10000+.
+--- 57914511
+>>57819001 (OP)
+Are the parts to F5's ACR stock clone compatible with the actual acr stock?
+--- 57914651
+Anons help me pick a slide optic combo for my glock 19
+--- 57914764
+>>57819001 (OP)
+what would you call a piece of metal that screws into the side of an ambidextrous AR safety selector and turns it into a right-handed safety selector that doesn't get in the way of a right-handed shooter's hand?
+Also, who sells this?

k/57834081.txt

@@ -490,3 +490,84 @@ Vacuum your shit dude, that's disgusting.
 --- 57903504
 >>57903296
 Hey i just received my springfield 1944 from the cmp. it turned 79 this month.
+--- 57903898
+>>57899863
+
+Lovely, still waiting for the right Gasser to round out the collection.
+--- 57905303
+>>57901946
+Pls gib 99 long, preferably Nagoya.
+--- 57905356
+>>57903317
+My grandpa said his dad carried an old Steyr pistol and he’ll have to look for it is there anything it could be other than this?
+--- 57906225
+>>57905303
+Isildur.gif
+--- 57906394
+>>57875645
+its like half a year ago last time i shot smth.
+feels bad man
+--- 57908314
+>>57906394
+Go shoot your guns anon
+--- 57910221
+Am I insane or was there one anon that successfully 3d printed shells for a .577 snider and they worked.
+--- 57910335
+>>57910221
+No it happened. I don't think he was a /msg/ regular though.
+--- 57910350
+>>57910221
+Yes, yes, and yes. Try the reloading thread; I think .577Zoomer pops up there occasionally.
+--- 57910649
+>>57906394
+Why do you live with your grandma?
+--- 57911154
+>>57901869
+I've got 3 of them (one Nagoya and 2 TKs) and no you can't have any of them. I also used to own another Nagoya, but sold it.
+--- 57911497
+Not surp, but anyone get any steals lately?
+
+I got this Winchester 42 for $460 shipped today.
+--- 57911511
+>>57911497
+I'm not intelligent enough to add pictures.
+--- 57911652
+>>57911497
+I'm pretty new to this so I have no idea whether something is going for a good price or not. I've gotten two pistols that were both cheaper than I'd seen them elsewhere but I still don't know if they were steals.
+--- 57911865
+>>57901869
+We long 99 posting now.
+--- 57912398
+>>57875706
+But Miatas are still gay.
+--- 57912863
+>>57911154
+>I've got 3 of them
+Well, save a Nagoya 99 long with matching bolt for me if you see one. I want one to go with my Type 99 short rifle.
+>>57911865
+Stop taunting me.
+--- 57912872
+>>57911865
+track day bro let's kiss (this video is a decade old now if you want to feel old)
+--- 57913504
+>>57911497
+My gasser could be considered a steal at $1600.
+--- 57914289
+>>57842206
+You could just sell the unused cases you don't want on Gunbroker or something.
+--- 57914343
+>>57861583
+i'm shooting a few decades old gun. 
+if the numbers don't match then i can fire away with no qualms about finding a replacement. 
+i have a near mint 1942 p08 that i'm scared about even taking out of the case. 
+my beat to hell arisaka with no matching parts gets used pretty often.
+--- 57914424
+>>57914343
+>>57911865
+longgun is looooooong
+--- 57914685
+>>57914424
+We can go looonger.
+--- 57914760
+>>57914685
+What was the longest rifle to actually see military service?

k/57857018.txt

@@ -944,3 +944,89 @@ Neat
 --- 57903460
 >>57902403
 about $150 or so, it was before the second wave of retro so A2 uppers were still getting up there in price but it wasn't out of control
+--- 57904402
+>>57903460
+Where get?
+--- 57905203
+>>57857736
+Psa 20 inch chf. Fn barrel, they have a free float and a handguard with sight post bit the handguard is not smooth like the a1. You have to get that elsewhere and swap it. They're flat tops though so.. I think they're sub 500$
+--- 57906934
+Just bought one for an AR 10 despite I don't own the rifle yet.
+--- 57907528
+My attempt at a Blood Diamond CAR-15 clone
+--- 57908520
+>>57880071
+wew lad
+
+>>57857018 (OP)
+does anyone know where to get 20 round usgi magazines but pinned to 10 round capacity? And then what sort of maglock options look the least ugly? t. CA resident
+--- 57908914
+>>57908520
+I doubt you find a USGI 20 pinned to 10. In the 90's, Colt included two 20-rd sized magazines with a USGI body and inside was an insert limiting them to 5-rd. Then the buttplate was riveted so it could not be removed.
+Check Gunbroker Item: 979064539 Going for $40 For you, it would be a good idea to may pick up 2 or 3.
+--- 57909463
+>>57908520
+https://lanbosarmory.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=3&products_id=11295
+--- 57909593
+>>57864579
+Baste.
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umfMsVbEpzk [Embed]
+The last few albums have been okay, but they'll never top DD or PB.
+--- 57910279
+>>57902854
+thank you friend
+--- 57911636
+>>57907528
+nice put a 20 rounder in it
+--- 57911648
+Is there a way to get one without it being so expensive 
+And not one that's just attached by rail
+--- 57912297
+>>57911648
+Yeah. H&R's new clones.
+--- 57912725
+Next build, taking suggestions.
+--- 57912857
+>>57912725
+I am sorry to say your upcoming AR appears to be of mixed racial ancestry.
+--- 57913029
+>>57857018 (OP)
+A1 with round handguards. Thoughts?
+--- 57913062
+>>57912725
+>detachable carry handle
+Don't even. Just get a proper upper.
+--- 57913096
+>>57877777
+Chcked
+--- 57913240
+>>57913029
+wasnt that a legit thing in like the 90s for the national guard?
+--- 57913351
+>>57912725
+>>57913062
+This, but save the carry handle for the sight parts.
+--- 57913411
+>>57886211
+--- 57913431
+>>57913029
+very practical upgrade to the a1, I find round more comfortable to grip, and having one part number for the handguards instead of two is very pragmatic. a1 profile barrel is lighter and more balanced. if you prefer a1 sights to a2 it is a great option. only thing is a1 upper has no case deflector, but the colt 733 style upper has case deflector and a1 sights
+--- 57913471
+>>57912857
+Mutts are loyal.
+>>57913062
+>>57913351
+Flattop because I'm building a shooter. 11.5" pin and weld goes without saying.
+--- 57913858
+>>57913471
+What suggestions do you want? Sounds like the only thing you haven't picked out yet is an upper, lower and fsb
+--- 57913997
+>>57908914
+those definitely look great but my plan is to build an AR with a maglock, and 5rds is pretty gimped compared to 10, which is already gimped, but it's the legal limit in my state for now. I can also use detachable magazines but only if I put a kydex fin on the grip or use a cucked grip which would be far worse for the aesthetics of the rifle than a maglock would be.
+
+>>57909463
+thanks anon. got any recommendations for mag locking systems that look subtle and would look alright on an a1 or a2 themed rifle?
+--- 57914608
+>>57912297
+>tfw still too much of a poorfag to afford it
+>have to build a poverty pony with rail mount handle

k/57857308.txt

@@ -973,3 +973,133 @@ Urban exploration resources are useful, just be careful about doing urban explor
 >>57862787
 >Navigating the water getting there, with all the submerged stumps, you need a penetrating white light in the water if you're inserting during the night. But after that you can run nods.
 Worth a shot with an IR illuminator. I loathe emitting any light or sound at night, just because people are much much more sensitive to it
+--- 57904277
+>>57902206
+2010-2013 was the perfect era for those lol. I remember laying in my dorm in college and not being able to sleep.
+--- 57904514
+>>57862057
+Rollin for one that speaks english
+--- 57904522
+Non American here, how do stalker challenges work?
+--- 57904602
+>>57904522
+you trespass at an abandoned structure with a gun and practice your sneeki breeki. It's inspired by the video game stalker shadow of chernobyl. There's a point counter here >>57901931 where you can see exactly how the game is played and scored. But you have to bring a gun and you have to go innawoods.
+--- 57904615
+>>57904522
+It's urbex with self-imposed challenges inspired by the videogame series STALKER
+example of rules >>57901931
+--- 57906148
+>>57887660
+What is the leftmost thing on your scope mount?
+--- 57906181
+>>57902173
+where in? that is a doable trip for me
+--- 57906430
+>>57874900
+So jealous. One day
+--- 57906489
+Was very drunk and fell through two sets of floors into the basement after I took this photo. Very fun times
+--- 57906541
+>>57906148
+looks like a Perst 3
+--- 57907414
+>>57874900
+Who owns all that land? Private or state?
+--- 57908695
+>>57907414
+A big chunk of the state is owned by federal/state or by timber/mining/mineral companies.
+--- 57910021
+>>57903333
+quads of truth
+--- 57910992
+>>57901071
+Noice! subscribed.
+--- 57911290
+>>57857308 (OP)
+Why not just pretend to be homeless for three nights and go innacity? Seems like more of a difficult challenge.
+--- 57911466
+>>57910992
+Thanks, brother!
+>>57911290
+It's all about the aesthetic, man.
+--- 57911669
+>>57869718
+Warm brahmin milk, magnets and a few happy thoughts.
+--- 57912733
+>>57880823
+What would cause a 3-5 minute long siren, bros?
+Missile launch site? Air raid siren? S-sure there's no Sirenhead, r-right???
+--- 57912901
+>>57912733
+I wouldn’t worry about it.
+--- 57913373
+>>57906181
+>>57902173
+Also would like to know where, seems like Ohio has fuck all for good stalking spots.
+--- 57913533
+>>57857801
+Ah I was hoping you would be here I remember that thread!
+--- 57913740
+>>57877010
+>>57877024
+I thought he got someone else to stand with him and there were two sets of feet. Shadow and thumb make each foot look real weird when it's a thumbnail while hovering over the blue reply.
+--- 57913811
+>>57857637
+Sounds like fun. Good job OP.
+--- 57913995
+>>57902173
+>>57888002
+How did you get in? Where did you leave your car? With the medicinal grow facility next to it, there has to be some form of security, right? I'm actually considering checking this place out myself.
+--- 57914055
+>>57877010
+when I have the island more presentable I'll drop the gps and a good burner email to get ahold of me is [email protected] 
+>>57913373
+>>57906181
+>>57913995
+here's the gps. it's on the same land as a grow ohio medical marijuana indoor farm, and a quasar biomass plant. Both of them will bust you out. Plus the factory is owned by a private inbred redneck that will bust you out and has trailcams. It's not impossible just very hard, much harder now than it was. I'd suggest finding some way to enter by the woods and come in behind the factory (be sure not to get wrong turned in the woods or die to rednecks). Driving in through the front gate is a little too brazen nowadays but you might still get away with it
+
+I'll drop a few more pics so you guys can see where I entered. I just drive in the front fucking gates and acted like I belonged. Instead of driving right to the weed farm and biomass plant you go right on a dirt road to the cement factory. I parked up close to the factory away from the weed farm. I covered my car with a camo tarp (didn't do shit but make me feel better). If I'd do it again I'd try to drive up inside of this loading dock. I parked right next to the loading dock, but you could drive up inside of it and be totally concealed from the outside. But there's lots of just giant fucking holes in the ground where the concrete has fallen away, so I was afraid I was going to drive on a hidden cracked chunk and cave myself in.
+--- 57914091
+my totally invisible car
+--- 57914106
+here's the front gate's, veer a left at the fork for cheeki breeki
+--- 57914122
+>>57914106
+So you literally just drive right past the grow facility and they don't give a shit? How about the owner, any run ins with him? In regards to the grow facility, would it be easier to get past after hours or some shit?
+--- 57914162
+>>57914055
+damn, shame its hard to get into. Its such a cool looking spot.
+--- 57914171
+this is the loading dock area as mentioned. there's a short concrete ramp that leads up to it.
+>>57914122
+they will immedietely call the land owner, or the police if they see you drive over there. they have a no trespassing sign now I believe. We almost got busted when we were there last. There's a pond between the abandoned structures and the active factories and it carries sound really well. We'd been in the place for about 4 hours and then we heard 2 grown men yelling and knocking things around maybe 100 yards away from us in another part of the factory. We fucking hightailed it out of there. Pretty sure it was biomass employees. But I wasn't stickin around to see. We loaded into the car and tried to get out by the front gate. But they closed and locked it. There's giant concrete driving pilons that won't let you get around it. They'd locked us in. After hours you won't be able to get through the gate. So instead I offroaded around the grow ohio and drove over the ditch to get back on 22 further up the way. I think they've fenced this over too. They probably saw me on the cameras offroading
+--- 57914181
+here we're driving offroad past the grow ohio lol. this was a front wheel drive shitbox and it rained the day before. I was fucking sweating I was gonna get stuck
+--- 57914200
+>>57914181
+>>57914171
+you absolute fucking madman. God I'd love to check this place out but it seems like a huge challenge. Do you know where the owner keeps any of the trail cams? And if the place is all fenced off, I can't imagine you'd be able to get in through the back, but I could be wrong.
+--- 57914299
+>>57914200
+I don't know where, but I've heard people from the area (I originally grew up in the area, lots of family still lives in zanesville) that people who got busted at the place had their license plate numbers recorded on a trailcam. The rumor is the redneck who owns it has them all over the place. Now I don't think they got my plates otherwise they probably would've sent me a notice to appear in court. I would air on the side of caution. Reality is probably somewhere in between, he probably has a motion sensor or weight sensor to let him know someone's gone down the dirt road. Then he's probably got 1 camera pointed where most people drive by. 
+
+As far as in the rear, the atv trails (that's what they look like to me) definitely have gates on them. If you inserted by the woods, you would have to do so way behind the structure somewhere south of east fultonham. Then you'd have to navigate all those redneck woods without getting caught. Either way you insert it's gonna be an uphill hike and you're gonna be hopping some barbed wire. That or you'd have to go in by lake isabella, which would be a closer trek but way more security and higher chance some random family is gonna spot you. There's no easy way to do it. You could, in theory. Jump out of the car on 22 and wade up johnathon creek into the structure. I don't see anything stopping you from doing that. I know from personal experience that creek is too shallow for a boat. Plus if there's fencing everywhere else they probably have a grate on the creek too. So even if you did get a boat up the creek you'd have to leave it there. Getting in by Johnathon creek might be the best way to go, but you still have to pass a bunch of houses and you have basically no hope of bugging out if things get too hot.
+--- 57914376
+>>57914299
+Fuck, I almost want to go in unarmed the first time just to assess the spot and see what it's like. Would hate to get busted on my first trip, especially armed.
+--- 57914449
+got these 2 routes mapped up here that could work. I had a retard moment and thought that was johnathon creek but it's actually the muskingum river. that means no wading and no boats unfortunately (muskingum is perilous as fuck). Path A on the left in red is 1 mile even and we hope off at the bridge on 22 and walk the bank of the river using the woods as cover alllll the way back to the structures. Path B on the right in blue is 0.62 miles. We slow down like we're going to the municipal water source on the opposite side of the road, instead we hop out and run into the woods when there's no cars. There's no camera's on the exterior of the municipal water buildings that point towards the road. Then again we walk the banks of the river all the way back to the structure. I have someone who would be our driver and pick us up and drop us off. If shit went south we'd have half an hour to forty five minutes until we'd have evac at the soonest. Of course how we'd get the hell to the road anyways in 45 minutes is another story. If anyone's down to do this shit I'd do it too. I think if we do it we do it right. We need the camo and gear to hide in the woods. We need the guns in case of crackheads which could be a real possibility, it's a huge site. Opsec and light discipline would be absolutely crucial. There's many little nooks and crannies and crevices to hide in and camp over night. I don't know about fires, might have to be a flameless heater outing. If we planned it right we'd be in and out. Best to step off in the morning so we don't need nvg's and flashlights won't stick out while we navigate the woods. Plus in the early morning it's less likely people are up and moving around looking for stalkers. I will recon this (if some other anons don't first) to kind of see the shift changes at quasar and grow ohio. The worst time for us to be getting in or out is when there's a shift change.
+--- 57914488
+It's a fucking badass site, it's just super hard to get to
+--- 57914709
+>>57914449
+Seems like it's possible but definitely risky. I'm not sure if being dropped off the side of the road would be the best plan of action though, I'm sure there's somewhere you could park without any trouble. I'd love to make a trip out there a reality though. Hopefully when you go to check it out everything looks good though, that's definitely important info to find out.
+--- 57915155
+>>57857333
+>I am wearing a freedom patch so that at least has the ukrainian flag on it
+Bruh.
+
+Loners are the only good faction.
+--- 57915207
+>>57860753
+I remember both the original thread and the debunk thread. Radioactive or not both anons took lots of pics of the place.

k/57862803.txt

@@ -568,3 +568,223 @@ Basically you can't go wrong with any of the Ruger American Rimfire rifles. I ha
 --- 57903535
 >>57895587
 Interesting. I wonder if any of them can be loaded from the top though. Obviously the Mossberg 46 can't really according to anon. I guess more so what I meant was a 22lr bolt action with an internal magazine as opposed to detachable or even tube. The idea of a rifle in the most common caliber on earth that doesn't have any mags to lose is neat, though tube mags do cover the concept.
+--- 57903680
+SWEET MARY MOTHER OF GOD LET A .17HM2 RIFLE FALL INTO MY LAP PLEASE PLEASE
+--- 57905243
+>>57903535
+>I wonder if any of them can be loaded from the top though. Obviously the Mossberg 46 can't really according to anon.
+I don't *think* that any of the rifles I mentioned in this post can be single-loaded from the top, at least not without just putting a round directly into the chamber. The tube magazine cannot be loaded from the action-end of the rifle either due to the lifter assemblies that pop rounds out of the tube and up into line with the bolt. (see shitty upside down pic of Remington 512 barrel/receiver/lifter assembly I had to repair)
+Do you mean loaded from the top/ejection port into an internal box magazine, like a Mauser/military style bolt action? None that I know of (other than single shot rifles).
+.22 LR doesn't really lend itself to being stacked vertically due to being rimmed. Either you have to curve the magazine (like a Ruger BX-25 or the magazines used in older Winchester and Savage rifles), or you have to have a slanted magazine (like the Ruger Mark series of handguns), where the rims won't interfere.
+I think there's also a Keltec handgun that uses a weird staggered/4-column magazine, but the point still stands:
+.22 LR is more difficult to stack in an internal box magazine than rifle cartridges like .30-06, 8mm, etc. It can be done with rimmed cartridges (se .303 British in Enfield rifles). It's also a small round, so it may be more difficult to manipulate into an internal box magazine that's buried down in the receiver/action of a rifle.
+Just my thoughts on the topic
+--- 57905368
+Old speedmaster
+--- 57905413
+>>57862803 (OP)
+I really need to get a semi-auto .22 rifle but there's so much red tape to buying semi-autos in my state it's almost not worth it. Will probably settle for something bolt-action.
+--- 57905487
+>>57905368
+>gay foot fetish
+go back to r*ddit
+--- 57905502
+>>57894054
+I had two. Don't bother with the izzy, just either get a Savage or save for a 1827.
+--- 57905523
+>>57905487
+Why're you looking at my feet bro?
+--- 57905551
+>>57905523
+Are you too stupid to figure out how to take a picture of a rifle without your feet in the picture? It appears so.
+--- 57905557
+>>57905551
+Straight eyes wouldn't see the feet at all
+--- 57906031
+>>57905413
+what state anon?
+--- 57906125
+>>57906031
+Where could it be if not New York or Cali?
+--- 57906174
+>>57906031
+Washington. Everysing semi-auto rifle here no matter if it has scary features or not is classified as an "assault rifle" which means when you buy one you have to wait 10 business days (2 weeks) before you can take possession of it. On top of it all if you buy a semi-auto rifle not only is there a waiting period, but you also agree to waive your hipaa rights for the rest of your life and the state is able to view your mental health records in order to do a yearly check to see if you can legally possess firearms.
+
+I haven't bought any semi-auto rifles since July 2019 when that went into effect (which apparently was a mistake since we now have an AWB). But waiting 2 weeks and on top of it all waiving your privacy was just a big turn-off over something like a semi-automatic .22
+--- 57906254
+>>57906174
+well shit, anon. hope you find a good solution. you could find an old pump-action 22 maybe
+--- 57906270
+>>57862803 (OP)
+Your gramps was a cheapskate and couldn't pony up the cash for a 10/22 so now you're left with two prices of shit congrats.
+--- 57906569
+>>57886719
+It's a fun time if you're interested in levergats. I don't have a scope on mine but I think you can buy a picatinny or weaver rail for it, so pretty much any scope or red dot would work.
+--- 57906899
+>>57905243
+>Do you mean loaded from the top/ejection port into an internal box magazine, like a Mauser/military style bolt action?
+Yeah, this was what I was getting at. I had neglected to consider that 22lr is not only rimmed but also really small, so an internal magazine probably doesn't work well, and that's probably why I've never heard of a rifle like this. Makes sense now why those mini Mosins and shit in 22lr are all single shot. Damn shame, would be pretty neat to have something like 10 or even 5 round internal mag plinkin rifle.
+--- 57907673
+>>57883702
+It's a 77/17 17 HMR all weather.
+Came with a Leupold. Very accurate, fun little rifle.
+--- 57907677
+>>57907673
+Sexy paddle stock
+--- 57908043
+>>57906174
+Damn. Stricter than my cucke eu country
+--- 57908134
+>>57862803 (OP)
+Looking to buy a 22 suppressor in the near future so i can shoot without earpro - how big a difference does semi auto vs bolt action make in terms of noise? I have a 10/22 currently but I'm considering buying a bolt action 22 if it would be that much quieter. I've shot a suppressed 22 bolt action before and it was absolutely hearing safe outdoors. not sure about semi-auto though.
+--- 57908260
+>>57908134
+I can't really comment on the noise levels of semi-autos vs manual actions (I know semi-autos will bit at least a bit louder) as I'm still waiting on my can.
+That said, go start the wait on the suppressor now. You're looking at anywhere from 200-290 days right now. Better to start the wait ASAP. It is a painful time.
+>t. day 237 sufferer
+--- 57908365
+>>57908134
+huge difference. The host matters a lot. My Grand Power 22 is a loud host. It's still hearing safe, but a bit clacky because of the slide. The quietest 22lr pistol host I've shot is a GSG 1911.
+Everyone should have a suppressed bolt action 22.
+--- 57908368
+>>57908365
+Are you the Grand Power K22 anon who was shilling it with a whole long review?
+>Verification not required.
+--- 57908513
+>>57908368
+....yes
+Material matters. A stainless 10/22 bolt slamming into the trunnion is loud too. That's why I sold my 10/22, just was too tinny and clacky with my silencer on it.
+--- 57908793
+>>57908134
+I see what youre saying. it seems like anecdotally bolt actions should be quieter. You already have a semi-auto, test that first. When I was a kid I used to run subsonics through my bolt action and I remember it being slightly louder than my pellet gun. Get on the waiting list for a can and experiment with subsonic while you wait. I think you'll find what you're looking for. If not, you can always take what you learned on the semi and apply that to a bolt.
+--- 57908845
+>>57908260
+currently in IL so i can't get a suppressor but I'm working on moving out of state. I'm seeing lots of people with NFA wait times of 30 days recently though so i have hope.
+>>57908793
+>>57908365
+thanks
+--- 57908856
+>>57862803 (OP)
+Im stuck between a cz457 ultra and ruger 10/22 for my 1st .22 rifle
+I have alot of other guns
+--- 57908922
+>>57908513
+Haha being a shill for a decent pistol isn't a bad thing. I bought one because of your post, and like it quite a bit. Thanks for the previous posts!
+Did you try a polymer bolt buffer on the 10/22? I've heard that those reduce the action noise a bit.
+--- 57908955
+>>57908922
+the 10/22 noise is the clack of the forward stroke. didn't help at all.
+Glad you got one. I swapped in a steel guide rod to mine (same part as the K100 works) and now I think I'm done modifying it.
+--- 57908961
+>>57908856 (me)
+Use cases will be plinking with a little hunting and easing new shooters into center fire rifles
+--- 57908985
+I just fucking love 22 bros
+--- 57908997
+>>57908955
+>the 10/22 noise is the clack of the forward stroke. didn't help at all.
+Huh, didn't know this.
+>Glad you got one. I swapped in a steel guide rod to mine (same part as the K100 works) and now I think I'm done modifying it.
+What's the benefit of the steel guide rod?
+--- 57909009
+>>57908985
+based
+--- 57909043
+>>57862803 (OP)
+tops been in for two
+my uncle took my granddads vintage henry pump that was supposed to go to me but oh well
+--- 57909086
+>>57908997
+I don't like polymer guide rods. No real reason other than that. Well, and I wanted to add some stuff to my order of parts from Estonia. Suppose it might make it smoother but I doubt it.
+When I had a P32 I had swapped to a steel one as well. Just scratches that austimo bit in my brain. Steel>polymer
+--- 57909146
+>>57864914
+Look into the Marlin 795. Its the Marlin model 60 but with box magazines instead of a tube. Also it actually uses box magazines instead of a rotary magazine like a Ruger 10/22. 
+
+ProMag makes 25 round mags for the Marlin 795 that actually work too. Never buy the transparent 25 round mags if you find them, the rolled up leaf spring in them is junk.
+--- 57910452
+>20 rounds of .17 WSM
+lads, i am in love
+--- 57911564
+OP here, I'm in the market for another .22. I know I've got the higgins that I can use, but I'd feel better about dumping thousands of rounds through a gun that isn't basically an heirloom, you know? Plus it's honestly a bit of a pain to get back together after I clean it. My budget is $600 but I'm not opposed to potentially spending more. My biggest concerns are reliability, accuracy, and ease of dissasembly/assembly. I'm most familiar with semi-autos but any platform will do
+--- 57911656
+>>57906270
+He has already has a 10/22, it's the one .22 he doesn't wanna give away
+If you have the impression that either of those are new or that he paid for them, you're mistaken
+--- 57911952
+>>57911564
+I'm aware I just posted this, but I was looking around and I found this beauty. Definitely getting it if I can, I've never bought a gun online though so that'll be interesting
+--- 57913189
+>>57908134
+I'll tell you in ~250 days. The pending/waiting period sucks; I just want to squirrel hunt without having these stupid fucking electronic muffs on. It'd be even better to have it by this summer; they're hell to wear in the coming heat.
+--- 57913259
+>>57906174
+Fucking move. Stop paying taxes to people who hate you.
+--- 57913264
+>>57908513
+They sell rubber buffers for 10/22s now. I have a Volquartsen one in my 10/22 which is pure plastic-y rubber. Might just be straight TPU or something. No metal center support pin it or anything. Still loud but less so. Wonder if anyone's done a sound comparison between the different buffer brands.
+
+>>57908845
+>I'm seeing lots of people with NFA wait times of 30 days recently though so i have hope.
+Yeah I saw 100 day waits in my state on this site. The overall is trending from 270 days down to 230 in recent days/weeks but hover over random states and you see ~100 days. I'm skeptical but hopeful as it'd be nice to be able to hunt and actually listen for animals like I'm used to. The electronic earmuffs are great but not perfect and often pick up things way in the distance but someone jogging towards you on gravel might not be picked up until they're 30 feet out for example (eg. while using public hunting land which isn't just for hunters).
+https://www.atfapproval.com/interactive-dashboard
+--- 57913269
+>>57907673
+Oh my god I want it so bad. I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it
+--- 57913314
+>>57908961
+I like my 10/22 for hunting. Have taken squirrels and groundhogs. Throw a Weaver 430T on top, use a Wheeler FAT to torque it right, and throw on any optic you want. I'm biased towards Leupold's poorfag rimfire stuff around $300. That took a rough fall (gun fell over in storage straight onto wood scope first) and didn't lose zero. I trust it a lot. Or throw a red dot on there. Or even just keep it irons only. Volquartsen parts are also cheap if you stick to the hammer kit, the extractor, auto bolt release, etc. Small luxuries.
+--- 57913329
+>>57910452
+Holy fuck, what is that?
+Also I am a huge shill for .17hmr but all I've heard about the .17wsm is that it has some kind of accuracy issue inherent to the cartridge. No one I know has figured out WHY but every time someone tried a comparison between pretty much identical rifles, but one in .17hmr and one in .17wsm, the former one always was crazy accurate and the latter always had strange shots that were all over the place.
+>>57911564
+Well what are you looking for. A Ruger American Rimfire in .22lr is flawless. The Savage Mark II is also very good.
+--- 57913350
+>>57913189
+>I just want to squirrel hunt without having these stupid fucking electronic muffs on
+.22lr from a rifle barrel is already only 140 dB at the muzzle, drops off further at the ear, and is even lower with subsonic ammo. Unless you're doing some high volume hunting, you'd still be within the OSHA daily limit for noise exposure.
+--- 57913378
+>>57913350
+WHAT? WHAT ABOUT THE OCEAN?
+--- 57913386
+>>57913378
+landlocked country in Southeast Asia
+--- 57913399
+>>57913350
+Eh, just the thought of it. I don't like EEEEE-ing myself if I have to take a second shot or I get two at a time or a few in a day. I'd like to limit my EEEEE as much as possible as there's nothing more frustrating than talking to some older guy who "WHAT"s you every 5 seconds because he shot or worked in an iron foundry or whatever and never wore ear pro. I don't want to be that guy. I like my hearing. And I want to hear shit like distant foxes making funny noises at night and CRTs EEEE-ing for many years to come. And there's nothing better than sneaking up on a squirrel eating a nut from 50+ yards out when you just catch a tiny noise.
+--- 57913428
+I want to thread my extremely rare free pistol. Someone stop me.
+--- 57913913
+>>57913399
+OSHA allows for up to 28 seconds of exposure at 140 dB per day. I wouldn't shoot at the range without earpro, but a few shots here and there for hunting isn't going to fuck you.
+--- 57913968
+>>57913329
+>Holy fuck, what is that?
+https://franklinarmory.com/f17-l/
+here have the link
+--- 57914125
+>>57913314
+alternatively you can just get rings that mount directly to the receiver. feels a little nicer on a stock without a cheek riser imo
+--- 57914183
+>>57863664
+I think the CZ bolts are really good looking guns, looking to get a 457 for my next purchase, or shell out for a 527.
+--- 57914189
+>>57914125
+I was looking for those as well but between trying to find the right size, a good brand, the right height, etc. I said fuck it. Any recommendations that aren't off-brand and are for a 10/22?
+--- 57914401
+>>57888595>>57888799
+
+its a hunting rifle made commercially for the civilian hunting market, not a military ww2 soldiers weapon. unfortunately they are fairly common and not worth a ton, people still love them for hunting today but its definitely more of a niche consumer. winchester collectors genrally dont really care about them due to the common chambering and the tactical new gun crowd dont really care for them because they see it as grandpas gun that has no way of installing modern scopes and sights or lights. the niche consumer for them are going to be collectors of old rifles in general or actual hunters or ranchers who like the cowboy look. they are worth between $400 and $1,000 depending on condition and year of manufacture and variation. if the buttplate is made of steel it is a pre 1964 model and more "collectible" then ones made more recently. it would be worth maybe $600-$1,000 dpending on condition. if the butt is plastic its made after 1964 and worth about $400-$600
+--- 57914422
+>>57895186
+yes lots. most competition style rifles are single loading bolt actions. plenty of models have been made through the years for beginners and children that are single shot bolt actions.
+--- 57914427
+>>57906125
+hawaii. its literally the most cucked state for guns in america besides new england. cali is actually not even on the top 10 states of cucked gun laws
+--- 57914441
+>>57906174
+based commies. how soon until they classify 'online posts about election legitimacy" or MAGA car sticker as violent extremism in your WA state dossier to preclude you from ownership? speaking of HIPAA access, oy vey, you didnt take the latest covid booster? DENIED.
+--- 57914487
+>>57914427
+pretty state shame its full of cucks

k/57867317.txt

@@ -513,3 +513,149 @@ he was an officier innit
 --- 57902645
 >>57881896
 She bears him a son and a daughter. The son eventually ends up fighting with the Confederacy.
+--- 57904018
+>>57902055
+Sharpe would probably just clock him out of tard rage and because he doesn't take shit from faggot nobles.
+--- 57904166
+>>57867317 (OP)
+What makes a good /k/ poster, then?
+--- 57904238
+>>57904166
+>the ability to fuck three deer a minute in any weather, sir.
+--- 57904253
+>>57873037
+Just like Flasman! something something book protagonist
+
+I'd think cad rapist Flashman would be more to 4chan's taste, but perhaps he's not racist enough (He'll bed any colour of female)
+--- 57904278
+>>57904253
+several mentions of flashman I see right after posting, oh well, teach me to ctrl-f
+--- 57904290
+>>57887124
+I really love to hate Simmerson
+--- 57904849
+>>57904238
+>deer
+how does ones gets into thats sorta things
+--- 57905080
+>>57871178
+Had some big names as well, Mark Strong, Pete Postlethwaite, Daniel Craig, Brian Cox, James Purefoy, Paul Bettany, Liz Hurley disrobing in one of the episodes (Sharpes Enemy)
+--- 57905226
+>>57904849
+>
+you just do
+--- 57905254
+>>57887124
+Obadiahs gettin nowt
+--- 57905488
+>>57867413
+Don't be a fag anon. If you actually read the books, most of his fights he either wins through tricks, dirty fighting or pure aggression. He got the cavalry saber after his first CO when he was a fresh LT died and gave it to him, and he keeps it because it suits his capabilities. 
+
+Any time he actually runs into a skilled duelist he's usually fucked and finds some way to get out of it.
+--- 57905723
+>>57867745
+Kek
+--- 57905760
+>>57871112
+Here’s mine, it has a slightly longer blade at 27” and has the earlier AN IX pattern hilt instead of the AN XI that you showed.
+--- 57906150
+>>57898691
+>>nigger actors
+NOOOO NOT THE COLOREDS
+--- 57906171
+>>57905760
+Neat. Where can I get one?
+--- 57906184
+>>57906150
+I hate to break it to you anon but 19th century Europe was not a multicultural paradise. 
+
+I want to see a remake of ZULU with half the tribesman played by whites and Asians
+--- 57906261
+>>57906184
+>I want to see a remake of ZULU with half the tribesman played by whites and Asians
+We all do.
+--- 57906265
+>>57906150
+This but unironically.
+--- 57906287
+>>57906261
+>this summer, idris elba is lt john shard. Also starring ryan reynolds as cetshwayo
+--- 57906317
+>>57906287
+>Zoe Saldana as Major Bromhead
+--- 57906856
+>>57904018
+sharpe doesn’t have issues with competent officers or nobles, and hornblower is hyper competent 
+he also isn’t a noble 
+
+>>57905488
+sharpe gets by by being an angry gutter born dirty fighting son of a bitch
+that’s not a slight on him, it’s just how he gets things done in a setting where the upper classes look down on such things
+--- 57906955
+>>57906856
+>he also isn’t a noble
+Hornblower came from a working class family but he marries Wellington's sister
+--- 57907004
+>>57906955
+that’s way at the end of his career though
+--- 57907678
+>>57906150
+Yes.
+--- 57908012
+>>57906955
+I need to read the books because at the end of the show he was stuck with that awful hag and her mother
+--- 57908078
+>>57908012
+Lol Hornblower fucks his away across Europe (and nearly the West Indies), I don't know what C.S. Forester was thinking, Lady Barbara is a dreamboat, there's no reason why Hornblower would be unfaithful. Maybe he though it would spice up the story, even though there are no sex scenes, it is all PG fade to black.
+
+>I need to read the books
+By all means do, other than the sailing bits a twelve year old could read them easily. And they go down like Pringles.
+--- 57908291
+>>57908012
+maria is just an unfortunate pitiable character
+she's even more piteous in the book
+i'm really sad they never filmed the rest of the books though, everybody was perfectly cast
+--- 57908758
+>>57872646
+The M16 with the M203. He just switches from HE to M576 for close engagements.
+--- 57908806
+>>57908291
+for me it was Styles and Mr. Bush
+--- 57908815
+>>57908078
+You what? I dont remember any of that, he had a wife and kid at home but they died.
+--- 57909437
+>>57908806
+styles and matthews are great but unfortunately they don't have much of a presence in the books
+--- 57910262
+>>57872935
+>in his tard rage and gutter fighting
+There really is something so primal about hitting people in the nuts while fighting.
+--- 57913175
+>>57906184
+Irish you say?!
+
+Black as bog those devilish Irishmen! BLACK! AS! BOG! NO TRICKS IRISHMAN! I WILL NOT HAVE IT!
+--- 57913206
+>>57867317 (OP)
+>rifleman 
+>bayonet 
+Anon...
+--- 57913513
+>>57867410
+Good content
+--- 57913854
+>>57872646
+South west (Essex) is rifles territory 
+
+They amalgamated loads of regiment's that wore green into 'the rifles' tragic loss of regimental pride and history really.
+--- 57913957
+>>57913854
+Their system is fucking retarded anyway.
+--- 57914259
+>>57913206
+the baker takes bayonets
+--- 57914500
+>>57913854
+it's tragic but pretty much every option is going to make people unhappy
+unless you reduce regiments to individual platoons but that's gotta mess with efficiency

k/57868019.txt

@@ -703,3 +703,229 @@ Dump pouches are very useful. Not only are they a happy medium between losing al
 --- 57903341
 >>57903267
 I wish Danner didn't put Goretex in EVERYTHING
+--- 57903876
+>>57901782
+Get a $10 condor dump pouch. I've been using the same one for over 10 years. It's just a bag
+--- 57903921
+>>57903267
+For mil or long hike use I'd drop goretex. For day trips it can be nice. But its generally not needed and ruins any chance if effective drying
+--- 57904345
+>>57903334
+>they also allow you to grab things like intel, spare mags and other goodies on the objective very quickly
+>intel
+kill yourself you pathetic video game playing manchild
+
+post a picture of yourself standing next to at least 5 people you killed in combat with the 'intel' you gathered
+--- 57904565
+>>57902785
+k tomás
+--- 57904767
+>>57901782
+Cordura, holds shape mo bedda
+--- 57904778
+>>57903334
+Dipshit, hes not saying theyre not good hes saying some are better than others. 
+>>57903876
+Be better. Maxpedition.
+--- 57904798
+>>57901782
+2 instances. Rookie numbers. If you were in at least 1 proper social media group youd see so many theyd start to blend. The very very common ones are the magnetic charger burning car cigarette lighter looking holes through guys jean pockets and their cars seats. Join some snobbish group where suit talking and shaming is encouraged. If you join a circlejerk hugbox then you wont see anything worthwile or noteworthy.
+--- 57904894
+>>57868019 (OP)
+Is there finally in 2023 some Rhodesian brushstroke stuff available (bdus, shirts, chest rigs, anything) or is it still the same situation as 10 years ago where it's either unobtainium or overpriced?
+
+I find it crazy that some manufacturers picked up obscure camos just because they know it's popular (based Helikon-Tex related), but Rhodesian brushstroke remains a rarity.
+--- 57905314
+Should I use rit dye to turn my multicam gear into multicam tropic or buy all new gear?
+
+Saw this pic on the local news recently and these guys are using multicam tropic
+--- 57905466
+Vans as kit y/n? Shoothouse / dynamic drills kinda stuff.
+--- 57905483
+>>57904894
+Helikon Tex is making brushstroke now, dude.
+--- 57905494
+>>57902032
+its shit and your ifak is upside down
+--- 57905543
+>>57905483
+>pants and shorts
+
+That's a start.
+--- 57905679
+>>57902032
+Those double molle belts are annoying and it's probably better just to get a normal belt and attach pouches with velcro one-wrap or malice. Those medical pouches are designed to dump down whenever you pull the cable also so you don't have to contort reaching around to fish stuff out. If you keep it the way it is make sure it's not locked into the actual molle slots so you can slide it around on the belt.
+>>57905494
+Nigger
+--- 57906378
+>>57905483
+Too bad their shorts are absolute dogshit, the worst I've ever owned.
+--- 57906402
+>>57905466
+Cringe. Retarded. Larpy. If you’re going to be using skate shoes (SUSPECT), there are dozens of better choices than sk8-his
+--- 57906424
+>>57906402
+I saw Slade wearing them and got them. Yes im a faggot larper. They look nice with Cryes tho.
+--- 57906650
+>>57904565
+not even close
+--- 57906858
+>>57905314
+regular multicam is more versatile since there's more brown. Even in some of the pics from the scene, the tropic isn't blending as well as the regular multcam. But if you do dye it, post results.
+--- 57907033
+>>57868062
+What did Agilite do?
+--- 57907204
+>>57906858
+fella with nods checking the sun to see if it's dark out yet
+--- 57907353
+>>57906858
+>>57907204
+>Whatcha lookin' at, Steve?
+>Just checking to see if it's going to get dark.
+>What? It's 2 in the afternoon.
+>Yeah, but it might suddenly get cloudy or something. The forecast said "partly cloudy."
+>I don't understand what you're getting at, Steve.
+>It might become dark and we'll need to use our NODs to maintain situational awareness.
+>What? We're just taking the dog for a walk so he can take a shit. Get a grip, dude.
+>You'll be sorry if it gets dark suddenly, bro.
+--- 57907944
+>>57904798
+Yeah bad batteries are bad regardless of the tube they're held in
+--- 57908319
+>>57904345
+It's a standard part of actions on objective, you would know that if you were ever an infantryman.
+--- 57908574
+>>57906378
+How can you fuck up shorts? What's wrong with them?
+--- 57908617
+>>57906424
+>Slade
+--- 57908628
+>>57906424
+lmao Slade. Jesus dude get outside some.
+--- 57908837
+>>57908617
+>>57908628
+hes aite. guy is comfymaxxing his gear.
+--- 57909142
+>>57907033
+Made in Vietnam from Chinese materials at >$300/carrier, which is absurd.
+Shitty design, for lots of reasons.
+Astroturfing + six gorillion fake reviews.
+There's more, but you can start there.
+--- 57909237
+>>57908837
+He's a retard and if you actually listen to anything he says over someone like Brent0331, you're also a retard. That CQB video when he's literally sliding around is just laughably bad.
+--- 57909277
+>>57907944
+No dipshit, the rechargeable magnet charging gimmicky chump bait that idiots that look like >>57908617 buy
+Do not fucking have removable batteries do you understand?
+--- 57909280
+>>57909237
+To add to this, GWOT Era ex mil guys are trained and performed in a different battlefield than what the common person would be experiencing. They assume they will have infinite resources, air support, air superiority, squad mates backing them up, etc. etc... Whereas someone like>>57909237
+>Brent0331
+Is much more useful to listen to since he is teaching actual survival/evasion skills.
+--- 57909346
+>>57901782
+I don't recommend Olight but the "exploding Olight" thing is just what happens when you use two (outdated, volatile) CR123 batteries with a voltage mismatch. It's documented fact that was the cause of the "exploded in mouth" case. The solution is not to ditch Olight; the solution is to stop using sucky batteries that only got a stranglehold on tactical gear because they were the only things that gave enough power *decades* ago.
+
+All the lights in a two-CR123 form factor worth getting today also take 18650s. Single CR123 less available 16340/18350 replacements but they're much less likely to catastrophically fail than two cells in series.
+--- 57909351
+>>57909277
+They sell lights with replaceable batteries.
+--- 57909355
+>>57905679
+You're a fucking lazy stupid idiot who never thought to google, "how to attach, whatever man. Recommend lazy cheap shit and these threads will stay full of stupid answers and cheap shit.
+--- 57909446
+>>57909237
+>devgru operator 
+vs
+>some grunt with one deployment that runs a militia program for fat americans
+i know what you're trying to say but you're fucking retarded, dude.
+--- 57909803
+>>57909446
+Brent has multiple deployments as an infantryman. It's your loss. If you want to think sliding around with skate shoes is a real CQB technique, then go ahead.
+--- 57910056
+>>57868019 (OP)
+I have an old pair of waterproof hunting coveralls from the 1980s that haven't failed me, how stupid of an idea would it be to sew in knee pads and add a couple extra pockets for deltoid storage/wiring/patch/etc like a ghetto raid mod? I really don't want to replace what I have since they work so well.
+--- 57910132
+Have you retards considered that guys like Brent and guys like Slade might both have some valuable info? Take from them what's useful to you and disregard anything that's not.
+
+>>57909346
+I know what you're saying, but I still don't see any reason to buy Olight over Streamlight when it comes to budget lights. Olight's handhelds are poorly designed and their weapon lights are straight up garbage.
+--- 57910189
+>>57890952
+Hooks are nice, sit very flat. I have them on my DM PC. Recently started using GTSR buckles cus I got a Spiritus MKV.
+
+Not really an appreciable difference besides the fact that buckles are quicker to swap out if you're into that thing. The hooks seem like they would be the better option if you are keeping it permanent. 
+
+I however will often take my placard off and run it as a chest rig because I dont have a standalone chest rig.
+--- 57910695
+Anyone have any pant recommendations?
+--- 57911054
+>>57910695
+yeah, ideally ones made of fabric and that fit you
+--- 57911093
+>>57906858
+They look like paramilitary and not even police in that camo and the mag carriers with ARs on slings.
+--- 57911563
+>>57910695
+Used fjallraven pants off eBay or a used clothes site.
+--- 57911704
+>>57877111
+>radio
+What's the next step up from uv-5r?
+--- 57911740
+>>57911704
+A yaesu VX-7R on analog or a used Motorola XTS 5000 if you wanna go digital and use encryption.
+--- 57911741
+>>57911704
+AR-15210W
+--- 57912685
+>>57911740
+VX-6R*
+
+>>57911741
+That's not a step up, that's the same radio with a big ass battery.
+--- 57912754
+>>57912685
+It’s quite literally a step up in every way, hardware-wise
+--- 57912944
+>>57912754
+No, it's a UV-5R in a big green plastic case with a big ass battery. It's still a 128 channel, slow as fuck to scan, deaf to anything but repeaters piece of shit. It still uses the same RDA1846S chip as the UV-5R. It will die if you drop it in a puddle because it has zero water protection.
+--- 57913183
+the nice thing about baofengs is that they frequency unlocked out of the box. you can mod a lot of other radios for extended coverage but ymmv. if you want to flex you need a mbitr
+--- 57913522
+>>57913183
+The newer ones are frequency locked now because the FCC slapped the importers on the wrist for selling them unlocked, but you can just google how to do a factory reset and get it unlocked. I've done a MARS mod on a radio before (ICOM IC-V80) and it wasn't difficult. I just had to dig up the how-to information online, disassemble the radio, and knock off one tiny resistor with an exacto knife. I can't speak to other radios but that seems to be the common method to unlock ICOM radios at least, just removing a resistor.
+--- 57913543
+>>57913522
+im partial to yaesu myself but ive never tried to mars mod them
+--- 57913586
+>>57913543
+I think it's a similar story (remove "this" resistor) with their radios as well, at least the older ones. The newer handhelds can be unlocked with a key combination when doing a factory reset from what I'm seeing.
+--- 57913823
+>>57879283
+Anyone know about this?
+--- 57913844
+>>57904894
+Nah, its fucking everywhere now. There are bunch of chink BDUs on ebay and platatac did a crye uniform in it a few months back; though including postage from aus their shit costs more than actual crye so I guess that would count as overpriced. Plus there's helikon like you say and a number of small manufacturers like parashooter gear and that pajeet vajina concepts brand who do limited runs of gear in it to order. Brushstroke is never going to be in the position of for example M81, where its something many major gear companies often offer as standard because of its popularity; but it is 100% already in the position that desert night camo was ~5 years ago as a suddenly oversaturated meme camo.
+--- 57914051
+>>57908319
+>intel
+>intel
+It's called "int" not "intel" and the process is called "site sensitive exploitation" you colossal neverserved. Never reply to one of my posts again.
+--- 57914075
+>>57910056
+If you’ve been out in them for multiple days in a row with no issues, then fuck yeah, do it. I’m considering the Walls Coveralls mod myself. Post results
+--- 57914491
+Does anyone know where I can find something similar to the Skin Tag by Lunar Concepts?
+
+Also, my girlfriend owns a cricket so I wanted to see if anyone knows where to find the files for something similar to RangerWrap products.
+--- 57915074
+>>57910132
+>Have you retards considered that guys like Brent and guys like Slade might both have some valuable info? 
+of course they havent. if you play dressup in a way which makes you look like a modern devgru guy (except the physical body shape, of course) then you're team Slade. if you're broke and buy vietnam era shit off of eBay, then you're team brent. 
+Duh..
+also lmao @ retards comparing a 10 year DEVGRU guy to a fucking marine 0331 that you come across in every Walmart.

k/57871837.txt

@@ -572,3 +572,347 @@ Bumping because I hate black people
 --- 57903555
 >>57903534
 lmao
+--- 57903725
+>>57902067
+Whats with europeans still obsessing over bayonets on rifles?
+--- 57903790
+>>57901906
+You could gouge thier eyes out with that overly aggressive brake ...or (crazy idea, I know) just shoot them.
+--- 57903795
+>>57903725
+Napoleon Syndrome (size issues).
+--- 57903878
+>>57903725
+Bayonets are cool
+--- 57903937
+>>57903725
+Bayonets look sex and also knives are a popular weapon of choice here, your average conscript is much more likely to know how to shank somebody than shoot a gun :^)
+--- 57904103
+>>57903112
+>What's the most reliable AR-10 you can get?
+LMT or KAC.
+>Are LMT or KAC worth it?
+Yes.
+
+I got great feedback from both, and myself shot LMTs quite a lot. Two friends own a 300BLK PDW and a 13" .308, aside from replacing stocks they didn't change any single part, and they run wonderfully well with any ammo and suppressor at any time of the year. It's been a few years now, not a single issue to report. Neither make use of the quick barrel change, which is a big selling point to many, but they were both more interested in the ambi lower, which is indeed really nice.
+--- 57904159
+>>57903725
+Knives are cool.
+Guns are cool.
+Gunknife = ???
+I'm just too dumb to figure it out.
+--- 57904190
+>>57873457
+>The resident SIG shill graces us with his presence.
+He that's me! Nah, I haven't posted since sunday, been to busy trying to have a normal life, or the fake trappings of one. Good to know I live rent free in your head.
+--- 57904243
+>>57904159
+You can do it.
+--- 57905215
+>>57903725
+>Whats with europeans still obsessing over bayonets on rifles?
+They're not allowed to evolve into modern firearms so have to still mix in knives.
+--- 57905387
+>>57877765
+MW2 is what made me want a FAL lmao
+--- 57905724
+>>57903725
+Anon I..
+--- 57905884
+Built a poor man's G3SG knock-off to deal with 30-50 feral hogs. The piggers are fucking everywhere around where I live, and it's only a matter of time before they start going door-to-door murdering/eating the townsfolk. Wish me luck bros.
+--- 57905971
+I'm torn on deciding on an optic for my sfar boys. Part of me says to go acog+dot to keep it light but I also think maxing out at 4x might not allow me to get the most out of the big boy round. What do you lads think?
+--- 57906013
+>>57873457
+>dat wood
+>dat p7
+Oh fuckin rock me amadeus.
+--- 57906473
+>>57905884
+Godspeed.
+--- 57906632
+>>57898919
+a red dot, and nothing else
+--- 57906647
+>>57905884
+>Built a poor man's G3SG knock-off to deal with 30-50 feral hogs.
+We call that a PoorSG-1 round these parts
+--- 57906652
+>>57905884
+He knows what's coming
+--- 57906663
+>>57904243
+That’s a stupid design, you have to sheath your knife to reload your gun.
+--- 57906677
+>>57906632
+What about a red dot as a backup optic mounted above or on a 45• angle with a scope which is what I’m gonna do?
+--- 57906687
+>>57906677
+Why? Can’t get to the gym enough?
+--- 57906821
+>>57906677
+Only if the scope is a fixed 8x or 10x or greater. Chances are you won't have to use the rifle outside of scope distance but within red dot distances for piggers. Anything up to 6x can comfortably be used out to 100 yards, 3x can be comfortably used almost down to hallway distances. I would unironically recommend a LPVO (which I never do), a 3-9x would be perfect for that application. What distances are you planning on shooting from? Have you ever practiced point shooting with no optic at all?
+--- 57906836
+>>57906687
+>he thinks an AR-10 is heavy
+--- 57906845
+>>57906647
+>>57905884
+Wrong picture, wrong furniture
+--- 57906887
+>>57905971
+What ranges are you typically shooting at? If it's within 250yds, a 4x is plenty. Higher magnification at distances beyond that is only partially to help you shoot the target accurately, it's also for target identification, estimating range, and seeing hits and misses. If you're within 250, you can probably do all that with a 4x with no problem.
+--- 57906902
+>>57906836
+My PTR weighs more than that no optic or rails.
+--- 57906912
+>>57906902
+I'm drowning in proof
+--- 57906982
+>>57906902
+how
+--- 57907015
+>>57906887
+That's a good point anon, I live innacity and I think the closest outdoor range has a max distance of 300 yds. I mostly bought the sfar to replace my ar because I wanted to sling a bigger bullet so honestly most of my what-if scenarios are probably 200 yds and in
+--- 57907070
+>>57906982
+Teutonic weight is how. Germans and the things they design are incredibly dense.
+--- 57907254
+>>57907070
+We are dense, expect dense products
+--- 57907337
+>>57871837 (OP)
+--- 57908169
+>>57907015
+>200 yards and in
+A 4x will give you more than enough magnification for that, I say go for it. I shoot my 3x from 50 out to 200 yards with no issue
+--- 57908254
+>>57906687
+Did you reply to the wrong post or misunderstand mine? Because I’m saying that red dots only are dumb and don’t utilize the power of 7.62x51 NATO. A MPVO+dot would be heavier than just a dot. In fact the scope I’m eying is gonna be 1lb.
+>>57906821
+>fixed
+Look I like ACOGs but cmon.
+> What distances are you planning on shooting from?
+Anywhere between 6-600 yards or beyond.
+> Have you ever practiced point shooting with no optic at all?
+I don’t like iron sights.
+--- 57908489
+>>57901628
+>That FN-FAL
+My love, where have you been my whole life?
+--- 57908552
+>>57908254
+>how would /brg/ set up this rifle
+>but not like that
+This is your brain on (You)
+--- 57908614
+>>57908552
+NTA but the set up question was mine. Just got a Sig 716i and on the fence.
+--- 57908652
+>>57908614
+>false flag
+My bad
+--- 57908669
+>>57898919
+Flash light, LPVO, sling. Maybe a red dot or back up irons if you live in the city or plan to use it for home defense. It's not a precision rifle so a bipod won't do you much good. Can't use night vision without a red dot. Can't use night vision with out a lazer system of some kind. Simple is best. If you were going to use it with Night Vision, I wouldn't bother with a laser system, just an EoTech and magnifier.
+--- 57908709
+>>57908614
+Start simple, then go with your needs over time. A Geiessle trigger, or even a LaRue MDT trigger. Ambi charging handle. A sling. Cheap but worth while upgrades.
+--- 57908756
+>>57908652
+All good fren. 
+>>57908669
+Solid advice. Bigly agree. 
+>>57908709
+Got a Geissele set aside already. Can I get a sling rec? I’m used to AK surplus slings and the Vickers AK sling. Charging handle I’ll just get the Sig ambi.
+--- 57908799
+>>57908756
+>Can I get a sling rec?
+All the top ones work, but I do recommend getting the QD ones, even if they are a bit more expensive. You can buy QD cups and a regular sling, but the regular slings have a lot of extra slack that hangs loose.
+--- 57908846
+>>57908756
+>Can I get a sling rec?
+--- 57909019
+>>57908552
+If you’re gonna spend a dollar a round why not utilize its long range capability instead of just shooting at 1X? I only have a red dot on my rifle but that’s because I’m saving up for a scope.
+
+>>57908756
+I’m running a Vickers padded sling with magpul QD mounts
+--- 57909056
+>>57875547
+What are those 2 black things on either side of the rail?
+--- 57909666
+wut dis
+--- 57909684
+>>57909056
+Grip
+>>57909666
+Thing that keeps the rail locked into the barrel nut.
+Figures you get those numbers considering sig sewer is run by a jew.
+--- 57909689
+>>57833994 →
+Here she is, boys.
+--- 57909746
+>>57909689
+-A better not-aero barrel with the bare minimum length of sixteen inches like Faxon, Noveske or Criterion 
+-something 2-10 or above magnification
+--- 57909960
+>>57909746
+>bare minimum length of sixteen inches
+Nyet, 12.5 was the whole point of this shitty build.
+>2-10 or above
+Working on it. Acog is just on there in the meantime.
+--- 57909976
+>>57908169
+Thanks anon!
+>3x
+Nice, which one did you get?
+--- 57910030
+How important is bolt gap in HK/Cetme rifles? I built one and gapped it at .015 and didn't take into account the settle in from my poor building skills and the gap shrank to .006. still functions well and ejects nicely but I'm a little worried.
+--- 57910035
+>>57910030
+Bolt gap is a matter of life and death.
+--- 57910062
+>>57910035
+How much is required? I've seen wildly varying amounts from .004 to .025 being within spec and others say .012 to .018 so I'm either barely within spec or wildly outside of it.
+--- 57910137
+>>57909056
+>What are those 2 black things on either side of the rail?
+Side foregrips. Originally got them because this was kind of a silly build where I wanted to try lots of different stuff with a different gun. Found they're actually surprisingly decent, work better paired somewhat elastic sling, so have opted to keep it and toss an an extraneous wml underneath. yt if you want to see it in use a little better:
+>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnD4KumkQ8o [Embed] [Embed]
+And then my ocd autism compelled me to stick on one the other side for symmetry and when I want to use it offhand.
+
+It's weird and isn't perfect but it's been a fun change. Somewhat different muscle use. Worse/harder bag selection is a downside, and with side rail bit have to double check the attachment nut is good and not crossthread it.
+--- 57910138
+>>57904103
+Thanks for the reply anon, I'll probably pick up an lmt and an sr25 upper later if it tickles my fancy
+--- 57910169
+>>57909960
+>muzzle and gas block covered by the handguard
+You should sell your barrel for something better or at least 14.5
+--- 57910182
+>>57909689
+Yeah, that's a meme build alright. The Acog is wasted on that build but don't let your meme's be dreams.
+--- 57910196
+>>57909689
+mildly disappointed you didn't go for the hpvo lol. good for you tho anon.
+--- 57910803
+>>57910169
+I at least have to try it out first, then maybe I'll consider taking this build more seriously.
+>>57910196
+I do want to get an hpvo eventually, acog is just there because I already had it.
+--- 57910912
+>>57910803
+Short barreled ARs are a meme which I regret getting. Sure 12.5 308 will have better velocity than 12.5 556 obviously but you should go with a long barrel.
+There’s a guy in /bst/ who wants to sell his credo 2-10 which is good and I haven’t bought it because I dont have the loose change.
+--- 57910982
+>>57910912
+I have an austistic obsession with SBRs, I love my MK18 and mini draco. I also love 30 cal so I wanted to combine them despite the obvious drawbacks. I do see myself replacing the barrel in the future, but it won't be too much longer. Maybe something like the 13.5" bull barrel the one other anon mentioned before. I like 14.5" too tho, so that might be my final decision. Just fucking around and finding out for now.
+>credo 2-10 in /bst/
+Thanks for the heads up, might jump on that.
+--- 57911580
+>>57910912
+>Short barreled ARs are a meme which I regret getting
+if 8.6 got popular and keltec or someone did a 12" bullpup in it would be a little interested depending on how it performed. or if dt ever fixed the mdr so it could do 300bo micron. kinda agree with you tho sbr in ar form feels like you sacrifice a lot but dont even get something hyper compact like the p90 or whatever are.
+--- 57911722
+>>57911580
+>if 8.6 got popular
+--- 57911811
+>>57911580
+>if 8.6 got popular
+I was so upset I rushed to fun post without explaining my self. No, we don't need more meme cartridges tagged with high prices paired with minor performance gains over what's currently out there. If you want a .30cal easy to suppress firearm, get an AK. In fact, we need less cartridge variety, more of the good stuff and reduced prices. Didn't you learn anything from the Kungflu? 
+
+When SHTF every fudd, normie and slowpoke rushed out and bought anything common until they're broke. Bullet companies stopped making cartridges that didn't sell and focused on what people wanted. The weird cartridges no one shoots like .45long colt and .220swift were left behind. I myself only keep 1,000rounds in reserve should something happen, but if something DID happen, I would still rush out and buy 8,000rounds AsAp. Others have the same mind set. When it comes to firearms, common is good, abundance is good. You don't want to be a special snowflake.
+--- 57911909
+>>57911722
+>>57911811
+>tagged with high prices
+Anon the point would be that if it got popular it wouldn't be high priced right? If not no one will care. I don't think that anon or anyone else plan to be early adopters. It's like 300bo, the point of it is economics, not that it's the best. Like, everyone said "DURR 300MEMEOUT". But 300 achieved critical mass, it suppresses well, achieves complete burn in <10", and you can buy it starting at like 52cpr now. So I'd consider it.
+>Didn't you learn anything from the Kungflu?
+Anon, I own exactly 3 (non curios) cartridges right now: 22lr, 9mm, and 308. That's it. I have plenty stocked. You can accuse me of a lot but not being unconservative with my ammo. Adding a single 4th fun one to this mix is not something I think you can reasonably claim would be a problem here. 300bo would be the natural choice if there was a gun I wanted in it, just because it'd work with my existing 30cal cans (and I can't confuse it for 5.56 since I have none). But if in another 5-8 years 8.6bo ended up getting down below 150cpr I don't see why it'd be wrong to consider it and I genuinely don't understand why it triggers people so hard, nor 300. Yeah technically 308 has subsonic options but they need twists to stabilize that I don't have and are truly crazy priced.
+--- 57911966
+>>57911909
+>Adding a single 4th fun one to this mix is not something I think you can reasonably claim would be a problem here.
+When or if you decide to take that leap, do it with 10mm, 762x39, .357mag, .44mag not with 8.6meme. Stick to what works and is plentiful. Also, no 5.56? Are you even AMERICAN?
+--- 57912040
+>>57909960
+>Acog is just on there in the memetime.
+--- 57912064
+>>57912040
+Kek
+--- 57912077
+>>57906912
+>he stole my scale
+Watching you now. Be careful because I have a 0.0 3d printed titanium AR10 grip.
+--- 57912092
+>>57906663
+>everybody's a critic
+--- 57912116
+>>57911966
+>When or if you decide to take that leap, do it with 10mm, 762x39, .357mag, .44mag not with 8.6meme. Stick to what works and is plentiful.
+But I already have what works and is plentiful. I'm not interested in any of those, none of them do anything different. I'd rather add something new if I'm adding anything at all. And again, you could have said the same thing about 300bo 10 years ago too. But now it works and is plentiful right?
+>Also, no 5.56? Are you even AMERICAN?
+.308 was American first by decades! I don't need 5.56 when I've got a BR!
+--- 57912128
+>>57912116
+>I don't need 5.56 when I've got a BR!
+--- 57912137
+>>57912116
+>I don't need 5.56 when I've got a BR!
+--- 57912268
+>>57911966
+>Stick to what works and is plentiful
+All but two of my pistols use completely different rounds from each other and half are turd shelf or online purchase only
+--- 57912309
+>>57912116
+>I don't need 5.56 when I've got a BR!
+--- 57912445
+>>57912268
+--- 57912509
+>>57912116
+>I don't need 5.56 when I've got a BR!
+Truly a patrician's choice
+--- 57912723
+>>57901989
+Holy shit, small world. I'm 99% sure I met the guy who invented that as Tower City is close to me. Had the chance to buy one from him but never did. Or maybe that was a bayonet to light adapter, I forget.
+--- 57912743
+>>57905387
+Yeah I gotta just get one already. Completely forgot how much I loved the FAL in that game.
+--- 57912752
+>>57912723
+Cool, my dad works at Tower Records.
+--- 57912763
+>>57905884
+How much did that B&T adapter cost? Is it good or shit?
+
+>>57906647
+Who's that stock/cheek riser from and how much was it?
+--- 57912827
+>>57908756
+>Can I get a sling rec?
+Seconding Magpul. If you have those fancy QD sockets, go with this one. It is cheaper at Cabelas and probably less at other places. I use it on a B-TM 10/22 for hunting. It killed me to pay $60 for it but fuck is it good. The quick adjust for length is really nice when hunting. I barely have any Magpul shit and I'm not a massive fan of theirs but I really like that sling. https://magpul.com/ms4-qdm-sling.html?mp_global_color=118
+--- 57912846
+>>57901906
+>he doesnt stomp his enemies to death with his rifles intergrated ugg boot
+ngmi sempai
+--- 57912858
+>>57912752
+>nothing interesting ever happens
+--- 57913119
+https://files.catbox.moe/piua69.mp4
+
+M1A bros...
+--- 57913298
+>>57911909
+You ever watch those uke videos where the guy has another guy load his mags? 
+>Uhhhhh I only have a mix of 300blk, 30 supercarry, some swedish meatballs, and a full can of 6.5 creedmoor, the one gun that shot it is broken...
+Luckily you have one excuse: we get to help figure out what will be next after 5.56 and 7.62. Let's not waste any components on obvious meme shit. There is a caliber for every game animal and self defense possibility already out there, why do we need one more unless it is better in every way imaginable? 
+
+Example is +2 rounds per mag is a meme and can be done by extending the mags themselves or reloading. We don't need that shit. Go do most all of the R&D before selling us shit.
+>UHuhuh it goes bang it's so cool lets shill this!
+Cartridge not needed. Components desperately needed. The fact manufacturers haven't been able to find something to replace 5.56 and 7.62 in so many decades is proof enough that they are a bunch of gay muscles with no brains.
+--- 57913426
+>>57913119
+CIA if I ever...
+--- 57914774
+fal bump

k/57877683.txt

@@ -540,3 +540,98 @@ Amen. Especially among LE agencies. Not gonna get deployed to Ramadi.
 --- 57903644
 >>57897625
 Who said I was being ironic?
+--- 57903669
+>>57903644
+Who said I was. I would never buy an FDE gun.
+--- 57904227
+>>57902007
+Based.
+--- 57906798
+>>57887068
+dunno but i absolutely believe gangsters will hear about 5.7 being able to pierce kevlar and then buy the 5.7 ammo that cannot pierce vests
+--- 57907179
+When the house is empty, I'll play pretend CT or post-apocalyptic survivor with my home defense guns while they're loaded. I'll point them out of the window at neighbors' windows and stuff, but I think it's okay because I always keep my finger off of the trigger. I'm just too lazy to unload them first and I don't like having to unload and then reload with the same cartridge.
+--- 57909759
+Sent a 7.62x39 steel core penetrator sailing through my door and into my wall a few years back. Funny enough noone ever called the cops about it since I live in a ghetto.
+
+ladies and gentlemen, always triple check your chamber.
+--- 57911674
+>>57907179
+>"Hon, the neighbors angrily peaking out of his windows with an AR again, should I finally call the cops?"
+--- 57911846
+>>57890553
+Looks like you're doing better than him.
+>prioritize capacity above all else
+--- 57911853
+I haven't shot any guns since before covid except for one night I shot 3 .410 shells off my back porch while heavily intoxicated.
+--- 57912069
+my only firearm is a $200 22lr revolver
+--- 57912361
+>>57912069
+Let me guess, it's a heritage?
+Still puts you ahead of 80% of /k/ users
+--- 57912406
+>>57912361
+yep, my lil plinker
+--- 57912420
+>>57912069
+I bought a used Taurus Model 25 Princess for $100, with a fitz-ed trigger guard. You did fine.
+--- 57912435
+>>57891072
+Yea but those were like .69 caliber
+--- 57912474
+>>57912406
+Nice. My mother owned one, the firing pin was fucked up though so it light striked almost every round
+pic rel are my little plinking guns
+--- 57912583
+>I don’t own any guns anymore.
+>This and /out/ are my main boards
+
+>used to own guns
+>live in Australia
+>move out of parents place and start renting
+>organised with landlord for gun safe, after fuckton of ums and aahs and reassurance that I will patch holes up afterwards they’re okay with it
+>brief current housemates on it.
+>one didn’t like that police could just show up whenever to inspect safe.
+>one asked where I’d be keeping the keys in case of emergency
+> tell them both I’ll pay an extra $20 a week for inconvenience.
+>fucking mountain of paperwork to fill in and get approved.
+>process sucked.
+>didn’t end up shooting for about half a year cause busy, and could never line up pest shooting on any nearby farms with buddy
+>room gets broken into twice so someone told one of their junky friends.
+>move guns back to parents place.
+>years pass
+>tell parents to sell guns cause they don’t shoot them either since kids moved out.
+--- 57912813
+I've always thought carry handles looked retarded, I don't care if your daddy carried one in 'nam.
+--- 57913001
+>>57877930
+When a target is moving, that alone fucks up anyone who relies on this sentiment alone
+The reason why mag dumping has become so common is due to the calibers being used (9mm especially). While they will kill someone if 'hit where it counts', more often than not when a hostile is charging/moving your shots are going to strike non-vitals more often than not
+Compared with calibers that bring more stopping power, you can trust them to incapacitate a hostile with a single shot even with less than ideal shot placement
+--- 57913112
+>>57912583
+Seems to be where the slippery slope leads. Sucks, man. When I was younger I used to wonder why the NRA are basically like "Every man has the right to a cannon and a rocket launcher" but now I fully agree that the battle needs to be fought there.
+--- 57913887
+I’m almost 23 and I still don’t know how to zero an optic correctly. Every time I’ve mounted one, it seems to be at an angle. Every time I’ve tried to zero one, I get about 3 inches away from zero, and whatever I try next just fucks it up even more, or the POI doesn’t change. I could rotate windage 180* and the POI won’t change, and then some other time I move it a cunt hair and it moves 5 inches. I’m being completely serious when I say I have no fucking clue how to do it. Seen hundreds of tutorials, even had people try to show me in person, I just can’t get it figured out. Everyone tells me a completely different method that contradicts the previous method I see, and I never know which one is right. It’s such a simple task, but I just can’t do it. From shitty air rifles scopes when I was 14 to red dots on my AR, I just can’t figure it out. It’s humiliating, what am I not getting? Am I cursed to walk this barren earth with unzeroed optics until the end of time? Am I just retarded? This problem haunts me.
+--- 57914150
+>>57913887
+try doing it cold bore
+zero at 10y for pistols, 50y for rifles
+only move the dial one (1) singular click for every adjustment
+make sure your optic is mounted right in the first place
+--- 57914241
+>>57914150
+How would I zero it cold bore? How would I know the point of impact?
+--- 57914282
+>>57892202
+I’ve learned long ago that if your job requires any mental health screening never see a doctor for any mental or emotional issue. Just bottle it up inside or self-medicate.
+--- 57914428
+>>57912474
+The light strike issue is not uncommon in the heritage plinkers. They are fun hot garbage.
+>>57912406 should at least upgrade to a Ruger version if you want to use it defensively
+--- 57914941
+>>57913887
+Grab a bag you can rest the rifle on, or steal a pillow from your couch and set up this target at 25yd
+
+https://www.amazon.com/Chrs-Sajnog-Sight-Targets-100-Yard/dp/B075ZLJ3K6

k/57879913.txt

@@ -814,3 +814,57 @@ It's like seeing a washed out homeless beggar bragging about their high school d
 --- 57903595
 >>57902452
 Maybe this is the ultimate camouflage technique. Make it so hideous to look at that you subconsciously avoid seeing it.
+--- 57904658
+>>57903518
+>and in reality they were weaker than France
+--- 57904689
+>>57879913 (OP)
+Germans were ahead of the curve with a lot of things during the war, tanks, rockets, automatic rifles, helmets, helicopters and yes, camouflage
+>>57879918
+No they lost because the most powerful nations in the world mobilised themselves for total war against Germany
+--- 57904816
+>>57904658
+Yes they were. If the frogs had not left the Ardennes unprotected, France wouldn't have fell even with their backwards WW1 thinking about aviation and tanks. Even Poland could have become a disaster without the Soviets invading them from the other side.
+France fell because their retarded leadership and doctrine, not because it was weak in manpower, tech or quality of sodiers. 
+>At the Nuremberg trials, German military commander Alfred Jodl said that "if we did not collapse already in the year 1939 that was due only to the fact that during the Polish campaign, the approximately 110 French and British divisions in the West were held completely inactive against the 23 German divisions."[20] General Siegfried Westphal stated that if the French had attacked in force in September 1939 the German army "could only have held out for one or two weeks".[21]
+--- 57905888
+>>57879918
+>>Is that why they lost?
+Still seething and malding almost 100 years later, im gonna call it an axis W just for that.
+--- 57905899
+>>57879913 (OP)
+The best camo?
+--- 57905904
+>>57905888
+>Still seething and malding almost 100 years later
+--- 57905976
+>>57904816
+>Germany was totally inferior to the French army
+--- 57906080
+>>57905976
+Here you go, retard, learn something about how the germans were able to defeat the french, besides muh aryan supermen bs.
+--- 57906779
+>>57889130
+But he didn't say that, he said it was ahead of the curve and loads of people pointed out that's not true. If you don't want people pointing out how wrong you are, try being right.
+--- 57908795
+>>57905899
+That’s field grey
+--- 57911565
+>>57905904
+ywnbaw
+--- 57911588
+>>57881396
+ah yes from all the infamous german spy rings that happened before and during the war like the eight that landed on a submarine of which two then turned themselves in to hoover and revealed there was no spy rings lmao
+--- 57911808
+>>57905904
+The fate that awaits you leftypol tourists.
+--- 57911998
+>>57879913 (OP)
+Losing in style
+--- 57912006
+>>57911588
+It could be a genius plan if you think about it, convince the enemy that you don't have the means or resources to organize spies when in fact you already have a whole spy network.
+--- 57915272
+>>57881864
+
+Is Gypsy back on Omegle yet?

