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But there is was some intimation that it would go externally as well.
Right .
Right.
I, I can't comment on that Terry that is not something
Well
that Keith's
right.
Okay.
But he certainly didn't suggest that.
No.
A a a and that's gonna cause him all sorts of admin type er
Specification problems.
Yes.
well specification and training I mean what's he gonna do about getting people
P P T S
on the track?
That, that's not my understanding
I don't think that's
at the moment.
No.
Okay.
Now I think as a management team we need to think about what our strategy, our tactics are gonna be with regard to this.
Erm because if we look at our experiences with Crossrail, if you d w what do we do?
Do we go in low?
No.
And then, and then, then try and get money on the
If I was tender if, if
go in?
But .
No.
But if, if our fee bids, that have been going in so far, are there or thereabouts and having monitored reports for quite a while, tendencies and yes some are under and some are a bit over but in general they're not th they're not that far out.
Then we've gotta, we've gotta continue to tender on that same footing.
We can't buy every job.
But a w a word
a word of er caution
here is it's, it's er, er
a bad scene that it's only gonna be on certain jobs.
If I can just quote our experience er on this, erm
we, I was able to compare our costs for design at Hounslow just er in the, just er south of Rug Rugby.
Mhm.
Birmingham quoted six thousand.
We actually did the job for just under five.
Er that wasn't er on competition though,th that was er an Intercity job which Birmingham said they could do it for that figure.
Mm.
Where we've been doing comparable work on er the Kings Cross Project, we wer we told by the old project team that we were very much cheaper than Birmingham.
And better but that was another story.
When we actually went to competitive tender, which was for a route improvement down near Leicester, they undercut us.
The w we put in what we thought was a completely fair er, er quotation for what we were doing.
Bearing in mind we have the more difficult travelling but they undercut us.
And my suspicion is they put in a selectively low bid on that particular job.
Erm we also lost out on permanent way standard drawings against the Glasgow office who were desperate for work.
Mm.
They put in th er a cheap price.
They got the entire work.
They ran out of money, and they've had to be supplemented since to get the job finished.
S so they were
That's why it's precisely
they were
.
Thank you for that .
But on that Leic th th the Leicester job that you l erm
The line?
Yeah.
You'd adopted the same philosophy of pricing that.
You ha because you suddenly realized you were
price sensibly.
in competitive tender you didn't change your philosophy?
Yeah.
I think you've got to price sensibly.
I, I, I did not.
Er, er w we costed out the
job how we were going to do it our normal procedure.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Mm.
The only thing I didn't have control of w were the rates we're charging.
I mean
Mm.
purely departmentally I
Mm.
could have t have knocked about twenty percent off my rates and still got them even.
Which incidentally would have been enough to get the job.
Yeah.
Er
Yeah.
but erm beware.
It it's a bad scene when it's i if, if it's universal, if they, if they're put in bids eventually they'll bankrupt themselves.
But when it's selective
and they've got a whole market to go
Mm.
back on, erm
They're in a .
my experience is they, they, they put in artificially low bids.
Be because they're owned by Regional Railways and Re i if they lose money Regional Railways will .
But why aren't Intercity asking Birmingham to tender against us for Intercity jobs?
Don't even think about it.
L let, let it
Yeah.
We don't want to work hard.
th that I've thought about very seriously but, but Terry, think about this.

But there is was some intimation that it would go externally as well.

Right .

Right.

I, I can't comment on that Terry that is not something

Well

that Keith's

right.

Okay.

But he certainly didn't suggest that.

No.

A a a and that's gonna cause him all sorts of admin type er

Specification problems.

Yes.

well specification and training I mean what's he gonna do about getting people

P P T S

on the track?

That, that's not my understanding

I don't think that's

at the moment.

No.

Okay.

Now I think as a management team we need to think about what our strategy, our tactics are gonna be with regard to this.

Erm because if we look at our experiences with Crossrail, if you d w what do we do?

Do we go in low?

No.

And then, and then, then try and get money on the

If I was tender if, if

go in?

But .

No.

But if, if our fee bids, that have been going in so far, are there or thereabouts and having monitored reports for quite a while, tendencies and yes some are under and some are a bit over but in general they're not th they're not that far out.

Then we've gotta, we've gotta continue to tender on that same footing.

We can't buy every job.

But a w a word

a word of er caution

here is it's, it's er, er

a bad scene that it's only gonna be on certain jobs.

If I can just quote our experience er on this, erm

we, I was able to compare our costs for design at Hounslow just er in the, just er south of Rug Rugby.

Mhm.

Birmingham quoted six thousand.

We actually did the job for just under five.

Er that wasn't er on competition though,th that was er an Intercity job which Birmingham said they could do it for that figure.

Mm.

Where we've been doing comparable work on er the Kings Cross Project, we wer we told by the old project team that we were very much cheaper than Birmingham.

And better but that was another story.

When we actually went to competitive tender, which was for a route improvement down near Leicester, they undercut us.

The w we put in what we thought was a completely fair er, er quotation for what we were doing.

Bearing in mind we have the more difficult travelling but they undercut us.

And my suspicion is they put in a selectively low bid on that particular job.

Erm we also lost out on permanent way standard drawings against the Glasgow office who were desperate for work.

Mm.

They put in th er a cheap price.

They got the entire work.

They ran out of money, and they've had to be supplemented since to get the job finished.

S so they were

That's why it's precisely

they were

.

Thank you for that .

But on that Leic th th the Leicester job that you l erm

The line?

Yeah.

You'd adopted the same philosophy of pricing that.

You ha because you suddenly realized you were

price sensibly.

in competitive tender you didn't change your philosophy?

Yeah.

I think you've got to price sensibly.

I, I, I did not.

Er, er w we costed out the

job how we were going to do it our normal procedure.

Yeah.

Mm.

The only thing I didn't have control of w were the rates we're charging.

I mean

Mm.

purely departmentally I

Mm.

could have t have knocked about twenty percent off my rates and still got them even.

Which incidentally would have been enough to get the job.

Yeah.

Er

Yeah.

but erm beware.

It it's a bad scene when it's i if, if it's universal, if they, if they're put in bids eventually they'll bankrupt themselves.

But when it's selective

and they've got a whole market to go

Mm.

back on, erm

They're in a .

my experience is they, they, they put in artificially low bids.

Be because they're owned by Regional Railways and Re i if they lose money Regional Railways will .

But why aren't Intercity asking Birmingham to tender against us for Intercity jobs?

Don't even think about it.

L let, let it

Yeah.

We don't want to work hard.

th that I've thought about very seriously but, but Terry, think about this.