k/57881980.txt

@@ -739,3 +739,134 @@ Great choices gentlemen
 >>57903295
 >>57903200
 The point is that guns need as much skill and talent to use as a master fencer. That you can't just hand it to some mooks and level the playing field even with a lucky hit.
+--- 57904042
+>>57885082
+>biker jacket
+>possibly sleeveless turtleneck sweater
+N E E D
+--- 57904060
+>>57885062
+fat
+--- 57905180
+>>57885062
+I am a simple man. Petite girls are hot. On thing she doesn't have that I'm into is a ponytail.
+I want a polish version to go with my collection.
+--- 57905960
+>>57895409
+>>57896228
+--- 57906011
+>>57886633
+>This bitch asked me how many moons the earth has
+well anon, how many?
+--- 57906059
+>>57905960
+Thanks for the reminder but I don't appreciate you strangling my wife like that.
+--- 57907392
+>>57902659
+Why the dark haired girl is hotter
+--- 57907462
+>>57907392
+Takina isn't unattractive. If you like slimmer or more petite girls I can see why you would pick her over Chisato.
+--- 57907464
+>>57902555
+That's not soppo!
+--- 57907636
+>>57904042
+I'm personally more a fan of wool collar bomber jackets myself
+>tfw getting too warm to keep wearing mine
+--- 57907708
+>LEO edition
+Disregard the State.
+--- 57908061
+>>57885062
+Calm, 'modest', dignified personality but adventurous; someone who might seem both old and young at once. Confident but not arragant or falsely modest, kind of a just-the-facts sort and generally serious rather than bubbly but kind and with a love of the good things in life. Outdoors type and athletic, likes working out, hiking, naturalist stuff etc.
+
+Tall, taller than me is fine too, slender but not fragile with a lean athletic kind of build. I think green eyes are the prettiest, especially with black or dark brown hair but hay-like golden blonde is nice too. Not to worried about boobs as long as they're not really big, flat to sort of big is fine with me. But definitely very leggy (this is important) and nice hips and round butt. 
+
+pic not wholly related
+--- 57908076
+>>57907636
+Personally I don't like the fuzzy collars as much. I'm going to miss all the pockets on mine
+--- 57908235
+>>57907464
+>"Bitch do you know how hard it is to get red wine stains out of fabrics?!"
+--- 57908239
+>>57889102
+I quit playing KanCol back when she was released and I couldn't get her, it was ragequit. Last time I played any vidya gaem shit, good riddance.
+--- 57908392
+>>57898681
+A+
+--- 57908415
+>>57907464
+Soppo is very good to just not GOODEST.
+--- 57908505
+>>57884992
+I prefer I built weapon designs vs scaled up rifles and such
+--- 57908542
+>>57888170
+Wait but SAA likes Pepsi not coke. Also why the fuck did someone imprint a doll in the year of our lord 2064 with a .44 ball BP revolver?
+--- 57909061
+>>57908671
+>J izumi
+I swear the artist named all these cops jizzy on purpose
+--- 57909643
+>>57908570
+>>57908629
+>>57908671
+Nice chest rigs
+--- 57909748
+>>57907462
+I WANT TO BE YURI NTR'd!
+>I WANT TO BE YURI NTR'd!
+I WANT TO BE YURI NTR'd!
+>I WANT TO BE YURI NTR'd!
+I WANT TO BE YURI NTR'd!
+>I WANT TO BE YURI NTR'd!
+I WANT TO BE YURI NTR'd!
+>I WANT TO BE YURI NTR'd!
+I WANT TO BE YURI NTR'd!
+>I WANT TO BE YURI NTR'd!
+I WANT TO BE YURI NTR'd!
+>I WANT TO BE YURI NTR'd!
+I WANT TO BE YURI NTR'd!
+>I WANT TO BE YURI NTR'd!
+I WANT TO BE YURI NTR'd!
+>I WANT TO BE YURI NTR'd!
+I WANT TO BE YURI NTR'd!
+>I WANT TO BE YURI NTR'd!
+I WANT TO BE YURI NTR'd!
+>I WANT TO BE YURI NTR'd!
+I WANT TO BE YURI NTR'd!
+>I WANT TO BE YURI NTR'd!
+I WANT TO BE YURI NTR'd!
+>I WANT TO BE YURI NTR'd!
+I WANT TO BE YURI NTR'd!
+>I WANT TO BE YURI NTR'd!
+I WANT TO BE YURI NTR'd!
+>I WANT TO BE YURI NTR'd!
+I WANT TO BE YURI NTR'd!
+>I WANT TO BE YURI NTR'd!
+I WANT TO BE YURI NTR'd!
+>I WANT TO BE YURI NTR'd!
+--- 57910078
+>>57908671
+>masked girl
+Lust inducing image
+--- 57911848
+new thread doko?
+--- 57912066
+Never.
+--- 57912431
+NEW THREAD
+>>57912421 →
+--- 57913210
+>>57908061
+>entire post
+My man
+>anna from valiant hearts
+My man
+--- 57914521
+>>57913210
+/k/omrade I am ashamed to say I don't know anything about that image other than the fact I like it, but I though that the character looked like she had some, at least, of the traits I was talking about so I thought it was more appropriate than something else from my folder.
+--- 57914797
+someone give me a wallpaper for my phone

k/57883524.txt

@@ -384,3 +384,159 @@ Fuck cotvids, they spend all goddamn day dive bombing the eagles and herons that
 I recently bought a Daisy 880 carbine, but GLS fucked it up during delivery. 
 Im getting another free of charge, but now i got this banana barrel version. 
 Action still works fine, any ideas what i could build out of it?
+--- 57904032
+>>57902987
+Keep it as spare parts?
+--- 57904125
+>>57902987
+This is like that Soviet Afghanistan movie with the dude using a bent PKM mowing down hajis
+--- 57904197
+>>57904032
+yeah but i thought i could have some fun with this, thought i cut the barrel right behind the front handguard since it looks somewhat straight to that point and throw on a 3D printed ar stock adapter (since the stock is broken as well).
+--- 57904481
+>>57902987
+>>57904197
+just do it then -- if you already have a plan, why are you asking
+--- 57904488
+>>57902920
+plink/10 collection
+nicely plinked
+--- 57904548
+Something curious that might interest you is a .177 works with blanks, it has almost the same strength as a normal .22lr, you can find it in mexico, I wonder why something like this is not more popular.
+--- 57904616
+>>57904481
+well once im in there i can do more. Heard you can get more power out of it by modding the piston a bit, maybe an idea to get it still somewhat accruate once i cut the barrel etc. The more ideas the better, i want to rice the shit out of it
+--- 57904704
+>>57888392
+It's a bit of a rabbit hole of a gun. It's fine on its own, actually it's really good for what it is and how much it costs. But there is a lot you can get to make it better. Externals like a stock custom metal parts or even wood furniture, internally Alchemyairwerks on ebay has a great selection of upgrades for pump capacity and trigger work.
+--- 57904821
+>>57890080
+Problem is that airshitters ruin these threads.
+Pellet guns and metal BBs are fine but if you talk about BBs it doesn't take long before airshitters crawl out and start larping as special forces.
+--- 57904861
+>>57902838
+That gun has a good amount of power in it but that 1300 fps is with super light alloy pellets is a gimmick. It isn't like a 1377 that'd put the pellet under the skin or probably deeper but you get the point, you put a pellet deep in there but it should be more or less fine unless you hit a bone which would make it much less fine but maybe still okay.
+--- 57904979
+>>57904548
+People use airguns so they can shoot in places where the sound of a gun would cause problems, with the added benefit of ammo being dirt cheap. I doubt this method would be both effective enough and cheap enough to warrant using over 22lr. Pellets don't like going that fast but round balls would probably not mind.
+--- 57905521
+>>57904979
+Understandable, I think it works well
+--- 57906219
+>>57897984
+Starlings get the pellet too.
+--- 57907159
+>>57902987
+Chop it down. Only problem is the 880 uses a shroud with a plastic plug in the end (and the front sight as one piece) to hold the end of the barrel so you'd have to chop the barrel AND shroud. The plug uses a little notch or bump to keep it rotated so the front sight stays vertical.
+
+I've seen chopped 760s in person and online (the Pyramyd Air blog had one that was property of a game commission) but never an 880, and you might as well chop it since those parts are both bent anyways. I'd love a chopped 760 but don't want to chop an old airgun. A new plastic receiver 880? For free? New? With a bent barrel? Hell, go for it. At worst,you fuck it up and now have spare parts like seals for your new gun.
+--- 57907180
+>>57904616
+You will need to crown the barrel. Don't have a guide but you should look at that before you chop it. Also IIRC a lot of those power mods are on the daisy 880 forum which I still haven't signed up for.
+--- 57907195
+>>57904548
+Want. Do you have one? I've never seen one and would love to know more about that.
+--- 57907445
+>>57904861
+I don't know, much about the pellets themselves, I know they're JSB diablos or something I found on Amazon. Shoots them hard enough to kill large ground hogs.
+Called the farmer that lives over there and he said don't worry the dog will be fine, next time put a bullet it him if he's growling at kids. I wish he'd just keep the fuckers pinned up or something, I really don't want to have to shoot a dog because he can't be assed to keep them on his property.
+--- 57907726
+who are some good makers of nitro underlevers, i have varmits to obliterate and dont wanna discharge my regular guns in town, as much
+--- 57908189
+>>57907195
+Work like a .22
+--- 57908233
+Small .177 blank
+--- 57908325
+Bump
+--- 57910771
+Bump
+--- 57910841
+>>57883524 (OP)
+I have a 1960s sheridan pellet gun with 2 boxes of these original .20 cal pellets with a weird shape outlined on the box. Each box goes for like 50 bucks on ebay because they don't make them anymore. Would be nice to not have to use up all the historic ammo. Can anyone recommend a brand of 0.20 cal pellets that I can get cheap and will work decent with this old gun?
+--- 57910849
+>>57902920
+I'm having trouble recognizing these, and that makes me uncomfortable. I see an Artemis m20 and maybe a norica bullpup? They're pretty guns.
+--- 57910854
+>>57883524 (OP)
+are there any bolt action guns? In the vein of spring break action ones, not CO2 canister powered.
+--- 57911057
+What's the longest available air rifle barrel, preferably in 9mm? The longest I've been able to find are 800mm FX barrels, but there's got to be something bigger. I want to convert my AEA Challenger into an AEA CHALLENGEST.
+--- 57911167
+>>57911057
+That's an interesting picture to show just how chunky big bore PCP airguns can be. That Daisy 880 is about the same size as a Ruger 10/22 or similar adult size .22 autoloaders on the market.
+--- 57911271
+>>57911167
+Thanks, I took it just for this thread.
+--- 57911297
+>>57910841
+You have some options, including casting your own
+--- 57911545
+Do guns like the Daisy 880 or Crosman 2100 work with lead BBs, and are there any similar options with rifled barrels that can feed from a BB reservoir? Getting the accuracy of a pellet gun combined with the minimal ammo handling of a BB gun sounds like it would make for some very comfy shooting.
+--- 57911984
+>>57908189
+This would probably be considered a firearm in the US, unfortunately. I don't think we'll ever get them. Neat concept.
+--- 57911995
+>>57910841
+>options for non vintage .20 cal pellets
+Pyramyd Air, probably. Ships right to your door in a week. Don't shoot those old pellets; I struggle to find any old pellets for my collection.
+--- 57912014
+>>57910854
+PCP or nothing for bolt action, basically. The 1377 and 1322 is "bolt action" but single shot with no magazine and it's a 10 pump. Maybe look for an underlever or side lever rifle? Not sure if that'd fit your wants. Just don't get a cheap chinese one so you don't lose the tip of your finger. (see: anti-beartrap mechanism)
+--- 57912052
+>>57912014
+IIRC some companies offer multi pump guns with magazines for pellets.
+--- 57912068
+>>57912052
+Seneca dragonfly, for one
+--- 57912090
+>>57911545
+The BBs are held with a magnet as not to drop out the barrel if you hold it at any amount of degrees below flat. The lead BBs should be bigger to engage the rifling, so they shouldn't fall out the barrel, rather being a friction fit like a pellet. However, if that's the case, the question is "do they still fit and function in the BB feed tube" since the BBs generally have a little 15 round reservoir with a cutoff switch so they readily drop in front of the bolt. (sorry for being useless here; I've thought about buying them so many times since they're so damn cheap)
+
+Pyramyd Air blog says they don't function in a Daisy 499 (with H&N Smart Shot BBs):
+>BBs fell out
+>Two Smart Shot BBs rolled out of the barrel during this session. When the muzzle lowered so the barrel was below level, they couldn’t be held in the gun. Obviously, being lead, they can’t be held by the magnetic shot seat in the breech of the 499, and this seems important to the operation of this model. It remains to be seen whether they will work in other BB guns, so I will try that next. I don’t recommend using Smart Shot BBs in a 499.
+https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2015/10/hn-excite-smart-shot-copper-plated-lead-bbs-part-4/
+https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2015/10/hn-excite-smart-shot-copper-plated-lead-bbs-part-5/
+https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2015/11/37469/
+No mention if they shoot well in the most common BB/Pellet rifles from modern day Daisy and Crosman though. Really, Tom? Try Gamo's BBs; they're bare lead.
+--- 57912098
+>>57912068
+Motherfucker, and I even read the Pyramyd Air blog about that thing.
+--- 57912118
+>>57911545
+Daisy 880 yes, Crosman 2100 also yes. BBs are hard and undersized, so they just kinda bounce down the barrel in the general direction you're aiming. They aren't accurate, or great for the barrel, so I only use pellets in mine.
+--- 57912140
+>>57912098
+It's a fun gun, if you were thinking about getting one.
+>>57912118
+>>57911545
+Disregard, I missed where you said LEAD BBs. Honestly I'm not even sure how the BBs get into the 2100, and I looked at mine to check.
+--- 57912160
+>>57912140
+The black plastic cap at the bottom of the grip slides backwards.
+--- 57912903
+>>57910849
+Left to right:
+Stoeger XM1 Bullpup .22 (30 ft/lbs)
+Crosman Vantage NP .22 (18 ft/lbs)
+Effecto PX-5 Pro .25 (55 ft/lbs)
+Artemis PR900 .22 (24 ft/lbs)
+--- 57913387
+>>57912903
+Very nice, anon. I find myself drawn to that effecto, but I also like the size of that stoeger. Which is your favorite?
+--- 57913540
+>>57883524 (OP)
+i dont remember that flavor of altoid sours.
+--- 57914381
+>>57913387
+Hard to say. The PX-5 is gorgeous, powerful and very accurate, but also rather heavy and fragile. I regret a bit taking it hunting, it has several scratches and dents in the wood and metal finish. 
+
+I just got the Stoeger last week, I got it as a purely hunting rifle. Seems powerful enough for hares and shoots rather well even with cheap pellets, but I have to try it further. Maybe this weekend I'll try and get myself a bunny using it. The size is very handy, the trigger is excellent despite being a bullpup, accuracy wise can't say yet because of the really crappy mounts it got, I have better ones coming in the mail for a proper test.
+--- 57914382
+>>57888392
+I’ve enjoyed mine a ton. Get the .22 version and give it a few drops of oil every couple hundred shots
+--- 57915181
+Thread inspired me to pick up air rifle for blinking and getting rid of squirrels at my yard.
+Was thinking of getting one of Gamo, 10X IGT ones. Still need to do more research.
+Is .117 at 900-1200fps good for clean kills?

k/57886810.txt

@@ -535,3 +535,176 @@ The one you can contract for
 --- 57903635
 >>57903607
 It depends on what you mean by “smart” branch. The one whose service members have the highest average IQ? Probably the Coast Guard.
+--- 57903892
+>>57903635
+Army National Guard has the highest average ASVAB.
+--- 57903992
+>>57886810 (OP)
+>mfw on terminal leave trying to decide whether to go Air Guard, Air Reserve, or 100% civilian 
+This is unironically a tougher choice than enlisting in the first place
+--- 57904034
+>>57903992
+Guard/Reserve is worth it for differential pay
+--- 57904080
+>>57903992
+For what purpose would you go reserve or guard? You already got your benefits. And you might end up getting randomly deployed.
+--- 57904201
+>>57904080
+Retirement, for one. It’s not like either one will suck up a lot of your time if you are enlisted
+--- 57904213
+>>57904080
+>Health insurance for under $50 a month 
+>Tuition assistance 
+>Base/amenities access 
+>Various discounts 
+>Get a little bit of money 
+>If I get injured or whatever I can link it to service (I think) 
+>Get the (admittedly dying) prestige of being in the military 
+>>57904034
+>differential pay
+>The shittiness of working weekends could be offset by my coworkers being likeminded homies 
+>The job might be cool 
+Also people keep telling me I can just "cut active orders" if I'm ever out of a job, which I guess is kinda cool but also defeats the purpose of trying to work the bare minimum for benefits. 
+
+>And you might end up getting randomly deployed 
+That is one of several hangups I have, yes.
+--- 57906407
+How am I supposed to trim my nose hair in Naval OCS?
+--- 57906607
+Should I learn a new language? French? Spanish? Russian?
+--- 57906618
+>>57906607
+I want to maximize my chances to do spooky shit
+--- 57908417
+What are the odds that the Space Force is doing something high speed and other than just signing up and being super fucking exceptional what would I probably have to do to get involved?
+--- 57908436
+>>57908417
+The fuck are you even trying to ask
+--- 57908477
+>>57892148
+ebin
+--- 57908524
+>>57908436
+Basically the question that everyone asks about SOF but more or less if the Space Force might have something like that.
+--- 57908537
+>>57896937
+You really think early GWOT and pre-GWOT mercenaries still existing? It's security contracting. You're going to be outside standing around doing nothing OR rolling around a motorcade just to follow around a principal and do nothing. 
+
+Blackwater, Executive Outcomes, Triple Canopy, those guys don't exist anymore like they used to. And even then, why the fuck would they stop pooling from prior SF/SOF and go for a rinky dink civilian with only training courses and no real-world experience in high stress environments?
+--- 57908541
+>>57908524
+No
+--- 57908545
+>>57908541
+Hmm
+--- 57910129
+>>57908417
+What would Space SOF even do?
+--- 57910305
+>>57906407
+If this isn't a troll. They give you small cuticle type scissors or you can bring clippers/buy some at the NEX. Pro tip if you bring your own clippers you can save like $40 while youre there cause you can cut your own hair and not have the NEX do it.
+--- 57910397
+Any other marines go through jump school? I go next week and dunno if marines get treated diff
+--- 57910601
+>>57908417
+>space force
+>high speed
+
+Dude what do you think the space force does? The USMC will be fighting in space before the Space Force will ever have to touch a gun.
+--- 57910700
+>>57906607
+Russian or Chinese
+--- 57910748
+>>57896937
+>as a civilian i really want to experience military life, is there any way for me to accomplish this? 
+>i was thinking about enrolling in the training course known as "11X Option 40" 
+EXCELLENT CHOICE ANON
+--- 57910790
+>>57910601
+Every branch eventually creates their own high speed or pseudo-highspeed force. Even the Coasties did it.
+--- 57910805
+>>57910790
+>space force astronaut antisatellite QRF on Falcon9
+kinoooooooooooooooooooo
+--- 57911379
+signed with the navy I with the IT rating. Looking forward to it, hope they send me to japan
+--- 57911574
+Is it really that hard to get into NOCS? Right now I have about 3.8 GPA but nothing else.
+>>57911379
+Also is this feasible because I was planning to do something like this too
+--- 57911677
+>>57910805
+I dunno if we're there yet. My imagination was more like JTACs but for satellite communications and various other things that a regular comms guy probably couldn't do. Possibly a few other things, but those are trickier to do.
+--- 57911736
+>>57911574
+are you a minority or a woman? desu if you aren't medically fucked up and your degree is from a good school they'll probably take you
+--- 57911747
+Please enlist.
+Please enlist.
+Please enlist.
+Please enlist.
+Please enlist.
+I want to see you mangled.
+I want to see you disfigured.
+I want you to die.
+I want to see your mother to cry.
+Cya golems.
+--- 57911978
+>>57903597
+Is Reddit in the room with us right now? Your post is retarded.
+--- 57912362
+>>57911747
+i have sex
+--- 57912612
+Who's ready to fight for their commander in chief Joe biden?
+--- 57912634
+>>57912612
+I don't serve the President, I serve the Office of the Presidency. If that's a deal breaker for you then your ass couldn't cut it to begin with.
+--- 57912666
+>>57912634
+
+Running global american empire globohomo coups around the world in order to expand the empire is a partisan activity right now. Do you think Trump would do the same shit that Nuland did?
+--- 57912683
+>>57912666
+What do they pay you Ruskie fucks anyway? Didn't they take a bunch of you faggots outside and shoot you recently?
+--- 57912684
+>>57912666
+check'd and kek'd thank you lucifer
+--- 57912740
+>>57912634
+Who's in the Office of the Presidency?
+--- 57912798
+>>57912740
+It doesn't fucking matter for you to do your duty. I'm glad it's a deal breaker. In fact if that's a deal breaker then I genuinely hope that you don't sign up.
+--- 57912830
+>>57912798
+Why would I sign up I'm not vaccinated and never will be. So, who's in that office?
+--- 57912861
+>>57912830
+Someone vaccinated.
+--- 57912991
+>>57912830
+There is no more vaccine mandate. Also, you're too fat to join.
+--- 57914252
+>>57912683
+>JIDF projection
+Rabbi please, everyone knows this site, and this board in particular, is FED central.
+--- 57914262
+>>57912861
+>Someone vaccinated
+Proof? Biden's cabinet and all of Congress was exempt from the clot shot mandates. Silly anon.
+--- 57914314
+>>57912991
+>he doesn't know about the mRNA flu shots
+--- 57914439
+>>57908537
+i am well aware that "new thing" is not like "old thing" and getting hired could be an issue. however i still think converting theory to experience is doable in this field.
+--- 57914619
+>>57887117
+If you dont want to be behind a computer screen all day, in a building with no windows go 17c. If you dont go 35L. Id say both have high earning potential after. Just 17C may be able to get you out of the .mil/dod world if you want, whereas 35L work will alway be connected to .gov in one way or another.
+--- 57914637
+>>57887233
+Dont go national guard. All others are alright.
+--- 57914643
+>>57887320
+Active all the way. Not only do get the benefits right off the bat, but if you went reserves you will be one ate up ass joe. Get the full experience for 3-4 years then decide if you want more.

k/57890747.txt

@@ -276,3 +276,353 @@ i've seen a few ufos. the best one was in the daytime. friend and i saw a silver
 >makes stuff up and generalizes everything
 >see i have debunked ufos ha ha
 if you don't believe that's fine, stop being disingenuous because you're too much of a smoothbrained retard to think outside the box
+--- 57904349
+>>57890870
+>Pickled cucumbers are fucking disgusting.
+Wypierdalaj.
+--- 57904831
+>>57902543
+I know someone that did their 20 at AFFTC Edwards and exited the military with a very high rank that now does unmentionable things for the government. I asked him jokingly one day about if he has ever been to Planet Dirt, and his only response was "where did you hear about that?". Take that with an entire shaker of salt.
+--- 57904918
+>>57903467
+thats not making stuff up, there are trends in what people claim to see that 100% match government research planes of the respective era, or does it not seem weird to you that the peak of the black triangle space craft happens to be when the B2 was in development, and the time period after?
+--- 57905172
+>>57890747 (OP)
+--- 57905344
+>>57905172
+this looks shopped
+--- 57905357
+>>57905344
+It is not
+--- 57905403
+>>57892601
+>Planet Dirt
+>Top google result is a motorobike training school in Massachusetts
+Are UFOs just massholes pulling off wicked sick jumps on their dirt bikes?
+--- 57905453
+>>57898255
+This
+--- 57906390
+when *is* the hearing? i've looked it up and can't find an actual time anywhere
+--- 57906409
+>>57898330
+>balloons do Mach 25 in atmosphere
+--- 57906422
+>>57898629
+You got probed, bud.
+--- 57906431
+>>57898255
+Checks out, all of those aircraft technologies came from aliens.
+--- 57906437
+>>57906390
+started ~half hour ago
+https://www.armed-services.senate.gov/hearings/to-receive-testimony-on-the-mission-activities-oversight-and-budget-of-the-all-domain-anomaly-resolution-office
+--- 57906453
+How much is this gonna cost to fix? Bet the fuckin dealer is gonna say they gotta order the parts too
+--- 57906457
+>>57906437
+much appreciated
+--- 57906460
+>>57902496
+>>57902543
+>>57904831
+It's our colony on Proxima Centauri. Of the weird shit I believe but can't quite prove, Planet Dirt is the most likely to be real. Trillions of dollars were burned during and after the Cold War to make things like that possible.
+--- 57906548
+>>57906460
+It's so obvious to me that we're way further ahead than is even believable. I remember 4 years ago I was getting an oil change and waiting in the lounge, something on the History Channel had a blurb about the nazi moon base. Me and some guy looked at each other and he said you don't believe that do ya. I was like, this is my chance. This is it, this is the perfect opportunity to make some normie think I'm a crazy retard. "Never know," I said. The guy started kissing his dog and said "awwww dohhh this is just some dumb asshole". It felt so good.
+--- 57906577
+>>57902851
+the truth is the opposite of whatever they say
+--- 57906601
+>>57906460
+This what I think as well. It's the closest star system with a habitable planet, and the descriptions seems to match Proxima Centauri (red star) and what we "know" about Proxima Centauri B. This goes along with my "why do we see UFOs in the ocean theory. It's submarine to whatever the fuck crew exchanges.
+--- 57906635
+>>57906601
+A whale's cerebral cortex is 8x the size of a humans. They probably just vibe better with them.
+--- 57906737
+>>57906390
+It's invite only sorry.
+--- 57907113
+well that was a pretty lame fuckin hearing
+--- 57907167
+>>57907113
+What did they say? I didn't feel like watching.
+--- 57907193
+>>57907167
+whole lotta nothin. just some vague stuff about "how can we make sure this department isn't doing any redundant work that other departments are already handling, how are you working with academia to improve things", etc.
+--- 57907249
+>>57906601
+Exactly. Planet Dirt, and to a lesser extent Project Serpio, make sense if there are aliens and/or we cracked FTL in the mid-20th Century. 
+Another aspect of the part about how advanced we are is that it is rapidly becoming apparent that some form of gravity manipulation, repulsion or electro-gravity system has been silenced since the '60s - see the Weinstein interview with Hal Puthof talking about Louis Witten (antigravity researcher) and his son, Ed Witten (inventor of string theory). The implication being that antigravity is somehow fairly easy to implement and so threatening to the powers that be that String Theory was invented as an attention sink for young physicists. 
+As far as the oceans, that seems to be the base for some of aliens, ultraterrestrials or whoever else is punking us. Look up 'croakers' for US sub crew's experiences with fast movers underwater.
+--- 57907265
+>>57907211
+Interesting how almost all of the UFO sightings are around the biggest military developments and war zones in the world.
+--- 57908113
+>one chance at life
+>will never get read in to a project involving Planet Dirt
+--- 57908650
+>>57907265
+Possibly because those regions have the highest concentrations of advanced radar/sensors?
+--- 57908696
+>>57890747 (OP)
+Secret US military tech they unlocked by sucking a total of billion of miles of nigger dick.
+--- 57908816
+>>57908696
+What does this even mean tho
+--- 57908903
+>>57890747 (OP)
+New orb video just dropped. 
+
+What I don’t get is why people think if this was blue-on-blue US recording secret US shit, we’d be doing any of this? 
+
+Like why does Russia and China not release everything they know about UAPs if they think it’s all secret US tech? They are sitting on decades of evidence that would all be evidence of the US violating their airspace with impunity and in violation of every treaty while they just sat there and took it? 
+
+And why would these things have been seen constantly buzzing around in Europe during the WWs before the us even entered those wars? 
+
+The reason everyone else is being even less transparent about what they know than the US is because, like the US, they don’t think it’s “ours” at all. Doesn’t belong to any human organization currently alive on the earth.
+--- 57910794
+>>57902932
+that was me
+--- 57911672
+>>57890747 (OP)
+I bet the skunkworks engineers gather around and laugh each time a thread like this is posted.
+--- 57911724
+>>57911672
+>And then they said... WE'RE FALLING BEHIND THE CHINESE!
+--- 57911772
+>>57911672
+I really try to pass it of as the MIC most of the time and I still come to the conclusion that it is probably out of our hands
+--- 57911874
+>>57890870
+>mad
+>at vegetables preserved in seasoned vinegar brine
+--- 57911956
+>>57911672
+Feel like the people that think this could be some secret combustion based skunkworks horseshit really don’t understand that this is an entirely different technology tree that breaks our laws of physics. There is no school anywhere in the world where someone can even get a base level understanding of what would be needed to build these, particularly in secret. You can’t just secretly leapfrog past all known science and start bending space in a secret bunker in Nevada. 
+
+Most fucking skunkworks are just like “a helicopter, but cooler.” 
+Not “can zip from stationary across the entire horizon in a second and stop instantly and then dart in and out of the atmosphere like nothing and fly for days at a time with no known fuel requirement.” That’s hundreds of years ahead and they’ve been around for hundreds of years. Who the fuck secretly developed all this world-changing tech in secret for generations and never told anybody?
+--- 57911965
+>>57908903
+Well, where is it?
+--- 57912003
+>>57911956
+If I point a laser at the sky, I can make it dart across the sky the stop in an instant. How do we know these sightings are physical objects and not just EW fuckery?
+--- 57912023
+>>57912003
+its the effortless medium change and terrible human radiation sickness that does it for me
+--- 57912032
+>>57911956
+>you cant just make an aircraft fly without a prop
+>there is no school anywhere in the world that can teach someone to just make a smooth prop-less aircraft that flies higher and faster than anything the best engineers have built.
+--- 57912082
+>>57911956
+Yeah who developed the atom bomb and didn't tell anyone it was like hundreds of thousands of people were involved then suddenly one day it just went off haha,,
+--- 57912087
+>>57912032
+It’s not moving through atmosphere bozo.
+--- 57912177
+>>57912082
+All the development and research into the atomic theory was published globally right up until Hiroshima. US stopped publishing research papers when they recruited all the academics. 
+
+And nice whataboutism you disingenuous kike but it’s not an argument. Your argument is that it’s human developed which means you’d need to be able to prove humans were capable of even theoretically doing that, which nobody has. Which makes it a shit comparison. 
+
+And also we literally know all of their names you dumb niggggggggggggger. They all were gloryhounds and wouldn’t shut up about it. But not the guys that rendered fossil fuel technology useless 200 years ago or the guys that made the entire space race and the last 100 years of technological development in avionics and everything else. 
+
+Like what shithole you from? Why isn’t every other country in the world constantly tattling on the US if it’s US tech? Why are they all continuing to not disclose what they nose when it would destroy the entire westoid USD oil-driven economic system to reveal that it’s a human U.S. technology?
+
+
+Fucking Moran ferners need think more
+--- 57912264
+>>57907249
+You have to remember, Puthoff is a DIA shill. Same with Eric Davis. Theoretically, they are great. I imagine both of the have done work on these projects. But just lien Jacques Valles, they are all DIA/ONI disinformation agents. These are people with the clearance AND the laboratory access (Institute for Advanced Studies Austin), and still they write 80% fiction/20% nonsense fantasy. If any of what Puthoff and ED was remotely true in application, the DIA would have never released it publicly. I am of the mind that the bulk of the research was done in the late 40's on the theoretical end. Einstein was known to be a disciple of Mach, and there are rotating universe solutions to GR by Godel. The rest is an engineering problem and materials science problem. Superfluid Helium-4 was discovered in an applied manner in 1936. The rest is abdiatic laser cooling, electromagnetic induced transparency, and metamaterials work that couldn't be resolved until the science caught up. Eric Weinstein was oh so close. You don't need geniuses once the theory is established, you need engineers that know how to shut the fuck up and work on applications (hence SUNY Stonybrook/Brookhaven NL). It also not antigravity, it's anti-inertia. For FTL is altering the relative permeability and permittivity of the vacuum to artificially raise/lower the speed of light in the medium (vacuum).
+--- 57912405
+>>57912023
+This. This is why you see stories that sound a lot like acute radiation poisoning, blue glows around the craft, and why you see them at nuclear weapons facilities.
+>The drive system bleeds high intensity gamma radiation as a byproduct of operation 
+>Fiddling with the medium creates a free-air equivalent to Cherenkov radiation
+>Nuclear weapons bases have the personnel equipped to handle the emergency response because muh radiation
+>It shuts the weapons off because it screws with the electromagnetic permeability and permittivity of local space and the circuits no longer work correctly because of that
+Number one is why it will never be declassified. The Dugway Zapper is a direct byproduct. 100-1 the actual triangles can bleed the gamma radiation in a more "directional" manner as a weapon ala' Zapper.
+--- 57912429
+I saw this thing a few years back just uploaded the video for this thread. When I looked at this thing through binoculars I couldn’t see it at all. I’m not gonna pretend to know anything about stealth technology or cloaking but it’s gotta bend light around itself someway. Also it was a lot more round/cylindery in person. Btw if you wanna watch a video of a demon that used to haunt me that’s also on my channel. 
+
+https://m.youtube.com/shorts/Vn6i5vsizo0
+--- 57912495
+>>57912405
+Nta but are you referring to the nuclear sites that had UFOs hover above and disarm them? That would kind of make sense. But it gets weird when they became armed, had a countdown begin, then switch off at the last moment.
+--- 57912528
+>>57912495
+Yes. Remember nuclear weapons systems are relatively primitive. Perhaps it was a capabilities test in some instances. It is eluded to that some of this type of shit was once incidental of operations and has been refined to be optional.
+--- 57912553
+https://open.spotify.com/episode/1ppm53k2oyVSBfKyfhaPci?si=VzqwdwPZRVm8OXKJWo4-aA
+--- 57913515
+>>57891043
+>Bro I watched them for days in the Atlantic in 2005.
+>>57894175
+>I think it's more than likely UFOs have been here for a long long time hiding in our vast oceans.
+I think it's this, too. There's some relationship between the ayy lmaos and the water. Parallel underwater civilization? We don't know much about the oceans, most of the sea floor is unmapped. I dunno about the greys, but they look kinda fishy.
+
+Everyone forgets that Earth has already been like three different planets, and life has started or at least evolved complex organisms twice. We can't even tell what some of the pre-Cambrian lifeforms were, they're like Lovecraftian fungus-monsters, and even some of the unambiguous swimming animals follow body plans that never appeared again.
+
+>>57898629
+>As a kid I actually did see something that I would say solidly fits in the UAP bracket as it stands now. Not blowing smoke up your ass either. 
+My mother did way out in the Texas Panhandle when she was a girl. Still swears by it. Met old pilots who still do contractor stuff who believe in it but I couldn't tell if they were fucking with me or not.
+
+>three small rectangular lights at the vertices of what would have been an equilateral triangle on the underside
+Yeah. Triangles, saucers, (metallic) orbs, and cylinders. "The most typically reported UAP characteristics to these fields are mostly round, mostly 1-4 meters, white/silver/translucent metallic, 10k to 30k feet with apparent velocity from stationary to Mach 2. No thermal exhaust. Intermittent radar returns. Intermittent radio returns, intermittent thermal signatures. That's what we're looking for and trying to understand."
+
+>>57907249
+>Weinstein interview
+My personal crank conspiracy belief is that Epstein was into this stuff as part of his flinging money around to weird science projects along with their bizarro sea creature / ocean sustainability project (that hired an ex-coastie, bizarrely enough):
+
+https://youtu.be/2zYStRsHKxE [Embed]
+--- 57913605
+>>57894963
+>Get revenge on the allies 2
+
+The "nazi ufos" are actually not nazi ufos, they are far more ancient, most of them are crewed by deva-class entities, the center of the hindu religion, others by furries. Cylindrical ufos are not used by these aliens. They look nordic but they arent descendants of germans or an alternate branch of humans, they are the actual primogenitors, the creators of nordic humans. This means that these entities have a history that goes back hundreds of thousands of years. I would guess the upper range of their existence is 500 000 years. Thats supposedly about when Enki and Enlil accidentally experimented self aware humans into existence. These primogenitor entities including Enki and Enlil were in turn created by the superdimensional entities inside the Black Sun which exist at the most fundamental layer of reality, where solid matter is an abstract concept and not a thing. These superdimensional entities also created the first furries before they created these nordics, which were meant to be an improvement over all earlier attempts. 
+
+These nordic aliens and their furry allies are responsible for the havana syndrome and the current malaise of the west. The reason is that Germany was supposed to win world war 2 and set a guiding example for the world to follow, but that attempt was wrecked, and now they are enacting their contigency plan. The victor states of world war 2 will be wrecked by insanity, corruption and incompetence stemming from their own evil, and Germany set up for a self-liberation. Opposing them are the evil masterminds behind Americas evil empire and Germanys defeat in world war 2, the renegade bands of transdimensionals criminals known as "space lizards". American glowies cant do shit against ayylmao glowies. The havana syndrome operators have even struck inside the white house without the secret service being able to even detect them.
+--- 57913637
+>>57912264
+>Jacques Valles, they are all DIA/ONI disinformation agents
+He's my favorite frog and his work really makes you think 
+He has more theories and obviously doesn't name one as 100% true as he doesn't know himself (allegedly)
+What else makes you think he's disinfo?
+--- 57913726
+>>57898617
+>What about the UFOs that were pursued by those mustangs? Good, experienced pilots died trying to shoot down "weather balloons"
+
+If you fly under an UFO you will be sucked into its drive field and shredded. Thats likely what happened to these P-51s. If you fly over an UFO you will be pushed away from the ufo by the drive field. The aliens that fly these ships have repeatedly shown themselves to be remarkably poor pilots, causing mid air collisions or cooking people and setting fires on the ground with strong microwave and infrared radiation from the propulsion system of their ufos. The reason for this is most likely that they have no prior experience of being inside a material universe before.
+--- 57913729
+>>57913605
+So the aliens were so incompetent and weak that with all their literal space faring tech, they couldn't successfully assist a single country in repelling simple human wave attacks?
+--- 57913855
+>>57898654
+>Read up on the number of times pilots in the Pacific misidentified other objects, even entire warships, and get back to me.
+
+There are thousands of forgotten reports of UAPs being tracked both by the aircrews eyes and the onboard radar system. And they cant be misidentified normal things. A typical encounter might go like this: its 1972, you sit in a B-52 at 30 000 feet, its night and you spot a speck of light in the distance, and your radar guy picks up an unknown contact, inbound at 3000 knots, your immediate thought is "this might be an aircraft". The dot then does an instant 90 degree turn and exits at 6000 knots. It wasnt an aircraft. When you file the report, your commanding officer tells you that this never happened and send your report to the archives to be buried. This happened more times than you think it did. 
+
+All the recent disclosure is part of some kind of meta-psyop, because they push the illusion that these things are new. They arent, and there are toooons of USAF and USN and USarmy reports of close encounters and spooky shit that shouldnt exist, but all this has been buried and forgotten when the men who wrote these reports went into retirement and then died.
+--- 57913882
+>>57900436
+>it was likely they were meteors, but at the time they scared the shit out of me (four blue lights, in an echelon formation, traveling silently and quickly overhead)
+
+That sounds like no meteor I have ever heard of or seen myself. Meteors look like fast, faint streaks of light in the darkness. They hit the upper atmosphere at 20-30 kilometers per second.
+--- 57913902
+>>57901096
+--- 57913973
+>>57902858
+>I bet ayys carry M4s
+
+They have inbuilt weaponry, a wise precaution when visiting the earf. Their equvivalent of a psychic stun gun is a belly button gem. 99.9% of all encounters of nordic or even human looking aliens have been males only.
+--- 57913993
+Why do threads like these have to be ruined by omegaschizos?
+No one even posted the new footage which literally came from a UAV in Syria. What a worthless fucking thread. Go back
+--- 57914107
+>>57913993
+Link?
+--- 57914263
+>>57913729
+>So the aliens were so incompetent and weak that with all their literal space faring tech, they couldn't successfully assist a single country in repelling simple human wave attacks?
+
+Its not that they couldnt, its that they arent allowed to outright bomb from orbit by the superdimensional managing entities of this reality. The rogue ayylmaos were more entrenched (controlled more corrupted human hosts) than the lawful ayys thought they were. Becuse of this loss, the eyes (figuratively) of these managing superdimensional entities have been turned towards our timeline Earth with the intent to rectify the situation. The topmost superior managing entity is distinguished by the display of an ornate geometric symbol, known as the "swastika". It has the ability to dumbify ayylmaos and humans, as well as predicting (and directing) the future. This dumbification process is why the american elites, which are heavily corrupted by psychic influence of evil ayys, have become increasingly incompetent and self destructive. Judging by their workings, America, EU and the Russian Federation are being set up for a collapse and breakup in the 2030s-40s.
+--- 57914270
+>>57914107
+I’m not fucking sharing it here. If the fucking schizo thread nominally created to talk about the congressional briefing was is unable to organically post footage released by that congressional briefing it should suffer. Fuck this thread and fuck the schizos who ruined it.
+--- 57914274
+>>57913993
+>No one even posted the new footage which literally came from a UAV in Syria. What a worthless fucking thread. Go back
+
+Wasnt that just a silvery ball that drifted lazily across the field of view? Thats nothing special, thats how a foo fighter looks in daylight. Its been known since the days of world war 2.
+--- 57914283
+>>57914274
+See? Useless bunch of schizocucks who just want to jerk themselves off and ramble. 
+>NOOO FOOTAGE IS WORTHLESS WE NEED TO DISCUSS THE HYPERDIMENSIONS
+--- 57914293
+>>57914270
+>Fuck this thread and fuck the schizos who ruined it.
+
+You're an idiot zoomer broccolihead who thinks this UAP stuff is something new. It isnt, there are plenty of good photos and even films of UAP/UFO crew working inside the craft. Its just that you dont see this in the just-right-now-latest-news media flow, so you dont know about it, and get upset when more knowledgeable older people takes control of your thread.
+--- 57914312
+>>57914293
+>NOOO YOU CANT TALK ABOUT ANYTHING EXCEPT MY SCHIZO THEORY PLANET DIRT IS REAL FOOTAGE IS FOR SOIBOYS
+--- 57914330
+>>57894108
+I was trying to make AI generated nudes of T’Pol just hours ago what a coincidence
+--- 57914332
+I want /x/ to go and stay go.
+--- 57914340
+>>57914270
+Hey you ever heard of killing yourself you fat consumerist kike? 
+
+Nobody works for you faggot you’re the product here.
+--- 57914346
+>>57914340
+I love schizos sometimes, always speaking at strange angles to the conversation at hand
+--- 57914359
+>>57914270
+https://reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/12rym73/orb_video_released_by_aaro_at_todays_hearing/
+
+There you cunt do it yourself and contribute to something other than your addiction to media consumption you dyke cunt
+--- 57914371
+>>57914359
+>>57914340
+>schizos suddenly start screaming about media consumption and consumerism for no reason
+--- 57914380
+I wish I had schizophrenia. That would be so fucking cool.
+--- 57914430
+>>57896472
+>dozens
+The number of credible sightings is much lower than dozens. It's like, idk, maybe 2 or 3.
+--- 57914438
+>>57914371
+You’re demanding other people do free labor for you or else you’re act like shit-smearing faggot and whine at them. 
+
+You should kill yourself you entitled cunt.
+--- 57914447
+>>57914438
+Your English isn’t very good nor is your ability to derive meaning from the words of others, so you substitute that meaning with an assumption of meaning which flatters yourself and your existing conceptions of the world. Low IQ and paranoia is common among schizophrenics
+Tl;dr you’re retarded and that’s not what I was saying. I called you all retarded for not posting it or discussing it, I had already seen it myself hours ago.
+--- 57914830
+>>57890870
+ok Chris chan nobody is going to send you any pickled cucumbers to your new group home.
+--- 57914868
+Is pic related real?
+--- 57914877
+>>57913637
+That nigger 100% does not actually believe that UFOs are demons, and he more than likely he was exposed to some level of SAP from his work with SRI. SRI is one of "those" companies that does all kinds of weird classified compartmentalized shit for the DoD/DoE that you will never ever hear abour. You can tell he's hiding something during his Rogan interview (or being asked questions about something he is NDA'd forever about). The DoD staff guy he had on was the best guest as far as telling people where to look. He kept mentioning "if I would really like to know what the DoE is up to" because guaranteed lots of these types of projects are administered by the DoE and not the DoD. National Labs are all DoE and there is far less congressional oversight on DoE programs than there is on DoD spending sprees.
+--- 57914900
+>>57914868
+Absolutely. There is too much serious science floating around for it not to be real. Plus, it's been seen by more people than just Aliens Dave. There are reports in the local papers from that time about people seeing it off I-80 at night. This photo is particularly interesting because it's not from Dave's website, it's from a different angle than Dave's photos, it appears to be taken with a very high resolution FLIR camera in rainbow mode, and THERE IS NO PERIMETER FENCE VISIBLE, which indicates that someone is disseminating naughty things they weren't supposed to (i.e. this was taken inside the fence at Dugway by someone present for the test).
+--- 57914905
+>>57890859
+What? Haw!
+--- 57914907
+>>57914447
+if you were actually smart you would post blatantly wrong information to bait them into posting the videos. be the change you want to see anon
+--- 57914931
+>>57914907
+I genuinely don’t think this thread deserves it, it’s quite possibly the lowest quality discussion of UAOs on the internet I’ve seen in a decade. Note how they immediately said it didn’t matter and was unimportant and even when it was posted no one talked about it. Because they only care about planet dirt.
+--- 57914960
+>>57914447
+> Your English isn’t very good 
+It’s an anti ESL measure. I do it on porpoise. Im allowed to subvert the language, while you can’t help it lol.
+>nor is your ability to derive meaning from the words of others, 
+How does this flow in your native brogue?
+>so you substitute that meaning with an assumption of meaning which flatters yourself and your existing conceptions of the world. 
+Idk I hate to lean too hard on the projection meme but this sure smells like projection. 
+>Low IQ 
+Pretty high iq tho. High enough to be able to appreciate why IQ is a competency test for children that only studies 3 aspects of intelligence and is more a reflection of your early childhood education than it is your innate intelligence. 
+
+also there’s not really any correlation between iq and schizophrenia, the deformity in the structure of the brain that causes schizophrenia has pretty much nothing to do with the structures that determine innate intelligence, plus schizophrenia doesn’t kick in until late adolescence-early adulthood so the learned intelligence factors are already set in stone before schizophrenia symptoms kick in. Some schizos are geniuses and some are babbling retards. 
+
+You give off big “16 year old trying to sound smart” vibes. 
+
+>Tl;dr 
+You wrote nothing but angry weird ESL whining and personal attacks. 
+
+>you’re retarded 
+You smell like poop probably

k/57893037.txt

@@ -419,3 +419,227 @@ No it isn't. They're both rifle rounds, a game like RE4 isn't going to make dist
 >>57901424
 >complaining about this when there are 30 fucking Ukraine threads that are just as off-topic, shitting up the board.
 I fucking hate the war tourists
+--- 57903820
+>>57903364
+yes you are a mega fucking brainlet for getting triggered by that but not the other mixed caliber guns using the same generic ammo. it's not even the only 556 gun that takes rifle ammo in the game
+--- 57903933
+>>57896439
+tmp sucked in the demo if the le5 is anything worse that that this game must be unplayable
+--- 57903947
+>>57900051
+i felt like this monstrosity was the homage to that cover monstrosity
+--- 57904067
+>>57900731
+Best RE magnum.
+Best Suda51 game.
+--- 57904121
+The BB pisses me off because there's no way a break action revolver of any kind could survive a modern magnum handgun round. It appears to be based on a Schofield which is even more nonsensical.
+--- 57904667
+>>57900265
+>implying those didn’t exist in original RE4
+Also there are mods for new RE2 and 3 so both enemies and you die easier and it limits ammo. It’s a nice change
+--- 57904673
+>>57900770
+I’m all for it. She’s sexy as fuck
+--- 57904686
+>>57903364
+>AR15 using rifle ammo is retarded?
+Yes. Extremely retarded. You could have easily looked this up too
+--- 57905279
+Is RE4R the most /k/ Resident Evil? The animations are such operator kino
+--- 57905718
+>>57893456
+Nice. Nothing better than dropping 3-5 ganados at the same time or flinching a cultists through his shield
+--- 57905847
+>>57900157
+Chris get the fuck out of here, I know it's you I don't even have to look!
+--- 57905972
+>>57902788
+Re2R let's you get around this by blowing one of their legs off, which is somewhat easy to do if you can put two or three shots in the same knee. Hunters can fuck off though
+--- 57906252
+>>57900180
+Although I like both too, I do miss Salazar's unsolicited shitposting in the original game.
+--- 57906309
+>>57900107
+Is that why all the guns in Call of Duty have weird names now?
+It's a good thing that Crossbow and Riot Shield aren't brand names or we would have ended up with "Heisenberg Kinetic Bolt Accelerator" and "Sergei's Stalinium Shard" instead.
+--- 57906362
+>>57903364
+The striker is a meme gun that was designed for South African export.
+The selling pitch was that is had the fire rate of a semi-auto, but the ability to take special rounds like a pump-action. However, the magazine spring needs to be re-round once you empty it a few times or it stops cycling properly; meaning that after you finish loading the gun, you have to spend a further few minutes cranking that lever as well.
+A fun toy, but not something you'd want to be using in any extended period of combat.
+--- 57906374
+>>57893037 (OP)
+I think they dropped the ball on some shit, especially the exclusive upgrades which are now largely underwhelming, but overall I thought Rem4ake handled weapons well. They added a few things that I think were improvements like the weapon storage system and iron sights for rifles when you don't have a scope attached although I wish they'd added more handguns. They're eventually going to have to scan a bunch of stuff for RE Engine anyways, may as well have gotten them out of the way here.
+--- 57906447
+>>57903364
+The M1903 bolt action rifle in RE4 and AR15 using the same ammo is wrong, but it's the other way around, they're both using .223, which is only wrong for the 1903.
+--- 57906454
+>>57893037 (OP)
+you're an artist, mate
+--- 57906504
+>>57893110
+As sexy as leather on skin looks, that would chaff and rub you raw and bloody!
+--- 57906545
+>>57906454
+You'll buy my super Ruger SP101 in .38spl at a high price?
+--- 57906549
+>>57905972
+>Re2
+>Hunters
+--- 57906680
+>>57894123
+only in really close quarters, Splinter Cell Conviction did it better
+--- 57906700
+>>57906680
+Conviction did nothing good and was a shitty game let alone call itself a Splinter Cell.
+--- 57906706
+>>57900248
+Jill isn't part of Chris's autism squad
+--- 57906730
+>>57906700
+>Conviction did nothing good
+excepts Grimms breast physics when Sam was beating her
+
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGR_R6iPHyA [Embed]
+--- 57906769
+>>57894022
+Is that Sergei Lavrov?
+--- 57906819
+>>57901413
+lmfao Chris in RE8 was a bumbling retard who stood around doing fuck all while Ethan solo'd Chris' mission for him in spite of fuck-up after fuck-up by Chris, most of which are due to Chris being an autistic man-child who can't just tell Ethan wtf is going on. And despite all of this he still acts cool, telling Ethan "you can't handle this" after Ethan has singlehandedly killed all the bosses in the game so Chris won't have to.
+--- 57906828
+>>57906447
+To be fair the M1903 using .223 ammo is the same as it was in the original game and it makes sense from a gameplay perspective.
+I'm guessing it was done because they looked at the SL8 and the M1903 and chose one round to use between the two, and the SL8 is chambered in .223
+--- 57906833
+>>57906819
+ETHAN YOU NEED TO FUCK MY SISTER
+--- 57906857
+>>57906833
+If I were Ethan, I would have used my immortality to kill Chris, deeply unlikeable character.
+--- 57906944
+RE8 needs a DLC where you play as Chris and get fucking fired for all your terrible decisions that resulted in other people dying.
+--- 57907135
+>>57900051
+Can we take a moment to appreciate how the cover is aesthetical and frightening? I swear everything was so much soulful back in the days, when art was genuinely handmade
+And besides, the more I spent time watching it, the more I discovered new zombie faces on the dome
+--- 57907170
+>>57900096
+>noooo stop pointing out obvious flaws, like this obvious cash grab of a popular IP
+jesus christ you people are annoying
+--- 57907568
+>>57907170
+>flaws, like this obvious cash grab of a popular IP
+Nigger the original game is old enough it could buy a gun, and it still has a fantastic following. How dare they allow those people to play with better graphics, better models, better mechanics, better combat, and with a little twist on the storyline.
+>obvious flaws
+Like what? Name 3
+--- 57907751
+>>57900024
+¡UN FORASTERO!
+--- 57907781
+>>57907568
+1. NO SOUL BUT SPELLED WITH A "V' INSTEAD OF A "U"
+2. The linear progression of time is a constant reminder of my inevitable death
+3. Shut up I hate you zoomer zoomy zoom-zoom goyslop badwrong buzzword I am a mad retard
+--- 57907840
+>>57894123
+Only in CQB and if you suspect you're going to get tangled up in hand to hand
+So it's pretty practical for Leon's situation in RE4
+--- 57907871
+>>57894446
+You can actually replicate his gear identically IRL
+Some of it is a little hard to find these days but the only truly custom part of his kit is the lenses and filters on his gas mask. But people make and sell those to attach to an FM12 so that's covered.
+--- 57908333
+>>57900107
+>>57900648
+>>57906309
+Using US or Russian military designators such as M16, M1911 or AK-47 won't get you in trouble. Using brand names (Python, Mauser, etc) may. I once read here that California law had something to do with this too.
+--- 57908354
+>>57908333
+TLDR no one wants to get railed in a lawsuit because of a mass shooting like Remington did
+--- 57908488
+>>57906309
+It's a mixture of that and wanting to sell tie-in airsoft.
+--- 57909852
+>>57900051
+Why hasn't someone made a pump action shotgun upper for an AR lower?
+Seems kind of obvious now that I think about it.
+--- 57909934
+>>57909852
+https://sofrep.com/gear/pump-action-ar-kit-bentwood-simple-effective/
+--- 57909992
+>>57906549
+They were fucking annoying shut the fuck up and climb a wall of dicks
+--- 57909998
+>>57909934
+Not a shotgun, but it's a start I guess.
+--- 57910007
+>>57909992
+They weren't hunters. They were G adults. Hunters aren't in re2.
+--- 57910410
+>>57907781
+Damn you got me. Thanks for correcting the record
+--- 57910996
+>>57893037 (OP)
+I just bought an xbox one s like a year ago. Why are they only releasing it on the series 1 s only?
+Inb4 poorfag
+I cant justify shelling out for a new console again my original xbox one hasnt even shit the bed yet.
+--- 57911049
+>>57910996
+Bro you’re like 8 years behind on consoles and complaining? Have you tried not being poor?
+--- 57911161
+Thinking about building one of these off my grandfather's 96. Worth it?
+--- 57911356
+>>57911049
+Fuck youre young. I miss being young. I spend most of my spare cash these days on guns and my kids. The last game i spent a lot of time on was FO4 okay? Most modern games are shit. I grew up with KOTOR and a bb gun and now i have responsibilities. Just tell me theyre going to release it on older consoles pls pls pls.
+--- 57911430
+>>57893037 (OP)
+The guns were pretty cool, sound was decent.
+The game was alright, but definitely didn't have the same vibe to it as the original.
+Also, fuck whatever weird render error looking jank they replaced ashley's skirt with was supposed to be.
+--- 57911438
+>>57911356
+>>57911049
+I also collect rare books. Kind of an acquired taste. One of these days youll get wasted on a bottle of 60$ bourbon and wake up to david attenborough talking about penguins because drunk you thought it would be neat to see those little tuxedo niggas catch fish. It WILL happen to you.
+--- 57911604
+The Kendo USP makes my dick wet
+--- 57912348
+>>57911604
+>compensator built into the barrel
+--- 57912515
+>>57911161
+That's a OCP-tier mod. Which fits the bill, considering the OCP is the Umbrella of it's universe.
+--- 57912537
+>>57911161
+Probably not, best to keep grandpa's gun as is
+--- 57912680
+>>57893359
+Remake resident evil Outbreak.
+It would be fucking awesome.
+Resident evil 2 style gameplay with multiple people, working together to finish the level and escape from the crumbling racoon city. 
+
+Resident evil 4 was the worst and best thing to happen to resident evil.
+It’s a great game, but the switch from survival horror to action horror that followed into the next several games and the bombastic, over the top, end of the world storyline’s and dialogue was a big shift from the original.
+
+Resident evil 7 was a breath of fresh air in this regard, as they tried to take it away from the 5/6 action adventure it had been.
+But then 8 just dragged it right back there again.
+--- 57912686
+>>57893037 (OP)
+Grow up manchild
+--- 57912812
+>>57911356
+Lmao pretentious fag I’m probably older than you, have fun with whatever it is you’re doing over there.
+--- 57912921
+>>57912686
+You're on 4chan you faggot nigger.
+--- 57913055
+>>57909992
+>Re2
+>Hunters
+--- 57914351
+>>57911604
+I want to try building a clone but I don't think there's anything even close to that compensator.
+--- 57915095
+>>57914351
+I wonder if you could get one custom machined.

k/57895220.txt

@@ -176,3 +176,157 @@ Anon im scared.
 --- 57902445
 >>57899101
 Nice bruh. Shame the ammo costs blood semen and first borns
+--- 57904603
+I bought a ruger p95 (not my photo) at a show last weekend. It was a little pricy for what it is, but I specifically wanted the chonky two tone aesthetic. I have no idea why I wanted it so badly. Still, it shoots quite well and it came with the chad 15 round mags instead of the cuck 10 round ones. Now I want to find a nice retro holster for it, perhaps a leather shouldy holdy. I am overall happy with the purchase, although it was unnecessary for me to buy. Does anyone else just get the urge to buy something kind of stupid sometimes?
+--- 57904637
+>>57895220 (OP)
+I'm surprised your boolas is even still selling military style assault pistols 
+
+Mine literally will not buy used non-hunting guns, got rid of the milsurp rack, and their gun library is literally nothing but sxs's and new production pythons and cobras
+--- 57905110
+>>57898269
+Why are you simping big brother cuck technology?
+--- 57905177
+Got a m500 retrograde yesterday.
+--- 57905698
+>>57905177
+nice get, just needs a heat shield
+--- 57906039
+>>57904637
+Where in the fuck do you live
+--- 57906551
+>>57904637
+>Europe's strongest gun store
+--- 57906870
+Just picked up a USP v1 in 9mm and I love it. Probably never buying another striker fired gun.
+--- 57906895
+>>57906870
+Fuck stryker fired weapons in general bruh.
+--- 57906909
+>>57906895
+c O p e
+--- 57906924
+>>57906909
+Go fellate your glock you striker loving fairy.
+--- 57907011
+>>57906924
+>imagine being incapable of hitting anything without single action
+I'll out-shoot you with my P80s and LCP any day, grandpa.
+--- 57907117
+>>57896201
+never seen a Ruger with Pachmayrs on them. You've got good taste.
+--- 57907150
+>>57895220 (OP)
+dude that's one hell of a price. I been looking at the P30K because of how much I like the ergos/controls of the P30L, and owning a larger/smaller version of basically the same gun appeals.
+--- 57907350
+>>57907011
+Ah, I see, you're retarded.
+--- 57907565
+Traded up for this tri arc 9mm
+--- 57907802
+Latest was probably pic related for $500.
+Also picked up a B&T 9mm suppressor from my LGS that just got approved.
+--- 57907830
+>>57907802
+what's going on with .40s selling for next to nothing, lately?
+--- 57907908
+>be me in January
+>casual long range shooter
+>eventually get bored
+>hear there’s a clay shooting field near where I live
+>also hear clay is about the most fun you can have with a gun
+>sure why not
+>the field is currently undergoing some maintenance works
+>trade my rifle for a beretta 686 anyway cause I got REAL bored of long range
+>fast forward today
+>field is still closed
+>have yet to fire a single round with my O/U
+>start craving a semiauto 12ga
+send help
+--- 57908302
+>>57907830
+Its always been that way after the panic selling stops. Massive amounts of LEO trade-ins tanked the used market for .40S&W handguns for like the last 15 years. How new are you?
+--- 57908360
+>>57908302
+pretty new, thanks for clarifying!
+--- 57908386
+>>57907908
+I bought a budget o/u (cz redhead deluxe) because my boss wanted me to go clay shooting with him when the seasons change. So far he has not brought it up again. I really hope that I didnt get this for nothing. Its really nice looking, but I have not shot it at all yet.
+--- 57908561
+>>57908386
+iktf
+I want to try clay out so bad
+--- 57908596
+>>57895388
+>Brags about this.
+--- 57908878
+>>57896201
+>Like a beautiful woman with the trashiest tramp stamp.
+--- 57909951
+>>57895429
+Thanks for cluing me in on this. Just went ahead and snagged a P10C for the same, optics ready cut. Money was tight for me past few years, but I'm doing better now. I shot that and the P30L back in 2020 and really liked both, so the latter is what I am eyeing next. 
+
+>>57896703
+Anywhere you've seen a good deal on a P30L? That was the other handgun I was meaning to get. I generally see them in the 700-800 range same as always.
+--- 57910193
+CZ 75 SP01. I’m already gonna change out the firing pin retaining pin like everyone says to. But are there any other upgrades to this gun that people know about?
+--- 57910213
+>>57895220 (OP)
+Nice, I have that exact same pen
+--- 57910223
+>>57910193
+Cajun gun works is the place to go for CZ upgrades. Did a defensive carry package on my CZ75SA and it was glorious
+--- 57910237
+>>57910223
+Based, thank you.
+--- 57910295
+a bren mk3 and several SBR stamps that im too lazy to do anything with
+--- 57910642
+>>57897951
+I got one of those recovers and I think it's pretty rad
+--- 57911065
+>>57906039
+co, aka new california
+--- 57912105
+Glock 43, my third glock. Im a boring person.
+--- 57912119
+>>57895673
+For people who want govt in their gun
+--- 57912254
+>>57904603
+No. but as far as ugly, last century handguns go, you made the right choice fren.
+--- 57912317
+>>57910295
+>several SBR stamps that im too lazy to do anything with
+Lmao, I can relate.
+I've had my Thompson approved for years, but it's a pain in the dick to SBR compared to just slapping a stock on a pistol.
+I only recently got the new barrel for it which took a lot of waiting for a certain guy to get them back in stock and have been slowly procuring some WWII-era parts for it.
+I also want to replace the new production furniture with some surplus stuff.
+--- 57912760
+>>57912317
+Why did you leave our server so long ago man? We miss you. (unless you arn't him)
+I have my AP5 which was an easy SBR, just slap a stock on it but man, hell if i care about anything else. ARs, my glock, its just whatever to it all
+--- 57912766
+>>57907802
+Lol lmao even just got one of these for $480 used never fired old guy wanted retail boss gave him 350 sold it to me for 480 God I love working in an FFL
+--- 57912819
+>>57912760
+You might be thinking of someone else, lmao
+--- 57912847
+>>57895220 (OP)
+I've got that exact gun. It shoots great.
+--- 57912866
+>>57912819
+He had a bunch of cool PCCs too like you. I was just being hopeful man. I really miss our old /pccg/ server. I finally made it to MP5 status and all.
+--- 57914888
+>>57898269
+>Zoomie was too young to remember legislation shoehorned in and rushed to be enacted because of this fag shit.
+--- 57914908
+>>57910642
+...that BETTER be an unregistered brace, boy!
+--- 57914924
+>>57909951
+>Anywhere you've seen a good deal on a P30L?
+Keep checking /hg/ periodically, I'm going to make a habit of posting good HK deals when I see them going forward. My LGS has one for $549 but I put it on hold for myself.
+--- 57914968
+Picked this up today as my second gun, used for $500 3 17 round mags and complementary flashlight

k/57896324.txt

@@ -191,3 +191,58 @@ Op here, thanks for the eye opener. So, all that has to be done to fix this is t
 >>57896324 (OP)
 Do you think boxes are used for cars and APCs and moving vehicles because they like the shape of them, or because they're the most structurally stable shape? What do you think happens to the stability of the structure if you use a sick azz diamond shape that looks d0pe as hell for your APC?
 Why are you 12?
+--- 57904547
+>>57903327
+boxes are inherently not ideal from a structural strength perspective (sharp corners suck ass,) but they're space efficient and easy to make. besides, it's not like someone is going to take your ifv and put it in a gigantic press or chuck it in the depths of the ocean. making ballistic armour for a box is much easier than for an oblate sphere or something. it pretty much goes:
+1. sphere (which is why deep ocean submersibles and fuel tanks for rockets are often that shape)
+2. elongated sphere ie. egg shaped (eggs and some submarines)
+2. cylinder with rounded ends (planes, submarines and gas tanks for industrial use)
+3. pyramid/wedge/etc. (pyramids, fighter planes)
+obviously structural strength isn't the only consideration: a fighter plane would be much stronger if it was spherical in shape - but the aerodynamics would really suck.
+--- 57904579
+nice clearance, genius
+--- 57904614
+>>57896324 (OP)
+I have designed the perfect amphibious APC, it's a catamaran
+--- 57904713
+>>57896324 (OP)
+Sorry to tell ya, my 7 year old already invented this. He probably ate less of the crayons while doing so, too.
+--- 57906189
+>>57904579
+in my head colonial marines just autisticaly and stoically make perfectly flat roads under fire or while being eaten by giant tarantulas and THEN they bring in their gear.
+--- 57906485
+>>57896324 (OP)
+what's the road clearance?
+--- 57907373
+>>57906485
+irrelevant, it's gonna have jump-jets.
+--- 57909773
+>>57902893
+what game is that?
+--- 57912156
+>>57896324 (OP)
+If your design cannot both tank and dish out MBT level firepower it is sub-ape IQ and you should be ashamed
+--- 57912180
+>>57912156
+how the hell do you grab the shells through the basket?
+--- 57912206
+>>57912180
+Sheer force of will
+--- 57912238
+>>57896324 (OP)
+>literally zero headroom
+Where do you fit the electronics and wiring needed for the dorsal hardpoints without ruining the silhouette
+--- 57912288
+>>57909773
+Battlefield 2142. The best fucking Battlefield.
+
+That picture is of the pig disgusting PAC APC. Pic related is the glorious lego block that is the EU PAC.
+--- 57912815
+>>57912156
+Why are these guys sitting on nothing
+--- 57912885
+>>57912815
+These were made for a game that does a really shitty job at not leaking memory, so all of the weird details are so I could either mess around with it or because I didnt feel like it/didnt see it necessary
+--- 57913173
+>>57912815
+yeah, the should scooch together and sit on each other for optimal performance.

k/57896792.txt

@@ -585,3 +585,256 @@ Early February 2022
 > https://pallone.house.gov/media/press-releases/pallone-leads-bipartisan-call-biden-administration-urging-rejection-f-16
 
 This was before the invasion of Ukraine and before Sweden or Finland asked to join NATO, but fast-forward some months to a year and there's retards who've conflated them as if the Greco-Armenian lobby's rejection of F-16s and modernization kits HAS ANYTHING to do with Ukraine or NATO either.
+--- 57903664
+>>57897604
+>Butthurt serb shows up
+--- 57903688
+>>57903547
+>the Greco-Armenian lobby
+>anon...
+Ever heard of Bob Menendez who literally heads the Senate Foreign Relations Committee that has veto power over foreign arms transfer?? Or the dozens of Congressmen with ethnic, familial or political ties to pro-Greek/Armenian special interest?
+
+The Greco-Armenian lobbies campaign against arms sales, security cooperation or anything involving Turkey isn't a theory, they do it in the open and have for decades but more much prominently over the past decade. They have websites and Twitter campaigns about it too and brag about it.
+
+They even came out during the PA Senate election against Dr Oz even though the latter has nothing to do with Turkish politics or geopolitics.
+> https://armenianweekly.com/2022/11/09/dr-oz-defeated-anca-led-coalition-tips-the-scales-in-tight-pennsylvania-senate-race/
+
+Here's his rival crazy Fetterman vowing to turn the Hagia Sophia into a museum, forgetting he's running for US Senate and not Mayor of Istanbul:
+> https://greekcitytimes.com/2022/11/11/newly-elected-us-senator-wants-turkey-to-convert-hagia-sophia-back-to-a-museum/
+> https://orthodoxtimes.com/john-fetterman-as-a-senator-i-will-support-the-struggle-of-the-greek-orthodox-hagia-sophia-must-become-a-museum/
+
+Menendez as SFRC chairman has vowed to veto any F16 or other weapons to Turkey regardless of whether they pass in the Congress itself.
+> https://greekreporter.com/2022/12/08/senator-menendez-veto-f-16-turkey/
+> https://ekathimerini.com/news/1202336/top-us-lawmaker-menendez-objects-to-potential-f-16-sale-to-turkey/
+--- 57903689
+>>57903164
+
+They have watched the turks on who they do business and adapted that model to themself. Orban is the blacksheep in the EU, and if he can get hold on something(=blackmailing) that could benefit him in the long term he will use that. Unfortunately Sweden are used by both turks and hungarians to jusitify their own internal means, plus Sweden is far easier to 'hate' on rather than Finland as the swedish think they have some moral higher grounds. Erdogan/Orban is basically the same kind of guy, just a long-term leader that hold on to power as long as possible, portraying as strong men that keep their ill forsaken countries in good shape which is an illusion as the only ones that benefit is the circle around both leaders. They want to be like Putin and they like to have both West and East so they can earn maxium profits.
+--- 57903893
+>>57898684
+>demanding a huge park that built and maintains its own infrastructure pay you for infrastructure because you're mad that a creative arts company is pro-gays is... Good?
+Party of small government.
+--- 57903907
+>>57901115
+is that a platform you can win an election on?
+I feel like this woke/anti-woke divide that saturated the media has died down due to media deciding to dial down the heat, and probably people growing tired of the same idiotic slapfights playing out continuously.
+--- 57903926
+>>57903471
+>all he did of note was pull back some troops from overseas
+He didn't even do that in his own term. The Republicans held the House, Senate and White House for two years and because they had an utterly ineffective and retarded President with zero agenda and zero chops they got nothing at all done. Trump will be remembered as the least competent president of the post-war era. Even Jimmy Carter was less useless than him.
+--- 57903932
+Lord i hate roaches so much
+--- 57903958
+>>57903932
+It's unreal, really. We need such a massive can of Raid.
+--- 57903985
+>>57897465
+>People will obviously blame Orban for this and his 13 year rule
+If there is anything I've learned about reigns of this length it's the respective parties ability to negate any responsibility for fuck ups during that time and collectively memory hole any decisions that led to negative consequences.
+It just reminds me too much of German conservatives having the audacity to publicly mock the other parties not fixing the problems of the military after 16 years of doing jackshit themselves while in charge.
+--- 57904005
+why are hungarians so mad anyway
+still seething about trianon? it's over a century ago
+--- 57904019
+>>57903658
+It's cute that you think Greece matters. They could leave NATO tomorrow and it wouldn't make a difference. In fact, it'd just result in Turkey going ham on them.
+
+>>57904005
+Hungarians want nothing to do with EU's attempts at federalization or changing their culture.
+--- 57904027
+>>57904019
+>Hungarians want nothing to do with EU's attempts at federalization or changing their culture.
+plenty of countries want the same and yet it's almost exclusively hungary that's seething about everything
+--- 57904058
+>>57904019
+EU doesnt want to change our culture, orvan just needs a constant enemy to point at and blame for the peoples misery while they steal and ruin everything they can. If EU wasnt so soft orban would stfu just like the gypsy did when USA told him to stfu a week ago.
+--- 57904073
+>>57899127
+stfu MHP nigger go die in an earthquake
+--- 57904076
+>>57898223
+>>57898358
+I'd guess you're not Hungarian, but there's 2 things you have to understand - Orban has one of the most chronic cases of small man syndrome, meaning he wants to seem like some geopolitical genius playing 4D chess, but very much like Putin, it only makes him look like an untrustworthy cunt on the West, and a person willing to sell off his country to Russia and China for 'favor' (lol) which never seems to materialize. Both of those views are correct imo. See Belgrade rail line for the Chinese, Russian nuclear plant, Russian investment bank in Budapest etc. I could go on.
+The reality of the Hungarian economy is that we get nothing in exchange for all this kowtowing, and Orban, the great geopolitical genius managed to get us totally addicted to Russian energy, even selling off our future energy security, by building a Russian nuke plant from Russian loans, and buying gas from Russia at record prices, due to there being no other option.
+The reason he actually can get away with all this is he subsidizes German auto plants and suppliers like Chinese and Korean battery plants, along with voting against shit like the global minimum tax and destroying the currency (it lost like a third of its value in a decade)
+
+All this immigration and LGBT stuff is circus for retards, and it seems to work perfectly on the flesh automatons masquerading as human beings that is the Hungarian populace.
+First, nobody actually wants to move here, second, during the elections, they had made a huge stink about countering LGBT propaganda in schools, while simultaneously throwing fucking with teachers who demanded a raise. To put that in context, the average teacher makes less than a street cleaner while requiring university degrees. This means teachers are leaving the profession in droves, and there's literally nobody left to teach in this heckin trad and family focused country.
+
+I won't even go into domestic corruption, needless to say it is all encompassing.
+--- 57904105
+>>57899499
+>The Nordics now understand Russia is a permanent threat
+that has been understood for over a millennium
+its the americans who only now start to understand what everyone who have ever been exposed to them have said since forever
+--- 57904128
+>>57899201
+I thought the was a very direct relationship - the Russian S400s would've had all the opportunity to poke and prod the F35s with their radars, gathering all the signals intelligence in the world, eroding its stealth advantage.
+--- 57904138
+>>57896792 (OP)
+>let Turkey have F-16s so Sweden joins
+>then kick Turkey out and detonate every nuke on Istanbul 
+Do it America.
+--- 57904157
+>>57903237
+who are they indebted to? If its themselves, they can just sort it out. If its the West, it means the West has economic interest in seeing China prosper so they can repay those debts.
+--- 57904170
+>>57904019
+It's actually because Finland and Sweden voted for denying EU gibs to Hungary lmao
+--- 57904208
+>>57897465
+>People will obviously blame Orban for this 
+You don't understand how servile and mindbroken Hungarians are. The war just broke out before the elections with Orban being the biggest Russia cocksucker. 
+Previously the rethoric was all evil commies 1956 - there were signs that this is a line that cannot be crossed with a lot of Fidesz politicans and supporters actively speaking out against Orban. Guess what? - they still won the election in a landslide.
+It's literally 1984 here - 'we've always been at war with Eurasia'
+--- 57904237
+>>57904076
+
+>First, nobody actually wants to move here, second, during the elections, they had made a huge stink about countering LGBT propaganda in schools, while simultaneously throwing fucking with teachers who demanded a raise. To put that in context, the average teacher makes less than a street cleaner while requiring university degrees. This means teachers are leaving the profession in droves, and there's literally nobody left to teach in this heckin trad and family focused country.
+
+Man, that's fucking grim. I had already read that Hungary is suffering from brain drain, but I didn't expect it to be this bad.
+--- 57904247
+>>57904208
+
+The average Hungarian perfectly sees how fucked the situation is, it's the Fidesz-voters that are the problem.
+--- 57904367
+>>57903893
+Conversely, laugh at all the "left wing progressives" suddenly furiously defending a billion dollar corporation's right to supercede the government
+--- 57904370
+>>57899499
+>Russia exists to rebuild its old empire.
+Empire of dust. With each of Putin's invasions Russia has become poorer and less trusted. Before the Georgia invasion world leaders were salivating to get on Putin's good side. Before the Crimea invasion the world leaders were salivating to get a piece of Russia's raw resource economy, making plans such as Nord Stream without a care in the world. Before the Ukraine mainland invasion there was still a strong desire to forgive and forget. Now the Russian state is politically nuclear waste to the point where it's even scaring away money sharks. Honestly us reaching these levels of escalation is the lovechild of Merkel and Obama. Merkel was dragging her feet perhaps for ideological reasons and Obama was scared to make an executive decision out of fear of being wrong. Today the only way the Russians could turn this around is if the entire global economy and industry suddenly and violently reverted to 19th century and then they would have the upper hand with experience. If not, well, then they're fucked.
+--- 57904414
+>>57900428
+Hopefully they're better. I'm just wondering why he spends so much time and effort fucking with foreign countries over fixing his own.
+--- 57904427
+>>57897037
+It is to project soft power, protect Swedish borders, and prevent global war.
+--- 57904470
+>>57903358
+To be fair, the Chinks fell for the same exact pitfalls and subversion has psyopped Western commies into thinking like them.
+So it was easy to pin everything on ideology rather than assume that it was just the old empire in a new fresh coat of paint.
+--- 57904506
+>>57903521
+Erdogan's islamist pandering shit is definitely his, and if it isn't then Turkey has a big fucking problem. The commie shit is more understandable, but he doesn't have any want or desire to know in which way Sweden can satisfy what he wants given that the government will never break the constitution over foreign pressure (which would be a big win for a anti-democratic dictator btw)
+And no, Turkey's concerns definitely are mysterious given the initial lies and deceit about how they'd go about this. The ministers in Sweden only changed their tune when Erdog began barking.
+Grey Wolves have deserved a ban for much longer than 2020, other extremists prompting harder crackdowns on even more extremists isn't a conspiracy, just judicial attention.
+Fact of the matter is that the organization turned from cold war hooligans into Erdogan's covert attack dogs and they seem to intermingle well with shit like TRT if Nyans is any indication.
+--- 57904674
+>>57904019
+ >It's cute that you think Greece matters. They could leave NATO tomorrow and it wouldn't make a difference. In fact, it'd just result in Turkey going ham on them.
+ It's not about Greece proper. They're borderline Armenia tier and have been for decades.
+
+ It's Greek and Armenian diaspora and their lawmakers in Congress, especially Greek American congressmen and allies. They have votes, they have veto power. See: >>57903688
+They denied drones to Turkey in the early 2010s, they denied Patriots for decades, they were always going to cancel the F35 deal one way or another, and have actively been against the F16 deal since 2021.
+--- 57904699
+>>57897465
+>his 13 year rule could come to an end
+My grandkids will love it, for like 2-5 years until things normalize again and we elect another mafia to rob us blind.
+--- 57904706
+>>57896792 (OP)
+Another L for pootin
+--- 57904716
+>>57897037
+Sends a message that EVROPA is unified against Russian aggression
+--- 57904764
+>>57904237
+It's all shit in Central Europe, anon. The whole region has been, and is, riding on the balls of its ass.
+
+-t. Czech
+--- 57905441
+>>57901966
+Florida is barely a government and more like a HOA
+--- 57905472
+>>57897037
+lake nato
+--- 57905513
+>>57903237
+jesus fuck
+--- 57906790
+>>57897037
+None, it's probably so the politicians can get cushy jobs as nato princes
+--- 57906866
+>>57906790
+Good morning, Sir. i am thoroughly demoralized and ready to surrender to Putin
+--- 57906931
+>>57906866
+Russia would lose an invasion of gotland or the mainland one on one, never mind any other alliances. Having to provide turkey with military aid if some retard busts up the middle east again or something is not worth the risk. Need i remind you that we managed fine without NATO during the much more powerful and aggressive soviet union?
+--- 57907163
+>>57896792 (OP)
+
+I think this is non related since the kurdish diaspora in Sweden has been financing and organizing bombings in Turkey since decades. Furthermore, since they are deeply embedded into Swedens biggest party, the Social Democrats, they are untouchable.
+--- 57907610
+My favourite hungarian clownery is how they proclaimed themselves to be anyti islamic and anti arab immigration but they refuse sweden fpr some russian psyop quran burning and the state media enslessly whines about how swedes disrespect islam. 
+What funnier is that the hungay retards bob their head to it.
+Truly a nation of forever losers, God Bless Trianon
+--- 57907658
+Sweden will never ever get in NATO
+--- 57907680
+>>57907658
+Kralovec will get in NATO, and so will Sweden.
+--- 57907850
+>>57899127
+>but that was back in the 80s before Sweden went full cuck mode for leftism
+Anon... This sentence is retardation. Olof Palme was in charge during the 80s. Sweden was borderline socialist.
+You know Palme, the guy that sent aid to the fucking Viet Kong!
+--- 57907974
+>>57898398
+Having 13 year olds arrested for posting memes about cops being fat lazy cowards is not the right fight. It makes you look like an impotent stooge.
+--- 57908680
+>>57902872
+>it's the 'incel raves about race war (but won't do shit)' episode again
+--- 57908875
+>>57903499
+>he Greco-Armenian lobby will not let it through
+Mehmet, lay off the shisha
+--- 57909219
+>>57897264
+>we will never the the Baltic fleet get blown to shit by missiles
+>we will never see the Russian airforce get slaughtered by a few dozend Grippen
+It's not fair.
+--- 57909292
+>>57909219
+Look, anon. No one knows what the future holds, but I feel pretty confident in saying that at a point in the near future, a bottle of vodka is gonna be worth more to your average Russian then a month's wages, so you could potentially just hire the Baltic fleet for a couple of pallets of alcohol to go get themselves killed and end the suffering of being Russian.
+--- 57909304
+Turns out /k/ is full of roaches nowadays. No wonder the board is getting dumber each day.
+--- 57910558
+>>57898223
+>Szarbán
+>right wing
+>family policies
+lol
+lmao, even
+xD, if you will
+--- 57910861
+>>57898223
+>Orban's popularity actually spiked in the aftermath of the Russian invasion, implying that Hungarians as a nation are the issue (likely Trianon butthurt with Ukraine),
+while there is certainly some trianon asshurt among some fidesz voters, the number of people who legitimately care about that "issue" in everyday life isn't as high as it might look. the primary reason for the popularity spike after the invasion was the fact that he used it as part of his fearmongering campaign, and spun the opposing parties' support of Ukraine as "The opposition wants to take your children to fight in Ukraine". His primary voter base, which mainly consists of old people who exclusively watch and read state media and barely literate gypsies who often depend on their local feudal lords (who are always fidesz maggots) to even be able to afford food instantly ate it all up. it's retarded but if you were born here you would eventually stop being surprised at the sheer levels of idiocy these subanimals can display
+--- 57912753
+>>57903188
+>eventually you would have to think of immigration for the country's future
+>assimilation and integration programs should be debatable and variable accross nations, not immigration itself
+
+Third world people create third world shitholes. No amount of ideological and religious pilpul will shift the laws of nature. The long term consequences of shit people immigration into Europe will be local separatist and reconquest movements, which all will be massively anti-american because of reasons that are so obvious they dont need to be mentioned. This antiamericanism will not be limited to only the american government and its agents, but also against american expats, american-funded NGOs, american religious crackpots (particulary mormons) and american companies, which will be seen as subversive agents and enemies of the people. On the other side of this equation you will see local islamist and mafia organisations consisting of foreigners, which will try to enact de facto control of portions of the host country. All of these will be against the national government. These jihadis and mafioses will also be very much against america and americans. American expats in Europe might even end up being kidnapped, exported abroad and then used as raw material in islamist gore videos.
+--- 57912799
+>>57896792 (OP)
+Holy Fuck imagine once moldova and ukraine join nato
+
+color revolution in belarus and they join aswell
+
+all of europe united in the most powerful alliance the world has ever seen
+
+ALL WILL FEAR OUR MIGHT
+--- 57912841
+>>57912799
+loldova and ukraine will never join hato.
+--- 57912958
+>>57912841
+is that kind of like how finland and sweden would never join nato?
+--- 57914236
+>>57903237
+>zeihan
+lmao, this dude panders to his boomer libertarian audience, his entire income relies on ensuring his audience Merica still numba won. He claims the US will be dominant because of 3rd world immigration. He's a fucking joke who thinks race doesn't exist and ignores how AI and other tech will make demographics irrelevant
+--- 57914440
+>>57912841
+You and what army?

k/57897457.txt

@@ -306,3 +306,429 @@ You're a fucking idiot.
 --- 57903424
 >>57897814
 holy shit is that the angry video game nerd?
+--- 57903833
+>>57897457 (OP)
+Wako pirates are not Samurai
+but the extra men per ship and MA bonus does make them useful for holding trade nodes
+--- 57903843
+>>57898296
+Didn't Japan outright conquer Korea multiple times in its history?
+--- 57903934
+>>57897457 (OP)
+How the hell does Japan rely on quantity?
+They have one of the more high-tech militaries in the world.
+Is this what burgers believe? Do they think that U.S fought Japan before it had anything left except bottom of the barrel garrison divisions?
+The Japanese army died fighting against British forces in South East Asia and South Asia before U.S even showed up. There was more Japanese divisions fighting longer and harder in Burma and New Guinea than everywhere that American troops fought the Japanese combined.
+This is like the line of 
+>Shermans don't fight Tigers!
+By only looking at U.S Shermans and conveniently forgetting Americans did fuck all fighting on land in WW2.
+--- 57903943
+>>57903934
+It’s just a Korea sperg being butthurt
+--- 57903983
+>>57903833
+>tfw having to use multiple fleet stacks to trap the Black Ship in Shogun because its movement speed is always faster than your fastest stack
+>tfw you finally bring it to battle
+>tfw glorious boarding action to capture it
+>tfw you get the ship
+>tfw you meme every enemy navy with it from then on
+Shogun 2 was underrated. Shame CA are going back on their promise of 'No 3rd in the series' by doing Medieval 3. Unironically want Empire 2 from Pike & Shot to breech load rifles.
+--- 57904670
+>>57903983
+The death run as you close in for boarding is always pure kino
+--- 57904730
+>>57897729
+>>57897886
+Samefag typing.
+--- 57905192
+>>57897457 (OP)
+>>57897464
+>>57897479
+Too bad, the late 16th century "Wokou" were mostly Chinese (and their gook slaves) imitating Japanese pirates, Kim.
+>Although wokou means "Japanese pirates", major wokou groups in the 16th century were led by Chinese traders whose livelihoods were halted by the Ming trade bans.[26] Because of the extent of corruption in the Ming court, many Chinese officials actually had relations with the pirates and benefited from the piracy, making it difficult for central authorities to control.[27]
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wokou#Later_wokou
+
+Real samurai were so op the king of Spain even issued a royal decree in the 17th century to ban engagement with Japanese soldiers.
+--- 57905223
+Okay war shit aside... How the fuck is egg on toast with bacon Korean street food?
+--- 57906062
+>>57897585
+>>57897557
+Imagine telling every German the landing positions and force makeup at Normandy prior to an invasion. Clearly honor on the battlefield and in antiquity is a failed concept in modern times.
+--- 57906091
+>>57897457 (OP)
+if indeed the spanish were so much better than the japanese armies of the period why didnt they conquer japan? 
+checkmate retards you couldnt beat japan just like they couldnt beat korea/china in that time period
+--- 57906116
+>>57897457 (OP)
+>curbstomped Japanese samurai
+Those were pirates, retard
+--- 57906221
+>>57902019
+>>57902926
+>>57902944
+>>57902982
+Thanks for the effort anon, it's an interesting account. Makes me wish I knew more about european activities in asia at that time.
+Might have to go down that rabbit hole.
+--- 57906283
+>>57899339
+shut up chink faggot
+--- 57906369
+>>57902019
+>>57902926
+>>57902944
+>>57902982
+Based primary source poster
+--- 57908296
+>>57903843
+Never since the beginning of time. However, proto-Koreans conquered proto-Japan similar to how the Romans/Angles/Saxons/Jutes/Vikings/Normans conquered the Celt natives in Britain to form the modern Brit
+--- 57908310
+>>57903934
+The US to Japan kill ratio in ww2 was something like 1:30, possibly more, the difference in quality was staggering
+--- 57908348
+>>57897457 (OP)
+I know this is bait but it depends on the time period.Early japanese armies would have relied on smaller samurai armies. During the Sengoku period they started usinf large armies of commoner infantry.
+--- 57908353
+>>57906091
+Every European sea power used Japan has a trading port with almost no resistance, they enslaved the natives and there were thousands of Japanese sex slaves sold by peoples like the Portuguese all over the world to include India, the Middle East and even Europe, this is well documented
+
+Spain, traveling to the other side of the world, conquered the Philippines to the extent that even today the name of country bears a former Spanish monarch's name (lmfao) despite Japan and China effectively in bordering waters
+
+Keep in mind, Portuguese and Spanish conquistadors were probably around 5'6" 150lb (average for back then) compared to samurais that were probably around 4'9" 100lb without exaggeration
+--- 57908370
+>>57902019
+>>57902926
+> just trust me bro I heard it from my weabo tranny sister who swears they have the real accounts of what happened through their reliable sources
+
+Lmfao, I'll take the historical accounts over any western euro records over china/japan fiction
+--- 57908378
+>>57902926
+>>57902944
+>>57902982
+Based
+
+And as an aside, I can't think of many times when pirates, of any race or nation, went up against a regular military force and won. Would OP likewise claim that the white man is bad at warfare because the nascent US Navy turned out to be incapable of protecting its own commerce from the Barbary pirates, lost one of their larger warships to the Tripoli pirates, and had to resort to paying a ransom to those pirate states to stop the attacks on US merchantmen?
+--- 57908381
+>>57897464
+>call your ships Junk
+>lose
+what were you expecting
+--- 57908421
+>>57908370
+>t.
+--- 57908443
+>>57897457 (OP)
+>japs have never been known for quality
+Hey come on give em atleast the credit they're due. They had some pretty good planes and submarines in ww2. Surface fleet was just okay though.
+--- 57908452
+>>57905192
+Fucking nip displaying their inferiority complex, this is a picture of actual samurai, they were all around 4'9" and 100lb at best some actually less than 100lb, a typical Euro peasant back then would beat the ever loving shit out of a dozen of these munchkins without breaking a sweat let alone a Spanish conquistador
+
+The 60 conquistadors killing 1000 samurais sounds crazy until you realize that all of the samurais were the size of 11 year olds
+--- 57908457
+>>57908421
+Lol why is that nip punching himself? Is it because he realized that he will never grow taller than an average euro teenaged girl? Lmfao
+--- 57908484
+>>57905192
+>A Spanish royal decree of 1609
+Do you have the reference for this claim? I can't find that in online spanish archives.
+--- 57908486
+>>57897457 (OP)
+I've always been convinced that western ingenuity and valuing 'outside the box' thinking is something that only whites value. I'm not sure if it's something only whites can do period, or just something only we value. Either way, it's the main cause of military curbstomps like this when someone who can think fights someone who just follows orders.
+
+And yes, Spaniards are white. This battle took place a few decades after the reconquista if memory serves, and any Spanish that weren't fucked by the moops are absolutely white.
+--- 57908525
+>>57903934
+>bottom of the barrel 
+>not their elite naval forces 
+Weeb plz. The forces in China and Burma WERE the bottom of the barrel in quality, both theaters were seen as second line occupation duty while the Pacific Campaign was seen as the most important theater. 
+>the defense of Japanese soil of Iwo Jima and Okinawa wasn't important 
+Go wack off on your body pillow and don't post here again.
+--- 57908530
+>>57908443
+> They had some pretty good planes and submarines in ww2
+
+I assume you are being sarcastic? The hellcat had a 19:1 kill ratio over the zero, 5,156 zeros shot down in less than two years...lmfao
+
+Again, quantity over quality never works
+
+https://theaviationgeekclub.com/heres-why-an-imperial-japanese-fighter-pilots-first-encounter-with-the-f6f-hellcat-was-usually-his-last/
+--- 57908544
+>>57903934
+>fuck all land fighting 
+>North Africa, Italy, France, Germany 
+>fuck all
+>b-but muh USSR
+The casualties you take aren't a measure of your prowess you dumb bitch.
+--- 57908546
+>>57908486
+Is this why the Huns, Turks and Mongols steamrolled Europe for thousands of years to an extent that all Europeans today carry Turko-Mongol y dna? Keep in mind the Turko-Mongols were almost always vastly outnumbered by Europeans but still curbstomped Euros will kill ratios sometimes as high as 100: 1 Lmfao
+--- 57908554
+>>57908370
+But he posted historical account
+--- 57908563
+>>57897457 (OP)
+>The Japanese have never really been known for quality, only quantity like China
+Name a single chinese car brand
+--- 57908573
+>>57908486
+Spain is white to the same extent the Moors are white, the Moors colonized Spain for over 1000+ years and EVERY SINGLE human in Iberia was mutted by Moorish blood
+
+Think how long 1000 years is to be colonized, the US is only ~250 old and 250 years ago the new world was almost 100% natives and largely undeveloped, the proof is in the genetics
+--- 57908588
+>>57908486
+>western ingenuity and valuing 'outside the box' thinking is something that only whites value
+I see that you've not worked with germans, lol
+>Spanish that weren't fucked by the moops
+The moor invaders were mostly non-arabs to begin with, and while they replaced the previous goth elites and nobility, most of the original population just converted to islam. The same happened in reverse later during the Reconquista, which was the reason why the Inquisition was actually created: to seek out false converts to Christianity that keep practicing their old religions.
+Until the big inmigration wave from the 2000s, most native spaniards ranged from irish looking gingers to arab-looking people with all the shades and hair colours in between. Today there's a fuckton of native south american blood, though.
+--- 57908609
+>>57908563
+Lol this mindset is why nips (and whatever flag you are really from) are thirdies in spirit, who the fuck said anything about car brands? The only car brands that are worth a shit are German, every Japanese brand makes cheap shit barely better than the Chinese car brands that actually outsell Japanese car brands today you dumbfuck
+
+If anything bringing up car brands is more evidence that Japanese products are cheap as fuck, you really think your toyota or honda can compete against bmw, mercedes, porsche? LMFAO
+--- 57908620
+>>57908573
+Not that it matters much, but you're wrong anyway.
+--- 57908635
+>>57897457 (OP)
+>Japanese have never really been known for quality, only quantity like China
+My civics have been more reliable than any other cars Ive had
+--- 57908637
+>>57908421
+Sometimes I wonder how do people, who was born with chud face, live their daily life.
+--- 57908638
+>>57897464
+>phillipines
+
+You beat an average size family of sea mexicans, Juan.
+--- 57908641
+>>57908609
+>The only car brands that are worth a shit are German
+You know nothing about cars and it shows, lol
+--- 57908664
+>>57908370
+He literally posted a primary source you fucking retard. Learn2read.
+--- 57908687
+>>57908620
+Lol this has been largely debunked as powerpoint tier by some white nationalist, the actual genetics not to mention any common persons eyes says differently, this is similar to how germans try to cover up that their genetics all contain turko-mongol y dna from the thousands of years of being slaves to the "eastern barbarians" going back to the days when the germans had to flee their ancetral homeland (in current day Kazakhstan) and migrate/colonize the weaker native Europeans
+--- 57908710
+>>57908635
+I had a toyota camry rental recently, sure it was probably reliable but was naseating as fuck to drive and felt fucking pedestrian like a car built for 80 year old geriatrics, compared to say an m3 or a 911, you couldn't pay me to own a piece of shit like a civic
+--- 57908743
+>>57908641
+Ok boomer, I've owned over 50 cars over the past few decades and can tell you that there are no cars, not a single model, under $50k that is not a piece of garbage, its obvious you've never driven a panamera or an m5, you do you with your civics and subarus and tell the whole world you are indeed a faggot, I'll stick with German, the only exception is full size trucks and there only buy US brands, would take a single raptor over a lifetime supply of corrollas
+--- 57908777
+>>57908664
+No you didn't you samefag faggot, all credible historical records show that a handful of conquistadors curbstomped an endless horde of munchkin samurais even though the conquistadors were literally on the other side of the world and they barely broke a sweat, the historical accounts imply that the japanese samurais were actually easier to mog than the native sudacas
+--- 57908810
+>>57897457 (OP)
+Weren't pistol bandoliers, like pic rel, adapted to combat Jap pirates.
+--- 57908818
+>>57908777
+What historical records would those be? The source he posted is from the Spanish side’s account of the situation.
+>inb4 I was just pretending to be retarded
+--- 57908823
+>>57908777
+>all credible historical records show that a handful of conquistadors curbstomped an endless horde of munchkin samurais
+Post them then
+--- 57908865
+>>57908452
+I doubt it's a nip, actual japs have no problem admitting they were sandal wearing rice niggers.
+--- 57908893
+>>57908687
+Here's the paper: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30914710/
+Feel free to provide a counter analysis to it.
+>any common persons eyes says differently
+You don't know shit about Spain besides retarded tropes. Even before the germanic goth invaders the Iberian peninsula was a mix of ancient Iberians, celts, greeks, phoenicians, romans, and the people from the empire they brought in. The "arab appearance" was pretty much the same as many of the previous inhabitants to begin with.
+And while people from northern spain tend to have a certain phenotype (like basques), 500 years of internal displacements have blurred the lines all over the place.
+
+By the way, Spain was doing fine until it became attached to germanic autistic religious wars. Had Spain focused in their Empire instead of wasting all their riches away in retarded forest nigger infighting in northern Europe, their original institutions wouldn't have been destroyed and corrupted until they become absolutist, broke and innefectual. Read nigga, read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolt_of_the_Comuneros
+--- 57908956
+>>57908525
+That's incorrect. China was the army's top priority up until late 1944, when the Pacific war was already lost. The Pacific was the navy's priority. The two services had completely divergent strategic viewpoints, and Japan's war effort was hamstrung by it. Japan's civilian government and military leaders were far from a monolith with a single goal in mind. They very rarely managed to agree, let alone reach an unhappy compromise.
+
+>>57908530
+Are you being sarcastic? Quantity over quality is literally what won the war for the US. By the time new airframes like the Hellcat and Corsair were introduced, the IJN's elite flying corps had been attrited by the fighting in 1942 and could not be replaced. Japan simply didn't have the time or training infrastructure to do it. The US could have won the war building nothing but more Yorktowns and F4Fs. The Hellcat's 19:1 kill ratio is because its pilots were shooting down novices that could barely get off the ground. It's fucking dumb to act like every Hellcat kill was an honorabru 1v1 against a Japanese fighter, they were also shooting down bombers and recon aircraft, and that's part of that ratio as well. You can think of the ratio like Erich Hartmann's record. There's a shitload of defenseless bombers in there relative to the number of enemy fighters downed.
+--- 57908968
+>>57908452
+I may understand having bamboo bows, but having bamboo arrow shafts... lmfao
+I wonder how well they did against European cuirasses.
+--- 57908993
+>>57908810
+Carrying multiple pistols was seen as something pirates did. People didn’t want to be thought of as a pirate generally didn’t do that even if it was a good idea. Consider it like modern day future doctors showing off their Glocks with ‘stendos and switches.
+--- 57909020
+>>57908993
+Well first accounts of using pistol bandoliers came from encounters with Japanese/Asian pirates by the Spanish/Portuguese/Dutch. Ironically it became an iconic pirate thing to do, even though it was adapted to combat piracy.
+--- 57909553
+>>57908823
+> just trust me bro my tranny sister told me so at our tranny affirmation meeting
+
+Shut the fuck up faggot
+--- 57909603
+>>57908956
+Shut up faggot
+
+The US had something like 50,000 killed in ww2 INCLUDING the European front where the real fighting was happening, the Japs had over 3+ million killed, quality always beats quantity you fucking tranny
+--- 57909620
+The military quality advantage of Western Europe and Iberia in particular around that time was pretty incredible. There really was nothing that could quite match up to Portuguese carracks and how they were literally able to shit on every oriental empire from the Ottomans to India to Indonesia, China, and Japan. Only the Japanese were smart enough to start copying the Portuguese.
+--- 57909646
+>>57909603
+This pic says it all, the US mogs all in warfare and its not even close, we beat the fuck out of the world and ended up ruling it after killing all of our adversaries with barely a scratch, the reason why the japanese ran out of combat assets is PRECISELY because of their quantity over quality approach to everything in their culture, they thought they could throw millions of soldiers and sailors and think it works, whereas the US focuses on quality and why our kill ratio mogs thirdies like japan, russia, germany, china, etc.
+--- 57909657
+>>57909646
+--- 57909714
+>>57903934
+>There was more Japanese divisions fighting longer and harder in Burma and New Guinea than everywhere that American troops fought the Japanese combined.
+>retard forgetting that the US Army fought heavily in both Burma and New Guinea
+t. burger with two great-uncles that fought in Burma and New Guinea respectively
+--- 57909754
+>>57908635
+I used to have a Japanese made Fender Stratocaster. Only guitar I’ve ever regretted selling.
+--- 57909838
+16th century Spanish military is so underrated. The most /k/ era. Swords, shields, pikes, guns and cannons. Tercios were arguably the best infantry forces at the time
+
+https://youtu.be/4y6agtVxWi8 [Embed]
+--- 57909840
+>>57908588
+>which was the reason why the Inquisition was actually created: to seek out false converts to Christianity that keep practicing their old religions.
+Fun fact, a significant amount of jews fled Spain during the early colonization of the New World/Spanish Empire. They're called "conversos" and something like 25% of latinx have jewish DNA. Explains a lot.
+
+>>57908554
+This is 4chan. Facts don't matter. 
+
+>>57908452
+euro peasants? What about 6'5 k-bulls like yourself? 
+
+>>57908956
+To be fair, and this is coming from an actual Imperial Japan Apologist (Nanking's death toll was inflated and Pearl Harbor only happened because of FDR's commie fuckery), US hardware was almost always superior to their Japanese equivalents on a 1 to 1 basis, with a few minor exceptions. Doctrine too, that's something that rarely gets touched on. Saying that the US' victory* in any theater of the war was based entirely on quality over quantity is a gross oversimplification. Even much maligned US equipment like the BAR and Sherman were at least decent, and usually better than they get credit for. 
+
+*Inb4 muh USSR. Stalin himself said that without lend-lease they would have lost. They got something like half of their aviation fuel from us, plus endless ammo, food, steel, equipment etc. Nothing like using the "Arsenal of Democracy" to help out mass murdering communists, eh? 
+
+>>57909646
+Gookshill, why do you hate Germans? The Japanese I can understand, but I've noticed that you seem to hate Germans as well.
+--- 57909889
+>>57909603
+>The US had something like 50,000 killed in ww2
+405,399 KIA. which was a lot better than the japanese, but you're retarded.
+--- 57909891
+>>57909840
+A german probably fucked his gook crush
+--- 57909948
+>>57909603
+Why are you projecting korean tranny cuck ?
+You would get fucked up IRL if you said that kind of bullshit, remember this
+--- 57910025
+>>57909553
+So you can't post them, tranny porn addict
+--- 57910121
+>>57909840
+>US hardware was almost always superior to their Japanese equivalents on a 1 to 1 basis
+Not until the mid-war period, when the US steamroller was unstoppable. And besides that, superior in what regard? If you're talking small arms, small arms don't have an impact on the big picture unless it's a very lopsided situation like cannon and repeating rifles against spears and bows. If you mean tanks, you have a valid point after 1942. Aircraft, likewise is not until mid-1943 when Hellcats and Corsairs enter the war. The A6M and G4M were excellent aircraft when introduced, the real failing from the IJN was not improving on them sooner.
+
+If you're talking ships, Japanese carriers and battleships other than the Yamatos were generally comparable to US ships of equivalent age. Japanese heavy cruisers generally carried more armor and more weapons than their US counterparts. Japanese destroyers were also far more heavily armed than their American counterparts, though were optimized for surface warfare. Japanese submarines ranged from below average to excellent, and their weapons were far superior to the American torpedoes. The subs were let down by doctrine more than anything else.
+
+>Doctrine too... Saying that the US' victory* in any theater of the war was based entirely on quality over quantity is a gross oversimplification
+It really isn't. Show me any battle in the Pacific after Guadalcanal that the US could have conceivably lost. Even when invading the Philippines, if Kurita actually destroyed the transports off Leyte it would have been a setback for the US that wouldn't have changed the final outcome. There's no instance where Japanese island garrisons weren't outnumbered 4:1 or more, and the US also has naval and aerial dominance the whole time. The Japanese were trading pretty evenly with the USN at Guadalcanal despite heavy disadvantages, and King literally said he followed an attritional strategy because he could make up his losses and the Japanese couldn't.
+--- 57910243
+>>57910121
+US frontline troops had higher levels of support weapons and artillery to say nothing of armor and mechanized transport than anything the Japanese did. US Wildcats were slower than the Zero but had far more armor, and often times the Japanese took off things like radios and armor in order to increase speed at the cost of dying to near misses. Later on while on paper the Japanese still had good planes like the George, they also used stupidly unreliable engines like the Homare that required American levels of quality control to be functional (spoiler: they didn't have quality control). This was compounded by the fact that the elite Japanese air corps was attritioned at a high rate and the high recruitment standards meant that losses could not be replaced, eventually leading to the use of greener pilots that suffered drastically against increasingly veteran US pilots.
+Japanese ships were also pieces of shit since half of the carriers were adopted from battlecruiser or battleship builds or just flat out converted from civilian vessels. The battleships were fine since they were based off of British builds, but the carriers for instance took nearly an hour to launch strikes because they didn't have non-dogshit elevators on the carriers and so the whole strike had to be brought up plane by plane, one at a time, to prep it for launch, while American carriers could launch in half that time. Not to mention that Japanese crews were hyperspecialized and many had no idea how to do damage control while on American ships everyone did. Japanese surface combatants had better torpedoes (assuming the long lances didn't just explode due to being incredibly volatile) but their gunnery sucked and their fire control in particular was terrible compared to the American ships. Submarines were fine though, the doctrine was the issue for them.
+--- 57910266
+>>57910243 (me)
+Also Japanese AAA was godawful, I can't think of any instance of Japanese AAA actually being effective. The guns had poor range and couldn't do enough damage to planes to bring them down, while the US had proximity fuzes that literally fucked any Japanese plane unfortunate enough to be in the vicinity. The Japanese did have that beehive AA battleship shell but that was a meme and everybody knew it.
+--- 57910267
+>>57897479
+Kek pirate samurais, that's new
+--- 57911455
+>>57909620
+>The military quality advantage of Western Europe and Iberia in particular around that time was pretty incredible. There really was nothing that could quite match up to Portuguese carracks 
+
+Portugal literally lost twice to a dilapidated 16th century Ming navy during the battles of Tunmen and Xicaowan.
+--- 57911635
+>>57908457
+if i remember correct it was a chinese guy, a lot of chinese are known of doing this retarded shit.
+Some of them started hitting themselves because Pelosi went to Taiwan lmao.
+--- 57911688
+>>57897457 (OP)
+Thing is, they learned from this. After Portuguese traders showed up with matchlocks, they bought some and attempted to copy them. At first they were unsuccessful in developing the barrel boring technology (Japanese metallurgy was made of very different techniques compared to Europe) so one swordsmith sought out Portuguese traders who knew. He offered his daughter's hand in marriage and learned how to bore barrels from one Portuguese merchant. Within a few years they had hundreds of thousands of Tanegashima matchlocks that were comparable to European ones, and they became one of the per capita most heavily armed nations on earth. That's one thing that greatly helped the Japanese from the 1600s to 1900s, when they realized they had a deficiency they scrambled to make up for it.
+--- 57911729
+>>57909840
+>Gookshill, why do you hate Germans? The Japanese I can understand, but I've noticed that you seem to hate Germans as well.
+He fucking hates Europeans except when they buy K2 and Chunmoo.
+--- 57912358
+>>57897603
+>>57897814
+>>57898805
+>>57909603
+Posting your image on 4chan is frowned upon.
+--- 57912460
+>>57910243
+>US frontline troops had higher levels of support weapons and artillery
+This is a quantitative advantage, not a qualitative one. You are literally making my point for me.
+
+>armor and mechanized transport
+This is of limited utility in the Pacific. Also, the US started with M2A4s at Guadalcanal, and only had Stuarts at the end. All are roughly equivalent to their Japanese counterparts, the Type 89, 95, and 97. Beyond that, you're in the midwar period which, as I said, it didn't matter what the US fielded.
+
+>Wildcats were slower than the Zero but had far more armor
+The armor advantage is overstated. The only "armor" the F4F had were small plates the front and back of the cockpit, and a bulletproof windscreen. Nothing that would stop a 20mm. Most of the Wildcat's success in 1942 was due to early warning by coastwatchers in the Solomons, and even then they traded about even with the A6M. 115 F4Fs to 106 A6Ms lost from all causes from August 1 to November 15. If they didn't get early warning to get airborne and above the incoming strike, you get the Oct 2nd experience
+>On 2 October 1942, a Japanese air raid from Rabaul was not detected in time and the Cactus Air Force lost six Wildcats to only one Zero destroyed
+
+>the Japanese took off things like radios
+Radios were removed in 1942 from A6Ms only, because radio shielding was one of the things that had been cut to get the A6M to the range and maneuverability desired. This made them nigh useless due to magnetic interference in the South Pacific, so most pilots removed them. Other aircraft types had shielded radios which worked fine.
+>and armor
+This never happened.
+
+>the elite Japanese air corps was attritioned at a high rate
+I already said this, you are agreeing with me. US pilots, while less skilled overall than the Japanese in the early war, could be rotated out and rested. The Japanese were forced to keep flying because recalling them means no pilots at all. This is a quantitative advantage for the US.
+--- 57912480
+>>57910243
+>half of the carriers were adopted from battlecruiser or battleship builds
+So were Lexington and Saratoga. Hiryu and Soryu, along with the cranes, were all built from the ground up as carriers though. Hiryu and Soryu weren't much different from Wasp.
+
+>converted from civilian vessels
+This was a feature, not a bug. This was Japan actively skirting the naval arms treaties to have jeep carriers and auxiliary fleet carriers already built that, in event of war, only required a short period in the yards to convert them to flattops and supplement the big fleet carriers. Note also that the US equivalent escort carriers (Sangamon) were converted oilers.
+
+>but the carriers for instance took nearly an hour to launch strikes because they didn't have non-dogshit elevators on the carriers and so the whole strike had to be brought up plane by plane, one at a time, to prep it for launch, while American carriers could launch in half that time
+What the actual fuck am I reading? Please, for the love of God, read Shattered Sword. The US was a fucking basket case when it came to deck operations in 1942. The IJN pioneered this before the war even started. They got strikes off far faster than the USN did. The US was not at any point in 1942 or 1943 launching full strike packages in 30 minutes.
+
+>Not to mention that Japanese crews were hyperspecialized and many had no idea how to do damage control
+This is partially true, but it's more true that what killed the Japanese carriers at Midway (taking hits with armed and fueled aircraft onboard) would kill any carrier. Franklin and Bunker Hill both took far less serious hits with aircraft on board, but both were gutted and out of the war. On the Japanese side you have Shokaku taking 4-6 much heavier bombs, yet still making it home to be repaired and returned to action in 3 months. The only carrier in the war I know of that was hit harder and lived was Illustrious. There's other IJN ships that suffered heavy damage but made it home.
+--- 57912488
+>>57910243
+>assuming the long lances didn't just explode due to being incredibly volatile
+You're behind the times. Chokai's torpedo launchers and facilities are all intact and pristine. They could be detonated by bomb hits or extended exposure to fire, but literally what ammunition or fuel source wouldn't have been? Long Lances did pretty well in the Solomons attriting basically every heavy cruiser in the US and Australian inventory.
+
+>their gunnery sucked and their fire control in particular was terrible
+Sounds like all you know about the IJN is what you read in Last Stand of the Tin Can Sailors. Essentially, when sailors that haven't slept and have been subjected to constant air attack and submarine attack for 3 straight days finally find enemy surface forces. In that context, it's a miracle Yamato hit Gambier Bay to begin with. Compare to the Solomons, when they were doing time-on-target attacks and landing main battery hits on US cruisers simultaneously with their torpedoes hitting the US formation. Even at the end of the Solomons campaign, they were still better at night-time gunnery than the US was. Surface radar was not yet at the point where it could provide the entire firing solution to US guns. It could give range, but bearing still had to be determined visually to be accurate enough for a gun solution, and US fire directors regularly blinded themselves with their own gun flashes.
+
+>>57910266
+>Also Japanese AAA was godawful
+Comparable to the US in the early war, which is really the only period that mattered. By late war (the US didn't have proximity fuzes until the Guadalcanal campaign was decided), even if the Japanese magically had USN-tier AAA on their ships they would still lose. The absolutely obscene amount of US carriers and aircraft they carried were something that the Japanese could never overcome, no matter how qualitatively good their ships and equipment were.
+--- 57913204
+>>57908378
+Wokou Pirates are different, they gathered in huge fleets with thousands and even tens and thousands of men thanks to chaos in Japan and the Chinese sea-travel bans fucking up the livelihood of Coastal Chinese/Japanese communities.
+
+The problem became way worse when the Ming Dynasty fell in the 1640s and the Manchus invaded. The entire ex-Ming navy went rogue and was ruled by Koxinga, an ex-admiral turned pirate. He commanded such a massive force that he was able to challenge Europeans openly and take one of their colonies (Fort Zeelandia in Dutch Formosa).
+--- 57913514
+ITT: Seething /pol/cel weeb chuds defending their beloved tranime nation
+--- 57913549
+>>57911688
+> ‘offered his daughter ie whored her out per japanese tradition
+> still get curbstomped by koreans a decade later despite 5:1 population advantage
+
+Lmfao
+--- 57913572
+Ww2 pacific theatre:
+
+US 50k killed
+Japs 3+ million killed and would have been a complete genocide if not giving up like bitches
+
+That’s all anybody remembers from that part of the war
+--- 57913642
+>>57913549
+>still get curbstomped by koreans a decade later despite 5:1 population advantage
+And then the Japs subjugated your country. I don't see how you think you're above them when they quite literally took over your nation later.
+--- 57914913
+>>57897473
+>Wako pirates

k/57897489.txt

@@ -85,3 +85,184 @@ Ai?
 A.G. Russell Wharncliffe Swayback Jack
 
 https://agrussell.com/knife/A-G-Russell-Wharncliffe-Swayback-Jack--RUS-IJ13S
+--- 57905421
+>>57899936
+Your knives are nice, but they are too expensive for me.
+
+Are these pictured better grip-wise?
+
+>>57899997
+I have a fixed blade dagger, but now I want something inconspicuous or rather casual looking, with a degree of practicality.
+--- 57906193
+>>57905421
+those are better gripwise, although i would say it's better for the butt to be more flat than pointed
+--- 57906325
+>>57898708
+Looks like a swell knife for openeing packets/bockses
+--- 57906370
+>>57897489 (OP)
+that man is way too fat to carry all those knives on his belt
+those pants are in serious danger of just sliding down
+--- 57906420
+Is the SEAF MK2 all hype? 
+
+Seems to be CPM154 don't know if this is made by Dauntless or half face blades
+--- 57906590
+My new fishing knife what do you think?
+--- 57906594
+>>57906420
+>$500 for a 4" dagger in memesteel
+>Sells out in an instant because every keyboard commando wants one on his desk
+Do you really need to ask?
+--- 57906667
+>>57906590
+How the hell are you gonna catch fish with that knife?
+Get a fishing pole, buddy
+--- 57906864
+>>57906590
+i like the fishmeat-like scales
+
+>>57906420
+at this pricepoint you are just paying for pedigree so you can show the other dudes that you're a true pseudo-OPER8TOR
+--- 57906925
+post tacticool
+--- 57906947
+Bud finished this recently, very exciting. Do you guys like cool knives or are we gonna look at the same rotation of mainstream shit?
+--- 57906950
+>>57906925
+I like your Emersons fren
+--- 57907082
+>>57906667
+>he doesn't knifefight large catfish in his local lake
+ngmi
+--- 57907224
+why the fuck do so many crkt folding knives have two things you need to do to open or close the knife? why would anyone want this?
+--- 57907283
+>>57907224
+I'm not a huge CRKT fan, but I will say that their dual locking systems are fine once you get used to them.
+--- 57907967
+>>57907224
+it's for trailer-dwelling camo trucker hat guys who want a strong lock because they have knife combat fantasies, but refuse to pay for anything above liner/frame locks
+--- 57908243
+>>57907967
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MxCDbAW638 [Embed]
+--- 57908357
+>>57908243
+>useless American knife cannot even baton a can of tuna!
+--- 57908767
+>>57906925
+
+Love the Pacific, I got a kydex made up by Grommet's Leathercraft because I can never stand those ballistic nylon sheathes. It was pretty much the only company I could find that would make them. Usually I use A.Z.Welke or a smaller guy under the name 7rattlesbushcraft.
+--- 57909615
+>>57906594
+>CPM154
+>memesteel
+--- 57910358
+>>57897898
+>The issue with op pic is completely described in how the man is standing.
+Yes, people who push the shopping cart with their wrists or elbows are life undeserving of life.
+--- 57910610
+>>57906925
+--- 57910787
+>>57898817
+>Being that into knives in public, to me, just means "I'm a very armed felon".
+
+i learned this is a thing from kali muscle. him and all of his felon buddies just carry knives everywhere they go because he can't carry a gun. negro still thinks he's in prison. I haven't seen his videos lately but I wouldn't be surprised if hes dead by now.
+--- 57910825
+>be me
+>going to range innawoods
+>stop at Walmart to buy earplugs for younger sibling
+>had a machete on belt because the path can get overgrown since nobody really maintains it regularly
+>nobody says anything to me
+--- 57910876
+This bevel is thinner than what I'm used to. I cant believe this knife chips so much. Its gonna be fun to resharpen this
+>pic related 
+>CRKT TSR
+
+>>57906420
+Goddamn, what a joke. $900 on ebay. Just buy a gun at that point
+
+>>57906590
+Nice. Post the first fish you catch and clean with it
+
+>>57906947
+That's some clean work your bud did. What's the blade steel and the handle materials? How does it flip?
+--- 57910896
+>>57910825
+Based Walmart Machete bro
+
+>>57910819
+Cringe Urban SAK user
+--- 57910939
+>>57897489 (OP)
+What's the knife type called where it springs out of the casing upwards and then goes back down and hides inside of the case?
+--- 57911130
+>>57897489 (OP)
+>When are you ever going to need a knife in a space figh...ACK!
+
+What is the best combat knife for space Spartans?
+--- 57911255
+Fl anon, do constitutional carry laws cover knives? We're getting one come July.
+--- 57911291
+>>57897489 (OP)
+>Does carrying an oversized knife mean that you have a tiny dick?
+
+Me: It definitely does.
+
+Picrel is also me
+--- 57911516
+>>57897489 (OP)
+Is the Benchmade SOCP fixed blade a total meme? Looking at it for a carry blade to stick in my pants
+--- 57911541
+>>57911516
+It's fine in its intended use case of being stuck in the MOLLE loops on your plate carrier, but if you just want something pointy for stabbing your way out of a grapple then there are more reasonable options
+--- 57911554
+>>57897489 (OP)
+spyderco paramilitary 2
+--- 57911566
+>>57911541
+I've also been looking at Kabar TDIs and some clinch picks. Thoughts?
+--- 57911599
+>>57911566
+Yeah, one of those would be fine.
+--- 57911776
+>>57911516
+>>57911566
+all 3 of those choices are solid as last ditch stabberino devices. i don't like the SOCP since there is like a 99.9% chance i would just use my knife to do EDC shit and never stab someone anyway
+--- 57911821
+>>57911776
+>he doesn't have a second knife just for stabbing people
+--- 57912165
+>>57911821
+i can understand having a big knife and small knife while doing stuff like camping, but the EDC'er "muh polite knife, and muh killing knife" thing is truly peak-level knife autism
+--- 57912314
+>>57912165
+"muh leatherman that gets abraded to shit on cardboard and shit" & "muh razor sharp hobo-stabbing knife that never clears leather unless it's going to draw blood"
+--- 57912371
+>>57910610
+
+What's the Ryu like? Debating on getting one to add to the massive pile of knives I barely use and that was always a nice looking one to me.
+--- 57912379
+>>57911255
+Sometimes knife laws can be wildly different than gun laws. I don’t know Florida’s laws on it specifically but I recommend looking into it.
+--- 57912489
+>>57911255
+Not sure if they're covered in that, though if they've got constitutional carry they're likely to be pretty lax on knife laws. Check your states laws just to be sure
+--- 57912687
+Regarding hobo stabbers; out of all the knives I own (besides folding ones) they're the ones I carry most because I live in a high crime city and liked the concept of a 'gtfo me'/'weapon retention' knife EDC boors constantly go on about to pair up with your CCW. The ones I have are fairly expensive though so losing 200-300 dollars to an evidence locker if I had to use one is a cost I'm gonna have to eat. 
+
+Auxiliary Manufacturing, Offensive Industries, Milmak, Sosby, Bastinelli, Joe Watson, Gregg Moffatt, Tracker Dan and many others all make excellent small fixed blades for that purpose but with price tags. The cheaper options I rotate in between some of the aforementioned I own are a CRKT Minimalist Katana with Flytanium scales (highly recommended), CRKT Obake for its thinness and that epoxy resin grip and a Schrade Sharpfinger because I figured it was good enough for Sonny Barger to fuck people up with and they're so cheap I wanted to practice Jap-Wrapping and putting a second edge on them.
+--- 57913640
+>>57909615
+--- 57914421
+>>57912371
+it feels great in hand. the blade has a very sturdy/thick kind of geometry despite being somewhat slicey. Niolox is similar to D2 or S30V so you can't go full retard with it, but it can still do bushcrafty things if you had to. i haven't had the heart to beat it up yet though.
+--- 57914819
+>>57897489 (OP)
+>>57899063
+>>57899974
+>When you see it you'll shit bricks
+FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
+--- 57914823
+>>57906947
+Wharnecliff/sheepsfoot edges are the best blade geometry. Very nice

k/57897830.txt

@@ -25,25 +25,14 @@ so is the faggot shit infesting patch threads some elaborate bait or has /k/ rea
 --- 57898816
 >>57898802
 How can you be into this type of stuff and look your dad in the eye at the same time
---- 57898951
->>57898812
-unironically tranny redditors
-I'm assuming some of those discord nigger trannys figured that if they just spammed ookraine threads daily for nine months and called everyone who found that tiresome vatniks that they could drive off all of the people who actually own guns
-it seems like it's worked, unfortunately
 --- 57898953
 >>57898812
 its some elaborate troll fueled on by 1 or 2 crippling autists. Mods appear to be in on it too. Sad!
---- 57899069
->>57898953
-you made a collage of those posts.
 --- 57899112
 >>57899069
 >doesn't know about the archive search
 
 redditor fucking confirmed. get the fuck out.
---- 57899141
->>57899112
-whats wrong with reddit?
 --- 57899171
 >>57899104
 I never knew gay people were so patriotic and redpilled
@@ -87,11 +76,6 @@ your post got deleted cuase you don't fit in.
 --- 57900831
 >>57897830 (OP)
 i once again ask you where i can cop the blue /k/ patch. already have the standard od ones
---- 57900884
->>57897856
-fpbp
-sage tranny shit
-report me again you pathetic freak
 --- 57901510
 >>57899768
 and? nothing wrong with that. still repping badger. his latest patches on reddit are pretty cool and there is nothing you can do about it
@@ -145,9 +129,6 @@ If you listen to the audio, it sounds like a man
 --- 57902391
 >>57898802
 Based
---- 57902410
->>57899709
-Wow, a /k/ jannie that's an insufferable faggot. Shocked.
 --- 57902421
 >>57898134
 Nice one.
@@ -156,6 +137,170 @@ Nice one.
 >she
 >kill yourself
 and it's Greek Lizard
---- 57902754
->>57900831
-She cute.
+--- 57903831
+>>57901867
+
+>>57902434 is right that's greek lizard, it's cool 
+
+>>57902045
+>>57901960 
+Rhodie brushstroke is even more based. What Price Glory sells repros, and fireforce ventures does runs every now and then.
+--- 57903848
+>>57903831
+I think the catchpa is telling me to buy a ppk and pretend to be agent 004
+--- 57904171
+So is there no good place to get vidya patches anymore?
+--- 57904294
+>>57899141
+--- 57904298
+>>57897830 (OP)
+kill yourself faggot
+--- 57904508
+Why is this thread filled with fags and anime.
+--- 57904521
+>>57904508
+where do you think you are?
+--- 57904544
+>>57897830 (OP)
+It’s sad to see another general taken over
+--- 57904590
+>>57904508
+probably something to do with this.
+--- 57904599
+>>57904508
+>anime
+4chan
+>fags
+Demoralization or just plain fags being annoying
+--- 57904729
+>>57898812
+>>57898951
+>>57898953
+Filtered, lizard-brains.
+
+Also, patch idea.
+>Captcha: MAGNUM
+--- 57904827
+>>57904820
+damn i posted unrotated pic
+--- 57904839
+>>57904294
+He's playing dumb
+--- 57904921
+>>57904071
+please kys
+--- 57905244
+>>57898812
+Spamming the same unfunny joke is a zoomer trend and its ruined every board. I don't understand how there are so many people that just go to threads to post the exact same spam they always do for years now. Mods don't even use 4chan and just stay in their own discords. It's really gone to shit.
+--- 57905778
+New thread, same spam
+--- 57905831
+>>57905778
+actually looks relatively cleaned up for once
+--- 57905874
+>>57905831
+because I think enough anons have finally had enough of the bullshit.
+--- 57906054
+>>57904590
+>a PNG
+>of locked inflammatorily-written thread
+>about some vague all-encompassing plot
+>with no visible replies or reply-count
+>from God-knows-where
+>posted in 2021
+Anon...
+--- 57906964
+>>57904827
+receiving error trying to buy from your site saying that "This store isn't taking orders right now.", send help
+--- 57906971
+>>57906838
+While I understand the frustration, it looks like the thread is actually getting cleaned up. Posting your own bans is likely just going to get you banned again for "complaining about 4chan.". I'm just happy they've started to pay attention. These things take time and the jannies are starting to come around I think
+--- 57906975
+I repost this request over and over because PK told me to remind him otherwise he'd forget and he already supplied restocks for the ones crossed out
+--- 57907061
+>>57906964
+sorry man my first post got deleted for some reason, and i didn't see it
+i'm reopening tomorrow morning
+--- 57907073
+>>57907061
+Glad you're still alive
+--- 57907083
+>>57907061
+all good, I will be buying the hell out of the one you just posted tomorrow morning then anon
+--- 57907165
+>>57907061
+We've had too many good merchants close recently, good to see you back.
+You never told me if you got your damn boots. I just want closure man. Don't even care if you blew it on vodka, tell me a good story.
+--- 57907331
+>>57907061
+Including your URL is generally frowned upon as "advertising".
+--- 57907456
+>>57906766
+>>57906838
+Maybe. Still, getting jimmies rustled over some fucking random JPG isn't healthy either. And not every provocative post has necessarily some unironic nefarious agenda.
+Personally I think it's mostly old-fashioned trolling and consider the bait to be fairly obvious. Stop falling for it.
+--- 57907500
+>>57902132
+everyone has an adam's apple retard, it came free with your fucking hyroid cartilage
+--- 57907537
+>>57907073
+glad to hear you guys are still around
+>>57907083
+based
+>>57907165
+my man i'm gonna disappoint you, i got myself brand new lowas in coyote this time thanks to you
+as i said before please shoot me your address on my e-mail and i'll send you my new patches, that's the least i can do to show my gratitude
+you're insanely based
+>>57907331
+huh didn't know that, i guess you learn your wohole life
+--- 57908209
+>>57908100
+you really ruined it all. You know that right?
+--- 57908301
+>>57908295
+I told you all to ignore and report but nope. You stupid fagguettes responded every time. You got what you fucking deserved.
+--- 57908338
+lol
+--- 57908543
+Lmfao these threads are a total disaster
+--- 57910396
+>>57908301
+I’m sorry what’s the message here? People that call out the bullshit get banned and the spammer changes IPs like four times since your post eventually maybe getting deleted as well?
+
+Sounds like a great plan.
+--- 57910419
+>>57910396
+1087
+--- 57910740
+>>57910084
+Please tell me you don't wear that backpack outside.
+--- 57910834
+>>57910740
+don't even bother. report for trolling and move on.
+--- 57910866
+>>57897830 (OP)
+someone make a Waco themed patch that says "We Ain't Comin' Out"
+--- 57911006
+Something something on topic maybe? Thanks Adam! Glad I could snag the last few.
+--- 57911371
+>>57899648
+uh no, it's been happening long before that, and 90% of the piggie posters on /k/ are all board tourist and non-americans.
+--- 57911931
+We now have Ye24 stickers too
+https://animetobaccofirearms.com/?product=ye-24-sticker
+--- 57912436
+Holy shit what happened to this thread? I took a break from this general for about a year and now it seems completely dead. The patch threads used to be the most frequented on this board.
+--- 57913340
+>>57911371
+cultured patch, very nice
+--- 57913456
+>>57913340
+patch idea
+--- 57913801
+>>57911931
+based
+--- 57914174
+>>57906975
+quit Being a retarded faggot, if PK told you to suck his dick I guess you would. Unless you're PK doing shitty advertising , then suck your own dick.
+--- 57914435
+store is open!

k/57897843.txt

@@ -184,3 +184,36 @@ Which one do you have? Was looking at the Turbo K but saw they came out with the
 Turbo T2. It's an absolutely fantastic can, very quiet (for 5.56) when paired with a good AGB. Sounds like a gassy 22lr. Rugged, etc. My main issues arise when I pair it with a binary trigger and breath in vaporized hoppes. Otherwise at a moderate rate of fire the gas is smelly but manageable. I've heard the turbo k has significantly less back pressure but I was new to cans and was chasing decibels. 
 
 If you're new too, get used to dirty guns. It's rarely talked about but even withy piston guns carbon fills every nook and cranny. Ended up going from USGI mags to pmag just because they're easier to clean.
+--- 57905233
+>>57903135
+>>demographic information
+? yeah? F4 wants your race/ethnicity. Ask congress.
+--- 57906272
+>>57897843 (OP)
+Yes
+--- 57907310
+>>57897843 (OP)
+wait until end of the month at this point and see what the hux announcement is before making any decisions
+--- 57908807
+>>57907310
+can i get a quick rundown pls?
+--- 57910014
+>>57908807
+no particular rundown beyond that in some emails and employee comments last month iirc they said they were going to have some stuff to announce end of april or early may. dunno if thats still on but since they make arguably the best or one of the best 556 cans and it's only a few weeks away and a can is a long ass wait/purchase might be worth waiting to see what it is.
+--- 57910147
+>>57910014
+Ok ty, it might be their 6.5/308(maybe?) suppressor first seen here : https //soldiersystems net/2022/05/10/mdm-22-fn-america-mrgg
+--- 57910333
+>>57910147
+yah people have been speculating about a "flow308k" or the like for awhile. but i know they also said for the 556k they were working on how to make a removable core. so that if it was somehow damaged they could repair it without needing a new can. even with zero better performance that'd be cool.
+--- 57910379
+>>57910333
+i hadn't heard about that, I would like to have direct thread printed cans, saving a little bit of added length/weight would be nice.
+--- 57913521
+>>57897928
+>hover over some states
+>guy has a 4 day stamp (PA, 230th guy)
+WHAT?
+--- 57913762
+>>57913521
+boots getting PCS'd get their shit expedited and fell like bragging.

k/57897926.txt

@@ -153,3 +153,190 @@ There is no “west” and no “east”, the world is globalized.
 The kompromat guys are not the same guys putting sims 3 copies on domestic terrorist paraphernalia spreads, that's the one and only thing Russia and the USSR before it has actually been consistently good at. Cultivating radicals in free societies is something Russia does better than anyone else.
 --- 57903469
 Good. Israel and Gulf Arab monarchies can fuck off.
+--- 57904775
+>>57901802
+Yeah, I'm sure it'll work as well as the "blumpf is secretly a KGB agent" conspiracy theory you retards ran with.
+--- 57904784
+>>57903410
+>Tucker Carlson is a radical
+You reaize more Democrat voters watch Tucker than any of your retarded radical leftist pundits on CNN or MSNBC, right?
+--- 57905533
+>>57897926 (OP)
+What? Are they going to fly these into Israeli airspace? Does israel not have a shitload of SAM and detectors in place?
+--- 57905965
+>>57899500
+He probably meant that Iran provides tranny healthcare for free, and it's socially encouraged somewhat because trannies > homos
+--- 57906136
+>>57897949
+R-37M outranges Amraams.
+Although that's very simplistic and ignores that the F-35 is stealth.
+This is in the frame of Israel vs Iran with Israel striking Iranian nuclear facilities.
+
+>>57897994
+I'm pretty sure the Radars are Irbis-E which are some of the most powerful PESA radars out there, they're not used on the MiG-29M's which use the Zhuk-ME.
+Egypt didn't buy them due to CAATSA.
+
+>>57898058
+Nah that's generous to say it's equivalent. This sounds like a ChatGPT response though as Israel has been evading S-400 in Syria for quite some time now.
+--- 57906229
+>What happens now
+
+F-35I vs Su-35 kino
+--- 57906302
+>>57902989
+>It’s not some sort of world war clash of civilizations scenario.
+>There is no “west” and no “east”, the world is globalized.
+The official russian media was bragging on day 2 about finally ending the US hegemony and muh multipolar world, as all the third world shills here keep doing.
+--- 57906347
+>>57906136
+>R-37M outranges Amraams.
+
+Imagine trusting vatnik claims. S-400 was supposed to have 400km range and make air force obsolete.
+--- 57906355
+>>57906229
+If you count F-35 slaughtering them as kino
+--- 57906367
+>>57901857
+Tucker realized news is bullshit when Jon Stewart did that drive by attack on crossfire? I think it was and buried his career for a bit. The guy who opened for muppets making crank phone calls was a more trusted source of news. The current tuck you see is just punished tuck doing news entertainment for trumptards because it makes money.
+--- 57906373
+>>57906347
+R-37M's have been used in Ukraine successfully at reducing the Ukies ability to conduct air ops.
+RuAF has been lobbing them from Russian airspace and can reduce UAF effectiveness.
+
+That clearly means something. Obviously I don't buy Russia's claims of it's 6,000,000 mile range or whatever, but even America admits the Amraam is falling behind and is wanting to get the Aim-260 in service sooner.
+--- 57906429
+>>57904775
+>ignoring all of the russian-linked 'advisors' he's surrounded by
+>ignoring the fact that he only got away with things due to crying executive priveledges
+>ignoring the fact that he constantly uses russian/moscow talking points in his speeches
+>ignoring that he got the republicans to abandon their stance on Russia in the convention
+>ignoring that he trusted Putin more than his own intelligence agencies when it came to election interference, which he was wrong about
+>ignoring that one of his chief advisors went to jail for being a foreign agent
+>ignoring that he allowed Russia's top spy into the oval office for a 'closed meeting'
+>ignoring basic and obvious realities that he's in bed with the Russian mafia along with all of the other right wingers that keep their money safe in South Dakota Banks
+
+Sure sure though, he was never charged so I guess you're right.
+--- 57906477
+>>57906229
+>F-35I vs Su-35 kino
+>kino
+>its just a bunch of Su-35s getting btfod from bvr
+--- 57906685
+>>57906429
+trannycrats investigated a lie they themselves made up, hoping that it would coincidentially happen to be true
+It's impossible to overstate how retarded that is
+--- 57906718
+>>57906229
+What angle? F35 view point would be boring for anyone other than intel, Su35 POV would just be calmly waiting for rapid onset death, and ground might be the most interesting as Su35s become fireballs.
+--- 57906753
+>>57901736
+Russia purposely never turned on those systems against Israeli jets to avoid escalation.
+--- 57906765
+>>57906429
+You're delusional. Seek help.
+--- 57906808
+>>57897949
+>>57897926 (OP)
+Each new warplane for Iran means additional danger for Israel if they will try to run a little solo strike campaign, and can result more dead Israeli pilots. Which is always a good thing.
+--- 57907000
+>>57906355
+Getting completely mogged is a kino all its own.
+--- 57907245
+>>57906136
+>most powerful PESA
+>PESA
+Yeah that's not even good by 4th gen standards.
+--- 57907288
+>>57897926 (OP)
+>What happens now?
+The countries around buy more F35 and Rafale
+--- 57907860
+>>57907245
+You'd be surprised. It's orc-style "brute force" type radar.
+read >>57898088
+and
+https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/why-russia-s-air-force-loves-the-su-35-s-irbis-e-radar-a-detailed-look-at-the-sensor-suite-built-to-hunt-stealth-fighters
+>The Irbis-E is the considered world’s most powerful passive electronically scanned array radar deployed on a fighter-sized aircraft, and is challenged only by AESA radars such as those on American jets such as the F-22 or F-15EX or on Chinese fighters such as the J-16 or J-15B. The radar is today considered the third most powerful in the Russian inventory of those integrated onto aircraft built for air to air combat, with the Su-57 fighter’s AESA radar and the MiG-31 Foxhound’s much larger Zaslon-M phased array radar considered to be more powerful. The Irbis-E is thought to have been designed with combat against stealth aircraft in mind - much as the Su-35 was designed specifically to counter the American F-22 stealth fighter.
+
+Whilst I strongly doubt it's claims against 5th gens (it can probably still detect them but probably when it's too late), it will definitely throw a spanner in the works for a conventionally Strike-Eagle based bombing run from Israel like Operation Wooden Leg.
+
+They'd need to have F-35's go the long way round, carrying only internal weaponry with enough A2A missiles for self defence and bombs/missiles for groundwork (unless they've got permission from Saudi/Iraq which is highly unlikely) and be aerial refuelled far enough way to avoid Iranian airspace +250 miles,
+--- 57908044
+>>57897926 (OP)
+They explode in the hanger because Israel isn't looking for a fair fight.
+--- 57909140
+>>57906136
+>R-37M outranges Amraams.
+
+**according to Russian MOD
+--- 57909995
+>>57909140
+If they can target Ukie jets from across the Russian border then yes there is some credence towards Russian claims on it's range.
+
+Making rockets go far isn't impossible.
+--- 57910028
+>>57909140
+>inb4 soft kill
+If it denies Ukie airforce the ability to operate effectively then it's a win.
+--- 57910242
+>>57906808
+Solo strike? That's for conventional ballistic missiles. Flying that far for either nation is an act of desperation. Iran is much further than Iraq neither have serious airborne power projection. Tankers are just too easy to kill so easy to see why they've few of them. 
+
+Iran should normalize conventional ballistic missile warfare both for convenient effectiveness and to force the US to take ubiquitous missile defense seriously. Conventional MIRV over Tel Aviv and Tehran would be lulzy and Iran has no conventional targets Israel could decisively cripple to defeat it. Israel is tiny while Iran could casually lose millions and replace them with more in a few years, having a vast young breeding stock. 
+
+>>57907860
+Range is the major limfac and without strategic bombers Israeli throw weight is bupkis. 251 fighters doesn't mean 251 flyable on any given day though about 210 is reasonable. Only ten tankers is a major restriction. Figure seven or eight flyable because inspections and maintenance since they're good at aviation but only seven max jet tankers and other missions for the KC-130s (better suited to helicopter support) means many tanker sorties and more complex/awkward mission planning. 
+
+It's about 2K miles to Tehran and what government would be retarded enough to permit overflight? Maybe Jordan but that means no place for tankers and no place for damaged or malfunctioning birds to divert.
+--- 57910268
+>>57897949
+Against their neighbors like Azerbaijan and Gulf Arab states, yeah, it absolutely will. Against the US? Absolutely not lol.
+--- 57910386
+>>57902989
+There’s the civilized world and the hideous ghoul of Global South nipping on its heels.
+--- 57910420
+>>57906373
+R-37 seems to be one of the very rare post-soviet era weapons projects of Russia that actually ended up creating a good weapon for its purpose. God only knows if it would help anything about actual air war against modern western aviation (probably not), but in Ukraine’s case, it’s doing its job pretty strongly.
+--- 57910443
+>>57897926 (OP)
+>Iran invades Iraq in a year or two
+>all of a sudden the Islamic lunatics in Iraq become 'brave freedom fighters' all over again, and start receiving billions in funding and billions more in equipment and weapons from NATO countries
+It worked so well in the past, of course they'll try it again.
+--- 57911540
+>>57910242
+Like I said, they just about managed wooden leg with F-15's, they could maybe manage going around the Arabian peninsula in F-35's, refueling over Arabian sea and striking before rushing back before anyone clocks them.
+
+Either that, or maybe they could thread the needle across the Syrian/Jordan border for a more direct route and then use standoff ACLM's for the last bit.
+
+>>57910420
+Yeah it's almost a completely fluke tbf, but it's from their doctrine of just lobbing shit at high speed from a distance pioneered with the MiG-31.
+
+It absolutely would not stand up against 5th Gens, which are substantially harder to detect or jets armed with AESA + PL-15/Meteor/AIM-260 as they can shoot back.
+
+Definitely a force multiplier for Iran though.
+
+>>57910443
+Iran doesn't need too, it has a strong enough influence through Shia clerics in Iraq already. With the right funding an Iraq based proxy government could be installed via democratic vote.
+--- 57911591
+>>57897926 (OP)
+Russia can't even afford to give back the Indian tanks they had for repairs back to India.
+I very much doubt they can afford to just gift away fighter jets.
+--- 57911602
+>>57901802
+Tucker isn't on any Russian payroll. Tucker works for fox news. His role is to attract viewers and earn them money.
+MTG is an attention whore, and if she ever steps foot in my country, I'll rob her.
+--- 57911624
+>>57910420
+It was designed in the Soviet Union tho
+--- 57911990
+>>57906765
+They aren't delusional they've betrayed us. For partisan reasons. Reinforced by a "media" company told them things and their "social" feed confirmed it all for them.
+--- 57912145
+>>57897926 (OP)
+>Russia is giving Iran some shitty garbage that even they don't want to field in Ukraine
+>This changes eberything!!!111
+click the X in the corner of the window and stop reading warhawk propaganda
+--- 57912554
+>>57897926 (OP)
+> 2 Su-35S multirole aircraft: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed)
+Why are we supposed to fear this again?

k/57898240.txt

@@ -446,3 +446,216 @@ Better luck next time VATNIGGER
 >>57898240 (OP)
 Anything is possible when your high command and intelligence are as selfish, delusional, and incompetent as that of the Arabs.
 And by anything I mean T-34 obr 2023. Screencap.
+--- 57903677
+>>57902502
+>I think they just expected the Ukrainians to melt away once the shooting started and ended up finding out the hard way how willing and prepared the Ukrainians would be. 
+Remember all their talks of "Little Russians", Ukraine not being a real country and how their misguided "brothers" will welcome the liberating armies? Russians looking down on Ukrainians bit them in the ass again and again. They genuinely despise and underestimate them even after reality slapped them in the face. It's the exact same reaction from Monke or the average retarded vatnik milblogger, they can't accept Ukraine being better than Russia at anything. That's why they keep repeating that shit about how they're facing all of NATO in Ukraine, it's the purest, instinctive form of denial. Their minds cannot accept any truth but "Russia will easily crush Ukraine XAXAXA". Their entire strategy was predicated upon that.
+--- 57903700
+>>57903677
+>Remember all their talks of "Little Russians", Ukraine not being a real country and how their misguided "brothers" will welcome the liberating armies?
+Pic related was posted in official russian media (RIA, RT, Sputnik) in Feb 24 and deleted a week later when their failure became obvious.
+--- 57903720
+>>57903700
+I like to believe that if Monke didn't ghostwrite this pearl, he at least vetted it.
+--- 57903735
+>>57903483
+>>57903539
+>>57903384
+All I could find was a Reddit link to the video. 
+https://www.reddit.com/r/nextfuckinglevel/comments/t3mv0h/ukrainian_soldier_destroys_russian_propaganda/
+--- 57903752
+>>57901404
+The idea is that it's used in airborne deep operations the way you might see a Humvee or FAV going full TEMPO TEMPO TEMPO, but with more firepower and (nominal) protection, and for that sacrifices and compromises have to be made. Unfortunately for the VDV said nominal protection is questionable against even 7.62 and it seems the appearance of armor and a big gun is enough for their commanders to try and use them like heavier armor with disastrous results.
+--- 57903763
+>>57903700
+remember all the vatniks fervently denying that this document ever existed?
+I 'member
+--- 57903794
+>>57903763
+Thankfully it got archived and now it exist as undeniable proof of the Kremlin's intentions about conquering Ukraine in a few days, and the obvious genocide they intended.
+
+https://web.archive.org/web/20220226051154/https://ria.ru/20220226/rossiya-1775162336.html
+--- 57903828
+Where can I find out more info on Chernihiv shenanigans?
+--- 57903891
+>>57903794
+Shit like this is why I love the internet
+--- 57903906
+>>57903584
+The man in this photo is only 14
+--- 57903918
+>>57903338
+lmao, I can't believe they wrote this
+--- 57904239
+>>57903483
+>>57903539
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-Cn8JvMLT8 [Embed]
+--- 57904327
+>>57898240 (OP)
+What a crap hole.
+--- 57904408
+>>57904239
+propaganda tower upgrade compl--
+--- 57905313
+>>57900387
+Not necessarily just poor so much as corrupt
+>officers overstate numbers on official records to get more funding for pay/equipment
+>pocket the surplus
+>withhold as much pay/equipment from the real soldiers as possible
+>pocket the savings
+>government now has a far smaller and weaker military than they've paid for and believe they have
+It's an institutional rot dating back to the days of the Russian empire; how traditionalist of them
+--- 57905708
+>>57902431
+>Mr. President, I hope you're ready for some mouthwatering Donbas.
+>I thought we were steam rolling into Kiev.
+>Oh no, I said 'steamed Kiev'. That's what I call the Donbas.
+>You call the Donbas 'steamed Kiev'?
+>Yes! It's a regional dialect.
+>Uh-huh. Eh, what region?
+>Uh...Leningrad Oblast.
+>Really? Well I'm from Leningrad and I've never heard anyone use the phrase 'steamed Kiev'.
+>Oh, not in Leningrad, no. It's a St. Petersburg expression.
+>I see.
+--- 57905991
+>>57898240 (OP)
+>"IGOROVICH!" SECURE THE BLYATKING!"
+--- 57906128
+>>57903416
+they also forgot that there is no way in living hell that they could ever conquer Switzerland. The entire nation is built as a bunker complex and the entire population is tied into defending the nation in one way or another. Their military specialises in one thing: delaying actions. Their terrain is almost uniquely suitable for that particular type of combat. A single man with 25 kgs of explosives can halt the advance of an armoured brigade for however long it takes for the fucked up russian logistical system to bring up engineering vehicles. Every single bridge, overpass and drainage ditch is rigged to blow. Every single road is covered by fortified positions. 
+Now tell me, how the FUCK are the russians going to drive a bunch of T-72s into the fucking Swiss Alps and hope to get anywhere?
+--- 57906144
+>>57903552
+yes but no nation wants to be laughed at by using fucking ISIS mobiles as their APCs, unless they are literally nigger-tier.
+That being said, russia is pretty much nigger-tier, so they should probably just bite the bullet
+--- 57906163
+>>57906128
+>the russians going to drive a bunch of T-72s into the fucking Swiss Alps
+
+Sorry, I've just cum
+--- 57906190
+>>57906163
+it would be a glorious fucking sendoff of that generation of tanks, that's for sure. Hannibal-style.
+--- 57906234
+>>57906128
+>how the FUCK are the russians going to drive a bunch of T-72s into the fucking Swiss Alps and hope to get anywhere?
+Easy, after the war when Russia is reduced to sub-1990s levels of poverty, bored millionaries will pay pidors for their last T-72s so they're used as part of their car collections, conversation pieces, or movie props.
+--- 57906323
+>>57906234
+that would be the one way that would work, I'll give you that. but I wouldn't bet on the transmissions living very long lives in them there mountains.
+--- 57906442
+>>57898911
+How do you not? I don't even know slav runes but I know a pharmacy when I see one. Do you happen to have one of those black-and-white signs at home which say "home" so you know you're at home?
+--- 57906478
+>>57901576
+well, the difference is that there are suddenly holes inside of you and your buddies vs not
+--- 57906486
+>>57906128
+>>57906163
+>They would lose half their army to attrition alone!
+>The other half would desert!
+>Do you expect the Swiss to welcome them when they arrive?
+>I suppose he will bring with him an army of T-72s!
+--- 57906528
+>>57906486
+R-romabros, I...
+--- 57906666
+>>57901794
+>picrel
+is that encouraging "free use" or is it more of "everyone and their babushka gets a chance to spank the naughty village kids" thing?
+--- 57906789
+>>57902431
+Fuck you man.
+--- 57907006
+>>57906486
+Kino Hannibal trailer
+--- 57907335
+>>57903354
+Did you? He was agreeing with them
+--- 57907385
+>>57898862
+This was the video for me.
+lifting of the fog moment.
+Even the soldiers look like they have no idea what the fuck is going on
+--- 57907438
+>>57907385
+That was when it became evident that russians could bleed and be defeated, and everybody stopped fearing them.
+--- 57907460
+>>57900332
+hehehe
+--- 57907474
+>>57903523
+One half thought they're still in the military exercise.
+Other half thought they're liberating ukies and everyone will welcome them with open arms.
+--- 57907975
+>>57906666
+The latter. The villagers take turns using a switch on caught looters or collaborators, men and women alike. You can find videos relatively easily if you want, it’s pretty funny to see these old babushkas just wailing on some looter or whatever desu.
+--- 57908032
+>>57898862
+the moment you realize that russia had no chance
+--- 57908427
+>>57901684
+sheridan is cute
+--- 57908527
+>>57902468
+>there was something magical about the first couple weeks
+yeah, this powerful enchantment that affected the whole world for a dozen decades, this "rasha stronk" spell wore off in a matter of days for some and weeks/months for the rest.
+vatniks are right when they propagate the coming of a new world order, just not in the way they'd like it to be i guess. the strong (chinks) will feast upon the flesh of the weak (r*ssoids)
+--- 57908540
+>>57900332
+>>57903576
+>>57899407
+--- 57909144
+Why not
+--- 57909154
+>>57903584
+>This is a Russian. He is fighting for AIDS. More AIDS. All the AIDS, basically.
+--- 57910498
+>>57898240 (OP)
+I know, right? That kerning's a war crime.
+--- 57910711
+Most of those guys in the video are rotting in some mass grave around Bakmut. 
+NATO are fucking retards thinking they can win an attritional meatgrinder war against Russia. Unless they can cause a revolution inside Russia like in WW1, it's not going to work. The Russians love this type of fight, and the best strategy is to not play the game.
+--- 57910755
+>>57898240 (OP)
+How many VDV soldiers died in this attack /k/? looks like from pics and videos there are two dead dismounts per vehicle and I assume based off BMD-2 wiki a dead driver and gunner. Which puts 4 per knocked out vehicle. VDV platoon is supposed to have 3 BMDs and 7 men a vehicle. Are they understrength? Or assigned extra vehicles so they could carry extra supplies and not cram as many people in 1?. I’d give an estimate 12 BMDs knocked out. Some of the angles could be of the same vehicles but 12 would be all of a VDV company or most depending the actual crew and dismount counts.
+--- 57910769
+>>57910711
+>Most of those guys in the video are rotting in some mass grave around Bakmut.
+>NATO are fucking retards thinking they can win an attritional meatgrinder war against Russia. Unless they can cause a revolution inside Russia like in WW1, it's not going to work. The Russians love this type of fight, and the best strategy is to not play the game.
+--- 57911142
+>>57902431
+>>57905708
+--- 57911169
+>>57902468
+>there was something magical about the first couple weeks.
+I'm still mad that Ukraine couldn't bomb the stuck convoy to Kiev, i don't blame them though.
+--- 57911204
+>>57903370
+Friendly reminder: Austria prouded themselves for being a neutral country during the cold war. Soviet plans for when they attack West Europe: Nuke all Vienna and all bigger military bases of Austria.
+--- 57911269
+>>57900995
+Their commander must have said.
+>They welcome you as liberators.
+>Ukraine bitches will spread their legs for you.
+Now, time for me to go back to Belarus and watch this from afar
+--- 57913931
+>>57903338
+Why did they place Moscow around Pinsk?
+--- 57914074
+>>57899269
+>because they're delusional retards
+Technically the truth, but they also did Crimea before in very much that same manner, so they thought they were getting more of the same.
+
+That, or the idiots actually thought they were just doing military exercises like many Russians said they were right at the beginning of the war
+--- 57914215
+>>57910711
+>Unless they can cause a revolution inside Russia
+Funny that you should mention it. Some Russian ultranationalists are starting talk about revolution if the Kremlin ever accepts a ceasefire or peace deal at the current borders or worse.
+--- 57914218
+>>57911169
+They just didn't have the equipment. Those A-10 pilots are still frothing at their mouths in their padded cells.
+--- 57914239
+>>57910711
+>jumping head on into the incoming complete demographic collapse just to take some shitholes in Dombas (all in just 8 months, mind you!)
+Do you want me to believe Ivans want to become Chinese vassals on purpose?

k/57898729.txt

@@ -101,3 +101,275 @@ Got dat stendo, boyeeee.
 >Make pistol grip and magazine out of as much lead as humanly possible while still being able to actually hold and shoot the pistol whole delaying hand-cancer for as long as possible
 >Load with graphite-tipped bullets made in chernobyl
 Tactical advantage?
+--- 57904316
+>>57903586
+There's no graphite in Chernobyl, you're delusional.
+--- 57904333
+>>57900140
+You can hit someone on the back of the head with a wheel idk
+--- 57904344
+>>57902494
+Would I need a license for the conversion cylinders? Or at least a license to own a black powder revolver with the conversion cylinder?
+--- 57904792
+>>57901488
+why would they remove the grips and put them in a seperate evidence bag
+--- 57904794
+>>57898729 (OP)
+I love these threads, posting what I have
+
+Anyone got that pic of a .22 short revolver and flare gun seized with a shitload of newports?
+--- 57904880
+>>57902876
+Now I want a Crak-10
+--- 57904892
+This looks like it was once a mauser
+--- 57904895
+>>57904344
+No license for the cylinder, assembled it would be a title one firearm and may require a license depending on your state.
+--- 57904934
+>>57900140
+Not a bong, but my understanding is that a spoked wheel can have the spokes removed and turned into shivs by sharpening one and wrapping the other in tape.
+--- 57905343
+>>57898729 (OP)
+>US Police finds criminal with blockpowder weapon
+This might be "weird" or "stupid" to the uninformed interne user, but it's actually VERY smart, a high IQ move, IF he guy is a convicted felon.
+
+>Be criminal.
+>Commit felony.
+>Is now Convicted Felon.
+>Felons lose rights, like right to vote (you can regain eventually) and carrying a firearm.
+>But Blackpowder weapons are not technically considered firearms, they are classified as "antiques".
+>Therefore the only legal way for a convicted felon to protect himself is with a black powder 6 shooter.
+This is super-smart, if the guy in question is a felon.
+
+Also in the same spirit, this works with canons too since they are also blackpowder weapons.
+Meaning a literal CHILD can order a fucking Canon on the internet, not have to showany form of ID and have it home-delivered with zero paperwork whatsoever.
+
+Yes I'm somewhat jealous on these crazy laws americans have. The USA is not all bad, it still has some things going for it.
+Bu not living in the USA is its own joy so I'm not that jealous.
+--- 57905593
+even has a tactical flashlight
+--- 57906731
+>>57904989
+Stylish, he did a pretty good job with the sticker wrap.
+--- 57906777
+>>57905343
+Ca treats loaded blackpowder as a firearm. So if he is a felon hes going back to jail for violating parole.
+Theres some stupidass assumptions forigners make about america like if you own a thing you can do whatever the fuck you want with it. Cause its yours and that will be perfectly legal and you wont get arrested. This is false.
+--- 57906855
+>>57901246
+>That insulated needle nose
+Holy fuck that serviceman can't afford to feed himself tonight because he needs to replace them or die while at work. WTF coppers?!?
+--- 57907177
+>>57898729 (OP)
+--- 57907202
+>>57904316
+It was concrete you saw in the roof
+--- 57907399
+>>57898785
+>>57901246
+>these are the people who act like they have 9000 iq because their measurements divide by 10
+--- 57907407
+>>57904892
+>mauser
+>AK folding stock and trunnion
+>A2 grip epoxied on
+>no mag baseplate or it's damaged so let's tack on some random piece of sheetmetal
+>M4 Carbine handguard
+>somehow figured out how to use delta ring
+>somehow figure out how to attach the cap
+Can't tell front sight. Type 1/2/3 or RPK I think, not AKM? Might be wrong.
+--- 57907440
+>>57898729 (OP)
+Star Trek is banned in Britain.
+--- 57907527
+>>57905593
+>fleshlight?
+oh right. internet induced coom brain...
+--- 57907532
+>>57901488
+>>57904792
+Because it's fake, retard.
+--- 57907558
+>>57898729 (OP)
+Some weapons handed over to the swedish police during an arms amnesty.
+The were allegedly brought in by the widow of a collector who didn't have the paperwork to own any firearms.
+Not the extremely rare curved pistol on the bottom right, that's a Hamilton pistol made for the Swedish army's 1907 pistol trials, only a handful were ever made.
+Also note the Swedish K with the weird stock. That's a rare police-issue variant.
+--- 57907666
+>>57907263
+how does he load it
+--- 57907692
+>>57907666
+Meth magic!
+Also, checked!
+--- 57907980
+>>57898785
+Shitting on the British police was my favorite pastime before getting banned.
+--- 57908002
+>>57907666
+Shouldn't be hard to get a pellet in under the scope
+--- 57908228
+I know people say "literally 1984" a lot but england is literally 1984. I was in dublin for a bit and went to london because lol 20 dollar flight why not
+
+There was cameras fucking EVERYWHERE, bars on windows, reinforced fences and barbed wire, and every public space had these weird ass "BEHAVE YOURSELF WE'RE ALWAYS WATCHING!!!" signs everywhere. Outside of a few white boomers the people were all scowling and staring at their feet and refusing to make eye contact with anyone, probably the most oppressive atmosphere i've felt in any city and i've worked in inner city baltimore
+--- 57908412
+>>57908228
+100% true. London is a dystopian shithole.
+--- 57908555
+>>57908228
+yeah of course its 1984 thats where the book took place
+--- 57908558
+>>57906777
+Ok all you have to do is carry shot and ball with you and learn to load quickly when you see your Ops.
+--- 57908675
+>>57904963
+what shitty dirt weed. fuckin scrub
+--- 57908917
+the hashtag #onelessgun is filled with stuff like this
+--- 57909003
+>>57904344
+A revolver cylinder is not the registered firearm, its just a part, like a magazine.
+I'm sure companies and retailers are aware felons and seedy people will buy the things to get around the laws, but I've never heard of anyone doing a background check on people before selling.
+If anything, they might have a little checkbox or disclaimer waiving their responsibility if the purchaser does something stupid or illegal.
+--- 57909098
+>>57898729 (OP)
+Oh shit, they nabbed the outlaw Josey Wales.
+--- 57909166
+>>57907399
+britbongs didn't invent the fucking metric system
+in fact they were one of the last to fully adopt it
+--- 57909193
+>>57907558
+>cool knuckleduster
+>is that a flare gun at lower left?
+--- 57909207
+>>57909166
+And yet they still act like multiplying by 2.54 is rocket surgery.
+--- 57910395
+>>57904934
+Literal prison state if you're worried about your civilians manufacturing shivs
+--- 57910990
+>>57907558
+>were allegedly brought in by the widow of a collector
+I hate women so much it's unreal
+--- 57911048
+>>57898729 (OP)
+80 year old Finnish engineer built a belt-fed .22 machine gun, incorporating an electric hand drill into the design
+
+in actual tests conducted by the police the weapon fired at rate of 420 rounds a minute
+--- 57911183
+>>57907558
+Love from Kazakhstan
+--- 57911330
+>>57898881
+kek
+--- 57911582
+>>57902876
+>that fucked up mac
+>meth pipe
+Yep that’s a tweaker
+--- 57911728
+>>57906855
+Work vans and trucks commonly get robbed over there.
+--- 57911739
+I guess this counts. The dude in KC shot that jogger at his front door with a fucking lemon squeezer in .32 S&W Short. That's why he's out of the hospital no worse for wear a couple days after getting shot in the head.
+--- 57911768
+>>57907558
+Saddening.
+>>57908228
+Magma carta my ass
+>>57911739
+He should celebrate getting well so soon by having a lemon party.
+--- 57911782
+>>57911739
+>.32
+Why is it so shit?
+--- 57911816
+>>57903554
+>Irradiated bullets
+>Even if you get it out you still get cancer
+i-is this possible?
+--- 57911822
+>>57902658
+Thank god law enforcement was there to confiscate a firearm.
+--- 57911836
+>>57898729 (OP)
+>officer sukhbir
+hello sirs
+--- 57911887
+>>57898881
+I'm still suprised that no gun company has introduced a .44 magnum revolver with a model name simply of "Big Iron". They've used every other dorky name for firearm product lines but not that one.
+--- 57911924
+>>57898968
+I wouldn't expect the English to use anything else
+--- 57911989
+>>57902658
+>So these guys carry BP cap and ball revolvers around thinking they're legally in the clear and then are surprised when the cops arrest them for it. Under state law a BP revolver is still a firearm when carried or used in a crime, just like any modern pistol.
+The funny thing is that these clever guys are still clever guys because even if they get convicted of a felony for carrying a cap and ball revolver without a permit, as soon as they are back on the street they will just hop on the Cabelas website and buy another one. What does a conviction even matter when these guns are so easy to get? The only way to stop them from carrying is to put them in federal prison.
+
+Even when you try to regulate antique firearms they still arent regulated so whatever.
+--- 57912005
+>>57911782
+.32 SW short is from 1878.
+It makes .32 ACP look powerful.
+--- 57912026
+>>57900140
+On council estates or whatever, places filled with black people, they hide weapons and stuff in public spaces, under hedges or unside bins or whatever for easy access when they want to idk whatever niggers on estates do
+
+Sometimes the police do 'weapons sweeps' which is essentially just glorified litter picking, and they go around searching public spaces for stuff like this and just take anything they find. 
+
+It's not really a big deal.
+--- 57912038
+>>57902876
+I'm pretty sure I saw the guy who made this on youtube. He got raided, was out on bail, and started shitposting about the "the ninjas sending him to space camp". If it wasn't him, then it was another crazy tweaker gunsmith with an identical gun.
+--- 57912063
+>CTRL-f
+>Tyrese
+>0/0
+you have forgotten the face of your fathers
+--- 57912129
+>>57911048
+>in actual tests conducted by the police the weapon fired at rate of 420 rounds a minute
+Blazin'
+--- 57912764
+>>57907558
+Can anyone ID the single-shot pistol with the revolver grip?
+--- 57912796
+>>57907527
+Bro they really aren't that great. Maybe the autosucker 9000s are but the ones i tried werent
+--- 57912808
+>>57907440
+BRITONS HAVE NO HONOUR
+--- 57912833
+Classic
+--- 57912836
+>>57912063
+I was in that thread. Seeing it over and over again doesn't make me laugh.
+--- 57913047
+>>57912764
+Looks like it's similar to a Lasserre Super Comanche. Sights different but damn close. The shotgun bead sight is odd however. Couldn't be a short barrel shotgun, could it? I mean, there's no rear sight...
+--- 57913066
+>>57908917
+>blunt square nails in a nail club
+I...
+--- 57913135
+>>57907980
+kek
+--- 57913342
+>>57913047
+I've got a black super Comanche in .410 that's pretty similar 
+I assume it's just a fancier stainless/wood model
+--- 57914227
+>>57912854
+Are the condoms for when you stick the grip in the magwell?
+--- 57914290
+>>57912854
+For when you don't even know the front of a receiver from the back
+--- 57914361
+>>57912854
+Aussie here, that was a gelsoft blaster they butchered
+--- 57915111
+>>57911739
+>you will never have a .38/.357 concealed carry revolver with a grip safety
+why even live

k/57898857.txt

@@ -269,3 +269,52 @@ LATENCY
 >In October 2012, the Government Accountability Office (GAO) stated that the LEMV project was 10 months behind schedule due to a combination of factors, including issues with fabric production, foreign components being cleared through customs, and the impact of adverse weather conditions.
 >In a statement made by a US Army Space and Missile Defense Command spokesperson, the cancellation was a result of technical and performance challenges that had been encountered...
 Weather.
+--- 57903928
+>>57901825
+>poor shitholes 
+>fossil systems
+
+Shitholes yes, fossils no. Iraq once had one of the best IADS’s in the world. I’m the 90’s they were not even too terribly far behind the US technologically. In modern times, in Syria, both Russia’s best systems (operated by Russians) and Russia’s best export systems (operated by syrias under Russian direction) failed to prevent the US and Israel from bombing targets in syrian territory with impunity.
+
+Just take the L.
+
+Everything else you’re saying belies your ignorance. So that’s all the (you)’s you’re getting from me.
+--- 57906770
+>>57903034
+Just raise a mini 5g tower for it in a montain or a mothership ecm warfare esoteric electronic warplanes flying behind the frontlines serving as relay to ground pilots fuck off. 
+The minor difference in latency doesn't outweigh its benefits.
+--- 57907411
+>>57899999
+fucking garbage waste of pents you should be fucking ashamed of yourself
+--- 57909458
+>>57900019
+>just slap an il-2 cockpit and armor on a crop duster and call it good
+--- 57911338
+Drones will bring back purpose-built war machines. An A-10 design would be fantastic as a drone gunship design, literally the perfect CAS weapon and it is already almost as cheap to buy and run as a Reaper.
+Current war plane doctrine calls for human pilots in very expensive do-everything planes that are worse than existing planes or missiles but look very cool and can be sold to allies as a status symbol. 
+That is the F-35, a limp-dick misile truck that will never see a dogfight and has only been used to terrorize goat fuckers by the Israelis, and that is all it will ever be.
+The next meaningful tech will be lightning scrum development drones turned out in days or weeks for specific purposes at FOB mini-factories or on carriers although it wouldn't surprise me to see the A-10 concept reurposed for a drone as well in the meantime
+>loiters
+>invulnerable
+>SATINT + + AI+ autoFCS + ground forces directed
+>massive payload + gun
+its breathtaking how frightening something like the A-10 would be coming over the horison, no pilot to bother saving, utterly merciless, nothing to call it off or stop it finishing the mission started by SEAD/DEAD missiles and high altitude bombers.
+>Piotr call the Colonel! All our Buks are down! EMP has taken out Pantsir! We can't see the enemy!
+>Oh no. Oh no. Do you hear it Piotr? The jets are coming
+>How long?
+>I don't know they are so slow they are passing over outer lines now
+>brrrtt
+>C-can we surrender? Wave white flag?
+>Bbbrrrrrrrrrrtt
+>No. It can not see us
+>BBRRrrrrttt
+>It can only kill
+>BBBBRRRRRRRTT-ack
+glorious
+--- 57914002
+>>57898857 (OP)
+>There is still a niche
+Insurgencies and Cartels aren't dead Anon. A cheaper more plentiful alternative does exists. And it's the A-29.
+--- 57914404
+>>57899999
+Because CAS is a dumb niche in modern warfare just like dive bombers are a dumb niche. Just load a strike fighter with JDAMs, you could use the same plane for interception, air superiority, SEAD, and ground attack. The trend for a long time has been towards generalist aircraft that can fill any role as opposed to dedicated bombers, close air support, interceptors, and fighters.

k/57899003.txt

@@ -215,3 +215,433 @@ They're just having fun. Little guy is obviously enjoying having a walking bounc
 >>57900151
 >Tall people have higher estrogen levels
 What the fuck kind of new manlet cope is this? If estrogen levels correlate with height why the fuck are men taller than women on average?
+--- 57903668
+>>57903650
+Brainlet read up on castrato singers and got the biology behind it hilariously wrong. He's been flaunting his retardation in every discussion on /k/ mentioning height.
+--- 57903671
+>>57899003 (OP)
+>>57899022
+>>57900761
+>>57902566
+>>57903506
+--- 57903687
+>>57903427
+r/fightporn/
+>REDDIT
+yeah
+--- 57903770
+>>57899070
+He's probably 6"4
+--- 57903780
+>>57900328
+Even if you were to pull at him backwards ffrom his hairs you wouldn't be abke to create more leverage than 200kg of belly fat
+--- 57903863
+>>57899972
+>Will the visceral fat shield his heart and spine from hollow points tho?
+Unironically if we're talking mega-fats, yes a bullet can absoutely deviate or completely protect the internal organs of a super-obese man.
+But we're talking extremes here, someone with an extreme amount of fat.
+Regular fat : somewhat obese won't cut it, you need a comically huge amount of fat to achieve this.
+
+And finally of course its not a garanteed stoppage of the round, you can obviously sill die, but it completely depends on : how many shots we're talking about, what caliber, from what distance/conditions.
+
+I think if one would do some research on the topic, they could find a lot of instances and stories from american paramedics where someone survived a bullet because of excess fat.
+
+We've pistol caliber bullets being stopped by people's skull, so a very large amount of fat is perfectly reasonable to assume people would have a higher chance of survival.
+
+>Hollow points 
+I don't know if and how that would change he odds of survival.
+Logically one would think hollow points would do more damage to tissue and therefore be harder to survive.
+
+Guntuber Kentucky B. did a video on this recently.
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUxcnWH9k0w [Embed]
+--- 57903903
+>>57903863
+natural american evolution makes them impossible to grapple and bullet resistant
+--- 57903986
+>>57899003 (OP)
+Is this how lardasses cope with their poor diet/life choices?
+--- 57904045
+>>57903427
+I got mine from rekt threads on /b/ and /gif/. They're generally horrible places for anything besides finding rekt webms. Got most of them like 7 years ago.
+--- 57904053
+>>57903986
+How about you cope with this?
+--- 57904066
+This is the only time you'll see a skinny person beat a fat person.
+--- 57904120
+>>57900282
+>>57900188
+>>57900078
+This shit is why i refuse to get into dumbfuck fights. Its so easy to get killed/kill someone else just by mistake.
+--- 57904165
+>>57903671
+Butterbean is a striker, if he doesn't respect the grappler once he gets close, he's toast regardless of size. Also, being a lanklet myself, it can actually be difficult to properly practice grapple technique if you can't find opponents your size. Practice BJJ for a bit near my highschoom, but I was nearly sparring entirely with a tiny Vietnamese dude and it was simply too easy to overpower with size alone that getting to actually use any sort of technique became limited to just trying to catch him. Once I had my hands on him, it was GG.
+--- 57904172
+>>57904045
+>say that to my face fucker not online and see what happens
+--- 57904173
+You make it sound like you have the opportunity to get into fights regularly, lmao.
+
+But yeah, fighting on pavement = skulls cracked.
+--- 57904180
+>>57904173
+is for >>57904120
+--- 57904189
+>>57904173
+Damn, nice turnaround.
+--- 57904200
+>>57903671
+this fight was the fatass's to lose. plus the size disparity here is much less pronounced.
+--- 57904207
+>>57904173
+>way better toned & buff than victim
+>get shit pushed in anyway
+deserved
+--- 57904211
+>>57903770
+I'm 6'4'' and 78kg lmao
+--- 57904225
+>>57904211
+Same but I'm 5'7. All the weight is in my leg muscles because I've got flat feet.
+--- 57904236
+>>57900188
+kek
+--- 57904244
+>>57904207
+He got gassed from throwing all those girl punches and whimpy knee strikes. Neither one knew how to throw a punch with force, to be honest.
+--- 57904250
+>>57904244
+That's true. He had the body but 0 technique
+--- 57904258
+>>57904066
+they're both fat
+--- 57904265
+>>57904207
+they're both weak and pathetically out of shape.
+--- 57904275
+>>57899003 (OP)
+Just wait for diabetes to do a leg sweep.
+--- 57904309
+>>57904250
+Sometimes it all comes down to getting that one solid hit.
+--- 57904318
+>>57904309
+Man I miss LiveLeak. Fuck glowies taking it down
+--- 57904323
+>>57904207
+>>57904244
+Not to mention all those body shots that weren't doing much. Other dude won because most of his shots were head shots.
+--- 57904360
+>>57904265
+"they're both weak and pathetically out of sh- AH AH PLEASE STOP HITTING ME SIR!"
+--- 57904381
+>>57902126
+>He doesn't do this
+Ishiggy. Because a simple fight doesn't get the message across. All it does is send an invitation to bring friends/weapons and try again. Either kill the fucker or cripple him so that he never fights again.
+--- 57904397
+>>57903903
+>natural american evolution makes them impossible to grapple and bullet resistant
+Truly the Ubermensch of our era.
+Amerifats, I kneel
+--- 57904489
+Imagine trying to stop someone who's immune to pain. Makes me wonder whether or not UFC would be more interesting if everyone could take PCP before a fight.
+--- 57904966
+>>57904381
+Autism. You’ve never killed anyone.
+--- 57905104
+>>57903506
+>you’re not hearing a guy that much bigger than you
+Speak for yourself anon, it’s been done plenty of times before
+
+https://youtu.be/_plQnUT92bo [Embed]
+>>57904211
+Eat a fucking sandwich, mr. Skeltal!
+--- 57905111
+>>57904250
+He didn’t have “the body” either you retard he’s just thin.
+--- 57905322
+>>57904165
+Butter bean is also a really good boxer which fat copers seem to forget. He’s not just a fat retard with a pair gloves. He knows how to throw all the weight around efficiently.
+--- 57905338
+>>57899166
+checked for rekt
+--- 57905355
+>>57902126
+>>HEY BRO, YOU LOOKING AT MY GIRL??? WHATS UP BRO!
+
+tell them you were looking at them. the insinuations of homosex will throw the negro into a murderous rage, making it legal to kill them
+--- 57906649
+>>57899003 (OP)
+now give them both guns and see who has the smaller hitbox
+--- 57906654
+>>57903671
+I love Genki Sudo and I love BUTTAHBEAAAAAN but that fight was fixed.
+--- 57906673
+Thats why the only valid builds are STR and INT, dexfags lose again.
+--- 57906683
+>>57906673
+Whatever you say.
+--- 57906688
+Just standing up for too long is gonna tire the fat guy.
+--- 57906707
+>>57906683
+>Doesnt know accuracy is an Int secondary bonus modifier
+--- 57906775
+>>57906683
+No widely used system has that.
+--- 57906787
+>>57899003 (OP)
+Literally just sidestep his attacks until he passes out
+Not even a joke. This fatty won't last more than 5 mins intense exercise. Once he's gassed kick his head in.
+--- 57907246
+>>57900761
+The small guy is retarded and gave double underhooks to a guy 200kg heavier than him. 
+He also changed levels but went to the hips and not the knees or ankles. The technique is all wrong. Ever seen a fat person fall over? They can't break their fall for shit. Just make them unstable, they'll probably self heem on the way down or when they hit the ground.
+--- 57907290
+>>57903650
+Men and women are different you idiot 
+But on men, taller men have more estrogen and less estrogen than short 
+men
+>>57903515
+>muh women
+Yep the matriarchal lanklet cuck reveal himself again
+--- 57907361
+>>57899972
+>from hollow points
+>pistol image
+It really might.
+https://youtu.be/CUxcnWH9k0w?t=347 [Embed]
+--- 57907452
+>>57900078
+lmao, red nig straight up killed blue nig- you can see how his right arm wrapped around his head so it made blue's head become the first thing to hit the ground on impact. impressive
+--- 57907461
+>>57900568
+It depends entirely why you're fighting, most street fights aren't one person defending themselves but 2 retards fighting for "honor", so in that case you lose if you disengage
+--- 57907477
+>>57907290
+>t.wearsplatformshoes
+Uh oh the oompa loompa committee is here
+>muh muh audie murphy
+lmao
+--- 57907674
+>>57902418
+Did everybody clap afterwards?
+--- 57907738
+>>57904360
+>sumbody call that amberlamps!!
+>oh, he leakin'!!
+--- 57907770
+>>57904360
+I didn't know Santa got his own boondocks episode
+--- 57907963
+Being tall makes it difficult for a manlet to hit your critical areas like your head or neck.
+
+If its more difficult to disorient you you'll probably win the fight. Tall people have longer arms for better reach too.
+
+Being fat only really helps the tall fighter because of their reach and grappling capability. Tall fatty has an easier time wrapping his arms around you and if he gets you to the ground and sits on you its over.
+--- 57908152
+>>57900683
+>cherrypicking with an even more retarded video
+The OP video isn't meant to show that heavy people are invincible. It's meant to show how much mass actually matters in a physical confrontation. Weight classes exist for this reason. It becomes extremely one-sided the farther the scales tip, though obviously if you're dealing with a fucking landwhale nothing really matters so long as you can avoid letting them get a hold of you.
+--- 57908175
+>>57899003 (OP)
+why isn't he kiting the fatso?
+--- 57908193
+>>57908152
+>Weight classes exist for this reason. It becomes extremely one-sided the farther the scales tip
+Fact. Cutting to a lower weight class is usually not a bad idea. Moving up weight classes is usually a very bad idea, unless maybe you’re Holyfield. 
+Usyk is a recent example of this. 
+Good fighter, not nearly big enough to fight heavyweight aside from a few stragglers though.
+--- 57908298
+>>57899003 (OP)
+I could kick the fatty around just like the fatty kicks the midget.
+--- 57908309
+>>57900100
+>this fight
+--- 57908493
+>>57900282
+I won't ever get those guys who try to start fight they should know they can't win.
+Did he think the big guy who haul heavy stuff every day for a living was too scared?
+Can't be since he was backing even before the big guy took him seriously
+--- 57908568
+>>57906683
+>dodged
+--- 57908576
+>>57899003 (OP)
+>>57899022
+>>57899153
+>>57899445
+>>57903506
+You know this is fetish porn, not a fight video, right?
+--- 57908608
+>>57904173
+>>57904180
+I do come across the situation fights a handfull of times per year though mostly during drunk nights out with friends in the city. I didnt mean it to sound like i get into them by regular, just when they do present themselves i always try to deescalate by any means i can. Ever since I saw that one video from Norway I think were 2 lads beef outside a bar, end up going at each other, one guy lifts the other to attempt a slam of kinds but ends up breaking his own neck ive just been turned off by getting into scraps. It's just not worth it.
+--- 57908872
+>>57902126
+"It was awful officer, I heard him say 'i'll kill you!' and then, and then he was reaching for something, I was in fear for my life, it was just awful."
+--- 57908899
+>>57908872
+People who think they’re actually going to pull a “LOOK OUT HES COMING RIGHT FOR US” defense are fucking retards. Even if you win (you probably won’t, you seem like the kind of moron to talk himself into a jail cell) you’re life is going to fucked for years fighting the charge and then even longer trying to pay back your legal debt
+--- 57909021
+>>57904066
+Sumo has smaller guys winning more often than you'd think. The weird combination of tradition with actual proper fighting results in sumo wrestlers coming in with strange techniques that nobody is ready for and shooting to the top until every one has figured out a counter.
+--- 57909035
+>>57904066
+Henka is considered dishonorubu and unworthy of higher ranked Sumo
+--- 57909068
+>>57908872
+You really don't want to go through the hassle of killing someone or worse, injuring them, unless you absolutely need to.
+--- 57909072
+>>57899003 (OP)
+Is he resistant to buck shot or should i use bear slugs?
+--- 57909129
+>>57903986
+>I weigh less and therefore am superior
+Is this how lanklets cope with being combat-inferior to fatasses?
+--- 57909273
+>>57904323
+He won because his punches actually hurt. Singlet guy was pillowfisted and wouldn't have hurt him with headshots either.
+--- 57909374
+How do you win against such an opponent?
+--- 57909390
+>>57909374
+>boss has 2 stages
+--- 57909471
+>>57904966
+You're right. I went with the latter option. Fucker tried to start shit and I finished it. Got him in a position I was able to stomp the fuck out of his lower back in roughly the same place you would be paralyzed if you fell on your carry gun in the 6 o'clock position and kept going until I was pulled away from him. He's still in a wheelchair to this day and hasn't fucked with anyone else since.
+--- 57909475
+>>57904173
+What's that toilet on the far left? Is it for taking a shit at the pissoir?
+--- 57909484
+I'm 2m tall and weigh about 122kg and can still do a six minute mile, and can safely say I would just shoot someone instead of fighting them with my hands. Fighting is for people you respect that you don't want to kill, otherwise, just shoot them until you are out of ammunition as soon as you can legally do so. It is that simple. Cry about it.
+--- 57909571
+>>57904489
+>The way he runs towards the guy trying to escape at 0:21
+You can taste his bloodlust
+--- 57909993
+>>57909471
+that's really fucked up. I hope its a LARP and you didn't actually cripple someone for life on purpose in a street fight.
+--- 57910229
+>>57899003 (OP)
+>>57899166
+INT vs CHR
+--- 57910364
+>>57901197
+Is it similar to Potop/The Deluge? Cause I liked that one.
+--- 57910418
+>>57899381
+He's big boned
+--- 57910927
+>>57908872
+That only works if you're also a cop
+--- 57911633
+>>57907477
+>projections 
+Not only you have more estrogen like women but you act like them tol
+Anyway you wouldnt act that tough when you would get ground and pound while bleeding you faggot
+--- 57912578
+>>57908899
+>>57909068
+Get the fuck off /k/, this board is about nothing but justified killing.
+--- 57912663
+>>57912578
+Ok, go to jail then like the two retards on here who wanted to meme irl at a blm rally. See how well “HES COMING RIGHT FOR US” worked as a defense for them.
+--- 57912692
+>>57909471
+You know it’s really obvious you’ve never been in a fight, right?
+>>57909993
+He’s larping. Nobody who’s actually done shit like that doesn’t talk like this.
+--- 57912701
+>>57912692
+What do you mean people don't remain perfectly stationary while you try to whale on them?
+--- 57912712
+>>57912663
+Not that anon, but I thought only Saigamarine got hit with charges, charges against Black Powder Ranger got dropped. Did they both get ficked over?
+--- 57912729
+>>57911633
+>Yeah, so his name was Audie Murphy, right? He was 5’5” and…
+>Oh, did I mention I have more testosterone than lanklets? Oh, right, a lanklet is someone who…
+>I guess you could say I’m a sigma male, I believe in trad values like…
+>Hey, wait, you’re a virgin, right?
+kek.
+--- 57912736
+>>57900761
+I would leap on top of the guy like a spider monkey and bite his face.
+--- 57912768
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQsj3fSr1o0 [Embed]
+REAL FIGHT!
+Genki Sudo vs BUTTERBEAN!!!!
+
+protip: A weapon will stop either of them.
+--- 57912804
+>>57900794
+>Very tall
+He's only 5'11", other guy is 5'4"
+--- 57912887
+>>57912712
+Honestly don’t know. Moot point though really, since in the scenario he’s laid out above he’d be in saigamarines position shooting someone. And in black powder rangers case I can’t imagine getting docked over by the legal system, even with the charges drop, didn’t make his life significantly worse and weigh him down with immense legal debt he probably hasn’t paid back to this day.
+--- 57912942
+>>57912712
+there were never any charges against saigamarine. black powder ranger got fucked hard with like 15 years or something. the other 2 tripfags both took plea deals for shorter work release sentences. the anon got all charges dropped but only after a year of kangaroo court.
+--- 57912960
+>>57912887
+>Moot point though really
+Maybe in your opinion, but BPR and I always got along well and had great convos, Saigamarine was a fag and I don't care about him. You are right about everything, the whole ordeal fucked him over even If the charges were dropped. Either way, they played stupid game and won a stupid prize.
+--- 57912985
+>>57912729
+Why does she look terrified?
+--- 57913031
+>>57908576
+source
+--- 57913078
+>>57910364
+Part of the same Trilogy my friend.
+--- 57913095
+>>57899003 (OP)
+Now let’s see the fatty move more than 25 cumulative steps. Pride did this dozens and dozens of times and even professional fighters (granted mostly sumos) lost far more often than not
+--- 57913134
+>>57899166
+That was cool
+--- 57913151
+>>57899003 (OP)
+Kick fatty's knee and watch him fold
+--- 57913193
+>>57913095
+>granted mostly sumos
+So don't go against some one your size, don't chase and let them come to you. Simple as.
+--- 57913392
+>>57913095
+Kimbo vs Dada... like watching two walruses trying to fuck
+--- 57913453
+Threads like these always remind me to always wear a bulletproof jacket whenever I go outside.
+--- 57913595
+>>57904066
+Checking digits for funny vid.
+--- 57913621
+>>57909475
+>he doesn’t know about low hanging dick urinals
+NGMI
+--- 57913691
+>>57905104
+>came to post this exact fight
+>some fine gentleman already did
+Carry on sir
+--- 57913703
+>>57903506
+Knees are in the same goddamn place on everyone. If someone is so fat you can’t see their knees they are on the verge of going out anyways. A solid hit in the general area and they are falling. Every see a fatass fall and try to get back up? It’s hilarious. It’s like a turtle on its back
+--- 57914136
+>>57913691
+>nobody has posted Ethan Ralph yet
+--- 57914235
+>>57904309
+Damn, the Boomer absolutely floored that wigger
+--- 57914248
+>>57904397
+Obsessed and seething
+--- 57914273
+>>57914136
+The gunt-on-gunt action or Portugal 2: Electric Boogaloo?
+--- 57915223
+>>57900100
+always found it interesting that he doesnt have the core strength to support his upper body as he pounds the nog, you see him lean forward falling over until he pushes himself back up, twice

k/57899068.txt

@@ -139,3 +139,134 @@ Sure, Paco.
 --- 57903513
 >>57899102
 Quite a few along with the stechkin
+--- 57903724
+>>57899404
+It's because Sterling are notorious for producing absolute shit tier AR-18s, I don't think they could even get the normal AR-18 right let alone reconfiguring it. Apparently the XL60 series guns in 4.85 were actually okay though. 
+Although IRA use of the AR-18 is exaggerated, I'd suspect the IRA ones weren't sterling produced ones (Costa Mesa prod maybe?)
+
+>>57899469
+How is the EM-1 relevant in the slightest, either the Korsac or Thorpe? 
+
+>>57899507
+Not even, the EM-1 Korsac (the one I assume he is talking about) he a really huge gun compared to AR-18 and L85
+
+>>57899632
+>Adapting the FAL into the SA80
+What the fuck are you saying here?
+>EM-2 looks virtually the same
+1. No it doesn't
+2. It works in a completely fucking different manner, the gas system and BCG work on totally different principles
+
+>>57899068 (OP)
+I'd really love to even see an EM-4 Broadway trust rifle, it's a fascinating gun to me. Sadly I don't think any remain anymore. Maybe hidden away somewhere.
+--- 57903981
+>>57902087
+Allegedly, the owner of USFA was scared of losing the company in a divorce, so this was his way to destroy the company while maintaining plausible deniability.
+--- 57904010
+Say what you will about the full size version, but I've always liked the shorter L22A2
+--- 57904026
+>>57899573
+It's a great gun and it's fun to shoot, you can hold it by the grip easily
+--- 57904185
+>>57899068 (OP)
+Finnish m82
+Also the em2
+--- 57904215
+>>57904010
+That's actually really neat. I'm annoyed I haven't seen it more in Vidya.
+--- 57904262
+I'm in Britbong military, its fine, works just as it should. Everyone I've met said the A1 was garbage though.
+>b4 Yanks come in screaming that it isn't an Ar15 variant
+I don't care fuck off
+--- 57905666
+>>57904215
+I only recall seeing/playing with it in Killing Floor 1.
+--- 57906967
+>>57904262
+The A2s work fine, but they're still very heavy and awkward to use compared to competing rifles.
+--- 57907469
+>>57899068 (OP)
+There's a small part of me that wants an FAL with a pic rail slapped on to it, and I find that incredibly disturbing.
+
+>>57904010
+I've never really liked the profile of the SA80 but somehow this one really works for me.
+--- 57908317
+>live in maryland
+>they have a giant list of random guns they've banned by name
+>its very clear that they all just come from boomers watching action movies because half of them are prototypes, dont exist anymore, or are nearly impossible to get
+>the other half fit in to their otherwise legal firearms criteria but they just dont like them like the 10rnd semi automatic thompson replicas
+--- 57908332
+GOTTA ban the dragonuv, its far more lethal than a 10rnd ar because uhhh...uhhh...ITS NOT JUST BECAUSE I SAW IT IN A MOVIE!!!
+--- 57908352
+>>57908317
+>>57908332
+WE MUST KEEP THIS WEAPON OF WAR OFF OUR STREETS! Garands are fine though because I got one from korea
+--- 57908711
+>>57899187
+>have to hire German company to fix your shitty rifle
+That's the real national embarrassment here.
+--- 57908967
+>>57908711
+HK was british at the time.
+--- 57909424
+>>57905666
+>>57904215
+bretty gud in phantom forces
+--- 57909441
+>>57899068 (OP)
+I'd prefer the A3. It's such an ugly gun but I kind of like it.
+--- 57909522
+>>57908317
+>ban all FAL, G3, and M14 clones
+>ban all 7.62x39 and 5.45 AKs 
+>AK pistols, AKs in 5.56, AR 10s and AR 15s legal
+why is our state like this
+--- 57909570
+>>57908332
+The SVD actually isn’t awful at all. Unexpectedly solid and pleasant to shoot desu
+It’s the price tag that makes people think ‘shit gun’ when in reality it’s more like ‘shit value’ 
+Granted they are insanely overpriced relative to what you get for your money, but if they were more abundant and you could get one for under $2k i think people would be sucking them off as the best thing ever even though that would be an equally ignorant assessment
+t. actual SVD fag
+--- 57909623
+The Chinkgun. In the actual chinsect cartridge, not the export version.
+--- 57909624
+>>57909570
+its not that its shit, its that its completely unreasonable and inconsistent to ban it and allow tons of other similar guns that coincidentally WERENT featured in movies.
+Its banned because its scary looking, thats all
+--- 57909878
+>>57909624
+My bad i must have misunderstood you.
+And as far as the bans i absolutely agree.
+as fun as it is to flex on jealous boomers at the range with it, i would happily trade that to make SVDs cheap and commonplace enough so i dont have to stress about sourcing spare parts for mine. It’s a nightmare.
+--- 57912149
+>>57899068 (OP)
+Assuming here but generally the mags suck on pump w/ tube -> pump w/ mag conversions from what I read. Maybe this one was good, I don't know, but in general, the mags suck and you're lucky to have two because they're usually rare as fuck due to low sales of the shotguns.
+--- 57914344
+fuck you i like it, the gun
+--- 57914356
+>>57899204
+Fuck off Ian
+--- 57914407
+>>57904010
+That actually seems practical.
+--- 57914520
+>>57899482
+A very good plan
+--- 57915319
+>>57899787
+>>57899760
+You're mixing up the L85 and L86's role, and you're still wrong. The L85A2 is half a kilogram heavier than the IAR naked (4.1kg vs 3.6kg). An ACOG is also half the weight of a SUSAT (TA33 280g, vs SUSAT 470g, SUSAT A1 495g) which is half of why it was replaced. The L86A2 is approximately another kilogram heavier (6.6kg loaded.
+
+The L85 family is the most overweight family of small arms yet built. Compared only to other full length 5.56 rifles:
+AUG: 3.6kg (with integrated optic)
+EF88: 3.4kg
+FAMAS/G2: 3.6/3.8kg (19in barrel)
+M16A2-A4: 3.4kg
+SG540: 3.5kg
+SG550: 3.75kg
+
+Bonus fact: An unloaded L1A1 SLR is lighter than an unloaded L85A2 as issued.
+--- 57915333
+>>57899068 (OP)
+>awful guns
+The only thing bad about the A2 is it isn't ambidextrous and has poor ergos. That's it.

k/57899341.txt

@@ -240,3 +240,322 @@ When the Zumwalt gets those hypersonic VLS installed we’re going to get floode
 >2023
 >still using electricity invented in the 1850's
 lol
+--- 57903785
+>>57902197
+Unironically, why is military research focusing on rail guns instead of gauss guns?
+
+The only limitation I understand for gauss guns that wouldn't apply to railguns is power switching from one coil to the next has to be extremely fast and coordinated. But I wouldn't immediately this is a bigger problem than creating a hypothetical super material that can withstand the rail gun armature scraping against it at Mach 8.
+--- 57903895
+>>57902995
+400 shots is better than the rated lifespan of most big naval guns from the interwar period.
+--- 57903957
+>>57899341 (OP)
+Dude how hard can it be its just a couple of magnets lmao
+--- 57904084
+>>57903785
+gauss guns are even more inefficient than railguns energy-wise
+--- 57904096
+>>57903512
+the pro's simply don't make up for the con's, a cruise missile is simply far more efficient at destroying shit from long range than a railgun, besides storage problems are a non-issue if you don't live in the third world
+I can see railguns being used for AA defense but even lasers are looking to be better in that regard
+--- 57904612
+>>57899558
+> Sailing around
+
+Aren't you the optimist. Tied to the dock rusting away, headed for an "upgrade" they'll never return from.
+--- 57904633
+>>57902134
+Is the concept of Convergent Development in Engineering that mystifying to you?
+--- 57904908
+>>57903553
+this, where are the plasma conduits?
+--- 57904937
+>>57903178
+MFC for 120 L44 and L55 is over 4500
+--- 57905072
+>>57899341 (OP)
+It's a travesty really
+--- 57905085
+>>57903458
+Oh boy. Railguns are the new MARAUDER.
+--- 57905112
+>>57903549
+>When the Zumwalt gets those hypersonic VLS installed!!!
+
+> The refit will include the removal of the existing twin 155mm Advanced Gun System on each ship to install four 87-inch tubes for hypersonic missiles. Three Common Hypersonic Glide Bodies (C-HGB) and their boosters could fit in each 87-inch tube – or 12 missiles per Zumwalt.
+
+Wow. A whole 12 missiles. Bet that has a billion Chinee shaking in their boots.
+--- 57905124
+I think you will see the first ones fielded will be anti-drone, then it'll be anti-missile, then it'll be anti aircraft. 
+It won't happen all at once, it'll be little by little.
+--- 57905183
+>>57899543
+>Japan wants to use theirs to intercept HGVs in terminal phase with naval artillery as a secondary role
+>we're back to the AA gun spam meta
+WHOOO BABY THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT
+LET'S GO
+--- 57906218
+>>57902243
+>>57902232
+Where is the skip glide retard? See>>57901166
+--- 57906540
+>>57899558
+>out-teched by China and Russia
+OHHH HERRAR PREASE RESS SIRRY AMERRICAN NO TECHNORROGY GOOD AS CHINA
+--- 57906620
+>>57906218
+>Where is the skip glide retard?
+It doesn't skip glide, retard. It's a literal Pershing II copy.
+--- 57906837
+>>57906620
+>their tech don't work bro
+Dumbass
+--- 57907005
+>>57906837
+May I see it working, bro bro bro?
+bro
+--- 57908841
+>>57906620
+>It's a literal Pershing II copy.
+Show me Pershing II doing skip glide and I'll conceed that DF-21D and DF-26 are copies. Otherwise you are just a dumbass mutt
+--- 57909094
+>>57908841
+Show me a DF-21D or DF-26 doing a skip glide flight profile, and I'll concede they're not Pershing II copies. Otherwise, you are just a retarded han-mutt.
+--- 57909119
+>>57909094
+It's all so tiresome.
+--- 57909170
+>>57909094
+You claimed it's a copy first mutt, so show me that Pershing II can do this:>>57902232
+--- 57909181
+>>57909170
+Wrong reference, show me Pershing II can do this:>>57901166
+--- 57909267
+>>57909170
+>You claimed it's a copy first mutt
+They are, literally, my coping han-mutt fren. See: >>57902134, >>57902232, >>57902243
+
+>>57909181
+First, show me that the DF-21D and DF-26 can do that. They're literally Pershing II copies that follow the same exact flight profile as the Pershing II. You can continue to cope and seethe, though, it's not going to change the truth.
+--- 57909289
+>>57899558
+yeah
+--- 57909301
+>>57899341 (OP)
+Here's the railgun.
+--- 57909345
+>>57909267
+>Look similar so it's copy
+What a retard
+--- 57909393
+>>57909345
+No, it's a copy so it's a copy. Why are you deflecting? Where is the proof the DF-21D and DF-26 fly a skip glide flight profile? You seem to have wasted your time finding unrelated pictures instead of that proof I asked for. Why? Is it because you know they're Pershing II copies, and your han-mutt DNA won't allow you to admit it and make Chiner lose face?
+--- 57909613
+>>57909393
+>look similar so its copy copy copy copy
+Why are mutts so retarded.
+--- 57909644
+>>57909613
+>>57909393
+>Why are you deflecting? Where is the proof the DF-21D and DF-26 fly a skip glide flight profile? You seem to have wasted your time finding unrelated pictures instead of that proof I asked for. Why? Is it because you know they're Pershing II copies, and your han-mutt DNA won't allow you to admit it and make Chiner lose face?
+--- 57909880
+>>57902995
+So it can intercept 400 nuclear missiles before a barrel replacement? Sounds pretty good.
+--- 57910318
+>>57901166
+How does being stuck with a conventional pershing 2 type missile not ruin your day though? is the glide profile harder to intercept or even detect? Ideally you'd want a missile that packs a punch and nobody knows it's coming, and by the time a targeting radar can do its thing it goes hypersonic with no time to intercept.
+--- 57911140
+>>57910318
+Skip-glide and hyperbolic glide: harder to detect and intercept, extend range and increase accuracy.
+The only downside it's that it's harder to control, that's why you need a lot of wind tunnel simulation
+--- 57911163
+>>57911140
+>>57909644
+--- 57911230
+>>57911140
+>harder to detect and intercept
+No, they're not. Space based early warning sats see them light-off just fine.
+--- 57911263
+>>57911230
+>>57911140
+>harder to detect and intercept
+compared to ballistic missile
+--- 57911309
+>>57911230
+--- 57911341
+>>57911263
+>compared to ballistic missile
+You're wrong, though (>>57911309). They're also not any faster than a BM.
+--- 57911345
+>>57911230
+Wouldn't these satellites be shot first though? China shot down one of their own years back, right - cant they do the same to US ones?
+--- 57911348
+>>57911341
+--- 57911399
+>>57911348
+>>57911263
+No, they orbit way too high for China to take them out.
+--- 57911408
+>>57911399
+>No, they orbit way too high for China to take them out.
+Meant for: >>57911345
+--- 57911418
+>>57911341
+>>57911309
+>>57911348
+>not any faster than a BM
+Don't you moron know how to read? where did I mention faster?
+
+I said "harder to detect and intercept, extend range and increase accuracy" compared to BM >>57911140
+--- 57911427
+>>57899543
+>However, hypersonic defense is what Japan sees as the gun’s primary application, Mishima said. It could also be land-based for island defense and shore-to-ship applications, he added. Hypersonic missiles and aircraft are defined as highly maneuverable and can reach Mach 5 or higher, which is a speed that railguns could be expected to achieve.
+Literally Stonehenge
+--- 57911439
+>>57905112
+To be fair 12 conventional missiles could kill a few hundred million Chinese thanks to them building their own self destruct button at three gorges
+--- 57911485
+>>57911418
+>Don't you moron know how to read? where did I mention faster?
+I addressed what your point was, and then more, to cut off your next bullshit claim, as it's clear you love pulling facts out of your blown out asshole.
+>I said "harder to detect
+No.
+>and intercept
+No
+>extend range
+Debatable
+>increase accuracy" compared to BM >>57911140
+And no. skip glide has nothing to do with accuracy, the Laser Ring Gyro has WAY more to do with accuracy than the flight profile, you retarded chinsect.
+--- 57911498
+>>57911439
+Conventional missiles cannot destroy the 3 gorges dam themselves unless you combine them with higher than average rainfall and strike the dams upriver with them.
+--- 57911515
+>>57911345
+Shooting down space based early warning assets is a great way to convince the other side to launch a first strike. Their only purpose is to detect the massive IR signature of a ballistic missile or orbital rocker launch, they serve no other purpose. Shooting them down signals you want to launch your missiles, which tells the other side they need to launch now because yours could already be launching
+--- 57911531
+>>57911498
+So what you're saying is they could destroy three gorges
+--- 57911557
+>>57911485
+Tests seem to say that the AEGIS can track and target HBG/HCM, and SM-6 has engaged a hypersonic simulated warhead[1, 1a]. Plans are to test the SM-6 against a mock HBG soon[2], and the SM-Block 1B being made now will have increased range and hypersonic speeds[3]. If they put the Multi-Object Kill Vehicle on them along with the GBI and SM-3, it will make it even easier. THAAD and SM-3s are also being looked at under the Hypersonic Defense Weapon System (HDWS) program called DART[4][5]. They've had the technological ability to turn the AEGIS SM family and THAAD into some serious, serious killers over the last decade, but, the DoD, Congress, and Executive branch has been kikes with funds and not allowed them to do it, publically. Though, either smaller contracts, or internal funding from the companies still push the tech along, just not in mass-produced service until the DoD decides what it wants to do.
+
+If you're talking about the DF-21D, DF-26, or Avangard, they're copies of the US Pershing II MaRV. The US has shown the ability for decades to intercept the Pershing II MaRV with the Patriot PAC-3 missile[6]. So, the DF-21D. DF-26, or Avangard aren't a problem to intercept. Especially when you start adding in EW and anti-satellite warfare that would be used to attack China's and Russia's relay, tracking and targeting satellites.[7][7a][7b][7c] Am I saying MEV-1, and MEV-2 are anti-satellite, satellites? No, but, it does prove the ability to track, target, and dock with satellites while disabling them.
+--- 57911567
+>>57911557
+Sources:
+
+[1]https://insidedefense.com/daily-news/aegis-amdr-detected-tracked-and-launched-simulated-sm-6-against-long-range-hypersonic
+[1a]https://www.appropriations.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/McQuiston%20Statement%20for%20the%20Record.pdf
+[2]https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/40178/navy-sm-6-missile-will-attempt-to-swat-down-a-mock-hypersonic-weapon
+[3]https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/27068/navy-to-supersize-its-ultra-versatile-sm-6-missile-for-even-longer-range-and-higher-speed
+[4]https://aviationweek.com/defense-space/missile-defense-weapons/lockheed-proposes-thaad-variant-hypersonic-interceptor
+[5]https://spacenews.com/lockheed-martin-aerojet-rocketdyne-developing-new-thaad-booster/
+[6]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmjxQM2I7JU
+[7]MEV-1: https://spacenews.com/northrop-grummans-mev-1-servicer-docks-with-intelsat-satellite/
+[7a]MEV-2: https://www.space.com/northrop-grumman-mev-2-docks-intelsat-satellite
+[7b]X-37b: https://www.af.mil/About-Us/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/104539/x-37b-orbital-test-vehicle/
+[7c]AEGIS ASAT: https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=19227400
+--- 57911597
+>>57911309
+>>57911341
+>>57911348
+>the sources on these slides
+Is this a joke?
+--- 57911658
+>>57911597
+>Is this a joke?
+No? It is a counter to brainlets making articles about shit they don't understand. Why?https://scienceandglobalsecurity.org/archive/sgs28tracy.pdf
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuWT4L-EJ2o&t=60s [Embed]
+--- 57911826
+>>57911557
+>SM-6
+Assuming it works. China has like 5x more missiles than US has for interceptor.
+
+>DF-21D, DF-26, or Avangard, they're copies of the US Pershing II MaRV
+>MaRV
+Sanger Ballistic is HGV MaRV to you? keep coping
+--- 57911877
+>>57899558
+>Blow all your budget on a meme ship built specifically to carry either a railgun or laser cannon
+stop posting this you stupid cunt, it was never supposed to have railguns or lasers it was designed specifically for AGS (LRLAP) which was sabotaged for being "too based" [sic]
+they considered MAYBE replacing AGS with a railgun/lasers in recent years, but that was after the Pentagon ruined the project
+--- 57911914
+>>57911826
+>Assuming it works.
+It does any other time, why would it not now?
+>China has like 5x more missiles than US has for interceptor.
+Proof?
+>Sanger Ballistic is HGV MaRV to you? keep coping
+Avangard isn't even real, unless you can show me the HGV used on it, and tests of it actually working. DF-21D and DF-26 are literal copies of the Pershing II MaRV. We've already had this discussion here. Still waiting on that proof.>>57909267
+--- 57912000
+>>57911914
+>look similar so it's copie
+retard doesn't even realize she's retarded
+--- 57912043
+>>57912000
+Keep the seething and coping going, Ling Wing. Also, where is that proof?
+--- 57912045
+>>57902770
+nobody expects to get hit by the gauss urbie
+--- 57912058
+>>57909301
+best railgun
+--- 57912163
+>>57899341 (OP)
+Yes... but you have colourful bum sex, and isn't that what you're fighting for?
+--- 57912231
+>>57899558
+>All the extra power the ship generates now useless
+>mobile auxiliary power is useless
+
+lol
+--- 57912310
+>>57911826
+>Assuming it works. 
+>China has like 5x more missiles than US has for interceptor.
+>Assuming it works.
+
+lmfao good one, chang..... good one. i bet 90% of chinas "missiles" are just cardboard tubes. Your whole country is corrupt from the bottom to the top.
+--- 57912448
+>>57903390
+Based GI Joe enjoyer
+--- 57912592
+The biggest problem with rail guns is practicality.
+
+It was a hard realization for me as well, but follow my logic.
+
+What is the goal of a magnetic cannon of any stripe? Shoot a slug from point A to point B and leave a huge hole in the target. We want it to go fast and we want it to not be intercepted.
+
+Well, if the desired outcome is a big hole in the target at B, can we do it with more efficient methods? 
+
+The answer is yes. We can shoot any number of missiles at it. We can use existing artillery at it. We can send Boris the Turbo-Slav 9000 to headbutt the target with a claymore taped to his forehead.
+
+Or we can put a huge expensive and limited application weapon on a boat, remove 90% of everything else on the boat, replace it with expensive equipment and prey it doesn’t break in five minutes thanks to Ensign Ricky trying to pee his name on the lithium ion battery containment for the tenth time this month. 
+
+The same issue applies to hypersonics. You can do the same job cheaper, easier, and with fewer headaches with other stuff.
+--- 57912807
+>>57899558
+>>Blow all your budget on a meme ship built specifically to carry either a railgun or laser cannon
+
+the zumwalt was specifically built around a regular ass 155mm cannon that used gunpowder. it was only special because it fired gps guided shells. it was cancelled because of government contract fuckery after the contractor decided to triple the cost of each shell. it was never intended to carry either a railgun or laser cannon.
+--- 57912951
+>>57912310
+>Your whole country is corrupt from the bottom to the top.
+Doesn't realize the USA is a corrupt shithole compare to China. I hope you liked your covid pass
+--- 57913035
+>>57912951
+--- 57913043
+holy shit this is the average person
+
+they see half a headline and walk around going OH MY GAWD DID YEEEW KNOW??
+--- 57913079
+this fucker Jon must be absolutely COVERED in soft metals from showering without soap
+--- 57913128
+>>57913035
+>posting made up shits
+--- 57913146
+>>57913128
+>made up
+--- 57913723
+>>57913146
+Just like Australia

k/57900131.txt

@@ -183,3 +183,205 @@ I will never understand the hate MO's get.
 >Seal up and throw in the box inside the store
 >Item shows up a week-ish later
 If this is too complex for you or are too much if a sperg to literally say like three lines of dialog to a woman behind a counter I think you shouldn't be around a firearm. Sorry.
+--- 57905687
+>>57902951
+>I don't know why the fuck he just didn't want to send me a personal check.
+Many sellers won't take them at all, and for those that do it's standard practice for them to hold the check for a while, commonly 2 weeks, for them to make sure it clears before they send your goods. They either assumed you wouldn't take a personal check or they didn't want to wait that long.
+--- 57905710
+>>57902355
+Echecks work just like credit or debit cards, the banks charge a processing fee.
+--- 57905762
+>>57902047
+My only annoyance is that a lot of them don't want cashier's checks. It's faster for me to drive to my bank, get a cashier's check, then drive to UPS and mail it that way compared to doing all that shit at the post office because they are that much slower for service. 
+Cashier's checks are essentially the exact same thing. The money gets sequestered in escrow, then only released to the named individual, but whatever, they have what I want and tend to sell it for reasonable prices. I got my kodiak Express for about 1000 smackers less than the one that sold a week before because the dumb boomer didn't know how to take non-shit pictures.
+--- 57906154
+i'll buy the item that is a bit higher priced if it's credit card and no extra card fee. my time isn't free and i'm not doing (((math))) to calculate the exact amount of kikery you're trying to pull.
+--- 57906241
+>>57900131 (OP)
+I actually prefer money order payments over credit or things like PayPal/Venmo. Most of my guns purchased on gunbroker were through money orders. 
+Purchasing a money order and paid envelope is halal’s cheaper than the credit card premiums so I find them to be worth it even with the instant transactions of credit cards and other modern payment methods.
+Another benefit of money orders is that some purchasers/bidders will go out of their ways to avoid items that require them, therefore a chance of less bidders and a better deal.
+--- 57906396
+Is it the pandemic or did something else happen the last couple years that's causing zoomers to do this weird virtue signaling thing against older behavior? I had some hipster rant at me for five minutes when he tried to pick up something I had on Craigslist. Dude said I had to take Zelle because no humans still used cash for anything. Told him to fuck off and got cash from the next guy.
+
+I've never had a problem using money orders. You can't wait another few days to get a gun you just impulse bought?
+--- 57906433
+>see mag tube extension for my benelli
+>send money order
+>3 weeks later receive mag tube extension
+
+That's it, that's the whole story. Sometimes I think you guys purposefully seek out scams so you have something to bitch about.
+--- 57906456
+>Nobody in this thread was born prior to 2002 or whenever eBay started using PayPal
+
+You'll never know how it feels to have an envelope stuffed with money order receipts from that month's sales/purchases.
+--- 57906474
+I guess this goes hand in hand with the "It's been TWO FUCKING DAYS and seller STILL hadn't shipped my gun! Do I call my credit card or the police first??" threads.
+--- 57906621
+>>57906474
+The only thing that bothers me with waits is when the gunshop sits on your gun. I had one hold my desert eagle for 3 days, just waiting to log it into their system.
+--- 57906780
+>>57900245
+They were pretty useful for paying rent while I was living in the US.
+
+t. Yuro that spent a semester in CA
+--- 57909358
+>>57902143
+is the no firearms/accessories thing just paypal or does zelle/cashapp/etc do the same thing
+--- 57909391
+>>57906621
+They're just doing you the favor of saying they don't want your business anymore and find somebody more respectful of you :)
+--- 57909407
+>>57909358
+Zelle no since that's just a direct bank transfer essentially, CashApp has rules against federally regulated stuff but minimal enforcement mechanisms, and Venmo also doesn't permit firearms but they do permit accessories unlike PayPal (despite being owned by PP).
+--- 57910260
+>>57900131 (OP)
+the credit card paper trail zoomer vs the p2p cash boomer.
+you guys are gonna enjoy the new digital dollar that somehow never works for gun purchases.
+--- 57910273
+>>57910260
+>>57900131 (OP)
+and to stay on topic:
+>go to post office
+>fill out thing
+>pay
+>get send stuff
+>throw away little receipt because everything worked out ok
+--- 57910380
+>>57900245
+i see zelle paypal venmo and that shit used more for fraud than these things 
+t.works in a credit union
+--- 57910495
+>>57900245
+how can you commit fraud you stupid retard. its your own damn fault if you dont fill out the receipt part. the post office literally will give you your money back if it gets lost or so.
+--- 57910527
+>>57910495
+>hello mr grampa sirs, this is the irs, please go to the offical US post office and send an irrevokable money order to 
+IRS LLC, 555 Delhi Ave, Los Angeles.
+--- 57910541
+>>57909407
+The only /k/ drawback with zelle is that while receive is unlimited how much can be sent per day/month varies by bank. Partner banks often are $2500-20k, enough for nearly anything (if buying something more than that probably time to get more serious about specialized payment/escrow/flatout meeting them, that's bigger money). But rando banks are like $500, which can do a certain amount but leaves a lot uncovered.
+
+Non-/k/ drawback is US banks only but firearms export is an entire different can of worms so not really relevant here.
+--- 57910619
+>>57900131 (OP)
+Ive bought dozens of things on gunbroker with them and havent had any issues. Most private sellers dont have card readers and paypal is anti gun
+--- 57910668
+>>57900542
+Incredible how you select the three services people DON'T use. Do you mean Venmo and Apple Pay?
+--- 57910673
+>>57909407
+>Venmo
+>owned by PayPal
+I knew there was a reason I hated those cockfags.
+--- 57910677
+>>57900131 (OP)
+>some flyover state
+Fuck commiefornia and shit york.
+--- 57910727
+>>57906154
+>i'll buy the item that is a bit higher priced if it's credit card and no extra card fee
+Same same
+My time is worth too much
+--- 57910783
+>>57910527
+>t. has no idea how money orders work.
+
+The guy picking up the MO has to ID himself to the post office. Which is why its gonna be obvious real fucking fast if some pajeet keeps cashing in MOs from dozens of people. Which is why they are always doing the cash fraud bullshit or the google play store thing. they don't need ID to cash in a gift card.
+
+And on top of that there is a little receipt attached to the MO. If you fill that out and keep it, you can go back to the post office and say: "hey XYZ is claiming he hasn't got the money, can you check?" or "my dog ate my MO, can you replace this one?" or in your case: "i believe I'm the victim of fraud, I need the personal details of the guy who picked up the MO"
+
+Yes its a hassle, but you also get that hassle with paypal and zelle if you try to reverse a f&fs payments or a wire transfer. Credit card chargeback is literally your only option but so many people do chargeback fraud thats precisely why people don't want to accept it. And they don't want to be part of the list that visa and venmo fax over to the atf every week.
+--- 57910864
+Auctions on Gunbroker that accept credit card ALWAYS go for more than MO only boomers auctions.
+--- 57910890
+>>57910727
+>>57906154
+You are wasting your time shitposting on 4chan rn. Quit fucking lying.
+--- 57910920
+>>57910890
+The difference is, he wants to do that
+--- 57910977
+>>57910677
+there are many great states that arent fly over or the big coastie states. Most of them are in the former confederacy or by desert areas
+--- 57910991
+Zoomers interact with the postal service and then cry about it traumatizing them ... you can't make this shit up
+--- 57911022
+>>57910920
+Does he? Are you sure you can just leave here?
+--- 57911041
+>>57900131 (OP)
+Took like 4 months to get my Colt Woodsman, totally worth it though
+--- 57911734
+>>57910783
+>guy who picked up the MO"
+
+I was under the impression that you can deposit money orders to your bank like a check
+--- 57911760
+>>57911041
+Kino
+--- 57911812
+>>57909391
+I did.
+--- 57911920
+>>57900131 (OP)
+>can't use a USPS money order
+holy fuck
+--- 57911922
+>>57900131 (OP)
+Money Orders are based you fucking retard.
+--- 57912416
+>>57900245
+Wrong fuck ass. Postal moneyorders are safe as fuck
+--- 57912532
+>>57912416
+It's the same as cash.
+--- 57912564
+>>57912532
+So anyone can use it?
+--- 57913486
+>>57912416
+It’s called “busting” and it’s very common
+--- 57913567
+>>57900131 (OP)
+>bought multiple firearms and firearm related things from boomer in flyover states
+>never had a problem, always shipped immediately after receiving money order
+I thought it was a shit system at first, but I've only had good experiences.
+--- 57913628
+>>57901114
+Honestly for GB, if they have a good rep I have no issues just sending it out simultaneously with them sending the money order/certified check if it isn't too expensive. Sold a scope to an elderly man recently and timed it to where he got the optic on the same day I got the payment. 4 days, roughly. I'm just a private seller so it's not like it's my livelihood, but if you can trust the other party it doesn't even have to be slow.
+--- 57914025
+>>57913628
+That happens to me sometimes too. Last thing I bought with a money order I told the guy I mailed it and he shipped the thing immediately lol I got it before he got the money order.
+--- 57914058
+>Be autist, never done a money order before
+>Go to post office, spaghetti getting ready to spill out of my pockets at any minute
+>Wait, that wasn't actually that hard
+>Only part that still makes me nervous now is triple-checking the address to make sure my dogshit handwriting gets understood
+--- 57914081
+>>57900598
+I have never had a single issue sending a money order in my life. In my experience the ancient boomers that will only accept money orders tend to otherwise be a pleasure to do business with.
+--- 57914336
+>>57900598
+>It's a relic of a bygone era.
+As long as you're not a knuckle-dragging retard, you should have no problem using a money order unless the person you're sending it to is a bitchtits boomer who makes weird demands about how it has to be filled out.
+In that case, it's not the money order's fault, it's just a boomer being a boomer.
+>inb4 i bet you haven't even used a money order before b-bitch
+I've yet to have a problem with them yet, but then again, I don't buy shit from GunBoomer on a regular basis.
+--- 57914368
+>>57901481
+>high time preference: the movie
+--- 57914377
+>>57911041
+Kino sexo.
+--- 57915071
+am I the only zoomer who doesn't care about this shit? I'm not gonna sperg out if I have to, god forbid, go to the post office down the street and use my hand to write on something. 
+
+having said that how does this work for buying things and having it shipped to an FFL? it's all the same, just a different shipping receiver, right?
+--- 57915119
+>>57915071
+>am I the only zoomer who doesn't care about this shit?
+Congrats on being able to function outside of your smart phone. You are a credit to your generation.
+--- 57915156
+>>57915119
+I unironically use a flip phone. feels comfy man

k/57900191.txt

@@ -135,3 +135,110 @@ Warranty it.
 --- 57903094
 >>57901996
 Keep an eye out on the battery performance if you can. Heard InSight may have some battery drain issues to offset the power it puts out.
+--- 57903984
+M3 review
+--- 57904456
+What does your guys battery stash look like?
+--- 57904561
+Any EUfag has a list of reputable sellers for europoors ?
+--- 57904694
+>>57900407
+You get those free when you buy a cloud def light. Pretty good.
+--- 57905250
+https://www.canonrumors.com/canon-developing-world-first-ultra-high-sensitivity-ilc-equipped-with-spad-sensor-supporting-precise-monitoring-through-clear-color-image-capture-of-subjects-several-km-away-even-in-darkness/
+
+SPAD has the potential to match and exceed gen 3 in every respect except battery life. The first iterations might not do that. But if Canon pulls this off, it could revolutionize night vision. The major drawback is that SPAD chips could potentially, over time, come down in price to the point where every security camera has gen 3 level performance. Not sure I like the idea of that as the world is watched too much already.
+--- 57905390
+>Unironically spent half a year's worth of my salary on high end dual tubes + helmet & mount etc.
+>Now i take walks alone in the woods at night, something i did before but i'm less scared now 
+Still cry because i have no one to do it with, the tears make it hard to see through the nods sometimes, should i maybe buy my dad or brother a pair and ask him to go with me, or will they think of me more a failure for not having no friends? 
+My coworkers are all a bunch of cucks and i don't have contact to anyone from school anymore.
+--- 57905393
+>>57901717
+>Bought from kosher
+no refunds goy
+--- 57905939
+>>57905390
+Get some Cat Crap that should help you see through the tears.
+--- 57906009
+>>57905390
+>Unironically spent half a year's worth of my salary on high end dual tubes + helmet & mount etc.
+>should I buy another setup for someone else
+No retard
+--- 57906024
+>>57905390
+Friends don't always make everything better. They aren't a magic cure-all. Something to think about. Let's say you do end up finding somebody to go with you. What will you do when they want to go back early? What will you do when they don't want to check what's over that next hill? Will you feel like you wasted a trip? My experience with this sort of thing comes from fishing. That is an example of something best done alone in my opinion. Yes, friends can make a bad day a bit more fun but you can't escape that latent pressure to put people on fish. This dictates the entire trip for me and heavily limits my freedom. I can't go explore new areas at the risk of not catching anything at all if I'm dragging people around. Don't let loneliness get to your head like that if you can help it.
+--- 57906061
+>>57905390
+If you live in New England I'll go in the woods with you nigga
+--- 57906176
+>>57905390
+What region are you in, anon? I'm sure theres people on here thatd go with you
+--- 57906186
+>>57905390
+bro if half of your years salary is being spent on this stuff you should reevaluate your financial goals first. I hope you already have a 401k or IRA or something first and you have your major debts paid off.
+--- 57906345
+Anyone had their lasersneed fail yet? Besides the qd mount issue.
+--- 57906418
+>>57906345
+I haven't heard of any failing. They're used by a lot of Indonesian militaries now.
+--- 57906567
+Ive had issues with the strobe coming on occasionally when I double tap the laser.
+--- 57906657
+>>57904456
+Consumer Duracell stuff is dogshit nowadays. They leak like nobody's business. I use a plastic ammo carrier to keep batteries organized. I have eneloops for AA and AAA. I have a secondary ammo carrier in which I insert the discharged eneloops to keep track of them.
+--- 57908186
+>>57905390
+Go out and meet friends, night vision is much more fun that way
+--- 57908226
+Has anyone here tried this? Do you guys think it can survive being put on a 7,62x54R rifle?
+--- 57908409
+>>57905390
+This >>57908186, check out astronomy clubs/groups they are one of the largest group of NVD owners. And you may enjoy star gazing and night photography and have more usage of your NVD.
+--- 57908788
+>>57908409
+--- 57909040
+>>57908226
+x54R? idk. But people.have regularly shot it on SCAR17, it has a factory recoil reducing mount that works with 1.93 height scopes.
+--- 57909050
+>>57908788
+based
+--- 57909125
+>>57908226
+The FOV is pretty tight for head mounting so its best thought of as a "it can be head mounted" device and still better primarily used as a handheld scanner or short/medium range weapon mount device.
+If you use the shock absorption mount they are rated up to 300 Win so 54r is easily in range. The QD direct mount is best used for 5.56 and lighter. The issue for 54r is likely to be getting it mounted rearward enough if you are using it standalone or having enough forward rail to use as a clip-on for something like a Mosin.
+--- 57909435
+>>57909040
+>>57909125
+Thanks. 
+>The issue for 54r is likely to be getting it mounted rearward enough if you are using it standalone or having enough forward rail to use as a clip-on for something like a Mosin.
+That shouldn't be an issue, I'm looking to mount it on a tigr with a third party side rail.
+--- 57909505
+Watching a video about some redskins, what is this guy rocking?
+--- 57910985
+bump
+--- 57912122
+>>57906061
+>hookup pending
+--- 57912765
+Is there any specific reason to get a lasersneed m3 over an fl5 when they're practically the same size and weight?
+--- 57912959
+>>57912765
+If you don't need the light and want a QD.
+--- 57914286
+>>57912765
+>>57912959
+Also protected wind and elevation turrets
+--- 57914962
+>>57912765
+Better white light placement with the M3
+--- 57915034
+>>57914962
+the m3 doesnt have a white light???
+--- 57915106
+>>57905250
+Do you have access to this paper from 2021 on the sensor?
+https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?tp=&arnumber=9720605
+--- 57915135
+>>57915034
+No, but it does sit higher if you want to mount a white light underneath.

k/57900572.txt

@@ -106,3 +106,81 @@ It also has a huge port and a huge airport. Sure, oil is become less important f
 --- 57903163
 >>57900572 (OP)
 >500 rifles
+--- 57903956
+>>57902057
+Can you imagine just how hard a third world shithole would get fucked into the earth if they even intimated that they would threaten that strait?
+Every single nation that even has an air force would take turns running a train on them. Their land would be reduced back to its constituent fucking molecules. God it gets me hard just thinking about it.
+--- 57903975
+zero wars under Trump. under illegal biden regime, MIC started wars again all over the world
+
+https://youtube.com/shorts/s_Pr73C7Qjc?feature=share
+--- 57904001
+>>57903975
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Conflicts_in_2017
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Conflicts_in_2018
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Conflicts_in_2019
+Why would you make a statement so easilly debunked?
+--- 57904006
+>>57903975
+Biden is needful of, please sir.
+--- 57904013
+>>57901903
+>>57901998
+Europe freezes this winter, right?
+--- 57904031
+>>57903975
+>zero wars under Trump. under illegal biden regime, MIC started wars again all over the world
+aah yes we believe you English-speaking John from Chicago Oblast
+--- 57904048
+>>57904001
+im sorry which of these non-usa conflicts is with a nuclear super power exactly?
+--- 57904492
+>>57900595
+Fuck off tourist. /k/ has always been an African warfare appreciation board.
+--- 57904549
+>>57904031
+John
+--- 57904655
+>>57900572 (OP)
+
+Great updates anon. Keep them coming. Please. Right now this is just one of a bunch of armed conflicts in Africa, but thanks to you we get to follow one of them at least. Imagine if we had anons covering Mali, Congo, Libya...
+--- 57904724
+>>57904655
+People in the DR Congo don't even know what's happening in the DR Congo...
+Plus there's too many pro- Rwanda shills on /k/ and social media.
+--- 57904976
+>>57900572 (OP)
+So what's Somaliland's end game here? What are they hoping to gain from this conflict?
+--- 57905093
+>>57904976
+To kick Somalia's teeth in so hard that they never try to invade SL again
+--- 57905231
+>>57901713
+>da newfags! yet cites 7 year old rule
+>ukrainian civil war
+lol what a retard
+--- 57906622
+>>57900572 (OP)
+>>15 western nations and the EU officially demanded Somaliland stop it's war and leave the city of laascaanood
+>>Somaliland replied saying no
+--- 57906662
+>>57900595
+Kill yourself
+--- 57906843
+Somaliland needs to start firing rockets and make that a frequent.
+--- 57909576
+>>57900572 (OP)
+Yeah I'm thinking based
+--- 57911898
+>>57903956
+Retard it's important because *you* can put a base there *as* a first world country.
+--- 57911910
+>>57904031
+>Trump means Russia!
+Post gun
+--- 57913529
+>>57909576
+Yes
+--- 57913559
+>>57901713
+Do you even know why they made the rule and what the actual target was, newfag?

k/57900669.txt

@@ -107,3 +107,263 @@ T-72M2 Moderna
 Nord 1500 Griffon, French ramjet interceptor.
 --- 57903648
 This thing is absolute sex.
+--- 57903670
+>>57903641
+>>57903648
+looks fucking vile
+--- 57903734
+Udes XX-20.
+--- 57903803
+>>57903484
+>>57903489
+>destroying the kraut aviation industry 
+Based Americans. Wouldn’t want another chimpout (thankfully cancelled forever because germs can’t breed)
+--- 57903817
+>>57903803
+ok kike
+--- 57903836
+>>57903817
+>da jooz
+Doubt they care about vanishing races
+--- 57903964
+>>57903836
+you talk like a kike and frankly idgaf what kind of butthurt shithole you're from
+--- 57903997
+>>57903964
+>da jooz 
+Again, doubt they care about geriatric shitholes 
+>shitholes
+The one Germany imports since they can’t breed (German men being ugly af ain’t gonna cap)
+--- 57904119
+>>57903997
+that's a lot of seething and projection, please do go on
+--- 57904221
+>>57904022
+Would this be useful vs basic drones that just hover over to drop grenades?
+--- 57904480
+57903997
+How many of your sisters did you sell to pay for the voyage from your shithole to Europe
+--- 57904757
+>>57904627
+useless compared to attack helicopters
+--- 57904935
+>>57904757
+But this is supposed to take down helicopters?
+--- 57905114
+>>57904221
+It isn't even functional, the laser projectors and expensive electronics were taken out and probably sold or scrapped, it also had massive synthetic rubies to focus the laser beams. Laser weapons could open arguments that they might be used to blind enemy troops which is prohibited and possibly a war crime.
+--- 57905120
+>>57905114
+>which is prohibited
+As if that has ever stopped anyone. Besides my question stands. Would this be effective in cooking the cheapo hover drones?
+--- 57905141
+>>57905120
+Melting them? No. Frying the camera and other optical equipment? Yes. If the radar it carries can detect small drones in the first place.
+--- 57905148
+VGH
+--- 57905165
+>>57905148
+>Iowa sized missile cruiser
+Now this is sex
+--- 57905173
+>>57905165
+the polaris is fun but I think this configuration looks better
+--- 57905221
+>>57905165
+God bless Cool-kyou
+--- 57905228
+>>57905221
+Imagine this launching a barrage on Beijing after their AA is crippled
+--- 57905580
+>>57904757
+one helicopter has been deposited to your account
+--- 57905601
+>>57905173
+friggen cool 
+
+pic unrel
+--- 57905969
+>>57905148
+>it looks like a cargo ship with missile turrets
+Pass.
+--- 57906230
+>>57904935
+interesting, I didn't know until now that PARS 3 LR is infrared guided
+--- 57906243
+>>57906230
+It just werks
+--- 57906506
+STROP II SPAAG
+--- 57906631
+>>57906243
+debatable, there was some test of that missile in the desert that had a bad hit rate, but some people say the conditions were shit and the missile performed perfectly in temparate conditions like they exist in central Europe, so...
+apparently the large container exists to cool the heatseeker of the missile so that targets can be acquired quicker than e.g. with the Javelin
+--- 57906661
+If your answer isn't this what are you smoking?
+--- 57906669
+>Canard's your F-15
+psssh...nothin
+personnel...kid...
+--- 57906814
+>>57906661
+> looks cool af first day 
+> a week later realize it looks slightly like jar jar binks 
+> cant unsee
+--- 57906818
+>>57905148
+>guided missile battleship
+--- 57907037
+>>57906661
+Is that GD on the front RBG? Can the commander make it pulsing rainbow?
+--- 57907042
+>>57907037
+RGB, am retarded
+--- 57907304
+>>57905221
+US Navy? 
+That was a Royal Navy concept lol....
+--- 57907422
+>>57903676
+Why?
+--- 57907584
+>>57903803
+>>57903836
+>Based Americans
+>vanishing races
+50 million of whom are German, krauts aren't disappearing anytime soon
+--- 57907962
+>>57907304
+A Royal Navy Concept. 
+With an SH-60 on the flight deck. 
+Posted in the May of 1995 issue of "U.S. Navy All Hands" magazine. 
+
+Are you sure about that, anon?
+--- 57908590
+>>57906814
+fuck you
+--- 57909234
+This mysterious 1930s US autoloading rifle styled after the Model 1903 bolt-action rifle. It just looks so cool. Probably didn't work worth a damn.
+--- 57909419
+>>57903491
+The issue with the Abrams X is going to be the final weight.
+
+The turret still has the same thickness and is heavier than the current Abrams turret, and they added extra hull armor to keep the crew safe. 
+
+The fucker it going to weight 80-90 tons.
+--- 57909438
+>>57909419
+Well, She’s over 280 so…
+--- 57909449
+>>57905221
+This needs to be the cruiser replacement, Just a fuck ton of VLS.
+--- 57909495
+>PZL-230 Skorpion
+polish attack aircraft from the early 90s
+--- 57909608
+>>57907584
+All of those are 60 year old boomers like Germans who never had children (just like Germans)
+--- 57909786
+>>57907422
+"what if armored car got stuck in cross country? Oh yeah slap tracks on it for extra traction" I'd imagine
+--- 57909796
+>Russians adapt a billions different rifles
+>Don't adapt this sexy beast
+--- 57910019
+>>57903472
+
+That's because everything of value is stolen since decades from germany by the all-lies war criminals
+--- 57910041
+>>57907584
+
+german diaspora is 240 million and growing, sorry kikes
+--- 57910542
+>>57903383
+>it's a shame that our enemies all stopped being our enemies for 30 years
+No it isn't
+--- 57910575
+>>57903659
+Is...is that an M551 turret with a 105mm gun? On an AAV?
+>googles
+Yes, that is exactly what that is.
+--- 57910597
+>>57909234
+looks like it uses a shotgun-style semi-auto action
+--- 57910780
+>>57902698
+Looks cute
+--- 57910936
+>>57904627
+why tf was this cancelled? Why wouldnt you want a system that can destroy tanks safely from behind concealment. Literally to OP to exist
+--- 57911035
+>>57910936
+as with so many things, because the soviet union collapsed
+--- 57911413
+>>57909495
+yo buddy, still alive?
+--- 57911716
+>>57903690
+Cute little fella
+--- 57912365
+ZTZ-99 with 140mm cannon.
+--- 57912397
+>>57900669 (OP)
+>no era around the gun mantlet
+--- 57912427
+>>57900669 (OP)
+objekt 292
+
+T-80 with a 152mm gun, objectivley terrifying and also objectivley not able to carry a sufficent amount of ammo
+--- 57912443
+>>57909495
+when you accidentally hire an anime studio to design your aircraft
+--- 57912446
+>>57900669 (OP)
+Osório for national pride
+--- 57912479
+>>57903509
+best tank in wargame
+--- 57912524
+>>57900669 (OP)
+I've got a lot of love in my heart for 140s and 152s
+--- 57912555
+>>57900669 (OP)
+the Su-47,for being stupid,russians have alot of sexy designs.
+
+(not effective,but sexy)
+--- 57912571
+YF-12
+>AYO KELLY, WE NEED AN INTERCEPTOR
+>Uhh... stick some missiles on that A-12
+Oh, what could have been.
+--- 57912635
+>>57900669 (OP)
+I audibly "VGH" whenever I think of it.
+--- 57912731
+>>57912555
+This would be a horrifying CAS aircraft design.
+--- 57912751
+>>57912635
+Where ammo go
+--- 57912949
+>>57906661
+God I love it so much
+--- 57912999
+>>57912571
+i swear to god, reamke this but with stealth and top of the range electronics, and extended range, and bam youve got the airforce's 6th generation fighter right there.
+--- 57913025
+>>57912731
+horrifying like bad or like scary?
+
+cuz forward swept wings are pretty ideal for cas, they give much better control at high angles of attack
+--- 57913071
+>>57906661
+What an absolute fucking dab on the rest of the planet lmao
+--- 57913239
+>>57903493
+Look above, if you're getting blasted by mbt (or atgm fire) you've already fucked up. Unless you're a profound proponent of russian style of tank combat, then you need every bit of steel you can find.
+--- 57913565
+>>57907037
+truly abrams x is for the gamer generation
+--- 57914493
+>>57910575
+they got a lot of mileage out of that turret for prototypes

k/57900820.txt

@@ -167,3 +167,294 @@ See what I mean? A German came by and did exactly what I said he would. They rea
 - stash ammo and illegal guns at home, get vanned, do it again, get vanned again...
 These weren't patriots, they were retarded larpers. It honestly scares me that the wannabe tier 1 units in my country don't have any idea about simple opsec/persec
 It is also telling that it's the KSK again, while the Kampfschwimmer (SEAL/UDT equivalent) simply keep being the quiet professionals without any scandals
+--- 57903698
+>tfw planning to join the Bundeswehr soon
+
+How over is it for me bros
+--- 57903727
+>>57900820 (OP)
+>How do you fix the Bundeswehr?
+You un-cuck- and unfuck Germany.
+Quite the daunting task.
+--- 57903748
+>>57900861
+>You are the elite chosen men to defend this great country.
+>Unfortunately, you're not allowed to like this country
+How.
+This blows my mind.
+>Make ultimate sacrifice to protect your own country
+>Literally kill or be killed 
+>"Oh oh HeyHEY-BUDDY, Do you LIKE your country? OH WELL FUCK YOU THEN"
+The Eternal German at work.
+Incredible Volk you got there Hans.
+--- 57903827
+>>57900861
+Crazy it was the 2nd company and not the 1nd lol those niggas did a motorbike race in the floor of their barracks but chill people. Btw the 2017 party was extremely exaggerated by left leaning media and politicians
+>did my time in a support unit in the same garnison
+--- 57903846
+>>57903698
+You are kinda safe if you joining Infantry/combat troops like Fallschirmjäger or Gebirgsjäger but the financial struggle will be visible everywhere. Be prepared to buy your own kit
+--- 57903929
+>>57903846
+I was thinking Aufklärer or Jäger
+--- 57903938
+>>57900820 (OP)
+As long as the green party exists, bundeswehr will not.
+And zoomers keep voting for them. Future is not nice.
+--- 57903945
+>>57903748
+>the government you planned a coup against found out, gave you a fair trial and then put you in a comfy EU jail
+Truly mind boggling how terrible and unfair and counter-productive it was. These were exactly the sort of people every nation wants kicking doors.
+--- 57903960
+>>57900937
+It's always the same poster. He will talk shit and then cry about some sort of defense force when he gets called out.
+--- 57903971
+>>57903960
+Nope, I only call Germans faggots once every few months. The gook shill and that one British autist also go after Germans but they do it out of nationalism and I do it because I hate your people. And because your reactions are always funny
+Enjoy the energy prices btw
+--- 57903976
+>>57900820 (OP)
+Let's be honest guys, when ukraine loses, and the USA collapses from nigger fatigue, who's gonna stop the Russians from coming to Berlin? Once the jewnited states is gone, putin can just roll forward with battlefield nukes and a million man chinese volunteer force.
+--- 57904003
+>>57903971
+>I come here to seethe about germans
+You should go to /pol/ or /int/ then instead of posting your off topic garbage here Untermensch kun.
+--- 57904011
+>>57900992
+>We nearly lost all of eastern Europe.
+Okay, now tell me the downside.
+--- 57904015
+>>57904003
+What’s off topic about saying Germans will go back to defunding their military when the Ukrainian war is over, krautard? Are you going to pretend it’s not true? Are we supposed to play along that you have simply the grandest military industry and are a great ally in times of war, that your weapons are great exports and that you could be a serious military power and it’s definitely going to happen, forreal, seriously guys? Even your mind must reject such delusions.
+--- 57904017
+>>57900820 (OP)
+>fixing eternal losers
+lol lmao
+--- 57904175
+>>57904015
+These are just just your own assumptions and strawmen and you have already established that you only come here to post your /pol/tier rants.there is nothing worth discussing with an animal like you.better change your posting style lest you get called out again in the future.
+--- 57904192
+>>57904175
+So you think Germany will allocate significant funding to its military and reorganise and rearm it, in the post war period?
+--- 57904269
+>>57903698
+>joining the Bundeswehr
+>in any year beyond 1998
+Ok, you probably weren't even born in 1998, but it's still retarded.
+--- 57904300
+>>57903698
+>How over is it for me bros
+Very, from what mates told me it will be soul crushing.
+You'll most likely feel like you've wasted your years there while being caught up in red tape and suffering from overbearing bureaucracy for the most inane things.
+Your enthusiasm will be ground down by incompetence and a broken system until boredom and apathy will envelop you and your peers.
+--- 57904328
+>>57900820 (OP)
+There are several factors going into this. First of all a lot of equipment is at the end of its lifecycle. Replacing that takes time. Additionally, the new budget is being negotiated at this time. Of course they are crying to get better funding, thats politics 101.
+
+>>57900861
+Name a country that doesn't sanction military personel that compiles kill lists for a coup d'etat.
+--- 57904428
+>>57904192
+a lot of the money is being wasted.the biggest problem is that the position of the defence minister was a meme title for decades.the SPD and CDU are full of shit.there will be a huge delay since they will both just continue to play hot potato and then blame whoever rules at the time for not doing anything.it's honestly hard to tell if it happens or not but it's becoming more likely with each month of the Ukraine war since that that keeps the terrible condition of the BW relevant.
+--- 57904450
+>>57904328
+>Name a country that doesn't sanction military personel that compiles kill lists for a coup d'etat.
+Japan before 1945
+--- 57904485
+>>57904450
+How’d that work out for them?
+--- 57904586
+>>57900820 (OP)
+Funny how several countries got more leopard tanks than Germany
+--- 57904646
+>>57900820 (OP)
+Remove Germans from all decision making processes, after working with some I have grown to hate them.
+--- 57904653
+>>57904646
+Based
+--- 57904660
+>>57900820 (OP)
+Reintroduce national pride into Germany for a start
+--- 57904678
+>>57904660
+Is it there, but it is there but its pride in Germany being subservient and progressive.
+--- 57904752
+Interesting. As soon as there are arms shipments to Ukraine, hate the respective country threads pop up.
+--- 57904787
+>>57904586
+And how many of them have 2A6 or more modern in higher numbers than Germany?
+--- 57905774
+>>57903976
+The alarm clock.
+--- 57905793
+>>57900820 (OP)
+Every German man should be given a rifle and a crate of ammo from the Bundeswehr on his 18th birthday.
+--- 57905879
+>>57904660
+What do modern day germans have to be proud of?
+--- 57905964
+>>57903945
+>>the government you planned a coup against found out, gave you a fair trial and then put you in a comfy EU jail
+>Truly mind boggling how terrible and unfair and counter-productive it was. These were exactly the sort of people every nation wants kicking doors.
+Hey hey, calm down faggot.
+No one mentionned a fucking Coup-d'Etat.
+Can you provide some form of Article or Proof of this?
+I just found out about this thing today, so hold your horses.
+
+I'm always open-minded for new information that contradicts the previous version of events.
+
+In the pic the Anon posted there is not a single mentionned of a Coup, which is weird, because it should have been the frontline part of such a news story.
+
+So please, do us a favor and back-up your post by providing some form of confirmation / Article / source / press conference to.
+You made a claim to Debunk the previous claim, therefore it's your job to provide proof of some sort.
+
+It's not that I don't believe you, I'm just confused about how I didn't hear about this until now. Wouldn't an attempted Coup-d'Etat against the German State be frontline news in the EU?
+That's why I'm asking for proof.
+--- 57906056
+>>57900861
+>far-rights loonies
+>patriots
+the absolute state of vatniks
+--- 57906421
+>>57905964
+https://ctc.westpoint.edu/the-insider-threat-far-right-extremism-in-the-german-military-and-police/
+https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/19/podcasts/far-right-german-extremism.html
+https://taz.de/taz-Recherche-auf-Englisch/!5558072/
+There are ofc a lot more in-depth sources in German. 
+Short summary: armed groups plan for a day x when public order breaks down (what day x is varies over time, also they start to get accelerationistic towards the end), they will take over local police and army barracks, "reestablish order" and take out any political enemies
+If you speak German and want to read in-depth about this, the book Staatsfeinde in Uniform is pretty good; some small hurr durr private gun ownership bad passages, but otherwise very well researched and honestly frightening
+--- 57906451
+>>57900820 (OP)
+
+>reduce authorized strength to 100,000 men
+>reintroduce Reichswehr-tier training standards
+--- 57906487
+>>57900861
+
+What are we counting as "right-wing" incidents?
+
+Daring to say Soviet soldiers engaged in mass rape when they captured Berlin?
+Daring to say that maybe uncontrolled immigration is a bad idea?
+Reposting a pregnant Anne Frank meme?
+--- 57906497
+>>57903660
+>Kampfschwimmer (SEAL/UDT equivalent) simply keep being the quiet professionals without any scandals
+
+Mean while in America...
+--- 57906518
+>>57900916
+>ready to launch a coup at the behest of the KGB
+This is who these people consider "patriots".
+--- 57906531
+>>57906487
+Having detailed plans for toppling the government on behest of the Soviets counts as a "right-wing" incident.
+The perils having terminal direction brain syndrome.
+--- 57906553
+>>57906531
+>Having detailed plans for toppling the government on behest of the Soviets counts as a "right-wing" incident.
+
+Oh, I thought that was a different incident, or were the dumbasses caught doing it again?
+--- 57906604
+>>57906487
+As far as I remember: nazi salutes, singing of forbidden songs, using forbidden insignia, too far right memes and quips
+Maybe as an addendum for understanding, the official Bundeswehr traditions rules say that there's hard cut between any third reich and east german forces and the Bundeswehr, meaning the Bundeswehr tradition is based mainly on 19th century military thinkers (e.g. Clausewith), military resistance during the third reich (Stauffenberg), and everything after 1965. Anything between 1918 and 1945 is taboo, the rest depends e.g. German campaign of 1813 is okay, since we take our national colours from there
+So within the German overton window, they were far outside conservatism and into seriously not okay right wing territory
+--- 57906773
+>>57901010
+If only they explode. Nuclear reactors leak. That was the main problem with Chernobyl. A single corium would've been able to poison four whole countries for decades if they didnt isolate it. The consequences would've been devastating for europe as a whole, considering that ukraine and poland are the main exporters of grain in the continent. 
+The reason why nuclear was banned was because the risks massively outweight the gains, a tiny error would cause irreparable damage. 
+Not only that, but the fact that countries universally known for their lack of security measures like Russia, Africa or china use reactors is enough of an excuse to declare them war, they're building dirty bombs with continent spanning radiuses
+--- 57908068
+>>57906773
+Modern designs are really fucking safe, problem is energy firms are shitting on safety regulations to increase profits. Rules of modern economics: you get to keep the profits and let the public pay for the losses
+--- 57908091
+>>57901122
+>Patriotism is when you let an evil government destroy your country and replace your people
+--- 57908146
+>>57900820 (OP)
+Short of a short-lived fascist revival I don't see how it's possible. Germany is the most mainland europe of the mainland europeans. The only thing a German hates more than his country is himself.
+--- 57908784
+>>57906531
+Soviets? Wtf are you talking about
+--- 57910190
+>>57901122
+i.e., they got dismantled for being patriots
+--- 57910462
+>>57900820 (OP)
+realize its not the cold war anymore.
+You are now like the netherlands in the cold war. basically you got a buffer zone between yourself and ivan. Don't waste your money and remake the BW into what it was before 89.
+--- 57912046
+>>57903976
+The hell is the Blue White Blue with the red white red hanging off it supposed to be? 
+The color scheme only really fits Argentina.... wiith red white red being Canada but that doesn't make much sense, also whats the red blue white behind Russia supposed to be?
+--- 57912051
+you dissolve it and the german state entirely.
+--- 57914501
+>>57912051
+based
+--- 57914513
+>>57906773
+How are Germans so retarded about nuclear power when France is literally next door? It’s incredible. Was it an actual Gasprom psyop?
+--- 57914536
+>>57914513
+You see anon, France bad.
+--- 57914545
+>>57900820 (OP)
+As a german I say follow the money. 
+
+The BW's budget hasn't even been that bad over the last few years but the results were awful. 
+I got a strong hunch the money was funneled into other governmental bullcrap such as supporting our new "guests". 
+My opinion is that there were and are real shady backroom deals between several governmental agencies where money is transfered in a way much different from the annual budget plans and invisible to the populace. 
+Like
+>Officially the BW is to receive 340 billions in FY 2022
+>In reality 80% of the money gets funneled away from defense.
+--- 57914634
+>>57912046
+dunno the first one but the little kid is serbia
+--- 57914747
+>>57900992
+Holy shit anon, they literally spell it out for you in the first episode, that the series is about what the cost of lies are (ie communism) not ‘muh nuclear power bad’
+--- 57914815
+>>57900861
+Anon, the ''''patriots'''' you admire were reaching out to the Russian government for assistance (which they may or may not have received) and received funding from Russian individuals. They were committing treason in every sense of the word.
+
+https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/dec/07/german-police-raids-target-far-right-reich-citizens-movement
+--- 57914840
+>>57906553
+>>57908784
+To explain: The KSK was already notorious for rampant right-wing sentiment within its ranks, but during the investigation of the 2022 German coup d'etat plot it was found that several former members were heavily involved, with one Lieutenant Colonel being a ringleader. And given that there are some very suspicious links between the plotters and Russian individuals (if not the Russian government itself), accusations of treason are definitely well-founded.
+--- 57914876
+>>57908068
+Which brings us to the main question; if a system is safe in theory but can catastrophically fail with neglect in practice, is it really safe if you can never regulate the human element?
+--- 57915209
+>>57914513
+Nah, the problem is that some vapid cunt wrote an anti-nuclear propaganda book only a few months after Chernobyl went pop, and somehow that book got on the required reading list for German education. So every single German kid since like, the late 80s, comes out the educational pipeline already propagandized against nuclear energy.
+--- 57915237
+>>57915209
+Lol no, every state has their own reading list. Also the organized anti nuclear power movement existed in Germany since the 70s
+--- 57915260
+>>57900861
+>swear oath to serve the democratic government
+>betray democratic government
+>job stolen
+Woooooooow!
+--- 57915279
+>>57914876
+Anon chemical refineries are more dangerous long term. Petrochemicals are also vulnerable to causing massive damage with neglect. Irresponsible disposal of solar panels is a major pollutant.
+Ultimately arguments against nuclear come down to
+>someone told me it was super scary and dangerous so it must be
+--- 57915295
+>>57914513
+>Was it an actual Gasprom psyop?
+Yes, but Germany was also fertile ground for it.
+You might not see this on the news, but Germany has a lot of deep-rooted problems.
+>historical guilt
+>rampant luddism
+>which leads to massive issues for all digital services and innovation as well as their distrust of genetics and nuclear power and lead to VW almost becoming uncompetitive until they got several wake up calls in a row
+>deep-seated subtle chauvinism that undermines their economy as much as it props it up
+>organized crime run by Stasi remnants infiltrating every layer of society
+>utter complacency about their economy that is comparable only to the likes of France, USA and Russia
+>an obsession with labor rights and regulations that combines with the above to make German labor some of the most unpleasant and uncompetitive on the continent; we're not talking about healthy "I won't do illegal things or let myself get pushed around" behavior, we're talking "I will close at exactly 18-00, despite knowing that truckers got caught in traffic and it's Friday. I don't care that this move will fuck the company, fuck the truckers, fuck our clients and fuck over 20 towns down the supply chain, I'm not staying a second too long on the job."
+--- 57915322
+>>57914545
+You can't undo 25 years of neglect with just several years of merely adequate budget. You need about a decade of fixing both the armed forces and the educational system and the rest of the economy.

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@@ -136,3 +136,787 @@ colonizer hands in narva typed this
 >>57900928 (OP)
 >What exactly is Ukraine's best course of action here?
 nice try Putin but people here know what opsec is
+--- 57903666
+>>57903548
+>Why would you fight in this meaningless war?
+To kill more ruzzians of course!
+--- 57903667
+>>57903577
+They need to control a land bridge to Crimea to hold it. If they lose that and the kerch strait bridge is taken down it's only a matter of time before any forces defending Crimea are under supplied and either have to pull out or be destroyed
+--- 57903704
+>>57901007
+>>peace treaty
+Not possible until Russia withdraws from all territories annexed by fake referenda after military occupation or you drag the globe back to 1933. Russia should have considered that.
+>>57901007
+>>east/west ukraine
+Not Happening
+>>57901007
+>>cold war 2: back in the habit
+Russians and their deluded supporters like you are either too stupid or too badly educated to realise that RUSSIA IS NOT the USSR and the USSR was not very good to begin with. The USSR collapsed not because of the evil west but because it was an economical and social basket case that had continual shortages, mass murders, dictators like stalin and a dystopian passion for banning books. Russia is not the USSR though see Ukaine, Latvia, Estonia, Lihuania and there is no warsaw pact, Poland, Hungary the Czechs East germans etc never want to be under Russian rule again. Russia has had all its smartest and best flee under Putin leaving behind the retards, 1/3 of its population are semi illiterate pensioners who keep pictures of 'father stalin' on their walls. The place is a crumbling mass of hundreds of cities and towns created in the middle of nowhere because of a factory. A billion meters squared of crumbling concrete built out of stupidity and terror of a dictator who could kill you and your entire extended family with a frown. The place is fucked. Cold war with who? the Weest? Little rotting failed state Russia in a cold war with the USA/EU/NATO/G7 the greatest economic, military, technological, cultural and diplomatic power the world has ever known? This is why you cunts are so deluded you Don;t even realise why people read your bullshit and thing you are completely insane. Hint. (you) are. Ukraine does not have to make peace it has powerful friends and is in the right, the vast majority of nations in the world agree on that. 40 Nations are helping Ukraine militarily openly (there are only 31 in NATO) more are doing it quietly.
+--- 57903710
+>>57900928 (OP)
+Cut down into Melitopol and cut off Crimean landbridge. Vatniks in Kherson will then be fucked and forced to retreat to Crimea, where they'll be entirely reliant in the damaged bridge and figure out whether to commit and more resources in to try ans hold on to Crimea, or abandon it and try to save their troops and see how many of them they can move over the bridge or pick up by boat.
+
+Alternately, find some weakspot in Donbass where the constant flailing at Bakhmut might have weakened the forces defending it. I'm curious to see how effective Russian defence in depth is.
+--- 57903812
+>>57900928 (OP)
+Look for the most undermanned, insolated point have the mechanized assault brigades hit it with the fury of a thousand suns, then broad the gap with your second echelon troops and push your reserve units through it for the juicy, soft Russian rear echelon. Do this on more than one site at once and watch how fast the vatnik maginot line crumbles and routs,
+
+We invented defense in deep one hundred years ago for a reason.
+--- 57903838
+>>57900928 (OP)
+Going for Berdyansk to cut the landbridge, then left towards Melitopol (which could then be threatened from two directions). Perhaps scaring the Russians into reinforcing Mariupol.
+And if they can find the men for it (and the Russian lines are weakened), try to do something near Svatove to really fuck up the Russian logistics in Luhansk oblast (important railways in that area).
+--- 57903869
+>>57903577
+>He’s much more concerned for Crimea in order to secure the Black Sea gas field.
+If the Kremlin cared about gas then why did they launch this war? It would take decades to bring back the gas production already lost, far greater than anything they could gain in Ukraine, and sell to who? What you're talking about is retarded.
+--- 57903953
+>>57900928 (OP)
+break through somewhere between zaphorizia and donetsk and cut the land bridge
+the alternative would be to cross the dnipr at kherson and cut crimea off, then move east.
+at some point the russian bridge on the azov sea will get blown up to starve crimea out.
+whichever way they go, cutting off the land bridge would be the main objective.
+--- 57903963
+Dude, I just want Azov to go back to Mariupol, will be the biggest kino of this war
+--- 57903966
+>>57901120
+Because that would be attacking in exactly the way the Russian military expects you to and is disposed to prevent.
+--- 57903982
+While some fascists may have claimed to support political progress, their actions and beliefs often contradicted this claim. Fascism is inherently reactionary in its rejection of liberal democracy and individualism, which are key components of political progress. Fascists sought to establish a strong, centralized state that would impose its will on the population, which is antithetical to the principles of democracy and individual rights. Additionally, many fascist regimes actively worked to suppress or reverse social and political progress that had been made in their countries prior to their rise to power. Overall, while fascists may have paid lip service to the idea of progress, their actions and beliefs were fundamentally opposed to it.
+--- 57903987
+There seems to be a notable defense gap in temporary occupied Bryansk.
+--- 57904028
+>>57900928 (OP)
+They will not go through those defense lines but do a counterattack around Bakhmut to encircle attacking Russian forces. They are betting on political instability and Russian infighting to finish off the invasion, and since they invested so heavily into Bakhmut, it would be a good and safe way to ferment that.
+--- 57904063
+>>57900928 (OP)
+>course of action 
+after the march 9 attack in lviv i doubt we will gonna see anything serious from ukraine 
+serious=an actual counter offensive in multiple big sides
+--- 57904283
+>>57900928 (OP)
+Completely fuck over everyone's expectations and mass all your armored and motorized reserves for an offensive along the Kursk-Voronezh road, bypassing must of Russia's prepared defenses and threatening Moscow directly thus forcing the Russian to give up their positions and withdraw to new defensive lines.
+--- 57904351
+>>57900928 (OP)
+I'd take Rostov bypassing the city but destroying anything and everything on the way there and every bridge and rail line on the way back. After sitting in Ukraine laughing while refuelling and rearming I would turn on the quivering mobiks in Russian territory who had just lost their entire logistic train and tear straight down the coast from Rostov to Crimea all the way to Kherson. Then a little sleepy and go on another grand tour. None of this staic defensive line bullshit, use those highly mobile upgraded experienced and effective forces like a giant barbed wire whip just marauding the fuck out of Russia. 
+Where would I attack? Where ever is weakest. This is how Rommel conquered France
+--- 57904394
+>>57904351
+>how Rommel conquered France
+ In a single day, his division drove 240km, with Rommel leading in his command tank.
+--- 57904415
+>>57904394
+
+Pervitin was a thing back then
+--- 57904418
+>>57904394
+>>57904351
+While this may sound stupid to some of you, Rostov is only 300KM from Donetsk. Such an expedition is entirely within the capabilities of the equipment and men. The logistical effect on Russian forces in Ukraine and psychological effect on Russia would be devastating. It is at most a five day Operation from a breakout point to Rostov laying mayhem and the return while eliminating every rail and road bridge etc. The refit is a week, then another punch through and down the coast through to Kherson.
+--- 57904430
+>>57900928 (OP)
+>What exactly is Ukraine's best course of action here?
+Take over Belgorod and then continue towards Moscow.
+--- 57904431
+>>57904415
+Still is in Czechia, sure they can donate.
+--- 57904440
+>>57903548
+B8
+>>57904415
+So use it (amphetamine). The Ukrainian soldat at will have a wonderful time. The German problem was they developed dependence. 
+>>57901041
+Your weak stupid nation 'russia' deserves to cease to exist.
+--- 57904459
+>>57904440>>57904418
+>>57904415
+>>57904394
+>>57904351
+
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wssFOFrXqNs [Embed]
+
+THEY'RE BACK
+--- 57904473
+>>57903645
+you can, but slowly, and at a great expense. Warsaw has a subway line underneath the vistula river, and it was dug through shitty dirt-like terrain. It just took multiple years to accomplish. From what I remember the diggers had to use liquid nitrogen to freeze the soil enough for a drill to go through and put concrete around it. I don't remember details but it was a bitch and a half, but can be done even in the worst of conditions.
+--- 57904478
+>>57903645
+not with that attitude
+--- 57904484
+OPUS MAGNUM VOCAT VOS
+STELLAE SIGNA SUNT IN CAEIO
+ET LIBERTAS POPULORUM
+--- 57904494
+>>57904440
+>The Ukrainian soldat at will have a wonderful time.
+--- 57904511
+>>57901701
+>she
+--- 57904523
+Kaliningrad, through Poland
+--- 57904531
+>>57903563
+--- 57904536
+Simple as
+--- 57904540
+Total zigger death
+--- 57904569
+>>57903645
+Egyptians dug under the Nile many times to make their subway system. If sand niggers can manage it, slavs can too
+--- 57904786
+armchair gneeral, but I don't know why they would'nt thunder run that North/South road that's about in the middle of Melitopol/Mariupol. The goal of the operation has to be to make continued occupation of the south untenable, and that can only be done by completely severing supply.
+
+rather than go and do some urban combat where vatniks would use ukr civvies as shields, go through the lesser populated area until you hit berdyansk. The russians know mariupol is too significant politically to lose, so they'll garrison that side, so just get enough take enough territory to keep your supply out of fire control. Then start building defenses will HIMARSing the Kerch bridge until it collapes
+--- 57904807
+>>57900928 (OP)
+Most hilarious would be armored thrusts that envelop the forces attacking Bakhmut.
+--- 57904877
+>>57904786
+>HIMARSing the Kerch bridge until it collapes
+Sadly with the current ammo types available to UAF this is only possibly from within Crimea.
+--- 57904890
+>>57904786
+>>57904877
+Please petition your government to give ATACMS
+--- 57905409
+>>57903963
+For trial, maybe
+--- 57905437
+>>57905409
+so uh, did you not hear about the fact that all the Azov guys were returned via prisoner swap and even given Iphones?
+--- 57905697
+A feint attack on Belgorod, followed by probing attacks up and down the line and then exploitation of any breakthroughs using reserve elements. If Russia thought this was going onto their territory they'd freak out and pull units from everywhere else to try to stop it.
+--- 57905756
+>>57900928 (OP)
+Surrender, stop letting conscripts die for nothing.
+--- 57905771
+>>57903869
+No one ever accussed Russia ofnhaving good long term planning.
+--- 57905808
+>>57905791
+I don't have any of those things anon. Please don't go murdering random innocents out of some misguided anger over a lost cause on the internet!
+--- 57905818
+>>57905808
+It's an analogy, I'm not Russian so rape and kidnapping aren't really something I enjoy.
+--- 57905859
+>>57905818
+I don't get it, maybe rework your analogy so it is understandable?
+--- 57905881
+>>57904028
+Agreed.
+--- 57905906
+>>57900928 (OP)
+
+What about this?
+--- 57905947
+>>57900961
+Yes like the eternally Russian city of Kherson
+--- 57905948
+>>57905859
+Russia invades Ukraine, raping women and kidnapping children en masse. Ukraine fights back to try to prevent this, and manages to keep most of the country safe while fighting to liberate those areas currently occupied.
+>conscripts are dying for nothing
+Retard.
+--- 57905957
+>>57900928 (OP)
+attacking north and breaking the line north. force russia to reform lines back in the OG border. take the major roads supplying donetsk and take the city.
+if they somehow defend all this it will force russians to troops from mariupol melitopol area and donetsk north, which is thd original goal anyways, in which case you switch to an offensive south to mariupol and melitopol and cut supplies to crimea and everything south of kherson. You bomb the crimea bridge and now that entire area falls by itself.
+--- 57905987
+>>57903667
+They’ll slowly starve to death. There’s no need to go in there and destroy them
+
+>>57903869
+Putin thought he had the Germans permanently on his side, but they grew a spine for the first time in decades and told him to fuck off. Now he’ll be stuck selling cheap gas to India and China for decades to come
+--- 57906017
+>>57901105
+1 use krokodil
+2 get aids
+--- 57906042
+>>57905957
+this is what i've been thinking about as well. people keep writing off the importance of donetsk and luhansk but those places have become extremely symbolic of russias bullshit since 2014 for the ukrainians.
+ 
+i'm pretty sure the ukrainian soldiers in particular would love to raise their flag over the airport.
+--- 57906053
+>>57905906
+aint this area just a bunch of useless swamps and also a huge pocket?
+--- 57906060
+>>57901701
+she can sit on my face and dump air aids down my throat
+--- 57906071
+>have NATO announce that the training of Ukrainian pilots of the F-16 are complete and that F-16s have already been delivered.
+>Begin hammering positions in the north with JDAMs and MLRS and make probing attack with some new armor.
+>Wait for Russia to panic shift up north.
+>Send the real attack in pincers around Bakhmut encircling a large part of Russia's combat power as they are off balance and trying to shift resources. 
+>Push south and cut Russia in half, bomb the Crimea bridge.
+>Rest and dig in, Russia will now have to pull out of the South leaving only Donbas and Crimea to deal with.
+--- 57906164
+>>57903838
+Russian defences are impenetrable. It is an undisputed fact Hohols have thrown hundreds of thousands of bodies at Russia with 0 success, in stark contrast Russia has even gained territory in some places.
+
+This will go down in history as one of the most striking defensives. I predict that by 2025 NATO will be a broken shell of its former self. We are at a tipping point where western decline is increasingly evident and gradually replaced with multipolarity in international relations Russia might soon find itself on the offensive.
+--- 57906200
+>>57906164
+--- 57906303
+>>57900928 (OP)
+
+Taking into account Ukraine's past methods, my guess would be to exploit that little hole in the Zaporizhnia line to rush to Bilmak. If this proves successful, launch several other pressure attacks at the Melitopol, Kremina and most importantly, the Troitske direction to prevent a quick correction of troop placement. Then just use this momentum to push down to Berdiansk, and then try to push the Russians behind the rivers that run to the sides of this plain.
+
+Once Russia really ratches up the pressure, go full fuckforce on Troitske. Then take a month or 2 to consolidate your gains.
+
+Results:
+
+>No significant moral or propaganda victory
+>No reclaiming of "propaganda cities" like Severodonetsk
+>Complete severing of the Crimea landbridge
+>Putting the Crimean bridge and the azov sea in range of a significant portion of Ukraine's missile arsenal.
+>Get natural defences to recuperate.
+>Sever the primary logistic artery supplying Svatove, Kremina and Severodonetsk. Because half of fucking Luhansk is supplied using the Troitske train line.
+
+
+Then just go Kherson 2.0 and sit on your ass for a few months while the poor fuckers stuck in Russian occupied Kherson start calling up their grandpa for good recipes using shoe soles, because there is no way in fucking hell you are keeping the entire region supplied using just the supplies that their black sea ports can provide.
+
+And then just wait. Wait for Russia to either have to give ground in Kherson or just route their asses, and then push into Luhansk from the north and go for Starobilsk.
+
+Just ignore Russian efforts to push into the Avdika defensive line and Donbas military district; they are defensive cities and if Russia wants to break their hands on them, fucking let them.
+--- 57906771
+>>57901664
+>mfw you made me remember the Kherson counter offensive
+--- 57907078
+>>57903966
+>and is disposed to prevent.
+
+How? They knew Ukrainians were going to push them out of Kherson and the best they could do was to just get the fuck out before they were overrun and destroyed.
+
+There's a 150km section of the front in the South thay's basically like that, except there's even less operational depth and the body of water behind the Russians' backs is a fucking sea, not a river.
+
+People don't understand how fucked the Russians are right now, and this thing hasn't even started yet. Imagine that shallow land bridge after a few 30-50km advances have been made. How are you even going to supply the defenders with artillery ammunition.
+--- 57907144
+Here you go.
+--- 57908375
+>>57900928 (OP)
+extradite Jewlinsky to a Russian Gulag with a wooden door.
+--- 57908626
+>>57900928 (OP)
+>>57904536
+Same thought. Just go north, avoid the defensive lines, and push for Moscow. If Russia wants to use nukes they'd have to nuke their own territory. Ignore the donbas small dick territory gain, how about a Russia-sized big dick gain.
+--- 57908672
+>>57900928 (OP)
+Force their logistics to take the looooooooong way around.
+--- 57908789
+>>57904536
+based Su-27
+--- 57908800
+lines or no lines, it will just come down to the firepower behind. the construction is not impressive, nor deep
+--- 57908814
+>>57900928 (OP)
+Belarus, open a new flank and threaten Kaliningrad.
+--- 57908819
+Operation rolling pig, fake retreat then swing around.
+--- 57908829
+>>57900928 (OP)
+Push into Kursk and force them to redeploy and/or strain their resources even more.
+--- 57908870
+>>57900928 (OP)
+Surrender, obviously.
+--- 57908919
+>>57903704
+>treaty
+>Not possible
+Does the west have enough equipment to push through 200km to donetsk oblast border? It isnt early '22 with 100km long convoys.
+It seems the war will end the same way as landgrab from 2014 (unless pussia implodes in two more weeks)
+--- 57909420
+>>57901366
+Ah yes, Operation "Siberian Anal", it never fails*
+--- 57909496
+>>57903704
+>until Russia withdraws from all territories annexed by fake referenda after military occupation or you drag the globe back to 1933
+So, right after kicking you and your comrades back to the original Israel border?
+--- 57909586
+>>57901041
+>new russian JDAMs
+
+LMAO, glonass is garbage.
+LMAO, he actually thinks russian "JDAMs" are good against mobile targets.
+--- 57909650
+>>57901664
+Reverse cargo cult cope. Ukraine recaptured like 12,000 km in the Kharkiv counteroffensive in a few days. But tbf they actually used like a whole grand strategy and stuff that was more complicated than just having waves of mobiks attack the same city for 8 months.
+--- 57909738
+The right move is to surrender to Russia at this point. I don't think Ukraine can win.
+--- 57910073
+>>57901366
+The Hannibal Plan
+--- 57910095
+>>57903563
+I think they'll get bogged down roughly over here
+Just a feeling I have
+--- 57910123
+>>57910095
+Chestnut bilgliri?
+--- 57910161
+>>57901366
+Wouldn't work, the chinks would snitch on the southern flank and the frogs on the northern flank.
+--- 57910167
+>>57901038
+They aren't going to cross the Dnieper in any force unless they can completely destroy Russia's artillery first, which is almost impossible without air control.
+--- 57910168
+>>57901105
+What's the tat on her wrist? Is it in honor of the teeth she has left?
+--- 57910184
+>>57910168
+>her
+>she
+--- 57910312
+>>57900928 (OP)
+>Attack the lines that have been built up since 2014
+
+They can swoop around and nobody would expect them to go that far which is why it will work.
+--- 57910344
+>>57910312
+Why do you retards keep thinking they're gonna cross the Russian border? Zelensky couldn't sell this as a defensive war, then
+--- 57910375
+>>57901105
+i would finish this war myself for her
+--- 57910385
+>>57910344
+They think Crimea is Ukrainian. It really should be an independent state for the Tatars.
+--- 57910392
+>>57910344
+And who the fuck is to stop them when they already have all the NATO equipment? The wrath of Zelensky ends when he says it does.
+--- 57910469
+>>57909738
+The funny thing is Russia already "lost". Anything Russia can possibly gain out of continued efforts in this war has come at a cost so great it's incomprehensible. Every day this war continues is another complete disaster regardless of how many Ukrainians Putin decides to murder.
+
+Best case scenario (for Russia)Ukraine runs out of manpower and Russia deals with an eternity of insurgency.
+--- 57910502
+>>57910469
+I think Russia will only take the areas with ethnic Russians.
+--- 57910570
+>>57910469>>57908919
+>>57909496
+
+Russia has indeed already lost this war and there is no turning it around.
+--- 57910586
+>>57910502
+>I think Russia will only take the areas with ethnic Russians.
+You fucking retard. Seriously. The average IQ in Russia must have dropped 30 points over the last 30 years. Russia is keeping nothing it took in 2014. Sniff reality.
+--- 57910599
+>>57910586
+You really think Russia will lose? Why?
+--- 57910604
+>>57900928 (OP)
+
+they should start marauding around belgorod and kursk. collapse the entire northern defense. raise UKR flag over Russian towns.
+--- 57910625
+>>57910604
+UNLEASH THE HUNGARIANS.
+--- 57910657
+>>57910599
+Pattern recognition
+--- 57910669
+>>57910599
+Because Russia went all in on this war and can't even capture Bahkmut. At no point in time has Russia displayed any level of competence let alone intelligence during this war.
+
+Now in the coming months Russia will be facing the harsh reality of fighting NATO tech with fucking T-55s.
+
+This Ukrainian offensive is going to be a slaughter; land bridge to Crimea will be cut and the kerch bridge will be HIMARS food by the end of 2024.
+--- 57910690
+>>57910599
+Why would you think Russia would win? 
+
+Why do you think Russia didn’t win in Afghanistan? Why didn’t the us win in Vietnam or Afghanistan? 
+What is Russia doing differently and better this time around, than what Russia or the US did in Afghanistan? 
+
+What to you are some key critical requirements throughout history that are needed for a successful invasion, occupation, and annexation? And which of those would you say Russia has met, and which does currently still need to meet? And on what timeline will they be met?
+--- 57910692
+>>57910669
+You think it will go on for that long? I wonder how much more Ukraine can lose manpower-wise.
+--- 57910705
+>>57910690
+I am not saying Russia will. I am not seeing how Ukraine wins if they keep saying their manpower is so low. I am also no seeing how Russia wins. It feels like WW1.
+--- 57910713
+>>57910599
+Now will loos. Has lost. Russia HAS lost this war. There is no possibility of it winning this war on any terms that including retaining any territory taken in 2014 or even keeping Putin and every day that passes more of the Russian military and economy gets erased. There is no possibility of Russian victory. Russia has lost all its professional and trained ground forces, all its modernised APCs/IVFs/MBTs as well as catastrophic losses of equipment and personnel reserves. Russia is undergoing logistical collapse and is the most sanctioned nation in history. Have you been living under a rock for the last year? Do you really not understand that Russia has lost this war, again not will loose but has already lost. The scale of the final defeat just grows daily at this point. The catastrophic state of Russian logistics, the extended front lines, the low quality troops, the vehicle shortages, the desperate antics of wagner, the utter futility of the Russian position diplomatically, economically and militarily.....Even nuclear weapons won;t change Russian loosing this war. Nothing can. It is done. If Russia does not withdraw it will soon loose the ability to do so in any organised manner.
+--- 57910716
+>>57910705
+>It feels like WW1
+So Ukraine wins and Russia gets demilitarized, neat
+>muh no winners waaaaaaaah
+--- 57910729
+>>57910713
+>t-they lost already!
+>while occupying 20% of the enemy's territory
+--- 57910741
+>>57908672
+Russia was boating supplies to crimea when the bridge was hit.
+--- 57910746
+>>57903963
+Yeah I'm pretty hyped for it.
+--- 57910750
+>>57910729
+But hey, he posted the official Kyiv propaganda numbers, thats a sure sign of Ukraine winning!
+--- 57910754
+>>57910729
+it's already over for Ukraine as a country.
+--- 57910762
+>>57910312
+No roads to go south, they would have to take belgorod and Voronezh and by then Putin would honestly probably launch nukes.
+--- 57910766
+>>57910729
+Fair point, all it costed Russia was their entire military.
+--- 57910776
+>>57910729
+Yes that’s a definite loss m8. 
+>War goal for was 100%. 
+>A year later they are at 20%. 
+> They were at 40% 8 months ago. 
+>This is winning
+--- 57910784
+>>57910729
+Is Ukraine actually the enemy of Russia though?
+--- 57910785
+>>57910750
+>>57910729
+You do realise you stopped even sounding remotely sane months ago and just like some German in Berlin with a loudhailer screaming about how there are still German troops in Hungary in 1945? You vatniggers just sound fucking crazy to anyone who spends any time looking at war. Russia is done. Game Over. Russia has lost this war. Do you understand Y/N
+--- 57910799
+>>57910716
+LOLOL
+
+>>57910713
+I'm not seeing it. You keep making these claims, but it seems like Russia isn't going anywhere. 
+
+>>57910729
+>>57910729
+Isn't the goal to just get the regions they want and call it a day?
+--- 57910833
+>>57910785
+> ", he frantically slapped into his keyboard, while overdosing on his own supply.
+--- 57910836
+>>57910785
+>just like some German in Berlin with a loudhailer screaming
+Thats a good thinking actually! Ukraine vs Russia atm is roughly the same ratio of troops as Germany had vs Allies. And Zelensky is running around shouting magical words "we gonna win them soon by magical offensive!" just as Hitler was. Kek.
+--- 57910837
+>>57910570
+nice fake numbers vatnik. It's actually 350k KIA and 500,000 wounded.
+--- 57910846
+>>57910799
+No, Russia's goal was to conquer every country between them and the Atlantic, which means pootin lost.
+--- 57910867
+>>57901366
+time is a flat circle
+--- 57910884
+>>57910705
+Bro how the fuck does any defending army win? How did the Vietnamese win? How did the Taliban win? 
+
+All Ukraine has to do to win is continue to exist and wait for Russia to collapse on itself. Like what don’t you get here? It’s essentially impossible and has been for the bast century to just invade another country and “win” in the long run. Everyone that doesn’t like you will just keep helping the people you’re fighting until you run out of political will or economic and military ability to continue. 
+
+Like if saddam’s army was still alive in summer of 2004 and saddam was still shitposting from his palace a year into the invasion of iraq while the US struggled to controlled 20% of the country near the Kuwaiti border and had lost hundreds of thousands of men and most their modern equipment and saddam’s fully westernized army was about to launch a counterattack, would you also say “I can’t see how Iraq can win?” 
+
+Like how can you not?
+--- 57910917
+>>57910799
+>I'm not seeing it. You keep making these claims, but it seems like Russia isn't going anywhere.
+OK let's try this. Before this invasion and war, Russia has about 280,000 in its ground forces. Do you understand? It sent 190,000 of them including all the best equipment and all the professional soldiers on contract into Ukraine. Do you understand? However Russia only made marginal gains and all of them are dead, wounded and all their equipment is gone. Due to this Russia has had to mobilise 439,000 reservists (possibly more). Many of them are now also dead as are most of the criminals and desperate who joined wagner. This is not a matter of any doubt. Russia is down to deploying MBTs that are 70 years old. Do you understand? 40+ nations are supporting Ukraine militarily (there are only 31 nations in NATO) do you understand? The economy of Russia is smaller than that of Italy. Ukraine has the economic and diplomatic support of the USA, EU and G7. Do you understand? Russia has lost most of its gas and oil sales to Europe and is now the most sanctioned nation in history. It cannot even buy car parts, electric motors, modern electronics. Do you understand? I mean what level of complete delusion do you have to be operating on to not realise that Russia has lost this war. There is no suffering it out or slogging it out or persevering it out. Russia has lost. Russia right now should be withdrawing everything it can while it can. If it does not Russia may well end with war with near 100% losses of all men and equipment in theatre (including Crimea)
+--- 57910932
+>>57910836
+What are you going to do the day that Ukraine occupies Crimea? I'm genuinely curious.
+--- 57910960
+Easy
+--- 57911003
+>>57900928 (OP)
+Mariupol and then cut around it to berdiansk
+--- 57911020
+>>57910917
+>It sent 190,000 of them including all the best equipment and all the professional soldiers on contract into Ukraine.
+They sent convicts that they were half hoping would get killed any way, and still took over a fourth of the country.
+--- 57911040
+>>57910884
+Ukraine is not like the Taliban. You're waffling between comparing them to an insurgency then saying their a modern, western force. How do you see Ukraine winning? With what numbers? The Russians to be pushed back will need to be killed at an amazing rate. 
+
+>>57910917
+I don't see how Russia is like North Korea if China and India still trade. I also hear that they're selling gas to Europe still through Turkey and other middle men in ports in the Med. I don't think that the EU thinks Ukraine will win.
+--- 57911085
+>>57901664
+don't memoryhole Izyum Ivan, self-facing vranyo like this is why your army sucks
+--- 57911102
+>>57911020
+So...you think the invasion force of 190,000 that was supposed to be mostly contract (professional) Russian ground forces were convicts? OK then. They are all dead or maimed. Gone forever with their equipment. Their deaths laughed at in 1000s of webms as they were roasted, drowned, shot and blasted. As were their reinforcements the wagner recruits and the 300K mobik meat wave. Rusis has lost this war. I very much hope you are real and not just b8ing because the idea that someone as deluded as you exists in the turd world or in Russia who actually does not understand that Russia has already utterly lost this war delights me. War does not survive on lies or denying reality, War is real and every single day you have to watch as everything you believe and Rusisans have been told turns out to have been a complete lie.
+--- 57911111
+>>57910754
+Actually it's over to Russia
+
+Source: un.org
+--- 57911128
+>>57901038
+Nah they won't be crossing river. They attack from other side of the river while attacking with artillery and rockets over the river.
+Russia can't cross the river either which means artillery is safe but russians near the coast are dead meat
+--- 57911164
+>>57911040
+>>57911040
+>I don't think that the EU thinks Ukraine will win.
+What you think is utterly fucking worthless then. really everything you think is am complete waste of space. You are complete divorced from reality. There is no future tense. Russia has lost this war now. All we are watching is no large and catastrophic the scale of Russia's defeat is. Shaping up to be one for the history books. (You) and everything you 'think' are fucking pointless. I don;t even give a shit about convincing you. I'm genuinely thrilled that someone as stupid as you exists.
+--- 57911190
+>>57911164
+I don't see Russia winning, I just don't see them losing, either. I think that it's a stalemate unless more troops from the west want to take part. I think that Russia might be able to bleed Ukraine white. Sad fate; sad war.
+--- 57911501
+>>57900928 (OP)
+>fortify heavily on west bank of main river
+>invade Moldova, annex
+>sell Moldova province + adjascent coastline to Romania
+>sell westmost bit to Hungary
+>use moneys to launch invasion with no declaration of [spoiler] Hawaii [/spoiler]
+>NATO can't do shit because it's below the tropic of cancer
+>Use it as a base to invade and conquer Australia and New Zealand, with other british island territories (unprotected since UK left EU)
+>Give Aussies their guns back
+>Give NZ guns too
+>Draft them
+>Declare war on PRC
+>illegally invade Taiwan and use it as a military base to launch missiles
+>cede Taiwan to China
+>invade istanbul
+>cede NZ and Australia to USA
+>cede Istanbul to Putin in exchange for crimea and all territories lost
+>keep Hawaii
+
+Of course, Zelenski is far too incompetent to do this, so it will never happen, but, I wish..
+--- 57911526
+>>57911190
+>I don't see Russia winning, I just don't see them losing, either. I think that it's a stalemate unless more troops from the west want to take part. I think that Russia might be able to bleed Ukraine white. Sad fate; sad war.
+>>57911501
+>Of course, Zelenski is far too incompetent
+--- 57911626
+>>57901038
+I still refuse to believe the ukraines haven't gotten HIMARS missiles capable of taking down the Ukraine bridge.
+--- 57911663
+>>57900928 (OP)
+>What exactly is Ukraine's best course of action here?
+First, get the Americans to silence the 5th columnists that are gleefully doing the Kermlin's work to break the resolves of their allies by spreading their propaganda on Putin's behalf
+
+They just caught doing it again.
+https://www.mediaite.com/tv/tucker-carlson-duped-by-fake-military-documents-on-ukraine-war-shared-by-russian-propagandist/
+--- 57911670
+>>57911663
+Too lazy to wait for post to get deleted to do a minor grammar collection
+
+>They were just caught doing it again.
+ https://www.mediaite.com/tv/tucker-carlson-duped-by-fake-military-documents-on-ukraine-war-shared-by-russian-propagandist/
+--- 57911705
+>>57911663
+What's going to stop them? Are we supposed to hurt them or something? Should we also "silence" the Ukraine supporters in the media/government who thought Sam Hyde was the Ghost of Kyiv? News anchors report on fake shit because it's their job.
+--- 57911862
+>>57911705
+There's a major difference between reporting fake shit because you're lazy and retarded, and being an active Russian asset.
+--- 57911944
+>>57911862
+Am I supposed to be able to read this?
+--- 57912086
+>>57910344
+>A defensive war means you can't attack back
+Said no one ever. Nobody gave 2 shits about going into Germany in WWII.
+
+>>57910312
+>>57904430
+>>57905697
+>>57910604
+>>57910762
+Valuyki is a more obvious target than Belgorod. More vulnerable, opens up paths back south, smaller civilian population in the area, and there's still a major Russian troop presence. You're just saying Belgorod because it's a name on a map but it hasn't been a good target since Russia got pushed back at Izium.
+--- 57912143
+>>57909650
+>>57911085
+Neither of those were maneuver warfare. They were plain old frontal assaults against defensive lines that were under-prepared
+--- 57912226
+1-10 how likely is it that Ukraine expels Russia entirely from their claimed territory? I say 3
+--- 57912248
+>>57912226
+No way they're getting Crimea back.
+--- 57912286
+>>57912248
+It's not as unlikely as you think of Russia begins to truly fall apart.
+--- 57912290
+>>57912226
+I'm gonna sayyyy..........2. 3 still seems a bit generous. 
+
+>>57912248
+This. It would have to be such a grass roots revolt type thing.
+--- 57912291
+>>57911705
+No, it is not the job of news anchors to shill for Russia. That's just Tucker's job.
+--- 57912299
+>>57910729
+>original goal is to take 100% of the country in 3 days
+>spend over a year taking 20% instead
+--- 57912324
+>>57912291
+Do you think Ukraine will win? What do you see as a victory for them?
+--- 57912341
+>>57912248
+>No way they're getting Crimea back.
+No way they're not. Crimea's problem is resupply. Ukraine will be able to render the bridge and ports unusuable with just a partial incursion once they get that far and Russia trying to saturate the neck of the penninsula with men and material's just gonna turn it into a kill box since by that point Ukraine will outrange them.
+--- 57912360
+>>57912324
+>Do you think Ukraine will win?
+Why wouldn't they? Russia's running out of materiel significantly faster than Ukraine. They'll literally be functionally out of tanks within a few months.
+--- 57912386
+>>57912360
+Ukraine might run out of soldiers. How will they assault, let alone garrison, places they want to retake?
+--- 57912409
+>>57912386
+>let alone garrison
+
+goddamn you lot are thick as fuck
+--- 57912411
+>>57900928 (OP)
+Getting the Russian logisitics hubs around Luhansk into Himars range is the quickest way to end this war.
+--- 57912417
+>>57912341
+Yeah right, come see me at the end.
+--- 57912453
+>>57912409
+Wishful thinking doesn't answer the conundrum.
+--- 57912466
+>>57912143
+Is that what your propaganda told you?
+--- 57912649
+>>57912386
+Both sides will run out of equipment way before they run out of soldiers. In order to run out of soldiers they'd need to have several times more materiel. From a military standpoint, manpower reserves are basically infinite, and trained people only matter in the sense than training them takes time.
+
+If the current trends don't reverse, at some point the Russians would be stuck fighting Ukrainian brigades armed with western weapons and riding western AFVs with nothing but rifles and RPGs, but it's pretty much guaranteed that their morale will collapse way before that.
+--- 57912682
+>>57912649
+When do you think the war will be over? I am hoping this year.
+--- 57912703
+>>57912682
+This or next year. It really depends on how fucked the Russians really are when it comes to logistics and AFV reserves.
+--- 57912750
+>>57901218
+incredibly there are TBMs that could do the job out there, a few were developed for just this sort of work under the Themes River in London if memory serves. Those TBMs drove a 10m wide working around 100m a day.
+--- 57912777
+>>57908626
+yes, actually this makes sense. What COULD russia actually do to stop the Ukrainians thunder running through their territory and shelling Moscow?
+--- 57912844
+>>57911705
+>What's going to stop them? Are we supposed to hurt them or something?
+imprisonment used to be a common sentence for traitors.
+--- 57912968
+>>57912386
+>Ukraine might run out of soldiers.
+Russia's losing men faster, Ukraine's morale is through the roof on account of the whole "they're being attacked" thing, and neither side is losing soldiers at a rate fast enough to overtake their materiel losses in the first place.
+
+>>57912417
+You strike me as someone that thought Russia would hold Kherson.
+--- 57912976
+>>57912417
+does this look familiar to you yet pidor?
+--- 57913133
+>>57912248
+>Putin pulls an Adolf and an heros
+>his final order was launch the nukes
+>no one followed it.
+>cease fires ordered all round
+>what’s left of the corrupt Russian government trades back parts of captured territory and disarms military in order to get sanctions lifted, or to free up their assets so they can sell out and bail on russia
+
+Pretty sure russia will loose it’s taste for all this as soon as Putin goes. 
+And will be tripping over each other to say “actually it was all Vlad’s doing, and they never wanted to, and they were just following orders”
+--- 57913287
+>>57913133
+if putin dies I could see the west letting a lot of the russian MOD go to allow for peace, though some of the higher ups would get thrown under the bus for war crimes (Bucha for example).
+--- 57913296
+>>57913133
+You might want to have a plan B if the flawless strategy of "hope pootin slips on a banana peel and breaks his neck" fails.
+--- 57913318
+>>57912143
+>Maneuver warfare, the use of initiative, originality and the unexpected, combined with a ruthless determination to succeed,[1] seeks to avoid opponents' strengths while exploiting their weaknesses and attacking their critical vulnerabilities and is the conceptual opposite of attrition warfare. Rather than seeking victory by applying superior force and mass to achieve physical destruction, maneuver uses preemption, deception, dislocation, and disruption to destroy the enemy's will and ability to fight.[2]
+
+>Historically, maneuver warfare was stressed by small militaries, more cohesive, better trained, or more technologically advanced than attrition warfare counterparts. The term "tactical maneuver" is used by maneuver warfare theorists to refer to movement by forces to gain "advantageous position relative to the enemy," as opposed to its use in the phrase "maneuver warfare."[3]
+
+>The idea of using rapid movement to keep an enemy off balance is as old as war itself.[4] However, advanced technology, such as the development of cavalry and mechanized vehicles, has led to an increased interest in the concepts of maneuver warfare and in its role on modern battlefields.
+
+Pretty sure using a whole disinformation campaign and tricking the Russians into moving most of the forces to the south and then capturing hundreds of miles a day chasing the collapsing defensive lines in the north counts as maneuver warfare
+--- 57913597
+>>57900928 (OP)
+Bait and retaliate
+--- 57914230
+>>57913318
+It wasn't. Those defensive lines that collapsed were depleted for the siege of Sievierodonetsk and never restored afterward and had fuck all to do with any "disinformation" campaign from Ukraine, which wasn't fucking disinformation cause they literally did capture the south right after the northern campaign. Russia's just spread too thin to do jack shit against concentrated Ukrainian counteroffenses even when they know where they're coming.
+
+I'd love for Ukraine to be playing 5D chess with Russia, but the fact is they're just playing regular chess and Russia set up their side of the board with some checkers and a Monopoly boot.
+--- 57914246
+>>57900928 (OP)
+>What exactly is Ukraine's best course of action here?
+give up lol
+imagine dying for a losing war
+--- 57914266
+>>57900928 (OP)
+>khokhols stand no chance against russian incompetence
+>whole world is gawking at two shitholes having a drunken bar fight over a patch of grass
+let them nuke eachother so the rest of the world can move on. would be nice to live in a place without russia's bullshit but im so fed up with hearing about ukraine it shouldnt exist at this point either. fuck em both, but especially ukraine just in case i haven't pissed off enough trannies and dykes.
+--- 57914291
+I'm not any degree of war expert but last April I was legitimately expecting Russia to destroy Ukraine in a month. And then once it started being dragged on, I worried about nukes. But they've been stuck in a conventional war for over a year.
+
+Is modern war a meme? I may be retarded but I think of laser guided missiles and shit that will obliterate your enemy from 100km away, instead we get basically mid 20th century tactics of artillery supporting foot infantry on the ground. Plus some tiny drones dropping grenades, ooo
+--- 57914304
+>>57914246
+>t.
+--- 57914378
+>>57906771
+>WW1 pace offensive
+--- 57914412
+>>57914304
+lel get b8'd, nerd
+i just won 4chan, take that pwnage faggot
+your replying to me has just validated my entire existed
+feels pretty fucking stupid, doesnt it?
+yeah, you take that L, you take it hard
+>t. the oldest faggot
+also check out the gun in this image, can anyone tell me what it is?
+--- 57914534
+>>57904418
+Risk of Russia chimping out and throwing a nuke at Kyiv.
+
+But in general yeah whatever kills rulogistics.
+--- 57914732
+>>57911626
+>put himars on boat
+>drive boat to within range of bridge
+>fire himars at bridge
+>drive boat home after
+--- 57914748
+>>57905987
+>They’ll slowly starve to death
+crimea is a food exporter. They may not get much food variety but starving wouldn't happen.
+--- 57914781
+>>57903577
+>Remember those things from last year that looked like concrete septic tanks with view ports?
+>implying that prefab bunkers in Russia aren't just concrete septic tanks with view ports
+--- 57914846
+>>57914230
+You’re absolutely talking out of your ass you dumb bitch lmao. They spent over a month doing a whole operation fortitude meme both in the media and in their ground operations winding up for a massive Kherson offensive and forcing Russia to withdraw units from the east and pull them south and take the units that were still recovering from the Kyiv retreat and rush them on a train also to the south. 
+
+It was one of the most “5d chess” strategies conducted by an underdog against an invading army that actually worked in like idk 60 years. Russia got 100% bamboozled on that, it’s going to be studied for centuries, and it was absolutely “5d chess” hybrid warfare and maneuver warfare executed at near-American levels of efficiency.
+--- 57914949
+>>57914748
+Bro it's a fucking rock/desert surrounded by salt water
+
+t. Crimea visiteder
+--- 57915103
+>>57914949
+they harvest 2 million tons of grain a year.
+--- 57915186
+>>57910385
+To be fair, both Russia and Ukraine curtailed Crimean authority when they controlled it
+Letting them do their own thing is the best way forward desu
+--- 57915192
+>>57915186
+Gay cunt autocorrect, meant autonomy not authority (obviously tech oligarchs don’t like that word)
+--- 57915214
+>>57914846
+>forcing Russia to withdraw units from the east and pull them south and take the units that were still recovering from the Kyiv retreat and rush them on a train also to the south.
+Right. But the pulled troops didn't fucking come from the area Ukaine attacked because Russia already did a fucking drawdown there for the fucking Siervierodonetsk offensive and you can't get blood from a stone. This isn't fucking difficult. Russia only has so much fucking manpower and they were desperately shuffling it about the map playing catchup to wherever they were attacking or to respond to wherever Ukraine attacked last until we settled into this phase of the war where both sides have been content to just meat grinder shit while Ukraine builds up forces for their next offensive.
+
+Ukraine didn't bait Russia, they just attacked where Russia HAD ALREADY LEFT A FUCKING OPENING. People were literally talking about Russian troop levels being too fucking low in Kharkiv because Russia abandoned their plans to build up in Lyman and instead started pulling troops out of the region leaving it exposed and Ukraine preparing to do exactly what they did months before they fucking did it.
+
+Ukraine didn't bait Russia. They walked through an open door. Maybe you can argue all the talk about the southern offensive was to keep them from ever directing a reinforcement up north, but the shitshow Kherson was in would have prevented that anyway. Ukraine didn't need to tell Russia Kherson was fucked. Both sides knew it. Which is why it was fucking attacked after Kharkiv. They were sitting ducks cause of the bridges.
+--- 57915288
+>>57900928 (OP)
+Take crimea en passent.
+--- 57915324
+>>57910161
+Offer the chinese northern manchuria back in return for support.

k/57901259.txt

@@ -34,3 +34,74 @@ a big black dildo is all you need
 oh noes
 I wanted to streamline
 now what do I do
+--- 57903845
+>>57901259 (OP)
+Ask your boyfriend to carry some of it in his purse.
+--- 57903850
+>>57901305
+Women
+--- 57903996
+I'm trans btw
+--- 57904047
+>>57901259 (OP)
+I have a similar number of keys because i have several houses and for the work. I keep them in 4 packs so i don't have to carry them all everyday. I just pick the pack i'm going to use.
+--- 57906484
+guys how do i streamline my every day carry?
+--- 57906508
+>>57906484
+>EDCs a stapler
+based
+--- 57906557
+>>57901259 (OP)
+needs more candles
+--- 57906565
+>>57901259 (OP)
+What are those pens in the center?
+--- 57906570
+>>57906484
+you only need one (1) altoids tin
+now it's perfect
+--- 57906574
+>>57901259 (OP)
+If it's been longer than a week since you've used it, you don't need it.
+--- 57906591
+>>57901259 (OP)
+of course it's an HK hipster
+--- 57908383
+>>57901259 (OP)
+Add some more keys. Keep the whole mess in your pocket. Still got room? More keys
+--- 57909598
+>>57901259 (OP)
+Nah looks good to me honestly
+--- 57909813
+>>57901259 (OP)
+Is that like, a dictionary/spell checker in the top right?
+--- 57909823
+>>57901259 (OP)
+Bump keys?
+Without a bump hammer?
+> NGMI
+--- 57909834
+>>57901383
+fpbp
+--- 57911535
+>>57906574
+>leaves behind gun
+--- 57911544
+>>57911535
+>Not going to the range at least once a week.
+--- 57911553
+>>57911544
+Fuck, I'm exposed
+--- 57912413
+>>57903996
+Do you drink Bud Lite?
+--- 57912727
+>>57901259 (OP)
+>10000 bump keys and jigglers or one (1) pickgun
+--- 57913136
+>>57906484
+Ask yourself if you really need all that shit. I would definitely start by losing the bear trap, the books, and the PS3 game.
+--- 57913195
+>>57913136
+t. idiot

k/57901476.txt

@@ -631,3 +631,356 @@ Anon are you actually expecting a conversation here, look at this thread.
 Anon Russia was a superpower and tried this, it nearly destroyed them and they didn’t even succeed
 --- 57903639
 Build, fund and support your own local insurgency. Don't be an asymmetric cuck, fight the enemy in his own terms. It worked for Russlims in the 2nd Chechen war and for murricans in 2001 with the Northern Alliance
+--- 57903857
+>>57901491
+This. Vatnik copes real hard when u remind them that America actually won in Afghanistan and left on our own accord vs vatniggers getting ousted militarily. They don’t have big enough cope for it.
+--- 57903862
+>>57903857
+They rely on quantity of cop vs quality, which is fitting
+--- 57903897
+>>57901476 (OP)
+Like this:
+https://www.unqualified-reservations.org/2008/09/how-to-occupy-and-govern-foreign/
+
+A modern liberal democracy which religiously adheres to absurd conceptions such as 'universal human rights' and who have no taste for the hardline tactics needed to overcome an insurgency (or ideally stamp it out before it has a chance to gain momentum) probably couldn't ever.
+--- 57903940
+>>57903897
+>someone unrionically posting moldbug on twenty fucking twenty three
+Holy shit anon, this is a special type of retarded and I thank you for it. Really takes me back to the dark enlightenment and the OG redpillers and bronies
+
+As to your actual point
+>this faggot doesn’t even know about the Soviet Afghan war or the first or second Chechen wars
+--- 57903959
+>>57903639
+>Build, fund and support your own local insurgency
+>So they can blow up your financial hub in about 20 years
+Can you focus on Ukraine CIA
+--- 57903990
+>>57903857
+Lol. Lmao. 
+https://wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Afghanistan
+--- 57904002
+Al Qaeda was effectively neutralized and the government of Iraq was removed.
+
+Iraq could be considered a political success from a zionist perspective, while Afghanistan would be considered a failed counter-insurgency like Vietnam.
+
+The winning move would have been to not invade Afghanistan for Israel in the first place, but such is the nature of our zionist occupied government and politicians in regards to foreign policy. The military simply obeys the political will of the state, but the state was lacking public support and therefore the political will to see its goals through in the Middle East.
+
+This is why the counter-insurgency failed. Not just lack of political support for the government from the locals, but lack of political support from the American people for what was ultimately a zionist war. Our military deserves better than to be used as a tool of Israel at the cost of American lives.
+
+In many ways, the Middle East insurgencies never really ended. The insurgent Patriot militias of the USA were formed by ME veterans, a seed planted as a consequence of injustice, and a revolutionary reckoning for the lies and betrayals of our military.
+
+A proper revolution, here in the USA. As it once was, a struggle born from an appeal to Heaven, waged in the righteous spirit of holy justice, in defense of the oppressed under tyranny.
+--- 57904007
+>>57903990
+Military victory anon, the only part that matters
+--- 57904012
+>>57903990
+America didn't lose, the old Afghanistani regime did
+--- 57904023
+>>57901639
+Because a couple of million people died because of these fuck heads. Consider ISIS for instance, which is vastly considered a source of pure evil that most people would accept if the international community agreed to kill all of them and their children.
+Now adjust that feeling by a factor 100. Now we're getting close to the order of magnitude of damage and casualties those fuckers directly and indirectly caused.
+
+Just because they were white and knew how to dress doesn't mean you should treat them with anything but indiscriminate, white hot hatred.
+--- 57904025
+>>57904002
+I love scizo posts like this, you gotta genuinely wonder if they wrote it all or if it’s low effort pasta
+--- 57904054
+>>57904025
+Might actually be a bot
+--- 57904074
+>>57904041
+Anon you can make as much up as you want, reality doesn’t change just cuz, it was shit we literally didn’t want to ship back, dumb? Yes, but good luck maintaining it in caves and mud huts. It’s like Africans with modern equipment but slightly less brown
+--- 57904083
+>>57904054
+Honestly it’s getting very hard to tell anymore
+--- 57904153
+>>57902793
+>wasting tax dollars
+redundant verb
+--- 57904168
+>>57904154
+Anon how did they remove us from the country, can you answer that? What was the defining battle?
+--- 57904174
+>>57904154
+>artillery
+>NGV
+Easily the most important things they got
+--- 57904178
+The only real for sure solution in an insurgency is the final one.
+--- 57904179
+>>57904174
+How will they repair it?
+--- 57904203
+>>57904168
+We all saw what happened at Kabul airport, loser.
+--- 57904205
+>>57904203
+Lol
+--- 57904217
+>>57904179
+With parts from alibaba duh
+--- 57904219
+>>57904178
+Seriously, the Jews being in every country and manipulating various markets and even political parties can be seen as an insurgency of sorts.
+They controlled banks, shops, and manipulated political parties by supporting the rise of Bolshevism that lead to the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand, started WWI, and the party rose to more power in various nations in the post war economic collapse, which in part made Hitler so popular in Germany. 
+
+And how do you wage war on a people that have no border, essentially no nation to call their home, and the only thing connecting them is a common race or religion?
+--- 57904222
+>>57904002
+Based schizoposting, 7/10 appeal to heaven was a bit over the top.
+--- 57904230
+>>57901476 (OP)
+Scorched Earth and genocide is really the best way to win against an insurgency.
+
+The USA successfully won against the Native-American insurgents through genocide.
+
+The USA successfully won against the Filipino insurgents through genocide.
+
+China successfully won against the Uyghur insurgents through genocide.
+--- 57904231
+>>57904179
+They probably won’t operate them enough to worry that much about it. Otherwise - buy shit from the house of saud like the good boys they are.
+--- 57904245
+>>57904219
+You don’t, your entire ideology is at its base a failure and for losers who just want to feel better by having an invincible enemy to blame but not do anything about
+--- 57904261
+>>57901476 (OP)
+Pretty simple, you either go post-war Germany/Japan or you go full genocide/slavery/concentration camps. Going inbetween is what breeds insurgency, where you are hard sometimes and lenient others. 
+
+In Germany/Japan they only changed out the very top and the obvious bad guys like SS but kept most army/staff people in their jobs for continued stability or kept them in POW camps. Many west and east german officials were former Nazis, so you had to turn a blind eye to it. Also huge amounts of investments into industry like the Marshall plan. It also helped that there was a "new" enemy in the form of the Cold War. In Iraq this would have worked but I doubt it would in Afghanistan due to the lack of a central government before.
+--- 57904296
+>>57904025
+>>57904222
+
+I'm speaking in complete sincerity from a place of lucidity and sobriety.
+
+>>57904230
+
+>Scorched Earth and genocide is really the best way to win against an insurgency.
+
+Advocating environment destruction and genocide is seen as "common sense" to these people. The same people who carried out the genocide of the Indigenous people. The same people who are worried about insurrection on American soil.
+
+Advocating insurrection is seen as "schizo", despite the USA being founded on a successful insurrection. The Indigenous people are still here, the Uyghurs are still engaged in holy struggle. The federal government of the USA is not stable, that is a political reality, but we have been here for thousands of years and will continue to be here long after. It's not outrageous to suggest that we will outlive and outpiss the federal government.
+
+You guys think it sounds extreme to have an insurrection, let alone a just and righteous insurrection, yet that is exactly how the US military and the USA was created. Perhaps fighting Israel's wars for them is audacious and ridiculous while the US military serving American national interest is plain common sense. If the government thought insurrection in the USA sounded ridiculous, they would not be preparing for one. I really only care for the judgment of God, and I speak the honest truth from the depth of my heart.
+--- 57904324
+>>57904245
+If the events of WWII has taught anybody, it's that they're not invincible. 
+
+They are however hard to get rid of because they're all over the world. 
+It's what the Nazis tried to do nation by nation, but there was too many against them.
+
+Read the Berlin Diary by William L. Shirer, in it he accounts for the rise of Bolshevism in Germany as well as Britain and I believe France as well.
+
+This rise in Germany lead to the Freikorps to strike it down, and later as it rose again in the 30s, gave more support for Hitler once the burning of the Reichstag was blamed on the Bolsheviks.
+--- 57904331
+>>57904324
+>>57904296
+--- 57904334
+>>57904245
+
+As far as 'my ideology', I read into history, and their pursuit of power gave reason to Hitler.
+--- 57904346
+>>57901476 (OP)
+I mean we defeated the insurgency in Iraq. The problem is how long do you want to be there? Unless you kill and/or incarcerate everyone who is against your side, they just have to wait you out. That's what happened in Iraq years after we left and Afghanistan as we were leaving. Vietnam is different, there was no insurgency. The Vietcong were from the North. They were originally from S.Vietnam but commies who when the country split settled in the North. When the civil war heated up they went back to the south to act as insurgents but it was 100% just an offshoot of the NVA.
+--- 57904387
+>>57901476 (OP)
+The Germans figured this out in ww2, send in soldiers to a captured town or village, randomly gather up a few dozen or hundred of them, and ship them off to an internment camp. Anyone that tries to form an insurgency knows that they're putting the lives of their relatives, friends, and neighbour's at risk of execution back at the camps.
+--- 57904391
+>>57904346
+You have to incentivize the general population to support your side and not want anything to do with the other.
+In Vietnam our politicians fucked that up by supporting a guy that gradually lost the support of his own people which gave rise to the Viet Cong.
+
+The South Vietnamese people loved the idea of the US supporting them, and loved the idea of how the US came to be by fighting for their own independence.
+For centuries they'd been occupied and made a colony by various nations and were sick of it, and in the post WWII years the country split into North and South Vietnam.
+--- 57904404
+>>57901476 (OP)
+kill all males over 10 years old.
+--- 57904448
+>>57901476 (OP)
+Insurgency is a Zen-like art. The fewer soldiers you have in-country, the better your prospects. The fewer forces you commit to battle, the better. The more you fight, the more you lose. The more battles you win, the more victory becomes elusive.
+Explanation: such conflict is all about legitimacy. When you fight an win for your ally, you legitimize the enemy more and more, while masking and ultimately metastatisizing your ally’s systemic weaknesses (e.g. corruption, lack of unity).
+The solution is to be small, surgical, invisible. Special forces raids, very limited drone strikes. Diplomacy above all else, especially to eliminate sanctuaries over the border. Diplomacy in particular cannot be understated.
+
+Compare: Vietnam, Iraq, and/or Afghanistan to the Malaysian Emergency
+--- 57904466
+>>57901565
+>OBL 
+okay anon. you’re clearly a phd with top .001% iq and intelligence. as well known as OBL supposedly is it’s not going to kill you to spell out the name. enlighten the retarded masses phd anon. What the fuck does OBL mean.
+--- 57904467
+>>57902263
+What a retarded post with an even more retarded screencap
+Never pretend to be insightful again flunky
+--- 57904931
+>>57901568
+This was doomed to fail due to the nature of Afghanistan
+>the only city with modern infrastructure is Kabul
+>Kabul is typically where all pro-democratic peoples are and bear all the corruption and faults of a young democracy
+>Anywhere outside of Kabul is using dirt roads, poor healthcare, poorer education, lack of a national identity
+>all they care is who is shooting at them and whoever promises to fix their needs, whether it be the Kabul government or the Taliban who promised it will fix everything after discussing it with some Chai Tea
+>While not having a national identity their faith is always strong
+--- 57904955
+>>57904466
+>What the fuck does OBL mean.
+Oba Laba Baba
+--- 57905633
+>>57901476 (OP)
+you tie the tubes of every woman, castrate every man you capture
+then fight the insurgency as normal for 20 years
+now it has no replenishment and withers away
+--- 57906004
+>>57904448
+Example/s of this theory in action?
+--- 57906050
+>>57901476 (OP)
+oh, that's my old CO. i think that's from our deployment. i recognize the guy behind him too.
+--- 57906072
+>>57901476 (OP)
+Either kill everyone who associates with insurgents or convince the insurgents to stop fighting.
+--- 57906182
+>>57904448
+Fuck, should be 
+>[counter]insurgency is a Zen-like art***
+
+>>57904448
+>example/s of this theory in action?
+As mentioned: Malay Emergency
+FARC
+The Troubles
+Aussie area of operations in Vietnam War
+
+All of them did better with smaller forces. With the latter two, the war ended with political compromise, not military victories. Military solutions did NOT help, because they are the wrong tool for the job. Militaries are made to destroy other militaries, not deal with deep-seated political problems and governance, and at its core TRUST in the future the COIN is pushing. Diplomacy, to reiterate, is king here. 
+
+Any forces you have MUST be as minimal as possible. Small special forces raids based on intelligence. Soft power over hard power. Economic progress over military. In the Malay Emergency, the Brits were so successful that insurgents starved and killed each other over food.
+--- 57906196
+>>57906182
+Fuck, meant to post >>57906004
+Im fucking plenty up today
+--- 57906210
+>>57906182
+FUCK should be with the middle two***
+Since I added Aussies as an afterthought
+Ill answer questions but no more spontaneous posts from me today. Insomnia has made me 0 for 3 in non-shitposting correctness today :(
+--- 57906236
+>>57901499
+>typically causes enough international problems in terms of bitching and sanctions
+ like it does to the chingchongs and uyghurs?
+--- 57906250
+>>57903857
+This. Completed our military goals in Iraq and Afghanistan, but it just turns out the durka durkas used "democracy" to have an Islamic govt instead, who would've thought!
+--- 57906264
+>>57901604
+>The reason we lost Vietnam is we backed the wrong horse.
+it was a identical horse to the s.korean (very nepotistic military dictatorship) and it turned out very well for korea. Who is to say s.vietnam was not a late bloomer like korea was
+--- 57906334
+>>57906250
+We only complete our military objectives if we win after initial win condition and don’t add any new ones.
+
+We did not find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, we were all lied to, and moving the goalposts does not matter. Afghanistan is a mixed bag (OBL/al-Qaeda gone, but Taliban in power at the end) but we lost.
+
+We won militarily, this is true, but fuck Bush. We should never have invaded Iraq, and should have left Afghanistan after OBL was killed. Simple as.
+Why are you guys defending an administration that put everything in the hands of pic related >>57902517? We were fucked from the start.
+Cheer up though, better to lose a tiny 
+ war early on and win a major war later. Face the truth, learn from these mistakes, and make sure they do not happen again.
+--- 57906602
+>>57903990
+That is just Wikipedia saying that the taliban won. There could be Russian influence on Wikipedia. Glavset was very embarrassed seeing the tsliban giving American troops safe passege to leave. This means the taliban was scared of America because we won. Cope on it vatnigger.
+--- 57906610
+>>57906334
+> We only complete our military objectives if we win after initial win condition and don’t add any new ones
+How did that work out for you in Kherson? Point and laugh at the vatnik everybody.
+--- 57906772
+>>57901491
+Adding my (You) to the vatnigger bot dogpile
+--- 57906815
+>>57901672
+So because Germany has been closer than we are to Russia in the last few decades, if they finally asked us to leave you would consider WW2 a failure? Your just moving objectives/goalposts. The U.S. shouldn't be anywhere permanently unless our goal was to annex the territory.
+--- 57906917
+>>57904391
+>supporting a guy that gradually lost the support of his own people which gave rise to the Viet Cong.
+He was a POS but that wasn't where the viet cong originated they were sent from NV as volunteers so that the NVA could act like they dindunuffin and pretend it was the will of the people. 
+>According to Trần Văn Trà, the Viet Cong's top commander, and the post-war Vietnamese government's official history, the Viet Cong followed orders from Hanoi and were part of the People's Army of Vietnam, or North Vietnamese army.
+During the Massacre at Huế the Vietcong (which were completely decimated after the tet offensive) and NVA committed the worst massacre of civilians in the war. Yet they still won.
+--- 57906940
+Rebuild the economy, dont just dump free shit on them that puts a lot of people out of work who will now work with the insurgency. McDonalds on demand and air con really goes a long way to dissuade angry young men in the US for example.
+--- 57907322
+>>57901632
+>meanwhile in vietnam students cosplaying and playing Bocchi the Rock in school festival and wishing to go to college at US.
+
+No one believes in communism anymore outside innefectual west redditors, not even Best Korea believes in communism after promulgating Juche while the population pirate RoK shows and music, Cuba was forced to allow free market years ago and they are now a countrysized touristic resort, lets nlt even begin with China, even if you somehow manage to beat USA in a war the end result is always the same, western culture sips in, your population gets tired of Das Kapital diatribes and start demanding all the globohomo goodies.
+
+Same with Mideast, give the afghans 10 or 20 years and even their cattle herders will demand Netflix, sheepgirls and Coca-Cola.
+--- 57907374
+>>57901476 (OP)
+You can't unless you kill all the insurgents and every one that believes what the insurgents believe including their families.
+Basically it's impossible!
+Especially when people don't plan shit and go lone wolf, dropping redpills to people that may act, so they go and act.
+Untraceable and hit from anywhere.
+Coming to the west soon.
+--- 57909918
+>>57906815
+The Iraq war was over a period of 10 years and not over 60 years and to call Germany Russia aligned is brain dead claim.
+--- 57911689
+>>57907322
+...and it took 56,000 lives and every ounce of effort just for that? If western ideals speak for themselves, no need to bring war. It's ironic that democracy is spread through undemocratic means
+--- 57911809
+>>57901647
+>better the devil you know than the angel you don't 
+The flaw with this strategy is that foreign aid will always be foreign. There will always be strings attached no matter how good of a life an outsider government may bring and the population will be aware of this
+--- 57911866
+>>57902153
+>punishment approach
+>A decline in civilian morale, it is hoped, then produces internal turmoil, which causes grassroots opposition against insurgents
+When Germany dropped V2s on Britain did that make British citizens turn against their own army? Or harden their hate against the very attackers?
+--- 57911891
+>>57901476 (OP)
+You kill everybody. No prisoners and you exterminate every town/village where there is insurgency activity. You genocide all civilian if necessary.
+--- 57912394
+>>57902235
+no one wants filthy foreigners running there government.
+--- 57912476
+>>57904346
+so other than losing, we defeated the insurgency? You should apply for a job at the state department.
+--- 57912580
+>>57901476 (OP)
+By terrorising civilian population to the
+point of extermination, eliminating all potential elites first.
+Than you hire the most vile scum as new local elite and have them wipe the remaining resistance through torture and terror.
+
+>>57901499
+Yes it has. Been done numerous times.
+West is just to soft now.
+--- 57914221
+>>57901476 (OP)
+--- 57914231
+>>57912580
+Research the Soviet Afghan war.
+--- 57914237
+>>57901476 (OP)
+nukes.
+--- 57914240
+>>57901476 (OP)
+>As a western country, how are you supposed to win against an insurgency in a country like Vietnam, Iraq or Afghanistan?
+ignore the insurgency entirely, build roads and factories, raise the quality of life of the general population so high that the insurgents will look like complete retards fighting for an asinine cause
+--- 57914250
+>>57904387
+except this just caused even more partisans to pop up simply because being in the area of one would get your entire village and every near by village killed, which just made it easier to join since the chances of death were high either way, might as well fuck them over more
+--- 57914508
+>>57914240
+That worked out in Afghanistan right?
+--- 57914613
+>>57901476 (OP)
+Kill the men and boys and raffle the women and girls off to your troops. You may not like it, but that's what peak counterinsurgency looks like.
+--- 57914898
+>>57911689
+a small price to pay to bring the joy of coke to the world at large.
+--- 57914987
+>>57904931
+>discussing it with some Chai Tea
+FYI "chai" means "tea". 
+Now you know.
+--- 57915220
+>>57911866
+You should be asking the chechens or the tibetans that.

k/57902017.txt

@@ -76,3 +76,322 @@ WMLs are for:
 5. Giving you a pretext to point your gun at people that are not yet enough of a threat to normally do that.
 
 Yes, WML are 99% meme if you're not mil/LEO and kicking doors.
+--- 57906513
+>>57903239
+they are for seeing in the dark. it's a fucking flashlight
+--- 57906963
+>>57902651
+>alkaline
+>cr123a
+You're the one who doesn't know how batteries work.
+--- 57907212
+>>57902541
+>PEQs break all the fucking time
+
+Tbh like 95% of that is retards overtighten them to fuck and cracking the housing right away, or the next time it hits something while it's on the rifle, already bent to the point of nearly snapping.
+People turn into absolute chimpanzees when given an allen/torx key.
+--- 57907241
+>>57902651
+>123s
+>alkaline
+>leaking
+Retard.
+--- 57907279
+>>57902023
+this, even modlights are trash
+--- 57907287
+>>57902214
+sounds like poor
+--- 57907301
+>buy expensive shit
+>it breaks
+>buy cheap shit
+>it breaks
+
+cheap shit always wins.
+--- 57907381
+>>57903205
+>Someone had the battery door on their TLR-1 break a couple months back:
+oh noooo, one person was careless with their shit, streamlights are cancelled!
+--- 57907413
+>>57906963
+>>57907241
+my bad, i swore they made alkaline cr123s.
+--- 57907431
+>>57903205
+>to see what you're shooting at after IDing them as a threat with a handheld light (since just waving a gun around to see is a great ticket to felony charges) to justify the extra training
+If someone does not have the time to work on activating the WML on the draw, I promise you they don't have time to practice one handed shooting either.
+--- 57907435
+>>57907287
+post ur guns with surefires
+--- 57907441
+>>57903205
+my battery door broke on my TLR1 as well
+--- 57907467
+>>57902115
+hahahahajaja
+--- 57907488
+>>57902115
+--- 57907524
+>>57903205
+>>57907441
+How are you guys breaking them? At the hinge? And is it shooting while holding momentary down?
+--- 57908085
+>>57902164
+It's because AA batteries are dogshit, Anon.
+1.5v, leaky, and not great mAh either.
+--- 57908214
+>>57906513
+See: >>57903205, if you're using it out in public when you haven't IDed someone as a threat, then you're going to get criminal charges. If you're using it for home defense, then you're going to be unnecessarily announcing your presence to threats you can't see.
+--- 57908242
+>>57907524
+Mine broke randomly, have no clue how it broke but the door/hinge plastic just cracked. I wasn't even using it, it was just sitting in my closet.
+--- 57908258
+>>57902164
+No one uses AAs for anything dude, there's a reason Eotech and every other company moved on to 18650s and duel fuel CR123A it provides you the best of both worlds and you can use 123s in a pinch if needed.
+--- 57908269
+>>57903205
+I was split on handgun lights until a shooting happened about 100ft from me ~10pm in a spot with no streetlights. I'm in a rural area and It was a domestic dispute. The two suspects ran away, but it was really hard to see them. Luckily, I was carrying an x300 on my g19 because I usually don't. If they ran towards me, I'd probably have shot them. Oh, and I called the cops afterwards, they never showed up.
+--- 57908280
+>>57908269
+I live in a very rural area as well and use a x300 turbo, gives me better candela for identifying stuff through woods or forests instead of just the dull flood of the normal x300.
+--- 57908286
+>>57908214
+yeah so i should shoot someone i can't see. fuck off
+--- 57908311
+>>57908085
+don't use alkaline retard how many times does it need to be said?
+>>57908258
+actually everyone uses AAs for everything. that's why they're far & away the most commonly available battery.
+--- 57908312
+>>57908286
+What are you imagining this threat doing when it's so dark that you can't even see them? Are they walking around with NODs or something?
+--- 57908320
+>>57908214
+To add to the opposing viewpoint of NOT using a pistol mounted light and using a handheld, there have been many clips of people not maintaining good grip control or even using one hand while trying to fiddle around with a handheld light. You run into problems when your brain tries doing multiple things under high stress, the simplest option is to just use a fucking weapon light.
+--- 57908331
+>>57908312
+you can't imagine a poorly/unlit area? you know the sun is gone for 12 hours a day, right?
+--- 57908335
+>>57908311
+>actually everyone uses AAs for everything.
+link me 5 products in the gun/accessory industry that use AA as their main battery source. No older models of Eotech either.
+--- 57908337
+Reading through this thread I can see that holosun is now the undisputed king of both red dots and weapon lights. Honestly, we all knew it was bound to happen sooner than later.
+--- 57908367
+>>57908214
+>unnecessarily announcing your presence to threats you can't see.
+I'm not using the damn thing for morse code. Either there's enough ambient light for me to make a decision or move safely, or I HAVE to create more light. "Unnecessarily" has nothing to do with it.
+--- 57908382
+>>57908367
+don't even argue with these retards dude they don't train at night and they obviously are too poor to afford weapon mounted lights and are just coping.
+--- 57908456
+>>57908367
+>Either there's enough ambient light for me to make a decision or move safely
+If there isn't even enough light for you to see to move safely, then what the fuck is a threat even going to be doing? Besides that: >>57903205 has a point about how you can buy night lights with battery backup that will last for days of power outages for cheap today that will allow you to move and ID threats in your own home without needing to reach for a specific gun with an accessory for the occasion or announcing your presence.
+--- 57908478
+>>57908331
+Again, what are you imagining this threat doing when it's so dark that you can't even see them without a light? Are they walking around with NODs or something?
+--- 57908481
+>>57908456
+Bro no one is announcing their presence its called light discipline, if your threat is in the woods and you are under a well lit area because of your "backup lights" or w/e you wanna call them then YOU are the one now exposed, plus that's just a bad idea regardless, you should be using NV and seeking to remain under darkness or cover, otherwise you're just gonna be the guy running around under lights being seen by people with NV or thermal. You guys are playing checkers while we are playing 3d chess.
+--- 57908483
+>>57908335
+>gun/accessory
+fuck off you know exactly what i mean. every gizmo in your house uses AAs.
+however:
+>pvs 14
+>motorola XTS 5000 battery pack
+>streamlight sidewinder
+>PEQ 2/A
+>surefire m600AA
+kindly fuck yourself
+--- 57908508
+>>57908483
+I have a 4x POSP scope that uses AA for the reticle illumination
+--- 57908510
+>>57908456
+>what the fuck is a threat even going to be doing?
+I have no idea. May not even be a real threat. But clearly I have to either go see or retrieve people, because otherwise, why the fuck am I not hunkered down waiting on the popo to show.
+
+> Just use interior lighting
+Absolutely. Keep in mind, every criticism leveled at WMLs for announcing your presence still applies, I hope their motion activated so you don't have to walk into a dark hallway to flip a switch, and I hope you activate all of them simultaneously so that you aren't backlighting yourself if you have to move from a lit room to an unlit one.
+--- 57908534
+>>57908382
+>WML detractors using flat-earth tier mental gymnastics to explain how a tool (that can be used at your discretion) is bad
+--- 57908536
+>>57907435
+Not him but I can when I get home. I have a ruger mk4 with a surefire warden, x300, a czp10c with an x300, a cz sp01 phantom with an x300, 2 of my aks have surefire g2x’s and my ar has a df600?
+But once cry once, they last forever and hold up to my dumb ass hitting them on trees and barricades.
+--- 57908571
+>>57908536
+Heres the sp01 being shot by a friend
+
+>>57908508
+Well thats alright cuz the pso doesn’t really need ilum and it’s a lot easier than getting the out dated Soviet battery that’s some goofy 3 volt shit
+--- 57908601
+>>57908483
+Any newer grade PVS14 is gonna use 123s neuro. And yes the context of this discussion is firearms that's why you are on /k/ or I'll report your dumb shit for off topic discussion of household items. Radios aren't weapons that falls under comms. I'll give you the other ones though PEQ 2/A is fucking 20 years old dude. You can't name a single modern gun accessory that uses AAs.
+--- 57908659
+>>57908571
+Heres a shitty old pic of the ruger
+--- 57908716
+>>57908571
+Same range trip, forgot my saiga9 has an x300 too
+--- 57908718
+>>57908601
+cool goalpost. no, PVS 14s are still mostly AA.
+>VCOG
+>streamlight protac
+>RNVG battery pack
+>comp M4
+>LED ACOG
+>steiner OTAL
+suck my balls
+
+>I'M GONNA TELL THE JANNIES ON YOU FOR TALKING ABOUT RADIOS!!!!
+kill yourself
+--- 57908732
+>>57908481
+>Bro no one is announcing their presence its called light discipline
+>previous post was talking about needing a WML to see enough to even move safely
+>can't comprehend that even if just using a WML for threat ID before shooting, there can be another threat out of sight that will see where your flashlight beam is coming from and return fire
+
+>>57908510
+>I have no idea
+So you don't even have an idea of how a scenario that could justify using this accessory over other options could even happen? Just admit it's a cool toy rather than being something practical at that point.
+
+>I hope their motion activated so you don't have to walk into a dark hallway to flip a switch
+I'm pretty sure anon is talking about night lights with a light sensor to come on when it's dark like a lot of night lights have had for decades. The battery backup ones are sold as 3 in 1 or 4 in 1 lights and you can find them at Walmart.
+--- 57908747
+>>57908478
+threatening me obviously
+--- 57908779
+>>57908732
+>So you don't even have an idea of how a scenario
+Oh, so we're just intentionally misreading one another now?
+
+> with a light sensor to come on automatically
+Then yes, you'll have enough light where you don't turn on your WML. You can even argue you don't need one. I'm keeping all of mine.
+--- 57908838
+>>57908732
+>Just admit it's a cool toy rather than being something practical at that point.
+Hey bro, do you have a flashlight, of any type, in your home? It doesn't have to be WML.
+--- 57908853
+>>57908718
+My PVS14 uses CR123A, sorry you got the shit end of the stick bud.
+--- 57908983
+>>57908779
+>Oh, so we're just intentionally misreading one another now?
+Your stated scenario is that you need to retrieve people in a dark building where you need a flashlight to even move around (and they can't leave with the flashlights on their phones for some reason), and there's going to be a threat for some reason to make your life exciting despite not being able to give a reason why there would even be a threat in that environment. What did I misread? This is a half baked fantasy that you can't even fill in the blanks for why it would even happen.
+--- 57909016
+Anyone arguing in this thread about the mere existence of weapon lights needs to exit immediately. Go outside. And go train.
+--- 57909111
+>>57903205
+Fucking stupid fudd arguments. How in 2023 are people still thinking this shit. I wish you fucking losers did shit even an airsoft game at night and learn what the fuck is up. 
+>>57903239
+>>57908214
+Fucking moron, there is a reason high candela handhelds like the modlight and cloud one exist. Just because you are too simpleminded to think of a scenario doesn't mean shit. 
+>>57908312
+People have killed their loved ones because they had no wml and took a shot in the dark. Fucking idiot. Ask for an example go ahead. Ill show a possible glimpse of your sad fucking future unless you stay an incel forever. 
+>>57908732
+>what scenario do you imagine that there's gonna be distraction people and shooters hiding in corners waiting for you planning on shooting a weaponlight are you getting raided by navy seals? Hurrr
+Idiot. Its your same argument.
+--- 57909138
+>>57908983
+> you need to retrieve people in a dark building where you need a flashlight
+> half baked
+My man, it happens every damn time my home loses power in a storm. Plus, if my dogs start going batshit insane or, God forbid, I hear glass breaking, I'm not backlighting myself in my hallway.
+--- 57909200
+>>57909111
+>Ask for an example go ahead.
+If it's where the guy admitted he didn't actually visually confirm his target, I'd like to know about it anyway. Sometimes it's someone intentionally murdering a family member and claiming it was accidental.
+--- 57909242
+>>57909111
+>taking advantage of common 2023 illumination technology targeted toward the average non gun owner, that even functions in adverse conditions, to not need to have a flashlight beam heading back to your position is fudd
+Wut?
+
+>People have killed their loved ones because they had no wml and took a shot in the dark.
+Hence the suggestion for using night lights that are now offered with battery backup to function even in the event of multi day power outages. Not to mention, I'm sure your loved ones will feel much safer with you illuminating them with a handheld light rather than the light on your gun if it does come down to that.
+
+>>57909138
+>b-but what if my home loses power
+>continues to ignore that inexpensive night lights with battery backup specifically for that situation exist
+--- 57909287
+>>57909242
+>continues to ignore that inexpensive night lights
+Let's try this again. I'm not telling you to avoid night lights. I'm saying, if you don't have them, you'll need a flash light. You'll probably want the flash light anyway because it's a lot brighter at lighting up an entire room.
+
+Actually, let me ask you, do you own a single flashlight in your home? I'm guessing no, because your night lights are adequate, right?
+--- 57909350
+>>57909287
+>if you don't have them, you'll need a flash light
+There's zero point not to go with night lights over a WML if you're concerned with practical use rather than operator LARPing, considering you can cover your home with them for less than the cost of a good WML and they allow you to reach for any gun you own rather than needing a gun with a WML on it.
+
+>Actually, let me ask you, do you own a single flashlight in your home? I'm guessing no, because your night lights are adequate, right?
+Are you going to suggest that because I own flashlights for better illumination for tasks like working in tight spaces, behind stuff, or working on my vehicle, I need a WML to be prepared for jump scares with an attacker inside my cabinets, behind my fridge, or inside my car's engine bay?
+--- 57909375
+>>57909350
+You are dumb and poor lololololol
+--- 57909409
+>>57909350
+Okay, so yes, you own a hand held. I'm not talking about working on your car. Have you ever needed your flashlight for moving around or looking in your home?
+--- 57909453
+>>57908853
+did not ask. post it
+--- 57909466
+>>57909409
+>Have you ever needed your flashlight for moving around or looking in your home?
+Back before night lights with battery backup that lasts so long that the food in your freezer will stop being effectively cooled and go bad first in the event of an extended power outage.
+--- 57909594
+>>57909466
+So no, you don't ever need a hand held in your home. That's all you had to say. In that case, you've had no need for a WML.
+
+But I'm not you. Even if my house glowed like a radioactive smurf from nighights, I'd still want a 500+ lumen white light handheld because there will still be dark spaces and shadows. And if I feel I need a pistol out when I'm doing that, AND I have the worst night of my life and have to shoot someone, FUCK TRYING TO DO IT ONE HANDED.
+
+Again, I read you. You have no need for a WML. I do. Even with my nightlights.
+--- 57909619
+>>57909466
+Let’s pretend a flood, fire, tornado, riots, hurricane, meteor, volcano, infrastructure failure, ect occurs and your generator takes a shit or the event is bad enough where your generator runs out of fuel and you cannot safely or logistically replenish. Maybe we should even back up further, it could be as simple as a power surge or something fries your night lights. You can afford a decent generator and fuel, but you cant spare a few good back up wmls as a backup? You have nightlights all over your property? What if you have an issue outside your home and the power is out? An x300 is 300 dollars on sale, weights nothing, and gives you the ability to see and a non leathal option to gain compliance if the threat is unarmed. Night lights are a great tool and are very useful but 1000 lumens and negligible added weight on your primary and secondary cant hurt with a 20 pack of cr123s in a drawer. Knowing how to employ them and good light discipline takes less than 24 hours of training.
+--- 57909969
+>>57909594
+>I'd still want a 500+ lumen white light handheld because there will still be dark spaces and shadows.
+Are you concerned with intruders playing hide and seek in your closets and cabinets or something?
+
+>>57909619
+>An x300 is 300 dollars on sale
+For one. Do you always carry your gun with that light around with you at home, or do you have guns staged in other rooms for the much more likely event of a break in when you aren't where your home defense gun is normally staged, requiring you to have multiple lights? Since you must have a wife if you're worried about IDing family members, unless you're single with kids or something, should she not also have a gun to defend the home and therefore a light for IDing an attacker if you aren't relying on night lights, or is she just going to scream like in a movie while you come running to the rescue? Once you're getting into multiple X300s as a backup, you're better off looking into whole home surge protection like a Siemens FirstSurge (that will run you less than an X300 and protect all your expensive electronics rather than just your night lights) and keeping your generator at least protected enough that you home will stop being livable first (such as having it at least at floor level in case of floods). Even if you're worried about running out of gas or your generator breaking down for some reason, they sell battery backed night lights that use swappable batteries and you can keep a couple spare sets like you recommend keeping for a WML, and that will easily last you until you'd be evacuating and staying with family because the area you're in has stopped being fit for human habitation.
+--- 57910303
+>>57902184
+Streamlight HL is objectively better than any surefire option for pistol range engagements. Tons of spill compared to surefire options which throw really far but lack spill. being being $180 cheaper is just a bonus.
+--- 57910317
+>>57909969
+>Are you concerned with
+I'm concerned with limitations I've found with my vision from shooting shit after dark.
+--- 57910337
+>>57908337
+incredibly cringe and faggot gook lover pilled
+--- 57910512
+>>57903205
+Oh wow, one broken light. You know Streamlight is so reliable, that they actually have contracts with NASA?
+--- 57910555
+>>57907524
+>>57903205
+I'm the guy here with the broken TLR1 you linked, and it happened exactly as I said. I barely used it, it spent most of 8 years sitting on my headboard, and the latch on the battery door just fell apart when I took the light off the pistol one day. I haven't even bothered to contact Streamlight yet because I live alone and I just leave a lamp in my living room on all night which illuminates everything between my bedroom and front door enough to see what I'm shooting at.
+--- 57910561
+>>57909969
+>like a Siemens FirstSurge
+Can't find that one at Menards, but here's a Square D one for the same price as a TLR-1 that offers 80,000 amp protection:
+https://www.menards.com/main/electrical/circuit-protection-power-distribution/whole-house-surge-protection/square-d-trade-80-ka-whole-home-surge-protection-surge-protector/hepd80/p-1444444034160-c-14117.htm
+--- 57911241
+>this thread
+So WMLs are basically just LARP toys unless you're breaking into someone else's building like military/police deal with, and there are better consumer solutions to basically any self defense scenario you can think of where you might benefit from one?
+--- 57911284
+>>57911241
+Yes but make sure you get an expensive one. The cheap ones suck for larping.
+--- 57911304
+>>57911241
+garbage tier bait.
+--- 57914466
+>>57902017 (OP)
+Yep. So is EoTech.

k/57902037.txt

@@ -4,3 +4,72 @@
 --- 57902149
 >>57902070
 https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1681877540584707.webm
+--- 57905107
+>>57902102
+This is the cutest kino I've ever seen
+--- 57905435
+God I love the 36, such a shame there's no flying examples. Hopefully at least they can get XC-99 flying again.
+--- 57905729
+>>57905435
+That's a big plane
+--- 57906526
+>>57902037 (OP)
+I'd rather have a vulcan.
+--- 57906846
+>>57906526
+I don't know why you would.
+The br'ish had a way a of fucking up aesthetics and making a new age jet bomber look like it was designed a decade earlier.
+--- 57907659
+>>57906846
+The British had this knack for making their bombers have an extra chromosome, while at the same time still looking awesome as fuck.
+--- 57907732
+>>57907659
+>an extra chromosome
+That would be stating it mildly
+--- 57907749
+>>57902037 (OP)
+--- 57907945
+>>57907659
+i like this one
+--- 57908050
+Love the B-47.
+--- 57908087
+S A C
+--- 57908472
+If the B-58 had been around a couple more years, we would have seen this wicked scheme come to fruition.
+--- 57908686
+>>57908050
+--- 57908757
+>>57906846
+I'm sorry have you seen the B52?
+--- 57908780
+Simpler times when the military wasn’t pozzed
+--- 57909133
+>>57908780
+>Simpler times when the military wasn’t pozzed
+Was it though?
+In a constant state of "if we actually do our jobs it's the end of the world" mentality.
+--- 57909399
+I want one of those as an art piece in my living room.
+--- 57909412
+>>57908757
+Yes. Ain't she a beaut'?
+--- 57911600
+>>57902037 (OP)
+I love it so much bros. It was a simpler time, when everybody knew who the enemy was and trusted their neighbor. My city had a SAC base that hosted B-52s, F-101s, and a BOMARC SAM site. The SOVL from that era is fucking incredible.
+--- 57911762
+>>57911600
+>My city had a SAC base
+Mine too, brother
+--- 57912147
+>>57902070
+If this doesnt make you physically aroused then you are a dirty commie
+--- 57912814
+>>57911762
+Whoa. Yours was bigger than mine.
+--- 57914529
+>>57911762
+Did you guys notice the YB-60 parked in this picture?
+--- 57914837
+>>57902102
+My dad would belt me if I did this on a B-52.

k/57902224.txt

@@ -120,3 +120,155 @@ Fake and gay thread. God damn you guys are stupid go lurk /b/ for another 10 yea
 --- 57903408
 >>57902224 (OP)
 I know you!
+--- 57903972
+>>57902224 (OP)
+Cant you retards just use Breakfree CLP and limit Hoppe´s on the hard shit? Also get well soon :(
+Breakfree CLP as a non-aerosol is even softer to humans than Ballistol, so yeah
+--- 57904111
+>>57902269
+wait until you get the bill, You could have purchased a full auto M16!
+--- 57904123
+OP just self reported that he lacks a natural gag reflex lmao cocksucker. Hoppes is full of so much shit that only a true faggot wouldn't immediately retch.
+--- 57904177
+>>57902518
+>They kept asking me if it was suicide and I had to keep telling them no and getting hurt was unintended
+It's not too late to change your mind, anon.
+--- 57904198
+>>57904111
+shit, the msds shows its containing methanol. But the concentration on the data sheet would mean he needs to fully drink 100ml minimum to get blind, OP is safe
+--- 57904383
+>>57902224 (OP)
+I'm going to remember this the next time I run a meeting on lab safety.
+--- 57904505
+>>57904198
+you can treat methanol intoxication with ethanol, so just chug some wodka fterwards
+--- 57904510
+>>57904505
+Just drink until you dilute methanol % to acceptable levels, comrade
+--- 57904528
+>>57904505
+It contains 10-30% ethanon, but thats not enough ;_; add some 99% ethanol and make a Hoppe´s energy drink
+--- 57904545
+>>57904528
+Now we're cookin
+--- 57904584
+>>57904528
+When you´re able to put a muzzle break into your ass and it comes out clean
+--- 57904680
+>>57902224 (OP)
+>>drank directly from the Hoppes bottle.
+Tragic.....
+Your manhood is over, Your package will fall off soon.
+Might as well get a AR, some furry amine stickers and tranzlucent pink and purple mags for the AR.
+Hop on the /k/ AR threads talk about Lubes for your receiver and try and blend in.
+--- 57904702
+>>57902454
+Go back to R*ddit you fucking faggot.
+--- 57905558
+put me in the screencap
+--- 57906536
+>>57904680
+Coincidentally I was cleaning an AR at the time
+--- 57906563
+>>57902224 (OP)
+>in soviet russia rifle lubes you
+--- 57906625
+Any hoppes connoisseurs here? Do you know if it tastes better aged? I have this ancient bottle sealed with rust.
+--- 57907421
+>>57904177
+--- 57907557
+Because this thread made me laugh i hope for a speedy recovery and natural immunity to future chemicals for you OP.
+But damn, you sure are a fuckup.
+--- 57907589
+Posting in epic bread
+--- 57907768
+>>57902224 (OP)
+--- 57907882
+>>57902239
+The fuck did you bleed out of? Your dick?
+It looks like there's a mucussy membrane in there.
+Did you piss out fucking solvent and this happened? Are those your shriveled testes ?
+--- 57907912
+>>57902315
+Drink more.
+>>57902379
+Kenny loggins "im alright" begins softly in the background.
+--- 57908014
+>>57902312
+>Well chloroform is what I used for isolating and just because it’s mostly insoluble in water doesn’t mean I didn’t drink enough to get poisoned.
+I mean, it wouldn't be the first time someone ingested chloroform. How much was it?
+--- 57908529
+>>57908014
+A few hundred microliters hard to know for sure since it was chloroform dissolved in water 
+I felt fine and was laughing about what a genius I was till my skin flushed and pulse went crazy, then after realizing I didn’t have the antidote and I’m gonna get kidney damage I went to the hospital
+
+Doctors got scared since my systolic was under 90 but joke is on them since it was just like 10-15 points below my average
+--- 57908735
+Just read the ingredients for hoppes 9 bore cleaner, you were mostly fine (no heavy metals or something hilariously toxic like large amounts of methanol or worse in both the bore cleaner and the number 9 solvent) apart from the fact that those things destroy the epithelial cells in the digestive tract, for instance acetone interculates in to the cell walls and destroys them, like most of the things on that list (gee i wonder why shit that is designed to remove oils removes oils from your cell walls which are oils by design), so basically you did nothing worse than drink drain cleaner, which is still bad, so the fact that you got your stomach pumped fairly quick was a good thing, cheers hoppes anon
+>.t chemist fag
+--- 57909134
+>>57907882
+that was me coughing, I have a weird blood thing where it's very thin but coagulates very fast outside my body; none more than that came up
+--- 57909220
+>>57903280
+I lol'd
+--- 57909291
+>>57902454
+>have insurance 
+>pay deductible 
+>still less than Europeon taxes
+Sucks to suck.
+--- 57909329
+>>57902312
+This is why we have lab test animals anon, you probably didn't even know the LD50 of your concoction was
+--- 57909959
+>>57902432
+Isopropyl alcohol is poisonous…
+--- 57911778
+>>57902224 (OP)
+Holy fuck OP
+
+Megalol and put me in screencap
+--- 57911925
+>>57909134
+>coughing, I have a weird blood thing where it's very thin but coagulates very fast
+uh coughing up blood at any time for any reason es no bueno, at a minimum you have untreated chronic lung infection like bronchitis, or could be early COPD blood clot and lots of things that only get worse.
+the occasional nosebleed, that happens, but not this
+--- 57911970
+>>57911925
+I think he meant his blood in general is very thin but coagulates fast when he bleeds not that he coughs up blood often (or ever, unless he drinks, say, Hoppes, for example).
+--- 57912033
+>>57902269
+Get well soon.
+--- 57912280
+>>57902224 (OP)
+That's what you get for drinking out of plastic bottles.
+--- 57914462
+>>57902224 (OP)
+bumping this to keep op alive for just a little longer
+--- 57914525
+>>57914462
+I'm out of the hospital at the very least, boss was kinda pissed but I don't think it was all that big a deal. In my defense, I was thirsty
+--- 57914561
+>>57902614
+>I'd rather be free to get fucked in the ass by megacorporations than be allowed to visit the local healer without bankrupting myself
+--- 57914565
+>>57902224 (OP)
+This is why I use ballistol. lol you can use it to cook probably
+--- 57914571
+>>57914561
+>hurr megacorps
+wow you're so brave, please move somewhere they'll REALLY appreciate you
+--- 57914611
+>>57914561
+>Posts king of kikes, faggot tough guy biker, twitter sjw as his reaction image
+Imagine
+--- 57914638
+>>57914565
+The best combination cooking oil and gun cleaner is froglube, because its just minty coconut oil, guaranteed to impart a fresh minty coconut taste onto anything you fry/clean
+--- 57914680
+>>57902224 (OP)
+Ballistol Master Race.
+--- 57915090
+>>57902224 (OP)
+Do they activate charcoal the same way they activate almonds? Please respond.

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@@ -46,3 +46,501 @@ The pollaxe family (including bec de corbin, lucerne hammer etc) are useful weap
 --- 57903218
 >>57902448 (OP)
 Why the fuck would modern tactics and knowledge be relevant to medieval war? Airstrike doctrine doesn't work when you can't do an airstrike
+--- 57904964
+>>57903045
+Not just that, but what is optimal changes heavily depending on when in the middle ages you mean, where you are, and what your circumstances are. For example, just because the Swiss did very well doesn't mean that their model would work at all for 12th century Byzantium.
+--- 57905047
+>>57903045
+>>57903218
+I do think OP has a point. We have the power of hindsight and limitless information after all. I'm sure someone versed in medieval warfare might be able to come up with good strategies by compiling and comparing what worked. But you need to specify the timeframe and location. 
+Imagine how bad medieval boomerlore had to be. A .22 bouncing in your head is nothing against the shit medieval soldiers would have come up with.
+--- 57905109
+Shire horse self propelled longbowmen in a crenellated carriage. Fully mounted army, so is always faster than marching army catching them before they can ever reach a critical size. 
+Towed trebuchets rather than construction on site, to accelerate seiges to weeks not months.
+Massive increase in longbow yeomanry means partially trained younger men could ride smaller horses with smaller bows and spears as light cavalry to act as scouting / looting force for main army.
+I would destroy any heavy armour looted to prevent it being recaptured, and severely punish enemies caught wearing plate armours for being "wealthy landowner peasant exploiters terrorists" or something .
+Also rather than breeding dumb wolf's to be loving dogs with eyebrows, I would breed big brain corvids to be scouts and messengers
+--- 57905125
+>>57902448 (OP)
+phalanxes flanked by superheavy legionnaires with solid metal scutums
+--- 57905801
+>>57902448 (OP)
+As other Anons have already pointed: you need to specify the point in time, against which enemy one would fight and what your available ressources are. 
+But I think what every state, regardless of time period, could implement would be a sound organizational foundation for the army. Something like the swedish and prussian canton systems of the 17th century. This would allow the state to more predictably levy troops and reduce the dependency on the various nobles. An overall theoretical reform of the state, away from the various feudal systems, would benefit many medieval states.
+>>57902993
+The army of the Burgundian State were already top notch. It is just that Charles got outplayed on the diplomatic stage and suffered a series of losses from which he was unable to recover from - quite literally in the end. The only thing one could add to the army of Burgundy would be lighter elements similar to the swiss to make fast movements on the battlefield and on campaign possible.
+--- 57907157
+>>57902448 (OP)
+Along with the specific era, you need to consider the economic situation and culture an army is from.
+
+Depending on era and place, maintaining a large standing army is going to be hard. Likewise some forms of soldier, such as horse archers or longbowmen, take years and years of training from a young age to produce.
+--- 57907207
+>>57902456
+Which type?The elite used heavy lamellar armor and often fought as shock cavalry.You could absolutely get a better armor that ways the same or less from europe.Late Medieval mongols were also beaten by just about anyone that they fought.
+--- 57907271
+>>57905047
+>We have the power of hindsight and limitless information after all.
+A lot of information has been lost over the years, and the rest you only have if you do your homework. Since OP thinks "medieval" is specific enough to do something substantial with here it's clear that he neither has nor will.
+
+>Imagine how bad medieval boomerlore had to be.
+Odds are a large chunk of what you think you know about the middle ages is simply 19th century "boomer"lore about them.
+--- 57907334
+>>57907271
+> simply 19th century "boomer"lore about them.
+Yeah,Victorian era "scholars" had the habit to just make up shit.Like the small hand crossbows that were made as toys for nobles and had maker's marks.But one guy looked at one for ten seconds and thought they were used by assassins.Or the myth about plate armor being so heavy that they had to use cranes to lift the knights.
+--- 57907426
+>>57907271
+>>57907334
+>19th century "boomer"lore about them.
+>Yeah,Victorian era "scholars" had the habit to just make up shit.
+>muh longbows
+>stupid french
+>swords are iron clubs
+>knights needs cranes to get into saddle
+>knights cant get up if they fall
+>did i mentioned french and their knights are stupid?
+>you draw cut with sabers
+--- 57907449
+>>57902448 (OP)
+>Tonight we'll have shota paige for dinner
+--- 57907573
+>>57902448 (OP)
+Pre-1600s:
+Horse archers
+
+Pre-1500s also:
+English style army built around well-rounded knights and mounted archers. They mogged everyone they met and at half the budget. Archers are too OP. The English were the only major players to develop this style of warfare but they were too poor and a few decades too late to truly dominate.
+--- 57907670
+>>57905047
+People are pretty good at optimizing for their material conditions. If we suppose that we are to optimize for a medieval period without introducing wholly new technology from later periods, it would be arrogant to think that medieval people weren't already doing that. Sure they had their superstitions and things that seem arbitrary to us, but in its own way that's what was practical. 
+Like, what are you gonna do, go in and tell them stop wearing bright colors and prancing about like fags? That's what worked. You needed to be seen more than you needed to not be a target. You can't tell them small unit tactics are leet operator shit, the training isn't practical and they would just be overwhelmed.
+--- 57907813
+>>57902993
+That fucker would just need better intel. Like, don't go after those poor looking peasants that are using some new wunderwafe farming utensils.
+--- 57907844
+>>57907670
+This thread overlaps significantly with the "what would you teach ancient people if you go back in time" thread that crops up every now and then. My answer is always to teach modern hygiene, nutrition, crop rotation and accounting to Romans, which alone would make them an unstoppable empire, but confining myself to military stuff this time round, getting Romans to add more longbowmen and cavalry, and introducing the stirrup, would do wonders.
+--- 57907936
+>>57902993
+>unlimited budget
+We build a massive navy. I mean a really colossal one. We get tens of thousands of people - some soldiers, mostly colonists - and a shitton of supplies on it, do the triangle-trade path over to "North America" (we'll call it Carolingia in honour of Charles), settle the eastern coast, have the empty ships sail back and pick up more people. Transfer as much of the Burgundian population as we can that way, building new settlements and eventually cities in the continent of Carolingia, while engaging in genocidal expansion against the natives until our people have settled the entire continent.
+
+You're welcome, Charles - your family now rules over a realm that utterly dwarfs Europe in both size and natural resources and is protected on all sides by ocean. Fuck Lotharingia, Carolingia is where it's at.
+--- 57908093
+The one thing you can do to improve their armies would be to reform administration and beurocracy to make maintaining an arming more feasible. And then basicaly just do what they where already doing but professional/semi professional merc army.
+--- 57908122
+>>57907670
+On the contrary, e.g. Hussites - a rag-tag band of outnumbered rebels BTFO the best armies of Europe via new tactics, then when they got defeated, everybody ignored their lessons and carried on. To say that people did things because it was the best thing they could had done at the time is just circular reasoning.by retards.
+--- 57908267
+>>57907573
+>They mogged everyone they met
+Explain all of the battles that they lost.
+>and at half the budget
+A mounted english archer on campaign was paid 6 pence that's actually lot by medieval standards and 3 times more than common infantry would have gotten.Supplying hardened arrow tips was also expensive.
+>Horse archers
+That's a nice way to say that you don't know shit about medieval warfare.
+--- 57908396
+>>57908122
+>then when they got defeated, everybody ignored their lessons and carried on
+you're right, after that everyone put down their firearms and decided that they would only ever LARP as classical era armies in the future. there was definitely no adaptation to the changes in technology. you fuckin retard fag
+--- 57908399
+>>57908267
+>Being good means you are literally invcible
+lmao
+>6 pence that's actually lot by medieval standards
+Paid half that of a man at arms and twice that of a normal longbowman, yet defeated armies that had more knights than their entire army. Yep, seems like a great deal to me.
+--- 57908407
+War Wagons
+--- 57908516
+>>57907670
+lmao only a simpleton would think that an army is already be the best it possibly can be. There are plenty of cases where someone reformed an army to improve it, with no change in technology or circumstances to prompt such a thing. Was that army optimized, yet magically not optimized the very next day when they reformed?
+When the roman army switched from spears to shields, was spears optimal right up to the next day when they used swords instead?
+
+When Marius did his reforms, were the old ways were optimal right up to that point?
+
+The English switched from a conventional European army to one based on longbows, remaking their society just to do so, which one was optimal? Was it the new English ways, or the old English ways that everyone else did?
+
+When Philip II of Macedon created the Macedonian phalanx, were hoplites optimal, but then suddenly the phalanx was for no reason?
+
+>>57908267
+War wagons? Do you even know what the Hussites did? WTF even was this post?
+--- 57908593
+>>57902448 (OP)
+Hussars with ERA on their horses
+--- 57908644
+I wonder if roller bearings would increase the transport efficency of carts and wagons by any relevant amount
+--- 57908706
+>>57908267
+How many fucking times do I have to repeat that the English were fucking mediocre? Their track record vs. the French isn't great, they were middling as mercenaries in Italy, and they got absolutely mogged by the Swiss every time they fought, which is fucking hilarious since the Swiss fought as LIGHTLY-ARMOURED INFANTRY WITHOUT SHIELDS
+--- 57908714
+>>57907670
+
+Nah, even today, in a relatively meritocratic culture in comparison to the past, with everything open to critique and scrutiny, we see a lot of massive fuckups.
+Obviously, even a well-educated modern scholar will have plenty of ideas about the past that are wrong; there are many things that modern people would simply overlook.
+That's why in all those scenarios about sharing modern knowledge with past cultures, it's important to work together with people from those times, let them poke holes in modern ideas, and in exchange, poke holes in some of their retarded concepts.
+
+My two cents: semi-modern shipbuilding. Take what we know and see what they can make with it. Make your chosen faction rule the waves (or at least the rivers). I'm really curious what kind of medieval abominations they could make.
+--- 57908736
+>>57908706
+lol stay mad, cunt
+--- 57908744
+>>57902483
+Do you understand how fucking insane it is that MONGOLIANS in the middle ages even fought Croats and Austrians?
+--- 57908759
+>>57902483
+Losing to the Samurai at the same time as losing to the Austrians is an achievement in and of itself.
+--- 57908817
+>>57908706
+>Almost managed to conquer France on a third of their budget, defeated massive French armies (three times) that significantly outnumbered them in sheer numbers of men AND massively outnumbered them in numbers of knights by an entire magnitude.
+Yeah, I think the English system didn't just work, it exceeded all expectations. When e.g. at Agincourt 5 thousand archers and 1 thousand knights defeated 10 thousand knights and 10 thousand light cavalry, that's the opposite of "mediocre"
+--- 57908871
+>>57908516
+You are not a genius reformer and you are not intimately familiar with the needs and conditions of any particular place or period at any point in history experienced by anyone. I'm not saying no one ever improves anything. I'm saying the likelihood that you offer anything to that effect is so remote as to be worth only discarding. There were multiple generations between people like Marius and they came up through the ranks of their own time with the on the ground experience of their era and locality. 
+>>57908714
+You said all that but in the end your offer to history is to port in a modern technology wholesale. Sure you propose doing it with the tools of the time, but a modern technology nonetheless. You are subconsciously humble enough to realize that you would not improve anything if you stuck to the conditions of the period.
+--- 57908887
+>>57902448 (OP)
+Are we assuming gunpower or no? What level of armor?
+>Assuming early gunpower (So some handcannons but too slow and costly to hand them out to all ranged troops.) and plate armor.
+>Ranged Troops: Should form a large portion of your army. They're way better than they were given credit for. Entrenching wasn't too hard and entrenched ranged troops with some pike support would beat most things if trained and supplied well.
+-Handcannoneers: Great for sieges, can fuck armor, they're the best. Get as many as you can.
+-Crossbowmen: Literally the next best thing. All the benefits of bows, 0 drawbacks. If you let soldiers learn how to make and maintain them they will so they're almost free. You have no reason not to use them unless you have so much gunpower you don't need anything else.
+-Dragoons/HorseCrossbowmen: If you can get them, they can do a lot to harass enemy troops and raid, if not, you can do without.
+>Melee Infantry: They're a necessity for many things. Do not discount them just because they're peasants.
+-Pikemen: they defend your ranged troops really well, they block cav, they have good range. Use them. Also try training them on shield use for close quarters, they can do it well.
+-Dedicated shield users or polearm troops: great for sieges, urban combat, and you need a few with at least half armor to break pike block duels. Great bodyguards too.
+>Melee Cavalry: If gunpower is already here they are going to be useless soon, BUT.
+-Light cav: If you can't get dragoons/horse crossbows these guys can be a pain in your enemies logistics. If you can get them ranged weapons on a budget you should. If not, they're still good explorers, messengers, etc. But you don't need that many.
+-Heavy Cavalry: They CAN get a good charge in sometimes, mostly they just make great bodyguards. Plus they make great armored infantry when dismounted, so having some is a great bonus. DO NOT OVERUSE THEM.
+>tl;dr: Just copy picrel's homework.
+--- 57908892
+>>57908817
+That's taking advantage of the terrain and pretending it was the memebow's victory. When the English faced French knights on dry, flat fields they were often destroyed by traditional cavalry charges while when the landscape was broken but not drowning in mud the French beat them by dismounting to fight on foot.
+--- 57908928
+>>57908871
+Cool goalposts bro, no one ever said anything about going back in time except for you.
+--- 57908942
+>>57908817
+On the other hand, during the Gugler incident of 1375, a large Anglo-French force, formed during a lull in the Hundred Years' War. They ravaged the countrysides of central France and the Alsace, before attempting to invade Switzerland.
+Of course, the moment they ran into the Swiss, they got massacred, because the Hundred Years' War was in essence the Special Olympics of medieval warfare and they had finally come across a competent force.
+--- 57908971
+>>57908942
+The other encounter between the Swiss and English was during the Burgundian Wars, where Charles the Bold hired a fuckload of veteran English archers for his armies. Of course, everyone knows what happened to Charles, but it needs to be noted that the English were described as not even being able to get a single shot off, being overwhelmed by the opening volleys of the Swiss vanguard and the subsequent infantry charge every time.
+--- 57908984
+>>57908892
+>At Crecy
+>At Poitiers again
+>At Agincourt again
+When does it stop? Going to blame the terrain every time?
+--- 57908998
+>>57908744
+>how fucking insane it is that MONGOLIANS
+No?The intial conquests of Genghis Khan were impressive,the Ilkhanate was impressive as well but they lasted less than hundred years and never reached europe.The Golden Horde claimed some empty steppe and raped some slavs,eventually got turkified and then remained irrelevant until they were subjugated.
+--- 57909024
+>>57908984
+hmm..
+>This is a list of major battles in the Hundred Years' War, a conflict between France and England that lasted 116 years from 1337 to 1453. There are 60 of them.
+--- 57909077
+>>57908942
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gugler
+>The Guglers (also Güglers) were a body of mostly English and French knights
+Should had brought longbowmen
+
+>under the leadership of Enguerrand VII de Coucy
+Under the time-test war-winning leadership of the French and Welsh, lmao
+
+>the obvious resolve of the Swiss populace, led to the retreat of the Guglers
+Dumbass Frenchman panicked and fled at the first sight of resistance.
+--- 57909081
+>>57908998
+A feat so mundane its been repeated hundreds of times.
+--- 57909152
+>>57909024
+Those three are the three biggest battles of the entire war. I don't know about you, but when a bunch of dudes that costs half that of knights, beat a bunch of knights twice their number, maybe it's a sign they're actually pretty good?
+--- 57909174
+>>57909077
+>Should had brought longbowmen
+"Gugler" rougly means "bascinet wearer", because archers can't wear wide-brimmed helmets. It was a force consisting of both French knights and English longbowmen, which in the Anglo imagination should make it the greatest medieval force of all time.
+>Under the time-test war-winning leadership of the French and Welsh, lmao
+Of course, the English were always led by frogs at this time.
+>Dumbass Frenchman panicked and fled at the first sight of resistance.
+Dumbass English and some Frenchmen
+--- 57909231
+>>57909174
+Now this is cope.
+--- 57909290
+>>57909231
+The only coping I see here is coming from the anglos who need to come to grips with how overrated their ancestors are.
+Even if we imagine that the Gugler force was made up purely of French knights, then that still reflects incredibly poorly on the English, because that would mean that a hastily-assembled and massively outnumbered band of mountain peasants totally mogged the English when it came to killing knights.
+Of course, everyone does know that the Swiss were far more effective at defeating French-style cavalry armies than the English were, as they proved in other wars.
+--- 57909317
+>>57908759
+The Koreans were the ones who fought the japs.
+--- 57909331
+>>57909174
+Ah yes, the bascinet, the iconic headwear of archers.
+lmao
+--- 57909342
+>>57909331
+Yes.
+--- 57909394
+>>57902448 (OP)
+100% this
+--- 57909398
+>>57909331
+That's with Hounskull you tard
+--- 57909422
+>>57909174
+>The term Gugler is derived from the appearance of the knights dressed for winter, wearing hounskull (German: hundsgugel) helmets and cowl-like hoods, Gugle (or Gügle) being a Swiss German term for cowl or point.[1]
+
+Meanwhile, anon: must be longbowmen, source, my ass.
+--- 57909430
+>>57909394
+Hill monkeys stay out. This is a Swadian board.
+--- 57909514
+>>57908942
+>Oh that's interesting, how could the unarmored Swiss defeat longbowmen where French knights and Scottish pikemen failed?
+>Do a quick google search
+>No longbowmen, just knights
+>It was a surprise atatck on their camp anyway, so what soldiers they were didn't matter anyway
+WOW
+--- 57909577
+>>57909422
+The claim that they were solely made up of knights only appears on the English Wikipedia entry, no other source describes them as "knights". The much higher-quality German language entry, and all German-speaking literature refers to the Guglers as mercenaries (Söldner) or soldiers (Soldaten).
+A number of incidents during the Gugler incursion were recorded and they clearly point at the presence of English archers, such as Rudolf IV von Nidau getting shot by one.
+
+And again, if we assume they were all knights, then that's at least ten-thousand, or as many as thirty-thousand knights, something the English couldn't have dealt with
+>>57909514
+>>It was a surprise atatck on their camp anyway, so what soldiers they were didn't matter anyway
+
+>attack a fortified position full of knights and longbowmen while heavily outnumbered
+>win
+>anglos think this is unimpressive
+--- 57909622
+A Mongolian army of 1,000,000 men to deliver me all the young Eurasian women my cock can handle on the daily. They can pillage whatever they want for all I care.
+--- 57909630
+>>57909577
+>surprise attack on a bunch of sleeping men
+>Yeah, that showed them! Knights BTFO!
+What was your point again?
+--- 57909673
+>>57909630
+Even if we assume that's all they did (which isn't the case, l2read more than Wikipedia), then that's still a feat that would require too much speed, subterfuge and coordination for the English to accomplish
+--- 57909677
+>>57909081
+Yes .Or did you miss european colonisation?By the 16th century portugal was sailing around africa ,fought wars with the ottomans in the arabian sea while simultaneously fighting in south america and taking control of Macau in china
+--- 57909784
+Cannon. Lots of cannon. And some wagons.
+
+>Field battle
+6-pounder grapeshot, everywhere, kills everything
+>Siege
+Cannon destroys everything, whether offense or defense
+>Ambush/skirmish
+Broken up by 2 pounders on wagons, ready to use at a moment's notice.
+
+essentially be the medieval napoleon
+--- 57909801
+>>57908887
+Going earlier so gunpower either isn't a thing or is only used in sieges, but past the point where haing plate armor in the form of half armor or brigandines was already a thing.
+>Ranged Troops: Without handcannons these guys will have a lot more trouble dealing with armor, but they should still form a large part of your army at least in mixed companies. They are great vs infantry, the best in some terrain or when protected, and great at sieges.
+-Crossbowmen: They are still objectively better than bowmen in every way, and without handcannons the main source of anti armor in your army is likely going to be arbalests or other armor. Some minor kingdoms used them as elite guards, specially in southern europe, do not think just because the crossbow was considered a peasant weapon it wasn't still the best shit at your disposal at this period in time.
+-Slingers and javelins: They're found easily in mountain regions and make for great skirmishers, specially those from southern europe.
+-Horse Crossbowmen or Archers: Basically just upgraded light cavalry, you can still do without, but won't hurt.
+>Melee Troops: they will have more weight than last time, armor is more worth it without guns but they still can't do everything.
+-Spear infantry: this age's version of pikes, loose some range but get a shield. Needed for defense specially in fields but don't overuse them, if they can get crossbows mixed in all the better. Needs support.
+-Armored infantry: Breaks up duels, good bodyguards, good for urban combat and shields, you need some, get them horses if possible.
+-Light Cavalry: good explorers and messengers, needed for logistics, good at harassing enemy flanks, if you can give them ranged weapons even better but even without you need a few.
+-Heavy Cavalry: doubles up as the best heavy infantry when dismounted. Beware entrenched infantry or terrain issues so don't overuse them, plus it's expensive as fuck. But do try to get some if possible.
+--- 57909855
+>>57909673
+Cool story bro, now back it up with evidence. Without goalpost moving to an entirely new goal this time.
+--- 57909858
+>>57909677
+NTA but we are jumping from the 12th century to the 16th century here. On top of that, even though the Portuguese Empire was impressive in its own right; Mongolia was a contiguous land empire that was supposedly so well secured that you could cross the whole thing with a gold plate on your head. The Mongolians weren't collecting ports and defending them, they were conquering nations wholesale.
+--- 57909860
+>>57902448 (OP)
+Just spam Lancers
+--- 57910010
+>>57907573
+>pre 1600
+>horse archers 
+Reddit
+--- 57910024
+>>57902448 (OP)
+Here's the purrrfect medieval army. 
+
+>Funpowder Units
+I'd want to employ a lot of confetti shooters to really surprise the enemy. Getting them tangled up would also be a bonus, but only the ones who are prone to slipping humorously. 
+
+>Fright Cavalry
+Horses painted with plenty of spooky paint and dressed up in spooky clothing. Perhaps looks like a skeleton. Perhaps looks like a wizard with a beard. Really good at freaking out the enemy. 
+
+>SSBBWHeavy Cavalry
+Horses that are really fat with equally fat riders. Fed on only the fattiest and sweetest foods. BOTH man and beast. I'm talking Henry the Eighth is an amateur compared to these guys. Imagine getting hit with a charge!
+
+>Singers and Jazzalins
+Castrates from the Catholic church and jazzhand performers to distract the enemy and to perform recon. They'll never suspect the singers to be the lookouts, and the jazzers can signal around for the main army help direct troops with clear, fun, and safe orders. 
+
+>Armied Infantry
+Infantry that came back in a time machine from 2023 with modern equipment and 10,000 rounds each. Gets teleported back to modern times if they run out of ammo. 
+
+>Fancers
+Light riders carrying fans to help keep the troops cool in hot fighting weather. Can band together to do "the wave" and push extra air across the field to refresh the troops. 
+
+>Shartchers
+Lactose-intolerant men LOADED TO THE BRIM WITH DAIRY. Put a few arrows in their ass, and they'll perform better than any longbow at piecing armor. 
+
+>Horse Shartchers
+Lactose-intolerant horses without riders. Flanking animals that run around the enemy while carrying heavy ballistic arrows in their horse butts. 
+
+>Greek Flier Troops
+A bunch of Greeks carrying parchment and glue to slap on the helmets of the enemy. They can't hit what they can't see! They'll be paid in gyros and olive oil for each man papered. 
+
+>Shearmen
+Hold the middle of the army's line with large gardening shears. Able to create paths on the battlefield.
+--- 57910033
+>>57902448 (OP)
+FAMAS and plate armor.
+--- 57910059
+>>57902448 (OP)
+>ITT full of muh horse archer meme
+Historylets
+--- 57910249
+>>57909855
+It's even on the English Wikipedia page, but you can't even read that properly. The Swiss fought the Guglers in a series of night battles, some happened on the move, such as at Buttisholz, while others were when the Guglers were dug in, such as at Fraubrunnen.
+--- 57910263
+>>57910249
+And to make it perfectly clear for your especially dumb ass, Buttisholz was a direct confrontation, not an ambush.
+--- 57910270
+>>57902456
+Unironically, one of the best. Byzantine is probably even better. Tech advantage, tactically superb, they were just zerg rushed by everyone from turks to crusaders, not to mention that they had the merchants of merchants against them.
+--- 57910297
+>>57909394
+Even the heaviest crossbows barely equaled stronger bows, and had a poorer rate of fire. Crossbows are only good because they don't take half a decade to train up.
+--- 57910377
+>>57910270
+I hate the fanboy shit Byzantines get. They don't deserve it. They always lose again and again and need countless bailouts from foreigners and civil wars within their enemies to save their ass every time, and they still can't get their shit together. 
+
+Byzantium was the Whore of Babylon empire of its time.
+--- 57910414
+>>57910377
+>bailouts from foreigners
+Get the fuck out of here Bohemund. Frankish "Catholics" will never be Christian or Roman, but always be Barbarians.
+--- 57910425
+>>57910414
+Struck a nerve?
+--- 57910426
+>>57908644
+Quite probably, but you have to remember the economic cost of innovation.
+Creating a cart wasn't cheap. Roller bearings wouldn't make it cheaper. Wood is quite a fragile material and metal certainly wasn't cheap. If the cost of a wheel or an axle is higher than the trade value of the goods then anybody using a cart would just carry a spare wheel, rather than take the cost of the new technology. Especially with muddy tracks and whatnot which just allows dirt and water fouling. 
+Modern tech is only useful with other modern tech. Not just in the vehicle, but the full supply chain. Unless you can manufacture the kit to make roller bearings, manufacture the roller bearings, install them, repair and replace them, and produce the skills and material resources required, AND it's still below the trade value of the goods used, then only then will people use them. 
+Read a Connecticut Yankee at King Arthur's Court by Mark Twain. It's about a factory foreman who gets isekai'd into early mediaeval England and introduces 1800s tech and attitudes which isn't always successful, and Twain explains why in detail. 
+[spoiler]The best part IMO is the secret B plot, where the Yankee starts off preaching enlightenment values of humanitarianism and Christian dignity, and gradually becomes a tyrant without noticing as the story progresses as the culture he's attempting to uplift drags him down[/spoiler]
+--- 57910440
+>>57910297
+This is incorrect. Crossbows could be a lot more powerful than bows, even accounting for their inefficiency. The thing is that for most of the time, the average crossbow wasn't that powerful, because more power means more weight, more complex drawing devices and slower rates of shot.
+However, those that did have highly complex mechanisms and insane draw weights definitely were a fuckload more powerful than even the heaviest of bows. Due to the inefficiencies, they didn't shoot their bolts at very high velocities, but they could shoot really fucking heavy bolts.
+--- 57910455
+>>57910426
+Fug I can't be trusted with slashes
+--- 57910473
+>>57910425
+>not even a minute to reply
+I apparently have, yeah.
+--- 57910514
+>>57910473
+Ok, bro. Keep coping about the Byzantines all you want to keep you happy.
+--- 57910624
+One medieval troop type that fascinates me is the partisan and shield wielding footsoldier of late medieval and renaissance-era northern Italy.
+Their armament seems to have consisted of:
+>one or more partisans
+>a sword, usually an arming- or sidesword from what I can tell, sometimes a falchion/storta
+>a shield, either a rotella or various larger types
+>a helmet, varying from skullcaps to various larger types, depending on the exact time period
+>a breastplate or brigandine
+>leg armour, often just a pair of greaves
+In theory at least, they were extremely versatile. Textual sources (such as Pietro Monte) describe them as having all sorts of different manners of fighting, such as using their partisans as heavy javelins and fighting almost like pseudo-legionaries, or fighting with the partisan as a one-handed spear, or even ditching the shield and using the partisan two-handed as a cut-and-thrust polearm, essentially a double-edged glaive. The aforementioned Monte even recommends throwing your shield at the enemy as a distraction.
+--- 57910699
+>>57910624
+--- 57910712
+>>57910699
+--- 57910731
+>>57910624
+Sounds like they wanted to larp as Hoplites, considering the renaissance and all.
+--- 57910808
+>>57910731
+It doesn't quite add up, chronologically speaking, because the troop type emerges before they get all larpy and all'antica. They definitely did notice the similarities though.
+My guess is that they were a sort of universal support troop. Got a cavalry engagement? These guys can kill horses like none other, since a partisan can create massive wounds that will even make a horse bleed out quickly. Got a push of pike coming up? Have them assist your pikes by softening the enemy up with some thrown partisans and then use them as swordsmen to exploit any gaps in the enemy line. Shit like that.
+--- 57910835
+>>57910249
+>No archers
+What was the point you was trying to make again? I forgot from all the goalpost moving you're doing.
+--- 57910851
+>>57910624
+Literally just spearmen.
+--- 57910891
+>>57903108
+Horse archers got badly raped in the First Crusade; had to totally shift to avoid the same raping in later crusades.
+--- 57910959
+>>57905109
+>partially trained younger men could ride smaller horses with smaller bows and spears as light cavalry to act as scouting / looting force for main army.
+Sounds like Nikephoros II Phocas did
+--- 57910975
+>>57910835
+I already pointed out that the texts say they had archers, because they were shooting people when on their raids. 
+Just because they don't appear in the art doesn't mean that they weren't there. After all, killing knights is impressive, killing archers isn't.
+Side note, the book that image is from calls the Guglers Englishmen (Engelender), downplaying the French French involvement (aside from the leadership and the French king paying them to do their raiding outside of France proper)
+--- 57911017
+>>57910891
+Not true, and what a meme photo. Shooting point-blank into a shield while the other retard waited to lower his spear while you approached lolol
+--- 57911018
+>1/3 Longbows
+>1/3 Heavy Spearmen
+>1/3 Light Cavalry 
+
+Prick, Stick, and Hit
+--- 57911045
+>>57910249
+>longbowmen could only penetrate the limb armor with lucky shots while swisschads impaled kniggers through their breastplates
+--- 57911192
+>>57911045
+>be heavily armored Swissfag
+>get a broadhead to the shoulder
+>can't hold your giant spear correctly
+>catch another arrow to knee and can't stand
+>get trampled by horses
+--- 57911362
+.>>57910249
+Still waiting for that proof of
+>a feat that would require too much speed, subterfuge and coordination for the English to accomplish
+You throw out a random irrelevant wild statement like that, and then you deflect it endlessly with even more random wild statements. When are you going to stop being so ridiculously butthurt?
+--- 57911433
+>>57902483
+Not to mention the Indians and Vietnamese
+--- 57911460
+>>57908817
+>piggyback off of French civil war
+Sure anon
+--- 57911472
+>>57911017
+Read a fucking book on the first Crusade dumb ass. It has multiple instances of Seljuks losing battles 2:1 or more in their favor while employing lots of horse archers.
+--- 57911476
+>>57910891
+what's the deal with having lamellar in addition to mail?
+--- 57911509
+>>57908984
+>forgetting Orleans, and Patay
+--- 57911550
+>>57911472
+Mostly because they ran away due to political infighting. Not because military defeat. Antioch is a prime example.
+--- 57915036
+Bump
+--- 57915076
+>>57910891
+>Horse archers got badly raped in the First Crusade
+And then the Crusaders got raped by horse archers of the subsequent crusades and desperately fielded their own light cavalry by hiring local christians.
+--- 57915169
+>>57915076
+I think the power of skirmishing is either deflated or inflated from time to time.
+Either it's so great the other side can't do anything about it, or it's just pure cope.

k/57902720.txt

@@ -56,3 +56,130 @@ wtf I had it too, I was expecting to open the thread to a shitpost image. shit's
 >>57903249
 >>57903324
 Oh god I did it too. I'm fucking dying.
+--- 57905115
+Based
+--- 57905140
+Why does it have winglets if it isn't performing re-entry? 
+Why is all Chinese propaganda made by technically illiterate monkeys?
+--- 57905161
+>>57905140
+How is this Chinese propaganda?
+--- 57905198
+>>57902720 (OP)
+>>The Chinese military could soon deploy an inter star system space dreadnought that travels at least three times the speed of light, according to a leaked U.S. military assessment, a development that would dramatically strengthen China’s ability to conduct interstellar operations.
+--- 57905241
+>>57902720 (OP)
+I'm pretty convinced these leaks are the us sussing out potential intel weakpoints by feeding dweebs bad info
+--- 57905261
+>>57905241
+Or get the Chinese to kill or imprison their own scientists and engineers as they try to find the leak.
+--- 57905307
+>>57902720 (OP)
+*tips satellites*
+>>57905241
+I know. Every time I see one of these completely organic chinkposts, I remind myself that they’re consistently stuck in this cycle of reverse engineering the USAs Cold War technology.
+--- 57905348
+>>57903211
+This. Locksneed needs more funding and my stocks need to go up.
+--- 57906087
+>>57905140
+You mean that leaked Pentagon files are Chinese propaganda?
+--- 57906178
+>>57903212
+>>57903222
+>replicated D-21
+
+D21 operates at 27km with ramjet
+WZ8 operates at 50km+ with rocket engine.
+>Muh copy
+How dumb can /k/ get?
+--- 57906256
+>>57906178
+D21 is real, WZ8 is a cardboard model, how dumb can chinks get?
+--- 57906273
+>>57906256
+>Mutts, having no arguments, move the goal post as they always do.
+--- 57906284
+>>57906273
+Why dont you prove him wrong by posting a real WZ8 and not pissing your pants and using a white mans meme you slant eyed han mongrel?
+--- 57906382
+>>57906273
+1964.
+--- 57906719
+>>57905261
+? US got the info from satellite imagery retard. not from spies
+--- 57906734
+>>57903191
+Elaborate
+--- 57906745
+>>57902720 (OP)
+>>The Chinese military could
+>>57902720 (OP)
+>could
+>>57902720 (OP)
+>Chinese
+>>57902720 (OP)
+>could
+Ching Ching Ching could cong ping pong king kong deng did dung done xi too pee poo. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Could. Implessive. Velly Implessive. Could big benis
+--- 57906755
+>>57902720 (OP)
+so a MIG-31
+--- 57907317
+>>57906745
+It was already revelaed back in 2019's parade. The Pentagon intel leak only confirmed It's capabilities
+--- 57907351
+>>57907317
+Ah shit, 1960s tech? I'm quakening in my booterinos.
+--- 57908697
+>>57902720 (OP)
+>changs finally reached american aerospace technology levels from 60 years ago
+burgerbros this is too funny
+--- 57909023
+>>57908697
+>>57907351
+Yet you still can't make hypersonic glide missiles. BAKA!
+--- 57909067
+>>57906273
+Nonexistence seems like a pretty hard goalpost when you're discussing the capabilities of a weapon.
+--- 57909080
+>>57909023
+We have them. Ours actually work, that's the difference. China has a Pershing II knockoff.
+--- 57909147
+>>57909080
+>Pershing II knockoff
+Absolute retard. Pershing II doesn't even glide
+--- 57909225
+>>57909023
+The US chooses not to develop HGVs because there's no need to. MIRVs can already saturate and penetrate missile defenses so that money can be better spent on developing airbreathing hypersonic cruise missiles, which exactly what they're doing.
+--- 57910235
+>>57909225
+So you mean you guys are willing to see those monsters destroy your aircraft carrier without resistance?
+--- 57910572
+>>57902720 (OP)
+you got anymore of them china related leaks?
+or is there a decent source? I only have the ukrainian ones. (and the one about the mossad instigating protests in israel lmao)
+--- 57910600
+>>57907317
+only to play devils advocate here, the pentagon is basically guessing just like we are, right? probably in some threat assessment formula where " multiply chinese wikipedia article numbers by 1.25 and divide by 1.17" or some crap like that.
+--- 57910717
+>>57902720 (OP)
+So they finally got around to reverse engineering that D-21?
+
+Cool, keep me posted OP.
+--- 57910743
+>>57906719
+That's what they want you to believe.
+>He hasn't heard of parallel construction
+--- 57910756
+>>57902720 (OP)
+You’ve 60s technology now! Nice job, last China thread I was in they were bragging about being able to refuel a carrier at sea, something America has been able to do since 1939
+--- 57910782
+>>57909147
+>maneuvering in flight without propulsion
+It quite literally glides.
+--- 57912387
+>>57909023
+we had dudes flying mach 2.5 in 1953 I am sure if they wanted to build it they could. they literally have grey aliens locked up in storage, building a missile that can do over mach 5 is childs play for the spooks
+--- 57914678
+>>57906178
+The point was that's not such an achievement if someone else managed something similar 60 years ago.

k/57902873.txt

@@ -58,3 +58,165 @@ Zulu had guns you clown.
 --- 57903598
 >>57903248
 Heavy cavalry and longbows weren't omnipresent throughout the middle ages.
+--- 57904008
+>The fault was not mine sir, Colonel Durnford must answer!
+--- 57904256
+>>57903344
+OP's question is dumb for many reasons, but I thought they got almost all of their guns from looting after Isandlwana. What did they have prior?
+--- 57904305
+>>57904256
+They had a tradition of flintlock hunting for a while when compared to their neighbors. I wonder how many British deaths were actually from firearms.
+--- 57904339
+>>57903235
+>nailed shut the ammo boxes because the darkies kept stealing ammo
+The more things change
+--- 57904341
+>>57903279
+>hehe guys they'd lose if all of the following happened
+Cope
+--- 57904400
+>>57904341
+>any medieval European army stomps Isandlwana.
+>but only if they weren't facing the conditions experienced at Isandlwana
+Not even him, but wut?
+--- 57904776
+>french/italian/belgian/german troops lose in africa against jezzail wielding guerrilla cavalry
+>lmao they lost against spearchuckers
+>bongs lose against literal ooga booga cavemen
+>YOU DON'T COMPREHEND THE FULL PICTURE!
+this is why everyone hates you, cause you're all arrogant pricks
+--- 57905016
+>>57903024
+>british empire
+ftfy
+--- 57905060
+>>57902873 (OP)
+>Literally any medieval European army stomps Isandlwana.
+Okay now tell me the last time a European army didnt get it's ass kicked
+--- 57905069
+>>57904776
+>everyone hates you
+Some shit eating euros on 4chan isn't everyone
+--- 57905113
+were the brits really making people wait in a long ass line with certificates in triplicate to get ammo? lel
+--- 57905119
+>>57902873 (OP)
+The Spanish did
+--- 57905174
+>>57902873 (OP)
+>Literally any medieval European army stomps Isandlwana.
+Most European countries haven't won a war since the 18th century... It's not that they couldn't per say defeat Africans in a war 
+It's that they wouldn't get the opportunity because they had already been outdone by better men
+--- 57905210
+>>57903235
+>quartermaster: oi ave you got an ammo loicense yer cheeky wanka
+--- 57905275
+>>57905016
+>>british empire
+>ftfy
+Wrong, Britain.
+
+"By 1850, at the apogee of its power, Britain had 1.8% of world population. The area of the
+British Isles is only about 0.16% of the world land mass. Yet Britain then produced two-thirds
+of world output of coal and one half of world production of cotton textiles and iron"
+
+https://faculty.econ.ucdavis.edu/faculty/gclark/ecn110b/readings/ecn110b-chapter2-2005.pdf
+--- 57905286
+>>57904776
+>Bongs also controlled 25% of the planet 
+That's why everyone hates us. Euro faggots just sucked at empire shit. Sorry your ancestors are faggots
+--- 57905358
+>>57905275
+>Thus by 1850 the Manchester area was producing about 40% of the world
+cotton textile production
+based as fuck
+--- 57905686
+>>57905069
+>>57905286
+Note how they don't even address their embarassing performance against fucking zulus of all
+--- 57905916
+>>57903248
+Do nogs have heavy cavalry?
+Do they have Longbowman/crossbowmen?
+yes
+--- 57906132
+>>57905174
+>per say
+--- 57906146
+>>57902873 (OP)
+But they didn't
+--- 57906155
+>>57906132
+Lmao
+--- 57906180
+>>57905916
+they did not.
+--- 57906209
+>>57903261
+That's not actually true. At one point they had several large kingdoms that were part of the Islamic world.
+--- 57906237
+>>57906209
+The Islamic golden age was built on the back of them invading christian lands and plundering the poor innocent Christians and enslaving Christians the first crusade ended it, the only reason they had wheels is because they stole the technology.
+--- 57906314
+>>57906180
+yes
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R45jfwhDzp4 [Embed]
+--- 57906336
+>>57906314
+lol, those weren't used by the zulus. the zulus were literal spear chuckers.
+--- 57906357
+>>57906314
+he literally says in the video that the crossbow wasnt used as a weapon of war, it's a device that just yeets a small poisoned stick a short distane away. It didnt have the range or penetrative power of a european medieval crossbow.
+--- 57906413
+>>57906357
+That's one type of many.All muslim africans had berber or arab style crossbow through trading with them
+--- 57906464
+>>57906413
+>All muslim africans
+so not the ones we are talking about then.
+--- 57906576
+>>57902873 (OP)
+Because equipping red coats with medieval style armor is hard to justify from a procurement perspective. It doesn't help against Britain's modern enemies who were armed with advanced rapid fire rifles. And it only helpful against primitive spear chucking adversaries if your troops are actually getting stabbed a lot...which outside of Isandlewana, they weren't.
+
+Armoring your guys up only makes sense if you're expecting an Isandlewana. But if you're expecting an Isandlewana, maybe it'd be more productive to summarily execute any of your invred officers who can't figure out how to circle the wagons.
+--- 57909333
+>>57902873 (OP)
+It probably just came up too rarely for them to bother with producing, distributing, carrying, and maintaining thousands of pieces of body armour to lessen casualties in battles they were winning 99% of anyway.
+--- 57909352
+>>57905358
+It's crazy how much such little cities were responsible for. Like Swansea (a tiny city rarely remembered even in the UK) was responsible for like 70% of the worlds copper production.
+--- 57910874
+>>57906357
+Don’t discount poison. In a book I read on African warfare, a slave raid expedition carried out by English pirates was thoroughly beaten by poison arrows and some African throwing hammers. I don’t recall exactly if crossbows were used but I know they were mentioned. Specifically, that the Yoruba had an indigenous crossbow but no more effective than the copies made when Arabs and Euros came.
+--- 57910942
+>>57905119
+>>57903321
+I'm coming at this from a very Conquistador, Conquest of the Americas lense since Mesoamerican history and archeology is what i'm into, but most conquistadors didn't have full suits of plate armor even necessarily steel breastplates and helmets either, a lot of them had to make do with Gambeson or just heavy cloth garments since Conquistadors paid for their own gear.
+
+So, say, the very best outfitted Conquistadors were signficantly more armored then say the best Aztec soldier, and the worst outfitted Conquistador would have worn more then Aztec porters or junior soldier, but in the middle or when not comparing people of equal status on both sides, many would have been comparably armored, since the Aztec also used gambeson, thick cloth warsuits, etc, albiet for their higher status soldiers. Some even had metal mail, though this was likely as much ceremonial then it was functional.
+
+Of course, Gambeson was still armor, and thick cloth without necessarily being gambeson could offer some protection too, but I guess my point is where does one draw the line exactly? Would the coats in >>57902873 (OP) not have arguably offered some protection as well?
+--- 57912048
+>>57903024
+Yes.
+--- 57915035
+>>57903279
+lol
+--- 57915046
+>>57904256
+lots of surplus smoothbore flintlock muskets, often poor quality or worn out.
+--- 57915052
+>>57902873 (OP)
+Damn. The chick at 5th from left. She bout to get her uterus absolutely whooped to the dirt by choclate dongs
+--- 57915056
+If you look at the accounts of the Aztec vs the Spaniards, a simple torso armor would greatly improve survivability despite the overwhelming numerical superiority.
+--- 57915065
+>>57906237
+>Implying
+Iran was a major backer of it, known by its contemporaries under the moniker of Persia.
+--- 57915083
+>>57902928
+And it’s also hot.
+--- 57915107
+>>57906237
+Nigger what ended the Islamic golden ages was infighting between various nobles, same shit that collapsed Rome and China and Alexander’s empire. The Crusades happened at a very fortunate time for them as the Seljuk Turks were warring with what was left of the Fatimids and the holy land was essentially a free for all at the time. Egypt wasn’t willing to get involved too much at the time, this would later change. I swear you niggers don’t have even a baseline knowledge of this shit beyond memes and maybe a YouTube video by CrusaderBro1488. Read some actual fucking scholarly material for fucking once. You fucking brain dead niggers make /his/ unusable and you should be euthanized.

k/57902945.txt

@@ -32,3 +32,225 @@ Here's that whole rifle in the display.
 Luv me m76
 --- 57903551
 Good morning to all 54R chads
+--- 57903905
+>>57903073
+Wunderbar. Looking forward to reading about it .
+--- 57903916
+>>57903182
+Thank you anon
+--- 57904040
+>>57903015
+Nice. Anyone used the B&T handguard? Kinda interested in doing an Estonian clone
+--- 57904059
+>>57903916
+yw anon. Last one, wish I knew the years these were each made. Would be nice to nail down the changes for the BG rifles.
+--- 57904254
+>>57904059
+For instance the lower one seems to be the newer iteration based on the palmswell and the relief in the stock, and it was from '74. But I've seen prototype plum furniture for '74s that had the same ribbed palmswell as the top.
+--- 57904268
+>>57903927
+--- 57904270
+>>57904254
+>But I've seen prototype plum furniture for '74s that had the same ribbed palmswell as the top.
+For that reference
+--- 57904317
+>>57903015
+I want to buy ARM parts kit, but damn those JRA galils seem like a reasonable buy. No chance I buy a parts kit, frame, barrel, and hire gun smith for under 1k
+--- 57904537
+>>57904313
+--- 57905151
+>>57904254
+>>57904059
+That's neat. It wouldn't be surprising to learn that different small teams were working within the larger development group to prototype these features in parallel.
+--- 57905258
+>>57903551
+What the Hell is That....
+What the Fuck is That!!
+Theres a Fucking Rust Spot On Your Weapon!!!
+Put Your Throat In My Hand!
+I Said... Put Your Fucking Throat... In My Hand!!!
+--- 57905963
+>>57902945 (OP)
+/aka/?
+--- 57906121
+>>57905258
+It's a bit of oil kek
+--- 57907482
+>>57907397
+Did you bend that charging handle?
+--- 57907492
+>>57907482
+bait
+--- 57907721
+>>57907538
+Lovely, just lovely
+--- 57907946
+>>57907538
+>>57907721
+Krinkbros....
+Sending off my stamps tomorrow, gonna get into contact with my builder soon. Beryl pistol grip finally coming in this week. All my projects are finally coming to a close, all that will remain is my saiga conversion, which will also be the biggest pain in the ass. After that, maybe a milled M72, and then AKs will finally take a backseat when it comes to gun stuff. It's been a fun couple years.
+--- 57908059
+>>57907721
+Thanks. M92s are a riot to shoot. 
+>>57907946
+Glad to hear your projects are wrapping up. I thought I was done too when I got my form 1 and had the barrel chopped on my 104ur but a new project is already underway. It will be my first Russian rifle but it’s a lot more unusual than an AK.
+--- 57908158
+>>57908059
+>a lot more unusual than an AK
+? Do tell
+I'm gonna try and get all Russian components for my saiga, definitely gonna take a while, but I'm cool with it, want her to come out right.
+--- 57908293
+>>57908158
+You’re going about it the right way. As rare as the parts are I see them pop up quite often on the files. It’s an Izmash Biathlon 7-4 rifle. I want to get more into biathlon after dabbling in it a bit because it combines two of my favorite activities, shooting and XC skiing.
+--- 57908379
+>>57903551
+Morning
+--- 57908622
+Anybody have a WBP Mini Jack they’d want to trade for an unconverted saiga 308? It’s posted on akfiles and tacswap
+--- 57908771
+>>57904317
+Not worth it anon trust me. The ATI and JRA receivers are trash. Occasionally ARM kits still pop up on the files for 400
+--- 57908775
+>>57904317
+Might not be idea if it comes with a warranty
+--- 57909004
+>>57908771
+An ARM kit sold on the files yesterday for $350. It was in good shape to.
+--- 57909442
+>>57906121
+What The Fucking Hell Did You Say To Me Puke!
+>It's a bit of oil kek
+You Say... 'It's a bit of oil kek' SIR!
+Now Get On Your Face And Give Me 200 Lard Ass!
+
+Then Clean That Rust Off Your Weapon ...
+Then Scrub The Head!
+Your Rifle And The Head Better Be So Clean That The Virgin Mary Herself Would Be Proud To Hold That Rifle While Taking A Shit In My Latrine.
+--- 57909468
+>>57908731
+enjoy trash accuracy and potential keyholing
+--- 57909668
+Where should I start looking for an SBR AK? I see a lot of Arsenals
+--- 57909713
+>>57909442
+I don't think I will, sir.
+Accusing me of having even a single spot of rust on any of my guns warrants death.
+--- 57910417
+>>57909713
+>>57909442
+Lololol
+--- 57911328
+>>57903073
+anon says squatter's rights!
+--- 57911441
+>>57903551
+The PSL might be way over priced, but at least the finish is terrible and it’s super over gassed
+--- 57911494
+>>57909668
+Who buys an sbr? Buy a pistol and do it yourself fed boy
+--- 57911596
+Beryl 5.56 or 7.62, which one guys?
+--- 57911637
+>>57911596
+5.56, not even debatable.
+--- 57911654
+>>57911596
+>>57911637
+sorry wrong pic
+--- 57911725
+>>57911494
+I guess I could buy a metal engraving kit or take it somewhere, but I don't want to "manufacture" one if I don't have to
+--- 57912298
+>>57911725
+Form 1s take 30-90 days on average to clear. Form 4s are at 280 and rising. Just so you know.
+--- 57912350
+>>57911596
+literally why get 7.62
+--- 57912384
+>>57902945 (OP)
+She done, can't wait to paint it and get it to the range.
+--- 57912456
+>>57912384
+Finally! Congrats, anon.
+--- 57912475
+>>57912384
+Which one are you?
+--- 57912498
+>>57912456
+Thanks, my builder did a great job with some of the problems the kit started with!
+>>57912475
+?
+--- 57912513
+Autist anon with the books, did you ever find anything out about factory 56 in China?
+--- 57912514
+Stupid question - do you guys have a preference for how you attach your sling to front of your rifle? I'm thinking of HK style something like Blue Force Gear for disconnecting purposes. Maybe figure out a QD in the future.
+--- 57912531
+>>57912514
+Don't use an HK clip, they easily unclip themselves.
+--- 57912566
+>>57912513
+It's made by Norinco, they used 100 different factory markings on their guns so foreign nations would think their manufacturing capability was far greater than it actually was. Same as with military unit numbers, it misleads the enemy.
+>>57912531
+I've never had a mash hook unclip itself, the rear hk sling hooks are bad though.
+--- 57912604
+>>57903015
+How’s yours shoot? Was your front sight globe bent to shit? I haven’t shot mine yet. Hopefully will this weekend.
+--- 57912620
+I think I fucked up by getting the ALG trigger for my first AK that's coming in soon. Yeah it's a great trigger, but I'm worried that it's gonna look ugly as hell in a rifle that I'm putting together solely for looks. 
+
+>>57903073
+I aspire for my underfolder to look as nice as yours
+--- 57912776
+>>57912531
+What do you think is a good way to make it QD?
+--- 57912862
+>>57912498
+>?
+Which fucked 74 build was your's and what are the details of your unfucked 74 build.
+--- 57913019
+>>57912862
+Alrighty:
+>matching ((10)) kit built on an Ohio Ordinance Works receiver that are known to be poorly heat treated
+>front trunnion holes egged, rivets improperly installed. Rivets were welded to trunnion as well
+>barrel and trunnion wiggled in the receiver
+>bolt had locking lugs grinded down (!!). Replaced with NOS Bulgarian bolt
+
+I had my builder tear it down and rebuild it on a Childers receiver and swap out the fixed stock trunnion for an AK-Builder folding trunnion and triangle stock.
+--- 57913046
+>>57912776
+If you want a QD sling might as well just get a handguard with a QD slot and use that. Otherwise I'd just stick with traditional slings if you're sticking with wood.
+--- 57913118
+Opinion on the ATI high capacity mags?
+I know they have been around for a while with the AR ones.
+--- 57913688
+bump
+--- 57913909
+>>57912604
+Havent shoot it yet, like you hopefully this weekend. Globe was indeed bent to shit which is very very common, I haven't even seen a straight one. Always bent the right, I reckon its because the sight screws are offset in relation to each other
+--- 57914065
+Got the call today that she was ready to come home
+--- 57914362
+>>57914065
+ah now thats pretty
+--- 57914516
+>>57914065
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2eBVCfD6TM [Embed]
+
+yours is better
+--- 57914519
+>>57912620
+thanks bro! you're ak will look great, go for what feels best to you.
+--- 57914542
+>>57912620
+I took my ALG out for that reason
+--- 57914575
+>>57914362
+Where do you think the best place to source a proper tracksuit would be?
+--- 57914687
+>>57914575
+Just get an adidas track suit
+--- 57914946
+>>57912620
+I dont think it hurts the looks much but to each his own
+--- 57915144
+>>57902945 (OP)

k/57903345.txt

@@ -11,15 +11,6 @@ but faster, more energetic, rounds can cause tissue to expand past what they can
 though this is the case for rifle rounds rather than pistol rounds
 >9mm and .357 equally lethal
 as most hunters will tell you, theres penetration into flesh can make the difference in how long you need to chase an animal around before it dies
---- 57903377
->>57903345 (OP)
-Fackler's view on the temporary stretch cavity's relevance in wounding is based on his extensive experience as a military surgeon and ballistic researcher. He believes that the temporary stretch cavity has little significance in determining the severity of a gunshot wound because it is a transient phenomenon that does not cause permanent tissue damage.
-
-Fackler's paradigm is based on the concept of permanent cavitation, which refers to the hole or channel created by the bullet as it passes through the tissue. Permanent cavitation is what causes the majority of the damage in a gunshot wound, as it disrupts vital organs and tissues, and can cause massive bleeding. Fackler argues that the temporary stretch cavity does not cause significant damage to tissues because it does not disrupt the structural integrity of the tissue or cause any permanent damage.
-
-While it is true that the temporary stretch cavity can cause some temporary disruption to tissue function, Fackler argues that it is not significant enough to affect the lethality of a gunshot wound. The severity of a gunshot wound is determined by the extent of permanent cavitation and the resulting tissue damage, not by the temporary stretch cavity.
-
-Regarding your example, Fackler would not say that a 9mm and .357 mag have the same lethality based on their ability to create a temporary stretch cavity. Instead, he would look at the permanent cavitation created by each bullet and the resulting tissue damage to determine their relative lethality.
 --- 57903431
 >>57903345 (OP)
 As anon already said, it depends entirely on the energy in the round itself. At some point the ability of your tissues to survive that expansion is put into question and then it starts mattering.
@@ -48,3 +39,845 @@ Are you sure about that? What evidence is that based on?
 --- 57903624
 >>57903611
 It was revealed to me in a dream.
+--- 57903674
+>>57903431
+>As anon already said, it depends entirely on the energy in the round itself
+Within the average range of masses bullets come in, if it's not going 2400 fps or faster that extra energy foot pounds isn't going to translate into bigger permanent wounds. Any bullet going less than that is just going to punch a hole the size of it's diameter in you. it is over that speed that flesh starts tearing and temporary wound cavities start becoming permanent.
+
+9mm, .45, 10mm, .357 sig, etc etc, penetrating the same given distance, are all going to have negligible differences in terminal performance. Leaving the real min/max'ing factor to chase being how many holes you put in someone.
+
+For the non min/max'er, chose the one you like, find a load that will expand well and penetrate 12 inches of ballistics gel, and you're 90% as good as anything else.
+--- 57903703
+>>57903345 (OP)
+>According to Fackler's paradigm a 9mm and .357 mag would have basically the same lethality, for example.
+Provided they both penetrated as far into the body and traveled along the same paths, yes.
+It's the truth, anything else is Fudd Lore.
+It astounds me that this has been known since the 70's but the public consciousness of the gun enthusiasts world has taken this long to accept it.
+--- 57903777
+>>57903345 (OP)
+>>57903674
+The relative difference in .380's and .45's diameter should at least cause a statistically significant increase in effectiveness right?
+That's a 40.2% increase in the area of the wound.
+--- 57903813
+>>57903345 (OP)
+Okay, time to speak as someone who researched some of this shit.
+
+One should be careful to avoid confusing the preliminary, overreaching hypotheses created during the infancy of wound ballistics research with the ultimate determinations. Fackler actually revised his position after an experiment where he fired a small caliber brass bullet -backwards- at high velocity into a pig so it impacted flat base first. He also more or less refers to temporary cavitation damage in his comments about the THV bullets (though remained dismissive of the THV design in particular due to overall inferior performance).
+
+Temporary stretch cavity CAN cause permanent damage - situation depending. The magnitude of temporary cavitation appears to be primarily dependent on a bullet’s instantaneous velocity, frontal area, and form factor (I’d call this the tissue drag coefficient although I don’t know if that would be strictly accurate). The temporary cavity must continue to overcome the resilience of the affected tissue as it radiates away from the main track in order to continue causing damage.
+
+Some tissues are more flexible than others. Muscle, lung, and large blood vessels are much more resistant to stretch than such organs like the liver, kidneys, brain and pancreas. Organs that are full of fluid (e.g. filled heart) can be much more vulnerable even if they would resist TSC well when empty. Small masses of tissue don’t resist TSC as well, there’s not as much flesh to contain the stretching and an equivalent force will move a smaller mass more.
+
+*Effective* fragmentation reduces the resiliency of tissue considerably. Think about it like poking holes in a rubber band or cutting holes out of a sheet of paper. The same TSC can do far more damage in conjunction with good fragmentation.
+--- 57903822
+>>57903345 (OP)
+>tissue suddenly and instantaneously compressed
+No biggie
+--- 57903861
+>>57903345 (OP)
+>>57903813
+Cont.
+
+What does that mean in practice? 12 gauge shotgun slugs absolutely do cause heavy TSC damage, this is not hard to figure out. Large frontal area, adequate form factor, and good maintenance of velocity cause broad wounding even in the absence of high impact velocity and fragmentation.
+
+Rifle rounds that expand generally cause a degree of temporary cavitation in flexible tissues, in fact it’s of prime importance as their crush cavities tend to not be all that big compared to handgun JHPs, but rifle rounds that only yaw have much more limited effects. In the case of intermediate calibers I would expect little to no TSC damage from yaw-only projectiles. Rifle rounds that fragment well usually cause very extensive TSC damage. Practically all rifle rounds that don’t just travel point forwards (i.e. must at least yaw) can cause very broad wounding in inflexible organs.
+
+Service caliber handgun rounds generally do not cause noticeable TSC damage in flexible tissues unless they sacrifice in areas of their design that make them effective crush wounders. They can still cause some stretch damage to inflexible organs.
+
+.357 Magnum is more of an edge case out of a revolver, it can reach into the area where it causes some noticeable TSC damage but this requires a pissin hawt loading (Dr. Roberts, a colleague of Fackler’s, claims ~1600 FPS+) assuming good expansion and maintenance of velocity. Obviously handgun cartridges significantly more powerful than .357, like .44 Magnum and .454 Casull, can cause plenty of TSC damage with good bullet design.
+--- 57903872
+>>57903813
+>Okay, time to speak as someone who researched some of this shit.
+Can you cite some of his research? Preferably stuff that's not behind a pay wall.
+I'd be interested to get some actual data on this by someone who can back up his conclusions rather than just repeating what they've heard on /k/ as I presume >>57903703 and >>57903674 are (if you guys are not then feel free to cite some sources too).
+--- 57903890
+>>57903813
+>Some tissues are more flexible than others. Muscle, lung, and large blood vessels are much more resistant to stretch than such organs like the liver, kidneys, brain and pancreas.
+Just goes back to shot placement being what matters in terms of handgun ammunition. If you perforate someone's heart or brains, you're already causing lethal damage regardless of temporary stretching of the tissue.
+--- 57904038
+>>57903872
+Sure, although I don't keep my sources and images saved on my PC.
+THV bullet comments are unfortunately behind a paywall but I was able to download it for free with a free trial (now expired).
+https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF01255849
+
+Basically what happened is that the bullets hit the test pig and created holes larger than themselves but lost velocity so quickly that by the time they reached the vital organs the wound cavity had shrunk to being little if any larger than the projectile. Overall projectile penetration capabilities seemed poor.
+
+Fackler in a nutshell comments that this isn't new but also isn't really enough to merit serious consideration.
+
+I believe this is the base-forward bullet pig study:
+https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/3339702/
+
+From what I recall, Fackler says yes it turns out SCHV can produce temporary cavitation damage with an appropriate shape, even without fragmentation. However he also states this isn't relevant for a pointed projectile.
+
+Lack of temporary cavitation damage with a yawing intermediate caliber round can be seen here:
+https://web.archive.org/web/20090219104944/http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Fackler_Articles/ak74_wounding_potential.pdf
+
+Mercifully this is not paywalled.
+
+Here are some of Fackler's comments on the wound profiles of various military rifle FMJs - searching up "Military Assault Rifle Wound Profiles" will give you photos of some of the corresponding wound profiles.
+
+https://uthr.org/SpecialReports/spreport30%20Addendum.htm
+
+Keep in mind again that knowledge of wound ballistics at the time of the creation of this document was not as complete as it is now - M855 for example seems to be less consistent than M193.
+
+Explanations of TSC factors are found, I believe, in the IWBA articles and MacPherson's Bullet Penetration, I have access to both but don't feel like poring through them right now, you can pretty much just look up the equation for drag resistance for a quick summary of it.
+
+TBC
+--- 57904151
+>>57903872
+>>57904038
+Cont.
+
+I believe this is where I found Dr. Roberts' statements on the approximate TSC threshold for .357 Magnum, though it might have come from another thread that I happened upon where he said something to similar effect:
+https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?34904-Temporary-Cavitation-Wounding-Rifle-vs-Pistol&p=841160&viewfull=1#post841160
+
+Picrel is the first google image I found for "12 gauge slug wound" (in this case 2 of them). Wound channels end up being much wider than the projectiles themselves.
+
+Here's an example of wounding from a monolithic copper .223 hollowpoint. There was some notable bone fragmentation in the first which may increase wounding, but the bullet itself does not usually fragment.
+
+https://www.ballisticstudies.com/Knowledgebase/Wound+Database/.224+cal+-+Barnes+TSX.html
+
+Funnily enough I was just using this earlier as a demonstration of how minimal rifle wounding can be, it really doesn't look all that much better than a top tier .45 JHP to me. That being said, these holes are still considerably larger than the bullet itself at their widest, the TSC would be the obvious explanation.
+
+You can find other photos and anecdotes of TSX and bonded soft point performance too. I remember a picture of RA556B wounding through a deer ribcage, I think the entrance was about ~1.5-2" at its widest, so much wider than the bullet even if slightly modest as a whole. By the time it was exiting the wound had shrunk down to expanded bullet sized. Ribcage entrances are not necessarily indicative of lung wounding but can provide a clue. Unfortunately I cannot find this photo again but I do have several other accounts of modest but wider-than-bullet wounding from 64 gr BSB (bullet used in RA556 loading).
+
+TBC
+--- 57904182
+>>57903674
+that's really fuckin weird because 400 grain projectiles fired going like 1400 fps from a 45/70 causes some truly gruesome wounding that goes far beyond what merely creating a 45 caliber hole would do
+--- 57904281
+>>57903345 (OP)
+>>57904151
+Cont.
+
+Here is 77 gr TMK wounding at less than 100 yards from a 16" barrel. Similar or slower impact speed, same caliber, but the different qualities of the bullet allow it to inflict far more damage than the 55 gr TSX I posted earlier. This example is a bit extreme but 4" wide wounding at 16" barrel impact velocities are pretty much the norm.
+
+Here is an example of TSC wounding from a ~.44 Magnum level hardcast bullet, actually a .45 Colt here.
+
+https://www.shootersforum.com/attachments/45coltlungs-jpg.10431/
+
+The permanent wound channel in fact seems pretty modest, be careful to make the distinction between the lung bruising and the actual tissue destruction, also a bullet that hits at an angle can make the wound look larger in one dimension when looking at the exit on the surface of the organ. This is a bit hard to explain in words but should be pretty self evident if you take a moment to visualize it. Nevertheless the holes made are still larger than the non-expanding bullets.
+
+Why? In this case the impact velocity is relatively low (~1300 FPS) and the frontal area is not *that* great, however the bullet has an extremely good form factor (flat point is about as good as it gets) so it can still do something.
+
+Hopefully this has been a good demonstration of some levels (yawing small rifle, expanding small rifle, expanding + fragmenting small rifle, shotgun slug, magnum class handgun hardcast) of TSC wounding. I can find even more pictures if you are interested, I just don't want to run halfway across the internet and back right now since as I mentioned I don't keep most of these photos saved and pretty much just have to work off of memory alone.
+--- 57904326
+>>57903345 (OP)
+>>57904182
+To continue on, let me address some other comments, starting here. Yes, clearly if 300 gr non-expanding hardcasts from a .45 Colt at 1400 FPS can cause temporary cavitation damage to elastic organs, than 400 gr bullets at 1400 FPS from a .45-70 can also produce larger-than-projectile wounding. Your perception is not inaccurate.
+
+>>57903435
+I believe I am familiar with the IWBA article you are speaking of, a police officer posed this question about immediate incapacitations.
+
+Yes a sufficiently strong temporary cavity can disable nerves, up to and including the spinal cord. I suspect (but have yet to prove) that a nonlethal shot to the bones of the face might also induce concussion through bone conduction, rather akin to knocking someone out with a punch. However I do not consider incapacitation through temporary nerve concussion to be remotely reliable in a general manner of speaking, I'm sure there are plenty of documented cases and anecdotes that bear this out. Note also that JHPs and JSPs produce the widest temporary cavity at shallower depths and by the time the bullet has penetrated deeply the TSC will have tapered down considerably.
+
+What Fackler really should have been questioning instead though was his sacred rule that the brain still has enough blood in it to allow for 10-15 seconds of effective action after the heart stops delivering any oxygen. Honestly I don't know exactly how this supposition was devised, the earliest source that I can track it back to was some ballistics workshop where no actual evidence or testing results were presented; there was one example given as support where a man's heart was destroyed by a shotgun and he still ran 60-65 feet, but the big fucking issue here is that it does not take 10-15 seconds to run 60-65 feet (especially when considering the distance through simple momentum he might have traveled after falling forward forward at the end of his run).
+
+TBC.
+--- 57904366
+>>57903345 (OP)
+>>57903435
+Cont.
+
+So I don't know how they actually reached this "10-15 sec" conclusion, there is seemingly no experimental or practical evidence to support it and quite a lot against it really. Honestly what I think they may have done, and this might sound insultingly simple, is that they simply calculated how much blood is in the brain at one time, figured out the amount of oxygen contained in that volume of blood, and divided that by the brain's oxygen consumption per second. Do that and you get about ~13 seconds.
+
+Except there are several really big problems with this. First only about a third of that blood is actually in the capillaries of the brain where it can be immediately used, about a third is in the veins (it's gone) and about a third is in the arteries where maybe some of it could theoretically flow into the capillaries with residual flow, but probably usually doesn't.
+
+Also, only about 60% of the oxygen in blood can actually be effectively used as I recall, once it drops to about 40% saturation it stops being transferred effectively. Furthermore the blood already in the capillaries is going to be at varying stages of oxygen depletion.
+
+Additionally consciousness =/= effective action, stuff like vision, coordination, and general awareness appears to start going downhill really fast as soon as oxygen perfusion of the brain decreases. On that note, even if the blood still has usable oxygen left in it, I would expect the transfer rate to decrease as the oxygen is increasingly used up.
+
+Now what I just said above is maybe for relevant for incapacitation in regards to humans, I suspect deer and most quadrupeds are somewhat more resistant to hypovolemic shock due to their smaller brains and more horizontal body structure (blood column doesn't necessarily have to fight against gravity as much), on the flip side perhaps more vulnerable to temporary CNS shock as previously mentioned.
+--- 57904420
+>>57903345 (OP)
+Unless your temporary cavitation is massive or inside something quite weak and sensitive like the brain( but at that point you have other problems) it shouldnt do much but rupture capilaryes.
+--- 57904434
+>>57903345 (OP)
+temporary cavity in ballistics gel is irrelevant
+eviscerated and hemorrhaged external tissue that extends from the initial bullet cavity doesnt happen until you get to rifle velocity above 2000fps, old english african big game hunters had a standardized velocity limit that whatever cartridge you use, from 9.6 to .375 or 505, the heaviest bullet you use has to have a muzzle velocity of at least 2300 fps in order to maintain its wound abilities within 100 yards
+--- 57904446
+>>57903345 (OP)
+>>57903777
+Cont.
+
+Statistically significant would imply that someone has actually conducted a study and performed multivariate analysis, then isolated the effectiveness coefficient of caliber alone and adjusted for standard error and uncertainty, etc.
+
+Now has this been done? Eh kind of, I'm aware of one study that evaluated lethality vs caliber (Ellifritz does not count it's not a proper study), unfortunately it's pretty bad. It does find that .45 ACP was more lethal than 9mm and .380 but the individual coefficients of the calibers are not given, although one can probably infer that .45 ACP's coefficient was likely greater than the smaller calibers. That being said, the study also missed a lot of important variables like bullet design - there is often much more difference WITHIN a caliber than between calibers - and exact organ struck and was conducted by anti-gun retards, I would not consider it a fantastic piece of scientific literature. 
+
+I should also point out that .380 bullets are in fact actually ~.355" wide so the .45 ACP starts out with a ~60% advantage in area. But what really matters is the frontal area after expansion, and here .380 accomplishes an average diameter (petal distance + valley distance /2) of about 0.45" out of standard pocket pistol barrel lengths with Hydra-Shok Deep, we could be generous and say 0.5" out of a longer barrel, while 230 gr HST +P expands to about 0.8" out of a 5" barrel. So that's ~2.5-3x the frontal area.
+
+Is that relevant? All logic to me would suggest that it is, is a .45 HST better than a .45 FMJ? Clearly, so it should also be better than a .380 JHP.
+
+Now with 9mm vs .45 it's more like 0.6" vs 0.8", so about 75% more area for the .45. Dr. Fackler thought this was significant, Dr. Roberts somewhat grudgingly admits that it's better but minimizes its importance, although maybe his past actions suggest a bit different. Personally I think yes but it's not enormous, they're more or less within the same league.
+--- 57904469
+>>57904182
+past a certain point the mass and size/diameter causes massive tearing beyond just the cavity, old civil war era minie ball rifles, 45-70, 50-70, but thats from it just physically ripping and tearing muscle and bone, you dont get that meat jello wound effect until you get to modern smokeless rifle velocities
+--- 57904476
+Temporary cavity only matters when either you hit an organ or tissue that can not stretch well (brain tissue, nerves, liver, etc.) or the stretching is so extensive, the tissue is basically ripped, at which point it is now a permanent wound anyways,
+With handguns, name of the game has always been shot placement and penetration. Wounding is nearly irrelevant with adequate shot placement.
+--- 57904533
+>>57904476
+Any tissue is succeptible to damage, if you hit it hard enough.
+--- 57904577
+>>57903435
+>There was hypothesis that fragile organs like brain (including spinal cord) are actually vulnerable against temporal cavity. That explains instant animal drops whencl hit with powerful rounds. Spinal cord is caught into area of temporal cavity and this causes paralysis, animal drops and then bleeds out.
+There's also another theory that states that high energy impact inside the body can cause oscillations inside the brain via blood vessels that cause concussion-like effects up to a knockout. The effectiveness of this overlaps with the temporary cavity formation but is not directly related to each other. This would explain cases where the animal was shot, especially at the torso away from the spine, drops immediately and then while you're walking up to it suddenly wakes up and dashes away even though you thought it was dead.
+--- 57904672
+>>57904577
+I'll reiterate what I said from the last thread where I talked about this. Hydrostatic shock is not generally accepted nor even viewed as all that credible in most established wound ballistics circles, the founders of this theory have a habit of shilling it to every ignorant medical journal and wikipedia editor who will listen but it's been stated by other SMEs who've reviewed their work that the evidence for it is lacking. Personally I don't know that it is impossible but I am highly skeptical that it is all that relevant for any bullet where the local physical effects wouldn't be enough to induce incapacitation all on their own.
+
+The effect you describe can easily be attributed however to spinal cord stretching/concussion through temporary cavity, it is a well known and accepted phenomenon.
+
+>>57904469
+This is simply temporary cavity and I have not seen it explained any other way in academic circles. Big slow bullets make temporary cavities just like small fast bullets do, and if that temporary cavity is great enough, then it will destroy tissue. I will repeat that velocity is not the only factor affecting TSC magnitude, frontal area and shape also play big roles. Could velocity be particularly and independently more likely to cause peripheral bruising, maybe, I don't know because I don't really care. But wounds wider than the bullet in soft tissues are, again, caused by the tissue "splash" effect of temporary cavitation tearing and pulping stuff outside of what the bullet directly contacts.
+
+@OP, for reference, these are all my comments in one place:
+>>57903813
+>>57903861
+>>57904038
+>>57904151
+>>57904281
+>>57904326
+>>57904366
+>>57904446
+
+Frankly if you just read these and ignore most of the remainder of this thread I think you can get a passing knowledge of temporary cavitation effects. I may be being pretentious but I strongly suspect I have spent a good bit more time contemplating this subject than pretty much anyone else here. If I do say so myself.
+--- 57904690
+>>57904672
+>pretentious
+Saying your head is so far up your ass you can smell your own breath would be more accurate. Profoundly unpleasant.
+--- 57904745
+>>57904690
+I guess you haven't spent much time on this board or you're just inclined to take particular offense here but you can call it what you like. I'll consider myself to have earned as much right at this point.
+--- 57904755
+>>57903345 (OP)
+>gel tests
+
+niggas aren't made of jello.
+--- 57904765
+>>57903345 (OP)
+>9mm and .357 mag would have basically the same lethality
+
+This is 100% true.
+--- 57904771
+>>57904745
+Whatever protects your disgusting, decrepit ego.
+--- 57904850
+>>57904771
+Would you rather I call you a faggot or a tranny for the smallest thing like half the board does? My statements may have been blunt but I consider them to be neither untrue nor unnecessarily insulting. Considering the vast amount of bad or incomplete info that gets spread around and the general ignorance of the subject, I think it fair to emphasize my own efforts for someone who is looking to learn about the topic and, as he stated, doesn't want to just listen to common conceptions that get repeated ad nauseam.
+--- 57904872
+>>57904038
+>>57904038
+Thanks mate, both for the sources and the summaries.
+--- 57904891
+>>57904038
+>I don't keep my sources and images saved on my PC.
+of course you don't/s
+--- 57904899
+>>57904872
+No problem. Appreciate your interest and willingness to listen.
+--- 57905032
+>>57904672
+I thought this was a meme too because 1. 5.56 military adoption history into vietnam is questionable and special forces bitched about its lack of stopping power. But tell that to gaige grosskreutz arm. thats a situation of 3 clean shoots that had the desired effect. 6.5 creedmoor has the desireable flight pattern of 5.56 and desireable terminal ballistic effects at farther range, since it obeys the older 6mm rule.
+
+At the end of the day the factors are so varied such as mandelbrot set, butterfly effect and chaos theory that some of it has to come down to luck or enshallah, such as gaige grosskreutz arm, that you have to start believing in a higher power or we live in a matrix. Thats the reasonable conclusion anyone that lives their life risking the biscuit on the daily has come to.
+--- 57905096
+>>57904672
+>most established wound ballistics circles
+If those "most established wound ballistics circles" are people like you then it's no wonder any discussions are forbidden and anything that disrupts the meaningless echo chamber is hounded out asap.
+>The effect you describe can easily be attributed however to spinal cord stretching/concussion through temporary cavity, it is a well known and accepted phenomenon.
+Except for those cases where the hit's not anywhere near the spinal chord, which happens quite often and there's no explanation in "most established wound ballistics circles" besides handwaving excuses like "it would never happen, because i said so".
+
+You're an obnoxious dilettante that pretends to be smart by fanatically spamming the most bland, stale opinion as some kind of all-encompassing, overwhelming truth.
+--- 57905154
+>>57905032
+This is explained in my previous comments. Damage as seen to Grosskreutz's arm was the effect of temporary cavitation, in this case also acting in concert with bullet fragmentation on a smaller mass of tissue (the bicep muscle) which results in even more severe wounding.
+
+Fragmentation-assisted temporary cavitation damage is well known and repeatable (or about as repeatable and consistent as the bullet itself is, anyway). It was observed that M193 used in Afghanistan frequently inflicted more grievous wounding than the nonfragmenting 7.62 M80 ball that US forces used. Another article in an IWBA issue actually directly analyzes and compares fragmenting 5.56 FMJ vs nonfragmenting 7.62 FMJ wounds seen from a single unfortunate incident (Port Arthur massacre) and finds the 5.56 wounds to be more severe. In Kyle's case, it's likely that the 55 gr FMJ bullets used fragmented in all 3 targets and caused that kind of extensive wounding.
+
+Hydrostatic shock is a completely different theory, basically that the bullet's shock is transferred through blood vessels and ruptures organs far away that neither the bullet nor its immediate temporary cavity ever even touched. This is something that is much less proven.
+
+>6.5 creedmoor has the desireable flight pattern of 5.56 and desireable terminal ballistic effects at farther range
+Yes, 6.5 Creedmoor designs can be made to expand (and perhaps fragment depending on the design) out to long ranges, which allows them to inflict substantial temporary cavitation damage out to quite some distance. That and they also maintain velocity pretty well.
+
+Absent any kind of fragmentation and/or expansion, TSC damage is drastically reduced in flexible tissues. At close range, yaw-only M80 bullets do seem to cause some TSC damage but they're markedly inefficient, I expect nondeforming 6.5 may be similar. That being said, it is certainly a large enough bullet that a yawing 6.5 round even a low velocity is not exactly good for one's health.
+--- 57905168
+>>57905154
+>and ruptures organs far away
+Why do you make an effort to lie when you try to discredit a subject you claim to be familiar with?
+--- 57905182
+>>57905096
+>Except for those cases where the hit's not anywhere near the spinal chord, which happens quite often and there's no explanation in "most established wound ballistics circles" besides handwaving excuses like "it would never happen, because i said so".
+Ok, how about this:
+-Pain and psychological causes vasodilation in the brain causing blood to drain immediately
+-Animal falls down because it hurts and doesn't want to do anything
+-Circumstances and chance collude to make hypovolemic shock extremely fast, I have discussed that a bit more earlier.
+
+The rest of your comment is not worth addressing.
+--- 57905187
+>>57905168
+Oh, do you really want to quibble over this? Rupture, cause only temporary concussion, varying degrees of permanent or transient trauma - the base process being described is still there.
+--- 57905207
+>>57905182
+>Pain and psychological causes vasodilation in the brain causing blood to drain immediately
+There's no proof of that, ever. You're claiming things that are much less supported than the notions of hydrostatic shock theories at this point.
+>Animal falls down because it hurts and doesn't want to do anything
+Doesn't happen either, animals don't work like that. Leave that cope to deflecting arguments about humans.
+>Circumstances and chance collude
+What a bunch of gibberish.
+
+You are a know-nothing idiot that does nothing but states basics as all-encompassing truth in your mindless conformism. You're a disgrace and don't deserve to be posting, let alone with the gall you project here.
+--- 57905212
+>>57905187
+Yes i do, because you won't find a single source talking about hydrostatic shock that states that it "ruptures organs". Not a single one that isn't a strawman made up by a disgusting, slimy liar like yourself.
+--- 57905253
+>>57905207
+>There's no proof of that, ever. You're claiming things that are much less supported than the notions of hydrostatic shock theories at this point.
+Wrong. Dr. Fackler recounts a case where it happened to a human target upon a missed shot, and also a case where it happened to himself during a dental procedure. It's called fainting.
+>Doesn't happen either, animals don't work like that.
+I'm sure you have solid proof that this could never happen to a single animal ever? Since you seem to be on a similar intellectual level, perhaps you do have some unique insight.
+>Circumstances and chance collude
+>Every animal and situation is absolutely consistent and there could be no combination of factors at any point that make cerebral hypoxia uniquely quick
+Ok, I'm sure you can model this every time too.
+
+>Yes i do, because you won't find a single source talking about hydrostatic shock that states that it "ruptures organs".
+Do you want me to be even more specific and say it only ruptures blood vessels inside organs? If a bunch of capillaries in your brain burst then I consider that a rupture but I don't know, maybe you see things differently. I don't see it being relevant beyond your need to nitpick.
+
+If you'll continue to protest even that, I really don't know what to do with you.
+
+> Not a single one that isn't a strawman made up by a disgusting, slimy liar like yourself.
+You are getting ridiculously triggered over this, this is some embarrassing seething. Take a break.
+--- 57905283
+>>57905154
+*Correction: M193 used in Vietnam
+--- 57905292
+>>57905253
+>Dr. Fackler recounts a case where it happened to a human target upon a missed shot
+Animals aren't humans and fackler's gossip isn't truth. 
+>you have solid proof that this could never happen
+Not how burden of proof works, faggot.
+>Every animal and situation is absolutely consistent and there could be no combination of factors
+It's a shamelss asspull that you have absolutely 0 proof about, that's what it is. That's why i'm calling you out.
+>Do you want me to be even more specific and say it only ruptures blood vessels inside organs?
+You're still making up the same lie, even if you've backtracked to a less extreme one. There's hardly any talk of rupture of anything at all in hydrostatic shock theories, yet you maintain that it's the basis of them all. Why are you such a dirty, slimy liar? Why do you choose to spread this libel so persistently? Answer this.
+--- 57905326
+>>57905253
+How would you feel if i was spreading information that your beloved fackler's research states that bullets wound through lead poisoning as the primary factor of damage, that it's all he's ever talked about and how this is complete nonsense? I bet you'd get ridiculously triggered too, if someone was using such blatant libel as a way to discredit the research. 
+
+If you believe this is acceptable then you're probably lacking the basic human qualities and values.
+--- 57905332
+>>57905292
+>Animals aren't humans
+Animals can't faint now? You sure about that buddy?
+
+>Not how burden of proof works, faggot.
+You are alleging that animals do not display lethargy in response to pain? Is that your assertion?
+
+Ok, I see a dog that doesn't want to move around because it's in severe pain, do you think it's illogical that other animals might occasionally not want to move because of the pain and shock when shot?
+
+>It's a shamelss asspull that you have absolutely 0 proof about, that's what it is.
+I explained a bit of human physiology earlier, I suppose you are presuming that it could never happen to an animal.
+
+>even if you've backtracked to a less extreme one.
+I simply don't care to describe a theory that almost no prominent terminal ballistics SME takes seriously in the most exacting and graphic manner possible. As for blood vessels rupturing, try reading a wikipedia page sometime.
+--- 57905345
+>>57905326
+The funny thing is that I actually criticized some of Fackler's assertions earlier, and in other comments noted how some of his earlier hypotheses were incorrect.
+
+But yes, you are getting ridiculously triggered. You're unusually venomous.
+
+As an aside, I suspect you also don't know as much about the "basics" that you claim I only repeat.
+--- 57905429
+>>57905332
+>Animals can't faint now?
+Shitty strawman. You cannot prove animals would faint because of psychological factors.
+>You are alleging that animals do not display lethargy in response to pain?
+Why are you weaseling around so much? Can't you state anything directly? There's no proof that animals would drop unconscious because of pain of being shot. It's just an excuse for you to handwave the truth of life as you shoehorn it into your childish theories.
+>I explained a bit of human physiology earlier
+Animals aren't humans. You can't weasel out of this.
+>I simply don't care to describe a theory
+You care enough to lie about the baseline statements of it quite blatantly. As if appeal to shitty authority would give you any credibility. You're ignorant, admit that and then proclaim your ignorance for all to see like you're proud of it, while at the same time still holding onto the straman you've created because you're too much of a bitch to argue with the actual theory in question. What a sad, sad human being you are.
+> try reading a wikipedia page
+Imagine quoting wikiepdia as a source. 
+
+>>57905345
+Well, i have no patience for lying scum like you. Too bad.
+--- 57905455
+>>57903345 (OP)
+>According to Fackler's paradigm a 9mm and .357 mag would have basically the same lethality, for example.
+You have to factor in the target you are shooting as well. Against a human, 9mm and .357 will perform the same. Against a bear you'd have an advantage with .357 even if 9mm can still kill the bear the .357 will have an edge.
+--- 57905690
+Mr. Hydrostatic shock guy is not worth replying to any further, I will simply state this for posterity purposes so no one gets too confused.
+
+An opinion on hydrostatic shock from Dr. Roberts and Dr. Williams, two people with considerable experience in this department:
+>DocGKR and I--as well as many other learned persons with experience in scientific research--have independently spent hours and hours looking up Courtney's citations to be sure we're not missing something important, and we have independently come to the conclusion that his work is junk science at best.
+
+https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?34407-Scientific-Evidence-for-quot-Hydrostatic-Shock-quot/page3
+
+Lethargy and playing dead are known animal behaviors in response to pain and shock. There is no more proof that "hydrostatic shock" was the source of any random deer's inactivity any more than anything else - less, perhaps, since hydrostatic shock is not a well established phenomenon.
+
+Triggeree can lambast wikipedia all he likes, but the fact is that regardless of an editor's independent input, the citations are still there and you can independently observe that these 'sources' describe or claim physiological damage on the cellular level. Take, for example, Courtney and Courtney's "Links between traumatic brain injury and ballistic pressure
+waves originating in the thoracic cavity and extremities" where they describe neural damage.
+
+Now what to make of them? Here is what a systematic review of such documents states on the subject -
+>No conclusive evidence could be found for permanent pathological effects produced by the pressure wave or that any microscopic tissue changes due to the TTC (in the absence of visible macroscopic damage) led to permanent injury.
+
+https://www.researchgate.net/publication/257599993_Determining_the_wounding_effects_of_ballistic_projectiles_to_inform_future_injury_models_A_systematic_review
+
+- on top of the contributions of Roberts, Fackler, Williams, and others.
+--- 57905798
+>>57905690
+Lol what a cowardly bitch you are. 
+
+>these 'sources' describe or claim physiological damage on the cellular level
+More backtracking as "rupturing organs" now turns into "damage on cellular level".
+
+Meanwhile here's an article on the topic that anti-intellectual scum like him outright refuse to acknowledge, let alone discuss. 
+https://journals.lww.com/jtrauma/Citation/1988/01001/Remote_Cerebral_Effects_on_EEG_in_High_energy.42.aspx
+I welcome anyone to check it out and take notice of the behavior observed during the tests.
+--- 57906151
+Amusingly enough our hydrostatic shock protagonist decides to pull out a citation used by papers that were criticized for their lack of source corroboration by the aforementioned experts.
+
+Dr. Williams notes this:
+
+>I have been far too busy to do a detailed critique of the inferences and conclusions you have published based on the work of Gorannson and Suneson, but I have read your papers as well as having reviewed both Gorannson and Suneson's work. Not only have I reviewed them myself, but I have also reviewed them with other persons with extensive background in physiological research, both in vivo and in vitro. Neither I nor anyone I have reviewed these papers with is particularly impressed with the applicability of these studies to the physiology of human GSW's.
+
+For an example of a critique: It's funny how, even though the accuracy of EEG readings can be substantially affected by 1) cable movement and 2) muscle movement, the researchers thought it was appropriate to shoot lightweight 55 lb pigs in the leg (note: literal "stopping power" is not real but I have seen for myself how far 20 lb gel blocks flip when shot with .223 rounds) and figured firing shots into the air that didn't hit a pig would be enough to rule out vibratory interference - all without apparently even bothering to mention the elementary precautionary step of at least keeping the pigs restrained.
+--- 57906292
+>>57906151
+You're a cowardly bitch that can only attack the messenger, because you're entirely disconnected from anything scientific. 
+
+Another article that totally doesn't exist and describes things that totally never happen in reality. Anything they discovered is automatically untrue because some schmuck who doesn't do his own research has gripes with their metodology.
+>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2313747/
+>It is concluded that a high-energy missile hit in the thigh of a pig, caused structurally demonstrable dislocations of myelin sheaths, and disarrangement of cytoskeleton and endoplasmic reticulum in axons as well as other signs of damage. The changes may interfere with the normal functions of peripheral and autonomic nerves.
+--- 57906465
+>>57906292
+Ha, I'll be generous and reply to you again.
+
+Consider that EEG subjects are monitored for actions as small as blinking, then ask yourself whether the physical movement and vibration induced by a high velocity bullet would produce a valid reading for something the weight of a Kindergartner. If you think this is sound methodology and any complaint is just "griping", you're welcome to shake periodically during an EEG recording and tell the doctor you know exactly what you're doing. But, in an amusing case of projection, you'll attack any valid criticism because it doesn't conform with your beliefs.
+
+>Another article that totally doesn't exist
+I don't even know what you are talking about. Seem a bit schizo here buddy.
+
+Anyways, I see you are quoting Suneson, which is funny because the systematic 2013 overview explicitly addresses it.
+>Microscopic changes in neuronal tissue at a distance from the point of ballistic impact were demonstrated by Suneson et al in vivo, which those authors ascribed to the effect of the pressure wave. They also felt this mechanism was responsible for causing decreased oxygen consumption in cultured nerve cells in vitro. This has been cited as evidence that pressure waves are responsible for neurological symptoms, despite the lack of clinical data supporting the histological findings.
+
+To provide an additional review, see page 38-39 of IWBA Volume 1 #1 1991, found here.
+
+https://drive.google.com/drive/mobile/folders/0B_PmkwLd1hmbd3pWYVVJeGlGaFE
+
+Fackler raises several of the same concerns as myself, albeit directed towards Suneson rather than Gorranson - but applicable all the same.
+--- 57906533
+>>57906465
+Eat shit and die, faggot. I don't need your replies since they contain 0 substance anyway.
+ 
+>Consider that EEG subjects are monitored for actions as small as blinking
+Yeah the research is totally not valid and observations that happened there are not real. It's impossible to draw conclusions from it and everyone should silence any further research rather than try to improve methodology and try to study the validity of this theory in more detail. Having puffed up "experts" just put down anything out of the line is all science requires.
+>you'll attack any valid criticism because it doesn't conform with your beliefs.
+You're the one projecting here, to the point of hounding entire field of research for asking questions.
+>I don't even know what you are talking about
+I'm mocking you in your denial, you bumbling idiot.
+
+>despite the lack of clinical data supporting the histological findings
+What else could be the cause of this then? The criticism does little to address it.
+--- 57906640
+>>57904366
+>lacks a basic understanding of ATP production and storage
+oxygen saturation doesn't dictate oxygen usage 
+pCO2 drives oxygen usage
+oxygen is used to produce ATP, IT IS NOT THE SOURCE OF THE BODY'S ENERGY FOR BIOMECHANICS.
+also, the brain has a glycogen reserve and doesn't shutdown immediately even when you're suddenly in a vacuum with no air.
+you understand a lot less than you think you do.
+--- 57906720
+>>57906533
+>Eat shit and die, faggot. I don't need your replies since they contain 0 substance anyway.
+Did you try saying this to yourself in the mirror and listening to how silly you sound? At any rate you continue to make a fool out of yourself in response.
+
+>this flawed methodology doesn't produce valid results??? inconceivable!!!
+Well yes, that is how it works.
+
+>hounding
+Hardly. I'm not the one submitting my comments to journals. Hey, I'll let you in on a little secret: I thought hydrostatic shock might be real too once upon a time. But terminal ballistics is a subject I enjoy reading, and as I researched the topic further, I came to the conclusion that these advocates had met neither my burden of proof nor that of the esteemed scientists - even if I might actually disagree with the latter on other issues.
+
+>asking questions
+Ah, I'm supposed to give credit to them for asking questions. Curiosity is fine but I'm afraid this doesn't make them any more correct. But thank you for implying that you're apparently more concerned with the novelty of alternative theories than the logic behind them.
+
+>I'm mocking you
+You seem confused.
+
+>What else could be the cause of this then?
+> It has been suggested that proponents of the damaging effects of pressure wave have also incorrectly reported the results of previous experimental data as well as ascribing pressure waves as the cause for a pathology that would be more correctly explained by the effects of the temporary cavity.
+
+Please see Fackler's comment on page 39 of IWBA Volume 1 #1 for more.
+--- 57906774
+>>57903345 (OP)
+haha bagina :DDDDD
+--- 57906807
+>>57906720
+>Did you try saying this to yourself in the mirror and listening to how silly you sound?
+There's nothing silly about saying it in your filthy face. You're a disgrace and deserve nothing less.
+
+>>this flawed methodology
+Let me guess, all methodology is flawed unless it conforms to the falckelrite analysis?
+> I'm not the one submitting my comments to journals.
+Yeah, you're too much of a bitch for that.
+>I thought hydrostatic shock might be real too once upon a time
+>terminal ballistics is a subject I enjoy reading, and as I researched the topic further
+Coming from a guy who blatantly lied about the topic before, i call bullshit. 
+>I'm supposed to give credit to them for asking questions.
+Nope, you're supposed to prove their research wrong or right with your findings instead of bitching about it being not conclusive enough for your tastes while denying the existence of the phenomenon in question despite being unable to present any evidence to support that and trying to discredit any research that studies it.
+>You seem confused.
+Go back to r e ddit.
+>It has been suggested that proponents of the damaging effects of pressure wave have also incorrectly reported the results of previous experimental data
+So we're at the accusations of falsification of data now. So much for unbiased outlook and lack of denial of the existence of the phenomenon.
+--- 57906827
+>>57906640
+>also, the brain has a glycogen reserve and doesn't shutdown immediately
+Glycogen supplies glucose - it does not substitute for oxygen in the respiratory process if oxygen is lacking, and the brain has no oxygen stores. This is simply irrelevant to the discussion. 
+
+Are a few seconds of effective action possible after blood flow to the brain stops? Certainly and this is documented, I alluded to it. 10-15 seconds on the other hand, this has never been proven and all evidence would suggest otherwise.
+
+For an idea of just how sensitive the brain is to oxygen deprivation - there is an experimentally determinable difference in task performance that appears to be caused simply by the varying levels of oxygenation during the heart's cycle. It changes that quickly.
+
+Now that tiny difference is imperceptible but it certainly validates every anecdote and piece of evidence that would suggest the brain's ability starts declining very quickly once it begins getting suffocated.
+
+>oxygen is used to produce ATP
+Yes, oxygen is used to produce ATP, no shit. I didn't think I'd have to explain that. No oxygen = no ATP = brain function decreases.
+
+>pCO2 drives oxygen usage
+
+Cool. Either way, after the heart stops, I expect oxygen transfer to slow down as the blood remaining in the blood becomes increasingly depleted. At any rate, that is only a corollary to the main point - that the brain's supply of oxygen is highly limited after circulation stops.
+--- 57906844
+>>57903345 (OP)
+ITT retards can't into strangulation taking only 3 seconds, go watch MMA and touch grass, you need oxygen
+--- 57906875
+>>57906807
+I'm guessing you didn't read the IWBA comments even though I went through the trouble of telling you the exact page numbers, did you? Fackler conducted his own pig testing and examined the bodies. This is on top of the thousands of clinical cases and autopsies attended by himself and his fellow scientists where they found no conclusive evidence of hydrostatic shock.
+
+Anyhow, you've nothing left to do than hurl insults and grasp at straws. I rest my case.
+--- 57906880
+>>57906844
+Dr. Fackler didn't do MMA therefore it's not scientific and actually a psychological symptom, they simply decided to pass out after being choked.
+--- 57906930
+>>57906875
+I'm not getting a google account to download your article. Also examining the bodies is wholly unrelated to the topic in question as you cannot observe impaired brain function in corpses. Same with other autopsies, the fact that he's using them as proof means that he's just like you evading the actual topic and prefers to attack a made-up strawman instead.
+
+>you've nothing left to do
+You've been making up lies from the very start, and your lies deserve nothing but insults.
+--- 57906953
+>>57904326
+>Honestly I don't know exactly how this supposition was devised,
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chokehold
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIbusr1CCJw [Embed]
+--- 57906980
+>>57903345 (OP)
+That's nonsense. There's that famous photo the flip that was shot with an M16a1, firing m193, within 20 meters in the thigh. The doctor who posted the images online reported that the fractured femur was caused by the stretch cavity as the bullets path didn't go through the femur. 
+If the sudden compression of fluids can cause that, I think it's safe to assume it's important.
+--- 57907029
+>"Recently, eleven adult-human-sized swine
+(90 kg) were shot in the proximal part of the
+hind leg with a projectile producing the damage
+profile of the Russian AK-74 Assault rifle bullet
+(2). This same projectile was used in another
+study in which five 90 kg swine were shot
+through the abdomen (3). These animals were
+observed from three weeks (leg shots) to two
+months (abdomen shots). No indication of any
+sort of "distant" damage was seen in the pigs '
+behavior and no "distant" injuries were found at
+autopsy."
+
+>asks what could have caused local nerve cell damage, then switches topic and says physical evidence of damages is unnecessary once provided with a source he won't read.
+
+>even though hydrostatic shock proponents overwhelmingly state that there would be physical evidence
+
+>if I have obviously faulty methodology, the burden of proof is on you to make the exact same thing but magically control for the inherent flaws of an EEG machine, because this effect conveniently leaves no physical evidence since I said so
+--- 57907050
+>>57906953
+That isn't 10-15 seconds and this also assumes that 1) the chokehold would cut off 100% of blood supply to the brain and 2) that effective incapacitation would not be achieved before consciousness itself was lost.
+--- 57907055
+>>57907029
+I am not seriously engaging you on the topic because you've already proven you're willing to lie to discredit the research and won't seriously address it in the first place. That's why i call you a slimy dishonest redditnigger.
+
+Also, studying long-term or permanent damage is still not the same as short term impaired brain function. Basically he's not trying to reproduce the original research but doing his own tricks.
+--- 57907080
+>>57903345 (OP)
+>9mm and .357 mag would have basically the same lethality
+Yes, and this is what experience has basically showed. All pistol rounds suck roughly equally as hard.
+>>57904672
+>I have spent a good bit more time contemplating this subject than pretty much anyone else here.
+Maybe, probably not though. There's not much really worth nitpicking here. The only thing is that 2400fps is roughly right for skeletal muscle and most vascular tissues, but other tissues and structures vary from this considerably. The example that's usually given is bones, which have fuck all elastic potential and so are affected by the gross energy of the TSC. Basically, tissues with a lower density of elastic fibers are less elastic, and the elasticity of tissues can change for a variety of reasons (age, medication, genetics, physical condition). The only other thing that always gets missed in terminal ballistics threads, that warrants mention, is that human tissues are not ballistic gel; the dimensions of cavities produced by a bullet in gel are not the dimensions it would create in flesh. There are conversion factors to work beween the two and gel just exists to be consistent.
+--- 57907097
+>>57907029
+>because this effect conveniently leaves no physical evidence
+>also your EEG isn't evidence
+>also your observed nerve damage isn't evidence
+>also the commonly occurred knockout in game has nothing to do with it, it's actually all psychological or because of damaged spine, even in shots that didn't land near the spine
+You're one shitty strawmanning faggot, aren't you?
+--- 57907110
+>>57906980
+Firstly, an M16 in Vietnam would have been firing M193 that would have been well in excess of the velocities needed to overcome the elastic potential of human tissues.
+
+Secondly, can you please name a tissue in the human body that is less elastic than bone.
+--- 57907120
+>>57907050
+>That isn't 10-15 seconds
+Pressure was applied at 0:13 guy dropped hands at 0:23. That is exactly 10 seconds.
+--- 57907143
+>>57907080
+>The only thing is that 2400fps is roughly right for skeletal muscle and most vascular tissues
+Not even that. The velocity is not the only factor in creation of temporary cavity and bullet shape has massive impact on it as well. Most importantly is that it's not the bullet velocity but the resulting tissue velocity that causes it to stretch and tear, therefore changing how the bullet interacts with tissue changes how the tissue behaves, regardless of velocity.
+
+If it was all about raw velocity 5.7x28 would be used to hunt big game, since it's basically as fast as rifle rounds, or almost as fast. It's also almost as fast as the high end velocity thresholds quoted, which are probably picked to conveniently avoid addressing it.
+--- 57907272
+>>57907120
+They're already starting to drop by the end of 0:21. Full pressure appears to have begun being applied at about 0:14.
+
+That also doesn't address the other points I mentioned, nor the large body of anecdotal evidence that would suggest hypovolemic incapacitation is far more rapid, even frequently among game animals that might be expected to be more resistant for reasons previously stated.
+
+For a larger scale study of strangulation, read up on the Redwing experiments. A very small number of the participants did make it to 10 seconds of consciousness - but all stopped voluntary movement a second before. In addition, it's unlikely that the device could have totally constricted the vertebral arteries in many cases (as they are shielded by bone), and most of the test subjects appear to have stopped realizing they were even holding on to the device very quickly. A review and commentary of the materials also notes that loss of visual acuity occurred very quickly.
+
+>>57907080
+>Maybe, probably not though. There's not much really worth nitpicking here. The only thing is that 2400fps is roughly right for skeletal muscle and most vascular tissues, but other tissues and structures vary from this considerably.
+I didn't allude to any absolute, universal TSC threshold. There's a picture I posted displaying larger-than-projctile wounding at only 1300 FPS.
+
+>The only other thing that always gets missed in terminal ballistics threads, that warrants mention, is that human tissues are not ballistic gel; the dimensions of cavities produced by a bullet in gel are not the dimensions it would create in flesh.
+I'm aware. I've worked with ballistic gelatin.
+--- 57907307
+>Temporary cavity cannot damage elastic tissue bro
+--- 57907371
+>>57907097
+I already explained the obvious problems with the EEG. You can read the 2013 review or the 1991 IWBA comments for an explanation of local 'nerve damage'.
+
+The TSC stretch/concussion effect mentioned does not necessarily cause permanent damage to the spinal cord on a macro level (though I expect it might be observable on a micro level). It would be a stretch, no pun intended, to assume this would also extend to a brain concussion on a shot that doesn't land near the brain.
+
+I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming you're replying in good faith, and aren't just the same guy who started this nonsense.
+--- 57907429
+>>57903345 (OP)
+It can cause bruising and tear non-stretchy organs like the liver if it strikes next to them but for practical purposes, yeah, it's irrelevant. 
+
+Fackler was responding to the fudds of his time using temporary cavities as a justification of 'stoppan power.'
+--- 57907451
+>>57907371
+Imperfect EEG setup doesn't make the data collected useless, nor discredit the tendencies observed using it. The IWBA comments don't address the topic of the research and provide 0 explanations on the issue in question. 
+
+Why are you talking about good faith here when you were the first guy to state that you don't care about misrepresenting or learning about the topic of the research and were unwilling to even correct yourself?
+--- 57907478
+>>57904690
+He's actually providing sources and citations you fucking illiterate willfully ignorant mouthbreather.
+--- 57907496
+>temporary cavity is just fuddlore guise
+--- 57908020
+>>57904182
+>400 grain projectiles
+I did say the average range of masses. The purpose of this thread was the comparison of duty carry rounds.
+But yes, if you up the mass enough the max speed goes down. The problem is that point is well beyond what is practical for hand guns.
+--- 57908547
+>>57907451
+>Imperfect EEG setup 
+There is a difference between imperfect and invalid, you cannot expect me to give credit to a testing setup that could inherently yield abnormal results as a natural consequence of the gunshot regardless of whether hydrostatic shock actually occurred. EEG machines are used for subjects who are still and don’t move suddenly or encounter acute impacts, if you want to jerk around violently, any resultant anomaly cannot be assumed to reflect what the machine is meant to scan instead of your movement and vibration and I doubt most medical professionals will treat that reading as useful.
+
+>that you don't care about misrepresenting or learning about the topic of the research and were unwilling to even correct yourself
+Sounds like some hyperbole and potentially willful misinterpretation on your part. Apparently I’m to be blamed for failing to describe this effect in the exact terms insisted upon; even though you can find actual advocates of the theory who can be reasonably read to be saying as much. Seems like a disingenuous gotcha.
+--- 57910499
+>>57906827
+glycolysis does not require oxygen, fucking retard.
+you are missing the trees for the forest in the order of cause and effect.
+>oxygen deprevation results in a comatose state
+>the brain's supply of oxygen is highly limited after circulation stops
+neither of these statements prove your point; find a single coroner report that says strangulation, chemical asphyxia, or suffocation is the cause of death with any case of hemorrhage excepting pulmonary hemorrhage for obvious reasons
+--- 57910537
+>>57907496
+above a certain velocity, temporary cavities begin tearing flesh. Zero, I repeat zero handgun loads ever reach this velocity. Their temporary cavity is pointless. What matters is the size of the hole (hollow points/caliber) and shot placement.
+--- 57910633
+>>57910537
+To illustrate this point, not even 7.62x39 has the velocity to tear flesh with a temporary cavity. Compare 5.56 to pic related. 7.62x39 functions like a pistol round and requires specialized ammo like soft tips to achieve good wounding whereas your basic 5.56 just rips out chunks of flesh from whatever it hits.
+--- 57910710
+>>57910633
+>retards think all 7.62x39 rounds perform like FMJ because almost all soviet surplus is FMJ
+>think any alternative to 7.62x39 FMJ is a specialty round
+>compare wound characteristics 5.56 non-FMJ to 7.62 FMJ
+>somehow this is a profound, accurate comparison of the round's performance
+--- 57910747
+>>57910710
+anon, 7.62x39 is a pretty garbage round. There's a reason even Russia moved away from it. There's little to gain about coping over this. You don't need to justify using it, no one is stopping you. Please don't post any further cope than this it gives me second hand embarrassment.
+--- 57910759
+>>57910710
+>compares the most basic 5.56 round to the most basic 7.62x39 round
+>7.62x39 coper says this is unfair and has to bring up gucci 7.62x39 ammo to compare against the most basic 5.56 ammo
+LOL
+--- 57910847
+>>57910747
+>>57910759
+7.62x39 is essentially 300BLK without the possibility of loading it into a 5.56 gun and exploding it
+--- 57910950
+>>57910499
+>glycolysis does not require oxygen, fucking retard
+Glycolysis alone sans aerobic respiration does not produce nearly enough energy to sustain effective combat capability. That is a last hurrah to prevent you from dying - not keep your coordination and senses running in tip-top condition.
+
+>neither of these statements prove your point; find a single coroner report that says strangulation, chemical asphyxia, or suffocation is the cause of death with any case of hemorrhage excepting pulmonary hemorrhage for obvious reasons
+I fail to see the relevance of your statement. The post-shooting coroner’s reports I have read have by and large listed such causes of death as “Gunshot wound to chest” and “Multiple gunshot wounds”, not a specific physiological process at the fine level.
+
+If you don’t think hypoxia induced by hemorrhage is a contributing factor to mortality then you are certainly free to elaborate. Of course, I was primarily speaking in the context of incapacitation, where a person can lose the ability to fight effectively due to cerebral hypoxia/anoxia without ever reaching the stage where any significant brain damage/cellular death occurs at all.
+--- 57911060
+>>57910633
+>>57910710
+>>57910747
+>>57910759
+To respond to all of these comments, I am the same person who has posted all the other lengthy diatribes about terminal ballistics. 
+
+7.62x39 FMJ is generally worse than 5.56 FMJ by a significant margin because the former doesn’t tend to fragment much (and obviously doesn’t expand, either). 7.62x39 JSPs are regarded as terminally superior to 5.56 JSPs of similar hardness/construction.
+
+My jury’s still out on how premium heavy fraggers in these 2 calibers compare.
+
+If you are restricted to FMJ then yes 5.56 is better. If you have basic JSPs then 7.62x39 is more damaging. If you have bonded JSPs then 7.62x39 is again better terminally, but sadly Federal discontinued the 123 gr Fusion loading which I considered to be the best and, to my knowledge, only bonded 7.62x39 JSP out there. So that admittedly puts 7.62x39 in a bit of a tough spot.
+
+Something like 77 gr TMK vs 123 gr SST, I don’t know, but I’d choose the 77 gr TMK either way as I think you are really quite past the point of diminishing returns at that stage and the 5.56 round offers better expansion range, external ballistics, and recoil characteristics.
+--- 57911095
+>>57903345 (OP)
+>Fackler treats the temporary stretch cavity as being essentially irrelevant in wounding, but is it really?
+Of course not, you don't deform flesh that much that rapidly without causing trauma. So the wound closes back up after the force has dissipated.. so what? That helps limit bleeding but a closed wound is still a wound.
+--- 57911117
+>>57903435
+>police buttons
+--- 57911135
+>>57910950
+https://physoc.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1113/EP088005
+your brain's ventricles will collapse and deform the overall structure due to the loss of fluid/hemorrhage long before you die from hypoxia related to that hemmorrhage
+--- 57911482
+>>57911135
+>your brain's ventricles will collapse and deform the overall structure due to the loss of fluid/hemorrhage long before you die from hypoxia related to that hemmorrhage
+Iif indeed the current science suggests that brain death is more closely related to mechanical deformation than anoxia, then that's certainly interesting and I was previously unaware. Mortality is not my primary forte I will say. However, neither that statement nor the source you provided prove Fackler's assertion that I disputed:
+>the brain still has enough blood in it to allow for 10-15 seconds of effective action after the heart stops delivering any oxygen
+If anything it suggests otherwise. You may note the references to the Red Wing experiments; scroll up further for my commentary on that test battery. (Yes, in the most extreme cases, a few subjects made it to 10 seconds of consciousness - but all were totally incapacitated by 9 seconds and complete loss of all control is not required to degrade combat capabilities to a point we might deem "ineffective".)
+--- 57911583
+>>57911482
+it isn't mechanical deformation, retard.
+if you ever handled a brain in person you'd realize it's more like a balloon that inflates and deflates
+you mentioned incapacitation, not death in that context and have been arguing in bad faith the entire time as demonstrated by your latest post. you pose your posts as an expert-level but you're just some retard NEET who has read wikipedia and spouts shit
+--- 57911721
+>>57911583
+I consider an organ collapsing in on itself as "mechanical deformation". You yourself described it as deformation and if you don't think of such forces as gravity and intracranial pressure as mechanical, then I'm very sorry for failing yet another autist's precision of language check.
+
+>you mentioned incapacitation, not death in that context
+I don't even know what you are arguing at this point. That cerebral hypoxia/anoxia does not induce incapacitation? That physical brain collapse is instead responsible? You're free to present any evidence and the explanation for its pertinence as it relates to the "10-15 seconds before incapacitation" claim.
+
+>insults
+That's a shame, you almost looked like you were halfway willing to contribute productively at one point.
+--- 57911896
+>>57904765
+Can someone please explain this to me? 
+I know that 9mm and .357 have nearly the exact same diameter. I also know that a heavier by weight and hot loaded .357 round can approximately double the foot pounds of energy a 9mm bullet can produce. 
+
+If a 9mm and .357 have the same lethality, where would this similarity end? For example, what if the 9mm round was fired from a 3” barrel and the .357 was fired from a 16” carbine. Surely they wouldn’t have the same lethality then?
+--- 57911921
+>>57911896
+What are you expecting the .357 fired from a 16" carbine to do differently than a 9mm fired from a 3" barrel? They're both going to put a neat little hole in the body.
+--- 57911971
+>>57911896
+>>57911921
+.357 magnum fired out of a handgun would have to be loaded very fast, on top of expanding and maintaining velocity well, in order to cause significant stretch damage in flexible tissues.
+
+Out of a 16-20" carbine, many .357 magnum loadings can cause serious TSC damage. In fact, from a weight and velocity perspective, they're often not too dissimilar to supersonic .300 BLK from an SBR.
+
+See Dr. Robert's comments quoted further up in the thread: At 1600 FPS, we might expect to begin observing TSC effects, and by 2000 FPS they're generally quite severe.
+--- 57911996
+>>57911971
+>and by 2000 FPS they're generally quite severe.
+>7.62x39 round travel post 2000 FPS puts a neat little hole in someone's neck and they walk away unscathed.
+>>57910633
+>>57910633
+>>57910633
+lol
+--- 57912013
+>>57911971
+lol
+--- 57912034
+>>57911996
+That is in specific reference to .357 Magnum JSP, not 7.62x39 FMJ. I welcome you to read my synopsis of temporary cavitation wounding effects at the top of the page.
+
+A well-performing .357 Magnum JSP at 2000 FPS has a much more favorable frontal reference area and 'drag coefficient' than 7.62x39 FMJ, and sometimes a degree of fragmentation to go along with it. Velocity is, again, not the sole contributing factor to TSC damage.
+--- 57912057
+>>57911996
+>>57912013
+I'll link them again for your inconvenience.
+>>57903813
+>>57903861
+>>57904038
+>>57904151
+Note that I explicitly stated that yaw-only intermediate caliber rifle rounds (like many 7.62x39 FMJs) that don't expand and/or fragment may produce little to no TSC wounding in flexible tissues.
+
+You'll also see that I've posted links referencing an IWBA authority or explicitly showing that a more favorable bullet design can inflict TSC damage at much lower velocities. .357 magnum JSP out of a carbine is effectively an expanding rifle round in terms of the relevant characteristics, and expanding rifle rounds by and large do TSC damage.
+--- 57912195
+>>57911896
+read this if you care to learn, most of the crap posted in this thread is full retard
+https://nebula.wsimg.com/fb54bbe7bcde47ffde93ea48ce9b9f13?AccessKeyId=D0DCC35FC05D0FC60556&disposition=0&alloworigin=1
+--- 57912208
+>>57911921
+>What are you expecting the .357 fired from a 16" carbine to do differently than a 9mm fired from a 3" barrel? They're both going to put a neat little hole in the body.
+
+It seems to me that an increase in weight and velocity would cause a different result. The aforementioned heavy and hot loaded .357 bullet fired from a 16” carries more foot pounds of force than a 9mm bullet. 
+
+Hypothetically, if there is no pass through, the .357 bullet could impart approximately 700+ foot pounds of to the 9mm’s approximately 400+ foot pounds of force. Would this not have a different outcome on flesh and bone?
+--- 57912221
+>>57912195
+Thank you, I will.
+--- 57912304
+>>57912195
+>posts document by Dr. Roberts
+>Dr. Roberts’ remarks on .357 magnum JSP and TSC damage, including his approximate estimate of the velocity threshold, is literally quoted earlier in this thread.
+Did you mean something by this?
+--- 57912305
+>>57903345 (OP)
+I believe it heavily depends on the tissue being hit, which is the major issue with using ballistic gel as the medium, as it is supposed to represent average density of a body. If the "temporary cavity" is in muscle, it's probably going to be like a severe bruise; capillaries will be ruptured causing small amounts of internal bleeding, pain, reduced function. If it is in a softer organ like the spleen, or a major blood vessel, it could be a source of a significant wound.
+--- 57912320
+>>57903345 (OP)
+Fackler is old news, like 30yr old news. The dude was a living tampon personality wise and a good example of everything wrong with the field of terminal ballistics. Even he dialed back his "temporary stretch cavity doesnt do anything" drivel in later years. TSC has absolutely been confirmed to considerably contribute to wounding both in a temporary sense(ex well documented instances of TSC near the spine resulting in temporary paralysis) and permanent sense with it creating larger than projectile sized permanent wound cavities.
+>According to Fackler's paradigm a 9mm and .357 mag would have basically the same lethality, for example.
+This is correct in general. Not all temporary stretch cavity is meaningful, at least not with any degree of reliability. The proper equation for predicting TSC effectiveness is instantaneous drag. Pretty much you need to weigh velocity against projectile frontal area which tells you the energy being deposited on a moment by moment basis. For .355" expanding projectiles more modern estimates(per roberts) on the velocity required for the beginning of meaningful stretch cavity generation is a velocity of 1600 fps or more. With fragmenting you may see it lower on that but its gonna be one of those "it depends" sort of things. Some .357 magnum loads out of longer barrel length revolvers are capable of this, out of medium barrel lengths(4") a handful of loads may be capable of some degree of this. The vast majority of loads however will not be, and even those loads which are likely wont produce a whole lot of meaningful TSC like what you get from even intermediate caliber rifles. it is then a fair question of whether running bubbas pissin hot loads or a lighter constructed fragmenting design really offers enough benefit to justify the increased recoil and various other issues. The answer seems to be probably not.
+
+>t.im an autist on this particular subject
+--- 57912338
+>>57903703
+>It astounds me that this has been known since the 70's but the public consciousness of the gun enthusiasts world has taken this long to accept it.
+Even as recently as the last year or so, I have seen people on here who really should know better quoting the Marshall and Sanow One Shot Stop bullshit.
+--- 57912388
+>>57912320
+I appreciate your convenient timing on the topic of .357 magnum as it is pretty much the exact same thing I have been trying to tell people, to the point of quoting Dr. Roberts’ literal specific forum comment.
+
+I must say that I take a more positive view of Dr. Fackler. While he has certainly committed some inaccuracies, some of these errors must be viewed with the perspective that he was a pioneer in wound ballistics research at a time when the understanding of it was much less mature. Dr. Roberts did work under him and continues to reference his writings.
+
+With any expert, it pays to evaluate their statements independently and critically, as long as you have a decent baseline of knowledge.
+--- 57912414
+>>57903813
+>>57903861
+Listen to this man, he is a knower of things.
+--- 57912545
+>>57910633
+Fuck why does that exposed meat on the one armed bandit make me feel hungry?
+--- 57912609
+what sounds worse?
+>permanent wounds
+>temporary wounds
+gee
+--- 57912662
+>>57912388
+NGL, i usually just drive by post these sorts of threads these days since they're literally filled with dunning-kruger tier lucky gunner posters claiming you need 2500fps for effective TSC or Co&Co advocates praising hydrostatic shock as some sort of forbidden but clearly correct answer. Starts to wear a bit over the years. After taking a few minutes to read the thread though you covered everything better than id've bothered to(probably better than ive seen anybody else do on this board in recent memory) and ive got very little to add. Funny how actually reading the research available out there with a reasonable modicum of scientific validity tends to result in people having more or less the same things to say.
+--- 57912886
+>>57912662
+Many thanks. Yeah it sounds like we’ve been to a lot of the places and reached a lot of the same conclusions. Couple other seemingly knowledgeable guys who appear to have posted a little bit here too, can’t say I’m likely to have thought about this the most now. Sadly a lot of noise as well but that’s how it goes.
+
+I get you on the exhaustion. Most of the time I just don’t even bother trying to explain things and when I do I often regret it. Wading through all the myths is incredibly tiring if not outright futile and there’s a new trash post born every minute.
+
+Stay strong mate, glad to meet a fellow terminal ballistics enthusiast.
+--- 57914115
+>>57907143
+>If it was all about raw velocity 5.7x28 would be used to hunt big game, since it's basically as fast as rifle rounds, or almost as fast.
+The only reason it isn't is because of penetration depth.
+--- 57914254
+>>57903435
+>BTW in martial arts it's known effect when strong blunt force can turn off muscle
+Martial arts? Kneeing each other in the thigh is every middle schooler's most cherished past time.
+--- 57914413
+>>57906774
+haha :--D :DD

k/57903375.txt

@@ -62,3 +62,380 @@ Do it again von Stauffenberg
 On the contrary, I think they do know what to do. The problem just is that Assad and his regime ARE the best option for Syria. A secular dictatorship keeping an iron grip on a religious fundamentalist population has long since been shown to be the only reliable method of maintaining functional stability in a country like that without having it turn into an entirely Anti-Western status (Iran, lmao).
 >It isn’t that they wouldn’t want to see doc gassy dead
 Honestly the lethargy they showed at the actual gas attack(s) and the false flags thereafter showed they didn't really care all that much. Obama's Red Line was promptly ignored and US allies pretty much refused to kick Assad out when the US tried to get them on board. They pushed out atrocity propaganda with fake napalm attacks and fake sarin attacks, but nobody truly took the bait. A lot of media presence, but nobody really cared about it.
+--- 57903776
+>>57903375 (OP)
+He is what I would do
+
+>first step is to seduce Asma al-Assad and convince her to run away with me 
+>second step is to steal a Mig and fly away with her
+>third step is to crash on a Aegean Island and seek asylum
+> fourth step is to spend the rest of my days impregnating her on a Aegean paradise 
+>fifth step, idk. Fuck Syria I’m the winner in this scenario
+--- 57903788
+>>57903612
+>US allies pretty much refused to kick Assad out when the US tried to get them on board 
+Lolno. It was Obongo who refused to give the go ahead. 2012 was an electoral year, and he didn't want to appear as going down the Bush path, of starting one Middle East boog after another (the previous year had been Libya). This allowed the Russians to infest Syria.
+--- 57903804
+>>57903788
+Later on the US tried to rile up a coalition of the willing type of thing, but the UK, to start out with, kicked it down.
+https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-23892783
+--- 57903819
+There's hundreds of most wanted figures that they can't kill. Why would you ask them to kill him specifically?? 
+If his life was in that type of danger, he'd just go in hiding like the hundreds of said other figures.
+--- 57903835
+>>57903457
+Some new kind of ISIS flavor will always pop up in those regions. It's the nature of their religion and culture.
+--- 57903865
+>>57903564
+traying to kill hitler was the false move.
+allies should've instead bombed more german cities more fiercely
+--- 57903911
+>>57903375 (OP)
+Who must go?
+--- 57903920
+>>57903375 (OP)
+Hes unironically the good guy tho.
+--- 57904186
+>>57903835
+No, it’s just that people in the middle east seldomly get to have representation that is representative of its people. The west and east have always backed either extremely secular politicians or those from minority groups such as Assad up there who belongs to a group that makes up like 3% of the cunt but hold around 60% of all positions of power. 
+The simple answer to all this is protect a few elections where no one is forced to have an agenda and are free from political reprisal. This worked in Iraq because the US allowed free elections to take place that natually displaced the Sunni Arab minority which went on to support Isis but was crushed easilly, compared to Afghanistan where the US supported groups comprised of “freedom” fighter groups from the north who were composed up of Turks while 80%+ of the nation were Iranian peoples.
+--- 57904301
+>>57903375 (OP)
+Because killing him would turn Syria into even bigger clusterfuck. I don't really care who is running that shithole if they are making it somehow stable and keeping the people from doing something retarded.
+--- 57904307
+>>57903375 (OP)
+>>57903401
+Kill him. He's fucking useless and the war started while he had complete control of the place because he insisted on torturing students. Kill him and kill his poxy kardashian tier wife and kids. Can't be any worse than it has beem
+>>57903457
+>>Rebels and ISIS are back literally 2 years later
+Assad created ISIS under Russian advise and his relatives in teh Syrian air force spend a year bombing everyone but ISIS while ISIS spent a year attacking everyone but Assads forces. Then ISIS invaded Iraq. Assads a cunt. Put his head on a stick.
+--- 57904329
+As much as I don't want Russia to have an influence in the Med and Middle East, getting rid of this cunt would likely see Europe flooded with even more shit-tier immigrants of which we've had plenty already. All a bit catch22.
+--- 57904429
+>>57904307
+Isis was created by Barack Hussain Obama nd Hillary's state dept FACT.
+I've been on here since 09 and watched the whole thing unfold.
+Remember don't call them isis they are "The moderate Syrian rebels know as daesh" nevermind there rocking US 16A4's and some of them have seal tattoos, they need weapons packages asap. If not oh well they always have that sarin gas they looted from Libya during the bengazi raid. Good thing CNN will always blame the #dictator. Its kinda weird they never attack Isreal but ya know important details like that are for schizos. 
+Gotta destabilize how else will Europe and America get its much needed refugee flood. You think you seen conflicts on your TV? Wait until the real food crisis.
+--- 57904500
+Why should I give a fuck about his domestic issues if he'll keep the country stable?
+--- 57904518
+>>57904429
+>rocking seal tattoos
+This never happened why are you lying
+--- 57904571
+realistically
+>kill all remaining IS HVTs in country that we know of and any significant buildup of fighters that are left
+>claim mission against IS is complete
+>leave
+
+leave some TOWs there for the lulz.
+--- 57904580
+>>57904429
+I almost made a serious reply. Pretty good bait but a tad bit too on the nose. Dial it back 20%
+--- 57904605
+>>57903375 (OP)
+Exercise my claim to the French throne and declare Syria as my government-in-exile. Simultaneously larp as Charlemagne and Assurbanipal, take the ancient titles of Francorum Rex, King of the Four Corners of the World, Holy Roman Emperor, Rex Christianissimus, King of the Universe, Defender of the Faith, King of Sumer and Akkad, and every single other inane royal title I can milk.
+Leave Assad as my provincial governor, prepare to assimilate my immediate neighbors and subsume them into my empire and/or pile-drive Syria headfirst into the fucking pavement, whichever happens I become the best section in the history books for the next thousand years.
+--- 57904731
+>>57903375 (OP)
+Just invade and install a friendly regime, simple as
+--- 57904793
+>>57903375 (OP)
+
+Ultimately, the coalition of those who support Assad and those who don't really like him but are concerned that his successor will be a fundie headcase seems to be the majority of the country. Of the ones who actually live in Syria, it seems the strong majority in gov-controlled areas (70% of the overall country) are at least ambivalent to the regime.
+
+I actually find strong parallels in the Rhodesian war to the Syrian war, with an authoritarian minority rule state (Alawite/whites) controlling a majority other state (Sunni/black) that doesn't completely exclude them but does discriminate against them, the rebels are divided (Nusra-ISIS-FSA/ZANU-ZAPU) the rebels are feared to be beholden to extreme ideologies (Islamism/Communism) and fears exist they will murder said minority if they take over, with the minority group using chemical weapons.
+
+>mfw going to Syria in two weeks so I'll just see the support for him there
+
+I'll even go to rebel controlled Busra to see what they've got to say.
+--- 57905070
+>>57904793
+rip anon, that's a one way trip
+--- 57905181
+>>57904793
+>going to Syria
+Are you at least going to have a gun?
+--- 57905217
+Crazy how many faggot war tourists are on this board.
+--- 57905269
+>>57903445
+>Is assassinating a world leader EVER a good idea?
+People think power vacuums have to be filled by worse people but there's no evidence of that. For instance when Pablo Escobar was killed basically drug violence dropped like 95% and now Cali and Medellin are touristic cities
+--- 57905276
+>>57903911
+RIP OP
+--- 57905381
+I went to rehab with a Syrian doctor who fled the country when Asad's soldiers brought in "protesters" or whatever to the hospital and then said they would kill him if he treated them. He watched them die and could have saved them.
+
+When he was in school he got top score in the country on some standardized test and met Asad to be recognized so I always called him Asad's top guy lol..poor dude got unwittingly hooked on tramadol after a bad accident.
+--- 57905448
+>>57905381
+yes and 6 trillions jews were killed by a billion miles of trains that threw them in a pit filled with dildo dragons that fucked them to death. Oh those evil Germans, oh these evil Syrians.
+--- 57905452
+>>57905217
+>/pol/e smoker
+>obsessed with tranny genitalia
+pottery
+--- 57905456
+>>57905448
+lol there you go with that fag speak again
+--- 57905477
+>>57905452
+I don't even use /pol/ though I do enjoy HRTwinks and femboys.
+--- 57905503
+>>57905381
+Why bring them to the hospital, then?
+--- 57905535
+>>57905070
+>>57905181
+
+Going to Syria (assuming you stick to the group tour and don't wander off by yourself) is stupidly safe - the terrorists are all dead, the army is on every street corner, your presence is worshipped as you're the first foreigner they've seen in forever, people practically give you free shit, your tour guide knows a guy in the Ministry and all it takes is one call and you don't have a problem anymore, no matter the problem. I know someone who was in Aleppo last year who woke up at his hotel near midnight, decided to get some falafel, walked to the store about five minutes from the hotel at midnight, bought said falafel and walked back without once thinking about his safety. It's that safe.
+
+The only place that's dangerous is Idlib which you'd have to be a proper retard to go to.
+--- 57905539
+For people who hate assad why the fuck would removing him improve the region rather then fuck it up even harder ?, fucking ISIS and other jihadists fucktards is not a improvement.
+--- 57905573
+>>57905535
+Can I go with you? I'm in Ukraine rn but would love to travel with you in Syria anon :)
+--- 57905594
+>>57904307
+Shalom my friend
+--- 57905599
+>>57905535
+>Going to Syria (assuming you stick to the group tour and don't wander off by yourself) is stupidly safe - the terrorists are all dead
+>The only place that's dangerous is Idlib
+Are you retarded or just woefully ignorant?
+--- 57905652
+>>57903457
+>Rebels and ISIS are back literally 2 years later
+They aren’t going to return if we stop funding them
+--- 57905681
+>>57905503
+>well they were provided with medical care but unfortunately there was nothing the doctors could've done and they all died tough luck lol
+--- 57905751
+>>57905573
+
+Takes a while for your visa to be approved so the same tour is impossible but there are plenty of tour companies that take you to Syria.
+
+>>57905599
+
+Look at any travel vlog in Syria if you don't believe me.
+--- 57905929
+>>57905503
+>>57905599
+yea this basically..
+--- 57907983
+>>57903911
+Enjoy your mountain of shit!
+--- 57908064
+>>57903375 (OP)
+yes, we must help our ISIS allies
+--- 57908098
+>>57903401
+Amen. I fucking WISH the West/NATO would be as fascist/imperialist as the rest of the world keeps decrying us for.
+--- 57908120
+>>57903401
+>Just let him win already.
+It is not about "letting" anyone do anything. Dude simply cannot win with the stuff he has available currently, especially now that Russia fucked up and is getting destroyed in Ukraine.
+He would require direct western military support at this point and that is not happening.
+--- 57908198
+>>57908120
+qrd on assad and his current situation?
+i dont really know much about the guy, just that he got memed to prominence on /pol/ for not getting his bloodies corpse dragged through the streets like ghaddafi, thanks to the russians
+--- 57909587
+>>57903375 (OP)
+I'd nuke israel Inshallah
+--- 57909633
+>>57908198
+
+Syria since the early 1970s has been run by one family, the Assads, who are part of a religious minority called Alawites. Alawites are pretty secular, but most of the country are religiously conservative Sunnis so no democracy since Alawites could all be killed. He took over from his dad around 2000 and continued being a generally anti-west dictator. Arab Spring happens, everyone in Syria is tired of him, but many come back around to him once Muslim fundamentalists take power in Egypt and Libya. A coalition of rebel forces then tried to overthrow Assad, America tried to support a few of the rebels to stop the worse rebel groups taking over, then ISIS shat on everything, then Russia backed up Assad to look strong on the world stage. Assad has basically won minus a crammed city called Idlib in the north but the country is sanctioned to hell though he's slowly making friends in the Arab space again.
+--- 57909877
+>>57903459
+>Coup of Milosevic had ended Yugoslavian wars for good.
+Yeahhhhh, but after that, Yugoslavia stopped....being a thing. So maybe it didn't help that much.
+--- 57909907
+>>57903375 (OP)
+An old saying goes that one can’t just Mossad the Assad.
+--- 57909944
+Can we get casus belli in the middle east that isn't retarded? Like there's zionism, and then there's autistic existential zionism, and the latter comes with a lot more baggage than normal foreign policy.
+--- 57910013
+>>57903375 (OP)
+Leaving him there must be deliberate. Because if the United States wanted Assad gone, then Assad would be gone.Anything else is pure vatnik cope.
+
+So why would he be left there you might ask? It is a 4D chess move to drain Russian resources by forcing them to maintain a presence in the area.
+
+Russia is extremely embarrassed by the US leaving Assad in power so Russia are forced to continue staffing their bases in Syria.
+--- 57910017
+>>57909944
+Stonks and oil isn't good?
+--- 57910038
+>>57903375 (OP)
+>Why wont Israel, EU or US just kill him already?
+Oh yes, I would love for another 30 million refugees to pour into Europe again
+--- 57910206
+What's up with this "pro-Jihadi" stance on Syria that /k/ has now?
+What the fuck happened?
+Is this butthurt because Assad is backed by the Russians?
+--- 57910258
+>>57910206
+No. /k/ are ridiculing Assad because he is backed by the Russians. You are butthurt and lashing out because Russia is defeated.
+--- 57910285
+>>57910258
+What makes you think i care about Russia lmao
+It's just completely retarded supporting headchoppers over a guy that at least brings some stability to the region.
+It's like you fags want another rapefugee wave into Europe.
+--- 57910332
+>>57910285
+Because you implied Russias opponents are the ones who are butthurt. Because you conflated the opponents of a Russian client with ISIS? Don’t think such things will go unanswered. 
+>another rapefugee wave into Europe 
+Did you guys just start another meat wave mobilization?
+--- 57910365
+>>57910332
+NTA But why does everything have to be tied to Russia? If they support Assad so what? It doesn't make the fact that Syria is basically doomed under anyone else's leadership false. Does Russia suck? Sure. But we aren't discussing Russia here.
+--- 57910441
+>>57910365
+>zoomer /pol/dditor thinks 2015 is ancient history and doesn’t know the subject matter even remotely
+--- 57910551
+>>57905448
+Take your meds
+--- 57910554
+>>57910332
+Where did i implied that Russia's opponents are butthurt? Unless you consider /k/ to be some sort of super sekrit group against them, then all of my LMAO to you.
+--- 57912670
+>>57903375 (OP)
+He's unkillable
+--- 57912767
+>>57903375 (OP)
+The jews already stole his oil. Ending wars inhibits the military industrial complex from draining our treasury, which serves the function of impoverishing White tax payers and accelerating White genocide.
+--- 57913984
+>>57903375 (OP)
+I'd rather end the hostilities than end the war in Syria and to be fair there's kinda weird peace in Syria these days anyway.
+
+The reason is simple, if foreign powers let Assad win then he'll walk over any other faction and there will be "yet another country" against the West in the Middle East. If the status quo drags on forever once Assad is gone someone more amicable towards West may get elected or the political climate may shift. 
+
+Also, there's the little issue that 20% of the country's population is currently in refugee status. This is an insanely high number. If Assad wins, these people are not going back at all. If status quo continues or if someone more amicable comes in power they might go back.
+
+TLDR: Status quo benefits most big players.
+--- 57914205
+>>57913984
+>someone more amicable comes in power they might go back
+LOL implying those welfare leeches and criminals will ever go back after getting all these gibs from Euro countries
+--- 57914256
+>>57903510
+Putin did send men to kill Zelensky, they just failed spectacularly, like all Russian military operations
+--- 57914288
+>>57914205
+Most of them are in Turkey retard.
+--- 57914347
+Is it possible to leave Rojava as a Kurdish semi-autonomous region, like in Iraq?
+--- 57914363
+>>57914347
+Not as long as Turkey has a say.
+>>57914354
+blame Erdodog for that
+--- 57914375
+>>57914354
+Good. Turks deserve everything bad that has happened to them. They are just tanned brit bongers but with no positive traits.
+--- 57914379
+>>57905535
+NTA but the “Middle East” isn’t actually that bad to tour, just don’t be retarded
+>t. Grew up in Iraqi Kurdistan
+--- 57914383
+>>57914375
+>Dislike Arabs
+>Invade Arab country to keep them from immigrating
+>Mfw more Arabs enter your country
+Is Erdogan retarded?
+--- 57914389
+>>57903776
+Sounds like a good plan. I’m in.
+--- 57914390
+>>57914383
+>Is Erdogan retarded?
+yes
+--- 57914399
+Hey remember when they faked a bunch of attacks from Assad against Syrian civilians that were just actors pretending to be injured that got up moments later after getting the news shots?
+--- 57914403
+>>57903401
+His father was actually a competent leader. Assad junior is just a dictator.
+--- 57914416
+>>57909877
+>Yugoslavia stopped....being a thing
+In 1991, when it fell apart.
+--- 57914532
+>>57914403
+He's a younger brother and was supposed to live a happy life as a doctor in France
+He was never groomed for the job
+--- 57914568
+>>57903375 (OP)
+Being allied with Russia, the war can only be concluded by the outbreak and then ending of WW3. Basically, just add Damascus to the nuclear target list and glass it.
+--- 57914574
+>>57914532
+And Maduro is just a bus driver kept in charge by uniformed drug gangs, and Cuban commissars.
+--- 57914586
+>>57910441
+>what is realpolitik
+--- 57914776
+>>57914389
+Based, death or glory brother
+--- 57914829
+>>57903375 (OP)
+>How would you end Syrian war?
+Just like based Assad will. With winning.
+--- 57914838
+loook ughhhhhhhhhhh
+
+im just not supporting israel or ukraine!
+
+i know i know..............
+
+
+ahaaaaaaaaa im just not going to LOL!
+--- 57914843
+>>57914416
+Technically in 2003.
+--- 57914857
+>>57914838
+Αrmatard makes appearance to spam. Who wants to post the corpse piles in Bakhmut?
+--- 57914984
+>>57909633
+>Assad has basically won minus a crammed city called Idlib in the north.
+Nta but this is the one thing I don't get. I know Turkey is stopping Assad from retaking Idlib, but what would Turkey actually do to Assad if he were to launch an offensive on Idlib? It just seems bizarre to me that everyone is now talking about "rebuilding" Syria and restoring diplomatic relations with Syria as if the civil war is over; meanwhile what's essentially al-Qaeda still controls a sizeable chunk of the country.
+--- 57915062
+>>57910206
+I'm old enough to remember that the war only started after Assad violently crushed what were initially just protests. There were plenty of Syrians who really were moderates; but they either died or fled the country after it became a full-fledged civil war. You're right that at this point, the only opposition to Assad left is just jihadis; it would be foolish to still push for Assad to go. But Assad fanboys are incapable of finding any flaws with how him and his father have governed Syira since 1971. They think that if you don't know the lyrics to God, Syria, Bashar by heart, it means you are pro-jihadi.
+--- 57915105
+>>57915062
+>I'm old enough to remember that the war only started after Assad violently crushed what were initially just protests.
+It was stereotypical CIA funded colored revolution.
+--- 57915121
+>>57910206
+/k/ has been completely mind broken this war. It’s like /pol/ with the Trump election. It will probably never recover.
+--- 57915152
+>>57915105
+And here's another example of why I can't Assad fanboys. You retards act like literally every protest in a non-western country is the result of some guy in Langley pressing a button labeled "COLOR REVOLUTION"
+--- 57915159
+>>57915121
+Most of /k/ posters now are east euros and it reflects with all the globohomo shilling.
+--- 57915183
+>>57915152
+Man you have to be blind to not see it, and when I remember all the FSA shilling on the reddit back then...
+--- 57915235
+>>57915062
+>I'm old enough to remember that the war only started after Assad violently crushed what were initially just protests.
+Just protests with mysterious gunmen firing both at security forces and at the crowd, wow.
+Same shit as in the clankening, where snipers shot both at police and the protesters.
+Both the Syrian situation and Euromaidan were purposefully escalated by whoever.
+--- 57915269
+>>57915183
+Nigger, I'm not denying that US has tried to influence politics via the CIA, NED, and other organizations. What I'm saying is you niggers have an overly simplistic view of influence operations. Again, you act like all it takes for a "color revolution" to happen is some guy in Langley pressing a button, and then suddenly you have tens of thousands of people out on the streets once a bank deposit hits their accounts.
+
+Whenever ANY sort of protest happens in a non-western country, it's immediately labeled as a "color revolution" by tankies and other retards. They completely sidestep the question as to if there's anything wrong with the government that would compel people to take to the streets cause to do so would upset the simplistic narrative you have in your heads that every protestor is paid to be there.
+
+I even agree with you that the FSA shilling was retarded. It was clear early on that the FSA wasn't big enough to be any serious threat. But to act like everyone who ever opposed Assad was a jihadist all along is also retarded. If Assad really had such overwhelming support, any US influence operation wouldn't have resulted in such massive protests to begin with. And there would have been a lot less Syrians fleeing the country if Assad was really so popular.
+--- 57915286
+>>57915269
+- if it's the protest you don't hear about in western media - it's organic one
+- if the protest hits front pages in western media and reddit it's CIA escalated one

k/57903473.txt

@@ -6,3 +6,141 @@ Why were the 1800s so violent in North America? From Mexico to Quebec, the entir
 --- 57903503
 >>57903473 (OP)
 1800s were violent all over. Taipan, Ned Kelly, Boer War, the fucking war of the triple alliance, the napolionic wars and the Franco-Prussian war etc
+--- 57903855
+>>57903473 (OP)
+Bring back dueling.
+--- 57903871
+>>57903473 (OP)
+>Why were the 1800s so violent
+It was a period of rapid indutrialization and population expansion and the world was going though growing pains. It was a direct prelude to the global conflicts of the early 20th to mid 20th century, which were caused by ideologies rising up specifically as a response to 19th century industrialism.
+--- 57903888
+>>57903473 (OP)
+>Why were the 1800s so violent.
+too many boys, too little cows.
+--- 57906754
+>>57903473 (OP)
+>>57903503
+>>57903855
+>>57903871
+>>57903888
+
+The 1800s were way less violent than modern American cities.
+--- 57907356
+>>57903473 (OP)
+More like basedboys
+--- 57907388
+Don't forget, guys: the 1911 counts as a Wild West gun because the era technically goes to, like, 1924. They also include it in cowboy action shooting events. I guess that makes the BAR eligible for that, too.
+--- 57907535
+>>57906754
+Not if you’re white
+--- 57908897
+>>57907388
+how available were those to civilians though
+--- 57908989
+>>57903473 (OP)
+They weren't, though. The "Wild West" had a much lower murder rate than modern America.
+--- 57909005
+>>57908897
+Most JMB designs were basically available to the public from the get-go. You'll see Colt 1905s in old Sears catalogues.
+--- 57909047
+>>57909005
+>>57908897
+Sears 1916
+--- 57909053
+>>57903473 (OP)
+You're suffering, in addition to general retardation, from inductive reasoning and conformation bias. 1800s were far less violent than today. Similar to the canard that the medieval period was inherently brutal and barbaric. It wasn't.
+--- 57909064
+>>57909047
+>1916 $22
+>2023 $609
+For a brand new 1911? Not too shabby.
+--- 57909087
+>>57909064
+And now look at the wage of a coal miner
+--- 57909179
+>>57909087
+Fair enough. Still, plenty of fairly normal folk probably could've afforded one.
+--- 57909186
+>>57906754
+Not by per capita.
+--- 57909211
+>>57909053
+1800's were way more violent for America than now. War of 1812, Mexican-American War, American Civil War, Reconstruction, and all the Indian Wars. Not to mention problems of gangs, highwaymen, Indian raids, range wars, etc. The Wild West was indeed very wild.
+--- 57909245
+>>57903473 (OP)
+>Why were the 1800s so violent in North America? From Mexico to Quebec, the entire continent was soaked in blood.
+They really were not, even the American revolution was tiny tiny event with 7000 deaths absolutely nothing to the British Campaign against Mysore or Clive of India or the conquest of the Sikhs or the Sudan Campaign or the French conquest of Algeria or the race for Africa or the Zulu wars or the European rebellions etc etc. A million people died in the US civil war (and that's the biggest event in US history) but to get that in perspective a tiny shithole like Ireland had a million deaths from a famine about the same time. For most of its history especially the 19th century the US was a non event. It was a backwater on teh edge of civilisation like Russia which like Russia was still practising slavery in the mid ninetieth century. Power revolved around Britain, France and later unified Germany. The US only starts to become reverent towards the end of the 19th century. I love the USA and Americans very much but Op you sound like a tarded vatnik if you think that the US as mattering until the 20th century. A shoving match with Spain but Spain was an incredibly weak power and teh US was playing on home turf.
+--- 57909451
+>>57909064
+Gold
+1916 $19oz
+2023 $2000oz
+Look what they've done to the dollar
+--- 57909705
+>>57909451
+>value somehow went up during the damn depression of all things
+>tfw FDR of all people was more economically competent than Joe Printsalot.
+--- 57909776
+>>57909245
+>A million people died in the US civil war
+You are a fucking idiot.
+Most numbers are around 600,000. 
+https://www.battlefields.org/learn/articles/civil-war-casualties
+https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-17604991
+https://www.history.com/news/american-civil-war-deaths
+> all around 600,000
+--- 57909841
+>>57909451
+I don't think you understand how unstable the gold standard was or how bad gold was as a currency desu. Let's see if I can explain.The population of the USA in 1916 was about 100 million people. Today it is about 336 million. Not just that but the economy of the USA is vastly larger in every possible way and people are vastly better off in every way from the cost and speed and safety of transport to improvements in healthcare, communications, technology, productivity even dentistry as one simple example. As the population expands and economic activity expands you need more units of currency to avoid constraint? Do you understand? The gold standard would stop economic growth and improvements in peoples lives and cause recessions. The Strand gold standard debate and silver coin collectors are a by product of a war4med over version of a debate that last took place between to competing presidential candidates in the USA in 1896 representing two different vested interests, silver miners and gold holders. Out of context arguments from this are foisted by channels like youtube on poorly educated people to get them to buy physical gold and silver at high margin (profit) to the seller. It would be very strange if there were not more dollars today, after all it is the worlds reserve currency and universally used for trade and is userbase has gone from 100million to billions You'll probably try and give me some angry or insulting answer but I'm not trying to sell you anything just educate you
+>>57909451
+>they've
+Who is {they} to you today? The 'elite'? The Jews? The Boomers? The rich? The poor? The federal reserve? The treasury? The US government? Who is this 'they' that you are so angry with? I doubt you even know yourself outside of some rant. The USA has the wealthiest, most prosperous most secure population on earth and at no time in history has everything from travel to entertainment to communications to education to housing and medical care been so widespread
+--- 57909892
+>>57909776
+yes I was being very generous to it as an even estimates go up to 750,000 soldiers and anywhere form 50,000-150000 civilians depending on what you take as 'cause'. One way or the other all you have done is make my point even more correct. I see why you embrace the word idiot so easily. The point that the US was not particularly bloodsoaked or even mattered much until the 20th century. It was a sideshow. The entire US civil war was far less death just the famine in a tiny place like Ireland. Exactly my point.
+--- 57910066
+Cowgirls and female bandits need to rape me
+--- 57910219
+>>57909841
+Wow that's alot to digest and honestly I'm a bit busy at the moment, will def read later ty. But the fact remains a colt peacemaker or a good suit is about $2000, a century and a half ago, the colt and good suit was about $20
+> they 
+Those in power
+--- 57910246
+>>57903855
+Holy shit he got shot by a .45
+--- 57910271
+>>57909245
+>They really were not, even the American revolution was tiny tiny event
+
+Considering what England lost in territory and it's potential, it wasn't a minor affair.
+--- 57911390
+>57909841
+Ok I read your reply to me. What a disappointment, any value in it is overshadowed by your arrogance and presumptions. Fuck off. It's clear you think you are highly intelligent but you can't even comprehend
+>>57909451
+>Gold
+>1916 $19oz
+>2023 $2000oz
+>Look what they've done to the dollar
+without entering into to some long-winded bullshit acount of how I am angry (no) or any of the other crap you said. Don't reply, not interested in your drivel.
+--- 57911447
+>>57911390
+Bro are you good?
+--- 57911518
+>>57911447
+Ha. Yeah I'm good, thanks
+--- 57911779
+>>57909892
+In terms of absolute death toll the Potato Famine and the ACW are comparable. The Potato Famine was only more devastating due to Ireland having a much smaller population. Likewise, a million dead Irish is absolutely fucking nothing in the grand scheme of 19th century politics and the UK was more worried about the possibility of conflict with the USA following the Trent Affair than they were about the Irish.
+--- 57914385
+>>57903473 (OP)
+>tfw wont have your way with a injun
+--- 57914395
+>>57903473 (OP)
+My favorite Old West pistol is the Borchardt C93.
+>Why were the 1800s so violent in North America?
+Why not? We're a naturally violent people and need a bit of strife in our lives. The loss of the frontier was the loss of the spirit of the nation.
+--- 57914852
+>>57909064
+1916 $1 = $27.69 2023
+27.69 x 22 = $609.18
+the price hasn't changed in over 100 years

k/57903557.txt

@@ -20,3 +20,177 @@ Xaxaxaxa, dumb pigger, it hasn't been cancelled, it will just be taking place ev
 Can't wait for those 2 years to happen just to postpone the event another 2 years again
 --- 57903603
 post clips
+--- 57903678
+>>57903594
+Just two more (years) comrade!
+--- 57903701
+>>57903603
+I can't watch this clip without automatically hearing the benny hill theme in my head
+--- 57903712
+>>57903557 (OP)
+This was the last good thing to come out from that country. Now there is absolutely no reason to simp for russia.
+And now we wait for T-72B3 in tank biathlon livery getting perforated by 120mm western munitions.
+--- 57903713
+>>57903603
+--- 57903801
+>>57903603
+why is it only shithole countries that participate?
+--- 57903818
+>>57903603
+>South Ossetia
+>Iran
+>Zimbabwe
+>Syria
+>Myanmar
+>Laos
+VGH...
+--- 57903824
+>>57903566
+>>57897927 →
+--- 57903826
+>>57903801
+Because serious armies like the US and NATO don't do this retarded clown shit, they do real military exercises with real strategic purposes.
+--- 57903839
+>>57903801
+The shithole countries are the best part, anything can happen. This would be a incredibly boring event if it was between western powers.
+Like >>57903826 said, boring garbage.
+--- 57903970
+>>57903801
+>>57903826
+>>57903839
+they do have competitions, see >>57903825 →
+but its not Death Race inspired
+--- 57904319
+>>57903839
+what is going on here
+--- 57904524
+>>57904319
+Russian state tv apparatchiks watching gachimuchi. Duh.
+--- 57904593
+>>57903557 (OP)
+Literally africa-only event.
+--- 57904810
+>>57903603
+So does Russia just make all other teams go through pits engineered so the tanks can't get out
+--- 57905103
+>>57903557 (OP)
+genetic tank question; are all modern tanks destructible by a modern infantry carried anti tank weapon? Or are they only under favorable conditions to the infantry position, meaning angle of attack of the weapon. Regarding armor and not active defense systems.
+--- 57905178
+>>57905103
+Generaly speaking most, if not all, tanks are vulnerable to AT missiles, rockets are a 50/50 if the armor can stop it or not
+--- 57905246
+>>57903839
+>anything can happen
+But nothing ever happens and Russian "wins" these meme cups every time for some reason. How is this not boring?
+--- 57905336
+>>57905246
+>Russian "wins" these meme cups every time
+Is this true?
+--- 57905346
+>>57905246
+essentially the harlem globetrotters of tank competiton
+--- 57905380
+>>57905336
+Yes.
+--- 57905386
+>>57903566
+Their tankathlon champion crew died in February last year IIRC.
+--- 57905434
+>>57905246
+>>57905380
+Yeah but can they do it in a T-55?
+--- 57905454
+>>57905434
+Good question.
+Anyway the 2nd division is where the fun can be found.
+--- 57905457
+>>57903566
+Dumb hohol, rasha has enough tanks, but dancer on top of tanks got conscripted so now event cancelled
+--- 57905461
+>>57905178
+so only active countermeasure systems can protect them fully, trophy and trench coat and whatever else exists?
+--- 57905467
+>>57905434
+They'd probably made everyone else participate in a T-55. Which might backfire since China can send a proper Type 59 crew and dab all over them.
+--- 57905508
+>>57903801
+This is basically one step up from South Asian militaries having 20 guys on a moped. Actual competent militaries take part in actual military exercises. Having said that I think Russia held this shit to sell more equipment. Natural resources, weapons and overseas escorting are their whole economy.
+--- 57905510
+>>57903557 (OP)
+Imagine if Russia did not cancel and just shipped all the crews to Bakhmut.
+--- 57905529
+>>57904319
+IIRC they watched this on state TV as an example of western degeneracy. However, they knew way more about it (includ8ng it's existence) than even your average gay westerner. They also watched it for quite a while.
+--- 57905538
+>>57904319
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uB8wikbUX1A [Embed]
+--- 57905572
+>>57903566
+There's a much better competition happening in the field right now.
+--- 57905582
+>>57903826
+what is the strong europe tank challange and why do the germans keep winning?
+Also 
+>the polish lost with a Leopard 2 against the ukrainans in a T 64 in 2017
+--- 57905597
+>>57903557 (OP)
+>Russia keeps cancelling events that require tanks such as parades and these games
+>BUT THEY TOTALLY AREN'T RUNNING LOW ON FUNCTIONING TANKS BROS!!!
+--- 57905850
+>>57905597
+Even putin realized that doing parades does not look good when shit has been hitting the fan for over a year
+--- 57905978
+>>57905246
+That's why they didn't do it with T-55's, the chinks could win it with tech advantage
+--- 57906194
+>>57903603
+does anyone have the clip of a south ossetian tank spinning its turret and not stopping?
+--- 57908844
+>>57906194
+no :(
+--- 57908862
+>>57903713
+Fastest russian-made tank reverse ever?
+--- 57908880
+>>57903801
+I treat it as the tactical edition of pic related
+--- 57908906
+>>57906194
+theres also a similar clip from a few weeks ago of a russian tank (maybe around vuhledar) that gets pierced by AT from one side of the hull to the other, after which the turret starts turning in a circle without ever stopping.
+shit was kino.
+--- 57908930
+>>57903557 (OP)
+the other countries are afraid that Russia will liberate them from any tanks they send to participate
+--- 57909011
+>>57903557 (OP)
+>The tank biathlon 2023 has just been cancelled.
+--- 57909052
+>>57903603
+with these allies you dont need enemies
+--- 57909150
+>>57903566
+Yes.
+--- 57910437
+>>57903557 (OP)
+>The tank biathlon 2023 has just been cancelled.
+--- 57910486
+>>57908844
+>turret spins uncontrollably for 20 minutes
+>eventually unscrews completely and falls out
+--- 57913622
+>>57903603
+I pretend these are 1/24th-scale RC cars filmed with forced-perspective and standing off camera there are a pair of 8-year-olds who are hopped up on Capri Suns and just don't give a fuck if they break the toys grandma got them for their birthdays--- and just like that, the tank biathlon starts making sense.
+--- 57913648
+>>57903583
+>axaxaxa, dumb pigger, it hasn't been cancelled, it will just be taking place every two years now))))) next year in Artemovsk)))))))))))))
+--- 57913654
+>>57903557 (OP)
+russia has been demilitarized
+--- 57913710
+>>57905582
+The difference is that in the Strong Europe and Canadian Army Trophy competitions, the "hits" aren't the result of accidental collisions.
+--- 57913761
+Memes aside, it was actually pretty implessive how the Chinese crew managed to win their division with a ZTZ96 with a fucked wheel.
+--- 57914050
+>>57903603
+A highlight that I'm surprised isn't posted here often.

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+-----
+--- 57904642
+https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/indland/moerklagt/afsloering-russiske-spionskibe-forbereder-mulig-sabotage-mod#!/
+
+https://yle.fi/a/74-20027675
+
+Journalists from the Danish, Norwegian, Swedish and Finnish public broadcasters have found new indications in a joint research project that Russia is developing plans to sabotage Western gas pipelines, electricity and internet cables on the seabed.
+
+The journalists followed the movements of Russian ships in the North Sea and Baltic Sea, spoke to experts and security services and made use of intercepted radio traffic. The result of their research can be seen in a documentary series that will be broadcast tonight.
+
+The research confirms reports that Russia plans to sabotage crucial infrastructure of NATO countries at sea if it comes to war with the West.
+--- 57904647
+>>57904642 (OP)
+In November, for example, a team from the Danish broadcaster DR tracked down a Russian ship in the strait between Denmark and Sweden that was probably busy mapping the infrastructure on the seabed there.
+
+The Admiral Vladimirsky is a marine research vessel, but would also be used to collect intelligence on gas pipelines, wind farms and electricity and internet cables. It had turned off its AIS transponder so that its location and other data were not visible to others.
+
+The Danes managed to find out the location by intercepting information that the ship sent to a Russian naval base. The broadcaster sent a journalist and cameraman to the Vladimirsky in a fast boat. When he arrived at the ship, masked men appeared on deck and a heavily armed soldier in a bulletproof vest.
+
+A journalist from the Norwegian broadcaster NRK discovered a connection between the destruction of an internet cable between Spitsbergen and the Norwegian mainland due to the movements of a Russian fishing boat. They were strange. "The transponder signals show that the Melkart-5 passed over the cable more than 130 times. More than 130 times, there and back."
+
+That cannot be a coincidence, said a Norwegian shipowner. "This is totally illogical for a fishing vessel. Even if there are an insane amount of fish. I'm not a fisherman, but this is not a normal activity."
+--- 57904648
+>>57904642 (OP)
+Yeah they get caught with (((research vessels))) conducting important (((deep sea research))) by underwater cables all the time. We should unrionically just shoot them and Chinese fishing fleets on sight
+--- 57904650
+>>57904647
+The Finnish broadcaster Yle writes that the Russian fishing vessel Taurus also attracted the attention of the journalists. It called at a Norwegian port 51 times in the past ten years, only 34 times with fish on board.
+
+In the fall of 2018, it was spotted west of Norway where a major NATO exercise was just underway. In December last year it was on its way to the Barents Sea, almost a month before the start of the fishing season.
+
+According to the broadcasters, over the past ten years, the movements of more than fifty Russian ships should be considered suspicious.
+
+"In the event of a conflict with the West, Russia knows where to strike to paralyze Danish society," the counterintelligence chief of the Danish intelligence agency PET told DR. According to the head of Norwegian intelligence, the Kremlin attaches great importance to the operation and it is being directed directly from Moscow.
+
+The information that Russians collect is stored centrally, according to the DR. To be able to do this, a special software program called GUGI has been developed for Russian naval, fishing and merchant ships.
+
+That would mean that all Russian ships could be deployed for underwater warfare. According to an expert from the Norwegian Defense Academy, it is very easy for a non-naval ship to jettison a sea mine at a designated location.
+
+The Russian ambassador to Norway wrote in response to questions from the broadcasters that Russia complies with international law.
+--- 57904656
+>>57904642 (OP)
+Why isn't NATO doing anything about it? It's an unarmed research ship so it should be easy to bully them out of the area
+--- 57904659
+>>57904650
+The message on the Danish broadcaster's site also refers to a press conference of the Dutch intelligence services AIVD and MIVD. They announced in February that a Russian ship tried to collect information about wind farms in the North Sea last year.
+
+MIVD director Swillens then said that the Russians also want to map internet cables and gas pipelines. According to the services, there were "preparatory acts for disruption and sabotage". In this case, too, it was Admiral Vladimirsky, a source told the DR.
+
+On the broadcaster's site, no connection is made with the attacks on gas pipelines Nord Stream 1 and 2 in the Baltic Sea last year. Who was behind it is still unknown.
+--- 57904671
+>>57904656
+and next to that. In the case of a conflict with NATO what would it even do? The attacks on civilian infrastructure in Ukraine have shown it only causes a minor inconvenience and Russia doesnt even have the navy to back any of this up. So all it would accomplish is a troll style "haha got you now your stuff is broken this is very expensive" kind of attack which would immediately be repelled by sinking all other russian fishing boats.
+--- 57904683
+>>57904656
+Mostly because NATO is not actually at war with Russia, regardless of what Russia claims.
+Also because international waters and civilian rights and similar shit that the west seem to respect.
+--- 57904685
+>>57904671
+Internet cables are actually very sensitive infrastructure and you can spy on them via directly wire tapping them which russia has done in the recent past.
+--- 57904714
+>>57904656
+In most countries it's still illegal to kill russians.
+--- 57904732
+>>57904656
+We use to see Russian "research ships" off the coast of Naval Station Mayport all the time, just close enough to US territorial waters to where they can't get a harpoon shot up it's ass. They usually fuck off when we get close, but they always shadow us in the Caribbean and Central/South America 
+
+We also do the same thing to Russia/China/Iran. It's just business as usual.
+--- 57904734
+>>57904642 (OP)
+And equip them with what? Rusted out T55s and mobiks in more meat waves with mosins?
+--- 57904735
+>>57904642 (OP)
+time for a few RN subs to have a few more clumsy 'accidents' and accidentally sink a few russian trawlers
+--- 57904746
+>>57904671
+Well actually hitting a gas pipeline may cause some damage, you have pipelines like pic related that are vulnerable. Short term it's not likely to matter though as all military infrastructure will already have the required amount of petroleum product and any requirements can be simply taken from the civilian market. Worst case there may be limitations put on heating and you may be unable to use your car for non-work purposes. Drastic by American standards but anyone from those regions can attest to the government regularly issuing pamphlets explaining this. For decades. I think the Swedish one says "we will never surrender, any information you hear or see stating the Swedish government has surrendered is false."
+
+Now, internet cables? Any critical military communications will go over VHF, microwave, HF or satellite but if Russia manages to pull off the combination of a DDOS into the Nordic internet/cyber attacks to take down core routers/severing of links to Europe it could spook people into thinking the world is ending. 
+
+From your perspective as an American bits of the internet will stop working (a lot of shit is hosted in Sweden), people will be talking about mushroom clouds/nukes/explosions in capital cities and every Russian bot account will be saying Helsinki is completely gone/captured. It'll take a few days for the dust to settle, the cables to be repaired (assuming that's possible) and connectivity to be restored. 
+
+All of this hinges upon the ships with the mines on them not being suddenly integrated into the LRASM program the moment they leave port.
+--- 57904749
+>>57904685
+Didn't the US also tap into russian seabed comm lines way back then as well?
+--- 57904750
+>>57904685
+>wire tapping Public Internet 
+Doing this is so easy that it doesn't actually matter or is a security risk. The Internet is built upon the idea that your probably being man and the middle attacked at all times. From important things like banking and messaging to trivial shit like porn and 4Chan, everything is encrypted .
+--- 57904772
+>>57904750
+Yeah it’s not clear what they’re after but the specific incident I was reading about was between London and New York so it was speculated to be financial traffic. The consensus was that it seemed a bit retarded iirc
+--- 57904804
+>>57904746
+Found it, 2018.
+
+https://rib.msb.se/filer/pdf/28494.pdf
+
+Some quotes that, if said in the US, would have boomers protesting in the streets crying that the government wants to oppress them/turn their kids into trannies/make them gay:
+
+>The state can, for example, take over private property which is particularly important for total defence.
+
+>If Sweden is attacked by another country, we will never give up. All information claiming the resistance shall cease is false.
+
+>In Sweden, total defense duty applies. This means that everyone who lives here and is between 16 and 70 years old can be called in to help in various ways in the event of war. Everyone has the obligation to contribute and everyone is needed.
+
+>States and organizations already use misleading information today to try to influence our values and how we act.
+>The best protection against false information and hostile propaganda is to be critical of the source:
+>• Are they facts or opinions?
+>• What is the purpose of the information?
+>• Who is the sender?
+>• Is the source credible?
+>• Is the information available elsewhere?
+>• Is the information new or old and why is it there right now?
+--- 57905308
+>>57904749
+Peolle on this board still unironically thinks Russia blew up it's own pipeline. Its important to certain "users" here that we only talk about one side as if they ever engage in espionage
+--- 57905349
+>>57904642 (OP)
+it would be a shame if anything happened in open waters
+--- 57905350
+So what we’ve learned from this is that it was DEFINITELY the French that blew up the pipelines.
+--- 57905365
+>>57904714
+Really? you are weird people...
+--- 57905367
+>>57904656
+tell me about him why does he wear the mask?
+--- 57905373
+>>57905308
+>Russia guud boii
+>didndunuffin
+>whataboutamerrica
+At this point everyone knows Russia blew it up, even the vatniks, same reason why they stopped talking about it instead of bringing it up at every opportunity. The only retards who still believe it are the useful idiots, who arent even allowed to be in the vatnik club house. Stop embarrassing yourself.
+--- 57905389
+>>57905308
+Russians saying it wasn’t them is proof enough it was them
+Also the fact that they didn’t even try to investigate it
+--- 57905410
+>>57904642 (OP)
+Just like they had spec ops infiltrated in Kyiv to assassinate Jewlesnky and now they're all fucking dead cause Kyiv's police and the territorial militia wiped them out, right? But now instead we'll have Tsushima 2.0 and a bunch of nuclear garbage polluting northern waters. from their sunken submarines.
+--- 57905416
+>>57904804
+>if said in the US
+Obsessed
+>>>/r/europe
+--- 57905424
+Is this supposed to be surprising? Are we pretending that NATO wouldn't do the exact same shit if a war broke out? The only difference is we already know where all their shit is, they are just trying to play catch-up.
+--- 57905440
+>>57905308
+Yeah, yeah, same as with there weren't unmarked russian troops taking over Crimea, amirite? Give it a year or two and russian will go "Yes, we were it, what are you gonna do about it, bitches?" like they were nevernsaying anything else.
+--- 57905507
+perfidious pozziya
+--- 57905534
+>>57904642 (OP)
+Ah, so now they're trying to hit the pipelines they can't send pigs through. 
+Y'know, some of the Nordstream explosions happened real fuckin' close to a power cable running between Sweden and Poland. I wonder if that was a test.
+--- 57905559
+Remember how when the war started everyone was freaking out about Russia's ability so sabotage? Remember how absolutely nothing came of it because their entire staff is yesmen who actually suck at their job?
+--- 57905567
+>>57904648
+This, not even a waring shot just shot them until there's nothing left of them.
+--- 57905707
+>>57905534
+>Ah, so
+>Y'know
+>fuckin'
+I can smell the soi through my screen.
+--- 57905735
+>>57905707
+Mad because bad
+--- 57905753
+>>57905735
+Cope.
+--- 57905915
+>>57905753
+Mad because bad
+--- 57906026
+>>57905915
+Cope.
+--- 57906724
+>>57904772
+Maybe they were targeting a firm they knew had fucked up and were using awful encryption for "internal communications" across the pond
+--- 57906823
+>>57904642 (OP)
+>BREAKING NEWS! Russia will attack our infrastructure if war breaks out!
+i hate yle so goddamn much
+--- 57906860
+>>57904642 (OP)
+Imagine the outrage if they killed the internet. Half a billing screaming Twitterati calling for jihad and the heads of every living R*ssian.
+--- 57906877
+>>57904714
+>In most countries it's still illegal to kill russians.
+They have not been tested for disease yet so cannot be eaten, even for sport. The carcass must be burned.
+--- 57907081
+>>57904642 (OP)
+>in case of war with NATO
+Russia fucking knows that NATO is no threat to it. Otherwise they wouldn't have stripped the NATO border to push more shit into Ukraine
+--- 57907136
+>>57906860
+>R*ssian
+you are a worthless retard
+--- 57907210
+Sounds like they need to start sinking Russian naval ships that are near internet lines and not care for the lives of those onboard.
+--- 57907250
+>>57905416
+>calls others obsessed
+>brings up reddit out of nowhere
+--- 57907330
+>>57904642 (OP)
+And nothing you lgbt faggots can do about it.
+No one will fight for you nonces, in fact when we get forced to fight for globohomo! You are all dead in the suburbs!
+Civil servants / police are out numbered thousands to one.
+When it kicks off in the suburbs it's over.
+--- 57907415
+>>57905308
+Force majeure is a convenient excuse not to deliver gas which would otherwise be a breach of contract.
+--- 57907792
+>>57907250
+>brings up USA out of nowhere
+>>i-i-i'm not obsessed, le you are!!!!!!!
+kys retard
+--- 57907982
+>>57907136
+at least I'm not r*ssian :^)
+--- 57908180
+>>57904714
+I propose a new amendment to the constitutions of euro countries
+>An unregulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to kill russians, shall not be infringed.
+--- 57908222
+>>57905308
+Man, I'm a fucking ESL and even I find this post atrocious. Don't they give you clowns any training?
+--- 57908245
+>>57904714
+That's unacceptable. I'm calling my senator.
+--- 57908281
+>>57904714
+Tragic, isn't it?
+--- 57908591
+>>57904714
+NGMI
+--- 57908739
+>>57904642 (OP)
+Thats ofof!
+--- 57911059
+>>57904656
+Because the US is the only one that can actually do anything about it on our own and Russia bombing Europe's gas pipes and absolutely fucking them would be a happy ending for the US since it'd likely end Europe as a potential ally of China, or at least mean we can ignore the Atlantic side of our border for a bit. From an economic pov this means a number of companies likely moving production to the US. In a situation where basically the only nation China can rely on to back it up militarily or economically is India due to not really being effected by Europe (still some economic effects) or Russia (still some military effects due to where they source a lot of weapons from) China is basically going to have to solo the US which is never going to happen.... well the US will have Japan and Australia at minimum, Taiwan as well though they'll be stuck on the defense the entire time SK could go either way but might just sit it out to avoid NK artying the shit out of Seoul.
+--- 57911096
+>>57904642 (OP)
+How isn't it act of war then? Blow up the cables, trigger article 5. Very easy?
+--- 57911112
+>>57904746
+>people will be talking about mushroom clouds/nukes/explosions in capital cities and every Russian bot account will be saying Helsinki is completely gone/captured
+Very dangerous move to do if russia doesn't want to get glassed.
+--- 57911397
+>>57904804
+There was a good BBC 4 radio programme about this, although they were looking at Singaporean adoption of the Swedish doctrine.
+https://www.mindef.gov.sg/oms/imindef/mindef_websites/topics/totaldefence/about.html
+--- 57911425
+>>57904804
+>if said in the US
+Almost as if they are saying a well regulated militia might be of some vague benefit to the security of a free state. Just a thought.
+--- 57912369
+>>57904642 (OP)
+they wouldn't have time to sabotage anything, NATO would rock the russian military within a week

k/57904709.txt

@@ -0,0 +1,570 @@
+-----
+--- 57904709
+DO NOT REDEEM
+--- 57904737
+>>57904709 (OP)
+They... they copied this from Perun's video, didn't they?
+--- 57904898
+>>57904737
+I doubt its a straight copy, they just draw from similar sources and are bringing it up because the topic has recently become more relevant.
+Alternatively: Perun himself is a five eyes asset acting as part of a coordinated scheme to inoculate the public against russian disinformation by informing them of the methods and tactics it uses
+--- 57904906
+It's happening
+
+https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/04/19/7398524/
+--- 57904929
+>>57904906
+nice.
+or is she just talking about the bakmut reinforcements?
+--- 57904977
+>>57904709 (OP)
+words
+--- 57905089
+>>57904906
+Doubt. Mud is still in effect.
+Unless by "start" they mean grouping, prepping supplies etc.
+--- 57905158
+>>57904906
+Butanov's assertions were more interesting.
+
+Like, that's a very bold claim my dude.
+--- 57905163
+>>57905089
+She's using politician talk to say as much.
+--- 57905284
+>>57905259
+--- 57905294
+>>57905265
+--- 57905333
+>>57905328
+Who's "we" exactly? You and your glavset discord?
+--- 57905339
+>>57905328
+It's the first time padjeets and third world shills have been called out. And it's war related
+--- 57905347
+>>57905333
+Wasted trips.
+>>57905339
+If you read the sticky, it has to be weapons related. War is not mentioned at all, ESL.
+--- 57905360
+>>57905347
+You reek of curry. This bong o clock is dedicated to you
+--- 57905361
+>>57905339
+It's war related in the same way that Russians no longer have mcdonalds. It's not weapons. Everyone already know that Russia uses disinformation. This thread is retarded and so are you for thinking it's some kind of revelation.
+--- 57905366
+>>57904709 (OP)
+And they needed more than a year to realize that ?
+--- 57905374
+>>57905361
+Gooood moooooorning sirrsss
+--- 57905375
+>>57905361
+We’ll keep having them as long as you keep shitting the board up with your existence
+--- 57905377
+>>57905374
+I'm literally an American in Ukraine.
+--- 57905383
+>>57905360
+>>57905374
+Post a firearm. Post a white hand.
+--- 57905388
+>>57905375
+Bro you haven't been here longer than a year.
+--- 57905394
+Gotta love how updates from a single country's Ministry of Defense cause so much seething here.
+Anyway who's got the decoder ring for this one? I tried it but it just said to remember to drink my Ovaltine.
+--- 57905404
+>>57905383
+--- 57905407
+>>57905394
+Go back to r3ddit Ralphie.
+--- 57905419
+>>57905394
+>wow these war tourists aren't even talking about the war anymore, this post is about Russian troll farms (as if that's some novel revelation)
+>WOW SO MUCH SEETHE GET PWNED VATNIGS
+crossboarders get the rope. Back to /pol/ with you.
+--- 57905420
+>>57905407
+No, now what?
+--- 57905432
+>>57905388
+Ok and?
+--- 57905438
+>>57905404
+>no date/time
+>serials 
+Embarrassing
+--- 57905442
+>>57905404
+>>57905383
+Where's your gun Padjeet?
+--- 57905445
+>>57905404
+>no timestamp
+Discarded.
+--- 57905459
+>inb4 mass reply
+--- 57905464
+>>57905438
+--- 57905471
+Partial translation from bong. Someone else will need to finish
+--- 57905473
+>thread is now going to be an example of what the bongs meant
+Kek
+--- 57905476
+>>57905442
+--- 57905499
+>>57905493
+>I was only pretending to be retarded
+A tale as old as time.
+--- 57905504
+>>57905493
+Indeed. This is a weapons board after all. I shit on padjeets but more on west men indoctrinated by Puccian propaganda
+--- 57905520
+>>57904709 (OP)
+Who has done that for them?
+
+Pic unrelated. Just thinking about how he revealed that the real leak documents show Ukraine taking 7:1 losses and US ground forces being directly involved in combat with, and losing to Russians. Quite the cover up!
+--- 57905528
+>>57905328
+>>57905347
+It's kinda showing how these posts are non existent in the prorussian threads.
+--- 57905536
+>>57905520
+Isn’t Russia themselves claiming they’re fake now?
+--- 57905544
+>>57905528
+Because the vatnig threads get (justifiably) sniped almost instantly. Now if we could just shoo the rest of you crossposters back to /pol/, then the board might be usable again.
+--- 57905547
+>>57905527
+But I don't have a reddit account nor these weapons are posted in reddit either. Now give me a time stamp now
+--- 57905548
+>>57905527
+>I'm just pretending to be retarded
+--- 57905561
+>>57905553
+I don't like being challenged. Where's the time stamp?
+--- 57905578
+>>57905570
+>noguns cope
+btw I succesfully derailed your thread. Enjoy, faggot.
+--- 57905583
+>>57905544
+>sniped almost instantly.
+I wish. Doesn't change the fact they are still missing in the 300+ post provatnik threads and it's blatant at this point after over a year.
+--- 57905585
+Every time i see someone to actually capitulate to "post hands gun timestamp" i think to myself how buckbroken said poster has to be in order to convince someone that they arent a pajeet.
+Somehow its even more cringe than tripfagging.
+--- 57905603
+>>57905570
+No time stamp vatnik Kun?
+--- 57905604
+>>57904709 (OP)
+No wonder shitters want to bury this and Perun's video. They're giving away the tactics used on this very board, or indeed, this very THREAD.
+--- 57905619
+>>57905595
+Ok so no time stamp and no guns. Got it.
+--- 57905621
+>>57905603
+No, it’s kinda just silly you keep it up though, I’m sure you’ll...uh fuck I dunno honestly, feel smugger? Russia will still suck dicks at war though lol
+--- 57905626
+>>57905619
+Nope! Ya got me, now uh...n
+--- 57905631
+>>57905585
+It’s kinda sad honestly, he just keeps going
+--- 57905640
+>>57905621
+All in good fun anon, all in good fun
+--- 57905644
+>>57905504
+Lmao baste
+--- 57905648
+>>57905634
+Ok, Russia is still AIDS capital of the planet and bad at war.
+--- 57905659
+>>57905648
+That's perfectly fine. Russoids are vile creatures. Just make sure you take them all with you on your way back to your home board.
+>>>/pol/
+--- 57905661
+>>57905659
+No I’ll stay here, now what?
+--- 57905668
+>>57905661
+Well I'm gonna keep shitting up your stupid off topic threads until the jannies prune them. Now what?
+--- 57905677
+>>57905659
+So I posted all those time stamps so you could try to derail? Go back nonguns chugger
+--- 57905678
+>>57905668
+Nothing, your a single person in one thread, you’ll get bored and move on just as much as I will.
+--- 57905682
+>>57904709 (OP)
+--- 57905685
+>>57905682
+Classic
+--- 57905694
+>>57905668
+good luck, i've heard the russians offered the jannies double their salary to look the other way
+--- 57905700
+>>57905677
+This is me: >>57905476
+You were replying to some other troll this whole time.
+>>57905678
+>poor English
+>still seething replies
+I'll take my (You)'s where I can get them.
+--- 57905715
+>>57905700
+No one cares anon, it’s anonymous board, your identity means less than nothing
+--- 57905722
+>>57905715
+>no one cares anon
+>still replying
+--- 57905730
+>jeets mad
+
+Country flags when?? You turd worlders simping for russia are sad sack cunts and should fuck off
+--- 57905741
+>>57905730
+If you want flags so bad, go back to /pol/ you dumb eurotrash animal.
+--- 57905749
+>>57905715
+I will care for your identity if you post some guns or kindly go back to /pol/
+--- 57905750
+>thread literally just became what the brits were saying they do 
+Lmao thank you for the example I guess, you’re eternal ass pain will live as an example to others
+--- 57905752
+strange message...
+--- 57905759
+>>57905749
+No I’ll just respond in a mildly mocking fashion
+--- 57905763
+>>57905752
+Decoding, exactly what this thread needed
+--- 57905777
+>>57905752
+--- 57905779
+>>57905752
+>dookie
+Majestic
+--- 57905783
+>>57905750
+I posted a timestamped gun. I proved I'm not some vatnik/pajeet troll farm employee. What's your new cope?
+>>57905752
+>>57905763
+>le ebin funny meme
+It's been 419 days. This shit was barely funny when it first appeared, and now it's stale and old. Take it to your hilarious /pol/ humor threads.
+--- 57905786
+Ah yes, the offensive of the twitter front. Gotta get those reddit upvotes. Glad to hear the war is going well.
+--- 57905797
+>>57905790
+Now what?
+--- 57905799
+>>57905752
+Can someone explain how the process for making these works? I have autism and cannot comprehend the nonlinearity involved even though I'm incredibly creative in other ways. Especially the ones where there are few deletions are extremely impressive to me
+--- 57905807
+>>57905799
+Just try to find funny words and phrases by removing text
+--- 57905824
+>>57904709 (OP)
+>thread about russian disinformation
+>instantly gets flooded with off topic posts and inane shitflinging to derail it
+Curious innit?
+
+>>57904737
+Lel, had the same thought.
+--- 57905825
+>>57905807
+Is it a left to right thing with skipping? When i try I get cucked by combinatorial explosion
+--- 57905829
+>>57905825
+It can be whatever you want
+--- 57905835
+>>57905824
+>thread about off topic horseshit
+>instantly gets flooded with turdworld crossposters
+Curious innit?
+--- 57905836
+>>57905824
+They have the self awareness of trees and self control of violent alcoholics
+--- 57905877
+REMINDER TO ALL PUCCIAN SHILLS!!!!
+
+The USA could take on the entirety of the CSTO and BRICS without any direct military intervention from its own Allies/partners/NATO (though economic support, intelligence sharing, etc. would happen nonetheless so there’s no sense pretending the USA wouldn’t have it) and win… HANDILY. 
+But the thing is, we wouldn’t have to go it alone. The USA has many defense partners for a reason lol.
+
+Now for some fun facts:
+(2021 GDP to follow, in USD)
+GDP of China: 17.73 Trillion
+GDP of all other BRICS nations (BRIS): 7 Trillion
+GDP of CSTO: 2.075 Trillion (includes Puccia)
+GDP of CSTO - Puccia: 296.46 Billion
+GDP of America: 23.33 Trillion
+GDP of Japan: 4.941 Trillion
+GDP of SK: 1.811 Trillion
+GDP of NATO: a fuck ton holy shit
+GDP of the EU: 17.177 Trillion
+GDP of Five Eyes: 30.25 Trillion
+(Not bothering to do the math of subtracting USA from 5eyes or NATO lol, do it yourself vatnig, same for UK and Canada for 5is)
+The USA will bury any adversary militarily, economically, and politically.
+No amount of disinfo, dedollarisation cope, shilling, or seething will change that FACT
+Browns lost
+Turd world lost
+Puccia lost
+China lost
+Tankie lost
+Russia is lost
+Commies lost
+OPEC lost
+Iran lost
+--- 57905891
+>>57905877
+>Now for some fun facts:
+You're not American. You don't own guns. You haven't been on /k/ for more than 2 years.
+Cope, seethe, etc. I'm not reading all that.
+--- 57905897
+>>57905891
+You can’t do anything
+--- 57905910
+>>57905897
+Neither can your irrelevant turd world country.
+>>57905903
+Go back.
+--- 57905917
+>>57905903
+Go back then, a third worldieless /k/ is a healthy board
+--- 57905927
+You newfrens are trying way too hard to fit in.
+--- 57905930
+>>57904709 (OP)
+so the typical john mc fry from ohio oblast?
+you find a poster like him in every thread complaining that "his"taxes are going towards some money laundering operation instead of fixing the roads of "his"country.that kind of poster usually posts his faggot image folder once he loses the argument. I guess even the bongs have noticed it.
+--- 57905941
+>>57905910
+No
+--- 57905945
+>>57905927
+I have been here significantly longer than you, I can assure you of that.
+>>57905930
+So what if I'm actually an American that's sick of hearing about stupid third worlders and their stupid third world issues? Am I still a vatnig shill if I want both sides to burn to the ground?
+>>57905941
+Then stop whining homo.
+--- 57905985
+>muh both sides
+post your folder and leave.
+--- 57906000
+>>57905985
+>consneeding
+I accept, don't worry. Shoo shoo now.
+--- 57906006
+>>57905945
+Is that you John Oblast?
+--- 57906032
+Remember
+
+
+Knowledge is the ultimate power.
+
+Information is the ultimate weapon.
+
+The mind is the battlefield.
+--- 57906034
+>>57906006
+>everyone I disagree with is a Russian shill
+Anon from Virginia Oblast here. I agree with the above poster.
+--- 57906051
+>>57905891
+I am American
+I own a Mossberg 590
+I started browsing /k/ in winter of 2014
+kys faggot :^)
+--- 57906067
+>>57906051
+>I am not American since I have no proof of it
+>I own no guns
+>I am a clankening fag (still better than the current crossposters I'll give you that)
+kys faggot :^)
+--- 57906090
+>>57906034
+Isn't your state constitutional carry? Why you got a permit?
+--- 57906104
+>>57906090
+No, we have permitless open carry though. You need a permit statewide for concealed carry. Plus, the permit make you immune to handgun magazine capacity limits.
+--- 57906105
+>>57905824
+Yeah, happens really every time, it's a real touchy topic for them. There were probably some alarms going off in some discords and telegram groups to create a quick reaction force.
+--- 57906165
+>>57906067
+Could’t bring my gun with me in my PCS to Korea :(
+Feels badman. Keep seething and sneeding though
+--- 57906169
+>>57905835
+>keep bumping the thread so more people see the op anyway
+great stratagem
+--- 57906197
+>>57906165
+Forgot pic
+--- 57906201
+>>57906034
+Why did you deleted your idiocy Erid Eno from Hampshire?
+--- 57906213
+>>57906201
+Rude to dox him even if he is a 5’10” manlet (lol!)
+--- 57906247
+>>57904977
+>>57905471
+breddy gud :DDDDDD
+keeb it up lads :D
+
+>>57905750
+HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
+well fugg :D
+brilliant
+--- 57906251
+>>57906197
+why are you posting this dude? at least convert + crop the image and rename it
+--- 57906258
+>>57906213
+I posted my guns with a time stamp, but I didn't do something as retarded as posting my concealed license with a badly shopped name, height and stature. Not my fault he's retarded
+--- 57906294
+>>57905404
+I don’t think anyone has replied to appreciate just how white your hand looks. A lot of /pol/ posters are pretty ruddy skinned, but that is a strong white man’s hand right there. Not to be weird or anything. Stay based anon
+--- 57906308
+>>57906251
+>why are you posting this?
+Read the reply chain?
+>crop and convert
+Why?
+--- 57906340
+The Perun thread yesterday wasn’t ads full of thirdie cope and seethe as this one lol. The ratniks and their troll farms are really seething over the call outs huh?
+--- 57906535
+>>57905585
+You are just fucking pathetic in your defensiveness really
+>"uh oh actually backing up what they said? b-b-buckbr-br-broken..."
+Enlist vatnik
+--- 57906603
+What's the tactical advantage of dying for a monkey?
+--- 57906638
+>>57905520
+>Pic unrelated. Just thinking about how he revealed that the real leak documents show Ukraine taking 7:1 losses and US ground forces being directly involved in combat with, and losing to Russians. Quite the cover up!
+wth are you talking about
+--- 57906668
+>>57905783
+May I suggest waking up on the other side of your bed tomorrow, because the one you chose today seems to have been the wrong choice.
+--- 57906694
+>>57905824
+>>57906105
+We are fortunate that >>57905835 and Anons like him are so fucking stupid, because people with more subtly than half a brick with a note glued to it crashing through your living room window may have actually been able to achieve something.
+--- 57906727
+>>57906578
+In an interview he says he wanted to see tourism in shitholes to see the effect of sanctions, which doesn't really effect people. He doesn't support Russia's invasions he just doesn't like how the West is going "all in" on Russia bad.
+--- 57906919
+>>57905504
+Damn wtf is that handwriting? Looks soo bad it's like you wrote that with your left foot.
+--- 57906974
+>>57906105
+explains the double posting of "le friendly reminder"within less than 60s.they were rushing into the thread.
+--- 57906987
+>>57905730
+Unironically /k/ and /biz/ need flags so bad it’s unreal. Fuck India and fuck Indians. At the bare minimum we need post ids on /k/
+--- 57907017
+>>57906974
+Kek, I wish mods let those threads stay up, since vatnigger shills get BTFO in them almost instantly
+--- 57907593
+>>57906919
+Then can I assume that now you will post your hands with a time stamp with more eloquently done hand writing? I'll be waiting
+--- 57907611
+>>57905694
+>double their salary
+Wait a minute...
+--- 57907628
+>>57907593
+Here's one more for handwriting comparison
+--- 57907633
+>>57905294
+--- 57907764
+>>57905547
+>the vatnik owns a russiaboo gun
+Pottery
+--- 57907817
+>>57907764
+Are you mentally ill? It's a bulgy SBR build with zenitco furniture which I had owned since 2018. Now kindly post guns
+--- 57908832
+>>57905752
+Lost my shit at
+>d o o k i e
+--- 57909097
+>>57905694
+>russians offered the jannies double their salary
+...in Rubles. So that's like not getting paid at all.
+
+(odd side note: The Captcha is "TAXPJS"....which I think is a bad idea. Pajamas should be duty free. Even the comfy flannel ones.)
+--- 57909114
+>>57907764
+>vatnik
+man you must suck at reading comprehension
+--- 57909216
+>>57905945
+>Am I still a vatnig shill if I want both sides to burn to the ground?
+Yes.
+There is more here at stake than your fucking fee fees you isolationist halfwit.
+Besides, we have the opportunity to finally rid human civilization of a cancer that has been terrorizing us for more than three generations; and you have cold feet about it....because.....
+...yeah, that's a good question.
+Are a gullible shitwit or are you an accelerationist doomfag who needs to eat a hot load of hollowpoint?
+--- 57909418
+another partial decoding
+--- 57910116
+>>57909418
+--- 57910179
+>>57905783
+>I proved I'm a 5th column useful idot.
+--- 57910222
+>>57905945
+>Am I still a vatnig shill
+You are an useful idiot, even vatnig shills spit on you, they at least have more reason to spread their bullshit. The KGB literally called people like you shiteater, that's how much respect they had for someone like you. Make no mistake no one likes people like you, for your own you are a traitor, for the russians you are gullible idiot that's only worth is to be exploited and used.
+--- 57910234
+>>57907764
+Stupid or trolling?
+--- 57910796
+>>57905404
+Now use it on yourself
+--- 57912017
+>>57904709 (OP)
+If they could provide concrete examples instead of this vague horseshit it would be a bit more convincing. 
+Wow, russia is probably using propaganda during a war, truly enlightening.
+--- 57912041
+>>57912017
+Anon they’ve been doing it for decades, anyone that matters knows what they mean
+--- 57912332
+>>57904906
+They probably mean they are preparing for it and that they're imminent. As stated before it just snowed relative recently and everything is still muddy.
+--- 57913523
+>>57910116
+the legendary rat-ration
+--- 57913554
+>>57912017
+They can provide credible examples though? Fuck, anyone from /k/ who’s been here more than five minutes could post this or that Vatnik rag claiming 200% of HIMARS have been destroyed, 33% damaged, 10% sold on the black market, and 5% not working upon receipt. Same for every piece of western tech that’s been sent. It’s nonstop lies and disinfo… but you know that don’t you, since you’re just pretending to be regarded. Argument via feigned incredulity is one of the most common disinfo tactics
+--- 57914393
+>>57905945
+> So what if I'm actually an American that's sick of hearing about stupid third worlders and their stupid third world issues?
+Then you’ve been properly demoralized and depressed by your Russian handlers. Good cuck! 
+>Am I still a vatnig shill if I want both sides to burn to the ground
+Yes 100%. You’re a cancerous loser nigger and you should go make a vk account and learn Russian. You have le enlightened centrist “both sides” reflexively conditioned attitude because then it allows the belligerent people that want you to die to do whatever they want to get closer to achieving that goal. 
+
+Russia is and has been at war against you personally since 2014. Their foundations of geopolitics master plan since the 60s has been to subvert democracies by subverting the minds of the people in them, which is allegedly you. 
+
+Your entire mindset has been conditioned by foreigners that want you to kill yourself and hey nobody is stopping you kiddo.
+--- 57914419
+>>57912017
+The irony is that there’s a very good chance that this post is, in itself, an example of what they’re talking about. 
+
+You are interacting with Russian shills and posting in threads OPed by Russian shills every day you’re here. You’re probably a Reddit fag too so you’re likely regularly engaging and interacting with posts made by Russian shills in subreddits moderated by them. 
+
+Like there are probably at least 10 threads on the catalog right now that someone was paid idk $.11 to post or something. 
+
+Random like The Hindustan Post articles with the source cut off saying that Ukraine is suffering from something right after it had just been reported Russia was dealing with it = a pretty concrete example bru, and you see them every day.
+--- 57914510
+>>57912332
+Apparently theyve actually started down south, pushed the russians off some frontline positions around zaporizhia